Thanks to all of my friends who have offered their support
of my name change.

It's a bit difficult modifying a name I've used for eight
years - I have to practise saying the new one every day! -
but I think this is for the best, and will reduce confusion
in the long run.

Valete,
M. Octavius Gracchus.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

"What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese

There was a Nova Roma group on MySpace. It disappeared a few
months ago - though it remains in my list of subscribed groups,
I receive "invalid group ID" whenever trying to enter it.
Perhaps its founder left the site.

I've created a new one. The name "NovaRoma" was no longer
available for the URL - probably in use by the previous group -
so I've had to choose another:

http://groups.myspace.com/SPQRNovaRoma

Please join if you're a myspace user and a citizen. The idea
isn't to provide a substitute or divert traffic from the main list,
but rather to increase our visibility - it will show on your profile
there that you're a citizen of Nova Roma, and viewers might be
motivated to join us.

Similarly, I've created a group on the students-only site "Facebook":

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2211669584

(if this doesn't work, try "search groups" for "Nova Roma").

What other widely-used sites have we established a presence on?

Valete,
M. Octavius Gracchus.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

"What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese

Salve,

I think that's a good idea, and I just joined it. my myspace profile is http://myspace.com/ciarin/

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella
http://minucia.ciarin.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Hucke
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 11:17 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] MySpace and other "social networking" sites



There was a Nova Roma group on MySpace. It disappeared a few
months ago - though it remains in my list of subscribed groups,
I receive "invalid group ID" whenever trying to enter it.
Perhaps its founder left the site.

I've created a new one. The name "NovaRoma" was no longer
available for the URL - probably in use by the previous group -
so I've had to choose another:

http://groups.myspace.com/SPQRNovaRoma

Please join if you're a myspace user and a citizen. The idea
isn't to provide a substitute or divert traffic from the main list,
but rather to increase our visibility - it will show on your profile
there that you're a citizen of Nova Roma, and viewers might be
motivated to join us.

Similarly, I've created a group on the students-only site "Facebook":

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2211669584

(if this doesn't work, try "search groups" for "Nova Roma").

What other widely-used sites have we established a presence on?

Valete,
M. Octavius Gracchus.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

"What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese




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Salve,
I believe that this is yet another good way to pursue our exposure.
So I too have signed on board. If it is permissible, I will use that
group on my provincial literature if I am appointed propraetor.
Otherwise I will just use it locally.

M. Pontio Seiano

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Kalendis Octobribus; haec dies nefastus est.

"Come let duteous Rome recognize October's kalends, the birthday of
eloquent Restitutius: with all your tongues, and in all your prayers,
utter well-omed words; we keep a birthday, be still, ye lawsuits!" -
Martial

"Goddess more ancient than Jupiter, virtuous glory of gods and men,
without whom there is no peace on earth, nor on the seas, sister of
Justicia, Fides, silent divinity within the hearts of men and women"
- Silius Italicus, Punica 2.484-87

On this day a procession to the Capitol was led by the three chief
flamines who rode in a covered wagon. With the fingers of their right
hands wrapped with white cloth bands, they sacrificed to the abstract
gods of Faith and Honor. Afterwards was held a feast.


"There happened to be in each of the armies a triplet of brothers,
fairly matched in years and strength. It is generally agreed that they
were called Horatii and Curiatii. Few incidents in antiquity have been
more widely celebrated, yet in spite of its celebrity there is a
discrepancy in the accounts as to which nation each belonged. There
are authorities on both sides, but I find that the majority give the
name of Horatii to the Romans, and my sympathies lead me to follow
them. The kings suggested to them that they should each fight on
behalf of their country, and where victory rested, there should be the
sovereignty. They raised no objection; so the time and place were
fixed. But before they engaged a treaty was concluded between the
Romans and the Albans, providing that the nation whose representatives
proved victorious should receive the peaceable submission of the
other. This is the earliest treaty recorded, and as all treaties,
however different the conditions they contain, are concluded with the
same forms, I will describe the forms with which this one was
concluded as handed down by tradition. The Fetial put the formal
question to Tullus: "Do you, King, order me to make a treaty with the
Pater Patratus of the Alban nation?" On the king replying in the
affirmative, the Fetial said: "I demand of thee, King, some tufts of
grass." The king replied: "Take those that are pure." The Fetial
brought pure grass from the Citadel. Then he asked the king: "Do you
constitute me the plenipotentiary of the People of Rome, the Quirites,
sanctioning also my vessels and comrades?" To which the king replied:
"So far as may be without hurt to myself and the People of Rome, the
Quirites, I do." The Fetial was M. Valerius. He made Spurius Furius
the Pater Patratus by touching his head and hair with the grass. Then
the Pater Patratus, who is constituted for the purpose of giving the
treaty the religious sanction of an oath, did so by a long formula in
verse, which it is not worth while to quote. After reciting the
conditions he said: "Hear, O Jupiter, hear! thou Pater Patratus of the
people of Alba! Hear ye, too, people of Alba! As these conditions have
been publicly rehearsed from first to last, from these tablets, in
perfect good faith, and inasmuch as they have here and now been most
clearly understood, so these conditions the People of Rome will not be
the first to go back from. If they shall, in their national council,
with false and malicious intent be the first to go back, then do thou,
Jupiter, on that day, so smite the People of Rome, even as I here and
now shall smite this swine, and smite them so much the more heavily,
as thou art greater in power and might." With these words he struck
the swine with a flint. In similar wise the Albans recited their oath
and formularies through their own dictator and their priests.

On the conclusion of the treaty the six combatants armed themselves.
They were greeted with shouts of encouragement from their comrades,
who reminded them that their fathers' gods, their fatherland, their
fathers, every fellow-citizen, every fellow-soldier, were now watching
their weapons and the hands that wielded them. Eager for the contest
and inspired by the voices round them, they advanced into the open
space between the opposing lines. The two armies were sitting in front
of their respective camps, relieved from personal danger but not from
anxiety, since upon the fortunes and courage of this little group hung
the issue of dominion. Watchful and nervous, they gaze with feverish
intensity on a spectacle by no means entertaining. The signal was
given, and with uplifted swords the six youths charged like a
battle-line with the courage of a mighty host. Not one of them thought
of his own danger; their sole thought was for their country, whether
it would be supreme or subject, their one anxiety that they were
deciding its future fortunes. When, at the first encounter, the
flashing swords rang on their opponents' shields, a deep shudder ran
through the spectators; then a breathless silence followed, as neither
side seemed to be gaining any advantage. Soon, however, they saw
something more than the swift movements of limbs and the rapid play of
sword and shield: blood became visible flowing from open wounds. Two
of the Romans fell one on the other, breathing out their life, whilst
all the three Albans were wounded. The fall of the Romans was welcomed
with a burst of exultation from the Alban army; whilst the Roman
legions, who had lost all hope, but not all anxiety, trembled for
their solitary champion surrounded by the three Curiatii. It chanced
that he was untouched, and though not a match for the three together,
he was confident of victory against each separately. So, that he might
encounter each singly, he took to flight, assuming that they would
follow as well as their wounds would allow. He had run some distance
from the spot where the combat began, when, on looking back, he saw
them following at long intervals from each other, the foremost not far
from him. He turned and made a desperate attack upon him, and whilst
the Alban army were shouting to the other Curiatii to come to their
brother's assistance, Horatius had already slain his foe and, flushed
with victory, was awaiting the second encounter. Then the Romans
cheered their champion with a shout such as men raise when hope
succeeds to despair, and he hastened to bring the fight to a close.
Before the third, who was not far away, could come up, he despatched
the second Curiatius. The survivors were now equal in point of
numbers, but far from equal in either confidence or strength. The one,
unscathed after his double victory, was eager for the third contest;
the other, dragging himself wearily along, exhausted by his wounds and
by his running, vanquished already by the previous slaughter of his
brothers, was an easy conquest to his victorious foe. There was, in
fact, no fighting. The Roman cried exultingly: "Two have I sacrificed
to appease my brothers' shades; the third I will offer for the issue
of this fight, that the Roman may rule the Alban." He thrust his sword
downward into the neck of his opponent, who could no longer lift his
shield, and then despoiled him as he lay. Horatius was welcomed by the
Romans with shouts of triumph, all the more joyous for the fears they
had felt. Both sides turned their attention to burying their dead
champions, but with very different feelings, the one rejoicing in
wider dominion, the other deprived of their liberty and under alien
rule. The tombs stand on the spots where each fell; those of the
Romans close together, in the direction of Alba; the three Alban
tombs, at intervals, in the direction of Rome." - Livy, History of
Rome 1.24-25

On this day was also commemorated the fight between the Horatii and
the Curiatii, known as the tigillum sororium. As Rome began to
expand, her neighbors did not always willingly submit to her control.
Alba Longa, the city founded by Aeneas' son Iulus (Ascanius), was one
such city. Frictions also arose because of cattle raiding between the
cities. According to the legend, Tullius Hostilius, king of Rome,
decided against full-scale war of city against city. Instead he
proposed single combats between a triplet of three brothers from Rome,
the Horatii, and another set of male triplets, the Curiatii, who were
citizens of Alba. Alba Longa agreed. The opponents were well-matched
and battle was fierce: all three Curiatii received wounds but two of
the Horatii were killed. The third resorted to a strategem: he fled,
which lured the Curiatii into pursuing him. But as they ran the
wounded and weakened Curiatii separated from each other and space
increased between them. This enabled the last of the Horatii to turn
and confront each individually. He succeeded in killing them one by
one, and thus won the day for Rome. The city of Alba Longa was
destroyed and Roman influence throughout Latium increased. The story
of the Horatii became a favorite for its celebration of stamina,
courage against the odds, and willingness to die for one's country.
The sister of the Horatii, however, openly wept over the death of one
of the Curiatii who had been her lover. In anger her surviving brother
killed her. For this murder he was condemned to death but was spared
when he appealed to the people. To do penance he was veiled and led
under a yoke, which was a typical punishment indicating submission to
the will of another. Unlike a yoke typically used with oxen or to
carry heavy buckets from one's shoulders, the punishment yoke was
created from three spears to form a doorway through which the penitent
must crawl.

Valete bene!

Cato


SOURCES

Livy, Horatii
(http://www.dl.ket.org/latin1/historia/people/horatii01.htm) and
(http://www.bartleby.com/65/ho/Horatii.html)

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes.

As you may have noticed, I have been silent in the Forum for a couple
of weeks. Some serious issues in my personal life made this
necessary, all of which have been resolved to my great satisfaction.

Just so there is no question, during this brief time I was in private
correspondence with both my colleague in the curule aedileship - and
I'd like to thank Iulius Sabinus for his help and very kind assistance
- and my praetor, Iulius Caesar, to whom I also give my sincerest
thanks.

On the brighter side, I just finished reading "The Fall of The Roman
Empire" by Peter Heather and I strongly recommend it. It's a
fascinating take on the catalysts which brought down the power of the
Western Empire.

Valete bene,

Cato

Its good to have you back and posting Cato. I am glad to hear
everything is good in your life. So with out further ado, welcome
back.

Vale
M. Pontio Seiano

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes.

In my speech regarding my brief absence, I called Gn. Iulius Caesar
"praetor"; he is, in fact, my QUAESTOR and I apologize for the error.

Valete bene,

Cato

M. Hortensia quiritibus spd;
I wish add that this is a wonderful candidate: L. Arminius
Faustus, a long time civis, knowledgable about the mos & history of
Rome, devoted to Nova Roma, a Latin speaker & cultor deorum. A man
who understands the mean & will allow this forum to blossom.
I admire him greatly.
bene vale in pacem deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior, aedilis plebis

>
> > "Lucius Arminius Faustus" wrote:
> > Citizens, I candidate myself to the office of Praetor.
>
> I here to suport Faustus' candidacy to the office of Praetor.
>
> With an excellent job as Praetor, Propraetor and Senator, I know

that

> he will be able to do a very good job as Praetor again!
>
> I'll vote him!
>
> Vale & Valete
> C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS
> PROPRAETOR•PROVINCIAE•BRASILIAE
> QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
> SCRIBA
> "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
>

Salve Octavius,
I've joined. my webspace id is http://www.myspace.com/romanbabe :-)

I've just signed up for my space a few days ago and I'm happy to see that
other Nova Romans are there too!
Any Nova romans are welcome to add me as a friend. Since my job has been
made redundant, basically I'll be sitting at work for the next 6 weeks doing
NOTHING but playing on the internet....

Ciarin: I tried to add you as a friend and I got an error message that your
id was not found. I'll try again.

Valete,
Diana

On 10/1/06, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> There was a Nova Roma group on MySpace. It disappeared a few
> months ago - though it remains in my list of subscribed groups,
> I receive "invalid group ID" whenever trying to enter it.
> Perhaps its founder left the site.
>
> I've created a new one. The name "NovaRoma" was no longer
> available for the URL - probably in use by the previous group -
> so I've had to choose another:
>
> http://groups.myspace.com/SPQRNovaRoma
>
> Please join if you're a myspace user and a citizen. The idea
> isn't to provide a substitute or divert traffic from the main list,
> but rather to increase our visibility - it will show on your profile
> there that you're a citizen of Nova Roma, and viewers might be
> motivated to join us.
>
> Similarly, I've created a group on the students-only site "Facebook":
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2211669584
>
> (if this doesn't work, try "search groups" for "Nova Roma").
>
> What other widely-used sites have we established a presence on?
>
> Valete,
> M. Octavius Gracchus.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Gracchus
> octavius@... <octavius%40novaroma.org> *
> http://www.graveyards.com
>
> "What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
> clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
> over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese
>
>


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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est postridie Kalendas Octobris (ante diem VI Idus Octobris);
haec dies fastus aterque est.

"Whilst the Romans were passing their time quietly at the outposts, a
gigantic Gaul in splendid armour advanced towards them, and delivered
a challenge through an interpreter to meet any Roman in single combat.
There was a young military tribune, named Marcus Valerius, who
considered himself no less worthy of that honour than T. Manlius had
been. After obtaining the consul's permission, he marched, completely
armed, into the open ground between the two armies. The human element
in the fight was thrown into the shade by the direct interposition of
the gods, for just as they were engaging a crow settled all of a
sudden on the Roman's helmet with its head towards his antagonist. The
tribune gladly accepted this as a divinely-sent augury, and prayed
that whether it were god or goddess who had sent the auspicious bird
that deity would be gracious to him and help him. Wonderful to relate,
not only did the bird keep its place on the helmet, but every time
they encountered it rose on its wings and attacked the Gaul's face and
eyes with beak and talon, until, terrified at the sight of so dire a
portent and bewildered in eyes and mind alike, he was slain by
Valerius. Then, soaring away eastwards, the crow passed out of sight.
Hitherto the outposts on both sides had remained quiet, but when the
tribune began to despoil his foeman's corpse, the Gauls no longer kept
their posts, whilst the Romans ran still more swiftly to help the
victor. A furious fight took place round the body as it lay, and not
only the maniples at the nearest outposts but the legions pouring out
from the camp joined in the fray. The soldiers were exultant at their
tribune's victory and at the manifest presence and help of the gods,
and as Camillus ordered them into action he pointed to the tribune,
conspicuous with his spoils, and said: "Follow his example, soldiers,
and lay the Gauls in heaps round their fallen champion!" Gods and man
alike took part in the battle, and it was fought out to a finish,
unmistakably disastrous to the Gauls, so completely had each army
anticipated a result corresponding to that of the single combat. Those
Gauls who began the fight fought desperately, but the rest of the host
who came to help them turned back before they came within range of the
missiles. They dispersed amongst the Volscians and over the Falernian
district; from thence they made their way to Apulia and the western
sea.

The consul mustered his troops on parade, and after praising the
conduct of the tribune presented him with ten oxen and a golden
chaplet. In consequence of instructions received from the senate he
took over the maritime war and joined his forces with those of the
praetor. The Greeks were too lacking in courage to run the risk of a
general engagement, and there was every prospect of the war proving a
long one. Camillus was in consequence authorised by the senate to
nominate T. Manlius Torquatus as Dictator for the purpose of
conducting the elections. After appointing A. Cornelius Cossus as
Master of the Horse, the Dictator proceeded to hold the consular
elections. Marcus Valerius Corvus (for that was henceforth his
cognomen), a young man of twenty-three, was declared to be duly
elected amidst the enthusiastic cheers of the people. His colleague
was the plebeian, M. Popilius Laenas, now elected for the fourth time.
Nothing worth recording took place between Camillus and the Greeks;
they were no fighters on land and the Romans could not fight on the
sea. Ultimately, as they were prevented from landing anywhere and
water and the other necessaries of life failed them, they abandoned
Italy. To what Greek state or nationality that fleet belonged is a
matter of uncertainty; I think it most likely that it belonged to the
Tyrant of Sicily, for Greece itself was at that time exhausted by
intestine wars and was watching with dread the growing power of
Macedonia." - Livy, History of Rome 7.26


Today is also celebrated in the Roman Catholic Church as the feast of
the Guardian Angels. The word "angel" originated from the Latin
"angelus", itself derived from the Greek "aggelos", meaning
"messenger". An angel is a spiritual being which assists and serves
God or the gods in many religious traditions. A belief in angels, for
example, is central to the religion of Islam, beginning with the
belief that the Qu'ran was dictated to the Prophet Muhammed by the
angel Gabriel. The idea of a guardian angel or spirit predates
Christianity, as in Rome where every man had his genius – the
guiding or tutelary spirit of a person or indeed of an entire gens
– and every woman her Iuno. Belief in tutelary gods or spirits often
reflects a tradition of animism. We might think of the tutelary
spirits (in particular, genius loci, spirits associated with and
protective of place) of England as King Arthur and St. George, of
Sherwood Forest as Robin Hood, and Windsor Park, Herne. The Celtic
goddess Brigantia was tutelary goddess of the Brigantes tribe of
England. Individuals might also have tutelary spirits – angels,
fairy godmothers, totems or spirit guides, for example.

The Roman religion had dozens of tutelary spirits, such as Diana of
Aricia, who watched over a sacred grove at Aricia, or the goddess
Levana, who watched over young children. The Lares and Penates were
local tutelary deities, as was the genius loci, a spirit said to be
present in certain places. Venus is mentioned by Catullus and Juvenal
as the tutelary deity of Ancona, Italy. A comparable term from Arabic
lore is a djinn, known in English as a `genie'. Shinto is
also a religion whose many spirits, or kami, could be described as
tutelary. Finnish mythology had such tutelary spirits as Kotitonttu,
tutelary of the home; Pihatonttu (of the yard); Saunatonttu (of the
sauna); Tonttu (a generally benign tutelary). Hiisi are a kind of
tutelary spirit in mythologies of the Baltic Sea area. In Indonesia, a
guardian angel may be hung over an infant's crib to supposedly
safeguard them as they sleep.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy, angels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) and
(http://www.skeptiseum.org/exhibits/miracles/angels.html)

Cato Pontio Seiano sal.

Thank you. It's good to be back :-)

vale bene,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "legio_vi_tribunis"
<legio_vi_tribunis@...> wrote:

>
> Its good to have you back and posting Cato. I am glad to hear
> everything is good in your life. So with out further ado, welcome
> back.
>
> Vale
> M. Pontio Seiano
>

Salvete fellow Romans!

After a little hiatus as macro-world concerns kept me very busy, I've
made my way back to my true home here in Nova Roma and I look forward
to again taking part in many stimulating discussions, serving the Res
Publica in whatever capacity I can, and continue the journey to
realise the full potential of Nova Roma.

Valete,

Lucius Cornelius Cicero
Interpreter

Its always good to our cives return, so I say its glad to have you
home once again.

M. Pontio Seiano

Avete!

Fellow citizens, I would hereby like to announce to the people of
Rome my candidacy for the position of Curule Aedile.

Due to fortuitous circumstances I am in the position to be able to
give of my time and effort to serve Nova Roma.

There are three main factors that I believe makes me a suitable
candidate for this magistracy:

1. A love for both Roma Antiqua and Nova Roma and the desire to see
our republic expand and offer as much as possible to its citizens in
order to both increase membership and to retain interest among those
who are already our fellow Romans.

2. A knowledge of Rome gained through both personal research and
through formal study at university, where I will in the next month
complete my final modules for my BA degree major in Classics.

3. Internet access. I have 24 hour permanent internet access both at
home and work which will allow me to always be in touch with my
fellow magistrates and citizens, something I believe to be essential
for the proper carrying out of duties.

Regarding my past service to the Res Publica, I served as a Quaestor
to the Plebeian Aedile for the year 2005.

I look forward to serving Nova Roma in the position of Curule
Aedile, should my fellow citizens deem me worthy of this honour.


Bene Valete,

Lucius Cornelius Cicero

Ex Officium

Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Propraetesque Novae Romae S.P.D.

This edictum serves to officially remind Governors of annual reports containing budgets due to the Senate by Kal. Nov (Nov. 1) of this year.

Additionally, a report is due not later than Kal Feb 2760 (Feb. 1 2007) indicating whether or not governors wish to be considered by the Senate for another term of office.

I invite Governors to review the legislation via the links below, and to mark their calenders.

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-03-11-iv.html

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-06-14-ii.html


Valete


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Salve Amice et Censor!

Congratulations to your change of name!

>Henceforth I shall be known as
>
> MARCUS OCTAVIUS GRACCHUS.
>
>I have chosen this cognomen for several reasons.
>
>Valete,
> Marcus Octavius Gracchus,
> (formerly Marcus Octavius Germanicus),
> Censor.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senator, Censorius et Consularis
Accensus GFBM, Scriba Censoris GEM
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Citizens! Why so few declarations of candidacy?

Thus far, I've seen only one person who wishes to be Praetor, one
who wants to be Tribune, and one for the Aedileship.

Will no one be Quaestor or Consul next year? And what of the
other positions above - these need colleagues, certainly. As
does this Censor.

Consul Modianus and Tribune Horatianus asked for your declarations
by the Nones of October. That is only five days away.

Please, if you can contribute, and if you meet the qualifications,
stand for office.

The election page with the candidate list is:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29

Valete,
M. Octavius Gracchus, Censor.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

"What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese

I am curious as to the qualifications for the various candidacies. I joined Nova Roma primarily to support the Religio, but would not be opposed to doing what I can for the republic.

Gaius Quinctius Flamininus

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Hucke
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Call for Candidates



Citizens! Why so few declarations of candidacy?

Thus far, I've seen only one person who wishes to be Praetor, one
who wants to be Tribune, and one for the Aedileship.

Will no one be Quaestor or Consul next year? And what of the
other positions above - these need colleagues, certainly. As
does this Censor.

Consul Modianus and Tribune Horatianus asked for your declarations
by the Nones of October. That is only five days away.

Please, if you can contribute, and if you meet the qualifications,
stand for office.

The election page with the candidate list is:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29

Valete,
M. Octavius Gracchus, Censor.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

"What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese




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SALVE ET SALVETE !

You can find the answers at :

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/45751

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/45779

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "William Dowie" <jagatai@...>
wrote:

>
> I am curious as to the qualifications for the various candidacies.

I joined Nova Roma primarily to support the Religio, but would not
be opposed to doing what I can for the republic.

>
> Gaius Quinctius Flamininus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matt Hucke
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Call for Candidates
>
>
>
> Citizens! Why so few declarations of candidacy?
>
> Thus far, I've seen only one person who wishes to be Praetor, one
> who wants to be Tribune, and one for the Aedileship.
>
> Will no one be Quaestor or Consul next year? And what of the
> other positions above - these need colleagues, certainly. As
> does this Censor.
>
> Consul Modianus and Tribune Horatianus asked for your

declarations

> by the Nones of October. That is only five days away.
>
> Please, if you can contribute, and if you meet the

qualifications,

> stand for office.
>
> The election page with the candidate list is:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
> Valete,
> M. Octavius Gracchus, Censor.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Gracchus
> octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com
>
> "What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
> clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
> over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem V Idus Octobris; haec dies comitialis est.

"To their religious performances were added the pleasures of wine and
feasting, to allure a greater number of proselytes. When wine,
lascivious discourse, night, and the intercourse of the sexes had
extinguished every sentiment of modesty, then debaucheries of every
kind began to be practiced, as every person found at hand that sort of
enjoyment to which he was disposed by the passion predominant in his
nature. Nor were they confined to one species of vice - the
promiscuous intercourse of free-born men and women; but from this
store-house of villainy proceeded false witnesses, counterfeit seals,
false evidences, and pretended discoveries. From the same place, too,
proceeded poison and secret murders, so that in some cases, not even
the bodies could be found for burial. Many of their audacious deeds
were brought about by treachery, but most of them by force; it served
to conceal the violence, that, on account of the loud shouting, and
the noise of drums and cymbals, none of the cries uttered by the
persons suffering violence or murder could be heard abroad.

The infection of this mischief, like that from the contagion of
disease, spread from Etruria to Rome; where, the size of the city
affording greater room for such evils, and more means of concealment,
cloaked it at first; but information of it was at length brought to
the consul, Postumius. There was a freedwoman called Hispala Fecenia,
a noted courtesan who gave a full account of the origin of the
mysteries. 'At first,' she said, 'those rites were performed by women.
No man used to be admitted. They had three stated days in the year on
which persons were initiated among the Bacchanalians, in the daytime.
The matrons used to be appointed priestesses, in rotation. Paculla
Minia, a Campanian, when priestess, made an alteration in every
particular, as if by the direction of the gods. For she first
introduced men, who were her own sons, Minucius and Herrenius, both
surnamed Cerrinius; changed the time of celebration, from day to
night; and, instead of three days in the year, appointed five days of
initiation, in each month.

From the time that the rites were thus made common, and men were
intermixed with women, and the licentious freedom of the night was
added, there was nothing wicked, nothing flagitious, that had not been
practiced among them. There were more frequent pollution of men with
each other than with women. If any were less patient in submitting to
dishonor, or more averse to the commission of vice, they were
sacrificed as victims. To think nothing unlawful was the grand maxim
of their religion. The men, as if bereft of reason, uttered
predictions, with frantic contortions of their bodies; the women, in
the habit of Bacchantes, with their hair disheveled, and carrying
blazing torches, ran down to the Tiber; where, dipping their torches
in the water, they drew them up again with the flame unextinguished,
being composed of native sulphur and charcoal. They said that those
men were carried off by the gods, whom the machines laid hold of and
dragged from their view into secret caves. These were such as refused
to take the oath of the society, or to associate in their crimes, or
to submit to defilement. This number was exceedingly great now, almost
a second state in themselves, and among them were many men and women
of noble families. During the last two years it had been a rule, that
no person above the age of twenty should be initiated; for they sought
for people of such age as made them more liable to suffer deception
and personal abuse.'" - Livy, History of Rome 39.8-16 [ed.]


"The consuls Quintus Marcius son of Lucius and Spurius Postumius son
of Lucius consulted the senate on the Nones of October in the Temple
of Bellona. Present at the writing of the decree were Marcus Claudius
son of Marcus, Lucius Valerius son of Publius, and Quintus Minucius
son of Gaius. Concerning the rites of Bacchus among the federated
peoples they decreed that the following edict be made:

'Let none of them be minded to have a shrine of Bacchus. If there are
any who say that they must needs have a shrine of Bacchus, they must
come to the Urban Praetor at Rome and, when their case has been heard,
our senate must make a decision on this, provided that not fewer than
one hundred senators were present when the matter was discussed. Let
no man, whether Roman citizen or Latin ally or other ally, be minded
to go to a meeting of Bacchantes, unless they have gone to the Urban
Praetor and he has authorised it in accordance with a decision of the
senate, provided that not fewer than one hundred senators were present
when the matter was discussed.'

They decreed:

'Let no man be a priest. Let no-one, man or woman, be a master. Let
none of them be minded to keep a common fund. Let no-one be minded to
make any man or woman an official or a temporary official. Henceforth
let no-one be minded to conspire, collude, plot or make vows in common
among themselves or to pledge loyalty to each other. Let none of them
be minded to hold sacred rites in secret. Let none of them be minded
to hold sacred rites in public or in private or outside the city,
unless they have gone to the Urban Praetor and he has authorised it in
accordance with a decision of the senate, provided that not more than
one hundred senators were present when the matter was discussed.'

They decreed:

'Let no group of more than five people in all, counting both men and
women, be minded to hold sacred rites; and let no more than two men or
three women be minded to be present, unless authorised by the Urban
Praetor and the senate as above.'

You are to publicize these decrees at a public meeting over a period
of not less than three market days, and you must keep in mind the
decree of the senate, which was as follows: 'If there are any who
transgress against the decrees set out above, a capital charge is to
be brought against them'. You are to engrave this on a bronze tablet
(this also the senate decreed) and are to give orders that it be set
it up where it can most easily be read. And you are to see to it that
such shrines of Bacchus as now exist (if any) are disbanded in
accordance with the above decree within ten days from the time when
you receive these tablets, unless they contain any genuinely sacred
thing. In the territory of the Teuri." - SENATUS CONSULTUM DE
BACCANALIBUS, 186 BC

Today was the celebration of the Bacchanalia until outlawed by the
Senate. The Bacchanalia were wild and mystic festivals of the Roman
god Bacchus. Introduced into Rome from lower Italy by way of Etruria
(c. 200 BC), the Bacchanalia were originally held in secret and
attended by women only. The festivals occurred on three days of the
year in the grove of Simila near the Aventine Hill. Later, admission
to the rites was extended to men and celebrations took place five
times a month. According to Livy, the extension happened in an era
when the leader of the Bacchus cult was Paculla Annia - though it is
now believed that some men had participated before that.

Livy informs us that the rapid spread of the cult, which he claims
indulged in all kinds of crimes and political conspiracies at its
nocturnal meetings, led in 186 BC to a decree of the Senate — the
so-called Senatus consultum de Baccanalibus, inscribed on a bronze
tablet discovered in Apulia in Southern Italy (AD 1640), now at the
Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna — by which the Bacchanalia were
prohibited throughout all Italy except in certain special cases which
must be approved specifically by the Senate. In spite of the severe
punishment inflicted on those found in violation of this decree (Livy
claims there were more executions than imprisonment), the Bacchanalia
survived in Southern Italy long past the repression.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy, Senatusconsultum de Baccanalibus, Wikipedia

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

Coram vobis sto, Quirites, petasum in circum iacio et nomen profiteor
praeturam peténs. Servii Rei Publicae consuli accensa, trium praetorum
scriba, magistri araneari scriba, aedilis curulis scriba, censoris scriba et
rogatrix, et interpres linguae Latinae; inter nos sunt qui me scribam
praetoris Perusiani et magistrorum araneariorum Calvi et Scaevolae proximo
anno omnes leges in Tabulario emendavisse meminerint.

Praetrici creata, si necesse sit iudicium exercére, aequa ero; itidem
aequa ero dé moderamine Fori Novae Romae praecipui; manum graviorem non
timendam. Indolés mea nec inconstans nec fervido ingenio, sed placida;
nihil timendum.

Quirites, I stand before you; I am throwing my hat into the ring and
putting forth my name as a candidate for the praetura. I have served the
Res Publica as consular accensa, scriba for three praetores, the webmaster,
a curule aedile, and a censor, as well as in the capacity of rogatrix and as
Latin interpreter; there are among us those who remember that I proofread
and corrected all of the laws in the Tabularium last year in my capacity as
scriba to Praetor Perusianus and webmasters Calvus and Scaevola.

If I should be elected praetrix, and it would be necessary to administer
justice, I shall be fair; likewise, I shall be fair with regard to the
moderation of the main list of Nova Roma; an overly-heavy hand should not be
feared. My nature is neither temperamental nor hotheaded, but calm; there is
nothing to fear.

Curate ut valeatis optime.



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Salvete,

I am new at Latin, but I believe that is "Hello" plurally? Anyway,
my name is Joseph, I am a 22 year old from Newark, New Jersey. I
applied for citizenship a few minutes ago, I chose my name to be
Marcus Aelius Caesar. I have always been interested in Roman
culture, always wanted to learn classical latin, I think it's
because I'm of Italian descent, so I have always been very
interested in the Roman eras before christianity "invaded" Rome.

I guess I'll just have to wait until the censors accept my
application, is there anything else that is required of citizenship?
Is there any forum? I attempted to start my own Roman micronation
once, but my lack of knowledge in certain areas led me to get
confused on certain aspects, so I had to take a step back, and when
I found this micronation, I decided to join.

I will definately be very active in the micronation, I will run for
political office, I will monitor thne messages here, and I am
looking forward into rising in the ranks here if I can.

I read in one of the poll questions if you would like to donate
land, so what would it be donated for, for uses in this micronation?
Are we planning to create a new nation here, or is this more of a
political exercise?

Thank you

Everybody that has known me would say that I'm near obsessed with
the roman times, heh, so that should assure you of my sincerity of
interest in this micronation, I only aspire to be a productive
citizen. Though I didn't get my chance to be in the ancient Roman
times, I am glad to have my chance to be in the modern one!

Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus A Tulliae Scholasticae omnibusque s.d.



Lumine fulgente laboris tui operarumque diu datarum quibus rem publicam
novam toto corde tuo multos abhinc annos servavisti, quomodo non possem
suffragium ac adiumentum meum laete offerre ? hortor quoque omnes alios
quirites – suffragimini huic dominae quae omnibus nobis iam ostendit se
candidatam praeclaram ad praeturam esse!



Curate ut valeatis!



_____

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of A. Tullia Scholastica
Sent: 03 October 2006 10:27
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Petasi



A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

Coram vobis sto, Quirites, petasum in circum iacio et nomen profiteor
praeturam peténs. Servii Rei Publicae consuli accensa, trium praetorum
scriba, magistri araneari scriba, aedilis curulis scriba, censoris scriba et
rogatrix, et interpres linguae Latinae; inter nos sunt qui me scribam
praetoris Perusiani et magistrorum araneariorum Calvi et Scaevolae proximo
anno omnes leges in Tabulario emendavisse meminerint.

Praetrici creata, si necesse sit iudicium exercére, aequa ero; itidem
aequa ero dé moderamine Fori Novae Romae praecipui; manum graviorem non
timendam. Indolés mea nec inconstans nec fervido ingenio, sed placida;
nihil timendum.

Quirites, I stand before you; I am throwing my hat into the ring and
putting forth my name as a candidate for the praetura. I have served the
Res Publica as consular accensa, scriba for three praetores, the webmaster,
a curule aedile, and a censor, as well as in the capacity of rogatrix and as
Latin interpreter; there are among us those who remember that I proofread
and corrected all of the laws in the Tabularium last year in my capacity as
scriba to Praetor Perusianus and webmasters Calvus and Scaevola.

If I should be elected praetrix, and it would be necessary to administer
justice, I shall be fair; likewise, I shall be fair with regard to the
moderation of the main list of Nova Roma; an overly-heavy hand should not be
feared. My nature is neither temperamental nor hotheaded, but calm; there is
nothing to fear.

Curate ut valeatis optime.


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Salvete omnes,

Well who among us could be better qualified to handle the office of
praetor? I am very happy for myself and Nova Roma that A. Tullia
Scholastica with her great qualifications and experience has stepped
up to the plate. I urge all citizens to support her in their votes.
This is the kick start we need here and she is exactly the sort of
ambassador who will give Nova Roma great credibility in the
macroworld - especially with the academics.


Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

Tribunus Plebis

Senator















--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
<fororom@...> wrote:

>
> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Coram vobis sto, Quirites, petasum in circum iacio et nomen

profiteor

> praeturam peténs. Servii Rei Publicae consuli accensa, trium

praetorum

> scriba, magistri araneari scriba, aedilis curulis scriba, censoris

scriba et

> rogatrix, et interpres linguae Latinae; inter nos sunt qui me

scribam

> praetoris Perusiani et magistrorum araneariorum Calvi et Scaevolae

proximo

> anno omnes leges in Tabulario emendavisse meminerint.
>
> Praetrici creata, si necesse sit iudicium exercére, aequa ero;

itidem

> aequa ero dé moderamine Fori Novae Romae praecipui; manum

graviorem non

> timendam. Indolés mea nec inconstans nec fervido ingenio, sed

placida;

> nihil timendum.
>
> Quirites, I stand before you; I am throwing my hat into the

ring and

> putting forth my name as a candidate for the praetura. I have

served the

> Res Publica as consular accensa, scriba for three praetores, the

webmaster,

> a curule aedile, and a censor, as well as in the capacity of

rogatrix and as

> Latin interpreter; there are among us those who remember that I

proofread

> and corrected all of the laws in the Tabularium last year in my

capacity as

> scriba to Praetor Perusianus and webmasters Calvus and Scaevola.
>
> If I should be elected praetrix, and it would be necessary to

administer

> justice, I shall be fair; likewise, I shall be fair with regard to

the

> moderation of the main list of Nova Roma; an overly-heavy hand

should not be

> feared. My nature is neither temperamental nor hotheaded, but

calm; there is

> nothing to fear.
>
> Curate ut valeatis optime.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ex Officio Magistri Aranearii Quinti Valeri Callidi

EDICTVM MAGISTRI ARANEARII QUINTO VALERIO CALLIDO

De Creatione Fabro Araneario

Ex hoc edicto, civis faber aranearii una cum officiis privilegiisque
omnibus praescriptis legibus Novae Romae designo. M. Lucretius
Agricola faber aranearius creatur. Quidquam ius iurandum
non poscetur.

Hoc edictum statim valet.

Datum sub manu mea postridie ante diem III Non. OCT MMDCCLIX ab urbe
condita Gaio Fabio Buteo Modiano Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo
consulibus.


On the Naming of Scribae

I hereby appoint the following citizen as faber aranearius, together
with all the obligations and privileges prescribed by the laws of Nova
Roma. M. Lucretius Agricola is appointed faber aranearius. He shall
not be required to make any kind of oath.

This edict is effective immediately.

Given under my hand this third day of October 2759 a.u.c (A.D. 2006)
in the consulship of Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus and Pompeia
Minucia-Tiberia Strabo.

I, Quintus of the Valerii, called Callidus, of the tribe Galeria, don
the toga candida, and here announce my candidacy for Curule Aedile.

Though we of NovaRoma have no formal buildings, city, nor grounds, we
do have a large virtual presence on the Internet. As Magister
Aranearius I have some experience with our virtual demesne, which has
been wonderfully reconstructed by Censor M. Octavius Gracchus, Faber
Aranearius M. Lucretius Agricola, and the Scribae who have made the
online experience a true pleasure. Semper vos laudabo.

I would like to extend my participation to include the functions of
Curule Aedile, where I may be able to assist in the promulgation of
the public games, events, religious functions, and help fellow
citizens expedite their way to learning, living, and enjoying more of
what Nova Roma has to offer.

I have been a citizen for nigh three years, and in that time I have
been fortunate to meet wonderful people who share a love of learning,
history, and friendship. I have been honored with the position of
Cultural Scriba, Proconsular Scriba, Magister Aranearius Novae
Britanniae, and Magister Aranearius Novae Romae.

Professionally, I am a web designer/systems programmer, and with 16
years in software development (over 11 in Perl, and 16 in c), as well
as team participation and management. I have extensive experience
with maintaining a healthy state of websites, including
Unix/Linux/BSD operating systems, reactive webpages via Javascript,
mysql and PostGreSQL database design and integration, and business
logic services using perl and java. I hope my skills would become an
asset to the Republic as a whole.

My professional credentials include work in financials, eCommerce and
eLearning, and development of software for those fields, in Perl, as
well as Java, Python, Jython, C, C++, Ruby, Scheme, Tcl/Tk,
Yacc/Bison, Lex/Flex, mySQL and Postscript, including GUI and
database development (SQL under Oracle, PostGreSQL, and mySQL),
Ticket Tracking Systems, SOAP/XML, shopping cart design and
implementation under apache (1.3 and 2.0 with SSL, perl templating by
hand and with Interchange, and XHTML/CSS), statistical treatment, and
system adaptation to user trends, preferences and criteria along with
reporting facilities.

I hope my abilities are worth their salt, and if the people deem I
have the right stuff, then I will do my best to help keep the wheels
of the Republic running smoothly for the citizenry of Nova Roma.

Gratias vobis ago.
Vale et Valete!

Quintus Valerius Callidus

> A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Suetonio Paulino quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Well who among us could be better qualified to handle the office of
> praetor?
>
> ATS: Thank you very much for the compliment!
>
> I am very happy for myself and Nova Roma that A. Tullia
> Scholastica with her great qualifications and experience has stepped
> up to the plate. I urge all citizens to support her in their votes.
> This is the kick start we need here and she is exactly the sort of
> ambassador who will give Nova Roma great credibility in the
> macroworld - especially with the academics.
>
> ATS: Thank you very much for your support!
>
> Incidentally, QSP, which version did you read...the Latin or the English?
> ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
>
> Tribunus Plebis
>
> Senator
>
> Vale, et valete quam optime!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
> Tullia Scholastica"
> <fororom@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>> >
>> > Coram vobis sto, Quirites, petasum in circum iacio et nomen
> profiteor
>> > praeturam peténs. Servii Rei Publicae consuli accensa, trium
> praetorum
>> > scriba, magistri araneari scriba, aedilis curulis scriba, censoris
> scriba et
>> > rogatrix, et interpres linguae Latinae; inter nos sunt qui me
> scribam
>> > praetoris Perusiani et magistrorum araneariorum Calvi et Scaevolae
> proximo
>> > anno omnes leges in Tabulario emendavisse meminerint.
>> >
>> > Praetrici creata, si necesse sit iudicium exercére, aequa ero;
> itidem
>> > aequa ero dé moderamine Fori Novae Romae praecipui; manum
> graviorem non
>> > timendam. Indolés mea nec inconstans nec fervido ingenio, sed
> placida;
>> > nihil timendum.
>> >
>> > Quirites, I stand before you; I am throwing my hat into the
> ring and
>> > putting forth my name as a candidate for the praetura. I have
> served the
>> > Res Publica as consular accensa, scriba for three praetores, the
> webmaster,
>> > a curule aedile, and a censor, as well as in the capacity of
> rogatrix and as
>> > Latin interpreter; there are among us those who remember that I
> proofread
>> > and corrected all of the laws in the Tabularium last year in my
> capacity as
>> > scriba to Praetor Perusianus and webmasters Calvus and Scaevola.
>> >
>> > If I should be elected praetrix, and it would be necessary to
> administer
>> > justice, I shall be fair; likewise, I shall be fair with regard to
> the
>> > moderation of the main list of Nova Roma; an overly-heavy hand
> should not be
>> > feared. My nature is neither temperamental nor hotheaded, but
> calm; there is
>> > nothing to fear.
>> >
>> > Curate ut valeatis optime.
>> >
>> >
>

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> A. Tullia Scholastica Sexto Pontio Pilato Barbato quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus A Tulliae Scholasticae omnibusque s.d.
>
> Lumine fulgente laboris tui operarumque diu datarum quibus rem publicam
> novam toto corde tuo multos abhinc annos servavisti, quomodo non possem
> suffragium ac adiumentum meum laete offerre ? hortor quoque omnes alios
> quirites – suffragimini huic dominae quae omnibus nobis iam ostendit se
> candidatam praeclaram ad praeturam esse!
>
> ATS: Plurimas gratias pro benignitate tua, et pro hortatu tuo!
>
> Fortasse, autem, omnia in Anglicum vertere debes, quia perpauci inter nos
> linguam nostram legere possunt. Avitus hunc indicem non legit...nec, ut
> puto, sodales sodalitatis nostrae. ;-)
>
> Curate ut valeatis!
>
> Et tu, et vos omnes!
>
> _____
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> Of A. Tullia Scholastica
> Sent: 03 October 2006 10:27
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Petasi
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Coram vobis sto, Quirites, petasum in circum iacio et nomen profiteor
> praeturam peténs. Servii Rei Publicae consuli accensa, trium praetorum
> scriba, magistri araneari scriba, aedilis curulis scriba, censoris scriba et
> rogatrix, et interpres linguae Latinae; inter nos sunt qui me scribam
> praetoris Perusiani et magistrorum araneariorum Calvi et Scaevolae proximo
> anno omnes leges in Tabulario emendavisse meminerint.
>
> Praetrici creata, si necesse sit iudicium exercére, aequa ero; itidem
> aequa ero dé moderamine Fori Novae Romae praecipui; manum graviorem non
> timendam. Indolés mea nec inconstans nec fervido ingenio, sed placida;
> nihil timendum.
>
> Quirites, I stand before you; I am throwing my hat into the ring and
> putting forth my name as a candidate for the praetura. I have served the
> Res Publica as consular accensa, scriba for three praetores, the webmaster,
> a curule aedile, and a censor, as well as in the capacity of rogatrix and as
> Latin interpreter; there are among us those who remember that I proofread
> and corrected all of the laws in the Tabularium last year in my capacity as
> scriba to Praetor Perusianus and webmasters Calvus and Scaevola.
>
> If I should be elected praetrix, and it would be necessary to administer
> justice, I shall be fair; likewise, I shall be fair with regard to the
> moderation of the main list of Nova Roma; an overly-heavy hand should not be
> feared. My nature is neither temperamental nor hotheaded, but calm; there is
> nothing to fear.
>
> Curate ut valeatis optime.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Quinctio Flaminio quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> I am curious as to the qualifications for the various candidacies. I joined
> Nova Roma primarily to support the Religio, but would not be opposed to doing
> what I can for the republic.
>
> ATS: Aedilis Sabinus has already answered your question by referring you
> to the relevant messages, but let me put this in a nutshell: in order to run
> for office or serve as an apparitor, one must be assiduus, that is, one must
> pay the tax, though that is waived in the first year of citizenship, and one
> must have been a citizen for at least six months by January first, the date
> for taking office. That, of course, means that probationary citizens, and
> newer full citizens, cannot run for office. There are also age requirements
> which vary with the office sought, and other requirements for the higher
> offices in particular. All offices require a minimum age of 21, however.
>
> Gaius Quinctius Flamininus
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matt Hucke
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:novaroma-announce%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Call for Candidates
>
> Citizens! Why so few declarations of candidacy?
>
> Thus far, I've seen only one person who wishes to be Praetor, one
> who wants to be Tribune, and one for the Aedileship.
>
> Will no one be Quaestor or Consul next year? And what of the
> other positions above - these need colleagues, certainly. As
> does this Censor.
>
> Consul Modianus and Tribune Horatianus asked for your declarations
> by the Nones of October. That is only five days away.
>
> Please, if you can contribute, and if you meet the qualifications,
> stand for office.
>
> The election page with the candidate list is:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
> Valete,
> M. Octavius Gracchus, Censor.

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> Salve, M. Aeli, et salvete, omnes bonae voluntatis!
>
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> I am new at Latin, but I believe that is "Hello" plurally?
>
> ATS: It sure is.
>
>
> Anyway,
> my name is Joseph, I am a 22 year old from Newark, New Jersey.
>
> ATS: You might want to get together with Merlinia, who is one of our star
> Roman cooks. She lives near Newark.
>
> I
> applied for citizenship a few minutes ago, I chose my name to be
> Marcus Aelius Caesar.
>
> ATS: Since we have more Caesares than Rome, that might be a little
> problem. We discourage the use of such common cognomina, because we are known
> by our cognomina here, and things can get confusing with Caesar A and Caesar B
> and Caesar C...Caesar Z...especially when the additional letters aren¹t there.
>
> I have always been interested in Roman
> culture, always wanted to learn classical latin,
>
> ATS: The Academia Thules offers free courses in Latin. The ones I teach
> are in progress, so one cannot join them this year, but those taught by
> world-class Latinist A. Gratius Avitus will start October 16th. You will,
> however, have to hurry to order the text, should you be interested in taking
> this course as it must be in hand BEFORE the start of the class.
>
> I think it's
> because I'm of Italian descent, so I have always been very
> interested in the Roman eras before christianity "invaded" Rome.
>
> I guess I'll just have to wait until the censors accept my
> application, is there anything else that is required of citizenship?
>
> ATS: There¹s this little test one takes after three months...
>
> Is there any forum?
>
> ATS: This is our forum. There is also a mailing list for new citizens,
> New Roman, where things are quieter. This one can get rather fiery,
> especially now as we are going into election season.
>
>
> I attempted to start my own Roman micronation
> once, but my lack of knowledge in certain areas led me to get
> confused on certain aspects, so I had to take a step back, and when
> I found this micronation, I decided to join.
>
> ATS: Well, the term micronation has been discredited, so perhaps that¹s
> not what we really are. We are a cultural and educational group, inter alia.
>
> I will definately be very active in the micronation, I will run for
> political office, I will monitor thne messages here, and I am
> looking forward into rising in the ranks here if I can.
>
> I read in one of the poll questions if you would like to donate
> land, so what would it be donated for, for uses in this micronation?
> Are we planning to create a new nation here, or is this more of a
> political exercise?
>
> ATS: You will find the answers those and other questions by reading our
> constitution, and our primary web page. We hope someday to have a physical
> presence which we lack, though some of us are reenactors and see one another
> at reenactment events, and the European citizens have an annual conventus in
> one of the European countries where we can meet one another and enjoy visiting
> Roman archaeological sites and classically-oriented musea. I participated in
> this last August, and heartily recommend it to all citizens. We had a
> wonderful time inspecting Hadrian¹s Wall and getting to know one another.
>
> Thank you
>
> ATS: You are welcome!
>
> Everybody that has known me would say that I'm near obsessed with
> the roman times, heh, so that should assure you of my sincerity of
> interest in this micronation, I only aspire to be a productive
> citizen. Though I didn't get my chance to be in the ancient Roman
> times, I am glad to have my chance to be in the modern one!
>
> ATS: We welcome you, and hope you enjoy your stay among us. We need active
> citizens who want to get involved, but they must practice delayed
> gratification, since newbies cannot run for office or be appointed magisterial
> assistants, or even vote. That will come in time, when you are more familiar
> with us.

Vale, et valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica


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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem IV Idus Octobris; haec dies comitialis est.

"Minos aspired to the throne of Krete, but was rebuffed. He claimed,
however, that he had received the sovereignty from the gods, and to
prove it he said that whatever he prayed for would come about. So
while sacrificing to Poseidon, he prayed for a bull to appear from the
depths of the sea, and promised to sacrifice it upon its appearance.
And Poseidon did send up to him a splendid bull. Thus Minos received
the rule, but he sent the bull to his herds and sacrificed another.
Poseidon was angry that the bull was not sacrificed, and turned it
wild. He also devised that Pasiphae should develop a lust for it. In
her passion for the bull she took on as her accomplice an architect
named Daidalos...He built a woden cow on wheels...skinned a real cow,
and sewed the contraption into the skin, and then, after placing
Pasiphae inside, set it in a meadow where the bull normally grazed.
The bull came up and had intercourse with it, as if with a real cow.
Pasiphae gave birth to Asterios, who was called Minotauros. He had the
face of a bull, but was otherwise human. Minos, following certain
oracular instructions, kept him confined and under guard in the
labyrinth. This labyrinth, which Daidalos built, was a cage with
convoluted flextions that disorders debouchment." - Apollodorus, The
Library 3.8-11

"Pasiphae, the wife of Minos, became enamoured of the bull, and
Daidalos, by fashioning a contrivance in the shape of a cow, assisted
Pasiphae to gratify her passion. In explanation of this the myths
offer the following account: before this time it had been the custom
of Minos annually to dedicate to Poseidon the fairest bull born in his
herds and to sacrifice it to the god; but at the time in question
there was born a bull of extraordinary beauty and he sacrificed
another from among those which were inferior, whereupon Poseidon
becoming angry at Minos, caused his wife Pasiphae to become enamoured
of the bull. And by means of the ingenuity of Daidalos Pasiphae had
intercourse with the bull and gave birth to the Minotauros, famed in
the myth. This creature, they say, was of double form, the upper parts
of the body as far as the shoulders being those of a bull and the
remaining parts those of a man. As a place in which to keep this
monstrous thing Daidalos, the story goes, built a labyrinth, the
passage-ways of which were so winding that those unfamiliar with them
had difficulty in making their way out; in this labyrinth the Minotaur
was maintained and here it devoured the seven youths and seven maidens
which were sent to it from Athens, as we have already related." -
Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 4.77.1

"He [Theseus] killed the Minotaur in the town of Cnossus." - Hyginus,
Fabulae 38

"The feast called Oschophoria, or the feast of boughs, which to this
day the Athenians celebrate, was then first instituted by Theseus. For
he took not with him the full number of virgins which by lot were to
be carried away, but selected two youths of his acquaintance, of fair
and womanish faces, but of a manly and forward spirit, and having, by
frequent baths, and avoiding the heat and scorching of the sun, with a
constant use of all the ointments and washes and dresses that serve to
the adorning of the head or smoothing the skin or improving the
complexion, in a manner changed them from what they were before, and
having taught them farther to counterfeit the very voice and carriage
and gait of virgins so that there could not be the least difference
perceived, he, undiscovered by any, put them into the number of the
Athenian maids designed for Crete. At his return, he and these two
youths led up a solemn procession, in the same habit that is now worn
by those who carry the vine-branches. Those branches they carry in
honour of Bacchus and Ariadne, for the sake of their story before
related; or rather because they happened to return in autumn, the time
of gathering the grapes. The women, whom they call Deipnopherae, or
supper-carriers, are taken into these ceremonies, and assist at the
sacrifice, in remembrance and imitation of the mothers of the young
men and virgins upon whom the lot fell, for thus they ran about
bringing bread and meat to their children; and because the women then
told their sons and daughters many tales and stories, to comfort and
encourage them under the danger they were going upon, it has still
continued a custom that at this feast old fables and tales should be
told. For these particularities we are indebted to the history of
Demon. There was then a place chosen out, and a temple erected in it
to Theseus, and those families out of whom the tribute of the youth
was gathered were appointed to pay tax to the temple for sacrifices to
him. And the house of the Phytalidae had the overseeing of these
sacrifices, Theseus doing them that honour in recompense of their
former hospitality." - Plutarch, Parallel Lives "Theuseus"

In ancient Greece today was the celebration of the Oschophoria. The
Oschophoria was a festival celebrated in Attica, according to some
writers celebrated in honour of Athena and Dionysus, according to
others Dionysus and Ariadne. Said to have been instituted by
Theseus, this was a vintage festival, its name derived from the word
for a branch of a vine with grapes.

The Greek myth states that when Theseus left Athens, he took with him
three girls and two boys dresses as girls. After he killed the
Minotaur in the Labyrinth and returned to Athens he was crowned with a
wreath of olive leaves. However, because his father died he put the
crown on his staff and not on his head. The festival of Dionysus was
being commemorated when he returned, and he placed the two boys that
were dressed like women at the front of the procession. Consequently,
in the procession during the Oschophorian celebrations, two men
dressed like women carried vine-branches from the temple of Dionysus
to the temple of Athena Skira. They were accompanied by a herald with
a wreath wrapped around his staff. Also in the procession were women
who carried the sacred foods for the feast. Some of the meat became a
burnt offering for the gods, with the remainder eaten or divided up
for the participants to take home. When the procession reached the
temple, stories were told and many songs sung. The women usually
prepared the dinner and narrated myths. Athletic games were also
played during the Oschophoria.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Apollodorus, Diodorus Siculus, Hyginus, Plutarch, Wikipedia

C. Equitius Cato Iosephus salutem dicit.

Salve Iosephus.

Welcome to the Republic! I am Gaius Equitius Cato (call me "Cato") and
live in the novum caput mundi, Nova Eboracum (NYC). If you need
anything at all please do not hesitate to contact me.

As Tullia Scholastica has mentioned, there is a period of acclimation
(and, of course, the citizenship test) for you to get to know us and
we you; but jump in, read, enjoy, and I think you'll find this a
fascinating corner of the world.

Vale bene,

Cato

EDICTVM•PROPRÆTORICIVM•XXXV (A C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS XVII)
CAIVS•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS•PROPRÆTOR•BRASILIƕOMNIBVS•CIVIBUS•S•P•D

By this edictum, and using my Imperium (given to my by Senatus e
Populusque Romanum), I decide:

I nomeate, for the position of SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS AEDILIS ARANAE the
citizen LVCIVS GRATIVS NERVA (http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?
id=10109).

DATVM•SVB•MANV•MEA•A•D•IV•NON•OCTOBRAS•MMDCCLIX•A•V•C
G•FABIO•BUTEONE•MODIANO•P•MINUCIA-TIBERIA•STRABONE•CONSULIBUS

CAIVS•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS
PROPRAETOR•PROVINCIAE•BRASILIAE
QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
SCRIBA
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

Salvete,

It is most strange not having any candates for the consulship. Perhaps
everyone is expecting the ´last day´, but I cannot see why.

Os perhaps the Republic should be governed by the praetores next year? It
sounds logical, as the ´last´ magistrates with Imperium.

Or, perhaps, the candidates for praetorship will have to be ´upgraded´ for
candidates to consulship? (Uh...)

Or, perhaps, we should choose ten decenviri to make a compilation of all our
laws?

Or, perhaps, we should elect ´Militar Tribuni with Consular Power´?

Or, perhaps, we should make a Dictator obligue someone to candidate himself
for the consulship? :) Ops, just a joke...

Indeed strange...

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus




2006/10/3, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>:

>
> > A. Tullia Scholastica C. Quinctio Flaminio quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am curious as to the qualifications for the various candidacies. I
> joined
> > Nova Roma primarily to support the Religio, but would not be opposed to
> doing
> > what I can for the republic.
> >
> > ATS: Aedilis Sabinus has already answered your question by
> referring you
> > to the relevant messages, but let me put this in a nutshell: in order
> to run
> > for office or serve as an apparitor, one must be assiduus, that is, one
> must
> > pay the tax, though that is waived in the first year of citizenship, and
> one
> > must have been a citizen for at least six months by January first, the
> date
> > for taking office. That, of course, means that probationary citizens,
> and
> > newer full citizens, cannot run for office. There are also age
> requirements
> > which vary with the office sought, and other requirements for the higher
> > offices in particular. All offices require a minimum age of 21,
> however.
> >
> > Gaius Quinctius Flamininus
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Matt Hucke
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:novaroma-announce%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Call for Candidates
> >
> > Citizens! Why so few declarations of candidacy?
> >
> > Thus far, I've seen only one person who wishes to be Praetor, one
> > who wants to be Tribune, and one for the Aedileship.
> >
> > Will no one be Quaestor or Consul next year? And what of the
> > other positions above - these need colleagues, certainly. As
> > does this Censor.
> >
> > Consul Modianus and Tribune Horatianus asked for your declarations
> > by the Nones of October. That is only five days away.
> >
> > Please, if you can contribute, and if you meet the qualifications,
> > stand for office.
> >
> > The election page with the candidate list is:
> >
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29
> >
> > Valete,
> > M. Octavius Gracchus, Censor.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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My fellow Romans,
After observing the coming election candidates, I noticed that none
have petitioned for the position of Quaestor. So after much
deliberation with my council, I have decided to announce my candidacy
for one of the open Quaestor positions. Many of you do not remember
me, and no not of my qualifications. I have held the Office of
Propraetor before and so I understand the inner workings of the
political office. As a military officer myself, I fully understand
the needs for a well balanced political and military advisor. Seeing
that we have no unified legion structure, if elected I shall work
dilligently towards unfiying our scattered legions, propose business
plans to increase State funds, proactivley market Nova Roma and expose
it to new avenues. I am a steadfast and loyal citizen who only seeks
to see the Republic prosper. So, I ask all loyal cives to cast your
vote for M. Pontio Seiano as I shall uphold that sacred duty and see a
return to Roma Mater return to glory.

Vale Bene,
M. Pontio Seiano

Salvete Romani,

There has been a hot discussion on another forum pertaining to the
causes of the fourth crusade in particular, and the crusades in
general, with an emphasis on the role played by the papacy and the
Byzantines regarding faith in these events. This does not directly
relate to Ancient Rome, but it does to New Rome and Rome's Western
successor, the Papacy, and I do not know where else to ask.

I am looking for precise scholarly, reliable online ressources
(easier to access), books, or simply the opinion of an expert among
our citizens. What exactly where the incentives sent by Emperor
Comnenos to Pope Urban II? Did it include a healing of the 1054
schism? How do you see the deep causes of the Crusades? Was it merely
an enterprise to free the Holy Land, or was there afterthoughts by
both the Pope and the Byzantines? Also, and very importantly, what
was Pope Innocent III's role in the fourth crusade, and what was his
reaction?
Finally, and perhaps this is a very controversial question.... Do you
think there was any need for the Pope to apologize in Greece in 2001
to the Orthodox church if the papcy indeed played no leading role in
that crusade?

Thank you all for helping. Keep Old and New Rome United!

Titus Minicius Flamininus.

Salve Tite Minici Flamine,

A few points


1) We who live today should not be responsible or held responsible
for the sins of our fathers and forefathers. This seems to be a
quirk and phenomena that has cropped up over the last 25 years. Not
only religions and their strifes but North American first nations
through to some in the Afro-American communities want similar
apologies for their situation at the hands of the europeans etc.

That being the case, where is my apology from Tony Blair as well as
some financial reparation because my great grandfather lost his
business and got driven out of Ireland during the potatoe famine?_:)

2) Like all wars throughout history, I am sure there were those who
really believed they were doing God's bidding and recieving his
graces to go and fight the Saracens. There were no doubt, others at
the top of the pyramid who saw great economic opportunity and spoils
whilst organizing these adventures. Like in all wars, much of the
population is given propaganda, true or false information to believe.
In those days only the upper crust of society had education and very
few had access to information. There was no internet let alone a
printing press so their ignorance of what really was at the route of
it all is certainly forgivable.

3)I'll leave it to our scholars on this ML to try and explain what
was going on in the medieval minds at this period. People saw the
world and universe in an entirely different light than today (chain
of being). The Roman Catholic church, in many cases wanted to ferret
out and stop the spread of heresy as opposed to witch hunting which
some of its scholars at that time thought was nonsense. I thought
the Greek Orthodox schism came in the 5th century. Anyway perhaps
Roman Catholic countries saw other heresies and offspring religions
as a great threat to the social order of the times much as we saw
the growth of communism, socialism and other new ideologies in our
times.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "phoebusix" <phoebusix@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Romani,
>
> There has been a hot discussion on another forum pertaining to
the
> causes of the fourth crusade in particular, and the crusades in
> general, with an emphasis on the role played by the papacy and the
> Byzantines regarding faith in these events. This does not directly
> relate to Ancient Rome, but it does to New Rome and Rome's Western
> successor, the Papacy, and I do not know where else to ask.
>
> I am looking for precise scholarly, reliable online ressources
> (easier to access), books, or simply the opinion of an expert
among
> our citizens. What exactly where the incentives sent by Emperor
> Comnenos to Pope Urban II? Did it include a healing of the 1054
> schism? How do you see the deep causes of the Crusades? Was it
merely
> an enterprise to free the Holy Land, or was there afterthoughts by
> both the Pope and the Byzantines? Also, and very importantly, what
> was Pope Innocent III's role in the fourth crusade, and what was
his
> reaction?
> Finally, and perhaps this is a very controversial question.... Do
you
> think there was any need for the Pope to apologize in Greece in
2001
> to the Orthodox church if the papcy indeed played no leading role
in
> that crusade?
>
> Thank you all for helping. Keep Old and New Rome United!
>
> Titus Minicius Flamininus.
>

RENVNTIATIO III PRAESCRIPTORIS ACADEMIAE THVLES


ANNOUNCEMENT III BY the Praescriptor Academiae Thules ad S.R.A. et N.

As a result of the increased activity in the Academia Thules it is my
ambition to recruit more co-workers and to find ways to spread the
burdens of work among those already active at the Academia.

Academiae Thules rebus auctis studeo plures collegas cooptare
invenireque modos ut laboris onera inter eos qui Academiae jam dant
operam distribuantur.

As a result of the need to strengthen the Academia Thules I have
decided to re-appoint Emilia Curia Finnica as Scriba Aranearia with
the responsibility for the web-site of the Academia.

Cum necesse sit Academiam Thules roborare, Emiliam Curiam Finnicam
scribam araneariam iterum creare decrevi, cui Academiae situs
interretialis curae sit.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senator, Censorius et Consularis
Accensus GFBM, Scriba Censoris GEM
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete citizens!

I fully appreciate the candidacy of C. Arminius
Reccanellus for the Tribuneship, although I as a
Patrician can't vote fore him!

>CAIVS•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS•PROPRAETOR•BRASILIAE•OMNIBVS•CIVIBUS•S•P•D
>
>I'm here today to announce my candidacy for position of Tribune of
>the Plebs.
>
>I'm a Citizen of Nova Roma since July of MMDCCLVII.A.V.C (2004) and I
>am Assidui for this year of MMDCCLIX.A.V.C (2006). In this moment I'm
>i) Propraetor Provinciae Brasiliae
>(http://www.marcius.felix.nom.br/main.php), ii) Quaestor Novae Romae
>(with a "consistent, meticulous work in managing the tax
>data"[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/45391%5d, as said
>by Consul Pompeia) and iii) Scriba of Titus Marcius Felix's work in
>Aquila Journal.
>
>I know I can do a good job as Tribune of the Plebs and I ask for your
>vote!
>
>Valete
>C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS
>======================
>PROPRAETOR•PROVINCIAE•BRASILIAE
>QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
>SCRIBA
>"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

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Vale

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Senator, Censorius et Consularis
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Civis Romanus sum
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

F. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

I believe that the best solution due the lack of candidates would be to have the Senate select decemviri to act as Consuls for one year while they rework the existing leges into a more compact body of legislation. Unfortunately, I cannot run for office this year as I gave an oath that I would not run after two politicians implied certain untruths about a prior post of mine. I would happily volunteer to assist the decemviri in any capacity to help restructure NR's by-laws.


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From: lafaustus@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Call for Candidates


Salvete,

It is most strange not having any candates for the consulship. Perhaps
everyone is expecting the ´last day´, but I cannot see why.

Os perhaps the Republic should be governed by the praetores next year? It
sounds logical, as the ´last´ magistrates with Imperium.

Or, perhaps, the candidates for praetorship will have to be ´upgraded´ for
candidates to consulship? (Uh...)

Or, perhaps, we should choose ten decenviri to make a compilation of all our
laws?

Or, perhaps, we should elect ´Militar Tribuni with Consular Power´?

Or, perhaps, we should make a Dictator obligue someone to candidate himself
for the consulship? :) Ops, just a joke...

Indeed strange...

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus




2006/10/3, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>:

>
> > A. Tullia Scholastica C. Quinctio Flaminio quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am curious as to the qualifications for the various candidacies. I
> joined
> > Nova Roma primarily to support the Religio, but would not be opposed to
> doing
> > what I can for the republic.
> >
> > ATS: Aedilis Sabinus has already answered your question by
> referring you
> > to the relevant messages, but let me put this in a nutshell: in order
> to run
> > for office or serve as an apparitor, one must be assiduus, that is, one
> must
> > pay the tax, though that is waived in the first year of citizenship, and
> one
> > must have been a citizen for at least six months by January first, the
> date
> > for taking office. That, of course, means that probationary citizens,
> and
> > newer full citizens, cannot run for office. There are also age
> requirements
> > which vary with the office sought, and other requirements for the higher
> > offices in particular. All offices require a minimum age of 21,
> however.
> >
> > Gaius Quinctius Flamininus
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Matt Hucke
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:novaroma-announce%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Call for Candidates
> >
> > Citizens! Why so few declarations of candidacy?
> >
> > Thus far, I've seen only one person who wishes to be Praetor, one
> > who wants to be Tribune, and one for the Aedileship.
> >
> > Will no one be Quaestor or Consul next year? And what of the
> > other positions above - these need colleagues, certainly. As
> > does this Censor.
> >
> > Consul Modianus and Tribune Horatianus asked for your declarations
> > by the Nones of October. That is only five days away.
> >
> > Please, if you can contribute, and if you meet the qualifications,
> > stand for office.
> >
> > The election page with the candidate list is:
> >
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29
> >
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Thank you for this series of fascinating posts!

C. Maria Caeca

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Salve Uncle FGA,

Who cares what two politicians said or implied about you? Those things never
stopped me ha ha!
You'd make a fine magistrate and we need you. Please reconsider.
Vale,
Diana

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Salve F. Galerius Aurelianus

My dear cousin

I agree with Diana Octavia Aventina.

Your services are needed now. Please stand for election to the
office you feel your talents can best be used for the betterment of
the Republic.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulins


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<romanbabe@...> wrote:

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> Salve Uncle FGA,
>
> Who cares what two politicians said or implied about you? Those

things never

> stopped me ha ha!
> You'd make a fine magistrate and we need you. Please reconsider.
> Vale,
> Diana
>
>
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> >
> >
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>
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Salvete Quirites omnes

The Comitia Plebis Tributa shall seek to elect five new Tribuni
Plebis and two Aediles Plebis, to take office beinging 10 December
2006.

Thus far only one person, C. Arminius Reccanullus, has officially
announced his candidacy to become Tribunus Plebis.

In order to qualify to become a candidate for Tribunus Plebis one
must be a Civis, in good standing, for at least six full months
before taking office, of the Plebeian Order, Assidui, and at least
25 years of age by AUC 2759 a. d. IV Idus Dec (10 Dec 2006).

In order to become a candidate for Aedilis Plebis one must be a
Civis, in good standing, for at least six full months before taking
office on 10 Dec 2006. He or she must be of the Plebeian Order,
Assidui, and at least 21 years of age before taking office.
Candidates for Aedilis Plebis must also have served at least six
months as a Tribunus Plebis, Quaestor, Magister Aranearius, Editor
Commentariorum, or Propraetor, or the candidate must demonstrate
that he or she has served as a scriba to one of the current Aediles
Plebis for at least six months.


Announcements of candidacy for Plebeian offices must be made before
the Comitia Plebis Tributa. So if you are not already subscribed,
you will have to join the ComitiaPlebisTributa list at Yahoo Groups,
or else contact one of our current Aediles Plebis about subscribing
to the CPT list. Thay are Julilla Sempronia
julilla@... and Marca Hortensia rory12001@...
Also you must declare your candidacy to any one of the current
Tribuni Plebis, these being

M Arminius Maior marminius@...
C Vipsanius Agrippa vipsaniusagrippa@...
Cn Salvius Astur cn.salvius.astur@...
Q Suetonius Paulinus mjk@...
M Moravius Piscinus mhoratius@...


The deadline for announcing your candidacy is 5 Oct. Midnight CET.
This deadline may be extended if not enough candidates are found to
fill all of the vacant offices.

Valete et bonam habete Fortunam
M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
Tribunus Plebis

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem III Nones Octobris; haec dies comitialis est.

"M. Fabius Dorsuo and Ser. Sulpicius Camerinus were the next consuls.
A sudden raid by the Auruncans led to a war with that people. Fears
were entertained that more than one city was concerned in this, that
in fact it had been planned by the entire Latin League. To meet all
Latium in arms L. Furius Camillus was nominated Dictator; he appointed
Cnaeus Manlius Capitolinus Master of the Horse. As usual in great and
sudden alarms a suspension of all business was proclaimed and the
enlistment was made without any claims to exemption being allowed;
when it was completed the legions were marched as rapidly as possible
against the Auruncans. They showed the temper of marauders rather than
of soldiers, and the war was finished in the very first battle. But as
they had begun the war without any provocation and had shown no
reluctance to accept battle, the Dictator thought it his duty to
secure the help of the gods, and during the actual fighting he vowed a
temple to Juno Moneta. On his victorious return to Rome, he resigned
his Dictatorship to discharge his vow. The senate ordered two
commissioners to be appointed to carry out the construction of that
temple in a style commensurate with the greatness of the Roman people,
and a site was marked out in the Citadel where the house of M. Manlius
Capitolinus had stood. The consuls employed the Dictator's army in
war with the Volscians and took from them by a coup-de-main the city
of Sora.

The temple of Moneta was dedicated in the following year, when C.
Marcius Rutilus was consul for the third time and T. Manlius Torquatus
for the second. A portent followed close on the dedication similar to
the old portent on the Alban Mount; a shower of stones fell and night
seemed to stretch its curtain over the day. The citizens were filled
with dread at this supernatural occurrence, and after the Sibylline
Books had been consulted the senate decided upon the appointment of a
Dictator to arrange the ceremonial observances for the ap- pointed
days. P. Valerius Publicola was nominated and Q. Fabius Ambustus was
appointed Master of the Horse. It was arranged that not only the Roman
tribes but also the neighbour- ing populations should take part in the
public intercessions, and the order of the days which each was to
observe was definitely laid down. There were prosecutions this year
of moneylenders by the aediles, and heavy sentences are stated to have
been passed on them by the people. For some reason, which is not
recorded, matters reverted to an interregnum. As, however, it ended in
the election of two patrician consuls, this would appear to be the
reason why it was resorted to. The new consuls were M. Valerius Corvus
(for the third time) and A. Cornelius Cossus." - Livy, History of Rome
7.28


On this day the rite of mundus (Mania) was performed, in which an
effigy representing the sky was placed upside down in a pit and and
covered with a large stone called the lapis manalis. Three times a
year, including today, the stone was removed to alow the spirits of
the underworld access to the upper regions of the earth.

In Roman mythology, it was believed that the entrances to the
afterworld were also very real locations, called the Mundus, and the
one in Rome was called the mundus Cereris (the exact location is no
longer known). This was a pit, which was capped off by a stone called
the Lapis Manalis except on three days of ill omen (August 24th,
October 5th, and November 8th). On these days, the lid was lifted to
expose the ostium orci, the Gate to Hades, and to release the manes,
spirits of the Roman dead. The collective di manes (divine dead) were
considered potent spirits that needed appeasing, and additional
holidays throughout the year were celebrated to appease them, usually
on odd numbered days of ill luck. Mania was the goddess of the
underworld, mother or caretaker to the lesser deities of the lares.
She was also revered on May 11th during this period, during which time
charms called mania (plural maniae) were placed on the doors of houses
(as a ward, perhaps) against this goddess, who had the characteristics
of a "boogey-man" in Roman lore.

Valete bene!

Cato


SOURCES

Livy, Mania (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/mania_2.html)

Cato T. Minicio Flaminio sal.

Salve Minicius Flaminus!

I think the pope was apologizing for the general fact that Roman
Catholic forces, under the command of the doge of Venice, attacked and
brought to ruin the greatest City in the known world at the time - the
greatest Christian city in history, and the flower of the culture of
the Eastern (now known as the "Byzantine") Empire. In fact the pope
at the time, Innocent III, excommunicated the leaders of the combined
forces that committed this atrocity against fellow (though not in
communion) Christians, saying:

"You vowed to liberate the Holy Land but you rashly turned away from
the purity of your vow when you took up arms not against Saracens but
Christians...The Greek Church has seen in the Latins nothing other
than an example of affliction and the works of Hell, so that now it
rightly detests them more than dogs".

I would very strongly recommend Sir Steven Runciman's "The History of
The Crusades" as a basic primer on all things Crusade-esque; another
good resource is Sir John Julius Norwich's
"The History of Byzantium", which comes in an exhaustive 3-volume set
or as a single condensed version.

Vale bene,

Cato

Salve,

Well, the romans had regret dearly the decemviri, since it felt into a
tyranny. (And the decemviri were elected by the Comitia Centuriata, since
they had Imperium Maior.) It is hard to find two consules, I imagine ten
legislatores...

And the decemviri were made to create laws, not to make ´fusions´. NR has a
very good set of legal system. It needs a constituion reform, however,
nothing 'decemviri-like' effort. The reforms will go throught the natural
path of the system.


Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus



2006/10/4, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...>:

>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.
>
> I believe that the best solution due the lack of candidates would be to
> have the Senate select decemviri to act as Consuls for one year while they
> rework the existing leges into a more compact body of
> legislation. Unfortunately, I cannot run for office this year as I gave an
> oath that I would not run after two politicians implied certain untruths
> about a prior post of mine. I would happily volunteer to assist the
> decemviri in any capacity to help restructure NR's by-laws.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lafaustus@...
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Call for Candidates
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> It is most strange not having any candates for the consulship. Perhaps
> everyone is expecting the ´last day´, but I cannot see why.
>
> Os perhaps the Republic should be governed by the praetores next year? It
> sounds logical, as the ´last´ magistrates with Imperium.
>
> Or, perhaps, the candidates for praetorship will have to be ´upgraded´ for
> candidates to consulship? (Uh...)
>
> Or, perhaps, we should choose ten decenviri to make a compilation of all
> our
> laws?
>
> Or, perhaps, we should elect ´Militar Tribuni with Consular Power´?
>
> Or, perhaps, we should make a Dictator obligue someone to candidate
> himself
> for the consulship? :) Ops, just a joke...
>
> Indeed strange...
>
> Valete bene in pacem deorum,
> L. Arminius Faustus
>
>
>
>
> 2006/10/3, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>:
> >
> > > A. Tullia Scholastica C. Quinctio Flaminio quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis
> > S.P.D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am curious as to the qualifications for the various candidacies. I
> > joined
> > > Nova Roma primarily to support the Religio, but would not be opposed
> to
> > doing
> > > what I can for the republic.
> > >
> > > ATS: Aedilis Sabinus has already answered your question by
> > referring you
> > > to the relevant messages, but let me put this in a nutshell: in order
> > to run
> > > for office or serve as an apparitor, one must be assiduus, that is,
> one
> > must
> > > pay the tax, though that is waived in the first year of citizenship,
> and
> > one
> > > must have been a citizen for at least six months by January first, the
> > date
> > > for taking office. That, of course, means that probationary citizens,
> > and
> > > newer full citizens, cannot run for office. There are also age
> > requirements
> > > which vary with the office sought, and other requirements for the
> higher
> > > offices in particular. All offices require a minimum age of 21,
> > however.
> > >
> > > Gaius Quinctius Flamininus
> > >
> > > Vale, et valete.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Matt Hucke
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Cc: novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:novaroma-announce%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Call for Candidates
> > >
> > > Citizens! Why so few declarations of candidacy?
> > >
> > > Thus far, I've seen only one person who wishes to be Praetor, one
> > > who wants to be Tribune, and one for the Aedileship.
> > >
> > > Will no one be Quaestor or Consul next year? And what of the
> > > other positions above - these need colleagues, certainly. As
> > > does this Censor.
> > >
> > > Consul Modianus and Tribune Horatianus asked for your declarations
> > > by the Nones of October. That is only five days away.
> > >
> > > Please, if you can contribute, and if you meet the qualifications,
> > > stand for office.
> > >
> > > The election page with the candidate list is:
> > >
> > > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > > M. Octavius Gracchus, Censor.
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Can't do it. My oath is my bond. The only person in Nova Roma who could release me from my freely given oath is the Pontifex Maximus. Furthermore, I would need a private apology from Q. Fabius Maximus and Gn. Equitius Marinus withdrawing their statements against me before I would consider running for an office.

Aurelianus


-----Original Message-----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] F. Galerius Aurelianus


Salve F. Galerius Aurelianus

My dear cousin

I agree with Diana Octavia Aventina.

Your services are needed now. Please stand for election to the
office you feel your talents can best be used for the betterment of
the Republic.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulins


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Octavia Aventina"
<romanbabe@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Uncle FGA,
>
> Who cares what two politicians said or implied about you? Those

things never

> stopped me ha ha!
> You'd make a fine magistrate and we need you. Please reconsider.
> Vale,
> Diana
>
>
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> >
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A. Apollonius omnibus sal.

I entirely agree with L. Arminius: if we don't get any consules, choosing decemviri would be both impractical and undesirable.

Of course the only correct Roman response to the absence of consules is the appointment of an interrex. There is no other option.





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Salvette Omne,
It seems I am in a posting mood today, or rather, work is slow, so I
wanted to know if anyone has played the new Caesar IV. At any given
time at home, I am either playing Rome:Total War or CivCity Rome.
Both have there plusses and minuses, but its great to recreate the
republic or just a single city. So if you have played Caesar IV, let
me know as I am considering buying it.

Vale
M. Pontius Sejanus

For the first time I actually entered the Harpax store, and I must say
that I am very impressed. I see al sizable amount of my next paycheck
going there. I am a proud member of NR and so wearing a NR
sweatshirt, while drinking my coffee from my NR mug and twirling my NR
keyring sounds good to me. Can't forget to get a stack of coins while
i'm there. Once again, it is so nice to see our nation creating
marketable goods.

M. Pontius Sejanus

Salve,

However, I�m certain that in the last day we will have plenty candidates.

If the Senate nominate an Interrex, he would have a very brief mandate,
like, two weeks, just to call new elections. Another Interrex would be
choosen if the first mandate expires. I think there wouldn�t re-assigninment
on Interrex.

Indeed the praetores assumes in the absence of the consules. However, if we
hadn�t any consul created (created there is the true roman term), how the
Imperium Minor of the praetor act? Hum...

Indeed, interrex is the best choice.

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus

2006/10/5, A. Apollonius Cordus <a_apollonius_cordus@...>:

>
>
> A. Apollonius omnibus sal.
>
> I entirely agree with L. Arminius: if we don't get any consules, choosing
> decemviri would be both impractical and undesirable.
>
> Of course the only correct Roman response to the absence of consules is
> the appointment of an interrex. There is no other option.
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Prop. Harpax.biz

legio_vi_tribunis <legio_vi_tribunis@...> wrote:
For the first time I actually entered the Harpax store, and I must say
that I am very impressed. I see al sizable amount of my next paycheck
going there. I am a proud member of NR and so wearing a NR
sweatshirt, while drinking my coffee from my NR mug and twirling my NR
keyring sounds good to me. Can't forget to get a stack of coins while
i'm there. Once again, it is so nice to see our nation creating
marketable goods.

M. Pontius Sejanus






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Salve Nova Romans

I had intended to reframe from standing for office this year but
with the lack of candidates, I have decided to stand for Consul.

This notice is meant to fulfill the legal requirement to announce my
intentions to stand.

In a few days I will post a longer announcement outlining some of my
goals in this campaign.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Candidate for Consul



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> The call for candidates is being issued earlier this year to

ensure there is

> plenty of time to hold the elections, and to allow for the current

year's

> magistrates to offer assistance to next years magistrates to

ensure a smooth

> transition.
>
> Please announce your candidacy to the Nova Roma main e-mail list

and to

> either myself or my colleague Pompeia Minucia Strabo (
> pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...). Anyone wishing to serve in any of

these

> offices must have been a citizen for at least six months by Kal.

Ian. 2760

> (January 1st, 2007) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen.

Candidates

> will not be accepted who do not announce their candidacy to the

public

> forum. All candidates who announce their candidacy will be

acknowledged as

> a candidate either in private or in public by either Pompeia

Minucia Strabo

> or myself.
>
> Candidates will be accepted until October 7th, 2006 – this time

period may

> be extended if necessary.
>
> Candidates are solicited for the following Offices:
>
> 1 CENSOR: Must be at least 27 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760

(January 1st,

> 2007). Must already have served at least six months as a consul,

praetor,

> aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius (formerly

curator

> araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly curator differum),

rogator, or

> provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
>
> 2 CONSULS: Must be at least 27 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760

(January 1st,

> 2007). Must already have served at least six months as a consul,

praetor,

> aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius (formerly

curator

> araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly curator differum),

rogator, or

> provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
>
> 2 PRAETORS: Must be at least 25 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760

(January

> 1st, 2007). Must already have served at least six months as a

consul,

> praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius

(formerly

> curator araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly curator

differum),

> rogator, or provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
>
> 2 CURULE AEDILES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian.

2760

> (January 1st, 2007). Must be assiduus.
>
> 8 QUAESTORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760

(January

> 1st, 2007). Must be assiduus.
>
> 2 ROGATORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760

(January

> 1st, 2007). Must be assiduus.
>
> 4 DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760

(January

> 1st, 2007). Must be assiduus.
>
> 2 CUSTODES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760

(January

> 1st, 2007). Must be assiduus.
>
> Valete:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
> Pompeia Minucia Strabo
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve M. Ponti Sejane,

Like the Dutchman says on those ING bank commercials," Couldn't have
said it better myself."
Fortunately I live in the same city as Agrippa, saw him in person
and I drastically lightened my wallet last month purchasing T and
sweat shirts. It is a good way to promote NR.

Regards,

QSP




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "legio_vi_tribunis"
<legio_vi_tribunis@...> wrote:

>
> For the first time I actually entered the Harpax store, and I must

say

> that I am very impressed. I see al sizable amount of my next

paycheck

> going there. I am a proud member of NR and so wearing a NR
> sweatshirt, while drinking my coffee from my NR mug and twirling

my NR

> keyring sounds good to me. Can't forget to get a stack of coins

while

> i'm there. Once again, it is so nice to see our nation creating
> marketable goods.
>
> M. Pontius Sejanus
>

I too have found Rome:Total War and CivCity Rome interesting. Latest
goal with CivRome has been to see how many palaces I can get up and
running. 16 is my best to date on a custom map. Have you tried Glory
of the Roman Empire? It provides a nice relaxed feel to my sense of
the Republic. As far as Caesar IV, well, I have to say I want to love
it as I did Caesar III but I am finding it very frustrating even on
easy level. Very hard to move the view around and awkward to place
buildings on anything other than a straight line. On level 3 Gaul no
matter what pace I work at I seem to run out of money and even though
I get in the black again quickly, my favor with Rome drops and the
blue legions come and get me. (I did put up a pretty good fight last
time) I think I need the "well" cheat to get enough cash to get me
over the hump.

Semper Fi

m. vipsanius




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "legio_vi_tribunis"
<legio_vi_tribunis@...> wrote:

>
> Salvette Omne,
> It seems I am in a posting mood today, or rather, work is slow, so I
> wanted to know if anyone has played the new Caesar IV. At any given
> time at home, I am either playing Rome:Total War or CivCity Rome.
> Both have there plusses and minuses, but its great to recreate the
> republic or just a single city. So if you have played Caesar IV, let
> me know as I am considering buying it.
>
> Vale
> M. Pontius Sejanus
>

Salve Tiberi Galeri Pauline,

The concept of taking a year off between offices is no doubt very
Roman but quite impractical for the time being judging from the low
candidate turnout over the last two years.

Also I would ask our citizens to contact a potential candidate
privately if they have concerns about him or her running for a
particular office. With such a shortage of candidates it may be
necessary to let some people learn as they go and fly by the seat of
their pants since no one else with great experience is stepping up
to the plate; in short we ought not to demoralize newbies or
candidates that lack experience. There are enough sharp minds here
in NR that can advise and coach people as they go along. As an
analogy, do you have to be a top notch lawyer, have a PHD in global
economics or have been a supreme court judge to be president of the
US or primeminister of Canada? Not bloody likely!

I salute your decision to reconsider and step up to the plate.

Regards,

QSP








--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Nova Romans
>
> I had intended to reframe from standing for office this year but
> with the lack of candidates, I have decided to stand for Consul.
>
> This notice is meant to fulfill the legal requirement to announce

my

> intentions to stand.
>
> In a few days I will post a longer announcement outlining some of

my

> goals in this campaign.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Candidate for Consul
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
> <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
> >
> > The call for candidates is being issued earlier this year to
> ensure there is
> > plenty of time to hold the elections, and to allow for the

current

> year's
> > magistrates to offer assistance to next years magistrates to
> ensure a smooth
> > transition.
> >
> > Please announce your candidacy to the Nova Roma main e-mail list
> and to
> > either myself or my colleague Pompeia Minucia Strabo (
> > pompeia_minucia_tiberia@). Anyone wishing to serve in any of
> these
> > offices must have been a citizen for at least six months by Kal.
> Ian. 2760
> > (January 1st, 2007) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen.
> Candidates
> > will not be accepted who do not announce their candidacy to the
> public
> > forum. All candidates who announce their candidacy will be
> acknowledged as
> > a candidate either in private or in public by either Pompeia
> Minucia Strabo
> > or myself.
> >
> > Candidates will be accepted until October 7th, 2006 – this time
> period may
> > be extended if necessary.
> >
> > Candidates are solicited for the following Offices:
> >
> > 1 CENSOR: Must be at least 27 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760
> (January 1st,
> > 2007). Must already have served at least six months as a consul,
> praetor,
> > aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius

(formerly

> curator
> > araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly curator differum),
> rogator, or
> > provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
> >
> > 2 CONSULS: Must be at least 27 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760
> (January 1st,
> > 2007). Must already have served at least six months as a consul,
> praetor,
> > aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius

(formerly

> curator
> > araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly curator differum),
> rogator, or
> > provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
> >
> > 2 PRAETORS: Must be at least 25 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760
> (January
> > 1st, 2007). Must already have served at least six months as a
> consul,
> > praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius
> (formerly
> > curator araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly curator
> differum),
> > rogator, or provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
> >
> > 2 CURULE AEDILES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian.
> 2760
> > (January 1st, 2007). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > 8 QUAESTORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian.

2760

> (January
> > 1st, 2007). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > 2 ROGATORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760
> (January
> > 1st, 2007). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > 4 DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian.

2760

> (January
> > 1st, 2007). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > 2 CUSTODES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2760
> (January
> > 1st, 2007). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > Valete:
> >
> > Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
> > Pompeia Minucia Strabo
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

I imagen this topic has crossed the boards before but being a NG I was
wondering what other minds think of Simon's books starting with Under
the Eagle? There seems to be a slight comic book style to it but it's
fun..especially to have a character placed into the history to make it
alive. The interpersonal legion relationships of who the bullies are
and the Certurion's discipline is somewhat reminiscent of my early
USMC days when they allowed the DI to knock your head( and many other
body parts)

Semper Fi

m.vipsanius

Salve M. Vipsani,

I don't think the praetors mind us going a little off topic so long
as the issue does not become contentious or divisive.

I haven't read this series but it sounds interesting and I'll take a
look. I would also like to suggest the Flashman series by George
MacDonald Fraser which are about the adventures of the notorious
school bully, Flashman in Thomas Hughes', "Tom Brown's School Days".
after he is expelled from Rugby School in the 1830's. A cheat, liar,
lecherer and especially a craven coward, he rises up to the rank of
Colonel over the Victorian age and always comes out of dreadful
situations smelling like a rose. The author gives a hell of a lesson
on the history of the British Empire and footnotes and citations are
well done, You'll learn a lot on that history to be sure.

With regards to bullying, I was always taught (by some tough nuns)
to develop a very Stoic approach by confronting the problems,
standing up for yourself, taking self-defence etc. Like many
children, I had my terrifying days and three o'clock highs. I am not
talking about knives or guns, but verbal abuse with a few fist&
cuffs are part of life which we must learn to deal with. The
philosophy in my school back then, in the early 60's was that if you
are in a beautiful setting, everyone is kissy, huggy and you are
treated like a prince or princess with unconditional love for your
first 18 years then how in the name of the gods, are you going to
face the real world when you get out? Earlier toughening up will
perpare you for back stabbing, harmful gossip, job loss, economic
misfortunes, ugly divorces, family strife, personal tradgedies and
many other disappointments in adult life. In a nutshell I believe
getting bullied at times helps strengthen character. I am not
entirely in agreement with the bullying policies of the school
system today on this matter. Maybe the Spartans and Stoic Romans
like Marcus Aurelius had not too bad an approach in handling life.


Regards,

QSP










--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "m.vipsanius" <jmarigel2@...>
wrote:

>
> I imagen this topic has crossed the boards before but being a NG I

was

> wondering what other minds think of Simon's books starting with

Under

> the Eagle? There seems to be a slight comic book style to it but

it's

> fun..especially to have a character placed into the history to

make it

> alive. The interpersonal legion relationships of who the bullies

are

> and the Certurion's discipline is somewhat reminiscent of my early
> USMC days when they allowed the DI to knock your head( and many

other

> body parts)
>
> Semper Fi
>
> m.vipsanius
>

Salvete Quirites !

I, Gaius Marius Maior, stay in front of you to announce my candidacy
for quaestura.
I'm Nova Roma citizen starting with 25 Junius 2758 a.U.c and I'm
assidui.
My activity was with preponderance inside the province, where I
participated to the local events, coordinating the new citizens'
activities.
In the same time, as Dacia Procurator, I was responsible with the
tax collection in province.
In my life I'm former officer and in present I'm working in the
press domain.
I want to dedicate my abilities for the Republic interests. For
that, with respect, I ask you to take in consideration my candidacy
and to vote me.

Optime Valete,
Marius Maior
Procurator Dacia

legio_vi_tribunis escribió:

>
> Salvette Omne,
> It seems I am in a posting mood today, or rather, work is slow, so I
> wanted to know if anyone has played the new Caesar IV. At any given
> time at home, I am either playing Rome:Total War or CivCity Rome.
> Both have there plusses and minuses, but its great to recreate the
> republic or just a single city. So if you have played Caesar IV, let
> me know as I am considering buying it.
>
> Vale
> M. Pontius Sejanus
>
>

Salve M.Pontius Sejanus, et salvete omnes

I'm Gaius Iulius Caesar Nasica, and i am a citizen from Costa Rica,
Central America.
I haven't played Caesar IV yet, but i have Caesar III and it's one of my
favorite games,
because is funny to be a great Roman Governor for a while (lol!).
I hope will soon have Caesar IV to see what has changed.

Vale bene

Gaius Iulius Caesar Nasica

Salve,
As I read through the posts throughout the day, I seem to see a lack
of individuals who wish to seek governmental offices. Are we seeing a
lack of interest, or are there internal struggles amongst people? As
for myself, I am a dedicated member and one who wishes to see our
nation prosper. I have recently submitted myself for the position of
Quaestor, but feel that the needs of the nation supercede that of
myself. So with that being said, I offer myself to the service of the
republic in any capacity. As to what I can offer, I have my Masters
in Business, along with my Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
(MCSE), my MCSA, my CCNA, and my CCNP. I have the time and attention
to devote to the Republic. If necessary, I know how to market NR to
public by organizing events and publicity. Since I happen to work for
Harrahs Entertainment (i.e:Harrahs, Bally's,Rio,Caesars Palace) it
would not be hard to hold a conclave here at the Palace. If any
esteemed members of the Senate wish to call upon me for any position,
I will respond. For the time being, I stand ready to serve the Republic.

M. Pontius Sejanus
ROMA INVICTUS

Salve Sejane, et salvete quirites,

M. Pontius Sejanus <legio_vi_tribunis@...> writes:

> I seem to see a lack
> of individuals who wish to seek governmental offices. Are we seeing a
> lack of interest, or are there internal struggles amongst people?

I know that several people are considering running for different offices and
have not yet made public announcements. Perhaps you'll see something more by
the weekend.

For myself, having been continuously in curule office since November of 2002,
I've promised my wife a break from it all next year. I'm willing to help as
someone's scribe or accensus, and of course I'll be active in the senate, but
otherwise I'll be stepping back and letting someone else take the reins of
government for a while.

Vale, et valete,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

--- legio_vi_tribunis <legio_vi_tribunis@...> wrote:

> Salve,
> As I read through the posts throughout the day, I seem to see a lack
> of individuals who wish to seek governmental offices. Are we seeing a
> lack of interest, or are there internal struggles amongst people? As
> for myself, I am a dedicated member and one who wishes to see our
> nation prosper.

I fear that there may be more to it than that.

I made a request for citizenship since 2003. I made attempts to contact the head of my
gens. Neither proved fruitful. After a while I gave up.

Now I will be frank - I have had no interest in seeking governmental office. That may
stem from my long involvement in the SCA *wry smile*. At any rate, there are other ways
that I can serve.

But I need my citizenship first.

Could something be done about that? If that can be rectified, then I can give runing
more serious thought.

in service

Lucia Tullia Vatia
Citizen ID#: 4682
+++++++++++++++++++++++++


Kristine

http://www.kmaitland.ca
Black History -- burlesque, ballet and beyond

http://www.kristinemaitland.com
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Salvete Quirites omnes

A correction to my post of earlier this morning. The deadline to
announce candidacies for Plebeian offices is 1159 PM CET on 7 Oct
rather than 5 Oct.

Valete optime
M Moravius Piscinus
Tribunus Plebis


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete Quirites omnes
>
> The Comitia Plebis Tributa shall seek to elect five new Tribuni
> Plebis and two Aediles Plebis, to take office beinging 10 December
> 2006.
>
> Thus far only one person, C. Arminius Reccanullus, has officially
> announced his candidacy to become Tribunus Plebis.
>
> In order to qualify to become a candidate for Tribunus Plebis one
> must be a Civis, in good standing, for at least six full months
> before taking office, of the Plebeian Order, Assidui, and at least
> 25 years of age by AUC 2759 a. d. IV Idus Dec (10 Dec 2006).
>
> In order to become a candidate for Aedilis Plebis one must be a
> Civis, in good standing, for at least six full months before taking
> office on 10 Dec 2006. He or she must be of the Plebeian Order,
> Assidui, and at least 21 years of age before taking office.
> Candidates for Aedilis Plebis must also have served at least six
> months as a Tribunus Plebis, Quaestor, Magister Aranearius, Editor
> Commentariorum, or Propraetor, or the candidate must demonstrate
> that he or she has served as a scriba to one of the current

Aediles

> Plebis for at least six months.
>
>
> Announcements of candidacy for Plebeian offices must be made

before

> the Comitia Plebis Tributa. So if you are not already subscribed,
> you will have to join the ComitiaPlebisTributa list at Yahoo

Groups,

> or else contact one of our current Aediles Plebis about

subscribing

> to the CPT list. Thay are Julilla Sempronia
> julilla@... and Marca Hortensia rory12001@...
> Also you must declare your candidacy to any one of the current
> Tribuni Plebis, these being
>
> M Arminius Maior marminius@...
> C Vipsanius Agrippa vipsaniusagrippa@...
> Cn Salvius Astur cn.salvius.astur@...
> Q Suetonius Paulinus mjk@...
> M Moravius Piscinus mhoratius@...
>
>
> The deadline for announcing your candidacy is 5 Oct. Midnight

CET.

> This deadline may be extended if not enough candidates are found

to

> fill all of the vacant offices.
>
> Valete et bonam habete Fortunam
> M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
> Tribunus Plebis
>

Salve,

In fact, it seems the lack of faction struggles makes the lack of
candidates.

When there is struggle, there is passion, there is people trying to avoid
people on magistratures, there is the shame by not making good things. We
must see this good colateral effect of the struggle, besides many attrition
and arguing, passion raises. There are more options for people choosing.

When everything is too peaceful... magistratures get a bit burocratic... and
boring...

Funny, isnt? This is a lesson... there isn´t anything fully evil under the
sun.
Clashing, humans learn to soften their sharp edges of personality.

That is perhaps why some people says is good small children have pets. By
beating/crushing the pet, and receiving a bite back, it learns 'not
everything is allowed' :)

When Carthago was destroyed, a wise senator forecasted the decadence of the
Republic... because Rome would lose the shame to be compared to another
power.

(However, I´m confident the candidates will show themselves in the next
hours. NR still is full of passion. Perhaps people just have learned how to
behave on Main List !!!)

"If any esteemed members of the Senate wish to call upon me for any
position,
I will respond."

So, as a senator (but just a small senator praetoris), I call you, oh
quirite! Candidate yourself to anything you are ready according the roman
cursum honorum! Serve the Republic with your passion!

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus

PS - Surely somebody will angry reply me saying with a looong and formal
post ´You should not mock the peace of the Republic and making an apology to
struggles and faction !!!´. Eeheheh... I´m not making apologies... I just
miss the good years back when we had a real fight for the consulship, and
plenty candidates to choose well...

However... just a question of hours... a lesser goddess told me in my ear...


2006/10/5, legio_vi_tribunis <legio_vi_tribunis@...>:

>
> Salve,
> As I read through the posts throughout the day, I seem to see a lack
> of individuals who wish to seek governmental offices. Are we seeing a
> lack of interest, or are there internal struggles amongst people? As
> for myself, I am a dedicated member and one who wishes to see our
> nation prosper. I have recently submitted myself for the position of
> Quaestor, but feel that the needs of the nation supercede that of
> myself. So with that being said, I offer myself to the service of the
> republic in any capacity. As to what I can offer, I have my Masters
> in Business, along with my Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
> (MCSE), my MCSA, my CCNA, and my CCNP. I have the time and attention
> to devote to the Republic. If necessary, I know how to market NR to
> public by organizing events and publicity. Since I happen to work for
> Harrahs Entertainment (i.e:Harrahs, Bally's,Rio,Caesars Palace) it
> would not be hard to hold a conclave here at the Palace. If any
> esteemed members of the Senate wish to call upon me for any position,
> I will respond. For the time being, I stand ready to serve the Republic.
>
> M. Pontius Sejanus
> ROMA INVICTUS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Luci Tullia, et salvete Quirites,

I've written privately to Lucia Tullia Vatia, but since this post of hers is
public I feel obliged to answer her in public.

Lucia Tullia Vatia <ms_m2you@...> writes:

> I made a request for citizenship since 2003.

And it was eventually granted after the person who was then the gens
paterfamilias (under a system that has since been changed in law) approved
you.

> But I need my citizenship first.

You have it.

> Could something be done about that?

It would help if you'd responded to last year's census. Your non-response
resulted in your information being removed from the public portion of the
Album Civium. It's back there now, as I've just returned you to active
status and manually registered you.

We have a census every even-numbered year. It's very important for all
citizens to respond. Non-response results in removal from the Album Civium.

Vale, et Valete,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

SALVETE QUIRITES !

Between justice and common sense is a powerful connection. We can't
talk about justice without common sense and about common sense
without justice.
The justice is in fact a representation for the other one opinion
and belief respect. The common sense represent the proper way
through by, the justice, can be put in practice.
The both are a sum of the roman virtues and a representation of the
roman way.

I'm Nova Roma citizen from two years. Near you all, I found the
necessaries resources to honor the civilization and roman culture.
Your personal example and dedication represented and represent a
continuous source of inspiration for me. I want to thank you for
that. But in the same time these determinate me, to find new ways
and modalities to be to the same level of performance. This is, and
will be, a continuous objective in my life.
The materialization of these words is my work, during the time, as:
- Propraetor of Provincia Dacia :
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/
- Accensus and scribe of the Nova Roma Magistrates: Consul, Praetor,
Curule Aedile and Magister Aranearius.
- Nova Roma Curule Aedile and Magna Mater Project Custodiant for the
year 2759 a.U.c.
http://www.crystalwebvision.com/aedil/
The evolution has its own sense. In our specific case, we can name
it Cursus Honorum, without making a mistake. I started my Cursus
Honorum last year. With every step I have made,I tried to fulfill my
duties with honesty, sincerity and good work. All of these with
respect for our Gods and our Ancestors.
I want to continue in the same way, dedicating my time and energy to
our community.

For that, I, Iulius Sabinus,with respect,come in front of you, to
announce my candidacy for Praetor.

My objectives are in concordance with what I presented, and more, I
wish to assure our community members about my impartiality.
As Praetor, I will try to give to this office a more active and
practical sense, participating to the effective life of our
community, applying fair the laws, organizing the religious events
and developing the Forum discussions.

Thank you for patience and my thanks in advance for support.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Justice and common sense !

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes.

It is without a moment's hesitation that I strongly support the
candidacy of T. Iulius Sabinus. A more dedicated and devoted citizen
is hard to find. His work speaks for itself.

Valete bene,

Cato