wuffa2001 <magewuffa@...> writes:

[...]

> well the Praetrix has said she will not follow the law in this.

Have you taken leave of your senses? She posted her oath, with her legal
name, in message http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRoma-Announce/message/1028

NovaRoma-Announce is an official venue of NovaRoma, as defined by the
constitution and other laws.

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

I, Pompeia Minucia Strabo (Susan Brett) do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the People and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Pompeia Minucia Strabo swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
life.

I, Pompeia Minucia Strabo, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Pompeia Minucia Strabo, swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Pompeia Minucia Strabo, further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Custos to
the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, I
accept the position of Custos and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

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Metellus Agricolae sal.

> Is it the case that the Feriae Iovi are observed on each month's Ides?
>
> If so, shall I add it monthly to the calendar page in the wiki?

In that order, Yes and I wouldn't (but there's nothing stopping you from
doing so). As I'm sure you already know, the average Roman citizen came
to know to expect a sacrifice to Iuppiter on the Ides, so it would be
something of redundant to restate it every month on the calendar. There
may be reasons not to include it monthly, but there are none of these
which trump the reasons *to* include it.

Vale,

Q. Caecilius Metellus

In a message dated 1/6/2007 6:55:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mlcinnyc@... writes:
C. Equitius Cato quirites NR SPD

Salvete omnes.

OK, let's put this all together in a more comprehensible form.

This is very interesting indeed.

As was pointed out, in an edict dated 7/7/99, the Dictator Vedius
Germanicus announced:

"As legally-appointed Dictator, I hereby alter that requirement (that
oaths must be posted on both the official email list and message
board). The oath of office may henceforth be issued in any
officially-sanctioned Nova Roma forum in front of three or more
witnesses (such as the email list, the message board, a public event,
etc.)."

However, in an edict dated 7/30/99, the Dictator Vedius announced:

"The requirement of magistrates to take an oath of office is hereby
eliminated. The constitution makes sufficient provision to safeguard
the honor and integrity of the State and its Religio. Should one or
more of the comitia decide otherwise, they may enact such a
requirement through a properly-enacted law."

So, under the general understanding that the most recent legal
instrument takes precedence, the taking of an oath of office appears
to have been eliminated entirely; even though the lex Iunia de
iusiurando was passed *after* the edicta of the Dictator were made (in
October of 2752 AUC (AD 1999) , the edicta of a Dictator override all
other legal instruments, including the lex Constitutiva (lex Const.
I.A.1).

On 8/12/99, the Senate of Nova Roma ratified the edicta of the
Dictator Vedius Germanicus, thereby placing them highest in legal
precedence in accordance with the lex Constitutiva. They may not be
overridden by leges passed in comitia. The Dictator did, however, say
that a comitia could re-instate the oath in a "properly-enacted" lex.

On 11/4/01, the lex Cassia Iunia de iusiurando was passed, which
*amended* the lex Iunia de iusiurando, adding the specifics of where
and when the oath should be taken; the question now appears: if a lex
no longer exists, can it be amended - or does the lex itself need to
be re-enacted?

It is my opinion that while the question of amending a lex which has
been eliminated is questionable, the edict passed by the Dictator
Vedius Germanicus is crystal clear; therefore, until a lex which both
states the requirements of an oath of office and the wording of such
an oath is enacted, the taking of an oath of office is not necessary.


I concur with the Praetor's reasoning here. The order of the Laws are very
clear. I wonder if Flavius Vedius might enlighten us why he eliminated the
oath? As for the Lex Cassia, it was enacted during the consulship of Flavius
Vedius and Marcus Cassius, so Vedius had to know about it. Vedius had been
dictator two years hence so it is possible that all of us forgot that he had
eliminated the oath as an official requirement, when the lex Cassia was ratified.
We have all taken oaths since the dictatorship.

Right now the oath is not a requirement but a courtesy. We have to bring the
lex Cassia up to our current standard.

Q. Fabius Maximus


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cato omnes SPD

Salvete.

There may be some scratching of heads here as Fabius Maximus replies
to a post which seems not to exist. It did - for one brief, shining
moment - but it was removed as I kept finding more layers to this
question in the tabularium, like unwrapping an onion.


So, as it stands - finally:

* magistrates must take the oath of office (lex Cassia Iunia de
iusiurando)

* the oath of office must be taken in one of the "public fora" of the
Republic (op. cit.)

* oaths of office must be taken in English (lex Cornelia de linguis
publicis)


Valete,

Cato

P. Memmius Albucius Sen. Fabio, Pr. Equitio omnibusque s.d.

Some words on the hierarchy of our legal rules, when the dictator is
concerned.

Our constitution defines the scope of the function and powers of a
dictator, which is an extraordinary magistrate :

"1. Dictator. In times of emergency, the Senate may appoint a
dictator to serve a term not to exceed six months. (..)The edicts of
the dictator are absolute within his sphere of influence, and subject
to neither intercessio or provocatio. (..)At the end of his term the
actions of the dictator shall be subject to final confirmation by the
Senate."

As any magistrate, a dictator does not make *formal* laws, but
edicts. What we don't *clearly* know, because our constitution keeps
silence on this point, whether the edicts may override an existing
law.

Let us say yes.

The constitutive article provides that (all) the actions - so all the
edicts - made by the dict. are subject to final confirmation.

What does it mean ? Does it mean that a confirmed edict become as
intangible as a rock ? For ever and ever, etc. ? No.

First, a dictatorial edict looses its prevailance on all other acts
from the moment the 6 months term ends.

Second, the Senate confirmation just means that the Senate
says : "O.K., you edict may remain in the corpus of current legal
acts.".

Here also, our constitution remains silent on another question :
"what is, from this moment, the legal nature of this edict ?". Is it
just an edict ? Is it a law ? Is it... something else ?

If we wanted to argue for a special force of this edict, we could
say : it has been confirmed by the Senate. Yes, and... what ?
As the constitution is silent on any further properties, we can just
conclude that the dict. edict get the force of a senatus consultum,
which is neither this of a law, and less that of the constitution.
But it adds nothing, specially if the confirmed edict has "abrogated"
a previous law. This is a wrong way.

The confirmation of the Senate just simply authorizes a posteriori
the possible intervention of the dictator in the field of the law
(lex). It is, at the same time, not much and much.

Then, after the dictatorship, the functioning of the institutions
work again normally, and the different comitia may pass laws which
abrogate what a confirmed edict would have set up.

And as the confirmed edict may be considered as a "law", we have here
an aplication of the general principle of law which says that in case
of conflict a more recent rule prevails on a previous rule of the
same level (law/law, edict/edict, etc.).

A little doubt may just arise concerning dict. edicts which would
have been passed in the traditional field of edicts, i.e. the scope
of every ordinary magistrate, central or provincial. Could a "normal"
edict issued, let us say, by a consul or a praetor, override a dict.
previous edict ?

I think so, because the constitution says that the Senate "confirms"
the act. Not that It adds to it a special value.

Valete ambo et omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
Propr. Galliae
Qu. aed. cur.
Acc. cos.





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato"
<mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

>
> Cato omnes SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> There may be some scratching of heads here as Fabius Maximus replies
> to a post which seems not to exist. It did - for one brief, shining
> moment - but it was removed as I kept finding more layers to this
> question in the tabularium, like unwrapping an onion.
>
>
> So, as it stands - finally:
>
> * magistrates must take the oath of office (lex Cassia Iunia de
> iusiurando)
>
> * the oath of office must be taken in one of the "public fora" of

the

> Republic (op. cit.)
>
> * oaths of office must be taken in English (lex Cornelia de linguis
> publicis)
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>

On 1/6/07, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

>
> As any magistrate, a dictator does not make *formal* laws, but
> edicts. What we don't *clearly* know, because our constitution keeps
> silence on this point, whether the edicts may override an existing
> law.
>
> Let us say yes.
>

I don't know that you have to go through all the legal reasoning to
reach a conclusion on this, it is recorded in the Dictatorial edicts:
======================================
Issued 7/30/99 by Dictator Flavius Vedius Germanicus
2) All edicta issued by me during my tenure as dictator (both previous
and subsequent to this edictum) shall have legal precidence
appropriate to their title as recorded in the aerarium Saturnii. That
is, edicta shall have the legal authority of edicta issued by a
dictator, Senatus consulta shall have the legal authority of an
ordinarily-passed Senatus consultum, et cetera. A law enacted by my
edictum may still be superceded by a law voted by the comitia, etc.
Appointments are to be regarded as having been made according to
whatever normal legal and/or constitutional process would be involved.
All documents listed in the "provisional documents" section of the
aerarium Saturnii are hereby put into effect as lex, decretum, Senatus
consultum, constitution et cetera, as appropriate. I do reserve the
right to make last-minute changes prior to my official laying down of
my office. Merely because something was enacted by my edictum as
dictator shall not necessarily imply that that thing bears with it the
full weight of a dictator's edictum.
==========================================

Again, I'm just curious on this topic and am reading up on things as
we go along, but it seems to me this is a summary of the relation of
the edicts to other laws, and how to update them.

Ti Octavius Avitus
--
Men are haunted by the vastness of eternity.
And so we ask ourselves: will our actions
echo across centuries?
Will strangers hear our names long after
we are gone, and wonder who we were,
how bravely we fought, how fiercely we loved?

Cato P. Memmio Albucio Q. Fabio Maximo SPD

Salvete.

Memmius Albucius, you wrote:

"What we don't *clearly* know, because our constitution keeps
silence on this point, whether the edicts may override an existing
law...Does it mean that a confirmed edict become as intangible as a
rock ? For ever and ever, etc. ? No."

I think the lex Constitutiva actually does address this:

"The edicta (edicts) of a dictator appointed under this Constitution
may override its provisions..." (lex Const. I.A.1)

"This Constitution shall be the highest legal authority within Nova
Roma, apart from edicts issued by a legally appointed dictator." (op.
cit. I.B)

"The edicta of an appointed Dictator may also alter this Constitution,
subject to ratification by the Senate." (op. cit. I.D)

"The edicts of the dictator are absolute within his sphere of
influence, and subject to neither intercessio or provocatio." (op.
cit. IV.B.1)

The picture the lex Constitutiva is painting is that of a position of
absolute authority, legally - if in his appointment the Senate
authorizes him to do so - even to the point of altering the lex
Constitutiva itself, an authority which no-one else besides the People
assembled in comitia are empowered to do. The ratified edicta of a
legally appointed Dictator do become law, and cannot even be
overturned by leges passed in comitia.

Valete,

Cato

Salvete,

Dictatorial edicts in ancient Rome, if I remember
correctly, had a time limit on them either stipulated
or until the dictatorship period was over.

I'll have to go dig out my Roman law texts. Where is
A. Apollonius Cordus?

Valete,

--- Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

> Cato P. Memmio Albucio Q. Fabio Maximo SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> Memmius Albucius, you wrote:
>
> "What we don't *clearly* know, because our
> constitution keeps
> silence on this point, whether the edicts may
> override an existing
> law...Does it mean that a confirmed edict become as
> intangible as a
> rock ? For ever and ever, etc. ? No."
>
> I think the lex Constitutiva actually does address
> this:
>
> "The edicta (edicts) of a dictator appointed under
> this Constitution
> may override its provisions..." (lex Const. I.A.1)
>
> "This Constitution shall be the highest legal
> authority within Nova
> Roma, apart from edicts issued by a legally
> appointed dictator." (op.
> cit. I.B)
>
> "The edicta of an appointed Dictator may also alter
> this Constitution,
> subject to ratification by the Senate." (op. cit.
> I.D)
>
> "The edicts of the dictator are absolute within his
> sphere of
> influence, and subject to neither intercessio or
> provocatio." (op.
> cit. IV.B.1)
>
> The picture the lex Constitutiva is painting is that
> of a position of
> absolute authority, legally - if in his appointment
> the Senate
> authorizes him to do so - even to the point of
> altering the lex
> Constitutiva itself, an authority which no-one else
> besides the People
> assembled in comitia are empowered to do. The
> ratified edicta of a
> legally appointed Dictator do become law, and cannot
> even be
> overturned by leges passed in comitia.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
>

A. Sempronius Regulus

America Austrorientalis


Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca
Astra inclinant, non necessitant. - Albinus
Hodie bonum est esse Romanum.

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Salvete,

Again, as indicated in my prior post, Roman law set a
time limit. If the account below is correct, then it
means Nova Roma does reflect ancient Rome's legal
traditions on this.

Valete,

--- Publius Memmius Albucius
<albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

> P. Memmius Albucius Sen. Fabio, Pr. Equitio
> omnibusque s.d.
>
> Some words on the hierarchy of our legal rules, when
> the dictator is
> concerned.
>
> Our constitution defines the scope of the function
> and powers of a
> dictator, which is an extraordinary magistrate :
>
> "1. Dictator. In times of emergency, the Senate may
> appoint a
> dictator to serve a term not to exceed six months.
> (..)The edicts of
> the dictator are absolute within his sphere of
> influence, and subject
> to neither intercessio or provocatio. (..)At the end
> of his term the
> actions of the dictator shall be subject to final
> confirmation by the
> Senate."
>
> As any magistrate, a dictator does not make *formal*
> laws, but
> edicts. What we don't *clearly* know, because our
> constitution keeps
> silence on this point, whether the edicts may
> override an existing
> law.
>
> Let us say yes.
>
> The constitutive article provides that (all) the
> actions - so all the
> edicts - made by the dict. are subject to final
> confirmation.
>
> What does it mean ? Does it mean that a confirmed
> edict become as
> intangible as a rock ? For ever and ever, etc. ? No.
>
> First, a dictatorial edict looses its prevailance on
> all other acts
> from the moment the 6 months term ends.
>
> Second, the Senate confirmation just means that the
> Senate
> says : "O.K., you edict may remain in the corpus of
> current legal
> acts.".
>
> Here also, our constitution remains silent on
> another question :
> "what is, from this moment, the legal nature of this
> edict ?". Is it
> just an edict ? Is it a law ? Is it... something
> else ?
>
> If we wanted to argue for a special force of this
> edict, we could
> say : it has been confirmed by the Senate. Yes,
> and... what ?
> As the constitution is silent on any further
> properties, we can just
> conclude that the dict. edict get the force of a
> senatus consultum,
> which is neither this of a law, and less that of the
> constitution.
> But it adds nothing, specially if the confirmed
> edict has "abrogated"
> a previous law. This is a wrong way.
>
> The confirmation of the Senate just simply
> authorizes a posteriori
> the possible intervention of the dictator in the
> field of the law
> (lex). It is, at the same time, not much and much.
>
> Then, after the dictatorship, the functioning of the
> institutions
> work again normally, and the different comitia may
> pass laws which
> abrogate what a confirmed edict would have set up.
>
> And as the confirmed edict may be considered as a
> "law", we have here
> an aplication of the general principle of law which
> says that in case
> of conflict a more recent rule prevails on a
> previous rule of the
> same level (law/law, edict/edict, etc.).
>
> A little doubt may just arise concerning dict.
> edicts which would
> have been passed in the traditional field of edicts,
> i.e. the scope
> of every ordinary magistrate, central or provincial.
> Could a "normal"
> edict issued, let us say, by a consul or a praetor,
> override a dict.
> previous edict ?
>
> I think so, because the constitution says that the
> Senate "confirms"
> the act. Not that It adds to it a special value.
>
> Valete ambo et omnes,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> Propr. Galliae
> Qu. aed. cur.
> Acc. cos.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius
> Cato"
> <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
> >
> > Cato omnes SPD
> >
> > Salvete.
> >
> > There may be some scratching of heads here as
> Fabius Maximus replies
> > to a post which seems not to exist. It did - for
> one brief, shining
> > moment - but it was removed as I kept finding more
> layers to this
> > question in the tabularium, like unwrapping an
> onion.
> >
> >
> > So, as it stands - finally:
> >
> > * magistrates must take the oath of office (lex
> Cassia Iunia de
> > iusiurando)
> >
> > * the oath of office must be taken in one of the
> "public fora" of
> the
> > Republic (op. cit.)
> >
> > * oaths of office must be taken in English (lex
> Cornelia de linguis
> > publicis)
> >
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
>
>
>

A. Sempronius Regulus

America Austrorientalis


Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca
Astra inclinant, non necessitant. - Albinus
Hodie bonum est esse Romanum.

ANNI MMDCCLX AVC (anno urbis conditae - a.u.c.)




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M. Hortensia A. Sempronio spd;
A. Apollonius Cordus is busy revising for his law exams.
But you have put the issue in it's proper persepective:
meaning turning to the practice of the republic.

We need to follow the model of the Republic. And that's what we
should be our guide. And Republican practice our model for the
swearing in of magistrates & any unecessary laws consigned to the
junkheap!m(upon a proper vote -naturally)
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

ps. Cordus has a Roman Law reading list in the NRWiki & I'll be
adding in areas such as augury, religious-civil law, the Calendar.
[Jorg Ropke says NP stands for Nefas Piaculum - so interesting] for
the quirites .

> Salvete,
>
> Again, as indicated in my prior post, Roman law set a
> time limit. If the account below is correct, then it
> means Nova Roma does reflect ancient Rome's legal
> traditions on this.
>
> Valete,
>
> --- Publius Memmius Albucius
> <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> > P. Memmius Albucius Sen. Fabio, Pr. Equitio
> > omnibusque s.d.
> >
> > Some words on the hierarchy of our legal rules, when
> > the dictator is
> > concerned.
> >
> > Our constitution defines the scope of the function
> > and powers of a
> > dictator, which is an extraordinary magistrate :
> >
> > "1. Dictator. In times of emergency, the Senate may
> > appoint a
> > dictator to serve a term not to exceed six months.
> > (..)The edicts of
> > the dictator are absolute within his sphere of
> > influence, and subject
> > to neither intercessio or provocatio. (..)At the end
> > of his term the
> > actions of the dictator shall be subject to final
> > confirmation by the
> > Senate."
> >
> > As any magistrate, a dictator does not make *formal*
> > laws, but
> > edicts. What we don't *clearly* know, because our
> > constitution keeps
> > silence on this point, whether the edicts may
> > override an existing
> > law.
> >
> > Let us say yes.
> >
> > The constitutive article provides that (all) the
> > actions - so all the
> > edicts - made by the dict. are subject to final
> > confirmation.
> >
> > What does it mean ? Does it mean that a confirmed
> > edict become as
> > intangible as a rock ? For ever and ever, etc. ? No.
> >
> > First, a dictatorial edict looses its prevailance on
> > all other acts
> > from the moment the 6 months term ends.
> >
> > Second, the Senate confirmation just means that the
> > Senate
> > says : "O.K., you edict may remain in the corpus of
> > current legal
> > acts.".
> >
> > Here also, our constitution remains silent on
> > another question :
> > "what is, from this moment, the legal nature of this
> > edict ?". Is it
> > just an edict ? Is it a law ? Is it... something
> > else ?
> >
> > If we wanted to argue for a special force of this
> > edict, we could
> > say : it has been confirmed by the Senate. Yes,
> > and... what ?
> > As the constitution is silent on any further
> > properties, we can just
> > conclude that the dict. edict get the force of a
> > senatus consultum,
> > which is neither this of a law, and less that of the
> > constitution.
> > But it adds nothing, specially if the confirmed
> > edict has "abrogated"
> > a previous law. This is a wrong way.
> >
> > The confirmation of the Senate just simply
> > authorizes a posteriori
> > the possible intervention of the dictator in the
> > field of the law
> > (lex). It is, at the same time, not much and much.
> >
> > Then, after the dictatorship, the functioning of the
> > institutions
> > work again normally, and the different comitia may
> > pass laws which
> > abrogate what a confirmed edict would have set up.
> >
> > And as the confirmed edict may be considered as a
> > "law", we have here
> > an aplication of the general principle of law which
> > says that in case
> > of conflict a more recent rule prevails on a
> > previous rule of the
> > same level (law/law, edict/edict, etc.).
> >
> > A little doubt may just arise concerning dict.
> > edicts which would
> > have been passed in the traditional field of edicts,
> > i.e. the scope
> > of every ordinary magistrate, central or provincial.
> > Could a "normal"
> > edict issued, let us say, by a consul or a praetor,
> > override a dict.
> > previous edict ?
> >
> > I think so, because the constitution says that the
> > Senate "confirms"
> > the act. Not that It adds to it a special value.
> >
> > Valete ambo et omnes,
> >
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> > Propr. Galliae
> > Qu. aed. cur.
> > Acc. cos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius
> > Cato"
> > <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cato omnes SPD
> > >
> > > Salvete.
> > >
> > > There may be some scratching of heads here as
> > Fabius Maximus replies
> > > to a post which seems not to exist. It did - for
> > one brief, shining
> > > moment - but it was removed as I kept finding more
> > layers to this
> > > question in the tabularium, like unwrapping an
> > onion.
> > >
> > >
> > > So, as it stands - finally:
> > >
> > > * magistrates must take the oath of office (lex
> > Cassia Iunia de
> > > iusiurando)
> > >
> > > * the oath of office must be taken in one of the
> > "public fora" of
> > the
> > > Republic (op. cit.)
> > >
> > > * oaths of office must be taken in English (lex
> > Cornelia de linguis
> > > publicis)
> > >
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
> America Austrorientalis
>
>
> Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca
> Astra inclinant, non necessitant. - Albinus
> Hodie bonum est esse Romanum.
>
> ANNI MMDCCLX AVC (anno urbis conditae - a.u.c.)
>
>
>
>
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Salvete,

In reply to my Two Queries post, Senator Gn Equitius
Marinus provided a link to the new Nova Roma coin.

There is more there than the current coin. Gaius
Vipsanius Agrippa also has a variety of other items.
After ordering the coins, I found other items there
and placed a second order. I enjoyed my visit at -

http://www.harpax.biz

Valete,


A. Sempronius Regulus

America Austrorientalis


Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca
Astra inclinant, non necessitant. - Albinus
Hodie bonum est esse Romanum.

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You have been right, Praetor, to complete my too short -though... ;-
) -painting.

But I must go on disagreeing on the point of view which considers
that :

> The ratified edicta of a legally appointed Dictator
> (..)cannot even be
> overturned by leges passed in comitia.

For, as I have written it in my previous message and has underlined
it Hon. A. Sempronius Regulus, the nature of the dictatorship is
precisely to be limited in time, to face an "emergency". The measures
taken are to be just useful to answer this emergency situation.
As such it is a situation to be faced in a hurry, in a way normal
institutions cannot provide.

Once the situation is over, the ordinary application of the common
powers works again. The dict. edicts considered as laws - and
constitution modifications - can naturally be overturned by laws
passed afterwards.

I think, imho, that arguing otherwise seems at the same time
unhistorical and would open the door to a nonsense legal system :
first because we should perhaps obey to an old dict. edict, taken
under our Ancients, and that would still be, and eternally, in
force ; second, imagine a dict. confirmed edict that would
said : "after this edict and the current dictatorship, the ordinary
working of the constitution will not work anymore ?"...!


Vale Praetor and valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
Propr. Galliae
Qu. aed. cur.
Acc. cos.




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato"
<mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

>
> Cato P. Memmio Albucio Q. Fabio Maximo SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> Memmius Albucius, you wrote:
>
> "What we don't *clearly* know, because our constitution keeps
> silence on this point, whether the edicts may override an existing
> law...Does it mean that a confirmed edict become as intangible as a
> rock ? For ever and ever, etc. ? No."
>
> I think the lex Constitutiva actually does address this:
>
> "The edicta (edicts) of a dictator appointed under this Constitution
> may override its provisions..." (lex Const. I.A.1)
>
> "This Constitution shall be the highest legal authority within Nova
> Roma, apart from edicts issued by a legally appointed dictator."

(op.

> cit. I.B)
>
> "The edicta of an appointed Dictator may also alter this

Constitution,

> subject to ratification by the Senate." (op. cit. I.D)
>
> "The edicts of the dictator are absolute within his sphere of
> influence, and subject to neither intercessio or provocatio." (op.
> cit. IV.B.1)
>
> The picture the lex Constitutiva is painting is that of a position

of

> absolute authority, legally - if in his appointment the Senate
> authorizes him to do so - even to the point of altering the lex
> Constitutiva itself, an authority which no-one else besides the

People

> assembled in comitia are empowered to do. The ratified edicta of a
> legally appointed Dictator do become law, and cannot even be
> overturned by leges passed in comitia.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>

Cato M. Hortensiae A. Sempronio SPD

Salvete.

Yes, following the model of the ancient Republic should always be our
foundation-stone. However, in this case, it is not quite clear that
we do.

We have a lex that addresses this question fairly directly, the lex
Arminia de ratione edictis. But note carefully the wording of section I:

"The purpose of this law is to determine the validity of the edicts of
Novaroman magistrates.

I. This lex is valid only for those magistrates defined in the Article
IV.A. of the Constitution, that is, the magistratus ordinarii.

II. An edict of a magistrate is valid only until the end of the year
when that edict was issued."

The Dictator and Interrex are specifically *excluded* from this
limitation on the life of edicta.

Valete,

Cato

P. Memmius Albucius Pr. Catoni s.d.


Lex Arminia de edictis just applies the constitution.It thus excludes
very logically the dictator and the interrex from the limitation on the
life of edicta that it provides.

Vale ac omnes,

P. Memmius Albucius
Propr. Galliae
Qu. aed. cur.
Acc. cos.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

(..) But note carefully the wording of section I:

>
> "The purpose of this law is to determine the validity of the edicts of
> Novaroman magistrates.
>
> I. This lex is valid only for those magistrates defined in the Article
> IV.A. of the Constitution, that is, the magistratus ordinarii.
>
> II. An edict of a magistrate is valid only until the end of the year
> when that edict was issued."
>
> The Dictator and Interrex are specifically *excluded* from this
> limitation on the life of edicta.

Cato Ti. Octavius sal.

Titus Octavius, you quoted the Dictator Vedius Germanicus, who wrote:

"Merely because something was enacted by my edictum as dictator shall
not necessarily imply that that thing bears with it the full weight of
a dictator's edictum."

Surely you can see that this is, of course, logically impossible: he
is saying that an edict issued by a dictator isn't necessarily a
dictator's edict. An edict issued by a dictator bears exactly the
same weight as a dictatorial edict, and even the issuer of an edict,
if he/she does so ex officio, cannot simply pretend that their
official power does not exist - otherwise, they would not be able to
issue it in the first place.

It is true that in the case of the taking of the oath of office the
Dictator specifically allowed for the People in comitia to re-enact a
lex requiring that practice - which would overturn his dictatorial
edict - and they did.

Vale,

Cato

On 1/6/07, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

> Cato Ti. Octavius sal.
> "Merely because something was enacted by my edictum as dictator shall
> not necessarily imply that that thing bears with it the full weight of
> a dictator's edictum."
>
> Surely you can see that this is, of course, logically impossible: he
> is saying that an edict issued by a dictator isn't necessarily a
> dictator's edict. An edict issued by a dictator bears exactly the
> same weight as a dictatorial edict, and even the issuer of an edict,
> if he/she does so ex officio, cannot simply pretend that their
> official power does not exist - otherwise, they would not be able to
> issue it in the first place.

Salve Cato,

I think you may have taken that out of context. As part of his edict,
he approved all Senatus Consulta, Leges, appointments that had been
pending his approval. Wha the was saying above was that items (Senatus
Consulta, Leges, Appointments) passed by his (that particular) edict
carried their normal weight and not the weight of edicts he put
forward independently.

Note the full wording of that section:
All documents listed in the "provisional documents" section of the
aerarium Saturnii are hereby put into effect as lex, decretum, Senatus
consultum, constitution et cetera, as appropriate. I do reserve the
right to make last-minute changes prior to my official laying down of
my office. Merely because something was enacted by my edictum as
dictator shall not necessarily imply that that thing bears with it the
full weight of a dictator's edictum.

This Edictum enacted those provisional documents, by entering them
into law as they normally would have been. At least, that is what he
seems to be saying.

Ti Octavius Avitus

--
Men are haunted by the vastness of eternity.
And so we ask ourselves: will our actions
echo across centuries?
Will strangers hear our names long after
we are gone, and wonder who we were,
how bravely we fought, how fiercely we loved?

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Decurio Decuriae Primae Sodalitatis Latinitatis: Quiritibus: salutem:

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Decurio of the First Decuria of the Latin Society, salutes his fellow-citizens:


For the request of Tullia Scholastica, Magistra of the Latin Sodalitas, I hereby announce the official list of the members of the First Decuria of the Latin Sodalitas. The members of the 1st Decuria are the most qualified people in Latin language associated with Nova Roma. Some of them are not citizens, but members of the Sodalitas. In the order of the members are first the citizens, then the foreign members.


DECURIA PRIMA SODALITATIS LATINITATIS

A. Gratius Auitus
A. Tullia Scholastica
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Sex. Pontius Pilatus Barbatus
A. Apollonius Cordus
Fausta Tarquitia Parua Francisca
C. Aemilius Papinianus
Ap. Iulius Priscus
M. Flauius Philippus Conseruatus
Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius
Cn. Saluius Astur
MÂ’ Constantinus Serapio
Liuia Cornelia Serena
Cn. Tullius Grandis
A. Tullius Seuerus
A. Vipsanius Ahenobarbus
M. Morauius Piscinus Horatianus
C. Marius Merullus
C. Cordius Symmachus
Cn. Aelius Baeticus Nebrissensis
Claudius Salix Dauianus
Kerastes Polythymos
Iohannes Patruus
Rodrigo Portela Sanchez
Symmakhos
Albinus Latinus
Kynetus Valesius
Peter Gray
D. Meadows

Curate uti valeatis optime!

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:DECVRIO:PRIMVS:
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> A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Decurio Decuriae Primae Sodalitatis Latinitatis:
> Quiritibus: salutem:
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Decurio of the First Decuria of the Latin Society,
> salutes his fellow-citizens:
>
>
> For the request of Tullia Scholastica, Magistra of the Latin Sodalitas, I
> hereby announce the official list of the members of the First Decuria of the
> Latin Sodalitas. The members of the 1st Decuria are the most qualified people
> in Latin language associated with Nova Roma. Some of them are not citizens,
> but members of the Sodalitas. In the order of the members are first the
> citizens, then the foreign members.
>
> ATS: Plurimas gratias! Some little corrections: Peter Gray has become a
> citizen, as have some of our other Latinitas members; his Roman name is P.
> Tullius Balaena, and Cn. Aelius Baeticus Nebrissensis has changed his nomen to
> something more authentic, simply Aelius. The double nomina are not authentic.
>
> Among these, A. Gratius Avitus and Albinus Latinus are world-class
> Latinists; A. Apollonius Cordus, Cn. Salvius Astur, Livia Cornelia Serena,
> Cn. Tullius Grandis, Johannes Patruus, and I, have successfully completed the
> combined Assimil Latin course with A. Gratius Avitus and are considered to be
> Latin speakers, that is, we can actually speak Latin, as well as write in it
> (needless to say that Avitus and Albinus can...). Several of the other
> members of decuria I can write extended compositions in Latin, while some can
> do so at the sentence level, if not the paragraph one. Sextus Pontius Pilatus
> Barbatus, C. Aemilius Papinianus, and Fausta Tarquitia Parva Francisca are
> among those capable of extended Latin composition; at least three belong to
> the Grex Latine Loquentium (as do Rodrigo Portela Sanchez and I), an all-Latin
> mailing list populated by the best Latinists in the world, as well as those of
> us who are learning from them. I apologize if I have missed anyone; I know
> that M. Flavius Philippus Conservatus is also a fine Latinist, and that some
> others who specialize in particular periods of Latin, particularly late ones,
> who could no doubt assist anyone who needs help with Latin. In addition,
> there are citizens who have left Latinitas, such as Pontifex Scaurus, who are
> also very competent Latinists. We now have a fairly good size core of fine
> Latinists here, and every now and again, another joins us, so we will gain
> respect as more and more trained classicists and Latinists hear the call of
> Nova Roma and improve the state of Latin here.
>
> There are also some upcoming students of Assimil II and Wheelock II
> (Grammatica Latina II) who should be reasonably competent by the end of the
> course...the former will be considered Latin speakers upon successful
> completion of Assimil II (Sermo Latinus II).
>
> DECURIA PRIMA SODALITATIS LATINITATIS
>
> A. Gratius Auitus
> A. Tullia Scholastica
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
> Sex. Pontius Pilatus Barbatus
> A. Apollonius Cordus
> Fausta Tarquitia Parua Francisca
> C. Aemilius Papinianus
> Ap. Iulius Priscus
> M. Flauius Philippus Conseruatus
> Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius
> Cn. Saluius Astur
> M¹ Constantinus Serapio
> Liuia Cornelia Serena
> Cn. Tullius Grandis
> A. Tullius Seuerus
> A. Vipsanius Ahenobarbus
> M. Morauius Piscinus Horatianus
> C. Marius Merullus
> C. Cordius Symmachus
> Cn. Aelius Baeticus Nebrissensis
> Claudius Salix Dauianus
> Kerastes Polythymos
> Iohannes Patruus
> Rodrigo Portela Sanchez
> Symmakhos
> Albinus Latinus
> Kynetus Valesius
> Peter Gray
> D. Meadows
>
> Curate uti valeatis optime!
>
> :CN:CORN:LENTVLVS:
> :DECVRIO:PRIMVS:
> :SODALITATIS:LATINITATIS:
>

Et tu, et vos omnes!

A. Tullia Scholastica
Interpres Linguae Latinae
Magistra Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Sodalis Gregis Latine Loquentium

P.S. A reminder: in accordance with our charter, it is not possible to
join the Latin sodality without joining the mailing list; one cannot join
via the Album Civium alone. The same is true of Musarum.

ATS



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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
<postumianus@...> wrote:

>
> Metellus Agricolae sal.
>
> > Is it the case that the Feriae Iovi are observed on each month's Ides?
> >
> > If so, shall I add it monthly to the calendar page in the wiki?
>
> In that order, Yes and I wouldn't (but there's nothing stopping you

from

> doing so). As I'm sure you already know, the average Roman citizen

came

> to know to expect a sacrifice to Iuppiter on the Ides, so it would be
> something of redundant to restate it every month on the calendar.

There

> may be reasons not to include it monthly, but there are none of these
> which trump the reasons *to* include it.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Caecilius Metellus
>

Salve Metelle,

I think we have to stress the educational value of the wiki pages. Not
only do we have a steady flow of new citizens, but I have found that
quite a few people link to us for this kind of information. It may be
a bit tedious to those familiar with the details of the calendar, but
repeating things can help the much greater number of people who come
to us for basic information.

optime vale!

M. Lucretius Agricola

Cato Ti. Octavio sal.

I think you may be correct :-)

It's sort of circular: the dictatorial edict places all the legal
instruments in their constitutional places - including the dictatorial
edicts, which then have highest legal precedence.

This relationship between dictatorial edicts and the rest of the law
is an interesting one, and I'm going to delve further on my own.

Vale,

Cato

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VII Idus Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.


"Such was the speech that Romulus, following the instructions of his
grandfather, as I have said, made to the people. And they, having
consulted together by themselves, returned this answer: 'We have no
need of a new form of government and we are not going to change the
one which our ancestors approved of as the best and handed down to us.
In this we show both a deference for the judgment of our elders, whose
superior wisdom we recognize in establishing it, and our own
satisfaction with our present condition. For we could not reasonably
complain of this form of government, which has afforded us under our
kings the greatest of human blessings — liberty and the rule over
others. Concerning the form of government, then, this is our
decision; and to of this honour we conceive none has so good a title
as you yourself by reason both of your royal birth and of your merit,
but above all because we have had you as the leader of our colony and
recognize in you great ability and great wisdom, which we have seen
displayed quite as much in your actions as in your words.' Romulus,
hearing this, said it was a great satisfaction to him to be judged
worthy of the kingly office by his fellow men, but that he would not
accept the honour until Heaven, too, had given its sanction by
favourable omens.

And when the people approved, he appointed a day on which he proposed
to consult the auspices concerning the sovereignty; and when the time
was come, he rose at break of day and went forth from his tent. Then,
taking his stand under the open sky in a clear space and first
offering the customary sacrifice, he prayed to King Jupiter and to the
other gods whom he had chosen for the patrons of the colony, that, if
it was their pleasure he should be king of the city, some favourable
signs might appear in the sky. After this prayer a flash of lightning
darted across the sky from the left to the right. Now the Romans look
upon the lightning that passes from the left to the right as a
favourable omen, having been thus instructed either by the Tyrrhenians
or by their own ancestors. Their reason is, in my opinion, that the
best seat and station for those who take the auspices is that which
looks toward the east, from whence both the sun and the moon rise as
well as the planets and fixed stars; and the revolution of the
firmament, by which all things contained in it are sometimes above the
earth and sometimes beneath it, begins its circular motion thence.
Now to those who look toward the east the parts facing toward the
north are on the left and those extending toward the south are on the
right, and the former are by nature more honourable than the latter.
For in the northern parts the pole of the axis upon which the
firmament turns is elevated, and of the five zones which girdle the
sphere the one called the arctic zone is always visible on this side;
whereas in the southern parts the other zone, called the antarctic, is
depressed and invisible on that side. So it is reasonable to assume
that those signs in the heavens and in mid-air are the best which
appear on the best side; and since the parts that are turned toward
the east have preüeminence over the western parts, and, of the eastern
parts themselves, the northern are higher than the southern, the
former would seem to be the best. But some relate that the ancestors
of the Romans from very early times, even before they had learned it
from the Tyrrhenians, looked upon the lightning that came from the
left as a favourable omen. For they say that when Ascanius, the son of
Aeneas, was warred upon and besieged by the Tyrrhenians led by their
king Mezentius, and was upon the point of making a final sally out of
the town, his situation being now desperate, he prayed with
lamentations to Jupiter and to the rest of the gods to encourage this
sally with favourable omens, and thereupon out of a clear sky there
appeared a flash of lightning coming from the left; and as this battle
had the happiest outcome, this sign continued to be regarded as
favourable by his posterity." - Dionysius of Halicarnasus, "Roman
Antiquities" 2.4-5


"The officer who brought them home to Pompey spread amongst the people
no very fair or favourable report of Caesar, and flattered Pompey
himself with false suggestions that he was wished for by Caesar's
army; and though his affairs here were in some embarrassment through
the envy of some, and the ill state of the government, yet there the
army was at his command, and if they once crossed into Italy would
presently declare for him; so weary were they of Caesar's endless
expeditions, and so suspicious of his designs for a monarchy. Upon
this Pompey grew presumptuous, and neglected all warlike preparations
as fearing no danger, and used no other means against him than mere
speeches and votes, for which Caesar cared nothing. And one of his
captains, it is said, who was sent by him to Rome, standing before the
senate-house one day, and being told that the senate would not give
Caesar longer time in his government, clapped his hand on the hilt of
his sword and said, 'But this shall.'

Yet the demands which Caesar made had the fairest colours of equity
imaginable. For he proposed to lay down his arms, and that Pompey
should do the same, and both together should become private men, and
each expect a reward of his services from the public. For that those
who proposed to disarm him, and at the same time to confirm Pompey in
all the power he held, were simply establishing the one in the tyranny
which they accused the other of aiming at. When Curio made these
proposals to the people in Caesar's name, he was loudly applauded, and
some threw garlands towards him, and dismissed him as they do
successful wrestlers, crowned with flowers. Antony, being tribune,
produced a letter sent from Caesar on this occasion, and read it
though the consuls did what they could to oppose it. But Scipio,
Pompey's father-in-law, proposed in the senate, that if Caesar did not
lay down his arms within such a time he should be voted an enemy; and
the consuls putting it to the question, whether Pompey should dismiss
his soldiers, and again, whether Caesar should disband his, very few
assented to the first, but almost all to the latter. But Antony
proposing again, that both should lay down their commissions, all but
a very few agreed to it. Scipio was upon this very violent, and
Lentulus, the consul, cried aloud, that they had need of arms, and not
of suffrages, against a robber; so that the senators for the present
adjourned, and appeared in mourning as a mark of their grief for the
dissension." - Plutarch, Lives, "Caesar"

On this day in 49 B.C., Gaius Iulius Caesar was ordered by the Senate
of Rome to disband his troops. Born with unbridled political ambition
and unsurpassed oratory skills, Julius Caesar manipulated his way to
the position of consul of Rome in 59 BC. After his year of service he
was named governor of Gaul where he amassed a personal fortune and
exhibited his outstanding military skill in subduing the native Celtic
and Germanic tribes. Caesar's popularity with the people soared,
presenting a threat to the power of the Senate and to Pompey, who held
power in Rome. Accordingly, the Senate called upon Caesar to resign
his command and disband his army or risk being declared an "Enemy of
the State". Pompey was entrusted with enforcing this edict - the
foundation for civil war was laid.

It was January 49 B.C., Caesar was staying in the northern Italian
city of Ravenna and he had a decision to make. Either he acquiesced to
the Senate's command or he moved southward to confront Pompey and
plunge the Roman Republic into a bloody civil war. An ancient Roman
law forbade any general from crossing the Rubicon River and entering
Italy proper with a standing army. To do so was treason. This tiny
stream would reveal Caesar's intentions and mark the point of no return.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Plutarch, Caesar at the Rubicon
(http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/caesar.htm)

> A. Tullia Scholastica iterum Cn. Cornelio Lentulo quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> And I should point out that Lentulus is also an excellent Latinist in his
> own right. I asked him to do this so that the magistrates and citizens could
> see who is competent to assist them with Latin should the need arise...and so
> that everyone could see that we have nearly 30 people here who can write in
> Latin, as well as others who can read it. There are also others who do not
> belong to the sodalitas Latinitatis who are just as capable as those in the
> first decuria of the sodalitas. The sodalitas now has about 350 members, but
> one MUST join the mailing list to be a member of the sodalitas. Vivat
> Latinitas!
>
> Valete.
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Decurio Decuriae Primae Sodalitatis Latinitatis:
> Quiritibus: salutem:
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Decurio of the First Decuria of the Latin Society,
> salutes his fellow-citizens:
>
>
> For the request of Tullia Scholastica, Magistra of the Latin Sodalitas, I
> hereby announce the official list of the members of the First Decuria of the
> Latin Sodalitas. The members of the 1st Decuria are the most qualified people
> in Latin language associated with Nova Roma. Some of them are not citizens,
> but members of the Sodalitas. In the order of the members are first the
> citizens, then the foreign members.
>
> ATS: Plurimas gratias! Some little corrections: Peter Gray has become a
> citizen, as have some of our other Latinitas members; his Roman name is P.
> Tullius Balaena, and Cn. Aelius Baeticus Nebrissensis has changed his nomen
> to
> something more authentic, simply Aelius. The double nomina are not
> authentic.
>
> Among these, A. Gratius Avitus and Albinus Latinus are world-class
> Latinists; A. Apollonius Cordus, Cn. Salvius Astur, Livia Cornelia Serena,
> Cn. Tullius Grandis, Johannes Patruus, and I, have successfully completed the
> combined Assimil Latin course with A. Gratius Avitus and are considered to be
> Latin speakers, that is, we can actually speak Latin, as well as write in it
> (needless to say that Avitus and Albinus can...). Several of the other
> members of decuria I can write extended compositions in Latin, while some can
> do so at the sentence level, if not the paragraph one. Sextus Pontius Pilatus
> Barbatus, C. Aemilius Papinianus, and Fausta Tarquitia Parva Francisca are
> among those capable of extended Latin composition; at least three belong to
> the Grex Latine Loquentium (as do Rodrigo Portela Sanchez and I), an all-Latin
> mailing list populated by the best Latinists in the world, as well as those of
> us who are learning from them. I apologize if I have missed anyone; I know
> that M. Flavius Philippus Conservatus is also a fine Latinist, and that some
> others who specialize in particular periods of Latin, particularly late ones,
> who could no doubt assist anyone who needs help with Latin. In addition,
> there are citizens who have left Latinitas, such as Pontifex Scaurus, who are
> also very competent Latinists. We now have a fairly good size core of fine
> Latinists here, and every now and again, another joins us, so we will gain
> respect as more and more trained classicists and Latinists hear the call of
> Nova Roma and improve the state of Latin here.
>
> There are also some upcoming students of Assimil II and Wheelock II
> (Grammatica Latina II) who should be reasonably competent by the end of the
> course...the former will be considered Latin speakers upon successful
> completion of Assimil II (Sermo Latinus II).
>
> DECURIA PRIMA SODALITATIS LATINITATIS
>
> A. Gratius Auitus
> A. Tullia Scholastica
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
> Sex. Pontius Pilatus Barbatus
> A. Apollonius Cordus
> Fausta Tarquitia Parua Francisca
> C. Aemilius Papinianus
> Ap. Iulius Priscus
> M. Flauius Philippus Conseruatus
> Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius
> Cn. Saluius Astur
> M¹ Constantinus Serapio
> Liuia Cornelia Serena
> Cn. Tullius Grandis
> A. Tullius Seuerus
> A. Vipsanius Ahenobarbus
> M. Morauius Piscinus Horatianus
> C. Marius Merullus
> C. Cordius Symmachus
> Cn. Aelius Baeticus Nebrissensis
> Claudius Salix Dauianus
> Kerastes Polythymos
> Iohannes Patruus
> Rodrigo Portela Sanchez
> Symmakhos
> Albinus Latinus
> Kynetus Valesius
> Peter Gray
> D. Meadows
>
> Curate uti valeatis optime!
>
> :CN:CORN:LENTVLVS:
> :DECVRIO:PRIMVS:
> :SODALITATIS:LATINITATIS:
>
> Et tu, et vos omnes!
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
> Interpres Linguae Latinae
> Magistra Sodalitatis Latinitatis
> Sodalis Gregis Latine Loquentium
>
> P.S. A reminder: in accordance with our charter, it is not possible to
> join the Latin sodality without joining the mailing list; one cannot join
> via the Album Civium alone. The same is true of Musarum.
>
> ATS

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In a message dated 1/6/2007 1:43:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mlcinnyc@... writes:

The picture the lex Constitutiva is painting is that of a position of
absolute authority, legally - if in his appointment the Senate
authorizes him to do so - even to the point of altering the lex
Constitutiva itself, an authority which no-one else besides the People
assembled in comitia are empowered to do. The ratified edicta of a
legally appointed Dictator do become law, and cannot even be
overturned by leges passed in comitia.





That was the way I recall Vedius comments on the matter. It was a turbulent
time in Nova Roma, Flavius Vedius was appointed and did the work of
reorganization as fast as possible. Two weeks was the period as I remember. Vedius
made sure the new Senate ratified his changes before resigning as dictator.
Then Decius Iunius Palladius and L. Cornelius Sulla became the Consuls,
Cornelius being elected in the mid term.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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In a message dated 1/6/2007 2:01:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
a_sempronius_regulus@... writes:

Roman law set a
time limit



Not always. It depended on the situation.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salvete Omnes,S.P.D..

Citizens of Nova Roma,Greetings and Salutations.

Anyone with an interest in the following,and the time, inclination,and initiative, please contact me if you will.

Roman:
Cooking
Art
Archeology
Poetry
Military
Religeo
History
Fiction
Architecture
Engineering
Or related diciplines to be published in the Aquila Newsletter.

Appius Galerius Aurelianus
Editer Commentariorum
Aquila,Nova Roma



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I, Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege(Iuliana Loredana Barleaza) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege(Iuliana Loredana Barleaza) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege(Iuliana Loredana Barleaza) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege(Iuliana Loredana Barleaza) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege(Iuliana Loredana Barleaza) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Curule Aedile and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


valete,






Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege
Provincial Sacerdos
Legatus Internis Rebus Provincia Dacia.

Qui dedit beneficium taceat; narrat qui accepit. (L. Annaeus Seneca)



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Metellus Agricolae salutem plurimam dicit.

> I think we have to stress the educational value of the wiki pages. Not
> only do we have a steady flow of new citizens, but I have found that
> quite a few people link to us for this kind of information. It may be
> a bit tedious to those familiar with the details of the calendar, but
> repeating things can help the much greater number of people who come
> to us for basic information.

I certainly don't disagree with you on any of this. On the issue of
the Feriae Iovi of the Ides of each month, there may be a better place
for that (namely, either http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_dates or
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_calendar). I'll get working on that
as soon as I get home from work.

Agricola Metello sal.

Would each Kalends be "feriae Iunonis"?

optime vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Caecilius Metellus"
<postumianus@...> wrote:

>
> Metellus Agricolae salutem plurimam dicit.
>
> > I think we have to stress the educational value of the wiki pages. Not
> > only do we have a steady flow of new citizens, but I have found that
> > quite a few people link to us for this kind of information. It may be
> > a bit tedious to those familiar with the details of the calendar, but
> > repeating things can help the much greater number of people who come
> > to us for basic information.
>
> I certainly don't disagree with you on any of this. On the issue of
> the Feriae Iovi of the Ides of each month, there may be a better place
> for that (namely, either http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_dates or
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_calendar). I'll get working on that
> as soon as I get home from work.
>

Salvete Romans

I will try and show the order of the events on oaths
and why the taking of an oath is required and will
result in an office remaining vacant until it is taken
in the legally prescribed manner.

History

At some time in Nova Roman history an oath was
adopted but the source of this original enactment,
by SC or Lex has been lost to the dim mist of history.
(yes I know we are almost ten years old).

Second, because of a subsequent crisis a dictator was appointed.

In a number of edicts that were then ratified by the Senate of
Nova Roma the said oath was first modified as to which fora
it had to be posted to:

Issued by Dictator Flavius Vedius Germanicus 7/7/99 (2752)

"As legally-appointed Dictator, I hereby alter that requirement
(that oaths must be posted on both the official email list and
message board). The oath of office may henceforth be issued in
any officially-sanctioned Nova Roma forum in front of three or
more witnesses (such as the email list, the message board,
a public event, etc.). "

The next event which has bearing on the oath is the last all
encompassing edict of Dictator Flavius Vedius Germanicus
in which he wrote

Various Edicta
Issued by dictator Flavius Vedius Germanicus, 7/30/99. (2752
As legally appointed dictator of Nova Roma, I hereby issue
the following edicta:

SNIP
Â…2) "All edicta issued by me during my tenure as dictator
(both previous and subsequent to this edictum) shall have
legal precedence appropriate to their title as recorded in the
aerarium Saturnii. That is, edicta shall have the legal authority
of edicta issued by a dictator, Senatus consulta shall have the
legal authority of an ordinarily-passed Senatus consultum,
et cetera. A law enacted by my edictum may still be superseded
by a law voted by the comitia, etc. "

SNIP

Â….5) "The requirement of magistrates to take an oath of office is
hereby eliminated. The constitution makes sufficient provision to
safeguard the honor and integrity of the State and its Religio.
Should one or more of the comitia decide otherwise, they may enact such
a requirement through a properly-enacted lawÂ… "

The Lex Iunia Iusiurando which contained a new oath of office was passed
by Comitia, Yes-21; No-4; Abstain-x 19 October 2752, which is after the
dictatorship had ended in August and was in keeping with the above
provisions of his last edict.

The last act in the evolution of our oath is the adoption of the
Lex Cassia Iunia de Iusiurando which was also adopted after the
end of the dictatorship on 04 Nov 54 Centuriata Comitia

"The Lex Iunia Iusiurando is hereby amended so that the following
preface will be placed before the Oath of Office:

"The Lex Iunia Iusiurando is hereby enacted to put in place an
Oath of Office for any citizen assuming any magistracy of
Nova Roma, whether elected or appointed. "

"The following oath must be taken publicly in the major public
fora of Nova Roma before someone elected or appointed to any
magistracy can assume his or her office. It must be taken on the
day, or as soon as possible afterwards, that the office is to be
assumed. The office shall be considered vacant until the oath is
taken. "...

So to sum up

Oath adopted some time in our distant past.
(the first two years of Nova Roma)

Posting of fora of Oath changed by Dictatorial edict on
7/7/99 (2752)

Oath eliminated by later Dictatorial edict which also,
stated the Comitias could enact a new one.7/30/99. (2752)

A new oath was adopted by the Centuriata Comitia on 19 October
1999 ( 2752) entitled the Lex Iunia Iusiurando.

The Lex Iunia Iusiurando was amended on 04 Nov 2001 (2754)
by the Centuriata Comitia through the Lex Cassia Iunia de Iusiurando
which states in part:

"The following oath must be taken publicly in the major public fora of
Nova Roma before someone elected or appointed to any magistracy can
assume his or her office. It must be taken on the day, or as soon as
possible afterwards, that the office is to be assumed. The office shall
be considered vacant until the oath is taken."

So the Lex Cassia Iunia de Iusiurando states not only that it has to be
taken but it has to be taken with in a few days of January 1st. It
further states that the office is vacant until it is taken.

The Lex Iunia Iusiurando, which contains the actual oath ,only had a
preface added to the Lex and the oath itself was not altered.It required
and still does require the inclusion of ones LEGAL name.

As Praetor Gaius Equitius Cato has stated the lex Cornelia de
linguis publicis says,

"II. Latin is hereby adopted as the official ceremonial language of
Nova Roma. As such, it shall be used in rites conducted by the
Curule magistrates and appointed priests of Nova Roma on behalf of the
entire nation, as well as other circumstances where it may
be deemed appropriate.

III. English is hereby adopted as the business language of Nova
Roma's central government. As such, it shall be used in official
communications from and day-to-day business conducted by the central
government (defined for purposes of this proviso as the Senate and
non-provincial magistrates). Other languages may be used in such
communications where deemed appropriate, but an English translation must
accompany such communications."

The Encarta ® World English Dictionary states that an oath is a
solemn promise: a formal or legally binding pledge Â….

Our oath serves two purposes. It is both ceremonial in nature as
all oaths are and serves us as a legally binding promise.

It is noting more and nothing less than that.

If you have not taken the oath in the legally prescribed manner
please do so.

The legally prescribed manner is :

Posting in English ( and if one chooses any addition languages)
The inclusion of ones legal and Nova Roman name.
The correct office you are serving in and taking it as close to
January 1 as possible. Posting to either the Main list or
the Announce list

I want to thank those magistrate who have taken the time to reissue
their oaths.

It is apprecated.


Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul

Cn. Iulius Caesar Quiritibus sal.

The link below is to the blog for Gaius Equitius Cato, Praetor. This
will be updated with matters, amongst others, relating to his
praetorian duties.

http://gaiusequitiuscato.blogspot.com/

> A. Tullia Scholastica Ap. Galerio Aureliano quiritibus S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salvete Omnes,S.P.D..
>
> Citizens of Nova Roma,Greetings and Salutations.
>
> Anyone with an interest in the following,and the time, inclination,and
> initiative, please contact me if you will.
>
> Roman:
> Cooking
> Art
> Archeology
> Poetry
> Military
> Religeo
> History
> Fiction
> Architecture
> Engineering
> Or related diciplines to be published in the Aquila Newsletter.
>
>
> ATS: Um, you seem to have forgotten Latin, and other linguistic matters
> previously touched upon in Aquila, or so I have heard. Religio, por favor.
>
> Appius Galerius Aurelianus
> Editer Commentariorum
> Aquila,Nova Roma
>
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica

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M. Hortensia G. Equitio spd;
you look better than your blog picture;-)
Maior

>
> Cn. Iulius Caesar Quiritibus sal.
>
> The link below is to the blog for Gaius Equitius Cato, Praetor. This
> will be updated with matters, amongst others, relating to his
> praetorian duties.
>
> http://gaiusequitiuscato.blogspot.com/
>

Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Quiritibus salutem.

Salvete Quirites,

It seems that in my haste to publish the nundinal calendar for this
nundinum, I have made quite a few errors. So let me correct those now.

> a.d. XIX Kal. Feb., Endotercisus

This day, as a nundina, should instead be Fastus.

> Carmentalia (a.d. V Id. Ian. and a.d. III Id. Ian.)

The correct dates for this should be a.d. III Id. Ian. and a.d. XVIII
Kal. Feb.

Also missing is, on a.d. V Id., the Agonium (Ianuarianum).

My apologies for the errors. Fortunately, I have a bit more time on my
hands to recheck things before I publish the next nundinal calendar.

Optime Valete in Pace Deorum!

QVINTVS·CAECILIVS·L·F·SAB·METELLVS·POSTVMIANVS
PONTIFEX

Agricola Maiori sal.

No, that is what he looks like after a year in office in Nova Roma...

optime vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia G. Equitio spd;
> you look better than your blog picture;-)
> Maior
> >
> > Cn. Iulius Caesar Quiritibus sal.
> >
> > The link below is to the blog for Gaius Equitius Cato, Praetor. This
> > will be updated with matters, amongst others, relating to his
> > praetorian duties.
> >
> > http://gaiusequitiuscato.blogspot.com/
> >
>

Citizens Of Nova Roma,Salvete,S.P.D..

As the Editor Commtariorum I am calling upon a person to fill the Position of Business Manager for the Aquila newsletter.

Duties of Business Manager:
1.) To raise funds through contribution's , advertisement and subscriptions.
2.)To deliver cost analysis per issue.
3.)To represent all business aspects of the Aquila to the Senate and the People of Rome.
4.)To seek the support of reenactment groups, and Roman efficianados.
5.)To give advise to the editorial staff as needed.

Salvete omnes,

Appius Galerius Aurelianus
Editor Commentariorum
Aquila,Nova Roma

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Citizens of Nova Roma

Salvete Omnes,S.P.D.

I would like to take this opportunity ,to thank all the citizens of Rome who have deluged me with e-mails in response to my call for contributors to the Aquila Newsletter.Rest assured ,that I will contact each and everyone of you personally, as soon as possible.As you can imagine I have quite a workload before me here in the beginning stages of my editorialship and the formation of a staff.I am also prone to make some mistakes at first ,so I beg your indulgences.I am delighted to represent this great republic in this challenging ,and thoroughly enjoyable position.Thank you once again.

Valete,
Appius Galerius Aurelianus
Editor Commentariorum
Aquila,Nova Roma

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>
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Maiori quiritibus S.P.D.
>
>
> M. Hortensia G. Equitio spd;
> you look better than your blog picture;-)
>
> ATS: I think one is the original Cato, not ours...and the other is the
> Album Civium one. Yes, he does look better than that...
>
> Maior
>> >
>> > Cn. Iulius Caesar Quiritibus sal.
>> >
>> > The link below is to the blog for Gaius Equitius Cato, Praetor. This
>> > will be updated with matters, amongst others, relating to his
>> > praetorian duties.
>> >
>> > http://gaiusequitiuscato.blogspot.com/
>> >
>

Valete.


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C. Aurelia Falco Silvana D. Octaviae Aventinae omnibus
civibus SPD.

We've seen a number of people post to this mailing list,
over the past year, saying that they couldn't handle the
volume of e-mail.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
<dianaaventina@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete,
>
> One of the duties that I had in 2006 was to keep track
> of the reasons why people/citizens unsubscribed from the
> main List. Anyone who unsubscribe received an automated
> message from me (sent on behalf of and with permission
> from the Praetores) asking for feedback. The results
> surprised me.

Not surprising at all. See below.

> Like me, I think most of you thought/think that most
> unsubscriptions are caused by bickering on the ML or that
> the topics are mostly about NR and not ancient Rome. That
> now seems not to be true at all. I received about 50
> emails from people/citizens who unsubscribed. Only 2 or
> 3 complained of bickering/infighting. All of the others
> either said that they
>
> -did not have time for NR ;
> -the volume of emails was too much for their inbox;
> -the volume of emails were too many to read;
> -the volume of emails were too many to read because

he/she was not a native English speaker.

>
> Surprising huh?

CAFS: I have passed the following bit of advice along
before, and do so again below. On one web group that I run,
this suggestion is part of the auto-message that confirms
membership.

My suggestion to the Praetores / Censores / Rogatores
or whoever is repsonsible for sending the message confirming
membership, is this: Include a message to the effect
that "NR is a high-volume list. To ensure that your membership
is a positive experience, you may change your message delivery
options at any time to suit the volume of e-mail you wish to
receive. Here's how . . . . "

It might go some way to retaining list membership, and to
making the experience as positive as possible for more members.

YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE MAILING LIST
WITHOUT DROWNING IN E-MAIL!

But . . . you have to go to the *home page* of the list,
***not*** rely on e-mails. The NR list home page
is at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/

***Bookmark this site***

1. You will need a yahoo user name and password to
access the list contents. That's an easy step.
You can use a non-Yahoo e-mail address.

2. On the NR list home page, find "Edit membership"
at the top of the page. It sits just above the
blue bar that contains the words "Nova Roma".
It's in *small* blue print. Click on it.

3. Scroll down to the lower half of the page, under the
heading "Step 2. Message Delivery"

Under delivery options, change your setting to
"Web Only - Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
Read messages only on the web."

That's it! No more oceans of e-mail. When you want to check
the message stream, go to your bookmarks and click on the NR
List. *You* choose when and how much of the stream you read.
Anything that you want in your own files, you can forward to
your own e-mail address, right from the message pages of the
NR list website.

COMMENTS:
Yahoo makes this sound like a drastic step. It isn't. The
language for "No messages - Web only" used to be much milder.
Relying on a visit to your bookmarked NR list site has some
advantages over delivery to your inbox.

Consider:
1. On the ML website, Yahoo's list of messages includes about
20 items per page, *with a synopsis from the body of each
message.* This makes it much easier to skim and open only
those messages which really attract your attention.

2. You will become familiar with the other features of the ML
site: there are photos, an assortment of files, and a list
of links. You don't get these dropped into your inbox.

3. *You* choose when and how often you go the the ML. This
makes your participation in NR a positive action, instead
of a mere reaction. And when you've just discovered 150
or so e-mails in your inbox on a busy day when you're
waiting for urgent messages from elswhere, that "reaction"
can quickly turn from neutral to negative.

4. Save a bundle of time! You will spend far less time
forwarding to yourself those e-mails you want to keep,
than you ever will trying to clean out your inbox on
a daily basis.

In case you've never visited your membership page, below are
the four elivery options that Yahoo offers (copied from the
"Edit Membership" page and pasted here).

YAHOO TEXT BEGINS:

Yahoo! Groups lets you choose how you stay in touch.

Individual Email
The option to choose if you want to get each group message
and special notice individually and immediately, as it is
posted.


Daily Digest
The option to choose if you want to see all messages but
limit the amount of email you receive. We'll compile an email
of up to 25 messages and send daily (special notices too!).

Special Notices -
Receive only important email notices from the group moderator.

Web Only -
Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
Read messages only on the web.

YAHOO TEXT ENDS.

Vale, et valete bene in pace Deorum.
C. Aurelia Falco Silvana

I, L. Arminius Faustus (André L. Santos) do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the People and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, L. Arminius Faustus (André L. Santos)
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, L. Arminius Faustus (André L. Santos), swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, L. Arminius Faustus (André L. Santos), swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, L. Arminius Faustus (André L. Santos), further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Consul to
the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, I
accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Issued VIII Ian 2760 L. Arminio T. Galerio cos

--
Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus

"Vigilando, agendo, bene consulendo, prospera omnia cedunt" - Salustius


PS - As said Voltaire: "Peace is worthier than the truth."

I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello), do solemnly swear to uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the best interests of the people and senate of Nova Roma.

As Tribune of the Plebeians of Nova Roma, I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello), swear to protect and defend the constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Tribune of the Plebeians to the best of my abilities.

On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Tribune of the Plebeians and all the rights, privileges, obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Vale & Valete
C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
======================
PROPRAETOR.PROVINCIAE.BRASILIAE
TRIBVNVS.PLEBIS.NOVAE.ROMAE
SCRIBA
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

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Well, if I unsubscribe it will be because nearly all psots are about list government and politics and not about ancient Rome.

People subscribing to mailing lists who don't actually want to get mail is a problem on every list I'm on.

I do always find a large volume of mail from Nova Roma in my mailbox, and it's always exclusively about list government and politics. I joined to learn about Rome.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@...

----- Original Message -----
From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:49 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Why people unsubscribe from the ML: end of year summary


C. Aurelia Falco Silvana D. Octaviae Aventinae omnibus
civibus SPD.

We've seen a number of people post to this mailing list,
over the past year, saying that they couldn't handle the
volume of e-mail.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
<dianaaventina@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> One of the duties that I had in 2006 was to keep track
> of the reasons why people/citizens unsubscribed from the
> main List. Anyone who unsubscribe received an automated
> message from me (sent on behalf of and with permission
> from the Praetores) asking for feedback. The results
> surprised me.

Not surprising at all. See below.

> Like me, I think most of you thought/think that most
> unsubscriptions are caused by bickering on the ML or that
> the topics are mostly about NR and not ancient Rome. That
> now seems not to be true at all. I received about 50
> emails from people/citizens who unsubscribed. Only 2 or
> 3 complained of bickering/infighting. All of the others
> either said that they
>
> -did not have time for NR ;
> -the volume of emails was too much for their inbox;
> -the volume of emails were too many to read;
> -the volume of emails were too many to read because
he/she was not a native English speaker.
>
> Surprising huh?

CAFS: I have passed the following bit of advice along
before, and do so again below. On one web group that I run,
this suggestion is part of the auto-message that confirms
membership.

My suggestion to the Praetores / Censores / Rogatores
or whoever is repsonsible for sending the message confirming
membership, is this: Include a message to the effect
that "NR is a high-volume list. To ensure that your membership
is a positive experience, you may change your message delivery
options at any time to suit the volume of e-mail you wish to
receive. Here's how . . . . "

It might go some way to retaining list membership, and to
making the experience as positive as possible for more members.

YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE MAILING LIST
WITHOUT DROWNING IN E-MAIL!

But . . . you have to go to the *home page* of the list,
***not*** rely on e-mails. The NR list home page
is at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/

***Bookmark this site***

1. You will need a yahoo user name and password to
access the list contents. That's an easy step.
You can use a non-Yahoo e-mail address.

2. On the NR list home page, find "Edit membership"
at the top of the page. It sits just above the
blue bar that contains the words "Nova Roma".
It's in *small* blue print. Click on it.

3. Scroll down to the lower half of the page, under the
heading "Step 2. Message Delivery"

Under delivery options, change your setting to
"Web Only - Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
Read messages only on the web."

That's it! No more oceans of e-mail. When you want to check
the message stream, go to your bookmarks and click on the NR
List. *You* choose when and how much of the stream you read.
Anything that you want in your own files, you can forward to
your own e-mail address, right from the message pages of the
NR list website.

COMMENTS:
Yahoo makes this sound like a drastic step. It isn't. The
language for "No messages - Web only" used to be much milder.
Relying on a visit to your bookmarked NR list site has some
advantages over delivery to your inbox.

Consider:
1. On the ML website, Yahoo's list of messages includes about
20 items per page, *with a synopsis from the body of each
message.* This makes it much easier to skim and open only
those messages which really attract your attention.

2. You will become familiar with the other features of the ML
site: there are photos, an assortment of files, and a list
of links. You don't get these dropped into your inbox.

3. *You* choose when and how often you go the the ML. This
makes your participation in NR a positive action, instead
of a mere reaction. And when you've just discovered 150
or so e-mails in your inbox on a busy day when you're
waiting for urgent messages from elswhere, that "reaction"
can quickly turn from neutral to negative.

4. Save a bundle of time! You will spend far less time
forwarding to yourself those e-mails you want to keep,
than you ever will trying to clean out your inbox on
a daily basis.

In case you've never visited your membership page, below are
the four elivery options that Yahoo offers (copied from the
"Edit Membership" page and pasted here).

YAHOO TEXT BEGINS:

Yahoo! Groups lets you choose how you stay in touch.

Individual Email
The option to choose if you want to get each group message
and special notice individually and immediately, as it is
posted.

Daily Digest
The option to choose if you want to see all messages but
limit the amount of email you receive. We'll compile an email
of up to 25 messages and send daily (special notices too!).

Special Notices -
Receive only important email notices from the group moderator.

Web Only -
Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
Read messages only on the web.

YAHOO TEXT ENDS.

Vale, et valete bene in pace Deorum.
C. Aurelia Falco Silvana




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Quirites,

The term for sending me the names of the governors (english word) and
interpreters (english word) for 2007 term is the ides of ianuarius
(15).

If lost the first meeting of the Senate (something by the end of
ianuarius, to be confirmed), it can be done only on the second meeting
(not forecasted yet).

So, one week more to make your mind, quirites.

--
Valete bene in pacem deorum,
Consul L. Arminius Faustus

"Vigilando, agendo, bene consulendo, prospera omnia cedunt" - Salustius

Salvete, quirites,

On a time the Republic suffers so much by not providing the citizens
the universallity its mission requires, the studies of Latin comes as
a dear solution and a real fertilizer to our romanitas. I praise the
members bellow with healthy envy by their knowledge, and I pray all
the gods to shine upon them. They have all my inconditional support
from anything they would need from the consulship.

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus CSL
"Vigilando, agendo, bene consulendo, prospera omnia cedunt" - Salustius


2007/1/6, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>:

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Decurio Decuriae Primae Sodalitatis Latinitatis: Quiritibus: salutem:
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Decurio of the First Decuria of the Latin Society, salutes his fellow-citizens:
>
>
> For the request of Tullia Scholastica, Magistra of the Latin Sodalitas, I hereby announce the official list of the members of the First Decuria of the Latin Sodalitas. The members of the 1st Decuria are the most qualified people in Latin language associated with Nova Roma. Some of them are not citizens, but members of the Sodalitas. In the order of the members are first the citizens, then the foreign members.
>
>
> DECURIA PRIMA SODALITATIS LATINITATIS
>
> A. Gratius Auitus
> A. Tullia Scholastica
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
> Sex. Pontius Pilatus Barbatus
> A. Apollonius Cordus
> Fausta Tarquitia Parua Francisca
> C. Aemilius Papinianus
> Ap. Iulius Priscus
> M. Flauius Philippus Conseruatus
> Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius
> Cn. Saluius Astur
> M' Constantinus Serapio
> Liuia Cornelia Serena
> Cn. Tullius Grandis
> A. Tullius Seuerus
> A. Vipsanius Ahenobarbus
> M. Morauius Piscinus Horatianus
> C. Marius Merullus
> C. Cordius Symmachus
> Cn. Aelius Baeticus Nebrissensis
> Claudius Salix Dauianus
> Kerastes Polythymos
> Iohannes Patruus
> Rodrigo Portela Sanchez
> Symmakhos
> Albinus Latinus
> Kynetus Valesius
> Peter Gray
> D. Meadows
>
> Curate uti valeatis optime!
>
> :CN:CORN:LENTVLVS:
> :DECVRIO:PRIMVS:
> :SODALITATIS:LATINITATIS:
>
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>

--
Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VI Idus Ianuarius; haec dies comitialis est.

"But there was another division again of the men only, which assigned
kindly services and honours in accordance with merit, of which I am
now going to give an account. He distinguished those who were eminent
for their birth, approved for their virtue and wealthy for those
times, provided they already had children, from the obscure, the lowly
and the poor. Those of the lower rank he called "plebeians" (the Greek
would call them demotikoi or "men of the people"), and those of the
higher rank "fathers," either because they had children or from their
distinguished birth or for all these reasons. One may suspect that he
found his model in the system of government which at that time still
prevailed at Athens. For the Athenians had divided their population
into two parts, the eupatridai or "well-born," as they called those
who were of the noble families and powerful by reason of their wealth,
to whom the government of the city was committed, and the agroikoi or
"husbandmen," consisting of the rest of the citizens, who had no voice
in public affairs, though in the course of time these, also, were
admitted to the offices. Those who give the most probable account of
the Roman government say it was for the reasons I have given that
those men were called "fathers" and their posterity "patricians"; but
others, considering the matter in the light of their own envy and
desirous of casting reproach on the city for the ignoble birth of its
founders, say they were not called patricians for the reasons just
cited, but because these men only could point out their fathers — as
if all the rest were fugitives and unable to name free men as their
fathers. As proof of this style cite the fact that, whenever the
kings thought proper to assemble the patricians, the heralds called
them both by their own names and by the names of their fathers,
whereas public servants summoned the plebeians en masse to the
assemblies by the sound of ox horns. But in reality neither the
calling of the patricians by the heralds is any proof of their
nobility nor is the sound of the horn any mark of the obscurity of the
plebeians; but the former was an indication of honour and the latter
of expedition, since it was not possible in a short to call every one
of the multitude by name.

After Romulus had distinguished those of superior rank from their
inferiors, he next established laws by which the duties of each were
prescribed. The patricians were to be priests, magistrates and judges,
and were to assist him in the management of public affairs, devoting
themselves to the business of the city. The plebeians were excused
from these duties, as being unacquainted with them and because of
their small means wanting leisure to attend to them, but were to apply
themselves to agriculture, the breeding of cattle and the exercise of
gainful trades. This was to prevent them from engaging in seditions,
as happens in other cities when either the magistrates mistreat the
lowly, or the common people and the needy envy those in authority. He
placed the plebeians as a trust in the hands of the patricians, by
allowing every plebeian to choose for his patron any patrician whom he
himself wished. In this he improved upon an ancient Greek custom that
was in use among the Thessalians for a long time and among the
Athenians in the beginning. For the former treated their client with
haughtiness, imposing on them duties unbecoming to free men; and
whenever they disobeyed any of their commands, they beat them and
misused them in all other respects as if had been slaves they had
purchased. The Athenians called their clients thetes or "hirelings,"
because they served for hire, and the Thessalians called theirs
penestai or "toilers," by the very name reproaching them with their
condition. But Romulus not only recommended the relationship by a
handsome designation, calling this protection of the poor and lowly a
"patronage," but he also assigned friendly offices to both parties,
thus making the connexion between them a bond of kindness befitting
fellow citizens." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" II.8-9


"O Phales, comrade revel-roaming
Of Bacchus, wanderer of the gloaming,
Of wives and boys the naughty lover,
Here in my home I gladly greet Ye,
The worst of winter nearly over,
And press You with my bold entreaty.

Far happier 'tis to me and sweeter,
O Phales, Phales, some soft glade in,
To woo the saucy, arch, deceiving,
Young Thratty, buxom country maiden,
As from my woodland fells I meet her,
Descending with my kindling laden,
And catch her up and I'll entreat her,
And make her pay the fine for thieving.

O Phales, Phales, come and sup,
And in the morn, to brace you up,
Of joy you'll quaff a jovial cup." - Aristophanes, "Acharnians"
ll.263-78 (tr. B. B. Rogers)

In ancient Greece today was celebrated as the Lesser (or "Rural")
Dionysia, in honor of Dionysis, the god of reverly and wine. He seems
to be a god who has two distinct personae: he was the god of wine,
agriculture and the fertility of Nature; patron god of the Greek
stage, of poetry, song, festivities and parties; promoter of
civilisation; a lawgiver and lover of peace. However, he also
represented the primary features of mystery religions, such as those
practised at Eleusis: ecstasy, transcendence from the mundane world
through physical or spiritual intoxication, as well as initiation into
secret rites. The Lesser Dionysia were celebrated in the month of
Poseidon. This the most ancient festival of all, when even slaves
enjoyed full freedom. There were dramatic contests; Aristotle claimed
(Poet. 1449a) that comedy was born in the Rural Dionysia. The peasants
would assail the bystanders as they rode by in wagons. According to
Plutarch (3.527D), there was a procession of the carriers of a jar of
wine and a vine, with someone leading a he-goat, followed by the
Kanephoros (Basket-bearer) who carried a basket of raisins. Then came
the carriers of an erect, wooden phallus-pole, decorated with ivy and
fillets, and finally the singer of the Phallikon (Phallic Song), which
was addressed to "Phales".

Valete bene!

Cato




SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Wikipedia, Wilson's Almanac

Salve!

If you are interested in Roman cooking, you should join the Cooks and
Brewers list. If you are interested in religion you should join the
Religio Romana list. Your chance to learn about Roman coins was last
year, but that project ended. The Latinitas list is the place for
Latin. The re-enactors are the best people for clothing and material
aspects, in my opinion. Our government is based closely on that of the
Republic, as close as we can get, anyway. That is why you get our
politics here. This is not the best place for most interests, just as
the Roman Forum was probably not the best place for most activities in
Roma Antiqua.

If you have joined recently, you joined during our political
campaigning season, by the way. It isn't always like this.

Planning is now happening for the Conventus in Europa, a meeting in
the USA and numerous other events. These real life meetings of
like-minded people are another aspect of Nova Roma.

The Main List isn't the only place we have.

optime vale!

M. Lucretius Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote:
>
> Well, if I unsubscribe it will be because nearly all psots are about
list government and politics and not about ancient Rome.
>
> People subscribing to mailing lists who don't actually want to get
mail is a problem on every list I'm on.
>
> I do always find a large volume of mail from Nova Roma in my
mailbox, and it's always exclusively about list government and
politics. I joined to learn about Rome.
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
> tiggernut24@...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:49 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Why people unsubscribe from the ML: end
of year summary
>
>
> C. Aurelia Falco Silvana D. Octaviae Aventinae omnibus
> civibus SPD.
>
> We've seen a number of people post to this mailing list,
> over the past year, saying that they couldn't handle the
> volume of e-mail.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
> <dianaaventina@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > One of the duties that I had in 2006 was to keep track
> > of the reasons why people/citizens unsubscribed from the
> > main List. Anyone who unsubscribe received an automated
> > message from me (sent on behalf of and with permission
> > from the Praetores) asking for feedback. The results
> > surprised me.
>
> Not surprising at all. See below.
>
> > Like me, I think most of you thought/think that most
> > unsubscriptions are caused by bickering on the ML or that
> > the topics are mostly about NR and not ancient Rome. That
> > now seems not to be true at all. I received about 50
> > emails from people/citizens who unsubscribed. Only 2 or
> > 3 complained of bickering/infighting. All of the others
> > either said that they
> >
> > -did not have time for NR ;
> > -the volume of emails was too much for their inbox;
> > -the volume of emails were too many to read;
> > -the volume of emails were too many to read because
> he/she was not a native English speaker.
> >
> > Surprising huh?
>
> CAFS: I have passed the following bit of advice along
> before, and do so again below. On one web group that I run,
> this suggestion is part of the auto-message that confirms
> membership.
>
> My suggestion to the Praetores / Censores / Rogatores
> or whoever is repsonsible for sending the message confirming
> membership, is this: Include a message to the effect
> that "NR is a high-volume list. To ensure that your membership
> is a positive experience, you may change your message delivery
> options at any time to suit the volume of e-mail you wish to
> receive. Here's how . . . . "
>
> It might go some way to retaining list membership, and to
> making the experience as positive as possible for more members.
>
> YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE MAILING LIST
> WITHOUT DROWNING IN E-MAIL!
>
> But . . . you have to go to the *home page* of the list,
> ***not*** rely on e-mails. The NR list home page
> is at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
>
> ***Bookmark this site***
>
> 1. You will need a yahoo user name and password to
> access the list contents. That's an easy step.
> You can use a non-Yahoo e-mail address.
>
> 2. On the NR list home page, find "Edit membership"
> at the top of the page. It sits just above the
> blue bar that contains the words "Nova Roma".
> It's in *small* blue print. Click on it.
>
> 3. Scroll down to the lower half of the page, under the
> heading "Step 2. Message Delivery"
>
> Under delivery options, change your setting to
> "Web Only - Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
> Read messages only on the web."
>
> That's it! No more oceans of e-mail. When you want to check
> the message stream, go to your bookmarks and click on the NR
> List. *You* choose when and how much of the stream you read.
> Anything that you want in your own files, you can forward to
> your own e-mail address, right from the message pages of the
> NR list website.
>
> COMMENTS:
> Yahoo makes this sound like a drastic step. It isn't. The
> language for "No messages - Web only" used to be much milder.
> Relying on a visit to your bookmarked NR list site has some
> advantages over delivery to your inbox.
>
> Consider:
> 1. On the ML website, Yahoo's list of messages includes about
> 20 items per page, *with a synopsis from the body of each
> message.* This makes it much easier to skim and open only
> those messages which really attract your attention.
>
> 2. You will become familiar with the other features of the ML
> site: there are photos, an assortment of files, and a list
> of links. You don't get these dropped into your inbox.
>
> 3. *You* choose when and how often you go the the ML. This
> makes your participation in NR a positive action, instead
> of a mere reaction. And when you've just discovered 150
> or so e-mails in your inbox on a busy day when you're
> waiting for urgent messages from elswhere, that "reaction"
> can quickly turn from neutral to negative.
>
> 4. Save a bundle of time! You will spend far less time
> forwarding to yourself those e-mails you want to keep,
> than you ever will trying to clean out your inbox on
> a daily basis.
>
> In case you've never visited your membership page, below are
> the four elivery options that Yahoo offers (copied from the
> "Edit Membership" page and pasted here).
>
> YAHOO TEXT BEGINS:
>
> Yahoo! Groups lets you choose how you stay in touch.
>
> Individual Email
> The option to choose if you want to get each group message
> and special notice individually and immediately, as it is
> posted.
>
> Daily Digest
> The option to choose if you want to see all messages but
> limit the amount of email you receive. We'll compile an email
> of up to 25 messages and send daily (special notices too!).
>
> Special Notices -
> Receive only important email notices from the group moderator.
>
> Web Only -
> Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
> Read messages only on the web.
>
> YAHOO TEXT ENDS.
>
> Vale, et valete bene in pace Deorum.
> C. Aurelia Falco Silvana
>
>
>
>
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Aurelianus Agricola sal.

Actually, amice, you are correct that the most recent political
campaigning season was not normal. Usually, our election season is
much more unpleasant! The 2756 (or was it 2757?) campaign was
really nasty as I recall.

There are a number of yahoogroups that deal with aspects of Roman
history and culture. I encourage our friend from Texas to check out
those lists. I joined a few myself but found them to be a bit to
dry for my tastes. I hope that she will check out some of our
related lists to discover more subjects more to her liking.

Vale.

Salve!

If you are interested in Roman cooking, you should join the Cooks and
Brewers list. If you are interested in religion you should join the
Religio Romana list. Your chance to learn about Roman coins was last
year, but that project ended. The Latinitas list is the place for
Latin. The re-enactors are the best people for clothing and material
aspects, in my opinion. Our government is based closely on that of
the Republic, as close as we can get, anyway. That is why you get our
politics here. This is not the best place for most interests, just as
the Roman Forum was probably not the best place for most activities
in Roma Antiqua.

If you have joined recently, you joined during our political
campaigning season, by the way. It isn't always like this.

Planning is now happening for the Conventus in Europa, a meeting in
the USA and numerous other events. These real life meetings of
like-minded people are another aspect of Nova Roma.

The Main List isn't the only place we have.

optime vale!

M. Lucretius Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@> wrote:

Well, if I unsubscribe it will be because nearly all psots are about
list government and politics and not about ancient Rome.

People subscribing to mailing lists who don't actually want to get
mail is a problem on every list I'm on.

I do always find a large volume of mail from Nova Roma in my
mailbox, and it's always exclusively about list government and
politics. I joined to learn about Rome.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@

M. Hortensia D. Smithae spd;
why don't you take a course in Latin or History at Academia
Thules? I'm taking Sermo I & II, Conversational Latin & it's
fantastic. You will be able to speak with cives all over the world &
be able to enjoy all the riches of Latin literature.

Why aren't you starting a discussion if that's what you wish? Choose
the topic...Nova Roma doesn't spoon feed people, meaning you have to
make an effort -

Join a sodalis, work for your local province as a scriba, join a
list that focuses on Roman Religion, Military, philosophy,Latin, or
the Wiki.

I'm producing a podcast Vox Romana & better get to it;-). There's
plenty here but you must join in.
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior
producer "Vox Romana" podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/vox romana/

>
> Well, if I unsubscribe it will be because nearly all psots are

about list government and politics and not about ancient Rome.

>
> People subscribing to mailing lists who don't actually want to get

mail is a problem on every list I'm on.

>
> I do always find a large volume of mail from Nova Roma in my

mailbox, and it's always exclusively about list government and
politics. I joined to learn about Rome.

> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
> tiggernut24@...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:49 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Why people unsubscribe from the ML: end

of year summary

>
>
> C. Aurelia Falco Silvana D. Octaviae Aventinae omnibus
> civibus SPD.
>
> We've seen a number of people post to this mailing list,
> over the past year, saying that they couldn't handle the
> volume of e-mail.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
> <dianaaventina@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > One of the duties that I had in 2006 was to keep track
> > of the reasons why people/citizens unsubscribed from the
> > main List. Anyone who unsubscribe received an automated
> > message from me (sent on behalf of and with permission
> > from the Praetores) asking for feedback. The results
> > surprised me.
>
> Not surprising at all. See below.
>
> > Like me, I think most of you thought/think that most
> > unsubscriptions are caused by bickering on the ML or that
> > the topics are mostly about NR and not ancient Rome. That
> > now seems not to be true at all. I received about 50
> > emails from people/citizens who unsubscribed. Only 2 or
> > 3 complained of bickering/infighting. All of the others
> > either said that they
> >
> > -did not have time for NR ;
> > -the volume of emails was too much for their inbox;
> > -the volume of emails were too many to read;
> > -the volume of emails were too many to read because
> he/she was not a native English speaker.
> >
> > Surprising huh?
>
> CAFS: I have passed the following bit of advice along
> before, and do so again below. On one web group that I run,
> this suggestion is part of the auto-message that confirms
> membership.
>
> My suggestion to the Praetores / Censores / Rogatores
> or whoever is repsonsible for sending the message confirming
> membership, is this: Include a message to the effect
> that "NR is a high-volume list. To ensure that your membership
> is a positive experience, you may change your message delivery
> options at any time to suit the volume of e-mail you wish to
> receive. Here's how . . . . "
>
> It might go some way to retaining list membership, and to
> making the experience as positive as possible for more members.
>
> YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE MAILING LIST
> WITHOUT DROWNING IN E-MAIL!
>
> But . . . you have to go to the *home page* of the list,
> ***not*** rely on e-mails. The NR list home page
> is at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
>
> ***Bookmark this site***
>
> 1. You will need a yahoo user name and password to
> access the list contents. That's an easy step.
> You can use a non-Yahoo e-mail address.
>
> 2. On the NR list home page, find "Edit membership"
> at the top of the page. It sits just above the
> blue bar that contains the words "Nova Roma".
> It's in *small* blue print. Click on it.
>
> 3. Scroll down to the lower half of the page, under the
> heading "Step 2. Message Delivery"
>
> Under delivery options, change your setting to
> "Web Only - Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
> Read messages only on the web."
>
> That's it! No more oceans of e-mail. When you want to check
> the message stream, go to your bookmarks and click on the NR
> List. *You* choose when and how much of the stream you read.
> Anything that you want in your own files, you can forward to
> your own e-mail address, right from the message pages of the
> NR list website.
>
> COMMENTS:
> Yahoo makes this sound like a drastic step. It isn't. The
> language for "No messages - Web only" used to be much milder.
> Relying on a visit to your bookmarked NR list site has some
> advantages over delivery to your inbox.
>
> Consider:
> 1. On the ML website, Yahoo's list of messages includes about
> 20 items per page, *with a synopsis from the body of each
> message.* This makes it much easier to skim and open only
> those messages which really attract your attention.
>
> 2. You will become familiar with the other features of the ML
> site: there are photos, an assortment of files, and a list
> of links. You don't get these dropped into your inbox.
>
> 3. *You* choose when and how often you go the the ML. This
> makes your participation in NR a positive action, instead
> of a mere reaction. And when you've just discovered 150
> or so e-mails in your inbox on a busy day when you're
> waiting for urgent messages from elswhere, that "reaction"
> can quickly turn from neutral to negative.
>
> 4. Save a bundle of time! You will spend far less time
> forwarding to yourself those e-mails you want to keep,
> than you ever will trying to clean out your inbox on
> a daily basis.
>
> In case you've never visited your membership page, below are
> the four elivery options that Yahoo offers (copied from the
> "Edit Membership" page and pasted here).
>
> YAHOO TEXT BEGINS:
>
> Yahoo! Groups lets you choose how you stay in touch.
>
> Individual Email
> The option to choose if you want to get each group message
> and special notice individually and immediately, as it is
> posted.
>
> Daily Digest
> The option to choose if you want to see all messages but
> limit the amount of email you receive. We'll compile an email
> of up to 25 messages and send daily (special notices too!).
>
> Special Notices -
> Receive only important email notices from the group moderator.
>
> Web Only -
> Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
> Read messages only on the web.
>
> YAHOO TEXT ENDS.
>
> Vale, et valete bene in pace Deorum.
> C. Aurelia Falco Silvana
>
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Salve, omnes. I am a new member here, and just thought I'd introduce
myself. I am Andrew Beaton and I am 14 years old. I have always had
an interest in history, especially that of the Romans, and have been
collecting ancient coins for a few years now. I currently focus on
the Severan Era, Gordian III, Gallienus, and the Gallo-Romans. That's
about it, I hope to be around here for a while and discuss ancient Rome.:)

Andrew

Salve Andrew Beaton

Welcome to Nova Roma.

At one time I too collected Roman coins and I
still have my Sears book on Roman coinage.

Coin collecting is one of the few hobbies where
you get to hold history in your hands.In this case
you get to hold Roman history!!!

Just think of who might have held that coin as they walked
through the forum.

What are your other Roman interests?

I hope you will enjoy the next 50 or 60 years with us.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Beaton" <abbraves1@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve, omnes. I am a new member here, and just thought I'd

introduce

> myself. I am Andrew Beaton and I am 14 years old. I have always

had

> an interest in history, especially that of the Romans, and have

been

> collecting ancient coins for a few years now. I currently focus on
> the Severan Era, Gordian III, Gallienus, and the Gallo-Romans.

That's

> about it, I hope to be around here for a while and discuss ancient

Rome.:)

>
> Andrew
>

Salve Andrew,

Welcome to Nova Roma, or at least to our mailing list.

You'll find that we spent a lot of time talking about internal NovaRoman stuff
here. For ancient Roman history, you might consider joining the mailing list
known as ForTheMuses@yahoogroups.com. That's the main list for our Sodalitas
Musarum (society of the Muses). Clio is the Muse of History, and we'd be
delighted to have you over there.

Also, if you're interested in military history, you should check out the
Sodalitas Militarium. Its mailing list is
SodalitasMilitarium@yahoogroups.com

The quick way to join any yahoo mailing list is to send a blank e-mail message
to <listname>-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. So, for example, if you wanted to
join the Musarum you'd just send a blank e-mail message to
ForTheMuses-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

I hope to see you around.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS


Andrew Beaton <abbraves1@...> writes:

> Salve, omnes. I am a new member here, and just thought I'd introduce
> myself. I am Andrew Beaton and I am 14 years old. I have always had
> an interest in history, especially that of the Romans, and have been
> collecting ancient coins for a few years now. I currently focus on
> the Severan Era, Gordian III, Gallienus, and the Gallo-Romans. That's
> about it, I hope to be around here for a while and discuss ancient Rome.:)
>
> Andrew

Agricola Aureliano Omnibusque sal.

Thank you for mentioning that. I have said often, but maybe too often
only in private, that I think things here, on average, are much better
than just a few years ago. We have our "moments", it is true, but they
are more rare and more mild than I recall from the time before my
citizenship began, when I was just a lurker.

I failed to mention, when I wrote most recently, that we have a
growing set of wiki articles that consist of slighly annotated reading
lists. They are collected here:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Reading_list

These lists are under development, so if they seem deficient, I beg
indulgence. I urge all citizens to contribute to them, or to start new
reading lists. I would also like to ask any contributors especially to
suggest books suitable for beginners. I will try to add a section for
"Introductions" to each list when I have some time.

Help for wiki-work is available at the NRwiki group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NRWiki/

optime vale, et valete!


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...>
wrote:

>
> Aurelianus Agricola sal.
>
> Actually, amice, you are correct that the most recent political
> campaigning season was not normal. Usually, our election season is
> much more unpleasant! The 2756 (or was it 2757?) campaign was
> really nasty as I recall.
>
> There are a number of yahoogroups that deal with aspects of Roman
> history and culture. I encourage our friend from Texas to check out
> those lists. I joined a few myself but found them to be a bit to
> dry for my tastes. I hope that she will check out some of our
> related lists to discover more subjects more to her liking.
>
> Vale.
>
> Salve!
>
> If you are interested in Roman cooking, you should join the Cooks and
> Brewers list. If you are interested in religion you should join the
> Religio Romana list. Your chance to learn about Roman coins was last
> year, but that project ended. The Latinitas list is the place for
> Latin. The re-enactors are the best people for clothing and material
> aspects, in my opinion. Our government is based closely on that of
> the Republic, as close as we can get, anyway. That is why you get our
> politics here. This is not the best place for most interests, just as
> the Roman Forum was probably not the best place for most activities
> in Roma Antiqua.
>
> If you have joined recently, you joined during our political
> campaigning season, by the way. It isn't always like this.
>
> Planning is now happening for the Conventus in Europa, a meeting in
> the USA and numerous other events. These real life meetings of
> like-minded people are another aspect of Nova Roma.
>
> The Main List isn't the only place we have.
>
> optime vale!
>
> M. Lucretius Agricola
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@> wrote:
>
> Well, if I unsubscribe it will be because nearly all psots are about
> list government and politics and not about ancient Rome.
>
> People subscribing to mailing lists who don't actually want to get
> mail is a problem on every list I'm on.
>
> I do always find a large volume of mail from Nova Roma in my
> mailbox, and it's always exclusively about list government and
> politics. I joined to learn about Rome.
>
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
> tiggernut24@
>

P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.

Salvete omnes,

I will have some difficulty in my internet access from now and during
the 2 following weeks.

I shall naturally answer asap everyone who would have tried to contact
me.

Valete omnes,

P. Memmius Albucius
Propr. Galliae
Qu. aed. cur.
Acc. cos.

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem V Idus Ianuarius; haec dies nefastus publicus est.


"As soon as Romulus had regulated these matters he determined to
appoint senators to assist him in administering the public business,
and to this end he chose a hundred men from among the patricians,
selecting them in the following manner. He himself appointed one, the
best out of their whole number, to whom he thought fit to entrust the
government of the city whenever he himself should lead the army beyond
the borders. He next ordered each of the tribes to choose three men
who were then at the age of greatest prudence and were distinguished
by their birth. After these nine were chosen he ordered each curia
likewise to name three patricians who were the most worthy. Then
adding to the first nine, who had been named by the tribes, the ninety
who were chosen by the curiae, and appointing as their head the man he
himself had first selected, he completed the number of a hundred
senators. The name of this council may be expressed in Greek by
gerousia or "council of elders," and it is called by the Romans to
this day; but whether it received its name from the advanced age of
the men who were appointed to it or from their merit, I cannot say for
certain. For the ancients used to call the older men and those of
greatest merit gerontes or "elders." The members of the senate were
called Conscript Fathers, and they retained that name down to my time.
This council, also, was a Greek institution. At any rate, the Greek
kings, both those who inherited the realms of their ancestors and
those who were elected by the people themselves to be their rulers,
had a council composed of the best men, as both Homer and the most
ancient of the poets testify; and the authority of the ancient kings
was not arbitrary and absolute as it is in our days.

After Romulus had also instituted the senatorial body, consisting of
the hundred men, he perceived, we may suppose, that he would also
require a body of young men whose services he could use both for the
guarding of his person and for urgent business, and accordingly he
chose three hundred men, the most robust of body and from the most
illustrious families, whom the curiae named in the same manner that
they had named the senators, each curia choosing ten young men; and
these he kept always about his person. They were all called by one
common name, celeres; according to most writers this was because of
the "celerity" required in the services they were to perform (for
those who are ready and quick at their tasks the Romans call celeres),
but Valerius Antias says that they were thus named after their
commander. For among them, also, the most distinguished man was their
commander; under him were three centurions, and under these in turn
were others who held the inferior commands. In the city these celeres
constantly attended Romulus, armed with spears, and executed his
orders; and on campaigns they charged before him and defended his
person. And as a rule it was they who gave a favourable issue to the
contest, as they were the first to engage in battle and the last of
all to desist. They fought on horseback where there was level ground
favourable for cavalry manoeuvres, and on foot where it was rough and
inconvenient for horses. This custom Romulus borrowed, I believe,
from the Lacedaemonians, having learned that among them, also, three
hundred of the noblest youths attended the kings as their guards and
also as their defenders in war, fighting both on horseback and on
foot." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 2.12-13


"Quattuor adde dies ductos ex ordine Nonis,
Ianus Agonali luce piandus erit.
nominis esse potest succinctus causa minister,
hostia caelitibus quo feriente cadit,
qui calido strictos tincturus sanguine cultros
semper agatne rogat nec nisi iussus agit.
pars, quia non veniant pecudes, sed agantur, ab actu
nomen Agonalem credit habere diem.
pars putat hoc festum priscis Agnalia dictum,
una sit ut proprio littera dempta loco.
an, quia praevisos in aqua timet hostia cultros,
a pecoris lux est ipsa notata metu?
fas etiam fieri solitis aetate priorum
nomina de ludis Graeca tulisse diem.
et pecus antiquus dicebat agonia sermo;
veraque iudicio est ultima causa meo.
utque ea non certa est, ita rex placare sacrorum
numina lanigerae coniuge debet ovis." - Ovid, Fasti i.318-333

"Add four successive days to the Nones and Janus
Must be propitiated on the Agonal day.
The day may take its name from the girded priest
At whose blow the god's sacrifice is felled:
Always, before he stains the naked blade with hot blood,
He asks if he should (agatne), and won't unless commanded.
Some believe that the day is called Agonal because
The sheep do not come to the altar but are driven (agantur).
Others think the ancients called this festival Agnalia,
`Of the lambs', dropping a letter from its usual place.
Or because the victim fears the knife mirrored in the water,
The day might be so called from the creature's agony?
It may also be that the day has a Greek name
From the games (agones) that were held in former times.
And in ancient speech agonia meant a sheep,
And this last reason in my judgement is the truth.
Though the meaning is uncertain, the king of the rites,
Must appease the gods with the mate of a woolly ewe.
It's called the victim because a victorious hand fells it:
And hostia, sacrifice, from hostile conquered foes.
Cornmeal, and glittering grains of pure salt,
Were once the means for men to placate the gods."

"Ad naturale discrimen civilia vocabula dierum accesserunt. Dicam
prius qui deorum causa, tum qui hominum sunt instituti. Dies Agonales
per quos rex in Regia arietem immolat, dicti ab "agon," eo quod
interrogat minister sacrificii "agone?": nisi si a Graeca lingua, ubi
agon princeps, ab eo quod immolatur a principe civitatis et princeps
gregis immolatur." - Varro, de Lingua Latina VI.3

Today is a celebration of the Agonalia. It was celebrated 3-4 times a
year and is believed to have been instituted by Numa Pompilius.
Although we don't know exactly what the Agonalia was all about, a ram
was sacrificed by the rex sacrificulus in the regia. The Agonalia
was a "feria stativa" or static festival, held on the ninth of January
to honor the god Ianus. The word Agonalia may have been derived from
the question the priest would pose prior to the sacrifice,"Agone?"
meaning, "Shall I slay?" Also included in the Agonalia were piles of
little cakes, "strues", made from spelt ("farro" to the present day
descendants of the Etruscans), cheese, wine, and laurel incense.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Ovid, Varro

"When we examine the character of the magistrate among the ancients
with a little attention, we see how slightly he resembles the chief of
state of modern societies. Priesthood, justice, and command are
confounded in his person. He represents the city, which is a religious
association, as much, at least, as a political one. He has in his
hands the auspices, the rites, prayer, the protection of the gods."

COULANGES, N. D. F., The Ancient City, [s.n.], [s.l.], Project Gutemberg.


L. Arminius Faustus Consul S.P.D.

Nova Roma needs a willing citizen to take the vacant office of rogator.

If there is a name for election, gods willing, I intend to call the
Comitia Populi Tributa for contio and voting on the period of 17-31
ianuarius (a.d. XVI Kal. Feb.-pr. Kal. Feb.).

Please, citizens, send me your names until the ides of ianuarius (15).

As says on NR site, "the rogators work closely with the censors to
process citizen applications, check eligibility, and insure that
voters have voter codes and are properly assigned to centuries and
tribes."

So, the rogator is a key magistrate to allow new citizens on NR which
the Republic needs so much.

--
Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus CSL

"Vigilando, agendo, bene consulendo, prospera omnia cedunt" - Salustius

Actually, that is what I thought this list was for? What is this list for? In the minds of its owners, now. THe list comes across as being for nauseus list politics.

I went to Academia Thules, and they aren't offering any courses on Roman life. Atleast not from their curricula pages. I could find no listing of classes. I wrote and asked some questions and never got a reply. It looks like some half together site. Nice names attached to it, but if there's any substance, they don't make it possible for the user to find!

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Maior
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Why people unsubscribe from the ML: end of year summary


M. Hortensia D. Smithae spd;
why don't you take a course in Latin or History at Academia
Thules? I'm taking Sermo I & II, Conversational Latin & it's
fantastic. You will be able to speak with cives all over the world &
be able to enjoy all the riches of Latin literature.

Why aren't you starting a discussion if that's what you wish? Choose
the topic...Nova Roma doesn't spoon feed people, meaning you have to
make an effort -

Join a sodalis, work for your local province as a scriba, join a
list that focuses on Roman Religion, Military, philosophy,Latin, or
the Wiki.

I'm producing a podcast Vox Romana & better get to it;-). There's
plenty here but you must join in.
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior
producer "Vox Romana" podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/vox romana/

>
> Well, if I unsubscribe it will be because nearly all psots are
about list government and politics and not about ancient Rome.
>
> People subscribing to mailing lists who don't actually want to get
mail is a problem on every list I'm on.
>
> I do always find a large volume of mail from Nova Roma in my
mailbox, and it's always exclusively about list government and
politics. I joined to learn about Rome.
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
> tiggernut24@...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:49 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Why people unsubscribe from the ML: end
of year summary
>
>
> C. Aurelia Falco Silvana D. Octaviae Aventinae omnibus
> civibus SPD.
>
> We've seen a number of people post to this mailing list,
> over the past year, saying that they couldn't handle the
> volume of e-mail.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
> <dianaaventina@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > One of the duties that I had in 2006 was to keep track
> > of the reasons why people/citizens unsubscribed from the
> > main List. Anyone who unsubscribe received an automated
> > message from me (sent on behalf of and with permission
> > from the Praetores) asking for feedback. The results
> > surprised me.
>
> Not surprising at all. See below.
>
> > Like me, I think most of you thought/think that most
> > unsubscriptions are caused by bickering on the ML or that
> > the topics are mostly about NR and not ancient Rome. That
> > now seems not to be true at all. I received about 50
> > emails from people/citizens who unsubscribed. Only 2 or
> > 3 complained of bickering/infighting. All of the others
> > either said that they
> >
> > -did not have time for NR ;
> > -the volume of emails was too much for their inbox;
> > -the volume of emails were too many to read;
> > -the volume of emails were too many to read because
> he/she was not a native English speaker.
> >
> > Surprising huh?
>
> CAFS: I have passed the following bit of advice along
> before, and do so again below. On one web group that I run,
> this suggestion is part of the auto-message that confirms
> membership.
>
> My suggestion to the Praetores / Censores / Rogatores
> or whoever is repsonsible for sending the message confirming
> membership, is this: Include a message to the effect
> that "NR is a high-volume list. To ensure that your membership
> is a positive experience, you may change your message delivery
> options at any time to suit the volume of e-mail you wish to
> receive. Here's how . . . . "
>
> It might go some way to retaining list membership, and to
> making the experience as positive as possible for more members.
>
> YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE MAILING LIST
> WITHOUT DROWNING IN E-MAIL!
>
> But . . . you have to go to the *home page* of the list,
> ***not*** rely on e-mails. The NR list home page
> is at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
>
> ***Bookmark this site***
>
> 1. You will need a yahoo user name and password to
> access the list contents. That's an easy step.
> You can use a non-Yahoo e-mail address.
>
> 2. On the NR list home page, find "Edit membership"
> at the top of the page. It sits just above the
> blue bar that contains the words "Nova Roma".
> It's in *small* blue print. Click on it.
>
> 3. Scroll down to the lower half of the page, under the
> heading "Step 2. Message Delivery"
>
> Under delivery options, change your setting to
> "Web Only - Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
> Read messages only on the web."
>
> That's it! No more oceans of e-mail. When you want to check
> the message stream, go to your bookmarks and click on the NR
> List. *You* choose when and how much of the stream you read.
> Anything that you want in your own files, you can forward to
> your own e-mail address, right from the message pages of the
> NR list website.
>
> COMMENTS:
> Yahoo makes this sound like a drastic step. It isn't. The
> language for "No messages - Web only" used to be much milder.
> Relying on a visit to your bookmarked NR list site has some
> advantages over delivery to your inbox.
>
> Consider:
> 1. On the ML website, Yahoo's list of messages includes about
> 20 items per page, *with a synopsis from the body of each
> message.* This makes it much easier to skim and open only
> those messages which really attract your attention.
>
> 2. You will become familiar with the other features of the ML
> site: there are photos, an assortment of files, and a list
> of links. You don't get these dropped into your inbox.
>
> 3. *You* choose when and how often you go the the ML. This
> makes your participation in NR a positive action, instead
> of a mere reaction. And when you've just discovered 150
> or so e-mails in your inbox on a busy day when you're
> waiting for urgent messages from elswhere, that "reaction"
> can quickly turn from neutral to negative.
>
> 4. Save a bundle of time! You will spend far less time
> forwarding to yourself those e-mails you want to keep,
> than you ever will trying to clean out your inbox on
> a daily basis.
>
> In case you've never visited your membership page, below are
> the four elivery options that Yahoo offers (copied from the
> "Edit Membership" page and pasted here).
>
> YAHOO TEXT BEGINS:
>
> Yahoo! Groups lets you choose how you stay in touch.
>
> Individual Email
> The option to choose if you want to get each group message
> and special notice individually and immediately, as it is
> posted.
>
> Daily Digest
> The option to choose if you want to see all messages but
> limit the amount of email you receive. We'll compile an email
> of up to 25 messages and send daily (special notices too!).
>
> Special Notices -
> Receive only important email notices from the group moderator.
>
> Web Only -
> Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
> Read messages only on the web.
>
> YAHOO TEXT ENDS.
>
> Vale, et valete bene in pace Deorum.
> C. Aurelia Falco Silvana
>
>
>
>
> ----------
>
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> Checked by AVG.
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>
>
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>




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I THINK I did. I've had no mail from any of them.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@...

----- Original Message -----
From: M. Lucretius Agricola
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Why people unsubscribe from the ML: end of year summary


Salve!

If you are interested in Roman cooking, you should join the Cooks and
Brewers list. If you are interested in religion you should join the
Religio Romana list. Your chance to learn about Roman coins was last
year, but that project ended. The Latinitas list is the place for
Latin. The re-enactors are the best people for clothing and material
aspects, in my opinion. Our government is based closely on that of the
Republic, as close as we can get, anyway. That is why you get our
politics here. This is not the best place for most interests, just as
the Roman Forum was probably not the best place for most activities in
Roma Antiqua.

If you have joined recently, you joined during our political
campaigning season, by the way. It isn't always like this.

Planning is now happening for the Conventus in Europa, a meeting in
the USA and numerous other events. These real life meetings of
like-minded people are another aspect of Nova Roma.

The Main List isn't the only place we have.

optime vale!

M. Lucretius Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@...> wrote:
>
> Well, if I unsubscribe it will be because nearly all psots are about
list government and politics and not about ancient Rome.
>
> People subscribing to mailing lists who don't actually want to get
mail is a problem on every list I'm on.
>
> I do always find a large volume of mail from Nova Roma in my
mailbox, and it's always exclusively about list government and
politics. I joined to learn about Rome.
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
> tiggernut24@...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:49 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Why people unsubscribe from the ML: end
of year summary
>
>
> C. Aurelia Falco Silvana D. Octaviae Aventinae omnibus
> civibus SPD.
>
> We've seen a number of people post to this mailing list,
> over the past year, saying that they couldn't handle the
> volume of e-mail.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
> <dianaaventina@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > One of the duties that I had in 2006 was to keep track
> > of the reasons why people/citizens unsubscribed from the
> > main List. Anyone who unsubscribe received an automated
> > message from me (sent on behalf of and with permission
> > from the Praetores) asking for feedback. The results
> > surprised me.
>
> Not surprising at all. See below.
>
> > Like me, I think most of you thought/think that most
> > unsubscriptions are caused by bickering on the ML or that
> > the topics are mostly about NR and not ancient Rome. That
> > now seems not to be true at all. I received about 50
> > emails from people/citizens who unsubscribed. Only 2 or
> > 3 complained of bickering/infighting. All of the others
> > either said that they
> >
> > -did not have time for NR ;
> > -the volume of emails was too much for their inbox;
> > -the volume of emails were too many to read;
> > -the volume of emails were too many to read because
> he/she was not a native English speaker.
> >
> > Surprising huh?
>
> CAFS: I have passed the following bit of advice along
> before, and do so again below. On one web group that I run,
> this suggestion is part of the auto-message that confirms
> membership.
>
> My suggestion to the Praetores / Censores / Rogatores
> or whoever is repsonsible for sending the message confirming
> membership, is this: Include a message to the effect
> that "NR is a high-volume list. To ensure that your membership
> is a positive experience, you may change your message delivery
> options at any time to suit the volume of e-mail you wish to
> receive. Here's how . . . . "
>
> It might go some way to retaining list membership, and to
> making the experience as positive as possible for more members.
>
> YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE MAILING LIST
> WITHOUT DROWNING IN E-MAIL!
>
> But . . . you have to go to the *home page* of the list,
> ***not*** rely on e-mails. The NR list home page
> is at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
>
> ***Bookmark this site***
>
> 1. You will need a yahoo user name and password to
> access the list contents. That's an easy step.
> You can use a non-Yahoo e-mail address.
>
> 2. On the NR list home page, find "Edit membership"
> at the top of the page. It sits just above the
> blue bar that contains the words "Nova Roma".
> It's in *small* blue print. Click on it.
>
> 3. Scroll down to the lower half of the page, under the
> heading "Step 2. Message Delivery"
>
> Under delivery options, change your setting to
> "Web Only - Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
> Read messages only on the web."
>
> That's it! No more oceans of e-mail. When you want to check
> the message stream, go to your bookmarks and click on the NR
> List. *You* choose when and how much of the stream you read.
> Anything that you want in your own files, you can forward to
> your own e-mail address, right from the message pages of the
> NR list website.
>
> COMMENTS:
> Yahoo makes this sound like a drastic step. It isn't. The
> language for "No messages - Web only" used to be much milder.
> Relying on a visit to your bookmarked NR list site has some
> advantages over delivery to your inbox.
>
> Consider:
> 1. On the ML website, Yahoo's list of messages includes about
> 20 items per page, *with a synopsis from the body of each
> message.* This makes it much easier to skim and open only
> those messages which really attract your attention.
>
> 2. You will become familiar with the other features of the ML
> site: there are photos, an assortment of files, and a list
> of links. You don't get these dropped into your inbox.
>
> 3. *You* choose when and how often you go the the ML. This
> makes your participation in NR a positive action, instead
> of a mere reaction. And when you've just discovered 150
> or so e-mails in your inbox on a busy day when you're
> waiting for urgent messages from elswhere, that "reaction"
> can quickly turn from neutral to negative.
>
> 4. Save a bundle of time! You will spend far less time
> forwarding to yourself those e-mails you want to keep,
> than you ever will trying to clean out your inbox on
> a daily basis.
>
> In case you've never visited your membership page, below are
> the four elivery options that Yahoo offers (copied from the
> "Edit Membership" page and pasted here).
>
> YAHOO TEXT BEGINS:
>
> Yahoo! Groups lets you choose how you stay in touch.
>
> Individual Email
> The option to choose if you want to get each group message
> and special notice individually and immediately, as it is
> posted.
>
> Daily Digest
> The option to choose if you want to see all messages but
> limit the amount of email you receive. We'll compile an email
> of up to 25 messages and send daily (special notices too!).
>
> Special Notices -
> Receive only important email notices from the group moderator.
>
> Web Only -
> Don't get notified of the latest happenings.
> Read messages only on the web.
>
> YAHOO TEXT ENDS.
>
> Vale, et valete bene in pace Deorum.
> C. Aurelia Falco Silvana
>
>
>
>
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I don't want a reading list! I want discussion!

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24@...

----- Original Message -----
From: M. Lucretius Agricola
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:34 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Why people unsubscribe from the ML: end of year summary


Agricola Aureliano Omnibusque sal.

Thank you for mentioning that. I have said often, but maybe too often
only in private, that I think things here, on average, are much better
than just a few years ago. We have our "moments", it is true, but they
are more rare and more mild than I recall from the time before my
citizenship began, when I was just a lurker.

I failed to mention, when I wrote most recently, that we have a
growing set of wiki articles that consist of slighly annotated reading
lists. They are collected here:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Reading_list

These lists are under development, so if they seem deficient, I beg
indulgence. I urge all citizens to contribute to them, or to start new
reading lists. I would also like to ask any contributors especially to
suggest books suitable for beginners. I will try to add a section for
"Introductions" to each list when I have some time.

Help for wiki-work is available at the NRwiki group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NRWiki/

optime vale, et valete!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...>
wrote:
>
> Aurelianus Agricola sal.
>
> Actually, amice, you are correct that the most recent political
> campaigning season was not normal. Usually, our election season is
> much more unpleasant! The 2756 (or was it 2757?) campaign was
> really nasty as I recall.
>
> There are a number of yahoogroups that deal with aspects of Roman
> history and culture. I encourage our friend from Texas to check out
> those lists. I joined a few myself but found them to be a bit to
> dry for my tastes. I hope that she will check out some of our
> related lists to discover more subjects more to her liking.
>
> Vale.
>
> Salve!
>
> If you are interested in Roman cooking, you should join the Cooks and
> Brewers list. If you are interested in religion you should join the
> Religio Romana list. Your chance to learn about Roman coins was last
> year, but that project ended. The Latinitas list is the place for
> Latin. The re-enactors are the best people for clothing and material
> aspects, in my opinion. Our government is based closely on that of
> the Republic, as close as we can get, anyway. That is why you get our
> politics here. This is not the best place for most interests, just as
> the Roman Forum was probably not the best place for most activities
> in Roma Antiqua.
>
> If you have joined recently, you joined during our political
> campaigning season, by the way. It isn't always like this.
>
> Planning is now happening for the Conventus in Europa, a meeting in
> the USA and numerous other events. These real life meetings of
> like-minded people are another aspect of Nova Roma.
>
> The Main List isn't the only place we have.
>
> optime vale!
>
> M. Lucretius Agricola
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24@> wrote:
>
> Well, if I unsubscribe it will be because nearly all psots are about
> list government and politics and not about ancient Rome.
>
> People subscribing to mailing lists who don't actually want to get
> mail is a problem on every list I'm on.
>
> I do always find a large volume of mail from Nova Roma in my
> mailbox, and it's always exclusively about list government and
> politics. I joined to learn about Rome.
>
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
> tiggernut24@
>




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