Salve Marce Octavi,

ROFLOL, I think you missed your calling - comedy!

QSP

> It's probably the only Roman reconstructionist group around in

which

> the standard-issue toga comes with a pointed hood.
>
> Vale, O.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Gracchus
> octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com
>
> "What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
> clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
> over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese
>

On Sat, 7 Oct 2006, gequitiuscato wrote:

> Cato quirites salutem plurimam dicit.
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> In a light-hearted salute to the approaching harvest season, I offer
> this, courtesy of the Ad Hog Camerata and the Snouto Domoinko de Silo:
>
> "Vox spiritus fundi sumus. Dormiunt omnes. Stertunt porci clari. O!
> Primam lucem! Sol surgit! Gallus magnifice incendens exclamat!
>
> Ecce! MacDonaldus senex, qui fundum habet; et in hoc fundo, nonnullas
> boves domesticas habet. Eieio. Cum mumu hic, et mumu ibi. Hic una mu
> et ibi una mu; ubique una mu. MacDonaldus senex fundum habet. Eieio.
> Et in hoc fundo, nonnullus porcos habet. Cum oincoinc hic, et
> oincoinc ibi, et - Ni oinc hic? Ni oinc ibi? Sed ubi sunt porci
> quoquomodo? Ecce! Dormiunt - vocamus ad se frustra. Consurgite
> porci! Sol fuget, dies serenus est; dicimus: consurgite porci! O
> porci ignavissimi! Diem absumitis! Hora fugit! Si non nunc
> venietis, cibum gallinis dabo! Demum veniunt porci."

But do we get fries with that?

-- P. Livius Triarius

Salvete,

I agree completely!
I am very happy to see that Marcus Moravius Horatianus is running for
Consul.

Valete

Lucius Cassius Cornutus

On Oct 7, 2006, at 1:51 PM, L. Salix Cicero wrote:

> Salvete
>
> I hereby give my full support to Marcus Moravius Horatianus as a
> candidate for Consul of Nova Roma. He will make an excellent Consul,
> and I encourage others to support him.
>
> Valete
> L. Salix Cicero
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: marcushoratius
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 4:59 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Candidate for Consul
>
> Salvete Quirites
>
> I, Marcus Moravius Horatianus, don the toga candida and humbly enter
> the Forum once more, this time as candidate for Consul of our Res
> Publica.
>
> Nova Roma, it should be understood, is part of a much wider community
> of Roman enthusiasts than just its own current members. The Census
> of 2005 showed how Nova Roma has had a turn over of 80% of its
> membership during the past five-year period. Former citizens may
> have left Nova Roma itself, but they remain part of the same wider
> community in which Nova Roma shares. The challenge before Nova Roma
> today is to be a community of Romanitas for its own citizens, to
> welcome back former members, and to attract new members from this
> wider community of which we are a part.
>
> I was first elected Tribunus Plebis for the year 2001. Health issues
> and other personal issues required that I resign from office, and my
> citizenship from Nova Roma as well, after serving for only two and a
> half months. For the past five years I have been involved with
> various Roman communities, mainly teaching others about the religio
> Romana. I have been a member of the Board of Advisores to the Temple
> Religio Romana, and twice served as Consul in the Societas Via Romana
> as well as Rector of SVR's Collegium Religiosum. I taught courses at
> Academia Thules for which, in 2004, the Senate of Nova Roma paid me
> the honor of special recognition for my work. This was a very special
> honor for me personally, and much of a surprise, as I was not then a
> citizen of Nova Roma. Later then I became Decanus of the religious
> Studies Program at Academia Thules. And there are other Roman
> communities with which I have been involved, either on line or in
> person, performing Roman ritual or lending my views on Romanitas. I
> returned as a citizen of Nova Roma in June 2005, serving then as
> scriba to Censor Fabius Buteo Quintillius, on whose behalf I directed
> the effort made in conducting the Census of 2005. For this current
> year of 2006 I have been serving once more as Tribunus Plebis, as
> Procurator and Sacredos in provincia Lacus Magni, and as a scriba to
> Aedilis Curulis Titus Sabinus for the Magna Mater Project. Typical
> of others, my sojourn has been one that took me through many parts of
> our wider community of Roman enthusiasts before returning to our Res
> Publica of Nova Roma. I am grateful for the reception I have received
> upon my return, meeting once more with old friends and making new
> friends. At the same time I am aware of others, some former members
> of Nova Roma and others who have not yet been introduced to our Res
> Publica, who could be welcomed additions to our community.
>
> Nova Roma is a social, educational, and religious organizations.
> Each aspect of Nova Roma needs to be revitalized and developed
> further. This is not some thing that can be done by proposing new
> laws, distracting our attention into online debates, but rather must
> be addressed in the manner by which we conduct Nova Roma affairs. In
> order to provide for our Citizens, we shall have to refocus our
> attention on a local level. In that way we shall reinforce the
> social bonds that hold our Citizens together while they in turn
> attract new members. We also, from the central level, have to better
> assist and provide for local communities of our Citizens.
>
> One area of concern that I think we will need to take up in the
> coming is a reorganization of our provincial system. Suggested by
> the Census 2005 is that provincial organization should be based in
> local communites rather than according to arbitrarily drawn
> boundaries. In 2007 another census shall be held, and what will be
> needed is to formulate how information gained from that census may be
> used. This is a matter that has been discussed by magistrates over
> the past two years, and I will later provide my ideas on the issue.
>
> Another thing that we should do is to focus on specific projects,
> with delineated goals by which to measure our progress. Nova Roma
> has one such project already in the Magna Mater Project. Individual
> Citizens have taken it upon themselves to found a Roman podcast, to
> establish religious sanctuaries, and to perform other activities. We
> need to develop more projects, some at a very local level, in order
> to engage our Citizens and to help further develop Nova Roma's
> community. Changing our focus over to projects will go hand in hand
> with reorganizing our provinciae.
>
> More is needed from the central organization in providing
> informational support to local communities and to individuals.
> Primarily our informational resources can be found in our sodalitates
> and Collegium. We have relied perhaps too much on individuals
> referring to our website for informational support. I would like to
> see instead the Consules work with our sodalitates and Collegium
> Pontificum to coordinate active dissemination of our informational
> resources down to local levels, through our Propraetores, in order to
> foster monthly activities.
>
> It will be by local gatherings of our Citizens, engaging in
> activities, that will inspire projects for all of our Citizens to
> participate in. This will in turn eventually build a stronger
> community, one that is more stable than a community based primarily
> in online activity, and will then in turn attract new members into
> our Res Publica as they see what Nova Roma can provide. This is a
> long range plan for revitalizing Nova Roma. The means are already in
> place. We need only to lay a foundation in the coming year for
> managing and coordinating our efforts. I hope that you wil see in me
> one of the Consules needed to steer Nova Roma back in this direction
> of local involvement and future growth.
>
> Valete et vadete in pace Deorum
>
> M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
>
> Flamen Carmentalis
> Tribunus Plebis
> Procurator Lacus Magni
> Sacerdos Lacus Magni
> Scriba Aedile TIS: Magna Mater Project
> Decanus Facultatis Theologiae, Academia Thules
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>

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Salve mi Corde

Your questions and comments touch on many issues that need to be
addressed in the coming years. As you pointed out, the same subject
has been raised before by candidates to different offices, and this
year's candidates for the consulship each recognize the need for Nova
Roma to move from being primarily an online community to one composed
by active local communities in the real world. In the past we have
primarily relied on our Proconsules and Propraetores to form local
communities within their respective provinciae. Some have been more
successful than others. In general, even those who have had a
measure of success have done so in only certain parts of their
respective provinciae. The role of the Consules in all of this has
been mainly to find individuals to hold the offices of Proconsules
and Propraetores and to receive reports that they present to the
Senate. With few exceptions, the Consules have not been able to take
an active role in managing the Proconsules and Propraetores, and even
where they could, it has not been throughout all of Nova Roma.

Nova Roma remains primarily an online community. In the past five
years we have had over 5,000 individuals join, and yet retained only
20% of these. Of those who are cives, only a portion subscribe to
our lists, only a small portion of cives pay taxes to become assidui,
of the assidui only a portion vote, and among our voters only a
portion actively engage in holding offices. Those proportions are
consistent to what is found in other online communities - a high turn
over in membership and a proportion of about 30% participation in
various categories. In other words, statistically Nova Roma
exhibits every sign of being just an online community.

As you know, from working with me on the Census 2005, our Citizens
are rather scattered in some regions. However the census also showed
that we have some clusters of Citizens within distances that could be
helpful in forming oppidi and municipi as was envisioned by the Lex
Fabia to which you referred. That law made it the responsibility of
individual Citizens to form such communities. Instead of considering
rewriting the law, or trying to come up with a new law, I think that
next year's Consules will have to find new ways to impliment this
law. The first thing of course will be to set up guidelines for such
local communities. With the Census 2007 we will then gain
information on where they might be formed. The Consules should
actively work with Propraetores and with individual Citizens to get
local members to meet one another and encourage them to form a local
community.

Forming local communities will take time. I don't think we will
accomplish in one year the establishment of all the local communities
that would be needed for a reorganization of our provinciae, but we
need to start now. The reorganization of provicia has been discussed
by a few magistrates over the past two years. This will have to be
addressed before the Senate, but again I do not think the process
will require new laws to impliment a plan. What is envisioned is
that Proconsules and Propraetores will be assigned to oversee oppidi
and municipi more on a regional basis. This will mean that some of
our provincia will be reduced in size to facilitate local
organization by having provincia become a collection of local
communities. At the same time, the number of Proconsules and
Propraetores needed to manage the system may be reduced by placing
them over individual local communities and over what we now
provinciae. As an example, North America could be assigned to four
or five Propraetores, rather than to the current ten we now have, in
order to handle certain administrative needs, but for the average
Citizen, they will be organized into local communities.

We will also have to provide local groups with support from our
central organization. You mentioned financial support. At the
moment our financial resources are very limited. We depend on taxes
to provide a steady income, and on member contribution to provide for
other needs. That income barely covers our current organizational
needs, and does not provide seed money for additional activities that
we would like to promote. Obviously we will need to find new ways to
find income for Nova Roma, and a better way of managing money so that
it accrues into funds as are needed. One possibility that can result
from a reorganization is that local communities will engage in
activities that can be profitable and also generate contributions.
In fact, one thing we want to see happen is for local communities to
take up projects, including fundraising projects. If they do so, as
a nonprofit organization we can seek grant money to fund some of our
projects. This has already been suggested, and attempted with the
Magna Mater Project. But I think we could also look towards smaller
projects, of not so lengthy a duration, that might also qualify for
grants.

The other thing that we can do, and that Consules in particular can
assist in beginning, is by providing informational support to our
local communities and to individuals who are interested in forming
local groups. One thing that in mentioned in the Lex Fabia is that
local communities would have to submit a draft charter to a
Propraetor. Why not provide a model of a draft charter to give
individuals ideas on how they might organize. The local communities
should meet at least once a month around planned activities. Just
something simple initially. But what could be done to help them, and
also individuals as well, is to employ our sodalitates and Collegium
Pontificum to give them such things as menus and recipes to hold a
dinner party, historical and cultural information for topics of
discussion, rituals to perform as part of their monthly activities.
As it is now, individuals can do this on their own by searching
through our website and old posts. What hasn't been attempted is to
coordinate a dissemination of such information, so that every Citizen
throughout Nova Roma could participate in the same activities each
month. We could use the internet to disseminate such informational
resources, but the activities themselves would not be online. By
taking such an approach we would instill a sense of belonging among
our individual members in a larger community.

Again, none of the ideas I have outlined above would necessarily
require new laws. It is more a matter of rethinking how we use our
resources, how we work together, manage our organization, and promote
ourselves to others. We all recognize that Nova Roma's future lies
with community building through real world activies. In the coming
year we have to begin moving in that direction.

Vale optime
M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
Candidate for Consul



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:

>
>
> A. Apollonius Fl. Vedio sal.
>
> This question is directed at you in particular because it relates

to your own manifesto, but I would also be interested to hear the
views of the other candidates for the consulate.

>
> You mention that you would, if elected, concentrate on "moving Nova

Roma towards being a more real-world

> community" and on "gaining new [citizens], [and] helping
> those who are new to learn about us and figure out how they can get

the

> most out of their Citizenship". I'm sure we would all agree that

these are desirable goals. What I wonder is whether they are goals
suitable to the office you're seeking. Let me explain a little.

>
> We have had previous candidates for the consulate who have

expressed similar desires. A number have been elected and have
served as consules. Very few, if any, have had any real impact on
the extent of face-to-face activity, the recruitment of new citizens,
or any other of what we might call "grass roots" issues of that
kind. I don't think this is for want of dedication or energy: I
think it's simply because they've found, once elected, that there is
not very much a consul can do to affect these issues. The main power
of a consul is to legislate, and these issues, more than any others,
are ones which respond very little to legislation. The lex Fabia de
oppidis et municipiis is perhaps an exception, but even three years
later there are very few oppida and no municipia, so although it did
provide a framework for these things to be established it did not do
very much (and indeed it never claimed to do much) to promote their
establishment. Similarly, I remember in particular the consulate of
Fr. Apulus, whose manifesto was in many ways similar to yours: he was
a fine consul, and I'm sure he did his best to put his manifesto into
effect, but as far as I can recall there was absolutely no observable
growth in recruitment or retention of citizens or in the
participation of citizens in face-to-face events, or at least none
which had anything to do with anything which Apulus did as consul
(the conventus at Rome was of course a great success, but that was
nothing to do with the consulate).

>
> Everyone already agrees that face-to-face events are very important

and excellent things. The problem is that not enough of them are
happening. I find it very difficult to see what a consul can do
about this, unless he simply goes about organizing lots of events
himself: but then he does not need to be consul in order to do that.
I don't doubt your successes as governor, but simply installing a
good governor in the consulate will not automatically spread
the "good governor effect" to the whole republic. Similarly,
recruitment is a matter very much concerned with the facts on the
ground in particular areas, and a consul is not well placed to
influence this. As for retention and support, you mention that you'd
like to establish a coherent system of support for new citizens, and
this may well be an excellent idea, but what will you be able to do
to this end which you cannot do already? I express these worries not
to persuade you to change your manifesto, or to persuade you to
withdraw from the election, but in the hope that you will be able to
explain how you hope to bring the powers of the consulate to bear on
matters which have so far proved almost entirely immune to consular
influence. I very much hope you can, because they are matters which
certainly need to be addressed.

>
> I shall try to be helpful by making one suggestion of my own. One

thing the consules can do which no one else can do is to set, in
collaboration with the senate, economic policy. Is there some way
that the resources of the treasury could be used to promote your
objectives? Could public funds be made available, for example, to
help citizens at local and provincial level get together more often
or more easily? Could the treasury help new citizens to have cheaper
or easier access to the things they need to live a Roman life (books,
clothes, sacrificial offerings, &c.)? And if so, where will this
money come from and how will it affect the rest of the budget?

>
> In short, can a consul make any real difference on these "grass

roots issues", and how?

>
>
>
>
>
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Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

The period to declare candidacy for elections for next year is over. I
thank everyone who has declared their candidacy and I especially thank the
web team for establishing an election page:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29

This being said I will extend the call for candidates who wish to stand
for: Rogator, Diribitor, and Custos. The extension shall be for one week.

Thanks again to all our candidates for office.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul


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Salvete cives,

My name is Titus Pontius Silanus. As a new citizen, I offer to serve
Nova Roma in some small capacity, and offer my services as Diribitor.
Should a comparable post have greater need, I will gladly stand for
election for that position instead.

Though I have only been a citizen since 2006-05-09, I have studied
Rome 'From the Gracchi to Nero' (to name the primary textbook); have
visited Roman sites from Trimontium in Scotland to Carthage in
Tunisia; and have recently written a 100,000 word novel (looking for a
publisher) called "The Gospel According to the Occupation" - taking
the Roman view of the events surrounding the execution of the
insurrectionist Jesus of Nazareth.

Valete,

T. Pontius Silanus

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Additionally, and apologizes to everyone for the oversight, the call for
candidates has been extended to include Quaestors.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul

On 10/7/06, David Kling (Modianus) <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> The period to declare candidacy for elections for next year is over. I
> thank everyone who has declared their candidacy and I especially thank the
> web team for establishing an election page:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
> This being said I will extend the call for candidates who wish to stand
> for: Rogator, Diribitor, and Custos. The extension shall be for one week.
>
> Thanks again to all our candidates for office.
>
> Valete:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
> Consul
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete

My name is Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa and I wish to announce that I will stand for election to the office of custos. In the past I have been a quaestor, assigned to Curule Aedile Gaius Iulius Scaurus. Currently, I am one of the five tribunes of the plebs and the procurator in the province of Canada Occidentalis.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa


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M. Hortensia A. Apollonio sal;
well I do think the treasury should
1. subsidize a website for an official online temple to the Capitoline
triad.
2. mint coins & make money
3. Go into the lararium business; I want one, I cannot make one;-)
I'd pay for one.

With funds we could organize an American Conventus, perhaps at the
same time as Pantheacon, which takes place in February in San Jose
California. Who wouldn't enjoy going to the sunshine in February? Plus
air fares to California are cheap. The last time I looked it was
$218.00 from the East Coast round trip.

I'd go & I bet others would too. We just need the will, as you put it.
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

Salve, Citizens of Nova Roma !

I announced my candidacy for Consul of our Res Publica a few days
ago with the promise to post a full announcement of my intentions
and plans for your consideration of my candidacy for Consul.

I am 49 years old, and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma since the
21st day of the Ianuarius 2755. I am employed as a teacher in the
macro world, teaching government and history in Mediatlantica
Provincia where I also serve as Propraetor.

I am of the Gens Galeria and the Tribus Clustumina.

As I make my continuing journey along the Cursus Honorum I again ask
for your support in this election effort. I have asked for and
received your support five times in the past and I ask for it again.
I have had the honor of serving you as Curator Differium, Quaestor ,
Tribune and a year as a Consular Quaestor to the illustrious Consul
Gaius Popillius Laenas. Full detail can be found here:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tiberius_Galerius_Paulinus_%28Nova_Roma%
29"

This year I have had the high honor of serving as Praetor

When I stood for Praetor I said

"I pledge to you to work as diligently as Praetor as I have in the
other magistracies you have entrusted to my care. I will endeavor to
fulfill the constitutional duty to "administer the law ", along with
my, colleague, in a judicial and unbiased manner and will monitor
the main list of Nova Roma in the same way. I will do so without
regard to individuals and will strive to apply the law equally . I
will also endeavor to perform all other duties of my office
according to the best of my abilities and understanding and in
adherence to the Constitution, and laws of Nova Roma."

I believe I have done so.

I believe I have worked as hard as any Praetor in Nova Roman
history. I have enjoyed (almost) every minute of it.

In this campaign for Consul I again pledge to you to work as
diligently as Consul as I have in the other magistracies you have
entrusted to my care.

As to my goals

I will organize a fundraising project that will double as public
promotion for Nova Roma. Working with our Propraetors I would like
to see a series of Roman Movie Festivals held on or near Saturday
April 21, 2007.

We rent, in a number of towns and cities a movie house, college or
university playhouse or other site that can accommodate showing
popular movies with a Roman theme. A Roman dinner could be held in
conjunction with these Roman movie festivals.

The Provincial governors would decide if their event would be a one
day affair or a weekend one. We enlist the help of Roman Reenactors
groups and we work with college Classics departments in promoting
Rome and Nova Roma.

As Consul of Nova Roma I will convene a Nova Roman Conclave for
2007. This will most likely take place in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA.
This meeting would include a face to face meeting of the Nova Roman
Senate, a general meet and greet of our citizens, a banquet and
other events of a Nova Roma nature.

In addition to the conclave I will work to acquire additional land
for Nova Roma. This additional land would be closer to where our
citizens live so that it could be used for more face to face
meetings. Whatever we build on it can be maintained and watched over
by local citizens. We are working with others right now to bring
this about.

This new land could be used to generate revenue for Nova Roma by
building a Roman fort, holding Roman Day like events and a Roman
summer camp one for adults and one for youths. The Senate will be
appraised each step of the way. This will allow us to raise the
funds necessary to build temples and other building.

I will direct research into the feasibility of starting a general
interest magazine called ROME. Believe it or not there are
scholarly journals on Rome but no general interest magazine like KMT
which is about Ancient Egypt: http://www.egyptology.com/kmt/.

The Magazine, while published by Nova Roma would be Rome centric and
not Nova Roman centric. ROME, the magazine would be a bridge to the
general public and to the academic world.

I would also like to review of our current legislation with an eye
on reducing the number of laws and on insuring that those we have
are posted in the Tabularium in a timely manner and in a way that
clearly states which laws are active and which have lapsed. I will
convene the Senate to work as a "Committee of the Whole" on a
paragraph by paragraph review of the Constitution with the results
submitted for approval by the Citizens of Nova Roma

I have tried to follow a correct path along the Cursus Honorum.
I have served in those offices that the Romans believed gave an
individual the experience needed to be a Consul of Rome. I believe
it was important to do so . There are candidates that have not
followed the Cursus Honorum and as the electorate you must decide
which was the proper avenue of service.

Roman Consuls were generalist not specialist and the magistracies of
the Cursus Honorum were used to gain general experience.
Romans believed that it should be adhered to whenever possible.

I would like to review the Cursus Honorum as it is currently
constituted and introduce some needed changes, like a stead fast
requirement of service ( for a whole term) as Quaestor before one
is eligible for election to any offices including, Censor, Consul,
Praetor, Tribunus Plebis, Curule Aedile, Aedilis Plebis.
While the Roman Cursus Honorum consisted of only four magistracies
the starting point in Rome was the Quaestorship. This needs to be
the rule in Nova Roma as well.

I would further refine our election laws to require service as an
scriba to the Censors before one could stand for Rogator. Similar
requirements might be in order for other posts as well. A minimum of
a year as a citizen should be considered in place of the current 6
months to stand for office.

I will continue to maintain the highest integrity and dedication to
the welfare of Nova Roma and her citizens and I respectfully ask for
your support and your vote.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Mea gloria fideles


I respectfully request this be placed as my statment on the
Elections page of the Wiki.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve, Citizens of Nova Roma !
>
> I announced my candidacy for Consul of our Res Publica a few days

...

> the welfare of Nova Roma and her citizens and I respectfully ask for
> your support and your vote.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Mea gloria fideles
>
>
> I respectfully request this be placed as my statment on the
> Elections page of the Wiki.
>

This has been done.

Agricola

Best of luck you, Brother Tiberius. I'm sure you'll make our gens proud, as
always.

Vale,

Gaia Galeria Aquilla

-----Original Message-----
From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Timothy P. Gallagher
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:21 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus for Consul of Nova Roma


Salve, Citizens of Nova Roma !

I announced my candidacy for Consul of our Res Publica a few days
ago with the promise to post a full announcement of my intentions
and plans for your consideration of my candidacy for Consul.

I am 49 years old, and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma since the
21st day of the Ianuarius 2755. I am employed as a teacher in the
macro world, teaching government and history in Mediatlantica
Provincia where I also serve as Propraetor.

I am of the Gens Galeria and the Tribus Clustumina.

As I make my continuing journey along the Cursus Honorum I again ask
for your support in this election effort. I have asked for and
received your support five times in the past and I ask for it again.
I have had the honor of serving you as Curator Differium, Quaestor ,
Tribune and a year as a Consular Quaestor to the illustrious Consul
Gaius Popillius Laenas. Full detail can be found here:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tiberius_Galerius_Paulinus_%28Nova_Roma%
29"

This year I have had the high honor of serving as Praetor

When I stood for Praetor I said

"I pledge to you to work as diligently as Praetor as I have in the
other magistracies you have entrusted to my care. I will endeavor to
fulfill the constitutional duty to "administer the law ", along with
my, colleague, in a judicial and unbiased manner and will monitor
the main list of Nova Roma in the same way. I will do so without
regard to individuals and will strive to apply the law equally . I
will also endeavor to perform all other duties of my office
according to the best of my abilities and understanding and in
adherence to the Constitution, and laws of Nova Roma."

I believe I have done so.

I believe I have worked as hard as any Praetor in Nova Roman
history. I have enjoyed (almost) every minute of it.

In this campaign for Consul I again pledge to you to work as
diligently as Consul as I have in the other magistracies you have
entrusted to my care.

As to my goals

I will organize a fundraising project that will double as public
promotion for Nova Roma. Working with our Propraetors I would like
to see a series of Roman Movie Festivals held on or near Saturday
April 21, 2007.

We rent, in a number of towns and cities a movie house, college or
university playhouse or other site that can accommodate showing
popular movies with a Roman theme. A Roman dinner could be held in
conjunction with these Roman movie festivals.

The Provincial governors would decide if their event would be a one
day affair or a weekend one. We enlist the help of Roman Reenactors
groups and we work with college Classics departments in promoting
Rome and Nova Roma.

As Consul of Nova Roma I will convene a Nova Roman Conclave for
2007. This will most likely take place in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA.
This meeting would include a face to face meeting of the Nova Roman
Senate, a general meet and greet of our citizens, a banquet and
other events of a Nova Roma nature.

In addition to the conclave I will work to acquire additional land
for Nova Roma. This additional land would be closer to where our
citizens live so that it could be used for more face to face
meetings. Whatever we build on it can be maintained and watched over
by local citizens. We are working with others right now to bring
this about.

This new land could be used to generate revenue for Nova Roma by
building a Roman fort, holding Roman Day like events and a Roman
summer camp one for adults and one for youths. The Senate will be
appraised each step of the way. This will allow us to raise the
funds necessary to build temples and other building.

I will direct research into the feasibility of starting a general
interest magazine called ROME. Believe it or not there are
scholarly journals on Rome but no general interest magazine like KMT
which is about Ancient Egypt: http://www.egyptology.com/kmt/.

The Magazine, while published by Nova Roma would be Rome centric and
not Nova Roman centric. ROME, the magazine would be a bridge to the
general public and to the academic world.

I would also like to review of our current legislation with an eye
on reducing the number of laws and on insuring that those we have
are posted in the Tabularium in a timely manner and in a way that
clearly states which laws are active and which have lapsed. I will
convene the Senate to work as a "Committee of the Whole" on a
paragraph by paragraph review of the Constitution with the results
submitted for approval by the Citizens of Nova Roma

I have tried to follow a correct path along the Cursus Honorum.
I have served in those offices that the Romans believed gave an
individual the experience needed to be a Consul of Rome. I believe
it was important to do so . There are candidates that have not
followed the Cursus Honorum and as the electorate you must decide
which was the proper avenue of service.

Roman Consuls were generalist not specialist and the magistracies of
the Cursus Honorum were used to gain general experience.
Romans believed that it should be adhered to whenever possible.

I would like to review the Cursus Honorum as it is currently
constituted and introduce some needed changes, like a stead fast
requirement of service ( for a whole term) as Quaestor before one
is eligible for election to any offices including, Censor, Consul,
Praetor, Tribunus Plebis, Curule Aedile, Aedilis Plebis.
While the Roman Cursus Honorum consisted of only four magistracies
the starting point in Rome was the Quaestorship. This needs to be
the rule in Nova Roma as well.

I would further refine our election laws to require service as an
scriba to the Censors before one could stand for Rogator. Similar
requirements might be in order for other posts as well. A minimum of
a year as a citizen should be considered in place of the current 6
months to stand for office.

I will continue to maintain the highest integrity and dedication to
the welfare of Nova Roma and her citizens and I respectfully ask for
your support and your vote.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Mea gloria fideles

I respectfully request this be placed as my statment on the
Elections page of the Wiki.






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Salve Gaia Galeria Aquilla

Thanks

No it is the Gens and the people in it that makes me proud.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:37 PM
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Best of luck you, Brother Tiberius. I'm sure you'll make our gens proud, as
always.

Vale,

Gaia Galeria Aquilla

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus for Consul of Nova Roma

Salve, Citizens of Nova Roma !

I announced my candidacy for Consul of our Res Publica a few days
ago with the promise to post a full announcement of my intentions
and plans for your consideration of my candidacy for Consul.

I am 49 years old, and I have been a citizen of Nova Roma since the
21st day of the Ianuarius 2755. I am employed as a teacher in the
macro world, teaching government and history in Mediatlantica
Provincia where I also serve as Propraetor.

I am of the Gens Galeria and the Tribus Clustumina.

As I make my continuing journey along the Cursus Honorum I again ask
for your support in this election effort. I have asked for and
received your support five times in the past and I ask for it again.
I have had the honor of serving you as Curator Differium, Quaestor ,
Tribune and a year as a Consular Quaestor to the illustrious Consul
Gaius Popillius Laenas. Full detail can be found here:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tiberius_Galerius_Paulinus_%28Nova_Roma%<http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tiberius_Galerius_Paulinus_(Nova_Roma>
29"

This year I have had the high honor of serving as Praetor

When I stood for Praetor I said

"I pledge to you to work as diligently as Praetor as I have in the
other magistracies you have entrusted to my care. I will endeavor to
fulfill the constitutional duty to "administer the law ", along with
my, colleague, in a judicial and unbiased manner and will monitor
the main list of Nova Roma in the same way. I will do so without
regard to individuals and will strive to apply the law equally . I
will also endeavor to perform all other duties of my office
according to the best of my abilities and understanding and in
adherence to the Constitution, and laws of Nova Roma."

I believe I have done so.

I believe I have worked as hard as any Praetor in Nova Roman
history. I have enjoyed (almost) every minute of it.

In this campaign for Consul I again pledge to you to work as
diligently as Consul as I have in the other magistracies you have
entrusted to my care.

As to my goals

I will organize a fundraising project that will double as public
promotion for Nova Roma. Working with our Propraetors I would like
to see a series of Roman Movie Festivals held on or near Saturday
April 21, 2007.

We rent, in a number of towns and cities a movie house, college or
university playhouse or other site that can accommodate showing
popular movies with a Roman theme. A Roman dinner could be held in
conjunction with these Roman movie festivals.

The Provincial governors would decide if their event would be a one
day affair or a weekend one. We enlist the help of Roman Reenactors
groups and we work with college Classics departments in promoting
Rome and Nova Roma.

As Consul of Nova Roma I will convene a Nova Roman Conclave for
2007. This will most likely take place in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA.
This meeting would include a face to face meeting of the Nova Roman
Senate, a general meet and greet of our citizens, a banquet and
other events of a Nova Roma nature.

In addition to the conclave I will work to acquire additional land
for Nova Roma. This additional land would be closer to where our
citizens live so that it could be used for more face to face
meetings. Whatever we build on it can be maintained and watched over
by local citizens. We are working with others right now to bring
this about.

This new land could be used to generate revenue for Nova Roma by
building a Roman fort, holding Roman Day like events and a Roman
summer camp one for adults and one for youths. The Senate will be
appraised each step of the way. This will allow us to raise the
funds necessary to build temples and other building.

I will direct research into the feasibility of starting a general
interest magazine called ROME. Believe it or not there are
scholarly journals on Rome but no general interest magazine like KMT
which is about Ancient Egypt: http://www.egyptology.com/kmt/.<http://www.egyptology.com/kmt/>

The Magazine, while published by Nova Roma would be Rome centric and
not Nova Roman centric. ROME, the magazine would be a bridge to the
general public and to the academic world.

I would also like to review of our current legislation with an eye
on reducing the number of laws and on insuring that those we have
are posted in the Tabularium in a timely manner and in a way that
clearly states which laws are active and which have lapsed. I will
convene the Senate to work as a "Committee of the Whole" on a
paragraph by paragraph review of the Constitution with the results
submitted for approval by the Citizens of Nova Roma

I have tried to follow a correct path along the Cursus Honorum.
I have served in those offices that the Romans believed gave an
individual the experience needed to be a Consul of Rome. I believe
it was important to do so . There are candidates that have not
followed the Cursus Honorum and as the electorate you must decide
which was the proper avenue of service.

Roman Consuls were generalist not specialist and the magistracies of
the Cursus Honorum were used to gain general experience.
Romans believed that it should be adhered to whenever possible.

I would like to review the Cursus Honorum as it is currently
constituted and introduce some needed changes, like a stead fast
requirement of service ( for a whole term) as Quaestor before one
is eligible for election to any offices including, Censor, Consul,
Praetor, Tribunus Plebis, Curule Aedile, Aedilis Plebis.
While the Roman Cursus Honorum consisted of only four magistracies
the starting point in Rome was the Quaestorship. This needs to be
the rule in Nova Roma as well.

I would further refine our election laws to require service as an
scriba to the Censors before one could stand for Rogator. Similar
requirements might be in order for other posts as well. A minimum of
a year as a citizen should be considered in place of the current 6
months to stand for office.

I will continue to maintain the highest integrity and dedication to
the welfare of Nova Roma and her citizens and I respectfully ask for
your support and your vote.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Mea gloria fideles

I respectfully request this be placed as my statment on the
Elections page of the Wiki.

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Salvete, citizens,

"For a more roman Nova Roma" - If you honour me with your votes, this will
be my goal. As I always defended in the Tribunate and Praetorship.

This single phrase is rich of meanings. It means:

1. Balance to the powers - Comitia, Senate and Magistrates
2. Honouring to the Tribunes and their Sainctatis
3. Respect the many religios and freedom of NR citizens
4. Universalization of Nova Roma by the many provinces.
5. Honour the Senate, making it fullfill its goal - the deposit of wisdow
and long-term planning in NR.
6. Honour the Comitia, as the source of Imperium and ultimate tribunal,
source of all auctoritas on the Republic.
7. Opening space for new citizens raise the cursum honorum and refreshing
the Republic. No personallity cult.
8. Reform whenever necessary to bring us closer to roman system.
9. No-Prejudices in NR
10. Love to the roman gods.

Unfortunately, this takes more than one consulship to accomplish. However, I
will just be happy to be another ´brick in the wall´ on the sucession of
good consules we had years past.

For obeying this goals, I ask special favour of goddess Concordia. Without
her blessings, no sucessfull consulship is possible.


Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus


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Salve,

Maior wrote:

>M. Hortensia A. Apollonio sal;
> well I do think the treasury should
>1. subsidize a website for an official online temple to the Capitoline
>triad.
> 2. mint coins & make money
> 3. Go into the lararium business; I want one, I cannot make one;-)
>I'd pay for one.
>
>

You might find it efficacious to look at
http://www.sacredsource.com/prodinfo.asp?number=R-PEN

It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing. And it is already out
there.

>With funds we could organize an American Conventus, perhaps at the
>same time as Pantheacon, which takes place in February in San Jose
>California. Who wouldn't enjoy going to the sunshine in February? Plus
>air fares to California are cheap. The last time I looked it was
>$218.00 from the East Coast round trip.
>
>I'd go & I bet others would too. We just need the will, as you put it.
> bene vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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M. Lucretius Agricola M. Hortensiae Maiori sal.

I agree that the State would do well to support regional gatherings,
including on such a large scale as you suggest.

I agree that the minting of coins can be a worthwhile project for the
State.

I suggest that citizens could make more use of the wiki for creating
online content. Our wiki is not a mini-Wikipedia, let's think of it
more as a content management system. Every citizen may contribute. The
ground work of an online temple could be started there. I mean things
like research, collections of prayer and so forth. Decisions about
hosting the material elsewhere could be taken later.

I disagree that the State should be in the manufacturing business. I
would hope that some creative citizens might join the ordo equester
and take advantage of our newly refurbished Macellum. It has been
suggested that the State could act as a kind of "bank" to build trust
and security for online transactions. This might be something to pursue.

Our Macellum is at http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Macellum .

optime vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia A. Apollonio sal;
> well I do think the treasury should
> 1. subsidize a website for an official online temple to the Capitoline
> triad.
> 2. mint coins & make money
> 3. Go into the lararium business; I want one, I cannot make one;-)
> I'd pay for one.
>
> With funds we could organize an American Conventus, perhaps at the
> same time as Pantheacon, which takes place in February in San Jose
> California. Who wouldn't enjoy going to the sunshine in February? Plus
> air fares to California are cheap. The last time I looked it was
> $218.00 from the East Coast round trip.
>
> I'd go & I bet others would too. We just need the will, as you put it.
> bene vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>

Salvete Omnes !

I guess my next question should be: if the popular Poet Francesco Sinatra lived, would he have cut a record entitled "Eboracvm, Eboracvum." ?

Vale,
Decimvs Svetonivs Lvpe.

gequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
Cato Ap. Claudio Ciceroni sal.

LOL! True enough, but remember how fond the Romans were of their
circuses!

Vale bene,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Claudio Guzzo"
wrote:

>
> Salve.
> Cato wrote:
> I am Gaius Equitius Cato (call me "Cato") and
> live in the novum caput mundi, Nova Eboracum (NYC).
>
> I don't agree with him: Roma caput mundi est. New York City, recte

Wall Street, is only a circus.

> Vale
> Appius Claudius Cicero
>
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Michael P. Orley

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Salvette Omne,
As I sit back once again read the the electorial statements, it makes
me think about our glorius history. I weigh our past towards our
future and see potential candidates in a new light. All potential
Consuls have merit, yet one stands out above the rest. I will not sit
here and defame our esteemed candidates, but rather explain how our
future must equal our past. First, let us look at Roma herself. If
the Senate and Consuls had just sat around and rewrote laws and
edicts, would she have conquered the Etruscans? Although Roma fought
only "defensive" wars, she expanded through insight and foresight.
The Senate conceived plans for expansion and ways to integrate people
into the Republic, just as one candidate has stated that he has new
ways of expanding the Nove Roma name to new audiences. Second, how
differently would the Punic wars have been if Scipio Africanus had
started his campaing only to resign, then come back later on. What if
Julius had started in Gaul then returned to Rome, never facing
Vercingetorix? Would the Republic have strected to the northern lands
of Brittania? We need Consuls who will see it through to the end and
not resign. Lastly, we need to look towards increasing our treasury
and securing our future. One candidate not only proposed a Conclave
in 2007, but also the establishment of a Fort and a magazine. The
majority of the candidates have stated that they will revise law and
the legislation of the Republic, which is a noble thing to do. But we
need to do more, we need to see to our future and future generations.
So I encourage all cives to carefully read all the Consul candidates
statements carefully. A careless vote is a vote wasted.

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est postridie Nonas Octobris; haec dies fastus aterque est.

"When the envoys had withdrawn, the senate pro- ceeded to discuss the
question. Many of the members realised how the largest and richest
city in Italy, with a very productive country near the sea, could
become the granary of Rome, and supply every variety of provision.
Notwithstanding, however, loyalty to treaties outweighed even these
great advantages, and the consul was authorised by the senate to give
the following reply: 'The senate is of opinion, Campanians, that you
are worthy of our aid, but justice demands that friendship with you
hall be established on such a footing that no older friendship and
alliance is thereby impaired. Therefore we refuse to employ on your
behalf against the Samnites arms which would offend the gods sooner
than they injured men. We shall, as is just and right, send an embassy
to our allies and friends to ask that no hostile violence be offered
you.' Thereupon the leader of the embassy, acting according
to the instructions they had brought with them, said: 'Even though you
are not willing to make a just use of force against brute force and
injustice in defence of what belongs to us, you will at all events
defend what belongs to you. Wherefore we now place under your sway and
jurisdiction, senators, and that of the Roman people, the people of
Campania and the city of Capua, its fields, its sacred temples, all
things human and divine. Henceforth we are prepared to suffer what we
may have to suffer as men who have surrendered themselves into
your hands.' At these words they all burst into tears and stretching
out their hands towards the consul they prostrated themselves on the
floor of the vestibule. The senators were deeply moved by this
instance of the vicissitudes of human fortune, where a people
abounding in wealth, famous for their pride and luxuriousness, and
from whom, shortly before, their neighbours had sought assistance,
were now so broken in spirit that they put themselves and all that
belonged to them under the power and authority of others. It at once
became a matter of honour that men who had formally surrendered
themselves should not be left to their fate, and it was resolved 'that
the Samnite nation would commit a wrongful act if they attacked a city
and territory which had by surrender become the possession of Rome.'
They determined to lose no time in despatching envoys to the Samnites.
Their instructions were to lay before them the request of the
Campanians, the reply which the senate, mindful of their friendly
relations with the Samnites, had given, and lastly the surrender which
had been made. They were to request the Samnites, in virtue of the
friendship and alliance which existed between them, to spare those who
had made a surrender of themselves and to take no hostile action
against that territory which had become the possession of the Roman
people. If these mild remonstrances proved ineffective, they were to
solemnly warn the Samnites in the name of the senate and people of
Rome to keep their hands off the city of Capua and the territory
of Campania.

The envoys delivered their instructions in the national council of
Samnium. The reply they received was couched in such defiant terms
that not only did the Samnites declare their intention of pursuing the
war against Capua, but their magistrates went outside the council
chamber and, in tones loud enough for the envoys to bear, ordered the
prefects of cohorts to march at once into the Campanian territory and
ravage it." - Livy, History of Rome 7.31


On this day in ancient Greece, the Athenians celebrated the return of
King Theseus after his defeat of King Minos of Crete, who up until
then had enjoyed naval supremacy in the Mediterranean. Upon reaching
shore, the hungry Athenians immediately boiled beans and ate all their
remaining rations, it having apparently been a long voyage back. The
Athenians did likewise on this day, singing a thanksgiving for the end
of hunger. An olive branch, wreathed in white wool and hung with
fruits, is carried in procession by two young men representing the
disguised hostages. Being harvest time, this festival merged
with the Festival of Grape Boughs, and thanks are given both to
Dionysius, the god of wine, and to Athene, who guided Theseus to
victory over Crete. Fourteen mothers join the procession, representing
the fourteen hostages who were rescued when Theseus slew the king, the
so-called "Bull of Minos."

There is some confusion about Theseus' parentage, some say he is the
son of Aegeus and Aethra, and others the son of Poseidon and Aethra.
Apollodoros and Hyginus say Aethra waded out to Sphairia after
sleeping with Aegeus, and lay there with Poseidon. The next day,
Aegeus, who had been visiting Aethra at Troizen, left for his home
city of Athens. As he left, he left sandals and a sword under a large
rock; should Aethra bear a male child, she was to send him to Athens
to claim his birthright as soon as he was old enough to lift the rock
and retrieve the items.

Aethra gave birth to Theseus, who came of age and set off for Athens
with the sword and sandals, encountering and defeating six murderous
adversaries along the way. When Theseus reached Athens, Medea, the
wife of Aegeus, persuaded Aegeus to kill the as of yet unrecognized
Theseus by having him attempt to capture the savage Marathonian Bull.
Theseus does the unexpected and succeeds, so Medea tells Aegeus to
give him poisoned wine. Aegeus recognizes Theseus' sword as he is
about to drink and knocks the goblet from his lips at the last
second.

According to Plutarch and Philochoros, on the way to Marathon to kill
the bull, Theseus encounters a fierce storm and seeks shelter in the
hut of an old woman named Hecale. She promises to make a sacrifice to
Zeus if Theseus comes back successful. He comes back, finds her dead,
and builds a deme in her name. Some time after Theseus return to
Athens, trouble stirs and blood flows between the houses of Aegeus in
Athens and Minos, his brother in Crete. War and drought ensues and an
oracle demands that recompense be made to Minos. Minos demands
that seven maidens and seven youths are to be sacrificed to the
Minotaur every nine years. Theseus is among the chosen victims and
sails off to Crete, promising to Aegeus that his ship's black flag
would be replaced with a white flag if Theseus is victorious. In
Crete, Minos molests one of the maidens and Theseus becomes angry and
challenges him, boasting of his parentage by Poseidon. Minos, son of
Zeus is amused and asks Theseus to prove his heritage by retrieving a
ring from the depths of the ocean. Theseus being a son of Poseidon
succeeds.

Ariadne, a young woman in Crete already betrothed to Dionysus, falls
in love with Theseus and helps him defeat the Minotaur. Ariadne then
leaves Crete with Theseus, who abandons her on Dia (at Athena's
behest, according to Pherekydes). On returning to Athens Theseus
forgets to switch the black sail with the white one. Aegeus,
consequently, watching from afar believes his son is dead and hurls
himself into the sea, now known as the "Aegean", in his honor.


Valete bene!


Cato




SOURCES


Livy, Theseus (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/theseus.html)

Cato D. Svetonio Lupo sal.

Well, it should be "Nova Eboracum, Nova Eboracum" :-)

Vale bene,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, mike orley <clannadh@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes !
>
> I guess my next question should be: if the popular Poet Francesco
Sinatra lived, would he have cut a record entitled "Eboracvm,
Eboracvum." ?
>
> Vale,
> Decimvs Svetonivs Lvpe.
>
> gequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

Salvete Quirites

Thus far we have had three Plebeians declare their candidacies for
Tribunus Plebis:

C. Arminius Reccanullus
Q. Servilius Priscus
M. Curiatus Complutensis

We have also had one candidate declare for the office of Aedilis
Plebis:

C. Curius Saturninus

We still need at least two more candidates for Tribunus Plebis and one
more for Aedilis Plebis. I have therefore decided to extend the period
for which Plebeian may announce there candidacies until the end of
Tuesday 10 October (11:59 PM CET).

The following day, 11 October, is Meditrinalia, followed by the
Fontinalia, Ludi Capitolini, and Armilustrum through 19 October. I
hope that everyone may enjoy their holidays. A tentative date for
holding the elections has not yet been set by the Tribuni Plebis, but
these will likely be held before the end of the month, followed by a
second call for the Comitia Plebis Tributa to assemble after the
Nones of November in which to pass a plebisctum de consecratione for
our designated officers.

Valete optime
M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
Tribunus Plebis.

Salve,

Excuse-me, Sejanus, but the romans had writen and have rewritten many times
their laws. If we see the History of Early Republic on Livius, we see new
laws and reforming of the old ones always went in parallel with the
conquests, and answering the new threatens Rome sufferes.

Recall many episodes : the Plebeians fleeing to Sacred Mount. If there
weren´t the Sacred Law making the Tribunate, never ever the romans would
have a so strong army like they had, since the population would split in
two.

Recall the conquest of Veius and the sack of Rome: If the consules hadn´t
stated a law forbidden the romans to abandon their houses on Rome to go to
Veius, Rome would have split as well.

Recall the right of Apelatio, the best law ever passed by the glorious
Publicola that really get yhe confidence of the citizens on the newly born
Republic.

Recall the law that allowed marriage between the orders, recall the law that
allowed plebeians to consulship. Recall the twelve tables, the romans
written it to have written laws for all, not the gentilic tradition. But
even the own Twelve tables legislation were changed many times.

A careful reading of History shows the laws are made by necessity. And NR
still hasn´t developed itself. I think so naive some people saying ´much
laws´ in NR...

And History is the biggest of the sciences, the great teacher of NR...

I agree with you. The consul Faustus will have the foresight to see the
needs of NR and the needs of growing it. Throught a responsible consulship
and careful management of our system to become more and more the mirror of
the system that caused the glory of Ancient Rome. The system Polybios said
waas the merging of the three political perfect system of Aristotles.

And Nova Roma will glory by its merits.

Vote Faustus for consul!

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus


FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL!
MORE ROMAN NOVA ROMA!


2006/10/8, legio_vi_tribunis <marcus.sejanus@...>:

>
> Salvette Omne,
> As I sit back once again read the the electorial statements, it makes
> me think about our glorius history. I weigh our past towards our
> future and see potential candidates in a new light. All potential
> Consuls have merit, yet one stands out above the rest. I will not sit
> here and defame our esteemed candidates, but rather explain how our
> future must equal our past. First, let us look at Roma herself. If
> the Senate and Consuls had just sat around and rewrote laws and
> edicts, would she have conquered the Etruscans? Although Roma fought
> only "defensive" wars, she expanded through insight and foresight.
> The Senate conceived plans for expansion and ways to integrate people
> into the Republic, just as one candidate has stated that he has new
> ways of expanding the Nove Roma name to new audiences. Second, how
> differently would the Punic wars have been if Scipio Africanus had
> started his campaing only to resign, then come back later on. What if
> Julius had started in Gaul then returned to Rome, never facing
> Vercingetorix? Would the Republic have strected to the northern lands
> of Brittania? We need Consuls who will see it through to the end and
> not resign. Lastly, we need to look towards increasing our treasury
> and securing our future. One candidate not only proposed a Conclave
> in 2007, but also the establishment of a Fort and a magazine. The
> majority of the candidates have stated that they will revise law and
> the legislation of the Republic, which is a noble thing to do. But we
> need to do more, we need to see to our future and future generations.
> So I encourage all cives to carefully read all the Consul candidates
> statements carefully. A careless vote is a vote wasted.
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Salve Luci Armini,

> Excuse-me, Sejanus, but the romans had writen and have rewritten many times
> their laws...
>
> Recall the law that allowed marriage between the orders, recall the law that
> allowed plebeians to consulship. Recall the twelve tables, the romans
> written it to have written laws for all, not the gentilic tradition. But
> even the own Twelve tables legislation were changed many times.
>
> A careful reading of History shows the laws are made by necessity. And NR
> still hasn´t developed itself. I think so naive some people saying ´much
> laws´ in NR...

Those examples are from a society of tens of thousands, over hundreds of years.

We're a few hundred, and we've been in existance for eight years. And we're
not growing in numbers anymore, because the effort put into endless cycles of
making and revising laws has far eclipsed that put into any other activity.

We need to clean house. This upcoming consulship will be a failure unless,
at its finish, there are *fewer* and *shorter* laws than before.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

"What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese
--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

"What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese

Salve Honored Censor Marcus Octavius Gracchus

"We need to clean house. This upcoming consulship will be a failure unless,
at its finish, there are *fewer* and *shorter* laws than before."

I could not agree more!

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Candidate for Consul

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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:24 AM
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Salve Luci Armini,

> Excuse-me, Sejanus, but the romans had writen and have rewritten many times
> their laws...
>
> Recall the law that allowed marriage between the orders, recall the law that
> allowed plebeians to consulship. Recall the twelve tables, the romans
> written it to have written laws for all, not the gentilic tradition. But
> even the own Twelve tables legislation were changed many times.
>
> A careful reading of History shows the laws are made by necessity. And NR
> still hasn´t developed itself. I think so naive some people saying ´much
> laws´ in NR...

Those examples are from a society of tens of thousands, over hundreds of years.

We're a few hundred, and we've been in existance for eight years. And we're
not growing in numbers anymore, because the effort put into endless cycles of
making and revising laws has far eclipsed that put into any other activity.

We need to clean house. This upcoming consulship will be a failure unless,
at its finish, there are *fewer* and *shorter* laws than before.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@...<mailto:octavius@...> * http://www.graveyards.com<http://www.graveyards.com/>

"What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese
--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@...<mailto:octavius@...> * http://www.graveyards.com<http://www.graveyards.com/>

"What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese




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Salve Honorable Faustus,
With all you stated in that rebuttal on things to consider, I do agree
with you on the revision of law and legislation. I fully understand
the need for that, but I also understand the need to have a stronger
real world tie. After reading your statement of candidacy, I see that
you never stated any real world events or ties to bring in more people
other than that of being the first Latin American Consul. I have seen
that both Flavius Germanicus and Tiberius Paulinus have state truly
visionary ideas on how to grow our nation and attract more people. I
am not here to discredit you, but as an assidui I need to know that
the future of NR is in strong hands. Both Flavius and Paulinus will
not only work the legislative side, but they will also endeavor to
reach out to new people. How spelndid would it be to have a
functioning roman outpost for the real world to see, or the
opportunity for Nova Romans to speak face to face in a real world
conclave? Those are the ideas and concepts that NR needs to expand
its future. As stated before, I am not here to discredit you, but we
all need consuls who will lead us into a new day and not just rehash
last years events.

Marcus Pontius Sejanus

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006, Stephen Gallagher wrote:

> "We need to clean house. This upcoming consulship will be a failure unless,
> at its finish, there are *fewer* and *shorter* laws than before."
>
> I could not agree more!

How many leges do we even have? How many of these are still in
effect? Does anyone know, or can anyone know, without devoting
dozens of hours to study of the tabularium?

The old tabularium (http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/) lists
one hundred and one laws! And this doesn't include anything from
last year or this year (when it was replaced by the new system).
Nor does it include Senatus Consulta, Edicts, or any of the hundreds
of provincial decrees.

More than one hundred and one laws - for an organisation with 232
active members.

These laws have driven away some of our best citizens. Consider
Lucius Marius Fimbria, one of our most enthusiastic early members,
who left after a law was specifically written to prevent him
from using his chosen name. Consider Caius Minucius Scaevola,
who simply walked away when a silly slander lawsuit was filed
against him for ordinary rhetoric common on any mailing list.
(For that matter, consider his antagonist in that battle, who
hasn't been seen here since he lost his case.)

Then consider Appius Claudius Priscus, who mass-mailed three
hundred citizens repeatedly with offensive racist and sexist
drivel - but we couldn't get rid of him. The consuls and
censores could do almost nothing to rid this republic of a
known menace, because of the enormous burden of laws that
we are forced to work under. He left only because we wore
him down with dozens of small actions. A community that
cannot purge itself of a malicious individual is not
a healthy community.

More than one hundred and one laws.

Is it any wonder we haven't grown in numbers for years?

Valete, M. Octavius Gracchus.

--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

"What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese

Salvete omnes,

Vote for me for the Plebeian Aedileship!

I'm C. Curius Saturninus. Many of you know me already and know about
the numerous posts I have had in NR. I have been a scriba and an
accensus for many magistrates over the years, including 5 Curule
Aediles and 2 Plebeian Aediles, so I know how the Aedileship works in
NR. I have also been a Questor and Tribunus Plebis and I'm currently
the Propraetor of Thule province.

I have studied, and am currently studying, Cultural History, Latin,
Ancient Greek, Classical Archaeology, General History and Social
Sciences in the universities of Turku and Helsinki. My main subject
is Cultural History with specialisation to ancient period. I have
also studied visual arts and I own a small advertising agency. I'm
also the rector of Academia Thules. I'm married to senator Emilia
Curia Finnica and we have a little boy, Marcus Curius Saturninus.

But enough about me. I would like to discuss the office I'm
candidating, the Plebeian Aedileship. Even while Plebeian Aediles are
not very often in the spotlight of Nova Roman publicity, it was a
very important magistracy historically. I have little wish for any
drastic polarisation between plebs and patricians in NR, but also as
reluctantly would I like to forget the historical significance of
this social division in the ancient Rome.

In NR Plebeian Aediles are responsible for two festivals, not too
great a burden for anyone to arrange, and also have the same power
over the "real public facilities" that the state owns, and festivals
and gatherings, as Curule Aediles. The way I see it is that besides
arranging festivals, currently the office of Plebeian Aedile is more
symbolical in NR nowadays. As such I really don't have any special
electorial platform or program I wish to accomplish.

Still I would like to use this opportunity to bring about a couple of
thoughts of mine concerning the Plebeian Aediles and Aediles in
general. Both concern the following chapter of our constitution: "To
issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to see to the conduct of public
games and other festivals and gatherings, to ensure order at public
religious events, to see to the maintenance of any real public
facilities that the state should acquire, and to administer the law
(such edicts being binding upon themselves as well as others)."

First thing I would like to discuss is the "conduct of gatherings" as
the constitution puts it. For me it seems like the idea has been that
the aediles are more or less responsible for organising any
gatherings there are, real and virtual. However, to my knowledge,
this is not happening in any way currently: the aediles are not
arranging any gatherings. I would certainly feel it rather difficult
to arrange a gathering across the Atlantic for example (and I
certainly wouldn't be able to attend one), so this part of the duties
of the Aediles doesn't seem very practical to me. I understand very
well the need for real life events and gatherings, but I'm not sure
if the Aediles are the right persons to arrange them. Aediles could
of course supervise things, but so could e.g. provincial governors do
also. What I would like to see discussed is that should Aediles be
active in this sort of things, and if so, in what role. I personally
see it a possible, but not the only possible, way of trying to get
more live and virtual gatherings into NR.

Second thing is about those real public facilities. To my knowledge
NR has some real public facilities currently: a piece of land in the
middle of nowhere, website and some Yahoo lists. The piece of land
has no use and I doubt if it'll ever have. The question of website is
a bit more complicated since what NR actually owns there is not very
clear. Obviously, we don't own the server and we are only renting the
disk space. It could be argued that we own the domain, but it's too
in certain ways a rented one. Still, I think there is room for
discussion about making the Aediles responsible for the website
somehow. I don't know which would be the best way to do it, but what
comes first to my mind is to have the Aediles in a similar position
as the editors-in-chief are in the magazines, i.e. making sure that
there are enough resources to keep things up-to-date and generally be
responsible for the contents of the website. The relationship with
the webmaster of course is something that needs to be discussed, too,
if anything of this sort would be done. For me the most logical
solution would be to let the webmaster to be a kind of chief
technician responsible for the technical aspects of the website and
Aediles to be responsible for the contents. The discussion also could
be broadened to give Aediles in NR in general a role for being
responsible for content, visual outlook and other of public relations
matters in NR. So, for example, the Aediles could be made responsible
for producing PR material for NR. As above with gatherings, I think
there is room for discussion of this matter, too, and many possible
solutions.

I think that, if Aediles would be made responsible for public
relations and NR image, it could increase the concentrated efforts of
NR to find new citizens and to have more real life activities as well
as to sharpen our public image and message. There seems to be a
constant lack of this sort of coordination of activities in NR, and I
think the current constitution mandates the Aediles actually to be
responsible for such things. What do you think?

Valete,

C. Curius Saturninus

Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
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A. Apollonius C. Equitio sal.

>

For my part, one of the first things I would like to proceed with if elected is my proposal for an Aedilician Fund. <

Ah! Indeed, this is very much the sort of thing I had in mind, and it would be lovely if the successful consular and aedilician candidates could take it further. But I'm not sure how you as praetor would be able to implement it yourself, especially since the lex constitutiva unhistorically prevents the praetores from legislating except when there are no consules (i.e. almost never).






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Cato M. Octavio Graccho sal.

You wrote:

"...the effort put into endless cycles of making and revising laws has
far eclipsed that put into any other activity."

With all due respect, you seem to have forgotten:

the podcast
the ludi
the new coin

just to name three. And you realize, of course, that the very process
of making our laws "shorter" and "fewer" requires the passage of...new
laws. Go figure.

Vale bene,

Cato

A. Apollonius Fl. Galerio sal.

> I take the personal view that the Pontifex Maximus is the leader of the

sacred colleges in the absence of the rex et regina sacrorum. <

I agree with that view.

> It is my opinion

that if I swear an oath not to run for an office and it is later determined
that it is in the best interests of the Republic that I should run, only the
highest authority in relation to the sacred colleges can release me from my
oath. This is not written down anywhere in the legislation of the sacred

colleges or legislation of Nova Roma. It simply represents my personal viewpoint.
<

I know it isn't written in any legislation, but I thought you might have a historical source for it. You see, as far as I know, no public priest, not even the rex sacrorum or the pontifex maximus, had any power to release private citizens from oaths; but if I'm wrong, I would like to know it! ;)

> I take my oath very seriously. <

Quite rightly so. I wouldn't suggest otherwise.





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M. Hortensia Fl. Vedio spd;
I know about Sacred Source & their wares, 'better than
nothing' is a pretty low level of expectation.
I would hope our next consul would have bigger vision than
the status quo.
And you never replied to my idea of a regional U.S. gathering -
again that speaks volumes about you as consul.
vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

> >
>
> You might find it efficacious to look at
> http://www.sacredsource.com/prodinfo.asp?number=R-PEN
>
> It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing. And it is already

out

> there.
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> >With funds we could organize an American Conventus, perhaps at

the

> >same time as Pantheacon, which takes place in February in San

Jose

> >California. Who wouldn't enjoy going to the sunshine in February?

Plus

> >air fares to California are cheap. The last time I looked it was
> >$218.00 from the East Coast round trip.
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put it.

> > bene vale
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In a message dated 10/7/2006 5:17:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rory12001@... writes:
With funds we could organize an American Conventus, perhaps at the
same time as Pantheacon, which takes place in February in San Jose
California. Who wouldn't enjoy going to the sunshine in February? Plus
air fares to California are cheap. The last time I looked it was
$218.00 from the East Coast round trip.
Obviously you haven't flown recently. And Northern Ca hotels are not cheap.
Unless you want to stay in the poor district.
We are also having an El Nino this winter, so I think you'd be luckly to see
sunshine in Feb. You'll likely get rain.

I've always wondered why we cannot find a central location in the US to hold
a gathering.
Best bet would be Las Vegas, because of its many hotels, followed by St Louis
because
of its proximity.

Q. Fabius Maximus
ProConsul California


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>
> "...the effort put into endless cycles of making and revising laws has
> far eclipsed that put into any other activity."
>
> With all due respect, you seem to have forgotten:
>
> the podcast
> the ludi
> the new coin

I respect those efforts and would like to see more like them - but
believe that more time has been expended on pointless lawmaking
and the voting, web work, and debate that are brought about as
its result.

Vale, Octavius.

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"What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese

A. Apollonius M. Moravio sal.

Many thanks for your thoughtful reply. It sounds, in general, like you see the role of the consul in these projects as one of coordinating, encouraging, and supervising: in short, making other people do things. Is that about right?

There are a few specific points I'd like to ask about.

> With few exceptions, the Consules have not been able to take

an active role in managing the Proconsules and Propraetores, and even
where they could, it has not been throughout all of Nova Roma.
<

What do you think has prevented consules from doing this, and how will you be able to succeed where previous consules have not?

> [The lex Fabia] made it the responsibility of

individual Citizens to form such communities. Instead of considering
rewriting the law, or trying to come up with a new law, I think that
next year's Consules will have to find new ways to impliment this
law. The first thing of course will be to set up guidelines for such
local communities. With the Census 2007 we will then gain
information on where they might be formed. The Consules should
actively work with Propraetores and with individual Citizens to get
local members to meet one another and encourage them to form a local
community.
<

I think I understand what you're saying, but I'd just like to check. When you say "guidelines for such local communities", what does this mean? The lex Fabia already goes into some detail about how oppida and municipia should be organized: is there any need for further detail?

> The reorganization of provicia has been discussed

by a few magistrates over the past two years. This will have to be
addressed before the Senate, but again I do not think the process
will require new laws to impliment a plan. What is envisioned is
that Proconsules and Propraetores will be assigned to oversee oppidi
and municipi more on a regional basis. This will mean that some of
our provincia will be reduced in size to facilitate local
organization by having provincia become a collection of local
communities. At the same time, the number of Proconsules and
Propraetores needed to manage the system may be reduced by placing
them over individual local communities and over what we now
provinciae. <

This really puzzles me. You want to reduce the size of provinciae *and* reduce the number of governors? How is that possible? Surely if provinces are smaller then there will be more of them, and therefore more governors?

> That income barely covers our current organizational

needs, and does not provide seed money for additional activities that
we would like to promote. <

I don't really understand this. Last time I looked at the budget, administrative costs accounted for a small fraction of annual income. The rest was put into various long-term funds. These can't accurately be called "organizational needs" - we don't *need* an endowment fund, for example, it's just something we choose to have; similarly the Magna Mater project. We could choose to do something different with some or all of this money. I'm not saying we should, but we could, and as consul you would have to make some choices about this. Are you saying you would not consider redirecting any current revenue to the sort of projects you mentioned and would only spend money on such things if revenue increased?

> If they do so, as

a nonprofit organization we can seek grant money to fund some of our
projects. This has already been suggested, and attempted with the
Magna Mater Project. But I think we could also look towards smaller
projects, of not so lengthy a duration, that might also qualify for
grants.
<

I'm very encouraged to hear you say that. How do you envisage people applying for these grants?




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Salve,
I would to to expand on what honorable Octavius and Tiberius have
already stated. The need for laws is essential, yes, but we must
expand on that. I have only seen two candidates who expressed to true
wish not to sit around and just revise the law. A good Consul with
work both on the law and in the real world. So I urge all once again
to read the Consul candidates statements before voting. We stand at
the cusp of something great, and if we choose poorly, then we repeat
the same pattern.

Vale,
Marcus Sejanus

A. Apollonius C. Curio sal.

You've made some very interesting points about the aedilitas plebis. I hope you don't mind me responding, as briefly as I can.

> First thing I would like to discuss is the "conduct of gatherings" as

the constitution puts it. For me it seems like the idea has been that
the aediles are more or less responsible for organising any
gatherings there are, real and virtual. However, to my knowledge,
this is not happening in any way currently: the aediles are not
arranging any gatherings. <

I don't think this is the correct interpretation of the lex constitutiva. Being responsible for the conduct of gatherings is very different from being responsible for the organization of gatherings. The lex constitutiva makes the aediles responsible for the way in which gatherings are conducted once those gatherings have actually begun: it does not make them responsible for making those gatherings happen in the first place.

> What I would like to see discussed is that should Aediles be

active in this sort of things, and if so, in what role. I personally
see it a possible, but not the only possible, way of trying to get
more live and virtual gatherings into NR.
<

I think you're right that the aediles are the wrong people to organize gatherings. I'd suggest that their role should be to facilitate gatherings. The aediles curules already do this to some extent, in that they preside over the process by which provinces bid to host the Conventus. C. Equitius has suggested another thing they could do, which is to help governors get money from the treasury to help organize and fund gatherings. I certainly think there should be some easy way for governors to apply for such financial support. At the moment a governor has to persuade the consules to present a motion to the senate, and then the senate has to vote: this is a long and cumbersome process and really not worth bothering with if all one needs is a contribution toward the cost of a meal for ten or something like that. This would be solved, as Cato suggests, by allowing the aediles to run a find of their own from which they could make payments without consulting the senate every time, while still allowing the senate to supervise.

> Still, I think there is room for

discussion about making the Aediles responsible for the website
somehow. I don't know which would be the best way to do it, but what
comes first to my mind is to have the Aediles in a similar position
as the editors-in-chief are in the magazines, i.e. making sure that
there are enough resources to keep things up-to-date and generally be
responsible for the contents of the website. The relationship with
the webmaster of course is something that needs to be discussed, too,
if anything of this sort would be done. For me the most logical
solution would be to let the webmaster to be a kind of chief
technician responsible for the technical aspects of the website and
Aediles to be responsible for the contents. The discussion also could
be broadened to give Aediles in NR in general a role for being
responsible for content, visual outlook and other of public relations
matters in NR. So, for example, the Aediles could be made responsible
for producing PR material for NR. As above with gatherings, I think
there is room for discussion of this matter, too, and many possible
solutions.
<

It's worth discussing, but I think there's a real danger here of expanding the duties of the aediles far beyond their proper historical role. There is no historical basis at all for making the aediles responsible for public relations or anything like that. As for the website, that's an interesting suggestion. I suppose you're thinking of this as equivalent to the aediles' ancient function of keeping public buildings and public spaces clean and in good repair. It's certainly a plausible analogy. Something to think about, indeed.

> I think that, if Aediles would be made responsible for public

relations and NR image, it could increase the concentrated efforts of
NR to find new citizens and to have more real life activities as well
as to sharpen our public image and message. There seems to be a
constant lack of this sort of coordination of activities in NR, and I
think the current constitution mandates the Aediles actually to be
responsible for such things. What do you think?
<

I really don't think the lex constitutiva contains any such requirement. We have to draw a distinction between, on the one hand, the maintenance of public spaces and facilities and, on the other hand, image and presentation to outsiders. It's true that "public spaces" and "public image" both contain the word "public", but the meaning is entirely different. Public spaces and public facilities are those spaces and facilities used by members of our community. They are internal matters. The historical duties of the aediles were all concerned with making the economic and social life of the community function smoothly by maintaining the spaces and buildings where that life took place. They were not in the tiniest bit concerned with how the republic presented itself to, or interacted with, outsiders. This is an entirely different sense of the word "public". It is equivalent to things like diplomacy and international relations, and these things are in the remit of the senate, the higher magistrates, and the fetiales. Recruiting new citizens, publicizing Nova Roma, and things like that have nothing to do with the aediles and should not have anything to do with the aediles. The aediles were, and are, and should be, responsible for internal matters within the community, not outside.







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Salve,

Maior wrote:

>M. Hortensia Fl. Vedio spd;
> I know about Sacred Source & their wares, 'better than
>nothing' is a pretty low level of expectation.
> I would hope our next consul would have bigger vision than
>the status quo.
> And you never replied to my idea of a regional U.S. gathering -
>again that speaks volumes about you as consul.
> vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>

One tries to be helpful, and this is the inevitable response from some
quarters. You say you want one, you'd pay for one, and I tell you where
you can find one, and I am accused of a lack of vision. *sigh*

To your specific point, I would rather have Nova Roma empower a dozen
craftsmen, giving them the knowledge, the market, and the audience to
make and sell lararia, rather than have the Republic itself "go into the
lararium business." We have provisions for an Ordo Equestor for a
reason, and that is precisely it. Or would you have us empanel yet
another new magistrate in charge of our lararium business, to operate
under yet another set of laws regulating their form, his production
output, distribution deadlines and so forth? Far better we put lararia
in the hands of those who practice the Religio, and support our own
craftspeople in the process.

But if you would rather wait for an "Official" Nova Roman Lararium (tm),
that is, of course, your prerogative. I personally find something better
than nothing. If we had waited until we had perfection in 1998, Nova
Roma would still be nothing more than an idea today, waiting for its
birth until it was absolutely perfect in form and implementation. But it
takes more than ideas to launch such enterprises, be they something as
humble as an online lararium business or something as audacious as the
restoration of the Roman Republic. It takes... vision.

As far as your idea of a U.S. Conventus, I did not remark upon it
because I find it unremarkable. I would rather see a hundred small
gatherings that spring up organically, than one large one decreed from
above. And certainly picking a venue for such a thing is a premature
thing to do at best. For that matter, we have two de facto candidates
for an American Conventus already; Roman Days in Maryland (at which Nova
Roma has maintained a presence since our inception) and Roman Market
Days up in Maine, which is a purely Nova Roman event.

But I must ask. Why does something have to be declared THE official
gathering?

Let us have a hundred, nay a thousand, local groups, constantly meeting,
planning, learning, worshipping, building, selling, displaying,
dramatizing, etc. etc. etc. If done properly, with the right amount of
support from the central and provincial governments, and the right
amount of getting-out-of-the-way, you will see a natural process whereby
some events become large and treasured annual get-togethers. It is the
nature of things. And the ones which will truly see success are not
going to be the ones that are decreed from on high as being The One.
Starwood (one of the largest pagan gatherings in North America) grew
from 185 people 25 years ago to more than 1,500 today. Could anyone have
predicted that Starwood, of all the pagan gatherings going on in the
early 1980's, would be one of the few that caught on and became
world-famous? Of course not.

Before we start to worry about The Big One, let's get a bunch of the
little ones off the ground.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
Consular
Senator

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flavius_Vedius_Germanicus_(Election_MMDCCLIX)

F. Galerius Aurelianus M. Pontio Sejano. Salve.

I do not understand how anyone can believe that Vedius Germanicus will be
able to serve Nova Roma effectively. He has twice resigned sacred offices,
magistracies, and his citizenship. He backed away from returning to his duties
as an augur when there was a question of his seniority in the Sacred College
of Augurs. I cannot recall any occasion on the ML where he was mentioned as
participating in a real world Roman event in the last three years. I can
find no examples, of any sort, in the last three years in which Vedius
Germanicus has done anything to further the expansion of Nova Roma or the Sacra et
Religio either on the internet or in the real world. I respect him for helping
to found Nova Roma and insuring the survival of our model republic as
Dictator but I do not have any confidence in his ability or vision as a candidate
for consul.
I believe that if F. Vedius Germanicus wishes to demonstrate his willingness
to serve Nova Roma and its expansion, he should take up a position, such as
a regio praefect in his home province for a year. If he can expand the
citizenship, the tax base, and public events and keep his oath of office, I would
acccept him as a viable candidate for consul in the future. However, there
is nothing in his actions over the last three years that demonstrates he is
politically or personally reliable.
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus has never resigned from any office he has been
elected to and was willing to step down for one year after he served as
praetor. He stepped up only when it was clear that Nova Roma lacked enough
candidates. He has faced some serious challenges and obstacles during his offices.
He has been willing to compromise on occasion but he has made some mistakes,
in my opinion, that could have been avoided. While he is not a follower of
the Sacra et Religio Romana, he has always shown that he is willing to honor
Dii Immortales. As Praetor, he reintroduced the historically correct practice
of sponsoring the Ludi Apollonaires and worked with the aediles to hold a
successful event.
Finally, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus has never, ever broken his oath of
office or his personal oath, to the best of my knowledge.

Vadite in pace Cereris.


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What the matter with holding an event in a place with camping or rustic
cabins, Maximo? It would be far less expensive for many of the citizens.
However, I would suggest that instead of attempting a major meeting of all the
American provinces, we consider holding local events in conjunction with Italian
cultural faires, existing pagan festivals, and museum events and then, move
up to interprovincial events.

Aureliane


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M.Hortensia Q. Fabio spd;
actually I thought Pantheacon would be a natural as it is the big
pagan gathering. I think it's about $645.00
But I agree with you that Las Vegas would be excellent; everyone
is worshipping Fortuna! Didn't a civis just post that he works at
Harrah's; what is his name? This is ideal. Let's do it.
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

ps. St. Louis -no one really wants to go there,we're better off with
a fun location.

> With funds we could organize an American Conventus, perhaps at the
> same time as Pantheacon, which takes place in February in San Jose
> California. Who wouldn't enjoy going to the sunshine in February?

Plus

> air fares to California are cheap. The last time I looked it was
> $218.00 from the East Coast round trip.
> Obviously you haven't flown recently. And Northern Ca hotels are

not cheap.

> Unless you want to stay in the poor district.
> We are also having an El Nino this winter, so I think you'd be

luckly to see

> sunshine in Feb. You'll likely get rain.
>
> I've always wondered why we cannot find a central location in the

US to hold

> a gathering.
> Best bet would be Las Vegas, because of its many hotels, followed

by St Louis

> because
> of its proximity.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
> ProConsul California
>
>
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>

M. Hortensia Maior quiritibus spd;
L. Arminius Faustus was my gens brother before I was given
the honour of reviving Gens Hortensia. I cannot imagine a better
candidate for Consul.
Faustus is a Latin speaker, classicist, worshipper of the
gods, a true lover of Roma Antiqua. He has the knowledge, to lead
Nova Roma into a truly more Roman direction.
He is also a civis of Provincia Brasilia a very lively
province in NR. Please let's elect magistrates with the know-how &
have a truly international view of Nova Roma.
Lucius Arminius Faustus embodies the Roman virtues ; he is
would be an ideal consul!
bene valete in pacem deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior, aedilis plebis
producer "Vox Romana"




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
<lafaustus@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete, citizens,
>
> "For a more roman Nova Roma" - If you honour me with your votes,

this will

> be my goal. As I always defended in the Tribunate and Praetorship.
>
> This single phrase is rich of meanings. It means:
>
> 1. Balance to the powers - Comitia, Senate and Magistrates
> 2. Honouring to the Tribunes and their Sainctatis
> 3. Respect the many religios and freedom of NR citizens
> 4. Universalization of Nova Roma by the many provinces.
> 5. Honour the Senate, making it fullfill its goal - the deposit of

wisdow

> and long-term planning in NR.
> 6. Honour the Comitia, as the source of Imperium and ultimate

tribunal,

> source of all auctoritas on the Republic.
> 7. Opening space for new citizens raise the cursum honorum and

refreshing

> the Republic. No personallity cult.
> 8. Reform whenever necessary to bring us closer to roman system.
> 9. No-Prejudices in NR
> 10. Love to the roman gods.
>
> Unfortunately, this takes more than one consulship to accomplish.

However, I

> will just be happy to be another ´brick in the wall´ on the

sucession of

> good consules we had years past.
>
> For obeying this goals, I ask special favour of goddess Concordia.

Without

> her blessings, no sucessfull consulship is possible.
>
>
> Valete bene in pacem deorum,
> L. Arminius Faustus
>
>
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>

Salve,

Everyone could always come to Wichita, KS instead of St. Louie :-) Of
course going to "Caesars Palace" would be a perfect setting.

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

Maior wrote:

> M.Hortensia Q. Fabio spd;
> actually I thought Pantheacon would be a natural as it is the big
> pagan gathering. I think it's about $645.00
> But I agree with you that Las Vegas would be excellent; everyone
> is worshipping Fortuna! Didn't a civis just post that he works at
> Harrah's; what is his name? This is ideal. Let's do it.
> bene vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>
> ps. St. Louis -no one really wants to go there,we're better off with
> a fun location.
>
>
>
>> With funds we could organize an American Conventus, perhaps at the
>> same time as Pantheacon, which takes place in February in San Jose
>> California. Who wouldn't enjoy going to the sunshine in February?
>>
> Plus
>
>> air fares to California are cheap. The last time I looked it was
>> $218.00 from the East Coast round trip.
>> Obviously you haven't flown recently. And Northern Ca hotels are
>>
> not cheap.
>
>> Unless you want to stay in the poor district.
>> We are also having an El Nino this winter, so I think you'd be
>>
> luckly to see
>
>> sunshine in Feb. You'll likely get rain.
>>
>> I've always wondered why we cannot find a central location in the
>>
> US to hold
>
>> a gathering.
>> Best bet would be Las Vegas, because of its many hotels, followed
>>
> by St Louis
>
>> because
>> of its proximity.
>>
>> Q. Fabius Maximus
>> ProConsul California
>>
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Cato Octavio sal.

Octavius, I understand what you are saying; I would, however, ask you
to consider this: what exactly would you remove from the tabularium?
What law or laws do you see as unnecessary? With what would you
replace the tabularium? To some, I know that the seemingly endless
rounds of debates that surround our approach to the tabularium are
useless squabbling and a waste of time. I make two comments on that
line of thought:

1. There is, for an apparent number of us, an enjoyment in seeing and
being involved in the creation and development of our own government.
The creation of a functioning legal and political community is not
just a matter of giving people neat names and titles and then just
assuming that everything will just roll along happily without another
care in the world. This is not, to my mind, just another on-line chat
group. Nor do I want it to be. It is something more, something
deeper, a call for each of us; the response to which is to create a
real, living and breathing Republic. And the Republic after which we
model ourselves left a legal and political legacy which has endured
for almost three thousand years. To dismiss that legacy because we do
not have a community numbering in the millions is defeatist; our own
citizenry stretches now beyond any physical and social boundaries
imaginable to the ancient Romans. Yes, we have an "active" community
of only a few hundred; but we have over one thousand subscribers to
this Forum alone, and who knows how many thousands see our Wiki pages
and home web page? If, and I repeat IF, we are to be taken seriously
on any level, we must show the hallmarks of a serious endeavor. We
claim to be attempting a restoration of the Roman Republic. A Roman
Republic without law - and a set of laws that encompasses all kinds of
interactions - is ludicrous. And creating that law, defining it in
terms that both respect the great legal tradition of the ancient Roman
Republic and acknowledge the intervening centuries of social,
technological, and psychological advance, takes time and effort and
yes, a whole bunch of arguing. We are carrying on a great tradition.

2. I forget what my second comment was.

Vale bene,

Cato

> I respect those efforts and would like to see more like them - but
> believe that more time has been expended on pointless lawmaking
> and the voting, web work, and debate that are brought about as
> its result.
>
> Vale, Octavius.

M. Hortensia M. Octavio Graccho spd;
you make a fine point. We should get rid of the
Constitution & return as much as possible to the ways Romans
legislated during the Republic. It wouldn't be that difficult & we
are developing a real mos.
Let's return to the past to build an authentic
Nova Roman future.
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

>
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2006, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> > "We need to clean house. This upcoming consulship will be a

failure unless,

> > at its finish, there are *fewer* and *shorter* laws than before."
> >
> > I could not agree more!
>
> How many leges do we even have? How many of these are still in
> effect? Does anyone know, or can anyone know, without devoting
> dozens of hours to study of the tabularium?
>
> The old tabularium (http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/) lists
> one hundred and one laws! And this doesn't include anything from
> last year or this year (when it was replaced by the new system).
> Nor does it include Senatus Consulta, Edicts, or any of the

hundreds

> of provincial decrees.
>
> More than one hundred and one laws - for an organisation with 232
> active members.
>
> These laws have driven away some of our best citizens. Consider
> Lucius Marius Fimbria, one of our most enthusiastic early members,
> who left after a law was specifically written to prevent him
> from using his chosen name. Consider Caius Minucius Scaevola,
> who simply walked away when a silly slander lawsuit was filed
> against him for ordinary rhetoric common on any mailing list.
> (For that matter, consider his antagonist in that battle, who
> hasn't been seen here since he lost his case.)
>
> Then consider Appius Claudius Priscus, who mass-mailed three
> hundred citizens repeatedly with offensive racist and sexist
> drivel - but we couldn't get rid of him. The consuls and
> censores could do almost nothing to rid this republic of a
> known menace, because of the enormous burden of laws that
> we are forced to work under. He left only because we wore
> him down with dozens of small actions. A community that
> cannot purge itself of a malicious individual is not
> a healthy community.
>
> More than one hundred and one laws.
>
> Is it any wonder we haven't grown in numbers for years?
>
> Valete, M. Octavius Gracchus.
>
> --
> hucke@...
> http://www.graveyards.com
>
> "What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
> clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
> over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese
>

--M. Hortensia Galerio Aureliano spd;
(vocative of Maximus is Maxime) Because if I wanted to camp
out I could go to Roman Days with the Legios. Las Vegas at least is
a fun destination & truly Roman in many ways.

As for local events. You, to your credit as propraetor, are indeed e
having one in my province - only it is in Atlanta, Georgia. I live
in central, North Carolina, for me to fly to Atlanta, stay the night
etc.costs lots of $..I'd rather have a big fun holiday in Las Vegas
or at least Pantheacon.

America is as big as all of Europe. We're spread out. Meeting, 2 or
3 isn't the same as getting together for a big fun time with a ton
of other Nova Romans. I had a splendid time in New York and there
must have been 15 of us.

I'm going to the next Conventus in Merida. Why? Because I'll be
meeting people I consider my friends, see ruins & meet tons of other
Nova Romans. It's a great incentive.
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior
(it helps if you sign with your full name so the person knows how to
address you.I'm sorry but I've forgotten your prenomen.)

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

>
> What the matter with holding an event in a place with camping or

rustic

> cabins, Maximo? It would be far less expensive for many of the

citizens.

> However, I would suggest that instead of attempting a major

meeting of all the

> American provinces, we consider holding local events in

conjunction with Italian

> cultural faires, existing pagan festivals, and museum events and

then, move

> up to interprovincial events.
>
> Aureliane
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

F. Galerius Aurelianus Marca Hortensia Maior. Salve.

There have been public functions in Austrorientalis before I became
propraetor and now. As of yet, no citizens in N. Carolina or S. Carolina have made
any suggestions about holding an event in those state or in connection with
any other organizational events. I continue to hear about how difficult it is
to hold functions in other provinces because of distance and low population
density. Austrorientalis has about 88 citizens but we held the Neptunalia
with about 14 people in attendance; six NR citizens plus family members and
friends. If citizens which to go to Vegas and party among the casinos, I have
nothing against it. However, I find a greater enjoyment in celebrating Roman
festivals with my fellow citizens within the province.
Are there any pagan festivals or public events in your state that Nova Roma
could be a part of so we could get some attention & new members? Do you need
some assistance on researching events in your area?
I became Propraetor to expand Nova Roma in the physical world and have had
some success. My sister, Violentilla, has constructed, consecrated, and
dedicated (with the assistance of Metellus Pontifex, myself, and others) a
physical templum to Neptunus Equestor that anyone can visit by contacting her. The
dedication was based on a traditional formula to allow anyone to sacrifice
there for any reason. Stone altars to the Penates, the Manes, Dii Immortales,
and Neptunus have been erected. My sister has sworn to erect altars to Diana
and Faunus at future festivals. I cannot think of anything that is more
traditionally Roman than that. We visited, ate, and drank many cups of wine to
Neptunus to celebrate His festival.
Soon we will celebrate the Saturnalia in December followed, in February, by
public celebration of the Lupercalia (held last year), Parentalia and Cara
Cognatio (with the Galeria and other NRomans who have become our cousins). Our
province will continue to celebrate, teach, and enjoy Roman culture by
doing. As a citizen of our province, you should help, aid, and assist us to bring
Nova Roma to the real world. I look forward to your participation in our
efforts.

Vadite in pace Cereris.



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Valetudo quod fortuna omnes;

In the upcoming elections, I will support those who will:

1. Decrease the number of laws
2. Increase the spirit of justice
3. Encourage Nova Roman cives, and others, to meet face-to-face
4. Wisely husband our monetary resources for growth

I have been a citizen of Nova Roma since July of 1998 CE; number 78 to
be exact. I believe that I am among the few dozen still "here" of
that number. There are many who have gone that I miss.

I do not worship the Capitaline Trio and Their cohorts. I do worship
the Holy Powers of the Germanii.

I look upon the practitioners of the Religio Romana as Cousins Germane
within the larger "Indo-European" family. I look to Nova Roma as a
place where the Religio is not just protected, but is nurtured.

I look upon Nova Roma as a people/place whose heart is big enough to
welcome men and women of many faiths; in support of and with respect
for the Religio.

Unlike many of my co-religionists (amongst others) I care if Nova Roma succeeds.

Our Res Publica is just over 8 years old.

If She were a human child, She'd be just finishing up the "Brownie"
Girl Scout program and entering the "Junior" GS level.

Young entities, natural born and artificial, make mistakes; it's all
part of the learning process.

Nova Roma has built and presented a lovely cart.

But, the horse has not yet been born.

Let us use this coming year to polish the cart; also breed, birth,
rear and train the horse.

A few sesterces - Venator, World's Biggest Hope-er

Salve,
Just for the record to my esteemed Nova Romans, I happen to live in
Las Vegas and actual work for Harrahs Entertainment, and on any given
week I spend 3 or more days at the Palace deep in the catacombs. As
to Tiberius concept of a conclave in Vegas, well he has my support.

Marcus Sejanus

Salvete quirites,

I had intended to take a year off from public service, but we seem to
have a shortage of candidates. Thus I have convinced my dear wife to
reluctantly agree to me offering my services to the Republic next year
as a Quaestor.

My qualifications: I've been a Curule Aedile and a Consul. In those
offices I've had quaestors assigned to me. I've also worked with
praetorian quaestors on praetorian staffs. I know what quaestors have to
do. I'm a physicist with more formal mathematics training than most
mathematicians. I can certainly handle the math required to keep accounts.

I'm currently a Censor and a Senator. I'm also a Lictor of the Comitia
Curiata, and an officer of several sodalities. I've been in Nova Roma
for over five years. I actually wouldn't run for the quaestorship if
there were people who weren't as overqualified for the job as I am
standing. But there aren't. So here I am. I hope my example will
inspire some of my fellow senators to step forward and take up the
responsibilities of the minor magestracies for which we as of yet lack
candidates.

Valete,

Gn. Equitius Marinus

-M. Hortensia F Galerio Aureliano spd;
I think you are doing a splendid job. I have just lived
here a year. I was the propraetrix of Hibernia with 1 meeting to my
credit. And the present prop. whom I know went to the Conventus in
Britannia.
I did join the Duke pagans but they fizzled out & I'm sorry
to say the local druids are not for me ...I hopt to recruit members
for "Vox Romana" podcast from the local classics dept and that is
how I hope to recruit and also via my alumni organization.
When I go to New York city I always try to get in touch
with local Nova Romans to get together. It can just be sharing a
meal & a glass of wine, but that is also great.
You and your sister Violentilla are fine examples of
just what can be done.
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

> F. Galerius Aurelianus Marca Hortensia Maior. Salve.
>
> There have been public functions in Austrorientalis before I

became

> propraetor and now. As of yet, no citizens in N. Carolina or S.

Carolina have made

> any suggestions about holding an event in those state or in

connection with

> any other organizational events. I continue to hear about how

difficult it is

> to hold functions in other provinces because of distance and low

population

> density. Austrorientalis has about 88 citizens but we held the

Neptunalia

> with about 14 people in attendance; six NR citizens plus family

members and

> friends. If citizens which to go to Vegas and party among the

casinos, I have

> nothing against it. However, I find a greater enjoyment in

celebrating Roman

> festivals with my fellow citizens within the province.
> Are there any pagan festivals or public events in your state that

Nova Roma

> could be a part of so we could get some attention & new members?

Do you need

> some assistance on researching events in your area?
> I became Propraetor to expand Nova Roma in the physical world and

have had

> some success. My sister, Violentilla, has constructed,

consecrated, and

> dedicated (with the assistance of Metellus Pontifex, myself, and

others) a

> physical templum to Neptunus Equestor that anyone can visit by

contacting her. The

> dedication was based on a traditional formula to allow anyone to

sacrifice

> there for any reason. Stone altars to the Penates, the Manes,

Dii Immortales,

> and Neptunus have been erected. My sister has sworn to erect

altars to Diana

> and Faunus at future festivals. I cannot think of anything that

is more

> traditionally Roman than that. We visited, ate, and drank many

cups of wine to

> Neptunus to celebrate His festival.
> Soon we will celebrate the Saturnalia in December followed, in

February, by

> public celebration of the Lupercalia (held last year), Parentalia

and Cara

> Cognatio (with the Galeria and other NRomans who have become our

cousins). Our

> province will continue to celebrate, teach, and enjoy Roman

culture by

> doing. As a citizen of our province, you should help, aid, and

assist us to bring

> Nova Roma to the real world. I look forward to your

participation in our

> efforts.
>
> Vadite in pace Cereris.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hortensia Marce Sejane spd;
many thanks for posting, I sent a copy to myself so I shan't
forget you. This is just the thing Maximus or our next consul should
do. Nova Roma needs an American Conventus!
I think I can worship Fortuna, drink some wine & put on my
toga & maybe watch some legionairies;-) Amici this would put us on the
map. We could make it a yearly meeting; people would take their
vacations there, spouses would happily acquiesce..
bene vale in pacem deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "legio_vi_tribunis"
<marcus.sejanus@...> wrote:

>
> Salve,
> Just for the record to my esteemed Nova Romans, I happen to live in
> Las Vegas and actual work for Harrahs Entertainment, and on any given
> week I spend 3 or more days at the Palace deep in the catacombs. As
> to Tiberius concept of a conclave in Vegas, well he has my support.
>
> Marcus Sejanus
>

In a message dated 10/8/2006 2:32:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:

What the matter with holding an event in a place with camping or rustic
cabins, Maximo? It would be far less expensive for many of the citizens.
However, I would suggest that instead of attempting a major meeting of all
the
American provinces, we consider holding local events in conjunction with
Italian
cultural faires, existing pagan festivals, and museum events and then, move
up to interprovincial events.



Actually its Maxime. I don't mind rustic events, but we seem to have
problems getting civvies to any event. When the Getty reopened the Santa Monica
Roman Villa I tried to organize a field trip there. I had one interested
civvie from San Diego. I ended going by myself non togate.

San Diego Nat. Hist Museum will have 22 of the dead sea scrolls on exhibit
next year.
That might be worth a look see.

Q. Fabius Maximus



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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VII Idus Octobris; haec dies comitialis est.

"When the envoys had withdrawn, the senate proceeded to discuss the
question. Many of the members realised how the largest and richest
city in Italy, with a very productive country near the sea, could
become the granary of Rome, and supply every variety of provision.
Notwithstanding, however, loyalty to treaties outweighed even these
great advantages, and the consul was authorised by the senate to give
the following reply: "The senate is of opinion, Campanians, that you
are worthy of our aid, but justice demands that friendship with you
shall be established on such a footing that no older friendship and
alliance is thereby impaired. Therefore we refuse to employ on your
behalf against the Samnites arms which would offend the gods sooner
than they injured men. We shall, as is just and right, send an embassy
to our allies and friends to ask that no hostile violence be offered
you." Thereupon the leader of the embassy, acting according to the
instructions they had brought with them, said: "Even though you are
not willing to make a just use of force against brute force and
injustice in defence of what belongs to us, you will at all events
defend what belongs to you. Wherefore we now place under your sway and
jurisdiction, senators, and that of the Roman people, the people of
Campania and the city of Capua, its fields, its sacred temples, all
things human and divine. Henceforth we are prepared to suffer what we
may have to suffer as men who have surrendered themselves into your
hands." At these words they all burst into tears and stretching out
their hands towards the consul they prostrated themselves on the floor
of the vestibule.

The senators were deeply moved by this instance of the vicissitudes of
human fortune, where a people abounding in wealth, famous for their
pride and luxuriousness, and from whom, shortly before, their
neighbours had sought assistance, were now so broken in spirit that
they put themselves and all that belonged to them under the power and
authority of others. It at once became a matter of honour that men who
had formally surrendered themselves should not be left to their fate,
and it was resolved "that the Samnite nation would commit a wrongful
act if they attacked a city and territory which had by surrender
become the possession of Rome." They determined to lose no time in
despatching envoys to the Samnites. Their instructions were to lay
before them the request of the Campanians, the reply which the senate,
mindful of their friendly relations with the Samnites, had given, and
lastly the surrender which had been made. They were to request the
Samnites, in virtue of the friendship and alliance which existed
between them, to spare those who had made a surrender of themselves
and to take no hostile action against that territory which had become
the possession of the Roman people. If these mild remonstrances proved
ineffective, they were to solemnly warn the Samnites in the name of
the senate and people of Rome to keep their hands off the city of
Capua and the territory of Campania. The envoys delivered their
instructions in the national council of Samnium. The reply they
received was couched in such defiant terms that not only did the
Samnites declare their intention of pursuing the war against Capua,
but their magistrates went outside the council chamber and, in tones
loud enough for the envoys to hear, ordered the prefects of cohorts to
march at once into the Campanian territory and ravage it." - Livy,
History of Rome 7.31


Today is dedicated to the goddess Felicitas. Felicitas is the Roman
goddess of good luck, to whom a temple was first built in the mid-2nd
century B.C. She became the special protector of successful
commanders. Caesar planned to erect another temple to her, and it was
built by the triumvir M. Aemilius Lepidus. The emperors made her
prominent as symbolizing the blessings of the imperial regime.
Felicitas is usually holding a caduceus and a cornucopia, symbols of
health and wealth.

109 Felicitas is a dark and fairly large main belt asteroid,
discovered by C. H. F. Peters on October 9, 1869 and named after the
goddess.


"I built the following structures: The Senate House, and the
Chalcidicum (Records Office) adjoining it; the Temple of Apollo on the
Palatine Hill, with its porticoes..." - Augustus, "Works of Augustus"
19 (A.D.13)

On this day in 28 B,C., Augustus dedicated the Temple of Apollo.


Valete bene!

Cato


SOURCES

Livy, Felicitas (Felicitas." Encyclopædia Britannica{2005}), Augustus,
Wikipedia

Cato A Apollonio Sal.

Salve Corde.

According to the lex Constitutiva, the praetors have the power to

"To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to engage in those tasks
which advance the mission and function of Nova Roma and to administer
the law (such edicts being binding upon themselves as well as others)"
(lex Const. IV.A.3.b)

A praetorial edict creating the Aedilician Fund could certainly be
construed as advancing the "mission and function of Nova Roma", could
it not?

It is true that the Senate controls the aerarium (the Treasury) and
has the authority to "oversee the financial endeavors, health, and
policy of the state" (lex Const. V.A), but "oversee" does not imply
"create" or "restrict", especially as the proposed Aedilician Fund
would not be composed of monies from the Treasury of the State.

Vale bene,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:

>
>
> A. Apollonius C. Equitio sal.
>
> Ah! Indeed, this is very much the sort of thing I had in mind, and

it would be lovely if the successful consular and aedilician
candidates could take it further. But I'm not sure how you as praetor
would be able to implement it yourself, especially since the lex
constitutiva unhistorically prevents the praetores from legislating
except when there are no consules (i.e. almost never).

>
>
>
>
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Salvete Quirites omnes

Can we take a sober look at some of the ideas being discussed?

First, in regard to certain projects that have been mentioned, they
have come about by few individuals working as teams. That is the
case with the podcast, the ludi, the production of coins. We can
also include the production of the Aquila, the revamping of the
website, the formation of sodalitates, and the Conventus. The Magna
Mater Project entails an effort of greater scope in which Nova Roma
takes on a supportive role to others. There, Nova Roma is to provide
promotion and fundraising for the restoration of the Palatine site.
The MMP, just within Nova Roma, is composed of small teams performing
different aspects of the project.

Secondly, in regard to holding events like the Conventus anywhere in
North or South America, wherever such would be held, you would need a
local team of dedicated individuals to host it. We might do better
trying to host events within smaller regions. However, if you look
at the size of some of the provinciae in North America, they are
already regional - some more than others - and there has not been
much success in the past eight years of holding gatherings even on a
provincial level.

With regard to Nova Roma's laws, any thought of codifying,
condensing, revamping the many laws into something coherent and
easily usable, would again take a team of dedicated and knowledgeable
individuals to do the major portion of the work. I suggested such an
approach and helped to guide the effort when SVR rewrote its Regulae
in an effort that would be comparable to Nova Roma totally rewriting
its Constitution. It would prove a greater effort in Nova Roma, I
think, because there are so many additional laws here, and more
diverse perspectives in Nova Roma on what the law should provide.

The sobering factor is that we have less than 300 active members who
are scattered throughout the world. They are active on very
different levels. Among these are those who are active in the sense
that they have paid taxes - the assidui. In addition are some capite
censi who, although they do not pay taxes, do participate in list
discussions, in our sodalitates, vote, and would attend local
gatherings assuming that one was held nearby. These "active" capite
censi are really few in numeber compared to all we count as cives of
Nova Roma. And we might include others as well, those who subscribe
to our lists or who use our website frequently, so that the total
number of individuals worldwide that Nova Roma reaches is maybe
1,500. However, when you really get down to it and look at who is
involved in the various teams that Nova Roma has working, we see the
same individuals. A bare handful of fifty people really, at times
more perhaps, but never approaching a hundred, and all of them
scattered throughout the world. Their efforts are divided into
different projects, in different areas of responsibilities as they
hold various offices, as well as have their attention brought into
list activities, so that not a great deal is being accomplished from
year to year.

Discussion on holding events is due to the desire and need of people
to have personal contact in ways that can only be provided by meeting
face to face. Holding a regional conventus offers some temporary
satisfaction, but we need a more personal approach on the lowest
levels to build up Nova Roma. It will have to be done on an oppidium
by oppdium basis initially. If we shifted our focus over to
supporting individuals to form oppidi, keeping them active, joining
one opidium with another on occasion, then the growth and stability
of Nova Roma would follow. We would increase our tax base. We would
increase the number of teams available to work on a variety of
projects. We would have oppidi interacting with other groups or with
individual members of other groups. We would have real world events
hosted locally by an oppidium that could be used to recruit new
members. And an important factor in all of this would be the social
bonds created in an oppidium, growing into a municipium, and then
linking with others to form its respective provinca. That would give
Nova Roma a solid basis on which to grow. All of the other ideas I
have seen discussed can develop out of it, but until Nova Roma has a
solid bsis and a means to further actual growth it is only to remain
as it is, an online community that is little more than a discussion
group.

Valete optime
M Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > "...the effort put into endless cycles of making and revising
laws has
> > far eclipsed that put into any other activity."
> >
> > With all due respect, you seem to have forgotten:
> >
> > the podcast
> > the ludi
> > the new coin
>
> I respect those efforts and would like to see more like them - but
> believe that more time has been expended on pointless lawmaking
> and the voting, web work, and debate that are brought about as
> its result.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> hucke@...
> http://www.graveyards.com
>
> "What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
> clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
> over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese
>

SALVE CATO !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

> According to the lex Constitutiva, the praetors have the power to
> "To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to engage in those tasks
> which advance the mission and function of Nova Roma and to

administer the law (such edicts being binding upon themselves as
well as others)"

> (lex Const. IV.A.3.b)
>
> A praetorial edict creating the Aedilician Fund could certainly be
> construed as advancing the "mission and function of Nova Roma",

could it not? >>>

Try to imagine what is happen if any magistrate putting in front of
his action " mission and function of NR " will issue edicts with
different proposals. Bassed by a magistrate proposal, that is the
Senate job. This is the proper way to keep order.

> It is true that the Senate controls the aerarium (the Treasury) and
> has the authority to "oversee the financial endeavors, health, and
> policy of the state" (lex Const. V.A), but "oversee" does not imply
> "create" or "restrict", especially as the proposed Aedilician Fund
> would not be composed of monies from the Treasury of the State.>>>

Yes, but the decision is still the Senate job. We talking about a
state decision. Why state decision ? Because the NR name is involved
and the repercurssions are to the NR, too.
Aedilician Fund is an individual proposal ( sustained by many,
including me ). It need the state approval.
It's different when I and you, as private citizens, will create a
fund for our own discretion.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

SALVE EQUITE MARINE !

A nice example.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salvete quirites,

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Cato Iulio Sabino sal.

Salve Sabine!

You bring up an interesting point. Magistrates are elected precisely
because the citizens feel that they hold the necessary qualifications,
both tangible and intangible, to fulfill their expectations - there is
the assumption that the People are confident that the individuals
elected to fill magistracies can do so, and the People grant them (the
magistrates) various powers and authority to do so. Now imagine that
these elected magistrates proceed to issue edicta in compliance with
the lex Constitutiva, to "advance the mission and function" of Nova Roma.

This already happens, and the Senate has nothing to do with it. You
and I, as curule aediles, have issued a series of edicta concerning
the running of the Macellum, the celebrations of the ludi, &c.,
exactly as we should have in order to fulfill our obligations and
duties under the law. It was entirely unnecessary to consult the
Senate before issuing these edicts simply because the People, not the
Senate, is the source of the authority by which we are enabled to
issue such edicts.

You are entirely correct in one way - it would certainly be possible
for me to create the Gaius Equitius Cato Fund For Helping Citizens Do
Things, and it could function privately. But the goal of the proposed
Fund is much more important than any single individual; I think it
entirely within the scope of praetorial authority to issue such an
edict which, like many others, could be continued by those who
followed in the praetorship, year after year.

Vale bene,

Cato

Salvete omnes,

The Senate is called to order jointly for October 9, 2006 (2759) by
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, Consul, and Pompeia Minucia Stabo,
Consul.There are five constitutional amendments under
consideration. There will be 96 hours of discussion, followed by 96
hours of voting. Discussion shall end on Thursday October 12th,
followed by voting which shall end on Monday October 16th Rome time.

The Senate is asked to consider the following constitutional
amendments. The purpose of the first four amendments is to bridge
the language of some of our leges with the constitution in terms of
citizens' rights, to provide more specific language of provocatio
and other appeals proceedings relative to comitia, to lend more
weight to the nota language and to reconcile the role of comitia in
judicial proceedings. The last constitutional amendment is the
Religio reform proposal sent to the senate for discussion back in
April by Senator Cn. Salvius Astur. The Religio reform proposal,
known here as Lex Fabia de Quattuor Collegiis Summis Sacerdotalibus,
was approved by the Collegium Pontificum back in July.

These amendments are to be voted on in segments, so that the
Senators are not obligated to vote for an entire 'package' of
amendments.


The amendments adopted by this august body shall be presented to the
Comitia Centuriata for their approval. At this time appropriate
nomenclature shall be assigned to the first four amendments.


The complete text of the constitution may be found here, for your
convenience:


http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Current_constitution_%28Nova_Roma%29


Valete:

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

Tribunis Plebis

Senator

This would be a great idea. I have participated in many 1861 civil
war events and they have done wonders for furthering the cause of
knowledge.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> What the matter with holding an event in a place with camping or
rustic
> cabins, Maximo? It would be far less expensive for many of the
citizens.
> However, I would suggest that instead of attempting a major
meeting of all the
> American provinces, we consider holding local events in
conjunction with Italian
> cultural faires, existing pagan festivals, and museum events and
then, move
> up to interprovincial events.
>
> Aureliane
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete omnes,

I would say that M Moravius Piscinus has hit the nail on the head in
his missive below and I agree with his observations 100%.
We are not unique; other clubs and societies I have belonged to over
the years always have just a small handful of core people forever
running them year after year through thick and thin. Hundreds come
and go just occasionaly attending the festivities but not wanting to
be active. Still things get done, the clubs grow little by little
and there are times some feel like pulling the plug but they keep
pushing on just the same since all the years of time and effort are
efforts not that easy to dispose of on a lark or particular bad day.

My wife,Vibia Lucretia has a more stoic attitude about members and
friends. Like her mom said, they are like the feathers on a
chicken's back - some grow, fall out but always new ones come in.


Regards,

QSP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete Quirites omnes
>
> Can we take a sober look at some of the ideas being discussed?
>
> First, in regard to certain projects that have been mentioned,

they

> have come about by few individuals working as teams. That is the
> case with the podcast, the ludi, the production of coins. We can
> also include the production of the Aquila, the revamping of the
> website, the formation of sodalitates, and the Conventus. The

Magna

> Mater Project entails an effort of greater scope in which Nova

Roma

> takes on a supportive role to others. There, Nova Roma is to

provide

> promotion and fundraising for the restoration of the Palatine

site.

> The MMP, just within Nova Roma, is composed of small teams

performing

> different aspects of the project.
>
> Secondly, in regard to holding events like the Conventus anywhere

in

> North or South America, wherever such would be held, you would

need a

> local team of dedicated individuals to host it. We might do

better

> trying to host events within smaller regions. However, if you

look

> at the size of some of the provinciae in North America, they are
> already regional - some more than others - and there has not been
> much success in the past eight years of holding gatherings even on

a

> provincial level.
>
> With regard to Nova Roma's laws, any thought of codifying,
> condensing, revamping the many laws into something coherent and
> easily usable, would again take a team of dedicated and

knowledgeable

> individuals to do the major portion of the work. I suggested such

an

> approach and helped to guide the effort when SVR rewrote its

Regulae

> in an effort that would be comparable to Nova Roma totally

rewriting

> its Constitution. It would prove a greater effort in Nova Roma, I
> think, because there are so many additional laws here, and more
> diverse perspectives in Nova Roma on what the law should provide.
>
> The sobering factor is that we have less than 300 active members

who

> are scattered throughout the world. They are active on very
> different levels. Among these are those who are active in the

sense

> that they have paid taxes - the assidui. In addition are some

capite

> censi who, although they do not pay taxes, do participate in list
> discussions, in our sodalitates, vote, and would attend local
> gatherings assuming that one was held nearby. These "active"

capite

> censi are really few in numeber compared to all we count as cives

of

> Nova Roma. And we might include others as well, those who

subscribe

> to our lists or who use our website frequently, so that the total
> number of individuals worldwide that Nova Roma reaches is maybe
> 1,500. However, when you really get down to it and look at who is
> involved in the various teams that Nova Roma has working, we see

the

> same individuals. A bare handful of fifty people really, at times
> more perhaps, but never approaching a hundred, and all of them
> scattered throughout the world. Their efforts are divided into
> different projects, in different areas of responsibilities as they
> hold various offices, as well as have their attention brought into
> list activities, so that not a great deal is being accomplished

from

> year to year.
>
> Discussion on holding events is due to the desire and need of

people

> to have personal contact in ways that can only be provided by

meeting

> face to face. Holding a regional conventus offers some temporary
> satisfaction, but we need a more personal approach on the lowest
> levels to build up Nova Roma. It will have to be done on an

oppidium

> by oppdium basis initially. If we shifted our focus over to
> supporting individuals to form oppidi, keeping them active,

joining

> one opidium with another on occasion, then the growth and

stability

> of Nova Roma would follow. We would increase our tax base. We

would

> increase the number of teams available to work on a variety of
> projects. We would have oppidi interacting with other groups or

with

> individual members of other groups. We would have real world

events

> hosted locally by an oppidium that could be used to recruit new
> members. And an important factor in all of this would be the

social

> bonds created in an oppidium, growing into a municipium, and then
> linking with others to form its respective provinca. That would

give

> Nova Roma a solid basis on which to grow. All of the other ideas

I

> have seen discussed can develop out of it, but until Nova Roma has

a

> solid bsis and a means to further actual growth it is only to

remain

> as it is, an online community that is little more than a

discussion

> group.
>
> Valete optime
> M Moravius Piscinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > "...the effort put into endless cycles of making and revising
> laws has
> > > far eclipsed that put into any other activity."
> > >
> > > With all due respect, you seem to have forgotten:
> > >
> > > the podcast
> > > the ludi
> > > the new coin
> >
> > I respect those efforts and would like to see more like them -

but

> > believe that more time has been expended on pointless lawmaking
> > and the voting, web work, and debate that are brought about as
> > its result.
> >
> > Vale, Octavius.
> >
> > --
> > hucke@
> > http://www.graveyards.com
> >
> > "What is the difference? What indeed is the point? ...The
> > clarity is devastating. But where is the ambiguity? It's
> > over there, in a box." -- J. Cleese
> >
>

SALVE CATO !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

> You bring up an interesting point. Magistrates are elected

precisely because the citizens feel that they hold the necessary
qualifications, both tangible and intangible, to fulfill their
expectations - there is the assumption that the People are confident
that the individuals elected to fill magistracies can do so, and the
People grant them (the magistrates) various powers and authority to
do so. Now imagine that these elected magistrates proceed to issue
edicta in compliance with the lex Constitutiva, to "advance the
mission and function" of Nova Roma. >>>

I totally agree with you. I have doubts only about the way.

> This already happens, and the Senate has nothing to do with it.

You and I, as curule aediles, have issued a series of edicta
concerning the running of the Macellum, the celebrations of the
ludi, &c.,>>>

Agree, but all these edicts were over our potestas area. They were
applied in our area of interest and responsability.

> exactly as we should have in order to fulfill our obligations and
> duties under the law. It was entirely unnecessary to consult the
> Senate before issuing these edicts simply because the People, not

the Senate, is the source of the authority by which we are enabled to
issue such edicts.>>>

I don't talk about the Senate consultation. I talk about, and I
repeat, the way. Sure you have the right to issue an edict and in
the same time anothers to intercessio.
I want to say that is better to put that as a proposal and to not
jump first with an edict. I understand very well that someone have
the right to issue edicts, but I understand very well that another
way exist.
The Aedilician Fund was approved by the Senate. An edict can change
that ?

> You are entirely correct in one way - it would certainly be

possible for me to create the Gaius Equitius Cato Fund For Helping
Citizens Do Things, and it could function privately. But the goal
of the proposed Fund is much more important than any single
individual; I think it entirely within the scope of praetorial
authority to issue such an edict which, like many others, could be
continued by those who followed in the praetorship, year after
year.>>>

How I said, I see different only the way. In rest I agree.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

Cato Iulio Sabino sal.

Salve Sabine!

Ah, yes, I understand. I was simply responding to Apollonius Cordus'
concern that a praetor could not make this happen. You are right that
optimally, the Senate would be consulted, &c., but if that does not
happen - and since the proposal for the Aedilician Fund has been
sitting around for several months without any action having been
taken yet, this is in fact what is happening - then a praetor could
simply issue an edict regarding it, and I think defensibly so under
the wording of the lex Constitutiva.

Vale bene,

Cato

SALVE CATO !

Now, I understand you, too. I agree.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

>
> Cato Iulio Sabino sal.
>
> Salve Sabine!
>
> Ah, yes, I understand. I was simply responding to Apollonius

Cordus'

> concern that a praetor could not make this happen. You are right

that

> optimally, the Senate would be consulted, &c., but if that does not
> happen - and since the proposal for the Aedilician Fund has been
> sitting around for several months without any action having been
> taken yet, this is in fact what is happening - then a praetor could
> simply issue an edict regarding it, and I think defensibly so under
> the wording of the lex Constitutiva.
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Cato
>

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis
S.P.D.

Forwarded from the Latin Sodalitas, of which I am the elected co-chair
(along with Cordus).

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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:53:54 -0000

Subject: [Latinitas] DE LINGUA LATINA IN NR: Learn to speak LATIN, join my
Latin courses!





DE LINGUA LATINA IN NR: Learn to speak LATIN, the language of our
forefathers!

A. Gratius Avitus
concivibus optimis suís
S·P·D

We all know that the aim of Nova Roma (cf.
<http://www.novaroma.org/main.html> at the bottom of the page) is to bring
about a
general revival of all aspects of Roman civilisation, from politics to
religion, from
philosophy to cookery or literature or the arts, a core aspect of that Roman
culture being
the Virtues that gave a small city on the banks of the Tiber the moral and
practical
strength to govern much of the world, virtues that are most sorely lacking
in our society
today.

It can escape no-one, though, that there is only one language in which those
virtues and
that culture and civilisation ever found their most authentic and universal
expression. The
language Rome spoke was LATIN. The Latin language is the most apt and only
authentic
vehicle to fully express the Roman culture, to gain access to her
literature, her ideas and
philosophies, to immerse oneself in her ethics and virtues, and to not only
understand but
also intimately adopt and perfectly embody her complete world-view and way
of life; it is
also the only language in which the Roman religious rites can be duly
performed.

Nova Roma shows the essential importance of this language in all its
terminology: the
different positions of government, the official names of the laws and
decrees, the names
of the virtues are all expressed in Latin.

It is essential to promote the Lingua Latina and its revival in all
circumstances of life
among our fellow citizens (cf.
<http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lingua_Latina>).

Most people think that Latin is a dead language, as dead as the Roman
virtues or the
culture it conveyed; but we, Nova Romans, know it doesn't have to be like
that, not for the
virtues, not for the culture, not for the language. Latin was the living
language of our
Roman forefathers, and it is a language like all others, that can be learnt
in a leisurely way
and spoken in all situations of everyday life. In fact, there is already a
large community of
Latin speakers out there that prove that this is the case. One can find lots
of information
about that in sites like
<http://www.latinitatis.com/>.

We shouldn't be left behind. We are the rightful depositaries of the Roman
culture and
civilisation, and we should be able and most willing to use the language of
our ancestors
as part of our all-encompassing Roman revival.

I know there are many people among us that have learnt some amount of Latin
before, but
have forgotten so much that are now unable to deal with the language of our
ancestors by
themselves; others will still remember enough to read it, but feel
nontheless unprepared
to use the language in an active manner. There may be people who are even
now learning
Latin somewhere else, or others who may never have studied Latin before.
Anyone, I
repeat, anyone, from those with absolutely no previous knowledge of the
language to
those who have learnt Latin in the past, or even those who are still
learning it elsewhere,
but don't yet feel confident enough with it to use it actively, will be able
to benefit
tremendously from my "Sermo Latinus" courses at the Academia Thules
<http://www.academiathules.org/>. Anyone, therefore, who wants to learn
Latin in order
to be able not only to read its texts with understanding but also to write
it with ease and
fluently to speak it in all situations so that the eternal idiom of our
forefathers is brought
back to active life and everyday usage, is invited and eagerly encouraged to
join those
courses.

I, the Dean of the Faculty of Letters of the Academia Thules, a Latin
philologist fluent in
the language and with a long teaching experience, am offering to take you to
the level of
Latin at which you can start your independent exploration of the sources,
and actually
bring back to active life and everyday usage our eternal Latin language. On
completion,
you will be able to enjoy the less convoluted Latin texts without being
enslaved to the
dictionary, and will also be capable of Latin conversation at an
intermediate level.

My courses are going to start in a week, on 16th October 2759 [2006], and I
strongly
encourage as many Nova Roma citizens as possible to join in. If you want to
do so, you will
have to order the material today!

You will be able to find much more detailed information about the courses,
as well about
all others offered by the Facultas Litterarum, at
<http://www.academiathules.org/studyguide/facultaslitterarum/>, and you are
invited to
enrol as soon as possible at
<http://www.academiathules.org/admissions/>.

Curate ut valeatis omnes!




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