Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Oct 23-31, 2007

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51842 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-23
Subject: Re: a. d. IX Kal. Nov. (24 Nov. 2007 Gregorian) dies Comitialis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51843 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2007-10-23
Subject: Announcement of Candidacy for Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51844 From: M·C·C Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: REMINDER: WE HAVE CALLED FOR CANDIDATES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51845 From: M·C·C Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: INVALID CANDIDACY OF FLAVIUS GALERIUS AURELIANUS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51846 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Invalid Candidacy of Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51847 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII ART CONTEST
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51848 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII CHARIOT RACES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51849 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: a.d. VIII-IV Kal. Dec. (25-28 Nov. 2007 Gregorian) dies Comitiales
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51850 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: Invalid Candidacy of Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51851 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51852 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51853 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51854 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51855 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Appointment of scribes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51856 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51857 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51858 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51859 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: a. d. VIII Kalendas Novembris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51860 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: For Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51861 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: For Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51862 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: For Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51863 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: For Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51864 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: The Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51865 From: C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51866 From: os390account Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Candidacy Declaration Tribunus Plebis Quintus Valerius Callidus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51867 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: The Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51868 From: Quintus Iulius Probus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Iulius Pobus - Candidacy for Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51869 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: The Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51870 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51871 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: CALL FOR CANDIDATES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51872 From: M. CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: CALL FOR CANDIDATES (PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51873 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51874 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51875 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Election MMDCCLX, 10/26/2007, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51876 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: a. d. VII Kalendas Novembris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51877 From: Va. Carper Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51878 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51879 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51880 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51881 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51882 From: Va. Carper Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Salvete to the new members on this list.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51883 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Salvete to the new members on this list.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51884 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51885 From: awesomeguy1187 Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: SALVE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51886 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: SALVE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51887 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: photo for the album civium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51888 From: Michael Howard Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: SALVE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51889 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: photo for the album civium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51890 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: SALVE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51891 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: a. d. VI Kalendas Novembris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51892 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII LITERARY CONTEST
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51893 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII MUNERA GLADIATORIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51894 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: Re: photo for the album civium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51895 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: Charioteers--Join Factio Veneta, the Blues!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51896 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: ATTENTION FACTIO VENETA VETERANS & NEW MEMBERS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51897 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: Factio Veneta Announcement (Corrected Copy)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51898 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: My candidacy - Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51899 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: EDICTUM CES. C. FABII BUTEONIS MODIANI DE CENSU ANNI MMDCCLX
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51900 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51901 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: a. d. V Kalendas Novembris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51902 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51903 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51904 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51905 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51906 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51907 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51908 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: Tribunician candidacy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51909 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Português - Édito Censorial sobre o Censo 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51910 From: liviacases Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Candidacy declaration Tribuna Plebis Lucia Livia Plauta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51911 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: Candidacy declaration Tribuna Plebis Lucia Livia Plauta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51912 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: EDICTUM CES. C. FABII BUTEONIS MODIANI DE CENSU ANNI MMDCCLX (Spanis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51913 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Election MMDCCLX, 10/29/2007, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51914 From: Ice Hunter Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Candidates for Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51915 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51916 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Our Res Publica...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51917 From: decimus_iulius_caesar Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: Our Res Publica...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51918 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: a. d. IIII Kalendas Novembris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51919 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51920 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51921 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51922 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51923 From: Caius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Declaration of Candidacy for the Office of Diribitor.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51924 From: Marcus Iulius Severus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: ENDORSING SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51925 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: a.d. III Kal. Dec. (29 Nov. 2007 Gregorian) dies Comitiales
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51926 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: The Census 2760
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51927 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Census 2760-Why was it not begun on time by the current Censores
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51928 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51929 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51930 From: qvalerius Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51931 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51932 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51933 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Candidacy for the office of Aedilis curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51934 From: robbjaxon Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: The Cohortes Urbanae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51935 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: a. d. III Kalendas Novembris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51937 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: ENDORSING SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51938 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Private letter about our beloved Roman organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51939 From: Peter Bird Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Private letter about our beloved Roman organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51940 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Our Res Publica...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51941 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Candidacy for the office of Aedilis curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51942 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51943 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Candidacy for the office of Aedilis curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51944 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Private letter about our beloved Roman organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51945 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: The Cohortes Urbanae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51946 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51947 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Provincial Conventus in Birmingham, AL on January 19-20, 2008
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51948 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Candidacy for Quaestor - L. Vitellius Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51949 From: Sean Post Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Declaration of Candidacy for the office of Diribitor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51950 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Election MMDCCLX, 10/31/2007, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51951 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51952 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Pridie Kalendae Novembrae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51953 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51954 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Português - Declaração de candidatura para Questor 2761
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51955 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Candidacy for the office of Aedilis curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51956 From: M·C·C Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: CALL FOR CANDIDATES: Time limits for declaring candidacies
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51957 From: quintus_arrius_nauta Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Declaration of Candidacy for Tribunus Plebis - Quintus Arrius Nauta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51958 From: qvalerius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51959 From: titus.aquila Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Endorsing Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51960 From: titus.aquila Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Endorsing Publius Memmius Albucius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51961 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Endorsing Publius Memmius Albucius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51962 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Candidacy for the office of Aedilis curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51963 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51964 From: C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Suporting Titus Arminius Genialis for QUAESTOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51965 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Call for Candidates: Candidacy for Rogator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51966 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Call for Candidates: Candidacy for Rogator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51967 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51968 From: titus.aquila Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Our Land in Texas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51969 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51970 From: Inigo Fernandez Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Candidacy for the office of Diribitor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51971 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Declaration of candidacy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51972 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Gn. Equitius Marinus for Rogator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51973 From: liviacases Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Our Land in Texas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51974 From: Marcus Iulius Severus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: ENDORSING ADVENTOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51975 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: RES: [Nova-Roma] Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51976 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: QUIRINUS webzine - 4th issue - French version online
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51977 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Our Land in Texas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51978 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Suporting Titus Arminius Genialis for QUAESTOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51979 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: The Comitia Plebis Tributa is convened
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51980 From: liviacases Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Our Land in Texas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51981 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Plebeian meetings and auspices
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51982 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Plebeian meetings and auspices
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51983 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Plebeian meetings and auspices
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51984 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: KALENDAE NOVEMBRAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51985 From: Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: The Cohortes Urbanae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51986 From: Marcus Iulius Severus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: UNREGISTERED CANDIDACIES...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51987 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Plebeian meetings and auspices



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51842 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-23
Subject: Re: a. d. IX Kal. Nov. (24 Nov. 2007 Gregorian) dies Comitialis
This day is identical to dies fasti (or dies profesti) except that dies
Comitiales are reserved for the celebration of public assemblies. If no
magistrate calls any of the Comitia on a dies comitialis, it shall be treated as a
dies fastus. If a magistrate calls the Comitia, then a vote may take place. The
result of such a vote will be binding on the magistrates. As such, if no
magistrate calls any of the Comitia today:

Tribunals may be open & the praetors may fully perform their duties;
Petitio actionis and other documents may be accepted;
Marriages and private worship may be celebrated;
Contiones may be called and celebrated;
The temples are open for all normal purposes unless stated by their lex
templi;
Citizens my express their will but any vote conducted will not be binding on
the magistrates;
Markets may be open, business transacted, contracts signed, & private
activities may take place normally.


>>>>>M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Dei vos annuant oro.

Hodiernus est ante diem IX Kalendas Novembris; haec dies comitialis est.

Today is United Nations Day
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AUC 453 / 300 BCE Passage of the lex Ogulnia

Appius Claudius and P. Decius are said to have been the leaders in this
controversy, the former as the opponent, the latter as the supporter of the
proposed measure. The arguments they advanced were
practically the same as those employed for and against the Licinian Laws
when the demand was made for the consulship to be thrown open to the plebeians.
After going over much of the old ground, Decius made a
final appeal on behalf of the proposals. He began by recalling the scene
which many of those present had witnessed, when the elder Decius, his father,
vested in the Gabine cincture and standing upon a spear, solemnly devoted
himself on behalf of the legions and people of Rome. He proceeded, "The offering
which the consul Decius made on that occasion was in the eyes of the immortal
gods as pure and holy as that of his colleague, T. Manlius, would have been if
he had devoted himself. Could not that Decius also have been fitly chosen to
exercise priestly functions on behalf of the Roman people? And for me, are
you afraid that the gods will not listen to my prayers as they do to those of
Appius Claudius? Does he perform his private
devotions with a purer mind or worship the gods in a more religious spirit
than I do? Who has ever had occasion to regret the vows which have been made
on behalf of the commonwealth by so many plebeian
consuls, so many plebeian Dictators, when they were going to take command of
their armies, or when they were actually engaged in battle? Count up the
commanders in all the years since war was for the first time waged under the
leadership and auspices of plebeians, you will find as many triumphs as
commanders. The plebeians, too, have their nobility and have no cause to be
dissatisfied with them.
You may be quite certain that, if a war were suddenly to break out
now, the senate and people of Rome would not put more confidence in a
general because he was a patrician than in one who happened to be a
plebeian. Now, if this is the case, who in heaven or earth could
regard it as an indignity that the men whom you have honoured with
curule chairs, with the toga praetexta, the tunica palmata, and the
toga picta, with the triumphal crown and the laurel wreath, the men
upon whose houses you have conferred special distinction by affixing
to them the spoils taken from the enemy-that these men, I say, should
have in addition to their other marks of rank the insignia of the
pontiffs and the augurs? A triumphing general drives through the City
in a gilded chariot, apparelled in the splendid vestments of Jupiter
Optimus Maximus. After this he goes up to the Capitol; is he not to
be seen there with capis and lituus? Is it to be regarded as an
indignity, if he with veiled head slay a victim, or from his place on
the citadel take an augury? And if in the inscription on his bust the
words 'consulship,words 'consulswords 'consulship,<WBR>' 'censorship,<WB
any indignation, in what mood will the reader regard the words which
you are going to add, 'augurship' and 'pontificate'you are going to
hope, please heaven, that, thanks to the good will of the Roman
people, we now possess sufficient dignity to be capable of conferring
as much honour on the priesthood as we shall receive. For the sake of
the gods as much as for ourselves let us insist that as we worship
them now as private individuals so we may worship them for the future
as officials of the State.

"But why have I so far been assuming that the question of the
patricians and the priesthood is still an open one, and that we are
not yet in possession of the highest of all offices? We see plebeians
amongst the ten keepers of the Sacred Books, acting as interpreters
of the Sibyl's runes and the Fates of this people; we see them, too,
presiding over the sacrifices and other rites connected with Apollo.
No injustice was inflicted on the patricians when an addition was
made to the number of the keepers of the Sacred Books on the demand
of the plebeians. None has been inflicted now, when a strong and
capable tribune has created five more posts for augurs and four more
for priests which are to be filled by plebeians, not, Appius, with
the design of ousting you patricians from your places, but in order
that the plebs may assist you in the conduct of divine matters as
they do to the utmost of their power in the administration of human
affairs. "Do not blush, Appius, to have as your colleague in the
priesthood a man whom you might have had as colleague in the
censorship or in the consulship, who might be Dictator with you as
his Master of Horse, just as much as you might be Dictator with him
for your Master of the Horse. A Sabine immigrant Attius Clausus, or
if you prefer it, Appius Claudius, the founder of your noble house,
was admitted by those old patricians into their number; do not think
it beneath you to admit us into the number of the priests. We bring
with us many distinctions, all those, in fact, which have made you so
proud. L. Sextius was the first plebeian to be elected consul, C.
Licinius Stolo was the first plebeian Master of the Horse, C. Marcius
Rutilus the first plebeian who was both Dictator and censor, Q.
Publilius Philo was the first praetor. We have always heard the same
objection raised-that the auspices were solely in your hands, that
you alone enjoy the privileges and prerogatives of noble birth, that
you alone can legitimately hold sovereign command and take the
auspices either in peace or war. Have you never heard the remark that
it was not men sent down from heaven who were originally created
patricians, but those who could cite a father, which is nothing more
than saying that they were freeborn. I can now cite a consul as my
father, and my son will be able to cite him as his grandfather. It
simply comes to this, Quirites, that we can get nothing without a
struggle. It is only a quarrel that the patricians are seeking, they
do not care in the least about the result. I for my part support this
measure, which I believe will be for your good and happiness and a
blessing to the State, and I hold that you ought to pass it."

The Assembly was on the point of ordering the voting to proceed, and
it was evident that the measure would be adopted, when, on the
intervention of some of the tribunes, all further business was
adjourned for the day. On the morrow, the dissentient tribunes having
given way, the law was passed amid great enthusiasm. The co-opted
pontiffs were P. Decius Mus, the supporter of the measure, P.
Sempronius Sophus, C. Marcius Rutilus, and M. Livius Denter. The five
augurs who were also taken from the plebs were C. Genucius, P. Aelius
Paetus, M. Minucius Faesus, C. Marcius, and T. Publilius. So the
number of the pontiffs was raised to eight and that of the augurs to
nine. ~ Titus Livius 10.7-9

Our thought for today is from Lucius Annaeus Seneca, On the Happy
Life 3.3-4:

"The happy life, therefore, is a life that is in harmony with its own
nature, and it can be attained in only one way. First of all, we
must have a sound mind and one that is in constant possession of its
sanity; second, it must be courageous and energetic, and, too,
capable of the noblest fortitude, ready for every emergency, careful
of the body and of all that concerns it, but without anxiety; lastly,
it must be attentive to all the advantages that adorn life, but with
over-much love for none - the user, but not the slave, of the gifts
of Fortune. You understand, even if I do not say more, that, when
once we have driven away all that excites or affrights us, there
ensues unbroken tranquility and enduring freedom; for when pleasures
and fears have been banished, then, in place of all that is trivial
and fragile and harmful just because of the evil it works, there
comes upon us first a boundless joy that is firm and unalterable,
then peace and harmony of the soul and true greatness coupled with
kindliness."







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51843 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2007-10-23
Subject: Announcement of Candidacy for Tribunus Plebis
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis et Flamen Cerialis S.P.D.

I announce my candidacy for Tribunus Plebis. I fulfill the legal
requirements of this office and I give my oath that I will do my very
best if elected to this magistracy. I ask for the support of my
family, friends, and fellow Plebeians in this race.

Due to the lack of candidates in last year's elections, only four
Tribunes were voted into office by the CPT. I had given my oath that
I would not run in that election and kept to it. When a new call for
candidates for the vacant Tribunate went out, I donned the toga
candida and placed my name in the cista. After a spirited election
against a worthy opponent, the Plebeians elected my to this
magistracy.

I have served the Res Publica as well as I could and attempted to
resolve issues by compromise and discussion rather than too much use
of the intercessio. I would be grateful if my fellow Plebeians would
give me the opportunity to represent their interests and those of all
the People of Nova Roma in 2761.

I have posted this announcement first on the CPT.

Vadite in pace Cereris.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51844 From: M·C·C Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: REMINDER: WE HAVE CALLED FOR CANDIDATES
M. Curiatius Complutensis Tribunus Plebis omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD

I want reminder to all of you that we have called for candidates for Plebeian offices:

2 Aedilis Plebis
5 Tribunus Plebis

Actually we have:

1 candidate for Aedilis Plebis: Publius Constatinus Placidus
2 candidates for Tribuni Plebis: Titus Flavius Aquila and Flavius Galerius Aurelianus

We need another one candidate for Aedilis Plebis and 3 candidates for Tribuni Plebis.

Please email your candidacy to the list of Comitia Plebis Tributa and to one of the actual Tribuni.

Valete

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
PROPRAETOR HISPANIA
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

Ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51845 From: M·C·C Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: INVALID CANDIDACY OF FLAVIUS GALERIUS AURELIANUS
Ex officio Tribuni Pleblis

Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Tribunus Plebis omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD

I hereby declare invalid the candidature of my colleague the Tribunus Plebis Flavius Galerius Aurelianus who has presented his candidacy for the same position that he holds .

According the "Lex Salicia de prorrogatione et cumulatione" :

"III. In this first round of candidacy presentation, no current holder of a magistracy shall present his or her candidacy for that very same position (prorogatio). No individual shall present his or her candidacy to more than one magistracy (cumulatio). "

The candidacy of Galerius Aurelianus can be accepted only and according the "Lex Salicia de prorrogatione et cumulatione" :

"IV. If, after the Kalends of December, a certain magistracy has a number of legal candidates that is lower than the number of offices to be filled, the period of presentation of candidacies shall be extended by an additional nundinum for that magistracy only. During this extended period, the provisions indicated in paragraph III of this lex shall be considered temporarily withdrawn for candidacies to that magistracy."

Valete

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS

NOVA ROMA

Ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51846 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Invalid Candidacy of Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis S.P.D.

I wish to offer my apologies to my colleagues and to the People of
Nova Roma. My candidacy is, indeed, invalid as I had not paid close
enough attention to the list of active/in force leges and had
believed that the Lex Salicia de prorrogatione et cumulatione had
been modified by a later lex.

If there are insufficient candidates to fulfill the offices of
Tribunus Plebis by Kal. Dec. this I shall offer myself as a
candidate again on a.d. III Non. Dec. or investigate the extension
of my magistracy through the Lex Grylla de magistratibus plebis
creandis.

I appreciate my colleague correcting my mistake.

Valete.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·C·C <complutensis@...> wrote:
>
> Ex officio Tribuni Pleblis
>
> Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Tribunus Plebis omnes civibus Novae
Romae SPD
>
> I hereby declare invalid the candidature of my colleague the
Tribunus Plebis Flavius Galerius Aurelianus who has presented his
candidacy for the same position that he holds .
>
> According the "Lex Salicia de prorrogatione et cumulatione" :
>
> "III. In this first round of candidacy presentation, no current
holder of a magistracy shall present his or her candidacy for that
very same position (prorogatio). No individual shall present his or
her candidacy to more than one magistracy (cumulatio). "
>
> The candidacy of Galerius Aurelianus can be accepted only and
according the "Lex Salicia de prorrogatione et cumulatione" :
>
> "IV. If, after the Kalends of December, a certain magistracy has a
number of legal candidates that is lower than the number of offices
to be filled, the period of presentation of candidacies shall be
extended by an additional nundinum for that magistracy only. During
this extended period, the provisions indicated in paragraph III of
this lex shall be considered temporarily withdrawn for candidacies
to that magistracy."
>
> Valete
>
> MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
> TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
>
> NOVA ROMA
>
> Ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51847 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII ART CONTEST
ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII ART CONTEST

Salvete omnes,

As part of Ludi Plebeii (4th-17th November) there'll be an art
contest not to miss!

Your mission is: make a visual artwork from theme: Jupiter and/or
Epulum Jovi and/or Equorum Probatio

All formats of visual arts are permitted and encouraged, as long as
you can submit your work or photo of it to the organisers.

The works should be sent to me privately by email
(c.curius@...). The deadline is at 10th of November.

As a prize for winner there is two NR coins, one old and one new, as
well as a place of honour at the Ludi Plebeii page at the NR website.
Best runner-ups also are rewarded with a place at the NR website.

Should you want to keep your work anonymous from public or choose not
to accept publication of your work at the NR website please indicate
that when submitting your work to me.

As an Aedile and as a person educated in visual arts high school I'll
be the judge of the competition.

Valete and Good Luck for all!


C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51848 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII CHARIOT RACES
ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII CHARIOT RACES

Salvete omnes,

Subscribe your chariot into Ludi Ceriales! Deadline for subscription
is at 10th of November.

In order to subscribe send following information by email to:
c.curius@...

A. His/her name in Nova Roma;
B. The name of his/her driver;
C. The name of his/her chariot;
D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;
E. His/her tactics for the Finals;
F. The name of his/her "factio" or team :

(Same information available at: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/
LudiPlebeii_Circenses_Subscription)

More information about each tactic at: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/
Regulae_Ludorum

Don't forget the Ludi Circenses championship, in order to keep your
hopes of winning up, subscribe now!
Link: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Circenses_Championship

Valete and Good Luck!


C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51849 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: a.d. VIII-IV Kal. Dec. (25-28 Nov. 2007 Gregorian) dies Comitiales
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Trib. Pleb. Fl. Cer. S.P.D.

I will be absent from the list for the next four days. All of these
days are dies Comitiales.

These days are identical to dies fasti (or dies profesti) except
that dies Comitiales are reserved for the celebration of public
assemblies. If no magistrate calls any of the Comitia on a dies
comitialis, it shall be treated as a dies fastus (working day). If a
magistrate calls the Comitia, then a vote may take place. The
result of such a vote will be binding on the magistrates. As such,
if no magistrate calls any of the Comitia today:

Tribunals may be open & the praetors may fully perform their duties;
Petitio actionis and other documents may be accepted;
Marriages and private worship may be celebrated;
Contiones may be called and celebrated;
The temples are open for all normal purposes unless stated by their
lex templi;
Citizens my express their will but any vote conducted will not be
binding on the magistrates;
Markets may be open, business transacted, contracts signed, & private
activities may take place normally.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51850 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: Invalid Candidacy of Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
M. Hortensia Quiritibus Aurelianoque spd;
Salvete Aureliane and all quirites old and new:

in Roman antiqua the trebonian plebicite of 448 B.C.E prohibited the
co-option of tribunes. It was a very early and important precedent
in the early Republic.
Cambridge Ancient History, p.119

The formal name of the law is the Lex Trebonia De Tribunus Plebis
and here is a great link to Roman laws:
http://webu2.upmf-grenoble.fr/Haiti/Cours/Ak/legroman.html

Livy has another version of the incident dating 401.
Livy "History of Rome" Book V, 10.
Here is the link in English and the original Latin below.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/Livy/Livy05.html

What with the levy and the war-tax and the preoccupation of men's
minds with still graver anxieties, it was found impossible to get
the full number of plebeian tribunes elected. Then a struggle began
to secure the co-optation of patricians into the vacant places. This
proved to be impossible, but in order to weaken the authority of the
Trebonian Law, it was arranged, doubtless through the influence of
the patricians, that C. Lucerius and M. Acutius should be co-opted
as tribunes of the plebs.

10. Inter dilectum tributumque et occupatos animos maiorum rerum
curis, comitiis tribunorum plebis numerus expleri nequiit. 11.
Pugnatum inde in loca uacua ut patricii cooptarentur. Postquam
obtineri non poterat, tamen labefactandae legis Treboniae causa
effectum est ut cooptarentur tribuni plebis C. Lacerius et M.
Acutius, haud dubie patriciorum opibus

Roman law is a fascinating topic and I hope that it will be taught
again at Academia Thules, so we all can learn it and practice.
Meanwhile this is going into the wiki as an article.
bene valete in pacem deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior
candidate for Censor
Election page: http://tinyurl.com/ysu21v


> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis S.P.D.
>
> I wish to offer my apologies to my colleagues and to the People of
> Nova Roma. My candidacy is, indeed, invalid as I had not paid
close
> enough attention to the list of active/in force leges and had
> believed that the Lex Salicia de prorrogatione et cumulatione had
> been modified by a later lex.
>
> If there are insufficient candidates to fulfill the offices of
> Tribunus Plebis by Kal. Dec. this I shall offer myself as a
> candidate again on a.d. III Non. Dec. or investigate the extension
> of my magistracy through the Lex Grylla de magistratibus plebis
> creandis.
>
> I appreciate my colleague correcting my mistake.
>
> Valete.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·C·C <complutensis@> wrote:
> >
> > Ex officio Tribuni Pleblis
> >
> > Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Tribunus Plebis omnes civibus
Novae
> Romae SPD
> >
> > I hereby declare invalid the candidature of my colleague the
> Tribunus Plebis Flavius Galerius Aurelianus who has presented his
> candidacy for the same position that he holds .
> >
> > According the "Lex Salicia de prorrogatione et cumulatione" :
> >
> > "III. In this first round of candidacy presentation, no current
> holder of a magistracy shall present his or her candidacy for that
> very same position (prorogatio). No individual shall present his
or
> her candidacy to more than one magistracy (cumulatio). "
> >
> > The candidacy of Galerius Aurelianus can be accepted only and
> according the "Lex Salicia de prorrogatione et cumulatione" :
> >
> > "IV. If, after the Kalends of December, a certain magistracy has
a
> number of legal candidates that is lower than the number of
offices
> to be filled, the period of presentation of candidacies shall be
> extended by an additional nundinum for that magistracy only.
During
> this extended period, the provisions indicated in paragraph III of
> this lex shall be considered temporarily withdrawn for candidacies
> to that magistracy."
> >
> > Valete
> >
> > MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
> > TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
> >
> > NOVA ROMA
> >
> > Ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51851 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;

One of the duties of censor is to conduct the census. It is a big
task, demanding a lot of time and hard work.

I wrote to the former censor and webmaster M. Octavius Gracchus,
asking him for instructions on how to conduct the census with the
new wiki website. He kindly wrote back to me and explained.

With our current censor K. Buteo Modianus busy at university, it's
important to organize and plan ahead of time so the census can be
taken when he is free and not during exam week.
bene valete
M. Hortensia Maior
candidate for censor
http://tinyurl.com/ysu21v

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> Being a censor I know how challenging it can be to be censor, but
having
> been on the staff of Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, Marcus
Octavius
> Gracchus, and L. Cornelius Sulla. Having experience as a scribe I
can
> attest was much easier for me in doing the job because I know what
is
> involved. Marca Hortensia Maior were scribae for Caeso Fabius
Buteo
> Quintilianus at the same time, and she knows how the office
functions. As a
> current censor I fully support Marca Hortensia Maior as censor.
>
> Sure she is taking a somewhat different approach going from
tribune to
> censor. However, this was done by Gaius Flavius Diocletianus who
went from
> propraetor to praetor to censor. Hortensia Maior has been a
propraetor, a
> tribune, and a scribe to a censor. I'm convinced she would make an
> excellent censor and she would be a pleasure to work with.
>
> I encourage the citizens of Nova Roma to vote for her.
>
> Valete:
>
> Modianus
>
> On 10/18/07, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
> >
> > M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
> > I am withdrawing from the race for praetor and instead am
> > campaigning for Censor. I am too happy to see cives from
Provincia
> > Hispania and Mexico running for office:) May Fortuna favour you!
> >
> > Now it is unorthodox to skip the cursus honorum but here are my
> > reasons:
> > Censors in Nova Roma are responsible for admitting new cives
> > with the proper names. I worked with Censor Quintilianus Buteo
and
> > the nomenclature cohors on this very project which he began. Our
> > current censor his stepson, can confirm this was a lot of hard
work!
> > Wondeful work and very gratifying.
> > But I loved nomenclature and even after Gaius Quintilianus
> > Buteo's term as censor was over I served on the Onomalis list,
with
> > the other experts for no titles or points to continue work &
> > research on Roman nomenclature.
> > The other important work of the censor is as regulator of the mos
> > maiorum, regimen morum. But what is the mos maiorum?
> >
> > This is another great & wonderful area of interest. To help
develop
> > an understanding of Romanitas and begin to live it in our daily
> > lives. Not only for myself but for all cives here.
> >
> > So quirites these are my reasons, I am fortunate to have access
to
> > the University of Carolina's excellent classics collection &
getting
> > a good reading knowledge of Latin. As evidenced by my past work
for
> > the NRwiki, I will share, write articles and post so that Nova
Roma
> > can progress and become truly Roman.
> > May the gods watch over Rome
> > and the Roman people!
> > Marca Hortensia Maior
> > http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?
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>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51852 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Salve Marca Hortensia,

Maior <rory12001@...> writes:

[...]
> I wrote to the former censor and webmaster M. Octavius Gracchus,

What? Did Octavius resign from office? I thought he was currently
serving as the more senior censor.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51853 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Salve Marine et Salvete Omnes:

Yes, you are correct. Octavius is still in office as the Senior Censor,
or the 'outgoing' Censor as of year's end.

For the benefit of new citizens, there are two Censors. A Censor
serves a two year term and their terms overlap. You are sometimes
referred to, Marine, in this forum or that, as 'the Censor' when you
are in fact the former Censor, your last day being Dec. 31, 2006. Slip
of the quill usually. I've made mistakes of this nature myself in
haste.

At any rate, I am pleased the Census issue is being investigated. It's
good to see such continued dedication and cooperation.

Valete Omnes
Pompeia

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Marca Hortensia,
>
> Maior <rory12001@...> writes:
>
> [...]
> > I wrote to the former censor and webmaster M. Octavius Gracchus,
>
> What? Did Octavius resign from office? I thought he was currently
> serving as the more senior censor.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51854 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Salvete:

There must be some confusion. M. Octavius Gracchus is still the senior
censor, but I know he has been occupied with other important projects over
the past several months. Any help I can get to organize a census is greatly
appreciated and M. Hortensia Maior has been very helpful in helping to
organize one. But Octavius is still the senior censor.

I plan on appointing Hortensia as a scriba for the purpose of the helping
conduct a census.

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 10/24/07, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
>
> One of the duties of censor is to conduct the census. It is a big
> task, demanding a lot of time and hard work.
>
> I wrote to the former censor and webmaster M. Octavius Gracchus,
> asking him for instructions on how to conduct the census with the
> new wiki website. He kindly wrote back to me and explained.
>
> With our current censor K. Buteo Modianus busy at university, it's
> important to organize and plan ahead of time so the census can be
> taken when he is free and not during exam week.
> bene valete
> M. Hortensia Maior
> candidate for censor
> http://tinyurl.com/ysu21v
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51855 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Appointment of scribes
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

As censor, I hereby appoint two new scribes:

Marca Hortensia Maior & Titus Flavius Aquila.

Additionally, I reaffirm the following as active scribes, all others
not on this list are dismissed:

Marcus Curiatius Complutensis
Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
Titus Arminius Genialis
Publius Constantinus Placidus
Marcus Iulius Severus

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51856 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Salve Marine:
apologies I meant 'outgoing'. Thank you Pompeia I Shouldn't type so
fast...
Maior
>
> Salve Marine et Salvete Omnes:
>
> Yes, you are correct. Octavius is still in office as the Senior
Censor,
> or the 'outgoing' Censor as of year's end.
>
> For the benefit of new citizens, there are two Censors. A Censor
> serves a two year term and their terms overlap. You are sometimes
> referred to, Marine, in this forum or that, as 'the Censor' when
you
> are in fact the former Censor, your last day being Dec. 31, 2006.
Slip
> of the quill usually. I've made mistakes of this nature myself in
> haste.
>
> At any rate, I am pleased the Census issue is being investigated.
It's
> good to see such continued dedication and cooperation.
>
> Valete Omnes
> Pompeia
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@>
wrote:
> >
> > Salve Marca Hortensia,
> >
> > Maior <rory12001@> writes:
> >
> > [...]
> > > I wrote to the former censor and webmaster M. Octavius
Gracchus,
> >
> > What? Did Octavius resign from office? I thought he was
currently
> > serving as the more senior censor.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51857 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Salvete Quirites

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
>
> One of the duties of censor is to conduct the census. It is a big
> task, demanding a lot of time and hard work.
>

I can certainly attest to that. In 2005 I was scriba to Censor K.
Fabius Buteo Quintilianus and headed the Office of the Census. Our
current Censor C. Fabius Buteo Modianus was one of the scribae
working for me, while M. Hortensia Maior worked in another section.
Hopefully some of the work will easier this year with the new NRwiki
site.

I have every confidence in Hortensia heading up the census effort
under Censor Modianus for this year. I have worked with her in the
cohors censoralis in 2005, last year when she was Aedilis Plebis and
I was Tribunus Plebis, and with Vox Romana. I find her to be a
spirited and effective team leader who keeps others on schedule in
order to get a project accomplished. I will be happy to work with
her again on this year's census.

For similar reasons, I recommend that our Quirites support M.
Hortensia as Censor for the 2008-2009 term.

The census of 2007 will be conducted late in the year. The data
collected will have to be analysed and reported on. This may take us
into next year. It is in the best interest of Nova Roma if the
Censor we elect this year is familiar with the census and with the
process needed to conduct a census. Two years from now she will be
directing her own scribae in the conduct of Census 2009. Her
familiarity with the raw data, as it is collected this year, will
also make her better able to perform her other duties as a Censor. It
will aid Nova Roma to have Hortensia as colleague to Modianus since
they have already shown that they work together cooperatively and
this will make them an effective team in the coming year.

Also, for my part, as I am a candidate for Consul, I am especially
interested in seeing the results of Census 2007 compared to the
earlier results from the census I conducted. Recommendations were
presented to the Senate at that time, but were never acted upon.
Last year we talked about possibly reorganzing some of the larger
provinciae in the US and creating new provinciae in parts of South
America and/or the Caribbean. Here again we will need a cooperative
team of Censores working closely with the Consules and other
magistrates to present a plan to the Senate.

The best candidate to fulfill Nova Roma's needs in a Censor for next
year is Marca Hortensia Maior.

Valete et vadete in pace Deorum
M Moravius Piscinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51858 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: Re: For Censor
Salve Gai Modiane,

"David Kling (Modianus)" <tau.athanasios@...> writes:

> Any help I can get to organize a census is greatly appreciated

You're welcome to my help. I note that you two have a statutory
obligation to complete a census *this year*. Had I known there was a
problem with completing the census I'd have said something earlier.
Do you think there's any way you and I could do anything in the
remaining two months?

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51859 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-24
Subject: a. d. VIII Kalendas Novembris
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Di vos semper servent

Hodiernus est ante diem VIII Kalendas Novembris; haec dies comitialis
est: Dioscuri.

Today is known as St Crispin's Day, made famous by
Shakespeare's "Henry V" in the speech of the king upon the eve of the
Battle of Agincourt, fought on 25 Oct 1415. More properly it was Sts
Crispin and Crispian Day, patron saints of shoemakers. But the real
origin of the Christian holiday was a festival for Castor and
Castoris (Pollux) held by a Roman guild of shoemakers.


AUC 822 / 69 CE The Second Battle of Bedriacum, 24/25 October

During the Year of the Four Emperors, the initial engagement between
forces of Vitellius and Vespasian took place on the road from
Bedriacum to Cremona. Vitellius had earlier defeated the army of
Emperor Otho during the First Battle of Bedriacum, 14 April. Three
legions under M. Antonius Primus – III Gallica, VIII Augusta, and VII
Claudia, were enroute from Raetia and Moesia to support Otho.
Defeated, Otho committed suicide before the Danubian legions
arrived. By August Antonius declared for Vespasian, who had already
sent an army under G. Licinius Mucianus from the Eastern provinces,
but it was yet to arrive in the West. Antonius was then joined by
the XIII Gemina and VII Galbiana, legions of Otho that had been
defeated at the First Battle of Bedriacum. Vitellius sent four
legions and vexilliationes of seven other legions north under Aulus
Caecina Alienus to meet Antonius. However Caecina was conspiring
with the admiral of the Ravenna fleet, Lucilius Bassus, to switch
allegiance to Vespasian. His own men therefore threw him in chains
and they were left without a general when they met Antonius. On 24
October the cavalry of Antonius came upon the Vitellian cavalry on
the Via Postuma at around 11.30 hrs. Antonius brought up legions
from Bedriacum to give his cavalry support and the Vitellian forces
withdrew towards Cremona. The battle was then rejoined and continued
throughout the night.

The Vitallian army had been further reinforced, yet its general,
Valens, had still not arrived. The Vitellians had an advantage in
numbers, in battle experience, and in their position of being on the
defense with a line well supported by artillery. However the Flavain
army was well led by Antonius, and somewhat strange events would
afford him the luck he needed to carry the day, or night as it turned
out. A special feature of this battle is said to have been the
moon. Tacitus claimed that it rose behind the Flavians, revealing
the positions of the Vitellians while blinding them to the positions
of their Flavian opponents. What really seems to have happened is
that the Vitellians, without a general, held their positions. At
least two Vitellian legions did not allow their comrades to retreat
onto their position, nor did they advance to their support. Possibly
under the moonlight it was difficult for them to identify which
legions were friend or foe. This worked to the advantage of the
Flavians, who, although fewer in number, were maneuvering throughout
the night on one enemy position after another. Antonius' own Legio
VII Galbiana took heavy casualties and at one point lost its eagle
until a centurian sacrificed his own life to retrieve it. It was
those kinds of sacrifices that won Antonius the night engagement.
Then at dawn the battle really turned in the favor of Antonius. One
of his legions, III Gallica, had served in Syria. There they had
taken on the custom of turning east to greet the rising sun with a
loud cheer. The Vitellian army mistook this as a greeting to the
arriving Flavian army under Muscianus. The Vitellians fled the
battlefield. Cremona was stormed against the advice of Antonius,
then looted and burned. Antonius then continued his march on Rome,
eventually capturing Vitellius before Muscianus or Vespasian ever
arrived.

Tacitus, Histories 3.15-35:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/tacitusc/histries/chap1
0.htm
Maps:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/tacitusc/histries/map2i
c.htm


Thought of the day from Epictetus, Enchiridion 11

"Never say of anything, 'I have lost it;' but, 'I have restored it.'
Has your child died? It is restored. Has your wife died? She is
restored. Has your estate been taken away? That likewise is
restored. 'But it was a bad man who took it.' What is it to you by
whose hands He who gave it has demanded it again? While He permits
you to possess it, hold it as something not your own; as do travelers
at an inn."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51860 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: For Censor
Cn. Lentulus Minuciae Straboni sal.


>>> You are sometimes
referred to, Marine, in this forum or that, as 'the Censor' when you
are in fact the former Censor, your last day being Dec. 31, 2006. <<<


...And Cn. Marinus indeed deserves this. He is "Marinus, The Censor", as Cato Censorius. He was an excellent Censor I had the pleasure to work with, and after his term he is always solicitous about the censorial problems and gives a lot of help. Cn. Equitius Marinus should be an example for any future magistrate.

Vale!



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51861 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: For Censor
Cn. Lentulus rogator C. Buteoni censori suo sal.

I also offer my help as rogator so that we could complete the census this year. We must not disregard the rules and laws we made.

Vale!



Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
R O G A T O R
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Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis Ti. Galerii Paulini
Scriba Aedilis Curulis Iuliae Caesaris Cytheridis Aeges
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
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Decurio I. Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51862 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: For Censor
SALVE ET SALVETE!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

Cn. Equitius Marinus should be an example for any future magistrate.>>>

I totally agree. Dacia salutes you with respect, Marine!

VALETE BENE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51863 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: For Censor
Salve Lentule,

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> writes:

> ...And Cn. Marinus indeed deserves this. He is "Marinus, The
> Censor", as Cato Censorius.

Thank you. I can think of no higher honor to my name than what you've
said here.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51864 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: The Census 2760
Salve M. Hortensia Maior

I am glad to hear that you are willing to help with the census for 2760
a.u.c. (2007) but it seems the effort to conduct the Census at this late
hour is too little, too late.

Let me explain.

According to the terms of the Lex Fabia de Censu the required biennial
census "will last for a period of sixteen (16) weeks, and must be
completed by Pridie Kal. Novembres (the 31st of October). The start and
end of the Census period will be announced by the Censors on the NR
website, official lists, and in the major fora. The official lists are
currently located at nova-roma@yahoogroups.com and
NovaRoma-Announce@.... Notification must also be published on the
Nova Roma Message board. The Censors shall also ask the Governors to
announce the Census period on the provincial level."

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_de_censu_%28Nova_Roma%29
<http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_de_censu_%28Nova_Roma%29>

In order to comply with the law the census has to be completed by Pridie
Kal. Novembres (the 31st of October). In order to do so the census for
2760 a.u.c would have to have been started on the 12th of July (16 weeks
x 7 days each = 112 days ) at the latest and as far as I know it has
not. The Censors have not made any official announcements that they are
conducting the census. In fact the last few posts on this topic clearly
indicates that they are just now preparing to start.

I have drafted and will submit to the electorate the following Lex to
remedy this situation.

Draft Lex Galeria de Censu

The Lex Galeria de Censu is a temporary measure that authorizes the
Censors of 2761 a.u.c. to conduct, in 2761 a.u.c the 2760 a.u.c census..
All provisions of the Lex Fabia de Censu shall be adhered to and remain
in effect with the following exceptions.

The Nova Roma Census 2760 a.u.c. will last for a period of sixteen (16)
weeks. It must start no later that the Pridie Kal Feb. ( 31 January 2008
) and must be completed by a.d. XI Kal. Iun. (22 May 2008) This Lex
shall only apply through the end of the year 2761 a.u.c.

Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Consul



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51865 From: C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII
I love gladiatorial fights!!!

When can I make the inscription of my gladiator????

Vale & Valete
C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
======================
TRIBVNVS.PLEBIS.NOVAE.ROMAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"


----- Original Message -----
From: C. Curius Saturninus
To: novaromaeurope@yahoogroups.com ; NovaRoma-Announce ; thulenovaroma@yahoogroups.com ; nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 6:13 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII


ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII

Salvete omnes,

Ludi Plebeii is approaching.

At 4th to 17th of November we celebrate the Ludi Plebeii, and all
citizens, especially all plebeians, are encouraged to take part into
festivities.

In the program there are Theater, Chariot races, gladiatorial fights,
Art Contest and Literary Contest, so drama-lovers, chariot and
gladiator owners, scholars and artists, get yourself ready!

More information about each individual event will be posted here in
the coming next few days. And of course you can read it all by
selecting Ludi Plebeii link at the Aediles portal page:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Aediles_%28Nova_Roma%29

Valete,

C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51866 From: os390account Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Candidacy Declaration Tribunus Plebis Quintus Valerius Callidus
I, Quintus of the Valerii, called Callidus, of the tribe Galeria, don
the toga candida, and here announce my candidacy for Tribunus Plebis.

I would like to extend my participation to include the functions of
Tribunus Plebis, where, as a plebian myself, I believe I will be
able to help fellow citizens expedite their way to learning, living,
and enjoying more of what Nova Roma has to offer by providing them
an additional voice in government with a careful eye to the virtues
of Nova Roma.

I have been a citizen for nigh four years, and in that time I have
been fortunate to meet wonderful people who share a love of learning,
history, and friendship. I have been honored with the position of
Cultural Scriba, Proconsular Scriba, Magister Aranearius Novae
Britanniae, and Magister Aranearius Novae Romae.

Professionally, I am a web designer/systems programmer, and with 16
years in software development (over 12 in Perl, and 17 in c), as well
as team participation and management. I have extensive experience
with maintaining a healthy state of websites, including
Unix/Linux/BSD operating systems, reactive webpages via Javascript,
mysql and PostGreSQL database design and integration, and business
logic services using perl and java. I hope my skills would become an
asset to the Republic as a whole.

My professional credentials include work in financials, eCommerce and
eLearning, and development of software for those fields, in Perl, as
well as Java, Python, Jython, C, C++, Ruby, Scheme, Tcl/Tk,
Yacc/Bison, Lex/Flex, mySQL and Postscript, including GUI and
database development (SQL under Oracle, PostGreSQL, and mySQL),
Ticket Tracking Systems, SOAP/XML, shopping cart design and
implementation under apache (1.3 and 2.0 with SSL, perl templating by
hand and with Interchange, and XHTML/CSS), statistical treatment, and
system adaptation to user trends, preferences and criteria along with
reporting facilities.

I hope my abilities are worth their salt, and if the people deem I
have the right stuff, then I will do my best to help keep the wheels
of the Republic running smoothly for the citizenry of Nova Roma.

Gratias vobis ago.
Vale et Valete!

Quintus Valerius Callidus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51867 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: The Census 2760
Salve Consul Ti. Galeri

This is not the first time that a census was delayed due to
circumstances. In 2005 our Magister Aranearius Calvinus resigned at
the most inoppurtune time. What allowed us to finish the census was
a well-experienced team. We may not be able to get the job done this
year by October's end, but what is needed now is a team experienced
in performing the necessary duties. We don't need yet another law,
and we certainly don't need to await the process of calling the
comitia to pass another law before getting the job done.

Vale
M Moravius Piscinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius Galerius Paulinus"
<spqr753@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salve M. Hortensia Maior
>
> I am glad to hear that you are willing to help with the census for
2760
> a.u.c. (2007) but it seems the effort to conduct the Census at this
late
> hour is too little, too late.
>
<snipped>
> I have drafted and will submit to the electorate the following Lex
to
> remedy this situation.
>
> Valete
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51868 From: Quintus Iulius Probus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Iulius Pobus - Candidacy for Tribunus Plebis
I, Quintus Iulius Probus, officially present my candidacy for Tribunus Plebis.
I'm an assidui citizen of Nova Roma since February 2005, and one of the active members of
my province. In these years I've tried to fulfill honorably all the duties that I was assigned for.
I've participated two years consecutively to the ludi activities organisation, being a member of
aedilis Iulius Sulla's Cohors, scribe in aedilis Equitus Cato's Cohors, and right now I'm
quaestor of aedilis Curius Saturninus. In Provincia Dacia I have the honor to be legatus
militum. In this position, my first concern was to know as much as possible of the military
history. My articles about this domain of interest are presented in the provincial webzine
Dacia Felix. I've been present at all activities organized in province, visiting and analyzing the
Roman objectives in my area of interests. Also in my province I work as a translator too,
being a good English and French speaker, and a beginner in Bulgarian. I can say that the
members meetings in NR provinces are very important because this way we can develop
friendship and they also represent the starting point of any mutual project. I also represent
one of the young families in Nova Roma, and in many of my activities I was helped by my wife
Lucia Iulia Severa, the Provincia Dacia procurator. My candidacy for Tribunus Plebis is my
second step in Cursus Honorum. I think that this will be the next step in my activity as time
as I'm interested in Nova Roma laws and to defend the Nova Roma citizens rights. As
tribunus plebes I will do all the best to serve the Republic and Nova Roma plebeian order.
So honorable citizens, please allow me to put my skills and my knowledge in our community
purpose, by giving me your trust vote.
Thank you.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51869 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: The Census 2760
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus M. Moravio Piscino salutem dicit

I agree. We'll proceed as planned and get the census conducted by year
end. It is unfortunate that it has not been accomplished earlier, but since
we are all volunteers situations like this happen. If Galerius wants to
pass this law its fine with me, but we can still proceed as planned with the
census. The most important aspect of being a censor is the administrative
duties of the office. I have been working with the team that does approvals
and this team has handled well over 900 citizenship applications.
Communication and cooperation between censores is essential to the
functioning of the administrative side of Nova Roma. It would have been
polite if Consul Galerius had contacted me in private about his proposed
census lex. Unfortunately it seems that he would rather communicate with
me through the main list. If he is elected censor I hope he learns the
value of direct communication.

It is unfortunate that my colleague, senior censor Octavius, is unable to
assist with much as of late. His macronational work has demanded all of his
time, and since we are all volunteers I understand. I am pleased, and
appreciate, the help of several citizens in wanting to get a census done.
M. Hortensia Maior, Marcus Horatius Piscinus, Quaestor Marinus, Rogator
Lentulus, and myself should be able to get the census done by the end of the
year and then analyze the data by end of first quarter 2008.

Valete:

Modianus

On 10/25/07, marcushoratius <mhoratius@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Consul Ti. Galeri
>
> This is not the first time that a census was delayed due to
> circumstances. In 2005 our Magister Aranearius Calvinus resigned at
> the most inoppurtune time. What allowed us to finish the census was
> a well-experienced team. We may not be able to get the job done this
> year by October's end, but what is needed now is a team experienced
> in performing the necessary duties. We don't need yet another law,
> and we certainly don't need to await the process of calling the
> comitia to pass another law before getting the job done.
>
> Vale
> M Moravius Piscinus
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51870 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Census 2760
Salve Senator M Moravius Piscinus

"We don't need yet another law, and we certainly
don't need to await the process of calling the
comitia to pass another law before getting the job done."

I agree with you that we have too many laws but the one
I have proposed is a paragraph in length and deals with an
immediate matter. Legally we can not under take a Census
at this time as current law requires:

that notice is give that one is being conducted
that it must take place over a 16 week period
that it must be completed, not started by the
31st day of October.

The comitia are being called for fall elections already,
which is perhaps one reason current law requires that the
census be concluded by October 31st.

My Lex is simply an effort to keep the census
2760 within the law.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51871 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: CALL FOR CANDIDATES
M Curiatius Complutensis, Tribunus Plebis, omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD


A call for CANDIDATES is hereby issued for the offices of TRIBUNI PLEBIS DESIGNATI and AEDILES PLEBIS DESIGNATI. Those Designati for Plebeian offices who are accepted by the Comitia Plebis Tributa by passage of a further plebiscitum de consecratio will then have their terms of office begin AUC 2760 a. d. IV Idus Dec. (10 Dec 2007). Any and all qualified Plebeian Citizens who desire to hold these offices in the coming months shall:

(1) declare their candidacy to the current Tribuni Plebis and
(2) announce their intentions to run for office before the Comitia Plebis Tributa (ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com).

Announcements of candidacy for these offices that are made to any other Nova Roma lists are allowed but will not meet the requirements needed to be recognized as a candidate. You must post your announcement to the Comitia Plebis Tributa.

Eligibility:

TRIBUNUS PLEBIS - (5 positions available) Candidates must be Cives, in good standing, for at least six full months before taking office, of the Plebeian Order, Assidui, and at least 25 years of age by AUC 2760 a. d. IV Idus Dec (10 Dec 2007).

AEDILIS PLEBEIUS - (2 positions available) Candidates must be Cives, in good standing, for at least six full months before taking office on AUC 2760 a. d. IV Idus Dec (10 Dec 2007). They must be of the Plebeian Order, Assidui, and at least 21 years of age by AUC 2759 a. d. IV Idus Dec (10 Dec 2006). Candidates for Aedilis Plebis
must also have served at least six months as a Tribunus Plebis, Quaestors, Magister Aranearius, Editor Commentariorum, or Propraetor, or the candidate must demonstrate that he or she has served as a scriba to one of the current Aediles Plebis for at least six months.

Time limits for declaring candidacies:

Announcements of candidacy before the Comitia Plebis Tributa and Declarations of candidacy to the Tribuni Plebis must be received no later than 23.59 CET 31 Oct (before Midnight at Rome, 6:00 PM EDT, or 3:00 PM PDT).

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
NOVA ROMA

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ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51872 From: M. CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: CALL FOR CANDIDATES (PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)
Any and all qualified Plebeian Citizens who desire to hold these
offices in the coming months shall:

(1) declare their candidacy to the current Tribuni Plebis and
(2) announce their intentions to run for office before the Comitia
Plebis Tributa (ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com).

Announcements of candidacy for these offices that are made to any
other Nova Roma lists are allowed but will not meet the requirements
needed to be recognized as a candidate. You must post your
announcement to the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51873 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Census 2760
Salve Censor Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

"The most important aspect of being a censor is
the administrative duties of the office."

I agree with you as long as one does so in a legal
and constitutional manner. Given that a Censor is
"To safeguard the public morality and honor" Â…
it is especially important that they obey the law.

"It would have been polite if Consul Galerius had
contacted me in private about his proposed census lex.
Unfortunately it seems that he would rather communicate
with me through the main list. If he is elected censor
I hope he learns the value of direct communication."

By "direct communications" do you mean like my phone call
to you earlier this week on another matter? Or the
numerous calls that I have placed to you in the last
two years to discuss some of the issues of the day.
Last time I checked my phone is in working order and
I can recieve calls as well as make them.

Communications is a two way street.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51874 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Tibero Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

T. Galerius Paulinus writes: "Given that a Censor is "To safeguard the
public morality and honor" � it is especially important that they obey the
law."

Modianus responds: Of course it does depend on one's interpretation of
morality and honor. For example, let us consider that I hold it as
honorable to keep my word. Therefore, keeping my word is an honorable
action. If you don't value keeping your word then it is not honorable to
break your word if you believe it beneficial to you to break your word.
Whose view of honor trumps the other? Additionally, if it honorable to
conduct a census then conducting one, even "unofficially" is honorable.

T. Galerius Paulinus writes: "By "direct communications" do you mean like
my phone call to you earlier this week on another matter? Or the numerous
calls that I have placed to you in the last two years to discuss some of the
issues of the day. Last time I checked my phone is in working order and I
can recieve calls as well as make them."

Modianus responds: The conversation we had earlier this week had absolutely
nothing to do with the situation we are dealing with now. Additionally,
many of the calls we have had in the past several years have been futile
attempts at cooperation. We talk, we have a consensus, and then you go and
do something completely different to what we agreed upon. This, from my
perspective, has been the course of things.

You claim that your phone is in working order. I don't presume that it is
broke. However, I cannot read your mind and had no idea you would post what
you did about our efforts to conduct a census. Am I to predict your actions
before you make them, and call you on the phone. Should I take auguries on
a daily basis asking the Gods if I should call you, in an attempt to discern
their will? It seems like an absurd assumption on your part to assume that
I should have contacted you before you posted to the main list asking for an
alternative.

However, if you had contacted me directly (i.e., not via the main list) then
I would have suggested you propose legislation declaring the census of 2007,
albeit conducted late, valid. Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, who
conducted the last census under the direction of Caeso Fabius Buteo
Quintilianus, claims that it can be done in time and when he conducted he
did it for the first time, therefore, the second census should be easier to
conduct. He is now on a team of very accomplished Nova Romans (Marca
Hortensia Maior, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, & Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus) all
of whom have experience in censoral matters.

You would do our Republic a service to pass legislation declaring this
census valid.

T. Galerius Paulinus writes: "Communications is a two way street."

Modianus responds: Agreed. Communication does involved at least two
parties and I would add that effective communication includes listening,
understanding, and potentially conflict resolution.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 10/25/07, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Censor Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> "The most important aspect of being a censor is
> the administrative duties of the office."
>
> I agree with you as long as one does so in a legal
> and constitutional manner. Given that a Censor is
> "To safeguard the public morality and honor" �
> it is especially important that they obey the law.
>
> "It would have been polite if Consul Galerius had
> contacted me in private about his proposed census lex.
> Unfortunately it seems that he would rather communicate
> with me through the main list. If he is elected censor
> I hope he learns the value of direct communication."
>
> By "direct communications" do you mean like my phone call
> to you earlier this week on another matter? Or the
> numerous calls that I have placed to you in the last
> two years to discuss some of the issues of the day.
> Last time I checked my phone is in working order and
> I can recieve calls as well as make them.
>
> Communications is a two way street.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Consul
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51875 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: Election MMDCCLX, 10/26/2007, 12:00 am
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Election MMDCCLX
 
Date:   Friday October 26, 2007
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 pm
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Notes:   Please announce your candidacy on the Main List and by posting to Consul Paulinus at: spqr753@... . To serve in any of these offices one must have been a citizen for at least six months by Kal. Ian. 2761 (January 1st, 2008) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen.

Candidates will be accepted until pr. Kal. Nov. (October 31st 2760 ) 2359 Roman time.

The voting will commence on the a.d. XVII Kal. Dec.(November 15th), pending favorable auspices.

Candidates and candidate statements are listed at http://novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLX_%28Nova_Roma%29
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51876 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-25
Subject: a. d. VII Kalendas Novembris
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: I numinibus votisque secundis.

Hodiernus est ante diem VII Kalendas Novembris; haec dies comitialis
est:

The Full Hunters' Moon appears at 0.52 hours this early morning along
the eastern US coast; the moon is at perigree.


AUC 395 / 358 BCE: Campaign against the Gallic bands near Pedum

"The Dictator (Sulpicius) was going into action feeling more assured
as to the courage than as to the strength of his troops. He began to
turn over in his mind every possible device by which he could inspire
fear into the enemy. At last he thought out an ingenious and original
plan, one, too, which has since been adopted by many of our own
generals as well as those of other countries and which is even
practiced to-day. He ordered the packsaddles to be taken off the
mules and two pieces of colored cloth placed on their backs. The
muleteers were then furnished with arms, some taken from the
prisoners and others belonging to the invalided soldiers, and after
thus equipping about a thousand of them and distributing a hundred of
the cavalry amongst them he ordered them to ascend the mountains
which overlooked the camp and conceal themselves in the woods, and
remain there motionless till they received the signal from him As
soon as it grew light the Dictator extended his lines along the lower
slopes of the mountain in order that the enemy might have to form
their front facing the mountain. The arrangements for creating a
groundless alarm were now completed, and that groundless alarm proved
almost more serviceable than an actual increase of strength would
have been. At first the leaders of the Gauls did not believe that the
Romans would come down on to the plain, but when they saw them
suddenly descending, they rushed on to meet them, eager for the
encounter, and the battle commenced before the signal had been given
by the commanders.

"The Gauls directed their fiercest attack upon the Roman right, and
the Dictator's presence with that division alone prevented the attack
from succeeding. When he saw the men wavering he called out sharply
to Sextius and asked him if this was the way in which he had pledged
his soldiers to fight. 'Where,' he cried, 'are the shouts of the men
who clamoured for arms? Where are their threats of going into battle
without their commander's orders? Here is the commander, calling
loudly to them to fight, and himself fighting in the forefront of the
battle; who out of all those who were just now going to lead the way
was following him? Braggarts in camp, cowards in battle!' They felt
the truth of what they heard, and they were so stung by a sense of
shame that they rushed on the enemy's weapons without any thought of
danger. They charged like madmen and threw the enemy's lines into
confusion, and a cavalry attack which followed turned the confusion
into rout. As soon as the Dictator saw their line broken in this part
of the field he turned the attack on to their left, where he saw them
closing up into a crowded mass, and at the same time gave the agreed
signal to those on the mountain. When a fresh battle shout arose and
these were seen crossing the mountain slope in the direction of the
Gauls' camp, the enemy, afraid of being cut off, gave up the fight
and ran in wild disorder to their camp. They were met by Marcus
Valerius, the Master of the Horse, who after putting their right wing
to flight was riding up to their lines, and he turned their flight
towards the mountain and woods. A great many were intercepted by the
muleteers whom they took for cavalry, and a terrible slaughter took
place amongst those whom panic had driven into the woods after the
main battle was over. No one since Camillus celebrated a more justly
deserved triumph over the Gauls than C. Sulpicius. A large quantity
of gold taken out of the spoil was dedicated by him and stored away
in a vault beneath the Capitol." ~ T. Livius 7.14-15


Thought of the day from Epictetus, Enchiridion 12

"If you would improve, lay aside such reasonings as these: "If I
neglect my affairs, I shall not have a maintenance; if I do not
punish my servant, he will be good for nothing." For it were better
to die of hunger, exempt from grief and fear, than to live in
affluence with perturbation; and it is better that your servant
should be bad than you unhappy.

"Begin therefore with little things. Is a little oil spilt or a
little wine stolen? Say to yourself, "This is the price paid for
peace and tranquility; and nothing is to be had for nothing." And
when you call your servant, consider that it is possible he may not
come at your call; or, if he does, that he may not do what you wish.
But it is not at all desirable for him, and very undesirable for you,
that it should be in his power to cause you any disturbance."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51877 From: Va. Carper Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Salvete!

I am a brand new citizen as in still waiting to take
my test to be a part of Nova Roma. Will this Census
include people like me?

Appia Virginia Mus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51878 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Salve Appia Virginia,

Appia Virginia Mus writes:

> Salvete!
>
> I am a brand new citizen as in still waiting to take
> my test to be a part of Nova Roma. Will this Census
> include people like me?

You'll certainly be counted. Yes. You may not get any additional
messages from the censors because you're known to be currently active,
but you will be counted among the provisional citizens.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51879 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Salve bene Consul Ti. Galeri

Under the circumstances I do not think that a lex is really needed.
An exceptional matter, such as has occurred with the delay, can be
handled by an edictum, which Censor Modianus will provide anyway when
announcing the dates of the Census 2007.

Marca Hortensia already has her team in place and is busily preparing
the first mailing. I should think that the census will have begun
during voting in the comitia, and thus it could be confusing asking
our citizens to vote on what is already being conducted.

The law set sixteen weeks for the entire process from preparation to
completion of a report to the Senate. That much time is not needed.
Marca Hortensia has already convered the first part in a matter of
days compared to the month given for our preparation time in 2005.
The assidui will be counted within an instant, thanks to programs
that Octavius put into place in 2005. Two mailings, required by law,
and some follow-up is really only needed for capiti censi and socii.
This should not take but a month once begun. And thanks to the lex
Minucia Moravia passed in 2006 we no longer have the thousands of
obsolete files to contend with as we did in 2005. Analysis of the
data I can fairly well guarantee will not take me as long this time
since I already have a base from which to work. Overall we may be
able to complete the actual census before year's end, and I would
think we can present the report to the Senate during their first
session of the new year.

Vale optime
M Moravius Piscinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius Galerius Paulinus"
<spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Senator M Moravius Piscinus
>
> "We don't need yet another law, and we certainly
> don't need to await the process of calling the
> comitia to pass another law before getting the job done."
>
> I agree with you that we have too many laws but the one
> I have proposed is a paragraph in length and deals with an
> immediate matter. Legally we can not under take a Census
> at this time as current law requires:
>
> that notice is give that one is being conducted
> that it must take place over a 16 week period
> that it must be completed, not started by the
> 31st day of October.
>
> The comitia are being called for fall elections already,
> which is perhaps one reason current law requires that the
> census be concluded by October 31st.
>
> My Lex is simply an effort to keep the census
> 2760 within the law.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Consul
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51880 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
salvete!

I'm a new citizen from brasilia province and I wasn't told about that census.what should I do?

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD
----- Original Message -----
From: marcushoratius
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Census 2760


Salve bene Consul Ti. Galeri

Under the circumstances I do not think that a lex is really needed.
An exceptional matter, such as has occurred with the delay, can be
handled by an edictum, which Censor Modianus will provide anyway when
announcing the dates of the Census 2007.

Marca Hortensia already has her team in place and is busily preparing
the first mailing. I should think that the census will have begun
during voting in the comitia, and thus it could be confusing asking
our citizens to vote on what is already being conducted.

The law set sixteen weeks for the entire process from preparation to
completion of a report to the Senate. That much time is not needed.
Marca Hortensia has already convered the first part in a matter of
days compared to the month given for our preparation time in 2005.
The assidui will be counted within an instant, thanks to programs
that Octavius put into place in 2005. Two mailings, required by law,
and some follow-up is really only needed for capiti censi and socii.
This should not take but a month once begun. And thanks to the lex
Minucia Moravia passed in 2006 we no longer have the thousands of
obsolete files to contend with as we did in 2005. Analysis of the
data I can fairly well guarantee will not take me as long this time
since I already have a base from which to work. Overall we may be
able to complete the actual census before year's end, and I would
think we can present the report to the Senate during their first
session of the new year.

Vale optime
M Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius Galerius Paulinus"
<spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Senator M Moravius Piscinus
>
> "We don't need yet another law, and we certainly
> don't need to await the process of calling the
> comitia to pass another law before getting the job done."
>
> I agree with you that we have too many laws but the one
> I have proposed is a paragraph in length and deals with an
> immediate matter. Legally we can not under take a Census
> at this time as current law requires:
>
> that notice is give that one is being conducted
> that it must take place over a 16 week period
> that it must be completed, not started by the
> 31st day of October.
>
> The comitia are being called for fall elections already,
> which is perhaps one reason current law requires that the
> census be concluded by October 31st.
>
> My Lex is simply an effort to keep the census
> 2760 within the law.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Consul
>





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51881 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
Salve Luci Fideli,

For now you don't have to do anything. As a new citizen you'll
automatically be counted.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> salvete!
>
> I'm a new citizen from brasilia province and I wasn't told about
> that census.what should I do?
>
> Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51882 From: Va. Carper Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Salvete to the new members on this list.
Salvete,
As a new provisional citizen, I thank you all.

I did look to see what province Virginia lies in, but
I could not find anyone to contact. I live in
Northern Virginia.

(I am still working on Latin greetings.)

As for observations, etc. I am curious if this is
covered with new people - deciding to be Roman.

Let me explain. I was not particularly Christian but
did go to Catholic Church as an adult. I think my
Roman leanings were showing up then. Later, I
stopped, and decided to be Pagan. I first was a
follower of the Norse Gods. I had a close encounter
with One of Them. However, the longer I stayed, the
more confused I got. Everyone else seemed happy and
secure in their religious practices.

I joined an umbrella Pagan group that focuses on
Indo-European cultures. At one rite which honored Ops
and Consus, I was zapped with electricity (in
figurative sense). It was though I had come Home to
the Roman Gods.

After that, I became very confused and had no-one who
could explain what happened. That is when I found
Nova Roma website. I read and re-read the site, and
everything made sense to me. But I was unsure about
moving from Norse Gods to Roman Gods. I had heard
about Pagans switching pantheons like they change
socks. I didn't want that to be me. So I just
remained confused.

Now, I know there is not a "How Can You Tell If You
Are Roman List", but maybe there should be. After
studying various books, I discovered that I had placed
my altar beside my front door, had believed that the
door gods protected my home... no other Pagan that I
knew did that.....so maybe I was an unconscious Roman
after all...

Since deciding to be Roman, I have become clearer in
my religious practices. Now, I feel happy and secure.
:)

Thank you,
Vale,
Appia Virginia Mus
snork5902g@...

--- "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...>
wrote:

> Welcome to this Nova Roma list.
>
> I am Flavius Galerius Aurelianus, Gubenatore of
America Austrorientalis which is the southeastern
United States. If you live in TN, AR, LA, AL, GA, FL,
SC, or NC (or in a close neighboring province) you
might want to join the Austrorientalis list at
austrorientalis@yahoogroups.com. Our province supports
real world meetings, events, and the celebration of
the Roman festivals.
..>
> I am the flamen of Ceres, the Goddess in the Grain,
in Nova Roma and celebrate Her public rites according
to the Roman calendar. Ceres is the Patroness of the
Plebeian Order. She is the principal Diety of the
Aventine Triad along with Liber and Libera. This cult
was later assimilated with the Eleusinian triad of
Demeter, Dionysius, and Kore/Prosperina. Her temple,
the Aedes Ceres, was founded on the Aventine Hill in
Rome in 260 A.U.C.; 493 BC.
>
> My primary interests are: the Religio Romana and its
syncretic connections to Celtic and Hellenic
religion; history, Greek & Roman herbal medicine,
cooking, writing, and brewing cervesa (ale) and met
(mead). I hope that you will be active on this list
and share your observations, rituals, interests, and
hobbies with us.
>
> Vadete in pace Cereris.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51883 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Salvete to the new members on this list.
Salve Appia Virginia, et salvete quirites,

Appia Virginia Mus wrote:

> I did look to see what province Virginia lies in, but
> I could not find anyone to contact. I live in
> Northern Virginia.

You're in Mediatlantica provincia. See
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Mediatlantica_%28Nova_Roma%29

Our provincial governor is Ti. Galerius Paulinus, who is also one of
the current Consuls of Nova Roma. (I've held both of those offices in
the past.)

> (I am still working on Latin greetings.)

"Salve" (plural "salvete") is a pretty good one that will get you a
lot of mileage.

> As for observations, etc. I am curious if this is
> covered with new people - deciding to be Roman.

We'll talk with you about lots of things, but you do have to ask.
Which seems to be exactly what you're doing here.

[...]
> I joined an umbrella Pagan group that focuses on
> Indo-European cultures. At one rite which honored Ops
> and Consus, I was zapped with electricity (in
> figurative sense). It was though I had come Home to
> the Roman Gods.

Perhaps you had. Not to cut off this conversation here, but have you
looked at the Religio Romana mailing list? If you haven't, you may
wish to do so.

Vale, et valete quirites,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51884 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: Census 2760
thanks for your help.

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Census 2760


Salve Luci Fideli,

For now you don't have to do anything. As a new citizen you'll
automatically be counted.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> salvete!
>
> I'm a new citizen from brasilia province and I wasn't told about
> that census.what should I do?
>
> Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51885 From: awesomeguy1187 Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: SALVE
SLAVETE,

I am MARCVS IVLIVS CICERO, I am new to NOVA ROMA and am trying to get
acquainted with citizens in PROVINCIA LACVS MAGNI and those of the
republic in general. I am very glad to become a citizen of NOVA ROMA
whose heritage comes from the greatest nation of all time. I
interested in conversing on all aspects of roman life, classical as
well as contemporary. May PATER MARS protect you and fortune bless you
and may all the gods protect our sacred RES PVBLICA.

OPTIME VALE,
MARCVS IVLIVS CICERO.

SPQR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51886 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: SALVE
Salve Marce Iuli,

M. Iulius Cicero, aka awesomeguy1187 <awesomeguy1187@...> writes:

[introductory stuff]

Welcome to Nova Roma! I'm not in Lacus Magni, but we should have a
few people around here who are.

Just in the way of friendly advice, you might want to see about
creating another e-mail account for your Nova Roma mail. Either that
or expect some notice to be taken of your account name.

Have you looked into the newroman mailing list? It's a great place to
get acquainted with Nova Roma.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51887 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: photo for the album civium
I'm mailing a photo of me to be posted in the album civium.

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51888 From: Michael Howard Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: SALVE
Salve cousin!

Let me be the first to welcome you to Nova Roma. It's a good group from
everything I have seen, though I haven't been here long.

Vale,
M. Iulius Scaevola

On 10/26/07, awesomeguy1187 <awesomeguy1187@...> wrote:
>
> SLAVETE,
>
> I am MARCVS IVLIVS CICERO, I am new to NOVA ROMA and am trying to get
> acquainted with citizens in PROVINCIA LACVS MAGNI and those of the
> republic in general. I am very glad to become a citizen of NOVA ROMA
> whose heritage comes from the greatest nation of all time. I
> interested in conversing on all aspects of roman life, classical as
> well as contemporary. May PATER MARS protect you and fortune bless you
> and may all the gods protect our sacred RES PVBLICA.
>
> OPTIME VALE,
> MARCVS IVLIVS CICERO.
>
> SPQR
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51889 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: photo for the album civium
Salve Luci Fideli,

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> I'm mailing a photo of me to be posted in the album civium.

Who are you mailing it to? If you attached it to your message, Yahoo
stripped it away, as Yahoo strips all attachments. The best way to
get an image file into the Album Civium is to follow the directions at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/NovaRoma:Submit_Citizen_Photo

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51890 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: Re: SALVE
Salve Marce Iuli

Welcome to Nova Roma and to our provincia Lacus Magni.

I am a Procurator of Lacus Magni in Ohio as well as a provincial
Sacerdos. I am also the flamen Carmentalis, a former Tribuni Plebis,
and currently a candidate for Consul. I hail from Cleveland
originally, and currently live in Akron, Ohio. You should have
already been invited to the provincial email list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GreatLakesNovaRoma where you are most
likely to find other Novae Romani in your area. And you should join
the NewRoman list if you haven't done so already. If you, or for
that matter anyone else, happens to be in the Cleveland-Akron area I
would be glad to speak with you.

Vale bene et bonam habe Fortunam. Pater Mars te servet.
M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "awesomeguy1187"
<awesomeguy1187@...> wrote:
>
> SLAVETE,
>
> I am MARCVS IVLIVS CICERO, I am new to NOVA ROMA and am trying to
get
> acquainted with citizens in PROVINCIA LACVS MAGNI and those of the
> republic in general. I am very glad to become a citizen of NOVA ROMA
> whose heritage comes from the greatest nation of all time. I
> interested in conversing on all aspects of roman life, classical as
> well as contemporary. May PATER MARS protect you and fortune bless
you
> and may all the gods protect our sacred RES PVBLICA.
>
> OPTIME VALE,
> MARCVS IVLIVS CICERO.
>
> SPQR
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51891 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-26
Subject: a. d. VI Kalendas Novembris
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Optime vos omnes

Hodiernus est ante diem VI Kalendas Novembris; haec dies comitialis
est:


AUC 405 / 348 BCE Valerius Corvus

"Whilst the Romans were passing their time quietly at the outposts, a
gigantic Gaul in splendid armour advanced towards them, and delivered
a challenge through an interpreter to meet any Roman in single
combat. There was a young military tribune, named Marcus Valerius,
who considered himself no less worthy of that honour than T. Manlius
had been. After obtaining the consul's permission, he marched,
completely armed, into the open ground between the two armies. The
human element in the fight was thrown into the shade by the direct
interposition of the gods, for just as they were engaging a crow
settled all of a sudden on the Roman's helmet with its head towards
his antagonist. The tribune gladly accepted this as a divinely-sent
augury, and prayed that whether it were god or goddess who had sent
the auspicious bird that deity would be gracious to him and help him.
Wonderful to relate, not only did the bird keep its place on the
helmet, but every time they encountered it rose on its wings and
attacked the Gaul's face and eyes with beak and talon, until,
terrified at the sight of so dire a portent and bewildered in eyes
and mind alike, he was slain by Valerius. Then, soaring away
eastwards, the crow passed out of sight. Hitherto the outposts on
both sides had remained quiet, but when the tribune began to despoil
his foeman's corpse, the Gauls no longer kept their posts, whilst the
Romans ran still more swiftly to help the victor. A furious fight
took place round the body as it lay, and not only the maniples at the
nearest outposts but the legions pouring out from the camp joined in
the fray. The soldiers were exultant at their tribune's victory and
at the manifest presence and help of the gods, and as Camillus
ordered them into action he pointed to the tribune, conspicuous with
his spoils, and said: 'Follow his example, soldiers, and lay the
Gauls in heaps round their fallen champion!' Gods and man alike took
part in the battle, and it was fought out to a finish, unmistakably
disastrous to the Gauls, so completely had each army anticipated a
result corresponding to that of the single combat. Those Gauls who
began the fight fought desperately, but the rest of the host who came
to help them turned back before they came within range of the
missiles. They dispersed amongst the Volscians and over the Falernian
district; from thence they made their way to Apulia and the western
sea.

"The consul mustered his troops on parade, and after praising the
conduct of the tribune presented him with ten oxen and a golden
chaplet. In consequence of instructions received from the senate he
took over the maritime war and joined his forces with those of the
praetor. The Greeks were too lacking in courage to run the risk of a
general engagement, and there was every prospect of the war proving a
long one. Camillus was in consequence authorised by the senate to
nominate T. Manlius Torquatus as Dictator for the purpose of
conducting the elections. After appointing A. Cornelius Cossus as
Master of the Horse, the Dictator proceeded to hold the consular
elections. Marcus Valerius Corvus (for that was henceforth his
cognomen), a young man of twenty-three, was declared to be duly
elected amidst the enthusiastic cheers of the people." ~ Livy 7.26


Thought of the day from Epictetus, Enchiridion 13

"If you would improve, be content to be thought foolish and dull with
regard to externals. Do not desire to be thought to know anything;
and though you should appear to others to be somebody, distrust
yourself. For be assured, it is not easy at once to keep your will in
harmony with nature, and to secure externals; but while you are
absorbed in the one, you must of necessity neglect the other."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51892 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII LITERARY CONTEST
ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII LITERARY CONTEST

Salvete omnes,

As a part of Ludi Plebeii (4th-17th November) there'll be an literary
contest not to miss!

Your mission is: write a text 1-2 pages long about following theme:
Plebs and/or Jupiter. OR: write a poem about same theme.

All genres and styles are permitted and encouraged. Submit your work
to me privately by email (c.curius@...). The Deadline
is at 8th of November.

As a prize for winner there is one new NR coin as well as a place of
honour at the Ludi Plebeii page at the NR website. Best runner-ups
also are rewarded with a place at the NR website.

Should you want to keep your work anonymous from public or choose not
to accept publication of your work at the NR website please indicate
that when submitting your work to me.

As an Aedile I'll be the judge of the competition.

Valete and Good Luck for all!


C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51893 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII MUNERA GLADIATORIA
ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII MUNERA GLADIATORIA

Salvete omnes,

Subscribe your chariot into Ludi Plebeii! Deadline for subscription
is at 8th of November.
In order to subscribe send following information by email to:
c.curius@...

A. His/her name in Nova Roma;
B. The name of his/her fighters (max 2);
C. Their tactics (1 Defensive / 2 Yourself / 3 Total attack);
D. Their descriptions (about trainings, abilities, skills and others);

More information about tactics and rules:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Regulae_Ludorum

Valete and Good Luck!

C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51894 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: Re: photo for the album civium
OK. I'll try it later.

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] photo for the album civium


Salve Luci Fideli,

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> I'm mailing a photo of me to be posted in the album civium.

Who are you mailing it to? If you attached it to your message, Yahoo
stripped it away, as Yahoo strips all attachments. The best way to
get an image file into the Album Civium is to follow the directions at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/NovaRoma:Submit_Citizen_Photo

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51895 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: Charioteers--Join Factio Veneta, the Blues!
Salvete!

Need more racing in your life? Enjoy the sweat of the track in your
face? Want to lash your opponents and drive them into the spina more
professionally? Do you want to join in the rowdy spectacle of
cheering on your team at the Circus Maximus?

Join Factio Veneta, the Blue Faction! You may remember us from such
great riots at the Circus Maximus and the Hippodrome! We need to get
out on the sand and charge with all our strength! We implore members
of Factio Veneta to enter the races!

Are the Green, Red or White not your thing? This is the list for
you! This is the newsgroup of Nova Roma's virtual chariot racing
faction, Factio Veneta--the Blues. This list is for seasoned chariot
racers, those new to the Circus, and Loyal Supporters of the Blues.
Join us Today!

Website: http://novaroma.org/nr/Factio_Veneta_%28Nova_Roma%29
Newsgroup: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta/

Valete optime,

L. Vitellius Triarius
Dominus factionis
Factio Veneta, the Blues
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51896 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: ATTENTION FACTIO VENETA VETERANS & NEW MEMBERS
Salvete,

This is a reminder to all Charioteers and Blue Team Members to
enroll now for the Ludi Plebeii Ludi Circenses.

Lucius Vitellius Triarius
Dominus factionis, Factio Veneta

******************************************

Original Message & Enrollment Information:

ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII CHARIOT RACES

Salvete omnes,

Subscribe your chariot into Ludi Plebeii! Deadline for subscription
is at 8th of November.
In order to subscribe send following information by email to:
c.curius@academiath ules.org

A. His/her name in Nova Roma;
B. The name of his/her fighters (max 2);
C. Their tactics (1 Defensive / 2 Yourself / 3 Total attack);
D. Their descriptions (about trainings, abilities, skills and
others);

More information about tactics and rules:
http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Regulae_ Ludorum

Valete and Good Luck!

C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@academiath ules.org
www.academiathules. org
thule.novaroma. org
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51897 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: Factio Veneta Announcement (Corrected Copy)
Charioteers--Join Factio Veneta, the Blues!


Salvete!

This is a reminder to all Charioteers and Blue Team Members to
enroll now for the Ludi Plebeii Ludi Circenses.

Need more racing in your life? Enjoy the sweat of the track in your
face? Want to lash your opponents and drive them into the spina more
professionally? Do you want to join in the rowdy spectacle of
cheering on your team at the Circus Maximus?

Join Factio Veneta, the Blue Faction! You may remember us from such
great riots at the Circus Maximus and the Hippodrome! We need to get
out on the sand and charge with all our strength! We implore members
of Factio Veneta to enter the races!

Are the Green, Red or White not your thing? This is the list for
you! This is the newsgroup of Nova Roma's virtual chariot racing
faction, Factio Veneta--the Blues. This list is for seasoned chariot
racers, those new to the Circus, and Loyal Supporters of the Blues.
Join us Today!

Website: http://novaroma.org/nr/Factio_Veneta_%28Nova_Roma%29
Newsgroup: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta/

Valete optime,

L. Vitellius Triarius
Dominus factionis
Factio Veneta, the Blues

*****************************************************

Original Message & Enrollment Information:

ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI PLEBEII CHARIOT RACES

Salvete omnes,

Subscribe your chariot into Ludi Ceriales! Deadline for subscription
is at 10th of November.

In order to subscribe send following information by email to:
c.curius@...

A. His/her name in Nova Roma;
B. The name of his/her driver;
C. The name of his/her chariot;
D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;
E. His/her tactics for the Finals;
F. The name of his/her "factio" or team :

(Same information available at: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/
LudiPlebeii_Circenses_Subscription)

More information about each tactic at: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/
Regulae_Ludorum

Don't forget the Ludi Circenses championship, in order to keep your
hopes of winning up, subscribe now!
Link: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Circenses_Championship

Valete and Good Luck!


C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51898 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: My candidacy - Consul.
I, Titus Iulius Sabinus, don the toga candida and enter the Forum as
candidate for consul of our Res Publica for the year a.U.c MMDCCLXI.

SALVETE QUIRITES!

I come with in front of you to present my candidacy as consul for
the next year.
I'm citizen of Nova Roma since MMDCCLVII a.U.c, assidui, and,
starting with the moment I joined, I was day by day and hour after
hour near you all, with my mind, my energy and all my abilities to
contribute in each possible good way to Nova Roma development:

I'm founder of Provincia Dacia and its legatus pro praetore since
MMDCCLVIII a.U.c.
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Dacia_%28Nova_Roma%29
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/
I served as scribe of praetor Galerius Paulinus, praetrix Tullia
Scholastica, aedilis Iulius Sulla, aedilis Curius Saturninus,
magister aranearius Cassius Calvus and magister aranearius Octavius
Gracchus.
I served as accensus of consuls Pompeia Minucia Strabo and Galerius
Paulinus.
This year I'm quaestor of aedilis Artoria Marcella and for two
consecutive years (MMDCCLIX and MMDCCLX a.U.c) I'm Magna Mater
Project coordinator:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Magna_Mater_project
http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/home.php
Last year, as curule aedile, I tried to fulfill with honor all my
duties, with respect for our Gods, our Ancestors and You, Nova Roma
citizens.
My cultural activities include the foundation of Dacia
webzine "Dacia Felix":
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Dacia_Felix_%28Nova_Roma%29
and this year I'm editor en chief of "Columnae Herculis":
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Columnae_Herculis_%28Nova_Roma%29
I'm, also, the builder of the virtual Temple of Mercurius.
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Temple-of-Mercurius.htm

Nova Roma is a great experience, one of the best of mine and I can
say without making a mistake, a major change in my life. During the
time, I learned and I found in you, novi romani, fine examples of
roman attitude, of roman virtues and great followers of roman way.
In the last three years I had only one purpose: taking your fine
examples to be to the same level of performance.
Now is the time for me to prove that. Now is the time for me to
demonstrate that I'm able to serve more our Res Publica and its
citizen's interests to another level and to put in this my best
abilities.

In my opinion, the consul is that person able to identify, to
organize, to find solutions and to lead.
As manager of my companies these are my activities day by day. I
have good results as time as I believe in common efforts, in working
teams and not only in individual and particular abilities.
I'm well experienced to work with people, as former major staff
officer and I'm member of two Romanian important official
organizations.

I believe in morality, in ethics and together with my wife, Arria
Carina and my son, Iulius Crassus, we are an honorable roman family
from roman limes.

With respect, I ask you, citizens to give me your trust vote.

SPQR.

OPTIME VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51899 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: EDICTUM CES. C. FABII BUTEONIS MODIANI DE CENSU ANNI MMDCCLX
Ex Officio Censoris Gai Fabii Buteonis Modiani:


EDICTUM CES. C. FABII BUTEONIS MODIANI DE CENSU ANNI MMDCCLX

Edictum of Censor C. Fabius Buteo Modianus about participating in the
Census of Nova Roma 2760


I. NOVA ROMA is now conducting its biennial census of citizens from
a.d VI Kalendas Novembres (Oct. 27) to auc. MMDCCLXI.

II. If you have voted, paid your taxes (annual fee) or joined within
the current year, then you have already been counted. If you have done
none of these things, then we request that you now participate in the
Census.

III. Those who do respond (which takes only seconds) will be counted
as full-fledged citizens of Nova Roma. Those who do not respond to
email, paper mail, or telephone call will be reclassified as a
"disappeared" citizen, and will thereafter be unable to vote or be a
paterfamliias until requesting and regaining citizen status.

IV. To register yourself as a citizen, go to:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/prefs?cmd=census

...and log in with your Roman Name and password. (If you've forgotten
your password you may easily reset it from here).

V. OR, you may simply reply to this message and state that you are
registering as a citizen (give your Roman name if you remember it so
we can be sure to credit the right person).

VI. To check whether you are already registered, go to the web site's
Album Civium;

http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album

and type your full Roman name into the Album Civium interface. Then
click your name to see load your personal profile page. There, you
will see either current/active next to the label "Status"; to
instantly move from current/active, go to the census page as described
above.

VII. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given the 27th of October, in the year of the Consulship of L.
Arminius Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus, 2760 AUC.

Datum est a.d. VI. Kalendas Novembres, L. Arminio Fausto Ti. Galerio
Paulino consulibus, in anno MMDCCLX AUC.

C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
CENSOR NOVAE ROMAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51900 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Salve optime mi Amice Tite Iuli !

It is welcome news to see you announce your candidacy for Consul.
You have always served with distinction in every office you have
held. I know that it shall be a great benefit to Nova Roma should
you be elected as Consul for 2008

Vale et bonam habe Fortunam
M Moravius Piscinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
<iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> I, Titus Iulius Sabinus, don the toga candida and enter the Forum
as
> candidate for consul of our Res Publica for the year a.U.c MMDCCLXI.
>
> SALVETE QUIRITES!
>
> I come with in front of you to present my candidacy as consul for
> the next year.
> I'm citizen of Nova Roma since MMDCCLVII a.U.c, assidui, and,
> starting with the moment I joined, I was day by day and hour after
> hour near you all, with my mind, my energy and all my abilities to
> contribute in each possible good way to Nova Roma development:
>
> I'm founder of Provincia Dacia and its legatus pro praetore since
> MMDCCLVIII a.U.c.
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Dacia_%28Nova_Roma%29
> http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/
> I served as scribe of praetor Galerius Paulinus, praetrix Tullia
> Scholastica, aedilis Iulius Sulla, aedilis Curius Saturninus,
> magister aranearius Cassius Calvus and magister aranearius Octavius
> Gracchus.
> I served as accensus of consuls Pompeia Minucia Strabo and Galerius
> Paulinus.
> This year I'm quaestor of aedilis Artoria Marcella and for two
> consecutive years (MMDCCLIX and MMDCCLX a.U.c) I'm Magna Mater
> Project coordinator:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Magna_Mater_project
> http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/home.php
> Last year, as curule aedile, I tried to fulfill with honor all my
> duties, with respect for our Gods, our Ancestors and You, Nova Roma
> citizens.
> My cultural activities include the foundation of Dacia
> webzine "Dacia Felix":
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Dacia_Felix_%28Nova_Roma%29
> and this year I'm editor en chief of "Columnae Herculis":
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Columnae_Herculis_%28Nova_Roma%29
> I'm, also, the builder of the virtual Temple of Mercurius.
> http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Temple-of-Mercurius.htm
>
> Nova Roma is a great experience, one of the best of mine and I can
> say without making a mistake, a major change in my life. During the
> time, I learned and I found in you, novi romani, fine examples of
> roman attitude, of roman virtues and great followers of roman way.
> In the last three years I had only one purpose: taking your fine
> examples to be to the same level of performance.
> Now is the time for me to prove that. Now is the time for me to
> demonstrate that I'm able to serve more our Res Publica and its
> citizen's interests to another level and to put in this my best
> abilities.
>
> In my opinion, the consul is that person able to identify, to
> organize, to find solutions and to lead.
> As manager of my companies these are my activities day by day. I
> have good results as time as I believe in common efforts, in
working
> teams and not only in individual and particular abilities.
> I'm well experienced to work with people, as former major staff
> officer and I'm member of two Romanian important official
> organizations.
>
> I believe in morality, in ethics and together with my wife, Arria
> Carina and my son, Iulius Crassus, we are an honorable roman family
> from roman limes.
>
> With respect, I ask you, citizens to give me your trust vote.
>
> SPQR.
>
> OPTIME VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51901 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-27
Subject: a. d. V Kalendas Novembris
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Bonam habete Fortunam.

Hodie est ante diem V Kalendas Novembris; haec dies comitialis est:
Isia inventio Osiris

Today begins an Isiac festival, through 3 November, of the Passion of
Isis as She searched for the dismembered body of Osiris.


AUC 244 / 509 BCE Birth of the Libera Res Publica Senati Populique
Romani

"The infant State would have been torn to pieces by internal
dissension. As it was, however, the moderate and tranquilising
authority of the kings had so fostered it that it was at last able to
bring forth the fair fruits of liberty in the maturity of its
strength. But the origin of liberty may be referred to this time
rather because the consular authority was limited to one year than
because there was any weakening of the authority which the kings had
possessed. The first consuls retained all the old jurisdiction and
insignia of office, one only, however, had the 'fasces,' to prevent
the fear which might have been inspired by the sight of both with
those dread symbols. Through the concession of his colleague, Brutus
had them first, and he was not less zealous in guarding the public
liberty than he had been in achieving it. His first act was to secure
the people, who were now jealous of their newly-recovered liberty,
from being influenced by any entreaties or bribes from the king. He
therefore made them take an oath that they would not suffer any man
to reign in Rome. The senate had been thinned by the murderous
cruelty of Tarquin, and Brutus' next care was to strengthen its
influence by selecting some of the leading men of equestrian rank to
fill the vacancies; by this means he brought it up to the old number
of three hundred. The new members were known as 'conscripti,' the old
ones retained their designation of 'patres.' This measure had a
wonderful effect in promoting harmony in the State and bringing the
patricians and plebeians together.

"He next gave his attention to the affairs of religion. Certain
public functions had hitherto been executed by the kings in person;
with the view of supplying their place a "king for sacrifices" was
created, and lest he should become king in anything more than name,
and so threaten that liberty which was their first care, his office
was made subordinate to the Pontifex Maximus." ~ Livy 2.1 –2.2.1


AUC 1085 / 312 CE Battle of Milvian Bridge

Today marks the anniversary of the ascension of Maxientius to the
imperial throne in 306 CE and also his death six years later when he
drowned during the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. It was before this
battle that Constantine was said to have had a vision and thus marked
the shields of his soldiers with the emblem of the rising sun or
Cross of Mithras. Later Christians described this emblem as the Chi
Rho sign or as a Christian cross. However Christians did not adopt
the cross as their emblem until a later time. Although Constantine
had the support of Christians in the east, and probably had
Christians among his soldiers, Christians were still a minority at
this time while the worship of Mithras and Sol invictus was popular
among the ranks. Constantine did not adopt Christianity for himself
until he lay on his deathbed. So in all probability it was with
Mithras that he inspired his legionaries on to victory.


Musonius Rufus 13a, On Marriage

"He said that a husband and wife come together in order to lead their
lives in common and to produce children, and that they should
consider all their property to be common, and nothing private, not
even their bodies. For the birth of a human being that such a union
produces is a significant event, but it is not sufficient for the
husband, because it could have come about without marriage, from some
other conjunction, as in the case of animals. In marriage there must
be complete companionship and concern for each other on the part of
both husband and wife, in health and in sickness and at all times,
because they entered upon the marriage for this reason as well as to
produce offspring. When such caring for one another is perfect, and
the married couple provide it for one another, and each strives to
outdo the other, then this is marriage as it ought to be and
deserving of emulation, since it is a noble union. But when one
partner looks to his own interests alone and neglects the others, or,
by Jove, the other is so minded that he lives in the same house, but
keeps his mind on what is outside it, and does not wish to pull
together with his partner or to cooperate, then inevitably the union
is destroyed, and although they live together their common interests
fare badly, and either they finally get divorced from one another or
they continue on in an existence that is worse than loneliness."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51902 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
M. Hortensia T.Iulio Sabino Quiritibus spd:
how to praise a 'can do' Nova Roman, someone who organizes
his province, goes to meetings, runs the Magna Mater project, held
games, is a model of energy and at the same time devoted to the
cultus deorum. It's also wonderful to see a father convey Romanitas
to his son. This is everything we aspire to be.
I admire T. Iulius Sabinus; he will be the kind of consul
who will accomplish much for Nova Roma.
bene valete in pacem deorm
M. Hortensia Maior

>
> Salve optime mi Amice Tite Iuli !
>
> It is welcome news to see you announce your candidacy for Consul.
> You have always served with distinction in every office you have
> held. I know that it shall be a great benefit to Nova Roma should
> you be elected as Consul for 2008
>
> Vale et bonam habe Fortunam
> M Moravius Piscinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
> <iulius_sabinus@> wrote:
> >
> > I, Titus Iulius Sabinus, don the toga candida and enter the
Forum
> as
> > candidate for consul of our Res Publica for the year a.U.c
MMDCCLXI.
> >
> > SALVETE QUIRITES!
> >
> > I come with in front of you to present my candidacy as consul
for
> > the next year.
> > I'm citizen of Nova Roma since MMDCCLVII a.U.c, assidui, and,
> > starting with the moment I joined, I was day by day and hour
after
> > hour near you all, with my mind, my energy and all my abilities
to
> > contribute in each possible good way to Nova Roma development:
> >
> > I'm founder of Provincia Dacia and its legatus pro praetore
since
> > MMDCCLVIII a.U.c.
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Dacia_%28Nova_Roma%29
> > http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/
> > I served as scribe of praetor Galerius Paulinus, praetrix Tullia
> > Scholastica, aedilis Iulius Sulla, aedilis Curius Saturninus,
> > magister aranearius Cassius Calvus and magister aranearius
Octavius
> > Gracchus.
> > I served as accensus of consuls Pompeia Minucia Strabo and
Galerius
> > Paulinus.
> > This year I'm quaestor of aedilis Artoria Marcella and for two
> > consecutive years (MMDCCLIX and MMDCCLX a.U.c) I'm Magna Mater
> > Project coordinator:
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Magna_Mater_project
> > http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/home.php
> > Last year, as curule aedile, I tried to fulfill with honor all
my
> > duties, with respect for our Gods, our Ancestors and You, Nova
Roma
> > citizens.
> > My cultural activities include the foundation of Dacia
> > webzine "Dacia Felix":
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Dacia_Felix_%28Nova_Roma%29
> > and this year I'm editor en chief of "Columnae Herculis":
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Columnae_Herculis_%28Nova_Roma%29
> > I'm, also, the builder of the virtual Temple of Mercurius.
> > http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Temple-of-Mercurius.htm
> >
> > Nova Roma is a great experience, one of the best of mine and I
can
> > say without making a mistake, a major change in my life. During
the
> > time, I learned and I found in you, novi romani, fine examples
of
> > roman attitude, of roman virtues and great followers of roman
way.
> > In the last three years I had only one purpose: taking your fine
> > examples to be to the same level of performance.
> > Now is the time for me to prove that. Now is the time for me to
> > demonstrate that I'm able to serve more our Res Publica and its
> > citizen's interests to another level and to put in this my best
> > abilities.
> >
> > In my opinion, the consul is that person able to identify, to
> > organize, to find solutions and to lead.
> > As manager of my companies these are my activities day by day. I
> > have good results as time as I believe in common efforts, in
> working
> > teams and not only in individual and particular abilities.
> > I'm well experienced to work with people, as former major staff
> > officer and I'm member of two Romanian important official
> > organizations.
> >
> > I believe in morality, in ethics and together with my wife,
Arria
> > Carina and my son, Iulius Crassus, we are an honorable roman
family
> > from roman limes.
> >
> > With respect, I ask you, citizens to give me your trust vote.
> >
> > SPQR.
> >
> > OPTIME VALETE,
> > IVL SABINVS
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51903 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
SALVE OPTIME MI AMICE MARCE MORAVI!

Thank you for your kind words.
We done together great things and without doubts between us is a
great respect.
I know, too, that it shall be a great benefit to Nova Roma should
you be elected as Consul for 2008.

VALE OPTIME,
IVL SABINVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve optime mi Amice Tite Iuli !
>
> It is welcome news to see you announce your candidacy for Consul.
> You have always served with distinction in every office you have
> held. I know that it shall be a great benefit to Nova Roma should
> you be elected as Consul for 2008
>
> Vale et bonam habe Fortunam
> M Moravius Piscinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51904 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
It would be good for Nova Roma to have both Titus Iulius Sabinus and Marcus
Horatius Piscinus as consuls! Two very qualified citizens who respect each
other, and who would undoubtedly work well together. It is so important for
colleagues to trust and respect each other! Nova Roma would surely be
blessed if these two fine candidates where elected!

Valete:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 10/28/07, Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVE OPTIME MI AMICE MARCE MORAVI!
>
> Thank you for your kind words.
> We done together great things and without doubts between us is a
> great respect.
> I know, too, that it shall be a great benefit to Nova Roma should
> you be elected as Consul for 2008.
>
> VALE OPTIME,
> IVL SABINVS
>
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51905 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
SALVE ET SALVETE!

Marca Hortensia, you pointed out an important thing for me: my son
and his romanitas.
I'm proud, as father, to say that day by day my son, Iulius Crassus,
is more interested about that. Step by step, he becomes man in his
life with great personality and dignity. Next year, following the
roman tradition, he will wear toga virilis. I talked with him about
that and it seems that the proper moment for this ceremony is in the
Nova Roma Conventus time. In 2008, Nova Roma Conventus is organized
in Dacia. I want to believe that in the third year of its existence
Dacia demonstrated that it deserves the vote trust of its creation
and has an ascendant course of development.

In the same way, I'm glad to see you running for censor. I know you
from my first days in Nova Roma and you were among the first who
explained me the goals of Magna Mater project.
Your effective contribution to Nova Roma is unquestionable and you
belong to those people who have in their mind one thing: facta non
verba!

VALE OPTIME,
IVL SABINVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

> how to praise a 'can do' Nova Roman, someone who organizes
> his province, goes to meetings, runs the Magna Mater project, held
> games, is a model of energy and at the same time devoted to the
> cultus deorum. It's also wonderful to see a father convey
Romanitas to his son. This is everything we aspire to be.
> I admire T. Iulius Sabinus; he will be the kind of consul
> who will accomplish much for Nova Roma.
> bene valete in pacem deorm
> M. Hortensia Maior
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51906 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Salvete Ouirites!

I am so happy to see Titus Iulius Sabinus stand for the Consulship. I
know that he really is deeply dedicated and that he already has done
a lot for Nova Roma and Romanitas. Titus Iulius Sabinus has my full
support in his run for the Consulship.

>I, Titus Iulius Sabinus, don the toga candida and enter the Forum as
>candidate for consul of our Res Publica for the year a.U.c MMDCCLXI.
>
>SALVETE QUIRITES!
>
>I come with in front of you to present my candidacy as consul for
>the next year.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senator, Censorius et Consularis
Accensus LAF, Scribae Censoris GFBM
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51907 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
Salve et Salvete!

I know I'm new on New Rome, but I want to have a good start here, so, I would like to announce my candidacy to Tribunus Plebis. what should I do?

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] My candidacy - Consul.


Salvete Ouirites!

I am so happy to see Titus Iulius Sabinus stand for the Consulship. I
know that he really is deeply dedicated and that he already has done
a lot for Nova Roma and Romanitas. Titus Iulius Sabinus has my full
support in his run for the Consulship.

>I, Titus Iulius Sabinus, don the toga candida and enter the Forum as
>candidate for consul of our Res Publica for the year a.U.c MMDCCLXI.
>
>SALVETE QUIRITES!
>
>I come with in front of you to present my candidacy as consul for
>the next year.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senator, Censorius et Consularis
Accensus LAF, Scribae Censoris GFBM
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51908 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: Tribunician candidacy
Salve Luci Fideli,

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> I know I'm new on New Rome, but I want to have a good start here,
> so, I would like to announce my candidacy to Tribunus Plebis. what
> should I do?

Wait until next year. You have to be a citizen for at least six
months and an assiduus (tax payer) to run for office.

In the meantime, be active and get to know people.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51909 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Português - Édito Censorial sobre o Censo 2760
Salvete et valete

Envio abaixo a tradução para o português do Édito emitido pelo Censor Fabius
Buteo Modianus acerca do censo bienal de 2760.
Caso os cidadãos falantes de português tenham alguma dificuldade com o
formulário do censo, que está em inglês, sugiro que me escrevam pedindo
ajuda.

TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
Interpres Linguae Lusitanicae

===========================================================

EDICTUM CES. C. FABII BUTEONIS MODIANI DE CENSU ANNI MMDCCLX

Édito do Censor C. Fabius Buteo Modianus sobre a participação no Censo de
Nova Roma 2760


I. NOVA ROMA realizará o seu censo bienal a partir de a.d VI Kalendas
Novembres MMDCCLXI a.u.c. (27 de outubro de 2007).

II. Se você votou, pagou os impostos anuais ou entrou para Nova Roma neste
ano, você JÁ FOI CONTADO. Se você não fez nenhuma dessas coisas, então
solicitamos que você participe agora do Censo.

III. Aqueles que responderem ao Censo (o que leva apenas alguns segundos),
serão contados como cidadãos ativos em Nova Roma, com todos os privilégios.
Os que não responderem, receberão email, cartas pelo correio convencional ou
telefonema; se ainda assim não responderem, serão classificados como
cidadãos "desaparecidos", e perderão o direito de votar e de ser
paterfamilias até que solicitem e recebam novamente a cidadania.

IV. Para se registrar, vá para:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/prefs?cmd=census

...e faça o login com seu nome romano e senha. (Se você esqueceu a sua
senha, você pode facilmente solicitar outra ali mesmo).

V. OU, você pode simplesmente responder essa mensagem dizendo que você está
se registrando como cidadão ativo (não se esqueça de nos fornecer seu nome
romano, para que possamos creditar a cidadania à pessoa certa).

VI. Para confirmar se você já está registrado, vá até o Album Civium:

http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album

e digite seu nome romano no formulário. Clique no seu nome para carregar a
página com o seu perfil. Então, você verá uma observação "current" ou
"active" junto à legenda "Status". Caso apareça outra coisa, faça o sugerido
nos ítens acima, o que corrigirá instantaneamente.

VII. O édito se efetiva instantaneamente.

Dado em 27 de outubro, no ano consular de L. Arminius Faustus e Ti. Galerius
Paulinus, 2760 AUC.

Datum est a.d. VI. Kalendas Novembres, L. Arminio Fausto Ti. Galerio Paulino
consulibus, in anno MMDCCLX AUC.

C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
CENSOR NOVAE ROMAE

[Traduzido por T. Arminius Genialis, intérprete para o português. O texto
oficial deste édito é a sua versão em inglês]
[Translated by T. Arminius Genialis, interpreter for Portuguese. The
official text of this edictum is its version in English]

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51910 From: liviacases Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Candidacy declaration Tribuna Plebis Lucia Livia Plauta
LUCIA LIVIA PLAUTA FOR TRIBUNA PLEBIS!

Salvete cives Novae Romae!

I'd like to present my candidacy for the office of Tribunus Plebis in
MMDCCLXI A·V·C (2008 CE).

I'm a 41 year old italian woman. I was born in Rome, lived in Torino,
and I've been living in Budapest and teaching Italian at university
for 15 years. Though my knowledge of Latin dates back to high school
times, I can at least read it.

I have always been interested in Roman antiquity and I am committed to
the religion of Nova Roma. Recently I have started collecting roman
fibulae.
Apart from English, I speak and read Hungarian, German, French and
Spanish.

Even though I'm a new citizen I've already taken part and helped
organize Nova Roman activities and reenactment events here in
Provincia Pannonia and I have made contact with the italian mailing
list. Currently I serve Nova Roma as Scriba Legati pro Praetore in
Pannonia.

As private citizen, my mid-term plan is to produce and sell
reproductions of all sorts of roman and ancient greek objects, like
jewelery, clothes, terracottas. At the moment I'm in an experimental
phase (until the end of this year), and I'm concentrating on two
products, the reproduction of a roman fibula, and the copy of a V.
century b.C. greek terracotta doll.

In my opinion the Tribunate is a very important office in Nova Roma,
and gives a good opportunity to make positive changes and improve our
society.
I'd like to help expand Nova Roma and make it more efficient, and I
can promise I will be an active Tribuna Plebis, trying to work in a
constructive way and not only using intercessio. Due to my status as
an expat I feel particularly able to act as a unifying agent among
the various provinces and willing to represent their plebs.

Valete omnes!

Lucia Livia Plauta
Scriba Legati pro Praetore (Provincia Pannonia)
Tribuna Plebis Candidata
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51911 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: Candidacy declaration Tribuna Plebis Lucia Livia Plauta
Salve Lucia Livia Plauta

I am happy to see you as candidate for the tribunate, but your declaration of candidacy is incomplete: you must send your declaration to one of the current tribunes and to the list of the COmitia Plebis Tributa.

Vale bene

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima

----- Original Message -----
From: liviacases
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Candidacy declaration Tribuna Plebis Lucia Livia Plauta


LUCIA LIVIA PLAUTA FOR TRIBUNA PLEBIS!

Salvete cives Novae Romae!

I'd like to present my candidacy for the office of Tribunus Plebis in
MMDCCLXI A·V·C (2008 CE).

I'm a 41 year old italian woman. I was born in Rome, lived in Torino,
and I've been living in Budapest and teaching Italian at university
for 15 years. Though my knowledge of Latin dates back to high school
times, I can at least read it.

I have always been interested in Roman antiquity and I am committed to
the religion of Nova Roma. Recently I have started collecting roman
fibulae.
Apart from English, I speak and read Hungarian, German, French and
Spanish.

Even though I'm a new citizen I've already taken part and helped
organize Nova Roman activities and reenactment events here in
Provincia Pannonia and I have made contact with the italian mailing
list. Currently I serve Nova Roma as Scriba Legati pro Praetore in
Pannonia.

As private citizen, my mid-term plan is to produce and sell
reproductions of all sorts of roman and ancient greek objects, like
jewelery, clothes, terracottas. At the moment I'm in an experimental
phase (until the end of this year), and I'm concentrating on two
products, the reproduction of a roman fibula, and the copy of a V.
century b.C. greek terracotta doll.

In my opinion the Tribunate is a very important office in Nova Roma,
and gives a good opportunity to make positive changes and improve our
society.
I'd like to help expand Nova Roma and make it more efficient, and I
can promise I will be an active Tribuna Plebis, trying to work in a
constructive way and not only using intercessio. Due to my status as
an expat I feel particularly able to act as a unifying agent among
the various provinces and willing to represent their plebs.

Valete omnes!

Lucia Livia Plauta
Scriba Legati pro Praetore (Provincia Pannonia)
Tribuna Plebis Candidata





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51912 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: EDICTUM CES. C. FABII BUTEONIS MODIANI DE CENSU ANNI MMDCCLX (Spanis
TRANSLATION OF THE EDICTUM CES. C. FABII BUTEONIS MODIANI DE CENSU ANNI
MMDCCLX
TRADUCCION DEL EDICTUM CES. C. FABII BUTEONIS MODIANI DE CENSU ANNI MMDCCLX



Ex Officio Censoris Gai Fabii Buteonis Modiani:

EDICTUM CES. C. FABII BUTEONIS MODIANI DE CENSU ANNI MMDCCLX

Edictum del Censor C. Fabius Buteo Modianus sobre la participación en el
Censo de Nova Roma en 2760

I. NOVA ROMA está realizando ahora su Censo bianual desde a.d VI Kalendas
Novembres (Oct. 27) .

II. Si has votado, pagado tus impuestos o te has inscrito durante el
presente año tu ya figuras censado. Si no has hecho ninguna de estas cosas
tenemos que pedirte que participes en el Censo.

III. Aquellos que respondan al censo (cosa que les tomará muy poco tiempo)
quedarán debidamente registrados. Aquellos que no respondan a los email,
cartas, o llamadas telefónicas serán reclasificados como ciudadanos
"desaparecidos" y no podrán ejercer ni el voto ni ser paterfamilias hasta
que no soliciten la restitución de su estatus de ciudadanos.

IV. Para registrarse uno mismo como ciudadano, hay que ir a:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/prefs?cmd=census

...y loguearse con el nombre romano y la contraseña. (Si se ha olvidado la
contraseña está podrá ser reseteada desde esta pagina).

V. O, simplemente se puede contestar a este mensaje para ser registrado
(indicar el nombre Romano para estar seguros de registrar a la persona
correcta).

VI. Para comprobar si uno está debidamente registrado hay que ir al Album
Civium:

http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album

escribir el nombre romano. Al clicar sobre su nombre se cargará el perfil
personal de cada uno. En esta pagina se podrá ver si uno está registrado
como Current Active en el apartado Status. Si no figura dicha leyenda habrá
que proceder como se ha explicado más arriba.

VII. Este Edicto es efectivo inmediatamente.

Emitido el 27 de Octubre, en el año del Consulado de L.Arminius Faustus y
Ti. Galerius Paulinus, 2760 AUC.

Datum est a.d. VI. Kalendas Novembres, L. Arminio Fausto Ti. Galerio Paulino
consulibus, in anno MMDCCLX AUC.

C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
CENSOR NOVAE ROMAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51913 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Election MMDCCLX, 10/29/2007, 12:00 am
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Election MMDCCLX
 
Date:   Monday October 29, 2007
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday until Wednesday October 31, 2007.
Location:   http://novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLX_(Nova_Roma)
Notes:   Please announce your candidacy on the Main List and by posting to Consul Paulinus at: spqr753@... . To serve in any of these offices one must have been a citizen for at least six months by Kal. Ian. 2761 (January 1st, 2008) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen.

Candidates will be accepted until pr. Kal. Nov. (October 31st 2760 ) 2359 Roman time.

The voting will commence on the a.d. XVII Kal. Dec.(November 15th), pending favorable auspices.

Candidates and candidate statements are listed at http://novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLX_%28Nova_Roma%29
 
Copyright © 2007  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51914 From: Ice Hunter Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Candidates for Consul
Salvete omnes,

Try as I might, I cannot think of two better cives to be consul next year than the two candidates who have put themselves forward. Piscinus and Sabinus are both exceptional cives who have proven their devotion to NR more times than can be readily counted. The very thought of a year under their guidance gladdens my heart.

Valete bene,
T. Artoria Marcella

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51915 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul
Salve Tita Artoria, et salvete omnes,

Ice Hunter <icehunter@...> writes:
> Try as I might, I cannot think of two better cives to be consul next
> year than the two candidates who have put themselves forward.
> Piscinus and Sabinus are both exceptional cives who have proven
> their devotion to NR more times than can be readily counted. The
> very thought of a year under their guidance gladdens my heart.

My own feeling exactly. I will not be posting my endorsements for any
offices until shortly before the election, but I must agree with
Artoria that we are fortunate indeed to have these two superb
candidates for consul.

Vale, et valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51916 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Our Res Publica...
...rest upon the shoulders of those who care enough to participate.

We have 2 fine candidates for Censor, with one opening to fill;
2 each for Consul and Praetor with 2 each each to fill, NONE for
Curule Aedile with TWO to fill, NONE for Quaestor with EIGHT to fill,
NONE for Rogator with TWO to fill, 1 for Diribitor with FOUR to fill,
1 for Custos with TWO to fill, 1 for Aedilis Plebis with TWO to fill
and 3 fro Tribunus Plebis with FIVE to fill.

I am running to become a Custos for the coming year. It is neither
the "highest" nor the "lowest" office to which I have aspired.

I have been a Cives Nova Romana since Iulius MMDCCLI AUC (July, 1998
CE). This is my 6th time seeking elective office; having been elected
the five previous times I have offered myself to the People of Nova
Roma.

I am a Man of the North ( a Germanic Pagan) as much as I am a Roman.

I believe that Nova Roma has a good, wise, strong future.

Join me!!!

Hell, I would not in the least begrudge being knocked off in the
election because the People of our Republic were swamped with
qualified candidates.

Step forward folks, stand with me.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/stefnullarsson
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51917 From: decimus_iulius_caesar Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: Re: Our Res Publica...
Salve,

I have been a bad Roman considering my participation within this
forum has been less than adequate and I must apologize deeply and
sincerely for that, but unfortunately things in life have been a
relatively fine, and I say with much sarcasm, rollercoaster. Though,
I still do pay my taxes as any good Roman does and I learn about our
culture everyday. I've been a Citizen since the waning days of 2004,
so if I were a veteran of our beautiful Res Publica and had more time
on my hands I would certainly be more open to running for a position,
but I'm only a young citizen and inexperienced in Nova Roma politics.

So with that, I say bona fortuna and may the Gods watch over thee.

Vale,
Decimus Iulius Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stefn Ullerius Venator
Piperbarbus" <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> ...rest upon the shoulders of those who care enough to participate.
>
> We have 2 fine candidates for Censor, with one opening to fill;
> 2 each for Consul and Praetor with 2 each each to fill, NONE for
> Curule Aedile with TWO to fill, NONE for Quaestor with EIGHT to
fill,
> NONE for Rogator with TWO to fill, 1 for Diribitor with FOUR to
fill,
> 1 for Custos with TWO to fill, 1 for Aedilis Plebis with TWO to fill
> and 3 fro Tribunus Plebis with FIVE to fill.
>
> I am running to become a Custos for the coming year. It is neither
> the "highest" nor the "lowest" office to which I have aspired.
>
> I have been a Cives Nova Romana since Iulius MMDCCLI AUC (July, 1998
> CE). This is my 6th time seeking elective office; having been
elected
> the five previous times I have offered myself to the People of Nova
> Roma.
>
> I am a Man of the North ( a Germanic Pagan) as much as I am a Roman.
>
> I believe that Nova Roma has a good, wise, strong future.
>
> Join me!!!
>
> Hell, I would not in the least begrudge being knocked off in the
> election because the People of our Republic were swamped with
> qualified candidates.
>
> Step forward folks, stand with me.
>
> =========================================
> In amicitia quod fides -
> Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
> Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor
>
> Religio Septentrionalis - Poet
>
> Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
>
> http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
> http://www.myspace.com/stefnullarsson
> http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
> http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
> --
> May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
> May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
> May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51918 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-28
Subject: a. d. IIII Kalendas Novembris
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus sitis.

Hodie est ante diem IIII Kalendas Novembris; haec dies comitialis
est: Isia inventio Osiris.

The Passion of Isis continues today inside Her sanctuary on the
Campus Martius.

"Many also avoid the fourth day before the Kalends, Nones, and Ides
as ill-omened. It is often inquired whether any religious reason for
that observation is recorded. I myself have found nothing in
literature pertaining to that matter, except that Quintus Claudius
Quadrigarius, in the fifth book of his Annales, says that the
prodigious slaughter of the Battle of Cannae occurred on the fourth
day before the Nones of August." ~ Gellius Noctes Atticae 5.17.3-5

The fourth day prior to the Kalends, Nones, and Ides were thus
treated as dies ater in the private practice of the religio Romana,
but only in certain families, probably of those who had lost sons at
the battle, 2 August 216 BCE.


AUC 244 / 509 Origin of the Campus Martius and the Tiber Isle

"The question of the restoration of (Tarquin's) property was
referred anew to the senate, who yielding to their feelings of
resentment prohibited its restoration, and forbade its being brought
into the treasury; it was given as plunder to the plebs, that their
share in this spoliation might destroy for ever any prospect of
peaceable relations with the Tarquins. The land of the Tarquins,
which lay between the City and the Tiber, was henceforth sacred to
Mars and known as the Campus Martius. There happened, it is said, to
be a crop of corn there which was ripe for the harvest, and as it
would have been sacrilege to consume what was growing on the Campus,
a large body of men were sent to cut it. They carried it, straw and
all, in baskets to the Tiber and threw it into the river. It was the
height of the summer and the stream was low, consequently the corn
stuck in the shallows, and heaps of it were covered with mud;
gradually as the debris which the river brought down collected there,
an island was formed. I believe that it was subsequently raised and
strengthened so that the surface might be high enough above the water
and firm enough to carry temples and colonnades." ~ Livy 2.5

AUC 244 / 509 BCE Death of Brutus

(Tarquin's) appeal decided the Veientines, they one and all loudly
demanded that their former humiliations should be wiped out and their
losses made good, now that they had a Roman to lead them. The people
of Tarquinii were won over by the name and nationality of the exile;
they were proud of having a countryman as king in Rome. So two armies
from these cities followed Tarquin to recover his crown and chastise
the Romans. When they had entered the Roman territory the consuls
advanced against them; Valerius with the infantry in phalanx
formation, Brutus reconnoitring in advance with the cavalry.
Similarly the enemy's cavalry was in front of his main body, Arruns
Tarquin, the king's son, in command; the king himself followed with
the legionaries. Whilst still at a distance Arruns distinguished the
consul by his escort of lictors; as they drew nearer he clearly
recognised Brutus by his features, and in a transport of rage
exclaimed, 'That is the man who drove us from our country; see him
proudly advancing, adorned with our insignia! Ye gods, avengers of
kings, aid me!' With these words, he dug spurs into his horse and
rode straight at the consul. Brutus saw that he was making for him.
It was a point of honour in those days for the leaders to engage in
single combat, so he eagerly accepted the challenge, and they charged
with such fury, neither of them thinking of protecting himself, if
only he could wound his foe, that each drove his spear at the same
moment through the other's shield, and they fell dying from their
horses, with the spears sticking in them. The rest of the cavalry at
once engaged, and not long after the infantry came up. The battle
raged with varying fortune, the two armies being fairly matched; the
right wing of each was victorious, the left defeated. The Veientes,
accustomed to defeat at the hands of the Romans, were scattered in
flight, but the Tarquinians, a new foe, not only held their ground,
but forced the Romans to give way. After the battle had gone in this
way, so great a panic seized Tarquin and the Etruscans that the two
armies of Veii and Tarquinii, on the approach of night, despairing of
success, left the field and departed for their homes. The story of
the battle was enriched by marvels. In the silence of the next night
a great voice is said to have come from the forest of Arsia, believed
to be the voice of Silvanus, which spoke thus: 'The fallen of the
Tusci are one more than those of their foe; the Roman is conqueror.'
At all events the Romans left the field as victors; the Etruscans
regarded themselves as vanquished, for when daylight appeared not a
single enemy was in sight. P. Valerius, the consul, collected the
spoils and returned in triumph to Rome. He celebrated his colleague's
obsequies with all the pomp possible in those days, but far greater
honour was done to the dead by the universal mourning, which was
rendered specially noteworthy by the fact that the matrons were a
whole year in mourning for him, because he had been such a determined
avenger of violated chastity." ~ Livy 2.6-2.7


Thought of the day from Epictetus, Enchiridion 14

"If you wish your children and your wife and your friends to live
forever, you are foolish; for you wish things to be in your power
which are not so; and what belongs to others to be your own. So
likewise, if you wish your servant to be without fault, you are
foolish; for you wish vice not to be vice, but something else. But if
you wish not to be disappointed in your desires, that is in your own
power. Exercise, therefore, what is in your power. A man's master is
he who is able to confer or remove whatever that man seeks or shuns.
Whoever then would be free, let him wish for nothing, let him decline
nothing, which depends on others; else he must necessarily be a
slave."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51919 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul
Salvete Quirites omnes

Gratias magnas Tita Artoriae et Gnaeo Equitio Marino ago. I can think
of no one with whom I would rather serve as my colleague in any
office than Titus Iulius Sabinus.

I find sobering, however, the words of our old acquaintance Venator.
We have now begun Census 2007. Already we can see a moderate growth
took place in the two years that has passed since our last census.
There are now over 1200 active Citizens, and increase of more than
300. Yet the number of assidui is flat. Activity in some provinciae
has fallen off. It has become increasingly more difficult to find
candidates to fill all the offices necessary to have Nova Roma
continue to function. And activity on some of our lists, and in our
sodalitates has fallen off as well.

The year ahead poses many challenges. We shall need to regroup and
reorganize, to prepare for a brighter future in years to come. The
Consules can offer their leadership. They can provide their example
at diligence, self-sacrifice, and determination. But they cannot do
the job alone.

We need all Citizens to make a commitment to building a future for
Nova Roma. Yes, we need more qualitified people to step forward to
fill vacant offices. Yes, we need more of our Citizens to commit to
Nova Roma by paying their taxes and becoming assidui. But more than
that we need our Citizens coming together, sharing their knowledge on
the lists, entering the sodalitates and working to create more of the
Nova Roma culture. We need them contributing to the NRwiki pages to
provide more information to our fellow Citizens and to the world. We
need them meeting one another, face to face, sharing ideas and
building local communities for themselves, for their provincia, and
for a greater Nova Roma. Building a community first, one for everyone
to share in and enjoy, is what will sustain Nova Roma's growth and
resolve whatever problems we may face.

Di Deaeque vos bene ament
M Moravius Piscinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve Tita Artoria, et salvete omnes,
>
> Ice Hunter <icehunter@...> writes:
> > Try as I might, I cannot think of two better cives to be consul
next
> > year than the two candidates who have put themselves forward.
> > Piscinus and Sabinus are both exceptional cives who have proven
> > their devotion to NR more times than can be readily counted.
The
> > very thought of a year under their guidance gladdens my heart.
>
> My own feeling exactly. I will not be posting my endorsements for
any
> offices until shortly before the election, but I must agree with
> Artoria that we are fortunate indeed to have these two superb
> candidates for consul.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51920 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
SALVE FABI BUTEO QUINTILIANE!

Thank you very much for support and your kind words.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
<christer.edling@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Ouirites!
>
> I am so happy to see Titus Iulius Sabinus stand for the
Consulship. I
> know that he really is deeply dedicated and that he already has
done
> a lot for Nova Roma and Romanitas. Titus Iulius Sabinus has my
full
> support in his run for the Consulship.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51921 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: My candidacy - Consul.
SALVE FABI BUTEO MODIANE!

One thing is sure: between me and Marcus Horatius is great respect,
we can work well together and we are able to find, with wisdom, the
proper ways to communicate each over and with all magistrates.
Thank you for support.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> It would be good for Nova Roma to have both Titus Iulius Sabinus
and Marcus
> Horatius Piscinus as consuls! Two very qualified citizens who
respect each
> other, and who would undoubtedly work well together. It is so
important for
> colleagues to trust and respect each other! Nova Roma would
surely be
> blessed if these two fine candidates where elected!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51922 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul
SALVETE!

Thank you both, Artoria Marcella and Equite Marine, for support. I
will do all my best to continue Nova Roma's fine goals, started ten
years ago.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Tita Artoria, et salvete omnes,
>
> Ice Hunter <icehunter@...> writes:
> > Try as I might, I cannot think of two better cives to be consul
next
> > year than the two candidates who have put themselves
forward.
> > Piscinus and Sabinus are both exceptional cives who have
proven
> > their devotion to NR more times than can be readily counted.
The
> > very thought of a year under their guidance gladdens my heart.
>
> My own feeling exactly. I will not be posting my endorsements for
any
> offices until shortly before the election, but I must agree with
> Artoria that we are fortunate indeed to have these two superb
> candidates for consul.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51923 From: Caius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Declaration of Candidacy for the Office of Diribitor.
Caius Aemilius Crassus omnibus civibus SPD,

I don the toga Candida and stand in the Forum to
present my candidacy to the office of Diribitor.

I am a full citizen of Nova Roma since May of 2760 AUC
(2007 CE) and Assidui from this year. I am a Plebeian
of Gens Aemilia and Tribus Maecia. I live in Provincia
Hispania, Portugal, where I am a PhD student of
Applied Physics.

I am confident that my lack of experience in Nova Roma
will not be a hindrance to fulfil the duties of the
office of Diribitor.

Di Novam Romam incolumem custodiant.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51924 From: Marcus Iulius Severus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: ENDORSING SABINVS
Salvere Quirites,

I am really glad to know that Titus Iulius Sabinus is running for the Consulhip. I can't think of any other Nova Roman citizen better qualified for such high responsibility.
Sabinus has my full support.

Valete optime,


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51925 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: a.d. III Kal. Dec. (29 Nov. 2007 Gregorian) dies Comitiales
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Trib. Pleb. Fl. Cer. S.P.D.

a.d. III Kal. Dec. (29 Nov. 2007 Gregorian) dies Comitialis

These days are identical to dies fasti (or dies profesti) except
that dies Comitiales are reserved for the celebration of public
assemblies. If no magistrate calls any of the Comitia on a dies
comitialis, it shall be treated as a dies fastus (working day). If a
magistrate calls the Comitia, then a vote may take place. The
result of such a vote will be binding on the magistrates. As such,
if no magistrate calls any of the Comitia today:

Tribunals may be open & the praetors may fully perform their duties;
Petitio actionis and other documents may be accepted;
Marriages and private worship may be celebrated;
Contiones may be called and celebrated;
The temples are open for all normal purposes unless stated by their
lex templi;
Citizens my express their will but any vote conducted will not be
binding on the magistrates;
Markets may be open, business transacted, contracts signed, & private
activities may take place normally.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51926 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: The Census 2760
The Prid. Kal. Feb. is dies Comitialis and follows the Paganalia?so there is no reason why it cannot begin from the standpoint of the Sacra et Religio.?



Fl. Galerius Aurelianus,

Flamen Cerialis?


-----Original Message-----
From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus <spqr753@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 8:32 am
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Census 2760








Salve M. Hortensia Maior

I am glad to hear that you are willing to help with the census for 2760
a.u.c. (2007) but it seems the effort to conduct the Census at this late
hour is too little, too late.

Let me explain.

According to the terms of the Lex Fabia de Censu the required biennial
census "will last for a period of sixteen (16) weeks, and must be
completed by Pridie Kal. Novembres (the 31st of October). The start and
end of the Census period will be announced by the Censors on the NR
website, official lists, and in the major fora. The official lists are
currently located at nova-roma@yahoogroups.com and
NovaRoma-Announce@.... Notification must also be published on the
Nova Roma Message board. The Censors shall also ask the Governors to
announce the Census period on the provincial level."

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_de_censu_%28Nova_Roma%29
<http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Fabia_de_censu_%28Nova_Roma%29>

In order to comply with the law the census has to be completed by Pridie
Kal. Novembres (the 31st of October). In order to do so the census for
2760 a.u.c would have to have been started on the 12th of July (16 weeks
x 7 days each = 112 days ) at the latest and as far as I know it has
not. The Censors have not made any official announcements that they are
conducting the census. In fact the last few posts on this topic clearly
indicates that they are just now preparing to start.

I have drafted and will submit to the electorate the following Lex to
remedy this situation.

Draft Lex Galeria de Censu

The Lex Galeria de Censu is a temporary measure that authorizes the
Censors of 2761 a.u.c. to conduct, in 2761 a.u.c the 2760 a.u.c census..
All provisions of the Lex Fabia de Censu shall be adhered to and remain
in effect with the following exceptions.

The Nova Roma Census 2760 a.u.c. will last for a period of sixteen (16)
weeks. It must start no later that the Pridie Kal Feb. ( 31 January 2008
) and must be completed by a.d. XI Kal. Iun. (22 May 2008) This Lex
shall only apply through the end of the year 2761 a.u.c.

Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Consul

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51927 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Census 2760-Why was it not begun on time by the current Censores
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Tribunus Plebis S.P.D.



I am curious as to the precise reasons why the Census was not begun on schedule by the current Censores, according to the existing leges and traditions.  It would seem that the Censores are solely responsible for this activity and the Consuls and other magistrates should not be involved in when it was begun.  Is there a legitimate reason for the delay?

valete. 


-----Original Message-----
From: David Kling (Modianus) <tau.athanasios@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 4:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Census 2760




Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Tibero Galerio Paulino salutem dicit
T. Galerius Paulinus writes: "Given that a Censor is "To safeguard the
ublic morality and honor" … it is especially important that they obey the
aw."
Modianus responds: Of course it does depend on one's interpretation of
orality and honor. For example, let us consider that I hold it as
onorable to keep my word. Therefore, keeping my word is an honorable
ction. If you don't value keeping your word then it is not honorable to
reak your word if you believe it beneficial to you to break your word.
hose view of honor trumps the other? Additionally, if it honorable to
onduct a census then conducting one, even "unofficially" is honorable.
T. Galerius Paulinus writes: "By "direct communications" do you mean like
y phone call to you earlier this week on another matter? Or the numerous
alls that I have placed to you in the last two years to discuss some of the
ssues of the day. Last time I checked my phone is in working order and I
an recieve calls as well as make them."
Modianus responds: The conversation we had earlier this week had absolutely
othing to do with the situation we are dealing with now. Additionally,
any of the calls we have had in the past several years have been futile
ttempts at cooperation. We talk, we have a consensus, and then you go and
o something completely different to what we agreed upon. This, from my
erspective, has been the course of things.
You claim that your phone is in working order. I don't presume that it is
roke. However, I cannot read your mind and had no idea you would post what
ou did about our efforts to conduct a census. Am I to predict your actions
efore you make them, and call you on the phone. Should I take auguries on
daily basis asking the Gods if I should call you, in an attempt to discern
heir will? It seems like an absurd assumption on your part to assume that
should have contacted you before you posted to the main list asking for an
lternative.
However, if you had contacted me directly (i.e., not via the main list) then
would have suggested you propose legislation declaring the census of 2007,
lbeit conducted late, valid. Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, who
onducted the last census under the direction of Caeso Fabius Buteo
uintilianus, claims that it can be done in time and when he conducted he
id it for the first time, therefore, the second census should be easier to
onduct. He is now on a team of very accomplished Nova Romans (Marca
ortensia Maior, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, & Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus) all
f whom have experience in censoral matters.
You would do our Republic a service to pass legislation declaring this
ensus valid.
T. Galerius Paulinus writes: "Communications is a two way street."
Modianus responds: Agreed. Communication does involved at least two
arties and I would add that effective communication includes listening,
nderstanding, and potentially conflict resolution.
Vale:
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
On 10/25/07, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus <spqr753@...> wrote:

Salve Censor Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

"The most important aspect of being a censor is
the administrative duties of the office."

I agree with you as long as one does so in a legal
and constitutional manner. Given that a Censor is
"To safeguard the public morality and honor" …
it is especially important that they obey the law.

"It would have been polite if Consul Galerius had
contacted me in private about his proposed census lex.
Unfortunately it seems that he would rather communicate
with me through the main list. If he is elected censor
I hope he learns the value of direct communication."

By "direct communications" do you mean like my phone call
to you earlier this week on another matter? Or the
numerous calls that I have placed to you in the last
two years to discuss some of the issues of the day.
Last time I checked my phone is in working order and
I can recieve calls as well as make them.

Communications is a two way street.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51928 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus M. Horatio Piscino sal.

Will the candidates for consul, praetor, and quaestor do anything about the long standing problem with Nova Roma's finances?? When will our elected corporate officers actually be in charge of the tax monies that the assidui pay instead of leaving it in the hands of a financial officer who was not chosen by the People??When will Nova Roma's funds be transferred to a national bank that would facilitate the transfer of control each year to the duly elected corporate officers?? When will the Senate adopt a standard request form so that gubenatores can request funds for projects and events from the assidui funds paid in by their provincial citizens??

If the candidates for consul (co-president), praetor (co-vice president), and quaestor (treasurers) do nothing more than that in 2761, it will be a powerful improvement over the structure that has existed for the last five or more years.

As a provincial gubernator, it has been difficult for me to encourage my citizens to become taxpayers when there is no apparent benefit.? The principal reason I collected taxes this year was to insure that our province would have funds on hand for projects and events instead of depending on a central administration that is financially powerless.? Because of this, our province has been able to contribute to one religious celebration and one public demonstration without having to pay it completely out of someone's personal funds.

You should also reconsider the statement of 1200 "active" citizens because this organization does not have that many active participants--assidui, capite censi, and/or socii.? There are perhaps 10-20% of that 1200 citizens.? We need to become more active in holding demonstrations and events in conjunction with museums, schools, and other Roman-themed organizations in 2761.? Personally, I would like to?read of more concrete plans for?that the candidates have for next year than generalities.? I would like to know what specific improvements?and actions they intent to pursue and whether or not they will give their Oath on following through with those plans.

Vale.?


-----Original Message-----
From: marcushoratius <mhoratius@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:10 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidates for Consul






Salvete Quirites omnes

Gratias magnas Tita Artoriae et Gnaeo Equitio Marino ago. I can think
of no one with whom I would rather serve as my colleague in any
office than Titus Iulius Sabinus.

I find sobering, however, the words of our old acquaintance Venator.
We have now begun Census 2007. Already we can see a moderate growth
took place in the two years that has passed since our last census.
There are now over 1200 active Citizens, and increase of more than
300. Yet the number of assidui is flat. Activity in some provinciae
has fallen off. It has become increasingly more difficult to find
candidates to fill all the offices necessary to have Nova Roma
continue to function. And activity on some of our lists, and in our
sodalitates has fallen off as well.

The year ahead poses many challenges. We shall need to regroup and
reorganize, to prepare for a brighter future in years to come. The
Consules can offer their leadership. They can provide their example
at diligence, self-sacrifice, and determination. But they cannot do
the job alone.

We need all Citizens to make a commitment to building a future for
Nova Roma. Yes, we need more qualitified people to step forward to
fill vacant offices. Yes, we need more of our Citizens to commit to
Nova Roma by paying their taxes and becoming assidui. But more than
that we need our Citizens coming together, sharing their knowledge on
the lists, entering the sodalitates and working to create more of the
Nova Roma culture. We need them contributing to the NRwiki pages to
provide more information to our fellow Citizens and to the world. We
need them meeting one another, face to face, sharing ideas and
building local communities for themselves, for their provincia, and
for a greater Nova Roma. Building a community first, one for everyone
to share in and enjoy, is what will sustain Nova Roma's growth and
resolve whatever problems we may face.

Di Deaeque vos bene ament
M Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve Tita Artoria, et salvete omnes,
>
> Ice Hunter <icehunter@...> writes:
> > Try as I might, I cannot think of two better cives to be consul
next
> > year than the two candidates who have put themselves forward.
> > Piscinus and Sabinus are both exceptional cives who have proven
> > their devotion to NR more times than can be readily counted.
The
> > very thought of a year under their guidance gladdens my heart.
>
> My own feeling exactly. I will not be posting my endorsements for
any
> offices until shortly before the election, but I must agree with
> Artoria that we are fortunate indeed to have these two superb
> candidates for consul.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51929 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
M Moravius Piscinus Fl. Galerio Aureliano SPD:

While recruiting from those esteemed members of the Senate and former
magistrates who I wish to serve as my accensi, I have discussed these
very issues with them. I am not going to offer any promises or
finalized plans before discussing the issues more with the entire
Senate. I can tell you the direction that I am leaning towards at
this early stage of discussions.

Consul Galerius established a temporary Senate Audit Committee after
I had made this suggestion in last year's consular campaigns. He had
difficulty, through no fault of his own, in receiving information
needed by the committee to review. He then set up a second committee
to act as his budget committee, but we have not heard back from it
yet. The Senate Audit Committee has not received further information
as the year progressed. I am going to propose to the Senate to
establish a standing Senate Committee of the Budget. This will
become a permanent committee. The Consules may nominate their choice
of Senators to serve on it, but I would have such appointments be at
the approval of the entire Senate. Consul Galerius purchased an
online Quickbooks accounting program, and wisely limited access to
the program to only a certain few. I will propose that the Senate
reimburse his expense and that we keep a limit on those with access
to this program to only members of the Senate. So the first
initiative is to build upon and combine some of what Consul Galerius
initiated this year.

I will propose that the Senate create two offices of Financial
Offices. These offices should be renewable. I would like to see
them set for a three year term in order to offer us some stability in
handling our finances, but no less than two year terms. We can make
these terms of office alternate so that they will overlap in a manner
that we now have our Censores serve. Again I think that the
appointments should be on the recommendation of the Consules, with
the approval of the Senate, and that candidates for these Financial
Officers come from the Senate itself. It is the Senate that serves
as the Board of Trustees and it is the Senate that must have control
over Nova Roma, Inc.'s finances.

The Consules do serve as the corporation's executive officers. They
are thus excluded by law from serving as corporate financial
officers. You can combine the offices of corporate treasurer and
corporate secretary, but a check is made on anyone having both
executive and financial authority. As the Board of Trustees for the
corporation, the Senate has oversight responsibilites of corporate
finances, and as the executive leaders of the Senate the Consules
must therefore have a means to oversee the budget, the auditing of
accounts, and oversee the activity of our Financial Officers in their
collection and disbursement of corporate funds. So the arrangements
I wish to establish would place greater direct control over finances
with Senatores, thereby taking advantage of the Senate's ability for
long range planning, while affording the Consules their roles of
chairing the Committee of the Budget. This committee I would have
composed of the Consules along with the Financial Officers and the
select Senatores who will maintain our internal auditing.

I would suggest that we also employ an accountant, and not limit this
to a Senator, or even among our Citizens. I would like us instead
to have available an independent review of our financial records
annually, or at the very least once every five years. I think that
we need to look ahead to maintaining Nova Roma, Inc.'s not-for-profit
status, looking to receive grant money from other sources and move
more towards soliciting donations from outside Nova Roma. This is a
matter for the Senate to decide, but I think that having an
independent review of our finances from time to time will help Nova
Roma establish itself in the long run as a trustworthy organization
to both our own members and to others.

With oversight in place and our Financial Officers selected we can
then establish new bank accounts. Currently all Nova Roma, Inc.
funds goes into a single bank account, and there are also two CD
accounts. The first thing that needs to be done is to separate out
funds intended for the MM Project from Nova Roma's general fund. We
are soliciting donations directly to the MM Project from people who
are not members of Nova Roma, and therefore it is certainly poor
accounting, and may even be illegal, to place these funds into the
same account for our general fund. We can also look to open other
account for specific purposes, but again this is a matter to take up
with the Senate as a whole later next year. The accounts will
necessarily have to be at a bank or bankss where we shall be able to
do our banking online from anywhere in the world. That should not be
a problem; any US military personnel is required to do the same and
so we will have banks available to do likewise for our Financial
Officers. Currently our accounts are maintained by Patricia Cassia.
She asked the Senate quite some time ago to be relieved of her
responsibilites as CFO. So when we have the accounts set up we can
then have Patricia transfer the funds and mail the CD's to our new
Financial Officers.

As for budgetary issues, I will have to await the report of the
Consules and their budget for AUC 2761. As I was on this year's
Senate Audit Committee, we have discovered that Nova Roma, Inc. has
more funds than previously reported in any earlier budget given to
the Senate. I do not know what Consules Galerius and Faustus intend
to propose, but I am not going to agree as a Senator or, should I be
elected, as a Consul to squandering our meagre funds over several
projects. I think that first the Senate should review all funding
that they previously voted on without full knowledge of our actual
financial situation. For example, some years ago the Senate approved
of a Land Fund. There is money allocated to this fund that is never
used because it is too little to do anything with. Yet at the same
time Nova Roma, Inc. owns a piece of property in Texas. Anyone can
tell just how worthless this piece of propoerty actually is by the
fact that it is valued at only USD $200. Well, maybe not entirely
worthless to everyone. You can ask the Censores just how many
applications they receive from people in Africa hoping to be
relocated there and asking whether we can find them work in Nova
Roma. And Appius Claudius last year had his own designs for our land
in Texas. From the general fund we pay property tax on this land,
over 8%, twice a year, for about USD $37 per year. At least that is
how it appeared in what was reported to the Audit Committee, but
these tax payments have not always been accounted for in the budget
reports. You can do the math on how long it will take for our
property tax payments to exceed the actual value of the property. Is
it really worth Nova Roma, Inc. to keep this liability? Is it really
worth our keeping USD $500 tied up in a Land Fund that can only be
used to buy more worthless land at the cost of back taxes? Every
fund should be reviewed on a basis of what it may or may not provide
to Nova Roma's future.

Then OTOH we do have enough money, now that it has been revealed, to
begin to fund one project. It is my suggestion that we place USD
$10,000 into a CD. That the interest from this CD be earmarked
solely for the Scholarship Fund. That whatever interest earned be
put up as seed money to which we solicit contributions to double the
amount. The USD $10,000 itself should not be touched, but reinvested
instead into another CD, so that the Scholarship Fund itself can be
maintained. Then we can work towards building another USD $10,000 to
fund the Scholarship Fund more, or to fund some other project. Maybe
the Senate and our Citizens would prefer us to move in a different
direction first rather than with the Scholarship Fund. However at
this time I think we really have only enough money to focus on one
essential project that will help better define Nova Roma. The
Scholarship Fund IMHO is our best opportunity to solicit funds and
grants from outside Nova Roma, and if Nova Roma is ever to become
financially stable I believe that we will have to move in such a
direction and make our financial base less dependent on our own
Citizens.

Now to another point you made, I have spoken with some provincial
governors. I am aware of the problem that all provinciae have in not
having enough funds to host regular events. And yet to do so is
vital to Nova Roma's future growth. Nova Roma has some funds at the
moment because taxes that it has collected at the central level for
the past five years have been sparingly spent. But we receive very
little in taxes each year, and we would quickly use up any surplus we
have at the moment if we distributed it out to the provinciae. There
simply is not enough to go around and we have to first look at
covering our usual expenses. When this year's census is concluded I
will compare the results to those we had in 2005. I will discuss
proposals first with my colleague and our advisors, and then with the
Senate on reorganzing some provinciae and possibly creating new
provinciae. While doing so, consideration will also be given to
having provinciae, on a regional basis, pool their share of tax
revenues to help one another. For example, with the Conventus held
in Europe, currently the host provincia has to begin saving years in
advance in order to afford the expense. We could instead set up a
fund for the provinciae in Europe to voluntarily contribute a portion
of what they receice each year (i.e a portion of the half due to a
provincia from the tax revenues collected in that provincia).
Requests could then be made to the Senate to support such a fund,
either by direct payments or by rebates from tax revenues it received
from the respective provinciae; i.e. instead of owing half its
collected tax revenue to the central organization, the Senate can be
asked to reduce that amount by as much as 20%, so that the provincia
would retain 60% of any tax revenue it collected rather than only
50%. It looks at the moment as though we can propose new provinciae
be formed in Central and South America. Thus it may be possible to
form three such common funds, one each for Europe, North America, and
then one for Mexico, Centroamerica, and the provinciae of South
America. The provinciae involved in such collective funds would then
have to agree on disbursements, and any disagreement would be
submitted to the Consules to resolve. But no matter what
arrangements we might propose, its ability to generate the kind of
funds needed by the provinciae will remain dependent on the governors
increasing membership in their respective provinciae and always
seeking to increase the number of assidui in their provinciae.

As I said in my earlier post, Nova Roma needs to regroup, reorganize,
and involve all of its membership in revitalizing Nova Roma.

Tempus est etiam maiora conari.

"The time has come to attempt greater things." ~ Livy 6.18.13
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51930 From: qvalerius Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Q. Valerius Poplicola Galerio Moravioque et Quiritibus omnibus SPD:

I hope I do not intrude where I do not belong, for though I am a new
assidui, and I have yet to take the test (one more month, you see),
but I have for a couple of years now kept my eyes on Nova Roma and its
working, ever more closely since some of the more controversial
dealings came to my attention three years ago upon my joining the
factio SVR.

After a series of reformation proposals, I joined here as well (a rare
occurrence, I might add, since we've seen a number of defectors from
here go there, but I can't recall a single person from there joining
here, though perhaps they're but silent). I pressed there and I press
here, like Galerius, the need for more "real life" interactions.

This is directly correlated with the community building that Moravius
proposed. About a year ago, many years after falling in love with
Rome, I truly fell in love with her. I wanted Rome so badly. I decided
that I needed more than an online community of Roman amatores - I
wanted Rome herself. I proposed a series of reforms at SVR, one of
them highlighting the changes that will enable more real interactions.
Rome cannot exist online. It cannot even exist alone in the Texan sands.

Thus, I came to "Nova Roma" hoping that Rome will be actualized. I was
sorely disappointed upon my first joining. I immediately got in touch
with my provincial governor, as Galerius can attest. I have joined
every list which interests me (most of them). I have kept up with the
elections (though I will be ineligible to vote). I will very soon be
directly active and participant in Nova Roman politics.

However, I am disappointed still.

Fellow Romani, do not be put off by my words - I am not here to decry
Rome. I have loved Rome dearly, and I wish nothing more for a Roma
renovata. I am merely speaking those things which I've seen over the
years, especially in the recent times. I have seen defectors go to
various refuges, claiming that they are tired of Nova Roma and the
little she has to offer, as Galerius, a senior to me, has pointed out.
Take from me as a new person the experiences for understanding what
other new potential cives may see in Nova Roma.

For those who truly love Rome, and I know all of you do, do not wish
to be like those who brought about her destruction, ignoring necessary
reforms and despising her people. After all, it is the Senatus
Populusque Romanus. Nor ought we be too radical. Saturninus hated
Rome, because he hated the Senate. Perhaps he did not intend to do so;
perhaps he was driven to it by the love of the Populus - I will not
pretend to know his mind. But it was Gaius Marius himself who crushed
Saturninus.

But for those who truly love Rome, let us come together and quit
wishing for better days while we actually make them better. Moravius
and Galerius both make an excellent point - the magistratus have an
obligation to better Nova Roma, and the cives have an obligation to
keep it that way.

What then, Romani, will help facilitate this? As I've stated already,
there is a dearth of resources online for Nova Roma. An e-list alone
is hardly comparable to some sites which help facilitate a more
intimate correspondence. I've looked on Facebook and saw no group
officially sanctioned by Nova Roma. We are missing out on golden
opportunities to grow! Where is the forum? It takes a civis many hours
to find basic procedural and legal answers. I've read Jolowicz's Roman
Law backwards and forewards and know Roman legal procedure, something
which has been dead for more than 2000 years, better than I do Nova
Roman legal procedure, precisely because there's no good organization
on its website. Instead, it provides a wiki. A wiki. This is something
that needs to be changed - while a wiki is excellent, do not
misunderstand me, we need more. We need an outline for newcomers to
the laws, at least the basic ones. We need a face to this legally
incorporated entity from Maine.

We need corporeal contact as well. I was filled with gaudium when I
saw an official legio. In my own regio, there very recently was a
religious celebration along with the military re-enactment. The state
of things isn't decrepit, but I hope and dream for more.

It is my opinion then, thus concluding, that in the new year, we will
consider these things. With so much to renovate, how do we have time
to renovate Rome when we need to renovate our ways of renovating Rome?
Let us do this first, let us have a face, let us be transparent, let
us sponsor more real world activities. Let the quaestores manage our
taxes reasonably so that we may thrive. Let us build real communities,
and our online world merely be an extension of that.

I look forward to any of those who wish to maintain real contact with
me. Email me for my address. I love writing epistulae.

e romae amore,

Valete.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus M. Horatio Piscino sal.
>
> Will the candidates for consul, praetor, and quaestor do anything
about the long standing problem with Nova Roma's finances?? When will
our elected corporate officers actually be in charge of the tax monies
that the assidui pay instead of leaving it in the hands of a financial
officer who was not chosen by the People??When will Nova Roma's funds
be transferred to a national bank that would facilitate the transfer
of control each year to the duly elected corporate officers?? When
will the Senate adopt a standard request form so that gubenatores can
request funds for projects and events from the assidui funds paid in
by their provincial citizens??
>
> If the candidates for consul (co-president), praetor (co-vice
president), and quaestor (treasurers) do nothing more than that in
2761, it will be a powerful improvement over the structure that has
existed for the last five or more years.
>
> As a provincial gubernator, it has been difficult for me to
encourage my citizens to become taxpayers when there is no apparent
benefit.? The principal reason I collected taxes this year was to
insure that our province would have funds on hand for projects and
events instead of depending on a central administration that is
financially powerless.? Because of this, our province has been able to
contribute to one religious celebration and one public demonstration
without having to pay it completely out of someone's personal funds.
>
> You should also reconsider the statement of 1200 "active" citizens
because this organization does not have that many active
participants--assidui, capite censi, and/or socii.? There are perhaps
10-20% of that 1200 citizens.? We need to become more active in
holding demonstrations and events in conjunction with museums,
schools, and other Roman-themed organizations in 2761.? Personally, I
would like to?read of more concrete plans for?that the candidates have
for next year than generalities.? I would like to know what specific
improvements?and actions they intent to pursue and whether or not they
will give their Oath on following through with those plans.
>
> Vale.?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcushoratius <mhoratius@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:10 pm
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidates for Consul
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salvete Quirites omnes
>
> Gratias magnas Tita Artoriae et Gnaeo Equitio Marino ago. I can think
> of no one with whom I would rather serve as my colleague in any
> office than Titus Iulius Sabinus.
>
> I find sobering, however, the words of our old acquaintance Venator.
> We have now begun Census 2007. Already we can see a moderate growth
> took place in the two years that has passed since our last census.
> There are now over 1200 active Citizens, and increase of more than
> 300. Yet the number of assidui is flat. Activity in some provinciae
> has fallen off. It has become increasingly more difficult to find
> candidates to fill all the offices necessary to have Nova Roma
> continue to function. And activity on some of our lists, and in our
> sodalitates has fallen off as well.
>
> The year ahead poses many challenges. We shall need to regroup and
> reorganize, to prepare for a brighter future in years to come. The
> Consules can offer their leadership. They can provide their example
> at diligence, self-sacrifice, and determination. But they cannot do
> the job alone.
>
> We need all Citizens to make a commitment to building a future for
> Nova Roma. Yes, we need more qualitified people to step forward to
> fill vacant offices. Yes, we need more of our Citizens to commit to
> Nova Roma by paying their taxes and becoming assidui. But more than
> that we need our Citizens coming together, sharing their knowledge on
> the lists, entering the sodalitates and working to create more of the
> Nova Roma culture. We need them contributing to the NRwiki pages to
> provide more information to our fellow Citizens and to the world. We
> need them meeting one another, face to face, sharing ideas and
> building local communities for themselves, for their provincia, and
> for a greater Nova Roma. Building a community first, one for everyone
> to share in and enjoy, is what will sustain Nova Roma's growth and
> resolve whatever problems we may face.
>
> Di Deaeque vos bene ament
> M Moravius Piscinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51931 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
SALVE ET SALVETE!

When it comes about finances I know that the process started from
this year. The Senate Audit Committee is in charge with that and in
the same manner as Marcus Horatius already pointed out I agree that
we need some changes and together we will work to these. Until now I
agree that the Senate must have control over NR finances and we need
long term offices for that.
Marcus Horatius talked about two bank accounts. I want to bring back
in the Senate attention the existence possibility of a third one, in
Europe, an idea which started to years ago and wasn't finalized yet.

I want to pay attention to provinces. As governor I know which our
problems are. We need solutions. These are mine:

I will create the necessaries conditions for local communities'
development.
Here I will take in consideration that NR members number are not the
same with what it had some years ago. We need to start with what we
have in this moment and if and where is necessary to change our
legislation. I will give you an example:
Lex Fabia de opidiis and municipiis said: "according to their size,
there shall be two kinds of local groups: an oppidum shall be a
local group of at least five members and a municipium shall be a
local group of at least thirty-five members".
I agree with at least five members for an oppidum but in this moment
it's difficult to create a municipium. I think that a municipium can
have at least 15 members.
We need local communities. Local communities represent the first
step for people good collaboration. The second step is the
collaboration between these local communities. When that will be
done a province will proper work.

I will sustain the provinces representatives to deal with
provisional citizens and new citizens.
Here we need tools as the governors to have information about
provisional citizens and new citizens. When I say information I have
in my mind only their e-mail address. It's enough to get in contact
with them and to explain, to direct or to counsel them with what is
necessary, when is necessary or if is necessary.

I will create documents to help provinces in recruiting new citizens.
I know we have a flyer for NR presentation, created some years ago.
It must be update and then translated with decuria interpretes help
in all the languages we need but is not necessary as this flyer to
be printed. I consider that an inutile expense. It can be
transmitted through e-mail to those interested. I agree that with
exceptional occasions as Conventus are or important international or
national meetings, festivals, where our citizens can be in touch
with people who are not NR members, the state can sustain the
expenses for these flyers.

I will study and I will sustain the idea as each province to
organize once per year a major meeting. A provincial conventus if I
can say so. Finally that depend of each province members abilities
to do that. I will sustain in front of Senate the best provincial
project and if it is a valuable one, the Senate can decide the way
in which it can be supported.

I will pay more attention to annual Conventus and if is possible to
have more, in different areas of the world, but not more than two
per year.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus M. Horatio Piscino sal.
>
> Will the candidates for consul, praetor, and quaestor do anything
about the long standing problem with Nova Roma's finances?? When
will our elected corporate officers actually be in charge of the tax
monies that the assidui pay instead of leaving it in the hands of a
financial officer who was not chosen by the People??When will Nova
Roma's funds be transferred to a national bank that would facilitate
the transfer of control each year to the duly elected corporate
officers?? When will the Senate adopt a standard request form so
that gubenatores can request funds for projects and events from the
assidui funds paid in by their provincial citizens??
>
> If the candidates for consul (co-president), praetor (co-vice
president), and quaestor (treasurers) do nothing more than that in
2761, it will be a powerful improvement over the structure that has
existed for the last five or more years.
>
> As a provincial gubernator, it has been difficult for me to
encourage my citizens to become taxpayers when there is no apparent
benefit.? The principal reason I collected taxes this year was to
insure that our province would have funds on hand for projects and
events instead of depending on a central administration that is
financially powerless.? Because of this, our province has been able
to contribute to one religious celebration and one public
demonstration without having to pay it completely out of someone's
personal funds.
>
> You should also reconsider the statement of 1200 "active" citizens
because this organization does not have that many active
participants--assidui, capite censi, and/or socii.? There are
perhaps 10-20% of that 1200 citizens.? We need to become more active
in holding demonstrations and events in conjunction with museums,
schools, and other Roman-themed organizations in 2761.? Personally,
I would like to?read of more concrete plans for?that the candidates
have for next year than generalities.? I would like to know what
specific improvements?and actions they intent to pursue and whether
or not they will give their Oath on following through with those
plans.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51932 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Salve Senator M Moravius Piscinus!

>M Moravius Piscinus Fl. Galerio Aureliano SPD:

...................

>As I said in my earlier post, Nova Roma needs to regroup, reorganize,
>and involve all of its membership in revitalizing Nova Roma.

I fully agree and at last we see a candidate for the Consulship with
his mind set to strengthen Nova Roma and with a realistic program
that really make me want to see it continued into the future. Nova
Roma may become a notable organization, especially if we follow the
example of our ancestors.

I will happily support such a program.

>Tempus est etiam maiora conari.
>
>"The time has come to attempt greater things." ~ Livy 6.18.13

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senator, Censorius et Consularis
Accensus LAF, Scribae Censoris GFBM
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51933 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: Candidacy for the office of Aedilis curulis
P. Memmius Albucius Consuli Galerio et omnibus s.d.


Please register, Consul, my candidacy to the office of Aedilis curulis
Novae Romae for next year, 2761 a.u.c..
Currently Aed. Cytheris 's aedilician quaestor, I have decided, instead
of running for higher magistracies, to follow our Mos maiorum.
I thus request our citizens to elect me to the next step of my cursus
honorum, this of Aedilis curulis.
Former Tribunus plebis and currently your accensus, Consul, as Pr.
Tullia's scribe, I am also Legatus pro praetore Galliae and member of
Magna mater project and Vox Romana's team.

Tibi gratias, Consul, et omnes.



P. Memmius Albucius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51934 From: robbjaxon Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: The Cohortes Urbanae
Salvete Omnes,

As a part of my studies in Academia Thules, I am tasked to bring up a subject related to
Rome that interests me, on the main list.

In my "work-in-progress" persona's history, I have been researching the cohortes urbanae.
Unfortunately, there isn't that much written about them, other than their basic origin.

I understand that when Augustus instituted the office of city prefect (praefectus urbi), he also
established 3 cohorts (the cohortes urbanae) to constitute a sort of police force for the city of
Rome. These cohorts were stationed in the camp of the praetorians in Rome, though they
served under the command of the city prefect, a man of senatorial rank. Outstanding service
in the urban cohorts could lead to promotion into the more prestigious praetorian guard.

I have yet to see any mention of these three cohorts, any identifiers, or history.

Any information or leads would be appreciated.

Gratias Ago Tibi

Optime Valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51935 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-29
Subject: a. d. III Kalendas Novembris
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Dea vos porrigat opitula

Hodie est ante diem III Kalendas Novembris; haec dies comitialis est:
Isia inventio Osiris.


AUC 244 / 509 BCE Porsenna and Cloelia

"Envoys from Porsena followed him to Rome. The king's narrow escape
from the first of many attempts; which was owing solely to the
mistake of his assailant, and the prospect of having to meet as many
attacks as there were conspirators, so unnerved him that he made
proposals of peace to Rome. One for the restoration of the Tarquins
was put forward, more because he could not well refuse their request
than because he had any hope of its being granted. The demand for the
restitution of their territory to the Veientines, and that for the
surrender of hostages as a condition of the withdrawal of the
detachment from the Janiculum, were felt by the Romans to be
inevitable, and on their being accepted and peace concluded, Porsena
moved his troops from the Janiculum and evacuated the Roman
territory. As a recognition of his courage the senate gave C. Mucius
a piece of land across the river, which was afterwards known as the
Mucian Meadows. The honour thus paid to courage incited even women to
do glorious things for the State. The Etruscan camp was situated not
far from the river, and the maiden Cloelia, one of the hostages,
escaped, unobserved, through the guards and at the head of her sister
hostages swam across the river amidst a shower of javelins and
restored them all safe to their relatives. When the news of this
incident reached him, the king was at first exceedingly angry and
sent to demand the surrender of Cloelia; the others he did not care
about. Afterwards his feelings changed to admiration; he said that
the exploit surpassed those of Cocles and Mucius, and announced that
whilst on the one hand he should consider the treaty broken if she
were not surrendered, he would on the other hand, if she were
surrendered, send her back to her people unhurt. Both sides behaved
honourably; the Romans surrendered her as a pledge of loyalty to the
terms of the treaty; the Etruscan king showed that with him courage
was not only safe but honoured, and after eulogising the girl's
conduct, told her that he would make her a present of half the
remaining hostages, she was to choose whom she would. It is said that
after all had been brought before her, she chose the boys of tender
age; a choice in keeping with maidenly modesty, and one approved by
the hostages themselves, since they felt that the age which was most
liable to ill-treatment should have the preference in being rescued
from hostile hands. After peace was thus re-established, the Romans
rewarded the unprecedented courage shown by a woman by an
unprecedented honour, namely an equestrian statue. On the highest
part of the Via Sacra a statue was erected representing the maiden
sitting on horseback." ~ Livy 2.13


The thought of the day comes from Musonius Rufus on education for
women.

"When he was asked whether women ought to study philosophy, he began
to answer the question approximately as follows. Women have received
from the Gods the same ability to reason that men have. We men employ
reasoning in our relations with others and so far as possible in
everything we do, whether it is good or bad, or noble or shameful.
Likewise women have the same senses as men, sight, hearing, smell,
and all the rest. Likewise each has the same parts of the body, and
neither sex has more than the other. In addition, it is not men alone
who possess eagerness and a natural inclination towards virtue, but
women also. Women are pleased no less than men by noble and just
deeds, and reject the opposite of such actions. Since that is so, why
is it appropriate for men to seek out and examine how they might live
well, that is, to practise philosophy, but not women? Is it fitting
for men to be good, but not women?"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51937 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: ENDORSING SABINVS
SALVE IULII SEVERE!

Thank you for support. If elected I will try to resolve some of our
problems step by step and in cooperation with elected magistrates.
That's what NR need in this moment, cooperation and common effort.
I'm sure that in the same way, you and Complutensis, will have great
contribution in this field.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Severus
<marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:

> I am really glad to know that Titus Iulius Sabinus is running for
the Consulhip. I can't think of any other Nova Roman citizen better
qualified for such high responsibility.
> Sabinus has my full support.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51938 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Private letter about our beloved Roman organization
SALVETE!

I very sorry for my mistake, I have sent my private letter to this list.
I ask you NOT TO READ, because it's personal and not public.
Please ignore it.

VALETE!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51939 From: Peter Bird Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Private letter about our beloved Roman organization
Salve, Lentule –

Nimis sero venit hoc iussum Â…

Vale bene



From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
Sent: 30 October 2007 05:47
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Private letter about our beloved Roman organization



SALVETE!

I very sorry for my mistake, I have sent my private letter to this list.
I ask you NOT TO READ, because it's personal and not public.
Please ignore it.

VALETE!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51940 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Our Res Publica...
Decimus, Amicus mea;

Each of us was young and inexperienced at one early point in our lives.

DO NOT think yourself unable or unworthy to serve our Republic.

Diribitor ( a counter of electoral votes) is a fine place to start
one's "career" of service.

Please (and I write this to other 'new' Cives) consider starting, in
however small a role you think is wise, in service to the Republic,
Reborn.

Only by all contributing, will the New City be fully reborn.

In amicus sub fidelis
Stephanus Ullerius Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51941 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Candidacy for the office of Aedilis curulis
Cn. Lentulus P. Memmio aedili curuli candidato s. p. d.


>>> I have decided, instead of running for higher magistracies, to follow our Mos maiorum. <<<


Thank you for that, Publi Memmi. I support your candidacy and I myself am thinking about running for the Aedilitas Curulis. I am sure we will much profit from your Aedilitas


CURA UT VALEAS!




Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
R O G A T O R
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Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis Ti. Galerii Paulini
Scriba Aedilis Curulis Iuliae Caesaris Cytheridis Aeges
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
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Decurio I. Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51942 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus M. Moravio Piscino consuli candidato sal.


It's good to read such a deeply thought plan from a Consul Candidate. Thank you for this, Marce Moravi, and I hope you will be successful.


>>> So the first initiative is to build upon and combine some of what Consul Galerius initiated this year. <<<


It's very wise to continue what Consul Ti. Galerius initiated. He could be a very fine Consul if Nova Roman Consuls had more power to work. I hope with your and Sabinus' consulatus a little "reform revolution" will begin in NR. I don't think of nothing extrem: just to organize the organization.


>>> The Consules do serve as the corporation's executive officers. They
are thus excluded by law from serving as corporate financial
officers. <<<


Would it be possible to give free power to the Consuls over a little proportion of the treasury? For example, over 5%? That way NR would have a very quick possibility to move money if in urgent and special cases it's needed.


>>> For example, some years ago the Senate approved
of a Land Fund. ....
Is it really worth Nova Roma, Inc. to keep this liability? Is it really
worth our keeping USD $500 tied up in a Land Fund that can only be
used to buy more worthless land at the cost of back taxes? <<<


Certainly, not. But perhaps would be better as a symbol to have a little land in Italy, around Rome. I have heard of the "Temple for the gods" project: this property near Rome could be very well connected with this project. I think it's important to have a sybolic land which can be considered that our State territory. But it's meaningful only if it's in Rome, or around Rome.


>>> I will discuss proposals first with my colleague and our advisors, and then with the Senate on reorganzing some provinciae and possibly creating new
provinciae. <<<


Reforms about the provincial structure is essential, but by all means I ask you not to create new provinciae, prefer rather to reduce their number! The USA shuold be one provincia, for example: but divided into several REGIONS and LOCAL GROUPS. A provincia is not the level of the citizens regular activity, but the supervions and control tool of the central government.

Create more Regions and local groups, but n NR provincia shuold be no smaller than a macro State or Confederation.



>>> Tempus est etiam maiora conari. <<<


Et facere et pati fortia Romanum est.


CURA UZ VALEAS!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51943 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Candidacy for the office of Aedilis curulis
Memmius Cornelio s.d.

Thank you for your kind support !

Not forgetting naturally other possible future candidacies for this
office, I would have a great honor and pleasure working with a
skilled and dedicated civis as you are.

Looking for your decision, vale !


P. Memmius Albucius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Lentulus P. Memmio aedili curuli candidato s. p. d.
>
>
> >>> I have decided, instead of running for higher magistracies, to
follow our Mos maiorum. <<<
>
>
> Thank you for that, Publi Memmi. I support your candidacy and I
myself am thinking about running for the Aedilitas Curulis. I am sure
we will much profit from your Aedilitas
>
>
> CURA UT VALEAS!
>
>
>
>
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
> R O G A T O R
> -------------------------------
> Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
> Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
> Accensus Consulis Ti. Galerii Paulini
> Scriba Aedilis Curulis Iuliae Caesaris Cytheridis Aeges
> Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
> -------------------------------
> Decurio I. Sodalitatis Latinitatis
> Dominus Factionis Russatae
> Latinista, Classicus Philologus
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ---------------------------------
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Mail
>
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>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51944 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Private letter about our beloved Roman organization
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Cornelio Lentulo salutem dicit

Sorry. Too late, already read it. Interesting thoughts.

Vale:

Modianus

On 10/30/07, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> SALVETE!
>
> I very sorry for my mistake, I have sent my private letter to this list.
> I ask you NOT TO READ, because it's personal and not public.
> Please ignore it.
>
> VALETE!
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51945 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: The Cohortes Urbanae
These two books contain some information on the organization,
composition, leadership, and equipment of the Urban Cohorts. There
is also a novel entitled A Flame in Rome (I believe) that has
information on the urban cohorts.

The Praetorian Guard (Elite) (Paperback) by Boris Rankov, Richard
Hook Paperback: 64 pages. Publisher: Osprey Publishing (January 27,
1994) Language: English. ISBN-10: 1855323613. ISBN-13: 978-
1855323612

The Roman Army, 31 BC-AD 337: A Sourcebook (Paperback) by Brian
Campbell. ISBN-10: 0415071739. ISBN-13: 978-0415071734

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "robbjaxon" <robbjaxon@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> As a part of my studies in Academia Thules, I am tasked to bring
up a subject related to
> Rome that interests me, on the main list.
>
> In my "work-in-progress" persona's history, I have been
researching the cohortes urbanae.
> Unfortunately, there isn't that much written about them, other
than their basic origin.
>
> I understand that when Augustus instituted the office of city
prefect (praefectus urbi), he also
> established 3 cohorts (the cohortes urbanae) to constitute a sort
of police force for the city of
> Rome. These cohorts were stationed in the camp of the praetorians
in Rome, though they
> served under the command of the city prefect, a man of senatorial
rank. Outstanding service
> in the urban cohorts could lead to promotion into the more
prestigious praetorian guard.
>
> I have yet to see any mention of these three cohorts, any
identifiers, or history.
>
> Any information or leads would be appreciated.
>
> Gratias Ago Tibi
>
> Optime Valete
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51946 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus M. Moravio Piscino sal.

Technically, any NR provincial governor can collect the annual taxes from his citizens and retain half of the monies in a provincial treasury UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS SET BY EXISTING NR LEGES.? However, most NR governors have never gone to the trouble to do so nor have they requested a list of the assidui within their province from the Censores.? This list would provide a basis for provincial governors to know how much money they could request from the central administration for projects and events; based on their annual budgets.?

The central administration and Senate of Nova Roma has never established a standard procedure for provincial governors to request monies for provincial projects and events.? This is something that needs to be brought up during the reorganization of NR by the next set of magistrates.? There has been at least one occasion (according to the Gubenatores yahoogroup) where a provinicial governor successfully petitioned to receive money from the central administration.? This could be used as a template.

My province has used its treasury funds to contribute toward food purchased for a fasti (the Neptunalia) and to buy materials used for a public demonstration (Legio V Alaudae Roman Festivus).?? The importance of provincial governors making more efforts to become self sufficient and also contribute to the growth of Nova Roma cannot be understated.

I will not likely be running for a magistracy in this election because we have a number of candidates stepping up for the plebeian offices.? However, I will be submitting my report as a provinicial gubernator and asking that the Senate prorogue me in office.

Vale.

"Now to another point you made, I have spoken with some provincial
governors. I am aware of the problem that all provinciae have in not
having enough funds to host regular events. And yet to do so is
vital to Nova Roma's future growth. Nova Roma has some funds at the
moment because taxes that it has collected at the central level for
the past five years have been sparingly spent. But we receive very
little in taxes each year, and we would quickly use up any surplus we
have at the moment if we distributed it out to the provinciae. There
simply is not enough to go around and we have to first look at
covering our usual expenses. When this year's census is concluded I
will compare the results to those we had in 2005. I will discuss
proposals first with my colleague and our advisors, and then with the
Senate on reorganzing some provinciae and possibly creating new
provinciae. While doing so, consideration will also be given to
having provinciae, on a regional basis, pool their share of tax
revenues to help one another. For example, with the Conventus held
in Europe, currently the host provincia has to begin saving years in
advance in order to afford the expense. We could instead set up a
fund for the provinciae in Europe to voluntarily contribute a portion
of what they receice each year (i.e a portion of the half due to a
provincia from the tax revenues collected in that provincia).
Requests could then be made to the Senate to support such a fund,
either by direct payments or by rebates from tax revenues it received
from the respective provinciae; i.e. instead of owing half its
collected tax revenue to the central organization, the Senate can be
asked to reduce that amount by as much as 20%, so that the provincia
would retain 60% of any tax revenue it collected rather than only
50%. It looks at the moment as though we can propose new provinciae
be formed in Central and South America. Thus it may be possible to
form three such common funds, one each for Europe, North America, and
then one for Mexico, Centroamerica, and the provinciae of South
America. The provinciae involved in such collective funds would then
have to agree on disbursements, and any disagreement would be
submitted to the Consules to resolve. But no matter what
arrangements we might propose, its ability to generate the kind of
funds needed by the provinciae will remain dependent on the governors
increasing membership in their respective provinciae and always
seeking to increase the number of assidui in their provinciae."




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51947 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Provincial Conventus in Birmingham, AL on January 19-20, 2008
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Gub. Am. Austrorientalis S.P.D.

This is the first post to discuss a provincial conventus to be held
on Sat., January 19, and Sun., January 20, 2008 in Birmingham,
Alabama.

The Birmingham Museum of Art is hosting the exhibit "Pompeii: Tales
from an Eruption" until January 27. This exhibit features 500 items
from Pompeii, Oplontis, and Herculaneum. The price for this exhibit
is $16.00 USD but if we can get a group of more than ten people, the
price drops to $14 USD per person.

Birmingham, AL is also the home of the magnificent statue of Vulcan
that was first featured at the 1904 World's Fair. This statue
underwent extensive restoration in 1999 to restore it to its
original appearance. The conventus would include a trip to Vulcan
Park to visit the statue and its museum as well as use the
overlook. One aspect of the conventus to be discussed is whether to
visit the park late in the afternoon so as to watch the sunset over
B'ham from the overlook. There is a $1.00 USD discount for groups
of over 10 persons.

Saturday evening would conclude with a late dinner at a local
Italian restaurant to warm up after the day's events and get to know
fellow Nova Romans & members of other Romans from legio formations.

Sunday would include a brunch where a provincial meeting could be
held to discuss plans for other provincial events to be held during
2008 (2761 AUC) as well as events in other provinces or other Roman
groups.

If you are interested in attending this event and helping to plan
it, please join the Austrorientalis list at yahoogroups.com. I
would like to extend this invitation to the members of the legio
formations within the borders of the NR province--Legio XI Claudia
Pia Fidelis, Legio V Alaudae, Legio VI Ferrata, Ft. Lafe, and any
other military or civilian formations--as well as Romans in
neighboring provinces.

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51948 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Candidacy for Quaestor - L. Vitellius Triarius
Salve et Salvete Novaromani!

Fellow citizens. I am Lucius of the Vitellii, called Triarius, and I
stand before you in the toga candida to address you and present my
candidacy for the office of Quaestor for the year, MMDCCLXI A•V•C
(2008 CE).

I am 41 years old, married to the most wonderful woman in the world
(Lisa), we have three children (James-7, William-4, Catie-2), and we
live in the Foothills of the Great Smoky Mountains in Eastern
Tennessee, USA, or the Tennessee Regio of Provincia America
Austrorientalis. I have spent many years working in law enforcement
and the legal system—19 years, in fact. I also served in the Army
National Guard for 17 years, working in the Cavalry and Intelligence
branches of the Army.

I have had a lifelong interest in Ancient Rome, its accomplishments
and failures, and how they have shaped the world that we live in
today. I am convinced that the foundations and decisions the ancient
Romans laid and made for us will continue to provide age-old answers
to the new-age problems we will encounter in the future.

I joined Nova Roma on January 25, 2005, and became an Assiduus
member of Gens Vitellia. I currently have Assiduus status and am of
the Plebeian order. I have served in several different positions:

1) I have served for two and a half years as the Preafectus Regio of
the Tennessee Regio of my home provincia, America Austrorientalis
(Southeast USA).

2) I am currently appointed as a member of the central planning team
of the Go Roman Project, where I have worked many long hours helping
design and develop the foundation guidelines, policies and
marketing/promotional materials for the international outreach
program.

3) I served as provincial webmaster until the transformation of the
old Nova Roma website to the new wiki, and now currently assist with
updates and site management of the Provincia America Austrorientalis
section of the wiki.

4) I am currently working on establishing Go Roman! Egressus Clubs
at universities within in my home provincia.

5) I have assisted in promoting dialogues with other Roman
Reenacting organizations, which will hopefully lead to the
recruitment of many new cives to our Res Pvblica in the years to
come.

6) I formed and moderate three Nova Roma newsgroups: Volaesia,
Factio Veneta Stables and the Forum Boarium

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/volaesia/ - A local list for East
Tennessee, USA
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta/ - The official list of
the Blues
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/forumborium/ - The unofficial Plebeian
list

7) I am the currently elected Dominus factionis for Factio Veneta,
the Blues, one of Nova Roma's virtual chariot teams.

http://novaroma.org/nr/Factio_Veneta

While I am relatively new to Nova Roma, I have studied and watched,
learned and listened, and I have a relatively good working knowledge
of Nova Roma. In the three years I have been a civis, I have formed
and forged some very good friendships to guide me down the correct
path as one of your Quaestors. I believe in openness, speaking the
truth, bringing problems out in the open, and not skirting the
issues.

I pledge to act in fairness in all of my duties and to respond to
citizen requests promptly and efficiently.

I believe that the future of Nova Roma lies in the hands of its
citizenry on the local level. I am a member of one of the most
active provinces in the Res Pvblica. I personally feel that in
order to further develop our organization, we must meet offline, as
well as online. We must forge friendships with other organizations
of like interests and recruit from them. By showing a positive
image to the public, we can expand our citizenry base and
effectively include many other smaller Roman organizations within
our realm without harming or affecting their existing structure.

I believe that Nova Roma can and will be the model Roman
organization and central meeting place for all Roman interest groups
in the future. Many suggest we make Roma our annual gathering place.
I expand that and say, let's make Nova Roma the Roman enthusiast's
global daily gathering place. We need to begin to work together by
participating in Nova Roman events, both online and offline, as well
as supporting our Magistrates, lobbying our Senators, and assisting
our Pontiffs in elevating our status in the modern Roman world.

As your Quaestor, I will work diligently with other citizens to help
improve our Res Pvblica as we all progress along this journey ahead.

I ask that you support and cast your votes for me, Lucius Vitellius
Triarius, as Quaestor.

I ask Pater Mars and Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, patron deities of my
Gens, to look favorably upon me in my journey and quest, and ask for
their guidance and assistance in helping you, my friends, in making
your choice in electing me as one of your new Quaestors.

"A•POSSE•AD•ESSE" (From Possibility to Actuality)

Respectfully Submitted and in Your Service,
Vale et valete optime,

Lucius Vitellius Triarius
Quaestor Candidatus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51949 From: Sean Post Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Declaration of Candidacy for the office of Diribitor
Salvete Consul and my fellow citizens,

The request for candidates was placed several weeks ago, and I have put much
thought into what I can do to be of service to the Republic.

After much reflection, I have decided to delcare myself as a candidate for
the office of Diribtor.

I am 38 years young, and live in Provincia Mediatlantica. My macro-world job
is as a project manager/technical writer.

I have been a citizen of Nova Roma since March of this year, and have paid
my taxes. I have participated in the games, and have learned much from
reading the daily postings to the main list and reading the website and some
of the books that have been suggested.

I view my candidacy as a valuable first step for myself into a larger world
serving our Republic, and pledge to perform all the duties of the office to
the utmost of my ability.

Valete,

Sex. Postumius Albus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51950 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Election MMDCCLX, 10/31/2007, 12:00 am
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Election MMDCCLX
 
Date:   Wednesday October 31, 2007
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday until Wednesday October 31, 2007.
Location:   http://novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLX_(Nova_Roma)
Notes:   Please announce your candidacy on the Main List and by posting to Consul Paulinus at: spqr753@... . To serve in any of these offices one must have been a citizen for at least six months by Kal. Ian. 2761 (January 1st, 2008) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen.

Candidates will be accepted until pr. Kal. Nov. (October 31st 2760 ) 2359 Roman time.

The voting will commence on the a.d. XVII Kal. Dec.(November 15th), pending favorable auspices.

Candidates and candidate statements are listed at http://novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLX_%28Nova_Roma%29
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51951 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
M Moravius Piscinus Cn Cornelio Lentulo SPD:

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus M. Moravio Piscino consuli candidato sal.
>
>
> It's good to read such a deeply thought plan from a Consul
Candidate. Thank you for this, Marce Moravi, and I hope you will be
successful.
>

Pisc: Gratias magns. Usque conabor.

>
> >>> So the first initiative is to build upon and combine some of
what Consul Galerius initiated this year. <<<
>
>
> It's very wise to continue what Consul Ti. Galerius initiated. He
could be a very fine Consul if Nova Roman Consuls had more power to
work. I hope with your and Sabinus' consulatus a little "reform
revolution" will begin in NR. I don't think of nothing extrem: just
to organize the organization.
>

Pisc: I do not believe that it is so much of a problem with a lack of
power. Some people come into the office and become frustrated
because they expect, as consules, to have a power to order others.
But Nova Roma is a volunteer organization. We depend on volunteers
to lend us their time and hard work. Consules have to be able to
lead, to inspire, to set examples, to mediate disputes, to conjole
people into working together. It is a matter of managing more than a
matter of a lack of power.

Nova Roma has created roles for its various magistrates that are
ahistorical, and, even more so, the relationship between magistrates
is ahistorical. We have not fully integrated our republican
structure to our corporate organization. So it is not the consules
alone whose powers and responsibilities need to be reviewed.

For the present, I think we need to reconsider how we do things. The
real place to start on "organizing the organization" is within the
Senate itself, as they form our Board of Directors. One thing to do
is to shift more responsibility onto individual Senators. We need
our most experienced Citizens directly involved in our affairs. The
members of the Senate need to work together, compromise with one
another when necessary, and build a consensus among all its members
as often as possible. If we can do that, have a Senate body with a
diverse spectrum of opinions yet able to work cooperatively rather
than confrontationally towards one another, then all of our
magistrates will be able to accomplish much.



> >>> The Consules do serve as the corporation's executive officers.
They
> are thus excluded by law from serving as corporate financial
> officers. <<<
>
>
> Would it be possible to give free power to the Consuls over a
little proportion of the treasury? For example, over 5%? That way NR
would have a very quick possibility to move money if in urgent and
special cases it's needed.
>

Pisc: You mean a discretionary fund. It is already possible to
submit something like that in the budget presented to the Senate.
The Quaestores assigned to the Consules would actually hold the funds
and make disbursements, but it could be set up so that the Consules
would decide where the funds would be used and so direct the
Quaestores to make such disbursments.

>
> >>> For example, some years ago the Senate approved
> of a Land Fund. ....
> Is it really worth Nova Roma, Inc. to keep this liability? Is
it really
> worth our keeping USD $500 tied up in a Land Fund that can only be
> used to buy more worthless land at the cost of back taxes? <<<
>
>
> Certainly, not. But perhaps would be better as a symbol to have a
little land in Italy, around Rome. I have heard of the "Temple for
the gods" project: this property near Rome could be very well
connected with this project. I think it's important to have a sybolic
land which can be considered that our State territory. But it's
meaningful only if it's in Rome, or around Rome.
>
>

Pisc: Certainly. T. Flavius Aquila has already submitted such a
proposal to me. It is something that I support and that I have
offered a little advice on. Cum Divis volentibus we should
definitely seek to establish Nova Roma's spiritual center in the
heart of the Eternal City that we all cherish.


> >>> I will discuss proposals first with my colleague and our
advisors, and then with the Senate on reorganzing some provinciae and
possibly creating new
> provinciae. <<<
>
>
> Reforms about the provincial structure is essential, but by all
means I ask you not to create new provinciae, prefer rather to reduce
their number! The USA shuold be one provincia, for example: but
divided into several REGIONS and LOCAL GROUPS. A provincia is not the
level of the citizens regular activity, but the supervions and
control tool of the central government.
>

Pisc: I made a similar observation to the Censores in 2005. As you
know we have a little difficulty in filling all of the positions for
provincial governors, when we really do not need so many. Two or
three at the most for the US for administrative purposes, but beneath
them, break up the current provincia into smaller, more managable
units. Where we are considering creating new provincia at the
moment is one for Centroamerica centered on the Citizens of Costa
Rica but also including Honduras, Guatamala, and Panama, and another
for the region that was formerly Gran Colombia that would center
mainly on the Citizens of Peru, but also include Colombia, Ecuador,
Bolivia, Guyana, and Venezuela. We have enough Citizens in Costa
Rica and Peru to justify new provinciae. Uraguay and Chile are
potential areas to organize in the future, but we need to await the
results of Census 2007 before we can make any determinations.

> Create more Regions and local groups, but n NR provincia shuold
be no smaller than a macro State or Confederation.
>

Pisc: Well, it is a little different on this side of the Atlantic
than in Europe. With the expanse of the US, and in Canada as well,
there are regional differences that warrant our consideration. If
you take all of Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, Europe is
only slightly larger than the eastern half of the continental US.
The western half of the US is larger still, and that doesn't include
Alaska or Hawaii. For all that expanse, we are not as densely
populated as in Europe, except in certain areas of the east coast and
California. So one governor is not enough for the US, any more than
one governor would be for Europe. But we can certainly reduce the
number by better organizing the composition of a provincia.

> >>> Tempus est etiam maiora conari. <<<
>
>
> Et facere et pati fortia Romanum est.
>
>
> CURA UZ VALEAS!

Et tu, si vales, bene est, ego valeo.

M Moravius Piscinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51952 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Pridie Kalendae Novembrae
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Curate ut valeatis, et Di vos servent.

Hodie est die pristini Kalendas Novembris; haec dies comitialis est:
Isia inventio Osiris.

Happy Halloween!

AUC 709 /44 BCE A Ghost Story from Cicero

"Two Arcadian companions traveled together and came to Megara. One
of them went to stay at an inn, the other with a friend. After a
meal they took to their beds. Just after he had retired for the
night the man who was staying with a friend saw a vision of the other
companion in his dreams, in which he pleaded for help, because the
innkeeper was plotting to murder him. His first reaction was to
awaken in terror at the dream, but then he gathered his wits,
concluded that the vision was untrue and went back to sleep. As he
slept he saw another vision in which the same companion begged him
that he should not suffer his death to go unavenged, since he had not
come to his aid while still alive. After killing him, he said, the
innkeeper had thrown his body on the back of a cart and covered it
with dung. He asked him to bring himself to the town gate in the
morning before the cart could leave the place. This dream disturbed
the young man, and so he confronted the driver at the gate and asked
him what was in the cart. He fled in terror, the dead man was pulled
out of the dung, all was revealed, and the innkeeper paid the
penalty." ~ Cicero, On Divination 1.57


What would All Hallow's Eve be without a good, old fashion Roman
curse?

Diespiter te dique perdant et ventrem tuom parasitosque omnes, et qui
posthac cenam parasitis dabit.

"May Father Dis and the infernal gods destroy you, and your stomach,
and all the parasites that dwell therein, and all those who shall
encourage them henceforth." ~Plautus, Captivi 909-910



Thought of the day from Epictetus, Enchiridion 15

"Remember that you must behave as at a banquet. Is anything brought
round to you? Put out your hand, and take a moderate share. Does it
pass by you? Do not stop it. Is it not come yet? Do not yearn in
desire towards it, but wait till it reaches you. So with regard to
children, wife, office, riches; and you will some time or other be
worthy to feast with the Gods. And if you do not so much as take the
things which are set before you, but are able even to forego them,
then you will not only be worthy to feast with the Gods, but to rule
with Them also. For, by thus doing, Diogenes and Heraclitus, and
others like them, deservedly became divine, and were so recognized."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51953 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2007-10-30
Subject: Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR
Titus Arminius Genialis Consuli Tiberio Galerio Paulino Civibusque SPD

I humbly come to your presence wearing the toga candida to announce my
candidacy for the Quaetorship in 2761.

I come from Provincia Brasilia, where I'm in the fourth year of my
undergraduate studies for being a physician. I am 21 years old, and I wish
to start my cursus honorum. Since my childhood, I have always been
interested in Ancient Rome, and Nova Roma is a unique opportunity for
celebrating its amazing, rich culture. By working directly in the government
of our Res Publica, I can try to help on the development of our projects, so
that we will be able to achieve the Roman values, make them respected and
bring them to our daily life, following the good examples the Romans left us
during centuries.

A few weeks before joining Nova Roma in 2002, I had already started to work
as assistant of the interpreter for Portuguese. In my early citizenship, I
also served twice as Scriba Propraetoris (including once as Retiarius),
twice as Provincial Legate for Foreign Affairs, Scribe of Curator Differum
Ti. Galerius Paulinus, Scribe of Plebeian Aedile, and Accensus Junior of
Consul K Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.

All this previous profile has taught me a little about how people act and
react, a little more about the difference between void politics and real
government and, the most important, a lot about how to solve problems and
make things work out. I sincerely believe in Nova Roma and in a successful
future for our community. And I want to take part of this hard work, so that
we can share ideas, experiences and expectations. This is team work, and
this is what is going to keep us as legitimate heirs of Roma Antiqua. Our
independence and sovereignty depends solely on good projects and on working
people who put these projects on the way.

Currently, I am Interpreter for Portuguese, Scriba Censoris and Legatus Pro
Praetore in my Province.

Now I offer you my candidacy for Quaestor, as a small step towards achieving
these purposes. And I ask your vote, so that we can take this step together.

Valete optime bene.

TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
Candidate for Quaestor 2761

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51954 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Português - Declaração de candidatura para Questor 2761
Titus Arminius Genialis Consuli Tiberio Galerio Paulino Civibusque SPD

Venho humildemente à sua presença, vestindo a toga candida, anunciar-lhes
minha candidatura à Questura em 2761.

Sou da Provincia Brasilia, onde estou atualmente no quarto ano de graduação
em medicina. Tenho 21 anos e desejo começar o meu cursus horonum. Desde a
minha infância, sempre fui interessado na Roma Antiga, e Nova Roma é uma
oportunidade única de celebrar a sua cultura, que é tão fascinante e rica.
Trabalhando diretamente no governo da nossa Res Publica, poderei tentar
ajudar no desenvolvimento de nossos projetos, para que possamos atingir os
valores romanos, fazê-los respeitados e trazê-los à nossa vida diária,
seguindo sempre os bons exemplos deixados pelos romanos durante séculos.

Desde algumas semanas antes de entrar para Nova Roma em 2002, eu já havia
começado a trabalhar como assistente do intérprete para o portugês. No
início da minha cidadania, também servi duas vezes como Scriba Propraetoris
(incluindo uma vez como Retiarius), duas vezes como Legado Provincial para
Relações Exteriores, Scriba do Curator Differum Ti. Galerius Paulinus,
Scriba do Edil Plebeu e Accensus Junior do Cônsul K Fabius Buteo
Quintilianus.

Todo esse perfil me ensinou um pouco sobre como as pessoas agem e reagem; um
pouco mais sobre a diferença entre política nula de significado e um governo
de fato; e, o mais importante, me ensinou bastante sobre como solucionar
problemas e fazer as coisas funcionarem. Eu sinceramente acredito em Nova
Roma e em um futuro de muito sucesso para a nossa comunidade. E eu quero
fazer parte desse trabalho árduo, para trocarmos idéias, experiências e
expectativas. Isso é trabalho em equipe, e isso é o que vai nos tornar
legítimos herdeiros da Roma Antiga. Nossa independência e soberania depende
unicamente de bons projetos e de pessoas que dêem rumo a esses projetos.

Atualmente, sou Intérprete para o português, Scriba Censoris e Legatus Pro
Praetore da minha Província.

Agora, ofereço a vocês a minha candidatura a Questor, como um pequeno passo
em direção a esses objetivos. E peço o seu voto, para que possamos dar esse
passo juntos.

Valete optime bene.

TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
Candidato a Questor 2761

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51955 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Candidacy for the office of Aedilis curulis
Salvete Omnes,

Citizen,

This is a great opportunity for our Republic to have members such as
Albucius, tireless worker, erudite person, respectful to Mos Maiorum
and totally devoted to NR.

You can be certain that he will completely fulfil his office, like all
demanding positions he held previously.

For this reason, I support his candidacy and invite you to vote for him.

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Celticae Legatus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
<albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> P. Memmius Albucius Consuli Galerio et omnibus s.d.
>
>
> Please register, Consul, my candidacy to the office of Aedilis curulis
> Novae Romae for next year, 2761 a.u.c..
> Currently Aed. Cytheris 's aedilician quaestor, I have decided, instead
> of running for higher magistracies, to follow our Mos maiorum.
> I thus request our citizens to elect me to the next step of my cursus
> honorum, this of Aedilis curulis.
> Former Tribunus plebis and currently your accensus, Consul, as Pr.
> Tullia's scribe, I am also Legatus pro praetore Galliae and member of
> Magna mater project and Vox Romana's team.
>
> Tibi gratias, Consul, et omnes.
>
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51956 From: M·C·C Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: CALL FOR CANDIDATES: Time limits for declaring candidacies
M. Curiatius Complutensis Tribunus Plebis omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD

Announcements of candidacy for the plebeian offices of Tribunus Plebis and Aediles Plebis before the Comitia Plebis Tributa and Declarations of candidacy to the Tribuni Plebis must be received no later than 23.59 CET 31 Oct (before Midnight at Rome, 6:00 PM EDT, or 3:00 PM PDT).

At this time we have only

4 candidates for Tribunus Plebis
1 candidate for Tribunus Plebis who has not announced his candidacy in the Comitia Plebis Tributa
and 1 candidate for Aedilis Plebis

Valete

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
PROPRAETOR HISPANIA
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51957 From: quintus_arrius_nauta Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Declaration of Candidacy for Tribunus Plebis - Quintus Arrius Nauta
Quintus Arrius Nauta Omibus civibus Novae Romae s.p.d.

Salvete cives Novae Romae !

Let me introduce myself and present my candidacy for the office of
Tribunus Plebis in MMDCCLXI A·V·C (2008 CE).

I was born in the province of Pannonia, city of Aquincum 31 years ago.
I work in the local garrison as a helmsman on a military vessel
guarding fluvius Danuvius. I looked at ancient Rome with interest
since childhood and later on I was learning lingua Latina for four
years in high school. There - although I was overwhelmed with other
studies - I performed quite well and get to know the ancient Roman
culture and civilization more. Though it was a long time ago and when
I found Nova Roma on the net I joined with the hope of refreshing my
knowledge moreover to become a Roman myself.

Being a soldier myself I always interesed in Roman military,
especially naval vessels and tactics, but I also participated in
reenactment events within Pannonia. I decided to help actively our
Propraetor as Scriba Legati pro Praetore to make the province more
organized and to give a more attractive and easy to use homepage to us
to have more more citizens in Pannonia. I have a large number of ideas
and I see great opportunities in Nova Roma to realize them and improve
our entire community by them.

As Tribunus Plebis I will represent and protect the people rights and
interpret their desires to the senate. My plan are to improve our
communication to the people by letting more of them know Nova Roma and
more importantly to communicate with each other in an efficient manner.
I believe this important office of Nova Roma would give me good chance
to make innovative changes and several new ideas be realized to get
another step closer to our common goal of a living and working New
Roman society. My comminucation skills, education, commitment and of
course my military skill will all be serving Nova Roma.

Valete omnes!

Quintus Arrius Nauta
Scriba Legati pro Praetore Pannoniae
Tribuna Plebis Candidatus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51958 From: qvalerius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Q. Valerius Poplicola Cornelio Moravioque et omnibus SPD:

I will admit that I confided to both Cn. Cornelius and M. Moravius
that I too support land in Rome. Fellow cives, who were the Romans
without Rome? They were either Greeks or Barbarians. While both Greeks
are illustrious and barbarians are noble, they're not Roman. So
perhaps we can call ourselves Barbarian, but we can hardly call
ourselves Roman if we do not have Rome.

Outside Rome there is a lot of farmland. Perhaps if I soon visit my
family in Florence I can look around at places in Rome - though
Lentulus I believe and others here can do so before us.

If we are to seriously consider buying land in Rome, there will be a
need to form an expert committee to evaluate the possibilities, etc...
However, that is in the future.

I disagree with both Moravius and Lentulus that the land in Texas is
useless. I very much so disagree! But it's useless if we refuse to do
anything with it. One possible thing to do would be to host large
gladiator/legion re-enactment scenes there. Though I have not
personally viewed the area, from what I've seen it seems the perfect
place - isolated, flat, and grassy - to host such events.

We could even invite the SCA at large. Undoubtedly this can and will
bring in new cives.

Legions, the Exercitus Romanus itself, as it was in ancient times, so
should it be in modern times the face of Nova Roma. It's the "glitz"
and the "glamour" of being a soldier that will appeal to many new
recruits.

Perhaps, and with this I merely may be dreaming, but just perhaps it
may be possible to build a circus or an amphitheatre. Something real,
something concrete.

Remember, these are ideas. I look forward to meaningful dialogue.

In pace Iouis optimi maximi,

ualete.

> >
> > >>> For example, some years ago the Senate approved
> > of a Land Fund. ....
> > Is it really worth Nova Roma, Inc. to keep this liability? Is
> it really
> > worth our keeping USD $500 tied up in a Land Fund that can only be
> > used to buy more worthless land at the cost of back taxes? <<<
> >
> >
> > Certainly, not. But perhaps would be better as a symbol to have a
> little land in Italy, around Rome. I have heard of the "Temple for
> the gods" project: this property near Rome could be very well
> connected with this project. I think it's important to have a sybolic
> land which can be considered that our State territory. But it's
> meaningful only if it's in Rome, or around Rome.
> >
> >
>
> Pisc: Certainly. T. Flavius Aquila has already submitted such a
> proposal to me. It is something that I support and that I have
> offered a little advice on. Cum Divis volentibus we should
> definitely seek to establish Nova Roma's spiritual center in the
> heart of the Eternal City that we all cherish.
>
> >
> >
> > Reforms about the provincial structure is essential, but by all
> means I ask you not to create new provinciae, prefer rather to reduce
> their number! The USA shuold be one provincia, for example: but
> divided into several REGIONS and LOCAL GROUPS. A provincia is not the
> level of the citizens regular activity, but the supervions and
> control tool of the central government.
> >
>
> Pisc: I made a similar observation to the Censores in 2005. As you
> know we have a little difficulty in filling all of the positions for
> provincial governors, when we really do not need so many. Two or
> three at the most for the US for administrative purposes, but beneath
> them, break up the current provincia into smaller, more managable
> units. Where we are considering creating new provincia at the
> moment is one for Centroamerica centered on the Citizens of Costa
> Rica but also including Honduras, Guatamala, and Panama, and another
> for the region that was formerly Gran Colombia that would center
> mainly on the Citizens of Peru, but also include Colombia, Ecuador,
> Bolivia, Guyana, and Venezuela. We have enough Citizens in Costa
> Rica and Peru to justify new provinciae. Uraguay and Chile are
> potential areas to organize in the future, but we need to await the
> results of Census 2007 before we can make any determinations.
>
> > Create more Regions and local groups, but n NR provincia shuold
> be no smaller than a macro State or Confederation.
> >
>
> Pisc: Well, it is a little different on this side of the Atlantic
> than in Europe. With the expanse of the US, and in Canada as well,
> there are regional differences that warrant our consideration. If
> you take all of Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, Europe is
> only slightly larger than the eastern half of the continental US.
> The western half of the US is larger still, and that doesn't include
> Alaska or Hawaii. For all that expanse, we are not as densely
> populated as in Europe, except in certain areas of the east coast and
> California. So one governor is not enough for the US, any more than
> one governor would be for Europe. But we can certainly reduce the
> number by better organizing the composition of a provincia.
>
> > >>> Tempus est etiam maiora conari. <<<
> >
> >
> > Et facere et pati fortia Romanum est.
> >
> >
> > CURA UZ VALEAS!
>
> Et tu, si vales, bene est, ego valeo.
>
> M Moravius Piscinus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51959 From: titus.aquila Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Endorsing Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
Salvete omnes, Salvete Romani !

As a candicate for the Tribunus Plebis I am not sure if I should do
any endorsing for higher magistrates, but in this case I will do so
as a citizen.

Dear fellow citizen I endorse Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
for consul. I am sure that Horatianus will do an excellent job and
we will see progress Nova Roma in 2761 A.U.C. Horatianus has all the
capabilities and ideas he will need to become a very successful
consul.

Together with Titus Iulius Sabinus we will see an excellent pair of
consuls for 2761 A.U.C.

Valete optime

Di vos incolumes custodiant
Titus Flavius
Scriba Censoris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51960 From: titus.aquila Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Endorsing Publius Memmius Albucius
Endorsing Publius Memmius Albucius

Salvete omnes, Salvete Romani!

Dear fellow citizen I endorse Publius Memmius Albucius for Aedilis
curulis.

Personally, I would have liked to see Albucius running for higher
offices, but Albucius honors the cursus honorum , which demonstrates
his aspiring commitment to public service.
Albucius has my highest respect !

I am sure that Albucius will be an excellent Aedilis curulis.

Valete optime

Di vos incolumes custodiant

Titus Flavius
Scriba Censoris
Tribunus Plebis Candidatus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51961 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Endorsing Publius Memmius Albucius
P. Memmius Albucius T. Flavio Aquilae s.d.

Thanks a lot for your support, Flavi.

Yes, I do think, even if our laws authorize us to run for our highest
curule magistracies with, for example, just a rogator experience,
that our mos maiorum should bring us preferring completing our cursus
honorum step by step. There are two excellent reasons in this custom
rule : the more you climb these steps, the older you get and, thus,
(for the most of Romans), the wiser ; and at the same time, you get a
more diversified experience of the different fields of our public
action.

I have seen with pleasure that you have offered the Plebs your
candidacy for the Tribunate. I think that, among the valuable
candidacies yet declared and in the context that I have evoked above,
yours is particularly useful for the res publica, for you have what
our republic needs : energy, method and project skills, and sense of
the public thing.

Vale Flavi et omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "titus.aquila" <titus.aquila@...>
wrote:
>
> Endorsing Publius Memmius Albucius
>
> Salvete omnes, Salvete Romani!
>
> Dear fellow citizen I endorse Publius Memmius Albucius for Aedilis
> curulis.
>
> Personally, I would have liked to see Albucius running for higher
> offices, but Albucius honors the cursus honorum , which
demonstrates
> his aspiring commitment to public service.
> Albucius has my highest respect !
>
> I am sure that Albucius will be an excellent Aedilis curulis.
>
> Valete optime
>
> Di vos incolumes custodiant
>
> Titus Flavius
> Scriba Censoris
> Tribunus Plebis Candidatus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51962 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Candidacy for the office of Aedilis curulis
Memmius Rutilio s.d.

It is always a great honor receiving such appreciations from one of
our citizens who lives, in his daily life and with no wide publicity,
our roman virtues and who knows what work and public duty mean.

Thanks for your words, Honorable Minervalis.

Vale,


P. Memmius Albucius




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Rutilius Minervalis"
<pjtuloup@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Citizen,
>
> This is a great opportunity for our Republic to have members such as
> Albucius, tireless worker, erudite person, respectful to Mos Maiorum
> and totally devoted to NR.
>
> You can be certain that he will completely fulfil his office, like
all
> demanding positions he held previously.
>
> For this reason, I support his candidacy and invite you to vote for
him.
>
> Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
> Celticae Legatus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
> <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius Consuli Galerio et omnibus s.d.
> >
> >
> > Please register, Consul, my candidacy to the office of Aedilis
curulis
> > Novae Romae for next year, 2761 a.u.c..
> > Currently Aed. Cytheris 's aedilician quaestor, I have decided,
instead
> > of running for higher magistracies, to follow our Mos maiorum.
> > I thus request our citizens to elect me to the next step of my
cursus
> > honorum, this of Aedilis curulis.
> > Former Tribunus plebis and currently your accensus, Consul, as
Pr.
> > Tullia's scribe, I am also Legatus pro praetore Galliae and
member of
> > Magna mater project and Vox Romana's team.
> >
> > Tibi gratias, Consul, et omnes.
> >
> >
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51963 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
M Moravius Piscinus Fl. Galerio Aureliano SPD:

You are correct that a provincia is entitled to retain up to half of
the tax revenue collected from its Citizens. Those monies are to be
expended on provincial events and projects. In your annual report,
therefore, you are to provide a balance sheet. Any money retained by
a provincia but not expended would properly go to the central
organization. It could be reserved, saved by the provincia, for a
future prokect - as some provinciae do in Europe while preparing to
host the Conventus - but you have to provide the Senate with plans
for that future project, also in your annual report.

In order to be able to retain half of their tax revenues, the Legati
Pro Praetores need to organize tax collection within their
provincia. You should have a designated account to receive such
funds, and it should not be the personal bank account pf the Legatus
Pro Praetor. The money belongs to Nova Roma, Inc. and thus has to be
kept separate from personal accounts.

For a special project, you can always write to the Senate, or to the
Consules who would take the request before the Senate, for additional
funding. Then it would be for a special allocation, requiring a
senatus consultum for approval.

I think that you have referred to the request of Arnamentia Moravia,
Propraetrix of America Austroccidentalis at the time (before titles
were changed), to be reimbursed for her expenses during Census 2005.
Under the provisions of the lex establishing the biennial census, the
Gubenatores are entitled to reimbursement for phone calls they make
and/or for postage that are expended in the service of the census.
Arnamentia Moravia was exceptionally diligent in performing her
duties during Census 2005, and thus did incur expenses. It was not
an automatic reimbursement. It required a senatus consultum to
approve what was a special allocation.

Your suggestion is a good one. We could make a template for requests
for special allocations from the Senate, for the Gubenatores to use.
That could be kept in the files at the list you mentioned for them.
The Gubenatores should consider making other templates as well, such
as a standard form for making annual reports to the Senate, and also
informational packets. Then we would have material available for
when someone new becomes a Gubenator or Gubenatrix, the same as
Moravia Aventina provided for future Tribuni Plebis when she wrote
the Tribune's Handbook.

I am glad to hear that you will be requesting to remain Gubenator of
America Austrorientalis. From what I have seen of your posts and
heard from others, you have effectively begun to hold events for some
Citizens in your provincia. Yours is one of those provincia where
its size makes it difficult to have provincial-wide events. There
are parts in the eastern portion of your provincia that could your
attention more for those Citizens as well. But it is a vast area and
it will take time. Bonam habe Fortunam

Di Deaeque te bene ament. Vale optime

M Moravius Piscinus
Canidatus Consul





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus M. Moravio Piscino sal.
>
> Technically, any NR provincial governor can collect the annual
taxes from his citizens and retain half of the monies in a provincial
treasury UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS SET BY EXISTING NR LEGES.? However,
most NR governors have never gone to the trouble to do so nor have
they requested a list of the assidui within their province from the
Censores.? This list would provide a basis for provincial governors
to know how much money they could request from the central
administration for projects and events; based on their annual
budgets.?
>
> The central administration and Senate of Nova Roma has never
established a standard procedure for provincial governors to request
monies for provincial projects and events.? This is something that
needs to be brought up during the reorganization of NR by the next
set of magistrates.? There has been at least one occasion (according
to the Gubenatores yahoogroup) where a provinicial governor
successfully petitioned to receive money from the central
administration.? This could be used as a template.
>
> My province has used its treasury funds to contribute toward food
purchased for a fasti (the Neptunalia) and to buy materials used for
a public demonstration (Legio V Alaudae Roman Festivus).?? The
importance of provincial governors making more efforts to become self
sufficient and also contribute to the growth of Nova Roma cannot be
understated.
>
> I will not likely be running for a magistracy in this election
because we have a number of candidates stepping up for the plebeian
offices.? However, I will be submitting my report as a provinicial
gubernator and asking that the Senate prorogue me in office.
>
> Vale.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51964 From: C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Suporting Titus Arminius Genialis for QUAESTOR
Vale, amici!

I suport Titus Arminius Genialis for Quaestor! I know that he will be a wonderful job in this position.

Vale & Valete
C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
======================
TRIBVNVS.PLEBIS.NOVAE.ROMAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51965 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Call for Candidates: Candidacy for Rogator
Salvete Omnes,

After several months away from this forum, I am happy to be here
again, within the Roman values which are so important for me and the
people who share them with me. I thank all those which wrote to me
during this difficult period.

The time of the elections having come, I notice that no one declared
his candidacy for the vital position of Rogator.

This is why, although if this office is not that to which I intended
to declare my candicacy initially, I would like announce to you my
candidature for the position of Rogator.

I had the chance and the honor to work in the team of the Censores
Quintilianus and Marinus, and I thus know that this office is a heavy
load; but I will ensure it for all his duration, in order to prevent
that our Republic is blocked in such an important task.

You know my past duties: citizen since 2002 and currently Galliae
Legateus for the Celtica regio, I was in the past Questor, Diribitor,
Propraetor (of Gallia) and accensus and scriba censoris.

I very often said that the Roman values were the only ones being able
to save a world which runs in all unconsciousness towards a
catastrophic end; I am happy to find in NR the way of restoring them
and proud to help it as far as I can.

Can Minerva help me in this task.

Valete,

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Celticae Legatus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius Galerius Paulinus"
<spqr753@...> wrote:
>
>
> EDICTUM CONSULARE XVIII-MMDCCLX A.U.C
>
> Ex offico Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> I herby issue a call for candidates for the following offices
>
> I CENSOR: Must be at least 27 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
(January
> 1st, 2008). Must already have served at least six months as a
consul,
> praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius
> (formerly curator araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly curator
> differum), rogator, or provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
>
> II CONSULS: Must be at least 27 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
(January
> 1st, 2008). Must already have served at least six months as a
consul,
> praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius
> (formerly curator araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly curator
> differum), rogator, or provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
>
> II PRAETORS: Must be at least 25 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
(January
> 1st, 2008). Must already have served at least six months as a
consul,
> praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius
> (formerly curator araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly curator
> differum), rogator, or provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
>
> II CURULE AEDILES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian.
2761
> (January 1st, 2008). Must be assiduus.
>
> VIII QUAESTORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
> (January 1st, 2008). Must be assiduus.
>
> II ROGATORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
> (January 1st, 2008). Must be assiduus.
>
> IV DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
> (January 1st, 2008). Must be assiduus.
>
> II CUSTODES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
(January
> 1st, 2008). Must be assiduus.
>
> Please announce your candidacy in this Roman forum (main e-mail
list )
> and by posting to me at spqr753@... <mailto:spqr753@...> . To
> serve in any of these offices must have been a citizen for at least
six
> months by Kal. Ian. 2761 (January 1st, 2008) and be an assiduus
> (tax-paying) citizen. I will submit an official list to the Magister
> Aranearius for placement in the cista and will post the same to the
> Forum.
>
> Candidates will be accepted until pr. Kal. Nov. (October 31st 2760 )
> 2359 Roman time.
>
> The voting will commence on the a.d. XVII Kal. Dec.(November 15th)
> Pending favorable auspices
>
> Given by my hand ante diem XIII Kal. Oct MMDCCLX A.U.C. ( October
14th
> 2760 A.U.C.), at 23:00 roman time in the consulship of L. Arminius
> Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51966 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Call for Candidates: Candidacy for Rogator
P. Memmius Albucius Rutilio s.d.


I am sure that Minerva will not be alone in helping you supporting
your candidacy for rogator, which honors you specially because you
have - as you happened to tell me privately - thought of others
tracks.

I am sure that your qualities and the support of several highest
citizens of our republic, will join Minerva to back up your efforts!

Good luck to you,

Vale bene,


Memmius





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Rutilius Minervalis"
<pjtuloup@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> After several months away from this forum, I am happy to be here
> again, within the Roman values which are so important for me and
the
> people who share them with me. I thank all those which wrote to me
> during this difficult period.
>
> The time of the elections having come, I notice that no one
declared
> his candidacy for the vital position of Rogator.
>
> This is why, although if this office is not that to which I
intended
> to declare my candicacy initially, I would like announce to you my
> candidature for the position of Rogator.
>
> I had the chance and the honor to work in the team of the Censores
> Quintilianus and Marinus, and I thus know that this office is a
heavy
> load; but I will ensure it for all his duration, in order to
prevent
> that our Republic is blocked in such an important task.
>
> You know my past duties: citizen since 2002 and currently Galliae
> Legateus for the Celtica regio, I was in the past Questor,
Diribitor,
> Propraetor (of Gallia) and accensus and scriba censoris.
>
> I very often said that the Roman values were the only ones being
able
> to save a world which runs in all unconsciousness towards a
> catastrophic end; I am happy to find in NR the way of restoring
them
> and proud to help it as far as I can.
>
> Can Minerva help me in this task.
>
> Valete,
>
> Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
> Celticae Legatus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius Galerius Paulinus"
> <spqr753@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > EDICTUM CONSULARE XVIII-MMDCCLX A.U.C
> >
> > Ex offico Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> > I herby issue a call for candidates for the following offices
> >
> > I CENSOR: Must be at least 27 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
> (January
> > 1st, 2008). Must already have served at least six months as a
> consul,
> > praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius
> > (formerly curator araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly
curator
> > differum), rogator, or provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
> >
> > II CONSULS: Must be at least 27 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
> (January
> > 1st, 2008). Must already have served at least six months as a
> consul,
> > praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius
> > (formerly curator araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly
curator
> > differum), rogator, or provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
> >
> > II PRAETORS: Must be at least 25 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
> (January
> > 1st, 2008). Must already have served at least six months as a
> consul,
> > praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius
> > (formerly curator araneae), editor commentariorum (formerly
curator
> > differum), rogator, or provincial governor. Must be assiduus.
> >
> > II CURULE AEDILES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian.
> 2761
> > (January 1st, 2008). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > VIII QUAESTORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian.
2761
> > (January 1st, 2008). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > II ROGATORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
> > (January 1st, 2008). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > IV DIRIBITORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
> > (January 1st, 2008). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > II CUSTODES: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761
> (January
> > 1st, 2008). Must be assiduus.
> >
> > Please announce your candidacy in this Roman forum (main e-mail
> list )
> > and by posting to me at spqr753@ <mailto:spqr753@> . To
> > serve in any of these offices must have been a citizen for at
least
> six
> > months by Kal. Ian. 2761 (January 1st, 2008) and be an assiduus
> > (tax-paying) citizen. I will submit an official list to the
Magister
> > Aranearius for placement in the cista and will post the same to
the
> > Forum.
> >
> > Candidates will be accepted until pr. Kal. Nov. (October 31st
2760 )
> > 2359 Roman time.
> >
> > The voting will commence on the a.d. XVII Kal. Dec.(November 15th)
> > Pending favorable auspices
> >
> > Given by my hand ante diem XIII Kal. Oct MMDCCLX A.U.C. ( October
> 14th
> > 2760 A.U.C.), at 23:00 roman time in the consulship of L. Arminius
> > Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51967 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Candidates for Consul--Will they get control of our organization
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Q. Valerio Poplicolae salutem dicit

As someone who has hosted events in the past I can say that the land in
Texas is useless. In order to do an event you need to be centrally
located. The Texas land is not near an airport and the drive would be
several days. I don't suspect there are many amenities nearby (water,
sewage, food, etc...) to accommodate a large contingent of people.

The problem with the SCA is that they don't approve of religious ceremonies
at their events -- perhaps mock ceremonies. Nova Roma events seem to shut
the Religio Romana into the closet and hide it from the sensitive eyes of
reenactors. The solution to Nova Roma's problems is not the land in Texas,
that land is worthless and should be gotten sold.

Perhaps an endowment fund could be established to save for usable land. But
that is a very long term project and would need dedicated citizens willing
to mange the land. That doesn't seem possible considering Nova Roma's track
record. People come, get active, and leave, burn out, get frustrated,
etc... Its unfortunate. What to do? Not sure.

Vale:

Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus

On 10/31/07, qvalerius <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
>
>
> I disagree with both Moravius and Lentulus that the land in Texas is
> useless. I very much so disagree! But it's useless if we refuse to do
> anything with it. One possible thing to do would be to host large
> gladiator/legion re-enactment scenes there. Though I have not
> personally viewed the area, from what I've seen it seems the perfect
> place - isolated, flat, and grassy - to host such events.
>
> We could even invite the SCA at large. Undoubtedly this can and will
> bring in new cives.
>
> Legions, the Exercitus Romanus itself, as it was in ancient times, so
> should it be in modern times the face of Nova Roma. It's the "glitz"
> and the "glamour" of being a soldier that will appeal to many new
> recruits.
>
> Perhaps, and with this I merely may be dreaming, but just perhaps it
> may be possible to build a circus or an amphitheatre. Something real,
> something concrete.
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51968 From: titus.aquila Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Our Land in Texas
Salvete Quirites ! Fellow citizens !

I fully support our Censor Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, this land is
useless, we should really sell the land in Texas, as we even have to
pay a yearly tax on it.I understand that we have it as a kind of
token for our nation.

I would propose to buy land near or even in our eternal city of
Rome, thus bringing Nova Roma home.

Let's use this place then as our annual gathering place and for our
religious ceremonies, we could even combine it with the project I
had initiated A temple for the Gods.We do not need and do not want
to hide our Religio Romana.

An endowment fund could be a good start, but I do not want to see it
as a longterm Project. We need to come to a general assembly area
quite quickly . I am sure that following the republican tradition of
our ancestors we will see private donations , I am willing to donate
myself.

We need to get out in the open to attract new citizens.

The land in or nearby our mater Roma could be taken care of by local
citizens.

Let our citizens see some progress being made and they will stop
leaving Nova Roma.

Valete optime
Di vos incolumes custodiant

Valete Optime
Titus Flavius Aquila
Scriba Censoris
Tribunus Plebis Candidatus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Q. Valerio Poplicolae salutem dicit
>
> As someone who has hosted events in the past I can say that the
land in
> Texas is useless. In order to do an event you need to be centrally
> located. The Texas land is not near an airport and the drive
would be
> several days. I don't suspect there are many amenities nearby
(water,
> sewage, food, etc...) to accommodate a large contingent of people.
>
> The problem with the SCA is that they don't approve of religious
ceremonies
> at their events -- perhaps mock ceremonies. Nova Roma events seem
to shut
> the Religio Romana into the closet and hide it from the sensitive
eyes of
> reenactors. The solution to Nova Roma's problems is not the land
in Texas,
> that land is worthless and should be gotten sold.
>
> Perhaps an endowment fund could be established to save for usable
land. But
> that is a very long term project and would need dedicated citizens
willing
> to mange the land. That doesn't seem possible considering Nova
Roma's track
> record. People come, get active, and leave, burn out, get
frustrated,
> etc... Its unfortunate. What to do? Not sure.
>
> Vale:
>
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On 10/31/07, qvalerius <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I disagree with both Moravius and Lentulus that the land in
Texas is
> > useless. I very much so disagree! But it's useless if we refuse
to do
> > anything with it. One possible thing to do would be to host large
> > gladiator/legion re-enactment scenes there. Though I have not
> > personally viewed the area, from what I've seen it seems the
perfect
> > place - isolated, flat, and grassy - to host such events.
> >
> > We could even invite the SCA at large. Undoubtedly this can and
will
> > bring in new cives.
> >
> > Legions, the Exercitus Romanus itself, as it was in ancient
times, so
> > should it be in modern times the face of Nova Roma. It's
the "glitz"
> > and the "glamour" of being a soldier that will appeal to many new
> > recruits.
> >
> > Perhaps, and with this I merely may be dreaming, but just
perhaps it
> > may be possible to build a circus or an amphitheatre. Something
real,
> > something concrete.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51969 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR
Titus, my friend, you can count with my support.

Vale Optime Bene,

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
From: Titus Arminius Genialis
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com ; novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com ; spqr753@... ; nrbrasil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:58 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR


Titus Arminius Genialis Consuli Tiberio Galerio Paulino Civibusque SPD

I humbly come to your presence wearing the toga candida to announce my
candidacy for the Quaetorship in 2761.

I come from Provincia Brasilia, where I'm in the fourth year of my
undergraduate studies for being a physician. I am 21 years old, and I wish
to start my cursus honorum. Since my childhood, I have always been
interested in Ancient Rome, and Nova Roma is a unique opportunity for
celebrating its amazing, rich culture. By working directly in the government
of our Res Publica, I can try to help on the development of our projects, so
that we will be able to achieve the Roman values, make them respected and
bring them to our daily life, following the good examples the Romans left us
during centuries.

A few weeks before joining Nova Roma in 2002, I had already started to work
as assistant of the interpreter for Portuguese. In my early citizenship, I
also served twice as Scriba Propraetoris (including once as Retiarius),
twice as Provincial Legate for Foreign Affairs, Scribe of Curator Differum
Ti. Galerius Paulinus, Scribe of Plebeian Aedile, and Accensus Junior of
Consul K Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.

All this previous profile has taught me a little about how people act and
react, a little more about the difference between void politics and real
government and, the most important, a lot about how to solve problems and
make things work out. I sincerely believe in Nova Roma and in a successful
future for our community. And I want to take part of this hard work, so that
we can share ideas, experiences and expectations. This is team work, and
this is what is going to keep us as legitimate heirs of Roma Antiqua. Our
independence and sovereignty depends solely on good projects and on working
people who put these projects on the way.

Currently, I am Interpreter for Portuguese, Scriba Censoris and Legatus Pro
Praetore in my Province.

Now I offer you my candidacy for Quaestor, as a small step towards achieving
these purposes. And I ask your vote, so that we can take this step together.

Valete optime bene.

TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
Candidate for Quaestor 2761

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51970 From: Inigo Fernandez Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Candidacy for the office of Diribitor
Gaius Iulius Adventor omnibus civibus S.P.D.

I don the toga candida and stand before my fellow citizens to present my
candidacy to the office of Diribitor.

I am a full citizen of Nova Roma since March of 2760 AVC (2007 CE) and
Assiduus from this year. I am a plebeian of the glorious and illustrious
Gens Iulia, Tribe Esquilina. I live in Provincia Mexico, where I am a
Historian.

I offer my entire dedication and all of my capabilities to fulfil the
duties of the office of Diribitor.

Valete optime,

C·IVL·ADVENTOR


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51971 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Declaration of candidacy
Salvete Nova Romans

If you are planning to stand for office during this first call for
candidates you have until 6:00 PM
EST TODAY to do so. You must have paid your taxes for this year by then
also.
Official candidates are the ones who posted to me in the manner set out in
my call for candidates.

Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51972 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Gn. Equitius Marinus for Rogator
Salvete quirites,

Because somebody has to do it, and I can do it better than anybody
else, I'm declaring for Rogator for next year.

Those interested in checking out my qualifications are welcome to look
at my Album Civium page: http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=2356

Valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51973 From: liviacases Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Our Land in Texas
Salvete omnes!


> I fully support our Censor Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, this land
is
> useless, we should really sell the land in Texas, as we even have
to
> pay a yearly tax on it.I understand that we have it as a kind of
> token for our nation.
>
> I would propose to buy land near or even in our eternal city of
> Rome, thus bringing Nova Roma home.
>
I was going to say the same thing. I also think those most qualified
people to look for and take care of a plot of land in or near Rome
are the novaroman citizens residing there.

And this time let's make sure we buy a plot of land that can be
reached in a reasonable time and can be connected to the water and
electricity grids without prohibitive expenses. Of course the cheap
ones are those that can't, and that's precisely the reason why
they're cheap.

We could still try to keep the expense down by buying a plot that
can't be built on (those are way cheaper in Italy) but is suitable
for camping. Then we could at least have a small sacred wood,
possibly with a spring. In the short term this would be easier to
realize than the "temple for the Gods" project and it could represent
a first step. We could then have conventi, re-enactment events,
festivals, religious celebrations, and whatever else we want.
Of course the accomodation might be a bit lacking in conforts (in
tents), but let's not plan to build the Domus Aurea just yet.

Mind you, this still requires a considerable economic effort, but I'm
sure fundraising would be much more successful with a concrete
project like this.

Valete,
L. Livia Plauta
Scriba Legati pro praetore Pannoniae
Tribuna Plebis Candidata
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51974 From: Marcus Iulius Severus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: ENDORSING ADVENTOR
Salvete omnibus civibus,

I think that it is really important and rather good for the health of our Res publicae, that cives from different parts of the world should be announcing their candidacies for the next elections. We in Latin America must be more active, and I am really glad to offer my full support to Gaius Iulius Adventor, from the Provincia Mexico, who can and will be a fine Diribitor.

Valete optime,


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51975 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: RES: [Nova-Roma] Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR
Salvete Cai Armini Reccanelle Lucique Fideli Lusitane

Thank you, my friends, for your support. I hope a lot of people are joining
you.

Valete bene

TAGenialis
Candidate for Quaestor 2761
tagenialis@...


> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] Em nome de Bruno Cantermi
> Enviada em: quarta-feira, 31 de outubro de 2007 17:17
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Assunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR
>
> Titus, my friend, you can count with my support.
>
> Vale Optime Bene,
>
> Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Titus Arminius Genialis
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com ;
> novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com ; spqr753@... ;
> nrbrasil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:58 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR
>
>
> Titus Arminius Genialis Consuli Tiberio Galerio Paulino
> Civibusque SPD
>
> I humbly come to your presence wearing the toga candida to
> announce my
> candidacy for the Quaetorship in 2761.
>
> I come from Provincia Brasilia, where I'm in the fourth year of my
> undergraduate studies for being a physician. I am 21 years
> old, and I wish
> to start my cursus honorum. Since my childhood, I have always been
> interested in Ancient Rome, and Nova Roma is a unique
> opportunity for
> celebrating its amazing, rich culture. By working directly
> in the government
> of our Res Publica, I can try to help on the development of
> our projects, so
> that we will be able to achieve the Roman values, make them
> respected and
> bring them to our daily life, following the good examples
> the Romans left us
> during centuries.
>
> A few weeks before joining Nova Roma in 2002, I had already
> started to work
> as assistant of the interpreter for Portuguese. In my early
> citizenship, I
> also served twice as Scriba Propraetoris (including once as
> Retiarius),
> twice as Provincial Legate for Foreign Affairs, Scribe of
> Curator Differum
> Ti. Galerius Paulinus, Scribe of Plebeian Aedile, and
> Accensus Junior of
> Consul K Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.
>
> All this previous profile has taught me a little about how
> people act and
> react, a little more about the difference between void
> politics and real
> government and, the most important, a lot about how to
> solve problems and
> make things work out. I sincerely believe in Nova Roma and
> in a successful
> future for our community. And I want to take part of this
> hard work, so that
> we can share ideas, experiences and expectations. This is
> team work, and
> this is what is going to keep us as legitimate heirs of
> Roma Antiqua. Our
> independence and sovereignty depends solely on good
> projects and on working
> people who put these projects on the way.
>
> Currently, I am Interpreter for Portuguese, Scriba Censoris
> and Legatus Pro
> Praetore in my Province.
>
> Now I offer you my candidacy for Quaestor, as a small step
> towards achieving
> these purposes. And I ask your vote, so that we can take
> this step together.
>
> Valete optime bene.
>
> TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
> Candidate for Quaestor 2761
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51976 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: QUIRINUS webzine - 4th issue - French version online
P. Memmius Albucius Patris omnibus magistratibus et quiritibus s.d.

The 4th French version issue of QUIRINUS is, with its more than 20
pages, online at :

http://www.quirites.org/quirinus04F01.htm

The English version will be issued this month.

For latinists and rugby fans who do not read French and do not want
waiting for this English version, a Chronicalia Ovatofolliaria contains
several articles *in Latin*, written during the recent World Cup that
has been played in France.

Valete Patres et omnes,

P. Memmius Albucius
Editor et Leg. pp. Galliae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51977 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Our Land in Texas
Q. Valerius Liviae

If the Romans didn't need electricity, neither do we! More to the point, we
can always make it work later, but gaining the land sooner is more
important. Once in possession, a Curia can be built.

uale in pace.


On 10/31/07, liviacases <cases@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> > I fully support our Censor Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus, this land
> is
> > useless, we should really sell the land in Texas, as we even have
> to
> > pay a yearly tax on it.I understand that we have it as a kind of
> > token for our nation.
> >
> > I would propose to buy land near or even in our eternal city of
> > Rome, thus bringing Nova Roma home.
> >
> I was going to say the same thing. I also think those most qualified
> people to look for and take care of a plot of land in or near Rome
> are the novaroman citizens residing there.
>
> And this time let's make sure we buy a plot of land that can be
> reached in a reasonable time and can be connected to the water and
> electricity grids without prohibitive expenses. Of course the cheap
> ones are those that can't, and that's precisely the reason why
> they're cheap.
>
> We could still try to keep the expense down by buying a plot that
> can't be built on (those are way cheaper in Italy) but is suitable
> for camping. Then we could at least have a small sacred wood,
> possibly with a spring. In the short term this would be easier to
> realize than the "temple for the Gods" project and it could represent
> a first step. We could then have conventi, re-enactment events,
> festivals, religious celebrations, and whatever else we want.
> Of course the accomodation might be a bit lacking in conforts (in
> tents), but let's not plan to build the Domus Aurea just yet.
>
> Mind you, this still requires a considerable economic effort, but I'm
> sure fundraising would be much more successful with a concrete
> project like this.
>
> Valete,
> L. Livia Plauta
> Scriba Legati pro praetore Pannoniae
> Tribuna Plebis Candidata
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51978 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Suporting Titus Arminius Genialis for QUAESTOR
Salvete Quirites;
I can tell you from the amazingly busy census-taking cohors of
G. Fabius Buteo Modianus, that Tius Ariminius Genialis is incredibly
hard-working and super-contientious. He is working overtime to make
sure all cives from Brasilia and Lusitania are counted!
He is a wonderful civis ; vote for him:)!
bene valete in pacem deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior
candidate for Censor
election page: http://tinyurl.com/ysu2lv




>
> I suport Titus Arminius Genialis for Quaestor! I know that he will
be a wonderful job in this position.
>
> Vale & Valete
> C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
> ======================
> TRIBVNVS.PLEBIS.NOVAE.ROMAE
> "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
>
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>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51979 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: The Comitia Plebis Tributa is convened
Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Tribunus Plebis omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD


Censor and Augur Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus has taked the auspices and the augury was favorable. Therefore the Comitia Plebis Tributa is hereby convened to elect the Plebeian magistates for the year 2761 auc (2008 CE).

The Contio will begin at 09h01, Time of Rome, on 3rd Nov, and will last until 23h59 (Roma time) on 5th Nov.

Voting will then begin immediately and will last until 11st Nov., 18h00.

[ NOTE: The official time of Nova Roma is the Central European Time, the Rome time. To see the time in other parts of the world: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock ]


The schedule for the contio and vote is as follows:

03 Nov, contio begins at 09:01;
05 Nov, contio ends, voting begins at 23:59;
11 Nov, voting ends at 18h00.


The magistracies to be filled, and the candidates for these magistracies are:

TRIBUNUS PLEBIS (5 open positions)
-------------------------------------------
Titus Flavius Aquila
http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=10597

Quintus Valerius Callidus
http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=6903

Quintus Iulius Probus
http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=8534

Lucia Livia Plauta
http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=11097

Quintus Arrius Nauta
http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=10737



AEDILIS PLEBIS (2 open positions)
-------------------------------------------------
Publius Constantinus Placidus
http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=5934



I ask the help of the Magister Aranearius, of the Diribitores and Custodes to prepare in time the votation.

Valete

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS

PROPRAETOR HISPANIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

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ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51980 From: liviacases Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Our Land in Texas
L. Livia Plauta Q. Valeri sal.


> If the Romans didn't need electricity, neither do we! More to the
point, we
> can always make it work later, but gaining the land sooner is more
> important. Once in possession, a Curia can be built.
>
> uale in pace.
>
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid not everybody is ready yet for such a deep
level of re-enactment. I would be, because I have been to martial
arts camps before, but it's not something you can require from all
citizens.
Moreover you wouldn't get the necessary authorizations for organizing
events without water and electricity.
And no, they can't be made to work later. If the water and
electricity grids are not within reasonable distance it becomes an
economic suicide to try and get them later. Other people have
experienced this in Italy and there's no need to repeat such doomed
experiments.
It's the exact reason why the land in Texas is worthless.
And no, a curia can't be built, unless we buy edificable land, but
that's very expensive.
Land in Italy, and many other countries, can be classified as
woodland, agricultural land, or edificable land. Woodland is the
cheapest sort. The reason why there are so many fires in summer is
that speculators set fire to woods in the hope that their cheaply
bought woodland will be reclassified as edificable land.
For us the best course would be to buy some woodland first, near a
village, and then if the money allows it buy an edificable land plot
nearby.

Then, again, the people who are most qualified to work out the
details, choose the spot, make a feasibility plan, are the citizens
living in Rome and surroundings.

L. Livia Plauta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51981 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Plebeian meetings and auspices
Salvete quirites,

I noticed:
> Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Tribunus Plebis omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD
>
> Censor and Augur Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus has taked the auspices
> and the augury was favorable. Therefore the Comitia Plebis Tributa
> is hereby convened to elect the Plebeian magistates for the year
> 2761 auc (2008 CE).

I know everybody's just trying to be religiously respectful here, but
there should never, ever be auspices taken for a meeting of the
Concilium Plebis (aka Comitia Plebis Tributa.) If current plebeian
law requires it, the law should be amended. At very least no
patrician should be seeking auspicium on behalf of the plebeians.

It's no skin off my patrician nose, but it's terribly ahistorical.

Valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51982 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Plebeian meetings and auspices
Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Equitio Marino salutem dicit

For the record I advised Complutensis that an augury was unnecessary, but
performed it none the less at his request.

Vale:

Modianus

On 10/31/07, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete quirites,
>
> I noticed:
> > Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Tribunus Plebis omnes civibus Novae Romae
> SPD
> >
> > Censor and Augur Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus has taked the auspices
> > and the augury was favorable. Therefore the Comitia Plebis Tributa
> > is hereby convened to elect the Plebeian magistates for the year
> > 2761 auc (2008 CE).
>
> I know everybody's just trying to be religiously respectful here, but
> there should never, ever be auspices taken for a meeting of the
> Concilium Plebis (aka Comitia Plebis Tributa.) If current plebeian
> law requires it, the law should be amended. At very least no
> patrician should be seeking auspicium on behalf of the plebeians.
>
> It's no skin off my patrician nose, but it's terribly ahistorical.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51983 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Plebeian meetings and auspices
Salve Gai Fabi,

You write:
> Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Equitio Marino salutem dicit
>
> For the record I advised Complutensis that an augury was unnecessary, but
> performed it none the less at his request.

It was good of you to explain that it was unnecessary, and I
appreciate you wanting to promote piety. But at least by my
understanding of the religious strictures with respect to the
plebeians, I think it was ill-advised. From the lack of bad auspicia,
I take it the gods understand, or at least don't strongly object.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51984 From: marcushoratius Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: KALENDAE NOVEMBRAE
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Di Deaeque vos bene ament

Hodie est Kalendae Novembriae; haec dies fastus est: Isia inventio
Osiris

Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella

Today is the Kalends of November. The month is sacred to Diana. The
Kalends of each month is dedicated to Juno, and to Janus as well.
The Domina, or Lady of the House, leads the household rites. Each
day the hearth and family lararium was swept. On the Kalends, Nonae,
and Ides of each month, or about once a week, the entire house
received a special sweeping to purify it. We know how a house was
swept after someone died in it, and it was common for Romans to die
in their homes. The lictores were given a special mola salsa in
February for this purpose, which they scattered about the house
before it was swept up. It is likely that a similar practice was
made each Kalends. The reason is easily understood. At mealtime,
whatever fall to the floor belong to the Manes. Sweeping up the
floor, one thus offered the mola salsa for what was to be removed.
When performing such a ritual sweeping of the house, the dust is not
to be swept out a door, but rather picked up and carried outside,
where it would have been buried in a suitable place for the Manes. A
wreath was hung over the hearth each Kalends, and later the same
would have been done at the lararium. In early Rome the hearth
served as the family lararium. The family Lar was offered the first
fruits of the month, whatever the season might be, and an image of
the Lar might be crowned with a wreath.

A wreath was also hung outside over the front door on the Kalends of
February, and most likely the front door was decorated anew every
Kalends. An offering was made to Juno as the Goddess who watched
over family relations. She was offered meal, oil, milk, and flowers
on the threshold or at a table outside the front door. That is, She
was being invited as a guest to visit the household. Originally this
rite may have been a monthly meal set out for the juno of the minor
goddess of the front door, such as Cardea, who was associated with
the minor god Janus of the front door. He should be thought of as
originally distinct from the celestial Janus, the God of good
beginnings who was celebrated on the Kalends of January with
offerings of ianuae cakes. However, over time little distinction was
made, and the shrine of Janus at the front of the house, near the
front door, probably received offerings for celestial Janus each
month in order that He may bring good beginnings for the days to
follow. He received offerings of incense, generally of bay leaves,
wine, and strue cakes. We do not have a recipe for strue cakes, as
we do of libum, but these were probably a simple unleavened bread
made with spelt flour, a pinch of salt, and water after the manner
that Cicero gives.

In the state religion, the pontifices were to gather each kalends in
the curia Calabria on the Capitoline Hill. They announced when the
Nonae would fall for that month, either on the fifth or the seventh,
by invoking Juno in this fashion, "Die te quinti kalo, Iuno Covella,"
or else as "Septimi die te kalo, Iuno Covella." (Varro L. L. 6.27)
On the Nonae themselves sacrifices were offered to Juno Covella and
to Janus by the Rex and Regina Sacrorum. Sacrifices would also have
been offered to Them on the Kalends, as They were invoked, and
although not mentioned for this occasion AFAIK, the Rex and Regina
Sacrorum probably performed the sacrifices on the Kalends as well.

November is unusual from other months in the Roman calendar in that
it has no major festivals. Instead it is the month of plowing and
sowing, Sementes triticariae et hordiariae (Varro Rerum Rustica
1.34). The one festival that does occur in November is the ludi
Plebii in honor of Jupiter. When a month is said to be sacred to one
deity or another generally there is a festival held for that deity on
the Ides of the month. In November a festival is held for Feronia on
the Ides, rather than for Diana. The connection will be explained
later in the month. In the first century of the common era the first
part of November saw the main festival of Isis at Rome come to its
conclusion with the Hilaria on the third, a day before what was by
then the beginning of the ludi Plebii. Otherwise in the calendar of
the Libera Res Publica no festivals were held between the Kalends and
Nonae of any month.


Thought of the day from Epictetus, Enchiridion 16

"When you see any one weeping for grief, either that his son has gone
abroad, or that he has suffered in his affairs, take care not to be
overcome by the apparent evil; but discriminate, and be ready to
say, 'What hurts this man is not this occurrence itself, – for
another man might not be hurt by it, – but the view he chooses to
take of it.' As far as conversation goes, however, do not disdain to
accommodate yourself to him, and if need be, to groan with him. Take
heed, however, not to groan inwardly too."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51985 From: Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: The Cohortes Urbanae
Salve,
Thank you for the information. I have ordered one and put the other on my wish list.

Vale

Ti. Horatius
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...> wrote:
>
> These two books contain some information on the organization,
> composition, leadership, and equipment of the Urban Cohorts. There
> is also a novel entitled A Flame in Rome (I believe) that has
> information on the urban cohorts.
>
> The Praetorian Guard (Elite) (Paperback) by Boris Rankov, Richard
> Hook Paperback: 64 pages. Publisher: Osprey Publishing (January 27,
> 1994) Language: English. ISBN-10: 1855323613. ISBN-13: 978-
> 1855323612
>
> The Roman Army, 31 BC-AD 337: A Sourcebook (Paperback) by Brian
> Campbell. ISBN-10: 0415071739. ISBN-13: 978-0415071734
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51986 From: Marcus Iulius Severus Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: UNREGISTERED CANDIDACIES...
Salvete omnes,

I don't see in our main web page the candidacies of Gaius Iulius Adventor for Diribitor, and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus for Rogator. Both were presented before the deadline set by Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus...

Valete,

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 51987 From: Maior Date: 2007-10-31
Subject: Re: Plebeian meetings and auspices
M. Hortensia M. Curiatio G. Fabio Gn. Equitioque spd;

wonderful topic!, the auspices. An area where Roman politics and
religion are inseparable.

Here is a quote from the Finnish Classicist Jyri Vaahtera's
work "Roman Augural Lore in Greek Historiagraphy."

"Since the plebeian magistrates originally lacked the right to
consult impetrative auspices ...ie. the spectio [the right to take
the auspices], the concilia plebis met inauspicato."

in "Relgion and Law"
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_the_cultus_deorum

The auspicia publica were a patrician tradition, Vaahtera points out
since the tribunes met inauspicatio the patricians could not use
obnunatio [annoucement of an adverse omen] to block the plebeian
plebicites.

So it is this kind of explanation that helps us to understand why we
plebeians met & do meet inauspicato [without taking auspices]!

bene valete in pacem deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior
candidate for Censor
election page: http://tinyurl.com/ysu21v

.'

> It was good of you to explain that it was unnecessary, and I
> appreciate you wanting to promote piety. But at least by my
> understanding of the religious strictures with respect to the
> plebeians, I think it was ill-advised. From the lack of bad
auspicia,
> I take it the gods understand, or at least don't strongly object.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>