A. Apollonius M. Cassio omnibusque sal.

> Also, on a different topic: I just wanted to let
> anyone who would like to get married with a Roman
> Wedding Ceremony in the state of Maine that I would
> be willing to perform the ceremony. It would be
> legal since I am legally entitled to do so in Maine.
> The question is, what do I have to do to legally be
> able to do so in Nova Roma's eyes? (I will even
> invest in a new tunic & Toga if the demand is good
> for such ceremonies:-) Currently I only own a red
> tunic since I usually only re-enact a 1st Century
> Legionnaire with Legio III Cyrenaica. I will speak
> to Marcus Cassius Julianus shortly about this as
> well. He lives close by. If there is anyone that can
> answer this question sooner than I can see him this
> week sometime, please do so. I would certainly be
> willing to join the College of Pontifexes if that is
> necessary. A cursory look at the Nova Roma Religio
> web site did not answer this question.

There are two types of Roman marriage. One is a free
marriage, which requires no type of ceremony to come
into existence: a free marriage arises as soon as two
people live together as if married. Macronational
legal marriages are also recognized as free marriages
even if the couple does not live together.

There were, however, often some festivities and
celebrations held to mark the creation of a free
marriage, even though the celebrations were legally
irrelevant. No particular official is needed for these
traditional celebrations, but no doubt you could help
people organize some celebrations along these lines.
You can find some information about such celebrations
here:

http://www.pogodesigns.com/JP/weddings/romanwed.html

Some of Catullus' poems also describe such
celebrations, with artistic licence:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0005&query=head%3D%2362

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0005&query=head%3D%2363

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0005&query=head%3D%2364


There is a rarer type of marriage which can involve a
ceremony for its legal creation; this is
manus-marriage, which places the wife in the legal
power of her husband. It should not be entered into
lightly.

Manus-marriage can be contracted in three ways. First,
by confarreatio. This can only be performed by the
pontifex maximus. Second, by coemptio. This can be
performed by a consul, praetor, or provincial
governor, but not by anyone else. You could assist,
however, as a libripens (person who holds the scales)
or a witness (five witnesses are needed). Third, by
usus, which involves no ceremony and merely requires
the couple to go for a year without being separated
for three nights.



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Salvete,

First, no matter when you take (and pass) the test, you must wait
until the end of your 90-day probationary period to attain full
citizenship. One of the main reasons for the probationary period
is so that the new citizen can familiarize him/herself with Nova
Roma before becoming a full citizen. Therefore, it only makes
sense to wait to take the test until your probationary period is
coming to an end. The scriba who handled your application should
send you a letter a week or two before the end of your
probationary period to see if you are ready for your test.
Occasionally, due to turnover in scribae in the Officina
Approbationum, and sometimes basic human error, this is not done.
If your probationary period is almost over (this is calculated
from the date of your application, not the date of your
provisional citizenship) and you have not received a letter, you
can request the test by going to this page:
http://www.novaroma.org/contact.php. You can request it earlier,
if you think you are ready, but, again, we do encourage people to
take enough time to completely familiarize yourself with Nova
Roma, even if you are a scholar of Republican Rome.

Optime valete,

M. Martiana Gangalia Marcella
Rogatrix
Caput Officina Approbationum

--- Jose Damian <anzuya312@...> wrote:


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Apparently, they will send you the test shortly, I recently sent
in my application but have still not received word. How long did
you have to wait for a reply?

RANDALL HERRERA RIOS <sumvitaetal@...> wrote:Salve

Last week I was accepted as a new citizen of Nova
Roma. They told me I had to wait for 90 days to become
a member with full rights... after passing a little
test. Now I have a doubt. What am I supposed to do? Do
I have to wait for the test they are going to send me?
Or do I have to ask for it to be sent to me?
Please, help me.
This is simple, but I don't want to lose this
opportunity to become a member of Nova Roma just for
my idleness. I had to ask you!

Valete

Servius Iulius Pertinax



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Salvete Omnes,

I've just finished a book about Ptolemaic Egypt, and the last chapter
dealt with Caesar and Antony's....err....'relations' with Cleopatra
VII, and the conflict between the Triumvirs (if that's the right word)
that was played out in Egypt.

It then dawned on my that I have no idea what a Triumvirate is (other
than, obviously, it's three men calling the shots).

It's taken for granted that it was Caesar/Pompey/Crassus or
Octavian/Antony/Lepidus, but it's usually left at that. How did these
political groupings come about and what powers did they have?

vale

T. Octavius Salvius

LUDI ROMANI: Ludi Circenses

[Errata: Cn. Equitius Marinus' driver Petronius Gnipho
was erroneously called Petronius Gripho in yesterday's
report. Gnipho was also reported to have been bought
by Cn. Equitius last year, whereas in fact he has been
racing for Cn. Equitius for a number of years; last
year merely marked his return to racing after an
absence at sea. As a gesture of apology for these
errors, Petronius Gnipho has been awarded a marble
bath for his pet duck Aphlax. Now, on with the
race...]

***

As the fourth lap begins, Magnus is in the lead, then
Gnipho and Celeris, and Spandex last. Now Magnus is
really putting on speed. He's shaken off the confusion
which Spandex initially managed to cause him, and the
instincts acquired over several years of racing have
started working again. He understands Spandex'
strategy now: running on the outside and crowding the
other chariots into the turns, trying to cause an
accident. And he knows how to avoid it: reach the turn
ahead of the pack.

And so he nearly does; he rounds the turn a clear
three or four strides ahead of the others, but it's
still not quite far enough ahead to be completely out
of danger. Spandex is beginning to crowd Celeris to
the left now, and there's still a risk that he'll
collide with the rear of his team-mate's chariot; and
Gnipho is still on Magnus' left, hugging the spina as
closely as he dares. But the drivers keep their nerve,
and all pull out of the turn safely, with Magnus in
the lead. They pound toward the end of the fourth lap.
Spandex is dropping behind now, and as they reach the
next turn it's Magnus clear in front, Celeris and
Gnipho roughly level, and Spandex bringing up the
rear. The fourth dolphin is down.

Now Spandex is trying something else. He is certainly
resourceful! He drops right behind and then steers
over to the left. He's closer to the spina now than he
has been before in this race, and running directly
behind Gnipho and Celeris. Now he's putting on speed
again. His horses are soon galloping very close to the
rear of the two chariots in front. It's a very risky
tactic, but his horses are seasoned Spanish cavalry
horses and hold their nerve admirably. Celeris, a less
experienced driver, is now glancing over his shoulder
in worry at the horses almost biting at his heels.

Going into the turn Magnus is still clearly in the
lead and takes the turn at a leisurely pace, taking no
risks. This lets Gnipho close the gap somewhat, and he
comes out of the turn close on Magnus' heels. Celeris,
though, is distracted by Spandex close behind him, and
fails to take advantage of Magnus' slower pace,
letting Gnipho pull away in front of him. Back on the
straight it's Magnus, Gnipho, Celeris, and Spandex.

They're coming up to the end of the fifth lap now.
Gnipho takes the turn at a shallow angle, and manages
to draw level with Magnus; but Spandex lashes his
horses hard, puts on a burst of speed, and comes so
close to the back of Celeris' chariot that his horses
are almost hitting it with their hooves. Celeris turns
and raises his whip. This is another risk of Spandex'
tactics: it places his horses within easy reach of the
charioteer in front, and a well-placed strike with a
whip to a horse's face and eyes can make the horse
rear up or shy away, either of which can cause a
serious accident. Celeris' arm goes up... but he's
taken his eye off the track just as he's coming into a
tight turn. The axle of his chariot scrapes along the
stones of the spina with a shriek. Sparks fly. Caught
off balance, Celeris strikes off-target and hits
Spandex' lead horse on the ear. The horse whinnies and
shakes its head, slowing down and causing Spandex'
chariot to swerve worryingly.

As the fifth dolphin is lowered, the spectators are
holding their breath. Celeris' chariot screeches out
of the turn, wobbling but still upright. Spandex
manages to bring his horses back under control, but
he's lost a lot of speed and is falling behind by some
distance. Nonetheless, there is a collective sigh of
relief: it could have been much worse.

Now the pressure is really on: this is the second-last
lap. Gnipho springs into life, and applies the whip to
his horses with vigour; his horses seem to find new
reserves of energy and spring ahead of Magnus. Magnus,
however, has his own idea: allowing Gnipho to pass
him, he pulls in toward the spina to take the next
turn tightly. Meanwhile, Celeris sees that this is his
chance; but he's more concerned to get away from the
crazy German than he is about winning the race. He
lashes his horses to try to pull out of reach of
Spandex' dangerous tactics. Spandex, in turn, rallies
his horses and tries to regain his lost position.

As they come up to the turn, Magnus heads for the
spina at a very tight angle, Gnipho takes a less
demanding line; they pull clear neck and neck. Celeris
arrives next, but Spandex is already on his heels
again and getting very close. Celeris needs more
speed; he takes the turn as tightly as he can. But
what's this? His axle is straining under the stress of
the tight turn at high speed. It's already been bashed
in his early collision with his team-mate, and was
damaged by his scrape with the spina; this is more
than it can take. The wood splinters; iron bolts fly
through the air. Celeris knows he's lost it; now all
he's worried about is getting out alive. The reins are
wrapped around his waist; if he doesn't get free then
the horses will drag him along behind them, and that's
not to mention what could happen if they run in
different directions.

Celeris pulls out his knife and starts to hack at the
reins. But the broken axle finally gives way. The
chariot bucks and veers left, colliding with the stone
wall of the spina. Spandex pulls sharply on his own
reins to avoid running into the back of the
out-of-control blue chariot, but he's too close and
can't get clear in time. His horses plough ahead.
Meanwhile, the shattering chariot throws Celeris into
the air. The knife flies from his hand, and he crashes
to the ground, trailing from the reins of his horses.
Spandex' horses are now on top of the wrecked chariot,
smashing wood with their hooves and stumbling in the
dust. They would be trampling Celeris underfoot if he
hadn't been thrown clear.

But Celeris isn't out of danger; he managed to cut
himself free of three horses, but one is still
attached to the reins and is dragging him on his back
across the sand; after a few agonizing seconds the
final strand snaps, and Celeris comes to rest in a
crumpled heap. Slaves and physicians rush out onto the
track and cluster round him. Meanwhile Spandex'
chariot has swung round in a wide arc and slammed into
the spina back to front, tangled in the horses' reins;
but Spandex, who had more warning than his unfortunate
competitor, has cut himself free, and jumps clear of
the wreck. The race is over for him.

But the race continues for the remaining two. They've
now rounded the far turn and are into the final lap.
Now Gnipho is ahead; now Magnus; now they are neck and
neck. Magnus strikes out at Gnipho's horses, and even
at Gnipho himself, with his whip. He knows he's in the
worse position, for as they approach the turn he's on
the outside and will lose time. Gnipho, a sturdy Greek
fellow, does his best to ignore the blows, but his
horses are jittery. Into the turn he goes, pulling
tightly on the leather reins to bring his horses
round. Magnus turns his whip from Gnipho to his own
horses, searching for more speed. He finds it, and
comes out of the turn slightly ahead.

Now it's the home straight, and nothing but speed
matters. Both drivers lash furiously at their horses,
no longer bothering to strike one another. The bits
are biting into the horses' mouths, cutting their
tongues. Their hooves beat thunderously on the sand
and throw up great clouds of dust. Sweat pours off
horses and drivers alike. Gnipho is gaining, pulling
back level with Magnus... but too late. In front by
little more than a stride, amid roars and cheers from
the crowds, Magnus in Orionis Draco flashes across the
creta and wins it for the blues and for his owner T.
Licinius Crassus. A more exciting race has rarely been
seen.

As Magnus gives a lap of honour, news comes in from
the physicians. Felix Celeris is lucky indeed: his arm
and shoulder are broken, and his skin badly cut and
grazed, but he's alive and likely to recover to race
another day. Indeed the crowd has so enjoyed the race
that it would be delighted to see any of these four
fine drivers back in the circus again. Their owners
can all be mightily proud.





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This is going to be my last message on this subject -- since the other
part does not seem to be willing to construct a reasonable debate, and
prefers instead to launch themselves on a campaign of ad hominem
attacks against me.

This serves me right, for being the only pontifex willing to discuss
possible reforms at any length. But then, I didn't know at first that
these gentlemen (if they have ever deserved that title) were out for
game, and not for change.

I will reply to the last from Celetrus and Cato, and that will be it
from my side. I don't even care what they might say after this.

------------------------------------

A. Ambrosius Celetrus scripsit:

> This whole e-mail effort, by Equitius Cato and myself, has been about
> bringing some semblance of life to the public religion, here in NR.
> Frankly I, at least, had hoped that the sitting religious could be
> shamed into activity. Failing that, I had hoped that support could
> formed for some kind of lex that would level civil sanctions on
> negligent priests.
>
> The first clearly cannot be done. Pontifex Astur, at least, cannot be
> shamed into anything more than providing excuses. In an attempt to
> forestall the second, he has demanded that I do his work for him.

False.
Although I have tried to discuss how things could be improved, you
have completely *ignored* my offers to negotiate, choosing instead to
embark yourself in a campaign of personal insults against me. You have
taken me as a scapegoat of your personal frustrations, ignoring the
fact that no other pontifex was actually willing to even reply to your
messages.

And although I have pointed out that many different people (both
magistrates and priests) are actually failing to perform their
religious duties, you have decided to concentrate all your irrational
fury on me.

> You will have also read that I have grave family problems, as well as, like you,
> work. Of course, unlike you, I know what my duties are in my job. If memory
> serves me, I pretty much knew what they were even before I was hired, and
> certainly knew them by the end of the first week.

How do you even dare to speak of my outside job, of which you know
nothing? How do you even dare to insult my professionality? How do you
even dare to speak about *me*?

You are a coward, sir, who is afraid (or unable) to follow a
reasonable debate. Instead of engaging in a constructive discourse,
you have ignored *all* my words and have only concentrated in trying
to destroy my personal image. And since you know nothing about me, you
have to resort to the poor figures of speech above.

I also find it disgusting that you go around shielding behind sick
relatives to avoid responsabilities. For it is absolutely clear by the
number, frequency and content of your messages that you have far more
free time than you should.

From now on, I will cease to reply to your messages. Since that is the
only difference from your point of view between me and any other
pontifex, that at least will take me off the number one in your
personal shit list, and equate me to the other pontifices -- whom, by
the way, you do not insult like you have insulted me.

> With very few exceptions, sitting priests, sacerdotes and pontiffs don't take
> their job descriptions seriously.

You are forgetting to say that their job descriptions are not
commanding them to do that much as far as rituals are concerned, and
you are forgetting that, under Roman tradition, magistrates also had
religious duties. But that would be creating yourself too many
enemies, wouldn't it? You are more into engaging enemies little by
little. Picking, for example, the only pontifex willing to talk with
you and trying to make him a scapegoat for the rest.

[...]

> I have not sworn an oath, as Astur has, to serve the public rites, but I will do my > absolute best to see that Dii Immotales are honored, as Astur has not.

In seven monhs' time, I will metaphorically go hunting your head on
this very same forum unless you have done what you have just promised
to do. If you have, I will resign from the pontificate.

Nice psychological help, isn't it?

Until then, I do not want to hear from you in any way.

------------------------------------

Cn. Equitio Cato scripsit:

> THEORETICALLY SPEAKING, I believe that this might actually be covered
> by the lex Salicia Poenalis, Section V.A & B:

What a great idea! Let's hunt some pagan priests' heads!

Hey... it has ocurred to me that trying to throw the whole Collegium
Pontificum out of Nova Roma for life might be a little too heavy to
begin with. What could we do? Let me think...

Ah! We could try to prosecute that Astur guy! I mean; Celetrus has
been shouting at him. He necessarily has to be the worst of the lot!
Let's throw him out!

I will never, ever forget that *this* has come from you, Cato. Never.

S·V·B·E·E·V

CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT

Salve Cato,

Thank you for bringing me up to date. I came in to the project quite late and knew nothing about who was involved. Marinus put me in contact with Agricola alone since I thought I may be able to assist in the artwork, and as you stated he is the one doing the artwork. I see no reason to discuss the project with the Cassius as you have already found a mint. He has been in a swirl of personal, business and legal dilemmas since the death of his father and the subsequent re-organization of the family run business. Which as I understand ran into considerable legal snafus.

The only problem left is, how can I help Agricola "clean up" the art and refine it as much as possible for minting. As I stated, I do not know what program is being used. Up to know I have only seen one side and that has been on JPEG - totally unworkable except by painstakingly tracing it and redoing it from scratch. This is untenable since I can foresee that Agricola and will be sending it back and forth quite a few times in this refinement process until it is finished. We must find a compatible program that we can both use.

Vale,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

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G. Equitius Cato M. Cassio Philippo quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Let me correct some misiformation here.

The group which has come together did so at the instigation of Gaius
Vipsanius Agrippa, Marcus Gladius Agricola, D. Claudius Aquilius
Germanicus, myself, and several others; it has been up and running
since 14 June (postridie Idus Iunius). There are 14 "members" of the
group, and many other citizens have popped in over the past three
months to voice their opinions as well. After much online discussion,
Gladius Agricola, Apollonius Cordus, Fabia Livia and myself were able
to meet during the Conventus in Rome and give some face-to-face time
regarding the project.

The project is being funded entirely by gifts from private citizens:
we have approximately $1300.00 in pledges as it stands now.

Gladius Agricola has been a font of intelligence regarding numismatics
in general and Roman coins in specific; and it is indeed he to whom
the honor of collecting, organizing, and finalizing the artwork goes.
He has been tireless and absolutely indispensible in this project.

In fact, both sides have already been designed.

Our Pontifex Maximus, who was behind the creation of the first coin,
unfortunately only spoke once and then refused to give any information
regarding the mint he used or even reply to emails regarding the
subject, for reasons which are still unknown. If you can get him to
speak, more power to you Cassius Philippus, but we do not need that
information any longer; we have already found an alternative mint.

The project is only "months away" in that we hope to be in production
before the end of the year.

I hope this clears up any misunderstandings regarding the
soon-to-be-proposed-to-the-Senate new sestertius.

Vale et valete,

Cato





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SALVE ET SALVETE !


1.The Triumvirate was an unofficial and originally secret political partnership. In the ancient time it was not known as a triumvirate. This is a modern term. At that time it have been known as "amicitia" or "factio", meaning a agreement of persons. The three triumvirs were prominent individuals, they had great resources. The First Triumvirate for example : Crassus had money, Pompey had influence, and Caesar had diplomatic skills.

http://www.livius.org/to-ts/triumvir/triumvir.html



2. The triumviri have the powers of a dictator.

http://www.livius.org/di-dn/dictator/dictator.html



VALE ET VALETE,

IVL SABINVS


t_octavius_salvius <fin37@...> wrote:
Salvete Omnes,

I've just finished a book about Ptolemaic Egypt, and the last chapter
dealt with Caesar and Antony's....err....'relations' with Cleopatra
VII, and the conflict between the Triumvirs (if that's the right word)
that was played out in Egypt.

It then dawned on my that I have no idea what a Triumvirate is (other
than, obviously, it's three men calling the shots).

It's taken for granted that it was Caesar/Pompey/Crassus or
Octavian/Antony/Lepidus, but it's usually left at that. How did these
political groupings come about and what powers did they have?

vale

T. Octavius Salvius




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G. Equitius Cato Gn. Salvio Asturi A. Apollonio Cordo quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Astur, Astur, as I said, I was speaking THEORETICALLY about the need
(if any) for law regarding this kind of thing. It was certainly not
intended as an attack on *anybody*, least of all you. Please read
what I have written directly to you, as it remains valid in this issue.

Thank you Corde for clearing that up. As I said (twice --- three
times now) I was speaking only theoretically.

Vale et valete,

Cato

Q. Caecilius Metellus C. Equitio Catoni sal.

Si tu vales, bene est.

Pardon my late response: I've just returned from the Elysium gathering
which Buteo had written about, and now have a little over some 300
messages to read.

> Metellus, I understand the hesitancy to be put under some kind
> of "obligation", but honestly, what other recourse do we have?

Well, I think we can agree to disagree. It's not that I disagree
entirely that we should not post that things have been done (or even
will be done); it's that I disagree that the "obligation" exists.
Anyhow, you can count on my letting the People know what I'm doing, will
do, and, for that matter, have done.

> Metellus Postumianus, The pontiffs have taken upon themselves all
> religious authority (contrary to historic practice) yet they do not
> exercize that authority in public save for a few scattered instances.

I think the problem is the difference in authority and responsibility,
which you touch on in your next paragraph (which I've cut out, for
brevity). In short, I agree: we've taken the authority, and we
certainly can't abandon the responsibility.

Vale Bene,

Q. Caecilius Metellus
Pontifex

Metellus Celetro sal.

I only have one thing to respond to here:

> Has he deigned to respond to your legitimate question? Has Metellus
> responded to "Metellus, I understand the hesitancy to be put under some
> kind of "obligation", but honestly, what other recourse do we have?"

For my part of this paragraph, I just responded to that posting. As I
put there, I was away for the weekend, and am catching up. But Cato was
certainly not ignored, as it seems you think he was, at least by me.

Vale Bene.

C. Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix, Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus
Pius, and myself (C. Fabius Buteo Modianus) attended Elysium Gathering near
Yellow Springs, Ohio -- September 15 - 18. Several Roman rituals took place.

The first ritual was the Inauguration of our newest Pontifex, Quintus
Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus Pius, by myself. Metellus made offerings
to Iuppiter and Quirinus, and the augury that was taken by myself was
excellent. Very positive omens were seen right away indicating that the Gods
were very pleased. Text of the Inauguration are below.

The second ritual was a Rite of Offering to Pomona. Offerings were made to
Pomona, Ianus, Iuppiter, Iuno, Vertumnus, Ceres, Mars, Quirinus, and Vesta.
The rite was presided over by myself, and I was assisted by Metellus and a
festival attendee along with another attendee offering her talents as a
flute player. Text of the Sacrificium Pomonae are below [note the original
electronic file of the script is lost, as I have been using a printed
version for at least a year now; I transcribed it fairly quickly so I hope
there are no spelling errors I might have missed].

The third ritual was a Rite of Offering to Minerva which was presided over
by Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix, but I will let Hadrianus post the test of
his ritual himself.

The festival was a success, and much Roman discussion was had!

Valete;

C. Fabius Buteo Modianus

Pontifex, Flamen Pomonalis, and Augur

*Sacrificium Pomonae*

To be said by a ritual assistant:

Favete linguis

Make silence

[Flute player starts]

*Offering to Ianus*

* ***

Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitious mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum.

Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that
you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.

*Offering to Iuppiter*

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces
precor, uti sies volens propitious mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum
Quiritum.

Iuppiter Best and Greatest, King of the Gods, by offering this incense to
you I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me and the Senate
and People of the Novaromans, the Quirites.

*Offering to Vertumnus*

Vertumne, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitious mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum.

Vertumnus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you
may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.

*Offering to Iuno*

Iuno Regina, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitious mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum.

Queen Iuno, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that
you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.

*Offering to Ceres*

Ceres Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitious mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum.

Goddess Ceres, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that
you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.

*Offering to Mars*

Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitious mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum.

Father Mars, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that
you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.

*Offering to Quirinus*

Quirine pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitious mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum.

Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.

*Libation to Ianus*

Iane Pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

*Libation to Iuppiter*

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus
sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Iuppiter Best and Greatest, King of the Gods, as by offering to you the
incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored
by this humble wine.

*Libation to Vertumnus*

Vertumne, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei
ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Vertumnus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

*Libation to Iuno*

Iuno Regina, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Queen Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

*Libation to Ceres*

Ceres Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Goddess Ceres, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

*Libation to Mars*

Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Father Mars, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

*Libation to Quirinus*

Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Father Quirinus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

[Hands are washed in preparation for the Praecatio.]

*Offering to Pomona*

Pomona Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitious mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum.

Goddess Pomona, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.

*Libation to Pomona*

Pomona Dea, tibi fieri oportet culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac ilace
dape pullucenda esto.

Goddess Pomona, it is proper for a cup of wine to be given, for the sake of
this thing may you be honored by this feast offering.

*Offering of Apples and Libation to Pomona*

Pomona Dea, harum rerum ergo macte his frugibus esto, macte vino inferio
esto.

Goddess Pomona, for all these things therefore be honored by these fruits,
may you be honored by the humble wine.

*Libation to Quirinus*

Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Father Quirinus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

*Libation to Mars*

Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Father Mars, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

*Libation to Ceres*

Ceres Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Goddess Ceres, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

*Libation to Iuno*

Iuno Regina, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Queen Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

*Libation to Vertumnus*

Vertumne, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei
ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Vertumnus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

*Libation to Iuppiter*

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, Rex Deorum, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Iuppiter Best and Greatest, King of the Gods, as by offering to you the
incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored
by this humble wine.

*Libation to Ianus*

Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.

*Libation to Vesta*

Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto.

Goddess Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honored by this humble wine.

*Piaculum*

Pomona Dea, si quidquam tibi in hac caerinonia displicet, hoc vino inferio
veniam peto et vitium meum expio.

Goddess Pomona, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with
this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.

Ita vultis, ita est!

As you will, so it is.

Illicet

It is permitted to go.

-----

Performed by Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus Pius

*Libatio Iovi [Libation to Juppiter]*

Iane Quirine, te hac ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti portas caeli
aperias utique donum meum accipiatur. [Janus of the Quirites, by offering
you this incense, I pray you good prayers that you might open the gates to
the Heavens so that my offering may be accepted.]

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hac ture commovendo bonas precor, uti aves signa
gratiae mittas utique me pontificem probes. [Juppiter, Best and Greatestt,
by offering you this incense, I pray you good prayers that you might send
the birds as signs of your favor and accept me as a pontifex.]

Iane Quirine, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Janus of the Quirites, just as in
offering you incense I prayed you good prayers, for that same purpose accept
this humble wine.]

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus
sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Juppiter, Best and Greatest,
just as in offering you incense I prayed you good prayers, for that same
purpose accept this humble wine.]

*Personal Prayer*

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, hoc die hic veni apud te, gratiam tuam a te
obtineam. Nunc, Rex Deorum et Optimus et maximus vere, te rogo me probare
pontificem Novae Romae, avesque mittere signa gratiae. Ita est.

*Libation*

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti pro causa fas et ius vinum commovere tibi, hanc
libationem accipias quod nunc commoveo. [Juppiter Best and Greatest, as it
is both right and proper to offer you wine on this occasion, please accept
this libation which I shall offer you.]

*Piaculum*

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, et Di Omnes Romae, si quidquam tibi in hac
caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum
expio. [Juppiter
Best and Greatest, and all the Gods of Rome, if anything in this ceremony is
displeasing to you, with this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my
fault.]

*Inauguratio* performed by C. Fabius Buteo Modianus

Templa tescaque me ita sunto, quoad ego ea rite lingua nuncupavero. [Let the
boundaries of my templa and the wild lands be as I declare them with my
words.]

Olla vera arbos quirquir est, quam me sentio dixisse, templum tescumque me
esto in sinistrum. [That tree of whatever kind it is which I deem myself to
have named, let it be the boundary of my templum and the wild land to the
right.]

Olla vera arbos quirquir est, quam me sentio dixisse, templum tescumque me
esto in dextrum. [That tree of whatever kind it is which I deem myself to
have named, let it be the boundary of my templum and the wild land to the
left.]

Inter ea conregione conspicione cortumione, utique ea rite dixisse me sensi.
[Between these points I have established the templa and the wild lands by
means of directing, viewing, reflecting as far as I have been most rightly
aware of it within this limit.]

[Augury was taken.]


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G. Equitius Cato C. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Beautifully presented, pontiff. Thank you for posting it. This is
all I ask for.

Vale et valete,

Cato

Salve Celetre,

Ambrosius Celetrus wrote:

> Actually, I wasn't thinking of anything that would interfere, usurp or
> bind with the CP's supposed activities. Rather, I envisioned a lex that
> banned them from civil activities during periods when they were in
> default of their religious duties, e.g. the current ludi have not been
> offered by any of the CP in honor of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, therefor
> none of the CP should be allowed to post on this list during this
> period. Something like that.

I feel sure that proposing such legislation in comitia could be
interpreted as a violation of the Blasphemy Decretum by those who love
to use it. More to the point, it would be (I think rightfully) vetoed
by the Tribunes for violating the free speach rights of the pontifices.

As for coming up with a list of things that a privatus citizen
practitioner can reasonably do, I'd be glad to help you put one
together. Drop me a note off-list and we'll see what we can come up with.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Q. Metellus C. Equitio sal.

> I was never actually inaugurated as a quaestor,
> yet here I am, quaestor-ing like crazy, without "supervis[ion]" or any
> kind of guidance whatsoever from our religious authorities.
>
> Unless I am gravely mistaken (and I'm always open to the possibility),
> not a single magistrate for the year 2758 A.U.C. has been inaugurated:
> we've got censors censoring, consuls consul-ing, praetors praetor-ing,
> aediles ... lounging about eating peeled grapes and tossing the
> remnants onto the blood-soaked sand of the ampitheatre (just kidding,
> but "aedile-ing" sounds too close to "idling", and they certainly
> haven't been doing that), yet none have been given the blessing of the
> gods in their capacities to serve the Republic.

You're not gravely mistaken on this one: none of the magistrates have
been inaugurated. For that matter, (and, it goes without saying, I
wasn't around for their ascent) I'm the only inaugurated religious (if
that's the description we'll use) official sitting right now. I'm
certainly in favor of a return to the practice, and I (believe I)
mentioned it previously in the argument about women in various
positions. There is a practical issue, but that aside, there's no
disagreement from me that this is something which ought to be done.

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem XIII Kalendas Octobris; haec dies comitialis est.

"Faber est suae quisque fortunae." (Every man is the artisan of his
own fortune) - Appius Claudius Caecus

"Another measure, by no means so welcome to the patricians, was
brought forward the following year, the consuls being C. Marcius and
Cnaeus Manlius. M. Duilius and L. Menenius, tribunes of the plebs,
were the proposers of this measure, which fixed the rate of interest
at 8 1/3 per cent.; the plebs adopted it with much more eagerness than
the Poetilian Law against canvassing. In addition to the fresh wars
decided upon the previous year, the Faliscans had been guilty of two
acts of hostility; their men had fought in the ranks of the
Tarquinians, and they had refused to give up those who had fled after
their defeat to Tarquinii, when the Fetials demanded their surrender.
That campaign fell to Cn. Manlius; Marcius conducted the operations
against Privernum. This district had remained uninjured during the
long years of peace, and when Marcius led his army thither, they
loaded themselves with plunder. Its value was enhanced by the
munificence of the consul, for he appropriated none of it for the
State, and so encouraged the efforts of the private soldier to
increase his private means. The Privernates had formed a strongly
entrenched camp in front of their walls, and before attacking it
Marcius summoned his troops to assembly, and said: "If you promise me
that you will do your duty bravely in battle and are quite as ready
for fighting as for plunder, I give you now the camp and city of the
enemy." With a mighty shout they demanded the signal for battle, and
with heads erect and full of confidence they marched proudly into
line. Sex. Tullius, who has been already mentioned, was in the front,
and he called out, "See, General, how your army is fulfilling its
promise to you," and with the word he dropped his javelin and drawing
his sword charged the enemy. The whole of the front line followed him
and at the very first onset defeated the Privernates and pursued them
as far as the town, which they prepared to storm. When the scaling
ladders were actually placed against the walls the place surrendered.
A triumph was celebrated over the Privernates. Nothing worth recording
was done by the other consul, except his unprecedented action in
getting a law passed in camp by the tribes levying 5 per cent. on the
value of every slave who was manumitted. As the money raised under
this law would be a handsome addition to the exhausted treasury, the
senate confirmed it. The tribunes of the plebs, however, looking not
so much to the law as to the precedent set, made it a capital offence
for any one to convene the Assembly outside their usual place of
meeting. If it were once legalised, there was nothing, however
injurious to the people, which could not be carried through men who
were bound by the oath of military obedience. In this year C. Licinius
Stolo was impeached by M. Popilius Laenas for having violated his own
law; he and his son together occupied a thousand jugera of land, and
he had emancipated his son in order to evade the law. He was condemned
to pay a fine of 10,000 ases." - Livy, History of Rome 7.16



In ancient Egypt today was held in honor of the god Thoth. Thoth,
pronounced "tot", is the Greek name given to Djehuty, the Egyptian god
of the Moon (lunar deity), and consequently wisdom, writing, magic,
and measurement of time, among other things, all of which were thought
of as connected to the moon in ancient culture (thus the owl as a wise
bird to the greeks). As Thoth was the god of writing, and of magic, he
was identified by the Greeks with their god Hermes, with whom Thoth
was eventually combined, as Hermes Trismegistus.

In keeping with his many attributes, he was depicted with a variety of
symbols. As a god of Egypt, he carried the ankh, the symbol of life,
in one hand, and in the other he held a scepter, the symbol of power.
In the 'Book of the Dead', he was shown holding a writing palette and
reed pen to record the deeds of the dead. As voice of the sun-god Ra,
he carried the utchat, or Eye of Ra, the symbol of Ra's ubiquitous
power. Thoth was variously depicted wearing a crescent moon on his
headdress, or wearing the Atef crown, or sometimes, the crown of Upper
and Lower Egypt.

The god of learning was also reputed to have been a god of measuring
the passage of time, and thus the god of the Egyptian calendar. It is
interesting to note that although he is related to the solar calendar
in myth (where he won five extra days a year from Khonsu, the moon
god), but that as a moon god himself, he was very probably closely
related to Egypt's original lunar calendar.

As the cycles of the Moon organized much of Egyptian society's civil
and religious rituals and events, so Thoth was also seen as the
primary regulator of such things. He was usually depicted with the
head of an ibis (whose beak looks like a crescent moon) - indeed his
name translates as Ibis, or sometimes depicted as a baboon (a
nocturnal animal that has many similarities to humanity). During the
late period of Egyptian history a cult of Thoth gained prominence, and
millions of ibises were mummified and buried in his honour.

Thoth was credited by the ancient Egyptians as the inventor of writing
and the 365-day calendar, and was considered to have been the scribe
of the underworld, Duat, thus aiding Osiris to judge the souls of the
dead. He was a son of either Ra or Set, but is also said to be the
secretary and counsellor of Ra, and with Maat stood next to Ra on the
nightly voyage across the sky.

Thoth appears in a few tales as a background figure; he aids Horus and
Isis against Set in the Legend of Osiris and Isis, and he also settled
an argument between Hathor and Ra (in some versions it is between
Tefnut and Shu), where the goddess had fled and turned herself into a
cat as disguise. Thoth also appeared as the main character in a tale
where he plays dice with the moon itself, winning 1/72nd of its light
so that Hathor may have children. This tale is thought to originate
from commemorating a change in the calendar system; originally there
were 360 days in the Egyptian year, but a reform adjusted this to 365,
1/72nd over 360 days is exactly 5 whole days, i.e. the extra days
added. It also happens that 72 is the number of years required for the
constellations to precess by 1/360th of a cycle (360 was used as the
number of degrees in a circle since ancient times).

He was the 'One who Made Calculations Concerning the Heavens, the
Stars and the Earth', the 'Reckoner of Times and of Seasons', the one
who 'Measured out the Heavens and Planned the Earth'. He was 'He who
Balances', the 'God of the Equilibrium' and 'Master of the Balance'.
'The Lord of the Divine Body', 'Scribe of the Company of the Gods',
the 'Voice of Ra', the 'Author of Every Work on Every Branch of
Knowledge, Both Human and Divine', he who understood 'all that is
hidden under the heavenly vault'. Thoth was not just a scribe and
friend to the gods, but central to order - ma'at - both in Egypt and
in the Duat. He was 'He who Reckons the Heavens, the Counter of the
Stars and the Measurer of the Earth'.

Myths concerning Thoth show him as a divinity whose counsel is always
sought. His most significant role is during the battles of Horus and
Seth. Thoth is a staunch supporter of Horus and his mother Isis,
maintaining that Horus' claim to the throne is just and the murderous
Seth has no right to the kingship of Egypt. Elsewhere Thoth is a
reliable mediator and peacemaker. When the goddess Tefnut had a
dispute with her father Re and absconded to Nubia, it was Thoth that
the sun-god sent to reason with her and bring her home. Thoth was also
present at the judgement of the dead. He would question the deceased
before recording the result of the weighing of the deceased's heart.
If the result was favorable Thoth would declare the deceased as a
righteous individual who was worthy of a blessed afterlife.

Thoth was also a lunar deity, and whatever form he took he wore a
lunar crescent on his head. Some Egyptologists think that the
Egyptians identified the crescent moon with the curved beak of the
ibis. It is also suggested that the Egyptians observed that baboon was
a nocturnal (i.e. lunar) animal who would greet the sun with
chattering noises each morning. As he was messenger of the gods Thoth
was identified by the Greeks with their own god Hermes. For this
reason Thoth's center of worship is still known to us today as
Hermopolis.


"Now wheel your sacred dances through the glade with flowers bedight,
All ye who are partakers of the holy festal rite;
And I will with the women and the holy maidens go
Where they keep the nightly vigil, an auspicious light to show.
Now haste we to the roses,
And the meadows full of posies,
Now haste we to the meadows
In our own old way,
In choral dances blending,
In dances never ending,
Which only for the holy
The Destinies array.
O, happy mystic chorus,
The blessed sunshine o'er us
On us alone is smiling,
In its soft sweet light:
On us who strove forever
With holy, pure endeavour,
Alike by friend and stranger
To guide our steps aright." - Aristophanes, The Frogs Act 1. sc. i;
the "Chorus of the Initiated" at Eleusis

Today was also the last day of the celebration of the Eleusinian
Mysteries.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/Livy/), Thoth ("Thoth."
Encyclopedia Mythica. 2005. Encyclopedia Mythica Online.
19 Sep. 2005 <http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/thoth.html>.) and
(http://www.crystalinks.com/thoth.html) and
(http://www.answers.com/topic/thoth), Aristophanes
(http://classics.mit.edu/Aristophanes/frogs.html)

SALVETE !

gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

OSD G. Equitius Cato
Salvete omnes!

"Faber est suae quisque fortunae." (Every man is the artisan of his
own fortune) - Appius Claudius Caecus


Right. Philosophical this is an absolute truth.


VALETE,

IVL SABINVS




"Every individual is the arhitect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius





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A. Ambrosius Celetrus G. Salvio Asturo

Gnaeus Salvius Astur wrote:

> CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·QVIRITIBVS·S·P·D
>
> This is going to be my last message on this subject -- since the other
>
> part does not seem to be willing to construct a reasonable debate, and
>
> prefers instead to launch themselves on a campaign of ad hominem
> attacks against me.
>
> This serves me right, for being the only pontifex willing to discuss
> possible reforms at any length.

And this will be my last reply to you.

The first words out your mouth when you entered this thread to
"dialogue" were:

"Some people seem to think that pointing at the current pontifices (I
wonder if they simply are forgetting about those priests that are not
pontifices)"

Your first priority was to spread the blame. Sorry, ahistorical or not,
the CP in NR is the final, responsible authority in religious matters.
You are an officer blaming his men for his unit's failure to achieve its
objective. It doesn't get any more contemptible than that.

Second: "The first problem is that no one is completely sure of what the
priests of Nova Roma should be doing." Demonstrably and insultingly
false, as Cato has demonstrated. Not that he needed to, anyone who can
read can find what he did on the website.

And last but not least, we've had your repeated claims that you, after
seven months on the job, do not know what your own duties are.That is
just embarrassing.

There was never going to be a constructive dialog - your only goal has
been one of escape and evasion. Well, you managed to escape, haven't
you? Mission accomplished, Astur.

Now I have work to do - yours.


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A. Apollonius Q. Metello auguribus omnibus sal.

First of all, congratulations, amice, and also
congratulations to everyone who was involved in the
ritual.

Secondly (and I copy my question to the religio Romana
list because I guess the answers could get quite
academic and possibly unsuitable for the forum), you
wrote:

> You're not gravely mistaken on this one: none of the
> magistrates have
> been inaugurated. For that matter, (and, it goes
> without saying, I
> wasn't around for their ascent) I'm the only
> inaugurated religious (if
> that's the description we'll use) official sitting
> right now. I'm
> certainly in favor of a return to the practice, and
> I (believe I)
> mentioned it previously in the argument about women
> in various
> positions. There is a practical issue, but that
> aside, there's no
> disagreement from me that this is something which
> ought to be done.

Are the augures of the opinion that inauguration must
be performed with the augur and the candidate in the
same place? What's the current state of research on
such issues? If they must be in the same place, might
it be possible to create priests at a provincial level
specifically for inaugurations, who could be
supervised by the augures proper? In short, what's the
current thinking on the feasibility of having all
magistrates and public priests inaugurated?



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avete omnes,

a long time passed since my last issue about this subject but finally here I am with a list of a kind of monuments so common in the roman world and scattered quite everywhere in Eurepe, Middle East and North Africa.
These are the theatres! This is a draft list and mind just some little warnings when reading please:
- we have here only Roman theatres, which differently from the Greek one, were often built on plain (not necessarily leaning on a slope), closed with perimetral walls of the same height;
- the Roman Theathe presented a scaena frons, a monumental background to close the stage at the back of the actors.
- odeons (a building with more or less the same architecture of a theathre, but with smaller dimensions and often covered) are included;

AcerraAizanoiAlba FucensAlexandriaAlifeAmiternumAmmanAnkaraAnzioAostaAphrodisiasAquinoArlesArycandaAscoliAsoloAspendosAteneAugstBenevagennaBeneventoBevagna BolognaBosraBresciaJendouba (Bulla Regia)Calvi ResortaCarcassonneCarsulaeCartagenaCassinoCataniaCatania (odeon)ChamplieuChemtouChietiCividate Camuno CorfinoCoruña del CondeSeforis/DiocesareaEfesoEfeso (odeon)ErcolanoFalerone FanoFerentumFiesoleFrascati-TusculumFrejusGabala GaleataGerasa/JerashGortina GubbioHelvia RecinaHierapolisItalicaIuvanumKasLecceLeptis MagnaLibarnaLioneLione (odeon)LiternumLuniMalagaMeridaMiletoMinturnoMisenumMontegrottoMorgantinaNapoliNocera SuperioreNoraOrangeOstia OtricoliPalmiraPataraPergamum/BergamaPergePetra Pietra AbbondanetePlovdivPola Pollentia PollenzoPompeiPosillipoPosillipo (Odeon)Roma (Marcellus)Roma (Pompey)Roma (Balbo)Roma (Domitian's Odeon)RondaSabrathaSaepinumSaguntumSalonaeSardiScolaciumSegobrigaSepinoSerik - AspendosSessa Aurunca
SoliSoluntumSpartaSpoletoTaorminaTarragonaTeanoTeramoTerracinaTimgadTorinoTrieste UrbisagliaVaison La RomaineVenafroVentimigliaVeronaVicenzaVienneVolterraZilil

As always happened for previuos monuments (amphitheaters, arches, bridges, circuses) all your comments, opinions, adds, corrections and explanations are welcomed.

thanks





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Q. Metellus A. Ambrosio, C. Equitio, A. Apollonio, Cn. Asturi
Quiritibusque sal.

(Rather than fill mailboxes of those uninterested in the topic at hand
with numerous messages to respond to each message, I respond to them all
here, threads staying together, of course.)

A manu A. Ambrosi scriptum:

> I don't doubt that the priests and priestesses who posted these rites
> in the past performed them, and find it interesting that both
> Metellus and Astur are suggesting otherwise.

Let's not go putting words in others' mouthes, Celetrus. I've suggested
no such thing.

> There are people in Nova Roma who have accepted the titles and
> obligations of flamens, sacerdotes, and pontiffs. They need to stop
> making excuses, and honor the Gods and Goddesses they serve; then and
> only then, will others in NR come to believe that this is not just
> some grand RPG.

Quite indeed, and I would highly appreciate it if you would give me the
opportunity to do so, rather than attacking me for others' lack thereof.
I will do my best to see that rites are performed, and offerings made,
and would be quite gracious were you to at least be grateful for that
much. As my mother (and I'm sure many others) always say, "Be grateful
for what you have, not angry for what you don't."

a C. Equitio Catone:

> If the College announced that they were going to take up their
> responsibility to produce the calendar, half of me would say
> "Whoopie!" as a response to their actually taking a noticeable part
> in the lives of the citizens of the Republic; the other half would
> say, "Rats!", because I like doing it myself :-)

Cato, I certainly don't think I could post, daily, all the information
you do. Which is why I haven't done so. But I can at least post for
each month the basic information necessary to observe the month, and
this is what I try to do (and, for that matter, I'd even be willing to
do it every nundina as I did before, if the Quirites desire). It may
well not be "enough," but I think we agree it's better than nothing.

> Astur, amice, I believe that you, and Metellus, and actually *all* of
> the College of Pontiffs truly are interested in the welfare of the
> relationship between the Republic and the gods. I believe that there
> is a great deal of information and intelligence behind the work of
> the College, and have witnessed it to some extent on the Religio
> List. I just ask that the work that has already been done, as
> evidenced by the numerous rites that have taken place *and been
> posted in the Forum* in the past on important days, not be left to
> gather dust, but be exercized.

Thank you Cato. I certainly don't intend to let things I know about
drop off the side. I think you already understand this point, but to
say it again for others: Please just give me the *time* to do my job
before attacking me for not doing it.

a manu mi amici A. Cordi:

> You may well say that this doesn't explain why rituals have gone
> unperformed up to now. No, indeed it doesn't. Clearly there have been
> failures in the past. But this cannot be taken as evidence of
> failures occurring now. If you want to know why this or that ritual
> went unperformed last year, that's a very reasonable question; I
> merely point out that when you demand answers from Metellus and Astur
> you're asking the wrong people. I, like you, would like to know why
> more progress has not been made over the last seven years. But I,
> unlike you, know that there is nothing to be gained from trying to
> extract that information from people who haven't got it.

I thank you for this. As I've tried to make obvious, and as I'm sure
you know, I'm certainly not unwilling to take deserved criticism, and
answer for my responsibilities when asked. But, as you have noticed,
the current situation is that I just haven't the information (nor,
really, the right) to answer for my colleagues. And (hoping the
necessary person is reading) it doesn't help that I lack access to the
archives to even try to formulate an answer on the matter. Put lightly,
I'm walking the plank with my mouth taped shut, thereby devoid of the
ability to answer the charges against me.

a Cn. Asture:

> I think that it should be the responsability of the Collegium
> Pontificum to present the official calendar of religious festivities
> at the beginning of the year.

As I had told you previously, I'm sure you know that I agree with this,
and this is one of the things on my "agenda" as a pontifex, so I suspect
that you and I will be working on this in the coming months. But to add
to this, I think it should also be done at least on the Kalends of each
month as well, and, time permitting and Quirites wishing, each nundina.
So we'll see what we can make happen for next year.

And lastly, a comment to all the readers of this conversation. It
appears to me, as Cordus said in a posting not copied here, that he,
Celetrus, Astur, and myself, all agree that a problem exists, and that
the problem is pontifical inactivity. I think the four of us all want
to see, effectively, the same result when it comes to the solution to
the problem: pontifical activity. The difference in us, though, is the
means by which we have sought to bring about a solution. I won't speak
on anyone's but my own, and that was to stand for the position, and do
what I could to be co-opted into the very body which is, in a word, the
problem, because I believe in fixing problems from the inside.

It would appear, further, to me, that I've been given about sixteen days
to solve a problem which has developed over seven years. And, for that
matter, seem to be expected to do it alone (cf., 'If you, for your "own
part...intend to help bring about change," then use your current status
to help force our a-llustris CP to "serve the public rites."'). Now, I
believe that I have the support of Cn. Astur, and of C. Buteo to help
the problem, which brings us to three pontiffs. There leaves six other
pontiffs, putting us in the minority, when, to get much of anything
done, we need the majority. Does this make another part of the problem
clear?

Ave Marine,
Bless you for being there. We love you
Iulla Galeria

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Sale Servi Iuli,

Servius Iulius Pertinax <sumvitaetal@...> writes:

> Last week I was accepted as a new citizen of Nova
> Roma. They

That would be me. I am "they" when it comes to citizenship applications these
days.

> told me I had to wait for 90 days to become
> a member with full rights... after passing a little
> test. Now I have a doubt. What am I supposed to do?

Study the NovaRoma.org website. Read the different parts about the government
and the Religio and the history of Nova Roma and of Roma Antiqua. You have
three months to study it all.

> Do I have to wait for the test they are going to send me?

When you've completed your probationary period one of the Rogatores will
notify you that it's time for you to take the test.

Vale,

-- Marinus


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Metellus Cordo sal.

> First of all, congratulations, amice, and also
> congratulations to everyone who was involved in the
> ritual.

Thank you. Apparently it was very quiet while I was offering, and as
soon as it came time to watch for the signs, the bird activity started.
And once the signs were decided, the bird activity came to a (no pun
intended) screeching halt. But getting to the point:

> Are the augures of the opinion that inauguration must
> be performed with the augur and the candidate in the
> same place? What's the current state of research on
> such issues? If they must be in the same place, might
> it be possible to create priests at a provincial level
> specifically for inaugurations, who could be
> supervised by the augures proper? In short, what's the
> current thinking on the feasibility of having all
> magistrates and public priests inaugurated?

As you know, I can't speak for the College of Augurs, but my inclination
is that the going theory was that both augur and magistrate-elect need
be present. But the more I think about it, there also is the provision
we have now that allows curule magistrates to take auspices themselves
then report them to the Augurs for possible re-interpretation/rejection.
This inclines me to think that it might be just as possible for a
person to be inaugurated without the presence of an augur.

The idea of having augurs at the provincial level certainly carries
merit, and is something to give thought to. If the Augurs are willing
to determine if the Gods might be willing to accept it (and this might
end up being a case-by-case basis issue), I'm certainly open to the thought.

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

David Kling wrote:

> The third ritual was a Rite of Offering to Minerva which was presided

over

>by Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix, but I will let Hadrianus post the

test of

>his ritual himself.
>
> The festival was a success, and much Roman discussion was had!
>
> Valete;
>
> C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
>Pontifex, Flamen Pomonalis, and Augur
>

Salvete.

I performed the third ritual, a caerimonia to Dea Minvera. The ritual
was conducted by myself, with C. Fabius Buteo Modianus and Q. Caecilius
Metellus assisting, and another festival attendee who graciously got out
of bed at 7:00 AM to play the flute. Offerings were made to Iane Pater,
Iupiter Optimus Maximus, Dea Iuno, Dea Minerva, and Vesta Mater. I would
like to thank both Q. Caecilius Metellus and A. Tullia Scholastica for
thier help in translating and proofreading the Latin text of the ritual.

I bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga praetexta, cinctu gabino,
capite velato, began the praefatio:

Praefatio

"Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi, Senatui Populoque Novae Romae, huique congregationi.”

[Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be willingly propitious to me, the Senate and People of
Nova Roma, and this gathering.]

I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti
sies volens propitius mihi, Senatui Populoque Novae Romae, huique
congregationi.”

[Iuppiter Best and Greatest, by offering this incense to you I pray god
prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me, the Senate and
People of Nova Roma, and this gathering.]

I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi, Senatui Populoque Novae Romae, huique congregationi.”

[Goddess Iuno, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be willingly propitious to me the Senate and People of Nova
Roma, and this gathering.]

I placed incense in the focus of the altar..

"Minerva Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi, Senatui Populoque Novae Romae, huique congregationi.”

[Goddess Minerva, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers,
so that you may be willingly propitious to me the Senate and People of
Nova Roma, and this gathering.]

I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.”

[Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]

I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.”

[Iuppiter Best and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous
prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this
humble wine.]

I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, iusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.”

[Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]

I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

“Dea Minerva, dea caesia, urbium servatrix, quae aegidem auream teneas,
et a populo Romano amata, tibi precor, te invoco, ut ad conventionem
tuas gratias et sapientiam donum hui congregationi quae ad hunc locum
advenit ad discendam de Dis Romae causam des. Eiusdem rei, ergo macte
ture dono inferio esto.”

[Divine Minerva, grey eyed Goddess, saviour of cities, bearer of the
golden Aegis and beloved of the Roman people, I pray to you and call
upon you to grant your blessings upon this gathering and bestow your
gift of wisdom generously upon those who have come to this place to
learn of the Gods of Rome. For the sake of these prayers, please accept
and be honored by this humble sacrifice of incense.]

I placed incense in the focus of the altar

“Dea Minerva, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio
esto.”

[Goddess Minerva, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this may you be honoured by this feast
offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine.]

I placed cakes on the focus of the altar. I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.”

[Goddess Minerva, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]

I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.”

[Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]

I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.”

[Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]

I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto.”

[Goddess Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble
wine.]

I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

Piaculum

"Dea Minerva, si quidquam tibi in hac aut ulla caerimonia displicet, hoc
ture veniam peto et vitium meum expio.

[Goddess Minerva, if anything in this or any ceremony is displeasing to
you, with this incense I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]"

I placed incense on the focus of the altar.

"Dea Minerva, si quidquam tibi in hac aut ulla caerimonia displicet, hoc
vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio.

[Goddess Minerva, if anything in this or any ceremony is displeasing to
you, with this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]"

I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

“Di obsecro vostram fidem”

[Gods, may you keep your faith.]

"Illicet”

[It is permitted to go.]

Valete bene,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix

--- SodalitasMilitarium@yahoogroups.com
<praefectus2324@...> wrote:

> Before the dust settled back in 2001 folks WERE
> giggling and wide-eyed and tossed around the phrase
> GROUND ZERO like it was stylish.I KNOW N.O. will be
> worse.
> --- SodalitasMilitarium@yahoogroups.com
> <jeff@...> wrote:
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > If that's who we're talking about, I agree
> completely.
> >
> > Thanks for the explanation.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > --- In SodalitasMilitarium@yahoogroups.com, Joe
> labarbera
> > <alphalabarbera@y...> wrote:
> > > I think I can answer that. It isnt all visitors
> that
> > > he is talking about, its the ones that smile and
> > > giggle when they take pictures in front of the
> place,
> > > and see it as a tourist attraction, some fellow
> new
> > > yorkers have told me about this. I personally

dont

> go
> > > there. Ill go there after we have wiped out al
> quaeda
> > > from the earth; "hamda allah." ("thanks to god"

as

> > > they say in the middle east).
> >
> >
>
>
> S P Q R
>
> Fidelis Ad Mortem.
>
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C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete.

I have kept a low profile throughout the current debate on the role of
the Collegium Pontificum, and the question of whether or not they (and
other priesthoods of NR) have been remiss in carrying out thier
responabilities, but after some thought I've decided to throw in my two
sesterces worth (at my peril, I'm sure ^_~).

I happen to agree that the Collegium Ponitificum and the other religious
authorities could and should be doing more, but to be perfectly fair I
also think the currently state of affairs is, while not ideal,
understandable.

Why?

The Religio Romana is not a complete, intact living religious tradition.
What Nova Roma (and other unaffliated Roman reconstructionists) are
trying to do is take an ancient religion, which has not been practiced
regularly for close to 1500 years, and breathe life back into it,
working from a variety of academic sources and historical evidence that
are most noteworthy for thier incompleteness.

Much of the Religio Romana remains a mystery to both reconstructionists
and academics alike. Furthremore, what is known is often interpreted
differently by different individuals.

In many ways the central struggle of the Collegium Pontificum is figure
out what exactly the State Religio of Nova Roman should entail, and that
has proved to be a terribly difficult proposition. There are so many
questions that need to be answered and issues that need to be resolved
first (in no particular order):

How can caermoniae that were intimately linked with the geography of the
city of Rome be reproduced elsewhere?

Are any caermoniae (or any public actions of Nova Roma) even legitimate
as they are not performed inside a templum, within a pomerium? The
ritual division of space was central to the Religio (especially the
State Religio) and it is something that has basically been ignored in
Nova Roma.

Should Nova Roma's calendar simply be a carbon copy of the Fasti of the
city of Rome, even when many of the feriae might not make sense in the
context of Nova Roma?

What about caermoniae that in antiquity REQUIRED animal sacrifice?

How does Nova Roma resolve modern ideas of gender equality with the
ritual sexual taboos of the Religio?

What about cults that we have grossly incomplete information about? Does
Nova Roma ignore them? Reinterpret them?

How can Nova Roma reconcile the religious responsibilities of
magistrates and Senators in ancient Rome with the system we have now?
The "civic" officers of the Roman State had an equally important
religious responsibilities - do we ignore that and simply reconstruct
1/2 of the State Religio?

How can Nova Roma reconstruct problematic priesthoods such as the
Vestals, the Rex and Regina Sacorum or the Flamen Dialis?

Mola Salsa was a vital ritual component in many caermonia of the State
Religio - how can Nova Roma reconstruct this with out having Vestals to
make it?

I could go on, but these should give you an idea of the issues that face
the CP.

The Religio in Nova Roma is in its infancy, its BETA testing stage if
you will and we have a long way to go. I think that for a number of
reasons the CP has become bogged down, but to the best of my knowledge,
its members are struggling to reach some kind of consensus on these
difficult, and often complex issues. The quirites of Nova Roma have
every right to expect progress and to be "kept in the loop", but at the
same they need to have some patience and understanding as well.

Valete Bene,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix

Salvete,

I am much pleased to have read a ritual on this list and even more to see that it
actually did take place. Thank you for this.

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

--- "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:

> A. Apollonius Q. Metello auguribus omnibus sal.
>
> First of all, congratulations, amice, and also
> congratulations to everyone who was involved in the
> ritual.
>
> Secondly (and I copy my question to the religio Romana
> list because I guess the answers could get quite
> academic and possibly unsuitable for the forum), you
> wrote:
>
> > You're not gravely mistaken on this one: none of the
> > magistrates have
> > been inaugurated. For that matter, (and, it goes
> > without saying, I
> > wasn't around for their ascent) I'm the only
> > inaugurated religious (if
> > that's the description we'll use) official sitting
> > right now. I'm
> > certainly in favor of a return to the practice, and
> > I (believe I)
> > mentioned it previously in the argument about women
> > in various
> > positions. There is a practical issue, but that
> > aside, there's no
> > disagreement from me that this is something which
> > ought to be done.
>
> Are the augures of the opinion that inauguration must
> be performed with the augur and the candidate in the
> same place? What's the current state of research on
> such issues? If they must be in the same place, might
> it be possible to create priests at a provincial level
> specifically for inaugurations, who could be
> supervised by the augures proper? In short, what's the
> current thinking on the feasibility of having all
> magistrates and public priests inaugurated?
>
>
>
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Salve Perusiane Omnesque,

I have tried something about mapping the monuments in Gallia. Although it is just a
beginning, only in French and geared towards only those who have Google Earth installed,
you may check about this project. Tell me if you are interested to participate (in Italia
or anywhere else) or if such a project already exists. The purpose here is to map all
Roman munuments in Gallia, give an explanation to the reader and finally help to protect
our heritage. I believe that the lack of knowledge is one of the main problems concerning
the very poor care that too many ancient monuments receive.

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Mapping/Gallia.kml

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae

--- Marcus Iulius <m_iulius@...> wrote:

> avete omnes,
>
> a long time passed since my last issue about this subject but finally here I am with a
> list of a kind of monuments so common in the roman world and scattered quite everywhere
> in Eurepe, Middle East and North Africa.
> These are the theatres! This is a draft list and mind just some little warnings when
> reading please:
> - we have here only Roman theatres, which differently from the Greek one, were often
> built on plain (not necessarily leaning on a slope), closed with perimetral walls of
> the same height;
> - the Roman Theathe presented a scaena frons, a monumental background to close the
> stage at the back of the actors.
> - odeons (a building with more or less the same architecture of a theathre, but with
> smaller dimensions and often covered) are included;
>
> AcerraAizanoiAlba
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salvete omnes,
I'm sorry for my recentabsenve, as some of you know, the last 15th
september I had an accident with my motorcycle caused by a crazy car.
The result was a broken arm and many wounds. I was in hospital for 5
days where I have been submitted to a surgical operation to the left
arm. Today is my first day at home, I'm well but I'll can't use my arm
for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another operation in October.
In any way my job as Consul will continue and I'll use this period
of "forced relax" to accomplish some of my projects.
I thank everyone supported me in the last days, their friendship is
important for me.

valete bene
Fr. Apulus Caesar
your bionic consul :-)

Salve Consul Caesar,

I used to drive motorcycles at a younger age but as the traffic grew
worse over the years I figured there were a lot of crazies and that
you cannot put flesh against steel. Now I drive a 1/2 ton pickup truck
and though the fuel costs more, I don't worry nearly as much about
being cut off; cars avoid me like the plague on busy freeways and city
roads.

All the best and hope you recover soon!

Regards,

qlp

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <fraelov@y...> wrote:
> salvete omnes,
> I'm sorry for my recentabsenve, as some of you know, the last 15th
> september I had an accident with my motorcycle caused by a crazy
car.
> The result was a broken arm and many wounds. I was in hospital for 5
> days where I have been submitted to a surgical operation to the left
> arm. Today is my first day at home, I'm well but I'll can't use my
arm
> for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another operation in October.
> In any way my job as Consul will continue and I'll use this period
> of "forced relax" to accomplish some of my projects.
> I thank everyone supported me in the last days, their friendship is
> important for me.
>
> valete bene
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
> your bionic consul :-)

Im happy you are well but I must ask...what is it
about Italians and motorcycle accidents? Wow. Gods
bless you.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <fraelov@...>
wrote:

> salvete omnes,
> I'm sorry for my recentabsenve, as some of you know,

the last 15th

> september I had an accident with my motorcycle

caused by a crazy car.

> The result was a broken arm and many wounds. I was

in hospital for 5

> days where I have been submitted to a surgical

operation to the left

> arm. Today is my first day at home, I'm well but

I'll can't use my arm

> for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another operation

in October.

> In any way my job as Consul will continue and I'll

use this period

> of "forced relax" to accomplish some of my projects.
> I thank everyone supported me in the last days,

their friendship is

> important for me.
>
> valete bene
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
> your bionic consul :-)
>
>

S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

Marcvs Flavivs Fides
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Salve;
I am sorry to hear about your accident, I was unaware. I am happy to hear
that you are doing well, and on the way to recovery.
Vale;
C. Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 9/19/05, FAC <fraelov@...> wrote:
>
> salvete omnes,
> I'm sorry for my recentabsenve, as some of you know, the last 15th
> september I had an accident with my motorcycle caused by a crazy car.
> The result was a broken arm and many wounds. I was in hospital for 5
> days where I have been submitted to a surgical operation to the left
> arm. Today is my first day at home, I'm well but I'll can't use my arm
> for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another operation in October.
> In any way my job as Consul will continue and I'll use this period
> of "forced relax" to accomplish some of my projects.
> I thank everyone supported me in the last days, their friendship is
> important for me.
>
> valete bene
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
> your bionic consul :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Salvete,

This is why the gods gave us SUVs :-)

Valete,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] my past absence


Im happy you are well but I must ask...what is it
about Italians and motorcycle accidents? Wow. Gods
bless you.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <fraelov@...>
wrote:
> salvete omnes,
> I'm sorry for my recentabsenve, as some of you know,
the last 15th
> september I had an accident with my motorcycle
caused by a crazy car.
> The result was a broken arm and many wounds. I was
in hospital for 5
> days where I have been submitted to a surgical
operation to the left
> arm. Today is my first day at home, I'm well but
I'll can't use my arm
> for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another operation
in October.
> In any way my job as Consul will continue and I'll
use this period
> of "forced relax" to accomplish some of my projects.
> I thank everyone supported me in the last days,
their friendship is
> important for me.
>
> valete bene
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
> your bionic consul :-)
>
>


S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

Marcvs Flavivs Fides
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I target those very vehicles as they are very
aggressive. Especially soccer moms that usually on the
phone dont signal & speed.They then make noise when
cited.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mjk@...>
wrote:

> Salve Consul Caesar,
>
> I used to drive motorcycles at a younger age but as

the traffic grew

> worse over the years I figured there were a lot of

crazies and that

> you cannot put flesh against steel. Now I drive a

1/2 ton pickup truck

> and though the fuel costs more, I don't worry

nearly as much about

> being cut off; cars avoid me like the plague on busy

freeways and city

> roads.
>
> All the best and hope you recover soon!
>
> Regards,
>
> qlp
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC"

<fraelov@y...> wrote:

> > salvete omnes,
> > I'm sorry for my recentabsenve, as some of you

know, the last 15th

> > september I had an accident with my motorcycle

caused by a crazy

> car.
> > The result was a broken arm and many wounds. I was

in hospital for 5

> > days where I have been submitted to a surgical

operation to the left

> > arm. Today is my first day at home, I'm well but

I'll can't use my

> arm
> > for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another

operation in October.

> > In any way my job as Consul will continue and I'll

use this period

> > of "forced relax" to accomplish some of my

projects.

> > I thank everyone supported me in the last days,

their friendship is

> > important for me.
> >
> > valete bene
> > Fr. Apulus Caesar
> > your bionic consul :-)
>
>

S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

Marcvs Flavivs Fides
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Salvete,

Well said. To all this, I could add more, especially where it concerns women and animals, but I won't. That's not the point. The point is everything has to struggle in its first stages. Eventually, as the "bugs" get worked out, things will improve.
However, that won't happen by just wishful thinking alone. The diligence and effort needed is almost daunting. As long as everyone is doing their part, it will all come about - in time.

Vale bene

Maxima Valeria Messallina


Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix <c.minucius.hadrianus@...> wrote:

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete.

I have kept a low profile throughout the current debate on the role of
the Collegium Pontificum, and the question of whether or not they (and
other priesthoods of NR) have been remiss in carrying out thier
responabilities, but after some thought I've decided to throw in my two
sesterces worth (at my peril, I'm sure ^_~).

I happen to agree that the Collegium Ponitificum and the other religious
authorities could and should be doing more, but to be perfectly fair I
also think the currently state of affairs is, while not ideal,
understandable.

Why?

The Religio Romana is not a complete, intact living religious tradition.
What Nova Roma (and other unaffliated Roman reconstructionists) are
trying to do is take an ancient religion, which has not been practiced
regularly for close to 1500 years, and breathe life back into it,
working from a variety of academic sources and historical evidence that
are most noteworthy for thier incompleteness.

Much of the Religio Romana remains a mystery to both reconstructionists
and academics alike. Furthremore, what is known is often interpreted
differently by different individuals.

In many ways the central struggle of the Collegium Pontificum is figure
out what exactly the State Religio of Nova Roman should entail, and that
has proved to be a terribly difficult proposition. There are so many
questions that need to be answered and issues that need to be resolved
first (in no particular order):

How can caermoniae that were intimately linked with the geography of the
city of Rome be reproduced elsewhere?

Are any caermoniae (or any public actions of Nova Roma) even legitimate
as they are not performed inside a templum, within a pomerium? The
ritual division of space was central to the Religio (especially the
State Religio) and it is something that has basically been ignored in
Nova Roma.

Should Nova Roma's calendar simply be a carbon copy of the Fasti of the
city of Rome, even when many of the feriae might not make sense in the
context of Nova Roma?

What about caermoniae that in antiquity REQUIRED animal sacrifice?

How does Nova Roma resolve modern ideas of gender equality with the
ritual sexual taboos of the Religio?

What about cults that we have grossly incomplete information about? Does
Nova Roma ignore them? Reinterpret them?

How can Nova Roma reconcile the religious responsibilities of
magistrates and Senators in ancient Rome with the system we have now?
The "civic" officers of the Roman State had an equally important
religious responsibilities - do we ignore that and simply reconstruct
1/2 of the State Religio?

How can Nova Roma reconstruct problematic priesthoods such as the
Vestals, the Rex and Regina Sacorum or the Flamen Dialis?

Mola Salsa was a vital ritual component in many caermonia of the State
Religio - how can Nova Roma reconstruct this with out having Vestals to
make it?

I could go on, but these should give you an idea of the issues that face
the CP.

The Religio in Nova Roma is in its infancy, its BETA testing stage if
you will and we have a long way to go. I think that for a number of
reasons the CP has become bogged down, but to the best of my knowledge,
its members are struggling to reach some kind of consensus on these
difficult, and often complex issues. The quirites of Nova Roma have
every right to expect progress and to be "kept in the loop", but at the
same they need to have some patience and understanding as well.

Valete Bene,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix


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Salve, Consul F. Apulus Caesar,

I didn't know about your accident, but I am glad that you are well and back at home. I wish you the best and hope you'll be back in all your duties, very soon.

Valete,

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Salve Caesar;
I am so sorry to hear about your injury, please rest and get
well, and take the bus:)
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

> rest and
> I didn't know about your accident, but I am glad that you are well

and back at home. I wish you the best and hope you'll be back in all
your duties, very soon.

>
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Salvete,

In light of the recent discussions on the evolution of the Religio, I
propose the following sample Plan-of Action for anyone who might be
interested:

1. Identify all ceremonies and events that require a religious ritual.

2. Identify existing rituals and previous announced rituals from the
archives.

3. Determine what new rituals need to be written and/or amended for
use.

4. Identify individuals who can properly write rituals, being members
of religious title or not.

5. Invite ALL Cives who practice the Religio to write and submit
Religio rituals to the RR List for evaluation and acceptance, or
maybe establish a new open membership Yahoo list-specifically set up
for ritual submission and development.

6. Write/redevelop new and/or missing rituals.

7. Post a new ritual reference webpage listing event, public and/or
private rite status, date(s), time(s), required ritual(s), required
performer(s)/participant(s), religious reference point(s) of contact,
and other required/recommended information pertaining to.

8. Prepare a downloadable guide to performing Religio rites.

9. Prepare a downloadable guide to practicing the Religio, from
novice to expert.

10. List ALL persons holding a religious title on a separate
directory page, linked from the Priests & Priesthoods webpage with
email link. There ARE NOT too many to list.

11. Identify persons from this experience, who would be good
candidates for the Priesthood.

This is a good start.
Make a Plan + Work Out Details + Execute the Plan = Success in
Attaining Goals

Valete optime,
Triarius

Salve Consul

I very much agree with the sentiments that have been expressed and also wish you well in your time of recovered and will pray that you mend in record time.

All the best.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: FAC<mailto:fraelov@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] my past absence


salvete omnes,
I'm sorry for my recentabsenve, as some of you know, the last 15th
september I had an accident with my motorcycle caused by a crazy car.
The result was a broken arm and many wounds. I was in hospital for 5
days where I have been submitted to a surgical operation to the left
arm. Today is my first day at home, I'm well but I'll can't use my arm
for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another operation in October.
In any way my job as Consul will continue and I'll use this period
of "forced relax" to accomplish some of my projects.
I thank everyone supported me in the last days, their friendship is
important for me.

valete bene
Fr. Apulus Caesar
your bionic consul :-)




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That's recovery not recovered

Oops

Vale

TGP

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:48 PM
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Salve Consul

I very much agree with the sentiments that have been expressed and also wish you well in your time of recovered and will pray that you mend in record time.

All the best.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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Subject: [Nova-Roma] my past absence


salvete omnes,
I'm sorry for my recentabsenve, as some of you know, the last 15th
september I had an accident with my motorcycle caused by a crazy car.
The result was a broken arm and many wounds. I was in hospital for 5
days where I have been submitted to a surgical operation to the left
arm. Today is my first day at home, I'm well but I'll can't use my arm
for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another operation in October.
In any way my job as Consul will continue and I'll use this period
of "forced relax" to accomplish some of my projects.
I thank everyone supported me in the last days, their friendship is
important for me.

valete bene
Fr. Apulus Caesar
your bionic consul :-)




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Salve,

There was a question asked in the Rome HBO Yahoogroup
that I hope someone who saw Sunday's episode can
answer.

"What was the slave doing to Mark Antony when we had
the pleasure of seeing him naked?"

Someone there answered with this:

I believe the slave was scraping him with a strigil
which was a common ritual in Greek and Roman baths.

Is this correct?

Quintus Servilius Priscus

> In front by
> little more than a stride, amid roars and cheers from
> the crowds, Magnus in Orionis Draco flashes across the
> creta and wins it for the blues and for his owner T.
> Licinius Crassus.

Cheers and Falernian to Crassus for his oustanding victory!

> A more exciting race has rarely been
> seen.

Kudos to Livia and her staff! A most excellent event!

> As Magnus gives a lap of honour, news comes in from
> the physicians. Felix Celeris is lucky indeed: his arm
> and shoulder are broken, and his skin badly cut and
> grazed, but he's alive and likely to recover to race
> another day.

Vitellian sources at the Factio Veneta Stables have announced that
Felix Celeris is being taken for private recovery to Triarius'
Private Villa in Sicily for recovery. The attending physician also
advises that he will be ready for the Ludi Plebii in November. Work
will begin soon on a new, state-of-the-art chariot, which will be
named "Velox Puteulanus Sors II".

Vale optime,
Team Triarius

Yes. I have one myself. A strigil that is not a slave.
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wrote:

> Salve,
>
> There was a question asked in the Rome HBO

Yahoogroup

> that I hope someone who saw Sunday's episode can
> answer.
>
> "What was the slave doing to Mark Antony when we had
> the pleasure of seeing him naked?"
>
> Someone there answered with this:
>
> I believe the slave was scraping him with a strigil
> which was a common ritual in Greek and Roman baths.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Quintus Servilius Priscus
>

S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

Marcvs Flavivs Fides
Roman Citizen



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Salve Apule Caesar amice,

Felice di sapere che ti trovi bene e a casa, mi auguro un pronto ricupero.

Vale optime

Complutensis
Propraetor Hispaniae

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Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: martes, 20 de septiembre de 2005 1:54
Asunto: [Nova-Roma] my past absence


salvete omnes,
I'm sorry for my recentabsenve, as some of you know, the last 15th
september I had an accident with my motorcycle caused by a crazy car.
The result was a broken arm and many wounds. I was in hospital for 5
days where I have been submitted to a surgical operation to the left
arm. Today is my first day at home, I'm well but I'll can't use my arm
for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another operation in October.
In any way my job as Consul will continue and I'll use this period
of "forced relax" to accomplish some of my projects.
I thank everyone supported me in the last days, their friendship is
important for me.

valete bene
Fr. Apulus Caesar
your bionic consul :-)




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A. Tullia Scholastica C. Minucioi Hadriano Felici quiritibus, sociis,
peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

> C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> David Kling wrote:
>
>> The third ritual was a Rite of Offering to Minerva which was presided
> over
>> by Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix, but I will let Hadrianus post the
> test of
>> his ritual himself.
>>
>> The festival was a success, and much Roman discussion was had!
>>
>> Valete;
>>
>> C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
>>
>> Pontifex, Flamen Pomonalis, and Augur
>>
>
> Salvete.
>
> I performed the third ritual, a caerimonia to Dea Minvera. The ritual
> was conducted by myself, with C. Fabius Buteo Modianus and Q. Caecilius
> Metellus assisting, and another festival attendee who graciously got out
> of bed at 7:00 AM to play the flute. Offerings were made to Iane Pater,
> Iupiter Optimus Maximus, Dea Iuno, Dea Minerva, and Vesta Mater. I would
> like to thank both Q. Caecilius Metellus and A. Tullia Scholastica for
> thier help in translating and proofreading the Latin text of the ritual.

Thank you for your kind words, but the only part of this ritual I read
over in advance was the one Metellus sent me, the pretty prayer to Minerva
beginning with 'dea Minerva, dea caesia.' In addition, some corrections I
had sent to him (the more elegant 'huc,' 'hither' for 'ad hunc locum,' 'to
this place,' as well as some others) don't appear here.

There is a correction in the frequently-cited ritual below beginning
with 'Iane pater,' however--as I mentioned to Pontifex Scaurus last year,
the word 'ommovendo' lost its initial 'c' along the way, and should read
'commovendo' in all instances, a matter to which Pontifex Scaurus seemed to
agree. 'Ommovendo' doesn't exist in Latin, but 'commovendo' certainly does.

>
> I bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga praetexta, cinctu gabino,
> capite velato, began the praefatio:
>
> Praefatio
>
> "Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
> propitius mihi, Senatui Populoque Novae Romae, huique congregationi.²
>
> [Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
> that you may be willingly propitious to me, the Senate and People of
> Nova Roma, and this gathering.]
>
> I placed incense in the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti
> sies volens propitius mihi, Senatui Populoque Novae Romae, huique
> congregationi.²
>
> [Iuppiter Best and Greatest, by offering this incense to you I pray god
> prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me, the Senate and
> People of Nova Roma, and this gathering.]
>
> I placed incense in the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iuno Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
> propitia mihi, Senatui Populoque Novae Romae, huique congregationi.²
>
> [Goddess Iuno, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
> that you may be willingly propitious to me the Senate and People of Nova
> Roma, and this gathering.]
>
> I placed incense in the focus of the altar..
>
> "Minerva Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
> propitia mihi, Senatui Populoque Novae Romae, huique congregationi.²
>
> [Goddess Minerva, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers,
> so that you may be willingly propitious to me the Senate and People of
> Nova Roma, and this gathering.]
>
> I placed incense in the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
> eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.²
>
> [Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
> well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]
>
> I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene
> precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.²
>
> [Iuppiter Best and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous
> prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this
> humble wine.]
>
> I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, iusdem
> rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.²
>
> [Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
> well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]
>
> I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.
>
> I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.
>
> Precatio
>
> ³Dea Minerva, dea caesia, urbium servatrix, quae aegidem auream teneas,
> et a populo Romano amata, tibi precor, te invoco, ut ad conventionem
> tuas gratias et sapientiam donum hui congregationi quae ad hunc locum
> advenit ad discendam de Dis Romae causam des. Eiusdem rei, ergo macte
> ture dono inferio esto.²
>
> [Divine Minerva, grey eyed Goddess, saviour of cities, bearer of the
> golden Aegis and beloved of the Roman people, I pray to you and call
> upon you to grant your blessings upon this gathering and bestow your
> gift of wisdom generously upon those who have come to this place to
> learn of the Gods of Rome. For the sake of these prayers, please accept
> and be honored by this humble sacrifice of incense.]
>
> I placed incense in the focus of the altar
>
> ³Dea Minerva, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
> eiusdem rei ergo macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio
> esto.²
>
> [Goddess Minerva, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers
> were well prayed, for the sake of this may you be honoured by this feast
> offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine.]
>
> I placed cakes on the focus of the altar. I poured a libation on the
> focus of the altar.
>
> I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.
>
> Redditio
>
> "Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
> eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.²
>
> [Goddess Minerva, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers
> were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]
>
> I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
> rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.²
>
> [Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
> well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]
>
> I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
> eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.²
>
> [Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
> well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]
>
> I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto.²
>
> [Goddess Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble
> wine.]
>
> I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.
>
> Piaculum
>
> "Dea Minerva, si quidquam tibi in hac aut ulla caerimonia displicet, hoc
> ture veniam peto et vitium meum expio.
>
> [Goddess Minerva, if anything in this or any ceremony is displeasing to
> you, with this incense I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]"
>
> I placed incense on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Dea Minerva, si quidquam tibi in hac aut ulla caerimonia displicet, hoc
> vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio.
>
> [Goddess Minerva, if anything in this or any ceremony is displeasing to
> you, with this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]"
>
> I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.
>
> ³Di obsecro vostram fidem²
>
> [Gods, may you keep your faith.]
>
> "Illicet²
>
> [It is permitted to go.]
>
> Valete bene,
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
>
>
>
>
>
>

Salve Caesar,

<I'm well but

> I'll can't use my arm
> for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another operation
> in October.

Sounds awful. I wish you the best of luck and a swift
recovery.

Vale,
Diana



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avete omnes,

I've just got that the list that I've posted here was totally a mess
(at least on the digest version) So, here you are again for the list'
sake.

Acerra
Aizanoi
Alba Fucens
Alexandria
Alife
Amiternum
Amman
Ankara
Anzio
Aosta
Aphrodisias
Aquino
Arles
Arycanda
Ascoli
Asolo
Aspendos
Atene
Augst
Benevagenna
Benevento
Bevagna
Bologna
Bosra
Brescia
Jendouba (Bulla Regia)
Calvi Resorta
Carcassonne
Carsulae
Cartagena
Cassino
Catania
Catania (odeon)
Champlieu
Chemtou
Chieti
Cividate Camuno
Corfino
Coruña del Conde
Seforis/Diocesarea
Efeso
Efeso (odeon)
Ercolano
Falerone
Fano
Ferentum
Fiesole
Frascati-Tusculum
Frejus
Gabala
Galeata
Gerasa/Jerash
Gortina
Gubbio
Helvia Recina
Hierapolis
Italica
Iuvanum
Kas
Lecce
Leptis Magna
Libarna
Lione
Lione (odeon)
Liternum
Luni
Malaga
Merida
Mileto
Minturno
Misenum
Montegrotto
Morgantina
Napoli
Nocera Superiore
Nora
Orange
Ostia
Otricoli
Palmira
Patara
Pergamum/Bergama
Perge
Petra
Pietra Abbondante
Plovdiv
Pola
Pollentia
Pollenzo
Pompei
Posillipo
Posillipo (Odeon)
Roma (Marcellus')
Roma (Pompey's)
Roma (Balbo's)
Roma (Domitian's Odeon)
Ronda
Sabratha
Saepinum
Saguntum
Salonae
Sardi
Scolacium
Segobriga
Sepino
Serik - Aspendos
Sessa Aurunca
Soli
Soluntum
Sparta
Spoleto
Taormina
Tarraco
Teano
Teramo
Terracina
Timgad
Torino
Trieste
Urbisaglia
Vaison La Romaine
Venafro
Ventimiglia
Verona
Vicenza
Vienne
Volterra
Zilil

vale
M IVL PERVSIANVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius <m_iulius@y...> wrote:
> avete omnes,
>
> a long time passed since my last issue about this subject but
finally here I am with a list of a kind of monuments so common in the
roman world and scattered quite everywhere in Eurepe, Middle East and
North Africa.
> These are the theatres! This is a draft list and mind just some
little warnings when reading please:
> - we have here only Roman theatres, which differently from the Greek
one, were often built on plain (not necessarily leaning on a slope),
closed with perimetral walls of the same height;
> - the Roman Theathe presented a scaena frons, a monumental
background to close the stage at the back of the actors.
> - odeons (a building with more or less the same architecture of a
theathre, but with smaller dimensions and often covered) are included;
>
> AcerraAizanoiAlba
FucensAlexandriaAlifeAmiternumAmmanAnkaraAnzioAostaAphrodisiasAquinoArlesArycandaAscoliAsoloAspendosAteneAugstBenevagennaBeneventoBevagna
BolognaBosraBresciaJendouba (Bulla Regia)Calvi
ResortaCarcassonneCarsulaeCartagenaCassinoCataniaCatania
(odeon)ChamplieuChemtouChietiCividate Camuno CorfinoCoruña del
CondeSeforis/DiocesareaEfesoEfeso (odeon)ErcolanoFalerone
FanoFerentumFiesoleFrascati-TusculumFrejusGabala
GaleataGerasa/JerashGortina GubbioHelvia
RecinaHierapolisItalicaIuvanumKasLecceLeptis MagnaLibarnaLioneLione
(odeon)LiternumLuniMalagaMeridaMiletoMinturnoMisenumMontegrottoMorgantinaNapoliNocera
SuperioreNoraOrangeOstia
OtricoliPalmiraPataraPergamum/BergamaPergePetra Pietra
AbbondanetePlovdivPola Pollentia PollenzoPompeiPosillipoPosillipo
(Odeon)Roma (Marcellus)Roma (Pompey)Roma (Balbo)Roma (Domitian's
Odeon)RondaSabrathaSaepinumSaguntumSalonaeSardiScolaciumSegobrigaSepinoSerik
- AspendosSessa Aurunca
>
SoliSoluntumSpartaSpoletoTaorminaTarragonaTeanoTeramoTerracinaTimgadTorinoTrieste
UrbisagliaVaison La
RomaineVenafroVentimigliaVeronaVicenzaVienneVolterraZilil
>
> As always happened for previuos monuments (amphitheaters, arches,
bridges, circuses) all your comments, opinions, adds, corrections and
explanations are welcomed.
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
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ave Sexte Apolloni Scipio,

> I have tried something about mapping the monuments in Gallia.

Although it is just a

> beginning, only in French and geared towards only those who have

Google Earth installed,

> you may check about this project. Tell me if you are interested to

participate (in Italia

> or anywhere else) or if such a project already exists.

you know, I've just started something similar some days ago. My plan
is to map the amphitheaters on Google Earth as easier to see from the
sky (at least when the definition of pictures is better as in the main
city) rather than, say, an arch or a bridge or a paved road. The list,
of course, would be the one I have on the Signa Romanorum page at
http://italia.novaroma.org/signaromanorum/sr_lista_anf.htm

I'm doing the work off-line as G.E. still hasn't verified my email
account. Of course, once finished, I'll share with YOU what done.

In general I agree on your plan and can help on doing the Italian
section.

vale
M IVL PERVSIANVS

>
> --- Marcus Iulius <m_iulius@y...> wrote:
>
> > avete omnes,
> >
> > a long time passed since my last issue about this subject but

finally here I am with a

> > list of a kind of monuments so common in the roman world and

scattered quite everywhere

> > in Eurepe, Middle East and North Africa.
> > These are the theatres! This is a draft list and mind just some

little warnings when

> > reading please:
> > - we have here only Roman theatres, which differently from the

Greek one, were often

> > built on plain (not necessarily leaning on a slope), closed with

perimetral walls of

> > the same height;
> > - the Roman Theathe presented a scaena frons, a monumental

background to close the

> > stage at the back of the actors.
> > - odeons (a building with more or less the same architecture of a

theathre, but with

> > smaller dimensions and often covered) are included;
> >
> > AcerraAizanoiAlba
> >
>

FucensAlexandriaAlifeAmiternumAmmanAnkaraAnzioAostaAphrodisiasAquinoArlesArycandaAscoliAsoloAspendosAteneAugstBenevagennaBeneventoBevagna

> > BolognaBosraBresciaJendouba (Bulla Regia)Calvi
> > ResortaCarcassonneCarsulaeCartagenaCassinoCataniaCatania
> > (odeon)ChamplieuChemtouChietiCividate Camuno CorfinoCoruña del
> > CondeSeforis/DiocesareaEfesoEfeso (odeon)ErcolanoFalerone
> > FanoFerentumFiesoleFrascati-TusculumFrejusGabala

GaleataGerasa/JerashGortina

> > GubbioHelvia RecinaHierapolisItalicaIuvanumKasLecceLeptis

MagnaLibarnaLioneLione

> >

(odeon)LiternumLuniMalagaMeridaMiletoMinturnoMisenumMontegrottoMorgantinaNapoliNocera

> > SuperioreNoraOrangeOstia

OtricoliPalmiraPataraPergamum/BergamaPergePetra Pietra

> > AbbondanetePlovdivPola Pollentia PollenzoPompeiPosillipoPosillipo

(Odeon)Roma

> > (Marcellus)Roma (Pompey)Roma (Balbo)Roma (Domitian's
> >

Odeon)RondaSabrathaSaepinumSaguntumSalonaeSardiScolaciumSegobrigaSepinoSerik
-

> > AspendosSessa Aurunca
> >

SoliSoluntumSpartaSpoletoTaorminaTarragonaTeanoTeramoTerracinaTimgadTorinoTrieste

> > UrbisagliaVaison La

RomaineVenafroVentimigliaVeronaVicenzaVienneVolterraZilil

> >
> > As always happened for previuos monuments (amphitheaters, arches,

bridges, circuses)

> > all your comments, opinions, adds, corrections and explanations

are welcomed.

> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > M·IVL·PERVSIANVS
> > ------------------------------
> > Senator et Praetor Novae Romae·Vicarius
> > Propraetoris Italiae·Aedilis Urbis·
> > -----------------------------------------
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AVE PERUSIANE AMICE !

A great work. ( as usual ). Your site is great and your contribution
deserve our thanks. I saw to the net your presence to the Comitato
per il Parco della Caffarella. Now I understand why the visit of
that area in august it was your job.
Thanks.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Iulius Perusianus"
<m_iulius@y...> wrote:

> avete omnes,
>
> I've just got that the list that I've posted here was totally a

mess

> (at least on the digest version) So, here you are again for the

list'

> sake.
>
> Acerra
> Aizanoi

Q. Metellus A. Tulliae Scholasticae sal.

> Thank you for your kind words, but the only part of this ritual I read
> over in advance was the one Metellus sent me, the pretty prayer to Minerva
> beginning with 'dea Minerva, dea caesia.' In addition, some corrections I
> had sent to him (the more elegant 'huc,' 'hither' for 'ad hunc locum,' 'to
> this place,' as well as some others) don't appear here.

Actually, that correction was in the ritual we used (as well as the use
of 'coetus'). I just failed to email the edited text to Hadrianus. I
printed it out after (I thought) he was in the air, and presented it to
him at the gathering.

> There is a correction in the frequently-cited ritual below beginning
> with 'Iane pater,' however--as I mentioned to Pontifex Scaurus last year,
> the word 'ommovendo' lost its initial 'c' along the way, and should read
> 'commovendo' in all instances, a matter to which Pontifex Scaurus seemed to
> agree. 'Ommovendo' doesn't exist in Latin, but 'commovendo' certainly does.

I've actually had problems with this myself. I have seen a few texts
with the 'ommovendo', some citing it as the assimilated form of
'obmovendo', others as being, as you cite, 'commovendo', lacking the
first letter. I believe the Teubner text has the latter form, though
the 'c-' is inserted, between braces. I prefer the 'commovendo' myself,
but I'm not quite sure if one could really be better than the other. It
seems odd that Cato would have dropped the letter, especially since it
follows a vowel rather than another consonant, but that's a purely
academic conversation there.

Q. Metellus C. Buteoni C. Minucio Quiritibusque sal.

> The first ritual was the Inauguration of our newest Pontifex, Quintus
> Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus Pius, by myself. Metellus made offerings
> to Iuppiter and Quirinus, and the augury that was taken by myself was
> excellent. Very positive omens were seen right away indicating that the Gods
> were very pleased. Text of the Inauguration are below.

For which I have a great deal of thanks to you, Buteo.

Indeed it seems the Gods were happy that morning. As I understand it (I
was busy offering, and couldn't pay attention to much else), the avian
activity became non-existent from the start of the offering until Augur
Buteo began the inauguratio proper, at which time said activity was
profuse, which then returned to its non-existence after the auspices
were declared. So to say that I was surprised would be quite an
understatement. I hope not to let the Gods down.

[...]

> The festival was a success, and much Roman discussion was had!

As well as two workshops on Roman Religion, lest we forget. The sexual
status of Vestal Virgins for next year seemed to be the request. We'll
see what I can come up with for that one.

Valete Bene,

Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Pontifex Inauguratus

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem XII Kalendas Octobris; haec dies comitialis est.

"Pacta sunt servanda." (Agreements are to be kept) - Cicero

"The new consuls were M. Fabius Ambustus and M. Popilius Laenas, each
for the second time. They had two wars on hand. The one which Laenas
waged against the Tiburtines presented little difficulty; after
driving them into their city he ravaged their fields. The other
consul, who was operating against the Faliscans and Tarquinians, met
with a defeat in the first battle. What mainly contributed to it and
produced a real terror amongst the Romans was the extraordinary
spectacle presented by their priests who, brandishing lighted torches
and with what looked like snakes entwined in their hair, came on like
so many Furies. At this sight the Romans were like men distraught or
thunderstruck and rushed in a panic-stricken mass into their
entrenchments. The consul and his staff officers and the military
tribunes laughed at them and scolded them for being terrified by
conjuring tricks like a lot of boys. Stung by a feeling of shame, they
suddenly passed from a state of terror to one of reckless daring, and
they rushed like blind men against what they had just fled from. When,
after scattering the idle pageantry of the enemy, they got at the
armed men behind, they routed the entire army. The same day they
gained possession of the camp, and after securing an immense amount of
booty returned home flushed with victory, jesting as soldiers do, and
deriding the enemy's contrivance and their own panic. This led to a
rising of the whole of Etruria, and under the leadership of the
Tarquinians and Faliscans they marched to the salt-works. In this
emergency C. Marcius Rutilus was nominated Dictator - the first
Dictator nominated from the plebs - and he appointed as Master of the
Horse C. Plautius, also a plebeian. The patricians were indignant at
even the dictatorship becoming common property, and they offered all
the resistance in their power to any decree being passed or any
preparations made to help the Dictator in prosecuting that war. This
only made the people more ready to adopt every proposal which the
Dictator made. On leaving the City he marched along both banks of the
Tiber, ferrying the troops across in whichever direction the enemy
were reported to be; in this way he surprised many of the raiders
scattered about the fields. Finally he surprised and captured their
camp; 8000 prisoners were taken, the rest were either killed or hunted
out of the Roman territory. By an order of the people which was not
confirmed by the senate a triumph was awarded him. As the senate would
not have the elections conducted by a plebeian Dictator or a plebeian
consul, they fell back on an interregnum. There was a succession of
interreges - Q. Servilius Ahala, M. Fabius, Cn. Manlius, C. Fabius, C.
Sulpicius, L. Aemilius, Q. Servilius, and M. Fabius Ambustus. In the
second of these interregna a contest arose because two patrician
consuls were elected. When the tribunes interposed their veto and
appealed to the Licinian Law, Fabius, the interrex, said that it was
laid down in the Twelve Tables that whatever was the last order that
the people made that should have the force of law, and the people had
made an order by electing the two consuls. The tribunes' veto only
availed to postpone the elections, and ultimately two patrician
consuls were elected, namely C. Sulpicius Peticus (for the third time)
and M. Valerius Publicola. They entered upon their office the day they
were elected." - Livy, History of Rome 7.17


"Alexander cried when he heard Anaxarchus talk about the infinite
number of worlds in the universe. One of Alexander's friends asked him
what was the matter, and he replied: 'There are so many worlds, and I
have not yet conquered even one.' " - Plutarch, Moralia "On
Contentment of the Mind"

"Alexander was born the sixth of Hecatombaeon, which month the
Macedonians call Lous, the same day that the temple of Diana at
Ephesus was burnt; which Hegesias of Magnesia makes the occasion of a
conceit, frigid enough to have stopped the conflagration. The temple,
he says, took fire and was burnt while its mistress was absent,
assisting at the birth of Alexander. And all the Eastern soothsayers
who happened to be then at Ephesus, looking upon the ruin of this
temple to be the forerunner of some other calamity, ran about the
town, beating their faces, and crying that this day had brought forth
something that would prove fatal and destructive to all Asia." -
Plutarch, "Alexander"

In ancient Greece, today was celebrated as the birthday of Alexander
the Great (356-323 B.C.). Alexandros III Philippou Makedonon,
commonly known in the West as Alexander the Great or Alexander III of
Macedon, was the most successful military commander of ancient
history, conquering most of the known world before his death.
Alexander is known in Middle Persian literature as Alexander the
Cursed due to his burning of the Persian capital and national library.
He is also known in Eastern traditions as Dhul-Qarnayn (the two-horned
one), because an image on coins minted during his rule seemed to
depict him with the two ram's horns of the Egyptian god Ammon. In
north-east India and modern-day Pakistan he is known as
Sikander-e-Azam (Alexander the Great) and many male children are named
Sikander after him.

Following the unification of the multiple city-states of Ancient
Greece under the rule of his father, Philip II of Macedon, (a labor
Alexander had to repeat - twice - because the southern Greeks rebelled
after Philip's death), Alexander conquered the Persian Empire,
including Anatolia, Syria, Phoenicia, Gaza, Egypt, Bactria and
Mesopotamia, and extended the boundaries of his own empire as far as
the Punjab. Alexander integrated non-Greeks into his army and
administration, leading some scholars to credit him with a
"policy of fusion." He encouraged marriage between Greeks and
non-Greeks, and practiced it himself. This was extremely unusual for
the ancient world. After twelve years of constant military
campaigning, Alexander died, probably of malaria, typhoid or possibly
a viral encephalitis. His conquests ushered in centuries of
Greco-Macedonian settlement and rule over non-Greek areas, a period
known as the Hellenistic Age. Alexander himself lived on in the
history and myth of both Greek and non-Greek peoples. Already during
his lifetime, and especially after his death, his exploits inspired a
literary tradition in which he appears as a towering legendary hero in
the tradition of Achilles.

Modern opinion on Alexander has run the gamut from the idea that he
believed he was on a divinely-inspired mission to unite the human
race, to the view that he was the ancient world's equivalent of
Napoleon I of France or Adolf Hitler, a megalomaniac bent on world
domination. Such views tend to be anachronistic, however, and the
sources allow a variety of interpretations. Much about Alexander's
personality and aims remains enigmatic.

Alexander is remembered as a legendary hero in Europe and much of both
Southwest Asia and Central Asia, where he is known as Iskander or
Iskandar Zulkarnain. To Zoroastrians, on the other hand, he is
remembered as the destroyer of their first great empire and as the
leveller of Persepolis. Ancient sources are generally written with an
agenda of either glorifying or denigrating the man, making it
difficult to evaluate his actual character. Most refer to a growing
instability and megalomania in the years following Gaugamela, but it
has been suggested that this simply reflects the Greek stereotype of a
Medizing king. The murder of his friend Clitus, which Alexander deeply
and immediately regretted, is often pointed to, as is his execution of
Philotas and his general Parmenion for failure to pass along details
of a plot against him, though this last may have been prudence rather
than paranoia. Modern Alexandrists continue to debate these same
issues, among others, in modern times. One unresolved topic involves
whether Alexander was actually attempting to better the world by his
conquests, or whether his purpose was primarily to rule the world.

Partially in response to the ubiquity of positive portrayals of
Alexander, an alternate character is sometimes presented which
emphasizes some of Alexander's negative aspects. Some proponents of
this view cite the destructions of Thebes, Tyre, Persepolis, and Gaza
as examples of atrocities, and argue that Alexander preferred to fight
rather than negotiate. It is further claimed, in response to the view
that Alexander was generally tolerant of the cultures of those whom he
conquered, that his attempts at cultural fusion were severely
practical and that he never actually admired Persian art or culture.
To this way of thinking, Alexander was, first and foremost, a general
rather than a statesman.

Alexander's character also suffers from the interpretation of
historians who themselves are subject to the bias and idealisms of
their own time. Good examples are W. W. Tarn, who wrote during the
late 19th century and early 20th century, and who saw Alexander in an
extremely good light, and Peter Green, who wrote after World War II
and for whom Alexander did little that was not inherently selfish or
ambition-driven. Tarn wrote in an age where world conquest and
warrior-heroes were acceptable, even encouraged, whereas Green wrote
with the backdrop of the Holocaust and nuclear weapons. As a result,
Alexander's character is skewed depending on which way the historian's
own culture is, and further muddles the debate of who he truly was.

Alexander was a legend in his own time. His court historian
Callisthenes portrayed the sea in Cilicia as drawing back from him in
proskynesis. Writing after Alexander's death, another participant,
Onesicritus, went so far as to invent a tryst between Alexander and
Thalestris, queen of the mythical Amazons. (When Onesicritus read this
passage to his patron, Alexander's general and later King Lysimachus,
Lysimachus quipped "I wonder where I was at the time.")

In the first centuries after Alexander's death, probably in
Alexandria, a quantity of the more legendary material coalesced into a
text known as the Alexander Romance, later falsely ascribed to the
historian Callisthenes and therefore known as Pseudo-Callisthenes.
This text underwent numerous expansions and revisions throughout
Antiquity and the Middle Ages, exhibiting a plasticity unseen in
"higher" literary forms. Latin and Syriac translations were made in
Late Antiquity. From these, versions were developed in all the major
languages of Europe and the Middle East, including Armenian, Georgian,
Persian, Arabic, Turkish, Hebrew, Serbian, Slavonic, Romanian,
Hungarian, German, English, Italian, and French. The "Romance" is
regarded by most Western scholars as the source of the account of
Alexander given in the Koran (Sura The Cave). A Mongol version is
also extant.

Alexander was often identified in Persian and Arabic-language sources
as "Dhu-'l Qarnayn", Arabic for the "Horned One", possibly a reference
to the appearance of the Hercules head that appears on coins minted
during his rule. Islamic accounts of the Alexander legend,
particularly in Persia combined the Pseudo-Callisthenes material with
indigenous Sasanid Persian ideas about Alexander. Pahlavi sources on
the Alexander legend devised a mythical genealogy for him whereby his
mother was a concubine of Darius II, making him the half-brother of
the last Achaemenid shah, Darius III, probably in order to justify his
domination of the old Persian Empire. Alexander is also blamed for
ending the golden age of Zoroastrianism by seizing and destroying the
original golden text of the Zend Avesta by throwing it into the sea.

Alexander had vast plans, including his governmental reorganization
and an expedition to Arabia. But he was taken seriously ill with
malaria at Babylon. The simple remedies of the day did not help him.
He died on June 13, 323 B.C. His body was placed in a gold coffin and
taken to Memphis, in Egypt. Later it was carried to Alexandria, and
placed in a beautiful tomb --- the location of which to this day is
unknown. Alexander left no choice for a successor. His only son,
Alexander IV, was born after Alexander's death. As a result,
Alexander's leading generals became governors of various areas and
fought among themselves for control of the Empire. But no single
leader emerged, and by 311 B.C. the empire split into independant
states or monarchies.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/Livy/), Alexander
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great) and
(http://www.hackneys.com/alex_web/) and
(http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/8740/Alexander.htm)

salve fides,
sorry if i use only minuscule but i'm unable to use the maiuscule
with just one hand

> Im happy you are well but I must ask...what is it
> about Italians and motorcycle accidents?

like valentino rossi and marco melandri in the last GP... ;-)
we italians love the motorbikes but it seems that our car drivers
sometimes forget the rules of the street...

>Wow. Gods
> bless you.

thank you very much, like an ancient roman i'm taking this unlucky
event with optimism and braveness. noe you could call me Scaevola :-D

vale
fac

salve pauline,
yes i agree with you but unluckly in italy we havo not so big car
and i don't like much them. I love the motorbikes and firstly the
little and old and funny vespa. luckly now my black vespa cl 125 is
not destroyed and it will be recovered before than me. but i'll
leave not it, i'll take again it when my arm will be recovered. ;-)

vale
fac


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

> Salve Consul Caesar,
>
> I used to drive motorcycles at a younger age but as the traffic

grew

> worse over the years I figured there were a lot of crazies and

that

> you cannot put flesh against steel. Now I drive a 1/2 ton pickup

truck

> and though the fuel costs more, I don't worry nearly as much

about

> being cut off; cars avoid me like the plague on busy freeways and

city

> roads.
>
> All the best and hope you recover soon!
>
> Regards,
>
> qlp
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <fraelov@y...> wrote:
> > salvete omnes,
> > I'm sorry for my recentabsenve, as some of you know, the last

15th

> > september I had an accident with my motorcycle caused by a crazy
> car.
> > The result was a broken arm and many wounds. I was in hospital

for 5

> > days where I have been submitted to a surgical operation to the

left

> > arm. Today is my first day at home, I'm well but I'll can't use

my

> arm
> > for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another operation in October.
> > In any way my job as Consul will continue and I'll use this

period

> > of "forced relax" to accomplish some of my projects.
> > I thank everyone supported me in the last days, their friendship

is

> > important for me.
> >
> > valete bene
> > Fr. Apulus Caesar
> > your bionic consul :-)

salve perusianus, amice,
congratulations for your excellent job, i'm seeing the project is
growing as well as possible. nr should produce more projects like this
and with the spirit you're using.
did you thought to create a dynamical database like the
spanish "monumentalia" or a multimedial product?

vale
fac

G. Equitius Cato Fr. Apulo Caesari S.P.D.

Salve consul!

Wow. I'll bet you were caught up in a high-speed chase on a
motorcycle involving an international diamond-theft ring and several
escaped zoo animals, yes? But you can't tell us because you're sworn
to secrecy? Boy, I should move to Italy.

Of course, I'd have to get a driver's license to realy get involved,
but...

Hope you recover quickly!

Vale optime,

Cato

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana, proud owner of quadrivium
Velociraptor and the amazing Spandex SPD.

Salve, T. Lucini Crasse, Gn. Equiti Marine. We have learned
alot from your teams and your charioteers.

Salve, L. Vitelli Triari. Celeris was very lucky. Perhaps
he was a little overconfident from his last win? We've
stitched up the horse he injured. It would be best if he
resolved not to slash another team in the future. Have you
stitched up your driver yet? Too bad about the chariot.
We dug some nasty splinters out of team Velociraptor. Anyway,
a race is just a race, and we hope Celeris will be well
enough to run a better race next time.

Spandex and Velociraptor of course "will be back" (pronounced
with a heavy Germanic accent, although Spandex's Latin, like
Propraetor Arnoldus S.'s English, is improving). Spandex is
always stretching for victory, which is why we bought him.

He is intelligent and flexible enough to take this race in
stride. His character has great elasticity, and he will
rebound to meet the expectations of his new fans, many of
them converted from russato as he sprang from his chariot
in the melee, with his first thought not to himself, but
only to the safety of his horses, one of which was bleeding
rather badly where Celeris had slashed him.

An excellent performance for a first race in Roma. As a
reward, Spandex has been made Master of Horse for the familia
stables. He has taken note of Triarus's horse to right of
centre . . . Triari, are you interested in selling?

> He understands Spandex' strategy now: running on the
> outside and crowding the other chariots into the turns,
> trying to cause an accident. And he knows how to avoid it:
>

OK guys, a more variable plan next time.

<snip>

>
> Now Spandex is trying something else. He is certainly
> resourceful!

You bet he is!

> Celeris, a less experienced driver, is now glancing
> over his shoulder in worry at the horses almost biting
> at his heels.
>

We really hadn't thought of that, but training the horses
to bite is a pretty cool idea. Mean though. Which Spandex
isn't. Just wily. Besides which, he loves horses.

<snip>

>

> to draw level with Magnus; but Spandex lashes his
> horses hard, puts on a burst of speed, and comes so
> close to the back of Celeris' chariot that his horses
> are almost hitting it with their hooves. Celeris turns
> and raises his whip. . . . <snip>

> serious accident. Celeris' arm goes up... but he's
> taken his eye off the track just as he's coming into a
> tight turn. The axle of his chariot scrapes along the
> stones of the spina with a shriek. Sparks fly. Caught
> off balance, Celeris strikes off-target

Serves him right!

>

<snip>

>
> Now the pressure is really on: this is the second-last
> lap. <snip>
> Meanwhile, Celeris sees that this is his
> chance; but he's more concerned to get away from the
> crazy German than he is about winning the race.

Keep your eye on the ball, amice.

><snip>
>
> Celeris needs more speed; he takes the turn as tightly
> as he can. But what's this? His axle is straining under
> the stress of the tight turn at high speed. It's already
> been bashed in his early collision with his team-mate,
> and was damaged by his scrape with the spina;

(Which was brought on by whaaat? By his vicious lash at
Spandex's horses! I should weep?)

> this is more than it can take. The wood splinters;
> iron bolts fly through the air. Celeris knows he's
> lost it; now all he's worried about is getting out alive.

(see also previous remark) Well, all in all, it's just a
race; we too hope he gets out alive. Spandex's beaten horse
only has a bloody ear and a gash as long as Spandex's palm.

>
><snip>
>
> Spandex' horses are now on top of the wrecked chariot,
> smashing wood with their hooves and stumbling in the
> dust. They would be trampling Celeris underfoot if he
> hadn't been thrown clear.
>

And what they're saying in equine-speak would singe Celeris
bald if he could understand them (which of course he can't,
because by this time he's unconscious).

> <snip>

> track and cluster round him. Meanwhile Spandex'
> chariot has swung round in a wide arc and slammed into
> the spina back to front, tangled in the horses' reins;
> but Spandex, who had more warning than his unfortunate
> competitor, has cut himself free, and jumps clear of
> the wreck. The race is over for him.
>

Flexible fellow, our Spandex.

<snip>

>
> A more exciting race has rarely been seen.
>

Nuff said. The Howie Meeker of chariot race commentators
is no slouch either.

>
> another day. Indeed the crowd has so enjoyed the race
> that it would be delighted to see any of these four
> fine drivers back in the circus again. Their owners
> can all be mightily proud.
>
>

And so we are. Go git 'em, Velociraptor!


Vale, et valete bene in pace Deorum

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

ave Francisce et Sabine, amici

> did you thought to create a dynamical database like the
> spanish "monumentalia" or a multimedial product?

of course I've thought about that. Only I need a person who, unlike me
who only knows html, knows how put relational databases on-line.
mmmm...I'm wondiring who could be this one??!!! ;-))

> great work. ( as usual ). Your site is great and your contribution
>deserve our thanks. I saw to the net your presence to the Comitato
>per il Parco della Caffarella. Now I understand why the visit of
>that area in august it was your job.

thanks you both! yeah, we, as Nova Roma Italia, have begun a special
relationship with those people from Valle della Caffarella, the valley
laying between Via Latina and Appian Way in their first miles.
Also, as some of you already know, they're helping us in the CD
project about the Appian Way. Mote to come later in the year :-)

valete
M IVL PERVSIANVS

Salve Consul,

I wish you a quick recovery and I am glad to see that despite this accident you still
want to ride your scooter. This tells a lot about your determination and strength.

Optime Vale,



Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae

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having five points (from a possible 16).

In the theatrical quiz, first place goes to Ti.
Galerius Paulinus, with 2 correct answers, and second
place goes to Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, with 1 correct
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I'll try to publish the full list of questions along
with correct answers (and common mistakes) in the next
few days.

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Utinam convalescas celerrime et deinde valeas optime!

Sextus Pilatus Barbatus



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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of FAC
Sent: 20 September 2005 00:55
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] my past absence



salvete omnes,
I'm sorry for my recentabsenve, as some of you know, the last 15th
september I had an accident with my motorcycle caused by a crazy car.
The result was a broken arm and many wounds. I was in hospital for 5
days where I have been submitted to a surgical operation to the left
arm. Today is my first day at home, I'm well but I'll can't use my arm
for 4 or 5 months and I'll must do another operation in October.
In any way my job as Consul will continue and I'll use this period
of "forced relax" to accomplish some of my projects.
I thank everyone supported me in the last days, their friendship is
important for me.

valete bene
Fr. Apulus Caesar
your bionic consul :-)





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G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.

On the occasion of the Autumn Equinox, this item may be
appropriate. This post has gotten somewhat lost in the
torrent of messages surrounding the Pontificate. As i write,
there are 171 messsages between the original posting of
EYES ON THE SKIES -II eight short days ago, and this post.

The skies for the last quarter of 2758 auc still have some
awe-inspiring events in store for us--if only we take the
time to look upward. So I am re-sending the original post
now that a little calm has returned.

The peak of the sunspot/solar flare activity on the sun's
surface (in Group 10808) has passed, but the entry may interest
anyone who saw unusual auroral displays, or experienced cell
phone, radio or microwave transmission problems.

The Harvest Moon has also officially passed, but if you have
clear night skies, you should still see quite a full moon.
Having spent the evening of the 15th happily observing the
Harvest Moon, I am now (by Japanese tradition) required to
view the October full moon as well to complete the set.

A solar eclipse will soon be upon us, followed shortly by a
partial lunar eclipse, and . . .



-- On xii Septembris 2758 auc In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com,
"G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana" <silvanatextrix@g...> wrote:

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.

I've been remiss in my duties to Deus Horus, one of the deities
of domus Aurelia Falconis. I'd intended to get this to the list
by the beginning of Septembris, but . . . my apologies.

There are a number of significant events in the skies during
this fourth quarter of anno 2758. Lunar, solar and meteoric
events make this an interesting few months. Most of the event
dates and times are gleaned from SKY AND TELESCOPE, one of the
most comprehensive (and approachable) English-language sites on
astronomy at <http://skyandtelescope.com). From the home page,
go to the left sidebar and click "Observing." For lunar and
solar rise / set times, you can print out the full year's infor-
mation at HR MacMillan Space Centre (NB the Canadian spelling of
"centre") <http://hrmacmillanspacecentre.com>

SEPTEMBER 14 - 18: SOL
For devotees of Sol in any guise, Sunspot Group 10808 (formerly
called Group 10798), has been hyperactive in the last few days.
It gave birth to seven major X-class flares that have altered the
near-Earth environment, disrupted radio communications, and
created spectacular auroras. The group is large enough to see
with the unaided eye THROUGH A ***SAFE*** SOLAR FILTER. "808"
will rotate across the solar disc during the next two weeks,
with the greatest effects likely through about September 18.
Spacecraft, power grids and radio communications (including cell
phones) may be affected. Keep watch for especially beautiful
auroral displays.

SEPTEMBER 17: HARVEST MOON
This is the full moon closest to the autumn Equinox. The
Harvest Moon is in the night sky longer than any other full
moon, and traditionally provides extra light just when farmers
need it most. Why in this season? The moon orbits the Earth
nearly following a line called the ecliptic. Near the autumn
Equinox, the ecliptic makes its shallowest angle with the
horizon during the early evening. So the moon rises only 25
minutes later each night (usually it's 50 minutes later), and
shines brightly for several extra nights.

When you look at the Harvest Moon, give a thought to the Man in
the Moon. Because yes, Novi Romani, there is someone up there.
See "Tribute to Eugene Shoemaker" at the close of this post.

SEPTEMBER: MARS
Mars spends a brief period in Taurus in late September.

OCTOBER 3: SOL & LUNA
Solar eclipse: a true annular eclipse, where the moon never
completely hides the sun's disc, leaving a blazing ring around
the black bulk of the moon. The path of annularity starts in
the Atlantic Ocean, continues through Spain, Algeria, Tunisia,
Libya, Sudan, and Kenya, ending in the Indian Ocean. All of
Europa, the Middle East, Western Asia, and all but the
southernmost tip of Africa will see the sun partially eclipsed.

OCTOBER 17: LUNA
Partial lunar eclipse. Observers across the Pacific region, all
of Australia, much of the Far East, and most of North America
(except the Northeast) will see some darkening of the moon's
southern limb for about an hour. Mid-eclipse is 8:03 am Eastern
Daylight Time, 5:03 am Pacific Daylight Time.

OCTOBER 21: METEOR SHOWER
Orionid meteor shower in the southeastern sky (in Orion,
of course :-) ), peaking at about 2:00 am, rate of incidence
10 - 15 per hour. This and other meteor showeres are best
observed in the pre-dawn hours.

OCTOBER 30: MARS
Mars is closest to Earth on this day.

NOVEMBER: JUPITER
In early November, Jupiter rises in the eastern sky at dawn,
in Virgo. (Jupiter has been absent from the skies since its
conjunction with Venus back in September.)

NOVEMBER 7: MARS
Mars is in opposition to Earth (ie, on th opposite side of Sol).

NOVEMBER 17: METEOR SHOWER
Leonid shower in the eastern sky (in Leo, of course!). Peaking
about 2:00 am, rate of incidence 10 per hour.

DECEMBER: MERCURY
First half of this month is the best time for observing Mercury
(before sunrise).
DECEMBER 14: METEOR SHOWER
***MARK THIS ONE ON YOUR CALENDAR FOR SURE***
Geminid meteor shower in the southern sky (in Gemini, where else?).
Peaking around 2:00 am; rate of incidence ***75 per hour***


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In light of the Harvest Moon, a

TRIBUTE TO EUGENE SHOEMAKER

On January 6, 1998, the ashes of Eugene Shoemaker were launched
in a memorial capsule aboard Lunar Prospector. Over a year later,
in the final phase of its mission, Lunar Prospector was
deliberately crashed at the south Lunar pole as part of the search
for water on the moon. Prospector also carried Eugene Shoemaker,
finally, to the place he had spent a lifetime wanting to reach.
The date was July 31, 1999.

The general public got to know Shoemaker's name in 1993, when
Gene, his wife Carolyn, and David Levy discovered Comet Shoemaker-
Levy 9--the comet that executed such a spectacular crash dive
into the atmosphere of Jupiter in 1994. But Eugene Shoemaker
already had a long and accomplished history in planetary geology.

He had always wanted to go to the moon as an Apollo astronaut,
but health issues scrubbed him from the program. (I've often
wondered if the lame scientist in the Bruce Willis movie,
"Armageddon", wasn't modeled on Shoemaker.) Instead, he made
himself one of the world's pre-eminent (perhaps *the* pre-
eminent) planetary geologists, and established the Astrogeology
branch of the US Geological Survey at Flagstaff, Arizona. In
poignant irony, he helped select and train the Apollo astronauts
in lunar geology. During the moonwalks, he sat beside Walter
Cronkite giving geologic commentary. In 1992, he was awarded
the National Medal of Science, the highest scientific honor
bestowed by the President of the United States.

On July 18, 1997, Eugene Shoemaker was killed in a car accident
in Alice Springs, Australia. He was researching crater impact
geology. His wife Carolyn survived the crash.

A year before he died, Shoemaker is quoted as saying, "Not going
to the moon and banging on it with my own hammer has been the
biggest disappointment in life." But he made the best of what
he was given, with dignity and dedication. I have no way of
knowing if he ever read this passage, but he did emulate it:

"At every moment think steadily as a Roman and a human being, to
do what thou hast in hand with a perfect and simple dignity, and
feeling of affection, and freedom, and justice, and to give
thyself relief from all other thoughts. And thou wilt give
thyself relief, if thou doest every act of thy life as if it
were the last, laying aside all carelessness and all passionate
aversion to the commands of reason, and all hypocrisy, and all
self love and all discontent with the lot that has been given
thee. For thou seest how few those things are, the which if
one lays hold of them he is able to lead a life that flows in
quiet and is like the existence of the gods. For the gods on
their part will require nothing more of the one who observes
these things."
[Marcus Aurelius Antoninus. Meditations, II,v)


Around the capsule of Eugene Shoemaker's ashes is a piece of
brass foil inscribed with an image of Comet Hale-Bopp, the
last comet that he and Carolyn observed together, and which
was in the sky the year he died. The foil also carries his
favorite image of Meteor Crater, in Arizona. And it is inscribed
with a passage that expresses the enduring love between Carolyn
and Eugene Shoemaker. It also describes, in the words of his
former student Carolyn C. Porco, "what will now come to pass,
that every moon-lit sky will forever be made more beautiful by
Gene's inspiring presence." The passage is from Shakespeare's
"Romeo and Juliet":

"And when he shall die,
Take him and cut him out in little stars,
And he will make the face of heaven so fine
That all the world will be in love with night,
and pay no worship to the garish sun."


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Good night, Eugene. Here's looking at you!

Dii deasque Te amant.

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

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Sources:

articles on Eugene Shoemaker and links: <www.hypography.com>;
in the search bar, type Eugene Shoemaker.

"Eugene Shoemaker Ashes Carried on Lunar Prospector." University
of Arizona News Service, January 6, 1998.
<http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/news82.html>

Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, Meditations. Translated by George Long.
Book-of-the-Month Club, NY 1996.

Portraits of Eugene Shoemaker: on google's search page, click
"Images", then search Eugene Shoemaker.

Sky and Telescope <skyandtelescope.com>