C. Equitius Cato Ti. Galerio Paulino P. Tiberiae Straboni S.P.D.

Magistrati, you might also consider using the correct dating: it is
*either*

6 March A.D. 2006/2006 C.E.

*or*

pridie Nones Martias MMDCCLIX A.U.C.

not some odd hybrid of the two. I don't post the calendar (almost)
daily for nothing :-)

Valete bene,

Cato

Salve Cato

It is also

the 7th day of March 2759 a.v.c which what I was using.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

>
> C. Equitius Cato Ti. Galerio Paulino P. Tiberiae Straboni S.P.D.
>
> Magistrati, you might also consider using the correct dating: it

is

> *either*
>
> 6 March A.D. 2006/2006 C.E.
>
> *or*
>
> pridie Nones Martias MMDCCLIX A.U.C.
>
> not some odd hybrid of the two. I don't post the calendar (almost)
> daily for nothing :-)
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato
>

---Salve Equitius Cato:

Well, a petitio cannot be dismissed if there is congruency, having a
beard is an incongruency...things in the Lex Salicia Peonalis are
not incongruency. This all covered in Section C...so although you
are being somewhat more detailed....nobody can dismiss a petition
over what the Praetor may or may not regard as a legitimate claim
under the law. And so we agree on that on most counts.

Do you think I should withdraw the intercessio and istead issue an
edict stating that I shall pronounce intercessio on the dismissal of
any claim of petitio actio held back due to one's failure to use
this address.

??? I can.

Stranger things have happened in NR...rather beaurocratic and
creative reasons for not hearing a claim. And there is a
missing 'or else' to this edict by use of the word 'must', which is
undefined and lasts til the end of Galerius Praetor's term, and
frankly, I am uncomfortable with unknown consequences.

Why not Praetores@... for the Praetoral Edict , and have
this address also at the top of the mainlist website
facepage....that's a common address, and one advertised on the
website. It is not an addie that only people who will sub to either
the ML and Announce list will know about.

These are my concerns. When a 'real' problem strikes...well, then I
think people need access to legal avenues that are their due.

Vale
Pompeia Minucia Strabo


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

>
> C. Equitius Cato P. Tiberiae Straboni Ti. Galerio Paulino Q. Fabio
> Maximo quiritibusque S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> Consul Strabo, an interesting correction to the rationale behind

your

> intercessio. It is not as simple a matter as you would present.

You

> quote the lex Salicia as follows:
>
> "Pars Prima: De Peitione [sic] Actionis
>
> ii. A Praetor can dismiss a Petitio Actionis if and only if

one of

> the following cases applies:
>
> A. A Praetor has no competence in the issue. Example: a

Praetor

> cannot mediate between two foreign parties, for his competence is
> limited to the citizens of Nova Roma
>
> B. The parties are not sui iuris in Nova Roma. Example: a

minor

> cannot play the part of an actor.
>
> C. The claim is incongruent. Example: 'Ticius must be

expelled

> from Nova Roma because he is bearded' is an incongruent claim, for

it

> is not supported by law, precedent or common sense.
>
> Those are the only ways a Praetor may dismiss a petitio."
>
> This is incorrect. If this were in fact the case, then Galerius
> Paulinus could not have dismissed my petitio against your

colleague,

> Modianus. So, there must be other legal instruments by which a
> praetor can dismiss a petitio. Modianus was spared action on my
> petitio because of another law, the lex Equitia de Iurisdictione

I.A.

>
> Let us look carefully at the powers of the praetors in matters

such as

> this.
>
>
> First, the praetors are given the authority:
>
> "To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to engage in those tasks
> which advance the mission and function of Nova Roma and to

administer

> the law (such edicts being binding upon themselves as well as

others)"

> (lex Constitutiva VI.A.3.b)
>
> They are also given imperium (lex Const. VI.A.3.a). Imperium

carries

> with it, under our law, potestas (lex Arminia Equitia de Imperio
> II.A). Potestas in turn gives them:
>
> "Ius coercendi minor, the power to compel obedience in the name of

the

> state, within the duties of the magistrate." (lex Arminia Equitia

de

> Imperio I.A)
>
> So, according to our law, a praetor can, in fact, "compel" (which
> carries with it the appropriateness of the word "must") citizens to
> act in certain ways to adhere to the law within his duties. As

one of

> his primary duties is to administer the law, it follows logically

that

> a praetor can define the circumstances under which he will do so.
>
> To put all of this in short form:
>
> 1. A praetor has the authority to administer the law --- an

authority

> *not* given to the consuls (lex Const.),
> 2. A praetor has imperium (lex Const.),
> 3. A praetor has potestas (lex Arminia &c.),
> 4. Potestas gives the praetor the authority to compel obedience
> within his duties (lex Arminia &c.) --- which, as I've shown,

includes

> administering the law, and
>
> therefore
>
> 5. A praetor has the authority to decide by what mechanisms he

sees

> fit to administer the law, and compel the citizens to obey those
> mechanisms.
>
> You certainly have the right to pronounce intercessio, but I do not
> think that it is a correct interpretation of the law.
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato
>

---Picky Picky :>)

Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

>
> C. Equitius Cato Ti. Galerio Paulino P. Tiberiae Straboni S.P.D.
>
> Magistrati, you might also consider using the correct dating: it

is

> *either*
>
> 6 March A.D. 2006/2006 C.E.
>
> *or*
>
> pridie Nones Martias MMDCCLIX A.U.C.
>
> not some odd hybrid of the two. I don't post the calendar (almost)
> daily for nothing :-)
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato
>

hey, it's really Nisan, 5767!
Maior

> ---Picky Picky :>)
>
> Pompeia
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@>
> wrote:
> >
> > C. Equitius Cato Ti. Galerio Paulino P. Tiberiae Straboni S.P.D.
> >
> > Magistrati, you might also consider using the correct dating:

it

> is
> > *either*
> >
> > 6 March A.D. 2006/2006 C.E.
> >
> > *or*
> >
> > pridie Nones Martias MMDCCLIX A.U.C.
> >
> > not some odd hybrid of the two. I don't post the calendar

(almost)

> > daily for nothing :-)
> >
> > Valete bene,
> >
> > Cato
> >
>

---Salve Tiberius Galerius Praetor:


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
wrote:

>
> Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo
>
> On Feb 20 you issued a call for candidates and stated flatly that
>
> "-all- declarations of candidacy-must- be made in writing to
> Consuls@... to be considered official."
>
>
> "MUST BE MADE"...
>
> How is what I did any different?

Pompeia: Yes, it is different. I assigned a consequence to the
word 'must'... it was 'to be considered official' (candidacies).

You have indicated that all claims of Petitio Actio 'must' be issued
to the address you gave in your edict....or what???
All theoretical legal stuff aside, and I know what you can and
cannot do as Praetor , I am stating that without a consequence
assigned to the word 'must' I dont' know what to expect if people
don't comply to your directive. If the answer to that is that the
petitio will not be heard, then this you may not do, as there is no
section allowing you within law to fail to hear a petition issued to
you through, say, Praetors@ nova roma. org, or by the personal
addresses of the Praetors on the front page of the mainlist. You can
certainly not refuse to hear a petition under Section C of the lex
Salicia, citing it as incongruent, like you could in the case of a
sitting magistrate,who cannot be prosecuted.

But I can drop the intercessio and issue an edict stating that
failure to use an obscurely published email address will not be
upheld by myself as Consul as a reason to dismiss a petition. Again,
such is not great enough grounds for dismissal of same, which is the
worst possible consequence I can think of to your unknown
qualification of the word 'must', and I am not confortable with it
herein, with respect to your imperium and your role as Praetor.

And I know you cannot dismiss what you have not received...but there
is little chance of your not receiving something intended for the
Praetores given the many addresses by which you can be contacted.
There is just little chance that people will be using the address
you have obligated them too....and they cannot be held to it.

How many times are you going to sideskirt talking about the issues
in the name of 'you resigned'?. Yes, yes... in 2002..remember it
well...how can I forget you remind me so often :>)...but it's hardly
an answer for everything, and that's hardly going to satisfy my
apprehensions regarding the matter at hand.

Pompeia

>
> Consuls@... is not either Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com or
> NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com which you have indicated would

be

> legal for a Petitio Actio to a Praetor but would not

be "considered

> official" for elections????
>
>
> Can someone say double standard???
>
> You seem to think this is a violation of The Lex Salicia
> Iudiciaraia. But this lex only applies after a Praetor has
> received a Petitio Actio. It does not apply before one is

received.

>
> I can not dismiss what I have not received.
>
> If you wanted to act as Praetor you should not have resigned the
> office I now hold.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Praetor
>
>
>
> From: Pompeia Minucia Strabo <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...>
> Date: Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:49 pm
> Subject: EDICTUM CONSULARE - CALL FOR CANDIDATES pompeia_minu...
>
>
> EDICTUM CONSULARE - CALL FOR CANDIDATES EDITOR COMMENTARIORUM
>
> Candidatures shall be entertained for the following magisterial
> vacancy until
> March 6 2400 Roma Time, 2006, to wit, the position of Editor
> Commentariorum of
> the Nova Roma periodical "Aquila", said editor to serve the
> remainder of this
> year. Although candidates for this position are encouraged to

place

> their
> resumes before the populace via public fora, -all- declarations of
> candidacy
> -must- be made in writing to Consuls@... to be considered
> official.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>

Salve Consul

"LEX SALICIA IVDICIARIA - PARS PRIMA: DE PETITIONE ACTIONIS
II. The actor must announce the action he is intending to exert to
one of the praetores ("editio actionis"), and then the actor must
ask the praetor to start the procedure ("petitio actionis")."

The law, which establishes judicial procedure in Nova Roma, requires
that the actor "announce the action" to one of the praetors. It does
not specify that publishing the action to the ML is sufficient. Does
publishing the action to the ML constitute announcing it to one of
the Praetors? A matter of interpretation I agree (and since it isn't
the Constitution we can take a stab at interpreting it), but the law
seems to require it be directed to at least one of the Praetors.
This seems to require specific contact, rather than indirect
contact.

I don't think that posting it to the ML would meet the requirement
for specifically announcing it to one or more of the Praetors. The
above section also requires the actor to ask the Praetor to start
the action. Again this implies to me a direct, rather than indirect,
communication with a Praetor

Thus if a citizen doesn't send his announcement direct to a Praetor,
I believe that the conditions required for commencing an action
would not have been fulfilled.

Since the LEX SALICIA IVDICIARIA, which establishes the judicial
process is, to me, worded in a way that requires a direct
communication between citizen and Praetor, it is entirely reasonable
and within the scope of a Praetor's duties to specify the email
address he requires that direct communication sent to, and it
certainly doesn't contradict the LEX SALICIA IVDICIARIA.

Finally while you can veto the Praetor's edict, you cannot
contradict (by virtue of your veto) the law, which of course as we
all should know now by virtue of Section II.B of the Constitution is
a higher legal authority. Your veto would appear to me to violate
the intent of the LEX SALICIA IVDICIARIA, an intent which the
Praetor's edict actually supported and enhanced.

Vale
Cn. Iulius Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> wrote:

>
> ---Salve Equitius Cato:
>
> Well, a petitio cannot be dismissed if there is congruency, having

a

> beard is an incongruency...things in the Lex Salicia Peonalis are
> not incongruency. This all covered in Section C...so although you
> are being somewhat more detailed....nobody can dismiss a petition
> over what the Praetor may or may not regard as a legitimate claim
> under the law. And so we agree on that on most counts.
>
> Do you think I should withdraw the intercessio and istead issue an
> edict stating that I shall pronounce intercessio on the dismissal

of

> any claim of petitio actio held back due to one's failure to use
> this address.
>
> ??? I can.
>

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

If someone needs to contact me, as a Consul, they need not know my
e-mail address. They can go to the contacts section of the Nova Roma
website and issue an e-mail that will go to both consuls. This is
also true of the praetors. To say that this means (ie., via the
website) is not an acceptable means to contact the praetors seems to
be a waste of the e-mail forwarding system we have.

Not everyone checks the main list for edicts, and the website (the
last time I checked) was not being updated with the edicts issued.

Vale;

Modianus

On 3/6/06, Timothy P. Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
> Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo
>
> On Feb 20 you issued a call for candidates and stated flatly that
>
> "-all- declarations of candidacy-must- be made in writing to
> Consuls@... to be considered official."
>
>
> "MUST BE MADE"...
>
> How is what I did any different?
>
> Consuls@... is not either Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com or
> NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com which you have indicated would be
> legal for a Petitio Actio to a Praetor but would not be "considered
> official" for elections????
>
>
> Can someone say double standard???
>
> You seem to think this is a violation of The Lex Salicia
> Iudiciaraia. But this lex only applies after a Praetor has
> received a Petitio Actio. It does not apply before one is received.
>
> I can not dismiss what I have not received.
>
> If you wanted to act as Praetor you should not have resigned the
> office I now hold.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Praetor

Salve Consul Pompeia Minucia Tiberia

"How many times are you going to sideskirt talking about the issues
in the name of 'you resigned'?. Yes, yes... in 2002..remember it
well...how can I forget you remind me so often :>)...but it's hardly
an answer for everything, and that's hardly going to satisfy my
apprehensions regarding the matter at hand."

You can look it up but it is the FIRST time I, ME has ever refereed
to your resignation ( ok now twice)

But to the issue at hand

I issued an edict in furthance of an administrative portion of my
office. If I am not allowed to do even these things without second
guessing from on high what is the point of even holding the office?

The Senior Consul helped make sure emails would get throught to
the address and did not indicate there was anything wrong with my
wish that this is where they go.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> wrote:

>
> ---Salve Tiberius Galerius Praetor:
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo
> >
> > On Feb 20 you issued a call for candidates and stated flatly

that

> >
> > "-all- declarations of candidacy-must- be made in writing to
> > Consuls@ to be considered official."
> >
> >
> > "MUST BE MADE"...
> >
> > How is what I did any different?
>
> Pompeia: Yes, it is different. I assigned a consequence to the
> word 'must'... it was 'to be considered official' (candidacies).
>
> You have indicated that all claims of Petitio Actio 'must' be

issued

> to the address you gave in your edict....or what???
> All theoretical legal stuff aside, and I know what you can and
> cannot do as Praetor , I am stating that without a consequence
> assigned to the word 'must' I dont' know what to expect if people
> don't comply to your directive. If the answer to that is that the
> petitio will not be heard, then this you may not do, as there is

no

> section allowing you within law to fail to hear a petition issued

to

> you through, say, Praetors@ nova roma. org, or by the personal
> addresses of the Praetors on the front page of the mainlist. You

can

> certainly not refuse to hear a petition under Section C of the lex
> Salicia, citing it as incongruent, like you could in the case of a
> sitting magistrate,who cannot be prosecuted.
>
> But I can drop the intercessio and issue an edict stating that
> failure to use an obscurely published email address will not be
> upheld by myself as Consul as a reason to dismiss a petition.

Again,

> such is not great enough grounds for dismissal of same, which is

the

> worst possible consequence I can think of to your unknown
> qualification of the word 'must', and I am not confortable with it
> herein, with respect to your imperium and your role as Praetor.
>
> And I know you cannot dismiss what you have not received...but

there

> is little chance of your not receiving something intended for the
> Praetores given the many addresses by which you can be contacted.
> There is just little chance that people will be using the address
> you have obligated them too....and they cannot be held to it.
>
> How many times are you going to sideskirt talking about the issues
> in the name of 'you resigned'?. Yes, yes... in 2002..remember it
> well...how can I forget you remind me so often :>)...but it's

hardly

> an answer for everything, and that's hardly going to satisfy my
> apprehensions regarding the matter at hand.
>
> Pompeia
> >
> > Consuls@ is not either Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com or
> > NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com which you have indicated would
> be
> > legal for a Petitio Actio to a Praetor but would not
> be "considered
> > official" for elections????
> >
> >
> > Can someone say double standard???
> >
> > You seem to think this is a violation of The Lex Salicia
> > Iudiciaraia. But this lex only applies after a Praetor has
> > received a Petitio Actio. It does not apply before one is
> received.
> >
> > I can not dismiss what I have not received.
> >
> > If you wanted to act as Praetor you should not have resigned

the

> > office I now hold.
> >
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > Praetor
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Pompeia Minucia Strabo <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@>
> > Date: Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:49 pm
> > Subject: EDICTUM CONSULARE - CALL FOR CANDIDATES

pompeia_minu...

> >
> >
> > EDICTUM CONSULARE - CALL FOR CANDIDATES EDITOR COMMENTARIORUM
> >
> > Candidatures shall be entertained for the following

magisterial

> > vacancy until
> > March 6 2400 Roma Time, 2006, to wit, the position of Editor
> > Commentariorum of
> > the Nova Roma periodical "Aquila", said editor to serve the
> > remainder of this
> > year. Although candidates for this position are encouraged to
> place
> > their
> > resumes before the populace via public fora, -all- declarations

of

> > candidacy
> > -must- be made in writing to Consuls@ to be considered
> > official.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
>

sadly, i can't read the latin but would like to learn. perhaps, one fine day, i'll belong in the sodalitas latinitatis. thanks anyways.

"A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote: > Salue, interlocutor inscite, salve, G. Aurelia Falconis Siluana, et saluete,

> omnes!
>
> ATS: GAFS, mitte hanc ad Sodalitatem, amabo te.
>
> i'm definately interested but would like more info. however, the website link
> doesn't seem to work.
>
> ATS: Can you read the Latin? If so, you belong in the sodalitas
> Latinitatis! Please join us! The link is perhaps misspelled, with an extra
> l: it should be conventiculum. Try that. Boreo[o]ccidentalis may help, too.
>
> Valete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
> "G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana" <silvanatextrix@...> wrote: G. Aurelia
> Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.
>
> Here's a feature from the website of BOREOOCDIDENTALIS, based
> out of Wenatchee Valley College in Washington State USA.
>
> Ruins-deprived North American Cives may be interested in
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> already done.
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana
>
> Website: www.wenval.cc/boreooccidentales/boreo_latin/conventilculum.asp
>
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>
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>
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>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> didicerint Latineque iam satis bene legere valeant necdum tamen
> Latine colloqui possint ex animo cohortamur ut hoc conventiculum
> participent primosque suos sermones Latinos nobiscum serant. In
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>
>
>
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>
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> fiduciam loquendi firment.
>
> De Nominibus Dandis ad Conventiculum Participandum
>
> Ad Conventiculum Vasintoniense habendum coniungunt opus et
> vires Collegium Vallis Aqualbensis et Vniversitas Vasintoniae.
> Vt locum in Conventiculo petas mitte schedulam petitionis ad:
> Pam Kelley, Administrative Assistant, Liberal Arts and Sciences,
> Wenatchee Valley College, 1300 Fifth Street, Wenatchee, WA 98801.
>
> Hic ice ut schedulam petitionis depromas.
>
>
> De Deversoriis, Cibis, Pretiis, Talibusque Singulis
>
> Omnia talia singula per studiorum Vniversitatem Vasintoniae
> administrabuntur. Simulatque universitatis ministri condiciones
> omnino patefecerint, Conventiculum participaturos de omnibus
> singulis certiores faciemus necnon praeconium plenius et hoc
> loco statuemus et per cursum electronicum aliterque divulgabimus.
> Pretia autem haec fere fore videntur. Pro duplici conclavi
> solvet quisque cotidie 30 thaleros et pro cibis 15. Qui simplex
> conclave cupiet paulo plus impendet. Quae quidem pretia paulo
> maiora sunt quam quae vel Aquis Albis vel Lexintoniae solvere
> solent plerique; sed si ad pulcherrimam florentissimamque necnon
> et sumptuosiorem urbem Seattli atque etiam ad amoenissimum
> universitatis campum spectatur, talia pretia re vera modica
> apparent. Conventicula Vasintoniensia sunt videlicet multis
> non tantum discendi verum etiam dies feriatos iucundos agendi
> occasiones. Discipulos hortamur ut stipendia a Conventiculo
> petant, quae stidendia non solum ad deversandi ciborumque
> sumptus sed etiam ad excursionum pretia adhiberi poterunt.
>
>

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administration of justice.

Please feel free to send any Petitio Actionis to any e-mail
address that you think is appropriate.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

> Salue, o nameless writer, et saluete, omnes!
>
> sadly, i can't read the latin but would like to learn. perhaps, one fine day,
> i'll belong in the sodalitas latinitatis. thanks anyways.
>
> ATS: It¹s helpful to put a greeting and signature on all posts so that we
> know whom to address. Be that as it may, you and anyone who wants to learn
> Latin, or learn about Latin, and will not be disruptive, is welcome in the
> Sodalitas Latinitatis. We have everyone from rank beginners to world-class
> Latinists along with everything in between. We now have a new system in which
> members are loosely ranked so that their Latin can be improved by working with
> those of similar ability, and so that those whose abilities are the highest
> can assist the magistrates when needed.
>
> The post below was sent by one of my students in the Academia Thules,
> which conducts classes in Latin and other subjects free of charge. We will
> begin new courses in the Fall; there are two methods being used in the
> Academia, and you may also find one of the classes to your liking‹with the
> warning that both methods require a large investment of time which some may
> find difficult to manage.
>
> Incidentally, the post below deals with meetings for the purpose of
> practicing spoken Latin with one of the best known advocates of living Latin‹I
> wouldn¹t say it¹s for beginners, or even intermediate students, but for more
> advanced Latinists, it sounds wonderful.
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
> "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote: > Salue, interlocutor
> inscite, salve, G. Aurelia Falconis Siluana, et saluete,
>> > omnes!
>> >
>> > ATS: GAFS, mitte hanc ad Sodalitatem, amabo te.
>> >
>> > i'm definately interested but would like more info. however, the website
>> link
>> > doesn't seem to work.
>> >
>> > ATS: Can you read the Latin? If so, you belong in the sodalitas
>> > Latinitatis! Please join us! The link is perhaps misspelled, with an
>> extra
>> > l: it should be conventiculum. Try that. Boreo[o]ccidentalis may help,
>> too.
>> >
>> > Valete,
>> >
>> > A. Tullia Scholastica
>> >
>> >
>> > "G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana" <silvanatextrix@...> wrote: G. Aurelia
>> > Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.
>> >
>> > Here's a feature from the website of BOREOOCDIDENTALIS, based
>> > out of Wenatchee Valley College in Washington State USA.
>> >
>> > Ruins-deprived North American Cives may be interested in
>> > supporting colleges and universities that put together such
>> > Conventicula. They are closer to home, and the organizing is
>> > already done.
>> >
>> > Valete bene in pace Deorum
>> >
>> > G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana
>> >
>> > Website: www.wenval.cc/boreooccidentales/boreo_latin/conventilculum.asp
>> >
>> > ==========================================================
>> > Seattli in Vniversitatis Vasintoniensis campo
>> > mense Iunio exeunte ineunteque mense Iulio anni MMVI.
>> >
>> > Sessiones praeparatoriae: diebus 23o et 24o mensis Iunii
>> >
>> > Conventiculum praecipuum: de die 25o usque per diem 1um m. Iulii
>> >
>> >
>> > Moderabuntur
>> >
>> > ▪Stephanus Berard, Ph.D., professor linguarum apud
>> > Studiorum Collegium Vallis Aqualbensis
>> >
>> > ▪Iacobus Dobreff, M.A., Gradus Doctoralis Candidatus apud
>> > Vniversitatem Lundiensem atque unus ex editoribus illius "Axel
>> > Oxenstierna Correspondence Project"
>> >
>> > ▪Akihiko Watanabe, Ph.D., magister praelectorque apud
>> > Facultatem Linguarum Modernarum et Classicarum Vniversitatis
>> > Vasintoniae Occidentalis.
>> >
>> > Aderunt et alii moderatores volubiliter Latine loqui valentes.
>> >
>> > Hoc Conventiculum optimam praebebit occasionem sermonem Latinum
>> > vivissimo modo exercitandi, nam singulis fere diebus excursiones
>> > didascalicas faciemus in quibus licebit participibus non solum
>> > sermones sponte conserere sed etiam omnia quae viderint
>> > fecerintque sermone Latino, adiuvantibus moderatoribus, fuse
>> > describere. Ruri et in hortis colloquemur de arboribus et
>> > plantis, montibus et molibus glacialibus, fluviis, bestiis,
>> > avibus, insectis, caelo aliisque multis. In urbe argumenta
>> > nostra erunt omnia urbana: artes omnes et oblectamenta,
>> > aedificia et vehicula, portus navesque, negotia, tabernae,
>> > libri, vestes, ludi athletici et ita porro. Imprimis placebit
>> > huiusmodi conventiculum eis quibus cordi sint variae amoenitates
>> > locorum (sive rusticorum sive urbanorum) quique ament amice
>> > garrientes variaque facientes modo "kinaesthetico" dicto linguae
>> > peritiam meliorem reddere.
>> >
>> > Quibus sit Idoneum Conventiculum
>> >
>> > Aeque invitantur et ludi magistri et praeceptores scholarum
>> > superiorum et professores, enixeque commendamus conventiculum
>> > hoc studiosis linguarum classicarum graduatis non tantum quod
>> > facultas Latine dicendi peritiam et legendi et scribendi mirum
>> > in modum corroborat verum etiam quod, ut Latinitas viva, quae
>> > nobis cordi est et ad quam nitimur, prorsus renascatur, imprimis
>> > necesse est ipsis futuris praeceptoribus linguam nostram pro
>> > instrumento omnino ad vivendum apto habere eamque ut omnibus
>> > demum rebus humanis, vel modernissimis, exprimendis parem
>> > tractent et doceant. Etiam eos qui fundamenta grammatica Latina
>> > didicerint Latineque iam satis bene legere valeant necdum tamen
>> > Latine colloqui possint ex animo cohortamur ut hoc conventiculum
>> > participent primosque suos sermones Latinos nobiscum serant. In
>> > conventiculis nostris colloquio Latino datis nullo modo est eis
>> > trepidandum erubescendumve qui nondum Latine locuti sint; nam nos fere
>> > omnes potius nuper quam pridem initium Latine loquendi fecimus,
>> > cuius initii difficultatem funditus comprehendimus.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > De Sessionibus Praeparatoriis
>> >
>> > Omnibus qui aliquot loquelae Latinae elementa generalia
>> > exercitare velint erit occasio paucis diebus ante conventiculum
>> > incohatum adveniendi ut diebus 23o et 24o mensis Iunii varias
>> > res familiariores una cum Stephano Berard et Iacobo Dobreff et
>> > forsan aliis moderatoribus Latino sermone celebrent, verba nova
>> > locutionesque utiles discant, linguam sibi aliquantum solvant,
>> > fiduciam loquendi firment.
>> >
>> > De Nominibus Dandis ad Conventiculum Participandum
>> >
>> > Ad Conventiculum Vasintoniense habendum coniungunt opus et
>> > vires Collegium Vallis Aqualbensis et Vniversitas Vasintoniae.
>> > Vt locum in Conventiculo petas mitte schedulam petitionis ad:
>> > Pam Kelley, Administrative Assistant, Liberal Arts and Sciences,
>> > Wenatchee Valley College, 1300 Fifth Street, Wenatchee, WA 98801.
>> >
>> > Hic ice ut schedulam petitionis depromas.
>> >
>> >
>> > De Deversoriis, Cibis, Pretiis, Talibusque Singulis
>> >
>> > Omnia talia singula per studiorum Vniversitatem Vasintoniae
>> > administrabuntur. Simulatque universitatis ministri condiciones
>> > omnino patefecerint, Conventiculum participaturos de omnibus
>> > singulis certiores faciemus necnon praeconium plenius et hoc
>> > loco statuemus et per cursum electronicum aliterque divulgabimus.
>> > Pretia autem haec fere fore videntur. Pro duplici conclavi
>> > solvet quisque cotidie 30 thaleros et pro cibis 15. Qui simplex
>> > conclave cupiet paulo plus impendet. Quae quidem pretia paulo
>> > maiora sunt quam quae vel Aquis Albis vel Lexintoniae solvere
>> > solent plerique; sed si ad pulcherrimam florentissimamque necnon
>> > et sumptuosiorem urbem Seattli atque etiam ad amoenissimum
>> > universitatis campum spectatur, talia pretia re vera modica
>> > apparent. Conventicula Vasintoniensia sunt videlicet multis
>> > non tantum discendi verum etiam dies feriatos iucundos agendi
>> > occasiones. Discipulos hortamur ut stipendia a Conventiculo
>> > petant, quae stidendia non solum ad deversandi ciborumque
>> > sumptus sed etiam ad excursionum pretia adhiberi poterunt.
>> >
>> >
>

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G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Duy Mai, A. Tulliae Scholasticae
omnibusque SPD.

Yea, verily, there were typos. Woe unto they who type in the
wee hours of the morn. Cubitum abire debemus.

Website CORRECTED MARCH 7
www.wenval.cc/boreoccidentales/boreo_latin/conventiculum.asp

If I have again messed up, Google: Circulus Latinus Seattlensis.
The top item on the google hit list should be "Boreoccidentales"

I was also thrown by the single "o" between Boreo and Occidentales.
My apologies. I am forwarding the entire original post, as it is
now a long ways back in the messages.

Valete bene in pace Deorum

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana"
<silvanatextrix@...> wrote:

>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.
>
> Here's a feature from the website of *BOREOCCIDENTALES*, based
> out of Wenatchee Valley College in Washington State USA.
>
> Ruins-deprived North American Cives may be interested in
> supporting colleges and universities that put together such
> Conventicula. They are closer to home, and the organizing is
> already done.
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana
>
> Website CORRECTED MARCH 7

www.wenval.cc/boreoccidentales/boreo_latin/conventiculum.asp

>
> ==========================================================
> Seattli in Vniversitatis Vasintoniensis campo
> mense Iunio exeunte ineunteque mense Iulio anni MMVI.
>
> Sessiones praeparatoriae: diebus 23o et 24o mensis Iunii
>
> Conventiculum praecipuum: de die 25o usque per diem 1um m. Iulii
>
>
> Moderabuntur
>
> ▪Stephanus Berard, Ph.D., professor linguarum apud
> Studiorum Collegium Vallis Aqualbensis
>
> ▪Iacobus Dobreff, M.A., Gradus Doctoralis Candidatus apud
> Vniversitatem Lundiensem atque unus ex editoribus illius "Axel
> Oxenstierna Correspondence Project"
>
> ▪Akihiko Watanabe, Ph.D., magister praelectorque apud
> Facultatem Linguarum Modernarum et Classicarum Vniversitatis
> Vasintoniae Occidentalis.
>
> Aderunt et alii moderatores volubiliter Latine loqui valentes.
>
> Hoc Conventiculum optimam praebebit occasionem sermonem Latinum
> vivissimo modo exercitandi, nam singulis fere diebus excursiones
> didascalicas faciemus in quibus licebit participibus non solum
> sermones sponte conserere sed etiam omnia quae viderint
> fecerintque sermone Latino, adiuvantibus moderatoribus, fuse
> describere. Ruri et in hortis colloquemur de arboribus et
> plantis, montibus et molibus glacialibus, fluviis, bestiis,
> avibus, insectis, caelo aliisque multis. In urbe argumenta
> nostra erunt omnia urbana: artes omnes et oblectamenta,
> aedificia et vehicula, portus navesque, negotia, tabernae,
> libri, vestes, ludi athletici et ita porro. Imprimis placebit
> huiusmodi conventiculum eis quibus cordi sint variae amoenitates
> locorum (sive rusticorum sive urbanorum) quique ament amice
> garrientes variaque facientes modo "kinaesthetico" dicto linguae
> peritiam meliorem reddere.
>
> Quibus sit Idoneum Conventiculum
>
> Aeque invitantur et ludi magistri et praeceptores scholarum
> superiorum et professores, enixeque commendamus conventiculum
> hoc studiosis linguarum classicarum graduatis non tantum quod
> facultas Latine dicendi peritiam et legendi et scribendi mirum
> in modum corroborat verum etiam quod, ut Latinitas viva, quae
> nobis cordi est et ad quam nitimur, prorsus renascatur, imprimis
> necesse est ipsis futuris praeceptoribus linguam nostram pro
> instrumento omnino ad vivendum apto habere eamque ut omnibus
> demum rebus humanis, vel modernissimis, exprimendis parem
> tractent et doceant. Etiam eos qui fundamenta grammatica Latina
> didicerint Latineque iam satis bene legere valeant necdum tamen
> Latine colloqui possint ex animo cohortamur ut hoc conventiculum
> participent primosque suos sermones Latinos nobiscum serant. In
> conventiculis nostris colloquio Latino datis nullo modo est eis
> trepidandum erubescendumve qui nondum Latine locuti sint; nam nos fere
> omnes potius nuper quam pridem initium Latine loquendi fecimus,
> cuius initii difficultatem funditus comprehendimus.
>
>
>
> De Sessionibus Praeparatoriis
>
> Omnibus qui aliquot loquelae Latinae elementa generalia
> exercitare velint erit occasio paucis diebus ante conventiculum
> incohatum adveniendi ut diebus 23o et 24o mensis Iunii varias
> res familiariores una cum Stephano Berard et Iacobo Dobreff et
> forsan aliis moderatoribus Latino sermone celebrent, verba nova
> locutionesque utiles discant, linguam sibi aliquantum solvant,
> fiduciam loquendi firment.
>
> De Nominibus Dandis ad Conventiculum Participandum
>
> Ad Conventiculum Vasintoniense habendum coniungunt opus et
> vires Collegium Vallis Aqualbensis et Vniversitas Vasintoniae.
> Vt locum in Conventiculo petas mitte schedulam petitionis ad:
> Pam Kelley, Administrative Assistant, Liberal Arts and Sciences,
> Wenatchee Valley College, 1300 Fifth Street, Wenatchee, WA 98801.
>
> Hic ice ut schedulam petitionis depromas.
>
>
> De Deversoriis, Cibis, Pretiis, Talibusque Singulis
>
> Omnia talia singula per studiorum Vniversitatem Vasintoniae
> administrabuntur. Simulatque universitatis ministri condiciones
> omnino patefecerint, Conventiculum participaturos de omnibus
> singulis certiores faciemus necnon praeconium plenius et hoc
> loco statuemus et per cursum electronicum aliterque divulgabimus.
> Pretia autem haec fere fore videntur. Pro duplici conclavi
> solvet quisque cotidie 30 thaleros et pro cibis 15. Qui simplex
> conclave cupiet paulo plus impendet. Quae quidem pretia paulo
> maiora sunt quam quae vel Aquis Albis vel Lexintoniae solvere
> solent plerique; sed si ad pulcherrimam florentissimamque necnon
> et sumptuosiorem urbem Seattli atque etiam ad amoenissimum
> universitatis campum spectatur, talia pretia re vera modica
> apparent. Conventicula Vasintoniensia sunt videlicet multis
> non tantum discendi verum etiam dies feriatos iucundos agendi
> occasiones. Discipulos hortamur ut stipendia a Conventiculo
> petant, quae stidendia non solum ad deversandi ciborumque
> sumptus sed etiam ad excursionum pretia adhiberi poterunt.
>

Salve A. T. Scholastica,

Wow, I read it - amazing !!!

Vale,
Marcus Cassius Philippus

----- Original Message -----
From: A. Tullia Scholastica
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] CONVENTUS . . . almost . .Conventiculum.BoreoOccidentalis


> Salue, interlocutor inscite, salve, G. Aurelia Falconis Siluana, et saluete,
> omnes!
>
> ATS: GAFS, mitte hanc ad Sodalitatem, amabo te.
>
> i'm definately interested but would like more info. however, the website link
> doesn't seem to work.
>
> ATS: Can you read the Latin? If so, you belong in the sodalitas
> Latinitatis! Please join us! The link is perhaps misspelled, with an extra
> l: it should be conventiculum. Try that. Boreo[o]ccidentalis may help, too.
>
> Valete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
> "G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana" <silvanatextrix@...> wrote: G. Aurelia
> Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.
>
> Here's a feature from the website of BOREOOCDIDENTALIS, based
> out of Wenatchee Valley College in Washington State USA.
>
> Ruins-deprived North American Cives may be interested in
> supporting colleges and universities that put together such
> Conventicula. They are closer to home, and the organizing is
> already done.
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana
>
> Website: www.wenval.cc/boreooccidentales/boreo_latin/conventilculum.asp
>
> ==========================================================
> Seattli in Vniversitatis Vasintoniensis campo
> mense Iunio exeunte ineunteque mense Iulio anni MMVI.
>
> Sessiones praeparatoriae: diebus 23o et 24o mensis Iunii
>
> Conventiculum praecipuum: de die 25o usque per diem 1um m. Iulii
>
>
> Moderabuntur
>
> ▪Stephanus Berard, Ph.D., professor linguarum apud
> Studiorum Collegium Vallis Aqualbensis
>
> ▪Iacobus Dobreff, M.A., Gradus Doctoralis Candidatus apud
> Vniversitatem Lundiensem atque unus ex editoribus illius "Axel
> Oxenstierna Correspondence Project"
>
> ▪Akihiko Watanabe, Ph.D., magister praelectorque apud
> Facultatem Linguarum Modernarum et Classicarum Vniversitatis
> Vasintoniae Occidentalis.
>
> Aderunt et alii moderatores volubiliter Latine loqui valentes.
>
> Hoc Conventiculum optimam praebebit occasionem sermonem Latinum
> vivissimo modo exercitandi, nam singulis fere diebus excursiones
> didascalicas faciemus in quibus licebit participibus non solum
> sermones sponte conserere sed etiam omnia quae viderint
> fecerintque sermone Latino, adiuvantibus moderatoribus, fuse
> describere. Ruri et in hortis colloquemur de arboribus et
> plantis, montibus et molibus glacialibus, fluviis, bestiis,
> avibus, insectis, caelo aliisque multis. In urbe argumenta
> nostra erunt omnia urbana: artes omnes et oblectamenta,
> aedificia et vehicula, portus navesque, negotia, tabernae,
> libri, vestes, ludi athletici et ita porro. Imprimis placebit
> huiusmodi conventiculum eis quibus cordi sint variae amoenitates
> locorum (sive rusticorum sive urbanorum) quique ament amice
> garrientes variaque facientes modo "kinaesthetico" dicto linguae
> peritiam meliorem reddere.
>
> Quibus sit Idoneum Conventiculum
>
> Aeque invitantur et ludi magistri et praeceptores scholarum
> superiorum et professores, enixeque commendamus conventiculum
> hoc studiosis linguarum classicarum graduatis non tantum quod
> facultas Latine dicendi peritiam et legendi et scribendi mirum
> in modum corroborat verum etiam quod, ut Latinitas viva, quae
> nobis cordi est et ad quam nitimur, prorsus renascatur, imprimis
> necesse est ipsis futuris praeceptoribus linguam nostram pro
> instrumento omnino ad vivendum apto habere eamque ut omnibus
> demum rebus humanis, vel modernissimis, exprimendis parem
> tractent et doceant. Etiam eos qui fundamenta grammatica Latina
> didicerint Latineque iam satis bene legere valeant necdum tamen
> Latine colloqui possint ex animo cohortamur ut hoc conventiculum
> participent primosque suos sermones Latinos nobiscum serant. In
> conventiculis nostris colloquio Latino datis nullo modo est eis
> trepidandum erubescendumve qui nondum Latine locuti sint; nam nos fere
> omnes potius nuper quam pridem initium Latine loquendi fecimus,
> cuius initii difficultatem funditus comprehendimus.
>
>
>
> De Sessionibus Praeparatoriis
>
> Omnibus qui aliquot loquelae Latinae elementa generalia
> exercitare velint erit occasio paucis diebus ante conventiculum
> incohatum adveniendi ut diebus 23o et 24o mensis Iunii varias
> res familiariores una cum Stephano Berard et Iacobo Dobreff et
> forsan aliis moderatoribus Latino sermone celebrent, verba nova
> locutionesque utiles discant, linguam sibi aliquantum solvant,
> fiduciam loquendi firment.
>
> De Nominibus Dandis ad Conventiculum Participandum
>
> Ad Conventiculum Vasintoniense habendum coniungunt opus et
> vires Collegium Vallis Aqualbensis et Vniversitas Vasintoniae.
> Vt locum in Conventiculo petas mitte schedulam petitionis ad:
> Pam Kelley, Administrative Assistant, Liberal Arts and Sciences,
> Wenatchee Valley College, 1300 Fifth Street, Wenatchee, WA 98801.
>
> Hic ice ut schedulam petitionis depromas.
>
>
> De Deversoriis, Cibis, Pretiis, Talibusque Singulis
>
> Omnia talia singula per studiorum Vniversitatem Vasintoniae
> administrabuntur. Simulatque universitatis ministri condiciones
> omnino patefecerint, Conventiculum participaturos de omnibus
> singulis certiores faciemus necnon praeconium plenius et hoc
> loco statuemus et per cursum electronicum aliterque divulgabimus.
> Pretia autem haec fere fore videntur. Pro duplici conclavi
> solvet quisque cotidie 30 thaleros et pro cibis 15. Qui simplex
> conclave cupiet paulo plus impendet. Quae quidem pretia paulo
> maiora sunt quam quae vel Aquis Albis vel Lexintoniae solvere
> solent plerique; sed si ad pulcherrimam florentissimamque necnon
> et sumptuosiorem urbem Seattli atque etiam ad amoenissimum
> universitatis campum spectatur, talia pretia re vera modica
> apparent. Conventicula Vasintoniensia sunt videlicet multis
> non tantum discendi verum etiam dies feriatos iucundos agendi
> occasiones. Discipulos hortamur ut stipendia a Conventiculo
> petant, quae stidendia non solum ad deversandi ciborumque
> sumptus sed etiam ad excursionum pretia adhiberi poterunt.
>
>




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A. Apollonius omnibus sal.

Regardless of the legal niceties (yes, I really did
say that!), I have to say that this is an example of a
basic failure on the part of both this year's consules
to recognize or respect the autonomy of other
magistrates and constitutional bodies. They seem to
regard themselves as the chief executives and all
other magistrates and bodies as their subordinates
whom they can overrule or interfere with at their
pleasure. This is a basic misunderstanding of the
nature of the Roman constitution.

Each elected magistrate is autonomous and answers
directly and exclusively to the populus (or, in the
case of the tribunes and plebejan aediles, to the
plebs). The praetores do not answer to the consules,
and although the consules may in some cases have the
power to overrule them they should do so only with
considerable caution. For a consul to overrule a
praetor in an area which is at the core of the
praetores' traditional constitutional role - the
administration of justice - is extremely irregular and
inappropriate except in extreme circumstances. It
shows a total disregard for constitutional propriety
and for the position of the praetor as the direct
servant of the populus.

I need not mention other recent examples; they will be
fresh in people's minds. I urge the consules to give
very careful thought to the proper role of a consul in
the constitutional system and to stop their policy of
interfering in matters which are outside their proper
and traditional jurisdiction. If they have concerns
about the way other magistrates and constitutional
bodies are doing their jobs, they should try to
persuade before trying to overrule, and if persuasion
fails they should submit their disputes to the senate.



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Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Nonis Martiis; haec dies fastus est.

"The Nones of March are free of meetings, because it's thought
The temple of Veiovis was consecrated today before the two groves.
When Romulus ringed his grove with a high stone wall,
He said: `Whoever takes refuge here, they will be safe.'
O from how tenuous a beginning the Romans sprang!
How little that crowd of old are to be envied!
But so the strange name won't confuse you, unknowingly,
Learn who this god is, and why he is so called.
He is the young Jupiter: see his youthful face:
Then see his hand, holding no lightening bolt.
Jove carried his lightning bolts after the Giants dared
Their attempt on the heavens: at first he was unarmed.
Ossa blazed with his new fires, and Pelion higher than Ossa,
And Olympus rooted to the solid earth.
A she-goat stands there too: they say the Cretan nymphs
Nursed the god: and she gave her milk to the infant Jove.
Now I'm called on to explain the name. Farmers call
Stunted grain vegrandia, and what's feeble vesca.
If that's the meaning, why should I not suspect
That the shrine of Veiovis is that of Little Jupiter?
Now when the stars glitter in the dark-blue sky,
Look up: you'll see the head of Gorgonian Pegasus.
It's said he leapt from the fecund neck of dead Medusa,
His mane drenched with her blood.
As he glided above the clouds, beneath the stars,
The sky was his earth, wings acted instead of feet,
And soon he champed indignantly on the fresh bit,
So that his light hoof created Helicon's Aonian spring.
Now he enjoys the sky, that his wings once sought,
And glitters there brightly with his fifteen stars." - Ovid, Fasti III

"Secondly, finding that many of the cities in Italy were very badly
governed, both by tyrannies and by oligarchies, he undertook to
welcome and attract to himself the fugitives from these cities, who
were very numerous, paying no regard either to their calamities or to
their fortunes, provided only they were free men. His purpose was to
increase the power of the Romans and to lessen that of their
neighbours; but he invented a specious pretext for his course, making
it appear that he was showing honour to a god. For he consecrated the
place between the Capitol and the citadel which is now called in the
language of the Romans "the space between the two groves," — a term
that was really descriptive at that time of the actual conditions, as
the place was shaded by thick woods on both sides where it joined the
hills, — and made it an asylum for suppliants. And built a temple
there, — but to what god or divinity he dedicated it I cannot say for
certain, — he engaged, under the colour of religion, to protect those
who fled to it from suffering any harm at the hands of their enemies;
and if they chose to remain with him, he promised them citizenship and
a share of the land he should take from the enemy. And people came
flocking thither from all parts, fleeing from their calamities at
home; nor had they afterwards any thought of removing to any other
place, but were held there by daily instances of his sociability and
kindness." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 1.15.1-4

"Meantime the City was growing by the extension of its walls in
various directions an increase due rather to the anticipation of its
future population than to any present overcrowding. His next care was
to secure an addition to the population that the size of the City
might not be a source of weakness. It had been the ancient policy of
the founders of cities to get together a multitude of people of
obscure and low origin and then to spread the fiction that they were
the children of the soil. In accordance with this policy, Romulus
opened a place of refuge on the spot where, as you go down from the
Capitol, you find an enclosed space between two groves. A promiscuous
crowd of freemen and slaves, eager for change, fled thither from the
neighbouring states. This was the first accession of strength to the
nascent greatness of the city." - Livy, History of Rome 1.7

Veiovis (Vediovis) is one of the oldest of the Roman gods. He is a god
of healing, and was later associated with the Greek Asclepius. He was
mostly worshipped in Rome and Bovillae in Latium. On the Capitoline
Hill and on the Tiber Island temples were erected in his honor. In
spring, goats were sacrificed to avert plagues. Veiovis is portrayed
as a young man, holding a bunch of arrows (or lightning bolts) in his
hand, and is accompanied by a goat. He is probably based on the
Etruscan god Veive.

The Temple of Veiovis was only brought to light in 1939, during the
excavation underneath Piazza del Campidoglio for the creation of the
Gallery Junction. The parts of the building which make up the Palazzo
Senatorio are superimposed both over the temple and over the nearby
Tabularium, thereby managing to obscure the Roman building almost
completely and as a result saving it from destruction.

According to ancient sources, and based on the discovery, in the area
of the cella, of a marble statue used for religious purposes, it has
been possible to identify the divinity to whom this temple was
dedicated: Veiovis, the youthful God of the underworld who was the
ancient Italic version of Jupiter. Latin authors define its position
as being "inter duos lucos", that is to say between two sacred woods
situated on the two heights of the Capitoline Hill. In the same area
was also situated the Asylum, where, legend has it, Romulus extended
hospitality to fugitives from other parts of the Latium region, in
order to populate the new city which he founded.

Consecrated in 196 B.C. by Consul Lucius Furius Purpurio in the Battle
of Cremona during the war against the Boii Gauls, the temple was then
dedicated in 192 B.C. by Quintus Marcius Ralla.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Livy, Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Veiovis
(http://www.pantheon.org/articles/v/veiovis.html), Temple of Veiovis
(http://www.museicapitolini.org/en/museo/sezioni.asp?l1=5&l2=5)

F. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

I have tried recently to get in touch with the Propraetor of Austrorientalis, M. Vitellius Legus, concerning the tax issue but he has not responded to my private email nor one to the provincial website. Someone in the Senate should make contact with him to find out if he has had some unexpected situation that has caused him to drop out of touch. However, I would not say that he is "non-existant."

<snip>

M. Hortensia Tribunis Quiritibusque spd;
No wonder I've heard nothing from the Prop. of America
Austrorientalis, he's been misplaced;-).

Please correct this error on the Senate agenda, and place Marcus
Vitellius Legus in the correct Province. And kindly do not prorogue
him- he is non-existant! I tried to get a group together for a
November meeting in S. Carolina, a big Legio meet-up and he did
nothing to further this.

<snip>

> Marcus Vitellius Legus: America Austroccidentalis

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Salvete, omnes -

I just ran across a calendar, in PDF format, that lists events in the
history of Rome for every day of the calendar. The author, according to
the introduction, has spent a number of years assembling the information
from many sources (listed at the end.)

http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/Calendar.pdf

If nothing else, it's a fun read.


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Ex ungue leonem.
You know the lion from its claw.
-- N/A

P. Memmius Albucius Cordo Consulibus omnibusque s.d.

S.V.G.E.R.

Just some thoughts.

As you, Corde, has well reminded it, each magistrate is free to
organize her/his work unless she/he violates the law.

Here, Consul Strabo thought that the choice of a specific address to
receive the petitiones actionis was a violation.

The case is clear : every address which is specified in a lex is
mandatory for the concerned magistrate ; every other ones are not.

For these last ones, each magistrate has the full power, in her/his
field of power, to set the *administrative* rules that she/he sees
appropriate to set in order to have her/his office fulfilled.
Magistrate X could create a specific address, ask cives to write
her/him to a personal address, etc. But he/she legally may ask
citizens to write to a NR general address. This is just *her/his
problem*, and *her/his responsibility*. If this magistrate thinks
easier to check a mailbox as crowded as a railroad station hall, it
is *up to her/him*. If he/she failed, the citizen may ask her/him
for explanations. This is *just a matter of proof, regarding the
citizen*.

So here, defining an address for the ordinary working of a justice
office falls into the administrative power of the praetor.

Naturally, a consul may veto a praetorian act. But our constitution
says also that praetores authorizes to "issue those edicta (edicts)
necessary to engage in those tasks which advance the mission and
function of Nova Roma and to administer the law (such edicts being
binding upon themselves as well as others);".

So, once again one constitutional rule vs another ?

Consul Strabo's intent was good : to help the praetores not to loose
letters from citizens, because she felt that our citizen's rights
could be in danger. Praetor Paulinus's edict was goodwilling, too.

So I agree with you, Corde. And I think that the consulate has such
a dynamic and leading place in our institutions that it is a little
bit sad seeing it loosing time in such interventions. For if there
is really a danger for the people, I guess one of our five esteemed
tribunes would react.

We need quiet and firm institutions, which think and consult if
necessary before acting, and then take clear and wise decisions
which may not be contested every day by our citizens. No doubt,
Corde, that you will be heard.

Vale, ac valete omnes.


P. Memmius Albucius






--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:

>
> A. Apollonius omnibus sal.
>
> Regardless of the legal niceties (yes, I really did
> say that!), I have to say that this is an example of a
> basic failure on the part of both this year's consules
> to recognize or respect the autonomy of other
> magistrates and constitutional bodies. They seem to
> regard themselves as the chief executives and all
> other magistrates and bodies as their subordinates
> whom they can overrule or interfere with at their
> pleasure. This is a basic misunderstanding of the
> nature of the Roman constitution.
>
> Each elected magistrate is autonomous and answers
> directly and exclusively to the populus (or, in the
> case of the tribunes and plebejan aediles, to the
> plebs). The praetores do not answer to the consules,
> and although the consules may in some cases have the
> power to overrule them they should do so only with
> considerable caution. For a consul to overrule a
> praetor in an area which is at the core of the
> praetores' traditional constitutional role - the
> administration of justice - is extremely irregular and
> inappropriate except in extreme circumstances. It
> shows a total disregard for constitutional propriety
> and for the position of the praetor as the direct
> servant of the populus.
>
> I need not mention other recent examples; they will be
> fresh in people's minds. I urge the consules to give
> very careful thought to the proper role of a consul in
> the constitutional system and to stop their policy of
> interfering in matters which are outside their proper
> and traditional jurisdiction. If they have concerns
> about the way other magistrates and constitutional
> bodies are doing their jobs, they should try to
> persuade before trying to overrule, and if persuasion
> fails they should submit their disputes to the senate.
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
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M. Hortensia Fl. Galerio Aureliano spd;
well Flave Galeri where is M. Vitellius Ligus and what
is he doing? To be fair our Provincia is just too large, but I haven't
seen anything of him or even a report.
bene vale
M. Hortensia Maior


However, I would not say that he is "non-existant."

Salve, Semmie

Welcome to Nova Roma!
So, you know Roman literature. Fantastic! I invite you to check out our For The Muses group, where we honor all the Roman Arts.
www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ForTheMuses
Good to have you with us. :)

Vale bene in pace Deorum,

Maxima Valeria Messallina


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Ave!

I'm Semmie17 and was invited here by Senator WCG. I teach Ancient, Medieval and Classical literature at a small university in the great plains region, and am female, 42 and single.

I'll lurk for a bit, but I've got lots of questions since I'm more familiar with Greek and Roman literature than history.

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F. Galerius Aurelianus flamen Cerialis S.P.D.

I am going to take a short sabbatical for approximately 10 days to
meditate on my future actions both within the CP and NR. Clearly, I
have not been giving either organization my full attention or I would
have seen certain actions in an entirely different light. Be well all.

Salve F. Galeri Aureliane,

Thanks for letting us know. It never hurts to take a little time off
to clear one's head.
This is day 72 for me in the bush of Northern BC. I've been out on an
intense drilling progam without any breaks but alas I shall be home
this weekend. I have lots of catching up to do on a course and only
have had barely enough time to attend to my official duties in NR. I
must say that I am starting to get a little squirrely out here because
when moccasins start looking like high heels, tis time to hit the road.
I shall probably follow your example upon my return and go into a a
meditative mode... ah save St. Patrick's day!

Regards,

QSP




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...>
wrote:

>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus flamen Cerialis S.P.D.
>
> I am going to take a short sabbatical for approximately 10 days to
> meditate on my future actions both within the CP and NR. Clearly, I
> have not been giving either organization my full attention or I

would

> have seen certain actions in an entirely different light. Be well

all.

>

> Salue, M. Cassi Philippe, et saluete, omnes!
>
> Salve A. T. Scholastica,
>
> Wow, I read it - amazing !!!
>
> ATS: Isn¹t it, though? You CAN understand Latin! I don¹t think you¹re
> up to reading that entire long text below, but you can read a bit even now,
> with only 19 of Wheelock¹s 40 lessons behind you (and that, too, barely behind
> you...).
>
> Vale,
> Marcus Cassius Philippus
>
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: A. Tullia Scholastica
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] CONVENTUS . . . almost .
> .Conventiculum.BoreoOccidentalis
>
>
>> > Salue, interlocutor inscite, salve, G. Aurelia Falconis Siluana, et
>> saluete,
>> > omnes!
>> >
>> > ATS: GAFS, mitte hanc ad Sodalitatem, amabo te.
>> >
>> > i'm definately interested but would like more info. however, the website
>> link
>> > doesn't seem to work.
>> >
>> > ATS: Can you read the Latin? If so, you belong in the sodalitas
>> > Latinitatis! Please join us! The link is perhaps misspelled, with an >>

extra

>> > l: it should be conventiculum. Try that. Boreo[o]ccidentalis may help,
>> too.
>> >
>> > Valete,
>> >
>> > A. Tullia Scholastica
>> >
>> >
>> > "G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana" <silvanatextrix@...> wrote: G.
>> Aurelia
>> > Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.
>> >
>> > Here's a feature from the website of BOREOOCDIDENTALIS, based
>> > out of Wenatchee Valley College in Washington State USA.
>> >
>> > Ruins-deprived North American Cives may be interested in
>> > supporting colleges and universities that put together such
>> > Conventicula. They are closer to home, and the organizing is
>> > already done.
>> >
>> > Valete bene in pace Deorum
>> >
>> > G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana
>> >
>> > Website: www.wenval.cc/boreooccidentales/boreo_latin/conventilculum.asp
>> >
>> > ==========================================================
>> > Seattli in Vniversitatis Vasintoniensis campo
>> > mense Iunio exeunte ineunteque mense Iulio anni MMVI.
>> >
>> > Sessiones praeparatoriae: diebus 23o et 24o mensis Iunii
>> >
>> > Conventiculum praecipuum: de die 25o usque per diem 1um m. Iulii
>> >
>> >
>> > Moderabuntur
>> >
>> > ▪Stephanus Berard, Ph.D., professor linguarum apud
>> > Studiorum Collegium Vallis Aqualbensis
>> >
>> > ▪Iacobus Dobreff, M.A., Gradus Doctoralis Candidatus apud
>> > Vniversitatem Lundiensem atque unus ex editoribus illius "Axel
>> > Oxenstierna Correspondence Project"
>> >
>> > ▪Akihiko Watanabe, Ph.D., magister praelectorque apud
>> > Facultatem Linguarum Modernarum et Classicarum Vniversitatis
>> > Vasintoniae Occidentalis.
>> >
>> > Aderunt et alii moderatores volubiliter Latine loqui valentes.
>> >
>> > Hoc Conventiculum optimam praebebit occasionem sermonem Latinum
>> > vivissimo modo exercitandi, nam singulis fere diebus excursiones
>> > didascalicas faciemus in quibus licebit participibus non solum
>> > sermones sponte conserere sed etiam omnia quae viderint
>> > fecerintque sermone Latino, adiuvantibus moderatoribus, fuse
>> > describere. Ruri et in hortis colloquemur de arboribus et
>> > plantis, montibus et molibus glacialibus, fluviis, bestiis,
>> > avibus, insectis, caelo aliisque multis. In urbe argumenta
>> > nostra erunt omnia urbana: artes omnes et oblectamenta,
>> > aedificia et vehicula, portus navesque, negotia, tabernae,
>> > libri, vestes, ludi athletici et ita porro. Imprimis placebit
>> > huiusmodi conventiculum eis quibus cordi sint variae amoenitates
>> > locorum (sive rusticorum sive urbanorum) quique ament amice
>> > garrientes variaque facientes modo "kinaesthetico" dicto linguae
>> > peritiam meliorem reddere.
>> >
>> > Quibus sit Idoneum Conventiculum
>> >
>> > Aeque invitantur et ludi magistri et praeceptores scholarum
>> > superiorum et professores, enixeque commendamus conventiculum
>> > hoc studiosis linguarum classicarum graduatis non tantum quod
>> > facultas Latine dicendi peritiam et legendi et scribendi mirum
>> > in modum corroborat verum etiam quod, ut Latinitas viva, quae
>> > nobis cordi est et ad quam nitimur, prorsus renascatur, imprimis
>> > necesse est ipsis futuris praeceptoribus linguam nostram pro
>> > instrumento omnino ad vivendum apto habere eamque ut omnibus
>> > demum rebus humanis, vel modernissimis, exprimendis parem
>> > tractent et doceant. Etiam eos qui fundamenta grammatica Latina
>> > didicerint Latineque iam satis bene legere valeant necdum tamen
>> > Latine colloqui possint ex animo cohortamur ut hoc conventiculum
>> > participent primosque suos sermones Latinos nobiscum serant. In
>> > conventiculis nostris colloquio Latino datis nullo modo est eis
>> > trepidandum erubescendumve qui nondum Latine locuti sint; nam nos fere
>> > omnes potius nuper quam pridem initium Latine loquendi fecimus,
>> > cuius initii difficultatem funditus comprehendimus.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > De Sessionibus Praeparatoriis
>> >
>> > Omnibus qui aliquot loquelae Latinae elementa generalia
>> > exercitare velint erit occasio paucis diebus ante conventiculum
>> > incohatum adveniendi ut diebus 23o et 24o mensis Iunii varias
>> > res familiariores una cum Stephano Berard et Iacobo Dobreff et
>> > forsan aliis moderatoribus Latino sermone celebrent, verba nova
>> > locutionesque utiles discant, linguam sibi aliquantum solvant,
>> > fiduciam loquendi firment.
>> >
>> > De Nominibus Dandis ad Conventiculum Participandum
>> >
>> > Ad Conventiculum Vasintoniense habendum coniungunt opus et
>> > vires Collegium Vallis Aqualbensis et Vniversitas Vasintoniae.
>> > Vt locum in Conventiculo petas mitte schedulam petitionis ad:
>> > Pam Kelley, Administrative Assistant, Liberal Arts and Sciences,
>> > Wenatchee Valley College, 1300 Fifth Street, Wenatchee, WA 98801.
>> >
>> > Hic ice ut schedulam petitionis depromas.
>> >
>> >
>> > De Deversoriis, Cibis, Pretiis, Talibusque Singulis
>> >
>> > Omnia talia singula per studiorum Vniversitatem Vasintoniae
>> > administrabuntur. Simulatque universitatis ministri condiciones
>> > omnino patefecerint, Conventiculum participaturos de omnibus
>> > singulis certiores faciemus necnon praeconium plenius et hoc
>> > loco statuemus et per cursum electronicum aliterque divulgabimus.
>> > Pretia autem haec fere fore videntur. Pro duplici conclavi
>> > solvet quisque cotidie 30 thaleros et pro cibis 15. Qui simplex
>> > conclave cupiet paulo plus impendet. Quae quidem pretia paulo
>> > maiora sunt quam quae vel Aquis Albis vel Lexintoniae solvere
>> > solent plerique; sed si ad pulcherrimam florentissimamque necnon
>> > et sumptuosiorem urbem Seattli atque etiam ad amoenissimum
>> > universitatis campum spectatur, talia pretia re vera modica
>> > apparent. Conventicula Vasintoniensia sunt videlicet multis
>> > non tantum discendi verum etiam dies feriatos iucundos agendi
>> > occasiones. Discipulos hortamur ut stipendia a Conventiculo
>> > petant, quae stidendia non solum ad deversandi ciborumque
>> > sumptus sed etiam ad excursionum pretia adhiberi poterunt.
>> >
>> >
>
>
>

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> A. Tullia Scholastica G. Aureliae Falconis Siluanae quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque bonae uoluntatis s.p.d.
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Duy Mai, A. Tulliae Scholasticae
> omnibusque SPD.
>
> Yea, verily, there were typos. Woe unto they who type in the
> wee hours of the morn. Cubitum abire debemus.
>
> ATS: Re uera. Cubitum ire debemus, et dum oculi aperti sunt, sed labor nos
> uocat, et in laborando, oculi hebetant.
>
> Website CORRECTED MARCH 7
> www.wenval.cc/boreoccidentales/boreo_latin/conventiculum.asp
>
> If I have again messed up, Google: Circulus Latinus Seattlensis.
> The top item on the google hit list should be "Boreoccidentales"
>
> I was also thrown by the single "o" between Boreo and Occidentales.
>
> ATS: They¹re sneaky.
>
> My apologies. I am forwarding the entire original post, as it is
> now a long ways back in the messages.
>
> ATS: Plurimas gratias, et pro renuntiatione a te ad sodalitatem missa.
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana"
> <silvanatextrix@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnes SPD.
>> >
>> > Here's a feature from the website of *BOREOCCIDENTALES*, based
>> > out of Wenatchee Valley College in Washington State USA.
>> >
>> > Ruins-deprived North American Cives may be interested in
>> > supporting colleges and universities that put together such
>> > Conventicula. They are closer to home, and the organizing is
>> > already done.
>> >
>> > Valete bene in pace Deorum
>> >
>> > G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana
>> >
>> > Website CORRECTED MARCH 7
> www.wenval.cc/boreoccidentales/boreo_latin/conventiculum.asp
>> >
>> > ==========================================================
>> > Seattli in Vniversitatis Vasintoniensis campo
>> > mense Iunio exeunte ineunteque mense Iulio anni MMVI.
>> >
>> > Sessiones praeparatoriae: diebus 23o et 24o mensis Iunii
>> >
>> > Conventiculum praecipuum: de die 25o usque per diem 1um m. Iulii
>> >
>> >
>> > Moderabuntur
>> >
>> > ▪Stephanus Berard, Ph.D., professor linguarum apud
>> > Studiorum Collegium Vallis Aqualbensis
>> >
>> > ▪Iacobus Dobreff, M.A., Gradus Doctoralis Candidatus apud
>> > Vniversitatem Lundiensem atque unus ex editoribus illius "Axel
>> > Oxenstierna Correspondence Project"
>> >
>> > ▪Akihiko Watanabe, Ph.D., magister praelectorque apud
>> > Facultatem Linguarum Modernarum et Classicarum Vniversitatis
>> > Vasintoniae Occidentalis.
>> >
>> > Aderunt et alii moderatores volubiliter Latine loqui valentes.
>> >
>> > Hoc Conventiculum optimam praebebit occasionem sermonem Latinum
>> > vivissimo modo exercitandi, nam singulis fere diebus excursiones
>> > didascalicas faciemus in quibus licebit participibus non solum
>> > sermones sponte conserere sed etiam omnia quae viderint
>> > fecerintque sermone Latino, adiuvantibus moderatoribus, fuse
>> > describere. Ruri et in hortis colloquemur de arboribus et
>> > plantis, montibus et molibus glacialibus, fluviis, bestiis,
>> > avibus, insectis, caelo aliisque multis. In urbe argumenta
>> > nostra erunt omnia urbana: artes omnes et oblectamenta,
>> > aedificia et vehicula, portus navesque, negotia, tabernae,
>> > libri, vestes, ludi athletici et ita porro. Imprimis placebit
>> > huiusmodi conventiculum eis quibus cordi sint variae amoenitates
>> > locorum (sive rusticorum sive urbanorum) quique ament amice
>> > garrientes variaque facientes modo "kinaesthetico" dicto linguae
>> > peritiam meliorem reddere.
>> >
>> > Quibus sit Idoneum Conventiculum
>> >
>> > Aeque invitantur et ludi magistri et praeceptores scholarum
>> > superiorum et professores, enixeque commendamus conventiculum
>> > hoc studiosis linguarum classicarum graduatis non tantum quod
>> > facultas Latine dicendi peritiam et legendi et scribendi mirum
>> > in modum corroborat verum etiam quod, ut Latinitas viva, quae
>> > nobis cordi est et ad quam nitimur, prorsus renascatur, imprimis
>> > necesse est ipsis futuris praeceptoribus linguam nostram pro
>> > instrumento omnino ad vivendum apto habere eamque ut omnibus
>> > demum rebus humanis, vel modernissimis, exprimendis parem
>> > tractent et doceant. Etiam eos qui fundamenta grammatica Latina
>> > didicerint Latineque iam satis bene legere valeant necdum tamen
>> > Latine colloqui possint ex animo cohortamur ut hoc conventiculum
>> > participent primosque suos sermones Latinos nobiscum serant. In
>> > conventiculis nostris colloquio Latino datis nullo modo est eis
>> > trepidandum erubescendumve qui nondum Latine locuti sint; nam nos fere
>> > omnes potius nuper quam pridem initium Latine loquendi fecimus,
>> > cuius initii difficultatem funditus comprehendimus.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > De Sessionibus Praeparatoriis
>> >
>> > Omnibus qui aliquot loquelae Latinae elementa generalia
>> > exercitare velint erit occasio paucis diebus ante conventiculum
>> > incohatum adveniendi ut diebus 23o et 24o mensis Iunii varias
>> > res familiariores una cum Stephano Berard et Iacobo Dobreff et
>> > forsan aliis moderatoribus Latino sermone celebrent, verba nova
>> > locutionesque utiles discant, linguam sibi aliquantum solvant,
>> > fiduciam loquendi firment.
>> >
>> > De Nominibus Dandis ad Conventiculum Participandum
>> >
>> > Ad Conventiculum Vasintoniense habendum coniungunt opus et
>> > vires Collegium Vallis Aqualbensis et Vniversitas Vasintoniae.
>> > Vt locum in Conventiculo petas mitte schedulam petitionis ad:
>> > Pam Kelley, Administrative Assistant, Liberal Arts and Sciences,
>> > Wenatchee Valley College, 1300 Fifth Street, Wenatchee, WA 98801.
>> >
>> > Hic ice ut schedulam petitionis depromas.
>> >
>> >
>> > De Deversoriis, Cibis, Pretiis, Talibusque Singulis
>> >
>> > Omnia talia singula per studiorum Vniversitatem Vasintoniae
>> > administrabuntur. Simulatque universitatis ministri condiciones
>> > omnino patefecerint, Conventiculum participaturos de omnibus
>> > singulis certiores faciemus necnon praeconium plenius et hoc
>> > loco statuemus et per cursum electronicum aliterque divulgabimus.
>> > Pretia autem haec fere fore videntur. Pro duplici conclavi
>> > solvet quisque cotidie 30 thaleros et pro cibis 15. Qui simplex
>> > conclave cupiet paulo plus impendet. Quae quidem pretia paulo
>> > maiora sunt quam quae vel Aquis Albis vel Lexintoniae solvere
>> > solent plerique; sed si ad pulcherrimam florentissimamque necnon
>> > et sumptuosiorem urbem Seattli atque etiam ad amoenissimum
>> > universitatis campum spectatur, talia pretia re vera modica
>> > apparent. Conventicula Vasintoniensia sunt videlicet multis
>> > non tantum discendi verum etiam dies feriatos iucundos agendi
>> > occasiones. Discipulos hortamur ut stipendia a Conventiculo
>> > petant, quae stidendia non solum ad deversandi ciborumque
>> > sumptus sed etiam ad excursionum pretia adhiberi poterunt.
>> >
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C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete omnes.

It is with great sadness and regret that I must announce my resignation
as Censor and Senator of Nova Roma, and as the Provincial Legate of the
Massachusetts Regio of Nova Britannia. Unfortunately I find myself
facing a possible conflict of interest between my duties as a corporate
officer and member of the board of directors of Nova Roma and a
potential career in a sensitive position within the United States
Government. I have given the matter a great deal of thought over the
past few weeks, and I have realized that I cannot take the chance that
my position within Nova Roma may put a once in a lifetime career
opportunity at risk.

I intend to remain a private citizen of Nova Roma and member of the
Collegium Pontificum for as long as my changing situation allows.

I would like to thank those citizens who supported my candidacy for
Censor, and I am truly sorry if I have let you down.

Valete bene,
--
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
c.minucius.hadrianus@...

"What does it matter by which wisdom each of us arrives at the truth? It
is not possible that only road leads to so sublime a mystery."
- Quintus Aurelius Symmachus c. 340-c.402

"We are all, so far as we inherit the civilization of Europe, still
citizens of the Roman Empire, and time as not yet proved Virgil wrong
when he wrote:
/nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

-T.S. Eliot

"/His ego nec metas rerum nec tempora pono: imperium sine fine dedi./"

"For the achievement of these people I fix neither spatial boundaries or
temporal limits: I have given them empire without end."

-Virgil, /Aeneid/ I.278,279

Well, I for one, have NO doubt you, Philippe, (as you clearly stated)
read the long passage on the link. I've been plodding onward
in Wheelock myself, and am on Chapter 24 now, and found the
passage largely a more than doable read in about 10 minutes
at most, needing my well-thumbed old dictionary a few times
here and there. I think you were more than up to handling it,
too. I also encourage the use of texts that would allow you
to review old stuff by giving you (yes, edited) passages that
use the knowledge you've learned. It's a delight to do this,
and builds confidence. There are legions of texts that do this:
Cambridge, Oxford, the old Latin Made Simple is a gem, Latin
for Dummies suited me just fine, the Vulgate is a great way to
get a grip on vocabulary and grammar (the Psalms are superb:
old Jerome is a likeable old coot), gee, I'd have to list twenty
more titles if I visited my library. I really like Latin for
Americans. Much of this is anything but baby Latin, by the way.
Wheelock, after all, is edited for the learner. After all, it's
all about learning in a fun way. I haven't a doubt, Philippe,
that you read it and understood it. Kim

> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae uoluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
> Well, I for one, have NO doubt you, Philippe, (as you clearly stated)
> read the long passage on the link. I've been plodding onward
> in Wheelock myself, and am on Chapter 24 now, and found the
> passage largely a more than doable read in about 10 minutes
> at most, needing my well-thumbed old dictionary a few times
> here and there. I think you were more than up to handling it,
> too. I also encourage the use of texts that would allow you
> to review old stuff by giving you (yes, edited) passages that
> use the knowledge you've learned. It's a delight to do this,
> and builds confidence. There are legions of texts that do this:
> Cambridge, Oxford, the old Latin Made Simple is a gem, Latin
> for Dummies suited me just fine, the Vulgate is a great way to
> get a grip on vocabulary and grammar (the Psalms are superb:
> old Jerome is a likeable old coot), gee, I'd have to list twenty
> more titles if I visited my library. I really like Latin for
> Americans. Much of this is anything but baby Latin, by the way.
>
> ATS: Latin for Americans isn¹t...
>
> I rather suspect that the grammar and vocabulary in the Vulgate aren¹t
> quite classical, and doubt that it¹s everyone¹s cup of tea. Some might enjoy
> it, though.
>
>
> Wheelock, after all, is edited for the learner. After all, it's
> all about learning in a fun way. I haven't a doubt, Philippe,
> that you read it and understood it. Kim
>
> ATS: I suspect that MCP did in fact read the passage‹but there is plenty
> of grammar and vocabulary not yet introduced in Wheelock, as well as a good
> bit of vocabulary which is to be found in Assimil, but not Wheelock. It¹s
> just possible, then, that he didn¹t understand the gerunds and gerundives,
> participles, superlative and comparative adjectives, ablatives absolute,
> locatives, and subjunctives to be found therein. He and the other class
> members haven¹t had these little grammatical goodies‹and won¹t see some of
> them for another year, given our moderate pace. There are also a few
> instances of fifth declension nouns, whereas that simple declension will await
> the class in their last lesson. Certainly by now anyone in the class can make
> some sense out of this passage, but full understanding may not be present.
> Not everyone has been busy teaching themselves Latin as you seem to have done,
> though you were unwilling to learn in the class setting with MCP and the
> others.
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
> Praeceptrix Linguae Latinae
>
>
>
>
>
>

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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est postridie Nones Martias (a.d. VIII Idus Martias); haec dies
fastus aterque est.

"As soon as night falls you will see the Cretan Crown:
Through Theseus' crime Ariadne was made a goddess.
She'd already happily exchanged that faithless spouse for Bacchus,
She who'd given the ungrateful man the thread to follow.
Delighting in her wedded fate, she said: `Why did I weep
Like a country-girl, his faithlessness has been my gain?'
Meanwhile Bacchus had conquered the straight-haired Indians,
And returned with his riches from the Eastern world.
Among the captive girls, of outstanding beauty,
One, the daughter of a king, pleased Bacchus intensely.
His loving wife wept, and treading the curving shore
With dishevelled hair, she spoke these words:
`Behold, again, you waves, how you hear my complaint!
Behold again you sands, how you receive my tears!
I remember I used to say: "Perjured, faithless Theseus!"
He abandoned me: now Bacchus commits the same crime.
Now once more I'll cry: "Woman, never trust in man!"
My fate's repeated, only his name has changed.
O that my life had ended where it first began.
So that I'd not have existed for this moment!
Why did you save me, Liber, to die on these lonely sands?
I might have ceased grieving at that moment.
Bacchus, fickle, lighter than the leaves that wreathe
Your brow, Bacchus known to me in my weeping,
How have you dared to trouble our harmonious bed
By bringing another lover before my eyes?
Alas, where is sworn faith? Where the pledges you once gave?
Wretched me, how many times must I speak those words?
You blamed Theseus and called him a deceiver:
According to that judgement your own sin is worse.
Let no one know of this, let me burn with silent pain,
Lest they think I deserved to be cheated so!
Above all I wish it to be hid from Theseus,
So he may not joy in you as a partner in crime.
I suppose your fair lover is preferred to a dark,
May fair be the colouring of my enemies!
Yet what does that signify? She is dearer to you for that.
What are you doing? She contaminates your embrace.
Bacchus, be true, and do not prefer her to a wife's love.
I am one who would love my husband for ever.
The horns of a gleaming bull captivated my mother.
Yours, me: but this is a love to be praised, hers shameful.
Let me not suffer, for loving: you yourself, Bacchus,
Never suffered for confessing your desire to me.
No wonder you make me burn: they say you were born
In fire, and were snatched from the flames by your father.
I am she to whom you used to promise the heavens.
Ah me, what a reward I suffer instead of heaven!'
She spoke: Liber had been listening a long while
To her complaint, since he chanced to follow closely.
He embraced her, and dried her tears with kisses,
And said: `Together, let us seek the depths of the sky!
You'll share my name just as you've shared my bed,
Since, transmuted, you will be called Libera:
And there'll be a memory of your crown beside you,
The crown Vulcan gave to Venus, and she to you.'
He did as he said, and changed the nine jewels to fire:
Now the golden crown glitters with nine stars." - Ovid, Fasti III

Originally Ariadne was a vegetation goddess in Crete related to the
other Cretan goddesses especially to Britomartis. Sometimes Ariadne
was associated with the surname "Very Holy Maid," because her name is
a variant of Ariagne from the Greek word "agni", which means "the most
holy." Under this title Aphrodite was honoured on Delos.

According to the Greek myths Ariadne was the daughter of the Cretan
king Minos and his wife Pasiphae. The story about her life and death
was narrated by many ways in the different regions, but in all of her
legends she left Crete and she suffered terrible sorrow.

In the Odyssey is told that Ariadne was abducted and taken to the
island of Dia where she died, because Artemis put her to death.
According to the myth which was the most known, she fell in love with
the Athenian hero Theseus, who was coming to Crete to kill the
Minotaur and to rescue the Athenian youth. In the older version of the
myth she was already the loved one of Dionysus, when Theseus came to
Crete. Thus Ariadne helped Theseus by promising her to take her to
Athens as his wife. She gave him two special gifts --- a sword and a
ball of thread --- to find the way back out from the Cnossian
Labyrinth after killing the Minotaur.

As promised, she left Crete with Theseus and with the Athenian youth
and they stopped on the island of Naxos. While Ariadne was asleep, in
her dream (or in Theseus' dream) the god Dionysus appeared on her and
gave her a divine command to stay in Naxos, because he wanted to marry
her. Why did Theseus deserted his sleeping Ariadne in Naxos: maybe he
had already a new lover or he was afraid to bring Ariadne with him to
Athens? So Theseus with the rescued Athenian youth, but without
Ariadne, sailed to Attica over Delos (a small island near Mykonos),
where they performed some rites (a special dance) and dedicated the
old statue of the goddess from Crete to the local sanctuary.

Ariadne in the meantime felt extremely unhappy, when Dionysus came to
save her in Naxos. So, trying to make her feel better he put on her
head the golden crown of Thetis, a work of Hephaestus. Nevertheless we
have to mention that in the other version of her story, she received
this crown from Theseus (and not from Dionysus) as a gift of
Amphitrite. After this gift Dionysus immediately married her. Short
while after Ariadne gave birth to many famous children: first of all
to Staphylos, then Thoas and Oinopion. The last two became the kings
of the islands Lemnos and Chios and in some other versions of the myth
they are represented as the sons of Theseus.

Ariadne's cult on Naxos was performed also with the orgiastic rites
(like the festivals of joy) together with lamentations and expressions
of sorrow (like during funeral ceremonies). In Amathus the sacrifices
were brought in honour of Ariadne and at this place a special cult was
practised in which a young man simulated the pains of a woman giving
childbirth with some screaming. Ariadne was also remembered in the
Athenian festival The Oschophoria (celebration in honour of Theseus)
and in the other Athenian festival The Anthesteria (performed in
honour of Dionysus) as the wife of both of these two protagonists.
Upon her death, the crown of Thetis was placed in the heavens as the
Aurora Borealis.

The Romans knew her as Libera.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Ariadne (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/ariadne.html [ed.])

Who would be the Roman god for fertility? Mars or Venus?

Salve

On 3/8/06, darren_pile <devon199@...> wrote:
>
> Who would be the Roman god for fertility? Mars or Venus?
>

I shall dare to say, with absolutely no authority on the matter, that there
were several such divinities... Feronia, Robiga, I think I've heard of
Fecunditas as well as the name of a goddness, there was the cult of the
Terra Mater, of the Bona Dea/Fauna, Carmenta in a way as the goddness of
childbirth. Venus, I think, was more the godness of love than fertility
(even if I recall her being genitrix, among the rest, so maybe...).

DCF


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SALVE !

Mars.
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/mars.html

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

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Salve!

There are indeed many Deities with responsibility for fertility. To a certain extent it depends what kind of fertility you are talking about.

For example Faunus, Fauna and Lupercus have responsibilty for the fertility of flocks and herds, while Priapus is more concerned with gardens. Vertumnus and Pomona have responsibility for orchards and fruit bushes. There are others as well often linked more to particular geographical areas eg., Feronia in Etruria.

If you are looking for a God with a more widespread brief I would say that Liber Pater and his consort Libera are the obvious ones with responsibility for crops, farm animals and, of course, wine.

Vale!

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Domitius Constantinus Fuscus <dom.con.fus@...> wrote:
Salve

On 3/8/06, darren_pile <devon199@...> wrote:
>
> Who would be the Roman god for fertility? Mars or Venus?
>

I shall dare to say, with absolutely no authority on the matter, that there
were several such divinities... Feronia, Robiga, I think I've heard of
Fecunditas as well as the name of a goddness, there was the cult of the
Terra Mater, of the Bona Dea/Fauna, Carmenta in a way as the goddness of
childbirth. Venus, I think, was more the godness of love than fertility
(even if I recall her being genitrix, among the rest, so maybe...).

DCF


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On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, darren_pile wrote:

> Who would be the Roman god for fertility? Mars or Venus?

Venus, though syncretized with the Greek Aphrodite (and thus linked with
Mars, who was syncretized with Ares) was a goddess of womanly fertility
and not, like Aphrodite, of general-purpose...uh, another word beginning
with F. She oversaw other vital home activities and was invoked as Venus
Cloacina ("the Purifier") during the regular cleanup drives (as we would
call them) for The City. Perhaps we could think of her as a sweet-
tempered Juno or a married Ceres. Certainly not the sort of goddess who
would fall into bed with a drunken red-neck like Ares, just as Mars, the
guardian of the Romans' fields, wasn't the sort of god who would delight
in shedding blood just for kicks and run around with terrorists and
incendiaries, like Ares.

-- Publius Livius Triarius

Salvete omnes,

I am hitting the road from the barbarian wilderness tomorrow and shall
be back in Edmonton Saturday.

Regards,

QSP

M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

There is a wiki page at
http://www.novaroma.org/wiki/Book_reviews:_Modern_fiction dedicated to
short reviews of modern-style fiction set in ancient Rome. (Colleen
McCullough's "Masters of Rome" series, Steven Saylor's "Gordianus The
Finder" mysteries, Lindsey Davis' "Marcus Didius Falco" mysteries).

The page lists nothing more recent than 1997 or so. Would some citizen
who knows something about these series (or any other series that
belongs there) care to update the page? I'll be happy to lend support
to first-time wiki writers.

optime valete

Ex Officio Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor

Having found that both the Actor, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus, and
the Reus, Caius Minucius Scaevola, are both SVI IVRIS citizens of
Nova Roma and that the reus is neither a serving magistrate nor a
former dictator, which would prevent prosecution, and there is
nothing incongruent in the actor's claims, therefore:

In compliance with the LEX SALICIA POENALIS and under the authority
granted to the Praetors by the laws and the Constitution of Nova
Roma, I hereby submit for adjudication the

Petitio actionis of Domitius Constantinus Fuscus against Caius
Minucius Scaevola

A. INSTITVTIO IVDICIS: "The number of iudices that shall make up
the tribunalis (court of justice) for a certain case shall be
decided by the praetor according to the following guidelines:

A. The tribunalis shall be composed of ten (10) iudices whenever
the intentio includes accusations of laesa patria (seriously
threatening the well-being of the Republic), bribery, embezzlement
of public funds, prevarication, electoral fraud, attacks to
dignitas, slander or libel, or whenever the sententia might imply
the loss of citizenship for one of the parties." "Â…..

Therefore the following citizens are selected as the pool from which
a final ten will be appointed as the Iudices (judges).

Lucius Servilius Primus
A. Ulleria Machinatrix
Aelius Solaris Marullinus
Alexandria Iulia Agrippa
Annia Octavia Indagatrix
Appia Claudia Labieni Ursa
Appia Claudia Laterana
Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
Aula Arria Carina
Titus Licinius Crassus
Titus Octavius Decula
Titus Octavius Marcellus
Titus Octavius Salvius
Vibia Ritulia Enodiaria
Vibius Arminius Corbulus

The Actor and the Reus and an advocate and witnesses of their
choosing, along with the iudices will be subscribed to the Nova
Roma Tribunalis yahoo site and will post all communication on the
case to that site and that site only.

The findings of the Court will be transmitted to Praetor Tiberius
Galerius Paulinus who will then convey them to the Senate and
People of Rome in accordance with law.

*********************************************************************
****

INTENTIO: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus has alleged that Caius
Minucius Scaevola has committed:

CALVMNIAE (Libel and Slander): which is defined as
follows: "Whoever is proven to have made to a third party a false
and defamatory statement about a person which has damaged the
dignity or reputation of that person may be compelled to make a
DECLARATIO PVBLICA: the convicted reus shall then present a public
retraction and apology in order to restore the actor's dignity and
reputation in one of Nova Roma's official venues within thirty days
of the official announcement of the sentence."

by "publicly and maliciously, stated, inter alias and in
different posts"

the following in the fora of Nova Roma

"also note that, despite the prodigious quantities of verbiage that
Fuscus pours onto this list - all either negative or insulting, to
the best of my recollection - his comprehension of the written word
remains abysmal."

"the voicing of opinions (...) Fuscus, who is determined to
strangle it as soon as it appears?"

"All the rest of your /ad hominem/ nonsense has been elided, since
I'm uninterested in wasting time on actually talking _to_ you
rather than pointing out your attempts to destroy what you could
never create."

DEMONSTRATIO: The actor is free to introduce any additional
evidence that he believes supports his case.

CONDEMNATIO: If the Iudices find by majority vote that it has been
proved that Caius Minucius Scaevola has committed CALVMNIAE (Libel
and Slander), you, iudices , shall condemn the reus.

Condemned, the reus shall be required to present a public
retraction and apology in order to restore the actor's dignity and
reputation in one of Nova Roma's official venues within thirty days
of the official announcement of the sentence. The reus may also be
placed on moderation for not more than one month per edict of
Praetor Tiberius Galerius Paulinus. Finding otherwise, you shall
acquit Caius Minucius Scaevola.


Given this the 9th day of March 2759 a.u.c (2006 C.E.) at 12:30 pm
Roman time In the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and
Pompeia Minucia Strabo.

Salve,

I'm sorry to see your resignation, but I congratulate you on your "once in a
lifetime opportunity". Good luck with that.

Also, I'll be in MA next week, would be nice to see you there.

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella
http://minucia.ciarin.com

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On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 11:47:26AM -0000, Timothy P. Gallagher wrote:

> Ex Officio Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor
>
> Having found that both the Actor, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus, and
> the Reus, Caius Minucius Scaevola, are both SVI IVRIS citizens of
> Nova Roma and that the reus is neither a serving magistrate nor a
> former dictator, which would prevent prosecution, and there is
> nothing incongruent in the actor's claims, therefore:
>
> In compliance with the LEX SALICIA POENALIS and under the authority
> granted to the Praetors by the laws and the Constitution of Nova
> Roma, I hereby submit for adjudication the
>
> Petitio actionis of Domitius Constantinus Fuscus against Caius
> Minucius Scaevola

[ snip ]

Since Nova Roma offers no protection against harassment by lawsuit -
other than, theoretically, the *understanding* of law by its Praetors -
and since you, Praetor, have done _exactly_ what I had warned the people
of Nova Roma you would do if you were elected - i.e., be completely
unable to interpret the spirit of the law versus its letter - I consider
this entire proceeding to be a sham, and below my dignity to participate
in.

No matter what, I will not apologize to a vicious, impotent little
weasel for the fact that he's an vicious impotent little weasel. Since
NR has become a playground for lawyers who just have to howl loud enough
to prevent any positive changes, and since they are supported in their
howling by those whose duties are supposed to include protection of the
populace, there's little or no value left for me here in Nova Roma - and
consequently, you have no way to compel me to accept any punishment
whatsoever. Whether you moderate me or drop me from the rolls, I simply
don't care.

Oh, and Fuscus: your attempt to drag me into your scummy little game has
failed. How does it feel to have your impotence demonstrated to a large
group? You're scum, and your presence in any group poisons it. I may or
may not be here to see it, but - for the sake of its own safety - I can
only hope that Nova Roma will vomit you out before your poison destroys
what little remains of it.


Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Arte et Marte.
With peaceful effort and warlike feats.
-- N/A

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Our first opportunity to play Roman law! What an opportunity.
Everyone get your dice out, and your players handbook and you too can
"roll up" a character in Dungeons and Dragons: The Nova Roma edition.

I really wonder what outsiders think when they see things like what I
see below. What I see is an incredible waste of time, a joke, and a
mockery of what it means to be in an organization like Nova Roma.

Are we here to play in a Roman simulation game?

Petty actions like the one below should be outright dismissed. And
its crap like this that bring shame upon Nova Roma.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 3/9/06, Timothy P. Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
> Ex Officio Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor
>
> Having found that both the Actor, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus, and
> the Reus, Caius Minucius Scaevola, are both SVI IVRIS citizens of
> Nova Roma and that the reus is neither a serving magistrate nor a
> former dictator, which would prevent prosecution, and there is
> nothing incongruent in the actor's claims, therefore:
>
> In compliance with the LEX SALICIA POENALIS and under the authority
> granted to the Praetors by the laws and the Constitution of Nova
> Roma, I hereby submit for adjudication the
>
> Petitio actionis of Domitius Constantinus Fuscus against Caius
> Minucius Scaevola

Salvete,

I agree with my brethren, Caius Minucius Scaevola, on this one. That whole
thing seems a little inane. First of all, this is the internet and neither
one of them are public figures. They are just people speaking in a Yahoo
Discussion Group. This is more of a matter of having the moderators cut down
on people flaming each other. I mean if someone insulting someone else is
grounds for some sort of tribunal then it seems to me that there ought to be
one every week.

But if this matter must be resolved, I think they ought to fight it out in a
ring. It'd be a lot more entertaining, and less time consuming. Perhaps mud
could be involved....

Valete,

Annia Minucia Marcella
http://minucia.ciarin.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Benjamin A. Okopnik" <ben@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Ex Officio Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor

Salve

On 3/9/06, Benjamin A. Okopnik <ben@...> wrote:
>
>
> No matter what, I will not apologize to a vicious, impotent little weasel
> for the fact that he's an vicious impotent little weasel.
>

(snip)

Oh, and Fuscus: your attempt to drag me into your scummy little game has
> failed. How does it feel to have your impotence demonstrated to a large
> group? You're scum, and your presence in any group poisons it. I may or may
> not be here to see it, but - for the sake of its own safety - I can only
> hope that Nova Roma will vomit you out before your poison destroys
> what little remains of it.
>

You know, you can keep calling me names and invent ever more colorful
insults, but I shall not fall to your level. I will, at most, wonder how
longer does it take before you are put under moderation and how many more
prophanities you will have to utter at me before you will be satisfied.

You are keeping saying things about me, presuming you have any idea about
who or how I am, and why? Because I said some things about an edict from the
Consul? For saying things that when aknoweledged by others (as, if I'm not
mistaken, both Cordus and Palladius Invictus concurred that hearing the
Senate about the wiki thing had some merit) didn't caused the same rabid
reaction from you. Fine.

Do, or don't do, whatever you please, I'm just following the single and only
mean that Nova Roma gives me to act against the constant charachter killing
you are enjoying practicing and I do not think I'm, for that, to be
chastized. I said to the Praetores I wasn't actually even adamant about this
thing, that all I wanted was you to retract the load of insanities you had
said about me. I do not know if they actually took steps in that directions,
but I somehow guess that at least one did and you refused, but anyway it is
obvious that it wouldn't had worked anyway, so... have it your way, keep
insulting along.

Only one thing.. I like the association with weasels, they are quite pretty
animals, unjustly libelled and in mythology, as reported by Pliny, they were
the only beings able to kill basilisks... so, I suppose I should thank you
for the association, but if you mean to insult me, as undubiusly you do, I'd
suggest something else.

DCF


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete omnes, et salve consul,

David Kling (Modianus) wrote:

> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> Our first opportunity to play Roman law! What an opportunity.

For shame consul! While I wish our Praetor would conduct this business
off the main list so as not to invite this sort of legal circus, he is
doing exactly what the law requires of him. You do yourself no honor by
making fun of this proceeding.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Salve,

This has nothing to do with what you said, but I'm going to point out you
spelled 'profanity' & 'libeled' wrong, and 'undubiusly' is not a word (not
in english anyway).

Carry on.

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella
http://minucia.ciarin.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Domitius Constantinus Fuscus" <dom.con.fus@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Ex Officio Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor


> Salve
>
> On 3/9/06, Benjamin A. Okopnik <ben@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> No matter what, I will not apologize to a vicious, impotent little weasel
>> for the fact that he's an vicious impotent little weasel.
>>
>
> (snip)
>
> Oh, and Fuscus: your attempt to drag me into your scummy little game has
>> failed. How does it feel to have your impotence demonstrated to a large
>> group? You're scum, and your presence in any group poisons it. I may or
>> may
>> not be here to see it, but - for the sake of its own safety - I can only
>> hope that Nova Roma will vomit you out before your poison destroys
>> what little remains of it.
>>
>
> You know, you can keep calling me names and invent ever more colorful
> insults, but I shall not fall to your level. I will, at most, wonder how
> longer does it take before you are put under moderation and how many more
> prophanities you will have to utter at me before you will be satisfied.
>
> You are keeping saying things about me, presuming you have any idea about
> who or how I am, and why? Because I said some things about an edict from
> the
> Consul? For saying things that when aknoweledged by others (as, if I'm not
> mistaken, both Cordus and Palladius Invictus concurred that hearing the
> Senate about the wiki thing had some merit) didn't caused the same rabid
> reaction from you. Fine.
>
> Do, or don't do, whatever you please, I'm just following the single and
> only
> mean that Nova Roma gives me to act against the constant charachter
> killing
> you are enjoying practicing and I do not think I'm, for that, to be
> chastized. I said to the Praetores I wasn't actually even adamant about
> this
> thing, that all I wanted was you to retract the load of insanities you had
> said about me. I do not know if they actually took steps in that
> directions,
> but I somehow guess that at least one did and you refused, but anyway it
> is
> obvious that it wouldn't had worked anyway, so... have it your way, keep
> insulting along.
>
> Only one thing.. I like the association with weasels, they are quite
> pretty
> animals, unjustly libelled and in mythology, as reported by Pliny, they
> were
> the only beings able to kill basilisks... so, I suppose I should thank you
> for the association, but if you mean to insult me, as undubiusly you do,
> I'd
> suggest something else.
>
> DCF
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Salve Annia Minucia Marcella

On 3/9/06, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> This has nothing to do with what you said, but I'm going to point out you
> spelled 'profanity' & 'libeled' wrong, and 'undubiusly' is not a word (not
> in english anyway).
>

:) Well, 3 mistakes out of 297 words, making a 1% spelling mistakes in a
mail that I didn't review before sending, in a language that is not my own
and without a spell checker, is not that bad... I wish it would be just that
:)

vale

DCF


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve,

Well you made more mistakes than that. I didn't point out the grammar and
punctuation mistakes.

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella
http://minucia.ciarin.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Domitius Constantinus Fuscus" <dom.con.fus@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Ex Officio Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor


> Salve Annia Minucia Marcella
>
> On 3/9/06, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
>>
>> Salve,
>>
>> This has nothing to do with what you said, but I'm going to point out you
>> spelled 'profanity' & 'libeled' wrong, and 'undubiusly' is not a word
>> (not
>> in english anyway).
>>
>
> :) Well, 3 mistakes out of 297 words, making a 1% spelling mistakes in a
> mail that I didn't review before sending, in a language that is not my own
> and without a spell checker, is not that bad... I wish it would be just
> that
> :)
>
> vale
>
> DCF
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Salvete,

The messages flying around today finding fault with the spelling and
grammar of others are quite unnecessary. Please follow the praetors'
posting guidelines and if you must send out such comments do so as
private e-mail to the persons involved.

Also please keep in mind that many of the people posting here do not
speak English as their first language. I continue to be impressed by
the English language skills of my Spanish and Italian friends, and I
would not find fault with them in public even if my command of their
native languages matched their command of mine.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Salve,

There was only one message about spelling today. And it was perfectly
polite. If people can correct others on their Latin or other things, then I
can help someone with their spelling.

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella
http://minucia.ciarin.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <gawne@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:46 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Let's be polite people


> Salvete,
>
> The messages flying around today finding fault with the spelling and
> grammar of others are quite unnecessary. Please follow the praetors'
> posting guidelines and if you must send out such comments do so as
> private e-mail to the persons involved.
>
> Also please keep in mind that many of the people posting here do not
> speak English as their first language. I continue to be impressed by
> the English language skills of my Spanish and Italian friends, and I
> would not find fault with them in public even if my command of their
> native languages matched their command of mine.
>
> Valete,
>
> -- Marinus
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Salve Romans

Just to remind everybody the LAW allows just three reasons for
dismissal.

The LAW allows just three reasons for dismissal!!!!!!!!!!

I listed those and ordered the case to court. I also ordered it to a
difffernt yahoolist so a "legal circus" would not be held on the
main list.

I can only do my duty as I see it.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Praetor



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes, et salve consul,
>
> David Kling (Modianus) wrote:
>
> > Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
> >
> > Our first opportunity to play Roman law! What an opportunity.
>
> For shame consul! While I wish our Praetor would conduct this

business

> off the main list so as not to invite this sort of legal circus,

he is

> doing exactly what the law requires of him. You do yourself no

honor by

> making fun of this proceeding.
>
> Valete,
>
> -- Marinus
>

Marinus:

You can shame me all you want. I believe very strongly that this sort
of crap is a WASTE of time, and it makes Nova Roma look like a joke.
This sort of legal lawyering does not service to Nova Roma and is a
dishonor to our organization. It is a pathetic waste of time, and
frankly if I am the only person in Nova Roma who believes it is a
waste of time I will still said it and I will say it loudly.

What does these sort of "lawsuits" do to improve Nova Roma? Nothing.
Ultimately it will cause people to leave. That, in and of itself, is
a dishonor.

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 3/9/06, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes, et salve consul,
>
> David Kling (Modianus) wrote:
>
> > Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
> >
> > Our first opportunity to play Roman law! What an opportunity.
>
> For shame consul! While I wish our Praetor would conduct this business
> off the main list so as not to invite this sort of legal circus, he is
> doing exactly what the law requires of him. You do yourself no honor by
> making fun of this proceeding.
>
> Valete,
>
> -- Marinus
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Salve,

Your post needs more exclamation points. There aren't nearly enough to get
your point across.

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella
http://minucia.ciarin.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ex Officio Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor


> Salve Romans
>
> Just to remind everybody the LAW allows just three reasons for
> dismissal.
>
> The LAW allows just three reasons for dismissal!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I listed those and ordered the case to court. I also ordered it to a
> difffernt yahoolist so a "legal circus" would not be held on the
> main list.
>
> I can only do my duty as I see it.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Praetor
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> <gawne@...> wrote:
>>
>> Salvete omnes, et salve consul,
>>
>> David Kling (Modianus) wrote:
>>
>> > Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>> >
>> > Our first opportunity to play Roman law! What an opportunity.
>>
>> For shame consul! While I wish our Praetor would conduct this
> business
>> off the main list so as not to invite this sort of legal circus,
> he is
>> doing exactly what the law requires of him. You do yourself no
> honor by
>> making fun of this proceeding.
>>
>> Valete,
>>
>> -- Marinus
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus wrote:

> > Our first opportunity to play Roman law! What an opportunity.
>
> For shame consul! [...]
> You do yourself no honor by making fun of this proceeding.

There's no shame in calling a spade a spade. This entire proceeding
is a travesty that brings shame on our entire organization.

We cannot fault Praetor Galerius Paulinus for this; he is carrying
out the law as written and has no choice in the matter.

I do not believe the authors of this law ever intended for it to be
used for petty revenge for mailing list squabbles. A good-intentioned
law has been hijacked by an abuser and used as a means to squash debate
and punish personal enemies. Sadly, there is no provision in the lex
for a frivolous plaintiff to be fined or punished for abuse, and thus
we will see more of this vile misuse until something is done to put
a stop to it.

I call upon the Consuls to bring before the Comitia a proposal to
strike the "slander" and "libel" portions of the Lex Salicia Poenalis
and to vacate any judgements that may be rendered in the meantime.

Vale, Octavius.

--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

Salvete,
Don't forget about the Emperor series by Conn Iggulden.There are now four books in the series charting the life of Julius Caesar.Makes for very interesting reading.
Vale,
Decimus Iullius Paullus

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Modianus consul scripsit:

> I really wonder what outsiders think when they see things like what I
> see below. What I see is an incredible waste of time, a joke, and a
> mockery of what it means to be in an organization like Nova Roma.

Since you wondered, I'll answer, as a new citizen: I'm saddened and
bemused, and (I must admit) morbidly fascinated. I see a lot of
parallels, actually, to what I often hear from newcomers to the
various online fora of the Society for Creative Anachronism (of
which I'm an almost-30-year veteran). I'd like to think that the
same dynamic is in play, namely that the vicious politics get
"concentrated" in the fora due to the stridency of small clots of
ne'er-do-wells, and the actual workings of the club are rather
more congenial than would appear through that lens. I don't know
any of you folks, so I have no preconceived notions of who's right
or wrong, or even (truth be told) what this dispute is all about. I
suppose that's an advantage at the moment, but lemme tell ya, it ain't
lookin' pretty.

Since you asked....

Aulus Tullius Severus
--

===========================================================
Grant me the company of those who seek truth, and
protect me from those who have found it.

VICESIMA QUARTA
The Newsletter of
LEGION XXIV - MEDIA ATLANTIA

MARCH 2006

Gallio Velius Marsallas / George Metz
Praefectus - Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073-3014
610-353-4982
legionxxiv@... www.legionxxiv.org

Commilitones:

ADVENAE - Newcomers
*** Joseph DiGrazio Cassius Artorius Magnas docnkate@... hails from Milford in northeast PA. He is well situated for our campaigns in the Northeast region and anxious to get himself outfitted for duty. He is actively engaging in making his caligae, tunic and acquiring armor, helmet and gladius. We look forward to having him with us at our upcoming campaigns.
*** Gary Bjorlin Caius Victricius Galvisius garybjorlin@... is former Marine now working in Iraq. He has cavalry reenactment experience, and with his Marine background, should be an asset to our ranks.
*** Aaron Mott Titinius naruto250@... has been rostered as a squire-recruit. He has an avid interest in ancient Rome and its Legions and hopes to be with us on future campaigns.

HMGS PA GAMERS "COLD WARS" - LANCASTER PA - MARCH 18 - 19
CALL TO ARMS - The Historical Miniature Gamers Society (HMGS) has contacted our sister Legion XX to provide a Roman Legion presence at their Annual "Cold Wars" Gamers Convention and they would appreciate our support. The event is on a Saturday and Sunday at the Lancaster Host Resort, 2300 Lincoln Highway East, Lancaster, PA 17602. 717-299-5500 It is an indoor event, which is most welcome during the iffy weather of March. The expected hours of the "Meet and Greet" campaign would be 10AM till 4PM, which would mean we should arrive by 9AM for set-up and preparation. Your Commander would welcome having some companionship on either or both days.
The convention website has maps, directions, schedules, lodging info and much more at http://www.coldwars.org/ This is would be a good event to test-out your gear and those "Winter Quarters" repairs prior to our open field campaigns. The coordinator needs participants' names for admission passes, so please let me know ASAP which days you would like to attend.


MARCHING THRU TIME - APRIL 22 - 23
Marching Through Time is coming up! On April 22-23 at Marietta Mansion, the Legion will once again be one of over thirty different
historical groups performing for the public, from 11 AM to 5 PM both days. Most of us know the drill pretty well by this time--speaking of which, we should expect to be doing our marching demonstration first thing after opening, so please come early. PLEASE let the Commander know if you plan to attend, and if you are interested in staying for the barbecue on Saturday
night. Remember that cars will not be permitted into the camp area after 9:30 AM on Saturday (and not at all on Sunday until after 5 PM), so get there early if you need to unload gear. Also, there will be set-up and groups of school kids coming through from 10 to 2 on Friday the 21st. Marietta is at 5626 Bell Station Rd., Glenn Dale, MD 20769. 301-464-5291. The Site Manager is Susan Wolfe. From I-95/495, the Capital Beltway, take Exit 20 onto Rt. 450 East, go 4 miles, turn left on Rt. 193, then left onto Bell Station Rd. and left again into Marietta.
For Marching Through Time, only handicapped parking is permitted on site (due to lack of space), public parking being available at the recreation just beyond Bell Station Rd. Follow the signs and then catch the shuttle vans back to the site. Participants can also park along Rt. 193, at their own risk.
http://www.pghistory.org/MariettaMansion.html

PA JUNIOR CLASSICAL LEAGUE STATE CONVENTION - MAY 20
The Legion has been invited to set up camp at the Pennsylvania Junior Classical League State Convention on May 20, 2006.
This will be held at Pennsylvania State University in State College, (mid-state) PA, and it is a one-day event. They are providing dormitory space for us for Friday and Saturday nights, if necessary. That way we could easily be set up by 9 AM when the program starts. This convention is attended by over 600 high school Latin students, all of whom will naturally be more interested in Classical history and more motivated than the average high school audience. So it should be a very rewarding event. Directions and more details to follow.

TAKE A WALK ON THE BOARDWALK - JUNE 3 - 4
Again a reminder that Keith Egan, fundraising walk chairperson for the annual conference for the Rotary District 7640 (southern New Jersey) is looking for some legionaries for an event scheduled for June 3-4 of 2006, which is also the weekend of Roman Days in Maryland. However, If you are not planning to be at Roman Days and would like to "Take a Walk on the Boardwalk" as a Roman legionary with Caesar and Cleopatra, please read-on and contact Keith at kcegan2@... or 609-347-1087 www.southjerseyaidsalliance.org
The conference is to be held in Atlantic City and Keith is looking to make the beginning of the fundraising walk as spectacular and entertaining as the city can offer. One suggestion that has been made is to have the actors who portray Caesar and Cleopatra and their retinue at Caesar's Hotel Casino start off the walk that will ultimately end near their casino location. Keith would like to add a troop of legionaries in formation to approach the spectacle that is wanted and help to generate the kind of enthusiastic response from walkers that will help them to earn significant funds for the Rotary Foundation. If you are not familiar with the foundation, it is an international philanthropic fund that is used to support humanitarian projects across the globe. Some of the types of projects that have been implemented include support for inoculations against infectious diseases; orphanages and schools; and fresh water system development in third world countries in addition to supporting a wide range of programs and services (e.g., literacy and nutrition programs for needy children) throughout the United States each year.

MARCH ALONG HADRIAN'S WALL - JUNE 20 - 30
ATTENTUS !! Robert Garbisch, Centurio Marcus ~ Legio X Fretensis ~ Cohors IV, in California is issuing a general invitation to various Roman Legions located here in the USA. Please feel welcome to help distribute this invitation to anyone or any other Roman group that you feel would be interested in joining us for a historical "First-Time" Roman March in full kit along the entire length of Hadrian's Wall. Apparently this great adventure has yet to be done in our modern 21st century time. He is currently looking for 4 more dedicated and loyal Roman Legionaries to join him for this duty of serving Rome.
*** He is trying to arrange for authentic Roman meals during the march. There will be some nights where we will be camping on arms at a campground, or somewhere along the Wall. Efforts are also being made to enlist the aid of some of the local Roman units stationed along the Wall. Hopefully we will be able to spend a night or two camping with them. They may even join us for marching along parts of this long route. Apparently, this type of an Roman adventure has yet to be done. So we will be making history here as the first Roman Legion to ever attempt this type of a Roman March along the entire length of Hadrian's Wall.
*** Nigel Cole, of Catswhiskers Tours will be the guide and QuarterMaster for this journey in time. Please check out his web site at http://www.catswhiskerstours.co.uk/roman.asp. Here you will be instructed in how you can make your $250 deposit to insure your assigned place on the duty roster. This payment and future payments of $500 per month for February, March, and April can be easily made by using your credit card. A final payment in May will be determined by how many are actually going and the total cost to finance this great Roman adventure.
*** Efforts are being made to minimize the cost of this adventure. The more men he can enlist, up to a maximum of 10 Legionaries, the lower the cost for all of us. The limit of 10 was set due to the limited size of our transportation vehicle, the available size of period lodging at the South Shield's Roman Fort, and our own personal group impact affect upon the Hadrian's Wall Trail. You can either make effective use of his travel tour services for your airfare or arrange for your own airfare.
*** If you have any questions about this Roman March Adventure, please contact Robert W. Garbisch (Centurio Marcus ~ Legio X Fretensis ~ Cohors IV) at the e-mail address posted above. He may still have a choice position open for this historic endeavor.

***The proposed schedule for our Roman March is posted below. Our final stop for each night will be determined by Nigel as he conducts a more detailed check of our route for meeting our camping and lodging needs.

June 19th - Monday = Depart from your chosen airport.

June 20th - Tuesday = Arrive at Newcastle Airport, in England. Nigel will pick you up and transport you to the Roman Fort at South Shield. There we will be expected to conduct some public presentations. This is necessary for us to justify our stay there. So please come prepared to do some public presentations. It will be fun to do!

June 21st - Wednesday = Transfer by motor vehicle to Segedunum, a Roman Cavalry Fort. Tour the museum and restored buildings there. Transfer by motor vehicle to bypass the urban route through Newcastle to reach Newburn and the start of the scenic rural route at Tyne Riverside Country Park. March to Heddon-on-the-Wall to connect with the first real visible evidence of Hadrian's Wall. Visit the ruins of the Vindobala Roman Fort. Proceed to Halton. We will be marching about 13 miles/20 km. Lodging near Halton.

June 22nd - Thursday = Take a circular walk to Corbridge. Visit the museum and ruins of the Roman Fort there. Continue on to Chollerford. Campground or lodging near Chollerford. March about 12 miles/18 km.

June 23rd - Friday = Chollerford to Steel Rigg via Chester and Housesteads. Visit the Chester Roman Fort. Visit the Brocolita Roman Fort. Visit the Vercovicium Roman Fort at Housesteads. Camp with the local Romans there? Camp at Winshields? March 13 miles/20 km.

June 24th - Saturday = Circular walk to Vindolanda. Tour the Vindolanda Roman Fort. Proceed to the Roman Army Museum at Carvoran. Visit the Magnis Roman Fort. Camp with the local Romans? Camp at Greenhead? March around 13 miles/20 km.

June 25th - Sunday = Proceed to visit the Birdoswald Roman Fort, continue on to Walton. Stay at a local lodge. March around 12 miles/19 km.

June 26th - Monday = March to Carlisle. Stay at a local lodge. March around 11 miles/18 km.

June 27th - Tuesday = A Free Day of Rest. Visit the many interesting local Roman ruins and museums plus lots of unusual shops. No marching in your Roman full kit on this day.

June 28th - Wednesday = March from Carlisle to Bowness-on-Solway. Finis! Stay at a local lodge. Enjoy the scenic view as you will have now successfully completed this great Roman March Adventure. Rest and reflect upon what you have so nobly accomplished. March around 15 miles/24 km.

June 29th - Thursday = Take a motor transport for returning to the Roman Fort at South Shield. Enjoy a well deserved R & R. If you feel up to it, take a trip to the fabulous international mall at Newcastle. Lots of interesting stores and restaurants there to enjoy. Prepare to return home.

June 30th - Friday = Motor transport to the Newcastle Airport. Return home. Or if you would like to visit other historical sites in England, then you are now released from your duties to Rome. Have a safe trip home.

Local scholars are expressing great interest in our proposed march. There is also potential interest from the local news media along our route. Nigel also proposed filming our adventure with the prospect of selling it to the History Channel or BBC, which if accepted, could help fund this adventure.

Firmitas et Honorare! Centurio Marcus Antonius Lucius Legio X Fretensis ~ Cohors IV

ROMAN DAYS NORTHEAST - Sept 30
This event is now in limbo. Lawrence and Julie of LaWrens Nest, who were the sponsors of RDNE, will be moving to Virginia this summer and will not be able to sponsor the event in Connecticut. The Legions of the Northeast, III, VI, IX, & XXX, along with XXIV are looking into sponsoring a time-line or Rome Only event at a site in southern Connecticut on Saturday Sept-30. Stay tuned for further details.


While we are in Winter Quarters, plan to repair and upgrade your gear for 2006 Campaign Season!

UPCOMING CAMPAIGNS for LEGION XXIV and OTHER EVENTS for 2005

*** March 17 - 19 Historical Miniature Gamers Soc. convention, Lancaster Host Resort, Rt-30, PA www.coldwars.org

*** April 22 - 23 Marching Thru Time, Marietta Mansion, 5626 Bell Station Road, Glenn Dale, MD

*** May 20 Encampment for PA Junior Classical League State Convention, PA State Univ., State College, PA

*** June 3 - 4 Roman Days, Marietta Mansion, Glenn Dale, MD or Walk on the Boardwalk in A.C.

*** June 17 - 18 Muster on the Maumee, Fort Meigs, Perrysburg, Ohio

*** August 5 - 6 Time Line Event, Fort Malden, Amherstburg, Ontario

*** Sept 30 Roman Days NE, Southern CN ?

*** Oct 14 - 15 Time Line Event, Fort No.4, Charlestown, NH


Thanking you for your continued support of Legion XXIV, I remain;

Yours in the Bonds of Ancient Rome

Gallio / George




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C. Equitius Cato G. Fabio Buteoni Modianus quiritibusque sal.

Salve et salvete.

Your speech is precisely why people might find cause to ridicule us,
consul. You obviously have little regard for the law --- you are
willing to urge a magistrate to simply "dismiss" a right guaranteed to
the citizens of the Republic, not to mention your aborted attempt to
violate the lex Constitutiva --- and are seemingly only interested in
the actual machinery of government when it comes time to throw around
some of your assumed power. Living in a restored Republic is not just
bubble gum and sunglasses, consul. It's the annoying bits of everyday
life that we have to deal with on a consistent basis, too.

Your authority does not include deciding what the citizens "should" or
"should not" approach the praetors, consul. I happen to think that
Fuscus is technically legally incorrect, but not because he is any
less entitled to bring a petitio forward than anyone else, for any reason.

Vale et valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> Our first opportunity to play Roman law! What an opportunity.
> Everyone get your dice out, and your players handbook and you too can
> "roll up" a character in Dungeons and Dragons: The Nova Roma edition.
>
> I really wonder what outsiders think when they see things like what I
> see below. What I see is an incredible waste of time, a joke, and a
> mockery of what it means to be in an organization like Nova Roma.
>
> Are we here to play in a Roman simulation game?
>
> Petty actions like the one below should be outright dismissed. And
> its crap like this that bring shame upon Nova Roma.
>
> Valete:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

L.Flavia Lectrix M. Lucretio Agricolae SPD
Interesting page! I´d like to see John Maddox Roberts´ "SPQR"-series
included! I can find all the titles and reviews, but it´ll take some time
since I´m about to move my little family (daughter, cats and myself) to a
place some 350 km away in the first week of April while at the same time
learning for the final exam of med school in mid-May. So if it can wait
until after the exam, I´d be delighted to help!
Vale!

-------Originalmeldung-------

Von: M. Lucretius Agricola
Datum: 03/09/06 10:40:49
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Modern fiction set in Rome

M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

There is a wiki page at
http://www.novaroma.org/wiki/Book_reviews:_Modern_fiction dedicated to
short reviews of modern-style fiction set in ancient Rome. (Colleen
McCullough's "Masters of Rome" series, Steven Saylor's "Gordianus The
Finder" mysteries, Lindsey Davis' "Marcus Didius Falco" mysteries).

The page lists nothing more recent than 1997 or so. Would some citizen
who knows something about these series (or any other series that
belongs there) care to update the page? I'll be happy to lend support
to first-time wiki writers.

optime valete









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On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, gaiusequitiuscato wrote:

>
> Your speech is precisely why people might find cause to ridicule us,
> consul.

Our plethora of laws and an internal lawsuit for "slander" bring no
glory to this organization. Ridicule is deserved. The Consuls are in
a unique position to do something about it by convening the comitia
to clean house, and I hope they do so.

> You obviously have little regard for the law

Not speaking for the consul, but I, personally, have less than zero regard
for the section of the particular law that has caused the current
conflict. It's an impediment to community building, and it needs to go.

> Living in a restored Republic is not just bubble gum and sunglasses, consul.

"bubble gum and sunglasses"? That's an interesting perspective, considering
that Consul Modianus's top priority is the restoration of the Religio.
Destroying community by an overabundance of legislation straight out
of the "Dungeon Master's Guide" is an obstacle to the great work that
many of us hope to accomplish.

A "lawsuit", even in kangaroo court, over insults made on a mailing list
is a far more disastrous thing for community than any amount of those
insults could ever be. The accused, even though he's stated he will
not post the bogus apology that is demanded of him, is faced with the
humiliating prospect of having his name recorded in the tabularium as
"guilty" of a "crime". Naturally, he'll have little motive to stay
here and contribute if that happens - and Scaevola *is* someone who has
done much for Nova Roma; he recently held the office of Magister Aranearius,
one of the hardest working positions here in spite of its low visibility.

Filing a lawsuit, even a play one, over mailing list insults is the
equivalent of bringing a knife to a pillow fight. No matter who was in
the wrong initially, the conflict has now been unacceptably escalated.
That knives are made available to children is something that the Consul
may be able to fix, through the Comitia.

> Your authority does not include deciding what the citizens "should" or
> "should not" approach the praetors, consul.

"should" expresses an opinion, and the Consul is as entitled to speak
his opinion as anyone else. Only when he uses words such as "must"
or "you will" is the Consul exercising his authority. The Consul is
no figurehead (like some modern monarchs), unable to express an opinion;
the Consul is a leader and should act as such, not just through
edicts and compulsion but by taking a firm moral stand against the
insidious rot of our society.

Vale, M. Octavius Germanicus.

--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

C. Equitius Cato M. Octavio Germanico quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Octavius Germanicus, you wrote:

"Not speaking for the consul, but I, personally, have less than zero
regard for the section of the particular law that has caused the
current conflict."

An interesting perspective. It is not your choice to obey only those
laws for which you have a personal high regard. The rule of law is
what seperates us from savages and barbarians, Octavius Germanicus.
It is binding upon us all, whether we like it or not.


You also wrote:

"Filing a lawsuit, even a play one, over mailing list insults is the
equivalent of bringing a knife to a pillow fight. No matter who was
in the wrong initially, the conflict has now been unacceptably escalated."

"Play" one? This is a lawsuit filed by one citizen against another in
accordance with the laws of our Republic. Whether or not you like it,
we are bound by the law. It is not yours to decide to what extent an
argument has escalated, unless you intend to seek a remedy in the very
laws you sneer at. The entire point of the existence of the law is
precisely to create a venue through which the People can have their
grievances heard and forms the bedrock of a civil society.



You wrote:

"...the Consul is a leader and should act as such, not just through
edicts and compulsion but by taking a firm moral stand against the
insidious rot of our society."

This is the same consul who attempted to subvert the lex Constitutiva,
the same consul who attempted to abrogate the rights and privileges of
the body that exists solely for the governance of the religio; A
"firm moral stand" that encourages ignoring or dismissing out of hand
those laws for which he has no liking? Again, an interesting
perspective on what "moral" means, Octavius Germanicus. The idea of
someone with that understanding of what morality entails "clean[ing]
house", as you put it, is horrifying.

Vale et valete,

Cato

Salve,


I think there is a real difference between "rule of law" and micromanaging
everyone's behaviour.

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella
http://minucia.ciarin.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:15 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ex Officio Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor


> C. Equitius Cato M. Octavio Germanico quiritibusque S.P.D.
>
> Salve et salvete.
>
> Octavius Germanicus, you wrote:
>
> "Not speaking for the consul, but I, personally, have less than zero
> regard for the section of the particular law that has caused the
> current conflict."
>
> An interesting perspective. It is not your choice to obey only those
> laws for which you have a personal high regard. The rule of law is
> what seperates us from savages and barbarians, Octavius Germanicus.
> It is binding upon us all, whether we like it or not.
>

> An interesting perspective. It is not your choice to obey only those
> laws for which you have a personal high regard.

I am disobeying no law, nor am I advocating that anyone do so. What I
*am* advocating is a lessening of the burden of laws we struggle under -
and that those who abuse the process should feel the contempt of the
community.

> The rule of law is
> what seperates us from savages and barbarians, Octavius Germanicus.

That and toilet paper.

Vale, O.

--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

Salve,

>> The rule of law is
>> what seperates us from savages and barbarians, Octavius Germanicus.
>
> That and toilet paper.
>

HHAHAHAHAA! Oh my, that just made me laugh out loud. Good thing I hadn't
taken a sip of my drink while reading that, it'd be all over my new
keyboard. Then I'd have to sue you for damages.

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella
http://minucia.ciarin.com

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@...>
wrote:

>

I agree with my brethren, Caius Minucius Scaevola, on this one.>

This has nothing to do with what you wrote. But "brethren" is plural,
and cannot properly be used when speaking of Caius Minucius Scaevola
alone.

Salvete,


I am new to Nova Roma and the statement below and the many that I
have seen on this list are petty, childish and are beginning to make me rethink my belonging to this group.

Why must people feel it so compelling to degrade and demean each
other? Don't many of us face this enough in life because of our
faith and beliefs? (Those adhering to Religio Romana and other pagan and non-mainstream faiths anyways.)

Who cares if someone's grammar is not perfect in their posts? This
list seems to have nothing to do with Nova Roma at times and more to do with belittling other members.

I hope this is not representative of the Nova Roma as a
whole, thus far I am pretty sure I have made a mistake in joining,


Servius Apollonius Leo

On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:49 PM, muidopure wrote:

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@...>
> wrote:
> >
> I agree with my brethren, Caius Minucius Scaevola, on this one.>
>
> This has nothing to do with what you wrote. But "brethren" is plural,
> and cannot properly be used when speaking of Caius Minucius Scaevola
> alone.
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Salve Romans

The Petitio actionis of Domitius Constantinus Fuscus against Caius
Minucius Scaevola is now before the courts. Thus it is not an
appropriate issue to be discussed in this forum.

Its adjudication will take place off this list.

If you want to comment on it privately fine but the issue is now
OFF TOPIC for the main list of Nova Roma.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Praetor