> A. Tullia Scholastica Pompeiae Minuciae Straboni Consuli quiritibus S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Quiritibus Novae Romae S.P.D.
>
> I offer my opinions on the candidates whom I feel would best serve the
> republic in the year 2760 AVC.
>
> CENSOR
>
> G. Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> As Junior Consul I've naturally spent alot of time via email and phone
> with Modianus Consul throughout the year. We consider ourselves
> separate consulships, but we've worked quite harmoniously. I am sure
> there are those who once thought this was not imaginable much less
> doable at one point, but when two people care about one common goal,
> which is NR, it is amazingly easy to get along and not sweat small
> stuff. I find him to be dedicated and he takes his responsibilities
> toward the Republic and the Cultus Deorum very seriously. He has
> gained much insight and experience during his consulship, and I have
> no doubt he will be a good censor for Nova Roma and what's more, a
> good colleague to the current censor.
>
> CONSULS
>
> I will cast stones at the cista for Marcus Moravius Piscinus
> Horatianus and Lucius Arminius Faustus.
>
> Piscinus offers much administrative experience, knowledge of Roman
> law, and his religious resource and dedication are tough to find
> *anywhere* much less NR. He has served well as Tribune, as I expected
> he would. He looks at issues from all sides before making a final
> decision, and that is to be commended. And you will receive a
> decision..one that is well contemplated. I have no doubt he will make
> an excellent Consul.
>
> I am especially impressed with the frankness of Faustus, who promises
> a year's worth of hard work...not a set of plans which can be
> accomplished only within 4 or 5 years. He alluded to a Consulship
> being a small part of a large mosaic, and this is so. A year's work
> for a year's term. A reasonable promise. Faustus is dedicated to a
> realistic restoration of the ancient ways and is dedicated to Minerva,
> Ceres, Vesta. He is a compassionate individual who listens to the
> concerns of people and will administer the law with the needs of the
> citizens in mind, as well as a positive direction for the republic.
> He has past magisterial experience also and he would be an asset to
> Piscinus.
>
> I have known Piscinus since 2000, and I have known Faustus since 2002.
>
> PRAETORES
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica is an excellent choice.

Thank you very much for that assessment. It is a double
honor to be endorsed by both consules.

>
> I read one argument that she hasn't been a Quaestor yet. This is
> ancient law and not NR law. I hear though, from the other side of the
> same mouth, a loud voice of support for some serving consecutive
> magistracies.... but this is not ancient law either, quite contrary to
> it, but it's NR law. Hmmm.
>
> We don't have enough people in NR to yield so strictly to the ancient
> mos maiorum in every respect, and so our laws state that one must
> serve six months in the ordinarii (generally defined as elected
> positions) or six months in the governorship to be considered for
> Praetor, Consul or Censor. This providing they don't resign in that year.
>
> Tullia has not violated this law or we wouldn't have honoured her
> candidacy as Consuls.
>
> She has served as elected Rogator this year (assistant to the
> Censores) which is far busier, with respect, than a Quaestorhip,
> unless one is a Consular or Aedilician Quaestor. Lots of Quaestors
> don't get the opportunity to do much of anything, so this position,
> although honouring of the ancient mos maiorum, is not much of a
> prerequisite to the Praetorship in Nova Roma, as far as relevant
> experience is concerned.
>
> Flavia (as she is often called) gained much of her relevant experience
> when serving as a scriba for the webmaster in 2004-2005,
>
> ATS: If I may make a slight correction here: I was scriba to Praetor
> Perusianus at the time, and worked first with webmaster Calvus, then webmaster
> Scaevola, who appointed me scriba as well; in accordance with our laws, this
> project required the cooperation of at least one praetor and the webmaster as
> well as a Latinist.
>
>
> assisting in
> the rearranging of the Tabularium laws...reading them, correcting them
> and giving them proper Latin titles.
>
> ATS: Though not all of those proper Latin titles have made it over to the
> wiki; the index to the old tabularium has the correct titles for all laws
> passed before last year. We may need the cooperation of the webmaster to
> improve the texts of the more recent laws.
>
>
> She has on occasion, written me
> to remind me of this law and that in anticipation of some event, ie
> election, whatever...and she knows these laws, believe me...because I
> know them also pretty much [ I have to :>)], and so I'm able to
> determine her handle on this. She has also served as Praetoral Scriba
> this year, assisting with list moderation. Her other past and present
> activities in NR include her instruction of Latin through Acadmia
> Thules and membership in Sodalitas Latinitas. She serves as official
> Latin translator for Nova Roma. She is active and has served in
> officerships in Sodalitas Musarum. What I like most about her is her
> consistent willingness to render greetings to new citizens, and her
> willingness and skill to give accurate explanations regarding laws,
> procedures, who to ask what, and where to go, whatever, to those who
> ask. She is librarian, welcome wagon, walking codex, Latinist and I
> have no doubt that she will serve the republic *very* well in the
> capacity of Praetor.
>
> ATS: Again, thank you very much for your ringing endorsement and catalog
> of some of my efforts for the Res Publica.
>
>
> ***********
>
> Titus Iulius Sabinus is a zealous citizen whom I've had the great
> pleasure of knowing for nearly two years. He has been a fantastic
> Curule Aedile, attentive to both his duties of hosting Ludi, and in
> the custodianship of the Magna Mater project. His enthusiasm naturally
> motivates his cohortes to become active and involved. He worked with
> his predecessor Lucius Iulius Sulla Curule Aedile in the Magna Mater
> effort, where I first met him.
>
> Sabine has served well as my Consular Accensus, and he, too, has
> demonstrated a good knowledge of the law in his discussions with me on
> this situation and that within NR. He is good to remind me well in
> advance..."Have you noticed that this has to be attended to, Po?" And
> he will have the link to the laws ready for me to inspect....just so
> helpful and knowledgeable on the laws and procedures. He has also
> served as Scribe to the Praetores this year. He serves as Governor of
> Dacia. He is virtuous and will deliver justice, and he would work
> well with his Praetoral partner and the rest of the magistrature of NR.
>
> Valete
>
>

Vale, et valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica



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Q. Caecilius Metellus Fl. Germanico et Candidatis Consulatui salutem.

[While I direct these questions specifically at Flavius Germanicus due
to their being the direct result of statements he made, I do invite all
the consular candidates to answer.]

For you, Candidate, I have a few questions regarding your statement
published Id. Oct. Before you answer, though, I would like you to
disregard every office I currently hold and for which I am a candidate.
I ask these questions specifically and only as a citizen. Also, please
forgive me for taking your text out of order in asking questions about
it. I find it more appropriate to present my questions in this order.

You stated:

> What changes would I make? I would require that our appointed
> spiritual leaders, whether they be pontiffs, augurs, or flamines,
> actually physically perform the rituals they should do.

First, how would you go about making this requirement? In answering
this, I would be particularly interested in the specific processes you
intend to follow, and perhaps some examples of what tools you would use
(i.e., if you intend to pass a lex, then not perhaps a full legal text,
but perhaps some specific concepts).

Second, as a follower to the previous, how would you go about enforcing
(or seeing to the enforcement) of this requirement. Again, as above, I
would appreciate as specific a response to this question as you can
give, without necessarily giving a full lex.

You also stated:

> What would I do to revive the revial? I would DO more. Personally,
> and through every power of my office, to encourage others to DO more
> as well.

In the text of this message, you mentioned that you would perform those
rites which were prescribed by the Collegium Pontificum, as well as
continuing in your own private [and domestic] rites. So in the third
place, I am curious to know what, specifically, "more" means. I would
also be curious to know how you would "through every power of [your]
office ... encourage others to do more". In this latter part, some
examples would be particularly helpful.

Further:

> we have gone on long enough with certain priestly offices being
> occupied by straw men.

This, as I'm sure you know, is something I view not only as absolutely
abominable, but as a situation that needs to be (and I believe can be)
fixed. In the fourth place, I would like to know not only what steps
you would take to eradicate the situation of offices being held by
"straw men", but also what you would do, if anything, to prevent this
from being the situation in the future. Again, examples would be helpful.

Lastly, regarding an initial piaculum:

> Again, such would be taken under the direction of, and with the
> advice of, the Collegium Pontificum.

Exactly what do you mean by "under the direction of... the Collegium
Pontificum", and how by what mechanisms do you intend to obtain the
advice thereof?

As I am certain, Flavi Germanice, your answers will be quite thorough,
detailed, and fully conceived, I thank you in advance for responding,
and I also thank you for your willingness to serve our Republic yet again.

Valetudo omnes;

I have gone throught the members list of the Sodalitas Coquorum et
Cerevisiae Coctorum at the Yahoo site. All members who were listed as
bouncing have been removed.

If you, or a friend, is affected by this, let me know a good current
email address and I will send an invite to rejoin the SCeC list.

Valete - Venator, Dominus pro Vitae ,-)

Q. Caecilius Metellus Pontifex Ti. Galerio Paulino salutem.

I'm a little concerned about something you have written here, and I hope
you can help me determine whether my concern is valid or not. You
addressed the following to Marca Hortensia aed. pl.:

> If the proposal is rewritten and incorporates reforms that are
> historically accurate and reflects solid historical research ,
> includes a clear stipulation that use of proxies by magistrates is
> acceptable, is clearly the product of the entire Collegium
> Pontificium, has the public support of the Postfix Maximus and
> receives a positive recommendation from a numerical majority of the
> Collegium Pontificium,

I'm sure that should say "Pontifex Maximus", of course. My concern,
though, isn't about minor typographical errors. Some examples have been
presented (I believe by M. Moravius Piscinus tr. pl. et fl. Carm.) in
which the decisions of Pontifices Maximi were overturned by the entire
Collegium. Is it your position, then, that the decision of the Pontifex
Maximus is supreme and, regardless of the remainder of the Collegium
Pontificum, should be followed against the recommendation of the
remainder, or should I read your statement above as an "either ... or"
statement rather than "both ... and"?

You have my apologies if you have answered this question already, and I
appreciate your response.

Q. Caecilius Cn. Marino Quiritibusque sal.

As I've said, I missed quite a few missives up until very recently. I
only have one comment to make here though, and I may very well have
mis-worded myself in the past on this same issue.

You stated, in response to Lucilla Merula:

> Belief does not matter in the Religio. Only actions matter.

In my official opinion, it is *not* the case that "belief does not
matter" in the cultus Deorum. However, it certainly is the case that it
is, perhaps very much so, a distant second to actions. But belief
certainly has its place.

Salvete omnes,

Here are candidates I support in these elections.

For Censor there is only one candidate. He has shown his dedication
and ability to work for NR. Censor's office is an office of hard work
and little glory, so a dedicated citizen like C. Fabius is a right
person for that post.

For Consul there are two candidates above others I support. Lucius
Arminius Faustus is an example of Romanitas, one of the bright hopes
for our future. He has my absolute support. Marcus Moravius Piscinus
is also a worthy candidate with wide and deep knowledge in religio.
Both of these gentlemen have showed their dedication and talent.
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is not a bad choice either, but I will
have to place him to the third place since we have two so outstanding
candidates. The fourth candidate, Fl. Vedius, I do not support.

For Praetor there is one candidate above else: Titus Iulius Sabinus.
For Praetorship requires a lot of work and calm judgement and above
all fair mind. All these and many other good qualifications Titus
Iulius Sabinus has. Please give him your support! C. Equitius Cato is
also a worthy candidate for the post. The third candidate, A. Tullia,
I do not support, since her temperament, experience and values are
not what I would like to see a curule magistrate to have.

For Curule Aedile I do not have the honour to know personally any of
the candidates, but what I have seen from the work done, I give my
support for Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege and I trust her support for
Titia Artoria Marcella.

For Quaestor I believe all candidates are worthy, and especially Cn.
Equitius Marinus who has cursus longer than one can summarize in such
a short message like this!

For the plebeian magistrates I support all the candidates.

Valete,

C. Curius Saturninus

Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751





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> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Octavio Graccho quiritibus S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salve Aule Apolloni,
>
>> > This may seem to some of you an excessively stern reaction. After all,
>> > to someone who's not familiar with Roman constitutional rules it's not at
>> > all obvious that running for praetor without holding any lower magistracy
>> > is a big deal. Fair enough. It's not something you'd expect everyone to
>> know.
>> > So I wrote to A. Tullia to explain that it was a big deal and that if she
>> > valued the mos majorum she should withdraw and run for some lower office.
>
> ATS: And among other things, as noted previously, the Fates intervened to
> prevent that, so perhaps it was meant to be.
>
> What do you think of persons under thirty serving as Quaestor?
>
> (Or are rules only for other people?)
>
> Aula Tullia Scholastica is a splendid candidate for Praetor, and I intend
> to vote for her - and no other.
>
> ATS: Thank you very much for your support...and that characterization of
> me.
>
> Aula Tullia Scholastica has been a hard worker for Nova Roma for years,
> in the Censores' office, as Rogator, teaching Latin in the Academia Thules,
> providing translations promptly whenever asked, and assisting the Praetores
> with list moderation.
>
> Furthermore, as she is a classicist and Latin teacher with connections
> to others in that field, electing Aula Tullia will bring credibility to
> Nova Roma in a way that no other candidate can.
>
> I prefer to vote for people based on qualifications and character. By
> qualifications I don't mean how much purple ink is on someone's album
> civium page, but by what they've shown they can do; and Aula Tullia
> Scholastica is a fine, hard-working, dedicated citizen. I've met
> Scholastica; I like and respect her; I would be proud to see her as
> a senior magistrate of Nova Roma and a member of its Senate.
>
> ATS: Again, thank you very much for your kind words and your support. No
> matter who the candidate might be, we should consider those two things:
> qualifications and character. Too many here win a magistracy, and sit back on
> their laurels, or run away, and, as is the case in the macro world, too many
> who have supposedly paid their dues (in antiquity, and supposedly here, held
> the quaestorship, praetorship, and consulate in turn; the aedileship was not
> part of the ancient cursus honorum, though many ancient Romans did obtain the
> aedileship as a way of currying favor among the populace) are not necessarily
> the best choice for the post they seek. A few are outright unsuitable, cursus
> or no. Judging a candidate by little or nothing more than whether or not he
> or she had ascended the cursus in order is not a course I would recommend.
> Certainly one should not seek a magistracy without knowing a good deal about
> this Res Publica of ours, or without a good deal of prior experience in
> assorted magisterial cohortes, but that sort of rigidity would have cost us
> many a fine magistrate. That is something we cannot afford, just as we cannot
> afford having a morally corrupt magistrate who has done the cursus, or one who
> is incompetent, lazy, or inclined to flee.
>
> It is an honor to be described in such glowing terms by a censor as well
> as both consules, and I greatly appreciate your kind words and your support.
> I am awed, and almost embarrassed, by the praises so many higher magistrates
> have sung of me, and thank you all for your gracious endorsements.
>
> Valete, M. Octavius Gracchus, Censor.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica

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Salve Q. Caecilius Metellus Pontifex

"I appreciate your response." And I appreciate your question

I understand that the Pontifex Maximus is "only" the first among
equals but I do believe that he is due some deference.

He explained during voting his reasons for voting against the reform.
Given the fact that only three members of the Collegium Pontificum
voted for it, together with the PM's opposition I felt that a no vote
was in order.

The Senate vote was advisory at this stage anyway.

As you said I wrote to Marca Hortensia and explained how I would vote
for the reform when they bring it back up. Given the amount of work involved
I am sure they will.

Even though Marca Hortensia does not believe I asked enough questions
( which maybe true in hindsight) I did ask at least three people, two of which are
practitioners of the Religio. She may not like my advisors but they are MY advisors.

THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM OF ANYBODY it is an observation.

The reform was published in July and maybe more questions should have been asked.
If it had been my proposal and I felt it needed to be adopted I would have left no stone
unturned to round up the necessary votes.

The vote was fourteen for, twelve against, three Senators abstained

Even if I had voted for it they would still have needed the three Senators
who abstained and the seven who were absent and did not vote.

Of the four candidates for Consul one voted for it , two voted against it and one was absent.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Mea gloria fideles

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From: Q. Caecilius Metellus<mailto:sapientissimi@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Honor


Q. Caecilius Metellus Pontifex Ti. Galerio Paulino salutem.

I'm a little concerned about something you have written here, and I hope
you can help me determine whether my concern is valid or not. You
addressed the following to Marca Hortensia aed. pl.:

> If the proposal is rewritten and incorporates reforms that are
> historically accurate and reflects solid historical research ,
> includes a clear stipulation that use of proxies by magistrates is
> acceptable, is clearly the product of the entire Collegium
> Pontificium, has the public support of the Postfix Maximus and
> receives a positive recommendation from a numerical majority of the
> Collegium Pontificium,

I'm sure that should say "Pontifex Maximus", of course. My concern,
though, isn't about minor typographical errors. Some examples have been
presented (I believe by M. Moravius Piscinus tr. pl. et fl. Carm.) in
which the decisions of Pontifices Maximi were overturned by the entire
Collegium. Is it your position, then, that the decision of the Pontifex
Maximus is supreme and, regardless of the remainder of the Collegium
Pontificum, should be followed against the recommendation of the
remainder, or should I read your statement above as an "either ... or"
statement rather than "both ... and"?

You have my apologies if you have answered this question already, and I
appreciate your response.





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Salve et Salvete!

We thank you for the support offered. It is so true that there are many wonderful Nova Romans that i did not meet personally. In spite of this i admire their work and i constantly find in their messages and projects a source of inspiration. Marcella and I hope that we will be able to support others in ou turn and by organizing the ludi to bring closer people that never met face to face but who share the same passion for Rome.


valete,

Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege

"C. Curius Saturninus" <c.curius@...> wrote:
Salvete omnes,

Here are candidates I support in these elections.

For Censor there is only one candidate. He has shown his dedication
and ability to work for NR. Censor's office is an office of hard work
and little glory, so a dedicated citizen like C. Fabius is a right
person for that post.

For Consul there are two candidates above others I support. Lucius
Arminius Faustus is an example of Romanitas, one of the bright hopes
for our future. He has my absolute support. Marcus Moravius Piscinus
is also a worthy candidate with wide and deep knowledge in religio.
Both of these gentlemen have showed their dedication and talent.
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is not a bad choice either, but I will
have to place him to the third place since we have two so outstanding
candidates. The fourth candidate, Fl. Vedius, I do not support.

For Praetor there is one candidate above else: Titus Iulius Sabinus.
For Praetorship requires a lot of work and calm judgement and above
all fair mind. All these and many other good qualifications Titus
Iulius Sabinus has. Please give him your support! C. Equitius Cato is
also a worthy candidate for the post. The third candidate, A. Tullia,
I do not support, since her temperament, experience and values are
not what I would like to see a curule magistrate to have.

For Curule Aedile I do not have the honour to know personally any of
the candidates, but what I have seen from the work done, I give my
support for Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege and I trust her support for
Titia Artoria Marcella.

For Quaestor I believe all candidates are worthy, and especially Cn.
Equitius Marinus who has cursus longer than one can summarize in such
a short message like this!

For the plebeian magistrates I support all the candidates.

Valete,

C. Curius Saturninus

Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

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Qui dedit beneficium taceat; narrat qui accepit. (L. Annaeus Seneca)


Iulia Iulia Caesaris Cytheris Aege
Provincial Sacerdos
Legatus Internis Rebus Provincia Dacia.




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Cn. Iulius Caesar omnibus sal.

This is a man of conviction and determination, who will pursue a bold
set of policies designed to broaden and deepen Nova Roma's outreach
efforts. Within the Res Publica he has demonstrated a willingness to
protect constitutional rights and the Religio. This is an excellent
balance. Paulinus is a genuine man, not driven by the lure of titles.
He is a tireless advocate for a fair and traditional res publica. He
will make an excellent Consul.

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Kalendis Novembribus; haec dies fastus est.

"The consuls for the next year were L. Furius Camillus and C. Maenius.
In order to bring more discredit upon Aemilius for his neglect of his
military duties the previous year, the senate insisted that no
expenditure of arms and men must be spared in order to reduce and
destroy Pedum. The new consuls were peremptorily ordered to lay aside
everything else and march at once. The state of affairs in Latium was
such that they would neither maintain peace nor undertake war. For war
their resources were utterly inadequate, and they were smarting too
keenly under the loss of their territory to think of peace. They
decided, therefore, on a middle course, namely, to confine themselves
to their towns, and if they were informed of any town being attacked,
to send assistance to it from the whole of Latium. The people of Tibur
and Praeneste, who were the nearest, reached Pedum, but the troops
from Aricium, Lanuvium, and Veliternae, in conjunction with the
Volscians of Antium, were suddenly attacked and routed by Maenius at
the river Astura. Camillus engaged the Tiburtines who were much the
strongest force, and, though with greater difficulty, achieved a
similar success. During the battle the townsmen made a sudden sortie,
but Camillus, directing a part of his army against them, not only
drove them back within their walls, but stormed and captured the town,
after routing the troops sent to their assistance, all in one day.
After this successful attack on one city, they decided to make a
greater and bolder effort and to lead their victorious army on to the
complete subjugation of Latium. They did not rest until, by capturing
or accepting the surrender of one city after another, they had
effected their purpose. Garrisons were placed in the captured towns,
after which they returned to Rome to enjoy a triumph which was by
universal consent accorded to them. An additional honour was paid to
the two consuls in the erection of their equestrian statues in the
Forum, a rare incident in that age.

Before the consular elections for the following year were held,
Camillus brought before the senate the question of the future
settlement of Latium. 'Senators,' he said, 'our military operations in
Latium have by the gracious favour of the gods and the bravery of our
troops been brought to successful close. The hostile armies were cut
down at Pedum and the Astura, all the Latin towns and the Volscian
Antium have either been stormed or have surrendered and are now held
by your garrisons. We are growing weary of their constant renewal of
hostilities, it is for you to consult as to the best means of binding
them to a perpetual peace. The immortal gods have made you so
completely masters of the situation that they have put it into your
hands to decide whether there shall be hence-forth a Latium or not. So
far, then, as the Latins are concerned, you can secure for yourselves
a lasting peace by either cruelty or kindness. Do you wish to adopt
ruthless measures against a people that have surrendered and been
defeated? It is open to you to wipe out the whole Latin nation and
create desolation and solitude in that country which has furnished you
with a splendid army of allies which you have employed in many great
wars. Or do you wish to follow the example of your ancestors and make
Rome greater by conferring her citizenship on those whom she has
defeated? The materials for her expansion to a glorious height are
here at hand. That is assuredly the most firmly-based empire, whose
subjects take a delight in rendering it their obedience. But whatever
decision you come to, you must make haste about it. You are keeping so
many peoples in suspense, with their minds distracted between hope and
fear, that you are bound to relieve yourselves as soon as possible
from your anxiety about them, and by exercising either punishment or
kindness to pre-occupy minds which a state of strained expectancy has
deprived of the power of thought. Our task has been to put you in a
position to take the whole question into consultation, your task is to
decree what is best for yourselves and for the republic.'" - Livy,
History of Rome 8.13


"In the last struggle, however, the Samnite Telesinus, like some
champion, whose lot it is to enter last of all into the lists and take
up the wearied conqueror, came nigh to have foiled and overthrown
Sylla [Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix] before the gates of Rome. For
Telesinus with his second, Lamponius the Lucanian, having collected a
large force, had been hastening towards Praeneste, to relieve Marius
from the siege; but perceiving Sylla ahead of him, and Pompey behind,
both hurrying up against him, straitened thus before and behind, as a
valiant and experienced soldier, he arose by night, and marching
directly with his whole army, was within a little of making his way
unexpectedly into Rome itself. He lay that night before the city, at
ten furlongs' distance from the Colline gate, elated and full of hope
at having thus out-generalled so many eminent commanders. At break of
day, being charged by the noble youth of the city, among many others
he overthrew Appius Claudius, renowned for high birth and character.
The city, as is easy to imagine, was all in an uproar, the women
shrieking and running about, as if it had already been entered
forcibly by assault, till at last Balbus, sent forward by Sylla, was
seen riding up with seven hundred horse at full speed. Halting only
long enough to wipe the sweat from the horses, and then hastily
bridling again, he at once attacked the enemy. Presently Sylla himself
appeared, and commanding those who were foremost to take immediate
refreshment, proceeded to form in order for battle. Dolabella and
Torquatus were extremely earnest with him to desist awhile, and not
with spent forces to hazard the last hope, having before them in the
field, not Carbo or Marius, but two warlike nations bearing immortal
hatred to Rome, the Samnites and Lucanians, to grapple with. But he
put them by, and commanded the trumpets to sound a charge, when it was
now about four o'clock in the afternoon. In the conflict which
followed, as sharp a one as ever was, the right wing where Crassus was
posted had clearly the advantage; the left suffered and was in
distress, when Sylla came to its succour, mounted on a white courser,
full of mettle and exceedingly swift, which two of the enemy knowing
him by, had their lances ready to throw at him; he himself observed
nothing, but his attendant behind him giving the horse a touch, he
was, unknown to himself, just so far carried forward that the points,
falling beside the horse's tail, stuck in the ground. There is a story
that he had a small golden image of Apollo from Delphi, which he was
always wont in battle to carry about him in his bosom, and that he
then kissed it with these words:

'O Apollo Pythius, who in so many battles hast raised to honour and
greatness the Fortunate Cornelius Sylla, wilt thou now cast him down,
bringing him before the gate of his country, to perish shamefully with
his fellow-citizens?'

Thus, they say, addressing himself to the god,
he entreated some of his men, threatened some, and seized others with
his hand, till at length the left wing being wholly shattered, he was
forced, in the general rout, to betake himself to the camp, having
lost many of his friends and acquaintance. Many, likewise, of the city
spectators, who had come out, were killed or trodden under foot. So
that it was generally believed in the city that all was lost, and the
siege of Praeneste was all but raised; many fugitives from the battle
making their way thither, and urging Lucretius Ofella, who was
appointed to keep on the siege, to rise in all haste, for that Sylla
had perished, and Rome fallen into the hands of the enemy." -
Plutarch, Parallel Lives, "Sylla"

"Sulla drove Carbo out of Italy, having defeated his army at Clusium,
Faventia, and Fidentia, and fought with the Samnites (the only Italian
nation that had not laid down its weapons yet) near the city of Rome
at the Porta Collina, and having restored the state, soiled his
beautiful victory with a greater cruelty than anyone had ever
displayed. In the Villa Publica, he killed 8,000 people who had
already surrendered, set up a proscription list, filled the city and
all of Italy with slaughter, ordered the murder of all unarmed
Praenestines, and killed Marius, a man of senatorial rank, after
having broken his legs and arms, cutting off his ears and pulling out
his eyes." - Livy, Periochae 88.1-2

On this day in 86 B.C., the last battle in the wars between Marius and
Sulla was fought, outside the Colline Gate at Rome. Sulla having
already marched into the city, a group of Samnites and Marians led by
Pontius attacked at the Colline gate on the northeastern wall, and
fought all night before being routed. The Marian forces, led by Carbo,
had been continually harassed by Pompey and Metellus, allies of Sulla,
and almost all the Marian forces had either desterted or been forced
into submission. A few, though, cut their way through to join up with
a Samnite army. Their combined forces, estimated at 70,000 men, made a
determined attempt to disengage the younger Marius in Praeneste, but
it could not get through Sulla's armies. In a final attempt to save
the besieged, the Marian and Samnite forces made a sudden dash on
Rome. Sulla raced there in the nick of time. Dividing his force Sulla
doubled back to Rome with a mobile column, and offered battle under
its walls outside the Colline Gate. His own wing was almost
overpowered, but made a final rally, while Crassus carried all before
him on the right flank. The fight for Rome ended in the destruction of
the last Marian army. Losses on both sides were heavy; the battle was
swiftly followed by the extermination of the Samnite prisoners within
earshot of the senate house before Sulla addressed the senate (this
was the last serious action ever fought by Samnite forces). The
Samnites were slaugtered in the Villa Publica, that housed the five
year census. Their bodies were carelessly tossed into the Tiber River.


Valete bene!

Cato


SOURCES

Livy, Plutarch, Wikipedia

Salve Gnaeus Iulius Caesar


Thank you for your support and your kind and generous words.
I will work hard and continue to live up to them.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Candidate for Consul
Mea gloria fideles

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar<mailto:gn_iulius_caesar@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:26 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Endorsement: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus:


Cn. Iulius Caesar omnibus sal.

This is a man of conviction and determination, who will pursue a bold
set of policies designed to broaden and deepen Nova Roma's outreach
efforts. Within the Res Publica he has demonstrated a willingness to
protect constitutional rights and the Religio. This is an excellent
balance. Paulinus is a genuine man, not driven by the lure of titles.
He is a tireless advocate for a fair and traditional res publica. He
will make an excellent Consul.





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C. Equitius Cato aedilis curulis quirites SPD

Salvete omnes.

"There is this exceptionally beneficial and fruitful advantage to be
derived from the study of the past, that you see, set in the clear
light of historical truth, examples of every possible type. From these
you may select for yourself and your country what to imitate, and also
what, as being mischievous in its inception and disastrous in its
issues, you are to avoid. Unless, however, I am misled by affection
for my undertaking, there has never existed any commonwealth greater
in power, with a purer morality, or more fertile in good examples; or
any state in which avarice and luxury have been so late in making
their inroads, or poverty and frugality so highly and continuously
honoured, showing so clearly that the less wealth men possessed the
less they coveted...[w]e should much prefer to start with favourable
omens, and if we could have adopted the poets' custom, it would have
been much pleasanter to commence with prayers and supplications to
gods and goddesses that they would grant a favourable and successful
issue to the great task before us." - Livy, History of Rome, Preface

My fellow-citizens, I would like first to thank all of those of you
from whom I have received support here in the Forum - magistrates,
priests, and People. If I am elected I will make you proud that you
have lifted me to the honor and dignity of the praetorship. I follow
Livy's advice: look to the past to build for the future, taking from
it those things which have proved to be beneficial and avoiding those
things which have shown themselves to be "disastrous".

We are a restoration of the great Roman Republic; we have taken the
same cloth - woven from strands of politics, religion, law, and
rhetoric - and are striving to create something good, something
beautiful, something true. The history of the ancients is our warp
and the present is our weft. We weave that cloth with industry, and
yet still sometimes warp and weft clash and grind to a halt; this is
not reason to dispair or thrown down the spindle. These are
opportunities to see what works and what does not. We have taken upon
ourselves a great and magnificent duty; let us take care that the
result is worthy both of the ancients and ourselves - a cloth so
beautiful, so inspiring, that the whole world will stand and admire it.

Valete bene,

Cato

Salvete,I would also like to add to this recomendation.Not because of the fact we are of the same Gens.I will be honest that may be just a small part.But through this experience, I have found the man to be honest ,upright ,and very approachable.He is a good Roman who truly cares.There are many scholars here in our Roman Nation who may be able to make flowery debate in defence of their choice.I only wish to raise my humble voice in support of this man ,Tiberius Galerius Paulinus for Consul.Valete,Appius Galerius Aurelianus.Semper Fidelis!

Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote: Salve Gnaeus Iulius Caesar

Thank you for your support and your kind and generous words.
I will work hard and continue to live up to them.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Candidate for Consul
Mea gloria fideles

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar<mailto:gn_iulius_caesar@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:26 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Endorsement: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus:

Cn. Iulius Caesar omnibus sal.

This is a man of conviction and determination, who will pursue a bold
set of policies designed to broaden and deepen Nova Roma's outreach
efforts. Within the Res Publica he has demonstrated a willingness to
protect constitutional rights and the Religio. This is an excellent
balance. Paulinus is a genuine man, not driven by the lure of titles.
He is a tireless advocate for a fair and traditional res publica. He
will make an excellent Consul.

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Salvete omnes

And I shall add that practice without belief would amount to
superstition at best. How one believes in the Gods, what you may
believe of Their nature, is not so great a concern. As humans we are
limited in what we may know, and can only have opinions on the Gods
from our personal experiences. One can, in my opinion, develop more
awareness of the Gods through practice, but insincere and irreverent
practice without belief dishonors yourself before the Gods as you
dishonor the Gods Themselves.

Valete et vadete in pace Deorum
M Moravius Piscinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
<sapientissimi@...> wrote:

>
> Q. Caecilius Cn. Marino Quiritibusque sal.
>
> As I've said, I missed quite a few missives up until very

recently. I

> only have one comment to make here though, and I may very well have
> mis-worded myself in the past on this same issue.
>
> You stated, in response to Lucilla Merula:
>
> > Belief does not matter in the Religio. Only actions matter.
>
> In my official opinion, it is *not* the case that "belief does not
> matter" in the cultus Deorum. However, it certainly is the case

that it

> is, perhaps very much so, a distant second to actions. But belief
> certainly has its place.
>

Cn. Iulius Caesar omnibus sal

For Curule Aedile I heartily commend Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege. Not
only as a member of my familia but as a devoted member of her province
and a determined advocate for the Religio. She is a wonderful example
of someone who always gives 100%. A splendid person!

Because I trust her judgement and common sense I endorse Tita Artoria
Marcella, who runs with her. Although I know little of her, I do know
that Iulia would only run with someone who shared her values and
determination.

As a team they will do honour to the office of Curule Aedile, Nova
Roma and the Religio

Q. Caecilius Metellus Ti. Galerio Paulino sal.

Thank you for your prompt response. While the scholars debate whether
the Pontifex Maximus was a "primus inter pares" or a "Maximus
Pontificum", I certainly do agree that the post does deserve some
deference. However, I still feel that you failed to answer my question.

My question rather specifically relates to whether or not you would vote
for or against a proposal (or rather, one specifically related to sacred
matters) based on the position of a Pontifex Maximus.

Again, I appreciate your response.

Salve Q. Caecilius Metellus

"I still feel that you failed to answer my question."

I am sorry you feel that way , I will give it another try.

If you mean will I vote for or against something SOLELY based on the position of a Pontifex Maximus
( or any one individual ) the answer is NO.

I will not and have not done so. After all is said and done I make my decisions based on the best
information available.

As I said earlier those who support a given piece of legislation have an obligation to actually
work for its adoption and not present something in the hope they will get enough votes to pass it.

This is especially true of constitutional amendments regardless of topic because 2/3 of the entire
Senate has to vote in the affirmative.

I hope this answers your question.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Mea gloria fideles

----- Original Message -----
From: Q. Caecilius Metellus<mailto:sapientissimi@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Honor


Q. Caecilius Metellus Ti. Galerio Paulino sal.

Thank you for your prompt response. While the scholars debate whether
the Pontifex Maximus was a "primus inter pares" or a "Maximus
Pontificum", I certainly do agree that the post does deserve some
deference. However, I still feel that you failed to answer my question.

My question rather specifically relates to whether or not you would vote
for or against a proposal (or rather, one specifically related to sacred
matters) based on the position of a Pontifex Maximus.

Again, I appreciate your response.





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Salve!

A.Apollonius Cordus wrote in response to my question (which follows):

>MTV: I am not sure of the Republican history on further divisions in the provinces to create a second level on a local area. <

>Cordus: A provincial governor can essentially sub-divide his province in whatever way he finds helpful. In ancient times it was normal to use whatever sub-divisions already existed before the Romans arrived. In Britain, which was a tribal society, local government was based on the old tribes. In Greece, which was an urban society, local government was based on the old city-states. For modern provinces with no history of Roman occupation, I would suggest using whatever local sub-divisions are normal - in the U.S. this would probably be states and then counties or whatever the next thing below a state is.<

MTV: Thank you for your response and I will more my portion of this discussion over to the provincial list.

>Cordus: If a province is too big for all its inhabitants to get together for dinner, then that's a very good reason for them to have several different dinner-parties in different parts of the province. It is not a reason to make the province smaller.<

On this I could not agree more, and my goal in bring it up is to do just that and make it possible for people all over the provinces to come together with people that live in their area and not just in their province.

Vale!

M. Traianus Valerius



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M. Hortensia Quirtibus spd;
C. Saturninus is one of the great Nova Romans,student,
scholar, father businessman -our calendars! bringing us great
Academia Thules & always hosting &helping with the games, working
ceaselessly for the Republic. I admire & respect him enormously.
I agree with him entirely in his assesment of the characters
of those who are running & his endorsements.

One word about Fl. Vedius, for a man who has such plans for
Consul, he has never replied about the religious ceremonies he has
done or the real life activities on behalf of Nova Roma. Most
probably because he has done 0.
He's been Consul, now is the time for Faustus &
Piscinus or Paulinus all cives who have labored diligently on behalf
of our res publica.
optime valete
Marca Hortensia Maior

>
> Here are candidates I support in these elections.
>
> For Censor there is only one candidate. He has shown his

dedication

> and ability to work for NR. Censor's office is an office of hard

work

> and little glory, so a dedicated citizen like C. Fabius is a

right

> person for that post.
>
> For Consul there are two candidates above others I support.

Lucius

> Arminius Faustus is an example of Romanitas, one of the bright

hopes

> for our future. He has my absolute support. Marcus Moravius

Piscinus

> is also a worthy candidate with wide and deep knowledge in

religio.

> Both of these gentlemen have showed their dedication and talent.
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is not a bad choice either, but I will
> have to place him to the third place since we have two so

outstanding

> candidates. The fourth candidate, Fl. Vedius, I do not support.
>
> For Praetor there is one candidate above else: Titus Iulius

Sabinus.

> For Praetorship requires a lot of work and calm judgement and

above

> all fair mind. All these and many other good qualifications Titus
> Iulius Sabinus has. Please give him your support! C. Equitius Cato

is

> also a worthy candidate for the post. The third candidate, A.

Tullia,

> I do not support, since her temperament, experience and values

are

> not what I would like to see a curule magistrate to have.
>
> For Curule Aedile I do not have the honour to know personally any

of

> the candidates, but what I have seen from the work done, I give

my

> support for Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege and I trust her support

for

> Titia Artoria Marcella.
>
> For Quaestor I believe all candidates are worthy, and especially

Cn.

> Equitius Marinus who has cursus longer than one can summarize in

such

> a short message like this!
>
> For the plebeian magistrates I support all the candidates.
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Curius Saturninus
>
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751
>
>
>
>
>
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>

M. Hortensia M. Moravio Piscino spd;
Not play acting but with reverance. Perhaps I have a better
example to help others;
I have since childhood attended many Passover celebrations. My
entire extended family is not religious, but all would gather to
celebrate & read with great gravity this seminal event freedom from
Egyptian slavery (maybe mythical) in our Jewish past.

The Romans would entirely respect such an attitude towards
tradition. And of course there was the fact that over the centuries
how many Jews used a very dead language, Hebrew, and ended the Seder
(meal) saying the impossible "Next year in Jerusalem!"

Respect our past & the mos of our ancestors; if Israel can rise &
Hebrew is an everyday language, I find it perfectly sensible for the
gods to be worshipped, the mos return and Latin to again rise to
preeminance.
bene valete in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior

> And I shall add that practice without belief would amount to
> superstition at best. How one believes in the Gods, what you may
> believe of Their nature, is not so great a concern. As humans we

are

> limited in what we may know, and can only have opinions on the

Gods

> from our personal experiences. One can, in my opinion, develop

more

> awareness of the Gods through practice, but insincere and

irreverent

> practice without belief dishonors yourself before the Gods as you
> dishonor the Gods Themselves.
>
> Valete et vadete in pace Deorum
> M Moravius Piscinus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
> <sapientissimi@> wrote:
> >
> > Q. Caecilius Cn. Marino Quiritibusque sal.
> >
> > As I've said, I missed quite a few missives up until very
> recently. I
> > only have one comment to make here though, and I may very well

have

> > mis-worded myself in the past on this same issue.
> >
> > You stated, in response to Lucilla Merula:
> >
> > > Belief does not matter in the Religio. Only actions matter.
> >
> > In my official opinion, it is *not* the case that "belief does

not

> > matter" in the cultus Deorum. However, it certainly is the case
> that it
> > is, perhaps very much so, a distant second to actions. But

belief

> > certainly has its place.
> >
>

M. Hortensia Q. Suetonio Pauline:
interesting topic. First people who practice the
religio probably would not like to be known as 'converts';-
As far as I know, right now I have only found the famous
Jewish philosopher, Philo of Alexandria's nephew Tiberius Iulius
Alexander, who was Governor of Egypt.

But of course this is too late for Republican officials. But remember
Judaea had been already Hellenized. Just look at the names of priestly
families: Alexander Jannaeus, John Hyrcanus. The Hasmoneans & of
course the Herods. Jewish Queens such as Alexandra Salome...You'd need
to ask probably a specialist in Roman-Jewish history to find out.

In fact, the Herodian family became excessively romanized.
Aristobulus married Iotape Priestess-Queen of Emesa, then there is
Julia Berenice, mistress of Titus, her grandaughter was Julia Crispina
Bereniciana & more; Drusilla who married Felix, governor of Judaea,
Julius Agrippa etc.

>

As for the wrath of YHWH, Jews were devoted to him for centuries after
the Temple fell & of course there was the Holocaust.
bene valete
M. Hortensia Maior

> Salvete omnes,
>
> I am following this discussion on auspices of magistrates with an
> academic spirit and something came to mind. Chistians did not exist
> until well after the fall of the republic so I am looking to the
> Jewish religion as a model from these times.
>
> Do any of our Roman history or religio experts know if any Jewish
> people were ever appointed as magistrates in Rome herself or in the
> provinces? If so, did they partake in the religio ceremonies as
> magistrates?
>
>

Salve,

That has always been the goal of Nova Roma.

In fact, I used to sign my emails "Next year in the Forum!" with
precisely that sentiment in mind.

Perhaps I shall begin to do so again.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
Consular
Senator

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flavius_Vedius_Germanicus_(Election_MMDCCLIX)

Maior wrote:

>M. Hortensia M. Moravio Piscino spd;
> Not play acting but with reverance. Perhaps I have a better
>example to help others;
> I have since childhood attended many Passover celebrations. My
>entire extended family is not religious, but all would gather to
>celebrate & read with great gravity this seminal event freedom from
>Egyptian slavery (maybe mythical) in our Jewish past.
>
>The Romans would entirely respect such an attitude towards
>tradition. And of course there was the fact that over the centuries
>how many Jews used a very dead language, Hebrew, and ended the Seder
>(meal) saying the impossible "Next year in Jerusalem!"
>
>Respect our past & the mos of our ancestors; if Israel can rise &
>Hebrew is an everyday language, I find it perfectly sensible for the
>gods to be worshipped, the mos return and Latin to again rise to
>preeminance.
> bene valete in pacem deorum
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
>
>
>>And I shall add that practice without belief would amount to
>>superstition at best. How one believes in the Gods, what you may
>>believe of Their nature, is not so great a concern. As humans we
>>
>>
>are
>
>
>>limited in what we may know, and can only have opinions on the
>>
>>
>Gods
>
>
>>from our personal experiences. One can, in my opinion, develop
>>
>>
>more
>
>
>>awareness of the Gods through practice, but insincere and
>>
>>
>irreverent
>
>
>>practice without belief dishonors yourself before the Gods as you
>>dishonor the Gods Themselves.
>>
>>Valete et vadete in pace Deorum
>>M Moravius Piscinus
>>
>>
>>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
>><sapientissimi@> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Q. Caecilius Cn. Marino Quiritibusque sal.
>>>
>>>As I've said, I missed quite a few missives up until very
>>>
>>>
>>recently. I
>>
>>
>>>only have one comment to make here though, and I may very well
>>>
>>>
>have
>
>
>>>mis-worded myself in the past on this same issue.
>>>
>>>You stated, in response to Lucilla Merula:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Belief does not matter in the Religio. Only actions matter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>In my official opinion, it is *not* the case that "belief does
>>>
>>>
>not
>
>
>>>matter" in the cultus Deorum. However, it certainly is the case
>>>
>>>
>>that it
>>
>>
>>>is, perhaps very much so, a distant second to actions. But
>>>
>>>
>belief
>
>
>>>certainly has its place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Salve,

Maior wrote:

> One word about Fl. Vedius, for a man who has such plans for
>Consul, he has never replied about the religious ceremonies he has
>done or the real life activities on behalf of Nova Roma. Most
>probably because he has done 0.
>
>

Actually, that is not correct. I did not answer because I find you
obnoxious.

However, since you are so insistent that I (as opposed to any other
candidate for Consul) answer...

In point of fact, I have performed dozens of real-world ceremonies on
behalf of Nova Roma during my term as Augur. I did indeed perform
several offerings to the Gods when I was a Pontiff in our early days.
However, since I am not currently a member of any priesthood, I fail to
see how I could be expected to have performed any other ceremonies of
the Religio Publica in recent days. I maintain a lararium and daily
follow the Religio Privata of my home, and have dutifully performed
other ceremonies during the years.

In terms of real-world activities, I have represented Nova Roma at three
different Roman Days celebrations, manning the booth and hawking those
wares which go straight into the public treasury; t-shirts (two runs of
which I paid for out of my own pocket up-front), coins, flags, bumper
stickers, and so forth. I hosted a monthly face-to-face gathering here
in New Jersey when I was governor of Mediatlantica, and

May I ask the same of you? How many real-world activities have you
participated in, religious or otherwise?

> He's been Consul, now is the time for Faustus &
>Piscinus or Paulinus all cives who have labored diligently on behalf
>of our res publica.
>

I suggest you ask the other candidates for Consul the same questions,
with the same doggedness.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
Consular
Senator

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flavius_Vedius_Germanicus_(Election_MMDCCLIX)

Salve Praetor and Candidate Paulinus,

> "I still feel that you failed to answer my question."
>
> I am sorry you feel that way , I will give it another try.

That's alright. You were willing to give it another try, and I
appreciate that.

> If you mean will I vote for or against something SOLELY based on the position of a Pontifex Maximus
> ( or any one individual ) the answer is NO.

That is quite indeed my question, and I am very happy to have that answer.

> As I said earlier those who support a given piece of legislation have an obligation to actually
> work for its adoption and not present something in the hope they will get enough votes to pass it.

This is perhaps something about which I disagree with you, though we
may, in fact, agree, under the right interpretation. In any case,
that's another topic for a different thread.

Again, I thank you for answering.

Vale,

Q. Caecilius Metellus

SALVE ET SALVETE !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C. Curius Saturninus"
<c.curius@...> wrote:

> For Praetor there is one candidate above else: Titus Iulius Sabinus.

For Praetorship requires a lot of work and calm judgement and above
all fair mind. All these and many other good qualifications Titus
Iulius Sabinus has. Please give him your support!>>

You honored me with this message, Curi Saturnine. Thank you very much
for your support.
I find in you not only a friend but a model for my activities, too. I
said in my Cohort list that you belong to the Golden Age of Aedilitas.
Your candidacy will bring again that period.

VALE ET VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:

>In terms of real-world activities, I have represented Nova Roma at three
>different Roman Days celebrations, manning the booth and hawking those
>wares which go straight into the public treasury; t-shirts (two runs of
>which I paid for out of my own pocket up-front), coins, flags, bumper
>stickers, and so forth. I hosted a monthly face-to-face gathering here
>in New Jersey when I was governor of Mediatlantica, and
>

Whoops! That should have ended with,

I hosted a monthly face-to-face gathering here in New Jersey when I was governor of Mediatlantica, and to this day I carry one of each of our Nova Roma coins in my pocket as a constant reminder that we are not just an Internet entity, but exist in the real world.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
Consular
Senator

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flavius_Vedius_Germanicus_(Election_MMDCCLIX)

SALVE !

Thank you very much for support. You and Pompeia were the first
persons who explained me what MMP is. I still remember our discussions
about the Vermaseren's books and MM inscriptions.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
> For praetores; T. Iulius Sabinus & after much thought C. Equitius
> Cato, sometime Cato is so hard-headed! But he is devoted to Nova
> Roma.

Cato omnes SPD

Salvete omnes!

I usually hesitate to endorse candidates only because it can be viewed
as a liability, not an asset, by some :-) but what the hell...

I would like to commend Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege and Titia Artoria
Marcella for their outstanding work this year in the Curule Aediles'
Office working on the ludi, MMP, and many other projects. They were
tireless in their efforts and know exactly what is required of the
aedileship. I think they would give us splendid games next year.

Although he is running alone and unopposed, C. Curius Saturninus is
ready once more to offer himself as Plebeian Aedile, and I think he
has shown himself to be a tireless worker for the Republic in the last
year.

The quaestorial candidates are all excellent, with a special shout out
to Gn. Equitius Marinus and Q. Caecilius Metellus, both of whom have
been unceasingly patient with me as I slogged my way through any
number of questions.

I endorsed T. Iulius Sabinus the day he announced, and I cannot
imagine a better candidate for the praetorship. Well, I'm a pretty
good one, too...

G. Fabius Buteo Modianus and I do not see eye to eye on...well, just
about anything....but the one thing I do know is that he is committed
to the Republic, and that, in my book, must trump personality
conflicts. Whether he commends me to you for the praetorship or not -
oh, no, he didn't, actually - I think he will be molded into a very
competent censor.

The consular race... Lucius Arminius Faustus is more Roman than the
Romans. I find his vision inspiring, his willingness to pour out his
heart - in, what to him, is a foreign language at that - is both
delightful and necessary for the continuing spirit of the Republic.
Ti. Galerius Paulinus and I have both butted heads and shared some of
the same visions, and his dedication to the rule of law and the rights
of our citizens is almost unparalelled (I think I'm spelling that
incorrectly - are there two sets of double "l"s?) - I say "almost"
because I think I give him a run for his money on that score. I
believe the two of them would make an extraordinary College of Consuls.

So, that's my take on things.

Valete bene,

Cato

Salve Cato

Who said in part that

" I believe the two of them would make an extraordinary College of Consuls.

Thank you for your kind words and I couldn't agree more

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus and Lucius Arminius Faustus for Consul 2760 a.v.c.

"Consuls from the New World working to build a New Rome"

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Mea gloria fideles

----- Original Message -----
From: gequitiuscato<mailto:mlcinnyc@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Cato's Candidate Corner


Cato omnes SPD

Salvete omnes!

I usually hesitate to endorse candidates only because it can be viewed
as a liability, not an asset, by some :-) but what the hell...

I would like to commend Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege and Titia Artoria
Marcella for their outstanding work this year in the Curule Aediles'
Office working on the ludi, MMP, and many other projects. They were
tireless in their efforts and know exactly what is required of the
aedileship. I think they would give us splendid games next year.

Although he is running alone and unopposed, C. Curius Saturninus is
ready once more to offer himself as Plebeian Aedile, and I think he
has shown himself to be a tireless worker for the Republic in the last
year.

The quaestorial candidates are all excellent, with a special shout out
to Gn. Equitius Marinus and Q. Caecilius Metellus, both of whom have
been unceasingly patient with me as I slogged my way through any
number of questions.

I endorsed T. Iulius Sabinus the day he announced, and I cannot
imagine a better candidate for the praetorship. Well, I'm a pretty
good one, too...

G. Fabius Buteo Modianus and I do not see eye to eye on...well, just
about anything....but the one thing I do know is that he is committed
to the Republic, and that, in my book, must trump personality
conflicts. Whether he commends me to you for the praetorship or not -
oh, no, he didn't, actually - I think he will be molded into a very
competent censor.

The consular race... Lucius Arminius Faustus is more Roman than the
Romans. I find his vision inspiring, his willingness to pour out his
heart - in, what to him, is a foreign language at that - is both
delightful and necessary for the continuing spirit of the Republic.
Ti. Galerius Paulinus and I have both butted heads and shared some of
the same visions, and his dedication to the rule of law and the rights
of our citizens is almost unparalelled (I think I'm spelling that
incorrectly - are there two sets of double "l"s?) - I say "almost"
because I think I give him a run for his money on that score. I
believe the two of them would make an extraordinary College of Consuls.

So, that's my take on things.

Valete bene,

Cato





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete omnes,

As all are doubtless aware, we are faced with a choice for Consul this
year. I am one of four candidates for two positions. I humbly seek your
vote.

I will not speak about the other candidates for office. They are doing
an ample job of speaking-- or not-- on their own behalf.

I will indeed admit two flaws. I've resigned my Citizenship twice, and I
tend to be a tad hot-headed when I perceive I am attacked.

Mea culpa, on both charges.

In regards to Charge The First, I first left Nova Roma due to a
perceived religious conflict. I realized my mistake almost immediately
and came back, and was eventually re-entered as a Senator and eventually
appointed by that August Body as our first and (hopefully) only Dictator
in response to a crisis of unforeseen proportions. I was subsequently
elected as Consul and served a full and significant term in office. I
make no apologies for that first resignation, as it was made in complete
earnestness. The second time I left Nova Roma for reasons which were
lacking. That resignation I do regret, deeply. It was wrong, and
unnecessary, and I accept the culpability therefore. But I hope our good
Cives will look past it and see not only my years of loyal Citizenship
since my return, but will look to the vision which I lay out for our
coming year.

In regards to Charge the Second, I can indeed be a jerk when it seems
like people are laying into me. I fully admit it. I always try to start
out polite; I only move to "jerk mode" when I am attacked personally
(disputes of policy are one thing, and fully in-bounds; attacks on
personality or character are quite another, and I will respond
accordingly).

Not all the time, though, and I will say in my own defense that I am a
jerk _who_gets_things_done_. I was a jerk in my second Consulship and
managed to piss off some people; I defy any Consul who has actually
accomplished anything (and that's a subset of the group of "all
Consuls") to say otherwise. But I also managed to set Nova Roma on a
firm financial footing, so that we now have a real budget to use, rather
than relying on private donations and a dribble of saleable goods. That
I feel is a worthwhile price to pay for alienating a handful of people
(although my efforts to reach out to them personally are continuous,
even if they are regularly rebuffed).

If you want Consuls who will be Nice Guys all the time, then I cannot
promise that will be me. But if you want a Consul that will DO THINGS,
and possess vision and purpose, and not be afraid to step on some toes
to see those visions come to fruition; with all due modesty, I am the
one you should vote for. Some of my detractors speak of my past record
as a detriment, but I will champion it. Yes, I pissed some people off--
certainly unintentionally-- and still do. But I got things done, by the
Gods, and I don't shirk from that legacy one whit. I hold it high.

And I _will_ stay. I stayed through my last Consulship. I vow,
publically, to do it through a future one, should the Gods and the
Quirites see fit to grant me one more term in the Curule Chair.

But enough of countering the negative. I have always preferred to speak
about the positive!

Here is the Nova Roma I envision for the coming year, MMDCCLX...

I see a Nova Roma where the Religio is finally broken free of its
moribund state. Not through any extensive and controversial
Constitutional Reform package, but through an earnest and swift dialog
with the members of the Collegium Pontificum. Changing the Constitution
to strip power from the CP is not only ahistorical, but a sledgehammer
where none is needed. It is an action borne of (understandbale)
frustration. I believe that much of the solution lies in getting our
Pontifices to actually _perform_ the rites they are supposed to be
performing, and actually issuing the advice they are supposed to be
issuing. If elected Consul, I will work as far as I am able to see to it
that the Collegium Pontificum starts issuing the advice which is its
primary purpose, as well as performing the rites it was historically
assigned. There is no reason to strip the CP of power and transfer that
power to a non-Pagan Senate. I will also make whatever funds the current
budget makes available to support our priests to offset their expenses
in not only performing, but also promoting and encouraging others to
participate in, those rituals which the Collegium Pontificum has deemed
fit to receive public funding. Some think that's a waste of money. I
think it's a vital step.

I see a Nova Roma where we finally break free of the confines of the
Internet. Where the majority of our interpersonal interaction is done
where people are actually in the same room. To this end, I will not only
undertake such an effort here in Boreocaesarium (Northern Jersey), but
will also use whatever funds are available to assist others in
establishing local communities wherever there are sufficient Cives to
warrant such, and also to spread the word of Nova Roma to bring new
cives into our ranks. Both in terms of the Religio and our more social
functions, we must actually start meeting face to face. Otherwise, we
are no better than Ancientsites.com.

I see a Nova Roma which proactively seeks to make its presence known in
the world, and when new people arrive they are given the fullest measure
of support possible. Not only should we be promoting ourselves in
various places where those who share our love of Rome are known to
congregate, but there is no excuse for us-- every one of us-- to not
spread the word among our friends, our neighbors, our co-workers. Not
that I say we should go door-to-door spreading the Roman Virtues like
some Mediterranean Mormons, but would it hurt you to take a NR flyer and
put it up at the bulletin board at the laundromat? Or the supermarket?
Or the library? And once new people join, they should not be tossed into
the rough seas of the main list, left to fend for themselves in the
rough seas of our society. We should put in place some mechanism whereby
new members are given the support they need, the instruction they
require, and the "soft landing" that will make them into enthusiastic,
supportive cives rather than lost and disaffected email list members.

I see a Nova Roma that's fun again. Where the Roman Gods are properly
honored, Roman culture is properly studied and embraced, and the word of
the rebirth of the Roman Republic continues to spread.

I cannot promise miracles. But if I am elected Consul, I can promise to
do my all to make that vision a reality.

If you share that vision, I humbly ask that you vote for me.

Next year in the Forum!

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae
Consular
Senator

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flavius_Vedius_Germanicus_(Election_MMDCCLIX)

Salve, excellent Saturninus,

Thanks by the support.

I remember the bright work you have done in your quaestorship, the
questionary about taxes. Very good work. Oh, I remember, I was very
impressed. You really was a Quaestor, with plus major Q.

And as I tribune, you have to face some pitt-bull tribunes. Oh, tought work!
Oh, hard times! But worthy, surely!

The Plebeian Aedileship more than never needs some high-scale plebeain like
you to enlight it.

I share all your words about excellent Piscinus, I am very pleased to see
him on this election.

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus

FAUSTUS PARA CONSUL!
FAUSTUS PARA CONSUL!
FAUSTUS PARA CONSUL!
FAUSTUS PARA CONSUL!
FAUSTUS PARA CONSUL!

2006/11/1, C. Curius Saturninus <c.curius@...>:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Here are candidates I support in these elections.
>
> For Censor there is only one candidate. He has shown his dedication
> and ability to work for NR. Censor's office is an office of hard work
> and little glory, so a dedicated citizen like C. Fabius is a right
> person for that post.
>
> For Consul there are two candidates above others I support. Lucius
> Arminius Faustus is an example of Romanitas, one of the bright hopes
> for our future. He has my absolute support. Marcus Moravius Piscinus
> is also a worthy candidate with wide and deep knowledge in religio.
> Both of these gentlemen have showed their dedication and talent.
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is not a bad choice either, but I will
> have to place him to the third place since we have two so outstanding
> candidates. The fourth candidate, Fl. Vedius, I do not support.
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve, dearest Cato, my praetor candidate!

My thanks by your support!
NR needs hard-tempered men like you. Sometimes people call us
revolucionary... but, what kind of revolucionary are us, if we just want a
more roman Nova Roma?

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus

FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL!

FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL!


FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL!


FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL!


FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL!


FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL!


FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL!


FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL!



2006/11/2, gequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...>:

>
> Cato omnes SPD
>
>
> The consular race... Lucius Arminius Faustus is more Roman than the
> Romans. I find his vision inspiring, his willingness to pour out his
> heart - in, what to him, is a foreign language at that - is both
> delightful and necessary for the continuing spirit of the Republic.
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete M. Hortensia Maior et A.Appolini Corde,

Thank you both for your responses to my question. That clears
everything up for me.


Regards,

QSP

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Q. Suetonio Pauline:
> interesting topic. First people who practice the
> religio probably would not like to be known as 'converts';-
> As far as I know, right now I have only found the
famous
> Jewish philosopher, Philo of Alexandria's nephew Tiberius Iulius
> Alexander, who was Governor of Egypt.
>
> But of course this is too late for Republican officials. But
remember
> Judaea had been already Hellenized. Just look at the names of
priestly
> families: Alexander Jannaeus, John Hyrcanus. The Hasmoneans & of
> course the Herods. Jewish Queens such as Alexandra Salome...You'd
need
> to ask probably a specialist in Roman-Jewish history to find out.
>
> In fact, the Herodian family became excessively romanized.
> Aristobulus married Iotape Priestess-Queen of Emesa, then there is
> Julia Berenice, mistress of Titus, her grandaughter was Julia
Crispina
> Bereniciana & more; Drusilla who married Felix, governor of
Judaea,
> Julius Agrippa etc.
> >
> As for the wrath of YHWH, Jews were devoted to him for centuries
after
> the Temple fell & of course there was the Holocaust.
> bene valete
> M. Hortensia Maior
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > I am following this discussion on auspices of magistrates with
an
> > academic spirit and something came to mind. Chistians did not
exist
> > until well after the fall of the republic so I am looking to the
> > Jewish religion as a model from these times.
> >
> > Do any of our Roman history or religio experts know if any
Jewish
> > people were ever appointed as magistrates in Rome herself or in
the
> > provinces? If so, did they partake in the religio ceremonies as
> > magistrates?
> >
> >
>

Salve, magnifice fetial Metelle,

[While I direct these questions specifically at Flavius Germanicus due
to their being the direct result of statements he made, I do invite all
the consular candidates to answer.]


By holy Vesta, I will answer soon this question, as a part of one of my
speeches of campaign. However, even the speech of today (3th - about
reforms) I was´t able to finish in time.

But, as a hint of my ideas, we will not be able to make the true Ancient
Roman Political System without a deep reconstruction of the priesthood of
the Religio of the State. At the same fashion we must challenge new citizens
to have courage to undertake the magistratures, we must challenge these
new-practitioners to take the vacant priesthoods. I keep them active - very
important.

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus

PS - The vocative of Fetial is... fetial?


FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL
FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL
FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL
FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL
FAUSTUS FOR CONSUL


2006/11/1, Q. Caecilius Metellus <sapientissimi@...>:

>
> Q. Caecilius Metellus Fl. Germanico et Candidatis Consulatui salutem.
>
> [While I direct these questions specifically at Flavius Germanicus due
> to their being the direct result of statements he made, I do invite all
> the consular candidates to answer.]
>
> For you, Candidate, I have a few questions regarding your statement
> published Id. Oct. Before you answer, though, I would like you to
> disregard every office I currently hold and for which I am a candidate.
> I ask these questions specifically and only as a citizen. Also, please
> forgive me for taking your text out of order in asking questions about
> it. I find it more appropriate to present my questions in this order.
>
> You stated:
>
> > What changes would I make? I would require that our appointed
> > spiritual leaders, whether they be pontiffs, augurs, or flamines,
> > actually physically perform the rituals they should do.
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

M. Hortensia T. Iulio spd:
you have labored a great deal on behalf of Nova Roma, in your
province, Dacia, for the Ludi & Magna Mater. You certainly have
earned this by your work and diligence.
And G. Equitius Cato, whom I know has labored in many roles for
the res publica, climbed the cursus honorum, was a big part of our
coin project, went to the Conventus in Rome, and is indeed devoted
to Romanitas.
Both of you have earned the trust & votes of the plebs and
patricians!
Bonam Fortunam!
M. Hortensia Maior

>
> SALVE !
>
> Thank you very much for support. You and Pompeia were the first
> persons who explained me what MMP is. I still remember our

discussions

> about the Vermaseren's books and MM inscriptions.
>
> VALE BENE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > For praetores; T. Iulius Sabinus & after much thought C.

Equitius

> > Cato, sometime Cato is so hard-headed! But he is devoted to Nova
> > Roma.
>

M. Hortensia Fl. Vedio Spd;

Vedius: I am a

> jerk _who_gets_things_done_.

Maior: We have three excellent candidates: Faustus, Piscinus, and
Paulinus who seem able to make points & answer difficult questions
without name-calling on the ML. You called Consul Modianus - a liar,
me- obnoxious, & villified Piscinus. You represent a past culture of
Nova Roma that drove many cives away..


Vedius: Changing the Constitution

> to strip power from the CP is not only ahistorical

Maior: Pontiffs Astur, Modianus and Metellus, the last 2 classics
majors made sure to reform the Collegium Pontifium to republican use.
A. Apollonius Cordus, an Oxford classics graduate & now studying
the law, also advised on this reform & points out its historicity.

So your statement here makes absolutely no sense. You may point out
a Roman lex or an historical incident from the republic that
supports your point of view. M.Moravius Piscinus posted many quotes
from Livy to support the reform.

Vedius: I see a Nova Roma that's fun again. Where the Roman Gods
are properly

> honored, Roman culture is properly studied and embraced, >
>

Maior: returning and insulting people isn't fun. While the proposed
Constitutional reform which you oppose actually lets ALL cives
perform augery, assigning priests their duties are will ensure that
the gods are honored.

Finally C. Curius Saturninus has provided us with invaluable
Academia Thules where cives like myself can learn; Roman history,
the religio, rhetoric Latin, culture, Roman law. You don't even know
Latin or how to address people properly on the ML & you speak of
culture.

You asked me what I have done fair enough:

I was the 1st propraetrix of Provincia Hibernia, & arranged our
first meeting. I was the sacerdos of Magna Mater & wrote the
religious portion of her festival after much research. I also asked
a friend, a former EU commissioner for help in getting funding for
the MM project. I also, under M. Moravius Piscinus's guidance wrote
a ritual, sellisternia for Magna Mater that all cives can use as a
template for lectisternia.
I have contributed my money and was part of the original group of
the Coin project. I am learning Latin, this is my 3rd course at
Academia Thules, so I can speak with cives in Hispania, Gallia,
Brasilia, where I have many friends. I was tribune plebis, and am
plebian aedile. I also am the producer of "Vox Romana" podcast. Here
you may listen to it & see what we are doing in the real world:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/

I've had real world meetings in Hibernia,met with Scepticus a
visiting propraetor of Hispania in Hibernia, and we had a great
dinner togate, first meeting at my club, where I obtained
persmission to wear Roman dress, with Cato, Censor Marinus, and
others in New York City. I also called you up when I was visiting
New York City last March to get together. But you were too busy......
vale
M. Hortensia Maior

>

M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus SPD

Next Market Day Chat is coming soon!

Next Market Day chat is 3 Nov!

Read http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Chat for more info!

optime valete!

SALVE ET SALVETE !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

> I endorsed T. Iulius Sabinus the day he announced, and I cannot
> imagine a better candidate for the praetorship. Well, I'm a pretty
> good one, too...>>>

The aediles team from this year was and is a model of good
collaboration. The united aediles Cohorts had done a great job and
between me and Cato a great respect exists.
In my opinion, Cato is an example about how a person can participate
in different debates to move the things on. He is able to sustain
his opinions and, in the same time, is ready to recognize and to
respect the others point of views.
He is very directly, has an open mind and a great vision about the
Republic future.
I see in Cato one of my best friend.


VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Salvete bene Quirites omnes

Once more I wish to recommend both mia cara amica Iulia Caesar Cytheris
Aege and Tita Artoria Marcella for the offices of Aediles Curules.
Both are devout practitioners of the religio Romana with whom I have
worked and who have worked together as a team under our current Aedilis
Curulis Titus Julius Sabinus. They offer experience and continuity in
offices that oversee our annual ludi and the Magna Mater Project, as
well as the macellum.

Valete optime et vadete in pace Deorum
M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
<gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar omnibus sal
>
> For Curule Aedile I heartily commend Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege. Not
> only as a member of my familia but as a devoted member of her

province

> and a determined advocate for the Religio. She is a wonderful example
> of someone who always gives 100%. A splendid person!
>
> Because I trust her judgement and common sense I endorse Tita Artoria
> Marcella, who runs with her. Although I know little of her, I do know
> that Iulia would only run with someone who shared her values and
> determination.
>
> As a team they will do honour to the office of Curule Aedile, Nova
> Roma and the Religio
>

Salvete Omnes,

As Nova Roma Tribunalis member, I saw how Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
had done a great job. I consider him a noble citizen, dedicated one
for the Res Publica development and good interests.

Valete,
Arria Carina.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
<gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar omnibus sal.
>
> This is a man of conviction and determination, who will pursue a

bold

> set of policies designed to broaden and deepen Nova Roma's outreach
> efforts. Within the Res Publica he has demonstrated a willingness to
> protect constitutional rights and the Religio. This is an excellent
> balance. Paulinus is a genuine man, not driven by the lure of

titles.

> He is a tireless advocate for a fair and traditional res publica. He
> will make an excellent Consul.
>

> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Curio Saturnino optimo suo quiritibus optimis suis
> S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Here are candidates I support in these elections.
>
> <snip>
>
> For Praetor there is one candidate above else: Titus Iulius Sabinus.
> For Praetorship requires a lot of work and calm judgement and above
> all fair mind.
>
> ATS: Indeed it does, and Sabinus possesses these. So do I.
>
>
> All these and many other good qualifications Titus
> Iulius Sabinus has. Please give him your support! C. Equitius Cato is
> also a worthy candidate for the post. The third candidate, A. Tullia,
> I do not support, since her temperament, experience and values are
> not what I would like to see a curule magistrate to have.
>
> ATS: Saturnine, you have never met me, nor have you ever so much as
> spoken with me on the telephone. It¹s all too easy to see someone else
> through the mirror of one¹s own temperament, values, and what have you,
> especially when one has never met. What you don¹t know is that I have a calm
> and even temperament, even when arguing with someone, including certain
> hotheads of our mutual acquaintance via Yahoo. You may have seen me discuss
> matters with someone or another on those Yahoo lists, someone with whom I
> disagreed, but you never saw my face; you never knew that even in such
> situations I am very calm...as a praetor ought to be. There are a good many
> present and past magistrates in Nova Roma who are far more emotionally labile
> than I am, far more argumentative, and far less suited to the magistracies,
> curule and other, which they hold or have held.
>
> As far as experience is concerned, my first position in Nova Roma was that
> of consular accensa, a post to which I was appointed within a few months of
> becoming a citizen. It was a great honor, especially for a new citizen, to be
> appointed to such a post. Obviously someone thought that I was worthy to sit
> in the cohors of the most powerful magistrate in our Res Publica, and to help
> write the very laws which adorn the Tabularium. My first duty, for which I
> volunteered, was to translate the taxation edictum into Latin; I had also
> contributed to its wording, if memory serves. Yes, I helped write laws; yes,
> I provided my insights to the other fine citizens in that cohors. No one
> seems to have complained that I didn¹t have any experience or didn¹t know what
> a consul did or anything of the sort, so maybe you are wrong, as you are wrong
> about my temperament and my values.
>
> The next year, I was appointed scriba to a praetor, and proofread and
> corrected every existing law in the Tabularium. Needless to say, I became
> somewhat familiar with them, even though I did not memorize them. I was also
> scriba to the webmaster that year so that I could fulfill the legal
> requirements of the Tabularium project, and again, no one seems to have
> complained that I was doing anything wrong, or not doing my job, or anything
> of the kind...though I was also scriba to a censor at the time, and far from
> free of a good deal of work in that capacity. I was also teaching at the
> Academia then as now, picking up the remains of a class abandoned by their
> previous instructor a couple of years earlier and adding a good many other
> students, though most couldn¹t handle the pace and left. No one complained
> when two of my students got A¹s and the rest got B¹s in what is not an easy
> course, nor am I an easy marker. I wonder if there would have been complaints
> if they had all flunked...
>
> This year, I was elected as rogatrix, a censorial deputy, appointed again
> as censorial scriba (just to make sure...), praetorian scriba to both
> praetores, though one is unofficial, and scriba to curule aedile Sabinus, in
> which I have done ludi reports and made other comments and suggestions, etc.,
> as well as provided assistance with Latin. Oh, yes, I¹m now teaching TWO
> courses at the Academia Thules, which requires a great deal of time and
> effort, and I¹m still Latin interpreter, and as such, head of the decuria
> interpretum, I¹m the elected head of two sodalities, Musarum for the second
> consecutive year and the first year in Latinitas, which has a new charter and
> had no previous officers, though I was primary list moderator with Censor
> Marinus, appointed by the list owner. I have been curatrix sermonis at
> Musarum as well, and moderate maybe a dozen lists, including the ML.
>
> Now, what do praetores do, and what characteristics should they have?
> Well, for the most part, they moderate the ML, and they deal with the
> Tabularium. I seem to have had some familiarity with both, having assisted
> with writing the moderation edictum in Perusianus¹ cohors and having moderated
> the ML for two consecutive years, as well as having read, proofread, and
> corrected the entire then-existing Tabularium. Thus the praetores should have
> a calm and even temperament, as I do, whether or not you agree; they should be
> able to see more than one viewpoint, as I can, and they should be able to
> judge the propriety of messages and actions, for they may be called upon to
> conduct trials as well as determine the suitability of list messages. In such
> a position, one does not need someone who disappears for months or years on
> end, or who is so pigheaded that s/he cannot see the merits of another¹s case,
> who likely cannot be impartial in regard to petitiones actionis, or who has
> temper tantrums if thwarted or for any other reason (and I don¹t have this
> problem...not that you, or some others, will believe me).
>
> Concerning the other matter, that of values, what acquaintance do you have
> with my values? What is wrong in your world with honor, honesty, devotion to
> duty, loyalty, or anything else that I respect? Is dishonesty, cheating,
> lying, slacking off, outright laziness, or the like among things you cherish?
> I would doubt it, but if you criticize my values, you criticize personal honor
> and honesty, you criticize devotion to duty, you criticize love for this Res
> Publica. If I hate lying, cheating, theft, mugging, and murder, what is wrong
> with that? If I hate rape, sexual assault, pedophilia, and ephebophilia, what
> is wrong with that? If I disapprove of driving while intoxicated, underage
> drinking, and excessive drinking, what is wrong with that? My values seem
> pretty normal, except for one thing: I happen to care deeply for learning,
> and for the classics. Now that REALLY puts me on the fringe...except possibly
> here, and in a few other places, for my society, at least, values only that
> learning which leads to increases in the bottom line, of which learning in the
> classics is not even on the radar screen except to be an object of derision.
> There was a time when everyone had to know Latin in order to get anywhere, a
> time when admission to law school and medical school, and perhaps others,
> required Latin. I happen to remember this time. There was a time when
> students in Catholic schools had to take Latin for a year or two, if not more.
> I remember that time, too. Latin was required of me, but I had already learnt
> most of Latin I before I hit the Latin classroom. A Jesuit boys¹ high school
> in a nearby city required three or four years of Latin and two or three of
> Greek back then; now they can barely manage a pale imitation of proper Latin I
> and II. My own high school hasn¹t taught Latin worth the name in years.
> Maybe, just maybe, those values need some adjustment; call in the ethics
> chiropractor.
>
> If you elect someone to the praetura who hasn¹t done work in the
> magistracy s/he now holds/has held in the past, or who is so stubborn or
> pigheaded that s/he cannot see the both sides of an argument, you do the Res
> Publica a disservice, and yourselves as well. For that matter, if you elect
> someone to ANY magistracy who is likely to disappear, who is a hothead, who is
> morally corrupt, who cannot see the value of another¹s position, or who seeks
> power for its own sake, you are doing yourselves and the Res Publica a
> disservice. Never give power to those who seek it; never give money to those
> who seek it; never give anything to anyone whose desire for that thing is
> immoderate. That is not to say that any of our candidates for any position is
> corrupt, a thief, a liar, or the like, but watch for the character traits of
> those for whom you vote, quirites. What have the candidates done in the
> offices to which they were elected? Did they stick around even when not in
> office, or did they appear magically, like macroworld pols, at election time?
> What you want is intelligence, honesty, hard work, and a balanced approach,
> not temper tantrums, muleheadedness, disappearances, or laziness. As the
> Greeks said, to me:den esti khre:simon, Œthe saying ³nothing to excess² is
> useful.¹ (the colon designates a long vowel, here, eta).
>
> I shall pass over the matter of argumentum ad hominem, which is not only a
> logical fallacy, but also something one is supposed to avoid here for other
> reasons, for, as I was informed when I was a new citizen, it is not the custom
> here to assail a person¹s character, not even during elections. I have given
> you no cause to make such allegations about me; moreover, you are not my
> opponent in any race (though such mudslinging might come if you were), and
> there is no validity to anything on which you may base your characterization
> of me. I can laugh, and I can cry, but I am not an emotional wreck who cannot
> control my emotions, nor am I unfair, nor am I lazy. We Americans may not
> sign themselves with every title we hold, but I have plenty of experience
> here, and arrived with a great deal of knowledge, and a value system not
> unlike that of my colleagues.
>
> I shall also pass over the matter which occupied the ML in very frequent,
> heated, and prolonged discussions last year, that of a magisterial resignation
> of one of the tribunes days after he took the oath of office and for no
> apparent reason...but you, Saturnine, know of whom I speak, however painfully,
> as does everyone who was here at the time.
>
> <snip>
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Curius Saturninus
>
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@... <mailto:c.curius%40academiathules.org>
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751
>
> Vale, et valete.

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Salvete omnes!

Thank you very much for your endorsements. Your words represent for us more than this, especially for me. Gnaeus Caesar, pater familias, and Moravius Piscinus, my magister, are persons of great honor and my models here in Nova Roma. I was given the chance to work with many wonderful citizens in Iulius SabinusÂ’s Cohors and there I learned the true Roman values. If the Gods decide in favor of Marcella and me, we give our word that we are going to do what it takes in order to continue the projects that flourish within our organization due to previous great efforts.


Valete,

Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege


marcushoratius <mhoratius@...> wrote:
Salvete bene Quirites omnes

Once more I wish to recommend both mia cara amica Iulia Caesar Cytheris
Aege and Tita Artoria Marcella for the offices of Aediles Curules.
Both are devout practitioners of the religio Romana with whom I have
worked and who have worked together as a team under our current Aedilis
Curulis Titus Julius Sabinus. They offer experience and continuity in
offices that oversee our annual ludi and the Magna Mater Project, as
well as the macellum.

Valete optime et vadete in pace Deorum
M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
<gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:

>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar omnibus sal
>
> For Curule Aedile I heartily commend Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege. Not
> only as a member of my familia but as a devoted member of her

province

> and a determined advocate for the Religio. She is a wonderful example
> of someone who always gives 100%. A splendid person!
>
> Because I trust her judgement and common sense I endorse Tita Artoria
> Marcella, who runs with her. Although I know little of her, I do know
> that Iulia would only run with someone who shared her values and
> determination.
>
> As a team they will do honour to the office of Curule Aedile, Nova
> Roma and the Religio
>

Qui dedit beneficium taceat; narrat qui accepit. (L. Annaeus Seneca)


Iulia Iulia Caesaris Cytheris Aege
Provincial Sacerdos
Legatus Internis Rebus Provincia Dacia.




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Salve Arria Carina

Thank you for your kind words and statement of support.
I appreciate it very much.

I also want to thank you and the other citizens who sat on the
Tribunalis as it was our first such undertaking. We were all learning
our ways around the system and your willingness and that of the
others to listen to the evidence and to render an impartial verdict
clearly showed the enduring Roman virtues of Patientia, Iustitia,
Gravitas and Firmitas.

Again you have my thanks for your service.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Ariana<mailto:iulia_arria@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:49 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Endorsement: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus:


Salvete Omnes,

As Nova Roma Tribunalis member, I saw how Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
had done a great job. I consider him a noble citizen, dedicated one
for the Res Publica development and good interests.

Valete,
Arria Carina.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
<gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar omnibus sal.
>
> This is a man of conviction and determination, who will pursue a
bold
> set of policies designed to broaden and deepen Nova Roma's outreach
> efforts. Within the Res Publica he has demonstrated a willingness to
> protect constitutional rights and the Religio. This is an excellent
> balance. Paulinus is a genuine man, not driven by the lure of
titles.
> He is a tireless advocate for a fair and traditional res publica. He
> will make an excellent Consul.
>





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Salva sis Marca Hortensia

Not just play acting, or empty re-enacting, going through the motions
and speaking words in a gibberish sort of fashion without any thought
for or understanding of what you are doing. That is superstition. It
is a matter of approach. Cicero spoke on how Romans should approach
the Gods chastely and with piety, and explained further (De Legibus
II.x, 24-5), "that is, purity of mind, for everything is included by
that." Roman conceptions of chastity and piety are not the same as
Christian notions, and thus what he said, connecting it as he does
with a mental attitude, might be best translated as reverence.

In Jewish tradition, as best as I can understand, even if there is an
agnostic attitude towards a God, reverence is given for the tradition
of the family and towards one's ancestors, and although the words of
the seder rite might not be that of the family's common day language,
none the less they know its meaning and significance. That is not
superstition.

The religio Romana is not a monotheistic tradition. When I speak of
the Gods, I refer to various categories of deities that include the
ancestors as Maiores, Lares, and even as Di indigites. Personal
beliefs are individual. I know of Christians who remain faithful to
the traditional beliefs of their religion, yet accord those beliefs
with a reverent practice towards their Lares, Penates, and Vesta.
These I would call gentiles Romani as their practice in the religio
Romana centers on the cultus of the Lares, but they are practitioners
all the same. They are just not cultores Deorum. Others still view
the Di celesti as Gods in Nature, while still holding beliefs in a
higher God, or a higher God and Goddess. Stoicism, Platonism, and
Pythagoreanism had similar notions, which to me are more a matter of
philosophical speculation than a matter of belief. However they
might speculate on the nature of the Gods, they still hold belief in
and reverence towards the Gods, offering worship as cultores Deorum.

From another side, not related to the question perhaps, but related
to the practice of the religio Romana for some Nova Romans, and
because we are coming upon the season soon, over the years I have
often been asked by practitioners on how they should regard their
family's traditions during the winter holidays. Nearly all of
today's practitioners come from Christian or Jewish traditions, and
thus recall celebrating Christmas or Chanakah as children. Their
families still celebrate these holidays. And their Lares are
Christian or Jewish. Well, the religio Romana is not an exclusionary
tradition. If some of one's Lares happen to have been Christians,
then providing something for them during the holidays that might be
taken as Christian would in no way transgress the practice of the
religio Romana. Play Christmas songs for them, decorate a Christmas
tree if it brings you closer to your ancestors, and offer them Santa
Claus cookies. Or for Jewish Lares, keeping tradition for them by
lighting a menorah and performing the rites of Chanakah, offering
your Jewish Lares Chanakah gifts, would still IMHO be within the
practice of the religio Romana because you would be paying reverence
to your Lares.

There is great variety in the beliefs and practice within the religio
Romana. But practice of the religio Romana is done with belief and
reverence. There is no escaping this need in a sincere practice of
the religio Romana in order for it to be a religious practice. And
if these are not present, then the ritual motions one goes through
become superstition.

Vade in pace Deorum
M Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia M. Moravio Piscino spd;
> Not play acting but with reverance. Perhaps I have a better
> example to help others;
> I have since childhood attended many Passover celebrations. My
> entire extended family is not religious, but all would gather to
> celebrate & read with great gravity this seminal event freedom from
> Egyptian slavery (maybe mythical) in our Jewish past.
>
> The Romans would entirely respect such an attitude towards
> tradition. And of course there was the fact that over the centuries
> how many Jews used a very dead language, Hebrew, and ended the
Seder
> (meal) saying the impossible "Next year in Jerusalem!"
>
> Respect our past & the mos of our ancestors; if Israel can rise &
> Hebrew is an everyday language, I find it perfectly sensible for
the
> gods to be worshipped, the mos return and Latin to again rise to
> preeminance.
> bene valete in pacem deorum
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
> > And I shall add that practice without belief would amount to
> > superstition at best. How one believes in the Gods, what you may
> > believe of Their nature, is not so great a concern. As humans we
> are
> > limited in what we may know, and can only have opinions on the
> Gods
> > from our personal experiences. One can, in my opinion, develop
> more
> > awareness of the Gods through practice, but insincere and
> irreverent
> > practice without belief dishonors yourself before the Gods as you
> > dishonor the Gods Themselves.
> >
> > Valete et vadete in pace Deorum
> > M Moravius Piscinus
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
> > <sapientissimi@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Q. Caecilius Cn. Marino Quiritibusque sal.
> > >
> > > As I've said, I missed quite a few missives up until very
> > recently. I
> > > only have one comment to make here though, and I may very well
> have
> > > mis-worded myself in the past on this same issue.
> > >
> > > You stated, in response to Lucilla Merula:
> > >
> > > > Belief does not matter in the Religio. Only actions matter.
> > >
> > > In my official opinion, it is *not* the case that "belief does
> not
> > > matter" in the cultus Deorum. However, it certainly is the
case
> > that it
> > > is, perhaps very much so, a distant second to actions. But
> belief
> > > certainly has its place.
> > >
> >
>

M IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS SPD,

Here are the candidates I support whereas there's a choice to be made;

For Consul: Lucius Arminius Faustus

For Praetor: Titus Iulius Sabinus and C. Equitius Cato

For Curule Aedile: Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege and Titia Artoria Marcella

For Quaestor: Cn.Equitius Marinus

thanks

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est postridie Kalendas Novembris (ante diem IV Nones Novembris);
haec dies fastus aterque est.

"The leaders of the senate applauded the way in which the consul had
introduced the motion, but as the circumstances differed in different
cases they thought that each case ought to be decided upon its merits,
and with the view of facilitating discussion they requested the consul
to put the name of each place separately. Lanuvium received the full
citizenship and the restitution of her sacred things, with the proviso
that the temple and grove of Juno Sospita should belong in common to
the Roman people and the citizens living at Lanuvium. Aricium,
Nomentum, and Pedum obtained the same political rights as Lanuvium.
Tusculum retained the citizenship which it had had before, and the
responsibility for the part it took in the war was removed from the
State as a whole and fastened on a few individuals. The Veliternians,
who had been Roman citizens from old times, were in consequence of
their numerous revolts severely dealt with; their walls were thrown
down, their senate deported and ordered to live on the other side of
the Tiber; if any of them were caught on this side of the river, he
was to be fined 1000 ases, and the man who caught him was not to
release him from confinement till the money was paid. Colonists were
sent on to the land they had possessed, and their numbers made
Velitrae look as populous as formerly. Antium also was assigned to a
fresh body of colonists, but the Antiates were permitted to enrol
themselves as colonists if they chose; their warships were taken away,
and they were forbidden to possess any more; they were admitted to
citizenship. Tibur and Praeneste had their domains confiscated, not
owing to the part which they, in common with the rest of Latium, had
taken in the war, but because, jealous of the Roman power, they had
joined arms with the barbarous nation of the Gauls. The rest of the
Latin cities were deprived of the rights of intermarriage, free trade,
and common councils with each other. Capua, as a reward for the
refusal of its aristocracy to join the Latins, were allowed to enjoy
the private rights of Roman citizens, as were also Fundi and Formiae,
because they had always allowed a free passage through their
territory. It was decided that Cumae and Suessula should enjoy the
same rights as Capua. Some of the ships of Antium were taken into the
Roman docks, others were burnt and their beaks (rostra) were fastened
on the front of a raised gallery which was constructed at the end of
the Forum, and which from this circumstance was called the Rostra." -
Livy, History of Rome 8.14


ENTITIES OF THE DAY - THE KHALKOTAUROI

"He [Hephaistos] had also made him [Aeetes king of Kolkhis] Bulls with
feet of bronze and bronze mouths from which the breath came out in
flame, blazing and terrible. And he had forged a plough of indurated
steel, all in one piece. All as a thank-offering to Helios, who had
taken him up in his chariot when he sank exhausted on the battlefield
of Phlegra." - Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 3.221

"[Jason] asked for the fleece. Aeetes promised to give it to him, if
Jason by himself could yoke his bronze-hooved Bulls, two immense wild
beasts which Hephaistos had given him, with hooves of bronze and fire
shooting from their mouths. Aeetes ordered him to yoke them and sow
some drakon-teeth which he had received from Athene ... As Jason
pondered the problem of yoking the Bulls, Medeia fell in love with
him. She was a daughter of Aeetes ... and a sroceress. In fear that
Jason might be killed by the Bulls, unknown to her father she offered
to work with him in yoking them and getting the fleece, if he would
swear to marry her and take her back to Hellas with him. He swore, and
she gave him a drug, which, before yoking the Bulls, he was to rub on
his shield, spear, and body. So anointed, she said, he would be
invulnerable to both fire and iron for one whole day ... Jason rubbed
on the drug, and went to the grove of the temple in search of the
Bulls, which he yoked despite their attack of fire. Next, he sowed the
drakon-teeth, and armed men did rise up from the earth." -
Apollodorus, The Library 1.127

"He [Aeetes] also threw a wall about the precinct [where the Golden
Fleece was kept] and stationed there many guardians, these being men
of the Tauric Chersonese, and it is because of these guards that the
Greeks invented monstrous myths. For instance, the report was spread
abroad that there were fire-breathing Tauroi round about the precinct
and that a sleepless Drakon guarded the fleece, the identity of the
names having led to the transfer from the men who were Taurians to the
cattle because of their strength and the cruelty shown in the murder
of strangers having been made into the myth of the bulls breathing
fire" - Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 4.47.1-6

The khalkotauroi were a pair of fire-breathing bull-shaped Automatones
forged out bronze by the divine smith Hephaistos as a gift for Aeetes
king of Kolkhis. When Jason and the Argonauts came to Kolkhis in
search of the Golden Fleece, Aeetes demanded the hero yoke the bulls
and plow a field with dragon's teeth before he would hand over the
fleece. Jason did.


Valete bene!

Cato

SOURCES

Livy, Apollodorus, Apollodorus Rhodius, Diodorus Siculus

SALVETE !

These are sad days when our best citizens are needed to describe in
this manner their contribution for Res Publica.
I'm sure,Tullia Scholastica had done all what she presented at an
excellent level.
From my part, as Curule Aedile, I confirm.

She wrote:
"As the Greeks said, to me:den esti khre:simon, Œthe saying ³nothing
to excess² is useful."

This is the sum of the humanity wisdom. To succeed in life, in
career, in business - in fact in all - this is the answer.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
<fororom@...> wrote:

> > As far as experience is concerned, my first position in Nova

Roma was that of consular accensa, a post to which I was appointed
within a few months of becoming a citizen. It was a great honor,
especially for a new citizen, to be appointed to such a post.
Obviously someone thought that I was worthy to sit in the cohors of
the most powerful magistrate in our Res Publica, and to help write
the very laws which adorn the Tabularium. My first duty, for which I
volunteered, was to translate the taxation edictum into Latin; I had
also contributed to its wording, if memory serves. Yes, I helped
write laws; yes, I provided my insights to the other fine citizens
in that cohors. No one seems to have complained that I didn¹t have
any experience or didn¹t know what a consul did or anything of the
sort, so maybe you are wrong, as you are wrong about my temperament
and my values.

> >
> >The next year, I was appointed scriba to a praetor, and proofread

and corrected every existing law in the Tabularium. Needless to
say, I became somewhat familiar with them, even though I did not
memorize them. I was also scriba to the webmaster that year so that
I could fulfill the legal requirements of the Tabularium project,
and again, no one seems to have complained that I was doing anything
wrong, or not doing my job, or anything of the kind...though I was
also scriba to a censor at the time, and far from free of a good
deal of work in that capacity. I was also teaching at the Academia
then as now, picking up the remains of a class abandoned by their
previous instructor a couple of years earlier and adding a good many
other students, though most couldn¹t handle the pace and left. No
one complained when two of my students got A¹s and the rest got B¹s
in what is not an easy course, nor am I an easy marker. I wonder if
there would have been complaints if they had all flunked...

> >
> >This year, I was elected as rogatrix, a censorial deputy,

appointed again as censorial scriba (just to make sure...),
praetorian scriba to both praetores, though one is unofficial, and
scriba to curule aedile Sabinus, in which I have done ludi reports
and made other comments and suggestions, etc., as well as provided
assistance with Latin. Oh, yes, I¹m now teaching TWO courses at the
Academia Thules, which requires a great deal of time and effort, and
I¹m still Latin interpreter, and as such, head of the decuria
interpretum, I¹m the elected head of two sodalities, Musarum for the
second consecutive year and the first year in Latinitas, which has a
new charter and had no previous officers, though I was primary list
moderator with Censor Marinus, appointed by the list owner. I have
been curatrix sermonis at Musarum as well, and moderate maybe a
dozen lists, including the ML.
Now, what do praetores do, and what characteristics should they have?
Well, for the most part, they moderate the ML, and they deal with
the Tabularium. I seem to have had some familiarity with both,
having assisted with writing the moderation edictum in Perusianus¹
cohors and having moderated the ML for two consecutive years, as
well as having read, proofread, and corrected the entire then-
existing Tabularium. Thus the praetores should have a calm and even
temperament, as I do, whether or not you agree; they should be able
to see more than one viewpoint, as I can, and they should be able to
judge the propriety of messages and actions, for they may be called
upon to conduct trials as well as determine the suitability of list
messages. In such a position, one does not need someone who
disappears for months or years on end, or who is so pigheaded that
s/he cannot see the merits of another¹s case, who likely cannot be
impartial in regard to petitiones actionis, or who has temper
tantrums if thwarted or for any other reason (and I don¹t have this
problem...not that you, or some others, will believe me).
Concerning the other matter, that of values, what acquaintance do
you have with my values? What is wrong in your world with honor,
honesty, devotion to duty, loyalty, or anything else that I
respect? Is dishonesty, cheating,lying, slacking off, outright
laziness, or the like among things you cherish? I would doubt it,
but if you criticize my values, you criticize personal honor and
honesty, you criticize devotion to duty, you criticize love for this
Res Publica. If I hate lying, cheating, theft, mugging, and murder,
what is wrong with that? If I hate rape, sexual assault,
pedophilia, and ephebophilia, what is wrong with that? If I
disapprove of driving while intoxicated, underage drinking, and
excessive drinking, what is wrong with that? My values seem pretty
normal, except for one thing: I happen to care deeply for learning,
and for the classics. Now that REALLY puts me on the
fringe...except possibly here, and in a few other places, for my
society, at least, values only that learning which leads to
increases in the bottom line, of which learning in the classics is
not even on the radar screen except to be an object of derision.
There was a time when everyone had to know Latin in order to get
anywhere, a time when admission to law school and medical school,
and perhaps others, required Latin. I happen to remember this
time. There was a time when students in Catholic schools had to
take Latin for a year or two, if not more.
I remember that time, too. Latin was required of me, but I had
already learnt most of Latin I before I hit the Latin classroom. A
Jesuit boys¹ high school in a nearby city required three or four
years of Latin and two or three of Greek back then; now they can
barely manage a pale imitation of proper Latin I and II. My own
high school hasn¹t taught Latin worth the name in years.
Maybe, just maybe, those values need some adjustment; call in the
ethics chiropractor.
If you elect someone to the praetura who hasn¹t done work in the
magistracy s/he now holds/has held in the past, or who is so
stubborn or pigheaded that s/he cannot see the both sides of an
argument, you do the Res Publica a disservice, and yourselves as
well. For that matter, if you elect someone to ANY magistracy who
is likely to disappear, who is a hothead, who is morally corrupt,
who cannot see the value of another¹s position, or who seeks power
for its own sake, you are doing yourselves and the Res Publica a
disservice. Never give power to those who seek it; never give money
to those who seek it; never give anything to anyone whose desire for
that thing is immoderate. That is not to say that any of our
candidates for any position is corrupt, a thief, a liar, or the
like, but watch for the character traits of those for whom you vote,
quirites. What have the candidates done in the offices to which
they were elected? Did they stick around even when not in office,
or did they appear magically, like macroworld pols, at election time?
What you want is intelligence, honesty, hard work, and a balanced
approach, not temper tantrums, muleheadedness, disappearances, or
laziness. As the Greeks said, to me:den esti khre:simon, ÂŒthe
saying ³nothing to excess² is useful.¹ (the colon designates a long
vowel, here, eta).
I shall pass over the matter of argumentum ad hominem, which is not
only a logical fallacy, but also something one is supposed to avoid
here for other reasons, for, as I was informed when I was a new
citizen, it is not the custom here to assail a person¹s character,
not even during elections. I have given you no cause to make such
allegations about me; moreover, you are not my opponent in any race
(though such mudslinging might come if you were), and there is no
validity to anything on which you may base your characterization
of me. I can laugh, and I can cry, but I am not an emotional wreck
who cannot control my emotions, nor am I unfair, nor am I lazy. We
Americans may not sign themselves with every title we hold, but I
have plenty of experience here, and arrived with a great deal of
knowledge, and a value system not unlike that of my colleagues.

Salve bene Pontifex Quinte Caecili Metelle

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
<sapientissimi@...> wrote:

>
> [While I direct these questions specifically at Flavius Germanicus

due

> to their being the direct result of statements he made, I do invite

all

> the consular candidates to answer.]
>

<snipped>

>

Vedius scripsit:

> > What changes would I make? I would require that our appointed
> > spiritual leaders, whether they be pontiffs, augurs, or flamines,
> > actually physically perform the rituals they should do.
>
>

Scripsisti:

> First, how would you go about making this requirement? In answering
> this, I would be particularly interested in the specific processes

you

> intend to follow, and perhaps some examples of what tools you would

use

> (i.e., if you intend to pass a lex, then not perhaps a full legal

text,

> but perhaps some specific concepts).
>

First, it is a rather disingenuous presumption to pose that our
sacerdotes are not performing their rites. I know some of our
sacerdotes and a number of our other cultores Deorum as well.
Suggesting that they do not "actually physically perform" a practice
of the religio Romana is grossly misleading.

Administration of our sacerdotes in their sacral duties is the
concern of the Collegium Pontificum. If a sacerdos is no longer
performing his or her duties, then the Collegium Pontificum is the
authority to determine what action should be taken. I would consider
it an interference into the administrative authority of the Collegium
Pontificum for a Consul to either take some direct action on his own
or through proposing some lex before a comitia. In some things I
suppose it is possible that a sacerdos might violate Nova Roma law
that would impact on the religio Romana in Nova Roma or on Nova Roma
itself. Under some circumstance, with the advice of the Senate, the
Consul might then bring charges against the sacerdos before a
praetorial tribunal. Otherwise a Consul should bring a matter of
concern before the Collegium Pontificum. I really do not think it is
within the sphere of the authority of a Consul to deal directly with
this matter of sacerdotes not performing their sacral obligations.
That is for the Collegium Pontificum to deal with. You asked how
this should be enforced, and how a Consul might look to its
enforcement. The answer is for the Consul to bring a claim before the
Collegium Pontificum against a sacerdos that he feels is not
performing his or her obligations correctly.

The real problem for us IMHO, and where a Consul can assist, is
providing more opportunities for our sacerdotes to perform their
rites in public with other Nova Romans. There is a need for more RL
activities in Nova Roma. There is an anxiousness among cultores
Deorum to woship in communion with fellow cultores Deorum. As Consul
I would like to work more closely with our Proconsules and
Propraetores to ensure that more opportunities are made available for
our cultores Deorum to worship together. This is looking at the
question from the other side, and where I think we first need to
address it. It is not a matter of placing a sacerdos at some event
where he or she might perform rites before an audience. A sacerdos
will perform rites anyway, and it would be nice if others would join
him or her as this is done. But the other side is to provide someone
to serve in place of a sacerdos at any gathering of our Citizens.
Our sacerdotes and flamines can assist such provincial sacerdotes,
and it really comes down to our Proconsules and Propraetores ensuring
that activities take place in their provinciae and that individuals
in their respective provinciae serve to lead cultus at these events.

I think that one thing a Consul could do is use his office to better
coordinate our sacerdotes from diverse provinciae in assisting in
each provincia. Working with the Collegium Pontificum and with the
individual sacerdotes, the office of the Consul could disseminate
material to each Proconsul and Propraetor on what rites were to be
performed each month in their respective provincia. There is perhaps
a misperception that the rites to be performed for a particular deity
is to be left to one sacerdos, wherever he or she may be in the
world. Obviously the sacerdos cannot be in every provincia, and if
left to only one person not all of our cultores Deorum would be given
an opportunity to worship together with others. Where possible a
flamen or sacerdos may join together with other Citizens in their
location. But I think we also need to look beyond that and look to
provide more religious activity for all of our Citizens, and this can
only be done at a provincial level. Where a Consul has some
administrative responsibilities related to the provinciae, there he
can coordinate and assist in creating opportunities for the public
practice of the religio Romana. It is not a matter of passing any
leges, but rather of our Proconsules and Propraetores issuing
edicta. A Consul might issue edicta, too, to encourage and stimulate
more activities where cultus can be practiced, and use his office to
assist and support such religious activities at provincial events.
But the idea that a Consul should have any direct authority over our
sacerdotes in the performance of their sacral obligations I think is
simply wrong.

Vale et vade in pace Deorum
M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus

>>

SALVE ET SALVETE !

Thank you very much for support, my friend. My only wish is to meet you again.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Marcus Iulius Perusianus <peraznanie@...> wrote:
M IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS SPD,

Here are the candidates I support whereas there's a choice to be made;

For Consul: Lucius Arminius Faustus

For Praetor: Titus Iulius Sabinus and C. Equitius Cato

For Curule Aedile: Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege and Titia Artoria Marcella

For Quaestor: Cn.Equitius Marinus

thanks








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Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus omnibus spd.


My favourite candidates are Aula Tullia Scholastica and Titus Iulius Sabinus.
Both are dedicated, as well as Gaius Equitius Cato is commited.

But I have the honor to know both not only from common work.
A second point worth to say is the fact in this way we have both
sides of the sea present and therefore a better and more flexible handling.

I like Scholastica's way to handle upcomming matters and she is polite
and patient in her work but also direct and clear.

Titus Iulius Sabinus is also a good man and tries to help where he can.
We both had exchanged several e-mails and chatted also about our
private lifes.

Gaius Equitius Cato would be a good Praetor too but I have to make a choice
and Scholastica and Sabinus I know better.

In my opinion it is a very good vote to have each candidate from a different
continent.


Bene valete

M.Flavius Philippus Conservatus
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I. According to the Official Calendar of the Nova Roman festivals (at
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/calendar/cal?cmd=showmonth&month=11&year=2006),
the Ludi Plebeii will be celebrated from November 4-17, 2006.

II. The Calendar of the Ludi Plebeii is as follows:

A. Nov 4:
i. Opening of the Ludi

B. 5-12 Nov:
i. Ludi Scaenici--theatrical & historical readings

C. 13 November: Epulumn Iovis

D. 14 Nov:
i. Pompa: parade of the Capitoline Statues to the Circus

E. 15 Nov:
i. Ludi Circenses Quarter Races

F. 16 Nov:
i. Ludi Circenses Semifinal Races

G. 17 Nov:
i. Ludi Circenses Semifinal Races

III. This schedule can be found at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/aedilisplebis_ecf/index_cerialia.html. A
detailed program, rules and modalities of each of these events will be
published on the NR main list before the beginning of the Ludi Plebeii

4. The Ludi Plebeii are organized by the Officina Aedilis Julillae
Semproniae Magnae

5. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given A.D. IV Nonas Nov. MMDCCLIX C. Buteone Po. Minucia cos.

Julilla Sempronia Magna
Aedilis Plebis

F. Galerius Aurelianus Flamen Cerialis et Propraetor Austrorientalis
S.P.D.

I support the following candidates for office:

For Censor, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, because of his long support
of Nova Roma and his overall display of Auctoritas, Firmitas,
Severitas and Romanitas. I hope that he can balance these virtues
with those of Comitas and Clementia.

For Consul, my wholehearted support goes to Tiberius Galerius
Paulinus as the best person for this office in the whole of Nova
Roma. I do not believe that the Senate and People of Nova Roma
could do better than Paulinus.
Of the other candidates, I am torn between Lucius Arminius Faustus
and Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus. Both men display the
private virtues in balanced proportion and both have contributed to
Nova Roma and a display a general appreciation of Romanitas. Our
organization would be fortunate to have either of these men as
Consul. I will still be thinking about which one to vote for as I
go to the Cista.

For Praetores, I confidently endorse Titus Iulius Sabinus and Gaius
Equitius Cato.

For Curule Aediles, Tita Artoria Marcella and Iulia Caesar Cytheris
Aege. As these two are running in concordance with each other and
have had more than enough preparatory experience, Nova Roma will be
well-served by their election to the ivory chairs.

For Quaestores, I cannot say enough good things about Quintus
Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus. This young man has a very
bright future in Nova Roma and I fully expect him to rise to the
highest level of leadership. I also support without hesitation,
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.

Since we are short candidates for several races, I know that those
running for quaestores, tribunes, and other offices should do the
best they are capable of and fulfill their duties with alacrity.

Vadite in pace Cereris.

SALVE ET SALVETE !

Thank you for your support. I'm honored.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, philipp.hanenberg@... wrote:
>
>
> Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus omnibus spd.
>
>
> My favourite candidates are Aula Tullia Scholastica and Titus
Iulius Sabinus.
> Both are dedicated, as well as Gaius Equitius Cato is commited.
>
> But I have the honor to know both not only from common work.
> A second point worth to say is the fact in this way we have both
> sides of the sea present and therefore a better and more flexible
handling.
>
> I like Scholastica's way to handle upcomming matters and she is
polite
> and patient in her work but also direct and clear.
>
> Titus Iulius Sabinus is also a good man and tries to help where he
can.
> We both had exchanged several e-mails and chatted also about our
> private lifes.
>
> Gaius Equitius Cato would be a good Praetor too but I have to make
a choice
> and Scholastica and Sabinus I know better.
>
> In my opinion it is a very good vote to have each candidate from a
different
> continent.
>
>
> Bene valete
>
> M.Flavius Philippus Conservatus
>
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SALVE ET SALVETE !

Thank you for support. I appreciate our collaboration, including
Galerius Paulinus, at Ludi Apollinaris.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...>
wrote:

> For Praetores, I confidently endorse Titus Iulius Sabinus and Gaius
> Equitius Cato.>>>

Correction

> III. This schedule can be found at:
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/aedilisplebis_ecf/index_cerialia.html. A
> detailed program, rules and modalities of each of these events will be
> published on the NR main list before the beginning of the Ludi Plebeii

Whoops, I forgot to change that link. Consult
http://www.insulaumbra.com/ludiplebeii/ludi_plebeii/ludi_ple_circenses.html

This is the schedule from last year's Ludi, so note that the race dates
are 15-17 November. However, the rules and subscription information shall
remain the same.

Please excuse the confusion.

--
Julilla Sempronia Magna,
Aedilis Plebis

Cato M.Flavio Philippo Conservato sal.

Flavius Philippus, you wrote:

"In my opinion it is a very good vote to have each candidate from a
different continent."

I thank you for your kind words about me (even though you didn't
endorse me) but I think some clarification is necessary: I live in
NYC, which is in the same state as Tullia Scholastica. One of the
ideas upon which Iulius Sabinus and I declared our collegial candidacy
for Curule Aedile was, in fact, that between us we represented both
the Old World and the New World :-)

Vale bene,

Cato

Salvete omnes!

As Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege has already said, we thank everyone who has given us their endorsement. We are greatly honored by each of your decisions, and promise to live up to, and hopefully exceed, your expectations.

Most of you do not know me, except perhaps by my contributions to the ludi this year. That will change soon, I hope. Although some of you might then long for the good old days when Artoria Marcella was shy and quiet! In person, I am not remotely shy, and not always quiet. What I am, who I am, is someone who is devoted to the Gods of Roma antiqua and eager to serve Nova Roma in whatever way I can. It that, Iulia Cytheris and I are a matched pair.

Valete bene,
Artoria Marcella

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Salvete Quirites!

I stand before You to endorse two very competent and enthusiastic
citizens for the position as Consuls.

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus has a lot of qualifications. One
is that he as Religio Praeceptor (teacher) at the Academia Thules
lead a course that has got very good reviews by its students which
lead to the rather unique fact that the Senate publicly thanked
Piscinus for his performance. As the "Scriba Censoris Census Primus"
he has got the last Census through all bottlenecks very skillfully
and then he authored an analyze that included thoughts about what
Nova Roma really needs to go further. He has been a hard-working
Tribune this year and he is a very kind and friendly person who is
very active both at the Main list and the Pontificum list in
explaining things and promoting creative discussions. He has already
proven his leadership skills and I am convinced that he will be able
to lead the Res Publica to new heights.

Lucius Arminius Faustus has been the Propraetor for Brasilia, a
Quaestor, a Plebeian Aedile, a Tribune and a Praetor. He has applied
to become a sacerdos and he is a very devote follower of the Religio
Romana. As with the Religio, he is passionate about the Res Publica
and has a deep knowledge in Roman history and poesy. Roman law
interest him deeply, as do most things Roman. His way of writing is
full of passion and his visions are far reaching. Portuguese is his
native language and with that he will be able to communicate more or
less easily with the whole of South America, Portugal and Spain,
probably also with Spanish and Portuguese speaking citizens in other
part of the world. He would be the first Consul from Latin America
and that would be big step forward to broaden the base of Nova Roma.

I see these two as a very strong pair of Consuls and give them both
my full support.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senator, Censorius et Consularis
Accensus GFBM
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
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Civis Romanus sum
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

SALVETE !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:
One of the ideas upon which Iulius Sabinus and I declared our
collegial candidacy for Curule Aedile was, in fact, that between us
we represented both the Old World and the New World :-)>>>

Our collegial intention it was to reinforce the bridge between the
both Worlds. This it was a success. Our activity demonstrated that.
The aediles team from this year is a model of friendship and
collaboration.
We have the same vision about this point. For that the aediles
Cohorts were named the "United Aediles Cohorts ".
Is not an ocean away between us. So long as we have the same roman
heart, we have the same values, in concordance with the roman
virtues, we are one and the same: Romans.
I salute my brothers and my sisters from all around the world.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

SALVETE !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tita Artoria Marcella"
<icehunter@...> wrote:

> Most of you do not know me, except perhaps by my contributions to

the ludi this year.>>>

And not only! I still remember the friendly fight with Marcella at
Certamen Historicum organized by Constantinus Fuscus at Ludi Plebei,
one year ago.( My Gods...one year ! )
She wins! And I said in that moment: Great, another roman was born.
Her well done job in my Cohorts demonstrated.

That will change soon, I hope. Although some of you might then long
for the good old days when Artoria Marcella was shy and quiet! >>>

I really believe that. I know from our nice private messages.

In person, I am not remotely shy, and not always quiet. What I am,
who I am, is someone who is devoted to the Gods of Roma antiqua and
eager to serve Nova Roma in whatever way I can.>>>

I confirm.

It that, Iulia Cytheris and I are a matched pair. >>>

And I want to add: a matched pair where your maturity and wisdom is
essential.
Quirites, Artoria Marcella is a natural leader and she will put the
things in the right place.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Salvete omnes,

I am overwhelmed and ashamed. I have not spoken, until now, of a
distinguished Nova Roman that I specially esteem and with whom I have a
gratitude debt, for his support, help and friendship: Gnaeus Equitius
Marinus Censor. He has been doing a superb job as Censor and has devoted
an important part of his life to our Res publica. He will be the finest
Quaestor possible.

I also endorse Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, another outstanding citizen,
for Censor. For Consules, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus and Lucius Arminius
Faustus.

For Curule Aediles, Tita Artoria Marcella and Iulia Caesaris Cytheris
Aege, wonderful and dedicated women of great capabilities and talents.

For Custos, Pompeia Minucia Strabo has my vote and my admiration. Let's
elect her!

For Tribunus Plebis, besides my best friend and devoted citizen, Marcus
Curiatius Complutensis, I also endorse Gaius Arminius Reccanellus, the
dynamic and enthusiastic Propraetor of Provincia Brasilia, a fine
representative of Latin America, full of energy and good ideas.

I canÂ’t understand why people like C. Curius Saturninus, Propraetor
Provinciae Thules , can be spreading such vicious attacks against one of
our best citizens and more devoted Nova Romans, my amica dilectissima
Aula Tullia Scholastica. As somebody already wrote, these are sad times
when the best among us, must defend themselves against calumnies and lies
that do not have more base than the prejudices. Scholastica would be the
finest Praetor, so I invite all my fellow citizens to give her their
votes.

M•IVL•SEVERVS

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ROGATOR
INTERPRETER
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Salvete Romans

All of the candidates for consul have plans on how to increase and
better the structure of Nova Roma, centrally and locally, but I want
to talk to you of growth.

This must be a year of Nova Roma reaching out to the communities
outside, building on the existing contacts and networks of our
citizens. If they will not come to us, we must go out to them.
Sitting here, just waiting for new citizens to open the door
and peer in is no longer adequate or acceptable as a plan.

Through careful targeting of our limited resources, mentoring and
developing our new citizens to assist in this work within their
circles of influence, we can develop a strong and lasting recruitment
strategy. This can be linked to and support local events amongst
existing citizens.

In Mediatlantica Province were I have served as Praetor since June
I have instituted a program of appointing legates not on a (US)
state level but on a city level to bring Nova Roma back to her roots.
A city focus is something that the Romans would have understood and
I believe we can use it to our advantage. As Consul, I will enlist
the service Of our provincial governors to develop a plan on reducing
the size our Current provinces. Once developed it will be presented
to the Senate for review, revision, refinement and hopefully
adoption.

As you may remember from my Consular announcement, I would like each
Nova Roman community to prepare to celebrate April 21, 2760 a.v.c.
In style and in cooperation with each other.

As I stated Nova Romans should work toward holding "A Roman Movie
Festival" (or similar event). We rent the most appropriate venue for
the different locals, show Roman themed movies, and hold a Roman
dinner party or some such. In addition, Nova Roman Communities should
look to local libraries to host, starting as soon as possible, a
Roman book club or Roman Mystery reading group.

Each of these ideas can be adapted for local needs and resources but
the need to get out from behind the computer is paramount.

We are fortunate to live in a time of increased interest in Rome and
the ancient world. There are at least half a dozen authors writing
good Roman mysteries. We should arrange for public appearances of
some of these authors as a tie in to Nova Roman activities.
We should use this interest in Roma to our advantage.

We should establish Nova Roma as a repository for information on and
events of a "Roman" nature, including Pagan festivals, reenacting,
Roman Days like events. We should maintain a calendar of events as
An aspect of our Wiki and website.

We also need to put the knowledge of our Sodalitates to work.
The Sodalitas Coquorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum has been meeting for a
number of years and we need to work with them to produce a Nova Roma
cookbook. A macro world product for people in the macro world.

We need to tap the knowledge of the Sodalitas Militarium to establish
an international competition for reenacting groups. An Olympic like
event to display the depth of knowledge and scholarship in the Roman
re-enacting community.

We should work with the Sodalitas Musarum to identify those literary
and scholarly works that are out of print and whose copyright has
expired so we can print both books and other publications with a Nova
Roma imprint.

We should also support the filming of the rites of the Religio to be
used as instruction for members of the Religio . A section of the
Wiki (if possible ) and the website should hold these filmed rites.
In order to support this effort

I will ask the Senate to purchase a number of handheld cameras for
use by our Pontiffs in furtherance of their work.

We should work with the Sodalitas Latinitatis to establish a Latin
competition open to any Latin student, in any county, in the world
that would display our commitment to the reestablishment of Latin as
a constituent part of a well rounded education.

In order to have the tools necessary to recreate as much of Rome as
possible we should subscribe to as many online scholarly journals,
like the Journal of Roman Studies (about $200-$400) that we can
afford.

These institutional subscriptions would allow our members to read and
utilize the most recent scholarship on Rome as we work toward making
Nova Roma more Roman.

The "meet and greet" of new citizens would be best served not on the
main list but at these convivial and friendly local events. A local
Nova Roma community could become a sponsor of a local 5K race
(or like event) that is engaged in raising funds for local charities.
Set up a booth at local agriculture fairs and the like.

We also need to utilize our resources. We need to use the land in
Texas and if we can we need more land that is nearer to where Nova
Romans live. If we do, many types of projects become possible,
building of Temples, Roman summer camp Roman day events and more.

Some may say that this is beyond us or this is what we have tried to
do all along. I would reply that we have tried to do this in
fragmented ways, valuable and commendable ways with varying degrees
of success, but what is needed is a comprehensive strategy guided by
the advice and wisdom of the Senate, driven by the Consuls,
magistrates, directed by the provincial governors and fully
supported by the people.

I propose that we set targets for an increase in our population.
These must be realistic and based on our existing abilities and
available resources. I do not suggest just one target but at least
two. We should challenge ourselves at the levels of province and
centre and aim to achieve a set net percentage increase in citizens
within one year.

Great achievements happen, when targets and goals are set and when
they are not it is because of trusting to luck. We should aim to
succeed in meeting these targets, but also recognize that even if we
do not, we grow stronger and more united by the journey. In this
effort, important and vital as it is, to see the growth of local
communities we must not forget that many new citizens will come to us
through the internet.

The centre too can play an important role and the wonderful work that
has been done to improve the visual display, the content and access
to the website, through the Wiki is of huge importance in this task.

The first appearance of Nova Roma has been immeasurably enhanced by
this work. The Vox Romana broadcasts are a great initiative, linking
local communities but also to mentoring new citizens through their
impressive content.

If elected as Consul I will expend all of my efforts in this great
endeavor.

We need to plan and plan well, but that planning has to have a start
and end date. Our purpose must not be to build the finest and
greatest villa possible, then sit back, and assume people
will want to join us. Rome started as a cluster of huts on seven
hills. We have progressed past that point in Nova Roma, but we cannot
build a city of marble yet. We need to be proud of what we have done,
plan to go out into our communities as individuals, families and
provinces and find our new citizens.

Then we have to stop planning and actually do it. It will not be
easy. There will be hurdles but can over come them.

What is important is finding new citizens. This must not detract from
the work of local events but can compliment and improve those events.
The "welcome wagon" must roll out of the gates of Nova Roma in order
to find people willing to do no more than climb aboard, take a ride
back to our res publica, and look. The tag line on the recruiting
posters that I have designed is

"Emigrate to the adventure of a life time"

Nova RomaÂ…
Come for a visitÂ….

Stay for a lifetime.

Some will stay, some will go, but we have the infrastructure here
already to help and guide them. We can meet our targets if we plan,
have the will and actually do it.

This year a city is built of tufa and brick. Next year a city built
of marble! That must be our ultimate goal and this is one method to
help build
it.

If you share this vision with me then lend me not just your ears, but
your vote.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Praetor et Senator
Mea gloria fideles

SALVE IVLI SEVERE !

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL•SEVERVS
<marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:

> I can't understand why people like C. Curius Saturninus, Propraetor
> Provinciae Thules , can be spreading such vicious attacks against

one of our best citizens and more devoted Nova Romans, my amica
dilectissima Aula Tullia Scholastica. As somebody already wrote,
these are sad times when the best among us, must defend themselves
against calumnies and lies >>>

No, I wrote: "These are sad days when our best citizens are needed
to describe in this manner their contribution for Res Publica"
I take in consideration our Magistra job in my Cohort.
Her relation with other NR citizens is their private job. There I
don't comment and I don't add words because I don't know the facts.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

Salve!

On a day when endorsements have been coming out faster than I can read them, I decided that since I have had some down time at work I thought I would read through the statements of those that are running for Consul of our Republic and see if I can remove all of the negative and inflammatory comments that have come from others for and against each of them, to better make up my mind on who I think would be best suited for the job based on their own words and what I perceive to be their vision for the Republic.

Therefore I support two people that I believe have a similar vision for the Republic�s future, and both whole heartedly have my support.

They are:

The Honorable Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
The Honorable Flavius Vedius Germanicus.

They are in no particular order. I liked the vision of the future that both have shown. I strongly suggest my fellow citizens to vote for these two honorable leaders of our Republic.

May the Gods show us all the way!
Marcus Traianus Valerisu



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Cn. Iulius Ti. Galerio sal

May I congratulate you on an excellent plan. Growth is indeed the
primary objective and establishing how to achieve and sustain it is
the key to our suvival and health as a res publica.

Setting targets is an excellent idea as it will give a concrete
measure of success and a yardstick to judge which areas need
assistance.

I also like the fact that your strategy aims to draw upon exisiting
projects and work in progress and knit them together as part of a
wider view. Simple yet excellent.

This is exactly the sort of practical consulship we need. We can plan
ourselves to death, but equally setting off without a plan is folly.
This is nice balance between the two extremes.

I really look forward to seeing you be given the opportunity to put
this plan into action, as Consul next year.

---------------------------------
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete Romans
>
> All of the candidates for consul have plans on how to increase and
> better the structure of Nova Roma, centrally and locally, but I

want

> to talk to you of growth.
>

SALVETE QUIRITES!

Our candidates are well-known citizens of the Republic. All
demonstrated in different sections, dedication and interest. I don't
want to point out or to remind what they done for community.
I worked this year with some of them and with other, not. My
endorsements are going to the first one. That doesn't means the
other don't deserve the same consideration and respect. I want to
wish success to all at elections and my thanks for their
determination to candidate.

In the same manner as last year I come with my specific criterion:
The Roman Virtues. Three virtues for each candidate but not only:

My endorsements:

1. Censor:
C.Fabius Buteo Modianus - Auctoritas, Pietas and Patentia.

2. Consul:
T. Galerius Paulinus - Nobilitas, Humanitas and Honestas. I will add
for him after the hard moments of this year: Veritas and Industria.
M. Moravius Piscinus - Gravitas, Pietas and Humanitas. I will add
for him in concordance with his dedication: Genius and Industria.

3. Curule Aedile :
T. Artoria Marcella - Auctoritas, Dignitas and Firmitas.
I. Iulia Caesar Cytheris - Genius, Pietas and Humanitas.

4. Quaestors :
Gn. Equitius Marinus - Dignitas, Gravitas and Honestas.
Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius - Frugalitas, Pietas and Concordia.
Q. Iulius Probus - Comitas, Firmitas and Veritas.
C. Marius Maior - Auctoritas, Dignitas and Severitas.

5. Custos:
Pompeia Minucia Strabo - Firmitas, Gravitas and Prudentia. I will
add for this year: Industria and Patientia.
Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa - Dignitas, Gravitas and Severitas.

My recomandations:

6. Aedilis Plebis :
C. Curius Saturninus - Auctoritas, Firmitas and Gravitas. For MMP
and Vox Romana I will add Industria and Humanitas.

7. Tribunus Plebis:
C. Arminius Recanellus - Industria, Gravitas and Fortuna.
Q. Servilius Priscus - Gravitas, Dignitas and Honestas.
M. Curiatius Complutensis - Firmitas, Industria and Frugalitas.

Among them, I have trust in the good skills of Lucius Arminius
Faustus, Quintus Valerius Claudius, Titus Pontius Silanus and Marcus
Arminius Maior.
I consider that Flavius Vedius Germanicus deserve the same chances
as all other candidates and as a former military I consider that
Marcus Pontius Sejanus is able to fulfill with honor the job.
I can't tell more, because I didn't effective worked with them.

Finaly, as praetor I believe this is the model:
Modest, voluntary and latin speaker, with intuition and eager to
move the things on, honest and ready to fulfill his duties day by
day.

For all candidates I wish: Virtus, Genius and Concordia.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Salve F. Galerius Aurelianus

"For Consul, my wholehearted support goes to Tiberius Galerius
Paulinus as the best person for this office in the whole of Nova
Roma. I do not believe that the Senate and People of Nova Roma
could do better than Paulinus."

Esteemed Cousin I cannot express the level of honor I feel with
your endorsement and the support of our gens.

It means to me than the Gold and Silver of Tolosa


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Mea gloria fideles

----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick D. Owen<mailto:Patrick.Owen@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:51 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Recommendation of Candidates


F. Galerius Aurelianus Flamen Cerialis et Propraetor Austrorientalis
S.P.D.

I support the following candidates for office:

For Censor, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, because of his long support
of Nova Roma and his overall display of Auctoritas, Firmitas,
Severitas and Romanitas. I hope that he can balance these virtues
with those of Comitas and Clementia.

For Consul, my wholehearted support goes to Tiberius Galerius
Paulinus as the best person for this office in the whole of Nova
Roma. I do not believe that the Senate and People of Nova Roma
could do better than Paulinus.
Of the other candidates, I am torn between Lucius Arminius Faustus
and Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus. Both men display the
private virtues in balanced proportion and both have contributed to
Nova Roma and a display a general appreciation of Romanitas. Our
organization would be fortunate to have either of these men as
Consul. I will still be thinking about which one to vote for as I
go to the Cista.

For Praetores, I confidently endorse Titus Iulius Sabinus and Gaius
Equitius Cato.

For Curule Aediles, Tita Artoria Marcella and Iulia Caesar Cytheris
Aege. As these two are running in concordance with each other and
have had more than enough preparatory experience, Nova Roma will be
well-served by their election to the ivory chairs.

For Quaestores, I cannot say enough good things about Quintus
Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus. This young man has a very
bright future in Nova Roma and I fully expect him to rise to the
highest level of leadership. I also support without hesitation,
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.

Since we are short candidates for several races, I know that those
running for quaestores, tribunes, and other offices should do the
best they are capable of and fulfill their duties with alacrity.

Vadite in pace Cereris.





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