Thank you P. Memmius Albucius for your response.
Robino Marcato
Hail Caesar! (Now there's a salute)

----- Original Message ----
From: Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 3:31:00 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Seeking William the Conqueror's Decendent's Patrilinial Knowledge


P. Memmius Albucius Robino Marcato s.d.



First, on family lines, specially the one you have attached to your

letter, do not give it too much importance. Such lines seem, as the

one beneath, very fanciful, and published to have us all here get

some relax reading it.



Second, and on a serious level this time, on William the Conqueror,

he is simply the 6th direct descendant of the born in 854 Hrolf,

later called Rollon, who had been banned from Norway and became the

1st duke of Normandy, France.



Third,the origin of your family name, MARQUARDT.



This name comes from Germany, and is made from two Old German parts :

MARK-, which designed the horse, and HARD-, which has roughly the

same meaning as in modern English (severe, harsh, strong, vigorous).

The word MARK- or perhaps MARCOS come probably from the Celts, and

adopted by the Germans.



You still find many MARQUARDT in Germany.



So, your name does not come from Latin.



Vale Robine,



P. Memmius Albucius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Robin Marquardt <remarq777@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Triarius,

> My last name MARQUARDT; I've heard rumors in my family that we are

decedents of certain high profile people; one that the name is Latin,

another that it is from holy blood or blue blood.

> Not to take up too much of your time, do you know anything about

the lineage to the last name?



(..)

> Valle Optime,

> Robin Marquardt

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: L. Vitellius Triarius <lucius_vitellius_ triarius@ ...>

> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com

> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:44:42 PM

> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Ancestry





> Salvete gurus of historical research S.P.D.



> Here is one of my family's lines that I have researched to William

the

> Conqueror (my 34th Great-Grandfather. ..it's pretty clear from here

on down). Yes, it DOES include mythology.

> Valid or Invalid? I welcome any critique from our historians, as any

>

> additions, deletions, or corrections will improve the quality of my

> research.



> References are from various sources, from official British

Government

>

> sites to private family sites:

Salvete Quirites ! Salvete Romani !

As much as I support a stamp for Nova Roma for advertising , I
still have to ask the question what is more important, a real temple
for the Roman Gods or a stamp ?
It seems that the stamp gets more attention. Is that because it is
an easy to achieve project ? One which can be achieved in short-
term, compared to our projects MMP and A Temple for the Gods in Rome
which will be long-term investments into the future of Nova Roma ?

There is just a simple question, do we want a real temple for the
Gods in Rome in the eternal City – could there be a more nobler
place - for all of our worldwide citizens ? Or don't we ?

If the answer is yes, let us unite in the common goal to get a
temple for our gods, provide us with your help, ideas and support .

If the answer is no, and we deny a real temple for the Roman Gods,
than we have to decide which way Nova Roma will go.

I have joined Nova Roma - as well as others - for the Religio
Romana, in fact this was one of the main reasons (besides the
interest in the Roman republic and in politics ) to join and I would
like to see our Gods honored in a real temple.

Let's unite all Romans in a common goal, let's give our Gods a
temple in Rome.

I admire Titus Iulius Sabinus and all other Nova Roma citizens who
have worked hard to get the MMP project started and to keep it
alive, but it seems to me that this project is a long-term project
and it is questionable if there ever will be a public worship
possible.

Why not support the project a Temple for the Gods in Rome , here we
have a short- term solution for the public worship. There are
existing temples in Rome which are not in ruins and it seems to be
possible to receive the permission to perform a public worship to
the Roman Gods right there.
Or a parcel of land could be bought in Rome to create a fanum, than
a wooden temple and onwards. It should be possible to have the
temple or fanum by next year ! I am willing to donate for the Temple
for the Gods project and so I know others will.

There is Italian support for our project and Nova Roma will receive
a worldwide publicity.

So let's go for both projects, the Temple for the Gods and the Magna
Mater Project, one short- term and the other one as a long-term
project.

I call upon you once again Quirites , please support us with your
ideas, help and your encouragement to achieve our goal, the first
real temple for worshipping of the Roman Gods in Rome in 1600 years
and strengthen the pact with our Gods.

Marca Hortensia Maior I thank you very much for your support !

It is our aim to present to the Patres et conscripti our project
proposal for the Temple of the Gods in Rome within the next senate
session.

May Dii Immortales grant the Senate & People of Nova Roma all
strength and wisdom to favor our projects.

Valete optime
Diis bene iuvantibus sumus

Titus Flavius Aquila
Civis Provinciae Germaniae

Salve,

I don't see why it's a matter of one or the other. If you're for the stamps you're against the MMP? Why can't we do both? Why can't we use the stamps as a way to build support for the MMP?

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella
http://minucia.ciarin.com
http://novabritannia.org

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] MMP and A Temple for the Gods in Rome projects


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Salvete,

I already suggested using the stamps for this. I also
don't see it as an either/or issue.


--- Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
> I don't see why it's a matter of one or the other.
> If you're for the stamps you're against the MMP? Why
> can't we do both? Why can't we use the stamps as a
> way to build support for the MMP?
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
> http://minucia.ciarin.com
> http://novabritannia.org
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: titus.aquila
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:57 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] MMP and A Temple for the Gods
> in Rome projects
>
>
> Salvete Quirites ! Salvete Romani !
>
> As much as I support a stamp for Nova Roma for
> advertising , I
> still have to ask the question what is more
> important, a real temple
> for the Roman Gods or a stamp ?
>
> Recent Activity
> a.. 2New Members
> b.. 1New Photos
> Visit Your Group
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>
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>
> fashion and style?
>
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Salvete omnes

I agree that it should not be a question of one project or another, and
doing nothing is not an option if we are to get anywhere.

I have just sent $10 to the MMP fund.

I would also be happy to lend support to any other project.

Valete optime

C Marcius Crispus

Salvete Marcella et omnes

We don't need to keep waiting for the "long term" projects to be possible...
We can save funds for the Temple and any other future plans, but we can also
spend a little bit in "short term", present projects.

No body can live only thinking in the future... We all need some serotonin
for now!

Still, I agree with Marcella and I think these 'serononin' will not give me
much excitement as both the stamps and the Temple are in the other
hemisphere.

This is why we need to take part of local projects. Perhaps citizens in the
Southern Hemisphere could get together for a parallel Temple-like project.
What do you, Romans from the South, think?

Valete bene

TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Brasiliae
Interpres Linguae Lusitanicae
Scriba Censoris
Scriba Praetoris
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> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] Em nome de annia@...
> Enviada em: terça-feira, 31 de julho de 2007 19:39
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Assunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: MMP report. & Temple for the Gods....
>
> Salve!
>
> This America is interested in both stamps and temples, but
> which one is more readily accomplished? It's hard to get
> excited over long term projects especially when the project
> isn't in the same hemisphere.
>
> btw, I've donated to the MMP, and I will continue to donate
> when I have the spare funds.
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
> http://minucia.ciarin.com
> http://novabritannia.org
>
> > -M. Hortensia T. Iulio spd;
> > It wonderful to read what progress has been done on the
> > Magna Mater Project, my congratulations Sabine, for all your follow
> > through & hard work.
> > I notice and so has Aquila that there seems to be
> very little
> > interest not only in this splendid project but the great temple for
> > the gods in Rome. But there is tons for a stamp.
> > Are North Americans so uninterested in partipating
> in European
> > activities that we see 0 to 1 interest in real life buildings & 9
> > interest in a postage stamp? I really wonder & find it troubling.
> > I hope I am wrong.
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> > producer 'Vox Romana' podcast website address is
> > http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/ . address for RSS
> syndication is
> > http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/podcast.xml .
> >
> >
> >> - official website - DONE:
> >> http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/home.php
> >>
> >> - material to promote this project (leaflets publications, DVD
> > with
> >> topographical introduction to the location, archaeological remains
> >> and evidences, history of the Sanctuary of the Cult of
> Cybele in Rome
> >> - DONE: t-shirts and business cards to promote the project:
> >> http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/News.php?ID=14
> >>
> >> - a six-month scholarship for a student of the University of Rome -
> >
> >> NOT DONE, because the donations low level in comparission with the
> >> costs for scholarship.
> >>
> >> C.WHAT IS THE RETURN ON THIS INVESTMENT? WHY IS THE MAGNA MATER
> >> PROJECT SO IMPORTANT?
> >>
> >> It is important because it permits NR to spread its name into the
> >> academic world, and provides the mechanism by which we may be
> >> entitled to manage Roman monuments. It's an opportunity to make
> > our
> >> name known in the macronational, physical world, after
> having done so
> >> much in the virtual, electronic world.
> >>
> >> D.WILL NOVA ROMA EVER BE ALLOWED TO HOLD RITUAL THERE TO
> MAGNA MATER?
> >>
> >> Marcus Iulius Perusianus answer:
> >>
> >> A certain number of NR citizens were able to visit the proximity
> > of
> >> the temple this past April, courtesy of a special pass by the
> >> Soprintendenza Archeologica di Roma (the entire south-west side of
> >> the Palatine, the Germalus, has been closed for the past
> 5-7 years).
> >> We were accompanied by a guardian for almost the entire
> visit, and at
> >> our tour of the house of Augustus, I guess a very simple
> rite could
> >> have been held. I believe that a longer than 5 minute
> ceremony, with
> >> an attendance of more than 10-15 people,
> > would
> >> hardly be tolerated. I am not talking about 'religious'
> > intolerance;
> >> it is just a question of security. Soprintendenza is working in
> > the
> >> Germalus areas, and it is not easy to attain permission to enter.
> >> Honestly, I think to have a ritual there is currently quite
> >> impossible.
> >>
> >> E.WHAT HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE DO THE TREES CURRENTLY
> GROWING ON TOP OF
> >> THE MM SANCTUARY HOLD? WHY ARE THEY MORE HISTORICALLY
> > IMPORTANT
> >> THAN THE RESTORATION OF ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT TEMPLE SITES OF
> >> ROME?
> >>
> >> Marcus Iulius Perusianus answer again:
> >>
> >> I have asked this of the manager of the Palatine ruins.
> > Currently,
> >> it is deemed a useless effort to cut these environmentally and
> >> historically protected trees, as the only part of the structure
> >> remaining is the basement of the temple (not considering the short
> >> remains of a couple of columns). We won't have a better view of
> > the
> >> bricks with the presence of these trees, which have been there for
> >> some centuries. The general guidelines of the Soprintendenza
> >> Archeologica di Roma is to maintain the monuments as they
> > are,unless
> >> there is original material of the structure to position in their
> >> respective places. And, even when these materials are found, it
> >> takes a lot of time to study exactly where they fit. It is a
> > matter
> >> of academic official opinion that not a single reconstruction
> > effort
> >> can be made without appropriate archaeological evidence to support
> >> such action.
> >>
> >> I want to point out A in conection with C:
> >>
> >> Quirites, the ultimate project goal, the MM temple restoration is
> >> indeed very long term, because various reason, from all of them,
> > the
> >> financial one, being the first. Take a look to the status of the
> >> project:
> >> http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/project/status.htm
> >> We must see this goal as something which can be done in the future
> >> and until then to pay attention to the necessary steps to do that.
> >> The connection with the academic world is one of the most
> > important
> >> point in this moment. We have the website and thanks to you, the
> >> project investors, we have some money! Not so much, but enough to
> >> start to think to a collaboration. What it means that? It means
> > that
> >> we must find a solution to promote the project outside Nova Roma.
> > To
> >> promote the project outside NR is the only way to grow our level,
> > to
> >> acquire the others trusts in our proposals.
> >> MMP Collegium will start in September to find a solution in this
> > way.
> >>
> >> 2.Magna Mater Project Fundraising.
> >>
> >> The project balance in this moment is: 3679.77 USD and 11 Euro.
> >> If last year I reported a development with 30% of the fund, in
> > this
> >> moment I want to say that we are to the same level as of the
> >> beginning of the year.
> >> Some of us participated and their names are here to the investor's
> >> page:
> >> http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/project/investors.htm
> >> This project can be sustained with your effort. We really need
> > your
> >> donations because in fact, they represent your trust for project!
> >> All that donations represent, as is said in the project
> support first
> >> paragraph:
> >> "many small stones together exist and create great temples"
> >> "many small coins combined provide a treasury of Support for the
> >> Magna Mater Project venture"
> >> Visit the support page of the project:
> >> http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/project/support.htm
> >> And become an investor for the Magna Mater Project!
> >>
> >> Help with the fundraising campaign joining to the fundraising
> > group!
> >> If you are available and you want to work in our team don't
> > hesitate
> >> to write me privately at: iulius_sabinus@...
> >> You will receive soon an invitation!
> >> We are honored to announce that Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia joined
> > us
> >> and with this occasion the MMP Collegium want to thanks her for
> >> dedication to the project.
> >>
> >> 3. This year activities are directed to:
> >> - MM DVD = only one video file is necessary.
> >> - MMP medallion = to produce one medallion in order to be
> > presented
> >> to the Senate.
> >> - to increase the fundraising campaign level.
> >> - to create the necessary premises for the e-commerce part of the
> >> project.
> >>
> >> 4. MMP Collegium is composed of:
> >> - Franciscus Apulus Caesar - Editorial assistant.
> >> - Pompeia Minucia Strabo - Fundraising assistant.
> >> - Caius Curius Saturninus - Producer assistant.
> >> - Marcus Moravius Horatianus Piscinus - Religious assistant.
> >> - Marcus Lucretius Agricola - Wiki assistant.
> >> - Publius Memmius Albucius - Juridical assistant.
> >> - Gnaeus Equitius Marinus - Historical assistant.
> >> - Caeso Fabio Buteo Quintilianus - Historical assistant.
> >> - Gnaeus Iulius Caesar - Historical assistant.
> >> - Marcus Iulius Perusianus - Historical assistant.
> >>
> >> Magna Mater Project is presented to wiki:
> >> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Magna_Mater_project
> >> and in "Magna Mater in Nova Roma" links section.
> >>
> >> For donations visit this page:
> >> http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/project/support.htm
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> VALETE,
> >> IVL SABINVS
> >> Project Coordinator.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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Salvete,

If one owns land, a small classic-style temple is not
too expensive to build. Pricy for an individual but
affordable for a group is a mausoleum that will not be
used for burial. Almost half the cost of mausoleams is
burial specs, cementary plot fees and permits. If it
is not going to be used for burial or placed in a
cementary, the costs drop by almost half. Next and
cheaper is buying architectural columns and
porticos(stone, poly stone/marble, synthetic stone,
fiberglass, glass fiber reinforced gypsum,
architectural urethane or wood) from a home supplier,
lay your own concrete foundation and build a wooden
structure. I'm in the process now.




--- Titus Arminius Genialis <tagenialis@...>
wrote:

> Salvete Marcella et omnes
>
> We don't need to keep waiting for the "long term"
> projects to be possible...
> We can save funds for the Temple and any other
> future plans, but we can also
> spend a little bit in "short term", present
> projects.
>
> No body can live only thinking in the future... We
> all need some serotonin
> for now!
>
> Still, I agree with Marcella and I think these
> 'serononin' will not give me
> much excitement as both the stamps and the Temple
> are in the other
> hemisphere.
>
> This is why we need to take part of local projects.
> Perhaps citizens in the
> Southern Hemisphere could get together for a
> parallel Temple-like project.
> What do you, Romans from the South, think?
>
> Valete bene
>
> TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
> Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Brasiliae
> Interpres Linguae Lusitanicae
> Scriba Censoris
> Scriba Praetoris
> tagenialis@...
>
>
>
> > -----Mensagem original-----
> > De: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] Em nome de
> annia@...
> > Enviada em: terça-feira, 31 de julho de 2007 19:39
> > Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Assunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: MMP report. & Temple
> for the Gods....
> >
> > Salve!
> >
> > This America is interested in both stamps and
> temples, but
> > which one is more readily accomplished? It's hard
> to get
> > excited over long term projects especially when
> the project
> > isn't in the same hemisphere.
> >
> > btw, I've donated to the MMP, and I will continue
> to donate
> > when I have the spare funds.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Annia Minucia Marcella
> > http://minucia.ciarin.com
> > http://novabritannia.org
> >
> > > -M. Hortensia T. Iulio spd;
> > > It wonderful to read what progress has
> been done on the
> > > Magna Mater Project, my congratulations Sabine,
> for all your follow
> > > through & hard work.
> > > I notice and so has Aquila that there
> seems to be
> > very little
> > > interest not only in this splendid project but
> the great temple for
> > > the gods in Rome. But there is tons for a stamp.
> > > Are North Americans so uninterested in
> partipating
> > in European
> > > activities that we see 0 to 1 interest in real
> life buildings & 9
> > > interest in a postage stamp? I really wonder &
> find it troubling.
> > > I hope I am wrong.
> > > M. Hortensia Maior
> > > producer 'Vox Romana' podcast
> website address is
> > > http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/ . address
> for RSS
> > syndication is
> > > http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/podcast.xml
> .
> > >
> > >
> > >> - official website - DONE:
> > >> http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/home.php
> > >>
> > >> - material to promote this project (leaflets
> publications, DVD
> > > with
> > >> topographical introduction to the location,
> archaeological remains
> > >> and evidences, history of the Sanctuary of the
> Cult of
> > Cybele in Rome
> > >> - DONE: t-shirts and business cards to promote
> the project:
> > >>
> http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/News.php?ID=14
> > >>
> > >> - a six-month scholarship for a student of the
> University of Rome -
> > >
> > >> NOT DONE, because the donations low level in
> comparission with the
> > >> costs for scholarship.
> > >>
> > >> C.WHAT IS THE RETURN ON THIS INVESTMENT? WHY
> IS THE MAGNA MATER
> > >> PROJECT SO IMPORTANT?
> > >>
> > >> It is important because it permits NR to spread
> its name into the
> > >> academic world, and provides the mechanism by
> which we may be
> > >> entitled to manage Roman monuments. It's an
> opportunity to make
> > > our
> > >> name known in the macronational, physical
> world, after
> > having done so
> > >> much in the virtual, electronic world.
> > >>
> > >> D.WILL NOVA ROMA EVER BE ALLOWED TO HOLD RITUAL
> THERE TO
> > MAGNA MATER?
> > >>
> > >> Marcus Iulius Perusianus answer:
> > >>
> > >> A certain number of NR citizens were able to
> visit the proximity
> > > of
> > >> the temple this past April, courtesy of a
> special pass by the
> > >> Soprintendenza Archeologica di Roma (the entire
> south-west side of
> > >> the Palatine, the Germalus, has been closed for
> the past
> > 5-7 years).
> > >> We were accompanied by a guardian for almost
> the entire
> > visit, and at
> > >> our tour of the house of Augustus, I guess a
> very simple
> > rite could
> > >> have been held. I believe that a longer than 5
> minute
> > ceremony, with
> > >> an attendance of more than 10-15 people,
> > > would
> > >> hardly be tolerated. I am not talking about
> 'religious'
> > > intolerance;
> > >> it is just a question of security.
> Soprintendenza is working in
> > > the
> > >> Germalus areas, and it is not easy to attain
> permission to enter.
> > >> Honestly, I think to have a ritual there is
> currently quite
> > >> impossible.
> > >>
> > >> E.WHAT HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE DO THE TREES
> CURRENTLY
> > GROWING ON TOP OF
> > >> THE MM SANCTUARY HOLD? WHY ARE THEY MORE
> HISTORICALLY
> > > IMPORTANT
> > >> THAN THE RESTORATION OF ONE OF THE MORE
> IMPORTANT TEMPLE SITES OF
> > >> ROME?
> > >>
> > >> Marcus Iulius Perusianus answer again:
> > >>
> > >> I have asked this of the manager of the
> Palatine ruins.
> > > Currently,
> > >> it is deemed a useless effort to cut these
> environmentally and
> > >> historically protected trees, as the only part
> of the structure
> > >> remaining is the basement of the temple (not
> considering the short
> > >> remains of a couple of columns). We won't have
> a better view of
> > > the
> > >> bricks with the presence of these trees, which
> have been there for
> > >> some centuries. The general guidelines of the
> Soprintendenza
> > >> Archeologica di Roma is to maintain the
> monuments as they
> > > are,unless
> > >> there is original material of the structure to
> position in their
> > >> respective places. And, even when these
> materials are found, it
> > >> takes a lot of time to study exactly where they
> fit. It is a
> > > matter
> > >> of academic official opinion that not a single
> reconstruction
> > > effort
> > >> can be made without appropriate archaeological
> evidence to support
> > >> such action.
> > >>
> > >> I want to point out A in conection with C:
> > >>
> > >> Quirites, the ultimate project goal, the MM
> temple restoration is
> > >> indeed very long term, because various reason,
> from all of them,
> > > the
> > >> financial one, being the first. Take a look to
> the status of the
> > >> project:
> > >>
>

http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/project/status.htm

> > >> We must see this goal as something which can be
> done in the future
> > >> and until then to pay attention to the
> necessary steps to do that.
> > >> The connection with the academic world is one
> of the most
> > > important
> > >> point in this moment. We have the website and
> thanks to you, the
> > >> project investors, we have some money! Not so
> much, but enough to
> > >> start to think to a collaboration. What it
> means that? It means
> > > that
> > >> we must find a solution to promote the project
> outside Nova Roma.
> > > To
> > >> promote the project outside NR is the only way
> to grow our level,
> > > to
> > >> acquire the others trusts in our proposals.
> > >> MMP Collegium will start in September to find a
> solution in this
> > > way.
> > >>
> > >> 2.Magna Mater Project Fundraising.
> > >>
> > >> The project balance in this moment is: 3679.77
> USD and 11 Euro.
> > >> If last year I reported a development with 30%
> of the fund, in
> > > this
> > >> moment I want to say that we are to the same
> level as of the
> > >> beginning of the year.
> > >> Some of us participated and their names are
> here to the investor's
> > >> page:
> > >>
>

http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/project/investors.htm

> > >> This project can be sustained with your effort.
> We really need
> > > your
> > >> donations because in fact, they represent your
> trust for project!
> > >> All that donations represent, as is said in the
> project
> > support first
> > >> paragraph:
> > >> "many small stones together exist and create
> great temples"
> > >> "many small coins combined provide a treasury
> of Support for the
> > >> Magna Mater Project venture"
> > >> Visit the support page of the project:
> > >>
>

http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/project/support.htm

> > >> And become an investor for the Magna Mater
> Project!
> > >>
> > >> Help with the fundraising campaign joining to
> the fundraising
> > > group!
> > >> If you are available and you want to work in
> our team don't
> > > hesitate
> > >> to write me privately at: iulius_sabinus@...
> > >> You will receive soon an invitation!
> > >> We are honored to announce that Arnamentia
> Moravia Aurelia joined
> > > us
> > >> and with this occasion the MMP Collegium want
> to thanks her for
> > >> dedication to the project.
> > >>
> > >> 3. This year activities are directed to:
> > >> - MM DVD = only one video file is necessary.
> > >> - MMP medallion = to produce one medallion in
> order to be
> > > presented
> > >> to the Senate.
> > >> - to increase the fundraising campaign level.
> > >> - to create the necessary premises for the
> e-commerce part of the
> > >> project.
> > >>
> > >> 4. MMP Collegium is composed of:
> > >> - Franciscus Apulus Caesar - Editorial
> assistant.
> > >> - Pompeia Minucia Strabo - Fundraising
> assistant.
> > >> - Caius Curius Saturninus - Producer assistant.
> > >> - Marcus Moravius Horatianus Piscinus -
> Religious assistant.
> > >> - Marcus Lucretius Agricola - Wiki assistant.
> > >> - Publius Memmius Albucius - Juridical
> assistant.
> > >> - Gnaeus Equitius Marinus - Historical
> assistant.
> > >> - Caeso Fabio Buteo Quintilianus - Historical
> assistant.
> > >> - Gnaeus Iulius Caesar - Historical assistant.
> > >> - Marcus Iulius Perusianus - Historical
> assistant.
> > >>
> > >> Magna Mater Project is presented to wiki:
> > >> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Magna_Mater_project
> > >> and in "Magna Mater in Nova Roma" links
> section.
> > >>
> > >> For donations visit this page:
> > >>
>

http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/project/support.htm

> > >>
> > >> Thank you.
> > >>
> > >> VALETE,
> > >> IVL SABINVS
> > >> Project Coordinator.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
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America Austrorientalis


Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca
Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
Ubi spiritus est cantus est. - Sempronius Atratinus

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Salvete onmes,

In early February, as the request of Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, I
turned my attention to taking an active role in the affairs of
California Provincia. This report recounts my activities through
July, a period of about six months, nearly all of that time in the
capacity of a private citizen.

In late February, I undertook a re-engineering and update of the
California Provincia website (see
<http://www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/provincia/index.html>). The
website links to five Yahoo Groups, the websites of all three
California legiones, and two California online temples. I will
continue to update the website as required. Hopefully, ideas on
enriching the content of the website will be generated as more people
join the CaliforniaRomana group.

Our most urgent problem was to get control of our communication
system. The CaliforniaNovaRoma Yahoo Group had been created by Lucius
Cornelius Sulla in 2000. Sulla's departure had left the group
without an active owner, and three-quarters of the approximately 50
subscribed email addresses were bouncing. Worse still, the group had
been infiltrated by several prolific spammers. In consultation with
Quintus Fabius Maximus, I created a new CaliforniaRomana group in
early March, with Fabius as co-owner. Within a few days, all active
members of the old group, about twelve in number, subscribed to the
new group. Moreover, in the course of the next several months, I
reached out to the three California legiones, VI Victrix, IX
Hispania, and X Fretensis Cohors IV, as well as to the Julio-Claudian
Iconographic Association. Increase in membership of the
CaliforniaRomana group has been steady (see
<http://www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/provincia/members.gif>). As
of the end of July, the new group nearly tripled its membership to
34, comprising the following affiliations:

5 Independent
4 Julio-Claudian Iconographic Association
4 Legio VI Victrix
2 Legio IX Hispania
2 Legio X Fretensis Cohors IV
17 Nova Roma
1 Unknown

Another metric of success regarding the revival of romanitas in
California is the amount of message traffic of the past six months in
comparison with the previous year (see
<http://www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/provincia/traffic06-07.gif>).
For the 13-month period from January 2006 through January 2007, the
average traffic (omitting spammers) was 1.7 messages per month;
whereas, during the past six months (February through July 2007), the
average has been 32 messages per month, a eighteen-fold
increase. Indeed, the year-to-date traffic of 192 messages exceeds
the previous five years combined (137 messages), and is nearly double
the previous record of 104 messages in a calendar year, set in 2001
(see <http://www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/provincia/traffic06-07.gif>)

The new Yahoo website is also a coordinating tool. The calendar is
kept up to date with scheduled local events, and automatic reminder
messages are sent to group members. In another effort to increase
interest in romanitas in general and in California Provincia in
particular, I am fostering a contest to select a new official logo
for the provincia. Design entries are posted on the Yahoo site, and
after the closing date, voting on them will be via the Yahoo Group
polling function.

An effort in April to put together a Roman gathering at the Getty
Villa in Malibu failed. Probably this was due in part to scheduling
it on a Monday afternoon, rather than on a weekend. It is also true
that there were only 15 members of the new Yahoo group at that time,
whereas a future call for such a gathering will reach several times
as many people. I believe that this splendid venue, a recreation of
a Campanian villa that houses one of the world's great collections of
Roman art, is a natural one for southern California Romans, and I
will look for future opportunities to foster gatherings at this location.

In recent days, I initiated a discussion on planning a reenactment
event in northern California including the three legiones and
citizens of Nova Roma. This discussion is only in its early stages,
but it opens the possibility of establishing an annual event,
starting in 2008, possibly at a winery in one of the northern San
Francisco Bay Area counties, of similar scope to legion participation
in Old Fort MacArthur Days in the Los Angeles area. At this early
stage, I am pleased to see that the direction of this project is
being determined through a process of consensus. A number of people
are bringing good ideas to the table; the more stakeholders that buy
into the plan, the stronger the end result will be.

A great deal of work remains ahead, but all trends are
positive. California is coming back. There will be more progress to
report later in the year as we put together a management team with
better local contacts. However, it cannot be stressed too strongly
that what has been accomplished in the past six months would not have
been possible without the advice and network of contacts of Quintus
Fabius Maximus, and it is my opinion that Fabius should be restored
as governor of California.

Optime valete,
M. Martianius Gangalius
Legatus Consularis


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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est Kalendis Sextiliis; haec dies fastus est.

"The Sun with sultry Sirius now doth rise
And Jove's red lightning flashes from the skies:
The angry gods heaven's arm'ry open flings,
And whizzing bolts ride forth on burning wings." - Anson Allen,
"Newtonian Reflector" (AD 1825)

"Whereas the Emperor Augustus Caesar, in the month of
Sextillis...thrice entered the city in triumph...and in the same month
Egypt was brought under the authority of the Roman people, and in the
same month an end was put to the civil wars; and whereas for these
reasons the said month is, and has been, most fortunate to this
empire, it is hereby decreed by the senate that the said month shall
be called Augustus."

On this day, temples were dedicated to Spes, the Victories, and Mars
Ultor.

"The woman [Pandora], with her hands lifting away the lid from the
great jar, scattered its contents, and her design was sad troubles for
mankind. Elpis (Hope) was the only spirit that stayed there in the
unbreakable closure of the jar, under its rim, and could not fly forth
abroad, for the lid of the great jar closed down first and contained
her; this was by the will of cloud-gathering Zeus of the aegis." -
Hesiod, Works and Days

"Elpis (Hope) is the only good god remaining among mankind; the others
have left and gone to Olympos. Pistis (Trust), a mighty god has gone,
Sophrosyne (Restraint) has gone from men, and the Kharites, my friend,
have abandoned the earth. Men's judicial oaths are no longer to be
trusted, nor does anyone revere the immortal gods; the race of pious
men has perished and men no longer recognize the rules of conduct or
acts of piety. But as long as man lives and sees the light of the sun,
let him show piety to the gods and count on Elpis (Hope). Let him pray
to the gods and burn splendid thigh bones, sacrificing to Elpis (Hope)
first and last." - Greek Elegaic Theognis, Frag 1.1135

Spes is the goddess of hope. She was traditionally defined as "the
last goddess" (Spes, ultima dea), meaning that hope is the last
resource available to men. Her temple was in the Forum Holitorium. In
art, Spes was depicted hitching her skirt while holding a cornucopia
and flowers. Spes personified hope for good harvests, and for
children, and was invoked at births, marriages, and other important
times. Her Greek equivalent is Elpis.


The Temple of Mars Ultor (the Avenger) was built by the Emperor
Augustus for a variety of reasons. Of course it served as the focal
point of his forum, located in the centrally and the rear (following
the example set by Iulius Caesar with his Temple of Venus Genetrix)
and closing off the space at the back of the forum in this manner
blocked the view of the Roman tenements.

But the reasons for this temple go far beyond the practical ones. By
making his temple to Mars the Avenger, Augustus pointedly reminded the
Roman people of that he had avenged the death of Iulius Caesar who had
recently been canonized by the Roman Senate. He also reminded the
Senate and the People that he stuck his oath before the battle of
Actium, remaining faithful to the Roman religion; he clearly believed
in the Roman Virtues, especially Pietas, Gravitas, and Dignitas. These
blunt statements made by Augustus in the temple gave himself a
glorified and deified ancestry, characteristics, and persona, all
suggesting his own worthiness as an Imperator and a potential deity.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Hesiod, Theognis, Wikipedia

Salvete omnes

from tomorrow until August 20th I will be absent from Nova Roma.

Valete

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
PROPRAETOR HISPANIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

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ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima

SALVETE!

My recommendation for some people from this list is to not try to
connect MMP with other things.
MMP is an official project of the State, approved by Senate. MMP has
a definite program and a Collegium nominated to analyze and take
decisions.
MMP Collegium mission is to CONTINUE the past years work. The goals
of the project are:

1. Official Website
DONE.

2. Material to promote this Project:
- leaflets: DONE.
- publications: Piscinus' research about MM Latin inscriptions
around the world: work in progress but more than 80% finished.
-business cards: DONE.
-DVD: the first priority of this year! One video file is needed and
the DVD is ready.

3. A 6-month scholarship for a student of the University of Rome.
It's early to talk about that – because financial reasons- but MMP
Collegium will discuss in the second part of the year about a
realistic strategy and will present it to the Senate.

4. I added the MMP medallion but this is not a priority. Anyway one
medallion will be produced this year in Dacia and it will be
presented to the Senate.

Each project needs a long term goal. In order to accomplish this
long term goal some intermediate steps are necessary. That is what
MMP Collegium is doing now: it works to that intermediate steps. As
always MMP Collegium has a positive attitude to suggestions and
recommendations but is more than grateful to those who want to
dedicate their time and energy to contribute to the project
effective and practical development.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

SALVE MARCI CRISPE!

Thank you for donation. You honored MMP with your dedication. Your name will be added to the investors page.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

Gaius Marcius Crispus <jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:
Salvete omnes

I agree that it should not be a question of one project or another, and
doing nothing is not an option if we are to get anywhere.

I have just sent $10 to the MMP fund.

I would also be happy to lend support to any other project.

Valete optime

C Marcius Crispus






"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius





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M. Hortensia T. Flavio Quiritibus spd;
I have been reading the NRItali list recently & they are
finally starting to talk about the cultus deorum, this project has
sparked pride & real interest.
Cives complain, NR is just internet etc...well here is a
real project. If the Greeks managed to get the authorities of Greece
to let them use a state-owned temple, it must be easier in Rome as
the city sponsored a neo-pagan summer solstice festival. Wonderful.

And below is a link to our Greek cousins from YSEE having ritual in
Southern Italy

http://www.ysee.gr/index.php?type=d&f=sikelia07

This could be us in Rome.
I would expect all our religious officials to support this fantastic
project. I'm helping Aquila with the charter so we may submit it to
the Senate.
Actions not Words!
M. Hortensia Maior
producer 'Vox Romana'
website address is http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/ . The
address for RSS syndication is
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/podcast.xml .

'Temple for the Gods' project!

> There is just a simple question, do we want a real temple for the
> Gods in Rome in the eternal City – could there be a more nobler
> place - for all of our worldwide citizens ? Or don't we ?
>
> If the answer is yes, let us unite in the common goal to get a
> temple for our gods, provide us with your help, ideas and support .
>
> If the answer is no, and we deny a real temple for the Roman Gods,
> than we have to decide which way Nova Roma will go.
>
> I have joined Nova Roma - as well as others - for the Religio
> Romana, in fact this was one of the main reasons (besides the
> interest in the Roman republic and in politics ) to join and I

would

> like to see our Gods honored in a real temple.
>
> Let's unite all Romans in a common goal, let's give our Gods a
> temple in Rome.
>
> I admire Titus Iulius Sabinus and all other Nova Roma citizens who
> have worked hard to get the MMP project started and to keep it
> alive, but it seems to me that this project is a long-term project
> and it is questionable if there ever will be a public worship
> possible.
>
> Why not support the project a Temple for the Gods in Rome , here

we

> have a short- term solution for the public worship. There are
> existing temples in Rome which are not in ruins and it seems to be
> possible to receive the permission to perform a public worship to
> the Roman Gods right there.
> Or a parcel of land could be bought in Rome to create a fanum,

than

> a wooden temple and onwards. It should be possible to have the
> temple or fanum by next year ! I am willing to donate for the

Temple

> for the Gods project and so I know others will.
>
> There is Italian support for our project and Nova Roma will

receive

> a worldwide publicity.
>
> So let's go for both projects, the Temple for the Gods and the

Magna

> Mater Project, one short- term and the other one as a long-term
> project.
>
> I call upon you once again Quirites , please support us with your
> ideas, help and your encouragement to achieve our goal, the first
> real temple for worshipping of the Roman Gods in Rome in 1600

years

> and strengthen the pact with our Gods.
>
> Marca Hortensia Maior I thank you very much for your support !
>
> It is our aim to present to the Patres et conscripti our project
> proposal for the Temple of the Gods in Rome within the next senate
> session.
>
> May Dii Immortales grant the Senate & People of Nova Roma all
> strength and wisdom to favor our projects.
>
> Valete optime
> Diis bene iuvantibus sumus
>
> Titus Flavius Aquila
> Civis Provinciae Germaniae
>

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Marco Martianio Gangalio salutem dicit

I am interested in seeing the e-mails you sent out as part of your
networking plan. One of those e-mails was forwarded to me and your
treatment of the senate and of Nova Roma was not very good. Is it your plan
to illustrate to non-Nova Romans your disdain for the senate of Nova Roma?
Several senatores, including myself, were planning to gladly support you as
provincial governor until this came to light.

Vale:

Modianus

On 8/1/07, Marcus Martianius Gangalius <marcus@...> wrote:
>
> A great deal of work remains ahead, but all trends are
> positive. California is coming back. There will be more progress to
> report later in the year as we put together a management team with
> better local contacts. However, it cannot be stressed too strongly
> that what has been accomplished in the past six months would not have
> been possible without the advice and network of contacts of Quintus
> Fabius Maximus, and it is my opinion that Fabius should be restored
> as governor of California.
>
> Optime valete,
> M. Martianius Gangalius
> Legatus Consularis
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

P. Memmius Albucius Hortensiae s.d.

Interesting idea, which needs a good 'candidacy file' to be backed
up, specially in our Senate.

Good luck to both of you.

Concerning the submission to the Senate, which consul has accepted to
support the project ?

Vale Maior,


P. Memmius Albucius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia T. Flavio Quiritibus spd;
> I have been reading the NRItali list recently & they
are
> finally starting to talk about the cultus deorum, this project has
> sparked pride & real interest.
> Cives complain, NR is just internet etc...well here is a
> real project. If the Greeks managed to get the authorities of
Greece
> to let them use a state-owned temple, it must be easier in Rome as
> the city sponsored a neo-pagan summer solstice festival. Wonderful.
>
> And below is a link to our Greek cousins from YSEE having ritual in
> Southern Italy
>
> http://www.ysee.gr/index.php?type=d&f=sikelia07
>
> This could be us in Rome.
> I would expect all our religious officials to support this
fantastic
> project. I'm helping Aquila with the charter so we may submit it to
> the Senate.
> Actions not Words!
> M. Hortensia Maior
> producer 'Vox Romana'
> website address is http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/ . The
> address for RSS syndication is
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/podcast.xml .
>
> 'Temple for the Gods' project!
>
>
> > There is just a simple question, do we want a real temple for the
> > Gods in Rome in the eternal City – could there be a more nobler
> > place - for all of our worldwide citizens ? Or don't we ?
> >
> > If the answer is yes, let us unite in the common goal to get a
> > temple for our gods, provide us with your help, ideas and
support .
> >
> > If the answer is no, and we deny a real temple for the Roman
Gods,
> > than we have to decide which way Nova Roma will go.
> >
> > I have joined Nova Roma - as well as others - for the Religio
> > Romana, in fact this was one of the main reasons (besides the
> > interest in the Roman republic and in politics ) to join and I
> would
> > like to see our Gods honored in a real temple.
> >
> > Let's unite all Romans in a common goal, let's give our Gods a
> > temple in Rome.
> >
> > I admire Titus Iulius Sabinus and all other Nova Roma citizens
who
> > have worked hard to get the MMP project started and to keep it
> > alive, but it seems to me that this project is a long-term
project
> > and it is questionable if there ever will be a public worship
> > possible.
> >
> > Why not support the project a Temple for the Gods in Rome , here
> we
> > have a short- term solution for the public worship. There are
> > existing temples in Rome which are not in ruins and it seems to
be
> > possible to receive the permission to perform a public worship to
> > the Roman Gods right there.
> > Or a parcel of land could be bought in Rome to create a fanum,
> than
> > a wooden temple and onwards. It should be possible to have the
> > temple or fanum by next year ! I am willing to donate for the
> Temple
> > for the Gods project and so I know others will.
> >
> > There is Italian support for our project and Nova Roma will
> receive
> > a worldwide publicity.
> >
> > So let's go for both projects, the Temple for the Gods and the
> Magna
> > Mater Project, one short- term and the other one as a long-term
> > project.
> >
> > I call upon you once again Quirites , please support us with your
> > ideas, help and your encouragement to achieve our goal, the first
> > real temple for worshipping of the Roman Gods in Rome in 1600
> years
> > and strengthen the pact with our Gods.
> >
> > Marca Hortensia Maior I thank you very much for your support !
> >
> > It is our aim to present to the Patres et conscripti our project
> > proposal for the Temple of the Gods in Rome within the next
senate
> > session.
> >
> > May Dii Immortales grant the Senate & People of Nova Roma all
> > strength and wisdom to favor our projects.
> >
> > Valete optime
> > Diis bene iuvantibus sumus
> >
> > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > Civis Provinciae Germaniae
> >
>

Marcus Martianius Gangalius Gaio Fabio Buteo Modiano salutem dicit

First of all, with due respect, Senator, this sort of public comment
only promotes more discord. I think Nova Roma would be a lot happier
place if we could show that we are working together for the benefit of all.

Secondly, I have no comment on the content of the alleged email
message, as I have no idea to which one you refer. Meanwhile, is it
your position that no one can voice an opinion about the Senate and
Nova Roma other than those that have been approved by the Senate? In
any case, two of the messages I have sent recently are appended to
this message. They serve as the boilerplates for the messages I have
been sending to dozens of people. I don't think they contain
anything that expresses disdain for the Senate or for Nova Roma, and
the facts speak for themselves: people are joining the California
Romana Yahoo Group.

Thirdly, the real issue ought to be the progress that is being made
to revive California Provincia, not my opinion or your opinion or
someone else's opinion. Everyone has one. In my report, I presented
facts. As we say in Los Angeles, let's stick to just the facts.

Finally, if you are genuinely interested in whatever issue you want
to raise, email me privately, and we'll work the problem discretely.

Optime vale,
M. Martianius Gangalius

----------

Salve!

I invite you to join the California Romana YahooGroup, dedicated to
developing romanitas in California. Our members include people from
the reenactment groups Legio VI Victrix, Legio IX Hispania, and Legio
X Fretensis Cohors IV, from the cultural organization Nova Roma, and
from the Julio-Claudian Iconographic Association historical research
group, as well as people independent of any group who are interested
in Roman history and culture. Message traffic is light and variable,
and we're a great place to keep up on Roman events around California.

Optime vale!
Marcus Martianius Gangalius

----------

Hello,

In view of your past association with Nova Roma, I thought you might
like to know that the former proconsul and I are leading an effort to
revive romanitas in California. We invite you to visit our new Yahoo
Group at <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CaliforniaRomana>. We have a
major northern California event in the early planning stage, which
may include Greek and Celtic groups as well as the three California legions.

Warmest regards,
Thomas Gangale


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Marco Martianio Gangalio salutem dicit
>
> I am interested in seeing the e-mails you sent out as part of your
> networking plan. One of those e-mails was forwarded to me and your
> treatment of the senate and of Nova Roma was not very good. Is it your plan
> to illustrate to non-Nova Romans your disdain for the senate of Nova Roma?
> Several senatores, including myself, were planning to gladly support you as
> provincial governor until this came to light.
>
> Vale:
>
> Modianus

"(ANSA) - Rome, August 1 - The John Paul Getty Museum has agreed to
return 40 allegedly looted antiquities to Italy including a
5th-century BC statue of Aphrodite, Italian Culture Minister Francesco
Rutelli announced on Wednesday."

The rest here:
http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2007-08-01_10192695.html

optime valete

Agricola

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Marco Martianio Gangalio salutem dicit

You can sugar coat the facts as much as you like. It is obvious that there
is a problem and hiding that problem will not make it go away. The senate
did not prorogue Q. Fabius Maximus as provincial governor, and the senate
did not approve you as the new governor. Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
appointed you as "accensus" over California in opposition to the will of the
senate. These are the facts as I see them. There is no working together,
the will of the senate has been subverted by a consul.

There is a reason why Q. Fabius Maximus was not prorogued and there was a
reason why you were not called as governor. It would be bad form for me to
post the message you sent to a non-NR citizen to this main list, but said
message you sent in efforts to network with other Romans was very critical
of the senate. The senate appoints governors and if you cannot present the
senate in such a light that appears favorable, at least to non-NR citizens,
then you have no place as a governor. You can complain all you want about
the senate to your NR friends and colleagues, we all do that. But how you
present Nova Roma to non-citizens is important. Do not lecture me on
discord, you are your colleague -- Q. Fabius Maximus -- seem to me to be
architects of discord.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 8/2/07, Marcus Martianius Gangalius <marcus@...> wrote:
>
> Marcus Martianius Gangalius Gaio Fabio Buteo Modiano salutem dicit
>
> First of all, with due respect, Senator, this sort of public comment
> only promotes more discord. I think Nova Roma would be a lot happier
> place if we could show that we are working together for the benefit of
> all.
>
> Secondly, I have no comment on the content of the alleged email
> message, as I have no idea to which one you refer. Meanwhile, is it
> your position that no one can voice an opinion about the Senate and
> Nova Roma other than those that have been approved by the Senate? In
> any case, two of the messages I have sent recently are appended to
> this message. They serve as the boilerplates for the messages I have
> been sending to dozens of people. I don't think they contain
> anything that expresses disdain for the Senate or for Nova Roma, and
> the facts speak for themselves: people are joining the California
> Romana Yahoo Group.
>
> Thirdly, the real issue ought to be the progress that is being made
> to revive California Provincia, not my opinion or your opinion or
> someone else's opinion. Everyone has one. In my report, I presented
> facts. As we say in Los Angeles, let's stick to just the facts.
>
> Finally, if you are genuinely interested in whatever issue you want
> to raise, email me privately, and we'll work the problem discretely.
>
> Optime vale,
> M. Martianius Gangalius
>
>
>
>


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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem IV Nones Sextilis; haec dies fastus est.

"Then there was flight in all directions; 7000 men escaped to the
smaller camp, 10,000 to the larger, and about 2000 to the village of
Cannae. These latter were at once surrounded by Carthalo and his
cavalry, as the village was quite unfortified. The other consul, who
either by accident or design had not joined any of these bodies of
fugitives, escaped with about fifty cavalry to Venusia; 45,500
infantry, 2700 cavalry - almost an equal proportion of Romans and
allies - are said to have been killed. Amongst the number were both
the quaestors attached to the consuls, L. Atilius and L. Furius
Bibulcus, twenty-nine military tribunes, several ex-consuls,
ex-praetors, and ex-aediles (amongst them are included Cn. Servilius
Geminus and M. Minucius, who was Master of the Horse the previous year
and, some years before that, consul), and in addition to these, eighty
men who had either been senators or filled offices qualifying them for
election to the senate and who had volunteered for service with the
legions. The prisoners taken in the battle are stated to have amounted
to 3000 infantry and 1500 cavalry. Never before, while the City
itself was still safe, had there been such excitement and panic within
its walls. I shall not attempt to describe it, nor will I weaken the
reality by going into detailsÂ… it was not wound upon wound but
multiplied disaster that was now announced. For according to the
reports two consular armies and two consuls were lost; there was no
longer any Roman camp, any general, any single soldier in existence;
Apulia, Samnium, almost the whole of Italy lay at Hannibal's feet.
Certainly there is no other nation that would not have succumbed
beneath such a weight of calamity." - Livy, History of Rome XXII.49-50

"Such was the end of the battle of Cannae, in which both sides fought
with the most conspicuous gallantry, the conquered no less than the
conquerors. This is proved by the fact that, out of six thousand
horse, only seventy escaped with Caius Terentius to Venusia, and about
three hundred of the allied cavalry to various towns in the
neighborhood. Of the infantry ten thousand were taken prisoners in
fair fight, but were not actually engaged in the battle: of those who
were actually engaged only about three thousand perhaps escaped to the
towns of the surrounding district; all the rest died nobly, to the
number of seventy thousand, the Carthaginians being on this occasion,
as on previous ones, mainly indebted for their victory to their
superiority in cavalry: a lesson to posterity that in actual war it is
better to have half the number of infantry, and the superiority in
cavalry, than to engage your enemy with an equality in both. On the
side of Hannibal there fell four thousand Celts, fifteen hundred
Iberians and Libyans, and about two hundred horse.

The ten thousand Romans who were captured had not, as I said, been
engaged in the actual battle; and the reason was this. Lucius Aemilius
left ten thousand infantry in his camp that, in case Hannibal should
disregard the safety of his own camp, and take his whole army onto the
field, they might seize the opportunity, while the battle was going
on, of forcing their way in and capturing the enemy's baggage; or if,
on the other hand, Hannibal should, in view of this contingency, leave
a guard in his camp, the number of the enemy in the field might
thereby be diminished. These men were captured in the field in the
following circumstances. Hannibal, as a matter of fact, did leave a
sufficient guard in his camp; and as soon as the battle began, the
Romans, according to their instructions, assaulted and tried to take
those thus left by Hannibal. At first they held their own: but just as
they were beginning to waver, Hannibal, who was by this time gaining a
victory all along the line, came to their relief, and routing the
Romans, shut them up in their own camp; killed two thousand of them;
and took all the rest prisoners. In like manner the Numidian horse
brought in all those who had taken refuge in the various strongholds
about the district, amounting to two thousand of the routed cavalry."
- Polyibius, "The Roman Histories" III.117

Today is the anniversary of the Battle of Cannae, the greatest defeat
Rome ever suffered. The newly elected Roman Consuls, Gaius Terentius
Varro and Lucius Aemilius Paullus, who had both run on a platform of
taking the war to Hannibal, were anxious to begin their tenure with
military achievement. Counter to the delaying tactics of the Dictator
Fabius Maximus, Varro and Paulus immediately formed a large force to
deal with the Carthaginians ravaging southern Italy. While ancient
sources offer conflicting reports, it can be safe to assume that
between the two, Consuls, they levied a force of nearly 80,000 men.

Hannibal meanwhile, still attempting to subvert Roman authority in the
allied areas of Italy, was waiting for the Roman with approximately
40,000 men; Gauls, Carthaginians and Numidian cavalry. Despite the
popular conception that the elephants played a major role in the
campaign, by this time, all of his elephants had died. Hannibal,
despite his numerical inferiority had such an overwhelming strategic
edge, that he was eager to meet the new Roman challenge.
Theoretically, the Roman tactic of crushing Hannibal between two large
armies should have spelled his doom, but Hannibal's brilliance allowed
him to turn the tables once the engagement got under way.

On August 2, 216 BC, in the Apulian plain, near Cannae and near the
mouth of the Aufidus River, the 2 great armies came face to face. The
Consul Varro was in command on the first day for the Romans, as the
consuls alternated commands as they marched. Paullus, it has been
suggested, was opposed to the engagement as it was taking shape, but
regardless still brought his force to bear. The two armies positioned
their lines and soon advanced against one another.

The cavalry was to meet first on the flanks. Hasdrubal, commanding the
Numidians, quickly overpowered the inferior Romans on the right flank
and routed them. Pushing them into the river and scattering any
opposing infantry in his path, Hasdrubal dominated the right flank and
was quickly able to get in the rear of the enemy lines. While the much
superior Numidians dealt quickly with their Roman counterparts, such
was not the case with the infantry.

As Hasdrubal was routing the Roman horse, the mass of infantry on both
sides advanced towards each other in the middle of the field. The
Iberian and Gallic Celts on the Carthaginian side, while fierce, were
no match for Roman armament and close-quartered combat. Initially, the
vast numerical advantage of the Legions pushed deep into the middle of
the Carthaginians. While the Celts were pushed back, they didn't
break, however. They held as firm as they could, while Hasdrubal's
cavalry pushed around to the rear of the enemy and the Carthaginian
infantry held firm on the immediate flanks. The Romans soon found that
their success in the middle was pushing them into a potential
disaster. As they victoriously fought farther into the center of
Hannibal's lines, they were actually walking themselves right into
being completely encircled.

Just as the Romans were on the brink of crushing the enemy center, the
Carthaginian flanks were brought to bear and the pressure pinned in
the Roman advance. Hasdrubals' cavalry completed the circle by forcing
the rear of the Roman line to turn back and form a square. All around,
the massive bulk of the Roman army was forced into confined space.
Hannibal brought his archers and slingers to bear and the result in
the confines was devastating. Unable to continue the original break
through against the Celts in the center of Hannibal's lines, the
Romans were easy prey for the Carthaginians. Hannibal, with complete
fury, encouraged his own men, under fear of the lash, if they weren't
zealous enough in the slaughter.

In the midst of the battle the Consul, Paullus, was wounded (either
early or late depending on Livy or Polybius as the source). He
valiantly attempted to maintain the Roman ranks, though vainly. While
the commander of the day, Varro, fled the battle, Paullus stayed the
course trying to save his army. In the end, it was a terrible
slaughter and Paullus would be dead with the bulk of his men. Romans
trying to escape were hamstrung as they ran, so the Carthaginians
could concentrate on those who were still fighting, but allow time to
return and kill the crippled later. In a fast and furious display of
death, Hannibal ordered his men to stand down only a few short hours
after they originally encircled the enemy.

On a small strip of land where the Romans were bottled up, estimates
as high as 60,000 corpses were piled one on top of another. Another
3,000 Romans were captured and more staggered into villages
surrounding the battlefield. Hannibal, however, still trying to win
the hearts of the Italian Roman allies, once again released the
prisoners, much to the dismay of his commanders. In salute to the
fallen Paullus, Hannibal also honored him with ceremonial rituals in
recognition of his valiant actions.

In the end, perhaps only as many as 15,000 Romans managed to escape
with Varro. These survivors were later reconstituted as two units and
assigned to Sicily for the remainder of the war as punishment for
their loss. Along with Paullus, both of the Quaestors were killed, as
well as 29 out of 48 military tribunes and an additional 80 other
senators (at a time when the Roman Senate was no more than 300 men).
The rings signifying membership in the Senate and from those of
Equestrian (Knight class or the elite class after Patrician) status
were collected from the dead in baskets and later thrown onto the
floor of the Carthaginian Senate in disrespect. In contrast,
Hannibal's losses numbered only between 6,000 and 7,000 men, of whom,
these were mostly his Celtic recruits. Once again Hannibal proved
brilliant in battlefield strategy, using the enemy's tactics against
itself and routing an army twice the size of his own. In less than a
year since the disaster at Trasimenus, the Roman's greatest loss was
in history put the state into a panic. There was nothing keeping
Hannibal from sacking Rome itself at this point, other than Hannibal.
His generals again urged him to not waste any more effort and go for
the final kill, but Hannibal was reluctant. Still believing he
couldn't take Rome itself, he preferred his strategy of pursuing
revolt among the Roman allies.

Despite this tremendous loss, the following defection of many allied
cities, and the declaration of war by Philip of Macedon that was soon
to come, the Romans showed a resiliency that defined them as people.
According to Livy, "No other nation in the world could have suffered
so tremendous a series of disasters and not been overwhelmed." The
truth of that nature was self evident. While some in the Senate, such
as Lucius Caecilius Metellus were ready to abandon the Republic as a
lost cause, others like Scipio propped up the flagging Roman spirit
with encouragement and undying oaths of loyalty to Rome.

Shortly after Cannae, the Romans rallied back, declaring full
mobilization. Another dictator, M. Junius Pera, was elected to
stabilize the Republic. New legions were raised with conscripts from
previous untouched citizen classes. As the land owning population was
heavily diminished by losses to Hannibal, the Romans took advantage of
the masses. Those in debt were released from their obligations,
non-land owners were recruited and even slaves were freed to join the
legions. In so doing, the Romans also refused to pay ransoms to
Hannibal for any captured legionaries who still remained. Hannibal, it
was suggested, lost his spirit, understanding that Rome would rather
sacrifice its own than surrender anything to him. While fortune would
still be with Hannibal for some time, the war of attrition would only
benefit Rome.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Livy, Polybius, Wikipedia

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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Publius Memmius Albucius
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 6:51 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Temple for the Gods in Rome projects



P. Memmius Albucius Hortensiae s.d.

Interesting idea, which needs a good 'candidacy file' to be backed
up, specially in our Senate.

Good luck to both of you.

Concerning the submission to the Senate, which consul has accepted to
support the project ?

Vale Maior,

P. Memmius Albucius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com,
"Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
> M. Hortensia T. Flavio Quiritibus spd;
> I have been reading the NRItali list recently & they

are

> finally starting to talk about the cultus deorum, this project has
> sparked pride & real interest.
> Cives complain, NR is just internet etc...well here is a
> real project. If the Greeks managed to get the authorities of

Greece

> to let them use a state-owned temple, it must be easier in Rome as
> the city sponsored a neo-pagan summer solstice festival. Wonderful.
>
> And below is a link to our Greek cousins from YSEE having ritual in
> Southern Italy
>
> http://www.ysee <http://www.ysee.gr/index.php?type=d&f=sikelia07>

gr/index.php?type=d&f=sikelia07

>
> This could be us in Rome.
> I would expect all our religious officials to support this

fantastic

> project. I'm helping Aquila with the charter so we may submit it to
> the Senate.
> Actions not Words!
> M. Hortensia Maior
> producer 'Vox Romana'
> website address is http://www.insulaum

<http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/> bra.com/voxromana/ . The

> address for RSS syndication is
> http://www.insulaum <http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/podcast.xml>

bra.com/voxromana/podcast.xml .

>
> 'Temple for the Gods' project!
>
>
> > There is just a simple question, do we want a real temple for the
> > Gods in Rome in the eternal City – could there be a more nobler
> > place - for all of our worldwide citizens ? Or don't we ?
> >
> > If the answer is yes, let us unite in the common goal to get a
> > temple for our gods, provide us with your help, ideas and

support .

> >
> > If the answer is no, and we deny a real temple for the Roman

Gods,

> > than we have to decide which way Nova Roma will go.
> >
> > I have joined Nova Roma - as well as others - for the Religio
> > Romana, in fact this was one of the main reasons (besides the
> > interest in the Roman republic and in politics ) to join and I
> would
> > like to see our Gods honored in a real temple.
> >
> > Let's unite all Romans in a common goal, let's give our Gods a
> > temple in Rome.
> >
> > I admire Titus Iulius Sabinus and all other Nova Roma citizens

who

> > have worked hard to get the MMP project started and to keep it
> > alive, but it seems to me that this project is a long-term

project

> > and it is questionable if there ever will be a public worship
> > possible.
> >
> > Why not support the project a Temple for the Gods in Rome , here
> we
> > have a short- term solution for the public worship. There are
> > existing temples in Rome which are not in ruins and it seems to

be

> > possible to receive the permission to perform a public worship to
> > the Roman Gods right there.
> > Or a parcel of land could be bought in Rome to create a fanum,
> than
> > a wooden temple and onwards. It should be possible to have the
> > temple or fanum by next year ! I am willing to donate for the
> Temple
> > for the Gods project and so I know others will.
> >
> > There is Italian support for our project and Nova Roma will
> receive
> > a worldwide publicity.
> >
> > So let's go for both projects, the Temple for the Gods and the
> Magna
> > Mater Project, one short- term and the other one as a long-term
> > project.
> >
> > I call upon you once again Quirites , please support us with your
> > ideas, help and your encouragement to achieve our goal, the first
> > real temple for worshipping of the Roman Gods in Rome in 1600
> years
> > and strengthen the pact with our Gods.
> >
> > Marca Hortensia Maior I thank you very much for your support !
> >
> > It is our aim to present to the Patres et conscripti our project
> > proposal for the Temple of the Gods in Rome within the next

senate

> > session.
> >
> > May Dii Immortales grant the Senate & People of Nova Roma all
> > strength and wisdom to favor our projects.
> >
> > Valete optime
> > Diis bene iuvantibus sumus
> >
> > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > Civis Provinciae Germaniae
> >
>

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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Kling (Modianus)
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:53 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] California Provincia Progress Report



Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Marco Martianio Gangalio salutem dicit

I am interested in seeing the e-mails you sent out as part of your
networking plan. One of those e-mails was forwarded to me and your
treatment of the senate and of Nova Roma was not very good. Is it your plan
to illustrate to non-Nova Romans your disdain for the senate of Nova Roma?
Several senatores, including myself, were planning to gladly support you as
provincial governor until this came to light.

Vale:

Modianus

On 8/1/07, Marcus Martianius Gangalius <marcus@martiana.
<mailto:marcus%40martiana.org> org> wrote:

>
> A great deal of work remains ahead, but all trends are
> positive. California is coming back. There will be more progress to
> report later in the year as we put together a management team with
> better local contacts. However, it cannot be stressed too strongly
> that what has been accomplished in the past six months would not have
> been possible without the advice and network of contacts of Quintus
> Fabius Maximus, and it is my opinion that Fabius should be restored
> as governor of California.
>
> Optime valete,
> M. Martianius Gangalius
> Legatus Consularis
>

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Salvete,

I read the following:

> In view of your past association with Nova Roma, I thought you might
> like to know that the former proconsul and I are leading an effort
> to revive romanitas in California. We invite you to visit our new
> Yahoo Group at <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CaliforniaRomana>.
> We have a major northern California event in the early planning
> stage, which may include Greek and Celtic groups as well as the
> three California legions.

Interesting. It's very much akin to a recruiter cold-calling his
former employee's list of clients, after having been released and
absconding with the list in an effort to set up a new agency in
direct conflict with the former.

I will not mince words. This letter is NOT an attempt at NovaRoma
revitalization. It IS an attempt to create a new group, where
"romanitas" is merely a component of a new kind of reenactment
society. The inclusion of Greek and Celtic legions up front clearly
demonstrates that this isn't a revitalization of NovaRoma or even
"romanitas."

The tone of the letter also gambles that one of the founders, having
been a former proconsul of NovaRoma, will lend clout to this endeavor,
while also implying that NovaRoma no longer exists in California.

It doesn't bad-mouth NovaRoma per se, but it does imply impotence
and abandonment, and that a new order is forming to fill some
perceived gap.

This letter openly addresses the creation of a new reenactment
society with a Greek part, a Celtic part, and a Roman part. And
it's the Roman part that this letter attempts to address.

It's secession, pure and simple, but it shouldn't be done on the
bones of the living. That lacks dignitas, and is a most disgusting
practice.

Shocked & Dismayed,
Q. Valerius Callidus

Salvete Nova Romans

Does anybody know of an online coy of Cesare Maccari, Quo usque tandem
(1882-1888, Sala Maccari in the Italian Senate, Rome) that is in the public
domain?

Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

In a message dated 8/2/2007 7:56:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Velaki@...
writes:

The tone of the letter also gambles that one of the founders, having
been a former proconsul of NovaRoma, will lend clout to this endeavor,
while also implying that NovaRoma no longer exists in California.

It doesn't bad-mouth NovaRoma per se, but it does imply impotence
and abandonment, and that a new order is forming to fill some
perceived gap.

Salvete,

I'm shocked that you are shocked. If you are going to revive a group of
disgruntled former employees you have to offer them something other the same old
thing for which they resigned in the first place. So we are reaching out to
anyone interested in Rome and Roman history. Once we can shore up that bridge,
then we can talk about additional steps.

They are all aware of Nova Roma though. Many Legionarii of the IX were
members until actions by NR they disliked forced them to vote with their feet and
leave. The Celtics also had several members in Nova Roma.

Interestingly, we are following the blue print that the Senate's choice
himself was going to follow.

As for your accusation that Martianius' " letter openly addresses the
creation of a new reenactment society with a Greek part, a Celtic part, and a Roman
part. And
it's the Roman part that this letter attempts to address.

It's secession, pure and simple, but it shouldn't be done on the
bones of the living. That lacks dignitas, and is a most disgusting
practice."

Come now Valerius! If Martianius was indeed doing this "secession," do you
not think he'd be a bit more subtle? The man does work for the Democratic
Party after all. He'd not be so transparent. Political operators tend to be sly.
Martianius has done exactly what he said he would do. Nothing more. He said
he would reorganize the province, discover the former members of NR still
living here, and invite them to join the reorganization. He never said that NR
would regain all its former members in two weeks. That is impossible.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus












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P. Memmius Albucius Consuli Galerio s.d.

If I have well understood, you are looking for a free of rights copy
of this picture ?

Vale,


Memmius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete Nova Romans
>
> Does anybody know of an online coy of Cesare Maccari, Quo usque

tandem

> (1882-1888, Sala Maccari in the Italian Senate, Rome) that is in

the public

> domain?
>
> Valete
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>

Marcus Martianius Gangalius Gaio Fabio Buteo Modiano salutem dicit

A US Secretary of State, Henry Stimson, once remarked, "Gentlemen do
not read each other's mail." You claim to have read mail that I sent
to someone else. If the claim is true, it reflects on you in one
way; if the claim is false, it reflects on you in another way. I
invited you to contact me privately, so that we could work the
problem discretely. You chose to continue this public posturing to
score political points, and that too reflects on you. I would like
to reach an accommodation with you, but this public bickering will
not achieve it. Let's stop this unproductive activity and work
together for the good of Nova Roma.

Or not. With or without your help, California Provincia is coming back.

And, let's get one final point straight. I'm not particularly
interested in being the governor of California... unless it is as
successor to Arnold Schwarzenegger. I'm involved in a lot of
projects these days, and between them, not a week goes by that I
don't interact with either a former or sitting US senator (a real
senator), member of Congress, or member of some state legislature. A
recent case in point: a state senator representing San Francisco
sent out an invitation for a campaign fundraising event, which listed
me as a host; I never authorized that, but rather than issue a public
disclaimer and cause a lot of hard feelings, I figured I'd chalk it
up to an innocent error and let it ride (once again, my point, work
the problem behind the scenes), and meanwhile, her challengers are
beating on my door for my endorsement. The latest case in
point: this morning, former US senator, US secretary of labor, US
trade representative, and chair of the Republican National Committee,
William Brock, replied to my request to review my book on reforming
the presidential nomination process, which is scheduled for
publication at the end of the year, "I am honored to be considered.
Yes, I would love to see the manuscript, and will try to look
quickly. I am confident I will endorse the basic message."

I don't need Nova Roma for self-gratification and
self-aggrandizement, and the idea that I'm working to create a new
organization to the detriment of Nova Roma is a paranoid delusion. I
get my ya-yas elsewhere. Back in February, Galerius had to twist my
arm to get involved in Nova Roma again. It's probably not the wisest
decision I've ever made, but given that my citizen number is 173, I
suppose it's natural that I should have a soft spot for Nova
Roma. I'm happy to to donate some of my organizational and
managerial skills to the process of rebuilding California Provincia,
but it's not my life's work. As James Garner said in one of his
movies, "Basically, I'm just on my way to Australia."

Vale
Marcus Martianius Gangalius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Marco Martianio Gangalio salutem dicit
>
> You can sugar coat the facts as much as you like. It is obvious that there
> is a problem and hiding that problem will not make it go away. The senate
> did not prorogue Q. Fabius Maximus as provincial governor, and the senate
> did not approve you as the new governor. Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> appointed you as "accensus" over California in opposition to the will of the
> senate. These are the facts as I see them. There is no working together,
> the will of the senate has been subverted by a consul.
>
> There is a reason why Q. Fabius Maximus was not prorogued and there was a
> reason why you were not called as governor. It would be bad form for me to
> post the message you sent to a non-NR citizen to this main list, but said
> message you sent in efforts to network with other Romans was very critical
> of the senate. The senate appoints governors and if you cannot present the
> senate in such a light that appears favorable, at least to non-NR citizens,
> then you have no place as a governor. You can complain all you want about
> the senate to your NR friends and colleagues, we all do that. But how you
> present Nova Roma to non-citizens is important. Do not lecture me on
> discord, you are your colleague -- Q. Fabius Maximus -- seem to me to be
> architects of discord.
>
> Vale:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

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M. Hortensia Q. Fabio quiritibusque spd;

Q. Fabi Maxime you are a pontiff: Where is the support of the CP
for The Temple of the Gods Project? Even in its initial stages, a
civis like Aquila & the Itali deserve warm praise from the Collegium
Pontificorum for their efforts.

M.Hortensia Maior
producer 'Vox Romana'podcast
website address is http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/ . The
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http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/podcast.xml .

>
> I'm shocked that you are shocked. If you are going to revive a

group of

> disgruntled former employees you have to offer them something

other the same old

> thing for which they resigned in the first place. So we are

reaching out to

> anyone interested in Rome and Roman history. Once we can shore up

that bridge,

> then we can talk about additional steps.
>
> They are all aware of Nova Roma though. Many Legionarii of the IX

were

> members until actions by NR they disliked forced them to vote with

their feet and

> leave. The Celtics also had several members in Nova Roma.
>
> Interestingly, we are following the blue print that the Senate's

choice

> himself was going to follow.
>
> As for your accusation that Martianius' " letter openly addresses

the

> creation of a new reenactment society with a Greek part, a Celtic

part, and a Roman

> part. And
> it's the Roman part that this letter attempts to address.
>
> It's secession, pure and simple, but it shouldn't be done on the
> bones of the living. That lacks dignitas, and is a most disgusting
> practice."
>
> Come now Valerius! If Martianius was indeed doing

this "secession," do you

> not think he'd be a bit more subtle? The man does work for the

Democratic

> Party after all. He'd not be so transparent. Political operators

tend to be sly.

> Martianius has done exactly what he said he would do. Nothing

more. He said

> he would reorganize the province, discover the former members of

NR still

> living here, and invite them to join the reorganization. He never

said that NR

> would regain all its former members in two weeks. That is

impossible.

>
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

Salve P. Memmius Albucius

I have found out who owns the copyright to the picture in question
and I will be talking to them abouts its use.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
<albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

>
> P. Memmius Albucius Consuli Galerio s.d.
>
> If I have well understood, you are looking for a free of rights

copy

> of this picture ?
>
> Vale,
>
>
> Memmius
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete Nova Romans
> >
> > Does anybody know of an online coy of Cesare Maccari, Quo usque
> tandem
> > (1882-1888, Sala Maccari in the Italian Senate, Rome) that is in
> the public
> > domain?
> >
> > Valete
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
>

Hey guys, I'm a new-- and excited!-- member, here. So, I thought I'd
pose a quick question: I am in the process of making an incense, and I
am looking for herbs that were dedicated to Mercury by the Romans in
one form or another. Now, I have *heard* that marjoram, Myrtle, Dill
and Black Hellbore [an uber-toxin!] were dedicated to Him; but I was
wondering where I might find this information through some source
material, and any other herbs that may have been dedicated to Him as
well. (I am particularly seeking to commune with His "aspect" as a
God of business, commerce, trade and employment at the present.)
Thank you for your aid and advice.

Take Care,
Wade MacMorrighan

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
> M. Hortensia Q. Fabio quiritibusque spd;
>
> Q. Fabi Maxime you are a pontiff: Where is the support of the CP
> for The Temple of the Gods Project? Even in its initial stages, a
> civis like Aquila & the Itali deserve warm praise from the Collegium
> Pontificorum for their efforts.
>
> M.Hortensia Maior
>
>
>

Salve M.Hortensia Maior

hmm well back in the mists of time when there was a cornelia or two
Collegium Pontificorum ( yes i was there { and yes I am that cornelian
we TRY$ED FOR OVER THREE YEARS to get the people of Novaroma support
for a The Temple of the Gods Project. and NR had a lot more people
back then who cared( so they said)but no-one had money or time for it.
I and i think the CP burned out on the Project , i know i spent 500
hours on it my self in that 3 year time.
show us the money and i think the priesthood( as i am part of that
group) can do something. as till then we the priesthood are busy
helping people with there needs .very little time for big Projects
till we get funds
vale M.C.F.

M. Hortensia M. Cornelio spd;
if you read the project, a central point is to petition the
city gov't of Rome to let the NRItali & other cultores use an
EXISTING temple.

Did you click the link to the YSEE pictures? They are worshipping
at an old Roman temple in Sicily, so costs would be low. Also in
Europe the city gov't sometimes funds such projects. The technical
things will be done on the ground by the Itali & supporters like
Aquila.

The CP can support it & once we are offical perhaps pay Aquila's
airfare if he goes to Rome to meet & organize. Surely that's not
asking too much;-)
bene vale in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior

> Salve M.Hortensia Maior
>
> hmm well back in the mists of time when there was a cornelia or two
> Collegium Pontificorum ( yes i was there { and yes I am that

cornelian

> we TRY$ED FOR OVER THREE YEARS to get the people of Novaroma

support

> for a The Temple of the Gods Project. and NR had a lot more people
> back then who cared( so they said)but no-one had money or time for

it.

> I and i think the CP burned out on the Project , i know i spent 500
> hours on it my self in that 3 year time.
> show us the money and i think the priesthood( as i am part of that
> group) can do something. as till then we the priesthood are busy
> helping people with there needs .very little time for big Projects
> till we get funds
> vale M.C.F.
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
> M. Hortensia M. Cornelio spd;
> if you read the project, a central point is to petition the
> city gov't of Rome to let the NRItali & other cultores use an
> EXISTING temple.
>
> Did you click the link to the YSEE pictures? They are worshipping
> at an old Roman temple in Sicily, so costs would be low. Also in
> Europe the city gov't sometimes funds such projects. The technical
> things will be done on the ground by the Itali & supporters like
> Aquila.
>
> The CP can support it & once we are offical perhaps pay Aquila's
> airfare if he goes to Rome to meet & organize. Surely that's not
> asking too much;-)
> bene vale in pacem deorum
> M. Hortensia Maior

BEFORE we can do that novaroma IE the Senate as the BOD needs to get
it's act going and file as a corp in the EU thats park of the "The
technical

> things will be done on the ground" and only the NR Senate as the BOD

can do this.

>

once we are offical is when the BOD says go file the paperwork not
before all the other stuff is of no import till that time.
hell i been trying to get BOD to give me the info i need to file a NR
summer market. i have framers who sell stuff the romans would have
seen in there markets etc..
had a framers market here two month ago and if NR had it act in gig
they would have had $2,500 for beening the "HOST"
i beening trying to start up things for years and the BOD does not
care or know what is needed.
M.C.F

>
> > Salve M.Hortensia Maior
> >
> > hmm well back in the mists of time when there was a cornelia or two
> > Collegium Pontificorum ( yes i was there { and yes I am that
> cornelian
> > we TRY$ED FOR OVER THREE YEARS to get the people of Novaroma
> support
> > for a The Temple of the Gods Project. and NR had a lot more people
> > back then who cared( so they said)but no-one had money or time for
> it.
> > I and i think the CP burned out on the Project , i know i spent 500
> > hours on it my self in that 3 year time.
> > show us the money and i think the priesthood( as i am part of that
> > group) can do something. as till then we the priesthood are busy
> > helping people with there needs .very little time for big Projects
> > till we get funds
> > vale M.C.F.
> >
>

M. Hortensia M. Cornelio sd;
it isn't necessary at all. NRItalia & its group is
registered in Italy and is working with other recognized Italian
groups. Aquila is on the job & extremely efficient.
Cooperation & good will & energy is the key.
Let's see the CP give its encouragement for such a great project!
M. Hortensia Maior

Facta non Verba
'deeds not words'

>
> BEFORE we can do that novaroma IE the Senate as the BOD needs to

get

> it's act going and file as a corp in the EU thats park of the "The
> technical
> > things will be done on the ground" and only the NR Senate as the

BOD

> can do this.
> >
> once we are offical is when the BOD says go file the paperwork not
> before all the other stuff is of no import till that time.
> hell i been trying to get BOD to give me the info i need to file a

NR

> summer market. i have framers who sell stuff the romans would have
> seen in there markets etc..
> had a framers market here two month ago and if NR had it act in gig
> they would have had $2,500 for beening the "HOST"
> i beening trying to start up things for years and the BOD does not
> care or know what is needed.
> M.C.F
>
>
>
>
> >
> > > Salve M.Hortensia Maior
> > >
> > > hmm well back in the mists of time when there was a cornelia

or two

> > > Collegium Pontificorum ( yes i was there { and yes I am that
> > cornelian
> > > we TRY$ED FOR OVER THREE YEARS to get the people of Novaroma
> > support
> > > for a The Temple of the Gods Project. and NR had a lot more

people

> > > back then who cared( so they said)but no-one had money or time

for

> > it.
> > > I and i think the CP burned out on the Project , i know i

spent 500

> > > hours on it my self in that 3 year time.
> > > show us the money and i think the priesthood( as i am part of

that

> > > group) can do something. as till then we the priesthood are

busy

> > > helping people with there needs .very little time for big

Projects

> > > till we get funds
> > > vale M.C.F.
> > >
> >
>

Salvete,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:
>
> I'm shocked that you are shocked. If you are going to revive a
group of
> disgruntled former employees you have to offer them something other
the same old

Disgruntled? Same old? Why not work within the system rather than
resort to nothing less than open revolution at the first opportunity?
I'm all for change, but I really believe that secession like this is
less American Revolutionary War, and more akin to the American Civil
War.

> thing for which they resigned in the first place. So we are
reaching out to

Sophistry.

No. Stereotypes and misdirections.

Sugar-coated zeefleshnobzap is STILL zeefleshnobzap.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy into any of this supposed selfless
savior-styled rhetoric and apologistic tone.

> not think he'd be a bit more subtle? The man does work for the
Democratic
> Party after all. He'd not be so transparent. Political operators
tend to be sly.

As for membership in the Democratic Party being something by which one
can make some kind of association about the character of the person
performing the actions, to which party are you referring? The
American one circa 2007 or perhaps the German one circa 1938? The
interpretation of the person's character might depend on conveying
that in a most efficient and precise manner.

Q. Valerius Callidus

> anyone interested in Rome and Roman history. Once we can shore up
that bridge,
> then we can talk about additional steps.

Rhetoric. Condescend to me not, and simply be honorable and truthful.
Then, perhaps, respect will be granted in kind. As for "shoring up
bridges," you have set them alit. You are caught with torch in hand,
so please do not try to hide what was done here. That not only
insults me, but the citizens of NovaRoma as a whole.


> he would reorganize the province, discover the former members of NR
still
> living here, and invite them to join the reorganization. He never
said that NR
> would regain all its former members in two weeks. That is impossible.

I never asked that he would do such a thing. But to make it look like
I set some kind of task, that I had some kind of expectation, is
laughable. And if you merely stop to read what you just wrote, then
you'll clearly see that ANYONE will be able to figure out through all
the pretty words that your "reorganization" is simply a ploy to create
your own empire.

And that's ok. Just be open about it. I don't care about people
being wily, after all, Odysseus was quite gifted, but I have a problem
with revisionist history approach to cover it up like child caught
with his hand in the cookie jar.

I'm done with this cesspool of intrigue. I'm going to stick with
being a plain, vanilla citizen for the meanwhile. If needed, I'll
leave my fields like Cincinnatus; then, returning when no longer needed.

Valete,
Q. Valerius Callidus

I will be out of the office starting 03-08-2007 and will not return until
07-08-2007.

Please contact Mr.Tom Placidus, Ex. 3552
Thank you and have a nice day

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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Sextilis; haec dies comitialis est.

"For when the sun was suddenly obscured and darkness reigned, and the
Athenians were overwhelmed with the greatest terror. Pericles, who was
then supreme among his countrymen in influence, eloquence, and wisdom,
is said to have communicated to his fellow-citizens the information he
had received from Anaxagoras, whose pupil he had been -- that this
phenomenon occurs at fixed periods and by inevitable law, whenever the
moon passes entirely beneath the orb of the sun." - Cicero, De Rerum
Naturae; on this day in 431 BC an eclipse occurred.

"And Leto was joined in love with Zeus who holds the aigis, and bare
Apollon and Artemis Iokheaira (delighting in arrows), children lovely
above all the sons of Heaven." - Hesiod, Theogony 918

"Blessed Leto, you bare glorious children, the lord Apollon and
Artemis Iokheaira (who delights in arrows); her in Ortygia, and him in
rocky Delos." - Homeric Hymn 3 to Delian Apollo

"Neat-ankled Leto bare children [Apollon & Artemis] supreme among the
immortals both in thought and in deed." - Homeric Hymn 27 to Artemis
14

"Hail. O heaven-built isle, most lovely scion of the children of
bright-haired Leto, O daughter of the sea, thou unmoved marvel of the
spacious earth, by mortal men called Delos, but by the blessed gods of
Olympos known as the far-seen star (astra) of the dark-blue sea ...
For aforetime, that isle was tossed on the waves by all manner of
whirling winds; but, when Leto, the daughter of Koios, in the frenzy
of her imminent pangs of travail, set foot on her, then it was that
four lofty pillars rose from the roots of earth, and on their capitals
held up the rock with their adamantine bases. There it was that she
gave birth to, and beheld, her blessed offspring [Apollon and
Artemis]." - Pindar, Processional Song on Delos

"Artemis became a practised huntress [after her birth] and remained a
virgin." - Apollodorus, The Library 1.21

"[Artemis] sitting on her father's knees - still a little maid - she
spake these words to her sire [Zeus]: `Give me to keep my maidenhood,
Father, forever ... And her father smiled and bowed assent." -
Callimachus, Hymn 3 to Artemis

"And both Athene and Artemis ... made the same choice of maidenhood as
had Kore and were reared together with her." - Diodorus Siculus,
Library of History 5.2.3

In Greece today was the Festival of Artemis, known to the Romans as
Diana. Artemis is the virgin daughter of Zeus and Leto (Latona), by
the common account born a twin-sister of Apollo, and just before him,
at Delos. The Ortygia named in another tradition as her birthplace was
interpreted to mean Delos, though several other places where the
worship of Artemis had long prevailed put forward pretensions to that
name and its mythological renown, especially the well-known island of
Ortygia off Syracuse. She, as well as her mother, was worshipped
jointly with her brother at Delos, Delphi, and all the most venerable
spots where Apollo was honoured. She is armed, as he is, with bow and
arrows, which, like him, and often together with him, she wields
against monsters and giants; hence the pæan was chanted to her as well
as to him. Like those of Apollo, the shafts of Artemis were regarded
as the cause of sudden death, especially to maidens and wives. But she
was also a beneficent and helpful deity. As Apollo is the luminous god
of day, she with her torch is a goddess of light by night, and in
course of time becomes identified with all possible goddesses of moon
and night.

Her proper domain is that of nature, with its hills and valleys,
woods, meadows, rivers, and fountains; there, amid her nymphs, herself
the fairest and tallest, she is a mighty huntress, sometimes chasing
wild animals, sometimes dancing, playing, or bathing with her
companions. Her favourite haunt was thought to be the mountains and
forests of Arcadia, where, in many spots, she had sanctuaries,
consecrated hunting-grounds, and sacred animals. To her, as goddess of
the forest and the chase, all beasts of the woods and fields --in
fact, all game -- were dear and sacred; but her favourite animal was
held all over Greece to be the hind. From this sacred animal and the
hunting of it, the month which the other Greeks called Artemision or
Artemisios (March-April) was named by the Athenians Elaphebolion, and
her festival as goddess of game and hunting, at which deer or cakes in
the shape of deer were offered up, Elaphebolia. As goddess of the
chase, she had also some influence in war, and the Spartans before
battle sought her favour by the gift of a she-goat. Miltiades, too,
before the battle of Marathon, had vowed to her as many goats as there
should be enemies fallen on the field; but the number proving so great
that the vow could not be kept, five hundred goats were sacrificed at
each anniversary of the victory in the month of Boedromion. Again, she
was much worshipped as the goddess of the moon. At Amarynthus in
Euboea the whole island kept holiday to her with processions and
prize-fights. At Munychia in Attica, at full moon in the month of
Munychion (April-May), large round loaves or cakes, decked all around
with lights as a symbol of her own luminary, were borne in procession
and presented to her; and at the same time was solemnized the festival
of the victory of Salamis in Cyprus, because on that occasion the
goddess had shone in her full glory on the Greeks. An ancient shrine
of the Moon-goddess at Brauron in Attica was held in such veneration
that the Brauronia, originally a merely local festival, was afterwards
made a public ceremony, to which Athens itself sent deputies every
five years, and a precinct was dedicated to "Artemis of Brauron" on
the Acropolis itself. At this feast the girls between five and ten
years of age, clad in saffron-coloured garments, were conducted by
their mothers in procession to the goddess and commended to her care;
for Artemis is also a protectress of youth, especially those of her
own sex. As such she patronized a nurses' festival at Sparta in a
temple outside the town, to which little boys were brought by their
nurses; while the Ionians at their Apaturia presented her with the
hair of boys. Almost everywhere young girls revered the virgin goddess
as the guardian of their maiden years, and before marriage they
offered up to her a lock of their hair, their girdle, and their maiden
garment. She was also worshipped in many parts as the goddess of good
repute, especially in youths and maidens, and was regarded as an enemy
of all disorderly doings.

With her attributes as the goddess of the moon, and as the promoter of
healthy development, especially in the female frame, is connected the
notion of her assisting in childbirth. In early times human
sacrifices had been offered to Artemis. A relic of this was the yearly
custom observed at Sparta of flogging the boys till they bled at the
altar of a deity not unknown elsewhere and named Artemis Orthia (the
upright), probably from her stiff posture in the antiquated wooden
image. At Sparta, as in other places, the ancient image was looked
upon as the same which Iphigenia and Orestes brought away from Tauris
(the Crimea) -- viz., that of the Tanric Artemis, a Scythian deity who
was identified with Artemis because of the human sacrifices common in
her worship. The Artemis of Ephesus, too, so greatly honoured by all
the Ionians of Asia (Acts, xix. 28), is no Greek divinity, but
Asiatic.

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Cicero, Pausanius, Apollodorus, Homer, Callimachus, Diodorus Siculus,
Hesiod, Pindar, Wikipedia

What a rather odd email. He tried to sound witty, but instead sounded paranoid and childish. The "open revolution" bit was particularly funny.

(to everyone)Could the inane arguments over what is trying to be done in calfornia be concluded please? It'll do wonders for your reputation. But I'm going to guess that y'all will keep arguing over this stuff anyway...

-Annia Minucia Marcella

----- Original Message -----
From: os390account
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:54 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: California Provincia Progress Report


Salvete,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:
>
> I'm shocked that you are shocked. If you are going to revive a
group of
> disgruntled former employees you have to offer them something other
the same old

Disgruntled? Same old? Why not work within the system rather than
resort to nothing less than open revolution at the first opportunity?
I'm all for change, but I really believe that secession like this is
less American Revolutionary War, and more akin to the American Civil
War.

> thing for which they resigned in the first place. So we are
reaching out to

Sophistry.

No. Stereotypes and misdirections.

Sugar-coated zeefleshnobzap is STILL zeefleshnobzap.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy into any of this supposed selfless
savior-styled rhetoric and apologistic tone.

> not think he'd be a bit more subtle? The man does work for the
Democratic
> Party after all. He'd not be so transparent. Political operators
tend to be sly.

As for membership in the Democratic Party being something by which one
can make some kind of association about the character of the person
performing the actions, to which party are you referring? The
American one circa 2007 or perhaps the German one circa 1938? The
interpretation of the person's character might depend on conveying
that in a most efficient and precise manner.

Q. Valerius Callidus

> anyone interested in Rome and Roman history. Once we can shore up
that bridge,
> then we can talk about additional steps.

Rhetoric. Condescend to me not, and simply be honorable and truthful.
Then, perhaps, respect will be granted in kind. As for "shoring up
bridges," you have set them alit. You are caught with torch in hand,
so please do not try to hide what was done here. That not only
insults me, but the citizens of NovaRoma as a whole.

> he would reorganize the province, discover the former members of NR
still
> living here, and invite them to join the reorganization. He never
said that NR
> would regain all its former members in two weeks. That is impossible.

I never asked that he would do such a thing. But to make it look like
I set some kind of task, that I had some kind of expectation, is
laughable. And if you merely stop to read what you just wrote, then
you'll clearly see that ANYONE will be able to figure out through all
the pretty words that your "reorganization" is simply a ploy to create
your own empire.

And that's ok. Just be open about it. I don't care about people
being wily, after all, Odysseus was quite gifted, but I have a problem
with revisionist history approach to cover it up like child caught
with his hand in the cookie jar.

I'm done with this cesspool of intrigue. I'm going to stick with
being a plain, vanilla citizen for the meanwhile. If needed, I'll
leave my fields like Cincinnatus; then, returning when no longer needed.

Valete,
Q. Valerius Callidus





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Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Anniae Minuciae Marcellae salutem dicit

I'm not sure if its "open revolution," but what it is about is two
individuals who were rejected by the senate but supported by one of our
consuls who are now working to "rebuild" a province they (at least one of
them) helped to see collapse. There is a reason why Q. Fabius Maximus was
not prorogued, he didn't have the confidence of the majority of the senate
and there were reasons for this decision. Likewise, the same is true of the
other fellow from California participating in this thread.

If Consul Paulinus would have listened to the will of the senate this "dirty
laundry" might not have been presented on the main list. These two
individuals need to do the honorable thing and accept the will of the
senate, and take a step back.

Vale:

Modianus

On 8/3/07, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
>
> What a rather odd email. He tried to sound witty, but instead sounded
> paranoid and childish. The "open revolution" bit was particularly funny.
>
> (to everyone)Could the inane arguments over what is trying to be done in
> calfornia be concluded please? It'll do wonders for your reputation. But I'm
> going to guess that y'all will keep arguing over this stuff anyway...
>
> -Annia Minucia Marcella
>
>
>
>


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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>

Salvete,

I wasn't trying to sound witty. Noble citizens, please accept my
apologies for ranting about politics.

Mea culpa valeteque,
Q. Valerius Callidus

> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Anniae Minuciae Marcellae salutem dicit
>
> I'm not sure if its "open revolution," but what it is about is two
> individuals who were rejected by the senate but supported by one of our
> consuls who are now working to "rebuild" a province they (at least

one of

> them) helped to see collapse. There is a reason why Q. Fabius

Maximus was

> not prorogued, he didn't have the confidence of the majority of the

senate

> and there were reasons for this decision. Likewise, the same is

true of the

> other fellow from California participating in this thread.
>
> If Consul Paulinus would have listened to the will of the senate

this "dirty

> laundry" might not have been presented on the main list. These two
> individuals need to do the honorable thing and accept the will of the
> senate, and take a step back.
>
> Vale:
>
> Modianus
>
> On 8/3/07, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
> >
> > What a rather odd email. He tried to sound witty, but instead

sounded

> > paranoid and childish. The "open revolution" bit was particularly

funny.

> >
> > (to everyone)Could the inane arguments over what is trying to be

done in

> > calfornia be concluded please? It'll do wonders for your

reputation. But I'm

> > going to guess that y'all will keep arguing over this stuff anyway...
> >
> > -Annia Minucia Marcella
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

A demagogue decries past wrongs; a statesman conjures a just future.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Anniae Minuciae Marcellae salutem dicit
>
> I'm not sure if its "open revolution," but what it is about is two
> individuals who were rejected by the senate but supported by one of our
> consuls who are now working to "rebuild" a province they (at least one of
> them) helped to see collapse. There is a reason why Q. Fabius Maximus was
> not prorogued, he didn't have the confidence of the majority of the senate
> and there were reasons for this decision. Likewise, the same is true of the
> other fellow from California participating in this thread.
>
> If Consul Paulinus would have listened to the will of the senate this "dirty
> laundry" might not have been presented on the main list. These two
> individuals need to do the honorable thing and accept the will of the
> senate, and take a step back.
>
> Vale:
>
> Modianus

Salve Quinte Valeri Callide

Apology graciously accepted. Last month, I had a fellow Executive
Committee member of our local Democratic Party--a former
mayor--ranted at me in one of our meetings that I had an agenda to
alter the form of government of the United States.

Point 1: Since I get ranted at in person, an email rant is pretty
pale stuff by comparison.

Point 2: Yes. I do have such an agenda. Some of us feel that the
form of government of the United States could use a little
alteration... raise the hemline, less padding in the shoulders, et cetera.

Point 3: The true revolution is in the mind, and once that is
achieved, all else is possible.

Vade in pace,
M. Martianius Gangalius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "os390account" <Velaki@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
> <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> Salvete,
>
> I wasn't trying to sound witty. Noble citizens, please accept my
> apologies for ranting about politics.
>
> Mea culpa valeteque,
> Q. Valerius Callidus

SALVETE OMNES!

From tomorrow until 20 of August, I'm out of office. Probably between
12-15 August I can resolve something, if is urgent.
For any problem with or about Dacia, at your disposal is legatus
Fabius Montanus.
I wish to all of you nice vacations and a wonderful summer.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Salvete,

I have a query. Maybe the answers could be used as a
yardstick in the future for those holding office,
seeking a higher office, or those contemplating
whether they have the time to dedicate to an office.

To be a good magistrate at any level of office, how
many hours does it take to dedicate to the business of
NR? It would be ideal if this could be broken down per
office.

Any idea? Thanks,

Valete,

A. Sempronius Regulus

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Salve Regule,

"A. Sempronius Regulus" <a_sempronius_regulus@...> writes:

> Salvete,
>
> I have a query. Maybe the answers could be used as a
> yardstick in the future for those holding office,
> seeking a higher office, or those contemplating
> whether they have the time to dedicate to an office.
>
> To be a good magistrate at any level of office, how
> many hours does it take to dedicate to the business of
> NR? It would be ideal if this could be broken down per
> office.

Based on my own experience, I offer these as rough order of magnitude
estimates. These are time averaged over the course of a year, and some weeks
require much more time than I list here.

Quaestor: 1.5 to 2 hours per week
Curule Aedile: 2 to 3 hours per week
Consul: at least 10 hours per week, and often much more
Censor: at least 10 hours per week, often much more
Provincial Governor: 2 to 3 hours per week

I'd caution anybody considering a magistracy to make sure they have at least
ten hours per week available for Nova Roma. Even for the minor magistracies,
that time is sometimes necessary.

Vale,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

Salvete,

I wanted to address you all since I strongly feel that we need to
move past the backstabing, quarrelling, and hostilities, and develop
NR to what we hoped and dreamed it will become. Even though I wrote a
lenthy post, Im sure it got lost in the shuffle (and the debate.) And
while I do have faith in our leadership, I dont see any proposals to
move the group forward, and I think the optimists in NR are by far
the minority. What does everyone else think is the way to move
forward? Its not through endless debate of politics or personal
attacks, thats for sure. So what can we do in the near future to
improve NR and get closer to our goals? Id love for everyone
passionate to improve Nova Roma, and willing to make a positive
difference, to voice their opinions.

Valete,
Decimus Claudius Aquilius

> Salve et Salvete,
>
> first I want to say thank you for your passion for and to improve
> Nova Roma. Reading your post, I agree with you on many points. In

my

> mind, there seems there are 3 types of citizens...1.) the
> enthusiastic ones, who are very passionate about Rome and try to
> contribute any way they can in NR, even if they feel that it is in
> vain...2.) the armchair lawyer/politicians who like to debate, and
> debate, and debate, trying to "improve the constitution" while
> fatiguing all and driving the majority of citizens away from
> participating, when they should instead be trying to improve NR
> through events or making others feel welcomed...and lastly 3.) the
> people who are interested, want to participate, but are

disillusioned

> by NR being thick of (pretty much unnecessary) politics and thin on
> events and ways to participate. For them, its just not fun any

more,

> and surely they wouldnt recommend NR to anyone else (which is the
> best way to build groups.) This is sad, since 2 or 3 years ago NR
> seemed that it was improving, only to backslide (at least in my
> mind.) Therefore, I propose to have a seperate group for political
> back and forth, sparing most citizens from this, and making the

main

> board more interesting to read for almost all! Many people are just
> fatigued from all the politics but little progress towards our

goals.

> After all, we are all members of a group with ambitious goals, who
> think creating NR was a noble idea, love Rome and its history, and
> want to beleive that the future of NR is bright. I also suggest

that

> some sort of committee is formed to look at ways to make NR more
> engaging, more enjoyable, and more rewarding, since the status quo
> isn't working.
>
> Vale,
> Decimus Claudius Aquilius

Salve et salvete omnes,

Iulius Sabinus scripsit:

>From tomorrow until 20 of August, I'm out of office.

Enjoy your well-earned vacation! I thank you for your outstanding work on the Military contest this ludi and your devotion to the Magna Mater Project.

For those new cives who may not be aware of what the MMP is, I recommend visiting the project's website:

http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/home.php

It is a wonderful project and one that reflects well on Nova Roman.

Vale et valete bene,
Artoria Marcella







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Salve,

Recently a co-worker who had gone to Kansas City for a couple of
months came back and he had a Gladius. He got it from a family friend
who supposedly had been a Archeology student in Italy in the 1960's.
Due to my interest in things Roman he gave it to me. It is a
little over 22" long. Photo's of the grip are posted here for anyone to look at:

http://camulorix.fastmail.fm

It is pitted with rust and the tip is slightly bent and has a nick on
one side of the blade. I am sure it's a copy but it looks awful good
to me. Any experts out here? What do you think?

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

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Q. Caecilius Metellus D. Claudio Aquilio salutem.

I thank you, Decime Claudi, for your sentiment, and for your quite important
question. I hope you'll pardon that I haven't a legnthy proposal; in fact,
there is one thing that I think will be the most helpful thing we all could
do to help progress. Simply put, I think that if we all were to give each
other the benefit of the belief that we all believe in the dream of Nova
Roma, and that we all have the best interests of that dream at heart
(however much we might disagree on the particulars of that dream), some of
the distrust that has grown over the years and the petty quarrels and
hostilities might find themselves at an end, and we can do what we need to
do to move forward: work together.

That's all I can say on it.

Vale,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

Ercule! Could we all just step back a bit from the Provincia California
issue for a bit. The Tribunes of Nova Roma used their power of Intercessio and
some persuasion to get Tb. Galerius to withdraw Edictum XIV. It is within
his authority and perogatives to appoint an accensus. Marcus Martianius is not
functioning as a provincial governor and has not, to the best of my
knowledge, done anything that would lead me to believe he is doing anything that
would cross that line.

Nova Roma has plenty of room for Greeks and Celts just as Old Rome had room
for those groups under the Republic. Both those cultures contributed
significantly to Rome's overall greatness. As a provincial governor, I encourage
the participation of other cultural groups and even SCAdians to take part in
our organization.

Furthermore, I believe that we should all just take a collective step
backwards and adopt a wait and see attitude. If Q. Fabius and M. Martianius can
help Nova Roma by adding more provisional citizens, it could lead to more
assidui, I think we should give them the opportunity as citizens to give it a shot.

After all, what can any Tribune or Senator outside of California really do
until there is a clear violation of the NR Constitution & By-laws except
complain on the ML.

Valete.



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Pedanicus (Materia Medica). However, many of the association of herbs with
planetary signs came about via the later works during the medieval period
especially from Arabic sources.

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OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodie est pridie Nonas Sextilis; haec dies comitialis est.

"Remember, Roman, that it is for thee to rule the nations. This shall
be thy task, to impose the ways of peace, to spare the vanquished, and
to tame the proud by war." - Polybius, "The Roman Histories" 6.11-18

"Though all the world exclaim against me, I will say what I think:
that single little book of the Twelve Tables, if anyone look to the
fountains and sources of laws, seems to me, assuredly, to surpass the
libraries of all the philosophers, both in weight of authority, and in
plenitude of utility." - Cicero, de Oratore I.44

"The Greek cities are thought to have flourished mainly on account of
the felicitous choice made by their founders, in regard to the beauty
and strength of their sites, their proximity to some haven, and the
fineness of the country. But the Roman prudence was more particularly
employed on matters which have received but little attention from the
Greeks---such as paving their roads, constructing aqueducts, and
sewers. In fact they have paved the roads, cut through hills, and
filled up valleys, so that the merchandise may be conveyed by carriage
from the ports. The sewers, arched over with hewn stones, are large
enough in parts for actual hay wagons to pass through, while so
plentiful is the supply of water from the aqueducts, that rivers may
be said to flow through the city and the sewers, and almost every
house is furnished with water pipes and copious fountains.

We may remark that the ancients [of Republican times] bestowed little
attention upon the beautifying of Rome. But their successors, and
especially those of our own day, have at the same time embellished the
city with numerous and splendid objects. Pompey, the Divine Caesar
[i.e. Julius Caesar], and Augustus, with his children, friends, wife,
and sister have surpassed all others in their zeal and munificence in
these decorations. The greater number of these may be seen in the
Campus Martius which to the beauties of nature adds those of art. The
size of the plain is remarkable, allowing chariot races and the
equestrian sports without hindrance, and multitudes [here] exercise
themselves with ball games, in the Circus, and on the wrestling
grounds. The structures that surround [the Campus], the greensward
covered with herbage all the year around, the summit of the hills
beyond the Tiber, extending from its banks with panoramic effect,
present a spectacle which the eye abandons with regret.

Near to this plain is another surrounded with columns, sacred groves,
three theaters, an amphitheater, and superb temples, each close to the
other, and so splendid that it would seem idle to describe the rest of
the city after it. For this cause the Romans esteeming it the most
sacred place, have erected funeral monuments there to the illustrious
persons of either sex. The most remarkable of these is that called the
"Mausoleum" [the tomb of Augustus] which consists of a mound of earth
raised upon a high foundation of white marble, situated near the
river, and covered on the top with evergreen shrubs. Upon the summit
is a bronze statue of Augustus Caesar, and beneath the mound are the
funeral urns of himself, his relatives, and his friends. Behind is a
large grove containing charming promenades. In the center of the plain
[the Campus Martius] is the spot where this prince was reduced to
ashes. It is surrounded by a double enclosure, one of marble, the
other of iron, and planted within with poplars. If thence you proceed
to visit the ancient Forum, which is equally filled with basilicas,
porticoes, and temples, you will there behold the Capitol, the
Palatine, and the noble works that adorn them, and the piazza of
Livia, each successive work causing you speedily to forget that which
you have seen before. Such then is Rome!

In Rome there is continual need of wood and stone for ceaseless
building caused by the frequent falling down of houses, and on account
of conflagrations and of sales which seem never to cease. These sales
are a kind of voluntary falling-down of houses, each owner knocking
down and rebuilding according to his individual taste. For these
purposes the numerous quarries, forests, and rivers in the region
which convey the materials, offer wonderful facilities." - Strabo

Valete bene!

Cato



SOURCES

Strabo, Cicero, Polybius

Salve,
I believe what you have there is a Qama or Khindjal, gladius-like blades that are ubiquitous from the balkans to central Asia...certainly not older than a century or so. You can see that it has a wide, flat tang & a rivet in the pommel. Is that electrical tape on the handle? You could probably modify it into a respectable looking gladius via the instructions on the Legio XX site.
Gnaeus Licinius Murena

Charlie Collins <walhallan@...> wrote: Salve,

Recently a co-worker who had gone to Kansas City for a couple of
months came back and he had a Gladius. He got it from a family friend
who supposedly had been a Archeology student in Italy in the 1960's.
Due to my interest in things Roman he gave it to me. It is a
little over 22" long. Photo's of the grip are posted here for anyone to look at:

http://camulorix.fastmail.fm

It is pitted with rust and the tip is slightly bent and has a nick on
one side of the blade. I am sure it's a copy but it looks awful good
to me. Any experts out here? What do you think?

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

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Salvete omnes Novi Romani,

Some of you might remember me as Sextus Apollonius Draco, others
still as Marcus Octavius Solaris. It's been a few years since I came
here, let alone posted here.

For those who don't know me, allow me to briefly introduce myself.
My interest in Ancient Rome was sparked at an early age when I read
a childrens' book called "This is how the Romans lived", which
detailed the daily life of a boy named Lucius, who lived in Nero's
time. I also devoured the early political history of the Empire,
with its soap-like intrigues, murders and plots. Better than Days of
our Lives!

In secondary school I took five years of ancient Greek and six years
of Latin, and I don't regret it one bit (except reading the early
christian texts in ancient Greek, that nearly succeeded in killing
me of boredom). In college I went on to become an English major. I'm
fluent in both English and German, although Dutch is my mother
tongue. I was active here in the period of 2753-2755. In 2754, I
also founded SVR, which I'm sure many of you are already familiar
with. The only office in NR I currently hold is Lupercus Fabianus,
or "wolfman", and I intend to at least become a little more visible
in that when the Lupercalia roll around.

So, this is just a quick note to say hello and how are you :).

Optime valete!
Gnaeus Dionysius Draco

Hey Draco,
Welkom terug! Nice to see you back. I haven't been around much either the
last year or two, but I skim this list daily.
Groetjes uit Diest!
Diana

Salve Regulus,

> To be a good magistrate at any level of office, how
> many hours does it take to dedicate to the business of
> NR? It would be ideal if this could be broken down per
> office.

I was busy with being a Tribune about 4 hours a day. Then again, I was a
great Tribune :-) I had a lot to prove being the first woman to hold the
office!

I read every single law, senatus consultum, edictum in detail and kept notes
on what was what for quick reference. I read every single email in detail
posted to 5 lists ( this one, religio, back alley, Provincia Gallia and of
course the Senate list). I wrote a Tribune's handbook, which at least until
last year was still being used to help new Tribune's find their way.

Vale,
Diana

Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus Gaiu Fabiu Buteoni Modiano, Anniae Minuciae
Marcellae quiritibusque SPD

Open revolution? But we have not even thought of renaming Mount
Whitney to Mons Sacrus yet...

Valete


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Anniae Minuciae Marcellae salutem dicit
>
> I'm not sure if its "open revolution," but what it is about is two
> individuals who were rejected by the senate but supported by one of

our

> consuls who are now working to "rebuild" a province they (at least

one of

> them) helped to see collapse. There is a reason why Q. Fabius

Maximus was

> not prorogued, he didn't have the confidence of the majority of the

senate

> and there were reasons for this decision. Likewise, the same is

true of the

> other fellow from California participating in this thread.
>
> If Consul Paulinus would have listened to the will of the senate

this "dirty

> laundry" might not have been presented on the main list. These two
> individuals need to do the honorable thing and accept the will of

the

> senate, and take a step back.
>
> Vale:
>
> Modianus
>
> On 8/3/07, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
> >
> > What a rather odd email. He tried to sound witty, but instead

sounded

> > paranoid and childish. The "open revolution" bit was particularly

funny.

> >
> > (to everyone)Could the inane arguments over what is trying to be

done in

> > calfornia be concluded please? It'll do wonders for your

reputation. But I'm

> > going to guess that y'all will keep arguing over this stuff

anyway...

> >
> > -Annia Minucia Marcella
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete Quirites,

Would everyone who has paid their tax for the current year please take a
moment to look at
http://novaroma.org/nr/Nova_Roman_taxpayers_2760_A.U.C_%28Nova_Roma%29 right
now.

I have just finished going through this list that Consul Ti. Galerius Paulinus
posted and I have cross-checked it against the citizen database. Right now,
if your name is listed on the consul's list as having paid your tax for the
current year, you should be able to look at your own record in the Album
Civium at http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album and see Status: Active /
registered
Assidui (current) in your citizen record.

If you have paid your tax for the current year, and you are not listed on
Consul Paulinus's list, please contact Consul Paulinus as soon as possible.
I can not change your tax payment status until the Consul certifies to me
that your taxes have been paid.

Valete,

CN•EQVIT•MARINVS

P. Memmius Albucius Sempronio s.d.

To complete the informations given by Senator Equitius and Hon.
Octavia, the given levels depend naturally on the involvment of the
considered magistrate and of the kind of organization which prevails
if he works inside a college or under the supervision of a higher
magistrate.

The reading of NR different lists may be uneasy to split, sometimes,
between the time that you have passed as, for instance, consul, or
provincial governor, scriba or quaestor. But a consul will have to
read very regularly all the messages of this list, a fortiori a
praetor, specially the one who is moderator of the same list. Other
magistrates have, too, in various degrees.

On the tribune office, which is familiar for me, the volume of work
given by Hon. Octavia is, for a dedicated tribune, a correct one. I
would personally have given 2/2.5 hours a day, on 7 days and on 49
weeks a year. For a tribune is supposed to be able to intervene on a
large range of acts made by other magistrates, from provincial ones
to the highest constitutional magistrates. Naturally, as we have five
tribunes, a few ones cannot or will not working as much.

On the provincial governor office, Sen. Equitius average level is
good. Then, the more the province is active or developing, the more
the governor will have to spend time in his office. Every project,
activity, research of contacts add, as in a burger, its slide of
working time.
According my nearly one year experience in Gallia, the time
investment is quite the same than the one that I spent as tribune :
2/2.5 hours a day, on 7 days and on 49 weeks a year.

To summarize, the more you feel involved, the more you will try
making things and the more you will spend time. The thing is then to
afford getting free time!

Vale Sempronius,



P. Memmius Albucius







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Sempronius Regulus"
<a_sempronius_regulus@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete,
>
> I have a query. Maybe the answers could be used as a
> yardstick in the future for those holding office,
> seeking a higher office, or those contemplating
> whether they have the time to dedicate to an office.
>
> To be a good magistrate at any level of office, how
> many hours does it take to dedicate to the business of
> NR? It would be ideal if this could be broken down per
> office.
>
> Any idea? Thanks,
>
> Valete,
>
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
> America Austrorientalis
>
>
> Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca
> Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
> Ubi spiritus est cantus est. - Sempronius Atratinus
>
> ANNI MMDCCLX AVC (anno urbis conditae - a.u.c.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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