G. Equitius Cato Gn. Salvio Asturi omnes Hispanisquae S.P.D.

Salve et salvete!

Felicitations on your National Day! It's always great to see Italians
being commemorated in other countries! :-D

Salvius Astur and I (and a few others) had a rousing "discussion" in
Rome about whether Christopher Columbus was Italian or Spanish. I
don't remember what was decided in the end, although I'm sure the
free-flowing wine had no impact whatsoever...

Vale et valete,

Cato

Salvete, Quirites; salvete Cato, Sabineque!

I just looked the photos on the Dacian website: these
are wonderful! Thank you Propraetor!

And my best wishes to Sabinus and Cato who took a walk
in the Forum Romanum in their TOGA! It's exactly my
own dream! I was always wanting to walk in the Forum
Romanum wearing my toga. I have been at 4 times in
Rome and in the Forum too -- but never had the
opportunity to bring with me my toga. The photo when
Cato and Sabinus are in front of the Curia Iulia is
amazing! The New Romans -- in the Heart of the Old
Rome: times interweave...!

Thank you again, and I hope in the next time I also
will walk there as "togatus" with you together!

Valete!
CN. LENTVLVS PROPR


--- Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> ha
scritto:


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SALVETE !

In fact, here are 264 photos from Conventus. That it
need a good
conection to the internet.

http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Roma2005.htm

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Thank you.
Ok. Next year in Britannia. Many greetings to your family and to little Marcus.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS


Caius Curius Saturninus <c.curius@...> wrote:
Salve Sabine,

Wonderful photos! I wish we would been able to come there too... :-(

But next year in Britannia! I hope to meet Dacians and everyone else
there! :-)

Vale,

On 12.10.2005, at 13:38, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:41:02 -0000
> From: "Titus Iulius Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
> Subject: Some photos
>
> SALVETE !
>
> In fact, here are 264 photos from Conventus. That it need a good
> conection to the internet.
>
> http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Roma2005.htm
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS


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Salve Romans

From time to time citizens who post to the main list complain that it is to heavy on Nova Roman politics and/or government affairs. We have a number of lists outside the main list dedicated to a wide variety of topics and subjects . Of of these is the Sodalitas Musarum which you may not know
endeavors to develop and serve the cultural and artistic life of Nova Roma.
The Sodalitas Musarum is composed of ten Collegia as follows, each of which shall be named after and be under the patronage of the appropriate Muse or Apollo.

I. Calliope (Epic Poetry)
II. Clius (History and Social Science)
III. Euterpe (Music)
IV. Melpomene (Tragedy)
V. Terpsichore (Dance)
VI. Erato (Lyric Poetry)
VII. Polyhymnia (Sacred Song and Verse)
VIII. Urania (Astronomy and Natural Science)
IX. Thalia (Comedy)
X. Apollo (Graphic and Plastic Arts, and Architecture

While I would encourage you to join each and every one of these I would like to extent to you an invitation to join the Collegium Clius and our new list. We in the Collegium Clius are interested in history and social science. You can go here to join the list.

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Vale

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Salvete omnes,

I was wonder which Republic ours is based off of? The "original" republic or the Republic of Sulla's design? Also, do you believe Sulla helped prolong the Republic or just speed up its eventual demise?

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Salve Diana!

Good to hear from you again! Yep, I was in a talkative mood
yesterday. All in all I like women who have a good head on their
shoulder and especially a sense of humor.

All the best for your future dates with men. Whoever you end up with
will certainly never be bored or lack good laughs with your humor!
I still quote you on your comment last year about being a "Who" girl
years ago and people still burst out laughing!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




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> Salve Paulinus,
>
> > He observed me on a few dates and
> > pointed out my biggest flaw was talking too much
> > about history, current affairs, art and all.
>
> You chatterbox ! ha ha ha !
>
> <What quite a few women want to hear on the first date
> <is all about themselves - no more, he said.
>
> LOL! Talking about himself was probably HIS favorite
> subject...
>
> There are plenty of women who appreciate an
> intelligent man, especially one who has a sense of
> humour on top of it! And hopefully there are still men
> out there who appreciate a half-intelligent woman. At
> the moment, I'm single and while on a date, I told a
> guy that I liked to read. He looked at me like a had a
> second head protruding from my shoulders and said
> blandly 'oh, that's nice'. The 'relationship' lasted
> about 5 minutes longer :-)
>
> Vale,
> Diana
>
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> > humour on top of it! And hopefully there are still men
> > out there who appreciate a half-intelligent woman. At

What have you done with all the fully intelligent ones ... Livia,or is it
Lucrezia?



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> > humour on top of it! And hopefully there are still men
> > out there who appreciate a half-intelligent woman. At

What have you done with all the fully intelligent ones ... Livia,or
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In a message dated 10/12/2005 7:49:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
octaviusverus@... writes:
the Republic of Sulla's design? Also, do you believe Sulla helped prolong the
Republic or just speed up its eventual demise?
Well, a look at our offices seems to be its Sulla's in transition. It is
defiantly flavored later republic, based on what transpires here.

Sulla allowed Iulius Caesar to come to power and complete its destruction,
but I believe the seed of the republic's demise can be laid at the feet of Gaius
Marius. Interestingly, Polybios predicted the raise of someone like Marius
and the end of the Roman
Republic 200 years before.

The question would be could the Roman army have stopped the German invasion
without Marius help?
I believe yes. They still had to cross the Alps, and even in summer, they
would take
losses from skirmishing Roman and Socii troops. (The Oscans would have been
especially effective.) Do not forget the Celt-Iberians and Hispanics had
repulsed
their advance into Spain several years before. Even if they got over, they
would have to face two consular armies with no place to retreat which would
have meant their extinction.
Perhaps their defeats in Gaul were the best possible result for this German
confederation.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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One could twist it into possessiveness: who wants to play second fiddle to
a mirror? :)

> I have no doubts at all: I prefer fully intelligent women, even if they
> are not breathtaking or ravishing beauties...
>

"I feel persuaded, Wire, that it must be a true religion, for if it had not a
divine and vital principle in it, it never could have survived the crimes that
have been committed in its name" - R.R. Madden on Roman Catholicism



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Eheu Sabine;
I'm shedding tears not to have been there. How fabulous are your
pics, especially Livia, Serapio, Astur, Laureate, your son and
wonderful Cato and you togate....
yes, Saturnine, next year Britannia! in Latine too;-)
optime vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

>

Salve Sabine,

>
> Wonderful photos! I wish we would been able to come there too... :-

(

>
> But next year in Britannia! I hope to meet Dacians and everyone

else

> there! :-)
>
> Vale,
>
>
> On 12.10.2005, at 13:38, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:41:02 -0000
> > From: "Titus Iulius Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@y...>
> > Subject: Some photos
> >
> > SALVETE !
> >
> > In fact, here are 264 photos from Conventus. That it need a good
> > conection to the internet.
> >
> > http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Roma2005.htm
> >
> > VALETE,
> > IVL SABINVS
>
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
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Salve,

Since the characters Lucius Varenus and Titus Pullo actually existed I did
a search on the Ancient Library site and Pullo showed up! Here what it
said about Titus Pullo:

T. PU'LFIO, a centurion in Caesar's army in Gaul, distinguished himself,
along with L. Varenus, by a daring act of bravery, when the camp of Q.
Cicero was besieged by the Nervii in b. c. 54. In the civil war he
deserted his old commander, be­trayed the army of C. Antonius, one of
Caesar's legates, and fought on the side of the Pompeians. (Caes. B. G. v.
44, B. C. iii. 67.)

HBO of course has him on Ceasars side.

Quintus Servilius Priscus

Salvete omnes:

This is to officially announce the opening of my online store, Harpax

www.harpax.biz

We are proud to be your source for Nova Roma related goods. 10% of all sales goes to the central treasury of our republic.

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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem III Idus Octobris; haec dies comitialis est.

"After arranging the watches, he ordered the tessera to be given to
the rest of the troops; when the bugle sounded for the second watch
they were to muster round him in silence. When they had assembled in
accordance with instructions, he said: 'This silence, soldiers, must
be maintained, and all applause as you listen to me checked. When I
have laid my proposals fully before you, those of you who approve will
cross over silently to the right. The opinion of the majority will be
adopted. Now listen to my plans. You were not carried here in flight,
nor have you been abandoned through cowardice, and the enemy are
investing you. You seized this position by your courage, by your
courage you must get away from it. By coming here you have saved a
splendid army for Rome, now you must save yourselves by cutting your
way out. Though few in number you have brought aid to many, and it is
only fitting to your deserts that you yourselves should need the aid
of none. We have to do with an enemy who through his slackness
yesterday failed to use the chance which Fortune gave him of wiping
out an entire army; who did not perceive this most useful peak hanging
over his head until it had been seized by us. With all their thousands
of men they did not prevent us, few as we are, from climbing it, and
now that we are holding it, did they, though plenty of daylight
remained, enclose us with lines of circumvallation? The enemy whom you
eluded while his eyes were open, and he was on the watch, you
certainly ought to evade when he is heavy with sleep. In fact, it is
absolutely necessary for you to do so, for our position is such that I
have rather to point out the necessity in which you are placed than to
suggest any plan of action. For there can be no question as to your
remaining here or departing, since Fortune has left you nothing but
your arms and the courage which knows how to use them. If we show more
fear of the sword than becomes men and Romans we shall have to die of
hunger and thirst. Our one chance of safety, then, lies in our
breaking our way through and departing. We must do that either in the
daytime or at night. But this is a point which admits of little doubt;
if we wait for daylight how can we hope that the enemy, who, as you
see, has drawn a ring of men all round us, will not completely enclose
us with entrenchments? On the other hand, if night be best for our
sortie, as it most certainly is, then this hour of the night is most
assuredly the fittest. You have mustered at the call for the second
watch, an hour when men are buried in sleep. You will pass through
them in silence, unnoticed by the sleepers, but should they become
aware of your presence you will throw them into a panic by a sudden
shout. You have followed me so far, follow me still, while I follow
Fortune who has guided us here. Those of you who think this a safe
plan step forward and pass over to the right.' " - Livy, History of
Rome 7.35


"O Bandusian spring, clearer than glass, worthy of sweet wine and
flowers too, tomorrow you'll receive the gift of a kid goat, whose
head, swollen with horns newly grown, gives promise of love and
battles; in vain: for this offspring of a playful flock will stain
your ice-cold waters with his crimson blood. The harsh season of the
blazing Dog Star is powerless to affect you. You grant welcome
coolness to oxen weary of the plow and to the wandering herd. You too
will become one of the famous springs, when I sing of the oak tree
perched upon your hollow rocks, whence your babbling waters leap
forth." - Horace, Odes 3.13

"Fontanalia a Fonte, quod is dies feriae eius; ab eo tum et in fontes
coronas iaciunt et puteos coronant." - Varro, de Lingua Latina VI

Today is the celebration of the Fontanalia. The Fontinalia is a
festival in honor of Fontus, the god of fountains, springs, and wells.
Fontus was the presumed son of Janus by the nyph Juturna. From this
God's name and the Latin word font or fons we derive the names of
fountain, the baptismal font and the fonts, or typefaces, that we use
most days. The freshwater goddesses, the Camenae, oracular
water-nymphs, were honoured today as well. Today saw sacrifices,
feasts, games, and the drinking of wine mixed with spring water.
Garlands were used to decorate wells and springs today. Sacrificing,
feasting, games, and drinking plenty of wine mixed with spring water
would have been the theme of the day. On this day garlands of flowers
were spread in decoration, especially around wells and springs.


On this day in A.D. 1307, the Knights Templar began their precipitous
collapse. The fall of the Templars may have started over the matter
of a loan. Philip IV, King of France needed cash for his wars and
asked the Templars for money, who refused. The King tried to get the
Pope to excommunicate the Templars for this but Pope Boniface VIII
refused. Philip sent his right-hand man, Guillaume de Nogaret, to
"persuade" the Pope, who later died from the wounds inflicted by de
Nogaret. The next Pope, Benedict XI, lifted the excommunication of
Philip IV but refused to absolve de Nogaret. (Rumor has it that the
Pope died of poison soon after.) The next Pope, Clement V, agreed to
Philip IV's demands about the Templars, lifted the excommunications,
and later moved the papacy to Avignon.

On October 13, 1307, what may have been all the Knights Templar in
France were simultaneously arrested by agents of Philip the Fair, to
later be tortured into admitting heresy in the Order. The dominant
view is that Philip, who seized the treasury and broke up the monastic
banking system, was jealous of the Templars' wealth and power, and
sought to control it for himself.

These events, and the Templars' original banking of assets for
suddenly mobile depositors, were two of many shifts towards a system
of military fiat to back European money, removing this power from
Church orders. Seeing the fate of the Templars, the Hospitallers of St
John of Jerusalem and of Rhodes and of Malta were also convinced to
give up banking at this time. Much of the Templar property outside of
France was transferred by the Pope to the Knights Hospitaller, and
many surviving Templars were also accepted into the Hospitallers.

Many kings and nobles supported the Knights at that time, and only
dissolved the order in their fiefs when so commanded by Pope Clement
V. Robert the Bruce, the King of Scots, had already been
excommunicated for other reasons, and was therefore not disposed to
pay heed to Papal commands. In Portugal the order's name was changed
to the Order of Christ, and was believed to have contributed to the
first naval discoveries of the Portuguese. Prince Henry the Navigator
led the Portuguese order for 20 years until the time of his death. In
Spain, where the king of Aragon was also against giving the heritage
of the Templars to Hospitallers (as commanded by Clement V), the Order
of Montesa took Templar assets. Debate continues as to whether the
accusation of religious heresy had merit by the standards of the time.
Under torture, some Templars admitted to homosexual acts, and to the
worship of heads and a mystery known as Baphomet. Their leaders later
denied these admissions, and for that were executed. Some scholars
discount these as forced admissions, typical during the Inquisition.
Others argue that these accusations were in reality due to a
misunderstanding of arcane rituals held behind closed doors which had
their origins in the Crusaders' bitter struggle against the Saracens.
These included "denying Christ and spitting on the Cross three times,
as well as kissing other men's behinds."

According to some scholars, and recently recovered Vatican documents,
these acts were intended to simulate the kind of humiliation and
torture that a Crusader might be subjected to if captured by the
Saracens. According to this line of reasoning, they were taught how to
commit apostasy with the mind only and not with the heart. As for the
accusations of head-worship and Templars trying to syncretize
Christianity with Islam, some scholars argue that the former referred
to rituals involving the alleged relics of Saint Euphemia, one of
Saint Ursula's eleven maidens, Hughes de Payens, and John the Baptist
rather than pagan idols. The latter they ascribe to the chaplains
creating the term Baphomet through the Atbash cipher to mystify the
term Sophia (Greek for "wisdom"), which was equated with the Logos
(Greek for "Word"). This is a controversial interpretation, and is
partly based on conjecture.

Conspiracy theories related to the suppression of the Knights Templar
often go far beyond the suggested motive of seizing property and
consolidating geopolitical power. It is the Catholic Church's position
that the persecution was unjust, that there was nothing wrong with the
Templars, and that the Pope at the time was manipulated into
suppressing them. In 2001, Dr. Barbara Frale found the Chinon
Parchment in the Vatican Secret Archives, a document that shows that
Pope Clement V secretly pardoned the Knights Templar in 1314.

As he burned at the stake, Jacques de Molay, Grand Master of the
Knights Templar, cursed King Philip and Pope Clement V to meet eternal
justice within the year. Pope Clement V died only one month later and
Philip IV seven months after that. Commentators were extremely pleased
with such a development and often featured this story in their
chronicles).



Valete bene!

Cato


SOURCES

Livy (http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/Liv2His.html),
Fontanalia (http://www.amazonworlds.com/index/calender_october.htm)
and (http://www.schooloftheseasons.com/octdays1.html), Knights Templar
(http://www.crystalinks.com/templars1.html)

A. Apollonius Cn. Lentulo omnibusque sal.

Ah, clearly you have the advantage of me concerning
imperial nomenclature! Your explanation makes a lot of
sense - many thanks.

As to your question about whether the same practice
was used during the republic: it was not. In
republican times, *all* a man's sons took his
cognomen. The only difference in their names would be
in the praenomen. The eldest son would take his
father's praenomen, and thus his name would be
identical to his father's.

There were very rare instances in the republic when
the -ianus ending was used to preserve the mother's
name. M. Porcius Cato censorius had two wives: the
first was Licinia, and by her he had a son, M. Porcius
Cato. When she died, he married Salonia, and they had
a son. This second son was also, of course, the eldest
son of that marriage, so Cato - being a traditionalist
- gave this son his own praenomen also. So now Cato
had two sons, both called M. Porcius Cato. To avoid
confusion, they became known as M. Porcius Cato
Licinianus and M. Porcius Cato Salonianus.

However, this is (as far as I know) the only example
of this particular thing form the republic, and you
can see that it only happened in a case which was very
unlikely to occur often. Normally the -ianus ending
indicated adoption at that time.

It might also happen that the ending -ianus would be
attached to the name of a town or region to produce a
geographical cognomen, such as "Valentianus" meaning
"man from Valentia".





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A. Apollonius Sex. Octavio sal.

> I was wonder which Republic ours is based off of?
> The "original" republic or the Republic of Sulla's
> design?

I think it's too strong to say that Sulla's reforms
produced a new republic. They were very extensive
constitutional reforms, certainly, but the republic
remain recognizable as the same one which had existed
before. The difference between the republic before and
after Sulla is much less significant than between the
republic before Augustus and the principate after it -
the latter change really did create a new state, in my
opinion.

But it's fair to ask what period in the evolution of
the republica constitution we use as a model. I think
the answer is that our constitution is not based on
any single period. A lot of the historical evidence
comes from the late republic, particularly after
Sulla's reforms, so in some ways we have a natural
bias toward copying the late period. But it's more
complicated than that: in practice we take things from
different periods, and even introduce some completely
new elements.

Notice that very few of Sulla's most important reforms
are found in our constitution. He removed the
legislative power of the tribunes - but our tribunes
have this power. He doubled the maximum size of the
senate, to 600 - our senate currently has no fixed
size, but the most recent proposals for setting a
limit have adopted the pre-Sullan number of 300
senatores. He made it possible to become a senator by
being quaestor - in our republic one must be aedile at
least, or else a provincial governor. He made the
cursus honorum more rigid - our cursus is still
relatively flexible. He created various standing
criminal courts - our current criminal judicial system
uses some elements of his system, but also includes
elements from pre-Sullan and post-Sullan systems.



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My personal opinion is that Sulla was alot like Marius
in that he did was best for Sulla. His treatment of
the Tribunate and family members was nasty at best.
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> Salvete omnes,
>
> I was wonder which Republic ours is based off of?

The "original" republic or the Republic of Sulla's
design? Also, do you believe Sulla helped prolong the
Republic or just speed up its eventual demise?

>
> Valete,
> S. Octavius Verus
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I absolutely agree. To me a woman that is NOT
mainstream, and can hold a conversation on things
ancient is to be held on to. Listens to Goth music? A
KEEPER!
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<marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:

> I have no doubts at all: I prefer fully intelligent

women, even if they

> are not breathtaking or ravishing beauties...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: me-in-@...
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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Salve S. Octavius Verus

"believe Sulla helped prolong the Republic or just speed up its eventual demise?"

He helped kill the old girl.

Sulla brought his troop into Rome to control it for his own political uses. After Sulla it was hard not too.

The Romans inability to compromise during the last 100 or so years of the Republic was also a major reason for its demise.
For the most part the Optimates believed in government our way or no way.

Every Republican should remember what was written about Sulla by Appian


Appian, The Civil Wars (ed. Horace White)

95] After accomplishing these deeds throughout Italy by war, fire, and murder, Sulla's generals visited the several cities and established garrisons at the suspected places. Pompey was dispatched to Africa against Carbo and to Sicily against Carbo's friends who had taken refuge there. Sulla himself called the Roman people together in an assembly and made them a speech vaunting his own exploits and making other menacing statements in order to inspire terror. He finished by saying that he would bring about a change which would be beneficial to the public if they would obey him. He would not spare one of his enemies, but would visit them with the utmost severity. He would take vengeance by every means in his power on all prætors, quæstors, military tribunes, and everybody else who had committed any hostile act after the day when the consul Scipio violated the agreement made with him. After saying this he forthwith proscribed about forty senators and 1600 knights. 1 He seems to have been the first one to punish by proscription, to offer prizes to assassins and rewards wards to informers, and to threaten with punishment those who should conceal the proscribed. Shortly afterward he added the names of other senators to the proscription. Some of these, taken unawares, were killed where they were caught, in their houses, in the streets, or in the temples. Others were picked up, carried to Sulla, and thrown down at his feet. Others were dragged through the city and trampled on, none of the spectators daring to utter a word of remonstrance against these horrors. Banishment was inflicted upon some and confiscation upon others. Spies were searching everywhere for those who had fled from the city, and those whom they caught they killed.

[96] There was much killing, banishment, and confiscation also among those Italians who had obeyed Carbo, or Marius, or Norbanus, or their lieutenants. Severe judgments of the courts were rendered against them throughout all Italy on various charges--for exercising military command, for serving in the army, for contributing money, for rendering other service, or even giving counsel against Sulla. Hospitality, private friendship, the borrowing or lending of money, were alike accounted crimes. Now and then one would be arrested for doing a kindness to a suspect, or merely for being his companion on a journey. These accusations abounded mostly against the rich. When charges against individuals failed Sulla took vengeance on whole communities. He punished some of them by demolishing their citadels, or destroying their walls, or by imposing heavy fines and contributions on them. Among most of them he placed colonies of his troops in order to hold Italy under garrisons, sequestrating their lands and houses and dividing them among his soldiers, whom he thus made true to him during his life and even after his death. As they could not be secure in their own holdings unless all of Sulla's affairs were on a firm foundation, they were his stoutest champions even after he was deceased. While the affairs of Italy were in this state, Pompey sent a force and captured Carbo, who had fled with many persons of distinction from Africa to Sicily and thence to the island of Cossyra. He ordered his officers to kill all of the others without bringing them into his presence; but Carbo, who had been thrice consul, he caused to be brought before his feet in chains, and after making a public harangue at him, killed him and sent his head to Sulla.

"The dictator Sulla dedicates this to thee, Venus, because in a dream he saw thee in panoply setting the army in order of battle and fighting with the weapons of Mars." 5
[98] Thus Sulla became king, or tyrant, de facto, not elected, but holding power by force and violence. As, however, he needed some pretence of being elected it was managed in this way. The kings of the Romans in the olden time were chosen for their bravery, and when one of them died the senators held the royal power in succession for five days each, until the people could decide who should be the new king. This five-day ruler was called the Interrex, which means king for the time being. The retiring consuls always presided over the election of their successors in office, and if there chanced to be no consul at such a time an Interrex was appointed for the purpose of holding the consular comitia. Sulla took advantage of this custom. There were no consuls at this time, Carbo having lost his life in Sicily and Marius in Præneste. So Sulla went out of the city for a time and ordered the Senate to choose an Interrex. They chose Valerius Flaccus, expecting that he would soon hold the consular comitia. But Sulla wrote to Flaccus to bring before the people the proposition that he (Sulla) considered it advisable, under present circumstances, that the city should be governed by a dictator according to a custom that had been abandoned 400 years. 6 He told them not to appoint the dictator for any definite time, but until the city and Italy and the whole government, so shaken by factions and wars, should be put upon a firm foundation. That this proposal referred to Sulla himself was not at all doubtful. Sulla made no concealment of it. At the conclusion of the letter he declared openly that, in his judgment, he could be serviceable to the city in that capacity.

[99] Such was Sulla's letter. The Romans were unwilling, but they had no more opportunities for elections according to law, and they considered that this matter was not altogether in their own power. So, in the absence of everything else, they welcomed this pretence of an election as an image and semblance of freedom and chose Sulla their absolute master for as long a time as he pleased. There had been autocratic rule of the dictators before, but it was limited to short periods. But in Sulla's time it first became unlimited and so an absolute tyranny; yet they added, for propriety's sake, that they chose him dictator for the enactment of such laws as he might deem best and for the regulation of the commonwealth. Thus the Romans, after having government by kings for sixty Olympiads, and a democracy, under consuls chosen yearly, for 100 Olympiads, resorted to kingly government again. This was in the 175th Olympiad according to the Greek calendar, but there were no Olympic games then except races in the stadium, since Sulla had carried away the athletes and all the sights and shows to Rome to celebrate his victories in the Mithridatic and Italian wars, under the pretext that the masses needed a breathing-spell and recreation after their toils.

[100] Nevertheless, as the form of the republic remained


TGP The FORM not the substance remained

Vale

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Im already working on my physigue sos I cansweep a
Nova Roman lady off her feet. Ill be there! Diana, you
still available? I like to read a tad too.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <rory12001@...>
wrote:

> Eheu Sabine;
> I'm shedding tears not to have been there. How

fabulous are your

> pics, especially Livia, Serapio, Astur, Laureate,

your son and

> wonderful Cato and you togate....
> yes, Saturnine, next year Britannia! in Latine

too;-)

> optime vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
> >
>
> Salve Sabine,
> >
> > Wonderful photos! I wish we would been able to

come there too... :-

> (
> >
> > But next year in Britannia! I hope to meet Dacians

and everyone

> else
> > there! :-)
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> >
> > On 12.10.2005, at 13:38, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

wrote:

> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:41:02 -0000
> > > From: "Titus Iulius Sabinus"

<iulius_sabinus@y...>

> > > Subject: Some photos
> > >
> > > SALVETE !
> > >
> > > In fact, here are 264 photos from Conventus.

That it need a good

> > > conection to the internet.
> > >
> > > http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Roma2005.htm
> > >
> > > VALETE,
> > > IVL SABINVS
> >
> >
> > Caius Curius Saturninus
> >
> > Tribunus Plebis
> > Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> > Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana

Antiqua et Nova

> >
> > e-mail: c.curius@a...
> > www.academiathules.org
> > gsm: +358-50-3315279
> > fax: +358-9-8754751
> >
>
>
>
>

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On the other hand, even if she's spouting the most banal gossip providing
it's in Latin about Catullus, she's either well into genius level or in a time
warp! :)

> I absolutely agree. To me a woman that is NOT
> mainstream, and can hold a conversation on things
> ancient is to be held on to. Listens to Goth music? A
> KEEPER!
> --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
> > I have no doubts at all: I prefer fully intelligent
> women, even if they
> > are not breathtaking or ravishing beauties...
> >

"I feel persuaded, Wire, that it must be a true religion, for if it had not a
divine and vital principle in it, it never could have survived the crimes that
have been committed in its name" - R.R. Madden on Roman Catholicism



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As the saying goes- theres a thin line seperating
genius & insanity...OR is it Hes so smart that hes
crazy! LOL
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <me-in-@...>
wrote:

> On the other hand, even if she's spouting the

most banal gossip providing

> it's in Latin about Catullus, she's either well into

genius level or in a time

> warp! :)
>
>
>
> > I absolutely agree. To me a woman that is NOT
> > mainstream, and can hold a conversation on things
> > ancient is to be held on to. Listens to Goth

music? A

> > KEEPER!
> > --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > wrote:
> > > I have no doubts at all: I prefer fully

intelligent

> > women, even if they
> > > are not breathtaking or ravishing beauties...
> > >
>
>
>
> "I feel persuaded, Wire, that it must be a true

religion, for if it had not a

> divine and vital principle in it, it never could

have survived the crimes that

> have been committed in its name" - R.R. Madden on

Roman Catholicism

>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>

S P Q R

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Salvete,

L

Hesterno, Licini, die otiosi
multum lusimus in meis tabellis,
ut conuenerat esse delicatos.
scribens uersiculos uterque nostrom
ludebat numero modo hoc modo illoc,
reddens mutua per iocum atque uinum.
atque illinc abii tuo lepore
incensus, Licini, facetieisque,
ut nec me miserum cibis iuuaret,
nec somnus tegeret quiete ocellos,
sed toto indomitus furore lecto
uersarer, cupiens iudere lucem,
ut tecum loquerer, simulque ut essem.
at defessa labore membra postquam
semimortua lectulo iacebant,
hoc, iucunde, tibi poema feci,
ex quo perspiceres meum dolorem.
nunc audax caue sis, precesque nostras,
oramus, caue despuas, ocelle,
ne poenas Nemesis reposcat a te.
est uehemens dea: laedere hanc caueto.
--Catullus

Valete,
Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana

me-in-@... wrote:
On the other hand, even if she's spouting the most banal gossip providing
it's in Latin about Catullus, she's either well into genius level or in a time
warp! :)

> I absolutely agree. To me a woman that is NOT
> mainstream, and can hold a conversation on things
> ancient is to be held on to. Listens to Goth music? A
> KEEPER!
> --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
> > I have no doubts at all: I prefer fully intelligent
> women, even if they
> > are not breathtaking or ravishing beauties...
> >

"I feel persuaded, Wire, that it must be a true religion, for if it had not a
divine and vital principle in it, it never could have survived the crimes that
have been committed in its name" - R.R. Madden on Roman Catholicism



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And where have u been hiding?
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <metelliana@...>
wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> L
>
> Hesterno, Licini, die otiosi
> multum lusimus in meis tabellis,
> ut conuenerat esse delicatos.
> scribens uersiculos uterque nostrom
> ludebat numero modo hoc modo illoc,
> reddens mutua per iocum atque uinum.
> atque illinc abii tuo lepore
> incensus, Licini, facetieisque,
> ut nec me miserum cibis iuuaret,
> nec somnus tegeret quiete ocellos,
> sed toto indomitus furore lecto
> uersarer, cupiens iudere lucem,
> ut tecum loquerer, simulque ut essem.
> at defessa labore membra postquam
> semimortua lectulo iacebant,
> hoc, iucunde, tibi poema feci,
> ex quo perspiceres meum dolorem.
> nunc audax caue sis, precesque nostras,
> oramus, caue despuas, ocelle,
> ne poenas Nemesis reposcat a te.
> est uehemens dea: laedere hanc caueto.
> --Catullus
>
> Valete,
> Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana
>
> me-in-@... wrote:
> On the other hand, even if she's spouting the

most banal gossip providing

> it's in Latin about Catullus, she's either well into

genius level or in a time

> warp! :)
>
>
>
> > I absolutely agree. To me a woman that is NOT
> > mainstream, and can hold a conversation on things
> > ancient is to be held on to. Listens to Goth

music? A

> > KEEPER!
> > --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > wrote:
> > > I have no doubts at all: I prefer fully

intelligent

> > women, even if they
> > > are not breathtaking or ravishing beauties...
> > >
>
>
>
> "I feel persuaded, Wire, that it must be a true

religion, for if it had not a

> divine and vital principle in it, it never could

have survived the crimes that

> have been committed in its name" - R.R. Madden on

Roman Catholicism

>
>
>
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Mea Culpa. Bad, BAD spell check!
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
<praefectus2324@...> wrote:

> Im already working on my physigue sos I cansweep a
> Nova Roman lady off her feet. Ill be there! Diana,

you

> still available? I like to read a tad too.
> --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <rory12001@...>
> wrote:
> > Eheu Sabine;
> > I'm shedding tears not to have been there. How
> fabulous are your
> > pics, especially Livia, Serapio, Astur, Laureate,
> your son and
> > wonderful Cato and you togate....
> > yes, Saturnine, next year Britannia! in Latine
> too;-)
> > optime vale
> > Marca Hortensia Maior
> > >
> >
> > Salve Sabine,
> > >
> > > Wonderful photos! I wish we would been able to
> come there too... :-
> > (
> > >
> > > But next year in Britannia! I hope to meet

Dacians

> and everyone
> > else
> > > there! :-)
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12.10.2005, at 13:38,

Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

> wrote:
> > > > Message: 7
> > > > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:41:02 -0000
> > > > From: "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
> <iulius_sabinus@y...>
> > > > Subject: Some photos
> > > >
> > > > SALVETE !
> > > >
> > > > In fact, here are 264 photos from Conventus.
> That it need a good
> > > > conection to the internet.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Roma2005.htm
> > > >
> > > > VALETE,
> > > > IVL SABINVS
> > >
> > >
> > > Caius Curius Saturninus
> > >
> > > Tribunus Plebis
> > > Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> > > Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana
> Antiqua et Nova
> > >
> > > e-mail: c.curius@a...
> > > www.academiathules.org
> > > gsm: +358-50-3315279
> > > fax: +358-9-8754751
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> S P Q R
>
> Fidelis Ad Mortem.
>
> Marcvs Flavivs Fides
> Roman Citizen
>
>
>
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>

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Uh.....in a time warp. It's just a jump to the left...

Servia Iulia

raymond fuentes <praefectus2324@...> wrote:
And where have u been hiding?
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <metelliana@...>
wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> L
>
> Hesterno, Licini, die otiosi
> multum lusimus in meis tabellis,
> ut conuenerat esse delicatos.
> scribens uersiculos uterque nostrom
> ludebat numero modo hoc modo illoc,
> reddens mutua per iocum atque uinum.
> atque illinc abii tuo lepore
> incensus, Licini, facetieisque,
> ut nec me miserum cibis iuuaret,
> nec somnus tegeret quiete ocellos,
> sed toto indomitus furore lecto
> uersarer, cupiens iudere lucem,
> ut tecum loquerer, simulque ut essem.
> at defessa labore membra postquam
> semimortua lectulo iacebant,
> hoc, iucunde, tibi poema feci,
> ex quo perspiceres meum dolorem.
> nunc audax caue sis, precesque nostras,
> oramus, caue despuas, ocelle,
> ne poenas Nemesis reposcat a te.
> est uehemens dea: laedere hanc caueto.
> --Catullus
>
> Valete,
> Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana
>
> me-in-@... wrote:
> On the other hand, even if she's spouting the

most banal gossip providing

> it's in Latin about Catullus, she's either well into

genius level or in a time

> warp! :)
>
>
>
> > I absolutely agree. To me a woman that is NOT
> > mainstream, and can hold a conversation on things
> > ancient is to be held on to. Listens to Goth

music? A

> > KEEPER!
> > --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > wrote:
> > > I have no doubts at all: I prefer fully

intelligent

> > women, even if they
> > > are not breathtaking or ravishing beauties...
> > >
>
>
>
> "I feel persuaded, Wire, that it must be a true

religion, for if it had not a

> divine and vital principle in it, it never could

have survived the crimes that

> have been committed in its name" - R.R. Madden on

Roman Catholicism

>
>
>
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Im more to the right...contact me off list. Besides
MORPHINE, Im curious to what kind of music motivates
you. my # is 646-246-4906 give me a call.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <metelliana@...>
wrote:

> Uh.....in a time warp. It's just a jump to the

left...

>
> Servia Iulia
>
> raymond fuentes <praefectus2324@...> wrote:
> And where have u been hiding?
> --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <metelliana@...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > L
> >
> > Hesterno, Licini, die otiosi
> > multum lusimus in meis tabellis,
> > ut conuenerat esse delicatos.
> > scribens uersiculos uterque nostrom
> > ludebat numero modo hoc modo illoc,
> > reddens mutua per iocum atque uinum.
> > atque illinc abii tuo lepore
> > incensus, Licini, facetieisque,
> > ut nec me miserum cibis iuuaret,
> > nec somnus tegeret quiete ocellos,
> > sed toto indomitus furore lecto
> > uersarer, cupiens iudere lucem,
> > ut tecum loquerer, simulque ut essem.
> > at defessa labore membra postquam
> > semimortua lectulo iacebant,
> > hoc, iucunde, tibi poema feci,
> > ex quo perspiceres meum dolorem.
> > nunc audax caue sis, precesque nostras,
> > oramus, caue despuas, ocelle,
> > ne poenas Nemesis reposcat a te.
> > est uehemens dea: laedere hanc caueto.
> > --Catullus
> >
> > Valete,
> > Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana
> >
> > me-in-@... wrote:
> > On the other hand, even if she's spouting the
> most banal gossip providing
> > it's in Latin about Catullus, she's either well

into

> genius level or in a time
> > warp! :)
> >
> >
> >
> > > I absolutely agree. To me a woman that is NOT
> > > mainstream, and can hold a conversation on

things

> > > ancient is to be held on to. Listens to Goth
> music? A
> > > KEEPER!
> > > --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > wrote:
> > > > I have no doubts at all: I prefer fully
> intelligent
> > > women, even if they
> > > > are not breathtaking or ravishing beauties...
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > "I feel persuaded, Wire, that it must be a true
> religion, for if it had not a
> > divine and vital principle in it, it never could
> have survived the crimes that
> > have been committed in its name" - R.R. Madden on
> Roman Catholicism
> >
> >
> >
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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est pridie Idus Octobris; haec dies endotercisus est.

"All crossed over. They then followed Decius as he moved through the
intervals between the pickets. They had already got as far as the
center of the Samnite lines when a soldier striding over the bodies of
the sleeping sentinels made a noise by striking his shield against one
of them. The sentinel awakened by the sound shook the one next him;
they both jumped up and aroused others, not knowing whether friends or
foes were amongst them, whether it was Decius' force breaking out or
the consul capturing the camp. As they were no longer unobserved,
Decius ordered his men to raise a shout, which paralysed the
half-awakened sleepers with terror. In their confusion they were
unable to seize their arms promptly and could neither offer any
resistance nor follow up their assailants. While the Samnites were in
this state of confusion and panic, the Romans, cutting down all who
opposed them, made their way in the direction of the consul's camp. A
considerable portion of the night still remained and they were
evidently now in safety. Decius addressed them: "All honour to you,
brave Romans! your march up that height and your return will be
extolled in every age. But for the due recognition of such courage the
light of day is needed; you have deserved something more than to carry
your glory back to camp hidden in the silence of the night. We will
rest here and wait for the daylight." They rested accordingly. As soon
as it was light and the news was sent on to the consul in camp, there
was great excitement and rejoicing, and when it was officially
announced throughout the camp that the men who saved the army at the
risk of their own lives had themselves returned safe and sound, they
all poured out in crowds to meet them, showered congratulations upon
them, gave thanks and praise to the gods, and extolled Decius to the
skies. He marched through the camp in what amounted to a triumphal
procession with his small force fully armed. Every eye was fixed upon
him; the military tribune was treated with as much distinction as if
he had been a consul. When he reached the headquarters' tent, the
consul ordered the Assembly to be sounded. He was beginning to give
Decius the praise he had so well earned, before the whole army, when
Decius interrupted him and begged him to postpone those proceedings in
view of the splendid opportunity which they now had in their hands. He
accordingly dismissed the parade and followed Decius' advice, which
was to attack the enemy before they had recovered from their nocturnal
panic and were still stationed round the height in separate
detachments; some who had been sent in pursuit were believed to be
still defiling through the pass. The legions were ordered to arm for
battle and were conducted by a more open route towards the enemy, as
scouting parties had brought back fuller information about the
locality. The attack was sudden and unexpected; the Samnites were
everywhere in scattered bodies, most of them without arms, unable to
secure their weapons or get into any compact formation or retire
within their entrenchments. They were first driven in panic into their
camp, then the camp itself was rushed and captured. The shouting
rolled round the height and the detachments who had been posted to
watch it fled from a foe whom they had not yet seen. Those who had
fled panic-struck into their camp-some 30,000-were all slain." - Livy,
History of Rome 7.35


In the Norse countries, today was celebrated as Vinternatsblot, or
Winter's Day. The longboats were stored and preparations began to
deal with the coming winter season.

"The images of the gods were placed in a half-circle in the shrine. At
the center stood the altar (stallr), upon which lay a large gold ring
(baugr), upon which all solemn oaths were sworn. The bowl containing
the blood of the sacrificed animals (hlautbolli) was placed on the
altar by the priest (gothi), who, with a stick (hlautteinn), sprinkled
it on the images of the gods, and on the persons present. The meat of
the animals was boiled, and served to the assembled people in the
large hall of the temple, where toasts were drunk to the gods for
victory and good harvests. The sanctuary and the grounds belonging to
it was called ve, a holy or sacred place, and any one who violated its
sanctity was called varg i veum (wolf in the sanctuary), and was
outlawed. Three religious festivals were held each year: one at the
beginning of winter (October 14), the vinternatsblot, or haustblot, to
bid winter welcome; another at midwinter (January 14), midvintersblot,
for peace and good harvest; and a third, sommerblot, held on the first
day of summer (April 14), for victory on military expeditions." - Knut
Gjerset (PhD), "History Of The Norwegian People" p. 105


PERSON OF THE DAY - EVENTUS BONUS

Eventus Bonus ("good ending") is the Roman god of success in business,
but who also ensured a good harvest. His statue stood on the Capitol
in Rome, near the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy (http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/Liv2His.html),
vinternatsblot
(http://www.childrenofyahweh.com/Teaching%20Letters/letter_48.htm),
Eventus Bonus ("Eventus Bonus." Encyclopedia Mythica from Encyclopedia
Mythica Online.
<http://www.pantheon.org/articles/e/eventus_bonus.html>)

Cn. Lentulus salutem dicit Cordo Apollonio, optimo
suo:

We you say that there are very rare examples from the
republic regarding the -ianus which indicates the
mother name, we have a problem. Namely we know very
few names from the lower classes -- and those
aristocrats who followed this practice in the imperial
period they were members of these humle classes. So we
don't know almost nothing of their naming practice,
and it's possible that the parctice I 've explained
was existed at those families in the republican times
too...

Fas valeas!

Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis Fr. Apuli Caesaris
Scriba Aedilis Curulis L. Iuli Sullae
Scriba Interpres Linguae Latinae Senior Tulliae Scholasticae
Scriba Magistri Araneari Iunior Q. Cassi Calvi






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It's a copy of my previos message I wanted to correct
a typo in:

Cn. Lentulus salutem dicit Cordo Apollonio, optimo
suo:

We you say that there are very rare examples from the
republic regarding the -ianus which indicates the
mother name, we have a problem. Namely we know very
few names from the lower classes -- and those
aristocrats who followed this practice in the imperial
period they were members of these humle classes. So we
don't know almost nothing of their naming practice,
and it's possible that the parctice I 've explained
was existed at those families in the republican times
too...

Fas valeas!

Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis Fr. Apuli Caesaris
Scriba Aedilis Curulis L. Iuli Sullae
Scriba Interpres Linguae Latinae Senior Tulliae Scholasticae
Scriba Magistri Araneari Iunior Q. Cassi Calvi






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I do apologize you all, it's the corrected version of
my previous message which I 've forgotten to correct
when I sent it before:


Cn. Lentulus salutem dicit Cordo Apollonio, optimo
suo:

When you say that there are very rare examples from
the
republic regarding the -ianus which indicates the
mother name, we have a problem. Namely we know very
few names from the lower classes -- and those
aristocrats who followed this practice in the imperial
period they were members of these humle classes. So we
don't know almost nothing of their naming practice,
and it's possible that the parctice I 've explained
was existed at those families in the republican times
too...

Fas valeas!

Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis Fr. Apuli Caesaris
Scriba Aedilis Curulis L. Iuli Sullae
Scriba Interpres Linguae Latinae Senior Tulliae Scholasticae
Scriba Magistri Araneari Iunior Q. Cassi Calvi






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Bene factum! :)
Caesariensis

> Salvete,
>
> L
>
> Hesterno, Licini, die otiosi
> multum lusimus in meis tabellis,
> ut conuenerat esse delicatos.
> scribens uersiculos uterque nostrom
> ludebat numero modo hoc modo illoc,
> reddens mutua per iocum atque uinum.
> atque illinc abii tuo lepore
> incensus, Licini, facetieisque,
> ut nec me miserum cibis iuuaret,
> nec somnus tegeret quiete ocellos,
> sed toto indomitus furore lecto
> uersarer, cupiens iudere lucem,
> ut tecum loquerer, simulque ut essem.
> at defessa labore membra postquam
> semimortua lectulo iacebant,
> hoc, iucunde, tibi poema feci,
> ex quo perspiceres meum dolorem.
> nunc audax caue sis, precesque nostras,
> oramus, caue despuas, ocelle,
> ne poenas Nemesis reposcat a te.
> est uehemens dea: laedere hanc caueto.
> --Catullus
>
> Valete,
> Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana

"The Family is a subversive unit" - Germaine Greer.


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Actually, I cheated. I have a bilingual edition of his poems :-)

Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana

me-in-@... wrote:
Bene factum! :)
Caesariensis

> Salvete,
>
> L
>
> Hesterno, Licini, die otiosi
> multum lusimus in meis tabellis,
> ut conuenerat esse delicatos.
> scribens uersiculos uterque nostrom
> ludebat numero modo hoc modo illoc,
> reddens mutua per iocum atque uinum.
> atque illinc abii tuo lepore
> incensus, Licini, facetieisque,
> ut nec me miserum cibis iuuaret,
> nec somnus tegeret quiete ocellos,
> sed toto indomitus furore lecto
> uersarer, cupiens iudere lucem,
> ut tecum loquerer, simulque ut essem.
> at defessa labore membra postquam
> semimortua lectulo iacebant,
> hoc, iucunde, tibi poema feci,
> ex quo perspiceres meum dolorem.
> nunc audax caue sis, precesque nostras,
> oramus, caue despuas, ocelle,
> ne poenas Nemesis reposcat a te.
> est uehemens dea: laedere hanc caueto.
> --Catullus
>
> Valete,
> Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana

"The Family is a subversive unit" - Germaine Greer.


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I believe that is also called 'using initiative to think outside the box'
Once we've grown-up that is. :)

Do you have the really filthy one that one version translates "Paederabo 'go
vos et irrumabo" as "I'll show you I'm a man"? That must come high as all-time
euphemism!

>
> Actually, I cheated. I have a bilingual edition of his poems :-)
>
> Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana

"Even very young children need to be informed about dying. Explain the
concept of death very carefully to your child. This will make threatening him
with it much more effective" - P.J. O'Rourke



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Salve,

No, that is not the version I have. Mine goes:

Pedicabo et irrumabo
Furius & Aurelius
twin sodomites,
you have dared deduce me from my poems
which are lascivious
which lack pudicity....
The devoted poet remains in his own fashion chaste
his poems not necessarily so:
they may well be
lascivious
lacking in pudicity
stimulants (indeed) to prurience
and not solely in boys
but those whose hirsute genitalia are not easily moved.

You read of those thousand kisses.
You deduced an effeminacy there.
You were wrong. Sodomites. Furius & Aurelius.
Pedicabo et irrumabo vos.

Vale,
Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana


me-in-@... wrote:
I believe that is also called 'using initiative to think outside the box'
Once we've grown-up that is. :)

Do you have the really filthy one that one version translates "Paederabo 'go
vos et irrumabo" as "I'll show you I'm a man"? That must come high as all-time
euphemism!

>
> Actually, I cheated. I have a bilingual edition of his poems :-)
>
> Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana

"Even very young children need to be informed about dying. Explain the
concept of death very carefully to your child. This will make threatening him
with it much more effective" - P.J. O'Rourke



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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Idibus Octobribus; haec dies nefastus publicus est.

"He received the name of Caesar on the fourth day before the Ides of
the month usually called October, which he later named Hercules, in
the consulship of Pudens and Pollio. He was called Germanicus on the
Ides of 'Hercules' in the consulship of Maximus and Orfitus." -
Historia Augusta, "Commodus" 13-14

Today is the Ides of October, and it is a day sacred to Iuppiter
Optimus Maximus. Sacrifices made today at the temples would lead to
feasting in the streets to which the public and the poor were all
invited. The celebrations would consist of games, music, dance and
much drinking of wine. Horse races were held today in special honor of
Jupiter, and in the two-horse chariot race on the Campus Martius the
right side horse of the winning chariot was sacrificed to Mars. In a
curious ceremony, a mock fight was staged over the head of the horse
by the people on the Palatine (on the Subura) and those on the
Esquiline (on the Sacra Via), with the winner hanging it on their
respective tower.


"After this success the consul summoned an Assembly, and in the
presence of his fellow-soldiers pronounced a eulogy on Decius not only
for his former services but also for this crowning proof of his
soldierly qualities. In addition to the other military rewards he
presented him with a golden chaplet and a hundred oxen, and one white
one of especial beauty, the horns of which had been gilded. The men
who had been with him on the height were rewarded with a standing
order for double rations and also with one ox and two tunics apiece.
After the consul had made the presentation, the legionaries, amidst
loud cheers, placed on Decius' head an "obsidial " wreath of grass.
Another similar wreath was bestowed upon him by his own men. With
these decorations upon him he sacrificed the beautiful ox to Mars and
presented the hundred oxen which had been given him to the men who had
accompanied him on his expedition. The legionaries also contributed a
pound of meal and a pint of wine for each of them. During all these
proceedings enthusiastic cheering went on through the whole camp.
After the rout it had suffered at the hands of Valerius, the Samnite
army was determined to put its fortunes to the proof in a final
conflict, and a third battle was fought at Suessula. The whole
fighting strength of the nation was brought up. The alarming news was
sent in haste to Capua; from there horsemen galloped to the Roman camp
to beg for help from Valerius. He at once ordered an advance, and
leaving a strong force to protect the camp and the baggage, proceeded
by forced marches to Suessula. He selected a site for his camp not far
from the enemy, and very restricted in area, as with the exception of
the horses there were no baggage, animals, or camp-followers to be
provided for. The Samnite army, assuming that there would be no delay
in giving battle, formed their lines, and as no enemy advanced against
them they marched on towards the Roman camp prepared to assault it.
When they saw the soldiers on the rampart and learnt from the report
of the reconnoitring parties who had been sent in every direction that
the camp was of small dimensions, they concluded that only a weak
force of the enemy held it. The whole army began to clamour for the
fosse to be filled up and the rampart torn down that they might force
their way into the camp. If the generals had not checked the
impetuosity of their men, their recklessness would have terminated the
war. As it was, however, their huge numbers were exhausting their
supplies, and owing to their previous inaction at Suessula and the
delay in bringing on an action they were not far from absolute
scarcity. They determined, therefore, since, as they imagined, the
enemy was afraid to venture outside his camp, to send foraging parties
into the fields. Meantime they expected that as the Romans made no
movement and had brought only as much corn as they could carry with
the rest of their equipment on their shoulders, they, too, would soon
be in want of everything. When the consul saw the enemy scattered
through the fields and only a few left on outpost duty in front of the
camp, he addressed a few words of encouragement to his men and led
them out to storm the Samnite camp. They carried it at the first rush;
more of the enemy were killed in their tents than at the gates or on
the rampart. All the standards which were captured he ordered to be
collected together. Leaving two legions to hold the camp, he gave
strict orders that they were not to touch the booty till he returned.
He went forward with his men in open column and sent the cavalry to
round up the scattered Samnites, like so much game, and drive them
against his army. There was an immense slaughter, for they were too
much terrified to think under what standard to rally or whether to
make for their camp or flee further afield. Their fears drove them
into such a hasty flight that as many as 40,000 shields-far more than
the number of the slain-and military standards, including those
captured in the storming of the camp, to the number of 170 were
brought to the consul. He then returned to the Samnite camp and all
the booty there was given to the soldiers." - Livy, History of Rome 7.37


"It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark
Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to
the upper air – there's the rub, the task." - Vergil

"Publius Vergilius Maro, a native of Mantua, had parents of humble
origin, especially his father, who according to some was a potter,
although the general opinion is that he was at first the hired man of
a certain Magus, an attendant on the magistrates, later became his son
in law because of his dilligence, and greatly increased his little
property by buying up woodlands and raising bees. He was born in the
first consulship of Gnaeus Pompeius the Great and Marcus Licinius
Crasus, on the ides of October, in a district called Andes, not far
distant from Mantua. While he was in his mothers womb, she dreamt
that she gave birth to a laurel-branch, which on touching the earth
took root and grew at once to the size of a full grown tree, covered
with fruits and flowers of various kinds; and on the following day,
when she was on the way to a neighbouring part of the country with her
husband, she turned aside and gave birth to her child in a ditch
beside the road. They say that the infant did not cry at its birth,
and had such a gentle expression as even then to give assurance of an
unusually happy destiny. There was added another omen; for a poplar
branch, which, as was usual in that region on such occaisions, was at
once planted where birth occurred, grew so fast in a short time that
it equalled in size poplars planted long before. It was called from
him " Vergils Tree", and was besides worshipped with great veneration
by pregnant and newly delivered women, who made the paid vows beneath
it." - Aelius Donatus (probably from the work "On Famous Men" by
Suetonius), Life of Vergil and Commentary on the Sixth Eclogue 1-5

"Mantua gave me the light, Calabria slew me; now holds me
Parthenope. I have sung shepherds, the country, and wars." - ibid., 35

On this day in 70 B.C., the greatest Roman poet who ever lived was
born, Publius Vergilius Maro --- Vergil. The poet's boyhood
experience of life on the farm was an essential part of his education.
After his studies in Rome, Vergil is believed to have lived with his
father for about 10 years, engaged in farm work, study, and writing
poetry. In 41 B.C. the farm was confiscated to provide land for
soldiers. Vergil went to Rome, where he became a part of the literary
circle patronized by Maecenas and Augustus and where his Eclogues, or
Bucolics, were completed in 37 B.C. In these poems he idealizes rural
life in the manner of his Greek predecessor Theocritus. From the
Eclogues, Vergil turned to rural poetry of a contrasting kind,
realistic and didactic. In his Georgics, completed in 30 B.C., he
seeks, as had the Greek Hesiod before him, to interpret the charm of
real life and work on the farm. His perfect poetic expression gives
him the first place among pastoral poets. For the rest of his life
Vergil worked on the Aeneid, a national epic honoring Rome and
foretelling prosperity to come. The adventures of Aeneas are
unquestionably one of the greatest long poems in world literature.
Vergil made Aeneas the paragon of the most revered Roman
virtues—devotion to family, loyalty to the state, and piety. In 12
books, Vergil tells how Aeneas escaped from Troy to Carthage, where he
became Dido's lover and related his adventures to her. At Jupiter's
command, he left Carthage, went to Sicily, visited his father's shade
in Hades, and landed in Italy. There he established the beginnings of
the Roman state and waged successful war against the natives. The work
ends with the death of Turnus at the hands of Aeneas. The verse, in
dactylic hexameters, is strikingly regular, though Vergil's death left
the epic incomplete and some of the lines unfinished. The sonority of
the words and the nobility of purpose make the Aeneid a masterpiece.
Vergil is the dominant figure in all Latin literature. His influence
continued unabated through the Middle Ages, and many poets since Dante
have acknowledged their great debt to him. Minor poems ascribed to
Vergil are of doubtful authorship. The spelling "Virgil" is not found
earlier than the 5th cent. A.D.

The Aeneid is Vergil's masterpiece, a national epic that tells the
story of the heroic Aeneas and the founding of Rome. The long poem is
often compared to Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey, Greek epics
combining history and mythology. Vergil died before finishing the
work, but it was published (tradition has it that he wanted it
destroyed after his death) and became a revered text for centuries. In
medieval Europe Vergil became an almost mystical personage, with magic
powers attributed to him and his work (he is used as the guide to Hell
in Dante's Inferno). The Renaissance revived scholarly study of the
Aeneid and Vergil is still considered the greatest of Roman poets.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy (http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/Liv2His.html),
Virgil (http://www.answers.com/topic/virgil) and
(http://www.idmon.freeserve.co.uk/zmyth4a.htm)

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Salve Amice,

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Optime vale

Agricola

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> I Really want to order a couple of shirts but I am having a hell of

a time with paypal. Are there any other options? A couple of months
ago someone in Indonesia of all places attempted to use my account but
they were unable to. Since then, I just can't trust PayPal anymore
even though it wasn't really there fault. Can I call you and place the
order like that. Or mail you a money order or check? I REALLY got to
get my hands on a couple of shirts, they look great. Hope to hear from
you soon and thanks for making this available to us!

>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa <canadaoccidentalis@y...> wrote:Salvete omnes:
>
> This is to officially announce the opening of my online store, Harpax
>
> www.harpax.biz
>
> We are proud to be your source for Nova Roma related goods. 10% of

all sales goes to the central treasury of our republic.

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Ex Domo Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Omnibus SPD

Idus October
The Ides of October
This day (NP), is for special religious observance.
This day was sacred to Jupiter and bridged the festivals of the Meditranalia and the Armilustrium. Sacrifices made today at the temples would lead to feasting in the streets to which the public and the poor were all invited. The celebrations would consist of games, music, dance and much drinking of wine. Horse races were held today in special honor of Jupiter, and in the two-horse chariot race on the Campus Martius the right side horse of the winning chariot was sacrificed to Mars. In a curious ceremony, a mock fight was staged over the head of the horse by the people on the Palatine and those on the Esquiline, with the winner hanging it on their respective tower.


15 October ID OCT. NP
Feriae Iove (Arv.)
(Equus October)

The entry of the feast of Jupiter, to who, all the Ides were sacred, has crowded out any reference to the 'October horse' which is given only in the late Calendar of Philocalus as 'Equus ad Nixas fit' (the Ciconiae Nixae were post-Republican).
n 15 October a two horse chariot-race took place in the Campus Martius and the right-hand horse of the victorious pair was sacrificed by the flamen Martialis on the altar to Mars in the Campus: according to Timaeus it was a war horse and was killed with a spear. The horse's head was cut off and decorated with cakes. The inhabitants of the Via Sacra then fought with those of the Suburra for possession of this grisly trophy; the winner, if the former then nailed it to the Turris Mamilia. Meanwhile, the horse's tail, cauda, or genitals, still dripping with blood was allowed to fall on the sacred hearth. The Vestal Virgins probably kept some congealed blood for use at the Parilia on 21 April (p, 105).
The original meaning of the rite has been much disputed: some believe in an agricultural genesis, others emphasize the military aspect. The former regard it as the last of a series of harvest festivals and believe that the horse represented a Corn-spirit. This view derives some support from Festus' statement, id sacrificium fiabat ob frgum eventum ('that sacrifice was made for the success of the crops'), but it is rejected by those who see in it a sacrifice to Mars connected with the purifications of the army on its return from the summer campaign and linked with the Armilustrium on 19 October. Of course an element of the truth might reside in both views: what was first an agricultural rite could have developed into a military one, with a war-horse substituted for a farm-horse, especially if Mars himself started his divine career as an agricultural deity. However that may be, the military aspect prevailed and by the later Republic the October horse was regarded as a cleansing of the army: both Timaeus and Polybius set it in a military context (Polybius deriding Timaeus for linking it with the Trojan horse!). note 256
It may be that the struggle between the two factions had lapsed by the first century BC, but the rest of the ritual apparently continued, and Caesar may have had it in mind when in 44BC he handed over two mutinous soldiers to the pontiffs and the flamen Martialis who killed them in the campus Martius and had their heads fixed on the Regia. note 157
(Ludi Capitolini)

The Capitaline Games are not recorded in the because they were not public Games but were given by a College of the Capitolini. This group of men were still active in the time of Cicero who in 56 BC wrote to his brother, telling him how they had expelled an unworthy member, an Eques named M. Furius Flaccus.The origin of the games is uncertain, but was probably ancient since it was attributed to Romulus or to Camillus who had founded them to celebrate either the saving of the Capital from the Gauls (Livy) or the conquest of Veii (Plutarch and Festus). The former perhaps derives from an attempt to explain the College of Capitolini, while the latter may be linked with a curious custom recorded by Plutarch: at these Games a proclamation was made that 'Sardians are for sale' and an old man, wearing a child's bulla round his neck, was led about in mockery; Plutarch identified this old man with the defeated king of Veii who was sold by auction along with other prisoners. Plutarch then explains that the Sardians were really Etruscans from Veii who had originally come from Sardis in Lydia. This explanation should be rejected since the Sardians must be Sardinans, but it is perhaps not necessary to follow Latte in arguing that since the Romans captured Sardinia only in 238 BC, the Capitoline Games must have been later than that. Sardi venales (Sardinians for sale), became proverbial, but its connection with the Games remains obscure. note 258
If the Games in fact go back to pre-Republican times, they must have been held in honour of Jupiter Feretrius not Jupiter Optimus Maximus whose temple was dedicated only at the beginning of the Republic. Thus whereas Livy who attributed them to Camillus naturally names Jupiter Optimus Maximus, Terulllian and apparently Ennius, who believed in an earlier origin, refer them to Jupiter Feretrius; Tertullian calls them the Tarpeian Games, but says that Piso called them the Capitoline. The temple of Jupiter Feretrius, which was the oldest in Rome and was small, was traditionally built by Romulus to commemorate his winning the spolia opima, and it was here that those trophies which were won only twice in historical times (in 428 and 222 BC), were kept. It contained no statue of the god, but only a scepter and flint, The derivation of Feretrius is probably from ferre, 'to carry', rather than from ferire, 'to strike', both explanations being offered by the sources. If the former, it will refer to the carrying of weapons into the temple for dedication; if the latter, to the striking of agreements. The silex flint, originally probably a meteoric stone, was used by the Fetial priest in the ritual of treaty-making. The worship of Jupiter as a god of war is unusual, and is presumably due to the central position he had gained in seventh-century Rome, the time when the temple was probably dedicated. note 259
To return to the Games themselves, little is known beyond the story of the old man and the reference by a Scholiast on Virgil to Ennius' Annals which, he says, told how Romulus built a temple to Jupiter Feretrius and had greased hides spread out and held Games so that men fought with gauntlets (caestibus) and competed in running (cursu): the competitors were, in Ennius' line, 'rubbed down with oil, made supple and ready for taking arms' (conque fricati oleo lentati adque arma parati). note 260

From 'Festivals and Ceremonies of the Roman Republic' by HH Scullard

Mars nos protegis
Valete, Flamen Martialis Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur

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Q. Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus sal.

> This day (NP), is for special religious observance.

Similarly, this morning, being the Ides, I offered a libation to
Juppiter, to include a second piaculum at the end for the Meditrinalia's
not being observed. Text available upon request.

Valete.

Ladies and Gentlemen of Nova Roma;

Just a note to tell everyone that it is not my intention to leave Nova-Roma as much as some would wish that I would. Apparently someone feels strongly enough about this, that they have subscribed to Yahoo that I have asked to be unsubscribed from this list. I have ignored the request for confirmation, and will remain on the Main List and others to which I belong at the pleasure of the Praetors.

I invite whoever it was who initiated this request to contact me personnally, in order that we have a chance to work out our differences, or at least come to an agreement to disagree,

Respectfully;

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Salvete Senator Audens Et Omnes,

Yahoo can be a little weird. Sometimes, for no reason that I know
about, members suddenly vanish fronm the lists without any reason or
issue then reappear again a few days or weeks later. I belong to
over 25 lists and am not always on top of them every day. Someone
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What you say is an ugly surprise; I never knew one, other than the
list owner or moderator could request an unsubscription on behalf of
another.

Regards,

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> Ladies and Gentlemen of Nova Roma;
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personnally, in order that we have a chance to work out our
differences, or at least come to an agreement to disagree,

>
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> Marcus Audens
>

salvete omnes,
we have in our eyes the sad images of the hurricanes rita and katrina
in the South of USA and rightly someone claimed for supporting
statements for the victims of new orleans.

Now I do the same being displeased for the silent by NR about another
natural tragedy in the world. The tragedies are not only in the
Occidental world or in the TV news report...
I pray strongly for the 38.000 victims of the earthquake which
destroyed the Kashmir region in Pakistan.
I hope the Gods would protect their spirits and the sensibility of
each of us!

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar

Salve Marcus Audens, Caput!

I have got the same kind of mail and I think it was sent from a
simple spammer. I just deleted the message and never heard the sender
again. It could have been a Nova Roman, but I guess that it
technically could have been a foreigner. ;-)

Anyway my advise it just that, ignore them.

>Ladies and Gentlemen of Nova Roma;
>
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>Respectfully;
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>Marcus Audens

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Salve Consul,

You're completely right, of course. I have once again sent funds via
the Mercy Corps to help with this awful tragedy. It's a worthy charity
that I recommend to anyone who wants to help with disaster relief.

Vale,

-- Marinus

FAC wrote:

> salvete omnes,
> we have in our eyes the sad images of the hurricanes rita and katrina
> in the South of USA and rightly someone claimed for supporting
> statements for the victims of new orleans.
>
> Now I do the same being displeased for the silent by NR about another
> natural tragedy in the world. The tragedies are not only in the
> Occidental world or in the TV news report...
> I pray strongly for the 38.000 victims of the earthquake which
> destroyed the Kashmir region in Pakistan.
> I hope the Gods would protect their spirits and the sensibility of
> each of us!
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
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Thank you.

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I think your solution is here http://www.harpax.biz/no_paypal.htm

Optime vale

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Salvete omnes!

Hodie est postridie Idus Octobris; haec dies fastus aterque est.

"The success which attended these operations made the people of
Falerii anxious to convert their forty years' truce into a permanent
treaty of peace with Rome. It also led the Latins to abandon their
designs against Rome and employ the force they had collected against
the Paelignians. The fame of these victories was not confined to the
limits of Italy; even the Carthaginians sent a deputation to
congratulate the senate and to present a golden crown which was to be
placed in the chapel of Jupiter on the Capitol. It weighed twenty-five
pounds. Both the consuls celebrated a triumph over the Samnites. A
striking figure in the procession was Decius, wearing his decorations;
in their extempore effusions the soldiers repeated his name as often
as that of the consul. Soon after this an audience was granted to
deputations from Capua and from Suessa, and at their request it was
arranged that a force should be sent to winter in those two cities to
act as a check upon the Samnites. Even in those days a residence in
Capua was by no means conducive to military discipline; having
pleasures of every kind at their command, the troops became enervated
and their patriotism was undermined. They began to hatch plans for
seizing Capua by the same criminal means by which its present holders
had taken it from its ancient possessors. "They richly deserved," it
was said, "to have the precedent which they had set turned against
themselves. Why should people like the Campanians who were incapable
of defending either their possessions or themselves enjoy the most
fertile territory in Italy, and a city well worthy of its territory,
in preference to a victorious army who had driven off the Samnites
from it by their sweat and blood? Was it just that these people who
had surrendered themselves into their power should be enjoying that
fertile and delightful country while they, wearied with warfare, were
struggling with the arid and pestilential soil round the City, or
suffering the ruinous consequences of an ever-growing interest which
were awaiting them in Rome?" This agitation which was being conducted
in secret, only a few being yet taken into the conspirators'
confidence, was discovered by the new consul, Caius Marcius Rutilus,
to whom Campania had been allotted as his province, his colleague, Q.
Servilius, being left in the City. Taught by years and experience-he
had been four times consul as well as Dictator and censor-he thought
his best course would be, after he was in possession of the facts as
ascertained through the tribunes, to frustrate any chance of the
soldiers carrying out their design by encouraging them in the hope of
executing it whenever they pleased. The troops had been distributed
amongst the cities of Campania, and the contemplated plan had been
propagated from Capua throughout the entire force. The consul caused a
rumour, therefore, to be spread that they were to occupy the same
winter quarters the following year. As there appeared to be no
necessity for their carrying out their design immediately, the
agitation quieted down for the present." Livy, History of Rome 7.38


"The two-shap'd Ericthonius had his birth
(Without a mother) from the teeming Earth;
Minerva nurs'd him, and the infant laid
Within a chest, of twining osiers made.
The daughters of king Cecrops undertook
To guard the chest, commanded not to look
On what was hid within. I stood to see
The charge obey'd, perch'd on a neighb'ring tree.
The sisters Pandrosos and Herse keep
The strict command; Aglauros needs would peep,
And saw the monstrous infant, in a fright,
And call'd her sisters to the hideous sight:
A boy's soft shape did to the waste prevail,
But the boy ended in a dragon's tail." - Ovid, "Metamorphoses"

In ancient Greece, today was celebrated in honor of Pandrosos.
Pandrosos was the daughter of Cecrops of Athens and the first
priestess of Athene; she was honored together with Athene in the
Pandroseion, on the Acropolis of Athens. According to Apollodorus,
Hephaestus attempted to rape Athena but was unsuccessful. His semen
fell on the ground, impregnating Gaia, who gave birth to Erichthonius,
the future king of Athens. Gaia didn't want the infant, so she gave it
to Athena. Athena in turn gave the baby in a small box to three
sisters, Herse, Pandrosus, and Aglaulus, warning them to never open
it. Aglaulus and Herse opened the box despite these instructions, went
insane at the sight, and threw themselves off the Acropolis. An
alternative version of the same story is that, while Athena was away
from Athens, bringing a mountain from Pallena to use in the Acropolis,
the sisters, minus Pandrosus again, opened the box. A crow witnessed
the opening and flew away to tell Athena, who fell into a rage and
dropped the mountain (now Mt. Lykabettos). As in the first version,
Herse and Aglaulus went insane and threw themselves off a cliff to
their deaths. Pandrosos, who had obeyed the rules, was made the
first priestess of Athene. Athena then secretly looked after
Erichthonius in her sanctuary while he grew up, and eventually he
became the next King of Athens. Pandrosus and Hermes later had a son,
Ceryx.

The three sisters, Pandrosos, Herse, and Auglaros were called the
Augralids, after their mother Augraulos. Pandrosos was the first to
spin, while Herse was concerned mainly with the olive tree, and
Agraulos and Aglauros protected mortals. They were never entirely
excised from Athens. The old temple on the Acropolis was dedicated to
Pandrosos, and was always considered more sacred than Athena's. The
city's sacred olive tree grew in it, and the tree was cared for by the
women of the Hersephoria. The entire Acropolis was originally theirs,
with statues of the three sisters in the main temple. Herse and
Pandrosos' were removed, although Aglauros' was maintained and
renamed. Before going into battle, Athenian soldiers dedicated
themselves to Agraulos, insuring that they had her protection and that
she would grant them rebirth. Each sacred procession included three
priestesses, two to scatter dew, and one with a branch tied to her
elbow, perhaps on the same principle as carrying the caduceus.

Valete bene!

Cato


SOURCES

Livy (http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/Liv2His.html),
Pandrosos (http://www.ancientlibrary.com/seyffert/0458.html) and
(http://survive2012.com/dragon_myths_4.php)

Salve Romans

From the Archives of the Sodalis Coq et Coq

Recipe: ROAST PORK IN CUMIN SAUCE

Serving Size : 4 Preparation

Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method

4 lb Pork (roasting joint) 1 t Cumin -----

FOR SAUCE-----
1/2 t Ground pepper
1 t Celery seed (or lovage)
1/2 t Cumin 1/4 t Fennel
1 t White wine vinegar
1 pn Caraway
1/4 c Pine nuts or almonds chopped
1/4 c Dates, chopped
1 tb Honey
1 1/2 c Pork or beef stock
1/8 t Ground mustard
2 ts Olive oil

Ground pepper Sprinkle cumin over the pork and roast, uncovered, in a 325 F oven for 2 1/2 hours.

For the sauce, in a mortar, grind pepper, celery seed, cumin and fennel. Combine with vinegar, and add caraway, nuts, chopped dates, honey, stock seasoned with mustard, and olive oil. Bring this sauce to a boil, add roasting pan juices, and simmer for 20 minutes. Thicken with flour and serve with a sprinkling of pepper. Source - The Roman Cookery of Apicius

Respectively submitted by the Sodalis Coq et Coq

In vino veritas

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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On 10/15/05, James Mathews <jmath669642reng@...> wrote:

>
> Ladies and Gentlemen of Nova Roma;
>
> Apparently someone feels strongly enough about this, that they have
> subscribed to Yahoo that I have asked to be unsubscribed from this list.

There was a whole spate of this last year on a couple of lists. It's
usually nothing to do with the actual list members. I'd just ignore it but
if you're worried then change your Yahoo password.
Flavia Lucilla Merula

--

> Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done

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Salvete,

words fail me to express the sorrow in front of those images and see this all over again.
Tragedies are coming like in a loop.
Concerning the silence of NR, I agree with you, Consul. However, I do not believe this
behaviour comes from selfishness or disdain. It could be more a question of habit, just
think to take a keyboard and post a message just as if we would now all go on the Forum
in Rome and pray all together.

Valete,

Scipio

--- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:

> Salve Consul,
>
> You're completely right, of course. I have once again sent funds via
> the Mercy Corps to help with this awful tragedy. It's a worthy charity
> that I recommend to anyone who wants to help with disaster relief.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
>
> FAC wrote:
>
> > salvete omnes,
> > we have in our eyes the sad images of the hurricanes rita and katrina
> > in the South of USA and rightly someone claimed for supporting
> > statements for the victims of new orleans.
> >
> > Now I do the same being displeased for the silent by NR about another
> > natural tragedy in the world. The tragedies are not only in the
> > Occidental world or in the TV news report...
> > I pray strongly for the 38.000 victims of the earthquake which
> > destroyed the Kashmir region in Pakistan.
> > I hope the Gods would protect their spirits and the sensibility of
> > each of us!
> >
> > Valete
> > Fr. Apulus Caesar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> On 10/15/05, James Mathews

<jmath669642reng@...> wrote:

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this, that they have

> > subscribed to Yahoo that I have asked to be

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couple of lists. It's

> usually nothing to do with the actual list members.

I'd just ignore it but

> if you're worried then change your Yahoo password.
> Flavia Lucilla Merula
>
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>
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>

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Salvete omnes,

I think most of us have thought and reflected upon the earthquake in
Asia this last week. Each of us may have our own way of absorbing,
handling the bad news or giving to relief efforts.

Nova Roma and the ML is a venue where we try to stick with the
business of Rome. I know we all go off topic at times but for the
most part perhaps many of us come to these lists to concentrate and
learn about our ancestors whilst applying the good things of those
times to our lives today. If I am going to an oil seminar, business
meeting, Latin class, cooking forum or astronomy seminar I would
refrain from discussing the topic of a particular disaster in those
situations. Also other citizens may use NR as a means of temporary
escape or relief from everyday problems and worries much as others
do by attending movies, football or hockey games yet others may feel
shy or leary to post on the disaster situations lest the
conversations evolve to political spats etc.

In short, do not feel the silence on the list is refelective of
hardened hearts.

Insofar as giving money is concerened, the amount of money suggested
for tithing for 4000 years straight was and is 10%. When Jesus (as
the historical figure) said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's the
tax rate from what I read at the time was 1.5 - 5% and I don't think
income tax existed then. Today, in all western democracies we are
compelled and forced to pay nearly 50% of our money in taxes in both
direct and indirect ways. That far exceeds the demands of the 10%
formula of the ancient world. The governments then take a portion of
our money and send it out to the problem areas or use for internal
social services. It is great and a good idea to give to private
chariries on top of this but all in all none of us our able to cheap
out or be stingy misers because of the tax infrastructure.


Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Outside of NR, here is an interesting article about disaster fatigue:


Charities fear 'disaster fatigue'
Groups worry hurricanes, quake might spread giving thin
By Greg Barrett
Sun reporter
Originally published October 12, 2005
First there was Hurricane Katrina. Then Hurricane Rita. Then
Hurricane Stan and the subsequent mudslides that spawned more death,
destruction and homelessness this month in Central America.

Then, last weekend, a magnitude 7.6 earthquake in South Asia killed
more than 35,000 people and left more than 2 million homeless.



By all accounts, relief organizers cannot recall being hit by such a
succession of large-scale natural disasters, dating back 10 months
to the Southeast Asia tsunami. It is, they fear, enough to spread
the charity thin and play havoc with nonprofit budgets.

As the nation's robust philanthropic community approaches the annual
giving season - traditionally between the end of October and the
first of the year - officials of charities large and small say they
worry about "disaster fatigue" and what some nonprofit analysts
call "the CNN effect."

"The urgency of the news motivates people initially to give ... but
then that wanes," said Daniel Borochoff, president of the American
Institute of Philanthropy, a charity watchdog group based in
Chicago. "There is a saturation point where people don't want to
think about disasters any longer, and they will just tune them out."

Even before Saturday's earthquake in Pakistan, donations to the
American Red Cross' Katrina fund had slowed, from $409.1 million in
the first week to $200.5 million the second week and $94.1 million
last week. Yesterday, officials there said it was too early to tell
what effect the earthquake might have on the fund.

"The local chapters are nervous, and the fundraisers are anxious
about what will happen," said Lauri Rhinehart, a 14-year veteran of
the Red Cross and its director of disaster fundraising. "In my time
here, I've never seen the activity at this organization at this
frenzied of a pace across the board."

To date, the Red Cross' effort to raise in excess of $2 billion for
Katrina relief is about $900 million short. It has spent $400
million more than it has raised. Last month, it took out a loan for
$150 million, Rhinehart said.

"We're going to go back and look at our fundraising strategy ... but
we are not waiting to raise it before we spend it," she said. "We
will pull the money from somewhere."

As if looking for reassurance, Red Cross officials recently reviewed
the giving trends of Americans after the terrorist attacks of Sept.
11, 2001. They were encouraged by the longevity of the giving, but
only as it could be applied to a single emergency and a snapshot in
time.

"This is unprecedented. We haven't seen this many large-scale
emergencies all at once," said Sean Callahan of the Baltimore-based
Catholic Relief Services, which is responding with aid to Pakistan,
India, Guatemala, El Salvador and southern Mexico, and is also
providing relief in the conflict-torn Darfur region of western
Sudan, where an estimated 2.4 million are homeless.

"It's just one thing after another overseas and, in addition, the
U.S. gets hit with its worst-ever [natural] disaster," said
Callahan, who is headed to Pakistan on Friday. "Not only are people
pulled to help their brethren overseas, but they also are trying to
help the people down South."

According to research conducted by the Center on Philanthropy at
Indiana University and published by the Giving USA Foundation, the
nation's generosity swells after disasters and overall charity is on
solid footing. Nearly $3 billion was given in response to the Sept.
11 attacks; last year, a record $248.5 billion was given to the
nation's nonprofit organizations, including religious groups.

"People raised these same sorts of issues after 9/11 and after the
tsunami: Will it pull away the giving to other philanthropic sources
and causes and disasters?" said Bob Ottenhoff, president of
GuideStar.org, a database of financial and program information
collected on the nation's 1.5 million nonprofits. "In those cases it
did not. People not only responded generously to the requests around
those two causes, but they continued to give to their traditional
causes."

Still, Ottenhoff worries that the long-term needs for rebuilding in
New Orleans, Pakistan and Guatemala might be forgotten. According to
Catholic Relief Services' office in Guatemala, the hurricane and
mudslides have killed more than 1,000 people in Central America and
left hundreds of thousands homeless.

"As Americans, we like to contribute, to do something immediately
when we are made aware of a crisis ... but it tends to be short-term
in nature," Ottenhoff said. "The kind of long-term rebuilding of a
society or a community is not always so attractive."

Catholic Charities USA has collected $53 million for Katrina
victims, the most it has generated for a single disaster and about
$21 million more than it collected after the 2001 terrorist attacks.

But this week, officials brainstormed about ways to jump-start a
campaign that has lost strength. They discussed returning to donors
who have already contributed to its hurricane relief fund and asking
them to give again, this time with the long-term needs in mind, said
John Keightley, senior vice president for planning and external
relations.

The nonprofit also considered using specific relief objectives -
such as housing for a defined period for a particular group of
homeless - and trying to "sell it as a packaged program" to
corporations, Keightley said.

"It can be more of a plan now than a response," he said. "You
recognize that this is part of a broader context [of global
disasters], but you can't get beaten down by it or too afraid of it."

Yesterday, Keightley sounded optimistic.

"After 9/11, it was a challenging time and we got through it. I
won't say every need was met, but we were able to keep the focus on
raising the dollars our agencies needed," he said. "I am continually
amazed and reimpressed that when something serious happens the
American people dig a little deeper than [we] thought they could."

Rhinehart wishes they would.

The Red Cross responds to about 70,000 disasters annually. The
majority are what she calls the "silent disasters" that happen every
day. "Because they get no media attention it is always more
challenging to raise money for those," she said.

Right now, the Red Cross is pulling from its general disaster relief
fund to aid wildfire victims in California and flood victims in
Kentucky. "Our mission isn't just the highly visible disasters," she
said. "Though it's that too."

greg.barrett@...




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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Sextus Apollonius Scipio
<scipio_apollonius@y...> wrote:

>
> Salvete,
>
> words fail me to express the sorrow in front of those images and

see this all over again.

> Tragedies are coming like in a loop.
> Concerning the silence of NR, I agree with you, Consul. However, I

do not believe this

> behaviour comes from selfishness or disdain. It could be more a

question of habit, just

> think to take a keyboard and post a message just as if we would

now all go on the Forum

> in Rome and pray all together.
>
> Valete,
>
> Scipio
>
> --- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...> wrote:
>
> > Salve Consul,
> >
> > You're completely right, of course. I have once again sent

funds via

> > the Mercy Corps to help with this awful tragedy. It's a worthy

charity

> > that I recommend to anyone who wants to help with disaster

relief.

> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > -- Marinus
> >
> > FAC wrote:
> >
> > > salvete omnes,
> > > we have in our eyes the sad images of the hurricanes rita and

katrina

> > > in the South of USA and rightly someone claimed for supporting
> > > statements for the victims of new orleans.
> > >
> > > Now I do the same being displeased for the silent by NR about

another

> > > natural tragedy in the world. The tragedies are not only in

the

> > > Occidental world or in the TV news report...
> > > I pray strongly for the 38.000 victims of the earthquake which
> > > destroyed the Kashmir region in Pakistan.
> > > I hope the Gods would protect their spirits and the

sensibility of

> > > each of us!
> > >
> > > Valete
> > > Fr. Apulus Caesar
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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Im currently reading about Ovid & I cant fggure out
how Julia Minoras exile for philandering caused Ovids
exile as well.Was there a greater conspiracy here?

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Salve Marce Flavi,

I think it comes down to "Embarassing the Emperor."

Augustus was righteously peeved about Julia's gadding
about, and Ovid made things by writing poems about blatant
infidelity. Augustus, having the imperium maius, was not
loathe to use it.

Vale,

-- Marinus

raymond fuentes wrote:

> Im currently reading about Ovid & I cant fggure out
> how Julia Minoras exile for philandering caused Ovids
> exile as well.Was there a greater conspiracy here?
>
> S P Q R
>
> Fidelis Ad Mortem.
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> Marcvs Flavivs Fides
> Roman Citizen
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I have heard whisperings that the two were discreetly indiscreet together
(or would that be indiscreetly discreet?) Supposedly, the two were not
exiled simultaneously so as to not make the connection too obvious. On the
other hand this my be the must spurious of speculations. Fortunately,
neither can now bring a defamation of character suit.

--

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On 10/16/05, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Marce Flavi,
>
> I think it comes down to "Embarassing the Emperor."
>
> Augustus was righteously peeved about Julia's gadding
> about, and Ovid made things by writing poems about blatant
> infidelity. Augustus, having the imperium maius, was not
> loathe to use it.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
>
> raymond fuentes wrote:
>
> > Im currently reading about Ovid & I cant fggure out
> > how Julia Minoras exile for philandering caused Ovids
> > exile as well.Was there a greater conspiracy here?
> >
> > S P Q R
> >
> > Fidelis Ad Mortem.
> >
> > Marcvs Flavivs Fides
> > Roman Citizen
> >
> >
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Tomi seems a little over-much for getting to close to an Imperial who got
too close to too many and we don't hear much about other lovers being exiled. I
wonder if Ovid might have been indiscrete about her other indiscretions that
otherwise could have dealt with - discretely?
Caesariensis

> I have heard whisperings that the two were discreetly indiscreet together
> (or would that be indiscreetly discreet?) Supposedly, the two were not
> exiled simultaneously so as to not make the connection too obvious. On the
> other hand this my be the must spurious of speculations. Fortunately,
> neither can now bring a defamation of character suit.
>
> --
> >|P. Dominus Antonius|<
> Tony Dah m
>

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A. Apollonius Cn. Lentulo omnibusque sal.

> When you say that there are very rare examples from
> the
> republic regarding the -ianus which indicates the
> mother name, we have a problem. Namely we know very
> few names from the lower classes -- and those
> aristocrats who followed this practice in the
> imperial
> period they were members of these humle classes. So
> we
> don't know almost nothing of their naming practice,
> and it's possible that the parctice I 've explained
> was existed at those families in the republican
> times
> too...

Possibilis sed non verisimilis videtur. All the
evidence suggests that during the republican period
very few people below the ranks of the nobiles even
had cognomina at all. A cognomen was, for most of
republican history, a peculiarly aristocratic
possession. The history of Roman nomenclature is a
history of aristocratic habits filtering down the
social scale.

The same pattern, indeed, can be seen in various other
areas of Roman life - think of Plinius' major's
account of the history of Roman finger-rings: first
only senatores had them and they were made of iron;
then iron rings became more widespread and senatores
started to wear gold rings; by the end of the
republican a gold ring was the mark of an eques; by
the time of Caracalla every Roman citizen had one.
Similarly, it seems, with names: at first cognomina
were confined to the nobiles; by the end of the
republic they had begun to be used in the lower orders
but we still hear of men from humble backgrounds
without them (C. Marius is a prime example), and at
the same time the nobiles had begun to use double or
even triple cognomina; by the high empire everyone
seems to have had at least one cognomen, and
aristocrats commonly had four or five.

In fact we have a fair amount of epigraphic evidence
from if not the lower classes at least the middle
classes - people rich enough to commission an
inscription but lowly enough that we never hear of
them in the literary sources. Many of these people
during the republican period have no cognomen at all,
and very few indeed have -ianus cognomina.





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After more then 2000 years, in Rome, Circus Maximus is a ruin. In august I was there in the middle of the night. There are no fights. There are no audience. But there are tourists with drums. A lot of drums. And the drums play all the night. The drums singing about the heroes, about courage and in short time the ground vibrations will include you. There are no figts. There are no audience. But the ancient roman spirituality still exist there.



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Salve

I hereby publish the results of teh last Senatus Consultum. The
results were first published on the Senate list the 7th of October by
Consul Apulus who then issued a corrected version the 11th of October.
The delay of the present mail, for which I do apologize, was caused by
my lack of internet access between the 10th and the 15th of October
and, at the same time, but what appears to be a misunderstatement
between myself and the Consul due an apparently vanished email from me
to him.

You will find here the text of the various items in Agenda, the final
vote and, when the senatores felt like adding a comment while casting
their vote, those comments as well.

At the end, 25 Senatores voted satisfying the requirements for a
quorum. I congratulate and thank you for the high partecipation.
The following are the Senatores which have voted:

FAC - Franciscus Apulus Caesar
GSA - Gnaeus Salvius Astur
CFD - Caius Flavius Diocletianus
MAGG - M. Antonius Gryllus Graecus
GPL - Gaius Popillius Laenas
MOG - Marcus Octavius Germanicus
GEM - Gn. Equitius Marinus
CFBQ - Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
JSM - Julilla Sempronia Magna
QFM - Q. Fabius Maximus
LSD - Lucius Sicinius Drusus
MCS - Manius Constantinus Serapio
LECA - L Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
MAM - Marcus Arminius Maior
PC - Patricia Cassia
ATC - A. Tullius Cato
ECF - Emilia Curia Finnica
LSA - Lucius Sergius Australicus
DIP - Decius Iunius Palladius
MIP - Marcus lulius Perusianus
TLF - T Labienus Fortunatus
PMT - P. Minucia Tiberia
MMTA - Marcus Minucius Tiberius Audens
CFL - C. Fabia Livia
GMM - Gaius Marius Merullus

The results are the following.



#1 - APPOINTMENT OF MAGISTER ARANEARIUS SUFFECTUS
Given the resignation of Calvus as Magister Aranearius and the
importance of this vacant Office for our democratical procedures,
the appointment of a Magister Aranearius Suffectus since the election
of a new magister is necessary and required by the law.
The Senatus is called to approve the appointment of Caius Minucius
Scaevola as Magister Aranearius Suffectus. He is a professional
consultant for over 20 years, with experiences in both hardware and
software. He's teacher of Perl programming, network engineering, and
computer security for Sun Microsystems. He's highly experienced in
server configuration, CGI, and databases, web design. And He manages
a number of web sites including the Linux Gazette
(http://linuxgazette.net) where he's also the Editor-in-Chief.

PASSED (20 uti rogas; 0 abtisneo; 5 antiquo)

FAC - VTI ROGAS: Scaevola is very very experienced and skilled, he's
our best choice
to substitute Calvus for the next 3 months until the election of a
new webmaster.
GSA - VTI ROGAS
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MAGG - VTI ROGAS
GPL - VTI ROGAS
MOG - VTI ROGAS
GEM - VTI ROGAS
CFBQ - VTI ROGAS: Caius Minucius Scaevola is more then qualified fro
this position. I
only hope we may appoint an equal to succeed him when he will have no
time for it, because, at least the data base needs an overhaul.
JSM - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS
LSD - ANTIQVO
MCS - VTI ROGAS
MAM - ANTIQVO
PC - VTI ROGAS
ATC - VTI ROGAS
ECF - VTI ROGAS
LSA - ANTIQVO
DIP - ANTIQVO
MIP - VTI ROGAS: I don't know him but what I know is that we
desperately need such a magistrate. Myself, I was blocked in the
publication of an edictum in cooperation with the former magister
aranearius and my staff.
TLF - VTI ROGAS
PMT - VTI ROGAS
MMTA - VTI ROGAS
CFL - VTI ROGAS
GMM - VTI ROGAS





#8 - NOVA ROMA CARITAS "PROJECT KATRINA"
Following the proposal of the NR Caritas Fund, Sextus Apollonius
Cordus proposes to open the donation-raising for the nova roman
victims of teh hurricane Katrina in Louisiana and Alabama as
indicated at http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Caritas/

REJECTED (3 uti rogas; 3 abtisneo; 19 antiquo)

FAC - VTI ROGAS: For the written reasons on point 7
GSA - ANTIQVO: For the same reasons indicated for item #7.
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MAGG - ANTIQVO: That would create a precedent that would force NR to
help
(in case of natural disaster) any country where there is at least an
NR
citizen living. As per #7 above, I believe that NR's current position
prevents that kind of commitment.
GPL - ANTIQVO
MOG - ANTIQVO
GEM - ABSTINEO
CFBQ - ABSTINEO
JSM - ANTIQVO
QFM - ANTIQVO: We are not set up to do this.
LSD - ANTIQVO
MCS - ANTIQVO: See above
MAM - ANTIQVO
PC - ANTIQVO
ATC - VTI ROGAS
ECF - ANTIQVO
LSA - ANTIQVO
DIP - ANTIQVO
MIP - ANTIQVO
TLF - ANTIQVO
PMT - ABSTINEO: My feelings in regard to the above two items were
stated earlier this session by Senatrix Patricia Cassia. To expand,
I appreciate the virtuous intentions of these items. I truly do. But
they entail far more work and redtape than we are currently capable
of handling right now, IMO.
MMTA - ANTIQVO
CFL - ANTIQVO





#3 - SPONSORSHIP OF LEGIO VIIII HISPANA
Marcus Adrianus Complutensis asks the sponsorship by Nova Roma of
the Legio VIIII Hispania formed by nova romans citizens.

PASSED (25 uti rogas; 0 abtisneo; 0 antiquo)

FAC - VTI ROGAS: I applaude the job accomplished by Provincia
Hispania and its Legio
promoting NR in spain.
GSA - VTI ROGAS
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MAGG - VTI ROGAS
GPL - VTI ROGAS
MOG - VTI ROGAS
GEM - VTI ROGAS
CFBQ - VTI ROGAS: I am very happy to support this Legio in Europe.
JSM - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS
LSD - VTI ROGAS
MCS - VTI ROGAS: congratulations to the Spanish citizens on thei
outstanding job!
MAM - VTI ROGAS
PC - VTI ROGAS
ATC - VTI ROGAS: I have heard that they have been doing excellent
work
and I am sure that they will continue to do so.
ECF - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
DIP - VTI ROGAS
MIP - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
PMT - VTI ROGAS: With great pleasure.
MMTA - VTI ROGAS
CFL - VTI ROGAS
GMM - VTI ROGAS




#4 - CREATION OF BANK ACCOUNT IN EUROPE
Given the discussion in the previous Senatus Consultum, I ask the
approval to create a bank account in Europa. It would low the
expanses for the tax-raising, the payments, and all the financial
actions for the citizens and Provinciae living in EU, Eastern
Europe, Russia and Mediterranean area. The account would be managed
by the Tresury of NR by an experienced nova roman appointed by the
Senatus.
After a long research in all the States member of the EU, my staff
have found a cheap and serious opportunity in Spain as following:

BBVA (Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria)
The cost of the account depends on the amount of money NR have there.

Up to 150 EUR -> 10,50 EUR every 6 months (i.e. 21 EUR per year)
Up to 3000 EUR -> 9,02 EUR every 6 months (i.e. 18,04 EUR per year)
Over 3000 EUR -> 7,58 EUR every 6 months (i.e. 15,16 EUR per year)

Every "action" on the account costs 0,36 EUR.

PASSED (21 uti rogas; 0 abtisneo; 4 antiquo)

FAC - VTI ROGAS: An essential step for the growth of NR in the
world, helping the
financial activities from and to the provinciae and citizens in the
Old Continent.
GSA - VTI ROGAS
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MAGG - VTI ROGAS
GPL - VTI ROGAS
MOG - VTI ROGAS
GEM - VTI ROGAS
CFBQ - VTI ROGAS: A step that has been needed for a very long time
now.
JSM - VTI ROGAS
QFM - ANTIQVO: Was not persuaded by arguments that this would be a
good thing, nor was
I convinced of the trust issues I had raised would be solved.
LSD - ANTIQVO
MCS - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
PC - ANTIQVO
ATC - VTI ROGAS: this is something that I believe is needed for our
citizens across the sea.
ECF - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
DIP - ANTIQVO
MIP - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
PMT - VTI ROGAS
MMTA - VTI ROGAS
CFL - VTI ROGAS: With the note that Britain has free
banking for charities & non-profit organizations,
which are entirely without charges - which will not be
much good until we join the Euro, but may eventually
be a viable alternative.
GMM - VTI ROGAS




#5 - APPOINTMENT OF GNAEUS SALVIUS ASTUR AS MANAGER FOR THE BANK
ACCOUNT IN EUROPE
The Senatus is called to appoint Senator Gnaues Salvius Astur to
manage the bank account in
Europe at BBVA (Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria) in Madrid for Nova
Roma Inc.

PASSED (21 uti rogas; 1 abtisneo; 3 antiquo)

FAC - VTI ROGAS
GSA - VTI ROGAS
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MAGG - VTI ROGAS
GPL - VTI ROGAS
MOG - VTI ROGAS
GEM - VTI ROGAS
CFBQ - VTI ROGAS: There is no one I trust more in Nova Roma, he is
the right man.
JSM - VTI ROGAS
QFM - ANTIQVO
LSD - ANTIQVO
MCS - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
PC - ANTIQVO
ATC - VTI ROGAS: A good man for the job in my opinion.
ECF - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
DIP - ABSTINEO
MIP - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
PMT - VTI ROGAS: A very capable individual. We are fortunate to
have his assistance in this regard.
MMTA - VTI ROGAS
CFL - VTI ROGAS
GMM - VTI ROGAS




#6 - APPOINTMENT OF PORTUGUESE INTERPRETER
Appointment of Titus Marcius Felix as Portuguese Interpreter

PASSED (23 uti rogas; 2 abtisneo; 0 antiquo)

FAC - ABSTINEO: I don't know him
GSA - VTI ROGAS
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MAGG - VTI ROGAS
GPL - VTI ROGAS
MOG - VTI ROGAS
GEM - VTI ROGAS
CFBQ - VTI ROGAS: We need this interpreter.
JSM - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS
LSD - VTI ROGAS
MCS - VTI ROGAS: I don't know him, nor I think he has ever
translated a
page of our website into Partuguese (in case I'm wrong I apologize),
but we certainly need a translator for this language so I want to
trust him.
MAM - VTI ROGAS: Uti Rogas. Titus Marcius already started some
translations, and is just waiting for a new Magister Aranearium.
PC - VTI ROGAS
ATC - ABSTINEO: I do not know the gentleman
ECF - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
DIP - VTI ROGAS
MIP - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
PMT - VTI ROGAS
MMTA - VTI ROGAS
CFL - VTI ROGAS
GMM - VTI ROGAS




#7 - CREATION OF THE NOVA ROMAN CARITAS FUND
Following the suggestions came from the Main list, I propose the
creation of the Nova Roman Caritas Fund in order to help our
citizens and their family in the need and during tragedies.
The NR Caritas Fund will be inserted in the Nova Roman Tresury but
the collected donations must to be used only for caritas actions.
Any citizen interested in a project of donation may request the
approval by the Senatus to open a money-raising and to use the nova
roman paypal account (with object: NR CARITAS - NAME OF THE
PROJECT). The presented project may present the adresses of the
collected money and the deadline. At the deadline the sending of the
money will be accomplished by the Consules and/or by their Consular
Quaestores.
Any donation by the Senatus would be inserted by the Consul in the
provisional annual budget.

REJECTED (3 uti rogas; 4 abtisneo; 18 antiquo)

FAC - VTI ROGAS: Maybe NR is not able to organize detailed humantary
helps, but the
raised monies could sent to professional organizations working in
the field.
GSA - ANTIQVO: Although I obviously support the idea of helping
those in need, I
believe that there are organizations better suited for that purpose
than Nova Roma. We do not have the necessary infrastructure, we do
not
have the knowledge or experience... I invite those citizens
interested
in donating funds for charity to contact those organizations.
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MAGG - ANTIQVO: After following the dabate that took place in this
august
chamber, I am still of the opinion that NR is still not in a
position to
sponsor this kind of activities.
GPL - ANTIQVO
MOG - ANTIQVO
GEM - ABSTINEO: I think this is an admirable idea, and one within
Nova Roma's
charter of being an educational, social, and charitable
organization. However,
I have deep reservations about our ability to undertake this effort
at this
time. I commend Consul Caesar for placing this item on the Senate
agenda for
discussion.
CFBQ - ABSTINEO: I have been thinking about this and at last I
understood why I liked
the idea so much. Of course we can't do the work of the great
organisations and it would be easier to support the great
international relief organizations - except if we want to support -
Nova Roman citizens. I suggest that the Honorable Consul rewrite the
proposal and let it say:
"I propose the creation of the Nova Roman Caritas Fund in order to
help Nova Roman citizens and their families in the need and during
tragedies. The NR Caritas Fund will be inserted in the Nova Roman
Tresury but the collected donations must to be used only for Caritas
actions aimed at Nova Roman citizens in such disaster areas.
Any citizen interested in a project of donation may request the
approval by the Senatus to open a money-raising and to use the
NovaRoman Paypal account (with object: NR CARITAS - NAME OF THE
PROJECT). The presented project may present the addresses of the
collected money and the deadline. At the deadline the sending of the
money will be accomplished by the Consular Quaestores under the
supervision of the Consules."
I think that quiet a lot of the Senatores thought that the proposal
intended to compete with the great international relief
organizations. By only supporting Nova Roman citizens that has been
hit by disasters I think the proposal might get a quiet different
meaning and also help us all to develop a common solidarity.. This
way the Caritas fund will do something no one else will be doing. I
even think that this might have been the intention of Sextus
Apollonius Scipio when he suggested this and maybe also the Senior
Consul saw the same solution.
JSM - ANTIQVO: My feelings about this issue were ably spoken by
Patricia Cassia.
Any charitable giving should be aligned with our mission.
QFM - ANTIQVO: While admirable in sentiment, unworkable in our
current condition. Too much chance of misuse.
LSD - ANTIQVO
MCS - ANTIQVO: I explained my reasons. I think our citizens would
make a
better service by directly donating to the right organizations
without Nova Roma having to act as an intermediary.
MAM - ANTIQVO
PC - ANTIQVO: I believe NR's charitable efforts should be directed
toward
Roman-related causes.
ATC - VTI ROGAS
ECF - ANTIQVO
LSA - ANTIQVO: I think perhaps this needs further consideration and
finer definition.
DIP - ABSTINEO
MIP - ANTIQVO: Simply I think there are a lot of specialized caritas
organization where a citizen can send money and NR has her own goals
to pursue with her money.
TLF - ANTIQVO
PMT - ABSTINEO
MMTA - ANTIQVO
CFL - ANTIQVO
GMM - ANTIQVO: I think that this item comes with the best intentions
but am convinced
by statements of other senators against pursuing such a fund.




#8 - NOVA ROMA CARITAS "PROJECT KATRINA"
Following the proposal of the NR Caritas Fund, Sextus Apollonius
Cordus proposes to open the donation-raising for the nova roman
victims of teh hurricane Katrina in Louisiana and Alabama as
indicated at http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Caritas/

REJECTED (3 uti rogas; 3 abtisneo; 19 antiquo)

FAC - VTI ROGAS: For the written reasons on point 7
GSA - ANTIQVO: For the same reasons indicated for item #7.
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MAGG - ANTIQVO: That would create a precedent that would force NR to
help
(in case of natural disaster) any country where there is at least an
NR
citizen living. As per #7 above, I believe that NR's current position
prevents that kind of commitment.
GPL - ANTIQVO
MOG - ANTIQVO
GEM - ABSTINEO
CFBQ - ABSTINEO
JSM - ANTIQVO
QFM - ANTIQVO: We are not set up to do this.
LSD - ANTIQVO
MCS - ANTIQVO: See above
MOG - ANTIQVO
PC - ANTIQVO
ATC - VTI ROGAS
ECF - ANTIQVO
LSA - ANTIQVO
DIP - ANTIQVO
MIP - ANTIQVO
TLF - ANTIQVO
PMT - ABSTINEO: My feelings in regard to the above two items were
stated earlier this session by Senatrix Patricia Cassia. To expand,
I appreciate the virtuous intentions of these items. I truly do. But
they entail far more work and redtape than we are currently capable
of handling right now, IMO.
MMTA - ANTIQVO
CFL - ANTIQVO

Valete,

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus

Founder of Gens Constantinia
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