Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

During the Consulship of Gnaeus Equitius Marinus and Gnaeus Salvius Astur a
Senatus Consultum was approved by the senate that set priorities for Nova
Roma in order of precedence. If elected Consul I would continue in the
tradition established by these former consuls, and set these priorities as
my own.

The priorities are listed below in [ ], with an explanation as to how I
plan on supporting these priorities.

*[The Religio Romana; it's promotion, preservation, protection, and
diffusion throughout the communities of Nova Roma. ]*

An extremely important institution of Nova Roma is the Religio Romana. As
Consul, and as a Pontifex, I will work to encourage the Collegium Pontificum
to reform itself. I believe that reform is necessary within the Collegium
Pontificum. Establish clear expectations of all priests in Nova Roma; from
Sacerdos to Pontifex Maximus. Make sure the obligations of the priesthood
are fulfilled, and ensure that offerings are made by our priests on behalf
of the Senate, and People of Nova Roma on a regular basis. The blessings of
the Gods of Rome are essential for the survival of our Republic. We, as a
Republic, need to make the Religio Romana a priority, while still being
mindful of the need for tolerance and understanding. For those who embrace
the Gods of Rome we need to offer assistance in "promoting, preserving, and
protecting" the divine cults. For those who do not embrace the Gods of Rome,
but who respect those who do, we need to offer tolerance and acceptance as
fellow citizens.

*[Establishment of a Nova Roma Endowment and its long term growth. ]*

Monetary resources are essential to the long term survival of any
organization. The future of Nova Roma rests on decisions that are made now,
and the foundation that is laid today may grow into what we all hope, and
envision. With a well established endowment fund, the future of Nova Roma
can be secured. Through a process of continued, and systematic commitment to
the financial well being of Nova Roma our future will be secured. If a fund
is not already created, I will urge the senate to approve of one and make
sure it is maintained. A fund like this also needs more tax paying citizens.
A positive, and active Nova Roma means more tax payers.

*[Sustaining support of existing projects, including the publication of the
Eagle, the Aedilian Fund for the Magna Mater Project, the Scholarship Fund,
and the Land Fund. ]*

Maintaining the traditions that have been started by others are important,
because they build up our history. The continuance of existing programs is
important because it shows that we are committed to the endeavors that we
start. If elected Consul I would support the projects of me predecessors
with enthusiasm. This includes, but is not limited to, the Magna Mater
project.

*[Outreach, recruitment and retention of citizens, including fostering
interest in the activities of the Sodalities. ]*

I believe the Sodalities are important to Nova Roma because people join
Nova Roma for different reasons, and a strong body of Sodalities will make
Nova Roma stronger. Nova Roma should be able to be all things Roman to all
people interested in things Roman.
Additionally, I support the GO Roman project of the Sodalitas Egressus, and
if elected as Consul will encourage education of provincial governors so
they can understand how the Go Roman project can help build-up their
province. I will also encourage a grass roots recruitment and retention
program, involving provincial governors and their administrations.

*[Promotion of Local Group activities. ]*

The provinces are important to Nova Roma, because they help to facilitate
contact between Nova Romans. I fully support active provinces, and local
group activities. I believe as much support as possible should be given by
the senate and magistrates to facilitate the establishment of more local
groups. I believe Nova Roma should EMPOWER people to join together, and not
require so much "red tape" it makes it impossible to organize into local
groups.

As a citizen, and if elected Consul, I will encourage people to attend
regional events, such as the Conventus in Europe, and I will work to create
such an event in the United States.

Local groups are very important to the life of any organization, and Nova
Roma should support the existing local groups, and encourage the foundation
of new ones.

*[Encouraging citizens to become involved in the work of government. ]*

Nova Roma needs a steady influx of new citizens. As our current citizens
rise through the cursus honorum there will need to be new citizens to take
their place. In order for Nova Roma to be a thriving organization we will
need our citizens to get involved. I believe in supporting citizens to
become active. If elected Consul I will support new citizens, as well as
established ones within my consular staff to help some new citizens get a
grasp of our process. If you want to be involved, you will only need to ask.


Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

Candidate for Consul


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

ave Corde,

> Wow! Impressive work! Many thanks to you and your
> assistants.

thank you, most of the merit is theirs

> Only one question:
>
> > LXCVIII.LEX EQVITIA DE FAMILIA
> > (formerly Lex Equitia familiaris)
>
> Shouldn't this be the other way round? It was
> originally called the lex de familia.

opps, I see, probably you're right, let me check better and, if wrong,
I'll make the corrections asap

M IVL PERVSIANVS

Salve, G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

As a member of the ASPCA, the Humane Society and a long time member of the animal rights movement, which is growing everyday worldwide, I certainly hope Nova Roma will officially not condone animal blood sports in real life.
As for the continued survival of animal blood sports in the world today, well, better not get me started.
However, this is "New" Rome and living in the modern age gives us opportunites to do things in virtual reality that was not possible in ancient Rome. Movies, video games, and the internet can give one a sense of how some aspects of ancient Rome were without actually having to recreate it in real life.
War, gladiatorial combat, animal blood sports, and other such violent aspects of ancient Rome can make for great movies, but they suck in real life. So did slavery and the oppression of women.
As I have said before, not everything from Rome's past need be brought into the present. Somethings are best left in the past - permanently.

Vale bene,

Maxima Valeria Messallina


"G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana" <silvanatextrix@...> wrote:
G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.

[long post]

The previous 250 messages prompt me to post this now. I think
it is relevant as it stems from Roman history, and relates to
the modern attitudes incorporated into the Declaratio of NR,
and other material on the main website.

NR has decided that it supports equality between people:
slavery was Roman, but is not Nova Roman; women could not
hold political office in the Republic, but can in NR, etc.

I'm asking that any cives who care about animals, give some
thought to the following article. Perhaps in your macro life
you might wish to take action, even if just by learning more
about the subject.

We do have our virtual blood sports in NR, but they are
*virtual*. I have just particpated in my second Ludi.
Executed (pun intended) with some thought, the virtual Ludi
can teach us all one truth I learned during 13 years of martial
arts in Japan: If you truly understand violence, you cannot
be a violent person.

However, just like human slavery, *real* animal blood sports
are still very much a part of our *real* world. Is NR
ready to tuck real-world animal blood sports into the same
round file as real-world slavery, and say we officially do
not condone them?

With the closing of our most recent Ludi, now seems a good
time to broach the topic.


===============================================================

EXPOSING THE DOG-FIGHTING UNDERWORLD
by Dr. Stanley Coren

In ancient Rome, beginning with Emperor Lucullus, the Colosseum
combats featured not only human gladiators, but also a variety
of animals pitted against one another. The Roman invasion
and occupation of Britain was motivated, in part, by the fact
that large powerful dogs (namely Irish wolfhounds and Scottish
deerhounds) could be found there. Many of these dogs were sent
to Rome to die in the arena.

The Romans introduced similar sports into Britain. Long after
Rome had fallen, bull and bear baiting, in which a dog was
placed in a "pit" or dug-out ring to combat a bull or bear,
were popular. These sports appealed not only to the masses,
but also to aristocrats.

Humane groups rallied against the cruelty of pit fights, and
in 1835 an act of parliament outlawed baiting sports. After
the ban, the owners of "bulldogs," the name given to dogs used
to bait bulls, bears and other animals, began to stage fights
between two dogs to satisfy the demand for blood sports and
gambling. Dogfighting soon moved to the Americas, but by the
early 20th century Canada and most states had banned these
activities.

If dogfights are illegal, and merely a cruel sport of the
past, why should we worry today? Because, unfortunately,
dogfighting has not disappeared. Several years ago, I
accompanied a man associated with the Michigan Humane Society
to such an event. He was gathering information on dogfighting
in and around Detroit to provide to the authorities.

Around 150 people gathered in a vacant auto-repair garage,
in which a ring with low plywood walls had been assembled.
the pre-fight ritual began with weighing the dogs (they must
not differ by more than a couple of pounds) and then the dogs
were washed with soapy water to remove any drugs or poison
that may have been placed on their fur to harm their opponent.
The rules of the fight are ancient -- the dogs fight until
one is too injured to continue or alternatively turns and
runs in defeat. The fight I saw lasted more than 45 minutes,
with spectators making bids in the thousands of dollars.

My associate informed me that there was a Canadian connection:
"Staging dogfights or training dogs for fighting is illegal
in all U.S. states. Although dogfighting is illegal in
Canada, training dogs for fighting is not, so many of the dogs
we see here were bought and trained in Southern Ontario and
British Columbia."

As we left the blood-spattered ring, we passed a pickup truck
that contained the dog who lost the fight. He was no longer
breathing. I wondered, sadly, about how little moral progress
some humans have made since he days of the Roman gladiators.

(Dr. Stanley Coren is a Professor of Psychology at the
University of British Columbia and author of many books
on dogs. His website is www.stanleycoren.com)

source: ANIMAL SENSE magazine, Fall/Winter 2005, page 19.
published by BCSPCA, website: www.spca.bc.ca

=============================================================

Dogfighting is also definitely alive and kicking in Japan,
where I lived for 13 years. (Ohayo, sensei Phil.) A friend
of mine who was a Japanese police officer (mature, family man
with kids, etc.) showed me his photos and memorabilia from a
fight event he attended on Shikoku Island (I don't think he
had taken his teen-aged son along). The dogs favored are the
Tosa-inu; they are huge animals, and bred for violence.
The system is well established, and the dogs are ranked like
sumo wrestlers, with the yokozuna ("grand champion") even
being decked out in the huge straw rope of victory like a
human yokozuna. The particular yokozuna-inu featured on the
full-colour glossy ticket stub, looked like an advertisement
for a zipper company. Its chest and flanks were criss-crossed
by long, deep scar-lines where it had been repeatedly stitched
back together.

And that's just one example of the survival of animal blood
sports.

So there you have it. The Roman heritage includes blood sports,
slavery, and exclusion of women from public office. NR
officially varies from historical precedent on two of those
counts. Is NR willing to take an official stance on real-world
blood sports, in the same way it has taken an official stance on
slavery and women's right to hold office?

Thanks for taking the time to read this lengthy post.

Valete bene in pace Deorum.

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

---------------------------------
Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve, G Aurelia Falconis Silvana, salveteque omnes

Thank you for an interesting and thought-provoking post ...

It has often been said that a fine measure of how people treat one another
is how they treat their animals. Once the bloodlust is aroused, where does
it end?

One of the measures of civilisation is that of the treatment of animals.

Thank you again.

Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus



_____

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana
Sent: 21 November 2005 13:33
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] NR, Roma and Dogs of War



G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.

[long post]

The previous 250 messages prompt me to post this now. I think
it is relevant as it stems from Roman history, and relates to
the modern attitudes incorporated into the Declaratio of NR,
and other material on the main website.

NR has decided that it supports equality between people:
slavery was Roman, but is not Nova Roman; women could not
hold political office in the Republic, but can in NR, etc.

I'm asking that any cives who care about animals, give some
thought to the following article. Perhaps in your macro life
you might wish to take action, even if just by learning more
about the subject.

We do have our virtual blood sports in NR, but they are
*virtual*. I have just particpated in my second Ludi.
Executed (pun intended) with some thought, the virtual Ludi
can teach us all one truth I learned during 13 years of martial
arts in Japan: If you truly understand violence, you cannot
be a violent person.

However, just like human slavery, *real* animal blood sports
are still very much a part of our *real* world. Is NR
ready to tuck real-world animal blood sports into the same
round file as real-world slavery, and say we officially do
not condone them?

With the closing of our most recent Ludi, now seems a good
time to broach the topic.


===============================================================

EXPOSING THE DOG-FIGHTING UNDERWORLD
by Dr. Stanley Coren

In ancient Rome, beginning with Emperor Lucullus, the Colosseum
combats featured not only human gladiators, but also a variety
of animals pitted against one another. The Roman invasion
and occupation of Britain was motivated, in part, by the fact
that large powerful dogs (namely Irish wolfhounds and Scottish
deerhounds) could be found there. Many of these dogs were sent
to Rome to die in the arena.

The Romans introduced similar sports into Britain. Long after
Rome had fallen, bull and bear baiting, in which a dog was
placed in a "pit" or dug-out ring to combat a bull or bear,
were popular. These sports appealed not only to the masses,
but also to aristocrats.

Humane groups rallied against the cruelty of pit fights, and
in 1835 an act of parliament outlawed baiting sports. After
the ban, the owners of "bulldogs," the name given to dogs used
to bait bulls, bears and other animals, began to stage fights
between two dogs to satisfy the demand for blood sports and
gambling. Dogfighting soon moved to the Americas, but by the
early 20th century Canada and most states had banned these
activities.

If dogfights are illegal, and merely a cruel sport of the
past, why should we worry today? Because, unfortunately,
dogfighting has not disappeared. Several years ago, I
accompanied a man associated with the Michigan Humane Society
to such an event. He was gathering information on dogfighting
in and around Detroit to provide to the authorities.

Around 150 people gathered in a vacant auto-repair garage,
in which a ring with low plywood walls had been assembled.
the pre-fight ritual began with weighing the dogs (they must
not differ by more than a couple of pounds) and then the dogs
were washed with soapy water to remove any drugs or poison
that may have been placed on their fur to harm their opponent.
The rules of the fight are ancient -- the dogs fight until
one is too injured to continue or alternatively turns and
runs in defeat. The fight I saw lasted more than 45 minutes,
with spectators making bids in the thousands of dollars.

My associate informed me that there was a Canadian connection:
"Staging dogfights or training dogs for fighting is illegal
in all U.S. states. Although dogfighting is illegal in
Canada, training dogs for fighting is not, so many of the dogs
we see here were bought and trained in Southern Ontario and
British Columbia."

As we left the blood-spattered ring, we passed a pickup truck
that contained the dog who lost the fight. He was no longer
breathing. I wondered, sadly, about how little moral progress
some humans have made since he days of the Roman gladiators.

(Dr. Stanley Coren is a Professor of Psychology at the
University of British Columbia and author of many books
on dogs. His website is www.stanleycoren.com)

source: ANIMAL SENSE magazine, Fall/Winter 2005, page 19.
published by BCSPCA, website: www.spca.bc.ca

=============================================================

Dogfighting is also definitely alive and kicking in Japan,
where I lived for 13 years. (Ohayo, sensei Phil.) A friend
of mine who was a Japanese police officer (mature, family man
with kids, etc.) showed me his photos and memorabilia from a
fight event he attended on Shikoku Island (I don't think he
had taken his teen-aged son along). The dogs favored are the
Tosa-inu; they are huge animals, and bred for violence.
The system is well established, and the dogs are ranked like
sumo wrestlers, with the yokozuna ("grand champion") even
being decked out in the huge straw rope of victory like a
human yokozuna. The particular yokozuna-inu featured on the
full-colour glossy ticket stub, looked like an advertisement
for a zipper company. Its chest and flanks were criss-crossed
by long, deep scar-lines where it had been repeatedly stitched
back together.

And that's just one example of the survival of animal blood
sports.

So there you have it. The Roman heritage includes blood sports,
slavery, and exclusion of women from public office. NR
officially varies from historical precedent on two of those
counts. Is NR willing to take an official stance on real-world
blood sports, in the same way it has taken an official stance on
slavery and women's right to hold office?

Thanks for taking the time to read this lengthy post.

Valete bene in pace Deorum.

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana










SPONSORED LINKS


Ancient
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Ancient+history&w1=Ancient+history&w2=F
all+of+the+roman+empire&w3=The+fall+of+the+roman+empire&w4=Roman+empire&c=4&
s=103&.sig=fjrrfWGmNj-9VzE29-5RqQ> history

Fall
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fall+of+the+roman+empire&w1=Ancient+his
tory&w2=Fall+of+the+roman+empire&w3=The+fall+of+the+roman+empire&w4=Roman+em
pire&c=4&s=103&.sig=o-616ER_E9HbAgY7S7bgGA> of the roman empire

The
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=The+fall+of+the+roman+empire&w1=Ancient
+history&w2=Fall+of+the+roman+empire&w3=The+fall+of+the+roman+empire&w4=Roma
n+empire&c=4&s=103&.sig=3ssQInnLWGqC1FVNATfGNQ> fall of the roman empire


Roman
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Roman+empire&w1=Ancient+history&w2=Fall
+of+the+roman+empire&w3=The+fall+of+the+roman+empire&w4=Roman+empire&c=4&s=1
03&.sig=JnsqrFDC8rUYfVpJVe3Qiw> empire







_____

YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



* Visit your group "Nova-Roma
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma> " on the web.

* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>

* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.



_____



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Congratulations to you, Titus Octavius Pius, on winning the 1st Certamen Petronianum! Well done and thanks for all the tips.

Maxima Valeria Messallina




---------------------------------
Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Funny, I've just been quoting that theory in reference to somebody who is
totally convinced by a book claiming it as all Josephus under direction of
Titus to get the Jews to worship him - or some such. I don't buy the Caesar
theory, histories are far too different, but I do accept that the mentality is
the same. We should not be asking in the context of divine Caesar and
Apotheosis of every other Eastern monarch, what made them decide Jesus was
divine, but why they did *not* call him divine. Evidence or that is in Acts,
citizens of Lystra I think rerefered to Paul and Barnabus as Hermes and Zeus,
which P & B were at great pains to refute. What they did not do though is
the most obvious course for believers in a divine incarnation, to go on with
"We are not gods but messengers of the One who Was". Instead, Paul gives a tame
waffle about creation that the natives must have reacted to along lines of "So
that's what you Jews call our Zeus". Even if the account is fictitious, a
believer in divine incarnation would make them proclaim it.





Salvete omnes
There is an investigative report that took 15 years to produce that
clearly shows, with lots of evidence that Christianity originated
from the Cult of Divus Iulius. There is of no wonder Jesus was
nowhere to be found in the historical record, now, backed up by
evidence it is obvious he existed but his name was, the Lord and
saviour, descended from venus, the son of the earth ( Gaius)
Pontifex maximus who resurrected...the god Iulius Caesar! It is all
here. Valete omnes. http://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/jwc_e/
contents.html



"Politicians are like monkeys: the higher they climb the tree of ambition
the more of their arses you can see" - Pieter Dirg-Uys.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Maxima Valeria Messallina wrote:

> Congratulations to you, Titus Octavius Pius, on
> winning the 1st Certamen Petronianum! Well done
> and thanks for all the tips.

Salve, Maxima Valeria Messallina.

Thank you! I'm still very happy, even if I'm no longer grinning like a
fool all the time, just two or three hours daily. :)

The tips are free, but perhaps not entirely useful for all. They work
for me, though.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

His joke follows ample New Testament examples of exactly the same aimed at
exactly the same kind of hypocrite under the name of Pharisees. I resent your
lying implications about "dumping on groups which don't cut it".You appear to do
that frequently, perhaps considering your position permitting you exerciseyour
personal likes and dislikes. I never 'dump on groups' That is your excuse for
interfering with interesting discussion, especially when it confutes
mythological belief with historical research. As for the religio romana, does or
did anybody 'believe' in it, or 'practise' it? It has always struck me as a
religion primarily demanding ritual and respect, not theological debate. I doubt
Romans would go as far as Greeks to actually present the gods on stage to
ridicule but I am sure they would be much more concerned over formal ritual and
whatever informal perhaps meditations may have gone on privately in a temple,
than arguing over whether the gods literally sat on Olympus or controlled as
opposed to actually being cosmic forces and so on. I imagine Colleen McCullouh
has got her facts and prayers down pretty accurately.
Caesariensis




---Caesarinis:


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, me-in-@d... wrote:

>
> It's a joke. By definition jokes are off-topic. But what is so

unacceptable or

> offensive?

Pompeia: Well, it wouldn't phase on you for sure, as you spend
countless hours opining on the pros and cons (alot of cons) of large
chunks of the human race, and the sad thing is you are dead serious!

Hey, I would have laughed like hades if this post was in another
time and place, but like you, I view things not by the letter but by
the 'spirit' ...

And
.. after a larger than usual volume of posts from Fides which (and
yes, my opinion only) are largely lacking in any Roman content, and
are just his beefing on large chunks of the human race, I do not
exactly conclude that the man is suddenly being complimentary, with
his ambiguous jokes...said jokes can be taken elsewhere, 'in my
humble opinion'.

Once one starts dumping on one race, one religion, one this, one
that and pontificating unsubstantiated appraisals which are merely
opinions and not enshrined 'gospels'(your word), then one is in
effect saying that its entirely ok for folks to start the same stuff
with what he values.

BVI Constitution 'Nova Roma shall approach all other religions with
a syncretistic outlook offering friendship to all paths which
acknowledge the right of those who practise and honour the Religio
Romana to do so and respect the beliefs thereof....

So be careful please, Caesarine with unsubstantiated stereotypical
crustigams of admonishment involving Jews, Israelis, Muslims,
Christians, Mennonites, Moononites and any other group you might
feel doesn't cut it. Besides being just 'not nice', it isn't very
constitutional either.

I hope you atleast respect the Religio. That's not too much to ask,
really.

And that is my constitutionally entitled opinion, whether you agree
with it or not.

Where is your constitutuionally entitled opinion in this forum, by
the way? Well, you_ don't_ really_ have_ one as of this moment, do
you?...I just read from Maior and the Censor to this effect, and
you don't have any citizen rights (Constitution) because you are not
a citizen.

You are istead a Peregrinus... and, legally speaking, here at the
pleasure of the Senate and Populus of Rome. the Yahoo Groups Policy
says so.

You have no citizen'rights' to open forums which can't be touched
content-wise except by reasonable moderation.

You have no citizen rights to provocatio if a magistrate were to
issue an edictum disentitling you to post....



I don't imagine that will happen; the Praetores are far too fair for
that, preferring to give opportunities for change and compromise,
and I am too as a citizen....but I think somebody has to point out
that you don't have the carte blanc in this forum that you might
think you have for your indulgences, and why that is.

Pompeia




Because it features a woman? Because it appears to feature a

> hypocritial Christian - maybe the car and stickers were her

husband's - and this

> is exactly the sort of thing the gospels are full of inreference

to

> self-righteous Pharisees. Sill, maybe. Off-topic, maybe.

Offensive, deserving of

> moderation? Has Robert Mugabe taken over?
> Caesariensis
>
>
>
>
>
> Salve Pompeia, et salvete omnes,
>
> pompeia_minucia_tiberia wrote:
> > ---CENSORES ET PRAETORES SAL.
> [...]
> > This post below is totally unacceptable.
>
> It is. I ask the praetores to place Fides on moderation until

such time

> as he demonstrates that he understands the praetorian edictum

concerning

> posting to the mainlist.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gn. Equitius Marinus
> Censor
>
>
>
>
>
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> Visit your group "Nova-Roma" on theweb.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send anemailto:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms

of Service.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Politicians are likemonkeys: the higher they climb the

tree of ambition

> the more of their arses you can see" - Pieter Dirg-Uys.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

Visit your group "Nova-Roma" on theweb.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an emailto:
Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.










"Politicians are like monkeys: the higher they climb the tree of ambition
the more of their arses you can see" - Pieter Dirg-Uys.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve, S. Pontius Pilatus Barbatus

Actually, it was Gandhi, one of the most quoted persons of the 20th century, who said that.

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." - Mohandas Gandhi

(www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mohandas_gandhi.html has more of his quotes if you're interested.)

Vale bene,

Maxima Valeria Messallina


Peter Bird <p.bird@...> wrote:
Salve, G Aurelia Falconis Silvana, salveteque omnes

Thank you for an interesting and thought-provoking post ...

It has often been said that a fine measure of how people treat one another
is how they treat their animals. Once the bloodlust is aroused, where does
it end?

One of the measures of civilisation is that of the treatment of animals.

Thank you again.

Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus

---------------------------------
Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Apparently, humor about human nature is not very Roman.

Personally, and this is me only...I liked having the reminder that my actionsare
what actually proclaim what I am. That is what the joke really says. I wasglad
to read it.

G. Iulia Felix




----- Message Forwarded on Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:11:20 GMT -----
From: sid green
To: Xianity@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Xianity] Fwd: [Nova-Roma] Re: (fwd) Tailgater
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:15:30 +0000

On Nov 20, 2005, at 21:45, jerriais@... wrote:

> American Joke

cut the original here
>

Nice story, appreciated especially for me because here in Portugal
tailgating is the second favourite pastime - the first being lunch.

And also, because coincidentally, I was driving home from Faro
yesterday, overtook a car, and as I was about to move back into the
inside lane (as is required in Europe) I saw in my mirror a car not
more than one metre away from my rear end, the two male front seat
occupants grinning and chatting to each other. I was well above the
limit at the time - doing perhaps 135 km/h which gives you some idea of
the insanity of Portuguese drivers. I gestured fiercely - waving my
right hand to get them to drop back- but no dice. I then moved into
the inside lane and he drew alongside - but I was now closing on a
truck 150 metres ahead and they clearly intended me to run up behind it
- so right foot down hard and I left them there, but once again they
closed up and sat on my tail - so that I could see the unshaven
whiskers on the chin of the passenger. Suddenly, after some more of
this high speed madness, the passenger produced a flashing blue light
which he showed me through the windscreen - as his roof was not in view
due to his extreme proximity. So they pulled me in and I wound down
the window and sat waiting. The driver approached my car and screamed
at me to stay put - do not move etc etc, then - documents - ID, driving
licence. I gave them to him, while screaming back at him that he drove
like a C&*T, (British anatomical expression) and that I wanted his
name, the name of his boss, and the name of the idiot that gave him a
police driving license - mentioning also the completely unenforced but
legally enacted regulation about keeping one's distance when travelling
at speed. He withdrew to talk to his colleague, returned, handing me
back my papers - gave me his badge and ID to note what I wanted of it,
then said he thought I was most impolite (well he was right there!)
before going back to his car and driving off. And I always said there
was no gods or angels....

Apologies for going waaaaay off topic.
Sid






Home page for group:
http://wwwdomain-name-registration-directory.com/xtianity.zip




"Politicians are like monkeys: the higher they climb the tree of ambition
the more of their arses you can see" - Pieter Dirg-Uys.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Kristoffer From <from@...> wrote:

<Salve, Maxima Valeria Messallina.

<Thank you! I'm still very happy, even if I'm no longer grinning like a
fool all the time, just two or three hours daily. :)


Hey, if I had won something like that, I will be grinning All day for a very lllloooooooonnnngggg time. So, I say, grin away!

Maxima ;P


---------------------------------
Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete Quirites!

Between my mothers sickbed and my work I was
happy to read this platform. I am thrilled to see
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus supporting the
priorities that was approved during the
Consulship of Gnaeus Equitius Marinus and Gnaeus
Salvius Astur.

To me all these points are dear and important. It
is time for the Religio to become a visible force
in the service of the Gods and the People. To
work for the financial strength of Nova Roma has
always been important to me both as a Senator and
Consul. Recruitment has been important for me
ever since we planned such during my Consulship.
"Sustaining support of existing projects" is very
important to me, especially as I had the honor to
start the Magna Mater Project. Ever since I saw
the lack of personal contact and the People
accepted my "Lex Fabia de Oppidis et Municipiis"
the work for the local groups are close to my
heart. Yes Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus couldn't
have choosen a better approach as candidate for
the Consulship. The last point also is an
important one as who has been "Encouraging
citizens to become involved in the work of
government" more than I have done by creating the
first magistratical staffs, the Cohortes a way to
organi´ze the support of a magistrate and to let
citizens "learn the ropes".

This is a splendid platform for the Consulship of
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and it doesn't become
any less important as it is supported by the
Senate. Please support the candidacy for the
Consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, he
will make a excellent Consul in times when Nova
Roma will have to adjust to new circumstances. He
has an eye for what is important and how to deal
with these issues.

>Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> During the Consulship of Gnaeus Equitius Marinus and Gnaeus Salvius Astur a
>Senatus Consultum was approved by the senate that set priorities for Nova
>Roma in order of precedence. If elected Consul I would continue in the
>tradition established by these former consuls, and set these priorities as
>my own.

...................
.................
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Censoris CFBQ
http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salve,

Funny you mention it...I just donated some funds to a human society (US) for cracking down on animal blood sport. I am sure this is being done other places as well, the US one just happened to be the ones who e-mailed me.

It has been said you can judge a societies mores on how it treats it animals.

Vale,

G. Iulia Felix


G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.

[long post]

The previous 250 messages prompt me to post this now. I think
it is relevant as it stems from Roman history, and relates to
the modern attitudes incorporated into the Declaratio of NR,
and other material on the main website.

NR has decided that it supports equality between people:
slavery was Roman, but is not Nova Roman; women could not
hold political office in the Republic, but can in NR, etc.

I'm asking that any cives who care about animals, give some
thought to the following article. Perhaps in your macro life
you might wish to take action, even if just by learning more
about the subject.

We do have our virtual blood sports in NR, but they are
*virtual*. I have just particpated in my second Ludi.
Executed (pun intended) with some thought, the virtual Ludi
can teach us all one truth I learned during 13 years of martial
arts in Japan: If you truly understand violence, you cannot
be a violent person.

However, just like human slavery, *real* animal blood sports
are still very much a part of our *real* world. Is NR
ready to tuck real-world animal blood sports into the same
round file as real-world slavery, and say we officially do
not condone them?

With the closing of our most recent Ludi, now seems a good
time to broach the topic.


===============================================================

EXPOSING THE DOG-FIGHTING UNDERWORLD
by Dr. Stanley Coren

In ancient Rome, beginning with Emperor Lucullus, the Colosseum
combats featured not only human gladiators, but also a variety
of animals pitted against one another. The Roman invasion
and occupation of Britain was motivated, in part, by the fact
that large powerful dogs (namely Irish wolfhounds and Scottish
deerhounds) could be found there. Many of these dogs were sent
to Rome to die in the arena.

The Romans introduced similar sports into Britain. Long after
Rome had fallen, bull and bear baiting, in which a dog was
placed in a "pit" or dug-out ring to combat a bull or bear,
were popular. These sports appealed not only to the masses,
but also to aristocrats.

Humane groups rallied against the cruelty of pit fights, and
in 1835 an act of parliament outlawed baiting sports. After
the ban, the owners of "bulldogs," the name given to dogs used
to bait bulls, bears and other animals, began to stage fights
between two dogs to satisfy the demand for blood sports and
gambling. Dogfighting soon moved to the Americas, but by the
early 20th century Canada and most states had banned these
activities.

If dogfights are illegal, and merely a cruel sport of the
past, why should we worry today? Because, unfortunately,
dogfighting has not disappeared. Several years ago, I
accompanied a man associated with the Michigan Humane Society
to such an event. He was gathering information on dogfighting
in and around Detroit to provide to the authorities.

Around 150 people gathered in a vacant auto-repair garage,
in which a ring with low plywood walls had been assembled.
the pre-fight ritual began with weighing the dogs (they must
not differ by more than a couple of pounds) and then the dogs
were washed with soapy water to remove any drugs or poison
that may have been placed on their fur to harm their opponent.
The rules of the fight are ancient -- the dogs fight until
one is too injured to continue or alternatively turns and
runs in defeat. The fight I saw lasted more than 45 minutes,
with spectators making bids in the thousands of dollars.

My associate informed me that there was a Canadian connection:
"Staging dogfights or training dogs for fighting is illegal
in all U.S. states. Although dogfighting is illegal in
Canada, training dogs for fighting is not, so many of the dogs
we see here were bought and trained in Southern Ontario and
British Columbia."

As we left the blood-spattered ring, we passed a pickup truck
that contained the dog who lost the fight. He was no longer
breathing. I wondered, sadly, about how little moral progress
some humans have made since he days of the Roman gladiators.

(Dr. Stanley Coren is a Professor of Psychology at the
University of British Columbia and author of many books
on dogs. His website is www.stanleycoren.com)

source: ANIMAL SENSE magazine, Fall/Winter 2005, page 19.
published by BCSPCA, website: www.spca.bc.ca

=============================================================

Dogfighting is also definitely alive and kicking in Japan,
where I lived for 13 years. (Ohayo, sensei Phil.) A friend
of mine who was a Japanese police officer (mature, family man
with kids, etc.) showed me his photos and memorabilia from a
fight event he attended on Shikoku Island (I don't think he
had taken his teen-aged son along). The dogs favored are the
Tosa-inu; they are huge animals, and bred for violence.
The system is well established, and the dogs are ranked like
sumo wrestlers, with the yokozuna ("grand champion") even
being decked out in the huge straw rope of victory like a
human yokozuna. The particular yokozuna-inu featured on the
full-colour glossy ticket stub, looked like an advertisement
for a zipper company. Its chest and flanks were criss-crossed
by long, deep scar-lines where it had been repeatedly stitched
back together.

And that's just one example of the survival of animal blood
sports.

So there you have it. The Roman heritage includes blood sports,
slavery, and exclusion of women from public office. NR
officially varies from historical precedent on two of those
counts. Is NR willing to take an official stance on real-world
blood sports, in the same way it has taken an official stance on
slavery and women's right to hold office?

Thanks for taking the time to read this lengthy post.

Valete bene in pace Deorum.

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana









SPONSORED LINKS Ancient history Fall of the roman empire The fall of the roman empire
Roman empire


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

a.. Visit your group "Nova-Roma" on the web.

b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------




------------------------------------------------------------------------------


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

a.. Visit your group "Nova-Roma" on the web.

b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete citizens Of Nova Roma,

I would like to take this opportunity to voice my support for Gaius
Fabius Buteo Modianus' bid for Consul. I am pleased with his well
planned agenda he has listed below very clearly and which addresses
the concerns of the various departments that need immediate
attention. I wish to concentrate here on the religio.

I believe this year is just the right time to have a person in the
top job who is a priest of the religio. Though I am not a practioner
of the religio, I am fully aware that it was interest in the Religio
Romano that got Nova Roma going in the first place and I would not
be here with out that. Furthermore I am well aware that we have many
citizens who are religio practitioners who feel that this
institution has been sitting on the back burner for too long and
they are still with us but in the shadows of late. I see that
Pontifex Fabius Buteo would certainly give the religio a boost it
needs thereby raising the morale and bridging gaps between our
citizens.

For none practitoners, I can attest to the fact that Gaius Fabius
Buteo is extremely well versed and sensitive in regards other
theologies. Whenever I needed his advice, he was always there and
reliable at getting back to my questions or concerns. Should I run
for higher offices in future, you can be sure I will have Gaius
Fabius Buteo Modianus at my side as religio advisor. He has also
withstood criticism and flack like a true Roman!

To me, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus is the man of the hour who can
certainly bridge this gap and set things right. Lets not allow this
great opportunity to pass us by!

Regards,

Quintis Suetonius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@g...>
wrote:

>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> During the Consulship of Gnaeus Equitius Marinus and Gnaeus

Salvius Astur a

> Senatus Consultum was approved by the senate that set priorities

for Nova

> Roma in order of precedence. If elected Consul I would continue in

the

> tradition established by these former consuls, and set these

priorities as

> my own.
>
> The priorities are listed below in [ ], with an explanation as to

how I

> plan on supporting these priorities.
>
> *[The Religio Romana; it's promotion, preservation, protection,

and

> diffusion throughout the communities of Nova Roma. ]*
>
> An extremely important institution of Nova Roma is the Religio

Romana. As

> Consul, and as a Pontifex, I will work to encourage the Collegium

Pontificum

> to reform itself. I believe that reform is necessary within the

Collegium

> Pontificum. Establish clear expectations of all priests in Nova

Roma; from

> Sacerdos to Pontifex Maximus. Make sure the obligations of the

priesthood

> are fulfilled, and ensure that offerings are made by our priests

on behalf

> of the Senate, and People of Nova Roma on a regular basis. The

blessings of

> the Gods of Rome are essential for the survival of our Republic.

We, as a

> Republic, need to make the Religio Romana a priority, while still

being

> mindful of the need for tolerance and understanding. For those who

embrace

> the Gods of Rome we need to offer assistance in "promoting,

preserving, and

> protecting" the divine cults. For those who do not embrace the

Gods of Rome,

> but who respect those who do, we need to offer tolerance and

acceptance as

> fellow citizens.
>
> *[Establishment of a Nova Roma Endowment and its long term

growth. ]*

>
> Monetary resources are essential to the long term survival of any
> organization. The future of Nova Roma rests on decisions that are

made now,

> and the foundation that is laid today may grow into what we all

hope, and

> envision. With a well established endowment fund, the future of

Nova Roma

> can be secured. Through a process of continued, and systematic

commitment to

> the financial well being of Nova Roma our future will be secured.

If a fund

> is not already created, I will urge the senate to approve of one

and make

> sure it is maintained. A fund like this also needs more tax paying

citizens.

> A positive, and active Nova Roma means more tax payers.
>
> *[Sustaining support of existing projects, including the

publication of the

> Eagle, the Aedilian Fund for the Magna Mater Project, the

Scholarship Fund,

> and the Land Fund. ]*
>
> Maintaining the traditions that have been started by others are

important,

> because they build up our history. The continuance of existing

programs is

> important because it shows that we are committed to the endeavors

that we

> start. If elected Consul I would support the projects of me

predecessors

> with enthusiasm. This includes, but is not limited to, the Magna

Mater

> project.
>
> *[Outreach, recruitment and retention of citizens, including

fostering

> interest in the activities of the Sodalities. ]*
>
> I believe the Sodalities are important to Nova Roma because

people join

> Nova Roma for different reasons, and a strong body of Sodalities

will make

> Nova Roma stronger. Nova Roma should be able to be all things

Roman to all

> people interested in things Roman.
> Additionally, I support the GO Roman project of the Sodalitas

Egressus, and

> if elected as Consul will encourage education of provincial

governors so

> they can understand how the Go Roman project can help build-up

their

> province. I will also encourage a grass roots recruitment and

retention

> program, involving provincial governors and their administrations.
>
> *[Promotion of Local Group activities. ]*
>
> The provinces are important to Nova Roma, because they help to

facilitate

> contact between Nova Romans. I fully support active provinces, and

local

> group activities. I believe as much support as possible should be

given by

> the senate and magistrates to facilitate the establishment of more

local

> groups. I believe Nova Roma should EMPOWER people to join

together, and not

> require so much "red tape" it makes it impossible to organize into

local

> groups.
>
> As a citizen, and if elected Consul, I will encourage people to

attend

> regional events, such as the Conventus in Europe, and I will work

to create

> such an event in the United States.
>
> Local groups are very important to the life of any organization,

and Nova

> Roma should support the existing local groups, and encourage the

foundation

> of new ones.
>
> *[Encouraging citizens to become involved in the work of

government. ]*

>
> Nova Roma needs a steady influx of new citizens. As our current

citizens

> rise through the cursus honorum there will need to be new citizens

to take

> their place. In order for Nova Roma to be a thriving organization

we will

> need our citizens to get involved. I believe in supporting

citizens to

> become active. If elected Consul I will support new citizens, as

well as

> established ones within my consular staff to help some new

citizens get a

> grasp of our process. If you want to be involved, you will only

need to ask.

>
>
> Valete:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> Candidate for Consul
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana et salvete querites!

From what I have read about the Roman arenas, many species of
animals were brought to the verge of extinction!

I like your thoughtful posts that tie in modern world and
environmental concerns. I have grown up with pets such as dogs, cats
and birds all my life and always detested cruelty to animals. There
are countless examples cited where notorious, bullies, murderers or
infamous serial killers began their dubious life styles by torturing
and killing animals for sport. Such actions by individuals should
always be a red flag to many of us.

I support what you say, do contribute to helping animals in the
macro world and would encourage our NR citizens to dp the same!

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.
>
> [long post]
>
> The previous 250 messages prompt me to post this now. I think
> it is relevant as it stems from Roman history, and relates to
> the modern attitudes incorporated into the Declaratio of NR,
> and other material on the main website.
>
> NR has decided that it supports equality between people:
> slavery was Roman, but is not Nova Roman; women could not
> hold political office in the Republic, but can in NR, etc.
>
> I'm asking that any cives who care about animals, give some
> thought to the following article. Perhaps in your macro life
> you might wish to take action, even if just by learning more
> about the subject.
>
> We do have our virtual blood sports in NR, but they are
> *virtual*. I have just particpated in my second Ludi.
> Executed (pun intended) with some thought, the virtual Ludi
> can teach us all one truth I learned during 13 years of martial
> arts in Japan: If you truly understand violence, you cannot
> be a violent person.
>
> However, just like human slavery, *real* animal blood sports
> are still very much a part of our *real* world. Is NR
> ready to tuck real-world animal blood sports into the same
> round file as real-world slavery, and say we officially do
> not condone them?
>
> With the closing of our most recent Ludi, now seems a good
> time to broach the topic.
>
>
> ===============================================================
>
> EXPOSING THE DOG-FIGHTING UNDERWORLD
> by Dr. Stanley Coren
>
> In ancient Rome, beginning with Emperor Lucullus, the Colosseum
> combats featured not only human gladiators, but also a variety
> of animals pitted against one another. The Roman invasion
> and occupation of Britain was motivated, in part, by the fact
> that large powerful dogs (namely Irish wolfhounds and Scottish
> deerhounds) could be found there. Many of these dogs were sent
> to Rome to die in the arena.
>
> The Romans introduced similar sports into Britain. Long after
> Rome had fallen, bull and bear baiting, in which a dog was
> placed in a "pit" or dug-out ring to combat a bull or bear,
> were popular. These sports appealed not only to the masses,
> but also to aristocrats.
>
> Humane groups rallied against the cruelty of pit fights, and
> in 1835 an act of parliament outlawed baiting sports. After
> the ban, the owners of "bulldogs," the name given to dogs used
> to bait bulls, bears and other animals, began to stage fights
> between two dogs to satisfy the demand for blood sports and
> gambling. Dogfighting soon moved to the Americas, but by the
> early 20th century Canada and most states had banned these
> activities.
>
> If dogfights are illegal, and merely a cruel sport of the
> past, why should we worry today? Because, unfortunately,
> dogfighting has not disappeared. Several years ago, I
> accompanied a man associated with the Michigan Humane Society
> to such an event. He was gathering information on dogfighting
> in and around Detroit to provide to the authorities.
>
> Around 150 people gathered in a vacant auto-repair garage,
> in which a ring with low plywood walls had been assembled.
> the pre-fight ritual began with weighing the dogs (they must
> not differ by more than a couple of pounds) and then the dogs
> were washed with soapy water to remove any drugs or poison
> that may have been placed on their fur to harm their opponent.
> The rules of the fight are ancient -- the dogs fight until
> one is too injured to continue or alternatively turns and
> runs in defeat. The fight I saw lasted more than 45 minutes,
> with spectators making bids in the thousands of dollars.
>
> My associate informed me that there was a Canadian connection:
> "Staging dogfights or training dogs for fighting is illegal
> in all U.S. states. Although dogfighting is illegal in
> Canada, training dogs for fighting is not, so many of the dogs
> we see here were bought and trained in Southern Ontario and
> British Columbia."
>
> As we left the blood-spattered ring, we passed a pickup truck
> that contained the dog who lost the fight. He was no longer
> breathing. I wondered, sadly, about how little moral progress
> some humans have made since he days of the Roman gladiators.
>
> (Dr. Stanley Coren is a Professor of Psychology at the
> University of British Columbia and author of many books
> on dogs. His website is www.stanleycoren.com)
>
> source: ANIMAL SENSE magazine, Fall/Winter 2005, page 19.
> published by BCSPCA, website: www.spca.bc.ca
>
> =============================================================
>
> Dogfighting is also definitely alive and kicking in Japan,
> where I lived for 13 years. (Ohayo, sensei Phil.) A friend
> of mine who was a Japanese police officer (mature, family man
> with kids, etc.) showed me his photos and memorabilia from a
> fight event he attended on Shikoku Island (I don't think he
> had taken his teen-aged son along). The dogs favored are the
> Tosa-inu; they are huge animals, and bred for violence.
> The system is well established, and the dogs are ranked like
> sumo wrestlers, with the yokozuna ("grand champion") even
> being decked out in the huge straw rope of victory like a
> human yokozuna. The particular yokozuna-inu featured on the
> full-colour glossy ticket stub, looked like an advertisement
> for a zipper company. Its chest and flanks were criss-crossed
> by long, deep scar-lines where it had been repeatedly stitched
> back together.
>
> And that's just one example of the survival of animal blood
> sports.
>
> So there you have it. The Roman heritage includes blood sports,
> slavery, and exclusion of women from public office. NR
> officially varies from historical precedent on two of those
> counts. Is NR willing to take an official stance on real-world
> blood sports, in the same way it has taken an official stance on
> slavery and women's right to hold office?
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read this lengthy post.
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum.
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS Ancient history Fall of the roman empire The

fall of the roman empire

> Roman empire
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> a.. Visit your group "Nova-Roma" on the web.
>
> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms

of Service.

>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date:

11/20/2005

>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------

> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> a.. Visit your group "Nova-Roma" on the web.
>
> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms

of Service.

>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Personally I loathe cruelty except to the cruel: hunt foxhounds with leopards
and there'd soon be no argument about hunting! However, I can't justify except
on the very Roman ground of bad taste, betting on animals wich would fight
naturally, such as dog and cock fighting - the last very much alive and well in
the Far East - or even Siamese fish! Baiting only has one possible outcome, it
is just a matter of how long it takes and how many animals die achieving it.
Hare coursing is still permitted here, another one-sided 'contest'. In a strange
way, I can have more respect for betting on two like animals fighting each
other than for following one with a pack of dogs and followers whether mounted
or on foot. For sheer false machismo cowardice, I take shark fishing, since a
shark will go for anything and no human being is strong enough anyway to land
it, so the whole thing consists of bragging what a man I am to watch a big fish
unable to prevent catching itself on a big hook attached to a small boat: some
expertise that takes!
Caesariensis





Salve G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana et salvete querites!

From what I have read about the Roman arenas, many species of
animals were brought to the verge of extinction!

I like your thoughtful posts that tie in modern world and
environmental concerns. I have grown up with pets such as dogs, cats
and birds all my life and always detested cruelty to animals. There
are countless examples cited where notorious, bullies, murderers or
infamous serial killers began their dubious life styles by torturing
and killing animals for sport. Such actions by individuals should
always be a red flag to many of us.

I support what you say, do contribute to helping animals in the
macro world and would encourage our NR citizens to dp the same!

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.
>
> [long post]
>
> The previous 250 messages prompt me to post this now. Ithink
> it is relevant as it stems from Roman history, andrelates to
> the modern attitudes incorporated into theDeclaratio of NR,
> and other material on the mainwebsite.
>
> NR has decided that it supports equality between people:
> slavery was Roman, but is not Nova Roman; women could not
> hold political office in the Republic, but can in NR,etc.
>
> I'm asking that any cives who care about animals, givesome
> thought to the following article. Perhaps inyour macro life
> you might wish to take action, even ifjust by learning more
> about the subject.
>
> We do have our virtual blood sports in NR, but they are
> *virtual*. I have just particpated in my secondLudi.
> Executed (pun intended) with some thought,the virtual Ludi
> can teach us all one truth I learnedduring 13 years of martial
> arts in Japan: If youtruly understand violence, you cannot
> be a violentperson.
>
> However, just like human slavery, *real* animal blood sports
> are still very much a part of our *real* world. IsNR
> ready to tuck real-world animal blood sports into thesame
> round file as real-world slavery, and say weofficially do
> not condone them?
>
> With the closing of our most recent Ludi, now seems a good
> time to broach the topic.
>
>
> ===============================================================
>
> EXPOSING THE DOG-FIGHTING UNDERWORLD
> by Dr. Stanley Coren
>
> In ancient Rome, beginning with Emperor Lucullus, theColosseum
> combats featured not only human gladiators, butalso a variety
> of animals pitted against oneanother. The Roman invasion
> and occupation ofBritain was motivated, in part, by the fact
> that largepowerful dogs (namely Irish wolfhounds and Scottish
> deerhounds) could be found there. Many of these dogs were sent
> to Rome to die in the arena.
>
> The Romans introduced similar sports into Britain. Longafter
> Rome had fallen, bull and bear baiting, in which adog was
> placed in a "pit" or dug-out ring tocombat a bull or bear,
> were popular. These sportsappealed not only to the masses,
> but also toaristocrats.
>
> Humane groups rallied against the cruelty of pit fights,and
> in 1835 an act of parliament outlawed baitingsports. After
> the ban, the owners of "bulldogs," the name given to dogs used
> to bait bulls, bearsand other animals, began to stage fights
> between two dogsto satisfy the demand for blood sports and
> gambling. Dogfighting soon moved to the Americas, but by the
> early 20th century Canada and most states had banned these
> activities.
>
> If dogfights are illegal, and merely a cruel sport of the
> past, why should we worry today? Because, unfortunately,
> dogfighting has not disappeared. Several yearsago, I
> accompanied a man associated with the MichiganHumane Society
> to such an event. He was gatheringinformation on dogfighting
> in and around Detroit toprovide to the authorities.
>
> Around 150 people gathered in a vacant auto-repair garage,
> in which a ring with low plywood walls had beenassembled.
> the pre-fight ritual began with weighing thedogs (they must
> not differ by more than a couple ofpounds) and then the dogs
> were washed with soapy water toremove any drugs or poison
> that may have been placed ontheir fur to harm their opponent.
> The rules of the fightare ancient -- the dogs fight until
> one is too injured tocontinue or alternatively turns and
> runs in defeat. The fight I saw lasted more than 45 minutes,
> withspectators making bids in the thousands of dollars.
>
> My associate informed me that there was a Canadianconnection:
> "Staging dogfights or training dogs forfighting is illegal
> in all U.S. states. Althoughdogfighting is illegal in
> Canada, training dogs forfighting is not, so many of the dogs
> we see here werebought and trained in Southern Ontario and
> BritishColumbia."
>
> As we left the blood-spattered ring, we passed a pickuptruck
> that contained the dog who lost the fight. Hewas no longer
> breathing. I wondered, sadly, abouthow little moral progress
> some humans have made since hedays of the Roman gladiators.
>
> (Dr. Stanley Coren is a Professor of Psychology at the
> University of British Columbia and author of many books
> on dogs. His website is www.stanleycoren.com)
>
> source: ANIMAL SENSE magazine, Fall/Winter 2005, page19.
> published by BCSPCA, website: www.spca.bc.ca
>
> =============================================================
>
> Dogfighting is also definitely alive and kicking in Japan,
> where I lived for 13 years. (Ohayo, sensei Phil.) A friend
> of mine who was a Japanese police officer(mature, family man
> with kids, etc.) showed me his photosand memorabilia from a
> fight event he attended onShikoku Island (I don't think he
> had taken his teen-agedson along). The dogs favored are the
> Tosa-inu; they arehuge animals, and bred for violence.
> The system iswell established, and the dogs are ranked like
> sumowrestlers, with the yokozuna ("grand champion") even
> being decked out in the huge straw rope of victory like a
> human yokozuna. The particular yokozuna-inu featured onthe
> full-colour glossy ticket stub, looked like anadvertisement
> for a zipper company. Its chest andflanks were criss-crossed
> by long, deep scar-lines whereit had been repeatedly stitched
> back together.
>
> And that's just one example of the survival of animalblood
> sports.
>
> So there you have it. The Roman heritage includes bloodsports,
> slavery, and exclusion of women from publicoffice. NR
> officially varies from historicalprecedent on two of those
> counts. Is NR willing totake an official stance on real-world
> blood sports, inthe same way it has taken an official stance on
> slaveryand women's right to hold office?
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read this lengthy post.
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum.
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS Ancient history Fall of the romanempire The

fall of the roman empire

> Roman empire
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> a.. Visit your group "Nova-Roma"on the web.
>
> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send anemail to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groupsis subject to the Yahoo! Terms

of Service.

>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - ReleaseDate:

11/20/2005

>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------

> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> a..&n

SPONSORED LINKS
Ancient history
Fall of the roman empire
The fall of the romanempire
Roman empire




YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

Visit your group "Nova-Roma" on theweb.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an emailto:
Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.










"You drank beer, you played golf, you watched football - WE EVOLVED!" -
Frank Zappa.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> A. Tullia Scholastica A. Apollonio Cordo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> omnibus S.P.D.
>
> A. Apollonius M. Julio omnibusque sal.
>
> Wow! Impressive work! Many thanks to you and your
> assistants.
>
> ATS: Plurimas gratias. We had corrected the first 50 or so laws in their
> entirety when our webmaster disappeared with the temporary working site, so we
> shall have to do this work all over again. Fortunately I happen to have lists
> of all of the corrections...and they are many.
>
> Only one question:
>
>> > LXCVIII.LEX EQVITIA DE FAMILIA
>> > (formerly Lex Equitia familiaris)
>
> Shouldn't this be the other way round? It was
> originally called the lex de familia.
>
> ATS: Yes, indeed it should, as I have informed Praetor Perusianus. As you
> are no doubt aware, Corde, both are grammatically correct, but our magister
> has informed us that the adjectival form is more elegant, so we chose that.
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>
>
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Marco Iulio Perusiano Cohoribus sal.

(Is that right Flavia? Seriously, I welcome your corrections)

I'd like as a citizen and Senator to thank the Praetor and his staff,
Flavia, Equitius Cato et all for the excellent work in these
corrections,etc.....and alot of work that was, no doubt.

And kudos also to Caius Minucius Scaevola Magister for his willingness
to quickly resume alot of work which he had only a partial term to
complete.

Avete

Salve, Everyone!

I started with Nova Roma a long time ago, but let my membership lapse
until it was removed. It's wonderful to be back now, and I would like
to reintroduce myself to you all.

As I am again a newbie here, part of my name is dependent upon my
being accepted into the gens I desire, so for the moment please just
call me Gaia. I am 35 years old, married with one teenage son, and I
work as a programmer analyst. I am very much into the Religio and
magic, but there is much I have to learn about it. My patrons are
Hecate, Pluto and Apollo.

I am also into the Latin language and have now brought my Wheelock
book out of storage! Carpe diem! ;)

I'm a jolly gal. I love to laugh and have a warm, friendly, mothering
nature. I'm also very opinionated, however, and have no tolerance for
lying, dishonesty and disrespect of women. I love science, art,
history, culture, but most of all Astronomy and Astrology. I'm very
politically savvy, and generally take a centrist Democrat stand on
things.

This is me, folks! I hope to learn a lot and share my journey into
Roman living with you all.

Vale,

Gaia

Salve Gaia

Welcome back!

May you enjoy the next 40 or so years with us in Nova Roma.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: ladycarissastormbringer<mailto:cant97@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:18 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Intro


Salve, Everyone!

I started with Nova Roma a long time ago, but let my membership lapse
until it was removed. It's wonderful to be back now, and I would like
to reintroduce myself to you all.

As I am again a newbie here, part of my name is dependent upon my
being accepted into the gens I desire, so for the moment please just
call me Gaia. I am 35 years old, married with one teenage son, and I
work as a programmer analyst. I am very much into the Religio and
magic, but there is much I have to learn about it. My patrons are
Hecate, Pluto and Apollo.

I am also into the Latin language and have now brought my Wheelock
book out of storage! Carpe diem! ;)

I'm a jolly gal. I love to laugh and have a warm, friendly, mothering
nature. I'm also very opinionated, however, and have no tolerance for
lying, dishonesty and disrespect of women. I love science, art,
history, culture, but most of all Astronomy and Astrology. I'm very
politically savvy, and generally take a centrist Democrat stand on
things.

This is me, folks! I hope to learn a lot and share my journey into
Roman living with you all.

Vale,

Gaia







------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

a.. Visit your group "Nova-Roma<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma>" on the web.

b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>

c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Lucretio Agricolae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> omnibus S.P.D.
>
>
> M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.
>
> My thanks to the Censores for permitting me to join the Ordo Equester.
>
> I have little to offer you, Citizens, Socii and Guests, but a few
> small things with a Roman theme at a CafePress shop at
> http://www.cafepress.com/domuslucretius
>
> There are Saturnalia greeting cards and Saturnalia postcards which I
> hope will find favor with you. Everything there is set at zero markup
> and will stay that way at least until the Ides of December.
>
>
>
> I would like to take a moment to say that I hope many more of us will
> find a way to contribute to our little Nova Roman economy. I don't
> think it needs to be a big thing.
>
> What about a maker of caligae, for example, or someone to make some
> nice brass plates for a balteus?
>
> ATS: Both are available via links on the Legio XX and probably the Legio
> XXIV sites.
>
> Perhaps there is an antiquarian
> bookseller here? We have now only a single well-known source for
> tunicae, can we not have another?
>
> ATS: There is another affiliated with Legio XX, and I believe that
> another citizen mentioned that he did such work in Europe.
>
> And let us not forget our global
> span. Surely postage and time could be saved with suppliers on both
> sides of the great ocean.
>
> ATS: Indeed. Please don¹t be shy; citizens who do this kind of work
> should find a market among us. You don¹t have to be pushy; just let us know
> you are there, and give us a link so we can see your wares.
>
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus, praesertim
Senatrici Pompeiae Minuciae-Tiberiae Straboni S.P.D.

>
> Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Marco Iulio Perusiano Cohoribus sal.
>
> ATS: Almost. Just one missing letter and a change of number: Cohorti.
> (plural is cohortibus, but there¹s only one cohort)
>
> (Is that right Flavia? Seriously, I welcome your corrections)
>
> I'd like as a citizen and Senator to thank the Praetor and his staff,
> Flavia, Equitius Cato et all for the excellent work in these
> corrections,etc.....and alot of work that was, no doubt.
>
> And kudos also to Caius Minucius Scaevola Magister for his willingness
> to quickly resume alot of work which he had only a partial term to
> complete.
>
> ATS: Our former webmaster, Caluus, did a great job on correcting the laws
> as far as we went, but unfortunately stress in his personal life coupled with
> the difficulty of this project were too much for him at the time. I note that
> there are some errors in the list of titles Praetor Perusianus has supplied,
> mostly interchanging U and V; in the capitals, V alone should be used, but
> that is minor. Some of the original titles may be partially cut off in the
> list‹I¹d have to compare them. This is a huge project which I hope we can
> complete in the near future.
>
> Avete
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
>

A. Tullia Scholastica

>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete omnes civibus,

El Consul Fr. Apulus Caesar ha convocado las elecciones anuales en Nova Roma de acuerdo con el siguiente texto que ha sido traducido al espa�ol:

Fr, Apulus Caesar Consulis Quiritibus SPD



Se convoca oficialmente a los candidatos a las elecciones para las magistraturas ordinarias de los Comitia Centuriata y de los Comitia Populi Tributa.

Quien desee servir en alguno de dichos cargos, debe haber sido ciudadano durante por lo menos seis meses a la fecha de las Kal. Ian. MMDCCLIX (1 de enero de 2006) y ser assiduus (estar al corriente de sus impuestos). Convocar� a los comitia para las elecciones posteriormente, pero los candidatos pueden presentarse y comenzar sus campa�as, si as� lo desean.

Todos los candidatos deben informarme directamente de su intenci�n de presentarse, envi�ndome un mensaje a fraelov@... para que su nombre aparezca en la cesta electoral, incluyendo la palabra �Candidate� en el asunto del mensaje y proporcionando su nombre romano completo y el cargo al que aspiran. Por favor, env�enme de manera privada el mensaje de su candidatura; yo revisar� diariamente la lista principal de correo de Nova Roma, pero para asegurase, es conveniente que me escriban a la direcci�n arriba se�alada.

Las candidaturas ser�n aceptadas hasta el d�a 3 de diciembre de 2005 a las 8:00 PM, tiempo de Roma.

La Res Publica busca aspirantes para los siguientes cargos (los n�meros colocados delante de la denominaci�n del cargo, indican cu�ntos funcionarios ser�n elegidos):



1 CENSOR

Debe tener al menos 27 a�os de edad a la fecha de las Kal. Ian. 2759 (1 de enero de 2006). Debe haber servido por lo menos seis meses como consul, praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius (anteriormente curator araneae), editor commentariorum (anteriormente curator differum), rogador o gobernador provincial. Debe ser assiduus.



2 CONSULES

Deben tener al menos 27 a�os de edad a la fecha de las Kal. Ian. 2759 (1 de enero de 2006). Deben haber servido por lo menos seis meses como consul, praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius (anteriormente curator araneae), editor commentariorum (anteriormente curator differum), rogator o gobernador provincial. Debe ser assiduus.



2 PRAETORES

Deben tener al menos 25 a�os de edad a la fecha de las Kal. Ian. 2759 (1 de enero de 2006). Deben haber servido al menos seis meses como c�nsul, praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius (anteriormente curator araneae), editor commentariorum (anteriormente curator differum), rogator o gobernador provincial. Deben ser assiduus.



2 CURULE AEDILES

Deben tener al menos 21 a�os de edad a la fecha de las Kal. Ian. 2759 (1 de enero de 2006). Deben ser assiduus.



8 QUAESTORES

Deben tener al menos 21 a�os de edad a la fecha de las Kal. Ian. 2759 (1 de enero de 2006). Deben ser assiduus.



1 MAGISTER ARANEARIUS (webmaster)

Debe tener al menos 21 a�os de edad a la fecha de las Kal. Ian. 2759 (1 de enero de 2006). Debe ser assiduus.



1 EDITOR COMMENTARIORUM

Debe tener al menos 21 a�os de edad a la fecha de las Kal. Ian. 2759 (1 de enero de 2006). Debe ser assiduus.



2 ROGATORES

Deben tener al menos 21 a�os de edad a la fecha de las Kal. Ian. 2759 (1 de enero de 2006). Deben ser assiduus.



4 DIRIBITORES

Deben tener al menos 21 a�os de edad a la fecha de las Kal. Ian. 2759 (1 de enero de 2006). Deben ser assiduus.



2 CUSTODES

Deben tener al menos 21 a�os de edad a la fecha de las Kal. Ian. 2759 (1 de enero de 2006). Deben ser assiduus.



Se recomienda a los ciudadanos interesados en los cargos de Rogator, Diribitor y Custode, consultar el texto de la Lex Equitia de Vigintisexviris, en http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2004-10-07-vi.html para que se enteren de los correspondientes deberes y atribuciones.

Invito a todos los gobernadores para que hagan esta convocatoria a las elecciones anuales, del conocimiento de los ciudadanos que viven en sus respectivas provincias. Por favort, traduzcan este mensaje en su idioma natal y env�enlo a su lista provincial. Su colaboraci�n ser� muy apreciada.



Valete,



Franciscus Apulus Caesar

Senior Consul


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve! I am Sextus Octavius Lepidus

I am new to Nova Roma and i just wanted to take this chance to
introduce myself.

My name is Jordan, and i am only 18 years old,(yes a young one). But
believe me my young age does not do me honor. I have always been
interested in Roman History being half roman myself. I have been
studying it for many years and its one of my passions.

I think that this is an amazing thing going on here, and i am glad to
be apart of it. Ya never know i could be the First Emperor of Nova
Roma! :)

Don't Be shy, say hello sometime, i am eager to learn

With Love,

Sextus Octavius Lepidus

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.

My original post # 39682 [NR, Roma and Dogs of War] now has
7 replies from six cives. Thank you all for your interest.

With elections coming up, I will flag two issues that would
induce me to vote for a candidate, in a case where the
candidates otherwise seem equally meritorious.

1. SUPPORT FOR A LEX TO GOVERN CONFLICT OF INTEREST CASES.
A good many months of 2758 auc were torn up around a case
that, viewed from the outside, would qualify as conflict of
interest under a number of society guidelines. Candidates
who are willing to work toward some formalization of procedures
in cases of percieved conflict of interest will have my ear
(the one that wasn't deafened in the row over the Provocatio).

2. SUPPORT FOR AN ADDITION TO THE DECLARATIO OF NOVA ROMA,
STATING THAT NOVA ROMA OFFICIALLY DOES NOT CONDONE, AND IN FACT
DENOUNCES, ANIMAL BLOOD SPORTS AND ANIMAL CRUELTY WITH THE SAME
VIGOR THAT IT DENOUNCES SLAVERY AND THE OPPRESSION OF WOMEN.
Given the virtual Ludi (yourself an avid particpant), there is
ample room for the misperception that NR condones blood sports
in real life. Because we claim to be a re-establishment of
Republican Rome, where all three activities were common, it is
important to distance Nova Roma from the third injustice in
this list--animal blood sports and animal cruelty.

Our Republic can only benefit from an improved public image
through support for these two issues.

Valete bene in pace Deorum.


G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana.

M. Hortensia G. Aureliae Falconis spd;
salve, this is an utter impossibility. Though by nature & practice
I am a Pythagorean, I must remind you members of the Religio have
every right to conduct animal sacrifice. No one can interfere or
prohibit this traditional expression of Roman piety. This has been
argues ad nauseum on the ML so please no flame wars. We must respect
everyone's personal religiosity.
vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

M. Lucretius Agricola M. Hortensiae Maiori S.P.D.

I don't think that "DOES NOT CONDONE, AND IN FACT DENOUNCES, ANIMAL
BLOOD SPORTS AND ANIMAL CRUELTY" in any way would interfere with
animal sacrifice in the Religio, because the proper conduct of the
Religio would not constitute a sport and would not be done in a cruel
fashion. If needed, any lex or other statement could include language
to exclude the Religio.

Like you I am personally opposed to such things, and have said so here
in the past, but of course I would insist that the Religio remain
unfettered.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia G. Aureliae Falconis spd;
> salve, this is an utter impossibility. Though by nature & practice
> I am a Pythagorean, I must remind you members of the Religio have
> every right to conduct animal sacrifice. No one can interfere or
> prohibit this traditional expression of Roman piety. This has been
> argues ad nauseum on the ML so please no flame wars. We must respect
> everyone's personal religiosity.
> vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>

In a message dated 11/22/2005 12:05:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
silvanatextrix@... writes:
Because we claim to be a re-establishment of
Republican Rome, where all three activities were common, it is
important to distance Nova Roma from the third injustice in
this list--animal blood sports and animal cruelty.
Oh Gods this again? Or are you trolling?

I accept your revulsion against Blood, but do not attempt to dictate in our
forum. Show people the same consideration that they show your beliefs.

Q. Fabius Maximus


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

M. Lucretius Agricola M. Hortensiae Maiori S.P.D.

I don't think that "DOES NOT CONDONE, AND IN FACT DENOUNCES, ANIMAL
BLOOD SPORTS AND ANIMAL CRUELTY" in any way would interfere with
animal sacrifice in the Religio, because the proper conduct of the
Religio would not constitute a sport and would not be done in a cruel
fashion. If needed, any lex or other statement could include language
to exclude the Religio.

Like you I am personally opposed to such things, and have said so here
in the past, but of course I would insist that the Religio remain
unfettered.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia G. Aureliae Falconis spd;
> salve, this is an utter impossibility. Though by nature & practice
> I am a Pythagorean, I must remind you members of the Religio have
> every right to conduct animal sacrifice. No one can interfere or
> prohibit this traditional expression of Roman piety. This has been
> argues ad nauseum on the ML so please no flame wars. We must respect
> everyone's personal religiosity.
> vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>

avete Pompeia et Scholastica,

> > I'd like as a citizen and Senator to thank the Praetor and his

staff,...

you're welcome, also on their behalf :-)

...

>I note that
> > there are some errors in the list of titles Praetor Perusianus has

supplied,

> > mostly interchanging U and V; in the capitals, V alone should be

used, but

> > that is minor.

.... you're right, Scholastica. I think the best thing is proceeding
with the modifications in the Tabularium and, at the end, myself or a
new elected Praetor, send to the People a new and final edictum
stating the names of the leges and the complete list.

valete
M IVL PERVSIANVS
Praetor

Salvete Romani!

I used to be a citizen of Nova Roma and a member of this wonderful
society some time ago, so it is my second birth in this world.

I live in a Venedia province, in Western Poland, and I've been a
member of local and national ancient history groups and societies
since highschool. Currently I am 27 years old.

Venedia was never conquered by Roman Empire. But what has not been
done by Romans, should be done by NewRomans!

Valete

SALVE !

You are welcome and I'm glad to see you here. I respect the Poland
great history.
And I love Sienkiewicz. Esspecially his medieval trilogy.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "spuriusdo" <spuriusdo@y...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Romani!
>
> I used to be a citizen of Nova Roma and a member of this wonderful
> society some time ago, so it is my second birth in this world.
>
> I live in a Venedia province, in Western Poland, and I've been a
> member of local and national ancient history groups and societies
> since highschool. Currently I am 27 years old.
>
> Venedia was never conquered by Roman Empire. But what has not been
> done by Romans, should be done by NewRomans!
>
> Valete
>

C. Equitius Cato G. Aureliae Falconi Silvanae quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Aurelia Silvana, I'd like to look at both your proposals and see where
we might find common ground.


"1. SUPPORT FOR A LEX TO GOVERN CONFLICT OF INTEREST CASES.
A good many months of 2758 auc were torn up around a case
that, viewed from the outside, would qualify as conflict of
interest under a number of society guidelines."

CATO: A very interesting point, and reasonable. The immediate answer
is to write and adopt leges that remove the ambiguities that got us to
that point in the first place.

This is, however, only a stop-gap measure. As you already know, I am
among a group of citizens interested in exploring ways to make our
legal foundations more in line with the ancient Republic; this
involves abandoning the written Constitution which is, in fact, the
central reason for each and every one of the kind of disputes you
recognize as "conflict of interest". But leges are at least a
reasonable response while the written Constitution exists --- and in
fact some of us have called for the magistrates empowered to do so to
present the People with proposed leges to decide these issues.



"2. SUPPORT FOR AN ADDITION TO THE DECLARATIO OF NOVA ROMA,
STATING THAT NOVA ROMA OFFICIALLY DOES NOT CONDONE, AND IN FACT
DENOUNCES, ANIMAL BLOOD SPORTS AND ANIMAL CRUELTY WITH THE SAME
VIGOR THAT IT DENOUNCES SLAVERY AND THE OPPRESSION OF WOMEN.
Given the virtual Ludi, there is ample room for the misperception that
NR condones blood sports in real life. Because we claim to be a
re-establishment of Republican Rome, where all three activities were
common, it is important to distance Nova Roma from the third injustice
in this list--animal blood sports and animal cruelty."

CATO: I would not assume that this has anything to do with animal
sacrifices, unlike the esteemed tribune Hortensia Maior --- although
the tribune's argument is reasonable. Whether or not animal sacrifice
is to one's liking, it *is* an element of several major religious
belief systems, the religio included; the right of a citizen to follow
their conscience regarding this act cannot be infringed upon, and the
College of Pontiffs came up with an intelligent and workable
compromise regarding it.

But just to cover the bases, using the US *only as an example*, there
are laws in every one of the 50 US States regarding cruelty to
animals, yet many states (New York included) also have guidelines
which provide for specifically religious practices involving the
sacrifice of animals. So it is possible to sacrifice an animal in the
US without breaching the laws regarding cruelty to animals --- and
therefore it is possible for a Nova Roman citizen living in the US to
do so. So Nova Roma could adopt an official position of
non-toleration of cruelty to animals without infringing the rights of
practitioners of the religio.

I agree that we should not tolerate cruelty to animals; it is a
horrendous and base act to treat an animal cruelly, and in fact I
personally believe that it is a violation both of the trust placed in
us by the animals themselves and the care into which these animals
have been placed by He Who created them --- and us. But I beg you to
remember (as I must myself) that the law is not inherently about what
is "right" or "wrong" in any kind of moral sense; it is about creating
a framework under which a civilized society can function in the best
interests of its citizens. And Roman law in particular is
pre-eminently disposed towards resolving practical issues, not
over-arching moral or philosophical concepts.



Adopting a stance against blood sports is, in my opinion, the more
difficult of the two ideas. You cannot seperate the idea of blood
sports from the ludi, virtual or not. We all agree to a certain
suspension of disbelief in order to create the fiction of the ludi in
general, so there is the common understanding that of course there are
no *real* animals tearing each other apart in the arena. But to
announce that we decry blood sports yet have several occasions in
which to practice them in a virtual sense, and do so, is hypocritical.
If the Repubic is going to take any kind of position, I think we
should simply leave it at not tolerating cruelty to animals in general.

Vale et valete,

Cato

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Propraetor Pannoniae: Spurio Polonico, salutem:

Salve, Spuri!
(I don't know your full name, just your yahoo ID refers your praenomen is Spurius)

I salute you wholeheartedly as the governor of Provincia Pannonia, which consists of Hungary, Slovakia and Czech Republic. So we are neighbours! :-)
I myself am a Hungarian, and as the proverb says:

"Polak, Węgier dwa bratanki, i do szabli i do szklanki." :-)
(Polish, Hungarian, two brothers: for the saber, for the glass.)

And really, I do have some Polack friends and I love your people. So feel free to ask anything if you need help in reorganizing your Provioncia Venedia!

There is an old-new mailinglist for East European Nova Romans (silent, however - I hope just presently) to which I would like to invite you!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_EuropaOrientalis/

I will wait for you in this NR_EuropaOrientalis ML!

VALE QUAM OPTIME!
Cn. Lentulus PROPR

spuriusdo <spuriusdo@...> ha scritto: Salvete Romani!

I used to be a citizen of Nova Roma and a member of this wonderful
society some time ago, so it is my second birth in this world.

I live in a Venedia province, in Western Poland, and I've been a
member of local and national ancient history groups and societies
since highschool. Currently I am 27 years old.

Venedia was never conquered by Roman Empire. But what has not been
done by Romans, should be done by NewRomans!

Valete





Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis Fr. Apuli Caesaris
Scriba Aedilis Curulis L. Iulii Sullae
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae Tulliae Scholasticae Senior
Scriba Magistri Araneari Q. Cassi Calvi Iunior
Sodalis Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Latinista, Classicus Philologus

---------------------------------
Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi, antispam, antivirus, POP3

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A. Apollonius Sex. Octavio, matronae sine nomine,
Venedo cujus nominem ignoro, omnibusque sal.

Welcome, Lepide! I hope you find it easy to settle in
here. Always feel free to ask if you don't understand
something. As for you being emperor, well, there are a
fair few people like myself whom you'll have to
proscribe before we let anyone have that job. :)

Welcome, lady with only her praenomen to go by! I
hesitate to call you "Gaia" because, as you'll
discover as the days pass, it's rather unusual and not
altogether polite to call someone by his or praenomen
on its own (unless one is a close relative or very
close friend - the praenomen is a rather private
name). But in any case, welcome, and good luck with
your application. For your interest in astronomy you
might find it interesting to join the sodalitas
Musarum, which is a group within Nova Roma interested
in the arts (widely interpreted) and which has a
specific sub-section for astronomy and the natural
sciences, currently led by our censor Cn. Equitius
Marinus, himself a professional in the field. And as
for your political allegiance, well, the nice thing
about Nova Roma is that it is a democratic republic,
so we are all republicans and we are all democrats.
;)

Welcome back, o gentleman (or lady?) from Venedia!
Your return comes at an opportune moment, for this is
a time when the revival and growth of our provinces is
very much in people's minds. I hope you find it easy
to resume your place in our community.



___________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Model Search 2005 - Find the next catwalk superstars - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/

Salve, Sexte Octavi Lepide!

Welcome, young Skywalker! :-)

Be sure it's a pleasure to every Nova Roman to see young people are devoted to Rome. When I was 18 I would be ready to burst if I had heard or seen such a Roman Communtity, or even more if I had become its member.
Nova Roma is a great opportunity to learn more about the ancient Rome and to experience "the Roman Life Today". But Nova Roma is even more: we are somewhat nation, a republic. It's not a game at all or a reenactment. And someday, if the gods help us, we will be it factually.

If you really mean your citizenship, there are many things you can do to be more and more real Roman. To learn Latin, participate in reenactment events, take part in NR meetings if there are near to your home, learn Roman history, litterature, pholosophy, and to practice the Roman Religion (belief is not important from this point of view).

Enjoy the New Rome, and ask if something not clear: NR can be a bit confusing at first ;-)

Vale quam optime!




Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis Fr. Apuli Caesaris
Scriba Aedilis Curulis L. Iulii Sullae
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae Tulliae Scholasticae Senior
Scriba Magistri Araneari Q. Cassi Calvi Iunior
Sodalis Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Latinista, Classicus Philologus

---------------------------------
Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi, antispam, antivirus, POP3

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Corneli!

I'm very glad to see Pannonian neghbours here. To tell you the truth,
I am a frequent guest in the Czech Republic, Slovakia and
Uzhgorod(former Ungvar, currently in Ukraine).
We in Poland also know that proverb...
"Lengyel, magyar ket jobarat, egyutt harcol s issza borat";-)

Thank you for the mailing list - I am going to sign in right now.

Spurius Domitius Scaevola

> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Propraetor Pannoniae: Spurio Polonico, salutem:
>
> Salve, Spuri!
> (I don't know your full name, just your yahoo ID refers your

praenomen is Spurius)

>
> I salute you wholeheartedly as the governor of Provincia Pannonia,

which consists of Hungary, Slovakia and Czech Republic. So we are
neighbours! :-)

> I myself am a Hungarian, and as the proverb says:
>
> "Polak, Węgier dwa bratanki, i do szabli i do szklanki." :-)
> (Polish, Hungarian, two brothers: for the saber, for the glass.)
>
> And really, I do have some Polack friends and I love your people.

So feel free to ask anything if you need help in reorganizing your
Provioncia Venedia!

>
> There is an old-new mailinglist for East European Nova Romans

(silent, however - I hope just presently) to which I would like to
invite you!

>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_EuropaOrientalis/
>
> I will wait for you in this NR_EuropaOrientalis ML!
>
> VALE QUAM OPTIME!
> Cn. Lentulus PROPR
>
> spuriusdo <spuriusdo@y...> ha scritto: Salvete Romani!
>
> I used to be a citizen of Nova Roma and a member of this wonderful
> society some time ago, so it is my second birth in this world.
>
> I live in a Venedia province, in Western Poland, and I've been a
> member of local and national ancient history groups and societies
> since highschool. Currently I am 27 years old.
>
> Venedia was never conquered by Roman Empire. But what has not been
> done by Romans, should be done by NewRomans!
>
> Valete
>
>
>
>
>
> Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
> Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
> Accensus Consulis Fr. Apuli Caesaris
> Scriba Aedilis Curulis L. Iulii Sullae
> Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae Tulliae Scholasticae Senior
> Scriba Magistri Araneari Q. Cassi Calvi Iunior
> Sodalis Sodalitatis Latinitatis
> Latinista, Classicus Philologus
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi, antispam, antivirus, POP3
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete omnes,

I wasn't aware that animal sacrifice constituted animal cruelty. If that is the case then no one here better be eating meat of any kind! From my point of view a sacrificial animal is treated with a heck of a lot more respect than an animal butchered for the supermarket shelves. Do you not also eat the beast after? One thing is animal cruelty, which I will not condone, another is what PETA heralds, which I find to be more than a bit kooky.

Vires et honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

----- Original Message -----
From: Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:37 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: NR Upcoming Election Platforms


M. Hortensia G. Aureliae Falconis spd;
salve, this is an utter impossibility. Though by nature & practice
I am a Pythagorean, I must remind you members of the Religio have
every right to conduct animal sacrifice. No one can interfere or
prohibit this traditional expression of Roman piety. This has been
argues ad nauseum on the ML so please no flame wars. We must respect
everyone's personal religiosity.
vale
Marca Hortensia Maior






SPONSORED LINKS Ancient history Fall of the roman empire The fall of the roman empire
Roman empire


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

a.. Visit your group "Nova-Roma" on the web.

b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------




------------------------------------------------------------------------------


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cn. Lentulus Sp. Domitio omnibusque sal.:

I have answered you on the NR_EuropaOrientalis ML.
Thank you for the Hungarian version of this common proverb of both our peoples. So we have changed proverb like money :-)

By the way, when did you left NR formerly? And what was the start of your first citizenship?

Vale!
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus PROP


spuriusdo <spuriusdo@...> ha scritto: Salve Corneli!

I'm very glad to see Pannonian neghbours here. To tell you the truth,
I am a frequent guest in the Czech Republic, Slovakia and
Uzhgorod(former Ungvar, currently in Ukraine).
We in Poland also know that proverb...
"Lengyel, magyar ket jobarat, egyutt harcol s issza borat";-)

Thank you for the mailing list - I am going to sign in right now.

Spurius Domitius Scaevola

> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Propraetor Pannoniae: Spurio Polonico, salutem:
>
> Salve, Spuri!
> (I don't know your full name, just your yahoo ID refers your

praenomen is Spurius)

>
> I salute you wholeheartedly as the governor of Provincia Pannonia,

which consists of Hungary, Slovakia and Czech Republic. So we are
neighbours! :-)

> I myself am a Hungarian, and as the proverb says:
>
> "Polak, Węgier dwa bratanki, i do szabli i do szklanki." :-)
> (Polish, Hungarian, two brothers: for the saber, for the glass.)
>
> And really, I do have some Polack friends and I love your people.

So feel free to ask anything if you need help in reorganizing your
Provioncia Venedia!

>
> There is an old-new mailinglist for East European Nova Romans

(silent, however - I hope just presently) to which I would like to
invite you!

>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_EuropaOrientalis/
>
> I will wait for you in this NR_EuropaOrientalis ML!
>
> VALE QUAM OPTIME!
> Cn. Lentulus PROPR
>
> spuriusdo <spuriusdo@y...> ha scritto: Salvete Romani!
>
> I used to be a citizen of Nova Roma and a member of this wonderful
> society some time ago, so it is my second birth in this world.
>
> I live in a Venedia province, in Western Poland, and I've been a
> member of local and national ancient history groups and societies
> since highschool. Currently I am 27 years old.
>
> Venedia was never conquered by Roman Empire. But what has not been
> done by Romans, should be done by NewRomans!
>
> Valete

---------------------------------
Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Valeria Messallina,

Fidelius Graecus will do. ;-)

That's what I was thinking only I'm not presently anywhere near
there. I thought there must be someone in NR close by the Getty Villa
that might be inspired by such a construction. With all the projects
NR aims for, I'd hope someone someday might catch on to the idea of
an NR villa- something for the people to enjoy.

Vale bene,

L. Fidelius Graecus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina
<violetphearsen@y...> wrote:

>
> Salve, Lucius Fidelius Nexus
>
> Thank you for sharing the article. Very interesting, I must say.

Since I live here in southern California, I think I'll take a look at
this place, maybe take some pictures and post them for all to take a
gander at. Let's see what Nova Romans think of this "new" Roman
villa. (No pun intended.)

>
> Vale bene,
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
> lucius_fidelius <nexus909@h...> wrote:
> In new Getty Villa, a nod to Old World
> By Nicolai Ouroussoff The New York Times

> http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/11/20/news/getvilla.php

Salve, Citizens of Nova Roma !

I , Tiberius Galerius Paulinus respectfully come before you to ask for your support your and vote for the office of Praetor. I have asked for and received your support four times in the past and I ask for it again. I have had the honor of serving you as Curator Differium, Quaestor, Tribune and this year as a Consular Quaestor to the illustrious Consul Gaius Popillius Laenas.

I have endeavored to serve our Consuls diligently and to provide the population of Nova Roma with updated lists of taxpayers and to redress any problems that have arisen. I have held your offices in trust and have given them back to you with the luster still intact and I hope increased.

I am 48 years old, and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma since the 21st day of the Ianuarius 2755. I am employed as a teacher in the macro world, teaching government and history in Mediatlantica Provincia. I have the honor of serving our Censor Gnaeus Equitius Marinus as a Legate in his capacity as Propraetor.

I pledge to you to work as diligently as Praetor as I have in the other magistracies you have entrusted to my care. I will endeavor to fulfill the constitutional duty to "administer the law ", along with my, colleague, in a judicial and unbiased manner and will monitor the main list of Nova Roma in the same way. I will do so without regard to individuals and will strive to apply the law equally . I will also endeavor to perform all other duties of my office according to the best of my abilities and understanding and in adherence to the Constitution, and laws of Nova Roma .

As Praetor I would like to work with the other Magistrates to rewrite the Constitution as a "fundamental Lex, like the Twelve tables , bringing it closer to the Roman ideal. This effort would take into consideration any and all suggestions submitted to that end. Along with my colleague, I would work to maintain a civil and productive Forum ( List) and will moderate conduct as necessary and in accordance with the laws and constitution of Nova Roma.

I will continue to maintain the highest integrity and dedication to the welfare of Nova Roma and her citizens.

As I make my continuing journey along the Cursus Honorum I again ask for your support in this election effort.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Candidate for Praetor

Fortuna Favet Fortibus






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve

Unfortunately for his 15 years of labor, absolutely noone of historical
merit takes this work seriously- least of all Josephus or Tacitus.
Modern scholars would not even bother to dispute it. So feel free to
add it to the fictionalized canon of modern mythology where Jesus never
existed but married, had children and was Julius Caesar with suppressed
gnostic secrets. Apparently, you and this author make the case that
ancient Romans were complete imbeciles. I don't agree.

Valete,

-- LFG

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Octavius Giraldo-Vay"
<octavius@o...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes
> There is an investigative report that took 15 years to produce that
> clearly shows, with lots of evidence that Christianity originated
> from the Cult of Divus Iulius. There is of no wonder Jesus was
> nowhere to be found in the historical record, now, backed up by
> evidence it is obvious he existed but his name was, the Lord and
> saviour, descended from venus, the son of the earth ( Gaius)
> Pontifex maximus who resurrected...the god Iulius Caesar! It is all
> here. Valete omnes.

C. Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
I believe what Marca Hortensia Maior was trying to avoid was a long and
drawn out debate over the issue of animal sacrifice. This has been a very
heated discussion in the history of Nova Roma, and it is not a debate that
many of us want to revisit. I applaud her stance, and see it as evidence
that differing sides of a debate can come together to understand one another
better.
I do agree that animal sacrifice, in the traditional context, was much more
'humane' to animals than is the current factory farming proceedures. The
result of these farming techniques are -- as you say -- available in the
supermarket for consumption. Animal sacrifice, no matter what the tradition
(ie., whether it be ancient Roman or ancient Hebrew) would have been done in
a swift and respectable manner according to custom and tradition. Modern
butchering techniques, however, are done in such a way as to benefit the
distributor of the 'meat,' and this process is often times not done in what
many people would consider in a humane way. I have had friends in PETA, and
while I do not approve of their radical stance, I can -- at times --
sympathize with what they are trying to accomplish.
I don't believe I know of a single individual in Nova Roma who would
condone blood sport of anykind -- at least not anyone I would readily
associate myself with. The brutality of the arena is an anachronism, that I
am glad to see laid to rest. The virtual "blood sport" that is engaged upon
via the Ludi could be seen as potentially harmful if taken into a context
other than what it is. These virtual games are done for entertainment, and
are an aspect of Nova Roma that is "role-playing" but is sanctioned
"role-playing." Nova Roma as a whole, is not a re-enactment society (ie.,
like the SCA), and we should all take Romanitas very seriously (as I know
most of us do). However, the Ludi are conducted for several reasons; to
honor the Gods, to educate, and to entertain. These virtual games are a form
of entertainment. If we can watch television and see scenes of violence,
then it seems reasonable to illustrate scenes of violence. This does not
mean that Nova Roma supports mis-treatment of animals. These virtual games
are a means of competition, and are for fun. FUN being the key phrase. I
personally, do not participate in the virtual games. Its not my "thing," but
I fully respect the rights of others to participate in them in this
capacity. Some people may not find any fun in a virtual display of violence,
and I can fully understand this position, I would recommend abstaining from
participating if that is the case.
Valete;
C. Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 11/22/05, Sensei Phil Perez <senseiphil@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I wasn't aware that animal sacrifice constituted animal cruelty. If that
> is the case then no one here better be eating meat of any kind! From my
> point of view a sacrificial animal is treated with a heck of a lot more
> respect than an animal butchered for the supermarket shelves. Do you not
> also eat the beast after? One thing is animal cruelty, which I will not
> condone, another is what PETA heralds, which I find to be more than a bit
> kooky.
>
> Vires et honos,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maior
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:37 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: NR Upcoming Election Platforms
>
>
> M. Hortensia G. Aureliae Falconis spd;
> salve, this is an utter impossibility. Though by nature & practice
> I am a Pythagorean, I must remind you members of the Religio have
> every right to conduct animal sacrifice. No one can interfere or
> prohibit this traditional expression of Roman piety. This has been
> argues ad nauseum on the ML so please no flame wars. We must respect
> everyone's personal religiosity.
> vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete omnes,

I come to you here in a white toga. The reason to this toga candida
is that I have just informed our Consuls that I'm placing myself as a
candidate for Praetorship.

For me Praetorship means duty to oversee the peace of our official
lists and speak and act for justice. Peace and justice means to me,
in the office I humbly seek to be elected into, freedom of expression
and a right to be treated in a civilized way. Moderation of the main
list is obviously the most visible part of the Praetorian duties. I
support neither too strict nor too loose policy regarding the
mailinglist behaviour.

I have served the res publica in many scriba and assistant positions,
some of the dearest for me being accensus of Consul and scriba for
Praetor. I have been appointed to Propraetorship of Thule Province
and elected to Quaestor and Tribune. In all these offices, appointed
and elected, I have done my best and believe I have also been
succesful, but this is something for you to judge.

In short I say you should consider voting me because I'm qualified,
motified and by my nature suitable for Praetorship which is about
moderation also in the literal sense of the word.

You can find out more information about me and my opinions on the
webpage:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/saturninus

Valete,

Caius Curius Saturninus

C•CURIUM•PRAET•O•V•F
http://www.insulaumbra.com/saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

Salvete omnes,

It is great to see G. Galerius Tiberius running for the office of
praetor. His loyalty, dedication and public service to Nova Roma is
unquestionable and I have greatly respected his on determination and
tenacity in seeing that issues are addressed regardless of how his
personal popularity is affected. He goes to the trouble of researching
his materials and studying our laws ferreting out loopholes or grey
areas as he sees them; in short he is highly qualified for this office.
Based on these observations, I am going to voice my support for
Tiberius' bid for one of our praetors and encourage our citizens to do
the same!

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

Salvete again,

Pardon my mispelling Tiberius Galerius Paulinus' name. I just pulled
a long night shift and I sometimes reverse things when overtired. A
strong coffee didn't help so off to bed I go!

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
(Michael Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> It is great to see G. Galerius Tiberius running for the office of
> praetor. His loyalty, dedication and public service to Nova Roma is
> unquestionable and I have greatly respected his on determination

and

> tenacity in seeing that issues are addressed regardless of how his
> personal popularity is affected. He goes to the trouble of

researching

> his materials and studying our laws ferreting out loopholes or grey
> areas as he sees them; in short he is highly qualified for this

office.

> Based on these observations, I am going to voice my support for
> Tiberius' bid for one of our praetors and encourage our citizens to

do

> the same!
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
>

F. Galerius Aurelianus flamen Cerealis to the Senate and People of Nova Roma.

I whole-heartedly endorse the candidacy of G. Fabius Buteo Modianus for consul of Nova Roma. I truly believe that he will be an asset to our organization, an excellent magistrate, and will further our goals in the real world. He and I are brothers in the Religio and he has been one of the foremost advocates and teachers of our faith and practice. Few Nova Romans have demonstrated so well the virtues of firmitas, auctoritas, humanitas, and gravitas than G. Fabius Buteo Modianus. I believe that Dii Immortales will be well-honored and the public rites faithfully celebrated with Modianus as Consul.
Although he has been involved in many debates and discussions, some of which were very heated, he has remained dedicated to the ideals of Nova Roma and has never waivered in his continued support of our organization. I have always found him to be a good and faithful citizen even when we have had disagreements but he has never become profane or insulting as so many others are want to be.
Please read his list of priorities and goals carefully and email him to ask questions, as he has always been very quick to respond to those truly interested in his plans, goals, and beliefs. While most of our consuls have been good men, I believe that G. Fabius Buteo Modianus, if elected, will be measured among the very best. The public goals and virtues of pietas, salus, securitas, and fides will find a strong champion in this man. I encourage all of my fellow Plebs to join their hands and voices with mine in support of this most worthy and honorable candidate--Modianus for Consul.

Valete.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Franciscus Apulus Caesar <fraelov@...>
Sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:23:01 -0500
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus - Candidate for Consul


Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

During the Consulship of Gnaeus Equitius Marinus and Gnaeus Salvius Astur a
Senatus Consultum was approved by the senate that set priorities for Nova
Roma in order of precedence. If elected Consul I would continue in the
tradition established by these former consuls, and set these priorities as
my own.

The priorities are listed below in [ ], with an explanation as to how I
plan on supporting these priorities.

*[The Religio Romana; it's promotion, preservation, protection, and
diffusion throughout the communities of Nova Roma. ]*

An extremely important institution of Nova Roma is the Religio Romana. As
Consul, and as a Pontifex, I will work to encourage the Collegium Pontificum
to reform itself. I believe that reform is necessary within the Collegium
Pontificum. Establish clear expectations of all priests in Nova Roma; from
Sacerdos to Pontifex Maximus. Make sure the obligations of the priesthood
are fulfilled, and ensure that offerings are made by our priests on behalf
of the Senate, and People of Nova Roma on a regular basis. The blessings of
the Gods of Rome are essential for the survival of our Republic. We, as a
Republic, need to make the Religio Romana a priority, while still being
mindful of the need for tolerance and understanding. For those who embrace
the Gods of Rome we need to offer assistance in "promoting, preserving, and
protecting" the divine cults. For those who do not embrace the Gods of Rome,
but who respect those who do, we need to offer tolerance and acceptance as
fellow citizens.

*[Establishment of a Nova Roma Endowment and its long term growth. ]*

Monetary resources are essential to the long term survival of any
organization. The future of Nova Roma rests on decisions that are made now,
and the foundation that is laid today may grow into what we all hope, and
envision. With a well established endowment fund, the future of Nova Roma
can be secured. Through a process of continued, and systematic commitment to
the financial well being of Nova Roma our future will be secured. If a fund
is not already created, I will urge the senate to approve of one and make
sure it is maintained. A fund like this also needs more tax paying citizens.
A positive, and active Nova Roma means more tax payers.

*[Sustaining support of existing projects, including the publication of the
Eagle, the Aedilian Fund for the Magna Mater Project, the Scholarship Fund,
and the Land Fund. ]*

Maintaining the traditions that have been started by others are important,
because they build up our history. The continuance of existing programs is
important because it shows that we are committed to the endeavors that we
start. If elected Consul I would support the projects of me predecessors
with enthusiasm. This includes, but is not limited to, the Magna Mater
project.

*[Outreach, recruitment and retention of citizens, including fostering
interest in the activities of the Sodalities. ]*

I believe the Sodalities are important to Nova Roma because people join
Nova Roma for different reasons, and a strong body of Sodalities will make
Nova Roma stronger. Nova Roma should be able to be all things Roman to all
people interested in things Roman.
Additionally, I support the GO Roman project of the Sodalitas Egressus, and
if elected as Consul will encourage education of provincial governors so
they can understand how the Go Roman project can help build-up their
province. I will also encourage a grass roots recruitment and retention
program, involving provincial governors and their administrations.

*[Promotion of Local Group activities. ]*

The provinces are important to Nova Roma, because they help to facilitate
contact between Nova Romans. I fully support active provinces, and local
group activities. I believe as much support as possible should be given by
the senate and magistrates to facilitate the establishment of more local
groups. I believe Nova Roma should EMPOWER people to join together, and not
require so much "red tape" it makes it impossible to organize into local
groups.

As a citizen, and if elected Consul, I will encourage people to attend
regional events, such as the Conventus in Europe, and I will work to create
such an event in the United States.

Local groups are very important to the life of any organization, and Nova
Roma should support the existing local groups, and encourage the foundation
of new ones.

*[Encouraging citizens to become involved in the work of government. ]*

Nova Roma needs a steady influx of new citizens. As our current citizens
rise through the cursus honorum there will need to be new citizens to take
their place. In order for Nova Roma to be a thriving organization we will
need our citizens to get involved. I believe in supporting citizens to
become active. If elected Consul I will support new citizens, as well as
established ones within my consular staff to help some new citizens get a
grasp of our process. If you want to be involved, you will only need to ask.


Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

Candidate for Consul


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





Yahoo! Groups Links






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

F. Galerius Aurelianus to Gaia. Welcome home.

If you are looking for a family that shares your interests and beliefs, I would encourage you to write to Helena Galeria Aureliana, the materfamilias of the gens Galeria. Two of your patrons are also two of our patrons and our family numbers many members in both the Religio and the State. Please write to our mater, myself, Tb. Galerius Paulinus, or any member of our family to learn more about the Galeria.

May the Goddess grant you full fields and bountiful harvests. Vale.

-----Original Message-----
From: ladycarissastormbringer <cant97@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:18:06 -0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Intro


Salve, Everyone!

I started with Nova Roma a long time ago, but let my membership lapse
until it was removed. It's wonderful to be back now, and I would like
to reintroduce myself to you all.

As I am again a newbie here, part of my name is dependent upon my
being accepted into the gens I desire, so for the moment please just
call me Gaia. I am 35 years old, married with one teenage son, and I
work as a programmer analyst. I am very much into the Religio and
magic, but there is much I have to learn about it. My patrons are
Hecate, Pluto and Apollo.

I am also into the Latin language and have now brought my Wheelock
book out of storage! Carpe diem! ;)

I'm a jolly gal. I love to laugh and have a warm, friendly, mothering
nature. I'm also very opinionated, however, and have no tolerance for
lying, dishonesty and disrespect of women. I love science, art,
history, culture, but most of all Astronomy and Astrology. I'm very
politically savvy, and generally take a centrist Democrat stand on
things.

This is me, folks! I hope to learn a lot and share my journey into
Roman living with you all.

Vale,

Gaia









Yahoo! Groups Links






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

F. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

I offer my endorsement and support to my cousin and friend, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, in his candidacy for Praetor. This man loves Nova Roma as dearly as he loves the gens Galeria and he has always been a good and faithful public servant. He will fulfill the public beliefs of pietas, salus, securitas, concordia, and (if we are lucky) hilaritas. I ask my family and all my fellow citizens to vote Paulinus for Praetor.

Valete.

-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy P. Gallagher <spqr753@...>
To: Nova-Roma <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:39:27 -0500
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus for Praetor


Salve, Citizens of Nova Roma !

I , Tiberius Galerius Paulinus respectfully come before you to ask for your
support your and vote for the office of Praetor. I have asked for and received
your support four times in the past and I ask for it again. I have had the honor
of serving you as Curator Differium, Quaestor, Tribune and this year as a
Consular Quaestor to the illustrious Consul Gaius Popillius Laenas.

I have endeavored to serve our Consuls diligently and to provide the
population of Nova Roma with updated lists of taxpayers and to redress any
problems that have arisen. I have held your offices in trust and have given
them back to you with the luster still intact and I hope increased.

I am 48 years old, and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma since the 21st day of
the Ianuarius 2755. I am employed as a teacher in the macro world, teaching
government and history in Mediatlantica Provincia. I have the honor of serving
our Censor Gnaeus Equitius Marinus as a Legate in his capacity as Propraetor.

I pledge to you to work as diligently as Praetor as I have in the other
magistracies you have entrusted to my care. I will endeavor to fulfill the
constitutional duty to "administer the law ", along with my, colleague, in a
judicial and unbiased manner and will monitor the main list of Nova Roma in the
same way. I will do so without regard to individuals and will strive to apply
the law equally . I will also endeavor to perform all other duties of my office
according to the best of my abilities and understanding and in adherence to the
Constitution, and laws of Nova Roma .

As Praetor I would like to work with the other Magistrates to rewrite the
Constitution as a "fundamental Lex, like the Twelve tables , bringing it closer
to the Roman ideal. This effort would take into consideration any and all
suggestions submitted to that end. Along with my colleague, I would work to
maintain a civil and productive Forum ( List) and will moderate conduct as
necessary and in accordance with the laws and constitution of Nova Roma.

I will continue to maintain the highest integrity and dedication to the welfare
of Nova Roma and her citizens.

As I make my continuing journey along the Cursus Honorum I again ask for your
support in this election effort.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Candidate for Praetor

Fortuna Favet Fortibus






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





Yahoo! Groups Links






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete, quirites.

I hereby declare my candidacy for Praetor of Nova Roma. I am a
tax-paying citizen of the proper age and have performed the first step
of the Cursus Honorum as a Quaestor for Senior Consul Octavius during
the first tax collection.

I have also served the republic directly as Magister Aranearius, or
Curator Araneum as the position was known at the time. During the years,
I have held various assignments as scriba and accensus, for everything
from a Censor to a Virgintisexvirii.

In my own province, Provincia Thule, I have been Senior Legate and
Praeco Anarei (webmaster) for two propraetors.

As to other interests, you were probably unable to avoid noticing my
recent victory in the first Certamen Petronianum. I have hopes of one
day becoming an author, but that's in the future...for now, the victory
was a morale boost right when I needed one.

In regards to political affiliations, I am a member of the Libra
Alliance and support our six-point platform for the betterment of the
republic.

http://www.fraelovdesign.it/libra/platform.htm

As a brief summary, the Libra Alliance is a group of citizens, mostly
former or current magistrates, who share a common dream of what Nova
Roma could become. Through hard work, adherence to historical practices
and religion, as well as real-life activities, we want the republic to
find its place and prosper in the modern world.

In short, I have experience in assisting magistrates of all stripes as
well as experience as a magistrate myself. I feel I am ready for the
next step on the Cursus Honorum and ask you, quirites, to give me the
chance to prove myself.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·QVIRITIBVS·S·P·D

Once again, I don the toga candida to adress you, citizens. I am
presenting my candidacy for the tribunate in MMDCCLVIIII A.V.C (2006
CE).

For those who do not know me, my name is Gnaeus Salvius Astur. I have
been a citizen of Nova Roma since the Idus Aprilis MMDCCLIIII A.V.C.
(April 2001). In these five years, I have served as praetor, consul,
senator, pontifex... and tribunus plebis. I have organized or helped
to organize many activities, including the Legio VIIII Hispana (the
military re-enactment group of Provincia Hispania) and several kinds
of real life meetings -- and I intend, by the way, to organize or to
take part in many, many more. I have presented laws to the Comitia
that were approved and still stand in the Tabularium. I have written
articles and discussed many subtleties. I have, in short, been here
and there, generally having a good time.

Some of you might actually be surprised to see me back in the
political arena. "Why?" you may ask. "Why does this guy want to be
tribunus plebis *again*? He has been quite busy in the last two years,
and he has not participated in the discussions of the main list as
much as he used to do. He has been active, I'll grant you that, but
mainly in non-political activities. What is he looking for now?" An
explanation is needed, and one I will try to provide.

As I said above, I was tribunus plebis once, a long, long time ago
(that was in MMDDCLV A.V.C. or, like the peregrini say, in 2002). At
that time, very exciting and interesting things were happening with
the tribunate. Nova Roma was right in the middle of a political
revolution that aimed to bring back some of the democratic aspects of
the historical Roman constitution that were missing in Nova Roma. I
will always remember the first time I presented a piece of legislation
to the Comitia, because that was the first time a tribunus plebis
successfully did that in Nova Roma. I would dare to say that, in
general terms, we succeeded to make Nova Roma a more democratic Res
Publica and, at the same time, one that followed Roman tradition more
closely.

However, we were obviously not able to accomplish *all* our goals back
then. In recent times, the tribunate has been again the source of much
discussion and unrest. Different people seem to have different
opinions about what should be the role of the tribunes in Nova Roma,
and that difference of opinions is representing a hindrance to the
progress of Nova Roma.

If you decide to give me the opportunity to do it, I would like to
revisit the idea of what should be the role of the Tribuni Plebis in
our Res Publica. To begin with, we all (me included) know much more
about Ancient Rome than we did three years ago, and I think that we
are in a much better position to understand the historical role of the
Tribuni Plebis than we were back then.

I do not come with preconceived ideas. I would merely like to guide a
debate on the subject, as one of the persons that partly devised the
current situation, so that we can reach a reasonable agreement on what
the Tribuni Plebis should be. Once we have reached that agreement, I
would like to implement the necessary changes in our laws so that our
common concept of the role of the Tribuni Plebis is made clear.

I think that the time has come for us all to settle, once and for all,
what should the Tribuni Plebis of Nova Roma be *for*. In order to
complete this task, I ask you, citizens, to vote for me in the next
elections.

Thank you for your attention.

S·V·B·E·E·V

CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT

---Salve Gaia Apollonia et Salvete Omnes:

I promised you I would send you the links to the various sodalitates
of Nova Roma, discussion lists, interest groups which may not
necessarily be 'official sodalitates' but are nonetheless worth
taking in.

Perhaps this list might be a helpful orientation to other new (and
returning citizens) as well.

Many of these groups, again, have links and files sections
containing helpful information and reference material.

I can't say this is completely comprehensive, and if I've left out a
group, I apologize in advance. But I think these capture your
interests as you list them below, Apollonia.

I only wish I had a record of the Cooks and Brewers Sodalitas, and I
can't find it when I search because I likely have it
misspelled....anyone know?

***************


Here Goes

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReligioRomana

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Latinitas

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMilitarium

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FortheMuses
(This is Sodalitas Musarum...literature, arts, poetry,
astronomy...the things of Apollo and the Muses

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewRoman...a general discussion of
elements of Romanitas.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Egressus
(promotion of Nova Roma to other classical and/or Roman-related
societies etc)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaLaws

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaBookClub

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ConventusMatronarum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Taverna

...a friendly informal meeting place....but there's a duck in
there...lives behind the bar....oh never mind, its a long story :)

Valete,
Po




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaia Apollonia Silana <samantha@e...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> As a new not-quite-Citizen, I am anxious and excited about

learning as

> much as possible about Roma and being a truly full and

participating

> Citizen.
>
> So, in that spirit, I am asking for help. Can anyone recommend

books

> and such about the following that would assist this process:
>
> History...Latin (it has been over 40 years since high school

Latin and

> I have forgotten much)...Religion and Augury...Arts, Crafts and
> Music...Science and Healing...Social structure and family
> life...Governance, especially during the early Republic, but

continuing

> through the time of the Emperor Julian and his attempts to re-

instate

> traditional Roman Pagan religion.
>
> I am, in my daily life, a musician, poet, artist and Tarot
> reader/medium, with a passion for history and the sciences, and

would

> love to be able to channel my talents and interests in the service

of

> Nova Roma. So...please help me with titles so that I can comb the

used

> bookstores and libraries in my area.
>
> With many thanks,
> Gaia Apollonia Silana
>

---
Salve Sexte Octavi!

Welcome to Nova Roma, but listen, hey...I've lent out my ears
before, once and I'll tell ya I had one heck of a time getting them
back....I had to get the Praetores, the Tribunes....ahh man :)

So, I hope you understand my hesitation in doing that again...fool
me once shame on you, but fool me twice, shame on me! :)

I'll just read your emails for now, ok?

Seriously, :) welcome

Pompeia

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jorjor1177" <heavyj501@a...> wrote:

>
> Salve! I am Sextus Octavius Lepidus
>
> I am new to Nova Roma and i just wanted to take this chance to
> introduce myself.
>
> My name is Jordan, and i am only 18 years old,(yes a young one).

But

> believe me my young age does not do me honor. I have always been
> interested in Roman History being half roman myself. I have been
> studying it for many years and its one of my passions.
>
> I think that this is an amazing thing going on here, and i am glad

to

> be apart of it. Ya never know i could be the First Emperor of Nova
> Roma! :)
>
> Don't Be shy, say hello sometime, i am eager to learn
>
> With Love,
>
> Sextus Octavius Lepidus
>

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem X Kalendas Decembris; haec dies comitialis est.

"He had on his side the support of the august and venerable senate,
the sympathy of the people, the protection of the tribunes, and the
remembrance of the absent army. On the other side were pleaded the
unquestioned sovereign power of the Roman people and all the
traditions of military discipline, the Dictator's edict which had ever
been regarded as possessing divine sanction, and the example of
Manlius who had sacrificed his affection for his son to the interests
of the State. Brutus too, urged the Dictator, the founder of Roman
freedom, had done this before in the case of his two children. Now
fathers were indulgent, and aged men, easy-going in matters that do
not touch themselves, were spoiling the young men, teaching them to
despise authority and treating military discipline as of little
importance. He declared his intention of adhering to his purpose, he
would not abate a single jot of the punishment due to the man who had
fought in defiance of his injunctions' while the auspices were
doubtful and the religious sanction withheld. Whether the supreme
authority of the Dictator was to remain unimpaired did not depend on
him; he, L. Papirius, would do nothing to weaken its power. He
sincerely hoped that the tribunes would not use their authority,
itself inviolable, to violate by their interference the sovereignty of
the Roman government, and that the people to whom the appeal had been
made would not extinguish in his case especially Dictator and
Dictatorship alike. "If it did, it will not be L. Papirius but the
tribunes, the corrupt judgment of the people that posterity will
accuse and accuse in vain. When the bond of military discipline has
once been broken no soldier will obey his centurion, no centurion his
military tribune, no military tribune his general, no Master of the
Horse the Dictator. No one will have any reverence or respect for
either men or gods, no observance will be shown to the orders of
commanders or the auspices under which they acted. Without obtaining
leave of absence soldiers will roam at will through friendly or
hostile country; in total disregard of their military oath they will
abandon their standards when and where they chose, they will refuse to
assemble when ordered, they will fight regardless of day or night,
whether the ground were favourable or unfavourable, whether their
commander has given orders or not, keeping no formation, no order.
Military service, instead of being the solemn and sacred thing it is,
will resemble wild and disorderly brigandage. Expose yourselves,
tribunes, to all future ages as the authors of these evils! Make
yourselves personally responsible for the criminal recklessness of Q.
Fabius!" - Livy, History of Rome 8.34


"The great god Triton appeared before them, taking the form of a young
man. He picked up a clod of earth and held it out to them by way of
welcome, saying: `Accept this gift, my friends. Here and now, I have
no better one with which to welcome strangers such as you. But if you
have lost your bearings, like many a traveller in foreign parts, and
wish to cross the Libyan Sea, I will be your guide. My father Poseidon
has taught me all its secrets, and I am the king of this seaboard. You
may have heard of me though you live so far away - Eurypylos, born in
Libya, the country of wild beasts.' Euphemos gladly held his hand out
for the clod." - Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 4.1548

"When leaping from the prow where Lake Tritonis pours to the sea,
Euphemos took the gift, token of a host's friendship, from a god
[Triton] in mortal guise ho gave a clod of earth; and from aloft, to
mark the sign, a peal of thunder sounded from Zeus the father, son of
Kronos..." - Pindar, Odes Pythian 4.1

In ancient Greece, today was held in honor of the nymph Kalliste. Her
father the god Triton gave her to the Argonaut Euphemos as a clod of
earth, which during the sea voyage was washed overboard and formed the
island of Kalliste. It is told that when the Argonauts came to Libya
they were driven into the Syrtis, quicksands in Libya, carrying their
ship overland to Lake Tritonis. There was no return for ships, once
they had come far within Syrtis. Since there is no outlet from Lake
Tritonis to the sea, they could do nothing. Then the Argonauts
propitiated the gods with a golden tripod on the shore, and Triton
appeared to them in the form of a youth. Triton showed them the way
out, and presented the Argonaut Euphemus with a clod of earth. Later
Euphemus had a dream. It seemed to him that the clod of earth was
being suckled by milk, and that from it a little woman grew. And this
woman Euphemus desired and embraced in love, although he pitied her as
though she were a maiden whom he fed with his own milk. But then she
comforted him, saying that she was daughter of Triton and Libya, and
exhorting him to restore her to the sea near Anaphe. She then became
the island, which is now called Thera.


Today the Sun enters the zodiacal sign of Sagittarius. Sagittarius
(the archer) is commonly depicted as a centaur drawing a bow.
Sagittarius lies between Scorpius to the west and Capricornus to the
east. Its brighter stars form an easily recognizable teapot shape. In
Greek mythology, Sagittarius was the centaur Chiron, aiming his bow at
the Scorpion.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy, Kalliste (http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Cyrene.html) and
(http://messagenet.com/myths/ppt/Calliste_1.html)

Salve, Spuri!

So Venedia was never conquered by the Romans - never mind. The Nova Romans
won't conquer your territory: it's your heart we want to conquer :-) (I just
realised I used a chiasmus in that sentence!)

Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus



_____

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of spuriusdo
Sent: 22 November 2005 10:30
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The second life of a venedian old NewRoman



Salvete Romani!

I used to be a citizen of Nova Roma and a member of this wonderful
society some time ago, so it is my second birth in this world.

I live in a Venedia province, in Western Poland, and I've been a
member of local and national ancient history groups and societies
since highschool. Currently I am 27 years old.

Venedia was never conquered by Roman Empire. But what has not been
done by Romans, should be done by NewRomans!

Valete









SPONSORED LINKS


Ancient
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Ancient+history&w1=Ancient+history&w2=F
all+of+the+roman+empire&w3=The+fall+of+the+roman+empire&w4=Roman+empire&c=4&
s=103&.sig=fjrrfWGmNj-9VzE29-5RqQ> history

Fall
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fall+of+the+roman+empire&w1=Ancient+his
tory&w2=Fall+of+the+roman+empire&w3=The+fall+of+the+roman+empire&w4=Roman+em
pire&c=4&s=103&.sig=o-616ER_E9HbAgY7S7bgGA> of the roman empire

The
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=The+fall+of+the+roman+empire&w1=Ancient
+history&w2=Fall+of+the+roman+empire&w3=The+fall+of+the+roman+empire&w4=Roma
n+empire&c=4&s=103&.sig=3ssQInnLWGqC1FVNATfGNQ> fall of the roman empire


Roman
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Roman+empire&w1=Ancient+history&w2=Fall
+of+the+roman+empire&w3=The+fall+of+the+roman+empire&w4=Roman+empire&c=4&s=1
03&.sig=JnsqrFDC8rUYfVpJVe3Qiw> empire







_____

YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



* Visit your group "Nova-Roma
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma> " on the web.

* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>

* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.



_____



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Titus Iulius Sabinus and I, together, would like to announce our
candidacies for the two Curule Aedileships. We invite you to look at
a web page we have put together to explain our reasons for joining
forces in this campaign:

http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/aediles.htm

I am proud to join Iulius Sabinus on a quest for the aedileship. He
is a man of great honor and personal integrity, and it was delightful
to meet him in Rome this summer.

I have worked this year towards three goals: getting a new coin
minted, getting the daily calendar posted, and learning more about our
community and how it can grow.

The new coin is on the way! A draft proposal is being prepared for
the Senate, and I am steadfast in my belief that we will see new
sestertii very soon into the New Year.

The calendar has been one of the most interesting and educational
things I have ever done. I have learned more about Rome and her
history, her festivals, her daily life, than I ever imagined --- and I
hope that some of that enjoyment has come through in my (almost) daily
posts.

I am a boisterous speaker: I am very much involved in our community,
and have a great deal of pride in our Republic. I see vast resources
in our citizens that have been untapped, and I hope to help open the
floodgates and enable citizens to become more vitally a part of the
whole process by which we shape our future together.

The political and legal foundations of our Republic are my addiction:
I am fascinated by the process of developing law and government in a
way that reflects not only our heritage from the ancients but creates
a framework around which we can build an even more glorious new
Republic.

Iulius Sabinus is the Propraetor of Dacia; he has worked as a scriba
to the Magister Aranearius and as a scriba to one of the current
Curule Aediles, L. Iulius Sulla. He has devoted time and energy to
the Magna Mater Project. He is a man of great wisdom, talent, and
energy, and it is an honor for me to offer ourselves to the service of
the Republic together.

Valete bene,

Gaius Equitius Cato & Titus Iulius Sabinus

SALVETE!

Welcome back to the group, Gaia!
it will be a pleasure and an honour to walk together on the Roman path.
May the Gods look favorably upon all the NovaRoman citizens.

optime vale,

Iulia Caesaris Cytheris Aege

ladycarissastormbringer <cant97@...> wrote:
Salve, Everyone!

I started with Nova Roma a long time ago, but let my membership lapse
until it was removed. It's wonderful to be back now, and I would like
to reintroduce myself to you all.

As I am again a newbie here, part of my name is dependent upon my
being accepted into the gens I desire, so for the moment please just
call me Gaia. I am 35 years old, married with one teenage son, and I
work as a programmer analyst. I am very much into the Religio and
magic, but there is much I have to learn about it. My patrons are
Hecate, Pluto and Apollo.

I am also into the Latin language and have now brought my Wheelock
book out of storage! Carpe diem! ;)

I'm a jolly gal. I love to laugh and have a warm, friendly, mothering
nature. I'm also very opinionated, however, and have no tolerance for
lying, dishonesty and disrespect of women. I love science, art,
history, culture, but most of all Astronomy and Astrology. I'm very
politically savvy, and generally take a centrist Democrat stand on
things.

This is me, folks! I hope to learn a lot and share my journey into
Roman living with you all.

Vale,

Gaia







---------------------------------
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS


Visit your group "Nova-Roma" on the web.

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


---------------------------------






Qui dedit beneficium taceat; narrat qui accepit. (L. Annaeus Seneca)


Iulia Iulia Caesaris Cytheris Aege
Provincial Sacerdos
Legatus Internis Rebus Provincia Dacia.




---------------------------------
Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]