M. Hortensia Fl. Galerio spd;
kindly use the subject line. Of course, Scholastica can call
me all sorts of names & much worse, it certainly is in line with
Clodius Pulcher & others during the Republic.
Now in NR the praetor's duty is to uphold the law, oversee &
moderate the Main List, admonish those who are abusing others,
punish them if need be & oversee trials.
Here is the Lex Salicia Poenalis for CALUMNIA:

Whoever is proven to have made to a third party a false and
defamatory statement about a person which has damaged the dignity or
reputation of that person may be compelled to make a DECLARATIO
PVBLICA: the convicted reus shall then present a public retraction
and apology in order to restore the actor's dignity and reputation
in one of Nova Roma's official venues within thirty days of the
official announcement of the sentence.

So Scholastica utters the falsehood that I have banished her from
my 'fiefdom,' meaning the podcast. I am 'obnoxious' & 'self-
centered' & 'drive nails into the coffins of good citizens.

That's Calumnia, my friend, now what can I do? Tell the praetrix to
bring an action against herself? Complain to her that a civis on the
ML is being abused & have her punish herself with moderation? So if
she is free to insult me because as praetrix she doesn't have to
worry about consequences, that is an abuse of her power.

Marca Hortensia Maior
producer "Vox Romana" podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/

P.S. As for Cornutus, he deserves more for abandoning his civic
duties as Diribitor & sacerdos Iano . Shameful & unRoman. You can
hold his hand.

> Oh Great Authority On All Things Traditionally Roman. Have you

not spoken

> of how lively (fiery) Roman politics are and how it is

historically correct

> for Romans to abuse one another publicly? Perhaps A. Tullia is

speaking as a

> private citizen and not ex officio. I would add that what she is

saying is

> not detrimental to the public health but is merely a citizen

speaking of

> another citizen.
>
> I believe that abuse of power would be for her to speak her mind

and opinion

> but not allow you to respond by using some power of her office to

prevent

> you from doing so.
>
> Besides, virtually everyone on the ML who is active has been

obnoxious at

> one time or another. I thought that you were obnoxious when you

lambasted the

> sacerdos Ianus when he resigned. Perhaps he did have an

excellent reason for

> his resignation.
>
> Did you email him privately and ask the reason? Did you attempt

to persuade

> him to stay as a citizen of NR and merely resign his office as

diribitor?

> Did you suggest that he take a leave of absence to be sure he was

doing the

> right thing? Did you do anything besides publicly berate him?
>
> Vale.
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com

>
>
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>

Salvete omnes,

As a part of Ludi Ceriales (12th-19th April) there'll be an literary
contest not to miss!

Your mission is: write a text 1-2 pages long about following theme:
Plebs.

All genres and styles are permitted and encouraged. Submit your work
to me privately by email (c.curius@...). The Deadline
is at 12th of April.

As a prize for winner there is one new NR coin as well as a place of
honour at the Ceriales page at the NR website. Best runner-ups also
are rewarded with a place at the NR website.

Should you want to keep your work anonymous from public or choose not
to accept publication of your work at the NR website please indicate
that when submitting your work to me.

As an Aedile I'll be the judge of the competition.

Valete and Good Luck for all!

C. Curius Saturninus

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org





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> A. Tullia Scholastica Fl. Galerio Aureliano quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Fl. Galerius Marca Hortensia sal.
>
> Oh Great Authority On All Things Traditionally Roman. Have you not spoken
> of how lively (fiery) Roman politics are and how it is historically correct
> for Romans to abuse one another publicly? Perhaps A. Tullia is speaking as a
> private citizen and not ex officio.
>
> Of course...And much more gently than I have received from her, or than
> Cornutus did...without any provocation. Those who have been here long enough
> know what to expect from this quarter, and should be able to form their own
> opinions on that subject.
>
>
> I would add that what she is saying is
> not detrimental to the public health but is merely a citizen speaking of
> another citizen.
>
> I believe that abuse of power would be for her to speak her mind and opinion
> but not allow you to respond by using some power of her office to prevent
> you from doing so.
>
> We let her rant and rave at will...but didn¹t miss her during her recent
> absence. It¹s been nice and peaceful. I at least like it that way.
>
>
> Besides, virtually everyone on the ML who is active has been obnoxious at
> one time or another. I thought that you were obnoxious when you lambasted
> the
> sacerdos Ianus when he resigned. Perhaps he did have an excellent reason for
> his resignation.
>
> I agree, which is why I responded. Cornutus certainly did nothing to
> deserve the tongue-lashing he got from Maior. He annoyed her, so he got the
> venom...but she didn¹t even look far enough to see that others besides him
> might conceivably be interested in hearing a ritual in Latin. Heck, I would;
> probably Barbatus would, Cato would, Parva would...and no doubt others besides
> the Latinists (Christian or not) and our calendar boy would. Any work the
> pontifices did for Cornutus can certainly be used, so what¹s her gripe?
>
> Did you email him privately and ask the reason?
>
> I did, but I doubt Maior did.
>
> Did you attempt to persuade
> him to stay as a citizen of NR
>
> I made some suggestions in that direction...
>
> and merely resign his office as diribitor?
>
> We REALLY need them...it would be much better if he hadn¹t resigned this
> office, to say nothing of his citizenship.
>
> Did you suggest that he take a leave of absence to be sure he was doing the
> right thing?
>
> Are you kidding?
>
> Did you do anything besides publicly berate him?
>
> Now, Aureliane, you know that that ain¹t her style! Insult someone for
> making a personal decision is much more likely. I was surprised at the fury
> she hurled at him, however. It was totally uncalled-for. No wonder people
> leave NR...
>
> Vale.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
> **************************************

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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Kalendis Aprilibus; haec dies fastus est.

"Perform the rites of the goddess, Roman brides and mothers,
And you who must not wear the headbands and long robes.
Remove the golden necklaces from her marble neck,
Remove her riches: the goddess must be cleansed, complete.
Return the gold necklaces to her neck, once it's dry:
Now she's given fresh flowers, and new-sprung roses.
She commands you too to bathe, under the green myrtle,
And there's a particular reason for her command (learn, now!).
Naked, on the shore, she was drying her dripping hair:
The Satyrs, that wanton crowd, spied the goddess.
She sensed it, and hid her body with a screen of myrtle:
Doing so, she was safe: she commands that you do so too.
Learn now why you offer incense to Fortuna Virilis,
In that place that steams with heated water.
All women remove their clothes on entering,
And every blemish on their bodies is seen:
Virile Fortune undertakes to hide those from the men,
And she does this at the behest of a little incense.
Don't begrudge her poppies, crushed in creamy milk
And in flowing honey, squeezed from the comb:
When Venus was first led to her eager spouse,
She drank so: and from that moment was a bride.
Please her with words of supplication: beauty,
Virtue, and good repute are in her keeping.
In our forefather's time Rome lapsed from chastity:
And the ancients consulted the old woman of Cumae.
She ordered a temple built to Venus: when it was done
Venus took the name of Heart-Changer (Verticordia).
Loveliest One, always look with a benign gaze
On the sons of Aeneas, and guard their many wives.
As I speak, Scorpio, the tip of whose raised tail
Strikes fear, plunges down into the green waves." - Ovid, Fasti IV


"...in the Beginning of [April] there is read upon the Calends,
Veneralia ludi, Senatus legitimus. Now, it is possible these
Veneralia, were feasts in honour of Venus, which they celebrated with
publick Sports; which perfectly agrees...with the Words of Ausonius.
Before Venus there stands a Candlestick, with a Wax-taper lighted, in
the Flame of which they burnt Grains of Incense. The lines of Ausonius
are to this purpose: 'April does Honour to Venus cover'd with Myrtle.
With this Month is seen the Light of Incense, with which the
beneficent Ceres shines. Nor are those Perfumes wanting which are
always issue from the Paphian Goddess'." -Montfaucon, Antiq. Suppl.,
on the Calendar of Philocalus (p. 19)


"Hail, Lady of the Morning Star!
You who rose form the sea foam,
Born of the impersonal severed phallus of the sky
Immersed in the impersonal womb of the sea,
You who rode to shore on a shell of pearl
And whose powers no one can resist
Save the virgin goddesses,
You who bring the glow of gold
Into the lives of all whom you touch,
Lady, we revere you as the avatar
Of the love between equals
Who look each other in the eye,
The attraction and pursuit
Between every particle in the universe.
Hail, Lady of the Evening Star!
You who rule the night
With its darker passions,
You who tempt the wistful heart,
You whose hands reach out
To all the world and more,
Lady, we revere you as a force of nature
Far greater than merely the human heart,
For you are the force that binds together
All that dances with another of its kind
In the endless dance of creation." - Pagan Book of Hours, Hymn to
Venus


"Come to us Venus, O Queen of Cnidos and Paphos, leave Cyprus, though
the isle is dear to you, come instead to where the incense is thick
and Glycera sings to you, that you may transfer your home to your new
shrine among us. Bring along for your company desirous Cupid, with
loose-girdled Graces and laughing Nymphs, youthful Juventus and
Mercury, who without you are graceless." - Horace, Carminum Liber I.
XXX.1-8


"Why on the festival of the Veneralia do they pour out a great
quantity of wine from the temple of Venus?

Is it true, as most authorities affirm, that Mezentius, general of the
Etruscans, sent to Aeneas and offered peace on condition of his
receiving the year's vintage? But when Aeneas refused, Mezentius
promised his Etruscans that when he had prevailed in battle, he would
give them the wine. Aeneas learned of his promise and consecrated the
wine to the gods, and after his victory he collected all the vintage
and poured it out in front of the temple of Venus. Or is this also
symbolic, indicating that men should be sober and not drunken on
festival days, since the gods take more pleasure in those who spill
much strong drink than in those who imbibe it?" - Plutarch, Moralia,
"Roman Questions" 45


Today is the Veneralia, the Roman festival of Venus Verticordia
("Changer of hearts"), the goddess of love and beauty. The worship of
the goddess Fortuna Virilis ("Bold fortune") was also part of this
festival. In Rome, women removed jewelry from the statue of the
goddess, washed her, and adorned her with flowers, and similarly
bathed themselves in the public baths wearing wreaths of myrtle on
their heads. It was generally a day for women to seek divine help in
their relations with men. Venus is also the mother of Aeneas, the
Trojan hero of the Aeneid who left the fallen city of Troy with his
father Anchises on his back. Eventually, after a dalliance in Carthage
with Queen Dido, he arrived in Italy.

Venus is the Roman goddess of love and beauty, but originally a
vegetation goddess and patroness of gardens and vineyards. Later,
under Greek influence, she was equated with Aphrodite and assumed many
of her aspects. Her cult originated from Ardea and Lavinium in Latium.
The oldest temple known of Venus dates back to 293 B.C. and was
inaugurated on August 18. Later, on this date the Vinalia Rustica was
observed. A second festival, that of the Veneralia, is celebrated on
April 1 in honor of Venus Verticordia, who later became the protector
against vice. Her temple was built in 114 B.C. After the Roman defeat
near Lake Trasum in 215 B.C., a temple was built on the Capitol for
Venus Erycina.

Venus is the daughter of Iuppiter, and some of her lovers include Mars
and Vulcan, modeled on the affairs of Aphrodite. Venus' importance
rose, and that of her cult, through the influence of several Roman
political leaders. The dictator Sulla made her his patroness, and both
Julius Caesar and the emperor Augustus named her the ancestor of their
(Julian) family: the 'gens Julia' was Aeneas, son of Venus and the
mortal Anchises. Ceasar introduced the cult of Venus Genetrix, the
goddess of motherhood and marriage, and built a temple for her in 46
B.C. She was also honored in the temple of Mars Ultor. The last great
temple of Venus was built by the emperor Hadrianus near the Colusseum
in A.D. 135.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Montfaucon, Plutarch, Homer, Wikipedia, Venus (http://
www.pantheon.org/articles/v/venus.html)

Cato M. Hortensiae sal.

Marca Hortensia, I was explaining what *Christians* believe. I
thought that might have been obvious.

Vale,

Cato

Cato M. Hortensiae sal.

Marca Hortensia, you wrote:

"...now what can I do? Tell the praetrix to bring an action against
herself? Complain to her that a civis on the ML is being abused &
have her punish herself with moderation? So if she is free to insult
me because as praetrix she doesn't have to worry about consequences,
that is an abuse of her power."

But look! up in the sky! it's - THE OTHER PRAETOR! Oh my goodness!
The Romans were geniuses at figuring out how to create a balanced
government - there's TWO of EVERYBODY!

Besides which, my colleague cannot have a lawsuit brought against her
while she is in office, as I'm sure you simply momentarily forgot.

Vale,

Cato

>
> I created this list to be a depository for information concerning the
> Plebians of our ancient forefathers, or to reflect dualism between the
> ancient and the modern in certain cases.

Salvete

I would remind all citizens that the NR wiki also exists as a
depository for this sort of information. I would be happy to see
people contributing more of this sort of article.

Optime valete

Agricola

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit

The gripe for me is that he was a priest of Ianus, a God of new beginnings.
He conducted a ritual to Ianus at the first of January and resigns now.
This, to me, is not a good omen. I am not going to hold his hand and try to
convince him to stay. He has shirked his duty and obligations. He was an
accensus of mine when I was Consul but offered not a single ounce of
assistance.

Nova Roma is composed of people of many different faiths. If this man had
another "faith crisis" and felt he had to move on then by all means I hope
he moves on and never graces our steps again. We need citizens who have
fortitude, and staying power.

I used to fight with Hortensia with vigor. But she has shown that she has
fortitude and has stayed in Nova Roma through many attacks on her
character. As have many of us. I can respect that, and even folks that I
disagree with who stay through all the turmoil that at times befalls us I
can respect those who stick with it. That, to me, is Romanitas in our
modern world.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 4/1/07, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

> > I agree, which is why I responded. Cornutus certainly did nothing to
> > deserve the tongue-lashing he got from Maior. He annoyed her, so he got
> the
> > venom...but she didn¹t even look far enough to see that others besides
> him
> > might conceivably be interested in hearing a ritual in Latin. Heck, I
> would;
> > probably Barbatus would, Cato would, Parva would...and no doubt others
> besides
> > the Latinists (Christian or not) and our calendar boy would. Any work
> the
> > pontifices did for Cornutus can certainly be used, so what¹s her gripe?
>


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Salvete,

1) The divinity of Jesus was established by vote of man in 325 CE at
the Council of Nicea. This is not opinion, this is fact.

2) You have to be willing to accept the fact that the historical Jesus
has very little to do with the Paulist view of Jesus.

3) The main thing is that there is a good force and a bad force in the
universe. How you divide that up and reflect upon it is called your
religious belief system, which is different for each person and that
is okay.

Vale optime,
Triarius

> I used to fight with Hortensia with vigor. But she has shown that

she has

> fortitude and has stayed in Nova Roma through many attacks on her
> character. As have many of us. I can respect that, and even

folks that I

> disagree with who stay through all the turmoil that at times

befalls us I

> can respect those who stick with it. That, to me, is Romanitas in

our

> modern world.
>

Salvete citizens et Pontifex Modiani!

Come to think of it, I cannot help but notice that we have one hell
of a group of tough, stoic ladies here in NR and today I choose to
salute them all! Over the years I have seen many cat fights so to
speak, yet most of all the forerunners i.e, those involved have
stayed the course. Perhaps they resigned an office or dwelled in the
back alley for a spell but I very rarely have seen one resign her
citizenship.Over the last few years I wrote to people who were
quitting and the only few, save one fellow who had the courtesy to
write back and address my point of view were women (who stayed on by
the way).

Hopefully some of the men here won't have to don stolas and need to
further learn from these ladies how to be tough Romans in taking the
kicks and punches (figuratively speaking) along with the good and
bad.

Valete bene,

Quintus Suetonius Paulinus

Cato Triario sal.

You wrote:

"1) The divinity of Jesus was established by vote of man in 325 CE at
the Council of Nicea. This is not opinion, this is fact."

Only in Dan Brown's world :-)

Jesus' divinity was attested long long before Nicaea met. In the
writings of the New Testament:

In the Gospel of St. John 8:58, when quizzed about how He has special
knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you,
before Abraham was, I AM" — invoking and applying to Himself the
personal Name of God — "I AM" (Exodus 3:14). His audience understood
exactly what He was claiming about Himself. "So they took up stones
to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the
temple." (John 8:59).

In John 20:28, Thomas falls at Jesus' feet, exclaiming, "My Lord and
my God!" (Greek: Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou—literally, "The Lord
of me and the God of me!")

In Philippians 2:6, Paul tells us that Christ Jesus "[w]ho, being in
very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be
grasped" (NIV). So Jesus chose to be born in humble, human form
though He could have simply remained in equal glory with the Father
for He was "in very nature God."

In the Early Fathers:

"For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with
God's plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy
Spirit" - Ignatius, Letter to the Ephesians, 18:2 (AD 110)

"[T]o the Church beloved and enlightened after the love of Jesus
Christ, our God, by the will of Him that has willed everything which
is" - Ignatius, Letter to the Romans 1 (AD 110)

"We are not playing the fool, you Greeks, nor do we talk nonsense,
when we report that God was born in the form of a man" - Tatian,
Address to the Greeks 21 (AD 170)

"For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even
to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from
their disciples the faith in one God, Father Almighty, the creator of
heaven and earth and sea and all that is in them; and in one Jesus
Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in
the Holy Spirit, who announced through the prophets the dispensations
and the comings, and the birth from a Virgin, and the passion, and
the resurrection from the dead, and the bodily ascension into heaven
of the beloved Christ Jesus our Lord, and his coming from heaven in
the glory of the Father to reestablish all things; and the raising up
again of all flesh of all humanity, in order that to Jesus Christ our
Lord and God and Savior and King, in accord with the approval of the
invisible Father, every knee shall bend of those in heaven and on
earth and under the earth..." - St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1:10:1
(AD 189)

"Nevertheless, what cannot be said of anyone else who ever lived,
that he is himself in his own right God and Lord...may be seen by all
who have attained to even a small portion of the truth" - ibid.,
3:19:1

"Although he was God, he took flesh; and having been made man, he
remained what he was: God." - Origen, The Fundamental Doctrines 1:0:4
(AD 225)

"If Christ was only man, why did he lay down for us such a rule of
believing as that in which he said, `And this is life eternal, that
they should know you, the only and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom
thou hast sent?' [John 17:3]. Had he not wished that he also should
be understood to be God, why did he add, `And Jesus Christ, whom thou
hast sent,' except because he wished to be received as God also?
Because if he had not wished to be understood to be God, he would
have added, `And the man Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent;' but, in
fact, he neither added this, nor did Christ deliver himself to us as
man only, but associated himself with God, as he wished to be
understood by this conjunction to be God also, as he is. We must
therefore believe, according to the rule prescribed, on the Lord, the
one true God, and consequently on him whom he has sent, Jesus Christ,
who by no means, as we have said, would have linked himself to the
Father had he not wished to be understood to be God also. For he
would have separated himself from him had he not wished to be
understood to be God." - Novation, Treatise on the Trinity 16 (AD 235)

"`Well, then,' some raging, angry, and excited man will say, `is that
Christ your God?' `God indeed,' we shall answer, `and God of the
hidden powers.'" - Arnobius, Against the Pagans 1:42 (AD 305)

"We, on the other hand, are [truly] religious, who make our
supplications to the one true God. Someone may perhaps ask how, when
we say that we worship one God only, we nevertheless assert that
there are two, God the Father and God the Son—which assertion has
driven many into the greatest error . . . [thinking] that we confess
that there is another God, and that he is mortal. . . . [But w]hen we
speak of God the Father and God the Son, we do not speak of them as
different, nor do we separate each, because the Father cannot exist
without the Son, nor can the Son be separated from the Father." -
Lactantius, Divine Institutes 4:28–29 (AD 307)



Nicaea only defined His relationship to God the Father - whether or
not He was the same substance ("homoousios") or of a similiar
substance ("homoiousios"). But this is a topic perhaps best
discussed on the NR Christians List:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Christians

Vale bene,

Cato

Cato,

You are citing New Testament sources, all written by people who never
met Jesus personally, nor lived in his time. All of these are from the
realm of Paul and his followers. That is like speaking of the history
and true nature of American politics, based on the writing of the
Republican National Committee.

and...no, I got the Nicean information about 20 years ago from a Roman
Catholic priest in my parish. It is from him that I learned of the
banned Gospels, written by those who knew Christ personally. My
favorite is the Gospel of Thomas...glad it didn't get burned.

Vale optime,
Triarius

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Lucio Vitellio Triario salutem dicit

I am a "big fan" of non-canonical literature (especially the Nag Hammadi
codices) but the claim that they were written earlier than the canonical
texts is not necessarily true. The Gospel of Thomas is probably an early
text, but the Gospel of Mary is most likely not. The Secret Book of John
*might* have roots pre-dating Christianity and then later Christianized
(that is one opinion I have read), but no one is 100% sure. Scholars cannot
agree on the EXACT date of any text, although consensus can probably get
close.

The canonization process of sacred literature is interesting, and that was a
process started (if memory serves me correctly) by Irenaeus and supported by
others. Some texts were rejected some religious leaders because it didn't
mesh with their dogmatism. It is interesting to read that Valentinus was a
contender for Bishop of Rome -- but that didn't happen.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 4/1/07, Triarius <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:
>
> Cato,
>
> You are citing New Testament sources, all written by people who never
> met Jesus personally, nor lived in his time. All of these are from the
> realm of Paul and his followers. That is like speaking of the history
> and true nature of American politics, based on the writing of the
> Republican National Committee.
>
> and...no, I got the Nicean information about 20 years ago from a Roman
> Catholic priest in my parish. It is from him that I learned of the
> banned Gospels, written by those who knew Christ personally. My
> favorite is the Gospel of Thomas...glad it didn't get burned.
>
> Vale optime,
> Triarius
>


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Scaurus Triario et al. SPD.

It's ironical to be defending Cato on this one, and supporting a claim
for the general historicity of elements of the gospels, given that I'm
the sort who thinks that the two greatest tragedies of Western
civilisation were Decius deciding to fight the Goths in a swamp and
Diocletian's retirement, but there has been some nonsense posted here.

All claims about divinity are written by men, since literary sources
are always a result of human agency. No claim of divinity can be
proven historically because it is a theological claim, and history and
theology are different modes of discourse. The idea that the Council
of Nicaea originated the claims of divinity for Jesus of Nazareth is
patently false on the face of it: Arianism and Athanasianism are
incomprehensible except as the consequence of a nearly
three-hundred-year debate on how to reconcile claims of divinity with
Jesus' humanity. Then there is the wealth of evidence of such divine
claims in the Gospel of Mark, which on textual grounds must be dated
within a decade or so of the destruction of the temple in 70 CE.

The gospels are, obvious from textual evidence, composite liturgical
texts. However, historical-textual critical techniques do allow us to
disambiguate to a considerable degree what appear to be historical
assertions from theological, apologetic, and polemical material. That
there was a Jesus of Nazareth, that he had a Galilean and Judean
ministry, that he entered Jerusalem and commenced a campaign
threatening to both Roman rule and that of the Jewish elite, and that
he was crucified for it are likely to be historical facts preserved in
these texts. The pasion week narratives get dodgier the further one
gets into them, for both theological and polemical reasons, largely
the theological need for the narrative to convey the idea that the
crucifixion and resurrection are the telos of Jesus and the polemical
need to shift blame for the crucifixion from the Roman governor to the
Sanhedrin once the break between the Christian and Jewish communities
took place. This latter factor is also a reason to be skeptical of
much of the Talmudic literature, since it originates in the intense
polemics arising from that break and is at least as ideologically
anti-Christian as the New Testament is anti-Semitic, if not more so.
And the passion week narratives collide with the undisputed facts that
no historical source ever ascribes jurisdiction over capital cases to
the Sanhedrin during Roman rule and that such jurisdiction would run
completely contrary to Roman law and provincial practice.

What I find interesting about the Palm Sunday narratives is the
possibility that they contain the first evidence of why the Romans
began to see Jesus of Nazareth as a serious potential threat (rather
than the narratives being some adumbration of polytheistic rituals
being borrowed into Christianity). The greeting of divinised rulers
at the gates of cities by strewing palm fonds in their path had a long
history in the ancient near east: Palm Sunday was evidence of a claim
to rulership, and its acceptance by a portion of the Jerusalem
population, which Roman rule could not ignore -- other messianic
pretenders had paid with their lives for less.

Valete.

Scaurus

Salvete Omnes,

I can't understand why we are talking here, in Nova-Roma, about Jesus,
a character who never existed, and Gospels, books made by forgers,
without historic interest nor literary value, devoted to an intolerant
and criminal sect who destroyed European civilization.

Valete,

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Celticae Legatus

Scaurus Minervali SPD.

Scripsisti:

> I can't understand why we are talking here, in Nova-Roma, about Jesus,
> a character who never existed, and Gospels, books made by forgers,
> without historic interest nor literary value, devoted to an intolerant
> and criminal sect who destroyed European civilization.

Because not all of us who despise Christianity reject the entire
corpus of modern scholarship on the subject, as apparently you do.

Vale.

Scaurus

M. Hortensia G. Equitio spd;
no amice, I realize you are there. I was waiting to see if
1. Scholastica would apologize, stop libelling me & what you are
doing!

2. Yes I fully realize you cannot sue a magistrate while in
office, which is why I said she is abusing her power. And really
it's pathetic to sue, I'd rather be free to reply robustly;-)

3. Frankly, I would prefer to be truly Roman and end list
moderation entirely. Well, Flavi Galeri Aureliane? Let our tribune
of the plebs offer legislation to change this. I will vote for it.
Then I could tell Scholastica a thing or two without getting
moderated.

So shall we end list moderation & return to the mos of the
Republic?
bene vale
M. Hortensia Maior

> Cato M. Hortensiae sal.
>
> Marca Hortensia, you wrote:
>
> "...now what can I do? Tell the praetrix to bring an action

against

> herself? Complain to her that a civis on the ML is being abused &
> have her punish herself with moderation? So if she is free to

insult

> me because as praetrix she doesn't have to worry about

consequences,

> that is an abuse of her power."
>
> But look! up in the sky! it's - THE OTHER PRAETOR! Oh my

goodness!

> The Romans were geniuses at figuring out how to create a balanced
> government - there's TWO of EVERYBODY!
>
> Besides which, my colleague cannot have a lawsuit brought against

her

> while she is in office, as I'm sure you simply momentarily forgot.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

M. Hortensia Modiano Paulinoque spd;
oh I am moved by your economium on my Romanitas. G.
Buteo Modianus received many a tongue lashing from me! He helped
declare me sacer & then removed it. I admire his strength, his
convictions, his endless battle to get the religio moving. This is
the kind of spirit Nova Roma needs. Let the weak leave; the strong
remain!
M. Hortensia Maior
ah, Pauline, I like that & I for one wear a toga, the symbol of
Roman citizenship!

>
> > I used to fight with Hortensia with vigor. But she has shown

that

> she has
> > fortitude and has stayed in Nova Roma through many attacks on her
> > character. As have many of us. I can respect that, and even
> folks that I
> > disagree with who stay through all the turmoil that at times
> befalls us I
> > can respect those who stick with it. That, to me, is Romanitas

in

> our
> > modern world.
> >
>
> Salvete citizens et Pontifex Modiani!
>
> Come to think of it, I cannot help but notice that we have one

hell

> of a group of tough, stoic ladies here in NR and today I choose to
> salute them all! Over the years I have seen many cat fights so to
> speak, yet most of all the forerunners i.e, those involved have
> stayed the course. Perhaps they resigned an office or dwelled in

the

> back alley for a spell but I very rarely have seen one resign her
> citizenship.Over the last few years I wrote to people who were
> quitting and the only few, save one fellow who had the courtesy to
> write back and address my point of view were women (who stayed on

by

> the way).
>
> Hopefully some of the men here won't have to don stolas and need

to

> further learn from these ladies how to be tough Romans in taking

the

> kicks and punches (figuratively speaking) along with the good and
> bad.
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
>

> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni collegae quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Cato M. Hortensiae sal.
>
> Marca Hortensia, you wrote:
>
> "...now what can I do? Tell the praetrix to bring an action against
> herself? Complain to her that a civis on the ML is being abused &
> have her punish herself with moderation? So if she is free to insult
> me because as praetrix she doesn't have to worry about consequences,
> that is an abuse of her power."
>
> But look! up in the sky! it's - THE OTHER PRAETOR! Oh my goodness!
> The Romans were geniuses at figuring out how to create a balanced
> government - there's TWO of EVERYBODY!
>
> ATS: Not only that, but there are not only dual (grammatically speaking)
> magistrates, there are plural ones, as in the case of five NR tribuni and
> eight quaestores (when we have a full complement of them, that is).
>
> Besides which, my colleague cannot have a lawsuit brought against her
> while she is in office, as I'm sure you simply momentarily forgot.
>
> ATS: And there is yet another issue, which should not have escaped the
> notice of calmer heads...
>
> Plus, she called me a liar...and so did her buddy Saturninus, who has yet
> to understand that I am not seething with rage (as certain other parties do)
> when I state facts or opinions...but that is injurious to me and I might have
> to file a petitio actionis with my colleague. Classicists don¹t lie. Period.
> Misinterpret, maybe, but lie, no.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
> Vale, et valete.
>

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Cato M. Hortensiae sal.

I'm glad you haven't forgotten me :-)

My colleague and I are currently wrestling over a correct form for an
edict for moderation, trying to find common ground acceptable to both
of us. We are, of course, irrevocably bound by Yahoo!'s ToS for the
meantime, and I have not seen anything posted that even hints at the
necessity for more right now.

As far as the duel between yourself and my colleague, carry on, as
good Romans would.

Vale,

Cato

Salvete,

I guess we will not know the correct answers and questions until we
breathe our last breaths.

Vale optime,
Triarius

Salvete,

We could hold the Ludi Easteres, race donkeys in the Circus, and ask
for Isis blessing?

Okay, I have to go to work now...

Vale optime,
Triarius

> A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Suetonio Paulino C. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
>> > I used to fight with Hortensia with vigor. But she has shown that
> she has
>> > fortitude and has stayed in Nova Roma through many attacks on her
>> > character. As have many of us. I can respect that, and even
> folks that I
>> > disagree with who stay through all the turmoil that at times
> befalls us I
>> > can respect those who stick with it. That, to me, is Romanitas in
> our
>> > modern world.
>
> ATS: Hortensia is tenacious, even tenacious to the point of resembling
> that quality in a pit bull. Sometimes that is good, sometimes not.
>> >
>
> Salvete citizens et Pontifex Modiani!
>
> Come to think of it, I cannot help but notice that we have one hell
> of a group of tough, stoic ladies here in NR and today I choose to
> salute them all! Over the years I have seen many cat fights so to
> speak, yet most of all the forerunners i.e, those involved have
> stayed the course. Perhaps they resigned an office or dwelled in the
> back alley for a spell but I very rarely have seen one resign her
> citizenship.Over the last few years I wrote to people who were
> quitting and the only few, save one fellow who had the courtesy to
> write back and address my point of view were women (who stayed on by
> the way).
>
> ATS: This is one non-cat (non pit bull, too) who takes no pleasure in
> fighting, but when someone is assailed out of the blue for making a personal
> decision that annoys a hotheaded member who then lashes out, something should
> be said..especially when the complainant is far from flawless. That sort of
> behavior does in fact drive people away. We are not running the NHL here, and
> like to keep things more peaceful, both on the ice and in the stands.
>
> Hopefully some of the men here won't have to don stolas and need to
> further learn from these ladies how to be tough Romans in taking the
> kicks and punches (figuratively speaking) along with the good and
> bad.
>
> ATS: Well, Hortensia wears a toga...something I wouldn¹t do apart from a
> demonstration for my colleagues or my students. Now, armor is another matter;
> that I might do if I could...I¹ll need it if I ever run for a magistracy again
> amid the venom-spitting that is aimed in my direction.
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Et tu!
>
> Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
>
> Vale, et valete.
>

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Salvete;
actually today is the Veneralia, a good time to make peace:) While
tomorrow is Passover. I of course will not point out the sheer
antiquity & wonderfulness of the Jewish people which even the Romans
admired, while finding their religion most peculiar!

Actually Fortuna Virilis is celebrated today. I with the help of the
excellent NRwikimasters have made an online Aedes Fortunae at the
NRWiki. King Servius Tullius was devoted to her. Ah Dea Fortuna be
propitious to me!
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Fortuna
Maior

> Salvete,
>
> We could hold the Ludi Easteres, race donkeys in the Circus, and ask
> for Isis blessing?
>
> Okay, I have to go to work now...
>
> Vale optime,
> Triarius
>

Cato Triario sal.

Or JUST afterwards :-)

Vale bene,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com,
"Triarius" <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete,
>
> I guess we will not know the correct answers and questions until we
> breathe our last breaths.
>
> Vale optime,
> Triarius
>

M. Hortensia A. Scholasticae salutem dicit;
let's take this tiresome fight over to the Back Alley &
we can settle it unless you are chicken. Otherwise shut up about me.
And I will shut up about you. Cornutus doesn't need your defense. I
wrote to Cornutus privately & he cursed me & the pontifices roundly
& explicitly.
you can meet me over at the BA & stop this now
Maior

> >
> > ATS: Hortensia is tenacious, even tenacious to the point of

resembling

> > that quality in a pit bull. Sometimes that is good, sometimes

not.

> > ATS: This is one non-cat (non pit bull, too) who takes no

pleasure in

> > fighting, but when someone is assailed out of the blue for

making a personal

> > decision that annoys a hotheaded member who then lashes out,

something should

> > be said..especially when the complainant is far from flawless.

That sort of

> > behavior does in fact drive people away. We are not running the

NHL here, and

> > like to keep things more peaceful, both on the ice and in the

stands.

> >
> > ATS: Well, Hortensia wears a toga...something I wouldn¹t do

apart from a

> > demonstration for my colleagues or my students. Now, armor is

another matter;

> > that I might do if I could...I¹ll need it if I ever run for a

magistracy again

> > amid the venom-spitting that is aimed in my direction.
> >
> > Valete bene,
> >
> > Et tu!
> >
> > Quintus Suetonius Paulinus
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Cato L. Rutilio Minervalico sal.

Rutilius Minervalis, I would remind you that even as a Christian I
present the calendar and recount the exploits of the Roman and Greek
(and sometimes Egyptian) deities and their festivals without feeling
the need to editorialize on either their historical trustworthiness
or their theological validity.

Please try to conduct yourself with equal restraint when speaking of
Christianity.

Oh, and you might want to pick up a history book or two while you're
at it. You'd apparently be surprised to discover what's been going
on in Europe over the past 2000 years or so.

Vale,

Cato

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Iulio Scauro salutem dicit

"Then there is the wealth of evidence of such divine claims in the Gospel of
Mark, which on textual grounds must be dated within a decade or so of the
destruction of the temple in 70 CE."

You might be thinking of the Gospel of John which clearly makes the claim
that Jesus was/is Divine -- and like the three synoptic Gospels was probably
written in the first century but was probably the last of the four. I have
read that the Gospel of Mark is probably the closest to the Q source.

Vale;

Modianus

On 4/1/07, Gregory Rose <gregory.rose@...> wrote:
>
> Scaurus Triario et al. SPD.
>
>
> All claims about divinity are written by men, since literary sources
> are always a result of human agency. No claim of divinity can be
> proven historically because it is a theological claim, and history and
> theology are different modes of discourse. The idea that the Council
> of Nicaea originated the claims of divinity for Jesus of Nazareth is
> patently false on the face of it: Arianism and Athanasianism are
> incomprehensible except as the consequence of a nearly
> three-hundred-year debate on how to reconcile claims of divinity with
> Jesus' humanity. Then there is the wealth of evidence of such divine
> claims in the Gospel of Mark, which on textual grounds must be dated
> within a decade or so of the destruction of the temple in 70 CE.
>
>
>
>


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Salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

> Please try to conduct yourself with equal restraint when speaking of
> Christianity.

I understand that, like your "brothers in Christ", you are opposed to
the freedom of speech. But you will not lead me to the stake/gallows
as easily as in the past.

>
> Oh, and you might want to pick up a history book or two while you're
> at it.

I believed that knowledge was a horrible sin?

> You'd apparently be surprised to discover what's been going
> on in Europe over the past 2000 years or so.
>

I do not think that you can be very proud of these 2000 last years...

Vale,

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Celticae Legatus

Salvete;
let's not go there. I for one could have lived very happily without
the past 2,000 years of Christianity: being called 'Christ killers',
persecution, discrimination,expulsion from Spain, Portugal, England,
forced to convert, being burnt to death, the Protocols of Zion -
very popular today in Muslim countries! various pograms, as late as
after WWII & the Holocaust, where the Nazis and their willing Jew-
hating helpers in France, Greece, Germany, Austria, Rumania etc
exterminated all my paternal grandfather's family.
yes I would have preferred 2,000 years of polytheistic
tolerant Rome anyday.

Maior

>
> Salve,
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@>
> wrote:
> > Please try to conduct yourself with equal restraint when

speaking of

> > Christianity.
>
> I understand that, like your "brothers in Christ", you are opposed

to

> the freedom of speech. But you will not lead me to the

stake/gallows

> as easily as in the past.
>
> >
> > Oh, and you might want to pick up a history book or two while

you're

> > at it.
>
>
> I believed that knowledge was a horrible sin?
>
> > You'd apparently be surprised to discover what's been going
> > on in Europe over the past 2000 years or so.
> >
>
> I do not think that you can be very proud of these 2000 last

years...

>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
> Celticae Legatus
>

Scaurus Modiano SPD

Scripsisti:

> You might be thinking of the Gospel of John which clearly makes the claim
> that Jesus was/is Divine -- and like the three synoptic Gospels was
> probably
> written in the first century but was probably the last of the four. I have
> read that the Gospel of Mark is probably the closest to the Q source.

I predicate my argument for a divine Christology in Mark on three points:

(1) The elaboration of a "son of God" trope -- "the gospel of Jesus
Christ, the Son of God" (Mark 1:1) and the centurion's remark after
his son's healing -- "truly this man was God's Son" (Mark 15:39), in
particular -- which divinises by divine patrimony. This is a common
motif in Hellenism and is the strongest evidence, in my view, for even
the earliest Christian communities experiening Hellenising influences
before Paul.

(2) Arrogation of a fundamental power exclusive to HaShem in Judaism,
the power to forgive sins as in the pericope on the healing of the
paralytic (Mark 2:1-12); in the context of first-century C.E. Judaism
this is an explicit claim of divinity.

(3) The entire first half of the gospel which concentrates on Jesus
as wonder-worker. Howeber, he is a unique wonder-worker in the Jewish
tradition, since he directly commands outcomes (as HaShem does in the
OT) rather than mediating with HaShem through prayer or acting as an
instrument of divine power (the prophetic paradigm of wonder-working
in the OT). Jesus acting as if he can directly do what only God can
do in the Jewish tradition is a divine claim.

I don't dispute that the high Christology of John is both more
explicit and more elaborate than the Christology of Mark, but there
is little of this sort in the Johannine tradition which is not
thoroughly adumbrated in a more muted fashion in Mark. I see no
reason to disbelieve that the early Christian community was making
claims of Jesus' divinity at least as early as within a couple of
decades of his death.

Vale.

Scaurus

> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni collegae L. Rutilio Minervali
> quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cato L. Rutilio Minervalico sal.
>
> Rutilius Minervalis, I would remind you that even as a Christian I
> present the calendar and recount the exploits of the Roman and Greek
> (and sometimes Egyptian) deities and their festivals without feeling
> the need to editorialize on either their historical trustworthiness
> or their theological validity.
>
> Please try to conduct yourself with equal restraint when speaking of
> Christianity.
>
>
> ATS: Cato amice, I think it is time to take this discussion off the ML
> and to the XP list, hoping that the spammer Muriel and his/her/its messages
> have been removed therefrom. This is a holy time for Christianity and
> Judaism, and one replete with RR feriae, so let us refrain from heated
> religious discussion especially at this time.
>
> Oh, and you might want to pick up a history book or two while you're
> at it. You'd apparently be surprised to discover what's been going
> on in Europe over the past 2000 years or so.
>
> ATS: One should also recognize that there are historical elements in this
> discussion which seem to have been agreed upon by a good many workers in that
> particular academic vineyard. The religious ones remain more controversial,
> but many seem to concur about the historical elements.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>

Valete.



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Cato M. Hortensiae L. Minervalico T. Scholasticae quiritibusque SPD

Salvete omnes.

I quite agree with my colleague; I think it best to refrain from
continuing in this vein in this Forum. An educated discussion (such
as that going on between Iulius Scaurus and Fabius Modianus) is one
thing; the ignorance about, and wholesale contempt for, Christianity
displayed by Marca Hortensia and Lucius Minervalis is a very
different one.

I will not ask - or order - any citizen to stop posting on this
subject or declare it "closed" as I am a fervent believer in
individual freedom of expression; I do, however, again request that
comments on the subject be made with some sense of civility and
respect for the religious beliefs of our fellow-citizens.

Valete,

Cato

Marca Hortensia, it may well be that you should take a lesson from the
recent political race between us. You chose to represent yourself to the Plebs as
fiery, impulsive, and reactionary. Despite your obvious experience and
ability, you did not win the election. You might want to learn from this and try
to practice a bit more restraint.

MHM" "kindly use the subject line"
FGA - No. I'll use whatever subject line I wish to use.

MHM - "Now in NR the praetor's duty is to uphold the law, oversee & moderate
the Main List, admonish those who are abusing others, punish them if need be
& oversee trials."

FGA - As a Tribune, it is also my job to uphold the Constitution of NR and
the by-laws of the organization and to prevent violation of the Constitution &
by-laws by a magistrate.. However, I have to look at the Law with an eye to
perception and interpretation as well as justice in upholding both the
letter and the spirit of the Law. You interpret the Lex Salicia Poenalis in a way
that suggests that A. Tullia has damaged your dignity or reputation by
making false and/or defamatory statement about you to a third party, i.e. the NR
ML. Unfortunately, my powers do not allow me to take action against A. Tullia
because she was not (in my opinion) acting as a magistrate when she made the
alleged statements about you. There is no evidence that she made the
statements ex officio as praetrix or abused you through her office. There is also
the matter of your dignity and reputation.
Personally, I believe that your reputation remains entirely intact by my
perception. Your dignity is a very personal concept and I will not speculate on
whether it has been damaged since that it a very subjective point. However,
you also have implied on one of your posts that A. Tullia lacks moral
courage to take your discussion onto the BA. That represents an implication on
your part that might also be conceived as being damaging to her reputation and
dignitas. However, I cannot see that your remarks have damaged her reputation
and once again dignity is a very personal and subjective point.

Now, NR has two praetors and if you are dead set on pursuing this matter,
you can take it to the other praetor. However, according to Roman tradition,
no legal action could be made against a sitting magistrate during their term
of office as this could result in an inability for the magistrate to perform
their office. I am sure that you of all people would not want to act in a
manner that is not traditional. If you wish to pursue this matter in the BA,
that is entirely your decision and may the best Nova Roman win. If you choose
to bring an action against A. Tullia for abuse of her office after her term
is up, I would happily make a copy of all of the emails on this matter & seal
the disk under a Notary Seal for your future edification & action

You can appeal to the other praetor that you would like private mediation
between you and A. Tullia to resolve this matter in the spirit of Pax et
Concordia for the good health (Salus) of the NR Republic. I would certainly
support such an action.

MHM - P.S. As for Cornutus, he deserves more for abandoning his civic duties
as Diribitor & sacerdos Iano . Shameful & unRoman. You can hold his hand.

FGA - As for Cornutus, I do not believe that he acted in the best interests
of the Republic and you have my oath that if he ever puts himself forward for
another sacred or public office under any nomen, I shall do everything in my
power to prevent it. I am in total agreement with the Censor that it is
shameful to resign from an office without having a serious personal or family
situation that would require such an action. I count on the current Censores
to stamp Cornutus' legal name upon their memories (since we cannot keep a
legal record of it) so that should he ever try to obtain a position of
responsibility, the citizenry can be reminded about it.

Be well.

M. Hortensia Fl. Galerio spd;
kindly use the subject line. Of course, Scholastica can call me all sorts of
names & much worse, it certainly is in line with Clodius Pulcher & others
during the Republic. Now in NR the praetor's duty is to uphold the law,
oversee & moderate the Main List, admonish those who are abusing others, punish
them if need be & oversee trials. Here is the Lex Salicia Poenalis for CALUMNIA:

"Whoever is proven to have made to a third party a false and defamatory
statement about a person which has damaged the dignity or reputation of that
person may be compelled to make a DECLARATIO
PVBLICA: the convicted reus shall then present a public retraction and
apology in order to restore the actor's dignity and reputation in one of Nova
Roma's official venues within thirty days of the official announcement of the
sentence.

So Scholastica utters the falsehood that I have banished her from my
'fiefdom,' meaning the podcast. I am 'obnoxious' & 'self-centered' & 'drive nails
into the coffins of good citizens.

That's Calumnia, my friend, now what can I do? Tell the praetrix to bring an
action against herself? Complain to her that a civis on the ML is being
abused & have her punish herself with moderation? So if she is free to insult me
because as praetrix she doesn't have to worry about consequences, that is an
abuse of her power.

Marca Hortensia Maior
producer "Vox Romana" podcast
_http://www.insulaumhttp://www.insulht_
(http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/)

P.S. As for Cornutus, he deserves more for abandoning his civic duties as
Diribitor & sacerdos Iano . Shameful & unRoman. You can hold his hand.






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Fl. Galerius L. Vitellio sal.

Are you spending a little too many shifts with the Knoxville urban cohortes?
It sounds like you need more sleep.

Vale.



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M. Hortensia Fl. Aurelio sd;
are you going to offer a lex to the plebs to end list
moderation?
vale
Maior, Roman to the bone

>
> Marca Hortensia, it may well be that you should take a lesson from

the

> recent political race between us. You chose to represent yourself

to the Plebs as

> fiery, impulsive, and reactionary. Despite your obvious

experience and

> ability, you did not win the election. You might want to learn

from this and try

> to practice a bit more restraint.
>
> MHM" "kindly use the subject line"
> FGA - No. I'll use whatever subject line I wish to use.
>
> MHM - "Now in NR the praetor's duty is to uphold the law, oversee

& moderate

> the Main List, admonish those who are abusing others, punish them

if need be

> & oversee trials."
>
> FGA - As a Tribune, it is also my job to uphold the Constitution

of NR and

> the by-laws of the organization and to prevent violation of the

Constitution &

> by-laws by a magistrate.. However, I have to look at the Law with

an eye to

> perception and interpretation as well as justice in upholding both

the

> letter and the spirit of the Law. You interpret the Lex Salicia

Poenalis in a way

> that suggests that A. Tullia has damaged your dignity or

reputation by

> making false and/or defamatory statement about you to a third

party, i.e. the NR

> ML. Unfortunately, my powers do not allow me to take action

against A. Tullia

> because she was not (in my opinion) acting as a magistrate when

she made the

> alleged statements about you. There is no evidence that she made

the

> statements ex officio as praetrix or abused you through her

office. There is also

> the matter of your dignity and reputation.
> Personally, I believe that your reputation remains entirely intact

by my

> perception. Your dignity is a very personal concept and I will

not speculate on

> whether it has been damaged since that it a very subjective

point. However,

> you also have implied on one of your posts that A. Tullia lacks

moral

> courage to take your discussion onto the BA. That represents an

implication on

> your part that might also be conceived as being damaging to her

reputation and

> dignitas. However, I cannot see that your remarks have damaged

her reputation

> and once again dignity is a very personal and subjective point.
>
> Now, NR has two praetors and if you are dead set on pursuing this

matter,

> you can take it to the other praetor. However, according to

Roman tradition,

> no legal action could be made against a sitting magistrate during

their term

> of office as this could result in an inability for the magistrate

to perform

> their office. I am sure that you of all people would not want to

act in a

> manner that is not traditional. If you wish to pursue this

matter in the BA,

> that is entirely your decision and may the best Nova Roman win.

If you choose

> to bring an action against A. Tullia for abuse of her office

after her term

> is up, I would happily make a copy of all of the emails on this

matter & seal

> the disk under a Notary Seal for your future edification & action
>
> You can appeal to the other praetor that you would like private

mediation

> between you and A. Tullia to resolve this matter in the spirit of

Pax et

> Concordia for the good health (Salus) of the NR Republic. I

would certainly

> support such an action.
>
> MHM - P.S. As for Cornutus, he deserves more for abandoning his

civic duties

> as Diribitor & sacerdos Iano . Shameful & unRoman. You can hold

his hand.

>
> FGA - As for Cornutus, I do not believe that he acted in the best

interests

> of the Republic and you have my oath that if he ever puts himself

forward for

> another sacred or public office under any nomen, I shall do

everything in my

> power to prevent it. I am in total agreement with the Censor that

it is

> shameful to resign from an office without having a serious

personal or family

> situation that would require such an action. I count on the

current Censores

> to stamp Cornutus' legal name upon their memories (since we

cannot keep a

> legal record of it) so that should he ever try to obtain a

position of

> responsibility, the citizenry can be reminded about it.
>
> Be well.
>
> M. Hortensia Fl. Galerio spd;
> kindly use the subject line. Of course, Scholastica can call me

all sorts of

> names & much worse, it certainly is in line with Clodius Pulcher

& others

> during the Republic. Now in NR the praetor's duty is to uphold

the law,

> oversee & moderate the Main List, admonish those who are abusing

others, punish

> them if need be & oversee trials. Here is the Lex Salicia

Poenalis for CALUMNIA:

>
> "Whoever is proven to have made to a third party a false and

defamatory

> statement about a person which has damaged the dignity or

reputation of that

> person may be compelled to make a DECLARATIO
> PVBLICA: the convicted reus shall then present a public

retraction and

> apology in order to restore the actor's dignity and reputation in

one of Nova

> Roma's official venues within thirty days of the official

announcement of the

> sentence.
>
> So Scholastica utters the falsehood that I have banished her from

my

> 'fiefdom,' meaning the podcast. I am 'obnoxious' & 'self-

centered' & 'drive nails

> into the coffins of good citizens.
>
> That's Calumnia, my friend, now what can I do? Tell the praetrix

to bring an

> action against herself? Complain to her that a civis on the ML is

being

> abused & have her punish herself with moderation? So if she is

free to insult me

> because as praetrix she doesn't have to worry about consequences,

that is an

> abuse of her power.
>
> Marca Hortensia Maior
> producer "Vox Romana" podcast
> _http://www.insulaumhttp://www.insulht_
> (http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/)
>
> P.S. As for Cornutus, he deserves more for abandoning his civic

duties as

> Diribitor & sacerdos Iano . Shameful & unRoman. You can hold his

hand.

>
>
>
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com

>
>
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>

Fl. Galerius M. Hortensia sal.

I do not feel that list moderation should be ended based on my experience
within Nova Roma for the last six years. I will not offer a lex at this time
but I strongly suggest that you bring the matter up on the CPT list to see if
any other Plebs wish to discuss it for (at least) 1 or 2 months. If there is
sufficent support for it among the Plebs, then the subject will be placed on
the NR ML for further discussion. Should there be sufficient support there,
then I will actively and vigorously discuss it with my colleagues to
formulate a lex calling for an end to list moderation. Let us both see how our
fellow Plebeians feel about this matter.

Vale.


M. Hortensia Fl. Aurelio sd;
are you going to offer a lex to the plebs to end list moderation?
vale
Maior, Roman to the bone



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Salvete omnes,

As part of Ludi Ceriales (12th-19th April) there'll be an art contest
not to miss!

Your mission is: make a visual artwork from theme: Ceres and/or Cerialia

All formats of visual arts are permitted and encouraged, as long as
you can submit your work or photo of it to the organisers.

The works should be sent to me privately by email
(c.curius@...). The deadline is at 14th of April.

As a prize for winner there is two NR coins, one old and one new, as
well as a place of honour at the Ceriales page at the NR website.
Best runner-ups also are rewarded with a place at the NR website.

Should you want to keep your work anonymous from public or choose not
to accept publication of your work at the NR website please indicate
that when submitting your work to me.

As an Aedile and as a person educated in visual arts high school I'll
be the judge of the competition.

Valete and Good Luck for all!


C. Curius Saturninus

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org





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>
> A. Tullia Scholastica C. Equitio Catoni L. Minervali quiritibus bonae
> voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Cato M. Hortensiae L. Minervalico T. Scholasticae quiritibusque SPD
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> I quite agree with my colleague; I think it best to refrain from
> continuing in this vein in this Forum. An educated discussion (such
> as that going on between Iulius Scaurus and Fabius Modianus) is one
> thing;
>
> ATS: Indeed. This is very interesting and informative.
>
>
> the ignorance about, and wholesale contempt for, Christianity
> displayed by Marca Hortensia and Lucius Minervalis is a very
> different one.
>
> I will not ask - or order - any citizen to stop posting on this
> subject or declare it "closed" as I am a fervent believer in
> individual freedom of expression; I do, however, again request that
> comments on the subject be made with some sense of civility and
> respect for the religious beliefs of our fellow-citizens.
>
> ATS: Nova Roma is not limited to those who follow one belief system, or a
> set of them. Open contempt for the religious or philosophical beliefs of
> others is not acceptable. We come here from many places, many beliefs, and
> many walks of life. We come to learn about Rome and other elements of
> classical antiquity, and to follow ancient virtues. We don¹t come here to
> ridicule religions, or religious beliefs. This has traditionally been
> included in the moderation edictum, and I hope that my colleague will accept
> that it must be included once again.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
> Valete.
>

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M. Hortensia Scholastiae Catonique spd;
in the future it might be wiser for Cato not to post on
the ML 'what Christians believe'. And not bid us remember the last
2,000 years of Christian rule.

Also it is unwise for 2 Christian praetors to start censoring the
polytheist majority about religion. Especially when the praetor
started the entire discussion.

I suggest you think about this.
M. Hortensia Maior, cultrix judaeaeque

> > ATS: Indeed. This is very interesting and informative.
> >
> >
> > the ignorance about, and wholesale contempt for, Christianity
> > displayed by Marca Hortensia and Lucius Minervalis is a very
> > different one.
> >
> > I will not ask - or order - any citizen to stop posting on this
> > subject or declare it "closed" as I am a fervent believer in
> > individual freedom of expression; I do, however, again request

that

> > comments on the subject be made with some sense of civility and
> > respect for the religious beliefs of our fellow-citizens.
> >
> > ATS: Nova Roma is not limited to those who follow one

belief system, or a

> > set of them. Open contempt for the religious or philosophical

beliefs of

> > others is not acceptable. We come here from many places, many

beliefs, and

> > many walks of life. We come to learn about Rome and other

elements of

> > classical antiquity, and to follow ancient virtues. We don¹t

come here to

> > ridicule religions, or religious beliefs. This has

traditionally been

> > included in the moderation edictum, and I hope that my colleague

will accept

> > that it must be included once again.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > Valete.
> >
>
>
>
>
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>

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Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
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> A. Tullia Scholastica Fl. Galerio Aureliano quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Fl. Galerius M. Hortensia sal.
>
> I do not feel that list moderation should be ended based on my experience
> within Nova Roma for the last six years.
>
> ATS: And you are completely right about that. Inter alia, at least three
> of our lists where moderation is absent or inattentive have been spammed
> repeatedly in the last few days. One spammer has finally been removed from
> one list, but any others remain. Secondly, there are those among us who lack
> a sense of propriety, and those who simply don¹t know that there are minors on
> this list, who don¹t know what is suitable for people of different ages and
> backgrounds. There are those with hot tempers who cannot control themselves,
> especially when a hot-button topic appears, as seems to be the case with the
> current religious discussion. It is not in the best interest of Nova Roma to
> present herself as a free-for-all brawl. People are driven away by this sort
> of thing, and often they are the very sort of people who would contribute the
> most to NR. We don¹t need the multi-part fights we used to have, or the
> hardcore porn, or anything of the sort.
>
>
> I will not offer a lex at this time
> but I strongly suggest that you bring the matter up on the CPT list to see if
> any other Plebs wish to discuss it for (at least) 1 or 2 months. If there is
> sufficent support for it among the Plebs, then the subject will be placed on
> the NR ML for further discussion. Should there be sufficient support there,
> then I will actively and vigorously discuss it with my colleagues to
> formulate a lex calling for an end to list moderation. Let us both see how
> our
> fellow Plebeians feel about this matter.
>
> ATS: If this ever comes to pass, NR will suffer. That would play into the
> hands of every spammer, every lunatic, every anger-management client. Normal
> people have no interest in sticking around for fight night at the forum.
> Normal people have no interest in some of the topics better handled on the BA,
> and don¹t want to be subjected to that in the name of learning about Nova Roma
> or Roma Antiqua or Hellas Palaia or the Lingua Latina. Driving people away,
> particularly good people away, is not in Nova Roma¹s interest. Presenting
> Nova Roma as a place where anything goes in the presence of hundreds of
> outsiders and a number of adolescents is not in Nova Roma¹s interest. Some
> cannot see this, but I can, and urge that no such measure be contemplated.
>
> Vale.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
> M. Hortensia Fl. Aurelio sd;
> are you going to offer a lex to the plebs to end list moderation?
> vale
> Maior, Roman to the bone
>
>
>

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Salvete Romans

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I have posted the most important section below as a reminder to what we
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> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Maiori quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.D.
>
>
>
> M. Hortensia A. Scholasticae salutem dicit;
> let's take this tiresome fight over to the Back Alley &
> we can settle it unless you are chicken.
>
> Whatever would make you (or anyone) think that I reside on the BA? Ladies
> avoid such places. I have no interest in a good many of the topics I have
> heard are discussed there. I do have respectable friends there who tell me of
> such things, but brawls and brothels don¹t appeal to me.
>
> Whatever would make you think that someone who does not share your
> aggressive nature, who does not share your hot temper, who does not like
> fighting is either chicken or undesirable in NR? If everyone here were as
> hotheaded and aggressive as you, NR might not have survived the first six
> weeks of her existence. We need people of calmer temperaments who don¹t allow
> their emotions to rule them. As a certain Latin text observes quoting
> Horatius, ira furor brevis est; animum rege.
>
>
> Otherwise shut up about me.
> And I will shut up about you. Cornutus doesn't need your defense. I
> wrote to Cornutus privately & he cursed me & the pontifices roundly
> & explicitly.
>
> Maybe he had good reason to do so. Whatever your gripes with him, he did
> not deserve the tongue-lashing you gave him. It¹s his decision to make, not
> yours. It would not surprise me if he responded in kind privately.
>
>
>
> you can meet me over at the BA & stop this now
>
> I would be happy to stop it. Just accept that you were out of line in
> your response. Of course, those who have been here long enough know your
> nature, but even they might be surprised at the ferocity of your response to a
> simple citizenship resignation. Maybe I shouldn¹t have approved Cornutus¹
> post.
>
> Maior
>
>
> Valete.
>

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>
> M. Hortensia A. Scholastica sd;
> you are the one throwing the dirt & venom Scholastica,

no 'lady' but a hypocrite. I wrote to Cornutus & you attack me,
berating me for your ejection from "Vox Romana" calling
me 'obnoxious & self-centered" "driving nails into the coffins of
good citizens" whereas I have not called you a single name.

You are filled with vitriol because Saturninus & I ejected you from
the podcast. And now every time I post you call me every single name
in the book.
and now threatening to moderate religious discussions.
You can take your censorship & stow it with your fake Victorian
values. You are no Roman.
M. Hortensia Maior

>
> So Scholastica utters the falsehood that I have banished her from
> my 'fiefdom,' meaning the podcast. I am 'obnoxious' & 'self-
> centered' & 'drive nails into the coffins of good citizens.
>
> That's Calumnia, my friend, now what can I do? Tell the praetrix

to

> bring an action against herself? Complain to her that a civis on

the

> ML is being abused & have her punish herself with moderation? So

if

> she is free to insult me because as praetrix she doesn't have to
> worry about consequences, that is an abuse of her power.
>
> Marca Hortensia Maior
> producer "Vox Romana" podcast
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/
>
> P.S. As for Cornutus, he deserves more for abandoning his civic
> duties as Diribitor & sacerdos Iano . Shameful & unRoman. You can
> hold his hand.
>
>
> > Oh Great Authority On All Things Traditionally Roman. Have you
> not spoken
> > of how lively (fiery) Roman politics are and how it is
> historically correct
> > for Romans to abuse one another publicly? Perhaps A. Tullia is
> speaking as a
> > private citizen and not ex officio. I would add that what she

is

> saying is
> > not detrimental to the public health but is merely a citizen
> speaking of
> > another citizen.
> >
> > I believe that abuse of power would be for her to speak her mind
> and opinion
> > but not allow you to respond by using some power of her office

to

> prevent
> > you from doing so.
> >
> > Besides, virtually everyone on the ML who is active has been
> obnoxious at
> > one time or another. I thought that you were obnoxious when you
> lambasted the
> > sacerdos Ianus when he resigned. Perhaps he did have an
> excellent reason for
> > his resignation.
> >
> > Did you email him privately and ask the reason? Did you attempt
> to persuade
> > him to stay as a citizen of NR and merely resign his office as
> diribitor?
> > Did you suggest that he take a leave of absence to be sure he

was

> doing the
> > right thing? Did you do anything besides publicly berate him?
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
>

> A. Tullia Scholastica Fl. Galerio Aureliano quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Marca Hortensia, it may well be that you should take a lesson from the
> recent political race between us. You chose to represent yourself to the
> Plebs as
> fiery, impulsive, and reactionary. Despite your obvious experience and
> ability, you did not win the election. You might want to learn from this and
> try
> to practice a bit more restraint.
>
> a curb, not a snaffle...fiery and impulsive, all right.
>
> MHM" "kindly use the subject line"
> FGA - No. I'll use whatever subject line I wish to use.
>
> MHM - "Now in NR the praetor's duty is to uphold the law, oversee & moderate
> the Main List, admonish those who are abusing others, punish them if need be
> & oversee trials."
>
> FGA - As a Tribune, it is also my job to uphold the Constitution of NR and
> the by-laws of the organization and to prevent violation of the Constitution
> &
> by-laws by a magistrate.. However, I have to look at the Law with an eye to
> perception and interpretation as well as justice in upholding both the
> letter and the spirit of the Law. You interpret the Lex Salicia Poenalis in
> a way
> that suggests that A. Tullia has damaged your dignity or reputation by
> making false and/or defamatory statement about you to a third party, i.e. the
> NR
> ML.
>
> Which I haven¹t. t¹alethes apseudes.
>
>
> Unfortunately, my powers do not allow me to take action against A. Tullia
> because she was not (in my opinion) acting as a magistrate when she made the
> alleged statements about you. There is no evidence that she made the
> statements ex officio as praetrix or abused you through her office.
>
> And I wasn¹t, nor did I abuse her.
>
>
> There is also
> the matter of your dignity and reputation.
> Personally, I believe that your reputation remains entirely intact by my
> perception.
>
> Hortensia has ensured the integrity of her reputation.
>
>
> Your dignity is a very personal concept and I will not speculate on
> whether it has been damaged since that it a very subjective point. However,
> you also have implied on one of your posts that A. Tullia lacks moral
> courage to take your discussion onto the BA. That represents an implication
> on
> your part that might also be conceived as being damaging to her reputation
> and
> dignitas. However, I cannot see that your remarks have damaged her
> reputation
> and once again dignity is a very personal and subjective point.
>
> I assure you that my dignity is intact, and that I do not lack moral
> courage. The problem from her perspective is that my morals are different
> from hers. If Hortensia wants to fight on the BA, however, she will have to
> find another opponent, one who resides there and is willing to fight on the
> playground after school. I don¹t reside there, or have a compelling desire to
> move to that part of town.
>
>
> Now, NR has two praetors and if you are dead set on pursuing this matter,
> you can take it to the other praetor. However, according to Roman tradition,
> no legal action could be made against a sitting magistrate during their term
> of office as this could result in an inability for the magistrate to perform
> their office. I am sure that you of all people would not want to act in a
> manner that is not traditional. If you wish to pursue this matter in the BA,
> that is entirely your decision and may the best Nova Roman win. If you
> choose
> to bring an action against A. Tullia for abuse of her office after her term
> is up, I would happily make a copy of all of the emails on this matter & seal
> the disk under a Notary Seal for your future edification & action
>
> You can appeal to the other praetor that you would like private mediation
> between you and A. Tullia to resolve this matter in the spirit of Pax et
> Concordia for the good health (Salus) of the NR Republic. I would certainly
> support such an action.
>
> Pax, Concordia, and Salus are good.
>
>
> MHM - P.S. As for Cornutus, he deserves more for abandoning his civic duties
> as Diribitor & sacerdos Iano . Shameful & unRoman. You can hold his hand.
>
> Unfortunately, we have had many people abandon their offices and their
> citizenship. Laenas did, Saturninus did (minus the Hortensian tongue lashing,
> if I recall correctly), others did. One plebeian aedile (I believe it was)
> never showed up to take the oath of office. Where was all of this indignation
> then? Now, Cornutus certainly did not act in the best interest of the Res
> Publica, but that was his decision, as it was Saturninus¹ decision to resign
> from an election post in order to run for aedilis, as it was Laenas¹ to resign
> the tribunate, etc., etc. UnRoman, maybe, but how Roman was it to drop not
> only my Latin class, but Avitus¹ as well? How many Romans dropped Latin
> class? Not many, I¹ll bet.
>
> FGA - As for Cornutus, I do not believe that he acted in the best interests
> of the Republic and you have my oath that if he ever puts himself forward for
> another sacred or public office under any nomen, I shall do everything in my
> power to prevent it. I am in total agreement with the Censor that it is
> shameful to resign from an office without having a serious personal or family
> situation that would require such an action. I count on the current Censores
> to stamp Cornutus' legal name upon their memories (since we cannot keep a
> legal record of it) so that should he ever try to obtain a position of
> responsibility, the citizenry can be reminded about it.
>
> This is unfortunate, but he is hardly alone in resigning either civil or
> religious office. Too many resign...and why? Too few run for the lower
> offices or for sodality offices. For a while we even had trouble getting
> candidates for the consulate last year, as you no doubt recall. We need those
> who are willing to do the work involved, who stick with it.
>
> Be well.
>

Valete.


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Fl. Galerius M. Hortensia et A. Tullia sal.

Respectfully, I would suggest that there be an end to this thread; Cornutus
has resigned and been verbally beaten over the head & shoulders by both
Plebeians & Patricians, citizens & magistrates. We have lost magistrates and
sacerdoes before & we will likely do again in the future. It is not well done to
continue this sort of behavior on the ML especially during a period when we
are attempting to persuade citizens to pay the voluntary annual tax.

If both of you wish to continue your little diversion, I recommend that you
do it privately off-line. You are both creating a boil on the corpus of our
Republic & I do not wish to see it lanced publicly--very, very icky!
Damaging to the public health and it could become an abcess--very, very, VERY icky!
Reminds me of an abcess I had on my . . . oh, never mind . . . but it was
painful, icky, and gross. Stop please!

Vale.



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>
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Maiori quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.D.
>
>
>
>> >
>> > M. Hortensia A. Scholastica sd;
>> > you are the one throwing the dirt & venom Scholastica,
>
> Nonsense.
>
>
> no 'lady' but a hypocrite.
>
>
> More nonsense.
>
> I wrote to Cornutus & you attack me,
> berating me for your ejection from "Vox Romana" calling
> me 'obnoxious & self-centered" "driving nails into the coffins of
> good citizens" whereas I have not called you a single name.
>
> It was FVG who referred to you as obnoxious. As for my ejection from the
> podcast, frankly, I don¹t give a damn.
>
>
> You are filled with vitriol because Saturninus & I ejected you from
> the podcast.
>
> This is ridiculous. Like Saturninus, you see things only through your own
> hotheaded eyes; you ascribe to me your own feelings. In reality, I don¹t have
> those feelings. I have no vitriol, to say nothing of being filled with it.
> Once more, with feeling, I don¹t care about leaving the podcast. I would have
> done so voluntarily sooner or later as it is so difficult to work with the
> pair of you...even if I had the time, which I don¹t.
>
> And now every time I post you call me every single name
> in the book.
>
> More nonsense.
>
> and now threatening to moderate religious discussions.
>
> I defended you when you were being insulted for practicing more than one
> faith. Questioning the historicity of known historical figures is folly, and
> insulting one religious tradition or another have been forbidden by the
> moderation edictum for years, but you cannot accept any control on your
> behavior. We have to have rules for those who cannot, or will not, control
> themselves. Sophrosyne kalon. Kalon hesychia.
>
> You can take your censorship & stow it with your fake Victorian
> values.
>
> Baloney.
>
> You are no Roman.
>
> I¹m American...and so are you. We are both Roman citizens, however.
>
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>> >
>> > So Scholastica utters the falsehood that I have banished her from
>> > my 'fiefdom,' meaning the podcast.
>
> It could only have been you or Saturninus, or both acting in concert...but
> I don¹t care.
>
>> > {from Fl. Galerius Aurelianus¹ post, not mine...}
>> >
>>> > > Oh Great Authority On All Things Traditionally Roman. Have you
>> > not spoken
>>> > > of how lively (fiery) Roman politics are and how it is
>> > historically correct
>>> > > for Romans to abuse one another publicly? Perhaps A. Tullia is
>> > speaking as a
>>> > > private citizen and not ex officio. I would add that what she
> is
>> > saying is
>>> > > not detrimental to the public health but is merely a citizen
>> > speaking of
>>> > > another citizen.
>>> > >
>>> > > I believe that abuse of power would be for her to speak her mind
>> > and opinion
>>> > > but not allow you to respond by using some power of her office
> to
>> > prevent
>>> > > you from doing so.
>>> > >
>>> > > Besides, virtually everyone on the ML who is active has been
>> > obnoxious at
>>> > > one time or another. I thought that you were obnoxious when you
>> > lambasted the
>>> > > sacerdos Ianus when he resigned. Perhaps he did have an
>> > excellent reason for
>>> > > his resignation.
>>> > >
>>> > > Did you email him privately and ask the reason? Did you attempt
>> > to persuade
>>> > > him to stay as a citizen of NR and merely resign his office as
>> > diribitor?
>>> > > Did you suggest that he take a leave of absence to be sure he
> was
>> > doing the
>>> > > right thing? Did you do anything besides publicly berate him?
>>> > >
>>> > > Vale.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
> > **************************************

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Salve Lucius

I fully agree with you, word by word.

Vale optime.
LVCIVS QVIRINVS VESTA


--- Lucius Rutilius Minervalis <pjtuloup@...> ha
scritto:

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I can't understand why we are talking here, in
> Nova-Roma, about Jesus,
> a character who never existed, and Gospels, books
> made by forgers,
> without historic interest nor literary value,
> devoted to an intolerant
> and criminal sect who destroyed European
> civilization.
>
> Valete,
>
> Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
> Celticae Legatus

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>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Fl. Galerio Aureliano quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
>
> Fl. Galerius M. Hortensia et A. Tullia sal.
>
> Respectfully, I would suggest that there be an end to this thread; Cornutus
> has resigned and been verbally beaten over the head & shoulders by both
> Plebeians & Patricians, citizens & magistrates. We have lost magistrates and
> sacerdoes before & we will likely do again in the future.
>
> I agree. It¹s an unfortunate fact of life, though this one has taken a
> drubbing far out of proportion to the supposed offense.
>
>
> It is not well done to
> continue this sort of behavior on the ML especially during a period when we
> are attempting to persuade citizens to pay the voluntary annual tax.
>
>
> There are a great many factors involved there above and beyond whether
> someone resigns, and is then abused, only to have someone pointing out the
> impropriety of said assault abused as well.
>
> If both of you wish to continue your little diversion, I recommend that you
> do it privately off-line. You are both creating a boil on the corpus of our
> Republic & I do not wish to see it lanced publicly--very, very icky!
> Damaging to the public health and it could become an abcess--very, very, VERY
> icky!
> Reminds me of an abcess I had on my . . . oh, never mind . . . but it was
> painful, icky, and gross. Stop please!
>
>
> Libenter, libentius, libentissime. Gladly, more gladly, and most gladly.
> It is Maior, not I, who is continuing this. I would be delighted for it to be
> over. Publicly and privately. Maior puts her own thoughts and feelings into
> me (and probably others); I believe that that is called projection. In any
> case, she¹s wrong; I have no vitriol about her or the podcast; I¹m delighted
> to be freed from that obligation. Now, the podcast is a wonderful idea, and a
> fine way of spreading information about NR and about Latin to the wider world,
> but there is something lacking in the execution of late, and the increasing
> difficulty of dealing with the pair of them made it just about impossible for
> me to continue. I¹m relieved to be away from it, so I guess that that is what
> she terms vitriol.
>
> Now if Cornutus had resigned while she was otherwise occupied, the whole
> thing might have taken place quietly and peacefully, as it should have, rather
> than produced a burst of rage. Unfortunately, that was not the case.
>
> Hope your abscess is better.
>
> Vale.
>

Vale, et valete.



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Nova-Roma] Re: a.d. XI Kal. Apr.

T. Flavius Aquila Lucius Rutilius Minervalis S.P.D.

Salve Minervalis,

I fully understand your point of view .

I was also quite astonished as a new citizen , to see such an
extensive discussion on this issue on the ML of Nova Roma.

dis iuvantibus semper vale cum tuis

Vale bene
Titus Flavius Aquila
CIVIS PROVINCIAE GERMANIAE







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Quirinus <ostiaaterni@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve Lucius
>
> I fully agree with you, word by word.
>
> Vale optime.
> LVCIVS QVIRINVS VESTA
>
>
> --- Lucius Rutilius Minervalis <pjtuloup@...> ha
> scritto:
>
> > Salvete Omnes,
> >
> > I can't understand why we are talking here, in
> > Nova-Roma, about Jesus,
> > a character who never existed, and Gospels, books
> > made by forgers,
> > without historic interest nor literary value,
> > devoted to an intolerant
> > and criminal sect who destroyed European
> > civilization.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
> > Celticae Legatus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Cato M. Hortensiae sal.

Maior, I will say two things:

1. the idea of religious freedom - which allows you yourself to
create the interesting, if theologically nonsensical and
philosophically untenable, amalgam of salad-bar religion you have
patched together for yourself - includes with it the idea that anyone
is free to express their religious beliefs, including "what
Christians believe". I have never asked anyone to believe what
Christians believe, but if a question arises about what Christianity
is or what it believes, I will answer.

2. the topic was begun when Livius Triarius posted his comment about
what he believed were the origins of the Palm Sunday practices of the
Christian Church.


I personally don't care that you are intellectually incapable of
following any kind of logical progression of thought in a discussion;
but for the sake of my co-religionists - and our fellow-citizens - I
would ask that you try to be a little less obnoxious in the
presentation of the patch-work quilt of idiocy you regularly display
in the place of logic, coherence, and educated thought.

Try, maybe for the first time ever, to focus your obviously slender
ability to reason on a single point, and you may find that you can
handle that one concept to the end that a post from you might
finally, actually be comprehensible. This - as Martha Stewart would
say - would be a Very Good Thing.

Vale,

Cato

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est postridie Kalendas Aprilis; haec dies fastus aterque est.

"When the night is past, and the sky is just beginning
To redden, and the birds, wet with dew, are singing,
And the traveller who's been awake all night, puts down
His half-burnt torch, and the farmer's off to his usual labours,
The Pleiades will start to lighten their father's shoulders,
They who are said to be seven, but usually are six:
Because it's true that six lay in the loving clasp of gods
(Since they say that Asterope slept with Mars:
Alcyone, and you, lovely Celaeno, with Neptune:
Maia, Electra, and Taygete with Jupiter),
While the seventh, Merope, married you, Sisyphus, a mortal,
And repents of it, and, alone of the sisters, hides from shame:
Or because Electra couldn't bear to watch Troy's destruction,
And so her face now is covered by her hands." - Ovid, Fasti IV

"And so soon as he had cut off the members with flint and cast them
from the land into the surging sea, they were swept away over the main
a long time: and a white foam spread around them from the immortal
flesh, and in it there grew a maiden...and came forth an awful and
lovely goddess, and grass grew up about her beneath her shapely feet.
Her gods and men call Aphrodite...because she grew amid the foam." -
Hesiod, Theogony, 185 -200

"At the wedding, Eris (Strife) threw a golden apple into the midst of
the guests. The apple bore the inscription 'for the fairest' a quarrel
arose among Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite, with each goddess claiming
the apple for herself. Eventually, they agreed to make Paris, a Trojan
prince, arbiter of their dispute. All three goddesses offered Paris
bribes; Aphrodite promised the most beautiful woman on Earth as his
wife--this was Helen, wife of Menelaus, ruler of Sparta. Paris awarded
the apple to Aphrodite and proceeded to abduct Helen." - Fritz Graf,
"Greek Mythology: An Introduction" pp.59-60

The derivation of the name of the month of Aprilis is uncertain. The
traditional etymology from the Latin aperire, "to open," in allusion
to its being the season when trees and flowers begin to "open." Since
all the Roman months were named in honour of divinities, and as April
was sacred to Venus, the Festum Veneris et Fortunae Virilis being held
on the first day, it has been suggested that Aprilis was originally
her month Aphrilis, from her Greek name Aphrodite, or from the
Etruscan name Apru.

The poet Hesiod said that Aphrodite was born from sea-foam. Homer, on
the other hand, said that she was the daughter of Zeus and Dione.

When the Trojan prince Paris was asked to judge which of three
Olympian goddesses was the most beautiful, he chose Aphrodite over
Hera and Athena. The latter two had hoped to bribe him with power and
victory in battle, but Aphrodite offered the love of the most
beautiful woman in the world --- Helen of Sparta, who became infamous
as Helen of Troy when Paris subsequently eloped with her. In the
ensuing Trojan War, Hera and Athena were implacable enemies of Troy
while Aphrodite was loyal to Paris and the Trojans.

Aphrodite was very generous in using her powers to help her followers.
She helped Meilanion gain Atalanta for his wife by giving him the
golden apples that enabled him to distract and overtake Atalanta in a
foot race. She had her son Eros strike Medea with one of his arrows so
that she would fall in love with Jason of the Argonauts, which
resulted in his overcoming her father Aeetes and gaining the Golden
Fleece. She also cared for the orphaned daughters of Panderos and
arranged for their marriages.

In other instances, Aphrodite avenged other slights by causing the
perpetrator to experience misfortune in the areas of love or beauty.
After being insulted by six of Poseidon's sons, she struck them mad so
that they gang-raped their mother. She caused Aegus to be childless
until he introduced her worship in Athens. When the women of
Astypalaea angered her by claiming to be more beautiful than she, she
made them grow cow horns. Moo.

Perhaps the most celebrated of Aphrodite's affairs was her
relationship with Ares, the god of war. Although such a union may at
first seem incongruous, it is actually a match of two divinities of
the same nature. Aphrodite, the beautiful maiden who attracts the
attention of the most powerful of the gods only to decline him,
refuses to be controlled by her marriage to Hephaestus--she will not
be denied freedom in the area of her dominion. Likewise Ares, an
alternately rageful and cowardly god, can never be predicted in his
actions.

Aphrodite's rebellious nature is reinforced by the creation of many
children by her liason with Ares. In addition, Phobos and Deimos,
Anteros, and Harmonia were even passed off as the offspring of
Hephaestus.

The ancient travel writer Pausanias describes a number of statues of
Aphrodite dressed for battle, many of them in Sparta. Given the manner
in which the militaristic Spartans raised their girls, it is not
surprising that they conceived of a female goddess in military attire.
She also would have donned armaments to defend cities, such as
Corinth, who adopted her as their patroness. This is not to say that
she was a war goddess, although some have seen her as such and find
significance in her pairing with the war god Ares in mythology and
worship.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Hesiod, Graf, Aphrodite (http://www.mythweb.com/gods/
Aphrodite.html) and
(http://www.arthistory.sbc.edu/imageswomen/papers/lombardiaphrodite/
aphrodite.ht\ml)

A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:

> Classicists don't lie. Period.
> Misinterpret, maybe, but lie, no.

Salve, Aula Tullia Scholastica.

I cannot for one second, from any point of view, imagine this statement
to be true. If you sincerely believe it, please consider basic human
nature and the lack of divinity in even most classicists.

If your personal definition of classicist includes "doesn't lie" and
puts any classicist who ever lied in the category "not a true
classicist", please consider that none of the dictionaries I have ever
seen use that particular definition.

This kind of statement, whether you truly believe it yourself or not,
will not in any way help you, your public image or your friends. Anyone
willing to put themselves and/or their "clique" on that kind of pedestal
is liable not to receive too much positive attention from others.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

avete omnes

as some of you may know, I'm trying to make a list of the Roman monuments
scattered in what once was the Roman Empire (Signa Romanorum Project). After
some months I'm now able to make a list of mausoleums.
For the Signa Romanorum list only those tombs having at least one measure
greater then the dimensions of a top famous monument were included. These
dimensions being the ones of Cecilia Metella's tomb on the ancient Appian
Way, having a height of the drum (hopefully it's called so in English ;-) of
11 meters and a diameter of 29,50 mt. Others tomb are called generally
sepulchers. Of course this was made only to avoid thousands of tombs to be
searched and included in the list.

Here the list:

Aquileia (Aquileia) of Augustean age
Formia (Formiae) Cicerone's
Gaeta (Caieta) L. Munatius Planco's
Roma, Gordiani's on the Via Praenestina
Roma, Hadrian's (Castel Sant'Angelo)
Roma, Augustus
Roma, Casal Rotondo on the Appian Way
Roma, Caius Cestius' (Pyramid) on the Via Ostiensis
Roma, Cecilia Metella's on the Appian Way
Roma, Helen's on the Via Latina

Roma, Lucilius Peto's on the Via Salaria
Roma, "Torrione" on the Via Praenestina
Roma, Alexandrus Severus' ("Monte del grano") on the Via Tusculana
Roma, Tomba Celsa on the Flaminian Way
Sarsina, Rufus'
Spalatus, Diocletian's
St. Remy (Glanum) , Iulii
Tivoli (Tibur), Plautii on the Via Tiburtina

As happened earlier with the other SR monuments (as amphitheaters, bridges,
arches, circus/hyppodromes/stadiums and gates) any help from you is more
than welcomed to enlist other places or have pictures with a good
resolution.

thanks


valete
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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

"The Pleiades will start to lighten their father's shoulders,
They who are said to be seven, but usually are six:
Because it's true that six lay in the loving clasp of gods...
While the seventh, Merope, married you, Sisyphus, a mortal,
And repents of it, and, alone of the sisters, hides from shame" -
Ovid, Fasti 4.169

"The Pleiades are called seven in number, but only six can be seen.
This reason has been advanced, that of the seven, six mated with
immortals (three with Jove, two with Neptunus, and one with Mars);
the seventh was said to have been the wife of Sisyphus ... Merope,
wed to Sisyphus, bore Glaucus, who, as many say, was the father of
Bellerophon. On account of her other sisters she was placed among the
constellations, but because she married a mortal, her star is dim." -
Hyginus, Astronomica 2.21

"Atlas by Pleione or an Oceanitide had twelve daughters...Of these,
they say Electra does not appear, because of the death of Dardanus
and the loss of Troy. Others think that Merope appears to blush
because she had a mortal as husband, though the others had gods.
Driven from the band of her sisters because of this, she wears her
hair long in grief, and is called a comet, or 'longodes' because she
trails out for a long distance, or 'xiphias' because she shows the
shape of a sword-point. This star, too, portends grief." - Hyginus,
Fabulae 192

Both the quote from Ovid for today and the wranglings in this Forum
with Marca Hortensia Maior have brought to mind the tale of Sisyphus.


Sisyphus was the sinner condemned in Tartarus to an eternity of
rolling a boulder uphill then watching it roll back down again.

Sisyphus was founder and king of Corinth, or Ephyra as it was called
in those days. He was notorious as the most cunning knave on earth.
His greatest triumph came at the end of his life, when the god Pluto
came to claim him personally for the kingdom of the dead. Pluto had
brought along a pair of handcuffs, a comparative novelty, and
Sisyphus expressed such an interest that Pluto was persuaded to
demonstrate their use - on himself. And so it came about that the
Lord of the Underworld was kept locked up in a closet at Sisyphus's
house for several days, a circumstance which put the great chain of
being seriously out of whack. Nobody could die. A soldier might be
chopped to bits in battle and still show up at camp for dinner.
Finally, Pluto was released by the god Mars (who was obviously
unhappy that his warlike activities resulted in no death at all) and
Sisyphus was ordered summarily to report to the Underworld for his
eternal assignment. But the wily one had another trick up his sleeve.

He simply told his wife not to bury him - and then he complained to
Proserpine, Queen of the Dead, that he had not been accorded the
proper funeral honors. What's more, as an unburied corpse he had no
business on the far side of the river Styx at all - his wife hadn't
placed a coin under his tongue to secure passage with Charon the
ferryman. Surely her highness could see that Sisyphus must be given
leave to journey back topside and put things right.

Kindly Proserpine assented, and Sisyphus made his way back to the
sunshine, where he promptly forgot all about funerals and such drab
affairs and lived on in dissipation for another good stretch of time.
But even this paramount trickster could only postpone the inevitable.
Eventually he was hauled back down to Hades by Mercury on the orders
of Iuppiter, where his indiscretions caught up with him. For a crime
against the gods - the specifics of which are variously reported - he
was condemned to an eternity at hard labor. And frustrating labor at
that. For his assignment was to roll a great boulder to the top of a
hill. Only every time Sisyphus, by the greatest of exertion and toil,
attained the summit, the thing rolled back down again.

Sort of like arguing with Maior :-)

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Ovid, Hyginus, www.mythweb.net

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Gaio Equitio Catoni salutem dicit

I found the below text at the following website:
http://www.friesian.com/existent.htm

-----

The starkness and hopelessness of this problem is portrayed in an essay,
"The Myth of Sisyphus" (1942), by another great French Existentialist, *Albert
Camus* (1913-1960). In Greek mythology, Sisyphus, who had once deceived the
gods and cheated death, was condemned for eternity to roll a stone up a
hill. Every time he was about to complete his task, the stone would roll
free back down to the bottom of the hill. Sisyphus would then have to start
over again, even though the same thing would just happen again. Thus, the
punishment of Sisyphus *is* a punishment just because it is an endless
exercise in futility. Sisyphus is stuck in an eternally pointless task. Now,
if the world and everything in it are also pointless, the lesson is that the
task of Sisyphus is *identical* to every thing that we will ever be doing in
life. We are no different from Sisyphus; and if his punishment makes the
afterlife a hell for him, we are already living in that hell.

Presumably, Sisyphus is unable to escape his condition through suicide. So
if we can, why not? Arguably, there is no reason why not. But suicide is not
the typical Existentialist answer. What can Sisyphus do to make his life
endurable? Well, he can just *decide* that it is meaningful. The value and
purpose that objectively don't exist in the world can be restored by an *act
of will*. Again, this is what has struck people as liberating about
Existentialism. To live one's life, one must exercise the freedom to create
a life. Just going along with conventional values and forgetting about the
absurdity of the world is not *authentic*. Authenticity is to exercise one's
free will and to choose the activities and goals that will be meaningful for
one's self. With this approach, even Sisyphus can be engaged and satisfied
with what he is doing.
-----

Even arguing with Marca Hortensia Maior CAN be meaningful if one makes the
decision that it will be.

I find it interesting, humorous, and sad at the same time that the way
conflict is usually addressed in Nova Roma is through the old tradition of
Ad Hominem, Ad Hominem, and more Ad Hominem. Everyone is guilty of this
practice, but I am not certain whether or not it ads to our dignity as a
community.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 4/2/07, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
>
> OSD C. Equitius Cato
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> "The Pleiades will start to lighten their father's shoulders,
> They who are said to be seven, but usually are six:
> Because it's true that six lay in the loving clasp of gods...
> While the seventh, Merope, married you, Sisyphus, a mortal,
> And repents of it, and, alone of the sisters, hides from shame" -
> Ovid, Fasti 4.169
>
> "The Pleiades are called seven in number, but only six can be seen.
> This reason has been advanced, that of the seven, six mated with
> immortals (three with Jove, two with Neptunus, and one with Mars);
> the seventh was said to have been the wife of Sisyphus ... Merope,
> wed to Sisyphus, bore Glaucus, who, as many say, was the father of
> Bellerophon. On account of her other sisters she was placed among the
> constellations, but because she married a mortal, her star is dim." -
> Hyginus, Astronomica 2.21
>
> "Atlas by Pleione or an Oceanitide had twelve daughters...Of these,
> they say Electra does not appear, because of the death of Dardanus
> and the loss of Troy. Others think that Merope appears to blush
> because she had a mortal as husband, though the others had gods.
> Driven from the band of her sisters because of this, she wears her
> hair long in grief, and is called a comet, or 'longodes' because she
> trails out for a long distance, or 'xiphias' because she shows the
> shape of a sword-point. This star, too, portends grief." - Hyginus,
> Fabulae 192
>
> Both the quote from Ovid for today and the wranglings in this Forum
> with Marca Hortensia Maior have brought to mind the tale of Sisyphus.
>
> Sisyphus was the sinner condemned in Tartarus to an eternity of
> rolling a boulder uphill then watching it roll back down again.
>
> Sisyphus was founder and king of Corinth, or Ephyra as it was called
> in those days. He was notorious as the most cunning knave on earth.
> His greatest triumph came at the end of his life, when the god Pluto
> came to claim him personally for the kingdom of the dead. Pluto had
> brought along a pair of handcuffs, a comparative novelty, and
> Sisyphus expressed such an interest that Pluto was persuaded to
> demonstrate their use - on himself. And so it came about that the
> Lord of the Underworld was kept locked up in a closet at Sisyphus's
> house for several days, a circumstance which put the great chain of
> being seriously out of whack. Nobody could die. A soldier might be
> chopped to bits in battle and still show up at camp for dinner.
> Finally, Pluto was released by the god Mars (who was obviously
> unhappy that his warlike activities resulted in no death at all) and
> Sisyphus was ordered summarily to report to the Underworld for his
> eternal assignment. But the wily one had another trick up his sleeve.
>
> He simply told his wife not to bury him - and then he complained to
> Proserpine, Queen of the Dead, that he had not been accorded the
> proper funeral honors. What's more, as an unburied corpse he had no
> business on the far side of the river Styx at all - his wife hadn't
> placed a coin under his tongue to secure passage with Charon the
> ferryman. Surely her highness could see that Sisyphus must be given
> leave to journey back topside and put things right.
>
> Kindly Proserpine assented, and Sisyphus made his way back to the
> sunshine, where he promptly forgot all about funerals and such drab
> affairs and lived on in dissipation for another good stretch of time.
> But even this paramount trickster could only postpone the inevitable.
> Eventually he was hauled back down to Hades by Mercury on the orders
> of Iuppiter, where his indiscretions caught up with him. For a crime
> against the gods - the specifics of which are variously reported - he
> was condemned to an eternity at hard labor. And frustrating labor at
> that. For his assignment was to roll a great boulder to the top of a
> hill. Only every time Sisyphus, by the greatest of exertion and toil,
> attained the summit, the thing rolled back down again.
>
> Sort of like arguing with Maior :-)
>
> Valete bene!
>
> Cato
>
> SOURCES
>
> Ovid, Hyginus, www.mythweb.net
>


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Salvete Romans

FYI

Valete

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Les Skeates, Mike Ruggeri, Richard C. Griffiths, Rochelle Altman,
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Okay ... this one's been kicking around for weeks and really
isn't news as far as I can tell, but 'cavemen' apparently
preferred full-figured 'cavewomen':

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/03/27/fullfigured_hum.html<http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/03/27/fullfigured_hum.html>

Last week we had something about early hominids not liking
hairy babies ... this article seems to question the timeline:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17542627/site/newsweek/<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17542627/site/newsweek/>

Technology is causing a rethink of the implications of homo
rudolfensis:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17873752/<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17873752/>

On the web: Blombos Cave:

http://www.svf.uib.no/sfu/blombos/<http://www.svf.uib.no/sfu/blombos/>
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AFRICA
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Remains of a 'lost' Islamic kingdom in Ethiopia?:

http://tinyurl.com/yv957f<http://tinyurl.com/yv957f> (IOL)
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ANCIENT NEAR EAST AND EGYPT
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Latest from KV-63:

http://www.kv-63.com/<http://www.kv-63.com/>

More inscriptions from Jiroft:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=4160§ionid=351020105<http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=4160§ionid=351020105>

Something lost in translation here, I think ... remains of
'Raidan Temple' have been found in Yemen:

http://www.sabanews.net/view.php?scope=f9129&dr=&ir=&id=128691<http://www.sabanews.net/view.php?scope=f9129&dr=&ir=&id=128691>

The latest how-the-pyramids-were-built theory (although I think
we've heard this one before, no?):

http://uktv.co.uk/index.cfm/uktv/History.news/aid/585544<http://uktv.co.uk/index.cfm/uktv/History.news/aid/585544>
http://tinyurl.com/2dmwvw<http://tinyurl.com/2dmwvw> (Independent)
http://tinyurl.com/2dgzqp<http://tinyurl.com/2dgzqp> (Reuters via Yahoo)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17873984/<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17873984/>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070331/ap_on_sc/france_pyramid_theory_8<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070331/ap_on_sc/france_pyramid_theory_8>

Remains of a First Temple wall in the City of David:

http://tinyurl.com/228u7j<http://tinyurl.com/228u7j> (JPost)

.. while we get new accusations in the Temple Mount saga:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=3926§ionid=3510101<http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=3926§ionid=3510101>

More coverage of the 'standoff' in Gurna:

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=504302007<http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=504302007>

More coverage of that Second Temple village in Jerusalem find:

http://tinyurl.com/2wds3m<http://tinyurl.com/2wds3m> (AFP via Yahoo)
http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070331-062931-5245r<http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070331-062931-5245r>

More coverage of those funerary flowers from Luxor:

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/838/he2.htm<http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/838/he2.htm>

Some 'Jesus Tomb' addenda:

http://www.hebrewyeshua.com/articles/yeshua_tomb.html<http://www.hebrewyeshua.com/articles/yeshua_tomb.html>

Egyptology News Blog:

http://egyptology.blogspot.com/<http://egyptology.blogspot.com/>

Egyptology Blog:

http://www.egyptologyblog.co.uk/<http://www.egyptologyblog.co.uk/>

Dr Leen Ritmeyer's Blog:

http://blog.ritmeyer.com/<http://blog.ritmeyer.com/>

Paleojudaica:

http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/<http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/>

Persepolis Fortification Archives:

http://persepolistablets.blogspot.com/<http://persepolistablets.blogspot.com/>

Archaeologist at Large:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/ArchaeologyinEgypt/<http://spaces.msn.com/members/ArchaeologyinEgypt/>
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ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)
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Nice feature on that Etruscan chariot at the Met (which has been
and will be in the news more I suspect):

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/arts/design/29char.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/arts/design/29char.html>

The search for Ithaka continues:

http://tinyurl.com/3yk2ax<http://tinyurl.com/3yk2ax> (IHT)
http://tinyurl.com/2cv3g4<http://tinyurl.com/2cv3g4> (USA Today)
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070326/greece_finding_ithaca.html?.v=1<http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070326/greece_finding_ithaca.html?.v=1>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070327/ap_on_sc/greece_finding_ithaca_4<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070327/ap_on_sc/greece_finding_ithaca_4>
http://tinyurl.com/2dhxs8<http://tinyurl.com/2dhxs8> (Kathimerini)
http://www.centredaily.com/225/story/51612.html<http://www.centredaily.com/225/story/51612.html>
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17804766/<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17804766/>

Roman remains in Cotswald:

http://tinyurl.com/2vwy4u<http://tinyurl.com/2vwy4u> (Journal)

More Rome-India links:

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=229176<http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=229176>
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/008200703291653.htm<http://www.hinducom/thehindu/holnus/008200703291653.htm>
http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/87947.asp<http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/87947.asp>

A section of the Eridanos river bed is on display:

http://tinyurl.com/2me3rx<http://tinyurl.com/2me3rx> (ANA)

Hmmm ... a claim that Classical languages actually hurt modern
language learning:

http://tinyurl.com/2ny7md<http://tinyurl.com/2ny7md> (Telegraph)

.. hot on the heels of the news that Ancient History is
being dropped from A-Levels:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article1593767.ece<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article1593767.ece>
http://education.independent.co.uk/news/article2407984.ece<http://education.independent.co.uk/news/article2407984.ece>
http://education.guardian.co.uk/alevels/story/0,,2046860,00.html<http://education.guardian.co.uk/alevels/story/0,,2046860,00.html>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6511747.stm<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6511747.stm>

The perfume-from-Cyprus story continues to get coverage:

http://www.physorg.com/news94190703.html<http://www.physorg.com/news94190703.html>
http://tinyurl.com/2y646h<http://tinyurl.com/2y646h> (USA Today)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070326/ap_on_sc/ancient_perfume_2<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070326/ap_on_sc/ancient_perfume_2>
http://tinyurl.com/2w9ddv<http://tinyurl.com/2w9ddv> (NG)
http://www.centredaily.com/220/story/54780.html<http://www.centredaily.com/220/story/54780.html>
(the anachronistic headline is obviously a pun attempt)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17802536/<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17802536/>

What Jo-Ann Shelton is up to:

http://www.hamilton.edu/applications/calendar/detail.cfm?ID=20666<http://www.hamilton.edu/applications/calendar/detail.cfm?ID=20666>

What Richard Thomas is up to:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4012818a4501.html<http://www.stuff.co.nz/4012818a4501.html>

More details on that Heinrich Schliemann film:

http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/3591/<http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/3591/>

Review of Peter Parsons, *City of the Sharp Nosed Fish*:

http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,2046517,00.html<http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,2046517,00.html>

Review of Peter Green, *The Hellenistic Age*:

http://tinyurl.com/2z42bv<http://tinyurl.com/2z42bv> (WPost)

Review of Pagels and King, *Reading Judas: The Gospel of
Judas and the Shaping of Christianity*:

http://tinyurl.com/33vkcv<http://tinyurl.com/33vkcv> (WPost)

.. cf. this reviewish thing about Judas revisionism:

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/features/article2391224.ece<http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/features/article2391224.ece>

Recent reviews from BMCR:

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/recent.html<http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/recent.html>

Recent reviews from Scholia:

http://www.classics.und.ac.za/reviews/2007.htm<http://www.classics.und.acza/reviews/2007.htm>

Visit our blog:

http://www.atrium-media.com/rogueclassicism<http://www.atrium-media.com/rogueclassicism>

Blegen Library News:

http://blegen.blogspot.com/<http://blegen.blogspot.com/>

Mediterranean Archaeology:

http://medarch.blogspot.com/<http://medarch.blogspot.com/>
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EUROPE AND THE UK (+ Ireland)
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Medieval burial under a driveway in Wiltshire:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wiltshire/6504061.stm<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wiltshire/6504061.stm>

Evidence for early 'science' in Medieval York:

http://tinyurl.com/2za3nc<http://tinyurl.com/2za3nc> (Press)

The latest in the HMS Sussex saga:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2042722,00.html<http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2042722,00.html>

.. and the Stonehenge visitor centre saga:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wiltshire/6507963.stm<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wiltshire/6507963.stm>

Archaeology in Europe Blog:

http://www.archaeology.eu.com/weblog/index.html<http://www.archaeology.eucom/weblog/index.html>
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ASIA AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC
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Interesting Neolithic burial from South Korea:

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200703/200703280025.html<http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200703/200703280025.html>

Some 800 b.p. tombs from China's Hebei province:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-03/30/content_5917327.htm<http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-03/30/content_5917327.htm>

I think we've had this before ... pollen is being used to trace
the origins of Qin's army:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6494851.stm<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6494851.stm>

New Zealand Archaeology eNews:

http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm<http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm>
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NORTH AMERICA
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Excavating Fort Gibson:

http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=123716<http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=123716>

.. while no excavation will be done at a site where a Clovis
point was found:

http://www.malibutimes.com/articles/2007/03/28/news/news5.txt<http://www.malibutimes.com/articles/2007/03/28/news/news5.txt>

A nautical dimension to the Underground Railroad?:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007703270452<http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007703270452>
http://www.fox28.com/News/index.php?ID=15830<http://www.fox28.com/News/index.php?ID=15830>

OpEd piece on conserving Native American artifacts and sites:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/31/opinion/31moe.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/31/opinion/31moe.html>

Native burial site at the Madison Landing building project:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/01ctmain.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/01ctmain.html>

Early Charleston furniture:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/arts/30anti.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/arts/30anti.html>
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CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA
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'Head squishing' at El Trigal:

http://www.livescience.com/history/070328_cranial_squish.html<http://www.livescience.com/history/070328_cranial_squish.html>

Crystal skull stuff:

http://www.thestar.com/Travel/article/196456<http://www.thestar.com/Travel/article/196456>

Mexico has interesting plans to improve access to inaccessible
sites:

http://tinyurl.com/256q9k<http://tinyurl.com/256q9k> (AP via Yahoo)
http://tinyurl.com/28h72w<http://tinyurl.com/28h72w> (ABC)

Doomsday in 2012, according to the Maya calendar?:

http://tinyurl.com/2hlrxy<http://tinyurl.com/2hlrxy> (USA Today)

What dung mites tell us about the rise and fall of the Inca:

http://tinyurl.com/2kp47a<http://tinyurl.com/2kp47a> (Times)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6490389.stm<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6490389.stm>
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OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST
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On the DNA front ... I can't remember if we've had this bit of
Thomas Jefferson DNA results before:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070328111115.htm<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070328111115.htm>

.. and the genetic origins of this Viking woman are interesting:

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1709020.ece<http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1709020.ece>

Microsoft joins the efforts to save Romansch:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aMIDIGeScPZg<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aMIDIGeScPZg>

Interesting item on how quickly dogs may have been domesticated:

http://tinyurl.com/2jgea7<http://tinyurl.com/2jgea7>

The 'secret gospel' of Mark is back in the news:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/31/us/31beliefs.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/31/us/31beliefs.html>

Evidence of early swimmer's ear?:

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/03/23/surfers_arc.html<http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/03/23/surfers_arc.html>

Darwin apparently did not 'hold back' his theory:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6500887.stm<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6500887.stm>

Oxford Dictionary of National Biography Lives of the Week:

http://www.oxforddnb.com/public/lotw/<http://www.oxforddnb.com/public/lotw/>

Arts and Letters Daily:

http://aldaily.com/<http://aldaily.com/>
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GENERAL MAGAZINES AND JOURNALS
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About.com Archaeology:

http://archaeology.about.com/<http://archaeology.about.com/>

Archaeoblog:

http://archaeoblog.blogspot.com/<http://archaeoblog.blogspot.com/>

Archaeology Briefs:

http://archaeologybriefs.blogspot.com/<http://archaeologybriefs.blogspot.com/>
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CRIME BEAT
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Vague item on 'antiquities' found in some house in Chicago:

http://tinyurl.com/383949<http://tinyurl.com/383949> (Tribune)

.. a later update is enlightening, I supposed, but I'm still
confused:

http://tinyurl.com/2mfnfn<http://tinyurl.com/2mfnfn> (Tribune)

Iran has lost a court case to recover items from Barakat
Galleries:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article2405107.ece<http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article2405107.ece>
http://tinyurl.com/2jq8ol<http://tinyurl.com/2jq8ol> (WPost)
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/art/news/story/0,,2045851,00.html<http://arts.guardian.co.uk/art/news/story/0,,2045851,00.html>

.. while Egyptian representatives are off to France to recover
a lock of Ramses II's hair:

http://english.people.com.cn/200703/30/eng20070330_362400.html<http://english.people.com.cn/200703/30/eng20070330_362400.html>

Some smugglers were caught in Greece:

http://tinyurl.com/3aeppn<http://tinyurl.com/3aeppn> (IOL)

The looting continues in Peru:

http://tinyurl.com/3a89cq<http://tinyurl.com/3a89cq> (AFP via Yahoo)

.. and Afghanistan:

http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070326-074538-8592r<http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070326-074538-8592r>

.. and Yemen is being targeted as well:

http://tinyurl.com/yqerxx<http://tinyurl.com/yqerxx> (AFP via Yahoo)
http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070326-075520-8346r<http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070326-075520-8346r>

Interesting feature on stolen art and the lawyers who get
involved in recovery efforts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/arts/artsspecial/28law.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/arts/artsspecial/28law.html>

A study of 'nighthawking' is afoot in the UK:

http://uktv.co.uk/index.cfm/uktv/History.news/aid/584731<http://uktv.co.uk/index.cfm/uktv/History.news/aid/584731>
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NUMISMATICA
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Hobbyblog:

http://hobbyblog.blogspot.com/<http://hobbyblog.blogspot.com/>

Ancient Coin Collecting:

http://ancientcoincollecting.blogspot.com/<http://ancientcoincollecting.blogspot.com/>

Ancient Coins:

http://classicalcoins.blogspot.com/<http://classicalcoins.blogspot.com/>
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EXHIBITIONS, AUCTIONS, AND MUSEUM-RELATED
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Kindred Spirits:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/arts/design/30dura.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/arts/design/30dura.html>

Praxiteles:

http://tinyurl.com/2vkh8m<http://tinyurl.com/2vkh8m> (Bloomberg)

Apocalypse Then:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/arts/design/30apoc.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/arts/design/30apoc.html>

Venice and the Islamic World:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/arts/design/30veni.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/arts/design/30veni.html>

More coverage of the Getty returning items to Greece:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6505971.stm<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6505971.stm>
http://www.hostelbookers.com/info/news/18104753<http://www.hostelbookers.com/info/news/18104753>
http://english.people.com.cn/200703/30/eng20070330_362370.html<http://english.people.com.cn/200703/30/eng20070330_362370.html>
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-03/30/content_5914500.htm<http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-03/30/content_5914500.htm>
http://tinyurl.com/2ju6gr<http://tinyurl.com/2ju6gr> (ANA)
http://tinyurl.com/2sz6gu<http://tinyurl.com/2sz6gu> (LA Times)
http://tinyurl.com/yq7h98<http://tinyurl.com/yq7h98> (Kathimerini)

They're trying to make a connection between the Getty sending
items back to Greece and the Elgin/Parthenon marbles:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1593772.ece<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1593772.ece>
http://tinyurl.com/2w97pp<http://tinyurl.com/2w97pp> (Globe and Mail)
http://www.thestar.com/artsentertainment/article/197631<http://www.thestar.com/artsentertainment/article/197631>
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/03/29/greece.britain/<http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/03/29/greece.britain/>
http://tinyurl.com/3y64wm<http://tinyurl.com/3y64wm> (IHT)
http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=492302007<http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=492302007>
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-03-29-greece_N.htm?csp=34<http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-03-29-greece_N.htm?csp=34>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070329/en_nm/greece_elgin_dc_1<http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070329/en_nm/greece_elgin_dc_1>

.. and the rhetoric level is rising:

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/art/news/story/0,,2046278,00.html<http://arts.guardian.co.uk/art/news/story/0,,2046278,00.html>

.. not sure if this is connected:

http://www.addpr.com/articles/christian/16386.html<http://www.addpr.com/articles/christian/16386.html>

.. meanwhile, remember a while back when the Vatican was asked
to return some items from the Parthenon in its collection?
They've decided not to do so:

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=50188<http://www.cwnewscom/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=50188>

The New York Times has a special section on museums:

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/arts/artsspecial/<http://www.nytimes.com/pages/arts/artsspecial/>

.. some highlights:

On renovations to the Denver Art Museum:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/arts/artsspecial/28build.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/arts/artsspecial/28build.html>

.. and the 'globalization' of museums:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/arts/artsspecial/28global.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/arts/artsspecial/28global.html>

.. and the packing of items being shipped:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/arts/artsspecial/28getty.html<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/arts/artsspecial/28getty.html>

An earthquake has caused some damage to the museum at
Cephalonia:

http://tinyurl.com/2b2ate<http://tinyurl.com/2b2ate> (AFP via Yahoo)

.. while improper storage at a museum in Turkey has led to
damage of a statue of Mars:

http://tinyurl.com/2o4msk<http://tinyurl.com/2o4msk> (TZ)
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> Fl. Galerius L. Vitellio sal.
>
> Are you spending a little too many shifts with the Knoxville urban

cohortes?

> It sounds like you need more sleep.
>

You just do not have any concept of how much sleep I could really use
right now...LOL!!!!

> Respectfully, I would suggest that there be an end to this thread;

[Triarius looks around at the mass abscessed thread, reaches under his
toga, pulls out his pugio, and ceremoniously--representing this
thread--falls on his pugio--gasping for breathe, he, as this thread,
dies...]