Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Jan 1-5, 2006

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41148 From: Maior Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41149 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: oath of office: aedilis plebis Marca Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41150 From: Timothy P. Gallagher Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41151 From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: oath of office: aedilis plebis Marca Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41152 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41153 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41154 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results for Comitia Populi Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41155 From: Dazz8 Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Ultralingua Latin-English Dictionary
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41156 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41157 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - C. Equitius Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41158 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office of as Praetor - Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41159 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the newly elected!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41160 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Comitia Populi Centuriata - Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41161 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the newly elected!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41162 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Good Luck to the winners!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41163 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Congratulations to Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus, Senior Prae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41164 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Good Luck to the winners!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41165 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Oath of Office -- Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41166 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Congratulations and something more
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41167 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41168 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Jus jurandum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41169 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41170 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Good Luck to the winners!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41171 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Tribune's Handbook is online again
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41172 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Congratulations Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Censor!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41173 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Good Luck to the winners!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41174 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: oath of office: aedilis plebis Marca Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41175 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Thanks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41176 From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41177 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Congratulations, thanks, and a small correction
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41178 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Tribune's Handbook is online again
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41179 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Consular Sacrifice Ceremony
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41180 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Congratulations and Thank you!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41181 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Consular Sacrifice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41182 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Cn. Iulius Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41183 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the newly elected!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41184 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Diribitor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41185 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM A GNAEO EQVITIO MARINO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41186 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: A big Thanks to my Cohors Censoris CFBQ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41187 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: My Congratulations!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41188 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41189 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Ius Iurandum (Oath of Office)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41190 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Dismissal of my Scribae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41191 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: [Cohors_Censoris_CFBQ] Re: [Nova-Roma] A big Thanks to my Cohors Ce
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41192 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: [Cohors_Censoris_CFBQ] Re: [Nova-Roma] A big Thanks to my Cohor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41193 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: ONE MORE MISTAKE: [Nova-Roma] Dismissal of my Scribae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41194 From: Alecto Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41195 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath Of Office (Diribitor)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41196 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Ius Iurandum (Oath of Office) Julilla Sempronia Magna, Aedilis Ple
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41197 From: Dazz8 Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Ultralingua Latin-English Dictionary
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41198 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the newly elected!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41199 From: Marcus Iulius Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of office of M Iul Perusianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41200 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Marcus Cassius Philippus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41201 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results for Comitia Populi Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41202 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Gratias et gratulationes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41203 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41204 From: Micah DarkFyre Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: A Blessed and safe New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41205 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Fasti Ianuarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41206 From: Titus Marcius Felix Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office of Titus Marcius Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41207 From: S Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of office, and congratulations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41208 From: G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Kalends Ian.: M. Aurelius on Peace
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41209 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: post. Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41210 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Congratulations to the new Pretors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41211 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Errata: Congratulations to the new Pretors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41212 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Congratulations to the new consules!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41213 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office of Caius Arminius Reccanellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41214 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the new Pretors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41215 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: EDICTVM AEDILEM CURULEM C. EQVITIVS CATO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41216 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41217 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41218 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41219 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Sacrifice Ceremony
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41220 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Sacrifice Ceremony
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41221 From: Tim Gallagher Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Errata: Congratulations to the new Pretors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41222 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Sacrifice Ceremony
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41223 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41224 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41225 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Sacrifice Ceremony
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41227 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41228 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41229 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Passing of Imperium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41230 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Quaestor Assigments
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41231 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Passing of Imperium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41232 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Passing of Imperium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41233 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Passing of Imperium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41234 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: GRATIAS ET GRATULATIONES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41235 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Passing of Imperium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41236 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: GRATIAS TIBI, MODIANVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41237 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41238 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41239 From: Tim Gallagher Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: OFF TOPIC The roof of an ice rink with about 50 people in
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41240 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: EDICTVM AEDILEM CURULEM C. EQVITIVS CATO (redux)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41241 From: Timothy P. Gallagher Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Praetorian Edict I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41242 From: marcushoratius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Fwd: Ius iurandum, Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41243 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Many Congratulations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41244 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41245 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41246 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath Of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41247 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41248 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: AQUILA SUBMITTALS, ETC.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41249 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41250 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41251 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Congratulations to the new magistrates and senators
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41252 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41253 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41254 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: IVS IVRANDVM (OATH OF OFFICE) - M. IVL. SEVERVS, ROGATOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41255 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Quaestor Assignments
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41256 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41257 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath of Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41258 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41259 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office of QUAESTOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41260 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41261 From: Avv. Claudio Guzzo Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: fasti
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41262 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: fasti
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41263 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41264 From: Rob Sullivan Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office - Titus Licinius Crassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41265 From: os390account Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Thanks & Oath!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41266 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41267 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41268 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: On the Naming of Scribae: Aedilis Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41269 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: fasti
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41270 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Management of mailing lists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41271 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: The Republic and the Law
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41272 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Management of mailing lists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41273 From: Maior Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Management of mailing lists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41274 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41275 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Management of mailing lists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41276 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Management of mailing lists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41277 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Management of mailing lists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41278 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Oath of Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41279 From: Lucius Modius Kaelus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41280 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: EDICTVM•PROPRÆTORICIVM•XXVII (A C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS IX)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41281 From: marciusfelix Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Oath of Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41282 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2286
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41283 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: a.d. III Non. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41284 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Prayer for The New Year of Nova Roma on Kal. Ian. 2759 AUC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41285 From: Titus Sergius Rufinus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41286 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41287 From: Richard Sciarappa Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41288 From: Rob Sullivan Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Ammended Oath of Office - Titus Licinius Crassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41289 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41290 From: P. Minucia Tiberia Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Consular Edictum : Appointment of Custodian and Quaestor of Magna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41291 From: Maior Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41292 From: Marcus Horatius Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Appointment of Viator in Italia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41293 From: Claudio Guzzo Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: fasti (Calendario)- heavy constitution?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41294 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Consular Date of This Year - A Little Latin Help
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41295 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Consular Date of This Year - A Little Latin Help
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41296 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Edictum Concerning the Nova Roma Senate List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41297 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Consular Date of This Year - A Little Latin Help
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41298 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Edictum Concerning the Nova Roma Senate List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41299 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41300 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Edictum Concerning the Nova Roma Senate List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41301 From: cassius622@aol.com Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Lex Curiata de Imperio AUC 2759
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41302 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Edictum Concerning the Nova Roma Senate List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41303 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Lex Curiata de Imperio AUC 2759
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41304 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Lex Curiata de Imperio AUC 2759
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41305 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Lex Curiata de Imperio AUC 2759
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41306 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41307 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Edictum Concerning the Nova Roma Senate List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41308 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Fasti Ianuarii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41309 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Edictum - Appointment of Accensi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41310 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: Consular Date of This Year - A Little Latin Help
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41311 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41312 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: fasti
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41313 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: fasti
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41314 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: prid. Non.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41315 From: CN•EQVIT•MARINVS (Gnaeus Equitius Mari Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Edictum Censorium concerning the continuation of previous censorial
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41316 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41317 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41318 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: Congratulations and something more
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41319 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41320 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: Consular Edictum : Appointment of Custodian and Quaestor of Ma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41321 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Ius Iurandum - Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41322 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-05
Subject: Non. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41323 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-05
Subject: EDICTVM CONSVLARE DE CREATIONE ACCENSORVM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41324 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Date: 2006-01-05
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBAE



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41148 From: Maior Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
M. Hortensia Fusco sd;
My family is Jewish, we celebrate the Jewish new year in
October/September. I have never celebrated January 1, in my entire
life. As always your tact and sensitivity are exquisite.
Maior


I
> was out for new years's eve... if you do not have a life, it's not
my fault.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41149 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: oath of office: aedilis plebis Marca Hortensia Maior
Q. Metellus Domitio Fusco sal.

> Not to mention, apparently it was elected someone who didn't regularly
> submitted her candidature and therefore shouldn't had been on the ballots in
> the first place.

I have no intention to argue here, but merely to point out one thing.
As was shown in the publication of the results, Marca Hortensia Maior
was a write-in candidate. Her name only appeared on the ballots of
those citizens who chose her especially, and decided her so worthy of
the office as to write her name into their ballots.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41150 From: Timothy P. Gallagher Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
Salve Custos Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,

As the only elected official who is a member of the Plebian order
and in office at the time of your posting I wanted to acknowledge it
and to accept it on behalf of the Plebian citizens of Nova Roma.

I also wanted to THANK YOU and all those who helped count the
ballots.

It was a task worthy of Hercules.

While the elections can be call "irregular" at best it was not the
Custoes and Diribitors who failed to do their job, that failure
lies elsewhere. The Romans were a practical people and as in the
first election for Tribunes the Plebeians of Nova Roma have held an
election under their own authority after a legal call was pronounced
by a Tribune of the Plebs. Not with standing the absence of the
Tribunes during the elections the Plebeians of Nova Roma have
elected a new group of Plebian officials for the new year and I for
one am pleased.

I acknowledge and congratulate our new Plebian officials

Plebeian Aediles Julilla Sempronia Magna and Marca Hortensia Maior

Tribunus Plebis: M. Arminius Maior , M. Moravius Piscinus
Horatianus , Cn. Salvius Astur Q. Suetonius Paulinus and C.
Vipsanius Agrippa

May you all serve Nova Roma in all that you do.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Praetor et Senator
Nova Roma
1 January 2759 Time in Rome 11:01 am


















--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
<bcatfd@t...> wrote:
>
> Salvete cives,
>
> The following are the results of the Comitia Plebis Tributa
>
> Plebeian Aedile:
>
> Julilla Sempronia Magna wins with 32 tribes and is elected
>
> Marca Hortensia Maior (write-in) wins 19 tribes and is elected:
>
> Tribunus Plebis:
>
> M. Arminius Maior wins 31 tribes
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus wins 31 tribes and is elected
>
> Cn. Salvius Astur wins 31 tribes and is elected
>
> Q. Suetonius Paulinus wins 29 tribes and is elected
>
> C. Vipsanius Agrippa wins 27 tribes and is elected
>
> There were three void Tribes in which no one voted.
>
> Valete,
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
> Custos 2005
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41151 From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: oath of office: aedilis plebis Marca Hortensia Maior
Salve metellus

On 1/1/06, Q. Caecilius Metellus <metellus@...> wrote:
> I have no intention to argue here, but merely to point out one thing.
> As was shown in the publication of the results, Marca Hortensia Maior
> was a write-in candidate. Her name only appeared on the ballots of
> those citizens who chose her especially, and decided her so worthy of
> the office as to write her name into their ballots.

Yes, you have a point there. Which goes to demonstrate that one should
not write at 6 am after a whole night of party.

I'd like to correct you tho: it would be more clse to reality to say
"those citizens who happened to notice that the a cista for the
comitia Plebis tributa had been opened without that tribunus had
calld for that".

If we report this electiosn to Roma time, it's like if "the voice of
the people", to which everyone seem to like to refer to, was indeed
the sparse plebeians who happened to be in Rome rather than in their
fields (where the uber majority of them would had been normally) when
someone left a cista in the forum and said "oh, cool, a cista, let's
write something into it".

Than, I'm, to say the least, surprised by a magistrate that "accepts"
the results of such an election in the name of the whole plebs. If
nothing else, there should be a plebiscite properly called to "accept"
the results with a general, simple "yes or no" vote.

But one way or the other, as apparently everything seem to have been
already decided, I'll close this mater here.

As we say here, there is only a sure result of eating a rotten apple,
and that is easy to guess. And this elections were definitely a rotten
apple which, apparently, someone decided to swallow without even
trying to cut off the worse parts.

valete

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus

Founder of Gens Constantinia
Aedilis Urbis Iterum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41152 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Salvete Censores,

Regarding propraetors made into Senators:

> Each has, in addition to fulfilling the legal
> requirements making them
> qualified for adlection into the Senate,
> demonstrated exceptional
> dedication to Nova Roma.

Since according to the Census, each of their Provinces
had large drops in citizenship, I would like to see
what these Propraetors have done in order to merit
being made a Senator. One of them was a Tribune of
2005 and a few of us didn't even realize it.... In my
province, there is simply nothing going on and there
never was.

From what I've seen and listening to the complaints
over the years that many citizens say that there is
nothing going on in their Province, I think that many
Propraetors do NOTHING. No activities, no promotion of
NR, etc.

Is the only requirement for a Propraetor being made
Senator 'dedication' which is solely based on the
descretion of the Censores?

I think that we now have 36 Senatores. If we have 662
citizens that answered the census, then that is one
Senator for every 18,4 citizens. Isn't that a bit top
heavy?

Valete,
Diana Octavia



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41153 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Happy New Year
Salvete,

I wish you all a very happy new year. Let's hope it will bring us much love, happiness
and success.

I have not been around for the last two weeks. I am deeply sorry to have not talked
sooner. Some recent events in my family have kept myself away from the reality of life.
Things will get better now.

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41154 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results for Comitia Populi Tributa
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Congratulations to our new Curule Aediles: C. Equitius Cato and T.
Iulius Sabinus.

Congratulations to our new Quaestors: A. Apollonius Cordus, C.
Arminius Reccanellus, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Q. Fabius Allectus, T.
Flavius Vespasianus, Cn. Iulius Caesar, M. Iulius Caesar, M. Iulius
Perusianus, and T. Marcius Felix.

Congratulations to our new Custodes: Emilia Curia Finnica, and T.
Licinius Crassus.

Congratulations to our new Diribitores: Fr. Apulus Caesar, L.
Rutilius Minervalis, Q. Servilius Priscus, and Stephanus Ullerius
Venator Piperbarbus.

Congratulations to our new Editor Commentariorum: M. Cassius Phillippus.

Congratulations to our new Magister Aranearius: Q. Valerius Callidus.

Congratulations to our new Rogatores: A. Tullia Scholastica, and M.
Iulius Severus.

May the favor of the Gods be upon all of you.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41156 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
C. Equitius Cato D. Iunio Palladio Invicto quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Iunius Palladius, you wrote:

"The Comitia Plebis Tributa was never called by a tribune, there was
no presiding magistrate for this election. There was a call for
candidates but the comitia was never called to hold an election."

This is not quite accurate. On 22 December at 3.34PM, Memmius
Albucius, acting as tribune of the Plebs, called the CPT to vote. This call
was ignored --- but it was never retracted by Albucius nor was it ever
vetoed in accordance with Nova Roman law. What the Plebs do with
this (if anything) is entirely up to them.

Vale et valete,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41157 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - C. Equitius Cato
I, Gaius Equitius Cato (Michael L. Cerrato) do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always
in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, C. Equitius Cato, swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and
to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, C. Equitius Cato, swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, C. Equitius Cato, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova
Roma.

I, C. Equitius Cato, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Curule Aedile and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41158 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office of as Praetor - Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
Oath of Office of Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.

I, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus (Kristoffer From), do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
(Kristoffer From), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my
public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus (Kristoffer From), swear to uphold
and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State
Religion.

I, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus (Kristoffer From), swear to protect
and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus (Kristoffer From), further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor to
the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Praetor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41159 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the newly elected!
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus wrote:
> Please join me in congratulating our new
>
> Praetors: Ti. Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus

Salve, Gnaee Equiti Marine.

Thank you kindly, and have a Happy New Year.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41160 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Comitia Populi Centuriata - Results
FAC wrote:
> the Diribitores and Custodes accomplished the counting of the votes,
> the following are the results:
> [...]
> [C. Fabius] Buteo [Modianus] meets the requirement,
> with a total of 24 centuries, and is elected.
> [...]
> Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo
> is elected with 39 centuries.

Vivat Buteo Modianus! Vivat Strabo! May your year be a harmonious one!

FAC wrote:
> [C. Minucius Hadrianus] Felix meets this requirement
> with 38 centuries, and is elected.

Congratulations, Caius Hadrianus Felix. I wish you the best of luck for
the next two years.

FAC wrote:
> Ti. Galerius carries now 38 centuries, with
> there being now a total of 38 voting
> centuries. Ti. Galerius is elected.

Congratulations, colleague! Let's work together for a better Rome!

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41161 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the newly elected!
Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) wrote:
> I certainly will! Congratulations to [...] Praetor
> T. Octavius Pius [...]. Also a special thanks for
> choosing to take on the responsibilities and serve
> Nova Roma and her citizens over the next year!

Salve, Quinte Suetoni Pauline.

Thank you! I will serve the res publica to the best of my abilities,
rest assured!

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41162 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Good Luck to the winners!
Salvete all,

The best of luck to all of the winners of this year's
election!

An extra good luck wish to Consul Pompeia, who has
made Roman history by being the first female Consul.
You did what I couldn't so thanks for paving the way
for all of us gals in the Forum!

Valete,
Diana





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41163 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Congratulations to Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus, Senior Prae
Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus wrote:
> It is my pleasure to Congratulate You to the
> position as Senior Praetor!! I wish You all
> the best as Praetor and a Happy New Year!

Salve, Caeso Fabi Buteo Quintiliane Censorius.

Thank you, and a Happy New Year to you as well! Congratulations on
finishing your term as Censor!

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41164 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Good Luck to the winners!
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Dianae Octaviae Aventinae salutem dicit

I am very glad you have brought this up. As a man who believes in
gender equality I am extremely pleased to be able to serve alongside
the first woman Consul within Nova Roma. I believe Pompeia
Minucia-Tiberia Strabo will be an excellent Consul, and I believe her
perspective and experience will be valuable to Nova Roma.

There have been many good women who have done work behind the scenes
in Nova Roma, and it is good to see a woman as Consul. I encourage
more women to strive forward to hold office, both on the state level
but also on the provincial level. I would also encourage you, Diana
Octavia, to become more active. I too lost an election for Consul,
but I ran again, and served as an accensus to one of the Consuls I
lost to.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 1/1/06, Diana Octavia Aventina <dianaaventina@...> wrote:
> Salvete all,
>
> The best of luck to all of the winners of this year's
> election!
>
> An extra good luck wish to Consul Pompeia, who has
> made Roman history by being the first female Consul.
> You did what I couldn't so thanks for paving the way
> for all of us gals in the Forum!
>
> Valete,
> Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41165 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Oath of Office -- Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Salve, Amice!



Congratulations. It does my heart good to see that you are still the fine,
upstanding Roman that I know you to be. May you serve Nova Roma for many
years to come!



Congrats also to the other recently elected officials. Your dedication
shines like a beacon in the night. Thank you for your service, all of you!



Carpe Diem!



Gaia Galeria Aquila



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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Kling
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:18 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Oath of Office -- Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus



I, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus (David Oliver Kling, Jr.), do solemnly
swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the best
interests of the people and senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus (David
Oliver Kling, Jr.), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in
my public dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus (David Oliver Kling, Jr.), swear to
uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova
Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as
the State Religion.

I, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus (David Oliver Kling, Jr.), swear to
protect and defend the constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus (David Oliver Kling, Jr.), further
swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Consul to the best of my abilities.

On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges,
obligations and responsibilities attendant her to.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41166 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Congratulations and something more
AVETE CIVES ROMANI!

As former Aedilis Curulis, I wish a happy new working year to all
the elected magistrates (I'm glad to see how almost all my
preferences were elected!).

And I'm happy to see how all my strict collaborators to the Magna
Mater Project were elected: my Cohors gave Nova Roma a Consul
(Pompeia), a new Aedilis Curulis (Sabinus), a new Quaestor
(Lentulus), a dibritor (Minervalis). Not so bad indeed!

I wish a particular happy new year to the new elected Aediles
Curules, Gn Eq Cato and T Iul Sabinus, specially to the last one:
he's a friend, a great man and worked so hard in my Cohors Sullana
last year; I'd like he to continue this work being charged of the
Magna Mater Project. That's my hope.

VALETE OPTIME
L IUL SULLA
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41167 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Kalendis Ianuariis; haec dies fastus est.

"See how Janus appears first in my song
To announce a happy year for you, Germanicus.
Two-headed Janus, source of the silently gliding year,
The only god who is able to see behind him,
Be favourable to the leaders, whose labours win
Peace for the fertile earth, peace for the seas:
Be favourable to the senate and Roman people,
And with a nod unbar the shining temples.
A prosperous day dawns: favour our thoughts and speech!
Let auspicious words be said on this auspicious day.
Let our ears be free of lawsuits then, and banish
Mad disputes now: you, malicious tongues, cease wagging!
See how the air shines with fragrant fire,
And Cilician grains crackle on lit hearths!
The flame beats brightly on the temple's gold,
And spreads a flickering light on the shrine's roof.
Spotless garments make their way to Tarpeian Heights,
And the crowd wear the colours of the festival:
Now the new rods and axes lead, new purple glows,
And the distinctive ivory chair feels fresh weight." - Ovid, Fast
1 "Kalends"

"And after he had built the Temple of Vesta he built the Temple of
Ianus. As the God Ianus has two faces so this temple has two gates:
they stand open in time of war and are closed in time of peace. Very
seldom in later times were the gates of the Temple of Ianus shut, but in
Numa's time the gates were never seen open--no, not for a single day:
for the space of over two score years the gates were unopened." -
Padraig Colum, Orpheus: Myths of the Underworld (1937), "Numa the
Law-Giver"


The Kalends of January are sacred (as is in fact the entire month) to the
dual-faced god Ianus; Ianus is the god of comings and goings, of
looking to the past and anticipating the future. The god Janus has a
distinctive appearance in art, as he is often depicted with two faces,
called "Ianus Bifrons". Some sources claim that the reason Janus was
represented in this peculiar fashion was due to the notion that doors
and gates look in two directions. In this way, one of the god's faces
could look forward, while the other looked backward.

The origins of this God vary somewhat, dependent upon the source.
One legend states that Ianus was a mortal who came from Thessaly
and was welcomed into Latium by Camese. The couple are said to have
married, shared the kingdom and had many children together, including
Tiberinus, the Tiber River-God. Upon the death of Camese, Janus
became the sole ruler and granted Saturn sanctuary when that ancient
God was fleeing from Iuppiter. As the first King of Latium, Janus
ensured a time of peace, honesty and abundance for his people...an era
known as the Golden Age. He introduced money, cultivation of the fields
and laws. He is also said to have later married a nymph named Iuturna,
whose spring and shrine were located closed to his temple in the Forum
of Rome. One of their children was Fons (also known as Fontus), God of
Springs. It was only after his death that Janus was deified and became
the Protector of the City.

Ianus was well-respected and highly-regarded as a god by the ancient
Romans and his dual-faced image could be found on most city gates
and many Roman coins. Given his role as Guardian of Gates, his position
as the god of Beginnings and the esteem of having the first month of the
year named in his honor, it is apparent that Janus played a significant
role in Roman myth and religion. He was invoked at the start of each
new day and often referred to as the Porter of Heaven. He particularly
presided over all that is double-edged in life and represented the
transition between the primitive and civilization.


Valete bene and Happy New Year!

Cato




SOURCES

Ianus (http://www.novareinna.com/festive/janus.html) and
(http://www.liminalityland.com/janus.htm) and
(http://www.angelfire.com/journal/saadaya/Ianus.html)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41168 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Jus jurandum
A. Apollonius omnibus sal.

Ego, A. Apollonius Davidi f. Maglocuni n. Pap. Cordus,
hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper
pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse
sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, A. Apollonius, quaesturam Novae Romae accepto,
deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae
temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica
privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, A. Apollonius, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et
eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum
me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, A. Apollonius, officiis muneris quaestoriis me
quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque
populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus
quaestoriam una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et
officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
--

--
I, A. Apollonius Davidi f. Maglocuni n. Pap. Cordus,
do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova
Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, A. Apollonius, swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public
and private life.

I, A. Apollonius, swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its
status as the State Religion.

I, A. Apollonius, swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, A. Apollonius, further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of
quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the
presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people
and by their will and favor, do I accept the position
of quaestor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41169 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
Salve Domiti Constantine,

> Personally, as a now former tribune, I do not consider those results
> valid, as coming from elections severely marred by irregularity and by
> a valid call for new elections simply ignored.

What do you imagine the situation would be if that call for elections had
not been ignored?

You saw how much difficulty the Diribitores and Custodes had with counting
the votes and producing results - if they had had to start over on 30 December
how could they have possibly have finished?

Somewhere there's a parallel universe where the election had been
restarted in the last week of December as demanded by a Tribune.
There, it's January first, and there are no tribunes; the Diribitores
left office without counting even a tenth of the Com. Plebis votes.
Even if the new Diribitores and Custodes were willing to pick up on
their predecessors' work, it'll likely take them twice as long to do
it, having less experience, and we might go for two weeks without
Tribunes, as the people grumble "what is so difficult about an election
where the candidates were all unopposed?"

How is this better than what we have in the real world?

The Tribunes failed in their most important duty, to ensure their
successors are elected. Only one tribune, Marca Hortensia, tried
to do the right thing; the others insisted that somebody else do an
extra twenty hours of work in order that the Tribunes' failure be
swept under the rug.

The Custodes and Diribitores - picked up the slack, and worked hard to
ensure that we would have the Tribunes the people chose. When the old
tribunes evaporated at midnight, the persons chosen by the people
filled the void, and have been accepted by acclamation.

The lessons to be taken from this: start the election earlier, such as
early November; check your colleagues' work for omissions; and communicate
with the junior magistrates rather than simply barking orders at them.

Vale, Octavius.

--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41170 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Good Luck to the winners!
Salve Consul Modianus!

<I would also encourage you, Diana Octavia, to become
more
< active.
That sweet of you to say.

< I too lost an election for Consul, but I ran again,
and served
> as an accensus to one of the Consuls I lost to.

Honestly, my losing has nothing to do with the fact
that I am not too active. The truth is that I am
afraid of getting burnt out
again. I was so burnt out last year, that I totally
forgot that I ran for Praetor in Nov 2004. I noticed a
few weeks ago when I checked my century points....

At the end of 2004, I ended up resigning all of my
positions everywhere. Now that I've had a year's
hiatus, I'm back to making the magazine for PF
International called Pagan World and the local PFI
Belgium newsletter in Dutch. I don't really want to
take on too much more. However, I would be interested
in assisting the Praetores (hint hint :-) because I am
my work at IBM requires me to be online all day and so
I have constant access to the internet.

Vale and the best of muck to you in 2006!
Diana Octavia





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41171 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Tribune's Handbook is online again
Salvete new Tribunes!

First of all, congratulations and the best of luck to
you in 2006!

Secondly, I realize that 3 of you have been Tribunes
already and most likely do not need a handbook (and 2
of you helped me when I was a new Tribune), but since
I made the handbook, I thought that I'd put it online
again.

The link is
http://users.telenet.be/DOA/TribuneHandbook.htm

I updated it today and have made every effort to see
that it is correct. If anyone finds an error, please
let me know and I will fix it immediately!

Valete,
Diana Octavia





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41172 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Congratulations Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Censor!
Salve Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Censor!

Congratulations Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Censor to your new and
important office!

I will contact You privately soon to see if I can of assistance
during your first period.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Censorius, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41173 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Good Luck to the winners!
Salve:

It is good to see you back involved with the Pagan Federation. I have
heard good things about them, and its good to hear you are involved
with them again.

"Vale and the best of muck to you in 2006!" I've had my share of muck
in the past... but I can use all the luck I can get :)

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul

On 1/1/06, Diana Octavia Aventina <dianaaventina@...> wrote:
> Salve Consul Modianus!
>
> <I would also encourage you, Diana Octavia, to become
> more
> < active.
> That sweet of you to say.
>
> < I too lost an election for Consul, but I ran again,
> and served
> > as an accensus to one of the Consuls I lost to.
>
> Honestly, my losing has nothing to do with the fact
> that I am not too active. The truth is that I am
> afraid of getting burnt out
> again. I was so burnt out last year, that I totally
> forgot that I ran for Praetor in Nov 2004. I noticed a
> few weeks ago when I checked my century points....
>
> At the end of 2004, I ended up resigning all of my
> positions everywhere. Now that I've had a year's
> hiatus, I'm back to making the magazine for PF
> International called Pagan World and the local PFI
> Belgium newsletter in Dutch. I don't really want to
> take on too much more. However, I would be interested
> in assisting the Praetores (hint hint :-) because I am
> my work at IBM requires me to be online all day and so
> I have constant access to the internet.
>
> Vale and the best of muck to you in 2006!
> Diana Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41174 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: oath of office: aedilis plebis Marca Hortensia Maior
A. Apollonius Domitio Constantino omnibusque sal.

It's all very well to suggest that the higher
magistrates should not accept the results of the
comitia tributa and the concilium plebis, but what is
the alternative? In the comitia tributa we could, I
suppose, hold fresh elections. But in the concilium
plebis, according to your way of thinking (which I can
of course see the sense of), there are no legitimate
tribuni plebis, so it is not and will never again be
possible to hold elections in that assembly, for only
tribuni plebis have the power to summon that assembly
and, you say, there are no tribuni plebis.

You suggest, in the alternative, that the concilium
plebis should be convened to pass a simple 'yes / no'
vote to accept or reject the results of the plebejan
elections. But again there is the same problem: if
there are no legitimate tribuni plebis, the concilium
plebis cannot be called to vote; if, on the other
hand, there are legitimate tribuni plebis, then there
is no need to vote.

I think the best solution is now M. Moravius'
solution. We must regard the plebejan elections as a
spontaneous acclamation by the plebs under its own
authority, analagous to the election of the very first
tribuni plebis.

You're worried that the results cannot be properly
said to represent the will of the plebs because the
fact that there was a vote was never called to the
attention of the plebs and therefore we cannot be sure
that every plebejan was given a fair chance to vote. I
don't see this as a fundamental problem for this
simple reason: the curule elections *were* adequately
advertised, and any voter who went to vote in the
curule elections will have been presented with an
option to vote in the plebejan elections at the same
time. Therefore the only people who will have been
denied an opportunity to vote are those who would not
have voted in the curule elections but would have
voted in the plebejan elections, and I very much doubt
whether any such people exist.

The custodes have stated that only two out of 35
tribes failed to vote. That means that at least one
voter in each of 33 tribes voted. I'm perfectly
confident that if the diribitores were to count the
number of actual voters in the plebejan elections it
would come to the same number as in the curule
elections, minus the patricians and give or take a
handful.

So I don't think there is any reason to think that
these elections were unfair in point of fact. In point
of law, it's true, they were highly irregular, and a
good argument can be advanced for regarding them as
invalid. All I can say is that I do not think such an
argument should be advanced, because it would prevent
us having regular plebejan elections ever again. There
is an alternative, and it is to accept the results of
these elections as proper and legitimate. If we want
tribunes and aediles of the plebs now and in the
future, that's what we must do.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41175 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Thanks
Timothy P. Gallagher wrote:
> To T. Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus my soon to be
> colleague I extend by congratulation on his
> election and I pledge my honor to work with him
> in a cooperative and productive manner and to
> always work for the advancement of Nova Roma.

Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline.

Thank you, congratulations on your own election and I'm sure we will be
able to work together. We are both reasonable men of Rome.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41176 From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
Salve

> Only one tribune, Marca Hortensia, tried to do the right thing;

You must be right, there must indeed be a parallel universe.

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus

Founder of Gens Constantinia
Aedilis Urbis Iterum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41177 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Congratulations, thanks, and a small correction
A. Apollonius omnibus sal.

First congratulations to everyone who was elected;
secondly, thanks to everyone who voted for me and
particularly to those who said nice things about me in
public to persuade other people to vote for me. :)

Finally, a while ago I said that the old magisterial
year began on the ides of March, and was corrected to
the kalends; I've checked, and it turns out I was
right the first time - see Lintott "Constitution" p. 9
with footnote 1 citing Cassiodorus.

Happy new year everyone!



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41178 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Tribune's Handbook is online again
Salve Diana,

Thanks for the handbook. Once we are all sorted out here you can be
sure it will be put to good use!

Regards and thanks,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
<dianaaventina@y...> wrote:
>
> Salvete new Tribunes!
>
> First of all, congratulations and the best of luck to
> you in 2006!
>
> Secondly, I realize that 3 of you have been Tribunes
> already and most likely do not need a handbook (and 2
> of you helped me when I was a new Tribune), but since
> I made the handbook, I thought that I'd put it online
> again.
>
> The link is
> http://users.telenet.be/DOA/TribuneHandbook.htm
>
> I updated it today and have made every effort to see
> that it is correct. If anyone finds an error, please
> let me know and I will fix it immediately!
>
> Valete,
> Diana Octavia
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41179 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Consular Sacrifice Ceremony
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Upon walking outside this morning I found the weather to be cool but
pleasant, with the sun out and birds singing in the New Year. I then
went into my backyard, lit a fire, set up an altar, put on my toga and
proceeded to conduct a ritual to start off my term as Consul. I asked
the Gods for a successful term of office for myself, and for my
colleague; Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.

Praefatio

Iane pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae. [Father
Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that
you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]
Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

Mars pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae. [Father Mars,
by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may
be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]
Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

Quirine pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae. [Father
Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that
you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]
Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

Iane pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Ianus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Mars pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Quirine pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Hands are washed in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, qui res publicas Novas Romanas
nunc custodit defenditque perinde ac res publicas patrum nostrorum
Romanorum custodivit defenditque, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore
initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda
esto. [Iuppiter Best and Greatest, king of the Gods, who protects and
defends the public affairs of Nova Roma just as he protected and
defended the public affairs of our Roman fathers, to you it is proper
for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake
of this thing may you be honored by this feast offering].
Libation of wine is made.

Iuno, regina Deorum, qui materne nunc Senatum Populumque Novae Romae
nutrit perinde ac Senatum Populumque Romanum in tempore partum
nostrorum nutrivit, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam
vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto. [Iuno,
queen of the Gods, who maternally nurtures the Senate and People of
Nova Roma just as she nurtured the Senate and People of Rome in the
time of our fathers, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given
in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may you be
honored by this feast offering].
Libation of wine is made.

Minerva, sapientia aeterna, qui recte res publicas Novas Romanas ducit
perinde ac res publicas patrum nostrorum Romanorum duxit, tibi fieri
oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac
illace dape pullucenda esto. [Minerva, eternal wisdom, who rightly
guides the public affairs of Nova Roma just as she rightly guided the
public affairs of our Roman fathers, to you it is proper for a cup of
wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing
may you be honored by this feast offering].
Libation of wine is made.

Salus, benefactrix Senatus Populique Romani et fideiussorix salutis
nostrae, qui Novam Romam conservat perinde ac Romam antiquam
conservavit, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini
dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto. [Salus,
benefactor of the Roman Senate and People and guarantor of our
well-being, who preserves Nova Roma just as she preserved ancient
Rome, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time
of beginning, for the sake of this thing may you be honored by this
feast offering].
Libation of wine is made.

Hands are washed in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda esto,
macte vino inferio esto. [Iuppiter Best and Greatest, king of the
Gods, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be honored
by the humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

Iuno, regina Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino
inferio esto. [Iuno, queen of the Gods, may you be honored by this
feast offering, may you be honored by the humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

Minerva, sapientia aeterna, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte
vino inferio esto. [Minerva, eternal wisdom, may you be honored by
this feast offering, may you be honored by the humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

Salus, benefactrix Novae Romae, macte istace dape pollucenda esto,
macte vino inferio esto. [Salus, benefactrix of Nova Roma, may you be
honored by this feast offering, may you be honored by the humble
wine.]
Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

Quirine pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Mars pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Mars, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Iane pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Ianus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Dea Vesta, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto. [Goddess
Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Illicet. [It is over.]

At this time I profaned some of the cakes and consumed it. I then
made some personal devotions, and then I reaffirmed my oath of office
that I had taken a few hours before (which I posted to the Nova Roma
main list).

Piaculum

I concluded with a piaculum to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno,
Miverva, and Salus in the event I might have done anything during the
ceremony that might be displeasing to the Immortals.

Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva et Salus, Di Immortales, si
quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam
peto et vitium meum expio. [Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno, Minerva,
and Salus, Immortal Gods, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing
to you, with this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]
Libation of wine is made.

[The text of this ritual is the same as the text used by Gn. Salvius
Astur on January 1st, 2004. I hope future consuls will continue this
tradition].

May the Immortal Gods of Rome bless the citizens and future Citizens
of Nova Roma.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41180 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Congratulations and Thank you!
Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Quiritibus S.P.D.

Happy New Year 2759 A.V.C.!!!!

Congratulations to the newly elected magistrates (I rather consider
them all 'elected' ...more below)

........ and my personal congratulations to my colleague who has
been approved as Senior Consul 2759. G. Fabius Buteo Modianus. I am
happy for you, Modianus, and I think this is quite fitting, being
that you are also a Pontifex, Auger, Flamen, etc.

My many, many thanks to those who supported my candidacy, and also
to those citizens/magistrates who assisted and advocated justice for
myself and my colleage during the hours immediately preceding the
declaration of the results of the Comitia Centuriata.


I thank the diribitores and custos for their hard work, too hard,
and surely we have learned alot from this past experience and we can
look into how the system can be modified. Either that, or we will
have to get you all unionized so you may atleast file workload
grievances...United Brother/Sisterhood of Diribitores and
Custodes ??
:D

Anyway, to digress, The most striking little post last night was
that of Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius last night....He, in discussion
of the Plebian election situation, reminded us of one key thing:
the will of the people.. He was speaking to former Tribune D.
Constantinus Fusce.

The will of the people... Quirites, is this not the bottom-line
deciding factor ultimately, in elections of all three comitia in
which the processes have been foiled, ever so unintentially in
places...?...

An unfortunate state of affairs which I am hoping I don't see to
this extent again, to be honest...as a magistrate or privatus...but
I will also opine further:

No new magistrates, in my view, should be made to suffer for
technical errors, however incidental these errors, of the election
processes of presiding magistrates. Such mistakes should not
override the will of the people if such is known. And we know these
results. All published last night...all three comitia. One senator
made her feelings very clear along these lines on the ML yesterday.
I so agree.

**NEITHER** (not yelling) of the three elections were handled with
what we could describe as exemplary attention to detail or prized
procedural finesse....but the major determining factor is clear,
such information furnished by Custos Senator Palladius last night.

Moreover, 'all' presiding magistrates, imperium and potestas bearers
alike are responsible for these elections, not one or two...there is
no point playing the blamegame here.

I would suggest, personally that this be considered, as the 'only'
thing these election proceedings in all three comitia have in
common...'is'...they have as a result of the elections, all of which
are faulty in technicality, a statement reflecting what the 'people'
want for 2759.

We may argue until the cows come home about this failure to
proclaim this, or failure to convene that...but we will never find
a clear explanation all around.

But we have the will of the people, after hours and hours or
sleepless, hard work on the part of dedicated people counting
votes, lotting ties and processing them electronically.... we have
the will of the people.... the most important element in a comitia
election.

Next year we can set goals to do better.

Again, congratulations on those magistrates elected by the people.

Po
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41181 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Consular Sacrifice
Salve G. Fabius Buteo Modianus Consul, Pontifex, Augur, Flamen

My thanks for your religious consideration and offering on our behalf
as Consuls.

Vale bene,
Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo
Consul 2759 A.U.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41182 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Cn. Iulius Caesar
I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Cn. Iulius Caesar, swear to honor
the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Cn. Iulius Caesar, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana
as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way
that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Cn. Iulius Caesar, swear to protect and defend the Constitution
of Nova Roma.

I, Cn. Iulius Caesar, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best of my
abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41183 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the newly elected!
Salvete omnes

My congratulations to the new elected

Censor: G. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Consuls: G. Fabius Buteo Modianus and P. Minucia Tiberia
Praetors: Ti. Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus

I wish them the best.

Valete bene

M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
PROPRÆTOR·HISPANIÆ
SCRIBA·CENSORIS·GEM
COHORS·CENSORIS·APPROBATIONVM
NOVA·ROMA
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41184 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Diribitor
I, Quintus Servilius Priscus(Charles Collins) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Servilius Priscus(Charles
Collins), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Quintus Servilius Priscus(Charles Collins), swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Quintus Servilius Priscus(Charles Collins), swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Quintus Servilius Priscus(Charles Collins), further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Diribitor to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Diribitor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

Quintus Servilius Priscus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41185 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM A GNAEO EQVITIO MARINO
Ex Officio Censoris Gnaei Equiti Marini

EDICTVM CENSORIVM A GNAEO EQVITIO MARINO

De Creatione Scribarum

On the Naming of Scribae

Ex hoc edicto, cives scribas meos una cum officiis privilegiisque
omnibus praescriptis legibus Novae Romae designo.

I hereby appoint the following citizens as my scribae, together
with all the obligations and privileges prescribed by the laws of Nova Roma.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus et Marcus Octavius Germanicus scribae
creantur.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and Marcus Octavius Germanicus are
appointed scribae.

Quidquam ius iurandum non poscentur.

They shall not be required to make any kind of oath.

Hoc edictum statim valet.

This edict is effective immediately.

Datum sub manu mea Nonus Ianuarias MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita

Given under my hand this 5th day of January 2759 a.u.c (2006 C.E.)

Gaio Fabio Buteo Modiano Pompeia Minucia Tiberia consulibus.

In the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia Tiberia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41186 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: A big Thanks to my Cohors Censoris CFBQ
Salve Quintiliane, amice,

Thanks for the praise that this scriba has received, has been a great honor to work with you (even if you have changed me the nomen ;-) )

Vale optime

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PROPRÆTOR·HISPANIÆ

ex-Scriba Censoris CFBQ

SCRIBA·CENSORIS·GEM
COHORS·CENSORIS·APPROBATIONVM
NOVA·ROMA
http://commentariola.blogspot.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:46 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A big Thanks to my Cohors Censoris CFBQ


Salvete Rogatores and Scribae!

I have had a wonderful Cohors (staff) during my two year's term as
Censor. I would like to write a book about each of You, but sadly
enough there is no time. All of You have done a splendid job, but I
want to especially mention the two Rogatores and former Scribae
Censoris Caius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus and Marca Martiana
Gangalia Marcella. Thank You, You have done a splendid work!

Below are all the Scribae that has served on my Cohors during my two years:

Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus
Vibia Ulpia Aestiva
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
Fausta Martiana Gangalia Minervalis
Marcus Minicius Complutensis
Manius Constantinus Serapio
Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Marca Hortensia Maior
Titus Octavius Salvius
Quintus Cassius Calvus
Annia Octavia Indagatrix
Marcus Arminius Maior
Gaius Modius Athanasius
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Lucius Modius Kaelus
Gaia Flavia Aureliana
Quintus Fabius Allectus
Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
Aulus Apollonius Cordus
Marcus Antonius Biachius

I thank You all! You are the best!

From the bottom of my heart I wish You all a Happy New Year!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41187 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: My Congratulations!
C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete!

I would like to offer my heartfelt congratulations to all of the newly
elected Magistrates of Nova Roma, and I wish to convey my thanks to
those citizens who in casting their votes, placed their faith and
confidence in my ability to discharge the office of Censor. The Gods
willing, I shall endeavor to the best of my abilities to ensure that
your confidence was not misplaced. Finally I would like to acknowledge
to my opponent and colleague, Quintus Fabius Maximus, for once again
stepping up and offering his services to the Res Publica.

Valete bene in Pace Deorum,
--
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Censor Elect
Senator
Pontifex et Minervae Aedis Sacerdos
Legate Massachusetts Regio
c.minucius.hadrianus@...

"What does it matter by which wisdom each of us arrives at the truth? It
is not possible that only road leads to so sublime a mystery."
- Quintus Aurelius Symmachus c. 340-c.402

"We are all, so far as we inherit the civilization of Europe, still
citizens of the Roman Empire, and time as not yet proved Virgil wrong
when he wrote:
/nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

-T.S. Eliot

"/His ego nec metas rerum nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

"For the achievement of these people I fix neither spatial boundaries or
temporal limits: I have given them empire without end."

-Virgil, /Aeneid/ I.278,279
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41188 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Salve Aventina,

Diana Octavia Aventina wrote:

> I think that we now have 36 Senatores. If we have 662
> citizens that answered the census, then that is one
> Senator for every 18,4 citizens. Isn't that a bit top
> heavy?

The passage of the Lex Popillia Senatoria was announced early this
morning. It provides that the senate shall be 15% of the tax-paying
(assidui) population.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41189 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Ius Iurandum (Oath of Office)
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete Omnes.

Ego, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Russell Gunn), hac re ipsa
decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae
Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Russell Gunn), officio
Censoris Novae Romae accepto, Deos Deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae
publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque
vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Russell Gunn), Religioni
Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum
publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Russell Gunn) officiis
muneris Censoris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram Deis Deabusque Populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Censoris una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

-------------------------------

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Russell Gunn),do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in
the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian
Russell Gunn), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my
public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Russell Gunn), swear to uphold
and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State
Religion.

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Russell Gunn), swear to
protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Russell Gunn), further swear
to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Censor
to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Censor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Valete bene in Pace Deorum,

--
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Censor Elect
Senator
Pontifex et Minervae Aedis Sacerdos
Legate Massachusetts Regio
c.minucius.hadrianus@...

"What does it matter by which wisdom each of us arrives at the truth? It
is not possible that only road leads to so sublime a mystery."
- Quintus Aurelius Symmachus c. 340-c.402

"We are all, so far as we inherit the civilization of Europe, still
citizens of the Roman Empire, and time as not yet proved Virgil wrong
when he wrote:
/nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

-T.S. Eliot

"/His ego nec metas rerum nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

"For the achievement of these people I fix neither spatial boundaries or
temporal limits: I have given them empire without end."

-Virgil, /Aeneid/ I.278,279


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41190 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Dismissal of my Scribae
Salvete Quirites et Scribae!

A bit late, now being a privatus I hereby dismiss You all my former
Scribae Censoris CFBQ, with deep gratitude for your fantastic work
for me and the Res Publica!

The list below is the Scribae that I now dismiss, please also let it
be a list of honor as I think many citizens don't understand what
huge service these citizens has been to the Res Publica.

Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus
Vibia Ulpia Aestiva
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
Fausta Martiana Gangalia Minervalis
Marcus Minicius Complutensis
Manius Constantinus Serapio
Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Marca Hortensia Maior
Titus Octavius Salvius
Quintus Cassius Calvus
Annia Octavia Indagatrix
Marcus Arminius Maior
Gaius Modius Athanasius
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Lucius Modius Kaelus
Gaia Flavia Aureliana
Quintus Fabius Allectus
Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
Aulus Apollonius Cordus
Marcus Antonius Biachius

Thank You all and see You later. perhaps on the Wall of Hadrianus inm
Provincia Britannia, late this summer.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Censorius, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41191 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: [Cohors_Censoris_CFBQ] Re: [Nova-Roma] A big Thanks to my Cohors Ce
Salve Marcus Curiatus Complutensis, Amice!

I am so sorry! What can I say? That I was tired? Probably not enough! Sorry!

>Salve Quintiliane, amice,
>
>Thanks for the praise that this scriba has
>received, has been a great honor to work with
>you (even if you have changed me the nomen ;-)
>)
>
>Vale optime
>
>M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>PROPRÆTOR·HISPANIÆ
>
>ex-Scriba Censoris CFBQ
>
>SCRIBA·CENSORIS·GEM
>COHORS·CENSORIS·APPROBATIONVM
>NOVA·ROMA
><http://commentariola.blogspot.com>http://commentariola.blogspot.com

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Censorius, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41192 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: [Cohors_Censoris_CFBQ] Re: [Nova-Roma] A big Thanks to my Cohor
Salve Quintiliane amice

It does not have importance.

Vale bene

M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
To: Cohors_Censoris_CFBQ@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Nova Roma Main List
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: [Cohors_Censoris_CFBQ] Re: [Nova-Roma] A big Thanks to my Cohors Censoris CFBQ


Salve Marcus Curiatus Complutensis, Amice!

I am so sorry! What can I say? That I was tired? Probably not enough! Sorry!

>Salve Quintiliane, amice,
>
>Thanks for the praise that this scriba has
>received, has been a great honor to work with
>you (even if you have changed me the nomen ;-)
>)
>
>Vale optime
>
>M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
>PROPRÆTOR·HISPANIÆ
>
>ex-Scriba Censoris CFBQ
>
>SCRIBA·CENSORIS·GEM
>COHORS·CENSORIS·APPROBATIONVM
>NOVA·ROMA
><http://commentariola.blogspot.com>http://commentariola.blogspot.com

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Censorius, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
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Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41193 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: ONE MORE MISTAKE: [Nova-Roma] Dismissal of my Scribae
Salve Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, filius et Amice!

One more serious mistake with names again. I surely must be tired: I
am very sorry and I think I need to take a break of from work at the
computer now. Sorry, but You know that I "love" You.;-)

At 19.38 +0100 06-01-01, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus wrote:
>Salvete Quirites et Scribae!
>
>A bit late, now being a privatus I hereby dismiss You all my former
>Scribae Censoris CFBQ, with deep gratitude for your fantastic work
>for me and the Res Publica!
>
>Gaius Modius Athanasius


--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Censorius, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41194 From: Alecto Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of office
Salvete omnes!
Here is my oath of office.

I, Quintus Fabius Allectus (Fabio Bertini), do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma I, Quintus Fabius Allectus, swear to honor the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Quintus Fabius Allectus, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as
the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Quintus Fabius Allectus, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
Nova Roma.

I, Quintus Fabius Allectus, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of quaestor and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.



Valete Optime,

Qvintvs Fabivs Allectvs (aka Alecto)
Paterfamilias Fabiae Alectae
Quaestor Novae Romae
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41195 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath Of Office (Diribitor)
I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
(Pierre-Jean Tuloup), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in
my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup), swear to uphold
and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup), swear to protect
and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup), further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Diribitor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Diribitor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41196 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Ius Iurandum (Oath of Office) Julilla Sempronia Magna, Aedilis Ple
Julilla Sempronia Magna Quiritibus S.P.D.

Ego, Julilla Sempronia Magna (Sara Urdahl), hac re ipsa decus Novae
Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum
esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Julilla Sempronia Magna (Sara Urdahl), officio Aedilis Plebis Novae
Romae accepto, Deos Deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae
temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me
persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Julilla Sempronia Magna (Sara Urdahl), Religioni Romanae me
fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me
acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Julilla Sempronia Magna (Sara Urdahl) officiis muneris Aedilis
Plebis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram Deis Deabusque Populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Aedilis Plebis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I, Julilla Sempronia Magna (Sara Urdahl), do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Julilla Sempronia Magna (Sara Urdahl),
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and
to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Julilla Sempronia Magna (Sara Urdahl), swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act
in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Julilla Sempronia Magna (Sara Urdahl), swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Julilla Sempronia Magna (Sara Urdahl), further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Plebeian Aedile to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Plebeian Aedile and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Sworn this day, January 1 in the consulship of G. Fabius Buteo Modianus
and Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.

dii vos ament,

@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41197 From: Dazz8 Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Ultralingua Latin-English Dictionary
Sorry I forgot this group does not allow attachments.
You need to enter the following info for the $30 gift voucher.
Claim Code: X4NL9NPMSZ
Amount: $30.00
Expires: 2-Dec-2006

> I have recently purchased the LingvoSoft Dictionary 2006 English <->
> Latin for Windows.
> http://www.lingvosoft.com/LingvoSoft-Dictionary-English-Latin-for-Windows/
>
> It is only a simple dictionary but I find it useful, but I don't know if
> they have an Apple Mac version.
> But if you have a Windows PC (or Virtual PC for mac) I have included a
> copy of my $30 gift voucher
> which you or anyone can use.
>
> $30 Gift Voucher
>
>
> > Salve,
> >
> > Is anyone using this program? I am thinking about purchasing it but,
> > I thought I would ask if anyone was using it first. Here is the URL
> > for it(the Mac version):
> >
> > http://www.ultralingua.com/en/products.php?productid=30718ULLEMac
> >
> > Mac, Windows, Palm OS and Pocket PC versions are available. Also,
> > there are more languages available too.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41198 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the newly elected!
M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS wrote:
> My congratulations to the new elected
>
> Praetor: Ti. Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
>
> I wish them the best.

Marce Curi Complutensis.

Thank you very much. I appreciate your well-wishes.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenbarbus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41199 From: Marcus Iulius Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of office of M Iul Perusianus
M IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS SPD

I, Marcus Iulius Perusianus (Milko Anselmi),do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Iulius Perusianus (Milko Anselmi), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Marcus Iulius Perusianus (Milko Anselmi), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Marcus Iulius Perusianus (Milko Anselmi), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Marcus Iulius Perusianus (Milko Anselmi), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

valete


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41200 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Marcus Cassius Philippus
Salvete Omnes,

Oath of Office of Marcus Cassius Philippus:

I, Marcus Cassius Philippus (Philip Perez) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, M. Cassius Philippus, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, M. Cassius Philippus, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, M. Cassius Philippus, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, M. Cassius Philippus, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Editor Commentariorum to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Editor Commentariorum and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Valete,
Marcus Cassius Philippus
Kalendis Ianuariis MMDCCLIX a.u.c. / 1 January 2006




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41201 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results for Comitia Populi Tributa
Salvete, omnes.

> C. Equitius Cato and T. Iulius Sabinus are elected Curule Aediles

Congratulations, Cato et Sabine! Panem et circenses!

> The following magistrates were elected Quaestor:
> A. Apollonius Cordus,
> C. Arminius Reccanellus,
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus,
> Q. Fabius Allectus,
> T. Flavius Vespasianus,
> Cn. Iulius Caesar,
> M. Iulius Perusianus,
> T. Marcius Felix

Congratulations, Quaestores! Serve the magistrates the Consules assign
you to well.

> The following are elected Custodes:
> Emilia Curia Finnica,
> T. Licinius Crassus,

Vivat Emilia! Congratulations to you and Crassus! May Fortuna smile on
your coin tosses.

> The following are elected diribitores:
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar,
> L. Rutilius Minervalis,
> Q. Servilius Priscus,
> Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus,

Congratulations, Diribitores! Count carefully and with due haste.

> M. Cassius Philippus, is elected Editor Commentariorum,
> Q. Valerius Callidus is elected Magister Aranearius with 21 tribes

Congratulations, Virgintisexvirii! Serve the republic as you have been
elected to do.

> A. Tullia Scholastica, is elected Rogator in the first round
> and M. Iulius Severus is elected Rogator in 2nd round

Congratulations, Rogatores! Help our republic function and grow.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41202 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Gratias et gratulationes
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus omnibus, praesertim magistratibus nouis,
S.P.D.

I would like to join in congratulating all of the new magistrates (with
one exception; it's hardly gracious to congratulate oneself), and to thank
both those who supported me and endorsed me in this forum and the citizens
who voted for me. Thank you very much for your support and your confidence
in me as expressed by your votes. I shall perform the duties of rogatrix
to the best of my ability, as I always do when something is asked of me.

Best wishes for a very happy and healthy new year to all.

Valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica
rogatrix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41203 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Re: Results of Comitia Plebis Tributa
Salvete, omnes.

> Plebeian Aedile:
> Julilla Sempronia Magna wins with 32 tribes and is elected
> Marca Hortensia Maior (write-in) wins 19 tribes and is elected:

Congratulations, Aediles! Panem et circenses!

> Tribunus Plebis:
> M. Arminius Maior wins 31 tribes
> M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus wins 31 tribes and is elected
> Cn. Salvius Astur wins 31 tribes and is elected
> Q. Suetonius Paulinus wins 29 tribes and is elected
> C. Vipsanius Agrippa wins 27 tribes and is elected

Congratulations, Tribuni! Please be gentle with me, I have only the best
intentions.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41204 From: Micah DarkFyre Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: A Blessed and safe New Year
Sunday, January 1, 2006
5:21 PM Central Standard Time
Dateline: Caer Portshire, the Dells


Attn: The nations of Elpoepia and Nova Roma


To Whom It May Concern:

On behalf of my nation, I wish the people of Elpoepia and Nova Roma a safe, blessed, and prosperous New Year. Good Dreaming and Blessed Be to you in all your hopes and endeavours from this day forward. Dream well.

On Guard and in His Name,
-ShadowDarkFyre the LordVengeance, ur-Lord
Caer Portshire, the Dells
The Domain and Realms - http://thedomainandrealms.batcave.net



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41205 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Fasti Ianuarii
Q. Metellus Quiritibus sal.

For the month of January:

1 Kal. Ian. A F
2 a.d. IV Non. Ian. B F Ater
3 a.d. III Non. Ian. C F Nundina
4 pr. Non. Ian. D C
5 Non. Ian. E F
6 a.d. VIII Id. Ian. F F Ater
7 a.d. VII Id. Ian. G C
8 a.d. VI Id. Ian. H C
9 a.d. V Id. Ian. A NP Agonium/-ia/-alia*
10 a.d. IV Id. Ian. B EN
11 a.d. III Id. Ian. C NP Carmentalia (Nun.)
12 pr. Id. Ian. D C
13 Id. Ian. E NP
14 a.d. XIX Kal. Feb. F EN Ater
15 a.d. XVIII Kal. Feb. G NP Carmentalia
16 a.d. XVII Kal. Feb. H C
17 a.d. XVI Kal. Feb. A C
18 a.d. XV Kal. Feb. B C
19 a.d. XIV Kal. Feb. C F Nun.
20 a.d. XIII Kal. Feb. D C
21 a.d. XII Kal. Feb. E C
22 a.d. XI Kal. Feb. F C
23 a.d. X Kal. Feb. G C
24 a.d. IX Kal. Feb. H C
25 a.d. VIII Kal. Feb. A C
26 a.d. VII Kal. Feb. B C
27 a.d. VI Kal. Feb. C F Nun.
28 a.d. V Kal. Feb. D C
29 a.d. IV Kal. Feb. E C
30 a.d. III Kal. Feb. F C
31 pr. Kal. Feb. G C

Note: This is not the official calendar. A vote to confirm the official
calendar has been called by the Collegium Pontificum, and the results
shall be posted within the next two weeks. In the calendar above, the
Lex Hortensia is observed, with nundinae falling on the C nundinal letter.

*For discussion on the name of this day, see Scullard, H.H. _Festivals
and Ceremonies of the Roman Republic_. c1981, Thames and Hudson. p.
60-61, among others.

As always, I'm happy to answer any questions, hear any comments, address
any concerns, etc., you may have. I can be reached via phone or email
(metellus 'at' cinci 'dot' rr 'dot' com). If phone is your preference,
please write me and we can work out a time good for both of us.

Optime Valete et Felicem Annum Novum,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus,
Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41206 From: Titus Marcius Felix Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office of Titus Marcius Felix
Salvete Omnes,

I, Titus Marcius Felix (Maciano de O. Meneses) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Titus Marcius Felix swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Titus Marcius Felix swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Titus Marcius Felix swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Marcius Felix further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Valete.
Titus Marcius Felix




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41207 From: S Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2006-01-01
Subject: Oath of office, and congratulations
Salvete omnes, valetudo quod fortuna!

I, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus (Steven Patrick Stewart
Robinson), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma,
and to act always in the best interests of the People and the Senate
of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Stephanus Ullerius Venator
Piperbarbus (Steven Patrick Stewart Robinson), swear to honor the Gods
and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus (Steven Patrick Stewart
Robinson), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State
Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus (Steven Patrick Stewart
Robinson), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus (Steven Patrick Stewart
Robinson), further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Diribitor to the best of my
abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Diribitor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

May That Which I Hold Holy likewise look upon my words and bear witness thereto.

My personal thanks to all those who stepped forward as candidates.

To those not elected, your candidacy WAS a service to the Republic.

To those elected (including myself), now is the time to show the
people that their trust is well founded.

Looking foreward!

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Diribitor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
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May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41208 From: G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Kalends Ian.: M. Aurelius on Peace
G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes salutem plurimam dicit.

Totam bonam Vobis exopto.

Today I had the privilege of reading from the MEDITATIONS of Marcus Aurelius for a local New Year's Day gathering.

For the past seven years, our community has held a "Peace Walk" on New Year's Day. This was the first year I participated.
Even with moderate rain and full overcast, over 100 people took part. We walked about 12 blocks to a community centre for some informal, multi-denominational presentations (spoken word, songs, etc.) Following the presentations, the Sikh
Temple hosted everyone for lunch.

This was ecumenical, not evangelical. The mutual respect shown was equal to that required by the Religio . . . a warm and pleasant surprise, and a great way to start the year.

Below, I'm including the MEDITATIONS I read.

Valete bene omnes!

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

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Marcus Aurelius Antoninus
themed readings

ON PEACE

IV, xl
Constantly regard the universe as one living being, having one substance and one soul; and observe how all things have
reference to one perception, the perception of this one living being; and how all things act with one movement; and how all
things are the co-operating causes of all things which exist; observe too the continuous spinning of the thread and the
contexture of the web.
(page 27)

VIII, xxvii
There are three relations [between thee and other things]: the one to the body which surrounds thee; the second to the divine cause from which all things come to all; and the third to those who live with thee.
(page 66)

VI, xxx
Take care that thou are not made into a ruler over people,* that thou art not dyed with this dye; for such things happen. Keep thyself then good, pure, serious, free from affectation, a friend of justice, a worshipper of the gods, kind, affectionate, strenuous in all proper acts. Strive to continue to be such as philosophy wished to make thee. Reverence the gods, and help men. Short is life. There is only one fruit of this terrene life, a pious disposition and social acts . . . .
(page 45)

*a ruler over people: The original text has " .... not made into a Caesar..."
To avoid misunderstanding of the Latin pronunciation of "Caesar", and to avoid rendering it with the English "seizer" pronunciation, I made this minor change in favor of audience understanding.


VII, ix
All things are implicated with one another, and the bond is holy; and there is hardly anything unconnected with any other thing. For things have been coordinated, and they combine to form the universe. For there is one universe made up of all things, and one substance, and one law, [one] common reason in all intelligent animals, and one truth; if indeed there is also one perfection for all animals which are of the same stock and participate in the same reason.
(page 52)



source:
Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, MEDITATIONS. Translated by George Long. Book-of-the-Month Club, New York, 1996




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41209 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: post. Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est postridie Kalendas Ianuarius (a.d. IV Nonas Ianuarius); haec
dies fastus aterque est.


"By the order of Amulius some of his servants took the babes [Romulus
and Remus] in an ark and carried them to the river, distant about a
hundred and twenty stades from the city, with the intention of
throwing them into it. But when they drew near and perceived that the
Tiber, swollen by continual rains, had left its natural bed and
overflowed the plains, they came down from the top of the Palatine
hill to that part of the water that lay nearest (for they could no
longer advance any farther) and set down the ark upon the flood where
it washed the foot of the hill. The ark floated for some time, and
then, as the waters retired by degrees from their extreme limits, it
struck against a stone and, overturning, threw out the babes, who lay
whimpering and wallowing in the mud. Upon this, a she-wolf that had
just whelped appeared and, her udder being distended with milk, gave
them her paps to suck and with her tongue licked off the mud with
which they were besmeared. In the meantime the herdsmen happened to be
driving their flocks forth to pasture (for the place was now become
passable) and one of them, seeing the wolf thus fondling the babes,
was for some time struck dumb with astonishment and disbelief of what
he saw. Then going away and getting together as many as he could of
his fellows who kept their herds near at hand (for they would not
believe what he said), he led them to see the sight themselves. When
these also drew near and saw the wolf caring for the babes as if they
had been her young and the babes clinging to her as to their mother,
they thought they were beholding a supernatural sight and advanced in
a body, shouting to terrify the creature. The wolf, however, far from
being provoked at the approach of the men, but as if she had been
tame, withdrew gently from the babes and went away, paying little heed
to the rabble of shepherds. Now there was not far off a holy place,
arched over by a dense wood, and a hollow rock from which springs
issued; the wood was said to be consecrated to Pan, and there was an
altar there to that god. To this place, then, the wolf came and hid
herself. The grove, to be sure, no longer remains, but the cave from
which the spring flows is still pointed out, built up against the side
of the Palatine hill on the road which leads to the Circus, and near
it is a sacred precinct in which there is a statue commemorating the
incident; it represents a she-wolf suckling two infants, the figures
being in bronze and of ancient workmanship. This spot is said to have
been a holy place of the Arcadians who formerly settled there with
Evander.

As soon as the beast was gone the herdsmen took up the babes, and
believing that the god desired their preservation, were eager to bring
them up. There was among them the keeper of the royal herds of swine,
whose name was Faustulus, an upright man, who had been in town upon
some necessary business at the time when the deflowering of Ilia and
her delivery were made public. And afterwards, when the babes were
being carried to the river, he had by some providential chance taken
the same road to the Palatine hill and gone along with those who were
carrying them. this man, without giving the least intimation to the
others that he knew anything of the affair, asked that the babes might
be delivered to him, and having received them by general consent, he
carried them home to his wife. And finding that she had just given
birth to a child and was grieving because it was still-born, he
comforted her and gave her these children to substitute in its place,
informing her of every circumstance of their fortune from the
beginning. And as they grew older he gave to one the name of Romulus
and to the other that of Remus. When they came to be men, they showed
themselves both in dignity of aspect and elevation of mind not like
swineherds and neatherds, but such as we might expect those to be who
are born of royal race and are looked upon as the offspring of the
gods; and as such they are still celebrated by the Romans in the hymns
of their country. But their life was that of herdsmen, and they lived
by their own labour, generally upon the mountains in huts which they
built, roofs and all, out of sticks and reeds. One of these, called
the hut of Romulus, remained even to my day on the flank of the
Palatine hill which faces towards the Circus, and it is preserved holy
by those who have charge of these matters; they add nothing to it to
render it more stately, but if any part of it is injured, either by
storms or by the lapse of time, they repair the damage and restore the
hut as nearly as possible to its former condition." - Dionysius of
Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 1.79.iiii-xi


"At Patavium, there was a well-known prophet called Caius Cornelius,
who was a fellow-citizen and acquaintance of Livy the historian. On
the day of the battle this man happened to be sitting at his prophetic
work and first, according to Livy, he realized that the battle was
taking place at that very moment and said to those who were present
that now was the time when matters were being decided and now the
troops were going into action; then he had a second look and, when he
had examined the signs, he jumped up in a kind of ecstasy and cried
out: 'Caesar, the victory is yours!' Those who were standing by were
amazed at him, but he took the garland from his head and solemnly
swore that he would not wear it again until facts had proved that his
arts had revealed the truth to him. Livy, certainly, is most emphatic
that this really happened." - Plutarch, Parallel Lives, "Caesar" 47

"There is this exceptionally beneficial and fruitful advantage to be
derived from the study of the past, that you see, set in the clear
light of historical truth, examples of every possible type. From these
you may select for yourself and your country what to imitate, and also
what, as being mischievous in its inception and disastrous in its
issues, you are to avoid. Unless, however, I am misled by affection
for my undertaking, there has never existed any commonwealth greater
in power, with a purer morality, or more fertile in good examples; or
any state in which avarice and luxury have been so late in making
their inroads, or poverty and frugality so highly and continuously
honoured, showing so clearly that the less wealth men possessed the
less they coveted. In these latter years wealth has brought avarice in
its train, and the unlimited command of pleasure has created in men a
passion for ruining themselves and everything else through
self-indulgence and licentiousness. But criticisms which will be
unwelcome, even when perhaps necessary, must not appear in the
commencement at all events of this extensive work. We should much
prefer to start with favourable omens, and if we could have adopted
the poets' custom, it would have been much pleasanter to commence with
prayers and supplications to gods and goddesses that they would grant
a favourable and successful issue to the great task before us." -
Livy, History of Rome, Preface

On this day in A.D. 17, the historian Titus Livius (Livy) died,
probably at Padua. In antiquity, Livy was praised by many authors.
Writing during the reign of the emperor Domitian, Quintilian states
that Romans Livy and Sallustius were the equals of the Greek
historians Herodotus of Halicarnassus and Thucydides. This was, at the
end of the first century, the greatest praise possible --- it was only
during the age of the Severan emperors that the Romans had sufficient
cultural self-confidence to bluntly state that they no longer cared
about Greek civilization. When Livy told a story, Quintilian said, it
was clear as crystal, and his speeches were eloquent beyond
description. Quintilian was not the only one to praise the author of
the History of Rome from its foundation. In 79, Pliny the Younger
preferred reading Livy to the spectacle of the explosion of the
Vesuvius. In the Middle Ages and Renaissance, Livy was still admired
for his style, and this has never changed.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Livy
(http://www.livius.org/li-ln/livy/livy.htm)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41210 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Congratulations to the new Pretors
Provincia Brasilia wants to congratulate Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo and Tiberius Galerius Paulinus for the election to Pretor office!

Valete
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PROPRAETOR.PROVINCIAE.BRASILIAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41211 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Errata: Congratulations to the new Pretors
Oops!!!

Provincia Brasilia wants to congratulate Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus and Tiberius Galerius Paulinus for the election to Pretor office!

Valete
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PROPRAETOR.PROVINCIAE.BRASILIAE
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41212 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Congratulations to the new consules!!
Provincia Brasilia wants to congratulate C. FABIUS BUTEO MODIANUS and POMPEIA MINUCIA TIBERIA STRABO for the election to the Consul office!

Valete
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PROPRAETOR.PROVINCIAE.BRASILIAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41213 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office of Caius Arminius Reccanellus
Salvete Omnes,

I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Valete
C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
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QUESTOR.NOVAE.ROMAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41214 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the new Pretors
C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS wrote:
> Provincia Brasilia wants to congratulate Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
> [...] for the election to Pretor office!

Salve, C. Armini Reccanelle.

My thanks to you and Provincia Brasilia. Good luck in your work as Quaestor!

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41215 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: EDICTVM AEDILEM CURULEM C. EQVITIVS CATO
Ex Officio Aedilis Curulis Gaii Equiti Catoni

EDICTVM AEDILEM CURULEM GAIO EQVITIO CATONI

De Creatione Scribarum

Ex hoc edicto, cives scribas meos una cum officiis privilegiisque
omnibus praescriptis legibus Novae Romae designo.
Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa et Marcus Lucretius Agricola scribae
creantur. Quidquam ius iurandum non poscentur.

Hoc edictum statim valet.

Datum sub manu mea postridie Kalendas Ianuarius MMDCCLIX ab urbe
condita Gaio Fabio Buteo Modiano Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo
consulibus.

**********************************************************************

On the Naming of Scribae

I hereby appoint the following citizens as my scribae, together
with all the obligations and privileges prescribed by the laws of Nova
Roma. Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa and Marcus Lucretius Agricola are
appointed scribae. They shall not be required to make any kind of oath.

This edict is effective immediately.

Given under my hand this second day of January 2759 a.u.c (A.D. 2006)
in the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia
Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41216 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
P. Memmius Albucius Catoni omnibusque

S.V.G.E.R.

Please find first, dear Cato, all my sincere wishes for 2759, to you,
your familia and your team.

Precisely, on the scribes, do not you think that it is good for Res
publica that :

1/ *plebeian* citizens be scribes for *Curule* aediles ;
2/ a *tribune* be asked to be such a scriba ?

I think that, on the second point, a tribunus must be free of *every
depending link*, for he may veto *every other magistrate* edict/act.
What will occur if Hon. Vipsanius have to examinate such a
possibility ?

I would suggest you and Tribune Agrippa reconsider this point of view.

Furthermore, the more we avoid crossing responsibilities in public
offices, the best it is.

Optime vale, Aedile.


P. Memmius Albucius
Leg. Lugd. Galliae




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@g...>
wrote:

> EDICTVM AEDILEM CURULEM GAIO EQVITIO CATONI

(..)

> On the Naming of Scribae

> I hereby appoint the following citizens as my scribae, (..) Gaius
Vipsanius Agrippa and Marcus Lucretius Agricola are
>appointed scribae.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41217 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
P. Memmius Albucius Catoni omnibusque

S.V.G.E.R.

Please find first, dear Cato, all my sincere wishes for 2759, to you,
your familia and your team.

Precisely, on the scribes, do not you think that it is good for Res
publica that :

1/ *plebeian* citizens be scribes for *Curule* aediles ;
2/ a *tribune* be asked to be such a scriba ?

I think that, on the second point, a tribunus must be free of *every
depending link*, for he may veto *every other magistrate* edict/act.
What will occur if Hon. Vipsanius have to examinate such a
possibility ?

I would suggest you and Tribune Agrippa reconsider this point of view.

Furthermore, the more we avoid crossing responsibilities in public
offices, the best it is.

Optime vale, Aedile.


P. Memmius Albucius
Leg. Lugd. Galliae




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@g...>
wrote:

> EDICTVM AEDILEM CURULEM GAIO EQVITIO CATONI

(..)

> On the Naming of Scribae

> I hereby appoint the following citizens as my scribae, (..) Gaius
Vipsanius Agrippa and Marcus Lucretius Agricola are
>appointed scribae.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41218 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
C. Equitius Cato P. Memmio Albucio quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Thank you for your kind thoughts and I wish you and yours the same
health and happiness in 2759.

Now, a citizen is a citizen, regardless of Patrician or Plebeian
class; in working with Vipsanius Agrippa on the new coin project I
have found him to be extremely efficient, and thus find him eminently
suitable for a position in my cohors.

It is not unusual at all for there to be multiple offices held by
citizens in our Republic; a quick glance over the past three years
will give solid enough proof to that.

Vipsanius Agrippa is not my client nor am I his patron; he owes
nothing to me and I owe nothing to him; we plan to work together on
specific jobs within my cohors, and if I ever make an action as Curule
Aedile with which he cannot agree as Tribune of he Plebs, I have
absolutely no doubt that he will veto it.

Vale et valete,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41219 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Sacrifice Ceremony
Vale,



Very nice! I am impressed that you have immediately turned to the Gods for
guidance. This shows that you are every bit the pious man I think you to be,
my friend. May the Gods bless you and the other officials as you do your
work this year.



Optima Vale!



Gaia Galeria Aquila



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Of David Kling
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:09 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Consular Sacrifice Ceremony



Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Upon walking outside this morning I found the weather to be cool but
pleasant, with the sun out and birds singing in the New Year. I then
went into my backyard, lit a fire, set up an altar, put on my toga and
proceeded to conduct a ritual to start off my term as Consul. I asked
the Gods for a successful term of office for myself, and for my
colleague; Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.

Praefatio

Iane pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae. [Father
Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that
you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]
Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

Mars pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae. [Father Mars,
by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may
be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]
Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

Quirine pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae. [Father
Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that
you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]
Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

Iane pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Ianus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Mars pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Quirine pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Hands are washed in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, qui res publicas Novas Romanas
nunc custodit defenditque perinde ac res publicas patrum nostrorum
Romanorum custodivit defenditque, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore
initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda
esto. [Iuppiter Best and Greatest, king of the Gods, who protects and
defends the public affairs of Nova Roma just as he protected and
defended the public affairs of our Roman fathers, to you it is proper
for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake
of this thing may you be honored by this feast offering].
Libation of wine is made.

Iuno, regina Deorum, qui materne nunc Senatum Populumque Novae Romae
nutrit perinde ac Senatum Populumque Romanum in tempore partum
nostrorum nutrivit, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam
vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto. [Iuno,
queen of the Gods, who maternally nurtures the Senate and People of
Nova Roma just as she nurtured the Senate and People of Rome in the
time of our fathers, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given
in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may you be
honored by this feast offering].
Libation of wine is made.

Minerva, sapientia aeterna, qui recte res publicas Novas Romanas ducit
perinde ac res publicas patrum nostrorum Romanorum duxit, tibi fieri
oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac
illace dape pullucenda esto. [Minerva, eternal wisdom, who rightly
guides the public affairs of Nova Roma just as she rightly guided the
public affairs of our Roman fathers, to you it is proper for a cup of
wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing
may you be honored by this feast offering].
Libation of wine is made.

Salus, benefactrix Senatus Populique Romani et fideiussorix salutis
nostrae, qui Novam Romam conservat perinde ac Romam antiquam
conservavit, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini
dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto. [Salus,
benefactor of the Roman Senate and People and guarantor of our
well-being, who preserves Nova Roma just as she preserved ancient
Rome, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time
of beginning, for the sake of this thing may you be honored by this
feast offering].
Libation of wine is made.

Hands are washed in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda esto,
macte vino inferio esto. [Iuppiter Best and Greatest, king of the
Gods, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be honored
by the humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

Iuno, regina Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino
inferio esto. [Iuno, queen of the Gods, may you be honored by this
feast offering, may you be honored by the humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

Minerva, sapientia aeterna, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte
vino inferio esto. [Minerva, eternal wisdom, may you be honored by
this feast offering, may you be honored by the humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

Salus, benefactrix Novae Romae, macte istace dape pollucenda esto,
macte vino inferio esto. [Salus, benefactrix of Nova Roma, may you be
honored by this feast offering, may you be honored by the humble
wine.]
Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

Quirine pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Mars pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Mars, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Iane pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto. [Father Ianus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Dea Vesta, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto. [Goddess
Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]
Libation of wine is made.

Illicet. [It is over.]

At this time I profaned some of the cakes and consumed it. I then
made some personal devotions, and then I reaffirmed my oath of office
that I had taken a few hours before (which I posted to the Nova Roma
main list).

Piaculum

I concluded with a piaculum to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno,
Miverva, and Salus in the event I might have done anything during the
ceremony that might be displeasing to the Immortals.

Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva et Salus, Di Immortales, si
quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam
peto et vitium meum expio. [Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno, Minerva,
and Salus, Immortal Gods, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing
to you, with this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]
Libation of wine is made.

[The text of this ritual is the same as the text used by Gn. Salvius
Astur on January 1st, 2004. I hope future consuls will continue this
tradition].

May the Immortal Gods of Rome bless the citizens and future Citizens
of Nova Roma.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41220 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Sacrifice Ceremony
Salve Gaia Galeria, et salvete quirites,

Gaia Galeria Aquila wrote:

> Very nice! I am impressed that you have immediately turned to the Gods for
> guidance.

Yes, it's a lovely custom. When Gn. Salvius Astur and I took office two
years ago he performed a similar ceremony at dawn on our inauguration
day. I'm pleased to see consul Modianus continuing the tradition.

Valete,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41221 From: Tim Gallagher Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Errata: Congratulations to the new Pretors
Salve C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS

Thank you very much and Congratulations on your election!!!


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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Oops!!!

Provincia Brasilia wants to congratulate Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus and Tiberius Galerius Paulinus for the election to Pretor office!

Valete
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41222 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Sacrifice Ceremony
Salve,



This is exactly why Nova Roma will succeed. When we seek the guidance of the
Gods, we are destined for greatness. I think our leaders are very wise.



Vale,



Gaia Galeria Aquila



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Of Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:56 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Consular Sacrifice Ceremony



Salve Gaia Galeria, et salvete quirites,

Gaia Galeria Aquila wrote:

> Very nice! I am impressed that you have immediately turned to the Gods for
> guidance.

Yes, it's a lovely custom. When Gn. Salvius Astur and I took office two
years ago he performed a similar ceremony at dawn on our inauguration
day. I'm pleased to see consul Modianus continuing the tradition.

Valete,

-- Marinus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41223 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Salvete:

I have to agree with Cato on this. When I was Tribune in 2004 I was
also a scribe to then Curule Aedile C. Iulius Scaurus. There was no
conflict then, and I see no conflict now.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul

On 1/2/06, gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
> C. Equitius Cato P. Memmio Albucio quiritibusque S.P.D.
>
> Salve et salvete.
>
> Thank you for your kind thoughts and I wish you and yours the same
> health and happiness in 2759.
>
> Now, a citizen is a citizen, regardless of Patrician or Plebeian
> class; in working with Vipsanius Agrippa on the new coin project I
> have found him to be extremely efficient, and thus find him eminently
> suitable for a position in my cohors.
>
> It is not unusual at all for there to be multiple offices held by
> citizens in our Republic; a quick glance over the past three years
> will give solid enough proof to that.
>
> Vipsanius Agrippa is not my client nor am I his patron; he owes
> nothing to me and I owe nothing to him; we plan to work together on
> specific jobs within my cohors, and if I ever make an action as Curule
> Aedile with which he cannot agree as Tribune of he Plebs, I have
> absolutely no doubt that he will veto it.
>
> Vale et valete,
>
> Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41224 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
C. Equitius Cato quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salvete omnes.

I would like to share a thought I had when responding to Memmius
Albucius regarding the actions of a magistrate in opposition to
another magistrate.

For some reason, there seems to be the overwhelming feeling that if
one magistrate (or any citizen, really) disagrees with another, there
must by necessity be bad feelings and hostility between them; if not
before the disagreement, then certainly after it. This is a perfect
foundation for a culture which breeds fear and distrust.

I would like to challenge us all to rid ourselves of this damaging and
unimaginative reaction; it is, and should be, the case that two
citizens can disagree, even very strongly, yet be perfectly capable of
being polite and even amicable towards each other in the midst of
their disagreement.

A perfect example is the relationship between Marca Hortensia and
myself. In person, and in general, I find her agreeable, intelligent,
humorous, and organized. I have disagreed very strongly and vocally
with some of her actions, and she with mine --- and we will do so in
the future as well, I am sure. But this has not led to a personal
dislike, or a personal grudge. It's just politics and personalities,
and we both respect each other's fundamental committment to the
well-being of the Republic.

I do not intend to hold either she or myself up as shining examples of
the Good, the True, or the Beautiuful, because I know that at least I
am a pain in the butt on a fairly regular basis. But I sincerely
believe that we can all benefit from not taking disagreements
personally, no matter how strenuously we may argue in the Forum.

Valete optime,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41225 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Sacrifice Ceremony
Salvete,

The ceremony was also performed at dawn, Rome time, last year by me
on behalh of Fr. Apulus Caesar and myself. This, therefore, is the
third year of the tradition.

Thanks to G. Iulius Scaurus who wrote the ceremony.

Valete,

G. Popillius Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
>
> Salve Gaia Galeria, et salvete quirites,
>
> Gaia Galeria Aquila wrote:
>
> > Very nice! I am impressed that you have immediately turned to
the Gods for
> > guidance.
>
> Yes, it's a lovely custom. When Gn. Salvius Astur and I took
office two
> years ago he performed a similar ceremony at dawn on our
inauguration
> day. I'm pleased to see consul Modianus continuing the tradition.
>
> Valete,
>
> -- Marinus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41227 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Salvete Ordinarii Novae Romae Quiritibus:



Ideally its best for all magistrates of the ordinari to wait until
one's imperium is formally recognized by the Comitia
Curiata....imperium is the compelling element behind the edict.

What I am saying of course does not apply to Plebian magistrates.

Valete
Pompeia Minucia Tiberia
Consul 2759 A.V.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41228 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Salve, C. Equitius Cato,



I think you definitely speak the words of truth from Apollo's very lips. We
must not take disagreements too seriously, because they will always arise
among people. Let's allow each other their opinions, and still treat each
other with love and understanding. Think what a world we're going to make
with this kind of attitude! Ponder the possibilities of what will happen
when people get along. Our world can be so much more than it is. We only
need to join hands and support our common goals.



Vale,



Gaia Galeria Aquila



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Of gaiusequitiuscato
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:05 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between
constit powers



C. Equitius Cato quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salvete omnes.

I would like to share a thought I had when responding to Memmius
Albucius regarding the actions of a magistrate in opposition to
another magistrate.

For some reason, there seems to be the overwhelming feeling that if
one magistrate (or any citizen, really) disagrees with another, there
must by necessity be bad feelings and hostility between them; if not
before the disagreement, then certainly after it. This is a perfect
foundation for a culture which breeds fear and distrust.

I would like to challenge us all to rid ourselves of this damaging and
unimaginative reaction; it is, and should be, the case that two
citizens can disagree, even very strongly, yet be perfectly capable of
being polite and even amicable towards each other in the midst of
their disagreement.

A perfect example is the relationship between Marca Hortensia and
myself. In person, and in general, I find her agreeable, intelligent,
humorous, and organized. I have disagreed very strongly and vocally
with some of her actions, and she with mine --- and we will do so in
the future as well, I am sure. But this has not led to a personal
dislike, or a personal grudge. It's just politics and personalities,
and we both respect each other's fundamental committment to the
well-being of the Republic.

I do not intend to hold either she or myself up as shining examples of
the Good, the True, or the Beautiuful, because I know that at least I
am a pain in the butt on a fairly regular basis. But I sincerely
believe that we can all benefit from not taking disagreements
personally, no matter how strenuously we may argue in the Forum.

Valete optime,

Cato






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41229 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Passing of Imperium
Salve consul Tiberia, et salvete quirites,

pompeia_minucia_tiberia wrote:

> Ideally its best for all magistrates of the ordinari to wait until
> one's imperium is formally recognized by the Comitia
> Curiata....imperium is the compelling element behind the edict.

The Lex de Imperio is currently being approved in the Comitia Curiata.
Pontifex Maximus Julianus has said that he'll probably post it today.
We got a late start because of the late election results.

That said, not all of the ordinarii have imperium. Only the consuls,
praetors and curule aediles are granted imperium by the Comitia Curiata.
All other magistrates have potestas (and in the case of censors and
tribunes, sanctitas) but not imperium.

Vale, et valete,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41230 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Quaestor Assigments
Salvete Magisterium Novae Romae:

For those who are wondering about Quaestor appointments, I have
received some letters and so has my colleague. Thank you This is part
of our discussions and we will make our decisions as soon as we are
able to do so.

I just wanted to keep you all posted.

Valete
Pompeia Minucia Tiberia
Consul 2759 A.V.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41231 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Passing of Imperium
C. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.

Salvete omnes!

You are getting sleepy...sleepy...oh so sleepy...now, repeat after me:

"Cato hasn't posted any edicts yet...Cato hasn't posted any edicts
yet...but he will later on as soon as he gets his
imperium...everything will be just fine..."


OK, did it work?

Valete bene,

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
wrote:
>
> Salve consul Tiberia, et salvete quirites,
>
> pompeia_minucia_tiberia wrote:
>
> > Ideally its best for all magistrates of the ordinari to wait until
> > one's imperium is formally recognized by the Comitia
> > Curiata....imperium is the compelling element behind the edict.
>
> The Lex de Imperio is currently being approved in the Comitia Curiata.
> Pontifex Maximus Julianus has said that he'll probably post it today.
> We got a late start because of the late election results.
>
> That said, not all of the ordinarii have imperium. Only the consuls,
> praetors and curule aediles are granted imperium by the Comitia
Curiata.
> All other magistrates have potestas (and in the case of censors and
> tribunes, sanctitas) but not imperium.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> -- Marinus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41232 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Passing of Imperium
Cato:

Edicts? What edicts are you talking about?

Vale;

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus


On 1/2/06, gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
> C. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> You are getting sleepy...sleepy...oh so sleepy...now, repeat after me:
>
> "Cato hasn't posted any edicts yet...Cato hasn't posted any edicts
> yet...but he will later on as soon as he gets his
> imperium...everything will be just fine..."
>
>
> OK, did it work?
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41233 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Passing of Imperium
Never let is be said that Nova Romans have no sense of humor. :-)



Velete,



Gaia Galeria Aquila



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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:55 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Passing of Imperium



C. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.

Salvete omnes!

You are getting sleepy...sleepy...oh so sleepy...now, repeat after me:

"Cato hasn't posted any edicts yet...Cato hasn't posted any edicts
yet...but he will later on as soon as he gets his
imperium...everything will be just fine..."


OK, did it work?

Valete bene,

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
wrote:
>
> Salve consul Tiberia, et salvete quirites,
>
> pompeia_minucia_tiberia wrote:
>
> > Ideally its best for all magistrates of the ordinari to wait until
> > one's imperium is formally recognized by the Comitia
> > Curiata....imperium is the compelling element behind the edict.
>
> The Lex de Imperio is currently being approved in the Comitia Curiata.
> Pontifex Maximus Julianus has said that he'll probably post it today.
> We got a late start because of the late election results.
>
> That said, not all of the ordinarii have imperium. Only the consuls,
> praetors and curule aediles are granted imperium by the Comitia
Curiata.
> All other magistrates have potestas (and in the case of censors and
> tribunes, sanctitas) but not imperium.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> -- Marinus
>







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41234 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: GRATIAS ET GRATULATIONES
Marcus Iulius Severus quiritibus omnibus, praesertim magistratibus novis, S.P.D.

I would like to join in congratulating all of the new magistrates, especially my dear colleage Aula Tulia Scholastica, and to thank both those who supported me and endorsed me in this forum and the citizens who voted for me.
Thank you very much for your support and your confidence in me as expressed by your votes. I shall perform the duties of Rogator to the best of my ability, for Nova Roma and her people.
Best wishes for an excellent new year to all.

Valete, optime,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41235 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Passing of Imperium
Cato Modiano S.P.D.

Salve consul.

Dunno what you're talking about. <cough>

vale optime,

Cato
<whistling a happy little tune as he strolls about the Forum not
issuing edicts>


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@g...> wrote:
>
> Cato:
>
> Edicts? What edicts are you talking about?
>
> Vale;
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41236 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: GRATIAS TIBI, MODIANVS
M. Iul. Severus G. Fabio Buteo Modiano omnibusque sal.

Thank you very much for your congratulations and your wishes, amice. I'll do my best to serve Nova Roma and her people.

Optime vale,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41237 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
A. Apollonius P. Memmio omnibusque sal.

> Precisely, on the scribes, do not you think that it
> is good for Res
> publica that :
>
> 1/ *plebeian* citizens be scribes for *Curule*
> aediles ;

Remember, P. Memmi, that "curule" does not mean
"patrician". Plebejans themselves can be aediles
curules, so it can hardly be a problem for a plebejan
to be a scribe to an aedilis curulis. In fact in
antiquity it was the custom that plebejans would be
aediles curules in alternate years, with patricians
holding the office in the years in between. There are
no civil offices from which plebejans are excluded.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41238 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
A. Apollonius Pompejae Minuciae omnibusque sal.

> Ideally its best for all magistrates of the ordinari
> to wait until
> one's imperium is formally recognized by the Comitia
> Curiata....imperium is the compelling element behind
> the edict.

It isn't: the power to issue edicta (the jus edicendi)
is part of the package of lesser magisterial powers
called "potestas". All magistrates have potestas
merely by virtue of their office, so they can issue
edicta from the moment they take office. Imperium is a
separate layer of powers. For more details see the lex
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41239 From: Tim Gallagher Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: OFF TOPIC The roof of an ice rink with about 50 people in
Salve Romans

AP

Updated: 11:48 a.m. ET Jan. 2, 2006

"The roof of an ice rink with about 50 people inside collapsed Monday after a heavy snowfall in a town in the Bavarian Alps, and a local Red Cross spokeswoman said several people were believed to have been killed. The accident happened about 4 p.m. in the town of Bad Reichenhall. Bavarian Red Cross spokeswoman Hanna Hutschenreiter said "several" people were believed dead."

My sincere condolence and prayers goes out to our German citizens. I hope all are safe.
My mothers German ancestors came from Bavaria.

Pax

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41240 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: EDICTVM AEDILEM CURULEM C. EQVITIVS CATO (redux)
Ex Officio Aedilis Curulis Gaii Equiti Catoni

EDICTVM AEDILEM CURULEM GAIO EQVITIO CATONI

De Creatione Scribarum

Ex hoc edicto, cives scribas meos una cum officiis privilegiisque
omnibus praescriptis legibus Novae Romae designo.
Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa et Marcus Lucretius Agricola scribae
creantur. Quidquam ius iurandum non poscentur.

Hoc edictum statim valet.

Datum sub manu mea postridie Kalendas Ianuarius MMDCCLIX ab urbe
condita Gaio Fabio Buteo Modiano Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo
consulibus.

**********************************************************************

On the Naming of Scribae

I hereby appoint the following citizens as my scribae, together
with all the obligations and privileges prescribed by the laws of Nova
Roma. Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa and Marcus Lucretius Agricola are
appointed scribae. They shall not be required to make any kind of oath.

This edict is effective immediately.

Given under my hand this second day of January 2759 a.u.c (A.D. 2006)
in the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia
Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41241 From: Timothy P. Gallagher Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Praetorian Edict I
Ex Officio Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor

Praetorian Edict I

I. According to Article IV section A. subsection 3e of the
Constitution of Nova Roma, the Praetors have the powers to appoint
scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other tasks, as
they shall see fit.

II Under the Lex Octavia de Sermone the Praetors are given the
responsibility and authority to govern the fora of Nova Roma
accordingly:

III. The Edictum Praetoricium IV - De Foro et Moderatione of
Praetor Marcus Iulius Perusianus issued on Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:34
and concerning the guidelines for the fora of Nova Roma shall
remain in effect until further notice.

IV. Last year's Praetors and their staff shall remain as moderators
of the fora of Nova-Roma until 31-01-2006 in order to insure a
smooth transition.

V. F. Galerius Aurelianus is appointed Scriba Praetorian Religio to
advise Praetor Tiberius Galerius Paulinus on matters pertaining to
the Religio Romana.

F. Galerius Aurelianus will also serve as a moderator of the fora of
Nova Roma.

VI . Diana Octavia Aventina is appointed Scriba to Praetor Tiberius
Galerius Paulinus and will serve as a moderator of the fora of Nova
Roma along with other duties as assigned.

This edict is effective immediately.

Given this the 2nd day of January 2759 a.u.c (2006 C.E.) at 7:07 pm
Roman time

In the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia
Tiberia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41242 From: marcushoratius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Fwd: Ius iurandum, Tribunus Plebis
--- In ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius"
<mhoratius@s...> wrote:

M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus Novae Romae salutem
plurinam dicit: Iubeo bono animo esse.

Sancrissima Mater, Ceres Ferentina, te appello, age adsta, mane,
audi: Pro Di immortales, ex mei animi sententia ut ego rem publicam
populi Novum Romanum deserere patiar.

Ego, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (John Joseph Reali), hac re
ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque
Novae Romae acturum esse solemniter iuro.

Ego, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (John Joseph Reali) officio
Tribuni Plebis Novae Romae accepto, Deos Deasque Romae in omnibus
meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica
privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (John Joseph Reali),
religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra
eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (John Joseph Reali)
officiis muneris Tribuni Plebiis me quam optime functurum esse
praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram Deis Deabusque populi, Romani,
et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Tribuni Plebiis una cum
iuriubus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.


Ferentinae, Aeterno Deo Iovi, Libero, Liberae, Florae, Apollini,
Dianae, Eponae, Deis Paterni Moravii, et Libertati, Pietati Fatiis
divinis quod bonum faustum felixque sit.

Ex Septimonio Akrone, Ohio in provincia Lacuu Magno IIII Nonae
Ianuariae AUC MMDCCLIX Gaio Fabio Buteo Modiano Pompeia Minucia
Tiberia consulibus.


_______________________

Most Holy Mother, Ceres Ferentina, to You I call, come, stand by me,
listen: Before the Gods Immortal, I swear with a deep conviction of
mind that I shall never allow myself to desert the Republic of the
people of Nova Roma.

I, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (John Joseph Reali), do
solemnly swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always
in the best interests of the people and senate of Nova Roma.

As Tribune of the Plebeians of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Moravius
Piscinus Horatianus (John Joseph Reali), swear to honour the Gods
and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (John Joseph Reali), swear to
uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova
Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status
as the State Religion.

I, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (John Joseph Reali), swear to
protect and defend the constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus (John Joseph Reali), further
swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office
of Consul to the best of my abilities.

On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges,
obligations and responsibilities attendant here to.

By Ceres Ferentina, by the Eternal God Jupiter, by Liber, Libera,
Flora, Apollo, Diana, Epona, You Gods and Goddesses of my family
Moravii, and by Liberty, Piety, and the divine Fates, may it be made
good, prosperous and happy


Sent from Akron, Ohio, in the provincia of Lacus Magni, 2 Jan. 2006,
in the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia
Tiberia Strabo

--- End forwarded message ---
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41243 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Many Congratulations
Salvete Romani,

The province of America Austroccidentalis heartily congratulates all
of Nova Roma's newly elected officials. May your terms be successful
and inspirational.

Valete bene,
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41244 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
P.Memmius Albucius Catoni aliisque s.d.

S.V.G.E.R.

Thanks for your quick answer and reflections. I have read, naturally,
the interesting precisions by Consul Athanasius, Hon. Galeria and Qu.
Cordus. The last one has been, specially, right to correct me if my
wording seemed to oppose plebeian and curule.

My main point was on the necessity, for the tribune of the plebs, to be
absolutely free. I fully understand the way you see your both relation.
I have appreciated enough both of you this year to be convinced that
either one or the other will bring in your relation the best of your
personality.

I just think that this separation between tribunate and other
magistracies is not a matter of (kind) people, but a matter of
principle and so - IMHO - that we should avoid such situations. For
awful systems always work when you have very wise people in office.
But, specially, laws and political systems are made to work when
average people are in office, or specially, when the worse situation
happens. That is, at this moment, that we see if the organization works
out.

You tell : "It is not unusual at all for there to be multiple offices
held by citizens in our Republic; a quick glance over the past three
years will give solid enough proof to that."

If you please let me differ, dear Cato, this is not a definitive
argument. Though, Consul Athanasius is confirming us this fact, which I
have never the idea of disputing or forgetting. The problem is not
here. For I would put two considerations forward : first, this is not
because we have always been wrong in our previous way of acting that we
must go on doing wrong. On this point, I think that we should try to
correct further and further our imperfections to get an "as close as
possible to ancient Rome system".

Second, this multiplicity of positions, honors, etc. seems to me not
very wealthy.

To close the special case here, I see a possible difficulty between the
mission of a scribe (roughly said "to work for the relevant
magistrate") and a possible position of a Tribune(including vetoing) :
whatever we see the question, a scribe must "obey" his/her magistrate,
what a vetoing tribune would deny. So, creating this possible
contradiction could create a possible illegal situation (either the
scribe does not fulfill her/his obligation, or the tribune is obliged
not applying her/his powers).

Then and last, the possible [ ;-) ]argument that would consist to
say : "well, good will NR citizens are not enough, so let us not be so
demanding" is not also, IMHO, a good one. If we cannot face the
important number of our offices with skilled/good willing citizens, and
without people occuying at the same time, several offices, let us say
frankly : "ok, ancient Rome worked like that, but with how many
millions of cives ?" And so, let us make smaller and with less
magistracies. In every efficient system, organization comes once the
resources defined, not the contrary.

Vale, et omnes.


P. Memmius Albucius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@g...>
wrote:

(..)

> It is not unusual at all for there to be multiple offices held by
> citizens in our Republic; a quick glance over the past three years
> will give solid enough proof to that.
>
> Vipsanius Agrippa is not my client nor am I his patron; he owes
> nothing to me and I owe nothing to him; we plan to work together on
> specific jobs within my cohors, and if I ever make an action as Curule
> Aedile with which he cannot agree as Tribune of he Plebs, I have
> absolutely no doubt that he will veto it.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41245 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
---Salve A. Apollonius Cordus et Salvete Ordinarii Quirites:

I am familiar with the lex. I wonder if it shouldn't be reviewed by
all magistrates.

Truly it should in the interests of making informed decision. Here's
the link:

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2004-06-03-iv.html

And I maintain my position and say that is is 'best' to wait until
the Ordinarii receive imperium to issue edicta, for the maximal
judgicial weight. Let the magistrates in question judge for
themselves.

You are correct in that they can issue edictum and they do have some
power with their potestas alone, but their edicta as such is like a
half-empty gas tank.

If they wish to follow your advice, they are free to do so.

As for me, in all conscience to suggest they issue lame edictae is
not an act of prudence, so I don't, in fairness and attention to
good governance.


Potestas is the power to compel "within the duties of the
magistrate" (see Lex above)...to compel maximally outside their
offices, veering into the realm of imposing on others, that is an
attribute of imperium. I am sure that they don't want to issue
statements with an ineffective or questionable degree of legal and
binding force, but that is up to them, at this point.

I might make statements too, as a matter of information or advice...
the legal weight is the issue here.

We should not be allowing confusion here between what is implied by
potestas of a Tribune of the Plebs with the potestas of a lesser
magistrate to simply act out of his own elected office. A Tribune's
potestas is sacrosainct. Ordinarii or lesser magistrates do not
have this embellished potestas, and I hope by this respondeo, they
are not thinking, by chance, they do.


I won't get into the religious implications of the Comitia Curiata
formally bestowing imperium through the Pontifex Maximus, save to
acknowledge them.

Pompeia Minucia Tiberia
Consul 2759 A.V.C.










In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
>
> A. Apollonius Pompejae Minuciae omnibusque sal.
>
> > Ideally its best for all magistrates of the ordinari
> > to wait until
> > one's imperium is formally recognized by the Comitia
> > Curiata....imperium is the compelling element behind
> > the edict.
>
> It isn't: the power to issue edicta (the jus edicendi)
> is part of the package of lesser magisterial powers
> called "potestas". All magistrates have potestas
> merely by virtue of their office, so they can issue
> edicta from the moment they take office. Imperium is a
> separate layer of powers. For more details see the lex
> Arminia Equitia.
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41246 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath Of Office
Salvete omnes,

I am all settled in an orientated now so I am pleased to take the
oath of office of Tribune.

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus Quiritibus Novae Romae salutem
plurinam dicit: Iubeo bono animo esse.

Sancrissima Mater, Ceres Ferentina, te appello, age adsta, mane,
audi: Pro Di immortales, ex mei animi sententia ut ego rem publicam
populi Novum Romanum deserere patiar.

Ego, Quintus Suetonius Paulinus(Michael Joseph Kelly), hac re
ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque
Novae Romae acturum esse solemniter iuro.

Ego, Quintus Suetonius Paulinus(Michael Joseph Kelly) officio
Tribuni Plebis Novae Romae accepto, Deos Deasque Romae in omnibus
meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica
privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, Quintus Suetonius Paulinus(Michael Joseph Kelly),
religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra
eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Valete bene,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41247 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus P. Memmio Albucio salutem dicit

I know you did not approve, as Tribune, of how my adoption was
handled, but that aside I must remind you that my name is not
Athanasius. It is Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, and I expect you to
address me accordingly.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul

On 1/2/06, P.M. Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
> P.Memmius Albucius Catoni aliisque s.d.
>
> S.V.G.E.R.
>
> Thanks for your quick answer and reflections. I have read, naturally,
> the interesting precisions by Consul Athanasius, Hon. Galeria and Qu.
> Cordus. The last one has been, specially, right to correct me if my
> wording seemed to oppose plebeian and curule.
>
> My main point was on the necessity, for the tribune of the plebs, to be
> absolutely free. I fully understand the way you see your both relation.
> I have appreciated enough both of you this year to be convinced that
> either one or the other will bring in your relation the best of your
> personality.
>
> I just think that this separation between tribunate and other
> magistracies is not a matter of (kind) people, but a matter of
> principle and so - IMHO - that we should avoid such situations. For
> awful systems always work when you have very wise people in office.
> But, specially, laws and political systems are made to work when
> average people are in office, or specially, when the worse situation
> happens. That is, at this moment, that we see if the organization works
> out.
>
> You tell : "It is not unusual at all for there to be multiple offices
> held by citizens in our Republic; a quick glance over the past three
> years will give solid enough proof to that."
>
> If you please let me differ, dear Cato, this is not a definitive
> argument. Though, Consul Athanasius is confirming us this fact, which I
> have never the idea of disputing or forgetting. The problem is not
> here. For I would put two considerations forward : first, this is not
> because we have always been wrong in our previous way of acting that we
> must go on doing wrong. On this point, I think that we should try to
> correct further and further our imperfections to get an "as close as
> possible to ancient Rome system".
>
> Second, this multiplicity of positions, honors, etc. seems to me not
> very wealthy.
>
> To close the special case here, I see a possible difficulty between the
> mission of a scribe (roughly said "to work for the relevant
> magistrate") and a possible position of a Tribune(including vetoing) :
> whatever we see the question, a scribe must "obey" his/her magistrate,
> what a vetoing tribune would deny. So, creating this possible
> contradiction could create a possible illegal situation (either the
> scribe does not fulfill her/his obligation, or the tribune is obliged
> not applying her/his powers).
>
> Then and last, the possible [ ;-) ]argument that would consist to
> say : "well, good will NR citizens are not enough, so let us not be so
> demanding" is not also, IMHO, a good one. If we cannot face the
> important number of our offices with skilled/good willing citizens, and
> without people occuying at the same time, several offices, let us say
> frankly : "ok, ancient Rome worked like that, but with how many
> millions of cives ?" And so, let us make smaller and with less
> magistracies. In every efficient system, organization comes once the
> resources defined, not the contrary.
>
> Vale, et omnes.
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41248 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: AQUILA SUBMITTALS, ETC.
Salvete omnes,

Congratulations to all the new magistrates (besides myself) and a big thank-you to all of you who supported and or voted for me. I will not let you down as Editor Commentarorium. The first issue will be coming out at the end of March and will include at least one of the Pater Patriae (Founding Fathers) Interview, if not both. If anyone would like to have an article included in this, the first 2006 issue of "Aquila" the official quarterly newsletter of Nova Roma please send me your finished manuscript via e-mail, including any attachments to senseiphil@...

Please, since this is a Nova Roma publication, no macro-world off-topic articles will be accepted. Scholarly articles, interviews of interest, travelogues such as those that include personal descriptions of places of interest to Nova Romans, poetry, short works of fiction or anything else of interest to Nova Roman readers will be considered for publication, especially Roman Horoscope ;-)

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus aka Sensei Phil Perez, Renshi, B.A., L.M.T.
Miles - Legio III Cyrenaica
Preafectus Gladitorium - Sodalitas Militarium Novae Romae
Editor Commentarorium - Aquila Novae Romae
Legatus - Regio Maine / Provincia Nova Britannia / Nova Roma
www.northerncrane.net

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41249 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
C. Equitius Cato P. Minucuiae-Tiberiae Straboni quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Pompeia Strabo, you wrote:

"You are correct in that they can issue edictum and they do have some
power with their potestas alone, but their edicta as such is like a
half-empty gas tank."

Consul, you have overlooked the very simple language of the lex Armina
Equitia de Imperio:

"Ius edicendi, the power to issue edicts and nominate scribes." (lex
Armina &c. I.B)

This is under the section "potestas", which is entirely seperate from
tribunician potestas --- the two have nothing to do with each other.
There is no indication that the potestas of a magistrate is impaired
or impeded in any way (i.e., "half-empty"); in fact, the lex
constitutiva (the highest legal authority we have, and which
supersedes any and all other leges) itself gives curule aediles the right

"To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other
tasks, as they shall see fit." (Constitution of Nova Roma IV.5.c)

So, I have pronounced an edict in accordance with both the law and the
Constitution "as [I] saw fit". There is no legal question of its
authority or weight; it does not "veer" anywhere, nor does it "impose"
anything on anyone other than what the law defines as legal and
appropriate.

Vale et valete,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41250 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
C. Equitius Cato P. Memmio Albucio quititibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Your concern that governmental systems should be geared towards
functioning best under "average" people is, I think, unfounded and
highly pessimistic. It seems to say that we should strive for the
lowest common denominator in order to simply preserve the basic
details of governance. I would answer that we should continually
strive to make our government become better, greater, more able ---
and therefore should seek out those from whom we can demand even
greater service, whether they be patrician or pleb. Perhaps this is
overly *optimistic*, but I refuse to give up that belief :-)

You are correct in pointing out that just because something has
happened in the past does not make it right --- I have in fact offered
that same opinion on numerous occasions. I used this evidence simply
because you seemed to think it was an unusual occurrence for a citizen
to hold multiple offices, and in fact it is not. As the consul
Modianus has pointed out, there was in fact this exact kind of
arrangement at least once before, and it has shown to be beneficial to
the Republic.

And again, to your last point, I cannot imagine a situation in which I
would act in a way that a tribune, working on a project for me or not,
would find unacceptable and yet do nothing. If there is any legacy,
any kind of political theory I would hope to pass on to anyone, it is
that acting according to conscience no matter what other parties are
involved is more important than playing any kind of subservient role
to curry favor. I expect --- no, *demand* --- that if I fail in my
duties, if I act contrary to the laws or Constitution, that I be held
accountable for it --- and especially by those from whom I am asking
their time, abilities, and service.

If there is any citizen who wishes to become more involved in the
performance of the Aedilician cohors, I encourage you to write to me
and express your interest --- there is more than enough work to go
around! The Macellum, the Games, the Aedilician Fund, the Magna Mater
Project, the Aedilician courts...between Iulius Sabinus and I, we will
keep you on your toes.

Vale et valete,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41251 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Congratulations to the new magistrates and senators
AVETE OMNES

I wish to express my warmest congratulations to all of the winners of
these elections, as well as to the newly appointed Senatores.
I am sure it will be another good year for Nova Roma!

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Senator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41252 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
P. Memmius Albucius Catoni Cordo Consuli Straboni s.d.

Potestas and imperium are 2 different things, and Cordus have very
well resumed all the question. Please see his post above.

Aedilis Cato has wisely concluded the point : let us all apply the
constitution. Simply. So any magistrate may issue edicta from this
1st Ian. 2759 auc, as provincial governors may.

Valete omnes,

P. Memmius Albucius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@g...>
wrote:

(..)
> Pompeia Strabo, you wrote:
>
> "You are correct in that they can issue edictum and they do have
some
> power with their potestas alone, but their edicta as such is like a
> half-empty gas tank."
>
> Consul, you have overlooked the very simple language of the lex
Armina
> Equitia de Imperio:
>
> "Ius edicendi, the power to issue edicts and nominate scribes." (lex
> Armina &c. I.B)
>
> (..) in fact, the lex
> constitutiva (the highest legal authority we have, and which
> supersedes any and all other leges) itself gives curule aediles the
right
>
> "To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other
> tasks, as they shall see fit." (Constitution of Nova Roma IV.5.c)
>
> So, I have pronounced an edict in accordance with both the law and
the
> Constitution "as [I] saw fit". There is no legal question of its
> authority or weight; it does not "veer" anywhere, nor does
it "impose"
> anything on anyone other than what the law defines as legal and
> appropriate.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41253 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
P. Memmius Albucius Catoni Cordo Consuli Straboni s.d.

Potestas and imperium are 2 different things, and Cordus have very
well resumed all the question. Please see his post above.

Aedilis Cato has wisely concluded the point : let us all apply the
constitution. Simply. So any magistrate may issue edicta from this
1st Ian. 2759 auc, as provincial governors may.

Valete omnes,

P. Memmius Albucius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@g...>
wrote:

(..)
> Pompeia Strabo, you wrote:
>
> "You are correct in that they can issue edictum and they do have
some
> power with their potestas alone, but their edicta as such is like a
> half-empty gas tank."
>
> Consul, you have overlooked the very simple language of the lex
Armina
> Equitia de Imperio:
>
> "Ius edicendi, the power to issue edicts and nominate scribes." (lex
> Armina &c. I.B)
>
> (..) in fact, the lex
> constitutiva (the highest legal authority we have, and which
> supersedes any and all other leges) itself gives curule aediles the
right
>
> "To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other
> tasks, as they shall see fit." (Constitution of Nova Roma IV.5.c)
>
> So, I have pronounced an edict in accordance with both the law and
the
> Constitution "as [I] saw fit". There is no legal question of its
> authority or weight; it does not "veer" anywhere, nor does
it "impose"
> anything on anyone other than what the law defines as legal and
> appropriate.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41254 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: IVS IVRANDVM (OATH OF OFFICE) - M. IVL. SEVERVS, ROGATOR
Marcus Iulius Severus Quiritibus S.P.D.

Ego, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), hac re ipsa
decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque
Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), officio
Rogator Novae Romae accepto, Deos Deasque Romae in omnibus meae
vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica
privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), Religioni
Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius
statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza) officiis
muneris Rogator me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram Deis Deabusque Populi Romani,
et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Rogator una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always
in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis
Gutiérrez Esparza), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome
in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public
and private life.

I, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), swear to uphold
and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma
and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as
the State Religion.

I, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), swear to protect
and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Rogator to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Rogator and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Sworn this day, January 2 in the consulship of G. Fabius Buteo
Modianus and Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yo, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), juro
solemnemente defender el honor y la integridad de Nova Roma y
actuar siempre en favor de los mejores intereses del pueblo y el
Senado de Nova Roma.

Como magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis
Gutiérrez Esparza), juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Nova Roma
en mis funciones públicas y apegarme a las Virtudes Romanas, tanto
en mi vida pública como en la privada.

Yo, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), juro
salvaguardar y defender la Religio Romana como religión del Estado
de Nova Roma y juro que jamás actuaré de manera tal, que amenace su
calidad de religión del Estado.

Yo, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), juro proteger y
defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.

Yo, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), juro asimismo
cumplir las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Rogator,
al máximo de mis capacidades.

Por mi honor como ciudadano de Nova Roma y en presencia de los
Dioses y Diosas del pueblo romano y por su gracia y favor, acepto
con este juramento el cargo de Rogator, con todos sus derechos,
privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades.

Jurado este día, 2 de enero de 2006, en el consulado de G. Fabius
Buteo Modianus y Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.

M•IVL•SEVERVS
ROGATOR•ELECTVS
SCRIBA•CENSORIS•GEM
MVSÆVS•COLLEGII•ERATOVS•SODALITATIS•MVSARVM
SOCIVS•CHORI•MVSARVM
PROVINCIA•MEXICO•NOVƕROMƕSPQR

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41255 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Quaestor Assignments
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Ex Officio

The Quaestors of Nova Roma are hereby assigned to the following magistrates:

Consul
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus: Titus Flavius Vespasianus
Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo: Caius Arminius Reccanellus

Praetor
Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: Titus Marcius Felix

Curule Aedile
Gaius Equitius Cato: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Titus Iulius Sabinus: Marcus Iulius Perusianus

Plebian Aedile
Julilla Sempronia Magna: Quintus Fabius Allectus
Marca Hortensia Maior: Aulus Apollonius Cordus

These assignments shall be effective immediately.

02 January 2759 (2006)

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus & Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo
Consuls
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41256 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office
I, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa (Clint Johnson), do solemnly swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the best interests of the people and senate of Nova Roma.

As Tribune of the Plebeians of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa (Clint Johnson), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Vipsanuis Agrippa (Clint Johnson), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa (Clint Johnson), swear to protect and defend the constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa (Clint Johnson), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Tribune of the Plebeians to the best of my abilities.

On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations and responsibilities attendant here to.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41257 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath of Tribunus Plebis
Oath of Tribunus Plebis


I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), do solemnly
swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act
always in the best interests of the people and senate
of Nova Roma.

As Tribune of the Plebeians of Nova Roma, I, Marcus
Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), swear to honour the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and
to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
life.

I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), swear to
uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State
Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way
that would threaten its status
as the State Religion.

I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), swear to
protect and defend the constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), further
swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities
of the office of Consul to the best of my abilities.

On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the
presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people
and by their will and favor, do I accept the position
of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations
and responsibilities attendant thereto.










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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41258 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
---Salvete P. Memmius Albucius et C. Equitius Cato:

I am not saying that they cannot issue edicta......I still can't
find where I wrote that, you know...but the edicta they issue may
not carry the weight it could or should legally. And so I am
suggesting that it might be best not to.

I don't think loricae and pila need to be employed here, really :)

Now for magistrates of the Ordinarii to appoint scribae and that
sort of thing...to make statements about how one will handle
things...such is fine with potestas....if one is, however, making
policies to carry the maximum legal effectiveness, potestas and
imperium are the more ideal under which to operate.

Two edicta with great impact on the entire populace that are often
renewed or modified are those of Curule Aedile re Macellum policies
and the Praetoral list guidelines.


Let me cite some application: If I, as a newly elected ordinarii,
wanted to renew the edicta of my magisterial predecessor, as per the
Lex Arminia de Ratione Edictas (2002)

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-11-24-v.html

It remains valid for a bit into the new year. I have a specified
timeperiod (see the link) into the new year to advise the Praetores
of such. Either that or the edictum dies and I redo another one,
even if it is the existing one...I am obligated to renew it.

In either case, I would wait until I had the same 'degree' of
authority as my predecessor....to wit, I would wait for my imperium.
In all likelihood, my predecessor's edictum was issued as an
imperium bearing magistrate....if I didn't have imperium just yet,
merely potestas, and knowing that imperium bears the greater legal
weight, how can I justify either adopting or nullifying the edictum
of one with a greater weight of power, even if I am the incoming
magistrate of the same elected position...praetor, consul, etc.?

Why I exercise caution.


The lex Arminia Equitia of 2004 discussed earlier today, defines the
degrees of magisterial power...potestas, imperium et al and
describes what is entailed therein. And generally one cannot repeal
the edicta issued by a magistrate with a greater degree of legal
weight than others. And this law, being the more recent one, has
some impact on the interpretation of the Lex Arminia de Ratione
Edicta, the least recent....and of course the constitutional
language.

If I were going to attempt to renew anything, or replace an existing
legislation, I have to have the same legal authority as the
magistrate issuing the legislation, for it to be legally
successful. And to be maximally successful, as an one of the
Ordinarii making legislative policy, I would need my imperium for
that.

Again, I believe I said 'ideally' its best. Still do believe that
based on what I read.

I have already indicated that the magistrates may read the law and
act according to their own judgement and conscience. And if they are
within their legal parameters this is fine. I just don't want to
see people have to reissue edicts unnecessarily if it can be
avoided. Or for them to be disputed down the line. If they are
farsighed enough to see that no difficulties will be encountered,
then this is fine too, and so much the better.

Valete
Pompeia







Also,


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "P.M. Albucius" <albucius_aoe@h...>
wrote:
>
> P. Memmius Albucius Catoni Cordo Consuli Straboni s.d.
>
> Potestas and imperium are 2 different things, and Cordus have very
> well resumed all the question. Please see his post above.
>
> Aedilis Cato has wisely concluded the point : let us all apply the
> constitution. Simply. So any magistrate may issue edicta from this
> 1st Ian. 2759 auc, as provincial governors may.
>
> Valete omnes,
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
<mlcinnyc@g...>
> wrote:
>
> (..)
> > Pompeia Strabo, you wrote:
> >
> > "You are correct in that they can issue edictum and they do have
> some
> > power with their potestas alone, but their edicta as such is
like a
> > half-empty gas tank."
> >
> > Consul, you have overlooked the very simple language of the lex
> Armina
> > Equitia de Imperio:
> >
> > "Ius edicendi, the power to issue edicts and nominate scribes."
(lex
> > Armina &c. I.B)
> >
> > (..) in fact, the lex
> > constitutiva (the highest legal authority we have, and which
> > supersedes any and all other leges) itself gives curule aediles
the
> right
> >
> > "To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and
other
> > tasks, as they shall see fit." (Constitution of Nova Roma IV.5.c)
> >
> > So, I have pronounced an edict in accordance with both the law
and
> the
> > Constitution "as [I] saw fit". There is no legal question of its
> > authority or weight; it does not "veer" anywhere, nor does
> it "impose"
> > anything on anyone other than what the law defines as legal and
> > appropriate.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41259 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office of QUAESTOR
OATH OF OFFICE OF QUAESTOR CN. CORNELIUS LENTULUS

Avete, Novi Romani Qurites!

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus (Attila Gonda), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.
Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, officio _Quaestoris_ Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.
Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, officiis muneris _Quaestoris_ me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus _Quaestoris_ una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO


-ENGLISH VERSION:

I, _Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus (Attila Gonda)_ do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, _Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus_ swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, _Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus_ swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, _Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus_ swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, _Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus_ further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of _Quaestor_ to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of _Quaestor_ and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


Valete, Novi Romani Quirites!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
QUAESTOR NOVAE ROMAE




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41260 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
Salve Consul Tiberia,

pompeia_minucia_tiberia wrote:

> I am not saying that they cannot issue edicta......I still can't
> find where I wrote that, you know...but the edicta they issue may
> not carry the weight it could or should legally.

They will. The Lex de Imperio is dated Kal. Ian. It simply hasn't yet
been posted. But I can assure you that a majority of the Lictors of the
Comitia Curiata have already approved it.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41261 From: Avv. Claudio Guzzo Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: fasti
Salve.
About

< Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:41:53 -0500
From: "Q. Caecilius Metellus" <metellus@...>
Subject: Fasti Ianuarii

Q. Metellus Quiritibus sal.

For the month of January:

1 Kal. Ian. A F
(omissis)
Note: This is not the official calendar. A vote to confirm the official
calendar has been called by the Collegium Pontificum, and the results
shall be posted within the next two weeks. In the calendar above, the
Lex Hortensia is observed, with nundinae falling on the C nundinal letter.

*For discussion on the name of this day, see Scullard, H.H. _Festivals
and Ceremonies of the Roman Republic_. c1981, Thames and Hudson. p.
60-61, among others.
(omissis)
Optime Valete et Felicem Annum Novum,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus,
Pontifex>
Please, could you write the official calendar in Italian too?
It is important that every day and every festival will be described; could
you send to me the Regula of it?
Valete
ACC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41262 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: fasti
Salve ACC,

Avv. Claudio Guzzo wrote:
[about the calendar posted by Pontifex Metellus]
> Please, could you write the official calendar in Italian too?
> It is important that every day and every festival will be described; could
> you send to me the Regula of it?

I'm forwarding your request to the Decuria of Interpreters. I think we
still have an active Interpreter who is fluent in Italian. With luck
that person will be able to help you.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41263 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
---Salve Equitius Censor et Salvete Omnes:

Excellent. Good to know.

...This being the case, this whole discussion may be considered
legally and academically informative, but otherwise moot.

Thank you for the information regarding the status and date of the
Lex de Imperio.

Valete
Pompeia Minucia Tiberia
Consul



In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
wrote:
>
> Salve Consul Tiberia,
>
> pompeia_minucia_tiberia wrote:
>
> > I am not saying that they cannot issue edicta......I still can't
> > find where I wrote that, you know...but the edicta they issue
may
> > not carry the weight it could or should legally.
>
> They will. The Lex de Imperio is dated Kal. Ian. It simply
hasn't yet
> been posted. But I can assure you that a majority of the Lictors
of the
> Comitia Curiata have already approved it.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41264 From: Rob Sullivan Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office - Titus Licinius Crassus
I, Titus Licinius Crassus (Robert Y. Sullivan) do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Titus Licinius Crassus, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Titus Licinius Crassus, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Titus Licinius Crassus, swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Licinius Crassus, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Praetor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41265 From: os390account Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Thanks & Oath!!!
Quintus Valerius Callidus Quiritibus S.P.D.

I would like to thank all those who voted for me for the position of
Magister Aranearius, and I would like to extend my special thanks to
those who endorsed me for this esteemed position.

I will endeavor to continue the fine work of my predecessors, and I
will formally take up the reins of my office as soon as possible.

Gratias vobis ago.

Valete!
Q. Valerius Callidus

-- Oath Below --

Ego, Quintus Valerius Callidus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse
sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Quintus Valerius Callidus, officio Magistri Aranearii Novae
Romae accepto, Deos Deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae
temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me
persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Quintus Valerius Callidus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam
defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse,
ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Quintus Valerius Callidus officiis muneris Magistri Aranearii
me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram Deis Deabusque Populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Magistri Aranearii una cum
iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41266 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTVM C. EQVITIVS CATO and relations between constit powers
> A. Tullia Scholastica P. Memmio Albucio quiritibusque omnibus S.P.D.
>
> P. Memmius Albucius Catoni omnibusque
>
> S.V.G.E.R.
>
> Please find first, dear Cato, all my sincere wishes for 2759, to you,
> your familia and your team.
>
> Precisely, on the scribes, do not you think that it is good for Res
> publica that :
>
> 1/ *plebeian* citizens be scribes for *Curule* aediles ;
>
> ATS: Please allow me to point out that ALL citizens approved this past
> year have been plebeians, and that such a stricture would make all of them
> ineligible to serve as assistants to curule magistrates. That is hardly fair.
> The only patrician citizens are those who were admitted to patrician gentes
> before the Lex Familiaris went into effect, who have been born to patrician
> families, or who have held curule magistracies. I strongly suspect that none
> of those in category two, born to patrician families, is old enough to assist
> any magistrate, as all born since the founding of NR are minors...and the ones
> I know about are barely old enough to talk, if that.
>
> 2/ a *tribune* be asked to be such a scriba ?
>
> I think that, on the second point, a tribunus must be free of *every
> depending link*, for he may veto *every other magistrate* edict/act.
> What will occur if Hon. Vipsanius have to examinate such a
> possibility ?
>
> I would suggest you and Tribune Agrippa reconsider this point of view.
>
> Furthermore, the more we avoid crossing responsibilities in public
> offices, the best it is.
>
> Optime vale, Aedile.
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> Leg. Lugd. Galliae
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@g...>
> wrote:
>
>> > EDICTVM AEDILEM CURULEM GAIO EQVITIO CATONI
>
> (..)
>
>> > On the Naming of Scribae
>
>> > I hereby appoint the following citizens as my scribae, (..) Gaius
> Vipsanius Agrippa and Marcus Lucretius Agricola are
>> >appointed scribae.
>
>
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41267 From: P.M. Albucius Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
P. Memmius Albucius Consuli Pompeiae s.d.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, you wrote:

(..)
> I am not saying that they cannot issue edicta......I still can't
> find where I wrote that, you know...but the edicta they issue may
> not carry the weight it could or should legally. And so I am
> suggesting that it might be best not to.

Independantly to the precision brought by Censor Marinus, I think, in
my humble opinion and full respect, that you are confouding potestas
and imperium. Once a magistrate is elected/designated, he/she has
potestas = governement/administrative power. This power authorizes
her/him to make acts, whose form is an edictum. Edicta could be oral,
but a written support is naturally better as a proof of the act and
for its enforcement.

Imperium is about enforcement and primacy. This notion tells us who
may force [enforcement] who [primacy] to act according her/his will.
If we let aside the imperium militiae (war affairs), the imperium
domi (civil affairs)thus speaks to how X may, in case of conflict
with another magistrate or a citizen, force the relevant individual
to obey the cum imperio magistrate's point of view.


(..)[snip]

> Let me cite some application: If I, as a newly elected ordinarii,

You may use the feminine singular ("ordinaria", masc. "ordinarius").


> I wanted to renew the edicta of my magisterial predecessor,
(..) [snip]
>Either that or the edictum dies and I redo another one,
> even if it is the existing one...I am obligated to renew it.
>
> In either case, I would wait until I had the same 'degree' of
> authority as my predecessor....to wit, I would wait for my
imperium.
> In all likelihood, my predecessor's edictum was issued as an
> imperium bearing magistrate....if I didn't have imperium just yet,
> merely potestas, and knowing that imperium bears the greater legal
> weight, how can I justify either adopting or nullifying the edictum
> of one with a greater weight of power,

I see your point. But I think that we must not forget the following
subtility. The imperium does not concern the form of the act
(edictum), but the magistrate her/him-self. So, you may issue an
edict, even nullifying a previous (other magistrate's one)from the
moment you enter in office and if you are authorized to do that by
the constitution first and second by the current laws. As long as any
(new possible) legal disposition does not say "Consuls (or X) must
wait for getting the imperium", the application of ancient notion of
imperium/potestas allows you to act like that.

So, let us now suppose that a conflict occurs between you and X,
another magistrate. [Note that your consular will may not be
absolutely expressed through an edictum. From the moment your will is
clearly expressed, it works.]Let us say you issue an edict today,
before the coming lex de imperio is voted, published and come in
force.
You will just have to wait for this publishing if you want to impose
your will to X. But the validity of your edict(-um)is full from its
issue.


> The lex Arminia Equitia of 2004 discussed earlier today, (..)
> And this law, being the more recent one, has some impact on the
>interpretation of the Lex Arminia de Ratione Edicta, the least
>recent....and of course the constitutional language.

As long as we keep a constitution, its wording and interpretation is
not subject to modifications by new laws (here Arminia Equitia). We
could issue 10 new leges saying the opposite, the constitution would
prevail on them.

(..) [snip]


Vale, Consul.


P. Memmius Albucius




>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "P.M. Albucius" <albucius_aoe@h...>
> wrote:
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius Catoni Cordo Consuli Straboni s.d.
> >
> > Potestas and imperium are 2 different things, and Cordus have
very
> > well resumed all the question. Please see his post above.
> >
> > Aedilis Cato has wisely concluded the point : let us all apply
the
> > constitution. Simply. So any magistrate may issue edicta from
this
> > 1st Ian. 2759 auc, as provincial governors may.
> >
> > Valete omnes,
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
> <mlcinnyc@g...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > (..)
> > > Pompeia Strabo, you wrote:
> > >
> > > "You are correct in that they can issue edictum and they do
have
> > some
> > > power with their potestas alone, but their edicta as such is
> like a
> > > half-empty gas tank."
> > >
> > > Consul, you have overlooked the very simple language of the lex
> > Armina
> > > Equitia de Imperio:
> > >
> > > "Ius edicendi, the power to issue edicts and nominate scribes."
> (lex
> > > Armina &c. I.B)
> > >
> > > (..) in fact, the lex
> > > constitutiva (the highest legal authority we have, and which
> > > supersedes any and all other leges) itself gives curule aediles
> the
> > right
> > >
> > > "To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and
> other
> > > tasks, as they shall see fit." (Constitution of Nova Roma
IV.5.c)
> > >
> > > So, I have pronounced an edict in accordance with both the law
> and
> > the
> > > Constitution "as [I] saw fit". There is no legal question of
its
> > > authority or weight; it does not "veer" anywhere, nor does
> > it "impose"
> > > anything on anyone other than what the law defines as legal and
> > > appropriate.
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41268 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: On the Naming of Scribae: Aedilis Plebis
I hereby appoint Caius Curius Saturnius as my scriba, together
with all the obligations and privileges prescribed by the laws of Nova
Roma. He shall not be required to make any kind of oath.

This edict is effective immediately.

Given under my hand this second day of January 2759 a.u.c (2 January,
2006) in the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia
Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.
--
Julilla Sempronia Magna, Senator
Aedilis Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41269 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Re: fasti
> A. Tullia Scholastica Censori Cn. Equitio Marino quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Salve ACC,
>
> Avv. Claudio Guzzo wrote:
> [about the calendar posted by Pontifex Metellus]
>> > Please, could you write the official calendar in Italian too?
>> > It is important that every day and every festival will be described; could
>> > you send to me the Regula of it?
>
> I'm forwarding your request to the Decuria of Interpreters. I think we
> still have an active Interpreter who is fluent in Italian. With luck
> that person will be able to help you.
>
> ATS: Unfortunately, the person listed as interpreter of Italian did not
> respond to my invitation to join the new mailing list for the decuria of
> interpreters, so I assume that she is either no longer among us or is no
> longer interested in this function. I was also unable to ascertain the e-mail
> address of the Afrikaans interpreter so that he could be invited. The older
> list is effectively defunct; no one could be added, so I started a new one.
>
> It is highly advantageous for these official documents to be available in
> the various languages, but our laws require only that they be available in
> English, the official business language, and/or Latin, the official ceremonial
> language. Moreover, this calendar is not official; when an official calendar
> is issued, perhaps someone would be so good as to translate it.
>
> -- Marinus
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41270 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2006-01-02
Subject: Management of mailing lists
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
<fororom@l...> wrote:
>

> The older
> list is effectively defunct; no one could be added, so I started a
> new one.


M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

This brings to mind a recent situation.

Not long ago I joined a Nova Roma list that had been set (wisely) to
put new members on moderation (as an anti-spam measure). This list has
only one moderator, the list owner. This list owner is not checking
the list, so after two weeks my first post to that list was rejected
automatically.

Personally I find the situation I describe above, and the situation A.
Tullia Scholastica describes, if I understand it rightly, to be
inexcusable. No list should ever face this situation. It is a horrible
waste of time and resources to be forced to start over simply because
an owner has failed to have a simple care for the future and
continuity of a group.

Yahoo Groups now permits more than one "owner" per group and has
always let the owner assign moderator duties, letting the owner decide
on a case-by-case basis exactly what each moderator is allowed to do.

I urge all Group owners who may not yet have done so to select a
co-owner or at least to select enough moderators to guarantee that
even should they be unable to continue caring for their groups that
the group itself can continue functioning properly.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41271 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: The Republic and the Law
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes.

Quirites, ecce et videte magistratii sui! It is, I believe, a
hallmark of a vibrant community that we should discuss the application
of our law with such diligence and detail.

To some it might be obscure and irrelevant, but remember, I beg you,
that the greatest legacy with which ancient Rome has graced our
present existence is perhaps the development and execution of the law;
a law for all its citizens, and a guide and foundation for
jurisprudence throughout the millenia since the foundation of the City.

Valete bene,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41272 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Management of mailing lists
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Lucretio Agricolae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> omnibus S.P.D.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
> <fororom@l...> wrote:
>> >
>
>> > The older
>> > list is effectively defunct; no one could be added, so I started a
>> > new one.
>
>
> M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.
>
> This brings to mind a recent situation.
>
> Not long ago I joined a Nova Roma list that had been set (wisely) to
> put new members on moderation (as an anti-spam measure). This list has
> only one moderator, the list owner. This list owner is not checking
> the list, so after two weeks my first post to that list was rejected
> automatically.
>
> ATS: Yes, it really is essential either to require moderation for at
> least the first post (an option) or to restrict membership, as this helps keep
> spammers out. Yahoo rejects the posts automatically after two weeks, but
> often membership isn¹t conferred in that time, either. That seems to be what
> happened with the other interpreters¹ list; the previously active owner had to
> make an intercity move, and disappeared.
>
> Personally I find the situation I describe above, and the situation A.
> Tullia Scholastica describes, if I understand it rightly, to be
> inexcusable. No list should ever face this situation. It is a horrible
> waste of time and resources to be forced to start over simply because
> an owner has failed to have a simple care for the future and
> continuity of a group.
>
> ATS: Yes, it¹s unfortunate. The activity level on some of the lists,
> however, is so low that few would notice the absence thereof, especially when
> a small group is involved. There are only a few interpreters, and I have been
> unable to contact some of those who are listed as such. Another seems to have
> disappeared since I or anyone else had contact with him.
>
>
> Yahoo Groups now permits more than one "owner" per group and has
> always let the owner assign moderator duties, letting the owner decide
> on a case-by-case basis exactly what each moderator is allowed to do.
>
> ATS: Yes, though only the ³owner² has full privileges.
>
> I urge all Group owners who may not yet have done so to select a
> co-owner or at least to select enough moderators to guarantee that
> even should they be unable to continue caring for their groups that
> the group itself can continue functioning properly.
>
> ATS: It¹s my understanding that a rather important NR board is adrift...I
> won¹t specify which one lest spam appear there. Rest assured that the ML and
> its nearly 1200 members (almost twice as many as just two years ago) have
> PLENTY of moderators‹I hope that all of them have the sense of propriety which
> will allow them to determine which posts should NOT be allowed. Offhand, I¹d
> say that less than one percent of the posts is rejected, and fewer still
> deleted‹and most of those which are deleted are outright spam. Some others
> rejected or deleted are inflammatory, and should indeed be refused.
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica,
> Moderatrix of many Yahoo boards...and owner of a couple
>
>
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41273 From: Maior Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Management of mailing lists
M.Hortensia Maior A. Tulliae Scholasticae spd;
I had meant to tell you what splendid news it is to hear
how vibrant the Latintitas list is! It truly reflects your fine
efforts, care, and ability, as moderatrix there. The same for the
ML..I was suprised to read the numbers but very happy. Ego Felica
sum ; gratias tibi ago.
optime vale
Marca Hortensia Maior
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica,
> > Moderatrix of many Yahoo boards...and owner of a couple
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41274 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Salvete omnes,

Now it's finally here! The long waiting has ended!

ROMAN WALL CALENDARS FOR THIS YEAR ARE ON SALE NOW!

My deepest apologies for not being able to get them on sale sooner,
but unexpected things happen when many people are involved in the
process. In any case, it's about time for everyone to buy calendar
for this year, and a Roman one is the best one if you ask my opinion!

The calendar is A4 size, full color with beautiful photos from Rome,
and of course with both Roman and modern dates for your convenience.
Price is only 10 Euros + postage costs. As I'm a member of Ordo
Equester, a portion of the revenues of the calendar go to the Nova
Roman treasury. I have applied from the Senate a permission to call
this the official Nova Roma calendar, but I have not yet recieved any
decision on that, so I'll advertise this calendar as "potentially
official Nova Roma calendar".

Please see for more information the calendar shop site with ordering
information:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar

ORDER YOURS TODAY!

Valete,


Caius Curius Saturninus

Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41275 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Management of mailing lists
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Maiori quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> omnibus S.P.D.
>
> M.Hortensia Maior A. Tulliae Scholasticae spd;
> I had meant to tell you what splendid news it is to hear
> how vibrant the Latintitas list is! It truly reflects your fine
> efforts, care, and ability, as moderatrix there.
>
> ATS: We have a flourishing group there, many of whom post in good, and
> untranslated, Latin. Many aren¹t citizens, but many are, and we have had some
> lively discussions in both languages. Shortly, I hope, we can begin the
> process of implementing the new charter, and creating a government for the
> sodalitas so that we can better serve the RP.
>
> The same for the
> ML..I was suprised to read the numbers but very happy.
>
> ATS: The ML has increased its subscribers since the aggression so
> constant on it in the past has been reduced. There is still a fairly high
> turnover; some subscribe for days, or even hours, then leave‹especially when
> they arrive during election season. The outside world isn¹t interested in NR
> elections (or other politics), but one should stick it out and see if
> something more interesting turns up as it inevitably will. One needs some
> regulation of the list, however, as we have no way of knowing how many
> juveniles are on the list, or how many spammers are, for that matter‹but since
> the number of members far exceeds the number of citizens, we can be sure that
> a lot of the members are not citizens‹they may be prospective citizens, or
> just folks interested in classical antiquity‹and we should show our best face
> at all times by exerting self-control‹or moderatorial control when that fails.
> We try to be fair, but some things simply are beyond the pale, and those of us
> who are sensible won¹t allow those items which are disruptive. A moderator
> does need a sense of propriety, and good sense overall.
>
> Ego Felica
> sum ; gratias tibi ago.
> optime vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>
> Gaudeo quia felix es.
>
> Optime uale et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>> >
>> > A. Tullia Scholastica,
>>> > > Moderatrix of many Yahoo boards...and owner of a couple
>>> > >
>>> > >
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41276 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Management of mailing lists
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
<fororom@l...> wrote:
>

> > Yahoo Groups now permits more than one "owner" per group and has
> > always let the owner assign moderator duties, letting the owner decide
> > on a case-by-case basis exactly what each moderator is allowed to do.
> >
> > ATS: Yes, though only the ³owner² has full privileges.
> >


Quite seriously, Yahoo Groups *now* permits more than one owner and
each owner can have full privileges. It is a change than many have
requested and it is because of the problem many sole owner/moderators
disappearing and leaving groups in limbo.

I can't stress this enough. Anyone who is a sole owner/moderator of a
Yahoo Group really should find someone to make co-owner. To fail to do
so is to fail to plan for the future.

optime valete

M. Lucretius Agricola
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41277 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Management of mailing lists
> Salue iterum, M. Lucreti Agricola, et saluete, omnes!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
> <fororom@l...> wrote:
>> >
>
>>> > > Yahoo Groups now permits more than one "owner" per group and has
>>> > > always let the owner assign moderator duties, letting the owner decide
>>> > > on a case-by-case basis exactly what each moderator is allowed to do.
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: Yes, though only the ³owner² has full privileges.
>>> > >
>
>
> Quite seriously, Yahoo Groups *now* permits more than one owner and
> each owner can have full privileges. It is a change than many have
> requested and it is because of the problem many sole owner/moderators
> disappearing and leaving groups in limbo.
>
> ATS: Yes, what I meant was that only those designated as owners have full
> privileges, not the moderators, though the moderators do have varying levels
> of authority.
>
> I can't stress this enough. Anyone who is a sole owner/moderator of a
> Yahoo Group really should find someone to make co-owner. To fail to do
> so is to fail to plan for the future.
>
> ATS: Yes, and you¹ve given me a little spur about the ones I own‹all
> small, all otherwise unmoderated, but needing a backup.
>
> optime valete
>
> Optime vale et ualete,
>
> M. Lucretius Agricola
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41278 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Oath of Tribunus Plebis
Congratulations, M. Arminius Maior, for your election for Trinunus Plebis!!!

Provincia Brasilia is very happy for your victory!!!

Vale
C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
PROPRAETOR.PROVINCIAE.BRASILIAE
QUAESTOR.NOVAE.ROMAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

----- Original Message -----
From: M Arminius Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Oath of Tribunus Plebis
Oath of Tribunus Plebis
I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), do solemnly swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the best interests of the people and senate of Nova Roma.
As Tribune of the Plebeians of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), swear to protect and defend the constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Consul to the best of my abilities.
On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations
and responsibilities attendant thereto.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41279 From: Lucius Modius Kaelus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Salve, amice.

It would probably be better to seek the validation and certification
of the Collegium Pontificum in the future, as they are the ones who
decide upon and vote on the calendar, for ceremonial purposes (though
the Pontifex Maximus, historically, would announce it in the presence
of the Comitia Calata). They also hold it within their power to make
any official decisions regarding the religio (and thus the calendar
falls within their domain), and your calendar could be completely
validated for the Res Publica through them.

For now, it might be more expedient to check your calendar against the
recent calendarical posting of Q. Metellus, though it has not been
officially approved as of yet by the CP (from what I understood).


Bene vale,
Kaelus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Curius Saturninus
<c.curius@a...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Now it's finally here! The long waiting has ended!
>
> ROMAN WALL CALENDARS FOR THIS YEAR ARE ON SALE NOW!
>
> My deepest apologies for not being able to get them on sale sooner,
> but unexpected things happen when many people are involved in the
> process. In any case, it's about time for everyone to buy calendar
> for this year, and a Roman one is the best one if you ask my opinion!
>
> The calendar is A4 size, full color with beautiful photos from Rome,
> and of course with both Roman and modern dates for your convenience.
> Price is only 10 Euros + postage costs. As I'm a member of Ordo
> Equester, a portion of the revenues of the calendar go to the Nova
> Roman treasury. I have applied from the Senate a permission to call
> this the official Nova Roma calendar, but I have not yet recieved any
> decision on that, so I'll advertise this calendar as "potentially
> official Nova Roma calendar".
>
> Please see for more information the calendar shop site with ordering
> information:
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar
>
> ORDER YOURS TODAY!
>
> Valete,
>
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@a...
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41280 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: EDICTVM•PROPRÆTORICIVM•XXVII (A C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS IX)
EDICTVM•PROPRÆTORICIVM•XXVII (A C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS IX)
CAIVS•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS•PROPRÆTOR•BRASILIƕOMNIBVS•CIVIBUS•S•P•D

By this edictum, and using my Imperium (given to my by Senatus e
Populusque Romanum), I decide:

i) Titus Martius Felix is out of his colocation of SCRIBA
PROPRAETORIS PROCURATOR RETIS (vide my EDICTVM PROPRÆTORICIVM XXIII).

ii) In his place, I nomeate, for the position of SCRIBA
PROPRAETORIS PROCURATOR RETIS, the citizen TITUS ARMINIUS FLAVUS.

DATVM•SVB•MANV•MEA•A•D•III•NON•IANVARIAS•MMDCCLIX•A•V•C

C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS
PROPRAETOR•PROVINCIAE•BRASILIAE
QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

======================================================================

EDICTVM•PROPRÆTORICIVM•XXVII (A C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS IX)
CAIVS•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS•PROPRÆTOR•BRASILIƕOMNIBVS•CIVIBUS•S•P•D

Por meio do presente, e utilizando o Imperium que me foi conferido
pelo Senado e pelo Povo de Roma, decido:

i) Tendo em vista o grande acúmulo de funções advindo de sua
eleição para o cargo de Quaestor, Titus Martius Felix é exonerado de
sua função de SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS PROCURATOR RETIS (vide meu EDICTVM
PROPRÆTORICIVM XXIII).

ii) Devido ao grande interesse demonstrado, nomeio para o cargo
de SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS PROCURATOR RETIS o cidadão TITUS ARMINIUS
FLAVUS.

DATVM•SVB•MANV•MEA•A•D•III•NON•IANVARIAS•MMDCCLIX•A•V•C

C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS
PROPRAETOR•PROVINCIAE•BRASILIAE
QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41281 From: marciusfelix Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Oath of Tribunus Plebis
Salve Marcus Arminius Maior et Salvete Omnibus

All citizens of the brasilia province had been happy with its
participation.

Vale et Valete.

T•MARCVS•FELIX
LEGATVS•PROVINCIAE•BRASILIAE
QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M Arminius Maior <marminius@y...>
wrote:
>
> Oath of Tribunus Plebis
>
>
> I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), do solemnly
> swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act
> always in the best interests of the people and senate
> of Nova Roma.
>
> As Tribune of the Plebeians of Nova Roma, I, Marcus
> Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), swear to honour the
> Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and
> to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
> life.
>
> I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), swear to
> uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State
> Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way
> that would threaten its status
> as the State Religion.
>
> I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), swear to
> protect and defend the constitution of Nova Roma.
>
> I, Marcus Arminius Maior (Marcos Boehme), further
> swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities
> of the office of Consul to the best of my abilities.
>
> On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the
> presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people
> and by their will and favor, do I accept the position
> of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations
> and responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
> Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage.
> http://br.yahoo.com/homepageset.html
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41282 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2286
Salve,

I have seeked opinion of CP and still waiting their answer. I have
given intial green light to my project from them, but not official
decision. When there have been official decisions I'll include those
to my shop website. Thank you for your interest.

Vale,

On Jan 3, 2006, at 14:38 , Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:34:20 -0000
> From: "Lucius Modius Kaelus" <xkaelusx@...>
> Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
>
> Salve, amice.
>
> It would probably be better to seek the validation and certification
> of the Collegium Pontificum...


Caius Curius Saturninus

Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41283 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: a.d. III Non. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Ianuarius; haec dies fastus est.


"But others, who hold that nothing bordering on the fabulous has any
place in historical writing, declare that the exposing of the babes by
the servants in a manner not in accordance with their instructions is
improbable, and they ridicule the tameness of the she-wolf that
suckled the children as a story full of melodramatic absurdity. In
place of this they give the following account of the matter: Numitor,
upon learning that Ilia was with child, procured other new-born
infants and when she had given birth to her babes, he substituted the
former in place of the latter. Then he gave the supposititious
children to those who were guarding her at the time of her delivery to
be carried away, having either secured the loyalty of the guards by
money or contrived this exchange by the help of women; and when
Amulius had received them, he made away with them by some means or
other. As for the babes that were born of Ilia, their grandfather, who
was above all things solicitous for their preservation, handed them
over to Faustulus. This Faustulus, they say, was of Arcadian
extraction, being descended from those Arcadians who came over with
Evander; he lived near the Palatine hill and had the care of Amulius'
possessions, and he was prevailed on by his brother, named Faustinus,
who had the oversight of Numitor's herds that fed near the Aventine
hill, to do Numitor the favour of bringing up the children. They say,
moreover, that the one who nursed and suckled them was not a she-wolf,
but, as may well be supposed, a woman, the wife of Faustulus, named
Laurentia, who, having formerly prostituted her beauty, had received
from the people living round the Palatine hill the nickname of Lupa.
This is an ancient Greek term applied to women who prostitute
themselves for gain; but they are now called by a more respectable
name, hetaerae or "companions." But some who were ignorant of this
invented the myth of the she-wolf, this animal being called in the
Latin tongue lupa. The story continues that after the children were
weaned they were sent by those who were rearing them to Gabii, a town
not far from the Palatine hill, to be instructed in Greek learning;
and there they were brought up by some personal friends of Faustulus,
being taught letters, music, and the use of Greek arms until they grew
to manhood. After their return to their supposed parents the quarrel
arose between them and Numitor's herdsmen concerning their common
pastures; thereupon they beat Numitor's men so that these drove away
their cattle, doing this by Numitor's direction, to the intent that it
might serve as a basis for his complaints and at the same time as an
excuse for the crowd of herdsmen to come to town. When this had been
brought about, Numitor raised a clamour against Amulius, declaring
that he was treated outrageously, being plundered by the herdsmen of
Amulius, and demanding that Amulius, if he was not responsible for any
of this, should delivering to him the herdsman and his sons for trial;
and Amulius, wishing to clear himself of the charge, ordered not only
those who were complained of, but all the rest who were accused of
having been present at the conflict, to come and stand trial before
Numitor. Then, when great numbers came to town together with the
accused, ostensibly to attend the trial, the grandfather of the youths
acquainted them with all the circumstances of their fortune, and
telling them that now, if ever, was the time to avenge themselves, he
straightway made his attack upon Amulius with the crowd of herdsmen.
these, then, are the accounts that are given of the birth and rearing
of the founders of Rome." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus, "Roman
Antiquities" 1.84


"His second wife was radiant Themis; she bore the Seasons,
Lawfulness and Justice and blooming Peace,
who watch over the works of mortal men..." - Hesiod, Theogony, 901-3

Today is held in honor of the goddess Pax. On the Campus Martius
(Field of Mars, god of war), she had a minor sanctuary called the Ara
Pacis, dedicated to her on January 30, 9 B.C. Her temple was on the
Forum Pacis (Templum Placis) built on the site of a meat market by
Vespasian, which was dedicated in A.D. 75. She was depicted in art
with olive branches, a cornucopia and a sceptre. Pax became
celebrated (in both senses of the word) as Pax Romana and Pax Augusta
from the 2nd century B.C.

In Greek mythology, she was Eirene or Irene ("peace"), daughter of
Zeus and Themis, one of the first generation of Horae. The Horae (the
Hours, or Seasons) were Pax and her sisters Lawfulness, Wisdom and
Order (Eunomia) and Justice (Justitia/Dike). are sometimes considered
to be the three aspects of Themis. As goddesses of the seasons, they
brought order to nature. Eirene was the personification of peace and
wealth and was depicted in art as a beautiful young woman carrying a
cornucopia, sceptre and a torch or rhyton.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Pax
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_(mythology)) and
(http://www.loggia.com/myth/eirene.html)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41284 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Prayer for The New Year of Nova Roma on Kal. Ian. 2759 AUC
CN. CORNELIVS LENTVLVS PROPR. & QVAES. & SACERDOS PANN. QVIRITIBVS SALVTEM:

I would like to wish to every Nova Roman citizen a prosperous and happy new year with this Latin prayer and sacrifice - conducted on the 1st of Jan. 2759 AUC by me as Provincial Sacerdos and Propraetor of Pannonia, for my province and for our Republic and for you, the People of Nova Roma.
By the way, I apologize for the delay, I had no time to type this long text earlier.

This sacrifice was conducted before my home-altar:

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SACRIFICIVM KALENDARVM IANVARIARVM ANNI MMDCCLVIIII AVC

- INVOCATIO of all the gods:

Iane,
Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
Quirine, Venus, Vesta, Mercuri, Fortuna, Genni!
Penates, Lares,
di Novensiles, dique Indigetes,
omnes divi quocumque nomine,
quorum est potestas nostrum hostiumque,
dique Manes!

- GRATVLATIO to all the gods:

Vos quaeso precorque,
uti vos thuris odore et vino dato praeteriti proxime anni Kalendis Ianuariis
bonis precibus bene precatus sum,
quibusque uti votis meriti satisfecistis:
earundem rerum ergo propterque omnia in praeterito proxime anno alia
mihi, domo, familiae data beneficia
macte his thuris granis sacrificandis estote fitote volentes propitii!

# After these words incense is was sacrificied. #

- PRECATIO of all the gods:

Quarum rerum ergo, quodque melius siet
renascenti Populo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae
in hodie incepto novo anno:
vobis sacrum fiat:

Vos precor, veneror, veniam peto feroque,
uti Res Nostra, Res Romae reficiundae,
regignundi ac renascentis Populi Romani Quiritium,
Reique Publicae Populi Romani Quiritium renaturae
semper crescat, convalescat, continenter extendatur, augeatur;
fiantque multo plures Novi Romani Quirites;
motusque et consociatio ad Rem Romanam reficiundam instituatur;
utique Res Publica - ut dicta - Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
utique Provincia Pannonia - ut dicta -, cuius propraetor sum, crescat,
multosque cives habeat;
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hodie incepto novo anno eventus bonos faustosque esse siritis;
utique sitis volentes propitii Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Provinciaeque Pannoniae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
novis magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
quaestoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

mihi, domo, familiae!



- INVOCATIO & PRECATIO of the single gods:

Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
earundem rerum ergo te precor quaesoque,
uti sies volens propitius Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Provinciaeque Pannoniae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
novis magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
quaestoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,

mihi, domo, familiae!


Quirine, Dea Roma, Venus Genetrix, Mars,
Penates, Lares, Manes maiorum nostrum,
omnes di quocumque nomine, qui Romam favetis favebatis,
earundem rerum ergo vos precor quaesoque,
uti fiant multo plures Novi Romani Quirites;
utique ex societate Novae Romae verus motus et consociatio fieri possit,
ex qua Populus Romanus Quiritium
Resque Publica Populi Romani Quiritium renascatur;
utique Novae Romae Societas Pannonia in Hungaria magni momenti fiat!

Deae Iuno et Vesta,
earundem rerum ergo vos precor quaesoque,
uti domos familiasque Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
domum familiamque meam protegatis, curetis, custodiatis;
utique domos familiasque Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
domum familiamque meam ab omnibus malis conservetis!

- SACRIFICIUM COMMVNE

Sicut verba nuncupavi, quae ita faxitis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
hoc vino libando,
hoc sue immolando,
his thuris granis sacrificandis
estote fitote in hodie incepto novo anno volentes propitii
renascenti Populo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!

# After these words a glass of wine,
a piece of swine-meat
and incense were sacrificied.#


ILICET!
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Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
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Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Provincial Sacerdos
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae Tulliae Scholasticae Senior
Sodalis Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Latinista, Classicus Philologus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41285 From: Titus Sergius Rufinus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Salve!

What a VERY beautiful design!

Vale

T�SERG�RVFINVS
esse quam videri

http://raphael.doxos.com

IH+SV



On 3 Jan 2006, at 0310, Caius Curius Saturninus wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> Please see for more information the calendar shop site with ordering
> information:
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar
>
> ORDER YOURS TODAY!
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41286 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
A. Apollonius Pompejae Minuciae omnibusque sal.

I'm just going to pick up on one paragraph of one of
your recent epistles:

> If I were going to attempt to renew anything, or
> replace an existing
> legislation, I have to have the same legal
> authority as the
> magistrate issuing the legislation, for it to be
> legally
> successful. And to be maximally successful, as an
> one of the
> Ordinarii making legislative policy, I would need my
> imperium for
> that.

I think when you say "legislation" you are talking
about edicta, but really the word "legislation" should
only be used to refer to leges. The clue is the in the
word. Edicta are not properly legislation or even
really "law" as we normally understand it - they are
best thought of as statements by magistrates
indicating how they intend to use their powers. In
that respect, of course, your more general point is
correct: because an edictum is merely an expression of
the power of the issuing magistrate, it has only such
force as that magistrate has.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41287 From: Richard Sciarappa Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Salve,

This calander is beautiful,
Nice job!

PAX DEORUM
Lucius Cassius Cornutus


-----Original Message-----
>From: Caius Curius Saturninus <c.curius@...>
>Sent: Jan 3, 2006 3:10 AM
>To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com, thulenovaroma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
>
>Salvete omnes,
>
>Now it's finally here! The long waiting has ended!
>
>ROMAN WALL CALENDARS FOR THIS YEAR ARE ON SALE NOW!
>
>My deepest apologies for not being able to get them on sale sooner, 
>but unexpected things happen when many people are involved in the 
>process. In any case, it's about time for everyone to buy calendar 
>for this year, and a Roman one is the best one if you ask my opinion!
>
>The calendar is A4 size, full color with beautiful photos from Rome, 
>and of course with both Roman and modern dates for your convenience. 
>Price is only 10 Euros + postage costs. As I'm a member of Ordo 
>Equester, a portion of the revenues of the calendar go to the Nova 
>Roman treasury. I have applied from the Senate a permission to call 
>this the official Nova Roma calendar, but I have not yet recieved any 
>decision on that, so I'll advertise this calendar as "potentially 
>official Nova Roma calendar".
>
>Please see for more information the calendar shop site with ordering 
>information:
>http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar
>
>ORDER YOURS TODAY!
>
>Valete,
>
>
>Caius Curius Saturninus
>
>Propraetor Provinciae Thules
>Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
>e-mail: c.curius@...
>www.academiathules.org
>gsm: +358-50-3315279
>fax: +358-9-8754751
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
>
>*  Visit your group "Nova-Roma" on the web.
> 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41288 From: Rob Sullivan Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Ammended Oath of Office - Titus Licinius Crassus
I, Titus Licinius Crassus (Robert Y. Sullivan) do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Titus Licinius Crassus, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Titus Licinius Crassus, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Titus Licinius Crassus, swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Licinius Crassus, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Custos to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Custos and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41289 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
---Oh Apollonius Cordus !!

That is truly rich!!

**You** are calling anyone else's posts **epistles**???

???

Yunno, I fear this little black kettle has too much work to do
today, to engage you in hairsplitting contests, O POT !

Intensely amused; truly, that's a good one!


Pompeia







In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
>
> A. Apollonius Pompejae Minuciae omnibusque sal.
>
> I'm just going to pick up on one paragraph of one of
> your recent epistles:
>
> > If I were going to attempt to renew anything, or
> > replace an existing
> > legislation, I have to have the same legal
> > authority as the
> > magistrate issuing the legislation, for it to be
> > legally
> > successful. And to be maximally successful, as an
> > one of the
> > Ordinarii making legislative policy, I would need my
> > imperium for
> > that.
>
> I think when you say "legislation" you are talking
> about edicta, but really the word "legislation" should
> only be used to refer to leges. The clue is the in the
> word. Edicta are not properly legislation or even
> really "law" as we normally understand it - they are
> best thought of as statements by magistrates
> indicating how they intend to use their powers. In
> that respect, of course, your more general point is
> correct: because an edictum is merely an expression of
> the power of the issuing magistrate, it has only such
> force as that magistrate has.
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41290 From: P. Minucia Tiberia Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Consular Edictum : Appointment of Custodian and Quaestor of Magna
Ex officium Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Consul Novae Romae 2759 A.U.C.
Ex officum Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo Consul Novae Romae 2759 A.U.C.

This edictum, issued by the Consuls via authority of IV 2.b Nova Roma Constitution
officially proclaims Curule Aedile 2759 A.U.C. Titus Iulius Sabinus as this year's Custodian of the Magna Mater Project, in said capacity to preside over the administrative functions, Magna Mater website development, all events and games related to the Magna Mater Project.

This edictum further serves to appoint Marcus Iulius Perusianus Quaestor as Official Quaestor of the Magna Mater fund 2759 A.U.C.

Issued this day by our hands Ian III 2759 A.U.C.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41291 From: Maior Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
M. Hortensia Modio Kaelo spd;
Salve Kaele, the official religious calendar was what
Saturninus was waiting for. I have been in touch with him since he
discussed this splendid project on the ML. In NR for things like
real life materials, coins, calendars it is better to rely on
individual enterprise!
Support Support Nova Roma, support the Religio, Support
real life endeavors; buy a Calendar now!!
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior, Aedilis Plebis


your calendar against the
> recent calendarical posting of Q. Metellus, though it has not been
> officially approved as of yet by the CP (from what I understood).
>
>
> Bene vale,
> Kaelus
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41292 From: Marcus Horatius Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Appointment of Viator in Italia
M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Tribunus Plebis Quiritibus Novae Romae salutem plurinam dicit

Appointment of Publius Moravius Brennus as Viator Tribuni Plebis in provincia Italia.

I. I hereby appoint Publius Moravius Brennus as my Viator in
provincia Italia.

II. Viator P. Moravius Brennus is authorized to receive and dispatch any communications between the cives Novae Romae and socii who live in provincia Italia and myself, Tribunus Plebis Marcus Moravius Piscinus, when the communications concern the duties and responsibilities of the office of a Tribunus Plebis.

III. Viator Publius Moravius Brennus is also authorized to act in my name, sine potestes Tribunicia, to cooperate with Propraetor Fransicus Apulus Caesar in addressing any concerns or issues of cives Novae Romae and socii who live in provincia Italia.

IV. No oath of office shall be required.

V. This appointment of Publius Moravius Brennus as my Viator in provincia Italia shall take effect as of today, 3 January 2006.


Ab manu M Moravi Piscini, Tr, Pl., III Nonae Ianuariae AUC MMDCCLIX Gaio Fabio Buteo Modiano Pompeia Minucia Tiberia consulibus.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41293 From: Claudio Guzzo Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: fasti (Calendario)- heavy constitution?
Salvete
circa la mia richiesta di traduzione in Italiano degli atti della Repubblica
Romana moderna e del calendario
about < Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:45:06 -0500
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
Subject: Re: fasti
I'm forwarding your request to the Decuria of Interpreters. I think we
still have an active Interpreter who is fluent in Italian. With luck
that person will be able to help you.

-- Marinus>

and <Mon, 02 Jan 2006 21:40:12 -0500
From: "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...>
Subject: Re: fasti

> ATS: Unfortunately, the person listed as interpreter of Italian did
not
> respond to my invitation to join the new mailing list for the decuria of
> interpreters, so I assume that she is either no longer among us or is no
> longer interested in this function. I was also unable to ascertain the
e-mail
> address of the Afrikaans interpreter so that he could be invited. The
older
> list is effectively defunct; no one could be added, so I started a new
one.
>
> It is highly advantageous for these official documents to be available
in
> the various languages, but our laws require only that they be available in
> English, the official business language, and/or Latin, the official
ceremonial
language.>


Ci sono delle regole che prevedono, per il gruppo latinitas e i suoi scopi,
che molti atti siano tradotti anche in Italiano...
But in sodalitas latinitas there were regula about that...
<Moreover, this calendar is not official; when an official calendar
> is issued, perhaps someone would be so good as to translate it.
>
> -- Marinus
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica>

Citizens of NR_Italia, please elect an interpreter!
Cittadini della provincia Italiana di Nova Roma, eleggete un decurione
interprete!


About < Tue, 03 Jan 2006 00:35:01 -0000
From: "P.M. Albucius" <albucius_aoe@...>
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
(omissis)
As long as we keep a constitution, its wording and interpretation is
not subject to modifications by new laws (here Arminia Equitia). We
could issue 10 new leges saying the opposite, the constitution would
prevail on them.>
Never changing the consitution? The constitution is not the holy bible... It
doesn't look Roman and Latin.

(..) [snip]
:)
Valete!
Ciao
Appius Claudius Cicero (Napoletano...)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41294 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Consular Date of This Year - A Little Latin Help
Cn. Lentulus magistratibus atque Quiritibus sal.:

Seing the various mistakes made in the Latin consular dating of this Nova Roman year written in many edicta, I would like to offer a little help to be more correct if somebody wants to date his edictum or message in a fine Roman way.

So, this Nova Roman year is correctly:

"Gaio Fabio Buteone Modiano: Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabone: consulibus"

The ending "-a" in the name of Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia shall be pronunced as long "-a".

FACITE VALEATIS!
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Latinist, Classicist





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41295 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Consular Date of This Year - A Little Latin Help
> A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Lentulo amico quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Cn. Lentulus magistratibus atque Quiritibus sal.:
>
> Seing the various mistakes made in the Latin consular dating of this Nova
> Roman year written in many edicta, I would like to offer a little help to be
> more correct if somebody wants to date his edictum or message in a fine Roman
> way.
>
> So, this Nova Roman year is correctly:
>
> "Gaio Fabio Buteone Modiano: Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabone: consulibus"
>
> The ending "-a" in the name of Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia shall be pronunced as
> long "-a".
>
> ATS: I¹ve already sent a template for appointment edicta to Aedilis Curulis
> C. Equitius Cato, with instructions to share it with his colleague, Sabinus.
> I shall prepare a template for these and send them to the higher magistrates.
>
> Incidentally, we don¹t use the colons in these dates, and I¹ve informed
> Cato about the usual abbreviation for consulibus, which, however, we tend not
> to use here.
>
> FACITE VALEATIS!
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
> Latinist, Classicist
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41296 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Edictum Concerning the Nova Roma Senate List
EDICTUM CONSULARE

Ex Officio

I. Section II.D of the Senatus Consultum on Defining a Quorum states:
"The Consuls shall have the authority to designate the official
Senate email list, and must make any changes to such designation known
to all members of the Senate in a timely fashion."

II. I hereby designate the following e-mail list as the new official
Senate list for Nova Roma: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenateNR

III. The owners of this new Senate list shall be the Censors: Gnaeus
Equitius Marinus, and Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix.

IV. The moderators of this new Senate list shall be the Consuls:
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, and Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.

V. The old Senate (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenatusRomanus) list
shall remain for use as an archives. All senators currently
subscribed to that list are to be removed, with the exception of the
Censors and Consuls mentioned in section III and IV of this Edictum.

VI. The Censors (as mentioned in section III of this Edictum) shall
be designated as owners of the old Senate list, and the Consuls (as
indicated in section IV) shall be the moderators until such time as
the archives of the list can be preserved, and the list deleted. A
Censoral Scribe, or Consular Accensus who is of senatorial rank may,
at the discretion of the Consuls or Censors, be designated to assist
in archiving the old Senate list.

VII. Senator Caius Flavius Diocletianus shall turn over ownership of
the old Senate list to those designated in section VI of this edictum.
All moderators, or list owners not designated in section VI of this
Edictum are to be removed.

VIII. Once the archives of the old Senate list are fully archived,
the old Senate list archives will be available for all senators to
view.

Given this day, 03 January 2759 (2006)

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41297 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Consular Date of This Year - A Little Latin Help
Cn. Lentulus quaestor Tulliae Scolasticae rogatrici s. p. d.:

>>> Incidentally, we don¹t use the colons in these dates, and I¹ve informed Cato about the usual abbreviation for consulibus, which, however, we tend not to use here. <<<


Yes, I know, Rogatrix, these colons were just to make more perspicuous the date-text which was very long with the two four-componented names.

By the way, congratulations for your election, have a prosperous year as Rogatrix, and a happy new year!

Vale!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
-------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Provincial Sacerdos
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae Tulliae Scholasticae Senior
Sodalis Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41298 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Edictum Concerning the Nova Roma Senate List
Cn. Lentulus C. Buteoni consuli salutem:

This question is based probably on my ignorance: what was the reason to change the mailing-list of the Senatus? I know I am too conservative - as the good Roman spirite influenced me - but I always prefer to see a mailing-list for the Nova Roman Senate founded in 2000, than one founded in 2006. (It's another case if there is not more free memory on the server - then my question is pointless.)




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41299 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
A. Apollonius Pompejae Minuciae omnibusque sal.

Your last, in full:

> ---Oh Apollonius Cordus !!
>
> That is truly rich!!
>
> **You** are calling anyone else's posts
> **epistles**???
>
> ???
>
> Yunno, I fear this little black kettle has too much
> work to do
> today, to engage you in hairsplitting contests, O
> POT !
>
> Intensely amused; truly, that's a good one!

I'm profoundly confused by the above. Is "epistle" a
derogatory word in North American English? In British
English it means "letter" and nothing more or less. I
get rather bored with writing "message", so I
occasionally use "missive", "epistle", and other words
that mean essentially the same thing.

Well, if I've offended you I'm extremely sorry. All I
can say is that I meant the word entirely neutrally,
and personally I would be rather pleased to be told
that I had written an epistle.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41300 From: Matt Hucke Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Edictum Concerning the Nova Roma Senate List
>
> This question is based probably on my ignorance: what was the reason to change
> the mailing-list of the Senatus?

An unfortunate flaw in Yahoo - they provide no mechanism to take control of a
mailing list in the even that the sole "owner" disappears; when this happens,
all that you can do is create a new list and invite everyone to join. I had
to do the same thing for a list called "ChicagoAndMidwestCemeteries" a few
months ago.

Vale, Octavius.

--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41301 From: cassius622@aol.com Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Lex Curiata de Imperio AUC 2759
Salvete Omnes,

The Comitia Curiata has voted to invest the new year's magistrates with
Imperium with the Lex Curiata De Imperio for 2759 AUC:

May the Gods invest Nova Roma's new Magistrates with Firmitas, Industrias
and Pietas in this new year.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus

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Lex Curiata de Imperio 2759 AUC

We, the Lictors of the Comita Curiata of Nova Roma, recognize and accept
the results of the elections in the Comitia Centuriata for consules
and praetores, and the election in the Comitia Populi Tributa for
aediles curules. By this lex de imperio we confer imperium as defined
in the Lex Arminia Equitia de Imperio upon these magistrates.

Consules: Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia Tiberia

Praetores: Tiberius Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus and Tiberius Galerius
Paulinus

Aediles Curules: Gaius Equitius Cato and Titus Iulius Sabinus

This lex de imperio shall become effective on Kal. Ian. MMDCCLIX
a.u.c. (1 Jan 2006 CE) and shall remain in effect until pridie Kal. Ian
MMDCCLIX a.u.c. (31 Dec 2006 CE).

Given under our hands Kal. Ian. MMDCCLIX a.u.c. (1 Jan 2006 CE)

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Quintus Servilius Priscus
Patricia Cassia
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Gaius Iulius Scaurus
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Marcus Arminius Maior
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
Marcus Minucius Audens
Helena Galeria




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41302 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Edictum Concerning the Nova Roma Senate List
Cn. Lentulus M. Octavio salutem d.:

Thanks for the reply.

>>> An unfortunate flaw in Yahoo - they provide no mechanism to take control of a mailing list in the even that the sole "owner" disappears; when this happens, all that you can do is create a new list and invite everyone to join. <<<

Ah, now I understant. Perhaps the new one could be just temporary and the Patres Conscripti could return to the old Senatus Romanus ML when its owner come back. It is not my competence, I have said, just I lamented to lose the virtual Curia of our republic...

Vale!



Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41303 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Lex Curiata de Imperio AUC 2759
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus M. Cassio Iuliano, patri patriae, pontifici maximo, viro amplissimo s. d.:

Just a little correction of a typo:

>>> Praetores: Tiberius Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus and Tiberius Galerius Paulinus <<<

The Paretor's name is:

*Titus* Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus

Vale, Founding Father!




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Provincial Sacerdos
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41304 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Lex Curiata de Imperio AUC 2759
Salve Lentule, et salvete omnes,

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus wrote:

> The Paretor's name is:
>
> *Titus* Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus

Ack! So it is. I'm the one who drafted that Lex de Imperio, so the
fault is all mine.

In any case, the Lex de Imperio confirms and recognizes the votes of the
centuries and the tribes.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41305 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Lex Curiata de Imperio AUC 2759
Salvete omnes,

To follow up the official posting of the Lex de Imperio, I once again
offer my congratulations and best wishes to all of our new magistrates.
Congratulations on attaining these new offices, and may wisdom guide
them throughout this year.

Valete,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41306 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Issuing of Magisterial Edicta: Ordinarii
> A. Tullia Scholastica A. Apollonio Cordo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> omnibus S.P.D.
>
> A. Apollonius Pompejae Minuciae omnibusque sal.
>
> Your last, in full:
>
>> > ---Oh Apollonius Cordus !!
>> >
>> > That is truly rich!!
>> >
>> > **You** are calling anyone else's posts
>> > **epistles**???
>> >
>> > ???
>> >
>> > Yunno, I fear this little black kettle has too much
>> > work to do
>> > today, to engage you in hairsplitting contests, O
>> > POT !
>> >
>> > Intensely amused; truly, that's a good one!
>
> I'm profoundly confused by the above. Is "epistle" a
> derogatory word in North American English?
>
> ATS: Not at all, Corde. It¹s just a fancier word for letter, though it
> may imply that it is a long letter.
>
> In British
> English it means "letter" and nothing more or less.
>
> ATS: And it means pretty much the same here.
> I
> get rather bored with writing "message", so I
> occasionally use "missive", "epistle", and other words
> that mean essentially the same thing.
>
> Well, if I've offended you I'm extremely sorry. All I
> can say is that I meant the word entirely neutrally,
> and personally I would be rather pleased to be told
> that I had written an epistle.
>
> ATS: Especially since you would then know that you were dealing with
> someone who had a more extensive vocabulary...English is a language which,
> unlike Latin, likes to use synonyms rather than repeat the same word or
> grammatical variants thereof in rapid succession.
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41307 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Re: Edictum Concerning the Nova Roma Senate List
Salve Lentule.

Just think of it as having burned down, with the records having been
saved. Since it will have the same "decor" I doubt any of our more
aged senators will accidentally get confused and end up sitting alone
in the wrong curia.

Vale
Caesar

> Cn. Lentulus M. Octavio salutem d.:
>
> Thanks for the reply.

<snipped>

>I have said, just I lamented to lose the virtual Curia of our
republic...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41308 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Fasti Ianuarii
Q. Metellus Quiritibus sal.

The calendar for the coming nundinum:

3 a.d. III Non. Ian. C F Nundina
4 pr. Non. Ian. D C
5 Non. Ian. E F
6 a.d. VIII Id. Ian. F F Ater
7 a.d. VII Id. Ian. G C
8 a.d. VI Id. Ian. H C
9 a.d. V Id. Ian. A NP Agonium/-ia/-alia*
10 a.d. IV Id. Ian. B EN
11 a.d. III Id. Ian. C NP Carmentalia (Nun.)

Optime Valete,

Q. Caecilius Metellus,
Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41309 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-03
Subject: Edictum - Appointment of Accensi
EDICTUM CONSULARE

Ex Officio

I hereby appoint the following citizens as my ACCENSI for the current
consular period, with all the obligations and privileges prescribed by
the Laws of Nova Roma:

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus
Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
Marcus Luctretius Agricola
Gaia Gladia Oceana
Lucius Cassius Cornutus

They shall not be required to make any kind of oath.

These appointments are effective immediately.

03 January 2759 (2006)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41310 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: Consular Date of This Year - A Little Latin Help
> A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo quaestori quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Cn. Lentulus quaestor Tulliae Scolasticae rogatrici s. p. d.:
>
>>>> >>> Incidentally, we don¹t use the colons in these dates, and I¹ve
>>>> informed Cato about the usual abbreviation for consulibus, which, however,
>>>> we tend not to use here. <<<
>
>
> Yes, I know, Rogatrix, these colons were just to make more perspicuous the
> date-text which was very long with the two four-componented names.
>
> ATS: The Spanish keyboards have these neat little interpunct dots, which
> are so handy, and so authentic‹but those of us who use English keyboards seem
> to be deprived of this honor.
>
> By the way, congratulations for your election, have a prosperous year as
> Rogatrix, and a happy new year!
>
> ATS: The same to you! I see we¹ll be working together in at least one
> praetorian cohors, if not two...
>
> Vale!
>
>
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
> Q U A E S T O R
> -------------------------------
> Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
> Provincial Sacerdos
> Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae Tulliae Scholasticae Senior
> Sodalis Sodalitatis Latinitatis
> Latinista, Classicus Philologus
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41311 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Q. Metellus L. Modio et C. Curio salutem.

> It would probably be better to seek the validation and certification
> of the Collegium Pontificum in the future, as they are the ones who
> decide upon and vote on the calendar, for ceremonial purposes (though
> the Pontifex Maximus, historically, would announce it in the presence
> of the Comitia Calata). They also hold it within their power to make
> any official decisions regarding the religio (and thus the calendar
> falls within their domain), and your calendar could be completely
> validated for the Res Publica through them.
>
> For now, it might be more expedient to check your calendar against the
> recent calendarical posting of Q. Metellus, though it has not been
> officially approved as of yet by the CP (from what I understood).

Actually, the item has been brought before the College (albeit
informally). I know that his information came from the same place as
the information that the College is using for setting out the calendar
for this year, so this pontiff recognises it as valid. Anyhow, the only
potential errors I see as particularly likely would be a lack of
recognition of the Lex Hortensia, or perhaps setting it to the wrong
nundinal, but from looking at the sample page for January, I see that he
has these days marked in red (in the column carrying the nundinal
letters), so I am assured that he has covered all his bases here.
Otherwise, you could bet I might be one of the loudest voices here
calling for him to either amend it or remove it from sale altogether.
So, again, this pontiff recognises it as valid.

Valete Bene,

Q. Caecilius Metellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41312 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: fasti
Cn. Lentulus App. Claudio sal.:

>>> Quintus Caecilius Metellus,
Pontifex>Please, could you write the official calendar in Italian too? It is important that every day and every festival will be described; could you send to me the Regula of it? <<<

Come l'ho detto nel mio precedente messaggio, non ci sono traduzioni, e l'interpretessa ufficiale di Nova Roma probabilmente non fara' tali tipi delle traduzioni. Tutte le cose sono in inglese - che, naturalmente, e' cosa miserabile. Ci sone qualche documenti tradutti in latino, e sul NR website qualche pagine tradutte in varie lingue, principalmente in tedesco, portugese, spagnolo e anche italiano.




Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
-------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Provincial Sacerdos
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae Tulliae Scholasticae Senior
Sodalis Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41313 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: fasti
Salvete,

I apologize, this was intended to be a personal message. Please ignore it.

LENTVLVS

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> ha scritto:
Cn. Lentulus App. Claudio sal.:

....


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41314 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: prid. Non.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est pridie Nonas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"I am now going to relate the events that happened at the very time of
its founding; for this part of my account still remains. When Numitor,
upon the death of Amulius, had resumed his rule and had spent a little
time in restoring the city from its late disorder to its former
orderly state, he presently thought of providing an independent rule
for the youths by founding another city. At the same time, the
inhabitants being much increased in number, he thought it good policy
to get rid of some part of them, particularly of those who had once
been his enemies, lest he might have cause to suspect any of his
subjects. And having communicated this plan to the youths and gained
their approval, he gave them, as a district to rule, the region where
they had been brought up in their infancy, and, for subjects, not only
that part of the people which he suspected of a design to begin
rebellion anew, but also any who were willing to migrate voluntarily.
Among these, as is likely to happen when a city sends out a colony,
there were great numbers of the common people, but there were also a
sufficient number of the prominent men of the best class, and of the
Trojan element all those who were esteemed the noblest in birth, some
of whose posterity remained even to my day, consisting of about fifty
families. The youths were supplied with money, arms and corn, with
slaves and beasts of burden and everything else that was of use in the
building of a city. After they had led their people out of Alba and
intermingled with them the local population that still remained in
Pallantium and Saturnia, they divided the whole multitude into two
parts. This they did in the hope of arousing a spirit of emulation,
so that through their rivalry with each other their tasks might be the
sooner finished; however, it produced the greatest of evils, discord.
For each group, exalting its own leader, extolled him as the proper
person to command them all; and the youths themselves, being now no
longer one in mind or feeling it necessary to entertain brotherly
sentiments toward each, since each expected to command the other,
scorned equality and craved superiority. For some time their ambitions
were concealed, but later they burst forth on the occasion which I
shall now describe. They did not both favour the same site for the
building of the city; for Romulus proposed to settle the Palatine
hill, among other reasons, because of the good fortune of the place
where they had been preserved and brought up, whereas Remus favoured
the place that is now named after him Remoria. And indeed this place
is very suitable for a city, being a hill not far from the Tiber and
about thirty stades from Rome. From this rivalry their unsociable love
of rule immediately began to disclose itself; for on the one who now
yielded the victor would inevitably impose his will on all occasions
alike.

Meanwhile, some time having elapsed and their discord in no degree
abating, the two agreed to refer the matter to their grandfather and
for that purpose went to Alba. He advised them to leave it to the
decision of the gods which of them should give his name to the colony
and be its leader. And having appointed for them a day, he ordered
them to place themselves early in the morning at a distance from one
another, in such stations as each of them should think proper, and
after first offering to the gods the customary sacrifices, to watch
for auspicious birds; and he ordered that he to whom the more
favourable birds first appeared should rule the colony. The youths,
approving of this, went away and according to their agreement appeared
on the day appointed for the test. Romulus chose for his station the
Palatine hill, where he proposed settling the colony, and Remus the
Aventine hill adjoining it, or, according to others, Remoria; and a
guard attended them both, to prevent their reporting things otherwise
than as they appeared. When they had taken their respective stations,
Romulus, after a short pause, from eagerness and jealousy of his
brother, — though possibly Heaven was thus directing him, — even
before he saw any omen at all, sent messengers to his brother desiring
him to come immediately, as if he had been the first to see some
auspicious birds. But while the persons he sent were proceeding with
no great haste, feeling ashamed of the fraud, six vultures appeared to
Remus, flying from the right; and he, seeing the birds, rejoiced
greatly. And not long afterwards the men sent by Romulus took him
thence and brought him to the Palatine hill. When they were together,
Remus asked Romulus what birds he had been the first to see, and
Romulus knew not what to answer. But thereupon twelve auspicious
vultures were seen flying; and upon seeing these he took courage, and
pointing them out to Remus, said: "Why do you demand to know what
happened a long time ago? For surely you see these birds yourself."
But Remus was indignant and complained bitterly because he had been
deceived by him; and he refused to yield to him his right to the
colony." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 1.85-86


"You should know that the sea is separated from the earth. When
Jupiter claimed the land of Etruria for himself, he decided and
commanded the fields to be surveyed and the lands marked out. Knowing
the covetousness of man and his worldly greed, he wanted the
boundaries of everything to be marked by boundary stones. Those which
at any time anyone has placed because of the greed of this eighth -
almost the latest - saeculum, arrogating to themselves licence, men
with wrongful deceit will violate, touch and move. But if anyone
touches or moves a boundary stone, extending his own possessions or
diminishing those of someone else, for this crime he will be condemned
by the gods. If slaves shall do this, they shall be moved to a lower
status by their owner. But if this is done with the knowledge of the
master, the household will be immediately uprooted, and the whole of
his family will perish. The people responsible will be afflicted by
the worst diseases and wounds and their limbs will be weakened. Then
even the land will be shaken by storms or whirlwinds and many
landslips. The crops will be frequently laid low and cut down by rain
and hail, they will perish in the heat of the summer, they will be
killed off by blight. There will be civil strife amongst the people.
Know that these things happen, when such crimes are committed.
Therefore do not be either a deceitful or treacherous. Place restraint
in your heart. ..." - Tarquitius, Etruscan haruspex (c. 90 B.C.)

"Ortum videamus haruspicinae; sic facillume quid habeat auctoritatis
iudicabimus. Tages quidam dicitur in agro Tarquiniensi, cum terra
araretur et sulcus altius esset impressus, exstitisse repente et eum
adfatus esse qui arabat. Is autem Tages, ut in libris est Etruscorum,
puerili specie dicitur visus, sed senili fuisse prudentia. Eius
adspectu cum obstipuisset bubulcus clamoremque maiorem cum admiratione
edidisset, concursum esse factum, totamque brevi tempore in eum locum
Etruriam convenisse. Tum illum plura locutum multis audientibus, qui
omnia verba eius exceperint litterisque mandarint. Omnem autem
orationem fuisse eam qua haruspicinae disciplina contineretur; eam
postea crevisse rebus novis cognoscendis et ad eadem illa principia
referendis. Haec accepimus ab ipsis, haec scripta conservant, hunc
fontem habent disciplinae." - M. Tullius Cicero, "de Divinatione", 2.50

On this day the Etruscans celebrated in honor of the god Fufluns.
Flufuns is an Etruscan god of vegetation, vitality and gaiety, son of
the earth-goddess Semia. He shows many similarities with Dionysus and
Bacchus, the Greek and Roman gods of wine. The Etruscan religion was,
like Christianity and Judaism, a revealed religion. An account of the
revelation is given by Cicero (On Divination, 2.50). One day, says
the legend, in a field near the river Marta in Teruria, a strange
event occurred. A divine being rose up from the newly ploughed furrow,
a being with the appearance of a child, but with the wisdom of an old
man. The startled cry of the ploughman brought the lucomones, the
priest-kings of Etruria hurrying up to the spot. To them, the wise
child chanted the sacred doctrine, which they reverently listened to
and wrote down, so that this most precious possession could be passed
on to their successors. Immediately after the revelation, the
miraculous being fell dead and disappeared into the ploughed field.
His name was Tages, and he was believed to be the son of Genius and
grandson of the highest God, Tinia (or Iuppiter as he became known to
the Romans). This doctrine was known to the Romans as the "disciplina
etrusca".


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Fufluns
(http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/religion.html) and
(http://www.pantheon.org/articles/f/fufluns.html)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41315 From: CN•EQVIT•MARINVS (Gnaeus Equitius Mari Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Edictum Censorium concerning the continuation of previous censorial
Ex Officio Censoris Gnaei Equiti Marini

EDICTVM CENSORIVM A GNAEO EQVITIO MARINO

The following edicta, issued last year by my then-colleague Caeso Fabius Buteo
Quintilianus, are hereby continued in effect through this year:

Edictum Censoris CFQ XXXVII de Approbationibus 15 Sep 2005

Edictum Censoris CFBQ XLI about the the correction of the family
facts in the "Domus project". 23 Dec 2005

Additionally, the following jointly issued edicta shall remain in force:

EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE NOMINIBVS MVTANDIS 21 Oct 2005

EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE INCREMENTO FAMILIARVM 31 Oct 2005

Hoc edictum statim valet.

This edict is effective immediately.

Datum sub manu mea pridie Nonus Ianuarias MMDCCLIX ab urbe condita

Given under my hand this 4th day of January 2759 a.u.c (2006 C.E.)

Gaio Fabio Buteo Modiano Pompeia Minucia Strabo consulibus.

In the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia Strabo


CN•EQVIT•MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41316 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Salve,



Si vales valeo!



I can't believe how gorgeous the calendar is! I've got to have it! How much
would it cost in US dollars?



Vale,



Gaia Galeria Aquila



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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Caius Curius Saturninus
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:11 AM
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; thulenovaroma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!



Salvete omnes,

Now it's finally here! The long waiting has ended!

ROMAN WALL CALENDARS FOR THIS YEAR ARE ON SALE NOW!

My deepest apologies for not being able to get them on sale sooner,
but unexpected things happen when many people are involved in the
process. In any case, it's about time for everyone to buy calendar
for this year, and a Roman one is the best one if you ask my opinion!

The calendar is A4 size, full color with beautiful photos from Rome,
and of course with both Roman and modern dates for your convenience.
Price is only 10 Euros + postage costs. As I'm a member of Ordo
Equester, a portion of the revenues of the calendar go to the Nova
Roman treasury. I have applied from the Senate a permission to call
this the official Nova Roma calendar, but I have not yet recieved any
decision on that, so I'll advertise this calendar as "potentially
official Nova Roma calendar".

Please see for more information the calendar shop site with ordering
information:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar

ORDER YOURS TODAY!

Valete,


Caius Curius Saturninus

Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41317 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Salve,

Here is a good currency converter site: http://www.xe.com/ucc/ to use.

Vale,

Quintus Servilius Priscus


On Wed, January 4, 2006 4:57 pm, Cant97 wrote:
> Salve,
>
>
>
> Si vales valeo!
>
>
>
> I can't believe how gorgeous the calendar is! I've got to have it! How
> much
> would it cost in US dollars?
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
>
>
> Gaia Galeria Aquila
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Caius Curius Saturninus
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:11 AM
> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; thulenovaroma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
>
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Now it's finally here! The long waiting has ended!
>
> ROMAN WALL CALENDARS FOR THIS YEAR ARE ON SALE NOW!
>
> My deepest apologies for not being able to get them on sale sooner,
> but unexpected things happen when many people are involved in the
> process. In any case, it's about time for everyone to buy calendar
> for this year, and a Roman one is the best one if you ask my opinion!
>
> The calendar is A4 size, full color with beautiful photos from Rome,
> and of course with both Roman and modern dates for your convenience.
> Price is only 10 Euros + postage costs. As I'm a member of Ordo
> Equester, a portion of the revenues of the calendar go to the Nova
> Roman treasury. I have applied from the Senate a permission to call
> this the official Nova Roma calendar, but I have not yet recieved any
> decision on that, so I'll advertise this calendar as "potentially
> official Nova Roma calendar".
>
> Please see for more information the calendar shop site with ordering
> information:
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar
>
> ORDER YOURS TODAY!
>
> Valete,
>
>
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>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41318 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: Congratulations and something more
SALVETE !
AVE OPTIME AMICE, IULIUS SULLA !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Iulius" <21aprile@e...>
wrote:
> As former Aedilis Curulis, I wish a happy new working year to all
> the elected magistrates (I'm glad to see how almost all my
> preferences were elected!).>>>>

Thank you, and all the best in this year !

> And I'm happy to see how all my strict collaborators to the Magna
> Mater Project were elected: my Cohors gave Nova Roma a Consul
> (Pompeia), a new Aedilis Curulis (Sabinus), a new Quaestor
> (Lentulus), a dibritor (Minervalis). Not so bad indeed!>>>>

It's true ! And indeed, not so bad. You was inspired and that is
great.

> I wish a particular happy new year to the new elected Aediles
> Curules, Gn Eq Cato and T Iul Sabinus, specially to the last one:
> he's a friend, a great man and worked so hard in my Cohors Sullana
> last year; I'd like he to continue this work being charged of the
> Magna Mater Project. That's my hope.>>>>

Thank you, amice. Thank you for this words : "he's a friend",
because in my opinion this is the best part of NR. To work together
and to become friends.

VALE ET VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41319 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
Thank you much!



_____

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charlie Collins
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:39 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!



Salve,

Here is a good currency converter site: http://www.xe.com/ucc/ to use.

Vale,

Quintus Servilius Priscus


On Wed, January 4, 2006 4:57 pm, Cant97 wrote:
> Salve,
>
>
>
> Si vales valeo!
>
>
>
> I can't believe how gorgeous the calendar is! I've got to have it! How
> much
> would it cost in US dollars?
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
>
>
> Gaia Galeria Aquila
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Caius Curius Saturninus
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:11 AM
> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; thulenovaroma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] ROMAN WALL CALENDARS ARE ON SALE NOW!
>
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Now it's finally here! The long waiting has ended!
>
> ROMAN WALL CALENDARS FOR THIS YEAR ARE ON SALE NOW!
>
> My deepest apologies for not being able to get them on sale sooner,
> but unexpected things happen when many people are involved in the
> process. In any case, it's about time for everyone to buy calendar
> for this year, and a Roman one is the best one if you ask my opinion!
>
> The calendar is A4 size, full color with beautiful photos from Rome,
> and of course with both Roman and modern dates for your convenience.
> Price is only 10 Euros + postage costs. As I'm a member of Ordo
> Equester, a portion of the revenues of the calendar go to the Nova
> Roman treasury. I have applied from the Senate a permission to call
> this the official Nova Roma calendar, but I have not yet recieved any
> decision on that, so I'll advertise this calendar as "potentially
> official Nova Roma calendar".
>
> Please see for more information the calendar shop site with ordering
> information:
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar
>
> ORDER YOURS TODAY!
>
> Valete,
>
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41320 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Re: Consular Edictum : Appointment of Custodian and Quaestor of Ma
IVL SABINVS CONSULIBUS S.P.D. :

Thank you for your trust. It's a honour for me.

"Who is then the Mother of the Gods? She is the source of the
intellectual and creative gods, who in their turn guide the visible
gods: she is both the mother and the spouse of mighty Zeus; She came
into being next to and together with the great Creator; She is in
control of every form of life, and the Cause of all generation; She
easily brings to perfection all things that are made. Without pain
She brings to birth ... She is the Motherless Maiden, enthroned at
the very side of Zeus, and in very truth is the Mother of All the
Gods ..."

Emperor Julian II "the Blessed", from an Oration to Cybele composed
at Pessinus.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "P. Minucia Tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:
>
> Ex officium Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Consul Novae Romae 2759
A.U.C.
> Ex officum Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo Consul Novae Romae
2759 A.U.C.
>
> This edictum, issued by the Consuls via authority of IV 2.b Nova
Roma Constitution
> officially proclaims Curule Aedile 2759 A.U.C. Titus Iulius
Sabinus as this year's Custodian of the Magna Mater Project, in
said capacity to preside over the administrative functions, Magna
Mater website development, all events and games related to the
Magna Mater Project.
>
> This edictum further serves to appoint Marcus Iulius Perusianus
Quaestor as Official Quaestor of the Magna Mater fund 2759 A.U.C.
>
> Issued this day by our hands Ian III 2759 A.U.C.
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41321 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-01-04
Subject: Ius Iurandum - Oath of Office
Titus Iulius Sabinus Quiritibus S.P.D. :

Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), hac re ipsa decus Novae
Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae
acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.
Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), officio Aedilis Curulis
Novae Romae accepto, Deos Deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae
publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque
vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.
Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), Religioni Romanae me
fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum
me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.
Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu) officiis muneris Aedilis
Curulis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.
Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram Deis Deabusque Populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Aedilis Curulis una cum
iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

---------------------------------------------------

I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian
Zavoianu), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my
public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.
I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.
I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile
to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Curule Aedile and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Sworn this day, January 5th, in the consulship of G. Fabius Buteo
Modianus and Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.

VALETE.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41322 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-05
Subject: Non. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Nonis Ianuariis; haec dies fastus est.


"Thereupon greater strife arose between them than before, as each,
while secretly striving for the advantage, was ostensibly willing to
accept equality, for the following reason. Their grandfather, as I
have stated, had ordered that he to whom the more favourable birds
first appeared should rule the colony; but, as the same kind of birds
had been seen by both, one had the advantage of seeing them first and
the other that of seeing the greater number. The rest of the people
also espoused their quarrel, and arming themselves without orders from
their leaders, began war; and a sharp battle ensued in which many were
slain on both sides. In the course of this battle, as some say,
Faustulus, who had brought up the youths, wishing to put an end to the
strife of the brothers and being unable to do so, threw himself
unarmed into the midst of the combatants, seeking the speediest death,
which fell out accordingly. Some say also that the stone lion which
stood in the principal part of the Forum near the rostra was placed
over the body of Faustulus, who was buried by those who found him in
the place where he fell Remus having been slain in this action,
Romulus, who had gained a most melancholy victory through the death of
his brother and the mutual slaughter of citizens, buried Remus at
Remoria, since when alive he had clung to it as the site for the new
city. As for himself, in his grief and repentance for what had
happened, he became dejected and lost all desire for life. But when
Laurentia, who had received the babes when newly born and brought them
up and loved them no less than a mother, entreated and comforted him,
he listened to her and rose up, and gathering together the Latins who
had not been slain in the battle (they were now little more than three
thousand out of a very great multitude at first, when he led out the
colony), he built a city on the Palatine hill.

The account I have given seems to me the most probable of the stories
about the death of Remus. However, if any has been handed down that
differs from this, let that also be related. Some, indeed, say that
Remus yielded the leadership to Romulus, though not without resentment
and anger at the fraud, but that after the wall was built, wishing to
demonstrate the weakness of the fortification, he cried, 'Well, as for
this wall, one of your enemies could as easily cross it as I do,' and
immediately leaped over it. Thereupon Celer, one of the men standing
on the wall, who was overseer of the work, said, 'Well, as for this
enemy, one of us could easily punish him,' and striking him on the
head with a mattock, he killed him then and there. Such is said to
have been the outcome of the quarrel between the brothers.

Such, then, are the facts concerning the origin of the Romans which I
have been able to discover a reading very diligently many works
written by both Greek and Roman authors. Hence, from now on let the
reader forever renounce the views of those who make Rome a retreat of
barbarians, fugitive and vagabonds, and let him confidently affirm it
to be a Greek city, — which will be easy when he shows that it is at
once the most hospitable and friendly of all cities, and when he bears
in mind that the Aborigines were Oenotrians, and these in turn
Arcadians, and remembers those who joined with them in their
settlement, the Pelasgians who were Argives by descent and came into
Italy from Thessaly; and recalls, moreover, the arrival of Evander and
the Arcadians, who settled round the Palatine hill, after the
Aborigines had granted the place to them; and also the Peloponnesians,
who, coming along with Hercules, settled upon the Saturnian hill; and,
last of all, those who left the Troad and were intermixed with the
earlier settlers." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquitius"
1.87-88


"Plouton [Hades] fell in love with Persephone, and with Zeus' help
secretly kidnapped her. Demeter roamed the earth over in search of
her, by day and by night with torches. When she learned from the
Hermionians that Plouton had kidnapped her, enraged at the gods she
left the sky, and in the likeness of a woman made her way to Eleusis
...When Zeus commanded Plouton to send Kore [Persephone] back up,
Plouto gave her a pomegranate seed to eat, as assurance that she would
not remain long with her mother. With no foreknowledge of the outcome
of her act, she consumed it. Askalaphos, the son of Akheron and
Gorgyra, bore witness against her, in punishment for which Demeter
pinned him down with a heavy rock in Haides' realm. But Persephone was
obliged to spend a third of each year with Plouton, and the remainder
of the year among the gods." - Apollodorus, The Library 1.29

"He [Hades] with Demeter's girl [Persephone] captive, through grassy
plains, drawn in a four-yoked car with loosened reins, rapt over the
deep, impelled by love, you flew till Eleusinia's city rose to view:
there, in a wondrous cave obscure and deep, the sacred maid secure
from search you keep, the cave of Atthis, whose wide gates display an
entrance to the kingdoms void of day." - Orphic Hymn 18 to Pluton

"Pluto asked from Iove that he give him in marriage Ceres' daughter
and his own. Iove said that Ceres would not permit her daughter to
live in gloomy Tartarus, but bade him seize her as she was gathering
flowers on Mount Etna, which is in Sicily. While Proserpina
[Persephone] was gathering flowers with Venus, Diana, and Minerva,
Pluto came in his four-horse chariot, and seized her. Afterwards Ceres
obtained from Iove permission for her to stay half of the year with
her, and half with Pluto." - Hyginus, Fabulae 146

In ancient Greece today was held in honor of the goddess Kore, known
to the Romans as Persephone or Proserpina. One day Kore was gathering
flowers in the flelds of Nysa with her companions when she suddenly
noticed a narcissus of striking beauty. She tan to pick it, but as she
bent down to do so the earth gaped open and Hades appeared. He seized
her and dragged her with him down into the depths of the earth.
According to another tradition, the abduction of Kore took place on
the heights near the town of Enna in Sicily. And in the neighbourhood
of Syracuse they showed the place where Hades plunged back into the
earth, hollowing out a vast cavity in the process, since filled by
waters from the spring of Cyane. Colonus in Attica, Hermione in
Argolis, Pheneus in Arcadia and even Crete, likewise claimed for their
territory the honour of this divine abduction.

Demeter meanwhile had heard her child's despairing cry for help.
'Then,' says the poet of the Homeric hymn, 'bitter sorrow seized her
heart...Over her shoulders she threw a sombre veil and flew like a
bird over land and sea, seeking here, seekíng there...' For nine days
the venerable goddess ranged the world, bearing flaming torches in her
hands. At last on Hecate's advice, she went to consult the divine
Helios who revealed to her the name of her daughter's ravísher. 'No
other god is guilty,' he said to her, 'but Zeus himself, who awarded
thy daughter to his brother Hades so that he might call her his
flowering bride.' This revelation overwhelmed Demeter. In rage and
despair she withdrew from Olympus and in the guise of an old woman
sought refuge among the cities of men.

Still inconsolable at the loss of her daughter, Demeter retired to her
temple at Eleusis. There 'she prepared for mankind a cruel and
terrible year: the earth refused to give forth any crop. Then would
the entire human race have perished of cruel, biting hunger if Zeus
had not bcen concerned.' He hastened to send his messenger Iris to
Demeter, but without success. Then all the gods carne one by one to
supplicate the implacable goddess. She stated fiatly that she would
not permit the earth to bear fruit unless she saw her daughter again.
There was no solution except to give in. Zeus commanded Hermes to
descend into the kingdom of Hades and obtain Hades' promise to return
young Kore - who since her arrival in the underworld had taken the
name Persephone - to her mother. Hades complied with the will of Zeus,
but before sending his wife up to earth tempted her to eat a few
pomegranate seeds. Now this fruit was a symbol of marriage and the
effect of eating it was to tender the union of man and wife indissoluble.

When Kore returned to the world of light her mother hastened to her
and embraced her with transports of joy. 'My daughter,' she cried,
'surely thou hast eaten nothing during your imprisonment in the dark
regions of Hades! For if thou hast not eaten thou shalt live with me
on Olympus. But if thou hast, then must thou return to the depths of
the earth!' Kore admitted that she had tasted of the fatal
pomegranate. lt seemed that Demeter was again to lose her daughter.

As a compromise Zeus decided that Persephone should live with her
husband for one-third of the year and pass the other two-thirds with
her mother. The august Rhea herself brought this proposal to Demeter
who agreed to it. She set aside her anger and bade the soil again be
fertile. The vast earth was soon covered with leaves and flowers.
Before she returned to Olympus, Demeter taught the kings of the earth
her divine science and initiated them into her sacred mysteries.


Valete bene!

Cato




SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Kore
(http://www.mercurialis.com/spiritus/eleusis/demeter_larousse.htm) and
(http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Persephone.html)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41323 From: David Kling Date: 2006-01-05
Subject: EDICTVM CONSVLARE DE CREATIONE ACCENSORVM
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

EDICTVM CONSVLARE DE CREATIONE ACCENSORVM

Ex hoc, Cyrene Lucretia Corva Apollinaris Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
accensae creantur.

Nullum ius iurandum poscetur.

Hoc edictum statim valet.

Datum sub manu mea Non. Ian. 2759

C. Fabio Buteone Modiano Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabone consulibus

---

In accordance with this edict, Cyrene Lucretia Corva Apollinaris and
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia are appointed accensae.

No oath shall be required.

This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under my hand this 5th day of January, 2006 CE.

In the Consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia
Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41324 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Date: 2006-01-05
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBAE
C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete omnes.

EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBAE

Ex hoc, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus scriba una cum iuribus, privilegiis,
et muneribus eius creatur.

Nullum ius iurandum poscetur.

Datum sub manu mea

NONVS IANVARIAS MMDCCLIX A.V.C.

C. Fabio Buteone Modiano Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabone consulibus.

-----------------------

In accordance with this edict, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is appointed
scriba together with the rights, privileges, and duties thereof.

No oath shall be required.

Given under my hand

The Nones of January, 2759 years from the founding of the City (5th day
of January, 2006 CE .

In the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia
Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.

Valete Bene,
--
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Censor
Senator
Pontifex et Minervae Aedis Sacerdos
Legate Massachusetts Regio
c.minucius.hadrianus@...

"What does it matter by which wisdom each of us arrives at the truth? It
is not possible that only road leads to so sublime a mystery."
- Quintus Aurelius Symmachus c. 340-c.402

"We are all, so far as we inherit the civilization of Europe, still
citizens of the Roman Empire, and time as not yet proved Virgil wrong
when he wrote:
/nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

-T.S. Eliot

"/His ego nec metas rerum nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

"For the achievement of these people I fix neither spatial boundaries or
temporal limits: I have given them empire without end."

-Virgil, /Aeneid/ I.278,279


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