Salvete MCC et omnes,

No paper,magazine or any of the electronic media in the world will
accept or publish any article of a person who says they are
anonymous or will not give their real name. It has been that way for
ages and that is one of the first things we were taught in school
with regards to proper writing and communication skills.

Regards,

QSP

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·C·C· <complutensis@...> wrote:
>
> Oh! An anonymous "friend of thuth"!
>
> "Rompipalle" will be a better name.
>
> The done affirmations anonymously do not deserve any respect. A
minimum norm of education demands to identify itself or to sign the
messages.
>
> gentisanglorum dixit: "You asked me for a name. You can call me
A Friend of Truth."
>
> ..............sound of
drums ...........................................
>
> Really do you think that you are a superhero?
>
> Vale
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
> SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
> NOVA ROMA
> -----------------------------------------
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
>
> ----- Mensaje original -----
> De: gentisanglorum
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Enviado: lunes, 12 de febrero de 2007 14:24
> Asunto: [Nova-Roma] Re: PROVINCIÆ HISPANIA ET BRITANNIA
>
>
> Compultensis:
>
> I've seen you've banned me from "nrhispania" mail list...
>
> It doesn't matter. In the message #22928 (January 25th 2007) of
that
> list, you posted the names of the 34 members of the Spanish
> association. A quick search within the album civium database
reveals
> that 29 of them are also citizens of Nova Roma, and only 5 are not.
>
> So, as you can see, the 85,29% of the members of the Spanish
> association are citizens of Nova Roma too. There wasn't
any "majority
> of non-citizens taking control of the association". That was a lie.
>
> You asked me for a name. You can call me A Friend of Truth.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

Just because someone is a "member of Nova Roma" doesn't mean they are loyal
to Nova Roma. Of these 29 citizens how many are assidui? If someone
doesn't pay the tax, and has never paid the tax, I don't consider that
person very loyal. If a person pays a membership fee to the association but
not the NR tax then it seems they are more loyal to the association than to
Nova Roma.

Valete:

Modianus

On 2/12/07, gentisanglorum <gentisanglorum@...> wrote:
>
> Compultensis:
>
> I've seen you've banned me from "nrhispania" mail list...
>
> It doesn't matter. In the message #22928 (January 25th 2007) of that
> list, you posted the names of the 34 members of the Spanish
> association. A quick search within the album civium database reveals
> that 29 of them are also citizens of Nova Roma, and only 5 are not.
>
> So, as you can see, the 85,29% of the members of the Spanish
> association are citizens of Nova Roma too. There wasn't any "majority
> of non-citizens taking control of the association". That was a lie.
>
> You asked me for a name. You can call me A Friend of Truth.
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

"Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

> No paper,magazine or any of the electronic media in the world will
> accept or publish any article of a person who says they are
> anonymous or will not give their real name.

I don't need to be published. I'm only telling you that if you want to
know the TRUTH about the Hispania secession, you only have to:

1. Subscribe to "nrhispania" mail list.
2. Read message #22928 of January 25th, 2007 (if Compultensis haven't
delete it yet): list of members of the Spanish association.
3. Look at the album civium at Nova Roma website.
4. Compare the nomina of association's members with those of the album
civium.

And you will get the nude truth: that 85% of the membership of the
Spanish Cultural association are also citizens of Nova Roma, and that
there wasn't any "majority of non-citizens taking control of the
association" in order to secede.

Modianus wrote:

> Of these 29 citizens how many are assidui? If someone
> doesn't pay the tax, and has never paid the tax, I don't consider
> that person very loyal.

Of these 29 citizens, 19 are assidui, and other 2 were assidui in a
earlier taxation period.

Compultensis wrote:

> Oh! An anonymous "friend of thuth"!
> "Rompipalle" will be a better name.

Thank you, it's a honor to be ironically insulted by a man like you.


Compultensis wrote:

> The done affirmations anonymously do not deserve any respect. A
> minimum norm of education demands to identify itself or to sign the
> messages.

I'm not interested in your respect to me. I'm interested in the TRUTH.
And the truth is that more than 85 per cent of Spanish association's
members are also citizens of Nova Roma.


Compultensis wrote:

> gentisanglorum dixit: "You asked me for a name. You can call me A
> Friend of Truth."
> ..............sound of drums
> ...........................................
> Really do you think that you are a superhero?

Of course not. But do you really think you are a super-dictator? I'm
talking about banning me of the "nrhispania" mail list although I
NEVER posted there.

Sorry, a rectification (and clarification):

Of the 34 members of the Spanish association:

17 members are assidui citizens of NR (tax payers).
3 members were assidui in the past (former tax payers).
4 members are new citizens (from January 2006 til now).
5 members are capite censi citizens.

And the rest 5 members are not citizens of Nova Roma.

I expect this data will serve you well.

Cato "Amico Verito" omnibusque SPD

Salvete omnes.

Just a note: the point is not (or should not be) whether or not a
majority or minority of citizens were involved. The point is that
they made a choice, which was to no longer be legally bound to the
Republic. They are free to do so, but they are now foreigners; not
because the Republic has turned its back on them, but because they
chose to tear themselves from the body of the Republic.

I will not stand by and allow the Republic to be held up as the
villian here; this was planned and executed by a specific group for
specific purposes, knowing full well what the repercussions were most
likely going to be - and they proceeded to do it anyways. This is like
a man becoming a Roman Catholic priest and then attacking the church
because he cannot get married. Whether you agree in principle in
priestly celibacy or not, the man in question went in fully aware of
the church's position, and is in no position to cry "foul" because he
no longer feels that he should be bound by his action in taking on the
priesthood.

Are there problems in the Republic? Of course there are, and you will
find challenges in any organization that is international in scope and
as varied in personality as the Republic is. Was secession from the
Republic the only responsible action available to this group of
Hispanici? No. But it was the one they chose, and now they must
accept the consequences of their actions.

The Republic, in turn, has a responsibility to its citizens to look at
the roots of this act, and respond in ways that will more greatly
benefit all its citizens.

Valete,

Cato

Salvete Praetores et salvete omnes civibus Novae Romae.

I want to request to the Praetores that the messages of those people, who is not citizen and who speak of policy and subjects of NR and who do not sign the posts must be moderated or banned.

Valete

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>Thank you, it's a honor to be ironically insulted by a man like you.

It did not try to be an insult, single the sad reality.

>I'm not interested in your respect to me. I'm interested in the TRUTH.
>And the truth is that more than 85 per cent of Spanish association's
>members are also citizens of Nova Roma.

I am not interested in your truth, until you do not demonstrate who you are
and that you are a novo roman citizen your opinions will be those of a
barbarian without no rights.

Without identity you are not legitimate to speak about Nova Roma and his
policy, you are nobody.

>Of course not. But do you really think you are a super-dictator? I'm
>talking about banning me of the "nrhispania" mail list although I NEVER
>posted there.

Yes in the Provincial List of Hispania I can to be a super-dictator,
because I am one of the Moderators and while we do not know your identity
you will be considered person non grata in Hispania.

Vale

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima

Compultensis wrote:

> It did not try to be an insult, single the sad reality.
> I am not interested in your truth, until you do not demonstrate who
> you are and that you are a novo roman citizen your opinions will be
> those of a barbarian without no rights.
> Without identity you are not legitimate to speak about Nova Roma and
> his policy, you are nobody.
> Yes in the Provincial List of Hispania I can to be a
> super-dictator, because I am one of the Moderators and while we do not
> know your identity you will be considered person non grata in
> Hispania.

Thank you for your kind words. I expect that novaromans will keep them
in mind for future elections. I wish you a happy third propraetorship
in Hispania, Compultensis.

This is my last message to this forum. Fare thee well.

Luckyly the NR citizens are much more intelligent and braver than other people who hide himself in the anonymity.

Ave atque vale

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

We cannot allow that an not-identified person interferes in our
policy and business, especially when that person is between us from
1º of February (only) or when he acts maliciously, for which he has
created one double identity.........


Valete

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
<complutensis@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete Praetores et salvete omnes civibus Novae Romae.
>
> I want to request to the Praetores that the messages of those

people, who is not citizen and who speak of policy and subjects of NR
and who do not sign the posts must be moderated or banned.

>
> Valete
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
> SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

On 2/12/07, gentisanglorum <gentisanglorum@...> wrote:

> Compultensis wrote:
> > Yes in the Provincial List of Hispania I can to be a
> > super-dictator, because I am one of the Moderators and while we do not
> > know your identity you will be considered person non grata in
> > Hispania.
>
> Thank you for your kind words. I expect that novaromans will keep them
> in mind for future elections.

I shall, this is certain! Tribune, I hope you run for an office in the
future that allows the Patricians to vote. I will have no problems
supporting you.

Ti Octavius Avitus
--
Men are haunted by the vastness of eternity.
And so we ask ourselves: will our actions
echo across centuries?
Will strangers hear our names long after
we are gone, and wonder who we were,
how bravely we fought, how fiercely we loved?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M�CVR�COMPLVTENSIS
<complutensis@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete Praetores et salvete omnes civibus Novae Romae.
>
> I want to request to the Praetores that the messages of those

people, who is not citizen and who speak of policy and subjects of NR
and who do not sign the posts must be moderated or banned.

>
> Valete
>
> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
> SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
> NOVA ROMA

Salve M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS

you got to be kidding right?
this is the bloodly Forum anyone should be free to say what they like.
more to the point this person may be talking about something that
could in fact make other mad at him / her and he/she may be wanting
just to be save and let us know the facts in the matter.
vale
Marcus Cornelius Felix
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS"
<complutensis@...> wrote:

>
> We cannot allow that an not-identified person interferes in our
> policy and business, especially when that person is between us from
> 1� of February (only) or when he acts maliciously, for which he has
> created one double identity.........
>
>
> Valete
>
> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
> SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
> NOVA ROMA
>

salve
lets see poof of this !
vale
Marcus Cornelius Felix

> A. Tullia Scholastica Praetrix M. Curiatio Complutensi quiritibus, sociis,
> peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salvete Praetores et salvete omnes civibus Novae Romae.
>
> I want to request to the Praetores that the messages of those people, who is
> not citizen and who speak of policy and subjects of NR and who do not sign the
> posts must be moderated or banned.
>
> ATS: As a new member of this list, the person who uses the e-mail address
> gentis anglorum (which translates as of the clan/gens of the English) is
> moderated. That, however, does not mean that his/her posts are not allowed;
> it means that they are reviewed by a moderator before being posted. We cannot
> very well ban someone for citing statistics on group membership, even if they
> contradict what other, highly-respected members of our government have said on
> this matter. This is a touchy situation, but we must grant the other side the
> opportunity to speak, so long as they do so in a calm, non-inflammatory
> fashion, as is the norm in academia. The Senate voting has just finished;
> more will be said on this subject in the coming days both in and out of
> chambers. Let us keep calm, and address the situation with cool heads.
>
> As for unsigned messages, good manners indicates that one should use a
> salutation and a closing with one¹s name, but we have members here who do not
> use one or the other, thus making it difficult for anyone to respond to the
> post in question in a gracious fashion. We also have at least one person who
> seems to use a mechanism intended to cloak his identity due to extreme
> shyness. I would encourage this party (gentis anglorum) to reveal his/her
> identity, but will not compel it...even if I could. The rules are different
> for citizens and others, and there is no way of knowing which this person is.
> In either case, list members may comment on NR if they like, and do so
> appropriately; some do become citizens, and some are former citizens.
>
> Just FYI, too, Sceptius has just joined this list...
>
> Valete
>
> M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
> SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
> NOVA ROMA
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>

Vale, et valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Salve M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
>
> you got to be kidding right?
> this is the bloodly Forum anyone should be free to say what they like.

Citizens have that freedom, yes.

This 'gentisanglorum' email address does not show up in the database,
thus we don't need to recognize it as a citizen - the attached entity
has no rights, and no manners.

I suspect that it is one of the persons involved in the mass defection,
wanting to stir up trouble among loyalists.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

-"Apes don't read philosophy."
-"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct
you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of
Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London Underground is
not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up."
-from "A Fish Called Wanda"

M. Hortensia A. Tulliae Quiritibusque spd;
I certainly agree that this civis or ex-civis, for I
believe only two or three Hispani remain in NR: Gn. Salvius Astur,
M. Curiatus Complutensis & Uranicus, should sign his name.
I'm glad Scepticus is here. This is a very active
province. I met Scepticus in Dublin when he was on holiday & we had
a fantastic time talking for hours on everything Roman. He's been a
6 year civis. So if all these Hispani have left, I for one would
like to hear them.
What did they get out of Nova Roma, what did they lack,
what are the aims of their new org & why isn't it compatible with
belonging to Nova Roma.
bene valete in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior
producer "Vox Romana" podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/


FYI, too, Sceptius has just joined this list...

> >
> > Valete
> >
> > M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
> > TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
> > SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > -------------------------------
> >
> > ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> Vale, et valete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus sal.

We have a "Sodalitas Coquorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum". I wonder why we
don't have a "Sodalitas Vestitorum et Sutorum" (Association of Tailors
and Cobblers).

I'm not volunteering for anything. I was just looking at the wiki and
wondering how we could get more and better articles on Roman clothing.
Don't we have any citizens with this interest?

Optime valete!

Agricola Omnibus sal.

I would like to update the wiki page at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_Market_Day but I can't find current
information. The website at http://www.romanmarketday.com/ says "New
dates set for 2004!" and a message I posted on the Yahoo group at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RomanMarketDays/ waited for the owner's
approval for two weeks before being automatically rejected. The last
message there is dated "Sep 1, 2006".

So can anyone tell me, is Roman Market Day dead? (It sure looks that
way to me.)

Optime valete!

CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·QVIRITIBVS·S·P·D

S·V·B·E·E·V

Some private citizens have asked me to publicly explain what has
happened in Hispania, since the public seems worried about the fact
and the main list has become a nest of rumours concerning this issue.

The plain facts are quite simple. In order to have some legal entity
through which they could operate in Spain, the citizens of Nova Roma
registered seven years ago a legal association in Spain called
"Provincia Hispania Novae Romae".This association had its own
structure - as had to be the case according to Spanish laws. However,
we made its president be the propraetor of the Province, and its
assembly be the same thing as its concilium provinciale.

Some citizens, however, were not happy with that situation. They had
reached the conclusion that Nova Roma was a waste of time, and they
wanted to have an all-Spanish association that was not formally
connected to Nova Roma - the by-laws of the original association
stated its formal links with Nova Roma and defined it as "the Spanish
branch of Nova Roma, Inc."

These citizens proposed some changes on the by-law of the Spanish
association, and they convinced enough members of the association to
get them approved.

Now, if I had had it my way, I'd have had them simply found a new
association of their own, and leave the legal entity that was created
to serve the citizens of Nova Roma in Spain in place. But I have been
away for long periods, and I do not have a good personal relationship
with the person who orchestrated this change (David, a.k.a.
"Sceptius"), so I guess that I failed to get the message through. The
result is simply that the legal entity that served the citizens in
Hispania has disappeared.

However, many of those who approved this change have no intention to
leave Nova Roma. They claim that they are still interested in the Nova
Roma project, but that Nova Roma is quite inefficient and that it is a
"dead weight" for the Spanish association. I personally think that
this opinion is born out of a deep lack of knowledge about what Nova
Roma is and does - most Spaniards do not speak English and have a very
limited contact with NR activities outside Spain - but I respect their
collective wishes.

Where does all this fuss come from, then? David (a.k.a. "Sceptius")
used a lot of rhetoric to convince his fellow members of the need to
change the by-laws of the association. He spoke about "independence"
and "dead weight" a lot on the Spanish main list. When the Senate -
some non-Spanish senators understand Spanish - heard about those
comments, hell broke loose and the word "treason" began to be used a
lot. This simply served to confirm David (a.k.a. "Sceptius")
conceptions about NR, even though there were at least as many voices
calling for a friendly approach than those who were asking for the
"culprit's" head; yet another example of a self-fulfilling profecy.

In brief, a badly thought change in the by-laws of a local association
has been badly presented to the Senate. The result: a new legal entity
has to be created to represent the citizens of Spain, a few citizens
in Spain will resign, a majority of the citizens there will stay in
Nova Roma, and a lot of time and bandwidth will have been wasted.

What to do now? A new propraetor will be appointed, and things will
begin from scratch. Most of us will learn from our mistakes (some
people are beyond that point, in any case). And life will go on. Nova
Roma will not disappear in Hispania, unless we insist in throwing out
those citizens who wish to remain by treating them as "traitors".

This is not a disaster; this is merely a resignation of a few citizens
with a lot of associated inconveniences, and a sign that not
everything is working fine in Nova Roma - but that is something that
shouldn't surprise anyone anymore.

CVRATE·VT·VALEATIS

CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT

M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

We owe a debt to Senator Astur for this information. (Newcomers may
not know Astur. Search for "Astur" on our site and you will see that
he was Consul MMDCCLVII a.u.c.)

To my mind, the best course of action is to remain calm and plan on
having a wonderful Conventus in Hispania later this year. Let's do our
very best and made sure that all Hispanii (indeed, all people) know
that they are welcome in Nova Roma and that Nova Roma is worthwhile to
be a part of.

Optime valete!


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Salvius Astur"
<cn.salvius.astur@...> wrote:

>
> CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·QVIRITIBVS·S·P·D
>
> S·V·B·E·E·V
>
> Some private citizens have asked me to publicly explain what has
> happened in Hispania, since the public seems worried about the fact
> and the main list has become a nest of rumours concerning this issue.
>
> The plain facts are quite simple. In order to have some legal entity
> through which they could operate in Spain, the citizens of Nova Roma
> registered seven years ago a legal association in Spain called
> "Provincia Hispania Novae Romae".This association had its own
> structure - as had to be the case according to Spanish laws. However,
> we made its president be the propraetor of the Province, and its
> assembly be the same thing as its concilium provinciale.
>
> Some citizens, however, were not happy with that situation. They had
> reached the conclusion that Nova Roma was a waste of time, and they
> wanted to have an all-Spanish association that was not formally
> connected to Nova Roma - the by-laws of the original association
> stated its formal links with Nova Roma and defined it as "the Spanish
> branch of Nova Roma, Inc."
>
> These citizens proposed some changes on the by-law of the Spanish
> association, and they convinced enough members of the association to
> get them approved.
>

[SNIP]

Cato A. Tulliae Scholasticae praetrix M. Hortensiae Maiori M. Curiato
Complutensi omnibusque SPD

Salvete omnes.

I fully concur with my colleague in the praetorship regarding this
issue. My colleague and I have slightly different understandings
about what constitutes "free" speech, but in this basic point we are
in total agreement: while "gentis anglorum" is not signing with a
Roman name, he or she will be treated exactly as any other new
subscriber to the Forum, with moderation.

To be quite honest, I am one of those who stands most firmly in
opposition to the acts of the group of Hispanici who dissolved their
legal connection with the Republic - one of Salvius Astur's
"hotheads", although I do not believe that laese patriae was ever
mentioned - and so am not terribly impressed by any argument which
tries to cast their act of seperation in a kindly light. In the
Senate I called them "rebels" and called for action against what I
termed a "revolt" in Hispania.

But they have the right to speak freely - under moderation, if new
subscribers - in the Forum. I made it a large part of my campaign for
praetor that I believe in the right of those who make up our
community, whether citizens, associates, or visitors, to speak their
mind free of the fear of retaliation of any kind from the government
of the Republic, and I stand by that belief, and will allow anyone to
speak whether I agree with them or not. As long as the basics of our
Yahoo! ToS are met, they are free to speak.

I believe that the great groaning doors of the Senate House should be
swung open as well, allowing the citizens the ability to hear what the
Conscript Fathers have to say while in debate in accordance with
ancient practice; the "seal" of the Senate should be the exception,
not the rule. But that, fellow citizens, is another battle :-)

Valete bene,

Cato

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Idus Februariis; haec dies nefastus publicus est.

"The altars of rustic Faunus smoke, on the Ides.
There, where the island breaks Tiber's waters.
This was the day when three hundred and six
Of the Fabii fell to Veientine weapons.
A single family assumed the burden and defence of the city:
Their strong right arms volunteered their swords.
Noble soldiers they marched from the one camp,
And any one of them was fitted to be the leader.
The nearest way was the right hand arch of Carmentis Gate
Let no one go that way: it is unlucky.
Tradition says that the three hundred Fabii passed through:
The gate is free of blame, but is still unlucky." - Ovid, Fasti II

"When the others refused their offer and chose the death befitting men
of noble birth, the Tyrrhenians renewed the struggle, attacking them
in relays, though no longer fighting at close quarters in hand-to-hand
combat, but standing in a body and hurling javelins and stones at them
from a distance; and the multitude of missiles was like a snow-storm.
The Romans, massing by companies, rushed upon their foes, who did not
stand their ground, and though they received many wounds from those
surrounding them, they stood firm. But when the swords of many had
become useless, some having their edges blunted and others being
broken, and the borders of their shields next the rims were hacked in
pieces, and the men themselves were for the most part bled white and
overwhelmed by missiles and their limbs paralysed by reason of the
multitude of their wounds, the Tyrrhenians scorned them and came to
close quarters. Then the Romans, rushing at them like wild beasts,
seized their spears and broke them, grasped their swords by the edges
and wrenched them out of their hands, and twisting the bodies of their
antagonists, fell with them to the ground, locked in close embrace,
fighting with greater rage than strength. Hence the enemy, astonished
at their endurance and terrified at the madness that had seized them
in their despair of life, no longer ventured to come to grips with
them, but retiring again, stood in a body and hurled at them sticks,
stones, and anything else they could lay their hands on, and at last
buried them under the multitude of missiles. After destroying these
men they ran to the fortress, carrying with them the heads of the most
prominent, expecting to take the men there prisoners at their first
onset." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 9.21

In the 480s B.C., the gens Fabius was one of the most powerful
familial groups in Rome. The Fabii had major Etruscan connections and
owned a considerable tract of land between Rome and Veii. A major
strategic point on the Via Salaria, or Salt Road between Rome and Veii
was where the stream Cremora joined the Tiber. The Fabii and the
Veians came into conflict with each other during this period, mainly
through mutual cattle raiding. Then, the Fabii built a defensive
blockhouse at the Cremora which the Veians considered a challenge
thrown in their teeth. Now the Fabii had raised a large semi - private
army who owed their allegiance not to the Roman state but to the
Fabian Gens. Thre hundred of the Fabii and their clients occupied the
blockhouse with intentions of holding this strongpoint against Veii in
476. This led to the Battle of the Cremora in which three hundred
Fabii were killed and the area was abandoned to the Veiians.

"Scio versiculis meis evenire, ut fastidiose legantur: quippe sic
meritum est eorum. Sed quosdam solet commendare materia et aliquotiens
fortasse lectorem solum lemma sollicitat tituli, ut festivitate
persuasus et ineptiam ferre contentus sit. Hoc opusculum nec materia
amoenum est nec appellatione iucundum. Habet maestam religionem, qua
carorum meorum obitus tristi affectione commemoro. Titulus libelli est
Parentalia. Antiquae appellationis hic dies et iam inde ab Numa
cognatorum inferiis institutus: nec quicquam sanctius habet reverentia
superstitum quam ut amissos venerabiliter recordetur." - Praefatio for
the Parentalia, unknown edition


Today is the beginning of the Parentalia, the Roman festival for
honoring one's dead parents. Families gathered amongst the tombs of
loved ones and made offerings or sacrifices of grain and wine to their
souls. Although the Parentalia always began with the performance of
ceremonies in honor of dead parents by a Vestal Virgin, Romans
basically celebrated the Parentalia at the family level. Families
walked outside the city to visit the family tombs and performed
private sacrifices in honor of dead kin (especially parents). The
sacrifices were simple, a little wine, a little corn or bread, perhaps
some votive garlands. It was a quiet, personal, reflective day,
followed by a quiet reflective week or so to think about loved ones
and the importance of the family. The Parentalia was the first of
three Roman festivals in February for appeasing the dead which started
on the Ides and lasted until the 22nd. During this time all temples
were closed, marriages were forbidden, and public officials suspended
business for the duration of the festivals.

Valete bene,

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Ovid

Ex Officio Gai Equiti Catoni Praetoris

In accordance with ancient practice, the calendar issued by the
College of Pontiffs, and in honor of the observance of the Virgo
Vestalis Parentat or Parentalia (Id. Feb. through a.d. VIII Kal.
Mar.), I hereby suspend all public magisterial activity; during this
time no voting or legislation shall be brought forward, no lawsuits
heard, and the Senate shall not meet.

I advise all citizens to use this time to reflect upon the events
which have transpired and to discuss ways in which we might further
expand and clarify our goals as a community for the benefit of the
Republic and its People.

Gaius Equitius Cato
Praetor

Given by my hand on the Ides of February 2760 AUC in the consulships
of L. Arminius Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus

Agricola Catoni sal.

I think that we need more projects. Of course, more face to face
meetings too, but out here in Asia Orientalis that is not something
that is likely to happen much, so it is not in the forefront of my
thinking.

I don't mean just starting projects, but actually collecting people,
making plans and then following through.

I can think of three or four things I would like to see done, but I
bet that if citizens try they could think of dozens and dozens of
useful things to get done.

optime vale!




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

>
> Ex Officio Gai Equiti Catoni Praetoris
>
> In accordance with ancient practice, the calendar issued by the
> College of Pontiffs, and in honor of the observance of the Virgo
> Vestalis Parentat or Parentalia (Id. Feb. through a.d. VIII Kal.
> Mar.), I hereby suspend all public magisterial activity; during this
> time no voting or legislation shall be brought forward, no lawsuits
> heard, and the Senate shall not meet.
>
> I advise all citizens to use this time to reflect upon the events
> which have transpired and to discuss ways in which we might further
> expand and clarify our goals as a community for the benefit of the
> Republic and its People.
>
> Gaius Equitius Cato
> Praetor
>
> Given by my hand on the Ides of February 2760 AUC in the consulships
> of L. Arminius Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus
>

Salve Agricola,

"M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...> writes:

> I was just looking at the wiki and
> wondering how we could get more and better articles on Roman clothing.

Julilla Sempronia Magna has a nice section about making Roman clothing in her
website. We also have information about Roman clothing in the Campus Martius
section of the website, or a least we used to. Those of us who make clothing
usually have a strong overlap with the reenactment community.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

---Salve G. Equitius Cato Praetor:

Regarding your edict...

Just to confirm the meaning of 'no voting' or legislation shall be
brought forth...do you mean just that no voting or legislation can be
introduced during the times stipulated? There is an election for
Tribune of the Plebs scheduled Feb. 18-28, and so I ask.

Vale
Pompeia Minucia Strabo
Custos


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

>
> Ex Officio Gai Equiti Catoni Praetoris
>
> In accordance with ancient practice, the calendar issued by the
> College of Pontiffs, and in honor of the observance of the Virgo
> Vestalis Parentat or Parentalia (Id. Feb. through a.d. VIII Kal.
> Mar.), I hereby suspend all public magisterial activity; during this
> time no voting or legislation shall be brought forward, no lawsuits
> heard, and the Senate shall not meet.
>
> I advise all citizens to use this time to reflect upon the events
> which have transpired and to discuss ways in which we might further
> expand and clarify our goals as a community for the benefit of the
> Republic and its People.
>
> Gaius Equitius Cato
> Praetor
>
> Given by my hand on the Ides of February 2760 AUC in the consulships
> of L. Arminius Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus
>

Salve Praetor,

Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> writes:

> I hereby suspend all public magisterial activity; during this
> time no voting or legislation shall be brought forward, no lawsuits
> heard, and the Senate shall not meet.

I don't think you have the authority to do this. Magistrates are generally
independent of one another. In any case, how do you feel about the censors'
office? Must all citizenship applications be suspended too?

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Cato P. Minuciae Straboni Gn. Equitio Marino omnibusque SPD

Salvete.

Pompeia Strabo, you asked:

"...do you mean just that no voting or legislation can be
introduced during the times stipulated? There is an election for
Tribune of the Plebs scheduled Feb. 18-28..."

The vote for tribunis plebis was previously scheduled to take place
and opens on a.d. XII Kal. Mar., which is a dies comitialis; therefore
voting is permitted. My edict requires that no *new* activity may be
introduced, and I apologize for not making that clear. Whether or not
the presiding magistrate will suspend voting during the religious
observances on particular days within the timeframe affected by my
edict is in their hands.

Gnaeus Marinus, you asked:

"Must all citizenship applications be suspended too?"

This is a little different than the situation presented by Pompeia
Strabo. It was customary for all public activity to stop during the
period over which the Parentalia spans, and there are other important
days contained within this timeframe as well - the Lupercalia, the
Regifugium, the Quirinalia, the Terminalia, the Equirria - all sacred
to the gods and held as dies nefasti or nefasti publici. I suggest
that it does no harm for prospective citizens to rest as well as we
honor the gods who hold the foundations of the Republic in their
hands. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

To my fellow citizens, I say: I feel that the time has come for
someone to stand and hold the Republic accountable for the public
observance of the great festivals of the state. The aediles are
responsible for maintaining order *during* these observances; the
praetors are, among other things, charged with issuing edicts which
they feel are "necessary to engage in those tasks which advance the
mission and function of Nova Roma..." (lex Const. VI.3.b) If honoring
the gods does not serve to advance the mission and function of the
state, I do not know what does.

Just to make it clear, I am *not* a practitioner of the religio
Romana; I do not have a personal religious interest in this action.
Nonetheless, I feel that we need to start taking steps towards
acknowledging the place that the religio deserves in the daily life of
the Republic. The pontiffs have published the calendar, and I use my
imperium to uphold ancient tradition regarding the observance of these
days.

Valete,

Cato

Salve M. Lucretius Agricola!

This area is a huge interest of mine! I am currently reading "The Clothing
of the Ancient Romans," an excellent vintage book I recently acquired that
contains a wealth of knowledge on all aspects of Roman clothing! At the
request of Marcus Audens, I will be writing a series of articles on Roman
clothing and jewelry, beginning with the March issue of the "Roman Times."

I'm still a probationary citizen, but I would be happy to post my articles
as I complete them for the Nova Roma Wiki pages. Is there anything in
particular you are interested in?

Vale,

Lucia Caecilia Marcella

_____

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of M. Lucretius Agricola
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:29 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Vestitores et Sutores?

M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus sal.

We have a "Sodalitas Coquorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum". I wonder why we
don't have a "Sodalitas Vestitorum et Sutorum" (Association of Tailors
and Cobblers).

I'm not volunteering for anything. I was just looking at the wiki and
wondering how we could get more and better articles on Roman clothing.
Don't we have any citizens with this interest?

Optime valete!



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cato omnes SPD

Salvete.

I made an error in Pompeia Strabo's name and have reposted my reply
after having corrected it (and one small grammatical error).

Valete,

Cato

---Salve Cato Praetor:

You wrote:

I made an error in Pompeia Strabo's name and have reposted my reply

> after having corrected it (and one small grammatical error).
>

I'm not complaining about it, but thank you.

Pompeia





In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

>
> Cato omnes SPD
>
> Salvete.
>
> I made an error in Pompeia Strabo's name and have reposted my reply
> after having corrected it (and one small grammatical error).
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>

P. Memmius Albucius Praetori Catoni s.d.

S.V.G.E.R.

I am a bit perplex, to say the least, reading your edict below.

Though you have carefully quoted the "ancient practice" and "the
calendar (of the) Pontiffs", these quotings, imho, have a lower force
than our constitution that you have the duty, as praetor, to uphold.

Our constitution, when it does not authorize you to "suspend all
public magisterial activity", i.e. deprive other constitutional powers
(magistrates and Senate) of their full right to exist and fulfill
their current work.

I note then that the period concerned by your edict (Id. Feb. through
a.d. VIII Kal.Mar.)includes days ad. XII, XI and X which have been
defined by the collegium pontificum as "comitiales", so authorizeing
public activity.

Furthermore, I think that every constitutional power of our Res
publica, along with all of we citizens, would agree that, if we all
want to come back to a closest respect of ancient calendar, the
issuing, by the collegium pontificum of Its calendar, is an act
which, in itself, is sufficient to be respected (Cstit. VI b).

Thus your edict is not necessary since the pontifical calendar is
already issued.

Last, I note that, by issuing as praetor in charge of the public fora
your messages ML n° 49073 and 49075, you have yourself violated the
interdiction that you had issued 4 hours before.

All these reasons drive me, as a simple citizen, to respectfully ask
you to withdraw this edict, which, despite the good will that did
surely support it, could be viewed as a coup, at a moment when our
res publica needs, as you say it yourself "to reflect upon the events
which have transpired and to discuss ways in which we might further
expand and clarify our goals as a community for the benefit of the
Republic and its People."

Tibi gratias Praetor,


P. Memmius Albucius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato"
<mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

>
> Ex Officio Gai Equiti Catoni Praetoris
>
> In accordance with ancient practice, the calendar issued by the
> College of Pontiffs, and in honor of the observance of the Virgo
> Vestalis Parentat or Parentalia (Id. Feb. through a.d. VIII Kal.
> Mar.), I hereby suspend all public magisterial activity; during this
> time no voting or legislation shall be brought forward, no lawsuits
> heard, and the Senate shall not meet.
>
> I advise all citizens to use this time to reflect upon the events
> which have transpired and to discuss ways in which we might further
> expand and clarify our goals as a community for the benefit of the
> Republic and its People.
>
> Gaius Equitius Cato
> Praetor
>
> Given by my hand on the Ides of February 2760 AUC in the consulships
> of L. Arminius Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus
>

Cato P. Memmio Albucio sal.

Salve Memmius Albucius.

Albucius, the edict can of course not logically include itself, so
that is a fallacious argument.

The posting of messages 49073 & 49075 are not additional edicta, nor
do they add or subtract from the intent or meaning of the actual
edict, but are merely answers to questions about the edict itself, and
therefore do not violate the edict.

The idea that since the pontiffs have issued the calendar the edict is
unnecessary is incorrect. The pontiffs have the power to issue the
calendar, and this edict enforces the legal observance of that
calendar. I am not changing the nature of the days of the calendar,
simply issuing instructions on how they are to be observed in
accordance with ancient practice.

The way to look at this edict is to ask first, "what did the Romans
do?" and then, "does this bring us closer to ancient practice?" If
this edict fails those two questions, then my colleague in the
praetorship, the consuls, or any tribune of the plebs can simply veto
this it if they feel it necessary to do so.

I feel that I have given fair and clear explanation as to why this
edict positively answers those questions.

Vale bene,

Cato

Salve,

I disagree with this.

The constitution states:
"Nova Roma shall be the temporal homeland and worldly focus for the
Religio Romana. The primary function of Nova Roma shall be to promote
the study and practice of pagan Roman civilization..."

Study and practice both show that public officials suspended
business for the duration of this festival.

Vale,

Lucius Cassius Cornutus
Sacerdos Iani









--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
<albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

>
> P. Memmius Albucius Praetori Catoni s.d.
>
> S.V.G.E.R.
>
> I am a bit perplex, to say the least, reading your edict below.
>
> Though you have carefully quoted the "ancient practice" and "the
> calendar (of the) Pontiffs", these quotings, imho, have a lower force
> than our constitution that you have the duty, as praetor, to uphold.
>
> Our constitution, when it does not authorize you to "suspend all
> public magisterial activity", i.e. deprive other constitutional powers
> (magistrates and Senate) of their full right to exist and fulfill
> their current work.
>
> I note then that the period concerned by your edict (Id. Feb. through
> a.d. VIII Kal.Mar.)includes days ad. XII, XI and X which have been
> defined by the collegium pontificum as "comitiales", so authorizeing
> public activity.
>
> Furthermore, I think that every constitutional power of our Res
> publica, along with all of we citizens, would agree that, if we all
> want to come back to a closest respect of ancient calendar, the
> issuing, by the collegium pontificum of Its calendar, is an act
> which, in itself, is sufficient to be respected (Cstit. VI b).
>
> Thus your edict is not necessary since the pontifical calendar is
> already issued.
>
> Last, I note that, by issuing as praetor in charge of the public fora
> your messages ML n° 49073 and 49075, you have yourself violated the
> interdiction that you had issued 4 hours before.
>
> All these reasons drive me, as a simple citizen, to respectfully ask
> you to withdraw this edict, which, despite the good will that did
> surely support it, could be viewed as a coup, at a moment when our
> res publica needs, as you say it yourself "to reflect upon the events
> which have transpired and to discuss ways in which we might further
> expand and clarify our goals as a community for the benefit of the
> Republic and its People."
>
> Tibi gratias Praetor,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato"
> <mlcinnyc@> wrote:
> >
> > Ex Officio Gai Equiti Catoni Praetoris
> >
> > In accordance with ancient practice, the calendar issued by the
> > College of Pontiffs, and in honor of the observance of the Virgo
> > Vestalis Parentat or Parentalia (Id. Feb. through a.d. VIII Kal.
> > Mar.), I hereby suspend all public magisterial activity; during this
> > time no voting or legislation shall be brought forward, no lawsuits
> > heard, and the Senate shall not meet.
> >
> > I advise all citizens to use this time to reflect upon the events
> > which have transpired and to discuss ways in which we might further
> > expand and clarify our goals as a community for the benefit of the
> > Republic and its People.
> >
> > Gaius Equitius Cato
> > Praetor
> >
> > Given by my hand on the Ides of February 2760 AUC in the consulships
> > of L. Arminius Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus
> >
>

P. Memmius Albucius Sacerdoti Cassio s.d.

You wrote:

> I disagree with this.
>
> The constitution states:
> "Nova Roma shall be the temporal homeland and worldly focus for the
> Religio Romana. The primary function of Nova Roma shall be to

promote

> the study and practice of pagan Roman civilization..."
> Study and practice both show that public officials suspended
> business for the duration of this festival.

I agree !

But my point try to remind the lines (paragraph VI, B) of our
constitution which says :
"The institutions of the Religio Romana shall have authority over
religious matters on the level of the state and nation only."
and :
"The collegium pontificum shall have the following honors, powers,
and responsibilities:
a. To control the calendar, and determine when the festivals and dies
fasti and dies nefasti shall occur, and *what their effects shall
be*, within the boundaries of the example of ancient Rome; (..)" [my
udnerling]

In other terms, a Praetor is not authorized to decide on religious
matters on behalf of the College of Pontiffs. And it is, as you have
surely, as Sacerdos, seen it.

Vale Cassii.


P. Memmius Albucius

Salvete omnes civibus Novae Romae,

here is my

REPORT OF SENATE SESSION

The Senate was called to order on February 8, 2007.

The Contio was held on agenda items until February 10, 2007.

Voting on the agenda items was then held from February 10 , 06:00 to February 12, 2007, 06:00 (time of Rome).

The Presiding Magistrate, Consul Galerius Paulinus, dixit: Discussion will commence at 6:00 am, Roman time on ante diem VI Idus Februarias MMDCCLX a.u.c.(Thursday February 8, 2007) voting will commence at 6:am Roman Time on a.d. IV Id. Feb MMDCCLX a.u.c.(Saturday February 10, 2007) and will end at 6:am Roman Time on pr. Id. Ian. MMDCCLX a.u.c.(Monday February 12, 2007).

On February 12 2007, the latest session of the Senate of Nova Roma was declared closed by the Consul Galerius Paulinus, in which 27 of the 38 senatores voted, fulfilling the quorum needed for the session.

19 Senators voted within the term settled down for such aim and 8 voted outside term.


Here are the list of the 19 voting Senators, listed by date and and reception time of their votes in the list of the Senate:

[TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
[LAF] Lucius Arminius Faustus
[GFBM] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
[QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
[GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
[CFBQ] Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
[MOG] Marcus Octavius Gracchus
[FVG] Flavius Vedius Germanicus
[CCS] Caius Curius Saturninus
[SAS] Sextus Apollonius Scipio
[GPL] Gaius Popilius Laenas
[PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo
[MCJ] Marcus Cassius Julianus
[MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens
[LECA] L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
[MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
[FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
[MMH] Marcus Moravius Horatianus
[ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato


The votes of the following 8 Senators are registered in the List of the Senate like received after the 6 a.m. hour of Rome

[CFD] Caius Flavius Diocletianus (after 6 am Roma Hour = 7,50 am)
[MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior (after 6 am Roma Hour = 8,00 am)
[GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus (after 6 am Roma Hour = 9,42 am)
[QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus (after 6 am Roma Hour = 9,44 am)
[ATS] A. Tullia Scholastica (after 6 am Roma Hour = 10,17 am)
[GSA) Cnaeus Salvius Astur (after 6 am Roma Hour = 10,17 am)
[ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica (after 6 am Roma Hour = 1,12 pm)
[DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus ((after 6 am Roma Hour = 6,41 pm)

The votes received after the 6 a.m. hour of Rome have not been entered because are null votes, although they have been copied and marked with " (post 6 am)".



SENATE AGENDA STARTS

Item I

The Senate revokes the Senatus Consultum of 15 October 2757 in which the Senate recognized the Spanish Association "Provincia Hispania de Nova Roma" as part of Nova Roma.

TGP: UTI ROGAS
LAF: UTI ROGAS
GFBM: UTI ROGAS. Since the association approved by the senate in 2004 is no longer affiliated with Nova Roma it seems appropriate to disassociate legally from them.
QSP: UTI ROGAS. I also agree that since the association approved by the senate in
2004 is no longer affiliated with Nova Roma it seems appropriate to disassociate legally from them.
UTI ROGAS. The Association no longer wishes to be attached to Nova Roma, therefore Nova Roma should not be attached to it.
CFBQ: UTI ROGAS.Sadly enough the presnt situation has lead to this point.
MOG: UTI ROGAS, with sorrow.
FVG: Yes
CCS: Uti rogas, I would have hoped that matter would have brought to the Senate in different way, but the outcome is the same.
SAS: Uti rogas, sadly enough.
GPL: UTI ROGAS
PMS: UTI ROGAS
MCJ: UTI ROGAS
MMS: YES, MMA; I agree wholeheartedly with this move.
LECA: Vti Rogas
MAB: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
MMH: UTI ROGAS
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
[GMM] Vti rogas I vote to revoke that senatus consultum (post 6 am)
QFM: VTIROGAS (post 6 am)
ATS: Vt� rog�s (post 6 am)
GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
[DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)

UTI ROGAS: 19
ANTIQUO: 0
ABSTINEO: 0
SC is revoked

Item II

Marcus Curiatius Complutensis is appointed Propraetor of Hispania

TGP UTI ROGAS
LAF: UTI ROGAS
GFBM: UTI ROGAS. I am pleased with the work of Complutensis and happy to see him willing to serve.
QSP: UTI ROGAS
GEM UTI ROGAS. A good man who's going to have a difficult job this next year.
CFBQ: UTI ROGAS. I have every trust in he is an honorable and loyal citizen and will
make a good Propraetor in these difficult times.
MOG: UTI ROGAS, yes, he's one of our best people.
FVG: Abstain
CCS: Uti rogas, he has lot to do, but I'm confident he can do it.
SAS: Uti Rogas : I trust he will be the Propraetor we need in Hispania.
GPL: UTI ROGAS
PMS: UTI ROGAS
MCJ: UTI ROGAS
MMS: YES, MMA
LECA: Vti Rogas
MAB: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS. I'm sure Complutensis is the best man to lead Hispania in this hard
moment
MMH: UTI ROGAS
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
[GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
QFM: ANTIQVO Our good Tribune was involved in this as well. Why should we ignore this
fact? We need some one totally aloof from the scandal. (post 6 am)
ATS: Vt� rog�s (post 6 am)
GSA: I approve this proposal. Complutensis is the best person for the job. (post 6 am)
ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
[DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)

UTI ROGAS: 18
ANTIQUO: 0
ABSTINEO: 1
Marcus Curiatius Complutensis is appointed as Propraetor of Hispania.

Item III

A letter shall be drafted to the citizens of Hispania letting them know that they are valued in Nova Romans and that we are willing to listen o their concerns.

The letter should also ask that if the NR Hispania website/domain name was paid for by Nova Roman funds that it be turned over to our Propraetor for use by the Nova Roman province of Hispania.

TGP UTI ROGAS
LAF Antiquo. I agree with the words of one Consular here. How effective would be a letter to such decision?
GFBM: UTI ROGAS. I hope those citizens who are in the association will continue their citizenship in Nova Roma.
QSP: UTI ROGAS
GEM: UTI ROGAS. I hope this letter will be written soon and signed by both consuls on behalf of the Senate.
CFBQ: UTI ROGAS. I wish all our citizens in Provincia Hispania all the best and hope that some of those who consider to leave will stay and some who are passive at the moment rally to the Res Publica to make Nova Roma strong again in Hispania.
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
FVG: No
CCS: Uti rogas, with it and following actions I hope we can convince hispanici and everyone that the Senate listens and cares about the welfare of the citizens
SAS: Uti Rogas: imho a much needed letter
GPL: UTI ROGAS
PMS: UTI ROGAS
MCJ: UTI ROGAS although I fear that neither of these will do much good
MMA: YES, MMA; The Senate to my knowledge has always been willing to listen to any citizen's concerns, if the citizens can and are willing to take the same amount of time and effort to notify the Senate specifically of their concerns, as they are to act against Nova Roma, and using general disaffections as an excuse to leave NR. It takes some effort after all to be a citizen, and to bring forward the concerns to the governing body of Magistrates and Senators for their review. Such has not been forthcoming from any departing Spanish citizen to my knowledge.
LECA:
MAB: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
MMH: UTI ROGAS
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
[GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
QFM: ANTIQVO (post 6 am)
I. The Roman Senate never listened to any concerns. Read
some history...And remember, they joined us, we didn't join them.
II. If we change our system every time someone bitches about
us, we are not going to accomplish much. I suspect 50% of these dis
-franchised citizens will be back in the NR fold before year's end.
ATS: Abstine�. I fully support sending a letter; indeed, I favor sending one or more envoys, should that be possible. However, I am not certain about the website situation, which I thought would be completely separated, as some have voted on it, so will abstain. (post 6 am)
GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
[DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)

UTI ROGAS: 16
ANTIQUO: 2
ABSTINEO: 0
BLANK BALLOT: 1
Item passed


Item IV

A letter to the new association should respectfully ask that the new association refrain from using the name or logos of Nova Roma, Inc.

TGP UTI ROGAS
LAF Antiquo
GFBM: UTI ROGAS
QSP: UTI ROGAS
GEM: UTI ROGAS
CFBQ: UTI ROGAS. This must of course be done.
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
FVG: No
CCS: Uti rogas, Spanish association needs to respect our copyrights.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
GPL: UTI ROGAS
PMS: UTI ROGAS
MCJ: UTI ROGAS - if there is a possibility that there could be further conflict over this, we must have stated clearly our intent that these things not be used.
MMA: YES, MMA; Very good!!
LECA: Vti Rogas
MAB: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
MMH: UTI ROGAS
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
[GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
QFM: VTIROGAS By Internet Law they can't. We withdrew our permission to use it. (post 6 am)
ATS: Vt� rog�s, (post 6 am)
GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
[DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)

UTI ROGAS: 17
ANTIQUO: 2
ABSTINEO: 0
Item passed.


Item V

A. Moravia Aurelia is appointed as Propraetor of America Austroccidentalis.

TGP UTI ROGAS
LAF Uti Rogas
GFBM: UTI ROGAS
QSP: UTI ROGAS
GEM: UTI ROGAS. She's been good so far. I hope this will allow her to be even better.
CFBQ: UTI ROGAS.She has my full support as I know that she will do her job well.
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
FVG: Abstain
CCS: Uti rogas, she has my confidence. I also support L. Junius Bassus as Propraetor of California and I'm not happy that Senate is not allowed to vote about that.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
GPL: UTI ROGAS
PMS: UTI ROGAS
MCJ: UTI ROGAS
MMA: YES, MMA
LECA: Vti Rogas
MAB: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
MMH: UTI ROGAS
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
[GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
QFM: VTIROGAS (post 6 am)
ATS: The title here should again be propraetr�x, not propraetor. However, it seems to be the thought that counts, so ut� rog�s here as well (post 6 am)
GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
[DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)

UTI ROGAS: 18
ANTIQUO: 0
ABSTINEO: 1
A. Moravia Aurelia is appointed as Propraetrix of America Austroccidentalis



Item VI

Marcus Iulius Severus is appointed as Propraetor of Mexico

TGP UTI ROGAS
LAF Uti Rogas
GFBM: UTI ROGAS
QSP: UTI ROGAS
GEM: UTI ROGAS. A fine citizen who gives much to Nova Roma. He will continue to serve us well in Mexico.
CFBQ: He has my support. UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
FVG: Abstain
CCS: Uti rogas, she has my confidence. I also support L. Junius Bassus as Propraetor of California and I'm not happy that Senate is not allowed to vote about that.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
GPL: UTI ROGAS
PMS: UTI ROGAS
MCJ: UTI ROGAS
MMA: YES, MMA
LECA: Vti Rogas
MAB: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
MMH: UTI ROGAS
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
[GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
QFM: ABSTAINO. How many citizens are in Mexico right now? Enough to justify a Propraetor? (post 6 am)
ATS: Vt� rog�s. It�s my understanding that he holds meetings of citizens in his home area, and has been active in that and other aspects of the provincial life. (post 6 am)
GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
[DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)

UTI ROGAS: 18
ANTIQUO:
ABSTINEO: 1
Marcus Iulius Severus is appointed as Propraetor of Mexico



Item VII

F. Apulus Caesar is appointed as Proconsul of Italia

TGP UTI ROGAS
LAF Uti Rogas
GFBM: UTI ROGAS
QSP: UTI ROGAS
GEM: UTI ROGAS. One of our very best.
CFBQ: UTI ROGAS. I am happy to see my old friend working so hard fro the Res Publica
in our motherland Italia.
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
FVG: Abstain
CCS: Uti rogas, she has my confidence. I also support L. Junius Bassus as Propraetor of California and I'm not happy that Senate is not allowed to vote about that.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
GPL: UTI ROGAS
PMS: UTI ROGAS
MCJ: UTI ROGAS
MMA: YES, MMA
LECA: Vti Rogas
MAB: Uti Rogas
FAC: ABSTINEO
MMH: UTI ROGAS
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
[GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am) I vote to appoint F Apulus Caesar but point out that, according to the senatus consultum approved in the last session, his title should be Praefectus Italiae.
QFM: ANTIQVO (post 6 am)
ATS: I am not sure if this is the correct title, but again, the thought counts, so ut� rog�s. (post 6 am)
GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
[DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)

UTI ROGAS: 17
ANTIQUO:
ABSTINEO: 2
F. Apulus Caesar is appointed as Proconsul of Italia. (Praefectus Italiae)

Item VIII

M. Iulius Severus is appointed interpreter of Spanish

TGP UTI ROGAS
LAF Uti Rogas
GFBM: UTI ROGAS
QSP: UTI ROGAS
GEM: UTI ROGAS. Severus is certainly up to the task.
CFBQ: UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
FVG: Abstain
CCS: Uti rogas.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
GPL: UTI ROGAS
PMS: UTI ROGAS
MCJ: UTI ROGAS
MMA: YES, MMA
LECA: Vti Rogas
MBA: Uti Rogas
FCA: VTI ROGAS
MMH: UTI ROGAS
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
[GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
QFM: VTIROGAS (post 6 am)
ATS: Vt� rog�s. (post 6 am)
GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
[DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)

UTI ROGAS: 18
ANTIQUO:
ABSTINEO: 1
M. Iulius Severus is appointed interpreter of Spanish



Item IX

Publius Constantinus Placidus is appointed interpreter of Italian.

TGP UTI ROGAS
LAF Uti Rogas
GFBM: UTI ROGAS
QSP: UTI ROGAS
GEM: UTI ROGAS.
CFBQ: UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
FVG: Abstain
CCS: Uti rogas.
GPL: UTI ROGAS
PMS: UTI ROGAS
MCJ: UTI ROGAS
MMA: YES, MMA
LECA: Vti Rogas
MAB: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
MMH: UTI ROGAS
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
[GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
QFM: VTIROGAS (post 6 am)
ATS: Vt� rog�s. (post 6 am)
GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
[DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)

UTI ROGAS: 18
ANTIQUO:
ABSTINEO: 1
Publius Constantinus Placidus is appointed interpreter of Italian.



Item X

A. Tullia Scholastica is appointed interpreter of Latin

TGP UTI ROGAS
LAF Uti Rogas. Taking Consul Publicola as an example, I will have to do something which hurts me too much. However, People and the gods had chose me Consul to act boldly, although actually I hate this speech I am only obligued by facts to do. Let me use this vote to dennounce the abuse of power Consul Paulinus did on this election to all people. Citizen L. Iunius Bassus asked rightfully to become propraetor of California. Bassus is completely able to become governor by NR law. But by an abuse of power, Consul Paulinus denied to put its name to this election, thinking he �was too new�. Well, the one who have to decide if a citizen is new or not is the Senate, since Bassus is allowed by NR law to become governor. Is the will of Paulinus
bigger than the law, quirites? By dening the right of a citizen to have its name legally submitted to the Senate, Consul Paulinus tarnished its name. By dening the Senate the right to choose, Consul Paulinus throwed to the ground all balance of powers of the Roman Republic. Let me know to people, only the tight agenda of this prevented me or the Tribunes to act. But Consul Faustus will not take out the rights of the Senate, neither the right of the People. I
myself will call the Senate to vote the name of Bassus. California shall not be let alone. Nothing on NR law prevent Bassus to become governor. Nothing prevent its name to be submited to the Senate. If Consul Paulinus wants to decide alone, he will have to decide by its own vote, like me or any other Senator. And I pray to Iove Optimus Maximus that while NR existis, such abuse of power will never more be allowed. It is a shame for the Republic, on such time full of shame,
that a Consul make such blatant abuse of authority. I ask the Tribunes, Praetores and Senatores a close watch to never let any other Consul fall on the same temptation of autocracy.
GFBM: UTI ROGAS
QSP: UTI ROGAS
GEM: UTI ROGAS. Scholastica is one of our finest Latinists.
CFBQ: UTI ROGAS
MOG: UTI ROGAS.
FVG: Yes
CCS: Uti rogas.
SAS: Uti Rogas.
GPL: UTI ROGAS
PMS: UTI ROGAS
MCJ: UTI ROGAS
MMA: YES, MMA
LECA: Vti Rogas
MAB: Uti Rogas
FAC: VTI ROGAS
MMH: UTI ROGAS
ATMC - UTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
[GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
QFM: VTI ROGAS (post 6 am)
ATS: Abstineo (post 6 am).
GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
[DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)

UTI ROGAS: 19
ANTIQUO:
ABSTINEO
A. Tullia Scholastica is appointed interpreter of Latin

Valete bene

M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
NOVA ROMA
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ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima

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P. Memmius Albucius Praetori Catoni s.d.

Salve Praetor,

You say :

> Albucius, the edict can of course not logically include itself, so
> that is a fallacious argument.

This is not your edict which does not respect itself, but your
following interventions. To be logical on this point, you should have
stop your moderating office just after your edict issue.
I note furthermore that your edict has not except yourself of the
scope of your edictum.

> The posting of messages 49073 & 49075 (..) are merely answers to
>questions about the edict itself, and therefore do not violate the

edict.

You might have posted *as a simple citizen*, but not as a praetor
(pls see above). In these posts, you posted obviously as praetor,
going on working as other constitutional powers should, according
your edict, been mute.

> The idea that since the pontiffs have issued the calendar the edict

is

> unnecessary is incorrect. The pontiffs have the power to issue the
> calendar, and this edict enforces the legal observance of that
> calendar.

I respectfully disagree : the magistrates do not have the right
to "add" or "complete" the issuings, decisions or decreta by our
religious institutions (see pls my answer to Sacerdos Cassius).

> I am not changing the nature of the days of the calendar,
> simply issuing instructions on how they are to be observed in
> accordance with ancient practice.

It is not useful, Cato : we all know them. What would have been
useful, as you often do in your pedagogical posts, is just issuing a
reminder.

> The way to look at this edict is to ask first, "what did the Romans
> do?" and then, "does this bring us closer to ancient practice?" If
> this edict fails those two questions, then my colleague in the
> praetorship, the consuls, or any tribune of the plebs can simply
>veto
> this it if they feel it necessary to do so.

Fallacious argument, did you say above ? You know prefectly, Praetor,
that it is not because your intents are good that your edict(um) is
constitutional.

> I feel that I have given fair and clear explanation as to why this
> edict positively answers those questions.

Thanks very much for having answered so quickly.
Please consider again my humble request and please withdraw the edict.

Vale,


P. Memmius Albucius

P. Memmius Albucius omnibus magistratibus civitibusque s.d.


Please find below, in French and English, the designation edicts of
Hon. L. Rutilius Minervalis and S. Apollonius Scipio as praefecti
Galliae.

This designation concerns the field(s) precised in the edicts.

Thanks for your attention.



Valete Magistri et omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
Propr. Galliae

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EDIT DU PROPRETEUR DE GAULE (n° 59-40)
concernant
la désignation d'un préfet


Moi, Publius Memmius Albucius, propréteur de Gaule, par l'autorité
dont la constitution, les lois et le Sénat de Nova Roma m'ont investi,

Vu mon édit 59-38 du 12 décembre 2006 « concernant l'organisation de
la province de Gaule » ;

Considérant que Sextus Apollonius Scipio, ancien gouverneur de Gaule,
remplit toutes les compétences et conditions requises pour assurer
une préfecture au sein de l'organisation de la Gaule,

Edicte :


Article 1 :

Sextus Apollonius Scipio est désigné par la présente préfet de Gaule
(praefectus Galliae).


Article 2 :

Le préfet Sextus Apollonius Scipio exerce ses fonctions dans le cadre
des pouvoirs qui lui sont conférés par l'édit 59-38.

Il assure notamment la représentation de la province de Gaule au sein
du collège interprovincial du Conventus européen.


Article 3 :

Un édit ultérieur précisera, le cas échéant, les autres champs
thématiques de l'action publique qui seront confiés en sus au préfet
Sextus Apollonius Scipio.


Article 4

Les officiers publics concernés de la province de Gaule et leurs
services sont responsables, chacun en ce qui les concerne, de
l'exécution du présent édit, qui sera publié dans le recueil des
édits de la province.


Fait à Cadomagus, cité des Viducasses, Gaule, pridie Idus Feb.
MMDCCLX a.u.c. (12 février 2007 è. c.) pendant le consulat de L.
Arminius Faustus et de Ti. Galerius Paulinus.

______________________________________________________________________
___________________


PROPRAETOR OF GAUL EDICT (n° 59-40)
concerning
the appointment of a prefect


I, Publius Memmius Albucius, Propraetor of Gaul, by the authority
vested in me by the constitution, the laws and the Senate of Nova
Roma,

In view of my edict 59-38 adopted on 12th december 2006 (pridie Idus
dec. MMDCCLIX a.u.c.), concerning the organisation of the province of
Gaul ;

Considering that Sextus Apollonius Scipio, once governor of Gaul,
fulfills all the skills and conditions asked to take in charge the
legation of a region of the province of Gaul ;

Edicts :


Article 1 :

Sextus Apollonius Scipio is appointed prefect of Gaul (praefectus
Galliae).

Article 2 :

Prefect Sextus Apollonius Scipio fulfills his duties in the frame
defined by the edict 59-38.

He specially represents the province of Gaul in the European
Conventus interprovincial college.

Article 3 :

A later edict will precise, if necessary, the other thematical fields
of public action which will be furthermore delegated to Prefect
Sextus Apollonius Scipio.


Article 4

Every public Gaul officer and her/his service must, as far as each
one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be published
in the compendium of the edicts of the province of Gaul.


Issued in Cadomagus, civ. Viducassium, Gaul, pridie Idus Feb. MMDCCLX
a.u.c. (12th Feb. 2007 c.e.) during the consulate of L. Arminius
Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus.

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EDIT DU PROPRETEUR DE GAULE (n° 59-41)
concernant
la désignation d'un préfet


Moi, Publius Memmius Albucius, propréteur de Gaule, par l'autorité
dont la constitution, les lois et le Sénat de Nova Roma m'ont investi,

Vu mon édit 59-38 (10 juillet 2004) « concernant l'organisation de la
province de Gaule » ;

Considérant que Lucius Rutilius Minervalis, ancien gouverneur et
présentement légat de Gaule, remplit toutes les compétences et
conditions requises pour assurer une préfecture de la province de
Gaule,

Edicte :


Article 1 :

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis est désigné par la présente préfet de
Gaule (praefectus Galliae).


Article 2 :

Le préfet Lucius Rutilius Minervalis exerce ses fonctions dans le
cadre des pouvoirs qui lui sont conférés par l'édit 59-38.

Il assure notamment :
- le suivi du projet Magrathea,
- le suivi technique et la maintenance du site web de la province de
Gaule,
- le suivi technique, la maintenance et la traduction des pages
réservées à ladite province dans le site
« wiki » central de Nova Roma.

Article 3 :

Un édit ultérieur précisera, le cas échéant, les autres champs
thématiques de l'action publique qui seront confiés en sus au préfet
Lucius Rutilius Minervalis.

Article 4 :

La présente désignation ne donne droit, conformément à la législation
de Nova Roma, à aucun cumul de points centuriates ou d'avantages
quelconques que pourrait exciper l'intéressé, notamment au titre de
la loi Fabia sur les centuries.


Article 5
Les officiers publics concernés de la province de Gaule et leurs
services sont responsables, chacun en ce qui les concerne, de
l'exécution du présent édit, qui sera publié dans le recueil des
édits de la province.


Fait à Cadomagus, cité des Viducasses, Gaule, pridie Idus Feb.
MMDCCLX a.u.c. (12 février 2007 è. c.) pendant le consulat de L.
Arminius Faustus et de Ti. Galerius Paulinus.

______________________________________________________________________
___________________


PROPRAETOR OF GAUL EDICT (n° 59-40)
concerning
the appointment of a prefect


I, Publius Memmius Albucius, Propraetor of Gaul, by the authority
vested in me by the constitution, the laws and the Senate of Nova
Roma,

In view of my edict 59-38 adopted on 12th december 2006 (pridie Idus
dec. MMDCCLIX a.u.c.), concerning the organisation of the province of
Gaul ;

Considering that Lucius Rutilius Minervalis, once governor and
currently legate of Gaul, fulfills all the skills and conditions
asked to a prefect of the province of Gaul ;

Edicts :


Article 1 :

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis is appointed prefect of Gaul (praefectus
Galliae).

Article 2 :

Prefect Lucius Rutilius Minervalis fulfills his duties in the frame
defined by the edict 59-38.

He specially takes in charge :
- the survey of project Magrathea,
- the technical survey and the maintenance of Gallia web site,
- the technical survey, the maintenance and the translation of the
pages reserved to Gallia in the
« wiki » central site of Nova Roma.

Article 3 :

A later edict will precise, if necessary, the other thematical
fields of public action which will be furthermore delegated to
prefect Lucius Rutilius Minervalis.


Article 4 :

The present appointment does not authorize Lucius Rutilius
Minervalis, according the law of Nova Roma, to receive specific
century points or any specific advantage that he could claim,
specially according Law Fabia centuriata.


Article 5 :

Every public Gaul officer and her/his service must, as far as each
one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be published
in the compendium of the edicts of the province of Gaul.


Issued in Cadomagus, civ. Viducassium, Gaul, pridie Idus Feb. MMDCCLX
a.u.c. (12th Feb. 2007 c.e.) during the consulate of L. Arminius
Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus.

Q. Caecilius Metellus Pontifex C. Equitio Catoni Quiritibusque salutem.

Let me first ask our good praetor to make one minor correction, which is
that the "Parentalia" in the title of his edict should be
"Parentalibus", syntactically.

Aside from that, no matter how we slice C. Equitius' edict in regard to
its adherence to the lex constitutiva, I feel that we will ultimately
find ourselves at an impasse. There is an argument, which has been put
forth by one party, that the authority to suspend public actions is
wanting for him, pointing to the section in the lex constitutiva (which
I'll abbreviate as l.c. herein) that relates to the public sacred
institutions. There is also the argument, put forth by another party,
that in fact all the necessary authority for the edict in question is
granted by the section of the l.c. dealing with his duties as praetor.
There could even be yet another argument, which I will put forth, that
he has the authority, in that, as a magistratus cum imperio, he has the
authority to interpret the law and act upon that interpretation, unless
superior authority (i.e., consular or dictatorial) overrules. We could
argue these three points endlessly, but until and unless superior
authority overrules the edict, or intercession is pronounced by three of
our four tribunes, the edict stands.

At any rate, I will say that I support the edictum which C. Equitius has
given. I lend my support to it for the following reasons:

1. While some would say that he may be impinging on the authority of the
Collegium Pontificum, I disagree. The Collegium Pontificum has decreed
the calendar, and he has upheld it. If he has done anything more, he
has only taken it further, so as to require of inferior magistrates that
no new public business be undertaken during the period. As it were, all
the days which he has mentioned are dies religiosi, during which it was
customary that little, if any, public was undertaken.

2. In issuing this edict, I find that the praetor is executing his duty,
as he sees it (and with which I agree), as it is presented in the l.c.

and, 3. In issuing this edict, the praetor is working to ensure, as the
l.c. requires all public officers, that the divinities of the public
cult are honoured. This is something which we should all continue to
work toward, to no end.

Without the slightest hesitation I lend my support to the praetor in
taking this action, and I thank him for so doing. As I say, we can
argue the finer points of law and jurisprudence on this issue, but I
truly believe that we will find ourselves continuing to argue the points
until time ceases to be. Let the edict stand, and let us uphold the
customs of our ancestors.

Having been requested by the Praetor G. Equitius Cato to render a
judgment on a matter of religious law, I reply with the following
responsum:

I. It is congruent with lex sacra, lex publica, and the mos maiorum
for a praetor to issue edicta implementing public matters following
from religious law on which the Collegium Pontificum has ruled. The
edictum in question implements a decretum of the Collegium Pontificum
on the calendar in regard to the activity of citizens in their public
life, and there is ample precedent for a praetor so acting from Roma
antiqua.

II. On dies nefasti and nefasti publici it is absolutely prohibited
for the comitia to be convened, to hold contio, or to vote, and for
the law courts to hear actions, jurors to consider cases, or iudices
or praetores to issue judgments or inflict public punishments. It is
not prohibited on such days for the Senate to meet, although it should
do so only on matters of great import in accordance with custom, nor
for magistrates who are not discharging matters pertaining to legal
judgment or the comitia to do so.

III. It is prohibited on dies nefasti and nefasti publici to engage
in gainful manual labour or to cause animals to engage in such labour,
although to the extent that citizens are compelled by necessity to do
so, they may expiate that vitium by making an offering of incense,
food, or wine to the deity or deities to whom the day is sacred.
Labour required by military necessity is not prohibited. In order to
provide a suitable example, it is urged that magistrates avoid, if
possible, non-prohibited public work on dies nefasti or nefasti
publici, although they are not required to do so and failing to do so
does not constitute a vitium.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Pontifex and Flamen Quirinalis

Salvette Omne,
My fellow Romans I offer my apologies for my absence, but affairs of a
military nature have dragged me away. At this point in time I offer
my services back to our great Republic. As Tribune I shall honour
this position with hard work and dedication. Feel free to call upon
me at anytime.

Marcus Sejanus

<I suspect that it is one of the persons involved in the mass defection,
<wanting to stir up trouble among loyalists.

Possibly Octavius, but if his numbers are correct then there are precious
few loyalists left in Spain anyway, so no hard done.

Vale,
Diana

Salve M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS,

While you may not agree with gentisanglorum (which is good enough of a
'signature' for me), not signing one's email is not cause for moderation or
banning from this main list.
If one wanted to pit knicks, then one could also say that the way you sign
your name (all block letters with dots in between and the v's for the u's)
is hard on the eyes and so maybe you need to be on moderation as well. :-)
Vale,
Diana

----- Original Message -----
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To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:06 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] UNSIGNED MESSAGES


Salvete Praetores et salvete omnes civibus Novae Romae.

I want to request to the Praetores that the messages of those people, who is
not citizen and who speak of policy and subjects of NR and who do not sign
the posts must be moderated or banned.

Valete

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

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L. Iunius M. Seiano sal.

Good to have you back, Marce Seiane. I look forward to continuing our correspondence.

Vale.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "legio_vi_tribunis" <marcus.sejanus@...> wrote:
>
> Salvette Omne,
> My fellow Romans I offer my apologies for my absence, but affairs of a
> military nature have dragged me away. At this point in time I offer
> my services back to our great Republic. As Tribune I shall honour
> this position with hard work and dedication. Feel free to call upon
> me at anytime.
>
> Marcus Sejanus
>

Cn. Iulius Caesar Q. Caecilio Metello sal

Salve Metelle.

I would like your opinion on what follows below.

The Parentalia was essentially an occasion for families, rather than
a state festival was it not? I don't see it listed in the Responsum
Pontificum de Feriis MMDCCLX. The Feralia of course is listed. Would
it be correct to say that the Parentalia and Feralia were thus
interconnected in the sense that they were part of the same thread,
the former being the private element and the latter being the state
element and the conclusion, marked by the opening of the temples?

If this is, more or less, correct then I believe that the action of
Cato Praetor does not impinge on the rights of the Collegium
Pontificum because the Parentalia is not specifically a state
festival, and the Collegium controls only the Religio Romana at the
level of state and nation (Constitution VI.B) and thus as far as the
Parentalia is concerned not being a state festival it does not fall
under the jurisdiction of the Collegium Pontificum, not least of
which because it isn't included in the list of festivals in the
Responsum.

Therefore the right of the Collegium to determine the effect of
festivals (Constitution VI.B.I.a) has not been specifically impinged
on, since the prerequisite is that for this to happen the Parentalia
must be a state festival, which it wasn't I think historically and as
far as Nova Roma is concerned isn't anyway as it isn't on the list in
the Responsum.

Therefore Cato Prateor has the jursidiction both in terms of
advancing the goals of Nova Roma, in this case through facilitating
the private observance of the Parentalia, an integral part
historically of the same thread of observance that concluded with the
Feralia (a state festival), and has not violated any constitutional
perogative of the Collegium Pontificum in respect of state festivals.
Indeed it seems to me that Cato Prateor is in effect facilitating the
full observance of the Feralia by facilitating the observance of the
Parentalia.

Would this, in your view, be correct?



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
<postumianus@...> wrote:

>
> Q. Caecilius Metellus Pontifex C. Equitio Catoni Quiritibusque

salutem.

>
> Let me first ask our good praetor to make one minor correction,

which is

> that the "Parentalia" in the title of his edict should be
> "Parentalibus", syntactically.

---Pompeia Minucia Strabo G. Iulio Scauro S.P.D.

Thank you for your informative responsum.

One question, and this is in regard to some information given by P.
Memmius Albucius earlier today. I checked the calendar after Albucius
claims that there are indeed comitiales in this calendar period
covered by the Praetores edict. And there are. Six of them in fact.

I appreciate what you are saying below about restrictions of nefasti,
nefasti publici, die nefasti. But my understanding, with respect to
the Religio, is that comitiales have been presanctioned by the
Collegium Pontificum as dates upon which public business could be held
if need be, and comitia called.

So in this regard, the edict of the Praetor as written, is not infact
completely congruent with the Collegium's established calendar after
all. Perhaps the Praetor didn't realize the calendar had these comitiales.

From a legal/civil standpoint, it is within the Praetor's authority to
issue the edict, no dispute there; but unless those with greater
imperium or sacrosainct potestas agree to be bound by its terms, which
includes their forfeiture of official use of comitiales from now until
the Kalends Mars, intercessio is certainly a possibility.

vale




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Rose" <gregory.rose@...> wrote:

>
> Having been requested by the Praetor G. Equitius Cato to render a
> judgment on a matter of religious law, I reply with the following
> responsum:
>
> I. It is congruent with lex sacra, lex publica, and the mos maiorum
> for a praetor to issue edicta implementing public matters following
> from religious law on which the Collegium Pontificum has ruled. The
> edictum in question implements a decretum of the Collegium Pontificum
> on the calendar in regard to the activity of citizens in their public
> life, and there is ample precedent for a praetor so acting from Roma
> antiqua.
>
> II. On dies nefasti and nefasti publici it is absolutely prohibited
> for the comitia to be convened, to hold contio, or to vote, and for
> the law courts to hear actions, jurors to consider cases, or iudices
> or praetores to issue judgments or inflict public punishments. It is
> not prohibited on such days for the Senate to meet, although it should
> do so only on matters of great import in accordance with custom, nor
> for magistrates who are not discharging matters pertaining to legal
> judgment or the comitia to do so.
>
> III. It is prohibited on dies nefasti and nefasti publici to engage
> in gainful manual labour or to cause animals to engage in such labour,
> although to the extent that citizens are compelled by necessity to do
> so, they may expiate that vitium by making an offering of incense,
> food, or wine to the deity or deities to whom the day is sacred.
> Labour required by military necessity is not prohibited. In order to
> provide a suitable example, it is urged that magistrates avoid, if
> possible, non-prohibited public work on dies nefasti or nefasti
> publici, although they are not required to do so and failing to do so
> does not constitute a vitium.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
> Pontifex and Flamen Quirinalis
>

Scaurus Straboni SPD.

Since the praetor's edictum in this regard can only implement a
decretum of the Collegium, it cannot, in principle, exceed the
provisions of the underlying calendrical decretum. This being so, I
read the edictum as enforcing the relevant points of law only on the
relevant dies nefasti and nefasti publici, since there is no
underlying religious prohibition applying to dies comitiales (unless
they are atri or religiosi, both of which supersede the day's comitial
status).

Vale.

Scaurus

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

My wife and I left Nashville late on Thursday afternoon and arrived
in Mobile about 9 PM. After a late dinner at Wintzell's Oyster
House (gumbo, mudtails, and ettouffe aka A-2-Fay) we arrived at the
Brookley Center only to discover that they had no key for us. We
stayed at another hotel a few minutes away. The directions from
Rusty Myers and the Museum were very good and we did not get lost.

Early Friday, we went into Mobile to set up the tents for Mensa
Romana. The weather was cold and blustery (about 40-45 degrees) but
we got set up with some assistance from the good citizens of The
Roman Way out of Texas who also loaned us some stakes and ropes.
After getting the tents, tables, chairs, blankets, and merchandise
set, we returned to the Brookley Center to find out why they had no
key for us the previous night.

The lady who runs the BC reservation office is Mrs. Davis. She
insisted that my wife, whose name is on the reservation letter,
called her on Monday and cancelled the reservation. She swore that
my wife had spoken with her personally. She also told me that she
had no memory of speaking with me on Thursday afternoon when she
told me my reservation was intact & the key would be waiting for me.
After insisting that we get a room, she gave us the original one
that was on my reservation but would not even discuss compensating
us for the extra money for the other hotel since we had "cancelled
our original reservation". We did get the agreed price.
PIECE OF ADVICE: Deal with Mrs. Davis only by email & save printed
copies of all of her communications or try to deal with Mrs. Owens,
who is a lot nicer, honest, and more polite than her boss.

The room was large & comfortable, with small fridge, microwave, and
two beds plus a sitting section with couch & chair. We had a
beautiful view of Mobile Bay from the west beyond the golf course.
The only downside of the Brookley Center is that there was a
warehouse for Mardi Gras floats on the road coming in from I-10 &
the road was blocked several times during our stay. Fortunately, one
can come into the Center off of the Michigan St. Exit.

After leaving my wife Tish there to rest and take care of some
personal business she had to do during the day, I returned to the
Castra Romana. The day was absolutely miserable--cloudy, cold,
windy, and uncomfortable. It was so unpleasant, I had to purchase
an additional wool tunic and Pannonian hat from another vendor just
to survive. The Gulf Coast Exploreum staff was great and fed us
lunch in the museum & gave us a room to warm up in when needed. The
parking was free and very close to the museum. By the late
afternoon, we had five vendors and about forty reenactors on site.
We were also beginning to receive notices that due to the bad
weather along the eastern states down to Florida, there were many
cancelled flights and impossible road conditions. It looked very
likely that we would not have a full century of soldiers on site.
About four o'clock the sun made a brief appearance before
disappearing behind the clouds. Almost no customers on Friday.
Shortly thereafter, I packed away my merchandise which the folks
from The Roman Way allowed me to store in their closed tent. I left
before the parade and returned to the Brookley Center where my wife
promptly made fun of my hat. Big surprise there (not)!

I changed clothes and we took a long drive down to Dauphin Island; a
barrier island on the entrance to Mobile Bay that fronts on the Gulf
of Mexico. We drove down to the east end of the island near
Historic Ft. Gaines and walked out to the end of the jetty where we
watched the surf crash into the rocks as a stiff wind blew inland.
Under a full moon in a mostly clear sky with Orion overhead, we
wished each other a Happy Groundhog Day & Imbolc. After this we sat
in the car awhile listening to Jimmy Buffet's "Songs You Know By
Heart" and watched the waves come in. "Mother, Mother Ocean, I have
heard Your call . . ." Later we had dinner at The Landing on Hwy.
193 North-seafood fetuccini, reef chowder, fried shrimp, jambalaya,
crawfish spaghetti, hushpuppies. After a long drive back to the
Brookley Center, we had a good night's sleep.

Chapter II

Saturday morning was clear and cool with a lot less wind but I still
took the precaution of dressing out in many layers of fleece & wool
plus the aforementioned Pannonian hat. Efforts to rally my wife out
of bed for breakfast met with no success so I took off for the
Castra.

Aurelia & Marcus (The Roman Way) were very kind & had already placed
my boxes of goods under the tents so I could do a quick set up.
While putting out my merchandise, I got to see the century going
through their marching drills & the handling of sword and pilum.
With all due respect to the centurions & optios, they needed some
help keeping their ranks on the advance but were otherwise very
good. I came to understand that part of the problem with the
formations had to do with a sudden switch in the command orders from
the original set published on the Castra website to a set used by
the centurion from Legio XIIII GMV. That fellow is certainly sharp
looking but is not so good on group dynamics. The pay and ration
ceremonies were also interesting. I also set out a stack of flyers
for
Nova Roma & Provincia America Austrorientalis for the public.

I did very well on purchases from both the participants & the
general public while I answered many questions about the Religio
Romana and domestic & social life in Old Rome. Many young people
offered very good questions and were, for the most part, well
behaved & polite. Sextus Galerius Dolabella from Legio V Alaudae
("The Larks") put out some of his hand-made pila for sell at my
booth. These were very well made versions of the light pilum &
worth every sestertius (i.e., $65).

There were morning shows by the gladiatorial school with many
pairings--myrmillo vs Thraex, secutor vs retarius, hoplomachus vs
Thraex or myrmillo, velite vs velite, plus a few criminals being put
to the sword by the experienced fighters. One poor devil was
executed for the many offenses of failing to put the seat down in
the balneum.

At 2 p.m., there was a short Mardi Gras parade that moved down two
streets adjacent to our site with much throwing of beads, stuffed
animals, cups, oatmeal cakes, and Moon Pies. I heard about the long
march that many of the soldiers had participated in the night before
with the constant cries of Mobile's mounted urban vigiles to "Close
up! Close up!" Ercule, don't they realize that marching in sixty
pounds of gear on hard streets can be very painful? It made me glad
that I had not participated.

Lady Gwenhyvar & her company of SCAdian barbarians prepared a pot of
fine spiced lentils as well as pickled onions & bread to hand out to
the participants and the general public. It was delicious (burp);
excuse me. It gave me a good idea that the dinner they were
preparing for Saturday night was going to be outstanding. Of
course, I did not pass on the opportunity to enjoy some of the
genuine Carnival cuisine of corn dogs & funnel cake from a local
vendor.

I also made the acquaintance of a number of participants from the
various groups. Caius Fabius is one of the most interesting
individuals I have ever had the opportunity to meet. His depth of
knowledge is extraordinary. "Edge" from Legio III was also quite an
amusing sort of fellow along the cornicen [?] who ran around all
weekend in his 'bear' skin.

I did not get very far from my booth most of the day because of
customers so I did not get to listen in on any of the lectures or
discussions around the camp. Some questions and talk with the
public gave me the impression that a lot of good information had
been passed around. By late afternoon, I was ready to leave but
made two more sells (wine cups & an oil lamp) to some of the
participants just before I left to pick up my wife.

We returned downtown in time to catch the tail end of the evening
parade and were able to catch some beads & toys as souvenirs for our
granddaughter. After this, we took a tour of the museum exhibit on
Pompeii. I have to say that this was a very impressive show; just
as good as the one we had seen in December at the Fernbank in
Atlanta. There were a number of recreated furniture & domestic
items as well as original artifacts. The most poignant part of the
show were the body casts of those that had died in the eruption of
Vesuvius. It was almost overwhelming to imagine what those poor
souls had endured just before their passing to the next world.
RIP.

Dinner was indeed outstanding. The menu was (as I recall)--muslsum
(or soda); bread accompanied by moretum, olive relish, or a sweet
paste; chicken with green sauce; pork with a peach sauce;
chickpeas; a salad; pickled cucumbers; various raw vegetables; cake;
pastry; and a patina of pears. Yum-yum! Eat it all up! And then
seconds on the chicken & moretum. My Pannonian hat is off to the
ladies & gentlemen who prepared this repast. I also put my skills
as an unctore to use by giving them each a quick massage after the
feast.

Rusty Myers & Debra Garlo gave a brief speech of thanks and
information to us about the event which we greeted with applause.
We also sang "Happy Birthday" in Latin to a lady who was celebrating
her dies natalis.

All in all, a wonderful day followed by a good night's sleep.
Thanks to everyone who put on this event and welcomed us to Mobile.

Chapter III

Sunday dawned and we slept through it without a hitch. Tish & I
eventually woke up around 7:45 a.m., got dressed, packed and checked
out. A quick trip to a local Cracker Barrel for breakfast was
followed by fuelling up & heading out to the Castra.

My original intent was to pack up and head back to Nashville by noon
but on arrival I discovered that the Legio V had raided my tent in
the night and bought up all of my remaining oil, garum, and
oxygarum. Well, that was a good start to the day so I decided to
drag my tables out from under the tents & set up my merchandise
while I took down the tents & loaded the car. Business was very
brisk and I was soon sold out of all but two plates plus I sold
several devotional images of Dii Immortales. I even sold a lararium
plaque to Dr. Donaldson, the author of "The Cult of Isis in the
Roman Empire."

I received some assistance from Sam Agarwal from Gift Intl. Co. (aka
Deepeeka) getting the stakes out of the ground so I could return
them to the citizens from The Roman Way (thanks Laura, Mike, Linda
et al). I apparently had driven the stakes into the only solid clod
of soil on the site not adulterated with sand. By 1 p.m., I had
reduced my original three boxes of merchandise to only one box so I
decided to go ahead & pack up the rest.

Tish & I had one more quick visit to the museum gift shops for more
stuff for ourselves and granddaughter before leaving. I also raided
the fenced area behind the fence at Ft. Conde for more beads from
the previous parade. By 2 p.m., we had made our goodbyes to
everyone and were on the way to the U.S.S. Alabama Battleship Park.
We oohed and aahed over the battleship, the sub, the planes, and
armored vehicles before going on a quest to find a beach so we could
pay our final homage to Neptunus Pater and Goddess of the Gulf.

After several false starts and stops, we eventually wound up on the
east side of Mobile Bay off Scenic Hwy. 98 in the beautiful little
township of Fairhope. We found our beach, collected shells, and
dabbled our feet in the waters of the Bay. Thanks to Officer Josie
and Marshall Chapman for the assistance to locate the beach. We
left the beach and travelled up to the Pelican Point Yacht Club,
where we did find pelicans, to have dinner. The food was good with
the best gumbo we had the whole trip along with huge portions of
fried mudbugs, shrimp, scallops, and potatoes. Even the side salad
was huge. We decided to hit the road just as the sun was beginning
to descend in the West and the first TD of the Super Bowl was scored
on kickoff.

I figured that there would be almost no men and few women on the
road until at least 10 p.m. so we expected to make very good time.
As we crossed the I-10 Causeway back into Mobile, the sky was
painted with a fiery, red sunset as a backdrop to the U.S.S.
Alabama. Ercule! but that was worth the whole trip.

Trip home was mostly empty interstate until we reached Montgomery
but even with two stops for fuel, food, and balneum we were back in
cheery, chilly Nashville by 1:00 a.m. Monday morning. More than
enough time for six hours of sleep and get to work on time.

Thanks to Rusty and all the folks from the Exploreum, Brookley
Center (except Mrs. Brooks), The Roman Way, Sextus Galerius, Legio
V/VI/IX/XI/XIIII, LaWren's Nest, Caius Fabius, Dan Peterson, Lady
Gwyhervar & Barony of Osprey, and everyone else who made the Castra
Romana such a wonderful event. Special prayers of gratitude to
Fortuna, Mercurius, and Neptunus for a speedy, safe trip with few
bumps. Ita est.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
Propraetor America Austrorientalis, NR
Flamen Cerialis
Candidate for Tribune of the Plebs, NR

Q. Caecilius Metellus Pontifex has said in part

"Without the slightest hesitation I lend my support to the praetor
in taking this action, and I thank him for so doing. As I say, we can
argue the finer points of law and jurisprudence on this issue, but I
truly believe that we will find ourselves continuing to argue the points
until time ceases to be. Let the edict stand, and let us uphold the
customs of our ancestors."

I agree with the Pontifex and the sprit in which the edict has been
issued. I will respectfully acquiesce in its continuation.


Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul

Salve FGA,
Thanks for that! It was interesting and fun to read. But I have one
question: do you have a photo of you with the Pannonian hat ? I mean, I only
want to see if your wife was being unfair to you when she laughed at it
:-)))
Vale,
Diana

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Pompeii Reborn & Castra Romana--A Narrative from
Austrorientalis


> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.
>
> My wife and I left Nashville late on Thursday afternoon and arrived
> in Mobile about 9 PM. After a late dinner at Wintzell's Oyster
> House (gumbo, mudtails, and ettouffe aka A-2-Fay) we arrived at the
> Brookley Center only to discover that they had no key for us. We
> stayed at another hotel a few minutes away. The directions from
> Rusty Myers and the Museum were very good and we did not get lost.
>
> Early Friday, we went into Mobile to set up the tents for Mensa
> Romana. The weather was cold and blustery (about 40-45 degrees) but
> we got set up with some assistance from the good citizens of The
> Roman Way out of Texas who also loaned us some stakes and ropes.
> After getting the tents, tables, chairs, blankets, and merchandise
> set, we returned to the Brookley Center to find out why they had no
> key for us the previous night.
>
> The lady who runs the BC reservation office is Mrs. Davis. She
> insisted that my wife, whose name is on the reservation letter,
> called her on Monday and cancelled the reservation. She swore that
> my wife had spoken with her personally. She also told me that she
> had no memory of speaking with me on Thursday afternoon when she
> told me my reservation was intact & the key would be waiting for me.
> After insisting that we get a room, she gave us the original one
> that was on my reservation but would not even discuss compensating
> us for the extra money for the other hotel since we had "cancelled
> our original reservation". We did get the agreed price.
> PIECE OF ADVICE: Deal with Mrs. Davis only by email & save printed
> copies of all of her communications or try to deal with Mrs. Owens,
> who is a lot nicer, honest, and more polite than her boss.
>
> The room was large & comfortable, with small fridge, microwave, and
> two beds plus a sitting section with couch & chair. We had a
> beautiful view of Mobile Bay from the west beyond the golf course.
> The only downside of the Brookley Center is that there was a
> warehouse for Mardi Gras floats on the road coming in from I-10 &
> the road was blocked several times during our stay. Fortunately, one
> can come into the Center off of the Michigan St. Exit.
>
> After leaving my wife Tish there to rest and take care of some
> personal business she had to do during the day, I returned to the
> Castra Romana. The day was absolutely miserable--cloudy, cold,
> windy, and uncomfortable. It was so unpleasant, I had to purchase
> an additional wool tunic and Pannonian hat from another vendor just
> to survive. The Gulf Coast Exploreum staff was great and fed us
> lunch in the museum & gave us a room to warm up in when needed. The
> parking was free and very close to the museum. By the late
> afternoon, we had five vendors and about forty reenactors on site.
> We were also beginning to receive notices that due to the bad
> weather along the eastern states down to Florida, there were many
> cancelled flights and impossible road conditions. It looked very
> likely that we would not have a full century of soldiers on site.
> About four o'clock the sun made a brief appearance before
> disappearing behind the clouds. Almost no customers on Friday.
> Shortly thereafter, I packed away my merchandise which the folks
> from The Roman Way allowed me to store in their closed tent. I left
> before the parade and returned to the Brookley Center where my wife
> promptly made fun of my hat. Big surprise there (not)!
>
> I changed clothes and we took a long drive down to Dauphin Island; a
> barrier island on the entrance to Mobile Bay that fronts on the Gulf
> of Mexico. We drove down to the east end of the island near
> Historic Ft. Gaines and walked out to the end of the jetty where we
> watched the surf crash into the rocks as a stiff wind blew inland.
> Under a full moon in a mostly clear sky with Orion overhead, we
> wished each other a Happy Groundhog Day & Imbolc. After this we sat
> in the car awhile listening to Jimmy Buffet's "Songs You Know By
> Heart" and watched the waves come in. "Mother, Mother Ocean, I have
> heard Your call . . ." Later we had dinner at The Landing on Hwy.
> 193 North-seafood fetuccini, reef chowder, fried shrimp, jambalaya,
> crawfish spaghetti, hushpuppies. After a long drive back to the
> Brookley Center, we had a good night's sleep.
>
> Chapter II
>
> Saturday morning was clear and cool with a lot less wind but I still
> took the precaution of dressing out in many layers of fleece & wool
> plus the aforementioned Pannonian hat. Efforts to rally my wife out
> of bed for breakfast met with no success so I took off for the
> Castra.
>
> Aurelia & Marcus (The Roman Way) were very kind & had already placed
> my boxes of goods under the tents so I could do a quick set up.
> While putting out my merchandise, I got to see the century going
> through their marching drills & the handling of sword and pilum.
> With all due respect to the centurions & optios, they needed some
> help keeping their ranks on the advance but were otherwise very
> good. I came to understand that part of the problem with the
> formations had to do with a sudden switch in the command orders from
> the original set published on the Castra website to a set used by
> the centurion from Legio XIIII GMV. That fellow is certainly sharp
> looking but is not so good on group dynamics. The pay and ration
> ceremonies were also interesting. I also set out a stack of flyers
> for
> Nova Roma & Provincia America Austrorientalis for the public.
>
> I did very well on purchases from both the participants & the
> general public while I answered many questions about the Religio
> Romana and domestic & social life in Old Rome. Many young people
> offered very good questions and were, for the most part, well
> behaved & polite. Sextus Galerius Dolabella from Legio V Alaudae
> ("The Larks") put out some of his hand-made pila for sell at my
> booth. These were very well made versions of the light pilum &
> worth every sestertius (i.e., $65).
>
> There were morning shows by the gladiatorial school with many
> pairings--myrmillo vs Thraex, secutor vs retarius, hoplomachus vs
> Thraex or myrmillo, velite vs velite, plus a few criminals being put
> to the sword by the experienced fighters. One poor devil was
> executed for the many offenses of failing to put the seat down in
> the balneum.
>
> At 2 p.m., there was a short Mardi Gras parade that moved down two
> streets adjacent to our site with much throwing of beads, stuffed
> animals, cups, oatmeal cakes, and Moon Pies. I heard about the long
> march that many of the soldiers had participated in the night before
> with the constant cries of Mobile's mounted urban vigiles to "Close
> up! Close up!" Ercule, don't they realize that marching in sixty
> pounds of gear on hard streets can be very painful? It made me glad
> that I had not participated.
>
> Lady Gwenhyvar & her company of SCAdian barbarians prepared a pot of
> fine spiced lentils as well as pickled onions & bread to hand out to
> the participants and the general public. It was delicious (burp);
> excuse me. It gave me a good idea that the dinner they were
> preparing for Saturday night was going to be outstanding. Of
> course, I did not pass on the opportunity to enjoy some of the
> genuine Carnival cuisine of corn dogs & funnel cake from a local
> vendor.
>
> I also made the acquaintance of a number of participants from the
> various groups. Caius Fabius is one of the most interesting
> individuals I have ever had the opportunity to meet. His depth of
> knowledge is extraordinary. "Edge" from Legio III was also quite an
> amusing sort of fellow along the cornicen [?] who ran around all
> weekend in his 'bear' skin.
>
> I did not get very far from my booth most of the day because of
> customers so I did not get to listen in on any of the lectures or
> discussions around the camp. Some questions and talk with the
> public gave me the impression that a lot of good information had
> been passed around. By late afternoon, I was ready to leave but
> made two more sells (wine cups & an oil lamp) to some of the
> participants just before I left to pick up my wife.
>
> We returned downtown in time to catch the tail end of the evening
> parade and were able to catch some beads & toys as souvenirs for our
> granddaughter. After this, we took a tour of the museum exhibit on
> Pompeii. I have to say that this was a very impressive show; just
> as good as the one we had seen in December at the Fernbank in
> Atlanta. There were a number of recreated furniture & domestic
> items as well as original artifacts. The most poignant part of the
> show were the body casts of those that had died in the eruption of
> Vesuvius. It was almost overwhelming to imagine what those poor
> souls had endured just before their passing to the next world.
> RIP.
>
> Dinner was indeed outstanding. The menu was (as I recall)--muslsum
> (or soda); bread accompanied by moretum, olive relish, or a sweet
> paste; chicken with green sauce; pork with a peach sauce;
> chickpeas; a salad; pickled cucumbers; various raw vegetables; cake;
> pastry; and a patina of pears. Yum-yum! Eat it all up! And then
> seconds on the chicken & moretum. My Pannonian hat is off to the
> ladies & gentlemen who prepared this repast. I also put my skills
> as an unctore to use by giving them each a quick massage after the
> feast.
>
> Rusty Myers & Debra Garlo gave a brief speech of thanks and
> information to us about the event which we greeted with applause.
> We also sang "Happy Birthday" in Latin to a lady who was celebrating
> her dies natalis.
>
> All in all, a wonderful day followed by a good night's sleep.
> Thanks to everyone who put on this event and welcomed us to Mobile.
>
> Chapter III
>
> Sunday dawned and we slept through it without a hitch. Tish & I
> eventually woke up around 7:45 a.m., got dressed, packed and checked
> out. A quick trip to a local Cracker Barrel for breakfast was
> followed by fuelling up & heading out to the Castra.
>
> My original intent was to pack up and head back to Nashville by noon
> but on arrival I discovered that the Legio V had raided my tent in
> the night and bought up all of my remaining oil, garum, and
> oxygarum. Well, that was a good start to the day so I decided to
> drag my tables out from under the tents & set up my merchandise
> while I took down the tents & loaded the car. Business was very
> brisk and I was soon sold out of all but two plates plus I sold
> several devotional images of Dii Immortales. I even sold a lararium
> plaque to Dr. Donaldson, the author of "The Cult of Isis in the
> Roman Empire."
>
> I received some assistance from Sam Agarwal from Gift Intl. Co. (aka
> Deepeeka) getting the stakes out of the ground so I could return
> them to the citizens from The Roman Way (thanks Laura, Mike, Linda
> et al). I apparently had driven the stakes into the only solid clod
> of soil on the site not adulterated with sand. By 1 p.m., I had
> reduced my original three boxes of merchandise to only one box so I
> decided to go ahead & pack up the rest.
>
> Tish & I had one more quick visit to the museum gift shops for more
> stuff for ourselves and granddaughter before leaving. I also raided
> the fenced area behind the fence at Ft. Conde for more beads from
> the previous parade. By 2 p.m., we had made our goodbyes to
> everyone and were on the way to the U.S.S. Alabama Battleship Park.
> We oohed and aahed over the battleship, the sub, the planes, and
> armored vehicles before going on a quest to find a beach so we could
> pay our final homage to Neptunus Pater and Goddess of the Gulf.
>
> After several false starts and stops, we eventually wound up on the
> east side of Mobile Bay off Scenic Hwy. 98 in the beautiful little
> township of Fairhope. We found our beach, collected shells, and
> dabbled our feet in the waters of the Bay. Thanks to Officer Josie
> and Marshall Chapman for the assistance to locate the beach. We
> left the beach and travelled up to the Pelican Point Yacht Club,
> where we did find pelicans, to have dinner. The food was good with
> the best gumbo we had the whole trip along with huge portions of
> fried mudbugs, shrimp, scallops, and potatoes. Even the side salad
> was huge. We decided to hit the road just as the sun was beginning
> to descend in the West and the first TD of the Super Bowl was scored
> on kickoff.
>
> I figured that there would be almost no men and few women on the
> road until at least 10 p.m. so we expected to make very good time.
> As we crossed the I-10 Causeway back into Mobile, the sky was
> painted with a fiery, red sunset as a backdrop to the U.S.S.
> Alabama. Ercule! but that was worth the whole trip.
>
> Trip home was mostly empty interstate until we reached Montgomery
> but even with two stops for fuel, food, and balneum we were back in
> cheery, chilly Nashville by 1:00 a.m. Monday morning. More than
> enough time for six hours of sleep and get to work on time.
>
> Thanks to Rusty and all the folks from the Exploreum, Brookley
> Center (except Mrs. Brooks), The Roman Way, Sextus Galerius, Legio
> V/VI/IX/XI/XIIII, LaWren's Nest, Caius Fabius, Dan Peterson, Lady
> Gwyhervar & Barony of Osprey, and everyone else who made the Castra
> Romana such a wonderful event. Special prayers of gratitude to
> Fortuna, Mercurius, and Neptunus for a speedy, safe trip with few
> bumps. Ita est.
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> Propraetor America Austrorientalis, NR
> Flamen Cerialis
> Candidate for Tribune of the Plebs, NR
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Diana,

My wife is a discriminating judge of fashion and I have to say that
there is really no point in having more than one woman in my life
who has an opinion about me and my Pannonian hat.

Aureliane

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Aventina" <diana@...> wrote:
>
> Salve FGA,
> Thanks for that! It was interesting and fun to read. But I have
one
> question: do you have a photo of you with the Pannonian hat ? I
mean, I only
> want to see if your wife was being unfair to you when she laughed
at it
> :-)))
> Vale,
> Diana
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:32 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Pompeii Reborn & Castra Romana--A Narrative
from
> Austrorientalis
>
>
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.
> >
> > My wife and I left Nashville late on Thursday afternoon and
arrived
> > in Mobile about 9 PM. After a late dinner at Wintzell's Oyster
> > House (gumbo, mudtails, and ettouffe aka A-2-Fay) we arrived at
the
> > Brookley Center only to discover that they had no key for us. We
> > stayed at another hotel a few minutes away. The directions from
> > Rusty Myers and the Museum were very good and we did not get
lost.
> >
> > Early Friday, we went into Mobile to set up the tents for Mensa
> > Romana. The weather was cold and blustery (about 40-45 degrees)
but
> > we got set up with some assistance from the good citizens of The
> > Roman Way out of Texas who also loaned us some stakes and ropes.
> > After getting the tents, tables, chairs, blankets, and
merchandise
> > set, we returned to the Brookley Center to find out why they had
no
> > key for us the previous night.
> >
> > The lady who runs the BC reservation office is Mrs. Davis. She
> > insisted that my wife, whose name is on the reservation letter,
> > called her on Monday and cancelled the reservation. She swore
that
> > my wife had spoken with her personally. She also told me that she
> > had no memory of speaking with me on Thursday afternoon when she
> > told me my reservation was intact & the key would be waiting for
me.
> > After insisting that we get a room, she gave us the original one
> > that was on my reservation but would not even discuss
compensating
> > us for the extra money for the other hotel since we
had "cancelled
> > our original reservation". We did get the agreed price.
> > PIECE OF ADVICE: Deal with Mrs. Davis only by email & save
printed
> > copies of all of her communications or try to deal with Mrs.
Owens,
> > who is a lot nicer, honest, and more polite than her boss.
> >
> > The room was large & comfortable, with small fridge, microwave,
and
> > two beds plus a sitting section with couch & chair. We had a
> > beautiful view of Mobile Bay from the west beyond the golf
course.
> > The only downside of the Brookley Center is that there was a
> > warehouse for Mardi Gras floats on the road coming in from I-10 &
> > the road was blocked several times during our stay. Fortunately,
one
> > can come into the Center off of the Michigan St. Exit.
> >
> > After leaving my wife Tish there to rest and take care of some
> > personal business she had to do during the day, I returned to the
> > Castra Romana. The day was absolutely miserable--cloudy, cold,
> > windy, and uncomfortable. It was so unpleasant, I had to purchase
> > an additional wool tunic and Pannonian hat from another vendor
just
> > to survive. The Gulf Coast Exploreum staff was great and fed us
> > lunch in the museum & gave us a room to warm up in when needed.
The
> > parking was free and very close to the museum. By the late
> > afternoon, we had five vendors and about forty reenactors on
site.
> > We were also beginning to receive notices that due to the bad
> > weather along the eastern states down to Florida, there were many
> > cancelled flights and impossible road conditions. It looked very
> > likely that we would not have a full century of soldiers on site.
> > About four o'clock the sun made a brief appearance before
> > disappearing behind the clouds. Almost no customers on Friday.
> > Shortly thereafter, I packed away my merchandise which the folks
> > from The Roman Way allowed me to store in their closed tent. I
left
> > before the parade and returned to the Brookley Center where my
wife
> > promptly made fun of my hat. Big surprise there (not)!
> >
> > I changed clothes and we took a long drive down to Dauphin
Island; a
> > barrier island on the entrance to Mobile Bay that fronts on the
Gulf
> > of Mexico. We drove down to the east end of the island near
> > Historic Ft. Gaines and walked out to the end of the jetty where
we
> > watched the surf crash into the rocks as a stiff wind blew
inland.
> > Under a full moon in a mostly clear sky with Orion overhead, we
> > wished each other a Happy Groundhog Day & Imbolc. After this we
sat
> > in the car awhile listening to Jimmy Buffet's "Songs You Know By
> > Heart" and watched the waves come in. "Mother, Mother Ocean, I
have
> > heard Your call . . ." Later we had dinner at The Landing on Hwy.
> > 193 North-seafood fetuccini, reef chowder, fried shrimp,
jambalaya,
> > crawfish spaghetti, hushpuppies. After a long drive back to the
> > Brookley Center, we had a good night's sleep.
> >
> > Chapter II
> >
> > Saturday morning was clear and cool with a lot less wind but I
still
> > took the precaution of dressing out in many layers of fleece &
wool
> > plus the aforementioned Pannonian hat. Efforts to rally my wife
out
> > of bed for breakfast met with no success so I took off for the
> > Castra.
> >
> > Aurelia & Marcus (The Roman Way) were very kind & had already
placed
> > my boxes of goods under the tents so I could do a quick set up.
> > While putting out my merchandise, I got to see the century going
> > through their marching drills & the handling of sword and pilum.
> > With all due respect to the centurions & optios, they needed some
> > help keeping their ranks on the advance but were otherwise very
> > good. I came to understand that part of the problem with the
> > formations had to do with a sudden switch in the command orders
from
> > the original set published on the Castra website to a set used by
> > the centurion from Legio XIIII GMV. That fellow is certainly
sharp
> > looking but is not so good on group dynamics. The pay and ration
> > ceremonies were also interesting. I also set out a stack of
flyers
> > for
> > Nova Roma & Provincia America Austrorientalis for the public.
> >
> > I did very well on purchases from both the participants & the
> > general public while I answered many questions about the Religio
> > Romana and domestic & social life in Old Rome. Many young people
> > offered very good questions and were, for the most part, well
> > behaved & polite. Sextus Galerius Dolabella from Legio V Alaudae
> > ("The Larks") put out some of his hand-made pila for sell at my
> > booth. These were very well made versions of the light pilum &
> > worth every sestertius (i.e., $65).
> >
> > There were morning shows by the gladiatorial school with many
> > pairings--myrmillo vs Thraex, secutor vs retarius, hoplomachus vs
> > Thraex or myrmillo, velite vs velite, plus a few criminals being
put
> > to the sword by the experienced fighters. One poor devil was
> > executed for the many offenses of failing to put the seat down in
> > the balneum.
> >
> > At 2 p.m., there was a short Mardi Gras parade that moved down
two
> > streets adjacent to our site with much throwing of beads, stuffed
> > animals, cups, oatmeal cakes, and Moon Pies. I heard about the
long
> > march that many of the soldiers had participated in the night
before
> > with the constant cries of Mobile's mounted urban vigiles
to "Close
> > up! Close up!" Ercule, don't they realize that marching in sixty
> > pounds of gear on hard streets can be very painful? It made me
glad
> > that I had not participated.
> >
> > Lady Gwenhyvar & her company of SCAdian barbarians prepared a
pot of
> > fine spiced lentils as well as pickled onions & bread to hand
out to
> > the participants and the general public. It was delicious (burp);
> > excuse me. It gave me a good idea that the dinner they were
> > preparing for Saturday night was going to be outstanding. Of
> > course, I did not pass on the opportunity to enjoy some of the
> > genuine Carnival cuisine of corn dogs & funnel cake from a local
> > vendor.
> >
> > I also made the acquaintance of a number of participants from the
> > various groups. Caius Fabius is one of the most interesting
> > individuals I have ever had the opportunity to meet. His depth of
> > knowledge is extraordinary. "Edge" from Legio III was also quite
an
> > amusing sort of fellow along the cornicen [?] who ran around all
> > weekend in his 'bear' skin.
> >
> > I did not get very far from my booth most of the day because of
> > customers so I did not get to listen in on any of the lectures or
> > discussions around the camp. Some questions and talk with the
> > public gave me the impression that a lot of good information had
> > been passed around. By late afternoon, I was ready to leave but
> > made two more sells (wine cups & an oil lamp) to some of the
> > participants just before I left to pick up my wife.
> >
> > We returned downtown in time to catch the tail end of the evening
> > parade and were able to catch some beads & toys as souvenirs for
our
> > granddaughter. After this, we took a tour of the museum exhibit
on
> > Pompeii. I have to say that this was a very impressive show; just
> > as good as the one we had seen in December at the Fernbank in
> > Atlanta. There were a number of recreated furniture & domestic
> > items as well as original artifacts. The most poignant part of
the
> > show were the body casts of those that had died in the eruption
of
> > Vesuvius. It was almost overwhelming to imagine what those poor
> > souls had endured just before their passing to the next world.
> > RIP.
> >
> > Dinner was indeed outstanding. The menu was (as I recall)--
muslsum
> > (or soda); bread accompanied by moretum, olive relish, or a sweet
> > paste; chicken with green sauce; pork with a peach sauce;
> > chickpeas; a salad; pickled cucumbers; various raw vegetables;
cake;
> > pastry; and a patina of pears. Yum-yum! Eat it all up! And then
> > seconds on the chicken & moretum. My Pannonian hat is off to the
> > ladies & gentlemen who prepared this repast. I also put my skills
> > as an unctore to use by giving them each a quick massage after
the
> > feast.
> >
> > Rusty Myers & Debra Garlo gave a brief speech of thanks and
> > information to us about the event which we greeted with applause.
> > We also sang "Happy Birthday" in Latin to a lady who was
celebrating
> > her dies natalis.
> >
> > All in all, a wonderful day followed by a good night's sleep.
> > Thanks to everyone who put on this event and welcomed us to
Mobile.
> >
> > Chapter III
> >
> > Sunday dawned and we slept through it without a hitch. Tish & I
> > eventually woke up around 7:45 a.m., got dressed, packed and
checked
> > out. A quick trip to a local Cracker Barrel for breakfast was
> > followed by fuelling up & heading out to the Castra.
> >
> > My original intent was to pack up and head back to Nashville by
noon
> > but on arrival I discovered that the Legio V had raided my tent
in
> > the night and bought up all of my remaining oil, garum, and
> > oxygarum. Well, that was a good start to the day so I decided to
> > drag my tables out from under the tents & set up my merchandise
> > while I took down the tents & loaded the car. Business was very
> > brisk and I was soon sold out of all but two plates plus I sold
> > several devotional images of Dii Immortales. I even sold a
lararium
> > plaque to Dr. Donaldson, the author of "The Cult of Isis in the
> > Roman Empire."
> >
> > I received some assistance from Sam Agarwal from Gift Intl. Co.
(aka
> > Deepeeka) getting the stakes out of the ground so I could return
> > them to the citizens from The Roman Way (thanks Laura, Mike,
Linda
> > et al). I apparently had driven the stakes into the only solid
clod
> > of soil on the site not adulterated with sand. By 1 p.m., I had
> > reduced my original three boxes of merchandise to only one box
so I
> > decided to go ahead & pack up the rest.
> >
> > Tish & I had one more quick visit to the museum gift shops for
more
> > stuff for ourselves and granddaughter before leaving. I also
raided
> > the fenced area behind the fence at Ft. Conde for more beads from
> > the previous parade. By 2 p.m., we had made our goodbyes to
> > everyone and were on the way to the U.S.S. Alabama Battleship
Park.
> > We oohed and aahed over the battleship, the sub, the planes, and
> > armored vehicles before going on a quest to find a beach so we
could
> > pay our final homage to Neptunus Pater and Goddess of the Gulf.
> >
> > After several false starts and stops, we eventually wound up on
the
> > east side of Mobile Bay off Scenic Hwy. 98 in the beautiful
little
> > township of Fairhope. We found our beach, collected shells, and
> > dabbled our feet in the waters of the Bay. Thanks to Officer
Josie
> > and Marshall Chapman for the assistance to locate the beach. We
> > left the beach and travelled up to the Pelican Point Yacht Club,
> > where we did find pelicans, to have dinner. The food was good
with
> > the best gumbo we had the whole trip along with huge portions of
> > fried mudbugs, shrimp, scallops, and potatoes. Even the side
salad
> > was huge. We decided to hit the road just as the sun was
beginning
> > to descend in the West and the first TD of the Super Bowl was
scored
> > on kickoff.
> >
> > I figured that there would be almost no men and few women on the
> > road until at least 10 p.m. so we expected to make very good
time.
> > As we crossed the I-10 Causeway back into Mobile, the sky was
> > painted with a fiery, red sunset as a backdrop to the U.S.S.
> > Alabama. Ercule! but that was worth the whole trip.
> >
> > Trip home was mostly empty interstate until we reached Montgomery
> > but even with two stops for fuel, food, and balneum we were back
in
> > cheery, chilly Nashville by 1:00 a.m. Monday morning. More than
> > enough time for six hours of sleep and get to work on time.
> >
> > Thanks to Rusty and all the folks from the Exploreum, Brookley
> > Center (except Mrs. Brooks), The Roman Way, Sextus Galerius,
Legio
> > V/VI/IX/XI/XIIII, LaWren's Nest, Caius Fabius, Dan Peterson, Lady
> > Gwyhervar & Barony of Osprey, and everyone else who made the
Castra
> > Romana such a wonderful event. Special prayers of gratitude to
> > Fortuna, Mercurius, and Neptunus for a speedy, safe trip with few
> > bumps. Ita est.
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> > Propraetor America Austrorientalis, NR
> > Flamen Cerialis
> > Candidate for Tribune of the Plebs, NR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

P. Memmius Albucius omnibus magistratibus civitibusque s.d.


Please find below, in French and English, the designation edict of
Hon. G. Iulius Lateranus as scribe.

Thanks for your attention.


Valete Magistri et omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
Propr. Galliae

-----------

EDIT DU PROPRETEUR DE GAULE (n° 59-42)
concernant
la désignation d'un scribe


Moi, Publius Memmius Albucius, propréteur de Gaule, par l'autorité
dont la constitution, les lois et le Sénat de Nova Roma m'ont investi,

Vu mon édit 59-38 (10 juillet 2004) « concernant l'organisation de la
province de Gaule » ;

Considérant que Gaius Iulius Lateranus, qui maîtrise couramment, en
même temps que le français, l'anglais et est également compétent ès
latin, grâce aux études latines qu'il mène, remplit toutes les
compétences et conditions requises pour assurer la fonction de scribe
ouverte au sein du proprétoriat de Gaule,

Edicte :


Article 1 :

Gaius Iulius Lateranus est désigné par la présente scribe
proprétorien (scriba propraetoris Galliae).


Article 2 :

Le scribe Gaius Iulius Lateranus exerce ses fonctions selon les
instructions du propréteur de Gaule, dans le cadre défini par l'édit
59-38.

Il assure notamment :
- les traductions des édits provinciaux du français à l'anglais ;
- les traductions du français à l'anglais des articles de Quirinus,
la lettre d'information en ligne ;
- les traductions des édits provinciaux du français au latin ;
- si nécessaire, les traductions du français au latin des articles de
Quirinus, la lettre d'information en
ligne ;
- si nécessaire, toute traduction de l'anglais au français ou du
français à l'anglais, qui lui est
demandée par le propréteur de Gaule.


Article 3 :

La fonction de scribe proprétorien confiée à Gaius Iulius Lateranus
est considérée, au titre de la loi Fabia sur les centuries (2
décembre 2756 a.u.c.), comme une fonction provinciale de quatrième
rang.


Article 4
Les officiers publics concernés de la province de Gaule et leurs
services sont responsables, chacun en ce qui les concerne, de
l'exécution du présent édit, qui sera publié dans le recueil des
édits de la province.


Fait à Cadomagus, cité des Viducasses, Gaule, Idus Feb. MMDCCLX
a.u.c. (13 février 2007 è. c.) pendant le consulat de L. Arminius
Faustus et de Ti. Galerius Paulinus.

______________________________________________________________________
___________________


PROPRAETOR OF GAUL EDICT (n° 59-42)
concerning
the appointment of a scribe


I, Publius Memmius Albucius, Propraetor of Gaul, by the authority
vested in me by the constitution, the laws and the Senate of Nova
Roma,

In view of my edict 59-38 adopted on 12th december 2006 (pridie Idus
dec. MMDCCLIX a.u.c.), concerning the organisation of the province of
Gaul ;

Considering that Gaius Iulius Lateranus, who handles, with French,
English fluently and is also, thanks to his studies in Latin, skilled
in this language, fulfills all the skills and conditions asked by the
office of scribe open in the propraetorian governement of Gaul ;

Edicts :


Article 1 :

Gaius Iulius Lateranus is appointed Gaul propraetorian scribe (scriba
propraetoris Galliae).

Article 2 :

Scribe Gaius Iulius Lateranus fulfills his duties in the frame
defined by the edict 59-38, according the instructions of the
propraetor of Gallia.

He specially takes in charge :
- the translations of provincial edicts from French to English ;
- the translations of articles of Quirinus, the web newsletter, from
French to English ;
- the translations of provincial edicts from French to Latin ;
- the translations, when necessary, of articles of Quirinus, the web
newsletter, from French to Latin ;
- if necessary, any translation, from English to French or from
French to English, asked to him by the propraetor of Gallia.

Article 3 :

According Law Fabia centuriata (2nd December 2756 auc), this office
of propraetorian scribe given to Gaius Iulius Lateranus is considered
as a 4th rank office.

Article 4 :

Every public Gaul officer and her/his service must, as far as each
one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be published
in the compendium of the edicts of the province of Gaul.


Issued in Cadomagus, civ. Viducassium, Gaul, Idus Feb. MMDCCLX a.u.c.
(13rd Feb. 2007 c.e.) during the consulate of L. Arminius Faustus and
Ti. Galerius Paulinus.

Q. Caecilius Metellus Po. Minuciae Straboni salutem.

Of course, your point about the dies comitiales stands in its own merit,
as both you and P. Memmius have presented it. But, as I failed to
mention earlier, all of the days on which C. Equitius has restricted
activity are dies religiosi, which makes them, in practice, dies
nefasti, and I thank my colleague C. Iulius for bringing that point into
things.

Q. Caecilius Metellus Cn. Iulio Caesari salutem dicit.

Salve Caesar.

> I would like your opinion on what follows below.

You shall have it, indeed.

> The Parentalia was essentially an occasion for families, rather than
> a state festival was it not?

To some extents, yes. It found its way into extension into the public
cult, but that may be a discussion for a later time.

> I don't see it listed in the Responsum
> Pontificum de Feriis MMDCCLX. The Feralia of course is listed. Would
> it be correct to say that the Parentalia and Feralia were thus
> interconnected in the sense that they were part of the same thread,
> the former being the private element and the latter being the state
> element and the conclusion, marked by the opening of the temples?

About this first point, it is not listed as "Parentalia." It is,
however, listed under its alternate name, which is how it generally
shows in the fasti of antiquity, as "Virgo Vestalis Parentat", which
gives it its state 'association' (for lack of better words). I do, of
course, agree with you, and I believe that you would be correct in
making your question here a statement.

> If this is, more or less, correct then I believe that the action of
> Cato Praetor does not impinge on the rights of the Collegium
> Pontificum because the Parentalia is not specifically a state
> festival, and the Collegium controls only the Religio Romana at the
> level of state and nation (Constitution VI.B) and thus as far as the
> Parentalia is concerned not being a state festival it does not fall
> under the jurisdiction of the Collegium Pontificum, not least of
> which because it isn't included in the list of festivals in the
> Responsum.

Indeed, I do not disagree with you that Cato has not impinged on the
authority of the Collegium Pontificum.

> Therefore the right of the Collegium to determine the effect of
> festivals (Constitution VI.B.I.a) has not been specifically impinged
> on, since the prerequisite is that for this to happen the Parentalia
> must be a state festival, which it wasn't I think historically and as
> far as Nova Roma is concerned isn't anyway as it isn't on the list in
> the Responsum.

Some of the potential problems with that statement may come due to what
I have said above, but I again have no disagreement with the ultimate
conclusion of your statement.

> Therefore Cato Prateor has the jursidiction both in terms of
> advancing the goals of Nova Roma, in this case through facilitating
> the private observance of the Parentalia, an integral part
> historically of the same thread of observance that concluded with the
> Feralia (a state festival), and has not violated any constitutional
> perogative of the Collegium Pontificum in respect of state festivals.
> Indeed it seems to me that Cato Prateor is in effect facilitating the
> full observance of the Feralia by facilitating the observance of the
> Parentalia.
>
> Would this, in your view, be correct?

Of course, I have the statements which I made above, but I agree with
the final result, that Cato has not impinged on anything and that he
maintains the jurisdiction and authority to do as he has done (as I said
previously, however, this is unless superior authority intercedes). In
my view, you are generally correct, except that the Parentalia is a
state festival, albeit listed alternatively.

Caesar Metello sal.

Thank you for your time and your reply. Between this and the responsum
from Scaurus I think all my questions have been answered.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
<postumianus@...> wrote:

>
> Q. Caecilius Metellus Cn. Iulio Caesari salutem dicit.
>
> Salve Caesar.
>
> > I would like your opinion on what follows below.
>
> You shall have it, indeed.
>

If one wanted to pit knicks, then one could also say that the way you sign
your name (all block letters with dots in between and the v's for the u's)
is hard on the eyes and so maybe you need to be on moderation as well. :-)



Ups! Somebody needs Latin lessons.

Vale

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

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ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima

P. Memmius Albucius Pontifices Iulio Scauro Caecilio Metello s.d.


I have read with a lot of interest your supporting messages of the
edict issued by Praetor Equitius.

Your support, as pontiffs, are of a great importance for me in regard
of one of the arguments that I have put forward.

After reading your messages, I have two remarks and two questions,
Pontifices :

1/ First, your position, Pont. Iulius Scaurus, is very interesting
when you consider that :

"The edictum in question implements a decretum of the Collegium
Pontificum (CP) on the calendar in regard to the activity of
citizens".

First because it would lead us to a new rule in such cases, which
clearly allow constitutional magistrates to implement a decretum of
the CP.
Second, because, for the first time since a few years, we have a true
case showing us the importance and consequences of any decretum
pontificum on the public non-religious (in the meaning of our
constitution) institutions. Sure that our constitutional magistrates
will analyze your judgment as it deserves to be.

2/ Second remark, Pontifex Caecilius : you write that the praetorian
edict "has only taken it further, so as to require of inferior
magistrates that no new public business be undertaken during the
period".
Have I been wrong, or did I not see any reference to "inferior"
magistrates ? If I well remember, the praetorian edict said :
"I hereby suspend *all* public magisterial activity", included the
censorial one, the consular one, the tribunes one, the curule aediles
one, the plebis aediles one, etc. to the provincial magistracies.

3/ You say, Pontifex Caecilius, that "all of the days on which C.
Equitius has restricted activity are dies religiosi, which makes
them, in practice, dies nefasti, and I thank my colleague C. Iulius
for bringing that point into things.".
But if I am not wrong, 18 to 20th + 22nd are, in our official
religious marked "comitiales" (= authorized to any constitutional
activity), and the 21st is even "fastus". May you confirm me this
state of our public/religious law ?

4/ At last, one question for my information : is your position a
private one, or do you report a judgment said by the whole collegium
pontificum, after the issuing of the praetorian edict ?

Respectfully, Pontifices, et valete,


P. Memmius Albucius

P. Memmius Gn. Iulio Caesari s.d.

You wrote:

(..)

> Salve Metelle.
>
> I would like your opinion on what follows below. The Parentalia was

essentially an occasion for families, rather than a state festival
was it not? (..) [was it not correct] to say that the Parentalia and
Feralia were thus interconnected in the sense that they were part of
the same thread, the former being the private element and the latter
being the state element and the conclusion, marked by the opening of
the temples?

> If this is, more or less, correct then I believe that the action of
> Cato Praetor does not impinge on the rights of the Collegium
> Pontificum because the Parentalia is not specifically a state
> festival (..)

Your argument was seductive, Caesar : the State event are managed by
the Coll. Pont. ; Parentalia are not a state event ; thus any non-
religious magistrate may rule on them (here a praetor)!

But I see that Pontifex Caecilius has been faster than me to answer
that in his view - as in mine - the Parentalia is to be considered as
a "state festival".

Furthermore, we could have wondered what would allow one of our
magistrates to rule on a "non State event" ? If it is not in the
scope of our State, it is out, so it is in the private field
(familiae, personae), so it is out of the scope of our magistrates.
Or maybe you know a third "intermediate" field ?

Vale,


P. Memmius Albucius

Hmm, well, sorry that you took offence FGA. At least I read it!
Vale,
Diana

M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
during Dies Religiousi which are Nefasti the published
Calendar states:
Tribunals may be open and petitiones actionis and other documents
may be accepted. However, the praetores cannot pass a sentence
(because they cannot say the words do, dico, addico).
Public worship has preference over private worship. It is not
recommended to celebrate marriages.
Comitia should not be called. Contiones may be called to inform the
People, but no voting should take place. The Senate may meet, but
affairs concerning cultus and religio should be dealt with before
any civil affair in the Senate agenda.
Private activities are not favoured. It is not recommended to begin
a journey or to sign contracts, or to generally start a new
activity. Should an action have begun on a previous day, however, it
might be carried on normally. Markets may be open.

Cato's jurisdiction is limited to the Courts as it was in Roma
Antiqua.
The chief judicial functions of the Praetor in civil matters
consisted in giving a judex.
The Praetors also presided at trials of criminal matters.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/P
raetor.html

He has no power to issue an edictum about the calendar, or about
what business may or may not occur.
bene valete
M. Hortensia Maior

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
<albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

>
> P. Memmius Gn. Iulio Caesari s.d.
>
> You wrote:
>
> (..)
> > Salve Metelle.
> >
> > I would like your opinion on what follows below. The Parentalia

was

> essentially an occasion for families, rather than a state festival
> was it not? (..) [was it not correct] to say that the Parentalia

and

> Feralia were thus interconnected in the sense that they were part

of

> the same thread, the former being the private element and the

latter

> being the state element and the conclusion, marked by the opening

of

> the temples?
>
> > If this is, more or less, correct then I believe that the action

of

> > Cato Praetor does not impinge on the rights of the Collegium
> > Pontificum because the Parentalia is not specifically a state
> > festival (..)
>
> Your argument was seductive, Caesar : the State event are managed

by

> the Coll. Pont. ; Parentalia are not a state event ; thus any non-
> religious magistrate may rule on them (here a praetor)!
>
> But I see that Pontifex Caecilius has been faster than me to

answer

> that in his view - as in mine - the Parentalia is to be considered

as

> a "state festival".
>
> Furthermore, we could have wondered what would allow one of our
> magistrates to rule on a "non State event" ? If it is not in the
> scope of our State, it is out, so it is in the private field
> (familiae, personae), so it is out of the scope of our magistrates.
> Or maybe you know a third "intermediate" field ?
>
> Vale,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
>

A. Tullia Scholastica Tribuno Plebis M. Curiatio Complutensi quiritibus
s.p.d.

Tribune Complutensis, perhaps you missed Consul Paulinus' announcement
that the deadline had been extended from 6 a.m. Rome time to noon Rome time.
That means that ALL BUT TWO of the senatores (DIPI and ECF, if my counting
is correct) who voted did so in time. The original deadline was
extraordinarily early, and set at a time when many people are asleep (5
a.m. in England, if I am not mistaken; midnight in the eastern US and
Canada; 11 p.m. in the central US...). It was very gracious of Consul
Paulinus to extend the deadline. As a newbie, I like to let the more senior
members vote first...but do like to have my votes counted, as does any of
us. Unfortunately, two of us did seem to miss even the extended period, for
this time the voting period was quite short.

Vale, et valete.

> Salvete omnes civibus Novae Romae,
>
> here is my
>
> REPORT OF SENATE SESSION
>
> The Senate was called to order on February 8, 2007.
>
> The Contio was held on agenda items until February 10, 2007.
>
> Voting on the agenda items was then held from February 10 , 06:00 to February
> 12, 2007, 06:00 (time of Rome).
>
> The Presiding Magistrate, Consul Galerius Paulinus, dixit: Discussion will
> commence at 6:00 am, Roman time on ante diem VI Idus Februarias MMDCCLX
> a.u.c.(Thursday February 8, 2007) voting will commence at 6:am Roman Time on
> a.d. IV Id. Feb MMDCCLX a.u.c.(Saturday February 10, 2007) and will end at
> 6:am Roman Time on pr. Id. Ian. MMDCCLX a.u.c.(Monday February 12, 2007).
>
> On February 12 2007, the latest session of the Senate of Nova Roma was
> declared closed by the Consul Galerius Paulinus, in which 27 of the 38
> senatores voted, fulfilling the quorum needed for the session.
>
> 19 Senators voted within the term settled down for such aim and 8 voted
> outside term.
>
>
> Here are the list of the 19 voting Senators, listed by date and and reception
> time of their votes in the list of the Senate:
>
> [TGP] Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> [LAF] Lucius Arminius Faustus
> [GFBM] Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
> [QSP] Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
> [GEM] Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> [CFBQ] Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
> [MOG] Marcus Octavius Gracchus
> [FVG] Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> [CCS] Caius Curius Saturninus
> [SAS] Sextus Apollonius Scipio
> [GPL] Gaius Popilius Laenas
> [PMS] Pompeia Minucia Strabo
> [MCJ] Marcus Cassius Julianus
> [MMA] Marcus Minucius Audens
> [LECA] L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
> [MBA] Marcus Bianchius Antonius
> [FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> [MMH] Marcus Moravius Horatianus
> [ATMC] Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
>
>
> The votes of the following 8 Senators are registered in the List of the Senate
> like received after the 6 a.m. hour of Rome
>
> [CFD] Caius Flavius Diocletianus (after 6 am Roma Hour = 7,50 am)
> [MAM] Marcus Arminius Maior (after 6 am Roma Hour = 8,00 am)
> [GMM] Gaius Marius Merullus (after 6 am Roma Hour = 9,42 am)
> [QFM] Quintus Fabius Maximus (after 6 am Roma Hour = 9,44 am)
> [ATS] A. Tullia Scholastica (after 6 am Roma Hour = 10,17 am)
> [GSA) Cnaeus Salvius Astur (after 6 am Roma Hour = 10,17 am)
> [ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica (after 6 am Roma Hour = 1,12 pm)
> [DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus ((after 6 am Roma Hour = 6,41 pm)
>
> The votes received after the 6 a.m. hour of Rome have not been entered because
> are null votes, although they have been copied and marked with " (post 6 am)".
>
>
>
> SENATE AGENDA STARTS
>
> Item I
>
> The Senate revokes the Senatus Consultum of 15 October 2757 in which the
> Senate recognized the Spanish Association "Provincia Hispania de Nova Roma" as
> part of Nova Roma.
>
> TGP: UTI ROGAS
> LAF: UTI ROGAS
> GFBM: UTI ROGAS. Since the association approved by the senate in 2004 is no
> longer affiliated with Nova Roma it seems appropriate to disassociate legally
> from them.
> QSP: UTI ROGAS. I also agree that since the association approved by the senate
> in
> 2004 is no longer affiliated with Nova Roma it seems appropriate to
> disassociate legally from them.
> UTI ROGAS. The Association no longer wishes to be attached to Nova Roma,
> therefore Nova Roma should not be attached to it.
> CFBQ: UTI ROGAS.Sadly enough the presnt situation has lead to this point.
> MOG: UTI ROGAS, with sorrow.
> FVG: Yes
> CCS: Uti rogas, I would have hoped that matter would have brought to the
> Senate in different way, but the outcome is the same.
> SAS: Uti rogas, sadly enough.
> GPL: UTI ROGAS
> PMS: UTI ROGAS
> MCJ: UTI ROGAS
> MMS: YES, MMA; I agree wholeheartedly with this move.
> LECA: Vti Rogas
> MAB: Uti Rogas
> FAC: VTI ROGAS
> MMH: UTI ROGAS
> ATMC - UTI ROGAS
> CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> [GMM] Vti rogas I vote to revoke that senatus consultum (post 6 am)
> QFM: VTIROGAS (post 6 am)
> ATS: Vt� rog�s (post 6 am)
> GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
> ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
> [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
>
> UTI ROGAS: 19
> ANTIQUO: 0
> ABSTINEO: 0
> SC is revoked
>
> Item II
>
> Marcus Curiatius Complutensis is appointed Propraetor of Hispania
>
> TGP UTI ROGAS
> LAF: UTI ROGAS
> GFBM: UTI ROGAS. I am pleased with the work of Complutensis and happy to see
> him willing to serve.
> QSP: UTI ROGAS
> GEM UTI ROGAS. A good man who's going to have a difficult job this next year.
> CFBQ: UTI ROGAS. I have every trust in he is an honorable and loyal citizen
> and will
> make a good Propraetor in these difficult times.
> MOG: UTI ROGAS, yes, he's one of our best people.
> FVG: Abstain
> CCS: Uti rogas, he has lot to do, but I'm confident he can do it.
> SAS: Uti Rogas : I trust he will be the Propraetor we need in Hispania.
> GPL: UTI ROGAS
> PMS: UTI ROGAS
> MCJ: UTI ROGAS
> MMS: YES, MMA
> LECA: Vti Rogas
> MAB: Uti Rogas
> FAC: VTI ROGAS. I'm sure Complutensis is the best man to lead Hispania in this
> hard
> moment
> MMH: UTI ROGAS
> ATMC - UTI ROGAS
> CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
> QFM: ANTIQVO Our good Tribune was involved in this as well. Why should we
> ignore this
> fact? We need some one totally aloof from the scandal. (post 6 am)
> ATS: Vt� rog�s (post 6 am)
> GSA: I approve this proposal. Complutensis is the best person for the job.
> (post 6 am)
> ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
> [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
>
> UTI ROGAS: 18
> ANTIQUO: 0
> ABSTINEO: 1
> Marcus Curiatius Complutensis is appointed as Propraetor of Hispania.
>
> Item III
>
> A letter shall be drafted to the citizens of Hispania letting them know that
> they are valued in Nova Romans and that we are willing to listen o their
> concerns.
>
> The letter should also ask that if the NR Hispania website/domain name was
> paid for by Nova Roman funds that it be turned over to our Propraetor for use
> by the Nova Roman province of Hispania.
>
> TGP UTI ROGAS
> LAF Antiquo. I agree with the words of one Consular here. How effective would
> be a letter to such decision?
> GFBM: UTI ROGAS. I hope those citizens who are in the association will
> continue their citizenship in Nova Roma.
> QSP: UTI ROGAS
> GEM: UTI ROGAS. I hope this letter will be written soon and signed by both
> consuls on behalf of the Senate.
> CFBQ: UTI ROGAS. I wish all our citizens in Provincia Hispania all the best
> and hope that some of those who consider to leave will stay and some who are
> passive at the moment rally to the Res Publica to make Nova Roma strong again
> in Hispania.
> MOG: UTI ROGAS.
> FVG: No
> CCS: Uti rogas, with it and following actions I hope we can convince hispanici
> and everyone that the Senate listens and cares about the welfare of the
> citizens
> SAS: Uti Rogas: imho a much needed letter
> GPL: UTI ROGAS
> PMS: UTI ROGAS
> MCJ: UTI ROGAS although I fear that neither of these will do much good
> MMA: YES, MMA; The Senate to my knowledge has always been willing to listen to
> any citizen's concerns, if the citizens can and are willing to take the same
> amount of time and effort to notify the Senate specifically of their concerns,
> as they are to act against Nova Roma, and using general disaffections as an
> excuse to leave NR. It takes some effort after all to be a citizen, and to
> bring forward the concerns to the governing body of Magistrates and Senators
> for their review. Such has not been forthcoming from any departing Spanish
> citizen to my knowledge.
> LECA:
> MAB: Uti Rogas
> FAC: VTI ROGAS
> MMH: UTI ROGAS
> ATMC - UTI ROGAS
> CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
> QFM: ANTIQVO (post 6 am)
> I. The Roman Senate never listened to any concerns. Read
> some history...And remember, they joined us, we didn't join them.
> II. If we change our system every time someone bitches about
> us, we are not going to accomplish much. I suspect 50% of these dis
> -franchised citizens will be back in the NR fold before year's end.
> ATS: Abstine�. I fully support sending a letter; indeed, I favor sending one
> or more envoys, should that be possible. However, I am not certain about the
> website situation, which I thought would be completely separated, as some have
> voted on it, so will abstain. (post 6 am)
> GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
> ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
> [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
>
> UTI ROGAS: 16
> ANTIQUO: 2
> ABSTINEO: 0
> BLANK BALLOT: 1
> Item passed
>
>
> Item IV
>
> A letter to the new association should respectfully ask that the new
> association refrain from using the name or logos of Nova Roma, Inc.
>
> TGP UTI ROGAS
> LAF Antiquo
> GFBM: UTI ROGAS
> QSP: UTI ROGAS
> GEM: UTI ROGAS
> CFBQ: UTI ROGAS. This must of course be done.
> MOG: UTI ROGAS.
> FVG: No
> CCS: Uti rogas, Spanish association needs to respect our copyrights.
> SAS: Uti Rogas.
> GPL: UTI ROGAS
> PMS: UTI ROGAS
> MCJ: UTI ROGAS - if there is a possibility that there could be further
> conflict over this, we must have stated clearly our intent that these things
> not be used.
> MMA: YES, MMA; Very good!!
> LECA: Vti Rogas
> MAB: Uti Rogas
> FAC: VTI ROGAS
> MMH: UTI ROGAS
> ATMC - UTI ROGAS
> CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
> QFM: VTIROGAS By Internet Law they can't. We withdrew our permission to use
> it. (post 6 am)
> ATS: Vt� rog�s, (post 6 am)
> GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
> ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
> [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
>
> UTI ROGAS: 17
> ANTIQUO: 2
> ABSTINEO: 0
> Item passed.
>
>
> Item V
>
> A. Moravia Aurelia is appointed as Propraetor of America Austroccidentalis.
>
> TGP UTI ROGAS
> LAF Uti Rogas
> GFBM: UTI ROGAS
> QSP: UTI ROGAS
> GEM: UTI ROGAS. She's been good so far. I hope this will allow her to be even
> better.
> CFBQ: UTI ROGAS.She has my full support as I know that she will do her job
> well.
> MOG: UTI ROGAS.
> FVG: Abstain
> CCS: Uti rogas, she has my confidence. I also support L. Junius Bassus as
> Propraetor of California and I'm not happy that Senate is not allowed to vote
> about that.
> SAS: Uti Rogas.
> GPL: UTI ROGAS
> PMS: UTI ROGAS
> MCJ: UTI ROGAS
> MMA: YES, MMA
> LECA: Vti Rogas
> MAB: Uti Rogas
> FAC: VTI ROGAS
> MMH: UTI ROGAS
> ATMC - UTI ROGAS
> CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
> QFM: VTIROGAS (post 6 am)
> ATS: The title here should again be propraetr�x, not propraetor. However, it
> seems to be the thought that counts, so ut� rog�s here as well (post 6 am)
> GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
> ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
> [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
>
> UTI ROGAS: 18
> ANTIQUO: 0
> ABSTINEO: 1
> A. Moravia Aurelia is appointed as Propraetrix of America Austroccidentalis
>
>
>
> Item VI
>
> Marcus Iulius Severus is appointed as Propraetor of Mexico
>
> TGP UTI ROGAS
> LAF Uti Rogas
> GFBM: UTI ROGAS
> QSP: UTI ROGAS
> GEM: UTI ROGAS. A fine citizen who gives much to Nova Roma. He will continue
> to serve us well in Mexico.
> CFBQ: He has my support. UTI ROGAS
> MOG: UTI ROGAS.
> FVG: Abstain
> CCS: Uti rogas, she has my confidence. I also support L. Junius Bassus as
> Propraetor of California and I'm not happy that Senate is not allowed to vote
> about that.
> SAS: Uti Rogas.
> GPL: UTI ROGAS
> PMS: UTI ROGAS
> MCJ: UTI ROGAS
> MMA: YES, MMA
> LECA: Vti Rogas
> MAB: Uti Rogas
> FAC: VTI ROGAS
> MMH: UTI ROGAS
> ATMC - UTI ROGAS
> CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
> QFM: ABSTAINO. How many citizens are in Mexico right now? Enough to justify a
> Propraetor? (post 6 am)
> ATS: Vt� rog�s. It�s my understanding that he holds meetings of citizens in
> his home area, and has been active in that and other aspects of the provincial
> life. (post 6 am)
> GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
> ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
> [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
>
> UTI ROGAS: 18
> ANTIQUO:
> ABSTINEO: 1
> Marcus Iulius Severus is appointed as Propraetor of Mexico
>
>
>
> Item VII
>
> F. Apulus Caesar is appointed as Proconsul of Italia
>
> TGP UTI ROGAS
> LAF Uti Rogas
> GFBM: UTI ROGAS
> QSP: UTI ROGAS
> GEM: UTI ROGAS. One of our very best.
> CFBQ: UTI ROGAS. I am happy to see my old friend working so hard fro the Res
> Publica
> in our motherland Italia.
> MOG: UTI ROGAS.
> FVG: Abstain
> CCS: Uti rogas, she has my confidence. I also support L. Junius Bassus as
> Propraetor of California and I'm not happy that Senate is not allowed to vote
> about that.
> SAS: Uti Rogas.
> GPL: UTI ROGAS
> PMS: UTI ROGAS
> MCJ: UTI ROGAS
> MMA: YES, MMA
> LECA: Vti Rogas
> MAB: Uti Rogas
> FAC: ABSTINEO
> MMH: UTI ROGAS
> ATMC - UTI ROGAS
> CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am) I vote to appoint F Apulus Caesar but point out
> that, according to the senatus consultum approved in the last session, his
> title should be Praefectus Italiae.
> QFM: ANTIQVO (post 6 am)
> ATS: I am not sure if this is the correct title, but again, the thought
> counts, so ut� rog�s. (post 6 am)
> GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
> ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
> [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
>
> UTI ROGAS: 17
> ANTIQUO:
> ABSTINEO: 2
> F. Apulus Caesar is appointed as Proconsul of Italia. (Praefectus Italiae)
>
> Item VIII
>
> M. Iulius Severus is appointed interpreter of Spanish
>
> TGP UTI ROGAS
> LAF Uti Rogas
> GFBM: UTI ROGAS
> QSP: UTI ROGAS
> GEM: UTI ROGAS. Severus is certainly up to the task.
> CFBQ: UTI ROGAS
> MOG: UTI ROGAS.
> FVG: Abstain
> CCS: Uti rogas.
> SAS: Uti Rogas.
> GPL: UTI ROGAS
> PMS: UTI ROGAS
> MCJ: UTI ROGAS
> MMA: YES, MMA
> LECA: Vti Rogas
> MBA: Uti Rogas
> FCA: VTI ROGAS
> MMH: UTI ROGAS
> ATMC - UTI ROGAS
> MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
> QFM: VTIROGAS (post 6 am)
> ATS: Vt� rog�s. (post 6 am)
> GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
> ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
> [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
>
> UTI ROGAS: 18
> ANTIQUO:
> ABSTINEO: 1
> M. Iulius Severus is appointed interpreter of Spanish
>
>
>
> Item IX
>
> Publius Constantinus Placidus is appointed interpreter of Italian.
>
> TGP UTI ROGAS
> LAF Uti Rogas
> GFBM: UTI ROGAS
> QSP: UTI ROGAS
> GEM: UTI ROGAS.
> CFBQ: UTI ROGAS
> MOG: UTI ROGAS.
> FVG: Abstain
> CCS: Uti rogas.
> GPL: UTI ROGAS
> PMS: UTI ROGAS
> MCJ: UTI ROGAS
> MMA: YES, MMA
> LECA: Vti Rogas
> MAB: Uti Rogas
> FAC: VTI ROGAS
> MMH: UTI ROGAS
> ATMC - UTI ROGAS
> CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
> QFM: VTIROGAS (post 6 am)
> ATS: Vt� rog�s. (post 6 am)
> GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
> ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
> [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
>
> UTI ROGAS: 18
> ANTIQUO:
> ABSTINEO: 1
> Publius Constantinus Placidus is appointed interpreter of Italian.
>
>
>
> Item X
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica is appointed interpreter of Latin
>
> TGP UTI ROGAS
> LAF Uti Rogas. Taking Consul Publicola as an example, I will have to do
> something which hurts me too much. However, People and the gods had chose me
> Consul to act boldly, although actually I hate this speech I am only obligued
> by facts to do. Let me use this vote to dennounce the abuse of power Consul
> Paulinus did on this election to all people. Citizen L. Iunius Bassus asked
> rightfully to become propraetor of California. Bassus is completely able to
> become governor by NR law. But by an abuse of power, Consul Paulinus denied to
> put its name to this election, thinking he �was too new�. Well, the one who
> have to decide if a citizen is new or not is the Senate, since Bassus is
> allowed by NR law to become governor. Is the will of Paulinus
> bigger than the law, quirites? By dening the right of a citizen to have its
> name legally submitted to the Senate, Consul Paulinus tarnished its name. By
> dening the Senate the right to choose, Consul Paulinus throwed to the ground
> all balance of powers of the Roman Republic. Let me know to people, only the
> tight agenda of this prevented me or the Tribunes to act. But Consul Faustus
> will not take out the rights of the Senate, neither the right of the People. I
> myself will call the Senate to vote the name of Bassus. California shall not
> be let alone. Nothing on NR law prevent Bassus to become governor. Nothing
> prevent its name to be submited to the Senate. If Consul Paulinus wants to
> decide alone, he will have to decide by its own vote, like me or any other
> Senator. And I pray to Iove Optimus Maximus that while NR existis, such abuse
> of power will never more be allowed. It is a shame for the Republic, on such
> time full of shame,
> that a Consul make such blatant abuse of authority. I ask the Tribunes,
> Praetores and Senatores a close watch to never let any other Consul fall on
> the same temptation of autocracy.
> GFBM: UTI ROGAS
> QSP: UTI ROGAS
> GEM: UTI ROGAS. Scholastica is one of our finest Latinists.
> CFBQ: UTI ROGAS
> MOG: UTI ROGAS.
> FVG: Yes
> CCS: Uti rogas.
> SAS: Uti Rogas.
> GPL: UTI ROGAS
> PMS: UTI ROGAS
> MCJ: UTI ROGAS
> MMA: YES, MMA
> LECA: Vti Rogas
> MAB: Uti Rogas
> FAC: VTI ROGAS
> MMH: UTI ROGAS
> ATMC - UTI ROGAS
> CFD: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> MAM: Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
> [GMM] Vti rogas (post 6 am)
> QFM: VTI ROGAS (post 6 am)
> ATS: Abstineo (post 6 am).
> GSA: I approve this proposal. (post 6 am)
> ECF : Uti rogas. (post 6 am)
> [DIPI] Uti Rogas (post 6 am)
>
> UTI ROGAS: 19
> ANTIQUO:
> ABSTINEO
> A. Tullia Scholastica is appointed interpreter of Latin
>
> Valete bene
>
> M�CVRIATIVS�COMPLVTENSIS
> TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
> NOVA ROMA
> -----------------------------------------
> ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>

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