Off topic, but very important for fellow Americans to
know about.
--- SPARENTE@... <SPARENTE@...> wrote:

>
>
> >>> <STORMZIP1@...> 9/28/2005 10:54 AM >>>
> PLEASE READ BELOW AND OPEN PICS......Virginia
> troopers>>>>>>>>SCUMBAGS!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 1:41 PM
>
> Subject: STATE TROOPERS AND THEIR COURTESY TO

FELLOW OFFICERS

>
>
>
>
>
> TO THE SUPERVISORS AND STATE OFFICIALS OF THE

BEAUTIFUL STATE OF

> VIRGINIA I
> WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL GREETINGS AND

ALSO TAKE THIS MOMENT

> TO
> ADDRESS A MATTER OF IMPORTANCE.
>
> I AM A FELLOW LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT WORKS

FOR THE NEW YORK CITY

>
> HIGHWAY PATROL. I AM ALSO A PROUD CITIZEN OF THIS

THE GREATEST

> COUNTRY EVER, THE
> UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. MY CONCERNS ARE AS

FOLLOWS:

>
> RECENTLY WE AS A NATION, HAD A TRAGIC AND

CATASTROPHIC NATURAL DISASTER

>
> INVADE OUR HOMELAND AND CAUSE AS YET UNTOLD LOSSES

OF LIFE AND

> DEVASTAING DAMAGE.
> ESTIMATES ARE CURRENTLY IN THE LOW ONE THOUSAND TO

AS YET UNDETERMINED

>
> NUMBER OF CASUALTIES. PROPERTY DAMAGE AND

UNRECOVERABLE PERSONAL

> ITEMS TOTAL NOW
> IN THE BILLION DOLLAR RANGE. HURRICANE KATRINA

(NAME DESTINED FOR

> RETIREMENT) WAS UNDOUBTEDLY ONE OF THE WORST

NATURAL DISASTERS TO HIT

> OUR NATION IN THE
> LAST CENTURY. A NATION WATCHED AS CITIES SEEMINGLY

WERE BEING WIPED

> OFF THE
> MAP AND NO SEMBLANCE OF WHAT ONCE WAS CONTINUED TO

EXIST. IN OUR

> DARKEST
> HOURS THE PROUDEST NATION ALONG WITH THE WORLD

STARTED TO FORMULATE A

> RESPONSE
> AND ALTHOUGH SLOW AT FIRST AND SHOCKINGLY SO, THE

RESPONSE EVENTUALLY

> CAME.
>
> ONE OF THE RESPONSES CAME FROM A PLACE ALL TO

FAMILIAR WITH TRAGEDIES

> AND
> GREAT LOSSES. NEW YORK CITY!!! PERHAPS THE ONE

CITY VIEWED IN ALL OF

> THE
> WORLD AS THE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. A CONTIGENT OF

APPROXIMATELY 172

> OFFICERS
> AND COUNTLESS CIVILAIN SUPPORT PERSONNEL WERE AMONG

THE MOST MOTIVATED

> AND
> SELFLESS INDIVIDUALS WHO TOOK THE CHALLENGE OF

LEAVING THE SAFETY AND

> COMFORTS OF
> HOME AND FAMILY TO ENDURE THE LONG TRIP TO HELP

THOSE WHO WERE THE

> MOST
> AFFECTED BY HURRICANE KATRINA. NOW FOR THE SAKE OF

BREVITY I WILL

> COME TO THE
> POINT.
>
> THE MATTER THAT MOST CONCERNS ME WAS THE HANDLING

OF OUR MOTORCADE OF

>
> HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE ENROUTE TO THE GREAT STATE

OF LOUISIANA WITH

> SUPPLIES,
> RELIEF PERSONNEL AND THE HEART OF AMERICANS WHO

CARE. VIRGINIA STATE

> TROOPERS
> CHOSE TO PULL OVER THE ENTIRE CARAVAN OF MARKED NEW

YORK CITY POLICE

> VEHICLES
> AND OTHER BUSES AND SUPPORT EQUIPMENT. THE REASONS

FOR THE LARGEST

> CAR-STOP
> IN AMERICA EVER WAS PROFOUNDLY STATED BY YOUR ELITE

TROOPERS AS

> FOLLOWS.
>
> "BOY, DO YOU KNOW THAT IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA

YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO
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S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

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EDICTVM PROPRAETORICIVM XXXIIII (COMPLTENSIS VIIII) DE CONVOCATIONE COMITIA PROVINCIALIA

Salvete omnes civibus Hispaniae
.

Mediante el presente Edicto anuncio que a partir de las 9 horas del dia 2 y hasta las 24 horas del d�a 7 de Octubre del presente a�o, se podr�n presentar las candidaturas para ocupar puestos en el Consilium Hispaniae.

Los candidatos podr�n optar a los siguientes cargos:

- Propraetor
- Legatus Internis Rebus
- Legatus Externis Rebus
- Scriba Ad Latinitatem
- Praefectus Militarium
- Procurator Retis
- Aedilis Arenae
- Scriba ad Conventus Novae Romae
- Praefectus ad Italica Splendens Projectus

Adem�s el Princeps Curiae deber� hacer p�blico los puestos que deben ser renovados en la Curia Hispanica para cubrirlos mediante otras elecciones.

PLAZOS:

Una vez presentadas las candidaturas, se proceder� a la creaci�n de la lista provisional de candidatos, que desde el 8 al 13 podr� ser corregida si hay alegaciones, que se podr�n presentar hasta ese d�a 13. El 14 se publicar� la lista definitiva de candidatos, y la campa�a electoral ser� hasta el d�a 19 como m�ximo comenzando desde el mismo d�a 2 de Octubre.

El 20 empezar�n las votaciones, que durar�n hasta el 31 de octubre. Acabado el plazo, se proclamar�n los resultados y el Propraetor saliente har� el correspondiente Edicto
aprobando los nuevos cargos antes del 3 de noviembre.

El resultado de estas votaciones se incluir� en el Acta de la Reuni�n Ordinaria de la Provincia

COMISION ELECTORAL

La comisi�n electoral queda as� compuesta:

Presidente: Marcus Adrianus Complutensi (Propraetor)
Vocales: Adrianus Sarus (Princeps Curiae), Salix Cantaber (Legatus Internis), Minicius Laietanus (Decurio), Minicius Octavianus (Decurio) y Durmius Sisena (Decurio).


PARTICULARIDADES DE LOS CARGOS A ELEGIR

- PROPRAETOR: De acuerdo con el Reglamento de la Provincia Hispania el candidato a Propraetor deber� ser ciudadano assidui de Nova Roma y haber pagado la cuota asociativa en 2005.
- LEGATV EXTERNIS REBVS y SCRIBA AD CONVENTVS NOVAE ROMAE: Aunque de acuerdo con el Reglamento estos cargos son susceptibles de ser ocupados por cualquier miembro de la Asociaci�n, que haya pagado las cuotas para 2005, se aconseja que sean ocupados por ciudadanos assidui de Nova Roma, ya que los cargos requieren un contacto continuo con la organizaci�n Nova Roma.
- PRAEFECTVS MILITARIVM: Este cargo deber� ser ocupado �nica y exclusivamente por un asociado que haya pagado la cuota de 2005 y que sea miembro del grupo de reconstrucci�n hist�rica de la Asociaci�n Legio VIIII Hispana.
- Para el resto de los cargos a ocupar basta con haber pagado la cuota asociativa en 2005.
- Los candidatos deber�n ser aprobados por la Comisi�n Electoral si cumplen todos los requisitos expuestos.

CELEBRACION DE LAS ELECCIONES

De acuerdo con los Estatutos constitutivos de Provincia Hispania la presentaci�n de candidaturas, la campa�a electoral y el anuncio de los resultados, as� como cualquier comunicado referente a estos Comitia se har� dentro del marco del Foro de Internet de la Provincia sito en http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NRHispania/ , aunque se har�n anunci�s en las Listas de Correos de la Legio VIIII Hispana, del Oppidum Compluti, y Nova Roma.

Los votantes, para ejercer su derecho al voto, deber�n requerir al Legatus Internis Rebus un c�gigo de votante que deber� ser facilitado una vez se haya comprobado la situaci�n de los solicitantes del c�digo, no ser� valido ning�n voto que no incluya el c�digo de votante. Los votos ser�n emitidos mediante correo electr�nico dirigidos a la cuenta de correo habilitada para tal efecto comitia@... a la que tendr�n acceso los miembros de la Comisi�n Electoral.

Este Edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente.

Datum sub mano mea

M�ADR�COMPLVTENSIS
PROPRAETOR�HISPANIAE
SCRIBA�CENSORIS�CFBQ
SCRIBA�COHORS�APPROBATIONVM
SCRIBA�MAGISTER�ARANEARIUS
NOVA�ROMA






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http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/eclipses/article_1593_1.asp

On Monday, 3 October, in the morning. I hope the weather is clear for
all who can see the path of the eclipse.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Q. Caecilius Metellus Pontifex Quiritibus sal.

This morning, Juno was offered a libation (the text of which I hope to post
later today, with the Fasti for this month), in place of the sacrifice which
she usually received on the Kalends of each month in Antiquity. Aside from
the usual trouble with my toga (it usually helps to have someone else help
get it on!), there were no bad omens or other vitia within the offering.

Optime Valete in Pace Deorum,

Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Pontifex

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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Kalendis Octobribus; haec dies nefastus est.

"Come let duteous Rome recognize October's kalends, the birthday of
eloquent Restitutius: with all your tongues, and in all your prayers,
utter well-omed words; we keep a birthday, be still, ye lawsuits!" -
Martial

"Goddess more ancient than Jupiter, virtuous glory of gods and men,
without whom there is no peace on earth, nor on the seas, sister of
Justicia, Fides, silent divinity within the hearts of men and women"
- Silius Italicus, Punica 2.484-87

On this day a procession to the Capitol was led by the three chief
flamines who rode in a covered wagon. With the fingers of their right
hands wrapped with white cloth bands, they sacrificed to the abstract
gods of Faith and Honor. Afterwards was held a feast.


"There happened to be in each of the armies a triplet of brothers,
fairly matched in years and strength. It is generally agreed that they
were called Horatii and Curiatii. Few incidents in antiquity have been
more widely celebrated, yet in spite of its celebrity there is a
discrepancy in the accounts as to which nation each belonged. There
are authorities on both sides, but I find that the majority give the
name of Horatii to the Romans, and my sympathies lead me to follow
them. The kings suggested to them that they should each fight on
behalf of their country, and where victory rested, there should be the
sovereignty. They raised no objection; so the time and place were
fixed. But before they engaged a treaty was concluded between the
Romans and the Albans, providing that the nation whose representatives
proved victorious should receive the peaceable submission of the
other. This is the earliest treaty recorded, and as all treaties,
however different the conditions they contain, are concluded with the
same forms, I will describe the forms with which this one was
concluded as handed down by tradition. The Fetial put the formal
question to Tullus: "Do you, King, order me to make a treaty with the
Pater Patratus of the Alban nation?" On the king replying in the
affirmative, the Fetial said: "I demand of thee, King, some tufts of
grass." The king replied: "Take those that are pure." The Fetial
brought pure grass from the Citadel. Then he asked the king: "Do you
constitute me the plenipotentiary of the People of Rome, the Quirites,
sanctioning also my vessels and comrades?" To which the king replied:
"So far as may be without hurt to myself and the People of Rome, the
Quirites, I do." The Fetial was M. Valerius. He made Spurius Furius
the Pater Patratus by touching his head and hair with the grass. Then
the Pater Patratus, who is constituted for the purpose of giving the
treaty the religious sanction of an oath, did so by a long formula in
verse, which it is not worth while to quote. After reciting the
conditions he said: "Hear, O Jupiter, hear! thou Pater Patratus of the
people of Alba! Hear ye, too, people of Alba! As these conditions have
been publicly rehearsed from first to last, from these tablets, in
perfect good faith, and inasmuch as they have here and now been most
clearly understood, so these conditions the People of Rome will not be
the first to go back from. If they shall, in their national council,
with false and malicious intent be the first to go back, then do thou,
Jupiter, on that day, so smite the People of Rome, even as I here and
now shall smite this swine, and smite them so much the more heavily,
as thou art greater in power and might." With these words he struck
the swine with a flint. In similar wise the Albans recited their oath
and formularies through their own dictator and their priests.

On the conclusion of the treaty the six combatants armed themselves.
They were greeted with shouts of encouragement from their comrades,
who reminded them that their fathers' gods, their fatherland, their
fathers, every fellow-citizen, every fellow-soldier, were now watching
their weapons and the hands that wielded them. Eager for the contest
and inspired by the voices round them, they advanced into the open
space between the opposing lines. The two armies were sitting in front
of their respective camps, relieved from personal danger but not from
anxiety, since upon the fortunes and courage of this little group hung
the issue of dominion. Watchful and nervous, they gaze with feverish
intensity on a spectacle by no means entertaining. The signal was
given, and with uplifted swords the six youths charged like a
battle-line with the courage of a mighty host. Not one of them thought
of his own danger; their sole thought was for their country, whether
it would be supreme or subject, their one anxiety that they were
deciding its future fortunes. When, at the first encounter, the
flashing swords rang on their opponents' shields, a deep shudder ran
through the spectators; then a breathless silence followed, as neither
side seemed to be gaining any advantage. Soon, however, they saw
something more than the swift movements of limbs and the rapid play of
sword and shield: blood became visible flowing from open wounds. Two
of the Romans fell one on the other, breathing out their life, whilst
all the three Albans were wounded. The fall of the Romans was welcomed
with a burst of exultation from the Alban army; whilst the Roman
legions, who had lost all hope, but not all anxiety, trembled for
their solitary champion surrounded by the three Curiatii. It chanced
that he was untouched, and though not a match for the three together,
he was confident of victory against each separately. So, that he might
encounter each singly, he took to flight, assuming that they would
follow as well as their wounds would allow. He had run some distance
from the spot where the combat began, when, on looking back, he saw
them following at long intervals from each other, the foremost not far
from him. He turned and made a desperate attack upon him, and whilst
the Alban army were shouting to the other Curiatii to come to their
brother's assistance, Horatius had already slain his foe and, flushed
with victory, was awaiting the second encounter. Then the Romans
cheered their champion with a shout such as men raise when hope
succeeds to despair, and he hastened to bring the fight to a close.
Before the third, who was not far away, could come up, he despatched
the second Curiatius. The survivors were now equal in point of
numbers, but far from equal in either confidence or strength. The one,
unscathed after his double victory, was eager for the third contest;
the other, dragging himself wearily along, exhausted by his wounds and
by his running, vanquished already by the previous slaughter of his
brothers, was an easy conquest to his victorious foe. There was, in
fact, no fighting. The Roman cried exultingly: "Two have I sacrificed
to appease my brothers' shades; the third I will offer for the issue
of this fight, that the Roman may rule the Alban." He thrust his sword
downward into the neck of his opponent, who could no longer lift his
shield, and then despoiled him as he lay. Horatius was welcomed by the
Romans with shouts of triumph, all the more joyous for the fears they
had felt. Both sides turned their attention to burying their dead
champions, but with very different feelings, the one rejoicing in
wider dominion, the other deprived of their liberty and under alien
rule. The tombs stand on the spots where each fell; those of the
Romans close together, in the direction of Alba; the three Alban
tombs, at intervals, in the direction of Rome." - Livy, History of
Rome 1.24-25

On this day was also commemorated the fight between the Horatii and
the Curiatii, known as the tigillum sororium. As Rome began to
expand, her neighbors did not always willingly submit to her control.
Alba Longa, the city founded by Aeneas' son Iulus (Ascanius), was one
such city. Frictions also arose because of cattle raiding between the
cities. According to the legend, Tullius Hostilius, king of Rome,
decided against full-scale war of city against city. Instead he
proposed single combats between a triplet of three brothers from Rome,
the Horatii, and another set of male triplets, the Curiatii, who were
citizens of Alba. Alba Longa agreed. The opponents were well-matched
and battle was fierce: all three Curiatii received wounds but two of
the Horatii were killed. The third resorted to a strategem: he fled,
which lured the Curiatii into pursuing him. But as they ran the
wounded and weakened Curiatii separated from each other and space
increased between them. This enabled the last of the Horatii to turn
and confront each individually. He succeeded in killing them one by
one, and thus won the day for Rome. The city of Alba Longa was
destroyed and Roman influence throughout Latium increased. The story
of the Horatii became a favorite for its celebration of stamina,
courage against the odds, and willingness to die for one's country.
The sister of the Horatii, however, openly wept over the death of one
of the Curiatii who had been her lover. In anger her surviving brother
killed her. For this murder he was condemned to death but was spared
when he appealed to the people. To do penance he was veiled and led
under a yoke, which was a typical punishment indicating submission to
the will of another. Unlike a yoke typically used with oxen or to
carry heavy buckets from one's shoulders, the punishment yoke was
created from three spears to form a doorway through which the penitent
must crawl.

Valete bene!

Cato


SOURCES

Livy (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/Livy/), Horatii
(http://www.dl.ket.org/latin1/historia/people/horatii01.htm) and
(http://www.bartleby.com/65/ho/Horatii.html)

Salve Quinte Caecili,

Thank you for making this offering to Juno on our behalf.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Q. Caecilius Metellus wrote:

> Q. Caecilius Metellus Pontifex Quiritibus sal.
>
> This morning, Juno was offered a libation (the text of which I hope to post
> later today, with the Fasti for this month), in place of the sacrifice which
> she usually received on the Kalends of each month in Antiquity. Aside from
> the usual trouble with my toga (it usually helps to have someone else help
> get it on!), there were no bad omens or other vitia within the offering.
>
> Optime Valete in Pace Deorum,
>
> Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> Pontifex
>

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est postridie Kalendas Octobris; haec dies fastus atrique est.

"Whilst the Romans were passing their time quietly at the outposts, a
gigantic Gaul in splendid armour advanced towards them, and delivered
a challenge through an interpreter to meet any Roman in single combat.
There was a young military tribune, named Marcus Valerius, who
considered himself no less worthy of that honour than T. Manlius had
been. After obtaining the consul's permission, he marched, completely
armed, into the open ground between the two armies. The human element
in the fight was thrown into the shade by the direct interposition of
the gods, for just as they were engaging a crow settled all of a
sudden on the Roman's helmet with its head towards his antagonist. The
tribune gladly accepted this as a divinely-sent augury, and prayed
that whether it were god or goddess who had sent the auspicious bird
that deity would be gracious to him and help him. Wonderful to relate,
not only did the bird keep its place on the helmet, but every time
they encountered it rose on its wings and attacked the Gaul's face and
eyes with beak and talon, until, terrified at the sight of so dire a
portent and bewildered in eyes and mind alike, he was slain by
Valerius. Then, soaring away eastwards, the crow passed out of sight.
Hitherto the outposts on both sides had remained quiet, but when the
tribune began to despoil his foeman's corpse, the Gauls no longer kept
their posts, whilst the Romans ran still more swiftly to help the
victor. A furious fight took place round the body as it lay, and not
only the maniples at the nearest outposts but the legions pouring out
from the camp joined in the fray. The soldiers were exultant at their
tribune's victory and at the manifest presence and help of the gods,
and as Camillus ordered them into action he pointed to the tribune,
conspicuous with his spoils, and said: "Follow his example, soldiers,
and lay the Gauls in heaps round their fallen champion!" Gods and man
alike took part in the battle, and it was fought out to a finish,
unmistakably disastrous to the Gauls, so completely had each army
anticipated a result corresponding to that of the single combat. Those
Gauls who began the fight fought desperately, but the rest of the host
who came to help them turned back before they came within range of the
missiles. They dispersed amongst the Volscians and over the Falernian
district; from thence they made their way to Apulia and the western
sea.

The consul mustered his troops on parade, and after praising the
conduct of the tribune presented him with ten oxen and a golden
chaplet. In consequence of instructions received from the senate he
took over the maritime war and joined his forces with those of the
praetor. The Greeks were too lacking in courage to run the risk of a
general engagement, and there was every prospect of the war proving a
long one. Camillus was in consequence authorised by the senate to
nominate T. Manlius Torquatus as Dictator for the purpose of
conducting the elections. After appointing A. Cornelius Cossus as
Master of the Horse, the Dictator proceeded to hold the consular
elections. Marcus Valerius Corvus (for that was henceforth his
cognomen), a young man of twenty-three, was declared to be duly
elected amidst the enthusiastic cheers of the people. His colleague
was the plebeian, M. Popilius Laenas, now elected for the fourth time.
Nothing worth recording took place between Camillus and the Greeks;
they were no fighters on land and the Romans could not fight on the
sea. Ultimately, as they were prevented from landing anywhere and
water and the other necessaries of life failed them, they abandoned
Italy. To what Greek state or nationality that fleet belonged is a
matter of uncertainty; I think it most likely that it belonged to the
Tyrant of Sicily, for Greece itself was at that time exhausted by
intestine wars and was watching with dread the growing power of
Macedonia." - Livy, History of Rome 7.26


Today is also celebrated in the Roman Catholic Church as the feast of
the Guardian Angels. The word "angel" originated from the Latin
"angelus", itself derived from the Greek "aggelos", meaning
"messenger". An angel is a spiritual being which assists and serves
God or the gods in many religious traditions. A belief in angels, for
example, is central to the religion of Islam, beginning with the
belief that the Quran was dictated to the Prophet Muhammed by the
angel Gabriel. The idea of a guardian angel or spirit predates
Christianity, as in Rome where every man had his genius – the
guiding or tutelary spirit of a person or indeed of an entire gens
–
and every woman her Iuno. Belief in tutelary gods or spirits often
reflects a tradition of animism. We might think of the tutelary
spirits (in particular, genius loci, spirits associated with and
protective of place) of England as King Arthur and St George, of
Sherwood Forest as Robin Hood, and Windsor Park, Herne. The Celtic
goddess Brigantia was tutelary goddess of the Brigantes tribe of
England. Individuals might also have tutelary spirits – angels,
fairy
godmothers, totems or spirit guides, for example.

The Roman religion had dozens of tutelary spirits, such as Diana of
Aricia, who watched over a sacred grove at Aricia, or the goddess
Levana, who watched over young children. The Lares and Penates were
local tutelary deities, as was the genius loci, a spirit said to be
present in certain places. Venus is mentioned by Catullus and Juvenal
as the tutelary deity of Ancona, Italy. A comparable term from Arabic
lore is a djinn, known in English as a `genie'. Shinto is
also a
religion whose many spirits, or kami, could be described as tutelary.
Finnish mythology had such tutelary spirits as Kotitonttu, tutelary
of the home; Pihatonttu (of the yard); Saunatonttu (of the sauna);
Tonttu (a generally benign tutelary). Hiisi are a kind of tutelary
spirit in mythologies of the Baltic Sea area. In Indonesia, a
guardian angel may be hung over an infant's crib to supposedly
safeguard them as they sleep.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/Livy/), angels
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) and
(http://www.skeptiseum.org/exhibits/miracles/angels.html)

Salvete Quirites,

As promised, the text of yesterday's libation is below. English, and
other languages, available upon request.

Valete Bene in Pace Deorum,

Q. Caecilius Metellus
Pontifex

=====

[After each of the following lines, incense was placed on the altar in
offering.]

Iane Quirine, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi Senatuique Populoque Quiritium Romano.

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti
sies volens propitius mihi Senatuique Populoque Quiritium Romano.

Mars Pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi Senatuique Populoque Quiritium Romano.

Quirine Pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi Senatuique Populoque Quiritium Romano.

[After each of the following lines, wine was placed on the altar in
offering.]

Iane Quirine, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Mars Pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Quirine Pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto.

Iuno Dea, uti pro causa fas et ius vinum commovere tibi, hanc libationem
accipias quod nunc commoveo. [At which point, a much larger libation was
poured to Iuno.]

Iuno Dea, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio
veniam peto et vitium meum expio.

Q. Metellus Quiritibus sal.

[Let me preface this by saying that this is NOT the official calendar;
it just seems to be the one we're all working on for the year.]

For the month of October:

Kalendis Octobribus : 01 Oct 2005 : N
a.d. VI Non. Oct. : 02 Oct 2005 : F (Ater)
a.d. V Non. Oct. : 03 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. IV Non. Oct. : 04 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. III Non. Oct. : 05 Oct 2005 : C (Religiosus)
pr. Non. Oct. : 06 Oct 2005 : C
Nonis Octobribus : 07 Oct 2005 : F (Nun.)*
a.d. VIII Id. Oct. : 08 Oct 2005 : F (Ater)
a.d. VII Id. Oct. : 09 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. VI Id. Oct. : 10 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. V Id. Oct. : 11 Oct 2005 : NP (Meditrinalia)
a.d. IV Id. Oct. : 12 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. III Id. Oct. : 13 Oct 2005 : NP (Fontinalia)
pr. Id. Oct. : 14 Oct 2005 : EN
Idibus Octobribus : 15 Oct 2005 : NP (Nun., Religiosus)
a.d. XVII Kal. Nov. : 16 Oct 2005 : F (Ater)
a.d. XVI Kal. Nov. : 17 Oct 2005 : C (Religiosus)
a.d. XV Kal. Nov. : 18 Oct 2005 : C (Religiosus)
a.d. XIV Kal. Nov. : 19 Oct 2005 : C NP (Armilustrium, Religiosus)
a.d. XIII Kal. Nov. : 20 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. XII Kal. Nov. : 21 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. XI Kal. Nov. : 22 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. X Kal. Nov. : 23 Oct 2005 : F (Nun.)
a.d. IX Kal. Nov. : 24 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. VIII Kal. Nov. : 25 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. VII Kal. Nov. : 26 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. VI Kal. Nov. : 27 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. V Kal. Nov. : 28 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. IV Kal. Nov. : 29 Oct 2005 : C
a.d. III Kal. Nov. : 30 Oct 2005 : C
pr. Kal. Nov. : 31 Oct 2005 : C (Nun.)

* Nun. = Nundinae

Valete Bene!

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius
Pontifex and Fetial

G. Equitius Cato Q. Caecilio Metello Pio pontifex S.P.D.

Salve pontiff.

Good to see you practicing what you have promised :-)

Thanks.

Vale optime,

Cato

Q. Metellus C. Equitio Catoni sal.

> Good to see you practicing what you have promised :-)

You know, a good portion of my petitioning to become a pontiff was for
this reason. I saw things which were not being done, and I needed the
authority to do them (otherwise, in a number of different respects, my
doing them would have been practically worthless). Of course, getting
my colleagues on the bus is the next step. I've asked to see if someone
will take up the Ides, but I might be the one doing that as well. We
shall see.

Vale,

Metellus

Pontifex

Thank you for sharing these. It helps me both in my private devotions as I
haltingly stumble towards an increasing awareness of honoring the divine in
my daily life and in working through my Latin.

Vale valeo
Peregrinus

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Salvete Quirites,

As promised, the text of yesterday's libation is below. English, and
other languages, available upon request.

Valete Bene in Pace Deorum,

Q. Caecilius Metellus
Pontifex

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[ Snip ]

Salvete,

I would like to know if there are some websites out there featuring
an exhaustive information on the Pantheon--history, architectural and
artistic characteristics, pictures, etc.

Gratias omnibus, valete bene

T. Afr. Sec. Flamininus

Salvete Omnes,
Firstly I have to offer a huge apology to you all for my long absence,especially to those who attended the conventus in Rome,I have been laid up in hospital for the last several weeks feeling like I'd been run over by a barbarian horde and they'd reversed to finish the job !
Unfortunately I was unable to access a computer to let any of you know that I was not going to be able to make the conventus,so again I apologise sincerely to you all.
Well as you can now see I have managed to regain my freedom and am feeling ready to get back into the swing of things.
To Cordus thank you for finding two errant Hibernii,I have added them to my contact list and will get in touch with them soonest.

Back from the cold:D.G.Lupus.


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Try

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http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Pantheon.html<http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Pantheon.html>

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vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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I would like to know if there are some websites out there featuring
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Gratias omnibus, valete bene

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Thanks for the link Marinus!
The sun is shining here in Belgium where we're
expecting a 60% eclipse.
Vale,
Diana

--- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:

>

http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/eclipses/article_1593_1.asp

>
> On Monday, 3 October, in the morning. I hope the
> weather is clear for
> all who can see the path of the eclipse.
>
> Valete,
>
> -- Marinus
>

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A. Apollonius D. Gladio omnibusque sal.

Great to hear from you! We were quite worried when you
didn't turn up in Rome: we had mental images of you
wandering lost through the metropolis, or being held
by airport security as a suspected terrorist, or
indeed - correctly, as it turns out - being suddenly
hospitalized.

It's a great relief to hear you're alive and well, and
I look forward to seeing you at the next conventus, if
not before.



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Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem V Idus Octobris; haec dies comitailis est.

"After the armies were disbanded there was an interval of peace abroad
and harmony between the two orders at home. To prevent things,
however, from becoming too pleasant, a pestilence attacked the
citizens, and the senate found themselves under the necessity of
issuing an order to the decemvirs requiring them to consult the
Sibylline Books. On their advice a lectisternium was held. In this
year colonists from Antium rebuilt Satricum, which had been destroyed
by the Latins, and settled there. A treaty was concluded between Rome
and Carthage; the latter city had sent envoys to ask for a friendly
alliance. As long as the succeeding consuls - T. Manlius Torquatus and
C. Plautius - held office the same peaceful conditions prevailed. The
rate of interest was reduced by one half and payment of the principal
was to be made in four equal instalments, the first at once, the
remainder in three successive years. Though many plebeians were still
in distress, the senate looked upon the maintenance of public credit
as more important than the removal of individual hardships. What
afforded the greatest relief was the suspension of military service
and the war-tax. Three years after Satricum had been rebuilt by the
Volscians, whilst M. Valerius Corvus was consul for the second time
with Caius Poetilius, a report was sent on from Latium that emissaries
from Antium were going round the Latin cantons with the view of
stirring war. Valerius was instructed to attack the Volscians before
the enemy became more numerous, and he proceeded with his army to
Satricum. Here he was met by the Antiates and other Volscian troops
who had been previously mobilised in case of any movement on the side
of Rome. The old standing hatred between the two nations made each
side eager for battle; there was consequently no delay in trying
conclusions. The Volscians, bolder to begin war than to sustain it,
were completely defeated and fled precipitately to Satricum. The city
was surrounded, and as it was on the point of being stormed - the
scaling ladders were against the walls - they lost all hope and
surrendered to the number of 4000 fighting men, in addition to a
multitude of noncombatants. The town was sacked and burnt; the temple
of Matuta the Mother was alone spared by the flames; all the plunder
was given to the soldiers. In addition to the booty, there were the
4000 who had surrendered; these were marched in chains before the
consul's chariot in his triumphal procession, then they were sold and
a large sum was realised for the treasury. Some authors assert that
these prisoners were slaves who had been captured in Satricum, and
this is more likely to have been the case than that men who had
surrendered should have been sold." - Livy, History of Rome 7.27



"The feast called Oschophoria, or the feast of boughs, which to this
day the Athenians celebrate, was then first instituted by Theseus. For
he took not with him the full number of virgins which by lot were to
be carried away, but selected two youths of his acquaintance, of fair
and womanish faces, but of a manly and forward spirit, and having, by
frequent baths, and avoiding the heat and scorching of the sun, with a
constant use of all the ointments and washes and dresses that serve to
the adorning of the head or smoothing the skin or improving the
complexion, in a manner changed them from what they were before, and
having taught them farther to counterfeit the very voice and carriage
and gait of virgins so that there could not be the least difference
perceived, he, undiscovered by any, put them into the number of the
Athenian maids designed for Crete. At his return, he and these two
youths led up a solemn procession, in the same habit that is now worn
by those who carry the vine-branches. Those branches they carry in
honour of Bacchus and Ariadne, for the sake of their story before
related; or rather because they happened to return in autumn, the time
of gathering the grapes. The women, whom they call Deipnopherae, or
supper-carriers, are taken into these ceremonies, and assist at the
sacrifice, in remembrance and imitation of the mothers of the young
men and virgins upon whom the lot fell, for thus they ran about
bringing bread and meat to their children; and because the women then
told their sons and daughters many tales and stories, to comfort and
encourage them under the danger they were going upon, it has still
continued a custom that at this feast old fables and tales should be
told. For these particularities we are indebted to the history of
Demon. There was then a place chosen out, and a temple erected in it
to Theseus, and those families out of whom the tribute of the youth
was gathered were appointed to pay tax to the temple for sacrifices to
him. And the house of the Phytalidae had the overseeing of these
sacrifices, Theseus doing them that honour in recompense of their
former hospitality." - Plutarch, Parallel Lives "Theuseus"

In ancient Greece today was the celebration of the Oschophoria. The
Oschophoria was a festival celebrated in Attica, according to some
writers celebrated in honour of Athena and Dionysus, according to
others Dionysus and Ariadne. Said to have been instituted by
Theseus, this was a vintage festival, its name derived from the word
for a branch of a vine with grapes.

The Greek myth states that when Theseus left Athens, he took with him
three girls and two boys dresses as girls. After he killed the
Minotaur in the Labyrinth and returned to Athens he was crowned with a
wreath of olive leaves. However, because his father died he put the
crown on his staff and not on his head. The festival of Dionysus was
being commemorated when he returned, and he placed the two boys that
were dressed like women at the front of the procession. Consequently,
in the procession during the Oschophorian celebrations, two men
dressed like women carried vine-branches from the temple of Dionysus
to the temple of Athena Skira. They were accompanied by a herald with
a wreath wrapped around his staff. Also in the procession were women
who carried the sacred foods for the feast. Some of the meat became a
burnt offering for the gods, with the remainder eaten or divided up
for the participants to take home. When the procession reached the
temple, stories were told and many songs sung. The women usually
prepared the dinner and narrated myths. Athletic games were also
played during the Oschophoria.


"Blessed are You, L-rd, our G-d, King of the Universe, who has
sanctified us with His commandments and has commanded us to light the
candle of the Day of Remembrance. (Ba-ruch A-tah Ado-nai E-lo-hei-nu
Me-lech Ha-olam Asher Ki-deshanu Be-mitzvo-tav Ve-tzvi-vanu Le-hadlik
Ner Shel Yom Hazikaron)" - Blessing for the First evening of Rosh
Hashanah

Today at sundown the Festival of Rosh Hashanah begins; the Jewish New
Year. It remembers the creation of the world. In Hebrew, Rosh
Hashanah means the "head of the year." It is also called the Feast of
the Trumpets. The blowing of a ram's horn, a shofar, proclaims Rosh
Hashanah, and summons Jews to religious services. Oct. 3 marks the
beginning of the year 5766 and the month of Tishri.

Jews used the ram's horn as a trumpet in Biblical times to announce
the new moon, holidays, and war. Today, a variety of horns are used,
including curved antelope horns. Typically, a blessing will be said
over two loaves of bread, known as challah. The round shape symbolizes
a crown, a reminder of the kingship of God. Challah also stands for
the circle of life, and the hope that our lives endure without end.
Challah is sometimes baked with a ladder on top in recognition that
only God decides who climbs up or down the ladder of life. Forming
challah in the shape of a bird is also done. The Torah says that God
will protect Jerusalem in the same way a bird hovers. Apples dipped
in honey are another Rosh Hashanah tradition. It symbolizes the hope
for a "sweet year" ahead. Honey is spread on challah. Tzimmes, a
mixture made from carrots, cinnamon, yams, prunes, and honey, is also
traditional. Sephardic Jews—those of Mediterranean or Middle Eastern
origin—serve a whole fish as a wish for prosperity, fertility, and
good luck for the coming year. Some Jews also present fruit baskets
covered to hide the contents, symbolizing that no one can know what
the new year will bring.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/Livy/), Oschophoria
(http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Festivals2.htm) and
(http://www.goddess-athena.org/Temple/index.htm), Rosh Hashanah
(http://www.factmonster.com/spot/roshhashanah1.html) and
(http://www.chabad.org/holidays/JewishNewYear/template.asp?AID=4644)

CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·QVIRITIBVS·S·P·D

> Salvete Omnes,

> Firstly I have to offer a huge apology to you all for my long
> absence,especially to those who attended the conventus in Rome,I have been
> laid up in hospital for the last several weeks feeling like I'd been run over by a
> barbarian horde and they'd reversed to finish the job !
> Unfortunately I was unable to access > a computer to let any of you know that I was not going to be able to make the
> conventus,so again I apologise sincerely to you all.
> Well as you can now see I have
> managed to regain my freedom and am feeling ready to get back into the swing
> of things.
> To Cordus thank you for finding two
> errant Hibernii,I have added them to my contact list and will get in touch with
> them soonest.
>
> Back from the cold:D.G.Lupus.

Mehercle!
You had us all wondering about you for the whole conventus, Lupe!

Welcome back... and this be the last time you drink homebrew stuff! ;-)

S·V·B·E·E·V

CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT

Hmmph! Here the sun decided not to shine till midday - so we missed the fun!

S Pilatus Barbatus



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Sent: 03 October 2005 08:18
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Annular eclipse of the Sun visible in Portugal,
Spain, and North Africa



Thanks for the link Marinus!
The sun is shining here in Belgium where we're
expecting a 60% eclipse.
Vale,
Diana

--- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:

>

http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/eclipses/article_1593_1.asp

>
> On Monday, 3 October, in the morning. I hope the
> weather is clear for
> all who can see the path of the eclipse.
>
> Valete,
>
> -- Marinus
>

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I'm wondering if there the sun shine, Pilate Barbate ! Philosophical
talking.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

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Portugal,
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>
>
>
> Thanks for the link Marinus!
> The sun is shining here in Belgium where we're
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> Vale,
> Diana
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$1,000,000 US for citizenship ???? Does this mean Nova Roma is an even BETTER deal than anyone thought or do we just need to raise taxes?????

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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I wish to thank all of you for the nice words for the birth of my son.
Thank you very much amici.

In the next two weeks or so I'm going to be VERY busy and trying to be
on-line at least once a day. Please consider this while writing to me ;-)

valete
M IVL PERVSIANVS






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Salve Gai Equiti Cato

You are, domne, quite the writer and researcher. Accept please my
compliments. With your permission I'd like to paraphrase in latin
parts of your article on Saint Gabriel; I'll then submit the
paraphrase to the Grex Latine Loquentium, the on-line latin writers group.

Ut valeas quam optime ex imo corde opto. Kynetus VALESIUS scriba.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@y...>
wrote:

> OSD G. Equitius Cato
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> Hodie est ante diem III Kalendas Octobris; haec dies comitialis est.
>
> "After the armies were disbanded there was an interval of peace abroad
> and harmony between the two orders at home. To prevent things,
> however, from becoming too pleasant, a pestilence attacked the
> citizens, and the senate found themselves under the necessity of
> issuing an order to the decemvirs requiring them to consult the
> Sibylline Books. On their advice a lectisternium was held. In this
> year colonists from Antium rebuilt Satricum, which had been destroyed
> by the Latins, and settled there. A treaty was concluded between Rome
> and Carthage; the latter city had sent envoys to ask for a friendly
> alliance. As long as the succeeding consuls - T. Manlius Torquatus and
> C. Plautius - held office the same peaceful conditions prevailed. The
> rate of interest was reduced by one half and payment of the principal
> was to be made in four equal instalments, the first at once, the
> remainder in three successive years. Though many plebeians were still
> in distress, the senate looked upon the maintenance of public credit
> as more important than the removal of individual hardships. What
> afforded the greatest relief was the suspension of military service
> and the war-tax. Three years after Satricum had been rebuilt by the
> Volscians, whilst M. Valerius Corvus was consul for the second time
> with Caius Poetilius, a report was sent on from Latium that emissaries
> from Antium were going round the Latin cantons with the view of
> stirring war. Valerius was instructed to attack the Volscians before
> the enemy became more numerous, and he proceeded with his army to
> Satricum. Here he was met by the Antiates and other Volscian troops
> who had been previously mobilised in case of any movement on the side
> of Rome. The old standing hatred between the two nations made each
> side eager for battle; there was consequently no delay in trying
> conclusions. The Volscians, bolder to begin war than to sustain it,
> were completely defeated and fled precipitately to Satricum. The city
> was surrounded, and as it was on the point of being stormed - the
> scaling ladders were against the walls - they lost all hope and
> surrendered to the number of 4000 fighting men, in addition to a
> multitude of noncombatants. The town was sacked and burnt; the temple
> of Matuta the Mother was alone spared by the flames; all the plunder
> was given to the soldiers. In addition to the booty, there were the
> 4000 who had surrendered; these were marched in chains before the
> consul's chariot in his triumphal procession, then they were sold and
> a large sum was realised for the treasury. Some authors assert that
> these prisoners were slaves who had been captured in Satricum, and
> this is more likely to have been the case than that men who had
> surrendered should have been sold." - Livy, History of Rome 7.27
>
>
>
> "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against
> the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not;
> neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great
> dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,
> which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and
> his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in
> heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our
> God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is
> cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." - The
> Apocalypse of St. John the Divine, 12:7-10
>
> Today is celebrated as the Feast of St. Michael the Archangel. This
> Christian saint, Prince of All Angels, is an archangel who was the
> leader of the army of God during Lucifer's uprising, casting Satan out
> of Paradise. He is one of only two angels named in the Bible, the
> other being Gabriel. He is associated with the planet Mercury.
> Muslims, Christians and Jews all express devotion to him, and there
> are writings about him in all three religions. Considered the guardian
> angel of Israel, Michael's name means in Hebrew, "Who is like
> God".
>
> When the Temple of Jerusalem was sacked in A.D. 70, Michael's loud
> voice of was heard from it, saying "let us depart hence!", and then an
> invisible army was heard leaving. The patron saint of warriors and
> police is also guardian of the souls of the dead, weighing their good
> and bad deeds in his scales, according to Christian tradition. Michael
> is also the patron of grocers, paratroopers and radiologists, among
> many others*. St Michael also guards the body of Eve, according to the
> apocryphal Revelation of Moses.
>
> Churches on hilltops were often named after St Michael. The Prince of
> All Angels is the bringer of the gift of prudence. St Michael is
> represented in religious art as a handsome youth with wings and
> armour; he has a stern face and, like St George, bears a
> dragon-slaying sword and shield. He might carry scales as well, to
> weigh the good and bad deeds of the dead. He might be depicted as an
> angelic warrior, fully armed with helmet, sword, and shield (often the
> shield bears the Latin inscription: Quis ut Deus), standing over the
> dragon, whom he sometimes pierces with a lance. He also holds a pair
> of scales in which he weighs the souls of the deceased, or the book of
> life, to show that he takes part in the judgment. At Constantinople,
> St. Michael was known as the great heavenly physician. The Michaelion,
> about 80 kilometres (50 miles) south of Constantinople, was his
> principal sanctuary where the sick would sleep and wait for an
> apparition of the saint. They kept a feast every June 9. The
> archangel is said to have appeared to the Emperor Constantine at the
> Michaelion. Another famous church was within the walls of the city, at
> the thermal baths of the Emperor Arcadius, where the synaxis of the
> archangel was celebrated on November 8. The archangel was also
> associated with miraculous healing waters at the ancient sites of
> Germia (Yurme, Turkey), where fish inhabited the healing pool.
>
> In Normandy St. Michael is the patron of mariners in his famous
> sanctuary at Mont-Saint-Michel in the Diocese of Coutances. He is said
> to have appeared there, in 708, to St. Aubert, Bishop of Avranches. In
> Normandy his feast "S. Michaelis in periculo maris" or "in Monte
> Tumba" was universally celebrated on 18 Oct., the anniversary of the
> dedication of the first church, 16 Oct., 710; the feast is now
> confined to the Diocese of Coutances. In Germany, after its
> evangelization, St. Michael replaced for the Christians the pagan god
> Wotan, to whom many mountains were sacred, hence the numerous mountain
> chapels of St. Michael all over Germany. the apparition of Michael
> over the Moles Hadriani (the Castel St. Angelo) in Rome in 950 is
> commemorated by the enormous gilded statue of him currently on the
> roof.
>
> [N.B. - I'm all over this St. Michael thing because, well, my
> macronational name is Michael :-)]
>
> Valete bene!
>
> Cato
>
>
> SOURCES
>
> Livy (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/Livy/), St. Michael
> (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10275b.htm) and
> (http://www.cin.org/saints/michael.html)

Salve!

The only place the sun shines here in England at the moment is in my
imagination!

S Pilatus Barbatus



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Of Titus Iulius Sabinus
Sent: 03 October 2005 22:30
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Spain, and North Africa



SALVE !

I'm wondering if there the sun shine, Pilate Barbate ! Philosophical
talking.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:
> Hmmph! Here the sun decided not to shine till midday - so we
missed the fun!
>
> S Pilatus Barbatus
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Diana Octavia Aventina
> Sent: 03 October 2005 08:18
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Annular eclipse of the Sun visible in
Portugal,
> Spain, and North Africa
>
>
>
> Thanks for the link Marinus!
> The sun is shining here in Belgium where we're
> expecting a 60% eclipse.
> Vale,
> Diana
>
> --- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...> wrote:
>
> >
>
http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/eclipses/article_1593_1.
asp
> >
> > On Monday, 3 October, in the morning. I hope the
> > weather is clear for
> > all who can see the path of the eclipse.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > -- Marinus
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G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana SPD.

Does anyone know what has happened to the beasts (ahem . . . I
mean "gladiators") and the animals entered in the LUDI?

I can see the gladiators being locked up for various offenses
against the state (offensive odors doubtless being one).
But surely the animals would at least have paraded? Or have
they ended up on the plates of some debauched (and well-bribed)
official, to eliminate competitors?

Just wondering.

Valete in pace Deorum.

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

SALVE !

The same for me, amice. Anyway, that is a positive point of view.
All the best for you.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:
> Salve!
>
> The only place the sun shines here in England at the moment is in
my
> imagination!
>
> S Pilatus Barbatus
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Titus Iulius Sabinus
> Sent: 03 October 2005 22:30
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Annular eclipse of the Sun visible in
Portugal,
> Spain, and North Africa
>
>
>
> SALVE !
>
> I'm wondering if there the sun shine, Pilate Barbate !
Philosophical
> talking.
>
> VALE BENE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:
> > Hmmph! Here the sun decided not to shine till midday - so we
> missed the fun!
> >
> > S Pilatus Barbatus
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-
Roma@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Diana Octavia Aventina
> > Sent: 03 October 2005 08:18
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Annular eclipse of the Sun visible in
> Portugal,
> > Spain, and North Africa
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the link Marinus!
> > The sun is shining here in Belgium where we're
> > expecting a 60% eclipse.
> > Vale,
> > Diana
> >
> > --- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
>
http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/eclipses/article_1593_1.
> asp
> > >
> > > On Monday, 3 October, in the morning. I hope the
> > > weather is clear for
> > > all who can see the path of the eclipse.
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > -- Marinus
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Salvete.

> On Monday, 3 October, in the morning. I hope the weather is clear for
> all who can see the path of the eclipse.

I was there... and I SAW IT! ... and I saw it! Nova-Rome had an ambassador at least in the event.


I am member of a club of Astronomy and we travel to Salamanca, a beautiful city of Spain. We observe the Eclipse in the central area.

In the trip a curious coincidence was given. I live in Santander, a beautiful city in the north of Spain. To go to Salamanca I went by the town of Simancas. There it happened an important battle between the Christian and Muslims armies on July 19 of year 939 AC. When both armies were about to begin the fight, hardly one hour after dawn all could see as the Sun it was darkened. It was an Eclipse! It is counted that both armies were paralyzed of panic and nobody dared to outline the since fight they didn't know as interpreting this warning of God. Finally, to the third day after the phenomenon both enemy commandants came to an agreement and decided to battle and... it won the army of Castile (the Christian).

That I know, alone the the eclipse of May 28 584 B.C. has had transcendency in the since history thanks to him the Lician and the Meds they interrupted a crucial battle to sign the peace.


The skies never stop to provide us you sew astonishing things.


Our first photo in http://webs.ono.com/usr039/tempranj/Eclipse%20Anular.htm


Valete bene.

Q. Salix Cantaber Uranicus

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Salve

I know that a slave had a chance at freedom to a far greater degree under Rome than in just about any other ancient civilization.

Why was this the case?

Was there ever any discussion in any ancient civilization that slavery should be ended ( not meaning slaves) and if so what reasons were given?

Did any ancient civilization not allow slavery?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salvete Tiberi Galeri et omnes,

I never recall of any ancient social movements to abolish slavery
and remember more or less that there wasn't much complaining about
the institution until the 18th century. I am sure thr greatest force
in ending it in the west was the industrial revolution. I might add,
a little off topic, that I never believed the American Civil War was
about slavery like many politically correct teachings show today for
if it was it was the most senseless waste of life in history since
then and subsequently less than one generation (25 years,) all the
mechanized farm equipment, steam tractors, ploughs etc. became the
norm and would have rendered slaves economically impracticle since
the machines could do in a day what 100 men could do in a month.

Anyway here is a good article that addresses the thoughts and
resistance on Ancient slavery:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/romans/slavery_01.shtml

Regards,

QLP






--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...> wrote:

> Salve
>
> I know that a slave had a chance at freedom to a far greater

degree under Rome than in just about any other ancient civilization.

>
> Why was this the case?
>
> Was there ever any discussion in any ancient civilization that

slavery should be ended ( not meaning slaves) and if so what reasons
were given?

>
> Did any ancient civilization not allow slavery?
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete omnes,

I guess it is that time of year again... ghosts, goblins and all. My
favourite creature of the night has always been the werewolf and
interestingly enough it has its origins in Ancient Greek And Rome.
Here is an interesting article followed by another regarding the
history of this creature. If anyone has some good ancient yarns
about mythical creatures, please add them to the posts:




Classics scholar traces spooky stories to antiquity

by Daniel J. Fitzgibbons, Chronicle staff




Debbie Felton

n the genre of ghost stories, Stephen King or Henry James are more
likely to come to mind than Petronius or Pliny the Younger, but many
modern tales of the supernatural are links in a long, clanking chain
of thrillers that go back to ancient Rome and Greece, according to
Debbie Felton, assistant professor of Classics.

A fan of ghost stories since she was child, Felton began
digging into the Greek and Roman horror stories when she was working
on her doctorate at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

"I was taking a Latin composition class where we had to read
Pliny the Younger's tale of a haunted house to illustrate the
perfect and imperfect tenses," she recalled. But the tenses were far
less compelling than Pliny's spooky story, she says.

That led Felton on a hunt for more ghost stories from antiquity
and to her surprise, there were quite a few. Unearthing tales
collected by the Victorians, who had a keen interest in both
classics and ghost stories, Felton also began receiving material
from other scholars.

Dusting off the encyclopedic collection of stories, Felton
decided to pen her dissertation on haunted-house stories from Rome
and Greece. She later revised and expanded the dissertation into a
book, "Haunted Greece and Rome: Ghost Stories from Classical
Antiquity," published in 1999 by the University of Texas Press.

But like the first blood meal for a vampire, the scholarly
treatise only whet the appetite for more ghost stories from the
ancient empires. As a result, Felton last week agreed to edit an
anthology of supernatural tales from Rome and Greece. Tentatively
titled "Things That Went Bump in the Night: Tales of the
Supernatural from Ancient Greece and Rome," the book will probably
be published in 2003, says Felton.

For the ancients, she says, ghost stories were like modern
urban legends, usually passed by word of mouth and embellished along
the way. Sometimes, a scholar such as Cicero or Plutarch noted
reports of haunted places in their writings.

Not surprisingly, Felton adds, the Romans appropriated many
Greek stories while also adding tales from locations within or
around the empire such as Egypt and Thrace.

What's more surprising is how many "modern" horrors, such as
werewolves and zombies, date back centuries.

"I've tried to group the stories by category," says Felton,
rattling off a bone-chilling list that includes hauntings, witches,
the walking dead, flesh-eating ghouls, ghostly armies and
werewolves. The origins of the stories are difficult to determine,
she says, but many probably stem from a "curiosity about what
happens after death and souls at rest. I don't know of any
explanation for the werewolf stories."

Felton says some ideas, such as animals being able to sense
spirits or ghosts wearing white, carry through to modern literature.
Other concepts, such as clanging metal together to ward off
specters, aren't used by today's ghostbusters.

Felton's favorite tale is one related by Petronius in which a
character named Niceros and a soldier friend are traveling to a
distant village. Stopping in a deserted burial ground near the city
limits to relieve themselves, Niceros is startled as his friends
disrobes, urinates in a circle around them and transforms into a
wolf. The beast then runs off to terrorize a village, where the
townspeople manage to wound the canine.

Later, Niceros returns home to find his friend back in human
form but sporting a nasty lance wound.

That's just one of the more than 40 hair-raisers Felton is
working on translating for her forthcoming book. Meanwhile, her
first volume is in its second printing and about to be translated
into Turkish.

The rising popularity of ancient ghost stories reflects a
general drift towards magic, witchcraft and the supernatural,
according to Felton, who's more than happy to ride the ectoplasmic
wave.

"In the last 10 years, there's been a growing interest in magic
and folklore. I was lucky to get there before others did."




And:

Werewolf

A werewolf in folklore and mythology is a person who changes into a
wolf, either by purposefully using magic in some manner or by being
placed under a curse. In fictional treatments starting in the 19th
century and in popular modern superstition this transformation is
said to take place at full moon, either for a few nights every month
or permanently. It is said that a werewolf may be killed if shot by
a silver bullet.

Origins and variations of the word
The name is thought most likely to derive from the Proto-Indo-
European roots *wi-ro-, "man" (c.f. Latin Vir, German: we(h)r, we(h)
ren (Abwehr, Feuerwehr, Bundeswehr: group of men engaged in defense)
Old Prussian: wirs: meaning men and Old English wer (or were) and
*wlkwo-, "wolf." The compound thus yields man-wolf. An alternative
etymology looks to Old English weri (to wear) plus "wolf," thus
bearing wearer of the wolf skin.

Other sources believe it is derived from warg-wolf, where "warg" (or
later "werg" and "wero") is cognate with norse "varg" meaning
murderer or predator and as "vargulf" means the kind of wolf that
slaughters many of a flock or herd but eats only a bit. This was a
serious problem for herders as they had to somehow destroy the
individual wolf that had run mad before it destroyed their entire
flock or herd. "Warg" by itself was used in Old English for that
specific kind of wolf (see J. R. R. Tolkien's novel The Hobbit) and
it was used as well for what would now be called a serial killer.

The Greek term Lycanthropy (a compound of which the first part
derives from the same Proto-Indo-European root for "wolf," *wlkwo-,
as the English word) is also commonly used for the "wolf - man"
transformation.

The general term for the metamorphosis of people into animals is
therianthropy (therianthrope means animal-man). The term turnskin or
turncoat (Neo-Latin: versipellis, Russian : oboroten, O. Norse :
hamrammr) is sometimes also used.

Compare Shape-shifting.

History of the werewolf
Many European countries and cultures have stories of werewolves,
including Greece (lycanthropos), Russia (volkodlak), Poland
(wilko³ak), Romania (Vârcolac), England (werwolf), Germany
(Werwolf), France (loup-garou), Lithuania (vilkolakis and
vilkatlakis) and Estonia (libahunt). In northern Europe, there are
also tales about people changing into bears. In Norse mythology, the
legends of berserkers may be a source of the werewolf myths.
Berserks were vicious fighters, dressed in wolf or bear hides; they
were immune to pain and killed viciously in battle, like a wild
animal. In Latvian mythology, the Vilkacis was a person changed into
a wolf-like monster, though the Vilkacis was occasionally
beneficial. A closely related set of myths are the skin-walkers.

Shape-shifters similar to werewolves are common in myths from all
over the world, though most of them involve animal forms other than
wolves. See lycanthropy.

In Greek mythology the story of Lycaon supplies one of the earliest
examples of a werewolf legend. According to one form of it Lycaon
was transformed into a wolf as a result of eating human flesh; one
of those who were present at periodical sacrifice on Mount Lycaon
was said to suffer a similar fate. The Roman Pliny the Elder,
quoting Euanthes, says (Historia Naturalis viii. 22) that a man of
the Antaeus family was selected by lot and brought to a lake in
Arcadia, where he hung his clothing on an ash tree and swam across.
This resulted in his being transformed into a wolf, and he wandered
in this shape nine years. Then, if he had attacked no human being,
he was at liberty to swim back and resume his former shape. Probably
the two stories are identical, though we hear nothing of
participation in the Lycaean sacrifice by the descendant of Antaeus.
Herodotus (iv. 105) tells us that the Neuri, a tribe he places to
the north-east of Scythia (thus essentially "Hyperboreans", were
annually transformed for a few days, and Virgil is familiar with
transformation of human beings into wolves (see Eclogues viii. 98).
In the novel Satyricon, written about year 60 by Gaius Petronius,
one of the characters recites a story about a man who turns into a
wolf.

There are women, so the Armenian belief runs, who in consequence of
deadly sins are condemned to pass seven years in the form of a wolf.
A spirit comes to such a woman and brings her a wolf's skin. He
orders her to put it on, and no sooner has she done this than the
most frightful wolfish cravings make their appearance and soon get
the upper hand. Her better nature conquered, she makes a meal of her
own children, one by one, then of her relatives' children according
to the degree of relationship, and finally the children of strangers
begin to fall a prey to her. She wanders forth only at night, and
doors and locks spring open at her approach. When morning draws near
she returns to human form and removes her wolf skin. In these cases
the transformation was involuntary or virtually so. But side by side
with this belief in involuntary metamorphosis, we find the belief
that human beings can change themselves into animals at will and
then resume their own form.

France in particular seems to have been infested with werewolves
during the 16th century, and the consequent trials were very
numerous. In some of the cases -- e.g. those of the Gandillon family
in the Jura, the tailor of Chalons and Roulet in Angers, all
occurring in the year 1598, -- there was clear evidence against the
accused of murder and cannibalism, but none of association with
wolves; in other cases, as that of Gilles Garnier in Dole in 1573,
there was clear evidence against some wolf, but none against the
accused; in all the cases, with hardly an exception, there was that
extraordinary readiness in the accused to confess and even to give
circumstantial details of the metamorphosis, which is one of the
most inexplicable concomitants of medieval witchcraft. Yet while
this lycanthropy fever, both of suspectors and of suspected, was at
its height, it was decided in the case of Jean Grenier at Bordeaux
in 1603 that lycanthropy was nothing more than an insane delusion.

From this time the loup-garou gradually ceased to be regarded as a
dangerous heretic, and fell back into his pre-Christian position of
being simply a "man-wolf-fiend." In Province of Prussia, Livonia and
Lithuania, according to the bishops Olaus Magnus and Majolus , the
werwolves were in the 16th century far more destructive than "true
and natural wolves," and their heterodoxy appears from the Catholic
bishops' assertion that they formed "an accursed college" of
those "desirous of innovations contrary to the divine law." In
England, however, where at the beginning of the 17th century the
punishment of witchcraft was still zealously prosecuted by James I
of England, the wolf had been so long extinct that that pious
monarch was himself able (Demonologie, lib. iii.) to
regard "warwoolfes" as victims of delusion induced by "a naturall
superabundance of melancholic." Only small creatures such as the
cat, the hare and the weasel remained for the malignant sorcerer to
transform himself into, but he was firmly believed to avail himself
of these agencies.

The werewolves of the Christian dispensation were not, however, all
considered to be heretics or viciously disposed towards
mankind. "According to Baronius, in the year 617, a number of wolves
presented themselves at a monastery, and tore in pieces several
friars who entertained heretical opinions. The wolves sent by God
tore the sacrilegious thieves of the army of Francesco Maria , duke
of Urbino, who had come to sack the treasure of the holy house of
Loreto, A wolf guarded and defended from the wild beasts the head of
St. Edmund the martyr, king of England. St. Odo, abbot of Cluny,
assailed in a pilgrimage by foxes, was delivered and escorted by a
wolf" (A. de Gubernatis, Zoological Mythology, 1872, vol. ii. p.
145). Many of the werewolves were most innocent and God-fearing
persons, who suffered through the witchcraft of others, or simply
from an unhappy fate, and who as wolves behaved in a truly touching
fashion, fawning upon and protecting their benefactors. Of this sort
were the "Bisclaveret" in Marie de France's poem (c. 1200), the hero
of "William and the Werewolf " (translated from French into English
about 1350), and the numerous princes and princesses, knights and
ladies, who appear temporarily in beast form in the German fairy
tales, or Marchen. See "Snow White and Rose Red," where the tame
bear is really a bewitched prince.

Indeed, the power of transforming others into wild beasts was
attributed not only to malignant sorcerers, but also to Christian
saints. Omnes angeli, boni et mali, ex virtute naturali habent
potestatem transmutandi corpora nostra, was the dictum of St. Thomas
Aquinas. St. Patrick transformed Vereticus , a king in Wales, into a
wolf; and St. Natalis cursed an illustrious Irish family with the
result that each member of it was doomed to be a wolf for seven
years. In other tales the divine agency is still more direct, while
in Russia, again, men are supposed to become werewolves through
incurring the wrath of the devil.

Historical legends describe a wide variety of methods for becoming a
werewolf. One of the simplest was the removal of clothing and
putting on a belt made of wolf skin, probably a substitute for the
assumption of an entire animal skin which also is frequently
described. In other cases the body is rubbed with a magic salve. To
drink water out of the footprint of the animal in question or to
drink from certain enchanted streams were also considered effectual
modes of accomplishing metamorphosis. Olaus Magnus says that the
Livonian werwolves were initiated by draining a cup of specially
prepared beer and repeating a set formula. Ralston in his Songs of
the Russian People gives the form of incantation still familiar in
Russia. It is also said that when a woman gives birth to six female
children, the seventh will be a male and a werewolf. Various methods
also existed for removing the beast-shape. The simplest was the act
of the enchanter (operating either on himself or on a victim), and
another was the removal of the animal belt or skin. To kneel in one
spot for a hundred years, to be reproached with being a werwolf, to
be saluted with the sign of the cross, or addressed thrice by
baptismal name, to be struck three blows on the forehead with a
knife, or to have at least three drops of blood drawn have also been
mentioned as possible cures.

In other cases the transformation was supposed to be accomplished by
Satanic agency voluntarily submitted to, and that for the most
loathsome ends, in particular for the gratification of a craving for
human flesh. "The werwolves," writes Richard Verstegan (Restitution
of Decayed Intelligence, 1628), "are certayne sorcerers, who having
annoynted their bodies with an oyntment which they make by the
instinct of the devil, and putting on a certayne inchaunted girdle,
doe not onely unto the view of others seeme as wolves, but to their
owne thinking have both the shape and nature of wolves, so long as
they weare the said girdle. And they do dispose themselves as very
wolves, in wourrying and killing, and most of humane creatures."
Such were the views about lycanthropy current throughout the
continent of Europe when Verstegan wrote.




Scientific background
Among those for whom the studies of shamanism and totem animals and
transformation myths do not seem satisfactorily scientific, a recent
theory has been proposed to explain werewolf episodes in Europe in
the 18th and 19th centuries. Ergot, which causes a form of foodborne
illness, is a fungus that grows in place of rye grains in wet
growing seasons after very cold winters. Ergot poisoning usually
affects whole towns or at least poor areas of towns and results in
hallucinations, mass hysteria and paranoia, as well as convulsions
and sometimes death. (LSD is derived from ergot.) Ergot poisoning
has been proposed as both a cause of an individual believing that he
or she is a werewolf and of a whole town believing that they had
seen a werewolf.

Like most attempts to use modern science explain away religious
beliefs and folklore, this theory is controversial. For example, it
does not explain why outbreaks of witchcraft hysteria and legends of
animal transformations exist around the world, including in places
where there is no ergot. Hysteria and superstition have existed
across the world for all of recorded history, and, generally
speaking, fungus poisoning is not to blame.

Similarly, some modern researchers have tried to use conditions such
as rabies, hypertrichosis (excessive hair growth over the entire
body) or porphyria as an explanation for werewolf beliefs, although
the symptoms of those ailments don't match up well with the folklore
or the evidence of the episodes of hysteria either.

There is also a rare mental disorder called clinical lycanthropy, in
which an affected person has a delusional belief that they are
transforming into another animal, although not always a wolf or
werewolf.

Therianthropy is a spiritual concept in which the individual
believes they have the spirit or soul, in whole or in part, of a non-
human animal. This is considered a spiritual or religious belief and
is not thought to be, in itself, a sign of clinical illness.

Werewolves in modern fiction
The process of transmogrification is widely supposed in both film
and literature to be painful. The resulting wolf is typically
cunning but merciless, and prone to killing and eating people
without compunction regardless of the moral character of the person
when human. The form a werewolf takes is not always an ordinary
wolf, but is often anthropomorphic or may be otherwise larger and
more powerful than an ordinary wolf. Many modern werewolves are also
supposedly immune to damage caused by ordinary weapons, being
vulnerable only to silver objects (usually a bullet or blade). This
negative reaction to silver is sometimes so strong that the mere
touch of the metal on a werewolf's skin will cause burns. Current-
day werewolf legends almost exclusively involve lycanthropy being
either a hereditary condition or being transmitted like a disease by
the bite of another werewolf.

Werewolves have been dealt with in many movies, short stories, and
novels, with varying degrees of success. The genre was made popular
in recent times by the classic Universal Studios movie The Wolf Man
(1941), starring Lon Chaney Jr. as the werewolf Larry Talbot. This
movie contained the now-famous rhyme: "Even a man who is pure in
heart / And says his prayers at night / May become a wolf when the
wolf-bane blooms / And the autumn moon is bright." This movie is
often credited with originating several aspects of the legend which
differ from traditional folklore (including invulnerability to non-
silver weapons, contagiousness, and association with the moon).

More recently, the portrayal of werewolves has taken a significantly
positive turn in some circles. With the rise of environmentalism and
other back-to-nature ideals, the werewolf has come to be seen as a
representation of humanity allied more closely with nature. A prime
example of this outlook can be seen in the role-playing game
Werewolf: The Apocalypse in which players roleplay various werewolf
characters who work on behalf of Gaia against the destructive
supernatural spirit named Wyrm, who represents the forces of
destructive industrialization and pollution. Author Whitley Strieber
previously explored these themes in his novels The Wild (in which
the werewolf is portrayed as a medium through which to bring human
intelligence and spirit back into nature) and The Wolfen (in which
werewolves are shown to act as predators of humanity, acting as
a "natural" control on their population now that it has been removed
from the traditional limits of nature).

Werewolves still continue to be popular as monsters in movies and
literature, however. The recent film Ginger Snaps made use of
lycanthropy as an analogue to puberty, portraying the unsettling
physical and emotional changes of human adolescence through the
device of lycanthropic transformation.

The novel Howling Mad by Peter David takes the novel approach of
featuring a wolf who has been bitten by a werewolf, becoming
a "werehuman" as a result. The werehuman provides the reader with a
unique perspective on human civilization.

J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth legendarium also features
werewolves. Tolkien's werewolves are not shapeshifters, but evil
spirits in wolf-form. See: werewolves (Middle-earth).

J.K. Rowling uses a werewolf named Remus J. Lupin in her Harry
Potter series as, ironically enough, the only competent Defense
Against the Dark Arts teacher, despite the obvious mistrust that
being a werewolf handicaps him with.

Angela Carter's "The Company of Wolves" is a modern take on the
story of Little Red Riding Hood in which the wolf is but a werewolf.
He, as a young man, approaches the girl on her way to her
grandmother's house. Carter imbues the story with sexual overtones
and the story climaxes when the werewolf seduces the girl into
sleeping with him in her late grandmother's bed. There is also a
movie based on this short story, directed by Neil Jordan.

The theme is also featured in computer games. In 1995 Sierra On-Line
created the critically-acclaimed The Beast Within: A Gabriel Knight
Mystery, which included werewolves.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Raise Taxes! But make the checks payable to MTAPD beer
fund c/o me. I love democracy.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <spqr753@...> wrote:

> Salve Romans
>
> From the web
>
> Citizenship
>
> "Unique among the world's nations, none of its

people actually live there, the entire population
being expatriate. As such, it has no native born
citizens, but recognizes those affiliated with the
republic on its founding date as native citizens.
Anyone else is welcome to apply for native
citizenship. The current fee is $1,000,000 US.
Checks may be made payable to "Cash" and sent to:"

>
> Lucastan Ministry of Immigration
> Bureau of Bribe Management
> Behind the Hot Water Pipes
> 3d Men's Room Along
> Penn Station
> Newark, New Jersey, USA
>
>
>
> $1,000,000 US for citizenship ???? Does this

mean Nova Roma is an even BETTER deal than anyone
thought or do we just need to raise taxes?????

>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
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S P Q R

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CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·CONCIVIBVS·S·P·D

Since several of you seemed interested in the eclipse, I will tell you
what I saw yesterday.

I left my office in central Madrid at 10:50 to watch the eclipse. I
went to a nearby park and brought my special glasses. Sunlight went
down, like if the sun were setting, although the sun was still high in
the sky, and it didn't actually disappear. At a certain point, one
could see through the glasses that the moon had covered the sun and
that only a circle of light was visible -- nothing could be seen
without the glasses, except that the intensity of light was much lower
and that temperature had dropped a few degrees. In a few minutes, it
was all over.

I noted a special effect in the shadows cast by sunlight: instead of
being clearly cut, there was a double-shadow effect, like the one you
get with indirect light.

S·V·B·E·E·V

CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT

The PC police would have you think it was all about
slavery but outright talk of secession made war
inevitable. I think law prohibits cession of a U S
state.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mjk@...>
wrote:

> Salvete Tiberi Galeri et omnes,
>
> I never recall of any ancient social movements to

abolish slavery

> and remember more or less that there wasn't much

complaining about

> the institution until the 18th century. I am sure

thr greatest force

> in ending it in the west was the industrial

revolution. I might add,

> a little off topic, that I never believed the

American Civil War was

> about slavery like many politically correct

teachings show today for

> if it was it was the most senseless waste of life in

history since

> then and subsequently less than one generation (25

years,) all the

> mechanized farm equipment, steam tractors, ploughs

etc. became the

> norm and would have rendered slaves economically

impracticle since

> the machines could do in a day what 100 men could do

in a month.

>
> Anyway here is a good article that addresses the

thoughts and

> resistance on Ancient slavery:
>
>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/romans/slavery_01.shtml

>
> Regards,
>
> QLP
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P.

Gallagher"

> <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > Salve
> >
> > I know that a slave had a chance at freedom to a

far greater

> degree under Rome than in just about any other

ancient civilization.

> >
> > Why was this the case?
> >
> > Was there ever any discussion in any ancient

civilization that

> slavery should be ended ( not meaning slaves) and if

so what reasons

> were given?
> >
> > Did any ancient civilization not allow slavery?
> >
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

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>
>

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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Octobris; haec dies comitialis est.

"M. Fabius Dorsuo and Ser. Sulpicius Camerinus were the next consuls.
A sudden raid by the Auruncans led to a war with that people. Fears
were entertained that more than one city was concerned in this, that
in fact it had been planned by the entire Latin League. To meet all
Latium in arms L. Furius Camillus was nominated Dictator; he appointed
Cnaeus Manlius Capitolinus Master of the Horse. As usual in great and
sudden alarms a suspension of all business was proclaimed and the
enlistment was made without any claims to exemption being allowed;
when it was completed the legions were marched as rapidly as possible
against the Auruncans. They showed the temper of marauders rather than
of soldiers, and the war was finished in the very first battle. But as
they had begun the war without any provocation and had shown no
reluctance to accept battle, the Dictator thought it his duty to
secure the help of the gods, and during the actual fighting he vowed a
temple to Juno Moneta. On his victorious return to Rome, he resigned
his Dictatorship to discharge his vow. The senate ordered two
commissioners to be appointed to carry out the construction of that
temple in a style commensurate with the greatness of the Roman people,
and a site was marked out in the Citadel where the house of M. Manlius
Capitolinus had stood. The consuls employed the Dictator's army in
war with the Volscians and took from them by a coup-de-main the city
of Sora.

The temple of Moneta was dedicated in the following year, when C.
Marcius Rutilus was consul for the third time and T. Manlius Torquatus
for the second. A portent followed close on the dedication similar to
the old portent on the Alban Mount; a shower of stones fell and night
seemed to stretch its curtain over the day. The citizens were filled
with dread at this supernatural occurrence, and after the Sibylline
Books had been consulted the senate decided upon the appointment of a
Dictator to arrange the ceremonial observances for the ap- pointed
days. P. Valerius Publicola was nominated and Q. Fabius Ambustus was
appointed Master of the Horse. It was arranged that not only the Roman
tribes but also the neighbour- ing populations should take part in the
public intercessions, and the order of the days which each was to
observe was definitely laid down. There were prosecutions this year
of moneylenders by the aediles, and heavy sentences are stated to have
been passed on them by the people. For some reason, which is not
recorded, matters reverted to an interregnum. As, however, it ended in
the election of two patrician consuls, this would appear to be the
reason why it was resorted to. The new consuls were M. Valerius Corvus
(for the third time) and A. Cornelius Cossus." - Livy, History of Rome
7.28


On this day the rite of mundus (Mania) was performed, in which an
effigy representing the sky was placed upside down in a pit and and
covered with a large stone called the lapis manalis. Three times a
year, including today, the stone was removed to alow the spirits of
the underworld access to the upper regions of the earth.

In Roman mythology, it was believed that the entrances to the
afterworld were also very real locations, called the Mundus, and the
one in Rome was called the mundus Cereris (the exact location is no
longer known). This was a pit, which was capped off by a stone called
the Lapis Manalis until three days of ill omen (August 24th, October
5th, and November 8th). On these days, the lid was lifted to expose
the ostium orci, the Gate to Hades, and to release the manes, spirits
of the Roman dead. The collective di manes (divine dead) were
considered potent spirits that needed appeasing, and additional
holidays throughout the year were celebrated to appease them, usually
on odd numbered days of ill luck. Mania was the goddess of the
underworld, mother or caretaker to the lesser deities of the lares.
She was also revered on May 11th during this period, during which time
charms called mania (plural maniae) were placed on the doors of houses
(as a ward, perhaps) against this goddess, who had the characteristics
of a "boogey-man" in Roman lore.

Valete bene!

Cato


SOURCES

Livy
(http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0026&layout=&loc=7.28),
Mania (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/mania_2.html)

>
> Did any ancient civilization not allow slavery?
>

I don't know quite how you would distinguish slave from free given the
authoritarianism of 'classic' civilisation right up to 1912 in China.
Personlly, I see very little difference between today's 'wage slaves' and the
past and nor does the Anti-Slavery League, save that today's are not an
investment, so more expendible.
However, I think there's evidence that ancient Egypt did not have personal
slavery in the same way, maybe only State slavery for criminals and not
necessarily for life. It is closer to a kind of Socialism structured round the
local main temple. Very much the same idea came into the Bible (The Earth is
the Lord's) since of course Moses was 'skilled in arts of the Egyptians', but
with only one deity. Christian Jacq has written several novels (City of Light
series I find unreadable) but he is an Egyptologist and even if I think maybe
makes them too sweetness & light, gives a good case for at the worst a
kind of benign State indenture. The exception may be Akhnaton who effectively
enslaved the population in his monotheistic monomania.

Caesariensis



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In a message dated 10/4/2005 5:17:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mjk@... writes:

I never recall of any ancient social movements to abolish slavery
and remember more or less that there wasn't much complaining about
the institution until the 18th century. I am sure thr greatest force
in ending it in the west was the industrial revolution. I might add,
a little off topic, that I never believed the American Civil War was
about slavery like many politically correct teachings show today


Slavery was lumped into the question should States control certain
aspects of their own economy and control their citizens. We fought
a civil war over the question of States Rights. The Feds won.

Slavery is one of the most polarizing subjects when I do a lecture on the
ACW.
Two sides literally form in the room, pro and con. Because I have studied
Rome and history I have come up with two unshakable conclusions.

Because mankind seeks to dominate each other, slavery will always be
a possibility. However, you also need a marketplace for slavery to exist.
African chieftains would not have been encouraged to capture their
neighboring
tribes if the England and the US was not purchasing the by-product.

Enlightened nations only halt the use of slavery when it is not needed.

Fabius




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Salve, Cato!

Do you have any idea about how could I get the wonderful information
you give us every day, but in Spanish? I'd like to post something
similar in the mailing list of our Mexico Provincia, and I really
don't have the time for translate it daily...
Thanks a lot for any help you can provide...

Vale optime,

M. IVL. SEVERVS

In a message dated 10/5/2005 3:39:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
praefectus2324@... writes:

I think law prohibits cession of a U S
state.



Yeah it is the Constitution. The Southern states took the unique view that
since
they voluntarily joined the US, they could declare the Union was dissolved
anytime they
wanted it to. Lincoln disagreed, and based on the language in the Document
he
was correct. There is no clause in the Constitution that allowed a joining
State
to withdraw without the permission of the Federal Government.
Hence the Confederacy was formed to allow the individual States to gain
their
independence by force of Arms, but the whole thing was doomed from the start
since
overlying cause "State's Rights" meant a State was free to cooperate or not
with the Confederate government. One cannot run a rebellion that way.

Fabius


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G. Equitius Cato M. Iulio Severo S.P.D.

Salve Severus!

I've looked at my source materials and I cannot find any link in
Spanish; perhaps you could copy-and-paste and babelfish it
English-to-Spanish? This might give you at least the basics and you'd
only have to correct whatever amazingly inaccurate problems might pop up?

Vale optime,

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Luis Gutiérrez Esparza
<marcusiuliusseverus@l...> wrote:

> Salve, Cato!
>
> Do you have any idea about how could I get the wonderful information
> you give us every day, but in Spanish? I'd like to post something
> similar in the mailing list of our Mexico Provincia, and I really
> don't have the time for translate it daily...
> Thanks a lot for any help you can provide...
>
> Vale optime,
>
> M. IVL. SEVERVS

> Does anyone know what has happened to the beasts
> (ahem . . . I
> mean "gladiators") and the animals entered in the
> LUDI?

Unfortunately, we didn't get enough entrants for these
contests to justify allowing anyone's beautiful
creatures to be ripped to shreds... this kind of
spectacle needs to be huge....

(I admit that my only finding Cato's entries rather
late, due to their appearing on the main list instead
of private email, did contribute to this decision - by
the time I found out that we would have had a fairly
reasonable show, it was too late to do the proper
research on the animals in question)

Apologies to those who did send entries - you may of
course enter the same animals & gladiators in future
contests, as they're all deemed to have survived.

Livia



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>
> I think law prohibits cession of a U S
> state.
>
>
>
> Yeah it is the Constitution. The Southern states took the unique view that
> since
> they voluntarily joined the US, they could declare the Union was dissolved
> anytime they
> wanted it to. Lincoln disagreed, and based on the language in the Document
> he
> was correct. There is no clause in the Constitution that allowed a joining
> State
> to withdraw without the permission of the Federal Government.

Didn't Jefferson and Franklin assume some kind of looser UN kind of
organisation with even the central government regarded as a foreign
co-ordinating force rather than as a superior level? Can't see how that would
work. Switzerland calls itself a Confederation but nobody has ever heard of
one canton making treaties by itself!
Caesariensis



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In a message dated 10/5/2005 1:43:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
me-in-@... writes:
Jefferson and Franklin assume some kind of looser UN kind of
organisation with even the central government regarded as a foreign
co-ordinating force rather than as a superior level?
Franklin maybe...Jefferson believed that Federal control extended to all
levels.

Fabius


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Salve Cato!

I'll try what you suggest, amice. (And I'll let you know how it comes...)

Vale optime,

M•IVL•SEVERVS

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On 5 Oct 2005, at 1428, QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 10/5/2005 3:39:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> praefectus2324@... writes:
>
> I think law prohibits cession of a U S
> state.
>
>
>
> Yeah it is the Constitution. The Southern states took the unique
> view that
> since
> they voluntarily joined the US, they could declare the Union was
> dissolved
> anytime they

I stand correction, but there is, I believe, no such clause in the
Constitution of the US that was understood that way prior to King
Abe. And as it is not an enumerated power (given to the Federal
Gov't) it is a power reserved to the states. This was not a unique
view: Several northern states also plotted a secession in the early
part of the 1800s and there was no discussion of legality even in the
papers at the time. "Could it work?" was the only question. It was
assumed legal.

This attitude carried over into the editorials on the Southern
action: many papers supported the sessecion and no one questioned the
legality of it - until the federal gov't began to shut down
newspapers that dared to disagree with the official view.

Greetings from a new member of the list and one writing from the
sovereign state of North Carolina - although said sovereignty is
daily eroded.

I have signed up but not yet heard regarding my application for
membership in N.R. Forgive me for making my introduction on such an
off-topic topic! I beg your indulgence, but I couldn't resist!

Yours,

Huw Richardson

Titus Ursus Rufinus

So did the Felton book get published?
--

>|P. Dominus Antonius|<

Tony Dah m

Oderint dum metuant - Cicero
Si vis pacem, para bellum - Vegetius


On 10/4/05, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) <mjk@...>
wrote:

>
> But like the first blood meal for a vampire, the scholarly
> treatise only whet the appetite for more ghost stories from the
> ancient empires. As a result, Felton last week agreed to edit an
> anthology of supernatural tales from Rome and Greece. Tentatively
> titled "Things That Went Bump in the Night: Tales of the
> Supernatural from Ancient Greece and Rome," the book will probably
> be published in 2003, says Felton.
>

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Salve Tite Urse,

In my opinion Rome had many things in common with the worlds and
civilizations that followed her. Sometimes it never hurts to go off
topic a little on issues such as slavery, succesion etc. For example,
in Ancient times I never forgot the story of the Confederacy of Delos
or Delian League when they tried the option of sucession! Throughout
history, save the Check Republic, federations that broke up sooner or
later had civil war. Also the Romans' passion for the arena can be
compared to the love of violent films that sell the best today. Many
say that's what learning history is all about. If we do not learn from
the past, we're doomed to repeat it.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Huw Richardson <arkouda@d...> wrote:
>
>
> I have signed up but not yet heard regarding my application for
> membership in N.R. Forgive me for making my introduction on such an
> off-topic topic! I beg your indulgence, but I couldn't resist!
>
> Yours,
>
> Huw Richardson
>
> Titus Ursus Rufinus

I have all of Mr. Jacqs books. All highly enjoyable.
The series about Deir El Medina was cute. Ramesses II
helping Helen of Sparta hide from her hubby-classic.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <me-in-@...>
wrote:

> >
> > Did any ancient civilization not allow slavery?
> >
>
> I don't know quite how you would distinguish

slave from free given the

> authoritarianism of 'classic' civilisation right up

to 1912 in China.

> Personlly, I see very little difference between

today's 'wage slaves' and the

> past and nor does the Anti-Slavery League, save that

today's are not an

> investment, so more expendible.
> However, I think there's evidence that ancient

Egypt did not have personal

> slavery in the same way, maybe only State slavery

for criminals and not

> necessarily for life. It is closer to a kind of

Socialism structured round the

> local main temple. Very much the same idea came

into the Bible (The Earth is

> the Lord's) since of course Moses was 'skilled in

arts of the Egyptians', but

> with only one deity. Christian Jacq has written

several novels (City of Light

> series I find unreadable) but he is an Egyptologist

and even if I think maybe

> makes them too sweetness & light, gives a good

case for at the worst a

> kind of benign State indenture. The exception may be

Akhnaton who effectively

> enslaved the population in his monotheistic

monomania.

>
> Caesariensis
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>

S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

Marcvs Flavivs Fides
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Salve

I know this is off topic but what the hay.

The legal status of secession was an open question until two things happened.

1 The union won the civil war on the battle field and 2 the US supreme court ruled in 1870 that none of the southern states ever left the union.

The concept of voluntary leaving the union was a popular belief before the war and not just with southerners
as the New England states contemplated doing just that because of the war of 1812.
It destroyed the Federalist as a viable political party.

Secession was taught at the United States Military Academy as a legal right
of states for decades before the civil war.

It would have been ironic if the US Supreme Court had ruled in 1870
that the southern states HAD left the union after 600,000 had died in the civil war.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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In a message dated 10/5/2005 3:39:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
praefectus2324@...<mailto:praefectus2324@...> writes:

I think law prohibits cession of a U S
state.



Yeah it is the Constitution. The Southern states took the unique view that
since
they voluntarily joined the US, they could declare the Union was dissolved
anytime they
wanted it to. Lincoln disagreed, and based on the language in the Document
he
was correct. There is no clause in the Constitution that allowed a joining
State
to withdraw without the permission of the Federal Government.
Hence the Confederacy was formed to allow the individual States to gain
their
independence by force of Arms, but the whole thing was doomed from the start
since
overlying cause "State's Rights" meant a State was free to cooperate or not
with the Confederate government. One cannot run a rebellion that way.

Fabius


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Citizens of Rome,
First, let me appologize for disappearing off of the face of the
known earth over a year ago. My fiance' had been serving overseas and
was lost to me. Overcome with grief, for several months, I could
barely function in life. When I was finally able to accept the loss, I
vowed her death would not be in vain. Although no longer in the active
military, certain skills I possess were in need, and I accepted a
government contract to travel overseas and assist in the reconstruction
for six months. I am home now, my life still empty, but no longer
hopeless. I ask for your forgiveness because instead of turning to
those of you who honored me with the title friend, I locked myself away
from the world, forsaking all.

If the Republic will have me, and welcome me once again into its
bossom, I offer you my sword, my loyalty, and my honor.

Marcus Scipio Africanus
Tribunus Agusticlavii

Citizens of Rome,
First, let me appologize for disappearing off of
the face of the known earth over a year ago. My
fiance' had been serving overseas and was lost to me.
Overcome with grief, for several months, I could
barely function in life. When I was finally able to
accept the loss, I vowed her death would not be in
vain. Although no longer in the active military,
certain skills I possess were in need, and I accepted
a government contract to travel overseas and assist in
the reconstruction for six months. I am home now, my
life still empty, but no longer hopeless. I ask for
your forgiveness because instead of turning to those
of you who honored me with the title friend, I locked
myself away from the world, forsaking all.

If the Republic will have me, and welcome me once
again into its bossom, I offer you my sword, my
loyalty, and my honor.

Marcus Scipio Africanus
Tribunus Agusticlavii



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In a message dated 10/5/2005 4:47:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
arkouda@... writes:
This attitude carried over into the editorials on the Southern
action: many papers supported the sessecion and no one questioned the
legality of it - until the federal gov't began to shut down
newspapers that dared to disagree with the official view.

Greetings from a new member of the list and one writing from the
sovereign state of North Carolina - although said sovereignty is
daily eroded.

I have signed up but not yet heard regarding my application for
membership in N.R. Forgive me for making my introduction on such an
off-topic topic! I beg your indulgence, but I couldn't resist!
Hey, no problem. I deal with Southerners on a daily basis.
So this is nothing I have not heard before.
In fact I should be in the Big Easy shooting right
now. Some big storm messed that all up...

Supreme Court ruled in 1869 or 70 that y'all never left. This
means that US could not consider reparations were owed
for the prosecution of the war. So the Seceesh States were
considered "wayward children" who not were back in the fold
but who never left. Tell that to Ga, and SC.
But the final point is: the war was fought, the Federals
won, and the States' right to regulate slavery abolished.

Fabius


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Personlly, I see very little difference between today's 'wage slaves'
and the
past and nor does the Anti-Slavery League, save that today's are not an
investment, so more expendible.


Salvete omnes,

Well the difference I see is the fact that today's wage has the option
of quitting a low wage job and moving on to a higher paying one,
becoming self employed or going on the dole without being flogged,
resold or put to the sword; furthermore if a "wage slave" goes postal
and kills his master (boss) all the other wage slaves are not
automatically put to death as they were in ancient Rome... apparently
that sort of punishment seemed dreadful but apparently it encouraged
all other slaves to either protect their masters or report any plot,
which reminds me...

One day I suggested this line of thinking to an MP with regards to
terrorism. Terrorists from any country or organization are certainly
not afraid to die themselves but do fear for the proliferation and
well being of their families. This covers everyone from the Triad
Asian gangs to El Quaeda and narco traficantes. I suggested that if
these sorts committed a terrorist act, all their families, right down
to the first cousins should have all their properties, businesses and
assets seized, those revenues distributed to the victims followed by
immediate deportation if they are landed immigrants and new citizens.
In this way the families would be encouraged to keep on top of things
and report any unusual activities or plots being generated by a son,
daughter, brother or cousin.

Afterall it is getting to the stage now where parents of juveniles,
not able to be prosecuted in adult courts, can be sued for the action
of their children. You cannot tell me that a mafia wife who's husband
lives like a millionaire but has little education or skills does not
have some sort of idea where her money comes from as parents with kids
coming home with expensive clothes, toys, gadgets, cartons of
cigarettes etc. or a family who's son spends too much time at the
mosque, withdraws into himself or harps by praising fanaticism and
takes an overly long vacation to the middle east.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est pridie Nonas Octobris; haec dies comitialis est.

"Mistletoe is, however, seldom found on a hard-oak, and when it is
discovered it is gathered with great ceremony, and particularly on the
6th day of the moon (which for those tribes [Druids] constitutes the
beginning of the months and the years) and after every thirty years of
a generation, because it is then rising in strength and not one half
its full size." - Pliny the Elder, Natural History XVI.250

"The history will now be occupied with wars greater than any pre-
viously recorded; greater whether we consider the forces en gaged in
them or the length of time they lasted, or the extent of country over
which they were waged. For it was in this year that hostilities
commenced with the Samnites, a people strong in material resources and
military power. Our war with the Samnites, with its varying fortunes,
was followed by the war with Pyrrhus, and that again by the war with
Carthage. What a chapter of great events! How often had we to pass
through the very extremity of danger in order that our dominion might
be exalted to its present greatness, a greatness which is with
difficulty maintained!

The cause of the war between the Romans and the Samnites, who had been
our friends and allies, came, however, from without; it did not arise
between the two peoples themselves. The Samnites, simply because they
were the stronger, made an un- provoked attack upon the Sidicines; the
weaker side were com- pelled to fly for succour to those who were more
powerful and threw in their lot with the Campanians. The Campanians
brought to the help of their allies the prestige of their name rather
than actual strength; enervated by luxury they were worsted by a
people inured to the use of arms, and after being defeated on Sidicine
territory diverted the whole weight of the war against themselves. The
Samnites, dropping operations against the Sidicines, attacked the
Campanians as being the mainstay and stronghold of their neighbours;
they saw, too, that whilst victory would be just as easily won here,
it would bring more glory and spoils. They seized the Tifata hills
which overlook Capua and left a strong force to hold them, then they
descended in close order into the plain which lies between the Tifata
hills and Capua. Here a second battle took place, in which the
Campanians were defeated and driven within their walls. They had lost
the flower of their army, and as there was no hope of any assistance
near, they found themselves com- pelled to ask for help from Rome." -
Livy, History of Rome 7.29

PERSON OF THE DAY - ANCHISES

Anchises was the son of Capys, and a cousin of King Priam of Troy. He
was loved by Venus, who bore him a son, Aeneas. Anchises was the owner
of six remarkable horses, which he acquired by secretly mating his own
mares with the divinely-bred stallions of Laomedon. But he was chiefly
remembered because of the career of his son. After the fall of Troy,
Aeneas escaped from the burning ruins of the city, carrying his father
and the household gods (see Lares and Penates) on his shoulders.
Anchises then accompanied Aeneas and the band of Trojan refugees who
set sail for Italy, where it was prophesied that they would found the
city of Rome. Anchises died before the trip was over, and was buried
in Sicily. After his death, Anchises saw his son once more, when
Aeneas visited the underworld to learn more about his own destiny.

Valete bene!

Cato


SOURCES

Livy
(http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Pe
rseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0026;query=chapter%3D%23376;layout=;loc=7.30),
Anchises ("Anchises." Encyclopedia Mythica from Encyclopedia Mythica
Online.
<http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/anchises.html>)

Salve Marce Scipio Africane,

Welcome back! My condolences regarding your loss and I hope things
fall back into place quickly for you. The doors of NR are always
open for those who wish to return! I would contact the censors and
let them know you are on the rosters since we are finishing up our
census now.

Vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus






--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@y...>
wrote:

> Citizens of Rome,
> First, let me appologize for disappearing off of
> the face of the known earth over a year ago. My
> fiance' had been serving overseas and was lost to me.
> Overcome with grief, for several months, I could
> barely function in life. When I was finally able to
> accept the loss, I vowed her death would not be in
> vain. Although no longer in the active military,
> certain skills I possess were in need, and I accepted
> a government contract to travel overseas and assist in
> the reconstruction for six months. I am home now, my
> life still empty, but no longer hopeless. I ask for
> your forgiveness because instead of turning to those
> of you who honored me with the title friend, I locked
> myself away from the world, forsaking all.
>
> If the Republic will have me, and welcome me once
> again into its bossom, I offer you my sword, my
> loyalty, and my honor.
>
> Marcus Scipio Africanus
> Tribunus Agusticlavii
>
>
>
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Thank you to everyone for your letters of welcome. I
have been too long away from Rome's light, and once
settled back into my villa, I intend to jump back in
with both caligae. :)

M. Scipio Africanus



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Salve,
Should I be accepted by the censors--my name would be Lucius Galerius
Festus. I wanted to intorduce myself--I'm from Kansas City, Mo.
I wanted to know if anyone out there can give me any advice on
starting a Roman military reenactor group. If anyone is in the region
and would be interested in reenacting, please email me.. Any help
would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Temporarily-James

Salve Lucius Galerius Festus,
I would welcome you to join the Sodalitus
Militarium. We have a yahoogroup like the main NR
group, where you can find the answers to these
questions and many more. :) Being a Roman reenactor
myself, I will gladly help you as best I can.

Vale,
M. Scipio Africanus
Tribunus Augusticlavii




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Valetudo quod fortuna omnes,

Looks like a good opportunity...

I am Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus; having come into Nova
Roman citizenship in July 2471 AUC (1998 CE), I was pretty active for
the first 5 years: elected Quaestor 3 times, Lictor since 7/99,
Provincial Legate, Rogator pro tem, elevated to Patrician status for
my service to the Res Publica.

I am also the founder and Dominus pro vita ;-) of the Brewers' and
Cook's society.

I've been "retired to the country," so to speak, the last couple of years.

Illness reared its ugly head in the summer of 2003 and I have had my
energies diverted to keeping hearth and home in good order. I am well
on the road to recovery, as is my beloved Annia Ulleria. Nothing I've
suffered was life threatening, but I have been quite enervated
anddistracted. I did fear losing Annia a couple of times, though.

That being said; the pall of gloom is brightening.
Old friends are coming back from travels "in the country."
I have regained a measure of control over my life and enough energy to
look beyond my own walls once again.

Much to do, with a better perspective...
Much to catch up on, with a better perspective...

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

--
Living a virtuous life need not be complicated at all.
Honor the Holy Powers in word and deed.
Honor your Family and Forebears.
Give heed to knowledge and skill.
Attempt to do that which is Right;
with Wisdom, Generosity and Personal Honor.
Read, Write, Love, Laugh, Hate, Cry, Cook, Build,
Sit quietly with family enjoying the birds flying by;
just be the best of that for which you are capable as a Man.
Remember that everything you do adds to the weight of your Past,
for Good or Ill. - Venii

Now that I have settled back into my villa, I have contacted the
Censors to let them know I have returned to Roma's arms. I am still
trying to catch up on all that I have missed over the past year, and
would be delighted if someone could send me a private scroll with basic
rundown of anything important that I might have missed during my
sojourn. Also, if at all possible, I would love to be allowed the
opportunity to pay my back taxes. :D

Marcus Scipio Africanus
Tribunus Augusticlavii

Salvete Stephane Ulleri et omnes,

The main thing with you and some of the others is that you kept us
informed regarding your health or family issues and though you were
absent at times, we were all well aware of your status.
Unfortunately there are others I know who just disappeared entirely
without any letters of resignation or similar comments. Sadly there
is no response from emails, now their landlines and cellulars don't
work so I often wonder if misfortune came to them be it cancer,
heart attacks or auto accidents. The whereabouts of some citizens is
still a mystery.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Stefn Ullarsson
<catamountgrange@g...> wrote:

> Valetudo quod fortuna omnes,
>
> Looks like a good opportunity...
>
> I am Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus; having come into Nova
> Roman citizenship in July 2471 AUC (1998 CE), I was pretty active

for

> the first 5 years: elected Quaestor 3 times, Lictor since 7/99,
> Provincial Legate, Rogator pro tem, elevated to Patrician status

for

> my service to the Res Publica.
>
> I am also the founder and Dominus pro vita ;-) of the Brewers' and
> Cook's society.
>
> I've been "retired to the country," so to speak, the last couple

of years.

>
> Illness reared its ugly head in the summer of 2003 and I have had

my

> energies diverted to keeping hearth and home in good order. I am

well

> on the road to recovery, as is my beloved Annia Ulleria. Nothing

I've

> suffered was life threatening, but I have been quite enervated
> anddistracted. I did fear losing Annia a couple of times, though.
>
> That being said; the pall of gloom is brightening.
> Old friends are coming back from travels "in the country."
> I have regained a measure of control over my life and enough

energy to

> look beyond my own walls once again.
>
> Much to do, with a better perspective...
> Much to catch up on, with a better perspective...
>
> =========================================
> In amicitia quod fides -
> Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
> Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor
>
> Religio Septentrionalis - Poet
>
> Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
>
> --
> Living a virtuous life need not be complicated at all.
> Honor the Holy Powers in word and deed.
> Honor your Family and Forebears.
> Give heed to knowledge and skill.
> Attempt to do that which is Right;
> with Wisdom, Generosity and Personal Honor.
> Read, Write, Love, Laugh, Hate, Cry, Cook, Build,
> Sit quietly with family enjoying the birds flying by;
> just be the best of that for which you are capable as a Man.
> Remember that everything you do adds to the weight of your Past,
> for Good or Ill. - Venii

This is an sad thing in deed. Perhaps it would be a
good idea for the Censors and the provincial
governments to work together to see what citizens
indeed are alive and well, and which ones are but
names on a slate.

M. Scipio Africanus

--- "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"
<mjk@...> wrote:

> Salvete Stephane Ulleri et omnes,
>
> The main thing with you and some of the others is
> that you kept us
> informed regarding your health or family issues and
> though you were
> absent at times, we were all well aware of your
> status.
> Unfortunately there are others I know who just
> disappeared entirely
> without any letters of resignation or similar
> comments. Sadly there
> is no response from emails, now their landlines and
> cellulars don't
> work so I often wonder if misfortune came to them be
> it cancer,
> heart attacks or auto accidents. The whereabouts of
> some citizens is
> still a mystery.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Stefn Ullarsson
> <catamountgrange@g...> wrote:
> > Valetudo quod fortuna omnes,
> >
> > Looks like a good opportunity...
> >
> > I am Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus;
> having come into Nova
> > Roman citizenship in July 2471 AUC (1998 CE), I
> was pretty active
> for
> > the first 5 years: elected Quaestor 3 times,
> Lictor since 7/99,
> > Provincial Legate, Rogator pro tem, elevated to
> Patrician status
> for
> > my service to the Res Publica.
> >
> > I am also the founder and Dominus pro vita ;-) of
> the Brewers' and
> > Cook's society.
> >
> > I've been "retired to the country," so to speak,
> the last couple
> of years.
> >
> > Illness reared its ugly head in the summer of 2003
> and I have had
> my
> > energies diverted to keeping hearth and home in
> good order. I am
> well
> > on the road to recovery, as is my beloved Annia
> Ulleria. Nothing
> I've
> > suffered was life threatening, but I have been
> quite enervated
> > anddistracted. I did fear losing Annia a couple
> of times, though.
> >
> > That being said; the pall of gloom is brightening.
> > Old friends are coming back from travels "in the
> country."
> > I have regained a measure of control over my life
> and enough
> energy to
> > look beyond my own walls once again.
> >
> > Much to do, with a better perspective...
> > Much to catch up on, with a better perspective...
> >
> > =========================================
> > In amicitia quod fides -
> > Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
> > Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor
> >
> > Religio Septentrionalis - Poet
> >
> > Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
> >
> > --
> > Living a virtuous life need not be complicated at
> all.
> > Honor the Holy Powers in word and deed.
> > Honor your Family and Forebears.
> > Give heed to knowledge and skill.
> > Attempt to do that which is Right;
> > with Wisdom, Generosity and Personal Honor.
> > Read, Write, Love, Laugh, Hate, Cry, Cook, Build,
> > Sit quietly with family enjoying the birds flying
> by;
> > just be the best of that for which you are capable
> as a Man.
> > Remember that everything you do adds to the weight
> of your Past,
> > for Good or Ill. - Venii
>
>
>

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Salvete Quirites, et salve Marce Africane,

Quoting Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@...>:

> This is an sad thing in deed. Perhaps it would be a
> good idea for the Censors and the provincial
> governments to work together to see what citizens
> indeed are alive and well, and which ones are but
> names on a slate.

We are currently conducting the biennial census, and I know that in my own
province I ping my citizens every year. All of the provincial governors are
involved in supporting the current census.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Welcome back Africanus, it has been a long time!
Vale;
C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
(formerly Gaius Modius Athanasius)

On 10/6/05, marcusafricanus <marcusafricanus@...> wrote:
>
> Now that I have settled back into my villa, I have contacted the
> Censors to let them know I have returned to Roma's arms. I am still
> trying to catch up on all that I have missed over the past year, and
> would be delighted if someone could send me a private scroll with basic
> rundown of anything important that I might have missed during my
> sojourn. Also, if at all possible, I would love to be allowed the
> opportunity to pay my back taxes. :D
>
> Marcus Scipio Africanus
> Tribunus Augusticlavii
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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> Personlly, I see very little difference between today's 'wage slaves'
> and the
> past and nor does the Anti-Slavery League, save that today's are not an
> investment, so more expendible.
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Well the difference I see is the fact that today's wage has the option
> of quitting a low wage job and moving on to a higher paying one,
> becoming self employed or going on the dole without being flogged,
> resold or put to the sword; furthermore if a "wage slave" goes postal
> and kills his master (boss) all the other wage slaves are not
> automatically put to death as they were in ancient Rome... apparently
> that sort of punishment seemed dreadful but apparently it encouraged
> all other slaves to either protect their masters or report any plot,
> which reminds me...
>

Not worldwise they don't! What you say is substantially true even in the US
where welfare is far from the norm and then again because it is not, people
have often been readier to find a job for somebody. But take it to the
Philippines or parts of India and you have to wonder just how much has
changed. That is of course not counting the illegal immigrant exploitation
that goes on under our noses in both sweat-shops and sexual services.

I have quite a lot of sympathy with the rest of yours but each case on its
merits. I don't particularly find slavery objectionable anyway. I would much
rather see a machine slavery supplemented with criminals and maybe a short
period of conscription to learn a trad and provide the basics for everybody to
be able to enjoy 'creative leisure' like the Roman upper class. Work first for
the 'productive satisfaction' second for the money. Equality far too often
means limitting privilege instead of extending it. Lenin stopped aristocracy
living off peasant work. Fine, stops a few exploiting the many, but a lot
finer if he'd found a way to make the peasants into aristos instead of
reducing the whole country to wage slavery for its own sake.
Caesariensis



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