Salvete omnes,

The results of the census and apparent shortage of electoral
candidates to this point today merits some thoughts and reflections.
I just dug this article up:

Top-Ten Reasons Why People Quit Their Jobs
by Gregory P. Smith

There are many reasons why good employees quit; most are
preventable. From my years of experience as a consultant, I've
identified a "Top Ten" list of reasons why people leave jobs:

1. Management demands that one person do the jobs of two or more
people, resulting in longer days and weekend work.

2. Management cuts back on administrative help, forcing professional
workers to use their time copying, stapling, collating, filing and
other clerical duties.

3. Management puts a freeze on raises and promotions, when an
employee can easily find a job earning 20-30 percent more somewhere
else.

4. Management doesn't allow the rank and file to make decisions or
allow them pride of ownership. A visitor to my website E-mailed me a
message that said, "Forget about the "professional" decisions-how
about when you can't even select the company's holiday card without
the President rejecting it for one of his own taste?"

5. Management constantly reorganizes, shuffles people around, and
changes direction constantly.

6. Management doesn't have or take the time to clarify goals and
decisions. Therefore, it rejects work after it was completed,
damaging the morale and esteem of those who prepared it.

7. Management shows favoritism and gives some workers better
offices, trips to conferences, etc.

8. Management relocates the offices to another location, forcing
employees to quit or double their commute.

9. Management promotes someone who lacks training and/or necessary
experience to supervisor, alienating staff and driving away good
employees.

10. Management creates a rigid structure and then allows departments
to compete against each other while at the same time preaching
teamwork and cooperation.

Interesting, isn't it, that all ten factors begin with the
phrase "ManagementÂ…."

Interesting, too, is just how many of these high-turnover factors
are preventable. My retention survey confirmed the truth of the
saying, "Employees don't quit their companies, they quit their
bosses." Thirty-five percent of the respondents answered yes to the
question, Was the attitude of your direct supervisor/manager the
primary factor in your quitting a previous job?


Well this has to do with commercial business overall but from what I
have observed and heard over the last few years, # 2,4, 9 and
especially 6 apply.

Also, to become Roman in belief, attitude, linguistics and
philosophy requires one to gradually build a knowledge base which
takes time, commitment and effort and after joining NR and getting
going many come to the realization that they cannot commit spend or
afford the time, effort and work required. Reality sets in.
Anyway we all make that mistake. When I was a kid I dreamed of being
a great scientist or astronaut exploring our solar system but the
reality of having to be an over achiever academically, developing
terrific leadership skills, sitting through years of head splitting
math and engineering courses, boring labs and nixed weekends instead
of flying these dream machines ultimately quashed my interest there
as well.

Anyway I think there is a motto with you military gentlemen that
only a lousy, poor officer blames his men.I would therefore ask if
there is anything we should be doing in being a lot more selective
in the people chosen for citizenship in NR, how we can motivate
people better to keep their interests up and perhaps initiate more
manditory face to face meetings and get-togethers. Even talking to
fellow citizens by phone really makes a difference in your attitudes
and impressions.

What I have said are just some ideas and thoughts not written in
stone. Hopefully we can start thinking about ways to re-group and
build up NR even if it takes more quality rather than quantity.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

Salvete omnes.

I would like to extend my support to Tiberius Galerius Paulinus in his
bid to become Praetor.

Galerius Paulinus has the determination and common sense to make him
an excellent choice for Praetor. Personally I see this role in NR as
requiring a heavy dose of common sense in equal measure to knowledge
of our laws. The latter can be learned by rote, while the former is an
inherent trait and the striking fact about common sense is that it
isn't all that common, so when a candidate comes forth that exhibits
common sense in such large measure we would be rash to pass him over.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus certainly has my vote.

Valete
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Kalendis Decembribus; haec dies fastus est.

"Night surprised them while they were lamenting over their situation
rather than consulting how to meet it. The different temperaments of
the men came out; some exclaimed: "Let us break through the
barricades, scale the mountain slopes, force our way through the
forest, try every way where we can carry arms. Only let us get at the
enemy whom we have beaten for now nearly thirty years; all places will
be smooth and easy to a Roman fighting against the perfidious
Samnite." Others answered: "Where are we to go? How are we to get
there? Are we preparing to move the mountains from their seat? How
will you get at the enemy as long as these peaks hang over us? Armed
and unarmed, brave and cowardly we are all alike trapped and
conquered. The enemy will not even offer us the chance of an
honourable death by the sword, he will finish the war without moving
from his seat." Indifferent to food, unable to sleep, they talked in
this way through the night. Even the Samnites were unable to make up
their minds what to do under such fortunate circumstances. It was
unanimously agreed to write to Herennius, the captain-general's
father, and ask his advice. He was now advanced in years and had given
up all public business, civil as well as military, but though his
physical powers were failing his intellect was as sound and clear as
ever. He had already heard that the Roman armies were hemmed in
between the two passes at the Caudine Forks, and when his son's
courier asked for his advice he gave it as his opinion that the whole
force ought to be at once allowed to depart uninjured. This advice was
rejected and the courier was sent back to consult him again. He now
advised that they should every one be put to death. On receiving these
replies, contradicting each other like the ambiguous utterances of an
oracle, his son's first impression was that his father's mental powers
had become impaired through his physical weakness. However, he yielded
to the unanimous wish and invited his father to the council of war.
The old man, we are told, at once complied and was conveyed in a wagon
to the camp. After taking his seat in the council, it became clear
from what he said that he had not changed his mind, but he explained
his reasons for the advice he gave. He believed that by taking the
course he first proposed, which he considered the best, he was
establishing a durable peace and friendship with a most powerful
people in treating them with such exceptional kindness; by adopting
the second he was postponing war for many generations, for it would
take that time for Rome to recover her strength painfully and slowly
after the loss of two armies. There was no third course. When his son
and the other chiefs went on to ask him what would happen if a middle
course were taken, and they were dismissed unhurt but under such
conditions as by the rights of war are imposed on the vanquished, he
replied: 'That is just the policy which neither procures friends nor
rids us of enemies. Once let men whom you have exasperated by
ignominious treatment live and you will find out your mistake. The
Romans are a nation who know not how to remain quiet under defeat.
Whatever disgrace this present extremity burns into their souls will
rankle there for ever, and will allow them no rest till they have made
you pay for it many times over.'" - Livy, History of Rome 9.3


"I begin to sing about Poseidon, the great god, mover of the earth and
fruitless sea, god of the deep who is also lord of Helicon and wide
Aegae. A two-fold office the gods allotted you, O Shaker of the Earth,
to be a tamer of horses and a saviour of ships!" - Homeric Hymn to
Poseidon II.1-5

"Neptuno has ago gratias meo patrono, qui salsis locis incolit
piscolentis, quom me ex suis locis pulchre ornatum expedivit, reducem
et tempulis, plurima praeda onustum salute horiae." (Thanks be to
Neptune my patron, who dwells in the fish-teeming salt sea, for
speeding me homeward from his sacred abode, well laden and in a good
hour) - Plautus, Rodens 906-910

Today is held in honor of the god Neptune, known to the Greeks as
Poseidon. Neptune is the second-born son of Cronus, ruler of the race
of gods known as The Titans, and his wife, the Titan-goddess of
fertility, Rhea. Fearing that he would be dethroned by one of his
offspring just as he had overthrown his own father Ouranos, Cronus
imprisoned each of his own offspring in Tartarus, the darkest section
of Hades, the Olympian underworld, as soon as he or she was born.
Appalled, the children's mother Rhea gave birth to Zeus without
Cronus's knowledge and gave him to the primeval Earth goddess Gaea to
be raised in secret. The adult Zeus freed his siblings and led them in
a successful revolt against Cronus and the Titans.

While it is believed that Neptune was among the offspring of Cronus
and Rhea imprisoned in Tartarus until later adulthood, Neptune, like
Zeus, had actually escaped this fate when his mother Rhea gave birth
to him in Mantineia, Arcadia (in the land known now as Greece). Rhea
hid Neptune who was then raised by other gods on the island of Rhodes
who taught him how to wield his mystical powers just as the Cyclopes
taught Zeus how to wield his own. Approached by the adult Zeus,
Neptune helped him free their other siblings and gather allies against
Cronus and the other Titans. The war against the Titans lasted for a
full decade ending with Zeus and his faction emerging victorious.

After Zeus became ruler of the pocket dimension of Olympus and of the
race of Olympian gods, he forged covenants with his elder brothers
Neptune and Pluto. Pluto, while still subject to Zeus's edicts, was
allowed to become the king of the Olympian underworld without any
interference from Zeus concerning the internal affairs of his kingdom.
Likewise, Neptune was allowed free reign over the vast oceans and the
various water-gods occupying the then ancient Grecian sphere of
influence. As a symbol of his station as the prime sea-god Neptune
carries an enchanted trident of various properties.

Neptune took as his wife the goddess Amphitrite, a daughter of the
elder water deities Nereus and Doris. He and Amphitrite had two
daughters Rhode and Benthiscya and a son Triton whose godly power
enabled him to assume the form of a merman. However, Neptune was
similar to his younger brother Zeus in that he had several affairs
with both mortal Earth women and Olympian goddesses and thus fathered
numerous offspring. Like Zeus, his children were sometimes born as
mortals or immortals. By his union with the Gorgon Medusa he fathered
the warrior Chrysaor and the magical flying horse, Pegasus. Akin to
Zeus who transformed himself into Amphitryon of Troezen to mate with
his wife Alcmena who became the mother of the demigod Hercules,
Neptune once disguised himself as the husband of the mortal woman
Aethra and fathered the Athenian hero Theseus. Other various offspring
of Neptune's include: Eumolpus, the Giant Sinis, the Cyclopes
Polyphemus, Orion, King Amycus, the shape-shifting god Proteus,
Agenor, Belus, Pelias, and Busiris who once became the King of Egypt.
Poseidon also had two twin giant sons, Otus and Ephialtes, who once
attempted to storm Olympus and overthrow Zeus and the Olympians before
meeting their deaths at each other's own hands in a hunting accident.

One of the most infamous affairs of Neptune involves his sister,
Demeter, Olympian goddess of the harvest. Neptune pursued Demeter who,
although first resisted his advances, eventually submitted to him. The
pair united, Demeter in the form of a mare and Neptune in the form of
a horse, and became the parents of Arion, the god of horses and
Despoena, the goddess of fruit.

Neptune was known to quarrel with his fellow Olympians to act as the
patron of particular Greek cities. For example, the sea-god was once
involved in a competition between himself and his niece, the goddess
of war Athena, for the city of Athens. To convince the people to name
the city after him and make him their patron god, Neptune used his
magical trident to produce a flowing spring. However, Athena won as a
result of giving the Athenians the far more useful olive tree (the
flowing spring was salt water). Neptune could also be a very moody
sea-god and at times used his powers to create earthquakes, floods and
storms to inflict fear and/or punishment on people as revenge. Though
difficult at times, Neptune could be cooperative as it was he who
aided the Greeks during the Trojan War before Zeus forbade the
Olympians from participating in it. After the Trojan War ended,
Neptune became angered against the hero Odysseus also known as
Ulysses, when he blinded the sea-god's son, the Cyclopes Polyphemus.
In his rage against this act Neptune saw to it that Odysseus's journey
back to Ithaca was full of trials and difficulties. Indeed it took
Odysseus 10 years to reach Ithaca after he and his men had departed
from Troy.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy, Neptune (http://www.mythweb.com/gods/Poseidon.html) and
(http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/neptunep.htm) and
(http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/)

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Consuli F. Apulo Caesar
omnibusque SPD.

I'd like to thank our hard-working consul for setting
up the list of candidates on the main website. It is user-
friendly and very clearly laid out. As a new citizen, this
will be my first chance to vote in the annual elections, so I
have been carefully watching both the ML and the official list
of candidates. It is a privilege to vote, and I take that
privilege seriously.

However, the deadline is fast approaching, and I think perhaps
some of the candidates have missed a few administrative messages
pertaining to the election. Among them are some candidates who
would get my vote, but are not yet listed officially.

It was stated on the NR ANNOUNCE Board by Consul F. Apulus
Caesar for all candidates, and stated on the Main List as an
absolute requirement by Tr. Pl. P. Memmius Albucius regarding
the plebian offices, that candidates also register their
intentions at e-mail addresses OTHER THAN the main list.
(See messages quoted at end of this post.)

It's the same in real-world politics: you may tell the press,
and get your picture in the newspaper, but until you file your
nomination papers with the appropriate government office,
you are not actually a candidate. And if you miss the deadline,
you can't be a candidate.

So in making life a bit easier for Consul F. Apulus Caesar and
Tr. Pl. P. Memmius Albucius by e-mailing *them*, you ensure that
you are on the official list, and we all have a chance to vote
for you. :-) I intend no offense to anyone in making this
summary. I do hope this summary helps to ensure that everyone
who has dedicated their energy to running, has completed the
steps needed for a positive result.

Here's what I have combed from the Main List, and compared
with the LIST OF CANDIDATES (Nova Roma main website) as of
late evening 30 November 2005.


THE 7 CANDIDATES IN SQUARE BRACKETS [...] HAVE DECLARED ON
THIS MAILING LIST BUT ARE NOT YET ON THE OFFICIAL LIST
(At least, not that I could find.)

The numbers indicate the posting number of the mailing list
announcement by "missing" candidates. As you can tell, some
of the ML announcements date back a while. Some are also quite
recent, and your direct e-mails may not yet have been processed.
The official list at the NR Main Website asks all candidates
to verify their information (with a link to the Consul).

CENSOR (2):
Q. Fabius Maxiums
G. Minucius Hadrianus Felix

CONSUL (2):
P. Minucia Tiberia Strabo
G. G. Fabius Buteo Modianus

PRAETOR (2):
C. Curius Saturninus
T. Galerius Paulinus
T. Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus

AEDILIS CURULIS (2):
Gn. Equitius Cato
T. Iulius Sabinus

AEDILIS PLEBIS (2):
M. Hortensia Maior

TRIBUNIS PLEBIS (5):
G. Vipsanius Agrippa
[Gn. Silvius Astur, Post #39746]
[Q. Suetonius Paulinus, Post #39932]

QUAESTOR (8):
Q. Fabius Allectus
Q. Servilius Priscus
T. Marcius Felix
G. Iulius Caesar
C. Arminius Reccanellus
[T. Flavius Vespasianus Germanicus, Post # 39931]
[A. Apollonius Cordus, Post #39938]


MAGISTER ARANEARIUS (1):
D.Claudius Aquilius
Q. Valerius Callidus

EDITOR COMMENTARIUM (1):
no candidates

ROGATORES (4):
A. Tullia Scholastica
[G. Marius Aquilius, Post # 39993]
[M. Iulius Severus, Post # 40010]

DIRIBITORES (4):
[S. Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus, Post # 40004]

CUSTODES (2):
E. Curia Finnica


===========================================================

MESSAGES REGARDING WHERE TO SEND CANDIDACIES

POST # 745 ON NOVA ROMA ANNOUNCE list (NovaRoma-Announce)

"FAC" <fraelov@...>
Date: Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:09 am
Subject: CALL FOR CANDIDATES fraelov
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
Fr. Apulus Caesar Consulis Quiritibus SPD

<snip>
All candidates must let me know of their intention to stand for
office directly by sending a message to fraelov@... (fraelov AT
yahoo DOT it) in order to be placed on the ballot. Please
include the word "Candidate" in the subject of the message,
and be sure to tell me your full Roman name and the office
you are pursuing. Please, send me privatly your candidacy,
I'll check everyday the Main list but for your security send
it at my address.

The candidacies will be accepted until December 3rd 2005
(8.00 PM, Time of Rome).
<snip>


[Monday Nov. 21 - I found a Spanish-only post on the Main List--
my emphases added. Note that "deben" is rather stronger than a
request or an invitation . . . see above.]

[POST #39771 --NOVA ROMA main list]
<snip>
Todos los candidatos **deben** informarme directamente de su
intenci�n de presentarse, enviفndome un mensaje a fraelov@...
para que su nombre aparezca en la cesta electoral,**incluyendo
la palabra “Candidate” en el asunto** del mensaje y
proporcionando su nombre romano completo y el cargo al que
aspiran. Por favor, envٍenme **de manera privada** el mensaje
de su candidatura; yo revisarÙ‰ diariamente la lista principal
de correo de Nova Roma, pero **para asegurase**, es conveniente
que me escriban a la direcci�n arriba seّalada.

Las candidaturas serفn aceptadas hasta el dٍa 3 de diciembre
de 2005 a las 8:00 PM, tiempo de Roma.

<snip>



[POST #39819, NOVA ROMA Main List]
From: "FAC" <fraelov@...>
Date: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:33 am
Subject: About declarations of candidacies fraelov
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
Salvete Omnes,

as written in the official call, I would strongly invite all the
candidates to the yearly elections to send the own candidacy to
me too at fraelov@... [fraelov AT yahoo.it].
Thank you very much

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Consul


[POST # 39856 -- NOVA ROMA Main List]
"Tribune Albucius" <albucius_aoe@...>
Date: Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:35 pm
Subject: CALL FOR CANDIDACIES FOR PLEBEIAN OFFICES - ANNUAL
ELECTIONS publiusalbucius
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
P. Memmius Albucius omnibus Plebeiis s.d.

Salvete omnes,

Here comes the time of annual elections for plebeian offices.

Please read carefully the following edict, issued by the whole
Tribunate, which sets the rules of election for Tribunes and
Aediles.

The Honorable citizens who are interested will pay attention to
the posting address of their candidacy, at :
comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com, and *just this one* !

The cives who would have declared their candidacy yet, for
example in NR main list, *must* post their declaration to
the above address.

Mind, too, the required conditions to run for these hard
working offices.

<snip>

C. Equitius Cato G. Aureliae Falconi Silvanae quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Thank you for the update, Aurelia Silvana; I too was beginning to
wonder about the "missing" candidates. One tiny correction: my
praenomen is "Gaius", not "Gnaeus"; no offense to any Gnaei out there,
but I like my own name better :-)

I guess it's easy to forget since everyone knows me as just "Cato".

Vale et valete,

Cato

A. Apollonius C. Aureliae omnibusque sal.

Thanks for your vigilance and thoroughness! For my own
part, all I can say is that I did cc my announcement
to the proper address, received a private message fo
acknowledgement from the consul, and replied to that
in turn, so I clearly haven't slipped through that
particular crack - presumably there is just an
understandable delay before the website gets updated.
The same may be true of the other "missing" candidates.



___________________________________________________________
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Salvete Gaia Aurelia et A. Apploni Corde,

I sent my data in as instructed and have been confirmed by the
tribunes. Over the last three days I did the same twice for Consul
FAC but have not heard back yet. He could be tied up or the website
has delays as you say but for the record, I followed instructions.

Regards,

QSP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:

>
> A. Apollonius C. Aureliae omnibusque sal.
>
> Thanks for your vigilance and thoroughness! For my own
> part, all I can say is that I did cc my announcement
> to the proper address, received a private message fo
> acknowledgement from the consul, and replied to that
> in turn, so I clearly haven't slipped through that
> particular crack - presumably there is just an
> understandable delay before the website gets updated.
> The same may be true of the other "missing" candidates.
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> Yahoo! Model Search 2005 - Find the next catwalk superstars -

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/

>

Salve Gnae Iuli Caesar,

Thank you very much for your endorsement and confidence!


Quintus Suetonius Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
<gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> Although unable to vote for either of these two men, being

patrician,

> I would still like to offer them my support and best wishes for

the

> campaign. Both are exceptionally dedicated to making Nova Roma

succeed

> and it is marvellous to see them both standing at the same time

for

> the same office.
>
> Agrippa has obviously worked very hard on the new NR coin project

and

> has also invested a lot of time, effort and money in that, as well

as

> in setting up his store of NR goods. Paulinus has constantly

sought to

> improve his province and NR in general and has done so despite a
> horrendously busy schedule of work and volunteer commitments.
>
> I wish them the very best of good fortune in the election.
>
> Valete
> Caesar
>

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete omnes.

I am writing this as a plea to the Quirites of Nova Roma for noble
citizens to step forward and run for elected office in the upcoming
election.

We still have many critical offices that have insufficient candidates or
none at all:

We still need one Plebian Aedile.

We still need four Tribune of the Plebs.

We still need three Quaestors.

We still need an Editor Commentariorum.

We still need four Diribitores.

We still need three Rogatores.

We still need one Custodes.

There are only two more days for candidates to submit their intentions
to run for office - the deadline is December 3rd, 8 p.m. Roma time, so
time is running out.

Citizens of Nova Roma, our Res Publica cannot function without an
elected government. We have 1521 registered citizens as of today and yet
we are still in danger of not even being able to field sufficient
candidates to fill the 18 remaining magisterial openings - and that is
to merely fill the spaces and leave us with uncontested elections in
many cases. Public service is the keystone of the Roman and Nova Roman
ideal. I realize many of you out there are saying to yourself "I'm too
new" or "I don't really know enough" and are afraid you may not be up to
the task. Trust me - and I'm speaking from experience - the best way to
learn is to jump right in. It may be a bit overwhelming at first, but
you'll be amazed at how quickly you adjust. Many of these open offices
are fairly simple and do not involve a huge investment in time, and they
are an excellent way for a new citizen to get involved, learn how Nova
Roma works, and start your path on that most Roman of endeavors - civic
service. We cannot have elections without Diribitores. The Plebs of Nova
Roma will lack a voice without Tribunes. We will have no newsletter
without an Editor Commentariorum. I implore you, citizens of Nova Roma,
step up to the plate for your Res Publica. Don't sit and wait for
someone else to do it, or it may never get done.

Valete Bene,

--
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Pontifex et Minervae Aedis Sacerdos Legate Massachusetts Regio
c.minucius.hadrianus@...

"We are all, so far as we inherit the civilization of Europe,
still citizens of the Roman Empire, and time as not yet proved
Virgil wrong when he wrote /nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

-T.S. Eliot

"/His ego nec metas rerum nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

"For the achievement of these people I fix neither spatial boundaries or
temporal limits: I have given them empire without end."

-Virgil, /Aeneid/ I.278,279

Salve G. Aurelia;

I have done as you have reminded.

Thank you.

I hope to once again render good service to the Republic as a Diribitor.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor
Quaestor emeritus, Diribitor Emeritus
Provincial Legate Emeritus

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet
US Military - Veteran

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/

--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

Salvete Gai Minuci Hadriani et omnes,

You probably haven't had a chance to read the last several posts yet
but the election roll has not been updated over the last few days.
For example we have 3 tribunes and 7 Quaestors.

I'd also add my appeal for more citizens to come forward and run in
these elections since it will be far more difficult to get things
done and NR turned around as all of us wish to do.

Regards,

QSP




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
<c.minucius.hadrianus@n...> wrote:

>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> I am writing this as a plea to the Quirites of Nova Roma for noble
> citizens to step forward and run for elected office in the

upcoming

> election.
>
> We still have many critical offices that have insufficient

candidates or

> none at all:
>
> We still need one Plebian Aedile.
>
> We still need four Tribune of the Plebs.
>
> We still need three Quaestors.
>
> We still need an Editor Commentariorum.
>
> We still need four Diribitores.
>
> We still need three Rogatores.
>
> We still need one Custodes.
>
> There are only two more days for candidates to submit their

intentions

> to run for office - the deadline is December 3rd, 8 p.m. Roma

time, so

> time is running out.
>
> Citizens of Nova Roma, our Res Publica cannot function without an
> elected government. We have 1521 registered citizens as of today

and yet

> we are still in danger of not even being able to field sufficient
> candidates to fill the 18 remaining magisterial openings - and

that is

> to merely fill the spaces and leave us with uncontested elections

in

> many cases. Public service is the keystone of the Roman and Nova

Roman

> ideal. I realize many of you out there are saying to yourself "I'm

too

> new" or "I don't really know enough" and are afraid you may not be

up to

> the task. Trust me - and I'm speaking from experience - the best

way to

> learn is to jump right in. It may be a bit overwhelming at first,

but

> you'll be amazed at how quickly you adjust. Many of these open

offices

> are fairly simple and do not involve a huge investment in time,

and they

> are an excellent way for a new citizen to get involved, learn how

Nova

> Roma works, and start your path on that most Roman of endeavors -

civic

> service. We cannot have elections without Diribitores. The Plebs

of Nova

> Roma will lack a voice without Tribunes. We will have no

newsletter

> without an Editor Commentariorum. I implore you, citizens of Nova

Roma,

> step up to the plate for your Res Publica. Don't sit and wait for
> someone else to do it, or it may never get done.
>
> Valete Bene,
>
> --
> Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
> Pontifex et Minervae Aedis Sacerdos Legate Massachusetts Regio
> c.minucius.hadrianus@n...
>
> "We are all, so far as we inherit the civilization of Europe,
> still citizens of the Roman Empire, and time as not yet proved
> Virgil wrong when he wrote /nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine

dedi./"

>
> -T.S. Eliot
>
> "/His ego nec metas rerum nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine

dedi./"

>
> "For the achievement of these people I fix neither spatial

boundaries or

> temporal limits: I have given them empire without end."
>
> -Virgil, /Aeneid/ I.278,279
>

Salvete, omnes -

On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 02:14:51PM +0000, A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:
> A. Apollonius C. Aureliae omnibusque sal.
>
> Thanks for your vigilance and thoroughness! For my own
> part, all I can say is that I did cc my announcement
> to the proper address, received a private message fo
> acknowledgement from the consul, and replied to that
> in turn, so I clearly haven't slipped through that
> particular crack - presumably there is just an
> understandable delay before the website gets updated.
> The same may be true of the other "missing" candidates.

As the webmaster, and theoretically the person whose responsibility it
is to add the candidates' posts to the list, I must extend my apologies
to everyone. For whatever reason, my Yahoo mail delivery during the past
several weeks has varied from prompt to abysmally late in delivery, and
I strongly suspect that I have missed a number of postings as well.

I apprised Censor Quintillianus of this, and my resulting inability to
watch the list constantly at the beginning of this period, and the
result was that F. Apuleius Caesar volunteered to help with the task;
however, it seems that we have fallen behind even so.

I can only guarantee this: anyone *emailing their candidacy to me
directly* at ben@... will see it posted within a maximum of
24 hours, and nearly instantly if I'm at my computer when I receive it.


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Tamdiu discendum est, quamdiu vivas.
We should learn as long as we may live. (We live and learn.)
-- Seneca Philosophus, "Epistulae"

Salve amice!

*lol* You are quite correct - I was going by the list of registered
candidates on the website. My mistake! I'm happy to see that more
citizens have pledged their time to Nova Roma, though it is still vital
that we fill the remaining vacancies - especially the Diribitores and
Rogatores. Those positions might not be very glamorous, but they are
absolutely vital to the functioning of our Res Publica.

Vale bene,

Hadrianus



Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) wrote:

> Salvete Gai Minuci Hadriani et omnes,
>
> You probably haven't had a chance to read the last several posts yet
> but the election roll has not been updated over the last few days.
> For example we have 3 tribunes and 7 Quaestors.
>
> I'd also add my appeal for more citizens to come forward and run in
> these elections since it will be far more difficult to get things
> done and NR turned around as all of us wish to do.
>
> Regards,
>
> QSP
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
> <c.minucius.hadrianus@n...> wrote:
> >
> > C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.
> >
> > Salvete omnes.
> >
> > I am writing this as a plea to the Quirites of Nova Roma for noble
> > citizens to step forward and run for elected office in the
> upcoming
> > election.
> >
> > We still have many critical offices that have insufficient
> candidates or
> > none at all:
> >
> > We still need one Plebian Aedile.
> >
> > We still need four Tribune of the Plebs.
> >
> > We still need three Quaestors.
> >
> > We still need an Editor Commentariorum.
> >
> > We still need four Diribitores.
> >
> > We still need three Rogatores.
> >
> > We still need one Custodes.
> >
> > There are only two more days for candidates to submit their
> intentions
> > to run for office - the deadline is December 3rd, 8 p.m. Roma
> time, so
> > time is running out.
> >
> > Citizens of Nova Roma, our Res Publica cannot function without an
> > elected government. We have 1521 registered citizens as of today
> and yet
> > we are still in danger of not even being able to field sufficient
> > candidates to fill the 18 remaining magisterial openings - and
> that is
> > to merely fill the spaces and leave us with uncontested elections
> in
> > many cases. Public service is the keystone of the Roman and Nova
> Roman
> > ideal. I realize many of you out there are saying to yourself "I'm
> too
> > new" or "I don't really know enough" and are afraid you may not be
> up to
> > the task. Trust me - and I'm speaking from experience - the best
> way to
> > learn is to jump right in. It may be a bit overwhelming at first,
> but
> > you'll be amazed at how quickly you adjust. Many of these open
> offices
> > are fairly simple and do not involve a huge investment in time,
> and they
> > are an excellent way for a new citizen to get involved, learn how
> Nova
> > Roma works, and start your path on that most Roman of endeavors -
> civic
> > service. We cannot have elections without Diribitores. The Plebs
> of Nova
> > Roma will lack a voice without Tribunes. We will have no
> newsletter
> > without an Editor Commentariorum. I implore you, citizens of Nova
> Roma,
> > step up to the plate for your Res Publica. Don't sit and wait for
> > someone else to do it, or it may never get done.
> >
> > Valete Bene,
> >
> > --
> > Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
> > Pontifex et Minervae Aedis Sacerdos Legate Massachusetts Regio
> > c.minucius.hadrianus@n...
> >
> > "We are all, so far as we inherit the civilization of Europe,
> > still citizens of the Roman Empire, and time as not yet proved
> > Virgil wrong when he wrote /nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine
> dedi./"
> >
> > -T.S. Eliot
> >
> > "/His ego nec metas rerum nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine
> dedi./"
> >
> > "For the achievement of these people I fix neither spatial
> boundaries or
> > temporal limits: I have given them empire without end."
> >
> > -Virgil, /Aeneid/ I.278,279
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Pontifex et Minervae Aedis Sacerdos Legate Massachusetts Regio
c.minucius.hadrianus@...

"We are all, so far as we inherit the civilization of Europe,
still citizens of the Roman Empire, and time as not yet proved
Virgil wrong when he wrote /nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

-T.S. Eliot

"/His ego nec metas rerum nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

"For the achievement of these people I fix neither spatial boundaries or
temporal limits: I have given them empire without end."

-Virgil, /Aeneid/ I.278,279

A. Apollonius C. Minucio omnibusque sal.

I quite agree with your general appeal. In one
respect, though, we're better off that you fear:

> We still need three Rogatores.

Since there are only two vacancies for rogator in
total, I suspect we really only need one more candidate.



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Salvete quirites, et salve Quinte Suetoni,

"Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> writes:

[about why people quit their jobs]

> Interesting, too, is just how many of these high-turnover factors
> are preventable. My retention survey confirmed the truth of the
> saying, "Employees don't quit their companies, they quit their
> bosses."

In a Nova-Roman context, I'm guessing you think that people depart Nova Roma
because of the Nova Roman government. Is that correct? If so, I'll agree
with you in part. I've communicated directly with a fair number of departing
citizens, and I can confirm that in many cases it comes down to disaffection
with one or a few magistrates or senators.

[...]

> Also, to become Roman in belief, attitude, linguistics and
> philosophy requires one to gradually build a knowledge base which
> takes time, commitment and effort and after joining NR and getting
> going many come to the realization that they cannot commit spend or
> afford the time, effort and work required. Reality sets in.

Yes, this is a daunting task. Surprisingly though, I've never had anybody
list it as a reason for resigning.

> Anyway I think there is a motto with you military gentlemen that
> only a lousy, poor officer blames his men.I would therefore ask if
> there is anything we should be doing in being a lot more selective
> in the people chosen for citizenship in NR,

If I were creating Nova Roma anew, I'd give serious consideration to making
the citizenship something that was given only after a year-long novitiate.
But I'm not creating Nova Roma anew. I have to work within the pre-existing
framework. Within that framework I've been able to implement a process that
has required new citizens to complete a 90 day probationary period and pass a
fairly simple test. This has been in effect for almost a year now, and I
think it is bearing fruit. Our newer citizens are more involved and more
educated about matters.

Within the framework set out by the founders and those who came before us, I
think we currently have a pretty good process. The census measured Nova Roma
in a time of flux, when a lot of the earliest citizens had decided that they
were no longer interested in participating. In some cases this was because
of people in authority, in other cases because the organization has moved in
directions that the citizen didn't like. By far the most common case is of
somebody who just cut off contact and had to be dropped. We have no way of
knowing why these 'ghosts' left us, or if there's any way that we could have
kept them.

I do know from direct observation as censor that many, many applicants this
year have NOT completed their probationary period successfully. Our
relatively simple test has served to turn away hundreds who decided that we
required more intellectual rigor than they were willing to expend. The good
thing is that some future censors will not have to strike these names from
the rolls.

You're correct that face-to-face meetings contribute much to the quality of a
Nova Roman community. I hope we can have more of them as time goes by.

Vale, et valete quirites,

-- Marinus

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

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Salve Censor Marine,

Your response to my post is greatly appreciated as you have a first
hand pratical knowledge rather than speculative of what goes on
internally with the population in NR.

Thank you for your comments!

Regards,

QSP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "CN•EQVIT•MARINVS \(Gnaeus
Equitius Marinus\)" <gawne@c...> wrote:

>
> Salvete quirites, et salve Quinte Suetoni,
>
> "Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@d...> writes:
>
> [about why people quit their jobs]
>
> > Interesting, too, is just how many of these high-turnover factors
> > are preventable. My retention survey confirmed the truth of the
> > saying, "Employees don't quit their companies, they quit their
> > bosses."
>
> In a Nova-Roman context, I'm guessing you think that people depart

Nova Roma

> because of the Nova Roman government. Is that correct? If so,

I'll agree

> with you in part. I've communicated directly with a fair number

of departing

> citizens, and I can confirm that in many cases it comes down to

disaffection

> with one or a few magistrates or senators.
>
> [...]
>
> > Also, to become Roman in belief, attitude, linguistics and
> > philosophy requires one to gradually build a knowledge base which
> > takes time, commitment and effort and after joining NR and

getting

> > going many come to the realization that they cannot commit spend

or

> > afford the time, effort and work required. Reality sets in.
>
> Yes, this is a daunting task. Surprisingly though, I've never had

anybody

> list it as a reason for resigning.
>
> > Anyway I think there is a motto with you military gentlemen that
> > only a lousy, poor officer blames his men.I would therefore ask

if

> > there is anything we should be doing in being a lot more

selective

> > in the people chosen for citizenship in NR,
>
> If I were creating Nova Roma anew, I'd give serious consideration

to making

> the citizenship something that was given only after a year-long

novitiate.

> But I'm not creating Nova Roma anew. I have to work within the

pre-existing

> framework. Within that framework I've been able to implement a

process that

> has required new citizens to complete a 90 day probationary period

and pass a

> fairly simple test. This has been in effect for almost a year

now, and I

> think it is bearing fruit. Our newer citizens are more involved

and more

> educated about matters.
>
> Within the framework set out by the founders and those who came

before us, I

> think we currently have a pretty good process. The census

measured Nova Roma

> in a time of flux, when a lot of the earliest citizens had decided

that they

> were no longer interested in participating. In some cases this

was because

> of people in authority, in other cases because the organization

has moved in

> directions that the citizen didn't like. By far the most common

case is of

> somebody who just cut off contact and had to be dropped. We have

no way of

> knowing why these 'ghosts' left us, or if there's any way that we

could have

> kept them.
>
> I do know from direct observation as censor that many, many

applicants this

> year have NOT completed their probationary period successfully.

Our

> relatively simple test has served to turn away hundreds who

decided that we

> required more intellectual rigor than they were willing to

expend. The good

> thing is that some future censors will not have to strike these

names from

> the rolls.
>
> You're correct that face-to-face meetings contribute much to the

quality of a

> Nova Roman community. I hope we can have more of them as time

goes by.

>
> Vale, et valete quirites,
>
> -- Marinus
>
> CN•EQVIT•MARINVS
>

SALVETE QUIRITES ET SALVE EQUITE MARINE !

You and Quintus Suetonius wrote :

QSP :<<< Also, to become Roman in belief, attitude, linguistics and
philosophy requires one to gradually build a knowledge base which
takes time, commitment and effort and after joining NR and getting
going many come to the realization that they cannot commit spend or
afford the time, effort and work required. Reality sets in.>>>

GEM :<<< Yes, this is a daunting task. Surprisingly though, I've
never had anybody list it as a reason for resigning.>>>

Yes anybody list, but this is the true. Peoples don't recognize and
they didn't understand that Nova Roma is in fact an educational and
esspecially a self-education organization. The results are coming
only with efforts.

QSP : <<< Anyway I think there is a motto with you military
gentlemen that only a lousy, poor officer blames his men.I would
therefore ask if there is anything we should be doing in being a lot
more selective in the people chosen for citizenship in NR>>>

GEM : <<< If I were creating Nova Roma anew, I'd give serious
consideration to making the citizenship something that was given
only after a year-long novitiate. But I'm not creating Nova Roma
anew. I have to work within the pre-existing framework. Within
that framework I've been able to implement a process that has
required new citizens to complete a 90 day probationary period and
pass a fairly simple test. This has been in effect for almost a
year now, and I think it is bearing fruit. Our newer citizens are
more involved and more educated about matters.

I'm not against the probationay period or against the test. But is
not enaugh. Because ( I love statistics ) in every week four - five
citizens joining to the Forum. Or they don't understand what is
happen here, or they are dissapointed about what is happen, so that,
after a time they left the group. I'm not talking about those who
request the citizenship.

GEM : <<< You're correct that face-to-face meetings contribute much
to the quality of a Nova Roman community. I hope we can have more
of them as time goes by.

I hope, too. I saw yours photos from this year meetings in US. Very
nice.

VALE, ET VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Salvete Quirites!

New citizens are a wonderful thing, no matter what sparked their
interest initially. Look at the HBO "Rome" series. I'm sure its
success has produced some kind of upsurge in many thing Roman,
despite historic accuracy or inaccuracy. The movie "Gladiator" did
something similar.

With a return to "The Sopranos," people will be exposed to reruns of
the series, and thus this particular source demographic might lessen
until the second season airs, circa early 2007.

So, what do we do with a bunch of inquisitive people, who wish to
learn about Rome, and subsequently Nova Roma? It's akin to someone
obtaining a driver's license, what with a large number of potential
pamphlets and all, to read and memorize in expectation of taking a
test to ensure that he or she will be a safe and conscientious
operator.

Driving is a privilege, not a right. Given that many potential
citizens might venture here initially to learn a little more about
what they've seen on TV or in the movies, and expect things to
be "like that show on HBO or PBS," how can we walk with them through
the process, without dumping them into a plethora of mailing lists,
usually fraught with internal politics?

I propose the formation of a committee to oversee the New Citizen
Process, to investigate and review the current process, and find
ways not only to make the experience more enjoyable for the new
citizen, but also a way to reach out to more potential citizens.

Inspired by Praefect Equestria Iunia Laeca's efforts with a "Place
To Go" for members of my own province of Nova Britannia, I would
propose the formation of a group of volunteers, whose function would
be to "Welcome" new citizens, and play a dual role as both "Mentor"
and "Paedagogus" to assist these new citizens during their
probationary period. These people would work one-on-one with the new
citizens; a few Novi assigned to each volunteer. They would
personally help them navigate, mentor them, teach them, and
demonstrate to them that they ARE an already active and important
part of Nova Roma.

Additionally, each new citizen thus helped would then be able to
function as a helper, thereby allowing the new citizen to become
involved immediately. After all, "Discimus ut discimur." (pardon my
spelling and grammar errors) I learn the most when I teach, since
my students as me questions that challenge myself. I should think
the same would be true for new citizens.

As members now responsible for the education of others, I believe
that new citizens themselves would contribute the most to citizen
retention.

As my toga begins to slide off my shoulder, I'll end this thought,
but I welcome any and all questions and discussions regarding the
potential of this holistic approach.

Valete!
Q. Valerius Callidus

Publius Memmius Albucius omnibus Plebeiis ac Quiritibus s.d.


Salvete omnes,

In my Main list message n°39856, Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:35 pm, on «CALL
FOR CANDIDACIES FOR PLEBEIAN OFFICES - ANNUAL ELECTIONS » (CPT list
889 Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:37 pm) , I had the honor to inform you, on
behalf of the whole Tribunate, on the rules applicable to plebeian
elections this year, for 2759 a.u.c. offices (please see the message
and the edict below).

This communication, and the attached edict, have not been legally
contested and so have received a full legal binding.

The Tribunate edict has precised two periods for the presentation of
the candidacies :
- from 25th Nov. 2005 9 :35 pm to 1st Dec. 2005 0:00 am Rome time ;
- from 1st Dec. 2005 0 :00 am to 9th Dec. 2005 0:00 am Rome time.

During the 1st period, have been accepted the sole candidacies of the
citizens who have not occupied, during this year 2758, the office for
which the candidacy has just been presented.

An optional period, the second one, has been scheduled, just in the
following possible case : on 1st Dec. 2005 00 :00 am (Kal. Dec. 2758
auc) there would have been at least, for each plebeain magistracy
(aedilician or tribunician one), more open positions than legally
received candidacies.

I am obliged to state, dear amici Plebeii and you, omnes Quirites,
that we know today this situation. For, concerning :

- Aedilitas plebis :
. Open positions : 2
. Registered candidacies in CPT list : 0

- Tribunatus plebis :
. Open positions : 5
. Registered candidacies in CPT list : 3
(Agrippa, Astur, Paulinus).


I thus declare opened the second period for candidacies.

In this period, which ends on *9th Dec. 2005 0:00 am Rome time*,
would thus be accepted the candidacies :
- *dully made in CPT list*
- by citizens who answer *the legal requirements* (see the edict
below)to run for these offices.

These candidacies could thus be made by :

- cives who would have forgotten to register in CPT list
during the 1st period ;
- cives who would not have in one of these positions in 2758
and would not have wished to submit their candidacy during the first
period ;
- the aediles and tribuni plebis currently in charge, on the
same type of office that they have today, in due consideration of the
prohibition of cumulatio (no running on 2 magistracies for one group
of annual elections).


Good luck to all, and prepare, all of you Plebeians, to vote !

Valete omnes.

On behalf of Marcus Bianchius Antonius, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus,
Caius Curius Saturninus, Marca Hortensia Maior, and myself, Tribuni
plebis,


P. Memmius Albucius
Tribunus Plebis


______________________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________

Message n°39856, Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:35 pm, on «CALL FOR CANDIDACIES
FOR PLEBEIAN OFFICES - ANNUAL ELECTIONS »

Here comes the time of annual elections for plebeian offices.

Please read carefully the following edict, issued by the whole
Tribunate, which sets the rules of election for Tribunes and Aediles.

The Honorable citizens who are interested will pay attention to the
posting address of their candidacy, at :
comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com,

and *just this one* !

The cives who would have declared their candidacy yet, for example in
NR main list, *must* post their declaration to the above address.

Mind, too, the required conditions to run for these hard working
offices.

On behalf of the whole Tribunate, let me please ask respectfully to
Pales, Ceres and Minerva, among our Gods, to place these elections
under their protection. Let me please, also, thank in advance all of
the candidates, who are ready to give (a lot of) their time and
energy to represent the Plebs of Nova Roma and "administer the law"
in next 2759 a.u.c..

Good luck to all, and prepare, all of you Plebeians, to vote !

Valete omnes.

On behalf of Marcus Bianchius Antonius, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus,
Caius Curius Saturninus, Marca Hortensia Maior, and myself, Tribuni
plebis,


P. Memmius Albucius
Tribunus Plebis



attached_________________________________________________________

EDICT OF THE TRIBUNATE FOR THE CALL OF CANDIDACIES FOR THE ANNUAL
PLEBEIAN ELECTIONS


We, the tribunes of the Plebs Bianchius, Constantinus, Curius,
Hortensia, and Memmius, currently in charge for Nova Roma, and
specially of the annual plebeian elections, hereby call for
candidates for the plebeian magistracies for year 2759 a.u.c. (2006
c.e.).

This call is strictly reserved for plebeian citizens.


The plebeian citizen wishing to serve as Tribune or Aedile of the
Plebs in 2759 a.u.c. must be :


- citizen for at least six months by Kal. Ian. MMDCCLVIIII (January
1st, 2006) ;
- assiduus (tax-paying) at the time of the present call ;
- plebeian, i.e. member of the plebeian order ;
- not candidate to another magisterial office (cumulatio).


The comitia plebis tributa will be convened for these annual
elections later, but candidates may, from now, make their candidacy
known and enter in campaign if they wish.

Every plebeian candidate must, before 00:00 a.m. (time of Rome) on
1th December, 2005, confirm her/his candidacy by posting it to the
mailing list of the *comitia plebis tributa* at :

comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com

Any other posting, for example to the main list of Nova Roma, is
facultative. A candidacy which would have not been posted in
comitiaplebistributa@yahoogroups.com list will not registered by the
Tribunate.

Every candidacy will :

1/ make appear in the subject of the message, the expression "
Candidacy for tribune [or " aedile "]" ;

2/ include, in its contents, the clear will to run for tribune or
aedile ;

3/ include the full roman name, dully registered by the Censors of
Nova Roma, of the candidate.

The following offices are open to the candidacies :

TRIBUNUS PLEBIS - 5 positions available.

In addition to the conditions aforementioned, the candidate for
Tribune must also be at least 25 years old at Kal. Ian. 2759 (born
on, or before 1st January 1981).

AEDILIS PLEBIS - 2 positions available.

In addition to the conditions aforementioned, the candidate for
Aedile must also :

- be at least 21 years old at Kal. Ian. 2759 (born on or before 1st
January 1985).
- have occupied one of the offices of the Tribuneship, Quaestorship,
Curatorship or Propraetorship for six months long, except - according
lex Arminia de curso honorum
(http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2004-06-02-ii.html) -
current scribes of aediles plebis, who may run for aedileship if they
have been in this charge for at least six months.

According lex Salicia de prorogatione et cumulatione, current
tribunes and aediles are not allowed to be candidates.

However, if, after 00:00 a.m. (time of Rome) on 1th December, 2005,
the number of the candidates for the offices of tribune or aedile is
lower than the number of offices to be filled (5 for the tribunes and
2 for the aediles), a second period of presentation of candidacies
will be open for the concerned magistracy.

During this second period, which will last from 00:00 a.m. (time of
Rome) on 1th December, 2005 to 00:00 a.m. (time of Rome) on 9th
December, 2005, current tribunes and aediles will be allowed to be
candidates, with the same rights and duties than other candidates.


Issued in Roma, Italia, this twenty fifthday (25th) of November, 2005
C.E. (a.d. VII Kal. Nov. 2758 a.u.c.), during the consulate of Fr.
Apulus Caesar and Ga. Popillius Laenas


Marcus Bianchius Antonius, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus, Caius Curius
Saturninus, Marca Hortensia Maior, Publius Memmius Albucius, Tribuni
plebis.

Salvete quirites, et salve Calide,

Q. Valerius Callidus <Velaki@...> writes:

[...]

> I propose the formation of a committee to oversee the New Citizen
> Process, to investigate and review the current process, and find
> ways not only to make the experience more enjoyable for the new
> citizen, but also a way to reach out to more potential citizens.

This idea has merit, but it also has problems. If this proposed committee
were to be an official arm of Nova Roman government it would have to be
created by the Senate, the Comitia Centuriata, the Comitia Populi Tributa, or
the Concilium Plebis. To do that, a presiding magistrate would have to
propose it as an agenda item for the respective body, and then there'd have
to be a vote on it.

I say this not to shoot you down, but to make clear the difficulties. A
better course of action might be one of providing guidance to the provincial
governments so that they could have local programs where existing citizens
would voluntarily provide "welcome wagon" services to new citizens. The
provincial governors have wide latitude in their potestas, and can do many
things within their provinces that the central government can only do with a
political process as described above.

The Sodalitas Egressus has been working on recruitment matters. Perhaps this
would be an area that Gn. Iulius Caesar and M. Audens could turn their
considerable expertise toward. If Egressus were to develop a framework for
provincial groups to use for their retention work, it might prove to be a
very good thing indeed.

Vale, et valete quirites,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Salvete omnes,

My name is Lucius Cassius Cornutus.
I have only been a citizen since 7/27/05.....
My focus is Roman paganism, and I know
little of politics. As I understand it one has
to be a citizen for more than six months
to run. What can I do to help Nova Roma
at this stage in my citizenship?

PAX DEORUM

Lucius Cassius Cornutus

On Dec 1, 2005, at 10:02 AM, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix wrote:

> C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> I am writing this as a plea to the Quirites of Nova Roma for noble
> citizens to step forward and run for elected office in the upcoming
> election.
>
> We still have many critical offices that have insufficient candidates
> or
> none at all:
>
> We still need one Plebian Aedile.
>
> We still need four Tribune of the Plebs.
>
> We still need three Quaestors.
>
> We still need an  Editor Commentariorum.
>
> We still need four Diribitores.
>
> We still need three Rogatores.
>
> We still need one Custodes.
>
> There are only two more days for candidates to submit their intentions
> to run for office - the deadline is December 3rd, 8 p.m. Roma time, so
> time is running out.
>
> Citizens of Nova Roma, our Res Publica cannot function without an
> elected government. We have 1521 registered citizens as of today and
> yet
> we are still in danger of not even being able to field sufficient
> candidates to fill the 18 remaining magisterial openings - and that is
> to merely fill the spaces and leave us with uncontested elections in
> many cases. Public service is the keystone of the Roman and Nova Roman
> ideal. I realize many of you out there are saying to yourself "I'm too
> new" or "I don't really know enough" and are afraid you may not be up
> to
> the task. Trust me - and I'm speaking from experience - the best way
> to
> learn is to jump right in. It may be a bit overwhelming at first, but
> you'll be amazed at how quickly you adjust. Many of these open offices
> are fairly simple and do not involve a huge investment in time, and
> they
> are an excellent way for a new citizen to get involved, learn how Nova
> Roma works, and start your path on that most Roman of endeavors -
> civic
> service. We cannot have elections without Diribitores. The Plebs of
> Nova
> Roma will lack a voice without Tribunes. We will have no newsletter
> without an Editor Commentariorum. I implore you, citizens of Nova
> Roma,
> step up to the plate for your Res Publica. Don't sit and wait for
> someone else to do it, or it may never get done.
>
> Valete Bene,
>
> --
> Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
> Pontifex et Minervae Aedis Sacerdos Legate Massachusetts Regio
> c.minucius.hadrianus@...
>
> "We are all, so far as we inherit the civilization of Europe,
> still citizens of the Roman Empire, and time as not yet proved
> Virgil wrong when he wrote /nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine
> dedi./"
>
> -T.S. Eliot
>
> "/His ego nec metas rerum nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"
>
> "For the achievement of these people I fix neither spatial boundaries
> or
> temporal limits: I have given them empire without end."
>
> -Virgil, /Aeneid/ I.278,279
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Salve Luci Cassi,

Lucius Cassius Cornutus <obiwan6797@...> writes:

> My name is Lucius Cassius Cornutus.
> I have only been a citizen since 7/27/05.....
> My focus is Roman paganism, and I know
> little of politics. As I understand it one has
> to be a citizen for more than six months
> to run. What can I do to help Nova Roma
> at this stage in my citizenship?

Keep studying and learning. Seriously. Pursue your interest in the Religio.
Read Scheid's book if you haven't already read it. Participate in the Religio
mailing lists.

If you're interested in helping out with the civic government, you might
consider asking a magistrate if you could serve them as a scribe. It's a
good way to learn how a magistracy works.

Thanks for your interest, and your desire to help out.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Salvete omnes,

I just want to let everyone know that I will be interviewing the founders of Nova Roma shortly, most likely within the next week or so. This interview will be broadcast over Nova Roma Radio (Podcast) and the transcript will be published shortly after in the "Aquila". Twenty questions will be put to Marcus Cassius Iulianus and Patricia Cassia. I hope everyone enjoys hearing the answers to these questions.

Also, since I have not seen this posted here yet I would like to announce to everyone here that Champoin One Productions, the producers of the Nashville TN Roman Festival a couple of years ago is now in negotiations with the History Channel and HBO in order to have them sponsor a Roman Legion (with camp followers and Politicians :-) re-enactment contigent in the 2007 New Year's Day Parade of Roses in California. He believes this will be very possible because it perfectly serves to promote the second season of "Rome" which is scheduled to air shortly after that date. Gary Barbosa of Champoin One productions is negotiating to get them to pay for everyone's plane tickets there and back as well as hotel accomondations for the short stay there. So if you haven't joined a re-enactment legion yet, now's the time. Anyone got a Chariot?

Hopefully this in itself will get the public to become aware of us as a community.

Vires et honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

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Salvete,

Let me provide some information for this process. The founders of Nova
Roma are Flavius Vedius Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Julianus.
Patrica Cassia, although a great contributor from the early days, has
never been considered a founder.

An interview that did not include Flavius Vedius would be incomplete
and somewhat of a slight.

Valete,

G. Popillius Laenas

The RIGHT is not poised to take over anything. If it
were, why would I for one be so adamant? Oh, I can
only imagine what you will come up with now. You want
to debate privately? My address is listed so we can
spare the rest of the folks here from Americas Second
Civil War.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
<robertpartlow@...> wrote:

> Salvete,
> I have often ignored such outbursts (whether

intended to be

> supportive of right-wing radical-subversives or

not)in order to keep

> discourse at a civil and intelligent level. Now I

feel that time is

> no longer constructive, given the extent of crazed

neo-con and

> religeous-fanatical control that threatens to

over-take this world.

> No group is immune from such destructive,

thoughtless, reactionism.

> My reason for reacting is the fact that McCarthy was

a drunk who

> destroyed the careers of many good thoughtful people

and helped cause

> the dumbing-down of our society which was to be a

new (Roman Republic

> of sorts) society based pluralism and respect for

all (non-

> destructive) attitudes. His rhetoric went against

this. Remember the

> movie "Spartacus"? It was produced by Kirk Douglas

who chose Stanley

> Kubrick(blacklisted by McCarthy) to direct it, as

the movie presented

> a mirrored period in Rome when M.Licinius

Crassus(money-grubbing

> emotionally-damaged street-urchin)used fear of

societal-collapse to

> take control of the government and turned society

toward a cesspool

> of stupidity and paranoia. As history actually

showed, he met his end

> along with thousands of good troops and a great deal

of denarii to

> attempt a takeover of the empire of a cooperative

eastern neighbor

> (left-well-enough-alone). Keep in mind it is not the

person toward

> which I am responding, but the statement which must

no longer go

> unchallenged. Such statements which go on with out

the proper

> discourse have (as presently illustrated by U.S.

society) led to a

> destructive quagmire of global proportion.
> Valvete,
> Appius Claudius Scipio
>
>
>

S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

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> I say this not to shoot you down, but to make clear the
> difficulties. A better course of action might be one of providing
> guidance to the provincial governments so that they could have
> local programs where existing citizens would voluntarily
> provide "welcome wagon" services to new citizens. The provincial
> governors have wide latitude in their potestas, and can do many
> things within their provinces that the central government can only
> do with a political process as described above.

My esteemed Marinus, I completely agree with you. I simply wanted
to toss this out into the forum to get some opinion.

> The Sodalitas Egressus has been working on recruitment matters.
>
> Perhaps this would be an area that Gn. Iulius Caesar and M. Audens
> could turn their considerable expertise toward. If Egressus were
> to develop a framework for provincial groups to use for their
> retention work, it might prove to be a very good thing indeed.

Sounds like great advice.

Gratias vobis ago.
Vale et valete!
Q. Valerius Callidus

Salve Romans

I am having trouble with my spqr753@... email so I have changed my
email at yahoo. Please use this address spqr1947@... if you need
to communicate with me off list.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Salvete Patres et Conscripti et Quirites!

The following documents; the "Census Report 2005", two documents
called "the Census 2005 Recommendations" and "the Addenda to the
Census 2005 Report" will be found at the Nova Roma web site if one
clicks the following button:

The Bi-Annual Nova Roma Census
Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, Censor has reported that the recent
Census of Nova Roma has been completed. The results and the analysis,
as well as the recommendations of the Officina Census CBFQ, are
available here.

This leads to the following page: http://www.novaroma.org/census2857.html

By publishing these documents I have fulfilled my duties with the
execution of the Census and hereby I declare the Census concluded in
all respects.

I have together with my skilled Scriba Primus Marcus Moravius
Piscinus Horatianus also chosen to publish some recommendations to
the next years Consuls of Nova Roma and its Senate and Populus. I am
sure other ideas will develop as the evaluation of the Census goes
on, this is only to be seen as our contribution as we saw it at the
end of the Census from our point of view as we where involved in the
Census.

Further: I would like to to thank the following citizens for a
fantastic job with the Census:

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, Scriba Censoris Census Primus

Scribae Censoris Officinae Census:
Quintus Cassius Calvus; Marcus Octavius Germanicus; Marca Hortensia
Maior; Aulus Apollonius Cordus; Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus; Marcus
Antonius Biachius; Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and Manius
Constantinus Serapio

Further I also would like to thank Marcus Lucretius Agricola for
assistance beyond any call of duty.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Valetudo quod fortuna,

I was thinking about old friends from Nova Roma who departed long and
long ago.

Damianus Lucianus Dexippus came to mind.

Anyone from New Jersey know of him?

Just wondering.

mille gratias - Venator

Salve Paulinus,
I would be very interested in ordering one of the double sided flags if there are any available.
Vale; Decimus Gladius Lupus.

"Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@...> wrote:

Salve Romans


I am in the process of ordering new Nova Roma flags that will be for sale to anybody who would like them.
The Flags will be like a modern national flag 3' by 5'. The will come in two styles, one sided, which means one side will be backward and two sided meaning that it will read right on both sides. I would like to get an idea of how may flags to order.

The cost of a one sided 3' by 5' flag will be about 40.00 each plus postage

The cost of a two sided 3' by 5' flag will be about 65.00 each plus postage

10% ( $4 or $6.50 ) will go to the Nova Roma Treasury for each flag sold.

Once the order has been placed it will be about 4 week to make the flags and for me to get them and start sending them out.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Ordo equester
Proprietor The Galerius Shop






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Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Accensus Consulis Fr. Apuli Caesaris Quiritibus sal.:

Quirites, please forgive Consul Caesar his absence and the "missing candidates": As Accensus of the Consul I am informed from his cohors-mailinglist that he is absent until monday because he is forced to be in hospital for exams on his broken arm. He writes that he is reading the mails via wap and tgd elections will continue regularly.

Valete optime!
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"Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> ha scritto:
Salvete Gaia Aurelia et A. Apploni Corde,

I sent my data in as instructed and have been confirmed by the
tribunes. Over the last three days I did the same twice for Consul
FAC but have not heard back yet. He could be tied up or the website
has delays as you say but for the record, I followed instructions.

Regards,

QSP


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> part, all I can say is that I did cc my announcement
> to the proper address, received a private message fo
> acknowledgement from the consul, and replied to that
> in turn, so I clearly haven't slipped through that
> particular crack - presumably there is just an
> understandable delay before the website gets updated.
> The same may be true of the other "missing" candidates.
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Salve Decimus Gladius Lupus

You are the first person who has shown any interest in the flag. If I get more interest I will order some. I will keep a list of those who are interested and announce when you can order some.

Thanks

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: DecimusGladiusLupus<mailto:hicksvillebozo@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Nova Roman Flags


Salve Paulinus,
I would be very interested in ordering one of the double sided flags if there are any available.
Vale; Decimus Gladius Lupus.

"Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@...<mailto:spqr753@...>> wrote:

Salve Romans


I am in the process of ordering new Nova Roma flags that will be for sale to anybody who would like them.
The Flags will be like a modern national flag 3' by 5'. The will come in two styles, one sided, which means one side will be backward and two sided meaning that it will read right on both sides. I would like to get an idea of how may flags to order.

The cost of a one sided 3' by 5' flag will be about 40.00 each plus postage

The cost of a two sided 3' by 5' flag will be about 65.00 each plus postage

10% ( $4 or $6.50 ) will go to the Nova Roma Treasury for each flag sold.

Once the order has been placed it will be about 4 week to make the flags and for me to get them and start sending them out.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Ordo equester
Proprietor The Galerius Shop






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Salve,

How does one go about getting these podcasts?

PAX DEORUM

Lucius Cassius Cornutus

On Dec 1, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Sensei Phil Perez wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> I just want to let everyone know that I will be interviewing the
> founders of Nova Roma shortly, most likely within the next week or so.
> This interview will be broadcast over Nova Roma Radio (Podcast) and
> the transcript will be published shortly after in the "Aquila". Twenty
> questions will be put to Marcus Cassius Iulianus and Patricia Cassia.
> I hope everyone enjoys hearing the answers to these questions.
>
> Also, since I have not seen this posted here yet I would like to
> announce to everyone here that Champoin One Productions, the producers
> of the Nashville TN Roman Festival a couple of years ago is now in
> negotiations with the History Channel and HBO in order to have them
> sponsor a Roman Legion (with camp followers and Politicians :-)
> re-enactment contigent in the 2007 New Year's Day Parade of Roses in
> California. He believes this will be very possible because it
> perfectly serves to promote the second season of "Rome" which is
> scheduled to air shortly after that date. Gary Barbosa of Champoin One
> productions is negotiating to get them to pay for everyone's plane
> tickets there and back as well as hotel accomondations for the short
> stay there. So if you haven't joined a re-enactment legion yet, now's
> the time. Anyone got a Chariot?
>
> Hopefully this in itself will get the public to become aware of us as
> a community.
>
> Vires et honos,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus
>
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---Salve Venii et Omnes:

Uncanny. I think about him from time to time myself. I hope he is
keeping well.

Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "S Ullerius Venator" <wend1066@g...>
wrote:

>
> Valetudo quod fortuna,
>
> I was thinking about old friends from Nova Roma who departed long and
> long ago.
>
> Damianus Lucianus Dexippus came to mind.
>
> Anyone from New Jersey know of him?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> mille gratias - Venator
>

Salve Tiberius Galerius Paulinus~

Please put me down for 1 2-sided flag as well, if you please.

Quintus Moravius Severus

On 12/1/05, STEPHEN GALLAGHER <spqr1947@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Decimus Gladius Lupus
>
> You are the first person who has shown any interest in the flag. If I get
> more interest I will order some. I will keep a list of those who are
> interested and announce when you can order some.
>
> Thanks
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DecimusGladiusLupus<mailto:hicksvillebozo@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Nova Roman Flags
>
>
> Salve Paulinus,
> I would be very interested in ordering one of
> the double sided flags if there are any available.
> Vale; Decimus Gladius Lupus.
>
> "Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@...<mailto:spqr753@...>> wrote:
>
> Salve Romans
>
>
> I am in the process of ordering new Nova Roma flags that will be for
> sale to anybody who would like them.
> The Flags will be like a modern national flag 3' by 5'. The will come
> in two styles, one sided, which means one side will be backward and two
> sided meaning that it will read right on both sides. I would like to get an
> idea of how may flags to order.
>
> The cost of a one sided 3' by 5' flag will be about 40.00 each plus
> postage
>
> The cost of a two sided 3' by 5' flag will be about 65.00 each plus
> postage
>
> 10% ( $4 or $6.50 ) will go to the Nova Roma Treasury for each flag
> sold.
>
> Once the order has been placed it will be about 4 week to make the flags
> and for me to get them and start sending them out.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Ordo equester
> Proprietor The Galerius Shop
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Ave Po,

Good to hear directly from you. I hope that the Holy is smiling on
thee and thine.

I sometimes wonder how Maria Fimbria (alias Marius Fimbrius) and
Nicolas Moravius Vado are doing, also.

Overall, though, I think we've done good work here over the past 7 plus years.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/

--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

> A. Tullia Scholastica A. Apollonio Cordo quiritibusque omnibus S.P.D.
>
> A. Apollonius C. Minucio omnibusque sal.
>
> I quite agree with your general appeal. In one
> respect, though, we're better off that you fear:
>
>> > We still need three Rogatores.
>
> Since there are only two vacancies for rogator in
> total, I suspect we really only need one more candidate.
>
> ATS: In fact, we already have two candidates for the position of rogator, and
> at least one for the position of aedilis plebis, and possibly one for the
> position of editor commentariorum, though that person announced on New Roman
> or one of the other boards.
>
> Vale, et ualete.
>
>

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> Salue, Q. Valeri Callide, et saluete, quirites!
>
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> New citizens are a wonderful thing, no matter what sparked their
> interest initially. Look at the HBO "Rome" series. I'm sure its
> success has produced some kind of upsurge in many thing Roman,
> despite historic accuracy or inaccuracy. The movie "Gladiator" did
> something similar.
>
> With a return to "The Sopranos," people will be exposed to reruns of
> the series, and thus this particular source demographic might lessen
> until the second season airs, circa early 2007.
>
> So, what do we do with a bunch of inquisitive people, who wish to
> learn about Rome, and subsequently Nova Roma? It's akin to someone
> obtaining a driver's license, what with a large number of potential
> pamphlets and all, to read and memorize in expectation of taking a
> test to ensure that he or she will be a safe and conscientious
> operator.
>
> Driving is a privilege, not a right. Given that many potential
> citizens might venture here initially to learn a little more about
> what they've seen on TV or in the movies, and expect things to
> be "like that show on HBO or PBS," how can we walk with them through
> the process, without dumping them into a plethora of mailing lists,
> usually fraught with internal politics?
>
> I propose the formation of a committee to oversee the New Citizen
> Process, to investigate and review the current process, and find
> ways not only to make the experience more enjoyable for the new
> citizen, but also a way to reach out to more potential citizens.
>
> ATS: The Sodalitas Egressus seems to be engaged in similar activities.
>
> Inspired by Praefect Equestria Iunia Laeca's efforts with a "Place
> To Go" for members of my own province of Nova Britannia, I would
> propose the formation of a group of volunteers, whose function would
> be to "Welcome" new citizens, and play a dual role as both "Mentor"
> and "Paedagogus" to assist these new citizens during their
> probationary period. These people would work one-on-one with the new
> citizens; a few Novi assigned to each volunteer. They would
> personally help them navigate, mentor them, teach them, and
> demonstrate to them that they ARE an already active and important
> part of Nova Roma.
>
> ATS: This is a good idea, but as our censor has pointed out, would
> require jumping through several governmental hoops prior to implementation.
> It also supposes that there are a lot of citizens willing to guide others on a
> formal basis as some of us do on an informal basis. The censorial scribae do
> some of this with the citizen prospects, and there is also the NewRoman list
> where questions may be asked and answered in a calmer environment than that of
> the ML. Please note, too, that there are days when we in the censor¹s office
> receive twenty or more new citizen applications‹every citizen would have to
> mentor another, or several others, to manage that volume. Perhaps an
> extension of the tirocinium and such assistance could be possible; it
> certainly would be nice to do this if we could get through the hoops and find
> the mentors, though realistically, it may have to be more like a class than a
> paidagogos situation.
>
>
> Additionally, each new citizen thus helped would then be able to
> function as a helper, thereby allowing the new citizen to become
> involved immediately. After all, "Discimus ut discimur." (pardon my
> spelling and grammar errors) I learn the most when I teach, since
> my students as me questions that challenge myself. I should think
> the same would be true for new citizens.
>
> ATS: I was a freshman guide in undergraduate college, so I have some
> familiarity with this.
>
> As for the aphorism, I suspect that it¹s Œdocemus ut discamus,¹ Œwe teach
> so that we may learn.¹ There are other similar proverbs.
>
> As members now responsible for the education of others, I believe
> that new citizens themselves would contribute the most to citizen
> retention.
>
> ATS: Yes, and they often do help the newer citizens. So do those of us
> who¹ve been around a while.
>
> As my toga begins to slide off my shoulder, I'll end this thought,
> but I welcome any and all questions and discussions regarding the
> potential of this holistic approach.
>
> Valete!
> Q. Valerius Callidus
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>
>

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CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·QVIRITIBVS·S·P·D

I would like to dedicate just a few words to thank all the people who
have taken part in the census and to congratulate them for an
excellent job.

I have the impression that this census will effectively prove to be a
turning point in the progress of Nova Roma. For the first time, we
have clear indications of the demographics of Nova Roma. This is
already stirring some interesting debate (How could we attract more
new citizens? And how could we keep those citizens whose interest
simply fades over time?). I sincerely hope that this debate will
eventually lead to some improvements in our recruitment methods.

Once again, thank you. We really, really needed this.

S·V·B·E·E·V

CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Quiritibus SPD.

In the (almost) year that I have been around Nova Roma, and
in the seven months that I have been a civis, the entire
census process, and especially the very detailed report by
C. Fabius Buteo Quintillianus, are the most impressive
pieces of work that I have seen come through the Main List.

To Censor Fabius and his team, who have invested hundreds
of hours in making this census possible, magnas gratias ago.
Each of you sets a fine example for anyone coming into NR.

As others have said, we have at last a clear picture of the
populus which is the foundation NR's future. To choose the
architects, every single assidui needs to vote.

Valete bene in pace Deorum

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Salvius Astur
<cn.salvius.astur@g...> wrote:

>
> CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·QVIRITIBVS·S·P·D
>
> I would like to dedicate just a few words to thank all the people who
> have taken part in the census and to congratulate them for an
> excellent job.
>
> I have the impression that this census will effectively prove to be a
> turning point in the progress of Nova Roma. For the first time, we
> have clear indications of the demographics of Nova Roma. This is
> already stirring some interesting debate (How could we attract more
> new citizens? And how could we keep those citizens whose interest
> simply fades over time?). I sincerely hope that this debate will
> eventually lead to some improvements in our recruitment methods.
>
> Once again, thank you. We really, really needed this.
>
> S·V·B·E·E·V
>
> CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT
>

M. LVCRETIVS AGRICOLA OMNIBVS S.P.D.

Fellow Nova Romans, and especially Citizens, I come before you now to
speak of that sadest of all human feelings, regret.

How often in life are the senses attracted by superficial things! How
sad that later, sense and wisdom, operating in retrospective show that
we have missed something of great value but of modest appearance!

My remarks hold true of people as well as things. It is easy to take
notice of those who step forward speaking loudly. Yet how often, in
the shadows of the boisterous and noisy can we discern, if we are
wise, the modest figures of those who put forth all their energies
modestly yet so effectively.

My regret is that I had a chance recently to meet just such a modest
and hard-working person. Yet in my folly I did not avail myself more
completely of the opportunity to forge the bonds of friendship with him.

I am speaking of the excellent citizen of Dacia and candidate for the
Curule Aedileship, Titus Iulius Sabinus.

I would like to tell you a few things I learned about Titus Iulius
Sabinus. First, in spite of the economic difficulties of his
macronational home, he is a small business owner. That alone, if you
understand the circumstances, should be enough to tell you that he is
not only exceptionally hardworking, but farsighted and courageous.

The second thing I learned is that not only does Titus Iulius Sabinus
have a family, but his family are fellow Cives as well. If it is the
mark of a good Roman that that Rome be a part of one's daily life,
then who could be a better Roman than one who lives a Roman family life?

Of course, the wonderful work that Titus Iulius Sabinus has done in
setting up the Provincia of Dacia can be seen by all. Look at the list
of citizens, look at the complete set of Provincial officers, look at
the Provincial web site. It is impossible to deny that this is
organizing work of the first class.

Anyone who reads this list knows the demeanor of Titus Iulius Sabinus.
That he speaks always with the greatest humility and courtesy is known
to all. What I learned in speaking with him face to face is that he
also speaks with the greatest sincerity. Anyone who cares to examine
the posts of Titus Iulius Sabinus, not only here but on other lists,
will find ample evidence of this.

In short, I find that Titus Iulius Sabinus is well suited by his
experience, by his ability, by his demonstrated dedication, by his
personality, by all his qualities of Romanitas, for the office of
Curule Aedile or any other office he may seek. I urge all Citizens to
join me in supporting Titus Iulius Sabinus for Curule Aedle.

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodies est postridie Kalendas Decembris; haec dies nefastus aterque est.

"Neither of these plans was approved and Herennius was carried home
from the camp. In the Roman camp, after many fruitless attempts had
been made to break out and they found themselves at last in a state of
utter destitution, necessity compelled them to send envoys to the
Samnites to ask in the first instance for fair terms of peace, and
failing that to challenge them to battle. Pontius replied that all war
was at an end, and since even now that they were vanquished and
captured they were incapable of acknowledging their true position, he
should deprive them of their arms and send them under the yoke,
allowing them to retain one garment each. The other conditions would
be fair to both victors and vanquished. If they evacuated Samnium and
withdrew their colonists from his country, the Roman and the Samnite
would henceforth live under their own laws as sovereign states united
by a just and honourable treaty. On these conditions he was ready to
conclude a treaty with the consuls, if they rejected any of them he
forbade any further overtures to be made to him. When the result was
announced, such a universal cry of distress arose, such gloom and
melancholy prevailed, that they evidently could not have taken it more
heavily if it had been announced to them all that they must die on the
spot. Then followed a long silence. The consuls were unable to breathe
a word either in favour of a capitulation so humiliating or against
one so necessary. At last L. Lentulus, of all the staff-officers the
most distinguished, both by his personal qualities and the offices he
had held, spoke: "I have often," he said, "heard my father, consuls,
say that he was the only one in the Capitol who refused to ransom the
City from the Gauls with gold, for the force in the Capitol was not
invested and shut in with fosse and rampart, as the Gauls were too
indolent to undertake that sort of work; it was therefore quite
possible for them to make a sortie involving, perhaps, heavy loss, but
not certain destruction. If we had the same chance of fighting,
whether on favourable or unfavourable ground, which they had of
charging down upon the foe from the Capitol, in the same way as the
besieged have often made sorties against their besiegers, I should not
fall behind my father's spirit and courage in the advice which I
should give. To die for one's country is, I admit, a glorious thing,
and as concerns myself I am ready to devote myself for the people and
legions of Rome or to plunge into the midst of the enemy. But it is
here that I behold my country, it is on this spot that all the legions
which Rome possesses are gathered, and unless they wish to rush to
death for their own sakes, to save their honour, what else have they
that they can save by their death. 'The dwellings of the City,'
somebody may reply, ' and its walls, and that crowd of human beings
who form its population.' Nay, on the contrary, all these things are
not saved, they are handed over to the enemy if this army is
annihilated. For who will protect them? A defenceless multitude of
non-combatants, I suppose; as successfully as it defended them from
the approach of the Gauls. Or will they implore the help of an army
from Veii with Camillus at its head ? Here and here alone are all our
hopes, all our strength. If we save these we save our country, if we
give these up to death we desert and betray our country. 'Yes,' you
say, 'but surrender is base and ignominious.' It is; but true
affection for our country demands that we should preserve it, if need
be, by our disgrace as much as by our death. However great then the
indignity, we must submit to it and yield to the compulsion of
necessity, a compulsion which the gods themselves cannot evade! Go,
consuls, give up your arms as a ransom for that State which your
ancestors ransomed with gold!" - Livy, History of Rome 9.4


On this day in A.D. 1814, Donatien Alphonse Francois, comte de Sade
(although he always referred to himself as the "Marquis de Sade"),
died at the insane asylum at Charenton (now Saint-Maurice,
Val-de-Marne) near Paris.


Valete bene!

Cato

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana C. Minucio Scaevolae omnibusque SPD.

In Post #40055, very grave concerns are raised regarding the
candidacy of Q. Fabius Maximus for Censor.

Since then there have been some supportive posts, but I
have not found any explicit refutation of any of the
statements made by C. M. Scaevola.

This raises serious concerns of my own, as a first-time
voter in the annual elections. If Nova Roma follows
common real-world practice where the number of candidates
is less than (or equal to)the number of seats to be filled,
*all* of the candidates for that position are declared elected,
regardless of how many votes they get.

Any opinions about the candidates will be moot. My vote
(and all other votes)will count for nothing.

I would remind everyone who objects to Q. Fabius Maximus
holding the office of Censor, that, unless at least one
other qualified candidate declares for the office of Censor,
and communicates that declaration to the proper e-addresses
before the deadline, QFM will be elected by acclamation.

As matters stand (late evening December 1) there are still
only 2 declared candidates for Censor on NR's main website
"List of Candidates" There are two positions to be filled.

Barring a third candidate, QFM's election is assured.

Now if someone could tell me--is there a God of Democratic
Process? If there is, some invocations are due, not only
for the office of Censor, but for other offices needing
candidates.

Valete bene in pace Deorum.

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

Salve Amice!

I thank You for your kind words on the behalf of
the Offiicina Census in Cohors Censoris CFBQ. I
have already thanked these fantastic citizens
with Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus as their
leader. I have been very privileged as a Nova
Roman magistrate to be able to recruit citizens
with such quality as my assistants. I must also
add a heartfelt thanks to the many governors who
have done a very good job!

Yes we need to let this be a turning point in the
development of Nova Roma. Please read the
recommendations that follow the Census Report. I
would say that we need to concentrate on the
face-to-face meetings and sbuld local groups and
from there build Provinciae with a strong bound
between the local groups (Lex Fabia de Oppidis et
Municipiis
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2003-10-08-v.html
) and each Provincia. Occasions like the Roman
Days or Roman Market days in USA and the
Conventii in Europe are also very important in
building long lasting bounds between our citizens
which is something that will get citizens to stay
in the Res Publica.

I also sincerely believe that the "citizen test"
and the contacts with applicants about getting a
Roman name has changed the quality of applicants
that end up as citizens. Further the "New Roman"
list is already functioning as a kind of guide
into Nova Roman life. But nothing can beat the
face-to-face meeting!

>CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·QVIRITIBVS·S·P·D
>
>I would like to dedicate just a few words to thank all the people who
>have taken part in the census and to congratulate them for an
>excellent job.
>
>I have the impression that this census will effectively prove to be a
>turning point in the progress of Nova Roma. For the first time, we
>have clear indications of the demographics of Nova Roma. This is
>already stirring some interesting debate (How could we attract more
>new citizens? And how could we keep those citizens whose interest
>simply fades over time?). I sincerely hope that this debate will
>eventually lead to some improvements in our recruitment methods.
>
>Once again, thank you. We really, really needed this.
>
>S·V·B·E·E·V
>
>CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Censoris CFBQ
http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete:

We are only electing ONE person for Censor.

The office of Censor is a two year term. Each year we elect one Censor.
The person assuming the office of Censor this year will become the Junior
Censor. Right now my pater Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus is senior
Censor, and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus is junior Censor. After the election,
whoever is elected will become junior Censor and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
will become the senior Censor.

So only one person this year will be elected Censor.

As I have stated in the past I will vote for Gaius Minucius Hadrianus
Felix. He is a very ethical, and dedicated man who will serve our Republic
without reservation.

Valete;

C. Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 12/2/05, G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana <silvanatextrix@...> wrote:
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana C. Minucio Scaevolae omnibusque SPD.
>
> In Post #40055, very grave concerns are raised regarding the
> candidacy of Q. Fabius Maximus for Censor.
>
> Since then there have been some supportive posts, but I
> have not found any explicit refutation of any of the
> statements made by C. M. Scaevola.
>
> This raises serious concerns of my own, as a first-time
> voter in the annual elections. If Nova Roma follows
> common real-world practice where the number of candidates
> is less than (or equal to)the number of seats to be filled,
> *all* of the candidates for that position are declared elected,
> regardless of how many votes they get.
>
> Any opinions about the candidates will be moot. My vote
> (and all other votes)will count for nothing.
>
> I would remind everyone who objects to Q. Fabius Maximus
> holding the office of Censor, that, unless at least one
> other qualified candidate declares for the office of Censor,
> and communicates that declaration to the proper e-addresses
> before the deadline, QFM will be elected by acclamation.
>
> As matters stand (late evening December 1) there are still
> only 2 declared candidates for Censor on NR's main website
> "List of Candidates" There are two positions to be filled.
>
> Barring a third candidate, QFM's election is assured.
>
> Now if someone could tell me--is there a God of Democratic
> Process? If there is, some invocations are due, not only
> for the office of Censor, but for other offices needing
> candidates.
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum.
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana


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A. Apollonius L. Cassio omnibusque sal.

> How does one go about getting these podcasts?

We've had some technical problems and therefore
haven't been able to start broadcasting yet, but when
we start, there will be plenty of publicity, including
details of how to listen.





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SALVE LUCRETI AGRICOLA !

I want to thank you for your kindly support. It was very nice for me to meet you. I'm still looking to the CD coins and I hope you have a good impression about my province CD.
More then a lot of superficial things, our meetings are the good part of NR. I realized that when I return home.
When we are in the middle of the events, the time fly, the momments fast succesion limited our sensorial perceptions. Sure we talk a lot. But not enaugh. Then after all of that pass, we realize that this kind of momments are unique. Yes, we must have with priority this purpose. To transform that unique momments as a ordinary one, year after year in NR and quarterly in our provinces.
Still then, many greetings, Agricola amice.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

"M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...> wrote:
M. LVCRETIVS AGRICOLA OMNIBVS S.P.D.

Fellow Nova Romans, and especially Citizens, .....



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A. Apollonius C. Aureliae omnibusque sal.

> Now if someone could tell me--is there a God of
> Democratic
> Process? If there is, some invocations are due, not
> only
> for the office of Censor, but for other offices
> needing
> candidates.

Interesting question. Libertas was certainly regarded
as a sort of divine personification, and the concept
of libertas was closely associated with the republican
institutions including the voting-assemblies. There
was also a sort of religious aura around the concept
of majestas populi Romani (the 'greaterness' of the
Roman people), and one could say that the power to
elect magistrates is one of the things which
contributes to the people's majestas.



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Salve Laene,

It's hard to believe someone would have a problem with even this simple announcement. Critics abound for every little thing. Is it any wonder people leave our community in droves. Since I have no idea who Flavius Vedius is or where he may reside, why don't you interview him and then we'll have a complete interview. Just in two parts, mine and yours. If you are unwilling to do this, why bring it up? Just to slam someone who is trying hard to contribute something positive to our community? This is what the ML is famous for, isn't it? I do thank you for that information though, up to now from every source I have seen, Patricia has always been mentioned and included as a co-founder. I guess now I'll have 21 questions to ask ;-)

Vires et honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:33 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Founder's Interview, etc.


Salvete,

Let me provide some information for this process. The founders of Nova
Roma are Flavius Vedius Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Julianus.
Patrica Cassia, although a great contributor from the early days, has
never been considered a founder.

An interview that did not include Flavius Vedius would be incomplete
and somewhat of a slight.

Valete,

G. Popillius Laenas





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Salve Gaia Aurelia, et salvete quirites,

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana wrote:

> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana C. Minucio Scaevolae omnibusque SPD.
>
> In Post #40055, very grave concerns are raised regarding the
> candidacy of Q. Fabius Maximus for Censor.
>
> Since then there have been some supportive posts, but I
> have not found any explicit refutation of any of the
> statements made by C. M. Scaevola.

That would be because there is no possible refutation. Scaevola
reported the facts of the matter.

Fortunately for you, and all others who are concerned about the idea of
a man like Q. Fabius Maximus getting access to the census database,
another choice is available. G. Minucius Hadrianus has also declared
his candidacy for the one Censor position available. I would encourage
you to vote for him.

Vale, et valete,

-- Marinus

[Note: This is also published on my blog at: http://modianus.blogspot.com]

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Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

A question was proposed to me privately regarding my reaction, as a
Pontifex, to the catastrophe in New Orleans. The request was for me to
clarify my position. I am not going to mention the persons name who
requested the clarification, if he or she desires to identify who they then
that is their choice. I was, however, requested to respond in public.

I posted to the main forum the following (in part) in the aftermath of
hurricane Katrina:

Salvete;

I have issued my concern for the survivors of Katrina, and my concern for a
citizen of Nova Roma who I knew was from the area -- L. Modia Lupa (our
Vestal), whom we have found out is safe.

I do not have an official statement on Katrina, nor upon what has happened
to New Orleans. As a person, I can speculate philosophically that I believe
the Gods of Rome are ambivalent about the place. Why should they care? The
people of New Orleans do not make sacrifice to the Gods of Rome, and they do
not honor them. The magistrates of the city do not make regular offerings, and
New Orleans has no Collegium Pontificum of its own. So why should the Gods
of Rome care?

L. Modia Lupa believes in the Gods. She was in New Orleans. She made it out
successfully. Perhaps they have blessed her, by assisting her departure from
the city.

I DO NOT believe the Gods willed anything to happen. In the sense of being
malicious. However, I don't believe they concern themselves -- that is in
giving blessings -- with people and places who do not honor them. So while I
follow the disaster of Katrina on a daily basis, and am very saddened by
what has happened. As a pontifex I do not see anything that would be of a
concern. AS A PONTIFEX I make offerings to the Gods for the CITIZENS of Nova
Roma -- not the citizens of the United States. There are some citizens in
the gulf area, then I pray for them in my capacity as a priest of Nova Roma.
As a person, outside of my duties as a priest in Nova Roma, I have prayed
for the people afflicted by this most horrible tragedy. Hope what I am
explaining makes sense. I also hope it doesn't make me sound like a horrible
person. I am very compassionate about what has happened after the onslaught
of Katrina. I follow the disaster closely, and my heart goes out to the
people. But in my capacity as a priest of Nova Roma, I am concerned with
Nova Romans; their success, safety, and well being. But my official
offerings -- as a pontifex and flamen --- to the Gods are for citizens of
Nova Roma.
Valete;
C. Fabius Buteo Modianus

The individual that sent me the private e-mail, but asked that I respond on
the main list, raised the following questions, and concerns based upon the
above mentioned post. I appreciate this person's willingness to seek
clarification:


This is the part of your post I have most difficulty with. It reminds me
very much of the attitudes of the "religions of the book": Christianity,
Islam and Judaism. All of them have practiced an exclusionary outlook: our
way is the only way to be saved. Yet the Declaration of the RR states in
part (my emphases added):

"We affirm that the Roman Pagan Religion belongs to no one race or
nationality, but is instead a *common founding heritage of all Western
civilization.* It is further a universal spiritual current which throughout
the centuries has *influenced all peoples and nations of the world*, either
directly or by the legacy of its history, philosophies and practices.

We also affirm that the Roman Pagan Religion is compatible with, and may be
practiced alongside all other forms of religion and spiritual expression,
without diluting or diminishing its basic ideals and spiritual identity. In
the ancient world Roman religion was practiced alongside Celtic, German,
Greek, Egyptian, Persian, and Oriental faiths, to the enhancement of all. *This
syncretistic approach to other religions remains basic to the Roman Pagan
spiritual world view."*

Even the access page to the RR on the Main website carries the following
information (again, my added emphases):

". . . Roman religion is a unique product of the culture that created it. It
is a faith that demands steadfastness and devotion to duty. It involves
working in harmony with the eternal gods and with universal order, *for the
benefit not only of ourselves but also the world around us*; with right
action and attitudes towards the gods, both the State and the individual
will prosper. . . ."

I would assume that "the world around us" includes the victims of all
disasters--and my, has NR ML been mum on the disastrous earthquake in
Pakistan and environs. I would assume that "a syncretistic approach"
includes acknowledgement that some people choose to worship in a different
way.

What I see as a concern, is how this attitude would be perceived by "the
world around us" in your potential role as Consul, representing NR to that
world. In our interconnected world, I am concerned that washing NR's hands
(they would be NR's and not yours) of "anything that would be a concern"
could lead to even more people washing their hands of Nova Roma (q.v. the
latest census report by your adoptive father, C. Fabius Buteo
Quintillianus).

Interconnectivity is leading even some elements of the exclusionary
religions to become more involved in "the world around us", working not for
conversions to their faith, but simply - *for the benefit not only of
ourselves but also the world around us;* cf especially at this moment, the
Christian Peacemakers in Iraq, and Muslim support for their members now held
hostage. These are people of faiths that make no claim to be "syncretistic."

Your personal reaction is what I would anticipate from your previous
communications with me--humane and reflective.

The foregoing does not make you "sound like a horrible person": you have
delineated your personal attitudes carefully. But to my ears, it does make
Nova Roma sound like a pretty callous organization. I would very much like
to hear how you would publicly present Nova Roma's attitudes to world events
in your role as Consul. It would be helpful if such a reply were made on
the Main List, because I believe this issue is of import to all voters in
the upcoming election. You may quote any of this e-mail as you see fit.


This is my response:

As Flamen Pomonalis I make public offerings several times a year to honor
the Goddess Pomona, and in doing so I honor several other Gods and Goddesses
as well. Here is an excerpt of the ritual used in English:


"Goddess Pomona, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites."



The prayer is for the Deity to be propitious to me (the one making the
offering), the Senate of Nova Roma (as Polybius mentions, "�The 'people' are
dependant upon the Senate, and must aim to please it both in public and in
private."), and the people of Nova Roma (those who are citizens). This is
the customary ritual formula.



The state religion of Nova Roma and the Gods of the state religion are not
seen as omnipotent and omnipresent as is the God of Christianity, Islam, or
Judaism. John Scheid in his Introduction to Roman Religion states, "The
civic image of 'citizen gods' was confirmed by numerous rituals and rules,
and may be regarded as one of the major interpretations of traditional Roman
religion." The Gods of the state religion of Nova Roma are seen as a part
of the Roman community that we seek to build, and honoring them helps to
maintain the Pax Deorum.



Jo-Ann Shelton writes in her book, "As the Romans did, a Sourcebook in Roman
Social History," "The Roman gods did not demand constant professions of
faith, but they did require that humans respect their power and acknowledge
their participation in the universe. Acknowledgement of the gods formed the
ritual of Roman religion. Since the earliest rituals had been effective in
securing the cooperation of the deities � the success and prosperity
of Romeproved that divine forces were cooperative � Romans preserved
the rituals."



The state religion of Nova Roma is concerned with the Pax Deorum, or "peace
with the Gods." A sense of universalism, is in my opinion, more reminiscent
of Pax Romana, or "the Roman peace." Publius Vergilius Maro (Virgil) writes
in his Aeneid about the Roman ideal, "You, Roman, do not fail to govern all
people with your supreme authority. These will be your skills: to
establish law and order within a framework of peace, to be merciful to those
who submit, to crush in war those who are arrogant." To claim a sense of
pietas (duty and obligation) outside of the "Senate and People of Nova Roma"
is a danger that I would caution Nova Roma not to pursue. Nova Roma is not
concerned with governing all people with supreme authority.



The Nova Roma constitution states, "As the spiritual heir to the ancient
Roman Republic and Empire, Nova Roma shall endeavor to exist, in all manners
practical and acceptable, as the modern restoration of the ancient Roman
Republic. The culture, religion, and society of Nova Roma shall be patterned
upon those of ancient Rome." It is not practical to impose the obligation
of pietas (within the confines of Nova Roma) upon anyone outside of Nova
Roma.



The above explanation should address my point that the state religion of
Nova Roma is concerned with the Gods being propitious to the Senate and
People of Nova Roma, and not to citizens outside of Nova Roma. This, of
course, does NOT mean that the state religion wishes to prevent the Gods of
Rome to be propitious to all people. The state religion is only concerned
that the Gods are propitious to the Senate and People of Nova Roma, as
Cicero stated in, "The Nature of the Gods, "Jupiter is Best and Greatest not
because he makes us just or sober or wise, but because he makes us healthy
and right and prosperous."



The Constitution of Nova Roma states, "The priesthoods of the Gods of Rome
shall be organized as closely as practical on the ancient Roman model. The
institutions of the Religio Romana shall have authority over religious
matters on the level of the state and nation only, maintaining the religious
rites of the State and providing resources pertaining to the Religio Romana
which Citizens may make use of if they choose. Nova Roma shall approach all
other religions with a syncretistic outlook, offering friendship to all
paths which acknowledge the right of those who practice and honor the
Religio Romana to do so and respect the beliefs thereof." The state
religion of Nova Roma is concerned with "religious matters on the level of
the state and nation only," and not on matters that pertain to victims of
natural disaster, which would be outside of our jurisdiction.


This does not take away from the syncretistic nature of Roman Religion. There
are people in Nova Roma, like myself, who do not limit their spiritual
practices to the Religio only. There are citizens of Nova Roma who identify
with Buddhism, Gnosticism, Druidry, and other spiritual practices. They can
do this, and still help to maintain the Pax Deorum. The Gods of Rome (and
Nova Roma) are concerned with "being acknowledged and honored," and this
does not mean that one has to honor the Gods of (Nova) Roma exclusively. This
is the meaning of the syncretistic nature of Roman Religion. The priests
MUST make offerings according to tradition, and should NOT mix other
traditions with the Religio. But this does not mean that priests, or
citizen alike, has to limit their spiritual practice to only that of the
Religio.


The words I am stating here is MY official position as a Pontifex of Nova
Roma, this is not the Collegial opinion of the whole Collegium
Pontificum. However,
let me illustrate the difference between my personal perspective and my
practices as a Pontifex. To use an example: Lets say your home is financed
with a mortgage through Bank X, and lets say that natural disaster strikes
and your bank is unsympathetic and demands that you keep up your mortgage
payments current with no grace period (lets also assume there is a lot of
red tape with the insurance company). Going to Bank Y would not help you a
single bit, as Bank Y is concerned with their customers and is not concerned
with the business practices of Bank X. Your agreement is with Bank X, and
not with Bank Y, so it would not follow that Bank Y would be able to assist
you. However, that is not to say that the person at Bank Y is unsympathetic
to your plight. This example, I hope, illustrates the relationship between
the Gods of the Religio Romana of Nova Roma and the Senate and People of
Nova Roma, and the victims of world catastrophe. As a Pontifex within Nova
Roma I can, and am, very concerned and sympathetic to the plight of others
throughout the world. I have made offerings as a human being, and as a
member of the world community, on behalf of victims of several world
calamities. As I find out about them, I pray for their wellbeing. But
these offerings are not done under the guise of my being a priest in Nova
Roma.


I believe it is virtuous to want to help others in times of need. I have
donated to the American Red Cross, out of my own pocket to assist in the
Katrina Relief Fund. I am very sympathetic to the suffering of others, not
only in the United States but also in other countries regardless of their
nationality, race, or religious persuasion.


The Religio Romana is not a "ministerial" religion, were the priests of Nova
Roma "minister" to the people, and in the case of natural disaster it is not
appropriate for the state religion to feel compelled to "minister" to the
survivors and victims of said disaster. This is simply not the way of the
Religio Romana. However, it is meritorious and virtuous in my opinion for
citizens of Nova Roma to assist in the relief of survivors and victims of
natural disasters, war, and other calamities. It is simply the human thing
to do: to care about other people. This might be under the purview of the
various provincial governments of Nova Roma.


Let me attempt to clarify the phrase from "Roman Religion in Antiquity and
Today" on the Nova Roma website, "for the benefit not only of ourselves but
also the world around us�" This phrase is somewhat misleading. It would
insinuate that rites and rituals are done by the state Religio for the
benefit of the world. As I have illustrated above, at length, this is not
the case. What is implied by this statement, as far as my interpretation,
is that Roman Religion is an approach to spirituality that is beneficial to
everyone � a universal approach, outside of the official state function. The
approach of honoring the dead (ancestors), and of honoring the Lars and
Penates, and the Roman approach to religion are of benefit to the world. By
Nova Roma resurrecting the practices of honoring the Gods of Roma, and
therefore making an agreement with these Gods so that they may be the Gods
of Nova Roma we are benefiting the world. We are reconstructing something
that would otherwise have been lost to the world. Citizenship in Nova Roma
is open to anyone regardless of "�ethnic heritage, gender, religious
affiliation, or sexual orientation (from the Constitition)." We make it
fairly easy for people to join us in our endeavor to reconstruct Rome.


I am not sure if this is the answer that this individual wanted to see. But
it is an honest answer, and one that I believe in. As a conclusion, to this
I would like to add that I am � and have always been � very sympathetic to
the suffering of others. I am empathic enough to understand the pain others
feel who are in situations of extreme distress. However difficult
situations in the world may become, the focus of Nova Roma needs to be on
the restoration and reconstruction of Roma in a modern context in conformity
with our laws, and traditions � always keeping an eye on tradition, but not
loosing sight of our current situation and sentimentalities. This being
said, Nova Roma cannot provide charity to the world (as the Senate realized
in a resent Senatus Consultum on the subject), and we have to be mindful of
our relationship with the Gods. The Gods of Roma, and of Nova Roma, were
and are "citizen Gods," and it would be a dishonor to them if we expanded
their jurisdiction to not only be propitious to us, but also to those who
choose not to acknowledge them. This, I believe, would have an impact on
the Pax Deorum.


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Salve,

It is not my intention to "slam" anyone. If you do not know who
Flavius Vedius Germanicus is, you should be glad of the information.

Falvius Vedius and Marcus Cassius started Nova Roma together.
Flavius Vedius served as Consul, Senator, and Dictator. He
spearheaded many of our laws and wrote the Constitution. To talk
about an interview with the founders as one of Marcus Cassius and
Patricia Cassia is simply wrong, and unfairly leaves out the person
who was really THE major contributor.

I applaud your energy in arranging this. However, I suggest you
read the "Annals of Nova Roma" on the website. It will give you
some background into about the founding of NR, Flavius Vedius, and
some background info. you can use in your inetrview.

You should be able to contact Flavius vedius through his albim
webpage here:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=27

Best of luck on your project.

Vale,

Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sensei Phil Perez"
<senseiphil@n...> wrote:

>
> Salve Laene,
>
> It's hard to believe someone would have a problem with even this

simple announcement. Critics abound for every little thing. Is it
any wonder people leave our community in droves. Since I have no
idea who Flavius Vedius is or where he may reside, why don't you
interview him and then we'll have a complete interview. Just in two
parts, mine and yours. If you are unwilling to do this, why bring it
up? Just to slam someone who is trying hard to contribute something
positive to our community? This is what the ML is famous for, isn't
it? I do thank you for that information though, up to now from every
source I have seen, Patricia has always been mentioned and included
as a co-founder. I guess now I'll have 21 questions to ask ;-)

>
> Vires et honos,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:33 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Founder's Interview, etc.
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> Let me provide some information for this process. The founders

of Nova

> Roma are Flavius Vedius Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Julianus.
> Patrica Cassia, although a great contributor from the early

days, has

> never been considered a founder.
>
> An interview that did not include Flavius Vedius would be

incomplete

> and somewhat of a slight.
>
> Valete,
>
> G. Popillius Laenas
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Salve Philippe.

Although Laenas didn't answer your post specifically as Consul,
being both his friend and his Accensus and knowing that he is very
busy at the moment, I will take the liberty of answering for him (as
his friend).

Firstly in our Annals
(http://novaroma.org/annales/2751/resignat.htm) the entry for 18th
September 1998 ends thus:

"Although the nation would continue to regret the sudden loss of its
co-founder, Flavius Vedius Germanicus, it was now clear that Nova
Roma had weathered its first crisis intact. The Republic would live
on."

Vedius can no doubt be contacted via the web mail feature accessed
via his entry at:

http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=27

I think Laenas was trying to ensure that you were made aware of
Vedius and no doubt to head off, through a public post rather than
private email, the very possible negative reaction to this omission.
I feel certain that Laenas was attempting to ensure that no one felt
slighted. It wasn't a slam and neither was he implying even a huge
possible slight, just "somewhat of a slight".

Vale
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sensei Phil Perez"
<senseiphil@n...> wrote:

>
> Salve Laene,
>

Avete Omnes,

I have a printout of the entire Nova Roma website date stamped 07/26/98 16:04:45

One of the sections in the Camenaeum is a Timeline of Roman History.

The last entry is:

"2751 AUC 1998 CE Nova Roma is founded by Flavius Vedius
Germanicus (Germanicus) and Marcus Cassius Julianus (Cassius).
Republican form of government is restored. Restoration of the public
rites of the Religio Romana begins."

At that time the contact postal address was in Morrristown, NJ.
Northern New Jersey being where Germanicus lives.

Marcus Cassius and Flavius Vedius were our first Consuls.

As such they co-signed the "Declaratio Nova Roma," dated "II Kal Mar.,
MMDCCLI ab urbe condita (February 28th 1998)"

Patricia Cassia is listed amongst the Magistrates of the time as a
Quaestor, appointed by Senatus Consulta on 6/30/98.

The Senate of the time consisted of the two Consuls, plus Decius
Iunius Palladius and Quintus Caccilius Metellus.

Germanicus was our webmaster and newsletter publisher at the time, also.

Germanicus also has preserved the original Nova Roma Yahoo group,
which one can join to mine the archive, but no new posts are allowed
save by the list owner.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
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--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,

Because of a number of factors, the main one being the resignation
of our Magister Aranearius (webmaster) in August, the call for
voting on two proposals has been delayed. It will now occur in
conjunction with the upcoming annual elections.

The first proposal that will be presented is the Lex Popillia
Senatoria, which has already been through contio and debate.

There is one other item that I have promised action on, and that is
clarification on resignations of magistrates.

This issue arose early this year. I asked for the input of the
Senate, my staff, and my colleague. Basically there are two ways to
approach it: a grace period allowing for reconsideration after a
magistrate announces a resignation, or resignation effectively
immediately.

The majority of the Senate appears to favor effective immediately.
My colleague, Consul Caesar, favors a grace period because he feels
an immediately effective resignation is harsh and may cause us to
lose good magistrates who just experience a period of frustration.

I have decided to present to you for comment, a lex that proposes
immediately effective resignations of magistrates. The lex also
provides, although perhaps superfluously, that a resigning
magistrate who changes his or her mind is free to stand in the
election for a replacement and let the people decide.

This seems to me the best course of action.

I feel Consul Caesar and I have worked very well together this year
and I am pleased to call him a friend. I mean no disrespect to him
in presenting this; it is just that we disagree.

The proposed text follows:



Lex Popillia de Magistratu Eiurando

>
> I. A magistrate who resigns his magistracy shall
> immediately and irrevocably cease to hold that
> magistracy.
>
> II. A magistrate who announces his resignation of
> citizenship shall immediately and irrevocably cease
> to hold any and all his magistracies.
>
> III. A magistrate who resigns his magistracy and
> later changes his or her mind, may stand as a candidate
> in the election to fill the vacancy without penalty.

Salvete omnes,

Thank you Caesar for you post. Re-reading my original post, it does
seem a little harsh. I was feeling protective of Vedius' and his
role, and I could have worded things better or sent a private e-mail.

For that, I apologize to Marcus Cassius.

And you are correct, none of my posts on this issue are to be
considered as from a Consul - just from a cive.

Valete,

Laenas



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
<gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:

>
> Salve Philippe.
>
> Although Laenas didn't answer your post specifically as Consul,
> being both his friend and his Accensus and knowing that he is very
> busy at the moment, I will take the liberty of answering for him

(as

> his friend).
>
> Firstly in our Annals
> (http://novaroma.org/annales/2751/resignat.htm) the entry for 18th
> September 1998 ends thus:
>
> "Although the nation would continue to regret the sudden loss of

its

> co-founder, Flavius Vedius Germanicus, it was now clear that Nova
> Roma had weathered its first crisis intact. The Republic would

live

> on."
>
> Vedius can no doubt be contacted via the web mail feature accessed
> via his entry at:
>
> http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=27
>
> I think Laenas was trying to ensure that you were made aware of
> Vedius and no doubt to head off, through a public post rather than
> private email, the very possible negative reaction to this

omission.

> I feel certain that Laenas was attempting to ensure that no one

felt

> slighted. It wasn't a slam and neither was he implying even a huge
> possible slight, just "somewhat of a slight".
>
> Vale
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sensei Phil Perez"
> <senseiphil@n...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Laene,
> >
>

Salve G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana!

Thank You for your kind words!

If You want another look into the work of a Censor and his staff You
may look at my old report for last year at:

http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm

That was a year of reforms of the Censorial routines and new edicta
were issued building a new legal ground for Nova Roma and new
citizens. A new Lex. "LEX DE NOMINIBUS APPROBATIONIBUSQUE" will soon
be presented to the Populus to vote for. That way all that work will
be part of our legislation.

My present Colleague Gnaeus Marinus has continued my work since this
summer, he also got the "Lex Equitia de Familia" through the Comitia
during his Consulship to form the bases for the family legislation.
The work of the Censores during the last two years have been very
important to build a better Res Publica. At least that is my opinion.
;-)

Now the important question is, who is going to succeed me as the
colleague to Gnaeus Marinus during the next year? I know who to vote
for and I will tell the whole Res Publica as soon as I know what
candidates we have. As already has been explained to You, You will
not be forced to vote for the candidate that Caius Minucius Scaevola
mentioned.

>G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Quiritibus SPD.
>
>In the (almost) year that I have been around Nova Roma, and
>in the seven months that I have been a civis, the entire
>census process, and especially the very detailed report by
>C. Fabius Buteo Quintillianus, are the most impressive
>pieces of work that I have seen come through the Main List.
>
>To Censor Fabius and his team, who have invested hundreds
>of hours in making this census possible, magnas gratias ago.
>Each of you sets a fine example for anyone coming into NR.
>
>As others have said, we have at last a clear picture of the
>populus which is the foundation NR's future. To choose the
>architects, every single assidui needs to vote.
>
>Valete bene in pace Deorum
>
>G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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