Agricola L. Iunio sal.

I suspect "Sodalus" is an error for "Sodalis". One of the Salii, I think.

Optime vale

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Iunius Bassus"
<iunius_verbosus@...> wrote:

>
> L. Iunius L. Curtio, an alicui qui scit, sal.
>
> I noticed on your album civium page, Luci Curti, a "Sodalus

Palatinus" listed. I'm curious--

> would you, or anyone who knows, care to tell me about this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vale(te)
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lysander" <lysanderofsparta@> wrote:
> >
> > May I ask, What is the presant state of California's Political
> > Leadership?
> > Thank You,
> > Lucius Curtius Paullus
> >
>

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem XI Kalendas Martias; haec dies comitialis est.

"For a time quiet and silence prevailed in both armies, and then there
was shouting by both sides together and alternate exhortations to the
combatants; and there were vows and lamentations and continual
expressions of every other emotion experienced in battle, some of them
caused by what was either being enacted or witnessed by each side, and
others by their apprehensions of the outcome; and the things they
imagined outnumbered those which actually were happening. For it was
impossible to see very clearly, owing to the great distance, and the
partiality of each side for their own champions interpreted everything
that passed to match their desire; then, too, the frequent advances
and retreats of the combatants and their many sudden countercharges
rendered any accurate judgment out of the question; and this situation
lasted a considerable time. For the champions on both sides not only
were alike in strength of body but were well matched also in nobility
of spirit, and they had their entire bodies protected by the choicest
armour, leaving no part exposed which if wounded would bring on swift
death. So that many, both of the Romans and of the Albans, from their
eager rivalry and from their partiality for their own champions, were
unconsciously putting themselves in the position of the combatants and
desired rather to be actors in the drama that was being enacted than
spectators. At last the eldest of the Albans, closing with his
adversary and giving and receiving blow after blow, happened somehow
to run his sword thru the Roman's groin. The latter was already
stupefied from his other wounds, and now receiving this final low, a
mortal one, he fell down dead, his limbs no longer supporting him.
5When the spectators of the combat saw this they all cried out
together, the Albans as already victorious, the Romans as vanquished;
for they concluded that their two champions would be easily dispatched
by the three Albans. In the meantime, the Roman who had fought by the
side of the fallen champion, seeing the Alban rejoicing in his
success, quickly rushed upon him, and after inflicting many wounds and
receiving many himself, happened to plunge his sword into his neck and
killed him. After Fortune had thus in a short time made a great
alteration both in the state of the combatants and in the feelings of
the spectators, and the Romans had now recovered from their former
dejection while the Albans had had their joy snatched away, another
shift of Fortune, by giving a check to the success of the Romans, sunk
their hopes and raised the confidence of their enemies. For when Alban
fell, his brother who stood next to him closed with the Roman who had
struck him down; and each, as it chanced, gave the other a dangerous
wound at the same time, the Alban plunging his sword down through the
Roman's back into his bowels, and the Roman throwing himself under the
shield of his adversary and slashing one of his thighs." - Dionysius
of Halicarnassus 3.19


Today the Sun enters the zodiacal Sign of Pisces. According to one
version in Greek mythology, this constellation represents fish into
which Aphrodite and Eros transformed in order to escape the monstrous
Typhon. The two fishes are often depicted tied together with a cord,
to make sure they do not lose one another.


On this day in A.D. 356 the emperor Constantius II ordered all pagan
temples in the empire closed. He was born in Sirmium (in Illyricum)
and when his father died in 337, he led the massacre of his relatives
decended from the second marriage of Constantius I Chlorus and
Theodora, leaving himself, his older brother Constantine II, his
younger brother Constans and two cousins (Julian "the Apostate" and
his brother Gallus) as the only surviving adult males related to
Constantine. The three brothers divided the Roman Empire between them
according to their father's will. Constantine II received Britain,
Gaul and Spain; Constans ruled Italy, Africa, and the Illyrian
provinces; and Constantius ruled Constantinople and the East.

This division changed when Constantine II died in 340, trying to
overthrow Constans in Italy, and Constans become sole ruler in the
Western half of the empire. The division changed once more in 350 when
Constans was killed in battle by forces loyal to the usurper
Magnentius. Until this time Constantius was preoccupied with fighting
the Sassanid Empire, and he was forced to elevate his cousin Gallus to
Caesar to assist him while he turned his attention to this usurper.

Constantius eventually met and crushed Magnentius in the Battle of
Mursa Major, one of the bloodiest battles in Roman history, in 351.
Magnentius committed suicide in 353, and Constantius soon after put
his cousin Gallus to death. However, he still could not handle the
military affairs of both the Eastern and German frontiers by himself,
so in 355 he elevated his last remaining relative, Julian, to Caesar.
Constantius II then visited Rome in the spring of AD 357 and then
moved north to campaign against the Sarmatians, Suevi and the Quadi
along the Danube. But it wasn't long before once again he was needed
in the east, where the Persian king Sapor II had broken the peace yet
again. Although in his last war Sapor II been repulsed in his attacks
on the fortress cities of Mesopotamia then this time he was to meet
with some success. Amida and Singara both fell to his armies in AD 359.

Hard pushed by the Parthian assault, Constantius II asked Julian to
send some of his western troops as reinforcements. But Julian's
solders simply refused to obey. They suspected in this demand only
Constantius II's jealousy toward Julian's success in the west. The
soldiers believed that Constantius II sought only to weaken Julian, so
that he could deal with him with greater ease, once he had brought the
Persian war to an end. These suspicions were not without foundation,
as Julian's military successes in the west did indeed win him little
else but the ill will of his emperor. So much so, that it is possible
that designs on Julian's life were being made at the time. Instead of
complying with their emperor's orders they proclaimed Julian Augustus.
Julian, whilst reluctant to take the throne, accepted. As Julian was
hailed Augustus by the army in Gaul, Constantius saw no alternative
but to face the usurper with violent force. As the two armies sought
engagement, Constantius died from a fever near Tarsus on November 3,
361, and Julian was hailed Augustus in the whole of the Roman empire.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Wikipedia

Iunius Agricolae sal.

Tibi gratias ago, amice. A Salius uh? Ancile and all? I'm impressed.

Vale.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...> wrote:
>
> Agricola L. Iunio sal.
>
> I suspect "Sodalus" is an error for "Sodalis". One of the Salii, I think.
>
> Optime vale
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Iunius Bassus"
> <iunius_verbosus@> wrote:
> >
> > L. Iunius L. Curtio, an alicui qui scit, sal.
> >
> > I noticed on your album civium page, Luci Curti, a "Sodalus
> Palatinus" listed. I'm curious--
> > would you, or anyone who knows, care to tell me about this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Vale(te)
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lysander" <lysanderofsparta@> wrote:
> > >
> > > May I ask, What is the presant state of California's Political
> > > Leadership?
> > > Thank You,
> > > Lucius Curtius Paullus
> > >
> >
>

Vale fellow Romans,

I am honoured by the warm reception in joining your group.
I can see there are some questions regarding my modding community,
so I will attempt to answer them.

Rome Total Realism is a modification of the Game, Rome Total War. Bu
modification, I mean a patch, which when installed, turns the game
from being a somewhat fantasy based and ahistorical rendition of the
Roman era to an accurate and compelling real time strategy and
campaign game fought in realistic 3D battles.
The modding team back in late 2005 saw the historical potential
of the game and banded together an international and mixed age group
of like minded history fanatics to recreate, as close as possible and
within the legal bounds of not infringing the maker's copyright, an
experience that allows you to feel the economic, political and
strategic/tactical reality of the world some 2500 years ago.
We are a non profit virtual company basically, people join the
team and work for free, to see a game represented as both entertaining
and an educational tool.The patch is available at no cost on the
internet.The team comprises of a mixed batch of post grad level
researchers (we boast one Phd and 4 Phd students on the history team),
young computer wizkids and older types like me, who work around the
language barriers and cultural differences to create a compelling
gaming experience.

I have joined your community in order to keep in touch with your group
and to broaden our membership to those that love history as we do.
Perhaps even one day, some of the historian types here will be part of
the research team? Who knows?

As you can tell by my name, I am a Roman to the core, but we have
members who are die hard fans of other factions and cultures, an
active historical debate forum at our site, and an extremely active
fiction writing forum for fans who like to write historical fiction.

The latest mod is perhaps our most adventurous to date, and is still
under preparation at this point, but I am spreading the word wherever
I go, our forum is as open as yours is.

I consider you all my teachers, so please be patient with me if I err
from time to time. I look forward to updating you all as things
progress, and reading your excellent posts.

If you have the time, please drop by and pay us a visit.

http://www.totalrealism.net/vb/

Sincerely,
MCM

Caius Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD.

I'm a new probationary citizen of Nova Roma and wish to salute
everyone and introduce myself.

I'm from Portugal, Provincia Hispania, and I have a profound interest
and love for Latin and History. Although I'm interest in every aspect
of History, the subjects I like more are Political and Military
History and the ancient Greece and Roman periods.

My knowledge of Latin is, yet, at a very basic level and I'm working
on it by self-study with the objective to be able to read the great
writers of Rome in Latin with minimum help of dictionaries.

At the moment my professional and familiar life aren't giving me much
free time so I will probably be a very inactive member and citizen
for the next times, but I hope things change a little and I will be
able to be a more active citizen in the near future.

Di vos incolumes custodiant.

Lisboae, a.d. XI Kal. Mar.

G. Iulius Scaurus Quiritibus S. P. D.

I posted this on Feb. 17, but it has not yet appeared on the main list, so I am reposting it.

In preparation for the caerimonia of the Quirinalia I erected an altar for the offerings. I
bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga praetexta, cinctu Gabino, capite velato, I
began the praefatio.

Praefatio

"Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius mihi et
Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum [Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you
I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites." I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum [Iuppiter Best and Greatest,
by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me
and the Senate and People of the Novaromans, the Quirites." I placed incense in the focus
of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius mihi et
Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum [Father Mars, by offering this incense to you
I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuno regina, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitia mihi et
Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum [Queen Iuno, by offering this incense to you
I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Novaromans, the Quirites." I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter Best and Greatest, as by offering to you
the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this
humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno regina, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto [Queen Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Quirine pater, conditor defensorque Romae Romanorumque, benefactor gentis
Novoromanorum, Quiritum, tibi sacram memoriam et gratias pias debemus, pater gentis
Romani; tibi fieri oportet culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo macte hac illace dape pollucenda
esto [Father Quirinus, founder and defender of Rome and the Romans, benefactor of the
Novoroman race, the Quirites, to you we owe sacred memory and devout thanks, father of
the Roman people; it is proper for a cup of wine to be given to you for the sacred feast, for
the sake of this thing may you be honoured by this feast offering.]" I poured a libation
from the patera on the focus of the altar.

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Quirine pater, pater Romae, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto
[Father Quirinus, father of Rome, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be
honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Quirinus Pater bacon, cakes, cheese, and wine
on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno regina, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto [Queen Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation
from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Vesta mater, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Mother Vesta, guardian of the
sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the patera on the
focus of the altar.

"Illicet. [It is finished.]"

I profaned bacon, wine, cakes, and cheese, returned indoors because of the inclement
weather, and reclining on a pallet, I partook of the epulum with Quirinus Pater, praying as I
ate and offering libations in my private devotions.

Piaculum

Since the ritus of the Quirinalia has yet to be recovered from literary or archaeological
sources, the ritus I used was of my own composition, based on the Catonian paradigm.
Therefore, I concluded with a piaculum to Quirinus Pater.

"Quirine pater, si quidquam tibi in hoc ritu Quirinaliae displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam
peto et vitium meum expio [Father Quirinus, if anything in this rite of the Quirinalia is
displeasing to you, with this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I
poured a libation into the focus of the altar.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex

Isn't this the first version:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/49210 ?

The messages were coming out of order for a while.

Optime vale

Agricola




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "g_iulius_scaurus"
<gregory.rose@...> wrote:

>
> G. Iulius Scaurus Quiritibus S. P. D.
>
> I posted this on Feb. 17, but it has not yet appeared on the main

list, so I am reposting it.

>
> In preparation for the caerimonia of the Quirinalia I erected an

altar for the offerings. I

> bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga praetexta, cinctu

Gabino, capite velato, I

> began the praefatio.
>
> Praefatio
>
> "Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies

volens propitius mihi et

> Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum [Father Ianus, by offering

this incense to you

> I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me and the

Senate and People of the

> Novaromans, the Quirites." I placed incense in the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor,

uti sies volens

> propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum [Iuppiter

Best and Greatest,

> by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may

be propitious to me

> and the Senate and People of the Novaromans, the Quirites." I

placed incense in the focus

> of the altar.
>
> "Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies

volens propitius mihi et

> Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum [Father Mars, by offering

this incense to you

> I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me and the

Senate and People of the

> Novaromans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense in the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iuno regina, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies

volens propitia mihi et

> Senatui Populoque Novaromanorum Quiritum [Queen Iuno, by offering

this incense to you

> I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious to me and the

Senate and People of the

> Novaromans, the Quirites." I placed incense in the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,

eiusdem rei ergo

> macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering to you the

incense virtuous prayers

> were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble

wine.]" I poured a

> libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene

precatus sum,

> eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter Best and

Greatest, as by offering to you

> the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this

be honoured by this

> humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of

the altar.

>
> "Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,

eiusdem rei ergo

> macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to you the

incense virtuous prayers

> were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble

wine.]" I poured a

> libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iuno regina, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,

eiusdem rei ergo

> macte vino inferio esto [Queen Iuno, as by offering to you the

incense virtuous prayers

> were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble

wine.]" I poured a

> libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.
>
> I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.
>
> Precatio
>
> "Quirine pater, conditor defensorque Romae Romanorumque, benefactor

gentis

> Novoromanorum, Quiritum, tibi sacram memoriam et gratias pias

debemus, pater gentis

> Romani; tibi fieri oportet culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo macte

hac illace dape pollucenda

> esto [Father Quirinus, founder and defender of Rome and the Romans,

benefactor of the

> Novoroman race, the Quirites, to you we owe sacred memory and devout

thanks, father of

> the Roman people; it is proper for a cup of wine to be given to you

for the sacred feast, for

> the sake of this thing may you be honoured by this feast offering.]"

I poured a libation

> from the patera on the focus of the altar.
>
> Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.
>
> Redditio
>
> "Quirine pater, pater Romae, macte istace dape pollucenda esto,

macte vino inferio esto

> [Father Quirinus, father of Rome, may you be honoured by this feast

offering, may you be

> honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Quirinus Pater bacon,

cakes, cheese, and wine

> on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iuno regina, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,

eiusdem rei ergo

> macte vino inferio esto [Queen Iuno, as by offering to you the

incense virtuous prayers

> were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble

wine.]" I poured a

> libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,

eiusdem rei ergo

> macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to you the

incense virtuous prayers

> were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble

wine.]" I poured a

> libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iuppiter, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,

eiusdem rei ergo

> macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter, as by offering to you the incense

virtuous prayers were

> well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"

I poured a libation

> from the patera on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,

eiusdem rei ergo

> macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering to you the

incense virtuous prayers

> were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble

wine.]" I poured a

> libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.
>
> "Vesta mater, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Mother

Vesta, guardian of the

> sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation

from the patera on the

> focus of the altar.
>
> "Illicet. [It is finished.]"
>
> I profaned bacon, wine, cakes, and cheese, returned indoors because

of the inclement

> weather, and reclining on a pallet, I partook of the epulum with

Quirinus Pater, praying as I

> ate and offering libations in my private devotions.
>
> Piaculum
>
> Since the ritus of the Quirinalia has yet to be recovered from

literary or archaeological

> sources, the ritus I used was of my own composition, based on the

Catonian paradigm.

> Therefore, I concluded with a piaculum to Quirinus Pater.
>
> "Quirine pater, si quidquam tibi in hoc ritu Quirinaliae displicet,

hoc vino inferio veniam

> peto et vitium meum expio [Father Quirinus, if anything in this rite

of the Quirinalia is

> displeasing to you, with this humble wine I ask forgiveness and

expiate my fault.]" I

> poured a libation into the focus of the altar.
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
> Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
>

I have not checked the Citizen page for it.
But, My paper work from 1/24/05 States I am a Sodalis Palatinus. By
the Hand of the College of Pontiffs.

I Can not explain Why it Says that. I do not do the Webpage. So I
can not "explain" to you why it is thus.

Vale,
Luci Curti


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Iunius Bassus"
<iunius_verbosus@...> wrote:

>
> Iunius Agricolae sal.
>
> Tibi gratias ago, amice. A Salius uh? Ancile and all? I'm

impressed.

>
> Vale.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola"

<wm_hogue@> wrote:

> >
> > Agricola L. Iunio sal.
> >
> > I suspect "Sodalus" is an error for "Sodalis". One of the Salii,

I think.

> >
> > Optime vale
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Iunius Bassus"
> > <iunius_verbosus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > L. Iunius L. Curtio, an alicui qui scit, sal.
> > >
> > > I noticed on your album civium page, Luci Curti, a "Sodalus
> > Palatinus" listed. I'm curious--
> > > would you, or anyone who knows, care to tell me about this?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Vale(te)
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lysander"

<lysanderofsparta@> wrote:

> > > >
> > > > May I ask, What is the presant state of California's

Political

> > > > Leadership?
> > > > Thank You,
> > > > Lucius Curtius Paullus
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

In data 12 febr. 2760 a.u.c. si sono adunati i Comitia urbis per l'elezione degli Aediles.
Sono stati eletti a tale carica Marcus Quirinus Sulla e Titus Claudius collatinus.
Si trasmette il verbale della seduta.
Valete.
MQS


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Scaurus Agricolae SPD.

It never arrived at my email account, so I presumed it hadn't gone
through. Yahoo has been exceedingly wonky of late.

Vale.

Scaurus

Salvete omnes,

Last week, at the solicitation of Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, I sent
addressed a letter to the Senate. It is repeated here with a few
corrections and additions:

a.d. XV Kal. Mart. AUC MMDCCLX

Ad S.P.Q.R., salvete,

After consultation with the esteemed Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, I
hereby declare my interest in appointment by the Senate to govern the
Province of California.

I present my qualifications as follows. I became a citizen of Nova Roma in
AUC MMDCCLI, my citizen number is 173. In AUC MMDCCLII the Senate
appointed me Aedilis Curule. In that capacity I augmented the Nova Roma
website, taking particular interest in undertaking a history of the early
political life of our Republic. It was I who suggested renaming Nova
RomaÂ’s provinces from modern names to Roman names. I had, shortly before
discovering Nova Roma, erected the Via Sacra Martiana,
<www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/mars>, which, if memory serves, already
included the temples of Mars and Ares. As Aedilis Curule, I continued my
work on these temples, and added a temple to Tyr. However, I opposed the
Dictatorship, publicly defended several officers of the Republic against
unfounded charges, and was removed from office. It is not my purpose to
re-fight old wars, but only to explain my absence from the political life
of Nova Roma since that time. Naturally, if the Republic now calls upon
me, it will be an honor to serve.

I have continued to develop romanitas during the intervening years. I
first became legatus of California in AUC MMDCCLIII under the propraetrix
Helena Cornelia Ovidia, and continued to serve under the proconsuls Lucius
Cornelius Sulla Felix and Quintus Fabius Maximus. In that capacity I
created the California Provincia website,
<www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/provincia>. I was inducted as a Sodalus
Palatinus in AUC MMDCCLVIII. I continued to improve and expand the Via
Sacra Martiana, which now also includes temples of Bellona, Cernunnos,
Mangal, Minerva, Nergal, and Victoria, although work remains.

I have made some efforts to promote romanitas beyond the confines of Nova
Roma. My initial idea for a masterÂ’s thesis in international relations was
a comparative study of the emergence of Rome as a Mediterranean superpower
from the Punic Wars and the emergence of the United States as global
superpower from the World Wars, with an analysis of parallel
political-economic trends leading to collapse of the republic and the
establishment of the principate in the former case... and so what of the
latter case? Although I decided to turn to another project for my thesis,
this remains a project of interest that I plan to take up again at some
point. I did, in any case, during this period, write an essay, “Roma
Quarta et Terra Nostra: America's Future in a Unipolar World” (attached),
which won me a World Affairs Council of Northern California
scholarship. Also, I published an opinion editorial, “Latini Omnes Sunt”
(attached), in the Berkeley Daily Planet. Along with my partner and my
son, I am currently taking a course in Italian, and concurrently, I am
attempting to develop some facility in Latin.

During my years of relative quiescence with regard to Nova Roma, I have
developed skills and expertise that I believe will be of value to Nova
Roma. In addition to obtaining a masterÂ’s degree in international
relations, I have developed considerable expertise regarding the US
presidential electoral system. The systematic plan I have developed to
reform the presidential nomination process, known as the American Plan,
<http://www.americanplan.org>, is a newcomer to the national debate, but is
elbowing aside more established concepts. This has been accomplished
through engaging in on-the-ground politics, speaking before many local
committees, and briefing a number of office-holders, and recruiting some
volunteers. This is the experience I can bring to the governance of
California Provincia. I will not insult your intelligence by declaring
that the governance of California Provincia will be the focus of my life;
however, I can state that my activities in American politics will inform my
efforts in California on behalf of Nova Roma, and that perhaps my efforts
in California on behalf of Nova Roma will in part inform my activities in
American politics. California is, after all, a state with a large Hispanic
population, and a not-inconsiderable Italian population. Latini omnes sunt.

As a final qualification, I offer my Roman lineage. About six months ago I
discovered my descent from royal lines that lead back to both the eastern
and western Roman Empires. Among my direct ancestors are Imperator
Theodoros I Laskaris (1175-1222), Imperator Isaac II Angelos (ca
1155-1204), Imperator Manolis I Komnenos (1122-1180), Imperator Ioannis II
Komnenos (1087-1143), Imperator Alexios I Komnenos (1048-1118), Caesar
Ioannis Doukas (1012-1088), Imperator Konstantinos X Doukas (1006-1067),
Imperator Romanos II Makedonis (940-963), Imperator Konstantinos VII
“Porphygenitos” Makedonis (906-959), Caesar Bardas Phokas (890-969),
Imperator Romanos I Lekapenos (ca. 869-948), Imperator Leon VI “Sophos”
Makedonis (866-912), Imperator Basileos I Makedonis (812-886), Praefectus
Praetorio Galliarum Tonantius Ferreolus (ca. 420-476), Consul Flavius
Afranius Syagrius (334-399), Consul Afranius Hannibalianus (b. ca. 240),
and Consul Suffectus Hannibalianus (b. ca. 215). Imperator Marcus
Maecilius Flavius Eparchius Avitus (395-456) is a first cousin 51 times
removed. I can state with some pride that my 48th great-grandfather
Tonantius Ferreolus commanded a Roman formation at Chalons in 453, where we
kicked AttilaÂ’s nasty Hunnish ass. (His daughter Tonantia Ferreola, my
47th great-grandmother, married Sigimerus I, a Merovingian, and if one puts
credence in certain unsubstantiated rumors, I may have a Judean carpenter
in the woodpile. No one is perfect.) Nihilominus, Romanus sum, et non
novus homo.

My vision for developing romanitas in California is as follows. Primus,
non facere, nisi alii regere facere. I will reach out to other citizens
with the aim of recruiting and encouraging motivated individuals in each
major metropolitan area­-Sacramento, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Los Angeles,
and San Diego­-who will serve as legati, and develop local organizations
and activities. It may be that California Provincia has suffered from
being too much of a virtual province; I believe it is important to promote
more in-person activities and gatherings. I will reach out to reenactment
groups outside of Nova Roma, such as Legio VI Victrix, Legio IX Hispana,
Legio X Fretensis Cohors IV, the Society for Creative Anachronism, and
pagan religious groups. I will look into the “Go Roman” college campus
activities that Tiberius Galerius Paulinus mentioned to me. There are a
number of Celtic/Scottish Games held annually in the province, at which the
Roman military reenactment groups often have a presence, and these might
serve as venues for Roman gatherings while we develop an organization that
can put on its own events. This is in keeping with established Roman
practice: to adapt somewhat to the local culture, and in the end assimilate
the local culture. Resistere futilis est.

Finally, although I believe progress is likely to be slow at first, I will
endeavor to report my progress to the Senate on a quarterly basis.

Mars nos protegis! Ad Martem!

Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Paterfamilias, Gangalia
Patergeneris, Martiana
Sodalus Palatinus
Legatus, California Superior
Lictor
Aedilis Curule, MMDCCLII

Enclosures:
1. “Roma Quarta et Terra Nostra: America's Future in a Unipolar
World,” 24 Feb 2004.
http://pweb.jps.net/~gangale/opsa/ir/Asilomar_2004_Schol_App.htm

2. “Latini Omnes Sunt,” 5 May 2006.
http://www.berkeleydaily.org/text/article.cfm?issue=05-02-06&storyID=24038


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M. Hortensia Plebis spd;
the Cista is now open. All plebeians please go and vote,
whether it is for me or Aurelianus, it is important to excercise our
rights & important for Nova Roma!
bene valete
Marca Hortensia Maior
producer"Vox Romana" podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/
Candidate for Tribune of the Plebs

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem X Kalendas Martias; haec dies fastus est.

"The one who had received the mortal wound died instantly, and the
other, who had been wounded in the thigh, was scarcely able to stand,
but limped and frequently leaned upon his shield. Nevertheless, he
still made a show of resistance and with his surviving brother
advanced against the Roman, who stood his ground; and they surrounded
him, one coming up to him from in front and the other from behind.
The Roman, fearing that, being thus surrounded by them and obliged to
fight with two adversaries attacking him from two sides, he might
easily be overcome — he was still uninjured — hit upon the plan of
separating his enemies and fighting each one singly. he thought he
could most easily separate them by feigning flight; for then he would
not be pursued by both the Albans, but only by one of them, since he
saw that the other no longer had control of his limbs. With this
thought in mind he fled as fast as he could; and it was his good
fortune not to be disappointed in his expectation. For the Alban who
was not mortally wounded followed at his heels, while the other, being
unable to keep going was falling altogether too far behind. Then
indeed the Albans encouraged their men and the Romans reproached their
champion with cowardice, the former singing songs of triumph and
crowning themselves with garlands as if the contest were already won,
and the others lamenting as if Fortune would never raise them up
again. But the Roman, having carefully waited for his opportunity,
turned quickly and, before the Alban could put himself on his guard,
struck him a blow on the arm with his sword and clove his elbow in
twain, and when his hand fell to the ground together with his sword,
he struck one more blow, a mortal one, and dispatched the Alban; then,
rushing from him to the last of his adversaries, who was half dead and
fainting, he slew him also. And taking the spoils from the bodies of
his cousins, he hastened to the city, wishing to give his father the
first news of his victory." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.20



"Let us now praise famous men, and our fathers in their
generations...There were those who ruled in their kingdoms, and were
men renowned for their power, giving counsel by their understanding,
and proclaiming prophecies; leaders of the people in their
deliberations and in understanding of learning for the people, wise in
their words of instruction; those who composed musical tunes, and set
forth verses in writing; rich men furnished with resources, living
peaceably in their habitations -- all these were honored in their
generations, and were the glory of their times. There are some of them
who have left a name, so that men declare their praise. And there are
some who have no memorial, who have perished as though they had not
lived; they have become as though they had not been born, and so have
their children after them. But these were men of mercy, whose
righteous deeds have not been forgotten... Their posterity will
continue for ever, and their glory will not be blotted out. Their
bodies were buried in peace, and their name lives to all generations."
- The Wisdom of Jesus the son of Sirach (Ecclesiasticus) 44:1-10, 13-14


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Ecclesiasticus

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Candidate for Tribunis Plebis S.P.D.

I recall that several years ago that a citizen claimed direct descent from a number of prominent Romans and Hellenes (some of whom were emperors) and that this entitled him to a post in the NR Senate. Naturally, he was roundly and soundly ridiculed on the NR ML as that citizen could not support his claims. I sincerely hope that this gentleman from Provincia California is not the same person.

However, as a member of the Collegium Pontificum, I can post with certainty that Marcus Martianus Gangalius is one of the Salii (aka Leaping Priest of Mars) of the Palatinus along with Lucius Martianus Paullus.

I cannot speak to any of his other accomplishments or offices that he has listed in the letter he has submitted regarding his willingness to become Praetor of Provincia California.

Valete.




-----Original Message-----
From: marcus@...
To: CaliforniaNovaRoma@yahoogroups.com; Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Praetor of California Provincia


Salvete omnes,

Last week, at the solicitation of Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, I sent
addressed a letter to the Senate. It is repeated here with a few
corrections and additions:

a.d. XV Kal. Mart. AUC MMDCCLX

Ad S.P.Q.R., salvete,

After consultation with the esteemed Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, I
hereby declare my interest in appointment by the Senate to govern the
Province of California.

I present my qualifications as follows. I became a citizen of Nova Roma in
AUC MMDCCLI, my citizen number is 173. In AUC MMDCCLII the Senate
appointed me Aedilis Curule. In that capacity I augmented the Nova Roma
website, taking particular interest in undertaking a history of the early
political life of our Republic. It was I who suggested renaming Nova
Roma’s provinces from modern names to Roman names. I had, shortly before
discovering Nova Roma, erected the Via Sacra Martiana,
<www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/mars>, which, if memory serves, already
included the temples of Mars and Ares. As Aedilis Curule, I continued my
work on these temples, and added a temple to Tyr. However, I opposed the
Dictatorship, publicly defended several officers of the Republic against
unfounded charges, and was removed from office. It is not my purpose to
re-fight old wars, but only to explain my absence from the political life
of Nova Roma since that time. Naturally, if the Republic now calls upon
me, it will be an honor to serve.

I have continued to develop romanitas during the intervening years. I
first became legatus of California in AUC MMDCCLIII under the propraetrix
Helena Cornelia Ovidia, and continued to serve under the proconsuls Lucius
Cornelius Sulla Felix and Quintus Fabius Maximus. In that capacity I
created the California Provincia website,
<www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/provincia>. I was inducted as a Sodalus
Palatinus in AUC MMDCCLVIII. I continued to improve and expand the Via
Sacra Martiana, which now also includes temples of Bellona, Cernunnos,
Mangal, Minerva, Nergal, and Victoria, although work remains.

I have made some efforts to promote romanitas beyond the confines of Nova
Roma. My initial idea for a master’s thesis in international relations was
a comparative study of the emergence of Rome as a Mediterranean superpower
from the Punic Wars and the emergence of the United States as global
superpower from the World Wars, with an analysis of parallel
political-economic trends leading to collapse of the republic and the
establishment of the principate in the former case... and so what of the
latter case? Although I decided to turn to another project for my thesis,
this remains a project of interest that I plan to take up again at some
point. I did, in any case, during this period, write an essay, “Roma
Quarta et Terra Nostra: America's Future in a Unipolar World” (attached),
which won me a World Affairs Council of Northern California
scholarship. Also, I published an opinion editorial, “Latini Omnes Sunt”
(attached), in the Berkeley Daily Planet. Along with my partner and my
son, I am currently taking a course in Italian, and concurrently, I am
attempting to develop some facility in Latin.

During my years of relative quiescence with regard to Nova Roma, I have
developed skills and expertise that I believe will be of value to Nova
Roma. In addition to obtaining a master’s degree in international
relations, I have developed considerable expertise regarding the US
presidential electoral system. The systematic plan I have developed to
reform the presidential nomination process, known as the American Plan,
<http://www.americanplan.org>, is a newcomer to the national debate, but is
elbowing aside more established concepts. This has been accomplished
through engaging in on-the-ground politics, speaking before many local
committees, and briefing a number of office-holders, and recruiting some
volunteers. This is the experience I can bring to the governance of
California Provincia. I will not insult your intelligence by declaring
that the governance of California Provincia will be the focus of my life;
however, I can state that my activities in American politics will inform my
efforts in California on behalf of Nova Roma, and that perhaps my efforts
in California on behalf of Nova Roma will in part inform my activities in
American politics. California is, after all, a state with a large Hispanic
population, and a not-inconsiderable Italian population. Latini omnes sunt.

As a final qualification, I offer my Roman lineage. About six months ago I
discovered my descent from royal lines that lead back to both the eastern
and western Roman Empires. Among my direct ancestors are Imperator
Theodoros I Laskaris (1175-1222), Imperator Isaac II Angelos (ca
1155-1204), Imperator Manolis I Komnenos (1122-1180), Imperator Ioannis II
Komnenos (1087-1143), Imperator Alexios I Komnenos (1048-1118), Caesar
Ioannis Doukas (1012-1088), Imperator Konstantinos X Doukas (1006-1067),
Imperator Romanos II Makedonis (940-963), Imperator Konstantinos VII
“Porphygenitos” Makedonis (906-959), Caesar Bardas Phokas (890-969),
Imperator Romanos I Lekapenos (ca. 869-948), Imperator Leon VI “Sophos”
Makedonis (866-912), Imperator Basileos I Makedonis (812-886), Praefectus
Praetorio Galliarum Tonantius Ferreolus (ca. 420-476), Consul Flavius
Afranius Syagrius (334-399), Consul Afranius Hannibalianus (b. ca. 240),
and Consul Suffectus Hannibalianus (b. ca. 215). Imperator Marcus
Maecilius Flavius Eparchius Avitus (395-456) is a first cousin 51 times
removed. I can state with some pride that my 48th great-grandfather
Tonantius Ferreolus commanded a Roman formation at Chalons in 453, where we
kicked Attila’s nasty Hunnish ass. (His daughter Tonantia Ferreola, my
47th great-grandmother, married Sigimerus I, a Merovingian, and if one puts
credence in certain unsubstantiated rumors, I may have a Judean carpenter
in the woodpile. No one is perfect.) Nihilominus, Romanus sum, et non
novus homo.

My vision for developing romanitas in California is as follows. Primus,
non facere, nisi alii regere facere. I will reach out to other citizens
with the aim of recruiting and encouraging motivated individuals in each
major metropolitan area­-Sacramento, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Los Angeles,
and San Diego­-who will serve as legati, and develop local organizations
and activities. It may be that California Provincia has suffered from
being too much of a virtual province; I believe it is important to promote
more in-person activities and gatherings. I will reach out to reenactment
groups outside of Nova Roma, such as Legio VI Victrix, Legio IX Hispana,
Legio X Fretensis Cohors IV, the Society for Creative Anachronism, and
pagan religious groups. I will look into the “Go Roman” college campus
activities that Tiberius Galerius Paulinus mentioned to me. There are a
number of Celtic/Scottish Games held annually in the province, at which the
Roman military reenactment groups often have a presence, and these might
serve as venues for Roman gatherings while we develop an organization that
can put on its own events. This is in keeping with established Roman
practice: to adapt somewhat to the local culture, and in the end assimilate
the local culture. Resistere futilis est.

Finally, although I believe progress is likely to be slow at first, I will
endeavor to report my progress to the Senate on a quarterly basis.

Mars nos protegis! Ad Martem!

Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Paterfamilias, Gangalia
Patergeneris, Martiana
Sodalus Palatinus
Legatus, California Superior
Lictor
Aedilis Curule, MMDCCLII

Enclosures:
1. “Roma Quarta et Terra Nostra: America's Future in a Unipolar
World,” 24 Feb 2004.
http://pweb.jps.net/~gangale/opsa/ir/Asilomar_2004_Schol_App.htm

2. “Latini Omnes Sunt,” 5 May 2006.
http://www.berkeleydaily.org/text/article.cfm?issue=05-02-06&storyID=24038

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Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Fl. Galerio Aureliano salutem dicit

I don't think he is the same person you are thinking of. But as a Salii he
should be paying his taxes, and he is not. If he doesn't think it important
enough to pay taxes then why should the senate think it important enough to
appoint him governor?

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 2/20/07, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...> wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Candidate for Tribunis Plebis S.P.D.
>
> I recall that several years ago that a citizen claimed direct descent from
> a number of prominent Romans and Hellenes (some of whom were emperors) and
> that this entitled him to a post in the NR Senate. Naturally, he was roundly
> and soundly ridiculed on the NR ML as that citizen could not support his
> claims. I sincerely hope that this gentleman from Provincia California is
> not the same person.
>
> However, as a member of the Collegium Pontificum, I can post with
> certainty that Marcus Martianus Gangalius is one of the Salii (aka Leaping
> Priest of Mars) of the Palatinus along with Lucius Martianus Paullus.
>
> I cannot speak to any of his other accomplishments or offices that he has
> listed in the letter he has submitted regarding his willingness to become
> Praetor of Provincia California.
>
> Valete.
>


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Cn. Lentulus Quiritibus SPD


Our Senate has clarified many times, and recently a few weeks ago, that provinces have no Praetores but Propraetores -- or Proconsules if the governor was consul before appointed governor.

I humbly ask my fellow citizens hereby, please be accurate and consequent.


Cúráte, utí valeátis optimé!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
R O G A T O R
-------------------------------
Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis Ti. Galerii Paulini
Scriba Aedilis Curulis Iuliae Caesaris Cytheridis Aeges
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------
Decurio I. Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Candidate for Tribunis Plebis S.P.D.
>
> I recall that several years ago that a citizen claimed direct descent from a number of prominent Romans and Hellenes (some of whom were emperors) and that this entitled him to a post in the NR Senate. Naturally, he was roundly and soundly ridiculed on the NR ML as that citizen could not support his claims. I sincerely hope that this gentleman from Provincia California is not the same person.

No, I think it's a Fabius from Germany that you're thinking of; he
disappeared after a few weeks.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

-"Apes don't read philosophy."
-"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct
you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of
Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London Underground is
not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up."
-from "A Fish Called Wanda"

Salve Gnae Corneli,

A good reminder. I must admit that when I became a new citizen I had
to keep a dictionary and The Encyclopedia of Ancient Rome at my side
for a spell until many of these terms became familiar and sunk into
my head.

Regards,

QSP






--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

>
> Cn. Lentulus Quiritibus SPD
>
>
> Our Senate has clarified many times, and recently a few weeks

ago, that provinces have no Praetores but Propraetores -- or
Proconsules if the governor was consul before appointed governor.

>
> I humbly ask my fellow citizens hereby, please be accurate and

consequent.

>
>
> Cúráte, utí valeátis optimé!
>
>
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
> R O G A T O R
> -------------------------------
> Propraetor Provinciae Pannoniae
> Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
> Accensus Consulis Ti. Galerii Paulini
> Scriba Aedilis Curulis Iuliae Caesaris Cytheridis Aeges
> Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
> -------------------------------
> Decurio I. Sodalitatis Latinitatis
> Dominus Factionis Russatae
> Latinista, Classicus Philologus
>
>
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Salvete,

I join Flavius Galerius Aurelianus in sincerely hoping that I am not
the same person who "claimed direct descent from a number of prominent
Romans and Hellenes (some of whom were emperors) and that this
entitled him to a post in the NR Senate." Although I am somewhat
fascinated by the ancestry I have discovered, given that it is
accurate, these are not my accomplishments... it is they who performed
all of these acts of coitus. Also, if one considers the mathematics
of genealogy, probably hundreds of millions of European descent have
these say illustrious ancestors; one merely has to do the research.

Meanwhile, I will let my own accomplishments speak for themselves:

Aerospace engineering
http://www.sae.org/servlets/productDetail?PROD_TYP=PAPER&PROD_CD=2005-01-2792

Astrodynamics
http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/content/abstract/1065/1/296

Astrosociology
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=406&lquery=gangale%20AND%20V_Source%3D1&sort=Score,Desc&a=1&n=200&ms=1
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=406&lquery=gangale%20AND%20V_Source%3D1&sort=Score,Desc&a=1&n=200&ms=1

Comparative religion
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/mars/index.htm

English literature
http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?S=R&bookbin=8736618366&bid=8736618366&siteID=xoZraCfY0Ik-yY0RGgJMW0Rm8iKjTJi29A
http://www.erbzine.com/mag16/1630.html

International law
http://www.mcgill.ca/iasl/annals/contents/2006/

Planetary science
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V6T-4H8FPXR-2&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F06%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=summary&_orig=browse&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5213bc3d244197d16759c6cd83e2b33a

Political commentary
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/06/EDGAN43SE51.DTL
http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2006/10/schwarzenegger_27.html

Political science
http://journals.cambridge.org/bin/bladerunner?30REQEVENT=&REQAUTH=0&500000REQSUB=&REQSTR1=S1049096504003798
http://www.ecampus.com/book/007310681X

If you want to know more about me, I am not difficult to find on the Web.

As for not having paid my taxes last year, that was an act of
political protest. As for this year, the check is in the mail.

Valete,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Fl. Galerio Aureliano salutem dicit
>
> I don't think he is the same person you are thinking of. But as a

Salii he

> should be paying his taxes, and he is not. If he doesn't think it

important

> enough to pay taxes then why should the senate think it important

enough to

> appoint him governor?
>
> Vale:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On 2/20/07, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...> wrote:
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Candidate for Tribunis Plebis S.P.D.
> >
> > I recall that several years ago that a citizen claimed direct

descent from

> > a number of prominent Romans and Hellenes (some of whom were

emperors) and

> > that this entitled him to a post in the NR Senate. Naturally, he

was roundly

> > and soundly ridiculed on the NR ML as that citizen could not

support his

> > claims. I sincerely hope that this gentleman from Provincia

California is

> > not the same person.
> >
> > However, as a member of the Collegium Pontificum, I can post with
> > certainty that Marcus Martianus Gangalius is one of the Salii (aka

Leaping

> > Priest of Mars) of the Palatinus along with Lucius Martianus Paullus.
> >
> > I cannot speak to any of his other accomplishments or offices that

he has

> > listed in the letter he has submitted regarding his willingness to

become

> > Praetor of Provincia California.
> >
> > Valete.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete citizens,

You can find this book at most book stores or get it from Amazon.com
or ca.I found it and still find it a great help:

A Dictionary of the Roman Empire (Paperback)
by Matthew Bunson (Author)

It is a big paperback and well worth the money.

Regards,

QSP

Salvete,

You are right; those numbers of relations really add up over time.
My niece has done over 20 years of research and went back to the
late 1200's on my mother's side. There are enough names and
ancestors to fill a small phone book dictionary from what I see and
things get kind of meaningless as there are too many to remember. My
father's side goes back only 150 years as one of my great great
grandmothers got a bun in the oven out of wedlock and all sorts of
things were covered up, doctored and all that stuff! Such was
Ireland then.

That Fabius was claiming decendency from the Roman aristocracy and
some questioned how he really knew. Apparently things, even for the
rich European artistocracy become very murky after the 11 or 1200's
and they have some difficulty as well from what I read. Some of us
joked with this fellow and another citizen implied that he probably
was descended from some lout of a barbarian or worse at which point
he threatened to kill a citizen for dishonoring his family name.
Ah, what the hell, all families can find their black sheep who were
shipped to the penal colonies, hanged, beheaded et al, starting with
mine!


Regards,

QSP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Gangale" <marcus@...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete,
>
> I join Flavius Galerius Aurelianus in sincerely hoping that I am

not

> the same person who "claimed direct descent from a number of

prominent

> Romans and Hellenes (some of whom were emperors) and that this
> entitled him to a post in the NR Senate." Although I am somewhat
> fascinated by the ancestry I have discovered, given that it is
> accurate, these are not my accomplishments... it is they who

performed

> all of these acts of coitus. Also, if one considers the

mathematics

> of genealogy, probably hundreds of millions of European descent

have

> these say illustrious ancestors; one merely has to do the research.
>
> Meanwhile, I will let my own accomplishments speak for themselves:
>

Salvete omnes,

As of late, I find this yahoo is running slower than exlax going down
a 100 foot snake, especially posting and reading messages. My computer
is brand new so I don't know what is up. Anyone else having problems?

QSP

SALVE !

Me, too. I can access only groups.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> As of late, I find this yahoo is running slower than exlax going

down

> a 100 foot snake, especially posting and reading messages. My

computer

> is brand new so I don't know what is up. Anyone else having problems?
>
> QSP
>

In a message dated 2/20/2007 10:48:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
hucke@... writes:
No, I think it's a Fabius from Germany that you're thinking of; he
disappeared after a few weeks.
Actually, he was an Italian Fabio from Switzerland. Most Italians from the
Latinum area in Italy claim some descent from one of the Famous Families of the
Republic.
When Gens freed slaves, they often took the gens name. So there might be a
sliver of truth there. Fabius claims that he was descended from a Fabian Pope
of the 400s caused some of the derision mentioned, but it was his demand that
as the true Fabian he control the Gens, and have a seat on the Senate, really
caused the uproar. A Nota caused his disappearance.

Q. Fabius Maximus


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve,

Yes, the mathematics are interesting. For instance, starting with my
son and going back 30 generations, I have Henry II Plantagenet of
England as a progenetor. Theoretically, he is one of 2^30 =
1,073,741,824 progenitors of the same generation. However, in the
12th century, the global population was less than half that, about 400
million. Of course, cousins marry (I married my 18th cousin, as it
turns out), and when you get back to the Ptolemies, that really
retards the proliferation of ancestors, since the children of siblings
have only two grandparents. That tends to retard other things as well....

I have also tapped into ancestral lines preserved in Norse sagas, so I
have no end of barbarian louts in my ancestry. I won't kill anyone
who insults them, but it might be unwise to do so nonetheless; their
shades might take offense and descend upon the maledictor with a
vengeance. They were a terribly violent lot, after all.

It's all interesting stuff, but nothing to obsess about.

Vale,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete,
>
> You are right; those numbers of relations really add up over time.
> My niece has done over 20 years of research and went back to the
> late 1200's on my mother's side. There are enough names and
> ancestors to fill a small phone book dictionary from what I see and
> things get kind of meaningless as there are too many to remember. My
> father's side goes back only 150 years as one of my great great
> grandmothers got a bun in the oven out of wedlock and all sorts of
> things were covered up, doctored and all that stuff! Such was
> Ireland then.
>
> That Fabius was claiming decendency from the Roman aristocracy and
> some questioned how he really knew. Apparently things, even for the
> rich European artistocracy become very murky after the 11 or 1200's
> and they have some difficulty as well from what I read. Some of us
> joked with this fellow and another citizen implied that he probably
> was descended from some lout of a barbarian or worse at which point
> he threatened to kill a citizen for dishonoring his family name.
> Ah, what the hell, all families can find their black sheep who were
> shipped to the penal colonies, hanged, beheaded et al, starting with
> mine!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> QSP
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Gangale" <marcus@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > I join Flavius Galerius Aurelianus in sincerely hoping that I am
> not
> > the same person who "claimed direct descent from a number of
> prominent
> > Romans and Hellenes (some of whom were emperors) and that this
> > entitled him to a post in the NR Senate." Although I am somewhat
> > fascinated by the ancestry I have discovered, given that it is
> > accurate, these are not my accomplishments... it is they who
> performed
> > all of these acts of coitus. Also, if one considers the
> mathematics
> > of genealogy, probably hundreds of millions of European descent
> have
> > these say illustrious ancestors; one merely has to do the research.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I will let my own accomplishments speak for themselves:
> >
>

Salvete Omnes !!

I, too, have experienced the same identical problems, it's propbably due to Yahoo's
security activities, that consistantly slow normal activities. They have installed new id screens with added firewalls and are actively combatting spyware activity as well as phishing schemes. I've been with Yahoo over 12 years, so I'm fairly familiar with their Security MO.

As for my boa constrictor, Sssyrrill, she does'nt need Exlax, just a handy dose of "Mouselix" for better fiber with her Ratseroni with Mouserella Cheese. :>

Vale:
D Svetonivs Lvpvs

Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
SALVE !

Me, too. I can access only groups.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> As of late, I find this yahoo is running slower than exlax going

down

> a 100 foot snake, especially posting and reading messages. My

computer

> is brand new so I don't know what is up. Anyone else having problems?
>
> QSP
>

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Salve Marcus Martianus Gangalius

I read something recently that stated tha nearly 80% of the residents of Great Britian are decendents of Edward III the grandson of Edward I ie Longshanks from braveheart. Edward III, had 12 children!

" Roderick W. Stuart says in his book Royalty for Commoners
(3rd edition 1998) that the American descendants of Edward III
"number in the millions." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Descent%5d"


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Gangale<mailto:marcus@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Praetor of California Provincia


Salvete,

I join Flavius Galerius Aurelianus in sincerely hoping that I am not
the same person who "claimed direct descent from a number of prominent
Romans and Hellenes (some of whom were emperors) and that this
entitled him to a post in the NR Senate." Although I am somewhat
fascinated by the ancestry I have discovered, given that it is
accurate, these are not my accomplishments... it is they who performed
all of these acts of coitus. Also, if one considers the mathematics
of genealogy, probably hundreds of millions of European descent have
these say illustrious ancestors; one merely has to do the research.

Meanwhile, I will let my own accomplishments speak for themselves:

Aerospace engineering
http://www.sae.org/servlets/productDetail?PROD_TYP=PAPER&PROD_CD=2005-01-2792<http://www.sae.org/servlets/productDetail?PROD_TYP=PAPER&PROD_CD=2005-01-2792>

Astrodynamics
http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/content/abstract/1065/1/296<http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/content/abstract/1065/1/296>

Astrosociology
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=406&lquery=gangale%20AND%20V_Source%3D1&sort=Score,Desc&a=1&n=200&ms=1<http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=406&lquery=gangale%20AND%20V_Source%3D1&sort=Score,Desc&a=1&n=200&ms=1>
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=406&lquery=gangale%20AND%20V_Source%3D1&sort=Score,Desc&a=1&n=200&ms=1<http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=406&lquery=gangale%20AND%20V_Source%3D1&sort=Score,Desc&a=1&n=200&ms=1>

Comparative religion
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/mars/index.htm<http://www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/mars/index.htm>

English literature
http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?S=R&bookbin=8736618366&bid=8736618366&siteID=xoZraCfY0Ik-yY0RGgJMW0Rm8iKjTJi29A<http://www.alibriscom/search/detail.cfm?S=R&bookbin=8736618366&bid=8736618366&siteID=xoZraCfY0Ik-yY0RGgJMW0Rm8iKjTJi29A>
http://www.erbzine.com/mag16/1630.html<http://www.erbzine.com/mag16/1630.html>

International law
http://www.mcgill.ca/iasl/annals/contents/2006/<http://www.mcgill.ca/iasl/annals/contents/2006/>

Planetary science
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V6T-4H8FPXR-2&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F06%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=summary&_orig=browse&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5213bc3d244197d16759c6cd83e2b33a<http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V6T-4H8FPXR-2&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F06%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=summary&_orig=browse&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5213bc3d244197d16759c6cd83e2b33a>

Political commentary
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/06/EDGAN43SE51.DTL<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/06/EDGAN43SE51.DTL>
http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2006/10/schwarzenegger_27.html<http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2006/10/schwarzenegger_27.html>

Political science
http://journals.cambridge.org/bin/bladerunner?30REQEVENT=&REQAUTH=0&500000REQSUB=&REQSTR1=S1049096504003798<http://journals.cambridge.org/bin/bladerunner?30REQEVENT=&REQAUTH=0&500000REQSUB=&REQSTR1=S1049096504003798>
http://www.ecampus.com/book/007310681X<http://www.ecampus.com/book/007310681X>

If you want to know more about me, I am not difficult to find on the Web.

As for not having paid my taxes last year, that was an act of
political protest. As for this year, the check is in the mail.

Valete,
Marcus Martianus Gangalius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Fl. Galerio Aureliano salutem dicit
>
> I don't think he is the same person you are thinking of. But as a
Salii he
> should be paying his taxes, and he is not. If he doesn't think it
important
> enough to pay taxes then why should the senate think it important
enough to
> appoint him governor?
>
> Vale:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On 2/20/07, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...> wrote:
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Candidate for Tribunis Plebis S.P.D.
> >
> > I recall that several years ago that a citizen claimed direct
descent from
> > a number of prominent Romans and Hellenes (some of whom were
emperors) and
> > that this entitled him to a post in the NR Senate. Naturally, he
was roundly
> > and soundly ridiculed on the NR ML as that citizen could not
support his
> > claims. I sincerely hope that this gentleman from Provincia
California is
> > not the same person.
> >
> > However, as a member of the Collegium Pontificum, I can post with
> > certainty that Marcus Martianus Gangalius is one of the Salii (aka
Leaping
> > Priest of Mars) of the Palatinus along with Lucius Martianus Paullus.
> >
> > I cannot speak to any of his other accomplishments or offices that
he has
> > listed in the letter he has submitted regarding his willingness to
become
> > Praetor of Provincia California.
> >
> > Valete.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus is a candidate for Tribune and
I can not recommend him higher.

He has been an active citizen for over five years and
has served ability as a scribe, accensus and Rogator.
He is one of our most active proprietors ( governor).
He is a hard working Flamen Cerealis and a dedicated
practitioner of the Religio Romana.

I can not stress how important it is to elect as Tribune,
a person of sound mind, balanced disposition
and reasoned intellect.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus is all of these and more.

Please vote for Fl. Galerius Aurelianus as Tribune.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Valetudo quod fortuna omnes;

In case anyone was worried ,-)

Venator lives.

Until a week or so ago, I was under the malignant influence of
influenza and internal infection.

My doctor posits that no permanent damage has been done to my vitals.

Looking forward to catching up.

--
=========================================
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Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
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http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
I firmly ask all plebeians to vote for me as tribune.
If you want your rights preserved, if you want a candidate who will
actively fight for them. Then vote for me.
I am sure Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus will never
tell Fl. Galerius to be quiet or leave the Main List;-) But then
historically the tribunes of the plebs have been fiery pains!
So vote for
Marca Hortensia Maior Fiery Tribune!
producer "Vox Romana" podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/



- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus is a candidate for Tribune and
> I can not recommend him higher.
>
> He has been an active citizen for over five years and
> has served ability as a scribe, accensus and Rogator.
> He is one of our most active proprietors ( governor).
> He is a hard working Flamen Cerealis and a dedicated
> practitioner of the Religio Romana.
>
> I can not stress how important it is to elect as Tribune,
> a person of sound mind, balanced disposition
> and reasoned intellect.
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus is all of these and more.
>
> Please vote for Fl. Galerius Aurelianus as Tribune.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete, omnes.

A weird thing happened on my way to the Forum -- I linked to the Internet yesterday to find that half my bookmarks had mysteriously vanished overnight. I never heard of such a thing before; has anyone? I cannot possibly have absent-mindedly deleted them myself; there were hundreds of them. I did frequently encounter the Dreaded Pinwheel of Doom the previous day, repeatedly forcing me to turn off the computer manually at the power strip / surge protector and then reboot; maybe that had something to do with it.

Anyway, I have my bookmark folders lined up alphabetically, and the ones that disappeared were all in the second half of the alphabet. This includes, obviously, my NR-etc. folder. Now, the NR basics can be reconstructed just by going to the main website and ambling around therein; but what is causing me to go Aarrgh a lot is the -etc.: I lost a nifty collection of links to online temples, religio info, archaeological goodies, history sites, personal home-pages, and so forth -- things encountered fortuitously, linked to from other sites, recommended by various Romani in messages to this and other lists -- you get the idea.

Can you help? If you know of sites you think I ought to have bookmarked, please send me the URLs. But rather than clog this list, please send them to me off-list instead: tellure at earthlink dot net. Please reference this message in the Subject field. Thank you for your help.

After I collect a bunch, because many of them might be of interest to others, I’ll compile them into one message here.

I am now creating a document that lists all the URLs of all the sites that did *not* disappear. Half the horses may be gone, but by gollies that barn door will be locked!

Valete!
Volentia the Unlinked

Salve Tiberi Galeri Pauline,

Yes, Edward III was one of mine, a 19th GGF. The nefarious Richard
III (who in real life wasn't so bad) was a first cousin 17 times
removed, and Macbeth murdered Duncan, my 28th GGF. I did an analysis
of the dramatis personae of Shakespeare's histories, and I'm related
to a third of them. It's rather intriguing to see ones family's
squabbles reenacted on stage. Is that why they call us commoners,
because it is so common to be descended from royals and peers?

In an attempt to bring this back on topic, I would like to point out
that the Romans were very snobbish about ancestry. If you were a
novus homo, the sun had better have shone out of your arse. Cicero,
for instance, was considered a country bumpkin. Ancestry may count
for less nowadays--who you are is more important than who your
progenitors were--and that's all to the good, yet a sense of family
history is an important component of romanitas. Just don't let it go
to your head; Gaius "Caligula" Caesar had an impeccable pedigree.

In my view,the overall perspectives one gains from genealogy are 1)
that it puts history in a familial and personal context, and 2) that
we are all cousins, so why are we still hating and killing?

Marcus Martianus Gangalius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Marcus Martianus Gangalius
>
> I read something recently that stated tha nearly 80% of the
residents of Great Britian are decendents of Edward III the grandson
of Edward I ie Longshanks from braveheart. Edward III, had 12 children!
>
> " Roderick W. Stuart says in his book Royalty for Commoners
> (3rd edition 1998) that the American descendants of Edward III
> "number in the millions." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Descent%5d"
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Gangale<mailto:marcus@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:14 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Praetor of California Provincia
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> I join Flavius Galerius Aurelianus in sincerely hoping that I am not
> the same person who "claimed direct descent from a number of prominent
> Romans and Hellenes (some of whom were emperors) and that this
> entitled him to a post in the NR Senate." Although I am somewhat
> fascinated by the ancestry I have discovered, given that it is
> accurate, these are not my accomplishments... it is they who performed
> all of these acts of coitus. Also, if one considers the mathematics
> of genealogy, probably hundreds of millions of European descent have
> these say illustrious ancestors; one merely has to do the research.
>
> Meanwhile, I will let my own accomplishments speak for themselves:
>
> Aerospace engineering
>
http://www.sae.org/servlets/productDetail?PROD_TYP=PAPER&PROD_CD=2005-01-2792<http://www.sae.org/servlets/productDetail?PROD_TYP=PAPER&PROD_CD=2005-01-2792>
>
> Astrodynamics
>
http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/content/abstract/1065/1/296<http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/content/abstract/1065/1/296>
>
> Astrosociology
>
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=406&lquery=gangale%20AND%20V_Source%3D1&sort=Score,Desc&a=1&n=200&ms=1<http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=406&lquery=gangale%20AND%20V_Source%3D1&sort=Score,Desc&a=1&n=200&ms=1>
>
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=406&lquery=gangale%20AND%20V_Source%3D1&sort=Score,Desc&a=1&n=200&ms=1<http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=406&lquery=gangale%20AND%20V_Source%3D1&sort=Score,Desc&a=1&n=200&ms=1>
>
> Comparative religion
>
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/mars/index.htm<http://www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/mars/index.htm>
>
> English literature
>
http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?S=R&bookbin=8736618366&bid=8736618366&siteID=xoZraCfY0Ik-yY0RGgJMW0Rm8iKjTJi29A<http://www.alibriscom/search/detail.cfm?S=R&bookbin=8736618366&bid=8736618366&siteID=xoZraCfY0Ik-yY0RGgJMW0Rm8iKjTJi29A>
>
http://www.erbzine.com/mag16/1630.html<http://www.erbzine.com/mag16/1630.html>
>
> International law
>
http://www.mcgill.ca/iasl/annals/contents/2006/<http://www.mcgill.ca/iasl/annals/contents/2006/>
>
> Planetary science
>
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V6T-4H8FPXR-2&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F06%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=summary&_orig=browse&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5213bc3d244197d16759c6cd83e2b33a<http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V6T-4H8FPXR-2&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F06%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=summary&_orig=browse&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5213bc3d244197d16759c6cd83e2b33a>
>
> Political commentary
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/06/EDGAN43SE51.DTL<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/06/EDGAN43SE51.DTL>
>
http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2006/10/schwarzenegger_27.html<http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2006/10/schwarzenegger_27.html>
>
> Political science
>
http://journals.cambridge.org/bin/bladerunner?30REQEVENT=&REQAUTH=0&500000REQSUB=&REQSTR1=S1049096504003798<http://journals.cambridge.org/bin/bladerunner?30REQEVENT=&REQAUTH=0&500000REQSUB=&REQSTR1=S1049096504003798>
>
http://www.ecampus.com/book/007310681X<http://www.ecampus.com/book/007310681X>
>
> If you want to know more about me, I am not difficult to find on
the Web.
>
> As for not having paid my taxes last year, that was an act of
> political protest. As for this year, the check is in the mail.
>
> Valete,
> Marcus Martianus Gangalius
>
> --- In
Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>, "David
Kling (Modianus)"
> <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Fl. Galerio Aureliano salutem dicit
> >
> > I don't think he is the same person you are thinking of. But as a
> Salii he
> > should be paying his taxes, and he is not. If he doesn't think it
> important
> > enough to pay taxes then why should the senate think it important
> enough to
> > appoint him governor?
> >
> > Vale:
> >
> > Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
> >
> > On 2/20/07, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Candidate for Tribunis Plebis S.P.D.
> > >
> > > I recall that several years ago that a citizen claimed direct
> descent from
> > > a number of prominent Romans and Hellenes (some of whom were
> emperors) and
> > > that this entitled him to a post in the NR Senate. Naturally, he
> was roundly
> > > and soundly ridiculed on the NR ML as that citizen could not
> support his
> > > claims. I sincerely hope that this gentleman from Provincia
> California is
> > > not the same person.
> > >
> > > However, as a member of the Collegium Pontificum, I can post with
> > > certainty that Marcus Martianus Gangalius is one of the Salii (aka
> Leaping
> > > Priest of Mars) of the Palatinus along with Lucius Martianus
Paullus.
> > >
> > > I cannot speak to any of his other accomplishments or offices that
> he has
> > > listed in the letter he has submitted regarding his willingness to
> become
> > > Praetor of Provincia California.
> > >
> > > Valete.
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem IX Kalendas Martias; haec dies fastus publicus est.

"And the grave must be honoured. Appease your fathers'
Spirits, and bring little gifts to the tombs you built.
Their shades ask little, piety they prefer to costly
Offerings: no greedy deities haunt the Stygian depths.
A tile wreathed round with garlands offered is enough,
A scattering of meal, and a few grains of salt,
And bread soaked in wine, and loose violets:
Set them on a brick left in the middle of the path...
And hide the gods, closing those revealing temple doors,
Let the altars be free of incense, the hearths without fire.
Now ghostly spirits and the entombed dead wander,
Now the shadow feeds on the nourishment that's offered.
But it only lasts till there are no more days in the month
Than the feet that my metres possess.
This day they call the Feralia because they bear [ferunt]
Offerings to the dead: the last day to propitiate the shades." - Ovid,
Fasti II


Today is the celebration of the Feralia, ending the Parentalia, and is
held in honor of Iuppiter Feretrius and the infernal powers.
"Feretrius" is one of Iuppiter's titles, and in this capacity Iuppiter
was called upon to witness the signing of contracts and marriages. An
oath was taken that asked Iuppiter to strike down the person if they
swore the oath falsely. Spirits (manes) of the dead were said to
hover above graves on this day, and provisions were put out for them.
Some sources believe that the Roman contact with the Celtic
observances of a feast of the dead combined to create the foundations
of the holiday we now celebrate as All Hallows' Eve, or Hallowe'en.
Today is the last day of the Roman year in which to placate ghosts;
tomorrow, the living are appeased. Today the temples would be opened
at noon, and the time of religious devotion, the "tempus religiosum",
came to a close. Magistrates would lay down their insignia of office
and offer up prayers on behalf of the State.

The mysterious meaning of "FP" may have its roots in the observance of
the Feralia as a "fastus (or 'feria') publicus" during the Republic;
Republican calendars are marked with "FP" for this day, but after
Augustus they are marked simply "F", for "fastus". Because the actual
rites involved in the observance of the Feralia can only be guessed
at, we do not know why this change was made.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Feralia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feralia) and
(http://www.musesrealm.net/rome/festivalsinfo.html) and
(http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/feralia)

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

As candidate for Tribune, I give my oath before Dii Immortales that
I will support the Constitution and laws of Nova Roma to the best of
my ability. I will always try to resolve all violations of the
spirit or letter of the law through communication and consultation
with my colleagues before invoking the use of intercessio. I will
keep my speech moderate rather than fiery to avoid spreading dissent
or to encourage the Plebs to break the sancrosanctitas of the
Tribunes. I will keep my oaths and not make political promises.

Vote for Fl. Galerius Aurelianus for Tribunis Plebis VB ORP.

Valete.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

FGA: MARCA HORTENSIA, Paulinus Consul will never HAVE to tell me to
be quiet because my speech will always be moderate and to the point
rather rabble-rousing and spurious. Plebeians, Vote for Fl. Galerius
Aurelianus who keeps his oaths and never makes political promises.
VB ORP.

M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
I firmly ask all plebeians to vote for me as tribune.
If you want your rights preserved, if you want a candidate who will
actively fight for them. Then vote for me.
I am sure Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus will never
tell Fl. Galerius to be quiet or leave the Main List;-) But then
historically the tribunes of the plebs have been fiery pains!
So vote for Marca Hortensia Maior Fiery Tribune!
producer "Vox Romana" podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/


>
> - In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus is a candidate for Tribune and
> > I can not recommend him higher.
> >
> > He has been an active citizen for over five years and
> > has served ability as a scribe, accensus and Rogator.
> > He is one of our most active proprietors ( governor).
> > He is a hard working Flamen Cerealis and a dedicated
> > practitioner of the Religio Romana.
> >
> > I can not stress how important it is to elect as Tribune,
> > a person of sound mind, balanced disposition
> > and reasoned intellect.
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus is all of these and more.
> >
> > Please vote for Fl. Galerius Aurelianus as Tribune.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus for Tribunis Plebis


Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

As candidate for Tribune, I give my oath before Dii Immortales that
I will support the Constitution and laws of Nova Roma to the best of
my ability. I will always try to resolve all violations of the
spirit or letter of the law through communication and consultation
with my colleagues before invoking the use of intercessio. I will
keep my speech moderate rather than fiery to avoid spreading dissent
or to encourage the Plebs to break the sancrosanctitas of the
Tribunes. I will keep my oaths and not make political promises.

Vote for Fl. Galerius Aurelianus for Tribunis Plebis VB ORP.

Valete.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

FGA: MARCA HORTENSIA, Paulinus Consul will never HAVE to tell me to
be quiet because my speech will always be moderate and to the point
rather than rabble-rousing and spurious. Plebeians, Vote for Fl.
Galerius Aurelianus who keeps his oaths and never makes political
promises.
VB ORP.

M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
I firmly ask all plebeians to vote for me as tribune.
If you want your rights preserved, if you want a candidate who will
actively fight for them. Then vote for me.
I am sure Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus will never
tell Fl. Galerius to be quiet or leave the Main List;-) But then
historically the tribunes of the plebs have been fiery pains!
So vote for Marca Hortensia Maior Fiery Tribune!
producer "Vox Romana" podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/


>
> - In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus is a candidate for Tribune and
> > I can not recommend him higher.
> >
> > He has been an active citizen for over five years and
> > has served ability as a scribe, accensus and Rogator.
> > He is one of our most active proprietors ( governor).
> > He is a hard working Flamen Cerealis and a dedicated
> > practitioner of the Religio Romana.
> >
> > I can not stress how important it is to elect as Tribune,
> > a person of sound mind, balanced disposition
> > and reasoned intellect.
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus is all of these and more.
> >
> > Please vote for Fl. Galerius Aurelianus as Tribune.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

M.Hortensia pontifibus spd;
I wrote to Cordus about the calendar issue, a Dies
Religiosus being Comitialis. His reply is that your responsum -
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Responsum_Pontificum_de_Diebus_%
28Nova_Roma%29
the responsum pontificum de diebus Nova Roma is wrong. Especially
this characterization of a die Religiosus, which P. Memmius & myself
relied upon.

"These are always a dies nefastus (N), never a dies fastus (F),
dies comitiales (C) or dies nefastus publicus (NP). "

Cordus, who has done a lot of calendar research, replied that the
Calendar is correct so there is no problem with a day being
religiousus and comitialis...

I suggest you go over this Responsum, & make sure your research &
characterization of the days is correct. And change the NRwiki. The
cives rely upon it.
At the same time I definitely think Cordus, Albucius &
myself should get the rewards for being Pontiffs Minor! Cause that's
what we are doing when we do legal research in religious matters.
bene valete in pacem deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior
Candidate for Tribune of the Plebs

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
> M.Hortensia pontifibus spd;
> I wrote to Cordus about the calendar issue, a Dies
> Religiosus being Comitialis. His reply is that your responsum -
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Responsum_Pontificum_de_Diebus_%
> 28Nova_Roma%29
> the responsum pontificum de diebus Nova Roma is wrong. Especially
> this characterization of a die Religiosus, which P. Memmius & myself
> relied upon.
>
> "These are always a dies nefastus (N), never a dies fastus (F),
> dies comitiales (C) or dies nefastus publicus (NP). "
>
> Cordus, who has done a lot of calendar research, replied that the
> Calendar is correct so there is no problem with a day being
> religiousus and comitialis...
>
> I suggest you go over this Responsum, & make sure your research &
> characterization of the days is correct. And change the NRwiki. The
> cives rely upon it.
> At the same time I definitely think Cordus, Albucius &
> myself should get the rewards for being Pontiffs Minor! Cause that's
> what we are doing when we do legal research in religious matters.
> bene valete in pacem deorum
> Marca Hortensia Maior
> Candidate for Tribune of the Plebs

Salve
is not the law in NR that the Calendar is what the Pontifices says
it is ? not what was done in the past ( as much as we would like to do
what was done in the past) so if the Pontifices say that day X is y
thats what it is. and I would not be the one telling the CP "make sure
your research &

> characterization of the days is correct"

Vale
Marcus Cornelius Felix
ex-Pontifice

M. Hortensia M. Cornelio spd;
well as an ex-pontiff I expect you to follow this
discussion. This issue is that the pontiffs have posted 2
contradictory statements :

1. on the calendar the Dies Religiosi are marked "C" comitialis

2. they then posted the Responsum Pontificum de Diebus which states
that Dies Religiosi are NEVER "C" comitialis

So is the Dies Religiosus "C" comitialis or not "C". How do you
decide? By research! Yes, we are founded on the principle to
institute the best of Republican Rome. The Roman pontifices were
famous for their knowledge of religious law; that's the point of
being a pontiff.

We don't make it up as we go along; if you want to invent things
join some other group & do that. P. Memmius Albucius pointed out the
inconsistancy, & discussed it, I looked in my Roman law books for
similar instances & who would rectify the problem. Cordus did the
calendar research.

So yes, the CP needs to rectify what they posted , as no one else
can.
Roman pontifices were magistrates & lawyers, highly educated and
worldly, not irreproachable or infallible holy men. You are
confusing the cultus deorum with Christianity.
bene valete in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior
Candidate for Tribune of the Plebs

> Salve
> is not the law in NR that the Calendar is what the Pontifices

says

> it is ? not what was done in the past ( as much as we would like

to do

> what was done in the past) so if the Pontifices say that day X is y
> thats what it is. and I would not be the one telling the CP "make

sure

> your research &
> > characterization of the days is correct"
> Vale
> Marcus Cornelius Felix
> ex-Pontifice
>

Salvete,

I support Marca Hortensia for Tribune. Surely she is outspoken at
times, but her sense of justice and duty are beyond doubt and those
are the qualities for Tribune.

Valete,

On 21.2.2007, at 17:06, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> 7b. Marca Hortensia Maior for Tribune
> Posted by: "Maior" rory12001@... rory12001
> Date: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:46 pm ((PST))
>
> M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
> I firmly ask all plebeians to vote for me as tribune.
> If you want your rights preserved, if you want a candidate who will
> actively fight for them. Then vote for me.
> I am sure Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus will never
> tell Fl. Galerius to be quiet or leave the Main List;-) But then
> historically the tribunes of the plebs have been fiery pains!
> So vote for
> Marca Hortensia Maior Fiery Tribune!
> producer "Vox Romana" podcast
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/


C. Curius Saturninus

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

It appears that Marca Hortensia Maior is correct. There is a calander
discrepency and it is a very good thing that she found it out. All the
reason why she would make a good tribune. Just because the Collegium
Pontificum says one thing doesn't mean they cannot be wrong.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 2/21/07, wuffa2001 <magewuffa@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Salve
> is not the law in NR that the Calendar is what the Pontifices says
> it is ? not what was done in the past ( as much as we would like to do
> what was done in the past) so if the Pontifices say that day X is y
> thats what it is. and I would not be the one telling the CP "make sure
> your research &
> > characterization of the days is correct"
> Vale
> Marcus Cornelius Felix
> ex-Pontifice
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete omnes,

Here is some interesting news for this morning. Mythology is not
always out to lunch:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070222/ap_on_fe_st/new_zealand_colossal_sq
uid_4

Regards,

qsp

Salvete again,

I see the url is too long for this page; try here and you can get the
article for today:



http://www.yahoo.com/

QSP







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Here is some interesting news for this morning. Mythology is not
> always out to lunch:
>
>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070222/ap_on_fe_st/new_zealand_colossal_sq

> uid_4
>
> Regards,
>
> qsp
>

Salve Saturnine

I've already voted her.

Optime Vale

"C. Curius Saturninus" <c.curius@...> wrote:
Salvete,

I support Marca Hortensia for Tribune. Surely she is outspoken at
times, but her sense of justice and duty are beyond doubt and those
are the qualities for Tribune.

Valete,

On 21.2.2007, at 17:06, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> 7b. Marca Hortensia Maior for Tribune
> Posted by: "Maior" rory12001@... rory12001
> Date: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:46 pm ((PST))
>
> M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
> I firmly ask all plebeians to vote for me as tribune.
> If you want your rights preserved, if you want a candidate who will
> actively fight for them. Then vote for me.
> I am sure Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus will never
> tell Fl. Galerius to be quiet or leave the Main List;-) But then
> historically the tribunes of the plebs have been fiery pains!
> So vote for
> Marca Hortensia Maior Fiery Tribune!
> producer "Vox Romana" podcast
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/

C. Curius Saturninus

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org






Virtus atque Honor

Quintus Iulius Probus
Legatus Militum Provincia Dacia
Quaestor Nova Roma

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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VIII Kalendas Martias; haec dies comitialis est.


"But it was ordained after all that even he, as he was but a mortal,
should not be fortunate in everything, but should feel some stroke of
the envious god who, having from an insignificant man made him great
in a brief moment of time and raised him to wonderful and unexpected
distinction, plunged him the same day into the unhappy state of being
his sister's murderer. For when he arrived near the gates he saw a
multitude of people of all conditions pouring out from the city and
among them his sister running to meet him. At the first sight of her
he was distressed that a virgin ripe for marriage should have deserted
her household tasks at her mother's side and joined a crowd of
strangers. And though he indulged in many absurd reflections, he was
at last inclining to those which were honourable and generous, feeling
that in her yearning to be the first to embrace her surviving brother
and in her desire to receive an account from him of the gallant
behaviour of her dead brothers she had disregarded decorum in a moment
of feminine weakness. However, it was not, after all, her yearning
for her brothers that had led her to venture forth in this unusual
manner, but it was because she was overpowered by love for one of her
cousins to whom her father had promised her in marriage, a passion
which she had till then kept secret; and when she had overheard a man
who came from the camp relating the details of the combat, she could
no longer contain herself, but leaving the house, rushed to the city
gates like a maenad, without paying any heed to her nurse who called
her and ran to bring her back. But when she got outside the city and
saw her brother exulting and wearing the garlands of victory with
which the king had crowned him, and his friends carrying the spoils of
the slain, among which was an embroidered robe which she herself with
the assistance of her mother had woven and sent as a present to her
betrothed against their nuptial day (for it is the custom of the
Latins to array themselves in embroidered robes when they go to fetch
their brides), when, therefore, she saw this robe stained with blood,
she rent her garment, and beating her breast with both hands, fell to
lamenting and calling upon her cousin by name, so that great
astonishment came upon all who were present there. After she had
bewailed the death of her betrothed she stared with fixed gaze at her
brother and said: "Most abominable wretch, so you rejoice in having
slain your cousins and deprived your most unhappy sister of wedlock!
Miserable fellow! Why, you are not even touched with pity for your
slain kinsmen, whom you were wont to call your brothers, but instead,
as if you had performed some noble deed, you are beside yourself with
joy and wear garlands in honour of such calamities. Of what wild
beast, then, have you the heart?" And he, answering her, said: "The
heart of a citizen who loves his country and punishes those who wish
her ill, whether they happen to be foreigners or his own people. And
among such I count even you; for though you know that the greatest of
blessings and of woes have happened to us at one and the same time — I
mean the victory of your country, which I, your brother, am bringing
home with me, and the death of your brothers — you neither rejoice in
the public happiness of your country, wicked wretch, nor grieve at the
private calamities of your own family, but, overlooking your own
brothers, you lament the fate of your betrothed, and this, too, not
after taking yourself off somewhere alone under cover of darkness,
curse you! but beforeº the eyes of the whole world; and you reproach
me for my valour and my crowns of victory, you pretender to virginity,
you hater of your brothers and disgrace to your ancestors! Since,
therefore, you mourn, p85not for your brothers, but for your cousins,
and since, though your body is with the living, your soul is with him
who is dead, go to him on whom you call and cease to dishonour either
your father or your brothers."

After these words, being unable in his hatred of baseness to observe
moderation, but yielding to the anger which swayed him, he ran his
sword through her side; and having slain his sister, he went to his
father. But so averse to baseness and so stern were the manners and
thoughts of the Romans of that day and, to compare them with the
actions and lives of those of our age, so cruel and harsh and so
little removed from the savagery of wild beasts, that the father, upon
being informed of this terrible calamity, far from resenting it,
looked upon it as a glorious and becoming action. 8In fact, he would
neither permit his daughter's body to be brought into the house nor
allow her to be buried in the tomb of her ancestors or given any
funeral or burial robe or other customary rites; but as she lay there
where she had been cast, in the place where she was slain, the
passers-by, bringing stones and earth, buried her like any corpse
which had none to give it proper burial. 9Besides these instances of
the father's severity there were still others that I shall mention.
Thus, as if in gratitude for some glorious and fortunate achievements,
he offered that very day to the gods of his ancestors the sacrifices
he had vowed, and entertained his relations at a splendid banquet,
just as upon the greatest festivals, making less account of his
private calamities than of the public advantages of his country. This
not only Horatius but many other prominent Romans after him are said
to have done; I refer to their offering sacrifice and wearing crowns
and celebrating triumphs immediately after the death of their sons
when through them the commonwealth had met with good fortune. Of these
I shall make mention in the proper places." - Dionysius of
Halicarnassus 3.21

"The next day has its name, Caristia, from our dear (cari) kin,
When a throng of relations gathers to the family gods.
It's surely pleasant to turn our faces to the living,
Once away from our relatives who have perished,
And after so many lost, to see those of our blood
Who remain, and count the degrees of kinship.
Let the innocent come: let the impious brother be far,
Far from here, and the mother harsh to her children,
He whose father's too long-lived, who weighs his mother's years,
The cruel mother-in-law who crushes the daughter-in-law she hates.
Be absent Tantalides, Atreus, Thyestes: and Medea, Jason's wife:
Ino who gave parched seeds to the farmers:
And Procne, her sister, Philomela, and Tereus cruel to both,
And whoever has gathered wealth by wickedness.
Virtuous ones, burn incense to the gods of the family,
(Gentle Concord is said to be there on this day above all)
And offer food, so the robed Lares may feed from the dish
Granted to them as a mark of esteem, that pleases them.
Then when moist night invites us to calm slumber,
Fill the wine-cup full, for the prayer, and say:
`Health, health to you, worthy Caesar, Father of the Country!'
And let there be pleasant speech at the pouring of wine." - Ovid Fasti II


Today is the celebration of the Caristia, a Roman feast day that falls
between the Feralia and the Terminalia. On this day Roman fathers
would pay special attention to their families. This particular
festival did not have any religious obligations or affiliations, and
was considered by some to be a break in February for Romans from the
multitude of festivals celebrated in this month. As most of the
festivals in Februarius are dedicated to the spirits or manes of the
dead, this festival which centers on celebrating the lives of family
members is indeed a welcome respite.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Ovid

M. Hortensia G. Fabio Buteoni Modianio spd;
it was Publius Memmius Albucius' eagle eye that caught
it, we discussed it, I did some research & Cordus had the answer!
But I appreciate the kind words. When we all work together, so much
can be accomplished.
If the CP established some kind of open working group, like
the Onomalis list did for nomenclature; all the various persons,
with various areas of expertise could help the Religio immensely. 3
of us solved this issue in a couple of days, saving the pontifices a
lot of laborious work.
Modiane, I for one am happy to help you. I'm happy to help
forward the Religio to it's proper form; that's one of the reasons
why I am here.
bene vale in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior
Candidate for Tribune of the Plebs

>
> It appears that Marca Hortensia Maior is correct. There is a

calander

> discrepency and it is a very good thing that she found it out.

All the

> reason why she would make a good tribune. Just because the

Collegium

> Pontificum says one thing doesn't mean they cannot be wrong.
>
> Valete:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On 2/21/07, wuffa2001 <magewuffa@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Salve
> > is not the law in NR that the Calendar is what the Pontifices

says

> > it is ? not what was done in the past ( as much as we would like

to do

> > what was done in the past) so if the Pontifices say that day X

is y

> > thats what it is. and I would not be the one telling the

CP "make sure

> > your research &
> > > characterization of the days is correct"
> > Vale
> > Marcus Cornelius Felix
> > ex-Pontifice
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Q. Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem.

For the coming nundinum, beginning today, the calendar will be thus as
decreed by the Collegium Pontificum:

a.d. VII Kal. Mar., Nefastus Publicus
a.d. VI Kal. Mar., Nefastus
a.d. V Kal. Mar., Comitialis
a.d. IV Kal. Mar., Endotercisus
a.d. III Kal. Mar., Nefastus Publicus
pr. Kal. Mar., Comitialis
Kal. Mar., Nefastus Publicus
a.d. VI Non. Mar., Fastus
a.d. V Non. Mar., Fastus

The feriae publicae stativae to be observed during this period are:

Terminalia (a.d. VII Kal. Mar.)
Regifugium (a.d. VI Kal. Mar.)
Equirria (a.d. III Kal. Mar.)
Feriae Marti (Kal. Mar to a.d. IX Kal. Apr.)

For more information on the character of the days, please reference
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Responsum_Pontificum_de_Diebus_%28Nova_Roma%29
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_Calendar or, as always, you may send a
private message to me.

Optime Valete in Pace Deorum,

QVINTVS·CAECILIVS·L·F·SAB·METELLVS·POSTVMIANVS
PONTIFEX

With these dates in mind. I call upon Mars To guard the Military
people of all nations and their families to keep them safe.

My they find Strength and Honor
serving their people.

Lucius Curtius Paullus
Sodalus Palatinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
<postumianus@...> wrote:

>
> Q. Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem.
>
> For the coming nundinum, beginning today, the calendar will be

thus as

> decreed by the Collegium Pontificum:
>
> a.d. VII Kal. Mar., Nefastus Publicus
> a.d. VI Kal. Mar., Nefastus
> a.d. V Kal. Mar., Comitialis
> a.d. IV Kal. Mar., Endotercisus
> a.d. III Kal. Mar., Nefastus Publicus
> pr. Kal. Mar., Comitialis
> Kal. Mar., Nefastus Publicus
> a.d. VI Non. Mar., Fastus
> a.d. V Non. Mar., Fastus
>
> The feriae publicae stativae to be observed during this period are:
>
> Terminalia (a.d. VII Kal. Mar.)
> Regifugium (a.d. VI Kal. Mar.)
> Equirria (a.d. III Kal. Mar.)
> Feriae Marti (Kal. Mar to a.d. IX Kal. Apr.)
>
> For more information on the character of the days, please reference
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Responsum_Pontificum_de_Diebus_%

28Nova_Roma%29

> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_Calendar or, as always, you may

send a

> private message to me.
>
> Optime Valete in Pace Deorum,
>
> QVINTVS·CAECILIVS·L·F·SAB·METELLVS·POSTVMIANVS
> PONTIFEX
>

Sorry it is
sodalis Palatinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Curtius Paullus"
<lysanderofsparta@...> wrote:

>
> With these dates in mind. I call upon Mars To guard the Military
> people of all nations and their families to keep them safe.
>
> My they find Strength and Honor
> serving their people.
>
> Lucius Curtius Paullus
> Sodalus Palatinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
> <postumianus@> wrote:
> >
> > Q. Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem.
> >
> > For the coming nundinum, beginning today, the calendar will be
> thus as
> > decreed by the Collegium Pontificum:
> >
> > a.d. VII Kal. Mar., Nefastus Publicus
> > a.d. VI Kal. Mar., Nefastus
> > a.d. V Kal. Mar., Comitialis
> > a.d. IV Kal. Mar., Endotercisus
> > a.d. III Kal. Mar., Nefastus Publicus
> > pr. Kal. Mar., Comitialis
> > Kal. Mar., Nefastus Publicus
> > a.d. VI Non. Mar., Fastus
> > a.d. V Non. Mar., Fastus
> >
> > The feriae publicae stativae to be observed during this period

are:

> >
> > Terminalia (a.d. VII Kal. Mar.)
> > Regifugium (a.d. VI Kal. Mar.)
> > Equirria (a.d. III Kal. Mar.)
> > Feriae Marti (Kal. Mar to a.d. IX Kal. Apr.)
> >
> > For more information on the character of the days, please

reference

> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Responsum_Pontificum_de_Diebus_%
> 28Nova_Roma%29
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_Calendar or, as always, you may
> send a
> > private message to me.
> >
> > Optime Valete in Pace Deorum,
> >
> > QVINTVS·CAECILIVS·L·F·SAB·METELLVS·POSTVMIANVS
> > PONTIFEX
> >
>

M IVL PERVSIANVS FR APVLO CAESARI PRAEFECTO ITALIAE OMNISBVSQVE SPD

Aediles Urbis elections for the year 2760 a.u.c.

According to Edictum Propraetoricium Italiae XV DE VRBE ROMAE RATA
HABENDA, the meeting for the
elections of the new Aediles Urbis was held on Feb 17 2007, 11 am in
Rome, Corso Italia 19.
The following 5 Novaroman citizens were present (out of 7, according
to the Album Civium Urbis):

1. Marcus Iulius Perusianus
2. Titus Claudius Collatinus
3. Publius Flavius Caesar
4. Publius Fabricius Barbatus
5. Lucius Fabricius Maro

Justified absents:
Aurelia Iulia Pulchra
Domitius Constantinus Fuscus.

According to point 2 of the edictum, the election of the President of
the Assembly is held and
Marcus Iulius Perusianus was unanimously elected. Once appointed, he
declares the elections of
the Aediles to be held with a secret vote (point 3 Ed.Aed.) and
candidates going to be elected as they reach a simple majority of the
valid votes (point 4 Ed. Aed.). He declares that Marcus Quirinus
Sulla, former Aedilis Urbis for the year MMDCCLIX, and Titus Claudius
Collatinus civis, presented their candidature.
M.Iulius Perusianus appoints Lucius Fabricius Maro as Rogator, give
him the ballot papers for the secret vote.
First the election for civis Titus Claudius Collatinus is held.
After havinf read the ballot papers from the rogator, the president
declares the following votes:

Presents: 5
Quorum: 3
Vti Rogas votes: 4
Abstains: 1

Civis Titus Claudius Collatinus is then appointed by majority as
Aedilis urbis Romae for the year
2760 a.u.c.

With the same modalities the vote for the election of Marcus Quirinus
Sulla.
Presents: 5
Quorum: 3
Vti Rogas votes: 4
Abstains: 1

Civis Marcus Quirinus Sulla is then appointed by majority as Aedilis
urbis Romae for the year 2760 a.u.c.

The assembly salutes the new elected Aediles and expresses its best
wishes for the appointment.

President
Marcus Iulius Perusianus


Rogator

Lucius Fabricius Maro


DABAM ROMAE A.D.VII KAL MARTIIS ANNVM 2760 AVC
(Rome, 22.02.2007).



M IVL PERVSIANVS AED VRBIS FR APVLO CAESARI PRAEFECTO ITALIAE
OMNISBVSQVE SPD

Elezione degli Aediles per l'anno 2760 a.u.c.

In ottemperanza a quanto stabilito dall'Edictum Propraetoricium XV DE
VRBE ROMAE RATA HABENDA, si sono svolti Sabato 17/02/2007, alle ore
11, in Corso Italia 19 a Roma, i Comitia per l'elezioni degli Aediles
Urbis per l'anno 2007.

Erano presenti i seguenti 5 cives Novaromani dei 7 iscritti all'Album
Civium dell'Urbe:

1. Marcus Iulius Perusianus
2. Titus Claudius Collatinus
3. Publius Flavius Caesar
4. Publius Fabricius Barbatus
5. Lucius Fabricius Maro

Assenti giustificati :
Aurelia Iulia Pulchra
Domitius Constantinus Fuscus.

Si procede quindi alla elezione del Presidente dell'assemblea come da
punto 2 dell' Edictum.
Viene eletto alla unanimità Marcus Iulius Perusianus il quale, assunta
la presidenza dell'assemblea, fa presente che la votazione avverrà a
scrutinio segreto (punto 3 ed. aed.) e verranno eletti i candidati che
avranno ottenuto la maggioranza semplice dei voti validi (punto 4 ed.
aed.).
Dichiara quindi che sono proposti alla candidatura della carica di
Aedilis, l'Aedilis uscente Marcus Quirinus Sulla ed il civis Titus
Claudius Collatinus.
Nomina Rogator il civis Lucius Fabricius Maro, al quale consegna le
schede da distribuire per la votazione segreta.
Si procede quindi alla votazione per la candidatura del civis Titus
Claudius Collatinus.
A votazione avvenuta il Presidente, esaminate le schede che gli
vengono consegnate dal Rogator, proclama il seguente esito:

Presenti: 5
Maggioranza richiesta: 3
Voti favorevoli: 4
Astenuti: 1

Il civis Titus Claudius Collatinus viene quindi nominato, a
maggioranza, Aedilis urbis Romae per l'anno 2760 a.u.c.

Con le stesse modalità di cui sopra si procede alla votazione per la
candidatura dell'Aedilis uscente Marcus Quirinus Sulla.
La votazione dà il seguente esito:
Presenti: 5
Maggioranza richiesta: 3
Voti favorevoli: 4
Astenuti: 1.
L'Aedilis uscente Marcus Quirinus Sulla viene quindi confermato a
maggioranza nella carica anche per l'anno 2760 a.u.c.

L'assemblea tributa quindi un plauso agli eletti ai quali formula
auguri di buon lavoro.

Il Presidente
Marcus Iulius Perusianus


Il rogator


Lucius Fabricius Maro


DABAM ROMAE A.D.VII KAL MARTIIS ANNVM 2760 AVC
(Roma, 22/02/2007).


valete
M·IVL·PERVSIANVS
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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VII Kalendas Martias; haec dies nefastus publicus est.

"When night has passed, let the god be celebrated
With customary honour, who separates the fields with his sign.
Terminus, whether a stone or a stump buried in the earth,
You have been a god since ancient times.
You are crowned from either side by two landowners,
Who bring two garlands and two cakes in offering.
An altar's made: here the farmer's wife herself
Brings coals from the warm hearth on a broken pot.
The old man cuts wood and piles the logs with skill,
And works at setting branches in the solid earth.
Then he nurses the first flames with dry bark,
While a boy stands by and holds the wide basket.
When he's thrown grain three times into the fire
The little daughter offers the sliced honeycombs.
Others carry wine: part of each is offered to the flames:
The crowd, dressed in white, watch silently.
Terminus, at the boundary, is sprinkled with lamb's blood,
And doesn't grumble when a sucking pig is granted him.
Neighbours gather sincerely, and hold a feast,
And sing your praises, sacred Terminus:
`You set bounds to peoples, cities, great kingdoms:
Without you every field would be disputed.
You curry no favour: you aren't bribed with gold,
Guarding the land entrusted to you in good faith.
If you'd once marked the bounds of Thyrean lands,
Three hundred men would not have died,
Nor Othryades' name be seen on the pile of weapons.
O how he made his fatherland bleed!
What happened when the new Capitol was built?
The whole throng of gods yielded to Jupiter and made room:
But as the ancients tell, Terminus remained in the shrine
Where he was found, and shares the temple with great Jupiter.
Even now there's a small hole in the temple roof,
So he can see nothing above him but stars.
Since then, Terminus, you've not been free to wander:
Stay there, in the place where you've been put,
And yield not an inch to your neighbour's prayers,
Lest you seem to set men above Jupiter:
And whether they beat you with rakes, or ploughshares,
Call out: "This is your field, and that is his!"'
There's a track that takes people to the Laurentine fields,
The kingdom once sought by Aeneas, the Trojan leader:
The sixth milestone from the City, there, bears witness
To the sacrifice of a sheep's entrails to you, Terminus.
The lands of other races have fixed boundaries:
The extent of the City of Rome and the world is one." - Ovid, Fasti II


"Why is it that they were wont to sacrifice no living creature to
Terminus, in whose honor they held the Terminalia, although they
regard him as a god?

Is it that Romulus placed no boundary-stones for his country, so that
Romans might go forth, seize land, and regard all as theirs, as the
Spartan said, which their spears could reach; whereas Numa Pompilius,
a just man and a statesman, who had become versed in philosophy,
marked out the boundaries between Rome and her neighbours, and, when
on the boundary-stones he had formally installed Terminus as overseer
and guardian of friendship and peace, he thought that Terminus should
be kept pure and undefiled from blood and gore?" - Plutarch, "The
Roman Questions" 15

"It is fitting to relate also the incidents that preceded the building
of it as they have been handed down by all the compilers of Roman
history. When Tarquinius was preparing to build the temple [of
Iuppiter Optimus Maximus] he called the augurs together and ordered
them first to consult the auspices concerning the site itself, in
order to learn what place in the city was the most suitable to be
consecrated and the most acceptable to the gods themselves; and upon
their indicating the hill that commands the Forum, which was then
called the Tarpeian, but now the Capitoline Hill, he ordered them to
consult the auspices once more and declare in what part of the hill
the foundations must be laid. But this was not at all easy; for there
were upon the hill many altars both of the gods and of the lesser
divinities not far apart from one another, which would have to be
moved to some other place and the whole area given up to the sanctuary
that was to be built to the gods. The augurs thought proper to
consult the auspices concerning each one of the altars that were
erected there, and if the gods were willing to withdraw, then to move
them elsewhere. The rest of the gods and lesser divinities, then, gave
them leave to move their altars elsewhere, but Terminus and Juventas,
although the augurs besought them with great earnestness and
importunity, could not be prevailed on and refused to leave their
places. Accordingly, their altars were included within the circuit of
the temples, and one of them now stands in the vestibule of Minerva's
shrine and the other in the shrine itself near the statue of the
goddess. From this circumstance the augurs concluded that no occasion
would ever cause the removal of the boundaries of the Romans' city or
impair its vigour; and both have proved true down to my day, which is
already the twenty-fourth generation." - Dionysius of Halicarnassus,
"Roman Antiquities" III.69

Today is the celebration of the Terminalia, in honor of the god
Terminus, who ruled over boundaries. His statue was merely a stone or
post stuck in the ground to distinguish between properties. On the
festival the two owners of adjacent property crowned the statue with
garlands and raised a rude altar, on which they offered up some corn,º
honeycombs, and wine, and sacrificed a lamb. It is the traditional
end of the Roman year. The rites of the Terminalia included
ceremonial renewal and mutual recognition of the boundary stone, the
marker between properties. A garland would be laid on this marker by
all parties to the land so divided. After kindling a fire,
honey-cakes, fruits and wine would be offered and shared, and songs of
praise to the god called Terminus would be sung. Terminus was
considered to have the appearance of stone and was often honored with
the placement of a large stone at the boundaries, much as farmers do
today in various countries. With this feast, the year as a whole comes
to an end, as the Roman new year began traditionally on March 1st.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Plutarch, Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Wikipedia

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem VI Kalendas Martias; haec dies nefastus est.

"Now I have to tell of the Flight of the King:
The sixth day from the end of the month has that name.
Tarquin the Proud held the last kingship of the Roman people,
A man of injustice, but powerful in might.
He had taken cities, and overthrown others,
And made Gabii his, by base trickery.
For the youngest of his three sons, Sextus, clearly a child
Of Tarquin, entered the midst of his enemies in the still of night.
They drew their swords: he said: `Don't kill the unarmed!
That's what my brother, and father, Tarquin, desire,
He who lacerated my back with a cruel scourge.'
So he could make his plea, he had suffered a beating...

It was night, and the whole house was without light:
He rose, and drew his sword from his gilded scabbard,
And, chaste wife, he entered your bedroom.
As he touched the bed, the king's son said:
`Lucretia I have a blade, and I, a Tarquin, speak!'
She said nothing: she'd no voice or powers of speech
Nor any capability for thought in her whole mind.
But she trembled like a little lamb, caught straying
From the fold, brought low by a wolf's attack.
What could she do? Fight? In battle a woman loses.
Cry out? But the sword in his right hand restrained her...

What she could, she told. The end she suppressed:
She wept, and a blush spread over a wife's cheeks.
Her husband and her father forgave her being forced:
She said: `I deny myself the forgiveness that you grant.'
Then she stabbed herself with a blade she had hidden,
And, all bloodied, fell at her father's feet.
Even then she took care in dying so that she fell
With decency, that was her care even in falling...

Brutus, with a shout,
Gathered the Quirites, and told of the king's evil act.
Tarquin the Proud and his children fled, a consul took up the rule
For the year: That day was the last day of kingship.
Am I wrong, or has the swallow come, herald of the Spring:
Does she not fear lest winter should turn back, return again?
Often, Procne, you'll complain that you've been too swift,
And your husband, Tereus, rejoice in the cold you feel.." - Ovid, Fasti II

"'Courageous Roman, do not steep thy heart In such relenting dew of
lamentations; But kneel with me and help to bear thy part, To rouse
our Roman gods with invocations, That they will suffer these
abominations, Since Rome herself in them doth stand disgraced, By our
strong arms from forth her fair streets chased.

'Now, by the Capitol that we adore,
And by this chaste blood so unjustly stain'd,
By heaven's fair sun that breeds the fat earth's store,
By all our country rights in Rome maintain'd,
And by chaste Lucrece' soul that late complain'd
Her wrongs to us, and by this bloody knife,
We will revenge the death of this true wife.'

This said, he struck his hand upon his breast,
And kiss'd the fatal knife, to end his vow;
And to his protestation urged the rest,
Who, wondering at him, did his words allow:
Then jointly to the ground their knees they bow;
And that deep vow, which Brutus made before,
He doth again repeat, and that they swore.

When they had sworn to this advised doom,
They did conclude to bear dead Lucrece thence;
To show her bleeding body thorough Rome,
And so to publish Tarquin's foul offence:
Which being done with speedy diligence,
The Romans plausibly did give consent
To Tarquin's everlasting banishment." - Wm. Shakespeare, "The Rape of
Lucrece"

Today we celebrate the Regifugium, the king's flight, a festival which
was celebrated by the Romans every year on the 24th of February, and
according to Varro and Ovid held in commemoration of the flight of
king Tarquinius Superbus from Rome --- a story of anger, rape,
suicide, and revenge. Some ancient sources (Cincius and Plutarch, in
paticular) are of opinion that these two days derived their name from
the symbolical flight of the Rex Sacrorum from the comitium; for this
king-priest was generally not allowed to appear in the comitium, which
was destined for the transaction of political matters in which he
could not take part. But on certain days in the year, and certainly on
the two days mentioned above, he had to go to the comitium for the
purpose of offering certain sacrifices, and immediately after he had
performed his functions there, he hastily fled from it; and this
symbolical flight is said to have been called Regifugium.

Valete bene!

Cato




SOURCES

Ovid, Shakespeare, Wikipedia

I need to contact Senator Serapio. E-mail to his yahoo.it account is
bouncing. If anyone is in contact with him, plase ask him to write to me.

Valete,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Salvete,

As a prospective citizen, I'd like to take some time now and introduce
myself. My birth name is Paul Janes, and I applied for citizenship in
Nova Roma yesterday with the hopes of retaining the Roman name of
Gaius Flavius Lupus. I'm eighteen years old and a Freshman History
major at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, Colorado, US.
I've always been interested in Rome, but I'd say that interest really
picked up when I started my Western Civilization class. In fact, it
was my Western Civ professor who recommended Nova Roma to us. Anyway,
it's great to meet you all, and I hope that I will come to be accepted
into this fantastic community you have set up for yourselves and the
rest of us who are obsessed with Rome.

Valete

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---Ave Gai Flavi:

Welcome to the republic.



There is a group formed for the purpose of welcoming newcomers and to
answer any questions they may have. You might want to check it out

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewRoman

Be well,
Pompeia Minucia Strabo
Consular



In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Janes" <pauljanes8@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete,
>
> As a prospective citizen, I'd like to take some time now and

introduce

> myself. My birth name is Paul Janes, and I applied for citizenship

in

> Nova Roma yesterday with the hopes of retaining the Roman name of
> Gaius Flavius Lupus. I'm eighteen years old and a Freshman History
> major at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, Colorado, US.
> I've always been interested in Rome, but I'd say that interest

really

> picked up when I started my Western Civilization class. In fact,

it

> was my Western Civ professor who recommended Nova Roma to us.

Anyway,

> it's great to meet you all, and I hope that I will come to be

accepted

> into this fantastic community you have set up for yourselves and

the

> rest of us who are obsessed with Rome.
>
> Valete
>

-M.Hortensia G. Flavio spd;
salve & welcome! My 4th year as a civis of Nova Roma is
coming up & I can tell you it's been wonderful. And I haven't even
gone to our Conventus in Spain yet.
Nova Roma has so much to offer, feel free to read all our
arguing on the Main List (so Roman) or check our out NRWiki for
great reading lists, our sodalities for special interests: religio,
cooking, Latin, military, the wikites etc... Contact your provincial
governor , volunteer as a scribe & make friends all over the world.
Mine really span 3 continents.
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior
produer "Vox Romana" podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/

>
> ---Ave Gai Flavi:
>
> Welcome to the republic.
>
>
>
> There is a group formed for the purpose of welcoming newcomers and

to

> answer any questions they may have. You might want to check it out
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewRoman
>
> Be well,
> Pompeia Minucia Strabo
> Consular
>
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Janes" <pauljanes8@> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > As a prospective citizen, I'd like to take some time now and
> introduce
> > myself. My birth name is Paul Janes, and I applied for

citizenship

> in
> > Nova Roma yesterday with the hopes of retaining the Roman name

of

> > Gaius Flavius Lupus. I'm eighteen years old and a Freshman

History

> > major at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, Colorado,

US.

> > I've always been interested in Rome, but I'd say that interest
> really
> > picked up when I started my Western Civilization class. In

fact,

> it
> > was my Western Civ professor who recommended Nova Roma to us.
> Anyway,
> > it's great to meet you all, and I hope that I will come to be
> accepted
> > into this fantastic community you have set up for yourselves and
> the
> > rest of us who are obsessed with Rome.
> >
> > Valete
> >
>

EDICTVM PRAETORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBAE

Ex hoc, M. Arminium Maiorem praetorium scribam creo, ut auxilio in
Tabulario nostro restaurando sit.

I hereby appoint former praetor M. Arminius Maior as scriba in order
that he may assist with the restoration of our Tabularium.

Datum sub manu mea a.d. VI Kal. Mar. A.V.C. MMDCCLX L. Arminio Fausto
Ti. Galerio Paulino coss.

Given under my hand this 25th day of February 2007 C.E., in the
consulship of L. Arminius Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus

A. Tullia Scholastica,
Praetrix


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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem V Kalendas Martias; haec dies comitialis est.

"Come Mars, God of War, lay aside your shield and spear:
A moment, from your helmet, free your shining hair.
What has a poet to do with Mars, you might ask?...
Nor did the ancients have as many Kalends as us:
Their year was shorter than ours by two months.
Greece, defeated had not yet transmitted her arts
To the conquerors, her people eloquent but not brave.
He knew the arts of Rome, then, who fought well:
He was fluent, who could hurl the javelin, then.
Who knew the Hyades or Pleiades, the daughters
Of Atlas, or that there were two poles in the sky:
Knew that there are two Bears, the Sidonians steering
By Cynosura, the Greek sailor noting Helice:
That the signs Apollo, the Sun, travels in a whole year,
His sister Diana's Moon-horses cross in a month?
The stars then ran their course, freely, unobserved
Each year: yet everyone held them to be gods.
They couldn't touch the heaven's gliding Standards,
Only their own, and it was a great crime to lose them.
Theirs were of straw: But the straw won a reverence
As great as you see the eagles share today.
A long pole carried the hanging bundles (maniplos),
From which the private soldier takes his name (maniplaris)." - Ovid,
Fasti III

February was named after the Latin term februum, which means
purification, via the purification ritual Februa held on February 15
in the old Roman calendar. January and February were the last two
months to be added to the Roman calendar, since the Romans originally
considered winter a monthless period. They were added by Numa
Pompilius about 700 BC. February remained the last month of the
calendar year until the time of the decemvirs (c. 450 BC), when it
became the second month. At certain intervals Roman priests inserted
an intercalary month, Intercalaris, into the middle of February to
realign the year with the seasons. Thereafter, it remained the second
month of the calendar year, meaning the order that months are
displayed (January, February, March, Â…, December) within a
year-at-a-glance calendar. Even during the Middle Ages, when the
numbered Anno Domini year began on March 25 or December 25, February
continued to be the second month whenever all twelve months were
displayed in order.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Wikipedia

Esteemed Sirs;

I have a friend who is an Army officer currently serving in Iraq. He is looking for some-one with whom to correspond about registering for a Classics degree after his military service is completed.

Anyone having these credentials and who might be interested in advising this young man please contact me off-line at:

MarcusAudens@...

This gentleman of whom I speak, I have met and spoken with at length. He is a good friend, and has my personal highest and most emphatic regards and recommendation in whatever further venture he seeks, after his military responsibilities are complete.

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Audens



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Salvete omnes,

CALLING ALL BLUES

Please go to the Factio Veneta Stables at:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta/

and announce your candidacy for Dominus Factionis of the Blues for the
coming year.

Vale optime,
Triarius

Salvete omnes,

Unlike past years, the curule aediles will not be appointing the leaders of the factiones--the chariot racing teams in Nova Roma. Each team will be self-governing and select its own leader. New NR Wiki pages have been created for the factios, and all teams now have active mailing lists that new members (or old) may subscribe to.

I encourage everyone interested in the circenses to join a factio and subscribe to its mailing list. The mailing lists are as follows:

Whites/Albata: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/factio_albata/
Greens/Praesina: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/
Reds/Russata: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/factio_russata/
Blues/Veneta: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta/

Valete bene,
T. Artoria Marcella


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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem IV Kalendas Martias; haec dies endotercisus est.

"After the combat between the triplets, the Romans who were then in
the camp buried the slain brothers in a splendid manner in the places
where they had fallen, and having offered to the gods the customary
sacrifices for victory, were passing their time in rejoicings. On the
other side, the Albans were grieving over what had happened and
blaming their leader for bad generalship; and the greatest part of
them spent that night without food and without any other care for
their bodies. The next day the king of the Romans called them to an
assembly and consoled them with many assurances that he would lay no
command upon them that was either dishonourable, grievous or
unbecoming to kinsmen, but that with impartial judgment he would take
thought for what was best and most advantageous for both cities; and
having continued Fufetius, their ruler, in the same office and made no
other change in the government, he led his army home.

After he had celebrated the triumph which the senate had decreed for
him and had entered upon the administration of civil affairs, some
citizens of importance came to him bringing Horatius for trial, on the
ground that because of his slaying of his sister he was not free of
the guilt of shedding a kinsman's blood; and being given a hearing,
they argued at length, citing the laws which forbade the slaying of
anyone without a trial, and recounting instances of the anger of all
the gods against the cities which neglected to punish those who were
polluted. But the father spoke in defence of the youth and blamed his
daughter, declaring that the act was a punishment, not a murder, and
claiming that he himself was the proper judge of the calamities of his
own family, since he was the father of both. And a great deal having
been said on both sides, the king was in great perplexity what
decision to pronounce in the cause. For he did not think it seemly
either to acquit any person of murder who confessed he had put his
sister to death before a trial — and that, too, for an act which the
laws did not concede to be a capital offence — lest by so doing he
should transfer the curse and pollution from the criminal to his own
household, or to punish as a murderer any person who had chosen to
risk his life for his country and had brought her so great power,
especially as he was acquitted of blame by his father, to whom before
all others both nature and the law gave the right of taking vengeance
in the case of his daughter. Not knowing, therefore, how to deal with
the situation, he at last decided it was best to leave the decision to
the people. And the Roman people, becoming upon this occasion judges
for the first time in a cause of a capital nature, sided with the
opinion of the father and acquitted Horatius of the murder.

Nevertheless, the king did not believe that the judgment thus passed
upon Horatius by men was a sufficient atonement to satisfy those who
desired to observe due reverence toward the gods; but sending for the
pontiffs, he ordered them to appease the gods and other divinities and
to purify Horatius with those lustrations with which it was customary
for involuntary homicides to be expiated. The pontiffs erected two
altars, one to Juno, to whom the care of sisters is allotted, and the
other to a certain god or lesser divinity of the country called in
their language Janus, to whom was now added the name Curiatius,
derived from that of the cousins who had been slain by Horatius; and
after they had offered certain sacrifices upon these altars, they
finally, among other expiations, led Horatius under the yoke. It is
customary among the Romans, when enemies deliver up their arms and
submit to their power, to fix two pieces of wood upright in the ground
and fasten a third to the top of them transversely, then to lead the
captives under this structure, and after they have passed through, to
grant them their liberty and leave to return home. This they call a
yoke; and it was the last of the customary expiatory ceremonies used
upon this occasion by those who purified Horatius. The place in the
city where they performed this expiation is regarded by all the Romans
as sacred; it is in the street that leads down from the Carinae as one
goes towards Cuprius Street. Here the altars then erected still
remain, and over them extends a beam which is fixed in each of the
opposite walls; the beam lies over the heads of those who go out of
this street and is called in the Roman tongue "the Sister's Beam."
This place, then, is still preserved in the city as a monument to this
man's misfortune and honoured by the Romans with sacrifices every
year. Another memorial of the bravery he displayed in the combat is
the small corner pillar standing at the entrance to one of the two
porticos in the Forum, upon which were placed the spoils of the three
Alban brothers. The arms, it is true, have disappeared because of the
lapse of time, but the pillar still preserves its name and is called
pila Horatia or "the Horatian Pillar." The Romans also have a law,
enacted in consequence of this episode and observed even to this day,
which confers immortal honour and glory upon these men; it provides
that the parents of triplets shall receive from the public treasury
the cost of rearing them until they are green. With this, the
incidents relating to the family of the Horatii, which showed some
remarkable and unexpected reversals of fortune, came to an end." -
Dionysius of Halicarnassus 3.22

"Their decision was mainly influenced by Publius Horatius, the father,
who declared that his daughter had been justly slain; had it not been
so, he would have exerted his authority as a father in punishing his
son. Then he implored them not to bereave of all his children the man
whom they had so lately seen surrounded with such noble offspring.
Whilst saying this he embraced his son, and then, pointing to the
spoils of the Curiatii suspended on the spot now called the Pila
Horatia, he said: "Can you bear, Quirites, to see bound, scourged, and
tortured beneath the gallows the man whom you saw, lately, coming in
triumph adorned with his foemen's spoils? Why, the Albans themselves
could not bear the sight of such a hideous spectacle. Go, lictor, bind
those hands which when armed but a little time ago won dominion for
the Roman people. Go, cover the head of the liberator of this City!
Hang him on the fatal tree, scourge him within the pomoerium, if only
it be amongst the trophies of his foes, or without, if only it be
amongst the tombs of the Curiatii! To what place can you take this
youth where the monuments of his splendid exploits will not vindicate
him from such a shameful punishment?" The father's tears and the young
soldier's courage ready to meet every peril were too much for the
people. They acquitted him because they admired his bravery rather
than because they regarded his cause as a just one. But since a murder
in broad daylight demanded some expiation, the father was commanded to
make an atonement for his son at the cost of the State. After offering
certain expiatory sacrifices he erected a beam across the street and
made the young man pass under it, as under a yoke, with his head
covered. This beam exists to-day, having always been kept in repair by
the State: it is called "The Sister's Beam." A tomb of hewn stone was
constructed for Horatia on the spot where she was murdered." - Livy,
History of Rome 1.26

The story of the Horatii is probably the basis for the Roman law which
allowed anyone convicted of a capital crime to appeal to the People.


"Lewis the French king, sent unto King Henrie, for a present, an
Elephant, a beast most strange and wonderful to the English people,
sith most seldome or neuer any of that kind had beene scene in England
before that time." - Raphael Holinshed, English chronicler, 26
February A.D. 1256

On this day, Louis IX of France sent Henry III of England the first
elephant seen in the British Isles since the invasion by the emperor
Claudius in A.D. 43. The Tower of London was being used as a kind of
primitive zoo; it evolved into the Tower Menagerie, which existed up
until the mid-nineteenth century. It was at this same menagerie that
William Blake saw the "tyger" that was to inspire his famous poem.


Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Livy

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Dominus Factionis Russatae, Quiritibus sal.:


If you are a member of the Russata, please join our new mailinglist!

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/factio_russata/


Then we will elect our new leader.


Cúráte, utí valeátis!

CN LENTVLVS
DOMINVS FACTIONIS RUSSATAE


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Salvete quirites!

Tita Artoria Marcella <icehunter@...> writes:

[...]

> I encourage everyone interested in the circenses to join a factio and
> subscribe to its mailing list. The mailing lists are as follows:
>
> Whites/Albata: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/factio_albata/

Right now factio Albata is seeking new members! If you're interested in
racing with the whites, come on over!

Valete,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Salvete omnes

I have to admit, in my short time here I've been confused by this whole racing-faction
business. I don't want to get into some sort of Plinian rant about pedestrian games, and
meaningless loyalties, and I'm not looking to offend anyone, but I'm struck by the fact that
there is this one very role-playing-like element in a community that is so very concerned
about not descending into role-playing. What is this about?

Valete,

Bassus

Salve Basse,

Lucius Iunius Bassus <iunius_verbosus@...> writes:

> [...] I'm struck by the fact that
> there is this one very role-playing-like element in a community that is so
> very concerned about not descending into role-playing. What is this about?

Fun, basically. In the Ludi we have various virtual games. The Ludi
Circensis involve virtual chariot racing. We also have other games, like
munera.

I suppose we could completely eschew anything that might even remotely be
interpreted as role playing, but then we'd have to stop using Roman names and
avoid anything at all that seemed the least bit out of the norm.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Salve Marine,

Scripsisti, "'[...] I'm struck by the fact that there is this one very role-playing-like element
in a community that is so very concerned about not descending into role-playing. What is
this about?'

"Fun, basically. In the Ludi we have various virtual games. The Ludi Circensis involve
virtual chariot racing. We also have other games, like munera."

More than fair enough. It's a shame we can't have real-life chariot races. So on what basis
do people join factions then?

Vale,

Bassus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Basse,
>
> Lucius Iunius Bassus <iunius_verbosus@...> writes:
>
> > [...] I'm struck by the fact that
> > there is this one very role-playing-like element in a community that is so
> > very concerned about not descending into role-playing. What is this about?
>
> Fun, basically. In the Ludi we have various virtual games. The Ludi
> Circensis involve virtual chariot racing. We also have other games, like
> munera.
>
> I suppose we could completely eschew anything that might even remotely be
> interpreted as role playing, but then we'd have to stop using Roman names and
> avoid anything at all that seemed the least bit out of the norm.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN•EQVIT•MARINVS
>

Lucius Iunius Bassus <iunius_verbosus@...> writes:

[...]

> So on what basis do people join factions then?

Some join whichever faction their friends are in, some join a faction because
it wins in the Ludi, some just because they like a particular color.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Bassus Marino Censori sal.

How is the winner determined? Do the curule aediles decide arbitrarily or is there a role of
the dice, or something like that?

Vale.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Lucius Iunius Bassus <iunius_verbosus@...> writes:
>
> [...]
> > So on what basis do people join factions then?
>
> Some join whichever faction their friends are in, some join a faction because
> it wins in the Ludi, some just because they like a particular color.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN•EQVIT•MARINVS
>

Ansa reports: "The only Roman emperor's insignia ever found went on
show for the first time in the Italian capital on Saturday".

Full story:
http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2007-02-24_12442678.html


Optime valete!

Agricola

Salvete!

Anyone interested in exploring the creation of Sodalitas Vestitorum et
Sutorum (Association of tailors and cobblers) is urged to join the
mailing list at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalitas_Vestitorum_et_Sutorum/

Optime valete

M. Lucretius Agricola

Salve Basse,

Lucius Iunius Bassus <iunius_verbosus@...> writes:

> Bassus Marino Censori sal.
>
> How is the winner determined? Do the curule aediles decide arbitrarily or
> is there a role of the dice, or something like that?

There's a computer program that was written back when K. Fabius Buteo
Quintilianus was Curule Aedile and has been used by every pair of Curule
Aediles since. It takes input and gives results based on the strategies
chosen by the various competitors.


Vale,


CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem III Kalendas Martias; haec dies nefastus publicus est.

"Ecurria ab equorum cursu: eo die enim ludis currunt in Martio Campo."
- Varro, de Lingua Latina VI

"Mars Pater, te precor uti fortitudine et peritia horum equitum
Equirriae Senatus Populusque Norvorum Romanorum Quiritum iniciantur et
sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum
Quiritum. Mars Pater, qui currui temporis equos citos suos iungit ut
mensem Martii adduucat, tibi fieri oportet culignam vini dapi, eius
rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Father Mars, I pray you that the Senate and People of the Nova
Romans, the Quirites, may be inspired by the courage and skill of
these horsemen of the Equirria and that you may be propitious to the
Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites. Father Mars, who
hitches his swift horses to the chariot of time to bring on the month
of March, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given, for the
sake of this thing therefore may you be honoured by this feast
offering.) - L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur (NR)

"Today the circus holds all of Rome." - Juvenal 11.197

"Now two nights of the second month remain,
And Mars urges on his chariot's swift horses.
The day has retained the name Equirria,
From the horse races the god views on his Fields.
Rightly you're here, Gradivus, Marching God: your season
Demands its place, the month marked by your name is near." - Ovid Fasti II

Today is the celebration of the first Equirria. The Equirria were holy
days with religious and military significance at either end of the new
year celebrations for Mars. The Roman state placed great emphasis on
celebrating the god of war - to support the army, and to boost public
morale. The aspect of Mars which was celebrated was as the god full of
the power of war; as opposed to Mars Quirinus, the god as protector of
the People, this is Mars Gravidus, "heavy" or "full". Priests
performed rites purifying of the army. Celebrants held horse races on
the Campius Martius (field of Mars), and drove a scapegoat out of the
city of Rome, expelling the old and bringing in the new. Romans
walked around the city boundaries in solemn procession and then gave
sacrifice, followed by a public feast. If the Campus Martius was
overflowed by the Tiber, the races took place on a part of the Mons
Coelius.

Valete bene!

Cato




SOURCES

Ovid, Varro, Juvenal, Wikipedia

C. Aurelia Falco Silvana omnibus civibus Novae Romae SPD.

A 1981 Bulgarian movie is available on YouTube. While its
time period is 681 (late late in the Empire), the battle
scenes (and the entire movie) have one important connection
to the Roman way--all the action is by real people, real
horses. Some of the scenes rival the masses armies in
any modern, computer-created films.

Here are all the YouTube links you need, with a short
statement by the poster there. Khan Asparuh is regarded
as the founder of the nation of Bulgaria.

It would be interesting to have some feedback from
Provincia Dacia and others in that region.

Valete bene in pace Deorum
C. Aurelia Falco Silvana

681-The Glory of the khan(trailer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQQvV-aw52M

Khan Asparuh - (01) - Crossing the Danube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRqVgGvW6Vc

Khan Asparuh - (02) - Building the fort
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-WV4Pw3dM

Khan Asparuh - (03) - The Imperial March
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azbKptzwI0c&mode=related&search=

Khan Asparuh - (04) - Speeches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1THmOLTwi1c&mode=related&search=

Khan Asparuh - (05) - Nemesis of the Roman Empire, Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXRiVNqlAk

Khan Asparuh - (06) - Nemesis of the Roman Empire, Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osltBfVNfxg

Khan Asparuh - (07) - Nemesis of the Roman Empire, Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGMtuHFNV6E

Khan Asparuh - (08) - Dirty Fighting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKIvLeI-xkg&mode=related&search=

Khan Asparuh - (09) - Last Battle - NikeBG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg2Wp_VrcLg&mode=related&search=

Khan Asparuh - (10) - The End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6lXAgT2PFo&mode=related&search=

> A cut-scene from the Bulgarian movie "Khan Asparuh"
> (aka "681 - Glory of the khan"), the full Bulgarian version.
> The movie was made for the 1981 jubilee "1300 years since
> the creation of Bulgaria". It has absolutely no computer
> effects, all the actors are real (around 50 000 extras,
> to be concrete)!

[Read more comments on the YT page for each clip.]

CAFS: The film itself is in Bulgarian, without subtitles.
However, the poster has provided written translations
into English in the intros to the clips. In the upper right
box on the screen, look 3 lines below the "Subscribe" button
for a "more" link. The translations are blocked out by time
(minutes and seconds into each clip.) I suspect alot of work
went into making it possible for the world to see this movie.

Sample, from Episode 6:
"Subtitles":
"00:21 -- 00:23
Asparuh: Give a sign to our men beyond! Let them come!

00:42 -- 00:45
Roman soldier: The barbarians! The barbarians!

01:25 -- 01:48
Messenger: They hit us in the rear, noble one!
Emperor: I expected that. May Anastasius repulse them
with a part of our cavalry!
Heracleios: Orders of the Emperor: Anastasius should
meet the barbarians beyond the camp!
Emperor: This means that there aren't many forces left
in the fort. Now is the time! We must get in!



Epizod, a Bulgarian rock band, also has a video called
- Asparuh - on YouTube--modern homage to a national hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSq0WxlmMUA

Salve,
So how are the games played? When I first joined Nova
Roma before becoming a Citizen, there was a game which
I joined, a race. There were questions that the
competitors had to answer and that is how the race was
won. Is this done the same way?

Vale,

Gaia Iulia Cicurina



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Salve Gaia Iulia,

Gaia Iulia Cicurina writes:

> So how are the games played?

It depends on the game, but the general form is that the Aedile running the
games will post instructions, and you then respond to the posting. For
example, if you're entering the Ludi Circensis (the chariot races) you have
to provide:

Your name
Name of your driver
Name of your chariot
Racing strategy (from a list of six choices)
And a few other things.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus C. Iuliae Cicurinae salutem:

>>> When I first joined Nova

Roma before becoming a Citizen, there was a game which
I joined, a race. There were questions that the
competitors had to answer and that is how the race was
won. Is this done the same way? <<<<


Yes, Cicurina, but not only the way is that is the same: the games you mentioned are the same. These are the virtual charriot races.


CN LENTVLVS
DOM FACT RUSS




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Ex Domo Flamen Martialis Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus salutem dicit

Salvete


CAERIMONIA EQUIRRIAE (secunda)

I bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga praetexta, cinctu Gabino,
capite velato, I began the praefatio.

Praefatio

"Iane Pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae"
[Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma"].
I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti
sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae"
[Iuppiter Best and Greatest, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers,
so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People
of Nova Roma"].
I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae"
[Goddess Iuno, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma"].
I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Minerva Dea, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae"
[Goddess Minerva, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma."
I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Quirine Pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae"
[Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]"
I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iane Pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto"
[Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto"
[Iuppiter Best and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto"
[Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto"
[Goddess Minerva, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Quirine Pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto"
[Father Mars, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Mars Pater, te precor uti fortitudine et peritia horum equitum
Equirriae Senatus Populusque Norvorum Romanorum Quiritum iniciantur et
sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum
Quiritum. Mars Pater, qui currui temporis equos citos suos iungit ut
mensem Martii adduucat, tibi fieri oportet culignam vini dapi, eius rei
ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto"
[Father Mars, I pray you that the Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites, may be inspired by the courage and skill of these horsemen of the Equirria and that you may be propitious to the Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the
Quirites. Father Mars, who hitches his swift horses to the chariot of time to bring on the month of March, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given, for the sake of this thing therefore may you be honored by this feast offering]."
I poured a libation on the altar and added laurel for Mars.

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Mars Pater, qui in campo suo certamen Equirriae semper prospicit, macte
istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto"
[Father Mars, who always observes from afar the race of the Equirria on his own field, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be honoured by the
humble wine.]"
I offered Mars Pater laurel, cakes and wine on the altar.

"Quirine Pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto"
[Father Mars, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto "
[Goddess Minerva, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto"
[Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto"
[Iuppiter Best and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Iane Pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto"
[Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto"
[Goddess Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Illicet" [It is permitted to go.]"

I profaned wine and cakes, and I partook of the epulum with Mars Pater,
praying as I ate and offering libations in my private devotions.

Piaculum

Since the historical caerimonia of the feria of the Equirria has not yet
been recovered (in fact we know virtually nothing about it; a few
formulae here have been adapted from Ovid's _Fasti_) , I offered a
piaculum to Mars Pater if anything in this caerimonia should offend him:

"Mars Pater, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc ture
veniam peto et vitium meum expio"
[Father Mars, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this incense I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]"
I offered incense on the altar.

"Mars Pater, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio"
[Father Mars, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.


Valete

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Ex Domo Flamen Martialis Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus salutem dicit

Salvete,

Historical background for the 'CAERIMONIA EQUIRRIAE'.


The day of the Equirria begins shortly after dawn with a sacrifice* at
the Ara Martis in the Campus Martius, not far from the Porta
Fontinalis in the Servian wall, west of the Via Latia, the altar where
Romulus and Numa sacrificed. The pontifices are there and the Flamen
Martialis. Silence is pronounced and the sacred flute plays to
prevent an inauspicious sound from disturbing the caaerimonia. The
Capitoline Triad is invoked with Quirinus by offerings of incense and
libations of unmixed wine, prayers to Mars Himself addressed by the
Flamen Quirinalis on half of the Senate and People of Rome, the
Quirites. The victim, an ox, garlanded white white and scarlet woolen
ribbons, his back covered with an elaborately embroidered and fringed
dorsuale, is brought forward. The dorsuale is removed by attendants,
then the Flamen Martialis pours a few drops of wine upon the ox's
head, sprinkles the victim's back with mola salsa, and draws the
bronze sacrificial blade down the ox's back. The Flamen Martialis
commands the victimarius to strike, bringing the bronze poleaxe down
upon the victim's head. Stunned, the ox goes to his knees, and another
victimarius neatly cuts the victim's throat. Within moments the
victim is dead. This victim is placed on his back, the belly opened
quickly, and the haruspex inspects the internal organs (exta): the
liver, the lungs, the biliary blister, peritoneum and heart. Each is
normal, and the haruspex and Flamen Martialis pronounce the sacrifice
to be litatio -- accepted by Mars Pater. These exta are reserved and
skewered to be grilled before offering to Mars. The victimarii render
the remainder of the ox in preparation for the epulum.

When the skewered exta are grilled, the Flamen Martialis sprinkles
them with mola salsa and salt before placing them upon the burning
focus of the altar, the offers a libation of unmixed wine, "Mars
Pater, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto
[Father Mars, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be
honoured by the humble wine]." He pours then a libation to each of
the invoked Gods and Goddeses in turn, and to Vesta, custodian of the
sacred fire. He profanes the remainder of the meat which is taken to
be roasted for the epulum feast.

The participants in the sacrifice partake of the epulum, eating the
meat and bread, drinking wine, praying and offering libations to Mars
Pater, joining in a common meal with the Gods to celebrate the feria.

It is likely that a second sacrifice, or perhaps a series of
libations, was offered somewhat later in the morning at the Aedes
Martis in Circo Flaminio, the temple of Mars adjoining the Circus
Flaminius near the Theatre of Pompey. This temple was designed for D.
Iunius Brutus Callaicus by Hermodorus of Salamis and dedicated in 138
BCE. According to Pliny, it contained Scopas' colossal statues of
Mars and Venus, and Valerius Maximus informs us it was decorated with
poetry by Accius. The ceremony here is believed to have served as a
preparation for the races of the day.

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* - The precise formulae of the caerimoniae of the sacrifices of the
Feria Equirriae are unknown, but it is likely that they followed the
general form of most propritiatory sacrifices of the ritus Romanus, as
suggested here. Since Nova Roma is not in the position to offer
animal sacrifices at this time, the Flamen Martialis will offer a
non-animal sacrifice for the feria.

Valete

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This could be real fun ...I have some ideas (all above board, of *course* (enigmatic smile), and while I am sorely tempted by the picture of a short, full figured Roman matron standing proudly in her chariot, (and hoping that the horses know in which direction to run), I'll get me a really good, strong, young and *handsome* charioteer, come up with some excellent inducements for him to win for me ...and try my luck!

C. Maria Caeca

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In a message dated 2/27/2007 4:53:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
silvanatextrix@... writes:
A 1981 Bulgarian movie is available on YouTube. While its
time period is 681 (late late in the Empire), the battle
scenes (and the entire movie) have one important connection
to the Roman way--all the action is by real people, real
horses. Some of the scenes rival the masses armies in
any modern, computer-created films.
It is after the period of Heraclius (641) so that makes it Byzantine Empire.
The dates of the Eastern Roman Empire are (306-641)
Constantine IV was the Emperor of the period, and he was never defeated by
the Bulgars.
While during the campaign he became sick with gout, and withdrew home. The
Magister of foot was a poor general, and the Imperial army demoralized by
charismatic Constantine's withdrawal.

I thought this was shot in 1980. There are numerous inaccuracies in the
Byzantines, especially the infantry. They carried oval shields, (these look like
shields from the Rus,)
and the vexilums would be separated by ten ranks, not the 30 or shown in the
clip.

The 300 men cavalry bandas (vandas) were identified by a distinctive color on
the cloaks, lance pennants and helmet tuft, these look more like units of
Bulgar horse.

Shame they didn't do more research. Still an impressive scene.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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M. Hortensia Plebis spd;
it's a day Comitialis! So I am asking all plebeians to go to the
cista and vote for me for tribune. There is one more day left for
voting.
I will protect your rights, follow the example of Romanitas of the
republic, and help everyone here to learn more about Roman law. Cordus
has a great reading list at the NRwiki
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_Roman_law & I've added
some books too, about the religio and augural law.
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_the_cultus_deorum#Religion_
and_Law
bene valete in pacem deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior
Candidate for tribune of the plebs
& also continue to spread knowledge with the podcast. It's coming:)
Producer "Vox Romana" podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

The Provincia America Austrorientalis is offering Nova Roma the chance to vote for two candidates for the office of Tribunis Plebis--Fl. Galerius Aurelianus and Marca Hortensia Maior. Each of us has something to offer Nova Roma while offering the citizens a choice of style and action. One temperate & rational; one fiery in speech & mood. One moderate, one strongly conservative. One willing to negotiate for peaceful settlement; one convinced of their own opinion. One that embraces both Romanitas and our current situation; one deeply concerned with things traditionally Roman. Both with experience in administration. Both committed to protecting the rights of the citizens. It is up to the citizens of Nova Roma to decide who would best serve as Tribune.

Please go to the Cista and Vote.

Valete.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
Propraetor America Austrorientalis
Flamen Cerialis
Candidate for Tribune of the Plebs


-----Original Message-----
From: rory12001@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Vote for Maior for Tribune of the Plebs!


M. Hortensia Plebis spd;
it's a day Comitialis! So I am asking all plebeians to go to the
cista and vote for me for tribune. There is one more day left for
voting.
I will protect your rights, follow the example of Romanitas of the
republic, and help everyone here to learn more about Roman law. Cordus
has a great reading list at the NRwiki
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_Roman_law & I've added
some books too, about the religio and augural law.
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_the_cultus_deorum#Religion_
and_Law
bene valete in pacem deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior
Candidate for tribune of the plebs
& also continue to spread knowledge with the podcast. It's coming:)
Producer "Vox Romana" podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/



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