Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Dec 21-31, 2006

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48261 From: dicconf Date: 2006-12-21
Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Haudenosaunee (was: Favorite Civilizations)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48262 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: a.d. XI Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48263 From: C Sempr Graccha Volentia Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: Re: 2007 Calendars
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48264 From: C Sempr Graccha Volentia Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Haudenosaunee
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48265 From: albmd323232 Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: Re: 2007 Calendars
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48266 From: William Cox Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional civiliza
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48267 From: dicconf Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: Sad news.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48268 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional civiliz
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48269 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: a.d. X Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48270 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: Sad news.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48271 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional civiliza
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48272 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Farewell, P. Livius Triarius!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48273 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: Sad news.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48274 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Sad News
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48275 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional civiliz
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48276 From: Shadow DarkFyre Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: Sad News
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48277 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Report of the Caerimonia in Observance of the Larentalia.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48278 From: Tita Artoria Marcella Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: Sad news.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48279 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional c...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48280 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional ci...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48281 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional c...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48282 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: Sad news.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48283 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: MOVIE NIGHT AT Suetonius Paulinus house!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48284 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: a.d. IX Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48285 From: Bob Johnson Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Re: a.d. IX Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48286 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Re: a.d. IX Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48287 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Re: MOVIE NIGHT AT Suetonius Paulinus house!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48288 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Re: MOVIE NIGHT AT Suetonius Paulinus house!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48289 From: Maior Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Merry Christmas!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48290 From: Chantal Gaudiano Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Sad News
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48291 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: a.d. VIII Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48292 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Provinciae Germania
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48293 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Looking for IULIUS TITINIUS ANTONIUS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48294 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Sad news.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48295 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Looking for GAIUS CORNELIUS RUFUS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48296 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Looking for CAIUS IULIUS OCTAVIANUS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48297 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Looking for APPIUS IULIUS AGELASTUS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48298 From: pjane Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: never mind
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48299 From: pjane Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Death of Publius Livius Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48300 From: mutundehre Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Provinciae Germania
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48301 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Looking for IULIUS TITINIUS ANTONIUS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48302 From: mike orley Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Sad news.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48303 From: dicconf Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Sad news.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48304 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-26
Subject: a.d. VII Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48305 From: James Mathews Date: 2006-12-26
Subject: "Pilum" Article Series -- #2-- Canal Construction In the Ancient Wo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48306 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Contacting citizens in America Austrorientalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48307 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: a.d. VI Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48308 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Cartago trilogy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48309 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Information request
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48310 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48311 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48312 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48313 From: Peter Bird Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48314 From: Jorge Hernandez Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Cartago trilogy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48315 From: J Auger Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48316 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Vox Romana Saturnalia Podcast is Here! IO SATURNALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48317 From: mike orley Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48318 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-28
Subject: a.d. V Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48319 From: leansors Date: 2006-12-28
Subject: Re: What are your 3 favorite real life or fictional civilizations a
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48320 From: leansors Date: 2006-12-28
Subject: Re: What are your 3 favorite real life or fictional civilizations a
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48321 From: mike orley Date: 2006-12-28
Subject: Re: What are your 3 favorite real life or fictional civilizations a
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48322 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2006-12-29
Subject: Advices for 2007 new magistrates entering office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48323 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-29
Subject: a.d. IV Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48324 From: Rusty Myers Date: 2006-12-29
Subject: Pompeii Event in Mobile Alabama
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48325 From: craigflores Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Stumped -- 'Colonia Veneria Cornelia Pompeianorum'
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48326 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: a.d. III Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48327 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Thank to the outgoing magistrates of the Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48328 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Re: Thank to the outgoing magistrates of the Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48329 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Magna Mater Project - final report.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48330 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Re: Thank to the outgoing magistrates of the Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48331 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Re: Thank to the outgoing magistrates of the Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48332 From: Tita Artoria Marcella Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Re: What are your 3 favorite real life or fictional civilizations a
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48333 From: Jibril ibn Najdah ibn Zayd al-`Attar Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Re: What are your 3 favorite real life or fictional civilizations a
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48334 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: prid. Kal. Ian.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48335 From: marialag_1 Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Happy New Year and an announcement about new blog and web
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48336 From: lourdes alonso Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Notice about new web and blog for those in search of lore and knowl
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48337 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: REPORT OF SENATE SESSION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48338 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: REPORT OF SENATE SESSION (CORRECTED)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48339 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: To the new Custodes and Diribitors.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48340 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Praying for Iove
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48341 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Comitia results pending
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48342 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Election Results - Comitia Populi Tributa 2759
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48343 From: Pompeia Minucia Strabo Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Edictum Consulare - Outstanding Election Results Comitia Populi Tri
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48344 From: Pompeia Minucia Strabo Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Happy New Year and Thank you
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48345 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Oath of office Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48346 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Report of Piacular Caerimonia ad aedem Quirini Concordiaeque, III a
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48347 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Oath of office of Tiberius Galerius Paulinus in Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48348 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: A face to face meeting of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48349 From: Michael Orley Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Re: Happy New Year to All Fellow Nova Romans !!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48350 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48351 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Praetorian Staff 2759 THANKS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48352 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Oath of Office -- Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48261 From: dicconf Date: 2006-12-21
Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Haudenosaunee (was: Favorite Civilizations)
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, C Sempr Graccha Volentia wrote:

[snippety]
> Very briefly, it seems the Cayuga, Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, and Seneca
> (the Tuscarora came in later), inspired and led by the Peace Maker,
> devised a sophisticated and scrupulously just protocol for designating
> representatives from each group to travel to the central council fire to
> reason together and make law that would apply equally to all member
> nations.

With an interesting twist on equality of representation. Only men could
stand for any office related to making war...but only women could vote for
the candidates!

-- Publius Livius Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48262 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: a.d. XI Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem XI Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"The first historian, so far as I am aware, to touch upon the early
period of the Romans was Hieronymus of Cardia, in his work on the
Epigoni. After him Timaeus of Sicily related the beginnings of their
history in his general history and treated in a separate work the wars
with Pyrrhus of Epirus. Besides these, Antigonus, Polybius, Silenus
and innumerable other authors devoted themselves to the same themes,
though in different ways, each of them recording some few things
compiled without accurate investigation on his own part but from
reports which chance had brought to his ears. Like to these in all
respects are the histories of those Romans, also, who related in Greek
the early achievements of the city; the oldest of these writers are
Quintus Fabius and Lucius Cincius, who both flourished during the
Punic wars. Each of these men related the events at which he himself
had been present with great exactness, as being well acquainted with
them, but touched only in a summary way upon the early events that
followed the founding of the city. For these reasons, therefore, I
have determined not to pass over a noble period of history which the
older writers left untouched, a period, moreover, the accurate
portrayal of which will lead to the following most excellent and just
results: In the first place, the brave men who have fulfilled their
destiny will gain immortal glory and be extolled by posterity, which
things render human nature like upon the divine and prevent men's
deeds from perishing together with their bodies. And again, both the
present and future descendants of those godlike men will choose, not
the pleasantest and easiest of lives, but rather the noblest and most
ambitious, when they consider that all who are sprung from an
illustrious origin ought to set a high value on themselves and indulge
in no pursuit unworthy of their ancestors. And I, who have not
turned aside to this work for the sake of flattery, but out of a
regard for truth and justice, which ought to be the aim of every
history, shall have an opportunity, in the first place, of expressing
my attitude of goodwill toward all good men and toward all who take
pleasure in the contemplation of great and noble deeds; and, in the
second place, of making the most grateful return that I may to the
city in remembrance everyone the education and other blessings I have
enjoyed during my residence in it." - Dionysis of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquities" 1.6


"Rhea, when she was heavy with Zeus, went off to Krete and gave birth
to him there in a cave on Mount Dikte. She put him in the care of both
the Kouretes and the nymphs Adrasteia and Ide, daughters of Melisseus.
These Nymphai nursed the baby with the milk of Amaltheia, while the
armed Kouretes stood guard over him in the cave, banging their spears
against their shields to prevent Kronos from hearing the infant's
voice." - Apollodorus, The Library 1.4-5

"When the Nymph, carrying thee, O Father Zeus [from Arkadia where he
was born to hand over to his protectors and nurses in Krete], toward
Knosos Â… But thee, O Zeus, the companions of Kyrbantes took to their
arms, even the Diktaian Meliai, and Adrasteia [Nemesis] laid thee to
rest in a cradle of gold, and thou didst suck the rich teat of the
she-goat Amaltheia, and thereto eat the sweet honey-comb." -
Callimachus, Hymn I to Zeus 42

"The story is told that Zeus was nursed by a goat there, just as
Aratos says: 'Sacred goat, which, in story, didst hold thy breast o'er
Zeus;' and he goes on to say that 'the interpreters call her the
Olenian goat of Zeus,' thus clearly indicating that the place is near
Olene." - Strabo, Geography 8.7.5

"The holy Goat (Aix), that, as legend tells, gave the breast to Zeus.
Her the interpreters of Zeus call the Olenian Goat." - Aratus,
Phaenomena 162

"He [Zeus] changed the goat [his nurse] into an immortal, there is a
representation of her among the stars to this day." - Antoninus
Liberalis, Metamorphoses 36

"On his [the constellation Charioteer] the goat Capra stands, and in
his left hand the Kids seem to be placed. They tell this story about
him...Parmeniscus say that...Zeus was fed the milk of a she-goat,
Amalthea by name, who is said to have reared him. She often bore twin
kids, and at the very time that Jove was brought to her to nurse, had
borne a pair. And so because of the kindness of the mother, the kids,
too were placed among the constellations. Cleostratus of Tenedos is
said to have first pointed out these kids among the stars.
But Musaeus says...Zeus made his aigis out of the skin of the goat and
later covering the remaining bones of the goat with a skin, he gave
life to them and memorialised them, picturing them with stars." -
Hyginus, Astronomica 2.13

On this day the Sun enters the zodiacal Sign of Capricornus. It is
usually called Capricorn, especially in astrology. It represents a
horned goat, although it is commonly called the sea-goat. Capricornus
is one of the 88 modern constellations, and was also one of the 48
constellations listed by Ptolemy. Under its modern boundaries it is
bordered by Aquila, Sagittarius, Microscopium, Piscis Austrinus and
Aquarius.

This constellation is sometimes identified as Amaltheia, the goat that
suckled the infant Zeus after his mother Rhea saved him from being
devoured by his father Cronos (Saturn in Rome) in Greek mythology. The
goat's broken horn was transformed into the cornucopia or horn of
plenty. Some ancient sources claim that this derives from the sun
"taking nourishment" while in the constellation, in preparation for
its climb back northward.

However, the constellation is often depicted as a sea-goat, a goat
with a fish's tail. One myth that deals with this says that when the
goat-god Pan was attacked by the monster Typhon, he dove into the
Nile; the parts above the water remained a goat, but those under the
water transformed into a fish.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysis of Halicarnassus, Aratus, Apollodorus, Callimachus, Strabo,
Antoninus Liberalis, Hyginus, Wikipedia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48263 From: C Sempr Graccha Volentia Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: Re: 2007 Calendars
Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Re: 2007 Calendars

Salve, Decime Claudi Aquili!

The regular price for a calendar is 10 euros,and the cost for shipping one calendar is, alas, 5 euros. The discount was generated by my ordering a box of 30 and passing the freight savings on to my customers. I passed along a little *too much* of said savings, alas again, due to inexperience and an overly sanguine guesstimate of postage and PayPal (may a thousand incontinent camels infest their rutabagas) fees. The original box of 30, etiam alas, is now empty (except of course for MY copy, upon which nobody is getting their mitts). Only if Saturninus and/or I got an additional 25-30 orders from North America within the next, oh, ten days or so would I consider ordering a second box of the 2007 calendars; and I would have to raise the price slightly, alas plurimas, for calendars from that second box, especially since, as you rightly lament, the exchange rate is currently a dolor in the gluteo maximo, a last alas.

Vale!
Volentia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48264 From: C Sempr Graccha Volentia Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Haudenosaunee
Salve, P. Livi Triari!

> With an interesting twist on equality of representation. Only men could stand for any office related to making war...but only women could vote for the candidates!

Yes, and I believe -- though here I am less sure of my ground -- it was not a matter of considering women incompetent to kick enemy butt, but to keep blood-guilt off of women’s hands, to preserve their sacred connection with Earth.

Here is an interesting and worthy, though tangential, thing: http://www.native-languages.org/

Vale!
Volentia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48265 From: albmd323232 Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: Re: 2007 Calendars
Salve,

I would definitely buy a discounted calander if one is ever offered
again. I think its a good idea to ship it here in a group, like was
done with the coins, to save on shipping for everyone.

Vale,
Decimus Claudius Aquilius



<tellure@...> wrote:
> Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Re: 2007 Calendars
>
> Salve, Decime Claudi Aquili!
>
> The regular price for a calendar is 10 euros,and the cost for
shipping one calendar is, alas, 5 euros. The discount was generated
by my ordering a box of 30 and passing the freight savings on to my
customers. I passed along a little *too much* of said savings, alas
again, due to inexperience and an overly sanguine guesstimate of
postage and PayPal (may a thousand incontinent camels infest their
rutabagas) fees. The original box of 30, etiam alas, is now empty
(except of course for MY copy, upon which nobody is getting their
mitts). Only if Saturninus and/or I got an additional 25-30 orders
from North America within the next, oh, ten days or so would I
consider ordering a second box of the 2007 calendars; and I would
have to raise the price slightly, alas plurimas, for calendars from
that second box, especially since, as you rightly lament, the
exchange rate is currently a dolor in the gluteo maximo, a last alas.
>
> Vale!
> Volentia
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48266 From: William Cox Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional civiliza
Mine:
1. Roman Rep. (before mob rule became rule of thumb).
2. Egypt early 1st dynastic
3. Viking (who wouldnt want to plunder)
4. I have to also say Byzantine Empire
5. tie here but Imperial Japan,Celtic druid class,
*1-5 I would be Nobility with high status
Fictional
1. Dream time (its pretty cool)
2. Galatia (not the real place in Asia minor but the
one I have created within my own mind)
3. Alantis
4. being a superhero and being in a reality like that
we find in TV (where people are nicer, polite, and in
general a better place to be)



--- C Sempr Graccha Volentia <tellure@...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> Real Life:
> Ancient Egypt. Startlingly advanced in many ways.
> The Six Nations or Iroquois Confederacy. Some basic
> concepts of the U.S. Constitution were swiped from
> them without proper accreditation.
> Here and Now. It has never been better. It has
> also never been scarier. But it has also never been
> more pregnant with possibility. These are the days
> of mystery and wonder; this is a long distance call.
>
> Fictional:
> Nobody has voted for the Federation of James
> Schmitz?? What is wrong with you people??
> Also, I nurse a lingering affection for the NYC of
> Marvel Comics, ca . late 60s - early 80s. Before
> Parker got married to that bimbo.
> Sagittarius Templum cotidie vincit. (Captain Archer
> can kick Captain Kirk’s butt any day of the week.)
> And they and their milieu can kick the elitist Star
> Wars all the way to M31.
>
> Io Saturnalia!
> Volentia
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48267 From: dicconf Date: 2006-12-22
Subject: Sad news.
Dick had a stroke, apparently one of a series that had passed unnoticed
because the symptoms were atypical until the one last night.
The doctors at Prince George's Hospital operated to remove the clot,
but the complications that followed were untreatable.

Richard Harris Eney died this afternoon, December 22, 2006.
He was 69 years old.

Plans have not been made yet. I do not intend to do the standard
funeral scene. There may be a memorial service at some time.
In lieu of flowers, please make a donation to the charity of your
choice.

=Tamar Lindsay
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48268 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional civiliz
C. Aurelia Falco Silvana omnibus civibus SPD.


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites,
<snip>
> I hope some of you will take the time to read this and
> comment on my choices. I've spent the last couple of hours
> pondering my choices and composing this note. Since others
> have expanded the number to five, I will too.



>
> Historic (Bronze Age to the end of the 19th century CE)
>
<snip>
> 2. Ireland, especially the Kingdom of Munster, in the 8th
> century CE -- Another stable and prosperous society blessed
> with good government and a beneficial combination of fine
> weather, good farmland, and intelligent people who had
> overcome their warlike ways to create a lovely mediæval
> civilization. In this place the records of western
> civilization were preserved for posterity, modern orthography
> was invented, and learning flourished. Then the Vikings came.
> It would be two centuries before a son of Munster, Brian
> Boru, finally drove the Vikings from Ireland at Clontarf.

Ireland's place in the continuity of Western civilization
doesn't, I think, get enough attention (just ask the Irish!).
But your third choice touches on one that is very significant
to me, and which I believe gets passed over too often. This
is especially true in the post 9/11, Emperor Dubya era :
>
> 3. Moorish Spain (Al-Andalus) under the Abbasids, circa 900
> CE -- A peaceful, multicultural society in which art and
> science flourished. Nowhere before or since has scholarship
> been as widely prized and respected. Islamic and Christian
> scholars working at the great university in Toledo studied
> the classic Greek and Roman writings that had almost
> disappeared from human memory in dark ages Europe, and laid
> the foundation for the return of scholarship to Christian
> Europe.
>

CAFS: That spirit of tolerance appears to have been much like
the spirit prevailing in pre-Christian Rome, where all that
was asked was mutual respect. Cordoba too, was a vital centre
with one of the world's greatest libraries. Its success
depended on communication and commerce across vast territories,
as had been true under Roman rule:

"Nel momento di maggior fulgore, la biblioteca del califfo
a Córdoba arrivò a ospitare quattrocentomila volumi, mentre
quella più importante della cristianità latina ne possedeva
appena quattrocento. "
[ISTITUTO PER L'EVOLUZIONE ARMONICA DELL'UOMO
http://www.ieau.it/pensierofilosofico8.htm

Excerpted from an English-language article:

"Certainly, book collecting was one of the passions
of the times. Both Abdul-Rahman and his son, Al-Hakam
II (961-976), built huge libraries.

Al-Hakam II will be remembered for his patronage of
literature and learning, since it is during his reign
that the palace library became one of the greatest
in the world.

The library had as many as 400,000 titles, from as
far afield as Persia, with the catalogue alone filling
44 volumes.

<snip>

Menocal cited the historian and author of The Decline and
Fall of the Roman Empire, Edward Gibbon, who describes the
book worship of the Islamic polity he so admired in Cordoba,
compared to the anti-book culture of medieval Europe.

This is at a time when the largest library in Christian
Europe probably held no more than 400 manuscripts, according
to Menocal.

Even centuries later, the largest libraries in monasteries
and towns of Western Europe held anything form several dozen
to 150 volumes.

Only wealthy libraries like Durham had more than five hundred.

<snip>

Cordoba, with its some 100,000 inhabitants, was not only
the capital but also the most important city of the Caliphate,
making it Europe's principal urban concentration during
that period.

Soon Cordoba could boast of a population of some 500,000,
compared to about 38,000 in a European city such as Paris.

According to the chronicles of the day, the city had 700
mosques, some 60,000 palaces and 70 libraries — one reportedly
housing 500,000 manuscripts and employing a staff of
researchers, illuminators and book binders.

By comparison, major libraries in western Europe scarcely
reached a thousand.

Even into the 14th century, the library at the University
of Paris only had about 2,000 books.

By 976, the library of Cordoba was said to have employed
500 librarians, scribes, physicians, historians,
geographers and copyists.

The catalogue not only had swollen to 44 volumes, but
arranged by subject, then order of acquisition.

Acquiring new materials was not difficult, as titles moved
freely from Byzantium to Baghdad, Cairo to Cardoba, by way
of Venetian and Arab shipping routes.

<snip>

Clearly, the web of knowledge in Cordoba in the form of
libraries alone was already a significant benchmark of overall
social (not just scholarly) well-being, since it represented
a near-perfect crossroads of the material and the intellectual.

The libraries in turn were affiliated with a sprawling
network of copyists, book­sellers, paper makers and colleges,
churning out as many as 60,000 treatises, poems, polemics
and compilations a year.

<snip>
http://www.prn2.usm.my/mainsite/bulletin/article/29dar05.html
Dato' Dzulkifli Abd Razak,- Opinion- New Sunday Times – 3 July 2005
• The writer is the Vice-Chancellor of Universiti Sains Malaysia.



><snip>
> 5. Canada in the late 19th century CE. Less rigid in its
> class distinctions than England, and without the collective
> moral damage to its national character that the United States
> suffered from the legacy of slavery and civil war, Canada
> represented the best of Victorian civilization.
>
CAFS: As a Canadian, I think this is a very thoughtful choice;
the fundamental Canado-US differences have survived to modern
times. Canadians are generally very conscious of these
differences, even if Americans are not. Canada's motto,
"Peace, order and good government" could have come straight
from the Roman Senate. Jacques Cartier founded the Company
of Good Cheer in the 16th century; the menus and entertainment
programs still exist. The spirit of conviviality and respect
for fine food and fellowship recall the best of triclinium
dinners more than a millenium earlier.

However, I would point out that while not so scarred as the US,
there is evidence of slavery in 19th C. Canada. There also
certainly was genocide--the Beothuk people of Newfoundland
were quite simply exterminated. Elsewhere in Canada, First
Nations were decimated by the introduction of smallpox and
alcohol. And we are still dealing with the issues caused by
historical White "acquisition" of aboriginal lands.

Like societies everywhere, we are not perfect. We are complex.


Valete bene in pace Deorum.

C Aurelia Falco Silvana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48269 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: a.d. X Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem X Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies nefastus publicus est.


"Having thus given the reason for my choice of subject, I wish now to
say something concerning the sources I used while preparing for my
task. For it is possible that those who have already read Hieronymus,
Timaeus, Polybius, or any of the other historians whom I just now
mentioned as having slurred over their work, since they will not have
found in those authors many things mentioned by me, will suspect me of
inventing them and will demand to know how I came by the knowledge of
these particulars. Lest anyone, therefore, should entertain such an
opinion of me, it is best that I should state in advance what
narratives and records I have used as sources. I arrived in Italy at
the very time that Augustus Caesar put an end to the civil war, in the
middle of the one hundred and eighty-seventh Olympiad, and having from
that time to this present day, a period of twenty-two years, lived at
Rome, learned the language of the Romans and acquainted myself with
their writings, I have devoted myself during all that time to matters
bearing upon my subject. Some information I received orally from men
of the greatest learning, with whom I associated; and the rest I
gathered from histories written by the approved Roman authors —
Porcius Cato, Fabius Maximus, Valerius Antias, Licinius Macer, the
aelii, Gellii and Calpurnii, and many others of note; with these
works, which are like the Greek annalistic accounts, as a basis, I set
about the writing of my history. So much, then, concerning myself.
But it yet remains for me to say something also concerning the history
itself — to what periods I limit it, what subjects I describe, and
what form I give to the work.

I begin my history, then, with the most ancient legends, which the
historians before me have omitted as a subject difficult to be cleared
up with diligent study; and I bring the narrative down to the
beginning of the First Punic War, which fell in the third year of the
one hundred and twenty-eighth Olympiad. I relate all the foreign wars
that the city waged during that period and all the internal seditions
with which she was agitated, showing from what causes they sprang and
by what methods and by what arguments they were brought to an end. I
give an account also of all the forms of government Rome used, both
during the monarchy and after its overthrow, and show what was the
character of each. I describe the best customs and the most remarkable
laws; and, in short, I show the whole life of the ancient Romans. As
to the form I give this work, it does not resemble that which the
authors who make wars alone their subject have given to their
histories, nor that which others who treat of the several forms of
government by themselves have adopted, nor is it like the annalistic
accounts which the authors of Atthides have published (for these are
monotonous and soon grow tedious to the reader), but it is a
combination of every kind, forensic, speculative and narrative, to the
intent that it may afford satisfaction both to those who occupy
themselves with political debates and to those who are devoted to
philosophical speculations, as well as to any who may desire mere
undisturbed entertainment in their reading of history. Such things,
therefore, will be the subjects of my history and such will be its
form. I, the author, am Dionysius of Halicarnassus, the son of
Alexander. And at this point I begin." - Dionysis of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquities", 1.7-8


"Others think that the first rise of this fable came from the
children's nurse, through the ambiguity of her name; for the Latins
not only called wolves lupoe, but also women of loose life; and such
an one was the wife of Faustulus, who nurtured these children, Acca
Larentia by name. To her the Romans offer sacrifices, and in the month
of April the priest of Mars makes libations there; it is called the
Larentian Feast. They honour also another Larentia, for the following
reason: the keeper of Hercules's temple having, it seems, little else
to do, proposed to his deity a game at dice, laying down that, if he
himself won, he would have something valuable of the god; but if he
were beaten, he would spread him a noble table, and procure him a fair
lady's company. Upon these terms, throwing first for the god and then
for himself, he found himself beaten. Wishing to pay his stakes
honourably, and holding himself bound by what he had said, he both
provided the diety a good supper, and giving money to Larentia, then
in her beauty, though not publicly known, gave her a feast in the
temple, where he had also laid a bed, and after supper locked her in,
as if the god were really to come to her. And indeed, it is said, the
deity did truly visit her, and commanded her in the morning to walk to
the marketplace, and, whatever man she met first, to salute him, and
make him her friend. She met one named Tarrutius, who was a man
advanced in years, fairly rich, without children, and had always lived
a single life. He received Larentia, and loved her well, and at his
death left her sole heir of all his large and fair possessions, most
of which she, in her last will and testament, bequeathed to the
people. It was reported of her, being now celebrated and esteemed the
mistress of a god, that she suddenly disappeared near the place where
the first Larentia lay buried; the spot is at this day called
Velabrum, because, the river frequently overflowing, they went over in
ferry-boats somewhere hereabouts to the forum, the Latin word for
ferrying being velatura. Others derive the name from velum, a sail;
because the exhibitors of public shows used to hang the road that
leads from the forum to the Circus Maximus with sails, beginning at
this spot. Upon these accounts the second Larentia is honoured at
Rome." - Plutarch, Lives, "Romulus"

"They record that there was another Larentia, Acca, the nurse of
Romulus, whom they honour in the month of April. But they say that the
surname of the courtesan Larentia was Fabula. She became famous for
the following reason: a certain keeper of the temple of Hercules
enjoyed, it seems, considerable leisure and had the habit of spending
the greater part of the day at draughts and dice; and one day, as it
chanced, there was present no one of those who were wont to play with
him and share the occasion of his leisure. So, in his boredom, he
challenged the god to throw dice with him on fixed terms, as it were:
if he should win, he was to obtain some service from the god; but if
he should lose, he was to furnish a supper for the god at his own
expense and provide a comely girl to spend the night with him.
Thereupon he brought out the dice, and threw once for himself and once
for the god, and lost. Abiding, therefore, by the terms of his
challenge he prepared a somewhat sumptuous repast for the god and
fetched Larentia, who openly practised the profession of courtesan. He
feasted her, put her to bed in the temple, and, when he departed,
locked the doors. The tale is told that the god visited her in the
night, not in mortal wise, and bade her on the morrow go into the
forum, band pay particular attention to the first man she met, and
make him her friend. Larentia arose, therefore, and, going forth, met
one of the wealthy men that were unwed and past their prime, whose
name was Tarrutius. With this man she became acquainted, and while he
lived she presided over his household, and when he died, she inherited
his estate; and later, when she herself p63died, she left her property
to the State; and for that reason she has these honours." - Plutarch,
"Roman Questions" 35

"Now should I forget you, Larentia, nurse of such a nation,
Nor, poor Faustulus, the help that you gave.
I'll honour you when I speak of the Larentalia,
And the month approved of by the guardian spirits." - Ovid, Fasti III.55ff


Today is the celebration of the Larentalia, in honor of the goddes
Acca Larentia. Acca is an obscure Latin word: in Greek akko means a
"ridiculous woman" or "bogey"; in Sanskrit akka means "mother."
Therefore Acca Larentia seems to be the Mater Larum (Mother of the
Lares), who is also called Lara, Larunda, Larentina and Mania.

Larentia was said to be the wife of the shepherd Faustulus (perhaps
Faunus), who found Romulus and Remus (who became the Lares of Rome)
when they were being suckled by the she-wolf, and that Larentia became
their foster-mother. Others say that Larentia herself was the she-wolf
(lupa), and that's why she is celebrated as a prostitute (lupa). In
any case, in this festival She is given parental rites (Parentalia) as
the mother of the divine ancestors. According to another account,
Larentia was a beautiful girl, whom Hercules won in a game of dice.
The god advised her to marry the first man she met in the street, who
proved to be a wealthy Etruscan named Tarutius. She inherited all his
property and bequeathed it to the Roman people.


Today is also the final day of the Saturnalia.


Valete bene!

Cato


SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Plutarch, Ovid
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48270 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: Sad news.
Cato Tamar sal.

Requiem æternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis.
Absolve, Domine, animas omnium fidelium defunctorum ab omno vinculo
delictorum et gratia tua illis succurente mereantur evadere judicium
ultionis, et lucis æterne beatitudine perfrui. Requiem æternam dona
eis, Domine; In memoria æterna erit justus, ab auditione mala non timebit.

Our hearts and prayers are with you and the soul of Richard Harris
Eney, known in the Republic as Publius Livius Triarius. May (the)
God(s) watch over you and yours at this time of mourning.

Vale bene,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48271 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional civiliza
Cato omnes SPD

Thinking about this, I've chosen only one:

The Byzantine Empire under John Tzimisces and Basil II. Reclamation
and expansion of the Empire, the conversion of Russia, the crushing of
the caliphates of Cairo and Damascus, flourishing art and
architecture. Unlike 95% of the known world, they bathed regularly,
had a functional sewage system, and access to the products of the
entire world.

Naturally, I'd want to live in the Great City and be someone important
enough to wear a tall hat but not so important as to be noticed when
the time came to gouge out eyes or cut off noses. But I'd probably be
really mouthy and get banished to some monastery on a rock in the Aegean.

Valete bene,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48272 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Farewell, P. Livius Triarius!
Cn. Lentulus: familiae P. Livi Triari: et Quiritibus: SPD:


I have given a shock reading that really sad news. P. Livius Triarius was a very intelligent and excellent citizen, his contributions were of high value I liked to read them.

Farewell, Publi Livi, my prayers are with you and your family.

Here are two Latin prayers, one for the gods, and another for the God.

Di Manes,
vos precor veneror obtestor,
uti Publium Livium Triarium in numero beatorum habeatis in Campis Elysiis,
utique consolationem Publi Livi Triari familiae detis tribuatis,
utique sitis volentes propitii Publi Livi Triari animo, domo, familiae!

Oremus!
Deus,
qui per resurrectionem Filii tui Domini nostri Jesu Christi
mundum laetificare dignatus es,
concede quaesumus,
ut Publi Livi Triari spiritus perpetuae capiat gaudia vitae:
per Dominum nostrum Jesum Christum Filium tuum,
qui tecum vivit et regnat in unitate Spritus Sancti:
Deus per omnia saecula saeculorum.
Amen.




Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
R O G A T O R C A N D I D A T U S
Q U A E S T O R
-------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis C. Fabii Buteonis
Scriba Censoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Aedilis Curulis T. Iulii Sabini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------
Decurio I. Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48273 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: Sad news.
Salvete omnes,

This is sad news. Let us remember Publius Livius Triarius, who joined
us not quite a year ago, in January.

I shall be watching the Washington Post for an obituary. There isn't
one today. Perhaps it will appear tomorrow. In any case I will forward
it when I do see it.

Valete,

-- Marinus

dicconf wrote:
> Dick had a stroke, apparently one of a series that had passed unnoticed
> because the symptoms were atypical until the one last night.
> The doctors at Prince George's Hospital operated to remove the clot,
> but the complications that followed were untreatable.
>
> Richard Harris Eney died this afternoon, December 22, 2006.
> He was 69 years old.
>
> Plans have not been made yet. I do not intend to do the standard
> funeral scene. There may be a memorial service at some time.
> In lieu of flowers, please make a donation to the charity of your
> choice.
>
> =Tamar Lindsay
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48274 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Sad News
Salve Tamar Lindsay

I wanted to express my shock and deepest sympathy to you on
on the passing of Richard Harris Eney (Publius Livius Triarius).
He was a prolific contributor to our forum and he will be missed.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Pax

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48275 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional civiliz
Salve Silvana,

Thank you for your additional comments. We certainly seem to agree. A
few comments, interspersed with yours...

C. Aurelia Falco Silvana wrote:

> Ireland's place in the continuity of Western civilization
> doesn't, I think, get enough attention (just ask the Irish!).

I grew up steeped in it. My Irish grandmother made sure I knew.

> But your third choice touches on one that is very significant
> to me, and which I believe gets passed over too often.

Yes indeed. It's a point I make to my introductory astronomy students
each semester. Many like to point to the Renaissance as a time of
resurgent interest in astronomy and all the other arts and sciences.
But the Renaissance didn't just happen. It was the culmination of a
restoration of scholarship to Christian Europe that began with Pope
Sylvester II, who had travelled to Moorish Spain and studied at the
university of Toledo.

> CAFS: That spirit of tolerance appears to have been much like
> the spirit prevailing in pre-Christian Rome, where all that
> was asked was mutual respect. Cordoba too, was a vital centre
> with one of the world's greatest libraries.

That it was. A library to rival, if not surpass, the Library of Alexandria.

Thanks for providing the additional information you so thoughtfully
posted (and which I have ruthlessly snipped away).

>> <snip>
>> 5. Canada in the late 19th century CE. [...]

> CAFS: As a Canadian, I think this is a very thoughtful choice;

As the son of a Canadian, I do too. *smile*

> the fundamental Canado-US differences have survived to modern
> times. Canadians are generally very conscious of these
> differences, even if Americans are not.

Yes, I know. When I was a boy in school I would get supplemental
history lessons from my father, because he wanted me to know the
Canadian perspective.

> Canada's motto,
> "Peace, order and good government" could have come straight
> from the Roman Senate.

Indeed. And the way that the Canadian Forces deploy around the world on
peacekeeping missions, acknowledging "A Responsibility to Protect," as
their mission statement puts it, might have come right out of Vergil's
"This then Roman shall be your task: The protection of women and
children, and to war down the proud."

> However, I would point out that while not so scarred as the US,
> there is evidence of slavery in 19th C. Canada. There also
> certainly was genocide--the Beothuk people of Newfoundland
> were quite simply exterminated.

All true. None of these civilizations were perfect.

> Elsewhere in Canada, First
> Nations were decimated by the introduction of smallpox and
> alcohol.

Perhaps Jared Diamond should have called his book, _Guns, Germs, Steel,
and Booze_? Smallpox went everywhere Europeans went. It's a disease
that Europeans had developed a partial immunity toward from millennia of
living close to domestic animals, and our European ancestors didn't even
realize it was traveling with them. Booze is something that all human
civilizations seem to discover eventually, though Europeans did
introduce distilled alcohol to people who'd never known anything more
potent than fermented fruit juices.

> And we are still dealing with the issues caused by
> historical White "acquisition" of aboriginal lands.

As I said above, none of these civilizations were perfect. But all of
them tried very hard to be good.

> Like societies everywhere, we are not perfect. We are complex.

Exactly.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48276 From: Shadow DarkFyre Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: Sad News
On Behalf of the Domain and Realms, I want to extend my condolences for the loss of one of your own. May his soul be blessed and safe as it passes on to the next life. Dream Well and Blessed Be to all of you this holiday season...

In His Name,
-Lord Shadow

There's magick in believing...
-The Domain and Realms
http://thedomainandrealms.batcave.net




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From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus <spqr753@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 8:10:31 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Sad News

Salve Tamar Lindsay

I wanted to express my shock and deepest sympathy to you on
on the passing of Richard Harris Eney (Publius Livius Triarius).
He was a prolific contributor to our forum and he will be missed.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Pax

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48277 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Report of the Caerimonia in Observance of the Larentalia.
G. Iulius Scaurus Quiritibus S. P. D.

The Larentalia is the parentatio festival of Acca Larentia. According
to Varro (de Ling. Lat. vi.23; cf. Festus, s.v. Larentalia), the
Flamen Quirinalis led the Pontifices to the Velabrum near the Via
Nova, where the tomb of Acca Larentia was located. A sacrifice was
performed and the epulum feast associated with the parentatio of the
Di Manes was observed by the priests.

Acording to Livy (i.4), Acca Larentia was the wife of Faustulus who
became the nurse-mother of the foundling Romulus and Remus and for her
selfless service to the founder of Rome was regarded as the Dea
Tacita, the Silent Goddess, who stood highest among the Di Manes.
This tradition is confirmed by Ovid (Fasti iii.57). Another
tradition, cited by Livy (i.4.7) as doubtful, but reported also in
Macrobius (Saturnalia i.10; Plutarch, Romulus 4,5 and Quaest. Rom. 35,
as well as Aulus Gellius vi.7 report a similar tradition), regarded
Acca Larentia as a prostitute ("lupa," also the Latin word for a
she-wolf) and mistress of Hercules who later married a man of great
wealth; she is said to have left that wealth to the Roman people.
Masurius Sabinus in his Memoralia reports historical traditions which
regard Acca Larentia as Romulus nurse-mother and report that on the
death of one of her twelve sons, Romulus volunteered to join them,
forming the Arval Brotherhood.

The following parentatio for Acca Larentia was performed today by the
Flamen Quirinalis. I am traveling for the holidays, visiting family
and friends, who, diis gratias, have graciously afforded me the
opportunity to make the necessary preparations for the caerimonia (and
to make room the sixtysome pounds of extra baggage in foci, altar,
marble slab, and other necessary equippage).

Since Acca Larentia is numbered among the Di Inferni, I prepared for
the ritual by digging a shallow ditch where I erected a focus for her
offerings. Beside it I erected an altar to the Di Consentes et
Indigetes whom I would call upon to witness the offerings of the
Larentalia and a marble slab to stand as simulacrum for the tomb of
Acca Larentia. I wreathed the focus in the ditch and the simulacrum
with lilac and roses. I bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga
praetexta, cinctu Gabino, capite velato, I began the praefatio.

Praefatio

"Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
[Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites." I placed incense in the focus of the
altar.

"Iuppiter, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum [Iuppiter,
by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may
be propitious to me and the Senate and People of the Novaromans, the
Quirites." I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
[Father Mars, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense in the focus of the
altar.

"Quirine pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
[Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers,
so that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense in the focus of the
altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter, as by offering to
you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation
from the patera on the focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Acca Larentia, nutrix Romuli Remique, benefactrix gentis Romanae,
tibi sacram memoriam et gratias pias debemus, mater populi Romani;
tibi fieri oportet in hoc loco memoriae sacrae culignam vini dapi,
eius rei ergo macte hac illace dape pollucenda esto [Acca Larentia,
nurse-mother of Romulus and Remus, benefactor of the Roman race, to
you we owe sacred memory and devout thanks, mother of the Roman
people; it is proper for a cup of wine to be given to you in this
place of sacred memory for the sacred feast, for the sake of this
thing may you be honoured by this feast offering.]" I poured a
libation from the patera on the focus in the ditch.

Oblationes

I offered further two libations of unmixed wine, two libations of
sweet milk, and two libations of olive oil poured into the ditch. At
each libation I pronounced the formula, "Salve, sancte parens! Iterum
salvete, recepti cineres, animaeque umbraeque maternae! [Hail, holy
parent! Again, hail, recovered maternal ashes, and spirits and
shades!]," then touched the simulacrum of the tomb in adoratio.

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Tantae nutrix Acca Larentia gentis, Dea Tacita, macte istace dape
pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto [Larentia, foster-mother of
such a race, Silent Goddess, may you be honoured by this feast
offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Acca
Larentia bacon, cakes, cheese, and wine on the focus in the ditch.


"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation
from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter, as by offering to
you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

" Vesta Mater, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Mother
Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Illicet. [It is finished.]"

I profaned bacon, wine, cakes, and cheese, and reclining on a pallet,
beneath a blanket, beside the ditch I partook of the epulum with Acca
Larentia, praying as I ate and offering libations in my private
devotions.

Piaculum

Since the ritus of the Larentalia has yet to be recovered from
literary or archaeological sources, the ritus I used was of my own
composition, based on the parentatio for the Di Manes, the parentatio
for Germanicus (RS I, 507; AE 1984, 508), and Virgil's account of the
parentatio for Anchises (Aeneid 5). An immolatio was not possible.
Therefore, I concluded with a piaculum to Acca Larentia.

"Acca Larentia, Dea Nurtix, si quidquam tibi in hoc ritu Larentaliae
displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Acca
Larentia, Divine Foster-Mother, if anything in this rite of the
Larentalia is displeasing to you, with this humble wine I ask
forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I poured a libation into the
focus of the ditch.

In accordance with the mos maiorum I closed the ditch and filled it in.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48278 From: Tita Artoria Marcella Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: Sad news.
Salve Tamar Lindsay,

This is indeed sad news. My condolences on your loss. I only knew P. Livius Triarius from his posts to this list, but I always looked forward to reading what he had to say. He will be missed.

Vale bene,
Artoria Marcella

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48279 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional c...
Aurelianus SPD

I have been following this thread and have found it interesting but realize
it would be a very hard life for many who were born in the late 20th century
to live in past times. I always find that comfort is one of the most
important assets to living in any historic period. My choices usually include
whether or not I could get a hot bath and a good meal (without going out and
killing it myself). One point that I have always liked about the late Republic,
Empire, and the Byzantine Empire is that you could always find a decent
balneum, caupona, mansio, and taverna. Also, there is something to be said for
having a patron who would always be available for a daily sportula or 12 h.s. a
day if times got hard.
Life is a chancy sort of thing in any period up to the present era. I was
reading a new book on Pompeii recently when I remembered the eruption of Mt.
Pelee around 1902. The city of Monsferrat was wiped out much like Herculaneum
with the loss of 28,000 people and only three survivors. I also recall that
one of the outstanding archaeological sites of the late Roman Empire was
Dura-Europa in Mesopotamia which fell to a Sassanian siege in 256 C.E. I don't
think that most Nova Romans give much thought to having the city that they
live in being wiped out by a volcano, an earthquake, a plague, or an invading
horde of Persians, Goths, or Huns.
I have been a reenactor for about 30 years and remember just how
uncomfortable it was attending a four day event where we ate what we had with us, lived
under canvas, and had only a limited amount of physical marching & fighting.
Or the time there was a medieval event at a primitive site with only a
converted barn for a great hall with a long fire on the hearth. Inside the hall
it was not much more than 45 degrees with 20 degrees or less outside. Even
three layers of wool & a foot of hay didn't help keep my muscles from
stiffening up and interrupting my sleep although I could have gone home or moved to a
motel. When you are young, one can enjoy[?] the experience because you
know that central heat and a hot bath are waiting at the end of the weekend.
There is a lot to be said for modern times or even historical periods where
you could live in a city like Rome, Constantinople, Kyoto, or Minas Tirith.

Valete.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48280 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional ci...
Ercule, Cato! You are mouthy enough in Nova Roma to be banished off to the
Crimea to live in Ovid's old home. Io Saturnalia.

Galerius Aurelianus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48281 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: What are your 3 (or 5) favorite real life or fictional c...
Salvete omnes,

I have had similar discussions with many people about choosing a
past time to live. I have a former brother-in-law originally from
Hungary, a great lover of classical music and opera who often said
he wished he had lived in the Austro-Hungarian Empire circa 1830 -
1900, paticularily to be there for all the great such Romantic music
produced in that era. I merely pointed out that in this day and age,
stressful and fast paced as it is you simply can take any work from
that time or ever written and throw it on your expensive stereo for
an instant command performance; one that would have been only
reserved for the high and mighty elite at that time or only be heard
in public concerts several times a year. On that, he said he agreed
with me 100% and thought staying here was better.

The same applies to our internet today right through to movies and
home theater. When I was a kid only multi-millionaires such as
Hollywood producers had theaters in their homes. I never dreamed
that in the last half of my life I could own all the movies I ever
loved right at my finger tips... ah, I think I'll get a small home
theatre for an Xmas present when I return from the field since
prices are coming down fast!

Regards,

QSP












--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Aurelianus SPD
>
> I have been following this thread and have found it interesting
but realize
> it would be a very hard life for many who were born in the late
20th century
> to live in past times... snip for brevity
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48282 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-12-23
Subject: Re: Sad news.
Salve Tamar Lindsay,

Sad as this news is we certainly appreciated that you let us know.
Our thoughts and prayers go out to him and his contributions to our
list will certainly be missed.

Vale bene,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48283 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: MOVIE NIGHT AT Suetonius Paulinus house!!!!
Salvete

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus said in part

"ah, I think I'll get a small home theatre for an Xmas present when I
return from the field since prices are coming down fast!"

Ok! you heard it here first MOVIE NIGHT AT Suetonius Paulinus house.

Spartacus ( where well all cheer the arrival of the Legions of Rome
on to the field of battle),

I, Claudius (best Roman production ever ) and anything else we can
squeeze in.

Ok Everybody to Suetonius Paulinus house!!! : )

I'll bring some wine.

Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
(Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I have had similar discussions with many people about choosing a
> past time to live. I have a former brother-in-law originally from
> Hungary, a great lover of classical music and opera who often said
> he wished he had lived in the Austro-Hungarian Empire circa 1830 -
> 1900, paticularily to be there for all the great such Romantic
music
> produced in that era. I merely pointed out that in this day and
age,
> stressful and fast paced as it is you simply can take any work from
> that time or ever written and throw it on your expensive stereo for
> an instant command performance; one that would have been only
> reserved for the high and mighty elite at that time or only be
heard
> in public concerts several times a year. On that, he said he agreed
> with me 100% and thought staying here was better.
>
> The same applies to our internet today right through to movies and
> home theater. When I was a kid only multi-millionaires such as
> Hollywood producers had theaters in their homes. I never dreamed
> that in the last half of my life I could own all the movies I ever
> loved right at my finger tips... ah, I think I'll get a small home
> theatre for an Xmas present when I return from the field since
> prices are coming down fast!
>
> Regards,
>
> QSP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> >
> > Aurelianus SPD
> >
> > I have been following this thread and have found it interesting
> but realize
> > it would be a very hard life for many who were born in the late
> 20th century
> > to live in past times... snip for brevity
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48284 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: a.d. IX Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem IX Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"This city, mistress of the whole earth and sea, which the Romans now
inhabit, is said to have had as its earliest occupants the barbarian
Sicels, a native race. As to the condition of the place before their
time, whether it was occupied by others or uninhabited, one can
certainly say. But some time later the Aborigines gained possession of
it, having taken it from the occupants after a long war. These people
had previously lived on the mountains in unwalled villages and
scattered groups; but when the Pelasgians, with whom some other Greeks
had united, assisted them in the war against their neighbours, they
drove the Sicels out of this place, walled in many towns, and
contrived to subjugate all the country that lies between the two
rivers, the Liris and the Tiber. These rivers spring from the foot of
the Apennine mountains, the range by which all Italy is divided into
two parts throughout its length, and at points about eight hundred
stades from one another discharge themselves into the Tyrrhenian Sea,
the Tiber to the north, near the city of Ostia, and the Liris to the
south, as it flows by Minturnae, both these cities being Roman
colonies. And these people remained in this same place of abode, both
never afterwards driven out by any others; but, although they
continued to be one and the same people, their name was twice changed.
Till the time of the Trojan war they preserved their ancient name of
Aborigines; but under lalus, their king, who reigned at the time of
that war, they began to be called Latins, and when Romulus founded the
city named after himself sixteen generations after the taking of Troy,
they took the name which they now bear. And in the course of time they
contrived to raise themselves from the smallest nation to the greatest
and from the most obscure to the most illustrious, not only by their
humane reception of those who sought a home among them, but also by
sharing the rights of citizenship with all who had been conquered by
them in war after a brave resistance, by permitting all the slaves,
too, who were manumitted among them to become citizens, and by
disdaining no condition of men from whom the commonwealth might reap
an advantage, but above everything else by their form of government,
which they fashioned out of their many experiences, always extracting
something useful from every occasion.

There are some who affirm that the Aborigines, from whom the Romans
are originally descended, were natives of Italy, a stock which came
into being spontaneously (I call Italy all that peninsula which is
bounded by the Ionian Gulf and the Tyrrhenian Sea and, thirdly, by the
Alps on the landward side); and these authors say that they were first
called Aborigines because they were the founders of the families of
their descendants, or, as we should call them, genearchai or
protogonoi. Others claim that certain vagabonds without house or
home, coming together out of many places, met one another there by
chance and took up their abode in the fastnesses, living by robbery
and grazing their herds. And these writers change their name, also, to
one more suitable to their condition, calling them Aberrigenes, to
show that they were wanderers; indeed, according to these, the race of
the Aborigines would seem to be no different from those the ancients
called Leleges; for this is the name they generally gave to the
homeless and mixed peoples who had no fixed abode which they could
call their country. Still others have a story to the effect that they
were colonists sent out by those Ligurians who are neighbours of the
Umbrians. For the Ligurians inhabit not only many parts of Italy but
some parts of Gaul as well, but which of these lands is their native
country is not known, since nothing certain is said of them further."
- Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities", 1.9-10


Today is celebrated by most Christians as the Eve of the Nativity of
Jesus Christ, probably (if a little confusingly) around 4 B.C.

"Et ibant omnes, ut profiterentur, singuli in suam civitatem. Ascendit
autem et Ioseph a Galilaea de civitate Nazareth in Iudaeam in
civitatem David, quae vocatur Bethlehem, eo quod esset de domo et
familia David, ut profiteretur cum Maria desponsata sibi, uxore
praegnante. Factum est autem, cum essent ibi, impleti sunt dies, ut
pareret, et peperit filium suum primogenitum; et pannis eum involvit
et reclinavit eum in praesepio, quia non erat eis locus in deversorio."


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48285 From: Bob Johnson Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Re: a.d. IX Kal. Ian.
Gaius Marcius Crispus omnibus SPD

gequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

Today is celebrated by most Christians as the Eve of the Nativity of
Jesus Christ, probably (if a little confusingly) around 4 B.C.

The birth of Christ was assigned the date of the winter solstice (December 25 in the Julian calendar, January 6 in the Egyptian), because on this day, as the Sun began its return to northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithras celebrated the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Birthday of the Invincible Sun). On December 25, 274, Lucius Domitius Aurelianus (Emperor Aurelian) had proclaimed the Sun God the principal patron of the Empire and dedicated a temple to Him in the Campus Martius. Christmas originated at a time when the cult of the Sun was particularly strong at Rome.

The last state pagan religion in Europe was Mithraism. The worship of Mithras, the Invincible Sun god, was practised all over the Roman Empire, including the British Isles. The Temples in London and along HadrianÂ’s Wall can still be seen today as well some remains in Wales and York. There is no written formal documentation of the Western style of Mithraic Mysteries, the Roman 'Cult of Mithras'. The underground Temples and their paintings, statues and few anti-pagan documents by early Christians are all that remain.
Roman Mithras was perhaps the greatest rival to early Christianity for many reasons. As well as being a popular pagan religion practised by the Roman Army, Mithraism had many similarities to Christianity. Mithras was born of a virgin, remained celibate, his worship involving baptism, the partaking of bread marked with a cross and wine as sacrificial blood, held Sundays sacred and Mithras was born on 25th of December. Mithraists called themselves 'brother' and were led by a priest called 'father' (Pater). The symbols of the father were a staff, a hooked sword, a ring and hat.
These similarities frightened the early Christian leaders - that almost 500 years before arrival of Christ all of the Christian mysteries were already known. To combat this, Christian writters said that the Devil knew of the coming of Christ in advance and had imitated them before they existed in order to denigrate them. As Christianity gained strength and became the formal religion of the Roman Empire, the 'Cult of Mithras' was one of the first pagan cults to come under attack in the fifth century; Temples of Mithras, like most other pagan Temples, were destroyed and Churches built on their sites.

Whoever you worship at this time of year, I wish all citizens and their families a very merry and peaceful Christmas

Valete optime

Gaius Marcius Crispus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48286 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Re: a.d. IX Kal. Ian.
Cato G. Marcio Crispo sal.

Marcius Crispus, with the greatest respect possible, I must disagree
with much of what you wrote.

The earliest references to Mithra come from the ancient Hindu
literature. However, just what people believed about him at that time
is unknown. J.P. Arendzen writes,

"The origin of the cult of Mithra dates from the time that the Hindus
and Persians still formed one people, for the god Mithra occurs in the
religion and the sacred books of both races, i.e. in the Vedas and in
the Avesta. In Vedic hymns he is frequently mentioned and is nearly
always coupled with Varuna, but beyond the bare occurrence of his
name, little is known of him (Rigveda, III, 59)." - Arendzen, J.P.,
"Mithraism."

Mithraism is an example of a "mystery religion" that flourished in the
near east at that time. David Ulansey explains it is called such
because

" ..like the other ancient 'mystery religions,' such as the Eleusinian
mysteries and the mysteries of Isis, the Mithraic cult maintained
strict secrecy about its teachings and practices, revealing them only
to initiates. As a result, reconstructing the beliefs of the Mithraic
devotees has posed an enormously intriguing challenge to scholarly
ingenuity..." - Ulansey, David "The Cosmic Mysteries of Mithras",
revised 1991

Owing to the cult's secrecy, we possess almost no literary evidence
about the beliefs of Mithraism. The few texts that do refer to the
cult come not from Mithraic devotees themselves, but rather from
outsiders such as early Church fathers, who mentioned Mithraism in
order to attack it, and Platonic philosophers, who attempted to find
support in Mithraic symbolism for their own philosophical ideas.
Because of the lack of textual evidence for early Mithraism, there is
no way to positively assert that the ideas that seem to correspond to
Christianity were ever taught prior to the second century A.D. after
all of the Christian texts that make up the New Testament had been in
wide-spread circulation. In fact, most scholars take a dim view of
that idea.

In fact, Mithraism seems to change drastically from its Persian roots
when it becomes a Roman cult. Romans adapted the military cult into
something much more comfortable and understandable for their form of
worship. Scholars Beard, North and Price agree stating,

"The form of the cult most familiar to us, the initiatory cult, does
not seem to derive from Persia at all. It is found first in the west,
has no significant resemblance to its supposed Persian 'origins', and
seems largely to be a western construct." - Beard, Mary, John North
and Simon Price, Religions of Rome Volume I, Cambridge University
Press. New York NY. 1998 p.279

Because of the above evidence, we must dismiss the claims that
Christianity borrowed from Mithraism in order to codify its own set of
beliefs. The ancient form of Mithraism would not have looked anything
like Christianity. It in fact was a very pagan form of worship.

"Allegations of an early Christian dependence on Mithraism have been
rejected on many grounds. Mithraism had no concept of the death and
resurrection of its god and no place for any concept of rebirth - at
least during its early stages.... During the early stages of the cult,
the notion of rebirth would have been foreign to its basic outlook....
Moreover, Mithraism was basically a military cult. Therefore, one must
be skeptical about suggestions that it appealed to nonmilitary people
like the early Christians." - Nash, Ronald, "Mystery Religions of the
Near East"

When studying the ancient Mithraism, the one that came before western
influence, we see that it reads much more like other ancient myths
rather than early Christianity. Norman Geisler summarizes this by
saying "We do know that Mithraism, like its mystery competitors, had a
basic myth. Mithra was supposedly born when he emerged from a rock; he
was carrying a knife and torch and wearing a phrygian cap. He battled
first with the sun and then the primeval bull, which then became the
ground of life for the human race."

The taurobolium was a bloody rite associated with the worship of
Mithra and of Attis in which a bull was slaughtered on 'a grating over
an initiate in a pit below, drenching him with blood. This has been
suggested as the basis of the Christian's redemption by blood and
Paul's imagery in Romans 6 of the believer's death and resurrection.
Gunter Wagner in his exhaustive study "Pauline Baptism and the Pagan
Mysteries" (1963) points out how anachronistic such comparisons are:
The taurobolium in the Attis cult is first attested in the time of
Antoninus Pius for A.D. 160. As far as we can see at present it only
became a personal consecration at the beginning of the third century
A.D. The idea of a rebirth through the instrumentality of the
taurobolium only emerges in isolated instances towards the end of the
fourth century A.D.; it is not originally associated with this
blood-bath [p. 266].Indeed, there is inscriptional evidence from the
fourth century A.D. that, far from influencing Christianity, those who
used the taurobolium were influenced by Christianity.

Given all the evidence, the claims that Christianity somehow borrowed
from Mithraic beliefs is shown to be unsupported by fact. Many
scholars now believe that it is Christianity's increasing popularity
that caused a late form of Mithraism to change in order to sound more
mainstream.

Valete bene,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48287 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Re: MOVIE NIGHT AT Suetonius Paulinus house!!!!
>
> I, Claudius (best Roman production ever ) and anything else we can
> squeeze in.


Squeeze in??? "I, Claudius" is like 20 hours long!!!????


Vale, Laneas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48288 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kell Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Re: MOVIE NIGHT AT Suetonius Paulinus house!!!!
Salvete omnes,

All Nova Romans who come to my province are indeed welcome. There
shall be flowing spiced wines, ancient foods and even beer for those
with barbarian tastes. I do have " I Claudius " as well as all the
Roman epics.

Right now I am working in the barbarian wilderness for the next
several weeks but alas the capitalistic exploiting oil company has
sent us prime rib and lobsters for Christmas dinner tomorrow. Ah,
when Quintus finishes indulging in such gluttony he shall buy a t-
shirt saying " I Beat Anorexia ! "

Merry Christmas!

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
<gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > I, Claudius (best Roman production ever ) and anything else we
can
> > squeeze in.
>
>
> Squeeze in??? "I, Claudius" is like 20 hours long!!!????
>
>
> Vale, Laneas
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48289 From: Maior Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Merry Christmas!
M.Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
here's wishing all Nova Roma Christians, a happy Christmas
eve & joyous Christmas Day!!
Happy Christmas, Po, Cato, Paulinus (duo), Scholastica, et
cetera! Vos exopto gaudeo!
bene valete
M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48290 From: Chantal Gaudiano Date: 2006-12-24
Subject: Sad News
This is indeed sad news about Publius Livius Triarius. It's going to
be a hard holiday season for his family, and I wish for them the
strength and faith to get through this time as well as they possibly
can.

Paulla Corva
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48291 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: a.d. VIII Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VIII Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"But the most learned of the Roman historians, among whom is Porcius
Cato, who compiled with the greatest care the "origins" of the Italian
cities, Gaius Sempronius and a great many others, say that they were
Greeks, part of those who once dwelt in Achaia, and that they migrated
many generations before the Trojan war. But they do not go on to
indicate either the Greek tribe to which they belonged or the city
from which they removed, or the date or the leader of the colony, or
as the result of what turns of fortune they left their mother country;
and although they are following a Greek legend, they have cited no
Greek historian as their authority. It is uncertain, therefore, what
the truth of the matter is. But if what they say is true, the
Aborigines can be a colony of no other people but of those who are now
called Arcadians; for these were the first of all the Greeks to cross
the Ionian Gulf, under the leadership of Oenotrus, the son of Lycaon,
and to settle in Italy. This Oenotrus was the fifth from Aezeius and
Phoroneus, who were the first kings in the Peloponnesus. For Niobe was
the daughter of Phoroneus, and Pelasgus was the son of Niobe and Zeus,
it is said; Lycaon was to Aezeius and Deianira was the daughter of
Lycaon; Deianira and Pelasgus were the parents of another Lycaon,
whose son Oenotrus was born seventeen generations before the Trojan
expedition. This, then, was the time when the Greeks sent the colony
into Italy. Oenotrus left Greece because he was dissatisfied with his
portion of his father's land; for, as Lycaon had twenty-two sons, it
was necessary to divide Arcadia into as many shares. For this reason
Oenotrus left the Peloponnesus, prepared a fleet, and crossed the
Ionian Gulf with Peucetius, one of his brothers. The were accompanied
by many of their own people — for this nation is said to have been
very populous in early times — and by as many other Greeks as had less
land than was sufficient for them. Peucetius landed his people above
the Iapygian Promontory, which was the first part of Italy they made,
and settled there; and from him the inhabitants of this region were
called Peucetians. But Oenotrus with the greater part of the
expedition came into the other sea that washes the western regions
along the coast of Italy; it was then called the Ausonian Sea, are the
Ausonians who dwelt beside it, but after the Tyrrhenians became
masters at sea its name was changed to that which it now bears.

And finding there much land suitable for pasturage and much for
tillage, but for the most part unoccupied, and even that which was
inhabited not thickly populated, he cleared some of it of the
barbarians and built small towns contiguous to one another on the
mountains, which was the customary manner of habitation in use among
the ancients. And all the land he occupied, which was very extensive,
was called Oenotria, and all the people under his command Oenotrians,
which was the third name they had borne. For in the reign of Aezeius
they were called Aezeians, when Lycaon succeeded to the rule,
Lycaonians, and after Oenotrus led them into Italy they were for a
while called Oenotrians. What I say is supported by the testimony of
Sophocles, the tragic poet, in his drama entitled Triptolemus; for he
there represents Demeter as informing Triptolemus how large a tract of
land he would have to travel over while sowing it with the seeds she
had given him. For, after first referring to the eastern part of
Italy, which reaches from the Iapygian Promontory to the Sicilian
Strait, and then touching upon Sicily on the opposite side, she
returns again to the western part of Italy and enumerates the most
important nations that inhabit this coast, beginning with the
settlement of the Oenotrians. But it is enough to quote merely the
iambics in which he says:

'And after this, — first, then, upon the right,
Oenotria wide-outstretched and Tyrrhene Gulf,
And next the Ligurian land shall welcome thee.'

And Antiochus of Syracuse, a very early historian, in his account of
the settlement of Italy, when enumerating the most ancient inhabitants
in the order in which each of them held possession of any part of it,
says that first who are reported to have inhabited that country are
the Oenotrians. his words are these: "Antiochus, the son of
Xenophanes, wrote this account of Italy, which comprises all that is
most credible and certain out of the ancient tales; this country,
which is now called Italy, was formerly possessed by the Oenotrians."
Then he relates in what manner they were governed and says that in the
course of time Italus came to be their king, after whom they were
named Italians; that this man was succeeded by Morges, after whom they
were called Morgetes, and that Sicelus, being received as a guest by
Morges and setting up a kingdom for himself, divided the nation. After
which he adds these words: 'Thus those who had been Oenotrians became
Sicels, Morgetes and Italians.'" - Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman
Antiquities" 1.11-12



Today is celebrated by most Christians as the Feast of Nativity of
Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

"In principio erat Verbum et Verbum erat apud Deum et Deus erat
Verbum. Hoc erat in principio apud Deum, omnia per ipsum facta sunt
et sine ipso factum est nihil quod factum est. In ipso vita erat et
vita erat lux hominum, et lux in tenebris lucet et tenebrae eam non
comprehenderunt...et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis et
vidimus gloriam eius gloriam quasi unigeniti a Patre plenum gratiae et
veritatis." - Evangelium Dominum nostrum Iesum Christum secundum
Iohannem 1.1-5, 14

"Actum est autem cum essent ibi impleti sunt dies ut pareret et
peperit filium suum primogenitum et pannis eum involvit et reclinavit
eum in praesepio quia non erat eis locus in diversorio. Et pastores
erant in regione eadem vigilantes et custodientes vigilias noctis
supra gregem suum. Et ecce angelus Domini stetit iuxta illos et
claritas Dei circumfulsit illos et timuerunt timore magno. Et dixit
illis angelus nolite timere ecce enim evangelizo vobis gaudium magnum
quod erit omni populo: quia natus est vobis hodie salvator qui est
Christus Dominus in civitate David. Et hoc vobis signum invenietis
infantem pannis involutum et positum in praesepio." - Evangelium
Dominum nostrum Iesum Christum secundum Luccam 2.6-12


Valete bene et feste diem natalem Christi!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysis of Halicarnassus, The Vulgate
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48292 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Provinciae Germania
> A. Tullia Scholastica T. Flávió Aquilae quirítibus S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Provinciae Germania
>
> Honorable Gubernator Conservate ,
>
> unfortunately I have not received any response concerning my e-mails I had
> sent to you, that?s why I have
> to use this way to get in contact with you, I know you might be very busy
> and if there is anything I can help
> you with , please let me know.
>
> ATS: Unfortunately, Conservátus has not been as active in NR as he had
> been in the past, and had had to move out of the province at least
> temporarily, though I believe he has returned. We miss his excellent Latin on
> the ML, but it seems that his work is very demanding and he cannot lay it
> aside very often any more.
>
> I really would like to strengthen the Provinciae Germania. Any citizen of
> the Provinciae Germania I would
> kindly ask you to get in contact with me so we can plan on the next steps
> and to get known to each other.
>
> My heart and soul are with Nova Roma and I am willing to devote my time
> and my strength for a successful
> Provinciae Germania within Nova Roma.
>
> Vale optime
> Titus Flavius Aquila
>
> Valé, et valéte.
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48293 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Looking for IULIUS TITINIUS ANTONIUS
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Propraetor Austrorientalis SPD.

I am attempting to contact Iulius Titinius Antonius, a citizen listed
for America Austrorientalis. If anyone knows how to contact him or
would be willing to pass this message on to him, I would very much
appreciate it.

I would like to invite him to join the provincial weblist at
austrorientalis@yahoogroups.com; so he could become aware of the
events and plans going on in his province. We also have a website at
bravehost, too.

If any other Nova Romans are living in America Austrorientalis (TN,
NC, SC, GA, FL, AL, GA, LA, MS, and AR) and read this message, please
join the provincial weblist and review the archives to discover the
activities here in Austrorientalis. You may also contact me at
padruigtheuncle@... for more detailed information.

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48294 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Sad news.
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica T. Lindsay omnibusque S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Dick had a stroke, apparently one of a series that had passed unnoticed
> because the symptoms were atypical until the one last night.
> The doctors at Prince George's Hospital operated to remove the clot,
> but the complications that followed were untreatable.
>
> ATS: Please accept my heartfelt condolences. Just the previous day, the
> person we knew as P. Livius Triarius had posted a charming note to our main
> list. I assume you are a friend or relative, and that this loss is all the
> more difficult because it happened at a time when most people are in a festive
> mood, and mourning is not even on the farthest edges of the population¹s radar
> screen. Having lost my father to a stroke, and having seen at least one
> visitor to our home suffer a stroke during the course of that visit as well as
> having witnessed the aftereffects thereof in others, I have had my fill of
> apoplexies. We will miss Triarius, and hope that your sadness will soon be
> alleviated. He will live in our memories, for we Roman citizens are a large
> and far-flung family, and cherish our own.
>
> Richard Harris Eney died this afternoon, December 22, 2006.
> He was 69 years old.
>
> Plans have not been made yet. I do not intend to do the standard
> funeral scene. There may be a memorial service at some time.
> In lieu of flowers, please make a donation to the charity of your
> choice.
>
> =Tamar Lindsay
>
>

Valé, et valéte.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48295 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Looking for GAIUS CORNELIUS RUFUS
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Propraetor Austrorientalis SPD.

I am attempting to contact Gaius Cornelius Rufus, a citizen listed for
America Austrorientalis. If anyone knows how to contact him or would
be willing to pass this message on to him, I would very much appreciate
it.

I would like to invite him to join the provincial weblist at
austrorientalis@yahoogroups.com; so he could become aware of the events
and plans going on in his province. We also have a website at
bravehost, too.

If any other Nova Romans are living in America Austrorientalis (TN, NC,
SC, GA, FL, AL, GA, LA, MS, and AR) and read this message, please join
the provincial weblist and review the archives to discover the
activities here in Austrorientalis. You may also contact me at
padruigtheuncle@... for more detailed information.

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48296 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Looking for CAIUS IULIUS OCTAVIANUS
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Propraetor Austrorientalis SPD.

I am attempting to contact Caius Iulius Octavianus, a citizen listed
for America Austrorientalis. If anyone knows how to contact him or
would be willing to pass this message on to him, I would very much
appreciate it.

I would like to invite him to join the provincial weblist at
austrorientalis@yahoogroups.com; so he could become aware of the events
and plans going on in his province. We also have a website at
bravehost, too.

If any other Nova Romans are living in America Austrorientalis (TN, NC,
SC, GA, FL, AL, GA, LA, MS, and AR) and read this message, please join
the provincial weblist and review the archives to discover the
activities here in Austrorientalis. You may also contact me at
padruigtheuncle@... for more detailed information.

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48297 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Looking for APPIUS IULIUS AGELASTUS
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Propraetor Austrorientalis SPD.

I am attempting to contact Appius Iulius Agelastus, a citizen listed
for America Austrorientalis. If anyone knows how to contact him or
would be willing to pass this message on to him, I would very much
appreciate it.

I would like to invite him to join the provincial weblist at
austrorientalis@yahoogroups.com; so he could become aware of the events
and plans going on in his province. We also have a website at
bravehost, too.

If any other Nova Romans are living in America Austrorientalis (TN, NC,
SC, GA, FL, AL, GA, LA, MS, and AR) and read this message, please join
the provincial weblist and review the archives to discover the
activities here in Austrorientalis. You may also contact me at
padruigtheuncle@... for more detailed information.

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48298 From: pjane Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: never mind
I see someone was ahead of me in posting the news about Publius
Livius. Apologies, and I hope the moderators catch this and delete the
postings.

P. Cassia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48299 From: pjane Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Death of Publius Livius Triarius
Dick Eney, also known as Diccon Frankborn and Publius Livius Triarius,
died Dec. 22 of a stroke at age 69. His widow, Tamar Lindsay,
continues to receive mail at his address, dicconf@..., and
condolences may be sent there. She has sent word that contributions in
his memory may be made to a charity of your choice, and that there are
no plans for a funeral, though a memorial service may be held at a
later date.

Having met him several times, I can say that he was highly
intelligent, well-read, quiet in groups but a thoughtful and
interesting person to listen to once he got started. He was kind and
considerate of others without sacrificing his own strong opinions. He
will be greatly missed at this year's MithraCon.

Patricia Cassia
pjane@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48300 From: mutundehre Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Provinciae Germania
Salve Scholastica,

thank you very much for your response. Yes it seems that our
Gubernator Conservatus is very busy and has hardly time to check his
mailbox, that´s why we receive the response that his mailbox is
currently overflowing and can not accept any more e-mails.
A pitty as I would really like to get in contact with him.

Vale Bene
Titus Flavius Aquila





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
<fororom@...> wrote:
>
> > A. Tullia Scholastica T. Flávió Aquilae quirítibus S.P.D.
> >
> >
> >
> > Provinciae Germania
> >
> > Honorable Gubernator Conservate ,
> >
> > unfortunately I have not received any response concerning my e-
mails I had
> > sent to you, that?s why I have
> > to use this way to get in contact with you, I know you might be
very busy
> > and if there is anything I can help
> > you with , please let me know.
> >
> > ATS: Unfortunately, Conservátus has not been as active in NR
as he had
> > been in the past, and had had to move out of the province at least
> > temporarily, though I believe he has returned. We miss his
excellent Latin on
> > the ML, but it seems that his work is very demanding and he
cannot lay it
> > aside very often any more.
> >
> > I really would like to strengthen the Provinciae Germania. Any
citizen of
> > the Provinciae Germania I would
> > kindly ask you to get in contact with me so we can plan on the
next steps
> > and to get known to each other.
> >
> > My heart and soul are with Nova Roma and I am willing to devote
my time
> > and my strength for a successful
> > Provinciae Germania within Nova Roma.
> >
> > Vale optime
> > Titus Flavius Aquila
> >
> > Valé, et valéte.
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48301 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Looking for IULIUS TITINIUS ANTONIUS
Salve Flavi Galeri,

Information sent via private e-mail. Please let me know if it doesn't work.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

"Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...> writes:

> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Propraetor Austrorientalis SPD.
>
> I am attempting to contact Iulius Titinius Antonius, a citizen listed
> for America Austrorientalis. If anyone knows how to contact him or
> would be willing to pass this message on to him, I would very much
> appreciate it.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48302 From: mike orley Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Sad news.
D.Svetonivs Lvpvs T.Lindsay

Salve Domina:

I'm a relative newcomer to the Nova Roma community, and while I did not have the opportunity to know Richard, I would like to offer my condolences on behalf of myself and my wife, Sharon.

In my brief time with the NR community, I've found in this community, a warm spirit of "famiglia" and in this time would offer to you the the thought that your pain is our pain and your loss is our loss.

Tuesday, Richard will be remembered at our morning services at our church. Also, we have Lindsays/Lindseys in our small Scots Community here and we will pass this on to their Clan Chief, so their Piper will play for him.

Vale, Beatum Lucem vobis..
D.Svetonivs Lvpvs

dicconf <dicconf@...> wrote:

Dick had a stroke, apparently one of a series that had passed unnoticed
because the symptoms were atypical until the one last night.
The doctors at Prince George's Hospital operated to remove the clot,
but the complications that followed were untreatable.

Richard Harris Eney died this afternoon, December 22, 2006.
He was 69 years old.

Plans have not been made yet. I do not intend to do the standard
funeral scene. There may be a memorial service at some time.
In lieu of flowers, please make a donation to the charity of your
choice.

=Tamar Lindsay




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48303 From: dicconf Date: 2006-12-25
Subject: Re: Sad news.
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, mike orley wrote:

> D.Svetonivs Lvpvs T.Lindsay
>
> Salve Domina:
>
> I'm a relative newcomer to the Nova Roma community, and while I did not
> have the opportunity to know Richard, I would like to offer my
> condolences on behalf of myself and my wife, Sharon.

Thank you all.

> In my brief time with the NR community, I've found in this community, a
> warm spirit of "famiglia" and in this time would offer to you the the
> thought that your pain is our pain and your loss is our loss.
>
> Tuesday, Richard will be remembered at our morning services at our
> church. Also, we have Lindsays/Lindseys in our small Scots Community
> here and we will pass this on to their Clan Chief, so their Piper will
> play for him.

Um... My surname is Lindsay because I chose to keep my maiden name,
but his surname was Eney. Nevertheless, I would not be surprised to
find that he had some Scots in him, so if you wish to have him piped
for, I think that would be very appropriate.

=Tamar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48304 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-26
Subject: a.d. VII Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VII Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies fastus est.

"There is another legend related by the inhabitants, to the effect
that before the reign of Jupiter Saturn was lord in this land and that
the celebrated manner of life in his reign, abounding in the produce
of every season, was enjoyed by none more than them. And, indeed, if
anyone, setting aside the fabulous part of this account, will examine
the merit of any country from which mankind received the greatest
enjoyments immediately after their birth, whether they sprang from the
earth, according to the ancient tradition, or came into being in some
other manner, he will find none more beneficent to them than this.
For, to compare one country with another of the same extent, Italy is,
in my opinion, the best country, not only of Europe, but even of all
the rest of the world. And yet I am not unaware that I shall not be
believed by many when they reflect on Egypt, Libya, Babylonia and any
other fertile countries there may be. But I, for my part, do not limit
the wealth derived from the soil to one sort of produce, nor do I feel
any eagerness to live where there are only rich arable lands and
little or nothing else that is useful; but I account that country the
best which is the most self-sufficient and generally stands least in
need of imported commodities. And I am persuaded that Italy enjoys
this universal fertility and diversity of advantages beyond any other
land.

For Italy does not, while possessing a great deal of good arable land,
lack trees, as does a grain-bearing country; nor, on the other hand,
while suitable for growing all manner of trees, does it, when sown to
grain, produce scanty crops, as does a timbered country; nor yet,
while yielding both grain and trees in abundance, is it unsuitable for
the grazing of cattle; nor can anyone say that, while it bears rich
produce of crops and timber and herds, it is nevertheless disagreeable
for men to live in. Nay, on the contrary, it abounds in practically
everything that affords either pleasure or profit. To what
grain-bearing country, indeed, watered, not with rivers, but with
rains from heaven, do the plains of Campania yield, in which I have
seen fields that produce even three crops in a year, summer's harvest
following upon that of when and autumn's upon that of summer? To what
olive orchards are those of the Messapians, the Daunians, the Sabines
and many others inferior? To what vineyards those of Tyrrhenia and the
Alban and the Falernian districts, where the soil is wonderfully kind
to vines and with the least labour produces the finest grapes in the
greatest abundance? And besides the land that is cultivated one will
find much that is left untilled as pasturage for sheep and goats, and
still more extensive and more wonderful is the land suitable for
grazing horses and cattle; for not only the marsh and meadow grass,
which is very plentiful, but the dewy and well-watered grass of the
glades, infinite in its abundance, furnish grazing for them in summer
as well as in winter and keep them always in good condition. section
4But most wonderful of all are the forests growing upon the rocky
heights, in the glens and on the uncultivated hills, from which the
inhabitants are abundantly supplied with fine timber suitable for the
building of ships as well as for all other purposes. nor are any of
these materials hard to come at or at a distance from human need, but
they are easy to handle and readily available, owing to the multitude
of rivers that flow through the whole peninsula and make the
transportation and exchange of everything the land produces
inexpensive. Springs also of hot water have been discovered in many
places, affording most pleasant baths and sovereign cures for chronic
ailments. There are also mines of all sorts, plenty of wild beasts for
hunting, and a great variety of sea fish, besides innumerable other
things, some useful and others of a nature to excite wonder. But the
finest thing of all is the climate, admirably tempered by the seasons,
so that less than elsewhere is harm done by excessive cold or
inordinate heat either to the growing fruits and grains or to the
bodies of animals." - Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities"
1.36-37


In ancient Egypt, today was celebrated as the birthday of the god
Horus. Horus is the falcon-headed god, the son of the goddess Isis
and the god Osiris. Seth caused the death of his brother Osiris, the
first king of Egypt, and seized his throne. Isis retrieved the
fourteen pieces of her husband's body, reconstructed it, and hovered
over it in the form of a sparrowhawk, fanning enough life back into
him for her to conceive a son, Horus. She knew Seth would harm her
child, so she fled the Nile delta and gave birth to Horus at Chemmis
near Buto. With the assistance of other deities, such as the goddesses
Hathor and Selqet, Isis raised Horus until he was old enough to
challenge Seth and claim his royal inheritance.

Amun-Re, the sun god, invited Horus and Seth to put their cases before
the Ennead, a tribunal of the gods. Seth declared that he should be
king because only he was strong enough to defend the sun during its
nightly voyage through the underworld. Some deities accepted this
argument, but Isis persuaded them to change their minds. Seth refused
to proceed with Isis there, so he adjourned the tribunal to an island
to which Isis was refused access. However, the goddess bribed Nemty,
ferryman of the gods, to take her across. Then she tricked Seth into
agreeing that it was wrong for a son to have his inheritance stolen.
Seth complained about her trickery and the gods punished Nemty by
cutting off his toes. Further confrontations between Horus and Seth
proved inconclusive, and in some writings their battle continues for
all eternity; the more common ending is that the gods wrote to Osiris,
who threatened to send demons to the realm of the gods if Horus was
not made king of Egypt at once. Not surprisingly, the gods chose
Horus' side.

Horus has many names, and the Pharoah was considered to be the living
embodiment of the god. Horus' right eye is the Sun and his left eye
is the Moon, and depictions of his eye, the Wedjat, are among the most
common and recognizable symbols of all ancient Egypt. In the course
of his battle with Seth, his left eye, the Moon, was injured; Thoth,
the god of writing, magic, and wisdom, re-assembled the Moon, and its
destruction and re-building is mirrored in the phases of the Moon.
The name Horus comes from the Egyptian word Hor, which translates as
"face". We find him worshipped as Mekhenti-irry which translates as
"He who has on his brow Two Eyes", the sun and moon representing his
eyes. On nights when there is no moon we find him worshipped as
Mekhenti-en-irty, "He who on his brow has no eyes", in this form he
was considered the god of the blind.

As Horus Behudety, Horus represents the midday sun, and is symbolized
by the winged sun disc. As Harmakhet, Horus represents the rising
Sun, and is represented by the human- or ram-headed lion, the Sphinx.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Wikipedia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48305 From: James Mathews Date: 2006-12-26
Subject: "Pilum" Article Series -- #2-- Canal Construction In the Ancient Wo
--Ancient Canal Builders (Part II)--

There is much in ancient history written of the canal and how it shaped the world and it's history. It is named in peace and war, both as a means for the prosperity of a kingdom and as a vengeance against the enemy be he a people or an inanimate object. To the Egyptians the Nile River was sacred. It was on the broad bosom of the Nile that sailed the vessel of the Goddess Isis in search of the body of Osirius.

Of the first great canal builder we know little except what is portrayed on a surprisingly detailed and beautifully carved mace head. This carving now resides in the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford. (1)

The great man is skillfully portrayed on the surface of the mace head in sharp relief. He is called by historians "King Scorpion" due to both a carved scorpion and a seven petaled lotus flower, which are placed close to his person. Historians believe that the combination of these two carvings must covey to the observer his name. We do not know of his history or of his greatest accomplishments beyond that which is carved into this remarkable work. However, in this writing it is exactly that carving that we are most concerned with. (2)

The man's image is portrayed as holding a hoe in both of his hands while wearing the great crown of Upper Egypt. His size is three times the size of the other figures on the carving, and he is shown receiving an offering of a basket of some produce by one man, while another offers him some other kind of produce. This figure stands on a bank probably of a canal, while standards are displayed before him while he is cooled by the fans of fan bearers. Below where he stands the workers , carved at one-third his size busily work on the canal banks, while perhaps a messenger from King Scorpion rushes to deliver to them a royal message. There is also here carved a palm tree and what may be simply a reed fence, but as the artist who carved this great royal mace has shown it, there is the possibility that it may be not a matted fence, but rather a canal gate, or sluice through which water is moved through, into and out of the canal proper.

The carving is very well done, and transmits to the viewer the many aspects of the scene; the workmen's efforts to complete their tasks, as well as the stature and bearing of a king. Further we may determine from the fact that the event is remembered in this way, that this activity had some great meaning for this mysterious man, warrior, king or pharaoh.

This carving then gives great meaning to the fact that canals were well known in history and that their construction and usage was of great value to the ancient world.

All we really know of the "Scorpion King" is that he was designated as a follower of Horus. He may have inherited, commanded, or conquered a portion of the Nile Delta, and on the site of ancient Thinia which is found near the present day Abydos, are some very old structures (monuments??) which carry the carved sign of the scorpion.

A later Egyptian King of the First Dynasty is also portrayed by Herodotus as a man who used canals for his own purposes. King Menes brought under one political unification the Valley of the Nile River, and also brought the Nile Delta area under his cognizance as well. It is said that this king who lived in approximately 3000 B. C. selected Memphis on the Nile as the place for his city. His view of the undertaking was to dig a completely new riverbed for the Nile, by damming the river some distance below Memphis and turning the entire river into another channel. Having provided a fertile bed for his people, from the old Nile Channel, it was here that he decided to built his city. Seeing the need for a reservoir of some size, Menes then caused a wide lake / reservoir to be dug further up the old Nile Channel from his city. When this project was completed he had the lake connected to the Nile River in it's new channel with a canal. Thus, the city of the King of Menes was within the protective confines of the Nile, lake and canal. These three construction projects provided a significant barrier against any attack by his enemies.

Herodotus informs us that he was told in all seriousness that not one of the three-hundred and fifty kings of Egypt who followed Menes was equal to him in their accomplishments.(3)


--(1), Robert Payne, "The Canal Builders, The Story Of Canal Engineers Through The Ages," The Macmillan Company, New York, 1959, Pages 10-12; (hereafter known as Payne);

--(2), Payne, Page 11, Mace Head of King Scorpion;

--(3), Payne, Page 12.

(To Be Continued)

Respectfully Submitted;

Marcus Audens



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48306 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Contacting citizens in America Austrorientalis
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Propraetor Austrorientalis SPD.

As the holiday season begins to wind down, I have a very special
request for all the members of this list. If you are in contact with
any provincial citizens of Austrorientalis who are not members of the
provincial weblist, please contact them by email, phone, or whatever
other means you have and ask them to join.

Also, if you know of any reenactors, SCAdians, living historians, or
other individuals who might be interested in becoming active in our
organization, try to persuade them to join Nova Roma and the
provincial weblist (if they live in the provincial borders).

You can also contact the paterfamilias or materfamilias of your gens
or domus to find out if there are other citizens of this province
that we can contact & ask to join us.

As we are about to begin a new year with a mostly new administration,
it is very important to persuade new people to join Nova Roma and
become active participants in America Austrorientalis; along with all
current citizens in all the provinces and Italia Mater.

We had six events sponsored by provincial citizens this past year--
Lupercalia, Bacchanalia, Neptunalia, Regio Georgia Convivium,
Nocturnalia, and Saturnalia--where both Nova Romans and non-citizens
participated. To the best of my knowledge, no other province in all
Nova Roma held so many functions. We should also be pleased that one
of our citizens, Violentilla Galeria Saltarix, consecrated and
dedicated a shrine to Neptunus Pater on her property, that is open to
all citizens of Nova Roma.

I want to thank all of you who have contacted me to volunteer your
time and energy to making this such a wonderful province and I hope
that we will all be able to meet & get to know one another, in 2760.

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48307 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: a.d. VI Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VI Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"It is no wonder, therefore, that the ancients looked upon this
country as sacred to Saturn, since they esteemed this god to be the
giver and accomplisher of all happiness to mankind,— whether he ought
to be called Cronus, as the Greeks deem fitting, or Saturn, as do the
Romans, — and regarded him as embracing the whole universe, by
whichever name he is called, and since they saw this country abounding
in universal plenty and every charm mankind craves, and judged those
places to be most agreeable both to divine and to human beings that
are suited to them — for example, the mountains and woods to Pan, the
meadows and verdant places to the nymphs, the shores and islands to
the sea-gods, and all there places to the god or genius to whom each
is appropriate. It is said also that the ancients sacrificed human
victims to Saturn, as was done at Carthage while that city stood and
as is there is done to this day among the Gauls and certain other
western nations, and that Hercules, desiring to abolish the custom of
this sacrifice, erected the altar upon the Saturnian hill and
performed the initial rites of sacrifice with unblemished victims
burning on a pure fire. And lest the people should feel any scruple at
having neglected their traditional sacrifices, he taught them to
appease the anger of the god by making effigies resembling the men
they had been wont to bind hand and foot and throw into the stream of
the Tiber, and dressing these in the same manner, to throw them into
the river instead of the men, his purpose being that any superstitious
dread remaining in the minds of all might be removed, since the
semblance of the ancient rite would still be preserved. This the
Romans continued to do every year even down to my day a little after
the vernal equinox, in the month of May, on what they call the Ides
(the day they mean to be the middle of the month); on this day, after
offering the preliminary sacrifices according to the laws, the
pontifices, as the most important of the priests are called, and with
them the virgins who guard the perpetual fire, the praetors, and such
of the other citizens as may lawfully be present at the rites, throw
from the sacred bridge into the stream of the Tiber thirty effigies
made in the likeness of men, which they call Argei. But concerning
the sacrifices and the other rites which the Roman people perform
according to the manner both of the Greeks and of their own country I
shall speak in another book. At present, it seems requisite to give a
more particular account of the arrival of Hercules in Italy and to
omit nothing worthy of notice that he did there.

Of the stories told concerning this god some are largely legend and
some are nearer the truth. The legendary account of his arrival is as
follows: Hercules, being commanded by Eurystheus, among other labours,
to drive Geryon's cattle from Erytheia to Argos, performed the task
and having passed through many parts of Italy on his way home, came
also to the neighbourhood of Pallantium in the country of the
Aborigines; and there, finding much excellent grass for his cattle, he
let them graze, and being overcome with weariness, lay down and gave
himself over to sleep. Thereupon a robber of that region, named Cacus,
chanced to come upon the cattle feeding with none to guard them and
longed to possess them. But seeing Hercules lying there asleep, he
imagined he could not drive them all away without being discovered and
at the same time he perceived that the task was no easy one, either.
So he secreted a few of them in the cave hard by, in which he lived,
dragging each of them thither by the tail backwards. This might have
destroyed all evidence of his theft, as the direction in which the
oxen had gone would be at variance with their tracks. Hercules, then,
arising from sleep soon afterwards, and having counted the cattle and
found some were missing, was for some time at a loss to guess where
they had gone, and supposing them to have strayed from their pasture,
he sought them up and down the region; then, when he failed to find
them, he came to the cave, and though he was deceived by the tracks,
he felt, nevertheless, that he ought to search the place. But Cacus
stood before the door, and when Hercules inquired after the cattle,
denied that he had seen them, and when the other desired to search his
cave, would not suffer him to do so, to be called upon his neighbours
for assistance, complaining of the violence offered to him by the
stranger. And while Hercules was puzzled to know how he should act in
the matter, he hit upon the expedient of driving the rest of the
cattle to the cave. And thus, when those inside heard the lowing and
perceived the smell of their companions outside, they bellowed to them
in turn and thus their lowing betrayed the theft. Cacus, therefore,
when his thievery was thus brought to light, put himself upon his
defence and began to call out to his fellow herdsmen. But Hercules
killed him by smiting him with his club and drove out the cattle; and
when he saw that the place was well adapted to the harbouring of
evil-doers, he demolished the cave, burying the robber under its
ruins. Then, having purified himself in the river from the murder, he
erected an altar near the place to Jupiter the Discoverer, which is
now in Rome near the Porta Trigemina, and sacrificed a calf to the god
as a thank-offering for the finding of his cattle. This sacrifice the
city of Rome continued to celebrate even down to my day, observing in
it all the ceremonies of the Greeks just as he instituted them." -
Dionysis of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities", 1.38-39


"After having been twice driven back by heavy southwestern gales, Her
Majesty's Ship Beagle, a ten-gun brig, under the command of Captain
Fitz Roy, R. N., sailed from Devonport on the 27th of December, 1831.
The object of the expedition was to complete the survey of Patagonia
and Tierra del Fuego, commenced under Captain King in 1826 to 1830, --
to survey the shores of Chile, Peru, and of some islands in the
Pacific—and to carry a chain of chronometrical measurements round the
World." - Charles Darwin, "The Voyage of the Beagle", which set sail
on 27 December 1831


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysis of Halicarnassus, Darwin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48308 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Cartago trilogy
Salvete,

I´ve just finished the most sad Cartago Trilogy of Patrick Girard. Has
someone read it as well? I´d like to change impressions...

--
Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus

"Vigilando, agendo, bene consulendo, prospera omnia cedunt" - Salustius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48309 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Information request
Salvete Nova Romans

Could those citizens who are university, college or secondary
teachers please drop me a note to that effect.

Please include your macro-national name, your Roman name, the
institution where you are employed as a teacher as well as the name
of the institution where you received your highest degree, the field
it is in and the level, Doctorate or Masters.

Any citizen who holds a Doctorate or a Masters in any field but is
not employed as a teacher is also asked to drop me a note with the
same information.


Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul-Elect 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48310 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

What is your intention? You are asking for people's personal information
without reason. It would be nice to know your justification for this
request.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul
Censor-elect

On 12/27/06, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Nova Romans
>
> Could those citizens who are university, college or secondary
> teachers please drop me a note to that effect.
>
> Please include your macro-national name, your Roman name, the
> institution where you are employed as a teacher as well as the name
> of the institution where you received your highest degree, the field
> it is in and the level, Doctorate or Masters.
>
> Any citizen who holds a Doctorate or a Masters in any field but is
> not employed as a teacher is also asked to drop me a note with the
> same information.
>
> Valete
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Consul-Elect 2760
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48311 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Salve Consul Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

Oh.

I need the information for a project on scholarships I am working on for next year.
If some citizens world prefer not to send me this information that is perfectly fine.

You will note it was made in plain sight, it was labeled a request and a request
can be turned down. It is up to the individual to determine if they want me to have
the information or not.

I have also been a magistrate of Nova Roma a number of times and have
never once misused the personal or privileged information given to my care.
I would think that given my record on this score a prima-facie case could
be made that I will use this information in a like manner.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus




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From: David Kling (Modianus)<mailto:tau.athanasios@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Information request


Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

What is your intention? You are asking for people's personal information
without reason. It would be nice to know your justification for this
request.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Consul
Censor-elect

On 12/27/06, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus <spqr753@...<mailto:spqr753@...>> wrote:
>
> Salvete Nova Romans
>
> Could those citizens who are university, college or secondary
> teachers please drop me a note to that effect.
>
> Please include your macro-national name, your Roman name, the
> institution where you are employed as a teacher as well as the name
> of the institution where you received your highest degree, the field
> it is in and the level, Doctorate or Masters.
>
> Any citizen who holds a Doctorate or a Masters in any field but is
> not employed as a teacher is also asked to drop me a note with the
> same information.
>
> Valete
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Consul-Elect 2760
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48312 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

No need to get defensive. There are surely citizens in Nova Roma who do not
know you well and might be reluctant to simply give up personal
information. Detailing why you are asking for information is usually a good
idea.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus


On 12/27/06, Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Consul Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> Oh.
>
> I need the information for a project on scholarships I am working on for
> next year.
> If some citizens world prefer not to send me this information that is
> perfectly fine.
>
> You will note it was made in plain sight, it was labeled a request and a
> request
> can be turned down. It is up to the individual to determine if they want
> me to have
> the information or not.
>
> I have also been a magistrate of Nova Roma a number of times and have
> never once misused the personal or privileged information given to my
> care.
> I would think that given my record on this score a prima-facie case could
> be made that I will use this information in a like manner.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48313 From: Peter Bird Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline

I am still a part-time secondary teacher (semi-retired since September) –
name Peter Bird, degree BA from University of London.

Vale bene!

Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus



_____

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Sent: 27 December 2006 16:05
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Information request



Salvete Nova Romans

Could those citizens who are university, college or secondary
teachers please drop me a note to that effect.

Please include your macro-national name, your Roman name, the
institution where you are employed as a teacher as well as the name
of the institution where you received your highest degree, the field
it is in and the level, Doctorate or Masters.

Any citizen who holds a Doctorate or a Masters in any field but is
not employed as a teacher is also asked to drop me a note with the
same information.

Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul-Elect 2760




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48314 From: Jorge Hernandez Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Cartago trilogy
I haven't read it but the title sounds interesting. Is it perhaps something to do with Punic Wars?
G. Antonius Mulus

Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@...> wrote: Salvete,

I´ve just finished the most sad Cartago Trilogy of Patrick Girard. Has
someone read it as well? I´d like to change impressions...

--
Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus

"Vigilando, agendo, bene consulendo, prospera omnia cedunt" - Salustius




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48315 From: J Auger Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Salve,
I am also a part-time secondary teacher and tutor in Manchester, NH. My name is Joshua Auger, degree BA from Notre Dame College with some graduate study at Rivier College.
Valete,
Gallus Cassius Augurius

Peter Bird <p.bird@...> wrote:
Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline

I am still a part-time secondary teacher (semi-retired since September) –
name Peter Bird, degree BA from University of London.

Vale bene!

Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus

_____

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Sent: 27 December 2006 16:05
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Information request

Salvete Nova Romans

Could those citizens who are university, college or secondary
teachers please drop me a note to that effect.

Please include your macro-national name, your Roman name, the
institution where you are employed as a teacher as well as the name
of the institution where you received your highest degree, the field
it is in and the level, Doctorate or Masters.

Any citizen who holds a Doctorate or a Masters in any field but is
not employed as a teacher is also asked to drop me a note with the
same information.

Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul-Elect 2760

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48316 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Vox Romana Saturnalia Podcast is Here! IO SATURNALIA!
---Pompeia Marca Hortenia Maior Quiritibus sal.

I finally had a chance to enjoy the podcast tonight, after a rather
busy few days 'doing the holiday thing'.

My thanks and applause for yet another excellent program produced by
Marca Hortensia Maior et al. You are an excellent narrator, amica!
Always good to hear the voices of other Novae Romae, and with one
voice singing...that of Emilia Curia Finnica.

Keep up the good work. Very enjoyable.

I encourage everyone to click on the link below and take it in.

Valete Omnes


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites:
> the Saturnalia special podcast is ready & waiting for
your
> enjoyment. As always there is news, beginners latin dialogue,
advanced
> latin & Christmas carols in latin! Please here are fab consul-
elect L.
> Arminius Faustus, our pontiff Cn. Salvius Astur of Hispania, and
> Emilia Curia Finnica of Academia Thules showing the right stuff.
> I'm so proud the cast covers 3 continents! South America,
North
> America & Europe. Nova Roma truly covers the world.
> So just download from itunes under 'vox romana' or go to the
> webpage & listen directly.
>
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/
>
> IO SATURNALIA!
> M. Hortensia Maior
> producer Vox Romana podcast
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48317 From: mike orley Date: 2006-12-27
Subject: Re: Information request
Salvete Omnes:

My macro world name is Michael P. Orley, I teach high school World History, American History, English and some ESOL courses. Also teach related coursework for Special Ed.

Also teach ELL coursework, GED Studies for Adult Basic Ed.

B. A. Humanities from Rollins College, Winter Park, Florida, Minor in Philosophy/Religion

Attended Florida State University, where I took post gradual coursework in Art History of Ancient/Medieval Civilizations.

Attended Institute of Christian Studies, Orlando, Florida.
Where I pursued coursework in Old/New Testament History
Liturgics, and coursework for Ordained Diaconate.
Currently Sub Decanus Ecclaesiae Anglocorum.

Valete Omnes,
D.SvetonivsLvpvs


J Auger <augerjosh@...> wrote:
Salve,
I am also a part-time secondary teacher and tutor in Manchester, NH. My name is Joshua Auger, degree BA from Notre Dame College with some graduate study at Rivier College.
Valete,
Gallus Cassius Augurius

Peter Bird
wrote:
Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline

I am still a part-time secondary teacher (semi-retired since September) –
name Peter Bird, degree BA from University of London.

Vale bene!

Sextus Pontius Pilatus Barbatus

_____

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Sent: 27 December 2006 16:05
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Information request

Salvete Nova Romans

Could those citizens who are university, college or secondary
teachers please drop me a note to that effect.

Please include your macro-national name, your Roman name, the
institution where you are employed as a teacher as well as the name
of the institution where you received your highest degree, the field
it is in and the level, Doctorate or Masters.

Any citizen who holds a Doctorate or a Masters in any field but is
not employed as a teacher is also asked to drop me a note with the
same information.

Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul-Elect 2760

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48318 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-28
Subject: a.d. V Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem V Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"But the story which comes nearer to the truth and which has been
adopted by many who have narrated his deeds in the form of history is
as follows: Hercules, who was the greatest commander of his age,
marched at the head of a large force through all the country that lies
on this side of the Ocean, destroying any despotisms that were
grievous and oppressive to their subjects, or commonwealths that
outraged and injured the neighbouring states, or organized bands of
men who lived in the manner of savages and lawlessly put strangers to
death, and in their room establishing lawful monarchies, well-ordered
governments and humane and sociable modes of life. Furthermore, he
mingled barbarians with Greeks, and inhabitants of the inland with
dwellers on the sea coast, groups which hitherto had been distrustful
and unsocial in their dealings with each other; he also built cities
in desert places, turned the course of rivers that overflowed the
fields, cut roads through inaccessible mountains, and contrived other
means by which every land and sea might lie open to the use of all
mankind. And he came into Italy not alone nor yet bringing a herd of
cattle (for neither does this country lies on the road of those
returning from Spain to Argos nor would he have been deemed worthy of
so great an honour merely for passing through it), but at the head of
a great army, after he had already conquered Spain, in order to
subjugate and rule the people in this region; and he was obliged to
tarry there a considerable time both because of the absence of his
fleet, due to stormy weather that detained it, and because not all the
nations of Italy willingly submitted to him. For, besides the other
barbarians, the Ligurians, a numerous and warlike people seated in the
passes of the Alps, endeavoured to prevent his entrance into Italy by
force of arms, and in that place so great a battle was fought by the
Greeks that all their missiles gave out in the course of the fighting.
This war is mentioned by Aeschylus, among the ancient poets, in his
Prometheus Unbound; for there Prometheus is represented as foretelling
to Hercules in detail how everything else was to befall him on his
expedition against Geryon and in particular recounting to him the
difficult struggle he was to have in the war with the Ligurians. The
verses are these:

'And thou shalt come to Liguria's dauntless host,
Where no fault shalt thou find, bold though thou art,
With the fray: 'tis fated thy missiles all shall fail.'

After Hercules had defeated this people and gained the passes, some
delivered up their cities to him of their own accord, particularly
those who were any other Greek extraction or who had no considerable
forces; but the greatest part of them were reduced by war and siege.
Among those who were conquered in battle, they say, was Cacus, who is
celebrated in the Roman legend, an exceedingly barbarous chieftain
reigning over a savage people, who had set himself to oppose Hercules;
he was established in the fastnesses and on that account was a pest to
his neighbours. He, when he heard that Hercules lay encamped in the
plain hard by, equipped his followers like brigands and making a
sudden raid while the army lay sleeping, he surrounded and drove off
as much of their booty as he found unguarded. Afterwards, being
besieged by the Greeks, he not only saw his forts taken by storm, but
was himself slain amid his fastnesses. And when his forts had been
demolished, those who had accompanied Hercules on the expedition
(these were some Arcadians with Evander, and Faunus, king of the
Aborigines) took over the districts round about, each group for
itself. And it may be conjecture days that those of the Greeks who
remained there, that is, the Epeans and the Arcadians from Pheneus, as
well as the Trojans, were left to guard the country. For among the
various measures of Hercules that bespoke the true general none was
more worthy of admiration than his practice of carrying along with him
for a time on his expeditions the prisoners taken from the captured
cities, and then, after they had cheerfully assisted him in his wars,
settling them in the conquered regions and bestowing on them the
riches he had gained from others. It was because of these deeds that
Hercules gained the greatest name and renown in Italy, and not because
of his passage through it, which was attended by nothing worthy of
veneration.

Some say that he also left sons by two women in the region now
inhabited by the Romans. One of these sons was Pallas, whom he had by
the daughter of Evander, whose name, they say, was Lavinia; the other,
Latinus, whose mother was a certain Hyperborean girl whom he brought
with him as a hostage given to him by her father and preserved for
some time untouched; but while he was on his voyage to Italy, he fell
in love with her and got her with child. And when he was preparing to
leave for Argos, he married her to Faunus, king of the Aborigines; for
which reason Latinus is generally looked upon as the son of Faunus,
not of Hercules. Pallas, they say, died before he arrived at puberty;
but Latinus, upon reaching man's estate, succeeded to the kingdom of
the Aborigines, and when he was killed in the battle against the
neighbouring Rutulians, without leaving any male issue, the kingdom
devolved on Aeneas, the son of Anchises, his son-in‑law. But
these things happened at other times." - Dionysis of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquities", 1.41-43


"And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth
to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his
mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee
word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he
arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed
into Egypt: and was there until the death of Herod: that it might be
fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 'Out of
Egypt have I called my son.' Then Herod, when he saw that he was
mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew
all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts
thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he
had diligently inquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which
was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, 'In Rama was there a voice
heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping
for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.'"
- The Gospel According to St. Matthew 2:13-18 (KJV)

"In consequence probably of the feeling of horror attached to such an
act of atrocity, Innocents' Day used to be reckoned about the most
unlucky through-out the year, and in former times, no one who could
possibly avoid it, began any work, or entered on any undertaking, on
this anniversary. To marry on Childermas Day was especially
inauspicious. It is said of the equally superstitious and unprincipled
monarch, Louis XI, that he would never perform any business, or
enter into any discussion about his affairs on this day, and to make
to him then any proposal of the kind, was certain to exasperate him to
the utmost. We are informed, too, that in England, on the occasion of
the coronation of King Edward IV, that solemnity, which had been
originally intended to take place on a Sunday, was postponed till the
Monday, owing to the former day being in that year the festival of
Childermas. This idea of the inauspicious nature of the day was long
prevalent, and is even yet not wholly extinct. To the present hour we
understand the housewives in Cornwall, and probably also in other
parts of the country, refrain scrupulously from scouring or scrubbing
on Innocents' Day." - Chamber's Book of Days, Philadelphia: J. B.
Lippincott & Co. (1879)

Today is the feast of the Holy Innocents (in the old style
"Childermas"), in honor of the children slain at Herod the Great's
order to try to kill the child Jesus. This attempt led Joseph to take
Mary and Jesus away to Egypt, where they lived until Herod had died.


Valete bene!

Cato




SOURCES

Dionysis of Halicarnassus, Childermas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48319 From: leansors Date: 2006-12-28
Subject: Re: What are your 3 favorite real life or fictional civilizations a
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <gregbaxter_7777@...> wrote:
>
> Including and in addition to the Roman civilization (if that's a
> personal favorite) what are your 3 or even 4 personal favorite
> civilizations – be it any real life ones (from any period in earth
> history), or any fictional past or future made up civilizations
> (created in any admired fiction books) and please say why you admire
> each one, for each favorite civilization named.
>
I have interesting in ancient egipt, medieval japan,and cruzade times,
I guess a very interesting time full of conflicts and things hapening
around the world.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48320 From: leansors Date: 2006-12-28
Subject: Re: What are your 3 favorite real life or fictional civilizations a
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Shoshana Hathaway"
<shoshanahathaway@...> wrote:
>
> Hmmm. Aside from Rome, (although my favorite period during the
Roman era is the late Republic and the transition to the Empire), I
enjoy Elizabethan England, The period from the reign of Edward IV
through Bosworth Field, and the culture of Aquitaine during the time
of Eleonore ...the Courts of Love. Other periods of history interest
me, (in fact, I'll read just about well written history), but these
are my absolute favorites.
>
> In Fantasy:
> 1. The world(s) of Dune by Franks Herbert (and later his son).
> 2. Stephen A. Donaldson's Land, as seen in the Chronicles of
Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever.
> 3. The World of the Gunslinger, by Stephen King.
>
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
You are a romantic girl! Are beautyful times isn't?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48321 From: mike orley Date: 2006-12-28
Subject: Re: What are your 3 favorite real life or fictional civilizations a
D. Svetonius Lvpvs et al: S.P.D.

Salvete Omnes:

I've been following this thread for some time, trying to sort out my favorite groups/civilizations.

1. Roman History leads the way, particularly as in the Old Republic, I also enjoy that twilight period, when Rome was leaving Britain and Western Europe was beginning to develop individual identities.

2. Celtic Civilizations, particulalry as applied to Ancient Scotland.
My ancestral roots are from there, and I belong to a Scots Clan Association. House of Gordon, USA. We are neither reenactors, or SCA, but descendants of various families and septs of Scots clans.

3. Probably Ancient Mesopotamian Societies, and the oft neglected African Kingdoms of Cush Meroe, etc. I'm fascnated by the Egyptian Cultural influences, as well as the evoloution of church building in Ethiopia, during the period of The Early Church.

Fantasy:

Cannot say that I have any particular Fantasy Civilizations, though as a boy, I read Ryder Haggard's "SHE" and have been fascinated by the strength and dimensionality of "Ayesha:, so I \have a fascination with the Legendary Queen of Sheba.

Valete Omnes !

D.Svetonivs Lvpvs.

leansors <leansors@...> wrote:
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Shoshana Hathaway"
wrote:
>
> Hmmm. Aside from Rome, (although my favorite period during the
Roman era is the late Republic and the transition to the Empire), I
enjoy Elizabethan England, The period from the reign of Edward IV
through Bosworth Field, and the culture of Aquitaine during the time
of Eleonore ...the Courts of Love. Other periods of history interest
me, (in fact, I'll read just about well written history), but these
are my absolute favorites.
>
> In Fantasy:
> 1. The world(s) of Dune by Franks Herbert (and later his son).
> 2. Stephen A. Donaldson's Land, as seen in the Chronicles of
Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever.
> 3. The World of the Gunslinger, by Stephen King.
>
> C. Maria Caeca
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
You are a romantic girl! Are beautyful times isn't?




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48322 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2006-12-29
Subject: Advices for 2007 new magistrates entering office
Salvete, quirites,

"The time of entering on the office varied in the early periods: in
B.C. 222, it was fixed to March 15th; in 153, to the 1st of January.
The accession of the new consuls was attended with the performance of
certain ceremonies, among which may be mentioned a procession of the
consuls to the Capitol, with the Senate, equites, and other citizens
of position, as escort; an offering of white bulls to Iupiter, and the
utterance of solemn vows."

Harry Thurston Peck, Harpers Dictionary of Classical Antiquities (1898)

So, the new magistrates receives its imperium, potestas et tribunicia
potestas at 0:00 Roma Time, at 01/01/2007. So, check your fuse time
because many will be magistrates before new year.

My advice to the new magistrates is: let ianuarius calendas for
religious celebrations and the beggining of the oaths on ML. After, on
the second day after the calendas, edictum and other official things
may proceed.

My second advice is not making any official act before making the oath
of magistrature. Send the oaths to the Main List, it is enough. And on
the oath on latin, don´t forget there is a paragraph we must use the
magistrature name on genitive declension.

--
Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus

"Vigilando, agendo, bene consulendo, prospera omnia cedunt" - Salustius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48323 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-29
Subject: a.d. IV Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem IV Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"At that time the Trojans who had fled with Aeneas from Troy after its
capture landed at Laurentum, which is on the coast of the Aborigines
facing the Tyrrhenian sea, not far from the mouth of the Tiber. And
having received from the Aborigines some land for their habitation and
everything else they desired, they built a town on a hill not far from
the sea and called it Lavinium. Soon after this they changed their
ancient name and, together with the Aborigines, were called Latins,
after the king of that country. And leaving Lavinium, they joined with
the inhabitants of those parts in building a larger city, surrounded
by a wall, which they called Alba; and setting out thence, they built
many other cities, the cities of the so‑called Prisci Latini, of
which the greatest part were inhabited even to my day. Then, sixteen
generations after the taking of Troy, sending out a colony to
Pallantium and Saturnia, where the Peloponnesians and the Arcadians
had made their first settlement and where there were still left some
remains of the ancient race, they settled these places and surrounded
Pallantium with a wall, so that it then first received the form of a
city. This settlement they called Rome, after Romulus, who was the
leader of the colony and the seventeenth in descent from Aeneas. But
also concerning the arrival of Aeneas in Italy, since some historians
have been ignorant of it and others have related it in a different
manner, I wish to give more than a cursory account, having compared
the histories of those writers, both Greek and Roman, who are the best
accredited. The stories concerning him are as follows:

When Troy had been taken by the Achaeans, either by the stratagem of
the wooden horse, as Homer represents, or by the treachery of the
Antenoridae, or by some other means, the greatest part of the Trojans
and of their allies then in the city were surprised and slain in their
beds; for it seems that this calamity came upon them in the night,
when they were not upon their guard. But Aeneas and his Trojan forces
which he had brought from the cities of Dardanus and Ophrynium to the
assistance of the people of Ilium, and as many others as had early
notice of the calamity, while the Greeks were taking the lower town,
fled together to the stronghold of Pergamus, occupied the citadel,
which was fortified with its own wall; here were deposited the holy
things of the Trojans inherited from their fathers and their great
wealth in valuables, as was to be expected in a stronghold, and here
also the flower of their army was stationed. Here they awaited and
repulsed the enemy who were endeavouring to gain a foothold on the
acropolis, and by making secret sallies they were able, through their
familiarity with the narrow streets, to rescue the multitude which was
seeking to escape at the taking of the city; and thus a larger number
escaped than were taken prisoner. But with respect to the future he
reasoned very properly that it would be impossible to save a city the
greater part of which was already in possession of the enemy, and he
therefore decided to abandon the wall, bare of defenders, to the enemy
and to save the inhabitants themselves as well as the holy objects
inherited from their fathers and all the valuables he could carry
away. Having thus resolved, he first sent out from the city the women
and children together with the aged and all others whose condition
required much time to make their escape, with orders to take the roads
leading to Mount Ida, while the Achaeans, intent on capturing the
citadel, were giving no thought to the pursuit of the multitude who
were escaping from the city. Of the army, he assigned one part to
escort the inhabitants who were departing, in order that their flight
might be as safe and free from hardships as the circumstances would
permit; and they were ordered to take possession of the strongest
parts of Mount Ida. With the rest of the troops, who were the most
valiant, he remained upon the wall of the citadel and, by keeping the
enemy occupied in assaulting it, he rendered less difficult the flight
of those who had gone on ahead. But when Neoptolemus and his men
gained a foothold on part of the acropolis and all the Achaeans
rallied to their support, Aeneas abandoned the place; and opening the
gates, he marched away with the rest of the fugitives in good order,
carrying with him in the best chariots his father and the gods of his
country, together with his wife and children and whatever else, either
person or thing, was most precious." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquitiues", 1.45-46


"Helios the Sun rides his chariot, he shines upon men and deathless
gods, and piercingly he gazes with his eyes from his golden helmet.
Bright rays beam dazzlingly from him, and his bright locks streaming
from the temples of his head gracefully enclose his far-seen face: a
rich, fine-spun garment glows upon his body and flutters in the wind:
and stallions carry him. Then, when he has stayed his golden-yoked
chariot and horses, he rests there upon the highest point of heaven,
until he marvellously drives them down again through heaven to
Okeanos." - Homeric Hymn 31 to Helios

"All the Children of Helios were easy to recognise, even from a
distance, by their flashing eyes, which shot out rays of golden light
like their father's." - Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 4.726

"He made his way direct into the presence of Helios and there stood
afar, unable to approached the dazzling light. Enrobed in purple
vestments Phoebus [Helios] sat, high on a throne of gleaming
emeralds." - Ovid, Metamorphoses 2.20

"Poseidon was the lover of Nerites [the son of Nereus and
Doris]...when Poseidon drove his chariot over the waves, all were left
utterly and far behind by the speed of his horses; only the boy
favourite was his escort close at hand...for the god willed that his
beautiful favourite should not only be highly esteemed for other
reasons but should also be pre-eminent at swimming.

But the story relates that Helios (the Sun) resented the boy's power
of speed and transformed his body into the spiral shell as it now is:
the cause of his anger I cannot tell, neither does the fable mention
it - perhaps the boy bragged of his prowess. But if one may guess
where there is nothing to go by, Poseidon and Helios might be said to
be rivals. And it may be that Helios was vexed at the boy travelling
about in the sea and wished that he should travel among the
constellations instead of being counted among the Ketea
(Sea-Monsters)." - Aelian, On Animals 14.28

"Sol [Helios the Sun] puts on his diadem of myriad rays and the
corselet woven of twelve stars [the zodiac constellations] and bound
by the belt which athwart the rain-clouds shows for men its many hued
bow." - Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 4.90

"The Company of the Gods rejoice at thy rising, the earth is glad when
it beholdeth thy rays; the people who have been long dead come forth
with cries of joy to behold thy beauties every day. Thou goest forth
each day over heaven and earth, and thou art made strong each day be
thy mother Nut. Thou passest over the heights of heaven, thy heart
swelleth with joy; and the Lake of Testes (the Great Oasis) is content
thereat. The Serpent-fiend hath fallen, his arms are hewn off, the
Knife hath severed his joints. Ra liveth by Maat, the beautiful! The
Sektet Boat advanceth and cometh into port. The South and the North,
and the West and East, turn to praise thee. O thou First, Great God,
who didst come into being of thine own accord, Isis and Nephthys
salute thee, they sing unto thee songs of joy at thy rising in the
boat, they stretch out their hands unto thee. The Souls of the East
follow thee, and the Souls of the West praise thee. Thou art the Ruler
of all the gods. Thou in thy shrine hast joy, for the Serpent-fiend
Nak hath been judged by the fire, and thy heart shall rejoice for
ever. Thy mother Nut is esteemed by thy father Nu." - Hymn to Ra from
the Egyptian Book of The Dead

In ancient Egypt, today was dedicated to Ra, the god of the Sun, known
to the Greeks as Helios.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Valerius Flaccus, Ovid, Aelian, Book of
The Dead
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48324 From: Rusty Myers Date: 2006-12-29
Subject: Pompeii Event in Mobile Alabama
REM CURATE, OMNES LEGIONES!

CONVOCATUR ITER FACERE AD MOBILEM, URBEM IN ALABAMA, DUAS DIES
UBI DECURSUS ET EXERCITATIONES ET OSTENTATIONES ARMORUM
TELORUMQUE COMMUNICABITIS.

[Attention, all legions!
You are summoned to Mobile, a city in Alabama for 2 days
where you will partake in maneuvers and drills and
displays of offensive and defensive weapons.]


The Gulf Coast Exploreum Science Center is pleased to invite Roman
legion, Civilian, Barbarian, and Gladiator reconstruction groups from
throughout the southeast and the United States to participate in a
living history tableau of a Roman encampment, ca 79 AD.

Castra Romana – Pompeii

In historic downtown
Mobile, Alabama
February 3 and 4, 2007

The Exploreum is also honored to host the Participants and their
guests
At a private evening, Saturday, February 3 beginning at 5:30 p.m.
to include complementary admission to
o the international exhibition A Day in Pompeii, with guided
tour;
o a virtual reality tour of Pompeii's theater district;
o all Exploreum science galleries filled with fun hands-on
science exhibits;
o the IMAX film Greece: Secrets of the past;
o a Roman dinner banquet prepared by culinary expert Lisa
Holcomb-Blair

Check out expoloreum.net for more information on the exhibition and
IMAX film.

The Castra Romana combined with the exhibition A Day In Pompeii
provides an exceptional opportunity to educate the public on what
daily life was like in a provincial first century A.D. Roman town and
for the Roman armies that built the great Roman Empire.

LOGISTICS

Encampment set-up begins Thursday February 1, 2007
Encampment location: Royal Street, immediately across from the
Science Center Public hours: The encampment will be open 9 a.m. to 5
p.m. Saturday and 9 a.m. to 2 p.m. Sunday
School group tours: (to be scheduled) Friday 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. For
legion groups that are already encamped. The Exploreum expects to
host some 400 K-12 students and teachers on regularly scheduled field
trip tours of the exhibition on that one morning alone. Students
will be from public and private schools from throughout south Alabama
and Mississippi and from northeast Florida.

BONUS:
Mardi Gras: Note that Castra Romana–Pompeii coincides with the first
weekend of Mobile's 3-week-long Mardi Gras celebrations. Despite
claims by New Orleans, the southern Mardi Gras tradition began first
in Mobile in the late 1800s and has a long history in the city.
The Exploreum and the encampment site are located along the
traditional Mardi Gras parade route.
The first secret society or Crewe to parade each year are the Condi
Cavaliers. They have kindly invited Castra Romana legion and
gladiator participants to march with them this year in the opening
night parade – starting 5:30 p.m. Friday. Details to be provided.
Two other parades are set for the Saturday evening and will pass
directly beside the Exploreum .

Accommodation:
The Exploreum offers all participants complementary overnight
campover privileges in the museum galleries from Thursday to Sunday
night. The floors may be hard but the place is warm and secure and
conveniently located beside the encampment site. Washrooms (sorry no
showers) and staff lunch room with stove, fridge and washer/drier
also available.

Motel accommodation.
The Exploreum's group sales coordinator Debra Garlo
(dgarlo@...) is exploring discounted or affordable
accommodations at the nearby Brookley Conference Center or area
motels. Hotels must be booked by January 3rd!

Vendors:
We do have space for Roman-ish Period vendors and craftsmen. Contact
justuslonginus@... for more information. There are no fees for
vendors.

SCAdians:
We also cordially invite any members of the Society for Creative
Anachronism to participate, either as Romans in the extra armor we
will have onsite (about 50 sets) or as Roman Civilians or even as
Barbarian opponents. While the time period is several hundred years
before the SCA's normal "period", many later costumes can be easily
adapted to be high society Roman or Barbarian personalities. Please
contact our SCA Organizer:

SCA Contact:
Lady Gwenhwyvaer merch Rhufain
Lisa Holcomb-Blair
Gwenhwyvaer@...
(251)408-1637 no calls after 10PM CST.

For more information about participating in the event, please contact
Rusty Myers at justuslonginus@... or 843-437-5587
For information about Mobile and the Exploreum, contact
dgarlo@...
251-656-2585

Pre-Registration forms should be submitted by January 14, 2007.
The forms are available online at www.castraromana-pompeii.com under
the REENACTOR REGISTRATION page, or may be emailed to you. We can
accept FAX forms as well. You may come if not pre-registered, but
must be pre-registered to guarantee a seat at the Grand Roman Feast
(Cena Romanum)!!

ABOUT THE EXPLOREUM
The Gulf Coast Exploreum Science Center is a not-for-profit 501c3
organization dedicated to improving science literacy in the Gulf
Coast Region and to presenting major international exhibitions from
world-class museums and institutions. The Exploreum opened in 1998
and hosts about 200,000 visitors a year, including about 40,000 to
50,000 K-12 students on field trips.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48325 From: craigflores Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Stumped -- 'Colonia Veneria Cornelia Pompeianorum'
Hi everyone--

I'm new to this forum. I'm stumped in my online research re the
etymology of the famous city of Pompeii. I read that Sulla renamed the
city 'Colonia Veneria Cornelia Pompeianorum'. Colonia obviously means
colony; Cornelia refers to Sulla's gens; and Venus (I read) was Sulla's
patron goddess.

Questions:

I am completely confused by the reference to the Pompey gens (if that's
the reference). How does that relate to Sulla? Or was Pompeii the name
of the city *before* Sulla's conquest? If so, why that name?

Any help appreciated... I'm stumped!

Craig Flores
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48326 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: a.d. III Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem III Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"In the meantime the Achaeans had taken the city by storm, and being
intent on plunder, gave those who fled abundant opportunity of making
their escape. Aeneas and his band overtook their people while still on
the road, and being united now in one body, they seized the strongest
parts of Mount Ida. section 2Here they were joined not only by the
inhabitants of Dardanus, who, upon seeing a great and unusual fire
rising from Ilium, had in the night left their city undefended, — all
except the men with Elymus and Aegestus, who had got ready some ships
and had departed even earlier, — but also by the whole populace of
Ophrynium and by those of the other Trojan cities who clung to their
liberty; and in a very short time this force of the Trojans became a
very large one. Accordingly, the fugitives who had escaped with
Aeneas from the taking of the city and were tarrying on Mount Ida were
in hopes of returning home soon, when the enemy should have sailed
away; but the Achaeans, having reduced to slavery the people who were
left in the city and in the places near by and having demolished the
forts, were preparing to subdue those also who were in the mountains.
When, however, the Trojans sent heralds to treat for peace and begged
them not to reduce them to the necessity of making war, the Achaeans
held an assembly and made peace with them upon the following terms:
Aeneas and his people were to depart from the Troad with all the
valuables they had saved in their flight within a certain fixed time,
after first delivering up the forts to the Achaeans; and the Achaeans
were to allow them a safe-conduct by land and sea throughout all their
dominions when they departed in pursuance of these terms. Aeneas,
having accepted these conditions, which he looked upon as the best
possible in the circumstances, sent away Ascanius, his eldest son,
with some of the allies, chiefly Phrygians, to the country of
Dascylitis, as it is called, in which lies the Ascanian lake, since he
had been invited by the inhabitants to reign over them. But Ascanius
did not tarry there for any great length of time; for when Scamandrius
and the other descendants of Hector who had been permitted by
Neoptolemus to return home from Greece, came to him, he went to Troy,
in order to restore them to their ancestral kingdom. Regarding
Ascanius, then, this is all that is told. As for Aeneas, after his
fleet was ready, he embarked with the rest of his sons and his father,
taking with him the images of the gods, and crossing the Hellespont,
sailed to the nearest peninsula, which lies in front of Europe and is
called Pallene. This country was occupied by a Thracian people called
Crusaeans, who were allies of the Trojans and had assisted them during
the war with greater zeal than any of the others.

This, then, is the most credible account concerning the flight of
Aeneas and is the one which Hellanicus, among the ancient historians,
adopts in his Troica. There are different accounts given of the same
events by some others, which I look upon as less probable than this.
But let every reader judge as he thinks proper. Sophocles, the tragic
poet, in his drama Laocoon represents Aeneas, just before the taking
of the city, as removing his household to Mount Ida in obedience to
the orders of his father Anchises, who recalled the injunctions of
Aphrodite and from the omens that had lately happened in the case of
Laocoön's family conjectured the approaching destruction of the city.
His iambics, which are spoken by a messenger, are as follows:

'Now at the gates arrives the goddess' son,
Aeneas, his sire upon his shoulders borne
Aloft, while down that back by thunderbolt
Of Zeus once smit the linen mantle streams;
Surrounding them the crowd of household slaves.
There follows a multitude beyond belief
Who long to join this Phrygian colony.'

But Menecrates of Xanthus says that Aeneas betrayed the city to the
Achaeans out of hatred for Alexander and that because of this service
he was permitted by them to save his household. His account, which
begins with the funeral of Achilles, runs on this wise:

'The Achaeans were oppressed with grief and felt that the army had had
its head lopped off. However, they celebrated his funeral feast and
made war with all their might till Ilium was taken by the aid of
Aeneas, who delivered it up to them. For Aeneas, being scorned by
Alexander and excluded from his prerogatives, overthrew Priam; and
having accomplished this, he became one of the Achaeans.'

Others say that he chanced to be tarrying at that time at the station
where the Trojan ships lay; and others that he had been sent with a
force into Phrygia by Priam upon some military expedition. Some give a
more fabulous account of his departure. But let the case stand
according to each man's convictions." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 1.47-48


In ancient Egypt, today was celebrated as the birthday of the goddess
Isis. Isis is one of the earliest and most important goddess in
ancient Egypt. She was regarded as the feminine counterpart to Osiris,
a role she probably occupied before the dawn of dynastic Egypt. No
other Egyptian deity has stood the test of time as well as Isis. Her
cult was not extinguished with the other Egyptian gods, but was
embraced by the Greeks and Romans, her worship has even lasted into
the present day.

She was revered by the Egyptian people as the great mother-goddess and
represents the maternal spirit in its most intimate form. She is often
seen suckling a young Horus. In the Osiris legend she is seen as a
dutiful wife, a grieving widow and as a protector of the dead.

As a winged goddess she may represent the wind. In the Osiris legend
there are references to Isis wailing and moaning like the wind. She is
also continually travelling up and down the land in search of her lost
husband. Upon finding Osiris' body, she takes the shape of one of the
swiftest birds, a kite. Flapping and darting above his dead body she
wails in mourning. She restores life to Osiris by flapping her wings
and filling his mouth and nose with air.

Isis was a great enchantress, the goddess of magic. Together with
Thoth, she taught mankind the secrets of medicine. She was the
embalmer and gaurdian of Osiris. She is often rendered on the foot of
coffins with long wings spread to protect the deceased.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Wikipedia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48327 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Thank to the outgoing magistrates of the Republic
CN LENTVLVS QVAESTOR ABIENS: MAGISTRATIBVS ABEVNTIBVS: PRAESERTIM: CENSORI CN MARINO: ET: AEDILI T IVLIO SABINO: S P D:


Gn. Lentulus, outgoing Quaestor, salutes the outgoing magistrates, particularly Censor Gn. Marinus and Aedilis T. Iulius Sabinus:






I would like to give public thank to our outgoing magistrates of this year for their hard work.


My special appreciation and respect is hereby expressed for our outgoing Censor Gn. Equitius Marinus for his excellent and conscientious work I wholeheartedly admire and think to be an example for every future censor. His censorship with K. Buteo Quintilianus was the greatest one since NR exists.


Thank you very much, ces. Gn. Marine!


I also have to express my special respect and appreciation for Aedilis Curulis T. Iulius Sabinus. His Aedilitas is a hardly repeatable one, an example for every future aedilis of Nova Roma. I am proud that I could see his aedileship in Nova Roma and serve in his cohors.


Thank you, aed. T. Iuli!






Curate, uti valeatis!



Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
R O G A T O R C A N D I D A T U S
Q U A E S T O R
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Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis C. Fabii Buteonis
Scriba Censoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Aedilis Curulis T. Iulii Sabini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------
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Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48328 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Re: Thank to the outgoing magistrates of the Republic
Salve Gnae Corneli, et salvete quirites

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> writes:

[much praise]
> Thank you very much, ces. Gn. Marine!

You're welcome, Lentule. Thank you for helping out. I could not have
accomplished anywhere near as much without you and the rest of the superb
team I have had working with me.

> I also have to express my special respect and appreciation for Aedilis
> Curulis T. Iulius Sabinus.

I'll second this. Sabinus has been an excellent Curule Aedile. I hope all
our citizens recognize that he ranks up with the very best who've held the
office, including F. Apulus Caesar, L. Iulius Sulla, and C. Fabius Buteo
Quintilianus.

Vale, et valete,


CN•EQVIT•MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48329 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Magna Mater Project - final report.
Ex Officio Aedilis Curulis Iulius Sabinus
Bucurestinum, Provincia Dacia
a.d.III Kal.Ianvarias MMDCCLIX a.U.c

SALVETE NOVI ROMANI!

"Who is the Mother of the Gods? She is the source of the
intellectual and creative Gods, who in their turn guide the Visible
Gods; she is both the Mother and the Spouse of Mighty Zeus; she came
into being next and together with the Great Creator; she is in
control of every form of life and the course of all generations; she
easily brings to perfection all things that are made; without pain
she brings to birth; She is the Motherless Maiden, enthroned at the
very side of Zeus, and in very truth is the Mother of All the
Gods....."
- Emperor Julian II 'the Blessed', from an Oration to Cybele
composed at Pessinus MCXVI A.V.C.

I. General consideration.

Last year it was an important year for the Magna Mater Project. It
was the year when the Official Magna Mater website it was presented.
It is available at the following internet address:
http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/home.php
There are all the necessary dates about the Project, initiated in
2002 by Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and his Cohort and developed
with great results by the next Aediles and Aedilician Cohorts of
Franciscus Apulus Caesar, Marcus Iulius Perusianus and Lucius Iulius
Sulla.
Thank you, Aediles, for your excellent job and dedication to the
Project!

As Project Coordinator for this year my first goal it was to
establish a line for the Project development. For that, first, I
created the necessaries structures: my Cohort and Magna Mater
Collegium with specific duties.
The members are listed in the following web pages:
http://www.crystalwebvision.com/aedil/aediles.htm
http://www.crystalwebvision.com/aedil/magnamater.htm

At the beginning of the year I decided to start a campaign for the
Magna Mater website promotion, inside our organization first and
then outside of Nova Roma.
This campaign is in correlation with the fundraising campaign, a
continuous objective for me, my Cohort and MMP Collegium.

II. Magna Mater Project promotion.

The promotion of the Magna Mater Project and official website it was
for me the next logically step after the website it was presented on
line.
With the help of the dedicated members of both Aedilician Cohorts a
draft page for promotion it was realized.
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/draft.htm
My special thanks to the following citizens involved in this job:
Aulla Tullia Scholastica - text editor.
Tita Artoria Marcella - text editor.
Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege - text editor.
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus - text editor.
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar - web responsibilities
Oppius Fabius Montanus - web responsibilities.

I started the promotion campaign in a lot of our organization
structures, from the provincials' one to the central administration
and directly to the Nova Roma members. Is difficult to keep an
evidence of those who were receptive and help us with the promotion.
But I want to present some of them:
- NR website - Valerius Callidus and Equitius Marinus.
- Academia Thule - Caius Saturninus.
- Archaeology Blog - Apollonius Scipio.
- Gallia - Apollonius Scipio.
- Canada Occidentalis - Suetonius Paulinus and Vipsanius Agrippa.
- Italia - Franciscus Caesar.
- Dacia – Iulius Sabinus.
- Gens Iulia - Iulia Caesaris.
- Gens Minucia - Minucia Marcella.
- Pannonia ML - Cornelius Lentulus.
- Mexic ML - Iulius Severus.
- Germania - Flavius Conservatus.
- Egressus - Gn. Iulius Caesar.
- Go Roman Project - Gn. Iulius Caesar.
- Mediatlantica - Gn. Equitius Marinus.
- Canada Orientalis - Pompeia Minucia Strabo.

With the dedication of M. Lucretius Agricola, our project is now
present on the Nova Roma Wiki pages:
http://www.novaroma.org/wiki/Magna_Mater_project

III. Magna Mater Fundraising campaign.

How I said the Project promotion is in correlation with the
fundraising campaign. A new page was created:
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/draft2.htm
My thanks to G. Aurelia falco Silvana for the english correction of
the text.

The balance at the end of the year 2758 a.U.c, reported by the hon.
Iulius Sulla's Quaestor, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis, it was at
2759.25 USD and 611.89 Euro.
At this year end the Project fund balance is at 3656.77 USD and 11
Euro, reported by the hon. Quaestor Marcus Iulius Perusianus.

We, the Magnae Matris Collegium, the Aedilician Cohorts and the
Aediles, want to thank you for your donations. It is a testament to
your dedication to the ongoing development of the Magna Mater
Project.

This year MMP investors are:
- G. Iulius Verus.
- A. Tullius Marcellus Cato.
- T. Galerius Paulinus.
- A. Minucia Marcella.
- S. Ullerius Venator.
- M. Iunius Iulianus.
- Edward LeBlanc.
- Ti. Iulia Pulchra.
- L. Cassia Silvana.
- Q. Suetonius Paulinus.

All the MMP investors are:
- A. Minucia Marcella = 19.12 USD.
- A. Tullius Marcellus Cato = 96.95 USD.
- C. Curius Saturninus = 15 Euro.
- C. Iulius Scaurus = 52.5 USD.
- C. Iulius Verus = 2225.6 USD.
- C.Vipsanius Agrippa = 20.64 Euro.
- Compagnia delle Armi e delle Arti - Bologna = 40 Euro.
- Diana Octavia Aventina = 15 Euro.
- Edward LeBlanc = 18.92 USD.
- Emilia Curia Finnica = 15 Euro.
- Franciscus Apulus Caesar = 18 Euro.
- Gallus Minicius-Tiberius Iovinus = 11 Euro.
- Iulia Caesaris = 85 USD.
- K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus = 20 Euro.
- L. Cassia Silvana = 20 USD.
- M. Darius Firmitus = 19.12 USD.
- M. Iunius Iulianus = 19.12 USD.
- M. Iulius Perusianus = 9.75 USD.
- Nova Roma Inc = 1663 USD.
- Pompeia Minucia Strabo = 34.76 Euro.
- Rotaract Club Pisa = 200 Euro.
- Sextius Appolonius Scipio = 10 USD.
- Sextius Pontius Pilatus Barbatus = 19.12 USD.
- Stephanus Ullerius Venator = 48.25 USD.
- Ti. Galerius Paulinus = 138.24 USD.
- Ti. Iulia Pulchra = 38 USD.
- T. Artoria Marcella = 20 USD.
- T. Iulius Sabinus = 61.6 Euro.
- Q. Fabius Allectus = 11 Euro.
- Q. Suetonius Paulinus = 55.10 USD.

Franciscus Apulus Caesar will upload in the first days of January
(we have one more day for donations!!!) the Magna Mater website
investors section, with the name and the donations of this honorable
citizens.
http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/project/investors.htm
To support the Project, please visit this page:
http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/project/support.htm

III. Magna Mater promotionals.

The first Magna Mater Project promotional objects were produced: t-
shirts and business cards.
Destinations:
- 5 t-shirts and 50 business cards - to Nova Roma Conventus from
Hadrian Wall.
- 50 business cards - to Provincia Italia.
The producer is Caius Curius Saturninus, based by his great
experience (see the calendar):
http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar/
With this occasion I want to thank to Curius Saturninus for his
dedication. A part from his calendars profit is redirected to the
Magna Mater Project.

IV. Magna Mater Project - Research section.

1. Magna Mater - Latin inscriptions around the world.
The researchers' team was composed of M. Moravius Horatianus
Piscinus, T. Artoria Marcella and M. Sempronia Justina. They have
gone more than 60.000 inscriptions covering all the historical roman
provinces. All the dates were centralized inside the Cohort group,
and I hope, that we will create the necessaries premises to present
a book with all inscriptions.

2. Magna Mater – Medallion project.
The researchers' team was composed of M. Lucretius Agricola and L.
Galeria Mira Pictrix. The design was finished and in the next year
the MMP Collegium will choose the medallion legends and it will be
produced.
http://www.crystalwebvision.com/aedil/medallion.htm

V. Frequently Asked Questions.

For the new citizens I want to add to this bulletin the Iulius
Perusianus FAQ, presented by Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo:

"We publish this list of questions and answers periodically for the
benefit of those not familiar with the project or its goals. We
hope this is helpful to those new to Nova Roma.
My thanks to F. Apulus Caesar Consul and Marcus Iulius Perusianus,
Praetor 2758 Curulis Aedilis 2757, for the information in this
section.

???COULD SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME THE PURPOSE OF THE MAGNA MATER
PROJECT???

The ultimate goal is the restoration of the temple, but this is
honestly very long term, especially when one takes into account our
current financial situation. But even having money, there are
several other small, but necessary steps which are already under
development to 'restore' the temple, in a wider significance of the
meaning. To restore it also means to 'valorize' the sanctuary, its
historical and archaeological aspects, and the significance of the
cult of the Magna Mater. Put another way, 'enhancing' would be
perhaps a better term for these first steps of the Project.
Periodically, a bulletin such as this report is published to keep
the citizenry apprised of project developments.

????HOW ARE DONATIONS FROM NOVA ROMA UTILIZED IN THE MAGNA MATER
PROJECT???

Consider this list of things to do in the near future (as part of
the MM project):
i. official website
ii. material to promote this project (leaflets publications, DVD
with topographical introduction to the location, archaeological
remains and evidences, history of the Sanctuary of the Cult of
Cybele in Rome
iii. a six-month scholarship for a student of the University of
Rome
iv. multimedia CD Rom (See section II of this bulletin to review
details.)

???WHAT IS THE RETURN ON THIS INVESTMENT? WHY IS THE MAGNA
MATER PROJECT SO IMPORTANT???

It is important because it permits NR to spread its name into the
academic world, and provides the mechanism by which we may be
entitled to manage Roman monuments. It's an opportunity to make our
name known in the macro national, physical world, after having done
so much in the virtual, electronic world.

WILL NOVA ROMA EVER BE ALLOWED TO HOLD RITUAL THERE TO MAGNA
MATER???

...Marcus Iulius Perusianus answersÂ…

A certain number of NR citizens were able to visit the proximity of
the temple this past April, courtesy of a special pass by the
Soprintendenza Archeologica di Roma (the entire south-west side of
the Palatine, the Germalus, has been closed for the past 5-7
years). We were accompanied by a guardian for almost the entire
visit, and at our tour of the house of Augustus, I guess a very
simple rite could have been held. I believe that a longer than 5
minute ceremony, with an attendance of more than 10-15 people, would
hardly be tolerated. I am not talking about 'religious'
intolerance; it is just a question of security. Soprintendenza is
working in the Germalus areas, and it is not easy to attain
permission to enter. Honestly, I think to have a ritual there is
currently quite impossible. Mind you, I am only speaking of what I
foresee during my Aedileship.

???WHAT HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE DO THE TREES CURRENTLY GROWING ON
TOP OF THE MM SANCTUARY HOLD? WHY ARE THEY MORE HISTORICALLY
IMPORTANT THAN THE RESTORATION OF ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT TEMPLE
SITES OF ROME???

Â…Marcus Iulius Perusianus answersÂ…

I have asked this of the manager of the Palatine ruins. Currently,
it is deemed a useless effort to cut these environmentally and
historically protected trees, as the only part of the structure
remaining is the basement of the temple (not considering the short
remains of a couple of columns). We won't have a better view of the
bricks with the presence of these trees, which have been there for
some centuries. The general guidelines of the Soprintendenza
Archeologica di Roma are to maintain the monuments as they are,
unless there is original material of the structure to position in
their respective places. And, even when these materials are found,
it takes a lot of time to study exactly where they fit. It is a
matter of academic official opinion that not a single reconstruction
effort can be made without appropriate archaeological evidence to
support such action."

--------------------------
I want to present my special thanks to all the investors for their
wonderful support, in the name of the Curules Aediles, both Cohorts
and Magna Mater Collegium.
I want to thank to MMP Collegium and to my Aedilician Cohort for
their excellent job.
I want to thank to the excellent Quaestor M Iulius Perusianus for
his job and friendship.

Romani from Magna Mater Collegium and Cohors Sabina Pia Fidelis :
To work together it was a great honor for me !


VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
MMP 2759 a.U.c Custodiant
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48330 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Re: Thank to the outgoing magistrates of the Republic
SALVE HON. CORNELI LENTULE !

I'm honored by your kind words. Thank you very much. It was a great
experience for me to work near people as the members of the MMP
Collegium and my Cohort are.

My best wishes to you and to your family for the next year.
And send my greetings to Legio XV Apolinaris from Pannonia, I had
met this autumn in Bucharest :
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/legioxv.htm

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
> CN LENTVLVS QVAESTOR ABIENS: MAGISTRATIBVS ABEVNTIBVS:
PRAESERTIM: CENSORI CN MARINO: ET: AEDILI T IVLIO SABINO: S P D:
> Gn. Lentulus, outgoing Quaestor, salutes the outgoing
magistrates, particularly Censor Gn. Marinus and Aedilis T. Iulius
Sabinus:
> I would like to give public thank to our outgoing magistrates of
this year for their hard work.
> My special appreciation and respect is hereby expressed for our
outgoing Censor Gn. Equitius Marinus for his excellent and
conscientious work I wholeheartedly admire and think to be an
example for every future censor. His censorship with K. Buteo
Quintilianus was the greatest one since NR exists.
> Thank you very much, ces. Gn. Marine!
> I also have to express my special respect and appreciation for
Aedilis Curulis T. Iulius Sabinus. His Aedilitas is a hardly
repeatable one, an example for every future aedilis of Nova Roma. I
am proud that I could see his aedileship in Nova Roma and serve in
his cohors.
> Thank you, aed. T. Iuli!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48331 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Re: Thank to the outgoing magistrates of the Republic
SALVE HON. EQUITI MARINE !

The truth is all the year I had only one question in my mind: "Why
Marinus is able do a lot of things in NR?"
Your fine example was a good motivation for my job. Thank you for that.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:
> >I also have to express my special respect and appreciation for
Aedilis Curulis T. Iulius Sabinus.
>
> I'll second this. Sabinus has been an excellent Curule Aedile. I
hope allour citizens recognize that he ranks up with the very best
who've held the office, including F. Apulus Caesar, L. Iulius Sulla,
and C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48332 From: Tita Artoria Marcella Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Re: What are your 3 favorite real life or fictional civilizations a
Salve Greg,
>Including and in addition to the Roman civilization (if that's a
>personal favorite) what are your 3 or even 4 personal favorite
>civilizations -

Here are the three, and I won't elaborate on why I admire each one, except to say that there are two common threads throughout--pragmatism and individualism.

1) Rome, from its founding to the Severan dynasty.

2) Sarmatia, from 300 BCE to 200 CE.

3) U.S. territory of Arizona, circa 1860-1890.

Vale bene,
Artoria

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48333 From: Jibril ibn Najdah ibn Zayd al-`Attar Date: 2006-12-30
Subject: Re: What are your 3 favorite real life or fictional civilizations a
> Salve Greg,
> >Including and in addition to the Roman civilization (if that's a
> >personal favorite) what are your 3 or even 4 personal favorite
> >civilizations -


Greetings!

As a new member to this list (as of yesterday evening), and someone
pending citizenship from the Censors, I find this topic absolutely
interesting. Before I answer the question, however, I should mention
that I've been an active member of the Society for Creative
Anachronism (SCA) for the past 10 years...so my choices of favorite
civilizations outside of Ancient Rome are slightly skewed.

In reverse order of favorite, we have:

3) Ancient Egypt: Ever since taking an Egyptology workshop in 6th
Grade, I've been fascinated with the history, culture, and religious
aspects of Ancient Egypt.

2) Renaissance Florence: The reign of the Medici, the writings of
Niccolo Machiavelli, and the opulence of the Renaissance...these are
just a few of my favorite things.

1) Damascus, Syria...during the time of the Seljuk Empire: A city with
a long and ancient history, ruled over by many cultures...but it's the
time of the Seljuks that has caught my attention the most.


Until the next time,
[pending to be] D. Saturius Praeconinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48334 From: gequitiuscato Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: prid. Kal. Ian.
OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est pridie Kalendas Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"What happened after his departure creates still greater difficulty
for most historians. For some, after they have brought him as far as
Thrace, say he died there; of this number are Cephalon of GergisLink
to the editor's note at the bottom of this page and Hegesippus,Link to
the editor's note at the bottom of this page who wrote concerning
Pallenê, both of them ancient and reputable men. Others make him leave
Thrace and take him to Arcadia, and say that he lived in the Arcadian
Orchomenus, in a place which, though situated inland, yet by reason of
marshes and a river, is called Nesos or "Island"; and they add that
the town called Capyae was built by Aeneas and the Trojans and took
its name from Capys the Troan. This is the account given by various
other writers and by Ariaethus, the author of Arcadica. And there are
some who have the story that he came, indeed, to Arcadia and yet that
his death did not occur there, but in Italy; this is stated by many
others and especially by Agathyllus of Arcadia, the poet, who writes
thus in an elegy:

'Then to Arcadia came and in Nesos left his two daughters,
Fruit of his love for Anthemone fair and for lovely Codone;
Thence made haste to Hesperia's land and begat there male offspring,
Romulus named.'

The arrival of Aeneas and the Trojans in Italy is attested by all the
Romans and evidences of it are to be seen in the ceremonies observed
by them both in their sacrifices and festivals, as well as in the
Sibyl's utterances, in the Pythian oracles, and in many other things,
which none ought to disdain as invented for the sake of embellishment.
Among the Greeks, also, many distinct monuments remain to this day on
the coasts where they landed and among the people with whom they
tarried when detained by unfavourable weather. In mentioning these,
though they are numerous, I shall be as brief as possible. They first
went to Thrace and landed on the peninsula called Pallene. It was
inhabited, as I have said,Link to the editor's note at the bottom of
this page by barbarians called Crusaeans, who offered them a safe
refuge. There they stayed the winter season and built a temple to
Aphrodite on one of the promontories, and also a city called Aeneia,
where they left all those who from fatigue were unable to continue the
voyage and all who chose to remain there as in a country they were
henceforth to look upon as their own. This city existed down to that
period of the Macedonian rule which came into being under the
successors of Alexander, but it was destroyed in the reign of
Cassander, when Thessalonica was being founded; and the inhabitants of
Aeneia with many others removed to the newly-built city." - Dionyisius
of Halicarnassus 1.49


"Play a thin tune
on a paper horn.
Old is dying.
New is born.

Scatter confetti
over the floor.
Sweep an old year
Out the door.

Blow up a wish
in a bright balloon.
Whisper dreams
To a midnight moon.

Play a loud tune
on a paper horn.
Old is dying.
New is born." - Myra Cohn Livingston

"Ring out the old shapes of foul disease;
Ring out the narrowing lusts of gold;
Ring out the thousand wars of old;
Ring in the thousand years of peace." - Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Today is the celebration of welcoming in the New Year, A.D. 2007 or
2760 A.U.C. The celebration of New Year's Eve is ancient, as well as
many of the customs associated with it. Babylonian records 4000 years
old describe resolutions made publicly; the two most common are to
repay any outstanding debts and to return anything that was borrowed.
Today, the two most common are to give up smoking and to lose weight
- followed by repaying any outstanding debts and returning anything
that was borrowed. The Greeks and Romans all paraded the first babies
born in the new year, but the custom of wrapping a banner around one
of them with the number of the new year is from 15th century Germany.

The Roman civil calendar began on the Kalends of Martias --- in
exactly the same way that the U.S. Government begins its fiscal year
on 1 August --- but from every Roman calendar that has been found it
is clear that the astronomical (and psychological) year began on the
Kalends of Ianuarius.


Valete bene and Happy New Year!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48335 From: marialag_1 Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Happy New Year and an announcement about new blog and web
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Subject: Notice about new web and blog for those in search of lore and knowl
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48337 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: REPORT OF SENATE SESSION
Senate Voting Results

The Senate was called to order on Dec. 18th 2006 (2759 AUC). The Contio was held on agenda items until Dec. 22nd 2006



Voting on the agenda items was then held from Dec. 22nd , 24:00 to Dec. 28th 2006, 24:00 (time of Rome).

On 28th of December, the latest session of the Senate of Nova Roma was declared closed by the Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo, in which 27 of the 36 senatores voted, fulfilling the quorum needed for the session.


Here are the list of the voting Senators, alfabetically listed by nomen:



[FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
[LAF] Lucius Arminius Faustus
[MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
[ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica

[CCS] Caius Curius Saturninus
[GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
[LECA] Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
[GFBM] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
[CFBQ] Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
[QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus
[CFD] Caius Flavius Diocletianus
[TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

[AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
[MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
[MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus

[DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
[LMS] Lucius Minicius Sceptius
[MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens
[PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo
[MOG] Marcus Octavius Gracchus
[TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
[GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas
[GSA] Gnaeus Salvius Astur
[JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna
[LSA] Lucius Sergius Australicus
[QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
[ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato



The following senatores failed to vote in this session:

[SAS] Sextus Apollonius Scipio

[MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior

[MCJ] Marcus Cassius Julianus
[PC] Patricia Cassia

[MCS] Manius Constantinus Serapio

[TLF] Titus Labienus Fortunatus

[GL] Gaia Livia
[GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus
[FVG] Flavius Vedius Germanicus



_________________________________________________________

ITEM I: Formation of an Internal Financial Audit Committee

[FAC] VTI ROGAS
[LAF] VTI ROGAS. I really do not understand why some Senatores votes NO on that. It must be done anyway otherwise NR finantial state will get even more sour. If the sake of the Republic is at stake, I won´t be ´offended´ if a SenatusConsultum bind me to do something during my consulship next year. It is the duty of the Senate make the long term strategies for the magistrates to undertake. The magistratures are too short to make planning. I urge the Senatores to consider deeply this subject and I make mine the words of Cato the Younger: "It is by vigilance, activity, and prudent measures, that general welfare is
secured. When you are once resigned to sloth and indolence, it is in vain that you implore the gods" (Porcius Cato, apud Salustius, De Bello Catilina)
[MBA] ANTIQVO: I think we need to define this a bit more but I like the idea.
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS : Like Caesar's wife, our finances must not only be above
reproach, they must be seen to be above reproach
[LECA] ANTIQVO: I am convinced by Laenas' argument
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] ANTIQVO: The idea has merit, but this too late in the year to run this through.

It appears that it is a blatant attempt to have us "rubber stamp" something which needs to studied further.

That this year's lame duck Consuls should have the power to appoint half of the committee, is simply wrong, and has the appearance of patronage.

As L. Cornelius Sulla once proposed, any "auditor" position must be a hire, and not a citizen of Nova Roma or a board member of NR INC.
[CFD] ANTIQVO
[TGP] ANTIQUO (No) I do agree with our Consul that a committee should be formed and I commend her for her efforts on this issue. If this issue had come to light sooner I would have supported it.
I would like this deferred till next year ( Jan 2).

[AMA] VTI ROGAS
[MMPH] Uti Rogas. This proposal concerns the commission of a Senate committee to conduct an internal audit and a review of budgeting procedures in the coming year under the Consules of 2760. It advises our Consules designati to cooperate with our current Consules in forming the committee. It asks the Consules designati to "consider" additional recommendations. While reading objections raised against this proposal by some of our distinguished members, it seemed to me that their concerns were with what may grow out of the committee's effort. I share in some of the concerns that were expressed, but think it best that we first establish the Senate committee to review the situation and report to the full Senate on its recommendations.
[MIP] ANTIQVO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] VTI ROGAS
[MMA] VTI ROGAS: I see no problem with the way in which the proposal is worded nor do I see any attempt at any manipulation on the part of either of the current Consuls. I trust both as I trust the Consuls-Elect to make the best arrangements possible for Nova Roma, with their colleagues.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] VTI ROGAS - with the further suggestion that this committee produce
documents that will be archived in the Wiki.
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] ANTIQVO: I support this idea, but I feel it is a matter than should fall to the Consuls elect. I don't understand why this year's Consuls should have the power to appoint half of the committee (and in fact
6 is too many in my opinion - three is the normal number in corporations), and I don't like the suggestion that any "auditor" position be elected.
In such an appointment, politics and popularity should be avoided. Our chief financial officer/auditor should be appointed by the Board and be more a function of our not-for-profit corporation than Nova
Roma per se.This needs more discussion and needs to be lead by the Consuls elect.
[GSA] VTI ROGAS
[JSM] Antiquo. Of course this is a prudent idea, however, the incoming consuls deserve a greater role and the Senate
[LSA] ANTIQUO -- This is a good start but needs further tweaking before it is ready as a plan. The Consuls-elect are already in agreement with the idea, so it seems to be an empty gesture to ask them to follow it. I think also that we need to be certain the final plan provides for the involvement of a person qualified to perform auditing. I'm not certain that the appointment of a senator and the election of a second auditor by the populace will reliably accomplish that. Let the new Consuls take this forward toward what it needs to be.
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] VTI ROGAS



Results of Item I: Uti Rogas, 17; Antiquo, 10; Abstineo, 0.
PASSED
_____________________________________________________________________
_



ITEM II: OFFICIAL BOUNDARIES OF CANADA ORIENTALIS AND CANADA OCCIDENTALIS
PROVINCIAE



[FAC] ANTIQVO: It is not necessary, this kind of organizational aspects should be in the hands of the governors passing not for the Senatus.
[LAF] ANTIQVO
[MBA] ANTIQVO - Internal bounderies are the responsibilty of the govenor
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS: An extraordinary decision for Senate to take, but provinces are requesting this decision and I see no reason to say no.
[GEM] VTI ROGAS -- I understand the need for the Senate to define the boundaries of these two provinces due to ongoing changes in the geography of the Northwest Passage. I remain skeptical of the advisability of the Senate defining the interior regions of any province, and I recommend that the Senate revisit this issue next year after consultation with the two Canadian governors. I hope that at that time the authority for defining interior regions will be returned to the two Canadian governors.
[LECA] ANTIQVO: I agree with Octavius
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] ANTIQVO The Provincial Praetors have the Imperium to divide their provinces as they see fit to administer. They need not come to the Senate for confirmation. The Senate does not want to revisit every minor province boundary redivision each time it happens. That's not our job.
[CFD] ANTIQVO: Each governor may organize his/her province by his own discretion. This contains both the organization of his provicial staff and the territorial layout inside the provinical boundaries. It isn´t necessary to get a Snatus Consultum about this.
[TGP] ANTIQUO (No) I agree that the overall boundaries of our provinces should to be set by the Senate. However internal organization needs to be left to the Praetors, etc to deal with. They are the "boots on the ground" and I believe we should defer internal organization to them. [AMA] VTI ROGAS
[MMPH] VTI ROGAS
[MIP] ANTIQVO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] ANTIQVO
[MMA] VTI ROGAS: While I agree that Regio boundaries within a Provinces are the matter of the Provincial Staff normally, the present Consuls have asked the Senate for assistance in this particular situation and gives their reasoning for such a request. I believe that the Senate can and should respond to requests for assistance of this kind, if the assistance asked for can smooth the way for decision making in and for the provinces which are the life-blood of Nova Roma.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] ANTIQUO. The Senate shouldn't define internal organisation of a province - and one of those region names doesn't sound even remotely Roman
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] VTI ROGAS
[GSA] ABSTINEO
[JSM] ANTIQVO: Antiquo. I too believe that it is needless for the Senate to micromanage or usurp the powers delegated to provincial magistrates.
[LSA] UTI ROGAS -- I see nothing wrong with the Senate ratifying a plan that has been agreed upon by the magistrates involved.
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] ANTIQVO: This is within the jurisdiction of the provincial magistrates.







Results of Item II: Uti Rogas, 12; Antiquo, 13; Abstineo, 1.
NOT PASSED


________________________________________________________________




ITEM III: The Senate hereby appoints Marcus Minucius Audens Consular to a
further two year term of Editor Commentariorum Senioris, years 2760 and
2761 AUC.

[FAC] VTI ROGAS: The better man for the voice of NR.
[LAF] VTI ROGAS
[MBA] VTI ROGAS
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS : There is no one better suited in terms of knowledge, temprament,
and experience
[LECA] ABSTINEO
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] VTI ROGAS: No one has worked harder on the publication then Marcus Minucius
[CFD] VTI ROGAS
[TGP] ANTIQVO

[AMA] VTIROGAS
[MMPH] VTI ROGAS
[MIP] VTI ROGAS

[DIPI] VTI ROGAS
[LMS] VTI ROGAS
[MMA] ABSTINEO
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] ABSTINEO. Is this position clearly defined anywhere? Is it advisory, or does it have
decision-making powers?
I think the Senate needs to consider, as a whole, a plan for reinvigorating a printed newsletter. We need a printed publication for our credibility.
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] VTI ROGAS
[GSA] VTI ROGAS
[JSM] VTI ROGAS
[LSA] VTI ROGAS
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] VTI ROGAS



Results of Item III: Uti Rogas, 23; Antiquo, 1; Abstineo, 3.
PASSED






Items IV -VII are the proposed constitutional amendments presented to this
august body earlier this year for advice. They have all been approved by
the Comitia Centuriata and the Consuls request your final ratification

_______________________________________


Item IV: PROPOSED AMENDMENT I

Section II "Citizens and Gentes"

[FAC] ABSTINEO
[LAF] VTI ROGAS.
[MBA] VTI ROGAS
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS
[LECA] VTI ROGAS
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] ANTIQVO
[CFD] VTI ROGAS.
[TGP] VTI ROGAS

[AMA] VTI ROGAS
[MMPH] VTI ROGAS
[MIP] ABSTINEO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] VTI ROGAS.
[MMA] VTI ROGAS.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] VTI ROGAS
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] VTI ROGAS
[GSA] ABSTINEO
[JSM] VTI ROGAS.
[LSA] VTI ROGAS
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] VTI ROGAS.



Results of Item IV: Uti Rogas, 22; Antiquo, 2; Abstineo, 3.
PASSED



_____________________________________________________________________

ITEM V: PROPOSED AMENDMENT II
II 'Citizens and Gentes" Section B

[FAC] ABSTINEO
[LAF] VTI ROGAS. Vox Populi, Vox Dei
[MBA] VTI ROGAS
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS
[LECA] VTI ROGAS
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] ANTIQVO
[CFD] ANTIQVO
[TGP] VTI ROGAS

[AMA] VTI ROGAS
[MMPH] VTI ROGAS
[MIP] ABSTINEO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] VTI ROGAS.
[MMA] VTI ROGAS.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] VTI ROGAS
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] VTI ROGAS
[GSA] ABSTINEO
[JSM] VTI ROGAS.
[LSA] VTI ROGAS
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] ANTIQVO



Results of Item V: Uti Rogas, 20; Antiquo, 4; Abstineo, 3.
PASSED





_____________________________________________________________________
_



Item VI: PROPOSED AMENDMENT III

[FAC] ABSTINEO
[LAF] VTI ROGAS. Vox Populi, Vox Dei
[MBA] VTI ROGAS
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS
[LECA] ANTIQVO
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] ANTIQVO
[CFD] VTI ROGAS.
[TGP] VTI ROGAS

[AMA] ANTIQVO
[MMPH] ANTIQVO: Antiquo: While I agree with the proposed Constitutional Amendment II that distinguishes between the right of provocatio and a new right of apellatio, and that establishes which Comitia shall act as apellate bodies under the circumstances stated in the proposal, as a former
Tribunus Plebis I can not in good conscious agree to the proposed Amendment III in that it goes on to reduce the judicial authority of our respective Comitia to being only apellate courts. I do not find
such a limitation of the Comitia justified by the wording of the proposed Amendment II or to be warranted by current circumstance.
[MIP] ABSTINEO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] VTI ROGAS.
[MMA] VTI ROGAS.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] VTI ROGAS
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] ANTIQVO
[GSA] ABSTINEO
[JSM] VTI ROGAS.
[LSA] VTI ROGAS
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] VTI ROGAS.



Results of Item VI: Uti Rogas, 18; Antiquo, 6 ; Abstineo, 3.
PASSED




_____________________________________________________________________
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Item VII: PROPOSED AMENDMENT IV
IV Magistrates 1. 'Censor'

[FAC] NO VOTE
[LAF] VTI ROGAS. Vox Populi, Vox Dei
[MBA] ANTIQVO: I agree with M. Octavius Gracchus on this one
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS
[LECA] ANTIQVO
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] NO VOTE
[CFD] VTI ROGAS.
[TGP] ANTIQVO

[AMA] VTI ROGAS
[MMPH] VTI ROGAS
[MIP] ABSTINEO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] VTI ROGAS.
[MMA] VTI ROGAS.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] ANTIQVO: Villains should be allowed to run for office and be rejected by the people; this is an effective control on rogue Censors. (But we must also ensure there is an effective way of voting "NO"
against a candidate running unopposed).
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] ANTIQVO
[GSA] ABSTINEO
[JSM] ANTIQVO
[LSA] VTI ROGAS: I don't think the people's votes are sufficient safeguard against the election of a "villain." Villains are often effective demagogues.
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] VTI ROGAS.



Results of Item VII: Uti Rogas, 16; Antiquo, 7; Abstineo, 2. Two senators do not voted
PASSED



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48338 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: REPORT OF SENATE SESSION (CORRECTED)
Senate Voting Results

The Senate was called to order on Dec. 18th 2006 (2759 AUC). The Contio was held on agenda items until Dec. 22nd 2006



Voting on the agenda items was then held from Dec. 22nd , 24:00 to Dec. 28th 2006, 24:00 (time of Rome).

On 28th of December, the latest session of the Senate of Nova Roma was declared closed by the Consul Pompeia Minucia Strabo, in which 27 of the 36 senatores voted, fulfilling the quorum needed for the session.


Here are the list of the voting Senators, alfabetically listed by nomen:



[FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
[LAF] Lucius Arminius Faustus
[MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
[ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica

[CCS] Caius Curius Saturninus
[GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
[LECA] Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
[GFBM] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
[CFBQ] Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
[QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus
[CFD] Caius Flavius Diocletianus
[TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

[AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
[MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
[MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus

[DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
[LMS] Lucius Minicius Sceptius
[MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens
[PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo
[MOG] Marcus Octavius Gracchus
[TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
[GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas
[GSA] Gnaeus Salvius Astur
[JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna
[LSA] Lucius Sergius Australicus
[QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
[ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato



The following senatores failed to vote in this session:

[SAS] Sextus Apollonius Scipio

[MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior

[MCJ] Marcus Cassius Julianus
[PC] Patricia Cassia

[MCS] Manius Constantinus Serapio

[TLF] Titus Labienus Fortunatus

[GL] Gaia Livia
[GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus
[FVG] Flavius Vedius Germanicus



_________________________________________________________

ITEM I: Formation of an Internal Financial Audit Committee

[FAC] VTI ROGAS
[LAF] VTI ROGAS. I really do not understand why some Senatores votes NO on that. It must be done anyway otherwise NR finantial state will get even more sour. If the sake of the Republic is at stake, I won´t be ´offended´ if a SenatusConsultum bind me to do something during my consulship next year. It is the duty of the Senate make the long term strategies for the magistrates to undertake. The magistratures are too short to make planning. I urge the Senatores to consider deeply this subject and I make mine the words of Cato the Younger: "It is by vigilance, activity, and prudent measures, that general welfare is
secured. When you are once resigned to sloth and indolence, it is in vain that you implore the gods" (Porcius Cato, apud Salustius, De Bello Catilina)
[MBA] ANTIQVO: I think we need to define this a bit more but I like the idea.
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS : Like Caesar's wife, our finances must not only be above
reproach, they must be seen to be above reproach
[LECA] ANTIQVO: I am convinced by Laenas' argument
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] ANTIQVO: The idea has merit, but this too late in the year to run this through.

It appears that it is a blatant attempt to have us "rubber stamp" something which needs to studied further.

That this year's lame duck Consuls should have the power to appoint half of the committee, is simply wrong, and has the appearance of patronage.

As L. Cornelius Sulla once proposed, any "auditor" position must be a hire, and not a citizen of Nova Roma or a board member of NR INC.
[CFD] ANTIQVO
[TGP] ANTIQUO (No) I do agree with our Consul that a committee should be formed and I commend her for her efforts on this issue. If this issue had come to light sooner I would have supported it.
I would like this deferred till next year ( Jan 2).

[AMA] VTI ROGAS
[MMPH] Uti Rogas. This proposal concerns the commission of a Senate committee to conduct an internal audit and a review of budgeting procedures in the coming year under the Consules of 2760. It advises our Consules designati to cooperate with our current Consules in forming the committee. It asks the Consules designati to "consider" additional recommendations. While reading objections raised against this proposal by some of our distinguished members, it seemed to me that their concerns were with what may grow out of the committee's effort. I share in some of the concerns that were expressed, but think it best that we first establish the Senate committee to review the situation and report to the full Senate on its recommendations.
[MIP] ANTIQVO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] VTI ROGAS
[MMA] VTI ROGAS: I see no problem with the way in which the proposal is worded nor do I see any attempt at any manipulation on the part of either of the current Consuls. I trust both as I trust the Consuls-Elect to make the best arrangements possible for Nova Roma, with their colleagues.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] VTI ROGAS - with the further suggestion that this committee produce
documents that will be archived in the Wiki.
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] ANTIQVO: I support this idea, but I feel it is a matter than should fall to the Consuls elect. I don't understand why this year's Consuls should have the power to appoint half of the committee (and in fact
6 is too many in my opinion - three is the normal number in corporations), and I don't like the suggestion that any "auditor" position be elected.
In such an appointment, politics and popularity should be avoided. Our chief financial officer/auditor should be appointed by the Board and be more a function of our not-for-profit corporation than Nova
Roma per se.This needs more discussion and needs to be lead by the Consuls elect.
[GSA] VTI ROGAS
[JSM] Antiquo. Of course this is a prudent idea, however, the incoming consuls deserve a greater role and the Senate
[LSA] ANTIQUO -- This is a good start but needs further tweaking before it is ready as a plan. The Consuls-elect are already in agreement with the idea, so it seems to be an empty gesture to ask them to follow it. I think also that we need to be certain the final plan provides for the involvement of a person qualified to perform auditing. I'm not certain that the appointment of a senator and the election of a second auditor by the populace will reliably accomplish that. Let the new Consuls take this forward toward what it needs to be.
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] VTI ROGAS



Results of Item I: Uti Rogas, 17; Antiquo, 10; Abstineo, 0.
PASSED
_____________________________________________________________________
_



ITEM II: OFFICIAL BOUNDARIES OF CANADA ORIENTALIS AND CANADA OCCIDENTALIS
PROVINCIAE



[FAC] ANTIQVO: It is not necessary, this kind of organizational aspects should be in the hands of the governors passing not for the Senatus.
[LAF] ANTIQVO
[MBA] ANTIQVO - Internal bounderies are the responsibilty of the govenor
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS: An extraordinary decision for Senate to take, but provinces are requesting this decision and I see no reason to say no.
[GEM] VTI ROGAS -- I understand the need for the Senate to define the boundaries of these two provinces due to ongoing changes in the geography of the Northwest Passage. I remain skeptical of the advisability of the Senate defining the interior regions of any province, and I recommend that the Senate revisit this issue next year after consultation with the two Canadian governors. I hope that at that time the authority for defining interior regions will be returned to the two Canadian governors.
[LECA] ANTIQVO: I agree with Octavius
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] ANTIQVO The Provincial Praetors have the Imperium to divide their provinces as they see fit to administer. They need not come to the Senate for confirmation. The Senate does not want to revisit every minor province boundary redivision each time it happens. That's not our job.
[CFD] ANTIQVO: Each governor may organize his/her province by his own discretion. This contains both the organization of his provicial staff and the territorial layout inside the provinical boundaries. It isn´t necessary to get a Snatus Consultum about this.
[TGP] ANTIQUO (No) I agree that the overall boundaries of our provinces should to be set by the Senate. However internal organization needs to be left to the Praetors, etc to deal with. They are the "boots on the ground" and I believe we should defer internal organization to them. [AMA] VTI ROGAS
[MMPH] VTI ROGAS
[MIP] ANTIQVO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] ANTIQVO
[MMA] VTI ROGAS: While I agree that Regio boundaries within a Provinces are the matter of the Provincial Staff normally, the present Consuls have asked the Senate for assistance in this particular situation and gives their reasoning for such a request. I believe that the Senate can and should respond to requests for assistance of this kind, if the assistance asked for can smooth the way for decision making in and for the provinces which are the life-blood of Nova Roma.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] ANTIQUO. The Senate shouldn't define internal organisation of a province - and one of those region names doesn't sound even remotely Roman
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] VTI ROGAS
[GSA] ABSTINEO
[JSM] ANTIQVO: Antiquo. I too believe that it is needless for the Senate to micromanage or usurp the powers delegated to provincial magistrates.
[LSA] UTI ROGAS -- I see nothing wrong with the Senate ratifying a plan that has been agreed upon by the magistrates involved.
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] ANTIQVO: This is within the jurisdiction of the provincial magistrates.







Results of Item II: Uti Rogas, 12; Antiquo, 13; Abstineo, 1.
NOT PASSED


________________________________________________________________




ITEM III: The Senate hereby appoints Marcus Minucius Audens Consular to a
further two year term of Editor Commentariorum Senioris, years 2760 and
2761 AUC.

[FAC] VTI ROGAS: The better man for the voice of NR.
[LAF] VTI ROGAS
[MBA] VTI ROGAS
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS : There is no one better suited in terms of knowledge, temprament,
and experience
[LECA] ABSTINEO
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] VTI ROGAS: No one has worked harder on the publication then Marcus Minucius
[CFD] VTI ROGAS
[TGP] ANTIQVO

[AMA] VTIROGAS
[MMPH] VTI ROGAS
[MIP] VTI ROGAS

[DIPI] VTI ROGAS
[LMS] VTI ROGAS
[MMA] ABSTINEO
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] ABSTINEO. Is this position clearly defined anywhere? Is it advisory, or does it have
decision-making powers?
I think the Senate needs to consider, as a whole, a plan for reinvigorating a printed newsletter. We need a printed publication for our credibility.
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] VTI ROGAS
[GSA] VTI ROGAS
[JSM] VTI ROGAS
[LSA] VTI ROGAS
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] VTI ROGAS



Results of Item III: Uti Rogas, 23; Antiquo, 1; Abstineo, 3.
PASSED






Items IV -VII are the proposed constitutional amendments presented to this
august body earlier this year for advice. They have all been approved by
the Comitia Centuriata and the Consuls request your final ratification

_______________________________________


Item IV: PROPOSED AMENDMENT I

Section II "Citizens and Gentes"

[FAC] ABSTINEO
[LAF] VTI ROGAS.
[MBA] VTI ROGAS
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS
[LECA] VTI ROGAS
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] ANTIQVO
[CFD] VTI ROGAS.
[TGP] VTI ROGAS

[AMA] VTI ROGAS
[MMPH] VTI ROGAS
[MIP] ABSTINEO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] VTI ROGAS.
[MMA] VTI ROGAS.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] VTI ROGAS
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] VTI ROGAS
[GSA] ABSTINEO
[JSM] VTI ROGAS.
[LSA] VTI ROGAS
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] VTI ROGAS.



Results of Item IV: Uti Rogas, 22; Antiquo, 2; Abstineo, 3.
NOT PASSED amendments required 2/3 Senate to ratify



_____________________________________________________________________

ITEM V: PROPOSED AMENDMENT II
II 'Citizens and Gentes" Section B

[FAC] ABSTINEO
[LAF] VTI ROGAS. Vox Populi, Vox Dei
[MBA] VTI ROGAS
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS
[LECA] VTI ROGAS
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] ANTIQVO
[CFD] ANTIQVO
[TGP] VTI ROGAS

[AMA] VTI ROGAS
[MMPH] VTI ROGAS
[MIP] ABSTINEO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] VTI ROGAS.
[MMA] VTI ROGAS.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] VTI ROGAS
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] VTI ROGAS
[GSA] ABSTINEO
[JSM] VTI ROGAS.
[LSA] VTI ROGAS
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] ANTIQVO



Results of Item V: Uti Rogas, 20; Antiquo, 4; Abstineo, 3.
NOT PASSED amendments required 2/3 Senate to ratify




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_



Item VI: PROPOSED AMENDMENT III

[FAC] ABSTINEO
[LAF] VTI ROGAS. Vox Populi, Vox Dei
[MBA] VTI ROGAS
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS
[LECA] ANTIQVO
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] ANTIQVO
[CFD] VTI ROGAS.
[TGP] VTI ROGAS

[AMA] ANTIQVO
[MMPH] ANTIQVO: Antiquo: While I agree with the proposed Constitutional Amendment II that distinguishes between the right of provocatio and a new right of apellatio, and that establishes which Comitia shall act as apellate bodies under the circumstances stated in the proposal, as a former
Tribunus Plebis I can not in good conscious agree to the proposed Amendment III in that it goes on to reduce the judicial authority of our respective Comitia to being only apellate courts. I do not find
such a limitation of the Comitia justified by the wording of the proposed Amendment II or to be warranted by current circumstance.
[MIP] ABSTINEO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] VTI ROGAS.
[MMA] VTI ROGAS.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] VTI ROGAS
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] ANTIQVO
[GSA] ABSTINEO
[JSM] VTI ROGAS.
[LSA] VTI ROGAS
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] VTI ROGAS.



Results of Item VI: Uti Rogas, 18; Antiquo, 6 ; Abstineo, 3.

NOT PASSED amendments required 2/3 Senate to ratify



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Item VII: PROPOSED AMENDMENT IV
IV Magistrates 1. 'Censor'

[FAC] NO VOTE
[LAF] VTI ROGAS. Vox Populi, Vox Dei
[MBA] ANTIQVO: I agree with M. Octavius Gracchus on this one
[ECF] VTI ROGAS

[CCS] VTI ROGAS
[GEM] VTI ROGAS
[LECA] ANTIQVO
[GFBM] VTI ROGAS
[CFBQ] VTI ROGAS
[QFM] NO VOTE
[CFD] VTI ROGAS.
[TGP] ANTIQVO

[AMA] VTI ROGAS
[MMPH] VTI ROGAS
[MIP] ABSTINEO

[DIPI] ANTIQVO
[LMS] VTI ROGAS.
[MMA] VTI ROGAS.
[PMS] VTI ROGAS
[MOG] ANTIQVO: Villains should be allowed to run for office and be rejected by the people; this is an effective control on rogue Censors. (But we must also ensure there is an effective way of voting "NO"
against a candidate running unopposed).
[TOPA] VTI ROGAS
[GPL] ANTIQVO
[GSA] ABSTINEO
[JSM] ANTIQVO
[LSA] VTI ROGAS: I don't think the people's votes are sufficient safeguard against the election of a "villain." Villains are often effective demagogues.
[QSP] VTI ROGAS
[ATMC] VTI ROGAS.



Results of Item VII: Uti Rogas, 16; Antiquo, 7; Abstineo, 2. Two senators do not voted
NOT PASSED amendments required 2/3 Senate to ratify



Valete



M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS

TRIBVNVS PLEBIS


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48339 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: To the new Custodes and Diribitors.
Valetudo quod fortuna;

Blessings of the Turn of the Year be upon thee and thy families.

Once all the new Custodes and Diribitors are officially in place, I
should like to request that one and all contact me off list with your
preferred email address for receiving Nova Roma related messages.

My email address is familia.ulleria.venii(at)gmail(dot)com

I shall send an invitation to the Suffragia Romana list, which is
where the Custodes and Diribitors post their tallies and dicuss the
conduct of their duties.

Or, if one would rather try joining the list directly, send a message
here: suffragiaromana-subscribe(at)yahoogroups(dot)com

The list URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/suffragiaromana

I will remove the current Custodes and Diribitors, once this is accomplished.

Once I turn ownership of the list over to the Custodes, I will remove myself.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Diribitor

--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48340 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Praying for Iove
Oh, Iove, Iuno and Minerva, Triad of the Capitolium, soon the new
magistrates are to be created. Grant them wisdon to conduct the Republic
after two lustri of History.

--
Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus

"Vigilando, agendo, bene consulendo, prospera omnia cedunt" - Salustius


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48341 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Comitia results pending
Salvete, quirites,

It is 22:00 Rome time.

There is some results pending that will survive the consular passing.
I must say I automatically "approve" the actions consul Strabo would
need to take for ensure the results imediately after 0:00 Rome, even
if it pass her term. I ask the compreension of old and new
magistrates, specially the tribunes.

I urge the citizens that understand we are in a virtual comunity. On
Ancient Rome, everything were immediately on the elections.

So, I ask public compreension.

--
Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus

"Vigilando, agendo, bene consulendo, prospera omnia cedunt" - Salustius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48342 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Election Results - Comitia Populi Tributa 2759
Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Quiritibus Novae Romae S.P.D.

I have not received election results for this comitia. I am awaiting
the decisions of the custodes. I have written twice today, and I
furnished them with the voting schedule prior to the vote. I know the
diribitores finished their tallies a couple of days ago anyway. No
problems were reported with the cista.

As soon as I receive anything I shall let you know. But our term, and
that of the custodes draws to a close within hours.

Valete Omnes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48343 From: Pompeia Minucia Strabo Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Edictum Consulare - Outstanding Election Results Comitia Populi Tri
Pompeia Minucia Strabo Consul Quiritibus Novae Romae S.P.D.

By my imperium as Consul 2759 and after discussion with both incoming Consuls 2760, I hereby instruct the Custodes of 2759 to remain in their current magisterial capacities until they have certified and delivered to the 2760 Consuls, the outstanding election results of the Comitia Populi Tributa, OR until Ides Ian 2760, whichever comes first.

The imperium by which this edict receives legal force shall be uninterrupted as the incoming Consuls adopt its language.

The Custodes elected for 2760 shall take their oaths of office and assume their duties when instructed by the Consuls 2760 that the terms of this edict have been resolved.

Given by my hand Dec. 31, 2759 AUC.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48344 From: Pompeia Minucia Strabo Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Happy New Year and Thank you
Pompeia Senatus Populesque sal.

As this year draws to a close I would like to wish everyone an abundant 2760.

I thank the Senate and People of Nova Roma for granting me the honour of serving as Consul.

My thanks to my many friends and advisors who have helped me through the challenges of 2759.

My special thanks to my dear colleague, and Senior Consul 2759,Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus. He has been a pleasure to work with, and I wish him the very best in his term as Censor.

Valete Omnes

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48345 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Oath of office Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Salvete Nova Romans

I stand in awe of those who have stood here before me and I swear to do well by them and by you. Please keep me and my colleague, Lucius Arminius Faustus in your prayers.


I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus (Timothy Paul Gallagher) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus (Timothy Paul Gallagher) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus (Timothy Paul Gallagher) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus (Timothy Paul Gallagher) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus (Timothy Paul Gallagher ) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Consul to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


Done on this the Kal. IANVARIAS MMDCCLIX A.V.C


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48346 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Report of Piacular Caerimonia ad aedem Quirini Concordiaeque, III a
Scaurus Quiritibus SPD.

Report of Piacular Caerimonia ad aedem Quirini Concordiaeque, III a.d. Kal.Ian.

I have repeatedly requested that the Pontifex Maximus announce, as
required by the Decretum de ratione Collegii Pontificum, the adoption
of the Decretum de reparando concordiae et amicitiae by the Collegium
nearly a month ago. Despite repeated emails and phone calls -- and
promises from the Pontifex Maximus to deal with the matter -- there
has still been no announcement as required by law. I more fear
offending the Di Immortales and triggering a new round of piacula by
failing to perform the required expiations than violating the law by
performing the caerimonia before the Pontifex Maximus has officially
announced adoption of the decretum. If anyone deires to file an actio
for this decision, approach the praetores.

I erected an altar and foculus, then bathed in preparation. Garbed in
toga praetexta, cinctu Gabino, capite velato, I began the praefatio.

Praefatio

"Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
[Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites." I placed incense on the focus of the
altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum
Quiritum [Iuppiter Best and Greatest, by offering this incense to you
I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me and the
Senate and People of the Novaromans, the Quirites." I placed incense
on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
[Father Mars, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense on the focus of the
altar.

"Iuno mater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum
[Mother Iuno, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense on the focus of the
altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter Best
and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Mater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Mother Iuno, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Quirine pater, conditor Romae et defensor Novaromanorum Quiritum,
culpis magnis nostris discordiam in rebus civicis et delinquionem in
cura cultus deorum prodiderunt et nos, pontifices, sacerdotes,
Quirites, valde paenitent; te obsecrant uti nobis fidem auxiliumque
cum omnibus diis immortalibus Quiritum dones; donas sinceras atque
libamena casta praestant uti nobis Quiritibus pacem, concordiam
amicitiamque in rebus de cura cultus deorum adtribuas; in hoc modo
veniam petimus et vitia nostra expio expiamus; tibi fieri oportet
culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo macte hac illace dape pollucenda
est. [Father Quirinus, founder of Rome and protector of the
Novaromans, the Quirites, by our great errors we have produced discord
in civic matters and failure in maintenance of the cult of the Gods
and we, pontifices, priests, Quirites, are greatly sorry; we beseech
you that with all the immortal Gods of the Quirites you may give tous
support and aid; we furnish sincere offerings and pure libations in
order that you might grant to us, the Quirites, peace, concord, and
amity in matters concerning maintenance of the cult of the Gods; in
this manner we seek forgiveness and expiate our faults; it is proper
for a cup of wine to be given to you for the sacred feast, for the
sake of this thing may you be honoured by this feast offering.]" I
poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Concordia, pacifer gentium et creatrix amicitiae, educatrix optimae
naturae nostrae, culpis magnis nostris discordiam in rebus civicis et
delinquionem in cura cultus deorum prodiderunt et nos, pontifices,
sacerdotes, Quirites, valde paenitent; te obsecrant uti nobis fidem
auxiliumque cum omnibus diis immortalibus Quiritum dones; donas
sinceras atque libamena casta praestant uti nobis Quiritibus pacem,
concordiam amicitiamque in rebus de cura cultus deorum adtribuas; in
hoc modo veniam petimus et vitia nostra expio expiamus; tibi fieri
oportet culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo macte hac illace dape
pollucenda est. [Concordia, peace-bringer of nations and creator of
amity, nurturer of our best nature, by our great errors we have
produced discord in civic matters and failure in maintenance of the
cult of the Gods and we, pontifices, priests, Quirites, are greatly
sorry; we beseech you that with all the immortal Gods of the Quirites
you may give tous support and aid; we furnish sincere offerings and
pure libations in order that you might grant to us, the Quirites,
peace, concord, and amity in matters concerning maintenance of the
cult of the Gods; in this manner we seek forgiveness and expiate our
faults; it is proper for a cup of wine to be given to you for the
sacred feast, for the sake of this thing may you be honoured by this
feast offering.]" I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of
the altar.

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Concordia, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto
[Concordia, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be
honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Concordia cakes and wine on
the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio
esto [Father Quirinus, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may
you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Quirinus cakes and
wine on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Mater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Mother Iuno, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter Best
and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Vesta Mater, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Mother
Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Illicet. [It is finished.]"

I profaned the wine and cakes, and reclining on a pallet, beneeath a
blanket, beside the altar I partook of the epulum with Quirinus and
Concordia, praying as I ate and offering libations in my private
devotions.

Piaculum

The ritus I used was of my own composition, based on the expiatory
rituals of the Fratres Arvales. The usual expiatory sacrifice was a
suovetaurile -- the sacrifice of a boar, a ram, and a bull; however,
it was not possible to conduct a suovetaurile. Therefore, I concluded
with a specific piaculum to Quirinus and Concordia in the event that
the form and formulae of the caerimonia was displeasing.

"Quirine pater, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino
inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Father Quirinus, if anything
in this caerimonia is displeasing to you, with this humble wine I ask
forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I poured a libation from the
patera onto the focus of the altar.

"Concordia, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino
inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Concordia, if anything in
this caerimonia is displeasing to you, with this humble wine I ask
forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I poured a libation from the
patera onto the focus of the altar.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Pontifex et Flamen Quirinalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48347 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Oath of office of Tiberius Galerius Paulinus in Latin
Ego, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, hac re
ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque
Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, officio consulis interpone Tiberius
Galerius Paulinus Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus
meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica
privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam
defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse,
ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, consulis officiis muneris me quam
optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus consulis, Tiberius Galerius
Paulinus una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis
comitantibus ACCIPIO.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48348 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: A face to face meeting of the Collegium Pontificum
Salvete Romans

I would like to thank you for the high honor that you have bestowed
on me and that I have now taken up as Consul of Nova Roma. I also
wish to convey to you some of what I will endeavor to do in the
coming weeks and months.

The Senate of Nova Roma adopted a set of priorities on 31 August
2757. These priorities where reaffirm by Consuls Gaius Fabius Buteo
Modianus and Pompeia Minucia Strabo by edict in 2759. My Colleague
and I will reaffirm them as well.

The first priority adopted was

"The Religio Romana; it's promotion, preservation, protection, and
diffusion throughout the communities of Nova Roma."

We can not go forward with the "promotion, preservation, protection,
and diffusion"Â… of the Religio Romana while the Collegium
Pontificum and the other organs of the Religio Romana are at
loggerheads.

So in an effort to bring about reconciliation within the Collegium
Pontificum,to study the issues required to move the Collegiums
Pontificum forward and to advance the purpose for which Nova Roma
was founded, I will ask the members of the Collegium Pontificum and
the Senate of Nova Roma to facilitate a face to face meeting of the
entire Collegium Pontificum.

While some will dismiss this effort as pie in the sky and will say
it will accomplish nothing but broken noses, I say we have to try.
For if we do not try,we can not do and if we do not DO, why are we
here.

If the face to face meeting ends in the current deadlock we have
lost nothing but some time and some money. But if it succeeds, even
a little, we will have moved Nova Roma forward and will have
something to build on.

The time and place of the meeting will be determined by me in
consultation with the members of the Collegium Pontificum.

The Senate will be asked to appropriate funds for this effort and
the expenditure of these funds will be accounted for with receipts
and will be used for such items as rental of facilities, food,
nominal contributions to international travel and other expenditures
to accomplish the goals set for the meeting.

Individuals attending will be responsible for their own
transportation costs, their lodging costs and well as some costs
toward meals.

I have asked the two members of the Collegium Pontificum, Marcus
Antonius Gryllus Graecus and Gnaeus Salvius Astur, who live outside
the United States and who have the longest distance to travel, if
they would commit to attending the meeting. I await their response
to my letter send by email.

What I need from each of you is for you to talk to your friends in
the Collegium Pontificum and in a positive way encourage them to
attend. 2760 is the tenth year of the founding of Nova Roma and as
far as I know the Collegium Pontificum has never had a face to face
meeting set up solely for that purpose.

I believe it is long over due. I hope you agree.

I also ask that we make our tenth year our best year and that you
bless with your prayers the Religious officials, the magistrates and
all Nova Romans that we may work together in Concordia.


Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48349 From: Michael Orley Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Re: Happy New Year to All Fellow Nova Romans !!
Salvete Omnes !!

Warmest Wishes to everyone Citizens for a Bright, Happy and Prosperous
New Year !!

Pro Nova Roma !!

Decimus Svetonivs Lvpvs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48350 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Happy New Year
Salvete Nova Romans

I would like to wish everyone a safe and wondrous New Year.

I am now going out to celebrate like it was 2760 A.V.C.

All the best


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48351 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Praetorian Staff 2759 THANKS
Salvete Romans

I wanted to thank my Praetorian staff for the outstanding job they
did. Words can not express the level of my appreciation for their
service and the advice they have rendered this year.

Thank you. Thank you very much

A Apollonius Cordus
F. Galerius Aurelianus
Diana Octavia Aventina
Titus Iulius Sabinus
Titus Marcius Felix
Gaius Marius Aaquiliu
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
Quintus Sertorius

I ask that you remain at your posts as list moderators until
released by our new Praetors.

Most of my successes this year have been from following you advice.
The few setbacks can be attributed to not doing so on at least a few
occasions.

I wish each and everyone of you a long life and much happiness.


Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 48352 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2006-12-31
Subject: Oath of Office -- Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
I, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus (David Oliver Kling, Jr.), do solemnly swear
to uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the best interests of
the people and senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus (David Oliver
Kling, Jr.), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus (David Oliver Kling, Jr.), swear to uphold
and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus (David Oliver Kling, Jr.), swear to protect
and defend the constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus (David Oliver Kling, Jr.), further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Censor to the best of my abilities.

On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Censor and all the rights, privileges, obligations and
responsibilities attendant here to.


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