Salvete omnes,

I found an intersting article which sheds some light as to why some
followers have problems with this term and I got it from "About.Com"


Judeo-Christian tradition

Judeo-Christian tradition (also spelled Judaeo-Christian) is the
body of concepts and values held in common by Christianity and
Judaism.

Christianity emerged from Judaism in the first century of the common
era. Christians brought from Judaism its scriptures; fundamental
doctrines such as monotheism; the belief in a Messiah, a term that
is more commonly known as Christ (christos in Greek) and
means 'anointed one'; form of worship, including a priesthood,
concepts of sacred space and sacred time, the idea that worship here
on Earth is patterned after worship in Heaven, and the use of the
Psalms in community prayer.

Users of the term Judeo-Christian, pointing out that Christians and
Jews have many sacred texts and ethical standards in common, also
generally hold that Christians and Jews worship the same God.

The term was used in the United States of America in an attempt to
create a non-denominational religious consensus or civil religion
that by embracing Judaism avoids the appearance of anti-Semitism.
The original uses of the term have faded and now usually refers to a
general western religious background and the term is commonly used
by historians and academics as a shorthand for the predominant
religious influences upon Western culture.

Problems with the term

The phrase "Judeo-Christian" has been criticized for implying more
commonality than actually exists. In The Myth of the Judeo-Christian
Tradition, Jewish theologian-novelist Arthur A. Cohen questions the
theological appropriateness of the term and suggests that it was
essentially an invention of American politics. [1]

Judaism and Christianity have many areas of agreement, as well as
sharply defined ethical and religious systems that are in some areas
opposites. Generally neither Jews nor Christians want to have their
distinctive traits removed by an oversimplification. Opponents of
this term claim that the concept collapses these important
differences, and effects a modern appropriation of Jewish identity
to Christian values. They point to the traditional Christian claim
that Christianity is the logical progression of, and heir to,
Biblical Judaism, as precedent.

The term "Judeo-Christian" is seen by some to imply a rejection of
Islam, the third major monotheistic (Abrahamic) religion, though it
is related to both. The term "Judeo-Christian values" is commonly
used in the West, and many Muslim scholars view this term as
emblematic of a disconnect between Western-culture Christianity and
Islam. Attempts have been made to unite this split, followed closely
by attempts to discredit them. The term "Judeo-Christian-Islamic"
has been coined to describe the values shared by the common history
of the three religions. This term has been used, for example, by
Abrahamic faith gatherings held in various cities of the U.S., which
are designed to promote mutual understanding, and have drawn the
participation of Christians, Jews, and Muslims. This has been
ridiculed by the American Family Association [2], an activist
organization of the Christian right, as a movement promoted
by "Muslim special-interest groups" to make "radical Islamist
fundamentalism" appear mainstream and tolerant of Judaism and
Christianity. Though the AFA scoffs at the implication that "all
traditions are equally valid", cultural relativism is one of the key
concepts of modern anthropology. Columbia University professor Dick
Bulliet has an up-coming book about this topic called "Islamo-
Christian Civilization," due out in 2004.


qsp - I hope this helps a bit.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

M. Hortensia Sex. Pontio Pilato Barbato spd;
my apologies!
Try and imagine if a Muslim used the term "Christano-Muslim"...& you
would be thinking 'hey I don't believe in Muhammad, don't believe or
read the Qur'an, eat pork, -why's he including me?' (but you'd get
killed if you objected;-)
glad you're enjoying it; me too,
And I wish all my Christian friends in NR, a solemn Ash Wednesday
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

>
> It wasn't me who used the term 'Judaeo-Christian!! (though it may

well be a

> part of my vocabulary ...) However, I have been following this

thread

> closely, and am enjoying it very much: plenty of food for thought!
>
> Vale et valete optime.
>
> SPPB
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> Sent: 01 March 2006 02:25
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A few religious questions
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> M. Hortensia P Livio Trario spd;
> my fault for poor sentence structure.Islam came after
> Christianity. Warwick Ball makes the interesting point that the

Near

> East went easily over to Christianity and later to Islam as all
> these ideas were current and part of the syncretic mix..
>
> Today we worship the Baal Shaamin and his son, tomorrow Allah - no
> difference. No difference if I say the Jews worshipped the minor
> god 'El as their national god whilst in Ugarit Baal reigned

supreme.

>
>
> I am making the point about Christianity being the child of the
> syncretic Roman Near Eastern Empire as Barbatus used the ghastly
> expression "Judeao-Christian" over at the Latinitas list.
>
> There is no such thing. Jews then and today have nothing to do

with

> Christian ideas or beliefs; the son of god, eucharist, virgin
> births, original sin, trinitarian ideas,. To Jews, Christianity is
> an entirely separate and distinct religion.
>
> The Christian ministerial students I meet today are taught and
> respect this.
>
> To put this in perspective. All we have to do is look at the

disgust

> the conservative Judaeans had for Herod and his Idumaean birth.

They

> were a tribe forced to convert. The Judaeans had little truck for
> non-Jews. The tiny group of Jews who believed in Jesus had to turn
> to the gentiles and absorb their culture and practices.
>
> This is the reason Christians today do not ritually circumcize or
> follow Jewish laws from Leviticus or even observe the Sabbath.
> Obvious....
>
> bene vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
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EDICTUM CONSULARE

Establishment of Nova Roma Wiki

Ex Officio

This Edictum is issued in collaboration with Quintus Valerius
Callidus, Magister Aranearius.

I. A content managament and collaboration tool has been selected and
installed on the Nova Roma web site. This tool is MediaWiki, the same
software used by wikipedia.org. It is located at:

http://www.novaroma.org/wiki/

II. Most static content of the web site - that is, almost everything
except citizen profile pages - will be moved into the Wiki as time
permits. The Annales and Tabularium are high-priority projects.

III. The following citizens shall be WikiMagisters (Scribae),
possessing administrative accounts within the Wiki, maintaining user
accounts, creating and maintaining templates, creating and enforcing
style guidelines, and supervising edits of articles:

1. Quintus Valerius Callidus, Magister Aranearius.

2. Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Wiki Sysadmin and Bureaucrat.

3. Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus

4. Marcus Lucretius Agricola

IV. Any citizen who wishes to participate may do so by signing up for
a Wiki account and joining the mailing list NRWiki@yahoogroups.com.
Before making any major contributions, please announce on the mailing
list which articles you wish to work on, to avoid duplication of
effort.

Dated Kal. MARTIAS 10:15 AM Roman time, issued officially in the
consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia Strabo.

Salve

On 3/1/06, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> EDICTUM CONSULARE
>
> Establishment of Nova Roma Wiki
>
>
Lovely... can't wait to see the discussions when it will be to outline the
scopes of th association, or the role of the various magistrates in the
check and balance system and so on and so forth and the cries of censorship
when the "editors" (why we do *elect* a magister aerenarius when then a
Consul can *nominate* scribes to basically meddle with the website?) will
"supervise" the contents...

Not that it will not be healty, because it probably will eventually, but
somehow it doesn't sound right this way.

just my two cents,

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Cn. Lentulus A. Apollonio sal.:

>>> Without wishing to re-open the debate, amice, I would

just like to make two points on this. <<<

I, too, don't want to re-open the debate: God forbid! By the way, I cannot participate in long Engilsh debates beside my other duties ourside Nova Roma. Simply i don't have time to compose in English... This will be possible when I will know English better, to wich Nova Roma the best place if somebody wants to learn English :-)

>>> ...Secondly, I think you have misrepresented, or perhaps misunderstood, at least some of the criticism of the consul's action. Some of it, including mine, was based to a great extent on the unwritten, historical

constitution. It is in my view absolutely incorrect to
say that "according to this unwritten constitution
Consuls have all the power, the power to do anything
they think to be necessary for the betterment of the
State". <<<<

My source on Roman public law, a recognized book in Hungary, "Janos Zlinszky: Jus Publicum" says what I've said. He says that consuls have all the power to do anything except making law: "Praetor (consul etc.) jus facere non potest." Their edicta, however, are legal by any means as unique orders. If a consul reinstates an augur, it's legal, because with this act he didn't make law, this was just a special act. HOWEVER, which is quastionable is that what he did order whether it was expedient to the Republic or not. The question is not that whether it was legal or not: what a consul does within his imperium it's legal, even if it's against the mos majorum, the tradition, like reinstating augurs. The question is whether it was good, useful, salutary to the state or not. If the senate and the people think that it wasn't, he is condemnable after his consulate.

Zlinszky writes: "A magistrate cannot act unlawfully because he is the living voice of the law, he animates the law. What he does it's lawful act regarding the power of the state, because he was elected to act for the sake of the state. A magistrate can be impeached only if, when he hadn't followed the public norms concerning his acts done for the sake of the state, these acts damaged single citizens or the whole state." (translated from Hungarian by me)

>>> Specifically I do not think you will be able

to find any evidence whatsoever that a consul of the
ancient republic ever attempted to intervene in a
dispute about the membership of one of the priestly
collegia. <<<<

I think you are right in that point, I cannot recall such situation. But now we have a (failed) precedent :-)

>>> I have no doubt that the ancient consules had

no power to do, and would never have done, what C.
Buteo did. >>>

To make a law so that augurs can be appointed by consules surely did not have power. To reinstate an augur as a singular - not normative - act, they had: but never practiced, such as most things consuls could do they did not. This was just by convention, not by law. If a consul would break that convention, wouldn't break any law. We can see how lesser and lesser power was practiced by consules coming to the end of the Republic. Theoretically the consules had this same power even in the imperial period, and, theoretically, they could do anything that the Emperor. They did not. Simply because of a recent convention which was born in the beginning of the principate.

>>> nor is it correct to say, as you said

elsewhere in your message, that under the ancient
constitution a consul's edictum was law: a
magistrate's edictum was merely a statement of policy
and had no binding force in and of itself. <<<

Totally agreed. I didn't say that an edictum was law, it's misunderstood somehow...

I hope it's now clearer what I meant to say about the consular power.

Fac ut valeas!

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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Kalendis Martiis; haec dies nefastus publicus est.

"Come Mars, God of War, lay aside your shield and spear:
A moment, from your helmet, free your shining hair.
What has a poet to do with Mars, you might ask?
The month I sing of takes its name from you.
You see, yourself, fierce wars waged by Minerva:
Is she less free to practice the noble arts for that?
Take time to set aside you lance and follow Pallas'
Example: and find something to do while unarmed...
`If it's right for the secret promptings of the gods
To be heard by poets, as it's rumoured they may,
Tell me, Gradivus, Marching God, why women keep
Your feast, you who are apt to be served by men.'
So I spoke. And Mars answered, laying aside his helmet,
But keeping his throwing spear in his right hand:
Now am I, a god used to warfare, invoked
In pursuit of peace, and I'm carried into new camps,
And I don't dislike it: I like to take on this function,
Lest Minerva think that she alone can do so...
Mamurius carried out the task: whether he was superior
In his craft or his character it would be hard to say.
Gracious Numa said to him: `Ask a reward for your work,
You'll not ask in vain of one known for honesty.'
He'd already given the Salii, named from their leaping (saltus),
Weapons: and words to be sung to a certain tune.
Mamurius replied: `Give me glory as my prize,
And let my name be sounded at the song's end.'
So the priests grant the reward promised for his
Ancient work, and now call out `Mamurius'." - Ovid, Fasti III

"Ares, exceeding in strength, chariot-rider, golden- helmed, doughty
in heart, shield-bearer, Saviour of cities, harnessed in bronze,
strong of arm, unwearying, mighty with the spear, O defence of
Olympus, father of warlike Victory, ally of Themis, stern governor of
the rebellious, leader of righteous men, sceptred King of manliness,
who whirl your fiery sphere among the planets in their sevenfold
courses through the aether wherein your blazing steeds ever bear you
above the third firmament of heaven; hear me, helper of men, giver of
dauntless youth! Shed down a kindly ray from above upon my life, and
strength of war, that I may be able to drive away bitter cowardice
from my head and crush down the deceitful impulses of my soul.
Restrain also the keen fury of my heart which provokes me to tread the
ways of blood-curdling strife. Rather, O blessed one, give you me
boldness to abide within the harmless laws of peace, avoiding strife
and hatred and the violent fiends of death." - Homer, Ode to Ares II.1-17

The month of Martias is dedicated to the god of war, Mars, both in his
aspect as Mars Quirinus, the Protector of the Roman People and Mars
Gravidus, the leader of the Romans at war. Mars was the son of Iuno,
Iuppiter's wife. Iuppiter had given rise to the goddess Minerva by
birthing her through his head. Iuno was jealous of this event, and
asked the goddess Flora to help her in the task of creating a son.
Flora, the goddess of blossoming plants touched Juno with magical
herbs and created Mars in her womb.

Mars raped the vestal virgin Rhea Silvia while she slept, she gave
birth to twins called Romulus and Remus. Rhea was imprisoned because
of the sacred laws of her vows, and her sons were left in baskets on
the river. They were brought up by wolves and eventually founded Rome.
Mars was often depicted riding a two-horse chariot, with a spear and
a shield, both items with magical properties. His shield in particular
was an important object and symbol for the Romans, according to legend
one is said to have fallen from the sky to save the Romans during
battle. Sacred shields were kept in the temples of Mars and the one
alleged to have fallen from the sky was reserved for the Forum, where
it was said to guard Rome from attack.

Primarily Mars was invoked for battle and all things associated with
war. For obvious reasons he was a favorite among soldiers in the Roman
army.


"Girl if you'd marry, delay, however eager both are:
A little delay, at this time, is of great advantage.
Weapons excite to war, war's bad for those married:
The omens will be better when weapons are put away.
Now the girded wife of the peak-capped Flamen Dialis
Has to keep her hair free from the comb." - Ovid, Fasti III

Today is also the celebration of the Matronalia, a feast dedicated to
matrons and their special Protectress, Iuno in her aspect as Iuno
Lucina, the "light bringer". Iuno Lucina was an aspect of the goddess
Iuno associated with light and childbirth. Her name lucina probably
comes from the Latin lucus (grove). Livy records that the grove on the
Esquiline Hill in which a temple was dedicated to her in 375 B.C., is
the origin of her name.

By the second century B.C., Iuno Lucina was associated with childbirth
because the name lucina was thought to have come from the Latin word
lux (light). When a child was born it was said to have been "brought
to light." Women who worshiped Iuno Lucina had to untie knots and
unbraid their hair lest lest these entanglements symbolically block
delivery.

From the many reasons which Ovid gives why the festival was kept on
this day, it is evident that there was no certain tradition on the
subject; but the prevailing opinion seems to have been that it was
instituted in memory of the peace between the Romans and the Sabines,
which was brought about by means of the Sabine women. At this festival
wives used to receive presents from their husbands, and at a later
time girls from their lovers; mistresses also were accustomed to feast
their female slaves.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Homer, Matronalia
(http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Matronalia.html),Mars
(http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/gods&goddesses/mars.html), Iuno
Lucina
(http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Places/Europe/Italy/Lazio/Roma/Rome/_Texts/PLATOP*/Aedes_Junonis_Lucinae.html)
and (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_Lucina)

C. Equitius Cato P. Livio Triario quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Livius Triarius, you wrote:

"I would generally agree with your observations, O Gaius, but with the
reservation that the encroachment upon the dates and timings of pagan
observances was frequently for the purpose of compelling an either/or
choice -- many of the ancients calmly observing the rites of more than
one religion, a thing anathema to the early Christians."

True enough. Christianity in its temporal agenda differed little from
any other group which once having attained power, exercized that power
somewhat injudiciously. By "seamless", I meant that for the vast
majority of the uneducated population, the feast of Saturnalia became
Christmas &c...they would have hardly noticed the difference except
that ikons or statues of the Theotokos and Christ were marched around
before the fun began.

You also wrote:

"I should rather say that it usurps the universal human love for the
mother and child and tries to claim it exclusively as its own; but
this is an issue on which civil disagreement is possible."

We shall civilly disagree :-)


And finally, you wrote:

"I have the impression -- without having found any trustworthy
statistics to support it -- that the great majority of Christians
tolerantly indulge other beliefs in the expectation that if
there is truly but one God he must be so far beyond our full
comrehension that it it no great wonder that different people
apprehend God in different ways."

I could not agree more. The very essence of the Orthodox approach to
theology is precisely that: God in and of Himself is absolutely and
utterly beyond any possible human comprehension; Orthodoxy actually
describes God by defining what He is *not*, rather than trying to
define what He *is*. Of course, Christians also believe that this
totally incomprehensible God made Himself comprehensible in one
specific way: His incarnation as a human being in the Person of Jesus
Christ.

I remarked to another citizen in private that people will by necessity
believe what they *need* to believe in order to make sense out of
chaos and to gain peace in the midst of strife; we are by nature
ritual, order-seeking beings, yet we also look for the mysterious and
wonderful (or "awe-ful" in the word's original meaning). To try to
compel faith because you are "right" is as useful as gathering water
with a sieve. To try to rationalize or "de-mystify" another's faith
is precisely as useful. I don't need rationalizations, I need God. I
don't need technical explanations, I need the Mystery of faith.
Because I recognize that am in need of those things, I must respect
the way or ways in which other individuals express their need.

At the beginning of this season of introspection and repentence, I
wish for all my fellow-citizens that peace which the world cannot
give. May we all touch, and be touched by, the Divine.

"Remember, O Man, that thou art mortal; from dust thou camest and unto
dust thou shalt return. Ashes to ashes, and dust to dust."

Vale et valete,

Cato

Salve,

Ahumm... It's a Cuba Libre. Take it from a Cuban-American-Nova Roman amice. I do agree, only bottom shelf Rum should be used for it, never use the "good" stuff. Anything better than the "Captain" should be sipped by itself.

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] CUBA LIBRE


Severus Paulino omnibusque sal.

Just for the record, it's cuba libre, amice. I agree with your dad: only barbarians will mix soda pops with good quality spirits, which happen to be almost sacred...

Vale, et valete optime,

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Gratias ages, amice. Tu poenas pulchros scribis. (Thank you my friend. You write beautiful poems.)

Vires et Honos,
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Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:50 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] On warriorhood and other folks...


Valetudo quod fortuna omnes;

As I sit and think of some things in my life, my thoughts turn to my
time in military uniform, to the men and women with whom I served, to
the long line stretching back before the dawn of recorded history, to
my wife's service, to that of men in my family - those who returned
and those who remained forever on or near the field of battle.

These thoughts were brough to the fore by the recent passing of a
hero, CPT James M. Burt, USA (Ret.) July 18, 1917 - February 15, 2006

Captain Burt was awarded the Medal of Honor, by the United States, for
his action during the struggle over Aachen during the Battle of the
Bulge. He was also awarded 3 Purple Hearts for wounds received in
battle.

As a young cadet at Norwich, the Military College of Vermont, in the
fall of 1975, I had the chance to speak with him for a few minutes at
a reception following a VJ Day memorial service.

What he told me when I evinced my honor at meeting him was, basically,
that he did nothing special. He did his duty, as any man should.

Here is the link to his citation: http://www.medalofhonor.com/JamesBurt.htm

I am forever proud of having made his acquaintence.

Gods Bless and Keep Such men.

On Those Who Bore the Burden - 11 November 2001 CE

To those who have, the Burden borne
For Folk and Land, and Honor's sake
We give our thanks, on Holy Day
Remembrance of, the Duty done

In cold and rain, through coal black night
In heat and wind, neath furnace sun
The Warrior, is always there
To stand and watch, o'er Home and Hearth

When bugles blare, sounding the Charge
They go to fight, and perhaps, die
Beating back fear, and going forth
Tis duty done, tis duty done

And if they fall, in faring forth
They're laid to rest, by friend or foe
With solemn nod, and solemn word
And then, perhaps, with solemn Call

After Duty, is fairly done
They venture Home, to Kin embrace
Sometimes to cheers, sometimes quiet
This lessens not, their Honored Name

And in their work, after service
They still guard weal, by building lives
By building homes, and families
Continuing, continuing

We who live free, because of them
Who sacrificed, and bled, and wept
Who duty did, and honor gained
Recall their Deeds, recall their Names

To those who have, the Burden borne
For Folk and Land, and Honor's sake
We give our thanks, on Holy Day
Remembrance of, the Duty done

I also like to think of those many, many others, who stay at home,
making it possible for all of us to be there at the front...

To All Who Serve - 15 September 2001 CE

Warrior stands, twixt home and foe
The shining edge, of Tribal Might
Bearing the brunt, of duty's load
His blood and bone, is safety's ward

Under Land Bond, he Steading guards
Under Kin Oath, he Hearth defends
Wrecking vengeance, stopping attack
Community's fist, community's shield

Behind him stands, a long broad line
Seamstress, cobbler, armorer, smith
Farmer, baker, brewer and cook
Teamster, joiner, all Trades and Crafts

Without the Folk, no duty starts
Without the Folk, no arms to bear
Without the Folk, no meals to eat
Without the Folk, no shirts to don

Those who, do stay, within the garth
To build and sow, to sew and teach
Give to the edge, a purpose true
And welcome home, once strife is done

Each sword, does shield, a thousand folk
Some aware of, the Burden borne
By warriors, who do well serve,
But not alone, all work serves too

For without Folk, what is a man
But creature poor, and sore bereft
Of Clan and Hearth, of Homely things
Provided by, their efforts good

And so I say, to those who would
Take up the Sword, strap on the Shield
And find that no, Warband will take
Build up the Home, Build up the Folk

These precious things, made by your hands
Your toothsome foods and goodly drink
Your weapons bright and warwains strong
Give tools and might, to those who guard

For you who work, do serve Folk well
There is Honor, in scrape of rake
in hammer's swing, and steaming pot
In all these things, is Lifeworth, too

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A. Apollonius M. Cassio omnibusque sal.

> Gratias ages, amice. Tu poenas pulchros scribis.
> (Thank you my friend. You write beautiful poems.)

Poema non poena a Venatore facta est, ut puto! ;)



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A. Apollonius T. Octavio omnibusque sal.

> Why do you insist on calling the Libra Alliance "the
> Libra party"? It is
> not, has never been and will in all probability
> never be a political
> party.

I call it that because in my view it is a party, in
the sense that it is an association with political
objectives. I don't accept your assertion that a party
must be:

> * Organised (Leadership, internal rules)
> * United (Party line, mutual support)
> * Politically focussed (Not seldom to the exclusion
> of actual issues)

There were groups in the British Parliament in the
nineteenth century which had none of these features
but which are described by all historians as parties.

I think my message made it perfectly clear that I do
not consider any of the current parties particularly
organized or monolithic - in fact I think I said that
quite specifically. My point was simply that if you
join something which looks like a political party you
can't complain if people assume you're a member of a
political party.

The fact that you have frequently felt the need to
write to this forum explaining in detail why Libra is
not a political party proves the point: it is not at
all obvious to the casual observer that it is not a
political party, or else you wouldn't have to say so.

In any case, I don't much care what you call it in
English. What matters is that it is, like the 'Boni'
and other such groups, something the Romans never had,
would never have had, and would probably have regarded
as a conjuratio contra rem publicam.



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A. Apollonius C. Buteoni omnibusque sal.

Sounds like an excellent and long-overdue project! I
shall mosey along to the e-mail list to see whether I
can help.



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A. Apollonius Cn. Lentulo omnibusque sal.

Well, I won't insist on a long discussion, but from
what you say I must say I think Professor Zlinszky is
not in agreement with the bulk of modern scholarship.
It sounds like his analysis is very much based on the
abstract political philosophy of Cicero and later,
imperial writers, and not very much in accordance with
the historical reality of the republican constitution.



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Salvete omnes!

This is my first post to the group as I have been lurking for a
couple of weeks.
I have been very impressed with this thread and the way that it has
developed.

My small contribution is that aspects of Christianity have been
blended into several religions. There are folk religions in central
and south america that have blended tribal African beliefs with
Catholic hagiography. I understand that Hindus have no problem
accepting Jesus and Mary into their pantheon either. Finally there is
a curious asian mix in the Cao Dai religion http://www.caodai.org ,
which also includes Christianity.

It seems that synthesis is possible provided that it is called
something else than Christianity.

Regards

Steve.

Mea culpa - No Latin spell check ;)

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A. Apollonius M. Cassio omnibusque sal.

> Gratias ages, amice. Tu poenas pulchros scribis.
> (Thank you my friend. You write beautiful poems.)

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> Lovely... can't wait to see the discussions when it will be to outline the
> scopes of th association, or the role of the various magistrates in the
> check and balance system and so on and so forth and the cries of censorship
> when the "editors" (why we do *elect* a magister aerenarius when then a
> Consul can *nominate* scribes to basically meddle with the website?) will
> "supervise" the contents...

How eager you are to find fault with anything the Consul does, even
something as wholly positive as this.

The Magister Aranearius approved that edict as well; note the statement
at the top that it was issued jointly. The wikimagisters
*are* Scribae of the Magister Aranearius.

You can either contribute, or sit back and whinge as others build
something useful.

Vale, Octavius.

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voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

Captain? Only barbarians drink Captain Morgan! A well-informed drunkard & mixologist (such as myself), knows that the only rum worthy of the palate of a true bibber is Barbancourt Rum from Haiti (land of Vou-doun) usually the 8 year old or perhaps Black Seal. Not only is it grand for sipping or mixing a Navy Grog or Zombie but excellent for pouring libations to Ianus-Legba, the opener of the Ways.
Captain!? ERCULE!! You might as well use vodka to mix a French 75.

FGA

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Perez <senseiphil@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:06:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] CUBA LIBRE


Salve,

Ahumm... It's a Cuba Libre. Take it from a Cuban-American-Nova Roman amice. I do
agree, only bottom shelf Rum should be used for it, never use the "good" stuff.
Anything better than the "Captain" should be sipped by itself.

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:07 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] CUBA LIBRE


Severus Paulino omnibusque sal.

Just for the record, it's cuba libre, amice. I agree with your dad: only
barbarians will mix soda pops with good quality spirits, which happen to be
almost sacred...

Vale, et valete optime,

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Q. Suetonius Paulinus sums up the uses and abuses of the term
"Judeo-Christian" well, but he uses without comment another well
understood collective that _doesn't_ exclude Muslims: "Abrahamic
religions". All three of the exclusiDcvist monotheisms recognize Abraham
as one of their spiritual ancestors. At that, the Muslims beat us to it
in developing an inclusive term: "People of The Book", since all three
recognize the Torah as sacred scripture. The Christians and Muslims
simply add later testaments, the New Testament and Koran, which in their
view(s) amend and supercede the Torah but do not annul its sacred nature.

-- Publius Livius Triarius
mka Dick Eney

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Maior wrote:

> M. Hortensia Sex. Pontio Pilato Barbato spd;
> my apologies!
> Try and imagine if a Muslim used the term "Christano-Muslim"...& you
> would be thinking 'hey I don't believe in Muhammad, don't believe or
> read the Qur'an, eat pork, -why's he including me?' (but you'd get
> killed if you objected;-)

Not if he was, for instance, a Sufi. The murderous fanatics are making so
much noise right now that we're too often losing sight of the relaxed and
tolerant majority of Muslims, to say nothing of their mystic and
intellectual elements.

-- Publius Livius Triarius
mka Dick Eney

*stretches*

On 3/1/06, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
> How eager you are to find fault with anything the Consul does, even
> something as wholly positive as this.


Is it? :) don't you think that defining what Nova Roma is and publicize it
to the world, as the wiki eventually will do if succesful, is a matter that
goes slightly beyond the power of a consul, 4 editors with censorial power
and a bunch of people with time and energies enough to write the wiki
article, but should be given, if necessary, to teh Senate or to the people
as a whole thro a law?

No, I suppose you don't.

The Magister Aranearius approved that edict as well; note the statement
> at the top that it was issued jointly. The wikimagisters
> *are* Scribae of the Magister Aranearius.


And? I don't think the magister araenarius and his scribae have authority
over the contents of the website, besides its maintenance and layout. Nor
the consul.

I would have liked the senate to delberate if we needed a wiki and the
guidelines for its content editing, am I allowed to say that, or am I..
whinging? :) But hey, I suppose if one can create an Augur, can also decide
on minor things as an official wiki.


You can either contribute, or sit back and whinge as others build
> something useful.


yeah yeah yeah, who points out an opinion automatically whinge... but I
suppose your signature says all about your consideration towards people
voicing their opinions, doesn't it? :) Allow me a chuckle :) But thank you
for having made me learn a new term.. whinge... sounds funny.

DCF


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On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Phil Perez wrote:

> Salve,
>
> Ahumm... It's a Cuba Libre. Take it from a Cuban-American-Nova Roman
> amice. I do agree, only bottom shelf Rum should be used for it, never
> use the "good" stuff. Anything better than the "Captain" should be
> sipped by itself.

How many of us are old enough to remember that cartoon in the New
Yorker, just after the Bay of Pings, featuring a bartender indignantly
asking a customer: "A Cuba Libre? What are you, some kind of trouble
maker?"

-- Publius Livius Triarius
ducking and running...

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus wrote:

> Is it? :) don't you think that defining what Nova Roma is and publicize it...
> ...but should be given, if necessary, to teh Senate or to the people
> as a whole thro a law?
>
> No, I suppose you don't.

Of course not. If there had to be a law for every change to the web site
then we'd only have about ten pages in total.

> And? I don't think the magister araenarius and his scribae have authority
> over the contents of the website, besides its maintenance and layout. Nor
> the consul.

Eight years of precedent disagree with you. The Magister (or Curator)
has always had the authority and ability to make changes to the contents,
the layout, and the software; the only change that was ever taken to the
Senate was the move to a new ISP in 2000 - and the Curator of that time
was offered the opportunity to veto if he chose (he did not).

What we're doing now is moving to a system where it is far easier to make
changes, and to have content come from persons who may be skilled writers
but are unfamiliar with how web sites work.

We've been working on this for two months, and sought the concurrence of
the Consuls and the Censores; this was a courtesy rather than a necessity.

> yeah yeah yeah, who points out an opinion automatically whinge... but I
> suppose your signature says all about your consideration towards people
> voicing their opinions, doesn't it? :)

Those were the last words of a martyr, hanged by the government of the
United States for the crime of holding a meeting. I've stood at the
grave of August Spies; August Spies was a hero of mine; and you,
Domitius Constantinus Fuscus, are no August Spies.

Vale, Octavius.

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"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

Salve

Well here in the Subura there are plenty of barbarian immigrants like me and we do like the Captain :-) I am adopted by a patrician family but I'm still a barbarian at heart. Watch out amice or we'll make you walk the plank - after a few Cuba Libres of course!

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] CUBA LIBRE


Captain? Only barbarians drink Captain Morgan! A well-informed drunkard & mixologist (such as myself), knows that the only rum worthy of the palate of a true bibber is Barbancourt Rum from Haiti (land of Vou-doun) usually the 8 year old or perhaps Black Seal. Not only is it grand for sipping or mixing a Navy Grog or Zombie but excellent for pouring libations to Ianus-Legba, the opener of the Ways.
Captain!? ERCULE!! You might as well use vodka to mix a French 75.

FGA

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Perez <senseiphil@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:06:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] CUBA LIBRE


Salve,

Ahumm... It's a Cuba Libre. Take it from a Cuban-American-Nova Roman amice. I do
agree, only bottom shelf Rum should be used for it, never use the "good" stuff.
Anything better than the "Captain" should be sipped by itself.

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus
----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:07 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] CUBA LIBRE


Severus Paulino omnibusque sal.

Just for the record, it's cuba libre, amice. I agree with your dad: only
barbarians will mix soda pops with good quality spirits, which happen to be
almost sacred...

Vale, et valete optime,

M.IVL.SEVERVS

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Valetudo Philippus;

Having little facility with Latin, beyond knowing who to ask for advice,
I appreciate your sentiment ,-)

Lucky is the poet well-read in their lifetime.

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In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Perhaps we should just use the terms "us" and "them"!


Caius Moravius Brutus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, dicconf <dicconf@...> wrote:
>
>
> Q. Suetonius Paulinus sums up the uses and abuses of the term
> "Judeo-Christian" well, but he uses without comment another well
> understood collective that _doesn't_ exclude Muslims: "Abrahamic
> religions". All three of the exclusiDcvist monotheisms recognize
Abraham
> as one of their spiritual ancestors. At that, the Muslims beat us
to it
> in developing an inclusive term: "People of The Book", since all
three
> recognize the Torah as sacred scripture. The Christians and
Muslims
> simply add later testaments, the New Testament and Koran, which in
their
> view(s) amend and supercede the Torah but do not annul its sacred
nature.
>
> -- Publius Livius Triarius
> mka Dick Eney
>

Salvete -

On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 10:07:13AM -0600, Matt Hucke wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus wrote:
>
> > yeah yeah yeah, who points out an opinion automatically whinge... but I
> > suppose your signature says all about your consideration towards people
> > voicing their opinions, doesn't it? :)
>
> Those were the last words of a martyr, hanged by the government of the
> United States for the crime of holding a meeting. I've stood at the
> grave of August Spies; August Spies was a hero of mine; and you,
> Domitius Constantinus Fuscus, are no August Spies.

I also note that, despite the prodigious quantities of verbiage that
Fuscus pours onto this list - all either negative or insulting, to the
best of my recollection - his comprehension of the written word remains
abysmal. This, of course, is par for the course; he doesn't need to
*understand* the issues in order to take a stand against them.

August Spies' words illustrated his commitment to the principle of free
speech, even though it had cost him his life. Octavius, Callidus, and
the others involved in this project are offering the citizens of Nova
Roma the ability to describe it from their own, unique perspectives; D.
Fuscus is objecting to this on the grounds of... well, it's an issue
that he can voice opposition to and thus shine [1] as a lawyer.

Whose actions show greater consideration for the voicing of opinions,
here? Octavius et al, who have expended thir effort to bring this ability
to Nova Roma, or Fuscus, who is determined to strangle it as soon as it
appears?

> "The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
> voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887



[1] Much like John Randolph's evaluation of Edward Livingston, although
the "splendid abilities" part is notably absent.

Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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What prohibits us to tell the truth laughing (through a joke)?
-- Horace, "Satirae"

A. Apollonius Domitio Constantino omnibusque sal.

You know that I'm not one to overlook possible
problems of accountability and proper procedure, but I
think in this case we can expect these issues to be
ironed out as the project progresses. Obviously the
possible problems you raise are real enough, and some
mechanisms will have to be developed to address them;
and, like any project, this one has the potential to
go wrong. But it also has the potential to make our
presence on the internet vastly more efficient and
friendly for visitors, citizens, and magistrates.

The consul and the magister are not putting this
forward as a finished product: it's a project at the
beginning of its development, and it's not going to
replace the official website any time soon or without
further consultation. In my view the best thing is for
those who are interested in the project, or indeed
worried about how it might develop, to join in (as
we've all been invited to do) and make our views known.



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In a message dated 3/1/2006 6:59:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:
A well-informed drunkard & mixologist (such as myself), knows that the only
rum worthy of the palate of a true bibber is Barbancourt Rum from Haiti (land
of Vou-doun) usually the 8 year old or perhaps Black Seal. Not only is it
grand for sipping or mixing a Navy Grog or Zombie but excellent for pouring
libations to Ianus-Legba, the opener of the Ways.
Please don't mention Rum. It's the moring after 'Fat Tuesday"....

Q Fabius Maximus


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Valetudo omnes;

I have gone to the Nova Roma Wiki project area and have enlisted.

I will write an article on the Society of Cooks and Brewers.

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Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias, Diribitor et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

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http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
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May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

Severus Venator omnibusque sal.

I am really glad, O Venator amice, to find out that a superb poet as you are, is also a real rhum connoiseur... I agree with you about the magnificent quality of Barbancourt, although I know a few other rhums also worthy of the palate of a true bibber...

Vale, et valete optime,

M•IVL•SEVERVS

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On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, caiusmoraviusbrutus wrote:

> Perhaps we should just use the terms "us" and "them"!

But what we're looking for is a term for "all of us except maybe Hindus
and Buddhists and Shintoists and Taoists,.."

-- Piblius Livius Triarius

Salve Maxime,

It could be much worse amice. You could have been drinking Tequila - now that is just vile stuff. I'm surprised the suicide rate isn't higher in Mexico, I felt like doing myself in the morning after a "Sunrise" Party back in college, the hang over from Tequila is probably the worst in the world. 32 years later I can still taste in my mouth the effects of it. I've never drunk it since. Tequila can probably be used to remove or thin paint out if Turpentine isn't available :)

Vires et Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

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Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] CUBA LIBRE


In a message dated 3/1/2006 6:59:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:
A well-informed drunkard & mixologist (such as myself), knows that the only
rum worthy of the palate of a true bibber is Barbancourt Rum from Haiti (land
of Vou-doun) usually the 8 year old or perhaps Black Seal. Not only is it
grand for sipping or mixing a Navy Grog or Zombie but excellent for pouring
libations to Ianus-Legba, the opener of the Ways.
Please don't mention Rum. It's the moring after 'Fat Tuesday"....

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Severus Philippo omnibusque sal.

It seems to me, Philippus amice, that you went just too far when talking about tequila. Everybody is entitled to have preferences, I agree, but nobody should talk with such authority, unless having the real knowledge. Now, being a Mexican who was born in Jalisco, the state where tequila first came to the world, I feel really aggraviated by your blunt remarks...
Believe me, I have tried really vile stuff, including some rhums and whiskies, but I know about tequila, and I mean real tequila, not the stuff sold to tourists, the kind you find in most places in the United States.
Good tequila is another thing, amice. Real connoiseurs appreciate it in the same dimension they appreciate superb cognac, for instance. I hope I can offer you, in the near future, at least a sip of authentic tequila, so you can know what you're talking about... and you won't wake up with a horrible hangover the next day!

Vale, et valete optime,

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Salve

I agree!!!

I received my calendars a few days ago and they are just GREAT.

Thanks for all the hard work to get these produced.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus




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>
> On 2/28/06, Peter Bird <p.bird@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Servili et salvete omnes -
> >
> > I've had my calendar for some time and it's superb! Not only is

it most

> > informative, but it is elegant also. Congratulations to the

designers.

> >
> > Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus
>
>
> Yes I agree It's beautiful. I hope they continue to produce them

for next

> year
>
> Merula
>
> --
> Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

M. Hortensia Bruto Triarioque spd;
Actually I prefer, "Jewish"! I don't have an us vs. them
mentality. And Abrhamic faiths isn't really helpful to my mind as
where does it put Zoroaster and for it is the one that first
developed concepts of heaven, hell, angels, and the last judgement.
So it is & should be the acknowledged font of many 'core' beliefs of
Christians, Muslims, Jews etc...

And again apologies on 'they'd kill you' I meant Christians! Who
did in the past, Jews had not the voice to object to anything said
in their name, much less the appropriation of their tradition.
Sister religions is fine as it implies equality.

bene valete
Marca Hortensia Maior

>
> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, caiusmoraviusbrutus wrote:
>
> > Perhaps we should just use the terms "us" and "them"!
>
> But what we're looking for is a term for "all of us except maybe

Hindus

> and Buddhists and Shintoists and Taoists,.."
>
> -- Piblius Livius Triarius
>

Salve

On 3/1/06, Benjamin A. Okopnik <ben@...> wrote:
>
> I also note that, despite the prodigious quantities of verbiage that
> Fuscus pours onto this list - all either negative or insulting, to the
> best of my recollection - his comprehension of the written word remains
> abysmal. This, of course, is par for the course; he doesn't need to
> *understand* the issues in order to take a stand against them.
>


Then I'll count myself lucky that your memory is as good as your ability of
being civil with somone who has just expressed his opinion on a Nova Roman
matter in a style that maybe you didn't appreciate, but with no insult to
anyone, originally.

It's very ironic, or shall we say totally hipocritical, to protest about
someone's alleged (please, bring forward your examples, to my memory I can
remember 2 people I've openly insulted puposefully and without apologizing
afterwards) attitude at insulting resolving to insulting yourself.

What I said originally is that I doubted a Consul or a webmaster or a minor
number of citizens have the right to define such crucial things as what Nova
Roma stand for and publicize it to the world. There is a subtle difference
between arranging and re-wording contents and defining those contents, and
anyone who had to deal with wikipedia, as I did, knows perfectly that in the
moment you place people defining something that is much based on personal
interpretation, as in this case, you run the risk of having those people,
purposefully or by chance, that thing.

If you didn't understand this issue, then I'd reconsider who is indeed the
one having as, as you said an "abysmal" comprehension of the written word.
Incidentally, when you will be able to understand half of a fourth of what
I've written above had it been worded in Italian and express one tenth of a
reasonable point in my languange, then I'll accept critics about my
comprehension coming by you.



> Whose actions show greater consideration for the voicing of opinions,
> here? Octavius et al, who have expended thir effort to bring this ability
> to Nova Roma, or Fuscus, who is determined to strangle it as soon as it
>
appears?
>

*lol* considering I started my "political" activity in Nova Roma fighting
(and getting a load of insults and treaths for that) for the freedom of
speech threathened by the menance of using the Blasphemy decretum, that
sounds pretty funny.

Ah, sorry, forgot your failing memory indeed :)

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus

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Ave!

On 3/1/06, M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:
> Severus Venator omnibusque sal.
>
> I am really glad, O Venator amice, to find out that a superb poet as you are, is also a real rhum connoiseur... I agree with you about the magnificent quality of Barbancourt, although I know a few other rhums also worthy of the palate of a true bibber...
>
> Vale, et valete optime,
>
> M•IVL•SEVERVS
>

Umm, Rum, da dum, da dum!

I did not comment on the liquid refreshment debate, though...

I do enjoy a Cuba Libre from time to time, I'll use a "house brand"
when mixing thusly.

My favorite rum, though is Cruzan - Blackstrap Rum - from St. Croix in
the US Virgin Islands. I like to sip it from a brandy snifter, with
just a little splash of soda water. Good rum should be ebon and
opaque, just like good ale ,-)

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On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:22:50PM +0100, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus wrote:

> Salve
>
> On 3/1/06, Benjamin A. Okopnik <ben@...> wrote:
> >
> > I also note that, despite the prodigious quantities of verbiage that
> > Fuscus pours onto this list - all either negative or insulting, to the
> > best of my recollection - his comprehension of the written word remains
> > abysmal. This, of course, is par for the course; he doesn't need to
> > *understand* the issues in order to take a stand against them.
> >
>
>
> Then I'll count myself lucky that your memory is as good as your ability of
> being civil with somone who has just expressed his opinion on a Nova Roman
> matter in a style that maybe you didn't appreciate, but with no insult to
> anyone, originally.

My ability to be civil with anyone I care to be civil to is unimpaired,
thanks. It's simply that you deserve no such consideration.

All the rest of your /ad hominem/ nonsense has been elided, since I'm
uninterested in wasting time on actually talking _to_ you rather than
pointing out your attempts to destroy what you could never create.


Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Alea iacta est!
Let the dice fly!
-- Julius Caesar, at the Rubicon

Salve,

You are right. The stuff I tried was most probably the crap sold really cheap. It was so vile the next morning that I never tried any ever Tequila again. Mind you, I have had gut-rot booze before. Everything from the stuff the hillbillies in Georgia and Kentucky make at home and call "Whiskey" to the Hard Cider of New Hampshire's White Mountain Boys (New England Hillbillies) near where I live make and nothing ever made me feel as bad the next morning as that Tequila.

Vires et honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

----- Original Message -----
From: M.IVL.SEVERVS
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA


Severus Philippo omnibusque sal.

It seems to me, Philippus amice, that you went just too far when talking about tequila. Everybody is entitled to have preferences, I agree, but nobody should talk with such authority, unless having the real knowledge. Now, being a Mexican who was born in Jalisco, the state where tequila first came to the world, I feel really aggraviated by your blunt remarks...
Believe me, I have tried really vile stuff, including some rhums and whiskies, but I know about tequila, and I mean real tequila, not the stuff sold to tourists, the kind you find in most places in the United States.
Good tequila is another thing, amice. Real connoiseurs appreciate it in the same dimension they appreciate superb cognac, for instance. I hope I can offer you, in the near future, at least a sip of authentic tequila, so you can know what you're talking about... and you won't wake up with a horrible hangover the next day!

Vale, et valete optime,

M.IVL.SEVERVS

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Salve

On 3/1/06, Benjamin A. Okopnik <ben@...> wrote:
>
> All the rest of your /ad hominem/ nonsense has been elided, since I'm
> uninterested in wasting time on actually talking _to_ you rather than
> pointing out your attempts to destroy what you could never create.
>

:) Ah, how easy to run away when called to back up with evidences the
inconsistance of your words, isn't it? :)

DCF


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P. Memmius Albucius Consuli omnibusque s.d.


Wise decision, Consul, which honors you.



Gratias ac vale (-te),


P. Memmius Albucius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> EDICTUM CONSULARE
>
> Regarding Edictum dated February 18, 2006.
>
> Ex Officio
>
> I hereby withdraw my previous edictum regarding Flavius Vedius
> Germanicus as an Augur of Nova Roma.

Salve Romans

"We urgently call upon the wage-class to arm itself in order to be
able to put forth against the exploiters such an argument which
alone can be effective - violence." August Spies

"If we do not soon bestir ourselves for a bloody revolution, we
cannot leave anything to our children but poverty and slavery.
Therefore, prepare yourselves! In all quietness, prepare yourselves
for the Revolution!" August Spies

As a student of history I acknowledge that August Spies execution
and the other executions in reaction to the deaths at Haymarket was
a miscarriage of justice and nothing less than judicial murder.

But the continuing reverence some have for anarchist and socialist
in the face of the historic record is mystifying.

Unless you count the dead, Socialism, Nazism and Communism are
absolute and totally murderous failures.

50 million died in WWII as a result of the German version of
socialism and 100 million ( conservative estimate ) died because of
communism.


Heroes should be like Cincinnatus and Washington, not purveyors of
death and the destruction of millions.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus wrote:
>
> > Is it? :) don't you think that defining what Nova Roma is and
publicize it...
> > ...but should be given, if necessary, to teh Senate or to the
people
> > as a whole thro a law?
> >
> > No, I suppose you don't.
>
> Of course not. If there had to be a law for every change to the
web site
> then we'd only have about ten pages in total.
>
> > And? I don't think the magister araenarius and his scribae have
authority
> > over the contents of the website, besides its maintenance and
layout. Nor
> > the consul.
>
> Eight years of precedent disagree with you. The Magister (or
Curator)
> has always had the authority and ability to make changes to the
contents,
> the layout, and the software; the only change that was ever taken
to the
> Senate was the move to a new ISP in 2000 - and the Curator of that
time
> was offered the opportunity to veto if he chose (he did not).
>
> What we're doing now is moving to a system where it is far easier
to make
> changes, and to have content come from persons who may be skilled
writers
> but are unfamiliar with how web sites work.
>
> We've been working on this for two months, and sought the
concurrence of
> the Consuls and the Censores; this was a courtesy rather than a
necessity.
>
> > yeah yeah yeah, who points out an opinion automatically
whinge... but I
> > suppose your signature says all about your consideration towards
people
> > voicing their opinions, doesn't it? :)
>
> Those were the last words of a martyr, hanged by the government of
the
> United States for the crime of holding a meeting. I've stood at
the
> grave of August Spies; August Spies was a hero of mine; and you,
> Domitius Constantinus Fuscus, are no August Spies.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> hucke@...
> http://www.graveyards.com
>
> "The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
> voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887
>

Salve, Maximus.

Did we orgy just a bit too much last night? How about some garlic cheese with bread? Maybe a little salted ham & hard crackers? How about some cheese grits and fried eggs mixed with brains?
Why are you rushing out the vomitorium, my friend?

Aurelianus

-----Original Message-----
From: QFabiusMaxmi@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:43:05 EST
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] CUBA LIBRE


In a message dated 3/1/2006 6:59:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:
A well-informed drunkard & mixologist (such as myself), knows that the only
rum worthy of the palate of a true bibber is Barbancourt Rum from Haiti (land
of Vou-doun) usually the 8 year old or perhaps Black Seal. Not only is it
grand for sipping or mixing a Navy Grog or Zombie but excellent for pouring
libations to Ianus-Legba, the opener of the Ways.
Please don't mention Rum. It's the moring after 'Fat Tuesday"....

Q Fabius Maximus


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M. Hortensia Steve spd;
I cannot believe that I forgot about Voudoun, Santeria,
Candomble, etc all the African-Christian religions. What makes
a 'folk' religion? Hmm, it can be seen as a term of dismissal, when
used by scholars. As apposed to what -book religion?
Anyway, there was also the sycretic Christianity-Confucianism of
the Boxer Rebellion in China,
and of course all those 'heresies' of the past:various forms of
Gnosticism, Montanism, Cathars, Albigenses, Waldenses, all coming from
Christianity.

Teixidor makes the point that the supreme god of the Near East Baal
Shaamin, Lord or the Heavens or El the Most High or Creator of the
Earth, called this in Ugarit, had helper gods, intermediaries.
Astarte was called the Name of Baal, Tenit (Tanith) the Face of Baal,
Eshmun the young god, assimilated to Hercules, as well as the youthful
god Melqart. Also the dying god Adonis of Phoenicia.

In his introduction, he finally solves what for me had been a
longstanding question: why were the Syrian/Phonician gods so popular
all over the Empire?
"In these Semitic societies the gods were supposed to look after
their worshippers, and as a result the believers themselves felt a
rather unusual degree of solidarity with thier gods." p. 10 "The
Pagan God" J. Teixidor
The Oriental gods were called in Greek 'theoi epekooi' the ones who
listen to prayers, they were friendly gods.

so that was solved. Fascinating!
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

> My small contribution is that aspects of Christianity have been
> blended into several religions. There are folk religions in central
> and south america that have blended tribal African beliefs with
> Catholic hagiography. I understand that Hindus have no problem
> accepting Jesus and Mary into their pantheon either. Finally there

is

> a curious asian mix in the Cao Dai religion

http://www.caodai.org ,

> which also includes Christianity.
>
> It seems that synthesis is possible provided that it is called
> something else than Christianity.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve.
>

> A. Tullia Scholastica A. Apollonio M. Cassio quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae uoluntatis s.p.d.
>
> A. Apollonius M. Cassio omnibusque sal.
>
>> > Gratias ages, amice. Tu poenas pulchros scribis.
>> > (Thank you my friend. You write beautiful poems.)
>
> Poema non poena a Venatore facta est, ut puto! ;)
>
> ATS: Ne dicam nec poenam nec poema genus masculinum esse...poema,
> poematis, n.; poena, poenae, f. Macte, autem, Cassi amice, quia Latine
> scribis!
>
> Valete.
>
>

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> A. Tullia Scholastica P. Liuio Triario quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae
> uoluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Q. Suetonius Paulinus sums up the uses and abuses of the term
> "Judeo-Christian" well, but he uses without comment another well
> understood collective that _doesn't_ exclude Muslims: "Abrahamic
> religions". All three of the exclusiDcvist monotheisms recognize Abraham
> as one of their spiritual ancestors. At that, the Muslims beat us to it
> in developing an inclusive term: "People of The Book,"since all three
> recognize the Torah as sacred scripture. The Christians and Muslims
> simply add later testaments, the New Testament and Koran, which in their
> view(s) amend and supercede the Torah but do not annul its sacred nature.
>
> ATS: There are, however, other faiths which employ sacred scriptures as
> well, so it is hardly definitive to call the Abrahamic religions ÂŒPeople of
> the Book.¹ The Sikhs use the Granth Sahib, and the Hindus use the Vedas, the
> latter of which long precede the Koran and the NT, and, according to the
> hard-copy information available to me at present, the Torah as well. The
> millions of adherents of these two Indic religions seem more likely to refer
> to one or the other of these scriptures as Œthe book¹ (granted, that there are
> four Vedas) than they are to the Torah or the OT, NT, etc.
>
> -- Publius Livius Triarius
> mka Dick Eney
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>

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M.Hortensia A. Tullae spd;
well said amica! And let's not forget the Gathas of
Zarathustra and Zend-Avesta. I think the Gathas are about co-eval
linguistically with the Vedas. Can you read them with your Sanskrit?
vale
Maior


The

> > millions of adherents of these two Indic religions seem more

likely to refer

> > to one or the other of these scriptures as Œthe book¹ (granted,

that there are

> > four Vedas) than they are to the Torah or the OT, NT, etc.
> >
> > --> >
> > Vale, et ualete,
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>>

RENVNTIATIO PRAESCRIPTORIS II ACADEMIAE THVLES

ANNOUNCEMENT BY
the Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.

Pleno suo Quarto, Consilium Academiae Thules decrevit aliis titulis
terminisque Latinis intra Academiam Thules uti.

During its Fourth Plenum the Consilium Academia Thules (The BoD of
Academia Thules) has decided to use a different set of Latin titles
and terms within the Academia Thules.

Tituli verbaque publicae utilitatis infra scripta sunt:
Below are those titles and terms that are of public interest:

"Genus Doctrinae" in "Facultas" (pl., "Facultates")
Genus Doctrinae to Facultas (pl. Facultates):

"Historiae" in "Historiae"
Historiae to Historiae

"Religionis" in "Theologiae"
Religionis to Theologiae

"Lex Romana" in "Juris"
Lex Romana to Juris

"Philosophiae" in "Philosophiae"
Philosophiae to Philosophiae

"Latini" in "Litterarum Latinarum"
Latini to Litterarum Latinarum

"Novae Romae" in "Novae Romae"
Novae Romae to Novae Romae

"Archeologicae" in "Archaeologiae"
Archeologicae to Archaeologiae

"Artis Militaris" in "Rei Militaris"
Artis Militaris to Rei Militaris

"officina" in "procuratio" (pl., "procurationes")
officina to procuratio (pl. procurationes)

"caput officinae" in "praefectus procurationis"
caput officinae to praefectus procurationis

"aula discipulorum" in "aula studentium"
aula discipulorum to aula studentium

"claustrum praeceptorum" in "claustrum academicum"
claustrum praeceptorum to claustrum academicum

"questiones et responsiones" in "quaesita responsa"
questiones et responsiones to quaesita responsa

"syllabus cooperationes" in "index inceptorum collaborationis"
syllabus cooperationes to index inceptorum collaborationis

"caput generis doctrinae" in "decanus facultatis" (pl., "decani facultatis")
caput generis doctrinae to decanus facultatis (pl. decani facultatis)

"consuasor advocatus" in "consultor"
consuasor advocatus to consultor

"consultor" in "consultor rationarius"
consultor to consultor rationarius

"scriba ad res externas" in "scriba a necessitudinibus publicis"
scriba ad res externas to scriba anecessitudinibus publicis

"scriba fiscalis" in "scriba aerarius"
scriba fiscalis to scriba aerarius

"triumviratum academiae" in "triumviratus academiae"
triumviratum academiae to triumviratus academiae

"procurator academiae" in "rector"
procurator academiae to rector

"libellus" in "libellus" (pl., "libelli")
libellus to libellus (pl. libelli)

"propositio" in "thesis" (pl., "theses")
propositio to thesis (pl. theses)

"baccalaureus" in "baccalaureatus"
baccalaureus to baccalaureatus

"scriba araniae" in "scriba aranearius"
scriba araniae to scriba aranearius

"scriba secretarius" in "scriba rectorius"
scriba secretarius to scriba rectorius

Infra sunt scripta designationes quae usque ad diem quintum decimum
(XV) mensis Ianuari MMDCCLX (2007) valebunt. Quidam collegarum
nostrorum nondum nobiscum collocuti sunt, quare Academia Thules cum
eis privatim agere consilium cepit.

Below are the appointments until the the 15th of January 2760 (2007).
Some co-workers in the Academia Thules still need to be spoken with
and the Academia Thules plan to have discussions with them privately.

Ex iure mihi Praescriptori Academiae Thules Regula Academiae Thules
mandato hos usque ad diem quintum decimum (XV) mensis Ianuari MMDCCLX
(2007) iterum magistros officiales Academiae Thules creo:

By the powers invested in me as Praescriptor Academia Thules by the
Regula of the Academia Thules I hereby re-appoint the following
personnel in the Academia Thules until at the latest the 15th of
January 2759 (2006):

A. Gratium Avitum Decanum Facultatis Litterarum Latinarum
A. Gratius Garseius Avitus as Decanus Facultatis Litterarum Latinarum
(Director of the Latin Department)

Aulam Tulliam Scholasticam Praeceptricem Facultatis Litterarum Latinarum
Aula Tullia Scholastica as Praeceptor for Facultas Litterarum
Latinarum (Teacher in LatinDepartment)

Aulum Apollonium Cordum Decanum Facultatis Juris
Aulus Apollonius Cordus as Decanus Facultatis Iuris (Director of the
Law Department)

Marcum Horatium Piscinum Decanum Facultatis Theologiae
Marcus Horatius Piscinus as Decanus Facultatis Theologiae (Director
of the Religio Romana Department)

Gnaeum Salvium Asturem Decanum Facultatis Historicae
Gnaeus Salvius Astur as Decanus Facultatis Historica (Director of the
History Department)

Caium Curium Saturninum Decanum Facultatis Philosophiae
Caius Curius Saturninus as Decanus Facultatis Philosophiae (Director
of the Philosophy Department)

Caium Curium Saturninum Decanum Facultatis Novae Romae
Caius Curius Saturninus as Decanus Facultati Novae Romae (Director of
the Nova Roma Department)

Marcum Minucium Audentem Decanum Facultatis Rei Militari
Marcus Minucius Audens as Decanus Facultatis Rei Militaris (Director
of the Roman Military HistoryDepartment)

Praeterea, titulus Academiae capitis administrandae, C. Curi
Saturninum consentaneo modo a "Procuratore Academiae Thules ad
Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova" in "Rectorem

Further the title of the administrativ leader/CEO of the Academia,
Caius Curius Saturninus, consequently is changed from "Procurator
Academia Thules ad Studia Roman a Antiqua et Nova" to "Rector
Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova", Rector Academia
Thules for short.
--

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Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senator, Censorius et Consularis
Accensus GFBM, Scriba Censoris GEM
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Salve All
I like Scotch.... No one ever asks me for a drink!..
Vale
Quintus Sertorius

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Perez" <senseiphil@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA


> Salve,
>
> You are right. The stuff I tried was most probably the crap sold really
> cheap. It was so vile the next morning that I never tried any ever Tequila
> again. Mind you, I have had gut-rot booze before. Everything from the
> stuff the hillbillies in Georgia and Kentucky make at home and call
> "Whiskey" to the Hard Cider of New Hampshire's White Mountain Boys (New
> England Hillbillies) near where I live make and nothing ever made me feel
> as bad the next morning as that Tequila.
>
> Vires et honos,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: M.IVL.SEVERVS
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA
>
>
> Severus Philippo omnibusque sal.
>
> It seems to me, Philippus amice, that you went just too far when talking
> about tequila. Everybody is entitled to have preferences, I agree, but
> nobody should talk with such authority, unless having the real knowledge.
> Now, being a Mexican who was born in Jalisco, the state where tequila
> first came to the world, I feel really aggraviated by your blunt
> remarks...
> Believe me, I have tried really vile stuff, including some rhums and
> whiskies, but I know about tequila, and I mean real tequila, not the stuff
> sold to tourists, the kind you find in most places in the United States.
> Good tequila is another thing, amice. Real connoiseurs appreciate it in
> the same dimension they appreciate superb cognac, for instance. I hope I
> can offer you, in the near future, at least a sip of authentic tequila, so
> you can know what you're talking about... and you won't wake up with a
> horrible hangover the next day!
>
> Vale, et valete optime,
>
> M.IVL.SEVERVS
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>
> M.Hortensia A. Tullae spd;
> well said amica! And let's not forget the Gathas of
> Zarathustra and Zend-Avesta. I think the Gathas are about co-eval
> linguistically with the Vedas. Can you read them with your Sanskrit?
>
> ATS: Well, I¹ve read a little of the Rg Veda...and back when I was nearer
> to taking Sanskrit, I might have been able to read more of it...it¹s been a
> while. My Latin department has largely been reinstalled after several years
> in hibernation (and augmented); Greek is stirring from a longer slumber, and
> THEN Sanskrit may be attended to. I suspect that the Zend-Avesta and the
> Gathas are closer to Persian (almost surely the ZA is). My late Sanskrit
> professor could read Persian as well as Sanskrit, and would have been able to
> comment on that, but he chose the path of the bottle and the coffin nail, and
> died before reaching age 51. Hear, o devotees of Cuba Libre...instead of
> translating the Sanskrit epic, as he had started to do to high praise, he
> died‹too young, and looking twice his age.
>
> vale
> Maior
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
> The
>>> > > millions of adherents of these two Indic religions seem more
> likely to refer
>>> > > to one or the other of these scriptures as Œthe book¹ (granted,
> that there are
>>> > > four Vedas) than they are to the Torah or the OT, NT, etc.
>>> > >
>>> > > --> >
>>> > > Vale, et ualete,
>>> > >
>>> > > A. Tullia Scholastica
>>> > >
>>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>> >>
>
>
>
>

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> 50 million died in WWII as a result of the German version of socialism

The Nazis were racist, imperialist, fascist, anti-communist; the American
socialists of Spies' day were none of those things. It wasn't socialism
that started WWII; it was Hitler's desire to conquer.

(But this is off-topic, and likely to get very nasty very quickly, so
after this one response I will write no more here).

Vale, Octavius.


--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

Salve,

I can't blame them. I'd rather drink iodine.

Vires Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

----- Original Message -----
From: Nathan Guiboche
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA


Salve All
I like Scotch.... No one ever asks me for a drink!..
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Perez" <senseiphil@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA


> Salve,
>
> You are right. The stuff I tried was most probably the crap sold really
> cheap. It was so vile the next morning that I never tried any ever Tequila
> again. Mind you, I have had gut-rot booze before. Everything from the
> stuff the hillbillies in Georgia and Kentucky make at home and call
> "Whiskey" to the Hard Cider of New Hampshire's White Mountain Boys (New
> England Hillbillies) near where I live make and nothing ever made me feel
> as bad the next morning as that Tequila.
>
> Vires et honos,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: M.IVL.SEVERVS
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA
>
>
> Severus Philippo omnibusque sal.
>
> It seems to me, Philippus amice, that you went just too far when talking
> about tequila. Everybody is entitled to have preferences, I agree, but
> nobody should talk with such authority, unless having the real knowledge.
> Now, being a Mexican who was born in Jalisco, the state where tequila
> first came to the world, I feel really aggraviated by your blunt
> remarks...
> Believe me, I have tried really vile stuff, including some rhums and
> whiskies, but I know about tequila, and I mean real tequila, not the stuff
> sold to tourists, the kind you find in most places in the United States.
> Good tequila is another thing, amice. Real connoiseurs appreciate it in
> the same dimension they appreciate superb cognac, for instance. I hope I
> can offer you, in the near future, at least a sip of authentic tequila, so
> you can know what you're talking about... and you won't wake up with a
> horrible hangover the next day!
>
> Vale, et valete optime,
>
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Hee Hee! };-) You see.... It always works.....
QS

From: "Phil Perez"
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA

> Salve,
> I can't blame them. I'd rather drink iodine.
> Vires Honos,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus

From QS
" Salve All
I like Scotch.... No one ever asks me for a drink!..
Vale
Quintus Sertorius"

Salve Sertori.

You could drink Screetch, and then not only would no one want a
drink from you, but they would probably donate real spirits, or
alternatively hard cash to help you seek immediate medical treatment
for intestinal damage and brain-rot.

Vale
Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Guiboche" <nate@...> wrote:
>
> Hee Hee! };-) You see.... It always works.....
> QS
>
> From: "Phil Perez"
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA
> > Salve,
> > I can't blame them. I'd rather drink iodine.
> > Vires Honos,
> > Marcus Cassius Philippus
>
> From QS
> " Salve All
> I like Scotch.... No one ever asks me for a drink!..
> Vale
> Quintus Sertorius"
>

I wonder if anyone here has ever had real screech. Not the stuff sold in stores as "Screech", but the real stuff from some still. When I was in Ottawa at a political convention (won't say which one, kind of embarrassed now), we did a shot, kissed a fish, and had to say "I is a Newfoundlander, I is". Or something like that. You won't forget screech, or rather, you will forget the night you had it.

I, too, like Scotch or Canadian whisky

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
Salve Sertori.

You could drink Screetch, and then not only would no one want a
drink from you, but they would probably donate real spirits, or
alternatively hard cash to help you seek immediate medical treatment
for intestinal damage and brain-rot.

Vale
Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Guiboche" <nate@...> wrote:
>
> Hee Hee! };-) You see.... It always works.....
> QS
>
> From: "Phil Perez"
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA
> > Salve,
> > I can't blame them. I'd rather drink iodine.
> > Vires Honos,
> > Marcus Cassius Philippus
>
> From QS
> " Salve All
> I like Scotch.... No one ever asks me for a drink!..
> Vale
> Quintus Sertorius"
>






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Salve Agrippa.

Once, and only once. It was a "gift". Hmmmmm. I detected the aroma
of creosote and sampled the smoothness of what I think was its
principle ingredient, battery acid.

We should leave this genuine WMD at the side of roads in Iraq and
Afghanistan. It would be easy to spot the insurgents then, they
would be the ones clawing at their throats, stumbling blindly into
the path of on-coming trucks and babbling incoherently about flying
pink camels.

Those would be the lucky ones.

Vale
Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
<canadaoccidentalis@...> wrote:

>
> I wonder if anyone here has ever had real screech. Not the stuff

sold in stores as "Screech", but the real stuff from some still.
When I was in Ottawa at a political convention (won't say which one,
kind of embarrassed now), we did a shot, kissed a fish, and had to
say "I is a Newfoundlander, I is". Or something like that. You
won't forget screech, or rather, you will forget the night you had
it.

>

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Maior wrote:

> M.Hortensia A. Tullae spd;
> well said amica! And let's not forget the Gathas of
> Zarathustra and Zend-Avesta. I think the Gathas are about co-eval
> linguistically with the Vedas. Can you read them with your Sanskrit?

The Arabs cerrtainly knew about their neighbors, the Zoroastrian Persians,
and since they were on a major seaborne trade route must have known about
the Indians as well. However, neither Zoroastrians nor Indians were what
they meant by "People of The Book". (The Granth Sahib, of course, was not
in existence in Mohammed's time.)

-- Publius Livius Triarius

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

> Salve, Maximus.
>
> Did we orgy just a bit too much last night? How about some garlic
> cheese with bread? Maybe a little salted ham & hard crackers? How
> about some cheese grits and fried eggs mixed with brains? Why are you
> rushing out the vomitorium, my friend?

The Greeks considerfed eating half a head of raw cabbage the best cure for
a hangover, according to de Camp. We all know that if there's anything to
be known about vice, the Greeks probably know it -- but I suspect that the
prospect of eating half a head of raw cabbage might lead a person to shun
drinking drunk.

-- Publius Livius Triarius

SALVETE OMNES

Concerning Christianity and ancient Rome I emphatically urge you to take a look at this
book here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9059113969/sr=8-1/qid=1141263434/
ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1799592-7137559?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Half of the book is online for free here:

http://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/jwc_e/contents.html

To make it short: Jesus the Christ is the historical manifestation of the Divus Iulius as
handed down to us in the course of history. Jesus (as a man) was a Roman, the greatest
Roman - maybe the greatest man - to ever walk the face of the Earth: C. Iulius Caesar.

Please read it, and if you just don't get it, you are - I hate to say this - no real Romans, let
alone "new Romans". To extrapolate a bit (just quick and dirty): Nova Roma must accept
Christianity as the one and only superior Roman religion, including the Pope as the
modern-day pontifex maximus. All the other aspects of the so-called "pagan belief" of
ancient Rome are wonderful, thrilling, adorable and after all necessary - and should be
included, lived and pursued, but they can only be regarded as additions to the Roman
ruler cult that started with the divine Caesar and still continues to this day in every
Christian church on this planet. Like it or not: THIS version of Rome is still alive, has
always been - and will hopefully always be.

...and now think about what a new Rome can really be. Think about Jesus. Think about
Caesar. Amen.

With serious regards

C. ASINIVS POLLIO

Salve Octavi,

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Octavius wrote:

>> Is it? :) don't you think that defining what Nova Roma is and >>publicize it...
>> ...but should be given, if necessary, to teh Senate or to the people
>> as a whole thro a law?
>
>> No, I suppose you don't.

>Of course not. If there had to be a law for every change to the web >site
>then we'd only have about ten pages in total.

That's true, however Fuscus may have a point. Is this an administrative
change or a policy change? If it's a policy change, then the senate
*must* be involved as only the senate can set policy. Consular edicts
(or any kind of edicts) are only temporary orders that expire at the end
of the year and are used for the day to day running of the Republic, not
for making far reaching changes. This sounds like it might be a major
change in how we present ourselves to the world and as such could be
considered a policy change and need senate approval.

If it's an administrative change, then it merely required action by the
magister araenarius, it wouldn't fall under the consul's purview and
would be outside the scope of consular authority and edicts anyway.

If it is a policy change, then the senate must be consulted. Looking at
the site, it is *arguably* a policy change. It certainly wouldn't hurt
to consult the senate.

All that being said, it does look like a good idea and has potential.

Vale,

Palladius

M. Hortensia G. Asinio Pollio spd;
my dear Pollio my ancestors have given it a thought
millenia ago and pass, and frankly we don't want you;-)
each man and woman to his own beliefs or philosophy
or none at all is the only way for civilized people to behave.
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

Salve
It just keeps getting better!!... I remember drinking a concoction called
"Moose Milk" when I first worked with the PPLCI, and that drink was truly
heroic!!.... As to medical treatment..... Of course, it's all for
medicinal purposes!!.... {:-P
Vale
Sertorius

From: "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: TEQUILA

> Salve Sertori.
> You could drink Screetch, and then not only would no one want a
> drink from you, but they would probably donate real spirits, or
> alternatively hard cash to help you seek immediate medical treatment
> for intestinal damage and brain-rot.
>
> Vale
> Caesar
>

Up Scotch!!..
Sertorius

From: "Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa"
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TEQUILA

>I wonder if anyone here has ever had real screech. Not the stuff sold in
>stores as "Screech", but the real stuff from some still. When I was in
>Ottawa at a political convention (won't say which one, kind of embarrassed
>now), we did a shot, kissed a fish, and had to say "I is a Newfoundlander,
>I is". Or something like that. You won't forget screech, or rather, you
>will forget the night you had it.
>
> I, too, like Scotch or Canadian whisky
>
>

Salvete omnes,

They say the use of spirits as we know it today actually
proliferated in the age of exploration since one could pack more
punch in a compact way by condensing the alcohol as such when
travelling by ship or wagon into the frontiers.

The real old timers told me that Newfoundland Screech was actually
home made hillbilly type alcohol. I remember hearing as a kid about
40 people made some screech in an area called Africville in Halifax
NS now a huge container pier area. It turned out to be wood alcohol.
Half of the 40 went permanently blind another several died. Today
when you get screeched in Newfoundland as I did, it is actually
Jamaican rum. For the record some of the best rums I tried come from
Colombia, Ron Medellin is one of my favourite which I get when
friends come back from there off and on. I make darn sure that the
rye or rum I taste is the pure sugar cane rum or juice of the barley
for whiskey. Many factories in America use corn alcohol and just
flavour it to pass off as those spirits so I am quite selective
sticking to Cuban rum, single malt scotch or real Irish whiskey.

As for the history of spirits it looks like they were invented long
ago but perhaps used in those times as medicinal or cosmetic
purposes. From the Wikipedia:

Distillation history

Beer and wine were historically limited to a maximum alcohol content
of about 15 percent by volume, beyond which yeast is adversely
affected and cannot ferment. Alcohol levels higher than 15 percent
have historically been obtained in a number of ways.

[edit]
Ancient

Wine heated in an animal bladder draws out water and leaves alcohol
behind (the bladder has a natural property which removes water), but
there is no evidence this method was used before modern times.

The first evidence of true distillation comes from Babylonia and
dates from the fourth millennium BC. Specially shaped clay pots were
used to extract small amounts of distilled alcohol through natural
cooling for use in perfumes, however it is unlikely this device ever
played a meaningful role in the history of the development of the
still. By the 3rd century AD there is evidence that alchemists in
Alexandria, Egypt, used distillation to produce alcohol for
sublimation and for coloring metal.

[edit]
Central Asia and the Middle East

Freeze distillation or the "Mongolian still", is known to have been
in use in Central Asia as early as the 7th century AD. This method
involves freezing the alcoholic beverage and removing water
crystals. The freezing method had limitations in geography and
implementation and thus did not have widespread use, but remained in
limited use, for example the American colonial period applejack was
made from cider using this method.

The development of the still with cooled collector — necessary for
the efficient distillation of spirits without freezing — was an
invention of Arab and Persian alchemists in the 8th or 9th
centuries. In particular, Geber (Jabir Ibn Hayyan, 721–815) invented
the alembic still; he observed that heated wine from this still
released a flammable vapor, which he described as "of little use,
but of great importance to science". Not much later Al-Razi (864–
930) described the distillation of alcohol and its use in medicine.
By that time, distilled spirits had become fairly popular beverages:
the poet Abu Nuwas (d. 813) describes a wine that "has the color of
rain-water but is as hot inside the ribs as a burning firebrand".
The terms "alembic" and "alcohol", and possibly the
metaphors "spirit" and aqua vitæ ("life-water") for the distilled
product, can be traced to Middle Eastern alchemy.

Names like "life water" have continued to be the inspiration for the
names of several types of beverages, like Gaelic whisky, French eaux-
de-vie and possibly vodka. Also, the Scandinavian akvavit spirit
gets its name from the Latin phrase aqua vitae.

[edit]
Europe

Alcohol first appeared in Europe in the mid 12th century among
alchemists, who were more interested in medical "elixirs" (ie.
entertainment purposes) than making gold from lead. It first appears
under the name aqua ardens (burning water) in the Compendium Salerni
from the medical school at Salerno. The recipe was written in code,
suggesting it was kept a secret. Taddeo Alderotti in his Consilia
medicinalis referred to the "serpente" which is believed to have
been the coiled tube of a still.

Paracelsus gave alcohol its modern name, taking it from the Arabic
word which means "finely divided", in reference to what is done to
wine. His test was to burn a spoonful without leaving any residue.
Other ways of testing were to burn a cloth soaked in it without
actually harming the cloth. In both cases, to achieve this effect
the alcohol had to have been at least 95 percent.

Claims on the origins of specific beverages are controversial, often
invoking national pride, but they are plausible after the 12th
century when Irish whiskey, German Hausbrand and German brandy can
all be safely said to have arrived. These beverages would have had
much lower alcohol content than the alchemists' pure distillations
(around 40 percent by volume), and were likely first thought of as
medicinal elixirs. Consumption of distilled beverages rose
dramatically in Europe in and after the mid 14th century, when
distilled liquors were commonly used as remedies for the Black
Death. Around 1400 it was discovered how to distill spirits from
wheat, barley, and rye beers; even sawdust was used to make alcohol,
a much cheaper option than grapes. Thus began the "national" drinks
of Europe: jenever (Belgium and the Netherlands), gin (England),
schnapps (Germany), aquavit (Scandinavia), vodka (Russia and
Poland), rakia (the Balkans). The actual names only emerged in the
16th century but the drinks were well known prior to that date.

[edit]
Modern distillation

The actual process of distillation itself has not changed since the
8th century. There have, however, been many changes in both the
methods by which organic material is prepared for the still and in
the ways the distilled beverage is finished and marketed. Knowledge
of the principles of sanitation and access to standardized yeast
strains have improved the quality of the base ingredient; larger,
more efficient stills produce more product per square foot and
reduce waste; ingredients such as corn, rice, and potatoes have been
called into service as inexpensive replacements for traditional
grains and fruit. Chemists have discovered the scientific principles
behind aging, and have devised ways in which aging can be
accelerated without introducing harsh flavors. Modern filters have
allowed distillers to remove unwanted residue and produce smoother
finished products. Most of all, marketing has developed a worldwide
market for distilled beverages among populations which in earlier
times did not drink spirits.


Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

As a Pagan I would consider "them" to be part of the "us" team!

Caius Moravius Brutus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, dicconf <dicconf@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, caiusmoraviusbrutus wrote:
>
> > Perhaps we should just use the terms "us" and "them"!
>
> But what we're looking for is a term for "all of us except maybe
Hindus
> and Buddhists and Shintoists and Taoists,.."
>
> -- Piblius Livius Triarius
>

While the Arabic term Ahl al Kitab "people of the book" did
originally refer specifically to Muslims, Christians and Jews it was
applied to Zoroastrians after the Islamic conquest/conversion of
Iran. This was presumably to ease the assimilation of the general
population much in the same way that the Christians in the west did
by adopting our feast days and much of our imagery.

There would have been a need to reach some sort of accomodation with
the followers of Zoroaster as, I believe, "people of the book" have a
rather different - and superior - status from Pagans under Islamic
law.

Valete

Brutus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, dicconf <dicconf@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Maior wrote:
>
> > M.Hortensia A. Tullae spd;
> > well said amica! And let's not forget the Gathas of
> > Zarathustra and Zend-Avesta. I think the Gathas are about co-eval
> > linguistically with the Vedas. Can you read them with your
Sanskrit?
>
> The Arabs cerrtainly knew about their neighbors, the Zoroastrian
Persians,
> and since they were on a major seaborne trade route must have known
about
> the Indians as well. However, neither Zoroastrians nor Indians
were what
> they meant by "People of The Book". (The Granth Sahib, of course,
was not
> in existence in Mohammed's time.)
>
> -- Publius Livius Triarius
>

Seems you haven't understood a word I was saying. Too bad. Vale. C. Asinius Pollio.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia G. Asinio Pollio spd;
> my dear Pollio my ancestors have given it a thought
> millenia ago and pass, and frankly we don't want you;-)
> each man and woman to his own beliefs or philosophy
> or none at all is the only way for civilized people to behave.
> bene vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>

> Is this an administrative change or a policy change? If it's a policy change,
> then the senate *must* be involved as only the senate can set policy.

Magistrates may still set policies and enforce them within their limited
domain; these are of course temporary. In the case of the web site it has
always been the case that volunteers were sought and would be given access
to make changes, but could be summarily dismissed by the curator/magister
if they made improper changes (though I don't think this has ever happened).

The major difference now is that the Wiki makes it spectacularly easy to
sign up and begin working within minutes, even for people who don't
understand at all how web sites work, and eventually we probably will have
to block someone for attempted vandalism.

> Consular edicts
> (or any kind of edicts) are only temporary orders that expire at the end
> of the year and are used for the day to day running of the Republic, not
> for making far reaching changes.

Good point; I wouldn't like to see all of this work undone by next year's
magister who might have a strong enough preference for a different system
that much content might be thrown out, or who might throw out the policies
we establish this year.

We could seek Senate approval of these policies:
1 - that the Wiki is the preferred content management system
2 - that anyone may volunteer and edit, but may be dismissed by the
Magister Aranearius (or his scribae, the WikiMagisters)
3 - that "Neutral Point of View" will be strictly enforced. That is,
for controversial topics like the debate of a few weeks ago, it must
be presented in a strictly factual and neutral manner with equal weight
given to both sides. (This is how wikipedia.org handles such issues).
4 - the wikimagisters will protect pages that are likely to be vandalized,
such as the main page or leges, so only admins can edit.

Until that happens these would be only temporary policies enforced by
magister's edicts; I'd like to see them last longer than this year.

> It certainly wouldn't hurt to consult the senate.

I'll see if we can put something together (similar to the above)
and ask the Consuls to present it.

Vale, Octavius.

--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

On 3/2/06, Gaius Asinius Pollio <smaitee@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Please read it, and if you just don't get it, you are - I hate to say this
> - no real Romans,

I was always taught - Never argue with a fool, it only confuses the
bystanders. Otherwise of course I'd love to debate this :-)

Flavia Lucilla Merula

--

> Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done

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Scotch? If I wanted the taste of bog in my rye whisky, I would drink Scotch but otherwise "No." As a famous person once said, "Scotch? It was inwented by a little old lady in Leningrad!"

Aurelianus

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Perez <senseiphil@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:43:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA


Salve,

I can't blame them. I'd rather drink iodine.

Vires Honos,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

----- Original Message -----
From: Nathan Guiboche
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA


Salve All
I like Scotch.... No one ever asks me for a drink!..
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Perez" <senseiphil@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA


> Salve,
>
> You are right. The stuff I tried was most probably the crap sold really
> cheap. It was so vile the next morning that I never tried any ever Tequila
> again. Mind you, I have had gut-rot booze before. Everything from the
> stuff the hillbillies in Georgia and Kentucky make at home and call
> "Whiskey" to the Hard Cider of New Hampshire's White Mountain Boys (New
> England Hillbillies) near where I live make and nothing ever made me feel
> as bad the next morning as that Tequila.
>
> Vires et honos,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus
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> Subject: [Nova-Roma] TEQUILA
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>
> Severus Philippo omnibusque sal.
>
> It seems to me, Philippus amice, that you went just too far when talking
> about tequila. Everybody is entitled to have preferences, I agree, but
> nobody should talk with such authority, unless having the real knowledge.
> Now, being a Mexican who was born in Jalisco, the state where tequila
> first came to the world, I feel really aggraviated by your blunt
> remarks...
> Believe me, I have tried really vile stuff, including some rhums and
> whiskies, but I know about tequila, and I mean real tequila, not the stuff
> sold to tourists, the kind you find in most places in the United States.
> Good tequila is another thing, amice. Real connoiseurs appreciate it in
> the same dimension they appreciate superb cognac, for instance. I hope I
> can offer you, in the near future, at least a sip of authentic tequila, so
> you can know what you're talking about... and you won't wake up with a
> horrible hangover the next day!
>
> Vale, et valete optime,
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:14:06 -0600
From: "Nathan Guiboche" <nate@...>
Subject: Re: Re: TEQUILA

Up Scotch!!..
Sertorius

From: "Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa"
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: TEQUILA

>I wonder if anyone here has ever had real screech. Not the stuff sold in
>stores as "Screech", but the real stuff from some still. When I was in
>Ottawa at a political convention (won't say which one, kind of embarrassed
>now), we did a shot, kissed a fish, and had to say "I is a Newfoundlander,
>I is". Or something like that. You won't forget screech, or rather, you
>will forget the night you had it.
>
> I, too, like Scotch or Canadian whisky

Scotch and Irish whisky both work for me, depending on the brands.

Palladius

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> I was always taught - Never argue with a fool, it only confuses the
> bystanders.

Very true.

> Otherwise of course I'd love to debate this :-)

I'm with you on this one. But maybe I would need to explain my first post a bit more, since
it obviously caused some irration, as can be judged from Marca Hortensia Maior's post.

Quote: "if you just don't get it, you are no real Romans".

Since Christianity turns out to be of pure Roman origin - namely the cult of Divus Iulius -
we "Romans" and "Nova Romans" should be able to understand and debate this, maybe
more than other people, who are not as knowledgable in this field.

Quote: "Nova Roma must accept Christianity as the one and only superior Roman religion."

The emphasis is on "Roman": the only religion of Roman origin that has survived to this
day is Christianity. So history itself has proven the superiority of the Roman imperial
religio. I didn't mean "superior" as of being better or preferrable over Judaism, Islam or any
other religion for that matter. Rome has always been about religious freedom, even under
Nero. So Marca Hortensia Maior is absolutely right in saying: "Each man and woman to his
own beliefs or philosophy or none at all is the only way for civilized people to behave." I
never meant my post to mean that all new Romans should be Christians or something. :-D

Quote: "All the other aspects of the so-called "pagan belief" of ancient Rome should be
included, lived and pursued"

Now - with this knowledge of Christianity being a continuation of the Julian religion, the
cult of Divus Julius - even more so!!

Quote: "they can only be regarded as additions to the Roman ruler cult"

Which doesn't make them less important, but the highest god of the state was - and still is
for Christians - the Diuus Iulius, aka Iesus. One cannot argue that away.

Quote: "and now think about what a new Rome can really be."

What more things are there, inside Christianity, that we can trace back to Caesar and the
Divi filius? How could a new Rome - including Christianity - look like? How can a new
Christianity itself look like?

Hope to have cleared up that thing about the "fool". Sorry for any misunderstanding.

VALETE

C. ASINIVS POLLIO

Salve, Consul Modianus

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On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, caiusmoraviusbrutus wrote:

> While the Arabic term Ahl al Kitab "people of the book" did
> originally refer specifically to Muslims, Christians and Jews it was
> applied to Zoroastrians after the Islamic conquest/conversion of
> Iran. This was presumably to ease the assimilation of the general
> population much in the same way that the Christians in the west did
> by adopting our feast days and much of our imagery.
>
> There would have been a need to reach some sort of accomodation with
> the followers of Zoroaster as, I believe, "people of the book" have a
> rather different - and superior - status from Pagans under Islamic
> law.

Then I misunderstood some earlier history. I understood that, while the
Muslims extended tolerance (in return for heavier taxes) toward Christians
and Jews, treating Islam as an ethnic Arabic faith, they changed this
policy to active repression after the conquest of Persia, where
Zoroastrians were compelled to convert or flee the country (to India,
where they still exist as Parsee). Thanks for this correction.
-- Publ;ius Livius Triarius

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

> Scotch? If I wanted the taste of bog in my rye whisky, I would drink
> Scotch but otherwise "No." As a famous person once said, "Scotch? It
> was inwented by a little old lady in Leningrad!"

Religious wars are the most savage and intractable of conflicts.

-- Publius Livius Triarius

C. Equitius Cato C. Asinio Pollioni quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete omnes!

Well, that's certainly an imaginative spin on the history of
Christianity. I wonder if Iulius Caesar was acually married to Mary
Magdalene then? This is going to throw a wrench in Dan Brown's
theories...

Vale et valete,

Cato

Salvete Quirites, and Peregrines!

As I hope you've come now to expect, yesterday the usual libation to
Juno was made. Also, as it was the Matronalia, I included a prayer for
the well being of the State, the People, and for our continued existence
and the continuation of the Roman People. Happily, it went without any
problems, save the usual toga problems. As always, I will be happy to
provide the text of the ritual for anyone interested upon request.

Below I have also included the calendar for the remainder of the month,
which I'll likely repost on the Ides.

If there are any questions, comments, concerns, or otherwise, please
don't hesitate to contact me. I'll be happy to respond.

Valete,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus
Pontifex, Fetialis, et Civis Plebeius Romanus

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1 Kal. Mar. D NP
2 a.d. VI Non. Mar. E F Ater
3 a.d. V Non. Mar. F C Religiosus
4 a.d. IV Non. Mar. G C Religiosus
5 a.d. III Non. Mar. H C Religiosus
6 pr. Non. Mar. A C Religiosus
7 Non. Mar. B F Religiosus
8 a.d. VIII Id. Mar. C F Ater
9 a.d. VII Id. Mar. D C Religiosus
10 a.d. VI Id. Mar. E C Religiosus
11 a.d. V Id. Mar. F C Religiosus
12 a.d. IV Id. Mar. G C Religiosus
13 a.d. III Id. Mar. H EN Religiosus
14 pr. Id. Mar. A NP Religiosus
15 Id. Mar. B NP Religiosus
16 a.d. XVII Kal. Apr. C F Ater
17 a.d. XVI Kal. Apr. D NP Religiosus
18 a.d. XV Kal. Apr. E C Religiosus
19 a.d. XIV Kal. Apr. F NP Religiosus
20 a.d. XIII Kal. Apr. G C Religiosus
21 a.d. XII Kal. Apr. H C Religiosus
22 a.d. XI Kal. Apr. A N Religiosus
23 a.d. X Kal. Apr. B NP Religiosus
24 a.d. IX Kal. Apr. C QRCF
25 a.d. VIII Kal. Apr. D C
26 a.d. VII Kal. Apr. E C
27 a.d. VI Kal. Apr. F C
28 a.d. V Kal. Apr. G C
29 a.d. IV Kal. Apr. H C
30 a.d. III Kal. Apr. A C
31 pr. Kal. Apr. B C

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, gaiusequitiuscato wrote:

> C. Equitius Cato C. Asinio Pollioni quiritibusque S.P.D.
>
> Salve et salvete omnes!
>
> Well, that's certainly an imaginative spin on the history of
> Christianity. I wonder if Iulius Caesar was acually married to Mary
> Magdalene then? This is going to throw a wrench in Dan Brown's
> theories...

Not when he died nearly half a century before Jesus' birth.

-- Publius Livius Triarius

Salve Cato,

gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> writes:

> I wonder if Iulius Caesar was acually married to Mary
> Magdalene then?

They had a hot group marriage going. Mary Magdelene was married to Iulius
Caesar *and* Jesus *and* Cleopatra. And they all meditated regularly using
the Weed of Heaven. Yeah, that's it...

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS