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Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem XII Kalendas Maius; haec dies nefastus est.

"Next dawn when Memnon's saffron-robed mother,
With her rosy horses, comes to view the wide lands,
The sun leaves the Ram, Aries, leader of the woolly flock,
Betrayer of Helle, and meets a nobler victim on leaving.
Whether it's Jupiter the Bull, or Io the Heifer's hard to tell:
The front of the creature appears: the rest's concealed.
But whether the sign's a bull or whether it's a heifer,
It enjoys that reward for its love, against Juno's wishes." - Ovid,
Fasti IV

"This god [Zeus], desirous of union with this mortal maid, has imposed
upon her these wanderings. Maiden, you have gained a cruel suitor for
your hand." - Prometheus to Io; Aeschylus, "Prometheus Bound" 565

"And [Hera] set a watcher upon her [Io], great and strong Argos, who
with four eyes looks every way. And the goddess stirred in him
unwearying strength: sleep never fell upon his eyes; but he kept sure
watch always." - Homerica, The Aegimius, Fragment 5 (from Scholiast on
Euripides, Phoenicians 1116)

"It may be, just as a certain cave on the coast which fronts the
Aegean Sea, where Io is said to have given birth to Epaphos, is called
Böos Aule, that the island got the name Euboia (Land of Good Cattle)
from the same cause." - Strabo, Geography 10.1.3

"Two female figures which stand near, Io, the daughter of Inakhos, and
Kallisto, the daughter of Lykaon, of both of whom exactly the same
story is told, to wit, love of Zeus, wrath of Hera, and metamorphosis,
Io becoming a cow and Kallisto a bear." - Pausanias, Guide to Greece
1.25.1, describing the Acropolis in Athens

"From Inachus and Argia [was born] Io. Jupiter loved and embraced Io,
and changed her to heifer form so that Juno would not recognize her.
When Juno found out, she sent Argus, who had gleaming eyes all around
to guard her. Mercury, at Jove's command, killed him. But Juno sent a
fearful shape to plague her, and out of terror of it she was driven
wildly and compelled to cast herself into the sea, which is called
Ionian. Thence she swam to Scythia, and the Bosporus is named from
that; thence she went to Egypt where she bore Epaphus. When Jove
realized that for his sake she had borne such suffering, he restored
her to her own form, and made her a goddess of the Egyptians, called
Isis." - Hyginus, Fabulae 145

"The Phoinikians came to Argos, and set out their cargo. On the fifth
or sixth day after their arrival, when their wares were almost all
sold, many women came to the shore and among them especially the
daughter of the king, whose name was Io (according to Persians and
Greeks alike), the daughter of Inakhos. As these stood about the stern
of the ship bargaining for the wares they liked, the Phoinikians
incited one another to set upon them. Most of the women escaped: Io
and others were seized and thrown into the ship, which then sailed
away for Aigyptos. In this way, the Persians say (and not as the
Greeks), was how Io came to Aigyptos, and this, according to them, was
the first wrong that was done. " - Herodotus, Histories 1.1.2

"But the Phoinikians do not tell the same story about Io as the
Persians. They say that they did not carry her off to Aigyptos by
force. She had intercourse in Argos with the captain of the ship.
Then, finding herself pregnant, she was ashamed to have her parents
know it, and so, lest they discover her condition, she sailed away
with the Phoinikians of her own accord." - Herodotus, Histories 1.5.2

"All Aigyptians sacrifice unblemished bulls and bull-calves; they may
not sacrifice cows: these are sacred to Isis. For the images of Isis
are in woman's form, horned like a cow, exactly as the Greeks picture
Io, and cows are held by far the most sacred of all beasts of the herd
by all Aigyptians alike." - Herodotus, Histories 2.41.1

"Isis: She is called Io. She was snatched by Zeus from Argos and he,
fearing Hera, changed her first into a white cow, then into a black
one, and then into a one that was violet-coloured. After wandering
around with her, he came into Egypt. The Egyptians, then, honour Isis,
and for this reason they carve the horns of a cow on the head of her
statue, alluding to the change from maiden to cow." - Suidas "Isis"


Io was the beautiful daughter of Inachus of Argos. She began having
strange dreams with voices and visions telling her to leave her bed
and go into a field where Zeus could `see' her. She told her father of
the dreams and he sought advice of the oracles at Pytho and Dodona but
they could offer no help. Finally, he sent an embassy to Loxias. For
the oracles of Loxias, the meaning was crystal clear. They advised
Inakhus to disown his daughter, cast her into the streets and drive
her from his country. If this was not done, the oracles warned, Zeus
would eradicate Inakhus and his people without mercy. With heavy
heart, Inakhus obeyed the oracles and forced his young daughter, Io,
from his house. Hera had not missed the drama unfolding in Argos. She
was angered by Zeus' (attempted) infidelity so she punished Zeus by
punishing Io. As Io fled in tears from her father's house, she began
to change. Horns popped out on her head and, as she ran, she
completely transformed into a black and white heifer. A gadfly began
to sting and pester her, forcing her to run farther and farther from
her home and happiness.

Hera wanted to be sure that her husband, Zeus, could not be alone with
his new infatuation so she set the herdsman, Argos, to follow the
heifer-girl. Argos was called Argos Panoptes, meaning `all seeing'
because he had one hundred eyes placed all over his body. Io was
terrified of Argos and she fled from him as much as she did from the
sting of the ever present gadfly. Zeus was inflamed. With Argos on
guard he couldn't secretly meet with the lovely Io. He instructed his
son, Hermes, to kill Argos. To this day, Hermes is often called
Argeiphontes, `the slayer of Argos'. He lulled the herdsman to sleep
with sweet music and then beheaded the sleeping watchman before he
could defend himself. Io was now free of the all seeing Argos.

The punishment was not over yet. The gadfly was still goading the
heifer-girl to the ends of the earth. As Io fled through the Caucasus
mountains she saw Prometheus bound to the stony crag. Prometheus was a
Titan who had angered Zeus with his reckless affection for the lowly
mortals who populated the earth below Mount Olympos. Prometheus was
chained, spread-eagle, to the pitiless rockface by the plan of Zeus
and by the hand of Hephaestus. Prometheus had been left to suffer in
solitude and misery until Zeus' fury subsided.

Io's conversation with Prometheus is quite moving. She told him of her
sorrowful past, how she can never sleep in the same place two nights
in succession because of the insistent gadfly. She begged the Titan
for his prediction of her future. The name `Prometheus' means
`forethought'. She simply wanted to know when her suffering would end?
Even in his tortured condition, Prometheus tried to spare her
feelings. She asked why he would not be forthright. He replied that he
was afraid that if he told her the depth and duration of her
suffering, the knowledge might break her spirit. She wanted to hear it
all, no matter how dismal her future may be, she wanted to hear it
all.

Prometheus told her of her long, lonely road. He advised her on which
way to travel and where she might find help along the way. He told her
to be strong because she would eventually be freed from the curse of
Hera. Her journey would end in Egypt. He told her that she would be
restored to her original beauty and have a glorious son named Epaphos.
Prometheus also foresaw the ironic fact that one of her descendants
would, after thirteen generations, come back to that lonely mountain
and cut the bonds that made him famous.

The predictions of Prometheus came true. Io's flight took her East
towards Asia, South to the land of the Amazons and, after years of
tortuous wandering, she came to Egypt. When the hand of Zeus reached
out and touched Io, Hera's curse was lifted. Io was restored to her
youthful beauty and was allowed to live out her mortal life in peace.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Homerica, Strabo, Pausanius, Herodotus, Hyginus, Suidas
Io (http://messagenet.com/myths/bios/io.html)

C. Equitius Cato pontifices quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salvete omnes.

I do not mean to throw another wrench into this discussion, but in
looking ahead at the calendar, the proposed date for the opening of
the voting on this falls on ante diem VII Kalendas Maius, which is a
dies nefastus publicus --- the celebration of the Robigalia.

It is my understanding that no voting or legal action may take place
on such a day. Perhaps one of the pontiffs could clarify this; if it
is the case, the voting cannot begin until a.d. VI Kal. Mai., which is
a dies comitialis.

Valete bene,

Cato

Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Quiritibus S.P.D.:

For your information and assurance:

I am aware of the 25 being a nefastus. I spotted this about about 8
days or so ago in rechecking things; what I shall do is close the
cista for this day of the election period and allow voting for the
following days. This will still provide for enough voting hours.
This way I don't have to make out a new contio/vote schedule..

The elections may still be held for the Editor Aquila and the
proposed legislaton.

I will formalize things within a day, including the final texts of
all the legislations, forwarding the instructions to the webmaster,
diribitores and custodes.

April is the busiest month for religious days and it is tricky to
get a schedule that is compatible. Why I checked again. Also, I
dont know if this calendar changes..another reason I rechecked. But
I thought,since I had the auspices, I wasn't going to allow our
candidate for Editor Aquila to wait for election any longer than
need be.

Thank you et valete



Vale

Salve amice tiberia;

I have a project made for the Aquila and I want to publish before day 20 of May.

:)
:)
:)

three to give luck.

Bene Vale.
Titus Marcius Felix.



pompeia_minucia_tiberia <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> escreveu:
Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Quiritibus S.P.D.:

For your information and assurance:

I am aware of the 25 being a nefastus. I spotted this about about 8
days or so ago in rechecking things; what I shall do is close the
cista for this day of the election period and allow voting for the
following days. This will still provide for enough voting hours.
This way I don't have to make out a new contio/vote schedule..

The elections may still be held for the Editor Aquila and the
proposed legislaton.

I will formalize things within a day, including the final texts of
all the legislations, forwarding the instructions to the webmaster,
diribitores and custodes.

April is the busiest month for religious days and it is tricky to
get a schedule that is compatible. Why I checked again. Also, I
dont know if this calendar changes..another reason I rechecked. But
I thought,since I had the auspices, I wasn't going to allow our
candidate for Editor Aquila to wait for election any longer than
need be.

Thank you et valete



Vale






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A. Tullia Scholastica Consuli Pompeiae Minuciae Straboni quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
bonae uoluntatis S.P.D.

This message didn't arrive in my mailbox...

Just a little election comment below.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> wrote:

>
> Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Quiritibus S.P.D.:
>
> For your information and assurance:
>
> I am aware of the 25 being a nefastus. I spotted this about about 8
> days or so ago in rechecking things; what I shall do is close the
> cista for this day of the election period and allow voting for the
> following days. This will still provide for enough voting hours.
> This way I don't have to make out a new contio/vote schedule..
>
> The elections may still be held for the Editor Aquila and the
> proposed legislaton.
>
> I will formalize things within a day, including the final texts of
> all the legislations, forwarding the instructions to the webmaster,
> diribitores and custodes.
>
> April is the busiest month for religious days and it is tricky to
> get a schedule that is compatible. Why I checked again. Also, I
> dont know if this calendar changes..another reason I rechecked. But
> I thought,since I had the auspices, I wasn't going to allow our
> candidate for Editor Aquila to wait for election any longer than
> need be.

ATS: What about the candidate for censor? And are there any others?

>
> Thank you et valete
>
>
>
> Vale
>

Valete,

Scholastica

---Salve Flavia et Salvete Omnes:

I thank you very much for your kind concern; the Consuls are aware
that a new Censor needs to be elected. I guess I perhaps delivered
my point rather poorly when I discussed the difficulty in
reconciling religious dates with civil matters during the month of
April.

Valete
Pompeia Minucia Strabo
Consul Minor

Valete
Pompeia Minucia Strabo




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "flaviascholastica" <fororom@...>
wrote:

>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Consuli Pompeiae Minuciae Straboni

quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque

> bonae uoluntatis S.P.D.
>
> This message didn't arrive in my mailbox...
>
> Just a little election comment below.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
> <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@> wrote:
> >
> > Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Quiritibus S.P.D.:
> >
> > For your information and assurance:
> >
> > I am aware of the 25 being a nefastus. I spotted this about

about 8

> > days or so ago in rechecking things; what I shall do is close

the

> > cista for this day of the election period and allow voting for

the

> > following days. This will still provide for enough voting

hours.

> > This way I don't have to make out a new contio/vote schedule..
> >
> > The elections may still be held for the Editor Aquila and the
> > proposed legislaton.
> >
> > I will formalize things within a day, including the final texts

of

> > all the legislations, forwarding the instructions to the

webmaster,

> > diribitores and custodes.
> >
> > April is the busiest month for religious days and it is tricky

to

> > get a schedule that is compatible. Why I checked again. Also, I
> > dont know if this calendar changes..another reason I rechecked.

But

> > I thought,since I had the auspices, I wasn't going to allow our
> > candidate for Editor Aquila to wait for election any longer than
> > need be.
>
> ATS: What about the candidate for censor? And are there any

others?

> >
> > Thank you et valete
> >
> >
> >
> > Vale
> >
>
> Valete,
>
> Scholastica
>

Ex Officio Praetoria Dacia
SPQR - Castrum Apulum.
a.d. XII Kal.Maias MMDCCLIX.
April 21th, 2759 a.U.c.


Nova Romans from Italy !


It's a great honour for us to salute you with the Roma's anniversary
day ocassion.

With the great dedication for the Roman tradition and culture of F.
Apulus Caesar, M. Constantinus Serapio, D. Constantinus Fuscus, M.
Iulius Perusianus, L. Iulius Sulla, M. Quirinus Sulla, A. Sollaris
Marulinus, to distinguish only a few from you, between Dacia and
Italia a good relationship were established in the last two years,
for the benefit of the both provinces.

We will have the same and continous good colaboration in the next
years.

For Roma Aeterna !


OPTIME VALETE,
Concilium Trium Daciarum :
T.Iulius Sabinus, I.Iulia Cytheris Aege, C.Marius Maior
Concilium Legati Dacia :
M. Prometheus Decius, Q. Iulius Probus.

The British Empire was simply a collection of trading posts that had
morphed ever further into the hinterlands of the lands where they
were situated, either in pursuit of further resources or in order to
eradicate threats to trade (European or "native"). The Roman Empire
in its early years was a series of provinces that fell into the lap
of a reluctant mistress, either wrested from Carthage or occupied to
eradicate a threat to Rome's security. Even Napoleon, one of the few
who could be said to have "planned" to create an empire to some
extent blundered into some of his possessions.

The Romans built their Empire for two reasons. One was deliberate, the
other
accidental.

The deliberate was about extending defense in depth. Roman armies would
rather fight
in the enemy's homeland, expending enemy logistics, and not exposing the
Roman population to the ravages of war.

The further the buffer zone from the enemy was away from Rome, the better.
As soon as Rome erected this buffer zone, they proceeded to Romanize it using
colonies of retired legionaries who were to work the land but were ready to
return to the standards. This gave Rome a live in garrison. If this was
impossible, then either allies, or clients would be enrolled
to act as the live in garrison, but they served at Rome's pleasure.

The idea was if the enemy attacked, they would have to fight their way
across the buffer
and by the time they reached the Roman homeland, would have been damaged and
ripe for Roman counterattack. This was why Rome occupied Cisalpine Gaul,
Spain and Dalmatia right after the Second Punic War.

By Imperial times after the Great Civil War, Rome now faced a problem with
Imperial succession. The outlying provinces gave the Imperators the greatest
headache since
claiments to the Curule Chair likle
Imperialism, as a defined concept, didn't really emerge in Britain
until long after 1776, a product of Disraeli's fertile political
acumen. Gladstone and Liberals had to coin a reason to stay
embroiled in the mud of imperialism (giving up an Empire that isn't
in decay would have been political suicide), and the great Christian
moralists of the day invented the concept of the "white man's
burden". Given the propensity of the inhabitants of some of our
former colonies to still routinely butcher each other in great
numbers and in the case of one of their leaders (not an isolated
case sadly) to keep the heads of his victims in his fridge for
steady consumption, I don't think they were very successful. Better
to have recognized the nature and consequences of Empire for what
they truly were, rather than the white-wash of missionary work.

Wars of liberation almost always end up in periods of occupation,
very long periods at that. It is at that point that the lines get
blurred. In Rome, the Senate finally conceded defeat on its attempts
to withdraw and simply embarked on annexation. Much more efficient.

Your nation faces a similar quandary each time it "liberates"
someone. Given the simple fact that liberation becomes occupation it
may be a wise course for a nation that recognises that (in advance
of the invasion) to simply face facts and plan accordingly.

The USA is an imperial power without an empire. Imperial patterns of
thought and policy are dictating its course, just as they did in
Rome and Britain. It would be a lot more efficient, honest and
possibly with better planning less costly in life to recognise that
and do the job properly (or not at all). Half-measures end in
disaster and "liberation" is always in the eye of the beholder.






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> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Aureliae Falconi Siluanae quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque omnibus bonae uoluntatis S.P.D.
>
> From Ludi Circenses II post # 43271
>
> <snip>
>> > This race will pit the formidable Velociraptor, Praesina, with
>> > two Albata representatives, Ars Longa and the Love Chariot.
>
> <snip>
>> > the less elegant plebeian sections, hopes are pinned on the
>> > blond giant, Spandex, or the crafty Latina Harmonia, recalling
>> > that her owner had once been one of them.
>
> GAFS: Well, at least the plebs have a couple of entries they can
> genuinely . . .um . . . relate to . . . as it were . . .
>
> ATS: Yes, they do have to have something onto which they can hang their
> hopes.
>
>> > It looks as though Spandex' horses are tiring at last; he's a
>> > big guy, and the reinforced chariot is extra heavy--but is it a
>> > trick? Does Spandex have something in mind? Hmmmm. . . Now
>> > they're coming into the far turn again, about to round the
>> > spina. The Love Chariot leads, followed closely by Ars Longa.
>> > Petronius Gnipho edges close to the spina; his head is turned
>> > to gauge his distance; the roar of the crowd is deafening--and
>> > he doesn't notice that Velociraptor is aiming its arrowhead
>> > point at an angle meant to intercept Ars Longa. Oh, NO!
>> > Velociraptor has rammed Ars Longa into the spina! Consul Po
>> > gasps in horror; the color drains from Censor Marinus' face...
>
> <big snip>
>
> GAFS: Well, actually, we've done a whack of questioning and
> investigating on this one. It seems the glare of the sunlight
> and the clouds of dust may have led to a misinterpretation of
> events here.
>
> ATS: Yes, it was very sunny, and so dry that it was getting quite dusty
> amid those churning hooves.
>
> Spandex is one shrewd auriga, and was in the midst of trying to
> shoot through the slot opened just in front of Gnipho and Ars
> Longa. It seems, in talking to Gnipho afterwards, that he
> may have taken Spandex's move to be just another feint, and
> having had a bellyful of trying to figure out when Spandex was
> just harassing him vs. genuinely making a move, he discounted
> Spandex in favour of trying to calculate what Latina was up to.
>
> Large mistake. As Gnipho laid on the lash to burst into the
> open slot alongside the spina, both he and Spandex learned that
> two particles of equal energy cannot occupy the same space in
> the universe at the same time. It didn't help, either, that
> Gnipho's off-horse panicked in the close quarters and tumult.
>
> ATS: Really? The near funalis is more important, however, and Gnipho¹s
> funales, like the yoke horses, were experienced racehorses.
>
> As to "ramming" as a tactic, in the of case chariots this
> involves sacrificing one's horses--a guaranteed losing proposition
> and something Spandex as chief caretaker of the Domus's stables,
> would never do. In naval warfare, the ship's rostrum precedes
> all else, and makes first contact with the hull of the opposing
> ship. A chariot is a different matter, whatever its shape, for
> it must necessarily be preceded by the living, breathing,
> blood-pumping bodies of its horses. A cataclysmic side-swipe
> is possible, but I doubt that even Heriodias (she of the liberal
> whip-hand) would commit horseflesh to the punishment of ramming
> another chariot.
>
> ATS: No, of course not, but it seemed that it was necessary to angle
> over, then whack Ars Longa with the chariot body, NOT with valuable
> horseflesh.
>
> Domus Aurelia Falco has done rather well in the Munera
> Gladiatoria, and has suffered less financial damage than some
> other owners. In tribute to the courage of Gnipho and the spirit
> of his horses, we have offered to contribute half the costs of
> constructing Ars Longa II.
>
> ATS: That¹s very generous of you! How kind! I believe that Ars Longa
> was already the third of that name, however, so it would have to be Ars Longa
> IV.
>
> Valete bene, omnes, in pace Deorum.
>
> C. Aurelia Falco Silvana, owner
> Spandex the Vandal and Velociraptor
>
> Owner, winningest and most popular gladiator
> Baro (called "The Clumsy")
>
> Optime uale et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>
>
>

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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem XI Kalendas Maius; haec dies nefastus publicus
est.

"Amulius now being dead and matters quietly disposed, the two brothers
would neither dwell in Alba without governing there, nor take the
government into their own hands during the life of their grandfather.
Having therefore delivered the dominion up into his hands, and paid
their mother befitting honor, they resolved to live by themselves, and
build a city in the same place where they were in their infancy
brought up. This seems the most honorable reason for their departure;
though perhaps it was necessary, having such a body of slaves and
fugitives collected about them, either to come to nothing by
dispersing them, or if not so, then to live with them elsewhere. For
that the inhabitants of Alba did not think fugitives worthy of being
received and incorporated as citizens among them plainly appears from
the matter of the women, an attempt made not wantonly but of
necessity, because they could not get wives by good-will. For they
certainly paid unusual respect and honor to those whom they thus
forcibly seized.

Not long after the first foundation of the city, they opened a
sanctuary of refuge for all fugitives, which they called the temple of
the god Asylaeus, where they received and protected all, delivering
none back, neither the servant to his master, the debtor to his
creditor, nor the murderer into the hands of the magistrate, saying it
was a privileged place, and they could so maintain it by an order of
the holy oracle; insomuch that the city grew presently very populous,
for, they say, it consisted at first of no more than a thousand
houses. But of that hereafter.

Their minds being fully bent upon building, there arose presently a
difference about the place where. Romulus chose what was called Roma
Quadrata, or the Square Rome, and would have the city there. Remus
laid out a piece of ground on the Aventine Mount, well fortified by
nature, which was from him called Remonium, but now Rignarium.
Concluding at last to decide the contest by a divination from a flight
of birds, and placing themselves apart at some distance, Remus, they
say, saw six vultures, and Romulus double the number; others say Remus
did truly see his number, and that Romulus feigned his, but, when
Remus came to him, that then he did, indeed, see twelve. Hence it is
that the Romans, in their divinations from birds, chiefly regard the
vulture, though Herodorus Ponticus relates that Hercules was always
very joyful when a vulture appeared to him upon any action. For it is
a creature the least hurtful of any, pernicious neither to corn,
fruit-tree, nor cattle; it preys only upon carrion, and never kills or
hurts any living thing; and as for birds, it touches not them, though
they are dead, as being of its own species, whereas eagles, owls, and
hawks mangle and kill their own fellow-creatures; yet, as Aeschylus
says,

'What bird is clean that preys on fellow bird?'

Besides all other birds are, so to say, never out of our eyes; they
let themselves be seen of us continually; but a vulture is a very rare
sight, and you can seldom meet with a man that has seen their young;
their rarity and infrequency has raised a strange opinion in some,
that they come to us from some other world; as soothsayers ascribe a
divine origination to all things not produced either of nature or of
themselves.

When Remus knew the cheat, he was much displeased; and as Romulus was
casting up a ditch, where he designed the foundation of the citywall,
he turned some pieces of the work to ridicule, and obstructed others:
at last, as he was in contempt leaping over it, some say Romulus
himself struck him, others Celer, one of his companions; he fell,
however, and in the scuffle Faustulus also was slain, and Plistinus,
who, being Faustulus's brother, story tells us, helped to bring up
Romulus. Celer upon this fled instantly into Tuscany, and from him the
Romans call all men that are swift of foot Celeres; and because
Quintus Metellus, at his father's funeral, in a few days' time gave
the people a show of gladiators, admiring his expedition in getting it
ready, they gave him the name of Celer.

Romulus, having buried his brother Remus, together with his two
foster-fathers, on the mount Remonia, set to building his city; and
sent for men out of Tuscany, who directed him by sacred usages and
written rules in all the ceremonies to be observed, as in a religious
rite. First, they dug a round trench about that which is now the
Comitium, or Court of Assembly, and into it solemnly threw the first-
fruits of all things either good by custom or necessary by nature;
lastly, every man taking a small piece of earth of the country from
whence he came, they all threw them in promiscuously together. This
trench they call, as they do the heavens, Mundus; making which their
center, they described the city in a circle round it. Then the founder
fitted to a plow a brazen plowshare, and, yoking together a bull and a
cow, drove himself a deep line or furrow round the bounds; while the
business of those that followed after was to see that whatever earth
was thrown up should be turned all inwards towards the city, and not
to let any clod lie outside. With this line they described the wall,
and called it, by a contraction, Pomoerium, that is, post murum, after
or beside the wall; and where they designed to make a gate, there they
took out the share, carried the plow over, and left a space; for which
reason they consider the whole wall as holy, except where the gates
are; for had they adjudged them also sacred, they could not, without
offense to religion, have given free ingress and egress for the
necessaries of human life, some of which are in themselves unclean.

As for the day they began to build the city, it is universally agreed
to have been the twenty-first of April, and that day the Romans
annually keep holy, calling it their country's birthday. At first,
they say, they sacrificed no living creature on this day, thinking it
fit to preserve the feast of their country's birthday pure and without
stain of blood. Yet before ever the city was built, there was a feast
of herdsmen and shepherds kept on this day, which went by the name of
Palilia." - Plutarch, Lives, "Romulus" 9-12


"After the government of Alba was thus transferred to Numitor, Romulus
and Remus were seized with the desire of building a city in the
locality where they had been exposed. There was the superfluous
population of the Alban and Latin towns, to these were added the
shepherds: it was natural to hope that with all these Alba would be
small and Lavinium small in comparison with the city which was to be
founded. These pleasant anticipations were disturbed by the ancestral
curse -ambition-which led to a deplorable quarrel over what was at
first a trivial matter. As they were twins and no claim to precedence
could be based on seniority, they decided to consult the tutelary
deities of the place by means of augury as to who was to give his name
to the new city, and who was to rule it after it had been founded.
Romulus accordingly selected the Palatine as his station for
observation, Remus the Aventine. Remus is said to have been the first
to receive an omen: six vultures appeared to him. The augury had just
been announced to Romulus when double the number appeared to him. Each
was saluted as king by his own party. The one side based their claim
on the priority of the appearance, the other on the number of the
birds. Then followed an angry altercation; heated passions led to
bloodshed; in the tumult Remus was killed. The more common report is
that Remus contemptuously jumped over the newly raised walls and was
forthwith killed by the enraged Romulus, who exclaimed, 'So shall it
be henceforth with every one who leaps over my walls.' Romulus thus
became sole ruler, and the city was called after him, its founder." -
Livy, History of Rome 1.6-7


"The town, which in the course of centuries grew up as Rome, in its
original form embraced according to trustworthy testimony only the
Palatine, or 'square Rome' ('Roma quadrata'), as it was called in
later times from the irregularly quadrangular form of the Palatine
hill. The gates and walls that enclosed this original city remained
visible down to the period of the empire: the sites of two of the
former, the Porta Romana near S. Giorgio in Velabro, and the Porta
Mugionis at the Arch of Titus, are still known to us, and the Palatine
ring-wall is described by Tacitus from his own observation at least on
the sides looking towards the Aventine and Caelian. Many traces
indicate that this was the centre and original seat of the urban
settlement. On the Palatine was to be found the sacred symbol of that
settlement, the 'outfit-vault' ('mundus') as it was called, in which
the first settlers deposited a sufficiency of everything necessary for
a household and added a clod of their dear native earth. There, too,
was situated the building in which all the curies assembled for
religious and other purposes, each at its own hearth ('curiae
veteres'). There stood the meetinghouse of the "Leapers" ('curia
Saliorum') in which also the sacred shields of Mars were preserved,
the sanctuary of the "Wolves" ('Lupercal'), and the dwelling of the
priest of Jupiter. On and near this hill the legend of the founding of
the city placed the scenes of its leading incidents, and the straw-
covered house of Romulus, the shepherd's hut of his foster-father
Faustulus, the sacred fig-tree towards which the cradle with the twins
had floated, the cornelian cherry-tree that sprang from the shaft of
the spear which the founder of the city had hurled from the Aventine
over the valley of the Circus into this enclosure, and other such
sacred relics were pointed out to the believer. Temples in the proper
sense of the term were still at this time unknown, and accordingly the
Palatine has nothing of that sort to show belonging to the primitive
age. The public assemblies of the community were early transferred to
another locality, so that their original site is unknown; only it may
be conjectured that the free space round the mundus, afterwards called
the 'area Apollinis', was the primitive place of assembly for the
burgesses and the senate, and the stage erected over the -mundus-
itself the primitive seat of justice of the Roman community." -
Mommsen, History of Rome ch. 1 p.22

"The night has gone: dawn breaks. I'm called upon to sing
Of the Parilia, and not in vain if kindly Pales aids me.
Kindly Pales, if I respect your festival,
Then aid me as I sing of pastoral rites.
Indeed, I've often brought ashes of a calf, and stalks
Of beans, in chaste purification, in my full hands:
Indeed, I've leapt the threefold line of flames,
And the wet laurel's sprinkled me with dew.
The goddess, moved, blesses the work: my ship
Sets sail: may favourable winds fill my sails.
Go, people: bring fumigants from the Virgin's altar:
Vesta will grant them, Vesta's gift will purify.
The fumigants are horse blood and calf's ashes,
And thirdly the stripped stalks of stringy beans.
Shepherd, purify your sated sheep at twilight:
First sprinkle the ground with water, and sweep it,
And decorate the sheepfold with leaves and branches,
And hide the festive door with a trailing garland.
Make dark smoke with pure burning sulphur,
And let the sheep bleat, in contact with the smoke.
Burn male-olive wood, and pine, and juniper fronds,
And let scorched laurel crackle in the hearth.
Let a basket of millet keep the millet cakes company:
The rural goddess particularly loves that food.
Add meats, and a pail of her milk, and when the meat
Is cut, offer the warm milk, pray to sylvan Pales,
Saying: `Protect the cattle and masters alike:
And drive everything harmful from my stalls.
If I've fed sheep on sacred ground, sat under a sacred tree,
While they've unwittingly browsed the grass on graves:
If I've entered a forbidden grove, or the nymphs
And the god, half-goat, have fled at sight of me:
If my knife has pruned the copse of a shady bough,
To fill a basket of leaves for a sick ewe:
Forgive me. Don't count it against me, if I've sheltered
My flock, while it hailed, in some rustic shrine,
Don't harm me for troubling the pools. Nymphs,
Forgive, if trampling hooves have muddied your waters.
Goddess, placate the springs, and placate their divinities
On our behalf, and the gods too, scattered in every grove...
We have come To the City's founding.
Great Quirinus, witness your deeds!
Amulius had already been punished, and all
The shepherd folk were subject to the twins,
Who agreed to gather the men together to build walls:
The question was as to which of them should do it.
Romulus said: `There's no need to fight about it:
Great faith is placed in birds, let's judge by birds.'
That seemed fine. One tried the rocks of the wooded Palatine,
The other climbed at dawn to the Aventine's summit.
Remus saw six birds, Romulus twelve in a row.
They stuck to the pact, and Romulus was granted the City.
A day was chosen for him to mark out the walls with a plough.
The festival of Pales was near: the work was started then.
They trenched to the solid rock, threw fruits of the harvest
Into its depths, with soil from the ground nearby.
The ditch was filled with earth, and topped by an altar,
And a fire was duly kindled on the new-made hearth.
Then, bearing down on the plough handle, he marked the walls:
The yoke was borne by a white cow and a snowy ox.
So spoke the king: `Be with me, as I found my City,
Jupiter, Father Mavors, and Mother Vesta:
And all you gods, whom piety summons, take note.
Let my work be done beneath your auspices.
May it last long, and rule a conquered world,
All subject, from the rising to the setting day.'
Jupiter added his omen to Romulus' prayer, with thunder
On the left, and his lightning flashed leftward in the sky.
Delighted by this, the citizens laid foundations,
And the new walls were quickly raised.
The work was overseen by Celer, whom Romulus named,
Saying: `Celer, make it your care to see no one crosses
Walls or trench that we've ploughed: kill whoever dares.'
Remus, unknowingly, began to mock the low walls,
saying: `Will the people be safe behind these?'
He leapt them, there and then. Celer struck the rash man
With his shovel: Remus sank, bloodied, to the stony ground.
When the king heard, he smothered his rising tears,
And kept the grief locked in his heart.
He wouldn't weep in public, but set an example of fortitude,
Saying: `So dies the enemy who shall cross my walls.'
But he granted him funeral honours, and couldn't
Hold back his tears, and the love he tried to hide was obvious.
When they set down the bier, he gave it a last kiss,
And said: `Farewell, my brother, taken against my will!'
And he anointed the body for burning. Faustulus, and Acca
Her hair loosened in mourning, did as he did.
Then the as yet unnamed Quirites wept for the youth:
And finally the pyre, wet by their tears, was lit.
A City arose, destined (who'd have believed it then?)
To plant its victorious foot upon all the lands...
And as long as you stand, sublime, in a conquered world,
May all others fail to reach your shoulders." - Ovid, Fasti IV


Today is the celebration of the Palilia/Romaea. The Palilia is the
festival of Pales, the tutelary divinity of shepherds. (Some of the
ancient writers called this festival the Parilia.) The first part of
the solemnities was a public purification by fire and smoke. The
things burned in order to produce this purifying smoke were the blood
of the October horse, the ashes of the unborn calves from the
Fordicidia, and the shells of beans. The Vestals mixed these
ingredients to create suffimentum, a sort of incense that was
distributed at the altar of Vesta as a fertility charm.

The private rituals were observed primarily by farmers in rural areas.
At earliest dawn the sheep fold had to be cleansed with water, swept,
and decorated with laurel branches and a wreath at its entrance. The
sheep were fumigated with sulfur, and then a fire of olive and pine
wood was kindled. The crackling of laurel branches thrown into it gave
a good omen. Offerings of millet, food, and pails of milk were
brought. Facing the east, the shepherds then prayed to Pales four
times, seeking protection for themselves and their flocks and
forgiveness for any unwitting transgressions. They washed their hands
in dew, drank burranica (milk mixed with must), and were sprinkled
with water shaken from laurel branches. The worshipers lay about
eating and drinking on the grass and after twilight leaped through
bonfires of straw set three in a row, a rite which they believed would
make women fruitful.

Ovid relates that the Palilia was believed to be older than the
foundation of Rome, and it was supposed that Romulus laid out the
first boundary of the city on the very day of the festival in 753 BC,
so that April 21 was henceforth celebrated as the birthday of Rome. By
the third century AD, the old name Palilia had been replaced with
Romaea, the Roman Festival, because of its association with the
birthday of Rome --- natalis urbis Romaea. Numa Pompilius is also said
to have been born on this day.

Valete bene, and Happy Birthday to Rome!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Livy, Plutarch, Palilia/Romaea (http://lonestar.texas.net/
~robison/palilia.html)

Metellus Omnibus salutem.

> When Remus knew the cheat, he was much displeased; and as Romulus was
> casting up a ditch, where he designed the foundation of the citywall,
> he turned some pieces of the work to ridicule, and obstructed others:
> at last, as he was in contempt leaping over it, some say Romulus
> himself struck him, others Celer, one of his companions; he fell,
> however, and in the scuffle Faustulus also was slain, and Plistinus,
> who, being Faustulus's brother, story tells us, helped to bring up
> Romulus. Celer upon this fled instantly into Tuscany, and from him the
> Romans call all men that are swift of foot Celeres; and because
> Quintus Metellus, at his father's funeral, in a few days' time gave
> the people a show of gladiators, admiring his expedition in getting it
> ready, they gave him the name of Celer.

Of course, I'm always happy to hear the name of any Metellus, and especially
of a Quintus Metellus.

Indeed today is a day for festivities, and one for an offering. At present,
it's still dark in my part of things, though later today I'll be making a
libation to Pales.

Since it is the birthday of our ancestral patria, for those of you who have
the time and means, it may be perhaps fitting as well to make private
offerings to Quirinus Pater, Mater Vesta, and as well to our ancestors, and to
any other deities you choose to invite. I'll post the text of the former
offering on this list and the Religio Romana list; the latter I'll post only
on the Religio Romana list.

May the Gods smile on us all today as we remember the beginnings of our great
City.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus,
Pontifex

C. Aurelia Falco Silvana civibus Novae Romae SPD.

Of interest to all who care about eagles, you now have a chance
to watch (live!) the hatching of eagle chicks in their natural
habitat. These are the white-capped/tailed bald eagles of North
America. Hatching is due about April 25. An inspiring project
which might be adaptable to helping the Imperial eagle survive
in Europe. Devotees of Minerva have a chance to watch owls too--
see near the end of the article. :-D

The article is from our local newspaper. For convenience, here
are the links embedded in the body of the article. (I have
revised one of them because the original didn't work.)

Valete bene in pace Deorum

C. Aurelia Falco Silvana



Hancock Wildlife Channel eaglecam:
http://www.infotecbusinesssystems.com/wildlife/

alternative, with full-screen images:
mms://array.galaxytelevision.net/hanlive.wsx

[This mms site requires Realplayer, downloadable at
http://www.real.com/playerplus/index.html?src=realplayer ]

And when it is dark on Hornby Island, the following site offers
file photos of the eagles:
http://www.hornbyisland.com/eagles.htm



HORNBY'S EAGLE FAMILY FASCINATES WATCHERS WORLD WIDE OVER THE WEB
(Angela Pacienza, Canadian Press)

A webcam focused on the nest of a pair of expectant eagles on
B.C.'s Hornby Island has become an Internet hit attracting
millions of visitors.

"If you had an eagle nest in your backyard, you'd get quite
interested--you just HAVE to watch them," said Doug Carrick, a
retired accountant who helped organize the eagle cam hidden in
a tree behind his house. The eagles can be viewed at
http://www.infotecbusinesssystems.com/wildlife/

It doesn't stop there. Animal enthusiasts can go online for an
intimate glimpse of everything from flamingos to panda bears and
storks.

"It's something different--you never know what you're going to
see," said Greg Trepanier, a computer expert who works at a
marketing company in rural Ontario.

Trepanier helped set up a webcam outside the offices of Tamarack
Creek in Dunvegan, east of Ottawa, about five years ago so
clients in cities like Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto could "have a
look at what's going on in the country," he said. "People who
are in their little cubicles who don't even have a window, here's
a window to the world for them."

While Trepanier hasn't counted the number of visitors, he says
there's a strong following for the cardinals, finches and evening
grosbeaks that peck away at the feeder. The birds are captured
via a tiny webcam about the size of a tube of lipstick.

The side is addictive, he says--"I can't explain it." The link
can be found at www.tam-creek.ca/fresh-air.html.
[GAFS note: I couldn't make this link work.]

"We've had a lot of people watching."

Carrick said he's been stunned by the number of people interested
in the Hornby Island eagles. The eagle cam, set up last October
by Hancock House Publishers and Infotec Business Systems,
receives about 20 million hits daily, said Infotec's Edward Clunn.
It's also attracted widespread media interest, including on CNN
and CBS.

"Our challenge is to be able to manage the network traffic that
this thing is generating," said Clunn.

And traffic will only get busier as the hatch date, expected to
be around April 25, approaches.

"It's impressive how much this has caught on," said Clunn. "We've
had people watching it in Europe."

Carrick, 73, said he's been watching eagles nest near his house
ever since he moved to Hornby Island, off the east coast of
Vancouver Island, following his retirement, and is delighted
others now find them so fascinating. He said he's learned a lot
about the birds thanks to the webcam.

"They've taken on personalities which I didn't realize in my
15 years of watching," he said. "It's such a close-up, intimate
picture. I think of them as a mother and father, caring people
with personalities."

Besides attracting nature enthusiasts, animal webcam sites are
also a hit with teachers who like to use them in their curricula,
said Scott Zoog, who runs a camera aimed at a pair of cuddly
white barn owls in Benecia, Calif.

"(The owls) are like their virtual classroom pets," he said of
the elementary classes that keep an eye on the owls, named Frida
and Diego, at www.theowlcam.com.

Zoog, 38, says the site, started over a year ago, averages about
1,500 visitors daily.

"It's been awesome," he said. "We couldn't believe in the first
year it was up how much traffic we got."

A glass and metal sculptor, Zoog said he never imagined he'd end
up running an owl webcam and now says he can't imagine ever
taking it down.

Some other interesting animal cams:

--The National Zoological Park, part of the Smithsonian Insti-
tution, in Washington, D.C., has more than a dozen webcams
ioncluding one for flamingos, a tiger, elephant, panda, octopus
and naked mole-rat. Go to http://nationalzoo.si.edu/animals.

--The Vetschau/Spree Forest Stork Centre lets you glimpse the
life of storks in the town of Vetschau, Germany, at
www.storchennest.de

--The Monterey Bay Aquarium in California has webcams aimed at
penguins, otters, sharks and other animals. Visit
www.mbayaq.org/efc

Salvete omnes!

OOPS: for those interested, the National Zoo at the Smithsonian,
with its live webcam links, is at a recently revised edress:

http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/WebCams

Valete bene in pace Deorum
C. Aurelia Falco Silvana

Dear fellow citizens of Nova Roma,

I have, unfortunately, only had very little success with my poll. Not many people have followed the link to answer my questions. This means, that I have not got a good user profile of Nova Roma to put into my paper.

Please help me with my paper and take 5 minutes to answer the following 8 questions and sending them to me under tiberius_ann (at) yahoo.com or posting your answer on this list. Of course, if you have allready answered the questions in the poll at the link I posted earlier, then you do not have to do so again.

I would be very grateful for your help. Greets, Thomas Hänzi

Here come the questions:

1) Which language is your mother tongue?

2) What is the first foreign language you learned?

3) What does it mean to you, if someone writes in English?
Possible answers: nothing special / The ID of the user is speaking Latin / The user is writing in the official language

4) What does it mean to you, if someone writes in another language than English?
Possible answers: nothing special / The user doesn't speak English / The user doesn't want to speak English

5) How do you feel should be dealt with language issues in Nova Roma?
Possible answers: Only English should be allowed / English and in emergencies one other language should be allowed / Every language should be allowed, as long as translations can be supplied

6) In which languages do you feel competent? (What competent is, is up to you to decide in this question)

7) In which languages can you write a simple letter?

8) In which languages do you feel you could communicate freely.

Thanks again for your speedy and numerous answers!!



Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
Lictor curiatus of Nova Roma
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Owner of the winning chariot in the Championshipf of Factio Praesina 2756

Owner of the winning chariot in the Ludi Cerialis 2758

Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt or http://www.tylus.ch.tt

Citizen of RPR, the IR and Tylus







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> A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Annaeo Othoni quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> omnibus bonae uoluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Why don¹t you give it a few more days? Many people are away on vacation
> until Sunday or Monday, whereupon they must catch up.
>
> Secondly, hier in Neues-Roemerreich, wenige Leute Deutsch lesen koennen
> (hope I got that right...). Sad, but true‹and those of us who did study
> German either got the dumbed-down version taught in recent years or had
> Deutsch so long ago that, like yours truly, they have forgotten an enormous
> amount, however good they used to be, and however diligent their instruction.
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
> Dear fellow citizens of Nova Roma,
>
> I have, unfortunately, only had very little success with my poll. Not many
> people have followed the link to answer my questions. This means, that I have
> not got a good user profile of Nova Roma to put into my paper.
>
> Please help me with my paper and take 5 minutes to answer the following 8
> questions and sending them to me under tiberius_ann (at) yahoo.com or posting
> your answer on this list. Of course, if you have allready answered the
> questions in the poll at the link I posted earlier, then you do not have to do
> so again.
>
> I would be very grateful for your help. Greets, Thomas Hänzi
>
> Here come the questions:
>
> 1) Which language is your mother tongue?
>
> 2) What is the first foreign language you learned?
>
> 3) What does it mean to you, if someone writes in English?
> Possible answers: nothing special / The ID of the user is speaking
> Latin / The user is writing in the official language
>
> 4) What does it mean to you, if someone writes in another language than
> English?
> Possible answers: nothing special / The user doesn't speak English /
> The user doesn't want to speak English
>
> 5) How do you feel should be dealt with language issues in Nova Roma?
> Possible answers: Only English should be allowed / English and in
> emergencies one other language should be allowed / Every language should be
> allowed, as long as translations can be supplied
>
> 6) In which languages do you feel competent? (What competent is, is up to
> you to decide in this question)
>
> 7) In which languages can you write a simple letter?
>
> 8) In which languages do you feel you could communicate freely.
>
> Thanks again for your speedy and numerous answers!!
>
>
>
> Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
> Lictor curiatus of Nova Roma
> Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
> Owner of the winning chariot in the Championshipf of Factio Praesina 2756
>
> Owner of the winning chariot in the Ludi Cerialis 2758
>
> Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt or http://www.tylus.ch.tt
>
> Citizen of RPR, the IR and Tylus
>
>
>
>
>

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Salve iterum,

I know the language situation of Nova Roma very well, believe me. ;)

Why do I hurry so? Very simple, I forgot to do so earlier and now I have to hand the first draft of my paper in very soon. In the last 3 days, I researched and wrote 7000 words worth of academic paper and 51 pages all in all, including the appendix.

"A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:

> A. Tullia Scholastica Ti. Annaeo Othoni quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> omnibus bonae uoluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Why don¹t you give it a few more days? Many people are away on vacation
> until Sunday or Monday, whereupon they must catch up.
>
> Secondly, hier in Neues-Roemerreich, wenige Leute Deutsch lesen koennen
> (hope I got that right...). Sad, but true‹and those of us who did study
> German either got the dumbed-down version taught in recent years or had
> Deutsch so long ago that, like yours truly, they have forgotten an enormous
> amount, however good they used to be, and however diligent their instruction.
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
> Dear fellow citizens of Nova Roma,
>
> I have, unfortunately, only had very little success with my poll. Not many
> people have followed the link to answer my questions. This means, that I have
> not got a good user profile of Nova Roma to put into my paper.
>
> Please help me with my paper and take 5 minutes to answer the following 8
> questions and sending them to me under tiberius_ann (at) yahoo.com or posting
> your answer on this list. Of course, if you have allready answered the
> questions in the poll at the link I posted earlier, then you do not have to do
> so again.
>
> I would be very grateful for your help. Greets, Thomas Hänzi
>
> Here come the questions:
>
> 1) Which language is your mother tongue?
>
> 2) What is the first foreign language you learned?
>
> 3) What does it mean to you, if someone writes in English?
> Possible answers: nothing special / The ID of the user is speaking
> Latin / The user is writing in the official language
>
> 4) What does it mean to you, if someone writes in another language than
> English?
> Possible answers: nothing special / The user doesn't speak English /
> The user doesn't want to speak English
>
> 5) How do you feel should be dealt with language issues in Nova Roma?
> Possible answers: Only English should be allowed / English and in
> emergencies one other language should be allowed / Every language should be
> allowed, as long as translations can be supplied
>
> 6) In which languages do you feel competent? (What competent is, is up to
> you to decide in this question)
>
> 7) In which languages can you write a simple letter?
>
> 8) In which languages do you feel you could communicate freely.
>
> Thanks again for your speedy and numerous answers!!
>
>
>
> Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
> Lictor curiatus of Nova Roma
> Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
> Owner of the winning chariot in the Championshipf of Factio Praesina 2756
>
> Owner of the winning chariot in the Ludi Cerialis 2758
>
> Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt or http://www.tylus.ch.tt
>
> Citizen of RPR, the IR and Tylus
>
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>
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M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;

it is with real joy that I announce the debut of
VOX ROMANA our podcast devoted to all things Roman
on this most auspicious day the Birthday of Rome

here are our websites, ones is for RSS feed, if you don't know what
this is, don't worry just go to our ordinary website, and select the
first podcast audiofile link from the list of podcasts:

http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana

We have an xml-site which allows you to subscribe to our podcast via
RSS syndication, and listen to our podcasts at itunes:

http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/podcast.xml

enjoy!! Learn about the Birthday of Rome, all the news in NR,
say 'hi' in Latin & hear the Aeneid in the original
bene vale in pace deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior, aedilis plebis
Producer, VOX ROMANA

Salve,

I just listened to the Vox Romana podcast and it was FANTASTIC!!!!!!
Congratulations to all involved in it's production. I'm putting the
link to the site on my two weblogs(Gens Servilia and a new one for
AMS Province I'm working on).

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

On Apr 21, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Maior wrote:

M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;

it is with real joy that I announce the debut of
VOX ROMANA our podcast devoted to all things Roman
on this most auspicious day the Birthday of Rome

here are our websites, ones is for RSS feed, if you don't know what
this is, don't worry just go to our ordinary website, and select the
first podcast audiofile link from the list of podcasts:

http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana

We have an xml-site which allows you to subscribe to our podcast via
RSS syndication, and listen to our podcasts at itunes:

http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/podcast.xml

enjoy!! Learn about the Birthday of Rome, all the news in NR,
say 'hi' in Latin & hear the Aeneid in the original
bene vale in pace deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior, aedilis plebis
Producer, VOX ROMANA







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Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Senatus Populesque Novae Romae S.P.D.

The Comitia Populi Tributa is nearing the end of its current contio. To satisfy legal requirements I shall extend this contio out of reverence for the die nefasti status of April 25 2759 auc. Voting shall being April 26 2759 auc, 0001 hrs Roman time and shall terminate May 01, 0001hrs, 2759 auc Roman time.

The comitia is asked to render a vote on the following items:

******

Approval of Titus Marcius Felix, citizen 8193, Plebian, for Editor Commentarorum Aquilia 2759 auc


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Lex Minucia Moravia de Civitate Eiuranda

Citizenship in Nova Roma may be voluntarily relinquished or
involuntarily revoked as per the Constitution of Nova Roma,
paragraph II.A.4, or may be temporarily suspended under the Lex
Fabia de Censu, paragraph VI.
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2003-05-31-i.html Further
provision is made by this lex Minucia Moravia de Civitate Eiuranda
by which citizenship in Nova Roma may be involuntarily terminated at
the discretion of the Censors when a Citizen fails to register in
two consecutive censuses. Outlined in this lex are the procedures
by which a Citizen may voluntarily relinquish his or her citizenship
by a process of resignation from Nova Roma, guidelines for censorial
termination of citizenship for non-compliance with the Lex Fabia de
Censu, and procedures to be followed when a person returns into
citizenship following suspension of citizenship or relinquishment of
citizenship.

I. The leges Cornelia et Maria De Civitate Eiuranda and Equitia de
Civitate Eiuranda are hereby repealed.

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2001-05-20-iii.html
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2004-10-07-v.html

II Resignation of Citizenship

A: Citizenship from Nova Roma may be voluntarily relinquished by
notification of the Censors. Submission to the Censors of an
intention to resign citizenship should be made in writing with the
intention clearly stated, and may be transmitted in writing via any
available means.

B. In keeping with Constitutional clause II.A.5, a parent or
guardian may voluntarily rescind Nova Roma citizenship of Impuberes
(minors) as provided for above.

III. If citizenship is resigned, any and all public offices held by
the Citizen are immediately vacated at the time that the Censors
receive a resignation. No public offices, elected or appointed,
shall carry over into a new citizenship should a resigning citizen
later reestablish citizenship.

IV A Citizen whose citizenship is temporarily suspended under the
Lex Fabia de Censu or by process of law is known as a Socius. A
Citizen who voluntarily relinquishes citizenship by submitting a
resignation from Nova Roma may also be treated as a Socius for the
purposes of this lex. Under the lex Fabia de Censu, a Citizen
becomes a Socius after failing to register with one census. Any
Socius or former Citizen in a Socius status who fails to register
with a census or who fails to otherwise reestablish citizenship may,
at the discretion of the Censors, have his or her status terminated,
and thus be removed from the censorial Album Civium.

B. A Socius or a former Citizen in a Socius status may request that
he or she be removed from the Album Civium and thus all records of
the former Citizen's or Socius' former membership in Nova Roma are
to be deleted. The Censors must comply with such a request if no
exceptions are provided for under the law.

V: A former Citizen or Socius may reapply for citizenship to the
Censors under prevailing legal procedures.

VI.A: When a former Citizen applies for reinstatement of
citizenship, a waiting period of ninety (90) days precedes
reestablishment of citizenship. When citizenship is reestablished a
Socius, or a former Citizen who was in a Socius status, shall have
restored any titles, honors and/or effects of past public offices
(including century points) that he or she may have held at the time
that citizenship was either suspended or resigned. A former
Citizen whose Socius status was legally terminated, and whose
records were thus lawfully removed from the Album Civium, is not
entitled to a restoration of any titles, honors and/or effects of
past public offices (including century points).

B. Once citizenship is reestablished, a returning Citizen may apply
to the Collegium Pontificum for reappointment to any religious
offices that he or she may have previously held. Only the Collegium
Pontificum, or an otherwise designated religious body, is authorized
to reappoint a returning Citizen to a religious office.

C: Century points that are due to a returning Citizen for any and
all public and/or religious offices that he or she may have
previously held shall be restored at the time that citizenship is
reestablished, provided that citizenship was reestablished while the
former Citizen was in a Socius status, as per VI.A.

D. Senatorial status may be resumed by a returning Citizen at the
discretion of the Censors collegially.

VII. If a Citizen resigns his or her citizenship, is subsequently
reinstated, and resigns a second time, the Censors may bar this
former Citizen from reinstatement as a Citizen of Nova Roma. An
exception to IV.B is hereby made such that the Censors may retain
records in addition to the Album Civium on any person who has been
barred from citizenship in Nova Roma for any reason.

VIII.A: All rights and privileges of citizenship are restored in
full to a returning Citizen at the time his or her citizenship is
reestablished. This lex does not in itself restrict a returning
Citizen in any way from lawfully pursuing any entitlements or
official positions (via election or appointment) for which he or she
would again become eligible.

B. At the discretion of the Senate, the normal waiting period of
ninety (90) days may be waived.


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Lex Minucia Moravia Eiuratione Magistratum: Comitia Plebis Tributa et Comitia Populi Tributa


This lex clarifies the legal definition of magisterial resignation,
consequences of resignation, and those procedures legally necessary
to validate and remedy magisterial vacancy due to a resignation of
office, in accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma, Section
IV, on 'Magistrates', which states that an office becomes vacant
when a magistrate resigns or dies while in office. The language of
this lex is binding on resignation of magisterial offices elected in
the in the Comitia Populi Tributa and in the Comitia Plebis Tributa.

I.A: An elected magistrate resigns from office by tendering his or
her notification of a resignation to the presiding official (defined
below) of the comitia in which the resigning magistrate was elected.

B: The Tribunes of the Plebs are the presiding officials of the
Comitia Plebis Tributa. A resignation of an office that was elected
in the Comitia Plebis Tributa may be tendered in writing directly to
one or more Tribunes of the Plebs, or else is tendered to the
Tribunes of the Plebs by posting a notice of resignation via the official Comitia Plebis Tributa list, or a list that is supported by Nova Roma as a Public Forum.

C: The Consuls and Praetors are the presiding officials of the
Comitia Populi Tributa. A resignation of an office that was
elected in the Comitia Populi Tributa may be tendered in writing
directly to one or both Consuls or Praetors, or else is tendered
by posting a notice of resignation on a list that is supported by Nova Roma as
a public Forum.

II.A: A vacancy of office is legally established when an appropriate
presiding official acknowledges in writing the receipt of a tendered
resignation to the resigning magistrate. A vacancy may also be
legally established when the Censors inform the presiding
magistrates that a magistrate is unreachable after an absence of 45
or more days.


B: Within twenty-four (24) hours of receiving notification of a
resignation, the presiding official of the respective comitia – any
one of the Consuls or Praetors, or any one of the Tribunes of the
Plebs, as the case may be, shall acknowledge receipt in writing to the resigning
magistrate.

C. Consuls shall not accept a resignation from office of a
magistrate elected in the Comitia Plebis Tributa.

D. Tribunes of the Plebs may only accept the resignation from office
of a magistrate elected in the Comitia Populi Tributa as in II A and B when none of
the Consuls or Praetors is available to accept the resignation on
behalf of this comitia.

III: Elections shall be held within 45 days of the established
vacancy for a suffect magistrate in the legally appropriate comitia, according to prevailing legal procedures governing elections of that comitia.

IV: This lex does not in itself restrict a former magistrate from
standing for election in the Comitia Plebis Tributa or in the
Comitia Populi Tributa to fill the vacancy caused by his or her
resignation, and for which he or she is eligible to hold.

V: The presiding official of a comitia who lawfully acknowledges
receipt of a resignation from office of any magistrate who was
elected in either the Comitia Plebis Tributa or Comitia Populi
Tributa, as outlined in this lex, shall be responsible for
communicating this information to the Censors, the Magister
Aranearius and to the citizenry via public fora within the following
forty-eight (48) hours from the time that the resignation goes into
effect.

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The members of comitia are asked to consider officially repealing of the following prevailing leges:


Lex Arminia Equitia de Dignite Curule
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2004-06-30-ii.html


Lex Arminia Equitia de Sanctite


http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2004-08-13-ii.html

The last line of both these leges nullify their respective legal and binding forces. Further, there is no corresponding constitutional language that I can see to clarifiy their legal purpose. Although they are remarkable from an academic standpoint, the language of these legislations has caused issues of controversy which might (atleast theoretically) be avoided in future if we repeal them officially.

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Salve;
thank you so much!! we worked like demons but it is the most
fufilling project. Real life projects for Real Romans!!
Listen to it after, work, the library, before bed
& experience ROMANATAS
any ideas, just email wonderful Cordus!
& kudos to Scholastica, Avitus, & the great
Caius Curius Saturninus
whose idea & technical genius makes it possible!

> happy, happy Maior:)!!!

I just listened to the Vox Romana podcast and it was
FANTASTIC!!!!!!

> Congratulations to all involved in it's production. I'm putting

the

> link to the site on my two weblogs(Gens Servilia and a new one

for

> AMS Province I'm working on).
>
> Vale,
> Quintus Servilius Priscus
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Maior wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;
>
> it is with real joy that I announce the debut of
> VOX ROMANA our podcast devoted to all things Roman
> on this most auspicious day the Birthday of Rome
>
> here are our websites, ones is for RSS feed, if you don't know what
> this is, don't worry just go to our ordinary website, and select

the

> first podcast audiofile link from the list of podcasts:
>
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana
>
> We have an xml-site which allows you to subscribe to our podcast

via

> RSS syndication, and listen to our podcasts at itunes:
>
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/podcast.xml
>
> enjoy!! Learn about the Birthday of Rome, all the news in NR,
> say 'hi' in Latin & hear the Aeneid in the original
> bene vale in pace deorum
> Marca Hortensia Maior, aedilis plebis
> Producer, VOX ROMANA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Senatus Populesque Novae Romae S.P.D.

The Comitia Centuriata is nearing the end of its contio. I shall extend this contio to include April 25, 2759 auc, as no voting should occur on a die nefastus. Voting shall commence April 26 2759 auc 0001 hrs and shall terminate May 1, 2759 auc 0001 hrs.

***************

The Comitia Centuriata is asked to consider approval of the following proposed lex:

Lex Minucia Moravia Eiuratione Magistratus Comitium Centuriatum

This lex clarifies the legal definition of magisterial resignation,
consequences of resignation, and those procedures legally necessary
to validate and remedy magisterial vacancy due to a resignation of
office, in accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma, Section
IV, on 'Magistrates', which states that an office becomes vacant
when a magistrate resigns or dies while in office. The language of
this lex is binding on resignation of magisterial offices elected in
the Comitia Centuriata.

I.A: An elected magistrate resigns from office by tendering his or
her notification of a resignation to a presiding official (defined
below) of the comitia in which the resigning magistrate was elected.


B: The Consuls and Praetors are the presiding officials of the
Comitia Centuriata. A resignation of an office that was
elected in the Comitia Centuriata may be tendered in writing
directly to one or both Consuls or Praetors, or may be tendered to the Consuls and Praetors by posting a notice of resignation on a list that is supported by Nova Roma as a public Forum.

II.A: A vacancy of office is legally established when an appropriate
presiding official acknowledges in writing the receipt of a tendered
resignation to the resigning magistrate. A vacancy may also be
legally established when the Censors inform the presiding
magistrates that a magistrate is unreachable after an absence of 45
or more days.


B: Within twenty-four (24) hours of receiving notification of a
resignation of a magistrate elected by the Comitia Centuriata, one of the Consuls or Praetors shall acknowledge its receipt to the resigning magistrate.


C. Tribunes of the Plebs may only accept the resignation from office
of a magistrate elected in the Comitia Centuriata, as in II A and B, when none of
the Consuls or Praetors are available to accept the resignation.

III: Elections shall be held in the Comitia Centuriata within 45 days of the established
vacancy for a suffect magistrate.

IV: This lex does not in itself restrict a former magistrate from
standing for election in the Comitia Centuriata to fill the vacancy caused by his or her
resignation, and for which he or she is eligible to hold.

V: The official who lawfully acknowledges
receipt of a resignation of office from any magistrate who was
elected in the Comitia Centuriata, as outlined in this lex, shall be responsible for communicating this information to the Censors, the Magister
Aranearius and to the citizenry via public fora within the following
forty-eight (48) hours from the time that the resignation goes into
effect.

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Salvete Quirites,

Pompeia Minucia Strabo wrote:

> Those who do not have a voter code are asked to contact
> the Censors' office Censors@... to obtain one.
> This code is required to access the cista to cast your vote.

While this method will work, there's a quicker way to do it. Go to your
Album Civium Page, which you can get to by going to
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/cives

Names are in alphabetical order by nomen, with patricians first and
plebeians after them. Scroll down until you find your name and click on
it. This will take you to your personal album civium page. At the
bottom of the listed data there's a block that says "Get Voter Code".
Click on that and it will take you into an interface where you have to
provide some personal information. Once you do that it will send your
voter code to you in e-mail immediately. This is much faster than
waiting for me to check the censor's e-mail, which I do once each day.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Salvete omnes!

>VOX ROMANA our podcast devoted to all things Roma on this >most auspicious day the Birthday of Rome

My thanks to all who brought this project to fruition--the podcast is wonderful! What an excellent way to celebrate Rome's birthday!

Valete,
Artoria

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P. Memmius Albucius Maiori al. s.d.

S.V.G.E.R.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;
>
> it is with real joy that I announce the debut of
> VOX ROMANA our podcast


I just listened the podcast.

It is a great realisation for you, Nova Roma and latinity ! This is
the kind of clever contributions to the knowledge of ancient Roma
that we all must support.

True, this is not without emotion that we can hear the voices of the
cives that we happened to meet or we still wish meeting. I imagine
the feeling that you surely had when first listening it.

Listening to the dialog between Hon. Scholastica and Avitus made me
realize that we each bring our (national, etc.) way to hear and speak
latin and that we must keep on these actions and creations to improve
the field of latin, then to try to share the best latin as possible.

Naturally, like every vehicular international - and even national -
language, we will not succeed reaching *one* way of speaking latin.
This ideal way has never existed, for the latin spoken by Cicero,
was not the same that the one spoken by the poorest italian peasant,
the oriental slave or the spanish ou gaulish romanized citizen.

But it was latin, and a language that the whole western world could
roughly understand and speak, specially during the empire. It would
not be so bad for us to get again this basic use of latin, indeed !

Congratulations again to you Maior, and Saturninus and all of the
citizens who thought and made this podcast possible.

Vale ac valete,

P. Memmius Albucius
Leg. Lugd. Galliae

> A. Tullia Scholastica P. Memmio Albucio quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> omnibus bonae uoluntatis S.P.D.
>
> P. Memmius Albucius Maiori al. s.d.
>
> S.V.G.E.R.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;
>> >
>> > it is with real joy that I announce the debut of
>> > VOX ROMANA our podcast
>
>
> I just listened the podcast.
>
> It is a great realisation for you, Nova Roma and latinity ! This is
> the kind of clever contributions to the knowledge of ancient Roma
> that we all must support.
>
> True, this is not without emotion that we can hear the voices of the
> cives that we happened to meet or we still wish meeting. I imagine
> the feeling that you surely had when first listening it.
>
> Listening to the dialog between Hon. Scholastica and Avitus made me
> realize that we each bring our (national, etc.) way to hear and speak
> latin and that we must keep on these actions and creations to improve
> the field of latin, then to try to share the best latin as possible.
>
> ATS: Avitus and I were deliberately speaking rather slowly so that others
> could follow. My part was recorded on a CD and sent to M. Hortensia Maior,
> who transmitted the contents to Saturninus; Avitus¹ part was recorded in mp3
> on our website. These had to be mixed. Avitus added some sections after my
> part had been recorded and sent, so those had to be removed; we hope they will
> be added later. My original idea was to do the dialog, give the translation,
> then repeat the whole thing, so that people could follow; perhaps we can do
> that the next time as well.
>
> As we have been discussing on Latinitas, we do have our differences in
> pronunciation.
>
> Naturally, like every vehicular international - and even national -
> language, we will not succeed reaching *one* way of speaking latin.
> This ideal way has never existed, for the latin spoken by Cicero,
> was not the same that the one spoken by the poorest italian peasant,
> the oriental slave or the spanish ou gaulish romanized citizen.
>
> But it was latin, and a language that the whole western world could
> roughly understand and speak, specially during the empire. It would
> not be so bad for us to get again this basic use of latin, indeed !
>
> Congratulations again to you Maior, and Saturninus and all of the
> citizens who thought and made this podcast possible.
>
> Vale ac valete,
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> Leg. Lugd. Galliae
>
> Cura(te) ut ualea(ti)s optime,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tita Artoria Marcella"
<icehunter@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> >VOX ROMANA our podcast devoted to all things Roma on this >most

auspicious day the Birthday of Rome

>
> My thanks to all who brought this project to fruition--the podcast

is wonderful! What an excellent way to celebrate Rome's birthday!

>
> Valete,
> Artoria
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Indeed!

Well done! and thanks to all who did this. I'm listening as I write.
Wonderful.

M. Lucretius Agricola

C. Equitius Cato M. Hortensiae Maiori C. Curio Saturnino omnibusque in
"podcast" S.P.D.

Salvete omnes!

Congratulations to the podcast team! A tremendous and enjoyable event.
I'm looking forward to hearing more podcasts in the future.

Again, wonderful job!

Valete bene,

Cato

M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

I have just been informed that our new sestertii have been shipped
from the mint and are now in transit to the main distribution point.

Optime valete!

P. Memmius Albucius Agricolae omnibusque s.d.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola"
<wm_hogue@...> wrote:

>
> M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.
>
> I have just been informed that our new sestertii have been shipped
> from the mint and are now in transit to the main distribution point.
>
> Optime valete!
>

We have now to pray roman gods so that pirats do not attack the
ships. O spirit of famous pirats fighters, you Caesar, Lucullus and
Pompeius, please help us !

Vale(-te),


P. Memmius Albucius

OSD C. equitius Cato

salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem X Kalendas Maius; haec dies nefastus est.

"To Autonoe and Aristaios was born a son Aktaion, who was reared by
Kheiron and trained as a huntsman, but was later eaten up on Kithairon
by his own dogs [because] ... he saw Artemis bathing. They say that
the goddess changed him on the spot into a deer, and drove his fifty
hunting dogs into a frenzy so that they unintentionally ate him. When
he was no more, they looked for their master with great howls and
bays." - Apollodorus, The Library 3.30

"Across the Illisos [River] is a district called Agrai and a temple of
Artemis Agrotera (the Huntress). They say that Artemis first hunted
here when she came from Delos, and for this reason the statue carries
a bow." -Pausanias 1.19.6

"Near the statue of Olympiodoros stands a bronze image of Artemis
surnamed Leukophryne, dedicated by the sons of Themistocles; for the
Magnesians, whose city the King had given him to rule, hold Artemis
Leukophryne in honor." -Pausanias 1.26.4

"The whole country [of Elis] is full of temples of Artemis, Aphrodite,
and the Nymphai, being situated in sacred precincts that are generally
full of flowers because of the abundance of water." -Strabo 8.3.12

"All cities worship Artemis Ephesia (of Ephesus), and individuals hold
her in honor above all the gods. The reason, in my view, is the renown
of the Amazones, who traditionally dedicated the image, also the
extreme antiquity of this sanctuary. Three other points as well have
contributed to her renown, the size of the temple, surpassing all
buildings among men, the eminence of the city of the Ephesians and the
renown of the goddess who dwells there." -Pausanias 4.31.7

"Artemis, slayer of wild beasts, daughter of Zeus, for whom Agamemnon
set up a temple when he was preparing to sail on his swift ships to
Troy, give ear to my prayers and ward off the evil Keres (Death-
Spirits). For you, goddess, this is no small thing, but for me it is
critical." – Theognis 1.11

"About a stade distant from Kaphye is a place called Kondylea, where
there are a grove and a temple of Artemis called of old Kondyleatis.
They say that the name of the goddess was changed for the following
reason. Some children, the number of whom is not recorded, while
playing about the sanctuary found a rope, and tying it round the neck
of the image said that Artemis was being strangled. The Kaphyans,
detecting what the children had done, stoned them to death. When they
had done this, a malady befell their women, whose babies were
stillborn, until the Pythian priestess bade them bury the children,
and sacrifice to them every year as sacrifice is made to heroes,
because they had been wrongly put to death. The Kaphyans still obey
this oracle, and call the goddess at Kondyleai, as they say the oracle
also bade them, Apankhomene (the Strangled Lady) from that day to
this." -Pausanias 8.23.6


Today is the Ephabolia, a celebration held in honor of Artemis.
Artemis was the virgin goddess of the hunt, wild animals, wilderness,
and childbirth. She was worshipped as a fertility/childbirth goddess
in some places since, according to some myths, she assisted her mother
in the delivery of her twin. During the Classical period in Athens,
she was identified with Hecate. Artemis also assimilated Caryatis
(Carya) and Ilithyia. Artemis was worshipped almost everywhere in
Greece, but her most well known cults were in Brauron, Mounikhia
(located on a hill near the port Piraeus), and Sparta.

In Asia Minor, a goddess identified with Artemis was a principal
deity. The city of Ephesus is probably the best known of the Asian
centers of her worship, from the story in the Acts of the Apostles,
where the Ephesian metalsmiths who feel threatened by Paul's preaching
of the new faith, zealously riot in her defense, shouting "Great is
Artemis of the Ephesians!" (Acts 19:28 KJV)

Festivals in honor of Artemis include Elaphebolia, Mounikhia,
Kharisteria, Brauronia, and the festival of Artemis Orthia in Sparta.

Young Athenian girls between the ages of five and ten were sent to the
sanctuary of Artemis at Brauron to serve the Goddess for one year.
During this time the girls were known as arktoi, or little she-bears.
A myth explaining this servitude relates that a bear had gotten into
the habit of regularly visiting the town of Brauron, and the people
there fed it, so that over time the bear became tame. A young girl
teased the bear, and, in some versions of the myth it killed her,
while in other versions it clawed her eyes out. Either way, the girl's
brothers killed the bear, and Artemis was enraged. She demanded that
young girls "act the bear" at her sanctuary in atonement for the
bear's death.

In many parts of ancient Greece, just before marriage young women
would dedicate toys, dolls, and locks of their hair to Artemis.

Artemis has her direct counterpart in the Roman Diana. Diana was the
perpetually virginal huntress goddess, associated with wild animals
and woodlands. She also later became a moon goddess, supplanting Luna,
and was an emblem of chastity. Oak groves were especially sacred to
her. She was praised for her strength, athletic grace, beauty and
hunting skill. She made up a trinity with two other Roman deities:
Egeria the water nymph, her servant and assistant midwife; and
Virbius, the woodland god.

Diana was worshipped in a temple on the Aventine Hill and at the city
of Ephesus, where the Temple of Artemis stood. Being placed on the
Aventine, and thus outside the pomerium, meant that Diana's cult
essentially remained a "foreign" one, like that of Bacchus; she was
never officially "transferred" to Rome as Juno was after the sack of
Veii. It seems that her cult originated in Aricia, where her priest,
the Rex Nemorensis remained. Diana was regarded with great reverence
by lower-class citizens and slaves; slaves could receive asylum in her
temples. She was worshipped at a festival on August 13, when King
Servius Tullius, himself born a slave, dedicated her shrine on the
Aventine.

Diana is usually depicted with a deer. This is because Diana was the
patroness of hunting, and also because she is said to have transformed
a man she found spying on her while taking a bath into a deer when he
tried to flee her.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Apollodorus, Pausanius, Strabo, Wikipedia

Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Minor Senatus Populesque Novae Romae S.P.D.

Having received favourable auspices from Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Consul, Augur, Pontifex, Flamen, Propraetor, I give notice that the Comitia Centuriata shall remain assembled after this current session to approve the following candidate for Censor:

Marcus Octavius Germanicus Senator

Citizen #22
Citizen Since 1998/03/01
Current Assidus

For further candidate information:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=22

The contio shall begin April 26 2759 AUC, 0001 hrs Roman Time and shall contio until May 1 2759 AUC 0001 hrs Roman Time.Voting shall proceed immediately thereafter and terminate May 6 2759 AUC 0001 hrs Roman Time.

For those who do not have a voter code, please visit your citizen profile at the Album Gentium
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes Please follow the prompts and a code will be delivered to you. Alternately, please write the Censors' address: Censors@... if you require further assistance or additional information. You will not be allowed to log into the cista to cast your vote without a voter code.

Valete





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Salvete omnes,

I was delighted to see that Vox Romana was greeted with such positive
response from fellow citizens. However to keep the thing going on and
developing into first true Roman Internet radio station, the project
needs contribution of people who can write or read articles and
submit them. So, if you happen to have writing or voice talents, now
is your chance to shine :-) just contact Marca Hortensia Maior, and
she'll will find a way to keep yourself busy... just kidding, it's
actually fun and easy to record an audio bit and send it over for our
podcast, just confirm details from Marca Hortensia!

Valete,

Caius Curius Saturninus

Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751





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Where can we listen to the radio?

Titus Afr Sec Flamininus


--- wm_hogue@... wrote:

From: "M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: VOX ROMANA IS HERE:!!: Celebrate the Birthday of Rome!!!!
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:49:22 -0000

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tita Artoria Marcella"
<icehunter@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> >VOX ROMANA our podcast devoted to all things Roma on this >most

auspicious day the Birthday of Rome

>
> My thanks to all who brought this project to fruition--the podcast

is wonderful! What an excellent way to celebrate Rome's birthday!

>
> Valete,
> Artoria
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Indeed!

Well done! and thanks to all who did this. I'm listening as I write.
Wonderful.

M. Lucretius Agricola






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I've reposted the websites here: 1 regular the other 2 for RSS

> M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;
>
> it is with real joy that I announce the debut of
> VOX ROMANA our podcast devoted to all things Roman
> on this most auspicious day the Birthday of Rome
>
> here are our websites, ones is for RSS feed, if you don't know

what

> this is, don't worry just go to our ordinary website, and select

the

> first podcast audiofile link from the list of podcasts:
>
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana
>
> We have an xml-site which allows you to subscribe to our podcast

via

> RSS syndication, and listen to our podcasts at itunes:
>
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/podcast.xml
>
> enjoy!! Learn about the Birthday of Rome, all the news in NR,
> say 'hi' in Latin & hear the Aeneid in the original
> bene vale in pace deorum
> Marca Hortensia Maior, aedilis plebis
> Producer, VOX ROMANA
>

Salvete:
we don't want your sesterces; we want your creativity! As
Saturninus says, if you want to do an interview have a fabulous
idea, just post us or Cordus at the Vox Romana site.
A radio station by the cives for the cives!
Contribute to VOX ROMANA
valete
Marca Hortensia Maior
producer


-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Curius Saturninus
<c.curius@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I was delighted to see that Vox Romana was greeted with such

positive

> response from fellow citizens. However to keep the thing going on

and

> developing into first true Roman Internet radio station, the

project

> needs contribution of people who can write or read articles and
> submit them. So, if you happen to have writing or voice talents,

now

> is your chance to shine :-) just contact Marca Hortensia Maior,

and

> she'll will find a way to keep yourself busy... just kidding,

it's

> actually fun and easy to record an audio bit and send it over for

our

> podcast, just confirm details from Marca Hortensia!
>
> Valete,
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Pompeia Minucia Strabo Quiritibus S.P.D.

According to prevailing legislation governing election of 'magistrates' in the Comitia Centuriata, I need to allow a total voting time of 216 hours.(9 days) for the election for Censor Suffectus. If you look near the bottom of the lex you will see that I can't end the election any sooner than 216 hours.


http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2003-10-08-i.html

Consequently I have to adjust the voting schedule accordingly (all Roman times)

May 1 0001 hrs..voting begins
May 2 voting
May 3 voting
May 4 voting
May 5 voting
May 6 voting
May 7 voting
May 8 voting til 2400 hrs
May 9 ***voting suspended Die Nefastus***
May 10 voting resumes 0001 hours and continues until 2400 hrs
May 11 ***voting suspended Die Nefastus***
May 12 Voting resumes 0001 hours and continues until 2400 hours
May 13 ***Voting suspended Die Nefastus***
May 14 voting resumes 0001 hrs and polls will close at 0030 hrs (because I am shy of a few minutes to total the required number of 216 hours

**********It is in everyone's interest to elect a censor to assist the lone censor currently in office. I have done my best to check and recheck this but if anyone spots any errors please talk to me asap**********.

********With the greatest respect to all, and I am not meaning to be nasty or overly critical, but I am taking a look at some elements of the election obligations for this comitia and I would like to politely and in good faith offer the following:

One wonders if this lengthy voting period and the attendant formalities are necessary for a suffectus magistrate. This makes for an awful lot of time to elect a replacement official, and in the long run, it is counter productive to jeopardize the republic having a total complement of important magistrates, especially the Censors. You can imagine the extra work it is for the election officials also. For the election of one magistrate, I fear we are placating historical tradition at our own expense. I understand the religious obligations relative to the Pax Deorum. This is not an issue with me and happens with any election, but such would be less of a factor if the time frame of voting were shortened where possible and practical ie for a suffectus (replacement magistrate). I believe this lengthy voting period, and the attendent formalities of a Prime Century and First Class voting first, etc. is perhaps best served strictly in the general elections at the end of the
year, where alot of candidates must be considered. And we can feel good about being historical without shortchanging our needs. How about just the five days for a suffectus magistrate...the same time required to vote on a proposed lex in this comitia. For future, lets put some serious thought into this element of the Comitia Centuriata procedures, with respect.

Valete






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> A. Tullia Scholastica P. Memmio Albucio Agricolae quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque omnibus bonae uoluntatis S.P.D.
>
> P. Memmius Albucius Agricolae omnibusque s.d.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola"
> <wm_hogue@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.
>> >
>> > I have just been informed that our new sestertii have been shipped
>> > from the mint and are now in transit to the main distribution point.
>
> ATS: The message above seems to have eluded my mailbox. This is some
> more good news; another Nova Roman project which DID get done, just as the
> podcast did get done. Some of us don¹t deal with vaporware, smoke, and
> mirrors; we actually DO things. Congratulations to the numismatics team!
>
>> >
>> > Optime valete!
>> >
>
> We have now to pray roman gods so that pirats do not attack the
> ships. O spirit of famous pirats fighters, you Caesar, Lucullus and
> Pompeius, please help us !
>
> ATS: O Caesar, crucify any who would intercept our sesterces...
>
> Vale(-te),
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
>
> Vale, et ualete quam optime,
>
> Scholastica
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

If you ever need the podcast address in a pinch, you can go to the
wiki ( http://www.novaroma.org/wiki/ ) and enter "podcast" as your
search term.

Optime valete

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sylvain Rey" <franceuropa@...> wrote:
>
>
> Where can we listen to the radio?
>
> Titus Afr Sec Flamininus
>
>
> --- wm_hogue@... wrote:
>
> From: "M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: VOX ROMANA IS HERE:!!: Celebrate the
Birthday of Rome!!!!
> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:49:22 -0000
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tita Artoria Marcella"
> <icehunter@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes!
> >
> > >VOX ROMANA our podcast devoted to all things Roma on this >most
> auspicious day the Birthday of Rome
> >
> > My thanks to all who brought this project to fruition--the podcast
> is wonderful! What an excellent way to celebrate Rome's birthday!
> >
> > Valete,
> > Artoria
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> Indeed!
>
> Well done! and thanks to all who did this. I'm listening as I write.
> Wonderful.
>
> M. Lucretius Agricola
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________
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> A. Tullia Scholastica T. Afr. Secundo Flaminino quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque bonae uoluntatis s.p.d.
>
> Where can we listen to the radio?
>
> ATS: Strictly speaking, this isn¹t a radio broadcast; it¹s a sound file
> you can access online at <http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana> You must then
> click on the relevant link (on the left hand side) to access the podcast file.
> There are two versions, RSS and mp3; if your system will support the former,
> it is apparently better (but I¹m not the techie, so don¹t ask too much).
>
> Titus Afr Sec Flamininus
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> ATS
>
> --- wm_hogue@... wrote:
>
> From: "M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: VOX ROMANA IS HERE:!!: Celebrate the Birthday of
> Rome!!!!
> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:49:22 -0000
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tita Artoria Marcella"
> <icehunter@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Salvete omnes!
>> >
>>> > >VOX ROMANA our podcast devoted to all things Roma on this >most
> auspicious day the Birthday of Rome
>> >
>> > My thanks to all who brought this project to fruition--the podcast
> is wonderful! What an excellent way to celebrate Rome's birthday!
>> >
>> > Valete,
>> > Artoria
>> >
>
>> >
>
> Indeed!
>
> Well done! and thanks to all who did this. I'm listening as I write.
> Wonderful.
>
> M. Lucretius Agricola
>
>
>
>
>
>

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A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

For the benefit of those interested in Roman archaeology, I am
forwarding the message below from the Grex Latine Loquentium, an all-Latin
mailing list.

For those who don't read Latin, it deals with the discovery at York,
England, of the grave(s) of several soldiers from the time of Septimius
Severus, who were decapitated and their heads placed between their legs for
reasons unknown.

Valete,

Scholastica


------ Forwarded Message
From: Victorius Ciarrocchi
Reply-To: Grex Latine loquentium
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:55:39 +0200
To: <GREX@...>
Subject: [GREX] De archaeologico mysterio Eboracensi.

Victorius omnibus contubernalibus s.p.d.

Semper aliquid novi ex archaeologicis effossionibus eruitur. Nam Eboraci,
antiqua in urbe Britannica et quondam praesidio legionum Romanarum, nuper
ossa quaedam reperta sunt, quae aliquibus militibus aetate Septimii Severi
viventibus tribuenda esse periti dixerunt. Hi tamen nondum explanare
valuerunt cur triginta capita fuerint obtruncata et inter militum crura
collocata. Qua de re variae coniecturae factae sunt, quarum tamen nulla
adhuc pro vera certaque haberi potest. Cur igitur illi 56 milites necati
sint quidam viri docti investigare atque intellegere pergunt, sicut fusius
explicatur in pagina interretiali hac:

<http://tinyurl.com/muprq>

Valete.

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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem IX Kalendas Maius; haec dies nefastus publicus
est.

"Vinalia priora, quae ante hos dies sunt VIIII kal. Mai. degustandis
vinis instituta, nihil ad fructus attinent, nec quae adhuc diximus ad
vites oleasque, quoniam earum conceptus exortu vergiliarum incipit a.
d. VI id. Mai., ut docuimus. aliud hoc quadriduum est, quo neque rore
sordidas velim — exurit enim frigidum sidus arcturi postridie occidens
— et multo minus plenilunium incidere." -Pliny, "Natural History",
viii.69

"I've spoken of Pales' festival, I'll speak of the Vinalia:
There's only a single day between the two.
You prostitutes, celebrate the divine power of Venus:
Venus suits those who earn by your profession.
Offer incense and pray for beauty and men's favour,
Pray to be charming, and blessed with witty words,
Give the Mistress myrtle, and the mint she loves,
And sheaves of rushes, wound in clustered roses.
Now's the time to crowd her temple near the Colline Gate,
One that takes its name from a Sicilian hill:
When Claudius took Arethusian Syracuse by force,
And captured that hill of Eryx, too, in the war,
Venus moved to Rome, according to the long-lived Sibyl's
Prophecy, preferring to be worshipped in her children's City.
Why then, you ask, is the Vinalia Venus' festival?
And why does this day belong to Jupiter?
There was a war to decide whether Turnus or Aeneas
Should be Latin Amata's son-in-law: Turnus begged help
From Etruscan Mezentius, a famous and proud fighter,
Mighty on horseback and mightier still on foot:
Turnus and the Rutuli tried to win him to their side.
The Tuscan leader replied to their suit:
`My courage costs me not a little: witness my wounds,
And my weapons that have often been dyed with blood.
If you seek my help you must divide with me
The next wine from your vats, no great prize.
No delay is needed: yours is to give, mine to conquer.
How Aeneas will wish you'd refused me!'
The Rutulians agreed. Mezentius donned his armour,
And so did Aeneas, and addressed Jove:
`The enemy's pledged his vine-crop to the Tyrrhenian king:
Jupiter, you shall have the wine from the Latin vines!'
The nobler prayer succeeded: huge Mezentius died,
And struck the ground, heart filled with indignation.
Autumn came, dyed with the trodden grapes:
The wine, justly owed to Jupiter, was paid.
So the day is called the Vinalia: Jupiter claims it,
And loves to be present at his feast." - Ovid, Fasti IV

There are two Vinaliae, the vinalia rustica and the vinalia urbana;
the vinalia urbana were celebrated on the 23rd of April. On this
occasion the wine casks which had been filled the preceding autumn
were opened for the first time, and the wine tasted. But before men
actually tasted the new wine, a libation was offered to Iuppiter,
which was called calpar.

Also on this day we honor Venus Erycina ("Venus from Eryx"), also
called Venus Erucina, whose worship originated on Mount Eryx in
western Sicily. Temples were erected to her on the Capitoline Hill and
outside the Porta Collina on this day in 215 BC, after the Roman
defeat at the Battle of Lake Trasimene.

The vinalia urbana was the Roman answer to a Greek festival called the
"Pithoigia", the "Opening of the Jars"; oigia means opening and pithos
is a very large ceramic-jars that was used for the storage of corn and
wine. They were filled with the juice of the grapes in the beginning
of October, then fermented heavily, then slowly and then in the end of
February it became wine, unfermented and ready to drink.

All the day of the Pithoigia wine had been transported from all of
Attica to the sanctuaries in the swamps. As the sun began to set, huge
crowds gathered in front of the temple which was opened when the sun
set and twelfth day of Anthesterion began. At the same time the
barrels where the wines were stored were opened and the wine was mixed
with water. The god was greeted by spilling a bit of ones wine at the
ground and then by drinking the rest.

At Pithoigia, there was light drinking. It was only the beginning of
the feast. The Dionysus-priestess, who had opened the temple, prayed
that the wine would bring happiness and health for everyone and that
the god would prevent its damaging causes. The rest of the evening
there was song and dance in the honor of the god.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Pliny, Ovid, Smith's Dictionary (http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/
E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Vinalia.html), Wikipedia

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

To those of our citizens in the Eastern Orthodox Churches who
celebrate the Resurrection of the Christ today, my warmest wishes for
a Happy Easter! Christos anesti!

Valete bene,

Cato

Salvete!

May I, as a western Catholic Christian, also wish our Orthodox brethren,
especially Cato, a very happy Easter!

Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus



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Of gaiusequitiuscato
Sent: 23 April 2006 12:37
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] CHRISTOS ANESTI !



OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

To those of our citizens in the Eastern Orthodox Churches who
celebrate the Resurrection of the Christ today, my warmest wishes for
a Happy Easter! Christos anesti!

Valete bene,

Cato






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On 23 Apr 2006, at 0737, gaiusequitiuscato wrote:

> OSD C. Equitius Cato
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> To those of our citizens in the Eastern Orthodox Churches who
> celebrate the Resurrection of the Christ today, my warmest wishes for
> a Happy Easter! Christos anesti!
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato
>
>


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A. Apollónius omnibus sal.

With all these coins and podcasts going on, it seems a bit gloomy to talk about politics, but let me just very briefly and for the last time give you my thoughts on these up-coming votes.


Election for cénsor:

M. Octávius is a citizen of high repute and long standing, with a record of service to the rés pública in many different fields, and we should have no hesitation in voting to making him cénsor.


Léx Minucia Morávia dé éjúratióne magistrátús comitiórum centúriátórum:

The proposers of this léx have been totally unable to point to any problem which needs to be solved with this proposal. It will introduce extra, unnecessary, unhistorical complexity into our law without any justification whatsoever. I encourage you to vote NO.


Léx Minucia Morávia dé éjúratióne magistrátús comitiórum tribútórum:

This is the same as the above, just in a different assembly; I encourage you to vote NO.


Léx Minucia Morávia dé éjúratióne magistrátús comitiórum plébis:

This is the same as the above, just in a different assembly; I encourage you to vote NO.


Léx Minucia Morávia dé civitáte éjúrandá:

This proposal is not perfect, but it represents a very considerable improvement on the current law, and I encourage you to vote YES.


Untitled léx to repeal the légés Arminiae Equitiae dé dígnitáte curúle et dé sanctitáte:

I see no particular reason to repeal these légés. They are doing no one any harm. I encourage you to vote NO.


And that, I hope, is the last you’ll be hearing from me on these subjects.

It's Sunday;so if you haven't caught it watch Vox Romana- all the
News of Rome!

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> > M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;
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> > it is with real joy that I announce the debut of
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M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
is it just me or does this section of Cordus' post look like a mess
with strange letters? I cannot even read it!

vale, M. Hortensia

> Léx Minucia Morávia dé éjúratióne magistrátús comitiórum

centúriátórum:

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Salve Marca Hortensia,

When I read the original I saw the accent marks that Cordus had
intended. My guess is that your computer can't render whatever the
extended font is that Cordus uses. Another reason for people to use
standard ASCII encoding and to remember that the people reading this
mailing list use a wide variety of machines with a great range of
capabilities.

Vale,

-- Marinus

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F. Galerius Aurelianus flamen Cerialis S.P.D.

I would like to remind the citizens of Nova Roma that NONE of the current
leges being proposed address any matter than is essential to the improvement of
Nova Roma or the ecouragement of our citizens to stay active. The proposed
leges do not make any significant improvement, in my opinion, to our
organization or administration and I encourage each and every citizen to demand
better administration and representation by voting NO to all the proposed leges as
a state to the Consuls that we want better from them.

Vote NO to all the proposed leges.

Vadite in pace Cereris.


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Cordus has written his message in "UTF-8" character encoding. Adjust
your browser to this setting and you will achieve satisfaction of a
certain sort.

Agricola

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> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Maiori quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
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> and is likely using unicode, UTF-8. I have set my machine for unicode, and
> had no trouble reading the original, but your rendition is indeed a mass of
> gibberish including the upside-down Spanish exclamation point, the degree
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M. Hortensia Agricolae Scholasticaeque sal;
Agricola, Scholastica - should I go about changing my
browser, simple Windows ? I'm worried that changing will affect
that I have enabled windows to read other European languages.
valete
Marca Hortensia Maior

> > ATS: He has used Avitus¹ beloved apices to mark the long

Latin vowels,

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unicode, and

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indeed a mass of

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the degree

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Praetorian Edict VII

Ex Officio Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus has asked and has received an offer by
Gaius Equitius Cato to serve as his advocate. As Gaius Equitius
Cato is a member of my Praetorian staff and because of the conflict
of interest that would occur serving as both a member of my staff
and as advocate for Domitius Constantinus Fuscus I am reluctantly
releasing Gaius Equitius Cato as a member of my Praetorian staff so
he can go forward with the presentation of Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
case as his advocate.

I thank him for his service.

This edict is effective immediately.

Given this the 24rd day of April 2759 a.u.c (2006 C.E.) at 4:50 AM Roman time

In the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia Tiberia



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> Agricola, Scholastica - should I go about changing my
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> will be displayed correctly. I believe that it is your e-mail program, not
> your browser, which has to be reset. Mine has a section called format, under
> which resides character set. If you have something similar, click on that,
> and change Western European ISO or whatever to Unicode/UTF-8 (NOT Unicode
> UTF-7). Not all systems can display this; the Grex Latine server is old, and
> can¹t display it, so if I post there, I may have to change back pro tempore.
> You may have to switch as well. Agricola or Octavius would be better at
> explaining this or telling you what to do, but try this and see if it works.
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> valete
> Marca Hortensia Maior
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> Vale, et ualete,
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> Scholastica
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> unicode, and
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> indeed a mass of
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> the degree
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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VIII Kalendas Maius; haec dies comitialis est.

"Ad voluptatem oratoriae eloquentiae transeo, cuius iucunditas non uno
aliquo momento, sed omnibus prope diebus ac prope omnibus horis
contingit. Quid enim dulcius libero et ingenuo animo et ad voluptates
honestas nato quam videre plenam semper et frequentem domum suam
concursu splendidissimorum hominum? idque scire non pecuniae, non
orbitati, non officii alicuius administrationi, sed sibi ipsi dari?
ipsos quin immo orbos et locupletes et potentis venire plerumque ad
iuvenem et pauperem, ut aut sua aut amicorum discrimina commendent.
ullane tanta ingentium opum ac magnae potentiae voluptas quam spectare
homines veteres et senes et totius orbis gratia subnixos in summa
rerum omnium abundantia confitentis, id quod optimum sit se non
habere? iam vero qui togatorum comitatus et egressus! Quae in publico
species! Quae in iudiciis veneratio! Quod illud gaudium consurgendi
adsistendique inter tacentis et in unum conversos! coire populum et
circumfundi coram et accipere adfectum, quemcumque orator induerit!
vulgata dicentium gaudia et imperitorum quoque oculis exposita
percenseo: illa secretiora et tantum ipsis orantibus nota maiora sunt.
Sive accuratam meditatamque profert orationem, est quoddam sicut
ipsius dictionis, ita gaudii pondus et constantia; sive novam et
recentem curam non sine aliqua trepidatione animi attulerit, ipsa
sollicitudo commendat eventum et lenocinatur voluptati. Sed
extemporalis audaciae atque ipsius temeritatis vel praecipua
iucunditas est; nam ingenio quoque, sicut in agro, quamquam diu
serantur atque elaborentur, gratiora tamen quae sua sponte nascuntur."

"I pass now to the pleasure derived from the orator's eloquence. Its
delights are enjoyed not for a single moment, but almost on every day
and at every hour. To the mind of an educated gentleman, naturally
fitted for worthy enjoyments, what can be more delightful than to see
his house always thronged and crowded by gatherings of the most
eminent men, and to know that the honour is paid not to his wealth,
his childlessness, or his possession of some office, but to himself?
Nay, more; the childless, the rich, and the powerful often go to one
who is both young and poor, in order to intrust him with difficulties
affecting themselves or their friends. Can there be any pleasure from
boundless wealth and vast power equal to that of seeing men in years,
and even in old age, men backed by the influence of the whole world,
readily confessing, amid the utmost affluence of every kind, that they
do not possess that which is the best of all? Again, look at the
respectable citizens who escort the pleader to and from the court.
Look at his appearance in public, and the respect shown him before the
judges. What a delight it must be to rise and stand amid the hushed
crowd, with every eye on him alone, the people assembling and
gathering round him in a circle, and taking from the orator any
emotion he has himself assumed. I am now reckoning the notorious joys
of an orator, those which are open to the sight even of the
uneducated; the more secret, known only to the advocate himself, are
yet greater. If he produces a careful and well-prepared speech, there
is a solidity and stedfastness in his satisfaction, just as there is
in his style; if, again, he offers his audience, not without some
tremblings at heart, the result of a fresh and sudden effort, his very
anxiety enhances the joy of success, and ministers to his pleasure. In
fact, audacity at the moment, and rashness itself, have quite a
peculiar sweetness. As with the earth, so with genius. Though time
must be bestowed on the sowing and cultivation of some plants, yet
those which grow spontaneously are the more pleasing.


To speak my own mind, I did not experience more job on the day on
which I was presented with the robe of a senator, or when, as a new
man, born in a far from influential state, I was elected quæstor, or
tribune, or prætor, than on those on which it was my privilege,
considering the insignificance of my ability as a speaker, to defend a
prisoner with success, to win a verdict in a cause before the Court of
the Hundred, or to give the support of my advocacy in the emperor's
presence to the great freedmen themselves, or to ministers of the
crown. On such occasions I seem to rise above tribunates, prætorships,
and consulships, and to possess that which, if it be not of natural
growth, is not bestowed by mandate, nor comes through interest. Again,
is there an accomplishment, the fame and glory of which are to be
compared with the distinction of the orator, who is an illustrious man
at Rome, not only with the busy class, intent on public affairs, but
even with people of leisure, and with the young, those at least who
have a right disposition and a worthy confidence in themselves? Whose
name does the father din into his children's ears before that of the
orator? Whom, as he passes by, do the ignorant mob and the men with
the tunic oftener speak of by name and point out with the finger?
Strangers too and foreigners, having heard of him in their towns and
colonies, as soon as they have arrived at Rome, ask for him and are
eager, as it were, to recognise him." - Tacitus, On Oratory 6-7

"Arms, and the man I sing, who, forc'd by fate,
And haughty Juno's unrelenting hate,
Expell'd and exil'd, left the Trojan shore.
Long labors, both by sea and land, he bore,
And in the doubtful war, before he won
The Latian realm, and built the destin'd town;
His banish'd gods restor'd to rites divine,
And settled sure succession in his line,
From whence the race of Alban fathers come,
And the long glories of majestic Rome.

O Muse! the causes and the crimes relate;
What goddess was provok'd, and whence her hate;
For what offense the Queen of Heav'n began
To persecute so brave, so just a man;
Involv'd his anxious life in endless cares,
Expos'd to wants, and hurried into wars!
Can heav'nly minds such high resentment show,
Or exercise their spite in human woe?

Against the Tiber's mouth, but far away,
An ancient town was seated on the sea;
A Tyrian colony; the people made
Stout for the war, and studious of their trade:
Carthage the name; belov'd by Juno more
Than her own Argos, or the Samian shore.
Here stood her chariot; here, if Heav'n were kind,
The seat of awful empire she design'd.
Yet she had heard an ancient rumor fly,
(Long cited by the people of the sky,)
That times to come should see the Trojan race
Her Carthage ruin, and her tow'rs deface;
Nor thus confin'd, the yoke of sov'reign sway
Should on the necks of all the nations lay.
She ponder'd this, and fear'd it was in fate;
Nor could forget the war she wag'd of late
For conqu'ring Greece against the Trojan state.
Besides, long causes working in her mind,
And secret seeds of envy, lay behind;
Deep graven in her heart the doom remain'd
Of partial Paris, and her form disdain'd;
The grace bestow'd on ravish'd Ganymed,
Electra's glories, and her injur'd bed.
Each was a cause alone; and all combin'd
To kindle vengeance in her haughty mind.
For this, far distant from the Latian coast
She drove the remnants of the Trojan host;
And sev'n long years th' unhappy wand'ring train
Were toss'd by storms, and scatter'd thro' the main.
Such time, such toil, requir'd the Roman name,
Such length of labor for so vast a frame." - Vergil, Aenead I

Today is the second day of the Vinalia Urbana.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Tacitus, Vergil

Ex officium Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Minor Senatus Populesque S.P.D.

I hereby withdraw the above Comitia Call. There is prevailing issue with the voting schedule relative to the religious calendar. There is and has been in the past, some varying discussion regarding the use of dies Faustus and their role in the elections. I have seen religious days used in various capacities over the years in NR. And I've read on antiquated practises accordingly, although I dare say I don't have all the sources or answers. I don't wish to say that we do not want to strive for historical and religious accuracy, but there has been certainly some inconsistency in NR. And questions in this light have materialized with this particular comitia call.

The Collegium Pontificium, unless there is something I don't know about, does not have a firm policy with regard to the Die Fasti, Nefastus Publicus and whether or not we can vote on them. I've seen both used for voting in NR... and I've heard variances of opinion from lay practitioners and religious officials. It has been asserted that the current voting schedule is from an historical and religious perspective, nefas.

May we overrule the silence of the CP with historical precedent, given the constitutional language regarding their authority? That's an interesting question. Personally I think its the CP's choice to adopt the historical conventions they feel are appropriate for NR .But the election for Censor is not the time to decide that. I would do a tremendous disservice to Marcus Octavius candidate for Censor to continue herein. I want to see him elected without question, and I don't want to see him the focal point of bickering which really has nothing to do with his qualifications for Censor.

So I defer this comitia call, as per original plan, back to my colleague G. Fabius Buteo Modianus, who is a Pontifex, and he can draft a schedule using the dates he feels are religiously prudent, reconciling them with the 216 hours of voting required, in collaboration perhaps with the CP, and perhaps he can encourage a concensus in the CP regarding a policy universal to 'all' elections, from one year to the next.( And a shorter voting schedule for suffectus magistrates would help)

I had indicated when I ran for office that there would be times when I would have to defer to the religious expertise of my colleague, not having membership in the CP or priestly authority within myself. So, this is one of these occasions where these actions are necessary.

Valete




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C. Equitius Cato P. Minuciae Straboni quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

Although it does delay the legislative process, I think this is the
prudent course to take, consul.

This does give the College of Pontiffs a clear shot at making a
definitive pronouncement; whether the officials of the Republic have
obeyed the ancient practices or not, we are now presented with the
equivalent of a clean slate.

I urge, in the strongest possible words, the College of Pontiffs to
make a formal announcement that will serve as the guidelines for this
and all future legislative processes with regards to observances of
dies fasti, nefasti, nefasti publici, and endotercisii --- and that
they do so with the greatest speed possible.

Vale et valete,

Cato

Salve Cai Equiti,

> I urge, in the strongest possible words, the College of Pontiffs to
> make a formal announcement ... and that
> they do so with the greatest speed possible.

Before that happens, let us ensure that we are not painting ourselves
into a corner.

The long voting times mandated by current law, and the difficulty of
scheduling such periods in our complex calendar, might make elections
impossible if the observances are strictly enforced.

Instead, the first step should be to place before the Comitia a
proposal to allow voting periods that can be reasonably accomodated.

I believe the current requirement is for a period that is far too
long. I have worked with the Rogatores or Diribitores for every
election of the past six years, and we have seen that most of the
votes arrive at the beginning, with only a few trickling in in the
days at the end of the election; often an entire day goes by without
a single valid vote.

Let us reduce the election duration to three days. For the general
election for the next year's magistrates, let it be five days instead.
Furthermore, let us require that those three (or five) days be
consective dies comitales. There are many, many groups of three
successive dies comitales throughout the year, and in late November
there is a span of more than five, allowing for the main election to
take place then.

As you know, I am candidate for Censor Suffectus, so I do have a
personal interest in seeing a smooth election. We've been without
a complete set of Censores for nearly two months now, due to the
difficulty of our current election procedures.

This wouldn't have happened in Roma Antiqua; they held elections in a
single day - and that was a process that involved people actually
getting off their couches and going to a meeting. We vote
electronically, from all over the world, a process that takes minutes,
but even with this great advantage we have a system that is less
efficient by an order of magnitude.

Let us streamline the procedure, and allow for elections to take place
entirely within a short span of dies comitales. Let us vote, as soon
as possible, to shorten the election period to three days.

Valete, Octavius.

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"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

Salvete omnes!

I'm not sure what the etiquette is for non-holders of priestly
offices to post details of rituals performed so I hope that I am not
treading on anyone's toes here. If I am...sorry!

Yesterday on April 23 I celebrated the Vinalia Prioria. I maintain a
modest shrine to the Goddess Venus in my garden and I gave this a
thorough cleaning and then decorated it with fresh flowers and sprigs
of myrtle. I then worked through the following ritual, including
prayers for the Senate and People, which I had found in a previous
years record for this festival.

VINALIA PRIORIA

Praefatio

"Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
[Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers,
so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and
People of the Novaromans, the Quirites]." I placed incense in the
focus of the altar.

"Iuno Regina, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
[Queen Iuno, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People
of the Novaromans, the Quirites]." I placed incense in the focus of
the altar.

"Minerva Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
[Goddess Minerva, by offering this incense to you I pray good
prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate
and People of the Novaromans, the Quirites]." I placed incense in the
focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
[Father Mars, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People
of the Novaromans, the Quirites]." I placed incense in the focus of
the altar.

"Quirine pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
[Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good
prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate
and People of the Novaromans, the Quirites]." I placed incense in the
focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Regina, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Queen Iuno, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar. "

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Minerva, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar. I washed my hands in preparation
for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Iuppiter Dapalis, Rex Deorum hominumque, quod tibi fieri oportet in
die Vinaliae culullum vini, ergo macte hac pollucenda esto."
["Iuppiter of the Sacrifices, King of Gods and men, because it is
proper of Vinalia's day to offer you a cup of wine, therefore be
honoured by this feast offering.]" I poured a libation on the focus
of the altar.

"Venus Erycina, quod tibi fieri oportet in die Vinaliae culullum
vini, ergo macte hac pollucenda esto. [Venus of Eryx, because it is
proper of Vinalia's day to offer you a cup of wine, therefore be
honoured by this feast offering.]" I poured a libation on the focus
of the altar.

"Venus Erycina, quod tibi fieri oportet in die Vinaliae incensum,
ergo macte hac pollucenda esto." ["Venus of Eryx, because it is
proper of Vinalia's day to offer incense to you, therefore be
honoured by this feast offering.]" I placed incense of frankincense
and mint on the focus of the altar. I washed my hand in preparation
for the redditio.

Redditio

"Iuppiter Dapalis, Rex Deorum hominumque, macte istace dape
pollucenda esto, macte vino interio esto." [Iuppiter of the
Sacrifices, King of Gods and men, may you be honoured by this feast
offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I placed cakes
and wine on the focus of the altar.

"Venus Erycina, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio
esto." [Venus of Eryx, may you be honoured by this feast offering,
may you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I placed cakes and wine on
the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Minerva, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Regina, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Queen Iuno, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Goddess
Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble
wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Ita vultis, ita est!" ["As You will, so it is!"]

"Illicet [It is permitted to go.]"

I profaned wine and cakes, and I partook of the epulum with Iuppiter
Dapalis and Venus Erycina, praying as I ate. I also made a further
personal offering to my own Lares.

PIACULUM
"Iuppiter Dapalis, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc
vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio." [Iuppiter of the
Sacrifices, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with
this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.] I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Vebus Erycina,si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino
inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio." [Venus of Eryx, if
anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this humble
wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.] I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

Valete!

Caius Moravius Brutus

Salve Romans


"Let us reduce the election duration to three days. For the general
election for the next year's magistrates, let it be five days
instead."...


"...We've been without a complete set of Censores for nearly two
months now, due to the difficulty of our current election
procedures."

I completely agree with Marcus Octavius Germanicus we need to fix
this problem now. The call for the election of a new Editor
Commentarorum was made in February and it is almost May.
Because of the calendar no one has been elected yet .

We can and should do better.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Salve,

Thank you for the ritual.
I find it very helpful to see what others
are doing in the Religio Romana.

Peace

Cornutus




-----Original Message-----

>From: caiusmoraviusbrutus <crwbanmor@...>
>Sent: Apr 24, 2006 9:31 AM
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Vinalia Prioria
>
>Salvete omnes!
>
>I'm not sure what the etiquette is for non-holders of priestly
>offices to post details of rituals performed so I hope that I am not
>treading on anyone's toes here. If I am...sorry!
>
>Yesterday on April 23 I celebrated the Vinalia Prioria. I maintain a
>modest shrine to the Goddess Venus in my garden and I gave this a
>thorough cleaning and then decorated it with fresh flowers and sprigs
>of myrtle. I then worked through the following ritual, including
>prayers for the Senate and People, which I had found in a previous
>years record for this festival.
>
>VINALIA PRIORIA
>
>Praefatio
>
>"Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
>volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
>[Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers,
>so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and
>People of the Novaromans, the Quirites]." I placed incense in the
>focus of the altar.
>
>"Iuno Regina, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
>volens propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
>[Queen Iuno, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
>that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People
>of the Novaromans, the Quirites]." I placed incense in the focus of
>the altar.
>
>"Minerva Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
>volens propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
>[Goddess Minerva, by offering this incense to you I pray good
>prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate
>and People of the Novaromans, the Quirites]." I placed incense in the
>focus of the altar.
>
>"Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
>volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
>[Father Mars, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
>that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People
>of the Novaromans, the Quirites]." I placed incense in the focus of
>the altar.
>
>"Quirine pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
>volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
>[Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good
>prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate
>and People of the Novaromans, the Quirites]." I placed incense in the
>focus of the altar.
>
>"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
>eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by
>offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
>the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
>libation on the focus of the altar.
>
>"Iuno Regina, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
>eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Queen Iuno, as by offering
>to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
>this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
>focus of the altar. "
>
>"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
>eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Minerva, as by
>offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
>the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
>libation on the focus of the altar.
>
>"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
>eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
>to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
>this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
>focus of the altar.
>
>"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
>eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
>offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
>the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
>libation on the focus of the altar. I washed my hands in preparation
>for the praecatio.
>
>Precatio
>
>"Iuppiter Dapalis, Rex Deorum hominumque, quod tibi fieri oportet in
>die Vinaliae culullum vini, ergo macte hac pollucenda esto."
>["Iuppiter of the Sacrifices, King of Gods and men, because it is
>proper of Vinalia's day to offer you a cup of wine, therefore be
>honoured by this feast offering.]" I poured a libation on the focus
>of the altar.
>
>"Venus Erycina, quod tibi fieri oportet in die Vinaliae culullum
>vini, ergo macte hac pollucenda esto. [Venus of Eryx, because it is
>proper of Vinalia's day to offer you a cup of wine, therefore be
>honoured by this feast offering.]" I poured a libation on the focus
>of the altar.
>
>"Venus Erycina, quod tibi fieri oportet in die Vinaliae incensum,
>ergo macte hac pollucenda esto." ["Venus of Eryx, because it is
>proper of Vinalia's day to offer incense to you, therefore be
>honoured by this feast offering.]" I placed incense of frankincense
>and mint on the focus of the altar. I washed my hand in preparation
>for the redditio.
>
>Redditio
>
>"Iuppiter Dapalis, Rex Deorum hominumque, macte istace dape
>pollucenda esto, macte vino interio esto." [Iuppiter of the
>Sacrifices, King of Gods and men, may you be honoured by this feast
>offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I placed cakes
>and wine on the focus of the altar.
>
>"Venus Erycina, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio
>esto." [Venus of Eryx, may you be honoured by this feast offering,
>may you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I placed cakes and wine on
>the focus of the altar.
>
>"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
>eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
>offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
>the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
>libation on the focus of the altar.
>
>"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
>eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
>to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
>this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
>focus of the altar.
>
>"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
>eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Minerva, as by
>offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
>the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
>libation on the focus of the altar.
>
>"Iuno Regina, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
>eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Queen Iuno, as by offering
>to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
>this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
>focus of the altar.
>
>"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
>eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by
>offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
>the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
>libation on the focus of the altar.
>
>"Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Goddess
>Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble
>wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.
>
>"Ita vultis, ita est!" ["As You will, so it is!"]
>
>"Illicet [It is permitted to go.]"
>
>I profaned wine and cakes, and I partook of the epulum with Iuppiter
>Dapalis and Venus Erycina, praying as I ate. I also made a further
>personal offering to my own Lares.
>
>PIACULUM
>"Iuppiter Dapalis, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc
>vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio." [Iuppiter of the
>Sacrifices, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with
>this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.] I poured a
>libation on the focus of the altar.
>
>"Vebus Erycina,si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino
>inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio." [Venus of Eryx, if
>anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this humble
>wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.] I poured a libation on
>the focus of the altar.
>
>Valete!
>
>Caius Moravius Brutus
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C. Equitius Cato M. Octavio Germanico quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.


Again, prudent words. We are presented, then, with the opportunity to
overhaul our election process in significantly intelligent ways.

While the ancient practice of using only a single day for elections is
apparently outside our abilities due to the global nature of our
community, still we could surely simplify the way our elections are
handled.

Vale et valete,

Cato

Salvete omnes,

I finally have been able to settle down this morning after one hectic
week and listen to NR's first podcast.

This brocast has left me breathless! It does Nova Roma proud and is
just the sort of medicine we have needed for a long time. I cannot
think of a better way to get our message out and this is the very
approach that got me interested in Rome as a youngster when my mothers
or teachers would give a talk on Roman history then read from the
Aneid or books on mythology. I enjoyed the Latin readings and see
where a few of my pronounciations were a little out to lunch!

Without trying to be offensive, I must point out that I think A.
Apollonius Cordus may have missed his calling in life - to be in
brodcasting!

Well done to all involved and I am looking forward to future brodcasts.
I am emailing the url out to friends and family and am confident they
will be enthralled!

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

Salvete quirites,

It seems the idea of election reform has come up again, so it's a good idea to
remind everyone of how we got where we are now.

Back during the consulship of Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus we set out to
reform the process by which elections took place. I was one of Consul
Quintilianus' accensi then, and I was deeply involved with crafting the law.
Originally we didn't intend to have progressive voting by class/century in the
Comitia Centuriata, but some of our most vocal Religionists made a strong case
for it, led by G. Iulius Scaurus. I worked with Pontifex Scaurus for most of
a month to hammer out the details of the process which you find in the
current Lex Fabia addressing voting in the Comitia Centuriata.

The entire reason for providing so much time for the election to take place
was so that no person with qualms about voting on a dies nefasti would have
to do so. The idea was that the election would only have to *begin* on a
proper dies comitalis, and would then progress onward regardless. In later
years, because of the vocal objections of other Religionists, I and others
have suspended an election in progress in order to address subsequent
concerns about anyone voting on a dies nefasti. It really has become quite a
mess.

At this point I'm ready to say that we gave it a good try, and the whole idea
of progressive voting by class simply proved too awkward. It worked fine for
the Romans of Antiquity because they would gather on the Campus Martius and
all the centuries would vote in a single day. We don't do that, and we never
have, so I recommend a solution that follows the Roman trend toward pragmatism
if not the specific Roman practice. (After all, if we were to adhere to the
exact practice WE would all meet at the Campus Martius to vote...)

We can preserve the concept of the Centuria Praerogativa -- should anyone wish
-- by simply asking the Diribitores to announce the raw count of votes in the
Centuria Praerogativa 24 hours after the voting has begun. Otherwise just
let everyone vote at the same time for 96 full hours and then be done with
it.

Valete,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

>

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus bonae
uoluntatis, praesertim Q. Suetonio Paulino S.P.D.

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I finally have been able to settle down this morning after one hectic
> week and listen to NR's first podcast.
>
> This brocast has left me breathless! It does Nova Roma proud and is
> just the sort of medicine we have needed for a long time. I cannot
> think of a better way to get our message out and this is the very
> approach that got me interested in Rome as a youngster when my mothers
> or teachers would give a talk on Roman history then read from the
> Aneid or books on mythology. I enjoyed the Latin readings and see
> where a few of my pronounciations were a little out to lunch!
>
> ATS: I expect to hear similar sentiments from Avitus soon regarding my
> own pronunciation. He¹s back from vacation...
>
> If you were using Ecclesiastical/Medieval/Italian Latin, your
> pronunciation is perfectly legitimate (as we have been discussing on
> Latinitas), but the Reconstructed/Continental Roman pronunciation is what we
> teach in the Academia Thules, as do most classicists these days. Next year I
> hope to get sound files onto the class site so that we can practice this more
> intensely; indeed, with luck we may be able to do this even this year. As you
> know, the lessons are over, but homework assignments must be completed and
> tests endured before the course will be over, so perhaps I can use the same
> method and Saturninus can put some of these on the site.
>
> Secondly, the Aeneid is poetry, in dactylic hexameter. Latin poetry is
> scanned by the length of the syllables, not the stress accent. Often enough,
> vowels must be elided in order for words to scan, and the accentuation must be
> changed there and in other instances as well: illius, which is accented on
> the second syllable in Latin prose, was accented on the first syllable in the
> Aeneid reading because the second (anomalously accented) syllable is short and
> isn¹t stressed in poetry. There are other instances.
>
> The conversational segment is a bit awkward because the text was changed
> in between my recording and the mixing, and because we were speaking slowly
> with long pauses for comprehension; I doubt that Avitus would have approved of
> any translation, but I think it is essential for comprehension and learning.
> There is, however, a better way to do this, and I hope that we will employ it
> next time. Next time we might also include a third speaker, and would know
> in advance which of us was going to be the interlocutor with Avitus. We might
> also have a definitive text in a more timely fashion.
>
>
> Without trying to be offensive, I must point out that I think A.
> Apollonius Cordus may have missed his calling in life - to be in
> brodcasting!
>
> ATS: I believe that Cordus has studied drama...not necessarily useless in
> his anticipated career as a barrister. He did do a fine job, even though he
> had to stay up all night to rewrite part of the dialog and add the intervening
> narrative segments; the preliminary version available to us the previous day
> lacked these, and was rather choppy. We¹ll probably keep Cordus on...
>
> Well done to all involved and I am looking forward to future brodcasts.
> I am emailing the url out to friends and family and am confident they
> will be enthralled!
>
> ATS: Plurimas gratias! We anticipate another one in about two months.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
>
> Vale, et ualete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>

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Q. Metellus Omnibus salutem.

Salvete,

The calendar for the current nundinum is as follows:

25 a.d. VII Kal. Mai. C NP
26 a.d. VI Kal. Mai. D C
27 a.d. V Kal. Mai. E C
28 a.d. IV Kal. Mai. F C
29 a.d. III Kal. Mai. G C
30 pr. Kal. Mai. H C
01 Kal. Mai. A F
02 a.d. VI Non. Mai. B F Ater
03 a.d. V Non. Mai. C F

Of note within this nundinum are:

a.d. VII Kal. Mai. (Robigalia)
a.d. IV Kal. Mai. (Ludi Florales begin)
a.d. V Non. Mai. (Ludi Florales end)

Bene Valete,

Q. Caecilius Metellus,
Pontifex

C. Equitius Cato Cn. Equitio Marino sal.

Salve censor.

Thank you for explaining the development of the current voting
process. Question: do you think that the century/tribe progression
could be amended in order to preserve the sense of the ancient process
while streamlining the entire process as a whole?

If the voting timeframe was changed to, say, three full days (72
hours), with the first 24 hours devoted to the highest centuries/
tribes, with the rest following over the next 48 hours? I *think*
that's what you meant by announcing the results after 24 hours.

It is a little amusing that something as simple as "OK, everybody out
to the field to vote today" --- which basically governed Roman society
for some 700 years --- becomes increasingly more complex with the
advent of new technologies designed specifically to make long-range
communication easier...

Vale bene,

Cato