OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Kalendis Februariis; haec dies nefastus publicus est.


"His [Numa Pompilius'] regulations, moreover, that tended to inspire
frugality and moderation in the life of the individual citizen and to
create a passion for justice, which preserves the harmony of the
State, were exceedingly numerous, some of them being comprehended in
written laws, and others not written down by embodied in custom and
long usage. To treat of all these would be a difficult task; but
mention of the two of them which have been most frequently cited will
suffice to give evidence of the rest. First, to the end that people
should be content with what they had and should not covet what
belonged to others, there was the law that appointed boundaries to
every man's possessions. For, having ordered every one to draw a line
around his own land and to place stones on the bounds, he consecrated
these stones to Jupiter Terminalis and ordained that all should
assemble at the place every year on a fixed day and offer sacrifices
to them; and he made the festival in honour of these gods of
boundaries among the most dignified of all. This festival the Romans
call Terminalia, from the boundaries, and the boundaries themselves,
by the change of one letter as compared with our language, they call
termines. He also enacted that, if any person demolished or displaced
these boundary stones he should be looked upon as devoted to the god,
to the end that anyone who wished might kill him a sacrilegious person
with impunity and without incurring any stain of guilt. He
established this law with reference not only to private possessions
but also to those belonging to the public; for he marked these also
with boundary stones, to the end that the gods of boundaries might
distinguish the lands of the Romans from those of their neighbours,
and the public lands from such as belonged to private persons.
Memorials of this custom are observed by the Romans down to our times,
purely as a religious form. For they look upon these boundary stones
as gods and sacrifice to them yearly, offering up no kind of animal
(for it is not lawful to stain these stones with blood), but cakes
made of cereals and other first-fruits of the earth. But they ought
still to observe the motive, as well, which led Numa to regard these
boundary stones as gods and content themselves with their own
possessions without appropriating those of others either by violence
or by fraud; whereas now there are some who, in disregard of what is
best and of the example of their ancestors, instead of distinguishing
that which is theirs from that which belongs to others, set as bounds
to their possessions, not the law, but their greed to possess
everything, — which is disgraceful behaviour. But we leave the
considerations of these matters to others." - Dionysius of
Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 2.74


"At the start of the month they say that Juno the Saviour (Sospita),
Neighbouring the Phrygian Mother, was honoured with new shrines.
If you ask where those temples, dedicated to the goddess
On the Kalends, are now, they are fallen with the lapse of time.
All the rest would have similarly fallen in ruins,
But for the far-sighted concern of our sacred Leader,
Under whose rule the shrines are untouched by age:
Not satisfied with mere men, he also serves the gods.
Pious one, you who build and repair the temples,
May there be mutual care between you and the gods!
May the gods grant you the length of years you grant them,
And may they stand on guard before your house!
On this day too the grove of Alernus is crowded,
Near where Tiber, from afar, meets the ocean waves.
At Numa's sanctuary, and the Thunderer's on the Capitol,
And on the summit of Jove's citadel, a sheep is sacrificed.
Often the sky, covered with cloud, rains heavily,
Or the earth is hidden under a blanket of snow." - Ovid, Fasti II

February is dedicated to the god Mars and to His mother, Iuno (as Iuno
Sospita). The name Februarius, the modern February, is probably
derived from the Latin word februum, religious purification, or from
februa, instruments of purification, or perhaps from the name of the
obscure Etruscan deity Februus. He originally belonged to the Sabine
people of the Apennines. The Etruscans were also very keen on him, but
he was borrowed by the conquering Romans who were looking for a decent
purifying God to help with the spring-cleaning. Most of the festival
days in February are days of solemn religious observance, dedicated to
honoring and propitiating the spirits of the ancestors. February is a
month in which particular reverence was shown to the spirits of
deceased ancestors. In a familiar cultural dichotomy in which both
death and life were celebrated, this was a month devoted to fertility,
both of men and women, and of the land. Many of the rites had vestiges
of agricultural overtones. It may be more than coincidence that the
dead, who were either buried or considered to be in the "underworld",
and the fruits of agriculture, both relate to the earth.


Valete bene,

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Ovid, Theoi Project, Wikipedia

C Marcius Crispus omnibus SPD

I read with interest the history of events in 2001, which included a reference to the entire Province of Britannica breaking with Nova Roma.

Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the Province, both then and since this time?

As a new citizen, one of the first things I did was to look for the relevant page, expecting to find information about my own Province, merely to discover absolutely nothing. I am sure other Britons will have been similarly disappointed.

There are surely a number of citizens, including some newly-admitted ones, who are Britons, and I wonder what can be done to try to bring we citizens together as a group and work to restore the Province. Could anyone out there suggest what we should do, and help us make a start? Perhaps Nova Roma could help its british citizens play more of a role as a Province of the Res Publica.

Any information or suggestions would be most gratefully received.

And would any other Brits be interested in getting a team together to do whatever is necessary to reconstitute the Province? If so, please lets get together.


Valete optime!

Gaius Marcius Crispus



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Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,

C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...> writes:

> Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
> Province, both then and since this time?

Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six years.
It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus, who I
imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who built a
beautiful website and became governor and then a senator. Unfortunately for
all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not been
especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall during the
summer of 2006.

We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from time to time.
Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
Wall?

Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're just
being quiet right now.

Vale, et valete,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

KALENDS RITUAL FOR JANUS

PRAEPARATIO:
In preparation for the rite, I woke before sunrise and I cleaned and
incensed my shrine to Ianus. Then I bathed in preparation, garbed in
toga, capite velato I offered to my Lares and lit the focus with
prayers and offerings to Mother Vesta, Goddess of the Hearth Fire.
The mood was calm as was the weather...cold, but calm.

PRAEFATIO:
- Silentium: "Procul, O procul, este profane!"

I then performed a final cleansing, aspersing area and washing my hands:
"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat."

"Be well, Father Janus, Beginner of all things. Open please, the
Celestial Gates and look kindly and favorably on the Kalends ritual I
hold in your honor."
(Incense and wine are offered)

"Be well, Queen Juno, look down and preserve us. Accept this offering
of incense and look kindly and favorably upon me and the Senate and
people of Nova Roma."
(Incense is placed in focus)

"Queen Juno, in addition to my virtuous offering of incense, be
honored by this offering of wine that I pour in libation. May you look
kindly and favorably upon the Senate and people of Nova Roma."
(Libation is poured for the Goddess)

SACRIFICATIO:
Hands are washed again.
"Hear me Father Janus, who was before all the Gods, from whom all
things proceed, graciously lend your ears to my prayers, on this, the
Kalends of February. Janus Junonius, beginner of the month, attend and
bless your Senators and those of the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites."

Offer incense:
"Father Janus, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers,
that you will look kindly and favorably upon me and the Senate and
People of Nova Roma."

Offer Libation:
"Father Janus, in addition to my virtuous offering of incense, be
honored by this offering of wine in libation and look kindly and
favorably upon me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma."

- Praecatio:
"Origin of the Gods, Janus, you who begins the year, the month, and
the day, you who when you appear the long ages are renewed, to you
Janus Junonius it is proper for offerings to be given at the beginning
of the month. On this day, the Kalends of February, may you accept
these offerings of libum cakes, honey and wine and bless the entire
nation of Nova Roma. Janus Junonius, may you be pleased by these
offerings and may the Senate and people of Nova Roma have what is
goodly, auspicious, fruitful, fortunate, and wholesome."

"Father Janus, to You I pray good prayers, offering You this pile of
cakes, so that you might willing be favorable to me and the Senate and
People of Nova Roma."

"Father Janus, I offer You this honey, so that You may be increased
and so that You may look kindly and favorably upon me and the Senate
and People of Nova Roma."
(drizzle honey over libum cakes.)

"Father Janus, for the same reasons given in the good prayers while
offering You piled cakes and honey, may You accept and be honored by
this portion of wine I pour."

"Father Janus, may the Senate and People of Nova Roma have what is
goodly, auspicious, fruitful, fortunate and wholesome. For these
reasons have I this day offered these sacrifices to you, Janus, God of
good beginnings."


LITATIO:
"Father Janus, I deservedly give great thanks for attending and
bearing witness to my rite."
(Offer incense and libation)

"Queen Juno, I deservedly give great thanks for attending and bearing
witness to my rite."
(Offer incense and libation)

"Mother Vesta, I deservedly give great thanks for attending and
bearing witness to my rite."
(Offer incense and libation)

"No more, Gods on high, do I ask of You today; it is enough."

PIACULUM:
"Gods Immortal, if anything I have done in this ceremony has been
incorrect, incomplete or otherwise displeasing to You, I ask
forgiveness with this offering of incense."

"Gods Immortal, if anything I have done in this ceremony has been
incorrect, incomplete or otherwise displeasing to You, I ask
forgiveness with this portion of wine I pour."

PERLITATIO:
I observed a sign ritual offerings were accepted.


Vale optime in pace Deorum.

Lucius Cassius Cornutus
Sacerdos Iani

C Marcius Crispus Equitie Marine omnibusque SPD

Thank you for your reply.

It would be good if enough of us brits could get together to get the website at http://www.britannia-provincia.co.uk working, with at least some information in it.

Any helpers?

Vale et valete omnes
Caius Marcius Crispus

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,

C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...> writes:

> Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
> Province, both then and since this time?

Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six years.
It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus, who I
imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who built a
beautiful website and became governor and then a senator. Unfortunately for
all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not been
especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall during the
summer of 2006.

We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from time to time.
Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
Wall?

Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're just
being quiet right now.

Vale, et valete,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS





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Senate Voting Results

The Senate was called to order on Jan. 18th 2007. The Contio was held on agenda items until Jan. 23rd 2007

Voting on the agenda items was then held from Jan. 23rd , 24:00 to Jan. 31st 2007, 24:00 (time of Rome).

On 31st of January, the latest session of the Senate of Nova Roma was declared closed by the Consul L. Arminius Faustus, in which 33 of the 38 senatores voted, fulfilling the quorum needed for the session.


Here are the list of the voting Senators, alfabetically listed by nomen:

[SAS] Sextus Apollonius Scipio
[FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
[LAF] Lucius Arminius Faustus
[MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior
[MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
[PC] Patricia Cassia
[ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica
[CCS] Caius Curius Saturninus
[GEC] Gaius Equitius Cato
[GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
[LECA] Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
[GFBM] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
[CFBQ] Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
[QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus
[CFD] Caius Flavius Diocletianus
[TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
[AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
[MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
[MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus
[DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
[GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus
[LMS] Lucius Minicius Sceptius
[MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens
[PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo
[MOG] Marcus Octavius Gracchus
[TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
[GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas
[GSA] Gnaeus Salvius Astur
[JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna
[LSA] Lucius Sergius Australicus
[QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
[ATS ] A. Tullia Scholastica
[ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato


SENATE AGENDA STARTS


Item I - Appointment of interpreters

1a. Titus Arminius Genialis as interpreter of PORTUGUESE

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS to all. They have been doing excellent work already
in the Wiki
GEM - Uti Rogas
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all, with thanks for work already accomplished.
MMA- "a" through "c" -- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS UTI ROGAS I thank them very much for their willingness to serve.
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to all.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas
CCS: Uti rogas to all
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas for all.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS for both the candidates.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM -Vti rogas I vote to appoint all three in item I
ATS: Vt� rog�s. Geni�lis has an excellent command of English, and seems quite eager to work.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Titus Arminius Geniales is appointed as interpreter portuguese

1b. According Lex Cornelia, creation of the office of HUNGARIAN Interpreter, and appointment of Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as its first interpreter.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS to all. They have been doing excellent work already
in the Wiki
GEM - Uti Rogas
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all, with thanks for work already accomplished.
MMA- "a" through "c" -- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS UTI ROGAS I thank them very much for their willingness to serve.
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to all.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas
CCS: Uti rogas to all
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas for all.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS for both the candidates.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM -Vti rogas I vote to appoint all three in item I
ATS: Vt� rog�s. Lentulus is a fine young man, and a graduate student in classics who is devoted to Rome and Nova Roma.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is appointes Hungarian interpeter

1c. Titus Octavius Avitus as interpreter of FRENCH.

QSP - UTI ROGAS I thank these citizens for their interest and dedication
MOG: UTI ROGAS to all. They have been doing excellent work already
in the Wiki
GEM - Uti Rogas
TGP - VTI ROGAS. I appreciate their willingness to serve
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all

CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all, with thanks for work already accomplished.
MMA- "a" through "c" -- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS I thank them very much for their willingness to serve.
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to all.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas
CCS: Uti rogas to all
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas for all.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS for both the candidates.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM -Vti rogas I vote to appoint all three in item I
ATS: Vt� rog�s. I have had correspondence with this gentleman as well, and his training and level of competency in French seem to be at a very high level.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Util Rogas: Titus Octavius Avitus is appointed as interpreter of FRENCH



Item II - Appointment of propraetores proconsulesqve

2a. Lucius Aurelius Severus as propraetor of CANADA ORIENTALIS.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM Uti Rogas
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all..
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS.
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there.
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Lucius Aurelius Severus is appointed as propraetor of CANADA ORIENTALIS

2b. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as propraetor of CANADA OCCIDENTALIS.

QSP - UTI ROGAS and with great appreciation for his skills and
dedication.
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas, with my particular thanks to Gn. Iulius for being willing to
continue in office. Our western Canadian group is small, but of very high
quality.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS. Gaenus is a fine example of Roman virtue. I believe he ought to be a Senator.
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincial
ATMC - UTI ROGAS.
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar is appointed as propraetor of CANADA OCCIDENTALIS

2c. Titus Arminius Genialis as propraetor of BRASILIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Titus Arminius Genialis is appointed as propraetor of BRASILIA

2d. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as propraetor of PANNONIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas. Lentulus is a superb citizen, and an able magistrate.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS. I'm happy that the Pannonia will be in good hands.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is appointed as propraetor of PANNONIA


2e. Titus Iulius Sabinus as propraetor of DACIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM- Uti Rogas. Sabinus is one of our very best. Dacia is fortunate to have him.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS. I support Sabinus, a very skilled magistrates with excellent idea.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s. Sab�nus is a dedicated, hardworking, citizen who should be cloned.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Titus Iulius Sabinusis appointed as propraetor of DACIA.

2f. Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus as proconsul of LACUS MAGNI.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas. My thanks to Gaius Fabius for his continued efforts on behalf of
the Republic.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS Very experienced citizen.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus is appointed as proconsul of LACUS MAGNI


2g. Caius Curius Saturninus as propraetor of THULE.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas. Another first rate citizen. I am pleased he is willing to
continue to serve.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS Saturninus is one of our most active and intelligent citizen.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Caius Curius Saturninus is appointed as propraetor of THULE.




2h. Quintus Fabius Maximus as proconsul of CALIFORNIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: ANTIQUO. We've seen nothing but decline in that province for
five years. It's time for an active governor.
GEM - Antiquo. It is time and past time for California to have another governor. Better the governorship of California be left empty a few months than it be saddled for yet another year with a governor who does nothing and suppresses the efforts of others to do things within his province.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: ANTIQUO
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA: "h"�ABSTAIN
In regards to Senator Maximus and Provincia California, his provided plan looks pretty good to me. He is having the same kind of difficulty in California, that I am seeing in Nova Britannia. We do not always agree, however, I trust that what he says, he will do his best to accomplish. Additionally, I see no other governor candidate for that province, and I strongly disagree that no governor is better than the existing one. �MMA
I have made an error in my vote. I voted to Abstain my vote for Senator Maximus as a governor. I want to change that error to read:
"YES" for Governor Maximus and to
"ABSTAIN" for Governor Marcus Audens.
My thanks to Senator Maximus for alerting me to my error. My apologies for any difficulty that this error has caused.
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS �ANTIQUO
MMPH - ANTIQUO
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: ANTIQUO. We need to stop the decline, and a new governor is part
of the solution.
GFBM: Antiquo
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : ANTIQUO
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: ANTIQVO
ECF: Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC � ABSTAIN
LAF : ANTIQVO - The absence of people of California so long time, a culturally so rich environment, makes me worry about the capacity of the governor. We used to use the W.O. rule - nobody steps down, the sole willing citizen becomes the wining candidate. Well, I think on this case it is not working anymore.
CFBQ: Antiquo
FAC: ANTIQVO California needs an active governor
CSA - I vote against.
MAM: Antiquo.
AMA: Antiquo.
SAS: Abstineo.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Antiqu�
GEC: Uti Rogas

12 Uti Rogas, 2 Abstineo and 19 Antiquo: Quintus Fabius Maximus is NOT appointed as proconsul of CALIFORNIA

2i. C. Sempronia Graccha Volentia as propraetor of AMERICA MEDIOCCIDENTALIS SUPERIOR

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s. She has done a good job with the calendar distribution in the US, and with various sodalitates.
The title, however, should be propraetr�x in her case.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: C. Sempronia Graccha Volentia is appointed as propraetrix of AMERICA MEDIOCCIDENTALIS SUPERIOR

2j. Fl. Galerius Aurelianus as propraetor of AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM - Uti Rogas, with my thanks to Propraetor Galerius for his active and
enthusiastic service.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF:VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Fl. Galerius Aurelianus is appointed as propraetor of AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS

2k. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of AMERICA MEDIATLANTICA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas, by whatever title, a good governor.
TGP � ABSTINEO
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS. although I think he would have really considered pass to
another citizen, due to the burden of the consulship this year.
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s, though this is, as one of the honored senatores had noted, a heavy burden in conjunction with the c�nsul�tus.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is appointed as proconsul of AMERICA MEDIATLANTICA

2l. Marcus Minucius Audens as proconsul of NOVA BRITANNIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas, with my thanks for his long years of service.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
I have made an error in my vote. I voted to Abstain my vote for Senator Maximus as a governor. I want to change that error to read:
"YES" for Governor Maximus and to
"ABSTAIN" for Governor Marcus Audens.
My thanks to Senator Maximus for alerting me to my error. My apologies for any difficulty that this error has caused.
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS He is an example for us as man and as governor
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s.
GEC: Uti Rogas

32 Uti Rogas and 1 Abstineo: Marcus Minucius Audens is appointed as proconsul of NOVA BRITANNIA.

2m. Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius as propraetor of HISPANIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas. Lucius Didius continues to serve the Republic and his province
well. Few outside Hispania realize just how much he does.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS I see again great projects for Hispania.
CSA - I abstain.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s, though the gentleman has pointed out that his nomen is now Minicius (as it has been for some time), not the historically-inaccurate and linguistically impossible Didius Geminus. His correct name is thus L. Minicius Sceptius.
GEC: Uti Rogas

31 Uti Rogas and 2 Abstineo: Lucius Minicius Sceptius is appointed as propraetor of HISPANIA



Item III - Senatusconsultum - "De consulibus et proconsulibus"

In keeping with the authority granted to the Senate by Article III, Paragraph 3, of the Constitution, (Please note that this is a change only to their title, and has no impact on their duties, powers, and
functions).
Currently-serving Consuls governing provinces shall be titled Consul.
Former Consuls who are continuing to govern a province after their term as Consul ends shall be titled Proconsul.
Magistrates appointed by the Senate to govern a particular province for the first time shall be titled Praetor.
Praetors who continue to govern a province after their first term of office ends shall be titled Propraetor.

Magistrates appointed by governors to assist in the administration of their province who shares the governor�s Imperium shall be titled Legate

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: ANTIQUO.
GEM: Antiquo. Only the Comitia Centuriata may make a Praetor. Thus I can not
support this proposal.
TGP - VTI ROGAS This simply adds the new title of Italy to the
current SC on titles
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS: Uti Rogas
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: ANTIQUO
MMA -- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Antiquo
Comment: There seems to be a flaw in this in that the Senate should not be empowered to appoint someone to be a praetor. Beyond that, this seemingly endless topic of seeking exactly the "right" title for every position seems to be a great waste of time and energy.
PMS �ANTIQUO
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM � ANTIQVO. Ironic since I pushed for this. But I believe we must reword it better.
TOPA: ANTIQUO. It is dangerous calling governators Praetors without a law or preferably constitutional amendment to separate them from the "real" Praetors.
GFBM: Antiquo. I would prefer the usage of something other than Praetor.
GPL - Antiquo. As has been pointed out, only the people can create a praetor.
MBA : ANTIQUO
DIPI: ANTIQUO. Marinus is right, the senate can not make a praetor, only give propraetorian powers, thus the use of the term "propraetor" during previous years.
CCS: Antiquo
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Antiquo
ATMC - ANTIQUO
LAF: VTI ROGAS - This Senatusconsultum changes nothing, just titles.
CFBQ: Antiquo
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Abstineo.
AMA: Antiquo.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Nego I vote not to approve the senatusconsultum now, understanding that the language differentiating praetor and propraetor will be developed for resubmission.
ATS: Antiqu�. As proposed here, the title praetor seems inaccurate and inappropriate.
GEC: Antiquo. I prefer the usage of the available (and historic) terminology rather than than "praetor".

13 Uti Rogas, 1 Abstineo and 19 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum not passed



Item IV - Senatusconsultum - "De Italia"

The attribute "province" is removed from the description of Italy within Nova Roma.

It will be govern as a province under the rules adopted by the Senate but will be called Italia.

The "governor" of Italy shall be called Praefectus Italiae. If a sitting Consul or Praetor resides in Italy and they serve as "governor" on behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma they shall be called Consul or Praetor.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS: Uti Rogas
CFD: Antiquo The proposal has it�s ancient roots in times later than that of the republic we try to reconstruct. More important for me is that we need a territorial organization adequate to our internet-based micornational character. Italia is de facto a province and should de facto bear the title of a province. A province is governed by a promagistrate, the titles we adjusted above. Some adjustments to our current times and structures are necessary.
PC: UTI ROGAS.
MMA -- NO;

I had originally thought to approve this item, but the arguments against it are, to me, quite telling. This decision of mine, has nothing to do with personalities �MMA
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Antiquo Comment: There appears to be no real reason for this proposal other than that it will make the Italians feel good. If that's a motive, perhaps we should make all citizens everywhere feel good by dropping the term "province" from the titles of all regions of Nova Roma.
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - ANTIQVO
Italia should be an equal to all provinces. To single her out just because she contains Rome is silly and sets a precedent.
TOPA: UTI ROGAS.
GFBM: Uti Rogas.
GPL- Antiquo. I agree with Senators Australicus, Cincinnatus, and Diocletianus.
MBA : UTI ROGAS. I like the idea of honouring Italia, for they are the home of Rome.
DIPI: Antiquo
CCS: Uti rogas. Many thanks for our Consules for making this change!
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas. This is a great improvement to our credibility.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS, we cannot deny this honour to Italia
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour. It was due time that this old reivindication of our Italian co-citizens be recognized.
MAM: Abstineo.
AMA: Uti Rogas
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to honor Italia in this way.
ATS: Vt� rog�s
GEC: Uti Rogas

26 Uti Rogas, 1 Abstineo and 6 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum passed



Item V - Senatusconsultum - "Senatus Consultum de Regendis Provinciis"

I. The SenatusConsultum of 11 March 2001 is hereby revoked. For all purposes of this text, the English word "governor" replaces the Latin terms "propraetor" or "proconsul". In the absence of the consuls,these instructions should be followed by the magistrate with the highest Imperium available granted by the Republic (such as the praetor, dictator or interrex).
II. At the beginning of their terms of office, but prior to the Ides of February, the consuls are asked to issue an edictum calling for the governors for the upcoming year. The consuls will be responsible for
setting the period during which applications will be taken in accordance with their planning of the Senate's agenda.
III. The term of a governor starts immediately after issuance of the Senate results of the approvals on the Main List. The term of a governor ends with that of a new governor for the province (or the
same, in case of prorogation ) or on the Ides (15th) of March, or whichever happens first. Any change before the term is the responsibility of the Senate.
IV. For provinces with a budget at their disposal, the Senate asks the consuls to choose one of the quaestors to help the governor in making jointly the report of expenses. The consuls shall take geographic and cultural patterns into account for making the assignment.
V. The Senate asks the consuls to not accept candidates that are not allowed by NR law to become governors. If a current governor fails to send the Senate the financial report of the province (if needed) by the time for calling of new governors, the Senate advises the consuls not to accept the name of this citizen for prorogation.

QSP - UTI ROGAS to all v
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas.
TGP � Abstain
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS: Uti Rogas
CFD: Abstino.
PC: UTI ROGAS.
MMA -- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Abstineo
PMS �ABSTAIN
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - ANTIQVO
While I under stand what this is suppose to say, it�s badly written and needs revision
TOPA: UTI ROGAS.
GFBM: Uti Rogas.
GPL :Uti Rogas
MBA: UTI ROGAS. I like this. It clears the way for more accurate titles.
DIPI: Abstineo
CCS: Uti rogas.
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas
ATMC � ABSTAIN
LAF: VTI ROGAS, it makes things clearer
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour
MAM: Abstineo.
AMA: Uti Rogas
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to adopt this senatusconsultum.
ATS: Vt� rog�s, though not without some hesitation.
GEC: Uti Rogas

25 Uti Rogas, 7 Abstineo and 1 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum passed.



Item VI - Senatusconsultum - "De Aquila"

Senatus Consultum on the Aquila Newsletter.

The Senate authorizes the Editor Commentariorum, Ap. Galerius Aurelianus, to solicit subscriptions, in an amount determined by him but not exceeding $20.00USD per subscription for a printed Aquila
Newsletter." Individuals may if the like make donations in addition to taking out a subscription.

He is further authorized to solicit donations to off-set the costs of publishing the Aquila newsletter for the year L. Arminio Ti. Galerio cos. The number of copies, per issue, to be printed shall be
determined by the Editor Commentariorum, with the advice of his staff and advisors, based on the cost of production, delivery and the amount of money collected.

The Senate requires that 2/3 of the total cost of the newsletter be covered by direct subscriptions and / or donations. No more than 1/3 of the total cost will be covered by the Nova Roma treasury.

The Editor Commentariorum, Ap. Galerius Aurelianus, will also publish or cause to be published, a free web version of the Aquila newsletter. He shall do so in a manner determined by him


QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS. A printed newsletter is desperately needed for our credibility, else were are nothing more than a collection of mailing lists and web sites. We don't need yet another web site; we need a newsletter.
GEM: Uti Rogas, with the caution that the Editor Commentariorum must strive to cover all operating costs with paid subscription fees. The 1/3 amount specified in the text is an upper bound, and not something that he should consider 'money in the bank.'
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS: Abstineo
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: ANTIQUO. More needs to be known about the financial aspects of this move, and whether we have the volunteers available to do the work of producing, printing and mailing this Aquila.
MMA --YES; I had originally thought to disapprove of this issue because of the mention of allotting NR funding to support it. However, I agree with those who seek a more specific and detailed item signifying NR to the outside world. I believe this newsletter will help in this effort.
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS - ANTIQUO I believe we should be doing the audit first before awarding any monies, except for a strict emergency situation. Moreover, I would like to know a figure of how much is being requested of the Senate as opposed to a given percentage of the costs.
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM � VTI ROGAS
TOPA: ANTIQUO. Put in an upper limit as to how much the third that Nova Roma is supposed to cover may be, otherwise I'm in support.
GFBM: Uti Rogas. However, I don't think our publications need take any money from our treasury. I believe they can be self-sufficient.
GPL :Uti Rogas
MBA: UTI ROGAS.
DIPI: Uti rogas. It will be good to see a hard copy of the Eagle again.
CCS: Antiquo.
MIP: ABSTINEO
ECF: Antiquo. A fixed sum would be more preferable.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: ABSTINEO, I said once we should not approve anything without a detailed budget. I miss one on this case. Once, the Aquila budget administration was a disaster. So, for approve without doubt, It would be very suitable an detailed budget.
CFBQ: Antiquo
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour
MAM: Abstineo.
AMA: Uti Rogas
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to adopt this senatusconsultum.
ATS: Abstine�.
GEC: Uti Rogas

22 Uti Rogas, 5 Abstineo and 6 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum passed.

COMMENTS OF SENATORES
Item VII - Contio about 2/3

"Last year, the subject of the 2/3 of the Senate needed to approve a constitutional reform has been touched due to many doubts of interpretation. There was some division of opinions between the
magistrates. The question remained unsolved, and some senatores asked the current consuls to continue the subject.

There is currently two interpretations of the law, both with merits. According to the Historical procedures of Ancient Rome, and obeying the seniority of the conscript fathers, we invite all senatores to discuss the question,on the hope some light can be better brought to the subject. There is no voting, just a refreshment of the question.

One interpretation says the text of the Constitution means "2/3 of the entire Senate" means all citizens entitled to vote in the Senate.

The other means "2/3 of the entire Senate" means all voting senatores , ie, by "Senate" is recognized the senatores present to a voting.

So we invite the senatores to give their opinions during the voting.

We hope the fathers understand everything on the Republic can be accomplished with a powerful agreement, and we together can reach to a reasonable and republican approuch.

QSP - I would rather have a straight vote passed by numbers rather than the 2/3 formula. I think the 2/3 system could be stifling and frustrating, slowing things down; also, more often than not there are
always 5 or 6 senators who do not make the voting and that does not help at all.

MOG - The Constitution is broken. The author never foresaw a Senate with a high absentee rate. Either the Constitution needs to be fixed so that a 2/3rds majority of voting Senators (when a quorum is present) are sufficient, or we're going to have to start tossing people out of the Senate if we ever want to be able to make any changes.

GEM - The text of the Constitution is clear. 2/3 of all the persons enrolled in the Album Senatorium must vote in favor of a Constitutional Amendment for it to pass. I recommend that Censors M. Octavius Gracchus and C. Fabius Buteo Modianus exercise their constitutionally granted authority to remove inactive senators from the Album Senatorium as quickly as possible, in order to preserve the effectiveness of this Senate.

TGP Our constitution has clauses that are at times contradictorily. This is not one of those times. I believe that the only way one can interpret the constitution is to look at its plain language . "2/3 of the entire Senate" means "2/3 of the entire Senate"

JSM - The constitution should be modified only in extreme circumstances. A policy regarding absenteeism of senatores ought to be developed and rigorously applied.

LSM - I support a 2/3 of the voting senators. If there are people who doesn't care about what is under voting at any moment on the organization they belong to, and give no proxy or representation, they can be count as "mind absence" people. So only 2/3 of the people who really care and participate.

CFD: I prefer a historical argumentation. In ancient times many Senators were unable to be present in Senate sessions due to commitments overseas, in wars acting as officers, in diplomatic missions, as provincial magistrates. This means that our ancient forefathers had a Senate which was imho quite never complete. Today a simple network breakdown can cut more than one Senatr off communication, that�s comparable for me.
The 2/3 quorum can in my opinion only be counted from the Senators present at a specific session.

PC: I agree with the Constitution as currently written.

MMA (no vote) -- I do not agree that the Constitution is unclear on this question. It is quite clear to me, and the concern lies in two areas. The first, and most important one, to my thought, is the responsibility of the Senators so appointed. It is a significant honor to be elected to this office or to be appointed by one's peers. It also has a significant responsibility. If any Senator is not concerned about the responsibility he or she should be removed from that position. The second concern is the problem of communication methodology. Yahoo has not in the past proven to be so exact in their support that I should be willing to dismiss a Senator solely on the basis of Yahoo's message delivery record. Two items to consider in this question.

LECA - The Constitution stipulates 2/3 of the ENTIRE Senate must vote to ratify any change to it. It does not say anything other than that, not "of those who vote", not "minus those who abstain", et cetera.
There is only one *Honest* interpretation of the statement, "... such alterations to this Constitution must be ratified by a vote of two-thirds of the entire Senate before they shall take effect...", any less than 2/3's of the entire Senate voting to ratify is not enough to pass an amendment/change.
What should be done? Let the system work for once, BEFORE monkeying around with it.
Why is it that each new administration is in such a rush to make changes?
We've been through this drill many times the past years and I haven't honestly seen any changes that have made Nova Roma better, more complicated, but not better.

LSA - comment: It is my opinion that this provision of the Constitution should remain unaltered and should be understood to mean what it clearly says - that 2/3 of all the members of the Senate must approve a change to the Constitution. Senators not participating for an extended period of time should be removed by the Censors.

PMS - I do not see the ambiguity in current constitutional language itself...For years it has been unquestioned as meaning 2/3 of this entire senate , just as it reads. This 2/3 has shown to be attainable in the past when Senators have voted regularily. I, with other Senators, think it is time to tighten the criteria of participation for Senators to maintain their positions among this august body.

MMPH � No comments

QFM - This is a vote with no division possible. But for informative purposes it is very apparent that 2/3rds of the ENTIRE appointed SENATE must vote to ratify any change to this Constitution. Other wise it would read � THOSE SENATORS PRESENT� in the text.
So to make it official: VTI ROGAS to the interpetation that the vote must pass with 2/3rds of the entire Senate.
Not just those Senators present.

TOPA: UTI ROGAS - as I believe the phrase would have interpreted by the romans and how I believe it should be used. If it cannot be interpreted that way, I am for a constitutional amendment to the same effect.

GFBM: I agree with M. Octavius Gracchus in that there are problems in our constitution. There are also too many senators who don't vote. If someone is a senator and doesn't have the time or interest they need to let the Censores know about it so they can be removed. I think the constitution does indicate 2/3 of the whole senate, but I think this should be changed.

GPL : It seems to me the Constitution is very clear. A 2/3rds vote of the entire Senate is required.

MBA: After reviewing the constitution, I am of the belief that 2/3 of the entire Senate means just that. We, as Senators, need to be responsible and vote. I missed one vote at the beginning of last year and I still feel that I violated a trust that was given to me.

DIPI - (No vote required.) There is no ambiguity in the constitution on this matter. It clearly states votes of 2/3rds of the *entire* senate is required to pass a constitutional amendment, not 2/3rds of those voting.
This has never really been a problem before last year, so perhaps part of the issue was last year's leadership. In the past, if consuls were afraid of not getting enough votes, they would lobby senators privately and in the senate, saying why a vote was important and why a senator's vote was important and needed. They would lead.
As for high absenteeism of late, again it may be an issue of last year's leadership. It may also be due to the cheapening of the senate the year before that, when 11 or 12 people were added (increasing our numbers by about 1/3) to the senate in one year by the censores. That stacking of the senate made it much more difficult to add worthy people to the senate in following years because of the required senator to assidui ratio. It made the title of senator mean less and may have encouraged people to stay away from this chamber more than they would have.

CCS - Uti rogas. Senator Pius has already pointed out same comments I intended to.

MIP: VTI ROGAS

ECF: Uti rogas.

ATMC � No comments

LAF: Since the ancient roman senatores never ever counted missing senatores, I believe the constitution means 2/3 of the voting senatores. Anyway, I urge the Senate to consider even more �draconian� measures to keep citizens on the album Senatorium.

CFBQ - o change he Constitution to only include the voting Senatores in the 2/3 is both historical and practical. Although I encourage the Censores to get rid of Senatores who haven't voted for three times in a row, without asking for leave or having medical reasons.

FAC: No comments

CSA - Any "2/3 formula" will necessarily be historically inaccurate. I'd advocate for getting rid of this modernism altogether.

MAM: Abstineo.

AMA: I agree with the constitution as it is currently written, that 2/3 of all the persons enrolled in the Album Senatorium must vote.

SAS: Any such formula will not be accurate historically.

CMM - For the purpose of constitutional amendment only, the quorum should in my opinion remain 2/3 of the entire senate, not only of senators casting votes in session. To amend the constitution should be a rarity, and therefore, provisions aren't needed to facilitate it. For all other business, a simple majority of votes cast, discarding "abstineo", should determine the outcome. In this way, the senate can move forward while preserving the structure of Nova Roma's institutions.

ATS: For what it is worth, I cannot see how we can fail to interpret this as meaning two-thirds of all members considered part of the senate. Clearly, however, if paralysis is a problem because too few of the enrolled members vote, some pruning of inactive members should be done. Perhaps there could be sen�t�r�s �merit� who would not count toward the total.

GEC: I believe the lex Constitutiva should be left as it is.

Valete

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
NOVA ROMA

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Agricola Crispo sal,


In the meantime, why not get some pages in the wiki? Several
provinciae are doing just that. You lose some flexibility design-wise,
but it is quick and easy.

optime vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bob Johnson <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
>
> C Marcius Crispus Equitie Marine omnibusque SPD
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> It would be good if enough of us brits could get together to get
the website at http://www.britannia-provincia.co.uk working, with at
least some information in it.
>
> Any helpers?
>
> Vale et valete omnes
> Caius Marcius Crispus
>
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
> Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,
>
> C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...> writes:
>
> > Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
> > Province, both then and since this time?
>
> Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six
years.
> It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus,
who I
> imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who
built a
> beautiful website and became governor and then a senator.
Unfortunately for
> all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not
been
> especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall
during the
> summer of 2006.
>
> We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from
time to time.
> Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
> Wall?
>
> Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're
just
> being quiet right now.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN•EQVIT•MARINVS
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Crispus Agricola sal

Thanks, a useful idea.

Optime vale!

"M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...> wrote:
Agricola Crispo sal,

In the meantime, why not get some pages in the wiki? Several
provinciae are doing just that. You lose some flexibility design-wise,
but it is quick and easy.

optime vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bob Johnson <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
>
> C Marcius Crispus Equitie Marine omnibusque SPD
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> It would be good if enough of us brits could get together to get
the website at http://www.britannia-provincia.co.uk working, with at
least some information in it.
>
> Any helpers?
>
> Vale et valete omnes
> Caius Marcius Crispus
>
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
> Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,
>
> C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...> writes:
>
> > Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
> > Province, both then and since this time?
>
> Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six
years.
> It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus,
who I
> imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who
built a
> beautiful website and became governor and then a senator.
Unfortunately for
> all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not
been
> especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall
during the
> summer of 2006.
>
> We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from
time to time.
> Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
> Wall?
>
> Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're
just
> being quiet right now.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN•EQVIT•MARINVS
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Salve,

Well I'm not a brit, but I can help out with a website if you'd like. I currently host about half a dozen websites including my gens website here: http://minucia.ciarin.com/

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Johnson
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The cries of the Britons


C Marcius Crispus Equitie Marine omnibusque SPD

Thank you for your reply.

It would be good if enough of us brits could get together to get the website at http://www.britannia-provincia.co.uk working, with at least some information in it.

Any helpers?

Vale et valete omnes
Caius Marcius Crispus

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,

C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...> writes:

> Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
> Province, both then and since this time?

Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six years.
It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus, who I
imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who built a
beautiful website and became governor and then a senator. Unfortunately for
all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not been
especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall during the
summer of 2006.

We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from time to time.
Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
Wall?

Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're just
being quiet right now.

Vale, et valete,

CN.EQVIT.MARINVS

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Crispus Marcella sal

Thanks very much for the offer.

Obviously I don't want to start anything until I have some backing, and chief of all I don't want to tread on any toes of those who may hold office in this Province (do they?) but help wiould be welcome.

Optime vale!

Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
Salve,

Well I'm not a brit, but I can help out with a website if you'd like. I currently host about half a dozen websites including my gens website here: http://minucia.ciarin.com/

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Johnson
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The cries of the Britons

C Marcius Crispus Equitie Marine omnibusque SPD

Thank you for your reply.

It would be good if enough of us brits could get together to get the website at http://www.britannia-provincia.co.uk working, with at least some information in it.

Any helpers?

Vale et valete omnes
Caius Marcius Crispus

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,

C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...> writes:

> Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
> Province, both then and since this time?

Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six years.
It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus, who I
imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who built a
beautiful website and became governor and then a senator. Unfortunately for
all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not been
especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall during the
summer of 2006.

We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from time to time.
Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
Wall?

Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're just
being quiet right now.

Vale, et valete,

CN.EQVIT.MARINVS

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Salvete civibus Novae Romae:

I correct my previous report:

Item I - Appointment of interpreters

1a. Titus Arminius Genialis as interpreter of PORTUGUESE

The correct vote of Sen. Cincinnatus Augur [LECA] is VTI ROGAS, Since Consul Faustus recommends him he must be good.

This does not change the result of the voting

Item IV - Senatusconsultum - "De Italia"

The correct vote of Sen. Cincinnatus Augur [LECA] is ANTIQUO, Italia is equal to all provicia

This change the result of the voting: 25 Uti Rogas, 1 Abstineo and 7 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum passed instead of published result 26 Uti Rogas, 1 Abstineo and 6 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum passed.

I request your pardon by my mistake when doing the copypaste of votes

Valete bene

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
NOVA ROMA
----- Mensaje original -----
De: M�C�C�
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
CC: ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com ; NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: jueves, 01 de febrero de 2007 15:46
Asunto: REPORT OF SENATE SESSION


Senate Voting Results

The Senate was called to order on Jan. 18th 2007. The Contio was held on agenda items until Jan. 23rd 2007

Voting on the agenda items was then held from Jan. 23rd , 24:00 to Jan. 31st 2007, 24:00 (time of Rome).

On 31st of January, the latest session of the Senate of Nova Roma was declared closed by the Consul L. Arminius Faustus, in which 33 of the 38 senatores voted, fulfilling the quorum needed for the session.


Here are the list of the voting Senators, alfabetically listed by nomen:

[SAS] Sextus Apollonius Scipio
[FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
[LAF] Lucius Arminius Faustus
[MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior
[MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
[PC] Patricia Cassia
[ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica
[CCS] Caius Curius Saturninus
[GEC] Gaius Equitius Cato
[GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
[LECA] Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
[GFBM] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
[CFBQ] Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
[QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus
[CFD] Caius Flavius Diocletianus
[TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
[AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
[MMPH] Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
[MIP] Marcus Iulius Perusianus
[DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
[GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus
[LMS] Lucius Minicius Sceptius
[MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens
[PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo
[MOG] Marcus Octavius Gracchus
[TOPA] Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
[GPL] Gaius Popillius Laenas
[GSA] Gnaeus Salvius Astur
[JSM] Julilla Sempronia Magna
[LSA] Lucius Sergius Australicus
[QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
[ATS ] A. Tullia Scholastica
[ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato


SENATE AGENDA STARTS


Item I - Appointment of interpreters

1a. Titus Arminius Genialis as interpreter of PORTUGUESE

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS to all. They have been doing excellent work already
in the Wiki
GEM - Uti Rogas
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all, with thanks for work already accomplished.
MMA- "a" through "c" -- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS UTI ROGAS I thank them very much for their willingness to serve.
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to all.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas
CCS: Uti rogas to all
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas for all.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS for both the candidates.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM -Vti rogas I vote to appoint all three in item I
ATS: Vt� rog�s. Geni�lis has an excellent command of English, and seems quite eager to work.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Titus Arminius Geniales is appointed as interpreter portuguese

1b. According Lex Cornelia, creation of the office of HUNGARIAN Interpreter, and appointment of Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as its first interpreter.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS to all. They have been doing excellent work already
in the Wiki
GEM - Uti Rogas
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all, with thanks for work already accomplished.
MMA- "a" through "c" -- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS UTI ROGAS I thank them very much for their willingness to serve.
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to all.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas
CCS: Uti rogas to all
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas for all.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS for both the candidates.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM -Vti rogas I vote to appoint all three in item I
ATS: Vt� rog�s. Lentulus is a fine young man, and a graduate student in classics who is devoted to Rome and Nova Roma.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is appointes Hungarian interpeter

1c. Titus Octavius Avitus as interpreter of FRENCH.

QSP - UTI ROGAS I thank these citizens for their interest and dedication
MOG: UTI ROGAS to all. They have been doing excellent work already
in the Wiki
GEM - Uti Rogas
TGP - VTI ROGAS. I appreciate their willingness to serve
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all

CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all, with thanks for work already accomplished.
MMA- "a" through "c" -- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS I thank them very much for their willingness to serve.
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to all.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas
CCS: Uti rogas to all
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas for all.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS for both the candidates.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM -Vti rogas I vote to appoint all three in item I
ATS: Vt� rog�s. I have had correspondence with this gentleman as well, and his training and level of competency in French seem to be at a very high level.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Util Rogas: Titus Octavius Avitus is appointed as interpreter of FRENCH



Item II - Appointment of propraetores proconsulesqve

2a. Lucius Aurelius Severus as propraetor of CANADA ORIENTALIS.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM Uti Rogas
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all..
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS.
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there.
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Lucius Aurelius Severus is appointed as propraetor of CANADA ORIENTALIS

2b. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as propraetor of CANADA OCCIDENTALIS.

QSP - UTI ROGAS and with great appreciation for his skills and
dedication.
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas, with my particular thanks to Gn. Iulius for being willing to
continue in office. Our western Canadian group is small, but of very high
quality.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS. Gaenus is a fine example of Roman virtue. I believe he ought to be a Senator.
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincial
ATMC - UTI ROGAS.
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar is appointed as propraetor of CANADA OCCIDENTALIS

2c. Titus Arminius Genialis as propraetor of BRASILIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Titus Arminius Genialis is appointed as propraetor of BRASILIA

2d. Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as propraetor of PANNONIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas. Lentulus is a superb citizen, and an able magistrate.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS. I'm happy that the Pannonia will be in good hands.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is appointed as propraetor of PANNONIA


2e. Titus Iulius Sabinus as propraetor of DACIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM- Uti Rogas. Sabinus is one of our very best. Dacia is fortunate to have him.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS. I support Sabinus, a very skilled magistrates with excellent idea.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s. Sab�nus is a dedicated, hardworking, citizen who should be cloned.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Titus Iulius Sabinusis appointed as propraetor of DACIA.

2f. Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus as proconsul of LACUS MAGNI.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas. My thanks to Gaius Fabius for his continued efforts on behalf of
the Republic.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS Very experienced citizen.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus is appointed as proconsul of LACUS MAGNI


2g. Caius Curius Saturninus as propraetor of THULE.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS
GEM - Uti Rogas. Another first rate citizen. I am pleased he is willing to
continue to serve.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF :VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS Saturninus is one of our most active and intelligent citizen.
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with my sincere thanks.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Caius Curius Saturninus is appointed as propraetor of THULE.




2h. Quintus Fabius Maximus as proconsul of CALIFORNIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: ANTIQUO. We've seen nothing but decline in that province for
five years. It's time for an active governor.
GEM - Antiquo. It is time and past time for California to have another governor. Better the governorship of California be left empty a few months than it be saddled for yet another year with a governor who does nothing and suppresses the efforts of others to do things within his province.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: ANTIQUO
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA: "h"�ABSTAIN
In regards to Senator Maximus and Provincia California, his provided plan looks pretty good to me. He is having the same kind of difficulty in California, that I am seeing in Nova Britannia. We do not always agree, however, I trust that what he says, he will do his best to accomplish. Additionally, I see no other governor candidate for that province, and I strongly disagree that no governor is better than the existing one. �MMA
I have made an error in my vote. I voted to Abstain my vote for Senator Maximus as a governor. I want to change that error to read:
"YES" for Governor Maximus and to
"ABSTAIN" for Governor Marcus Audens.
My thanks to Senator Maximus for alerting me to my error. My apologies for any difficulty that this error has caused.
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS �ANTIQUO
MMPH - ANTIQUO
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: ANTIQUO. We need to stop the decline, and a new governor is part
of the solution.
GFBM: Antiquo
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : ANTIQUO
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: ANTIQVO
ECF: Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC � ABSTAIN
LAF : ANTIQVO - The absence of people of California so long time, a culturally so rich environment, makes me worry about the capacity of the governor. We used to use the W.O. rule - nobody steps down, the sole willing citizen becomes the wining candidate. Well, I think on this case it is not working anymore.
CFBQ: Antiquo
FAC: ANTIQVO California needs an active governor
CSA - I vote against.
MAM: Antiquo.
AMA: Antiquo.
SAS: Abstineo.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Antiqu�
GEC: Uti Rogas

12 Uti Rogas, 2 Abstineo and 19 Antiquo: Quintus Fabius Maximus is NOT appointed as proconsul of CALIFORNIA

2i. C. Sempronia Graccha Volentia as propraetor of AMERICA MEDIOCCIDENTALIS SUPERIOR

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s. She has done a good job with the calendar distribution in the US, and with various sodalitates.
The title, however, should be propraetr�x in her case.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: C. Sempronia Graccha Volentia is appointed as propraetrix of AMERICA MEDIOCCIDENTALIS SUPERIOR

2j. Fl. Galerius Aurelianus as propraetor of AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM - Uti Rogas, with my thanks to Propraetor Galerius for his active and
enthusiastic service.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF:VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Fl. Galerius Aurelianus is appointed as propraetor of AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS

2k. Tiberius Galerius Paulinus as proconsul of AMERICA MEDIATLANTICA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas, by whatever title, a good governor.
TGP � ABSTINEO
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS. although I think he would have really considered pass to
another citizen, due to the burden of the consulship this year.
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s, though this is, as one of the honored senatores had noted, a heavy burden in conjunction with the c�nsul�tus.
GEC: Uti Rogas

33 Uti Rogas: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is appointed as proconsul of AMERICA MEDIATLANTICA

2l. Marcus Minucius Audens as proconsul of NOVA BRITANNIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas, with my thanks for his long years of service.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
I have made an error in my vote. I voted to Abstain my vote for Senator Maximus as a governor. I want to change that error to read:
"YES" for Governor Maximus and to
"ABSTAIN" for Governor Marcus Audens.
My thanks to Senator Maximus for alerting me to my error. My apologies for any difficulty that this error has caused.
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS He is an example for us as man and as governor
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s.
GEC: Uti Rogas

32 Uti Rogas and 1 Abstineo: Marcus Minucius Audens is appointed as proconsul of NOVA BRITANNIA.

2m. Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius as propraetor of HISPANIA.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas. Lucius Didius continues to serve the Republic and his province
well. Few outside Hispania realize just how much he does.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS - Uti Rogas to all EXCEPT: point 2.h. (California) which I vote Antiquo, and point 2.m (Hispania) which I vote Abstineo. Besides, I'm no longer Didius Geminus, but Minicius. Yahoo messing up...
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: UTI ROGAS to all.
MMA- "a" through "m" except for "h"-- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS to all
TOPA: UTI ROGAS to a through g and i through m.
GFBM: Uti Rogas
GPL - Uti Rogas to all.
MBA : UTI ROGAS
DIPI: Uti rogas to all
CCS: Uti rogas to A through G and I through M. Antiquo to H (California). It's time for the Senate to appoint a new person there
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas from A to G and from I to M. Antiquo to H (California). It would be good to find an active propraetor for this provincia.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS I see again great projects for Hispania.
CSA - I abstain.
MAM: Uti Rogas.
AMA: Uti Rogas to all with gratitude.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to appoint all nominated individuals above to govern provinces
ATS: Vt� rog�s, though the gentleman has pointed out that his nomen is now Minicius (as it has been for some time), not the historically-inaccurate and linguistically impossible Didius Geminus. His correct name is thus L. Minicius Sceptius.
GEC: Uti Rogas

31 Uti Rogas and 2 Abstineo: Lucius Minicius Sceptius is appointed as propraetor of HISPANIA



Item III - Senatusconsultum - "De consulibus et proconsulibus"

In keeping with the authority granted to the Senate by Article III, Paragraph 3, of the Constitution, (Please note that this is a change only to their title, and has no impact on their duties, powers, and
functions).
Currently-serving Consuls governing provinces shall be titled Consul.
Former Consuls who are continuing to govern a province after their term as Consul ends shall be titled Proconsul.
Magistrates appointed by the Senate to govern a particular province for the first time shall be titled Praetor.
Praetors who continue to govern a province after their first term of office ends shall be titled Propraetor.

Magistrates appointed by governors to assist in the administration of their province who shares the governor�s Imperium shall be titled Legate

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: ANTIQUO.
GEM: Antiquo. Only the Comitia Centuriata may make a Praetor. Thus I can not
support this proposal.
TGP - VTI ROGAS This simply adds the new title of Italy to the
current SC on titles
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS: Uti Rogas
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: ANTIQUO
MMA -- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Antiquo
Comment: There seems to be a flaw in this in that the Senate should not be empowered to appoint someone to be a praetor. Beyond that, this seemingly endless topic of seeking exactly the "right" title for every position seems to be a great waste of time and energy.
PMS �ANTIQUO
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM � ANTIQVO. Ironic since I pushed for this. But I believe we must reword it better.
TOPA: ANTIQUO. It is dangerous calling governators Praetors without a law or preferably constitutional amendment to separate them from the "real" Praetors.
GFBM: Antiquo. I would prefer the usage of something other than Praetor.
GPL - Antiquo. As has been pointed out, only the people can create a praetor.
MBA : ANTIQUO
DIPI: ANTIQUO. Marinus is right, the senate can not make a praetor, only give propraetorian powers, thus the use of the term "propraetor" during previous years.
CCS: Antiquo
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Antiquo
ATMC - ANTIQUO
LAF: VTI ROGAS - This Senatusconsultum changes nothing, just titles.
CFBQ: Antiquo
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour.
MAM: Abstineo.
AMA: Antiquo.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Nego I vote not to approve the senatusconsultum now, understanding that the language differentiating praetor and propraetor will be developed for resubmission.
ATS: Antiqu�. As proposed here, the title praetor seems inaccurate and inappropriate.
GEC: Antiquo. I prefer the usage of the available (and historic) terminology rather than than "praetor".

13 Uti Rogas, 1 Abstineo and 19 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum not passed



Item IV - Senatusconsultum - "De Italia"

The attribute "province" is removed from the description of Italy within Nova Roma.

It will be govern as a province under the rules adopted by the Senate but will be called Italia.

The "governor" of Italy shall be called Praefectus Italiae. If a sitting Consul or Praetor resides in Italy and they serve as "governor" on behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma they shall be called Consul or Praetor.

QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas.
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS: Uti Rogas
CFD: Antiquo The proposal has it�s ancient roots in times later than that of the republic we try to reconstruct. More important for me is that we need a territorial organization adequate to our internet-based micornational character. Italia is de facto a province and should de facto bear the title of a province. A province is governed by a promagistrate, the titles we adjusted above. Some adjustments to our current times and structures are necessary.
PC: UTI ROGAS.
MMA -- NO;

I had originally thought to approve this item, but the arguments against it are, to me, quite telling. This decision of mine, has nothing to do with personalities �MMA
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Antiquo Comment: There appears to be no real reason for this proposal other than that it will make the Italians feel good. If that's a motive, perhaps we should make all citizens everywhere feel good by dropping the term "province" from the titles of all regions of Nova Roma.
PMS -UTI ROGAS
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - ANTIQVO
Italia should be an equal to all provinces. To single her out just because she contains Rome is silly and sets a precedent.
TOPA: UTI ROGAS.
GFBM: Uti Rogas.
GPL- Antiquo. I agree with Senators Australicus, Cincinnatus, and Diocletianus.
MBA : UTI ROGAS. I like the idea of honouring Italia, for they are the home of Rome.
DIPI: Antiquo
CCS: Uti rogas. Many thanks for our Consules for making this change!
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas. This is a great improvement to our credibility.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS, we cannot deny this honour to Italia
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour. It was due time that this old reivindication of our Italian co-citizens be recognized.
MAM: Abstineo.
AMA: Uti Rogas
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to honor Italia in this way.
ATS: Vt� rog�s
GEC: Uti Rogas

26 Uti Rogas, 1 Abstineo and 6 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum passed



Item V - Senatusconsultum - "Senatus Consultum de Regendis Provinciis"

I. The SenatusConsultum of 11 March 2001 is hereby revoked. For all purposes of this text, the English word "governor" replaces the Latin terms "propraetor" or "proconsul". In the absence of the consuls,these instructions should be followed by the magistrate with the highest Imperium available granted by the Republic (such as the praetor, dictator or interrex).
II. At the beginning of their terms of office, but prior to the Ides of February, the consuls are asked to issue an edictum calling for the governors for the upcoming year. The consuls will be responsible for
setting the period during which applications will be taken in accordance with their planning of the Senate's agenda.
III. The term of a governor starts immediately after issuance of the Senate results of the approvals on the Main List. The term of a governor ends with that of a new governor for the province (or the
same, in case of prorogation ) or on the Ides (15th) of March, or whichever happens first. Any change before the term is the responsibility of the Senate.
IV. For provinces with a budget at their disposal, the Senate asks the consuls to choose one of the quaestors to help the governor in making jointly the report of expenses. The consuls shall take geographic and cultural patterns into account for making the assignment.
V. The Senate asks the consuls to not accept candidates that are not allowed by NR law to become governors. If a current governor fails to send the Senate the financial report of the province (if needed) by the time for calling of new governors, the Senate advises the consuls not to accept the name of this citizen for prorogation.

QSP - UTI ROGAS to all v
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
GEM: Uti Rogas.
TGP � Abstain
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS: Uti Rogas
CFD: Abstino.
PC: UTI ROGAS.
MMA -- YES;
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Abstineo
PMS �ABSTAIN
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM - ANTIQVO
While I under stand what this is suppose to say, it�s badly written and needs revision
TOPA: UTI ROGAS.
GFBM: Uti Rogas.
GPL :Uti Rogas
MBA: UTI ROGAS. I like this. It clears the way for more accurate titles.
DIPI: Abstineo
CCS: Uti rogas.
MIP: VTI ROGAS
ECF: Uti rogas
ATMC � ABSTAIN
LAF: VTI ROGAS, it makes things clearer
CFBQ: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour
MAM: Abstineo.
AMA: Uti Rogas
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to adopt this senatusconsultum.
ATS: Vt� rog�s, though not without some hesitation.
GEC: Uti Rogas

25 Uti Rogas, 7 Abstineo and 1 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum passed.



Item VI - Senatusconsultum - "De Aquila"

Senatus Consultum on the Aquila Newsletter.

The Senate authorizes the Editor Commentariorum, Ap. Galerius Aurelianus, to solicit subscriptions, in an amount determined by him but not exceeding $20.00USD per subscription for a printed Aquila
Newsletter." Individuals may if the like make donations in addition to taking out a subscription.

He is further authorized to solicit donations to off-set the costs of publishing the Aquila newsletter for the year L. Arminio Ti. Galerio cos. The number of copies, per issue, to be printed shall be
determined by the Editor Commentariorum, with the advice of his staff and advisors, based on the cost of production, delivery and the amount of money collected.

The Senate requires that 2/3 of the total cost of the newsletter be covered by direct subscriptions and / or donations. No more than 1/3 of the total cost will be covered by the Nova Roma treasury.

The Editor Commentariorum, Ap. Galerius Aurelianus, will also publish or cause to be published, a free web version of the Aquila newsletter. He shall do so in a manner determined by him


QSP - UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS. A printed newsletter is desperately needed for our credibility, else were are nothing more than a collection of mailing lists and web sites. We don't need yet another web site; we need a newsletter.
GEM: Uti Rogas, with the caution that the Editor Commentariorum must strive to cover all operating costs with paid subscription fees. The 1/3 amount specified in the text is an upper bound, and not something that he should consider 'money in the bank.'
TGP - VTI ROGAS
JSM: UTI ROGAS
LMS: Abstineo
CFD: Uti Rogas
PC: ANTIQUO. More needs to be known about the financial aspects of this move, and whether we have the volunteers available to do the work of producing, printing and mailing this Aquila.
MMA --YES; I had originally thought to disapprove of this issue because of the mention of allotting NR funding to support it. However, I agree with those who seek a more specific and detailed item signifying NR to the outside world. I believe this newsletter will help in this effort.
LECA - VTI ROGAS
LSA: Uti Rogas
PMS - ANTIQUO I believe we should be doing the audit first before awarding any monies, except for a strict emergency situation. Moreover, I would like to know a figure of how much is being requested of the Senate as opposed to a given percentage of the costs.
MMPH - UTI ROGAS
QFM � VTI ROGAS
TOPA: ANTIQUO. Put in an upper limit as to how much the third that Nova Roma is supposed to cover may be, otherwise I'm in support.
GFBM: Uti Rogas. However, I don't think our publications need take any money from our treasury. I believe they can be self-sufficient.
GPL :Uti Rogas
MBA: UTI ROGAS.
DIPI: Uti rogas. It will be good to see a hard copy of the Eagle again.
CCS: Antiquo.
MIP: ABSTINEO
ECF: Antiquo. A fixed sum would be more preferable.
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
LAF: ABSTINEO, I said once we should not approve anything without a detailed budget. I miss one on this case. Once, the Aquila budget administration was a disaster. So, for approve without doubt, It would be very suitable an detailed budget.
CFBQ: Antiquo
FAC: VTI ROGAS
CSA - I vote in favour
MAM: Abstineo.
AMA: Uti Rogas
SAS: Uti Rogas.
CMM - Vti rogas I vote to adopt this senatusconsultum.
ATS: Abstine�.
GEC: Uti Rogas

22 Uti Rogas, 5 Abstineo and 6 Antiquo: Senatusconsultum passed.

COMMENTS OF SENATORES
Item VII - Contio about 2/3

"Last year, the subject of the 2/3 of the Senate needed to approve a constitutional reform has been touched due to many doubts of interpretation. There was some division of opinions between the
magistrates. The question remained unsolved, and some senatores asked the current consuls to continue the subject.

There is currently two interpretations of the law, both with merits. According to the Historical procedures of Ancient Rome, and obeying the seniority of the conscript fathers, we invite all senatores to discuss the question,on the hope some light can be better brought to the subject. There is no voting, just a refreshment of the question.

One interpretation says the text of the Constitution means "2/3 of the entire Senate" means all citizens entitled to vote in the Senate.

The other means "2/3 of the entire Senate" means all voting senatores , ie, by "Senate" is recognized the senatores present to a voting.

So we invite the senatores to give their opinions during the voting.

We hope the fathers understand everything on the Republic can be accomplished with a powerful agreement, and we together can reach to a reasonable and republican approuch.

QSP - I would rather have a straight vote passed by numbers rather than the 2/3 formula. I think the 2/3 system could be stifling and frustrating, slowing things down; also, more often than not there are
always 5 or 6 senators who do not make the voting and that does not help at all.

MOG - The Constitution is broken. The author never foresaw a Senate with a high absentee rate. Either the Constitution needs to be fixed so that a 2/3rds majority of voting Senators (when a quorum is present) are sufficient, or we're going to have to start tossing people out of the Senate if we ever want to be able to make any changes.

GEM - The text of the Constitution is clear. 2/3 of all the persons enrolled in the Album Senatorium must vote in favor of a Constitutional Amendment for it to pass. I recommend that Censors M. Octavius Gracchus and C. Fabius Buteo Modianus exercise their constitutionally granted authority to remove inactive senators from the Album Senatorium as quickly as possible, in order to preserve the effectiveness of this Senate.

TGP Our constitution has clauses that are at times contradictorily. This is not one of those times. I believe that the only way one can interpret the constitution is to look at its plain language . "2/3 of the entire Senate" means "2/3 of the entire Senate"

JSM - The constitution should be modified only in extreme circumstances. A policy regarding absenteeism of senatores ought to be developed and rigorously applied.

LSM - I support a 2/3 of the voting senators. If there are people who doesn't care about what is under voting at any moment on the organization they belong to, and give no proxy or representation, they can be count as "mind absence" people. So only 2/3 of the people who really care and participate.

CFD: I prefer a historical argumentation. In ancient times many Senators were unable to be present in Senate sessions due to commitments overseas, in wars acting as officers, in diplomatic missions, as provincial magistrates. This means that our ancient forefathers had a Senate which was imho quite never complete. Today a simple network breakdown can cut more than one Senatr off communication, that�s comparable for me.
The 2/3 quorum can in my opinion only be counted from the Senators present at a specific session.

PC: I agree with the Constitution as currently written.

MMA (no vote) -- I do not agree that the Constitution is unclear on this question. It is quite clear to me, and the concern lies in two areas. The first, and most important one, to my thought, is the responsibility of the Senators so appointed. It is a significant honor to be elected to this office or to be appointed by one's peers. It also has a significant responsibility. If any Senator is not concerned about the responsibility he or she should be removed from that position. The second concern is the problem of communication methodology. Yahoo has not in the past proven to be so exact in their support that I should be willing to dismiss a Senator solely on the basis of Yahoo's message delivery record. Two items to consider in this question.

LECA - The Constitution stipulates 2/3 of the ENTIRE Senate must vote to ratify any change to it. It does not say anything other than that, not "of those who vote", not "minus those who abstain", et cetera.
There is only one *Honest* interpretation of the statement, "... such alterations to this Constitution must be ratified by a vote of two-thirds of the entire Senate before they shall take effect...", any less than 2/3's of the entire Senate voting to ratify is not enough to pass an amendment/change.
What should be done? Let the system work for once, BEFORE monkeying around with it.
Why is it that each new administration is in such a rush to make changes?
We've been through this drill many times the past years and I haven't honestly seen any changes that have made Nova Roma better, more complicated, but not better.

LSA - comment: It is my opinion that this provision of the Constitution should remain unaltered and should be understood to mean what it clearly says - that 2/3 of all the members of the Senate must approve a change to the Constitution. Senators not participating for an extended period of time should be removed by the Censors.

PMS - I do not see the ambiguity in current constitutional language itself...For years it has been unquestioned as meaning 2/3 of this entire senate , just as it reads. This 2/3 has shown to be attainable in the past when Senators have voted regularily. I, with other Senators, think it is time to tighten the criteria of participation for Senators to maintain their positions among this august body.

MMPH � No comments

QFM - This is a vote with no division possible. But for informative purposes it is very apparent that 2/3rds of the ENTIRE appointed SENATE must vote to ratify any change to this Constitution. Other wise it would read � THOSE SENATORS PRESENT� in the text.
So to make it official: VTI ROGAS to the interpetation that the vote must pass with 2/3rds of the entire Senate.
Not just those Senators present.

TOPA: UTI ROGAS - as I believe the phrase would have interpreted by the romans and how I believe it should be used. If it cannot be interpreted that way, I am for a constitutional amendment to the same effect.

GFBM: I agree with M. Octavius Gracchus in that there are problems in our constitution. There are also too many senators who don't vote. If someone is a senator and doesn't have the time or interest they need to let the Censores know about it so they can be removed. I think the constitution does indicate 2/3 of the whole senate, but I think this should be changed.

GPL : It seems to me the Constitution is very clear. A 2/3rds vote of the entire Senate is required.

MBA: After reviewing the constitution, I am of the belief that 2/3 of the entire Senate means just that. We, as Senators, need to be responsible and vote. I missed one vote at the beginning of last year and I still feel that I violated a trust that was given to me.

DIPI - (No vote required.) There is no ambiguity in the constitution on this matter. It clearly states votes of 2/3rds of the *entire* senate is required to pass a constitutional amendment, not 2/3rds of those voting.
This has never really been a problem before last year, so perhaps part of the issue was last year's leadership. In the past, if consuls were afraid of not getting enough votes, they would lobby senators privately and in the senate, saying why a vote was important and why a senator's vote was important and needed. They would lead.
As for high absenteeism of late, again it may be an issue of last year's leadership. It may also be due to the cheapening of the senate the year before that, when 11 or 12 people were added (increasing our numbers by about 1/3) to the senate in one year by the censores. That stacking of the senate made it much more difficult to add worthy people to the senate in following years because of the required senator to assidui ratio. It made the title of senator mean less and may have encouraged people to stay away from this chamber more than they would have.

CCS - Uti rogas. Senator Pius has already pointed out same comments I intended to.

MIP: VTI ROGAS

ECF: Uti rogas.

ATMC � No comments

LAF: Since the ancient roman senatores never ever counted missing senatores, I believe the constitution means 2/3 of the voting senatores. Anyway, I urge the Senate to consider even more �draconian� measures to keep citizens on the album Senatorium.

CFBQ - o change he Constitution to only include the voting Senatores in the 2/3 is both historical and practical. Although I encourage the Censores to get rid of Senatores who haven't voted for three times in a row, without asking for leave or having medical reasons.

FAC: No comments

CSA - Any "2/3 formula" will necessarily be historically inaccurate. I'd advocate for getting rid of this modernism altogether.

MAM: Abstineo.

AMA: I agree with the constitution as it is currently written, that 2/3 of all the persons enrolled in the Album Senatorium must vote.

SAS: Any such formula will not be accurate historically.

CMM - For the purpose of constitutional amendment only, the quorum should in my opinion remain 2/3 of the entire senate, not only of senators casting votes in session. To amend the constitution should be a rarity, and therefore, provisions aren't needed to facilitate it. For all other business, a simple majority of votes cast, discarding "abstineo", should determine the outcome. In this way, the senate can move forward while preserving the structure of Nova Roma's institutions.

ATS: For what it is worth, I cannot see how we can fail to interpret this as meaning two-thirds of all members considered part of the senate. Clearly, however, if paralysis is a problem because too few of the enrolled members vote, some pruning of inactive members should be done. Perhaps there could be sen�t�r�s �merit� who would not count toward the total.

GEC: I believe the lex Constitutiva should be left as it is.

Valete

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
NOVA ROMA

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SALVE !

I will help with the wiki page.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

Bob Johnson <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
C Marcius Crispus Equitie Marine omnibusque SPD

Thank you for your reply.

It would be good if enough of us brits could get together to get the website at http://www.britannia-provincia.co.uk working, with at least some information in it.

Any helpers?

Vale et valete omnes
Caius Marcius Crispus

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,

C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...> writes:

> Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
> Province, both then and since this time?

Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six years.
It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus, who I
imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who built a
beautiful website and became governor and then a senator. Unfortunately for
all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not been
especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall during the
summer of 2006.

We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from time to time.
Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
Wall?

Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're just
being quiet right now.

Vale, et valete,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

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Salve Sabine!

Many thanks for your k9ind offer.

I shall keep all these offers until I am sure that I will have no objections to trying to put something together. I shall be most grateful to you all.

Vale optime!

iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
SALVE !

I will help with the wiki page.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

Bob Johnson <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
C Marcius Crispus Equitie Marine omnibusque SPD

Thank you for your reply.

It would be good if enough of us brits could get together to get the website at http://www.britannia-provincia.co.uk working, with at least some information in it.

Any helpers?

Vale et valete omnes
Caius Marcius Crispus

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,

C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...> writes:

> Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
> Province, both then and since this time?

Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six years.
It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus, who I
imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who built a
beautiful website and became governor and then a senator. Unfortunately for
all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not been
especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall during the
summer of 2006.

We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from time to time.
Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
Wall?

Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're just
being quiet right now.

Vale, et valete,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

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L. Iunius Bassus omnibus aliis civibus Californianis Novae Romae s.d.

As you may have noticed, our Conscript Fathers, in their wisdom, have decided that the time
has come for a change of leadership for our provincia. If you are a Nova Roman citizen
residing in California, Nevada, or Hawaii, and you think you have what it takes to breath life
into this very important province of ours, please consider putting your name forward for the
Propraetura. We need a dedicated person with innovative ideas for citizen recruitment and
retention, and the creation of a vivid provincial community.

Also, if you have not yet joined the CaliforniaNovaRoma Yahoo! Group, please do so. A new
leader alone will not solve the problems of this province. We need an active and involved
citizenry--the very fabric of any Republic.

Valete bene!

Salve Gaius Marcius Crispus

"try to bring we citizens together as a group and work to
restore the Province."

Province of Britannica is one our best and most active provinces.
It hosted the Conventus at Hadrians wall last summer and is home to
some of our best and brightest citizens.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Johnson<mailto:jbshr1pwa@...>
To: Nova Roma<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:35 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The cries of the Britons


C Marcius Crispus omnibus SPD

I read with interest the history of events in 2001, which included a reference to the entire Province of Britannica breaking with Nova Roma.

Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the Province, both then and since this time?

As a new citizen, one of the first things I did was to look for the relevant page, expecting to find information about my own Province, merely to discover absolutely nothing. I am sure other Britons will have been similarly disappointed.

There are surely a number of citizens, including some newly-admitted ones, who are Britons, and I wonder what can be done to try to bring we citizens together as a group and work to restore the Province. Could anyone out there suggest what we should do, and help us make a start? Perhaps Nova Roma could help its british citizens play more of a role as a Province of the Res Publica.

Any information or suggestions would be most gratefully received.

And would any other Brits be interested in getting a team together to do whatever is necessary to reconstitute the Province? If so, please lets get together.


Valete optime!

Gaius Marcius Crispus

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Agricola Crispo sal.

Well, nobody would mind if you get a lot of stubby pages started in
the wiki. Take a look at http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Italia
or http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Dacia_%28Nova_Roma%29 for
examples. There are templates in use there to ease the job. You could
even dig around in the Wayback Machine and try to pull up some of the
expired pages for background content.

Optime vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bob Johnson <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
>
> Crispus Marcella sal
>
> Thanks very much for the offer.
>
> Obviously I don't want to start anything until I have some
backing, and chief of all I don't want to tread on any toes of those
who may hold office in this Province (do they?) but help wiould be
welcome.
>
> Optime vale!
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Well I'm not a brit, but I can help out with a website if you'd
like. I currently host about half a dozen websites including my gens
website here: http://minucia.ciarin.com/
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Johnson
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The cries of the Britons
>
> C Marcius Crispus Equitie Marine omnibusque SPD
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> It would be good if enough of us brits could get together to get the
website at http://www.britannia-provincia.co.uk working, with at least
some information in it.
>
> Any helpers?
>
> Vale et valete omnes
> Caius Marcius Crispus
>
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
> Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,
>
> C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...> writes:
>
> > Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
> > Province, both then and since this time?
>
> Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six
years.
> It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus,
who I
> imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who
built a
> beautiful website and became governor and then a senator.
Unfortunately for
> all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not
been
> especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall
during the
> summer of 2006.
>
> We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from
time to time.
> Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
> Wall?
>
> Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're
just
> being quiet right now.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN.EQVIT.MARINVS
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete omnes,

Here is a great comprehensive site all about Roman Britain I got thanks
to Robert on the Imperial Rome 2 list. Over 1500 pages of good stuff
from what I can see:


http://www.roman-britain.org/


Enjoy and bookmark!

QSP

SALVETE !

Good link. I saw there, two years ago, references about the Cohors I Aelia Dacorum
and we discussed in the provincial list about that.
If the novi romani from Dacia are interested the page is at this address :
http://www.roman-britain.org/military/coh1dac.htm

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

"Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:
Salvete omnes,

Here is a great comprehensive site all about Roman Britain I got thanks
to Robert on the Imperial Rome 2 list. Over 1500 pages of good stuff
from what I can see:

http://www.roman-britain.org/

Enjoy and bookmark!

QSP







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Salvete

In the call to the Senate made by Consul Faustus to appoint interpretes and governors there are two mistakes: the person who has been appointed interpreter of French is not named Titus Octavius Avitus but Tiberius Octavius Avitus and the person appointed propraetor of Hispania is not named Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius but Lucius Minicius Sceptius. This mistake does not affect to the result of the votings and the appointments.


Valete

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

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Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Tribunus Plebis onmes civibus S.P.D.

At 23.59 CET of 31 Jan (before Midnight at Rome, 6:00 PM EDT, or 3:00 PM PDT) we have close the time to receive the declarations of candidacy for the offices of Tribunus Plebis (1 position available) ans Aedillis Plebeius (1 position available).

At this time we have received only two declarations of candidacy for the office of Tribunus Plebis and and no declaration of candidacy for the position of Aedilis Plebeius.

The candidates for the office of Tribunus Plebis are:

- Marca Hortensia Maior
- Flavius Galerius Aurelianus


The cista will be open in Feb. 18 at 00.00 CET, the first day Comitialis after Jan 31st, (a.d. XII Kal. Mar) and will be closed in Feb 28th, (pr. Kal. Mar.).

Valete bene

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
NOVA ROMA



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>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Marcio Crispo Cn. Equitio Marino quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,
>
> C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...
> <mailto:jbshr1pwa%40btinternet.com> > writes:
>
>> > Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
>> > Province, both then and since this time?
>
> Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six years.
> It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus, who I
> imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who built a
> beautiful website and became governor and then a senator. Unfortunately for
> all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not been
> especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall during the
> summer of 2006.
>
> ATS: C. Livia is studying for her PhD in linguistics, and A. Apollonius
> Cordus is in a second, one-year intensive law course. Both are minimally
> involved in NR at present.
>
> We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from time to time.
>
> ATS: There¹s Aureliana...and Avitus, who, however, is occupied with other
> matters, such as teaching Latin.
>
> Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
> Wall?
>
> ATS: I don¹t theenk so. We all had a WONDERFUL time. Aureliana and
> Cordus did an excellent job of planning the Conventus, and even Nature
> cooperated by providing nice, sunny weather. The bad part was that Astur and
> I got treated to terror alert central at Heathrow (or wherever his point of
> departure was). Everyone else seems to have gotten out ahead of that.
>
> I think we should point out to Crispus that not all British citizens left
> Nova Roma at that time; some simply chose to do so, and formed another
> organization. At least one prominent member has returned to us.
>
> Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're just
> being quiet right now.
>
> ATS: Yes, that is true. Even last year, Cordus was able to pop in more
> often than he seems to be able to do this year. Give it time.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN•EQVIT•MARINVS
>

Valéte,

A. Tullia Scholastica



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Salvete omnes,

As a Plebeian Aedile this year, I'm asking citizens to volunteer to
work in my cohors. There are several openings for assistants, and the
final division of duties depends on the staff itself, but to give
some idea, here is what I need:

-graphic designer for web
-illustrator, a person who can draw either by hand or with
illustration software
-Flash-wizard, a person who can realise projects using Macromedia
Flash software
-copywriter, a person who can produce English texts for Ludi and website
-html-person, for building and upkeeping of the website
-researcher, a person who can do historical research about the ludi

One person might of course be able to fit in into several of those
competence-areas, and once I have had some answers from interested
citizens (or non-citizens), the final division of the duties for the
team is set.

If you yourself don't fall into any of those categories above, but
would nevertheless to be part of the team, write to me and let's see
if there is a job for you in my cohors! Or if you know someone who
might be interested of these kinds of work, let him/her know about my
call for assistants and ask him/her to contact me.

Valete,

C. Curius Saturninus

Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751





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Gaius Marcius Crispus T Galerio Paulino Omnibusque sal

My problem is that it doesn't seem very active or even visible at present as far as I have seen. And this has been disappointing.

There is no website for the Province, I would have hoped to have been welcomed as a new member of the Province, asked how I could contribute, encouraged to get involved, be aware of who were members and where they are located, find a Provincial forum, be encouraged when the lists open to pay taxes, and so on.

I now, for the first time and thanks to Scholastica, have a name, but it would have been so much easier if the names and contacts were all available on a Provincial website.

I shall wait and see.

Vale et valete

Gaius Marcius Crispus

Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
Salve Gaius Marcius Crispus

"try to bring we citizens together as a group and work to
restore the Province."

Province of Britannica is one our best and most active provinces.
It hosted the Conventus at Hadrians wall last summer and is home to
some of our best and brightest citizens.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Johnson<mailto:jbshr1pwa@...>
To: Nova Roma<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:35 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The cries of the Britons

C Marcius Crispus omnibus SPD

I read with interest the history of events in 2001, which included a reference to the entire Province of Britannica breaking with Nova Roma.

Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the Province, both then and since this time?

As a new citizen, one of the first things I did was to look for the relevant page, expecting to find information about my own Province, merely to discover absolutely nothing. I am sure other Britons will have been similarly disappointed.

There are surely a number of citizens, including some newly-admitted ones, who are Britons, and I wonder what can be done to try to bring we citizens together as a group and work to restore the Province. Could anyone out there suggest what we should do, and help us make a start? Perhaps Nova Roma could help its british citizens play more of a role as a Province of the Res Publica.

Any information or suggestions would be most gratefully received.

And would any other Brits be interested in getting a team together to do whatever is necessary to reconstitute the Province? If so, please lets get together.

Valete optime!

Gaius Marcius Crispus

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Gaius Marcius Crispus A. Tullia Scholastica Omnibusque S.P.D.

Salve Scholastica et salvete omnes

I am grateful for your information and thank you for taking the time to reply.

I do appreciate how little time can be available to students. I was once one myself (BA(Hons) Lampeter) forty years ago. I would suggest that, if time is a problem, the answer is delegation, delegation, delegation.

I am simply saying that we do need to welcome and involve new citizens within the Province, and that without any way of knowing who are citizens and who does what, we miss the opportunity to make steady and continued progress.

I am sure my fellow Brits would be more involved if we were asked to help in some way. Then we would indeed appear to the rest of Nova Roma to be an active and progressive Province.

Vale optime et valete omnes.

C Marcius Crispus .


"A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> wrote:

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Marcio Crispo Cn. Equitio Marino quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,
>
> C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...
> <mailto:jbshr1pwa%40btinternet.com> > writes:
>
>> > Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
>> > Province, both then and since this time?
>
> Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six years.
> It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus, who I
> imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who built a
> beautiful website and became governor and then a senator. Unfortunately for
> all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not been
> especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall during the
> summer of 2006.
>
> ATS: C. Livia is studying for her PhD in linguistics, and A. Apollonius
> Cordus is in a second, one-year intensive law course. Both are minimally
> involved in NR at present.
>
> We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from time to time.
>
> ATS: There¹s Aureliana...and Avitus, who, however, is occupied with other
> matters, such as teaching Latin.
>
> Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
> Wall?
>
> ATS: I don¹t theenk so. We all had a WONDERFUL time. Aureliana and
> Cordus did an excellent job of planning the Conventus, and even Nature
> cooperated by providing nice, sunny weather. The bad part was that Astur and
> I got treated to terror alert central at Heathrow (or wherever his point of
> departure was). Everyone else seems to have gotten out ahead of that.
>
> I think we should point out to Crispus that not all British citizens left
> Nova Roma at that time; some simply chose to do so, and formed another
> organization. At least one prominent member has returned to us.
>
> Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're just
> being quiet right now.
>
> ATS: Yes, that is true. Even last year, Cordus was able to pop in more
> often than he seems to be able to do this year. Give it time.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN•EQVIT•MARINVS
>

Valéte,

A. Tullia Scholastica

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Crispus Agricola sal

That is very helpful. Thank you so much.

Vale optime!

C Marcius Crispus

"M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...> wrote:
Agricola Crispo sal.

Well, nobody would mind if you get a lot of stubby pages started in
the wiki. Take a look at http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Italia
or http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Dacia_%28Nova_Roma%29 for
examples. There are templates in use there to ease the job. You could
even dig around in the Wayback Machine and try to pull up some of the
expired pages for background content.

Optime vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bob Johnson <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
>
> Crispus Marcella sal
>
> Thanks very much for the offer.
>
> Obviously I don't want to start anything until I have some
backing, and chief of all I don't want to tread on any toes of those
who may hold office in this Province (do they?) but help wiould be
welcome.
>
> Optime vale!
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Well I'm not a brit, but I can help out with a website if you'd
like. I currently host about half a dozen websites including my gens
website here: http://minucia.ciarin.com/
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Johnson
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The cries of the Britons
>
> C Marcius Crispus Equitie Marine omnibusque SPD
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> It would be good if enough of us brits could get together to get the
website at http://www.britannia-provincia.co.uk working, with at least
some information in it.
>
> Any helpers?
>
> Vale et valete omnes
> Caius Marcius Crispus
>
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
> Salve Gai Marci, et salvete omnes,
>
> C Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...> writes:
>
> > Can anyone please supply more information about this as regards the
> > Province, both then and since this time?
>
> Britannia has had an on-again, off-again situation in the last six
years.
> It's two most active citizens for a while were A. Apollonius Cordus,
who I
> imagine will eventually respond to your question, and G. Livia who
built a
> beautiful website and became governor and then a senator.
Unfortunately for
> all, graduate school seems to have eaten both of them. They have not
been
> especially active since the Nova Roma conventus at Hadrian's Wall
during the
> summer of 2006.
>
> We do have a few other britons who poke their noses in here from
time to time.
> Perhaps they're all still recovering from their experiences at Hadrian's
> Wall?
>
> Anyhow Crispe, your countrymen are represented in Nova Roma. They're
just
> being quiet right now.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN.EQVIT.MARINVS
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem IV Nonas Februarius; haec dies nefastus aterque est.


"After the death of Numa Pompilius the senate, being once more in full
control of the commonwealth, resolved to abide by the same form of
government, and as the people did not adopt any contrary opinion, they
appointed some of the older senators to govern as interreges for a
definite number of days. These men, pursuant to the unanimous desire
of the people, chose as king Tullus Hostilius, whose descent was as
follows. From Medullia, a city which had been built by the Albans and
made a Roman colony by Romulus after he had taken it by capitulation,
a man of distinguished birth and great fortune, named Hostilius, had
removed to Rome and married a woman of the Sabine race, the daughter
of Hersilius, the same woman who had advised her country-women to go
as envoys to their fathers on behalf of their husbands at the time
when the Sabines were making war against the Romans, and was regarded
as the person chiefly responsible for the alliance then concluded by
the leaders of the two nations. This man, after taking part with
Romulus in many wars and performing mighty deeds in the battles with
the Sabines, died, leaving an only son, a young child at the time, and
was buried by the kings in the principal part of the Forum and
honoured with a monument and an inscription testifying to his valour.
His only son, having come to manhood and married a woman of
distinction, had by her Tullius Hostilius, a man of action, the same
who was now chosen king by a vote passed by the citizens concerning
him according to the laws; and the decision of the people was
confirmed by favourable omens from Heaven. The year in which he
assumed the sovereignty was the second of the twenty-seventh Olympiad,
the one in which Eurybates, an Athenian, won the prize in the
foot-race, Leostratus being archon at Athens. Tullus, immediately
upon his accession, gained the hearts of all the labouring class and
of the needy among the populace by performing an act of the most
splendid kind. It was this: The kings before him had possessed much
fertile land, especially reserved for them, from the revenues of which
they not only offered sacrifices to the gods, but also had abundant
provision for their private needs. This land Romulus had acquired in
war by dispossessing the former owners, and when he died childless,
Numa Pompilius, his successor, had enjoyed its use; it was no longer
the property of the state, but the inherited possession of the
successive kings. Tullus now permitted this land to be divided
equally among such of the Romans as had no allotment, declaring that
his own patrimony was sufficient both for the sacrifices and for his
personal expenditures. By this act of humanity he relieved the poor
among the citizens by freeing them from the necessity of labouring as
serfs on the estates of others. And, to the end that none might lack a
habitation either, he included within the city wall the hill called
the Caelian, where those Romans who were unprovided with dwellings
were allotted a sufficient amount of ground and built houses; and he
himself had his residence in this quarter. These, then, are the
memorable actions reported of this king so far as regards his civil
administration." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 3.1


Today is celebrated as Groundhog Day in the U.S. Punxsutawney Phil, a
groundhog, is the official arbiter of when winter will end; he
annually makes an appearance to forecast whether there are six more
weeks of winter or if spring is just around the corner. For more
information, see this website:

http://www.groundhog.org


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus

Agricola Omnibus sal.

A photo at last of some of what was dug up recently on the Palatine.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C13509-2575075%2C00.html

Optime valete!

Salvete,

I'm afraid I have to take a critical stand in this issue. I think
this very policy is the reason why there has been diminishing
interest from our citizens to participate and be active. It's like
pouring a bucket of cold water on new enthusiastic and unsure
prospective citizen, that we ask him/her to take a test.

Should this kind of system kept, I'd suggest having it modified in a
way that there isn't such negative message in the first place given
to them. For example to create an atmosphere that encourages to learn
rather than says that one must take a test a full citizens. Or
somehow make the citizenship to be appreaciated as a long term goal,
something that everyone approaches in his own speed and eventually
reaches when is ready. A kind of gradual transition to citizenship
instead of once-and-for-all test, as every normal person is afraid of
tests or at least not comfortable about them in the outset.

I'm sensitive on the workload of censores and other magistrates that
those who might not apply citizenship with 100% commitment cause, but
I would like the process to be developed into somehow friendlier and
more welcoming. I'm sure there are several ways how that can be done
while keeping the magistrate workload reasonable.

Valete,

On 30.1.2007, at 15:36, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> 2. Some numbers to contemplate
> Posted by: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" gawne@...
> equitius_marinus
> Date: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:07 am ((PST))
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> Back at the beginning of 2005 we instituted a new policy of
> requiring a 90 day
> probationary period and a written citizenship test in order to cut
> down on the
> number of casual citizenships. Looking at the numbers for the
> first year of
> the effort, from 1 Jan 2005 to 1 Jan 2006, we see this:
>
> 1299 Applications
> 237 'Active' status citizens who joined NR during the year 2005.
> 51 Assidui (tax paying) citizens among those 237 active
>
> I can't provide similar numbers for 2006 yet, because we won't be
> able to
> close the books on 2006 until March.
>
> Looking at those numbers, the conclusions I draw are:
>
> -- The probationary period works as intended. Over 1000 casual
> applicants
> never become full citizens. Roughly 4 of 5 applicants didn't
> complete the
> process to become full citizens.
>
> -- The overall probability of an active citizen becoming a tax
> payer didn't
> change appreciably under the new system. Nova Roma currently has
> 1044 active
> citizens, of whom about 250 paid taxes last year.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

C. Curius Saturninus

Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

SALVETE !

A few photos from the Vasto meeting in Italy :
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/vasto.htm

My special thanks to:
- Pomerium - for the excellent organization of the event, especially
to Franciscus Apulus Caesar.
- Iulius Perusianus - who come there with a day before the official
meeting to join us at Montecarlo Hotel.
- Aurelius Vindex - for his dedication
- Quirinus Sulla - for photos.
- Italian Novi Romani - for their friendship.
- Vasto and Chieti municipality's representatives and museums
guides - for their involvement to promote the Italian historical and
cultural heritage.
- my fellows Novi Romani from Dacia – for participation.

I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
Pacis in Rome.
You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.

I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
Pacis in Rome.
You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Salve amice,

Wow, am I impressed! Thank you for sharing the photos with us. Not
only are the settings and scenery beautiful but it is nice to see the
faces of our citizens as well! You all kook just great and I feel
sorry I wasn't there for the gathering. Still, this should be an
inspiration to all of us as to what can be done on local levels.

Regards,

QSP






--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
<iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

>
> SALVETE !
>
> A few photos from the Vasto meeting in Italy :
> http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/vasto.htm
>
> My special thanks to:
> - Pomerium - for the excellent organization of the event,

especially

> to Franciscus Apulus Caesar.
> - Iulius Perusianus - who come there with a day before the official
> meeting to join us at Montecarlo Hotel.
> - Aurelius Vindex - for his dedication
> - Quirinus Sulla - for photos.
> - Italian Novi Romani - for their friendship.
> - Vasto and Chieti municipality's representatives and museums
> guides - for their involvement to promote the Italian historical

and

> cultural heritage.
> - my fellows Novi Romani from Dacia – for participation.
>
> I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
> Pacis in Rome.
> You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.
>
> I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
> Pacis in Rome.
> You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>

LOL,

Sorry, I was up all night - should say you all look just great!

QSP



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
(Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

>
> Salve amice,
>
> Wow, am I impressed! Thank you for sharing the photos with us. Not
> only are the settings and scenery beautiful but it is nice to see

the

> faces of our citizens as well! You all kook just great and I feel
> sorry I wasn't there for the gathering. Still, this should be an
> inspiration to all of us as to what can be done on local levels.
>
> Regards,
>
> QSP
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
> <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:
> >
> > SALVETE !
> >
> > A few photos from the Vasto meeting in Italy :
> > http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/vasto.htm
> >
> > My special thanks to:
> > - Pomerium - for the excellent organization of the event,
> especially
> > to Franciscus Apulus Caesar.
> > - Iulius Perusianus - who come there with a day before the

official

> > meeting to join us at Montecarlo Hotel.
> > - Aurelius Vindex - for his dedication
> > - Quirinus Sulla - for photos.
> > - Italian Novi Romani - for their friendship.
> > - Vasto and Chieti municipality's representatives and museums
> > guides - for their involvement to promote the Italian historical
> and
> > cultural heritage.
> > - my fellows Novi Romani from Dacia – for participation.
> >
> > I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and

Ara

> > Pacis in Rome.
> > You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.
> >
> > I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and

Ara

> > Pacis in Rome.
> > You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.
> >
> > VALETE,
> > IVL SABINVS
> >
>

Ave IUL SABINUS,

Thank you very much.
I hope to see you and the Dacicus Nova Romani Citizens
in May.

Optime Vale
Gaius Aurelius Vindex




-------Messaggio originale-------

Da: Titus Iulius Sabinus
Data: 02/02/07 13:30:25
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Conventus Vastensis - photos.

SALVETE !

A few photos from the Vasto meeting in Italy :
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/vasto.htm

My special thanks to:
- Pomerium - for the excellent organization of the event, especially
to Franciscus Apulus Caesar.
- Iulius Perusianus - who come there with a day before the official
meeting to join us at Montecarlo Hotel.
- Aurelius Vindex - for his dedication
- Quirinus Sulla - for photos.
- Italian Novi Romani - for their friendship.
- Vasto and Chieti municipality's representatives and museums
guides - for their involvement to promote the Italian historical and
cultural heritage.
- my fellows Novi Romani from Dacia – for participation.

I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
Pacis in Rome.
You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.

I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
Pacis in Rome.
You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS





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Agricola Saturnino sal.

I think that the "New Roman" group is working pretty well to help new
people have a more positive experience.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newroman/

optime vale!



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C. Curius Saturninus"
<c.curius@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete,
>
> I'm afraid I have to take a critical stand in this issue. I think
> this very policy is the reason why there has been diminishing
> interest from our citizens to participate and be active. It's like
> pouring a bucket of cold water on new enthusiastic and unsure
> prospective citizen, that we ask him/her to take a test.
>
> Should this kind of system kept, I'd suggest having it modified in a
> way that there isn't such negative message in the first place given
> to them. For example to create an atmosphere that encourages to learn
> rather than says that one must take a test a full citizens. Or
> somehow make the citizenship to be appreaciated as a long term goal,
> something that everyone approaches in his own speed and eventually
> reaches when is ready. A kind of gradual transition to citizenship
> instead of once-and-for-all test, as every normal person is afraid of
> tests or at least not comfortable about them in the outset.
>
> I'm sensitive on the workload of censores and other magistrates that
> those who might not apply citizenship with 100% commitment cause, but
> I would like the process to be developed into somehow friendlier and
> more welcoming. I'm sure there are several ways how that can be done
> while keeping the magistrate workload reasonable.
>
> Valete,
>
>
>
> On 30.1.2007, at 15:36, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> > 2. Some numbers to contemplate
> > Posted by: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" gawne@...
> > equitius_marinus
> > Date: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:07 am ((PST))
> >
> > Salvete Quirites,
> >
> > Back at the beginning of 2005 we instituted a new policy of
> > requiring a 90 day
> > probationary period and a written citizenship test in order to cut
> > down on the
> > number of casual citizenships. Looking at the numbers for the
> > first year of
> > the effort, from 1 Jan 2005 to 1 Jan 2006, we see this:
> >
> > 1299 Applications
> > 237 'Active' status citizens who joined NR during the year 2005.
> > 51 Assidui (tax paying) citizens among those 237 active
> >
> > I can't provide similar numbers for 2006 yet, because we won't be
> > able to
> > close the books on 2006 until March.
> >
> > Looking at those numbers, the conclusions I draw are:
> >
> > -- The probationary period works as intended. Over 1000 casual
> > applicants
> > never become full citizens. Roughly 4 of 5 applicants didn't
> > complete the
> > process to become full citizens.
> >
> > -- The overall probability of an active citizen becoming a tax
> > payer didn't
> > change appreciably under the new system. Nova Roma currently has
> > 1044 active
> > citizens, of whom about 250 paid taxes last year.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > CN•EQVIT•MARINVS
>
> C. Curius Saturninus
>
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751
>

Agricola Sabino sal.

It is good to hear that the Ara Pacis is open again. It was all fenced
in by construction when I was there and nobody could say when it would
finish.

Optime vale!


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
<iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

>
> SALVETE !
>
> A few photos from the Vasto meeting in Italy :
> http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/vasto.htm
>
> My special thanks to:
> - Pomerium - for the excellent organization of the event, especially
> to Franciscus Apulus Caesar.
> - Iulius Perusianus - who come there with a day before the official
> meeting to join us at Montecarlo Hotel.
> - Aurelius Vindex - for his dedication
> - Quirinus Sulla - for photos.
> - Italian Novi Romani - for their friendship.
> - Vasto and Chieti municipality's representatives and museums
> guides - for their involvement to promote the Italian historical and
> cultural heritage.
> - my fellows Novi Romani from Dacia – for participation.
>
> I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
> Pacis in Rome.
> You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.
>
> I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
> Pacis in Rome.
> You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>

SALVETE,
my name is Andreas Lachmann and I'm a roman re-enactor and living historian
from Brisbane,Australia.
I've only joined Nova Roma recently as a probationary member ,and this is my
first post on this forum.
Last week somebody,the name escapes me I'm sorry to say,posted some
information about roman music by SYNAVLIA.As a result I ended up downloading
both their cd's (at i-Tunes )just in time for our CASTORI,POLLVCI AD FORVM
feast last weekend.
While we all enjoyed the music and the way it enhanced our night,we were
left wondering on what research the music is based.Can anybody help in that
regard?It would be much appreciated.
Last but not least ,I would like to take this opportunity to thank CATO for
his marvelous daily contributions.
VALETE,D.ARM.BRVTVS

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Salve Cai Curi,

"C. Curius Saturninus" <c.curius@...> writes:

> Salvete,
>
> I'm afraid I have to take a critical stand in this issue. I think
> this very policy is the reason why there has been diminishing
> interest from our citizens to participate and be active.

I think there's no evidence to support this. The test is quite basic,
consisting of 12 multiple choice questions chosen from a bank of 100.

Why in the world do you think it diminishes interest? We have provisional
citizens getting interested all the time. Come over to the newroman mailing
list and look.

Vale,


CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Salvete

I agree with Gn. Marino. The test and porbationary period are really a
bare minimum intended to screen out people who have no real interest
and to insure those who do become cives have a basic understanding of
things Roman and Nova Roman.

I believe it has been a great step forward.

Valete,

G. Popillius Laenas

Salve Sabine,

Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> writes:

> SALVETE !
>
> A few photos from the Vasto meeting in Italy :
> http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/vasto.htm

Those are great! I wish I could have been there with you all.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Salvete,

Don't be nervous about the test. I wrote it earlier in the month, and
though a little nervous about what it may entail, I tell you with
confidence, don't be nervous. This step towards citizenship is important,
precisely for the reason G. Popillius Laenas stipulates, and should be
something to look forward to, as a challenge. It is a simplistic way to
demonstrate your knowledge of Roman history and society. Accept the
challenge and move on to bigger and better things afterwards. I look
forward to seeing you announce your full citizenship.

Di vos incolumes custodiant,

D�AEMILIVS�SEVERVS

> >Salvete
> >
> >I agree with Gn. Marino. The test and porbationary period are really a
> >bare minimum intended to screen out people who have no real interest
> >and to insure those who do become cives have a basic understanding of
> >things Roman and Nova Roman.
> >
> >I believe it has been a great step forward.
> >
> >Valete,
> >
> >G. Popillius Laenas
> >
>
>
>

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Salve!

Thanks for share the pics and let this NR citizen remember his trip to the
"Eternal City". I think the time to make some saves and buy a trip fom
Mexico to Rome in june or september has come.

Di te incolumem custodiant
CAIVS IVLIUS ADVENTOR

On 2/2/07, Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVETE !
>
> A few photos from the Vasto meeting in Italy :
> http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/vasto.htm
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>


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O.K., I am an idiot. Read the replies but not the original post, except the
parts included in the responses. I must apologize to C. Curius Saturninus.
Lesson learned.

D�AEMILIVS�SEVERVS

On 2/2/07, D. Aemilus Severus <daemilivssevervs@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> Don't be nervous about the test. I wrote it earlier in the month, and
> though a little nervous about what it may entail, I tell you with
> confidence, don't be nervous. This step towards citizenship is important,
> precisely for the reason G. Popillius Laenas stipulates, and should be
> something to look forward to, as a challenge. It is a simplistic way to
> demonstrate your knowledge of Roman history and society. Accept the
> challenge and move on to bigger and better things afterwards. I look
> forward to seeing you announce your full citizenship.
>
> Di vos incolumes custodiant,
>
> D�AEMILIVS�SEVERVS
>
>
>
> > >Salvete
> > >
> > >I agree with Gn. Marino. The test and porbationary period are really a
> > >bare minimum intended to screen out people who have no real interest
> > >and to insure those who do become cives have a basic understanding of
> > >things Roman and Nova Roman.
> > >
> > >I believe it has been a great step forward.
> > >
> > >Valete,
> > >
> > >G. Popillius Laenas
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>


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SALVE OPTIME AURELI VINDEX !

There is any doubt about that. We wait you !

We, the NR Dacians, thank you for your ospitality.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS



Gaius Aurelius Vindex <g_a_vindex@...> wrote:
Ave IUL SABINUS,

Thank you very much.
I hope to see you and the Dacicus Nova Romani Citizens
in May.

Optime Vale
Gaius Aurelius Vindex




-------Messaggio originale-------

Da: Titus Iulius Sabinus
Data: 02/02/07 13:30:25
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Conventus Vastensis - photos.

SALVETE !

A few photos from the Vasto meeting in Italy :
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/vasto.htm

My special thanks to:
- Pomerium - for the excellent organization of the event, especially
to Franciscus Apulus Caesar.
- Iulius Perusianus - who come there with a day before the official
meeting to join us at Montecarlo Hotel.
- Aurelius Vindex - for his dedication
- Quirinus Sulla - for photos.
- Italian Novi Romani - for their friendship.
- Vasto and Chieti municipality's representatives and museums
guides - for their involvement to promote the Italian historical and
cultural heritage.
- my fellows Novi Romani from Dacia – for participation.

I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
Pacis in Rome.
You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.

I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
Pacis in Rome.
You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS





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"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius





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SALVE AMICE !

I'm sorry because I don't have photos. My camera was to my wife and she wasn't with me there.

The Augustus Mausoleum is still in restoration. I saw how the restaurateurs work to it.
The exposition from basement is open, too. I was delighted to see there the models with the explanation of the Augustus family members and an interesting explanation of the floral motives from bas-reliefs. I can add the Tellus bas-relief and scenes with sacrifices.
BTW, the Curia was open for the visitors, too. In 2005 when we took a photo in front of it, wasnÂ’t.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

"M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...> wrote:
Agricola Sabino sal.

It is good to hear that the Ara Pacis is open again. It was all fenced
in by construction when I was there and nobody could say when it would
finish.

Optime vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
<iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

>
> SALVETE !
>
> A few photos from the Vasto meeting in Italy :
> http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/vasto.htm
>
> My special thanks to:
> - Pomerium - for the excellent organization of the event, especially
> to Franciscus Apulus Caesar.
> - Iulius Perusianus - who come there with a day before the official
> meeting to join us at Montecarlo Hotel.
> - Aurelius Vindex - for his dedication
> - Quirinus Sulla - for photos.
> - Italian Novi Romani - for their friendship.
> - Vasto and Chieti municipality's representatives and museums
> guides - for their involvement to promote the Italian historical and
> cultural heritage.
> - my fellows Novi Romani from Dacia – for participation.
>
> I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
> Pacis in Rome.
> You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.
>
> I was impressed by the Capestrano Warrior statue in Chieti and Ara
> Pacis in Rome.
> You can find inside the page, links to visited areas and places.
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>

"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius





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Salve, Andreas

I have an official CD of Synaulia that brings an extensive text in german, which unfortunately I cannot understand.

Vale
Appius Iulius Priscus

Andreas Lachmann <pagermanicvs@...> wrote:
SALVETE,
my name is Andreas Lachmann and I'm a roman re-enactor and living historian
from Brisbane,Australia.
I've only joined Nova Roma recently as a probationary member ,and this is my
first post on this forum.
Last week somebody,the name escapes me I'm sorry to say,posted some
information about roman music by SYNAVLIA.As a result I ended up downloading
both their cd's (at i-Tunes )just in time for our CASTORI,POLLVCI AD FORVM
feast last weekend.
While we all enjoyed the music and the way it enhanced our night,we were
left wondering on what research the music is based.Can anybody help in that
regard?It would be much appreciated.
Last but not least ,I would like to take this opportunity to thank CATO for
his marvelous daily contributions.
VALETE,D.ARM.BRVTVS

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SALVE PRISCE,
while I'm living in Australia as a citizen of that wonderful country,I was
in fact born and raised in Hamburg,Germany.Thus german is my native
tongue.If you please kindly scan the german text for me,I'll translate it
for the benefit of you and my fellow romans down here.
Thanks for you kind response.
VALE D.ARM.BRVTVS

>Salve, Andreas
>
> I have an official CD of Synaulia that brings an extensive text in
>german, which unfortunately I cannot understand.
>
> Vale
> Appius Iulius Priscus
>

>
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Salve D. Aemili Severe,

In my books, nobody who comes here with an interest and willing to
learn about Rome, Nova Roma et al is an idiot. More the intellectual
type I would certainly say. Welcome to Nova Roma!

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

Senator




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Aemilus Severus"
<daemilivssevervs@...> wrote:

>
> O.K., I am an idiot. Read the replies but not the original post,

except the

> parts included in the responses. I must apologize to C. Curius

Saturninus.

> Lesson learned.
>
> D•AEMILIVS•SEVERVS
>
>
> On 2/2/07, D. Aemilus Severus <daemilivssevervs@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > Don't be nervous about the test. I wrote it earlier in the

month, and

> > though a little nervous about what it may entail, I tell you with
> > confidence, don't be nervous. This step towards citizenship is

important,

> > precisely for the reason G. Popillius Laenas stipulates, and

should be

> > something to look forward to, as a challenge. It is a simplistic

way to

> > demonstrate your knowledge of Roman history and society. Accept

the

> > challenge and move on to bigger and better things afterwards. I

look

> > forward to seeing you announce your full citizenship.
> >
> > Di vos incolumes custodiant,
> >
> > D•AEMILIVS•SEVERVS
> >
> >
> >
> > > >Salvete
> > > >
> > > >I agree with Gn. Marino. The test and porbationary period are

really a

> > > >bare minimum intended to screen out people who have no real

interest

> > > >and to insure those who do become cives have a basic

understanding of

> > > >things Roman and Nova Roman.
> > > >
> > > >I believe it has been a great step forward.
> > > >
> > > >Valete,
> > > >
> > > >G. Popillius Laenas
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>