Salvete:

Agricola makes a very good point. It is important NOT to assume that
everyone, especially the webmaster, reads the Nova Roma main list and
the NR Announce list. A courtesy e-mail never hurts :)

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Nov 6, 2007 6:34 PM, M. Lucretius Agricola <wm_hogue@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete
>
> I think it would be great if the magistrate who calls an election
> would contact the webmaster directly prior to the election to see that
> the opening and closing has been scheduled. The opening and closing of
> the cista can be set to happen automatically. The people who do this
> job are as busy as anyone else. A simple e-mail a few days or even a
> week in advance would confirm that all is ready.
>
> optime valete
>
> Agricola

Salve Agricola,

"M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...> writes:

> Salvete
>
> I think it would be great if the magistrate who calls an election
> would contact the webmaster directly prior to the election to see that
> the opening and closing has been scheduled.

Do you mean to say it wasn't?

I obviously don't know whether it was this time or not, but I do know
that during my own consulship I made many efforts to insure that
elections would go smoothly. It does take a fair amount of
coordination among many people.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

SALVETE!

These are exactly some things I want to resolve if elected consul. People who worked with me know I'm very attentive to details.
It's good choice as magistrates to keep in touch to avoid these problems. It's polite to help each over as time as we have a common interest: to preserve, to correct and to move on.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Candidate for consul:

http://tinyurl.com.au/x.php?abe

"M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...> wrote:

Salvete

I think it would be great if the magistrate who calls an election
would contact the webmaster directly prior to the election to see that
the opening and closing has been scheduled. The opening and closing of
the cista can be set to happen automatically. The people who do this
job are as busy as anyone else. A simple e-mail a few days or even a
week in advance would confirm that all is ready.

optime valete

Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus T. Flavio Aquilae salutem dicit
>
> If we had a plebeian magistrate who was capable of doing the necessary
> web/technical work needed to establish the cista then I think that
> would be a great idea.
>
> Vale:
>
> Caeso Buteo
>
> On Nov 6, 2007 8:51 AM, titus.aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
> >
> > T.Flavius Aquila Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano salutem plurimam dicit
> >
> > Plurimas gratias tibi ago !
> >
> > I understand that we are an international community, widespread, but
> > still it should be possible to start elections in time.
> >
> > Maybe the Tribunus Plebis will need to take over this function in the
> > near future to start elections for the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
> >
> > It is a shame to keep the citizens waiting, to cast their votes for
> > the Plebeian offices.
> >
> > Vale optime
> >
> >
> > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > Scriba Censoris GFBM
> > Tribunus Plebis Candidatus
>

"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius




__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve Agricola,
>
> "M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...> writes:
>
> > Salvete
> >
> > I think it would be great if the magistrate who calls an election
> > would contact the webmaster directly prior to the election to see that
> > the opening and closing has been scheduled.
>
> Do you mean to say it wasn't?

[SNIP]

Agricola Marino Sal,

Oh no, I have no idea about that. I was responding to the post that
said "If we had a plebeian magistrate who was capable of doing the
necessary web/technical work needed to establish the cista then I
think that would be a great idea."

I thought that I had left that message intact in my reply. I'm very
sorry if I deleted it and left my message without context. The only
thing that I meant to imply is that it might not be possible to find a
plebeian magistrate every year with the needed skills, and that if we
do have such a person the same situation could happen again anyway.
The important point is that the magistrate who calls the election
could contact the webmaster ahead of time so that if there seems to be
a doubt some appropriate action could be taken. I really have no idea
what happened this time and I am very sorry if I seemed to imply that
I did.

Optime vale

---Salve Agricola et Salvete Omnes:

Actually, when I called any comitia I would crosscopy the webmaster,
my colleague, the tribunes, and atleast one of the election staff so
they would be advised of my intentions. And I would make any
necessary communication to ensure that all systems were go from there.

To me it just makes sense, as we all have lives outside NR and busy
ones at that. This takes us away from being up to date on NR list
mails.

As Custos I dropped a mail to Octavius a couple of days ago to see if
I could help/ provide info for this cista, but he could well have
been off line for a couple of days and so didn't answer me, and if he
didn't get any initial notice of a comitia call, he wouldn't be
expecting to have to open a cista.

I'm not saying this to get a gold star :>), but in agreement that
simple communication is the key.

Valete

Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola" <wm_hogue@...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete
>
> I think it would be great if the magistrate who calls an election
> would contact the webmaster directly prior to the election to see

that

> the opening and closing has been scheduled. The opening and closing

of

> the cista can be set to happen automatically. The people who do this
> job are as busy as anyone else. A simple e-mail a few days or even a
> week in advance would confirm that all is ready.
>
> optime valete
>
> Agricola
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
> <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus T. Flavio Aquilae salutem dicit
> >
> > If we had a plebeian magistrate who was capable of doing the

necessary

> > web/technical work needed to establish the cista then I think that
> > would be a great idea.
> >
> > Vale:
> >
> > Caeso Buteo
> >
> > On Nov 6, 2007 8:51 AM, titus.aquila <titus.aquila@> wrote:
> > >
> > > T.Flavius Aquila Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Modiano salutem

plurimam dicit

> > >
> > > Plurimas gratias tibi ago !
> > >
> > > I understand that we are an international community,

widespread, but

> > > still it should be possible to start elections in time.
> > >
> > > Maybe the Tribunus Plebis will need to take over this function

in the

> > > near future to start elections for the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
> > >
> > > It is a shame to keep the citizens waiting, to cast their

votes for

> > > the Plebeian offices.
> > >
> > > Vale optime
> > >
> > >
> > > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > > Scriba Censoris GFBM
> > > Tribunus Plebis Candidatus
> >
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tito Iulio Sabino salutem dicit

This was one of the reasons I, as consul last year, created an e-mail
list for the magistrates of Nova Roma. So the magistrates would
communicate between each other and a record established of said
communication. Communication, and working together should be the norm
in Nova Roma -- but often it seems to be the exception. Hopefully, a
culture can be created to help facilitate a positive change.

Vale:

Caeso Buteo

On Nov 6, 2007 6:56 PM, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
>
> SALVETE!
>
> These are exactly some things I want to resolve if elected consul. People
> who worked with me know I'm very attentive to details.
> It's good choice as magistrates to keep in touch to avoid these problems.
> It's polite to help each over as time as we have a common interest: to
> preserve, to correct and to move on.
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS

SALVE ET SALVETE!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

> This was one of the reasons I, as consul last year, created an e-

mail list for the magistrates of Nova Roma.>>>

I know. As curule aedile I was member and the list works. If
magistrates really want to collaborate, this list, without doubts, was
and still can be useful.

VALE ET VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Salve Pompeia;
now, for sure you're getting a gold star for that!
Marca Hortensia Maior
candidate for Censor
http://tinyurl.com/ysu2lv


As Custos I dropped a mail to Octavius a couple of days ago to see if

> I could help/ provide info for this cista, but he could well have
> been off line for a couple of days and so didn't answer me, and if

he

> didn't get any initial notice of a comitia call, he wouldn't be
> expecting to have to open a cista.
>
> I'm not saying this to get a gold star :>), but in agreement that
> simple communication is the key.
>
> Valete
>
> Pompeia
>
>

EX OFFICIO LEGATUS PRO PRAETORE DACIA:

EDICTUM LEGATUS PRO PRAETORE VII - ABOUT PROVINCIAL ADMINISTRATION
APPOINTMENT.

Gaius Petronius Priscus is hereby appointed as scriba legatus pro
praetore.

This edict is effective imediately.

Hoc edictum statim valet.

Given under my hand this 7th day of November, 2760 a.U.c (7 November
2007).

Datum sub manu mea ante diem VII Id. Nov. MMDCCLX a.U.c,Lucio
Arminio Faustis et Tiberio Galerio Paulinis Consulibus.

T. Iulius Sabinus
Legatus Pro Praetore Dacia - Caput Trium Daciarum.

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Di vos servavissent semper

Hodie est ante diem VII Eidus Novembris; haec dies comitialis est:


AUC 977 / 224 CE: Annals of the Fratres Arvales: Propitiatory Rites
After a Storm

"VII IDUS NOV the Fratres Arvales assembled in the Grove of the Dea
Dia on the Via Campana, at the fifth milestone, on the instruction of
magister Caius Porcius Priscus, and there they made sacrifice because
in a violent storm some trees in the sacred grove of Dea Dia were
struck by lightning and burnt; and in expiation for the uprooting of
those trees, striking them with iron and consuming them in fire, for
grinding down their remains and then for replacing them with others,
and for initiating the work and rebuilding altars for the occasion,
sacred to Dea Dia. In expiation for these things a purification
sacrifice was carried out with an offering of a suovetaurilia [mature
boar, ram, and bull]. Then in front of the temple cows, with their
horns bound in gold, were sacrificed to the Dea Dia, a total of two;
then at the altars built for the occasion sacrifices were made to the
Gods as listed: to Janus Pater two rams; to Jupiter two castrated
rams; to Mars Pater Ultor two rams; to the deity, male or female, two
castrated rams; to the juno of Dea Dia two sheep; to the Virgines
divae two sheep; to the Famuli divi two castrated rams; to the Lares
two sheep; to Fons two castrated rams; to Flora two sheep; to
Summanus Pater two black castrated rams; to Vesta MaterÂ…of the Gods
and Goddesses two sheep; likewise to Adolenda and Coinquenda two
sheep; and, before the Caesareum, to the genius of our lord, the
emperor Severus Alexander, a bull with gilded horns; likewise to the
twenty divi twenty castrated rams." ~ CIL 6, 2107, lines 2-13; ILS
5048

The offering to Summanus would indicate that the storm had come at
night. The reference to a deity, "male of female," is to the genius
loci of this sanctuary. Coinquenda is an indigitamentum for the
felling of trees and Adolenda for the burning of the trees. These
are indigitamenta for the clearing of a grove, and probably of the
genius loci. The Fratres Arvales were an imperial invention (See R.
Syme, (1980) Some Arval Brethren, Oxford p. 106 n.12 for K. Latte's
recognition of these as antiquarian reconstructions. See G. Dumezil,
trans. P. Krapp, Archaic Roman Religion, Chicago, 1970; Vol. I, Pp.
34-38 comparing indigitamenta with imperial apparitores). The
cultus that it conducted was solely for the health and welfare of the
emperor and his family. This is reflected above in some of the other
divinities which are mentioned, the Virgines divae and Famuli divi.
As well as genius of the emperor in front of the Caesareum. This
collegium did not perform ambularia, or bless the fields, or do any
of the rites that are erroneously associated with them on account of
their name. Such rites that were related to agriculture were
conducted by a special class of priests called Semones. These were
found at certain other Latin cities, but not at Rome. The only
reference to "brothers of the fields" that date to the Republic is
found in Varro where he is specifically referring to Romulus and
Remus rather than to a priesthood. None the less the records of the
Fratres Arvales offer important insights into Roman ritual because,
being invented by Roman antiquarians, they contain some of the very
oldest prayers, such as the so-called Carmen Fratrum Arvalum, and
details of ritual procedures that are otherwise not reported.


The thought for today is from Epictetus, Enchiridion 20

"Remember that it is not he who gives abuse or blows who affronts;
but the view we take of these things as insulting. When, therefore,
any one provokes you, be assured that it is your own opinion which
provokes you. Try, therefore, in the first place, not to be
bewildered by appearances. For if you once gain time and respite, you
will more easily command yourself."

Salvete Nova Romans

In accordance with my call for the Comitia Centuriata I stated that
during the Contio the Diribitores needed to select and announce the
Centuria Praerogativa.

I call on the Diribitores to announce the Centuria Praerogativa
before the end of the Contio which ends at
5:59 PM, Roma time, on 8 November 2760 a.u.c

Also as a reminder in my call for the Comitia Populi Tributa
the Tribe VI: Corneliain was named as the presidium
(the first tribe to be counted)..


Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul

Salve Marca Hortensia

Well, no, not really. Auspicia could be taken by anyone, including
augures, anywhere and on any question. As the article in Smith
mentions, Cicero distinguished the person who sat observing the signs
as the Auspex who takes the auspicium and the Augur assisted with
interpreting those signs. The Augures were present in public
auspicium more to see that the rite was performed correctly than to
interpret signs.

An augurium had to be performed by the highest magistrate, it had to
be performed inside the poemerium, at one of two sites - the
augurculum on the Arx or the augurculum on the Quirinal Hill - and it
had to pertain to certain questions related to the welbeing of the
State.

There was a special situation in which augures were called upon to
perform an auspicium. Whenever lightning struck the earth, all that
it struck, including the soil, had to be buried in a special rite and
a shrine erected over it called a puteol. The Augur used the auspices
on this occasion to determine the boundaries of the templum in which
the puteol was constructed. These were not necessarily the public
Augures, and likely they were not. We are told that every family kept
their own books on augury, what signs each family used as auspices
could vary, and more often than not the augur would be a family member
who had studied the family's tradition. But apparently there were
other private augures who could be hired when needed.

No matter who performed an auspicium, or where, first a terrestrial
templum had to be marked out, and then the celestial templum in which
to observe the auspices was erected. Erecting the celestial temple is
what characterized an auspicium.

The augurcula were established places to conduct an augurium. We know
from a couple other sites, one being at Bazia, that these had marked
stations. Each station was dedicated to a different deity. Altars
were probably erected at each, and sacrifices performed to the various
deities who were invoked to witness the rite and send auspices. At
the center was the seat of Silvanus, where the Auspex sat inside the
tabernaculum. He would perform the rites in a rigid manner, watched
over and perhaps assisted by the Augures. It was very stylized,
ritualized, and carefully choreographed. Others in the augurculum had
to remain standing outside the tabernaculum. These would include the
tibicen, augures, possibly camilli or others who assisted the Auspex
when performing the sacrifices prior to seating himself to take the
auspices.

While more formalized, and the instances of its use more limited, an
augurium was essentially interchangeable with an auspicium in what was
performed during each.

Vale optime et vade in pace Deorum
M Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> -M. Hortensia Gaiae Octaviae spd:
> I'd intended to work on an article for the NRwiki, it's such a
> big, big topic!
> Magistrates and cives take auspices; augurs perform an
> augury.
> vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>
>

A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

As legally required, I posted my candidacy for the quaestura to a public
Nova Roman forum and to the presiding officer, Consul Paulinus, some time
ago. I am now repeating that statement here in this wider forum.

There is a dearth of candidates, especially for our lower offices, and
in recent years it is not unheard-of for long time citizens, even
magistrates, to seek lower office after a higher one. For the good of the
Res Publica I have offered myself as a candidate for this position. If
elected, I will serve faithfully and fairly to the best of my ability, as I
have in the past. I am currently serving as praetrix and senatrix, was
rogatrix last year, have served as consular accensa, praetorian scriba (two
terms), censorial scriba (almost three years), and curule aedilician scriba
(current and last year). In addition, I am rogatorial scriba, Latin
interpreter, and praeceptrix of Latin at the Academia Thules.

Valete.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Triari,

>If a citizen is that afraid of his name, address and phone number
>being given to the elected heads of an organization, then...I say
>again, maybe they should think about why they were not afraid to fill
>out the citizenship application?

Perhaps because, like myself, the citizen read the current law and assumed his/her information was safely in the hands of the censors?

Vale optime,
Artoria

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tito Iulio Sabino salutem dicit

Some do not think a list for magistrates is useful, and claim it is
even "un-Roman." I saw it useful because the magistrates of Nova
Roma, along with the senate, are the leaders of this organization and
it is in the best interest of Nova Roma is the magistrates get along
and communicate. If that is un-Roman then perhaps philosopher Thomas
Hobbes was right and we [i.e., humanity] are in a state of "war of all
against all." I don't like Hobbes, and I don't agree with his
philosophy. I think it is beneficial for magistrates to communicate
and work together to drive Nova Roma forward.

Vale;

Caeso Buteo

On Nov 6, 2007 7:47 PM, Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

> SALVE ET SALVETE!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
> <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> > This was one of the reasons I, as consul last year, created an e-
> mail list for the magistrates of Nova Roma.>>>
>
> I know. As curule aedile I was member and the list works. If
> magistrates really want to collaborate, this list, without doubts, was
> and still can be useful.
>
> VALE ET VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS

What an auspicious day to be in Tribe VI!! To think... I used to
think I never won anything!

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Nov 6, 2007 11:23 PM, Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Nova Romans
>
> In accordance with my call for the Comitia Centuriata I stated that
> during the Contio the Diribitores needed to select and announce the
> Centuria Praerogativa.
>
> I call on the Diribitores to announce the Centuria Praerogativa
> before the end of the Contio which ends at
> 5:59 PM, Roma time, on 8 November 2760 a.u.c
>
> Also as a reminder in my call for the Comitia Populi Tributa
> the Tribe VI: Corneliain was named as the presidium
> (the first tribe to be counted)..
>
> Valete
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Consul

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit

To the best of my knowledge you were never inducted into the senate as
a senatrix. You are in the senate as a praetor, but are not
technically a member of the senate. You vote in the senate per Lex
Popillia senatoria, but are not an official member of the senate.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
Censor

On Nov 6, 2007 10:46 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> As legally required, I posted my candidacy for the quaestura to a public
> Nova Roman forum and to the presiding officer, Consul Paulinus, some time
> ago. I am now repeating that statement here in this wider forum.
>
> There is a dearth of candidates, especially for our lower offices, and
> in recent years it is not unheard-of for long time citizens, even
> magistrates, to seek lower office after a higher one. For the good of the
> Res Publica I have offered myself as a candidate for this position. If
> elected, I will serve faithfully and fairly to the best of my ability, as I
> have in the past. I am currently serving as praetrix and senatrix, was
> rogatrix last year, have served as consular accensa, praetorian scriba (two
> terms), censorial scriba (almost three years), and curule aedilician scriba
> (current and last year). In addition, I am rogatorial scriba, Latin
> interpreter, and praeceptrix of Latin at the Academia Thules.
>
> Valete.

Salve sis Marce Horati;
ugh I should never talk about augury & auspices off the top of
my head.It's always a mistake. Apologies. I've got to make a copy
of 'The Augural Law'.
But now there was a prodigy today..do we only regard them if in
Rome?
Maior

>
> Well, no, not really. Auspicia could be taken by anyone,

including

> augures, anywhere and on any question. As the article in Smith
> mentions, Cicero distinguished the person who sat observing the

signs

> as the Auspex who takes the auspicium and the Augur assisted with
> interpreting those signs. The Augures were present in public
> auspicium more to see that the rite was performed correctly than

to

> interpret signs.
>
> An augurium had to be performed by the highest magistrate, it had

to

> be performed inside the poemerium, at one of two sites - the
> augurculum on the Arx or the augurculum on the Quirinal Hill - and

it

> had to pertain to certain questions related to the welbeing of the
> State.
>
> There was a special situation in which augures were called upon to
> perform an auspicium. Whenever lightning struck the earth, all

that

> it struck, including the soil, had to be buried in a special rite

and

> a shrine erected over it called a puteol. The Augur used the

auspices

> on this occasion to determine the boundaries of the templum in

which

> the puteol was constructed. These were not necessarily the public
> Augures, and likely they were not. We are told that every family

kept

> their own books on augury, what signs each family used as auspices
> could vary, and more often than not the augur would be a family

member

> who had studied the family's tradition. But apparently there were
> other private augures who could be hired when needed.
>
> No matter who performed an auspicium, or where, first a

terrestrial

> templum had to be marked out, and then the celestial templum in

which

> to observe the auspices was erected. Erecting the celestial

temple is

> what characterized an auspicium.
>
> The augurcula were established places to conduct an augurium. We

know

> from a couple other sites, one being at Bazia, that these had

marked

> stations. Each station was dedicated to a different deity.

Altars

> were probably erected at each, and sacrifices performed to the

various

> deities who were invoked to witness the rite and send auspices.

At

> the center was the seat of Silvanus, where the Auspex sat inside

the

> tabernaculum. He would perform the rites in a rigid manner,

watched

> over and perhaps assisted by the Augures. It was very stylized,
> ritualized, and carefully choreographed. Others in the augurculum

had

> to remain standing outside the tabernaculum. These would include

the

> tibicen, augures, possibly camilli or others who assisted the

Auspex

> when performing the sacrifices prior to seating himself to take

the

> auspices.
>
> While more formalized, and the instances of its use more limited,

an

> augurium was essentially interchangeable with an auspicium in what

was

> performed during each.
>
> Vale optime et vade in pace Deorum
> M Moravius Piscinus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > -M. Hortensia Gaiae Octaviae spd:
> > I'd intended to work on an article for the NRwiki, it's such

a

> > big, big topic!
> > Magistrates and cives take auspices; augurs perform an
> > augury.
> > vale
> > Marca Hortensia Maior
> >
> >
>

T. Flavius Aquila Marco Moravi Piscino Horatiano salutem plurimam dicit

Magnas gratias tibi ago !

I am a great admirer of Flavius Claudius Iulianus (Julian II )and of Marcus Aurelius Valerius Maxentius ,
both of them I call the last real Romans in Roman Antiqua.

Di te incolumem custodiant

Titus Flavius Aquila
Scriba censoris GFBM
Tribunus Plebis Candidatus



----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: marcushoratius <mhoratius@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Dienstag, den 6. November 2007, 22:31:35 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: Julian the Blessed [was a. d. VIII Eidus Novembris]

Salva sis, Lucia Livia

Before there was a Nova Roma, there was the Julian Society.
http://www.julianso ciety.org/ Both were founded by our Pontifex
Maximus M. Cassius Julianus. He was the one who introduced calling
Julian II the Blessed in Nova Roma.

Vale optime
M Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "liviacases" <cases@...> wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta S.P.D.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@>
> wrote:
>
> > AUC 1108 / 355 CE Julian the Blessed becomes Caesar
> >
> I never heard Julian II being referred to as "Julian the Blessed".
>
> He is usually referred to as "Julianus Apostata", or by people who
> don't sympathyze with christian religion, just as Julian II.
>
> So I'd like to know who started to call him "the Blessed", and how
> would that sound in Latin. Julianus Benedictus?
>
> Valete,
> L. Livia Plauta (eagerly waiting to get her first coin by Julian
II,
> bought over the internet).
>





Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? www.yahoo.de/mail

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Q. Caecilius Metellus Fl. Galerio Aureliano salutem dicit.

Indeed, my friend, I would agree with you, if that prayer had been for a.d.
VIII Id. Nov.; however, it was pr. Non. Nov., which was not an impious day for
such a thing. As the preface to my original missive stated, it somehow never
made it to the list on the day it was originally sent; there may be some
reasonable argument for impiety in my stating on a dies ater that the act had
been done, though I would disagree with the argument.

Savlete optime Censor Caeso Modianus et Quirites omnes

Titus Sabinus and I have begun to exchange our thoughts and both
agree that the list for magistrates shall be revived. Last year it
was an effective tool for communicating between magistrates to avoid
problems as they arose, as with those that have thus far with this
election or in 2005. It also allowed all magistrates to share ideas,
work out compromises on legislation, and coordinate their efforts in
various ways. We have you and your colleague Consularis Pompeia
Strabo to thank for it. In sharp contrast has been the dismal
performance of Consules Glaerius and Faustus this year in
accomplishing much of anything.

Sabinus and I have also discussed forming a joint Cohors Consularis
so that the Consules and their respective staffs will be working
together. Each Consul will take over certain areas of
responsibilities, just as in Roma antiqua each Consul had his own
designated provincia. Each of the accensi are to be given a specific
assignment, but all will be available to lend their comments to a
collective and cooperative leadership.

Both Consules will be on the list for gubenatores, working with them
on ideas to assist the develop of the provincae. Gubenator
Aurelianus spoke of a standardized form for provinciae to request
funds from the Senate. The Consules will work with the gubenatores
to produce their own standard form. I also wish to see the
gubenatores produce a standardized format for making their annual
reports to the Senate. I wish for the more experienced gubenatores to
work with our newer ones to produce a Gubenator's Handbook. In that
handbook we can place these standardized forms as well as others as
may be created. By the conclusion of this year's Census 2007 we will
have information available to judge where it shall be possible to
create new provinciae. Sabinus and I have spoken a little on the
possibilities. It will mean that we shall have new gubenatores. At
the moment there is little information for them to go on, But the
gubenatores' kist is another way to involve a collective approach to
leadership in Nova Roma and Sabinus and I intend to take full
advantage of it.

This year we have seen the beginning of committees form in the
Senate. I have mentioned that I would like to form a standing Senate
committee to deal with budgetary matters. A Scholarship Committee
was formed, of which there is no intended changes to be made for next
year. Other committees could be formed to introduce a new method for
the Senate to work, placing more responsibility on individual
Senatores to participate in the Senate and fulfilling their
responsibily to advize and guide our magistrates on the goals and
long range planning of our civitas.

There is also the Comitia. Last year, while Tribunus Plebis, I
addressed my proposals for plebiscita in the Comitia Plebis Tributa
so that our Plebeian Citizens could offer their own input. They were
as much a part of developing the final versions as any Tribunus might
have been. Differences were worked out in those discussions and
thereby was a better measure presented to the Comitia in the end.
The Consules have available to them the list for the Comitia
Centuriata where we can meet directly with Citizens to discuss ideas
and work out legislation. It is a forum of which Consules have not
yet taken full advantage to communicate with our Citizens, instead of
at them, and involve our Citizens in a more collective approach to
developing the Res Publica Libera.

In the coming year I think you shall see Titus Sabinus and I rely on
organization, delegation of responsibility and authority, and
cooperation between ourselves and with other magistrates to bring
about a more collective involvement of the leadership of Nova Roma
and of all interested Citizens. The coming year, 2008, shall be the
tenth year since the Founding of Nova Roma. In this Anniversary Year
it is time to rekindle in all of our Citizens the Spirit that first
brought Nova Roma to light.

Di Deaeque vos semper ament

M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus

Senator
Flamen Carmentalis
Candidatus Consulatus


Sapimus animo, fruimur anima; sine animo anima est debilis.
"We savor the mind; we enjoy the soul; the soul is crippled without
reason." ~ L. Accius, Ex Epigonis 15

Aude sapiens!
"Dare to be wise!" ~ L. Annaeus Seneca



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tito Iulio Sabino salutem dicit
>
> Some do not think a list for magistrates is useful, and claim it is
> even "un-Roman." I saw it useful because the magistrates of Nova
> Roma, along with the senate, are the leaders of this organization

and

> it is in the best interest of Nova Roma is the magistrates get along
> and communicate. If that is un-Roman then perhaps philosopher

Thomas

> Hobbes was right and we [i.e., humanity] are in a state of "war of

all

> against all." I don't like Hobbes, and I don't agree with his
> philosophy. I think it is beneficial for magistrates to communicate
> and work together to drive Nova Roma forward.
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Buteo
>
> On Nov 6, 2007 7:47 PM, Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>

wrote:

>
> > SALVE ET SALVETE!
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
> > <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > > This was one of the reasons I, as consul last year, created an

e-

> > mail list for the magistrates of Nova Roma.>>>
> >
> > I know. As curule aedile I was member and the list works. If
> > magistrates really want to collaborate, this list, without

doubts, was

> > and still can be useful.
> >
> > VALE ET VALETE,
> > IVL SABINVS
>

T.Flavius Aquila Marco Moravi Piscino Horatiano salutem plurimam
dicit

I like your and Titus Sabinus approach very much and hope that you
will succeed in achieving your goals for the benfit of the Populus
Nova Romanum.

Bonam habe Fortunam

Di te incolumem custodiant

Titus Flavius Aquila
Scriba Censoris GFBM
Tribunus Plebis Candidatus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...>
wrote:

>
> Savlete optime Censor Caeso Modianus et Quirites omnes
>
> Titus Sabinus and I have begun to exchange our thoughts and both
> agree that the list for magistrates shall be revived. Last year

it

> was an effective tool for communicating between magistrates to

avoid

> problems as they arose, as with those that have thus far with this
> election or in 2005. It also allowed all magistrates to share

ideas,

> work out compromises on legislation, and coordinate their efforts

in

> various ways. We have you and your colleague Consularis Pompeia
> Strabo to thank for it. In sharp contrast has been the dismal
> performance of Consules Glaerius and Faustus this year in
> accomplishing much of anything.
>
> Sabinus and I have also discussed forming a joint Cohors

Consularis

> so that the Consules and their respective staffs will be working
> together. Each Consul will take over certain areas of
> responsibilities, just as in Roma antiqua each Consul had his own
> designated provincia. Each of the accensi are to be given a

specific

> assignment, but all will be available to lend their comments to a
> collective and cooperative leadership.
>
> Both Consules will be on the list for gubenatores, working with

them

> on ideas to assist the develop of the provincae. Gubenator
> Aurelianus spoke of a standardized form for provinciae to request
> funds from the Senate. The Consules will work with the

gubenatores

> to produce their own standard form. I also wish to see the
> gubenatores produce a standardized format for making their annual
> reports to the Senate. I wish for the more experienced gubenatores

to

> work with our newer ones to produce a Gubenator's Handbook. In

that

> handbook we can place these standardized forms as well as others

as

> may be created. By the conclusion of this year's Census 2007 we

will

> have information available to judge where it shall be possible to
> create new provinciae. Sabinus and I have spoken a little on the
> possibilities. It will mean that we shall have new gubenatores.

At

> the moment there is little information for them to go on, But the
> gubenatores' kist is another way to involve a collective approach

to

> leadership in Nova Roma and Sabinus and I intend to take full
> advantage of it.
>
> This year we have seen the beginning of committees form in the
> Senate. I have mentioned that I would like to form a standing

Senate

> committee to deal with budgetary matters. A Scholarship Committee
> was formed, of which there is no intended changes to be made for

next

> year. Other committees could be formed to introduce a new method

for

> the Senate to work, placing more responsibility on individual
> Senatores to participate in the Senate and fulfilling their
> responsibily to advize and guide our magistrates on the goals and
> long range planning of our civitas.
>
> There is also the Comitia. Last year, while Tribunus Plebis, I
> addressed my proposals for plebiscita in the Comitia Plebis

Tributa

> so that our Plebeian Citizens could offer their own input. They

were

> as much a part of developing the final versions as any Tribunus

might

> have been. Differences were worked out in those discussions and
> thereby was a better measure presented to the Comitia in the end.
> The Consules have available to them the list for the Comitia
> Centuriata where we can meet directly with Citizens to discuss

ideas

> and work out legislation. It is a forum of which Consules have

not

> yet taken full advantage to communicate with our Citizens, instead

of

> at them, and involve our Citizens in a more collective approach to
> developing the Res Publica Libera.
>
> In the coming year I think you shall see Titus Sabinus and I rely

on

> organization, delegation of responsibility and authority, and
> cooperation between ourselves and with other magistrates to bring
> about a more collective involvement of the leadership of Nova Roma
> and of all interested Citizens. The coming year, 2008, shall be

the

> tenth year since the Founding of Nova Roma. In this Anniversary

Year

> it is time to rekindle in all of our Citizens the Spirit that

first

> brought Nova Roma to light.
>
> Di Deaeque vos semper ament
>
> M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
>
> Senator
> Flamen Carmentalis
> Candidatus Consulatus
>
>
> Sapimus animo, fruimur anima; sine animo anima est debilis.
> "We savor the mind; we enjoy the soul; the soul is crippled

without

> reason." ~ L. Accius, Ex Epigonis 15
>
> Aude sapiens!
> "Dare to be wise!" ~ L. Annaeus Seneca
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
> <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tito Iulio Sabino salutem dicit
> >
> > Some do not think a list for magistrates is useful, and claim it

is

> > even "un-Roman." I saw it useful because the magistrates of Nova
> > Roma, along with the senate, are the leaders of this

organization

> and
> > it is in the best interest of Nova Roma is the magistrates get

along

> > and communicate. If that is un-Roman then perhaps philosopher
> Thomas
> > Hobbes was right and we [i.e., humanity] are in a state of "war

of

> all
> > against all." I don't like Hobbes, and I don't agree with his
> > philosophy. I think it is beneficial for magistrates to

communicate

> > and work together to drive Nova Roma forward.
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Caeso Buteo
> >
> > On Nov 6, 2007 7:47 PM, Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@>
> wrote:
> >
> > > SALVE ET SALVETE!
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
> > > <tau.athanasios@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This was one of the reasons I, as consul last year, created

an

> e-
> > > mail list for the magistrates of Nova Roma.>>>
> > >
> > > I know. As curule aedile I was member and the list works. If
> > > magistrates really want to collaborate, this list, without
> doubts, was
> > > and still can be useful.
> > >
> > > VALE ET VALETE,
> > > IVL SABINVS
> >
>

A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae quiritibus bonae
voluntatis S.P.D.

>>
>> This deserves a reply, and since no one else seems to have addressed
>> this, that task has apparently fallen to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marca Hortensia Maior Quiritibus SPD
>> I too don the toga candida and entry the race for praetor for
>> the 2008 elections in Nova Roma.
>>
>> I have been a civis since 2003:
>> Governor of Hibernia
>> scriba Censoris Iuris & Investigatio
>> Tribuna Plebis
>> Plebeian Aedile
>> http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=5832
>>
>> In accord with the ways of the Republic I took last year off between
>> public offices. But I still worked for the res publica with
>> Vox Romana podcast
>> Nrwiki booklists for the cultus deorum
>> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_the_cultus_deorum
>> articles and an online temple to Fortuna
>> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Fortuna
>>
>> I am a proud plebeian & climbed the cursus honorum giving games as
>> plebeian aedile. http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/cursus.html
>>
>> You will know what to expect from me,
>>
>> ATS: Those of us who have been here long enough certainly do know what
>> to expect of you. The question lies elsewhere, however.
>>
>>
>> as I will be a praetor in the
>> manner of Roma Antiqua.
>>
>> ATS: After some surgery, perhaps, since very few of them were female,
>> but now we see that you prefer a higher calling. The censura beckons.
>>
>>
>> I will preside at all ceremonies and
>> personally honour the cultus deorum. I will preside over trials.
>>
>> ATS: It is highly unlikely that any NR praetor/praetrix would have to
>> preside over trials. Especially not in the plural.
>>
>> I
>> will not organize the tabularium.
>>
>> ATS: That would require high-level organizational skills, infinite time,
>> and the cooperation of the wiki magistri, who seem preoccupied.
>>
>>
>> I will not censor the main list.
>>
>> ATS: That is hardly surprising. The Romans did not like innovation.
>> That may have contributed to their fall, but it is one of their
>> characteristics. Since the Main List has not been censored, and is not
>> censored, it is unlikely that any praetor/praetrix will censor it. It is
>> moderated to prevent spam and other unwelcome trash. You and others who
>> believe that the ML is censored are sadly mistaken, and in your case, it is
>> almost surprising that a citizen who has been here so long still believes
>> this nonsense. Moderators, however, need a sense of propriety, and that is
>> something which may not be present in certain parties who should therefore
>> never be allowed to moderate any list more decorous than the BA.
>>
>>
>> May we all grow in our Romanitas.
>>
>> ATS: Indeed.
>>
>> May the di immortales be propitious to us!
>> Marca Hortensia Maior
>> candidate for praetor
>>

ATS: Di nos protegant!

Valete.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus M. Moravio Piscino Horatiano salutem dicit

I am pleased to see the NR Magistrates list will be resurrected and
utilized. I was disappointed to see it go stagnate this year. I
agree that this years consular performance has been lacking in
performance. I think it is important for colleagues to communicate
and work together.

Good ideas with the senate committees and with revitalizing the provinces.

Next year IS the 10th anniversary. Too bad nothing was planned this
year to celebrate. Hopefully something can be put together really
quick when you and Sabinus take office.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Nov 7, 2007 4:54 AM, marcushoratius <mhoratius@...> wrote:
>
> Savlete optime Censor Caeso Modianus et Quirites omnes
>
> Titus Sabinus and I have begun to exchange our thoughts and both
> agree that the list for magistrates shall be revived. Last year it
> was an effective tool for communicating between magistrates to avoid
> problems as they arose, as with those that have thus far with this
> election or in 2005. It also allowed all magistrates to share ideas,
> work out compromises on legislation, and coordinate their efforts in
> various ways. We have you and your colleague Consularis Pompeia
> Strabo to thank for it. In sharp contrast has been the dismal
> performance of Consules Glaerius and Faustus this year in
> accomplishing much of anything.
>
> Sabinus and I have also discussed forming a joint Cohors Consularis
> so that the Consules and their respective staffs will be working
> together. Each Consul will take over certain areas of
> responsibilities, just as in Roma antiqua each Consul had his own
> designated provincia. Each of the accensi are to be given a specific
> assignment, but all will be available to lend their comments to a
> collective and cooperative leadership.
>
> Both Consules will be on the list for gubenatores, working with them
> on ideas to assist the develop of the provincae. Gubenator
> Aurelianus spoke of a standardized form for provinciae to request
> funds from the Senate. The Consules will work with the gubenatores
> to produce their own standard form. I also wish to see the
> gubenatores produce a standardized format for making their annual
> reports to the Senate. I wish for the more experienced gubenatores to
> work with our newer ones to produce a Gubenator's Handbook. In that
> handbook we can place these standardized forms as well as others as
> may be created. By the conclusion of this year's Census 2007 we will
> have information available to judge where it shall be possible to
> create new provinciae. Sabinus and I have spoken a little on the
> possibilities. It will mean that we shall have new gubenatores. At
> the moment there is little information for them to go on, But the
> gubenatores' kist is another way to involve a collective approach to
> leadership in Nova Roma and Sabinus and I intend to take full
> advantage of it.
>
> This year we have seen the beginning of committees form in the
> Senate. I have mentioned that I would like to form a standing Senate
> committee to deal with budgetary matters. A Scholarship Committee
> was formed, of which there is no intended changes to be made for next
> year. Other committees could be formed to introduce a new method for
> the Senate to work, placing more responsibility on individual
> Senatores to participate in the Senate and fulfilling their
> responsibily to advize and guide our magistrates on the goals and
> long range planning of our civitas.
>
> There is also the Comitia. Last year, while Tribunus Plebis, I
> addressed my proposals for plebiscita in the Comitia Plebis Tributa
> so that our Plebeian Citizens could offer their own input. They were
> as much a part of developing the final versions as any Tribunus might
> have been. Differences were worked out in those discussions and
> thereby was a better measure presented to the Comitia in the end.
> The Consules have available to them the list for the Comitia
> Centuriata where we can meet directly with Citizens to discuss ideas
> and work out legislation. It is a forum of which Consules have not
> yet taken full advantage to communicate with our Citizens, instead of
> at them, and involve our Citizens in a more collective approach to
> developing the Res Publica Libera.
>
> In the coming year I think you shall see Titus Sabinus and I rely on
> organization, delegation of responsibility and authority, and
> cooperation between ourselves and with other magistrates to bring
> about a more collective involvement of the leadership of Nova Roma
> and of all interested Citizens. The coming year, 2008, shall be the
> tenth year since the Founding of Nova Roma. In this Anniversary Year
> it is time to rekindle in all of our Citizens the Spirit that first
> brought Nova Roma to light.
>
> Di Deaeque vos semper ament
>
> M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
>
> Senator
> Flamen Carmentalis
> Candidatus Consulatus

Cn. Lentulus M. Moravio consuli candidato sal.


Excellent! This is what I want to hear from a consular candidate. I will support both you an T. Sabinus candidacy and your work in the next year.

Please permit me, however, to react some points.

>>> the dismal

performance of Consules Glaerius and Faustus this year in
accomplishing much of anything. <<<


I think it was mostly Faustus fault...

>>> By the conclusion of this year's Census 2007 we will

have information available to judge where it shall be possible to
create new provinciae. <<<


If there is macro-State with at least 5-6 active citizen and cca. 10 member in sum, I agree that the Senate can consider to create a new one.
But, please, fix this principle: one macronational state or one confederation = one provincia.
I repeat this forever if needed: the place for NR civile life is not the provincia but the "municipium" or "regio". For example: be the USA only one Provincia America but subdivided into several regions (governed by legates) and free municipiums (governed by elected local magistrates). The role of the province is the connection with the centre, with the Senate, and to follow its instructions. The role of the regiones and municipiums is to create free and active civil life, quite independent from the centre. This is the ballance.

>>> The coming year, 2008, shall be the

tenth year since the Founding of Nova Roma. In this Anniversary Year
it is time to rekindle in all of our Citizens the Spirit that first
brought Nova Roma to light. <<<


LONG LIVE NOVA ROMA!

We indeed must cebrate this: it will be your task to organize the Anniversary: what a glory for you! Deserve this.

Valete!




Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
R O G A T O R
-------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Accensus Consulis Ti. Galerii Paulini
Scriba Aedilis Curulis Iuliae Caesaris Cytheridis Aeges
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------
Decurio I. Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


---------------------------------

---------------------------------
L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Marce Horati,

marcushoratius <mhoratius@...> writes:

> I also wish to see the
> gubenatores produce a standardized format for making their annual
> reports to the Senate.

There already is one. If you look in the senate archives for my
reports you'll see I used it. It was also in the files of the
Governor's mailing list.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salva sis Marca Hortensia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve sis Marce Horati;
> ugh I should never talk about augury & auspices off the top of
> my head.It's always a mistake. Apologies. I've got to make a copy
> of 'The Augural Law'.
> But now there was a prodigy today..do we only regard them if in
> Rome?
> Maior

No, not at all. Reccall your Livy where he speaks of prodigies.
Prodigies that occurred elsewhere were considered by the Roman
Senate. These were usually places significant to the Latins. Mount
Alba (25.7.7-9). The Temple of Juno Sospita at Lanuvium is mentioned
often among reported prodigies (examples 21.62; 23.31.15; 24.10.6-
13). The hastae Martis in the sanctuary in the Regia at Rome was of
course used to register danger when they moved, but also the hastae
Martis of Praeneste (24.10.10). The Temple of Jupiter at Terracina;
the Temple of Mater Matuta at Satricum (28.11). Outside Latium,
Caere, in Etruria, was significant to Rome because it was there that
during the Gallic sack of the City the sacred objects were
preserved. Prodigies thus reported from there were considered
(21.62).

You can look, too, at how far afield prodigies were considered in
this passage from Livy, with mention of Campania and even Sicily.

"To add to the general feeling of apprehension, information was
received of portents having occurred simultaneously in several
places. In Sicily several of the soldiers' darts were covered with
flames; in Sardinia the same thing happened to the staff in the hand
of an officer who was going his rounds to inspect the sentinels on
the wall; the shores had been lit up by numerous fires; a couple of
shields had sweated blood; some soldiers had been struck by
lightning; an eclipse of the sun had been observed; at Praeneste
there had been a shower of red-hot stones; at Arpi shields had been
seen in the sky and the sun had appeared to be fighting with the
moon; at Capena two moons were visible in the daytime; at Caere the
waters ran mingled with blood, and even the spring of Hercules had
bubbled up with drops of blood on the water; at Antium the ears of
corn which fell into the reapers' basket were blood-stained; at
Falerii the sky seemed to be cleft asunder as with an enormous rift
and all over the opening there was a blazing light; the oracular
tablets shrank and shrivelled without being touched and one had
fallen out with this inscription, "MARS IS SHAKING HIS SPEAR"; and at
the same time the statue of Mars on the Appian Way and the images of
the Wolves sweated blood. Finally, at Capua the sight was seen of the
sky on fire and the moon falling in the midst of a shower of rain." ~
Livy 22.1

I am not so familiar with the imperial era. I would imagine that
something as serious as the destruction of Ephesus by earthquake,
distant from Rome as it was, would still have been regarded a prodigy
of concern to the Rome empire. The Gods and Their temples everywhere
were to be respected. So if a prodigy, such as lightning striking a
temple, occurred anywhere then it might be regarded as a prodigy.

Vale optime et vade in pace Deorum
M Moravius Piscinus

Salve Marine

Yes. It would be nice though if all of the gubenatores knew this and
used it. I think a handbook to which new gubenatores can be referred
(and not so new ones reminded), including the standard forms and
reports they may need, will be a helpful project. Placing the task
before the gubenatores to produce such a handbook would probably
bring up additional ideas.

The list itself can be a place where gubenatores complain about one
thing or another. Or it can be made into a place where problems are
solved through mutual support and experience, producing plans and
projects to the Consules for the Senate to consider. We all have
come to feel the need to vitalize the provinciae as the foundation of
Nova Roma. Such will never come about from the top down. We need,
as Lentullus said, active local oppidia formed into regions that form
provinciae, with channels of communication from the local level
reaching up to the central organization. The list for the
gubenatores is that place of interface between all of the provinciae
with the Consules acting as the executive officers of the central
organization. My concern here is not that we produce a new
standardized form, or proposals for new leges, or anything of that
nature, but rather that we rethink how we do things in Nova Roma to
involve more people in our decision making process so that the
central organization is reflective of and working on the concerns of
our individual members.

Vale optime

M Moravius Piscinus
Senator
Flamen Carmentalis
Candidatus Consulatus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve Marce Horati,
>
> marcushoratius <mhoratius@...> writes:
>
> > I also wish to see the
> > gubenatores produce a standardized format for making their annual
> > reports to the Senate.
>
> There already is one. If you look in the senate archives for my
> reports you'll see I used it. It was also in the files of the
> Governor's mailing list.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

GAIVS�ARMINIVS�RECCANELLVS�TRIBVNVS�NOVAE�ROMAE�CIVIBUS�S�P�D

Because Caius isn't the correct spelling of the roman name (the correct is Gaius), and according the lex de nominibus mutandis, I inform you that, with autorization by Censor Modianus, I changed my praenomen to Gaius.

Vale & Valete
GAIVS�ARMINIVS�RECCANELLVS
======================
TRIBVNVS�PLEBIS�NOVAE�ROMAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Flavours -- Sweet

The Roman love of honey
has often been mocked.
In Apicius, we often
find it used with meat,
vegetables and fish as
well as in deserts.
Apicius lists thirty-
four sauces for fish,
of which only two are
entirely savory: honey,
syrup, or preserved
fruit is added to the
rest.

Of the four flavors
that we distinguish,
sweet is the most
popular. Animals,
children and the Gods
love sweetness, so why
should adults pretend
to outgrow it? Some
might turn up their
noses at a sauce that
contains a pinch of
sugar, but many a cook
knows that it gives a
lift to many savory
dishes.

----(I have found this
to be true in making
spaghetti sauce and
tomato soup. A little
sweetener enhances the
taste --MA)

Sometimes even the
French combine salty
dishes with sweet
flavours, ham with
honey,

----(as the Romans
did -- see the recent
recipe for Ham and
Figs -- MA)

or cheese with fruit,
for example. The
Romans used sweet
tastes to counter
overpowering
saltiness. Apicius
writes:

"If it is too sweet,
add "garum" (fish
sauce). If it is too
salty add syrup."

Honey (Mel)-----

Bees make honey from
flowers, and honey was
seen by the Romans as a
gift from heaven,
closely related to the
nectar drunk on Mount
Olympus.

One Greek myth has it
that Jupiter
transformed the lovely
Melissa into the first
bee. According to
another, the bee
descended from the
horse-fly, which was
ennobled with the help
of the sun.

There was disagreement
among the Romans about
the reproduction of
bees. Some thought
that bees were able to
reproduce, while others
believed they were born
from rotting beef.
Still others were
convinced that they
came into being in both
ways, or that bees were
born from flowers.
That the queen in each
swarm is the mother of
all it's members was
not discovered until
the 17th century. In
Rome one could buy
bees, receive them as
presents, or plunder
them from newly
conquered territories.
A bee hive could not be
carried on a cart over
long distances because
it would not survive
the jolts. Instead a
slave carried it
carefully by night.

You could also steal
bees from nature.
Country folk had a
clever way of doing
this: the peasants
would close off one end
of a hollow reed and
pour in some honey,
then place it near a
stream where bees came
to drink. When bees
crept into the reed,
attracted by the honey,
the peasant closed off
the opening with his
finger. Then he
allowed a single bee to
escape and followed it
on foot for as long as
he could. Once he was
sure of his trail the
peasant would let a
second bee escape,
continuing until he
found the bee's nest.

----(We find a similar
method in use during
the early colonial days
in North America.
Those who hunted "bee
trees" and sold them to
a town, used "bee
boxes" which held
several bees tempted in
by honey. The "bee
box" had a
small "hatch" that
could release one bee
at a time with a flip
of the finger. The
hunter then followed
the "bee-line" to
the "bee-hive"
somewhere in the
woodlands, usually in a
hollow tree.")

If they lived in a
hollow tree, he felled
it, wrapped it in
clothes and carried it
back to his home.

Every farm had a few
beehives, made of clay,
tree bark, woven twigs
or broom, for the
pollination of fruit
trees and vegetables..
Some farms specialized
in honey production,
and plants were grown
for the benefit of the
bees rather than their
owners. Honey farmers
planted roses, thyme,
rosemary, oregano,
savory, basil, poppy,
lilies, saffron,
celery, beans, lentils,
peas, ivy, and clovers,
such as alfalfa, to
keep their bees
supplied with nectar.
They also planted
trees, such as lime,
peach, almond, oak, and
pine for aromatic
nectar. Honey from
farms that grew mostly
vegetables was
considered inferior.

"One flower results in
a thin honey, like
skirret, another in
thick honey like
rosemary,. While the
fig supplies poor
honey, a good quality
comes from alfalfa, and
the best from thyme."

(Varr. R.R. III-xvi,
26)

At the market honey
cost about the same as
olive oil. The two
products were divided
between similar price-
ranges: just as oil is
available from the
first and second
pressings, and so on,
honey than ran from the
honeycomb was the most
expensive.

Unlike many other
ingredients of Roman
cuisine, we know what
their honey tasted like
because bees still
produce it exactly as
they always have..

(to be continued)

Reference:

P Fass, "Around the
Roman Table,"Univ. of
Chicago Press, 1994, P.
146-148

Respectfully Submitted;

Marcus Audens

The Wine Revel

This article is a
continuation of the
discussion on wine and
the serving of wine at
the Roman table:

---- Master of the
Revels (magister
bibendi)----

At the beginning of
the "Cominatio"
(Bacchanalien Revel??)
the guests elected a
master of revels
(the "magister
bibendi"). In this
they followed the
Greeks, who called the
king of drinking
the "symposiarch." He
was responsible for the
quantity of alcohol
consumed by the guests
so he had to know who
could hold his drink
and who could not. If
he was not well
acquainted with the
guests, he had to rely
on generalizations --
for example, that old
men got more drunk than
young men, the
impetuous more than the
calm, and the pessimist
more than the
optimist. The
authority of
the "Magister" was
beyond dispute. For
that reason it was
important that he
should be neither too
strict nor too liberal:

"For the drunkard is
arrogant and rude, but
the complete abstainer
is more suited to
looking after children
than presiding over a
symposium."

(Plut. 1-4-620C)

Because he was in
charge of alcohol
consumption,
the "magister" also had
overall responsibility
for the carousal. He
had to decide whether a
subject was appropriate
for discussion, and
select speakers. Then
if the conversation
became too trivial or
too heated, he had to
interrupt and propose
another topic.

But the "Magister's"
most important task was
to decide the correct
proportion of water to
wine. His options
ranged from pure wine,
and wine diluted with
six parts water.
Usually the mixture was
two or three parts
water to one part wine,
but one to one was not
uncommon. In all
circumstances the water
was poured into
the "krater" first,
followed by the wine.
Once the wine was
mixed, it was poured
into a small wine jug,
a "Lagona," and from
there into the cups.

Reference:--

P. Faas,. "Around the
Roman Table." page 91

In respect to the
consistency of
the "merum" none of my
references mentions a
consistency of syrup
except after boiling
the "merum" down into a
fraction of it's former
amount. in my wine-
making the result of
the fermentation and
drawing of the wine
into bottles, the
consistency was that of
normal wine of today.
I made my wine in
pretty much the same
way the Romans did
except for using slaves
to smash the grapes. I
used a potato masher.
I used a clean plastic
garbage can and then
racked off the rough
wine into a 3 gallon
glass container fitted
with a gas relief
valve. From there when
the fermentation was
complete it wine was
racked into a second
wine container to leave
behind the remaining
sediment. Finally it
was racked in quart
bottles for storage.
In this way I made
about 50 gallons of
wine, which turned out
pretty good, but the
consistency was always
that of modern wine.
If there is some basic
difference to that
procedure, I would
appreciate knowing the
reference for it.

Respectfully Submitted;

Marcus Audens

----Turnips (rapum)----

The turnip was seen as
simple fare. The plant
is native to Europe,
nutritious. easily
cultivated, and
therefore cheap.
Opinion differed on how
healthy it was. The
great doctor Democritus
rejected turnips,
believing they made
people bloated. Other
doctors saw the turnip
in a more positive
light:

"Diocles praises the
turnip plant, declaring
that it stimulates the
amorous propensities.
So too, does Dionysius,
who adds that its
effects are even
stronger if eaten with
rocket."

(Plin. N.H. XX-viii)

Healthy or not, the
turnip had many
devotees, of whom
Emperor Claudius was
one. When he died, it
was announced that he
was to be deified so
there would be someone
in heaven who could eat
turnip with Rome's
founding father Romulus
(Sen. Apoc. 9).

Martial wrote
an "apophoreta"
(presents for guests to
take home) on the
subject of this winter
vegetable:

"Turnip I give, to
bring you some cheer in
the frost of the
shortest day, while
Romulus -- no less --
is eating the same in
heaven."

(Mart. XIII 16)

Faas provides two
recipes for turnip:

--Boiled Turnip (uses
garum);

--Preserved Turnip
(uses salt).

I can save these for
next time, or simply
forget it. The recipe
for Boiled Turnip sauce
sounds a little strong
(Grin!!!!!).

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens

---Hymn to Vesta---



At the center of my
home:

At the center of my
hearth:

At the center of my
heart .

Your immaculate flame
burns, white hot

Pure, bright, eternal;

Lighting my heartspace;

Guarding my hearthspace;

Warming my homespace.



Vesta, Mistress of
virtue,

Guide my willing hands

That I might make of my
home

A fit sanctuary in
which to honor you.



Mighty Vesta, you who

Guard and bless the
home,

Let the brilliant heat

Of your eternal flame
keep safe my hearth

That nothing may
invade, infect or
despoil

My dwelling, from
without or within.



Loving Vesta, gentle
keeper of trusts and
secrets

Fill my heart with your
life giving, ever
vigilant fire

That I may,

By my thoughts words,
and deeds

Reflect, however dimly,
Your great glory

For You are beacon and
lodestone,

Guiding my steps and
drawing me back to my
center

You, Vesta, are my joy,
my security, my
inspiration .

And I, who adore You

Entreat Your blessing

Author:--

Soshona Hathaway

---Book Report / "Greek
and Roman Maps" (Dilke)--
-

Ladies and Gentlemen;

I welcome all the new
members to both the
Sodalitas Militarium and
to the New Roman Lists.

Today I have a special
reason to come before
you as I have a book
report to make. I must
admit that the book is
one which explores a
particular interest of
mine which is mapping.
However, I will share it
with you, as it is a
study in a particular
realm of ancient
history, and there is
much here both of Roman,
and pre-Roman
information which I
believe to be both
interesting and valuable.

========================

The book is:

O.A.W. Dilke, "Greek &
Roman Maps,"The Johns
Hopkins University
Press, Baltimore and
London, 1985

In the text "Greek &
Roman Maps," the author
has researched and laid
out in a following
manner those skills
required by mapmakers
and the development of
these skills as well as
the knowledge of them.
His research starts in
the ancient empires of
Babylonia, and Egypt,
using the ancient work
of Greek and Roman
individuals skilled in
such activities on into
the better known Age of
Discovery.

There is, in the book,
quite a number of plans
and maps ranging from
itineraries (both sea
and land) to building
plans, maps in artistic
format, and maps of
roadways.

The following are
comments from others who
have reviewed this book:

--"Dilke's up-to-date
survey of classical
cartography . . . will
long remain the standard
in the field" -- Meyer
Reinhold, "Classical
World;"

--"It is an extremely
useful book, packed with
information, simply and
succinctly
expressed . . . There is
no doubt that it was
Greek theoretical
thinking and a growing
knowledge of geography,
combined with the
practical demands
imposed upon the
administrators of the
Roman Empire which led
to the development and
widespread use of maps
more or less as we know
them." -- Mary E.
Hoskins Walbank, "Echos
du monde classique;"

--"All of this O.A.W.
Dilke tells. along with
much more that is
peripherally related to
maps: he explains at
length the Roman
technique of surveying
land, reviews the
various land and sea
itineraries that have
survived, and discusses
the kinds of plans the
ancients drew from plans
of cities
to "blueprints" of
buildings . . . He
performs a useful
service in bringing
together this material,
some of which has been
available only in
scattered scholarly
journals." -- Lionel
Casson, "American
Historical Review:"

O.A.W. Dilke was a
professor at the
University of Leeds. He
taught classics at
University College,
Hull, the university of
Glasgow, the Ohio State
university, and the
University of Leeds.

Book Contents:----

--List of Illustrations
(62);

--Preface;

--I, The Predecessors;

--II, Evidence From
Ancient Greece;

--III, Agrippa;

--IV, Geographical
Writers;

--V, Ptolemy and His
Predecessor Marinus;

--VI, Land Surveying;

--VII, Roman Stone Plans;

--VIII, Road Maps and
Land Itineraries;

--IX, Periploi;

--X, Maps In Art form;

--XI, The Development of
Ptolemaic Maps;

--XII, From Antiquity to
the Renaissance.

From my own review, I
find the material most
interesting and a good
read. I shall be able
to produce some good
replicas from this
material to display at
Roman Events as the
Legion III "Cyrenaica"
Engineer, in company
with some other models
of bridges and corduroy
roads that I have
constructed. In that
way, I can bring some of
this ancient material
before the general
public in the form of
actual models of
material taken from this
volume.

Respectfully Submitted;

Marcus Audens

----The Goddess----

=============
Since the spreading
rumor of the timber
crews cutting trees in
the sacred grove of the
Goddess, an unreasoning
fear of the Goddess had
spread like wildfire
through the troops
quartered here and the
meager winter drill in
this freezing weather
was not nearly enough
to keep the men's minds
off this illusion of an
avenging Goddess. She
was known to strike,
usually when the target
was asleep, and it was
said that the
punishment was both
painful, very personal,
and long-lasting, with
many dying from their
actions against her
laws.

Lucius didn't even like
to think about it, but
it kept creeping back
into his mind. He had
purged himself in the
Cave of Mithra, just
outside the fortress
gate, and he was almost
sure that Mithra would
shield him from this
threat. But -- and
there was always a but;
what if Mithra was busy
with slaying the bull?
Didn't he always have
to do this? Isn't that
what the blood spilling
of the oxen was
necessary more than
once!!?? He really
wasn't sure and
although he needed to
talk with someone he
didn't want to risk his
beliefs against this
new job.

He was doing what he
had wanted to work at
for many years and now
he had his chance. He
shivered in the cold
draft from the
curtained door, and
drew his cloak closer
around him.

Several men had
frostbitten feet in the
surgeon's hall, feet
that turned black and
had to be amputated.
Strange fevers had
taken some of the
legionaries despite
what the surgeons could
do, and they choked to
death, on heir own
saliva. Neither
thought gave him any
peace.

He had written the
notes as dictated to
him by the Chief
Engineer. The notes
that had sent the men
to cut timber for the
planned Rhenus Bridge.
Did that make him a
target of the Goddess?
Surely if anyone was
stricken it would be
the individual who gave
the orders rather than
the people who simply
passed them on.
However, what little he
knew about the Goddess
suggested that her
logic may well be far
different than his. He
shivered again.

He was tired, so very
tired, from a heavy
day's work in the
Tabularium writing
notes, carrying
messages, and putting
files in their proper
places. Notes, and
messages and files
which held those orders
that had resulted in
cutting the sacred
trees. He longed to
lie down and surrender
to a long and deep
sleep, but his fear of
the Goddess kept him
from his pallet. He
longed for sleep and
yet he feared it as he
feared agony and death.

He went to the tiny
window and drew aside
the curtain. Blackness
looked back at him. No
Moon Goddess to light
the night, no stars to
be seen through the
thick clouded sky. A
perfect night for the
Goddess to wander at
large taking her
revenge. Lucius sat on
a bench before a table
littered with scrolls
and message pads. He
slumped over the
table. He was very,
very, afraid.

===========

Citizens of Nova Roma;

These last few articles complete my promised issues of the subject publications. My apologies or the lateness of this quarterly issue, but the recent trips interrupted my planned schedule.

During November and December, I will be gathering stories, articles, poems, and reviews for the 4th Qtr.Issues of these publications. Should anyone wish to contribute on any topic relating directly to the ancient roman culture, I should be pleased to include such with appropriate credits in these publications.

If there is any interest in publishing an Annual Issue of "Aquila" please make me aware of your desires, and I shall attempt to get at least one copy of that publication out before the end of January.

If there is anyone who has the ability and would like to volunteer some time and effort to put these articles in a publication format, rather than sending the articles one at a time, I should be pleased to hear from you.

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Audens
Senior Editor for NR Publications



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

SALVE ET SALVETE!

Qurites!

We have a wonderful opportunity to celebrate next year tenth years
since the founding of Nova Roma.
It's an important year for Nova Roma history. With all was good or
bad we must admit that NR was successfully. It was successfully
because its citizens and its magistrates tried with all efforts to
preserve the roman legacy, to find more accurate ways to the
republican model.
We must be happy because we exist. We must be happy because we have
what to continue. Our problems and mistakes, done without ill
intentions, represent only the normal steps of beginning. During the
time some of them were resolved. There still are a lot to do and
that is wonderful. We need patience. We need to have trust each over
and if is possible to help with all our energy to continue what was
started ten years ago.

I'm happy to see how Marcus Horatius presented some aspects of our
timid thoughts about what we can really do if elected consuls.
Well, I'm sure that we will have a cooperative year as time as, we,
both, have the necessary experience to find common solutions and
middle ways to work each over respecting the ancient tradition.
In the same time I know that a title can't bring more intuition,
more abilities and more power to work. Because that I consider you,
quirites, as my first advisors and probably this is the only one
promise I do in this election time: I will pay attention to your
questions, problems and requests.
I'm ready for a hard working year and I know that Marcus Horatius is
ready for the same thing.


VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Candidate for consul.




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...>
wrote:

> Titus Sabinus and I have begun to exchange our thoughts and both
> agree that the list for magistrates shall be revived. Last year

it

> was an effective tool for communicating between magistrates to

avoid

> problems as they arose, as with those that have thus far with this
> election or in 2005. It also allowed all magistrates to share

ideas,

> work out compromises on legislation, and coordinate their efforts

in

> various ways. We have you and your colleague Consularis Pompeia
> Strabo to thank for it. In sharp contrast has been the dismal
> performance of Consules Glaerius and Faustus this year in
> accomplishing much of anything.
>
> Sabinus and I have also discussed forming a joint Cohors

Consularis

> so that the Consules and their respective staffs will be working
> together. Each Consul will take over certain areas of
> responsibilities, just as in Roma antiqua each Consul had his own
> designated provincia. Each of the accensi are to be given a

specific

> assignment, but all will be available to lend their comments to a
> collective and cooperative leadership.
>
> Both Consules will be on the list for gubenatores, working with

them

> on ideas to assist the develop of the provincae. Gubenator
> Aurelianus spoke of a standardized form for provinciae to request
> funds from the Senate. The Consules will work with the

gubenatores

> to produce their own standard form. I also wish to see the
> gubenatores produce a standardized format for making their annual
> reports to the Senate. I wish for the more experienced gubenatores

to

> work with our newer ones to produce a Gubenator's Handbook. In

that

> handbook we can place these standardized forms as well as others

as

> may be created. By the conclusion of this year's Census 2007 we

will

> have information available to judge where it shall be possible to
> create new provinciae. Sabinus and I have spoken a little on the
> possibilities. It will mean that we shall have new gubenatores.

At

> the moment there is little information for them to go on, But the
> gubenatores' kist is another way to involve a collective approach

to

> leadership in Nova Roma and Sabinus and I intend to take full
> advantage of it.
>
> This year we have seen the beginning of committees form in the
> Senate. I have mentioned that I would like to form a standing

Senate

> committee to deal with budgetary matters. A Scholarship Committee
> was formed, of which there is no intended changes to be made for

next

> year. Other committees could be formed to introduce a new method

for

> the Senate to work, placing more responsibility on individual
> Senatores to participate in the Senate and fulfilling their
> responsibily to advize and guide our magistrates on the goals and
> long range planning of our civitas.
>
> There is also the Comitia. Last year, while Tribunus Plebis, I
> addressed my proposals for plebiscita in the Comitia Plebis

Tributa

> so that our Plebeian Citizens could offer their own input. They

were

> as much a part of developing the final versions as any Tribunus

might

> have been. Differences were worked out in those discussions and
> thereby was a better measure presented to the Comitia in the end.
> The Consules have available to them the list for the Comitia
> Centuriata where we can meet directly with Citizens to discuss

ideas

> and work out legislation. It is a forum of which Consules have

not

> yet taken full advantage to communicate with our Citizens, instead

of

> at them, and involve our Citizens in a more collective approach to
> developing the Res Publica Libera.
>
> In the coming year I think you shall see Titus Sabinus and I rely

on

> organization, delegation of responsibility and authority, and
> cooperation between ourselves and with other magistrates to bring
> about a more collective involvement of the leadership of Nova Roma
> and of all interested Citizens. The coming year, 2008, shall be

the

> tenth year since the Founding of Nova Roma. In this Anniversary

Year

> it is time to rekindle in all of our Citizens the Spirit that

first

> brought Nova Roma to light.
>
> Di Deaeque vos semper ament

SALVE FLAVI AQUILA!

Thank you.
I'm honored to see your efforts in Germania and your effective
contribution to the NR daily life.
You are fine example and I support your candidacy because in my
opinion you belong to those who care and this is the most important
thing.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "titus.aquila" <titus.aquila@...>
wrote:

> I like your and Titus Sabinus approach very much and hope that you
> will succeed in achieving your goals for the benfit of the Populus
> Nova Romanum.

Provincia Hispania - Edictum Propraetoricium LII (Complutensis XXVI) de
creatione scribarum

Ex officio Leg Sen Prpr Hispaniae

Ex hoc, cives Quintus Fabius Uranicus (ID#4968) Scriba Ludorum creo.
Nullum ius iurandum poscetur.
Hoc edictum ilico valet.
Datum sub manu mea a.d. VII Idus Nov MMDCCLX


By this edict, I appoint citizen Quintus Fabius Uranicus (ID#4968) as Scriba
Ludorum .
No oath shall be demanded.
This edict takes effect immediately.
Given under my hand this 7th day of November ,2007 C.E.


Por el presente edicto, yo nombro Scriba Ludorum al ciudadano Quintus Fabius
Uranicus (ID#4968)
No se precisa juramento.
Este edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente
Dado a 7 de Noviembre de 2007 C.E.


M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
TRIBVNVS PLEBIS
LEG·SEN·PRPR·HISPANIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS CFBM
NOVA ROMA
-------------------------------------------
ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima

L. Arminio Ti. Galerio Cos

A. Tullia Scholastica C. Arminio Reccanello quiritibus bonae voluntatis
S.P.D.

> GAIVS•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS•TRIBVNVS•NOVAE•ROMAE•CIVIBUS•S•P•D
>
> Because Caius isn't the correct spelling of the roman name (the correct is
> Gaius), and according the lex de nominibus mutandis, I inform you that, with
> autorization by Censor Modianus, I changed my praenomen to Gaius.

Congratulations on your name change, which was made for all of the right
reasons. The correct spelling of your praenomen is indeed Gaius, though the
correct abbreviation is C. I would encourage all Roman citizens to use the
correct abbreviations for their praenomina rather than spelling them out,
for that was the Roman practice, and would ask all who do not have names
which conform to the nomenclature legislation to consider bringing their
names into conformity with our laws and previous censorial edicta. Tirones
may change their names at any time during the tirocinium, though full
citizens should confine this to changing their names to reflect correct
Roman nomenclature practices. If there are any questions, one should
consult the Choosing A Roman Name page on the NR wikipedia.

>
> Vale & Valete
> GAIVS•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS
> ======================
> TRIBVNVS•PLEBIS•NOVAE•ROMAE
> "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Vale, et valete.

>

just a thing, I don't know what is my comitia!

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:23 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] How To Vote


Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> how do I do to vote?

Go to http://www.novaroma.org

Click on the wolf. This will take you to the main page at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page

Find the link for Election MMDCCLX under CURRENT EVENTS. Click on it.

This will take you to
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLX_%28Nova_Roma%29

Follow the directions there. Of continue to read, since I'm going to
copy them here.

1. Carefully check the schedule below for your correct voting
times and comitia.
2. Go to your Album Civium page. Make sure you are logged in via
the box on the right of the screen.
3. Click on "get vote code...".
4. Make a note of your Voter Code. You will need it if there are
problems with your vote.
5. Click on the "go vote" button.
6. Cast your ballots.

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> just a thing, I don't know what is my comitia!

It must be the Comitia Plebis Tributa, since that's the only one
voting right now. Later this week we'll see voting open in the other
two Comitia, and at that time you'll want to come back and vote in
them too.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salvete novoromani

Attending to the call of our Consul, Tiberius Galerius
Paulinus, the Diribitores chosen, by lot, that the
Centuria Praerogativa will be:
Centuria II
http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?cmd=show-century¢ury=2

Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior
Diribitor

--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> escreveu:

> Salvete Nova Romans
>
> In accordance with my call for the Comitia
> Centuriata I stated that
> during the Contio the Diribitores needed to select
> and announce the
> Centuria Praerogativa.
>
> I call on the Diribitores to announce the Centuria
> Praerogativa
> before the end of the Contio which ends at
> 5:59 PM, Roma time, on 8 November 2760 a.u.c
>
> Also as a reminder in my call for the Comitia Populi
> Tributa
> the Tribe VI: Corneliain was named as the presidium
> (the first tribe to be counted)..
>
> Valete
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Consul

Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento!
http://br.mail.yahoo.com/

Vale! it's great!

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.

----- Original Message -----
From: James Lee Mathews
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com ; JMath669642reng@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:19 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Flavours, Sweet -- Roman Times -- 3rd Qtr. -- 2007




Flavours -- Sweet

The Roman love of honey
has often been mocked.
In Apicius, we often
find it used with meat,
vegetables and fish as
well as in deserts.
Apicius lists thirty-
four sauces for fish,
of which only two are
entirely savory: honey,
syrup, or preserved
fruit is added to the
rest.

Of the four flavors
that we distinguish,
sweet is the most
popular. Animals,
children and the Gods
love sweetness, so why
should adults pretend
to outgrow it? Some
might turn up their
noses at a sauce that
contains a pinch of
sugar, but many a cook
knows that it gives a
lift to many savory
dishes.

----(I have found this
to be true in making
spaghetti sauce and
tomato soup. A little
sweetener enhances the
taste --MA)

Sometimes even the
French combine salty
dishes with sweet
flavours, ham with
honey,

----(as the Romans
did -- see the recent
recipe for Ham and
Figs -- MA)

or cheese with fruit,
for example. The
Romans used sweet
tastes to counter
overpowering
saltiness. Apicius
writes:

"If it is too sweet,
add "garum" (fish
sauce). If it is too
salty add syrup."

Honey (Mel)-----

Bees make honey from
flowers, and honey was
seen by the Romans as a
gift from heaven,
closely related to the
nectar drunk on Mount
Olympus.

One Greek myth has it
that Jupiter
transformed the lovely
Melissa into the first
bee. According to
another, the bee
descended from the
horse-fly, which was
ennobled with the help
of the sun.

There was disagreement
among the Romans about
the reproduction of
bees. Some thought
that bees were able to
reproduce, while others
believed they were born
from rotting beef.
Still others were
convinced that they
came into being in both
ways, or that bees were
born from flowers.
That the queen in each
swarm is the mother of
all it's members was
not discovered until
the 17th century. In
Rome one could buy
bees, receive them as
presents, or plunder
them from newly
conquered territories.
A bee hive could not be
carried on a cart over
long distances because
it would not survive
the jolts. Instead a
slave carried it
carefully by night.

You could also steal
bees from nature.
Country folk had a
clever way of doing
this: the peasants
would close off one end
of a hollow reed and
pour in some honey,
then place it near a
stream where bees came
to drink. When bees
crept into the reed,
attracted by the honey,
the peasant closed off
the opening with his
finger. Then he
allowed a single bee to
escape and followed it
on foot for as long as
he could. Once he was
sure of his trail the
peasant would let a
second bee escape,
continuing until he
found the bee's nest.

----(We find a similar
method in use during
the early colonial days
in North America.
Those who hunted "bee
trees" and sold them to
a town, used "bee
boxes" which held
several bees tempted in
by honey. The "bee
box" had a
small "hatch" that
could release one bee
at a time with a flip
of the finger. The
hunter then followed
the "bee-line" to
the "bee-hive"
somewhere in the
woodlands, usually in a
hollow tree.")

If they lived in a
hollow tree, he felled
it, wrapped it in
clothes and carried it
back to his home.

Every farm had a few
beehives, made of clay,
tree bark, woven twigs
or broom, for the
pollination of fruit
trees and vegetables..
Some farms specialized
in honey production,
and plants were grown
for the benefit of the
bees rather than their
owners. Honey farmers
planted roses, thyme,
rosemary, oregano,
savory, basil, poppy,
lilies, saffron,
celery, beans, lentils,
peas, ivy, and clovers,
such as alfalfa, to
keep their bees
supplied with nectar.
They also planted
trees, such as lime,
peach, almond, oak, and
pine for aromatic
nectar. Honey from
farms that grew mostly
vegetables was
considered inferior.

"One flower results in
a thin honey, like
skirret, another in
thick honey like
rosemary,. While the
fig supplies poor
honey, a good quality
comes from alfalfa, and
the best from thyme."

(Varr. R.R. III-xvi,
26)

At the market honey
cost about the same as
olive oil. The two
products were divided
between similar price-
ranges: just as oil is
available from the
first and second
pressings, and so on,
honey than ran from the
honeycomb was the most
expensive.

Unlike many other
ingredients of Roman
cuisine, we know what
their honey tasted like
because bees still
produce it exactly as
they always have..

(to be continued)

Reference:

P Fass, "Around the
Roman Table,"Univ. of
Chicago Press, 1994, P.
146-148

Respectfully Submitted;

Marcus Audens





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

OK.

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] How To Vote


Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> just a thing, I don't know what is my comitia!

It must be the Comitia Plebis Tributa, since that's the only one
voting right now. Later this week we'll see voting open in the other
two Comitia, and at that time you'll want to come back and vote in
them too.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I recently had a conversation with Caeso Fabius Modianus about how I am
putting together augural guide with a new set of augural signs (ex caelo,
oscines, etc.) specific to the central and northern areas of America
Austrorientalis. He thought this was an excellent idea until I mentioned that the first
rule was that pigeons were to be ignored as either an affirmative or negative
sign due to their commonality in this part of the world. He said that since
they are uncommon in northern Ohio, he includes them in his augural signs.
Hey, what can you do. I'm sure that the first time a provincial magistrate took
the auspices in Judea or Brittannia, he had to do some rethinking if he was
from Roma.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus



************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The Romans loved innovation. They adopted the gods, weapons, farm
implements, theatre, divine images, foods, wines, beers, meads, ships, drinking cups,
dinner services, dining couches, ad infinitum from their friends, allies, and
enemies. The Romans were one of the most adoptive and adaptive people in
the ancient world. All the Romans wanted was Peace, a Roman Peace along with a
little piece of Gaul, a little piece of Germania, most of Britannia, all of
Ptolemic Aegypt, all of Seleucid Persia, Thrace, Greece, Macedonia . . . the
list goes on and on. I love being a Nova Roman.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus



************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

---
Salve A. Tullia Scholastica Praetrix Novae Romae, Salvete Omnes:

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...>
wrote:

>
> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> As legally required, I posted my candidacy for the quaestura to

a public

> Nova Roman forum and to the presiding officer, Consul Paulinus,

some time

> ago. I am now repeating that statement here in this wider forum.

Pompeia: I am truly pleased you are on the roster of Quaestoral
candidates this cista visit.

>
> There is a dearth of candidates, especially for our lower

offices, and

> in recent years it is not unheard-of for long time citizens, even
> magistrates, to seek lower office after a higher one. For the good

of the

> Res Publica I have offered myself as a candidate for this

position. If

> elected, I will serve faithfully and fairly to the best of my

ability, as I

> have in the past. I am currently serving as praetrix and senatrix,

was

> rogatrix last year, have served as consular accensa, praetorian

scriba (two

> terms), censorial scriba (almost three years), and curule

aedilician scriba

> (current and last year). In addition, I am rogatorial scriba, Latin
> interpreter, and praeceptrix of Latin at the Academia Thules.

Pompeia: And I am sure there is even more you have done for NR that
you likely don't even recall....you have freely lent a hand in many
areas, and with distinction. As I've told you privately in the past,
I appreciate your diligence and your academic achievements.
Moreover, I appreciate your willingness to help others achieve
academic excellence. (And you are not getting a prime wage for what
you do, either.) I'm sure I'm not alone in applause. We are
fortunate in that we have some super candidates this year, and I
count you among the ranks. And that you have served in a higher
office and now offer your services as Quaestor, knowing that the
republic is in need, is very commendable. Yet another example of your
dedication to NR.

>
> Valete.

Ave Praetrix

Pompeia

>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salve

I don't know about southern Ohio where Caeso Modianus lives, but up
here in Northeast Ohio pigeons are all too common. I do not include
them as alites or oscines. Solitary birds always take precedence
over a flock of birds, which would generally rule out pigeons
anyway.

You do have to take notice of the birds of your particular location.
I use the eastern blue jay among the oscines because of its behavior
and more so because its high pitched call is easily heard above the
calls of other birds. I also have many of the traditional oscines
and alites, if not quite the same species as you'd find in Europe.

Nigidius mentioned that swans were used in auspicia privita,
eventhough they were not used in the auspicia publica. Swans are not
native here, but there are a few that have gone wild. It would be a
rare day indeed for me to see any over my land, but they do live on
nearby lakes, so it is not impossible, and thus I might consider such
a rare event.

Vale optime
M Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> I recently had a conversation with Caeso Fabius Modianus about how
I am
> putting together augural guide with a new set of augural signs (ex
caelo,
> oscines, etc.) specific to the central and northern areas of
America
> Austrorientalis. He thought this was an excellent idea until I
mentioned that the first
> rule was that pigeons were to be ignored as either an affirmative
or negative
> sign due to their commonality in this part of the world. He said
that since
> they are uncommon in northern Ohio, he includes them in his
augural signs.
> Hey, what can you do. I'm sure that the first time a provincial
magistrate took
> the auspices in Judea or Brittannia, he had to do some rethinking
if he was
> from Roma.
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's new at
http://www.aol.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Di vos servent cum vester.

Hodie est ante diem VI Eidus Novembris; haec dies comitialis et
religiosum est: Mania; mundus patet.

Today is the third time in the year that the mundus is opened, the
other dates being 24 Aug. and 5 Oct. The Mania is thus celebrated
with offerings for the dead. For this reason, too, the day is
regarded as religiousum where it is proper to offer to the Lares and
household gods, as well as to the Manes in general and to the Di
infernes, but it is improper to offer to the celestial Gods.


AUC 690 / 63 BCE Cicero delivers his condemnation of Catalina before
the Senate

"When, O Catiline, do you mean to cease abusing our patience? How
long is that madness of yours still to mock us? When is there to be
an end of that unbridled audacity of yours, swaggering about as it
does now? Do not the nightly guards placed on the Palatine Hill -do
not the watches posted throughout the city--does not the alarm of the
people, and the union of all good men--does not the precaution taken
of assembling the senate in this most defensible place--do not the
looks and countenances of this venerable body here present, have any
effect upon you? Do you not feel that your plans are detected? Do you
not see that your conspiracy is already arrested and rendered
powerless by the knowledge which every one here possesses of it? What
is there that you did last night, what the night before-- where is it
that you were--who was there that you summoned to meet you - what
design was there which was adopted by you, with which you think that
any one of us is unacquainted?

"Shame on the age and on its principles! The senate is aware of these
things; the consul sees them; and yet this man lives. Lives! aye, he
comes even into the senate. He takes a part in the public
deliberations; he is watching and marking down and checking off for
slaughter every individual among us. And we, gallant men that we are,
think that we are doing our duty to the republic if we keep out of
the way of his frenzied attacks. You ought, O Catiline, long ago to
have been led to execution by command of the consul. That destruction
which you have been long plotting against us ought to have already
fallen on your own head.

"What? Did not that most illustrious man, Publius Scipio, the
Pontifex Maximus, in his capacity of a private citizen, put to death
Tiberius Gracchus, though but slightly undermining the constitution?
And shall we, who are the consuls, tolerate Catiline, openly desirous
to destroy the whole world with fire and slaughter? For I pass over
older instances, such as how Caius Servilius Ahala with his own hand
slew Spurius Maelius when plotting a revolution in the state. There
was--there was once such virtue in this republic, that brave men
would repress mischievous citizens with severer chastisement than the
most bitter enemy. For we have a resolution of the senate, a
formidable and authoritative decree against you, O Catiline; the
wisdom of the republic is not at fault, nor the dignity of this
senatorial body. We, we alone,--I say it openly, --we, the consuls,
are waiting in our duty."


AUC 1147 / 392 CE Theodosius bans lararium rites and sacrifices.

"No person at all, whatever class or order of men or office, whether
currently in power or having completed office, whether powerful by
chance of birth or humble in class, legal status, and wealth, shall
sacrifice an innocent victim to insensate images in any place or in
any city; nor shall any one by private sacrifice worship his
household Lar with fire, his Genius with wine, nor his Penates with
incense, nor by lighting candles, burning incense, or hanging wreaths
for them. Â… However if anyone, worshiping with incense, should
venerate images made by human hand and destined to suffer the ravage
of time, or should he, suddenly filled with awe of what he himself
has made, seeks to honor them either by adorning a tree in garlands
with sacred ribbons, by erecting an altar of turf, or attempt to give
an offering, however small, though it is still an insult to religion,
since he is guilty of the violation of (Christian) religion he shall
forfeit his house and his holdings in which he is proved to have been
a slave to heathen superstition. For we decree that all places that
prove to have reeked with the smell of incense shall be united with
our treasury, if they are shown to have belonged by law to those
burning incense." ~ Codex Theodosi 16.10.12


The thought for today is from Epictetus, Enchiridion 21

"Let death and exile, and all other things which appear terrible, be
daily before your eyes, but death chiefly; and you will never
entertain any abject thought, not too eagerly covet anything."

---Salve Marce Moravi Piscine, Salvete Omnes:

Curiosity, if I may:

What about eagles? I would imagine favourable, but given their
reverence by the Romans, and their less common sitings (they are so
high flying and don't exactly nest in backyard trees :>)) would their
appearance in an augry have an extra special significance?



Thanks in advance,
Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...> wrote:

>
> Salve
>
> I don't know about southern Ohio where Caeso Modianus lives, but up
> here in Northeast Ohio pigeons are all too common. I do not

include

> them as alites or oscines. Solitary birds always take precedence
> over a flock of birds, which would generally rule out pigeons
> anyway.
>
> You do have to take notice of the birds of your particular

location.

> I use the eastern blue jay among the oscines because of its

behavior

> and more so because its high pitched call is easily heard above the
> calls of other birds. I also have many of the traditional oscines
> and alites, if not quite the same species as you'd find in Europe.
>
> Nigidius mentioned that swans were used in auspicia privita,
> eventhough they were not used in the auspicia publica. Swans are

not

> native here, but there are a few that have gone wild. It would be

a

> rare day indeed for me to see any over my land, but they do live on
> nearby lakes, so it is not impossible, and thus I might consider

such

> a rare event.
>
> Vale optime
> M Moravius Piscinus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> >
> > I recently had a conversation with Caeso Fabius Modianus about

how

> I am
> > putting together augural guide with a new set of augural signs

(ex

> caelo,
> > oscines, etc.) specific to the central and northern areas of
> America
> > Austrorientalis. He thought this was an excellent idea until I
> mentioned that the first
> > rule was that pigeons were to be ignored as either an

affirmative

> or negative
> > sign due to their commonality in this part of the world. He

said

> that since
> > they are uncommon in northern Ohio, he includes them in his
> augural signs.
> > Hey, what can you do. I'm sure that the first time a provincial
> magistrate took
> > the auspices in Judea or Brittannia, he had to do some

rethinking

> if he was
> > from Roma.
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> >
> >
> >
> > ************************************** See what's new at
> http://www.aol.com
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Flavio Galerio Aureliano quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
>
> The Romans loved innovation. They adopted the gods, weapons, farm
> implements, theatre, divine images, foods, wines, beers, meads, ships,
> drinking cups,
> dinner services, dining couches, ad infinitum from their friends, allies, and
> enemies.
>
> ATS: Add to that their clothing, since the toga itself seems to have been
> borrowed from Etruria, along with those haruspices. However, social
> innovation did not seem to be one of their very favorite things.
>
> The Romans were one of the most adoptive and adaptive people in
> the ancient world. All the Romans wanted was Peace, a Roman Peace along with
> a
> little piece of Gaul, a little piece of Germania, most of Britannia, all of
> Ptolemic Aegypt, all of Seleucid Persia, Thrace, Greece, Macedonia . . . the
> list goes on and on.
>
> ATS: Indeed, the Romans were a very pieceful people. A little piece o¹
> this, a big piece o¹ that...now why can¹t we get some pieces that are better
> than $200 of Texan pasture land (if it can be used as pasture land...if so,
> why not rent it out?).
>
>
> I love being a Nova Roman.
>
> ATS: Lots of us do.
>
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete omnes,

Q. Caecilius Metellus will today post more information about today's
main event: the Mundus patet.

I just want to remind you, that today is the last day to send in your
Literary Contest piece, see more information at:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/LudiPlebeii_Literary_Contest

And also today is the last day to send in your fighters for munera,
again more information at:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/LudiPlebeii_Gladiators_Subscription

Valete,

C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve,

Well, actually it has to be said that we do not have enough evidence
to say that during monarchy or during the early centuries of republic
the spelling Caius would have not been used. For example as late as
third century BC (if I remember correctly), the spelling Caia for
female name Gaia was in use at least in the burial monuments (See
more from Kajava's Female praenomina book). And we must remember that
the invention of letter G is commonly attributed to happen at 200's
BC. Certainly in later times the G was always used with those both
names, but since the abbreviation remaind as C. I think we could very
safely assume that the form Caius has indeed existed also in writing
at some point, for us simply there hasn't been any surviving and
found inscriptions to support this.

Vale,

On 8.11.2007, at 4:31, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> 4a. Changing name
> Posted by: "C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS"
> c.arminius.reccanellus@... caius_arminius_reccanellus
> Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:47 am ((PST))
>
> GAIVS•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS•TRIBVNVS•NOVAE•ROMAE•CIVIBUS•S•P•D
>
> Because Caius isn't the correct spelling of the roman name (the
> correct is Gaius), and according the lex de nominibus mutandis, I
> inform you that, with autorization by Censor Modianus, I changed my
> praenomen to Gaius.
>
> Vale & Valete
> GAIVS•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS
> ======================
> TRIBVNVS•PLEBIS•NOVAE•ROMAE
> "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Aedilis Plebis - Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org

M.Hortensia Fl. Galerio M.Horatio spd:
what an excellent & practical idea Aureliane. I'd llke to
contribute this link to the Cornell Ornithology Library
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/macaulaylibrary/Search/
Free bird song recordings.
it could be a way to encourage magistrates & cives to take public
and private auspices.
Marca Hortensia Maior

>
> I recently had a conversation with Caeso Fabius Modianus about how

I am

> putting together augural guide with a new set of augural signs (ex

caelo,

> oscines, etc.) specific to the central and northern areas of

America

> Austrorientalis. He thought this was an excellent idea until I

mentioned that the first

> rule was that pigeons were to be ignored as either an affirmative

or negative

> sign due to their commonality in this part of the world. He said

that since

> they are uncommon in northern Ohio, he includes them in his

augural signs.

> Hey, what can you do. I'm sure that the first time a provincial

magistrate took

> the auspices in Judea or Brittannia, he had to do some rethinking

if he was

> from Roma.
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's new at

http://www.aol.com

>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> A. Tullia Scholastica Pompeiae Minuciae Tiberiae quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
>
>
>
> Salve A. Tullia Scholastica Praetrix Novae Romae, Salvete Omnes:
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A. Tullia
> Scholastica" <fororom@...>
> wrote:
>> >
>> > A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>> >
>> > As legally required, I posted my candidacy for the quaestura to
> a public
>> > Nova Roman forum and to the presiding officer, Consul Paulinus,
> some time
>> > ago. I am now repeating that statement here in this wider forum.
>
> Pompeia: I am truly pleased you are on the roster of Quaestoral
> candidates this cista visit.
>
> ATS: Gratias. Equidem laetor.
>
>> >
>> > There is a dearth of candidates, especially for our lower
> offices, and
>> > in recent years it is not unheard-of for long time citizens, even
>> > magistrates, to seek lower office after a higher one. For the good
> of the
>> > Res Publica I have offered myself as a candidate for this
> position. If
>> > elected, I will serve faithfully and fairly to the best of my
> ability, as I
>> > have in the past. I am currently serving as praetrix and senatrix,
> was
>> > rogatrix last year, have served as consular accensa, praetorian
> scriba (two
>> > terms), censorial scriba (almost three years), and curule
> aedilician scriba
>> > (current and last year). In addition, I am rogatorial scriba, Latin
>> > interpreter, and praeceptrix of Latin at the Academia Thules.
>
> Pompeia: And I am sure there is even more you have done for NR that
> you likely don't even recall....you have freely lent a hand in many
> areas, and with distinction.
>
> ATS: Plurimas gratias! In fact, I do recall quite a few other
> things...proofreading every law in the Tabularium twice, proofreading the main
> website...
>
> As I've told you privately in the past,
> I appreciate your diligence and your academic achievements.
>
> ATS: Again, thank you very much.
>
>
> Moreover, I appreciate your willingness to help others achieve
> academic excellence.
>
> ATS: Some of my students have done reasonably well, anyway...in the upper
> 80s and 90s...whereupon a couple have gone on to face Avitus.
>
>
>
> (And you are not getting a prime wage for what
> you do, either.)
>
> ATS: Wage? What wage? Salary? Whazzat? The AT pay genuine money?
> Most of my students seem to like me, though...even when copious amounts of red
> ink adorn their papers. That¹s how one learns.
>
>
> I'm sure I'm not alone in applause. We are
> fortunate in that we have some super candidates this year, and I
> count you among the ranks.
>
> ATS: Typically we have some very fine candidates...and some who aren¹t, as
> well as the middling ones, and the untested ones. We hope that all candidates
> are in fact suited for the posts they seek (as may not be the case), and that
> elected candidates show up to take their oaths of office (and you and I recall
> one who did not) and perform their duties (several in that category, not to
> mention the resignations...). Thank you again for your compliments.
>
>
> And that you have served in a higher
> office and now offer your services as Quaestor, knowing that the
> republic is in need, is very commendable. Yet another example of your
> dedication to NR.
>
> ATS: There was a very fine precedent last year when consularis Marinus
> did just that...and then, if memory serves, we had an even bigger complement
> of candidates for the quaestura, if a deficient one.
>
>> > Valete.
>
> Ave Praetrix
>
> Ave consularis!
>
> Pompeia
>> >

Vale, et valete.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> wrote:

>
>

Salvete!
I get here in Provincia America Boreoccidentalis all the following
common Bubo Virginianus, Nyctea scandiaca, Nyctiocorax Nyctiocorax,
Cygnus columbianus,

as Uncommon

Falco peregrinue, Aix sponsa, Casmerodius albus, Haliaeetus
leucocephalus, Accipiter gentilis, Accipiter cooperii,
Plegadis chihi , Ardea herodias, Aegolius acadicus Falco
columbarius, Pandion haliaetus , Tyto alba, Cygnus cygnus,


as for Rare I get about here the following

Strix nebulosa, Otus asio, Otus fammeolus,


Vale
M.C. Felix
---Salve Marce Moravi Piscine, Salvete Omnes:

>
> Curiosity, if I may:
>
> What about eagles? I would imagine favourable, but given their
> reverence by the Romans, and their less common sitings (they are so
> high flying and don't exactly nest in backyard trees :>)) would their
> appearance in an augry have an extra special significance?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Pompeia
>
>

SALVE IULIUS SABINUS !

Thank you very much for your compliments, I am flattered.

I am sure that together we can achieve the best for Nova Roma, our
beloved Republic !

I am convinced , that with yours and Marcus Moravius Piscinus
leadership we will see a very successful 10th year of Nova Roma.

Titus Flavius Aquila
Scriba Censoris GFBM
Tribunus Plebis Candidatus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
<iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

>
> SALVE FLAVI AQUILA!
>
> Thank you.
> I'm honored to see your efforts in Germania and your effective
> contribution to the NR daily life.
> You are fine example and I support your candidacy because in my
> opinion you belong to those who care and this is the most

important

> thing.
>
> VALE BENE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "titus.aquila" <titus.aquila@>
> wrote:
> > I like your and Titus Sabinus approach very much and hope that

you

> > will succeed in achieving your goals for the benfit of the

Populus

> > Nova Romanum.
>

Salvete Quirites !

With the coming year ,the 10th year of Nova Roma, we should start
collecting ideas for the celebration.

As much as I would like that we all gather for an annual meeting to
celebrate face to face, this might not be possible for everybody,
that's why I come up with the following idea:

Let's produce a Video Broadcast for 2761 A.U.C. thus all citizens
worldwide can contribute and participate. How about this ?

Valete
Titus Flavius Aquila
Scriba Censoris GFBM
Tribunus Plebis Candidatus