OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Kalendas Iunius; haec dies nefastus publicus est.

"Carna, the first day's yours. Goddess of the hinge:
She opens the closed, by her power, closes the open.
The story of how she gained the powers she has is obscured
By time, but you'll still learn of it from my verse.
There's an ancient grove of Alernus near the Tiber:
And the priests still make sacrifices there.
A nymph was born there (men of old called her Cranae)
Who was often sought in vain by many suitors.
She used to hunt the land, chasing wild beasts with spears,
Stretching her woven nets in the hollow valleys.
She'd no quiver, yet considered herself Apollo's
Sister: nor need you, Apollo, have been ashamed of her.
If any youth spoke words of love to her,
She gave him this answer right away:
`There's too much light here, it's too shameful
In the light: if you'll lead to a darker cave, I'll follow.'
While he went in front, credulously, she no sooner reached
The bushes than she hid: and was nowhere to be found.
Janus saw her, and the sight raised his passion.
He used soft words to the hard-hearted nymph.
She told him to find a more private cave,
Followed him closely: then deserted her leader.
Foolish child! Janus can see what happens behind him:
You gain nothing: he looks back at your hiding place.
Nothing gained, as I said, you see! He caught you, hidden
Behind a rock, clasped you, worked his will, then said:
`In return for our union, the hinges belong to you:
Have them as recompense for your maidenhead.'
So saying he gave her a thorn (it was white-thorn)
With which to drive away evil from the threshold.
There are some greedy birds, not those that cheated
Phineus of his meal, though descended from that race:
Their heads are large, their eyes stick out, their beaks
Fit for tearing, their feathers are grey, their claws hooked.
They fly by night, attacking children with absent nurses,
And defiling their bodies, snatched from the cradle.
They're said to rend the flesh of infants with their beaks,
And their throats are full of the blood they drink.
They're called screech-owls, and the reason for the name
Is the horrible screeching they usually make at night.
Whether they're born as birds, or whether they're made so
By spells, old women transformed to birds by Marsian magic,
They still entered Proca's bedroom. Proca was fresh
Prey for the birds, a child of five days old.
They sucked at the infant's chest, with greedy tongues:
And the wretched child screamed for help.
Scared at his cry, the nurse ran to her ward,
And found his cheeks slashed by their sharp claws.
What could she do? The colour of the child's face
Was that of late leaves nipped by an early frost.
She went to Cranae and told her: Cranae said:
`Don't be afraid: your little ward will be safe.'
She approached the cradle: the parents wept:
`Restrain your tears,' she said, `I'll heal him.'
Quickly she touched the doorposts, one after the other,
Three times, with arbutus leaves, three times with arbutus
Marked the threshold: sprinkled the entrance with water,
Medicinal water, while holding the entrails of a two-month sow:
And said: `Birds of night, spare his entrails:
A small victim's offered here for a small child.
Take a heart for a heart, I beg, flesh for flesh,
This life we give you for a dearer life.'
When she'd sacrificed, she placed the severed flesh
In the open air, and forbade those there to look at it.
A `rod of Janus', taken from a whitethorn, was set
Where a little window shed light into the room.
After that, they say, the birds avoided the cradle,
And the boy recovered the colour he'd had before.
You ask why we eat greasy bacon-fat on the Kalends,
And why we mix beans with parched grain?
She's an ancient goddess, nourished by familiar food,
No epicure to seek out alien dainties.
In ancient times the fish still swam unharmed,
And the oysters were safe in their shells.
Italy was unaware of Ionian heath-cocks,
And the cranes that enjoy Pigmy blood:
Only the feathers of the peacock pleased,
And the nations didn't send us captive creatures.
Pigs were prized: men feasted on slaughtered swine:
The earth only yielded beans and hard grains.
They say that whoever eats these two foods together
At the Kalends, in this sixth month, will have sweet digestion.
They also say that the shrine of Juno Moneta was founded
On the summit of the citadel, according to your vow, Camillus:
Before it was built, the house of Manlius had protected
Capitoline Jove against the Gallic weapons.
Great Gods, it would have been better, if he'd fallen,
In defence of your throne, noble Jupiter!
He lived to be executed, condemned for seeking kingship:
That was the crown long years granted him.
This same day is a festival of Mars, whose temple
By the Covered Way is seen from beyond the Capene Gate.
You too, Tempest, were considered worthy of a shrine,
After our fleet was almost sunk in Corsican waters.
These human monuments are obvious. If you look
For stars too, great Jove's eagle, with curved talons, rises." - Ovid,
Fasti VI

"The Sabinoi [Sabines of Italia], since they had long been at war with
the Ombrikoi, vowed to dedicate everything that was produced that
year; and, on winning the victory, they partly sacrificed and partly
dedicated all that was produced; then a dearth ensued, and some one
said that they ought to have dedicated the babies too; this they did,
and devoted to Mars all the children born that year; and these
children, when grown to manhood, they sent away as colonists, and a
bull led the way; and when the bull lay down to rest in the land of
the Opikoi...the Sabinoi ejected them and settled on the spot, and, in
accordance with the utterance of their seers, slaughtered the bull as
a sacrifice to Mars who had given it for a guide." -Strabo 5.4.12

"Ares, to gory strife he speedeth, wroth with foes, when maddeneth his
heart, and grim his frown is, and his eyes flash levin-flame around
him, and his face is clothed with glory of beauty terror-blent, as on
he rusheth: quail the very Gods." - Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 7.400

Today is the Kalends of Iunius; although the month is dedicated to
Iuno, today is specifically held in honor of Mars, the god of war,
known to the Greeks as Ares. Mars, unlike his Greek counterpart, Ares
the god of war, was more widely worshipped than any of the other Roman
gods, probably in part because his sons by the Vestal Virgin Rhea
Silvia, Romulus and Remus, were said to have founded Rome; the Romans
called themselves the sons of Mars. Venus, who was Mars' consort in
legends borrowed from the Greek mythos, held similar importance for
them because of her relationship to Aeneas. Mars was also one of the
three supreme Roman deities of the Archaic Triad, along with Jupiter
and Quirinus.

The primary temple to Mars, dedicated to Mars Gradivus (referring to
Mars' role of preceding the army in battle) was on the northeast side
of the Via Appia outside the Porta Capena, between the first and
second milestones. As a result of the temple, this district came to be
known as ad Martis ("to [the temple] of Mars"). The temple contained a
statue of Mars and probably images of wolves. It was vowed during the
Gallic invasions, and was dedicated c. June 1, 388 BC. It was also the
site where the Roman army gathered before leaving for a war, and was
praised upon returning from victorious battles.

Another major temple to Mars, shared with Jupiter and Quirinus, was on
the Capitoline Hill. Another, the Temple of Mars Ultor ("Mars the
Avenger"), was in the Forum Augustus. It was dedicated in 2 BC by
Augustus, and paid tribute to Mars for supposedly aiding Augustus at
the Battle of Philippi. Yet another temple, designed by a Greek
architect, was built in the Circus Flaminius by Decimus Junius Brutus
Callaicus, probably after his triumph c. 133 BC. It contained a
massive statue of Mars and a naked Venus by Sopas, and the path to the
temple was decorated with verses by the poet Lucius Accius. Julius
Caesar planned to build a titanic temple to Mars on the Naumachia, a
lake used for mock sea battles, but the site was instead used as part
of the location of the Pantheon.

The Campus Martius ("Field of Mars") was dedicated to Mars, and was
where soldiers and athletes trained. Mars also had an altar there, the
Ara Martis. In the Regia on the Roman Forum, the hastae Martiae
("lances of Mars") were kept in a small chamber. Any movement of the
hastae Martiae was seen as an omen of war. If Rome was attacking, the
generals moved their lances and repeated "Mars vigila!" ("Awaken, Mars!").

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Strabo, Quintus Smyrnaeus, Wikipedia

A. Apollonius Q. Bianchio omnibusque sal.

> Has anyone been following HBO's series "ROME"? If so, how would you

rate it? Is this something worth buying when released on DVD? <

It's great for creating a sense of what it was like to be in the city of Rome in republican times. In terms of plot it's pretty bad and mostly inaccurate.

i have been following it.it agreat series and tells the story of julius ceasar very well and acuratly.there are also some great areas the movie where they show how they practised the roman religion.also a good movie out recently is julius ceasar which shows a more early time in julius ceasars life as a child and his rise to power.there is also empire series which takes place after julius death but i dont know how acurate the series is.
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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est postridie Kalendas Iunius (a.d. IV Nonas Iunius); haec dies
fastus aterque est.

"Next light summons the Hyades, the horns on Taurus'
Brow, and then the earth's soaked with heavy rain." - Ovid, Fasti VI

"She [Python] it was who once received from gold-throned Hera and
brought up fell, cruel Typhaon to be a plague to men. Once on a time
Hera bare him because she was angry with father Zeus, when Kronides
bare all-glorious Athene in his head. Thereupon queenly Hera was angry
and spoke among the assembled gods: 'Yes, now I will contrive that a
son be born me to be foremost among the undying gods - and that
without casting shame on the holy bond of wedlock between you and me.
And I will not come to your bed, but will consort with the blessed
gods far off from you.'

When she had so spoken, she went apart from the gods, being very
angry. Then straightway large-eyed queenly Hera prayed, striking the
ground flatwise with her hand, and speaking thus: 'Hear now, I pray,
Gaia and wide Ouranos above, and you Titanes gods who dwell beneath
the earth about great Tartaros, and from whom are sprung both gods and
men! Harken you now to me, one and all, and grant that I may bear a
child apart from Zeus, no wit lesser than him in strength - nay, let
him be as much stronger than Zeus as all-seeing Zeus than Kronos.'
Thus she cried and lashed the earth with her strong hand. Then the
life-giving Gaia was moved: and when Hera saw it she was glad in
heart, for she thought her prayer would be fulfilled. And thereafter
she never came to the bed of wise Zeus for a full year.

But when the months and days were fulfilled and the seasons duly came
on as the earth moved round, she bare one neither like the gods nor
mortal men, fell, cruel Typhaon, to be a plague to men. Straightway
large-eyed queenly Hera took him and bringing one evil thing to
another such, gave him to the drakaina; and she received him. And this
Typhaon used to work great mischief among the famous tribes of men." -
Homeric Hymns 3.300-355

"The peacock made complaint to Juno that, while the nightingale
pleased every ear with his song, he himself no sooner opened his mouth
than he became a laughingstock to all who heard him. The Goddess, to
console him, said, "But you far excel in beauty and in size. The
splendor of the emerald shines in your neck and you unfold a tail
gorgeous with painted plumage." "But for what purpose have I," said
the bird, "this dumb beauty so long as I am surpassed in song?' "The
lot of each," replied Juno, "has been assigned by the will of the
Fates--to thee, beauty; to the eagle, strength; to the nightingale,
song; to the raven, favorable, and to the crow, unfavorable auguries.
These are all contented with the endowments allotted to them." - Aesop

"I sing of golden-throned Hera whom Rhea bare. Queen of the Immortals
is she, surpassing all in beauty: she is the sister and wife of
loud-thundering Zeus, - the glorious one whom all the blessed
throughout high Olympos reverence and honour even as Zeus who delights
in thunder." –Homeric Hymn XII To Hera

"The homage of our song is also due to Hera, the goddess of marriage,
who interests herself in every chorus and guards the approach to the
nuptial couch." - Aristophanes Thesmophoriazusae 970

"The parents of the maidens died because of the wrath of the gods,
that they were reared as orphans by Aphrodite and received gifts from
other goddesses: from Hera wisdom and beauty of form, from Artemis
high stature, from Athena schooling in the works that befit women." -
Pausanias 10.30.1

"When Iuppiter wished to lie with Aegina, the daughter of Asopus, he
feared Juno, and took the girl to the island of Delos, and there made
her pregnant. Aeacus was their son. When Juno found this out, she sent
a serpent into the water which poisoned it, and if anyone drank from
it, he paid the debt to nature. Since Aeacus, his allies lost, could
not protect himself on accou t of the scarcity of men, as he gazed at
some ants, he begged Jupiter to give him men for defense. Then
Iuppiter changed the ants into men." –Hyginus, Fabulae 52

"Zeus fell in love with Semele and slept with her, promising her
anything she wanted, and keeping it all from Hera. But Semele was
deceived by Hera into asking Zeus to come to her as he came to Hera
during their courtship. So Zeus, unable to refuse her, arrived in her
bridal chamber in a chariot with lightning flashes and thunder, and
sent a thunderbolt at her. Semele died of fright, and Zeus grabbed
from the fire her six-month aborted baby [Dionysos], which he sowed
into his thigh. Hermes took him [the baby Dionysos] to Ino and
Athamas, and persuaded them to bring him up as a girl. Incensed, Hera
inflicted madness on them, so that Athamas stalked and slew his elder
son Learkhos on the conviction that he was a deer, while Ino threw
Melikertes into a basin of boiling water, and then, carrying both the
basin and the corpse of the boy, she jumped to the bottom of the sea.
As for Zeus, he escaped Hera's anger by changing Dionysos into a baby
goat. Hermes took him to the Nymphai of Asian Nysa." –Apollodorus 3.26, 28

The month of Iunius is dedicated to Iuno, the great Queen of Heaven,
known to the Greeks as Hera. Iuno rules over all aspects of Roman
life. Besides being called Great Mother, she is also invoked as
"Optima Maxima" meaning best and greatest of the Goddesses. Iuno
watches and protects women from the time they are born until they pass
through the veil. For this reason, Roman women call their souls "iuno"
in honor of the Goddess. Every Roman woman embodied a bit of the
Goddess's spirit, her own soul a iuno, corresponding to the genius of
a man.

As the patroness of marriage, Iuno restores peace between quarreling
couples. One of her temples was used as a sanctuary for women who
needed shelter from cruel husbands. Iuno is one of the most powerful
of the Roman goddesses. She is second in power only to Iuppiter, her
husband and according to some legends, her brother. She was the
goddess of women, particularly married women. Serving as a guardian to
women she oversaw all aspects of a woman's life, childbirth, and
marriage being the primary areas of concern. Iuno Lucina was an
aspect of the goddess Iuno associated with light and childbirth. Her
name lucina probably comes from the Latin lucus (grove). Livy records
that the grove on the Esquiline Hill in which a temple was dedicated
to her in 375 BC is the origin of her name.

By the second century BC Iuno Lucina was associated with childbirth
because the name lucina was thought to have come from the Latin word
lux (light). When a child was born it was said to have been "brought
to light." Women who worshiped Iuno Lucina had to untie knots and
unbraid their hair lest lest these entanglements symbolically block
delivery.

Her children Mars, Hebe, and Vulcan, were lesser gods in their own
right. Juno was noted for her husband's affairs and her jealous
reaction to them. She persistently tormented the offspring of his
infidelities.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Pausanius, Homer, Hyginus, Aesop, Aristophanes, Apollodorus

Salvete omnes!

I thought I was proscribed and expelled, because in most
organizations, when the top four officials all ask you to resign, you
don't have any de facto rights. I was amazed to learn that NR is
different, that it really is conducted according to law.

Would anyone like to be my advocate if there are proceedings against
my citizenship? I can pay you a year's capitation tax to be my
advocate in the matter for up to one year (it should be resolved much
more quickly than that).

I published the letter asking me to resign, because, being an official
act of the top four officials of NR, it seemed to me to be an edict in
everything but name. Now that I know the letter was honest, I'm
content with the moderator's disposition of the matter.

Valete,
Appius Claudius Priscus


...> He has NOT been expelled from Nova Roma but he was asked to
voluntarily resign...

> Any expulsions and loss of citizenship from Nova Roma will be

conducted according to law.

>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Praetor

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Citizens of Nova Roma:

I am sure you are wondering what Appius Claudius Priscus is referring to.
Yes, it is true that he was contacted by me and asked to resign from Nova
Roma on his own free will and accord. He has indicated that he does not
desire to leave, as is his right. Neither I nor the other signers of the
e-mail sent to Priscus, would not have asked him to resign if we did not
feel his presence in Nova Roma was a threat to our well being.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul

On 6/2/06, appiusclaudiuspriscus <appiusclaudiuspriscus@...> wrote:
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> Salvete omnes!
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> I thought I was proscribed and expelled, because in most
> organizations, when the top four officials all ask you to resign, you
> don't have any de facto rights. I was amazed to learn that NR is
> different, that it really is conducted according to law.
>
> Would anyone like to be my advocate if there are proceedings against
> my citizenship? I can pay you a year's capitation tax to be my
> advocate in the matter for up to one year (it should be resolved much
> more quickly than that).
>
> I published the letter asking me to resign, because, being an official
> act of the top four officials of NR, it seemed to me to be an edict in
> everything but name. Now that I know the letter was honest, I'm
> content with the moderator's disposition of the matter.
>
> Valete,
> Appius Claudius Priscus
>
>
> ...> He has NOT been expelled from Nova Roma but he was asked to
> voluntarily resign...
> > Any expulsions and loss of citizenship from Nova Roma will be
> conducted according to law.
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > Praetor
>
>
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Salve Consul,

<I am sure you are wondering what Appius Claudius Priscus is referring to.
Yes, some of us are.

<Yes, it is true that he was contacted by me and asked to resign from Nova
<Roma on his own free will and accord. He has indicated that he does not
<desire to leave, as is his right.

He's right-- we still have laws here.

<Neither I nor the other signers of the
<e-mail sent to Priscus, would not have asked him to resign if we did not
<feel his presence in Nova Roma was a threat to our well being.

Sorry, but this is not correct. My well-being is not being threatened and since none of us even know
what you are talking about, I doubt that there are many who do feel threatened. I'm a moderator of
this list and on the Praetor's staff and even I don't know what exactly is going on.

NR is made up of many different nationalities, cultures and religions, just like Ancient Rome. We
should be open minded to citizens of all opinions, even if they are not in the 'politically correct'
spectrum. That said, this list should not be used to promote macronational political propoganda of
any kind. The Back Alley list, since it is an unofficial NR list, is the place to post it if one
feels the need to share their macro-national political ideas.

In the meantime, the subject matter here should be Rome and Nova Roma.

Vale,
Diana Octavia Aventina

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Dianae Octaviae Aventinae salutem dicit

"In the meantime, the subject matter here should be Rome and Nova Roma."

Yes, very much so!

Regarding the matter concerned, the individual Appius Claudius Priscus, it
is being discussed by the Senate of Nova Roma.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 6/3/06, Diana Aventina <diana@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Consul,
>
> <I am sure you are wondering what Appius Claudius Priscus is referring to.
> Yes, some of us are.
>
> <Yes, it is true that he was contacted by me and asked to resign from Nova
> <Roma on his own free will and accord. He has indicated that he does not
> <desire to leave, as is his right.
>
> He's right-- we still have laws here.
>
> <Neither I nor the other signers of the
> <e-mail sent to Priscus, would not have asked him to resign if we did not
> <feel his presence in Nova Roma was a threat to our well being.
>
> Sorry, but this is not correct. My well-being is not being threatened and
> since none of us even know
> what you are talking about, I doubt that there are many who do feel
> threatened. I'm a moderator of
> this list and on the Praetor's staff and even I don't know what exactly is
> going on.
>
> NR is made up of many different nationalities, cultures and religions,
> just like Ancient Rome. We
> should be open minded to citizens of all opinions, even if they are not in
> the 'politically correct'
> spectrum. That said, this list should not be used to promote macronational
> political propoganda of
> any kind. The Back Alley list, since it is an unofficial NR list, is the
> place to post it if one
> feels the need to share their macro-national political ideas.
>
> In the meantime, the subject matter here should be Rome and Nova Roma.
>
> Vale,
> Diana Octavia Aventina


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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem III nonas Iunius; haec dies comitialis est.

"When two dawns are past, and Phoebus has risen twice,
And the crops have twice been wet by the dewfall,
On that day, they say, during the Tuscan War, Bellona's
Shrine was consecrated, she who always brings Rome success.
Appius was responsible, who, when peace was denied Pyrrhus,
Saw clearly with his mind, though deprived of sight.
A little open space looks down on the heights of the Circus
From the temple, there's a little pillar there of no mean importance:
The custom is to hurl a spear from there to declare war,
When it's been decided to take up arms against kings and nations." -
Ovid, Fasti VI

"Hard by them stood Enyo, spurred them on ceaselessly: never paused
they from the strife...Eris (strife incarnate) watched and gloated
o'er them." - Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 8.186

"Stalked through the midst deadly Enyo, her shoulders and her hands
blood-splashed, while fearful sweat streamed from her limbs. Revelling
in equal fight, she aided none, lest Thetis' or Ares' wrath be
stirred." - op. cit. 8.286

"The gifts of Ares are swords and brazen tunics to array the limbs and
helmets and spears and whatsoever things Enyo delights in." - Oppian,
Halieutica 2.24

"And Enyo, revelling in the drunkenness of unmixed blood, danced all
night throughout the city, like a hurricane, turbulent with the waves
of the surging war. And therewithal Eris lifted her head high as
heaven and stirred up the Argives; since even bloody Ares, late but
even so, came and brought to the Danaans the changeful victory in
war." - Tryphiodorus, Sack of Ilium 560

"And to Phorkys Keto bore the Graiai, with fair faces and gray from
birth, and these the gods who are immortal and men who walk on the
earth call Graiai, the gray sisters, Pemphredo robed in beauty and
Enyo robed in saffron." - Hesiod, Theogony 270

"So with Hermes and Athene as his guides Perseus sought out the
daughters of Phorkys, who were named Enyo, Pephredo, and Deino. These
daughters of Phorkys and Keto, sisters of the Gorgones, were old women
from their birth. The three of them possessed only one eye and one
tooth among them, which they took turns using. Perseus appropriated
these, and when they demanded them back, he said he would return them
after they had directed him to the nymphs .. When the daughters of
Phorkys had led Perseus to the nymphs, he returned them their tooth
and eye." - Apollodorus, The Library 2.37-39

"Amid the night-wandering shades the god of battle from on high made
to resound with the thunder of arms the Nemean fields and Arcadia from
end to end, and the height of Taenarum and Therapnae...filled excited
hearts with passion for himself. Furor (Fury) and Iraque (Wrath) make
trim his crest, and Pavor (Panic), his own squire, handles his horses'
reins. But Fama (Rumour), awake to every sound and girt with empty
tidings of tumult, flies before the chariot, sped onward by the winged
steeds' panting breath, and with loud whirring shakes out her
fluttering plumes; for the charioteer [Bellona] with blood-stained
goad urges her to speak, be it truth or falsehood, while threatening
from the lofty car the sire [Mars] with Scythian lance assails the
back and tresses of the goddess." - Statius, Thebaid 3.424

"Bellona flashed her sword o'er their heads." - Valerius Flaccus,
Argonautica 2.228

Today is held in honor of the goddess Bellona. In Greek mythology,
Enyo ("horror") was an ancient goddess known by the epithet "Waster of
Cities" and frequently depicted as being covered in blood and carrying
weapons of war. She was frequently portrayed as a companion of Ares,
the chief god of war, and has been variously said to be his mother or
sister. She was occasionally said to be one of the Graeae. Enyo was,
as you have read above, absolutely without remorse or compassion, and
revelled only in slaughter and destruction.

Enyo's Roman counterpart, Bellona, like Ares's counterpart Mars, was
much more popular. She is believed to be one of the numinous gods of
the Romans (without a particular mythology and possibly of Etruscan
origin), and is supposed by many to have been the Romans' original war
deity, predating the identification of Mars with Ares. Her name,
Bellona, is derived from the Latin word for "war" (bellum), and is
directly related to the modern English word "belligerent" (lit.,
"war-bearing"). In art, she is portrayed with a helmet, sword, spear,
and torch.

All Senate meetings relating to foreign war were conducted in the
Templum Bellonae (Temple of Bellona) on the Collis Capitolinus outside
the pomerium. This temple was built in 296 BC and was burned down in
48 BC.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Hesiod, Apollodorus, Statius, Oppian, Quintus Smyrnaeus,
Valerius Flaccius, Wikipedia

Salve et salvete,

Thank you, I'm glad to be back.

Besides Mithraism, I'm also working on some
interesting legal parallels between late Roman
paganism (evolution and recognition of a plurality of
cults and religions out of the capitoline cult so long
as they recognize it and the development of Puranic
Hinduism as a plurality of diverse cults that are
recognized so long as they recognize the "nominal"
authority of the Vedic cult). If the late Roman
religious system of paganism had survived, I
speculate, it would have resembled the religious
culture of India today.

I'm working with others in comparing the development
of Hindu Brahmanic/Vedic law so as to incorporate
other religious movements, vaisnaivite, shivaite,
nath, yoga, tantric (shaiviate,
vaisnaivite-bengali-krsna, Durga) into a "Vedic
system" with the Roman classification and legal
recognition of originally nonRoman cults. In legal
terms, the process is a quite conservative one with
radical results. It is also quite similar in India and
Rome: new cults that recognized the supreme
authority of the Vedic/Capitoline Brahmanic/Patrician
cult were recognized and tolerated (kings and emperors
would even build temples and become devotees in the
new cults). Broadly, "Hinduism" in its legal structure
is not so much a single religion but a multitude of
cults under a single Vedic umbrella like late Rome
was, apart from and before the rise of an exclusivist
Judeo-Christianity.

As Professor Bart Ehman argues in his book, Lost
Christianities: the Christianities We Never Knew,
_all_ forms of the early Christian movements from the
Judean-Jerusalem rooted pauline movement (crucifixion
centered), the northern Galilean Sayings of Jesus as
guru movement (cross has no saving significance), the
ebionite movement (Jesus is not God but messianic
agent - cross just martyrdom), and the gnostics (Jesus
was manifestation of the heavenly sophia - cross
irrelevant to inward illumination) were exclusivist,
even the gnostics - who many of a liberal religious
bent feel drawn to today - were of a "only we have the
true way of salvation and all others (including the
other forms of christianity) are lost" mentality.

Had the Roman religious system survived, the west
would have probably looked much like India -- a
western Hindu-type of religious culture (it was, I
think, Ferguson in his The Religions of Rome that
first suggested this parallel between late Rome and
the development of Puranic Hinduism out of the
classical Brahmanic-Vedic Hinduism).



--- "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:

> A. Apollonius A. Sempronio omnibusque sal.
>
> Welcome back, A. Semproni. Good to see you again.
>

A. Sempronius Regulus



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Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem. - Horace
MMDCCLIX Anno urbis conditae (AUC)





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I think that those of us who have been following the still unclear references to Appius Claudius Priscus and his being "a threat to our well being", would like to know why Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Consul and some other authorities in Nova Roma have arrived to that judgement.

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Im looking for a good online Translator..Ive looked in the Links
section but the one that is listed there doesnt really work,and none
of the ones I've found work well either...I was trying to figure what
the Latin for "Hope,Faith,Charity" and "Faith,Family,Friends" were and
some other things.

Pax!

> Salve, et salvete!
>
> Im looking for a good online Translator..Ive looked in the Links
> section but the one that is listed there doesnt really work,and none
> of the ones I've found work well either...I was trying to figure what
> the Latin for "Hope,Faith,Charity" and "Faith,Family,Friends" were and
> some other things.
>
> ATS: Faith, Hope, and Charity: Fides, Spes, et Caritas; Faith, Family,
> and Friends: Fides, Familia, et Amici.
>
> Pax!
>
> Et tecum vobiscumque!
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
> Classicist
> Interpres Linguae Latinae
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete Omnes!

Now the truth is known: A. Tullia Scholastica is the internet's most
reliable on-line translator of English to Latin!

The NR Wiki has a page of sources for Latin study. The page is a work
in progress but it can be found here:
http://www.novaroma.org/wiki/Reading_list_for_lingua_Latina

Some of the dictionaries are quite inexpensive. The Bantam or the
Collins Gem next to the computer would be found handy by many, I believe.

Optime valete!

Agricola


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
<fororom@...> wrote:

>
> > Salve, et salvete!
> >
> > Im looking for a good online Translator..Ive looked in the Links
> > section but the one that is listed there doesnt really work,and none
> > of the ones I've found work well either...I was trying to figure what
> > the Latin for "Hope,Faith,Charity" and "Faith,Family,Friends" were and
> > some other things.
> >
> > ATS: Faith, Hope, and Charity: Fides, Spes, et Caritas;

Faith, Family,

> > and Friends: Fides, Familia, et Amici.
> >
> > Pax!
> >
> > Et tecum vobiscumque!
> >
> > Vale, et valete,
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica
> > Classicist
> > Interpres Linguae Latinae
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve!
Thanks for the translations A. Tullia Scholastica..
Pax et Vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
<fororom@...> wrote:

>
> > Salve, et salvete!
> >
> > Im looking for a good online Translator..Ive looked in the Links
> > section but the one that is listed there doesnt really work,and

none

> > of the ones I've found work well either...I was trying to figure

what

> > the Latin for "Hope,Faith,Charity" and "Faith,Family,Friends"

were and

> > some other things.
> >
> > ATS: Faith, Hope, and Charity: Fides, Spes, et Caritas;

Faith, Family,

> > and Friends: Fides, Familia, et Amici.
> >
> > Pax!
> >
> > Et tecum vobiscumque!
> >
> > Vale, et valete,
> >
> > A. Tullia Scholastica
> > Classicist
> > Interpres Linguae Latinae
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete!
I read the threads on here about Nova Roma and freedom of
Religion,which is great but couldnt NR or someone that is of a
priestly class create a Website just for Religio Roma,that is
affiliated with NR but not controlled by NR?

I also need some prayers dedicated to Apollo,the Lares and other
household gods..Im not good at creating prayers and any help would be
appreciated..

Vale!
M.Silvanvs

Salvete!M.Lucretius Agricola,
Thanks for the link and the advice...

Vale!
M.Silvanvs
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola"
<wm_hogue@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete Omnes!
>
> Now the truth is known: A. Tullia Scholastica is the internet's

most

> reliable on-line translator of English to Latin!
>
> The NR Wiki has a page of sources for Latin study. The page is a

work

> in progress but it can be found here:
> http://www.novaroma.org/wiki/Reading_list_for_lingua_Latina
>
> Some of the dictionaries are quite inexpensive. The Bantam or the
> Collins Gem next to the computer would be found handy by many, I

believe.

>
> Optime valete!
>
> Agricola
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
> <fororom@> wrote:
> >
> > > Salve, et salvete!
> > >
> > > Im looking for a good online Translator..Ive looked in the

Links

> > > section but the one that is listed there doesnt really

work,and none

> > > of the ones I've found work well either...I was trying to

figure what

> > > the Latin for "Hope,Faith,Charity" and "Faith,Family,Friends"

were and

> > > some other things.
> > >
> > > ATS: Faith, Hope, and Charity: Fides, Spes, et Caritas;
> Faith, Family,
> > > and Friends: Fides, Familia, et Amici.
> > >
> > > Pax!
> > >
> > > Et tecum vobiscumque!
> > >
> > > Vale, et valete,
> > >
> > > A. Tullia Scholastica
> > > Classicist
> > > Interpres Linguae Latinae
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Tribunus Plebis Marcus Arminius Maior Quiritibus salutem plurimam
dicit:

Report of Senate session

Senate Voting Results, as published on pridie Nonas Iunias MMDCCLIX
A.U.C. (04 June 2006 CE).

The Senate was called to order on May 21, 2006 (2759) by Consul
Pompeia Minucia Strabo.
The Contio was held on agenda items from 24 May 2006 through 28 May 2006.
Voting on the agenda items was then held from 28 May 2006, 20:00,
through 31 May 2006, 20:00 Rome time.

On 31th of May, the latest session of the Senate of Nova Roma was
declared closed by the Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo, in

which 28 of the 37 senatores voted, fulfilling the quorum needed for
the session.

Here are the list of the voting Senators, alphabetically listed by nomen:


[SAS] Sextus Apollonius Scipio
[FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
[MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior
[MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
[CCS] Caius Curius Saturninus
[ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica
[LECA] Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
[GFBM] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
[CFBQ] Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
[QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus
[CFD] Caius Flavius Diocletianus
[TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
[MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus
[DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
[TLF] Titus Labienus Fortunatus
[MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens
[LMS] Lucius Minicius Sceptius
[PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo
[AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
[MOG] Marcus Octavius Germanicus
[TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
[GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas
[GSA] Gnaeus Salvius Astur
[JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna
[LSA] Lucius Sergius Australicus
[QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
[ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
[FVG] Flavius Vedius Germanicus

The following senatores failed to vote in this session:

[MAGG] Marcus Antonius Gryllus Graecus
[LAF] Lucius Arminius Faustus
[MCJ] Marcus Cassius Julianus
[PC] Patricia Cassia
[MCS] Manius Constantinus Serapio
[LCSF] Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
[GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
[GL] Gaia Livia
[GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus

Commments: Senator M. Antonius Gryllus Graecus send his vote before
the voting period, and Senator Gn. Equitius Marinus send his proxy,
that was not effected.

The items for consideration were as follows:


ITEM I: Gubernatorial Candidates

i. Candidates for Mediatlantica Propraetorship. There are two
candidates asking for appointment:
- Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Senator et Praetor is to be appointed
Propraetor Mediatlantica
- Gaius Equitius Cato Curule Aedile is to be appointed Propraetor
Mediatlantica

SAS : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
FAC : Abstineo.
MAM : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
MBA : Uti Rogas, for both candidates.
CCS : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
ECF : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
LECA: Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
CFBM: Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
CFBQ: Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
QFM : Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
CFD : Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
TGP : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
MIP : Abstineo.
DIPI: Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
TLF : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
MMA : Uti Rogas, for both candidates.
LMS : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
PMS : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
AMA : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
MOG : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
TOPA: Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
GPL : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
GSA : Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
JSM : Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
LSA : Uti Rogas, for G. Equitius Cato.
QSP : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
ATMC: Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
FVG : Uti Rogas, for Ti. Galerius Paulinus.

Candidate Ti. Galerius Paulinus received 20 Uti Rogas, candidate G.
Equitius Cato received 8 uti Rogas, and there were 2

abstentions (2 senatores voted for both).

Congratulation Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, appointed by the Senatus
Propraetor of Provincia Mediatlantica.


Comments from Senatores:

TOPA: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is clearly the more qualified and
experienced candidate and as such has my vote.
CCS : While both of the candidates have my support, I feel proper to
vote the one which I see as more qualified for the

position. I'm glad to see that there is actually a choice for
propraetorship in provincia, let's hope that in the future too

the Senate has the privilege to choose from many candidates when
filling propraetorships.
LECA: I believe that Cato is most qualified. He is Curule Aedile and
as current Legate to Nova Eboracum Mediatlantica he has proven himself
as Quaestor along with his contributions to the coin project and his
informative daily posts to the Forum.
GFBM: Between the two choices of Cato or Paulinus I believe that
Paulinus is the most qualified. With Paulinus being a current Praetor
it seems only fitting that he should also serve as a provincial governor.
GPL : I have the greatest respect for Gaius Equitius, but I believe
Paulinus to be the better choice at this point. I hope Cato will
continue to serve as a provincial Legate.
JSM : I consider both candidates to be qualified; Cato, however, has
a track record of organising face-to-face meetings of provincials -- a
thing I consider essential to furthering provincial involvement and
commitment to Nova Roma.
DIPI: Nothing against Cato, he has served well so far in his brief
service to the republic but it would be doing a disservice to Nova
Roma and the cursus honorum to appoint an aedile as governor over a
sitting praetor and senator.
QFM : Equitius is qualified, and knowledgeable. I dont agree with
his religious views, but thats the beauty of non discrimination.


ii Candidate for America Austrorientalis Propraetorship
Flavius Galerius Aurelianus Flamen Cerealis is to be appointed
Propraetor America Austrorientalis.

SAS : Uti Rogas.
FAC : Uti Rogas.
MAM : Uti Rogas.
MBA : Uti Rogas.
CCS : Uti Rogas.
ECF : Uti Rogas.
LECA: Uti Rogas.
CFBM: Uti Rogas.
CFBQ: Uti Rogas.
QFM : Uti Rogas.
CFD : Uti Rogas.
TGP : Uti Rogas.
MIP : Uti Rogas.
DIPI: Uti Rogas.
TLF : Uti Rogas.
MMA : Uti Rogas.
LMS : Uti Rogas.
PMS : Uti Rogas.
AMA : Uti Rogas.
MOG : Uti Rogas.
TOPA: Uti Rogas.
GPL : Uti Rogas.
GSA : Uti Rogas.
JSM : Uti Rogas.
LSA : Uti Rogas.
QSP : Uti Rogas.
ATMC: Uti Rogas.
FVG : Uti Rogas.

Candidate Flavius Galerius Aurelianus received 28 Uti Rogas, and is
appointed unanimously.

Congratulations Flavius Galerius Aurelianus, appointed by the
Senatus Propraetor of Provincia America Austrorientalis.


Comments from Senatores:
QFM : Galerius is one of our more active members of NR.



iii Candidate for California Proconsulship
Quintus Fabius Maximus Senator is to be appointed Propraetor
(Proconsul) California.

SAS : Uti Rogas.
FAC : Antiquo.
MAM : Uti Rogas.
MBA : Uti Rogas.
CCS : Antiquo.
ECF : Antiquo.
LECA: Uti Rogas.
CFBM: Antiquo.
CFBQ: Antiquo.
QFM : Uti Rogas.
CFD : Uti Rogas.
TGP : Uti Rogas.
MIP : Antiquo.
DIPI: Uti Rogas.
TLF : Uti Rogas.
MMA : Uti Rogas.
LMS : Abstineo.
PMS : Antiquo.
AMA : Abstineo.
MOG : Uti Rogas.
TOPA: Antiquo.
GPL : Uti Rogas.
GSA : Antiquo.
JSM : Antiquo.
LSA : Uti Rogas.
QSP : Uti Rogas.
ATMC: Uti Rogas.
FVG : Uti Rogas.

Candidate Q. Fabius Maximus received 16 Uti Rogas, 10 Antiquo and 2
abstentions.

Congratulations Q. Fabius Maximus, appointed by the Senatus
Proconsul of Provincia California.


Comments from Senatores:
TOPA: I request the Consuls approach the tax-paying citizens of
California and ask one of them to candidate for the position. The
problems mentioned in the census and by several senators demonstrate
quite clearly that new leadership is needed in this provincia.
MOG : Frankly, I'm tired of all the blather about him having made a
"threat". It was clearly a joke, and hopefully by this vote of
confidence we can put this matter to rest.
FAC : I think that California needs a new governor able to raise new
citizens and make active the Provincia. The only activity which could
be organized is a collaboration with Getty Museum which is involved in
one of the biggest archeological swindle because accused to traffic
illegal rests stolen in Italy.
TGP : There seems to me to be a large amount of truth in what our
Pater Patriae Flavius Vedius Germanicus has said on the subject of
Quintus Fabius service as governor of California. The Senate should
give serious thought to setting goals in terms of taxpayers and
additional citizens as well as face to face meetings for each
province. Some thought should also be given to reducing the size of
some of our provinces.
CCS : California needs an active propraetor.
MMA : I asked the Senate for their views on this as I was not sure
how to vote, considering the items mentioned in my post. Apparently
some Senators do not believe that each of us have the right to our
beliefs, and must criticize everything said which disagrees with their
views. However, four Senators replied to my questions and concerns,
and made many good points. Some I had not considered sufficiently
until I read their messages. My thanks to these five Senators as your
comments have helped me greatly in making my decision. I also thank
Senator Octavious for his input although it was not quite so polite.
Senator Maximus has also provided some new material that I was not
aware of. Considering all this material together, I have decided to
continue to support Senator Maximus in his request to take up once
more his Proconsulship in California, based on the replies to my
question, and to the sensibility and service that all of the above
have demonstrated. Most of the problems that Senator Maximus has in
his Province, I find are significant in my province as well, and the
size problems of the provinces of California and Nova Britannia are
very similar.
GSA : I was planning to abstain on this item, considering that any
governor, no matter how bad, is better than no governor at all, and
offering Q.Fabius Maximus the opportunity to improve the situation in
California. However, instead of describing his future plans for his
provincia, Q.Fabius Maximus has spent the contio trying to excuse his
lack of past activity in terms that do not allow me to foresee any
future improvement. Besides, his excuses are not convincing enough to
me; I live in a province (Hispania) which is comparable in extension
(194,897 sq mi) and population (44 million inhabitants) to California,
and mine is a very active and lively province thanks to the good work
of successive provincial governments over the years. Therefore, I vote
*against* Q. Fabius Maximus being reinstated as governor for another
bare, fruitless year. Maybe the void will encourage other California
citizens to present themselves for the office, and we might one day
have the propraetor that California deserves.
AMA : I have not met Senator Fabius, nor do I feel that I have
followed the debate enough to express an opinion on this matter.
GFBM: I had originally intended to vote Uti Rogas for Senator
Maximus. However, the way he responded to Caeso Fabius Buteo
Quintilianus gives me reason to question his intentions, and ability
to function as Proconsul. I'm not sure I believe all of the rhetoric
against Maximus, but I do know that his response to Quintilianus was
unnecessary as it was worded.
ATMC: Although Senator Fabius is, a overly rough in his dealing with
people at times, asnd there were threats etc., and even got me a bit
angry with him once long ago, I hold no grudge, and respect his great
knowledge, and contributions to Nova Roma over the years. I would like
to believe, that he perhaps has learned something from our friendly
criticism, and that he can perhaps try to change his approach when
dealing with those that he strongly disagrees with. All of us are
human and have our failings. The thing to always work on is to improve
ourselves in our relationships with others. I am willing to support
Senator Fabius this time, to give him the opportunity to demonstrate
that he is the right person. Yes, there are those here who will say
that I am making a mistake, and perhaps you are right, but I am
willing to give him another chance.
JSM : For an individual to be successful in the office of propraetor
of any provincia requires strong people skills -- motivating and
encouraging citizen involvement and recognising superior
contributions. Those who have met Fabius Maximus may see another side
of him. I, however, must base my decision on years of reading his
postings to this and other lists, and I find Fabius Maximus unsuited
to lead a provincia, based on my observations.
DIPI: Fabius is often berated for his behavior but his critics in
this issue have often been far worse than he in the manner of their
criticism. Fabius has done nothing but behave honorably in the matter
of his proconsulship.
QFM : Im voting for myself because if I abstain its the same as a no
vote.
LSA : What sense is there in turning down Quintus Fabius' request to
continue and instead go to citizens who have expressed no interest in
the post and asking them to take it?



ITEM II:
Propraetrix et Senatrix Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia has requested
that she receive payment for 50% of her province's tax remittance from
2005 and 2006, less transfer costs, based on accounts receivable
spreadsheets, managed by Quaestors. This shall be granted as per
prevailing law and payment forwarded to her by Patricia Cassia on
behalf of this august body.

SAS : Uti Rogas.
FAC : Uti Rogas.
MAM : Uti Rogas.
MBA : Uti Rogas.
CCS : Uti Rogas.
ECF : Uti Rogas.
LECA: Antiquo.
CFBM: Uti Rogas.
CFBQ: Uti Rogas.
QFM : Antiquo.
CFD : Antiquo.
TGP : Uti Rogas.
MIP : Uti Rogas.
DIPI: Abstineo.
TLF : Uti Rogas.
MMA : Uti Rogas.
LMS : Uti Rogas.
PMS : Uti Rogas.
AMA : Uti Rogas.
MOG : Uti Rogas.
TOPA: Uti Rogas.
GPL : Uti Rogas.
GSA : Antiquo.
JSM : Uti Rogas.
LSA : Antiquo.
QSP : Uti Rogas.
ATMC: Uti Rogas.
FVG : Antiquo.

The proposal of Item II received 21 Uti Rogas, 6 Antiquo and 1
abstention, and the item passes.


Comments from Senatores:
CFBQ: I fully trust Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia to use these funds
for the best of the Res Publica and her provincia.
PMS : I am pleased to vote to extend this funding to Arnamentia
Moravia Aurelia, citizen since 2002 who has proven herself to be an
attentive, outstanding Propraetrix et al. Her agenda of plans for the
provincia looks exciting and will benefit the republic as a whole.
Her province's tax money is in good hands with her. She is requesting
funding for the time she has been Propraetrix only. Our budget has an
annual amount dedicated to provincia tax portions. This is one of
these times the money is being requisitioned. The last instance I can
see was Hispania in 2002, and they received the funding as requested.
FVG : While I do not have any objection to the proper application of
our law regarding taxes, it is my understanding that we have yet to
receive the promised "figures and letter of explanation of the
Propraetrix". I certainly have nothing to that effect in my email
inbox. On that basis alone I must say no.
GSA : I do not want this vote to be seen as a vote against
Arnamentia Moravia's performance as propraetrix; I am quite happy with
her. Rather, it is a vote against the possibility that the budget of a
previous year be modified after that year is over. I explicitly would
like to invite Propraetrix Arnamentia Moravia to present a plan and a
budget for the activities she plans to fund with that money this year,
and I will be more than happy to vote in favour of that very same
amount of money - or even more, if necessary. But, in principle, we
can not allow for this kind of bad accountancy practices. Last year's
exercise has been closed, and that should be the end of it. Hispania
did request a refunding four years ago, but we did not request
refunding from previous years - only for the period of that very same
year. That makes a lot of difference.
JSM : I know my colleague personally and, based on her performance
as my legata, as well as my firm conviction that activities such as
those she has outlined are essential to strengthen the bonds between
civis and Nova Roma, I am glad to

support her proposals.
QFM : I understand that 50% of revenue was to returned to the
provinces if requested. I assumed that meant that it would be for a
significant event or happening. Senator Moravia does not make a
compelling argument of HOW these monies were to be used for the event.
General expenses should be budgeted by the administration, for re
imbursement, or raised separately from the citizenry and various fund
raisers.



ITEM III:
Propraetor et Senator Caius Curius Saturninus requests that the 5%
from his calendar sales payable to Nova Roma be applied to the Magna
Mater Fund. These calendars were approved of the Senate in January of
this year and are advertised on www.novaroma.org This financial
reconcilliation will be made prior to the final budget presentation on
or about Dec. 15, 2959 AUC

SAS : Uti Rogas.
FAC : Uti Rogas.
MAM : Antiquo.
MBA : Uti Rogas.
CCS : Uti Rogas.
ECF : Uti Rogas.
LECA: Antiquo.
CFBM: Antiquo.
CFBQ: Uti Rogas.
QFM : Antiquo.
CFD : Antiquo.
TGP : Antiquo.
MIP : Uti Rogas.
DIPI: Antiquo.
TLF : Uti Rogas.
MMA : Antiquo.
LMS : Uti Rogas.
PMS : Uti Rogas.
AMA : Uti Rogas.
MOG : "mu", interpreted as "no voting".
TOPA: Uti Rogas.
GPL : Antiquo.
GSA : Antiquo.
JSM : Antiquo.
LSA : Uti Rogas.
QSP : Uti Rogas.
ATMC: Uti Rogas.
FVG : Antiquo.

The proposal of Item III received 15 Uti Rogas, 12 Antiquo, 1
senator refused to vote, and the item passes.


Comments from Senatores:
CFBQ: I don't think any Senator who contribute shall have the right
to decide where the money should go, but on the other hand I would
listen to a suggestion from anybody and this suggestion is a good one.
Here we have chance to strengthen the only ongoing Nova Roma project
and I for one will take that chance. Still I must once more encourage
the Consuls to set one (we need to be careful when taking on such
responsibilities so that we will be able to meet our own promises)
more project. I have mentioned Vindolanda (on the Hadrian wall) in
Britannia before in different forums. As this year's European
Conventus is located on this very wall it becomes an excellent target
for our support if it is at all possible, something that our excellent
Propraetor of Britannia is well placed to find out.
MOG : My preference would be to abstain from voting on matters in
which I have no particular knowledge or interest; and allocation of
funds is generally one of those. Unfortunately, there is no such thing
as an abstain vote under the Senate procedures of the past few years;
no way to declare oneself neutral. This should have been fixed a long
time ago. Thus I vote: Mu.
FAC : The Magna Mater Project, our most important project, needs
more funds to move to a more advances level.
QSP : A very worthwhile project that helps give NR good credibility.
TGP : It will take years for Caius Curius Saturninus to recover his
investment and I would like the Senate to rebate the 5% to Caius
Curius Saturninus so this happens sooner.
CCS : Magna Mater project needs much more contributions than
donations have given this far. With this request I want to encourage
private citizens to make more donations and the whole of Nova Roma to
give more support for the project.
GSA : Although I would personally like to thank my excellent friend
and colleague C. Curius Saturninus for his generosity, I think, again,
that it is bad practice for donors to dictate to the Senate the terms
in which their donations should be spent. That is the prerogative of
the Senate, according to the needs of Nova Roma, and no one else's.
Otherwise, Saturninus could directly donate to the Magna Mater fund
through the channels provided for such donations, without needing
permission from the Senate.
AMA : A worthy project.
GFBM: I am very supportive of the Magna Mater project, so I do not
want my vote to be seen as a means to undermine this excellent
project. The reason for my vote is because the Magna Mater project
has a few individuals who have donated considerable donations to the
project in the past few months. I also know of some pending
fundraisers by the Aediles to boost the Magna Mater fund. The Nova
Roma treasury needs its own source of income, and allowing Equestrians
to dictate were their percentage donations are going to go could lead
to long term problems. I would rather the fund be sent to the Nova
Roma treasury. If at any time the Magna Mater Project is in need of
funds they can always request funds from the treasury .
JSM : I do not believe that this sets a good budgetary precedent.
The calendar is an outstanding project, as is Magna Mater. But we are
responsible for the overall financial health of Nova Roma, and the
decline in our tax revenues is a cause for long-term concern.
DIPI: I agree with Astur that it would be a bad precedent for
donations be directed to specific funds without prior approval of the
senate. As noted, he certaiinly can direct an additional 5 percent to
the Magna Mater fund.
QFM : I believe that if the Senate wants to give money to MM fund,
it will come out of the general fund. I admire Curius zeal to the
Great Mother, but this just sets a dangerous precedent of separating
funds within the general fund.



Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior
Tribunus Plebis

M. Hortensia M. Silvano spd;
the Religio is controlled by Nova Roma as it is the
official state religion, this is why an independent website is
impossible. I suggest you visit the Religio Romana group as well as
the NR website to get a good understanding of the religio romana and
the Roman state.
bene vale
M. Hortensia Maior

> Salvete!
> I read the threads on here about Nova Roma and freedom of
> Religion,which is great but couldnt NR or someone that is of a
> priestly class create a Website just for Religio Roma,that is
> affiliated with NR but not controlled by NR?
>
> I also need some prayers dedicated to Apollo,the Lares and other
> household gods..Im not good at creating prayers and any help would

be

> appreciated..
>
> Vale!
> M.Silvanvs
>

SALVETE !

Thank you Senators.
"Many small stones together exist and create great temples".

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
MM Project Coordinator.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Arminius Maior"
<marminius@...> wrote:

> ITEM III:
> Propraetor et Senator Caius Curius Saturninus requests that the

5% from his calendar sales payable to Nova Roma be applied to the
Magna Mater Fund. These calendars were approved of the Senate in
January of this year and are advertised on www.novaroma.org This
financial reconcilliation will be made prior to the final budget
presentation on or about Dec. 15, 2959 AUC

>
> SAS : Uti Rogas.
> FAC : Uti Rogas.
> MAM : Antiquo.
> MBA : Uti Rogas.
> CCS : Uti Rogas.
> ECF : Uti Rogas.
> LECA: Antiquo.
> CFBM: Antiquo.
> CFBQ: Uti Rogas.
> QFM : Antiquo.
> CFD : Antiquo.
> TGP : Antiquo.
> MIP : Uti Rogas.
> DIPI: Antiquo.
> TLF : Uti Rogas.
> MMA : Antiquo.
> LMS : Uti Rogas.
> PMS : Uti Rogas.
> AMA : Uti Rogas.
> MOG : "mu", interpreted as "no voting".
> TOPA: Uti Rogas.
> GPL : Antiquo.
> GSA : Antiquo.
> JSM : Antiquo.
> LSA : Uti Rogas.
> QSP : Uti Rogas.
> ATMC: Uti Rogas.
> FVG : Antiquo.
>
> The proposal of Item III received 15 Uti Rogas, 12 Antiquo, 1
> senator refused to vote, and the item passes.
>
>
> Comments from Senatores:
> CFBQ: I don't think any Senator who contribute shall have the

right to decide where the money should go, but on the other hand I
would listen to a suggestion from anybody and this suggestion is a
good one. Here we have chance to strengthen the only ongoing Nova
Roma project and I for one will take that chance. Still I must once
more encourage

> the Consuls to set one (we need to be careful when taking on such
> responsibilities so that we will be able to meet our own promises)
> more project. I have mentioned Vindolanda (on the Hadrian wall) in
> Britannia before in different forums. As this year's European
> Conventus is located on this very wall it becomes an excellent

target for our support if it is at all possible, something that our
excellent Propraetor of Britannia is well placed to find out.

> MOG : My preference would be to abstain from voting on matters in
> which I have no particular knowledge or interest; and allocation of
> funds is generally one of those. Unfortunately, there is no such

thing as an abstain vote under the Senate procedures of the past few
years;

> no way to declare oneself neutral. This should have been fixed a

long time ago. Thus I vote: Mu.

> FAC : The Magna Mater Project, our most important project, needs
> more funds to move to a more advances level.
> QSP : A very worthwhile project that helps give NR good

credibility.

> TGP : It will take years for Caius Curius Saturninus to recover

his

> investment and I would like the Senate to rebate the 5% to Caius
> Curius Saturninus so this happens sooner.
> CCS : Magna Mater project needs much more contributions than
> donations have given this far. With this request I want to

encourage

> private citizens to make more donations and the whole of Nova Roma

to give more support for the project.

> GSA : Although I would personally like to thank my excellent friend
> and colleague C. Curius Saturninus for his generosity, I think,

again,

> that it is bad practice for donors to dictate to the Senate the

terms

> in which their donations should be spent. That is the prerogative

of

> the Senate, according to the needs of Nova Roma, and no one else's.
> Otherwise, Saturninus could directly donate to the Magna Mater fund
> through the channels provided for such donations, without needing
> permission from the Senate.
> AMA : A worthy project.
> GFBM: I am very supportive of the Magna Mater project, so I do

not

> want my vote to be seen as a means to undermine this excellent
> project. The reason for my vote is because the Magna Mater project
> has a few individuals who have donated considerable donations to

the

> project in the past few months. I also know of some pending
> fundraisers by the Aediles to boost the Magna Mater fund. The Nova
> Roma treasury needs its own source of income, and allowing

Equestrians

> to dictate were their percentage donations are going to go could

lead

> to long term problems. I would rather the fund be sent to the Nova
> Roma treasury. If at any time the Magna Mater Project is in need

of

> funds they can always request funds from the treasury .
> JSM : I do not believe that this sets a good budgetary precedent.
> The calendar is an outstanding project, as is Magna Mater. But we

are

> responsible for the overall financial health of Nova Roma, and the
> decline in our tax revenues is a cause for long-term concern.
> DIPI: I agree with Astur that it would be a bad precedent for
> donations be directed to specific funds without prior approval of

the

> senate. As noted, he certaiinly can direct an additional 5 percent

to

> the Magna Mater fund.
> QFM : I believe that if the Senate wants to give money to MM

fund,

> it will come out of the general fund. I admire Curius zeal to the
> Great Mother, but this just sets a dangerous precedent of

separating

> funds within the general fund.
>
>
>
> Valete
> Marcus Arminius Maior
> Tribunus Plebis
>

> A. Tullia Scholastica Silvano quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Salve!
> Thanks for the translations A. Tullia Scholastica..
>
> ATS: Nihil est!
>
>
> Pax et Vale!
>
> Et tibi, et vobis omnibus!
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
> <fororom@...> wrote:
>> >
>>> > > Salve, et salvete!
>>> > >
>>> > > Im looking for a good online Translator..Ive looked in the Links
>>> > > section but the one that is listed there doesnt really work,and
> none
>>> > > of the ones I've found work well either...I was trying to figure
> what
>>> > > the Latin for "Hope,Faith,Charity" and "Faith,Family,Friends"
> were and
>>> > > some other things.
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: Faith, Hope, and Charity: Fides, Spes, et Caritas;
> Faith, Family,
>>> > > and Friends: Fides, Familia, et Amici.
>>> > >
>>> > > Pax!
>>> > >
>>> > > Et tecum vobiscumque!
>>> > >
>>> > > Vale, et valete,
>>> > >
>>> > > A. Tullia Scholastica
>>> > > Classicist
>>> > > Interpres Linguae Latinae
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>> >
>
>
>

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> Salve, Agricola, et salvete, omnes!
>
> Salvete Omnes!
>
> Now the truth is known: A. Tullia Scholastica is the internet's most
> reliable on-line translator of English to Latin!
>
> ATS: Well, if we could get Avitus to perform such duties, the results
> would be better, at least when complicated items have to be dealt with...but
> this was easy enough. Now, a certain 26 page project on textbook translation
> is another matter entirely, but that is translation rather than composition
> (translating the native language into Latin).
>
> The NR Wiki has a page of sources for Latin study. The page is a work
> in progress but it can be found here:
> http://www.novaroma.org/wiki/Reading_list_for_lingua_Latina
>
> Some of the dictionaries are quite inexpensive. The Bantam or the
> Collins Gem next to the computer would be found handy by many, I believe.
>
> ATS: Believe it or not, the Collins Gem is recommended by Avitus, who
> says that there is nothing between it and the Oxford Latin Dictionary, the
> latter at a mere $350 or so. Now, I need that itty-bitty pocket OLD, about
> 12.5 x 9 x 3 inches, but the chances are that most people don¹t. Amsco also
> had a paperback dictionary by Traupman, and Cassell¹s (which gives some
> examples and information on usage) is also available, possibly even in
> paperback, though personally I don¹t recommend reference works in paperback
> unless there is no choice. Either of these is fine for ordinary use by those
> who know some Latin, but don¹t have to translate a lot of it. I believe that
> the Amsco one is now published by some other company. The Collins Gem is also
> decent, and has information on Latin grammar as well, plus that on the
> calendar, numbers, familial relationships, and some geographical and personal
> names...all in a pocket dictionary.
>
> Optime valete!
>
> Agricola
>
> Et tu, et vos omnes bonae voluntatis!
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
> <fororom@...> wrote:
>> >
>>> > > Salve, et salvete!
>>> > >
>>> > > Im looking for a good online Translator..Ive looked in the Links
>>> > > section but the one that is listed there doesnt really work,and none
>>> > > of the ones I've found work well either...I was trying to figure what
>>> > > the Latin for "Hope,Faith,Charity" and "Faith,Family,Friends" were and
>>> > > some other things.
>>> > >
>>> > > ATS: Faith, Hope, and Charity: Fides, Spes, et Caritas;
> Faith, Family,
>>> > > and Friends: Fides, Familia, et Amici.
>>> > >
>>> > > Pax!
>>> > >
>>> > > Et tecum vobiscumque!
>>> > >
>>> > > Vale, et valete,
>>> > >
>>> > > A. Tullia Scholastica
>>> > > Classicist
>>> > > Interpres Linguae Latinae
>>> > >
>>> > >
>
>
>
>

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lvlarcvs_silvanvs wrote:

> I'm looking for a good online Translator....

Well, it's not a translator (in the sense of,
say, Babelfish), but I find "Words", the Latin
pop-up dictionary program, to be invaluable. It's
very powerful and extensive; gives you very helpful
grammatical analysis. You can input a word in any inflection
and it'll parse it for you. And it includes rare, medieval,
and ecclesiastical words.

http://www.erols.com/whitaker/words.htm

A. Tullius Severus

...who, as it happens, has never met
and is not [in the real world] related
to A. Tullia Scholsatica %^)

Thank you for the Senate report Tribune Arminius! It was a good read!

> A. Tullia Scholastica A. Tullio Severo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> lvlarcvs_silvanvs wrote:
>> > I'm looking for a good online Translator....
>
> Well, it's not a translator (in the sense of,
> say, Babelfish), but I find "Words", the Latin
> pop-up dictionary program, to be invaluable. It's
> very powerful and extensive; gives you very helpful
> grammatical analysis. You can input a word in any inflection
> and it'll parse it for you. And it includes rare, medieval,
> and ecclesiastical words.
>
> http://www.erols.com/whitaker/words.htm
>
> A. Tullius Severus
>
> ...who, as it happens, has never met
> and is not [in the real world] related
> to A. Tullia Scholsatica %^)
>
> Tullia: Scholastica...not sure of the meaning of that emotikon thingie...
>
> We are, however, in the same academic field, most of whose members, along with
> many others, are in the sodalitas Latinitatis. I know of at least three
> Tullii who are classicists or classics students, so perhaps our gens will one
> day become known as the home of classicists. Makes sense, doesn¹t it? You
> would be related to me in Nova Roma if you cognomen were Scholasticus, but
> having the male version of the same praenomen doesn¹t carry that implication.
> You just got the same initials I did, plus the same praenomen and nomen in a
> different gender. In any case, my name was slightly different when I arrived
> here, but under the influence of certain nomenclature specialists, including
> our senior, world-class Latinist, I changed it to something more authentic.
> My original name was perfect Latin, but not quite according to the rules in
> effect at present. Even so, I was ATS first...
>
> If you are remotely interested in meeting me, I usually attend two or
> three reenactment events in the eastern U.S. every year, but will be going
> farther afield this year, D.V. , and must conserve for that. One of the other
> classicists is also a reenactor (midwest, I believe). Despite the lack of
> them in my area, some classicists actually do participate in reenactment, and
> a fair number are citizens of NR.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I, Flavius Galerius Aurelianus also know as Patrick Dennis Owen, do
hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act
always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova
Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Flavius Galerius Aurelianus, swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Flavius Galerius Aurelianus, swear to uphold and defend the Religio
Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Flavius Galerius Aurelianus, swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Flavius Galerius Aurelianus, further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Propraetor America
Austrorientalis to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of
Iuppiter Omnia Maximus, Ceres Mater, Apollo, Dea Minerva, Vesta Mater
and the Dii Immortales of the Roman people and by their will and
favor, do I accept the position of Propraetor America Austrorientalis
and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities
attendant thereto.

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F. Galerius Aurelianus to his cousin Tb. Galerius Paulinus. Salve.

Congratulations on your appointment as Propraetor Mediatlantica. We
should plan an interprovincial gathering soon. Be well and may Dii
Immortales grant you all that is just, appropriate, and auspicious.

Vadite in pace Cereris.

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Seems like a good day for Gens Galeria!

Congratulations to you both.

Valete:

Modianus

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> F. Galerius Aurelianus to his cousin Tb. Galerius Paulinus. Salve.
>
> Congratulations on your appointment as Propraetor Mediatlantica. We
> should plan an interprovincial gathering soon. Be well and may Dii
> Immortales grant you all that is just, appropriate, and auspicious.
>
> Vadite in pace Cereris.
>
>
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Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

There are several reasons why the Senate and the majority of our magistrates
are concerned about Appius Claudius Priscus. This is being addressed in the
senate.

One reason is his link to a Neo-Nazi organization and involvement in racist
propoganda, all of which is well documented and not denied by Priscus.

Another reason is his contacting the government of the United States to
promote a scheme that would, as he advocates, give Nova Roma a geographical
boundary in modern day Iraq. Priscus is not authorized by the senate to
contact any macronational government on behalf of Nova Roma or Nova Roma
Inc.

His status as a known racist, and as a Nazi (in the very least affiliated
with them), AND ESPECIALLY the fact that he has contacted the US government
about his plan to establish a Nova Roma state on Iraqi land has raised the
attention of the Senate of Nova Roma. This is the reason why he is
considered a threat to Nova Roma.

We are not dealing with some kid with strange ideas. We are dealing with a
highly educated individual well adept in propoganda. It is my belief, and
the belief of several other magistrates and senators that this man is a
threat to the well being of Nova Roma.

As I mentioned before, the matter is being addressed by the Senate.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul

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> being", would like to know why Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Consul and some
> other authorities in Nova Roma have arrived to that judgement.
>
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Oath of Office of Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as Praetor of Mediatlantica Provincia

I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus ( Timothy Paul Gallagher) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor of Mediatlantica Provincia to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Praetor of Mediatlantica Provincia and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Done on Dies PRID. NON IVN. MMDCCLIX A. V. C. in the Consulship of G. Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia Strabo
(4th day of June 2759 )










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Salve Praetor F. Galerius Aurelianus

Congratulations on your appointment as Praetor as well.
All the best and yes a joint event soon.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Praetor of Mediatlantica

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F. Galerius Aurelianus to his cousin Tb. Galerius Paulinus. Salve.

Congratulations on your appointment as Propraetor Mediatlantica. We
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Salve Consul Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

Thank you and thank you for your vote in the Senate.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Congratulations to Tb. Galerius Paulinus


Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Seems like a good day for Gens Galeria!

Congratulations to you both.

Valete:

Modianus

On 6/4/06, Patrick D. Owen <Patrick.Owen@...<mailto:Patrick.Owen@...>> wrote:
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> F. Galerius Aurelianus to his cousin Tb. Galerius Paulinus. Salve.
>
> Congratulations on your appointment as Propraetor Mediatlantica. We
> should plan an interprovincial gathering soon. Be well and may Dii
> Immortales grant you all that is just, appropriate, and auspicious.
>
> Vadite in pace Cereris.
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<Seems like a good day for Gens Galeria!
It sure is!!

A huge congratulalations to two of Nova Roma's finest: F. Galerius Aurelianus and Tiberius Galerius
Paulinus. The best of luck to you both in your new offices!

Vale,
Diana Octavia

CONVENING OF THE SENATE – June 4, 2006 (2759)

The Senate is called to order June 4, 2006 (2759) by
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, Consul, Pontifex, Augur
The auspices being favorable the Senate is hereby called into
session to consider the following matter:

APPIUS CLAUDIUS PRISCUS.The order shall commence as follows:

Intention period from the time of this message to last 24 hours, and
at this time the tribunes can issue intercession if they feel it
necessary.

On June 4th [10:35 AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time] the Contio period
shall commence and shall last for 96 hours (4 days) until June 8th
[10:35 AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time].

On June 8th [10:35 AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time] voting shall commence
and shall last 48 hours (2 days) and shall end on June 10th [10:35
AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time].

This senate session will Address one issue only: Appius Claudius
Priscus.

Senatus Consultum Ultimum

The Senate of Nova Roma issues a Senatus Consultum Ultimum, and
invests in the Consuls of Nova Roma the authority to temporarily
suspend the Constitution of Nova Roma in order to expel citizen
Appius Claudius Priscus from citizenship (ie., membership) within
Nova Roma. This Senatus Consultum Ultimum grants this authority to
the Consuls only to address the status of citizen Appius Claudius
Priscus and for no other purpose. The Senate authorizes the Consuls
to expel Appius Claudius Priscus from Nova Roma and authorizes no
other action against Appius Claudius Priscus. Once this action
occurs the authority invested in the Consuls shall cease.


Respectfully,

QVINTVS SVETOVIUS PAVLINVS

TRIBVNVS PLEBIS

Salve.

I would recommend people to be more mindful of the present, such as
in noting the source of the text to which you link:

"Source.

John Chrysostom: Eight Homilies Against the Jews [Adversus Judeaus],
Patrologia Greaca, Vol 98

This translation, here cleaned up for typos, etc, was on an anti-
Semitic website [as a justification for current anti-Semitism]. So
far I have been unable to track down the translator."

Ever since Paul Halsall's arrest for cocaine distribution and
subsequent suspension, (see
http://ancienthistory.about.com/b/a/189958.htm )the material at that
website has been changed noticably to support modern agendas largely
unknown in the ancient world.

Vale,

L. Fidelius Graecus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete:
>
> Here is an interesting link about John Chrysostom:
>
> http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/chrysostom-jews6.html
>
> I think it is good that people read this material and be mindful of

the

> past.
>
> Valete;
>
> Modianus
>
>
> On 5/29/06, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
> >
> > M. Hortensia A. Sempronio Regulo;
> > I appreciate your informative post & I did not know
> > this about Byzantium, at the same time this was the depressing

start

> > of Official State Christianity's battle against the Jews and

Pagans.

> > Just read St. John Chrysostom if you wish to be depressed.
> > bene vale in pacem deorum
> > Marca Hortensia Maior
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I wrote:

>> A. Tullius Severus
>>
>> ...who, as it happens, has never met
>> and is not [in the real world] related
>> to A. Tullia Scholastica %^)

To which Scholastica graciously replied, in part:

>>
>> not sure of the meaning of that emotikon thingie...

Tilt your head to the left...it's a grin.

>> We are, however, in the same academic field

Actually, I'm flattered, but that's not the case. I'm
a pharmacist in Rhode Island, and a (primarily medieval)
re-enactor who counts among his hobbies the translating
of Latin texts (mostly medieval ceremonials, manorial court records,
and the odd Elizabethan board-game treatise).

>> most of whose members, along with
>> many others, are in the sodalitas Latinitatis.

Which I have to get around to joining....

Thanks again for your reply.

A. Tullius Severus

Ave Cousin Tiberius Galerius Paulinus,A hearty congradulations to you on your recent appointment.Our Dear Mater I am sure is very proud of you as is the rest of our Gens.May the Gods and Goddesses of Rome protect you and guide you in your new undertaking.I know you shall serve all the citizens of our great Nation to the ultimate benefit of all.Vale,Appius Galerius Aurelianus.Semper Fidelis!

Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote: Oath of Office of Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as Praetor of Mediatlantica Provincia

I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus ( Timothy Paul Gallagher) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor of Mediatlantica Provincia to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Praetor of Mediatlantica Provincia and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Done on Dies PRID. NON IVN. MMDCCLIX A. V. C. in the Consulship of G. Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia Minucia Strabo
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C. Equitius Cato Ti. Galerio Paulino sal.

Salve praetor!

And may I offer you my heartiest congratulations on your appointment
as Governor! Woot!

Vale optime,

Cato

Salvete omnes!

"Capital proceedings are those where the penalty is death or exile,..."

- The Digest of Justinian, T. Mommsen et al, ed, Book 48, 1:2.

"If a charge is to be brought against anyone, the charge must first be
signed."

- Digest, Bk. 48, 2:7

Consul Modianus has said that I am a "danger" because I have not
denied to him that I (am?/was?/know?) something called a "neo-Nazi".
Let him, or anyone, accuse me of something that is a capital crime,
and sign it. Let there be a trial with a judge, a jury, and a defense
lawyer like Cicero.

Mommsen's History of Rome says loss of citizenship included exile;
loss of citizenship without exile was impossible. The bill before the
Senate even calls it expulsion. So, it is exile, and this is a
capital proceeding.

The greatest danger to Rome, is not the opinions of Appius Claudius
Priscus, assiduus & plebeian citizen. The greatest danger to Rome, is
that Rome, by repudiating rule of law even once, in a capital
proceeding, will forever disqualify itself from being taken seriously
as a real state.

"To call another man to account for his conduct is to impose upon
ourselves the necessity of integrity, of self-restraint, of all the
virtues, especially if, as I have said, our action is due to no motive
other than the public advantage."

- Cicero, 2nd Speech Against Verres, Bk. 3, I.1, Greenwood translation.

Valete,
Appius Claudius Priscus

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est pridie Nonas Iunius; haec dies comitialis est.

"The rest of the Circus is protected by Hercules the Guardian,
The god holds the office due to the Sibylline oracle.
The day before the Nones is when he takes up office:
If you ask about the inscription, Sulla approved the work." - Ovid,
Fasti VI

Today is held in honor of Hercules (known to the Greeks as Herakles).
There are many wonderful stories about Hercules which have nothing to
do with the famous Twelve Labors, among them:

Hesione was the daughter of King Laomedon of Troy. Hercules met
Hesione after his year of enslavement to Omphale, when he set out for
Troy. Hercules found Troy in a state of crisis, as King Laomedon had
cheated Poseidon and Apollo by failing to pay them for building the
walls. For punishment Poseidon had sent a large sea monster, who would
only be appeased by devouring the princess, Hesione. Hercules sought
to kill the monster and naturally expected a reward, such as
Laomedon's amazing horses. Hercules bravely killed the beast by
allowing himself to be swallowed by the monster, whom he then killed
from the inside. But once a cheat always a cheat: Laomedon skimped on
paying Hercules too. So Hercules raised an army, including such great
men as Telamon, father of Ajax. When his army captured the city,
Hercules gave Hesione in marriage to Telamon (they soon gave birth to
another hero, Teucer). Hesione was given the opportunity to save any
one of her fellow Trojan prisoners: she chose her brother Podarces,
later known as Priam.

After completing his twelve labors, Hercules hit the road, once again.
Somehow or another, Hercules caught wind that Eurytus, the prince of
Oechalia, was offering his beautiful daughter, Iole, as a bride prize
to any man who could best him and his sons in an archery contest. Upon
hearing this, Hercules traveled to Oechalia and competed against
Eurytus and his sons. Legend has it that Eurytus was the man who first
schooled Hercules in the use of the bow. His was a challenge that
pitted student against teacher. It should come as no surprise that
Hercules defeated his fellow contestants with ease. When it came
time, however, for Eurytus to hand over Iole to Hercules, as his
bride, Eurytus refused. In this decision he was supported by all of
his sons except Iphytus. One may wonder why a prince would deny the
strongest man in the world his daughter in marriage. For Eurytus, the
reasoning was simple: he would not allow his beloved daughter to marry
(and eventually have children with) a man who had a history of
murdering his sons in a fit of rage (remember that whole Megara
fiasco?), for fear that the same fate would befall his own
grandchildren. Crestfallen and dismayed, Hercules left Oechalia.
Shortly after Hercules' departure, some mares (or cattle, depending on
the storyteller) were stolen by Autolycus from a local man. Eurytus
instantly thought that Hercules was the culprit. Iphytus, however,
refused to believe that Hercules was the thief and set out to pay him
a visit at Tiryns (another version suggests Iphytus went to Tiryns to
look for the cattle himself). Hercules received Iphytus in good cheer
and the two men passed the time entertaining each other. Unfortunately
for Iphytus, however, during the visit something went awry, and
Hercules, in another fit of madness, hurled Iphytus to his death from
the top of the walls of Tiryns. Following the murder of Iphytus,
Hercules contracted a terrible disease, as a result of his violent
outburst. Hercules then journeyed to the oracle at Delphi, in hopes
that the priestess there would advise him on how to cure himself. But
Hercules was to be disappointed. When he questioned the Pythian
priestess, she was unable to answer him in oracles. Hercules, outraged
at priestesses unwillingness to help, began tearing the temple apart.
When Hercules came upon the Delphic tripod, he started to make off
with it, thinking that he would establish an oracle of his own.
Apollo, however, was not about to let Hercules carry off the prized
tripod from his sacred site. He began to wrestle with Hercules over
its possession; Apollo was supported by his sister, Artemis, while
Hercules was supported by his patron, Athena. In the midst of their
tug-of-war contest, Zeus dropped in and tried to break up the feuding
brothers (Apollo and Hercules are, after all, half-brothers by Zeus).
And as parents are often forced to do, Zeus decided that it would be
best to separate the brothers, hurling one of his mighty thunderbolts
between them. After the two siblings were pried apart, Hercules
finally received an oracle, instructing him to be sold into slavery
for a year, and to pay Eurytus in compensation for the loss of his
son. The tripod remained at Delphi and Hermes sold Hercules to
Omphale, Queen of Lydia, for whom he performed women's work for his
year of servitude.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, The Perseus Project (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/copyright.html)

M. Hortensia L. Fidelio spd;
but I hope you are not going to dispute the anti-semitism &
anti-pagan agenda of the Byzantine Empire. Paul Halsall did not
write John Chrysostom's sermons nor pass legislation that was
intolerant of Jews and Pagans.
vale
M. Hortensia Maior

> Ever since Paul Halsall's arrest for cocaine distribution and
> subsequent suspension, (see
> http://ancienthistory.about.com/b/a/189958.htm )the material at

that

> website has been changed noticably to support modern agendas

largely

> unknown in the ancient world.
>
> Vale,
>
> L. Fidelius Graecus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
> <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete:
> >
> > Here is an interesting link about John Chrysostom:
> >
> > http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/chrysostom-jews6.html
> >
> > I think it is good that people read this material and be mindful

of

> the
> > past.
> >
> > Valete;
> >
> > Modianus
> >
> >
> > On 5/29/06, Maior <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > M. Hortensia A. Sempronio Regulo;
> > > I appreciate your informative post & I did not

know

> > > this about Byzantium, at the same time this was the depressing
> start
> > > of Official State Christianity's battle against the Jews and
> Pagans.
> > > Just read St. John Chrysostom if you wish to be depressed.
> > > bene vale in pacem deorum
> > > Marca Hortensia Maior
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Appio Claudio Prisco salutem dicit

You speak as if you consider the label of neo-Nazi a badge of honor. It is
not. It is a disgusting and despicable ideology. As was reported by one of
the Tribunes I have convened the Senate of Nova Roma to issue a Senatus
Consultum Ultimum investing both Consuls with the authority to expel you
from Nova Roma.

If the senate of Nova Roma deems it necessary to collectively reject my
proposed Senatus Consultum Ultimum then I will use other methods, according
to Nova Roma law, to see you expelled from Nova Roma.

I am not going to make our private e-mails public, but since the Praetor
Paulinus has obviously approved your post to our forum then by all means let
the people of Nova Roma know your beliefs on race, women, establishment of a
Nova Roma state (and who will populate said state), etc... Share with the
people how you have attempted to speak on behalf of Nova Roma to those
outside of Nova Roma.

Appius Claudius Priscus you are a danger to Nova Roma. Your extremist views
are incompatible with the vision of Nova Roma. I suggested to you in
private, that you chose to make public, the option of respectfully resigning
your citizenship to ensure public concordia. You rejected this suggestion
prefering to take the matter public. I have faith in the the citizens of
Nova Roma that they will not openly embrace a Nazi rendering of our Beloved
Rome.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul

On 6/4/06, appiusclaudiuspriscus <appiusclaudiuspriscus@...> wrote:
[snip]

Consul Modianus has said that I am a "danger" because I have not
> denied to him that I (am?/was?/know?) something called a "neo-Nazi".
> Let him, or anyone, accuse me of something that is a capital crime,
> and sign it. Let there be a trial with a judge, a jury, and a defense
> lawyer like Cicero.


[snip]

Valete,
> Appius Claudius Priscus


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In a message dated 6/4/2006 5:41:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
appiusclaudiuspriscus@... writes:

Consul Modianus has said that I am a "danger" because I have not
denied to him that I (am?/was?/know?) something called a "neo-Nazi".
Let him, or anyone, accuse me of something that is a capital crime,
and sign it. Let there be a trial with a judge, a jury, and a defense
lawyer like Cicero.

Mommsen's History of Rome says loss of citizenship included exile;
loss of citizenship without exile was impossible. The bill before the
Senate even calls it expulsion. So, it is exile, and this is a
capital proceeding.

The greatest danger to Rome, is not the opinions of Appius Claudius
Priscus, assiduus & plebeian citizen. The greatest danger to Rome, is
that Rome, by repudiating rule of law even once, in a capital
proceeding, will forever disqualify itself from being taken seriously
as a real state.

"To call another man to account for his conduct is to impose upon
ourselves the necessity of integrity, of self-restraint, of all the
virtues, especially if, as I have said, our action is due to no motive
other than the public advantage."

- Cicero, 2nd Speech Against Verres, Bk. 3, I.1, Greenwood translation.

Valete,
Appius Claudius Priscus






Oh please... Cut the crap. You acted as a disruptive force in dealing with
the federal government with an un authorized offer in NOVA ROMA INC. BoD
names. Personally I don't care about your beliefs; you are in the USA so believe
what you want. My mother's side of the family were all in the Party in the
30s and 40s. So that doesn't cut any ice with me. But by hurting our
business with your unauthorized offer in our name means you have overstepped the
authority which you agreed to when you joined us. Since none of the board of
directors of ever approved of your offer, you did it illegally. So that's it
cut and dried. I'm willing to refund your dues out of my own pocket, since
you joined under a misunderstanding of what Nova Roma INC is all about. You
just go your way, and we will go ours

Stephen Phenow
Member Board of Directors
NOVA ROMA INC.




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Salve Claudi Prisce,

>Consul Modianus has said that I am a "danger" because I have not
>denied to him that I (am?/was?/know?) something called a "neo-Nazi".

So are you a neo-Nazi? Were you one? You have not said. And did you contact the U.S. government on behalf of Nova Roma?

Vale,
Artoria



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F. Galerius Aurelianus Appio Claudio Prisco Salve.

I have tried to reach you via your yahoo address but have been unsuccessful.
I have some questions for you concerning some of the points that have been
raised about you. I would appreciate it if you would email me at
_padruigtheuncle@..._ (mailto:padruigtheuncle@...) . This is not an official
request in any of my capacities in Nova Roma and is purely private. I hope to
be hearing from you.


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M. Hortensia App. Claudio Prisco Aureliano spd;
no, the discussion with Priscus should be kept to the
Mainlist.
Prisce, I'd be highly interested in your opinions.
Marca Hortensia Maior, Judaea

> F. Galerius Aurelianus Appio Claudio Prisco Salve.
>
> I have tried to reach you via your yahoo address but have been

unsuccessful.

> I have some questions for you concerning some of the points that

have been

> raised about you. I would appreciate it if you would email me at
> _padruigtheuncle@..._ (mailto:padruigtheuncle@...) . This is not

an official

> request in any of my capacities in Nova Roma and is purely

private. I hope to

> be hearing from you.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete omnes.

The use of the Senatus consultum ultimum is a serious matter. Used
in this case it authorizes the Consuls to expel a citizen,
notwithstanding the Constitution and the rights it grants to someone
facing such a fate to have the matter placed before the people.

The use of the Senatus consultum ultimum provides our Senate with
the means to deal with an imminent danger to Nova Roma where the
normal processes of law are insufficient to deal with that threat.
The only alternative is to appoint a dictator and where there is
only an imminent danger rather than an imminent catastrophe, the
Senatus consultum ultimum is the preferred choice.

The continued presence of Appius Claudius Priscus as a citizen of
Nova Roma constitutes a threat to Nova Roma sufficient to justify
the passing of the Senatus consultum ultimum, only if the normal
process of expulsion is too lengthy to deal with this matter without
risking that survival.

Inevitably, this must hinge on what the consequences of the
suggestion he allegedly made to the US government are to Nova Roma.
Is our incorporated status under imminent threat? Will Nova Roma be
classed as a subversive organization unless he is expelled forthwith
under the terms of the Senatus consultum ultimum?

Any macronational political views a citizen holds, however odious
they may be to people, are only of consequence when considering
whether to implement the Senatus consultum ultimum if,

1. That citizen espouses them within Nova Roma's official lists and
thereby causes a breakdown of the public peace, to such a degree
that the cohesive nature of our community comes under threat.
2. Espousing them is a macronational criminal offence.
3. Such views are a threat to the national security of the USA.

Equally a citizen's membership of, or close association with, a
political party or group is only of consequence if,

1. Knowledge of that membership causes a breakdown of the public
peace, to such a degree that the cohesive nature of our community
comes under threat.
2. Membership or association is a macronational criminal offence.
3. Such a party or group is classed as a threat to the national
security of the USA.

The laws of the USA and its national security have to be paramount
in this case as our incorporated status is subject to those laws, as
are its citizens who are also members of Nova Roma, which constitute
a large number.

If the danger to Nova Roma is not imminent then the normal
provisions of the Constitution concerning expulsion can deal quite
adequately with such a matter. Clearly, it will be the
responsibility of the sponsors of this motion before the Senate to
make the case for the existence of that imminent danger. If not and
the Senatus consultum ultimum passes regardless, then we will be
expelling this man as punishment for his views. In this case, I
doubt anyone would shed any tears over his departure, since such
views he allegedly holds are so clearly beyond the pail for probably
everyone else in Nova Roma. The easiest course of action would be to
heave him through the doors of Nova Roma on the end of a consular
boot.

The easy way however is not always the right way, and however much
support there maybe in this case for immediate action, if there is
no imminent danger should not the normal processes be followed?
Macronationally the easiest course of action when the Nazis were
captured at the end of WWII would have been to summarily execute the
lot of them, but it was judged necessary to accord them the very
rights and privileges of trial and justice that they had denied to
others. Since that time the world has seen fit to arraign all sorts
of disgusting despots and war criminals, expending vast amounts of
time and money on their trials. We see such a trial in Iraq now.
None of this is easy, but unquestionably it is right thing to do,
for to take the easy course and expend only the cost of one bullet
would be to further erode the value of law.

If the world we live in accords such rights to the very worst of
humanity, then should we not accord the normal rights of trial to a
citizen, regardless of any views he may or may not hold if the
danger has past, the damage already done? Should the normal
processes of our laws not take their course? If we really are a
community of decent people we will deliver the right verdict if
whoever prosecutes this man makes their case under the laws of Nova
Roma.

However much we may hold a person and/or their views in disgust we
diminish our own rights each time that we rush to do what we believe
everyone will support, for the sake of expediency. If the danger
exists now, and is clear and irrefutable, then I hope the Senatus
consultum ultimum passes to preserve Nova Roma Inc. and thus the Res
Publica. If the danger does not exist then, however tedious and
inconvenient it maybe, he should face trial according to the law.

As a note to Appius Claudius Priscus, don't even bother to write to
ask me to consider acting as your advocate based on what I have
written here. My objective is to support the due process of our
laws, but my hope is that if the allegations were proven in a trial
you be heaved as far as possible out of our gates. Modianus Consul
has made a compelling case for ejecting you from Nova Roma, and if a
trial were to take place I would listen to what you had to say, but
nothing short of a complete denial with substantial factual proof to
support that denial would alter my intention to vote for your
expulsion. You would have the very opportunity to defend yourself
that your alleged ideology would deny to others.

Now we have to trust the Senate to make the right decision, whatever
that maybe, armed as they are with the facts of the case and the
laws of Nova Roma and the mos maiorum of antiquity.

Valete
Cn. Iulius Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Appio Claudio Prisco salutem dicit
>
> You speak as if you consider the label of neo-Nazi a badge of

honor. It is

> not. It is a disgusting and despicable ideology. As was reported

by one of

> the Tribunes I have convened the Senate of Nova Roma to issue a

Senatus

> Consultum Ultimum investing both Consuls with the authority to

expel you

> from Nova Roma.

Salvete all,

I've spoken to both Appius Claudius and Consul Modianus offlist during the last two days. Since I
was wrongfully accused of being a fascist in 1999 and a witch-hunt was launched against me, I wanted
to make sure that this person was not being wrongfully accused. For your info, the people who
accused me have long since apologized and two weeks ago I had a great time chatting with one of the
them about many things, including Nova Roma. In fact, it was the best conversation that I had all
day.

Appius Claudius is not being wrongfully accused. I respect him for being so open about his beliefs,
even though I don't agree with most of it.

NR has citizens from around the world: different colours, religions and nationalities. This is how
we want it because this is what Ancient Rome was all about. Some of Appius's posts were purely
macro-politics and have no place here. Honestly, I don't know why Appius Claudius wants to stay a
citizen in the first place.

While I've disagreed with Consul Modianus in the past, but this time I agree. His job here is to
defend Nova Roma and this is what he is doing. His hand was forced by Appius Claudius when he
represented NR to the US govenment. The Senate/BoD would get pissed off if anyone did that, let
alone someone who is known for his extreme-right politics. Modianus really has no other choice but
to act.

All I can say is that I'm glad this didn't happen when I was a Tribune and I don't envy the position
of our Consul Modianus....
Valete
Diana Octavia

Salve Romans

FYI

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Robert Ballard will be looking for evidence of the Minoans off
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http://tinyurl.com/qswk4<about:blank> (Reuters via Yahoo)

Hope we get a photo of this one soon ... a newly-discovered
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/story/0,,1789630,00.html<about:blank>

A Roman villa found near Cheddar:

http://tinyurl.com/mq8qs<about:blank> (Mercury)

I think we've mentioned the threat to these Southwark Roman
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http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1786849,00.html<about:blank>

Tons of coverage of the (re)examination of the Derveni Papyrus:

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http://www.theeagle.com/stories/060306/faith_20060603021.php<about:blank>
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On Roman wine:

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Restoration of the catacombs at Mylos has been delayed (again):

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The Star-Ledger has a nice profile of rising Classics star
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Photos of images of ancient Rome in a major sandcastle
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.. the story:

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Review of a collection of Housman letters:

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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Nonis Iuniis; haec dies nefastus est.

"I asked whether I should assign the Nones to Sancus,
Or Fidius, or you Father Semo: Sancus answered me:
`Whichever you assign it to, the honour's mine:
I bear all three names: so Cures willed it.'
The Sabines of old granted him a shrine accordingly,
And established it on the Quirinal Hill." - Ovid, Fasti VI


"The same thing the more ancient name of Jupiter shows even better,
for of old He was called Diovis and Diespater; that is, dies pater
(Day Father), from whence sub divo (under the sky) and Dius Fidius
(God of Good Faith) is derived. Thus from this reason the roof of His
temple is pierced with a hole, that in this way the divum, which is
the caelum (sky), may be seen. Some say that it is improper to take an
oath by His name when you are under a roof. Aelius (Stilo) said that
Dius Fidius was a son of Diovis, just as the Greeks call Castor
Dioskoron (Son of Zeus), and he thought that He was Sancus in the
Sabine tongue and Hercules in Greek." - Varro, de Lingua Latina V.66

Semo Sancus was served by the company of priests called the Bidental.
He was likely a pre-Roman sky god. His name as Dius Fidius was used as
an oath, the oath being taken in the unroofed compluvium of a house,
under the open sky, and the god's temple had a hole in the roof open
to the sky also. Fidius is therefore connected to Jupiter. As the god
of oaths, he protected the sanctity of the marriage tie, the rights of
hospitality, international treaties and alliances.

This Sabine cult is said to have been introduced into Rome by Titus
Tatius, but the construction of the temple is generally ascribed to
the last Tarquin, although it was dedicated by Sp. Postumius many
years later, 5th June, 466 BC It contained a bronze statue of
Tanaquil, her distaff and spindle, and a wooden shield covered with
ox-hide, which was a memorial of the league between Rome and Gabii,
and, after the destruction of Privernum in 329 BC, bronze wheels made
of the proceeds of the confiscated property of Vitruvius.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Varro, Smith's Dictionary

M Moravius Piscinus Tr. Pl. Senatoribus et Quiritibus S. P. D.

Tribunus Plebis Gnaeus Astur has issued an intercessio on behalf of
Appius Claudius Priscus. The matter of concern does not involve the
personal views of Civis Claudius, nor his association with any other
organization, but rather with actions he has taken on behalf of Nova
Roma in defiance of instruction he received from a Fetial and member
of a Consul's staff. Both Consules and both Praetores joined
together to bring the request for a senatusconsultus ultimun before
the Senate. The Senate was to determine whether or not the actions
taken by Civis Claudius posed such a threat to Nova Roma, Inc. and
its members as to warrant immediate action be taken under an SCU.

At this time I am forwarding the intercessio of Tribunus Astur to
the Nova Roma main list solely for informational purposes. I will
weigh the issues before determining whether to join with or oppose
my colleagues' intercessio.

Q. B. F. Q. sit



CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·SENATORIBVS·CIVIBVSQVE·S·P·D

S·V·B·E·E·V

I, Gnaeus Salvius Astur, as tribunus plebis of Nova Roma, hereby
issue
INTERCESSIO against the following Senate agenda:

> CONVENING OF THE SENATE – June 4, 2006 (2759)
>
> The Senate is called to order June 4, 2006 (2759) by
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, Consul, Pontifex, Augur
> The auspices being favorable the Senate is hereby called into
> session to consider the following matter:
>
> APPIUS CLAUDIUS PRISCUS.The order shall commence as follows:
>
> Intention period from the time of this message to last 24 hours,

and

> at this time the tribunes can issue intercession if they feel it
> necessary.
>
> On June 4th [10:35 AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time] the Contio period
> shall commence and shall last for 96 hours (4 days) until June 8th
> [10:35 AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time].
>
> On June 8th [10:35 AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time] voting shall commence
> and shall last 48 hours (2 days) and shall end on June 10th [10:35
> AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time].
>
> This senate session will Address one issue only: Appius Claudius
> Priscus.
>
> Senatus Consultum Ultimum
>
> The Senate of Nova Roma issues a Senatus Consultum Ultimum, and
> invests in the Consuls of Nova Roma the authority to temporarily
> suspend the Constitution of Nova Roma in order to expel citizen
> Appius Claudius Priscus from citizenship (ie., membership) within
> Nova Roma. This Senatus Consultum Ultimum grants this authority to
> the Consuls only to address the status of citizen Appius Claudius
> Priscus and for no other purpose. The Senate authorizes the

Consuls

> to expel Appius Claudius Priscus from Nova Roma and authorizes no
> other action against Appius Claudius Priscus. Once this action
> occurs the authority invested in the Consuls shall cease.

My reasoning is that a Senatus Consultum Ultimum is neither necessary
not desirable in this case, and that this proposal vulnerates the
rights of the citizenry to a fair trial, according to our own laws.

Nobody should be thrown out without being condemned by a Nova Roma
tribunal. We have laws, and we have to abide to them.

CVRATE·VT·VALEATIS

CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT

C. Equitius Cato M. Moravio Piscino Cn. Salvio Asturi sal.

Salvete, tribunes.

I'm confused - why was this not issued in the Forum to begin with?
When would we have heard about it otherwise?

Valete bene,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...> wrote:
>
> M Moravius Piscinus Tr. Pl. Senatoribus et Quiritibus S. P. D.
>
> Tribunus Plebis Gnaeus Astur has issued an intercessio on behalf of
> Appius Claudius Priscus. The matter of concern does not involve the
> personal views of Civis Claudius, nor his association with any other
> organization, but rather with actions he has taken on behalf of Nova
> Roma in defiance of instruction he received from a Fetial and member
> of a Consul's staff. Both Consules and both Praetores joined
> together to bring the request for a senatusconsultus ultimun before
> the Senate. The Senate was to determine whether or not the actions
> taken by Civis Claudius posed such a threat to Nova Roma, Inc. and
> its members as to warrant immediate action be taken under an SCU.
>
> At this time I am forwarding the intercessio of Tribunus Astur to
> the Nova Roma main list solely for informational purposes. I will
> weigh the issues before determining whether to join with or oppose
> my colleagues' intercessio.
>
> Q. B. F. Q. sit
>
>
>
> CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·SENATORIBVS·CIVIBVSQVE·S·P·D
>
> S·V·B·E·E·V
>
> I, Gnaeus Salvius Astur, as tribunus plebis of Nova Roma, hereby
> issue
> INTERCESSIO against the following Senate agenda:
>
> > CONVENING OF THE SENATE – June 4, 2006 (2759)
> >
> > The Senate is called to order June 4, 2006 (2759) by
> > Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, Consul, Pontifex, Augur
> > The auspices being favorable the Senate is hereby called into
> > session to consider the following matter:
> >
> > APPIUS CLAUDIUS PRISCUS.The order shall commence as follows:
> >
> > Intention period from the time of this message to last 24 hours,
> and
> > at this time the tribunes can issue intercession if they feel it
> > necessary.
> >
> > On June 4th [10:35 AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time] the Contio period
> > shall commence and shall last for 96 hours (4 days) until June 8th
> > [10:35 AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time].
> >
> > On June 8th [10:35 AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time] voting shall commence
> > and shall last 48 hours (2 days) and shall end on June 10th [10:35
> > AM EST/4:35 PM Roman Time].
> >
> > This senate session will Address one issue only: Appius Claudius
> > Priscus.
> >
> > Senatus Consultum Ultimum
> >
> > The Senate of Nova Roma issues a Senatus Consultum Ultimum, and
> > invests in the Consuls of Nova Roma the authority to temporarily
> > suspend the Constitution of Nova Roma in order to expel citizen
> > Appius Claudius Priscus from citizenship (ie., membership) within
> > Nova Roma. This Senatus Consultum Ultimum grants this authority to
> > the Consuls only to address the status of citizen Appius Claudius
> > Priscus and for no other purpose. The Senate authorizes the
> Consuls
> > to expel Appius Claudius Priscus from Nova Roma and authorizes no
> > other action against Appius Claudius Priscus. Once this action
> > occurs the authority invested in the Consuls shall cease.
>
> My reasoning is that a Senatus Consultum Ultimum is neither necessary
> not desirable in this case, and that this proposal vulnerates the
> rights of the citizenry to a fair trial, according to our own laws.
>
> Nobody should be thrown out without being condemned by a Nova Roma
> tribunal. We have laws, and we have to abide to them.
>
> CVRATE·VT·VALEATIS
>
> CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT
>

It was posted to the Nova Roma Announce list.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 6/5/06, gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> C. Equitius Cato M. Moravio Piscino Cn. Salvio Asturi sal.
>
> Salvete, tribunes.
>
> I'm confused - why was this not issued in the Forum to begin with?
> When would we have heard about it otherwise?
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato


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Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Citizens of Nova Roma:

A few days ago, as I have illustrated and as was reported by one of the
Tribunes, I convened the Senate of Nova Roma to issue a Senatus Consultum
Ultimum giving both Consuls the authority to expel Appius Claudius Priscus
from Nova Roma. The grounds being not only his association with neo-Nazi
and racists organizations but also because he has contacted macronational
authorities, namely the USA, to attempt to gain a grant to establish Nova
Roma as an "independant" country in modern day Iraq/Iran. He was advised
that Nova Roma was not interested in his scheme, and also told not to
contact US government officials in the name of Nova Roma.

The Senate of Nova Roma has discussed the best course of action. Several
senators feel that a Senatus Consultum Ultimum is unnecessary. Tribune Gn.
Salvius Astur issued an intercessio against my proposed Senatus Consultum
Ultimum. According to a Senatus Consultum indicating senate proceedures
Tribunes have 24 hours in which to veto a proposed senate session. Astur's
veto was not issued within this 24 hour period. However, I do not wish for
the senate to become divided over issues of proceedure.

The real issue is whether or not Appius Claudius Priscus is a danger to Nova
Roma. I believe he is, and in order to keep the focus on the issue at hand
I have withdrawn the Senatus Consultum Ultimum.

After issuing his intercessio Tribune Gn. Salvius Astur submitted a Petitio
Actionis against Appius Claudius Priscus and as Consul I have accepted the
Petitio and will hear the case myself.

Appius Claudius Priscus will have his trial.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul


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Pompeia Minucia Strabo Quiritibus Novae Romae S.P.D.

I am going to get something off my chest...regardless of the outcome of the current situation. I take issue with the timing and therefore the legality of this recent Tribune intercessio, I'm afraid. In view of the fact that there are those who think an Senatus Consultum Ultimum, although legal, is 'overkill' in this situation, or sets a dangerous precedent, I think the unaddressed ill-timing of an intercessio sets more of a dangerous precedent, as intercessios occur more frequently than SCU. Intercessions have to be lawful also, no?




I can see where this could create confusion, but I believe the Tribunes have 24 hours to veto ( not 72) a Senate call.

See the link please here:


http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2003-11-11-i.html

The constitution states that the Senate may pass consultum to determine its own internal procedures, and that these particular consulta cannot be overridden by the laws of comitia. The above link displays the prevailing document.

And this link directly below is to the constitution...see 'Senate' section...by which these types of consulta are so protected.

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html

The Lex Labiena de Intercessio with its 72 hours can only apply to comitia procedures.. As pointed out,it cannot override a Senatus Consultum on the Senate's internal procedures. Here is this law:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-02-26-i.html

Moreover, the process for intercollegial handling of Tribune intercessio is in the constitution also.... but there is no time limit assigned to this process at all; such is detailed in subordinate legislation.... for the comitia, 72 hours (lex Labienia), the Senate Calls, 24 hours from the time of issuance of the Senate call (Senatus Consultum on Senate procedures...again see the first link above) and you can see again in the constitution the language of Tribune intercessio process:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html
(in the magistrate's section, listing the duties, authorities, etc)


Mind you I have no problem with the timing of discussion/actions amongst the tribunes AFTER intercessio is INITIALLY pronounced being legally acceptable as 72 hours, as this is the only legal yardstick we seem to have for that....but in speaking of the time frame allotted in a Senatus Call in which to initiate an intercessio, I read it as 24 hours. Again, please see the first link above, for the particular Senatus Consultum

And a careful examination of this consultum seems to define well the 24 hour intention time for intercessio as being from the time of the initial Senate call....not the time it was announced by the Tribune to the populace. In both cases, the recent intercessio is not timely, and as I read things, it is legally inappropriate.



Valete

Pompeia Minucia Strabo
Consul


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Where can I find this story.


appiusclaudiuspriscus <appiusclaudiuspriscus@...> wrote:
Salvete omnes!

While I applaud this victory, nowadays the government's only "God" is "Political Correctness". I was just expelled from Nova Roma for refusing to worship that "God".

Valete,

Appius Claudius Priscus

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Moderator's note:

I have edited Appius Claudius Priscus post to remove communication that was between him and the Censors and Consuls of Nova Roma.

He has NOT been expelled from Nova Roma but he was asked to voluntarily resign to avoid any public discord.

If he wants to explain why he can.

Any expulsions and loss of citizenship from Nova Roma will be conducted according to law.

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Salve Consul

I think we should put off this discussion until the current matter
is settled.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Pompeia Minucia Strabo
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> wrote:

>
> Pompeia Minucia Strabo Quiritibus Novae Romae S.P.D.
>
> I am going to get something off my chest...regardless of the

outcome of the current situation. I take issue with the timing and
therefore the legality of this recent Tribune intercessio, I'm
afraid. In view of the fact that there are those who think an
Senatus Consultum Ultimum, although legal, is 'overkill' in this
situation, or sets a dangerous precedent, I think the unaddressed
ill-timing of an intercessio sets more of a dangerous precedent, as
intercessios occur more frequently than SCU. Intercessions have to
be lawful also, no?

>
>
>
>
> I can see where this could create confusion, but I believe the

Tribunes have 24 hours to veto ( not 72) a Senate call.

>
> See the link please here:
>
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2003-11-11-i.html
>
> The constitution states that the Senate may pass consultum to

determine its own internal procedures, and that these particular
consulta cannot be overridden by the laws of comitia. The above link
displays the prevailing document.

>
> And this link directly below is to the

constitution...see 'Senate' section...by which these types of
consulta are so protected.

>
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html
>
> The Lex Labiena de Intercessio with its 72 hours can only apply

to comitia procedures.. As pointed out,it cannot override a Senatus
Consultum on the Senate's internal procedures. Here is this law:

> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-02-26-i.html
>
> Moreover, the process for intercollegial handling of Tribune

intercessio is in the constitution also.... but there is no time
limit assigned to this process at all; such is detailed in
subordinate legislation.... for the comitia, 72 hours (lex
Labienia), the Senate Calls, 24 hours from the time of issuance of
the Senate call (Senatus Consultum on Senate procedures...again see
the first link above) and you can see again in the constitution the
language of Tribune intercessio process:

> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html
> (in the magistrate's section, listing the duties, authorities,

etc)

>
>
> Mind you I have no problem with the timing of discussion/actions

amongst the tribunes AFTER intercessio is INITIALLY pronounced being
legally acceptable as 72 hours, as this is the only legal yardstick
we seem to have for that....but in speaking of the time frame
allotted in a Senatus Call in which to initiate an intercessio, I
read it as 24 hours. Again, please see the first link above, for the
particular Senatus Consultum

>
> And a careful examination of this consultum seems to define well

the 24 hour intention time for intercessio as being from the time of
the initial Senate call....not the time it was announced by the
Tribune to the populace. In both cases, the recent intercessio is
not timely, and as I read things, it is legally inappropriate.

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Severus Buteone Modiano omnibusque sal.

Plurimas gratias for your explanation, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Consul. I have been reading the postings about Appius Claudius Priscus and I agree without hesitation: he is a danger for Nova Roma. I hope our authorities will proceed as soon as possible to protect our community.

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Your reference to a 24 hour period is to a senatus consultus
concerning internal procedures of the Senate. Such a senatus
consultus does not overrule the Constitution or and leges passed by
a Comitia. Refer to the Constitution I.B:

Legal precedence. This Constitution shall be the highest legal
authority within Nova Roma, apart from edicts issued by a legally
appointed dictator. It shall thereafter be followed in legal
authority by edicta issued by consuls acting under the Senatus
consulta ultima, laws properly voted and passed by one of the
comitia, decreta passed by the collegium pontificum, decreta passed
by the collegium augurum, Senatus consulta, and magisterial edicta
(in order of descending authority as described in section IV of this
Constitution), in that order. Should a lower authority conflict with
a higher authority, the higher authority shall take precedence.

The LEX LABIENA DE INTERCESSIONE II provides that Tribuni Plebis
have upto 72 hours in which to issue an intercessio:

II. A tribunus plebis may use intercessio by making an official
announcement to at least one of Nova Roma's main communications fora
(as defined by the Constitution) within 72 hours of the announcement
of the item or action to be vetoed. The items and actions which
tribuni plebis may use intercessio against are defined in paragraph
IV.A.7.a.1 of the Constitution.


Once an SCU would go into effect, the Constitutions and leges would
be temporarily suspended, and at that point the Tribuni Plebis could
not intevene in any action made by the Consules under an SCU. It
has been expressed to me by Praetor Octavius Pius that once the vote
of the Senate was announced passing an SCU, it would immediately go
into effect. The only time really available, therefore, when a
Tribunus Plebis may intercede in an SCU is when a vote of the Senate
is called. I would find it a very dangerous precedent to set if we
removed this final check on such an extraordinary authority, and I
do not think it would be wise to push the time limit back further,
making it that the Tribuni Plebis would have to intercede before any
Senate deliberations took place.

Tribunus Plebis Salcius Astur was fully within his right to exercise
his constitutional potestes tribunicia as provided under the Lex
Labiena de Intercessione and to ignore any provisions of a senatus
consultus that conflicts with the higher authority of a lex.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Pompeia Minucia Strabo
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> wrote:

>
> Pompeia Minucia Strabo Quiritibus Novae Romae S.P.D.
>
> I am going to get something off my chest...regardless of the

outcome of the current situation. I take issue with the timing and
therefore the legality of this recent Tribune intercessio, I'm
afraid. In view of the fact that there are those who think an
Senatus Consultum Ultimum, although legal, is 'overkill' in this
situation, or sets a dangerous precedent, I think the unaddressed
ill-timing of an intercessio sets more of a dangerous precedent, as
intercessios occur more frequently than SCU. Intercessions have to
be lawful also, no?

>
>
>
>
> I can see where this could create confusion, but I believe the

Tribunes have 24 hours to veto ( not 72) a Senate call.

>
> See the link please here:
>
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2003-11-11-i.html
>
> The constitution states that the Senate may pass consultum to

determine its own internal procedures, and that these particular
consulta cannot be overridden by the laws of comitia. The above link
displays the prevailing document.

>
> And this link directly below is to the

constitution...see 'Senate' section...by which these types of
consulta are so protected.

>
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html
>
> The Lex Labiena de Intercessio with its 72 hours can only apply

to comitia procedures.. As pointed out,it cannot override a Senatus
Consultum on the Senate's internal procedures. Here is this law:

> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-02-26-i.html
>
> Moreover, the process for intercollegial handling of Tribune

intercessio is in the constitution also.... but there is no time
limit assigned to this process at all; such is detailed in
subordinate legislation.... for the comitia, 72 hours (lex
Labienia), the Senate Calls, 24 hours from the time of issuance of
the Senate call (Senatus Consultum on Senate procedures...again see
the first link above) and you can see again in the constitution the
language of Tribune intercessio process:

> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html
> (in the magistrate's section, listing the duties, authorities,

etc)

>
>
> Mind you I have no problem with the timing of discussion/actions

amongst the tribunes AFTER intercessio is INITIALLY pronounced being
legally acceptable as 72 hours, as this is the only legal yardstick
we seem to have for that....but in speaking of the time frame
allotted in a Senatus Call in which to initiate an intercessio, I
read it as 24 hours. Again, please see the first link above, for the
particular Senatus Consultum

>
> And a careful examination of this consultum seems to define well

the 24 hour intention time for intercessio as being from the time of
the initial Senate call....not the time it was announced by the
Tribune to the populace. In both cases, the recent intercessio is
not timely, and as I read things, it is legally inappropriate.

>
>
>
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Salvete omnes,

I am happy the the senate came to a decision to have a trial for
this citizen. It is funny though how history repeats itself. In the
Third Reich many people who disagreed with the state had to eventual
have their day in the People's Court with Judge Roland Fleisher.
Your chances with him were about equal to those of surviving
Caligula in a bad mood with you. He yelled, screamed and belittled
his victims like a hysterical Whirling Dervish but alas he did have
a brilliant mind having graduated cum laude in law. May others were
just quickly processed, condemened without trial and were dispatched
by firing squad, hanging or the German version of the guillotine.
After the war the leadership had their hearings and trials which
they were never willing to give to so many others, Out of the 21 at
Nuremburg, three were even aquitted.

A few years back I joined a yahoo group which studied and debated
the Third Reich. I was thinking it was a forum open to all as
advertised but its owner and moderator turned out to be a NSP
member. From day one he did not like my attitude. All his arguments
regarding the races and especially Jews contained almost all the
fallacies listed in my fundementals of logic text. He made the
mistake of crossing swords with me and saying that I disgusted him
being married to a hispanic. At that point I gave him a terrific
broadside indicating among many things that various Reich memebers
he worshiped were quite happy to lower their elite racial standards
and suck up and marry or take on hispanic mistresses in Latin
America to escape the hangman's noose... I was thrown of the list
quicker than you can say Jack Robinson. There was no hearing, trial
or discussion by that club about my particular fate.

Now I shall not mention the group or the name of that leader. Why?
Like he always said, the Jews control the most of the media and
unfairly quash anyone that is from his group or disagrees, speaking
out against their dreadful conspiracies. Now I spoke up and got
thrown out ie, shut down. This makes me think if he shuts me down
and only the Jews controlling the media do this then who is this guy
working for; the Mossad? Well I best not jeprodize his cover.

Anyway once again I see our system giving an NSP affliliate better
treatment than the opposite way around.


Regards,

QSP