Salvete;
I have issued my concern for the survivors of Katrina, and my concern for a
citizen of Nova Roma who I knew was from the area -- L. Modia Lupa (our
Vestal), whom we have found out is safe.
I do not have an official statement on Katrina, nor upon what has happened
to New Orleans. As a person, I can speculate philosophically that I believe
the Gods of Rome are ambivalant about the place. Why should they care? The
people of New Orleans do not make sacrifice to the Gods of Rome, and they do
not honor them. The magistrates of the city do not make regular offerings,
and New Orleans has no Collegium Pontificum of its own. So why should the
Gods of Rome care?
L. Modia Lupa believes in the Gods. She was in New Orleans. She made it out
successfully. Perhaps they have blessed her, by assisting her departure from
the city.
I DO NOT believe the Gods willed anything to happen. In the sense of being
malicious. However, I don't believe they concern themselves -- that is in
giving blessings -- with people and places who do not honor them.
So while I follow the disaster of Katrina on a daily basis, and am very
saddened by what has happened. As a pontifex I do not see anything that
would be of a concern. AS A PONTIFEX I make offerings to the Gods for the
CITIZENS of Nova Roma -- not the citizens of the United States. There are
some citizens in the gulf area, then I pray for them in my capacity as a
priest of Nova Roma. As a person, outside of my duties as a priest in Nova
Roma, I have prayed for the people afflicted by this most horrible tragedy.
Hope what I am explaining makes sense. I also hope it doesn't make me sound
like a horrible person. I am very compassionate about what has happened
after the onslaught of Katrina. I follow the disaster closely, and my heart
goes out to the people. But in my capacity as a priest of Nova Roma, I am
concerned with Nova Romans; their success, safety, and well being. But my
official offerings -- as a pontifex and flamen --- to the Gods are for
citizens of Nova Roma.
Valete;
C. Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 9/9/05, G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana <silvanatextrix@...> wrote:
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.
>
> So very much has happened in the short time I was away . . .
>
> I applaud the magistrates who suggested and supported NR
> providing whatever financial aid we can, to our cives in
> the area affected by Katrina, and Consul F. Apulus Caesar
> for his prompt response. (Messages 37618, 37619, 37626)
>
> To Marcus Flavius Fides (Message 37621). . . perhaps this kind
> of real-world activity will inspire a few more people to pony up
> their taxes in the interests of helping their fellows, for as
> Marcus Aurelius says in his Mediations (Chapter VI, xxx: . . .
> " There is only one fruit of this terrene life, a pious disposition
> and social acts."
>
> Many thanks to the Propraetor Pannoniae for his Roman prayer
> for the victims of Katrina (Message 37638). It is one of the
> tenets of NR that the Religio is part of Nova Roman life, and
> this is a beautiful, poignant example.
>
> As a dedicated Nova Roman, Propraetor Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
> has a list of titles and duties. However, I did not notice the
> title of "Pontifex" among them.
>
> Since religious belief in all its forms has often given comfort,
> hope and strength to people in time of need, and because I have
> found great comfort in RR myself, I have scanned the messages
> since Katrina, looking for the official presence of the Pontificate
> on the disaster in the USA.
>
> I have hoped for some reflections, some guidance, some suggestions
> for rituals anchored in the Religio. More specifically, and more
> challenging, it would be helpful to me (and probably others of
> the RR) to see some reflections on the roles of the Deities, and
> the philosophical questions raised by the disaster from a RR
> perspective. Applied Religio Romana, as it were. A perfect
> example of a "teachable moment".
>
> If there are such messages on the list and I have missed them,
> I apologize . . . I will scan again. If what I suggest is an
> inappropriate role for the Pontificate within the context of NR,
> I stand corrected.
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum.
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana
>


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salve Octavius Verus,
congratulations and welcome in Nova Roma!
Enjoy it and please contact me for any question.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Consul

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>
> I would like to annouce that I have recently taken and
> passed the citizenship test.
>
> Valete,
> S. Octavius Verus
>
>
>
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A. Apollonius omnibus sal.

Just a quick note to say that Livia and I are back
from our wonderful visit to provincia Thule (on which
I see Saturninus has already given you a full
report!), but we are still both rather busy and I, at
least, haven't yet managed to catch up on everything.

I haven't caught up on this list yet, but I can guess
what one of the main topics must have been, and let me
offer my deep sympathy to everyone affected by storms,
floods, and hurricanes this turbulent summer. This
applies especially, of course, to the residents of New
Orleans, but also to everyone in North America who has
been adversely affected by the knock-on effects of the
hurricane, as well as those in central Europe whose
homes were flooded earlier in August, those in
southern France who have been affected by floods in
the last few days, and those in Japan who were hit by
the August taifun.

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Lucius Iulius Auspex omnibus salutem dicit

I just wanted to be thought-provoking. Forgive me some excesses, if any, of my bacchic inebriation of yesterday.

I really like this Republic; I guess she´s one of the most charming cyberplaces, among mortals and immortals.

Di vobiscum ex meo corde aueo

Lucius Iulius Auspex

Lucius Iulius Auspex <lucius_auspex@...> wrote:
Auete omnes

Have you, roman citizens, ever thought of abolishing some temporal and spiritual barriers by changing the name of Nova Roma to merely Roma:

Not the old
Not the new
Simply the eternal

Reflect about the jewish people: they passed though several periods of being forced to slavery, which can be equated to psychological anihilation, but when they recovered their cultural strenght, those who were in the power never called their people the new jews. Besides that, I think not even orthodox jews dress in clothes with a 2000 years design. If roman cultural identity was anihilated somewhere in time and is to be restored, should it be called New, like a sort of dernier crit, a vanishing fashion?

Valete quam optime

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A. Ambrosius Celetrus G.A.F. Silvanae s.p.d.

"G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana" wrote:

>
> I have hoped for some reflections, some guidance, some suggestions
> for rituals anchored in the Religio. More specifically, and more
> challenging, it would be helpful to me (and probably others of
> the RR) to see some reflections on the roles of the Deities, and
> the philosophical questions raised by the disaster from a RR
> perspective. Applied Religio Romana, as it were. A perfect
> example of a "teachable moment".

>
> If there are such messages on the list and I have missed them,
> I apologize . . . I will scan again.

Salve Silvana,

And you will scan in vein, on either this or the Religio list.

We are in the midst of the Ludi Romani, offered in honor of Iuppiter
Optimus Maximus. Did ANY member of the CP offer public prayers to let
"The Best and Greatest" know these games were truly offered with honor
and respect, and not just as a chance to play quiz games, and gut
cyber-gladiators?

The answer is no. Yet in his answer to you, Buteo Modianus has the nerve
to write:

"AS A PONTIFEX I make offerings to the Gods for the CITIZENS of Nova
Roma -- not the citizens of the United States," and "in my capacity as a
priest of Nova Roma, I am concerned with Nova Romans; their success,
safety, and well being. But my official offerings -- as a pontifex and
flamen --- to the Gods are for citizens of Nova Roma."

What offerings? What prayers? On the Ides of last month, Buteo, who is
also flamen Pomonalis, in answer to similar criticism from me wrote, "I
attempt to honor Pomona the best I can, and as often as I can in a
public venue." That day was also the Vertumnalia, and thus also a day
for Dea Pomona by association. Did the flamen Pomonalis "attempt to
honor" Her, in any way whatsoever, that day? The answer is no.

Buteo Modianus, and the rest of the Collegium Pontificum, will write
reams about why there can be no women pontifices, on appropiate sources
for ritual (to be studied but never used), on name changes, and how they
should be addressed.

But will they stir their fingers to offer public prayers for one of NR's
host countries, or even those public prayers it is their vowed duty to
offer on behalf of Nova Roma as the sacral year unfolds? The anser is
no. Time and time agian, we have seen the answer is no.

As alluded about, there is a discussion going on on the Religio list
about forms of address for our silent (silent with respect to their
duties, that is) pontiffs. Perhaps our Latinists can provide the correct
equivalents for poseurs, charlatans and mountebanks.

Vale bene,
Amborius Celetrus




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Gn. Lentulus Aureliae et G. Buteoni Pontifici, viro amplissimo, sal.

"G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana" wrote:

>>>Many thanks to the Propraetor Pannoniae for his Roman prayer

for the victims of Katrina (Message 37638). It is one of the
tenets of NR that the Religio is part of Nova Roman life, and
this is a beautiful, poignant example.
As a dedicated Nova Roman, Propraetor Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
has a list of titles and duties. However, I did not notice the
title of "Pontifex" among them.<<<

Thank you, Aurelia Falconis, for your honesting words. My prayer was only an act of a private citizen (and propraetor) and I have to apprrove of the opinion of G. Fabius Modianus Pontifex -- however it is also true that the official Roman religion sometimes made sacrifices for kings or prominent personalities of other peoples and their countries -- if the climate of opinion of the Romans liked that.

Ceterum, I am devoted practicer of the Roman religion -- but the only one year spent in Nova Roma is too slight to run for so high religious offices.

Vale tu et omnes tui quam optime!


Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis Fr. Apuli Caesaris
Scriba Aedilis Curulis L. Iuli Sullae
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In a message dated 9/9/2005 1:39:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
silvanatextrix@... writes:
I have hoped for some reflections, some guidance, some suggestions
for rituals anchored in the Religio. More specifically, and more
challenging, it would be helpful to me (and probably others of
the RR) to see some reflections on the roles of the Deities, and
the philosophical questions raised by the disaster from a RR
perspective. Applied Religio Romana, as it were. A perfect
example of a "teachable moment".
Several comments. First by saying this was "Neptune's Wrath" as some people
have commented, misses the point. The hurricane was predicted, the results
assessed
the probable outcome discussed two years ago!

Should the people of New Orleans, knowing this, been sacrificing to Neptune
for survival knowing this? Perhaps, but man could have avoided this easily.
One notices that Old New Orleans circa 17-18 cent, survived reasonably intact.
That is because it was built in anticipation of storms. The area that was
destroyed
and still covered never should have been built up unless the levees were
maintained and strengthened. They weren't. The current gov. is fighting a war,
and monies earmarked for levee upgrades went to that.

When the levees were not upgraded, the media took notice. Many articles were
published
talking about possible disaster. However, the condition to cause disaster
had to happen perfectly, and the odds were long against it. Their luck ran out.
Fortuna is fickle.
So man brought this on himself. Not the Gods.

Remember, our Vestal who was in New Orleans did get out when so many died.
That was good news for Nova Roma. And perhaps proof of the Gods favor.

Q. Fabius Maximus
Pontifice


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That it did Quintus,

The Battle of Teutoburg Forest took place
on this exact date in the year 9AD. After hear of the
loss of his legions, it said that Augustus banged his
head againt the wall and stated the ever remembered
phrase,"Quintili Vare, legiones redde!" ('Quintilius
Varus, give me back my legions!').

I thin kI would have the same thing myself.

--- "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"
<mjk@...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> Some think that this disasterous battle occured
> during this month.
>
> The name of the Teutoburg Forest in Germany will
> forever be connected
> to one of the most famous battles from ancient
> history, the clades
> Variana, the defeat of the Roman general Varus. In
> September 9 CE, a
> coalition of Germanic tribes, led by a nobleman
> named Arminius, may
> the dogs gnaw his bones, defeated the Seventeenth,
> Eighteenth, and
> Nineteenth legions and forced their commander
> Publius Quintilius Varus
> to commit suicide. The result of the battle was that
> Germania remained
> independent and was never included in the Roman
> empire.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>

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Salvete omnes!

Ye gods and little fishes! How could I have missed nthis one?!?!
Probably a mixture of fatigue and a desire to block such a horrible
event from my memory :-) Anyways, here it is:

"Scarcely had Tiberius put the finishing touch upon the Pannonian and
Dalmatian war when, within five days of the completion of this task,
dispatches from Germania brought the baleful news of the death of
Varus, and of the slaughter of three legions, of as many divisions of
cavalry, and of six cohorts - as though fortune were granting us this
indulgence at least, that such a disaster should not be brought upon
us when our commander was occupied by other wars. The cause of this
defeat and the personality of the general require of me a brief
digression.

Varus Quintilius, descended from a famous rather than a high-born
family, was a man of mild character and of a quiet disposition,
somewhat slow in mind as he was in body, and more accustomed to the
leisure of the camp than to actual service in war. That he was no
despiser of money is demonstrated by his governorship of Syria: he
entered the rich province a poor man, but left it a rich man and the
province poor. When placed in charge of the army in Germania, he
entertained the notion that the Germans were a people who were men
only in limbs and voice, and that they, who could not be subdued by
the sword, could be soothed by the law. With this purpose in mind he
entered the heart of Germania as though he were going among a people
enjoying the blessings of peace, and sitting on his tribunal he wasted
the time of a summer campaign in holding court and observing the
proper details of legal procedure.

But the Germans, who with their great ferocity combine great craft, to
an extent scarcely credible to one who has had no experience with
them, and are a race to lying born, by trumping up a series of
fictitious lawsuits, now provoking one another to disputes, and now
expressing their gratitude that Roman justice was settling these
disputes, that their own barbarous nature was being softened down by
this new and hitherto unknown method, and that quarrels which were
usually settled by arms were now being ended by law, brought
Quintilius to such a complete degree of negligence, that he came to
look upon himself as a city praetor administering justice in the
forum, and not a general in command of an army in the heart of
Germania.

Thereupon appeared a young man of noble birth, brave in action and
alert in mind, possessing an intelligence quite beyond the ordinary
barbarian; he was, namely, Arminius, the son of Segimer, a prince of
that nation, and he showed in his countenance and in his eyes the fire
of the mind within. He had been associated with us constantly on
private campaigns, and had even attained the dignity of equestrian
rank. This young man made use of the negligence of the general as an
opportunity for treachery, sagaciously seeing that no one could be
more quickly overpowered than the man who feared nothing, and that the
most common beginning of disaster was a sense of security. At first,
then, he admitted but a few, later a large number, to a share in his
design; he told them, and convinced them too, that the Romans could be
crushed, added execution to resolve, and named a day for carrying out
the plot.

This was disclosed to Varus through Segestes, a loyal man of that race
and of illustrious name, who also demanded that the conspirators be
put in chains. But fate now dominated the plans of Varus and had
blindfolded the eyes of his mind. Indeed, it is usually the case that
heaven perverts the judgment of the man whose fortune it means to
reverse, and brings it to pass -and this is the wretched part of it-
that that which happens by chance seems to be deserved, and accident
passes over into culpability. And so Quintilius refused to believe the
story, and insisted upon judging the apparent friendship of the
Germans toward him by the standard of his merit. And, after this first
warning, there was no time left for a second.

The details of this terrible calamity, the heaviest that had befallen
the Romans on foreign soil since the disaster of Crassus in Parthia, I
shall endeavor to set forth, as others have done, in my larger work.
Here I can merely lament the disaster as a whole. An army unexcelled
in bravery, the first of Roman armies in discipline, in energy, and in
experience in the field, through the negligence of its general, the
perfidy of the enemy, and the unkindness of fortune was surrounded,
nor was as much opportunity as they had wished given to the soldiers
either of fighting or of extricating themselves, except against heavy
odds; nay, some were even heavily chastised for using the arms and
showing the spirit of Romans.

Hemmed in by forests and marshes and ambuscades, it was exterminated
almost to a man by the very enemy whom it had always slaughtered like
cattle, whose life or death had depended solely upon the wrath or the
pity of the Romans. The general had more courage to die than to fight,
for, following the example of his father and grandfather, he ran
himself through with his sword. Of the two prefects of the camp,
Lucius Eggius furnished a precedent as noble as that of Ceionius was
base, who, after the greater part of the army had perished, proposed
its surrender, preferring to die by torture at the hands of the enemy
than in battle." - Vellius Paterculus, The Roman Histories Book
II.117-120

Valete bene,

Cato


SOURCE

Salvete omnes,

I thought this piece of information could be of some interest, specially because offers some clues for later historical events...

The name of the Teutoburg Forest in Germany will forever be connected to one of the most famous battles from ancient history, the clades Variana, the defeat of the Roman general Varus. In September 9 CE, a coalition of Germanic tribes, led by a nobleman named Arminius, defeated the Seventeenth, Eighteenth, and Nineteenth legions and forced their commander Publius Quintilius Varus to commit suicide. The result of the battle was that Germania remained independent and was never included in the Roman empire.
In the nineteenth century, the battle became a powerful national symbol. In 1806, the French army of Napoleon Bonaparte decisively beat the armies of the German states. The humiliation was too big for the Germans, who started to look to the battle in the Teutoburg Forest as their finest hour. As Napoleon spoke a romanic language and presented himself as a Roman emperor, it was easy for the Germans to remind each other that they had once before defeated the welschen Erbfeind - an untranslatable expression that refers to the Latin speaking archenemies of Germany. The Teutoburg Forest became the symbol of the eternal opposition between the overcivilised and decadent Latin and the creative and vital Germanic people, between old France and new Germany.
To make the connection between the noble savages of Antiquity and the modern nation closer, the Germanic war leader whose name had been rendered by the Romans as Arminius was referred to by his (presumed) real Germanic name: Hermann. Already famous in the days of Martin Luther, who invented the name Hermann, the Germanic leader became a very popular hero in nineteenth-century and early twentieth-century Germany, and a symbol of national unity that could be used on almost any occasion. For example, in 1809, the romantic poet Heinrich von Kleist (1777-1811) wrote a play called Die Hermannsschlacht, to inspire the Germans to a national war against Napoleon. At Detmold, which was believed to be the site of the battle, the Hermannsdenkmal was erected in 1875. The first soccer club of nearby Bielefeld was (and is) called Arminia. The list is endless.
Arminius/Hermann was not alone. The nineteenth-century witnessed the resurrection of many ancient war leaders, who were used as a symbol by nationalists: the French exploited Vercingetorix, the Belgians Ambiorix, the Dutch Julius Civilis, and the British Boudicca. The difference is that they were all defeated by the Romans; Arminius, on the other hand, was ultimately victorious.
Although it is certainly incorrect to see the battle in the Teutoburg Forest as part of the history of an eternal, quasi-natural antithesis between France and Germany, it can not be denied that the Roman defeat was indeed one of the most decisive and influential battles in world history.

Valete omnes,

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Celetrus;
You are welcome to apply to the Collegium Pontificum and awe us with your
knowlege, and vision. I would even welcome you showing us how it is supposed
to be done.
Vale;
C. Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 9/9/05, Ambrosius Celetrus <Aulus.Ambrosius.Celetrus@...> wrote:
>
> A. Ambrosius Celetrus G.A.F. Silvanae s.p.d.
>
> "G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana" wrote:
>
> >
> > I have hoped for some reflections, some guidance, some suggestions
> > for rituals anchored in the Religio. More specifically, and more
> > challenging, it would be helpful to me (and probably others of
> > the RR) to see some reflections on the roles of the Deities, and
> > the philosophical questions raised by the disaster from a RR
> > perspective. Applied Religio Romana, as it were. A perfect
> > example of a "teachable moment".
>
> >
> > If there are such messages on the list and I have missed them,
> > I apologize . . . I will scan again.
>
> Salve Silvana,
>
> And you will scan in vein, on either this or the Religio list.
>
> We are in the midst of the Ludi Romani, offered in honor of Iuppiter
> Optimus Maximus. Did ANY member of the CP offer public prayers to let
> "The Best and Greatest" know these games were truly offered with honor
> and respect, and not just as a chance to play quiz games, and gut
> cyber-gladiators?
>
> The answer is no. Yet in his answer to you, Buteo Modianus has the nerve
> to write:
>
> "AS A PONTIFEX I make offerings to the Gods for the CITIZENS of Nova
> Roma -- not the citizens of the United States," and "in my capacity as a
> priest of Nova Roma, I am concerned with Nova Romans; their success,
> safety, and well being. But my official offerings -- as a pontifex and
> flamen --- to the Gods are for citizens of Nova Roma."
>
> What offerings? What prayers? On the Ides of last month, Buteo, who is
> also flamen Pomonalis, in answer to similar criticism from me wrote, "I
> attempt to honor Pomona the best I can, and as often as I can in a
> public venue." That day was also the Vertumnalia, and thus also a day
> for Dea Pomona by association. Did the flamen Pomonalis "attempt to
> honor" Her, in any way whatsoever, that day? The answer is no.
>
> Buteo Modianus, and the rest of the Collegium Pontificum, will write
> reams about why there can be no women pontifices, on appropiate sources
> for ritual (to be studied but never used), on name changes, and how they
> should be addressed.
>
> But will they stir their fingers to offer public prayers for one of NR's
> host countries, or even those public prayers it is their vowed duty to
> offer on behalf of Nova Roma as the sacral year unfolds? The anser is
> no. Time and time agian, we have seen the answer is no.
>
> As alluded about, there is a discussion going on on the Religio list
> about forms of address for our silent (silent with respect to their
> duties, that is) pontiffs. Perhaps our Latinists can provide the correct
> equivalents for poseurs, charlatans and mountebanks.
>
> Vale bene,
> Amborius Celetrus
>
>
>
>
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Salvete omnes,

Good article! What I note is that we are all products of various
times and eras. I remember people who were considered terrorists
around the world when I was a youngster also later became national
heroes, especially after decolonization and the rise of the 60's
open, liberal movements. This covered everyone from Kenyetta to Che
Guevera. A well known personality of 19th century Canada, Louis
Reil, a highly educated metis leader who led the North West
Rebellion and later hanged was a traitor when I was young but now is
exhonorated as a great leader and human right activist who was
unjustly put to death. I was just reading an article on the history
of piracy and the author pointed out that these people were not a
particularily pleasant lot and he was concerned that the Robin Hood
impression we are given of them today is somewhat akin to making Ben
Laden a hero and champion of the people a few hundred years from now.

Rome did a lot for Europe and did much to advance western
civilization. The in thing today is this evil empire concept which I
find funny at times since empires, while certainly have been wrong
on some of their policies or decsions, still brought a lot of
positive benifits to their colonies or scattered warring disunited
tribes. Think of the development of Roman roads to the British
railways around the world and their infrastructures as one example.

Now one gripe I have about Arminius' character was that he profited
by being a turn coat. He took the " Saxon shilling " as the Irish
rebel song says of others, collaborated as an officer in the Roman
army which ultimately lead to his victory in the forest since he
knew the Roman tactics.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL•SEVERVS
<marcusiuliusseverus@l...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> I thought this piece of information could be of some interest,

specially because offers some clues for later historical events...

>
> The name of the Teutoburg Forest in Germany will forever be

connected to one of the most famous battles from ancient history,
the clades Variana, the defeat of the Roman general Varus. In
September 9 CE, a coalition of Germanic tribes, led by a nobleman
named Arminius, defeated the Seventeenth, Eighteenth, and Nineteenth
legions and forced their commander Publius Quintilius Varus to
commit suicide. The result of the battle was that Germania remained
independent and was never included in the Roman empire.

> In the nineteenth century, the battle became a powerful national

symbol. In 1806, the French army of Napoleon Bonaparte decisively
beat the armies of the German states. The humiliation was too big
for the Germans, who started to look to the battle in the Teutoburg
Forest as their finest hour. As Napoleon spoke a romanic language
and presented himself as a Roman emperor, it was easy for the
Germans to remind each other that they had once before defeated the
welschen Erbfeind - an untranslatable expression that refers to the
Latin speaking archenemies of Germany. The Teutoburg Forest became
the symbol of the eternal opposition between the overcivilised and
decadent Latin and the creative and vital Germanic people, between
old France and new Germany.

> To make the connection between the noble savages of Antiquity and

the modern nation closer, the Germanic war leader whose name had
been rendered by the Romans as Arminius was referred to by his
(presumed) real Germanic name: Hermann. Already famous in the days
of Martin Luther, who invented the name Hermann, the Germanic leader
became a very popular hero in nineteenth-century and early twentieth-
century Germany, and a symbol of national unity that could be used
on almost any occasion. For example, in 1809, the romantic poet
Heinrich von Kleist (1777-1811) wrote a play called Die
Hermannsschlacht, to inspire the Germans to a national war against
Napoleon. At Detmold, which was believed to be the site of the
battle, the Hermannsdenkmal was erected in 1875. The first soccer
club of nearby Bielefeld was (and is) called Arminia. The list is
endless.

> Arminius/Hermann was not alone. The nineteenth-century witnessed

the resurrection of many ancient war leaders, who were used as a
symbol by nationalists: the French exploited Vercingetorix, the
Belgians Ambiorix, the Dutch Julius Civilis, and the British
Boudicca. The difference is that they were all defeated by the
Romans; Arminius, on the other hand, was ultimately victorious.

> Although it is certainly incorrect to see the battle in the

Teutoburg Forest as part of the history of an eternal, quasi-natural
antithesis between France and Germany, it can not be denied that the
Roman defeat was indeed one of the most decisive and influential
battles in world history.

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You're quite right. We can not and must not read history as a somewhat neutral recording of human facts and deeds in black and white... Frequently, yesterday's traitors are today's heroes. But going back to the Teutoburg Forest battle, I have wondered many times if Germany really benefited from the Roman defeat... Yes, as you wrote, the Roman Empire was indeed an empire, but performed real wonders by carrying civilization to almost all of the world then known...
Regarding Arminius or Hermann, as Germans prefer, it's something ironic that this towering figure of German nationalism was a product of the Roman world...

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Ambrosius Celetrus C.F. Buteoni Modiano

David Kling wrote:

> Celetrus;
> You are welcome to apply to the Collegium Pontificum and awe us with
> your
> knowlege, and vision.

Your invitation is both funny and saddening. Had it been made during
last year's (2757 a.u.c.) Cerialia, which I helped with very marginally
though enthusiastically, I would have been honored. I also would have
had to decline because my knowledge of the Religio at that time was
limited. I did, however, plan to apply for one of the open priesthoods;
until it became clear that safeguarding your sinecures was the only
activity that could rouse any of the CP to do anything.

Now, after more than a year of watching the Gods and Goddesses go
consistently and shamefully unhonored by all but a handful of NR's
religious establishment, though I probably could add some insights to
the Collegium's knowledge base, I can't think of nine other people I
would least want to be associated with. Really, it would be like
applying for a position on the board at Enron during the height of the
scandal, or on Michael Brown's personal staff at FEMA.

No, wait, it would be more like offering to assist Tullius Hostilius at
the altar.

> I would even welcome you showing us how it is supposed
> to be done.
> Vale;
> C. Fabius Buteo Modianus

The last resort of the scoundrel who cannot, or will not, do his or her
job. It's really rather simple, and every practitioner here in NR knows
how to go about it: check the calendar to see what the upcoming feriae
are, prepare a ritual and prayers, and offer it. You all claim to have
been doing vast amounts of research recovering the forms of the Religio.
What is the problem in appropriately honoring the Dii Immortales, if not
either laziness, or that the research doesn't really exist?

Your colleague, Fabius Maximus wrote this in Post 37091:

"I remember an earlier Nova Roma where everybody just did their job, and
no
one expected props for doing so. Perhaps one day we shall return to
that."

You job, Modiane, your duty and your privilege, along with the rest of
the CP's (have you forgotten that you are all honored to do this job for
the citizens of Nova Roma?), is to offer public respect to the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome - not when you feel like it, or remember it, but every
single time it is called for, without fail. If you cannot do it. Step
down.


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Salve Ambrosi Celetre,

I would like to thank you for your offerings, prayers, and spiritual
guidance for and to the victims of the recent hurricane. I'm sure you
have helped the citizens of Nova Roma, and the victims of Hurricane
Katrina, with them.

Vale,

Q. Caecilius Metellus

Celetrus:
You obviously have an extremely negative opinion of me; of which you are
entitled to. It is unfortunate that you feel this way. I believe that it is
best, for me, to let you keep your current position than to try and convince
you otherwise as it is apparent to me that no matter what I do you will find
fault in it.
I have no desire to engage in an assault of your character, as I really do
not know you. However, if you desire to continue to belittle me, and find
fault in me then so be it. Fire away, have at it, and enjoy.
Vale;
C. Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 9/9/05, Ambrosius Celetrus <Aulus.Ambrosius.Celetrus@...> wrote:
>
> Ambrosius Celetrus C.F. Buteoni Modiano
>
> David Kling wrote:
>
> > Celetrus;
> > You are welcome to apply to the Collegium Pontificum and awe us with
> > your
> > knowlege, and vision.
>
> Your invitation is both funny and saddening. Had it been made during
> last year's (2757 a.u.c.) Cerialia, which I helped with very marginally
> though enthusiastically, I would have been honored. I also would have
> had to decline because my knowledge of the Religio at that time was
> limited. I did, however, plan to apply for one of the open priesthoods;
> until it became clear that safeguarding your sinecures was the only
> activity that could rouse any of the CP to do anything.
>
> Now, after more than a year of watching the Gods and Goddesses go
> consistently and shamefully unhonored by all but a handful of NR's
> religious establishment, though I probably could add some insights to
> the Collegium's knowledge base, I can't think of nine other people I
> would least want to be associated with. Really, it would be like
> applying for a position on the board at Enron during the height of the
> scandal, or on Michael Brown's personal staff at FEMA.
>
> No, wait, it would be more like offering to assist Tullius Hostilius at
> the altar.
>
>
> > I would even welcome you showing us how it is supposed
> > to be done.
> > Vale;
> > C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> The last resort of the scoundrel who cannot, or will not, do his or her
> job. It's really rather simple, and every practitioner here in NR knows
> how to go about it: check the calendar to see what the upcoming feriae
> are, prepare a ritual and prayers, and offer it. You all claim to have
> been doing vast amounts of research recovering the forms of the Religio.
> What is the problem in appropriately honoring the Dii Immortales, if not
> either laziness, or that the research doesn't really exist?
>
> Your colleague, Fabius Maximus wrote this in Post 37091:
>
> "I remember an earlier Nova Roma where everybody just did their job, and
> no
> one expected props for doing so. Perhaps one day we shall return to
> that."
>
> You job, Modiane, your duty and your privilege, along with the rest of
> the CP's (have you forgotten that you are all honored to do this job for
> the citizens of Nova Roma?), is to offer public respect to the Gods and
> Goddesses of Rome - not when you feel like it, or remember it, but every
> single time it is called for, without fail. If you cannot do it. Step
> down.
>
>


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Q. Metellus C. Aureliae Quiritibusque sal. dic.

> I have hoped for some reflections, some guidance, some suggestions
> for rituals anchored in the Religio. More specifically, and more
> challenging, it would be helpful to me (and probably others of
> the RR) to see some reflections on the roles of the Deities, and
> the philosophical questions raised by the disaster from a RR
> perspective. Applied Religio Romana, as it were. A perfect
> example of a "teachable moment".

Perhaps, indeed, each citizen, each priest, each magistrate, each
senator who failed to make a response on this list, or on another list,
might be at fault for not doing so. If that were the statement, I might
indeed find myself in agreement. But that was not the statement.

It appears to me that the perception is that the Collegium Pontificum
holds the responsibility for the Religio on the whole. But if I may,
I'd like to quote from the often-quoted Prof. John Scheid, who says,
"His [a priest's] duties were limited to specific actions and did not
extend to general religious competence. No priest, not even the
pontifex maximus, was responsible in all areas."* Of course, that's
certainly not to mean that, for my own part, I have no interest in
offering what you, Gaia Aurelia, ask for above. In fact, my position is
quite the opposite. I just feel that the point needs to be made of
exactly over what a Roman priest, at least in the historic view, had
responsibility.

Certainly a bit of reflection on the roles of the various deities who
find themselves placed in the Religio Romana might be useful, and,
apparently, welcome. As to the philosophical questions, I'm afraid I
lack the competence to deal with much of anything philosophical, however
much I may covet my copy of the complete works of Plato.

In any case, I have refrained from using my title, or even taking my
oath, until I can be properly inaugurated, which I hope to complete at
the Elysium Gathering in Springfield, OH, USA, which both myself and
Pontifex Buteo will be attending, and at which I will be giving two
workshops on the Religio.

In a message dated 9/9/2005 2:18:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
marcusiuliusseverus@... writes:
Arminius, on the other hand, was ultimately victorious.
But let's put this in perspective. The Wald was a disaster, true, but
Hermann was never able to exploit it. Rome's Germanic allies stayed loyal, Tiberius
pulled legiones out of Hispania and Gaul, and with the Pannionan revolt
quelled the Romans were ready to invade
Germania. Augustus death slowed preparations and the I Germanica and XX
Victrix mutiny
was untimely, but Germanicus was able to recover the Roman dead, and bury
them, recover two eagles, give a drubbing to Herman at Idistavisio, (no matter
how hard Delbruck tries to whitewash it, when your charismatic chieftain flees
the field it is a defeat) and took the boundary rampart of Angrivarii. He also
made sure Hermann was neutralized. The Germans stayed independent, except
for the Lime tribes, but Germania was never going to be a true Roman province,
no matter how much wishful thinking was going on in Roman Imperial circles.
The lack of centralization would make such a thing impossible to administer.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Who was Dosseuus?

Answers, plus your Roman name, via private email (c_fabia_livia@...) please, within the next 24 hours.

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Ave Caecili Metelle,

"Q. Caecilius Metellus" wrote:

> Salve Ambrosi Celetre,
>
> I would like to thank you for your offerings, prayers, and spiritual
> guidance for and to the victims of the recent hurricane. I'm sure you
>
> have helped the citizens of Nova Roma, and the victims of Hurricane
> Katrina, with them.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Caecilius Metellus

:-) While I suspect the above is sarcasm, I will thank you anyway for
suggesting that the humble prayers I offer daily at my lararium have
any efficacy in either assuaging or ameliorating the conditions
afflicting Katrina's survivors.

Personally, I prefer more concrete acts. While I have, as I'm sure a
great many here have done also, donated money, for those of you like me
with a desire to do something physical and tangible, but cannot pick up
and join a Red Cross crew, I have a suggestion. Find an Indian or
Oriental grocer in your area, buy a few 20-25 lb sacks of rice and
lentils (or as many as are available and you can afford), and take them
to the bulk food collection areas that are being formed all about. There
is something far more satisfying spiritually to this, as opposed to
signing a check, or typing your credit card number. And one pound of
cooked lentils, with an equal amount of cooked rice, provides a protein
rich serving for at least 14 people.

Vale,
Ambrosius Celetrus


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Ambrosius Celetrus Q. Caecilio Metello s.d.

"Q. Caecilius Metellus" wrote:

> It appears to me that the perception is that the Collegium Pontificum
>
> holds the responsibility for the Religio on the whole.

"The Collegium Pontificum consists of XV priests who serve the public
rites of the State religion and have general authority to determine the
structure and nature of both the public rites and the priesthoods
themselves."
http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/priests_and_priesthoods.html

> I just feel that the point needs to be made of
> exactly over what a Roman priest, at least in the historic view, had
> responsibility.

To "serve the public rites of the State religion," something the current
Collegium Pontificum, of which you are now a member, consistently and
shamelessly fails to do.


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Ambrosius Celetrus C.F.B. Modiano s.d.

David Kling wrote:

> Celetrus:
> You obviously have an extremely negative opinion of me;

Actually, I have no personal opinion of you. I'm told that you are a
nice guy, but that is irrelevant.

It is only when you claim that you offer prayers as a pontifex on behalf
of Nova Roma, or to Dea Pomona as her flamen (here in NR, I don't care
what you do on the campuses of Ohio), when in fact you do not, that I am
roused to criticize both you, and your colleagues on the CP.

> I believe that it is best, for me, to let you keep your current
> position than to try and convince you otherwise as

To borrow from the Bard, "Aye, there's the rub." I don't recognize that
you, or any member of the CP, are in a position to "let" me be anything.
It would very much be otherwise if you people actually did your jobs,
and therefore commanded respect; but you don't and you don't.

> it is apparent to me that no matter what I do you will find
> fault in it.

Oh my, not true. Evidently you read but do not understand. Do your job,
offer (i.e. post) the prayers you say you do, take the auspices when you
are supposed to (and let us know the results), and I will be the first
to applaud you.

> However, if you desire to continue to belittle me, and find
> fault in me then so be it. Fire away, have at it, and enjoy.

I would not be able to find fault in you if you actually served "the
public rites of the State religion." So long as you say you do, without
actually doing so, I will "fire away," and "have at it." But I will not,
as I do not, enjoy it. This is all rather distasteful, and as far as I
can tell, futile.


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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Today is ante diem IV Idus Septembris; the day is comitialis.

"Patria est communis omnium parens." (Our native land is the common
parent of us all) - Cicero


"The consuls for the following year were C. Sulpicius and C. Licinius
Calvus. They resumed operations against the Hernici, and invaded their
territory, but did not find the enemy in the open. They attacked and
captured Ferentinum, a Hernican city; but as they were returning home
the Tiburtines closed their gates against them. There had previously
been numerous complaints made on both sides, but this last provocation
finally decided the Romans, in case the Fetials failed to get redress,
to declare war against the Tiburtines. It is generally understood that
T. Quinctius Pennus was the Dictator and Ser. Cornelius Maluginensis
the Master of the horse. According to Licinius Macer, the Dictator was
nominated by the consul Licinius. His colleague, Sulpicius, was
anxious to get the elections over before he departed for the war, in
the hope of being himself re-elected, if he were on the spot, and
Licinius determined to thwart his colleague's self-seeking ambition.
Licinius Macer's desire to appropriate the credit of this to his house
(the Licinii) lessens the weight of his authority. As I find no
mention of this in the older annalists, I am more inclined to believe
that it was the prospect of a Gaulish war which was the immediate
cause why a Dictator was nominated. At all events it was in this year
that the Gauls formed their camp by the Salarian road, three miles
from the City at the bridge across the Anio.

In face of this sudden and alarming inroad the Dictator proclaimed a
suspension of all business, and made every man who was liable to serve
take the military oath. He marched out of the City with an immense
army and fixed his camp on this side the Anio. Each side had left the
bridge between them intact, as its destruction might have been thought
due to fears of an attack. There were frequent skirmishes for the
possession of the bridge; as these were indecisive, the ques- tion was
left unsettled. A Gaul of extraordinary stature strode forward on to
the unoccupied bridge, and shouting as loudly as he could, cried: `Let
the bravest man that Rome possesses come out and fight me, that we two
may decide which people is the superior in war.' "- Livy, History of
Rome 7.9


"In Upper Egypt on the first day of the solar year by Coptic
reckoning, that is, on the tenth of September, when the Nile has
generally reached its highest point, the regular government is
suspended for three days and every town chooses its own ruler. This
temporary lord wears a sort of tall fool's cap and a long flaxen
beard, and is enveloped in a strange mantle. With a wand of office in
his hand and attended by men disguised as scribes, executioners, and
so forth, he proceeds to the Governor's house. The latter allows
himself to be deposed; and the mock king, mounting the throne, holds a
tribunal, to the decisions of which even the governor and his
officials must bow. After three days the mock king is condemned to
death; the envelope or shell in which he was encased is committed to
the flames, and from its ashes the Fellah creeps forth. The custom
perhaps points to an old practice of burning a real king in grim
earnest." - Sir James Frazer, "The Golden Bough", ch. 25


In ancient Greece today was celebrated in honor of Asclepigenia of
Athens; a younger contemporary of Hypatia. Asclepigenia taught in the
neo-Platonic school in Athens, which was headed by her father. As a
Pagan philosopher, she attempted to understand and master the "secret"
principles of metaphysics which controlled the universe. Asclepigenia
applied magic and theurgic principles to affect fate and she applied
her knowledge of Plato and Aristotle to the great religious and
metaphysical questions raised by Christian ethical theory.

She believed that fates were potentially changeable if one had a clear
understanding of metaphysics, cosmology, magic, and theurgy. She
tended more toward mysticism, magic, and contemplation of the
mysteries of Platonic and Aristotelian metaphysics. Upon the death of
her father, Asclepigenia, along with her brother and a colleague,
inherited the direction of the Academy, and her most famous student
was the philosopher, Proclus.

Asclepigenia was named for Asclepius. Asclepius was a Greek hero who
later become the Greek god of medicine and healing. The son of Apollo
and Coronis, Asclepius had five daughters, Aceso, Iaso, Panacea,
Aglaea and Hygieia. He was worshipped throughout the Greek world but
his most famous sanctuary was located in Epidaurus which is situated
in the northeastern Peloponnese. The main attribute of Asclepius is a
physician's staff with an Asclepian snake wrapped around it; this is
how he was distinguished in the art of healing, and his attribute
still survives to this day as the symbol of the modern medical
profession. The cock was also sacred to Asclepius and was the bird
they sacrificed as his altar.

The mother of Asclepius, Coronis, was a mortal, the daughter of
Phlegyas, a king of Thessaly. Coronis was unfaithful to Apollo, and
Artemis, Apollo's twin sister, killed her for her unfaithfulness.
Coronis was placed upon a funeral pyre. (One version says that Apollo
cast her into the fires of his own anger.) As her body started to
burn, Apollo felt sorrow for his unborn son and snatched the child
Asclepius from his mother's corpse, saving him from death. Apollo then
handed Asclepius to the Centaur Chiron who became his tutor and
mentor. Chiron taught Asclepius the art of healing. According to
Pindar (Pythian Odes), Asclepius also acquired the knowledge of
surgery, the use of drugs, love potions and incantations, and
according to Apollodorus (the Library), Athena gave Asclepius a magic
potion made from the blood of the Gorgon. Legend tells that the blood
of the Gorgon has a different effect depending from which side the
blood was taken. If taken from the right side of the Gorgon, it has a
miraculous effect and is said to be able to bring the dead back to
life, but taken from the left side it is a deadly poison.

With these gifts Asclepius exceeded the fringes of human knowledge.
However, he offended the great god Zeus by accepting money in exchange
for raising the dead. (In one version it was the goddess Artemis who
implored Asclepius to resurrect Hippolytus, a favourite of hers.) In
the eyes of Zeus, Asclepius' action upset the natural order of the
universe - a mere mortal helping man evade death. With one swift
action, the great Zeus sent down a thunderbolt killing both men. (In
some versions Zeus only killed Asclepius). Realising the good
Asclepius had brought to man, the great Zeus made him into a god,
placing him among the stars, transforming Asclepius into the
constellation Ophiuchus (the serpent-bearer). The snake was used in
the healing ritual; non-poisonous snakes were left in the dormitory
where the sick slept overnight on the bare ground.

The cult of Asclepius became very popular during the 300s B.C. and the
cult centres (known as an Asclepieion) were used by priests to cure
the sick. Invalids also came to the shrines of Asclepius to find cures
for their ailments (in the same fashion pilgrims visit Lourdes today.)
The process of healing was known as incubation. The patient would
spend the night in a dormitory. During the night they would supposedly
be visited by the god in a dream. Priests would interpret the dreams
and then recommend a remedy or give advice on how they could be cured
with perhaps a recommended visit to the baths and gymnasiums. There
were many centres and schools of medicine, from Trikkis in Thessaly to
the island of Cos. It is believed that Hippocrates, a great doctor of
antiquity, plied his trade on the island of Cos. It is also said that
Hippocrates was a descendant of Asclepius.

The Romans adopted the cult of Asclepius, but changed his name to
Latin; they called him Aesculapius.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Texts/latin_TOC.html),
Aesclepigenia (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/9974/old.html),
Aesclepius ("Asclepius." Encyclopedia Mythica from Encyclopedia
Mythica Online.
<http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/asclepius.html>)

Q. Metello A. Ambrosio sal.

> To "serve the public rites of the State religion," something the current
> Collegium Pontificum, of which you are now a member, consistently and
> shamelessly fails to do.

Well, Celetre, let's get right down to this one. First, I'm glad you
made the point "of which you are *now* a member" (personal emphasis
added). I've been a pontifex-designate for exactly seven days. During
that time, of course, I haven't done anything public, for one reason and
one alone, that being that I have yet not been inaugurated. However, I
can safely make it known that of the projects that I have started to
work on, hopefully soon, perhaps even ante inaugurationem, the biggest
and, to me, most important project, will make itself to the public light.

About what the Collegium "consistently and shamelessly fails to do."
There are a number of things which fall into this category. But, for
that matter, you could say that there are a number of things any given
priest, magistrate, or senator "consistently and shamlessly fails to
do." For one thing, as much as I hate to hear it myself, we are a
volunteer organization, and as such, it is not so unlikely that we will
have many of our people go inactive, or just not do something. For a
number of citizens, there is no reason to do whatever it is they may be
required to do. But for my own part, I intend to help bring about
change, and, at least from me, you can expect to see more activity than
you have seen in some pontiffs from the past. As I would put it, "I've
just been given the keys to my new office. Just let me get moved into
it, please."

Due to limitations of technology, the picture quiz is skipping a day - hopefully back to working order tomorrow!

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Salvete Omnes,

could anyone tell me where is now the site for the Magna Mater Project? (maybe I missed
something?) The link on the main site is not valid any more. Thank you.

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae




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Salve omnes,
I am aspiring to citizenship of Nova Roma, and I have not as yet,
attempted the Citizenship exam. I was wondering if there were any
guide lines on what should be studied for the exam, possible these are
posted on site and I have have missed them, if so where do I look,
please! If not could someone give a hint as to the general areas I
should study and the level of knowlege required.
Vale bene,
Sulpicia

Salve Sulpicia,

The exam questions are drawn from information made available in various
sections of the Nova Roma website. Just make a systematic study of the
various Res Publica, Pantheon, Cives, Via Romana, and Forum sections.

Vale,

Marinus

eve_merrickwilliams wrote:

> Salve omnes,
> I am aspiring to citizenship of Nova Roma, and I have not as yet,
> attempted the Citizenship exam. I was wondering if there were any
> guide lines on what should be studied for the exam, possible these are
> posted on site and I have have missed them, if so where do I look,
> please! If not could someone give a hint as to the general areas I
> should study and the level of knowlege required.
> Vale bene,
> Sulpicia

Gotta love them liberals... nah, NOT really.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mjk@...>
wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> Good article! What I note is that we are all

products of various

> times and eras. I remember people who were

considered terrorists

> around the world when I was a youngster also later

became national

> heroes, especially after decolonization and the rise

of the 60's

> open, liberal movements. This covered everyone from

Kenyetta to Che

> Guevera. A well known personality of 19th century

Canada, Louis

> Reil, a highly educated metis leader who led the

North West

> Rebellion and later hanged was a traitor when I was

young but now is

> exhonorated as a great leader and human right

activist who was

> unjustly put to death. I was just reading an article

on the history

> of piracy and the author pointed out that these

people were not a

> particularily pleasant lot and he was concerned that

the Robin Hood

> impression we are given of them today is somewhat

akin to making Ben

> Laden a hero and champion of the people a few

hundred years from now.

>
> Rome did a lot for Europe and did much to advance

western

> civilization. The in thing today is this evil empire

concept which I

> find funny at times since empires, while certainly

have been wrong

> on some of their policies or decsions, still brought

a lot of

> positive benifits to their colonies or scattered

warring disunited

> tribes. Think of the development of Roman roads to

the British

> railways around the world and their infrastructures

as one example.

>
> Now one gripe I have about Arminius' character was

that he profited

> by being a turn coat. He took the " Saxon shilling "

as the Irish

> rebel song says of others, collaborated as an

officer in the Roman

> army which ultimately lead to his victory in the

forest since he

> knew the Roman tactics.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL•SEVERVS
> <marcusiuliusseverus@l...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > I thought this piece of information could be of

some interest,

> specially because offers some clues for later

historical events...

> >
> > The name of the Teutoburg Forest in Germany will

forever be

> connected to one of the most famous battles from

ancient history,

> the clades Variana, the defeat of the Roman general

Varus. In

> September 9 CE, a coalition of Germanic tribes, led

by a nobleman

> named Arminius, defeated the Seventeenth,

Eighteenth, and Nineteenth

> legions and forced their commander Publius

Quintilius Varus to

> commit suicide. The result of the battle was that

Germania remained

> independent and was never included in the Roman

empire.

> > In the nineteenth century, the battle became a

powerful national

> symbol. In 1806, the French army of Napoleon

Bonaparte decisively

> beat the armies of the German states. The

humiliation was too big

> for the Germans, who started to look to the battle

in the Teutoburg

> Forest as their finest hour. As Napoleon spoke a

romanic language

> and presented himself as a Roman emperor, it was

easy for the

> Germans to remind each other that they had once

before defeated the

> welschen Erbfeind - an untranslatable expression

that refers to the

> Latin speaking archenemies of Germany. The Teutoburg

Forest became

> the symbol of the eternal opposition between the

overcivilised and

> decadent Latin and the creative and vital Germanic

people, between

> old France and new Germany.
> > To make the connection between the noble savages

of Antiquity and

> the modern nation closer, the Germanic war leader

whose name had

> been rendered by the Romans as Arminius was referred

to by his

> (presumed) real Germanic name: Hermann. Already

famous in the days

> of Martin Luther, who invented the name Hermann, the

Germanic leader

> became a very popular hero in nineteenth-century and

early twentieth-

> century Germany, and a symbol of national unity that

could be used

> on almost any occasion. For example, in 1809, the

romantic poet

> Heinrich von Kleist (1777-1811) wrote a play called

Die

> Hermannsschlacht, to inspire the Germans to a natio

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Gaius Aemilius Papinianus omnibus salutem!

Scelestis Germanus Josef Victor von Scheffel anno 1847 conscripsit de
clade Variana (melodia musica utitur J. Gungli) carmen quod in
Germania omnis puer novit:

Als die Römer frech geworden,
Sim serim sim sim sim sim,
Zogen sie nach Deutschlands Norden,
Sim serim sim sim sim sim,
Vorne mit Trompetenschall,
Te rä tä tä tä te rä,
Ritt der Generalfeldmarschall,
Te rä tä tä tä te rä,
Herr Quintilius Varus,
Wau, wau, wau, wau, wau,
Herr Quintilius Varus,
|: Schnäde räng täng :|
Schnäde räng täng, de räng täng täng

2. In dem Teutoburger Walde,
Huh! Wie piff der Wind so kalte,
Raben folgen durch die Luft,
Und es war ein Moderduft,
Wie von Blut und Leichen,


3. Plötzlich aus des Waldes Duster
Brachen kampfhaft die Cherusker,
Mit Gott für Fürst und Vaterland
Stürtzen sie sich wutentbrannt
Auf die Legionen.


4. Weh, das ward ein großer Morden,
Sie schlugen die Kohorten,
Nur die röm'sche Reiterei
Rettete sich noch ins Frei',
Denn sie war zu Pferde.

5. O Quintili, armer Feldherr,
Dachtest du, daß so die Welt wär'?
Er geriet in einen Sumpf,
Verlor zwei Stiefel und einen Strumpf
Und blieb elend stecken.

6. Da sprach er voll Ärgernussen
Zum Centurio Titiussen:
Kam'rad, zeuch dein Schwert hervor
Und von hinten mich durchbor,
Da doch alles futsch ist.

7. In dem armen röm'schen Heere
Diente auch als volontäre
Scävola, ein Rechtskandidat,
Den man schnöd gefangen hat,
Wie die andern all.

8. Diesem ist es schlimm ergangen,
Eh daß man ihn aufgehangen,
Stach man ihm durch Zung und Herz,
Nagelte ihn hinterwärts
Auf sein corpus iuris.

9. Als die Waldschlacht war zu Ende,
Rieb Fürst Hermann sich die Hände,
Und um seinen Sieg zu weih'n,
Lud er die Cherusker ein
Zu 'nem großen Frühstück.

10. Hu, da gab's westfäl'schen Schinken,
Bier, soviel man wollte trinken;
Auch im Zechen blieb er Held,
Doch auch seine Frau Thusneld
Trank walkürenmäßig.

11. Nur in Rom war man nicht heiter,
Sondern kaufte Trauerkleider;
G'rade als beim Mittagsmahl
Augustus saß im Kaisersaal,
Kam die Trauerbotschaft.

12. Erst blieb ihm vor jähem Schrecken
Ein Stück Pfau im Halse stecken,
Dann geriet er außer sich
Und schrie: Varus, Fluch auf dich,
Redde legiones!

13. Sein deutscher Sklave, Schmidt geheißen,
Dacht': Ihn soll das Mäusle beißen,
Wenn er sie je wieder kriegt,
Denn wer einmal tot daliegt,
Wird nicht mehr lebendig.

14. Und zu Ehren der Geschichten
Tat ein Denkmal man errichten,
Deutschlands Kraft und Einigkeit
Kündet es jetzt weit und breit:
"Mögen sie nur kommen!"

---------
What a scoundrel! ;)


Pax vobiscum.

Salve Romans

FYI

vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Nick Lowe, Richard C. Griffiths, R.M. Howe, Rochelle Altman,
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EARLY HUMANS
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Another piece on how early humans affected the climate:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4219818.stm<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4219818.stm>

The invention of the spear led to peace, supposedly:

http://tinyurl.com/852z5<http://tinyurl.com/852z5> (National Geographic)

They're still looking for 'Peking Man':

http://tinyurl.com/a635e<http://tinyurl.com/a635e> (IOL)
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ANCIENT NEAR EAST AND EGYPT
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A cuneiform tablet was found at Sidon:

http://tinyurl.com/al6hg<http://tinyurl.com/al6hg> (Daily Star)

A small statue of Anahita was found in an excavation near
Prague (!):

http://www.radio.cz/en/article/70476<http://www.radio.cz/en/article/70476>

A mummy has been found in a sarcophagus in Palmyra (!):

http://en.rian.ru/world/20050907/41327150.html<http://en.rian.ru/world/20050907/41327150.html>

At the Bam excavations, they've found evidence of food storage:

http://www.chn.ir/en/news/?id=5554§ion=2<http://www.chn.ir/en/news/?id=5554§ion=2>

The Mesopotamians apparently made the first cocktail:

http://tinyurl.com/9nc3n<http://tinyurl.com/9nc3n> (AGI)

The latest on the 'David's Palace' debate:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=622357<http://wwwhaaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=622357>

A press release calling for the world community to step in and
save the remains of Pasargadae from rising dam waters:

http://tinyurl.com/ab99v<http://tinyurl.com/ab99v>

but cf:

http://tinyurl.com/73jpg<http://tinyurl.com/73jpg> (Paleojudaica)

Lots of previews/hype about the opening of that Persian
exhibition at the British Museum:

http://tinyurl.com/79oty<http://tinyurl.com/79oty> (Guardian)
http://tinyurl.com/cd7x6<http://tinyurl.com/cd7x6> (IranMania)
http://tinyurl.com/8e8au<http://tinyurl.com/8e8au> (nice video report from Channel 4)
http://tinyurl.com/b453f<http://tinyurl.com/b453f> (Reuters)
http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_9483.shtml<http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_9483.shtml>
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,1566998,00.html<http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,1566998,00.html>

.. official site:

http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/persia/index.html<http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/persia/index.html>

.. slideshow:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4223246.stm<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4223246.stm>

We're getting some details on what's in that 'lost' collection
of Egyptian artifacts recently rediscovered in China:

http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/16113_cleopatra.html<http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/16113_cleopatra.html>

An 'interesting' dig at Qumran:

http://tinyurl.com/b3sn5<http://tinyurl.com/b3sn5> (Plainview Daily Herald)

A feature on the Theban Mapping Project:

http://www.christiansciencemonitor.com/2005/0907/p25s01-stct.html<http://www.christiansciencemonitor.com/2005/0907/p25s01-stct.html>

.. and the website itself:

http://www.thebanmappingproject.com/<http://www.thebanmappingproject.com/>

Some interesting stuff about the Temple of Karnak:

http://www.bangornews.com/news/templates/?a=119407<http://www.bangornews.com/news/templates/?a=119407>

UPenn archaeologists are returning to Iran after 26 years:

http://tinyurl.com/bdm5j<http://tinyurl.com/bdm5j> (Daily Pennsylvanian)

UNESCO is trying to get Israelis and Palestinians to cooperate
in regards to ancient monuments:

http://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/article.asp?idart=11868<http://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/article.asp?idart=11868>

Stephen Vicchio, "The Image of Ayyub (Job) in the Qu�ran
and Later Islam":

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Vicchio_Image_Ayyub.htm<http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Vicchio_Image_Ayyub.htm>

Exhibition ... Early Writing in Egypt and Mesopotamia:

http://tinyurl.com/8evvz<http://tinyurl.com/8evvz> (Age)

Exhibition ... The Art of Medicine in Ancient Egypt:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/nyregion/10papyrus.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/nyregion/10papyrus.html>
(nice slide show)
http://tinyurl.com/7gvpn<http://tinyurl.com/7gvpn> (Yahoo)
http://tinyurl.com/exms6<http://tinyurl.com/exms6> (Forbes ... same)

Review of *The Persian Gulf in Ancient Maps*:

http://www.chn.ir/en/news/?id=5559§ion=2<http://www.chn.ir/en/news/?id=5559§ion=2>

Review of Tom Holland, *Persian Fire*:

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/reviews/article310460.ece<http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/reviews/article310460.ece>
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/reviews/article309582.ece<http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/reviews/article309582.ece>
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,923-1760451,00.html<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,923-1760451,00.html>
http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/history/0,6121,1566336,00.html<http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/history/0,6121,1566336,00.html>

Review of Bruce Feiler, *Where God Was Born: A Journey by Land
to the Roots of Religion.*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/books/review/11swift.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/books/review/11swift.html>

Cyrus as a model for the US?:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1564038,00.html<http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1564038,00.html>

Egyptology News Blog:

http://egyptology.blogspot.com/<http://egyptology.blogspot.com/>
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ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)
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Toscana Oggi reports (in Italian) on the discovery of an
Etruscan necropolis at Cortona

http://www.toscanaoggi.it/news.asp?IDNews=5092&IDCategoria=1<http://www.toscanaoggi.it/news.asp?IDNews=5092&IDCategoria=1>

A Christian "pulpit" has been found at Peperikon:

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=52239<http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=52239>

Another piece on the brickworks of the Domitii:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1911432005<http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1911432005>

Haven't had a facial reconstruction in a while ... the latest
is on Leasowe Man:

http://tinyurl.com/dhfur<http://tinyurl.com/dhfur> (icLiverpool)

A Roman farm in Sedgeford:

http://tinyurl.com/djwmg<http://tinyurl.com/djwmg> (Lynn News)

Bill Wyman's a metal detectorist too:

http://tinyurl.com/9kkrq<http://tinyurl.com/9kkrq> (EADT)

Brief item on the discovery of a Roman temple in Syria:

http://tinyurl.com/dto8s<http://tinyurl.com/dto8s> (Sana)

Very vague item about an "ancient medallion" being unearthed
in Bulgaria:

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=52139<http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=52139>

Stephen Miller is still on the lecture circuit:

http://www.fresnostatenews.com/2005/09/0908conleylecture.htm<http://www.fresnostatenews.com/2005/09/0908conleylecture.htm>

Chatty piece on UND's survey (?) of a site near Larnaca:

http://tinyurl.com/bgx92<http://tinyurl.com/bgx92> (Blairsville Dispatch)

Repeat of that story on the hoard of Roman statuary from
Cyrene:

http://www.theartnewspaper.com/archaeology/archeology.asp<http://www.theartnewspaper.com/archaeology/archeology.asp>

Robocop and Rome:

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/343334p-292761c.html<http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/343334p-292761c.html>

A press release which seems to be a touristy thing on the
Necromanteion:

http://tinyurl.com/e4lm9<http://tinyurl.com/e4lm9>
cf: http://www.vancourier.com/issues05/091105/travel.html<http://www.vancourier.com/issues05/091105/travel.html>

Exhibition ... Mirror of Memory: Imagining Roman Antiquity in
19th Century Photography:

http://tinyurl.com/eyfbt<http://tinyurl.com/eyfbt> (Art Daily)

ClassCon in a piece about CSU:

http://tinyurl.com/cmemx<http://tinyurl.com/cmemx> (Cleveland Plain Dealer)

Jane Ellen Harrison was one of the ODNB lives of the week:

http://www.oxforddnb.com/public/lotw/3.html<http://www.oxforddnb.com/public/lotw/3.html> (you may have
to go back to the lotw main page to find it)

Interesting interview with Ridley Scott about the new Gladiator
release:

http://www.dvdactu.be/newsdetails.php?id=2626<http://www.dvdactu.be/newsdetails.php?id=2626>

Reviews keep trickling in about HBO's Rome:

http://tinyurl.com/dflot<http://tinyurl.com/dflot>

Review of Tom Holland, *Persian Fire*:

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/reviews/article310460.ece<http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/reviews/article310460.ece>
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/reviews/article309582.ece<http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/reviews/article309582.ece>
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,923-1760451,00.html<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,923-1760451,00.html>
http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/history/0,6121,1566336,00.html<http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/history/0,6121,1566336,00.html>

Review of Dan Simmons, *Olympos* (fiction):

http://tinyurl.com/daspq<http://tinyurl.com/daspq> (Guardian)

Review of Richard Hingley, *Globalizing Roman Culture: Unity,
Diversity, and Empire*:

http://www.classics.und.ac.za/reviews/06-13hin.htm<http://www.classics.und.ac.za/reviews/06-13hin.htm>

Review of a couple of books on the fall of the Roman Empire:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GI07Ak05.html<http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GI07Ak05.html>

Recent reviews from Aestimatio:

http://www.ircps.org/publications/aestimatio/rreviews.htm<http://www.ircps.org/publications/aestimatio/rreviews.htm>

Recent reviews from BMCR:

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/recent.html<http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/recent.html>

Recent reviews from Scholia:

http://www.classics.und.ac.za/reviews/2006.htm<http://www.classics.und.acza/reviews/2006.htm>

Cyrus as a model for the US?:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1564038,00.html<http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1564038,00.html>

An attack on Victor Davis Hanson by someone writing under a
pseudonym:

http://www.counterpunch.org/werther09072005.html<http://www.counterpunch.org/werther09072005.html>

Visit our blog:

http://www.atrium-media.com/rogueclassicism<http://www.atrium-media.com/rogueclassicism>
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EUROPE AND THE UK (+ Ireland)
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More on that Viking hoard find made by a couple of kids in
Norway:

http://tinyurl.com/99auw<http://tinyurl.com/99auw> (Guardian)

Searching for a lost settlement in Nottingham:

http://tinyurl.com/b6cer<http://tinyurl.com/b6cer> (BBC)

Assorted Medieval finds at Rushen Abbey:

http://www.manx.net/default.asp?id=18&articleid=4990<http://www.manx.net/default.asp?id=18&articleid=4990>

A statue of the Persian goddess Anahita was excavated near
Prague:

http://www.radio.cz/en/article/70476<http://www.radio.cz/en/article/70476>

A three-fingered glove was recently found in Flanders:

http://www.aalst.be/hopmarkt/default.asp?rubriek=153<http://www.aalst.be/hopmarkt/default.asp?rubriek=153> (Dutch)

Whittington has a somewhat tenuous 'grail connection' it might
want to exploit:

http://tinyurl.com/82vvu<http://tinyurl.com/82vvu> (Ham and High)

Wessex Archaeology's events Blog:

http://events.wessexarch.co.uk/<http://events.wessexarch.co.uk/>

Archaeology in Europe Blog:

http://www.archaeology.eu.com/weblog/index.html<http://www.archaeology.eucom/weblog/index.html>
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ASIA AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC
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An 8000 b.p. fishing boat from China:

http://tinyurl.com/7qgrq<http://tinyurl.com/7qgrq> (Chosun)

New Zealand Archaeology eNews:

http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm<http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm>
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NORTH AMERICA
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Another piece on Polynesians making it to California:

http://tinyurl.com/clp39<http://tinyurl.com/clp39> (LAT)

Assorted prehistoric artifacts were discovered during work
prior to construction of the Clifton Park library:

http://tinyurl.com/92b5b<http://tinyurl.com/92b5b> (Times Union)

Interesting item on preservation of assorted papers associated
with Benedict Arnold:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/nyregion/08archive.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/nyregion/08archive.html>

A survey's afoot in anticipation of park construction in NC:

http://tinyurl.com/bhpzv<http://tinyurl.com/bhpzv> (Daily Advance)

Searching for clues about the beginnings of the Seminole
people:

http://tinyurl.com/c5w5g<http://tinyurl.com/c5w5g> (SP Times)

A Gold Rush era ship is being excavated in San Francisco:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9239070/<http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9239070/>
http://tinyurl.com/9nswa<http://tinyurl.com/9nswa> (Chronicle)

Some mystery burials in Peterborough (Ontario):

http://www.mykawartha.com/ka/news/home/story/3012644p-3492824c.html<http://www.mykawartha.com/ka/news/home/story/3012644p-3492824c.html>

The Boston Globe has an interesting feature on 'native ingenuity':

http://tinyurl.com/bw7rd<http://tinyurl.com/bw7rd>

The latest video on the Archaeology Channel is about prehistoric
life in Arizona:

http://www.archaeologychannel.org/<http://www.archaeologychannel.org/>

The affect Katrina had on various sites/artifacts in Mississippi:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/garden/08history.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/garden/08history.html>

Exhibition ... Landon Americana collection:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/arts/design/09anti.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/arts/design/09anti.html>

Exhibition ... Slavery in New York:

http://slaveryinnewyork.org<http://slaveryinnewyork.org/>

Review of Mark Caldwell, *New York Night: The Mystique and Its
History*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/books/05grim.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/books/05grim.html>

Review of Gary Wills, *Henry Adams and the Making of America*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/books/review/11lingeman.html<http://wwwnytimes.com/2005/09/11/books/review/11lingeman.html>

Review of E. L. Doctorow, *The March* (fiction ... review by
John Updike):

http://tinyurl.com/behcg<http://tinyurl.com/behcg> (New Yorker)
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CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA
================================================================
Grand Saposoa is falling victim to tomb raiders:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9233051/<http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9233051/>
http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Sep/20050907News018.asp<http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Sep/20050907News018.asp>
http://tinyurl.com/9mvv9<http://tinyurl.com/9mvv9> (AP)
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1099584<http://abcnewsgo.com/International/wireStory?id=1099584>

Touristy thing on the Yucatan peninsula:

http://tinyurl.com/acdu5<http://tinyurl.com/acdu5> (Seattle Times)
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That Bronze Age style reed boat which was to retrace the ancient
trade route to India sank this week:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9269279/<http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9269279/>
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9229774/<http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9229774/>
http://tinyurl.com/ag29y<http://tinyurl.com/ag29y> (Telegraph)
http://tinyurl.com/covdm<http://tinyurl.com/covdm> (SMH)
http://tinyurl.com/dr9d8<http://tinyurl.com/dr9d8>

The Guardian has a piece on 'the academic novel':

http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,12084,1566401,00.html<http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,12084,1566401,00.html>

Interesting ad campaign in Italy to get Italians to appreciate
their artistic heritage:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/arts/design/10heri.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/arts/design/10heri.html>

In the wake of Katrina, the New York Times had a piece on
assorted other cities/monuments that had 'vanished':

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/06/science/06lost.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/06/science/06lost.html>

A possible previously-unknown Munch has been identified in
Germany:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/arts/07arts.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/arts/07arts.html> (2nd item)

What's Britain's greatest painting?:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/4214824.stm<http://news.bbcco.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/4214824.stm>

Touristy thing on Salonika:

http://tinyurl.com/cc8eo<http://tinyurl.com/cc8eo> (Jewish Week)

.. and one on Capri:

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1513/5604378.html<http://www.startribune.com/stories/1513/5604378.html>

.. and Granada

The British Library has put some Renaissance Festival books
online:

http://www.bl.uk/treasures/festivalbooks/homepage.html<http://www.bl.uk/treasures/festivalbooks/homepage.html>

Salon has an interesting item on 'fringe' archaeology and how
it sometimes gets in the way of 'real' archaeology:

http://tinyurl.com/97343<http://tinyurl.com/97343>

Exhibition ... Fra Angelico:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/arts/design/11kimm.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/arts/design/11kimm.html>

Review of Wendy Moore, *The Knife Man: The Extraordinary Life
and Times of John Hunter, Father of Modern Surgery.*:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/books/review/11roach.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/books/review/11roach.html>

The UK government has launched consultations into determining
what monuments must be saved 'at all costs' in the event of a
war or whatever:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1564187,00.html<http://wwwguardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1564187,00.html>

A mostly-accurate overview of the history of the Caesarean
section:

http://tinyurl.com/bmrvb<http://tinyurl.com/bmrvb> (Kuensel Online)
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GENERAL MAGAZINES AND JOURNALS
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Apollo (toc only):

http://www.apollo-magazine.com/index.php<http://www.apollo-magazine.com/index.php>

About.com Archaeology:

http://archaeology.about.com/<http://archaeology.about.com/>

Archaeoblog:

http://archaeoblog.blogspot.com/<http://archaeoblog.blogspot.com/>
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High tech looting of Greek shipwrecks:

http://tinyurl.com/a5xe9<http://tinyurl.com/a5xe9> (Boston Globe)

There's quite a dispute brewing between archaeologists and
government types over legislation which would ban the import of
antiquities from Italy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/politics/09antiquities.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/politics/09antiquities.html>

Grand Saposoa is falling victim to tomb raiders:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9233051/<http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9233051/>
http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Sep/20050907News018.asp<http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Sep/20050907News018.asp>

UNESCO claims that trafficking in 'cultural property' is second
only to the narcotics trade:

http://tinyurl.com/ahz5k<http://tinyurl.com/ahz5k> (Navhind Times)

Latest developments in the Marion True case:

http://tinyurl.com/crqen<http://tinyurl.com/crqen> (SMH)

Financial Times has an interesting feature on Maguire Gibson
and the current 'state of affairs' in Iraq:

http://tinyurl.com/7omju<http://tinyurl.com/7omju>
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NUMISMATICA
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Somewhat strange (it seems) dispute over ownership of an
Indian coin collection:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4204228.stm<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4204228.stm>

There's a Sassanid coin exhibition accompanying that British
Museum Persian exhibition:

http://www.chn.ir/en/news/?id=5582§ion=2<http://www.chn.ir/en/news/?id=5582§ion=2>

A professor visiting Pergamon found a 500 b.p. Ottoman Empire
coin:

http://tinyurl.com/aeqtn<http://tinyurl.com/aeqtn> (AScribe)

Interesting history of Scottish bank notes, which are now
threatened, apparently:

http://heritage.scotsman.com/ingenuity.cfm?id=1876402005<http://heritage.scotsman.com/ingenuity.cfm?id=1876402005>

An 1854 gold eagle is coming up for auction:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/06/national/06coin.html<http://www.nytimescom/2005/09/06/national/06coin.html>
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EXHIBITIONS, AUCTIONS, AND MUSEUM-RELATED
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The El Paso Archaeological Society and the El Paso Museum are
scrapping:

http://tinyurl.com/bu8e7<http://tinyurl.com/bu8e7> (El Paso Times)

The National Museum of Scotland is opening its 'unseen collection'
to the public:

http://news.scotsman.com/arts.cfm?id=1920422005<http://news.scotsman.com/arts.cfm?id=1920422005>

Changes are going on at the Field Museum:

http://tinyurl.com/7zhgc<http://tinyurl.com/7zhgc> (Chicago Tribune)

Financial Times has a nice feature on the Art Institute of
Chicago:

http://tinyurl.com/dcmvo<http://tinyurl.com/dcmvo>

For info on the status of Katrina-affected museums:

http://www.aam-us.org/aamlatest/news/HurricaneFirstReports.cfm<http://wwwaam-us.org/aamlatest/news/HurricaneFirstReports.cfm>

London and Beijing are going to exchange some archaeological
treasures:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1563323,00.html<http://wwwguardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1563323,00.html>
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A Kiss from Alexander:

http://tinyurl.com/8f5dt<http://tinyurl.com/8f5dt>

Julius Caesar:

http://tinyurl.com/8plfy<http://tinyurl.com/8plfy>

Iphigenia at Aulis:

http://www.sltrib.com/arts/ci_3018286<http://www.sltrib.com/arts/ci_3018286>
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Salve Romans FYIvaleTiberius Galerius Paulinus "Deep in the forest, the legions are lost.
The clamour of armour and brass,
the joyful perfection of youth and geometry,
of order and open space, is muffled beneath
the obscure chaos of indifferent branches
and enveloping gloom: deep in the forest,
the legions are lost.

How young we were,
and glorious, when in the full sun of
Roman days, we sought an Empire of Reason,
rather than a reason for Empire.
How old we are now, with arms too leaden
to embrace either a man or an ideal.

The forest is inscrutable, and whispers
the foreign words of wind through insensible leaves.
An occasional messenger, lame and thin,
brings news of battles, but in another place,
sometime already past.

His eyes are filled
with shadows. He says little we do not already
know: deep in the forest, the legions are lost."


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Salve Romans

It is interesting to note that Gaul, a long time part of the Roman world
attained nationhood a great deal earlier than Germania did even with the treachery of Arminius.

German nationhood came about nearly 1000 AFTER that of France (Gaul)

Might it have come about earlier if Germania had become a part of the Roman world?

A very interesting question.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Ye gods and little fishes! How could I have missed nthis one?!?!
Probably a mixture of fatigue and a desire to block such a horrible
event from my memory :-) Anyways, here it is:

"Scarcely had Tiberius put the finishing touch upon the Pannonian and
Dalmatian war when, within five days of the completion of this task,
dispatches from Germania brought the baleful news of the death of
Varus, and of the slaughter of three legions, of as many divisions of
cavalry, and of six cohorts - as though fortune were granting us this
indulgence at least, that such a disaster should not be brought upon
us when our commander was occupied by other wars. The cause of this
defeat and the personality of the general require of me a brief
digression.

Varus Quintilius, descended from a famous rather than a high-born
family, was a man of mild character and of a quiet disposition,
somewhat slow in mind as he was in body, and more accustomed to the
leisure of the camp than to actual service in war. That he was no
despiser of money is demonstrated by his governorship of Syria: he
entered the rich province a poor man, but left it a rich man and the
province poor. When placed in charge of the army in Germania, he
entertained the notion that the Germans were a people who were men
only in limbs and voice, and that they, who could not be subdued by
the sword, could be soothed by the law. With this purpose in mind he
entered the heart of Germania as though he were going among a people
enjoying the blessings of peace, and sitting on his tribunal he wasted
the time of a summer campaign in holding court and observing the
proper details of legal procedure.

But the Germans, who with their great ferocity combine great craft, to
an extent scarcely credible to one who has had no experience with
them, and are a race to lying born, by trumping up a series of
fictitious lawsuits, now provoking one another to disputes, and now
expressing their gratitude that Roman justice was settling these
disputes, that their own barbarous nature was being softened down by
this new and hitherto unknown method, and that quarrels which were
usually settled by arms were now being ended by law, brought
Quintilius to such a complete degree of negligence, that he came to
look upon himself as a city praetor administering justice in the
forum, and not a general in command of an army in the heart of
Germania.

Thereupon appeared a young man of noble birth, brave in action and
alert in mind, possessing an intelligence quite beyond the ordinary
barbarian; he was, namely, Arminius, the son of Segimer, a prince of
that nation, and he showed in his countenance and in his eyes the fire
of the mind within. He had been associated with us constantly on
private campaigns, and had even attained the dignity of equestrian
rank. This young man made use of the negligence of the general as an
opportunity for treachery, sagaciously seeing that no one could be
more quickly overpowered than the man who feared nothing, and that the
most common beginning of disaster was a sense of security. At first,
then, he admitted but a few, later a large number, to a share in his
design; he told them, and convinced them too, that the Romans could be
crushed, added execution to resolve, and named a day for carrying out
the plot.

This was disclosed to Varus through Segestes, a loyal man of that race
and of illustrious name, who also demanded that the conspirators be
put in chains. But fate now dominated the plans of Varus and had
blindfolded the eyes of his mind. Indeed, it is usually the case that
heaven perverts the judgment of the man whose fortune it means to
reverse, and brings it to pass -and this is the wretched part of it-
that that which happens by chance seems to be deserved, and accident
passes over into culpability. And so Quintilius refused to believe the
story, and insisted upon judging the apparent friendship of the
Germans toward him by the standard of his merit. And, after this first
warning, there was no time left for a second.

The details of this terrible calamity, the heaviest that had befallen
the Romans on foreign soil since the disaster of Crassus in Parthia, I
shall endeavor to set forth, as others have done, in my larger work.
Here I can merely lament the disaster as a whole. An army unexcelled
in bravery, the first of Roman armies in discipline, in energy, and in
experience in the field, through the negligence of its general, the
perfidy of the enemy, and the unkindness of fortune was surrounded,
nor was as much opportunity as they had wished given to the soldiers
either of fighting or of extricating themselves, except against heavy
odds; nay, some were even heavily chastised for using the arms and
showing the spirit of Romans.

Hemmed in by forests and marshes and ambuscades, it was exterminated
almost to a man by the very enemy whom it had always slaughtered like
cattle, whose life or death had depended solely upon the wrath or the
pity of the Romans. The general had more courage to die than to fight,
for, following the example of his father and grandfather, he ran
himself through with his sword. Of the two prefects of the camp,
Lucius Eggius furnished a precedent as noble as that of Ceionius was
base, who, after the greater part of the army had perished, proposed
its surrender, preferring to die by torture at the hands of the enemy
than in battle." - Vellius Paterculus, The Roman Histories Book
II.117-120

Valete bene,

Cato


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Saluete

Lucius Iulius Auspex omnibus s. d.

Did really the clades varina happened in the 9th of September of 9 a.c. In that case, by modern christian notation that date would numerically be 9-9-9, which is the inverted form of 666, the number of the beast. Very curious!

Valete

Lucius Iulius Auspex



Gaius Aemilius Papinianus <numerius2002@...> wrote:
Gaius Aemilius Papinianus omnibus salutem!

Scelestis Germanus Josef Victor von Scheffel anno 1847 conscripsit de
clade Variana (melodia musica utitur J. Gungli) carmen quod in
Germania omnis puer novit:

Als die Römer frech geworden,
Sim serim sim sim sim sim,
Zogen sie nach Deutschlands Norden,
Sim serim sim sim sim sim,
Vorne mit Trompetenschall,
Te rä tä tä tä te rä,
Ritt der Generalfeldmarschall,
Te rä tä tä tä te rä,
Herr Quintilius Varus,
Wau, wau, wau, wau, wau,
Herr Quintilius Varus,
|: Schnäde räng täng :|
Schnäde räng täng, de räng täng täng

2. In dem Teutoburger Walde,
Huh! Wie piff der Wind so kalte,
Raben folgen durch die Luft,
Und es war ein Moderduft,
Wie von Blut und Leichen,


3. Plötzlich aus des Waldes Duster
Brachen kampfhaft die Cherusker,
Mit Gott für Fürst und Vaterland
Stürtzen sie sich wutentbrannt
Auf die Legionen.


4. Weh, das ward ein großer Morden,
Sie schlugen die Kohorten,
Nur die röm'sche Reiterei
Rettete sich noch ins Frei',
Denn sie war zu Pferde.

5. O Quintili, armer Feldherr,
Dachtest du, daß so die Welt wär'?
Er geriet in einen Sumpf,
Verlor zwei Stiefel und einen Strumpf
Und blieb elend stecken.

6. Da sprach er voll Ärgernussen
Zum Centurio Titiussen:
Kam'rad, zeuch dein Schwert hervor
Und von hinten mich durchbor,
Da doch alles futsch ist.

7. In dem armen röm'schen Heere
Diente auch als volontäre
Scävola, ein Rechtskandidat,
Den man schnöd gefangen hat,
Wie die andern all.

8. Diesem ist es schlimm ergangen,
Eh daß man ihn aufgehangen,
Stach man ihm durch Zung und Herz,
Nagelte ihn hinterwärts
Auf sein corpus iuris.

9. Als die Waldschlacht war zu Ende,
Rieb Fürst Hermann sich die Hände,
Und um seinen Sieg zu weih'n,
Lud er die Cherusker ein
Zu 'nem großen Frühstück.

10. Hu, da gab's westfäl'schen Schinken,
Bier, soviel man wollte trinken;
Auch im Zechen blieb er Held,
Doch auch seine Frau Thusneld
Trank walkürenmäßig.

11. Nur in Rom war man nicht heiter,
Sondern kaufte Trauerkleider;
G'rade als beim Mittagsmahl
Augustus saß im Kaisersaal,
Kam die Trauerbotschaft.

12. Erst blieb ihm vor jähem Schrecken
Ein Stück Pfau im Halse stecken,
Dann geriet er außer sich
Und schrie: Varus, Fluch auf dich,
Redde legiones!

13. Sein deutscher Sklave, Schmidt geheißen,
Dacht': Ihn soll das Mäusle beißen,
Wenn er sie je wieder kriegt,
Denn wer einmal tot daliegt,
Wird nicht mehr lebendig.

14. Und zu Ehren der Geschichten
Tat ein Denkmal man errichten,
Deutschlands Kraft und Einigkeit
Kündet es jetzt weit und breit:
"Mögen sie nur kommen!"

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Salve Tiberi Galeri,

I checked a scenario out where Rome was successful in Germany. It is
quite interesting but at the same time I agree with QFM's point of
view about the impracticality of keeping that region centralized and
governable from Rome.

Here it is with the maps:

http://www.geocities.com/davidbofinger/rome.htm

Regards,

QLP



-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...> wrote:

> Salve Romans
>
> It is interesting to note that Gaul, a long time part of the Roman

world

> attained nationhood a great deal earlier than Germania did even

with the treachery of Arminius.

>
> German nationhood came about nearly 1000 AFTER that of France

(Gaul)

>
> Might it have come about earlier if Germania had become a part of

the Roman world?

>
> A very interesting question.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gaiusequitiuscato<mailto:mlcinnyc@y...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:37 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Battle of the Teutoburg Forest
>
>
> OSD G. Equitius Cato
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> Ye gods and little fishes! How could I have missed nthis

one?!?!

> Probably a mixture of fatigue and a desire to block such a

horrible

> event from my memory :-) Anyways, here it is:
>
> "Scarcely had Tiberius put the finishing touch upon the

Pannonian and

> Dalmatian war when, within five days of the completion of this

task,

> dispatches from Germania brought the baleful news of the death of
> Varus, and of the slaughter of three legions, of as many

divisions of

> cavalry, and of six cohorts - as though fortune were granting us

this

> indulgence at least, that such a disaster should not be brought

upon

> us when our commander was occupied by other wars. The cause of

this

> defeat and the personality of the general require of me a brief
> digression.
>
> Varus Quintilius, descended from a famous rather than a high-born
> family, was a man of mild character and of a quiet disposition,
> somewhat slow in mind as he was in body, and more accustomed to

the

> leisure of the camp than to actual service in war. That he was no
> despiser of money is demonstrated by his governorship of Syria:

he

> entered the rich province a poor man, but left it a rich man and

the

> province poor. When placed in charge of the army in Germania, he
> entertained the notion that the Germans were a people who were

men

> only in limbs and voice, and that they, who could not be subdued

by

> the sword, could be soothed by the law. With this purpose in

mind he

> entered the heart of Germania as though he were going among a

people

> enjoying the blessings of peace, and sitting on his tribunal he

wasted

> the time of a summer campaign in holding court and observing the
> proper details of legal procedure.
>
> But the Germans, who with their great ferocity combine great

craft, to

> an extent scarcely credible to one who has had no experience with
> them, and are a race to lying born, by trumping up a series of
> fictitious lawsuits, now provoking one another to disputes, and

now

> expressing their gratitude that Roman justice was settling these
> disputes, that their own barbarous nature was being softened

down by

> this new and hitherto unknown method, and that quarrels which

were

> usually settled by arms were now being ended by law, brought
> Quintilius to such a complete degree of negligence, that he came

to

> look upon himself as a city praetor administering justice in the
> forum, and not a general in command of an army in the heart of
> Germania.
>
> Thereupon appeared a young man of noble birth, brave in action

and

> alert in mind, possessing an intelligence quite beyond the

ordinary

> barbarian; he was, namely, Arminius, the son of Segimer, a

prince of

> that nation, and he showed in his countenance and in his eyes

the fire

> of the mind within. He had been associated with us constantly on
> private campaigns, and had even attained the dignity of

equestrian

> rank. This young man made use of the negligence of the general

as an

> opportunity for treachery, sagaciously seeing that no one could

be

> more quickly overpowered than the man who feared nothing, and

that the

> most common beginning of disaster was a sense of security. At

first,

> then, he admitted but a few, later a large number, to a share in

his

> design; he told them, and convinced them too, that the Romans

could be

> crushed, added execution to resolve, and named a day for

carrying out

> the plot.
>
> This was disclosed to Varus through Segestes, a loyal man of

that race

> and of illustrious name, who also demanded that the conspirators

be

> put in chains. But fate now dominated the plans of Varus and had
> blindfolded the eyes of his mind. Indeed, it is usually the case

that

> heaven perverts the judgment of the man whose fortune it means to
> reverse, and brings it to pass -and this is the wretched part of

it-

> that that which happens by chance seems to be deserved, and

accident

> passes over into culpability. And so Quintilius refused to

believe the

> story, and insisted upon judging the apparent friendship of the
> Germans toward him by the standard of his merit. And, after this

first

> warning, there was no time left for a second.
>
> The details of this terrible calamity, the heaviest that had

befallen

> the Romans on foreign soil since the disaster of Crassus in

Parthia, I

> shall endeavor to set forth, as others have done, in my larger

work.

> Here I can merely lament the disaster as a whole. An army

unexcelled

> in bravery, the first of Roman armies in discipline, in energy,

and in

> experience in the field, through the negligence of its general,

the

> perfidy of the enemy, and the unkindness of fortune was

surrounded,

> nor was as much opportunity as they had wished given to the

soldiers

> either of fighting or of extricating themselves, except against

heavy

> odds; nay, some were even heavily chastised for using the arms

and

> showing the spirit of Romans.
>
> Hemmed in by forests and marshes and ambuscades, it was

exterminated

> almost to a man by the very enemy whom it had always slaughtered

like

> cattle, whose life or death had depended solely upon the wrath

or the

> pity of the Romans. The general had more courage to die than to

fight,

> for, following the example of his father and grandfather, he ran
> himself through with his sword. Of the two prefects of the camp,
> Lucius Eggius furnished a precedent as noble as that of Ceionius

was

> base, who, after the greater part of the army had perished,

proposed

> its surrender, preferring to die by torture at the hands of the

enemy

> than in battle." - Vellius Paterculus, The Roman Histories Book
> II.117-120
>
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>
> Cato
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Today is ante diem III Idus Septembris; the day is comitialis.

"A long silence followed. The best and bravest of the Romans made no
sign; they felt ashamed of appearing to decline the challenge, and yet
they were reluctant to expose themselves to such terrible danger.
Thereupon T. Manlius, the youth who had protected his father from the
persecution of the tribune, left his post and went to the Dictator.`
Without your orders, General,' he said, 'I will never leave my post to
fight, no, not even if I saw that victory was certain ; but if you
give me permission I want to show that monster as he stalks so proudly
in front of their lines that I am a scion of that family which hurled
the troop of Gauls from the Tarpeian rock.' Then the Dictator:
`Success to your courage, T. Manlius, and to your affection for your
father and your fatherland . Go, and with the help of the gods show
that the name of Rome is invincible.' Then his comrades fastened on
his armour; he took an infantry shield and a Spanish sword as better
adapted for close fighting; thus armed and equipped they led him for-
ward against the Gaul, who was exulting in his brute strength, and
even--the ancients thought this worth recording--putting his tongue
out in derision. They retired to their posts and the two armed
champions were left alone in the midst, more after the manner of a
scene on the stage than under the conditions of serious war, and to
those who judged by appearances, by no means equally matched. The one
was a creature of enormous bulk, resplendent in a many-coloured coat
and wearing painted and gilded armour; the other a man of average
height, and his arms, useful rather than ornamental, gave him quite an
ordinary appearance. There was no singing of war-songs, no prancing
about, no silly brandishing of weapons. With a breast full of courage
and silent wrath Manlius reserved all his ferocity for the actual
moment of conflict. When they had taken their stand between the two
armies, while so many hearts around them were in suspense between hope
and fear, the Gaul, like a great over- hanging mass, held out his
shield on his left arm to meet his adversary's blows and aimed a
tremendous cut downwards with his sword. The Roman evaded the blow,
and pushing aside the bottom of the Gaul's shield with his own, he
slipped under it close up to the Gaul, too near for him to get at him
with his sword. Then turning the point of his blade upwards, he gave
two rapid thrusts in succession and stabbed the Gaul in the belly and
the groin, laying his enemy prostrate over a large extent of ground.
He left the body of his fallen foe undespoiled with the exception of
his chain, which though smeared with blood he placed round his own
neck. Astonishment and fear kept the Gauls motionless; the Romans ran
eagerly forward from their lines to meet their warrior, and amidst
cheers and con- gratulations they conducted him to the Dictator. In
the doggerel verses which they extemporised in his honour they called
him Torquatus ("adorned with a chain"), and this soubriquet became for
his posterity a proud family name. The Dictator gave him a golden
crown, and before the whole army alluded to his victory in terms of
the highest praise." - Livy, History of Rome 7.10


On this day in A.D. 2001, 3,030 people were killed in the largest act
of terrorism in United States history in attacks on the Pentagon in
Washington, D.C. and the World Trade Center in New York City. Requiem
aeterna dona eis Domine.

Valete bene!

Cato

Salvete Quirites!

I would like to ask you, People of Nove Roma, to help me in a certain case.

I am seeking Senator C. Merullus who is the owner of mailig list Nova Roma Vizantia. This ML is for Europe and Asia and the whole East.

I would like to undertake the moderation of that currently dead ML and restore to life because Europe and particulary the not-English-speaker Europe would need an own ML.

Illustris Senator Merullus has promised that help us in this matter -- but then he disappeared.

You can ask the question why not create simply a new ML?

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> Salve Romans FYIvaleTiberius Galerius Paulinus

"Deep in the forest, the le

> gions are lost.
> The clamour of armour and brass,
> the joyful perfection of youth and geometry,
> of order and open space, is muffled beneath
> the obscure chaos of indifferent branches
> and enveloping gloom: deep in the forest,
> the legions are lost.
>
> How young we were,
> and glorious, when in the full sun of
> Roman days, we sought an Empire of Reason,
> rather than a reason for Empire.
> How old we are now, with arms too leaden
> to embrace either a man or an ideal.
>
> The forest is inscrutable, and whispers
> the foreign words of wind through insensible leaves.
> An occasional messenger, lame and thin,
> brings news of battles, but in another place,
> sometime already past.
>
> His eyes are filled
> with shadows. He says little we do not already
> know: deep in the forest, the legions are lost."
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--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mjk@...>
wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> Good article! What I note is that we are all

products of various

> times and eras. I remember people who were

considered terrorists

> around the world when I was a youngster also later

became national

> heroes, especially after decolonization and the rise

of the 60's

> open, liberal movements. This covered everyone from

Kenyetta to Che

> Guevera. A well known personality of 19th century

Canada, Louis

> Reil, a highly educated metis leader who led the

North West

> Rebellion and later hanged was a traitor when I was

young but now is

> exhonorated as a great leader and human right

activist who was

> unjustly put to death. I was just reading an article

on the history

> of piracy and the author pointed out that these

people were not a

> particularily pleasant lot and he was concerned that

the Robin Hood

> impression we are given of them today is somewhat

akin to making Ben

> Laden a hero and champion of the people a few

hundred years from now.

>
> Rome did a lot for Europe and did much to advance

western

> civilization. The in thing today is this evil empire

concept which I

> find funny at times since empires, while certainly

have been wrong

> on some of their policies or decsions, still brought

a lot of

> positive benifits to their colonies or scattered

warring disunited

> tribes. Think of the development of Roman roads to

the British

> railways around the world and their infrastructures

as one example.

>
> Now one gripe I have about Arminius' character was

that he profited

> by being a turn coat. He took the " Saxon shilling "

as the Irish

> rebel song says of others, collaborated as an

officer in the Roman

> army which ultimately lead to his victory in the

forest since he

> knew the Roman tactics.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL•SEVERVS
> <marcusiuliusseverus@l...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > I thought this piece of information could be of

some interest,

> specially because offers some clues for later

historical events...

> >
> > The name of the Teutoburg Forest in Germany will

forever be

> connected to one of the most famous battles from

ancient history,

> the clades Variana, the defeat of the Roman general

Varus. In

> September 9 CE, a coalition of Germanic tribes, led

by a nobleman

> named Arminius, defeated the Seventeenth,

Eighteenth, and Nineteenth

> legions and forced their commander Publius

Quintilius Varus to

> commit suicide. The result of the battle was that

Germania remained

> independent and was never included in the Roman

empire.

> > In the nineteenth century, the battle became a

powerful national

> symbol. In 1806, the French army of Napoleon

Bonaparte decisively

> beat the armies of the German states. The

humiliation was too big

> for the Germans, who started to look to the battle

in the Teutoburg

> Forest as their finest hour. As Napoleon spoke a

romanic language

> and presented himself as a Roman emperor, it was

easy for the

> Germans to remind each other that they had once

before defeated the

> welschen Erbfeind - an untranslatable expression

that refers to the

> Latin speaking archenemies of Germany. The Teutoburg

Forest became

> the symbol of the eternal opposition between the

overcivilised and

> decadent Latin and the creative and vital Germanic

people, between

> old France and new Germany.
> > To make the connection between the noble savages

of Antiquity and

> the modern nation closer, the Germanic war leader

whose name had

> been rendered by the Romans as Arminius was referred

to by his

> (presumed) real Germanic name: Hermann. Already

famous in the days

> of Martin Luther, who invented the name Hermann, the

Germanic leader

> became a very popular hero in nineteenth-century and

early twentieth-

> century Germany, and a symbol of national unity that

could be used

> on almost any occasion. For example, in 1809, the

romantic poet

> Heinrich von Kleist (1777-1811) wrote a play called

Die

> Hermannsschlacht, to inspire the Germans to a natio

=== Message Truncated ===


S P Q R

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Roman Citizen



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SALVE CATO ET SALVETE !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@y...>
wrote:

> OSD G. Equitius Cato
> Salvete omnes!
> Today is ante diem III Idus Septembris; the day is comitialis.

<<< On this day in A.D. 2001, 3,030 people were killed in the largest
act of terrorism in United States history in attacks on the Pentagon in
Washington, D.C. and the World Trade Center in New York City. Requiem
aeterna dona eis Domine.>>>

That day is in our memory like the one when the cowardice won in front
of the inocent peoples.
Our condolence.


provincia dacia

Salve,
Was CNN or FOX around? If so I'll look for you.
Quintus Servilius

On 9/11/05, raymond fuentes <praefectus2324@...> wrote:
>
> I tussled todayw/ a kid wearing a Lenin t-shirt with
> hammer & sickle.He resisted evacuation from his
> home.If we were CCCP troops hed be dead.He said
> whatever
> --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mjk@...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > Good article! What I note is that we are all
> products of various
> > times and eras. I remember people who were
> considered terrorists
> > around the world when I was a youngster also later
> became national
> > heroes, especially after decolonization and the rise
> of the 60's
> > open, liberal movements. This covered everyone from
> Kenyetta to Che
> > Guevera. A well known personality of 19th century
> Canada, Louis
> > Reil, a highly educated metis leader who led the
> North West
> > Rebellion and later hanged was a traitor when I was
> young but now is
> > exhonorated as a great leader and human right
> activist who was
> > unjustly put to death. I was just reading an article
> on the history
> > of piracy and the author pointed out that these
> people were not a
> > particularily pleasant lot and he was concerned that
> the Robin Hood
> > impression we are given of them today is somewhat
> akin to making Ben
> > Laden a hero and champion of the people a few
> hundred years from now.
> >
> > Rome did a lot for Europe and did much to advance
> western
> > civilization. The in thing today is this evil empire
> concept which I
> > find funny at times since empires, while certainly
> have been wrong
> > on some of their policies or decsions, still brought
> a lot of
> > positive benifits to their colonies or scattered
> warring disunited
> > tribes. Think of the development of Roman roads to
> the British
> > railways around the world and their infrastructures
> as one example.
> >
> > Now one gripe I have about Arminius' character was
> that he profited
> > by being a turn coat. He took the " Saxon shilling "
> as the Irish
> > rebel song says of others, collaborated as an
> officer in the Roman
> > army which ultimately lead to his victory in the
> forest since he
> > knew the Roman tactics.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL•SEVERVS
> > <marcusiuliusseverus@l...> wrote:
> > > Salvete omnes,
> > >
> > > I thought this piece of information could be of
> some interest,
> > specially because offers some clues for later
> historical events...
> > >
> > > The name of the Teutoburg Forest in Germany will
> forever be
> > connected to one of the most famous battles from
> ancient history,
> > the clades Variana, the defeat of the Roman general
> Varus. In
> > September 9 CE, a coalition of Germanic tribes, led
> by a nobleman
> > named Arminius, defeated the Seventeenth,
> Eighteenth, and Nineteenth
> > legions and forced their commander Publius
> Quintilius Varus to
> > commit suicide. The result of the battle was that
> Germania remained
> > independent and was never included in the Roman
> empire.
> > > In the nineteenth century, the battle became a
> powerful national
> > symbol. In 1806, the French army of Napoleon
> Bonaparte decisively
> > beat the armies of the German states. The
> humiliation was too big
> > for the Germans, who started to look to the battle
> in the Teutoburg
> > Forest as their finest hour. As Napoleon spoke a
> romanic language
> > and presented himself as a Roman emperor, it was
> easy for the
> > Germans to remind each other that they had once
> before defeated the
> > welschen Erbfeind - an untranslatable expression
> that refers to the
> > Latin speaking archenemies of Germany. The Teutoburg
> Forest became
> > the symbol of the eternal opposition between the
> overcivilised and
> > decadent Latin and the creative and vital Germanic
> people, between
> > old France and new Germany.
> > > To make the connection between the noble savages
> of Antiquity and
> > the modern nation closer, the Germanic war leader
> whose name had
> > been rendered by the Romans as Arminius was referred
> to by his
> > (presumed) real Germanic name: Hermann. Already
> famous in the days
> > of Martin Luther, who invented the name Hermann, the
> Germanic leader
> > became a very popular hero in nineteenth-century and
> early twentieth-
> > century Germany, and a symbol of national unity that
> could be used
> > on almost any occasion. For example, in 1809, the
> romantic poet
> > Heinrich von Kleist (1777-1811) wrote a play called
> Die
> > Hermannsschlacht, to inspire the Germans to a natio
> === Message Truncated ===
>
>
> S P Q R
>
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Salve

I would bet that Satan has already ruled through proxies Ivan the Great, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao.

I am sure we could find others to list.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: raymond fuentes<mailto:praefectus2324@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 2:49 PM
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Give Satan an inch and hed be a ruler.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com> <spqr753@...<mailto:spqr753@...>> wrote:
> Salve Romans FYIvaleTiberius Galerius Paulinus
"Deep in the forest, the le
> gions are lost.
> The clamour of armour and brass,
> the joyful perfection of youth and geometry,
> of order and open space, is muffled beneath
> the obscure chaos of indifferent branches
> and enveloping gloom: deep in the forest,
> the legions are lost.
>
> How young we were,
> and glorious, when in the full sun of
> Roman days, we sought an Empire of Reason,
> rather than a reason for Empire.
> How old we are now, with arms too leaden
> to embrace either a man or an ideal.
>
> The forest is inscrutable, and whispers
> the foreign words of wind through insensible leaves.
> An occasional messenger, lame and thin,
> brings news of battles, but in another place,
> sometime already past.
>
> His eyes are filled
> with shadows. He says little we do not already
> know: deep in the forest, the legions are lost."
>
>
> © All contents copyright the
author<mailto:literatus@...
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Salve Gnae Corneli,

I just spoke with Senator Merullus about this. He says he'll look at
his mainlist e-mail later this evening and I expect he'll contact you
about the mailing list then.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus wrote:

> Salvete Quirites!
>
> I would like to ask you, People of Nove Roma, to help me in a certain case.
>
> I am seeking Senator C. Merullus who is the owner of mailig list Nova Roma Vizantia. This ML is for Europe and Asia and the whole East.
>
> I would like to undertake the moderation of that currently dead ML and restore to life because Europe and particulary the not-English-speaker Europe would need an own ML.
>
> Illustris Senator Merullus has promised that help us in this matter -- but then he disappeared.
>
> You can ask the question why not create simply a new ML?
>
> Merullus' ML is created in 1999 and, with respect, I wouldn' like to change it with a new, "a younger"... This ML has a past, old members with lots of messages of great value in the archive and if we decide to leave it we decide to delete and ignore the work and history of seven years... If there is a chance to conserve this ML I want it. However if Merullus won't anwser my letter, I must create a new one.
>
> Please, if anybody knows how can I communicate with Senator C. Marius Merullus to help me. If there is somebody who used to communicate with Merullus, please tell him that I need his help!
>
> THANK YOU? QUIRITES!
>
>
>
>
>
> Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

L IUL SULLA S APOLLONIO SCIPIONI SD

I can answer your question: we are close to publish it. During these
days I am completing it with the society Informa; the following step
will be to show it to my Cohors, do the last corrections and show
the final results to our Cives.

BENE VALE
L IUL SULLA
Aedilis Curulis

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> Salvete Omnes,
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> could anyone tell me where is now the site for the Magna Mater

Project? (maybe I missed

> something?) The link on the main site is not valid any more. Thank

you.

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> Valete,
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> Sextus Apollonius Scipio
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> Propraetor Galliae
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Salve Cn Corneli

Please see my reply to your private e-mail.

Vale

C Marius Merullus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...>
To: "Nova Roma ML" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Does anyone know where is Senator C. Marius Merullus?


> Salvete Quirites!
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> I would like to ask you, People of Nove Roma, to help me in a certain
> case.
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> I am seeking Senator C. Merullus who is the owner of mailig list Nova Roma
> Vizantia. This ML is for Europe and Asia and the whole East.
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> I would like to undertake the moderation of that currently dead ML and
> restore to life because Europe and particulary the not-English-speaker
> Europe would need an own ML.
>
> Illustris Senator Merullus has promised that help us in this matter -- but
> then he disappeared.
>
> You can ask the question why not create simply a new ML?
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> Merullus' ML is created in 1999 and, with respect, I wouldn' like to
> change it with a new, "a younger"... This ML has a past, old members with
> lots of messages of great value in the archive and if we decide to leave
> it we decide to delete and ignore the work and history of seven years...
> If there is a chance to conserve this ML I want it. However if Merullus
> won't anwser my letter, I must create a new one.
>
> Please, if anybody knows how can I communicate with Senator C. Marius
> Merullus to help me. If there is somebody who used to communicate with
> Merullus, please tell him that I need his help!
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> THANK YOU? QUIRITES!
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A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

Since the Germans are in such a singing mood today, let us reply, in
Roman fashion. The following song is included in our Assimil textbook, 'La
Methode Assimil: le Latin sans Peine,' by C. Desessard,
Chennevieres-sur-Marne, 1966, pp.450-452.

Calix Sanctus (Holy Goblet)

1. Provinciae propinemus/celebrandae patriae!
Omnes ordine bibamus/merum nostrae vineae!

[Let us drink a toast to our province to honor our native land! Let
everyone in turn drink unmixed wine from our vineyard!

Chorus: Calix sancte, ignis plene,/Fund(e) animis,/
Ardorem funde laetum,/Viresque fortium.

2. Gentis liber(ae) et antiquae/optat cladem Barbarus:/
Lingua nostra si taceret,/Decus nostr(um) occideret.

[The Barbarian desires the destruction of a free and ancient race;/
if we keep silent (literally, 'if our tongue keeps silent'), our glory will
fail/fall.]

3. Immo gentis resurgentis/Prima simus semina!/
Et Latinae civitatis/Condamus fundamina.

[Indeed, we are the first seeds of a resurgent race, and let us
establish the foundations of a Latin state.]


It sounds better in Latin...and this is a song we Latinists consider
highly suitable as a national anthem for NR. A minor wording change will
make it even better.

Those who have the Assimil text and tapes can play this and practice it.

Valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica

Salvete Omnes,

I am new to the Nova Roma group and lopok forward to learning all I
can about the Roman way of life.

Valete,

Lucius Servilius Primus

G. Equitius Cato S. Octavio Vero L. Servilio Primo S.P.D.

Salvete viri!

Welcome to the Republic. If you have any questions do not hesitate to
contact any magistrate (or citizen) to ask.

Valete bene,

Cato

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est pridie Idus Septembris; haec dies comitialis est.

"Rem tene, verba sequentur." (Keep to the subject and the words will
follow) - Cato the Elder

"Strange to relate, that single combat had such a far-reaching
influence upon the whole war that the Gauls hastily abandoned their
camp and moved off into the neighbourhood of Tibur. They formed an
alliance offensive and defensive with that city, and the Tiburtines
supplied them generously with provisions. After receiving this
assistance they passed on into Campania. This was the reason why in
the following year the consul, C. Poetilius Balbus, led an army, by
order of the people, against the Tiburtines, though the conduct of the
war against the Hernici had fallen by lot to his colleague, M. Fabius
Ambustus. Though the Gauls had come back from Campania to their
assistance, it was undoubtedly by the Tiburtine generals that the
cruel depredations in the territories of Labici, Tusculum, and Alba
were carried out. To act against the Tiburtines, the republic was
content with a consul, but the sudden re-appearance of the Gauls
required a Dictator. Q. Servilius Ahala was nominated, and he selected
T. Quinctius as Master of the Horse. On the authority of the senate,
he made a vow to celebrate the Great Games, should the issue of the
war prove favourable. After giving orders for the consul's army to
remain where it was, in order to confine the Tiburtines to their own
war, the Dictator made all the "juniors" take the military oath,
without a single refusal. The battle, in which the whole strength of
the City was engaged, took place not far from the Colline Gate in the
sight of the parents and wives and children of the Roman soldiers.
Even when absent, the thought of those near and dear to one is a great
incentive to courage, but now that they were within view they fired
the men with a firm resolve to win their applause and secure their
safety. There was great slaughter on both sides, but the Gauls were in
the end repulsed, and fled in the direction of Tibur as though it were
a Gaulish stronghold. The straggling fugitives were intercepted by the
consul not far from Tibur; the townsmen sallied out to render them
assistance, and they and the Gauls were driven within their gates. So
the consul was equally successful with the Dictator. The other consul,
Fabius, crushed the Hernici in successive defeats, at first in
comparatively unimportant actions and then finally in one great battle
when the enemy attacked him in full strength. The Dictator passed
splendid encomiums on the consuls, both in the senate and before the
people, and even transferred to them the credit for his own success.
He then laid down his office. Poetilius celebrated a double triumph -
over the Gauls and over the Tiburtines. It was considered a sufficient
honour for Fabius to be allowed to enter the City in an ovation. The
Tiburtines laughed at Poetilius' triumph. "When," they said, "had he
ever met them in a pitched battle? A few of them had come outside
their gates to watch the disordered flight of the Gauls, but when they
found that they, too, were being attacked and cut down
indiscriminately they retreated into their city. Did the Romans deem
that sort of thing worthy of a triumph? They must not look upon it as
too great and wonderful a thing to create disorder in an enemy's
gates; they would themselves see greater confusion and panic before
their own walls." " - Livy, History of Rome 7.11


In ancient Greece today was held in honor of Astrea. Astraea ("the
star-maiden") is the daughter of Zeus and Themis. She was, as was her
mother, a goddess of justice. During the Golden Age, when the gods
dwelled among mankind, she lived on the earth. When evil and
wickedness increased its grip on humanity, the gods abandoned the
habitations of mankind. Astraea was the last to leave and took up her
abode among the stars where she was transformed into the constellation
Virgo; the scales of justice she carried became the nearby
constellation Libra.

5 Astraea is a large main belt asteroid. Its surface is highly
reflective (bright) and its composition is probably a mixture of
nickel-iron with magnesium- and iron-silicates. Astraea was the fifth
asteroid discovered, on December 8, 1845 by K. L. Hencke. It was his
first of two asteroid discoveries. The second was 6 Hebe. An amateur
astronomer and post office employee, Hencke was looking for 4 Vesta
when he stumbled on Astraea. The King of Prussia awarded him with an
annual pension of $300.00 for the discovery. Astrea is notable mainly
because for 38 years (since the discovery of Vesta in 1807) it had
been thought that there were only four asteroids. After the discovery
of Astraea, thousands of other asteroids would follow.



In ancient China today was held in honor of Meng Jiangnu. It was said
that 2,000 years ago when Qin Shihuang (the First Emperor of the Qin)
was building the Great Wall, a young man called Fan Xiliang was forced
to work on the construction of the Great Wall even on his wedding day.
Before Fan Xiliang went away, his bride, a girl named Meng Jiangnu,
took her white jade hairpin and broke it into two halves and gave her
husband one half as a token of love. Meng Jiangnu waited for her
husband at home for five years but did not hear a word from him. One
night, Meng Jiangnu had a bad dream. She dreamed that her husband was
constantly yelling: "Cold, cold!" She recalled that her husband was
wearing very thin clothes. Very soon, she made some padded clothes and
set off alone to look for Xiliang. After walking all the way on foot,
crossing mountains and rivers, Meng Jiangnu finally got to the
construction site of the Great Wall where she was told that her
husband had died and was buried under the Great Wall. Hearing this sad
news of the death of her beloved, she sat down at the foot of the
Great Wall and started crying. She cried day and night, and her
wailing made the wall fall. She finally saw her husband's bones under
the wall . This made Qin Shihuang very angry, and he ordered Meng
Jiangnu to be punished. When he saw the young lady, however, he was
immediately attracted by her beauty. He asked her to marry him. Meng
Jiangnu had to agree but asked for a grand funeral for her husband.
After the funeral, she and Qin Shihuang went for a trip on the Bohai
Sea. How could she marry the tyrant who had killed her husband? She
could not, so she jumped into the sea unseen by the guards. Now on the
shore of the Bohai Sea, beyond Shanhaiguan Pass there are two black
rocky reefs. According to legend, the round one is Meng Jiangnu's tomb
and the square one is her tomb tablet. Not far from her tomb, a temple
was built on a small hill to commemorate the lady of chastity.


In ancient Babylonia today was held in honor of the god Bel. Bel is
in the second rank of Babylonian deities, second only to the supreme
deity. This deity in Assyria was Asshur. He is recognized by most
authorities as Asshur, a son of Shem and grandson of Noah, who was
probably the hero and leader of one of the early migrations, and, as
founder of the Assyrian Empire, gave it its name --- his own being
magnified and deified by his warlike descendants. Assyria was the
oldest of the great empires, occupying Mesopotamia --- the vast plain
watered by the Tigris and Euphrates rivers --- with adjacent countries
to the north, west, and east. Its seat was in the northern portion of
this region, while that of Babylonia or Chaldaea, its rival, was in
the southern part; and although after many wars freed from the
subjection of Assyria, the institutions of Babylonia, and especially
its religion, were very much the same as those of the elder empire. In
Babylonia the chief god was called El or Il. In Babylon, although
Bab-el, their tutelary god, was at the head of the pantheon, his form
was not represented, nor had he any special temple for his worship.
The Assyrian Asshur placed kings upon their thrones, protected their
armies, and directed their expeditions. In speaking of him it was
"Asshur, my Lord." He was also called "King of Kings," reigning
supreme over the gods; and sometimes he was called the "Father of the
gods." His position in the celestial hierarchy corresponds with the
Zeus of the Greeks, and with the Jupiter of the Romans. He was
represented as a man with a horned cap, carrying a bow and issuing
from a winged circle, which circle was the emblem of ubiquity and
eternity. This emblem was also the accompaniment of Assyrian royalty.
Ranking after El in Babylon, Asshur in Assyria, and Baal in Phoenicia
--- all shadows of the same supreme God --- we notice among these
Mesopotamians a triad of the great gods, called Anu, Bel, and Hea.
Anu, the primordial chaos; Hea, life and intelligence animating
matter; and Bel, the organizing and creative spirit --- corresponding
basically to Iuppiter, Pluto, and Neptune in the division of authority
over the heavens, the underworld, and the oceans. The god Bel, in the
pantheon of the Babylonians and Assyrians, is the God of gods, and
Father of gods, who made the earth and heaven. His title expresses
dominion.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/Livy/), Astrea
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) and ("Astraea." Encyclopedia
Mythica. 2005. Encyclopedia Mythica Online.
12 Sep. 2005 <http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/astraea.html>.), Meng
Jiangnu
(http://www.warriortours.com/cityguides/beijing/gr
eat_wall/menjiangnu.htm), Bel
(http://www.abacci.com/history/history.aspx?historyID=105)