Hi
I am looking for a roman reenacting group in arizona, if possible in
phoenix. I have researched different sites and found nothing. Thanks
b

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Salvete Omnes,

I regretfully tender my resignation as Editor Comentariorum of Nova Roma's Aquila. I take full responsibility for my failure in this task. I am obviously not up to the task as it is shaping up to be. From my experience in the last month, all I can say is that the "Aquila" should be renamed the "Phoenix" since it seems that whenever a new editor takes over he or she must re-invent it from the ashes of its former existence. This I refuse to do. I signed up to take over the helm of an "existing" and "established" entity, not just a "name" to work with. This must probably set a record for a resignation of a magistrate of Nova Roma this early in the year. I do so this early so that perhaps someone more "qualified" than I can take over this position. I do so with a heavy heart since I had so wanted to take it to new heights.

I had intended to take this existing cybermedium into new regions with the new and inexpensive technologies that are now finally available such as short video and audio segments. Recently an award winning short film was made with...a cell phone! Anything from watching a Roman dish being prepared to a short tour of an archeological site or instructions on making simple adjustments and repairs to armor could have easily been done with the help of citizens in Nova Roma who could have provided such clips to the Aquila (as well as the traditional journalistic columns, articles, poems, short stories, horoscope, etc.). Short video interviews of citizens around the world was another aspect I wanted to pursue.

In order to do this I first had to be able to know what I had to work with. I needed to actually access the website domain and find out what was available to work with. Just like an interior decorator must first see the space before he can redesign it, I had to see what was actually there to work with. As I previously stated, I did not foresee that before I could do this job I would have to "re-invent" the Aquila by establishing it from scratch. This is extremely counterproductive! I would have had to spend fruitless time going back and forth to the Senate for funds, approvals, etc. This should not have to happen with an existing publication/website. How can it ever grow or expand into new realms if it has to be reborn every time a new editor takes over. Just because things have always been done this way is no reason for it to continue this way, this is simply stupid!

The former editor of Aquila recommended that I simply do it like he did. Go and write just about every article myself, collect those that others want to contribute and submit them to the man who has the access to the website and who apparently does not have the "authority" to share access to it with the new editor. Then simply tell him the order I would like them to appear in and just let him do the layout and that's that. This is being an editor? I'm sorry but that is not how I work. I have been given "responsibility" by the citizens of Nova Roma by virtue of an election to produce the Aquila. I cannot be "responsible" for a product without any "authority". "Authority" in this meduim is as simple as possessing the password to make changes and downloads in a website. This access has been impossible to obtain.

For some inexplicable reason, no one will provide me with this information. I have spent the last month chasing my tail around trying to get the access to the website to be able to start my job as editor. All I have received in my attempts have been new names of people to contact, which have led me in a circle right back to where I started - nowhere. I think you have all experienced this sort of thing when calling a huge corporation like a phone company (or the new U.S. Post Office System) and getting only the computer menu which led you in a circle over an hour's time right back to where you started from, only totally frustrated by then from listening to muzak or a commercial about there services repeated endlessly.

Who is accountable at Nova Roma for the Aquila if not the Editor, and if this is the case why can the editor not have access to the existing website that holds the Aquila? This is what has finally led me to the conclusion that it isn't worth doing - at least not for me. I had intended to wait until Friday to announce this but I have reached the limit of my patience with this. I have spent an entire month writing messages and accomplishing absolutely nothing!

Valete,
Marcus Cassius Philippus




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Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Marco Cassio Philippo salutem dicit

It is too bad that you feel it necessary to resign, but I understand what it
feels like to be frustrated. However, even though this is an after the fact
sort of thing you should have contacted myself or Pompeia Minucia Strabo.
As Consuls either of us, or both, could have come to a workable solution to
your frustration.

We are here to help.

I see no reason why you shouldn't have had access to the website to do your
job.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul

On 2/1/06, Phil Perez <senseiphil@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I regretfully tender my resignation as Editor Comentariorum of Nova Roma's
> Aquila. I take full responsibility for my failure in this task. I am
> obviously not up to the task as it is shaping up to be. From my experience
> in the last month, all I can say is that the "Aquila" should be renamed the
> "Phoenix" since it seems that whenever a new editor takes over he or she
> must re-invent it from the ashes of its former existence. This I refuse to
> do. I signed up to take over the helm of an "existing" and "established"
> entity, not just a "name" to work with. This must probably set a record for
> a resignation of a magistrate of Nova Roma this early in the year. I do so
> this early so that perhaps someone more "qualified" than I can take over
> this position. I do so with a heavy heart since I had so wanted to take it
> to new heights.
>
> I had intended to take this existing cybermedium into new regions with the
> new and inexpensive technologies that are now finally available such as
> short video and audio segments. Recently an award winning short film was
> made with...a cell phone! Anything from watching a Roman dish being prepared
> to a short tour of an archeological site or instructions on making simple
> adjustments and repairs to armor could have easily been done with the help
> of citizens in Nova Roma who could have provided such clips to the Aquila
> (as well as the traditional journalistic columns, articles, poems, short
> stories, horoscope, etc.). Short video interviews of citizens around the
> world was another aspect I wanted to pursue.
>
> In order to do this I first had to be able to know what I had to work
> with. I needed to actually access the website domain and find out what was
> available to work with. Just like an interior decorator must first see the
> space before he can redesign it, I had to see what was actually there to
> work with. As I previously stated, I did not foresee that before I could do
> this job I would have to "re-invent" the Aquila by establishing it from
> scratch. This is extremely counterproductive! I would have had to spend
> fruitless time going back and forth to the Senate for funds, approvals, etc.
> This should not have to happen with an existing publication/website. How can
> it ever grow or expand into new realms if it has to be reborn every time a
> new editor takes over. Just because things have always been done this way is
> no reason for it to continue this way, this is simply stupid!
>
> The former editor of Aquila recommended that I simply do it like he did.
> Go and write just about every article myself, collect those that others want
> to contribute and submit them to the man who has the access to the website
> and who apparently does not have the "authority" to share access to it with
> the new editor. Then simply tell him the order I would like them to appear
> in and just let him do the layout and that's that. This is being an editor?
> I'm sorry but that is not how I work. I have been given "responsibility" by
> the citizens of Nova Roma by virtue of an election to produce the Aquila. I
> cannot be "responsible" for a product without any "authority". "Authority"
> in this meduim is as simple as possessing the password to make changes and
> downloads in a website. This access has been impossible to obtain.
>
> For some inexplicable reason, no one will provide me with this
> information. I have spent the last month chasing my tail around trying to
> get the access to the website to be able to start my job as editor. All I
> have received in my attempts have been new names of people to contact, which
> have led me in a circle right back to where I started - nowhere. I think you
> have all experienced this sort of thing when calling a huge corporation like
> a phone company (or the new U.S. Post Office System) and getting only the
> computer menu which led you in a circle over an hour's time right back to
> where you started from, only totally frustrated by then from listening to
> muzak or a commercial about there services repeated endlessly.
>
> Who is accountable at Nova Roma for the Aquila if not the Editor, and if
> this is the case why can the editor not have access to the existing website
> that holds the Aquila? This is what has finally led me to the conclusion
> that it isn't worth doing - at least not for me. I had intended to wait
> until Friday to announce this but I have reached the limit of my patience
> with this. I have spent an entire month writing messages and accomplishing
> absolutely nothing!
>
> Valete,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus


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A. Apollonius Juliae Cytheri omnibusque sal.

> I cannot agree neither with Apollonius Octavio...

Neither can I, because this person doesn't exist. The
words you disagree with were written by Sex. Octavius
Lepidus. I replied to him, quoting his words, and my
reply began with the greeting "A. Apollonius Sex.
Octavio omnibusque sal.", which means "Aulus
Apollonius [that's me] greets Sextus Octavius [that's
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Salve Marcus Cassius Philippus!

I am among those who doesn't like punishing people because they
resign as they might have good reasons to be frustrated.

I am afraid I am very busy in my private life, but I _had_ to see if
I could be of some assistance. Please write to me privately and tell
me who You have talked to and I will see if I can help You. I am a
Sentor and privatus, but I still have good knowledge of the inner
workings of Nova Roma and _might_ be able to help.

Please let us take a last chance for the good of the Res Publica.

>Salvete Omnes,
>
>I regretfully tender my resignation as Editor Comentariorum of Nova
>Roma's Aquila. I take full responsibility for my failure in this
>task. I am obviously not up to the task as it is shaping up to be.
>From my experience in the last month, all I can say is that the
>"Aquila" should be renamed the "Phoenix" since it seems that
>whenever a new editor takes over he or she must re-invent it from
>the ashes of its former existence. This I refuse to do. I signed up
>to take over the helm of an "existing" and "established" entity, not
>just a "name" to work with. This must probably set a record for a
>resignation of a magistrate of Nova Roma this early in the year. I
>do so this early so that perhaps someone more "qualified" than I can
>take over this position. I do so with a heavy heart since I had so
>wanted to take it to new heights.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senator, Censorius et Consularis
Accensus GFBM, Scriba Censoris GEM
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

EDICTVM CONSVLARE VECTIGALIVM ANNO MMDCCLIX AVC


I. Secundum Senatus Consultum mense Novembre anno MMDCCLV A.V.C. iussum
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2002-11-09-results.html pretium vectigalium anno MMDCCLIX ex hoc statuo

(Pursuant to the Senatus Consultum passed in November of 2755 auc, http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2002-11-09-results.html
I hereby establish the tax rates for 2759 auc.)

TABVLA PRAETIORVM VECTIGALIVM NOVAE ROMAE ANNO MMDCCLIX AVC
( Nova RomaTax Rate Table for 2759 ab urbe condita)




COUNTRY/PROV. NR PAYABLE USD EQUIV. CURRENCY
____________________________________________________________________
____________________________________________________________________
Albania $1.47 149.60 ALL
____________________________________________________________________
Andorra 8.04 6.60 EURO
____________________________________________________________________
Armenia 1.53 672.40 AMD
____________________________________________________________________
Argentina
(Argentina) 1.08 3.28 ARS
____________________________________________________________________
Austria
(Germania) 6.87 5.67 EURO
____________________________________________________________________

Australia
(Australia) 9.60 12.85 AUD
____________________________________________________________________
Bosnia &Herzigovina 2.04 3.23 BAM
____________________________________________________________________
Brazil
(Brazilia) 2.55 5.80 BRL
_____________________________________________________________________
Bulgaria 2.70 4.33 BGN
_______________________________________________________________________
Belgium
(Gallia) 9.54 7.88 EURO
______________________________________________________________________
Canada
(Canada Orientalis) 9.80 11.30 CAD
______________________________________________________________________
Canada
(Canada Occidentalis) 9.80 11.30 CAD
______________________________________________________________________
Chili 3.39 1800.31 CLP
______________________________________________________________________
China 1.86 15.00 CNY
_______________________________________________________________________
Columbia 2.13 4834.30 COP
_______________________________________________________________________
Costa Rica 3.00 1496.25 CRC
_______________________________________________________________________
Croatia 3.57 21.79 HRK
_______________________________________________________________________
Czech Rep.
(Pannonia) 5.43 127.23 CZK
_______________________________________________________________________
Denmark
(Thule) 10.05 61.95 DMK
_______________________________________________________________________
Ecuador 1.17 29250. 00 ECS
______________________________________________________________________
Finland
(Thule) 9.09 7.50 EURO
______________________________________________________________________
France
(Gallia) 8.97 7.40 EURO
_______________________________________________________________________
Germany
(Germania) 8.91 7.35 EURO
_______________________________________________________________________
Greece 6.84 5.65 EURO
_______________________________________________________________________
Honduras 0.87 16.40 HNL
______________________________________________________________________
Hungary
(Pannonia) 4.77 976.86 HVF
______________________________________________________________________
Ireland
(Hibernia) 10.23 8.45 EURO or Use UK rate below
_______________________________________________________________________
Iceland
(Thule) 10.38 632.54 ISK
______________________________________________________________________
Israel
(Asia Occidentalis) 6.66 30.75 ILS
_______________________________________________________________________
Italy
(Italia) 8.49 7.00 EURO
______________________________________________________________________
Japan
(Asia Orientalis) 9.12 1052.63 JPY
_______________________________________________________________________
Korea (s)
(Asia Orientalis) 6.39 5.28 KPW
______________________________________________________________________
Luxemberg 18.81 15.54 EURO
______________________________________________________________________
Macedonia 2.22 112.80 MKD
______________________________________________________________________
Malaysia
(Asia Orientalis) 3.12 11.70 MYR
______________________________________________________________________
Mexico
(Mexico) 3.00 31.57 MXP
______________________________________________________________________
Netherlands
(Gallia) 9.15 7.56 EURO
_______________________________________________________________________
NewZealand
7.23 10.66 NZD
_______________________________________________________________________
Nicaragua 0.84 14.35 NIO
________________________________________________________________________
Nigeria 0.30 38.93 NGN
______________________________________________________________________
Norway
(Thule) 12.72 84.89 NOK
_______________________________________________________________________
Phillipines
(Asia Orientalis) 1 .53 80.82 PHP
_______________________________________________________________________
Portugal
(Hispania) 5.52 4.56 EURO
________________________________________________________________________
Poland
(Venedia) 3.81 12.00 PLN
________________________________________________________________________
Romania
(Dacia) 2.49 7.40 ROL
_______________________________________________________________________
Russia
(Sarmatia) 3.21 90.70 RUR
_______________________________________________________________________
Singapore
(Asia Orientalis) 8.91 14.50 SGD
_______________________________________________________________________
Slovakia
(Pannonia) 4.71 144.17 SKK
________________________________________________________________________
S. Africa 3.57 21.40 ZAR
_______________________________________________________________________
Spain
(Hispania) 7.53 6.20 EURO
________________________________________________________________________
Sweden
(Thule) 8.88 68.28 SEK
________________________________________________________________________
Switzerland
(Germania) 10.50 13.47 CHF
________________________________________________________________________
Turkey
(Asia Occidentalis) 2.37 3.17 TRL
_______________________________________________________________________
Ukraine
(Sarmatia) 2.04 1032.38 UAH
________________________________________________________________________
UK
(Britannia) 9.27 5.25 GBP
________________________________________________________________________
Uruguay 3.00 72.15 UYU
________________________________________________________________________
Venezuala 1.92 4163.05 VEB
_______________________________________________________________________
Vietnam 0.90 14328.92 VND
_______________________________________________________________________
United States of America Provinciae Novae Romae:

Austroccidentalis............ 12.50 USD
Austrorientalis .................12.50 USD
Boreoccidentalis ..............12.50 USD
California .........................12.50 USD
Laci Magni ......................12.50 USD
Mediatlantica....................12.50 USD
Medioccidentalis.............. 12.50 USD
Nova Britannia................. 12.50 USD

_______________________________________________________________________

II. Pridie Kalendas Maias dies ultima in qua vectigalia sine poena pendantur constituta est. Licet vectigalia pendere post illam diem, sed poena dimidia parte (quinquaginta[L]percento) debebitur. Exempli gratia, necesse est ut civis qui ante diem ultimam thaleros duodecim ($XII) debeat, postquam thaleros duodeviginti ($XVIII) pendant.

(Deadline for remittance of taxes is the last day of April. Taxes may be remitted after that date, with a penalty of an extra 50%. For example, a citizen who owes 12.00 would need to pay 18.00 after the deadline.)

III. Vnicuique qui/quae provinciae gubernator est exemplar huius edicti ad provinciae indices (ubi exstant) transmittendum est. Vnicuique traductori Novae Romae publico hunc edictum in linguam/linguas quarum rationaem reddere debet vertendum. Edicti huius appendix consilium civibus continet, et cum edicto semetipso transmitti/verti debeat.

(Each provincial governor is required to copy this edict to their provincial lists (where applicable). Each of Nova Roma's official Interpreters is required to translate this edict into the language(s) for which they are responsible. The appendix to this edictum contains advice to citizens and should be forwarded/translated with the main document.)

Hoc edictum statim valet

(This edictum is effective immediately.)

Datum sub manu mea Kalendis Februariis, MMDCCLIX A.V.C.
Gaio Fabio Buteoni Modiano Pompeiae Minuciae Strabone Consulibus

(Given under my hand, this First Day of February, 2759 ab urbe condita in the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia Strabo)


APPENDIX Advice to Citizens

Taxes may be paid in the following ways:

i) Citizens remitting their taxes in US dollars may send a check, money order or equivalent form of payment made payable to NOVA ROMA by mail to this address:

Nova Roma
P.O.Box 1897
Wells, ME
U.S.A. 04090

NB:Those outside the US will need to obtain and send an International Money Order made out in U.S. dollars to the above address. Individual cheques in various currencies are unfortunately not acceptable to send by postal method as the checks are quickly devalued by the multiple bank charges to convert these to U.S. currency.

ii) Some Provincial Governors will choose to arrange a central point in their provincia to which their citizens may remit taxes so that the province will only need to make a single payment to the central treasury. Citizens are encouraged to contact their Governor to determine whether or not such an arrangement will be made. Provincial Governors who follow the practice may choose to retain one-half of the taxes collected in their Province for local use according to the local budgets they have prepared. This arrangement has the advantage of avoiding fees to have funds for local expenditures transmitted back to the Province.

iii) All citizens capable of so doing may remit their taxes through the PayPal service. there is a link on the Nova Roma website main page providing for this. www.novaroma.org You will see a small purple square displaying the words 'DONA DARE' and 'Give to Nova Roma via PayPal' . This is displayed beneath the main menu of the main page. For further information on PayPal please visit www.paypal.com


iv) Please contact the Consul or Consular Quaestor at the addresses below if you are a citizen residing in an area for which a tax rate has not been calculated, and one shall be issued to you.

PLEASE NOTE THIS IMPORTANT ITEM: All citizens should be sure to include their FULL Roman name with their tax payment. For those who are remitting for more than one citizen, ie Governors, a complete list of the FULL names of those citizens for whom taxes are being remitted is essential. Some Gentes have many Familiae and if one does not include his cognomen with his remittance, what could result potentially is the wrong citizen being credited for your tax payment. If possible please try to remember your citizen number, which is included in your profile in the Album Civium on the Nova Roma website. This would be an added help in ensuring you are properly credited.

Rates may differ from last year, and it some areas they are clearly less. They were recalculated using the Total Gross Domestic Products Per Capitae of 2005 ( Jan. 2006 update) of all the countries above, as per the prevailing Senatus Consultum above. Any rounding off in final calculations herein has been confined to the nearest 0.05. Future conversions to USD through PayPal or lending institutions are easily resolved by use of conversion factors for various currencies, and so more liberal rounding of tax fees was not pursued.

Additional Consulta influencing the language of this edict:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2002-06-01-results.html
Item IV
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2003-01-31-results.html
Item V


Any questions regarding taxation may be directed to myself: Trog99@... or Consular Quaestor C.Arminius Reccanellus
C_Arminius_Reccanellus@...

Many thanks to A. Tullia Scholastica NR Interpretor of Latin for making available the Latin components of this edict.
























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Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Quiritibus S.P.D.

Those governors wishing to be considered for prorogation by the Senate for another year are asked to write the Consuls at Consuls@... so we can ensure that you are on the list for such consideration.

Please be assured that the Feb. 1 deadline was not realistic for this year for a few reasons, and Governors may write in with their intentions until Feb. 15 2006 ce

Further, those who wish to apply for a position as Governor may write to the above address stating their intentions:

Prevailing legislation states that a Propraetor _must_ have assidui status (taypayer status).
Also... see http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-06-02-1.html Senatus Consultum on desired qualifications for a Governor.
Please note that the Senate's ruling is not achieved 'strictly' by these criteria in the above Senatus Consultum, in their selection processes regarding governors.

Issued officially on this day kalends February MMDCCLIX A.V.C. in the Consulship of G. Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia Strabo

valete........


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Tim Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
Salve "B"

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Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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I am looking for a roman reenacting group in arizona, if possible in
phoenix. I have researched different sites and found nothing. Thanks
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flavius leviticus <centorious@...> wrote: Save Amichi,CencoresPlease forgive my indiscretions.Thank you for your kind advice.May the Gods protect you.Vale,Appius Galerius Aurelianus,Semper Fidelis.

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Salve Pulville, et salvete omnes,

TOMMY HUGUELEY <tommyhugueley@...> writes:

> My name is Tiberius Octavius Pulvillus I have been trying to become a
> citizen of Rome for a while now about three weeks.

Your request was received on 14 January and has been reviewed and approved.
It was assigned to censorial scribe Metellus, who's had some difficulty
recently that has gotten him behind. I'll make sure your application is
processed today. Your provisional citizenship will be effective from the
date of your application.

> I think I need to take the
> citizenship test,but do not know how to go about it.I need you to explain
> the procees to me.

The test is normally taken near the end of the 90 day provisional citizenship.
No need for you to be concerned about it yet.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Q. Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem.

The calendar for the month of February appears thus:

Kal. Feb. H N
a.d. IV Non. Feb. A N Ater
a.d. III Non. Feb. B N
pr. Non. Feb. C F
Non. Feb. D N
a.d. VIII Id. Feb. E N Ater
a.d. VII Id. Feb. F N
a.d. VI Id. Feb. G N
a.d. V Id. Feb. H N
a.d. IV Id. Feb. A N
a.d. III Id. Feb. B N
pr. Id. Feb. C F
Id. Feb. D NP Religiosus
a.d. XVI Kal. Mar. E N Ater
a.d. XV Kal. Mar. F NP Religiosus
a.d. XIV Kal. Mar. G EN Religiosus
a.d. XIII Kal. Mar. H NP Religiosus
a.d. XII Kal. Mar. A C Religiosus
a.d. XI Kal. Mar. B C Religiosus
a.d. X Kal. Mar. C F Religiosus
a.d. IX Kal. Mar. D FP Religiosus
a.d. VIII Kal. Mar. E C
a.d. VII Kal. Mar. F NP
a.d. VI Kal. Mar. G N
a.d. V Kal. Mar. H C
a.d. IV Kal. Mar. A EN
a.d. III Kal. Mar. B NP
pr. Kal. Mar. C F

As always, I'll be happy to answer your questions, comments, concerns,
and such.

Valete Bene,

Q. Caecilius Metellus
Pontifex

Jacta alea est.

----- Original Message -----
From: David Kling
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] RESIGNATION OF POSITION AS EDITOR COMMENTARIORUM OF AQUILA


Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Marco Cassio Philippo salutem dicit

It is too bad that you feel it necessary to resign, but I understand what it
feels like to be frustrated. However, even though this is an after the fact
sort of thing you should have contacted myself or Pompeia Minucia Strabo.
As Consuls either of us, or both, could have come to a workable solution to
your frustration.

We are here to help.

I see no reason why you shouldn't have had access to the website to do your
job.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul

On 2/1/06, Phil Perez <senseiphil@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I regretfully tender my resignation as Editor Comentariorum of Nova Roma's
> Aquila. I take full responsibility for my failure in this task. I am
> obviously not up to the task as it is shaping up to be. From my experience
> in the last month, all I can say is that the "Aquila" should be renamed the
> "Phoenix" since it seems that whenever a new editor takes over he or she
> must re-invent it from the ashes of its former existence. This I refuse to
> do. I signed up to take over the helm of an "existing" and "established"
> entity, not just a "name" to work with. This must probably set a record for
> a resignation of a magistrate of Nova Roma this early in the year. I do so
> this early so that perhaps someone more "qualified" than I can take over
> this position. I do so with a heavy heart since I had so wanted to take it
> to new heights.
>
> I had intended to take this existing cybermedium into new regions with the
> new and inexpensive technologies that are now finally available such as
> short video and audio segments. Recently an award winning short film was
> made with...a cell phone! Anything from watching a Roman dish being prepared
> to a short tour of an archeological site or instructions on making simple
> adjustments and repairs to armor could have easily been done with the help
> of citizens in Nova Roma who could have provided such clips to the Aquila
> (as well as the traditional journalistic columns, articles, poems, short
> stories, horoscope, etc.). Short video interviews of citizens around the
> world was another aspect I wanted to pursue.
>
> In order to do this I first had to be able to know what I had to work
> with. I needed to actually access the website domain and find out what was
> available to work with. Just like an interior decorator must first see the
> space before he can redesign it, I had to see what was actually there to
> work with. As I previously stated, I did not foresee that before I could do
> this job I would have to "re-invent" the Aquila by establishing it from
> scratch. This is extremely counterproductive! I would have had to spend
> fruitless time going back and forth to the Senate for funds, approvals, etc.
> This should not have to happen with an existing publication/website. How can
> it ever grow or expand into new realms if it has to be reborn every time a
> new editor takes over. Just because things have always been done this way is
> no reason for it to continue this way, this is simply stupid!
>
> The former editor of Aquila recommended that I simply do it like he did.
> Go and write just about every article myself, collect those that others want
> to contribute and submit them to the man who has the access to the website
> and who apparently does not have the "authority" to share access to it with
> the new editor. Then simply tell him the order I would like them to appear
> in and just let him do the layout and that's that. This is being an editor?
> I'm sorry but that is not how I work. I have been given "responsibility" by
> the citizens of Nova Roma by virtue of an election to produce the Aquila. I
> cannot be "responsible" for a product without any "authority". "Authority"
> in this meduim is as simple as possessing the password to make changes and
> downloads in a website. This access has been impossible to obtain.
>
> For some inexplicable reason, no one will provide me with this
> information. I have spent the last month chasing my tail around trying to
> get the access to the website to be able to start my job as editor. All I
> have received in my attempts have been new names of people to contact, which
> have led me in a circle right back to where I started - nowhere. I think you
> have all experienced this sort of thing when calling a huge corporation like
> a phone company (or the new U.S. Post Office System) and getting only the
> computer menu which led you in a circle over an hour's time right back to
> where you started from, only totally frustrated by then from listening to
> muzak or a commercial about there services repeated endlessly.
>
> Who is accountable at Nova Roma for the Aquila if not the Editor, and if
> this is the case why can the editor not have access to the existing website
> that holds the Aquila? This is what has finally led me to the conclusion
> that it isn't worth doing - at least not for me. I had intended to wait
> until Friday to announce this but I have reached the limit of my patience
> with this. I have spent an entire month writing messages and accomplishing
> absolutely nothing!
>
> Valete,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus


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Oh so very true. Whats done is done.

In the future however.... if you or anyone encounters trouble, you should
connect with the right people to find a solution.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 2/1/06, Phil Perez <senseiphil@...> wrote:
>
> Jacta alea est.


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Salve Romans

Our Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo stated in part

"PLEASE NOTE THIS IMPORTANT ITEM: All citizens should be sure to
include their FULL Roman name with their tax payment." Â….

While the Consul and her Quaestor can and will collect taxes as they
see fit I would highly recommend that in addition to your Roman name
and citizen number you should include your macro national name and
province.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Salvete Muzafer33 omnesque,

I know that the "(P)Latini" (or "Lowlanders") called themselves so
to distinguish themselves from the "Albani" which, (from a root
of "alp" or "alb") were the "Highlanders". I do not know what their
name was before they moved into Italy. Do you happen to know?

Thanks
Bruno

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "muzafer33" <muzafer33@...> wrote:
>
> For different reasons, i am strongly interested in the origins of
the
> latins, especially in the origin of the so called "prisci latins".
As
> far as i know, they have come from the Danube region,
aproximattely at
> 1000 B.C . Howewer, i found no source mentioning more clearly from
> what area of the Danube they came... this is quite an important
> matter for discussing in Dacia now.
>
> Can anybody help me find some clear data about this ?
>
>
> Nicetas Dacicus, Colonia Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa
>

C. Equitius Cato G. Fabio Buteoni Modiano M. Philippo Cassio
quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salvete omnes.

After reading his resignation, consul, I am confused as to why you
might suggest that he do something that he has already done. Who owns
the website and why was the new editor not given control over it?
Again, I ask: WHO owns the website and refused to give the editor access?

Valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Oh so very true. Whats done is done.
>
> In the future however.... if you or anyone encounters trouble, you
should
> connect with the right people to find a solution.
>
> Vale:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On 2/1/06, Phil Perez <senseiphil@...> wrote:
> >
> > Jacta alea est.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Kalendis Februariis; haec dies nefastus publicus est.


"His [Numa Pompilius'] regulations, moreover, that tended to inspire
frugality and moderation in the life of the individual citizen and to
create a passion for justice, which preserves the harmony of the
State, were exceedingly numerous, some of them being comprehended in
written laws, and others not written down by embodied in custom and
long usage. To treat of all these would be a difficult task; but
mention of the two of them which have been most frequently cited will
suffice to give evidence of the rest. First, to the end that people
should be content with what they had and should not covet what
belonged to others, there was the law that appointed boundaries to
every man's possessions. For, having ordered every one to draw a line
around his own land and to place stones on the bounds, he consecrated
these stones to Jupiter Terminalis and ordained that all should
assemble at the place every year on a fixed day and offer sacrifices
to them; and he made the festival in honour of these gods of
boundaries among the most dignified of all. This festival the Romans
call Terminalia, from the boundaries, and the boundaries themselves,
by the change of one letter as compared with our language, they call
termines. He also enacted that, if any person demolished or displaced
these boundary stones he should be looked upon as devoted to the god,
to the end that anyone who wished might kill him a sacrilegious person
with impunity and without incurring any stain of guilt. He
established this law with reference not only to private possessions
but also to those belonging to the public; for he marked these also
with boundary stones, to the end that the gods of boundaries might
distinguish the lands of the Romans from those of their neighbours,
and the public lands from such as belonged to private persons.
Memorials of this custom are observed by the Romans down to our times,
purely as a religious form. For they look upon these boundary stones
as gods and sacrifice to them yearly, offering up no kind of animal
(for it is not lawful to stain these stones with blood), but cakes
made of cereals and other first-fruits of the earth. But they ought
still to observe the motive, as well, which led Numa to regard these
boundary stones as gods and content themselves with their own
possessions without appropriating those of others either by violence
or by fraud; whereas now there are some who, in disregard of what is
best and of the example of their ancestors, instead of distinguishing
that which is theirs from that which belongs to others, set as bounds
to their possessions, not the law, but their greed to possess
everything, — which is disgraceful behaviour. But we leave the
considerations of these matters to others." - Dionysius of
Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 2.74


"At the start of the month they say that Juno the Saviour (Sospita),
Neighbouring the Phrygian Mother, was honoured with new shrines.
If you ask where those temples, dedicated to the goddess
On the Kalends, are now, they are fallen with the lapse of time.
All the rest would have similarly fallen in ruins,
But for the far-sighted concern of our sacred Leader,
Under whose rule the shrines are untouched by age:
Not satisfied with mere men, he also serves the gods.
Pious one, you who build and repair the temples,
May there be mutual care between you and the gods!
May the gods grant you the length of years you grant them,
And may they stand on guard before your house!
On this day too the grove of Alernus is crowded,
Near where Tiber, from afar, meets the ocean waves.
At Numa's sanctuary, and the Thunderer's on the Capitol,
And on the summit of Jove's citadel, a sheep is sacrificed.
Often the sky, covered with cloud, rains heavily,
Or the earth is hidden under a blanket of snow." - Ovid, Fasti II

February is dedicated to the god Mars and to His mother, Iuno (as Iuno
Sospita). The name Februarius, the modern February, is probably
derived from the Latin word februum, religious purification, or from
februa, instruments of purification, or perhaps from the name of the
obscure Etruscan deity Februus. He originally belonged to the Sabine
people of the Apennines. The Etruscans were also very keen on him, but
he was borrowed by the conquering Romans who were looking for a decent
purifying God to help with the spring-cleaning. Most of the festival
days in February are days of solemn religious observance, dedicated to
honoring and propitiating the spirits of the ancestors. February is a
month in which particular reverence was shown to the spirits of
deceased ancestors. In a familiar cultural dichotomy in which both
death and life were celebrated, this was a month devoted to fertility,
both of men and women, and of the land. Many of the rites had vestiges
of agricultural overtones. It may be more than coincidence that the
dead, who were either buried or considered to be in the "underworld",
and the fruits of agriculture, both relate to the earth.


Valete bene,

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Ovid Februus
(http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/roman-mythology.php?deity=FEBRUUS)
and
(http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/roman-mythology.php?deity=FEBRUUS)

Suggesting that he should have contacted the consuls, and suggesting any
magistrate for that matter who is frustrated in the performance of their
duties to contact the consuls is nothing to be confused over. If our former
editor was having problems that he couldn't get resolved he should have
asked for help, and I am sure Pompeia Strabo and I could have figured out a
solution to his frustration quickly, and without much problem.

We were not informed of a problem, but hear about it the same time you did.

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 2/1/06, gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> C. Equitius Cato G. Fabio Buteoni Modiano M. Philippo Cassio
> quiritibusque S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> After reading his resignation, consul, I am confused as to why you
> might suggest that he do something that he has already done. Who owns
> the website and why was the new editor not given control over it?
> Again, I ask: WHO owns the website and refused to give the editor access?
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato


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---Salvete Omnes:

I am reposting a link I refer to below in this edictum, which was
incorrectly displayed:

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-06-02-i.html

I apologize for the inconvenience.

Vale
Pompeia
************************************************************



In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Pompeia Minucia Strabo
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> wrote:

>
> Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Those governors wishing to be considered for prorogation by the

Senate for another year are asked to write the Consuls at
Consuls@... so we can ensure that you are on the list for such
consideration.

>
> Please be assured that the Feb. 1 deadline was not realistic for

this year for a few reasons, and Governors may write in with their
intentions until Feb. 15 2006 ce

>
> Further, those who wish to apply for a position as Governor may

write to the above address stating their intentions:

>
> Prevailing legislation states that a Propraetor _must_ have

assidui status (taypayer status).

> Also... see http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-06-02-

1.html Senatus Consultum on desired qualifications for a Governor.

> Please note that the Senate's ruling is not achieved 'strictly'

by these criteria in the above Senatus Consultum, in their selection
processes regarding governors.

>
> Issued officially on this day kalends February MMDCCLIX A.V.C.

in the Consulship of G. Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia
Strabo

>
> valete........
>
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

C. Equitius Cato G. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Yes, I understand what you're saying, consul; however, I ask once
again: who exactly did this? Will there be any correction of this
situation, now that you actually know about it?

Vale et valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Suggesting that he should have contacted the consuls, and suggesting any
> magistrate for that matter who is frustrated in the performance of their
> duties to contact the consuls is nothing to be confused over. If
our former
> editor was having problems that he couldn't get resolved he should have
> asked for help, and I am sure Pompeia Strabo and I could have
figured out a
> solution to his frustration quickly, and without much problem.
>
> We were not informed of a problem, but hear about it the same time
you did.
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On 2/1/06, gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
> >
> > C. Equitius Cato G. Fabio Buteoni Modiano M. Philippo Cassio
> > quiritibusque S.P.D.
> >
> > Salvete omnes.
> >
> > After reading his resignation, consul, I am confused as to why you
> > might suggest that he do something that he has already done. Who owns
> > the website and why was the new editor not given control over it?
> > Again, I ask: WHO owns the website and refused to give the editor
access?
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

---Salvete Omnes:

I concur with the Senior Consul herein.

As much as I can empathize with some of the identified frustrations
of the resigned Editor, I cannot ameliorate a situation I know
nothing about.

And to any and all who are experiencing similar frustrations in
their work in NR as a magistrate, whether appointed or elected, I
also encourage you please, to first seek help in finding a
resolution to any factors that are making your work more difficult
than perhaps it need be. Quite often problems can be ironed out
much more easily than one might perceive in the heat of frustration
or disillusionment. As my Honoured Colleague has earlier conveyed,
the Consuls are happy to assist in this regard.

Bene valete
Pompeia Minucia Strabo




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...>
wrote:

>
> Suggesting that he should have contacted the consuls, and

suggesting any

> magistrate for that matter who is frustrated in the performance of

their

> duties to contact the consuls is nothing to be confused over. If

our former

> editor was having problems that he couldn't get resolved he should

have

> asked for help, and I am sure Pompeia Strabo and I could have

figured out a

> solution to his frustration quickly, and without much problem.
>
> We were not informed of a problem, but hear about it the same time

you did.

>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On 2/1/06, gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
> >
> > C. Equitius Cato G. Fabio Buteoni Modiano M. Philippo Cassio
> > quiritibusque S.P.D.
> >
> > Salvete omnes.
> >
> > After reading his resignation, consul, I am confused as to why

you

> > might suggest that he do something that he has already done.

Who owns

> > the website and why was the new editor not given control over it?
> > Again, I ask: WHO owns the website and refused to give the

editor access?

> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Avete omnes,

A link I thought of interest.

>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_sc/greece_archaeology
>

Here's the 1st paragraph of the story:

ATHENS, Greece - A well-preserved underground tomb belonging to a
prominent Roman-era family has been unearthed on the island of Crete,
archaeologists said Wednesday.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias, Diribitor et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/


http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/

--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

It seems a simple understanding. the Webmaster saw the editor position as a
content editor where as the resigning editor sought more control. It is
good to see volunteers step forward but it is all to common for
misunderstandings and hurt feelings.


Marcus Octavius Taurus

On 02/02/06, gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> C. Equitius Cato G. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibusque S.P.D.
>
> Salve et salvete.
>
> Yes, I understand what you're saying, consul; however, I ask once
> again: who exactly did this? Will there be any correction of this
> situation, now that you actually know about it?
>
> Vale et valete,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, David Kling <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
> >
> > Suggesting that he should have contacted the consuls, and suggesting any
> > magistrate for that matter who is frustrated in the performance of their
> > duties to contact the consuls is nothing to be confused over. If
> our former
> > editor was having problems that he couldn't get resolved he should have
> > asked for help, and I am sure Pompeia Strabo and I could have
> figured out a
> > solution to his frustration quickly, and without much problem.
> >
> > We were not informed of a problem, but hear about it the same time
> you did.
> >
> > Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> > On 2/1/06, gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > C. Equitius Cato G. Fabio Buteoni Modiano M. Philippo Cassio
> > > quiritibusque S.P.D.
> > >
> > > Salvete omnes.
> > >
> > > After reading his resignation, consul, I am confused as to why you
> > > might suggest that he do something that he has already done. Who owns
> > > the website and why was the new editor not given control over it?
> > > Again, I ask: WHO owns the website and refused to give the editor
> access?
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > Cato
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem IV Nonas Februarius; haec dies fastus aterque est.


"After the death of Numa Pompilius the senate, being once more in full
control of the commonwealth, resolved to abide by the same form of
government, and as the people did not adopt any contrary opinion, they
appointed some of the older senators to govern as interreges for a
definite number of days. These men, pursuant to the unanimous desire
of the people, chose as king Tullus Hostilius, whose descent was as
follows. From Medullia, a city which had been built by the Albans and
made a Roman colony by Romulus after he had taken it by capitulation,
a man of distinguished birth and great fortune, named Hostilius, had
removed to Rome and married a woman of the Sabine race, the daughter
of Hersilius, the same woman who had advised her country-women to go
as envoys to their fathers on behalf of their husbands at the time
when the Sabines were making war against the Romans, and was regarded
as the person chiefly responsible for the alliance then concluded by
the leaders of the two nations. This man, after taking part with
Romulus in many wars and performing mighty deeds in the battles with
the Sabines, died, leaving an only son, a young child at the time, and
was buried by the kings in the principal part of the Forum and
honoured with a monument and an inscription testifying to his valour.
His only son, having come to manhood and married a woman of
distinction, had by her Tullius Hostilius, a man of action, the same
who was now chosen king by a vote passed by the citizens concerning
him according to the laws; and the decision of the people was
confirmed by favourable omens from Heaven. The year in which he
assumed the sovereignty was the second of the twenty-seventh Olympiad,
the one in which Eurybates, an Athenian, won the prize in the
foot-race, Leostratus being archon at Athens. Tullus, immediately
upon his accession, gained the hearts of all the labouring class and
of the needy among the populace by performing an act of the most
splendid kind. It was this: The kings before him had possessed much
fertile land, especially reserved for them, from the revenues of which
they not only offered sacrifices to the gods, but also had abundant
provision for their private needs. This land Romulus had acquired in
war by dispossessing the former owners, and when he died childless,
Numa Pompilius, his successor, had enjoyed its use; it was no longer
the property of the state, but the inherited possession of the
successive kings. Tullus now permitted this land to be divided
equally among such of the Romans as had no allotment, declaring that
his own patrimony was sufficient both for the sacrifices and for his
personal expenditures. By this act of humanity he relieved the poor
among the citizens by freeing them from the necessity of labouring as
serfs on the estates of others. And, to the end that none might lack a
habitation either, he included within the city wall the hill called
the Caelian, where those Romans who were unprovided with dwellings
were allotted a sufficient amount of ground and built houses; and he
himself had his residence in this quarter. These, then, are the
memorable actions reported of this king so far as regards his civil
administration." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 3.1


Today is celebrated as Groundhog Day in the U.S. Punxsutawney Phil, a
groundhog, is the official arbiter of when winter will end; he
annually makes an appearance to forecast whether there are six more
weeks of winter or if spring is just around the corner. For more
information, see this website:

http://www.groundhog.org


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus

> After reading his resignation, consul, I am confused as to why you
> might suggest that he do something that he has already done. Who owns
> the website and why was the new editor not given control over it?
> Again, I ask: WHO owns the website and refused to give the editor access?

The owner of the server hosting novaroma.org received no requests for
access. I've searched my mailbox for 'senseiphil' and found absolutely
nothing.

Vale, Octavius.

--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

C. Equitius Cato T. Octavio Pio M. Cassio Philippo S.P.D.

Salve viri.

None? This is a little puzzling. Philippus Cassius, to whom did you
write in your attempts to access the "Aquila"?

Vale et valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> > After reading his resignation, consul, I am confused as to why you
> > might suggest that he do something that he has already done. Who owns
> > the website and why was the new editor not given control over it?
> > Again, I ask: WHO owns the website and refused to give the editor
access?
>
> The owner of the server hosting novaroma.org received no requests for
> access. I've searched my mailbox for 'senseiphil' and found absolutely
> nothing.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> hucke@...
> http://www.graveyards.com
>
> "The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
> voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887
>

Salve Cato,

None? This is a little puzzling. Philippus Cassius, to whom did you
write in your attempts to access the "Aquila"?

What's done is done. I made some mistakes myself, but I've had enough. This is my last posting on this topic - Sorry, I'm sick of it, its been going on for a month. Here is the list and dates:

1. Jan 8 My initial request was put to Tiberius Galerius Paulinus after he congratulated me and offered some good tips. His response: see Senator Audens about it since he was the outgoing editor. Here is where the bureaucratic run-around started.
2. Jan. 10 e-mailed Senator Audens through Nova Britannia's Yahoo group (I had not received any responses from him in quite a while via his regular e-mail address and I presumed it was not working;
3. Jan. 11 e-mailed Senator Audens again off-list to his regular e-mail address in response to his response about it (He seemed to be upset with me for not doing it off-list to start with);
4. Jan. 17 another e-mail back and forth to Senator Audens about it;
5. Jan 18 yet another e-mail to Senator Audens about my concerns;
6. Jan. 20 again;
7. Jan. 25 e-mailed Mr. Valenzano about it after finally finding out from Senator Audens that he (Mr. Valenzano) did the downloads and he would be able to help me out;
8. Jan. 25 sent an e-mail to Germanicus about it after being told by Mr. Valenzano that he (Mr. Valenzano) had no authority to share that information with me and only the website owner - Germanicus could provide me with it.
9. Jan. 28 yet another e-mail to Germanicus after he failed to address this issue in his response to me. (I have yet to receive one from him about it to date!)
10. Jan. 30 One last e-mail to Senator Audens making him aware (at his previous request) of my pending resignation if I chose that option.

Valete,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, Phil Perez wrote:

> 8. Jan. 25 sent an e-mail to Germanicus about it after being told by
> Mr. Valenzano that he (Mr. Valenzano) had no authority to share that
> information with me and only the website owner - Germanicus could
> provide me with it.
> 9. Jan. 28 yet another e-mail to Germanicus after he failed to address
> this issue in his response to me. (I have yet to receive one from
> him about it to date!)

As there are two prominent citizens with that cognomen, I suspect this may
be the source of the problem, and that you asked Flavius Vedius Germanicus
for access that he couldn't give. I've always preferred that people call
me "Octavius" to avoid this confusion.

Vale, M. Octavius Germanicus.

--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

Salve Octavius,

Well that solves that little mystery. I had no way to know this from the communication I received and since the "other" Germanicus is one of the founders of NR you can understand why I "assumed" he was the Germanicus in question. Again, a dollar short and a day too late.

M.C. Philippus

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Hucke
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: RESIGNATION OF POSITION AS EDITOR COMMENTARIORUM OF AQUILA


On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, Phil Perez wrote:

> 8. Jan. 25 sent an e-mail to Germanicus about it after being told by
> Mr. Valenzano that he (Mr. Valenzano) had no authority to share that
> information with me and only the website owner - Germanicus could
> provide me with it.
> 9. Jan. 28 yet another e-mail to Germanicus after he failed to address
> this issue in his response to me. (I have yet to receive one from
> him about it to date!)

As there are two prominent citizens with that cognomen, I suspect this may
be the source of the problem, and that you asked Flavius Vedius Germanicus
for access that he couldn't give. I've always preferred that people call
me "Octavius" to avoid this confusion.

Vale, M. Octavius Germanicus.

--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887


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> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Octauio Germanico quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> omnibus S.P.D.
>
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, Phil Perez wrote:
>
>> > 8. Jan. 25 sent an e-mail to Germanicus about it after being told by
>> > Mr. Valenzano that he (Mr. Valenzano) had no authority to share that
>> > information with me and only the website owner - Germanicus could
>> > provide me with it.
>> > 9. Jan. 28 yet another e-mail to Germanicus after he failed to address
>> > this issue in his response to me. (I have yet to receive one from
>> > him about it to date!)
>
> As there are two prominent citizens with that cognomen, I suspect this may
> be the source of the problem, and that you asked Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> for access that he couldn't give.
>
> ATS: Indeed, and there are many people in NRwith the same cognomen. As I
> note occasionally in the censorial cohors, we have more Caesars (and would-be
> Caesars) than Rome ever did. However, since cognomina ending in ­icus denote
> conquerors, we aren¹t allowing them any more, and are restricting cognomina in
> ­ianus to adoptees.
>
> However, here in NR, Flauius Vedius Germanicus is all but universally
> known by his nomen, Vedius, not his cognomen (an honor most often accorded to
> you, M. Octaui), so I¹m a bit surprised that anyone would confuse you (and you
> two aren¹t the only Germanici...not to mention that we get a good many
> requests for that name, too).
>
> I've always preferred that people call
> me "Octavius" to avoid this confusion.
>
> Vale, M. Octavius Germanicus.
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica

Rogatrix




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> Salue, Stephane Vlleri Venator Piperbarbe, et saluete, omnes!
>
>
> Avete Omnes,
>
> I wrote this 5 days after turning 18.
>
> ATS: And it¹s another wonderful poem, if on a rather painful subject. You
> are truly gifted. Would you care to send this one to Musarum, too?
>
> Fragment from a Battlefield
> 17 March 1975
>
> The waiting is
> The hardest part
> The not knowing
> The hanging time
>
> I look across
> The open field
> At long dark lines
> Of massing foes
>
> The air is thick
> With stink of fear
> But courage is
> To duty do
>
> The bugles blare
> Call to advance
> The foe gives voice
> An awful sound
>
> Shield comrades march
> To charge and fight
> No brave man I
> Nor a coward
>
> It comes to this
> No real glory
> To live or die
> With sword brothers
>
> =========================================
> In amicitia quod fides -
> Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
> Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias, Diribitor et Lictor
>
> Religio Septentrionalis - Poet
>
> Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
>
> http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
> http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
>
> --
> May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
> May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
> May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica

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Salvete Omnes,

I would clarify my position because my name appeared in the
following schedule. I'm the man called "Mr. Valenzano".
If you would further information about my role in this sad history,
please contact me.

About this sad history, I'm very sad of this misunderstanding
forcing a skilled citizen to resign. This is another terrible hole
of this organization.
What I ask is why the "wrong Germanicus" talked with Illustrus
Cassius Philippus about a matter where he isn't entitled to do it.
Maybe the "wrong Germanicus" should ask the apologies of Philippus
and we should ignore the resignation of the Editor and permit him to
continue his job as well as correct.

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
aka "Mr. Valenzano"





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Perez" <senseiphil@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve Cato,
>
> None? This is a little puzzling. Philippus Cassius, to whom did

you

> write in your attempts to access the "Aquila"?
>
> What's done is done. I made some mistakes myself, but I've had

enough. This is my last posting on this topic - Sorry, I'm sick of
it, its been going on for a month. Here is the list and dates:

>
> 1. Jan 8 My initial request was put to Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

after he congratulated me and offered some good tips. His response:
see Senator Audens about it since he was the outgoing editor. Here
is where the bureaucratic run-around started.

> 2. Jan. 10 e-mailed Senator Audens through Nova Britannia's Yahoo

group (I had not received any responses from him in quite a while
via his regular e-mail address and I presumed it was not working;

> 3. Jan. 11 e-mailed Senator Audens again off-list to his regular

e-mail address in response to his response about it (He seemed to be
upset with me for not doing it off-list to start with);

> 4. Jan. 17 another e-mail back and forth to Senator Audens about

it;

> 5. Jan 18 yet another e-mail to Senator Audens about my concerns;
> 6. Jan. 20 again;
> 7. Jan. 25 e-mailed Mr. Valenzano about it after finally finding

out from Senator Audens that he (Mr. Valenzano) did the downloads
and he would be able to help me out;

> 8. Jan. 25 sent an e-mail to Germanicus about it after being told

by Mr. Valenzano that he (Mr. Valenzano) had no authority to share
that information with me and only the website owner - Germanicus
could provide me with it.

> 9. Jan. 28 yet another e-mail to Germanicus after he failed to

address this issue in his response to me. (I have yet to receive one
from him about it to date!)

> 10. Jan. 30 One last e-mail to Senator Audens making him aware (at

his previous request) of my pending resignation if I chose that
option.

>
> Valete,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete Senatores,

I am forwarding an application for the Propraetorship sent by Gnaeus
Iulius Caesar:


Cn. Iulius Caesar Consulibus S.P.D.

I wish to be considered for the position of Propraetor of Canada
Occidentalis, given the fact that Quintus Suetonius Paulinus has
declared his intention to step down. I have as you will note also
copied Suetonius Paulinus on this.

My declaration of candidacy for Quaestor contains much information
that is relevant to the skill set necessary for a propraetor, and I
reproduce it here:

"I am 44 years old and I have held the office of Scriba Propraetoris
and am currently a Legate of my province. I am also Praefectus
Retarius in the Sodalitas Militarium and Praefectus Retarius in
Sodalitas Egressus. Additionally I was appointed to the role of
Praefectus for the Outreach Program of Sodalitas Egressus and
Dominus Praefectus of the GO ROMAN project. I also have served this
year as Accensus to the Consul Gaius Popillius Laenas. I have also
been involved in the drafting of laws and am also paterfamilias of a
fairly sizeable family in Nova Roma.
I served 11 years as a police officer and am currently a manager
within a Justice Department. As well as being a "front line" police
officer I was also responsible for preparing the report for a new
policing area, station, manpower and equipment, which involved
months of research required by central government. This required
budgetary analysis and fiscal projection.
Within my current role I am responsible for managing a specific
budget of over $1 million, and also am involved in the planning
process for another budget of well over $10 million. Procurement,
financial analysis, projection, fraud control and asset management
also fall under my purview, as well as the responsibility of meeting
a specific financial recovery target of over $2.5 million.
I work frequently with the offices of the Ombudsman and the Auditor
General. I am also involved in the drafting of statutes and
regulations, as well as the creation of business plans, policies and
procedures. I also am responsible for critical incident recovery
policy management and serve on an appeals tribunal in job re-
classification labour disputes. I have an educational background in
computer language design and am actively involved in the running of
two family businesses."
I am currently serving as Quaestor to the Curule Aedile, C. Equitius
Cato.
If appointed it would be my intention to pursue the hard efforts of
Suetonius Paulinus to increase the provincial citizen roll, and to
that end would actively promote the GO ROMAN project in my province,
as Paulinus has committed to do so. In addition I would seek to
strengthen links with the local reenactment Legion, and other local
classical groups. I have managed people to one degree or another for
24 years. Numerically I have at times been responsible for the
direct administration of approximately 150 staff and the minimum has
been 6. Over the last 5 years the average has been about 30. I also
have frequent responsibility for the control of additional staff in
order to implement and execute projects. I have taken numerous sup
[ervisory and management courses both within the police and in the
government. I am also repsonsible for the recruitment and training
of new staff and remedial training for existing staff, and was a
divisional trainer for my police force.
Salvete
Cn. Iulius Caesar


Cn. Iulius Caesar Consulibus S.P.D.
Just to clarify - in respect of the Senatus Consultum de
Propraetores I meet all the conditions.

My service dates http://novaroma.org/bin/cpoints?id=7228 are
incorrect due to a glitch that affected all provinces - Marinus
Censor is aware that the dates have set to the 1st January 2006 and
don't reflect the actual appointments. My Propraetor, Suetonius
Paulinus can confirm these and one edict can be found on the
provincial webpage

http://www.canadaoccidentalis.org/edictum19.html

The dates of my appointments are:

29th March 2004, appointed as Scriba Propraetoris to my Propraetor
and a provincial Lictor with responsibility for citizenship on 8th
April 2004.
Appointed to the position of Praefectus Retiarius in Sodalitas
Militarium
Appointed to the position of Praefectus Retiarius in Sodalitas
Egressus.
On the 3rd October 2004, became paterfamilias of the whole Gens
Iulia and his own familia, as the successor to the then
materfamilias Iulia Vopisca.
On the 18th November 2004, raised to the rank of Legatus for the
Columbia region of Canada Occidentalis Provincia.
On the 27th November 2004, appointed Praefectus of the ongoing
Sodalitas Egressus Outreach Program.
On the 10th January 2005, appointed Accensus to the Consul Gaius
Popillius Laenas.
On the 30th May 2005, appointed Dominus Praefectus of the Sodalitas
Egressus GO ROMAN! project
On the 9th December 2005, appointed Beneficarius of Sodalitas
Egressus.
On the 1st January 2006, assumed the office of Quaestor having
successfully stood for election

Valete

Caesar

Salve All
I , as Legate in Canada Occidentalis, whole heartedly support Cn. Iulius
Caesar, as our new Propraetor!..
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
Legate
Canada Occidentalis

----- Original Message -----
From: "Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Interest For Propraetor Of Canada Occidentalis - Gnaeus
Iulius Caesar


> Salvete Senatores,
>
> I am forwarding an application for the Propraetorship sent by Gnaeus
> Iulius Caesar:
>
>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar Consulibus S.P.D.
>
> I wish to be considered for the position of Propraetor of Canada
> Occidentalis, given the fact that Quintus Suetonius Paulinus has
> declared his intention to step down. I have as you will note also
> copied Suetonius Paulinus on this.
>
> My declaration of candidacy for Quaestor contains much information
> that is relevant to the skill set necessary for a propraetor, and I
> reproduce it here:
>
> "I am 44 years old and I have held the office of Scriba Propraetoris
> and am currently a Legate of my province. I am also Praefectus
> Retarius in the Sodalitas Militarium and Praefectus Retarius in
> Sodalitas Egressus. Additionally I was appointed to the role of
> Praefectus for the Outreach Program of Sodalitas Egressus and
> Dominus Praefectus of the GO ROMAN project. I also have served this
> year as Accensus to the Consul Gaius Popillius Laenas. I have also
> been involved in the drafting of laws and am also paterfamilias of a
> fairly sizeable family in Nova Roma.
> I served 11 years as a police officer and am currently a manager
> within a Justice Department. As well as being a "front line" police
> officer I was also responsible for preparing the report for a new
> policing area, station, manpower and equipment, which involved
> months of research required by central government. This required
> budgetary analysis and fiscal projection.
> Within my current role I am responsible for managing a specific
> budget of over $1 million, and also am involved in the planning
> process for another budget of well over $10 million. Procurement,
> financial analysis, projection, fraud control and asset management
> also fall under my purview, as well as the responsibility of meeting
> a specific financial recovery target of over $2.5 million.
> I work frequently with the offices of the Ombudsman and the Auditor
> General. I am also involved in the drafting of statutes and
> regulations, as well as the creation of business plans, policies and
> procedures. I also am responsible for critical incident recovery
> policy management and serve on an appeals tribunal in job re-
> classification labour disputes. I have an educational background in
> computer language design and am actively involved in the running of
> two family businesses."
> I am currently serving as Quaestor to the Curule Aedile, C. Equitius
> Cato.
> If appointed it would be my intention to pursue the hard efforts of
> Suetonius Paulinus to increase the provincial citizen roll, and to
> that end would actively promote the GO ROMAN project in my province,
> as Paulinus has committed to do so. In addition I would seek to
> strengthen links with the local reenactment Legion, and other local
> classical groups. I have managed people to one degree or another for
> 24 years. Numerically I have at times been responsible for the
> direct administration of approximately 150 staff and the minimum has
> been 6. Over the last 5 years the average has been about 30. I also
> have frequent responsibility for the control of additional staff in
> order to implement and execute projects. I have taken numerous sup
> [ervisory and management courses both within the police and in the
> government. I am also repsonsible for the recruitment and training
> of new staff and remedial training for existing staff, and was a
> divisional trainer for my police force.
> Salvete
> Cn. Iulius Caesar
>
>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar Consulibus S.P.D.
> Just to clarify - in respect of the Senatus Consultum de
> Propraetores I meet all the conditions.
>
> My service dates http://novaroma.org/bin/cpoints?id=7228 are
> incorrect due to a glitch that affected all provinces - Marinus
> Censor is aware that the dates have set to the 1st January 2006 and
> don't reflect the actual appointments. My Propraetor, Suetonius
> Paulinus can confirm these and one edict can be found on the
> provincial webpage
>
> http://www.canadaoccidentalis.org/edictum19.html
>
> The dates of my appointments are:
>
> 29th March 2004, appointed as Scriba Propraetoris to my Propraetor
> and a provincial Lictor with responsibility for citizenship on 8th
> April 2004.
> Appointed to the position of Praefectus Retiarius in Sodalitas
> Militarium
> Appointed to the position of Praefectus Retiarius in Sodalitas
> Egressus.
> On the 3rd October 2004, became paterfamilias of the whole Gens
> Iulia and his own familia, as the successor to the then
> materfamilias Iulia Vopisca.
> On the 18th November 2004, raised to the rank of Legatus for the
> Columbia region of Canada Occidentalis Provincia.
> On the 27th November 2004, appointed Praefectus of the ongoing
> Sodalitas Egressus Outreach Program.
> On the 10th January 2005, appointed Accensus to the Consul Gaius
> Popillius Laenas.
> On the 30th May 2005, appointed Dominus Praefectus of the Sodalitas
> Egressus GO ROMAN! project
> On the 9th December 2005, appointed Beneficarius of Sodalitas
> Egressus.
> On the 1st January 2006, assumed the office of Quaestor having
> successfully stood for election
>
> Valete
>
> Caesar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus, praesertim
Lee Ann S.P.D.

I am pasting a message from Praetor Ahenobarbus below; as often happens,
Yahoo has determined that mail from the moderators is actually spam.
Sometimes they find the real spam, too...

=============================================

From: Kristoffer From
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:15:00 +0100
To: Lee-Ann
Subject: Re: a couple of questions

Lee-Ann wrote:

> My name is Lee-Ann and I am a writer, not published yet but sure
> giving it a try.
>
> My current WIP, work in progress, is set in Rome 195 CE and I am
> looking for either a person, persons or a group who would be willing
> be answer all of my questions, and believe me some are more than
> likely to be stupid. The main character is a female gladiator...and I
> know that Emperor Severus allowed females until 200 CE.
>
> Mostly I would be looking for someone I can run "ideas" by to see if
> it was feasible, could be done, would have been done etc. I have done
> some research already and have some rough ideas but I would really
> appreciate having a professional to check things.
>
> The only thing I could offer in return would be acknowledgements in
> my book "when" I get published.
>
> I sent this to you personally because I don't want to annoy anyone.
> Actually I don't want to annoy you either. If this group is the wrong
> group, I apologize in advance.

Hi,

I'm thinking you've found the right spot. Among our members, we count
not a few historians, amateur as well as professional, all with a
genuine interest in Roman history.

Not only that, but there are one or two aspiring writers - as last
year's Certamen Petronianum, an international writing contest organized
by the Aediles - demonstrated. With Dr. Colleen McCullough and Prof.
Peter Wiseman as judges, the Certamen attracted a large number of writers.

http://www.novaroma.org/certamen/

Now, to get in touch with members of the list, you can either join
yourself and ask for interested, and I'm sure you'll get a response, or
if you prefer, I can forward your e-mail to the list.

As an incentive to get you to join yourself, as we are quite happy to
provide a gathering place for anyone interested in Rome, there are
numerous reenactors with more than their fair share of knowledge of
Roman-era combat.

Click this link to join:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/join

Or, if you prefer, I could send you an e-mail invite.

Vale, Kristoffer From/Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.



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And Praetor T.O.P.A. has modestly failed to note that he won said
contest...

You may also be interested in the gladiatorial section of the Legio XXIV
website at <http://www.legionxxiv.org/>, and in joining our Sodalitas
Militarium and/or our Sodalitas Munerum. The former deals with military
matters, but touches on gladiatorial ones, and the latter is devoted
entirely to gladiatorial ones (though I am not a member of the latter and
cannot speak authoritatively on it).

Vale, et ualete,

ATS


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> A. Tullia Scholastica Proconsuli Francisco Apulo Caesari quiritibusque omnibus
> s.p.d.
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I would clarify my position because my name appeared in the
> following schedule. I'm the man called "Mr. Valenzano".
> If you would further information about my role in this sad history,
> please contact me.
>
> About this sad history, I'm very sad of this misunderstanding
> forcing a skilled citizen to resign. This is another terrible hole
> of this organization.
> What I ask is why the "wrong Germanicus" talked with Illustrus
> Cassius Philippus about a matter where he isn't entitled to do it.
>
> ATS: From what I gather, Vedius didn¹t talk with M. Cassius Philippus AT
> ALL, but let him persist in the delusion that he, Vedius, was the person to
> whom such matters should be referred. Now, perhaps there is some good reason
> why he didn¹t answer Philippus¹ notes, but at present, it seems hard to find.
> This is no comedy, but there are plenty of errors all around. If Vedius had
> answered MCP, however briefly, the latter wouldn¹t have believed that he was
> being ignored by the most relevant party; if MCP had been aware that several
> citizens bear the cognomen Germanicus, and that at least two of them are quite
> prominent in their own ways, as well as distinguished by nomen, he also
> wouldn¹t have persisted in trying to contact someone who might be the wrong
> party, and wouldn¹t have become unbearably frustrated, as was certainly likely
> in this situation. Guys, it bears saying again: ³Evil communications corrupt
> good manners.²
>
> Maybe the "wrong Germanicus" should ask the apologies of Philippus
> and we should ignore the resignation of the Editor and permit him to
> continue his job as well as correct.
>
> ATS: I would definitely encourage my friend and student M. Cassius
> Philippus to reconsider. Obviously, he wasn¹t being ignored by the people who
> had the access he had to have; he was being ignored by someone who had no such
> power, but who should have graciously sent him a two-line e-mail saying in
> effect, Œhey, fella, you got the wrong guy. Here¹s the one you should have
> pinged.¹
>
> You haven¹t crossed the Rubicon, Phil, you crossed e-mails with the wrong
> guy.
>
> Calm down. You have some great ideas for the Aquila, and your graphics
> background would add another dimension to this publication. Think it
> o-o-o-o-o-ver.
>
>
> Valete
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> aka "Mr. Valenzano"
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Perez" <senseiphil@...>
> wrote:
>> >
>> > Salve Cato,
>> >
>> > None? This is a little puzzling. Philippus Cassius, to whom did
> you
>> > write in your attempts to access the "Aquila"?
>> >
>> > What's done is done. I made some mistakes myself, but I've had
> enough. This is my last posting on this topic - Sorry, I'm sick of
> it, its been going on for a month. Here is the list and dates:
>> >
>> > 1. Jan 8 My initial request was put to Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> after he congratulated me and offered some good tips. His response:
> see Senator Audens about it since he was the outgoing editor. Here
> is where the bureaucratic run-around started.
>> > 2. Jan. 10 e-mailed Senator Audens through Nova Britannia's Yahoo
> group (I had not received any responses from him in quite a while
> via his regular e-mail address and I presumed it was not working;
>> > 3. Jan. 11 e-mailed Senator Audens again off-list to his regular
> e-mail address in response to his response about it (He seemed to be
> upset with me for not doing it off-list to start with);
>> > 4. Jan. 17 another e-mail back and forth to Senator Audens about
> it;
>> > 5. Jan 18 yet another e-mail to Senator Audens about my concerns;
>> > 6. Jan. 20 again;
>> > 7. Jan. 25 e-mailed Mr. Valenzano about it after finally finding
> out from Senator Audens that he (Mr. Valenzano) did the downloads
> and he would be able to help me out;
>> > 8. Jan. 25 sent an e-mail to Germanicus about it after being told
> by Mr. Valenzano that he (Mr. Valenzano) had no authority to share
> that information with me and only the website owner - Germanicus
> could provide me with it.
>> > 9. Jan. 28 yet another e-mail to Germanicus after he failed to
> address this issue in his response to me. (I have yet to receive one
> from him about it to date!)
>> > 10. Jan. 30 One last e-mail to Senator Audens making him aware (at
> his previous request) of my pending resignation if I chose that
> option.
>> >
>> > Valete,
>> > Marcus Cassius Philippus
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Hi

Sure enough, the original email was classified as spam so I appreciate this email.

Could you let Kristoffer know that I've joined the group. I may be quiet for a bit. I want to read some messages, try and get a handle on all the names (which is one of my problems at the moment in the WIP as well)

Again, thanks and you'll all be hearing from me soon.





Lee-Ann
j_wife@...

Believe in yourself for if you don't, who will?


















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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Februarius; haec dies nefastus est.


"Many military exploits are related of him, but the greatest are those
which I shall now narrate, beginning with the war against the Albans.
The man responsible for the quarrel between the two cities and the
severing of their bond of kinship was an Alban named Cluilius, who had
been honoured with the chief magistracy; this man, vexed at the
prosperity of the Romans and unable to contain his envy, and being by
nature headstrong and somewhat inclined to madness, resolved to
involve the cities in war with each other. But not seeing how he
could persuade the Albans to permit him to lead an army against the
Romans without just and urgent reasons, he contrived a plan of the
following sort: he permitted the poorest and boldest of the Albans to
pillage the fields of the Romans, promising them immunity, and so
caused many to overrun the neighbouring territory in a series of
plundering raids, as they would now be pursuing without danger gains
from which they would never desist even under the constraint of fear.
In doing this he was following a very natural line of reasoning, as
the event bore witness. For he assumed that the Romans would not
submit to being plundered but would rush to arms, and he would thus
have an opportunity of accusing them to his people as the aggressors
in the war; and he also believed that the majority of the Albans,
envying the prosperity of their colony, would gladly listen to these
false accusations and would begin war against the Romans. And that is
just what happened. For when the worst elements of each city fell to
robbing and plundering each other and at last a Roman army made an
incursion into the territory of the Albans and killed or took prisoner
many of the bandits, Cluilius assembled the people and inveighed
against the Romans at great length, showed them many who were wounded,
produced the relations of those who had been seized or slain, and at
the same time added other circumstances of his own invention;
whereupon it was voted on his motion to send an embassy first of all
to demand satisfaction for what had happened, and then, if the Romans
refused it, to begin war against them." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
Roman Antiquities 3.2



"Trembling with fear, Arion said: `I don't plead for life,
But let me take up my lyre and play a little.'
They granted it, laughing at the delay. He took the wreath
That might have graced your tresses, Phoebus:
Put on his robe, twice-stained with Tyrian purple:
And, plucked by his thumb, the strings gave out their music,
Such a melody as the swan's mournful measures,
When the cruel shaft has transfixed its brow.
At once, he plunged, fully clothed into the waves:
The water, leaping, splashed the sky-blue stern.
Then (beyond belief) they say a dolphin
Yielded its back to the unaccustomed weight.
Sitting there, Arion gripped the lyre, and paid his fare
In song, soothing the ocean waves with his singing.
The gods see good deeds: Jupiter took the dolphin
And ordered its constellation to contain nine stars." - Ovid, Fasti
II: 3 February

"Then was there heard a most celestial sound
Of dainty music which did next ensue,
And, on the floating waters as enthroned,
Arion with his harp unto him drew
The ears and hearts of all that goodly crew;
Even when as yet the dolphin which him bore
Through the Aegean Seas from pirates' view,
Stood still, by him astonished at his love,
And all the raging seas for joy forgot to roar." - Edmund Spenser

Arion was a musician from the court of King Periander of Corinth;
sources indicate that the two may have also been lovers. Against
Periander's wishes, Arion decided to enter a musical contest in
Sicily. He won, and was returning home by ship with his prize, when
the sailors on the ship decided that they could put his winnings to
better use than he could. Afraid of the wrath of Periander, however,
they were reluctant to actually kill him; instead, they ordered him to
jump off the ship in the middle of the ocean. His last request was to
play his lyre before he leaped to a watery grave, and the sailors
allowed it.

Arion's playing was the most beautiful music ever heard on earth, in
heaven, or under the earth; it was so beautiful that it drew a school
of dolphins to the side of the ship, and they leapt and played in the
ship's wake. Upon finishing, Arion threw himself overboard --- only
to be picked up by a dolphin and carried, on its back, to safety. He
made it back to Corinth and Periander, the sailors' wickedness was
exposed (they were banished forever), and the dolphin was rewarded by
being placed among the celestial bodies by Iuppiter to mark its
kindness forever.

"Arion the Immortal" is also a character from DC Comics, but has
little or no relation to the Arion of the Greek story, as far as I know.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Ovid, Edmund Spenser

Cn. Lentulus quaestor & propraetor Quiritibus sal.:

I have totally finished the Hungarian translation of the 7th book of the Institutio Oratoria of Quintilian. I am very happy and proud: this work will be edited by one of the most prestigious Hungarian publisher. In the translation teachers from the university have participated and one or two students beyond me; the 12 books of the Institutio Oratoria will be compiled by Professor Tamas Adamik who is the most appreciated Hungarian scholar in the rhetorics, and he himself translates some of the 12 books.

Thank to those, who have been flurried so that I can finish this work. It was a bit delayed, but there was no problem, Professor Adamik had given me more time.

Now I can return to my quaestorial and propraetorial (and other) duties!

Valete!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
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Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Provincial Sacerdos
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae Tulliae Scholasticae Senior
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Salve Apollonius Cordus et salvete omnes!

My mistake,indeed.Thank you for the correction.
Your observation is actually very important because there is a problem that should be discussed.There are many persons who provide false information when they join Nova Roma and what these people do is send messages similar to the one that fuelled the entire discussion about 'path of glory'. i wonder why is this possible? Nova Roma site contains a detailed presentation of this organisation's aims. And now i ask you : higlighting the negative facts of history in the detriment of all the glorious and remarkable achivements is part of our goals?
I do not mind when i receive corrections.i am a student and i have all the respect for professors.I do not claim that i am perfect and i know that there are many things that i still have to learn. but why do i feel that right now i am invited to drink a cup of sweet and poisoned wine?


valete,
Iulia cytheris Aege



"A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:
A. Apollonius Juliae Cytheri omnibusque sal.

> I cannot agree neither with Apollonius Octavio...

Neither can I, because this person doesn't exist. The
words you disagree with were written by Sex. Octavius
Lepidus. I replied to him, quoting his words, and my
reply began with the greeting "A. Apollonius Sex.
Octavio omnibusque sal.", which means "Aulus
Apollonius [that's me] greets Sextus Octavius [that's
him] and everybody".



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Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus wrote:

> I have totally finished the Hungarian translation of the 7th book of
> the Institutio Oratoria of Quintilian. I am very happy and proud:
> this work will be edited by one of the most prestigious Hungarian
> publisher. In the translation teachers from the university have
> participated and one or two students beyond me; the 12 books of the
> Institutio Oratoria will be compiled by Professor Tamas Adamik who is
> the most appreciated Hungarian scholar in the rhetorics, and he
> himself translates some of the 12 books.

Salve, Gnaee Corneli Lentule.

Congratulations on finishing such a massive undertaking! Translating the
Roman authors is a great way to make Roman culture available to modern
people, which is really what Nova Roma is all about.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

SALVE AMICA !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Iulia Caesaris Cytheris Aege
<cytheris_aege@...> wrote:

i am a student and i have all the respect for professors.I do not
claim that i am perfect and i know that there are many things that i
still have to learn. but why do i feel that right now i am invited to
drink a cup of sweet and poisoned wine? >>>

No, amica. You are not invited to drink a cup of sweet and poisoned
wine. You are, as a lot of us, the good part of NR. Your sensibility,
your elegance and honest hard are the prove of your dedication and
exceptional roman attitude.
Don't forget, here, to the roman limes, an entire legion is near you.

With respect,
IVL SABINVS

Cn. Lentulus quaestor T. Octavio praetori suo sal.:

>>> Congratulations on finishing such a massive undertaking! Translating the Roman authors is a great way to make Roman culture available to modern people, which is really what Nova Roma is all about. <<<

Thank you very much, Praetor! There is another great way to make Roman culture available: with teaching Latin! :-)

Cura uti valeas!
LENTVLVS QVAESTOR


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SALVE CORNELI LENTULE !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

> I have totally finished the Hungarian translation of the 7th

book of the Institutio Oratoria of Quintilian. I am very happy and
proud: this work will be edited by one of the most prestigious
Hungarian publisher. In the translation teachers from the university
have participated and one or two students beyond me; the 12 books of
the Institutio Oratoria will be compiled by Professor Tamas Adamik
who is the most appreciated Hungarian scholar in the rhetorics, and
he himself translates some of the 12 books.

> Thank to those, who have been flurried so that I can finish this

work. It was a bit delayed, but there was no problem, Professor
Adamik had given me more time.

> Now I can return to my quaestorial and propraetorial (and other)

duties!>>>

Congratulations. I'm sure it was a hard work but with a lot of
satisfactions. It's a prove, in the same time, of your dedication
for the roman history and culture.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

> Cn. Cornelio Lentulo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus A. Tullia
> Scholastica S.P.D.
>
> Cn. Lentulus quaestor & propraetor Quiritibus sal.:
>
> I have totally finished the Hungarian translation of the 7th book of the
> Institutio Oratoria of Quintilian. I am very happy and proud: this work will
> be edited by one of the most prestigious Hungarian publisher.
>
> ATS: Macte uirtute!
>
> In the translation teachers from the university have participated and one or
> two students beyond me; the 12 books of the Institutio Oratoria will be
> compiled by Professor Tamas Adamik who is the most appreciated Hungarian
> scholar in the rhetorics, and he himself translates some of the 12 books.
>
> Thank to those, who have been flurried so that I can finish this work. It
> was a bit delayed, but there was no problem, Professor Adamik had given me
> more time.
>
> Now I can return to my quaestorial and propraetorial (and other) duties!
>
> ATS: Possisne totum situm interretialem uertere? (In Latinum, scilicet)
> ;-)
>
> Valete!
>
>
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
> Q U A E S T O R
> -------------------------------
> Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
> Provincial Sacerdos
> Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae Tulliae Scholasticae Senior
> Sodalis Sodalitatis Latinitatis
> Latinista, Classicus Philologus
>
>
> ---------------------------------

Vale, et ualete,

A. Tullia Scholastica



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> Hello, Lee Ann, et saluete, omnes!
>
> Hi
>
> Sure enough, the original email was classified as spam so I appreciate this
> email.
>
> ATS: I trust you¹re addressing me...
>
> Could you let Kristoffer know that I've joined the group.
>
> ATS: Kristoffer is generally better known as Titus Octavius Pius
> Ahenobarbus, or TOPA. We all take Roman names and use them in our
> correspondence with other citizens and the world at large. Which group did
> you mean? He posts here, and belongs here. He¹s a praetor, or judge, in our
> government, part of whose duties include moderating this list. I¹m one of his
> assistants, who also has that duty. Did you mean that you joined the Legio
> XXIV socii (affiliates) list, or the sodalitas munerum, or what? We¹d welcome
> you in the Sodalitas Musarum, which is our literary SIG.
>
> I may be quiet for a bit. I want to read some messages, try and get a handle
> on all the names (which is one of my problems at the moment in the WIP as
> well)
>
> ATS: Yes, this is a big list‹and over half of the members of the list, by
> definition, aren¹t members, or as we call ourselves, citizens, of Nova Roma,
> nor are all citizens members of this list‹which can get rather rough at times.
>
> Again, thanks and you'll all be hearing from me soon.
>
> ATS: We hope you will stick around and learn‹you¹ve come to a good place to
> learn about ancient Rome, though that is more a function of our SIG lists and
> our beginners¹ list, NewRoman, than is this one, which is the home of our
> rough and ready political life.
>
> Vale,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>
>
> Lee-Ann
> j_wife@...
>
> Believe in yourself for if you don't, who will?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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M. Hortensia Maior. G. Cornelio Lentulo spd;
Euge! many congratulations at finishing such a worthy
endeavor Lentule, I hope this leads many cives of Pannonia to enjoy
the Classics & study Latin, but then they would not need your
excellent translation! [ioculus est ].
I for my part take this seriously and am applying myself at
Magister Avitus' Spoken Latin course. I look forward to the day when I
speak to you in Latin!
bene valete
Marca Hortensia Maior

I have totally finished the Hungarian translation of the 7th book of
the

> > Institutio Oratoria of Quintilian. I am very happy and proud: this

work will

> > be edited by one of the most prestigious Hungarian publisher.
> >
> >

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est pridie Nonas Februarius; haec dies nefastus est.

"Upon the arrival of the ambassadors at Rome, Tullius, suspecting that
they had come to demand satisfaction, resolved to anticipate them in
doing this, since he wished to turn upon the Albans the blame for
breaking the compact between them and their colony. For there existed
a treaty between the two cities which had been made in the reign of
Romulus, wherein, among other articles, it was stipulated that neither
of them should begin a war, but if either complained of any injury
whatsoever, that city would demand satisfaction from the city which
had done the injury, and failing to obtain it, should then make war as
a matter of necessity, the treaty being looked upon as already broken.
Tullius, therefore, taking care that the Romans should not be the
first called upon to give satisfaction and, by refusing it, become
guilty in the eyes of the Albans, ordered the most distinguished of
his friends to entertain the ambassadors of the Albans with every
courtesy and to detain them inside their homes while he himself,
pretending to be occupied with some necessary business, put off their
audience. The following night he sent to Alba some Romans of
distinction, duly instructed as to the course they should pursue,
together with the fetiales, to demand satisfaction from the Albans for
the injuries the Romans had received. These, having performed their
journey before sunrise, found Cluilius in the market-place at the time
when the early morning crowd was gathered there. And having set forth
the injuries which the Romans had received at the hands of the Albans,
they demanded that he should act in conformity with the compact
between the cities. But Cluilius, alleging that the Albans had been
first in sending envoys to Rome to demand satisfaction and had not
even been vouchsafed an answer, ordered the Romans to depart, on the
ground that they had violated the terms of the treaty, and declared
war against them. The chief of the embassy, however, as he was
departing, demanded from Cluilius an answer to just this one question,
namely, whether he admitted that those were violating the treaty who,
being the first called upon to give satisfaction, had refused to
comply with any part of their obligation. And when Cluilius said he
did, he exclaimed: 'Well, then, I call the gods, whom we made
witnesses of our treaty, to witness that the Romans, having been the
first to be refused satisfaction, will be undertaking a just war
against the violators of that treaty, and that it is you Albans who
have avoided giving satisfaction, as the events themselves show. For
you, being the first called upon for satisfaction, have refused it and
you have been the first to declare war against us. Look, therefore,
for vengeance to come upon you ere long with the sword.' Tullius,
having learned of all this from the ambassadors upon their return to
Rome, then ordered the Albans to be brought before him and to state
the reasons for their coming; and when they had delivered the message
entrusted to them by Cluilius and were threatening war in case they
did not obtain satisfaction, he replied: 'I have anticipated you in
doing this, and having obtained nothing that the treaty directs, I
declare against the Albans the war that is both necessary and just.'"
- Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.2


February is dedicated to the god Mars and Iuno in her aspect as Iuno
Sospita. Mars was initially a god of springtime and fertility before
he was a god of war. The first god Romans (and Italians) recognised as
the chief of all the divinities, he was associated with Iuppiter (who
later became top god) and Quirinus. These three shared an ancient
sanctuary housed in the Regia in the Roman forum.

Although often associated with the Greek Ares, Mars is separate. Not a
bellacose bringer of war like Ares, Mars is instead the protector of
the Roman people, in agriculture as well as in war. Additionally, in
the Roman tradition Mars was conceived by the Queen of Heaven alone.
According to Ovid Mars was conceived by Iuno via a flower with fertile
properties which the goddess Flora obtained for her.

He was the protector of agriculture who lived in forests and
mountains. The first month of the Roman calendar, Martius, which
originally began on the vernal equinox, honored the god and marked the
annual return of life to the Earth, as this was the season for
planting crops. For a time Mars was both an agricultural and military
deity, thus symbolizing the duality of the Roman citizen as both
farmer and soldier. Eventually, Mars transferred his agricultural
duties to Ceres and Liber, and his chief concern became that of
protecting the Roman state in time of war, much as among mortals the
defense of the state passed out of the hands of a militia --
temporarily raised from the agrarian citizenry to meet an immediate
threat -- and instead became the responsibility of a huge standing
army of professional soldiers. As god of war Mars was accompanied by
the goddess Bellona.

The sacrarium of Mars stood on the Palatine Hill in the Roma Quadrata
of Romulus, and this is where his sacred spears and shields, the
symbolic armory of the Roman state, were kept. At first there was only
one shield, dropped from the sky by Mars to the second Roman king Numa
Pompilius as a token of his benevolence, but in order to insure
against theft or destruction, Numa had eleven identical shields made.
The twelve shields were then placed under the stewardship of the
Salii, a college of twelve priests created by Numa for that purpose.
The Salii ("jumpers"), who served both Quirinus and Mars, derived
their name from the procession through the streets of the city which
they completed by jumping the entire way and singing the Carmen
Saliare. Primitively the rites of the Salii were intended to protect
the growth of plants. Mars' own priest was called the flamen
Martialis. In the Regia on the Forum Romanum, the hastae Martiae
("lances of Mars") were kept. When these lances moved, it was seen as
a portent of war. Whenever war broke out, it was the consul's
ceremonial duty to shake the sacred spears and shout "Mars vigila!"
("Mars, wake up!").


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Mars (http://www.ancientsites.com)

A. Apollonius Juliae Cytheri omnibusque sal.

> Your observation is actually very
> important because there is a problem that should be
> discussed.There are many persons who provide false
> information when they join Nova Roma and what these
> people do is send messages similar to the one that
> fuelled the entire discussion about 'path of glory'.
> i wonder why is this possible? Nova Roma site
> contains a detailed presentation of this
> organisation's aims. And now i ask you : higlighting
> the negative facts of history in the detriment of
> all the glorious and remarkable achivements is part
> of our goals?

I'm not sure what you mean by "persons who provide
false information when they join Nova Roma" - do you
mean that these people give false information on their
applications to join Nova Roma, for example false
names, false addresses, false dates of birth?

If this is what you're concerned about, it's a very
reasonable worry. There is, to be honest, not very
much we can do about people giving false information
like this. Information which is obviously false can be
detected by the censorial office, and these
applications are rejected. But the censores and their
assistants have no way to know whether a person who
says his name is "John Smith" really is called John
Smith or not.

However, it's important to say that it is an offence
under our laws to provide such false information, and
if a person is discovered to have lied on his
application form he can be punished (lex Salicia
poenalis article XVI). But I don't think there is any
reason to believe that Sex. Octavius Lepidus lied on
his application form.

Now, you go on to say that these people "send messages
similar to the one that fuelled the entire discussion
about 'path of glory'". I honestly don't understand
the connection between providing false information and
sending messages like the one we're talking about.
Could you explain?

You seem to be criticising what Sex. Octavius said,
and suggesting that it was "highlighting the negative
facts of history". I must say that I don't see a
problem with what he said. As I understood his words,
what he was saying is this: 'In ancient times, famous
Romans achieved glory by leading armies to victory in
battle. Today there are few of us who have the
opportunity to lead armies into battle, and in any
case warfare is not seen as glorious today in the same
way that it was in antiquity. So what can we do now to
achieve glory?' I don't think his words implied any
praise for warfare, and certainly not any suggestion
that we should use warfare to achieve glory. He was
merely exploring the differences between ancient Rome
and the modern world. That is, surely, a very
reasonable thing to talk about.

It's true that the conversation which followed from
his message was different from what he seems to have
intended. Some people said some things about warfare
which you and I may disagree with. But that is not his
fault: what he himself said is, I think, entirely
sensible.

You ask whether "highlighting the negative facts of
history in the detriment of all the glorious and
remarkable achievements is part of our goals". I don't
think it is part of our goals, but that doesn't mean
that it should not be allowed. We claim to be the
restorers of ancient Roman civilization. So people are
entitled, I think, to point out that Roman
civilization was not all good. Roman history is our
history, and we must face up to our history. You're
right to say that we should emphasise "all the
glorious and remarkable achievements" of Roman
history, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore
the bad things. What Sex. Octavius said is true:
ancient Roman culture was in some ways very
militaristic, and ancient Romans thought of warfare as
a glorious thing. We claim to be the heirs of ancient
Rome, and yet we explicitly disclaim warfare. This is
an important tension, and I cannot see anything wrong
with pointing it out as Sex. Octavius did.

Finally, you say:

> I do not mind when i receive
> corrections.i am a student and i have all the
> respect for professors.I do not claim that i am
> perfect and i know that there are many things that i
> still have to learn. but why do i feel that right
> now i am invited to drink a cup of sweet and
> poisoned wine?

I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean.
Perhaps it's because I am not a very poetic soul and
I'm not very good at metaphors. What is this poisoned
cup, and who is asking you to drink it?



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i am afraid that i did not express my ideas clearly enough.i
was not reffering to our fellow citizen, but to the so called
dacian. of course that everyone is entitled to have an opinion. what
somehow disturbed me is the fact that i noticed a reluctant tendency
towards my words.i truely belived that i am roman and that most
people here share the same feeling.it causes distress to be given as
a negative example when it was not the case. with all the respect
for your knowledge and teaching skills, was my mistake so much worse
that what Nicetus affirmed?
as for the false identity issues, again, i was not
reffering to Sex. Octavius and i am not criticizing what he said
about the military aspects. seeds of discordia are planted by people
who do not actually belong to any province and who come up with
affirmations which might turn out to be offending.you have my name
and my address and if i make such affirmations i take full
resposibility for what i say.this should be valid for absolutely all
citizens.
i want to make it very clear that i have absolutely nothing
against Sex. Octavius. i invite him to respond my email and continue
the discussion about all the possible interpretations of the concept
of "glory".
i cannot help it being a poetic soul. and i must thank
Apollo for such a gift.as for my metaphor...i could but explain it
by means of more and more metaphores.i'd rather not. there are more
important matters concerning the wellfare of this organisation that
are to be discussed.


de bene omnibus nobis,
Iulia Caesaris Cytheris Aege


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:

>
> A. Apollonius Juliae Cytheri omnibusque sal.
>
> > Your observation is actually very
> > important because there is a problem that should be
> > discussed.There are many persons who provide false
> > information when they join Nova Roma and what these
> > people do is send messages similar to the one that
> > fuelled the entire discussion about 'path of glory'.
> > i wonder why is this possible? Nova Roma site
> > contains a detailed presentation of this
> > organisation's aims. And now i ask you : higlighting
> > the negative facts of history in the detriment of
> > all the glorious and remarkable achivements is part
> > of our goals?
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "persons who provide
> false information when they join Nova Roma" - do you
> mean that these people give false information on their
> applications to join Nova Roma, for example false
> names, false addresses, false dates of birth?
>
> If this is what you're concerned about, it's a very
> reasonable worry. There is, to be honest, not very
> much we can do about people giving false information
> like this. Information which is obviously false can be
> detected by the censorial office, and these
> applications are rejected. But the censores and their
> assistants have no way to know whether a person who
> says his name is "John Smith" really is called John
> Smith or not.
>
> However, it's important to say that it is an offence
> under our laws to provide such false information, and
> if a person is discovered to have lied on his
> application form he can be punished (lex Salicia
> poenalis article XVI). But I don't think there is any
> reason to believe that Sex. Octavius Lepidus lied on
> his application form.
>
> Now, you go on to say that these people "send messages
> similar to the one that fuelled the entire discussion
> about 'path of glory'". I honestly don't understand
> the connection between providing false information and
> sending messages like the one we're talking about.
> Could you explain?
>
> You seem to be criticising what Sex. Octavius said,
> and suggesting that it was "highlighting the negative
> facts of history". I must say that I don't see a
> problem with what he said. As I understood his words,
> what he was saying is this: 'In ancient times, famous
> Romans achieved glory by leading armies to victory in
> battle. Today there are few of us who have the
> opportunity to lead armies into battle, and in any
> case warfare is not seen as glorious today in the same
> way that it was in antiquity. So what can we do now to
> achieve glory?' I don't think his words implied any
> praise for warfare, and certainly not any suggestion
> that we should use warfare to achieve glory. He was
> merely exploring the differences between ancient Rome
> and the modern world. That is, surely, a very
> reasonable thing to talk about.
>
> It's true that the conversation which followed from
> his message was different from what he seems to have
> intended. Some people said some things about warfare
> which you and I may disagree with. But that is not his
> fault: what he himself said is, I think, entirely
> sensible.
>
> You ask whether "highlighting the negative facts of
> history in the detriment of all the glorious and
> remarkable achievements is part of our goals". I don't
> think it is part of our goals, but that doesn't mean
> that it should not be allowed. We claim to be the
> restorers of ancient Roman civilization. So people are
> entitled, I think, to point out that Roman
> civilization was not all good. Roman history is our
> history, and we must face up to our history. You're
> right to say that we should emphasise "all the
> glorious and remarkable achievements" of Roman
> history, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore
> the bad things. What Sex. Octavius said is true:
> ancient Roman culture was in some ways very
> militaristic, and ancient Romans thought of warfare as
> a glorious thing. We claim to be the heirs of ancient
> Rome, and yet we explicitly disclaim warfare. This is
> an important tension, and I cannot see anything wrong
> with pointing it out as Sex. Octavius did.
>
> Finally, you say:
>
> > I do not mind when i receive
> > corrections.i am a student and i have all the
> > respect for professors.I do not claim that i am
> > perfect and i know that there are many things that i
> > still have to learn. but why do i feel that right
> > now i am invited to drink a cup of sweet and
> > poisoned wine?
>
> I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean.
> Perhaps it's because I am not a very poetic soul and
> I'm not very good at metaphors. What is this poisoned
> cup, and who is asking you to drink it?
>
>
>
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Praetorian Edict V

We, the Praetors of Nova Roma, do hereby define the guidelines for
appropriate usage of Nova Roma's public communication fora. These
guidelines are based on those previously issued by our predecessors.
However, as Praetors of Nova Roma, we reserve the right to change
them at any time. Any corrections or other Forum-related matters
including complaints should be sent to us at praetors@....

I. The Nova Roma main forum (herein referred to as 'the forum') is
set up so that replies are automatically sent to the entire forum.

Please keep this in mind when you are replying. You are not issuing a
private email. If your reply is intended for only one member, and
has no benefit to the rest of the list subscribers, send it privately
instead.

II. Topics of Discussion. The main focus of this list is Nova Roma
and Roma Antiqua

However, as members of a diverse international community we all have
lives and interests outside of Nova Roma. It is perfectly acceptable
to discuss non-Roman topics here, though keep in mind that not
everyone may share your interest in these topics.

As a courtesy to others. please place this notice, [OFF TOPIC] in the
subject field on all posts that do not have a direct application to
Nova Roma and Roma Antiqua. The main reason for asking this is that
Nova Roman magistrates see a LARGE amount of posts and if they
can put some aside as not of immediate importance they can do their
job better. If at any time the Praetors or their representatives ask
for an off topic thread to be terminated, further postings may lead
to moderation.

III. Posts that merely voice agreement with a previous post without
expanding on an issue in any way are discouraged.

IV. TRIM your posts. When replying to a thread, snip unnecessary
sections of the original post for brevity, and indicate where you
have done so by printing <snipped> at the appropriate place. Correct
usage of snipping prevents large posts that can quickly fill
subscribers' mailboxes.

V. If you feel you must dispute or criticize another person's post,
consider doing so in private. Sometimes a person makes a genuine
mistake, and your gentle correction via private email will have far
more effect than embarrassing them in the forum over what may have
been an innocent error. We know that during political debates,
private exchanges are impractical. Please use discretion in this
area.

VI. It is entirely appropriate to disagree publicly with another's
stated views or actions, including the actions of Nova Roma's
Magistrates, Senate or other appointed officials. Nova Roma is an
organization of individuals from a wide variety of nations,
religions, cultural backgrounds and political viewpoints, and it is
only reasonable that our views should differ. However, we urge you to
consider the following when expressing disagreement of opposing
viewpoints:

Express respect for the person and their entitlement to an opinion,
as well as faith in his or her good intentions. Point out the
specific areas in which you do not agree; generalized criticism is
often seen as an insult. Specific criticism can also help the person
you're responding to correct the error - this becomes very important
if you're writing to a magistrate. Quote the message number of the
post in which you base your account and opinions, or include
sufficient context from the post to which you're replying. In an
academic debate, endeavor to offer references to back up your
assertions. At all times maintain politeness in the expression of
your opinion and endeavor to respect the rights and opinions of
others.

Inappropriate behavior includes: The use of profane language;
misrepresentation of the truth for the purpose of making another
person look foolish; name-calling; criticizing a poster's personal
character as opposed to criticizing his ideas; making derogatory,
belittling, subjective statements about the Gods and Goddesses of
Rome or belittling deities of other religions (however, quoting from
a myth or historical material is allowed.)

Further, in the interests of protecting our younger citizens,
sexual references must be strictly within the context of an
historical discussion. Otherwise, they are to be made in private.
Advertisement of unsolicited goods and services (a.k.a. UCE or spam)
is not permitted in the Nova Roma Forum , unless the advertiser is a
member of Nova Roma's marketplace,the Macellum.

Macellum merchants are welcome to advertise from time
to time in a low-key fashion. Permitted forms of this include a
standard email signature (commonly defined by netiquette as a
four-line maximum), a one-time announcement of initial affiliation
with the Macellum, advertising in response to a post of inquiry made
in the forum, or an ad once per quarter advertising your presence in
the Macellum.

VII. If you feel that a post is inappropriate in any way, consider
mailing the individual concerned privately, explaining your rationale
for grievance and asking for clarification. You may also contact the
Praetors directly if you cannot resolve the issue privately.

VIII. During the time leading up to elections this list is one of the
forums where candidates express their views and present their
qualifications to the populace. All of the strictures governing
appropriate behavior previously mentioned shall remain in place and
apply to all candidates and their supporters.

IX. Please do not give out any personal information (i.e., address,
phone number, etc.) on the list. Remember that you're posting in a
public forum, and maintain due regard for your own safety and that of
others.

X. Due to high levels of spam and past incidents of posts from those
who wish to cause disruption on the list (trolls), we have a policy
of placing all new list members on Moderated Status until we are
satisfied that they are indeed here to celebrate aspects of Roma
Antiqua and Nova Roma, as opposed to being here for unjustifiable
reasons. This is unfortunate, but it has proved necessary.

XI. Language Policies: The forum of Roma Antiquita was a large venue,
with many people of different cultures and languages conversing.
Official information was in Latin, and in some cases Greek, but
people were free to speak informally in the language of their choice.
Our constitution mandates freedom of communication provided it is
not dangerous or disruptive. Currently, the Praetors can understand
Swedish and French apart from English and Latin, so messages in those
languages are welcome.

There are also a number of other languages for which translation help
can be obtained from the decuria of interpreters of Nova Roma.
Thanks to the decuria of interpreters and to several magistrates or
legates who are willing to assist with list moderation, 'informal'
communication in the forum is open to most main languages. Feel free
to post in English, Latin, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, French,
Hungarian , German, Russian and other Slavic languages, Norwegian,
Finnish, or Swedish. The Praetors have many to thank for efforts in
this regard.

However, if you do not want significant delays, please include an
English translation with your posts.

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follow the Lex Cornelia de Linguis Publicus,
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-02-27-ii.html which
stipulates, through comitial mandate, that any official government
legislation or priestly decrees must be issued in English or Latin
where applicable, so they can be translated verbatim into other
languages to be more easily understood by the entirety of the
populace.

XII: The Praetors have the imperium to govern the list, but prefer to
encourage positive interaction as opposed to punishing negative
behavior. In the case of a poster whose actions violate the above
guidelines, the following course of escalation shall be followed:

A private memo from the Praetors' office or a Scribal designate
describing the infraction, and a reminder to review the guidelines.

A second private memo as above. Placement of the poster on moderated
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or their designate before being transmitted to the list). The length
of moderation shall be determined by the number of offences in the
past, the severity of the violation, and the intent to violate. No
citizen shall be kept in moderated status for more than 2 (two)
months after their last infraction against these guidelines without a
firm sentence issued by a legal court as described by the Lex
Salicia Iudiciaria:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-11-24-iii.html

XIII: All previous forum guidelines are hereby repealed
This edict is effective immediately

Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Praetors

Given this the 4th day of February 2759 a v.c (2006 C.E.) at 7:15
pm Roman time

In the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia
Tiberia

---Salvete Cornelius Lentulus et Omnes:

My sincere congratulations on your accomplishments amice. I am very
happy for you, and proud to work with you in NR.

Valete
Pompeia Minucia Strabo


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

>
> Cn. Lentulus quaestor & propraetor Quiritibus sal.:
>
> I have totally finished the Hungarian translation of the 7th

book of the Institutio Oratoria of Quintilian. I am very happy and
proud: this work will be edited by one of the most prestigious
Hungarian publisher. In the translation teachers from the university
have participated and one or two students beyond me; the 12 books of
the Institutio Oratoria will be compiled by Professor Tamas Adamik
who is the most appreciated Hungarian scholar in the rhetorics, and
he himself translates some of the 12 books.

>
> Thank to those, who have been flurried so that I can finish this

work. It was a bit delayed, but there was no problem, Professor
Adamik had given me more time.

>
> Now I can return to my quaestorial and propraetorial (and other)

duties!

>
> Valete!
>
>
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
> Q U A E S T O R
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A. Apollonius Juliae Cytheri omnibusque sal.

Ah, I understand better now. Thank you for explaining.
I'm sorry if my original reply to you sounded
dismissive or unfriendly - I just wanted to make it
clear that I (Apollonius) was not the person who wrote
the words which you were objecting to.

I didn't mean to suggest that you had made a silly
mistake - it is very easy to get confused by the Latin
greetings at the beginnings of some people's messages,
and I quite understand why you though the person
talking was "Apollonius Octavio".

Perhaps the reason my response sounded unfriendly was
that I didn't actually make any comment on the
substance of what you were saying. That wasn't because
I didn't take your comments seriously, but just
because I didn't feel that I had anything useful to
add.

You're right that you're not the only person who's
made a mistake, and I didn't mean to single you out as
an example - it's just that you happened to make a
mistake which was about me! I don't normally correct
other people's Latin or point out other mistakes.
That's why I didn't correct Nicetus. The only reason I
corrected you was because your mistake had my name in
it. :)

As for this fellow who said he was a Dacian, I can
understand why you were bothered by his claim - I
would be surprised if someone whom I had never heard
of were to appear on this list claiming to be from
Britannia. You're right, it is important for people
who write here to make it clear who they are.

Again, I'm sorry if I seemed impolite or unreasonable
- it wasn't my intention.





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My apologies for my extended abscence, but personal events have
prevented me from pursuing a more active role in Nova Roma, which I
hope to rectify this year.

Decimus Iulius Caesar

Ave,

I'm a new member of Nova Roma. I have a lot to learn to about proper Roman etiquette (salutations etc.) so I hope that if I say something incorrect someone will point that out to me.

I live in Oregon and have not found any local Legio's to be a part of. I'm a member of the SCA and portray an early Greek/Roman persona. I fight heavy and am training my horse for equestrian events.

One of my main interests is the Roman cavalry and their training. As I mentioned, I have a lot to learn and I look forward to the opportunity to participate with the Nova Roma family.

Livia Tasia
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The Horse - nobility without conceit, friendship without envy, beauty without vanity, a willing servant, yet a slave to none. -- Unknown

Men on horseback have created most of the world's history. -- Unknown


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SALVE LIVIA TASIA !

Tasia <liviatasia@...> wrote: Ave,

I'm a new member of Nova Roma. I have a lot to learn to about proper Roman etiquette (salutations etc.) so I hope that if I say something incorrect someone will point that out to me.>>>
You are welcome. I have more than an year and I still learn. If you are interested in proper Roman etiquette, you can start from here :
http://www.novaroma.org/newcitizens/essential_latin.html


I live in Oregon and have not found any local Legio's to be a part of. I'm a member of the SCA and portray an early Greek/Roman persona. I fight heavy and am training my horse for equestrian events. >>>

I live in Dacia at thousands of miles distance from you. This is a prove about how a nice community can develop friendly conections between peoples from diferent areas of the world.
Even if my country isn't a SCA member, let me to salute you from Kingdom of Drachenwald.
About the local Legio, sure another nova roman, from your area, will introduce you.

One of my main interests is the Roman cavalry and their training. As I mentioned, I have a lot to learn and I look forward to the opportunity to participate with the Nova Roma family.>>>

Informations and debates are available in Militarium :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMilitarium/

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS










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Salve Ivl Sabinvs,

I wonder now where I read that 'Ave' was the greeting salutation - thanks for the link I will digest it thoroughly! And my thanks to the link for the Militarium!

Vale Bene,

Tasia


You are welcome. I have more than an year and I still learn. If you are interested in proper Roman etiquette, you can start from here :
http://www.novaroma.org/newcitizens/essential_latin.html


Informations and debates are available in Militarium :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMilitarium/

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

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Edictum Propraetore Canada Orientalis Vexellum et Emblem Geographicum.

This edictum herein proclaims the official flag of the Provincia Canada Orientalis, which may be viewed at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canada_Orientalis_NR


This edictum herein further proclaims the official emblem of Canada Orientalis Provincia, which maps the geography of the provincia. This also may be viewed at the above link.

Issued this 3 Feb. 2759 ab urb condita in the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus et Pompeia Minucia Strabo.

This edictum officially recognizes the work of Lucius Aurelius Severus Procurator Canada Orientalis Provincia et G. Octavia Inda of Lacus Magni Provincia.


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Salve Consul

I'm sorry, but for some reason I can not see the flag, or the geography of
the provincia, on the link you provided, is there a way I can see them?...
Are they on the Canada Orientlais website!?!... {:-\

Quintus Sertorius

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---Salve Sertori et Salvete Omnes:

Did you click on the link?

Seems to be working ok for me. Anyone else?

Pompeia





In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Guiboche" <nate@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Consul
>
> I'm sorry, but for some reason I can not see the flag, or the

geography of

> the provincia, on the link you provided, is there a way I can see

them?...

> Are they on the Canada Orientlais website!?!... {:-\
>
> Quintus Sertorius
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pompeia Minucia Strabo" <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...>
> To: <NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com>;
> <Canada_Orientalis_NR@yahoogroups.com>; <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:41 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PROPRAETORE CANADA ORIENTALIS

VEXELLUM et

> GEOGRAPHICUM
>
>
> > Edictum Propraetore Canada Orientalis Vexellum et Emblem

Geographicum.

> >
> > This edictum herein proclaims the official flag of the

Provincia Canada

> > Orientalis, which may be viewed at
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canada_Orientalis_NR
> >
> >
> > This edictum herein further proclaims the official emblem of

Canada

> > Orientalis Provincia, which maps the geography of the

provincia. This

> > also may be viewed at the above link.
> >
> > Issued this 3 Feb. 2759 ab urb condita in the consulship of

Gaius Fabius

> > Buteo Modianus et Pompeia Minucia Strabo.
> >
> > This edictum officially recognizes the work of Lucius Aurelius

Severus

> > Procurator Canada Orientalis Provincia et G. Octavia Inda of

Lacus Magni

> > Provincia.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> >
> >
>

Salve Council
I clicked... But for some reason it did not work as I am having yahoo
troubles.... Will there be another way to view them?!?... BTW It is good
to speak to you once more!!..
Vale
QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "pompeia_minucia_tiberia" <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:34 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: EDICTUM PROPRAETORE CANADA ORIENTALIS VEXELLUM et
GEOGRAPHICUM


> ---Salve Sertori et Salvete Omnes:
>
> Did you click on the link?
>
> Seems to be working ok for me. Anyone else?
>
> Pompeia
>
>
>
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Guiboche" <nate@...> wrote:
>>
>> Salve Consul
>>
>> I'm sorry, but for some reason I can not see the flag, or the
> geography of
>> the provincia, on the link you provided, is there a way I can see
> them?...
>> Are they on the Canada Orientlais website!?!... {:-\
>>
>> Quintus Sertorius
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pompeia Minucia Strabo" <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...>
>> To: <NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com>;
>> <Canada_Orientalis_NR@yahoogroups.com>; <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:41 PM
>> Subject: [Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PROPRAETORE CANADA ORIENTALIS
> VEXELLUM et
>> GEOGRAPHICUM
>>
>>
>> > Edictum Propraetore Canada Orientalis Vexellum et Emblem
> Geographicum.
>> >
>> > This edictum herein proclaims the official flag of the
> Provincia Canada
>> > Orientalis, which may be viewed at
>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canada_Orientalis_NR
>> >
>> >
>> > This edictum herein further proclaims the official emblem of
> Canada
>> > Orientalis Provincia, which maps the geography of the
> provincia. This
>> > also may be viewed at the above link.
>> >
>> > Issued this 3 Feb. 2759 ab urb condita in the consulship of
> Gaius Fabius
>> > Buteo Modianus et Pompeia Minucia Strabo.
>> >
>> > This edictum officially recognizes the work of Lucius Aurelius
> Severus
>> > Procurator Canada Orientalis Provincia et G. Octavia Inda of
> Lacus Magni
>> > Provincia.
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------
>> > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>
>

Salvete Consul Pompeia et Sertori,

The link works for me; nice flag! Quinte, too many more problems
with yahoo and we'll have to go back to the ancient ways and send
smoke signals!

Regards,

QSP




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> wrote:

>
> ---Salve Sertori et Salvete Omnes:
>
> Did you click on the link?
>
> Seems to be working ok for me. Anyone else?
>
> Pompeia
>
>
>
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Guiboche" <nate@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Consul
> >
> > I'm sorry, but for some reason I can not see the flag, or the
> geography of
> > the provincia, on the link you provided, is there a way I can

see

> them?...
> > Are they on the Canada Orientlais website!?!... {:-\
> >
> > Quintus Sertorius
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pompeia Minucia Strabo" <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@>
> > To: <NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com>;
> > <Canada_Orientalis_NR@yahoogroups.com>; <Nova-

Roma@yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:41 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PROPRAETORE CANADA ORIENTALIS
> VEXELLUM et
> > GEOGRAPHICUM
> >
> >
> > > Edictum Propraetore Canada Orientalis Vexellum et Emblem
> Geographicum.
> > >
> > > This edictum herein proclaims the official flag of the
> Provincia Canada
> > > Orientalis, which may be viewed at
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canada_Orientalis_NR
> > >
> > >
> > > This edictum herein further proclaims the official emblem of
> Canada
> > > Orientalis Provincia, which maps the geography of the
> provincia. This
> > > also may be viewed at the above link.
> > >
> > > Issued this 3 Feb. 2759 ab urb condita in the consulship of
> Gaius Fabius
> > > Buteo Modianus et Pompeia Minucia Strabo.
> > >
> > > This edictum officially recognizes the work of Lucius

Aurelius

> Severus
> > > Procurator Canada Orientalis Provincia et G. Octavia Inda of
> Lacus Magni
> > > Provincia.
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>