Salvete omnes,

I just ordered this book from Amazon which should be interestin. I
have Caesar's Legion (X) by this author as well:

Review
"Stephen Dando-Collins tracks the history of the 14th
Legion...drawing on 30 years of research for the second of his
definitive histories of ancient Roman armies. A fitting chronicle."
(Military History)

Quote on book:

Book Description
The glorious saga of the most celebrated legion of the early Roman
Empire
In Nero's Killing Machine, the second in the author's definitive
histories of the legions of ancient Rome, Stephen Dando-Collins
brings the 14th Legion to vivid life. Drawing upon thirty-two years
of research, he traces the legion's steps as they were wiped out
while in the army of Julius Caesar, then reformed only to be savaged
again. For decades the men of the 14th would struggle to regain
their lost status, slowly climbing back to glory and eventually
making a legendary stand against Britain's Queen Boudicca, vastly
outnumbered but determined to go down fighting with honor.
Uncovering new information about the legionnaires' lives and Roman
military practices, Nero's Killing Machine is military history at
its finest.

I hope it prooves to be good!

QSP

"I think we should create various banners in .pdf or whatever, add them to this mailing list, then people can download as many as they want and post them all over. There should be some quota of like one a day, money doesn't help with members, you need an effective marketing campaign."

That is a great idea. You can create a PDF for print for all types of occassions from posters to banners, invites to letter head...have a media package. People can print�themselves or, within reason, I can print high quality�photo realistic color laser on almost any paper stock.�:)

Tiberius, Feel free to e-mail me at drumaxAT...�there is always a way.

Vale

Appius Claudius Drusus

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:55:33 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote

> Salve Drumax of the tribe
>
> I have three posters already designed and ready for printing.
>
> When can I pick them up? Why are they not done already?
>
> No seriously Drumax, I do have three posters designed that I think are a good start
> for a PR campaign. lets talk off list.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick D. Owen<mailto:Patrick.Owen@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:29 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Publicity needs action rather than money
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Drumax of the Tribe. Salve.
>
> I do not know if the leadership of Nova Roma, present or future, is
> interested in taking you up on your offer but the Propraetor of
> America Austrorientalis is very willing to do so; namely, me. I
> would like to discuss this with you at length but we should probably
> wait until after the election. Then we can involve the new Consuls &
> a couple of other elected magistrates briefly while they talk your
> offer to death. Then we can proceed without them . . . providing
> that the new elected magistrates are more than just talk. I hold
> some hope for my cousin, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, but we will have
> to see. Thank you, thank you for your very kind offer. We will stay
> in touch.
>
> Vale.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>, "drumax" <drumax@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am a designer, I also have access to color laser copiers and
> plotters. I could help with designing and printing of
> literature...its what I do everyday.
> >
> > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:15:47 EDT, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE wrote
> > > Salve, cousin.
> > >
> > > With all due respect, you cannot solve the problem of publicity
> for Nova
> > > Roma with money. It will require that Nova Romans get out into
> the pagan,
> > > academic, reenactment, and certain ethnic communities (Italian)
> to spread the
> > > message in person. We could use citizens skilled in graphic
> design to produce a
> > > generic brochure that can have a local contact label affixed to
> hand out at
> > > events. Also, as others have posted, you cannot expect others to
> give more
> > > money to Nova Roma when all they are getting are intangibles now.
> I will grant
> > > that learning and knowledge is important but I believe they want
> some
> > > recognition.
> > > Membership cards is one way to provide recognition but another
> was is to
> > > give hard working citizens the public thanks of the Senate or a
> simple award
> > > like a corona civis. Also, the Consuls, Senators, and other
> central magistrates
> > > need to get off their computers and start leading by example,
> i.e. going to
> > > events.
> > >
> > > Be well.
> > >
> > > Galeri Aureliane
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Salvete Quirites


I announce myself as candidate for the office of Diribitor.


Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior
Tribunus Plebis

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem III Idus Octobris; haec dies nefastus publicus est.

"After arranging the watches, he ordered the tessera to be given to
the rest of the troops; when the bugle sounded for the second watch
they were to muster round him in silence. When they had assembled in
accordance with instructions, he said: 'This silence, soldiers, must
be maintained, and all applause as you listen to me checked. When I
have laid my proposals fully before you, those of you who approve will
cross over silently to the right. The opinion of the majority will be
adopted. Now listen to my plans. You were not carried here in flight,
nor have you been abandoned through cowardice, and the enemy are
investing you. You seized this position by your courage, by your
courage you must get away from it. By coming here you have saved a
splendid army for Rome, now you must save yourselves by cutting your
way out. Though few in number you have brought aid to many, and it is
only fitting to your deserts that you yourselves should need the aid
of none. We have to do with an enemy who through his slackness
yesterday failed to use the chance which Fortune gave him of wiping
out an entire army; who did not perceive this most useful peak hanging
over his head until it had been seized by us. With all their thousands
of men they did not prevent us, few as we are, from climbing it, and
now that we are holding it, did they, though plenty of daylight
remained, enclose us with lines of circumvallation? The enemy whom you
eluded while his eyes were open, and he was on the watch, you
certainly ought to evade when he is heavy with sleep. In fact, it is
absolutely necessary for you to do so, for our position is such that I
have rather to point out the necessity in which you are placed than to
suggest any plan of action. For there can be no question as to your
remaining here or departing, since Fortune has left you nothing but
your arms and the courage which knows how to use them. If we show more
fear of the sword than becomes men and Romans we shall have to die of
hunger and thirst. Our one chance of safety, then, lies in our
breaking our way through and departing. We must do that either in the
daytime or at night. But this is a point which admits of little doubt;
if we wait for daylight how can we hope that the enemy, who, as you
see, has drawn a ring of men all round us, will not completely enclose
us with entrenchments? On the other hand, if night be best for our
sortie, as it most certainly is, then this hour of the night is most
assuredly the fittest. You have mustered at the call for the second
watch, an hour when men are buried in sleep. You will pass through
them in silence, unnoticed by the sleepers, but should they become
aware of your presence you will throw them into a panic by a sudden
shout. You have followed me so far, follow me still, while I follow
Fortune who has guided us here. Those of you who think this a safe
plan step forward and pass over to the right.' " - Livy, History of
Rome 7.35


"O Bandusian spring, clearer than glass, worthy of sweet wine and
flowers too, tomorrow you'll receive the gift of a kid goat, whose
head, swollen with horns newly grown, gives promise of love and
battles; in vain: for this offspring of a playful flock will stain
your ice-cold waters with his crimson blood. The harsh season of the
blazing Dog Star is powerless to affect you. You grant welcome
coolness to oxen weary of the plow and to the wandering herd. You too
will become one of the famous springs, when I sing of the oak tree
perched upon your hollow rocks, whence your babbling waters leap
forth." - Horace, Odes 3.13

"Fontanalia a Fonte, quod is dies feriae eius; ab eo tum et in fontes
coronas iaciunt et puteos coronant." - Varro, de Lingua Latina VI

Today is the celebration of the Fontinalia. The Fontinalia is a
festival in honor of Fontus, the god of fountains, springs, and wells.
Fontus was the presumed son of Janus by the nyph Juturna. From this
God's name and the Latin word font or fons we derive the names of
fountain, the baptismal font and the fonts, or typefaces, that we use
most days. The freshwater goddesses, the Camenae, oracular
water-nymphs, were honoured today as well. Today saw sacrifices,
feasts, games, and the drinking of wine mixed with spring water.
Garlands were used to decorate wells and springs today. Sacrificing,
feasting, games, and drinking plenty of wine mixed with spring water
would have been the theme of the day. On this day garlands of flowers
were spread in decoration, especially around wells and springs.


On this day in A.D. 1307, the Knights Templar began their precipitous
collapse. The fall of the Templars may have started over the matter
of a loan. Philip IV, King of France needed cash for his wars and
asked the Templars for money, who refused. The King tried to get the
Pope to excommunicate the Templars for this but Pope Boniface VIII
refused. Philip sent his right-hand man, Guillaume de Nogaret, to
"persuade" the Pope, who later died from the wounds inflicted by de
Nogaret. The next Pope, Benedict XI, lifted the excommunication of
Philip IV but refused to absolve de Nogaret. (Rumor has it that the
Pope died of poison soon after.) The next Pope, Clement V, agreed to
Philip IV's demands about the Templars, lifted the excommunications,
and later moved the papacy to Avignon.

On October 13, 1307, what may have been all the Knights Templar in
France were simultaneously arrested by agents of Philip the Fair, to
later be tortured into admitting heresy in the Order. The dominant
view is that Philip, who seized the treasury and broke up the monastic
banking system, was jealous of the Templars' wealth and power, and
sought to control it for himself.

These events, and the Templars' original banking of assets for
suddenly mobile depositors, were two of many shifts towards a system
of military fiat to back European money, removing this power from
Church orders. Seeing the fate of the Templars, the Hospitallers of St
John of Jerusalem and of Rhodes and of Malta were also convinced to
give up banking at this time. Much of the Templar property outside of
France was transferred by the Pope to the Knights Hospitaller, and
many surviving Templars were also accepted into the Hospitallers.

Many kings and nobles supported the Knights at that time, and only
dissolved the order in their fiefs when so commanded by Pope Clement
V. Robert the Bruce, the King of Scots, had already been
excommunicated for other reasons, and was therefore not disposed to
pay heed to Papal commands. In Portugal the order's name was changed
to the Order of Christ, and was believed to have contributed to the
first naval discoveries of the Portuguese. Prince Henry the Navigator
led the Portuguese order for 20 years until the time of his death. In
Spain, where the king of Aragon was also against giving the heritage
of the Templars to Hospitallers (as commanded by Clement V), the Order
of Montesa took Templar assets. Debate continues as to whether the
accusation of religious heresy had merit by the standards of the time.
Under torture, some Templars admitted to homosexual acts, and to the
worship of heads and a mystery known as Baphomet. Their leaders later
denied these admissions, and for that were executed. Some scholars
discount these as forced admissions, typical during the Inquisition.
Others argue that these accusations were in reality due to a
misunderstanding of arcane rituals held behind closed doors which had
their origins in the Crusaders' bitter struggle against the Saracens.
These included "denying Christ and spitting on the Cross three times,
as well as kissing other men's behinds."

According to some scholars, and recently recovered Vatican documents,
these acts were intended to simulate the kind of humiliation and
torture that a Crusader might be subjected to if captured by the
Saracens. According to this line of reasoning, they were taught how to
commit apostasy with the mind only and not with the heart. As for the
accusations of head-worship and Templars trying to syncretize
Christianity with Islam, some scholars argue that the former referred
to rituals involving the alleged relics of Saint Euphemia, one of
Saint Ursula's eleven maidens, Hughes de Payens, and John the Baptist
rather than pagan idols. The latter they ascribe to the chaplains
creating the term Baphomet through the Atbash cipher to mystify the
term Sophia (Greek for "wisdom"), which was equated with the Logos
(Greek for "Word"). This is a controversial interpretation, and is
partly based on conjecture.

Conspiracy theories related to the suppression of the Knights Templar
often go far beyond the suggested motive of seizing property and
consolidating geopolitical power. It is the Roman Catholic Church's
position that the persecution was unjust, that there was nothing wrong
with the Templars, and that the Pope at the time was manipulated into
suppressing them. In 2001, Dr. Barbara Frale found the Chinon
Parchment in the Vatican Secret Archives, a document that shows that
Pope Clement V secretly pardoned the Knights Templar in 1314.

As he burned at the stake, Jacques de Molay, Grand Master of the
Knights Templar, cursed King Philip and Pope Clement V to meet eternal
justice within the year. Pope Clement V died only one month later and
Philip IV seven months after that. Commentators were extremely pleased
with such a development and often featured this story in their
chronicles.



Valete bene!

Cato


SOURCES

Livy, Varro, Horace, Wikipedia

Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit.

It has been quite a long time since I have last posted to this list,
and that only because, in the past few weeks, I have preferred to do
most of my work behind the scenes. However, I hope that as much is
soon to change.

I would like to take this moment to announce that I will be standing
for the position of Quaestor. There is not much of a position which
can be given for it, and I don't intend to try to fabricate one.
What I will say is this: I intend to do nothing more, nor anything
less, than to serve you, the People, as best I possibly can, and to
serve the magistrate to whom I am assigned just the same.

I won't be asking for any particular endorsements. Those of you who
feel that I am worthy of your endorsements are certainly free to
give them, and I am certainly thankful for them. I won't be asking
for votes in particular either. Instead, I ask only that those of
you who feel that I am worthy of your vote please do cast it in my
favor, and those of you who feel that I am not are certainly
welcomed to vote otherwise. I firmly believe in the will of the
People as rule, and do not intend to go about campaigning as though
my life depends on this office.

People of Rome, I ask only for the opportunity to serve. If you
think I am worthy of as much, please vote in my favor. And if you
think otherwise, vote the way you feel.

Valete Optime in Pace Deorum,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus

Salve,
Lets face it Romans, publicity and profits are tied into the same
thing. The more publicity we have the more profits we will reap.
What we need to do is encourage people to donate by giving something
in return. Just because we show the values of ancient Rome does not
mean the rest of the world does. Heres a question, how many people
have gone Xmas shopping and seen the Salvation Army worker ringing his
bell outside a store, and you just walk on by? I'm guilty. What we
need to do is come up with levels of sponsorship awards. For example,
if you donate $5 you get a NR certificate and a coin, for $10 you get
a certificate, coin, and a sticker. Come up with something to reward
people for there generosity. I know that seems desperate, but in a
materialistic world, its how business gets done. How many people
world not donate to charities if it was'nt a tax rightoff? Second, we
show actively use our 501c status to solicite donations from the
public and private sector. We could do mailings with a copy of the
501c, that way people could see we are legit and reach out to more
people.Like I said, publicity and profits are one in the same. Lets
strike while the iron is hot and you will see NR's membership go up as
well as the profits.

MArcus Sejanus

C. Aurelia Falco Silvana T. Galeri Pauline Quiritibusque
salutem plurimam dicit.

Thank you for taking the time to develop and communicate,
your ideas--and for being open to feedback.

I'm including my comments below, with the hope that some
of them may be useful. If I have been more direct than
you feel is appropriate, I apologize. These remarks are
intended to be constructive, not corrosive.

Vale, valete bene in pace Deorum.

C. Aurelia Falco Silvana

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
wrote:

>
> <snip>
> I would like to ask/impose (whichever gets us the most money)
> a > surcharge of $5.00 US dollars on every current and future
> citizen > for the establishment of a public relations fund.
>

CAFS: I agree completely with Q.Suetonius that such a fee
could hurt our membership rolls more than it would help. If
I had been required (demanded) to pay $5.00 US just to apply
to a group I hadn't yet seen the inside of, I never would have
applied.

The point is well taken that any such fee would have to be
adjusted for each and every country, exactly as is the modest
amount of annual tax we request (and have such a hard time
collecting). However, this is relevant only if an application
fee is charged. I trust that reason will prevail, and
prospective members will still be able to apply for free.

Remember the fuss when the citiizenship test came into force?
That barrier could be crossed at no cost to the applicant.
Judging by the posts of newly-approved citizens, passing the
test is regarded as an achievement (it is!). The test has
had a positive impact on the quality of our citizenship.
However, as the most recent (and thorough) census has shown,
our numbers are precious. I don't see that another financial
barrier will help.

And as a final note on this topic: for those who cannot use
Paypal or an internatinal credit card, bank transfer fees
tend to be flat rates, no matter how much money you send.
That little $5.00 transaction could, literally (eg.
Canada-France) cost some $35 US in bank transfer fees.
I've been in a situation where I had to bite the bullet
and give the banking system its pound of flesh. Painful.

> I have already created three different posters that we
> could print and then sent to citizens around the world for
> placement at Pagan festivals, schools, colleges, reenacting
> events,(anywhere we can)as well as run them as ads in
> newspapers and magazines. We should also look into scholarly
> journals and see if any of them except advertising.
>

CAFS: Having worked in media, I can only say that any PR
materials must be (dare I say it) worked on by a committee.
This is mainly to ensure that any such material is thoroughly
de-bugged of all unintentional idiosyncratic malaprops. As
an example, the GO ROMAN website banner was changed from
black and white on a red ground after European members
commented that such a colour scheme could have unpleasant
connotations of the Third Reich. Really big companies must
exercise the same care. Two classic examples are the
Chevrolet Nova--a car which became a bad joke in Spanish-
speaking countries where "no va" means "it doen't go."
And Rolls Royce narrowly avoided putting a model onto the
German market under the name "Silver Mist" ("Mist" in German
being something that comes out of the back end of a horse).
So committees may be painful, and no one person will get the
credit for the finished product, but as GO ROMAN has
demonstrated, committee review is essential.

As others have said, a downloadable set of materials is the
most practical. Files can be shipped around the world at no
cost, printed when needed in the exact quantities needed
with no worries about overstock, and revised in a timely
fashion without concern about wasting outdated hardcopy.

> (Translations of these or other designs will be created)
>
> Currently we have 964 citizens or pending citizens that
> would yield a sum of $4820.00USD,

CAFS: If the materials are dounloadable, where is the need to
spent over $4000 (US) on printing?

> . . . if every one contributed.

CAFS: Could we perhaps first concentrate on collecting the
current taxes before imposing more?

My town has a similar problem. When our industrial tax
base began to shrink, City Hall in its wisdom increased
the industrial tax rate, leaving us with the highest municipal
industrial tax rates in our province. As our population
shrank, the residential tax rate was increased. Now, one of
our key remaining industries is threatening to close down
and leave town unless it gets major tax concessions. City
Hall's solution is to give them a (small) break, and to squeeze
the difference out of the homeowners. At no point has
City Hall apparently considered operating within its available
budget. Which is what NR needs to do.

> While this is not a large amount it would be a dedicated
> fund used solely for advertising. I know that our Pater
> Patriae Marcus Cassius Iulianus owns a printing/copy company
> and should be able to provide us with sound information on
> what we can get for this amount of money.
>
> The posters could be placed online and provincial Governors
> could download them for printing locally, eliminating the need to
> spend money on postage.
>

CAFS: I read these two paragraphs as "A" or "B" options.
See above. If downloadable, there is no need to print
thousands of (US) dollars worth of (postage needed and
import-regulated)hardcopy.

<snip>

>
> As part of our PR plan each April 21st ( or close to it)
> the provinces of Nova Roma will donate five books on Rome to
> a local library. Our library labels are already designed
> and can be downloaded now for use. When we do this we make
> sure that local media are informed and we get as much coverage
> in the papers as possible.

CAFS: This is a great idea in principal--but if the library
labels can be downloaded now, why not just encourage citizens
to donate books to their local libraries, and use the labels?
Use the Main List to publicize the url for the labels, and again,
there is no added cost to NR. Ask the citizens to let us all
know via the ML what they have donated, and to whom. We can
all benefit from the idea-sharing.

Local libraries often can advise on what subjects (or even
specific titles) would be most valuable to their particular
collections, but this needs to be checked by an individual
member at the local level, not top-down.

Before we begin a high=profile media campaign ("as much
coverage as possible") perhaps we should get our own squabbling
house in better order. The ML has been considerably more
respectful than last year (a salute to the praetores!), but
still has some distance to go. Also consider the quandary of
a citizen who, having obtained a major local media interview,
is asked, "So how many are there in your group locally?" If
the answer is "One" as will often be the case now, perhaps we
should, once again, concentrate on growing from the ground up
rather than from the top down. Prudentia?

It takes patience to do the lower-profile work of promoting
interest in the classical world as a whole, then to find and
gather some of those people to a Roman focus. The task may be
less splashy, but is likely to produce a tree with roots that
might stand up in a breeze of publicity later on.

An overblown publicity campaign can impact on the citizen's
personal, local credibility. This is something the citizen
will have to live with daily. It may take a long time to
wear off. Prudentia?

>
> An additional idea is to charge a nominal fee to process the
> application for citizenship.
>
> The fee would be large enough to make it worth the donation
> but not to large to discourage serious applications. Very
> few membership groups and no governments I know of give away,
> for free, these types of services. In the USA it costs almost
> $100.00 for a passport and $255.00 to apply for citizenship .
> The amounts we are discussing are minuscule in comparison.
>

CAFS: See above.
A) I never would have applied if an application fee had been
in place. B) NR is hard pressed to collect the very modest
annual tax of $10 US it requests from citizens. Let's
resolve this issue before adding more taxes and fees.

> We can also issue citizenship scrolls ( like the ones used as
> wedding invitations.) This would serve as both a commemoration of
> citizenship and the fees charged would enrich the treasury.

CAFS: Another great idea: I've always wondered why there
are no citizenship cards for tax-paying cives. Idealistically,
paying taxes gives us participatory rights--the right to
contribute. But such a card would be about the only material
benefit of paying taxes. There are some good graphic designs
already on file that would make for a very attractive card.
The SCA sends out its cards by printing the receipt/letter
of acknowledgement on medium cardstock, with the membership
card on one corner to be cut out by the recipient. This is
a one-sheet computer print, with no need to print or stock
separate cards. Our provincial SPCA does the same.

Q. Suetonius puts forward an excellent idea: incentive gifts
to recognize donors, based on the amount donated. Perhaps
we could set up a cyber-wall of donor plaques as a more
public form of recognition. For example, our provincial
sports events recognize Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze
donor levels.

>
> I would also like to undertake as a stand alone project
> a survey of citizen occupations and avocations . Each of
> us knows what a few of us do for a living but we do not
> know what the vast majority of our citizens do....
>

<snip>

>
> ....The possibilities are endless because we do not know.
> The information would of course have to be provided willing
> by our citizens. A section could be added to the census to
> keep track of this information. The information like all
> others of its kind would be available for use by magistrates
> in line with their duties.

CAFS: If any of this information should find its way onto
the member profiles, I would be concerned about aiding
identity theft. NR already has the leakiest mailing list
of any organization I know. My dedicated NR edress gets
Paypal spoofs, CocaCola spoofs, and phishing attacks from
virtually every country on the planet. (I do not have this
problem with any of my other edresses.) I am not interested
in helping these people learn more about me.

> I know that in the USA it is possible to use the free access
> channels of the local cable companies for promoting local
> groups. It might even be possible to have a local TV show.
> How much access can we get, for free, in the other counties
> in which we have citizens? Can we get air time on Italian
> or French TV? What are the possibilities in eastern Europe,
> Australia or in South America?

CAFS: Once again, these are details that will vary from
country to country, and even from city to city, irrelevant
outside their own boundaries. The research is best left at
the local level--from the grass roots up, rather than top-down.
As I understand NR's organization (I may be wrong) authority
for matters falling within the area of a province is delegated
to the provincial governors. If the governor has regional
legates, then logically the governor would further delegate.

For example, our local free newspapers (we have two!) each
has different formats and ways to submit announcements. These
are similar to, but not the same as, a city 50 km away. Such
details are irrelevant at the consular level of NR, but
highly relevant at my level (legate) and of perhaps passing
interest to my governor (who is more concerned about the effect
of my understanding these details). As legate, I am the one
(appropriately) dealing with the minutiae.

>
> And lastly How about a cookbook from our own Sodalitas
> Coquorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum they write it, we publish
> it and sell it, and the treasury gets bigger.

CAFS: Another great idea. Some practicalities to work out,
but many groups have used this concept. However, we only have
some 900 citiizens, so one of the first questions would have
to be the cost of a 1000-copy press run. Overstock hurts.
Our local (paid) newspaper just ended up giving away several
cases of a press run of cookbooks they had worked at selling
for more than 2 years.

What about a CD version? Postage would be waaay lower too.

>
> So what do you think?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Candidate for Consul
> Mea gloria fideles
>

CAFS: Thank you for offering your time and hard work to
NR in the capacity of Consul. You have demonstrated
consistently over the past years that you hold the best
interests of the Res Publica very close to heart.

My comments above do not always agree with your concepts,
but they are offered in the same spirit of wanting what will
benefit NR. I have drawn some parallels from the "real"
world, because NR is not isolated in cyberspace. It is, and
must be, part of the world around us all.

Vale bene in pace Deorum

C. Aurelia Falco Silvana

Salve
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@... > wrote:

> Currently we have 964 citizens or pending citizens that would

yield

> a sum of $4820.00USD, if every one contributed. While this is

not

> a large amount it would be a dedicated fund used solely for
> advertising. I know that our Pater Patriae Marcus Cassius Iulianus
> owns a printing/copy company and should be able to provide us with
> sound information on what we can get for this amount of money.

I was wondering, where the amount mentioned (4820.00US$) comes from, Taxes??
Vale
Q.Fabius Sanga


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Salve Quintus Fabius Sanga

No not taxes.

I was suggesting a new 5.00 fee from everybody and used just for PR.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Quintus Fabius Sanga
<quintusfabiussanga@...> wrote:

>
> Salve
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
> <spqr753@ > wrote:
>
> > Currently we have 964 citizens or pending citizens that would
> yield
> > a sum of $4820.00USD, if every one contributed. While this is
> not
> > a large amount it would be a dedicated fund used solely for
> > advertising. I know that our Pater Patriae Marcus Cassius

Iulianus

> > owns a printing/copy company and should be able to provide us

with

> > sound information on what we can get for this amount of money.
>
> I was wondering, where the amount mentioned (4820.00US$) comes

from, Taxes??

> Vale
> Q.Fabius Sanga
>
>
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>

I saw the coins on line and jumped all over them when and where do you guys meet, hang out, kill Gauls whatever?

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote: Salve Marce Mari,

M. Marius Scipio <leotarious@...> writes:

> Hello my brothers and sisters. My name is Marcus Marius
> Scipio. I am a Member of the S.C.A. and have recently found out about
> you. I was so excited to learn about what it is you are and do.

Welcome! I hope you will continue to participate here, and perhaps even join
Nova Roma.

> See I belong to the Kingdom Of Atenvedlt,

A place where I have friends. I get out your way infrequently, though I live
in what is to you the Kingdom of Atlantia.

> and my Kingdom considers Rome to be pre-period.

That's curious. I know that at least some parts of the Society allow personae
going back to the dawn of time. But I also recognize that there is
variability between the kingdoms.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS





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Salve Marce Mari,

M. Marius Scipio <leotarious@...> writes:

> I saw the coins on line and jumped all over them when and where do you guys
> meet, hang out, kill Gauls whatever?

Our big annual event here in Maryland is Roman Days, held the first weekend in
June every year. There's a smaller event in September at the same location.

Out in your neck of the woods I'm not sure what's going on as far as Nova Roma
activities go. Maybe some of the people from that province will speak up.
Which part of Atenvelt are you in? Arizona? Utah?

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Greetings!
I am in Arizona or "America autoccindentilis?" Im new I think thats what you call it. Where are you from?
Marcus

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salve Marce Mari,

M. Marius Scipio <leotarious@...> writes:

> I saw the coins on line and jumped all over them when and where do you guys
> meet, hang out, kill Gauls whatever?

Our big annual event here in Maryland is Roman Days, held the first weekend in
June every year. There's a smaller event in September at the same location.

Out in your neck of the woods I'm not sure what's going on as far as Nova Roma
activities go. Maybe some of the people from that province will speak up.
Which part of Atenvelt are you in? Arizona? Utah?

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS





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Salve Great Lords:
I am new to your great empire and am still under what you would call on a trial basis. I am curious about a few things.
1: Are your consular Elections every six months. Like in the days of the great Republic herself?
2.How large is this present day Empire
I guess thats all for now I am buring with questions about how this organization works. I have study Rome Fervently for over the last two years non stop.I have read Livy Josephus to name just a few. I have a monthly magazine called Roman Times. I have about eight soldiers under me and am groing weekly. Right now we are the only Romans in the entire Kingdom Of Atenveldt (Which is an S.C.A. Organization)
We are Known as Roman Thunder. We are also the hardest hitting group there is right now. We use Roman doors Rattan Pilums and gladious's and all of us (Including the barbarian auxilieries) use Roman Armor.
Your new friend and servant to the empire
Marcus Marius Leonidus Britainicus(S.C.A.)
Marcus Marius(Nova Roma)

"Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@...> wrote:
Salve Quintus Fabius Sanga

No not taxes.

I was suggesting a new 5.00 fee from everybody and used just for PR.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Quintus Fabius Sanga
<quintusfabiussanga@...> wrote:

>
> Salve
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
> <spqr753@ > wrote:
>
> > Currently we have 964 citizens or pending citizens that would
> yield
> > a sum of $4820.00USD, if every one contributed. While this is
> not
> > a large amount it would be a dedicated fund used solely for
> > advertising. I know that our Pater Patriae Marcus Cassius

Iulianus

> > owns a printing/copy company and should be able to provide us

with

> > sound information on what we can get for this amount of money.
>
> I was wondering, where the amount mentioned (4820.00US$) comes

from, Taxes??

> Vale
> Q.Fabius Sanga
>
>
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things done faster.

>
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Salve Marce Mari,

Marcus Marius <leotarious@...> writes:

> 1: Are your consular Elections every six months. Like in the days of the
> great Republic herself?

Our consular elections are annual, as they were during the time of the
Republic in antiquity. Unlike antiquity we don't hold consular elections
right after the Ludi Romani. Instead we wait until near the end of the year
and hold the elections then.

> 2.How large is this present day Empire

You misspelled "Republic."

Nova Roma has about 230 tax-paying assidui citizens, and another 600 or so
non-tax-paying capite censi (headcount) citizens. In addition to those we
have over 1000 once-active citizens who've been dropped from the census rolls
for failing to respond to the census last year. About once a month someone
will contact the censors to reinstate their citizenship. We also have over
200 provisional citizens who have not yet attained full citizenship.

Our membership includes people on all continents, with the majority in North
America and Europe.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Thank you Gnaeus Equitius

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote: Salve Marce Mari,

Marcus Marius <leotarious@...> writes:

> 1: Are your consular Elections every six months. Like in the days of the
> great Republic herself?

Our consular elections are annual, as they were during the time of the
Republic in antiquity. Unlike antiquity we don't hold consular elections
right after the Ludi Romani. Instead we wait until near the end of the year
and hold the elections then.

> 2.How large is this present day Empire

You misspelled "Republic."

Nova Roma has about 230 tax-paying assidui citizens, and another 600 or so
non-tax-paying capite censi (headcount) citizens. In addition to those we
have over 1000 once-active citizens who've been dropped from the census rolls
for failing to respond to the census last year. About once a month someone
will contact the censors to reinstate their citizenship. We also have over
200 provisional citizens who have not yet attained full citizenship.

Our membership includes people on all continents, with the majority in North
America and Europe.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS





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Salve Marce Mari,

M. Marius Scipio <leotarious@...> writes:

> Greetings!
> I am in Arizona or "America autoccindentilis?" Im new I think thats what
> you call it. Where are you from?

I currently live in Maryland, in the Nova Roman province of Mediatlantica.
You're correct that you live in America Austroccidentalis. You can find the
provincial website for your province at http://amaust.romanrepublic.org/

Also, you should look at
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provincia?provid=A-AW

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Salve
Until a month ago, i used to use the internet every few weeks mostly to check my mail. Then i found Nova Roma, and since then i can say i use it every day, even my main page is our home page. As i am trying to find out almost everything about it, i have a print out of every page on the site till the roman virtues title, i hope to print the rest soon as it is much easier to read a piece of paper than a screen. What i'm trying to suggest is that considering Nova Roma will be 10 years old soon, maybe we can have something like a college yearbook, with most of the information we have on the website. I willl be very interested to get something like that. prhaps it can even generate a bit of profit.
Vale,
Q.Fabius Sanga


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SALVETE !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Caecilius Metellus"
<sapientissimi@...> wrote:

> It has been quite a long time since I have last posted to this

list, and that only because, in the past few weeks, I have preferred
to do most of my work behind the scenes. However, I hope that as
much is soon to change.
I would like to take this moment to announce that I will be standing

> for the position of Quaestor. There is not much of a position

which can be given for it, and I don't intend to try to fabricate
one.

> What I will say is this: I intend to do nothing more, nor

anything less, than to serve you, the People, as best I possibly
can, and to serve the magistrate to whom I am assigned just the same.

> I won't be asking for any particular endorsements. Those of you

who feel that I am worthy of your endorsements are certainly free to

> give them, and I am certainly thankful for them. I won't be

asking for votes in particular either. Instead, I ask only that
those of you who feel that I am worthy of your vote please do cast
it in my favor, and those of you who feel that I am not are
certainly welcomed to vote otherwise. I firmly believe in the will
of the People as rule, and do not intend to go about campaigning as
though my life depends on this office.

> People of Rome, I ask only for the opportunity to serve. If you
> think I am worthy of as much, please vote in my favor. And if you
> think otherwise, vote the way you feel.>>>

And I don't want to add more to the Caecilius Mettelus post, because
all of you know him very well.
But I'm happy to see how our best citizens are able to dedicate from
their time and energy to the Republic.
You have all my support, Optime Metelle !

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

SALVE ET SALVETE !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, bryan baugh <leotarious@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Gnaeus Equitius
>
> > 2.How large is this present day Empire
>
> You misspelled "Republic."
> Our membership includes people on all continents, with the majority
in North America and Europe.>>>

Only to illustrate the Hon.Censor Equitius Marinus words :
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provinciae
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Annals_%28Nova_Roma%29

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

Has anyone (and this would have to be done locally) considered "cashing in" on the openings of movies which deal with Rome (and the Ancient world)? I could see coordinating something with a local theater management ..which might not cost *us* much, if anything, and, if armed with literature and able to answer questions about Nova Roma, could take advantage of the natural enthusiasm such movies can and sometimes do, create.

True, there would be a certain number of people who come to the list, move on to something else, and leave ...but there might also be a small portion of that group who stay, and a portion of *that* group who become citizens.

Granted, some of the popular movies aren't especially historically accurate (to put it mildly), but their point is to entertain, and some who to to be entertained, will want more ...and where better to go for "entertainment" *and* education than here?

Respectfully,
C. Maria Caeca

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Salve,

My step daughter's husband is a theatre manager and may be returning
for a position in the big theatres in the West Edmonton Mall,
currently the biggest shopping centre in the world. Your idea is
great and our Mexican club put on a show there about three years ago
when the movie, El Dorado was playing. It was beneficial for him;
ie, we made him look good but at the same time it was beneficial for
the club since we got some good publicity and new members.

Your idea is very good and perhaps something similar could be done
with Rome. Personally my interest in Rome was thanks to movies like
Ben Hur, The Fall Of The Roman Empire, Quo Vadis, not to metion
numerous Italian sword and sandle movies from the early 60's. Those
movies always challenged me to pick up an encyclopedia or children's
history book to see how accurate or far off the mark that they were.
Few people will get off to an enthusiastic start on Rome by
initially picking up Gibbons or heavy university style text on the
classics but eventually one evolves to that once they get the bug..

Regards,

QSP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Shoshana Hathaway"
<shoshanahathaway@...> wrote:

>
> Has anyone (and this would have to be done locally)

considered "cashing in" on the openings of movies which deal with
Rome (and the Ancient world)? I could see coordinating something
with a local theater management ..which might not cost *us* much, if
anything, and, if armed with literature and able to answer questions
about Nova Roma, could take advantage of the natural enthusiasm such
movies can and sometimes do, create.

>
> True, there would be a certain number of people who come to the

list, move on to something else, and leave ...but there might also
be a small portion of that group who stay, and a portion of *that*
group who become citizens.

>
> Granted, some of the popular movies aren't especially historically

accurate (to put it mildly), but their point is to entertain, and
some who to to be entertained, will want more ...and where better to
go for "entertainment" *and* education than here?

>
> Respectfully,
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Again thank you for your help! I was wondering how long you have been apart of Nova Roma. When can I take the test they keep talking about and where do I look for research regarding it? I herd that it is also about religion and political structure. Is this true? My reading has been limited to Livy as well as the Numidian wars by I think it was Cato the Censer and then a bunch of stuff regarding military strategys of the Scipio's and things like that. Do you have any advise on what to read? Or study before the test?
Sincerly Marcus Marius

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salve Marce Mari,

M. Marius Scipio <leotarious@...> writes:

> Greetings!
> I am in Arizona or "America autoccindentilis?" Im new I think thats what
> you call it. Where are you from?

I currently live in Maryland, in the Nova Roman province of Mediatlantica.
You're correct that you live in America Austroccidentalis. You can find the
provincial website for your province at http://amaust.romanrepublic.org/

Also, you should look at
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provincia?provid=A-AW

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS





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Salve Marce Mari,

M. Marius Scipio <leotarious@...> writes:

> Again thank you for your help! I was wondering how long you have been
> apart of Nova Roma.

I joined Nova Roma on May 23rd, 2001 CE. You can see my Album Civium
page at http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=2356

> When can I take the test they keep talking about

You take the citizenship test near the end of your 90 day probationary
citizenship. It's done via e-mail. You'll write to the censors (I'm
one of the two) and then you'll be sent the test.

> and where do I look for research regarding it?

Our website. http://www.novaroma.org

> I herd that it is also
> about religion and political structure. Is this true?

Oh yes.

> My reading has
> been limited to Livy as well as the Numidian wars by I think it was
> Cato the Censer and then a bunch of stuff regarding military
> strategys of the Scipio's and things like that. Do you have any
> advise on what to read?

I can recommend plenty. Tell me what you're interested in. We have a
long reading list in the Sodalitas Militarium, and there's also a goodly
assortment of Roman themed fiction that you can read for pleasure if
you're so inclined. Beyond that, there's Roman philosophy and Roman
cooking and Roman history.

> Or study before the test?

For the test you can get everything you'll need to know by studying the
various sections of the website.

Vale,

Gn. Equitius Marinus

Salvete

If I may also offer the suggestion of Renaissance fairs and other historical or enthusiasts groups, gatherings, fairs and organizations, lists etc...once I get the Nova Roma coin page for my site I will be posting it to many coin sites and lists with a link to this group. you might be involved in besides Roman. I went to the Ren fair last weekend here in Houston, I could have planted some flyers and handed out coins. What about organizing a booth at an arts or cultural festival to sell roman cuisine?  (we have these in Houston).

Also, I am not of the Patrician class, I am a plebian who works hard for my merger recompense but I am always happy to spend a bit for those things I care for, while I know it takes some money to run a group like this. For my part when I participate in something like this and I care enough about it, I am willing to understand that I might be more privileged than some and have more I could give and do so, I expect only that it is used wisely and for what its intended. Before I would pay money for something I would look to the membership to see what can be done gratis. For instance it was mentioned by one person that there is a member of the group that works or owns a print shop. Would it not be  better to ask if he could provide a small amount or services for free or at cost? I have mentioned I am not only a designer but a webmaster who also has access to high quality powerful printers that could possibly be used to plot things as small as an invite on card stock to 15' banne!
rs. My boss does not mind the occasional use of our equipment for personal projects, there we have a service given by a member that does not have to be paid for. How many people here could offer something similar?

I think if people truly care for Nova Roma (in the sense of it being a modern day society or organization) then they will offer help in ways they can. I would assume most people on this list have jobs, if not they are students or unemployed thus pleading dire financial straights is understandable. If tax revenues do not cover everything we would like to do then we should see if there are other ways that we can accomplish the goal.

During much of the later Republic citizens did not even PAY taxes, the burden was left to the provincials and the natural resources that the state controlled like gold and salt mines. I would liken these natural resources to what each citizen contributes to the group in helpful services that could elevate the need to spend money. I am a member of many groups that thrive on this type of operation and spend very little money for anything they do. Example: I was a member of a group dedicated to LAN gaming some years ago, when we gathered we did so in a business that a member worked at and was given permission to use, every person brought something, food, extra wires, extra computer, etc...the price for a weekend of use of the building came to less than 5 dollars for every person and there were not that many people.

Just a few thoughts. I hope I am not overstepping my bounds as a new citizen.

Valete

Appius Claudius Drusus

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:42:36 -0000, Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) wrote

> Salve,
>
> My step daughter's husband is a theatre manager and may be returning
> for a position in the big theatres in the West Edmonton Mall,
> currently the biggest shopping centre in the world. Your idea is
> great and our Mexican club put on a show there about three years ago
> when the movie, El Dorado was playing. It was beneficial for him;
> ie, we made him look good but at the same time it was beneficial for
> the club since we got some good publicity and new members.
>
> Your idea is very good and perhaps something similar could be done
> with Rome. Personally my interest in Rome was thanks to movies like
> Ben Hur, The Fall Of The Roman Empire, Quo Vadis, not to metion
> numerous Italian sword and sandle movies from the early 60's. Those
> movies always challenged me to pick up an encyclopedia or children's
> history book to see how accurate or far off the mark that they were.
> Few people will get off to an enthusiastic start on Rome by
> initially picking up Gibbons or heavy university style text on the
> classics but eventually one evolves to that once they get the bug..
>
> Regards,
>
> QSP
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Shoshana Hathaway"
> <shoshanahathaway@...> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone (and this would have to be done locally)
> considered "cashing in" on the openings of movies which deal with
> Rome (and the Ancient world)? I could see coordinating something
> with a local theater management ..which might not cost *us* much, if
> anything, and, if armed with literature and able to answer questions
> about Nova Roma, could take advantage of the natural enthusiasm such
> movies can and sometimes do, create.
> >
> > True, there would be a certain number of people who come to the
> list, move on to something else, and leave ...but there might also
> be a small portion of that group who stay, and a portion of *that*
> group who become citizens.
> >
> > Granted, some of the popular movies aren't especially historically
> accurate (to put it mildly), but their point is to entertain, and
> some who to to be entertained, will want more ...and where better to
> go for "entertainment" *and* education than here?
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > C. Maria Caeca
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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A. Apollonius omnibus sal.

I don't wish to re-open a closed topical argument but to share a few thoughts of more general relevance.

In antiquity there were accepted conventions about the relationship between the senate, the magistrates, and the assemblies. They helped to make that three-sided relationship work smoothly. In our republic today these conventions are not widely known, and in some cases are actually contradicted by written law, and this may partly explain why that relationship doesn't always work so well nowadays.

First, it's important to remember that we are not talking about the relationship between the senate and the assemblies. There was no such relationship: the senate and the assemblies had no direct dealings with one another at all. The magistrates were the intermediaries. The senate gave advice to the magistrates, and the magistrates put proposals to the assemblies. The senate could not put proposals to the assemblies but only advise magistrates to do so.

In general it was considered proper for magistrates to take the advice of the senate before bringing legislative proposals (rogationes) before the assembly. This was not compulsory, and failure to consult the senate did not invalidate a proposal put before the assembly. It was, however, a very strong tradition, and a tribunus plebis would often veto a proposal which had not previously been discussed by the senate.

There were, however, exceptions. Certain types of proposal were understood to be within the exclusive competence of the assembly, and if a magistrate brought such a proposal to the assembly without consulting the senate, he was not considered to have behaved improperly; but equally he would not have been accused of impropriety if he had consulted the senate first. A tribune could not use failure to consult the senate as a reason to veto a proposal of this kind.

Consulting the senate on the merits of a proposal should not be confused with the patrum auctoritas. The patrum auctoritas was a technical device: it was rubber-stamping, rather like the Queen approving Acts of Parliament in the U.K. It was quite separate from any discussion by the senate of whether a proposal was actually a good idea or not.

The patrum auctoritas does, however, have some relevance to the odd situation imposed on us by the lex constitutiva. I shan't bother to re-state here my belief that the procedures set out in chapter I.D of the lex constitutiva are harmful to republic in general: that's not what I want to say in this message. The point I want to raise is simply that, whether these procedures are good or bad, we cannot ignore the fact that they are alien to the ancient republican constitution and therefore create certain difficulties which must be addressed.


These procedures are for amending the lex constitutiva itself. Chapter I.D provides that the lex constitutiva can be amended by a lex enacted by the comitia centuriata; however, such an amendment will not take effect unless ratified by the senate. The effect of this is that an amendment which is enacted by the comitia centuriata but not ratified by the senate is legally valid but ineffective. We need not worry too much about what exactly that means. The point is that the comitia centuriata votes, and then the senate votes aftewards.

This does not mean, of course, that the senate's advice cannot be sought beforehand. But this is where the patrum auctoritas becomes relevant. You see, in the middle and late republic the patrum auctoritas, the technical rubber-stamping which the senate had to do in order for a lex to be valid, was done before the proposal was voted on in the assembly. But in the very early years of the republic it had been given afterwards. Sometimes the senate had refused to give it, probably on the grounds of some technical flaw in the proposal. This had given the senate an effective power to veto legislation which had already been approved by the assembly. Quite soon this was recognized as intolerable, and a lex was passed which required the patrum auctoritas to be given beforehand. This meant that any technical flaws could be fixed before voting, and so the assembly could vote in the confident knowledge that if it approved the proposal, then that proposal would become law.

This was, one can easily see, a very sensible and practical change. The senate is a smaller body than the assembly and much easier to convene and handle. Its meetings can be conducted more efficiently than those of the assembly. It makes sense for a proposal to be checked for technical faults by the senate before being voted on by the assembly, rather than afterwards. It also makes sense to combine that technical checking with a more general discussion of the merits of the proposal, so that the magistrate can make changes based on the senate's advice.

Chapter I.D, though, reverses this change by putting the senate's part in proceedings after the vote in the assembly. But magistrates nonetheless, for the reasons I've mentioned, still regard it as sensible and useful to get the senate's advice before putting proposals to the assembly. So we have an odd situation in which the proposal is put to the senate, and then to the assembly, and then back to the senate again. Okay, it's odd, but is there anything actually wrong with it?

I think possibly there is. You see, it is all very well to say that the first vote in the senate is merely advisory and has no effect on the process itself. Technically this is true, but in practice it is not. If, in the first meeting of the senate, the proposal is approved by a vote of 20 to 5, you can make a safe bet that, if the assembly also approves it, then the second meeting of the senate will approve the proposal by a vote of about 20 to 5. Yes, technically it is only the second vote that has any legal effect, but it is of no practical importance because the first vote has told us what the result is going to be.

So, by the time the assembly comes to vote, everyone knows how the senate is going to vote. If the senate has already voted to approve the proposal, then the vote of the assembly can still make a difference. If, however, the senate has already voted against the proposal, then there is really very little point in the assembly voting at all, because it's clear that the proposal is not going to make it into law even if the assembly approves it. Perhaps the magistrate may not bother to put it to the assembly at all.

Does that really matter? Not a great deal, but it does make a bit of a mockery of the procedure as it is on paper. If the lex constutitiva has some good reason for requiring the senate to give its approval after the assembly and not before, then the practice of having a preliminary discussion in the senate entirely negates whatever that good reason was, because the senate-meeting that really matters will always be the one before the assembly, not the one after. And if, on the other hand, it is actually better to have the senate vote beforehand, then that means the procedure in chapter I.D is imperfect and, since it is being effectively circumvented, should really be changed. Either way, it cannot possibly be sensible to have the senate vote twice on precisely the same proposal.






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M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

I take note of the following. Setting aside any comment on the
enthusiastic nature of the message, I will say that this accords well
with my notion of "what we need" in terms of advertising: more action.

The coins happened because Nova Roma provided a place for them to
happen and a handful of citizens decided to make them happen.

It is my opinion that we don't need more citizens, we need more
*active* citizens.

If things happen, people take notice. Let's make things happen. Let's
not start by looking for ways to throw money at things.


Optime valete

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, bryan baugh <leotarious@...> wrote:
>
> I saw the coins on line and jumped all over them when and where do
you guys meet, hang out, kill Gauls whatever?
>

Your lordship
I am new and dont know how things exactly work yet with your organization. On this note I do add though that I am a squire in another reenactment group. That is quite successfull, due to it's constant comraderie. It is my humble opinion that if you met more together and spent more time together you would develop better and bigger bonds with each other. In the end outside people like myself will see your companionship and want to be apart of the New Empire. So by generating revenue as well as swelling the numbers of your organization.
As an example. There are fifty two full members of Nova Roma in the ( for lack of a better word) principalitie in which I reside. My little group of eight guys and four girls which are all joining your organization at my suggestion. Swells those numbers to sixty four ( If they pass the test in ninety days) I dont see a problem with trying to figure out a way to start or sponser a monthly meeting in which we meet in a public place dressed in full Roman garb practicing Roman tactics in public and bring to the publics attention that the Roman are Here!! My Group of friends have just placed an order of one hundred coins from you guys which we can easily hand out with fliers and anything else you might want distributed.
My lord this is only a suggestion and it may be one of ignorance I just wanted to let you know that whatever Nova Roma would need from us we would be more then willing to provide even though we come from a differant land we are humbly your servants and we are Roman to the core.
Yours In service
Marcus Marius Leonitas Britainicus


"M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...> wrote:
M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

I take note of the following. Setting aside any comment on the
enthusiastic nature of the message, I will say that this accords well
with my notion of "what we need" in terms of advertising: more action.

The coins happened because Nova Roma provided a place for them to
happen and a handful of citizens decided to make them happen.

It is my opinion that we don't need more citizens, we need more
*active* citizens.

If things happen, people take notice. Let's make things happen. Let's
not start by looking for ways to throw money at things.

Optime valete

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, bryan baugh <leotarious@...> wrote:
>
> I saw the coins on line and jumped all over them when and where do
you guys meet, hang out, kill Gauls whatever?
>






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I am worried that understandable dissatisfaction with the current body of written law could lead to an equally unhelpful reaction. Many people say, and with some justice, that too much effort is spent on enacting legislation when this energy should be spent on other things. My worry is that the solution which some are proposing seems to be to spend just as much energy, if not more, on scrapping, condensing, or reorganizing legislation. To have a lot of people spend a lot of time and effort on de-legislating seems to me just as unhelpful as to have a lot of people spend a lot of time and effort on legislating. Both activities use up time and energy which could be more usefully spent.

Saying that Nova Roma has "too many laws", or indeed that it has "too few laws", is as ridiculous as the famously obtuse criticism that one of Mozart's early compositions had "too many notes". One does not judge the quality of a piece of music by the number of notes, and one does not judge the quality of a legal system by the number of statutes.

There may be particular leges, or parts of leges, which are demonstrably doing real harm to the republic. These should be repealed. There may equally be leges as yet unwritten which would do real good to the republic. These should be enacted. Most importantly, however, we should not exhaust ourselves by becoming obsessed with legislation, whether with enacting it or with repealing it. Let those who see particular problems suggest particular solutions, whether those solutions involve repeal, amendment, or enactment of leges. But let us have no more of this absurd idea that simply wading into the tabularium swinging a machete is going to do anyone any good.



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Salve Marce Mari

I commend your enthusiam and your eagerness to assist the growth of
the Res Publica Novae Romae.

Do please take note that we are a Res Publica, a republic, if you
will. We have patricians, it is true, and I am even one of them, but
we have no "lords", no kings, no slaves. We may be plebeian or
patrician, we may hold office or not, but we are all citizens (in the
Res Publica) or peregrini (visitors to the Res Publica). In almost
every case we address each other by our Roman names. Deferential forms
of address, although the norm in some other groups, are not needed
here. (Example: I am Marcus Lucretius Agricola. You need only address
me as "Agricola".)

We have a group set up wherein new people can ask questions of more
experienced citizens. It is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newroman/
. I hope to see you and your friends there.

Optime vale!

M. Lucretius Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, bryan baugh <leotarious@...> wrote:
>
> Your lordship
> I am new and dont know how things exactly work yet with your
organization.
> ....

Salve Q. Fabius Sanga

If is funny you should suggest a year book because in the last two days I asked if it
would be possible to print out our list data as The Annuls of Nova Roma.

Great mind do think alike. : )

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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From: Quintus Fabius Sanga<mailto:quintusfabiussanga@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus for Consul : A few ideas


Salve
Until a month ago, i used to use the internet every few weeks mostly to check my mail. Then i found Nova Roma, and since then i can say i use it every day, even my main page is our home page. As i am trying to find out almost everything about it, i have a print out of every page on the site till the roman virtues title, i hope to print the rest soon as it is much easier to read a piece of paper than a screen. What i'm trying to suggest is that considering Nova Roma will be 10 years old soon, maybe we can have something like a college yearbook, with most of the information we have on the website. I willl be very interested to get something like that. prhaps it can even generate a bit of profit.
Vale,
Q.Fabius Sanga


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Salve C. Aurelia Falco Silvana et al

TGP Thank you for taking the time to respond .

" These remarks are intended to be constructive, not corrosive"

TGP understood and appreciated

CAFS I agree completely with Q. Suetonius that such a fee
could hurt our membership rolls more than it would help. If
I had been required (demanded) to pay $5.00 US just to apply
to a group I hadn't yet seen the inside of, I never would have
applied.

TGP With the exception of a few restricted lists like the Senate list etc
all venues of Nova Roma are open for anybody to take a look around.
If after you have done so asking for 5.00 USD to process your
citizenship is not asking much.

CAFS: " The point is well taken that any such fee would have to be
adjusted for each and every country, exactly as is the modest
amount of annual tax we request (and have such a hard time
collecting). "

TGP and maybe when we are finished discussing this it may be that we will need to
reduce the current taxes charged in the hopes of getting more people to pay.

CAFS: However, this is relevant only if an application
fee is charged. I trust that reason will prevail, and
prospective members will still be able to apply for free.

TGP It may be as you say and we keep it a no fee zone but discussing and even
adopting would likewise be reasonable.

CAFS Remember the fuss when the citizenship test came into force?
That barrier could be crossed at no cost to the applicant.
Judging by the posts of newly-approved citizens, passing the
test is regarded as an achievement (it is!). The test has
had a positive impact on the quality of our citizenship.
However, as the most recent (and thorough) census has shown,
our numbers are precious. I don't see that another financial
barrier will help.

TGP But people said the test would drive away prospective citizens
and instead we get better inform ones.

CAFS And as a final note on this topic: for those who cannot use
Pay pal or an international credit card, bank transfer fees
tend to be flat rates, no matter how much money you send.
That little $5.00 transaction could, literally (eg.
Canada-France) cost some $35 US in bank transfer fees.
I've been in a situation where I had to bite the bullet
and give the banking system its pound of flesh. Painful.

TGP one solution would be for ALL governors to collect ALL of their
provincial taxes and make one remittance to the central treasury.
I

I have already created three different posters

SNIP


CAFS: Having worked in media, I can only say that any PR
materials must be (dare I say it) worked on by a committee.

SNIP

TGP I have no problem with others taking a look at my designs
and making suggestions.

CAFS As others have said, a downloadable set of materials is the
most practical.
SNIP

TGP I agree that our PR material needs to be downloadable
But only up to a point because what I have designed are not "flyers"
To announce a meeting but are movie type recruitment posters.

Some of this will cost money and if we are not willing or
are unable to raise it we have bigger problems.

CAFS: If the materials are downloadable, where is the need to
spent over $4000 (US) on printing?

TGP SEE ABOVE

> . . . if every one contributed.

CAFS: Could we perhaps first concentrate on collecting the
current taxes before imposing more?

SNIP
<snip>

>
> As part of our PR plan each April 21st ( or close to it)
> the provinces of Nova Roma will donate five books on Rome to
> a local library. Our library labels are already designed
> and can be downloaded now for use. When we do this we make
> sure that local media are informed and we get as much coverage
> in the papers as possible.

CAFS: This is a great idea in principal--but if the library
labels can be downloaded now, why not just encourage citizens
to donate books to their local libraries, and use the labels?

TGP Because it has been done that way and nothing has happened.


CAFS "Local libraries often can advise on what subjects (or even
specific titles) would be most valuable to their particular
collections, but this needs to be checked by an individual
member at the local level, not top-down"

TGP I do not care what book they donate but
the idea was they would be on something Roman

CAFS Before we begin a high=profile media campaign ("as much
coverage as possible") perhaps we should get our own squabbling
house in better order. The ML has been considerably more
respectful than last year (a salute to the praetores!),

TGP THANKS

CAFS But still has some distance to go. Also consider the quandary of
a citizen who, having obtained a major local media interview,
is asked, "So how many are there in your group locally?" If
the answer is "One" as will often be the case now, perhaps we
should, once again, concentrate on growing from the ground up
rather than from the top down. Prudentia?

TGP What I am proposing is a set of items produced and paid for by
the central government for use at the Provincial and local level.

SNIP

> We can also issue citizenship scrolls ( like the ones used as
> wedding invitations.) This would serve as both a commemoration of
> citizenship and the fees charged would enrich the treasury.

CAFS: Another great idea

TGP Thanks

CAFS .Q. Suetonius puts forward an excellent idea: incentive gifts
to recognize donors, based on the amount donated. Perhaps
we could set up a cyber-wall of donor plaques as a more
public form of recognition. For example, our provincial
sports events recognize Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze
donor levels.

TGP I tried this when I was editor of the Eagle, our newsletter.
and it got vetoed by the Sr. Consul no less. Been there, done that.

>
> I would also like to undertake as a stand alone project
> a survey of citizen occupations and avocations . Each of
> us knows what a few of us do for a living but we do not
> know what the vast majority of our citizens do....
>

<snip>

>
> ....The possibilities are endless because we do not know.
> The information would of course have to be provided willing
> by our citizens. A section could be added to the census to
> keep track of this information. The information like all
> others of its kind would be available for use by magistrates
> in line with their duties.

CAFS: If any of this information should find its way onto
the member profiles, I would be concerned about aiding
identity theft. NR already has the leakiest mailing list
of any organization I know. My dedicated NR edress gets
Paypal spoofs, Coca Cola spoofs, and phishing attacks from
virtually every country on the planet. (I do not have this
problem with any of my other edresses.) I am not interested
in helping these people learn more about me.

TGP I believe that most of the spam that we get is from the
harvesting of of our emails from the yahoo sites for all the
Nova Roman lists. I am unaware that any of our database
information has every been breeched.

The information would have to be given volunteered
and it would be keep safe

> I know that in the USA it is possible to use the free access
> channels of the local cable companies for promoting local
> groups. It might even be possible to have a local TV show.
> How much access can we get, for free, in the other counties
> in which we have citizens? Can we get air time on Italian
> or French TV? What are the possibilities in eastern Europe,
> Australia or in South America?

CAFS: Once again, these are details that will vary from
country to country, and even from city to city, irrelevant
outside their own boundaries. The research is best left at
the local level--from the grass roots up, rather than top-down.
As I understand NR's organization (I may be wrong) authority
for matters falling within the area of a province is delegated
to the provincial governors. If the governor has regional
legates, then logically the governor would further delegate.

TGP What you did not notice is that I asked a
number of question like :

Can we get air time on Italian or French TV?

What are the possibilities in eastern Europe,
Australia or in South America?

This was in the hope of creating a discussion (Thanks for helping )
and in the hope someone would provide that information from their
side of the world.

SNIP

>
> And lastly How about a cookbook from our own Sodalitas
> Coquorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum they write it, we publish
> it and sell it, and the treasury gets bigger.

CAFS: Another great idea. SNIP

TPG Thanks but we need a nice book and there are publishers that print on demand

>

CAFS: Thank you for offering your time and hard work to
NR in the capacity of Consul. You have demonstrated
consistently over the past years that you hold the best
interests of the Res Publica very close to heart.

TGP Thank you for listening and offing you ideas as well.

CAFS My comments above do not always agree with your concepts,
but they are offered in the same spirit of wanting what will
benefit NR.

TGP without a doubt

CAFS I have drawn some parallels from the "real"
world, because NR is not isolated in cyberspace. It is, and
must be, part of the world around us all.

TGP Again without a doubt

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus






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F. Galerius Aurelianus M. Marius Leonidas Brittanicus. Salve.

We are worldwide organization with most of our membership in the Western
Hemisphere and Europe. We are based on a model republic. We are affiliated
informally with a number of Roman legionary organizations. There is one pan-SCA
Roman organization called S.P.Q.R. or the SCA Romans. This group gathers at
major wars like Pennsics, Lillies, and Gulf Wars to fight as mercenaries but
under a century formation. I fought with them at Pennsics some years ago
and they represented the imperial pattern for weapons and armor but also used
long spears and a few archers.

Vale.


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M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

As I understand it, the call for candidates who wish to stand for
quaestor, rogator, diribitor, and custos is still open. Excepting
diribitor, we still have more spaces than candidates.

Citizens should announce their candidacy in the normal way, and having
done that may either enter themselves on the candidates' page
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29 or of
course may ask one of the website staff to help with this.

Candidate photos should be exactly 150 pixels by 150 pixels, and
again, help is available for the asking.

If the link above is broken in this message, going to the main page
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page and entering "election" in the
search box will lead to the main elections page, on which the current
election is listed.

optime valete

---Forward from this morning on the NR announce list....


In NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> wrote:

Salvete Omnes:

After due consideration I hereby offer my services to NR as Custos for
2760 A.U.C.

Pompeia Minucia Strabo
Consul 2759 A.U.C.

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Salve Romans

Just a reminder that the Nova Roma SPQR ring is available

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQR_Ring.htm<http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQR_Ring.htm>

SPQR Ring for Nova Roma

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Sterling Silver (approx. 26.3 grams) $219
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Salvete omnes,

It is money well spent and a real eye catcher!

Regards,

QSP





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wrote:

>
> Salve Romans
>
> Just a reminder that the Nova Roma SPQR ring is available
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>

http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQR_Ring.htm<http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQ
R_Ring.htm>

>
> SPQR Ring for Nova Roma
>
> Influenced by the Roman Empire, we created this SPQR eagle ring

for members of Nova Roma, a Roman organization committed to help
preserve and rebuild the Classical foundation of Western culture.
Our exclusive design features a highly sculpted eagle surrounded by
a detailed wreath of laurel leaves bearing the SPQR emblem. Our SPQR
ring is heavy in weight, rich in detail with quality hand-
craftsmanship to stand the test of time. A love of all things Roman.

>
> Sterling Silver (approx. 26.3 grams) $219
> 10K Yellow Gold (approx. 32.9 grams) $797
> 14K White or Yellow Gold (approx. 36.50 grams) $1118
> 18K White or Yellow Gold (approx. 40.6 grams)$1457
>
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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est pridie Idus Octobris; haec dies endotercisus est.

"All crossed over. They then followed Decius as he moved through the
intervals between the pickets. They had already got as far as the
center of the Samnite lines when a soldier striding over the bodies of
the sleeping sentinels made a noise by striking his shield against one
of them. The sentinel awakened by the sound shook the one next him;
they both jumped up and aroused others, not knowing whether friends or
foes were amongst them, whether it was Decius' force breaking out or
the consul capturing the camp. As they were no longer unobserved,
Decius ordered his men to raise a shout, which paralysed the
half-awakened sleepers with terror. In their confusion they were
unable to seize their arms promptly and could neither offer any
resistance nor follow up their assailants. While the Samnites were in
this state of confusion and panic, the Romans, cutting down all who
opposed them, made their way in the direction of the consul's camp. A
considerable portion of the night still remained and they were
evidently now in safety. Decius addressed them: "All honour to you,
brave Romans! your march up that height and your return will be
extolled in every age. But for the due recognition of such courage the
light of day is needed; you have deserved something more than to carry
your glory back to camp hidden in the silence of the night. We will
rest here and wait for the daylight." They rested accordingly. As soon
as it was light and the news was sent on to the consul in camp, there
was great excitement and rejoicing, and when it was officially
announced throughout the camp that the men who saved the army at the
risk of their own lives had themselves returned safe and sound, they
all poured out in crowds to meet them, showered congratulations upon
them, gave thanks and praise to the gods, and extolled Decius to the
skies. He marched through the camp in what amounted to a triumphal
procession with his small force fully armed. Every eye was fixed upon
him; the military tribune was treated with as much distinction as if
he had been a consul. When he reached the headquarters' tent, the
consul ordered the Assembly to be sounded. He was beginning to give
Decius the praise he had so well earned, before the whole army, when
Decius interrupted him and begged him to postpone those proceedings in
view of the splendid opportunity which they now had in their hands. He
accordingly dismissed the parade and followed Decius' advice, which
was to attack the enemy before they had recovered from their nocturnal
panic and were still stationed round the height in separate
detachments; some who had been sent in pursuit were believed to be
still defiling through the pass. The legions were ordered to arm for
battle and were conducted by a more open route towards the enemy, as
scouting parties had brought back fuller information about the
locality. The attack was sudden and unexpected; the Samnites were
everywhere in scattered bodies, most of them without arms, unable to
secure their weapons or get into any compact formation or retire
within their entrenchments. They were first driven in panic into their
camp, then the camp itself was rushed and captured. The shouting
rolled round the height and the detachments who had been posted to
watch it fled from a foe whom they had not yet seen. Those who had
fled panic-struck into their camp-some 30,000-were all slain." - Livy,
History of Rome 7.35


In the Norse countries, today was celebrated as Vinternatsblot, or
Winter's Day. The longboats were stored and preparations began to
deal with the coming winter season.

"The images of the gods were placed in a half-circle in the shrine. At
the center stood the altar (stallr), upon which lay a large gold ring
(baugr), upon which all solemn oaths were sworn. The bowl containing
the blood of the sacrificed animals (hlautbolli) was placed on the
altar by the priest (gothi), who, with a stick (hlautteinn), sprinkled
it on the images of the gods, and on the persons present. The meat of
the animals was boiled, and served to the assembled people in the
large hall of the temple, where toasts were drunk to the gods for
victory and good harvests. The sanctuary and the grounds belonging to
it was called ve, a holy or sacred place, and any one who violated its
sanctity was called varg i veum (wolf in the sanctuary), and was
outlawed. Three religious festivals were held each year: one at the
beginning of winter (October 14), the vinternatsblot, or haustblot, to
bid winter welcome; another at midwinter (January 14), midvintersblot,
for peace and good harvest; and a third, sommerblot, held on the first
day of summer (April 14), for victory on military expeditions." - Knut
Gjerset (PhD), "History Of The Norwegian People" p. 105


PERSON OF THE DAY - EVENTUS BONUS

Eventus Bonus ("good ending") is the Roman god of success in business,
but who also ensured a good harvest. His statue stood on the Capitol
in Rome, near the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy, Eventus Bonus (www.pantheon.org/articles/e/eventus_bonus.html>),
Wikipedia

Salve Romans

I will be traveling today and tomorrow to Pennsylvaniensis Colles Ferreus (western PA) to meet with Nova Romans
in my province.

If there are any citizens in other provinces near Pittsburg, Pa that would like to join us please drop
S. Ambrosius Germanicus a note and he can give you directions.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
Citizens and other interested persons living in Pennsylvaniensis Colles Ferreus (western PA) are invited to a get together on Saturday evening, October 14th, 2759. We'll be meeting at a private residence in northern Allegheny County to watch 'Gladiator' and discuss how we can make Nova Roma more a part of our lives.

If you would like to join us, please email me at alaric@...<about:blank> for address and directions.

Valete,

S. Ambrosius Germanicus

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Valetudo quod fortuna;

Venator scripsit:

In the early days of the Republic I wrote the first edition of a book
on making mead as a fund raising tool. I self published 200 copies
and sold them online with US $2.00 from each sale going to the coffers
of Nova Roma. It took about a year, but all the copies were sold,
some to Asatru friends of mine.

This is one example.

Another is a vehicle that an Asatru organization to which I belong has
been the beneficiary of several times over the past year...

http://pages.ebay.com/givingworks/index.html

I know, it's the mistrusted eBay - Paypal "Axis of Not-Very-Good." ;-)

But, it is a useful tool.

For instance, there is a project I am considering.

I have a walnut bowl with deep sides (6 3/4" [17 cm] tall), about 8"
(20 cm) across. I have purchased 2 laurel wreath shaped, wooden
appliques, which I am going to affix to the sides of the bowl over the
course of the winter. I will then paint the outside of the bowl with
red enamel and use gold on the laurel wreath and the top of the rim.
The whole will be finished with food-grade poly urethane, the inside
having a thicker coat. I would then put this up for auction using the
eBay "giving works" tool with the proceeds going to Nova Roma. I
would also write it up with an appeal to a broader audience of
"Romanophiles."

Several projects like this could add up to a nice endowment.

I do believe Nova Roma would have to resister as a qualified
organization. This done through the "Mission Fish" website:

http://www.missionfish.org/ForNonProfits/fornonprofits.jsp

is the page of information for Non-Profits.

Another tool the same organization has used; the private printing of
"legal tender" postage stamps. Last year the AFA designed a Yuletide
stamp and sold a good run of them. I know this is a lawful practice
in the US.

The company with which they did business is:

http://www.stamps.com/

The subdivision, which makes up "private label" postage is the "Photo
Stamps" tab from the main page.

A project to design and publish Nova Roma stamps could well work just
as well as did the coin project, and in a similar manner: private
backing, design approved by the senate, subscriptions taken until
critical mass for an order is reached...

At this stage in our Republic's life, I think that private efforts
like this could bear better and sweeter fruit than an imposed or
"suggested" governmental fee.

In amicus - Venator

Those are outstanding rings, If I could I would trade in my wedding ring and use that instead though I think my wife would have a problem with that.

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:19:13 -0000, Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) wrote

> Salvete omnes,
>
> It is money well spent and a real eye catcher!
>
> Regards,
>
> QSP
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Romans
> >
> > Just a reminder that the Nova Roma SPQR ring is available
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> >
> http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQR_Ring.htm<http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQ
> R_Ring.htm>
> >
> > SPQR Ring for Nova Roma
> >
> > Influenced by the Roman Empire, we created this SPQR eagle ring
> for members of Nova Roma, a Roman organization committed to help
> preserve and rebuild the Classical foundation of Western culture.
> Our exclusive design features a highly sculpted eagle surrounded by
> a detailed wreath of laurel leaves bearing the SPQR emblem. Our SPQR
> ring is heavy in weight, rich in detail with quality hand-
> craftsmanship to stand the test of time. A love of all things Roman.
> >
> > Sterling Silver (approx. 26.3 grams) $219
> > 10K Yellow Gold (approx. 32.9 grams) $797
> > 14K White or Yellow Gold (approx. 36.50 grams) $1118
> > 18K White or Yellow Gold (approx. 40.6 grams)$1457
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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Salve Romans

My plans have changed and I will not be traveling to Pennsylvaniensis Colles Ferreus (western PA)
after all.

vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Praetor

----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher<mailto:spqr753@...>
To: Nova-Roma<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Absence


Salve Romans

I will be traveling today and tomorrow to Pennsylvaniensis Colles Ferreus (western PA) to meet with Nova Romans
in my province.

If there are any citizens in other provinces near Pittsburg, Pa that would like to join us please drop
S. Ambrosius Germanicus a note and he can give you directions.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

__________________________________________________________
Citizens and other interested persons living in Pennsylvaniensis Colles Ferreus (western PA) are invited to a get together on Saturday evening, October 14th, 2759. We'll be meeting at a private residence in northern Allegheny County to watch 'Gladiator' and discuss how we can make Nova Roma more a part of our lives.

If you would like to join us, please email me at alaric@...<mailto:alaric@...><about:blank> for address and directions.

Valete,

S. Ambrosius Germanicus

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Salve Ulleri,

Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus wrote:
[good suggestions and this]

> I do believe Nova Roma would have to resister as a qualified
> organization. This done through the "Mission Fish" website:
>
> http://www.missionfish.org/ForNonProfits/fornonprofits.jsp
>
> is the page of information for Non-Profits.

Since Nova Roma is already a registered nonprofit 501(3)c, this looks
like a great idea. Thank you for passing it along.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Salve,

LOL, actually my wife likes the ring and she often lets me wear it
in place of my wedding ring... so long as there are no playeras
(latina tourist hitting beach girls) around. I shall be ordering her
ring when I return from the field in a few days.

Regards,

QSP

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "drumax" <drumax@...> wrote:
>
> Those are outstanding rings, If I could I would trade in my
wedding ring and use that instead though I think my wife would have
a problem with that.
>
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:19:13 -0000, Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
(Michael Kelly) wrote
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > It is money well spent and a real eye catcher!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > QSP
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Romans
> > >
> > > Just a reminder that the Nova Roma SPQR ring is available
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > >
> > >
> >
http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQR_Ring.htm<http://www.eaglerings.com/SPQ
> > R_Ring.htm>
> > >
> > > SPQR Ring for Nova Roma
> > >
> > > Influenced by the Roman Empire, we created this SPQR eagle
ring
> > for members of Nova Roma, a Roman organization committed to help
> > preserve and rebuild the Classical foundation of Western
culture.
> > Our exclusive design features a highly sculpted eagle surrounded
by
> > a detailed wreath of laurel leaves bearing the SPQR emblem. Our
SPQR
> > ring is heavy in weight, rich in detail with quality hand-
> > craftsmanship to stand the test of time. A love of all things
Roman.
> > >
> > > Sterling Silver (approx. 26.3 grams) $219
> > > 10K Yellow Gold (approx. 32.9 grams) $797
> > > 14K White or Yellow Gold (approx. 36.50 grams) $1118
> > > 18K White or Yellow Gold (approx. 40.6 grams)$1457
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve,
I am a Lt. Commander of a local Sons of Confederate Veterans here in
Southern California. I know that the credit card programs work
pretty good.Nova Roma get's to do a design for the card and also a
good point on the card use.
I can dig out the brouchure if the will to do this is wanted. The
members that use it are happy with it. Off hand i can not think of
the bank.
with Nova Roma being a non-profit it would have no problems.
Vale,
Luci
Lucius Curtius Paulus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Ulleri,
>
> Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus wrote:
> [good suggestions and this]
> > I do believe Nova Roma would have to resister as a qualified
> > organization. This done through the "Mission Fish" website:
> >
> > http://www.missionfish.org/ForNonProfits/fornonprofits.jsp
> >
> > is the page of information for Non-Profits.
>
> Since Nova Roma is already a registered nonprofit 501(3)c, this

looks

> like a great idea. Thank you for passing it along.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
>

M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

Is it true that all calls for candidates are now closed?


optime valete




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola"
<wm_hogue@...> wrote:

>
> M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.
>
> As I understand it, the call for candidates who wish to stand for
> quaestor, rogator, diribitor, and custos is still open. Excepting
> diribitor, we still have more spaces than candidates.
>
> Citizens should announce their candidacy in the normal way, and having
> done that may either enter themselves on the candidates' page
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29 or of
> course may ask one of the website staff to help with this.
>
> Candidate photos should be exactly 150 pixels by 150 pixels, and
> again, help is available for the asking.
>
> If the link above is broken in this message, going to the main page
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page and entering "election" in the
> search box will lead to the main elections page, on which the current
> election is listed.
>
> optime valete
>

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

The extension of the call for candidates is now closed. Many thanks to all
those individuals who are running for office.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul


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Thanks would be great to have a Nova Roma Credit Card :)

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:07:46 -0000, Lucius Curtius Paulus wrote

> Salve,
> I am a Lt. Commander of a local Sons of Confederate Veterans here in
> Southern California. I know that the credit card programs work
> pretty good.Nova Roma get's to do a design for the card and also a
> good point on the card use.
> I can dig out the brouchure if the will to do this is wanted. The
> members that use it are happy with it. Off hand i can not think of
> the bank.
> with Nova Roma being a non-profit it would have no problems.
> Vale,
> Luci
> Lucius Curtius Paulus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> <gawne@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Ulleri,
> >
> > Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus wrote:
> > [good suggestions and this]
> > > I do believe Nova Roma would have to resister as a qualified
> > > organization. This done through the "Mission Fish" website:
> > >
> > > http://www.missionfish.org/ForNonProfits/fornonprofits.jsp
> > >
> > > is the page of information for Non-Profits.
> >
> > Since Nova Roma is already a registered nonprofit 501(3)c, this
> looks
> > like a great idea. Thank you for passing it along.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > -- Marinus
> >
>
>

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Salvete omnes,

The 2760 (2007) Roman Calendar is here! Order yours today!

http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar

Valete,

C. Curius Saturninus

Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751





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Salve C. Curius Saturninus

This is great news. Congratulations and thanks .

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: C. Curius Saturninus<mailto:c.curius@...>
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:nova-roma@yahoogroups.com> ; thulenovaroma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:thulenovaroma@yahoogroups.com> ; NovaRoma-Announce<mailto:NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:41 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] 2760 (2007) Roman Calendar is here!


Salvete omnes,

The 2760 (2007) Roman Calendar is here! Order yours today!

http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar<http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar>

Valete,

C. Curius Saturninus

Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...<mailto:c.curius@...>
www.academiathules.org<http://www.academiathules.org/>
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

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SALVE ET SALVETE !

I posted your message to my provincial list, too. Thanks and
congratulations for your fine work.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C. Curius Saturninus"
<c.curius@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> The 2760 (2007) Roman Calendar is here! Order yours today!
>
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Curius Saturninus
>
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The Macellum is updated and a note is added to the main page.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Macellum_%28Nova_Roma%29

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page


Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C. Curius Saturninus"
<c.curius@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> The 2760 (2007) Roman Calendar is here! Order yours today!
>
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Curius Saturninus
>
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Idibus Octobribus; haec dies nefastus publicus est.

"He received the name of Caesar on the fourth day before the Ides of
the month usually called October, which he later named Hercules, in
the consulship of Pudens and Pollio. He was called Germanicus on the
Ides of 'Hercules' in the consulship of Maximus and Orfitus." -
Historia Augusta, "Commodus" 13-14

Today is the Ides of October, and it is a day sacred to Iuppiter
Optimus Maximus. Sacrifices made today at the temples would lead to
feasting in the streets to which the public and the poor were all
invited. The celebrations would consist of games, music, dance and
much drinking of wine. Horse races were held today in special honor of
Jupiter, and in the two-horse chariot race on the Campus Martius the
right side horse of the winning chariot was sacrificed to Mars. In a
curious ceremony, a mock fight was staged over the head of the horse
by the people on the Palatine (on the Subura) and those on the
Esquiline (on the Sacra Via), with the winner hanging it on their
respective tower.


"After this success the consul summoned an Assembly, and in the
presence of his fellow-soldiers pronounced a eulogy on Decius not only
for his former services but also for this crowning proof of his
soldierly qualities. In addition to the other military rewards he
presented him with a golden chaplet and a hundred oxen, and one white
one of especial beauty, the horns of which had been gilded. The men
who had been with him on the height were rewarded with a standing
order for double rations and also with one ox and two tunics apiece.
After the consul had made the presentation, the legionaries, amidst
loud cheers, placed on Decius' head an "obsidial " wreath of grass.
Another similar wreath was bestowed upon him by his own men. With
these decorations upon him he sacrificed the beautiful ox to Mars and
presented the hundred oxen which had been given him to the men who had
accompanied him on his expedition. The legionaries also contributed a
pound of meal and a pint of wine for each of them. During all these
proceedings enthusiastic cheering went on through the whole camp.
After the rout it had suffered at the hands of Valerius, the Samnite
army was determined to put its fortunes to the proof in a final
conflict, and a third battle was fought at Suessula. The whole
fighting strength of the nation was brought up. The alarming news was
sent in haste to Capua; from there horsemen galloped to the Roman camp
to beg for help from Valerius. He at once ordered an advance, and
leaving a strong force to protect the camp and the baggage, proceeded
by forced marches to Suessula. He selected a site for his camp not far
from the enemy, and very restricted in area, as with the exception of
the horses there were no baggage, animals, or camp-followers to be
provided for. The Samnite army, assuming that there would be no delay
in giving battle, formed their lines, and as no enemy advanced against
them they marched on towards the Roman camp prepared to assault it.
When they saw the soldiers on the rampart and learnt from the report
of the reconnoitring parties who had been sent in every direction that
the camp was of small dimensions, they concluded that only a weak
force of the enemy held it. The whole army began to clamour for the
fosse to be filled up and the rampart torn down that they might force
their way into the camp. If the generals had not checked the
impetuosity of their men, their recklessness would have terminated the
war. As it was, however, their huge numbers were exhausting their
supplies, and owing to their previous inaction at Suessula and the
delay in bringing on an action they were not far from absolute
scarcity. They determined, therefore, since, as they imagined, the
enemy was afraid to venture outside his camp, to send foraging parties
into the fields. Meantime they expected that as the Romans made no
movement and had brought only as much corn as they could carry with
the rest of their equipment on their shoulders, they, too, would soon
be in want of everything. When the consul saw the enemy scattered
through the fields and only a few left on outpost duty in front of the
camp, he addressed a few words of encouragement to his men and led
them out to storm the Samnite camp. They carried it at the first rush;
more of the enemy were killed in their tents than at the gates or on
the rampart. All the standards which were captured he ordered to be
collected together. Leaving two legions to hold the camp, he gave
strict orders that they were not to touch the booty till he returned.
He went forward with his men in open column and sent the cavalry to
round up the scattered Samnites, like so much game, and drive them
against his army. There was an immense slaughter, for they were too
much terrified to think under what standard to rally or whether to
make for their camp or flee further afield. Their fears drove them
into such a hasty flight that as many as 40,000 shields-far more than
the number of the slain-and military standards, including those
captured in the storming of the camp, to the number of 170 were
brought to the consul. He then returned to the Samnite camp and all
the booty there was given to the soldiers." - Livy, History of Rome 7.37


"Facilis descensus Averno est;
Noctes atque dies patet atri janua Ditis;
Sed revocate gradum, superasque evadere ad auras,
Hoc opus, hic labor est."
(It is easy to go down into Avernus (the mouth of Hades);
night and day, the gates of dark
Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to
the upper air, there's the work, the task.) - Vergil, The Aenead VI.26

"Publius Vergilius Maro, a native of Mantua, had parents of humble
origin, especially his father, who according to some was a potter,
although the general opinion is that he was at first the hired man of
a certain Magus, an attendant on the magistrates, later became his son
in law because of his dilligence, and greatly increased his little
property by buying up woodlands and raising bees. He was born in the
first consulship of Gnaeus Pompeius the Great and Marcus Licinius
Crasus, on the ides of October, in a district called Andes, not far
distant from Mantua. While he was in his mothers womb, she dreamt
that she gave birth to a laurel-branch, which on touching the earth
took root and grew at once to the size of a full grown tree, covered
with fruits and flowers of various kinds; and on the following day,
when she was on the way to a neighbouring part of the country with her
husband, she turned aside and gave birth to her child in a ditch
beside the road. They say that the infant did not cry at its birth,
and had such a gentle expression as even then to give assurance of an
unusually happy destiny. There was added another omen; for a poplar
branch, which, as was usual in that region on such occaisions, was at
once planted where birth occurred, grew so fast in a short time that
it equalled in size poplars planted long before. It was called from
him " Vergils Tree", and was besides worshipped with great veneration
by pregnant and newly delivered women, who made the paid vows beneath
it." - Aelius Donatus (probably from the work "On Famous Men" by
Suetonius), Life of Vergil and Commentary on the Sixth Eclogue 1-5

"Hae tibi erunt artes, pacisque imponere morem
Parcere subjectis et debellare superbos."
(This shall be thy work: to improve conditions of peace, to spare the
lowly, and to overthrow the proud) - Vergil, The Aeneid VI.852

On this day in 70 B.C., the greatest Roman poet who ever lived was
born, Publius Vergilius Maro - Vergil. The poet's boyhood
experience of life on the farm was an essential part of his education.
After his studies in Rome, Vergil is believed to have lived with his
father for about 10 years, engaged in farm work, study, and writing
poetry. In 41 B.C. the farm was confiscated to provide land for
soldiers. Vergil went to Rome, where he became a part of the literary
circle patronized by Maecenas and Augustus and where his Eclogues, or
Bucolics, were completed in 37 B.C. In these poems he idealizes rural
life in the manner of his Greek predecessor Theocritus. From the
Eclogues, Vergil turned to rural poetry of a contrasting kind,
realistic and didactic. In his Georgics, completed in 30 B.C., he
seeks, as had the Greek Hesiod before him, to interpret the charm of
real life and work on the farm. His perfect poetic expression gives
him the first place among pastoral poets. For the rest of his life
Vergil worked on the Aeneid, a national epic honoring Rome and
foretelling prosperity to come. The adventures of Aeneas are
unquestionably one of the greatest long poems in world literature.
Vergil made Aeneas the paragon of the most revered Roman
virtues—devotion to family, loyalty to the state, and piety. In 12
books, Vergil tells how Aeneas escaped from Troy to Carthage, where he
became Dido's lover and related his adventures to her. At Jupiter's
command, he left Carthage, went to Sicily, visited his father's shade
in Hades, and landed in Italy. There he established the beginnings of
the Roman state and waged successful war against the natives. The work
ends with the death of Turnus at the hands of Aeneas. The verse, in
dactylic hexameters, is strikingly regular, though Vergil's death left
the epic incomplete and some of the lines unfinished. The sonority of
the words and the nobility of purpose make the Aeneid a masterpiece.
Vergil is the dominant figure in all Latin literature. His influence
continued unabated through the Middle Ages, and many poets since Dante
have acknowledged their great debt to him. Minor poems ascribed to
Vergil are of doubtful authorship. The spelling "Virgil" is not found
earlier than the 5th cent. A.D.

The Aeneid is Vergil's masterpiece, a national epic that tells the
story of the heroic Aeneas and the founding of Rome. The long poem is
often compared to Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey, Greek epics
combining history and mythology. Vergil died before finishing the
work, but it was published (tradition has it that he wanted it
destroyed after his death) and became a revered text for centuries. In
medieval Europe Vergil became an almost mystical personage, with magic
powers attributed to him and his work (he is used as the guide to Hell
in Dante's Inferno). The Renaissance revived scholarly study of the
Aeneid and Vergil is still considered the greatest of Roman poets.

"Amor vincit omnia, et nos cedamus amori."
(Love conquers all things, let us yield to love) - Vergil, Eclogues X.69

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy, Vergil (http://www.answers.com/topic/virgil) and
(http://www.idmon.freeserve.co.uk/zmyth4a.htm)

Ex Domo Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Omnibus SPD

Idus October
The Ides of October

15October NP
Feriae Iove (Arv.)
(Equus October)

The entry of the feast of Jupiter, to who, all the Ides were sacred, has crowded out any reference to the 'October horse' which is given only in the late Calendar of Philocalus as 'Equus ad Nixas fit' (the Ciconiae Nixae were post-Republican).
n 15 October a two horse chariot-race took place in the Campus Martius and the right-hand horse of the victorious pair was sacrificed by the flamen Martialis on the altar to Mars in the Campus: according to Timaeus it was a war horse and was killed with a spear. The horse's head was cut off and decorated with cakes. The inhabitants of the Via Sacra then fought with those of the Suburra for possession of this grisly trophy; the winner, if the former then nailed it to the Turris Mamilia. Meanwhile, the horse's tail, cauda, or genitals, still dripping with blood was allowed to fall on the sacred hearth. The Vestal Virgins probably kept some congealed blood for use at the Parilia on 21 April (p, 105).
The original meaning of the rite has been much disputed: some believe in an agricultural genesis, others emphasize the military aspect. The former regard it as the last of a series of harvest festivals and believe that the horse represented a Corn-spirit. This view derives some support from Festus' statement, id sacrificium fiabat ob frgum eventum ('that sacrifice was made for the success of the crops'), but it is rejected by those who see in it a sacrifice to Mars connected with the purifications of the army on its return from the summer campaign and linked with the Armilustrium on 19 October. Of course an element of the truth might reside in both views: what was first an agricultural rite could have developed into a military one, with a war-horse substituted for a farm-horse, especially if Mars himself started his divine career as an agricultural deity. However that may be, the military aspect prevailed and by the later Republic the October horse was regarded as a cleansing of the army: both Timaeus and Polybius set it in a military context (Polybius deriding Timaeus for linking it with the Trojan horse!). note 256
It may be that the struggle between the two factions had lapsed by the first century BC, but the rest of the ritual apparently continued, and Caesar may have had it in mind when in 44BC he handed over two mutinous soldiers to the pontiffs and the flamen Martialis who killed them in the campus Martius and had their heads fixed on the Regia. note 157
(Ludi Capitolini)

The Capitaline Games are not recorded in the because they were not public Games but were given by a College of the Capitolini. This group of men were still active in the time of Cicero who in 56 BC wrote to his brother, telling him how they had expelled an unworthy member, an Eques named M. Furius Flaccus.The origin of the games is uncertain, but was probably ancient since it was attributed to Romulus or to Camillus who had founded them to celebrate either the saving of the Capital from the Gauls (Livy) or the conquest of Veii (Plutarch and Festus). The former perhaps derives from an attempt to explain the College of Capitolini, while the latter may be linked with a curious custom recorded by Plutarch: at these Games a proclamation was made that 'Sardians are for sale' and an old man, wearing a child's bulla round his neck, was led about in mockery; Plutarch identified this old man with the defeated king of Veii who was sold by auction along with other prisoners. Plutarch then explains that the Sardians were really Etruscans from Veii who had originally come from Sardis in Lydia. This explanation should be rejected since the Sardians must be Sardinans, but it is perhaps not necessary to follow Latte in arguing that since the Romans captured Sardinia only in 238 BC, the Capitoline Games must have been later than that. Sardi venales (Sardinians for sale), became proverbial, but its connection with the Games remains obscure. note 258
If the Games in fact go back to pre-Republican times, they must have been held in honour of Jupiter Feretrius not Jupiter Optimus Maximus whose temple was dedicated only at the beginning of the Republic. Thus whereas Livy who attributed them to Camillus naturally names Jupiter Optimus Maximus, Terulllian and apparently Ennius, who believed in an earlier origin, refer them to Jupiter Feretrius; Tertullian calls them the Tarpeian Games, but says that Piso called them the Capitoline. The temple of Jupiter Feretrius, which was the oldest in Rome and was small, was traditionally built by Romulus to commemorate his winning the spolia opima, and it was here that those trophies which were won only twice in historical times (in 428 and 222 BC), were kept. It contained no statue of the god, but only a scepter and flint, The derivation of Feretrius is probably from ferre, 'to carry', rather than from ferire, 'to strike', both explanations being offered by the sources. If the former, it will refer to the carrying of weapons into the temple for dedication; if the latter, to the striking of agreements. The silex flint, originally probably a meteoric stone, was used by the Fetial priest in the ritual of treaty-making. The worship of Jupiter as a god of war is unusual, and is presumably due to the central position he had gained in seventh-century Rome, the time when the temple was probably dedicated. note 259
To return to the Games themselves, little is known beyond the story of the old man and the reference by a Scholiast on Virgil to Ennius' Annals which, he says, told how Romulus built a temple to Jupiter Feretrius and had greased hides spread out and held Games so that men fought with gauntlets (caestibus) and competed in running (cursu): the competitors were, in Ennius' line, 'rubbed down with oil, made supple and ready for taking arms' (conque fricati oleo lentati adque arma parati). note 260

From 'Festivals and Ceremonies of the Roman Republic' by HH Scullard

Mars nos protegis
Valete, Flamen Martialis Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur



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A. Apollonius C. Curio sal.

> The 2760 (2007) Roman Calendar is here! Order yours today!

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Salvete Candidates,

As you probably know, the revivial of the Religio Romana has not
entirely proceeded according to plan.

The Collegia of priests are deadlocked. Most of the seats are
occupied by people who have been inactive for years - they don't vote,
they don't debate, and some don't even pay their annual membership fee.
New priests are not being added.

Public rituals and outreach efforts are few and far between. Almost no
religious material has been added to the website this year, even though
the new content management system allows anyone to participate.

As Consuls, what do you propose to do to revive the revival? What changes,
if any, would you make? Or are you content with the current situation?

Valete, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

-"Apes don't read philosophy."
-"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct
you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of
Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London Underground is
not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up."
-from "A Fish Called Wanda"

Dear Nova Roma,

I have been contemplating becoming a member for a couple of weeks now, but
have some things I am a little confused about.

Firstly, I am not following all of the emails. Given my Latin is
non-exiistent, that is an obvious hurdle in some places. Other emails, I am
not sure if people are in character, or if something is ficticious or not.
This understanding will probably come in time, but it is something that I am
struggling with.

Secondly - selecting a tribe. Are specific tribes dominated by citizens of
the same gens? Same actual geographical region (i.e. Lactus Magni)? Or
just open to whatever you wish? Some guidance would be greatly appreciated
(I have read "Choosing A Name").

A little information about myself would probably be in order. I am
Canadian, live in Canada, an elementary school teacher, and have been
interested in Roman history for more than a decade. My knowledge of Roman
history is self-taught, but most linked to Roman numismatics, specifically
Republican coinage. Most of the books read over the last several years have
been linked to ancient Rome somehow. If you were to look at my office,
someone may think I am a bit obsessed (books, coins, artifacts, wall
hangings, etc.).

Anyway, once I get this figured out, I look forward to potentially being
accepted as a citizen.

Salve,

Jeff Einarson
j_einarson@...

Salve Jeff,

Welcome. I hope I can clear some things up for you.

J. Einarson wrote:

> Firstly, I am not following all of the emails. Given my Latin is
> non-exiistent, that is an obvious hurdle in some places. Other emails, I am
> not sure if people are in character, or if something is ficticious or not.

We are not fictitious characters. The only fictions you'll see are the
posts involving the games -- called Ludi -- wherein you'll see reports
of chariot races, gladiatorial contests, and suchlike. Those things are
fictions, but that's the only fiction that gets posted here. We're real
people who have taken Roman names and who are attempting, each in our
own way, to live according to the Roman virtues.

> Secondly - selecting a tribe.

Nothing to worry about. When a person joins Nova Roma they are
initially assigned to one of four urban tribes. If they (a) pay taxes,
and (b) vote in annual general elections, they will be moved into one of
the 31 rural tribes, where they'll remain for as long as they continue
to pay taxes and vote. Assignment is done by a computer program run by
the censors. It has nothing to do with geographic location or family.
In Nova Roma a tribe is simply a voting unit of the Comitia Populi
Tributa or the Comitia Plebis Tributa.

> (I have read "Choosing A Name").

Good. That's important.

> A little information about myself would probably be in order. I am
> Canadian, live in Canada, an elementary school teacher, and have been
> interested in Roman history for more than a decade.

I hope the governors of our two Canadian provinces will introduce
themselves. Both are good people. We divide Canada roughly into east
and west.

Vale, and again, be welcome,

Gn. Equitius Marinus
Censor, Novae Romae

Hi Jeff,

Welcome to this list and Nova Roma!

>" Firstly, I am not following all of the emails. Given my Latin is
> non-exiistent, that is an obvious hurdle in some places. Other

emails, I am

> not sure if people are in character, or if something is ficticious

or not.

> This understanding will probably come in time, but it is something

that I am

> struggling with."

This list is the equivalent of a Roman sort of forum so many issues,
ideas as well as gossipy things may be discussed. Like all groups
and organizations, many members have their differences, contrasting
personalities as well as particular adjendas so the list can get
very lively at times. The characters here are all real and this is
not a role playing game at all.

We have an idependent university here, Thules which is teaching
courses in Latin even at this moment. I've been working on
Wheelock's over the last year. There are many yahoo groups in this
organization that have intrest from writing Latin with one another
to ancient cooking.

>
>" Secondly - selecting a tribe. Are specific tribes dominated by

citizens of

> the same gens? Same actual geographical region (i.e. Lactus

Magni)? Or

> just open to whatever you wish? Some guidance would be greatly

appreciated "

> (I have read "Choosing A Name").
>

When you become a citizen you are assigned to a particular tribe. If
you are a tax payer (send 10.00 / yr) you get put in smaller rural
tribes whose voting has a stonger clout than larger urban tribes.
I am in a tribe with about 6 people. I too am from Canada but the
others are from the US and South America.

You may choose whatever family name you wish and it does not matter
wher you are from. Many of us choose names of Romans we have
admired. My name, Quintus Suetonius Paulinus, I chose since I like
the historian Suetonius and admire Gaius Suetonius Paulinus, Roman
governor and general of Britain who was able to put down the
Bouddican rebellion against almost impossible odds.

>" A little information about myself would probably be in order. I

am

> Canadian, live in Canada, an elementary school teacher, and have

been

> interested in Roman history for more than a decade. My knowledge

of Roman

> history is self-taught, but most linked to Roman numismatics,

specifically

> Republican coinage. Most of the books read over the last several

years have

> been linked to ancient Rome somehow. If you were to look at my

office,

> someone may think I am a bit obsessed (books, coins, artifacts,

wall

> hangings, etc.).
>
> Anyway, once I get this figured out, I look forward to potentially

being

> accepted as a citizen."
>

Yep, many of us including myself fall into your category. NR is a
big learning curve and can seem overwhelming at first but I'll say
that you shall learn a hell of a lot here and there are many sharp
minds from all walks of life who are always happy to help you out.
Never worry about asking questions - like we say in the oil patch,
the only stupid questions are the ones tha are not asked.

Now I am sure others will answer your post and give you some good
suggestions. Meanwhile if you need any help in getting orientated
don't hesitate to contact me on my email.

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

Tribune Of The Plebs (Tribunus Plebis)

Senator

> Salve,
>
> Jeff Einarson
> j_einarson@...
>

Salvete Cives Novae Romae,

In the earliest days of Nova Roma there was a single page on the web
site, an "Album Civium", listing all of the citizens with their tribe
and century numbers. This was updated a few times each year.

In May of 2000, I was elected Curule Aedile, after pledging to
replace this Album Civium with a database on the web server,
display pages, and editing tools.

This resulted in the second Album Civium, which has for the most
part remained the same until now, aside from some cosmetic improvements.

Today, I am proud to announce the release of the Album Civium, Version III.

The editing tools and display pages have been completely rewritten,
now in Perl rather than C++ for ease of improvement, and are based
upon a project I have been working on for a year: the Baldrick Application
Framework - soon to be at baldrickframework.org - a set of Perl
libraries for user and session management that can be the core of
any web application.

Additionally, the look and feel of the pages has been completely
redesigned, and they now feature a new logo and colour scheme that
will soon spread to other parts of the site.

You can see the new Album Civium at:

http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album

Citizens, please review your own entries there and ensure that
all of your offices are listed, and that your tribe and century
assignments are correct.

Valete,
M. Octavius Gracchus,
Censor.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

-"Apes don't read philosophy."
-"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct
you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of
Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London Underground is
not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up."
-from "A Fish Called Wanda"

Cato Jeff salutem dicit.

Salve Jeff.

I'm not a big fan of "me too" posts, but I'd like to echo both
Equitius Marinus' ans seutonius Paulinus' posts.

I chose the name "Cato" because I am a huge fan of that grumpy,
obstinate, and brilliant man; I am as proud of my adoptive name as I
am of my birth name.

What may seem "fictitious" is, I think, simply the process of our
citizens and magistrates expressing themselves as they would if we
were all actually standing in the Forum; we discuss laws, edicts,
activities, each other, exactly as if we were walking through a
physical common space. My discussions with, for instance, Octavius
Gracchus regarding our legal system are as real to me as anything else
- they are a part of my life just as real as taking a taxi is.

Different citizens have different interests and concerns and these are
reflected in their speech; what we all have in common is an obsession
with our Roman forebears.

Vale bene,

Cato

Cato Octavio Graccho sal.

Salve Octavius Gracchus!

Awesome job. It looks fantastic. Congratulations and thanks.

Vale bene,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salvete Cives Novae Romae,
>
> In the earliest days of Nova Roma there was a single page on the web
> site, an "Album Civium", listing all of the citizens with their tribe
> and century numbers. This was updated a few times each year.
>
> In May of 2000, I was elected Curule Aedile, after pledging to
> replace this Album Civium with a database on the web server,
> display pages, and editing tools.
>
> This resulted in the second Album Civium, which has for the most
> part remained the same until now, aside from some cosmetic improvements.
>
> Today, I am proud to announce the release of the Album Civium,
Version III.
>
> The editing tools and display pages have been completely rewritten,
> now in Perl rather than C++ for ease of improvement, and are based
> upon a project I have been working on for a year: the Baldrick
Application
> Framework - soon to be at baldrickframework.org - a set of Perl
> libraries for user and session management that can be the core of
> any web application.
>
> Additionally, the look and feel of the pages has been completely
> redesigned, and they now feature a new logo and colour scheme that
> will soon spread to other parts of the site.
>
> You can see the new Album Civium at:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album
>
> Citizens, please review your own entries there and ensure that
> all of your offices are listed, and that your tribe and century
> assignments are correct.
>
> Valete,
> M. Octavius Gracchus,
> Censor.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Gracchus
> octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com
>
> -"Apes don't read philosophy."
> -"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct
> you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of
> Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London Underground is
> not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up."
> -from "A Fish Called Wanda"
>

Salve Censor et Amice!

Congratulations to a great work! As a Censorius I fully understand
the need for this change. I understand that this have taken a lot of
time and work because if this I thank You for all the time that You
have invested in the Res Publica for so many years!

>Citizens, please review your own entries there and ensure that
>all of your offices are listed, and that your tribe and century
>assignments are correct.
>
>Valete,
>M. Octavius Gracchus,
>Censor.
>
>--
>Marcus Octavius Gracchus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senator, Censorius et Consularis
Accensus GFBM, Scriba Censoris GEM
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus M. Octavio Graccho salutem dicit

Excellent work! I cannot comment how good the Album Civium is, and how much
you and the web team have done to make the new NR site a great achievement.
I am continuously impressed by your dedication and hard work!

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul

On 10/15/06, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salvete Cives Novae Romae,
>
> In the earliest days of Nova Roma there was a single page on the web
> site, an "Album Civium", listing all of the citizens with their tribe
> and century numbers. This was updated a few times each year.
>
> In May of 2000, I was elected Curule Aedile, after pledging to
> replace this Album Civium with a database on the web server,
> display pages, and editing tools.
>
> This resulted in the second Album Civium, which has for the most
> part remained the same until now, aside from some cosmetic improvements.
>
> Today, I am proud to announce the release of the Album Civium, Version
> III.
>
> The editing tools and display pages have been completely rewritten,
> now in Perl rather than C++ for ease of improvement, and are based
> upon a project I have been working on for a year: the Baldrick Application
> Framework - soon to be at baldrickframework.org - a set of Perl
> libraries for user and session management that can be the core of
> any web application.
>
> Additionally, the look and feel of the pages has been completely
> redesigned, and they now feature a new logo and colour scheme that
> will soon spread to other parts of the site.
>
> You can see the new Album Civium at:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album
>
> Citizens, please review your own entries there and ensure that
> all of your offices are listed, and that your tribe and century
> assignments are correct.
>
> Valete,
> M. Octavius Gracchus,
> Censor.
>
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Censor Octavi,

The album layout is just great, pleasing to the eye and it is much
esier to locate citizens now. Thank you for all the great work and
effort you put into this!

Regards,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus











--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

>
> Cato Octavio Graccho sal.
>
> Salve Octavius Gracchus!
>
> Awesome job. It looks fantastic. Congratulations and thanks.
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Salvete Cives Novae Romae,
> >
> > In the earliest days of Nova Roma there was a single page on the

web

> > site, an "Album Civium", listing all of the citizens with their

tribe

> > and century numbers. This was updated a few times each year.
> >
> > In May of 2000, I was elected Curule Aedile, after pledging to
> > replace this Album Civium with a database on the web server,
> > display pages, and editing tools.
> >
> > This resulted in the second Album Civium, which has for the most
> > part remained the same until now, aside from some cosmetic

improvements.

> >
> > Today, I am proud to announce the release of the Album Civium,
> Version III.
> >
> > The editing tools and display pages have been completely

rewritten,

> > now in Perl rather than C++ for ease of improvement, and are

based

> > upon a project I have been working on for a year: the Baldrick
> Application
> > Framework - soon to be at baldrickframework.org - a set of Perl
> > libraries for user and session management that can be the core of
> > any web application.
> >
> > Additionally, the look and feel of the pages has been completely
> > redesigned, and they now feature a new logo and colour scheme

that

> > will soon spread to other parts of the site.
> >
> > You can see the new Album Civium at:
> >
> > http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album
> >
> > Citizens, please review your own entries there and ensure that
> > all of your offices are listed, and that your tribe and century
> > assignments are correct.
> >
> > Valete,
> > M. Octavius Gracchus,
> > Censor.
> >
> > --
> > Marcus Octavius Gracchus
> > octavius@ * http://www.graveyards.com
> >
> > -"Apes don't read philosophy."
> > -"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me

correct

> > you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central

message of

> > Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London

Underground is

> > not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them

up."

> > -from "A Fish Called Wanda"
> >
>

Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Quiritibus S.P.D.

As of October 18 2400 Roman Time, the time to remit taxes will come to a close for 2759 A.U.C. This will allow time for the Censors to prepare the tribe and century standings in preparation for the upcoming general elections.

Payments from individual citizens made on their own behalf shall be accepted until that time, for credit this year.

Dated Ides Oct 2759 A.U.C. by my hand, in the Consulship of G. Fabius Buteo Modianus et Pompeia Minucia Strabo

Valete


---------------------------------
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Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ave Gracchus;

The entries for myself and my beloved wife Annia Ulleria look fine.

The new look and search function are terrific, BTW!

In amicus - Venator

> Congratulations to a great work! As a Censorius I fully understand
> the need for this change. I understand that this have taken a lot of
> time and work because if this I thank You for all the time that You
> have invested in the Res Publica for so many years!

Thanks! And thanks to all who have offered their praise of the
new layout.

Moving to the Baldrick library was an immense undertaking (the
library itself took nearly a year to write) but now that it has
been done it will be *very* easy to add new functionality to the
site.

My next task will be moving the entire site to a new server,
about two inches up in the server cabinet in Chicago - a much
newer and faster machine. Preliminary tests show that
complex pages run about five times as fast on the new hardware.
I hope to have us on the new server - both the Wiki side and
the Album Civium side - in about a week.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

-"Apes don't read philosophy."
-"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct
you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of
Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London Underground is
not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up."
-from "A Fish Called Wanda"

Thank you very much for the quick responses. It is wonderful advice coming
from the Censor and Tribune of the Plebs.

Again, I look forward to joining all of you.

Jeff Einarson

I may be missing something that is obvious but how does one upload a picture.

Great work by the way.

Drusus

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:55:52 -0500 (CDT), Matt Hucke wrote

> Salvete Cives Novae Romae,
>
> In the earliest days of Nova Roma there was a single page on the web
> site, an "Album Civium", listing all of the citizens with their tribe
> and century numbers. This was updated a few times each year.
>
> In May of 2000, I was elected Curule Aedile, after pledging to
> replace this Album Civium with a database on the web server,
> display pages, and editing tools.
>
> This resulted in the second Album Civium, which has for the most
> part remained the same until now, aside from some cosmetic improvements.
>
> Today, I am proud to announce the release of the Album Civium, Version III.
>
> The editing tools and display pages have been completely rewritten,
> now in Perl rather than C++ for ease of improvement, and are based
> upon a project I have been working on for a year: the Baldrick Application
> Framework - soon to be at baldrickframework.org - a set of Perl
> libraries for user and session management that can be the core of
> any web application.
>
> Additionally, the look and feel of the pages has been completely
> redesigned, and they now feature a new logo and colour scheme that
> will soon spread to other parts of the site.
>
> You can see the new Album Civium at:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album
>
> Citizens, please review your own entries there and ensure that
> all of your offices are listed, and that your tribe and century
> assignments are correct.
>
> Valete,
> M. Octavius Gracchus,
> Censor.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Gracchus
> octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com
>
> -"Apes don't read philosophy."
> -"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct
> you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of
> Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London Underground is
> not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up."
> -from "A Fish Called Wanda"
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete

Great work on the new album. It looks excellent. Is there any way to link to an individual page? Every time I try, it sends me back to the main album page.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa

Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:

> Congratulations to a great work! As a Censorius I fully understand
> the need for this change. I understand that this have taken a lot of
> time and work because if this I thank You for all the time that You
> have invested in the Res Publica for so many years!

Thanks! And thanks to all who have offered their praise of the
new layout.

Moving to the Baldrick library was an immense undertaking (the
library itself took nearly a year to write) but now that it has
been done it will be *very* easy to add new functionality to the
site.

My next task will be moving the entire site to a new server,
about two inches up in the server cabinet in Chicago - a much
newer and faster machine. Preliminary tests show that
complex pages run about five times as fast on the new hardware.
I hope to have us on the new server - both the Wiki side and
the Album Civium side - in about a week.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

-"Apes don't read philosophy."
-"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct
you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of
Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London Underground is
not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up."
-from "A Fish Called Wanda"





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

---Salve Octavius Censor et Salvete Omnes:

Lookin' good Octavi :>) Excellent job, really.

Pompeia Minucia strabo
Consul


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> > Congratulations to a great work! As a Censorius I fully

understand

> > the need for this change. I understand that this have taken a

lot of

> > time and work because if this I thank You for all the time that

You

> > have invested in the Res Publica for so many years!
>
> Thanks! And thanks to all who have offered their praise of the
> new layout.
>
> Moving to the Baldrick library was an immense undertaking (the
> library itself took nearly a year to write) but now that it has
> been done it will be *very* easy to add new functionality to the
> site.
>
> My next task will be moving the entire site to a new server,
> about two inches up in the server cabinet in Chicago - a much
> newer and faster machine. Preliminary tests show that
> complex pages run about five times as fast on the new hardware.
> I hope to have us on the new server - both the Wiki side and
> the Album Civium side - in about a week.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Gracchus
> octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com
>
> -"Apes don't read philosophy."
> -"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct
> you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central

message of

> Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London

Underground is

> not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them

up."

> -from "A Fish Called Wanda"
>

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa wrote:

>
> Great work on the new album. It looks excellent. Is there any way
> to link to an individual page? Every time I try, it sends me back
> to the main album page.

To link to an individual citizen page, first go there with search, then
look at the URL; it will have an ID number at the end. The links to
the individual pages look like:

http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=22

Vale, Octavius.
(Citizen #22).

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

-"Apes don't read philosophy."
-"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct
you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of
Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London Underground is
not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up."
-from "A Fish Called Wanda"