Cato M. Iulio Severo sal.

Salve Iulius Severus!

I would suggest you consider the following:


Toloache, on 50th St.

Maya, on First Ave.

Rosa Mexicano, on First Ave. (not the one on the West Side - nothing
good ever comes from the West Side)

Suenos, on 17th St.

Mi Cocina, on Hudson St.

Mercadito, on Ave. B



vale,

Cato





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Severus
<marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:

>
> Severus Cato omnibusque sal.
>
> When you state that "we have some of the finest Mexican cooking in

the world here in NYC", sure you're not talking about Taco Bell...

> Seriously, I still have to find a really first class Mexican

restaurant in the United States. You have some good, even very good...
Not too many, to be precise. But "some of the best Mexican cooking in
the world"? That sound a little bit exaggerated to me, amice...

>
> Vale bene,
>
> SEVERVS
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Salvete

This election brakedown was requested by a number of citizens

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consul

COMITIA CENTURIATA

37 Centuries voting
19 Centuries required

Censor:

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: 19 Centuries (one tie)
Marca Hortensia Maior: 10 Centuries (3 ties)

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is elected Censor

Consul:

19 centuries required for first round

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: 19 Centuries (4
ties)
Titus Iulius Sabinus: 18 Centuries (4 ties)

Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus captures first
round and is elected Senior Consul.

Second Round:

12 voided centuries from First Round .
13 Centuries required to win second round

Titus Iulius Sabinus: 17 Centuries plus 5 remaining
ties.

Titus Iulius Sabinus is elected Junior Consul


Praetor

Again 19 centuries to win first round

Marcus Curiatus Complutensis: 19 Centuries (11 ties)
Marcus Iulius Severus: 15 Centuries (6 ties)

Marcus Curiatus Complutensis wins first round of the
Praetorship tallies.

Second Round

17 void Centuries from first round.
11 Centuries required to win second round.

Marcus Iulius Severus: 14 Centuries (2 ties)

Thoughts on Antiquity reports:

"The piece in English can be found here
<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/opinion/03mount.html?ex=1354424400&en\
=dc7f9aa32276a99f&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink> . The
Latin version is here
<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/opinion/03mount-latin.html?_r=1&oref=\
slogin> . This is rare for a paper like the NY Times.

AT first glance, it doesn't seem tragic that our leaders don't
study Latin anymore. But it is no coincidence that the
professionalization of politics — which encourages budding
politicians to think of education as mere career preparation — has
occurred during an age of weak rhetoric, shifting moral values, clumsy
grammar and a terror of historical references and eternal values that
the Romans could teach us a thing or two about. As they themselves might
have said, "Roma urbs aeterna; Latina lingua aeterna."


Primum, duces nostros linguam Latinam non iam studere triste non
videtur. Sed reipublicae artem - quae principes iuvenes educationem
praeparationem pro curriculo considerare excitat — cum rhetorica
exigua, moribus infirmis, grammatica inepta et rationis historicae metu
congruissse fors non est; aeterna de quibus Romani nos multum docere
possunt. Romani ipsi dicunt, Roma urbs aeterna; Latina lingua aeterna.

And thanks to Irene Hahn
<http://romanhistorybooks.typepad.com/roman_history_books_and_m/2007/12/\
a-vote-for-lati.html> for mentioning it."




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Perhaps, however, we have the finest New Mexican food in the universe. Not the same as Mexican food.

Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote: Cato T. A. Germanico sal.

Salve Germanus.

I'll have you know we have some of the finest Mexican cooking in the
world here in NYC!



Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, bill segura wrote:
>
> Gumbo? In Nashville? Thats like eating tacos in Manhattan.
> Thanks for the invite though. If you like religious sites come to
New Mexico. Ours date back
> to the 16th century. I will have a Lars Tetens Happy Cuba and a
bottle of Back Maple Hill
> Burbon.
> T.A. Germanicus
>
> "Patrick D. Owen"
wrote:
> Aurelianus Germanico sal.
>
> Buy your own blasted ballcap from CafePress! Unless you are playing
> baseball, I have never understood why everybody likes baseball
> caps. They don't keep the weather off and you always burn the back
> of your neck. I prefer panamas in the summer and Stetsons or
> borsolinos in the winter. Keeps my skin young, it does!
>
> Why don't you come up to the Nashville in Austrorientalis sometime
> and we'll go out for some Irish music, cigars, booze, and I'll show
> you around the religious sites. We can talk reform and discuss the
> finer points of the Religio and good plebeian cooking. You like
> pulses in your gumbo?
>
> Vale.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, bill segura wrote:
> >
> > We are not virtual people. We function as NR people outside of the
> internet.
> > If you want to issue something, issue a ball cap.....at least it
> would be useful
> > Respectfully
> > T. A. Germanicus
> >
> > PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> > The purpose of a membership/citizenship card is to provide a
> physical sign
> > that Nova Roma has taken a step to out of the internet NR world
> into the real
> > world that we all inhabit. It demonstrates that our organization
> is able to
> > give the citizens of our organization something tangible to have
> that ties
> > them to one another. Some individuals have the ability to consider
> themselves
> > part of Nova Roma without a tangible object but others need to
> have some
> > physical object or be able to attend an event/meeting/conventus so
> that they may
> > interact with others. It is the nature of human beings that most
> of us
> > require the social and intellectual intercourse with one another
> so as to
> > reinforce the feeling of belonging to a group of like-minded
> people.
> >
> > In the real world, we know that we are part of a country by the
> daily use of
> > our currency, seeing our flag being flown, speaking our native
> language, and
> > enjoying the day-to-day intercourse with other individuals with
> who we are
> > bound by national, regional, local, social, and spiritual ties.
> >
> > In Nova Roma, we are just beginning to be able to do this by
> displaying the
> > NR flag or emblem, have NR currency, put up an NR calendar, and
> (in some
> > areas) attending NR events where we can enjoy the normal
> intercourse and exchange
> > that we enjoy in our everyday lives.
> >
> > Of course, this is just my opinion.
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> >
> >
> >
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I would suggest Charlie's in Las Vegas New Mexico ( the original Las Vegas) on Douglas Ave. Or the Frontier on Central in Albuquerque for a more recognizable taste of NM.
Hard core? try Garcias on 4th in Albuquerque. None of them as good as mom's. but very good.

Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:
Cato M. Iulio Severo sal.

Salve Iulius Severus!

I would suggest you consider the following:


Toloache, on 50th St.

Maya, on First Ave.

Rosa Mexicano, on First Ave. (not the one on the West Side - nothing
good ever comes from the West Side)

Suenos, on 17th St.

Mi Cocina, on Hudson St.

Mercadito, on Ave. B



vale,

Cato





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Severus
wrote:

>
> Severus Cato omnibusque sal.
>
> When you state that "we have some of the finest Mexican cooking in

the world here in NYC", sure you're not talking about Taco Bell...

> Seriously, I still have to find a really first class Mexican

restaurant in the United States. You have some good, even very good...
Not too many, to be precise. But "some of the best Mexican cooking in
the world"? That sound a little bit exaggerated to me, amice...

>
> Vale bene,
>
> SEVERVS
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Severus Cato sal.

Thanks a lot for the suggestions... I'll try some of them as soon as possible, and I'll let you know my impressions. (I have been already at Maya and Rosa Mexicano... They are reasonably good. Period.)

Vale bene,

SEVERVS


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Maior Severo Catonique sal;
oh I am laughing. As someone who has eaten in Mexico City,
*bliss*, and in San Miguel Allende, *bliss squared*. Forget it. What
they sell in upper North America, does not come close to the taste,
sophistication, diversity of real Mexican cuisine(s).

I suggest we hold an American conventus is Provincia Mexico so
Severus can prove me right:)!
a bowl of Tlalpeño soup please....¡me gusta hablar con mis
amigos Novos Romanos y comer los comidos fantasticos!
Maior

>
> I would suggest you consider the following:
>
>
> Toloache, on 50th St.
>
> Maya, on First Ave.
>
> Rosa Mexicano, on First Ave. (not the one on the West Side -

nothing

> good ever comes from the West Side)
>
> Suenos, on 17th St.
>
> Mi Cocina, on Hudson St.
>
> Mercadito, on Ave. B
>
>
>
> vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Severus
> <marcusiuliusseverus@> wrote:
> >
> > Severus Cato omnibusque sal.
> >
> > When you state that "we have some of the finest Mexican

cooking in

> the world here in NYC", sure you're not talking about Taco Bell...
> > Seriously, I still have to find a really first class Mexican
> restaurant in the United States. You have some good, even very

good...

> Not too many, to be precise. But "some of the best Mexican cooking

in

> the world"? That sound a little bit exaggerated to me, amice...
> >
> > Vale bene,
> >
> > SEVERVS
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

T.Flavius Aquila M.Moravi Piscino salutem plurimam dicit

Salve M Moravius Piscinus Consul designatus

I am just reading through my eMails and I have just read your statement to open up the first senate
session of the new year with a rite to honor Jupiter as the Patronus of the senate. This is an excellent idea and
I fully support your approach. As well we should honor Victoria . I would like to request that both
eternal gods being honored before every senate session commence, so for the patres et conscripti to remember,
whom we have to be grateful for Roma and Nova Roma and that the rites will continue for the wellbeing of Nova Roma.

Thank you again

Vale optime
Titus Flavius Aquila
Tribunus Plebis designatus
Scriba Censoris CFBM


----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: marcushoratius <mhoratius@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 29. November 2007, 13:36:29 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: Religion

Salvete Luci Iuli, cultores Deorum et alii

In all of the discussions over the thread on what Novae Romani want,
your post was the most pertinent, and yet almost lost. Why have a
membership card in an organization that does little or nothing? Why
pay your support if nothing is provided in return? While we look
forward to a day when Nova Roma can hold civic assemblies, sponsor
legiones and scholarship funds, host cultores Deorum worshipping
together in our own fana, it is still the needs of our Citizens today
that should be a concern and a priority. One thing that Nova Roma
can provide now, and the one thing that has generally attracted new
members to Nova Roma, is its ability to provide information through
its website.

The first responsibility of our sacerdotes should be to instruct our
citizenry on the religio Romana, demonstrate how to perform ritu
Romani,and be in the forefront of organizing cultus for others in
their area to participate. This is the way to serve the Gods, to
assist the cultores Deorum who seek Them. It makes little sense to
fill up artificial religious offices when focus is not given to
building a community of cultores Deorum to support such offices or to
serve the Gods. And of course we need individual sacerdotes who are
actively engaged in providing something for their fellow cultores
Deorum.

Some of the Pontifices have utterly abandoned their
responsibilities. By their own decretum they are required to vote in
a a minimumu of one-third of the sessions of the Collegium
Pontificum, and in addition they must:

"Pontifices must uphold a minimum level of 'public' activity outside
the Collegium each year. This public activity must include no less
than six serious religious posts to a Nova Roma forum in a year, OR
one 'religious project'."

There are pontifices who do not vote, who do not appear at sessions
of the Collegium at all. In the most recent session of the Collegium
Pontificum one gave as his excuse that he was under the influence of
Bacchus. Being on a drunken binge over the several days that a
session is held is no excuse for anyone to neglect the duties that
he, before the Gods, had proclaimed to perform. Since the Collegium
instituted a quorum, they have not had enough pontifices meet to have
a quorum. Applications go unconsidered. New priests are not
appointed. Those who are rejected are never informed whether an
attempt was made to vote on their application. And of course
questions put before the Collegeium for clarification go unanswered.
The Collegium Pontificum no longer functions as a collegium because
some have neglected their duties, and the greatest fault, sadly, is
with the Pontifex Maximus who has practically abandoned his
responsibility to lead.

Since the decretum on minimum requirements was first issued in 2002,
how many of the Pontifices have met that requirement of "no less than
six serious religious posts to a Nova Roma forum in a year"? As
flamen Martialis, L. Equitius Cincinnatus does post at each of the
festivals for Mars, and the flamines minores, myself among them, do
post on the festivals for their respective deities. But one flamen
maior has never, and the Collegium Pontificum cannot decide what to
do about appointing a flamen Dialis. If the Pontifices did fulfill
the responsibility that they have placed upon themselves, then surely
the religio section of the NRwiki would begin to fill, providing
information that our cultores Deorum desire and that will attract
more Citizens to Nova Roma. As for other "religious projects" that
can take in a wide scope of activity. Certainly performing public
rites could be considered, and a couple of pontifices do just that.
Pontifex Caecilius Metellus has attempted to begin religious
projects, getting little or no cooperation from others in the
Collegium. Pontifex Astur has worked on the provincial level with
the performance of public rites and in training others in the religio
Romana. Others Pontifices, however, have never performed a single
ritual publicly, any more than offered in depth, "serious religious
posts." One wonders why some would cling so to a title for which
duties they have abandoned, while using such titles merely to deny
others who could be doing what is needed.

The Collegium Augurium likewise does not function as a collegium. It
has two members alone, and they do not speak to one another except to
trade insults. There have been applications by myself and Galerius
Aurelianus to join the Collegium Augurium, but that decision is with
the Collegium Pontificum and only three pontifices showed up for the
session, so a quorum was not met and no decision made. The augures,
G. Fabius Modianus and L. Equitius Cincinnatus perform their duties
as augures when asked by magistrates to assist, but no progress is
being made on developing the ius augurum for Nova Roma, or of
instructing others on how they should perform such rites.

I have to agree with you on the nature of some who desire a title and
never do anything more once they have aquired it. The case in point
is our sole vir sacris faciundis. We haven't heard from him since he
was appointed, disturbing because twice before he has abandoned the
religio Romana when, so he stated, he was "called by the Teutonic
Gods."

One area that needs developing, that can have a greater impact on
developing Nova Roma as a whole, would be to train sacerdotes for the
provinciae. Here is where cultores Deorum can meet in worship
together locally and begin to build the kind of communities needed to
really construct the institutions of the religio, from the ground
up. Sacerdotes have been appointed in some provinciae, I know
because I had them as students in my classes on Roman ritual at the
Academia Thules. This is one area in which I intend to work more in
the coming months. I and my colleague next year, Titus Iulius
Sabinus, shall be working with the governors of the various
provinciae on a multitude of issues, and a program to train
provincial sacerdotes will be a priority for me as Consul.

So where we stand now, with a disfunctioning Collegium Pontificum, is
that cultores Deorum are left to provide for one another, without
direction, without guidence, because those who set themselves up as
head of the religio in Nova Roma were, the first place, unqualified
and have since been incapable or unwilling to fulfill their duties.
The cultores Deorum will have to take action on their own as even
those Pontifices who have tried to perform their duties are impeded
by the others who do not.

Valete et vadete in pace Deorum
M Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "luciusjul25" <luciusjul25@ ...>
wrote:

>
> Salve Nova Romans,
>
>
> After some recent research of the links provided by Nova Roma I

have

> noticed that a lot of the information on the websites are either
> incomplete or not done at all. Specifically, many links have no
> information about the Gods except for a select few. The links to

the

> Gods information have said "Info Coming Soon" for quite a long

time,

> even since I first joined Nova Roma. I believe there are priests

for

> a certain reason and I feel that the priests of Nova Roma aren't
> doing enough to update information about the Gods. They are there

for

> our guidance and to post information concerning the Gods, household
> gods, and rituals in relation to them. One of the reasons I joined
> Nova Roma was to obtain a greater aspect of the religion and also
> believe that people just like the titles given to them and do not

do

> anything pertaining to their field. With all due respect to those

who

> do take their appointments seriously, totally disregard this post

and

> I know that I am not the only one who feels this way. There need to
> be some changes as soon as possible so that all citizens can enjoy
> this way of life....
>
> Vale Bene,
> Lucius Iulius Regulus
>

Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? www.yahoo.de/mail

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Salve.
"David Kling (Modianus)" tau.athanasios@... athanasiosofspfd
Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:53 pm (PST)
wrote:
"Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Fl. Galerio Aurelio salutem dicit
You are referrering to Appius Claudius Cicero, Italian citizen of Nova
Roma since late 2005, and a capite censi. He couldn't have run for
office, he is not an assidui. But he seems to favor Italian
nationalism over Nova Roma's international orientation.
Vale:
Caeso Buteo"
I favor Roma's international orientation over Nova Roma's american slavery.
Vale
ACC

Perhaps you should get for facts straight.

We have tribunes coming into office from all over the world. We have
a Romanian and an American consular team, and praetores from Spain and
Mexico. We have incoming aediles from the Czech Republic and France.

Therefore, I conclude that you are full of crap with your claim of
American slavery.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Dec 3, 2007 5:18 PM, Claudio Guzzo <claudio.guzzo@...> wrote:
>
> Salve.
> "David Kling (Modianus)" tau.athanasios@... athanasiosofspfd
> Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:53 pm (PST)
> wrote:
> "Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Fl. Galerio Aurelio salutem dicit
> You are referrering to Appius Claudius Cicero, Italian citizen of Nova
> Roma since late 2005, and a capite censi. He couldn't have run for
> office, he is not an assidui. But he seems to favor Italian
> nationalism over Nova Roma's international orientation.
> Vale:
> Caeso Buteo"
> I favor Roma's international orientation over Nova Roma's american slavery.
> Vale
> ACC

A. Tullia Scholastica quirítibus, sociís, peregrínísque bonae voluntátis
S.P.D.



My student (and Avitus' as well) and new citizen-in-training V.
Petronius Acisculus has provided me with the links below endorsing the study
of Latin. The Latin text is perhaps not the best piece of composition, with
typos and other errors, but it gets the job done.

Other than classics conventions and the like, I have never been, or
seen, any place where Latin is honored more than in NR.

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Subject: A Vote For Latin

Acisculus Scholasticae spd

In case you haven't seen it yet, the New York Times has an op-ed
today called "A Vote For Latin," in both Latin and English, at:



<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/opinion/03mount-latin.html?ref=opinion>

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/opinion/03mount.html?ref=opinion>



Vale!

=======

Valete!

Salve

I will reply to the following points listed below

III. The power to create shrines and temples, both virtual *or even
temporal*, and administer them with almost complete autonomy. (So long
as basic
ground rules are adhered to.)

REPLY: costs money ( see reply on donations about this)


V. The power to market to the Citizens of NR for cult practitioners,
volunteers, worshippers, and even donations;

REPLY : warning LONG

with respect to donations; most states here in the USA ( yes i have
checked with most; 32 at last count) need a org to file with the state
before it can go out and ask for any donations. some the info needed
in said filing is the fed tax ID # for said org ( I have for 7 years
asked



each set of new Consuls for that time and again that I needed that
info and a piece of paperwork from the BOARD OF DIRECTOR'S of Novaroma
inc, {I.E. the Senate} for this I told the CP about this 5 times,

each time I was told no I do not need this info/ or no we the Consuls
do not have it. and when they have it they have not sent it.
I have said I would cover the cost of the filing fee's ( about $25 a year)

this has stop my plans dead for many years there are stuff I can do if
I could file with the oregon. like hold a roman days fair / no can do
till we file.if we going to ask for donations at said fair.

I have to turn away money for my temple cus said temple is not filed
in oregon the NON-PROFIT CORPORATION of Novaroma inc nor the temple of
Mercurius nor the office of Sacerdotus Provincia America
Boreoccidentalis I would be happy to paythe filing fee's for all this
but need info and paperwork from the BOARD OF DIRECTOR'S of Novaroma
inc, {I.E. the Senate} saying i may do the filing.

even if i am just was sending the checks that people give me into the
P.O. box in Maine i still have to have a paperwork on file with the
state of oregon Department of Justice After registering with the
Charitable Activities Section, financial reports are required on an
annual basis. Additional licensing and reporting requirements may be
imposed by the State or other jurisdictions depending upon the
charitable purpose of the organization. The following information
includes the basic requirements for most charities either beginning or
sustaining operations within the State. the following comes from the
oregon Oregon Department of Justice site

"Public benefit nonprofit corporations include entities which hold
tax-exempt status from the Internal Revenue Service under Section
501(c)(3) and other groups organized for a public or charitable
purposes. Public benefit nonprofit corporations must include a clause
in their articles of incorporation stipulating that on dissolution of
the corporation, its assets will be distributed to another entity
organized for a public or charitable purpose, to a religious
corporation, to the United States, to a state, or to an organization
which is tax exempt under Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c)(3).
Examples of public benefit nonprofit corporations include charities,
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* The nature and quantity of bookkeeping;
* The ability of the organization to obtain grants and other types
of contributions.

Additional research and consultation with professional tax and legal
advisors is highly recommended before determining the appropriate
legal form for the organization. If the organization decides to
incorporate, the necessary forms should be obtained from the
Corporation Division, www.sos.state.or.us, or (503) 986-2200.

Please note that Oregon law recognizes three types of nonprofit
corporations: Mutual Benefit, Public Benefit, and Religious nonprofit
corporations. New corporations must declare the type in the Articles
of Incorporation. If an organization does not choose the appropriate
type for the corporation in light of its purpose and dissolution
clause, the Oregon Department of Justice may require amendment of the
Articles of Incorporation to the correct type. The Charitable
Activities Section is available to assist with the determination.
Please call (971) 673-1880 to request assistance.

* Public benefit nonprofit corporations include entities which
hold tax-exempt status from the Internal Revenue Service under Section
501(c)(3) and other groups organized for a public or charitable
purposes. Public benefit nonprofit corporations must include a clause
in their articles of incorporation stipulating that on dissolution of
the corporation, its assets will be distributed to another entity
organized for a public or charitable purpose, to a religious
corporation, to the United States, to a state, or to an organization
which is tax exempt under Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c)(3).
Examples of public benefit nonprofit corporations include charities,
social service organizations, schools, foundations, and scientific and
research organizations.
* Religious nonprofit corporations include those organized
primarily or exclusively for religious purposes. Examples of religious
nonprofit corporations include synagogues, churches and other places
of worship.
* Mutual benefit nonprofit corporations include all other
nonprofit corporations, which are not classified as public benefit or
religious corporations. Mutual benefit corporations are typically
organized for the benefit of the organization's membership. Examples
of mutual benefit nonprofit corporations include social clubs,
business leagues, and veterans groups.

Obtaining Tax Exempt Status — The TE/GE Division of the Internal
Revenue Service

In order to avoid the imposition of federal and state income taxes,
nonprofit organizations must apply to obtain tax-exempt status from
the Internal Revenue Service. (Tax-exempt status does not
automatically result from nonprofit status.) Certain tax-exempt status
determinations also allow donors to deduct the value of gifts to
tax-exempt corporations on their tax returns. Whether to obtain
tax-exempt status, and the type to pursue, are issues best decided
upon consultation with a tax advisor. A fee (sometimes as much as
$900) must accompany applications for tax-exempt status. Additional
information can be obtained from the Internal Revenue Service by
visiting the IRS web site, www.irs.gov, and following the links to
"Information for Tax-Exempt Organizations," or calling the IRS at
1-877-829-5500 (toll-free).
Registering a Charity with the State of Oregon — The Charitable
Activities Section of the Department of Justice

Oregon law charges the Attorney General with the duty and
responsibility to represent the public's interest in connection with
assets held for charitable purposes. The Attorney General carries out
this responsibility by requiring organizations holding such assets
and/or soliciting in Oregon to register and file periodic financial
reports.

Generally, corporations or trusts which hold assets, solicit donations
or conduct activities on behalf of a charitable purpose in the state
of Oregon will be required to register with the Charitable Activities
Section of the Department of Justice. A corporation or trust granted
tax-exempt status by the Internal Revenue Service under section
501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code is presumed to be organized for
a charitable purpose. More specifically, the following organizations
must register:

* All corporations organized under the laws of the state of Oregon
for charitable purposes must register. This includes, but is not
limited to, any corporation registered with the Oregon Secretary of
State as a nonprofit, public benefit corporation.
* All corporations organized under the laws of any state
jurisdiction other than Oregon and doing business, holding assets or
soliciting in the state of Oregon.
* All trustees which hold property or an interest in property in
trust for a charitable purpose. Such trusts include charitable
remainder trusts and lead trusts.
"

"Maintaining the Corporation — The Corporation Division of the Oregon
Secretary of State's Office

In order to maintain the legal status of the charitable corporation,
an annual report must be filed with the Secretary of State's office
each year on the anniversary of the filing of the Articles of
Incorporation. While the Corporation Division will send a form for
this purpose to the address of record, it is the organization's
responsibility to ensure that it is received and filed with the
appropriate fee. Involuntary dissolution of the corporation will
proceed if the forms are not filed within 45 days of the anniversary
date. Major changes that occur after the annual report has been filed
(e.g. officers, federal I.D. numbers, etc.) will require the filing of
an amendment to the annual report. Also, it is possible to reinstate a
corporation after it has been dissolved. Direct any questions
regarding annual reports to the Corporation Division,
www.sos.state.or.us, or (503) 986-2200.

Filing Informational Tax Returns — The TE/GE Division of the Internal
Revenue Service"

Filing Annual Financial Reports — The Charitable Activities Section of
the Oregon Department of Justice

All organizations registered with the Charitable Activities Section of
the Oregon Department of Justice must file annual financial reports
unless otherwise exempt from reporting requirements. Annual reports
are due four months and fifteen days after the close of the
organization's fiscal year. The Department may grant an extension of
up to 90 days if requested on or before the due date. A sliding scale
fee, based on the organization's assets and revenue, must accompany
the annual report. Federal law requires organizations filing IRS Form
990-PF to file a copy of the form with the Charitable Activities
Section even if the organization receives an exemption from Oregon
reporting requirements. Other organizations must submit copies of
their informational tax returns along with their annual reports.




also we must file with the Corporation Division of the sec of state
as a corp ( i will cover the fee)

till this happens I can not ask for money in oregon so no plans of
what i want to do with the temple will move.

when Novaroma wants the RELIGIO to go anywhere in oregon they will
let me know and give me what i need.

and yes i checked with lawyers and they said this is how it must go.
vale

Marcus Cornelius Felix

--
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

Edictum censoris de censu anni MMDCCLX

Introduction:

The purpose of the 2007 Census of Nova Roma was to effectively
determine who is and who is not an active citizen. Multiple attempts
were made to contact citizens and those who responded were counted and
those who did not respond have had their status changed to
disappeared. The results of the Census are broken down by status,
order, and gender. Status being Assidui, a tax payer; Capite Censi, a
non-tax payer; and minor, a citizen who has not yet reached eighteen
years of age. Additional analysis of the census material will be done
at a later date to include provincial breakdown and trends.

Results:

Active Nova Roma Citizens: 718

Citizens by Status:
35% Assidui – 62% Capite Censi – 3% Minor.
Assidui: 250. 35% of our total citizenry are Assidui.
Capite Censi: 446. 62% of our total citizenry are Capite Censi.
Minor: 22. 3% of our total citizenry are Minores.

Citizens by Order:

19% Patrician – 81% Plebeians.

Patricians: 138. 19% of total citizenry are Patrican..
Patrician Assidui: 67. 49% of all Patricians are Assidui.
Patrician Capite Censi: 65. 47% of all Patricians are Capite Censi.
Patrician Minores: 6. 4% of all Patricians are Minores.

Plebeians: 580. 81% of total citizenry are Plebeian.
Plebeian Assidui: 183. 31% of all Plebeians are Assidui.
Plebeian Capite Censi: 381. 66% of all Plebeians are Capite Censi.
Plebeian Minores: 16. 3% of all Plebeians are Minores.

Citizens by Gender:

81% Male – 19% Female.

Male: 585. 81% of total citizenry are Male.
Male Assidui: 187. 32% of all male citizens are Assidui.
Male Capite Censi: 382. 65% of all male citizens are Capite Censi.
Male Minores: 16. 3% of all male citizens are minors.

Female: 133.
Female Assidui: 63. 47% of all female citizens are Assidui.
Female Capite Censi: 64. 48% of all female citizens are Capite Censi.
Female Minores: 6. 5% of all female citizens are minors.

Organization of the Census:

The census was organized and conducted under the supervision of Censor
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus along with his colleague Censor Marcus
Octavius Gracchus with the assistance of four primary scribae: Marca
Hortensia Maior, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, Gnaeus Equitius
Marinus, and Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus. Support assistance came from
the rest of the censorial staff: Marcus Curiatius Complutensis,
Marcus Iulius Severus, Titus Flavius Aquila, Titus Arminius Genialis,
and Publius Constantinus Placidus. Additional assistance was provided
by the provincial governors and their assistance is very much
appreciated.

Conducting the Census:

The census was conducted on many levels. An initial edict was issued
in late October calling for the citizens to respond to the census. On
two separate occasions mass e-mail was sent to every citizen who had
not responded to the census. Between these two mass e-mails,
generated through the Nova Roma database by Censor & Magister
Arenearius Marcus Octavius Gracchus , non-responsive citizens were
contacted directly by Censor Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus through a new
e-mail account established specifically for the census
(census.novaroma@...) . Additionally, provincial governors were
asked directly by Censor Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus to participate in
conducting the census and that too generated response.

Lex Popillia Senatoria:

Per section I.a of Lex Popillia Senatoria the maximum number of
senatores shall be 38.

Authority:

Constitution of Nova Roma Sections II.A. 4 and IV.A.1.b
Lex Fabia de Censu. 31 May 2003
Edictum Ces. K. Fabii Buteoni Modiani De Censu Anni MMDCCLX. 27 October 2007
Lex Popillia senatoria. 01 December 2005
Lex Galeria de Census. 01 December 2007

M. Hortensia G. Petronio spd;
une question très intéressante mon ami je vais la poser tout de
suite.
G. Petronius Dexter wanted to know why Cybele, a foreign
deity, was chosen for a project and not the traditional Capitoline
Triad?

Je vais aussi exposer quelque-chose d'importance. La vue européene.
Imaginez-vous entourer par les temples qui sont devenues églises;
nulle rétourné.
La religion est établie en plusiers des pays, la paganisme doit se
lutter contre la culture chrétienne du monde ancién qu'en le monde
nouveau -les amériques. Pour les Americaines l'église et l' état
sont séparés. Au meme tempes ils existent les Islamistes
intégristes...Si on exprime colére contre la christianisme dans un
forum paienne, c'est notre place, comprenez la situation courante en
Europe.(moi je suis habité en Irlande pour 7 ans, je suis
américaine; je suis européene; je suis paienne!)

I am going to outline something most North Americans don't
understand: the European point of view.
Try to imagine seeing Roman temples every day that are all turned
into churches, and not even one returned! Try to realize that many
countries in Europe have established churches, that paganism has to
fight for a place, not like the easy one it has in Canada, the U.S.
the Americas.....At the same time Europe has a big problem with
Islamic fundamentalism.

So when you hear frustration and anger against christianity voiced
here in a pagan forum, our place, try to develop some understanding
of their current situation.
bene valete in pacem deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior

> G.Petronius Dexter omnibus civibus Novae Romae S.P.D,
>
> Ex patribus conscriptis exquiro quare in templo Magnae Matri
> restituendo imprimis nos opes et operam ponere vellent ? Etenim

Magna

> Mater quasi inquilina dea est, M. Cornelio Cethego P. Sempronio
> Tuditano coss navi Romam importata et in templo Victoriae locata

est.

>
> Je demande aux Pères Conscrits pourquoi veulent-ils que nous

donnions

> notre peine et nos ressources à restituer le temple de Magna

Mater ?

> Cybele est comme une déesse locataire, elle fut apportée à Rome en
> bâteau sous les consuls M. Cornelius Cethegus et P. Sempronius
> Tuditanus (204 BC) et fut logée dans le temple de la victoire.
>
> Quare non a principio inchoemus ? Quare triadem Capitolinam non
> restituemus (Jovem et Junonem et Minervam)?
>
> Pourquoi ne pas commencer par le début ? Pourquoi ne restituerons-

nous

> pas la Triade Capitoline (Juppiter, Junon, Minerve) ?
>
> Curate ut valeatis.
>
> G. Petronius Dexter.
>

Salve!

Creating an online temple can cost nothing, or very little depending
on how you want to do it. For example look at the virtual temples from
our Nova Britannia sacerdotes:

Minerva: http://novabritannia.org/temple.html

Apollo: http://www.templeapollo.com/index.html

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <vallenporter@...> wrote:
>
> Salve
>
> I will reply to the following points listed below
>
> III. The power to create shrines and temples, both virtual *or even
> temporal*, and administer them with almost complete autonomy. (So long
> as basic
> ground rules are adhered to.)
>
> REPLY: costs money ( see reply on donations about this)
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Anniae Minuciae Marcellae salutem dicit

I can call my living room a basilica but that doesn't make it a
majestic hall. You can call a website a temple, but that doesn't take
away from the fact that it is still a website.

Vale:

Caeso Buteo

On Dec 3, 2007 6:21 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
>
> Salve!
>
> Creating an online temple can cost nothing, or very little depending
> on how you want to do it. For example look at the virtual temples from
> our Nova Britannia sacerdotes:
>
> Minerva: http://novabritannia.org/temple.html
>
> Apollo: http://www.templeapollo.com/index.html
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella

Salve,

And? I don't see your point. Of course it's a website, that's why I
said "online temple" and "virtual temple". You easily dismiss this as
a mere website, but it's really better than nothing at all. You can
learn about the deity, about the rituals, find others who believe like
you do etc.

Would you just as easily dismiss Nova Roma's website as well?

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Anniae Minuciae Marcellae salutem dicit
>
> I can call my living room a basilica but that doesn't make it a
> majestic hall. You can call a website a temple, but that doesn't take
> away from the fact that it is still a website.
>
> Vale:
>
> Caeso Buteo
>
> On Dec 3, 2007 6:21 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve!
> >
> > Creating an online temple can cost nothing, or very little depending
> > on how you want to do it. For example look at the virtual temples

from

> > our Nova Britannia sacerdotes:
> >
> > Minerva: http://novabritannia.org/temple.html
> >
> > Apollo: http://www.templeapollo.com/index.html
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Annia Minucia Marcella
>

Agricola Dextri S.P.D.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
<jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

>
> G.Petronius Dexter omnibus civibus Novae Romae S.P.D,
>

[ Excisions ]

>
> Quare non a principio inchoemus ? Quare triadem Capitolinam non
> restituemus (Jovem et Junonem et Minervam)?
>

Have you seen our coinage?
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Sestertius_signum That is something, isn't it?

Optime vale!

SALVE!

The virtual Temple of Mercurius already exist:
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Temple-of-Mercurius.htm

(BTW, cives, you can leave a personal prayer there!)

I guess, Marcus Cornelius, the Temple Sacerdos, is interested about a real temple in his area and this is good thought.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
Salve!

Creating an online temple can cost nothing, or very little depending
on how you want to do it. For example look at the virtual temples from
our Nova Britannia sacerdotes:

Minerva: http://novabritannia.org/temple.html

Apollo: http://www.templeapollo.com/index.html

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <vallenporter@...> wrote:
>
> Salve
>
> I will reply to the following points listed below
>
> III. The power to create shrines and temples, both virtual *or even
> temporal*, and administer them with almost complete autonomy. (So long
> as basic
> ground rules are adhered to.)
>
> REPLY: costs money ( see reply on donations about this)
>






"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius





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Salve!

I'm pretty sure we're all interested in a real temple ;)

I would think, if there's enough religio practitioners, that one could
utilize a UU church for ceremonial purposes until a temple could be
built. I don't know if there is one available at all areas, though.

Also, is it possible to have outdoor rites?


Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>
wrote:

>
> SALVE!
>
> The virtual Temple of Mercurius already exist:
> http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Temple-of-Mercurius.htm
>
> (BTW, cives, you can leave a personal prayer there!)
>
> I guess, Marcus Cornelius, the Temple Sacerdos, is interested

about a real temple in his area and this is good thought.

>
> VALE BENE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
> Salve!
>
> Creating an online temple can cost nothing, or very little depending
> on how you want to do it. For example look at the virtual temples from
> our Nova Britannia sacerdotes:
>
> Minerva: http://novabritannia.org/temple.html
>
> Apollo: http://www.templeapollo.com/index.html
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <vallenporter@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve
> >
> > I will reply to the following points listed below
> >
> > III. The power to create shrines and temples, both virtual *or even
> > temporal*, and administer them with almost complete autonomy. (So long
> > as basic
> > ground rules are adhered to.)
> >
> > REPLY: costs money ( see reply on donations about this)
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" -

Appius Claudius

>
>
>
>
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I certainly see immense value in our web presence. But the Gods
should be honored through offerings and supplication. A website is no
substitute to offerings, but they are valuable and do serve a great
purpose. I meant no offense, I simply do not like the term "virtual
temple."

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Dec 3, 2007 6:33 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> And? I don't see your point. Of course it's a website, that's why I
> said "online temple" and "virtual temple". You easily dismiss this as
> a mere website, but it's really better than nothing at all. You can
> learn about the deity, about the rituals, find others who believe like
> you do etc.
>
> Would you just as easily dismiss Nova Roma's website as well?
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella

SALVE AMICA!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@...>
wrote:

> I'm pretty sure we're all interested in a real temple ;)>>>

I know. The virtual ones are important from the reasons you already
explained.
You are fortunate because you live in an area where freedom of
religion exists. Somehow, here exist, too, but without the same
flexibility of the people mind. The great expectation comes from US
area.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

SALVETE!

Congratulations to our Censors and their stuff for excellent job.

To the first look it seems we lost in the last two years 128 active
citizens but we have more assidui.
For me our taxes are more a problem of affiliation, the material
expression of dedication and passion. From this point of view it
seems we are on the right way.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Edictum censoris de censu anni MMDCCLX
>
> Introduction:
>
> The purpose of the 2007 Census of Nova Roma was to effectively
> determine who is and who is not an active citizen. Multiple

attempts

> were made to contact citizens and those who responded were counted

and

> those who did not respond have had their status changed to
> disappeared. The results of the Census are broken down by status,
> order, and gender. Status being Assidui, a tax payer; Capite

Censi, a

> non-tax payer; and minor, a citizen who has not yet reached

eighteen

> years of age. Additional analysis of the census material will be

done

> at a later date to include provincial breakdown and trends.
>
> Results:
>
> Active Nova Roma Citizens: 718
>
> Citizens by Status:
> 35% Assidui – 62% Capite Censi – 3% Minor.
> Assidui: 250. 35% of our total citizenry are Assidui.
> Capite Censi: 446. 62% of our total citizenry are Capite Censi.
> Minor: 22. 3% of our total citizenry are Minores.

Listen to Cato. He knows what he's talking about. In fact (at the risk of sounding like a chauvinistic New Yorker), I would bet that NYC has probably got the best and most varied restaurants in the world.

Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote: Cato T. A. Germanico sal.

Salve Germanus.

I'll have you know we have some of the finest Mexican cooking in the
world here in NYC!

<grumble>

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, bill segura <bhsegura@...> wrote:
>
> Gumbo? In Nashville? Thats like eating tacos in Manhattan.
> Thanks for the invite though. If you like religious sites come to
New Mexico. Ours date back
> to the 16th century. I will have a Lars Tetens Happy Cuba and a
bottle of Back Maple Hill
> Burbon.
> T.A. Germanicus
>
> "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...> wrote:
> Aurelianus Germanico sal.
>
> Buy your own blasted ballcap from CafePress! Unless you are playing
> baseball, I have never understood why everybody likes baseball
> caps. They don't keep the weather off and you always burn the back
> of your neck. I prefer panamas in the summer and Stetsons or
> borsolinos in the winter. Keeps my skin young, it does!
>
> Why don't you come up to the Nashville in Austrorientalis sometime
> and we'll go out for some Irish music, cigars, booze, and I'll show
> you around the religious sites. We can talk reform and discuss the
> finer points of the Religio and good plebeian cooking. You like
> pulses in your gumbo?
>
> Vale.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, bill segura wrote:
> >
> > We are not virtual people. We function as NR people outside of the
> internet.
> > If you want to issue something, issue a ball cap.....at least it
> would be useful
> > Respectfully
> > T. A. Germanicus
> >
> > PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> > The purpose of a membership/citizenship card is to provide a
> physical sign
> > that Nova Roma has taken a step to out of the internet NR world
> into the real
> > world that we all inhabit. It demonstrates that our organization
> is able to
> > give the citizens of our organization something tangible to have
> that ties
> > them to one another. Some individuals have the ability to consider
> themselves
> > part of Nova Roma without a tangible object but others need to
> have some
> > physical object or be able to attend an event/meeting/conventus so
> that they may
> > interact with others. It is the nature of human beings that most
> of us
> > require the social and intellectual intercourse with one another
> so as to
> > reinforce the feeling of belonging to a group of like-minded
> people.
> >
> > In the real world, we know that we are part of a country by the
> daily use of
> > our currency, seeing our flag being flown, speaking our native
> language, and
> > enjoying the day-to-day intercourse with other individuals with
> who we are
> > bound by national, regional, local, social, and spiritual ties.
> >
> > In Nova Roma, we are just beginning to be able to do this by
> displaying the
> > NR flag or emblem, have NR currency, put up an NR calendar, and
> (in some
> > areas) attending NR events where we can enjoy the normal
> intercourse and exchange
> > that we enjoy in our everyday lives.
> >
> > Of course, this is just my opinion.
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> >
> >
> >
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> I certainly see immense value in our web presence. But the Gods
> should be honored through offerings and supplication.

I wonder if the SPA [(Societe Protectrice des Animaux)I do not know the
American name of an association who protects the animals)] will not
take me to court if I offer an holocaust (sacrifice of 100 cowes/bulls)
to Jupiter... :o))

But fortunately we can honor Gods without animal or human
sacrifices...

Cura ut ualeas.

G.Petronius Dexter.

Dexter Agricolae S.P.D.

>> Have you seen our coinage?
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Sestertius_signum That is something, isn't

it?

Great and very beautiful !

Cura ut valeas.

G.Petronius Dexter.

Salve Dexter,

Gaius Petronius Dexter <jfarnoud94@...> writes:

[...]

> I wonder if the SPA [(Societe Protectrice des Animaux)I do not know the
> American name of an association who protects the animals)]

It's called the SPCA (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) here.

> will not
> take me to court if I offer an holocaust (sacrifice of 100 cows/bulls)
> to Jupiter... :o))

Probably so. Laws vary from place to place, but even the largest
round-up barbeque events in Texas don't slaughter 100 cattle at a
time. On the other hand, nobody's going to raise an eyebrow in most
of the US if you slaughter one bull and roast it over an open fire.

> But fortunately we can honor Gods without animal or human
> sacrifices...

That's true, we can.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve!
>
> Creating an online temple can cost nothing, or very little depending
> on how you want to do it. For example look at the virtual temples from
> our Nova Britannia sacerdotes:
>
> Minerva: http://novabritannia.org/temple.html
>
> Apollo: http://www.templeapollo.com/index.html
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella

Salve
I have a virtual temple up and running / BUT...funny thing
when I took the auspices for said virtual temple i would get back no
not good , till i asked "how about till I can get a real temple
set-up" and then I got the ok. mind it took me three years of asking
till I asked "how about till..." so the Templi Mercurius needs money
for that.we would also need money for selt wine etc.
But I did not post about getting a Creating an online temple.
donations, and hosting fairs so people can get to note we are here.
and that take paperwork to be within the law( city,state,Fed etc,)
as the temple is not filed there gov where it is hosted online or in
the state where i live I may not by law ask for money online via
paypal or whatever. the issue is the Priesthood having the tools ( in
this case the ok and info so they can file paperwork so they can run
temples,ask for money etc.
vale

Marcus Cornelius Felix
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <vallenporter@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve
> >
> > I will reply to the following points listed below
> >
> > III. The power to create shrines and temples, both virtual *or even
> > temporal*, and administer them with almost complete autonomy. (So long
> > as basic
> > ground rules are adhered to.)
> >
> > REPLY: costs money ( see reply on donations about this)
> >
>

Cato A. Tulliae Scholasticae omnibusque SPD

Salve et salvete.

Hooray for the NY Times! By (the) God(s) I love my city!

Vale et valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
<fororom@...> wrote:

>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica quirítibus, sociís, peregrínísque bonae voluntátis
> S.P.D.
>
>
>
> My student (and Avitus' as well) and new citizen-in-training V.
> Petronius Acisculus has provided me with the links below endorsing

the study

> of Latin. The Latin text is perhaps not the best piece of

composition, with

> typos and other errors, but it gets the job done.
>
> Other than classics conventions and the like, I have never been, or
> seen, any place where Latin is honored more than in NR.
>
> ==================
>
> ------ Forwarded Message
>
> Subject: A Vote For Latin
>
> Acisculus Scholasticae spd
>
> In case you haven't seen it yet, the New York Times has an op-ed
> today called "A Vote For Latin," in both Latin and English, at:
>
>
>
>

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/opinion/03mount-latin.html?ref=opinion>

>
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/opinion/03mount.html?ref=opinion>
>
>
>
> Vale!
>
> =======
>
> Valete!
>

Cato M. Hortensiae Maiori A. Minuciae Marcellae M. Cornelio Felico
omnibusque SPD

Salvete omnes.

A couple of points here.

First, Hotensia Maior. The act of re-consecration to the Christian
God has its roots in pagan practices throughout history; it was - and
is - the common practice of a victorious religion to claim the sacred
places of earlier religions as their own, to promote the god (or gods)
of the conquering nation as more powerful than the local deities and
as an inducement to the vanquished population to adopt it (or them) as
their own. This is not a practice peculiar to the Christian Church.
Perhaps you should be thankful that any such edifices actually remain
extant precisely because their re-consecration as Christian places of
worship protected them from destruction over the centuries.

Second, to Cornelius Felix. I would suggest that you put together a
proposal and submit it to the Senate of the Respublica. If approved,
you can then act as the local agent of a legally-incorporated
non-profit institution.

Lastly, to Anna Marcella. There is nothing stopping you from
constructing an actual, physical temple and consecrating it to the
Roman god or goddess of your choice. You can even consecrate a simple
sacred space to the gods and conduct your own private caeremonia to
Them. Gaudete! The Saturnalia is rapidly approaching, with its sense
of unbridled passion and joy. Instead of tolling the funereal bell of
what we do not - or supposedly cannot - do, get out there and practice
your faith, and let others in the Respublica know what you are doing.

Ten thousand furies and serpents! I swear to (the) God(s), if I were
a practitioner I'd be out there, togate, observing the religio with a
passion! It may be easier for me to say because you can't swing a cat
in NYC without hitting an Orthodox Church, but still, be inspired by
the citizens who have created their own sacred spaces. Galerius
Aurelianus, Fabius Modianus, Caecilius Metellus...just to name a few
off the top of my head. Instead of sitting back and whining about how
Christianity puts you down, go out and *do* something.

Valete,

Cato

Cato omnes SPD

Salvete omnes.

Just a note to wish my sincerest congratulations to the newly-elected
magistrates of the Respublica. May (the) God(s) bless you as you give
of your time and energy to our citizens.

A special shout out to Iulius Sabinus, one of the most honorable
people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting and working with.
Sabine, amice, you are truly the embodiment of what is brightest and
best in Nova Roma.

Valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

> Lastly, to Anna Marcella. There is nothing stopping you from
> constructing an actual, physical temple and consecrating it to the
> Roman god or goddess of your choice. You can even consecrate a simple
> sacred space to the gods and conduct your own private caeremonia to
> Them.

What makes you think I don't already have a sacred space dedicated to
the gods?


-Annia Minucia Marcella

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus fl. Cer. sal.

Salve

I will reply to the following points listed below

III. The power to create shrines and temples, both virtual *or even
temporal*, and administer them with almost complete autonomy. (So long as basic
ground rules are adhered to.)

REPLY: costs money ( see reply on donations about this)

FGA: You are thinking about temple buildings such as in the Pantheon. Most
Roman templum were simple shrines and altars. You are need to read your
Cato De Agricultura to get a better idea of what is meant by a templum. I
understand how important money would be in the cult of Mercurius since they
functioned as some of the principal money-changers. However, the templum in
Lebanon, TN was constructed for very little money using local material.

V. The power to market to the Citizens of NR for cult practitioners,
volunteers, worshippers, and even donations;

REPLY : warning LONG

With all due respect, Marcus Cornelius, I fail to understand why you would
want to go through all that when you can hold a ritual in your home or on
public land for your Cultus. I have seen some of your on-line stuff and it looks
pretty good to me. I have erected a temporary altar to Mercurius at two
different pagan festivals and received about $14.30 in unsolicited contributions
to help maintain the altars with incense, charcoals, and lamp oil. You
could expand your cultus by holding rituals at pagan events, teaching classes, or
selling books and pamphlets.

Instead of thinking of the Templi Mercurali as a non-profit or a charity.
Just get a business license and run it as a business providing goods and
services. Making money for your Templum is a very Roman thing to do. I opened a
business called Mensa Romana (now Mensa Deorum) to sell sacred images, Roman
& Greek domestic goods, books and pamphlets on the Religio, etc. There is no
reason to jump through hoops as a 501(c), or a church, or a charity; just
run the Templi Mercurali as a business enterprise that also honors the God of
Merchants, Traders, and Politicians. What could be more natural. Sure, you
will have to pay the state of Oregon taxes but it won't kill you. I am sure
that there were occasional contributions and gifts that temples had to pay to
some Roman aedile or magistrate to smooth over something.
Marcus Cornelius Felix

--
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

Vale.




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M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Iubeo vos bono animo esse

Hodie est die pristini Nonas Decembris; haec dies comitialis est:

AUC 690 / 63 BCE: The sacrilegium of the rites of the Bona Dea

"It was at this time that Publius Clodius debauched Caesar's wife in
Caesar's own house and during the performance of the rites which
according to ancestral custom the Vestals carried out at the
residences of consuls and praetors out of sight of the whole male
population. Caesar brought no charge against him, understanding well
that on account of his associates he would not be convicted; but he
divorced his wife, telling her that he did not really believe the
story, but that he could no longer live with her inasmuch as she had
once been suspected of committing adultery; for a chaste wife not
only must not err, but must not even incur any evil suspicion. The
next year, in the consulship of Piso and Marcus Messalla (61 BCE),
the optimates showed their hatred of Clodius and at the same time
made expiation for his crime by bringing him to trial, since the
pontifices had decided that in view of his act the rites had not been
duly performed and should be repeated. He was accused of adultery, in
spite of Caesar's silence, and of mutiny at Nisibis, and furthermore
of holding guilty relations with his sister; yet he was acquitted,
although the jurymen had requested and obtained of the senate a guard
to prevent their suffering any harm at his hands. With reference to
this Catulus jestingly remarked that they had asked for the guard,
not in order to condemn Clodius with safety, but in order to save for
themselves the money which they had received in bribes. Now Catulus
died shortly afterwards." ~ Dio Cassius 37.35-36

It was after midnight, the morning of 4 December 63 BCE, that the
sacra Bonae Deae was held for the first time in the home of C. Iulius
Caesar. This was unusual for two reasons. First, before the reign
of Augustus, Roman festivals did not generally fall between the
Kalends and Nones of a month. Secondly, the rites were to be
conducted in the home of a magistrate who held imperium. At this
time Caesar was Praetor designatus for the following year, but not
having taken office, he did not yet hold imperium. Caesar was,
however, the Pontifex Maximus and thus would have something to say
over where the Vestales Virgines would attend such rites, and when.
In 62 B. C. E. the rites would again be held in the home of Caesar,
who did hold imperium by then, and presumably they took place in the
Regia in which he had taken residence as Pontifex Maximus in the
following year.

What happened in 63 BCE remains a mystery and should be considered in
the context of events before and after. The ritual was performed
shortly after Cicero had driven Catilina from Rome, but before
Catalina was finally defeated. Caesar had the Tribunus Plebis Titus
Labienus put forth the lex Domitia, by which elections would be held
to replace Metellus Pius as Pontifex Maximus. Caesar had only newly
won that election with popular support over the optimes' candidate
Catulus. Caesar was also attempting to remove Catulus as a duumvir
for the reconstruction of the Capitolium, accusing Catulus of
embezzlement. Later it would be Catulus who was one of those behind
the attempt to prosecute Clodius.

Caesar's mother Aurelia and his wife Pompeia hosted the women's rites
of the Bona Dea for 63 BCE. Arriving with the Vestales Virgines was
an unexpected guest. Aurelia recognized that beneath the robes of a
woman a man had entered these sacred rites. Or perhaps Aurelia
recognized that it was the wrong man. These rites should have been
held after the Nones, possibly on 7 December. On 9 December was then
held the Optalia, or the public festival for Ops. As we saw
yesterday, the Bona Dea was identified with Ops as well as with Fauna
(Macrobius Saturnalia 1.12.16). There was another ritual, held at an
unspecified date, when the Pontifex Maximus was to enter a sacullum
of Ops in the Regia while donning the dress and veil of a Vestal
Virgin. Perhaps there was some importance to the fact that it was
Aurelia who discovered the presence of a man, since if indeed Caesar
was expected to be there, Aurelia would have been the one woman
present who could recognize that the man under a veil was not her
son.

Claudius Pulcher, for that was his name at the time, was discovered,
and driven away while Aurelia covered the sacred symbola from his
sight. Later, when asked, the Vestales replied that the ritual had
not been violated by his presence, and yet it was decided that the
Vestales Virgines would conduct the ritual over, and by themselves.
Why did Vestales deny that the rite was violate if all men were
prohibited from attending the rites? If the story was at all true
that Claudius was present to seduce Caesar's wife, and in the process
he had defiled a sacred rite held inside Caesar's very home, just
after Caesar had recently become Pontifex Maximus, then it is hard to
understand why Caesar did not do more against Claudius. In fact,
even in divorcing Pompeia, supposedly over this affair, Caesar did
not accuse her of adultery with Claudius. As it was, Claudius was
not put on trial until 61 BCE, after Caesar's term as Praetor. He
was charged with incestum; that is, violating sacred law. Claudius
Pulcher's defense was that he was in another town, too distant from
Rome to have possibly arrived that night. But Cicero was witness
against Claudius, saying that he had seen him near Rome earlier on
the day in question. Claudius was acquitted none the less as public
opinion had turned against Cicero over the matter of his having
executed Lentullus without trial. Catulus, an instigator for the
trial of Claudius, died soon afterward. Claudius then had himself
adopted into a Plebeian family, by which he changed his name to its
plebeian form, Clodius Pulcher, so that he could be elected Tribunus
Plebis. He next used that office to seek revenge on any who were
involved in prosecuting him, including sending Milo into exile and
threatening to do the same to Cicero for being a witness against
him.


Our thought for today is from Epictetus' Enchiridion 41

"It is a mark of want of intellect, to spend much time in things
relating to the body; as to be immoderate in exercises, in eating and
drinking, and in the discharge of other animal functions. These
things should be done incidentally and our main strength be applied
to our reason."

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

And you can call a grove of trees a shrine to Faunus, a fenced off section
of you backyard as a Templum to the Aventine Triad, and a fenced off section of
your sister's land in Lebanon, TN that has been properly consecrated,
purified, and dedicated a Templi Neptuni.

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Fl. Galerius Aurelianus fl. Cerialis S.P.D.

Annia Minucia Marcella asks:

Also, is it possible to have outdoor rites?

ANSWER: Most of the rites of the Sacra Publica were performed outdoors. A
good bit of the Cerialia was celebrated in the Circus Flaminius, the Floralia
in the Theatre of Pompey, the Equirria on the Campus Martius; the Lupercalia
outside; the Leaping Priests of Mars (Salii) outside; the procession to the
Capitoline Hill, on the Kal. Ian., outside. Even the private rites were
usually held at the lararium in the atrium which was open to the sky. There
are wall paintings in Pompeii and Herculaneum depicting a wide variety of
outdoor religious scenes of worship including the Temple of Isis.

If you read most books on the Religio Romana, you will find that most rites
were conducted outside.

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Q. Caecilius Metellus Anniae Minuciae Marcellae salutem.

I'd add to what my friend and cousin, our distinguished Flamen Cerealis,
has said, that none of the caerimoniae over which I've presided on the
behalf of the Republic have been performed indoors. When I could afford
to perform the Kalends and Ides caerimoniae, even (on at least two
occasions) in the snow, they were still done outdoors.

Vale,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Pontifex

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus fl. Cer. sal.
>
> Salve

You

> could expand your cultus by holding rituals at pagan events,

teaching classes, or

> selling books and pamphlets.
>
> Instead of thinking of the Templi Mercurali as a non-profit or a

charity.

> Just get a business license and run it as a business providing

goods and

> services. Making money for your Templum is a very Roman thing to

do. I opened a

> business called Mensa Romana (now Mensa Deorum) to sell sacred

images, Roman

> & Greek domestic goods, books and pamphlets on the Religio, etc.

There is no

> reason to jump through hoops as a 501(c), or a church, or a

charity; just

> run the Templi Mercurali as a business enterprise that also honors

the God of

> Merchants, Traders, and Politicians. What could be more natural.

Sure, you

> will have to pay the state of Oregon taxes but it won't kill you.

I am sure

> that there were occasional contributions and gifts that temples had

to pay to

> some Roman aedile or magistrate to smooth over something.

Salve

much as I would love to do that I would lose my Social Security
Benefits and my medicare/mediaid .

so I would need to get over 6,000 a month before costs and taxes for
running a business as I have very high medic costs
that is why I would want to run it as a 501(c) or " church" that way
any money not needed for temple opps could go to NR,

vale
Marcus Cornelius Felix

Salve!

Hehe, of course I know outdoor rites were done in Roma Antiqua, I was
referring to the situation in Oregon. If they're allowed to perform
outdoor ceremonies, etc.

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus fl. Cerialis S.P.D.
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella asks:
>
> Also, is it possible to have outdoor rites?
>
> ANSWER: Most of the rites of the Sacra Publica were performed
outdoors. A
> good bit of the Cerialia was celebrated in the Circus Flaminius,
the Floralia
> in the Theatre of Pompey, the Equirria on the Campus Martius; the
Lupercalia
> outside; the Leaping Priests of Mars (Salii) outside; the
procession to the
> Capitoline Hill, on the Kal. Ian., outside. Even the private
rites were
> usually held at the lararium in the atrium which was open to the
sky. There
> are wall paintings in Pompeii and Herculaneum depicting a wide
variety of
> outdoor religious scenes of worship including the Temple of Isis.
>
> If you read most books on the Religio Romana, you will find that
most rites
> were conducted outside.
>
> Valete.
>
>
>
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T.Flavius Aquila Caeso Fabi Buteo Modiano salutem plurimam dicit

I agree that a web presence is a start , but we need to move on, especially in the 10th year of Nova Roma
and build real temples !

The eternal Gods deserve real temples with offerings, public rites and priests.

I call on all Citizens to support the Real temple for the Gods in Rome project!


Vale/Valete optime
Titus Flavius Aquila
Tribunus Plebis designatus
Scriba Censoris

----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: David Kling (Modianus) <tau.athanasios@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Dienstag, den 4. Dezember 2007, 01:24:46 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: why the priesthood is not moving on the RELIGIO ROMANA ADMINISTRATION (LONG)

I certainly see immense value in our web presence. But the Gods
should be honored through offerings and supplication. A website is no
substitute to offerings, but they are valuable and do serve a great
purpose. I meant no offense, I simply do not like the term "virtual
temple."

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Dec 3, 2007 6:33 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@ciarin. com> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> And? I don't see your point. Of course it's a website, that's why I
> said "online temple" and "virtual temple". You easily dismiss this as
> a mere website, but it's really better than nothing at all. You can
> learn about the deity, about the rituals, find others who believe like
> you do etc.
>
> Would you just as easily dismiss Nova Roma's website as well?
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella




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T.Flavius Aquila M.Moravi Piscino salutem plurimam dicit

Salve M Moravius Piscinus Consul designatus

I am just reading through my eMails and I have just read your statement to open up the first senate
session of the new year with a rite to honor Jupiter as the Patronus of the senate. This is an excellent idea and
I fully support your approach. As well we should honor Victoria . I would like to request that both
eternal gods being honored before every senate session commence, so for the patres et conscripti to remember,
whom we have to be grateful for Roma and Nova Roma and that the rites will continue for the wellbeing of Nova Roma.

Thank you again

Vale optime
Titus Flavius Aquila
Tribunus Plebis designatus
Scriba Censoris CFBM


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Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 29. November 2007, 13:36:29 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: Religion

Salvete Luci Iuli, cultores Deorum et alii

In all of the discussions over the thread on what Novae Romani want,
your post was the most pertinent, and yet almost lost. Why have a
membership card in an organization that does little or nothing? Why
pay your support if nothing is provided in return? While we look
forward to a day when Nova Roma can hold civic assemblies, sponsor
legiones and scholarship funds, host cultores Deorum worshipping
together in our own fana, it is still the needs of our Citizens today
that should be a concern and a priority. One thing that Nova Roma
can provide now, and the one thing that has generally attracted new
members to Nova Roma, is its ability to provide information through
its website.

The first responsibility of our sacerdotes should be to instruct our
citizenry on the religio Romana, demonstrate how to perform ritu
Romani,and be in the forefront of organizing cultus for others in
their area to participate. This is the way to serve the Gods, to
assist the cultores Deorum who seek Them. It makes little sense to
fill up artificial religious offices when focus is not given to
building a community of cultores Deorum to support such offices or to
serve the Gods. And of course we need individual sacerdotes who are
actively engaged in providing something for their fellow cultores
Deorum.

Some of the Pontifices have utterly abandoned their
responsibilities. By their own decretum they are required to vote in
a a minimumu of one-third of the sessions of the Collegium
Pontificum, and in addition they must:

"Pontifices must uphold a minimum level of 'public' activity outside
the Collegium each year. This public activity must include no less
than six serious religious posts to a Nova Roma forum in a year, OR
one 'religious project'."

There are pontifices who do not vote, who do not appear at sessions
of the Collegium at all. In the most recent session of the Collegium
Pontificum one gave as his excuse that he was under the influence of
Bacchus. Being on a drunken binge over the several days that a
session is held is no excuse for anyone to neglect the duties that
he, before the Gods, had proclaimed to perform. Since the Collegium
instituted a quorum, they have not had enough pontifices meet to have
a quorum. Applications go unconsidered. New priests are not
appointed. Those who are rejected are never informed whether an
attempt was made to vote on their application. And of course
questions put before the Collegeium for clarification go unanswered.
The Collegium Pontificum no longer functions as a collegium because
some have neglected their duties, and the greatest fault, sadly, is
with the Pontifex Maximus who has practically abandoned his
responsibility to lead.

Since the decretum on minimum requirements was first issued in 2002,
how many of the Pontifices have met that requirement of "no less than
six serious religious posts to a Nova Roma forum in a year"? As
flamen Martialis, L. Equitius Cincinnatus does post at each of the
festivals for Mars, and the flamines minores, myself among them, do
post on the festivals for their respective deities. But one flamen
maior has never, and the Collegium Pontificum cannot decide what to
do about appointing a flamen Dialis. If the Pontifices did fulfill
the responsibility that they have placed upon themselves, then surely
the religio section of the NRwiki would begin to fill, providing
information that our cultores Deorum desire and that will attract
more Citizens to Nova Roma. As for other "religious projects" that
can take in a wide scope of activity. Certainly performing public
rites could be considered, and a couple of pontifices do just that.
Pontifex Caecilius Metellus has attempted to begin religious
projects, getting little or no cooperation from others in the
Collegium. Pontifex Astur has worked on the provincial level with
the performance of public rites and in training others in the religio
Romana. Others Pontifices, however, have never performed a single
ritual publicly, any more than offered in depth, "serious religious
posts." One wonders why some would cling so to a title for which
duties they have abandoned, while using such titles merely to deny
others who could be doing what is needed.

The Collegium Augurium likewise does not function as a collegium. It
has two members alone, and they do not speak to one another except to
trade insults. There have been applications by myself and Galerius
Aurelianus to join the Collegium Augurium, but that decision is with
the Collegium Pontificum and only three pontifices showed up for the
session, so a quorum was not met and no decision made. The augures,
G. Fabius Modianus and L. Equitius Cincinnatus perform their duties
as augures when asked by magistrates to assist, but no progress is
being made on developing the ius augurum for Nova Roma, or of
instructing others on how they should perform such rites.

I have to agree with you on the nature of some who desire a title and
never do anything more once they have aquired it. The case in point
is our sole vir sacris faciundis. We haven't heard from him since he
was appointed, disturbing because twice before he has abandoned the
religio Romana when, so he stated, he was "called by the Teutonic
Gods."

One area that needs developing, that can have a greater impact on
developing Nova Roma as a whole, would be to train sacerdotes for the
provinciae. Here is where cultores Deorum can meet in worship
together locally and begin to build the kind of communities needed to
really construct the institutions of the religio, from the ground
up. Sacerdotes have been appointed in some provinciae, I know
because I had them as students in my classes on Roman ritual at the
Academia Thules. This is one area in which I intend to work more in
the coming months. I and my colleague next year, Titus Iulius
Sabinus, shall be working with the governors of the various
provinciae on a multitude of issues, and a program to train
provincial sacerdotes will be a priority for me as Consul.

So where we stand now, with a disfunctioning Collegium Pontificum, is
that cultores Deorum are left to provide for one another, without
direction, without guidence, because those who set themselves up as
head of the religio in Nova Roma were, the first place, unqualified
and have since been incapable or unwilling to fulfill their duties.
The cultores Deorum will have to take action on their own as even
those Pontifices who have tried to perform their duties are impeded
by the others who do not.

Valete et vadete in pace Deorum
M Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "luciusjul25" <luciusjul25@ ...>
wrote:

>
> Salve Nova Romans,
>
>
> After some recent research of the links provided by Nova Roma I

have

> noticed that a lot of the information on the websites are either
> incomplete or not done at all. Specifically, many links have no
> information about the Gods except for a select few. The links to

the

> Gods information have said "Info Coming Soon" for quite a long

time,

> even since I first joined Nova Roma. I believe there are priests

for

> a certain reason and I feel that the priests of Nova Roma aren't
> doing enough to update information about the Gods. They are there

for

> our guidance and to post information concerning the Gods, household
> gods, and rituals in relation to them. One of the reasons I joined
> Nova Roma was to obtain a greater aspect of the religion and also
> believe that people just like the titles given to them and do not

do

> anything pertaining to their field. With all due respect to those

who

> do take their appointments seriously, totally disregard this post

and

> I know that I am not the only one who feels this way. There need to
> be some changes as soon as possible so that all citizens can enjoy
> this way of life....
>
> Vale Bene,
> Lucius Iulius Regulus
>

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Salvete Quirites !


Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), hac re ipsa
decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque
Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), officio Tribuni
plebis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae
publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque
vita me persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), Religioni
Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum
publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), officiis muneris
Tribuni plebis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Tribuni plebis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

Pr Non Dec MMDCCLX AUC L. Arminio Ti. Galerio cos




I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), do solemnly swear to
uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the best
interests of the People and Senate of Nova Roma.

As Tribune of the Plebeians of Nova Roma, I, Titus Flavius Aquila
(Thomas Vogel), swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my
public dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), swear to protect and
defend the constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Tribune of the Plebeians to the best of my abilities.

On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Tribune of the Plebeians and all the
rights, privileges, obligations and responsibilities attendant
thereto.

The 4th of December 2760 AUC / 2007 in the consulship of L.
Arminius Faustus and Ti. Galerius Paulinus




Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), schwöre hiermit feierlich,
Nova Roma in Ehren zu halten und stets im besten Interesse von Volk
und Senat von Nova Roma zu handeln.

Als Tribunus Plebis schwöre ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas
Vogel), die Götter und Göttinnen Roms in meinen öffentlichen
Handlungen zu ehren und römische Tugenden im privaten Leben ebenso
zu befolgen wie im öffentlichen.

Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) , schwöre hiermit
feierlich, die Religio Romana als Staatsreligion von Nova Roma zu
ehren und zu verteidigen und niemals in einer Weise zu handeln, die
ihren Status als Staatsreligion gefährden könnte.

Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) , schwöre, die Verfassung
von Nova Roma zu schützen und zu verteidigen.

Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) , schwöre ferner die
Pflichten und den Verantwortungsbereich des Amtes des Tribunus
Plebis nach besten Kräften zu erfüllen.

Bei meiner Ehre als cives Nova Romanus und in Gegenwart der Götter
und Göttinnen von Rom und mit ihrer Gnade und in Gegenwart des
römischen Volkes nehme ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) ,
das Amt des Tribunus Plebis an und alle Rechte, Privilegien,
Verpflichtungen und Verantwortlichkeiten die damit verbunden sind.

Am 04.Dezember des Konsulatsjahres von L. Arminius Faustus und Ti.
Galerius Paulinus , 2760 AUC.



May Iuppiter Optimus Maximus and all eternal mighty Roman Gods
preserve and protect Nova Roma and its people !

Pro Patria et Res Publica !

Valete optime
Titus Flavius Aquila
Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

Concordia res parvae crescunt, discordia maximae dilabuntur
Durch Eintracht wächst Kleines, durch Zwietracht zerfällt das Größte

P. Memmius Albucius Censori Modiano scribis et omnibus s.d.


Thanks for these very interesting informations, and congratulations
for the quickly done work, mainly by Censor Modianus and the team of
dedicated citizens who helped him in an uneasy period !

Vale Censor et omnes,




P. Memmius Albucius
Leg. pp. Galliae








--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

>
> Edictum censoris de censu anni MMDCCLX
>
> Introduction:
>
> The purpose of the 2007 Census of Nova Roma was to effectively
> determine who is and who is not an active citizen. Multiple

attempts

> were made to contact citizens and those who responded were counted

and

> those who did not respond have had their status changed to
> disappeared. The results of the Census are broken down by status,
> order, and gender. Status being Assidui, a tax payer; Capite

Censi, a

> non-tax payer; and minor, a citizen who has not yet reached eighteen
> years of age. Additional analysis of the census material will be

done

> at a later date to include provincial breakdown and trends.
>
> Results:
>
> Active Nova Roma Citizens: 718
>
> Citizens by Status:
> 35% Assidui – 62% Capite Censi – 3% Minor.
> Assidui: 250. 35% of our total citizenry are Assidui.
> Capite Censi: 446. 62% of our total citizenry are Capite Censi.
> Minor: 22. 3% of our total citizenry are Minores.
>
> Citizens by Order:
>
> 19% Patrician – 81% Plebeians.
>
> Patricians: 138. 19% of total citizenry are Patrican..
> Patrician Assidui: 67. 49% of all Patricians are Assidui.
> Patrician Capite Censi: 65. 47% of all Patricians are Capite

Censi.

> Patrician Minores: 6. 4% of all Patricians are Minores.
>
> Plebeians: 580. 81% of total citizenry are Plebeian.
> Plebeian Assidui: 183. 31% of all Plebeians are Assidui.
> Plebeian Capite Censi: 381. 66% of all Plebeians are Capite

Censi.

> Plebeian Minores: 16. 3% of all Plebeians are Minores.
>
> Citizens by Gender:
>
> 81% Male – 19% Female.
>
> Male: 585. 81% of total citizenry are Male.
> Male Assidui: 187. 32% of all male citizens are Assidui.
> Male Capite Censi: 382. 65% of all male citizens are Capite Censi.
> Male Minores: 16. 3% of all male citizens are minors.
>
> Female: 133.
> Female Assidui: 63. 47% of all female citizens are Assidui.
> Female Capite Censi: 64. 48% of all female citizens are Capite

Censi.

> Female Minores: 6. 5% of all female citizens are minors.
>
> Organization of the Census:
>
> The census was organized and conducted under the supervision of

Censor

> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus along with his colleague Censor Marcus
> Octavius Gracchus with the assistance of four primary scribae:

Marca

> Hortensia Maior, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, Gnaeus

Equitius

> Marinus, and Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus. Support assistance came

from

> the rest of the censorial staff: Marcus Curiatius Complutensis,
> Marcus Iulius Severus, Titus Flavius Aquila, Titus Arminius

Genialis,

> and Publius Constantinus Placidus. Additional assistance was

provided

> by the provincial governors and their assistance is very much
> appreciated.
>
> Conducting the Census:
>
> The census was conducted on many levels. An initial edict was

issued

> in late October calling for the citizens to respond to the census.

On

> two separate occasions mass e-mail was sent to every citizen who had
> not responded to the census. Between these two mass e-mails,
> generated through the Nova Roma database by Censor & Magister
> Arenearius Marcus Octavius Gracchus , non-responsive citizens were
> contacted directly by Censor Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus through a

new

> e-mail account established specifically for the census
> (census.novaroma@...) . Additionally, provincial governors were
> asked directly by Censor Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus to participate

in

> conducting the census and that too generated response.
>
> Lex Popillia Senatoria:
>
> Per section I.a of Lex Popillia Senatoria the maximum number of
> senatores shall be 38.
>
> Authority:
>
> Constitution of Nova Roma Sections II.A. 4 and IV.A.1.b
> Lex Fabia de Censu. 31 May 2003
> Edictum Ces. K. Fabii Buteoni Modiani De Censu Anni MMDCCLX. 27

October 2007

> Lex Popillia senatoria. 01 December 2005
> Lex Galeria de Census. 01 December 2007
>

Ego, Quintus Valerius Callidus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse
sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Quintus Valerius Callidus, officio Tribuni plebis Novae Romae
accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus
culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum
esse iuro.

Ego, Quintus Valerius Callidus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam
defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne
quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Quintus Valerius Callidus, officiis muneris Tribuni plebis me
quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Tribuni plebis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

Cn. Lentulus Ap. Claudio sal.


Appi Claudi! Quaeso!..

>>> I favor Roma's international orientation over Nova Roma's american slavery.Vale. ACC <<<

I asked you to send no more silliness to this mailinglist. If you do not like the present situation make something like me or like Franciscus Apulus Caesar or Tiberius Galerius Paulinus or many of us. They fought for the better position of Italia. I myself was one who constantly claimed that Italia don't be a province.

Italia right now is not a provincia but a special territory of NR.

Where is the "american slavery"? Please...! Read again my previous letter.

Presently I fight for a new center of NR in Rome. If it's reasonable, next year we will have registered NR in Rome, too. It depends on the Italian laws.

If you want to help, please send me the relevant laws (I can read Italian) about registering an international cultural organization in Italy.

It's easy to speak, one must do, too.



VALE!




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QUIRITES!

Thank you very much for your trust vote. I'm honored. This year
election demonstrated once more the Nova Roma's international status.

Congratulations to all candidates for their good will to serve the
Republic. Congratulations to all elected.
The 10th Nova Roma anniversary bring us more responsibilities and
because that is necessary as our actions to be at the same level
with this important event significance.


Long life to Nova Roma!
Pax Deorum.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
wrote:

> This election brakedown was requested by a number of citizens
> COMITIA CENTURIATA
> 37 Centuries voting
> 19 Centuries required
>
> Censor:
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: 19 Centuries (one tie)
> Marca Hortensia Maior: 10 Centuries (3 ties)
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is elected Censor
>
> Consul:
>
> 19 centuries required for first round
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus: 19 Centuries (4
> ties)
> Titus Iulius Sabinus: 18 Centuries (4 ties)
>
> Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus captures first
> round and is elected Senior Consul.
>
> Second Round:
>
> 12 voided centuries from First Round .
> 13 Centuries required to win second round
>
> Titus Iulius Sabinus: 17 Centuries plus 5 remaining
> ties.
>
> Titus Iulius Sabinus is elected Junior Consul
>
> Praetor
>
> Again 19 centuries to win first round
>
> Marcus Curiatus Complutensis: 19 Centuries (11 ties)
> Marcus Iulius Severus: 15 Centuries (6 ties)
>
> Marcus Curiatus Complutensis wins first round of the
> Praetorship tallies.
>
> Second Round
>
> 17 void Centuries from first round.
> 11 Centuries required to win second round.
>
> Marcus Iulius Severus: 14 Centuries (2 ties)
>

C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,

Well the elections are done and the results know, so first let me congratulate every Magistrate, Tribune and Vigintisexviris elected.

Secondly now that we Diribitores were elected for the next year and none of us had any previous experience in the post there are many questions that myself, and probably the other elected Diribitores, would like to ask.

I have being studied the leges concerning the three comitia so I’m prepare for my future duties, but they are very vague in many aspects. So I would like to ask:
- Are there any internal organization of the Diribitores and Custodes?
- Can we access past elections data so we can train ourselves?
- Do we have to present the oath of office?

Well these are the first questions that come to my mind. More will probably appear as we learn more of our future duties.

Di vos incolumes custodiant.


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Thank you very much for your fine words. You are really man in your
life and you honor me with your friendship.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato"
<mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

>
> Cato omnes SPD
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> Just a note to wish my sincerest congratulations to the newly-

elected

> magistrates of the Respublica. May (the) God(s) bless you as you

give

> of your time and energy to our citizens.
>
> A special shout out to Iulius Sabinus, one of the most honorable
> people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting and working with.
> Sabine, amice, you are truly the embodiment of what is brightest

and best in Nova Roma.

>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>

---Salve Aemili Crasse:

In answer to your questions:

There is a mailing list of diribitores and custodes, and we will
subscribe the newly elected election officials before we leave office.

I am happy to help you, as are others I'm sure. There is a guidebook
to Comitia Centuriata elections, most of which applies to the Comitia
Populi Tributa also. It's in the files section of this main list
forum, and on the election list. I'll make sure its easily accessible
on the election list.

And lastly, an oath of office is required, as per comitia populi
tributa legislation.

Vale
Pompeia
Custos



In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Aemilius Crassus
<septemtrionis@...> wrote:

>
> C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,
>
> Well the elections are done and the results know, so first let me

congratulate every Magistrate, Tribune and Vigintisexviris elected.

>
> Secondly now that we Diribitores were elected for the next year and

none of us had any previous experience in the post there are many
questions that myself, and probably the other elected Diribitores,
would like to ask.

>
> I have being studied the leges concerning the three comitia so I’m

prepare for my future duties, but they are very vague in many aspects.
So I would like to ask:

> - Are there any internal organization of the Diribitores and Custodes?
> - Can we access past elections data so we can train ourselves?
> - Do we have to present the oath of office?
>
> Well these are the first questions that come to my mind. More will

probably appear as we learn more of our future duties.

>
> Di vos incolumes custodiant.
>
>
>

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> C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
>

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>
>
>

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

>
> Cn. Lentulus Ap. Claudio sal.
>
>
>

>
>
>
> Presently I fight for a new center of NR in Rome. If it's

reasonable, next year we will have registered NR in Rome, too. It
depends on the Italian laws.

>
> If you want to help, please send me the relevant laws (I can read

Italian) about registering an international cultural organization in
Italy.



http://www.icnl.org/

Avete Omnes,

Noi, Cittadini Romani, figli della grande Urbe abbiamo avuto notizia da Marca Hortensia Maior che in questa venerabile Ml importanti questioni vengono trattate riguardanti Roma e la Sua cultura.

Mi esprimo in Italica lingua ma non difetto nella comprensione di idiomi ispanici o anglofoni.


Spero di poter riportare ai miei amici dell'Urbe buone nuove.


Valete,

Publius Fabricius Barbatus

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Salve Pompeia,

Thank you very much for your reply and answers.

I�m glad to know that the Diribitores and Custodes will share a mail list, more so because Venator Piperbarbus, custos elected for the next year, already had experience as Diribitor. So any more doubts I may have I can always ask him in the proper mail list.

The document in the files of the main list is very good and helpful. Thank you for having point it out to me and also thanks to Senator Equitius Marinus for have post it.

Vale optime bene.

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----- Original Message ----
From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 1:01:10 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: De Diribitoribus.

---Salve Aemili Crasse:

In answer to your questions:

There is a mailing list of diribitores and custodes, and we will
subscribe the newly elected election officials before we leave office.

I am happy to help you, as are others I'm sure. There is a guidebook
to Comitia Centuriata elections, most of which applies to the Comitia
Populi Tributa also. It's in the files section of this main list
forum, and on the election list. I'll make sure its easily accessible
on the election list.

And lastly, an oath of office is required, as per comitia populi
tributa legislation.

Vale
Pompeia
Custos

In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Gaius Aemilius Crassus
<septemtrionis@ ...> wrote:

>
> C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,
>
> Well the elections are done and the results know, so first let me

congratulate every Magistrate, Tribune and Vigintisexviris elected.

>
> Secondly now that we Diribitores were elected for the next year and

none of us had any previous experience in the post there are many
questions that myself, and probably the other elected Diribitores,
would like to ask.

>
> I have being studied the leges concerning the three comitia so I���m

prepare for my future duties, but they are very vague in many aspects.
So I would like to ask:

> - Are there any internal organization of the Diribitores and Custodes?
> - Can we access past elections data so we can train ourselves?
> - Do we have to present the oath of office?
>
> Well these are the first questions that come to my mind. More will

probably appear as we learn more of our future duties.

>
> Di vos incolumes custodiant.
>
>
>

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Fl. Galerius Aurelianus M. Cornelio Felix sal.

Actually, you just touched on a subject that I am very familiar with as I have been a Social Security Disability worker for 16 years and a V.R. Counselor for 7 years.

You would not lose your?Social Security benefits if you earn less that $800.00 per month from your business.? Considering that you are not running your business to make a monstrous profit, you could do it and still get your benefits.

Also, there are several methods that would allow you to keep your medicaid/medicare benefits even if you are working full-time.

Finally, if you are that concerned about?your SSDI benefits, you could train?another citizen and have them organize the Cultus of Mercurius and run the Templi Mercurali while you concentrate on the liturgy and the caerimoniae.? C'mon, Marcus Cornelius, you can do it!?

Vale.


-----Original Message-----
From: vallenporter <vallenporter@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:01 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: why the priesthood is not moving on the RELIGIO ROMANA ADMINI...

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus fl. Cer. sal.
>
> Salve
You
> could expand your cultus by holding rituals at pagan events,
teaching classes, or
> selling books and pamphlets.
>
> Instead of thinking of the Templi Mercurali as a non-profit or a
charity.
> Just get a business license and run it as a business providing
goods and
> services. Making money for your Templum is a very Roman thing to
do. I opened a
> business called Mensa Romana (now Mensa Deorum) to sell sacred
images, Roman
> & Greek domestic goods, books and pamphlets on the Religio, etc.
There is no
> reason to jump through hoops as a 501(c), or a church, or a
charity; just
> run the Templi Mercurali as a business enterprise that also honors
the God of
> Merchants, Traders, and Politicians. What could be more natural.
Sure, you
> will have to pay the state of Oregon taxes but it won't kill you.
I am sure
> that there were occasional contributions and gifts that temples had
to pay to
> some Roman aedile or magistrate to smooth over something.

Salve

much as I would love to do that I would lose my Social Security
Benefits and my medicare/mediaid .

so I would need to get over 6,000 a month before costs and taxes for
running a business as I have very high medic costs
that is why I would want to run it as a 501(c) or " church" that way
any money not needed for temple opps could go to NR,

vale
Marcus Cornelius Felix





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Cn. Cornelius M. Cornelio Felici sal.

Thank you for the link, Cornelius. It's very useful.

Another thing about Claudio Guzzo:

I have visited the Italian NR mailinglist for him and I have found a new edict of the Curia Italica, the provincial Consilium of the special territory NR Italia. This edict excludes Mr. Guzzo from the Italian mailinglist because of his destructive behaviour.

So we don't have to deal with him and his paranoid views on our American brothers since he has been repudiated by his own countrymen.


Vale!


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Salvete Lentulus et Omnes,
I confirm that the Curia Italica (rapresenting the provincial
administration and leaded by me as Praefectus) voted to exclude Mr.
Claudio Guzzo from the official italian mailing list NR_Italia. He
violated the netiquette of the list having an unpolite tone and
behaviour, sending offenses and "wishes of death" to me. We don't
want him in the italian list because he ignore the accepted laws and
civil discussions.

About the "american slavery", I and all the provincial
administration (and I suppose the large majority of the italians)
strongly disagree with Mr. Guzzo taking the distances from his
sentences. His opinions are not our!

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Praefectus Italiae et Senator




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

>
> Cn. Cornelius M. Cornelio Felici sal.
>
> Thank you for the link, Cornelius. It's very useful.
>
> Another thing about Claudio Guzzo:
>
> I have visited the Italian NR mailinglist for him and I have found

a new edict of the Curia Italica, the provincial Consilium of the
special territory NR Italia. This edict excludes Mr. Guzzo from the
Italian mailinglist because of his destructive behaviour.

>
> So we don't have to deal with him and his paranoid views on our

American brothers since he has been repudiated by his own countrymen.

>
>
> Vale!
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus M. Cornelio Felix sal.
>
> Actually, you just touched on a subject that I am very familiar with

as I have been a Social Security Disability worker for 16 years and a
V.R. Counselor for 7 years.

>
> You would not lose your?Social Security benefits if you earn less

that $800.00 per month from your business.? Considering that you are
not running your business to make a monstrous profit, you could do it
and still get your benefits.

>
> Also, there are several methods that would allow you to keep your

medicaid/medicare benefits even if you are working full-time.

>
> Finally, if you are that concerned about?your SSDI benefits, you

could train?another citizen and have them organize the Cultus of
Mercurius and run the Templi Mercurali while you concentrate on the
liturgy and the caerimoniae.? C'mon, Marcus Cornelius, you can do it!?

>
> Vale.

well as i was planing a food stall in our saturday market here.

see http://www.portlandsaturdaymarket.com/

I could see $1,200 in a weekend over cost( i know this as i have
helped out at some of the food stalls there 8 years ago) and I would
want that to go to the temple or NR or both/ some of the food stalls
make over $75,000 over costs in a year

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vallenporter <vallenporter@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:01 pm
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: why the priesthood is not moving on the

RELIGIO ROMANA ADMINI...

>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus fl. Cer. sal.
> >
> > Salve
> You
> > could expand your cultus by holding rituals at pagan events,
> teaching classes, or
> > selling books and pamphlets.
> >
> > Instead of thinking of the Templi Mercurali as a non-profit or a
> charity.
> > Just get a business license and run it as a business providing
> goods and
> > services. Making money for your Templum is a very Roman thing to
> do. I opened a
> > business called Mensa Romana (now Mensa Deorum) to sell sacred
> images, Roman
> > & Greek domestic goods, books and pamphlets on the Religio, etc.
> There is no
> > reason to jump through hoops as a 501(c), or a church, or a
> charity; just
> > run the Templi Mercurali as a business enterprise that also honors
> the God of
> > Merchants, Traders, and Politicians. What could be more natural.
> Sure, you
> > will have to pay the state of Oregon taxes but it won't kill you.
> I am sure
> > that there were occasional contributions and gifts that temples had
> to pay to
> > some Roman aedile or magistrate to smooth over something.
>
> Salve
>
> much as I would love to do that I would lose my Social Security
> Benefits and my medicare/mediaid .
>
> so I would need to get over 6,000 a month before costs and taxes for
> running a business as I have very high medic costs
> that is why I would want to run it as a 501(c) or " church" that way
> any money not needed for temple opps could go to NR,
>
> vale
> Marcus Cornelius Felix
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

>
> Cn. Cornelius M. Cornelio Felici sal.
>
> Thank you for the link, Cornelius. It's very useful.
>

Your very welcome ,anything for other Cornelia.allways there if you
need anything

Marcus Cornelius Felix
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

Salve,

I also agree with virtual temples but at the same time I think it pulls us away from the Gods. The Gods need a public place to be worshipped not only on our computers. Even though we are in the 21st century some things should be left out of the virtual world. I hope many have visions of grand temples around the world one day so that the Gods can be worshipped properly.

Lucius Iulius Regulus

Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
T.Flavius Aquila Caeso Fabi Buteo Modiano salutem plurimam dicit

I agree that a web presence is a start , but we need to move on, especially in the 10th year of Nova Roma
and build real temples !

The eternal Gods deserve real temples with offerings, public rites and priests.

I call on all Citizens to support the Real temple for the Gods in Rome project!

Vale/Valete optime
Titus Flavius Aquila
Tribunus Plebis designatus
Scriba Censoris

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An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Dienstag, den 4. Dezember 2007, 01:24:46 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: why the priesthood is not moving on the RELIGIO ROMANA ADMINISTRATION (LONG)

I certainly see immense value in our web presence. But the Gods
should be honored through offerings and supplication. A website is no
substitute to offerings, but they are valuable and do serve a great
purpose. I meant no offense, I simply do not like the term "virtual
temple."

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Dec 3, 2007 6:33 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@ciarin. com> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> And? I don't see your point. Of course it's a website, that's why I
> said "online temple" and "virtual temple". You easily dismiss this as
> a mere website, but it's really better than nothing at all. You can
> learn about the deity, about the rituals, find others who believe like
> you do etc.
>
> Would you just as easily dismiss Nova Roma's website as well?
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella

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Ex offico Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

I hereby issue a call for candidates to fill the last remaining
offices to be elected in 2760 a.u.c..

Those elected shall serve a term beginning January 1, 2761

3 QUAESTORES:

Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761 (January 1st, 2008). Must
be assiduus.

1 CUSTODES:

Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian. 2761 (January 1st, 2008). Must
be assiduus.

Please announce your candidacy in the Nova Roman forum (main e-mail list)

To serve in any of these offices must have been a citizen for at least six
months by Kal. Ian. 2761 (January 1st, 2008) and be an assiduus (tax-paying)
citizen. I will submit an official list to the Magister Aranearius for
placement in the cista and will post the same to the Forum.

Candidates will be accepted until December 8th at 18:00 Roman time (CET)
The Contio will commence on December 10th 2760 and will conclude on the 16th
Pending favorable auspices

Given by my hand pr. Non. Dec. MMDCCLX A.U.C. ( December 4th 2760 A.U.C.),
at 18:52 roman time in the consulship of L. Arminius Faustus and Ti.
Galerius Paulinus.

I agree, however, NM has the best NM food around. Only in NM can you get chile from Espanola. The best there is. I know of no New Mexican places in NY. And again, It is not the same as Mexican food. Two different critters.
T.A Germanicus

Jorge Hernandez <centurion_4545@...> wrote:
Listen to Cato. He knows what he's talking about. In fact (at the risk of sounding like a chauvinistic New Yorker), I would bet that NYC has probably got the best and most varied restaurants in the world.

Gaius Equitius Cato wrote: Cato T. A. Germanico sal.

Salve Germanus.

I'll have you know we have some of the finest Mexican cooking in the
world here in NYC!



Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, bill segura wrote:
>
> Gumbo? In Nashville? Thats like eating tacos in Manhattan.
> Thanks for the invite though. If you like religious sites come to
New Mexico. Ours date back
> to the 16th century. I will have a Lars Tetens Happy Cuba and a
bottle of Back Maple Hill
> Burbon.
> T.A. Germanicus
>
> "Patrick D. Owen"
wrote:
> Aurelianus Germanico sal.
>
> Buy your own blasted ballcap from CafePress! Unless you are playing
> baseball, I have never understood why everybody likes baseball
> caps. They don't keep the weather off and you always burn the back
> of your neck. I prefer panamas in the summer and Stetsons or
> borsolinos in the winter. Keeps my skin young, it does!
>
> Why don't you come up to the Nashville in Austrorientalis sometime
> and we'll go out for some Irish music, cigars, booze, and I'll show
> you around the religious sites. We can talk reform and discuss the
> finer points of the Religio and good plebeian cooking. You like
> pulses in your gumbo?
>
> Vale.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, bill segura wrote:
> >
> > We are not virtual people. We function as NR people outside of the
> internet.
> > If you want to issue something, issue a ball cap.....at least it
> would be useful
> > Respectfully
> > T. A. Germanicus
> >
> > PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> > The purpose of a membership/citizenship card is to provide a
> physical sign
> > that Nova Roma has taken a step to out of the internet NR world
> into the real
> > world that we all inhabit. It demonstrates that our organization
> is able to
> > give the citizens of our organization something tangible to have
> that ties
> > them to one another. Some individuals have the ability to consider
> themselves
> > part of Nova Roma without a tangible object but others need to
> have some
> > physical object or be able to attend an event/meeting/conventus so
> that they may
> > interact with others. It is the nature of human beings that most
> of us
> > require the social and intellectual intercourse with one another
> so as to
> > reinforce the feeling of belonging to a group of like-minded
> people.
> >
> > In the real world, we know that we are part of a country by the
> daily use of
> > our currency, seeing our flag being flown, speaking our native
> language, and
> > enjoying the day-to-day intercourse with other individuals with
> who we are
> > bound by national, regional, local, social, and spiritual ties.
> >
> > In Nova Roma, we are just beginning to be able to do this by
> displaying the
> > NR flag or emblem, have NR currency, put up an NR calendar, and
> (in some
> > areas) attending NR events where we can enjoy the normal
> intercourse and exchange
> > that we enjoy in our everyday lives.
> >
> > Of course, this is just my opinion.
> >
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
> >
> >
> >
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Mexican food is good. NM food much better and just as diverse. I have to admit though, Mexican corn tortillas, fresh ones, cannot be beat. Chile, red and green are just about a religion here. I travel to Mexico quite often. I find most of it bland. Give me fire! Ahhhhh red chile.....arrrrrrg.
T A Gemanicus
Great to break things up with fun talk

Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
Maior Severo Catonique sal;
oh I am laughing. As someone who has eaten in Mexico City,
*bliss*, and in San Miguel Allende, *bliss squared*. Forget it. What
they sell in upper North America, does not come close to the taste,
sophistication, diversity of real Mexican cuisine(s).

I suggest we hold an American conventus is Provincia Mexico so
Severus can prove me right:)!
a bowl of Tlalpeño soup please....¡me gusta hablar con mis
amigos Novos Romanos y comer los comidos fantasticos!
Maior

>
> I would suggest you consider the following:
>
>
> Toloache, on 50th St.
>
> Maya, on First Ave.
>
> Rosa Mexicano, on First Ave. (not the one on the West Side -

nothing

> good ever comes from the West Side)
>
> Suenos, on 17th St.
>
> Mi Cocina, on Hudson St.
>
> Mercadito, on Ave. B
>
>
>
> vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Iulius Severus
> wrote:
> >
> > Severus Cato omnibusque sal.
> >
> > When you state that "we have some of the finest Mexican

cooking in

> the world here in NYC", sure you're not talking about Taco Bell...
> > Seriously, I still have to find a really first class Mexican
> restaurant in the United States. You have some good, even very

good...

> Not too many, to be precise. But "some of the best Mexican cooking

in

> the world"? That sound a little bit exaggerated to me, amice...
> >
> > Vale bene,
> >
> > SEVERVS
> >
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Salvete!:
Let's say that, while all those mails discussing restaurants in NY and other places got into the list at once (over a 2 hour span from the time I sent my own mail to the list), this one took several hours to get through. While I can understand that Internet might not work as well as expected... well, it made me wonder... did I mention any "sensitive" subject?. Let's see how long it takes this time.
Valete.
Gaia Iulia Agrippa

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From: "Gens Iulia" <maite_cat@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Magna Mater vs Trias Capitolina, plus a bit on Constantine


Salve!:
I think you have a very good point here, if we are to place our main focus into pre-Imperial Rome, mostly.
On the other hand, it is true that some "foreign" woships were included into Roman life, as long as new land and regions were conquered.
I don't have my references at hand right now, but if my memory serves me right (by the way, thanks a lot to those who wished me a happy birthday last week!), Roman lawyers and priests were sent into each new region to adapt local laws and worships into a tolerable fashion for both central and provincial Governments.
Which takes me to the Constantine issue. While I don't like the guy, and wish, as well as others, that Julian had lived a bit longer, I think that placing the whole load into the religious issue is simply a mistake, or an over simplifyied view on the whole thing. Christianity, by Constantine's time, was not only a religious but also a political issue.
There was (surely Fl. Galerius Aurelianus will correct me if I'm wrong) also a great deal of internal turmoil among Christians themselves (Valentinian "heresy", as well as others, was creating quite a lot of stir back then).
So Constantine's idea of creating "one Empire" under "one Emperor" and "one Religion", was more a political ruse than a religious one. Speaking out of personal experience as well (as many other cives around the world surely can too) most totalitarian regimes tend to fall into this thinking. In my own country, Military Dictatorships were also sustained by the Church (up to the point that allowed many of their own priests and nuns be kidnapped, tortured and murdered if they didn't abide local politics), because it was a good way to control people's thinking, and keep it "homogeneous", thus not allowing personal differences and preferences to appear. So there you have it.
A TRUE ROMAN SPIRIT SHOULD ALLOW ALL RELIGIONS TO BE WORSHIPPED, AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT OPPOSE AND ALSO RESPECT (I sound like Ali G) EACH OTHER.
I'm all about chipping in regarding the "missing Deities" at the Religio Romana website or Wiki. I might not do such a good job at it (being a shrink, not a historian) but I'll try to do my best "with a little bit of help from my friends", of course.
Valete!.
Gaia Iulia Agrippa.


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From: "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Magna Mater vs Trias Capitolina


G.Petronius Dexter omnibus civibus Novae Romae S.P.D,

Ex patribus conscriptis exquiro quare in templo Magnae Matri
restituendo imprimis nos opes et operam ponere vellent ? Etenim Magna
Mater quasi inquilina dea est, M. Cornelio Cethego P. Sempronio
Tuditano coss navi Romam importata et in templo Victoriae locata est.

Je demande aux Pères Conscrits pourquoi veulent-ils que nous donnions
notre peine et nos ressources à restituer le temple de Magna Mater ?
Cybele est comme une déesse locataire, elle fut apportée à Rome en
bâteau sous les consuls M. Cornelius Cethegus et P. Sempronius
Tuditanus (204 BC) et fut logée dans le temple de la victoire.

Quare non a principio inchoemus ? Quare triadem Capitolinam non
restituemus (Jovem et Junonem et Minervam)?

Pourquoi ne pas commencer par le début ? Pourquoi ne restituerons-nous
pas la Triade Capitoline (Juppiter, Junon, Minerve) ?

Curate ut valeatis.

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