> Salvete Flavia Scholastica et Gai Hadriane!
>
> Thank you for the link which I shall check out. Sounds great to me.
>
> Regards,
>
> QLP
>

>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
> <c.minucius.hadrianus@n...> wrote:
>> Salvete,
>>
>> I purchased an excellent red samian ware bowl from Julia at Roman
> Market
>> Days which I use as my patera. I highly recommend her products. I
> plan
>> on ordering some more items from her soon. Her studio's website is
> at:
>> http://venetiancat.com/
>>
>> Valete bene,
>>
>> Hadrianus
>>
>>
>> Flavia Scholastica wrote:
>>
>>> Salve, Quinte Lani Pauline, et salvete, omnes!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Salvete omnes,
>>>>
>>>> I remember about a year ago one of our lady citizens was going
> to make
>>>> some replica Ancient Roman dishes and utensils that we could
> order. I
>>>> don't see anything in the marcellum yet so I am wondering if she
> is
>>>> still around or has her own site with these items.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Could you possibly mean Julia Passamonti of Venetian Cat
> pottery? She
>>> comes to the eastern U.S. reenactment events, and has quite a
> batterie de
>>> cuisine. I have a nice poculum from her, as do many of our Eastern
>>> reenactors. There is also a glassblower who attended this year.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Vale, et valete,
>>>
>>> A. Tullia Scholastica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------

> alone... :-(
> But the most exciting day was the last Sunday, the Dies ROmanus.

> in Villa Panphjli and the Provincia Italia organized a special

> Wine with "cocomero", lunch, visit to a temple and a full

> discussions about NR and its Provinciae. Cato had a wonderful

> reconstruction of a Contio with call of the citizens, pray and

> We talked about the main list, the services offered by Nr, etc.

> experiment was great!
>
> So, your Consul have to go at the restaurant, he need to eat ;-)
>
> Tomorrow averybody will leave Rome with the wonderful images of

> Eternal City in the own mind.
>
> P.S.: the photod coming as soon as possible
>
> Salvete Omnes
>
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
> Senior Consul

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Salve Caesar;
> I am crying from the most terrible envy!!! It sounds so
> fabulous and I admire so many of our cives coming from everywhere -

> the U.S. Japan!, Austria, Romania, It's an inspiration to us all.
> Save up Romans;-
> . And the great visits, oh how I would sell my soul to have some
> wine with you and visit the Domus Aurea:)
>
> My congratulations to Senator Serapio, for putting so much effort
> into making Nova Roma the wonderful real organization we dreamed
> about. bene vale in pacem deorum
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>
>
>
> Unlucly I arrived later and I visited the Domus Aurea
> > alone... :-(
> > But the most exciting day was the last Sunday, the Dies ROmanus.
> It was
> > in Villa Panphjli and the Provincia Italia organized a special
> meerint.
> > Wine with "cocomero", lunch, visit to a temple and a full
> afternoon of
> > discussions about NR and its Provinciae. Cato had a wonderful
> idea, the
> > reconstruction of a Contio with call of the citizens, pray and
> forum.
> > We talked about the main list, the services offered by Nr, etc.
> The
> > experiment was great!
> >
> > So, your Consul have to go at the restaurant, he need to eat ;-)
> >
> > Tomorrow averybody will leave Rome with the wonderful images of
> the
> > Eternal City in the own mind.
> >
> > P.S.: the photod coming as soon as possible
> >
> > Salvete Omnes
> >
> > Fr. Apulus Caesar
> > Senior Consul

>Salvete
>
>You're not the only one, Maior, because I feel really unhappy for
>not being there. I know there are about 10 hispanici enjoying of the
>roman hospitality from our citizens of Italia... and having a great
>time seeing the wonders of the Caput Mundi. And I'm here, working...
>
>Well, I hope posts soon will be floading the lists, telling us
>about. By the way, what was the funny thing about Astur? "A funny
>thing happened in the way to the Forum"? :-P
>
>vale,
>
>L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
>HISPANIA
>
>PS: Pictures, pictures!!! :-D

> SALVETE, QUIRITES!
>
> I have to write today about my best movie-hero, Leo
> Genn, because his activity was close to our common
> passion (starring in many films about ancient Rome,
> e.g. QUO VADIS); and because I can partly thank him
> that I am here in Nova Roma and the Propraetor of
> Pannonia.
>
> The 100th Anniversary of the birth of Leo Genn is
> today, on 9th August 2005. We who love Leo must
> commemorate him especially in this singular day when
> he was burn 100 years ago.
>
> If you are curious to know more this great actor,
> today I have created a new Leo Genn Centenary Website:
> I wellcome everybody visiting this website (this is
> under construction but I hope it's usefull):
>
> http://www.leogenn100.iweb.hu/
>
> I can thank Leo Genn for many things wich changed my
> life. When I saw "Quo Vadis?" Leo Genn played
> Petronius in (then I was 12) I was amazed his very
> Roman character, his elegant style. Through the act of
> Leo Genn and Sir Peter Ustinov I was enchanted by the
> world of the ancient Rome, and go on, by the classical
> literature, arts, history etc. I begun study Latin and
> Greek, then I became a university student of classical
> Greek and Roman studies. The most part of my life and
> of my activities are dedicated to the classical
> studies, the Roman culture: all that was started by
> Leo Genn's amazing performance in the "Quo Vadis". So
> I wouldn't be who I am if Leo Genn wasn't who he was.
>
> I hope Leo Genn will be more estimated one day, and
> there will be allways people Leo Genn can enchant for
> the eternal human values and the True Art.
>
> In these Latin sentences I would like to express my
> thankfullness to the great and genious actor, Leo
> Genn, who was born 100 years ago today, and I will
> pray his genius to call in more and more people for
> the classical humanity and for our Rome:
>
> CN. CORNELIUS LENTULUS PANNONICUS GRATIAS MAXIMAS AGIT
> DIVO LEONI GENNIO ACTORI, NATO HODIE ANTE 100 ANNOS,
> PRAECIPUO VIRO BRITANNICO, QUI PETRONIUS IN FILMO "QUO
> VADIS?" EUM EXCITAVIT, UT ROMAM ET POPULUM ROMANUM
> REFICI VELLE COEPISSET. EGO NON IS ESSEM, QUI SUM; SI
> TU NON IS FUISSES, QUI FUISTI. QUARE TIBI, DIVE LEO
> GENNI ACTOR, EGO AC POPULUS ROMANUS SAEPE SEMPERQUE
> GRATIAS AGERE DEBEBIMUS AGIMUSQUE. VIVAT GLORIA TUA
> SEMPER!
>
> Ante diem V. Idus Augustas MMDCCLVIII
>
> Cn Cornelius Lentulus pius
> Propraetor Pannoniae
> Accensus
> Scriba
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________
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>>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"

> wife of Otho was positively scary (Betty Davis eyes)....great
> actress (don't know who she is/was) playing a lady with alot of
> power, who doubtless frightened alot of people in her day.<<

> Salvete Omnes.
>
> >>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
> <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:
>
> ....Poppeia Sabina , the wife of Nero and former
> > wife of Otho was positively scary (Betty Davis eyes)....great
> > actress (don't know who she is/was) playing a lady with alot of
> > power, who doubtless frightened alot of people in her day.<<
>
> Patricia Laffan, born in London, 1919 and, aparently, still living.
>
> Here are those eyes, albeit from her title role in "Devil Girl

> Mars" 3 years after "Quo Vadis?":
>
> http://actress.shillpages.com/actress/laffap24.jpg
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Gaius Popillius Laenas

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Kelly
To: NOVAROMACANADAOCCIDENTALIS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:13 PM
Subject: Ecology In The Roman Empire


Salvete omnes,

I used to imagine that the world of the Roman Empire was heavily forested; especially in Northern Europe with expanses of great dark forests between towns and settlements just like 18th and 17th century New England.
Looks like I might be wrong and that deforestation goes way back in time further than I thought. Here is an interesting article that gives quite the picture:


http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1980_May_June/Ecoscience__The_Greek_and_The_Romans_Did_It_Too

Regards,
QLP

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> G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> Well. I've just come from seeing Apollonius Cordus, Fabia Livia,

> Gladius Agricola off to the Termini train station on their way back
> home from Rome.
>
> I've got a couple of days left before heading back to New York;
> Moravius Laureatus and I are planning to meet in the morning and go

> the Vatican Museums, and Constantinus Fuscus has offered to shepherd
> me around a bit as well, an offer which I plan to take him up on.
>
> It would be almost impossible (but not quite, which is why I'm

> this) to describe what an incredible job Provincia Italia --- and
> specifically Serapio --- did at this Conventus. The food was
> excellent, the wine delicious, the sights unparallelled, and the

> important part: seeing each other face to face.
>
> At every possible moment you could wander from bunch of citizens to
> bunch of citizens and hear people talking about the res publica, the
> history of Rome, the origins of their Roman names --- and get
> embroiled in discussions that might have taken months over this
> medium, but when speaking directly to each other (sometimes

> with much hand-waving and cries of exasperation), ended up two hours
> later pouring wine all around and laughing until tears ran down our

>
> Sulla and Perusianus presented projects that they are working on in
> Provincia Italia, and representatives of each Provincia gave a short
> speech about what is happening on their home fronts. We had a

> a meeting which followed pretty much exactly the ancient Republican
> form, at which the Consul Caesar called for the People to attend him
> and voice their minds. The Aedile Serapio conveyed this message to
> the People, and after a brief prayer asking the gods to make
> everything we spoke of be of benefit to the Republic, the

> and senators stood before the People, and we talked to each other.

> was phenomenal to watch the interaction of the People, both
> magistrates and non-magistrates, as we spoke passionately about our
> ideas about who we are and where we want to go.
>
> I will try to give more impressions of various activities in the

> few days, but last night's farewell dinner was a feast, and the
> after-dinner party at the bar at the point of the Isola Tiberina was
> one I will never forget --- and I had the headache to prove it.
>
> So, it's been wonderful and you'll see massive numbers of photos

> a group of us has unofficially given Marcus Gladius Agricola a

> cognomen --- "Pictor", as he was never without his camera :-)
>
> Valete optime, from Rome, this is
>
> Cato

> gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
>
> OSD G. Equitius Cato
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> <sniped>
>
> <and with the effort of keeping various Hispanii, Britanii, Dacii,

> (it's like trying to herd cats)>
>
>
> LOL I'm trying to picture that!
> Don't forget to check out the real "herds" of cats living in the

> Have a great time, Cato!
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> We will also have more Senators then citizens if this keeps up.

> Senators will be the only ones to pay taxes.

> I agree with you. Leges seem to
> stripping the lifeblood away from Nova Roma.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Salve Calve;
> do you speak French? Perhaps that's the clear way of reporting.
It
> seems obvious to you but it isn't. I've been humiliated many a time
by
> a French lawyer telling me how 'obvious' it was to do something...
> As I said to eveyone here; help don't criticize or Albucius can
> post in Latin only. I'd actually love that.
> bene vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>
>
> > There is no need for paragraph after paragraph of "in light of this
> > and in light of that" in order to explain what is self explanitory
> > that this is a Senate report of what the Senate voted upon, how the
> > Senators voted, and what their remarks were.
> >

> You also posted that the Senate was considering

> counted as members of the Capite Censi.
>
> It should be noted that both Senator Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> and Lucius Sicinius Drusus taxes are paid and are both Assidui.

> G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> Well. I've just come from seeing Apollonius Cordus, Fabia Livia,

> Gladius Agricola off to the Termini train station on their way back
> home from Rome.
>
> I've got a couple of days left before heading back to New York;
> Moravius Laureatus and I are planning to meet in the morning and go

> the Vatican Museums, and Constantinus Fuscus has offered to shepherd
> me around a bit as well, an offer which I plan to take him up on.
>
> It would be almost impossible (but not quite, which is why I'm

> this) to describe what an incredible job Provincia Italia --- and
> specifically Serapio --- did at this Conventus. The food was
> excellent, the wine delicious, the sights unparallelled, and the

> important part: seeing each other face to face.
>
> At every possible moment you could wander from bunch of citizens to
> bunch of citizens and hear people talking about the res publica, the
> history of Rome, the origins of their Roman names --- and get
> embroiled in discussions that might have taken months over this
> medium, but when speaking directly to each other (sometimes

> with much hand-waving and cries of exasperation), ended up two hours
> later pouring wine all around and laughing until tears ran down our

>
> Sulla and Perusianus presented projects that they are working on in
> Provincia Italia, and representatives of each Provincia gave a short
> speech about what is happening on their home fronts. We had a

> a meeting which followed pretty much exactly the ancient Republican
> form, at which the Consul Caesar called for the People to attend him
> and voice their minds. The Aedile Serapio conveyed this message to
> the People, and after a brief prayer asking the gods to make
> everything we spoke of be of benefit to the Republic, the

> and senators stood before the People, and we talked to each other.

> was phenomenal to watch the interaction of the People, both
> magistrates and non-magistrates, as we spoke passionately about our
> ideas about who we are and where we want to go.
>
> I will try to give more impressions of various activities in the

> few days, but last night's farewell dinner was a feast, and the
> after-dinner party at the bar at the point of the Isola Tiberina was
> one I will never forget --- and I had the headache to prove it.
>
> So, it's been wonderful and you'll see massive numbers of photos

> a group of us has unofficially given Marcus Gladius Agricola a

> cognomen --- "Pictor", as he was never without his camera :-)
>
> Valete optime, from Rome, this is
>
> Cato

>What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater?Donate or

> It would be almost impossible (but not quite, which is why I'm

> this) to describe what an incredible job Provincia Italia --- and
> specifically Serapio --- did at this Conventus.

>A great kiss to the people
> who climbed the Marcian+Tepula+Iulia acqueduct with me ;-) yes,
> friends, that was the name and the other one with the great arches
> was the aqua Claudia+Anio Novus... just for the records, eh eh

> Ave, Caius.

>
> There is no doubt in my mind that Hortensia's participation in the
> sodalitas was illegal according to Nova Roman law. And to be honest, I
> find it disgusting that she uses Piscinius as a shield in defense of
> her actions so frequently. Perhaps someone should inform him to the
> fullest extend of her history if he has not been so informed already.

>
> Take it to the CP to force the Senate to act. If the Collegium will
> not act, take it to the Senators themselves. File suit with the
> appropriate authorities. Whomever or whatever it takes.

>
> She cannot, in my opinion, be allowed to disregard her nefas status,
> make threats, and blatanly disobey the regard with such frequency
> without consequence. Her citizenship should have been in question many
> times over.

>
> I'll be writing you again soon, amice. A lot has been happening on my
> end lately, including the death of my grandfather. Before that I was
> taking care of him, and his neighbourhood does not have wireless
> access (I checked). If you could, remember him in your prayers; it
> would be much appreciated.
>
> Vale,
> Kaelus
>

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
>>
>> To: Marca Hortensia Maior
>> From: C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
>>
>> In your attempt to belittle Diana Octavia you mentioned this
> "Sodalitas Diis
>> Inferis." You inferred that it was a Sodalitas of Nova Roma, and
> made NO
>> indication that it was unofficial and irregular within the confines
> of Nova
>> Roma. Within Nova Roma you are FORBIDDEN to perform ANY priestly
> function. I
>> am not on the Nova Religio list, this is not a list of the Religio
> Romana of
>> Nova Roma -- as meritorious as the list may be.
>>
>> Regarding your comment, "I really must speak with some Senators about
>> returning the CP to it's historic powers during the Republic. Nova
> Roma is not a
>> theocracy." Is this supposed to be some sort of threat? If it is
> I am not
>> in the least intimidated. This is the sort of behavior I would
> expect from
>> someone classified as Nefas.
>>
>> C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
>>
>> In a message dated 8/8/2005 12:13:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> rory12001@y... writes:
>>
>> M. Hortensia Maior G. Fabio Buteo Modiano salutem dicit;
>> Salve; If you'd actually bothered to go to the webpage
>> you would see "this is an unofficial sodalitas of Nova Roma".
>>
>> Also I suggest you read the posts on the Nova Religio
>> list the kind Pontifex Maximus encouraged the lowly cives to form
>> these unofficial groups.
>>
>> I really must speak with some Senators about returning the CP to
>> it's historic powers during the Republic. Nova Roma is not a
>> theocracy.
>> vale
>> Marca Hortensia Maior
>>
>>
>>

> Salvete Omnes.
>
> >>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
> <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:
>
> ....Poppeia Sabina , the wife of Nero and former
> > wife of Otho was positively scary (Betty Davis eyes)....great
> > actress (don't know who she is/was) playing a lady with alot of
> > power, who doubtless frightened alot of people in her day.<<
>
> Patricia Laffan, born in London, 1919 and, aparently, still living.
>
> Here are those eyes, albeit from her title role in "Devil Girl

> Mars" 3 years after "Quo Vadis?":
>
> http://actress.shillpages.com/actress/laffap24.jpg
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Gaius Popillius Laenas

> ops! I was watching all the pics I've downloaded from the camera.
> Livia, I can't see you climbing and walking on the acqueduct, where
> were you? ;-) a kiss to the delightful girl as well.
>
> vale
> M IVL PERVSIANVS

> Ave, Caius.

>
> There is no doubt in my mind that Hortensia's participation in the
> sodalitas was illegal according to Nova Roman law. And to be honest, I
> find it disgusting that she uses Piscinius as a shield in defense of
> her actions so frequently. Perhaps someone should inform him to the
> fullest extend of her history if he has not been so informed already.

>
> Take it to the CP to force the Senate to act. If the Collegium will
> not act, take it to the Senators themselves. File suit with the
> appropriate authorities. Whomever or whatever it takes.

>
> She cannot, in my opinion, be allowed to disregard her nefas status,
> make threats, and blatanly disobey the regard with such frequency
> without consequence. Her citizenship should have been in question many
> times over.

>
> I'll be writing you again soon, amice. A lot has been happening on my
> end lately, including the death of my grandfather. Before that I was
> taking care of him, and his neighbourhood does not have wireless
> access (I checked). If you could, remember him in your prayers; it
> would be much appreciated.
>
> Vale,
> Kaelus
>

>
> C. Fabius Buteo Modianus Aulae Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit
>
> The post by L. Modius Kaelus was indeed intended to be private, as he
> indicated to me in a private post. Modius Kaelus is young, and not fully
> aware of
> everything that has transpired with regard to Hortensia Maior and the
> decretum that removed her as a sacerdos -- nor should he.

>
> Additionally, at the last official voting of the Collegium Pontificum there
> was a vote to have the "nefas" status of M. Hortensia Maior removed. I was
> one of the pontifices within the Collegium Pontificum who voted to have this
> status removed. I do not believe that Kaelus is aware of this -- as the
> voting results of the Collegium Pontificum are not published like that of the
> senate (this could change, and is up to the Pontifex Maximus).

>
> Regarding the ongoing debate of Orthopraxy vs. Orthodoxy... I must add that
> aspects of Catholic and Orthodox Christianity have their orthopraxic side,

> yet they are faiths that are not limited to orthopraxy. To state that the
> Religio Romana is ONLY orthopraxic is to limit the Religio Romana in such a
> way
> that I believe was not a practice exclusively practiced by the ancient people
> we endeavor to emulate.

>The constitution of Nova Roma does not specifically
> use the term orthopraxy. As a modern "Pagan" man who believes in the Gods
> of Rome, I can with all honesty state that my faith is not simply a cold
> orthopraxic faith. It is both orthopraxic, and spiritual to me. I believe
> that I
> am not the only one who feels this way.

>
> Regarding the remarks of L. Modius Kaelus, his comment was inappropriate for
> the main list. He should apologize to M. Hortensia Maior for his post.
>

> Vale;
>
> C. Fabius Buteo Modianus

>
> In a message dated 8/11/2005 5:33:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> fororom@... writes:
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Kaelo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.
>
>
>> Ave, Caius.
>
> Is this message intended to be private? The praetores discourage
> private messages on the ML, though of course we all make mistakes.
>>
>> There is no doubt in my mind that Hortensia's participation in the
>> sodalitas was illegal according to Nova Roman law. And to be honest, I
>> find it disgusting that she uses Piscinius as a shield in defense of
>> her actions so frequently. Perhaps someone should inform him to the
>> fullest extend of her history if he has not been so informed already.
>
> Maybe Piscinus is capable of independent thought. He's very
> intelligent. In fact, I'm SURE he's capable of independent thought.
>
> Marca Hortensia Maior is also a member of the Sodalitas Latinitatis.
> Should she be banned from that, too? Just asking...
>>
>> Take it to the CP to force the Senate to act. If the Collegium will
>> not act, take it to the Senators themselves. File suit with the
>> appropriate authorities. Whomever or whatever it takes.
>
> Is this your call?
>>
>> She cannot, in my opinion, be allowed to disregard her nefas status,
>> make threats, and blatanly disobey the regard with such frequency
>> without consequence. Her citizenship should have been in question many
>> times over.
>
> What in the world leads you to believe that someone's citizenship in
> Nova Roma depends on whether or not he or she practices the Religio? Or
> whether he or she observes orthodoxy--in a faith dependent upon, not
> orthoDOXY, but orthoPRAXY? Have you read the Constitution lately?
>>
>> I'll be writing you again soon, amice. A lot has been happening on my
>> end lately, including the death of my grandfather. Before that I was
>> taking care of him, and his neighbourhood does not have wireless
>> access (I checked). If you could, remember him in your prayers; it
>> would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Vale,
>> Kaelus
>>
> Vale, et valete.
>
> ATS
>
>
>
>
>

>
> A reform of our legislative system would be very useful, I agree.
> However if we all think more to real cultural and religious

> the idea of a large number of laws could be less worrying ;-)
>
> Vale
> FAC

> Salve: pics! oooh where, please post them!

> and kissing from Italian cives:

> > ops! I was watching all the pics I've downloaded from the camera.
> > Livia, I can't see you climbing and walking on the acqueduct, where
> > were you? ;-) a kiss to the delightful girl as well.
> >
> > vale
> > M IVL PERVSIANVS

> G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> Well. I've just come from seeing Apollonius Cordus, Fabia Livia,

> Gladius Agricola off to the Termini train station on their way back
> home from Rome.
>
> I've got a couple of days left before heading back to New York;
> Moravius Laureatus and I are planning to meet in the morning and go

> the Vatican Museums, and Constantinus Fuscus has offered to shepherd
> me around a bit as well, an offer which I plan to take him up on.
>
> It would be almost impossible (but not quite, which is why I'm

> this) to describe what an incredible job Provincia Italia --- and
> specifically Serapio --- did at this Conventus. The food was
> excellent, the wine delicious, the sights unparallelled, and the

> important part: seeing each other face to face.
>
> At every possible moment you could wander from bunch of citizens to
> bunch of citizens and hear people talking about the res publica, the
> history of Rome, the origins of their Roman names --- and get
> embroiled in discussions that might have taken months over this
> medium, but when speaking directly to each other (sometimes

> with much hand-waving and cries of exasperation), ended up two hours
> later pouring wine all around and laughing until tears ran down our

>
> Sulla and Perusianus presented projects that they are working on in
> Provincia Italia, and representatives of each Provincia gave a short
> speech about what is happening on their home fronts. We had a

> a meeting which followed pretty much exactly the ancient Republican
> form, at which the Consul Caesar called for the People to attend him
> and voice their minds. The Aedile Serapio conveyed this message to
> the People, and after a brief prayer asking the gods to make
> everything we spoke of be of benefit to the Republic, the

> and senators stood before the People, and we talked to each other.

> was phenomenal to watch the interaction of the People, both
> magistrates and non-magistrates, as we spoke passionately about our
> ideas about who we are and where we want to go.
>
> I will try to give more impressions of various activities in the

> few days, but last night's farewell dinner was a feast, and the
> after-dinner party at the bar at the point of the Isola Tiberina was
> one I will never forget --- and I had the headache to prove it.
>
> So, it's been wonderful and you'll see massive numbers of photos

> a group of us has unofficially given Marcus Gladius Agricola a

> cognomen --- "Pictor", as he was never without his camera :-)
>
> Valete optime, from Rome, this is
>
> Cato

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC"

> wrote:
> >
> > A reform of our legislative system would be very

> > However if we all think more to real cultural and

> projects,
> > the idea of a large number of laws could be less

> >
> > Vale
> > FAC
>
> Salve,
>
> The large number of laws, edicta, ect. would be less

> they weren't used to crush individual initiative to

> more real cultural and religious projects. How many

> all seen someone come up with an idea here only to

> lawyers" start quoting various leges and edicts to

> the life out of any idea?
>
> In the very few instances that someone actually

> all the hurdles and jump through the flaming hoops

> anything done in Nova Roma rest assured that there

> new lex rammed through one Comitia or the other to

> doesn't happen again any time soon.
>
> Let's look at what a person attempting to just join

> go through. First they must pick a pre-approved

> restricted list of Praenoma. That list was much

> it up based on historical resources but was cut way

> premise that many of the historically accurate names

> common and people would pick the uncommon names at

> frequency. When it comes to picking a cognomen the

> greater freedom of choice, but if they pick a

> on the pre-approved list they must then either take

> of picking a different one off the pre-approved list

> doctrinal thesis to defend their choice. Had I

> when I first joined Nova Roma back in 2001 I would

> mind, I can see that this is one of those type of

> micro-manages its members."
>
> The facts speak for themselves. The number of

> financial support the organization decreases every

> in the current census is showing that there will

> less citizens at the end of this census then at the

> previous census. The only two areas to show any

> two years is the number of laws and the number of

>
> Vale,
>
> Calvus
>
>
>
>
>
>

> In the very few instances that someone actually manages to negotiate
> all the hurdles and jump through the flaming hoops required to get
> anything done in Nova Roma rest assured that there will soon be a
> new lex rammed through one Comitia or the other to make sure that
> doesn't happen again any time soon.

> The facts speak for themselves. The number of people willing to
> financial support the organization decreases every year. The trend
> in the current census is showing that there will likely as not be
> less citizens at the end of this census then at the end of the
> previous census. The only two areas to show any growth in the past
> two years is the number of laws and the number of Socii.

> So I therefore extend a sincere apology to Hortensia Maior.
>
>
> Vale et valete,
> Kaelus

>
> <richmal@c...> wrote:
>
> > In the very few instances that someone actually manages to

> > all the hurdles and jump through the flaming hoops required to

> > anything done in Nova Roma rest assured that there will soon be

> > new lex rammed through one Comitia or the other to make sure that
> > doesn't happen again any time soon.
>
> The overabundance of laws and lawyers here has strangled this
> organization.
>
> The annual changes to the election rules waste the time of everyone
> involved, and caused a controversy that resulted in the loss of
> active citizens when a candidate narrowly lost shortly after the
> rules were changed.
>
> A priest has become inactive because of a "lawsuit" for "slander".
>
> The plethora of new laws are increasingly badly written, illogical,
> and unnecessary.
>
> > The facts speak for themselves. The number of people willing to
> > financial support the organization decreases every year. The

> > in the current census is showing that there will likely as not be
> > less citizens at the end of this census then at the end of the
> > previous census. The only two areas to show any growth in the

> > two years is the number of laws and the number of Socii.
>
> Newcomers see a flurry of confusing edicts and arguments about
> minutia, then get discouraged and leave.
>
> Old-timers are bitter about having put so much energy into a
> giant "hamster wheel" that goes nowhere.
>
> Nova Roma needs a reboot, badly. Sweep away *all* the laws and
> accumulated cruft, and create a climate that discourages more from
> accumulating.
>
> --
> hucke@c...
> http://www.graveyards.com
>
> "The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
> voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

> G. Equitius Cato Fr. Apulo Caesari Q. Cassio Calvo S.P.D.
>
> Salvete viri.
>
> I have spoken with the Consul Caesar about this very idea, and he
> himself spoke very passionately about it at the Conventus during

> contio, and I agree, to a great extent.
>
> Calvus, the only area in which I might disagree slightly is that

> is more to the res publica than numbers. Since I have been acting

> a moderator of this Forum under the imperium of my praetor Arminus
> Fausts, I have seen the numbers of people on it grow from 600+ to

> 1000.

> As to the laws, well, ancient Rome had whole buildings full of

> and tablets with laws on them;

> One thing that has become overwhelmingly clear to me since the
> discussions at the Conventus and the Galerius Paulinus issue is

> people to govern. Nova Roma has 10 acres of barren desert and
> population of less than a thousand. If you count tarantulas and
> rattlesnakes, then maybe our population is really in the millions.
>

> Yes, I'm sure everything for the next year was all worked out at

> Conventus. The rest of us poor benighted souls eagerly await to

> what our betters have decided to inflict, I mean, enlighten us with.

> Salve,
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
> <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
> > G. Equitius Cato Fr. Apulo Caesari Q. Cassio Calvo S.P.D.
> >
> > Salvete viri.
> >
> > I have spoken with the Consul Caesar about this very idea, and he
> > himself spoke very passionately about it at the Conventus during
> the
> > contio, and I agree, to a great extent.
> >
> > Calvus, the only area in which I might disagree slightly is that
> there
> > is more to the res publica than numbers. Since I have been

> as
> > a moderator of this Forum under the imperium of my praetor Arminus
> > Fausts, I have seen the numbers of people on it grow from 600+ to
> over
> > 1000.
>
> But I thought it wasn't about numbers?
>
>
> > As to the laws, well, ancient Rome had whole buildings full of
> scrolls
> > and tablets with laws on them;
>
> Ancient Rome also had huge swaths of territory and millions of
> people to govern. Nova Roma has 10 acres of barren desert and
> population of less than a thousand. If you count tarantulas and
> rattlesnakes, then maybe our population is really in the millions.
>
> > One thing that has become overwhelmingly clear to me since the
> > discussions at the Conventus and the Galerius Paulinus issue is
>
> Yes, I'm sure everything for the next year was all worked out at

> Conventus. The rest of us poor benighted souls eagerly await to

> what our betters have decided to inflict, I mean, enlighten us with.
>
> Vale,
>
> Calvus

> G. Equitius Cato G. Fabio Buteoni Modiano S.P.D.
>
> Salve Buteo Modianus.
>
> I will only observe the following:
>
> You wrote,
>
> "Individual pontifices are not responsible [for] the transparency of
> the Collegium Pontificum, although I (as a pontifex) am more
> than happy to let people know my individual positions on topics."
>
> I applaud your personal sentiments, in that you are offering your
> "positions on topics". And if I were talking about hearing your
> positions on topics, I'd just ask you for them, and am glad that you
> are willing to share them.
>
> However, that is not the point I am making. "As a pontiff &c.", I do
> not want to just hear your positions on "topics"; I want to hear about
> your practice of the religio; I want to hear you describe the rites
> and rituals you are performing on behalf of the res publica. I want
> to hear the prayers you say, read the actions you take, and have you
> describe their foundation in ancient text sources. If there are no
> ancient Roman text sources, I want to hear the sources and authorities
> from which you *do* draw your practices.
>
> And I want to hear about the religio romana, not any other pagan
> religious practice, because the religio romana is the State religion.
> And I would like to hear the practices of the religio from each of
> the pontiffs, flamens, augurs and sacerdotes to whom the People have
> given the authority to act for the res publica.
>
> L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur has detailed rites he has performed as
> flamen Martialis; F. Galerius Aurelianus has shown rites performed as
> flamen Cerealis. Aside from these two, to my knowledge, we have not
> heard from a single flamen or pontiff or augur or sacerdote regarding
> the performance of the duties they have chosen to accept as
> representatives of the State to the gods in a very very long time.
> How are the People to learn about the religio? How do the People know
> that the State is being watched out for by her priests?
>
> Yes, there is at least one religio List for discussions about the
> religio, but I am talking about the public rites; by their very
> definition should not these ceremonies be performed in public, for the
> People to see and hear? Just because the individual pontiffs are not
> "responsible" for doing so, should they not *desire* to do so out of
> respect for the People in whose name they serve? Just because
> something does not HAVE to be done does not mean it SHOULD NOT be done.
>
> This is NOT an "attack" on the College of Pontiffs or anyone else who
> serves the res publica in the name of the religio; it is a plea to them.
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Cato

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Ancient Rome also had huge swaths of territory and

> > people to govern. Nova Roma has 10 acres of

> > population of less than a thousand. If you count

> > rattlesnakes, then maybe our population is really

> >
>
> > Yes, I'm sure everything for the next year was all

> the
> > Conventus. The rest of us poor benighted souls

> see
> > what our betters have decided to inflict, I mean,

>
> Some of you may be frustrated with certain

> or Collegium Pontificum, or maybe even another

> is going to agree on everything even half the time.

> Republic hence tyranny of the masses. Suck it up and

> you have nothing constructive to add, then why say

> Try and get yourself elected into an office with the

> neccessary to effect the changes you'd want to make.

> organization attracts the politcally and religious

> nature of the beast. Really if it's all that bad,

> holding a gun at your head to stay.
>
> That's just my humble opinion. I may sound like a

> enough is enough, let's deal with some real issues.
>
> Falco.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com,

> <richmal@c...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com,

> > <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
> > > G. Equitius Cato Fr. Apulo Caesari Q. Cassio

> > >
> > > Salvete viri.
> > >
> > > I have spoken with the Consul Caesar about this

> > > himself spoke very passionately about it at the

> > the
> > > contio, and I agree, to a great extent.
> > >
> > > Calvus, the only area in which I might disagree

> > there
> > > is more to the res publica than numbers. Since

> acting
> > as
> > > a moderator of this Forum under the imperium of

> > > Fausts, I have seen the numbers of people on it

> > over
> > > 1000.
> >
> > But I thought it wasn't about numbers?
> >
> >
> > > As to the laws, well, ancient Rome had whole

> > scrolls
> > > and tablets with laws on them;
> >
> > Ancient Rome also had huge swaths of territory and

> > people to govern. Nova Roma has 10 acres of

> > population of less than a thousand. If you count

> > rattlesnakes, then maybe our population is really

> >
> > > One thing that has become overwhelmingly clear

> > > discussions at the Conventus and the Galerius

> >
> > Yes, I'm sure everything for the next year was all

> the
> > Conventus. The rest of us poor benighted souls

> see
> > what our betters have decided to inflict, I mean,

> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Calvus
>

> G. Equitius Cato Q. Fabio Maximo Q. Cassio Calvo

>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> Hmmmmm......
>
> Calvus and Maximus, let me simply make clear that I

> discussions, not edicta or leges or any other kind

> exercize on the part of any magistrate. These were

> were useful and encouraging precisely because they

> misunderstandings of the type that you both seem to

> we had the chance to complete those discussions in

> laboriously having to correct any misunderstandings

> speeches in the Forum like this one.
>
> Calvus, "everything" was not "worked out" for the

> all came away from the Conventus knowing more about

> in their provincia and with a challenge to do more,

> work harder at making our res publica real and

> macronational world. Is it that offensive that I

> this meeting with a renewed sense of purpose and

>
> Maximus, if you felt it was so important that the

> why did you not suggest the subsidization you

> Conventus began? The date of the Conventus did not

> forth full-blown like Minerva from Iuppiter's head

> everyone. Or you could have offered to subsidize

> you discuss this with the junior consul? Did you

> have been another, macronational, reason why he was

> Has he expressed some kind of bitterness (as

> he was not there?
>
> And why yes, Maximus, I felt very good at the

> have a problem with that I have no answer for you.

> dismissed as a "feel good exercize" is at the very

> the res publica: groups of its citizens meeting,

> talking together face to face in the macronational

> elite"? A group of citizens from eight countries

> enjoy each other's company? I would not mind being

> member of the "power elite" (what real Roman would?)

> certainly was not an issue at the Conventus. Not

> "power", Maximus; sometimes it can be just about

> renewing friendships, and finding surprising

> never imagined it could exist.
>
> The phrase you use, "with no one from Europe

> reverse: "with no one from the U.S. attending", and

> true, because I am from the U.S. and by gum, I was

> claim to represent the entire U.S., nor did any

> representative power for their respective

>
> It is a pity that something that engendered so much

> humour and energy should be dismissed so tritely and

>
> I trust that the rest of the citizenry will not be

> so...mean-spirited...in their consideration of the

>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato
>
>

> The last public ritual I performed was at Pagan Spirit Gathering in
> June, located Southwestern Ohio.
>
> I host Elysium Gathering, a Pagan Festival in Ohio held in
> September.
>
> I have conducted several workshops at local and regional Pagan
> festivals on the Religio Romana.