Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Jan 24-31, 2006
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41501 From: James Mathews Date: 2006-01-24
Subject: Legio VI "Ferrata"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41502 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-24
Subject: a.d. IX Kal. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41503 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2006-01-25
Subject: Re: Rome Original Series in DVD
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41504 From: dicconf Date: 2006-01-25
Subject: Upcoming: New England Conference on Mithraic Studies
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41505 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-25
Subject: Re: Upcoming: New England Conference on Mithraic Studies
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41506 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: a.d VII Kal. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41507 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Re: Rome Original Series in DVD
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41508 From: Lorena T. Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Keeping Healthy in Roman Times
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41509 From: Timothy P. Gallagher Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: The Praetorivm Tiberi Galeri Pavlni
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41510 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Re: The Praetorivm Tiberi Galeri Pavlni
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41511 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Results of the CPT
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41512 From: S Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Re: Results of the CPT
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41513 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Re: The Praetorivm Tiberi Galeri Pavlni
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41514 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-27
Subject: Re: Results of the CPT
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41515 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-27
Subject: Re: The Praetorivm Tiberi Galeri Pavlni
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41516 From: Titus Marcius Felix Date: 2006-01-27
Subject: Re: The Praetorivm Tiberi Galeri Pavlni
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41517 From: raven_soultamer69 Date: 2006-01-27
Subject: yay!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41518 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-27
Subject: Re: yay!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41519 From: marcushoratius Date: 2006-01-28
Subject: Re: Keeping Healthy in Roman Times
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41520 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-28
Subject: a.d. V Kal. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41521 From: centorious Date: 2006-01-28
Subject: Re: yay!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41522 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-28
Subject: Comitia Plebis Tributa Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41523 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-28
Subject: Re: yay!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41524 From: jorjor1177 Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41525 From: marcushoratius Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41526 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41527 From: centorious Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Citizenship Test!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41528 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41529 From: Peter Bird Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41530 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41531 From: centorious Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Path to Glory!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41532 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: a.d. IV Kal. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41533 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41534 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path to Glory!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41535 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41536 From: Tim Gallagher Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: "Path to glory"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41537 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Citizenship Test!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41538 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41539 From: flavius leviticus Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41540 From: Tim Gallagher Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41541 From: flavius leviticus Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path to Glory!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41542 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41543 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41544 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41545 From: flavius leviticus Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Citizenship Test!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41546 From: flavius leviticus Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41547 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path to Glory! (NOW OFF TOPIC!!!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41548 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Year of The Dog
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41549 From: robertpartlow Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Peace and cooperative respect are always the issue.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41550 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: a.d. III Kal. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41551 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41552 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Re: Peace and cooperative respect are always the issue.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41553 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Gallia Podcast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41554 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Re: Gallia Podcast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41555 From: Gaïus Minius Gallus Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Biographies abut Marcus Antonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41556 From: Shadow DarkFyre Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Re: Peace and cooperative respect are always the issue.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41557 From: Steve Mesnick Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Biographies abut Marcus Antonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41558 From: dicconf Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Year of The Dog
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41559 From: dicconf Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Peace and cooperative respect are always the issue.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41560 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Propraetor Provinciae Brasiliae - Keeping on the job!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41561 From: muzafer33 Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41562 From: muzafer33 Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Origin of latin speaking people
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41563 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: prid. Kal. Feb.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41564 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Propraetor Provinciae Brasiliae - Keeping on the job!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41565 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41566 From: flavius leviticus Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41567 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41568 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: MM website promotion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41569 From: Iulia Caesaris Cytheris Aege Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41570 From: marcushoratius Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41571 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41572 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Gallia Podcast
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41573 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: yay!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41574 From: marcushoratius Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: MM website promotion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41575 From: S Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41501 From: James Mathews Date: 2006-01-24
Subject: Legio VI "Ferrata"
Ladies and Gentlemen;

This message is for those of you who may find military involvement more facinating than political Klack. I have been asked to "hold" Legio VI "Ferrata" for it's founder and commander until he returns from his period of service to his country.

This Legio is an organization which is primarily an Internet Legio much as Nova Roma is in many ways an internet micronation. The Legio is formed in it's present configuration for the purpose of military fellowship, and information regarding the operation and formation of the Roman Legio. It offers the opportunity for those interested in being part of a Roman Legio where a local operating legio is not available and contains within it's archives much material regarding Legionary's Kit, Legion and Century Organization, and also information on how to form a local legio, century or contuberium for your enjoyment in areas where none such now exist. It will also from time to time make announcement of events made known to the Legio, around the worl, and will link to other legions with their permision to keep our members abreast of legio actions whenever and whereever we are able to determine that they are taking place.

Legio VI "Ferrata", Cohort II Century II is one of several units which look to Legio VI as the home legion , however this unit is formed for a different purpose than most other legios. Legion VI will also be pleased to work closely with the NR Sodalitas Militarium in receivng new information , research, archelogical findings and other information relating to the Roman Legions.

If anyone is interested in this offer to review who we are please contact myself at

jmath669642reng@webtv,net

for further information.

My thanks for your very kind consideration of this posting;

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens;
Commander (acting)
Legio VI "Ferrata (ironclad), Cohort II, Century II, Fidelis Constans (Loyal and Steady)




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41502 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-24
Subject: a.d. IX Kal. Feb.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem IX Kalendas Februarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"The first division of religious rites he assigned to the thirty
curiones, who, as I have stated, perform the public sacrifices for the
curiae. The second, to those called by the Greeks stephanephoroi or
'wearers of the crown' and by the Romans flamines; they are given this
name from their wearing caps and fillets, called 'flama', which they
continue to wear even to this day. The third, to the commanders of
the celeres, who, as I have stated, were appointed to be the
body-guards of the kings and fought both as cavalry and infantry; for
these also performed certain specified rites. The fourth, to those
who interpret the signs sent by the gods and determine what they
portend both to private persons and to the public; these, from one
branch of the speculations belonging to their art, the Romans call
augurs, and we should call them oionopoloi or 'soothsayers by means of
birds'; they are skilled in all sorts of divination in use among the
Romans, whether founded on signs appearing in the heavens, in mid-air
or on the earth. The fifth he assigned to the virgins who are the
guardians of the sacred fire and who are called Vestals by the Romans,
after the goddess whom they serve, he himself having been the first to
build a temple at Rome to Vesta and to appoint virgins to be her
priestesses. But concerning them it is necessary to make a few
statements that are most essential, since the subject requires it; for
there are problems that have been thought worthy of investigation by
many Roman historians in connexion with this topic and those authors
who have not diligently examined into the causes of these matters have
published rather worthless accounts.

At any rate, as regards the building of the temple of Vesta, some
ascribe it to Romulus, looking upon it as an inconceivable thing that,
when a city was being founded by a man skilled in divination, a public
hearth should not have been erected first of all, particularly since
the founder had been brought up at Alba, where the temple of this
goddess had been established from ancient times, and since his mother
had been her priestess. And recognizing two classes of religious
ceremonies — the one public and common to all the citizens, and the
other private and confined to particular families — they declare that
on both these grounds Romulus was under every obligation to worship
this goddess. For they say that nothing is more necessary for men
than a public hearth, and that nothing more nearly concerned Romulus,
in view of his descent, since his ancestors had brought the sacred
rites of this goddess from Ilium and his mother had been her
priestess. Those, then, who for these reasons ascribe the building of
the temple to Romulus rather than to Numa seem to be right, in so far
as the general principle is concerned that, when a city was being
founded, it was necessary for a hearth to be established first of all,
particularly by a man who was not unskilled in matters of religion;
but of the details relating to the building of the present temple and
to the virgins who are in the service of the goddess they seem to have
been ignorant. For, in the first place, it was not Romulus who
consecrated to the goddess this place where the sacred fire is
preserved (a strong proof of this is that it is outside of what they
call Roma Quadrata, which he surrounded with a wall, whereas all men
place the shrine of the public hearth in the best part of a city and
nobody outside of the walls); and, in the second place, he did not
appoint the service of the goddess to be performed by virgins, being
mindful, I believe, of the experience that had befallen his mother,
who while she was serving the goddess lost her virginity; for he
doubtless felt that the remembrance of his domestic misfortunes would
make it impossible for him to punish according to the traditional laws
any of the priestesses he should find to have been violated. For this
reason, therefore, he did not build a common temple of Vesta nor did
he appoint virgins to be her priestesses; but having erected a hearth
in each of the thirty curiae on which the members sacrificed, he
appointed the chiefs of the curiae to be the priests of those hearths,
therein imitating the customs of the Greeks that are still observed in
the most ancient cities. At any rate, what are called prytaneia among
them are temples of Hestia, and are served by the chief magistrates of
the cities." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 2.64-65


"On the ninth day before the Kalends of February at about the seventh
hour he hesitated whether or not to get up for luncheon, since his
stomach was still disordered from excess of food on the day before,
but at length he came out at the persuasion of his friends. In the
covered passage through which he had to pass, some boys of good birth,
who had been summoned from Asia to appear on the stage, were
rehearsing their parts, and he stopped to watch and encourage them;
and had not the leader of the troop complained that he had a chill, he
would have returned and had the performance given at once. From this
point there are two versions of the story: some say that as he was
talking with the boys, Chaerea came up behind, and gave him a deep cut
in the neck, having first cried, 'Take that,' and that then the
tribune Cornelius Sabinus, who was the other conspirator and faced
Gaius, stabbed him in the breast. Others say that Sabinus, after
getting rid of the crowd through centurions who were in the plot,
asked for the watchword, as soldiers do; and that when Gaius gave him
'Jupiter,' he cried 'So be it,' and as Gaius looked around, he split
his jawbone with a blow of his sword. As he lay upon the ground and
with writhing limbs called out that he still lived, the others
dispatched him with thirty wounds; for the general signal was 'Strike
again.' Some even thrust their swords through his privates. At the
beginning of the disturbance his bearers ran to his aid with their
poles, and presently the Germans of his body-guard, and they slew
several of his assassins, as well as some inoffensive senators." -
Suetonius, Lives of the Caesars, "Gaius" LVIII

"His surname Caligula he derived from a joke of the troops, because he
was brought up in their midst in the dress of a common soldier. To
what extent besides he won their love and devotion by being reared in
fellowship with them is especially evident from the fact that when
they threatened mutiny after the death of Augustus and were ready for
any act of madness, the mere sight of Gaius unquestionably calmed
them. For they did not become quiet until they saw that he was being
spirited away because of the danger from their outbreak and taken for
protection to the nearest town. Then at last they became contrite, and
laying hold of the carriage and stopping it, begged to be spared the
disgrace which was being put upon them." - Suetonius, Lives of the
Caesars, "Gaius" IX


On this day in A.D. 41 the emperor Gaius Caesar Augustus Germanicus,
known as "Caligula", was murdered by his own Praetorian Guard, led by
Cassius Chaerea. He was 29 years old, and had reigned for just under
4 years. His brutality and fits of insanity are legendary; he did
not, however, make his horse Incitatus a senator. He did consider
making him a consul.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Seutonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41503 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2006-01-25
Subject: Re: Rome Original Series in DVD
Salve Seutonius,

> No word out yet from what I can see but the average time from TV
> showing to DVD release is 9 months. Most likely it will first appear
> in video stores. Some take over a year or longer like the
> series "Deadwood" for example. Right now, "Empire" which was out a
> few months before "Rome" is available on DVD now.

If a movie or a tv series has a different release date in Europe, normally there will be no DVD in
the US until after it is shown in Europe. 'Rome' has just aired on BBC and on Belgian television and
it is currently airing on The Netherlands tv. So expect the U.S. DVD of Rome very soon.

And now a plug:
If anyone ever has any questions about movies they can always ask the SF Chronicle Chief Movie
Critic Mick LaSalle via his weeky column "Ask the Movie Critic". He also has a weekly podcast. He's
great. And he just happens to be my beloved brother :-)
http://www.sfgate.com/eguide/movies/

Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41504 From: dicconf Date: 2006-01-25
Subject: Upcoming: New England Conference on Mithraic Studies
Salve, cives!

There will be a conference in New Haven the viii and ix Aprilis, arranged
by Jane Sibley (Sybilla of gens Cassia). Plans are a scholarly raid on
the stacks of Yale University Library followed by a Bull Feast and evening
presentations on Mithraism in the Imperium Romanum and on allied subjects
of interest to students of history.

Convention sessions will be held at the New Haven Courtyard-by-Marriott,
about four blocks from Yale Library. Further information will follow
shortly; the current web page* will be updated to give conference fees
(which are minuscule) and room rates. The Courtyard has ample parking on
site, a marvellous thing for downtown in a university town.

If any know a current email address for Senator Patricia Cassia, will
they post it to me? I need to get in touch with the lady, since she has
the codes to access the Mithracon web page so it can be updated.

-- Dick Eney (no citizen name as yet; pending the censors' test)

*I really don't know the Latin for "web page"...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41505 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-25
Subject: Re: Upcoming: New England Conference on Mithraic Studies
> Salue, Ricarde, et saluete, omnes!
>
>
> Salve, cives!
>
> There will be a conference in New Haven the viii and ix Aprilis, arranged
> by Jane Sibley (Sybilla of gens Cassia). Plans are a scholarly raid on
> the stacks of Yale University Library followed by a Bull Feast and evening
> presentations on Mithraism in the Imperium Romanum and on allied subjects
> of interest to students of history.
>
> ATS: Don¹t attack the stacks, please! Just visit them.
>
> Convention sessions will be held at the New Haven Courtyard-by-Marriott,
> about four blocks from Yale Library. Further information will follow
> shortly; the current web page* will be updated to give conference fees
> (which are minuscule) and room rates. The Courtyard has ample parking on
> site, a marvellous thing for downtown in a university town.
>
> If any know a current email address for Senator Patricia Cassia, will
> they post it to me? I need to get in touch with the lady, since she has
> the codes to access the Mithracon web page so it can be updated.
>
> ATS: It¹s not necessary to have the e-mail of someone in order to reach
> that person; one can do it via webmail from the A.C. or from the lists.
>
> -- Dick Eney (no citizen name as yet; pending the censors' test)
>
> ATS: The Roman name does not depend on the citizenship test; it depends
> on the citizenship application, and the approval by the censorial scribae,
> notably by yours truly and the other Latinists on the staff.
>
> *I really don't know the Latin for "web page"...
>
> ATS: I do. The most common term seems to be pagina interretialis. The
> Academia Thules offers Latin classes; those interested can begin next Fall, if
> not sooner, though not at present as all classes began in the Fall and are
> well underway.
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
> Classicist
> Rogatrix (citizen registrar)
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41506 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: a.d VII Kal. Feb.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VII Kalendas Februarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"Numa, upon taking over the rule, did not disturb the individual
hearths of the curiae, but erected one common to them all in the space
between the Capitoline hill and the Palatine (for these hills had
already been united by a single wall into one city, and the Forum, in
which the temple is built, lies between them), and he enacted, in
accordance with the ancestral custom of the Latins, that the guarding
of the holy things should be committed to virgins. There is some
doubt, however, what it is that is kept in this temple and for what
reason the care of it has been assigned to virgins, some affirming
that nothing is preserved there but the fire, which is visible to
everybody. And they very reasonably argue that the custody of the fire
was committed to virgins, rather than to men, because fire in
incorrupt and a virgin is undefiled, and the most chaste of mortal
things must be agreeable to the purest of those that are divine. And
they regard the fire as consecrated to Vesta because that goddess,
being the earthLink to the editor's note at the bottom of this page
and occupying the central place in the universe, kindles the celestial
fires from herself. But there are some who say that besides the fire
there are some holy things in the temple of the goddess that may not
be revealed to the public, of which only the pontiffs and the virgins
have knowledge. As a strong confirmation of this story they cite
what happened at the burning of the temple during the First Punic War
between the Romans and the Carthaginians over Sicily. For when the
temple caught fire and the virgins fled from the flames, one of the
pontiffs, Lucius Caecilius, called Metellus, a man of consular rank,
the same who exhibited a hundred and thirty-eight elephants in the
memorable triumph which he celebrated for his defeat of the
Carthaginians in Sicily, neglecting his own safety for the sake of the
public good, ventured to force his way into the burning structure,
and, snatching up the holy things which the virgins had abandoned,
saved them from the fire; for which he received the honours from the
State, as the inscription upon his statue on the Capitol testifies.
Taking this incident, then, as an admitted fact, they add some
conjectures of their own. Thus, some affirm that the objects preserved
here are a part of those holy things which were once in Samothrace;
that Dardanus removed them out of that island into the city which he
himself had built, and that Aeneas, when he fled from the Troad,
brought them along with the other holy things into Italy. But others
declare that it is the Palladium that fell from Heaven, the same that
was in the possession of the people of Ilium; for they hold that
Aeneas, being well acquainted with it, brought it into Italy, whereas
the Achaeans stole away the copy — an incident about which many
stories have been related both by poets and by historians. section
6For my part, I find from very many evidences that there are indeed
some holy things, unknown to the public, kept by the virgins, and not
the fire alone; but what they are I do not think should be inquired
into too curiously, either by me of by anyone else who wishes to
observe the reverence due to the gods." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquities" 2.66


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41507 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Re: Rome Original Series in DVD
Salve Diana,

Thanks for the link!

Regards,

QSP



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Octavia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
>
> Salve Seutonius,
>
> > No word out yet from what I can see but the average time from TV
> > showing to DVD release is 9 months. Most likely it will first
appear
> > in video stores. Some take over a year or longer like the
> > series "Deadwood" for example. Right now, "Empire" which was out
a
> > few months before "Rome" is available on DVD now.
>
> If a movie or a tv series has a different release date in Europe,
normally there will be no DVD in
> the US until after it is shown in Europe. 'Rome' has just aired on
BBC and on Belgian television and
> it is currently airing on The Netherlands tv. So expect the U.S.
DVD of Rome very soon.
>
> And now a plug:
> If anyone ever has any questions about movies they can always ask
the SF Chronicle Chief Movie
> Critic Mick LaSalle via his weeky column "Ask the Movie Critic".
He also has a weekly podcast. He's
> great. And he just happens to be my beloved brother :-)
> http://www.sfgate.com/eguide/movies/
>
> Vale,
> Diana
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41508 From: Lorena T. Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Keeping Healthy in Roman Times
Salve et Salvete Omnes,

I am looking for books, internet sites, resources regarding staying healthy in Ancient Rome.

I have a young Roman at home that is researching the subject.

Thank you in advance for any information!



Lucia Valeria Vera


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41509 From: Timothy P. Gallagher Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: The Praetorivm Tiberi Galeri Pavlni
Salve Nova Romans

I would like to announce the establishment of the Praetorivm Tiberi
Galeri Pavlni which can be found at http://www.praetortgp.org This
website is intended as a clearing house of information for Nova
Roman citizens during my term as Praetor.

I cannot say THANK YOU enough to my Quaestor and webmaster Titus
Marcius Felix.

As you will see he has done an OUTSTANDING job and in a short period
of time.

Thank you Quaestor Titus Marcius Felix!!!!

I also want to thank the other members of my staff that have helped
me get us to this point and who will play a big role in what I
believe will be a great year for Nova Roma

I cordially invite each and everyone of you to come and take a look
around. Please feel free to give us your constructive criticism and
suggestion on making it better.

Some of the sections of the site are the Home Page: which introduces
you to the site and gives and over view of the "honors, powers, and
obligations of the Praetors of Nova Roma. A historic list of our
predecessors as Praetor, sections on Nova Roman legal terms , Roman
and Nova Roman laws. We have a section on How to File a Petitio
Actionis and a place to review edits and Nova Roma laws.

As this is a work in progress not everything is in place but will be
shortly. We will be adding a link to internet sources on Roman law
and other features as time permits.

We will also be posting articles on Roman and Nova Roman law so if
you have something you would like to submit please send it to
marciusfelix@...

Again I cordially invite each and everyone of you to come and
take a look around the place but ask that you be careful of the
walls as some of the paint by not be yet be dry. : )

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Praetor et Senator
Nova Roma 2759 A.V.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41510 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Re: The Praetorivm Tiberi Galeri Pavlni
IVL SABINVS PRAETORI GALERI PAULINI SPD :

A very nice job of Quaestor Marcius Felix. Congratulations ! And the same for all your staff members. From your message words, it seems you are very happy. You have all the rights for that. The website is well structured and it is able to represent this year praetorium job.

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS
Curule Aedile
Propraetor Dacia


"Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@...> wrote:
Salve Nova Romans

I would like to announce the establishment of the Praetorivm Tiberi
Galeri Pavlni which can be found at http://www.praetortgp.org This
website is intended as a clearing house of information for Nova
Roman citizens during my term as Praetor.

I cannot say THANK YOU enough to my Quaestor and webmaster Titus
Marcius Felix.

As you will see he has done an OUTSTANDING job and in a short period
of time.

Thank you Quaestor Titus Marcius Felix!!!!

I also want to thank the other members of my staff that have helped
me get us to this point and who will play a big role in what I
believe will be a great year for Nova Roma

I cordially invite each and everyone of you to come and take a look
around. Please feel free to give us your constructive criticism and
suggestion on making it better.

Some of the sections of the site are the Home Page: which introduces
you to the site and gives and over view of the "honors, powers, and
obligations of the Praetors of Nova Roma. A historic list of our
predecessors as Praetor, sections on Nova Roman legal terms , Roman
and Nova Roman laws. We have a section on How to File a Petitio
Actionis and a place to review edits and Nova Roma laws.

As this is a work in progress not everything is in place but will be
shortly. We will be adding a link to internet sources on Roman law
and other features as time permits.

We will also be posting articles on Roman and Nova Roman law so if
you have something you would like to submit please send it to
marciusfelix@...

Again I cordially invite each and everyone of you to come and
take a look around the place but ask that you be careful of the
walls as some of the paint by not be yet be dry. : )

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Praetor et Senator
Nova Roma 2759 A.V.C.








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41511 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Results of the CPT
Salvete

Here are the results of the voting in the CPT

Ballots were received from 25 of the 35 tribes, a clear majority.

Plebiscitum Moravium De Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum
passed in 21 tribes (Yes 32 No 5 Abstain 3) and

Plebiscitum Vipsanium De Consecratione
passed in 25 tribes (Yes 38 No 1 Abstain 1)

The above numbers in brackets are the numbers of citizens who voted.

I would like to thank the diribitori and the custores for the work. (I know my Latin is probably wrong, so I wouldn't mind a correction if someone has a minute).

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
Tribunus Plebis



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41512 From: S Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Re: Results of the CPT
Ave G Vipsanius;

Glad to have been of service.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Diribitor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41513 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-26
Subject: Re: The Praetorivm Tiberi Galeri Pavlni
Salve Praetor Tiberi Galeri Pauline,

Congratulations to you, Quaestor Marcius Felix and your staff
members on this site. It not only looks impressive but is pleasing
to the eye.

This site will keep the citizens inrtersted and well informed about
your office and as I have mentioned over the past few years, a
continous education and continual glimpse into offices like yours
will take much of the mistique out of the political offices and
encourage more citizens to get involved or run for elections.

This is a great surprise so thanks!


Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus
<iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:
>
> IVL SABINVS PRAETORI GALERI PAULINI SPD :
>
> A very nice job of Quaestor Marcius Felix. Congratulations ! And
the same for all your staff members. From your message words, it
seems you are very happy. You have all the rights for that. The
website is well structured and it is able to represent this year
praetorium job.
>
> OPTIME VALE,
> IVL SABINVS
> Curule Aedile
> Propraetor Dacia
>
>
> "Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> Salve Nova Romans
>
> I would like to announce the establishment of the Praetorivm
Tiberi
> Galeri Pavlni which can be found at http://www.praetortgp.org
This
> website is intended as a clearing house of information for Nova
> Roman citizens during my term as Praetor.
>
> I cannot say THANK YOU enough to my Quaestor and webmaster Titus
> Marcius Felix.
>
> As you will see he has done an OUTSTANDING job and in a short
period
> of time.
>
> Thank you Quaestor Titus Marcius Felix!!!!
>
> I also want to thank the other members of my staff that have
helped
> me get us to this point and who will play a big role in what I
> believe will be a great year for Nova Roma
>
> I cordially invite each and everyone of you to come and take a
look
> around. Please feel free to give us your constructive criticism
and
> suggestion on making it better.
>
> Some of the sections of the site are the Home Page: which
introduces
> you to the site and gives and over view of the "honors, powers,
and
> obligations of the Praetors of Nova Roma. A historic list of our
> predecessors as Praetor, sections on Nova Roman legal terms ,
Roman
> and Nova Roman laws. We have a section on How to File a Petitio
> Actionis and a place to review edits and Nova Roma laws.
>
> As this is a work in progress not everything is in place but will
be
> shortly. We will be adding a link to internet sources on Roman law
> and other features as time permits.
>
> We will also be posting articles on Roman and Nova Roman law so if
> you have something you would like to submit please send it to
> marciusfelix@y...
>
> Again I cordially invite each and everyone of you to come and
> take a look around the place but ask that you be careful of the
> walls as some of the paint by not be yet be dry. : )
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Praetor et Senator
> Nova Roma 2759 A.V.C.
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41514 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-27
Subject: Re: Results of the CPT
> Salue, G. Vipsani Agrippa, et saluete, omnes!
>
> Salvete
>
> Here are the results of the voting in the CPT
>
> Ballots were received from 25 of the 35 tribes, a clear majority.
>
> Plebiscitum Moravium De Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum
> passed in 21 tribes (Yes 32 No 5 Abstain 3) and
>
> Plebiscitum Vipsanium De Consecratione
> passed in 25 tribes (Yes 38 No 1 Abstain 1)
>
> The above numbers in brackets are the numbers of citizens who voted.
>
>
> ATS: I¹m a bit confused about this‹only 41 citizens voted? Usually they
> just give the number of tribes voting yes, voting no, and abstaining, not the
> number of citizens who voted.
>
> I would like to thank the diribitori and the custores for the work. (I know
> my Latin is probably wrong, so I wouldn't mind a correction if someone has a
> minute).
>
> ATS: Quick lesson: Latin nouns ending in ­or tend to be in the third
> declension, and have a plural in ­es: diribitores, rogatores, etc. The
> feminine of such nouns, however, ends in ­trix in the singular (rogatrix,
> diribitrix), with ­es in the plural again: rogatrices, diribitrices. All are
> what we call agent nouns, that is, they denote someone who performs the
> specific action noted by the basic meaning of the word. Custodes, however,
> is correct; what¹s tricky there is the singular: custos.
>
>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> Tribunus Plebis
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41515 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-27
Subject: Re: The Praetorivm Tiberi Galeri Pavlni
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus wrote:
> I would like to announce the establishment of the Praetorivm Tiberi
> Galeri Pavlni which can be found at http://www.praetortgp.org This
> website is intended as a clearing house of information for Nova
> Roman citizens during my term as Praetor.
> I cannot say THANK YOU enough to my Quaestor and webmaster Titus
> Marcius Felix.

Congratulations, Felix!!!

And may you do in Nova Roma the same great job that you are doing in
Provincia Brasilia!!!

Vale
C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS
======================
PROPRAETOR•PROVINCIAE•BRASILIAE
QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41516 From: Titus Marcius Felix Date: 2006-01-27
Subject: Re: The Praetorivm Tiberi Galeri Pavlni
Salvete Omnes,

Thanks for the gentile words, in special for:

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus;
Titus Iulius Sabinus;
Quintus Suetonius Paulinus;
Caius Arminius Reccanellus.

Valete.

T•MARCIVS•FELIX
------------------------------------------------------
LEGATVS•PROVINCIAE•BRASILIAE
QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE



C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS <c.arminius.reccanellus@...> escreveu: > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus wrote:
> I would like to announce the establishment of the Praetorivm Tiberi
> Galeri Pavlni which can be found at http://www.praetortgp.org This
> website is intended as a clearing house of information for Nova
> Roman citizens during my term as Praetor.
> I cannot say THANK YOU enough to my Quaestor and webmaster Titus
> Marcius Felix.

Congratulations, Felix!!!

And may you do in Nova Roma the same great job that you are doing in
Provincia Brasilia!!!

Vale
C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS
======================
PROPRAETOR•PROVINCIAE•BRASILIAE
QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41517 From: raven_soultamer69 Date: 2006-01-27
Subject: yay!!!!
i'm so happy right now, i recieved my approval for provisional
citizenship. now to read up and refresh my memory on all things roman.
shouldn't be to hard for me i was pretty good at roman history in
school. my family and i are in the process of moving but hopefully
after that i'll be able to chat and post with you folks more often.

blessings to you and yours,
Gaia Acilia Noctua
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41518 From: Cant97 Date: 2006-01-27
Subject: Re: yay!!!!
Welcome from another Gaia! :-)



You'll learn a lot here, and there are specialty groups in which you can
learn Latin, Roman Cooking.all kinds of interesting things. If you need any
help with anything, we have some really wonderful people who will gladly
help you out. This is a wonderful place to be. I'm sure you'll enjoy it
here. Carpe Diem!



Vale,



Gaia Galeria Aquila



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i'm so happy right now, i recieved my approval for provisional
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shouldn't be to hard for me i was pretty good at roman history in
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blessings to you and yours,
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41519 From: marcushoratius Date: 2006-01-28
Subject: Re: Keeping Healthy in Roman Times
Salua sis Lucia Vera

I have a list intended to discuss ancient healing practices
Valetudinis@yahoogroups.com At that list there are some links that
you may find useful. My own interests lie in the Roman use of herbs
and in Roman religious practices related to healing. However some
of the links I have put up are about Roman surgical impliments,
Greek texts on medicine - I don't recall all, and I am always
looking for more. So I would be interested in what you may find,
and the other members of Valetudinis may be able to offer some
assistance to your young Roman.

Vale optime
M Moravius Piscinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lorena T."
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> Salve et Salvete Omnes,
>
> I am looking for books, internet sites, resources regarding
staying healthy in Ancient Rome.
>
> I have a young Roman at home that is researching the subject.
>
> Thank you in advance for any information!
>
>
>
> Lucia Valeria Vera
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41520 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-28
Subject: a.d. V Kal. Feb.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem V Kalendas Februarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"The [Vestal] virgins who serve the goddess were originally four and
were chosen by the kings according to the principles established by
Numa, but afterwards, from the multiplicity of the sacred rites they
perform, their number was increased of six, and has so remained down
to our time. They live in the temple of the goddess, into which none
who wish are hindered from entering in the daytime, whereas it is not
lawful for any man to remain there at night. They were required to
remain undefiled by marriage for the space of thirty years, devoting
themselves to offering sacrifices and performing the other rites
ordained by law. During the first ten years their duty was to learn
their functions, in the second ten to perform them, and during the
remaining ten to teach others. After the expiration of the term of
thirty years nothing hindered those who so desired from marrying, upon
laying aside their fillets and the other insignia of their priesthood.
And some, though very few, have done this; but they came to ends that
were not at all happy or enviable. In consequence, the rest, looking
upon their misfortunes as ominous, remain virgins in the temple of the
goddess till their death, and then once more another is chosen by the
pontiffs to supply the vacancy. Many high honours have been granted
them by the commonwealth, as a result of which they feel no desire
either for marriage or for children; and severe penalties have been
established for their misdeeds. It is the pontiffs who by law both
inquire into and punish these offences; to Vestals who are guilty of
lesser misdemeanours they scourge with rods, but those who have
suffered defilement they deliver up to the most shameful and the most
miserable death. While they are yet alive they are carried upon a
bier with all the formality of a funeral, their friends and relations
attending them with lamentations, and after being brought as far as
the Colline Gate, they are placed in an underground cell prepared
within the walls, clad in their funeral attire; but they are not given
a monument or funeral rites or any other customary solemnities. There
are many indications, it seems, when a priestess is not performing her
holy functions with purity, but the principal one is the extinction of
the fire, which the Romans dread above all misfortunes, looking upon
it, from whatever cause it proceeds, as an omen that portends the
destruction of the city; and they bring fire again into the temple
with many supplicatory rites, concerning which I shall speak on the
proper occasion.

However, it is also well worth relating in what manner the goddess has
manifested herself in favour of those virgins who have been falsely
accused. For these things, however incredible they may be, have been
believed by the Romans and their historians have related much about
them. To be sure, the professors of the atheistic philosophies, — if,
indeed, their theories deserve the name of philosophy, — who ridicule
all the manifestations of the gods which have taken place among either
the Greeks or barbarians, will also laugh these reports to scorn and
attribute them to human imposture, on the ground that none of the gods
concern themselves in anything relating to mankind. Those, however,
who do not absolve the gods from the care of human affairs, but, after
looking deeply into history, hold that they are favourable to the good
and hostile to the wicked, will not regard even these manifestations
as incredible. It is said, then, that once, when the fire had been
extinguished through some negligence on the part of Aemilia, who had
the care of it at the time and had entrusted it to another virgin, one
of those who had been newly chosen and were then learning their
duties, the whole city was in great commotion and an inquiry was made
by the pontiffs whether there might not have been some defilement of
the priestess to account for the extinction of the fire. Thereupon,
they say, Aemilia, who was innocent, but distracted at what had
happened, stretched out her hands toward the altar and in the presence
of the priests and the rest of the virgins cried: 'O Vesta, guardian
of the Romans' city, if, during the space of nearly thirty years, I
have performed the sacred offices to thee in a holy and proper manner,
keeping a pure mind and a chaste body, do thou manifest thyself in my
defence and assist me and do not suffer they priestess to die the most
miserable of all deaths; but if I have been guilty of any impious
deed, let my punishment expiate the guilt of the city.' Having said
this, she tore off the band of the linen garment she had on and threw
it upon the altar, they say, following her prayer; and from the ashes,
which had been long cold and retained no spark, a great flame flared
up through the linen, so that the city no longer required either
expiations or a new fire." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus, "Roman
Antiquities" 2.67-68

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41521 From: centorious Date: 2006-01-28
Subject: Re: yay!!!!
---Salve,Raven,I am also happy for you, at your news.I hope you will
truly enjoy your citizenship ,the Republic and all that is the
greatness that is Rome and the wonderful journey of becoming that you
are now embarked upon.Optimo Vale,Appius Galerius Aurelianus,Legio VI
Ferrata,II Cohort,II Century. In Nova-
Roma@yahoogroups.com, "raven_soultamer69" <ravensoultamer69@a...>
wrote:
>
> i'm so happy right now, i recieved my approval for provisional
> citizenship. now to read up and refresh my memory on all things
roman.
> shouldn't be to hard for me i was pretty good at roman history in
> school. my family and i are in the process of moving but hopefully
> after that i'll be able to chat and post with you folks more often.
>
> blessings to you and yours,
> Gaia Acilia Noctua
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41522 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-28
Subject: Comitia Plebis Tributa Results
Pompeia Minucia Strabo Quiritibus Novae Romae S.P.D.

I wish to congratulate this Comitia's decision on the passing of their
recently adopted plebiscita. It is good to have the Plebian Aediles
and the Tribunes on 'solid ground' so to speak, with no lingering
doubts that they indeed posess the endorsement of the Plebian
Assembly. And, there is now a plan in place by the new Lex Moravia to
address elements of the unfortunate predicament with which the 2759
a.u.c. Plebian magistrates had to contend.

Congratulations, and thanks to all who worked to tally, judge and
record the votes.

Valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41523 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-28
Subject: Re: yay!!!!
A. Apollonius C. Aciliae omnibusque sal.

Congratulations, welcome, and good luck with the test!
I think it's pretty straightforward. And good luck
with your move, too.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41524 From: jorjor1177 Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Path of Glory
Salve All,

My thoughts that i would like to share are on the ideals of glory in
this day and age. Where and how is it attaned?? In the pasts of Rome
and Greece glory was earned through the sword, people like Alexander
and Julius Caeser. I just wish that in the time we live in we could do
similar things. Live the life they could. ha, This is all just wishful
thinking of course, no one today could raise a 40,000 man army and
decide to conquer Kentucky. Who would want to anyway ha! But yes i just
wish that we today could find a path to glory like those that we honor
so much in the past. Maybe this thought will change as i get older for
i am only 18, well who knows. Those are my thoughts.

Sextus Otavius Lepidus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41525 From: marcushoratius Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Salve bene Sexte Lepide

Dulce bellum inexpertis.

Vade in pace Deorum
M Moravius Piscinus


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wrote:
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> Salve All,
>
> My thoughts that i would like to share are on the ideals of glory
in
> this day and age. Where and how is it attaned?? In the pasts of
Rome
> and Greece glory was earned through the sword, people like
Alexander
> and Julius Caeser. I just wish that in the time we live in we
could do
> similar things. Live the life they could. ha, This is all just
wishful
> thinking of course, no one today could raise a 40,000 man army and
> decide to conquer Kentucky. Who would want to anyway ha! But yes i
just
> wish that we today could find a path to glory like those that we
honor
> so much in the past. Maybe this thought will change as i get older
for
> i am only 18, well who knows. Those are my thoughts.
>
> Sextus Otavius Lepidus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41526 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Salve Sexte Lepide,

The problem is that the rules and conduct of war and occupation has
greatly changed over the last two millenia. It is easy enough for
one big power to run over and conquer another territory in a few
weeks. The difficulties comes in holding, governing and maintaining
your presence there. Talk to any soldiers who have lived over the
last 80 years or so from any side of a conflict and they'll tell you
being a foreign occupier is a nasty business. Constant stress, not
knowing who your opponent is who wears no uniform, not feeling safe
in the streets, wondering if the girls you date or sleep with shall
cut your throat while you doze in her arms or lure you out to her
paramilitary buddies like a lamb to the slaughter.

In short,the mentality of the world populi has changed and knowing
they cannot compete against highly trained soldiers or high tech
equipment they rationalize that it is much easier to demoralize the
occupiers by hitting a soldier's family, friends or other's in his
or their homeland for in their minds "state" terrorism is no better
than the terrorism brought to their population by a conquering power.
The only way the occupiers can combat this is to use Heydrich type
reprisal tactics against the terrorists and their loved ones but
then the state becomes no better and loses its credibility. Anyway,
with respect to glory, what worked for Alexander,the Romans and
Victorian adventures does not seem to work today.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus









--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@s...>
wrote:
>
> Salve bene Sexte Lepide
>
> Dulce bellum inexpertis.
>
> Vade in pace Deorum
> M Moravius Piscinus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jorjor1177" <heavyj501@a...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve All,
> >
> > My thoughts that i would like to share are on the ideals of
glory
> in
> > this day and age. Where and how is it attaned?? In the pasts of
> Rome
> > and Greece glory was earned through the sword, people like
> Alexander
> > and Julius Caeser. I just wish that in the time we live in we
> could do
> > similar things. Live the life they could. ha, This is all just
> wishful
> > thinking of course, no one today could raise a 40,000 man army
and
> > decide to conquer Kentucky. Who would want to anyway ha! But yes
i
> just
> > wish that we today could find a path to glory like those that we
> honor
> > so much in the past. Maybe this thought will change as i get
older
> for
> > i am only 18, well who knows. Those are my thoughts.
> >
> > Sextus Otavius Lepidus
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41527 From: centorious Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Citizenship Test!
Salve Censores,I would like to attempt the Citizenship Test.Could you
please help me with this?Vale,Appius Galerious Aurelianus,Legio
VI "Ferrata"II Cohort,II Century,Semper Fidelis.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41528 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Salve Lepidi,

Why not join the military and find out for yourself what your own path to glory is? You'll never know any in any other way. They're still out there and there is a war going on to boot. Or do you just like to muse about it while others do what you just dream about. If you want to go in as a well trained officer try the military academies first - you'll get a lot more respect.

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus
Miles - Legio III Cyrenaica
Praefectus Gladitorium - Sodalitas Militarium Novae Romae
Editor Commentarium - Aquila Novae Romae
Legatus - Regio Maine
Provincia Nova Britannia
Nova Roma
----- Original Message -----
From: jorjor1177
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:08 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Path of Glory


Salve All,

My thoughts that i would like to share are on the ideals of glory in
this day and age. Where and how is it attaned?? In the pasts of Rome
and Greece glory was earned through the sword, people like Alexander
and Julius Caeser. I just wish that in the time we live in we could do
similar things. Live the life they could. ha, This is all just wishful
thinking of course, no one today could raise a 40,000 man army and
decide to conquer Kentucky. Who would want to anyway ha! But yes i just
wish that we today could find a path to glory like those that we honor
so much in the past. Maybe this thought will change as i get older for
i am only 18, well who knows. Those are my thoughts.

Sextus Otavius Lepidus








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41529 From: Peter Bird Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Ah, Sexte, Octavi Lepide: glory in the eyes of whom? Yes, you can achieve
glory today: these days it's known as "celebrity". But what is it worth,
except in monetary terms? And what have people done to achieve it? Am I a
cynic?

Vale bene!

Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus



_____

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jorjor1177
Sent: 29 January 2006 08:09
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Path of Glory



Salve All,

My thoughts that i would like to share are on the ideals of glory in
this day and age. Where and how is it attaned?? In the pasts of Rome
and Greece glory was earned through the sword, people like Alexander
and Julius Caeser. I just wish that in the time we live in we could do
similar things. Live the life they could. ha, This is all just wishful
thinking of course, no one today could raise a 40,000 man army and
decide to conquer Kentucky. Who would want to anyway ha! But yes i just
wish that we today could find a path to glory like those that we honor
so much in the past. Maybe this thought will change as i get older for
i am only 18, well who knows. Those are my thoughts.

Sextus Otavius Lepidus









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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41530 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Salve Pauline,

What makes you think that things are any different today than in the past centuries? I suggest you read the memoirs of occupying soldiers of other periods, nothing has changed! Occupying soldiers have always had their throats cut while whoring in occupied regions. Occupying soldiers have never been liked by the occupied civilizations PERIOD!!!. But occupations have always been very necessary in order to establish peace and order after an unavoidable conflict (or any conflict) for the benefit of all concerned (except those deposed from power and their toadies).

The occupiers are never liked: This was true of the Union forces after the American Civil War right through Grant's presidential administration and beyond, the Allied forces in Germany after WWII, the UN forces after the Korean War, the US forces during the Vietnam War, the British before and during the American Revolutionary War, etc.

I'm sure it was also a fact during the Crusades, the Roman wars of conquest and Alexander's as well. It's just harder to find these memoirs since most of the occupiers were probably illiterate or their writings and/or stories have disappeared into the mists of time. Generally it takes a generation to go by before things calm down and the conquered or occupied populations see that they are better off in those cases where they indeed are better off as in Pax Romana provinces and the post WWII occupied countries (the ones that Stalin took over were not, and we know what started occurring there in a little over a generation's time). Yet, some, like the Hebrews of Roman Palestine never did!

Good topic of conversation!

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:50 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Path of Glory


Salve Sexte Lepide,

The problem is that the rules and conduct of war and occupation has
greatly changed over the last two millenia. It is easy enough for
one big power to run over and conquer another territory in a few
weeks. The difficulties comes in holding, governing and maintaining
your presence there. Talk to any soldiers who have lived over the
last 80 years or so from any side of a conflict and they'll tell you
being a foreign occupier is a nasty business. Constant stress, not
knowing who your opponent is who wears no uniform, not feeling safe
in the streets, wondering if the girls you date or sleep with shall
cut your throat while you doze in her arms or lure you out to her
paramilitary buddies like a lamb to the slaughter.

In short,the mentality of the world populi has changed and knowing
they cannot compete against highly trained soldiers or high tech
equipment they rationalize that it is much easier to demoralize the
occupiers by hitting a soldier's family, friends or other's in his
or their homeland for in their minds "state" terrorism is no better
than the terrorism brought to their population by a conquering power.
The only way the occupiers can combat this is to use Heydrich type
reprisal tactics against the terrorists and their loved ones but
then the state becomes no better and loses its credibility. Anyway,
with respect to glory, what worked for Alexander,the Romans and
Victorian adventures does not seem to work today.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41531 From: centorious Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Path to Glory!
Salve,Sextus Octavius Lepidus,Since others have made comments
onvyour "Path to Glory".I will add my 2denari for whatever it is
worth.It is true as a dual Citizen of Nova Roma, ET USA.You may wish
the American military experience in one of their imperialistic
pursuits.Not that I am against Imperialism.If not, and I will add that
military service in Nova Roma is not required.You may want to
investigate the possibility in seving in one of the many Legio
attached to Nova Roma.Many citizens find this path quite
rewarding.Take for example the one in which I serve.The Legio
VI "Ferrata"II Cohort,II Century,it is a chance to learn and
experiance the many aspects of the Roman Military.Who knows perhaps
you may consider this as a Glorious Warriors Path, if even rich in a
plethora of ways.Vale,Appius Galerius Aurilianus,Legio VI'Ferrata"II
Cohort,II Century,Semper Fidelis.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41532 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: a.d. IV Kal. Feb.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem IV Kalendas Februarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"The sixth division of his religious institutions was devoted to those
the Romans call Salii, whom Numa himself appointed out of the
patricians, choosing twelve young men of the most graceful appearance.
These are the Salii whose holy things are deposited on the Palatine
hill and who are themselves called the Salii Palatini; for the Salii
Agonales, by some called the Salii Collini, the repository of whose
holy things is on the Quirinal hill, were appointed after Numa's time
by King Hostilius, in pursuance of a vow he had made in the war
against the Sabines. All these Salii are a kind of dancers and singers
of hymns in praise of the gods of war. Their festival falls about the
time of the Panathenaea, in the month which they call March, and is
celebrated at the public expense for many days, during which they
proceed through the city with their dances to the Forum and to the
Capitol and to many other places both private and public. They wear
embroidered tunics girt about with wide girdles of bronze, and over
these are fastened, with brooches, robes striped with scarlet and
bordered with purple, which they call trabeae; this garment is
peculiar to the Romans and a mark of the greatest honour. On their
heads they wear apices, as they are called, that is, high caps
contracted into the shape of a cone, which the Greeks call kyrbasiai.
They have each of them a sword hanging at their girdle and in their
right hand they hold a spear or a staff or something else of the sort,
and on their left arm a Thracian buckler,which resembles a
lozenge-shaped shield with its sides drawn in, such as those are said
to carry who among the Greeks perform the sacred rites of the Curetes.
And, in my opinion at least, the Salii, if the word be translated
into Greek, are Curetes, whom, because they are kouroi or "young men,"
we call by that name from their age, whereas the Romans call them
Salii from their lively motions. For to leap and skip is by them
called salire; and for the same reason they call all other dancers
saltatores, deriving their name from the Salii, because their dancing
also is attended by much leaping and capering. Whether I have been
well advised or not in giving them this appellation, anyone who
pleases may gather from their actions. For they execute their
movements in arms, keeping time to a flute, sometimes all together,
sometimes by turns, and while dancing sing certain traditional hymns.
But this dance and exercise performed by armed men and the noise they
make by striking their bucklers with their daggers, if we may base any
conjectures on the ancient accounts, was originated by the Curetes. I
need not mention the legend which is related concerning them, since
almost everybody is acquainted with it. [I hate it when he does that!
- Cato]

Among the vast number of bucklers which both the Salii themselves bear
and some of their servants carry suspended from rods, they say there
is one that fell from heaven and was found in the palace of Numa,
though no one had brought it thither and no buckle road that shape had
ever before been known among the Italians; and that for both these
reasons the Romans concluded that this buckler had been sent by the
gods. They add that Numa, desiring that it should be honoured by
being carried through the city on holy days by the most distinguished
young men and that annual sacrifices should be offered to it, but at
the same time being fearful both of the plot of his enemies and of its
disappearance by theft, caused many other bucklers to be made
resembling the one which fell from heaven, Mamurius, an artificer,
having undertaken the work; so that, as a result of the perfect
resemblance of the man-made imitations, the shape of the buckler sent
by the gods was rendered inconspicuous and difficult to be
distinguished by those who might plot to possess themselves of it.
This dancing after the manner of the Curetes was a native institution
among the Romans and was held in great honour by them, as I gather
from many other indications and especially from what takes place in
their processions both in the Circus and in the theatres. For in all
of them young men clad in handsome tunics, with helmets, swords and
bucklers, march in file. These are the leaders of the procession and
are called by the Romans, from a game of which the Lydians seem to
have been the inventors, ludiones; they show merely a certain
resemblance, in my opinion, to the Salii, since they do not, like the
Salii, do any of the things characteristic of the Curetes, either in
their hymns or dancing. And it was necessary that the Salii should be
free men and native Romans and that both their fathers and mothers
should be living; whereas the others are of any condition whatsoever.
But why should I say more about them?" - Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquities" 2.69-70


"His second wife was radiant Themis; she bore the Seasons,
Lawfulness and Justice and blooming Peace, who watch over the works of
mortal men..." - Hesiod, Theogony, 901-903

Today is the Concordia, held in honor of the goddess Pax. On the
Campus Martius (Field of Mars, God of War), she had a minor sanctuary
called the Ara Pacis, dedicated to her on January 30, 9 B.C. Her
temple was on the Forum Pacis (Templum Placis) built on the site of a
meat market by Vespasian, which was dedicated in 75. She was depicted
in art with olive branches, a cornucopia and a sceptre. Pax became
celebrated (in both senses of the word) as Pax Romana and Pax Augusta
from the 2nd Century B.C.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Pax
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_(mythology))
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41533 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Perez" <senseiphil@n...> wrote:
>
> Salve Pauline,
>
> What makes you think that things are any different today than in the
past centuries?

Salve Marce,

Things have changed:

"Compared to earlier periods, when protracted rural insurgency was
difficult to contain but urban insurgency was generally easily
contained, the sheer growth of population has diminished the former
advantages of urban security forces. Without the monopoly of firepower
they once enjoyed, the security forces of developing states have
become increasingly vulnerable to a combination of rural and urban
action."

Prof. Ian Beckett - Modern History - University Of Lunden, UK.

Also civilians and non-combatants happen to be picked on more and
suffer atrocities from the resistant groups when their cooperation is
not forth coming. Targets of insurgents were more uniformed people or
foreign governors and officials but now everyone is free game.

I do not think that the resistance against the Romans, British, French
empires etc. was that great or fast in coming compare to today;
afterall Rome's empire lasted 500, Britain's 300, France's 200 etc.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41534 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path to Glory!
Salve Auriliane,

WHAT !!!

You can't be serious. This is a joke, right? I guess the most glorious people in the world are those who possess Oscars according to your definition of glory. How can you confuse re-enacting with putting your life on the line for something bigger than yourself - your country! I don't care which country YOUR country. Nova Roma doesn't have a military because it does not have any real estate to protect, no hearths and homes and families to protect from the harm of invasion, destruction or devastation. How can you state these things, haven't you ever driven by any military commentary? - Those are the men (& women) who truly possess glory! Nova Roman legions don't fight, they display and parade - I know I'm in one. Don't ever confuse that with the men of Rome who left home and hearth to protect their homes, families and way of life...as all soldiers have since the beginning of civilization.

Imperialism ... where? How many Iraqis do you know? How many Afghanistanis do you know? How many Vietnamese do you know? Let me guess - none. But you can spout nonsense all day long about Imperialism.

This is really not really healthy speech here. If this keeps up I will have to leave this conversation for it cannot be very fruitful for anyone to get into a macro-national flame war yet again.

Don't confuse reality with play-acting unless you want to spend time under heavy medication and sedation. You are either extremely confused or a fool. If you are confused, I hope you make your way back to reality soon. If a fool, I certainly don't want to waste any more precious time on you. I won't even touch on your lack of understanding about the world around you, you are obviously blinded by your political ideology. Again I won't touch it since we are straying from Rome and the historical direction that this vein of conversation has merit in taking.

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus
Miles - Legio III Cyrenaica
Praefectus Gladitorium - Sodalitas Militarium Novae Romae
Editor Commentarium - Aquila Novae Romae
Legatus - Regio Maine / Provincia Nova Britannia / Nova Roma
----- Original Message -----
From: centorious
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Path to Glory!


Salve,Sextus Octavius Lepidus,Since others have made comments
onvyour "Path to Glory".I will add my 2denari for whatever it is
worth.It is true as a dual Citizen of Nova Roma, ET USA.You may wish
the American military experience in one of their imperialistic
pursuits.Not that I am against Imperialism.If not, and I will add that
military service in Nova Roma is not required.You may want to
investigate the possibility in seving in one of the many Legio
attached to Nova Roma.Many citizens find this path quite
rewarding.Take for example the one in which I serve.The Legio
VI "Ferrata"II Cohort,II Century,it is a chance to learn and
experiance the many aspects of the Roman Military.Who knows perhaps
you may consider this as a Glorious Warriors Path, if even rich in a
plethora of ways.Vale,Appius Galerius Aurilianus,Legio VI'Ferrata"II
Cohort,II Century,Semper Fidelis.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41535 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Salve Pauline,

I suggest you re-read Caesar's Gallic Wars if you think the civilian populations were not targeted during Rome's wars of conquest. Rubbish!!! Those Celts who were not burned, stabbed or starved were sold as slaves - in the millions - all noncombatants - women and children, the old didn't fare as well, they were allowed to starve. You don't want to know what happened to the combatants, do you? The thousands who had their hands cut off?

The Legions were furthermore free to pillage and rape at will after the completion after a successful siege. After the siege at Avaricum Caesar had it burned it down with ALL inhabitants in it except 800 who miraculously escaped as a lesson to the Celts to stop in their resistance. Why do you think the Jews of Masada all committed suicide. Don't believe everything you read in history books, especially those written by contemporary historians. They are as susceptible to political ideology as the rest of society. I have proven several to be totally incorrect in certain even if minor yet crucial "facts". If you don't believe me I can put you in contact with their "ex"-publishers in the UK.

I continually scour my area for history books written before the beginning of the 20th Century. Especially when it comes to American History since I live in New England and there are plenty of these around. It is astounding just how different a tale is told in these compared to what our children and college students are being taught and forced to read and digest today for their education - It is actually criminal, these contemporary authors are responsible in part for the reason some speak of Imperialism now. Our young people don't know, how could they? They have been taught that up is down and down is up and how else can they see things if that's all they know.

Things do move much quicker today than in the past, this I do not dispute, but it is all relative my friend. It used to take months if not years to successfully siege a citadel. Now it can be reduced to rubble in minutes. It used to take months to cross a continent, it takes hours now. However, the cities of the ancient world were much bigger than you think. Granted, they were much diminished in Europe after the fall of Rome. London didn't pass the 1 million mark until well into the industrial revolution. Rome had that many during the reign of Augustus and Alexandria was reputed to be even bigger in population. Yet the Romans held it peacefully...after...again at least one generation of action from Legio III Cyreanaica/Augusta (the Legio I re-enact with has all the history on this since it is...Legio III Cyrenaica :-). Things were not exactly calm there from the time of Pompeii's beheading. After the defeat of Antony, a huge garrison of Legio III and other Legions had to be placed there until conditions became more stable - over 10 years! At first, the casualties were staggering. Much worse than in Iraq or even Vietnam. But Rome was not known for backing down when prize was great - the breadbasket of the empire was there.


During the middle ages only the nobility's civilians were treated with respect. The peasants were always treated worse than dogs. They were raped and robbed by soldiers even in times of peace in their own countries. Remember Cesare Borgia's forces? They were a bunch of Boy Scouts in Italy, right?
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Path of Glory


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Perez" <senseiphil@n...> wrote:
>
> Salve Pauline,
>
> What makes you think that things are any different today than in the
past centuries?

Salve Marce,

Things have changed:

"Compared to earlier periods, when protracted rural insurgency was
difficult to contain but urban insurgency was generally easily
contained, the sheer growth of population has diminished the former
advantages of urban security forces. Without the monopoly of firepower
they once enjoyed, the security forces of developing states have
become increasingly vulnerable to a combination of rural and urban
action."

Prof. Ian Beckett - Modern History - University Of Lunden, UK.

Also civilians and non-combatants happen to be picked on more and
suffer atrocities from the resistant groups when their cooperation is
not forth coming. Targets of insurgents were more uniformed people or
foreign governors and officials but now everyone is free game.

I do not think that the resistance against the Romans, British, French
empires etc. was that great or fast in coming compare to today;
afterall Rome's empire lasted 500, Britain's 300, France's 200 etc.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41536 From: Tim Gallagher Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: "Path to glory"
Salve Amice


The "Path to glory" comes in all sizes and shapes and is not limited to
military feats of valor but does of course include them.

A quick look at the definition of glory leads us to realize just how many paths there are to it.

A Scientist leading the way for a cure to some deadly disease. ( Jonas Salk )

A theologian or religious figure, while living an ethic life leads a ( John Paul the Great)
life long conversation with people of different faiths in an effort
to reach understanding if not enlightenment.


Leaders who despite the odds work to lead their nations from ( Lech Walesa, Margaret Thatcher )
despair and doubt to freedom and liberty.

Leaders who use power for the good of mankind and not their ( Ronald Reagan)
own self aggrandizement

Teaches who look every day into a child's face and sees the hope
of humanity and works to bring out the best in each individual they teach
because they know they are looking into the future

Ordinary people who do extraordinary things when the times call for it

doctors, nurses, fireman, police, military etc during and after natural or man made disasters.

You get the point.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41537 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Citizenship Test!
> Salue, A. Galeri Aureliane, et saluete, omnes.
>
> You may contact the censores directly by their e-mail on the mail website.
> Generally, we discourage posts to this list, or any other mailing list, which
> are intended for only one or two people. Those should be handled privately,
> as those who have read the moderation edict for this list should be aware.
> For future reference, please snip posts, please write the words off-topic in
> the subject line for matters not directly concerning ancient Rome or Nova
> Roma, please refrain from any form of abuse, and please confine private
> correspondence to that; if your message is intended for one or two or a
> handful of people, please write privately.
>
>
>
> Salve Censores,I would like to attempt the Citizenship Test.Could you
> please help me with this?Vale,Appius Galerious Aurelianus,Legio
> VI "Ferrata"II Cohort,II Century,Semper Fidelis.
>
>
> You may not be aware that your probationary period will last 90 days
> whether or not you pass the test in advance...and some do fail it.
>

Vale, et ualete,

A. Tullia Scholastica
Rogatrix
Scriba praetorum


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41538 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
On 1/29/06, Tim Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Amice
>
> Leaders who despite the odds work to lead their nations from ( Lech
> Walesa, Margaret Thatcher )
> despair and doubt to freedom and liberty.


Actually you've got that one the wrong way round :-) Under Thatcher we went
from freedom and liberty to despair and doubt.

Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41539 From: flavius leviticus Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Salve Sextus Octavius Lepidus,Thank you for sharing your thoughts in"Path to Glory".
I share these thoughts and found the best way to come close to this feeling is to get involved with the many Legios Associated with Nova Roma.Military service is not required but could had a whole new perspective to your experience here.Take for example The Legio VI
'Ferrata"II Cohort, II Century ,in which I serve.Tis a thing to consider.Vale et Semper Fidelis,Appius Galerius Aurelianus,Legio VI "Ferrata",II Cohort. II Century.
jorjor1177 <heavyj501@...> wrote:
Salve All,

My thoughts that i would like to share are on the ideals of glory in
this day and age. Where and how is it attaned?? In the pasts of Rome
and Greece glory was earned through the sword, people like Alexander
and Julius Caeser. I just wish that in the time we live in we could do
similar things. Live the life they could. ha, This is all just wishful
thinking of course, no one today could raise a 40,000 man army and
decide to conquer Kentucky. Who would want to anyway ha! But yes i just
wish that we today could find a path to glory like those that we honor
so much in the past. Maybe this thought will change as i get older for
i am only 18, well who knows. Those are my thoughts.

Sextus Otavius Lepidus








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41540 From: Tim Gallagher Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
Salve Flavia Lucilla Merula


Just goes to show that people are never valued in their own times
or even by their own people. Seems to me you are the same people
who kicked Winston Churchill out of #10 Downing Street as soon
as the war was won.

History will however validate of my statement about Lady Thatcher.
If we only had an American version of her. : )

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] "Path to glory"


On 1/29/06, Tim Gallagher <spqr753@...<mailto:spqr753@...>> wrote:
>
> Salve Amice
>
> Leaders who despite the odds work to lead their nations from ( Lech
> Walesa, Margaret Thatcher )
> despair and doubt to freedom and liberty.


Actually you've got that one the wrong way round :-) Under Thatcher we went
from freedom and liberty to despair and doubt.

Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41541 From: flavius leviticus Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path to Glory!
Salve Marcus,Yes Citizen we may be steering awy a little from reality here .Who does that hurt,you.As far as knowing any of these nationalities that you speak of I know the Vietnamese very well as I spent thirteen months in country in fighting them.In the trang with the US MARINE CORPS.WHAT KNOWLEDGE OF A FIRST HAND NATURE DO YOU POSSES AND WHAT IS YOUR BATTLE RECORD.Drugs yes I take a few as I now have PTSD.I now reside in the Georgia War Veterans Home in Milledge Ga.Vale.Appius Galerius Aurelianus,Semper Fidelis.

Phil Perez <senseiphil@...> wrote: Salve Auriliane,

WHAT !!!

You can't be serious. This is a joke, right? I guess the most glorious people in the world are those who possess Oscars according to your definition of glory. How can you confuse re-enacting with putting your life on the line for something bigger than yourself - your country! I don't care which country YOUR country. Nova Roma doesn't have a military because it does not have any real estate to protect, no hearths and homes and families to protect from the harm of invasion, destruction or devastation. How can you state these things, haven't you ever driven by any military commentary? - Those are the men (& women) who truly possess glory! Nova Roman legions don't fight, they display and parade - I know I'm in one. Don't ever confuse that with the men of Rome who left home and hearth to protect their homes, families and way of life...as all soldiers have since the beginning of civilization.

Imperialism ... where? How many Iraqis do you know? How many Afghanistanis do you know? How many Vietnamese do you know? Let me guess - none. But you can spout nonsense all day long about Imperialism.

This is really not really healthy speech here. If this keeps up I will have to leave this conversation for it cannot be very fruitful for anyone to get into a macro-national flame war yet again.

Don't confuse reality with play-acting unless you want to spend time under heavy medication and sedation. You are either extremely confused or a fool. If you are confused, I hope you make your way back to reality soon. If a fool, I certainly don't want to waste any more precious time on you. I won't even touch on your lack of understanding about the world around you, you are obviously blinded by your political ideology. Again I won't touch it since we are straying from Rome and the historical direction that this vein of conversation has merit in taking.

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus
Miles - Legio III Cyrenaica
Praefectus Gladitorium - Sodalitas Militarium Novae Romae
Editor Commentarium - Aquila Novae Romae
Legatus - Regio Maine / Provincia Nova Britannia / Nova Roma
----- Original Message -----
From: centorious
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Path to Glory!


Salve,Sextus Octavius Lepidus,Since others have made comments
onvyour "Path to Glory".I will add my 2denari for whatever it is
worth.It is true as a dual Citizen of Nova Roma, ET USA.You may wish
the American military experience in one of their imperialistic
pursuits.Not that I am against Imperialism.If not, and I will add that
military service in Nova Roma is not required.You may want to
investigate the possibility in seving in one of the many Legio
attached to Nova Roma.Many citizens find this path quite
rewarding.Take for example the one in which I serve.The Legio
VI "Ferrata"II Cohort,II Century,it is a chance to learn and
experiance the many aspects of the Roman Military.Who knows perhaps
you may consider this as a Glorious Warriors Path, if even rich in a
plethora of ways.Vale,Appius Galerius Aurilianus,Legio VI'Ferrata"II
Cohort,II Century,Semper Fidelis.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41542 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
Salve T. B. Pauline,

You are correct. I stand corrected. Mea culpa!!! There are indeed many paths to glory. However, none are easy, all are laden with risk of one kind or another. All of them do place a person's life, livelihood, reputations, etc. on the line. However, the worst fear a re-enactor may have is getting nicked by his pugio or gladius. It is clearly not in the realm of a "Path to Glory".

Also..teaching...by itself isn't a path to glory, especially since teachers are typically very well compensated for a very mediocre job - at least around here, but teaching the "truth" even though the teacher may lose his or her career over it is! You get my point, I hope. A teacher in this country (USA) who is not teaching the PC prescribed agenda and history is indeed looking for a quick end to their career. These teachers are indeed puttting their livelyhoods on the line for the "truth" and are on the path to glory.

Again this subject borders on flame wars due to ideologies brought about by teachers of falsefied history because ...of the same erroneous ideologies. We cannot convince anyone of our viewpoints and they cannot convince us to change ours. So why try? Let time either open their eyes to the truth or let time place them in the "trash bins of History". To quote another who you have already mentioned as having traveled down this path of glory. He did serve in the military however, the Army just chose to use him to make instructional movies instead of fighting :-)

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus
Miles - Legio III Cyrenaica
Praefectus Gladitorium - Sodalitas Militarium Novae Romae
Editor Commentarium - Aquila Novae Romae
Legatus - Regio Maine / Provincia Nova Britannia / Nova Roma

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41543 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
On 1/29/06, Tim Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Flavia Lucilla Merula
>
>
> Just goes to show that people are never valued in their own times
> or even by their own people. Seems to me you are the same people
> who kicked Winston Churchill out of #10 Downing Street as soon
> as the war was won.


Yes - it's called democracy. That was, after all, the same Winston
churchill who sent the troops in to the Welsh Valleys against the miners
because they had the temerity to strike for a living wage.

Fortunately we also managed to get rid of Thatcher before she totally
destroyed the country. What other countries think of her is, I'm glad to
say, not our problem

Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41544 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
Salvete omnes,

My parents were living in England at that time when Churchill was
put out of office. I remember them mentioning that the general
concensus was that a great leader for times of war wasn't
necessarily the best type of leader for peace times. Being from the
aristocracy or upper elite, his attitudes and actions didn't endear
him to the working people as noted by Flavia.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright
<kirsteen.falconsfan@g...> wrote:
>
> On 1/29/06, Tim Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Flavia Lucilla Merula
> >
> >
> > Just goes to show that people are never valued in their own times
> > or even by their own people. Seems to me you are the same people
> > who kicked Winston Churchill out of #10 Downing Street as soon
> > as the war was won.
>
>
> Yes - it's called democracy. That was, after all, the same Winston
> churchill who sent the troops in to the Welsh Valleys against the
miners
> because they had the temerity to strike for a living wage.
>
> Fortunately we also managed to get rid of Thatcher before she
totally
> destroyed the country. What other countries think of her is, I'm
glad to
> say, not our problem
>
> Flavia Lucilla Merula
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41545 From: flavius leviticus Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Citizenship Test!
Save Amichi,CencoresPlease forgive my indiscretions.Thank you for your kind advice.May the Gods protect you.Vale,Appius Galerius Aurelianus,Semper Fidelis.

centorious <centorious@...> wrote: Salve Censores,I would like to attempt the Citizenship Test.Could you
please help me with this?Vale,Appius Galerious Aurelianus,Legio
VI "Ferrata"II Cohort,II Century,Semper Fidelis.








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41546 From: flavius leviticus Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: "Path to glory"
Salve,Honorable Legionaire,Your words carry the fiery brand of truth.I lower my sword.Vale Opime,Appius Galerius Aurelianus,Miles,Legio VI "Ferrata"II Cohort,II Century,Nova Roma,Semper Fidelis.

Phil Perez <senseiphil@...> wrote: Salve T. B. Pauline,

You are correct. I stand corrected. Mea culpa!!! There are indeed many paths to glory. However, none are easy, all are laden with risk of one kind or another. All of them do place a person's life, livelihood, reputations, etc. on the line. However, the worst fear a re-enactor may have is getting nicked by his pugio or gladius. It is clearly not in the realm of a "Path to Glory".

Also..teaching...by itself isn't a path to glory, especially since teachers are typically very well compensated for a very mediocre job - at least around here, but teaching the "truth" even though the teacher may lose his or her career over it is! You get my point, I hope. A teacher in this country (USA) who is not teaching the PC prescribed agenda and history is indeed looking for a quick end to their career. These teachers are indeed puttting their livelyhoods on the line for the "truth" and are on the path to glory.

Again this subject borders on flame wars due to ideologies brought about by teachers of falsefied history because ...of the same erroneous ideologies. We cannot convince anyone of our viewpoints and they cannot convince us to change ours. So why try? Let time either open their eyes to the truth or let time place them in the "trash bins of History". To quote another who you have already mentioned as having traveled down this path of glory. He did serve in the military however, the Army just chose to use him to make instructional movies instead of fighting :-)

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus
Miles - Legio III Cyrenaica
Praefectus Gladitorium - Sodalitas Militarium Novae Romae
Editor Commentarium - Aquila Novae Romae
Legatus - Regio Maine / Provincia Nova Britannia / Nova Roma

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41547 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Re: Path to Glory! (NOW OFF TOPIC!!!)
Salve Auriliane,

I spent 365 days in-country with the 101st. I am not a fan of the military either but I have educated myself over the years as to why things happened the way they did. All countries make mistakes. The mistakes made in Vietnam are too numerous to recount here but trying to help people become free is never one of them my friend. You and I did not waste our time or put our lives at risk there. History will eventually show that. I grew up under Castro, I know what it's like to be in a dictatorship. Anytime a dictatorship is done in, the world is the better for it. We were defeated from within in Vietnam, not by the enemy there. The memoirs of a North Vietnamese Army General has actually stated it in his memoirs which he wrote in Paris - he left Vietnam after it became apparent to him that he had aided in creating a dictatorship instead of establishing a socialist nirvana. The turning point of the war - according to him - was the appearance of Jane Fonda in North Vietnam for a visit and later the appearances of a certain John Kerry in front of a Senate subcommittee meeting:

"Visits to Hanoi by Jane Fonda and Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and would struggle along with us. . . . Those people represented the conscience of America - part of its war-making capability - and we turned that power in our favor."
--Bui Tin, member of the General Staff of the North Vietnamese Army

Please do not give in to the lies that have been told about us and that worthy enterprise. It has taken me years to overcome them myself. I was wounded too but not anywhere as badly as you. Your worst wound was not inflicted physically to your body my brother, it is your soul that was wounded worst of all, and not by the enemy we faced there but by those we were there representing. That is the wound you must overcome, it is the wound that is hardest to heal. If for no better reason than not to inflict that same wound on our younger brothers in harms way today - you must heal for their sake. They need to know that they are doing the right thing over there. It is to you they will listen most of all, our wounded veteran heroes. What you have to say is important to them. They are on this list!!! Dictators and terrorists are on the run for the first time in many years because of their efforts.

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus
----- Original Message -----
From: flavius leviticus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Path to Glory!


Salve Marcus,Yes Citizen we may be steering awy a little from reality here .Who does that hurt,you.As far as knowing any of these nationalities that you speak of I know the Vietnamese very well as I spent thirteen months in country in fighting them.In the trang with the US MARINE CORPS.WHAT KNOWLEDGE OF A FIRST HAND NATURE DO YOU POSSES AND WHAT IS YOUR BATTLE RECORD.Drugs yes I take a few as I now have PTSD.I now reside in the Georgia War Veterans Home in Milledge Ga.Vale.Appius Galerius Aurelianus,Semper Fidelis.

Phil Perez <senseiphil@...> wrote: Salve Auriliane,

WHAT !!!

You can't be serious. This is a joke, right? I guess the most glorious people in the world are those who possess Oscars according to your definition of glory. How can you confuse re-enacting with putting your life on the line for something bigger than yourself - your country! I don't care which country YOUR country. Nova Roma doesn't have a military because it does not have any real estate to protect, no hearths and homes and families to protect from the harm of invasion, destruction or devastation. How can you state these things, haven't you ever driven by any military commentary? - Those are the men (& women) who truly possess glory! Nova Roman legions don't fight, they display and parade - I know I'm in one. Don't ever confuse that with the men of Rome who left home and hearth to protect their homes, families and way of life...as all soldiers have since the beginning of civilization.

Imperialism ... where? How many Iraqis do you know? How many Afghanistanis do you know? How many Vietnamese do you know? Let me guess - none. But you can spout nonsense all day long about Imperialism.

This is really not really healthy speech here. If this keeps up I will have to leave this conversation for it cannot be very fruitful for anyone to get into a macro-national flame war yet again.

Don't confuse reality with play-acting unless you want to spend time under heavy medication and sedation. You are either extremely confused or a fool. If you are confused, I hope you make your way back to reality soon. If a fool, I certainly don't want to waste any more precious time on you. I won't even touch on your lack of understanding about the world around you, you are obviously blinded by your political ideology. Again I won't touch it since we are straying from Rome and the historical direction that this vein of conversation has merit in taking.

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus
Miles - Legio III Cyrenaica
Praefectus Gladitorium - Sodalitas Militarium Novae Romae
Editor Commentarium - Aquila Novae Romae
Legatus - Regio Maine / Provincia Nova Britannia / Nova Roma
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From: centorious
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Path to Glory!


Salve,Sextus Octavius Lepidus,Since others have made comments
onvyour "Path to Glory".I will add my 2denari for whatever it is
worth.It is true as a dual Citizen of Nova Roma, ET USA.You may wish
the American military experience in one of their imperialistic
pursuits.Not that I am against Imperialism.If not, and I will add that
military service in Nova Roma is not required.You may want to
investigate the possibility in seving in one of the many Legio
attached to Nova Roma.Many citizens find this path quite
rewarding.Take for example the one in which I serve.The Legio
VI "Ferrata"II Cohort,II Century,it is a chance to learn and
experiance the many aspects of the Roman Military.Who knows perhaps
you may consider this as a Glorious Warriors Path, if even rich in a
plethora of ways.Vale,Appius Galerius Aurilianus,Legio VI'Ferrata"II
Cohort,II Century,Semper Fidelis.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41548 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-29
Subject: Year of The Dog
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

And gung hai fat choi! Happy New Year, the year 4704. It is the Year
of the Dog, and therefore a Yang, or positive year. "Dog" people are
are unselfish, reliable, caring, and good listeners. They are often
worriers.

Chinese New Year starts with the New Moon on the first day of the new
year and ends on the full moon 15 days later. The 15th day of the new
year is called the Lantern Festival, which is celebrated at night with
lantern displays and children carrying lanterns in a parade.

The Chinese calendar is based on a combination of lunar and solar
movements. The lunar cycle is about 29.5 days. In order to "catch up"
with the solar calendar the Chinese insert an extra month once every
few years (seven years out of a 19-yearcycle). This is the same as
adding an extra day on leap year. This is why, according to the solar
calendar, the Chinese New Year falls on a different date each year.

New Year's Eve and New Year's Day are celebrated as a family affair, a
time of reunion and thanksgiving. The celebration was traditionally
highlighted with a religious ceremony given in honor of Heaven and
Earth, the gods of the household and the family ancestors.

The sacrifice to the ancestors, the most vital of all the rituals,
united the living members with those who had passed away. Departed
relatives are remembered with great respect because they were
responsible for laying the foundations for the fortune and glory of
the family.

The presence of the ancestors is acknowledged on New Year's Eve with a
dinner arranged for them at the family banquet table. The spirits of
the ancestors, together with the living, celebrate the onset of the
New Year as one great community. The communal feast called
"surrounding the stove" or weilu. It symbolizes family unity and
honors the past and present generations.

Legend has it that in ancient China, Nian ("Nyan") was a man-devouring
predator beast that could infiltrate houses silently. The Chinese soon
learned that Nian was sensitive to loud noises and the color red, and
they scared it away with explosions, fireworks and the liberal use of
color red domestically. These customs led to the first New Year
celebrations.

Happy Year of the Dog!

Cato


SOURCES

http://www.educ.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/438/CHINA/chinese_new_year.html
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_New_Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41549 From: robertpartlow Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Peace and cooperative respect are always the issue.
Appius Claudius Scipio

Salvete,

The root of all conflict is fear of not having control. Those who
subconsiously know that their aquisitions have interfered with the
descent-existence of others are more apt to be fearful for loss of
control. That is why they are willing to use violence and/or court
violent techniques for controling their place in existence. The only
way for this CASCADE of thought and behavior to stop is to, in essence,
stop the thought process. Some use meditation (as is taught in MARTIAL
ARTS) others pray. In ancient Roman culture, they would either go to
the temple or out in nature (some quiet place) in order to quiet the
mind. I suggest that those who are bent on fundamentalist, right-wing
attitudes are afraid to be in these quiet meditative moments where they
have to face their dark secrets, et al. I have met many of these types
who do not dream (for this reason, obviously).

Valvete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41550 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: a.d. III Kal. Feb.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem III Kalendas Februarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"The seventh division of his sacred institutions was devoted to the
college of the fetiales; these may be called in Greek eirenodikai or
"arbiters of peace." They are chosen men, from the best families, and
exercise their holy office for life; King Numa was also the first who
instituted this holy magistracy among the Romans. But whether he
took his example from those called the Aequicoli, according to the
opinion of some, or from the city of Ardea, as Gellius writes, I
cannot say. It is sufficient for me to state that before Numa's reign
the college of the fetiales did not exist among the Romans . It was
instituted by Numa when he was upon the point of making war on the
people of Fidenae, who had raided and ravaged his territories, in
order to see whether they would come to an accommodation with him
without war; and that is what they actually did, being constrained by
necessity. But since the college of the fetiales is not in use among
the Greeks, I think it incumbent on me to relate how many and how
great affairs fall under its jurisdiction, to the end that those who
are unacquainted with the piety practised by the ares of those times
may not be surprised to find that all their wars had the most
successful outcome; for it will appear that the origins and motives of
them all were most holy, and for this reason especially the gods were
propitious to them in the dangers that attended them. The multitude
of duties, to be sure, that fall within the province of these fetiales
makes it no easy matter to enumerate them all; but to indicate them by
a summary outline, they are as follows: It is their duty to take care
that the Romans do not enter upon an unjust war against any city in
alliance with them, and if others begin the violation of treaties
against them, to go as ambassadors and first make formal demand for
justice, and then, if the others refuse to comply with their demands,
to sanction war. In like manner, if any people in alliance with the
Romans complain of having been injured by them and demand justice,
these men are to determine whether they have suffered anything in
violation of their alliance; and if they find are complaints well
grounded, they are to seize the accused and deliver them up to the
injured parties. They are also to take cognizance of the crimes
committed against ambassadors, to take care that treaties are
religiously observed, to make peace, and if they find that peace has
been made otherwise than is prescribed by the holy laws, to set it
aside; and to inquire into and expiate the transgressions of the
generals in so far as they relate to oaths and treaties, concerning
which I shall speak in the proper places. As to the functions they
performed in the quality of heralds when they went to any city thought
to have injured the Romans (for these things also are worthy of our
knowledge, since they were carried out with great regard to both
religion and justice), I have received the following account: One of
these fetiales, chosen by his colleagues, wearing his sacred robes and
insignia to distinguish him from all others, proceeded towards the
city whose inhabitants had done the injury; and, stopping at the
border, he called upon Jupiter and the rest of the gods to witness
that he was come to demand justice on behalf of the Roman State.
Thereupon he took an oath that he was going to a city that had done an
injury; and having uttered the most dreadful imprecations against
himself and Rome, if what he averred was not true, he then entered
their borders. Afterwards, he called to witness the first person he
met, whether it was one of the countrymen or one of the townspeople,
and having repeated the same imprecations, he advanced towards the
city. And before he entered it he called to witness in the same manner
the gate-keeper or the first person he met at the gates, after which
he proceeded to the forum; and taking his stand there, he discussed
with the magistrates the reasons for his coming, adding everywhere the
same oaths and imprecations. If, then, they were disposed to offer
satisfaction by delivering up the guilty, he departed as a friend
taking leave of friends, carrying the prisoners with him. Or, if they
desired time to deliberate, he allowed them ten days, after which he
returned and waited till they had made this request three times. But
after the expiration of the thirty days, if the city still persisted
in refusing to grant him justice, he called both the celestial and
infernal gods to witness and went away, saying no more than this, that
the Roman State would deliberate at its leisure concerning these
people. Afterwards he, together with the other fetiales, appeared
before the senate and declared that they had done everything that was
ordained by the holy laws, and that, if the senators wished to vote
for war, there would be no obstacle on the part of the gods. But if
any of these things was omitted, neither the senate nor the people had
the power to vote for war. Such, then, is the account we have received
concerning the fetiales." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 2.72


"The course of my song has led me to the altar of Peace. The day will
be the second from the end of the month. Come, Peace, thy dainty
tresses wreathed Â… and let thy gentle presence abide in the whole
world. So but there be nor foes nor food for triumphs, thou shalt be
unto our chiefs a glory greater than war. May the soldier bear arms
only to check the armed aggressor, and may the fierce trumpet blare
for naught but solemn pomp. Add incense, ye priests, to the flames
that burn on the altar of Peace."
Ovid, Fasti I. 709

On this day in 9 B.C., Augustus consecrated the alter of the Pax
Augusta on the Via Flaminia.


"Remember!" - last words of Charles I, King of England, Ireland,
France, Scotland and Wales, beheaded on 30 January A.D. 1649

Charles was moved to Hurst Castle at the end of 1648, and thereafter
to Windsor Castle. In January 1649, the House of Commons—without the
assent of either the Sovereign or the House of Lords—passed an Act of
Parliament creating a court for Charles's trial. The idea was a novel
one; previous monarchs had been deposed, but had never been brought to
trial as monarchs. The High Court of Justice established by the Act
consisted of 135 Commissioners (all firm anti-Monarchists); the
prosecution was led by Solicitor General John Cook.

The King's trial (on charges of high treason and "other high crimes")
began on 2 January, but Charles refused to enter a plea, claiming that
no court had jurisdiction over a monarch. He believed that his own
authority to rule had been given to him by God when he was crowned and
anointed, and that the power wielded by those trying him was simply
that which grew out of a barrel of gunpowder. The court was proposing
that no man is above the law. Over a period of a week, when Charles
was asked to plead three times, he refused. It was then normal
practice to take a refusal to plead as pro confesso: an admission of
guilt, which meant that the prosecution could not call witnesses to
its case. Fifty-nine of the Commissioners signed Charles's death
warrant, on 29 January 1649. After the ruling, he was led from St.
James's Palace, where he was confined, to the Palace of Whitehall,
where an execution scaffold had been erected in front of the
Banqueting House.

It was common practice for the head of a traitor to be held up and
exhibited to the crowd with the words "Behold the head of a traitor!";
although Charles' head was exhibited, the words were not used. It
might be, because William Hewlett, the inexperienced stand-by, did not
know to do so. In an unprecedented gesture, one of the revolutionary
leaders, Oliver Cromwell, allowed the King's head to be sewn back on
his body so the family could pay its respects. Charles was buried in
private and at night on 7 February 1649, in the Henry VIII vault
inside St. George's Chapel in Windsor Castle. The King's son, King
Charles II, later planned an elaborate royal mausoleum, but this never
eventuated.



Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Charles I
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_England)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41551 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
A. Apollonius Sex. Octavio omnibusque sal.

> My thoughts that i would like to share are on the
> ideals of glory in
> this day and age. Where and how is it attaned?? In
> the pasts of Rome
> and Greece glory was earned through the sword,
> people like Alexander
> and Julius Caeser. I just wish that in the time we
> live in we could do
> similar things. Live the life they could. ha, This
> is all just wishful
> thinking of course, no one today could raise a
> 40,000 man army and
> decide to conquer Kentucky. Who would want to anyway
> ha! But yes i just
> wish that we today could find a path to glory like
> those that we honor
> so much in the past. Maybe this thought will change
> as i get older for
> i am only 18, well who knows. Those are my thoughts.

An interesting question. I see that most people who
have answered so far have concentrated on how to
attain glory in the modern world at large. Let me take
a slightly different approach and talk about how the
ancient Romans gained glory. You're right to say that
one very common way of achieving great renown among
the Romans was military victory, but there were many
others which we tend to forget.

Essentially the way a Roman won renown and prestige
was by providing public goods. Victory and the peace
and security achieved by victory were major public
goods and were doubtless appreciated by most citizens.
As you say, this is not an option open to us as
citizens of Nova Roma because we have no enemies to
fight.

Another way of providing public goods, and one which
required no particular skill or talent, was to build
impressive and useful public buildings such as baths,
basilicae, and temples. These displayed generosity,
and the people who used them every day would remember
their builders (at least some of the time). They could
also be used to advertise and commemorate other
services - so for instance a victorious general might
use the booty from his victory to build a public
building, thus making a double gain: the people would
be grateful for the building itself and the building
would also remind them about the victory. Few of us in
Nova Roma have the money to build public buildings,
and there is the further problem that, since we are
not all gathered together in the same place, we would
not all be able to appreciate a public building even
if it were built. However, M. Cassius Julianus did do
something a bit like this a few years ago when he
bought and donated to Nova Roma not a building but a
plot of land. We could also see parallels with those
citizens who, out of their own pockets and using their
own time and dedication, create and maintain websites
- which are a sort of virtual building - for the
benefit of the rest of us citizens.

Another public good which a Roman might provide was
his political counsel and leadership. If there was a
serious problem in Rome which was not military but
social or constitutional then a political solution
would be needed, and a public figure who helped to
bring about a solution through legislation,
negotiation, or other forms of political leadership
would gain a high reputation. But of course this was a
rather less reliable means that military victory. In a
military campaign, for one thing, the general was
usually in complete control and was given a lot of
freedom to conduct the campaign as he thought best,
whereas in domestic politics one person's plan might
be strongly contested by others. Also, from the point
of view of the citizens at home in Rome, a military
campaign abroad is fairly clear-cut: a victory is a
victory. In domestic politics, however, things were
usually rather less clear, so a successful politician
might get less prestige than a successful general. But
there are nonetheless many Romans who were remembered,
and are still remembered today, for their political
achievements, from P. Valerius Publicola to M. Tullius
Cicero.

Politics often involved law-making, but other aspects
of law could provide renown and popularity in Roman
life. Cicero, among others, rose to prominence through
his work as an advocate in the courts. In those days
advocates did not charge fees for their services (or
at least they weren't supposed to), so representing
someone in court was a display of generosity rather
like building a public building; and, unlike building
public buildings, it took talent. But the services of
an advocate were private services and did not directly
benefit the general public, so it would take many,
many appearances in court to win the admiration and
gratitude of as many people as could be won over by a
single building or military victory. Nonetheless,
people might admire an advocate for offering his
services without charge even if they themselves never
needed to take up that offer. Similarly, there were
those like P. Mucius Scaevola and Ti. Coruncanius who,
although they did not often appear in court as
advocates, offered free legal advice to members of the
public on a wide variety of matters. Now, in Nova Roma
today we don't see too many court-cases, but legal
problems do come up from time to time, and offering
one's talents as an advocate or as a legal adviser may
still be a way to win admiration. Regrettably,
however, there are many people in Nova Roma who take a
totally un-Roman view of 'lawyers' based on their
perceptions of lawyers in the modern world. This is
strange, because most of the animosity directed
towards lawyers in the modern world is based on the
fact that they charge very high fees, and this of
course has no relevance to Nova Roma or to ancient
Rome at all. The ancient Romans regarded advocates and
legal advisers as admirable individuals who put their
time and talent at the disposal of ordinary people
without asking for money in return.

No doubt there were many other ways in which ancient
Romans won high reputations in their community.
Essentially the formula for glory was to use whatever
advantages one had - talent, wealth, or just time and
dedication - to provide a benefit to the public,
either collectively or individually. There are still
many ways to do this in the modern world, and in Nova
Roma. You may be able to think of things I haven't
suggested, but I hope what I've said has given you at
least something to ponder. Thanks for an interesting
and very relevant question.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41552 From: Phil Perez Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Re: Peace and cooperative respect are always the issue.
Salve Scipio,

You state:
"The root of all conflict is fear of not having control."

Really?...The way the sages have always seen it is another way: Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate and hate leads to suffering (pain/violence/death). The actual root of all conflict is Envy.

Meditation is one of the healthiest thing a human being can do for themselves and for those around them as well. There is no dispute there. I have personally been at it on a daily basis whenever possible since 1966. That being said, to expect the rest of the world to follow suite and have heaven on earth revealed to all is at best wishful thinking, at worst psychotic. If a bull is charging at you, meditation will not stop the charge. No matter how much meditation the Dalai Lama participated in, Tibet no longer exists. Socialism is another "great ideal" that is incompatible with reality simply because it runs against human nature. History continues to point this simple fact to everyone who is willing to look at it. Those who refuse to look at physical reality are the ostriches of humanity. All the sermons and meditation in the world will not save their physical existence.

As a student of the martial arts for the last 40 years I have always been taught that meditation is best used to learn to think clearly because when "reality" forces you to look at death in the face, you must not blink or you will no longer be among the living. Meditation should be understood for what it is, a wonderful and powerful tool for taking control of your own mind. That's all! Human kindness is much greater than meditation as a transformative tool in the world. We can all live without meditation but cannot survive for long without human kindness and this cannot be forced. It is either there or it is isn't and when its opposite is presented it is our obligation to defend ourselves against it with every fiber of our being, if not for our sakes, for that of our children.

You are confused amice, only the dead have stopped "thought", all the living can expect from meditation is to be able to separate ourselves from our own thoughts and to learn to observe them for what they are, chemical and hormonally induced neurological interactions with our reality and the external influences which cannot be totally ignored for survival's sake. We seek quite place to meditate in simply to reduce the amount of external influences. Our dreams although related to the same processes come directly from our subconscious (unlike our waking thoughts) and should be analyzed for messages which deal with our psychological wants and needs. They have to be seen from a symbological standpoint however, not from a rational reality but from a point of view that sees no future, past or present, in other words dreams are the closest thing we have in experiencing the Divine within us.

Our meditations will often give us insights into the messages of our dreams if we learn to observe them as we do our own thoughts. I suggest you read some of C.G. Jung's work since most of the "New Age" psychology is erroneously based on his life's work. The mixing of so much Eastern Philosophy and Mysticism with its Western counterparts has led to many more erroneous conclusions by our culture. Study both, but study them by themselves independently of each other and then come up with your own conclusions, you will certainly discover that most of the books that have been selling heavily on this subject are usually full of Bull!

We all have our dark secrets, and we all dream, some of us just refuse to share them with others. What makes you think that because someone says they don't dream that they really don't. Perhaps they have already sized you up as someone not worth allowing into their personal sphere because of what they already know about you. You seem to color the world in as broad a stroke as those you accuse of doing so. The jealous husband is typically the husband who would like to cheat on his wife. Because of this he sees his wife in this light. You see the people who fit your definition of "fundamentalist right wingers" this way because you yourself think this way, just have a different fundamentalism in your focus. You are just as prejudiced as those you see this way!

To quote someone you will probably hate to listen to since he is a hero of the fundamentalist right wing: "You hypocrite! First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye."

Please sir, stop painting people black (if they don't agree with you) and white (if they do). You will see much more clearly that they come in all colors...I hope I have not wasted my time on someone incapable of sight.

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus
Miles - Legio III Cyrenaica
Praefectus Gladitorium - Sodalitas Militarium Novae Romae
Editor Commentarium - Aquila Novae Romae / Legatus - Regio Maine / Provincia Nova Britannia / Nova Roma
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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:35 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Peace and cooperative respect are always the issue.


Appius Claudius Scipio

Salvete,

The root of all conflict is fear of not having control. Those who
subconsiously know that their aquisitions have interfered with the
descent-existence of others are more apt to be fearful for loss of
control. That is why they are willing to use violence and/or court
violent techniques for controling their place in existence. The only
way for this CASCADE of thought and behavior to stop is to, in essence,
stop the thought process. Some use meditation (as is taught in MARTIAL
ARTS) others pray. In ancient Roman culture, they would either go to
the temple or out in nature (some quiet place) in order to quiet the
mind. I suggest that those who are bent on fundamentalist, right-wing
attitudes are afraid to be in these quiet meditative moments where they
have to face their dark secrets, et al. I have met many of these types
who do not dream (for this reason, obviously).

Valvete







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41553 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Gallia Podcast
Salvete,



this podcast has been implemented in an attempt to include to the life of
the Forum the citizens of Gallia who might not speak English enough.

This broadcast is a very short summary (voice and text) of the principal
political news on a monthly basis.

Please take some time and tell me if anything should be improved. (I bet
there should be somethingÂ…)

You would need a software like “itunes”, “ipodder” or yahoo
(http://podcasts.yahoo.com/)

--

Ce podcast cherche à aider les citoyens de Gallia qui ne parlent pas assez
lÂ’anglais pour se tenir au courant des nouvelles du Forum de Nova Roma.

C’est un résumé assez succinct (voix et texte) des principaux évènements
politiques du mois.

Merci de l’essayer et de me dire ce qui devrait être amélioré.

Un software du type « itunes », « ipodder » ou yahoo
(http://podcasts.yahoo.com/) est nécessaire.



Optime valete,



Podcast :

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/loudblog/podcast.php?cat=default



Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae

Senator





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41554 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Re: Gallia Podcast
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sextus Apollonius Scipio"
<apollonius_scipio@f...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
>
>
> this podcast has been implemented in an attempt to include to the
life of
> the Forum the citizens of Gallia who might not speak English enough.
>
> This broadcast is a very short summary (voice and text) of the principal
> political news on a monthly basis.
>
> Please take some time and tell me if anything should be improved. (I bet
> there should be somethingÂ…)
>
> You would need a software like "itunes", "ipodder" or yahoo
> (http://podcasts.yahoo.com/)
>


Or just enter the URL (
http://www.fr-novaroma.com/loudblog/audio/ante_diem_X_Kalendas_Februarius_23_janvier_2006.mp3
) into your favorite desktop MP3 capable audio player.

M. Lucretius Agricola




> --
>
> Ce podcast cherche à aider les citoyens de Gallia qui ne parlent pas
assez
> l'anglais pour se tenir au courant des nouvelles du Forum de Nova Roma.
>
> C'est un résumé assez succinct (voix et texte) des principaux évènements
> politiques du mois.
>
> Merci de l'essayer et de me dire ce qui devrait être amélioré.
>
> Un software du type « itunes », « ipodder » ou yahoo
> (http://podcasts.yahoo.com/) est nécessaire.
>
>
>
> Optime valete,
>
>
>
> Podcast :
>
> http://www.fr-novaroma.com/loudblog/podcast.php?cat=default
>
>
>
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio
>
> Propraetor Galliae
>
> Senator
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41555 From: Gaïus Minius Gallus Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Biographies abut Marcus Antonius
De : Gaïus Minius Gallus (Roman Citizen from Provincia Hispanae)

A : S.P.Q.R



Salvete omnes,



I am looking for all kind of information and biographies about Marcus Antonius. I have been searching on "Amazon" without success : on this site, they seem only interested by Cleopatra AND (side information onlyÂ…) Marcus AntoniusÂ…
> >All your tips about Marcus Antonius Biographies (in French and/or Spanish and/or English) will be highly appreciated.> >Thanks in advance> >G.Min.Gallus (Roman Citizen from Nova Roma Hispania)>>> >


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41556 From: Shadow DarkFyre Date: 2006-01-30
Subject: Re: Peace and cooperative respect are always the issue.
Wisely said.

robertpartlow <robertpartlow@...> wrote: Appius Claudius Scipio

Salvete,

The root of all conflict is fear of not having control. Those who
subconsiously know that their aquisitions have interfered with the
descent-existence of others are more apt to be fearful for loss of
control. That is why they are willing to use violence and/or court
violent techniques for controling their place in existence. The only
way for this CASCADE of thought and behavior to stop is to, in essence,
stop the thought process. Some use meditation (as is taught in MARTIAL
ARTS) others pray. In ancient Roman culture, they would either go to
the temple or out in nature (some quiet place) in order to quiet the
mind. I suggest that those who are bent on fundamentalist, right-wing
attitudes are afraid to be in these quiet meditative moments where they
have to face their dark secrets, et al. I have met many of these types
who do not dream (for this reason, obviously).

Valvete







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41557 From: Steve Mesnick Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Biographies abut Marcus Antonius
> I am looking for all kind of information and biographies about Marcus Antonius.
> I have been searching on "Amazon" without success

Try searching not for "Marcus Antonius", but for "Mark Antony", as
he is better known in English (thanks to Shakespeare, I suppose).
"Mark" may also be "Marc"; "Antony" may also be "Anthony".

A. Tullius Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41558 From: dicconf Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Year of The Dog
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, gaiusequitiuscato wrote:

[Among the Seres, from whom we get silk --]

> The presence of the ancestors is acknowledged on New Year's Eve with a
> dinner arranged for them at the family banquet table. The spirits of
> the ancestors, together with the living, celebrate the onset of the
> New Year as one great community. The communal feast called
> "surrounding the stove" or weilu. It symbolizes family unity and
> honors the past and present generations.

We should not forget a prudent precaution of these wise foreigners, among
whom the God of the Kitchen Stove made his annual report to their
Celesztial Emperor on who had been naughty or -- er, sorry, wrong mythos
there. He reported on the familiy's conduct during the year. For this
reason the feast included sticky sweet candies which were offered to the
God in order that his words to the Emperor might be equally sweet or, if
necessary, that his mouth be stuck closed so he might not speak evil of
the household.

Beats throwing beans at the lemures, doesn't it?

-- Dick Eney (Roman name not approved yet)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41559 From: dicconf Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Peace and cooperative respect are always the issue.
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, robertpartlow wrote:

> Appius Claudius Scipio
>
> Salvete,
>
> The root of all conflict is fear of not having control. Those who
> subconsiously know that their aquisitions have interfered with the
> descent-existence of others are more apt to be fearful for loss of
> control. That is why they are willing to use violence and/or court
> violent techniques for controling their place in existence.

I don't think many of us were aware that suicide bombers, kamikaze pilots,
or terrorists in general were oippressed with worldly goods.

> The only
> way for this CASCADE of thought and behavior to stop is to, in essence,
> stop the thought process. Some use meditation (as is taught in MARTIAL
> ARTS) others pray. In ancient Roman culture, they would either go to
> the temple or out in nature (some quiet place) in order to quiet the
> mind. I suggest that those who are bent on fundamentalist, right-wing
> attitudes are afraid to be in these quiet meditative moments where they
> have to face their dark secrets, et al. I have met many of these types
> who do not dream (for this reason, obviously).

Such a suggestion would be the better for some supporting evidence -- and
an explanation of why those bent on dogmatic _left-wing_ attitudes are
not noted for devotion to quiet meditative moments.

-- Dick Eney (Roman name not approved yet)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41560 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Propraetor Provinciae Brasiliae - Keeping on the job!!!!
To members of Senatus

As said by Senatus Consulta
(http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-03-11-iv.html), me,
Caius Arminius Reccanellus, inform to members of Senatus that I want to
stay in my job of Propraetor Provinciae Brasiliae!

Could anyone forward this message to Senatus???

Valete
C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS
======================
PROPRAETOR•PROVINCIAE•BRASILIAE
QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41561 From: muzafer33 Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
>
> A. Apollonius Sex. Octavio omnibusque sal.
>
> > My thoughts that i would like to share are on the
> > ideals of glory in
> > this day and age. Where and how is it attaned?? In
> > the pasts of Rome
> > and Greece glory was earned through the sword,
> > people like Alexander
> > and Julius Caeser. I just wish that in the time we
> > live in we could do
> > similar things. Live the life they could. ha, This
> > is all just wishful
> > thinking of course, no one today could raise a
> > 40,000 man army and
> > decide to conquer Kentucky. Who would want to anyway
> > ha! But yes i just
> > wish that we today could find a path to glory like
> > those that we honor
> > so much in the past. Maybe this thought will change
> > as i get older for
> > i am only 18, well who knows. Those are my thoughts.
>

A path to glory is often apath to suffering. Neither Alexander, nore
Cezar where really great people to meet and have as friends.

There is little satisfaction of glory.. all the glory cames later,
after the death, when historians and people try to find a support in
the past for theyr not-so-illustruos present, and they exaltate and
exhilarate the important pollitical figures of the past.

Real Alexander killed many of his friends, real Alexander burned to
the ground Persepolis, real Alexander was depresive , real Alexander
was drunk.

Real Cesar wasnt a great military leader, he often made mistakes..
the true heroes where his man, the tenth legion.... Both of them
killed women and children, and have done nasty things.

The true heroes are the anonymous men, but they didnt search for
glory, and nobody will ever remember theyr name.

All that wonderfull image whe have today about those heroes is
nothing more than a sort of whisfull thinking... maybe i dont have
the correct words to explain this, mabe my english vocabulary is to
small, but anyway, hope you`l got the idea.

Nicetas Dacicus from Colonia Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41562 From: muzafer33 Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Origin of latin speaking people
For different reasons, i am strongly interested in the origins of the
latins, especially in the origin of the so called "prisci latins". As
far as i know, they have come from the Danube region, aproximattely at
1000 B.C . Howewer, i found no source mentioning more clearly from
what area of the Danube they came... this is quite an important
matter for discussing in Dacia now.

Can anybody help me find some clear data about this ?


Nicetas Dacicus, Colonia Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41563 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: prid. Kal. Feb.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est pridie Kalendas Februarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"The last branch of the ordinances of Numa related to the sacred
offices allotted to those who held the higher priest and the greatest
power among the Romans. These, from one of the duties they perform,
namely, the repairing of the wooden bridge, are in their own language
called pontifices; but they have jurisdiction over the most weighty
matters. For they the judges in all religious causes wherein private
citizens, magistrates or the ministers of the gods are concerned; they
make laws for the observance of any religious rites, not established
by written law or custom, which may seem to them worthy of receiving
the sanction of law and custom; they inquire into the conduct of all
magistrates to whom the performance of any sacrifice or other
religious duty is committed, and also into that of all the priests;
they take care that their servants and ministers whom they employ in
religious rites commit no error in the matter of the sacred laws; to
the laymen who are unacquainted with such matters they are the
expounder stone interpreters of everything relating to the worship of
the gods and genii; and if they find that any disobey their orders,
they inflict punishment upon them with due regard to every offence;
moreover, they are not liable to any prosecution or punishment, nor
are they accountable to the senate or to the people, at least
concerning religious matters. Hence, if anyone wishes to call them
hierodidaskaloi, hieronomoi, hierophylakes, or, as I think proper,
hierophantai, he will not be in error. When one of them dies, another
is appointed in his place, being chosen, not by the people, but by the
pontifices themselves, who select the person they think best qualified
among their fellow citizens; and the one thus approved of receives the
priesthood, provided the omens are favourable to them. These — not to
speak of others less important — are the greatest and the most notable
regulations made by Numa concerning religious worship and divided by
him according to the different classes of sacred rites; and through
these it came about that the city increased in piety." - Dionysius of
Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 2.73


"Jason bathed his tender body reverently in the sacred river; and
round him he placed a dark robe [and] he cut the throat of the sheep,
and duly placed the carcase above; and he kindled the logs placing
fire beneath, and poured over them mingled libations, calling on
Hecate to aid him in the contests. And when he had called on her he
drew back; and she heard him, the dread goddess, from the uttermost
depths and came to the sacrifice of Aeson's son [Jason]; and round her
horrible serpents twined themselves among the oak boughs; and there
was a gleam of countless torches; and sharply howled around her the
hounds of hell. All the meadows trembled at her step; and the nymphs
that haunt the marsh and the river shrieked, all who dance around that
mead of Amarantian Phasis. And fear seized Aeson's son, but not even
so did he turn round as his feet bore him forth, till he came back to
his comrades." - Apollonius Rhodius, "Argonautica"

"Also she bare Asteria of happy name, whom Perses once
led to his great house to be called his dear wife. And she
conceived and bare Hecate whom Zeus the son of Cronos honoured
above all. He gave her splendid gifts, to have a share of the
earth and the unfruitful sea. She received honour also in starry
heaven, and is honoured exceedingly by the deathless gods. For
to this day, whenever any one of men on earth offers rich
sacrifices and prays for favour according to custom, he calls
upon Hecate. Great honour comes full easily to him whose prayers
the goddess receives favourably, and she bestows wealth upon him;
for the power surely is with her. For as many as were born of
Earth and Ocean amongst all these she has her due portion. The
son of Cronos did her no wrong nor took anything away of all that
was her portion among the former Titan gods: but she holds, as
the division was at the first from the beginning, privilege both
in earth, and in heaven, and in sea. Also, because she is an
only child, the goddess receives not less honour, but much more
still, for Zeus honours her. Whom she will she greatly aids and
advances: she sits by worshipful kings in judgement, and in the
assembly whom she will is distinguished among the people. And
when men arm themselves for the battle that destroys men, then
the goddess is at hand to give victory and grant glory readily to
whom she will. Good is she also when men contend at the games,
for there too the goddess is with them and profits them: and he
who by might and strength gets the victory wins the rich prize
easily with joy, and brings glory to his parents. And she is
good to stand by horsemen, whom she will: and to those whose
business is in the grey discomfortable sea, and who pray to
Hecate and the loud-crashing Earth-Shaker, easily the glorious
goddess gives great catch, and easily she takes it away as soon
as seen, if so she will. She is good in the byre with Hermes to
increase the stock. The droves of kine and wide herds of goats
and flocks of fleecy sheep, if she will, she increases from a
few, or makes many to be less. So, then. albeit her mother's
only child, she is honoured amongst all the deathless gods.
And the son of Cronos made her a nurse of the young who after
that day saw with their eyes the light of all-seeing Dawn. So
from the beginning she is a nurse of the young, and these are her
honours." - Hesiod, "Theogony" II 404-452

Today was celebrated in honor of the goddess Hekate. Hecate was a
popular and ubiquitous goddess from the time of Hesiod until late
antiquity. She emerges by the 5th century B.C. as a more sinister
divine figure associated with magic and witchcraft, lunar lore and
creatures of the night, dog sacrifices and illuminated caves, as well
as doorways and crossroads. She is known by many titles, among them:

1. Hekate Propylaia -- "the one before the gate" -- a guardian goddess
whose statue was often at the entrance to major temples of other
deities, primarily Demeter, or at the entrance to private homes
2. Hekate Propolos -- "the attendant who leads" -- a personal
attendant and guide, the most famous example of which is when She
leads Persephone back to Demeter from the Underworld
3. Hekate Phosphoros -- "the light bringer" -- a torch-bearer
(probably related to her role as guide, especially one who guides and
attends initiates at the Mysteries, such as the Eleusinian Mysteries);
while other deities carried a single torch, Hekate was most
prominently associated with torch-bearing, and unlike the others, She
usually carried two; though later sources identify Her as a moon
goddess (and say the torches are a symbol of Her connection with night
and the moonlight). Her early role as torch-bearer has no such
connection, though they might refer to the Morning and Evening stars
(Venus).
4. Hekate Kourotrophos -- "child's nurse" -- a title applied to nearly
all Greek goddesses and to a few Greek gods; specifically applied to
those who govern childbirth; it may refer to a maternal caring for all
mortal beings and may possibly refer to caring for women specifically

The first three of these are Her most distinctive functions, and
generally involve attending upon more prominent deities such as
Demeter, Persephone, Artemis, and Kybele. Individually they are not
unique to Her, but no other deity can claim all of them. The last two
titles, on the other hand, are shared with numerous other deities. It
does not seem possible to rank these functions as to their importance;
different ones were emphasised at different times and locations.
Hecate was the chief goddess presiding over magic and spells. She
witnessed the abduction of Demeter's daughter Persephone to the
underworld and, torch in hand, assisted in the search for her. Thus,
pillars called Hecataea stood at crossroads and doorways, perhaps to
keep away evil spirits. Hecate was represented as single-formed, clad
in a long robe, holding burning torches; in later representations she
was triple-formed, with three bodies standing back to back, probably
so that she could look in all directions at once from the crossroads.
Because of this she is sometimes referred to as the Triple Goddess.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Hesiod, Apollonius Rhodius, Hekate
(http://www.goddessmystic.com/CoreCurriculum/Goddesses/Hekate/index.shtml)
and (http://www.goddess.ws/hecate.html)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41564 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Propraetor Provinciae Brasiliae - Keeping on the job!!!!
---Salve A. Arminius Reccanellus Propraetor et Salvete Omnes:

I shall be posting a more formal reminder later today or tomorrow
regarding this issue, but I want you to know that the Consuls have
received your request below.

Valete
Pompeia Minucia Strabo
Consul


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS
<c.arminius.reccanellus@g...> wrote:
>
> To members of Senatus
>
> As said by Senatus Consulta
> (http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-03-11-iv.html),
me,
> Caius Arminius Reccanellus, inform to members of Senatus that I
want to
> stay in my job of Propraetor Provinciae Brasiliae!
>
> Could anyone forward this message to Senatus???
>
> Valete
> C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS
> ======================
> PROPRAETOR•PROVINCIAE•BRASILIAE
> QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
> "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41565 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Salve Nicete Dacice,

I understood what you said perfectly. A modern example would be all
the fuss and glory given to several celebreties who speak up and
canvas against land mines...at a safe distance mind you! as an
example, we know Princess Diana's name and contribution but nothing
of the names of the poor soldiers, several of which get killed every
year trying to dig the bombs up or deacitivating them.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus




>
> A path to glory is often apath to suffering. Neither Alexander,
nore
> Cezar where really great people to meet and have as friends.
>
> There is little satisfaction of glory.. all the glory cames later,
> after the death, when historians and people try to find a support
in
> the past for theyr not-so-illustruos present, and they exaltate
and
> exhilarate the important pollitical figures of the past.
>
> Real Alexander killed many of his friends, real Alexander burned
to
> the ground Persepolis, real Alexander was depresive , real
Alexander
> was drunk.
>
> Real Cesar wasnt a great military leader, he often made mistakes..
> the true heroes where his man, the tenth legion.... Both of them
> killed women and children, and have done nasty things.
>
> The true heroes are the anonymous men, but they didnt search for
> glory, and nobody will ever remember theyr name.
>
> All that wonderfull image whe have today about those heroes is
> nothing more than a sort of whisfull thinking... maybe i dont have
> the correct words to explain this, mabe my english vocabulary is
to
> small, but anyway, hope you`l got the idea.
>
> Nicetas Dacicus from Colonia Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41566 From: flavius leviticus Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Salve,Nicetas Dacius,Greetings.Io Saturnalia;Your vocabulary may be small but your words are sufficiant to convey your thoughts on the matter.Thank you for your input.I think you are correct in many of your conjections.The Path to Glory is in many ways strewed with the figures of the past as modern man strives to understand and learn this path by the actions of those in the past be they great philosophers or military heroes.Man is allways searching in the past to find parrelels to the present in their pursuit of understanding it's meaning in the present.It is true that the men who often brought this honor were the men who defended the Empire and now are forgoten elements lost in the mists of time.It must as I see it be an individual and often lonely pursuit.Sometimes a communal effort to Deify those past representatives of tribe and allegiance that permits us to try to evaluate and understand this thorny path.The path of meditation may help us come to a better understanding of
ourselves and how we stand in the present scheme of things.One must try to avoid the influence of others in making these decisiones for ourselves.To avoid the influence of others it is most important to know ourselves.First and formost.So now you have my belabored opinion.I hope this is beneficial to you in your pusuits.Alve,Appius Galerius Aurelianus,Semper Fidelis!

muzafer33 <muzafer33@...> wrote: --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
>
> A. Apollonius Sex. Octavio omnibusque sal.
>
> > My thoughts that i would like to share are on the
> > ideals of glory in
> > this day and age. Where and how is it attaned?? In
> > the pasts of Rome
> > and Greece glory was earned through the sword,
> > people like Alexander
> > and Julius Caeser. I just wish that in the time we
> > live in we could do
> > similar things. Live the life they could. ha, This
> > is all just wishful
> > thinking of course, no one today could raise a
> > 40,000 man army and
> > decide to conquer Kentucky. Who would want to anyway
> > ha! But yes i just
> > wish that we today could find a path to glory like
> > those that we honor
> > so much in the past. Maybe this thought will change
> > as i get older for
> > i am only 18, well who knows. Those are my thoughts.
>

A path to glory is often apath to suffering. Neither Alexander, nore
Cezar where really great people to meet and have as friends.

There is little satisfaction of glory.. all the glory cames later,
after the death, when historians and people try to find a support in
the past for theyr not-so-illustruos present, and they exaltate and
exhilarate the important pollitical figures of the past.

Real Alexander killed many of his friends, real Alexander burned to
the ground Persepolis, real Alexander was depresive , real Alexander
was drunk.

Real Cesar wasnt a great military leader, he often made mistakes..
the true heroes where his man, the tenth legion.... Both of them
killed women and children, and have done nasty things.

The true heroes are the anonymous men, but they didnt search for
glory, and nobody will ever remember theyr name.

All that wonderfull image whe have today about those heroes is
nothing more than a sort of whisfull thinking... maybe i dont have
the correct words to explain this, mabe my english vocabulary is to
small, but anyway, hope you`l got the idea.

Nicetas Dacicus from Colonia Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa










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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41567 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
SALVE PEREGRINE !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "muzafer33" <muzafer33@y...> wrote:

> Nicetas Dacicus from Colonia Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa

You are my guest. Don't esitate to visit the Praetoria.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DaciaNR/

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41568 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: MM website promotion
SALVETE NOVI ROMANI !

http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/draft.htm

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS & EQUITIUS CATO
Curule Aediles
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41569 From: Iulia Caesaris Cytheris Aege Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Salve et salvete!

I cannot agree neither with Apollonius Octavio nor with the one who claims to be a Dacian. One cannot possible compare the nowadays concept of ‘glory’ with the one which existed in the times of Caesar or Alexander the Great. The present moment conveys ‘glory’ with a lot of equivalents, glory can be seen as moral integrity, as the power of self renewing, and I let you come with your own definition.
As for saying such things about people who were able to build an empireÂ…shame!!!!! Why do I have the feeling that you, Nicetas Dacicus, are but one of those historians that you talk about. Did you meet Julius Caesar? Ever saw his soul outside a history book? At least he had the courage to make mistakes and assume the responsibility of his mistakes. You speak of the anonymous true heroesÂ…all we know about what was it like 2000 years ago is from books; and could you tell for sure that it wasnÂ’t an anonymous who disobeyed an order which led to defeat, and that it wasnÂ’t an anonymous who provided the necessary thoughts to Alexander in order to make him feel depressive?
I do not try to hide the bad things which happened, but I do believe that a nasty thing is to denigrate their achievements. Everything in this world that goes round comes around; it matters if something is left behind. The Roman Republic was not build only on murders and wars, but on the virtues of many valuable people. Some had to sacrifice (someone had to shout, someone had to be on guard, someone had to dare) for the good of the others. So did Caesar.


De bene omnibus nobis,

Iulia Caesaris Cytheris Aege.


muzafer33 <muzafer33@...> wrote: --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
>
> A. Apollonius Sex. Octavio omnibusque sal.
>
> > My thoughts that i would like to share are on the
> > ideals of glory in
> > this day and age. Where and how is it attaned?? In
> > the pasts of Rome
> > and Greece glory was earned through the sword,
> > people like Alexander
> > and Julius Caeser. I just wish that in the time we
> > live in we could do
> > similar things. Live the life they could. ha, This
> > is all just wishful
> > thinking of course, no one today could raise a
> > 40,000 man army and
> > decide to conquer Kentucky. Who would want to anyway
> > ha! But yes i just
> > wish that we today could find a path to glory like
> > those that we honor
> > so much in the past. Maybe this thought will change
> > as i get older for
> > i am only 18, well who knows. Those are my thoughts.
>

A path to glory is often apath to suffering. Neither Alexander, nore
Cezar where really great people to meet and have as friends.

There is little satisfaction of glory.. all the glory cames later,
after the death, when historians and people try to find a support in
the past for theyr not-so-illustruos present, and they exaltate and
exhilarate the important pollitical figures of the past.

Real Alexander killed many of his friends, real Alexander burned to
the ground Persepolis, real Alexander was depresive , real Alexander
was drunk.

Real Cesar wasnt a great military leader, he often made mistakes..
the true heroes where his man, the tenth legion.... Both of them
killed women and children, and have done nasty things.

The true heroes are the anonymous men, but they didnt search for
glory, and nobody will ever remember theyr name.

All that wonderfull image whe have today about those heroes is
nothing more than a sort of whisfull thinking... maybe i dont have
the correct words to explain this, mabe my english vocabulary is to
small, but anyway, hope you`l got the idea.

Nicetas Dacicus from Colonia Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa










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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41570 From: marcushoratius Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Salvete Sexte Lepide, Marce Philippe, et omnes

Politicians and historians may glorify or vilify the leaders who
bring us to war. Time has a way of changing our perspective on the
causes of why any nation goes to war. That has nothing to do with
the individual soldier. Those of us who went to war voluuntarily
during the Viet Nam conflict, for the most part I think, did so
because we believed we might help establish peace and democracy for
the Vietnamese people. The reality was different. And today
soldiers, like my son, go to Iraq with some belief in serving a just
cause. Others will see it differently because there are many issues
involved. But I was looking at what Sextus Lepidus said, as an
individual who thinks he might attain some personal glory by
becoming a soldier.

Dulce bellum inexpertis. "War is sweet to those who have never
experienced it."

In battle, whether you were a Roman soldier or a modern soldier,
there is no time to think about glory. You'd be surprised by all
the strange thoughts that enter your head in the heat of battle, and
to survive you must throw them out and focus on the business at
hand. Training, your comrads, your unit's cohesion are what make it
possible for you to survive combat. That is just as true today as
it was for any Roman miles. The overriding thoughts of any soldier
in battle, if he has any, is not about politics or glory but whether
he will survive to fight another day. That is still true today as
it was two-thousand years ago.

Afterwards you might have time to think. One of my most vivid
memories is lying down after a long march and a few firefights,
totally exhausted, just watching the sun sink behind a line of trees
without any thoughts, just a complete sense of tranquility. But the
other things, I did not see any glory in watching friends and
comrads, or enemies for that matter, be torn to shreds. In Nam, on
the Golan Heights, in Central America. Sitting under a tree,
thinking I had a chance to enjoy a tin of cold beans, a torso was
suddenly thrown into the branches above me, the soldier still alive,
reaching down for help, as his intestines slowly oozed down into my
can of beans. I no longer eat cold beans, and I see nothing
glorious in recalling that memory. Nor in coming upon a friend
lying in a field after the delicate attention of our enemies had
turned him into an unrecognizable bloody pulp, still alive, covered
with insects, and begging us to kill him. No glory there. Leading
my team in a counter assault on an ambush, taking the enemy in the
rear, the exhiliration of seeing the enemy run away - no glory when
it meant the rest of my rifle team was turned to shredded underwear
by the mg fire we passed through.

I cannot imagine it was much different for Roman soldiers. Caesar
may have reaped some glory. But for the individual soldier, hacking
his way through enemies, lugging around all his equiptment on his
back, ending the day with the barest of rations - you might ask
Caesar's legions what glory they saw when they initially mutinied as
he told them that yet another campaign awaited them in North
Africa. What glory was there for individual Roman soldiers who
returned from war to find their land taken? Why did Tiberius
Gracchus have to propose land be made available to soldiers
returning from campaigns? Why did other tribunes have to propose
land be given to the veterans of Marius, or of Caesar, if they had
reaped so much glory in warfare? That doesn't seem to have changed
much over the millenium either. Caesar had his triumphal
procession, his soldiers got to march once more in it, and
afterwards? You might want to talk to some of those veterans in VA
hospitals today before you allow yourself to entertain any idea of
an individual soldier attaining glory by what he'd see in battle in
any war, in any time period. Those who go seeking personal glory
either get themselves killed or their comrads killed, and that too
hasn't changed since the time of Caesar. Those individual soldiers
who did attain any personal glory in battle did so by fighting to
save the lives of their comrads. Caesar, in his accounts of his
campaigns, recorded the names of some; those who he, as a soldier,
most respected, for unselfishly acting on behalf of their fellow
soldiers, not for politics, not for glory, but out of comraderie.
Caesar also showed a great deal of respect towards Pompeius, not
because of past glories attained, but due to the common experience
they had shared as soldiers. That common bond between combat
soldiers I think extends over time, too, between soldiers who fight
for different armies, in different wars, because of shared
experiences, but it has nothing to do with glory.

Valete optime
Piscinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41571 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Salvete omnes,

I think figures Julius Caesar and Alexander The Great, in spite of
their flaws, greed, lust for power or other indescretions we would
call war crimes in this era, have been at least partially to well
respected over the test of time because unlike so many others, they
were always at the forefront, consistantly first in line with respect
to harm's way and never asked their soldiers to do or risk anything
they would not do themseves.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41572 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Gallia Podcast
Salvete Agricolae Omnesque,

Thank you for your input!!

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae
Senator

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] De la part
de M. Lucretius Agricola
Envoyé : January 31, 2006 1:39 AM
À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [Nova-Roma] Re: Gallia Podcast

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sextus Apollonius Scipio"
<apollonius_scipio@f...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
>
>
> this podcast has been implemented in an attempt to include to the
life of
> the Forum the citizens of Gallia who might not speak English enough.
>
> This broadcast is a very short summary (voice and text) of the principal
> political news on a monthly basis.
>
> Please take some time and tell me if anything should be improved. (I bet
> there should be somethingÂ…)
>
> You would need a software like "itunes", "ipodder" or yahoo
> (http://podcasts.yahoo.com/)
>


Or just enter the URL (
http://www.fr-novaroma.com/loudblog/audio/ante_diem_X_Kalendas_Februarius_23
_janvier_2006.mp3
) into your favorite desktop MP3 capable audio player.

M. Lucretius Agricola




> --
>
> Ce podcast cherche à aider les citoyens de Gallia qui ne parlent pas
assez
> l'anglais pour se tenir au courant des nouvelles du Forum de Nova Roma.
>
> C'est un résumé assez succinct (voix et texte) des principaux évènements
> politiques du mois.
>
> Merci de l'essayer et de me dire ce qui devrait être amélioré.
>
> Un software du type « itunes », « ipodder » ou yahoo
> (http://podcasts.yahoo.com/) est nécessaire.
>
>
>
> Optime valete,
>
>
>
> Podcast :
>
> http://www.fr-novaroma.com/loudblog/podcast.php?cat=default
>
>
>
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio
>
> Propraetor Galliae
>
> Senator
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41573 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: yay!!!!
Salve, G. Acilia Noctua

Congratulations! And the best of luck with the test. I'm sure you'll nail it. :)

Vale bene in pace deorum,

Maxima Valeria Messallina
Sacerdos Vestalis

raven_soultamer69 <ravensoultamer69@...> wrote:
i'm so happy right now, i recieved my approval for provisional citizenship. now to read up and refresh my memory on all things roman.
shouldn't be to hard for me i was pretty good at roman history in school. my family and i are in the process of moving but hopefully after that i'll be able to chat and post with you folks more often.

blessings to you and yours,
Gaia Acilia Noctua

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41574 From: marcushoratius Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: MM website promotion
Salvete Quirites

I have been speaking with Titus Sabinus about a way we may better
promote the Magna Mater Project, and likely Nova Roma and its
individual provinciae in the process.

You attract browsers to your website by providing information that
people may search. For the Magna Mater Project Artoria Marcella,
Sempronia Justina and I are working on rewriting that website's
historical information. We are busy researching now and the end
product will provide much information on various aspects of the
cultus of the Magna Mater, all fully documented.

One area that I am covering is the presence of the Magna Mater in
the various provinces. Researching on this topic, I am currently
reviewing the CIL and similiar sources, gathering up the various
inscriptions related to the Magna Mater in each province. When I
am done I hope to provide information to selected Nova Roma
provinciae to use on their websites concerning the Magna Mater in
their respective provinces. What the page would have is a selected
of inscriptions and a short introduction. For example, "The Magna
Mater in Dacia" will have thirteen inscriptions recorded in the CIL,
IDR, and AE, and a description of the cultus of Magna Mater as it
related to provincia Dacia. Some provinces will have more
inscriptions, others less. I have found 11 inscriptions in Hispania
thus far, for Italia, 6 inscriptions in Apulia alone and many more
to follow. For Gallia, I have 17,521 inscriptions to go through, I
have already gone through nearly three thousand for Aquitania alone
(for all of you who have been wondering why I am not visiting the
lists often lately). In Aquitania alone I have thus far collected
26 inscriptions. Putting up this kind of information would likely
attract more people to the provincial websites, and it gives the
Mater Magna Project greater exposure, as it should also do for the
rest of Nova Roma.

Another part of my research is to note how many inscriptions are in
each provincia that concern particular deities. For example in
Dacia, out of 4476 inscriptions that I could find, 1138 pertain to
deities. Of these, 27% pertain to Jupiter Optimus Maximus (303),
follwed by Silvanus (88) 8% ; Aesculapius (62) 5%; Diana (57) 5%;
Hercules (53) 5%, and so on. For my research this information is
intended to show the relative importance of the Magna Mater in the
various provinces. What it could mean for NR provincial websites
are lists of all the Gods and Goddesses that may be found in
inscriptions throughout their respective provinciae. Some wil be
very interesting. In Aquitania I found that of the 523 Gods and
Goddesses mentioned in the inscriptions, about half are Gallic
deities of whom I had never heard before. Putting this kind of
information to your websites would also likely attract more people
to your websites, and of course that would also provide the Magna
Mater Project with additional exposure by having a link from such
pages to our own website.

At the moment this part of our promotion plan pertains only to the
websites of our European provinciae. However if cives in other
provinciae wish to generate similar pages for their own websites, by
the time we are done there will be a good deal of information to
draw on. Of course I could use a little help in wading through so
many inscriptions. Flavius in Australia is lending me a hand at the
moment, and I have plenty of work for anyone else who is interested.
Most of the inscriptions are simple and follow a set formula.
Others, though, we may wish to have translated into the languages of
the respective provinciae, so we can use translators in various
languages. Then for the last part of our plan, we need individuals
to write articles for provincial websites; the team at the Magna
Mater Project will supply you with information.

If you are interested in getting involved in the Magna Mater Project
write to Curule Aedilis Titus Sabinus, <iulius_sabinus@y...> If you
are interested in getting involved with the part of the project that
I have outlined above then write to me at mhoratius@...


Valete et vadete in pace Deorum

M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
Sciba Aedilis TIS: Magna Mater Project


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
<iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:
>
> SALVETE NOVI ROMANI !
>
> http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/draft.htm
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS & EQUITIUS CATO
> Curule Aediles
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 41575 From: S Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2006-01-31
Subject: Re: Path of Glory
Avete Omnes,

I wrote this 5 days after turning 18.

Fragment from a Battlefield
17 March 1975

The waiting is
The hardest part
The not knowing
The hanging time

I look across
The open field
At long dark lines
Of massing foes

The air is thick
With stink of fear
But courage is
To duty do

The bugles blare
Call to advance
The foe gives voice
An awful sound

Shield comrades march
To charge and fight
No brave man I
Nor a coward

It comes to this
No real glory
To live or die
With sword brothers

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In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias, Diribitor et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/

--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.