--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia M. Curiatio G. Fabio Gn. Equitioque spd;
>
> wonderful topic!, the auspices. An area where Roman politics
and
> religion are inseparable.
>
> Here is a quote from the Finnish Classicist Jyri Vaahtera's
> work "Roman Augural Lore in Greek Historiagraphy."
>
> "Since the plebeian magistrates originally lacked the right to
> consult impetrative auspices ...ie. the spectio [the right to take
> the auspices], the concilia plebis met inauspicato."
>
> in "Relgion and Law"
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_the_cultus_deorum
>
> The auspicia publica were a patrician tradition, Vaahtera points
out
> since the tribunes met inauspicatio the patricians could not use
> obnunatio [annoucement of an adverse omen] to block the plebeian
> plebicites.
>
> So it is this kind of explanation that helps us to understand why
we
> plebeians met & do meet inauspicato [without taking auspices]!
>
> bene valete in pacem deorum
> Marca Hortensia Maior
> candidate for Censor
> election page: http://tinyurl.com/ysu21v
>
> .'
>
> > It was good of you to explain that it was unnecessary, and I
> > appreciate you wanting to promote piety. But at least by my
> > understanding of the religious strictures with respect to the
> > plebeians, I think it was ill-advised. From the lack of bad
> auspicia,
> > I take it the gods understand, or at least don't strongly object.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
> >
>

>From: Marcus Iulius Severus <marcusiuliusseverus@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova Roma <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] UNREGISTERED CANDIDACIES...
>Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:36:05 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Salvete omnes,
>
>I don't see in our main web page the candidacies of Gaius Iulius Adventor
>for Diribitor, and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus for Rogator. Both were presented
>before the deadline set by Consul Tiberius Galerius Paulinus...
>
>Valete,
>
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On 11/1/07, marcushoratius <mhoratius@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> The Nova Roma Constitution likewise provides that there ought to be
> five Augures drawn from among the Plebeians, and only four from the
> Patricians. But the Collegium has rejected qualified applicants in
> the past, most recently Flamen Galerius Aurelianus, and so we have
> only two Augures both of who happen to be Patricians. By right we
> should have Plebeian Augures to perform the same duties as the
> Patricians Augures, especially when called upon to assist our
> Plebeian officers.
>
> Valete optime
> M Moravius Piscinus
>


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On 11/1/07, Q. Caecilius Metellus <postumianus@...> wrote:
>
> Q. Caecilius Metellus salutem dicit.
>
> I certainly agree with you, M. Hortensia candidata, that this is quite a
> wonderful topic to see in the Forum. There are, surely, a variety of
> opinions, both from recognised scholars and from not so recognised
> scholars,
> on the very topic of augury and the auspices, as Dr. Linderski expounds in
> "The Augural Law".
>
> One of the opinions I've seen (and please forgive that I can't credit the
> source, as I simply can't remember it exactly), is that the ius augurale
> (and, by extension, the ius auspicandi) belonged *originally* to the
> patrician order alone. What primary evidence was given for that assertion
> escapes me, but it would not seem to me horribly improbable, given the
> need
> for the coveted Lex Ogulnia. Another is that the augural science did
> belong
> solely and specifically to the patricians; the refutation given by M.
> Morauius earlier rather well stands against this.
>
> In all this, there is one thing which I have not seen disputed; this very
> same fact I have not ever seen contradicted in any of my readings, however
> limited that may be. This is the fact that the Concilium plebis
> (Antiquitatis) could meet inauspicato, and, so it would seem, did just
> that
> (as would have been required of it, at least until the Lex Ogulnia, since
> plebeian augurs were in want). [To start a tangent, this very fact may
> lead
> to an explanation of why the Concilium plebis was strictly a concilium
> rather than a comitia, aside from its lack of comprising the entire
> people;
> but that lack could explain why the auspices were unnecessary as well. We
> may have to expound on that later, though.]
>
> At any rate, the historical fact that the auspices *could* be taken for
> the
> Concilium plebis, and, in fact, were, ought to require an amendment to the
> Decretum de Iure Auspicandi, though it seems to me that if the auspices
> were
> to be taken for our Comitia Plebis Tributa (which is, in itself, not a
> comitia properly), they ought to be done strictly by a plebeian holder of
> the ius auspicandi.
>


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> Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus was held in such esteem for his piety as
> a young man that upon the day he donned the toga virilis he was also
> adlected into the Collegium Augurium.

> In that he also followed his
> father, twice consul and censor, as well as Augur Ti Sempronius
> Gracchus. Later, when he was Tribuns Plebis, we are told that he
> took the auspicia before assembling the Comitia Plebis Tributa.

> "Ti. Gracchus...auspicia domi prima luce petit;" "he sought auspices at
> his home at dawn." ~ Val. Max. 1.4.2 Paris.

> The Plebeians did take the auspices, and long before Gracchus.

> There was not a requirement to take the auspicia before calling the
> Concilium Plebis

> or the Comitia Plebis Tributa,

> but it was done nonetheless, by the Tribuni Plebis themselves,

> The Nova Roma Constitution likewise provides that there ought to be
> five Augures drawn from among the Plebeians, and only four from the
> Patricians. But the Collegium has rejected qualified applicants in
> the past, most recently Flamen Galerius Aurelianus, and so we have
> only two Augures both of who happen to be Patricians.

> By right we
> should have Plebeian Augures to perform the same duties as the
> Patricians Augures,

> especially when called upon to assist our Plebeian officers.

On 11/1/07, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
>
> > especially when called upon to assist our Plebeian officers.
>
> Not only the uniquely plebeian offices of Plebeian Tribune and
> Plebeian Aedile, but also -- and far more importantly -- any plebeians
> who are elected praetor or consul.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>


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> And maybe at NR events we can have "Patrician" drinking fountains and
> bathrooms and "Plebeian" ones too!

> Lex Moravia de suffragiis in comitiis plebis tributis et ratione
> comitiorum plebis tributorum: Before calling the Comitia Plebis
> Tributa to order, the presiding magistrate shall request of the
> Collegium Augurum that the auspices be taken to ensure that the
> contio and voting dates are auspicious.

On 11/1/07, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Perhaps it would be better to abolish the separate orders. If that's
> what you think then say so. But for now we have them and it serves
> nobody any good to be making snarky remarks.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>


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>
> Salve Marce Horati, et salvete omnes,
>
> > Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus was held in such esteem for his

> > a young man that upon the day he donned the toga virilis he was

> > adlected into the Collegium Augurium.
>
> Yes, at a time in the late republic when plebeian augurs existed.

> also didn't hurt that his mother was a Cornelia.
>

> > In that he also followed his
> > father, twice consul and censor, as well as Augur Ti Sempronius
> > Gracchus. Later, when he was Tribuns Plebis, we are told that he
> > took the auspicia before assembling the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
>
> I'm sure you mean the Concilium Plebis. "Comitia Plebis Tributa"

> Nova Roman invention. There never was such a thing in antiquity.
>

> > but it was done nonetheless, by the Tribuni Plebis themselves,
>
> I don't think you'll find any historical evidence for this. The
> Plebeian Tribunes may have asked auspicia privata before beginning
> their public business each day, but they did not possess the ius
> auspicia and thus could not ask auspicia publica. Only

> with imperium (consuls and praetors) could do that.
>

> [...]
> > The Nova Roma Constitution likewise provides that there ought to

> > five Augures drawn from among the Plebeians, and only four from

> > Patricians. But the Collegium has rejected qualified applicants

> > the past, most recently Flamen Galerius Aurelianus, and so we have
> > only two Augures both of who happen to be Patricians.
>
> I agree that this is a major problem, but it's not something you or

> can solve. The Collegium Pontificum have made quite sure that

> are the sole arbiters of anything touching on religious matters.
>

> > By right we
> > should have Plebeian Augures to perform the same duties as the
> > Patricians Augures,
>
> We should, yes.
>
> > especially when called upon to assist our Plebeian officers.
>
> Not only the uniquely plebeian offices of Plebeian Tribune and
> Plebeian Aedile, but also -- and far more importantly -- any

> who are elected praetor or consul.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

> CENSOR (1 opening)
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Citizenship: 21 January 2002
> Election page http://tinyurl.com/2c39fx

> Marca Hortensia Maior
> Date of Citizenship: 20 May 2003
> Election page: http://tinyurl.com/ysu21v
>
> CONSUL (2 openings)
>
> Gaius Equitius Cato
> Date of Citizenship 17 March 2004
> Election page: none
>
> Titus Iulius Sabinus
> Date of Citizenship: 18 October 2004
> Election page:http://tinyurl.com/2hjobw

>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
> Date of Citizenship1 Jun 2000
> Election page:http://tinyurl.com/27qydo

>
> ********************************************
>
> PRAETOR (2 openings)
>
> Marcus Curiatius Complutensis
> Date of Citizenship: 7 July 2003
> http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=6159
>
>
> Marcus Iulius Severus
> Date of Citizenship: 16 March 2005
> http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=8632
>
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>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Titus Arminius Genialis" <tagenialis@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: RES: [Nova-Roma] Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR


> Salvete Cai Armini Reccanelle Lucique Fideli Lusitane
>
> Thank you, my friends, for your support. I hope a lot of people are
> joining
> you.
>
> Valete bene
>
> TAGenialis
> Candidate for Quaestor 2761
> tagenialis@...
>
>
>> -----Mensagem original-----
>> De: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] Em nome de Bruno Cantermi
>> Enviada em: quarta-feira, 31 de outubro de 2007 17:17
>> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>> Assunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR
>>
>> Titus, my friend, you can count with my support.
>>
>> Vale Optime Bene,
>>
>> Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Titus Arminius Genialis
>> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com ;
>> novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com ; spqr753@... ;
>> nrbrasil@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:58 AM
>> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Declaration of candidacy for QUAESTOR
>>
>>
>> Titus Arminius Genialis Consuli Tiberio Galerio Paulino
>> Civibusque SPD
>>
>> I humbly come to your presence wearing the toga candida to
>> announce my
>> candidacy for the Quaetorship in 2761.
>>
>> I come from Provincia Brasilia, where I'm in the fourth year of my
>> undergraduate studies for being a physician. I am 21 years
>> old, and I wish
>> to start my cursus honorum. Since my childhood, I have always been
>> interested in Ancient Rome, and Nova Roma is a unique
>> opportunity for
>> celebrating its amazing, rich culture. By working directly
>> in the government
>> of our Res Publica, I can try to help on the development of
>> our projects, so
>> that we will be able to achieve the Roman values, make them
>> respected and
>> bring them to our daily life, following the good examples
>> the Romans left us
>> during centuries.
>>
>> A few weeks before joining Nova Roma in 2002, I had already
>> started to work
>> as assistant of the interpreter for Portuguese. In my early
>> citizenship, I
>> also served twice as Scriba Propraetoris (including once as
>> Retiarius),
>> twice as Provincial Legate for Foreign Affairs, Scribe of
>> Curator Differum
>> Ti. Galerius Paulinus, Scribe of Plebeian Aedile, and
>> Accensus Junior of
>> Consul K Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.
>>
>> All this previous profile has taught me a little about how
>> people act and
>> react, a little more about the difference between void
>> politics and real
>> government and, the most important, a lot about how to
>> solve problems and
>> make things work out. I sincerely believe in Nova Roma and
>> in a successful
>> future for our community. And I want to take part of this
>> hard work, so that
>> we can share ideas, experiences and expectations. This is
>> team work, and
>> this is what is going to keep us as legitimate heirs of
>> Roma Antiqua. Our
>> independence and sovereignty depends solely on good
>> projects and on working
>> people who put these projects on the way.
>>
>> Currently, I am Interpreter for Portuguese, Scriba Censoris
>> and Legatus Pro
>> Praetore in my Province.
>>
>> Now I offer you my candidacy for Quaestor, as a small step
>> towards achieving
>> these purposes. And I ask your vote, so that we can take
>> this step together.
>>
>> Valete optime bene.
>>
>> TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
>> Candidate for Quaestor 2761
>>
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> P.S: I would like to be assigned to a roman tribe. which one do you think
> I'm able to belong?

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 5:01 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Tribal assignment


Salve Luci Fideli,

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> P.S: I would like to be assigned to a roman tribe. which one do you think
> I'm able to belong?

Tribal assignment in Nova Roma is done by a computer program which
assigns you to either a rural or urban tribe based on these rules:

a. Are you a taxpayer?

b. Did you vote in the last general election?

If the answer to both questions is yes, you'll be assigned to a rural
tribe by an algorithm which keeps the sizes of the 31 rural tribes
reasonably even. If the answer to either question is no, you'll be
assigned to one of the four urban tribes. Whether assigned to urban
or rural tribe, the choice of specific tribe is not available to the
citizen. It's determined by the censorial software.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS




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>
> The Lex Moravia de suffragiis in comitiis plebis tributies et

> comitiorum plebis tributorum? Was that lex confirmed by a

> seem to find out where it is listed as such.
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
>
>
>
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>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> I think the most we can say, is that such a practice is 'overkill'.
>
> But that's my humble Patrician opinion.
>
> Valete
> Pompeia
>
>
>

> > I think the most we can say, is that such a practice is 'overkill'.
> >
> > But that's my humble Patrician opinion.
> >
> > Valete
> > Pompeia
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus M. Moravius Piscinus sal.
>
> That is essentially true. I did submit my application for Augur
to the CP
> and was not voted to receive that office. Astur Pontifex pointed
out a lack
> of experience on my part and I have endeavored to correct that
since taking
> the auspices for the Templum Neptunis Pater on the Neptunalia
2759. I have
> taken on auspices on a number of occasions since then using the
traditional
> formulae. Perhaps I will submit my application again at some time
in the future.
>
> Vale.
>
>
>
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>
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>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete;
> apologies for the empty post.
> What would we do if someone pronouces said 'obnunatio'? [I see an
> adverse omen]
> this happened in the Republic. So go with tradition &
> meet 'inauspicato.' Seeing bad omens was used a lot as a political
> ploy in the Republic to stop voting, a really fascinating topic.
Jerzy
> Lindersky, discusses this in his seminal monograph 'Augural Law'
> & 'Roman Questions.'
>
> I agree with Pompeia Minucia Strabo, consularis.
> Marca Hortensia Maior
> candidate for censor
> election page: http://tinyurl.com/ysu21v
>
>
>
> > > I think the most we can say, is that such a practice
is 'overkill'.
> > >
> > > But that's my humble Patrician opinion.
> > >
> > > Valete
> > > Pompeia
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

> well, when I became a full citizen, the taxes were due, and I need
> to know when are the next elections.

>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
> Some of you may not be aware but I was formerly known as Gaius

> Athanasius, but was adopted into the family of Caeso Fabius Buteo
> Quintilianus of which my name changed to Gaius Fabius Buteo

> I have recently discussed my praenomen with Caeso Fabius Buteo
> Quintilianus and he has given me his blessing to change to the more
> appropriate and historical Caeso. It is historically more

> take the praenomen, nomen, and cognomen of the person who adopts

> in this case Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus. I am honored to

> in his name and shall now be known as Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus.

>
> SALVE!
>
> Congratulations. With this decision you honored your adoptive

>
> VALE BENE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
> Candidate for consul:
> http://tinyurl.com/2hjobw
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
> <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
> >
> > Some of you may not be aware but I was formerly known as Gaius
> Modius
> > Athanasius, but was adopted into the family of Caeso Fabius Buteo
> > Quintilianus of which my name changed to Gaius Fabius Buteo
> Modianus.
> > I have recently discussed my praenomen with Caeso Fabius Buteo
> > Quintilianus and he has given me his blessing to change to the

> > appropriate and historical Caeso. It is historically more
> accurate to
> > take the praenomen, nomen, and cognomen of the person who adopts
> you,
> > in this case Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus. I am honored to
> share
> > in his name and shall now be known as Caeso Fabius Buteo

>

>Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
>
>Some of you may not be aware but I was formerly known as Gaius Modius
>Athanasius, but was adopted into the family of Caeso Fabius Buteo
>Quintilianus of which my name changed to Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus.
>I have recently discussed my praenomen with Caeso Fabius Buteo
>Quintilianus and he has given me his blessing to change to the more
>appropriate and historical Caeso. It is historically more accurate to
>take the praenomen, nomen, and cognomen of the person who adopts you,
>in this case Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus. I am honored to share
>in his name and shall now be known as Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus.
>
>Valete:
>
>Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Tribal assignment


Salve Luci Fideli,

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> well, when I became a full citizen, the taxes were due, and I need
> to know when are the next elections.

The next elections are almost upon us. Voting in the Comitia Plebis
Tributa will begin on 5 November. Voting in the Comitia Centuriata
and the Comitia Populi Tributa will begin on 8 November.

Sometime within the next few days Censor Octavius should run the
program that realigns the centuries and updates tribal assignments.
At that point you'll have a tribe and a century.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS




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> what is the meaning of a century?

> It is my fervent wish that Praetor Gaius Equitius Cato is well and

>
> Ex offico Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> Gaius Equitius Cato has failed to post an announcement of his

> the main list as my call for candidates requested. He did send me a

> the effect that he was standing for Consul and so I included him

> official list of candidates. Having repeatedly tried to reach him

> and email to ask if he was still a candidate and not having

> reply I am forced to strike his name from the ballot and to direct

> not be included in this election.
>
> It is my fervent wish that Praetor Gaius Equitius Cato is well and

> much occupied with macro world concerns and has not fallen ill or

> accident.
>
> Given by my hand a.d. IV Non. Nov MMDCCLX A.U.C. ( 2 November

> at 23:45 Roman time in the consulship of L. Arminius Faustus and

> Galerius Paulinus
>

>
> This day is like the dies Fasti or dies Comitales but it is a `dark'
> day (as are the days following any of the kalends, nones, or ides)

> which fire should not be lit and sacrifices should not be offered on
> altars. Temples should not celebrate public worship and public
> worship elsewhere is explicitly forbidden. Certain Gods, including
> Iuppiter and Ianus, may not be named. All caerimoniae are private

> without sacrifices. Making journeys, starting new projects

> marriage or partnerships), or doing anything risky should be avoided.
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> Flamen Cerialis
>

>
> SALVETE!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@>
> wrote:
>
> Having repeatedly tried to reach him by phone and not having

> any reply... >
> > It is my fervent wish that Praetor Gaius Equitius Cato is well

> just very much occupied with macro world concerns and has not

> ill or had an accident.>>>
>
> I hope from all my heart that all is ok with Cato.
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>

> Q. Caecilius Metellus salutem dicit.
>
> I certainly agree with you, M. Hortensia candidata, that this is

> wonderful topic to see in the Forum. There are, surely, a variety

> opinions, both from recognised scholars and from not so recognised

> on the very topic of augury and the auspices, as Dr. Linderski

> "The Augural Law".
>
> One of the opinions I've seen (and please forgive that I can't

> source, as I simply can't remember it exactly), is that the ius

> (and, by extension, the ius auspicandi) belonged *originally* to

> patrician order alone. What primary evidence was given for that

> escapes me, but it would not seem to me horribly improbable, given

> for the coveted Lex Ogulnia. Another is that the augural science

> solely and specifically to the patricians; the refutation given by

> Morauius earlier rather well stands against this.
>
> In all this, there is one thing which I have not seen disputed;

> same fact I have not ever seen contradicted in any of my readings,

> limited that may be. This is the fact that the Concilium plebis
> (Antiquitatis) could meet inauspicato, and, so it would seem, did

> (as would have been required of it, at least until the Lex

> plebeian augurs were in want). [To start a tangent, this very

> to an explanation of why the Concilium plebis was strictly a

> rather than a comitia, aside from its lack of comprising the

> but that lack could explain why the auspices were unnecessary as

> may have to expound on that later, though.]
>
> At any rate, the historical fact that the auspices *could* be

> Concilium plebis, and, in fact, were, ought to require an

> Decretum de Iure Auspicandi, though it seems to me that if the

> to be taken for our Comitia Plebis Tributa (which is, in itself,

> comitia properly), they ought to be done strictly by a plebeian

> the ius auspicandi.
>

> I have receved a note from Cato that states in part...
> Salvete amici,
> "There has been a great deal of turmoil in my vita privata and it
> looks like it will last some little while longer...
> ...I offer my sincerest apologies for not having responded sooner

> Respublica."
> Cato

>
> CAIVS.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS.TRIBVNVS.NOVAE.ROMAE.CIVIBUS.S.P.D
>
> Valete, brothers and sisters of Nova Roma! Iubilate with me, quirites!!
>
> I announce that today, at 09h06min (GMT -3), my son Caius Arminius
> Reccanellus Minor (Caio Meurer Reccanello, in fact) was born, with 51 cm and
> 3,750 kg!!!
>
> I must divide this happy new with you, my brothers and sisters!
>
> Vale & Valete
> C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
> ======================
> TRIBVNVS.PLEBIS.NOVAE.ROMAE
> "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
>

> I announce that today, at 09h06min (GMT -3), my son Caius Arminius
> Reccanellus Minor (Caio Meurer Reccanello, in fact) was born, with
> 51 cm and 3,750 kg!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Iubilate, felix Reccanellus!


CAIVS.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS.TRIBVNVS.NOVAE.ROMAE.CIVIBUS.S.P.D

Valete, brothers and sisters of Nova Roma! Iubilate with me, quirites!!

I announce that today, at 09h06min (GMT -3), my son Caius Arminius Reccanellus Minor (Caio Meurer Reccanello, in fact) was born, with 51 cm and 3,750 kg!!!

I must divide this happy new with you, my brothers and sisters!

Vale & Valete
C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
======================
TRIBVNVS.PLEBIS.NOVAE.ROMAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

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>CAIVS.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS.TRIBVNVS.NOVAE.ROMAE.CIVIBUS.S.P.D
>
>Valete, brothers and sisters of Nova Roma! Iubilate with me, quirites!!
>
>I announce that today, at 09h06min (GMT -3), my son Caius Arminius
>Reccanellus Minor (Caio Meurer Reccanello, in fact) was born, with
>51 cm and 3,750 kg!!!
>
>I must divide this happy new with you, my brothers and sisters!
>
>Vale & Valete
>C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
>======================
>TRIBVNVS.PLEBIS.NOVAE.ROMAE
>"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

>
> CAIVS.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS.TRIBVNVS.NOVAE.ROMAE.CIVIBUS.S.P.D
>
> Valete, brothers and sisters of Nova Roma! Iubilate with me,

>
> I announce that today, at 09h06min (GMT -3), my son Caius Arminius

>
> I must divide this happy new with you, my brothers and sisters!
>
> Vale & Valete
> C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
> ======================
> TRIBVNVS.PLEBIS.NOVAE.ROMAE
> "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> NR elections: Call for candidates
>
> L. Arminius Faustus, consul, to all roman people of the quirites,
>
>
> Ancient and modern scholars have extensivelly said that "Sucession"

> the key of the sucess of a Republican system.
>
> So, I call for candidates for the major elections of Nova Roma, for
> the magistrates of next year, the promising MMDCCLXI AUC.
>
> So I make this pre-call, so you, quirites, can start your political
> movements. The candidate send to NR Main List the candidature (eg,
> name and office) and a clever speech. To avoid losing the names,

> both consules. On the subject of the email, write: "Candidature

>
> NR needs next year two consules, one censor, two praetores, two
> curulis aediles, two custos, two diribitores, two rogatores. Am I
> forgetting something?
>
> I thank Iove Stator by all the blessings of this year, and all

> he gave to me on the hard times that had fallen personally upon me.
> Without his continuous blessings, I couldn´t endure anything.
>
> Thanks by your attention,
> L. Arminius Faustus CSL
>
>
> --
> Valete bene in pacem deorum,
> L. Arminius Faustus
>
> "Vigilando, agendo, bene consulendo, prospera omnia cedunt" -

>

On 11/3/07, Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@...> wrote:
>
> NR elections: Call for candidates
>
> L. Arminius Faustus, consul, to all roman people of the quirites,
>
> Ancient and modern scholars have extensivelly said that "Sucession" is
> the key of the sucess of a Republican system.
>
> So, I call for candidates for the major elections of Nova Roma, for
> the magistrates of next year, the promising MMDCCLXI AUC.
>
> So I make this pre-call, so you, quirites, can start your political
> movements. The candidate send to NR Main List the candidature (eg,
> name and office) and a clever speech. To avoid losing the names, copy
> both consules. On the subject of the email, write: "Candidature for ".
>
> NR needs next year two consules, one censor, two praetores, two
> curulis aediles, two custos, two diribitores, two rogatores. Am I
> forgetting something?
>
> I thank Iove Stator by all the blessings of this year, and all strengh
> he gave to me on the hard times that had fallen personally upon me.
> Without his continuous blessings, I couldn´t endure anything.
>
> Thanks by your attention,
> L. Arminius Faustus CSL
>
> --
> Valete bene in pacem deorum,
> L. Arminius Faustus
>
>
>
>


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>
> CAIVS.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS.TRIBVNVS.NOVAE.ROMAE.CIVIBUS.S.P.D
>
> Valete, brothers and sisters of Nova Roma! Iubilate with me,

>
> I announce that today, at 09h06min (GMT -3), my son Caius Arminius

>
> I must divide this happy new with you, my brothers and sisters!
>
> Vale & Valete
> C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
> ======================
> TRIBVNVS.PLEBIS.NOVAE.ROMAE
> "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

On 11/3/07, Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Caius Arminius Reccanellus MAJOR
>
> "my son Caius Arminius Reccanellus Minor (Caio Meurer Reccanello, in
> fact)"
>
> Congradulations on the birth of your son!!!
> Best wishes to you and your wife and all the best to
> Caius Arminius Reccanellus Minor a Consul of Nova Roma in say 2795 a.u.c.
> :
> )
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> .
>
>
>


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> "my son Caius Arminius Reccanellus Minor (Caio Meurer Reccanello,

> Congradulations on the birth of your son!!!
> Best wishes to you and your wife and all the best to
> Caius Arminius Reccanellus Minor a Consul of Nova Roma in say 2795

>NR elections: Call for candidates
>
>L. Arminius Faustus, consul, to all roman people of the quirites,
>
>
>Ancient and modern scholars have extensivelly said that "Sucession" is
>the key of the sucess of a Republican system.
>
>So, I call for candidates for the major elections of Nova Roma, for
>the magistrates of next year, the promising MMDCCLXI AUC.

>
> Congratulations! I am sure Caius Arminius Reccanellus Minor will

> You proud. Please send my best regards to the mother.
>
>
> >CAIVS.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS.TRIBVNVS.NOVAE.ROMAE.CIVIBUS.S.P.D
> >
> >Valete, brothers and sisters of Nova Roma! Iubilate with me,

> >
> >I announce that today, at 09h06min (GMT -3), my son Caius

> >Reccanellus Minor (Caio Meurer Reccanello, in fact) was born,

> >51 cm and 3,750 kg!!!
> >
> >I must divide this happy new with you, my brothers and sisters!
> >
> >Vale & Valete
> >C.ARMINIVS.RECCANELLVS
> >======================
> >TRIBVNVS.PLEBIS.NOVAE.ROMAE
> >"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
>
> Senator, Censorius et Consularis
> Accensus LAF, Scribae Censoris GFBM
> Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
> Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
>

>
> Salve Consul!
>
> I join those who ask where You have been and why You don't read the
> main list before You start calling for elections that have already
> been called for?
>
> I am afraid it is hard to defend You in this situation, even as an
> old friend. Please explain yourself!
>
> >NR elections: Call for candidates
> >
> >L. Arminius Faustus, consul, to all roman people of the quirites,
> >
> >
> >Ancient and modern scholars have extensivelly said

> >the key of the sucess of a Republican system.
> >
> >So, I call for candidates for the major elections of Nova Roma, for
> >the magistrates of next year, the promising MMDCCLXI AUC.
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
>
> Senator, Censorius et Consularis
> Accensus LAF, Scribae Censoris GFBM
> Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
> Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
>

> Lex Galeria de Rogatores
>
> The office of Rogator is abolish as an elected magistracy as of 1 January
> 2762 a.u.c,.
> The Censors may, if they choose, use the title Rogator to designate their
> chief assistant/s and in a manner of their choosing.

>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit
>
> Wouldn't that be an amazing event... a citizen by birth who grows

> become consul! That would be such a wonderful evolution of Nova

>
> Vale:
>
> Caeso Buteo
>
> On 11/3/07, Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Caius Arminius Reccanellus MAJOR
> >
> > "my son Caius Arminius Reccanellus Minor (Caio Meurer

> > fact)"
> >
> > Congradulations on the birth of your son!!!
> > Best wishes to you and your wife and all the best to
> > Caius Arminius Reccanellus Minor a Consul of Nova Roma in say

> > :
> > )
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> M. Hortensia Paulino Modiano spd:
> incredible, but don't forget little Marcus Curius
> Saturninus, son of Caius Curius Saturninus! He'll be 4 years old

> can be co-consul with Recanellus minor:)
> optissime valete
> Maior
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit
> >
> > Wouldn't that be an amazing event... a citizen by birth who grows
> up to
> > become consul! That would be such a wonderful evolution of Nova
> Roma!
> >
> > Vale:
> >
> > Caeso Buteo
> >
> > On 11/3/07, Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Caius Arminius Reccanellus MAJOR
> > >
> > > "my son Caius Arminius Reccanellus Minor (Caio Meurer
> Reccanello, in
> > > fact)"
> > >
> > > Congradulations on the birth of your son!!!
> > > Best wishes to you and your wife and all the best to
> > > Caius Arminius Reccanellus Minor a Consul of Nova Roma in say
> 2795 a.u.c.
> > > :
> > > )
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>