Salve Romans

Cordus says in part

"The penalty for disregarding provocatio was extremely serious, and A.
H. M. Jones in "The Criminal Courts of the Roman
Republic" produces some evidence that both provincial
officials and military officers during the republic
were extremely reluctant to do anything which might
get them accused on doing this."

TGP How interesting that even Roman military officers
understood that no one should place themselves between
a Roman Citizen invoking provocatio and his day in court.


AAC "In many cases it seems that the word "provoco"
was enough to make the relevant officials drop the
whole case like a hot potato and send it straight to Rome.
And understandably so, if one recalls Cicero's blistering
attack on Verres for the latter's disregard of
provocatio as governor of Sicily."

TGP Oh how the times have changed :(


Vale


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
"Nova Roma, an education in Classics and a Classical Education"






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In a message dated 11/12/2005 6:46:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,
praefectus2324@... writes:
Isnt it true that the toga was not as widely used as
we think ESPECIALLY during later imperial times?
Most likely. But I concentrate on the republican period. That has the most
interest
for me in NR.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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In a message dated 11/11/2005 8:01:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
glcrassus@... writes:
With regard to proving Roman citizenship, were not Roman legionaries branded
or 'marked' in some permanent way, or is this an invention of Hollywood? This
in itself, if true, could concievable prove citizenship- assuming the man in
question had not been stripped of it for some reason.
Veg. in "Epitome" tells us the recruit was so marked. But remember by the
5th Cent. CE everybody in the Empire was a citizen, unless you were a mercenary
fighting in the Roman army.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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With the current discussion on Parthia I thought this might be of some
interest.
In Moscow, Professor Vera Sergeevna Rastorgueva
93 years old has died.
Prof. Rastorgueva was a world-known specialist in various modern and extinct
Western Iranian languages, her expertise was in Tajik dialectology.

Her last work was the Western Iranian part of the
"Etymological dictionary of Iranian Languages" (Eastern Iranian
material collected by Dzhoj Iosifovna Edel'man), with the first
two volumes are already published and a third in the works.

Prof. Rastorgueva is also the author (together with E.K.
Molcanova) of "Parfjanskij jazyk" Osnovy iranskogo
jazykoznanija: Sredneirankie jazyki, Moscow 1981, pp. 147-232)
which is the only grammar of the Parthian language, apart
from an article by Werner Sundermann in Compendium Linguarum
Iranicarum.

A sad loss, but much of what we know about Parthia is due to this
amazing women.
Hopefully, Molcanva will continue with the work.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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It's difficult to say that Hinduism 'is' anything, other than the Eastern
continuation of the Olympians with a lot of additions. The earthly teaching in
the Bhagavadgita is 'do your duty', which just happens to be fighting an
enormous war whose outcome makes no difference at all. The spiritual is that
total devotion and focus away from this life prevent an eternity of lives. I
recall somebody saying something that makes a lot of sense, that religions
preach the opposite of the prevailing culture. Obviously, they want people to
change. So a religion as apparantly pacific as Hinduism likes to present itself
implies an underlying violent culture. I don't think the Baha'i have had any
religious wars. There's not enough of them and they haven't been around for long
enough!
Caesariensis

> >
> > ATS: Indeed they do‹and not only as warfare, but as
> > religiously-inspired murder. A Punjabi friend and her sister, who were
> > children at the time, were the sole survivors of their (Hindu) family¹s
> > extermination at the hands of the Muslims. Even an infant brother was
> > killed; presumably the girls were spared because in that society
> > preadolescent females weren¹t worth the trouble of killing them. The
> > murderers must have assumed that they would die anyway. This sort of thing
> > occurs with lamentable frequency in the Indian subcontinent; someone
> > provokes a reaction, and it occurs with horrifying consequences. Hinduism
> > may indeed be a passive religion, so passive that the Mahatma evidently had
> > to exert some effort to get his countrymen ready to fight for independence,
> > but there is no lack of inclination to fight when a sacred cow is
> > slaughtered or a pig is introduced into a mosque or what have you.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > QSP
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > ATS
> >

"The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men
prefer not to hear" - Herbert Agar

The aggression was from her to me regarding one line refering to possible
political influence in a long tract comapring the present hubbub about Islam
with the Roman fear of Christians. There was no 'anti-Semitism', no attack on
her until I told her her choice to take offense and so silence the intended
discussion was mistaken. I don't know what you mean about a 'primitive'
interpretation of history. I get mine from historians, not from maniacs
centuries after the events imagining supernatural indpiration never found before
in religious works. I notice ny extensive quote from Rabbi Berger is missing.
Was his opposition to Israel also 'anti-Semitic'?

> Salvete omnes,
>
> Will some authority put an end to the insults and verbal aggressions from
> this character, Caesariensis, against Marca Hortensia Maior and all of us
> who reject his vile antisemitism and primitive interpretation of history?
>
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Salve,

Yes, I agree that your posts were not anti-semitic.

Vale,

Annia Minucia-Tiberia Audens Sempronia

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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] IT'S ENOUGH!


The aggression was from her to me regarding one line refering to possible
political influence in a long tract comapring the present hubbub about Islam
with the Roman fear of Christians. There was no 'anti-Semitism', no attack
on
her until I told her her choice to take offense and so silence the intended
discussion was mistaken. I don't know what you mean about a 'primitive'
interpretation of history. I get mine from historians, not from maniacs
centuries after the events imagining supernatural indpiration never found
before
in religious works. I notice ny extensive quote from Rabbi Berger is
missing.
Was his opposition to Israel also 'anti-Semitic'?

...2 hours and a half left to answers the questions for day 3 of the
ludi's quiz!

Hurry up!

Valete,

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus

Founder of Gens Constantinia
Tribunus Plebis
Aedilis Urbis Iterum

ave Severe,

just because you are asking: there is an authority and its name is
the Praetorship. But we intervene according to the law, most of the
time in the background. Don't worry, we're alwasy cheking this Forum.

M IVL PERVSIANVS
Praetor

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wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Will some authority put an end to the insults and verbal

aggressions from

> this character, Caesariensis, against Marca Hortensia Maior and

all of us

> who reject his vile antisemitism and primitive interpretation of

history?

>
> Valete,
>
> M•IVL•SEVERVS
> SCRIBA•CENSORIS•GEM
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Salve Audens Sempronia (you have oo many names for me to sure which are the
'polite' ones)
Good. So, as I recall, one of these threads concerned how Rome would react to
the kind of situation in France but also linked that with imagined Muslim
insurgency. Well we know how Rome reacted: it's in all the martyrologies. And we
know the outcome of heavy-handedness was the opposite of the intention.

What we don't know is how far the identification was as mistaken as so far this
one is (though no doubt it will not take long for some enterprising
rabble-rouser to portray this as specific attack on Muslims rather than the fact
that most of these poorer migrants happen to be Muslim) or how far were violent
groups going under the name of Christianity brought the whole thing into
disrepute. We do have records of such groups and some were later declared
heretical. However, it was in the later church's interest to claim as many
martyrs as possible without going too deeply into whether they actually
'belonged' at all or might even have been similar semi-Jewish sects like the
Mandeans and the one ascribed to Simon Magus. We know from Irenaeus that there
were some very peculiar sects grouped as 'Christian', some possibly just plain
slander since their activities resemble those attributed to black witches and
Satanists to the present time.
Caesariensis

> Salve,
>
> Yes, I agree that your posts were not anti-semitic.
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia-Tiberia Audens Sempronia
>

"God created man and man created God. So is it in the world. Men make
gods and they worship their creations. If would be fitting for the gods to
worship men" - Gospel of Thomas, Logion 85:1-4

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est pridie Idus Novembris; haec dies comitialis est.

"Nymphius at the same time approached the Samnite praetor and
persuaded him, now that the whole of the Roman fighting force was
either round Palaeopolis or engaged in Samnium, to allow him to sail
round with the fleet to the Roman seaboard and ravage not only the
coastal districts but even the country close to the city. But to
ensure secrecy he pointed out that it would be necessary to start by
night, and that the ships should be at once launched. To expedite
matters the whole of the Samnite troops, with the exception of those
who were mounting guard in the city, were sent down to the shore. Here
they were so crowded as to impede one another's movements and the
confusion was heightened by the darkness and the contradictory orders
which Nymphius was giving in order to gain time. Meantime Charilaus
had been admitted by his confederates into the city. When the Romans
had completely occupied the highest parts of the city, he ordered them
to raise a shout, on which the Greeks, acting on the instructions of
their leaders kept quiet. The Nolans escaped at the other end of the
city and took the road to Nola. The Samnites, shut out as they were
from the city, had less difficulty in getting away, but when once out
of danger they found themselves in a much more sorry flight. They had
no arms, there was nothing they possessed which was not left behind
with the enemy; they returned home stripped and destitute, an object
of derision not only to foreigners but even to their own countrymen. I
am quite aware that there is another view of this transaction,
according to which it was the Samnites who surrendered, but in the
above account I have followed the authorities whom I consider most
worthy of credit. Neapolis became subsequently the chief seat of the
Greek population, and the fact of a treaty being made with that city
renders it all the more probable that the re-establishment of friendly
relations was due to them. As it was generally believed that the enemy
had been forced by the siege to come to terms, a triumph was decreed
to Publilius. Two circumstances happened in connection with his
consulship which had never happened before-a prolongation of command
and a triumph after he had laid down his command." - Livy, History of
Rome 8.26


"O Jupiter Capitolinus, to You I pray, I entreat You, who the Roman
people have named Optimus after Your kindness and Maximus after Your
great power. And to You, O Juno Regina, guardian of the City of Rome.
O Minerva, You have always come to my aid with Your counsels, witness
to the existence of my works; And most especially to You, Penates, who
most of all has called me back, gods of my fathers and my family,
recalling me for the sake of your stations; And You who preside over
the City of Rome and the Republic, You I call to witness, You from
whose temple precincts and shrines did I repel the heinous and
destructive flames of impious duplicity; You also, Mother Vesta, I
pray to You, whose most chaste Vestales I have defended against
pillage and desecration by demented men; for their eternal flame I
could not allow to pass, extinguished in the blood of citizens, or
Your pure flame be intermingled with a conflagration sweeping the
entire city." - Cicero, De Domo sua ad Pontifices 144

"O Jupiter, it was through Your omen that I was led while I laid here
upon the Palatine Hill, to establish the very first foundations of the
city of Rome. Already the Arx, that fortress wickedly bought, is
seized by the Sabines, from whence they, with sword in hand, now
advance across the valley against us. But if You, Father of the Gods
and of men, hold back our enemies, at least from this spot, delivering
the Romans from their terror, and stay their shameful retreat, then
this I vow to You, Jupiter Stator, that a holy precinct and shrine
will be built in Your honor as a memorial to remind our descendents of
how once the city of Rome was saved by Your aid." - Livy, History of
Rome 1.12

Today begins a great three-day-long festival to Iuppiter, around which
the Ludi Plebii were celebrated. Iuppiter is the supreme god, also
called Iove. Originally a sky deity associated with rain and
agriculture, he developed into the great father god, prime protector
of the state, concerned, like the Greek Zeus (with whom he is
identified), with all aspects of life. At his temple on the Capitol,
triumphant generals honored him with their spoils and magistrates paid
homage to him with sacrifices. Iuppiter was the son of Saturn and Ops
and the brother and husband of Iuno. Some of his titles are:

1. Iuppiter Caelestis ("heavenly")
2. Iuppiter Fulgurator ("of the lightning")
3. Iuppiter Latarius ("God of Latium")
4. Iuppiter Lucetius ("of the light")
5. Iuppiter Pluvius ("sender of rain")
6. Iuppiter Stator ("who stands", from stare meaning "standing")
7. Iupiter Terminus or Jupiter Terminalus (defender of boundaries)
8. Iuppiter Tonans ("thunderer")
9. Iuppiter Victor (leading the Roman armies to victory)
10. Iuppiter Summanus (sender of nocturnal thunder)
11. Iuppiter Feretrius ("who carries away [the spoils of war]")

The largest temple in Rome was that of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus on the
Capitoline Hill. Here he was worshipped alongside Iuno and Minerva,
forming with them the Capitoline Triad. Temples to Iuppiter Optimus
Maximus or the Capitoline Triad as a whole were commonly built by the
Romans at the center of new cities in their colonies.


Valete bene!

Cato




SOURCES

Livy (http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/Liv2His.html),
Iuppiter (http://www.answers.com/topic/jupiter-god) and
(http://www.comfychair.org/~cmbell/myth/myth.html) and
(http://www.bartleby.com/65/ju/Jupiter.html)

HAHAHAHAHA!!

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> Salve Audens Sempronia (you have oo many names for me to sure which are
> the
> 'polite' ones)

Or: Mua ha ha...Mua ha ha ha ha ;-)

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HAHAHAHAHA!!


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> Salve Audens Sempronia (you have oo many names for me to sure which are
> the
> 'polite' ones)




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Well, I should point out that I only chose 3 of the names.

Vale,

Annia Minucia-Tiberia Audens Sempronia

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The problem is society is gosh-darn sensitive these
days.If I say call a spade,a spade. someone will read
into it,gasp & shout How Dare You!! Its silly.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <annia@...>
wrote:

> Salve,
>
> Yes, I agree that your posts were not anti-semitic.
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia-Tiberia Audens Sempronia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <me-in-@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] IT'S ENOUGH!
>
>
> The aggression was from her to me regarding one line

refering to possible

> political influence in a long tract comapring the

present hubbub about Islam

> with the Roman fear of Christians. There was no

'anti-Semitism', no attack

> on
> her until I told her her choice to take offense and

so silence the intended

> discussion was mistaken. I don't know what you mean

about a 'primitive'

> interpretation of history. I get mine from

historians, not from maniacs

> centuries after the events imagining supernatural

indpiration never found

> before
> in religious works. I notice ny extensive quote from

Rabbi Berger is

> missing.
> Was his opposition to Israel also 'anti-Semitic'?
>
>
>

S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

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--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mjk@...>
wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> In Roman times did each citizen within the city of

Rome and abroad in

> the provinces have to carry some sort of document to

prove he was a

> citizen? How did provincial civil sevants verify

this, especially when

> they caught some sort of brigand who would want to

cry, "Civis Romanus

> sum." to avoid flogging or going to the cross?
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
>
>
>

S P Q R

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No but perhaps they like to watch! Last I heard in Malayisia and
Singapore there were concerns about some foreign drug trafficers
schedualed to dance the New Gate polka.
Ah well, I sometimes like to watch demonstations and riots whilst
nursing a cold beer or spiced wine... mind you at a safe distance,
betting my sestaries on the outcomes. I must have some of that old
Roman spirit in me after all these centuries.

QSP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

>
> Doesnt the ACLU handle floggings and the like? Or is
> that Amnesty International?
> --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mjk@d...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > In Roman times did each citizen within the city of
> Rome and abroad in
> > the provinces have to carry some sort of document to
> prove he was a
> > citizen? How did provincial civil sevants verify
> this, especially when
> > they caught some sort of brigand who would want to
> cry, "Civis Romanus
> > sum." to avoid flogging or going to the cross?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> S P Q R
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> Marcvs Flavivs Fides
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Valetudo quod fortuna,

On 11/10/05, Sensei Phil Perez <senseiphil@...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Lets not forget who originally said:
>
> "love God with all your heart and treat your neighbor as you would be treated"
>
> Vires et honos,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus

Hammurabi?

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/


http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
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May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, S Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
<wend1066@g...> wrote:

>
> Valetudo quod fortuna,
>
> On 11/10/05, Sensei Phil Perez <senseiphil@n...> wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > Lets not forget who originally said:
> >
> > "love God with all your heart and treat your neighbor as you would

be treated"

> >
> > Vires et honos,
> > Marcus Cassius Philippus
>
> Hammurabi?
>

I don't know about that, but there is rent control there:

"121: If any one store corn in another man's house he shall pay him
storage at the rate of one gur for every five ka of corn per year. "

I'm sure the storage rate for five ka of corn is higher than one gur,
but by how much I cannot say. Does anyone have the gur/yen exchange
rate? I may need to store five ka of corn for about a year.

M. Lucr. Agricola

> =========================================
> In amicitia quod fides -
> Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
> Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor
>
> Religio Septentrionalis - Poet
>
> Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
>
>
> http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
> http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
>
> --
> May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
> May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
> May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
>

I thought CHAKA KHAN said that. or was it pre Bobby
Brown- Whitney?
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <wm_hogue@...>
wrote:

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, S Ullerius Venator

Piperbarbus

> <wend1066@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Valetudo quod fortuna,
> >
> > On 11/10/05, Sensei Phil Perez <senseiphil@n...>

wrote:

> > > Salvete,
> > >
> > > Lets not forget who originally said:
> > >
> > > "love God with all your heart and treat your

neighbor as you would

> be treated"
> > >
> > > Vires et honos,
> > > Marcus Cassius Philippus
> >
> > Hammurabi?
> >
>
> I don't know about that, but there is rent control

there:

>
> "121: If any one store corn in another man's house

he shall pay him

> storage at the rate of one gur for every five ka of

corn per year. "

>
> I'm sure the storage rate for five ka of corn is

higher than one gur,

> but by how much I cannot say. Does anyone have the

gur/yen exchange

> rate? I may need to store five ka of corn for about

a year.

>
> M. Lucr. Agricola
>
>
> > ========================
> =================
> > In amicitia quod fides -
> > Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
> > Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor
> >
> > Religio Septentrionalis - Poet
> >
> > Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
> >
> >
> > http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
> >
> > --
> > May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
> > May the Spirits of our family lines nod in

approval.

> > May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
> >
>
>
>
>

S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

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Salvete,

Professor Mary Beard, a previous ask the expert participant, recently
wrote a less than flattering critique on the way Rome is presented in
the media:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1604024,00.html

I highly enjoy the Rome HBO series, which I watch once I was told where
they were located on the internet. Anyways, is it acceptable that the
show panders to some stereotypes and has some historical inaccuracies,
while still taking us to that time period and be interesting for all
sorts of viewers? While not being an actual documentary, it has
displayed aspects of roman life and culture that arent in other movies
or shows. Im waiting more in anticipation for next season, the not
often depicted showdown between octavian and mark antony, than another
representation of caesars assassination.

Valete,
D. Claudius Aquilius Germanicus

Oorah, Rangers, too!

Hmmm that would be Roger's Rangers, yes? Correct me if I'm wrong, but
weren't they formed as part of the British Army during the French and
Indian War? Of course, that doesn't diminish their prestige or
accomplishments one bit- it can only add to their legacy of bravery and
battlefied achievements.

BTW- I was in the Army, too, following my enlistment in the Marine
Corps. Chemical Warfare Branch, 1985-92, 54B NBC Specialist, Rank of
Sergeant. Ft. McClellan, Ft. Lewis, Fulda-Germany, and Ft. Polk.

OORAH VETS EVERYWHERE

G Licinius Crassus


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> May I add that the Army Rangers were around BEFORE any other branch of
> service? Happy belated Veterans day, HOOAH! (The Army's always left
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Salvete omnes,

Yes the Roger Rangers were formed during the French Indian Wars.
There is a good movie with Spencer Tracy and Robert Young I have in
my film library called "North West Passage" which was quite advanced
for its time showing the horror and atrocities of those times.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

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<glcrassus@b...> wrote:

>
> Oorah, Rangers, too!
>
> Hmmm that would be Roger's Rangers, yes? Correct me if I'm wrong,

but

> weren't they formed as part of the British Army during the French

and

> Indian War? Of course, that doesn't diminish their prestige or
> accomplishments one bit- it can only add to their legacy of bravery

and

> battlefied achievements.
>
> BTW- I was in the Army, too, following my enlistment in the Marine
> Corps. Chemical Warfare Branch, 1985-92, 54B NBC Specialist, Rank

of

> Sergeant. Ft. McClellan, Ft. Lewis, Fulda-Germany, and Ft. Polk.
>
> OORAH VETS EVERYWHERE
>
> G Licinius Crassus
>
>
> raymond fuentes wrote:
>
> > May I add that the Army Rangers were around BEFORE any other

branch of

> > service? Happy belated Veterans day, HOOAH! (The Army's always

left

> > out, LOL_
> >
> > Gaius Licinius Crassus <glcrassus@b...> wrote:Salve omnes,
> >
> > I would add a big "Oorah!" to all brother Marines out there, on

this

> > most excellent day.
> >
> > Corporal, USMC 1981-84, 0811 Field Artillery
> > P.I., Lejeune, and Okinawa
> >
> > Semper Fi, Marines!
> >
> > G Licinius Crassus
> >
> > Gnaeus Equitius Marinus wrote:
> >
> > > Salvete omnes, et salve Cato,
> > >
> > > gaiusequitiuscato wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hodie est ante diem IV Idus Novembris; haec dies comitialis

est.

> > >
> > > And for the sake of completeness I will add that on this day in

1775

> > > (CE) the 2nd Continental Congress of the United Colonies of

North

> > > America resolved that two battalions of Marines should be

raised for

> > > service ashore and afloat. On this day US Marines everywhere

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Perhaps I could send them my handmade reproduction of an old-school
British Navy cat, huh?

GLC

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) wrote:

> No but perhaps they like to watch! Last I heard in Malayisia and
> Singapore there were concerns about some foreign drug trafficers
> schedualed to dance the New Gate polka.
> Ah well, I sometimes like to watch demonstations and riots whilst
> nursing a cold beer or spiced wine... mind you at a safe distance,
> betting my sestaries on the outcomes. I must have some of that old
> Roman spirit in me after all these centuries.
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> QSP
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>
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> > Doesnt the ACLU handle floggings and the like? Or is
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> > --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mjk@d...>
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> > prove he was a
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Salve Gai Licini,

Here is a brief but interesting synopsis of this RR unit:

http://www.rogersrangers.org/rogers/

Regards,

QSP

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Licinius Crassus
> <glcrassus@b...> wrote:
> >
> > Oorah, Rangers, too!
> >
> > Hmmm that would be Roger's Rangers, yes? Correct me if I'm

wrong,

> but
> > weren't they formed as part of the British Army during the

French

> and
> > Indian War? Of course, that doesn't diminish their prestige or
> > accomplishments one bit- it can only add to their legacy of

bravery

> and
> > battlefied achievements.
> >
> > BTW- I was in the Army, too, following my enlistment in the

Marine

> > Corps. Chemical Warfare Branch, 1985-92, 54B NBC Specialist,

Rank

> of
> > Sergeant. Ft. McClellan, Ft. Lewis, Fulda-Germany, and Ft. Polk.
> >
> > OORAH VETS EVERYWHERE
> >
> > G Licinius Crassus
> >
> >
> > raymond fuentes wrote:
> >
> > > May I add that the Army Rangers were around BEFORE any other
> branch of
> > > service? Happy belated Veterans day, HOOAH! (The Army's always
> left
> > > out, LOL_
> > >
> > > Gaius Licinius Crassus <glcrassus@b...> wrote:Salve omnes,
> > >
> > > I would add a big "Oorah!" to all brother Marines out there,

on

> this
> > > most excellent day.
> > >
> > > Corporal, USMC 1981-84, 0811 Field Artillery
> > > P.I., Lejeune, and Okinawa
> > >
> > > Semper Fi, Marines!
> > >
> > > G Licinius Crassus
> > >
> > > Gnaeus Equitius Marinus wrote:
> > >
> > > > Salvete omnes, et salve Cato,
> > > >
> > > > gaiusequitiuscato wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hodie est ante diem IV Idus Novembris; haec dies

comitialis

> est.
> > > >
> > > > And for the sake of completeness I will add that on this day

in

> 1775
> > > > (CE) the 2nd Continental Congress of the United Colonies of
> North
> > > > America resolved that two battalions of Marines should be
> raised for
> > > > service ashore and afloat. On this day US Marines

everywhere

> celebrate
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Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Idibus Novembribus; haec dies nefastus publicus est.

"This was followed almost immediately by a war with the Greeks on the
eastern coast. The Tarentines had encouraged the people of Palaeopolis
through their long resistance with vain hopes of succour, and when
they heard that the Romans had got possession of the place they
severely blamed the Palaeopolitans for leaving them in the lurch, as
though they were quite guiltless of having behaved in a similar manner
themselves. They were furious with the Romans, especially after they
found that the Lucanians and Apulians had established friendly
relations with them-for it was in this year that the alliance had been
formed-and they realised that they would be the next to be involved.
They saw that it must soon become a question of either fighting Rome
or submitting to her, and that their whole future in fact depended
upon the result of the Samnite war. That nation stood out alone, and
even their strength was inadequate for the struggle, now that the
Lucanians had abandoned them. They believed, however, that these could
still be brought back and induced to desert the Roman alliance, if
sufficient skill were shown in sowing the seeds of discord between
them. These arguments found general acceptance among a people who were
fickle and restless, and some young Lucanians, distinguished for their
unscrupulousness rather than for their sense of honour, were bribed to
make themselves tools of the war party. After scourging one another
with rods they presented themselves with their backs exposed, in the
popular Assembly, and loudly complained that after they had ventured
inside the Roman camp, they had been scourged by the consul's orders
and were within an ace of losing their heads. The affair had an ugly
look, and the visible evidence removed any suspicion of fraud. The
Assembly became greatly excited, and amidst loud shouts insisted upon
the magistrates convening the senate. When it assembled the senators
were surrounded by a crowd of spectators who clamoured for war with
Rome, whilst others went off into the country to rouse the peasantry
to arms. Even the coolest heads were carried away by the tumult of
popular feeling; a decree was passed that a fresh alliance should be
made with the Samnites, and negotiations were opened with them
accordingly. The Samnites did not feel much confidence in this sudden
and apparently groundless change of policy, and the Lucanians were
obliged to give hostages and allow the Samnites to garrison their
fortified places. Blinded by the imposition that had been practiced on
them and by their furious resentment at it, they made no difficulty
about accepting these terms. Shortly afterwards, when the authors of
the false charges had removed to Tarentum, they began to see how they
had been hoodwinked, but it was then too late, events were no longer
in their power, and nothing remained but unavailing repentance." -
Livy, History of Rome 8.27


"Vividi gaudens Feronia luco." - Vergil, Aeneid, viii.800

"His fractus ductor conuelli signa maniplis
optato laetis abitu iubet. itur in agros
diues ubi ante omnis colitur Feronia luco
et sacer umectat Flauinia rura Capenas." - Silius Italicus, Punica XIII.83

"Circaevmque ivgum circa hunc tractum Campaniae colebatur puer
Iuppiter, qui Anxyrus dicebatur, quasi aneu xurou, id est sine
novacula, quia barbam numquam rasisset, et Iuno virgo, quae Feronia
dicebatur. Est autem fons in Campania iuxta Terracinam, quae aliquando
Anxur est dicta." - Maurus Servius Honoratus, Commentary on the Aeneid
of Vergil 7.799

"Feronia was the ancient goddess of the market-place and fairs. This
would, as a matter of course, identify her with, and make her the
patron of, all strolling characters who frequent such places. But as
she had temples in Etruria, it is possible that she was common to both
races. The ancients were at a loss where to place her among the
deities; she appears, however, to be a goddess of the earth, and
allied to Mania. But what is most important of all for my purpose is
that she was feared, and that people brought her offerings. She often
appeared as an old woman who went about begging in the country, yet
she always had a gran pulitica--that is, she was intelligent or shrewd
or very cunning in manners--and, as one would have believed, she was a
witch. All who gave her alms were very fortunate, and their affairs
prospered. And if people could give her nothing because of their
poverty, when they returned home after the sun rose (dopo chiaro) they
found abundant gifts--enough to support all the family--so that
henceforth all went well with them; but if any who were rich gave her
nothing, and had evil hearts, she cursed them...The incident of the
begging, and the elegant style and distinguished air indicate a
character like that of Juno and Ceres combined." - C.G. Leland,
"Etruscan Roman Remains in Popular Tradition", ch. III p. 55

"At or near Feronia was a celebrated temple to the goddess of that
name, which, like many ancient shrines, stood in a thick grove — Lucus
Feroniae. She seems to have been identical with Proserpine, and was
worshipped by the Sabines, and Latins, as well as by the Etruscans.
Hither, on yearly festivals, pilgrims resorted in great numbers from
the surrounding country, many to perform vows and offer sacrifice —
and those who were possessed with the spirit of the goddess, walked
with naked feet over heaps of burning coal and ashes, without
receiving injury — and many merchants, artisans, and husbandmen,
taking advantage of the concourse, brought their goods hither for
sale, so that the market or fair held here was more splendid than any
other in Italy. From the numerous first-fruits, and other gifts
offered to the goddess, her shrine became renowned for its riches, and
was decorated with abundance of gold and silver. But it was despoiled
by Hannibal on his march through Italy. It was however maintained
till the fall of paganism in the fourth century. That the temple
itself stood on a height seems probable from the fact, mentioned by
Livy, of its being struck by lightning." - G. Dennis, "The Cities and
Cemeteries of Etruria", ch. 10

"These incidents led to his [Hannibal] withdrawal from Rome, and he
retired as far as the river Tutia, six miles distant from the City.
From there he marched to the grove of Feronia and the temple, which
was celebrated in those days for its wealth. The people of Capena and
other cities round used to bring their first-fruits and other
offerings, according to their ability, and they had also embellished
it with a considerable quantity of gold and silver. Now the temple was
despoiled of all its treasures. Great heaps of metal, where the
soldiers, struck by remorse, had thrown pieces of uncoined brass, were
found there after Hannibal's departure. All writers are agreed as to
the plundering of this temple. Coelius tell us that Hannibal diverted
his march to it while he was going from Eretum to Rome, after marching
from Amiternum by Reate and Cutiliae." - Livy, History of Rome 26.11

"After this war another arose against the Romans on the part of the
Sabine nation, the beginning and occasion of which was this. There is
a sanctuary, honoured in common by the Sabines and the Latins, that is
held in the greatest reverence and is dedicated to a goddess named
Feronia; some of those who translate the name into Greek call her
Anthophoros or "Flower Bearer," others Philostephanos or "Lover of
Garlands," and still others Persephone. To this sanctuary people used
to resort from the neighbouring cities on the appointed days of
festival, many of them performing vows and offering sacrifice to the
goddess and many with the purpose of trafficking during the festive
gathering as merchants, artisans and husbandmen; and here were held
fairs more celebrated than in any other places in Italy." - Dionysus
of Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities 3.32


Today is the second day of the three-day festival to Iuppiter, and is
held in honor of both him and the goddess Feronia. Since Iuppiter is
a pretty well-known deity, I am focussing on Feronia. Feronia is a
difficult goddess to identify; some sources claim that she is an
aspect of Iuno, or Ceres/Persephone, or both. She is also called the
"mother of the nymphs of Campania" by Servius (Commentary on the
Aeneid, 8.564), and Varro places her in the group of Sabine goddesses
("Feronia, Minerva, Novensides, a Sabinis." - de Lingua Latina V.74).
At Rome Feronia had a grove and later a temple in the Campus Martius;
the latter is attested only in the calendars. Since her cult at Rome
is curiously placed in the middle of the Plebeian Games, it was
probably older than they were, and it could go back to a primitive
fair, as at Lucus Feroniae. It is first mentioned at Rome when
expiatory offerings were ordered by the Sibylline in 217 BC: they were
extended even to the freedwomen (libertiinae), who according to their
ability had to contribute money for a gift to Feronia, while freewomen
(matronae) contributed to Iuno Regina on the Aventine, Though perhaps
originally an agricultural goddess (she received an offering of the
first-fruits of the season at Lucus Feroniae), she appears to have
acquired a special association with freemen and granting freedom to
slaves. In explaining her name Varro also called her Libertas,
"Libertatem deam dicit, Feroniam quasi Fidoniam", and an inscription
on a seat in her temple at Terracina, where freedman received the cap
of freedom (pilleus) on their shaved heads, runs "Let the deserving
sit down as slaves and rise as freemen" ("Bene meriti servi sedeant,
surgant liberi"). It appears that at Terracina slaves could take
sanctuary at her altar: this would be a Greek rather than a Roman custom.


This is probably also the "dies natalis" of a temple of Pietas
(Piety), since Pietas is mentioned with Fortuna Primigenia in a
inscription of the second century A.D. Her temple in the Forum
Holitorium was vowed by M. Acilius Glabrio at Thermolpylae (191) and
dedicated by his son ten years later. In it was a gilded statue of the
father, the first of its kind in Rome.The temple was destroyed in 44
B.C. to make room for the Theatre of Marcellus. One aspect of Pietas
was the relationship of parent and children, and this temple was
connected with the (Greek) story of a daughter who supplied her
imprisoned father or mother with her own milk. The connection may have
arisen from the nearby Columna (Lactaria), where infants in need of
milk were brought.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy, Feronia (http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/err/index.htm), Feronia
texts (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/) and A. Gryllo Graeco (NR)
(http://www.novaroma.org/forum/mainlist/2000/2000-11-13.html)

Valetudo quod fortuna omnes,

As a veteran and a "Flamen Privatus," I held a small ritual to honor
the US Veterans' Day yesterday with some friends, 3/4ths of whom
served.

Long ago, a formwer friend passed on a bit of wisdom: the warrior is
one who is willing to bear the Burden of shielding his people rom
harm.

I have written quite a bit on that theme.

This is the poem I read, which was written for Veterans' Day 4 years ago.

On Those Who Bore the Burden

To those who have, the Burden borne
For Folk and Land, and Honor's sake
We give our thanks, on Holy Day
Remembrance of, the Duty done

In cold and rain, through coal black night
In heat and wind, neath furnace sun
The Warrior, is always there
To stand and watch, o'er Home and Hearth

When bugles blare, sounding the Charge
They go to fight, and perhaps, die
Beating back fear, and going forth
Tis duty done, tis duty done

And if they fall, in faring forth
They're laid to rest, by friend or foe
With solemn nod, and solemn word
And then, perhaps, with solemn Call

After Duty, is fairly done
They venture Home, to Kin embrace
Sometimes to cheers, sometimes quiet
This lessens not, their Honored Name

And in their work, after service
They still guard weal, by building lives
By building homes, and families
Continuing, continuing

We who live free, because of them
Who sacrificed, and bled, and wept
Who duty did, and honor gained
Recall their Deeds, recall their Names

To those who have, the Burden borne
For Folk and Land, and Honor's sake
We give our thanks, on Holy Day
Remembrance of, the Duty done

----------------

Though the societies may have been different, or the national
politics, or other motivations; I share this one thing with the other
Veterans of the world, we bore the Burden.

Thank you my brothers and sisters in arms, for this I salute you.

Steven P. Robinson
Pvt - Army National Guard 1975 - 1979
SSgt - US Air Force Reserve 1982 - 1991

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
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http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/

--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

Salve Romans

Can someone tell me who has the original artwork of the Nova Roman Flag.
I need a copy on disk as I am trying to have some new flags made in a 3 by 5 format ( modern flag).
Some of these will have one side correct and others will be correct on both sides. It just depends on cost.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salvete

Unfortunately, this year, the Provincia Hispania have not obtained the necessary sponsor to print the calendars for the next year.

Valete

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----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:47 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Calenders


Salvete

Does Provinica Hispania plan on selling calenders again for the upcoming year?

If so, I (and I am sure many others) would like to buy one again.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa


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How much would it cost?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salvete

Unfortunately, this year, the Provincia Hispania have not obtained the necessary sponsor to print the calendars for the next year.

Valete

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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:47 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Calenders


Salvete

Does Provinica Hispania plan on selling calenders again for the upcoming year?

If so, I (and I am sure many others) would like to buy one again.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa


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Salve

7) All of them, save one whou would had became the ancestor of teh
cunctator, were killed while fighting in a war against Veius

8) He betrayed Priamus out of envy for Alexander, and was therefore
granted leave from the city

9) Acron, of the Caeninians, Tolumnius of the Veians and Viromarus (or
Viridomarus), king of the Gauls.

Valete

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus

Founder of Gens Constantinia
Tribunus Plebis
Aedilis Urbis Iterum

Salve

In what seem to be a private game between Tita Artoria Marcella and
Titus Iulius Sabinus, this is the current Ranking, by number of
correct answers:

6 - Tita Artoria Marcella, Titus Iulius Sabinus
1 - Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

valete

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus

Founder of Gens Constantinia
Tribunus Plebis
Aedilis Urbis Iterum

M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

It pleases me to see such activity within the Res Publica. C.
Vipsanius Agrippa very recently and now the notice below.


This reminds me of a recent thought I had, after re-reading messages
from about three years ago. The thread started off with number 5593
and another thread started at 5602.


To summarize, the issue was the difficulty in obtaining Nova Roma
coins and one suggestion was that provincial governors should act as
distribution points. The difficulty was real, and not just for Nova
Roma citizens. I don't mean to point fingers when I report to you that
collectors outside of Nova Roma in general have a very bad opinion of
us. This is because of their experiences with obtaining the original
coins. Now that there is some rumor that coins may be produced again,
and seeing that attracting collector interest has several benefits for
the Res Publica, it is well that the issue of distribution be brought
up again.


It is my hope that private merchants, I mean our Equestrians, will
obtain supplies of any new coins or proof coins for resale. The coins
are at present backed by the Treasury at a rate of fifty US cents,
Like with any circulating currency, it is a private matter at what
price a buyer chooses to obtain numismatic items. For example, I have
some very nice solid silver "Kennedy" half dollars. I believe that the
collector value of these is more than fifty cents, but their value in
commerce is simply the fifty cent face value.

If coins are produced in the Americas, for example, a retailer based
in Europe might obtain a supply and sell them at a half a Euro each.
Now that is a bit more than half a US dollar, but a buyer in Europe
may prefer the quicker delivery and lower shipping costs of the
European seller, even at the slightly higher price. I repeat that this
would in no way interfere with the Treasury backing rate of fifty US
cents.

It would further be my hope that in view of the service to the Res
Publica that they provide, that the merchants would be charged no fees
for sales of any coins. Of course, if any civil officials care to act
as distribution points for any future coins, that would not be
precluded. I'm thinking here of governors, for example, who obtain
supplied for distribution at regional gatherings.

Additionally, I see no reason why the Res Publica should have to busy
itself with many small direct transactions. Let us encourage our
Equestrians and our civil officers by not putting them in direct
competition with the state.


In short, if future coins are produced I hope that there will be many
distributors and that a free market model will be used.





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...> wrote:

>
> Salve Romans
>
> Can someone tell me who has the original artwork of the Nova Roman

Flag.

> I need a copy on disk as I am trying to have some new flags made in

a 3 by 5 format ( modern flag).

> Some of these will have one side correct and others will be correct

on both sides. It just depends on cost.

>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve,

the last year the cost was of 3000 euro (3500 US $) aprox.

Vale optime

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----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Calenders


Salve M CVR·COMPLVTENSIS<mailto:complutensis@...>

How much would it cost?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Calenders


Salvete

Unfortunately, this year, the Provincia Hispania have not obtained the necessary sponsor to print the calendars for the next year.

Valete

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----- Original Message -----
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To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:47 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Calenders


Salvete

Does Provinica Hispania plan on selling calenders again for the upcoming year?

If so, I (and I am sure many others) would like to buy one again.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa


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Questions for the 4th day of the Ludii (answers within midnight, Rome time):

10) How did the Romans solved the problem of the self-sustaining
weight of Panetho's dome? More precisely, how they managed to avoid
the dome collapsing undr its own weight?

11) How was called the excavation in which, at a later stage, would
had found their place the various layers that composed a typical roman
"Via"?

12) How was called the raised level on which temples were usually
placed upon and following which model the romans used that solution?

Valete

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus

Founder of Gens Constantinia
Tribunus Plebis
Aedilis Urbis Iterum

Salve M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS


Here is an Idea. You could franchise the calendars out. Say I was willing to invest toward the $3500. I would get the calendars and I would be able to sell them in say North America. Other Citizens could get Spain and Portugal, others Italy, or South America ect or by NR province. What do you think?


vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salve,

the last year the cost was of 3000 euro (3500 US $) aprox.

Vale optime

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----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Calenders


Salve M CVR·COMPLVTENSIS<mailto:complutensis@...>

How much would it cost?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Calenders


Salvete

Unfortunately, this year, the Provincia Hispania have not obtained the necessary sponsor to print the calendars for the next year.

Valete

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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:47 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Calenders


Salvete

Does Provinica Hispania plan on selling calenders again for the upcoming year?

If so, I (and I am sure many others) would like to buy one again.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa


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Salve,
You wrote:

> Unfortunately, this year, the Provincia Hispania have not obtained

the necessary sponsor to print the calendars for the next year.
Would that be monetary, or would it be an organization TO print the
calendars?
If it is monetarysponsorship you need, I urge all here to "Dono Dare"
ASAP.
Vale,

Vespasianus

Salvete Omnes,
perhaps I need to direct this question to those of the Equestrian
Order.
I was wondering firstly if there is any current place that sells
togas, or the material for togas.
Secondly, I was wondering if we could start selling these things
through Nova Roma.
This is my wish for all other Roman articles--from authentic
reproductions of helmets, to of course the coins (on-going debate
there), to sandals, tunics, etc.
Valete omnes,

Vespasianus

Salvete omnes,

With regards to selling merchandise, we are no longer in the 50's or
60's where everything takes 4-6 weeks for delivery. The public is
more demanding today and they want their merchandise like YESTERDAY
or RIGHT AWAY. As an example, I hardly visit book stores anymore
since a book I order on line that isn't in the stores usually appears
in 2 or three days; my step daughter and her friends do well on Ebay
but they are on top of orders all the time and have them shipped off
the same day they are paid leaving very haooy customers.

When running a business, one has to give it 100% and personal
problems of any sort must be put on the back burner or make sure
there are others who can take over and keep things going temporarily.
The friends and family will have a great deal of sympathy for your
troubles but your creditors, customers and taxman couldn't care less.
Failure to do this always always spells the end of the business from
what I have observed since customers consider you unreliable and move
on to someone else.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

Salve Vespasianus,

The website you want to check out is www.lawrensnest.com They have everything your looking for and if you don't see it, they'll get it for you. At very affordable pricing. No... I don't get a royalty ;-)

Vires et honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

----- Original Message -----
From: vespasian72001
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Toga query


Salvete Omnes,
perhaps I need to direct this question to those of the Equestrian
Order.
I was wondering firstly if there is any current place that sells
togas, or the material for togas.
Secondly, I was wondering if we could start selling these things
through Nova Roma.
This is my wish for all other Roman articles--from authentic
reproductions of helmets, to of course the coins (on-going debate
there), to sandals, tunics, etc.
Valete omnes,

Vespasianus





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How true!

----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: New NR Flags, distribution of coins


Salvete omnes,

With regards to selling merchandise, we are no longer in the 50's or
60's where everything takes 4-6 weeks for delivery. The public is
more demanding today and they want their merchandise like YESTERDAY
or RIGHT AWAY. As an example, I hardly visit book stores anymore
since a book I order on line that isn't in the stores usually appears
in 2 or three days; my step daughter and her friends do well on Ebay
but they are on top of orders all the time and have them shipped off
the same day they are paid leaving very haooy customers.

When running a business, one has to give it 100% and personal
problems of any sort must be put on the back burner or make sure
there are others who can take over and keep things going temporarily.
The friends and family will have a great deal of sympathy for your
troubles but your creditors, customers and taxman couldn't care less.
Failure to do this always always spells the end of the business from
what I have observed since customers consider you unreliable and move
on to someone else.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus





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C. Equitius Cato Vespasiano S.P.D.

Salve Vespasianus.

There is an excellent supplier of togas called La Wren's Nest; their
website is located here:

http://www.lawrensnest.com

I have purchased from them, and the quality and style are excellent.
I would highly recommend them. I'm not sure if there would be a need
to get another supplier, but as mentioned before we might want to
encourage as many merchandisers as possible to be involved with the
Republic.

Vale bene,

Cato

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> Salvete Omnes,
> perhaps I need to direct this question to those of the Equestrian
> Order.
> I was wondering firstly if there is any current place that sells
> togas, or the material for togas.
> Secondly, I was wondering if we could start selling these things
> through Nova Roma.
> This is my wish for all other Roman articles--from authentic
> reproductions of helmets, to of course the coins (on-going debate
> there), to sandals, tunics, etc.
> Valete omnes,
>
> Vespasianus
>

Salvete omnes

With the Christmachanukwanalia season approaching, gift buying is in full swing.

If you want to order something for under the tree or aluminum pole, your order must be in by November 22nd (for shipping locations in the US). The date for regular mail has passed for European customers and Canadians have until December 9th. If your deadline has passed you can still place your order but there will be an extra charge for delivery (with Xpresspost or air mail).

If you don't care about the delivery date, the shipping rates remain the same.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa


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Salvete, omnes:

> We should not infer, though, that Hindus and Buddhists have never
> engaged in total war or other indiscriminate killing.

It was not common, whatever, if caused by religion; and this is my
discussion point. A war by religion has no sense in Hinduist
and Buddhist religions. These are not proselitist religions.

Ok, on the four kingdoms age chinese people killed between themselves.
Japanese has been killing between themselves since the born of Japan, and
have attaked to Corea and other countries in the past.

In Sri Lanka there thas been some ethnic civil wars also. And in Vietnam
and Birmania.

Anyway, I can not find proselitism as a merit in any of the core
teachings of neither of two religions. Christianity and Islam _do_ say
that proselitism is a merit.

This is _really_ important; because my comentary is based on this
fact. And It matters if you look to Roma, and from
Roma to here. In Roma mentality, proselitism was not a merit. That's why
forgeiner deities were respected meanwhile the adepts of these cults
maintained respect for Roma deities.

I can not renember exactly in what part of Japanese history Sinto people
begin a campain "convert to Sinto or die". I can not renember exactly in
what part of Japanese history Budist people begin a campain "convert to
budism or die". The same in China between Confucians, Taoists and Budists,
and the same in India between Hindu and Budhist people. I have _lots_ of
examples of "convert to Crist or die" wars in Europe and in America. That
is the point.

By the other side, etnic wars are _not_ religious wars. It is a
completly different beast. Some of the wars that has been comented between
non-proselitist cults (and you have comented) are, in fact, etnic wars.

Let's look in Roma for an example that kind of wars. What the people
would say if I say "Roman people invaded Galia because they want druid
cult followers to convert to Jupiter cult?" This has no sense, because
that was an etnic war.

Returning to my message, what I said in other words is that "Nearly all
the wars in Buddist and Hindu countries were etnic wars or civil wars, but
those religions have no caused neither a great war neither mass
exterminations by the religion itself.".

In fact, I thing that religious wars are a strage beast. Historically,
the most of the religions have not had that problem. Think on Roman gods,
east religions (like Isis or Cibeles cult), druid cult, and those
politeist religions.


Yours:

Lucius

Salvete

I too would love to have another calendar for next year- I have found it
invaluable.

S Pontius Pilatus Barbatus



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Salve M CVR.COMPLVTENSIS<mailto:complutensis@...>

How much would it cost?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salvete

Unfortunately, this year, the Provincia Hispania have not obtained the
necessary sponsor to print the calendars for the next year.

Valete

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Salvete

Does Provinica Hispania plan on selling calenders again for the
upcoming year?

If so, I (and I am sure many others) would like to buy one again.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa


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Valetudo quod fortuna Lucius

Good points in your observations about intertribal warfare throughout history.

Religion is, in my observation, only one component of any culture. It
can be a very important, perhaps overwhelming, part, which drives
certain behaviors (such as the Aztec campaigns to gain sacrificcial
victims, the slayings of Heathen Anglo-Saxons by Charlemagne, pogroms
against Jews at various times and places and such like).

But, like you, I think that most strife is over more prosaic reasons:
land and resources, or sometimes, simple hatred of those different and
thought to pose a threat.

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> Let's look in Roma for an example that kind of wars. What the

people

> would say if I say "Roman people invaded Galia because they want

druid

> cult followers to convert to Jupiter cult?" This has no sense,

because

> that was an etnic war.
>
>

Salvete omnes,

but religion was tied in:

"Prior to the Christian Era, Egypt, Greece, and Rome, along with
most of the rest of the world, were pantheisticpolytheistic (not
pantheistic) societies. Each family had their household gods, each
city or other place had its special gods, and nations might have
their own gods. It was tradition and in many places law to show
respect to local gods when visiting. To enter Athens and refuse to
show respect to Athena was tantamount to a declaration of personal
enmity to the city and its people.

Strict Monotheism enters the picture with Akhenaten (1364-1347 BC),
Pharaoh of Egypt. He proclaimed that there was no god but Aten (Ra),
and ordered all references to other gods in the kingdom demolished
or excised, forbidding even the use of the plural form of their word
for god. Since this had the effect of uniting all religious
authority in the Pharaoh and the side-effect of impounding all the
wealth of the other temples to his personal use, it is possible that
non-religious factors played a part in his conversion. After
Akhenaten's death Egypt reverted to pantheistic practice.

Shortly after the death of Akhenaten and also out of Egypt came
monotheistic Judaism under Moses, its first great rule-giver. Among
the ten commandments of the new religion was one that forbade
absolutely any show of respect for any other god than its one true
god. When Imperial Rome extended its reach to their area, varous
conflicts arose. Judaism had generally been tolerant of non-Jews
worshipping their own gods in private in Jewish territory, but
Jewish leaders were divided in their response to the requirements of
Roman Law. Sadducees believed that some participation in Roman
public cults was acceptable, while Pharisees forbade any contact.
Imperial Rome at first exempted Jews from the requirement to
participate in public cults, though this exemption was removed in
the Christian Era.

Another religious persecution undertaken by the Roman Republic
involved Julius Caesar's conquest of Gaul. Caesar identified the
Druids as a source of Celtic hostility to Rome and to Roman
civilisation, and accordingly undertook their eradication. He gives
a mostly unflattering albeit grudgingly respectful account of the
Druids in his Gallic Wars; his account of their human sacrifices
seems likely to have been exaggerated. He may have been motivated in
part to invade the island of Britain at least in part to eliminate a
stronghold of Druidism, and the later Roman author Tacitus gives a
dramatic account of an assault on the island of Anglesey, a Druid
stronghold.

Out of Judaism came Christianity, which because it was strictly
monotheistic and also encouraged conversion was a much more powerful
threat to the established pantheistic order than had been Judaism.
The Jewish exemption from the requirement to participate in public
cults was lifted and the anti-monotheistic religious persecution of
the Christians began under Nero."

Wikpedia


A lot of political and personal greed is behind the religious wars.
The Koran mentions a forced conversion is a bad conversion, Jesus
told his followers to spread the good news and for those that would
hear none of it, just kick the dust of the town off your sandals and
move on. Nothing was taught about crusades, wiping out other
religions etc.

Regards,

QSP

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes.

Misery loves company, so here we go:


"War is enjoined against the infidels." - the Holy Qu'ran, Surah II.215

"And say not of those who are slain in fight for the religion of God,
that they are dead; yea they are living, but ye do not understand." -
ibid. II.155

"They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so
that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them
friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn
back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take
not from among them a friend or a helper." - IV.89

"When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make
firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those
who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every
fingertip of them." - ibid. VIII.12

"Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief, what is now
past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they have already
before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till
strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's."- VIII.39-42

"Oh True believers, wage war against such of the infidels as are near
you." - ibid. IX.124

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find
them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for
them." - ibid. IX.5

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal
rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." - ibid.
IX.73

"When ye encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads until ye
have made a great slaughter among them." - ibid. XLVII.4


So much for Islam. How about Judaism? Well:

"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their
fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not
seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether
small or great, whether man or woman." - 2 Chronicles 15:12-13

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you
that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens
astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you
must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove
that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack
that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all
the livestock." - Deuteronomy 13:13-15


It seems that Christianity, alone among the three great monotheistic
religions, does not actually advocate the wholesale slaughter of
non-believers. I am NOT saying that Christians have not in fact
slaughtered --- it's only too historically true; ONLY that nowhere in
the New Testament are Christians instructed to kill, as the Jews and
Moslems are.

Valete,

Cato

Salvete, Omnes:

> but religion was tied in:

(...)

> Another religious persecution undertaken by the Roman Republic
> involved Julius Caesar's conquest of Gaul. Caesar identified the
> Druids as a source of Celtic hostility to Rome and to Roman
> civilisation, and accordingly undertook their eradication. He gives
> a mostly unflattering albeit grudgingly respectful account of the
> Druids in his Gallic Wars; his account of their human sacrifices
> seems likely to have been exaggerated. He may have been motivated in
> part to invade the island of Britain at least in part to eliminate a
> stronghold of Druidism, and the later Roman author Tacitus gives a
> dramatic account of an assault on the island of Anglesey, a Druid
> stronghold.

:-?

I was ironic when I talked about religious war on the conquest of
Galiae.

Let's see some facts:


From the age of the roman kings to the republican Rome, the only time
that Roma city has been sieged, defeated, plundered and burned was by
Gallii.

That defeat was in the imaginery of Roman people during ages: Suplicius,
the consular tribune that lost the battle for defending Rome, gave his
name to a deffinition of "suffering and torture", and in modern times some
Romanic languages keeps the word "suplicio" with that meaning.

The next year, the Pontifex declarated that days (Postridie idus
Quintiles) as dies atri. Postridie idus quintiles wasn't dies atri before
the plunder of Rome.

The eigty older and wiser patricians stayed on their curules chairs on
the forum, waiting for the dead for cleaning the guilt of Rome. Gallii
thought that they were statues when they arriveds the forum. They were
killed when one of the Gallii touched M. Papirio's white beard, and
discovered that they were living beings.

All the moruments, registers, books were destroyied. Most wise men
died, and the economy colapsed. The most optimistics evaluations says
that Roma needed 50 years to return to the ecomical and
political normality. Roma also had to reconquest the whole italic
peninsulae.

All the Roman strategy and organization of the army changed the following
years.

The Gallii atacked 30 years later, and atacked again and again until
Julius Caesar won the Galiae war.

The only exit by land for Roman in that land passed by Gallii land.

Galiae was strategical due to the agrary work that can be done there.
Grain was scarce and expensive, and Ostia port was saturated.

Gallii is a contraction for Gal Proelium.


Druid religion was practiced in Galia in particular and in the whole
roman empire as general during centuries, and it can be found druids
until Teodosius imperator. The prosecution of the druids began with
Teodosius.



The only druids that were killed on the republic were Gallii's druid.
The only Gallii druid that were killed was during the war. The druids take
part actively on the military welfare on celtic tribes. Druid was a celtic
priest of celtic religion; and in all the places of the republic and the
empire were celtic were assimilated, druid existed before, during and
after gallii war.

Druids made a really important role on celtic wellfare, and participated
on the battlefield operations. A celtic druid was not all this new-age
stuff that we see on TV, and it is not that Panoramix stuff. The most of
high-rank gallii druids were also warlords (see Diviciacus, as an
example). The druids in republic age did not taugh the celtic "how to be
one with gaia". They taught strategy, tactical wellfare and battlefield
and weapon techniques. They taught history and myths of the tribe, and
those that were not warlords worked as ambassors between warlods.



War of Galiae of Julius Caesar is a beatiful piece of Julius Caesar
propaganda about the heroicity of Julius Caesar.

What makes me to do the follolwing deductions:

On Julius Caesar's time, galii was the geopolitical enemy of Rome.

The area of expansion of Rome passed by Galiae.

The economical and geopolitical interest passed by controling Galiae.

Rome as city has some debts to fix with Galii. Revenge is great.

Julius Caesar has a strong interest on give information about how brave,
rude and savage the galii were. And roman imaginery also pointed in that
direction due to the point before. From here come the "horrors" of Gallii
rites telled by Julius Caesar.

Only were killed druids if they were gauls. Non-gauls druids do not were
killed, no matter than all the celtics druids practice the same religion.
After the war, no more gauls druids were killed.

The active part of Gallii druids on welfare explains by itself why Julius
Caesar didn't liked too much gallii druids: they taught how to fight
eficienty, were warlords or coordinate and unite different warlords. They
were the leaders. It is normal that in war times Julius attacked to the
head of the enemy.

Druid religion was heavily prosecuted by christians (in some parts of
the former empire, during the begining of the middle age), what means
that did not dissapear on the empire.


Yours:

Lucius Cornelius Malacitanus

And no doubt, as Robert Frost put it 'And that has made all the difference' :)

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Future. Have you seen it? It sometimes disguises itself as a good-looking
quarterly bottom line, derived by closing the R&D Department" - Frank
Zappa

A **Spade** . How dare you use such racist terms in a multimacronational and no
boubt multiracial forum! I shall be reporting you to - well, anything I can
think to report you to.
Caesaroensis in the Dugeon of the Highest.

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Future. Have you seen it? It sometimes disguises itself as a good-looking
quarterly bottom line, derived by closing the R&D Department" - Frank
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> I don't know about that, but there is rent control there:
>
> "121: If any one store corn in another man's house he shall pay him
> storage at the rate of one gur for every five ka of corn per year. "
>
> I'm sure the storage rate for five ka of corn is higher than one gur,
> but by how much I cannot say. Does anyone have the gur/yen exchange
> rate? I may need to store five ka of corn for about a year.
>
> M. Lucr. Agricola
>

I think Hillel is said to have got there first. Most annoyingly, I got hold of a
bible claiming 'English for Today' to find it not merely childish language but
has translated (I assume) the measurements into Standard International Metric.
I don't immediate relate to that system anyway but far more important is that
many numbers obviously have ritual significance and lose meaning if the
relations between various measures are lost. If something is 12 Cubits long
there may be a meaning in 12, like one for each tribe. Make that - what, about 5
metres? - and so much for what may have been meant at the time. I still want a
really good bilingual cross-referenced Doué though.

"THE VERY BIG STUPID is a thing which breeds by eating The
Future. Have you seen it? It sometimes disguises itself as a good-looking
quarterly bottom line, derived by closing the R&D Department" - Frank
Zappa

I see your point. Buddhism is a proselytising religion but never by force. That
would completely contradict the idea. In Tibet it began a horrible campaign
aganist the Bon shamans but that was after it was well established - like the
Christian Inquisition. In any case, Buddhism in Tibet is a very strange business
all round that sometimes looks like black magic. I am not so sure that Islam
intended first to convert. Arabs wanted to conquer places more civilised than
their own but they were forbidden to proselytisse Jews, Christians and
'Sabaeans' - probably Parsees but somebody else claimed it first. That shows
even the first Caliphs did not know who these Sabaeans were. If a religion has a
War God it follows it has wars!

But it never makes sense for either believers in many gods or believers that
everything is God to force their views on others. Many gods can always add more
and Hinduism can do that better than most by multiple incarnations as well, and
everything God means nobody cannot in some way be recognising God even if only
in part. As far as I know, Hindus cover both, Buddhists do too but don't think
much of the gods, and Sufis can approach the 'all is Divine' view. Maybe they
descend from these 'Sabaeans' since they started in the right area!
Caesariensis

>
> Salvete, omnes:
>
> > We should not infer, though, that Hindus and Buddhists have never
> > engaged in total war or other indiscriminate killing.
>
> It was not common, whatever, if caused by religion; and this is my
> discussion point. A war by religion has no sense in Hinduist
> and Buddhist religions. These are not proselitist religions.
>
> Ok, on the four kingdoms age chinese people killed between themselves.
> Japanese has been killing between themselves since the born of Japan, and
> have attaked to Corea and other countries in the past.
>
> In Sri Lanka there thas been some ethnic civil wars also. And in Vietnam
> and Birmania.
>
> Anyway, I can not find proselitism as a merit in any of the core
> teachings of neither of two religions. Christianity and Islam _do_ say
> that proselitism is a merit.
>
> This is _really_ important; because my comentary is based on this
> fact. And It matters if you look to Roma, and from
> Roma to here. In Roma mentality, proselitism was not a merit. That's why
> forgeiner deities were respected meanwhile the adepts of these cults
> maintained respect for Roma deities.
>
> I can not renember exactly in what part of Japanese history Sinto people
> begin a campain "convert to Sinto or die". I can not renember
> exactly in what part of Japanese history Budist people begin a campain "
> ;convert to budism or die". The same in China between Confucians,
> Taoists and Budists, and the same in India between Hindu and Budhist people.
> I have _lots_ of examples of "convert to Crist or die" wars in
> Europe and in America. That is the point.
>
> By the other side, etnic wars are _not_ religious wars. It is a
> completly different beast. Some of the wars that has been comented between
> non-proselitist cults (and you have comented) are, in fact, etnic wars.
>
> Let's look in Roma for an example that kind of wars. What the people
> would say if I say "Roman people invaded Galia because they want druid
> cult followers to convert to Jupiter cult?" This has no sense, because
> that was an etnic war.
>
> Returning to my message, what I said in other words is that "Nearly all
> the wars in Buddist and Hindu countries were etnic wars or civil wars, but
> those religions have no caused neither a great war neither mass
> exterminations by the religion itself.".
>
> In fact, I thing that religious wars are a strage beast. Historically,
> the most of the religions have not had that problem. Think on Roman gods,
> east religions (like Isis or Cibeles cult), druid cult, and those
> politeist religions.
>
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Future. Have you seen it? It sometimes disguises itself as a good-looking
quarterly bottom line, derived by closing the R&D Department" - Frank
Zappa

> for god. Since this had the effect of uniting all religious
> authority in the Pharaoh and the side-effect of impounding all the
> wealth of the other temples to his personal use, it is possible that
> non-religious factors played a part in his conversion. After
> Akhenaten's death Egypt reverted to pantheistic practice.
>
> Shortly after the death of Akhenaten and also out of Egypt came
> monotheistic Judaism under Moses, its first great rule-giver. Among
> the ten commandments of the new religion was one that forbade
> absolutely any show of respect for any other god than its one true
> god. When Imperial Rome extended its reach to their area, varous

And if these two things are not linked (Freud concluded Moses was Akhnaton but I
wouldn't go that far. Still, his name at court was probably Atonmoshe) then its
pure coincidence that clouds like to gather wherever it's raining :)
Caesariensis

"God created man and man created God. So is it in the world. Men make
gods and they worship their creations. If would be fitting for the gods to
worship men" - Gospel of Thomas, Logion 85:1-4

I suspect that Christians were expecting the Day of Judgement so imminant -
literally according to St.Paul, a case of drop everything and prepare, that they
felt no need for a slaughter they were expecting God to do on his own account.

> OSD C. Equitius Cato
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> Misery loves company, so here we go:
>
> "War is enjoined against the infidels." - the Holy Qu'ran, Surah
> II.215
> "And say not of those who are slain in fight for the religion of God,
> that they are dead; yea they are living, but ye do not understand." -
> ibid. II.155
>
> "They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so
> that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them
> friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn
> back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take
> not from among them a friend or a helper." - IV.89
>
> "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make
> firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those
> who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every
> fingertip of them." - ibid. VIII.12
>
> "Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief, what is now
> past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they have already
> before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till
> strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's."- VIII.39-42
>
> "Oh True believers, wage war against such of the infidels as are near
> you." - ibid. IX.124
>
> "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find
> them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for
> them." - ibid. IX.5
>
> "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal
> rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." - ibid.
> IX.73
>
> "When ye encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads until ye
> have made a great slaughter among them." - ibid. XLVII.4
>
> So much for Islam. How about Judaism? Well:
>
> "They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their
> fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not
> seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether
> small or great, whether man or woman." - 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
>
> "Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you
> that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens
> astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you
> must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove
> that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack
> that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all
> the livestock." - Deuteronomy 13:13-15
>
> It seems that Christianity, alone among the three great monotheistic
> religions, does not actually advocate the wholesale slaughter of
> non-believers. I am NOT saying that Christians have not in fact
> slaughtered --- it's only too historically true; ONLY that nowhere in
> the New Testament are Christians instructed to kill, as the Jews and
> Moslems are.
>
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>
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"God created man and man created God. So is it in the world. Men make
gods and they worship their creations. If would be fitting for the gods to
worship men" - Gospel of Thomas, Logion 85:1-4

Druidery remained in Ireland but disappeared 'overnight'. Exactly the same very
clever poetry that Druids had written, Christian leaders did. Conclusion: the
religious Elite saw no problem with expanding their ideas to include the new
reliogion. And Ireland has one big diffrence from Gallia and Britannia: they
could write, and in their own language. That says something in itself, Irish
monks never felt the need to revere Latin as superior to Irish and often
regarded it as inferior.

Now, one thing other druids did not do was to write, that Caesar says they
could. If you kill the druids, you burn the library, including, as you said,
military tactics and tribal history, the 'matter' of Gaul like the 'matter of
Britain' later written in Welsh.

I think some of the best depiction of druids comes from Bernard Cornwell's
sinister magic realism Arthurian series, Winter King, Enemy of God, .... where
he shows them as immensely powerful respected Nature-priests and magicians,
morally neutral as much with the parts of Gaia that have claws and teeth as an
New Agery, and up to their necks in 'spirit fences' of severed heads etc,
something an African witch-doctor with a 'modern' university understanding of
the world. Nikolai Tolstoy's Arthur novel is slightly less gruesome, but
similar.

>
> Salvete, Omnes:
>
> > but religion was tied in:
>
> (...)
>
> > Another religious persecution undertaken by the Roman Republic
> > involved Julius Caesar's conquest of Gaul. Caesar identified the
> > Druids as a source of Celtic hostility to Rome and to Roman
> > civilisation, and accordingly undertook their eradication. He gives
> > a mostly unflattering albeit grudgingly respectful account of the
> > Druids in his Gallic Wars; his account of their human sacrifices
> > seems likely to have been exaggerated. He may have been motivated in
> > part to invade the island of Britain at least in part to eliminate a
> > stronghold of Druidism, and the later Roman author Tacitus gives a
> > dramatic account of an assault on the island of Anglesey, a Druid
> > stronghold.
>
> :-?
>
> I was ironic when I talked about religious war on the conquest of
> Galiae.
>
> Let's see some facts:
>
> From the age of the roman kings to the republican Rome, the only time
> that Roma city has been sieged, defeated, plundered and burned was by
> Gallii.
>
> That defeat was in the imaginery of Roman people during ages: Suplicius,
> the consular tribune that lost the battle for defending Rome, gave his
> name to a deffinition of "suffering and torture", and in modern
> times some Romanic languages keeps the word "suplicio" with that
> meaning.
> The next year, the Pontifex declarated that days (Postridie idus
> Quintiles) as dies atri. Postridie idus quintiles wasn't dies atri before
> the plunder of Rome.
>
> The eigty older and wiser patricians stayed on their curules chairs on
> the forum, waiting for the dead for cleaning the guilt of Rome. Gallii
> thought that they were statues when they arriveds the forum. They were
> killed when one of the Gallii touched M. Papirio's white beard, and
> discovered that they were living beings.
>
> All the moruments, registers, books were destroyied. Most wise men
> died, and the economy colapsed. The most optimistics evaluations says
> that Roma needed 50 years to return to the ecomical and
> political normality. Roma also had to reconquest the whole italic
> peninsulae.
>
> All the Roman strategy and organization of the army changed the following
> years.
>
> The Gallii atacked 30 years later, and atacked again and again until
> Julius Caesar won the Galiae war.
>
> The only exit by land for Roman in that land passed by Gallii land.
>
> Galiae was strategical due to the agrary work that can be done there.
> Grain was scarce and expensive, and Ostia port was saturated.
>
> Gallii is a contraction for Gal Proelium.
>
> Druid religion was practiced in Galia in particular and in the whole
> roman empire as general during centuries, and it can be found druids
> until Teodosius imperator. The prosecution of the druids began with
> Teodosius.
>
> The only druids that were killed on the republic were Gallii's druid.
> The only Gallii druid that were killed was during the war. The druids take
> part actively on the military welfare on celtic tribes. Druid was a celtic
> priest of celtic religion; and in all the places of the republic and the
> empire were celtic were assimilated, druid existed before, during and
> after gallii war.
>
> Druids made a really important role on celtic wellfare, and participated
> on the battlefield operations. A celtic druid was not all this new-age
> stuff that we see on TV, and it is not that Panoramix stuff. The most of
> high-rank gallii druids were also warlords (see Diviciacus, as an
> example). The druids in republic age did not taugh the celtic "how to be
> one with gaia". They taught strategy, tactical wellfare and battlefield
> and weapon techniques. They taught history and myths of the tribe, and
> those that were not warlords worked as ambassors between warlods.
>
> War of Galiae of Julius Caesar is a beatiful piece of Julius Caesar
> propaganda about the heroicity of Julius Caesar.
>
> What makes me to do the follolwing deductions:
>
> On Julius Caesar's time, galii was the geopolitical enemy of Rome.
>
> The area of expansion of Rome passed by Galiae.
>
> The economical and geopolitical interest passed by controling Galiae.
>
> Rome as city has some debts to fix with Galii. Revenge is great.
>
> Julius Caesar has a strong interest on give information about how brave,
> rude and savage the galii were. And roman imaginery also pointed in that
> direction due to the point before. From here come the "horrors" of
> Gallii rites telled by Julius Caesar.
>
> Only were killed druids if they were gauls. Non-gauls druids do not were
> killed, no matter than all the celtics druids practice the same religion.
> After the war, no more gauls druids were killed.
>
> The active part of Gallii druids on welfare explains by itself why Julius
> Caesar didn't liked too much gallii druids: they taught how to fight
> eficienty, were warlords or coordinate and unite different warlords. They
> were the leaders. It is normal that in war times Julius attacked to the
> head of the enemy.
>
> Druid religion was heavily prosecuted by christians (in some parts of
> the former empire, during the begining of the middle age), what means
> that did not dissapear on the empire.
>
> Yours:
>
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"God created man and man created God. So is it in the world. Men make
gods and they worship their creations. If would be fitting for the gods to
worship men" - Gospel of Thomas, Logion 85:1-4

Salvete Omnes,

I find the suggestion of Tiberius Galerius Paulinus (below) to have
much merit. With this sort of cooperation we can do so much more than
if we all try to do things individually.

M. Lucr. Agricola


P.s. Do take care, though, that you not be seen to undermine the state
through formation of a secret society. *Ahem*




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
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>
> Salve M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
>
>
> Here is an Idea. You could franchise the calendars out. Say I was

willing to invest toward the $3500. I would get the calendars and I
would be able to sell them in say North America. Other Citizens could
get Spain and Portugal, others Italy, or South America ect or by NR
province. What do you think?

>
>
> vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS<mailto:complutensis@g...>
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> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Calenders
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>
> Salve,
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> the last year the cost was of 3000 euro (3500 US $) aprox.
>
> Vale optime
>
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> Salve M CVR·COMPLVTENSIS<mailto:complutensis@g...>
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> How much would it cost?
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>
> Vale
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> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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> ----- Original Message -----
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>
> Salvete
>
> Unfortunately, this year, the Provincia Hispania have not

obtained the necessary sponsor to print the calendars for the next year.

>
> Valete
>
> M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
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>
> Salvete
>
> Does Provinica Hispania plan on selling calenders again

for the upcoming year?

>
> If so, I (and I am sure many others) would like to buy one

again.

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