Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Jan 1-7, 2008

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54470 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Custode S Ullerius, his oath
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54471 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Request for all new magistrates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54472 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54473 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Quaestoral Oath of Office - L. Vitellius Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54474 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54475 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Thank You for Your Service
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54476 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54477 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Happy New Year!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54478 From: marcus_hirtius_ahenobarbus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: A Dream (Interpretation)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54479 From: marcus_hirtius_ahenobarbus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54480 From: M. Martianius Lupus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54481 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE OF PRAETOR M. CURIATIUS COMPLUTENSIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54482 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: KALENDAE IANUARIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54483 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: SACRIFICIUM ANNUAE SACRAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54484 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE OF DIRIBITOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54485 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE OF DIRIBITOR (Latin and Portuguese)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54486 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: A week in Rome in February - help please
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54487 From: Equestria Iunia Laeca Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath Of Office - Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54488 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Quintus Fabius Maximus - His Oath
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54489 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Aedilis curulis Albucius oath of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54490 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Bonam Annum Novum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54491 From: James V Hooper Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Bonam Annum Novum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54492 From: hikerbill40 Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: A week in Rome in February - help please
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54493 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Consul edicit ut senatus frequens adsit
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54494 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of office - QUAESTOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54495 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of office as Rogator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54496 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Diribitor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54497 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Quaestor Cn. Lentulus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54499 From: Maior Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Quaestrix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54500 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: 10th Anniversary New Year Sacrifice for NR and Pannonia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54501 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM CURIATI-IULI DE SCRIBAE CREATIONE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54502 From: Svm Stoicus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: My Oath
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54503 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Opening of the Sacred Year of Concordia - Opening of the Tenth Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54504 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM CURIATI DE SCRIBAE CREATIONE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54505 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Edictum Rogatoris Gn. Equitius Marinus de Scriba Creatione
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54506 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Seven Wonders of the Roman World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54507 From: Tiberius Antonius Romulus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: A week in Rome in February - help please
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54508 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Edict on EQUITES and MACELLUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54509 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: SACRIFICIUM ANNUAE SACRAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54510 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: EDICTUM CONSULARE I: DE CREATIONE ACCENSORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54511 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54512 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Start the new (calender) year right
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54513 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Start the new (calender) year right
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54514 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54515 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Start the new (calender) year right
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54516 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Start the new (calender) year right
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54517 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54518 From: Maior Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Oath of Office - Quaestrix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54519 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Please take me off moderation lease
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54520 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: A few observations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54521 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: a. d. IV Nonas Ianuarias
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54522 From: M.CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Please take me off moderation lease
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54523 From: Inigo Fernandez Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Seven Wonders of the Roman World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54524 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: A few observations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54525 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: A few observations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54526 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: yahoo posting delays
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54527 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54528 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Religion and the Tribunalis - Nova Constantinople??
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54529 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54530 From: Tuloup Pierre-Jean Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office: Rogator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54531 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: A few observations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54532 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM CURIATI DE SCRIBAE CREATIONE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54533 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: A few observations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54534 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM CURIATI DE SCRIBAE CREATIONE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54535 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54536 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54537 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54538 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM CURIATI DE SCRIBAE CREATIONE CORRECTION)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54539 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54540 From: liviacases Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: A few observations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54541 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54542 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: oath - magister areanarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54543 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: BONA COMPITALIA!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54544 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54545 From: M.CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Compitalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54546 From: M.CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: BOUNCING MEMBERS IN THE ML AND IN THE NOVA ROMA ANNOUNCE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54547 From: qvalerius Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54548 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Ianuarias: Paci Augusti
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54549 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Seven Wonders of the Roman World
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54550 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: A group dedicated to new or prospective citizens, 1/3/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54551 From: os390account Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: oath - magister areanarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54552 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54553 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Compitalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54554 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Election of Custos.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54555 From: M.CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Compitalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54556 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Election of Custos.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54557 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54558 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Election of Custos.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54559 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54560 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54561 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Election of Custos.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54562 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54563 From: qvalerius Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54564 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54565 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54566 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54567 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Procuro assistente de tradução
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54568 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Aediles Urbs 2761 a.u.c.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54569 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54570 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Aediles Urbs 2761 a.u.c.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54571 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54572 From: qvalerius Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54573 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54574 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Aediles Urbs 2761 a.u.c.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54575 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54576 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Election of Custos.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54577 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54578 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Pridie Nonas Ianuarias
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54579 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54580 From: Mary Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: History fact ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54581 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54582 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54583 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54584 From: phoebusix Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54585 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54586 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54587 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE OF PRAETOR M. IVLIVS SEVERVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54588 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: COMING BACK
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54589 From: Wade MacMorrighan Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54590 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54591 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: EDICTUM CONSULARE II: DE ACCENSORUM NOMINATIONE.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54592 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: EDICTUM CONSULARE II: DE ASSIGNATIONE QUAESTORUM.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54593 From: charrea68 Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Poem: 'Charrea's Letter to his Brother'
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54594 From: James V Hooper Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54595 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Edict on EUROPEAN CONVENTUS 2761 to 2763 auc (2008 to 2010)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54596 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Edict on EUROPEAN CONVENTUS 2761 to 2763 auc (2008 to 2010)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54597 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54598 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54599 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54600 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Custodes and Diribitors - Emeriti and current
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54601 From: qvalerius Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54602 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54603 From: marcus_hirtius_ahenobarbus Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: California Storm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54604 From: Wade MacMorrighan Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54605 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54606 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: California Storm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54607 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: NONAE IANUARIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54608 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54609 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54610 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54611 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Feriae Vicae Potae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54612 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54613 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Fw: The Morrighan Speaks...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54614 From: Paolo Eutimo Cristiano Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: FELICEM NOVUM ANNUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54615 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: California Storm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54616 From: sstevemoore Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Feriae Vicae Potae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54617 From: liviacases Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54618 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Fw: The Morrighan Speaks...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54619 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: California Storm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54620 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: OT: The Morrighan Speaks... was "Idol-worshipping"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54621 From: os390account Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: OT: The Morrighan Speaks... was "Idol-worshipping"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54622 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift of the Vitellii to the Res Publica
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54623 From: Juan A. Garcia-Fuertes Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54624 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: a. d. VIII Eidus Ianuariae: Pyrrhus and Kore
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54625 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: Fw: The Morrighan Speaks...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54626 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: the last deification emperor of Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54627 From: marcus_hirtius_ahenobarbus Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: California Storm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54628 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift of the Vitellii to the Res Publica
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54629 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Il tunnel segreto di Augusto
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54630 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift of the Vitellii to the Res Publica
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54631 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: OT: The Morrighan Speaks... was "Idol-worshipping"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54632 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: The Official Nova Roma Calendar from Saturninus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54633 From: geranioj@aol.com Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: Il tunnel segreto di Augusto
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54634 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: The Official Nova Roma Calendar from Saturninus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54635 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: In Vino Veritas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54636 From: sstevemoore Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Water Systems in Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54637 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: In Vino Veritas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54638 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Rudimenta Latina course to start at AT
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54639 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: Rudimenta Latina course to start at AT
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54640 From: qvalerius Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: In Vino Veritas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54641 From: Adriano Rota Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: Re: In Vino Veritas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54642 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: Re: Rudimenta Latina course to start at AT
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54643 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: New edition of the course Rudimenta Latina (LL-P-1) ready for boardi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54644 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: a. d. VII Eidus Ianuariae: Feriale Cumanum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54645 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: Re: In Vino Veritas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54646 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: Re: In Vino Veritas



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54470 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Custode S Ullerius, his oath
Valetudo quod fortuna omnes;

On this 1st day of January, 2008 CE, being also Kal. Ianuarius
MMDCCLXI A.V.C in the consulship of Marcus Moravius Piscinus
Horatianus and Titus Iulius Sabinus;

I, Steven Patrick Robinson, also known as Stephanus Ullerius Venator
Piperbarbus, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova
Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the
Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Stephanus Ullerius Venator
Piperbarbus, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my
public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus, swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus, swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus, further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Custode to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Custode and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ego, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus, hac re ipsa decus Novae
Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae
acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus, officio custodis Novae
Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae
temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me
persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus, Religioni Romanae me
fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me
acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus officiis muneris custodis
me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus custodis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias, Custode et Lictor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54471 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Request for all new magistrates
Salve Tite Iuli,

You're most welcome. Don't worry about the "hon" thing. Where I
live, it's ubiquitous for waitresses in restaurants to call everyone
who walks in the door "hon." It's such a Baltimore area joke that
there's even a Cafe Hon in Baltimore. I get called "hon" all the time.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> writes:

> SALVETE!
>
> Probably my son will reply, too. To avoid that I present the
> corrected version:
>
> "Thank you honorable Equiti Marine for this post"
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54472 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Happy New Year
Salvete Quirites,

I wish you all joy of the day, and the very best for the year to come.

Valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54473 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Quaestoral Oath of Office - L. Vitellius Triarius
L. Vitellius Triarius Civibus et Senatus Novae Romae SPD

My Oath of Office:

Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher), hac re ipsa decus
Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae
acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher), officio quaestoris
Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae
publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque
vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher), Religioni Romanae me
fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me
acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher) officiis muneris
quaestoris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus quaestoris una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI a.u.c. M. Moravio T. Iulio cos.

---------------------------------------------

I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher) do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James
Hatcher) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
life.

I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Lucius Vitellius Triarius (James Hatcher) further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

The 1st of Januarius 2761 AUC / 2008 CE in the consulship of M.
Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54474 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Happy New Year
Salvete omnes,

May everyone have a safe and happy New Year! May Vulcan watch over us
and limit the destruction caused by our fiery tongues and hot tempers,
and allow us to forge new beginnings together for the good of the
Respublica in this coming year!

Vale optime,
Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54475 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Thank You for Your Service
Salvete outgoing Magistrates,

Thank you for your valued service over the past year to our Respublica.
May your wisdom, counsel and guidance continue to aid our citizens and
new magistrates in the coming year, and help us all reach greater
heights together in this tenth year of the Respublica.

Valete optime,
Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54476 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Salve Frater et Amice Triari! Annum Novum Faustum Tibi
et Tua Familia!!! Bene vale! Frater tuus, Gaivs
Ivlianvs
--- "L. Vitellius Triarius"
<lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> May everyone have a safe and happy New Year! May
> Vulcan watch over us
> and limit the destruction caused by our fiery
> tongues and hot tempers,
> and allow us to forge new beginnings together for
> the good of the
> Respublica in this coming year!
>
> Vale optime,
> Triarius
>
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54477 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Happy New Year!
Salvete,

My New Year's wish for you all for 2008:

May the Gods grant you good health, a full belly, a cozy home to live in, someone who loves you to snuggle up to at night and the wisdom to know that this is all we really need to be happy!

Valete,
Diana Octavia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54478 From: marcus_hirtius_ahenobarbus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: A Dream (Interpretation)
Salve,

I had a very interesting dream last night. I thought I might share
it so that anyone who knows about/likes dream interpretation might
take a shot at an interpretation. (You may interpret based on
psychology/religion/spiritual belief...Id be interested either way.)

Also, NR was a theme.


It began as such:

I stood before a path. With me was my father, and a member of NR.
The member of NR was a gray haired gentleman and I had the
impression that he was wise and respected. This was not a
representation of any real person I know, just some creation of my
mind.

The path lead up a mountain/hill towards some place the NR gentleman
wanted to show me. I had no feeling towards why my father was
present, only that he was there with me.

Before we began up the path the NR gentleman gave me a warning, he
said that the path was filled with danger. He said to be vigilant.

We began walking up the path, I in the lead with my father and the
gentleman behind. I had not been walking for long before I noticed a
rattlesnake ahead of me (this was a western diamond back, as is
common here where I live)

I carefully moved around the snake and continued along the path.
Then another rattlesnake was before me. I moved around this one as
well. I turned around a bend in the path...and in front of me the
path was covered in rattlesnakes, hundreds of them writhing along
the ground and around the rocks.

I turned around and looked at my father and the gentleman. They both
looked back at me expectantly and said nothing. So, I turned back
around and continued along the path...the snakes hissed and writhed
but I did not step on any of them, and none of them struck at me.

After a while I came to the top of the hill, the end of the path.
There was a small white building perhaps forty feet high, with a
domed roof.

I entered the building with my father and the gentleman. The floor
of the building was earth, and on the floor was another rattlesnake.
This snake was very large, and I knew that it was very old and also
female. (as you sometimes simply know things in dreams) The
gentleman bent down close to the snake and bid me to do the same. I
did, and the gentleman told me to watch. As I did so the snake
slowly shed its skin and then slithered away.

The gentleman then stood up and indicated it was time to leave. As
we left the building, I looked up and saw that the inside of the
dome was covered in iron plates, and upon each of these plates was a
word in latin. (though certainly these words were actually
gibberish, they represented latin words that I did not recognize in
the dream)

I led us all back down the path, which was still covered in
snakes...which again did not strike me.

At the end of the path was a lake. The gentleman told me to swim in
it. I jumped in and when I came to the surface the gentleman was
gone, and my father told me it was time to leave. Sometime after
that I awoke.

End


Now, if anyone is interested Id like to see a serious
interpretation. Otherwise please ignore the post. If anyone
interested needs to ask any questions before taking a stab at an
interpretation, feel free to email me and I will answer.


Vale,

M. Hirtius Ahenobarbus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54479 From: marcus_hirtius_ahenobarbus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Salve,

Happy New Year Triarius!

I wish for all citizens, and all people, a happy new year!


Vale,


M. Hirtius Ahenobarbus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54480 From: M. Martianius Lupus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office
M. Martianius Lupus Civibus et Senatus Novae Romae SPD:

Bonum Annum Novum faustum felicem !

My oath of office:

Ego, Marcus Martianius Lupus (David Joseph Parker), hac re ipsa
decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae
Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Martianius Lupus, officio Diribitoris Novae Romae
accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus
culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum
esse IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Martianius Lupus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam
defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse,
ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Martianius Lupus officiis muneris Diribitoris me quam
optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Diribitoris una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

Datum sub manu mea Kal Ian AUC MMDCCLXI M. Moravio T. Iulio cos.

~~~~~~~~~~~

I, Marcus Martianius Lupus (David Joseph Parker) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Martianius Lupus swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marcus Martianius Lupus swear to uphold and defend the Religio
Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a
way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Marcus Martianius Lupus swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marcus Martianius Lupus further swear to fulfill the obligations
and responsibilities of the office of Diribitor to the best of my
abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Diribitor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Given by my hand on the first of January, 2761 years from the
founding of the City of Roma, in the consulship of M. Moravius and T.
Iulius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54481 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE OF PRAETOR M. CURIATIUS COMPLUTENSIS
ENGLISH:

I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Paetor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.



LATINE:

Ego, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), officio praetoris Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), praetoris officiis muneris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus praetoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.



ESPAÑOL:

Yo, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), por la presente juro solemnemente enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los
legítimos intereses del Senado y el Pueblo de Nova Roma.


Como magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) , juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades
públicas, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro mantener y defender la Religión Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca
actuar de manera que pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.

Yo, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro además cumplir con las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Praetor, poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.

Por mi honor de ciudadano de Nova Roma, en presencia de los Dioses y Diosas del Pueblo Romano y por su voluntad y favor, acepto la posición de Praetor y todos los derechos, privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades que a ella corresponden.



Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI A.U.C. M. Moravio T. Iulio cos.







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54482 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: KALENDAE IANUARIAE
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Salvete vosque bona Strenia auctet ope

Hodie est Kalendae Decembriae; haec dies nefastus est: DIE QUINTI TE
KALO, IUNO COVELLA: natalis Vediovi; natalis Aesculapi; Streniae

"A prosperous day dawns: favour our thoughts and speech!
Let auspicious words be said on this auspicious day." ~ Ovid, Fasti
1.71-72

"Janus, You begin each fleeting year, and renew the long ages
wherever You appear, though vows and incense are piously first
offered to You, and the consuls begin each year by laying offerings
at Your feet." ~ Martial 8.8.1-5

The New Year began with the Auspici Magistratum, where the consuls
took the auspices for the coming year at the Auguralium on the Arx.
Moving past the Temple of Vediovis the consuls next offered
sacrifices to Jupiter at the Capitolium and made vows for the welfare
of the City before calling upon the Senate to formally seek its
advice.

After AUC 600 (153 BCE), when magistrates first began to take office
on 1 January rather than 1 March, certain traditions for the New Year
were transferred to this day as well. One was a procession that led
from the sacellum of Strenia at the head of the Via Sacra up to the
Arx where the consuls took their auspices. The consuls would have
begun preparing shortly after midnight, then gone to the Arx to await
sunrise for taking the first signs of day. Symmachus tells us that
the procession from Strenia's shrine was conducted just before
sunrise, and thus it may have conducted as an escort for the
inauguration of the consuls. In this procession sacred twigs from
Her grove were carried. The tradition was said to have gone back to
the days when Tatius was king with Romulus (Symmachus, epistle
10.35). The twigs could therefore have been the Sabine herb juniper,
which was used for purification rituals. Friends exchanged gifts,
called strenae, as a way of passing on wishes of prosperity and good
fortune for the New Year.

"Omens attend upon beginnings." ~ Ovid, Fasti 1.178


"Latona's grandson, revered Aesculapis, by whose mild herbal remedies
too briefly are the Fates beguiled." ~Martial 9.17

AUC 460 / 293 BCE: Arrival of Aesculapius

"The year had been a happy one in many ways, but this was hardly
adequate consolation for the one major disaster: the plague that
raged through town and countryside alike. The devastation it caused
was thought to be an evil omen, and thus the Sibylline Oracles were
consulted to find what limits or remedy the Gods proposed for it
ravages. The Books revealed that Aesculapius must be summoned from
Epidaurus to Rome; however because the consuls were busy engaged in a
war, nothing was done about it that year except that one day was set
aside for a supplicatio for the God." ~ Titus Livius 10.47.6

"When the people suffered from a plague, envoys were sent to bring a
statue of Aesculapius from Epidaurus to Rome. They brought with them
a snake that had joined them in the ship, and which no doubt was a
manifestation of the god; from the ship, it went to the island in the
Tiber, to the place where the temple of Aesculapius has been
erected." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 11.3


AUC 559 / 194 BCE: Insula Temple of Vediovis

L. Furius Purpureo vowed a temple for Vediovis during his victory
over the Carthaginians under Hamilcar and their Gallic allies at
Cremona in 200 BCE (Livy 31.21). The temple was then dedicated six
years later on the Insula in (Livy 34.53).


AUC 865 / 112 CE: Dedication of Trajan's Forum.

AUC 946 / 193 CE: Ascension of Pertinax.


Today's thought is from Titus Livius 45.8.7:

"At length he will become a man of virtue whose mind is neither
carried away in good times nor is disheartened by adversity."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54483 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: SACRIFICIUM ANNUAE SACRAE
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Consul: Patribus Mátribusque
Conscriptís, Populo Novo Romano, Quiritibus omnibusque: salutem
plurimam dicit:


Annum novum bonum faustum felicem!


In accordance with the tradition begun by Consul Cn. Salvius Astur on
the Kalendae Ianuariae MMDCCLVII and continued in the following years
by Consules C. Popillius Laenas, K. Fabius Buteo Modianus, and L.
Arminius Faustus, notice is hereby given that later today I shall
perform the annual Consular Sacrificial Ceremony offered to the Di
Immortales in the following manner.


SACRIFICIUM ANNUAE SACRAE



I. INITIUM


Praeco dicit:

"Hoc agite! Ite procul, sacer est locus, ite profani!"

Lictor dicit:

"Hostis vinctus, puer, virgo exesto!"


II. PRAEFATIO

The Consul washes his hands in preparation for the Praefatio:

"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

(May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses
the air.)

Praeco dicit:

"Adeste dique hominesque sacris. Procul hinc, procul ite nocentes si
cui corde nefas tacitum fessique senectus longa patris, si quis
pulsatae conscius umquam matris et inferna rigidum timet Aeacon urna:
insontes castosque voco."

(Come, be present, Gods and men, to these holy rites. Begone, you
wicked folk, begone far from here, all whose hearts harbor unspoken
an unholy desire, any who thinks their elderly relatives have lived
too long, or you who are conscious of ever having struck your own
mother, fear the urn of unbending Aeacus in the Underworld. I call
only upon the innocent and the chaste.)

Consul dicit:

"Pro Senatu Novo Romano, ego, M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Consul
dico, edico:"

(For the Senate and People of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Moravius Piscinus
Horatianus, the Consul say and announce:)

"Iane pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

(Father Ianus, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers,
so that You may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova
Roma.)

Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

(Father Mars, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers, so
that You may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova
Roma.)

Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

(Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to You I pray good
prayers, so that You may be propitious to me and the Senate and
People of Nova Roma.)

Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Ianus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small
portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Mars pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Mars, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of
wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus
sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Quirinus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small
portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.



III. PRECATIO


Hands are washed in preparation for the Precatio:

"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

(May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses
the air.)

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti tibi in illeis libreis scriptum est,
quarumque rerum ergo, quodque melius siet populo Novo Romano
Quiritibus, tibi hoc sacrum fiat: te quaeso precorque, uti imperium
maiestatemque populi Novi Romani Quiritium auxis, utique
incolumitatem sempiternamque victoriam valetudinemque populo Novo
Romano Quiritibus des, faveasque populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Remque Publicam Liberam populi Novi Romani Quiritium salvam serves,
maioremque facias, uti sis volens propitius populo Novo Romano
Quiritibus, Senatui Novo Romano, sacerdotibus populi Novi Romani,
nobis, domibus, familiis, et uti huius sacrifici acceptor sies; harum
rerum ergo macte esto fito volens propitius populo Novo Romano
Quiritibus, Senatui Novo Romano, sacerdotibus Novis Romanis, nobis,
domibus, familiis."

(Jupiter Optimus Maximus, as it is prescribed for You in the (sacred)
books – and for this reason may good fortune attend the people of
Nova Roma, the Quirites – let sacrifice be made to You. I ask and I
pray that You may increase the imperium and majesty of the people of
Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that You may grant eternal safety,
victory and health to the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that
You may protect the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that You
may keep safe and make greater the Free Republic of the people of
Nova Roma, the Quirites, and that You may be favorable and propitious
to the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites, to the Senate of Nova Roma,
to the priests and priestesses of the people of Nova Roma, to us, to
our homes, and to our households; and that You may accept this
sacrifice. For these reasons may You become strengthened and honored
with this sacrifice, may You become favorable and propitious to the
people of Nova Roma, the Quirites, to the Senate of Nova Roma, to the
priests and priestesses of the people of Nova Roma, to ourselves, to
our homes, and to our households.)

"Iuppiter, quo circa te, Capitoline, quem propter beneficia populus
Romanus Optimum, propter vim Maximum nominavit! Iuppiter, qui genus
colis alisque hominem, per quem vivimus vitalem aevom, quem penes
spes vitae sunt hominum omnium, da diem hunc sospitem quaeso meis
rebus agundis!"

(O Jupiter Capitolinus, to You I pray, I entreat You, who the Roman
people have named Optimus after Your kindness and Maximus after Your
great power. O Jupiter, who does cherish and nurture the human race,
through whom we live and draw the breath of life, in whom rest the
hopes and lives of all humankind, come now to this place, bless it in
happiness, illuminated in Your divine radiance, venerated and made
holy by Your presence.)

"Pater noster, in tua, pater carissime, in tua sumus custodia.
Iuppiter, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces praecor, uti sis volens
propitius nobis liberisque nostris, domibus familiisque nostris."

(Our Father, in You, dearest Father, in Your hands do we place our
safekeeping. Jupiter, in offering to You this incense I pray good
prayers that You may favor us, our children, our homes and our
households.)

"Iuppiter, te hoc libo obmovendo bonas preces precor, uti sis volens
propitius nobis liberisque nostris, domibus familiisque nostris,
mactus hoc ferto."

(Jupiter, in offering You this libum bread I pray good prayers in
order that, pleased with this offering of libum bread, You may be
favorable to us and our children, to our homes and our households.)

"Iovis pater, uti te libo obmovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Jupiter, for the same reasons given when offering to You
libum bread with good prayers, may You be warmed by this small
portion of our wine.)

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, qui res publicas Novas Romanas
nunc custodis defendisque, sicut res publicas maiorum nostrorum
Romanorum custodivisti defendistique, tibi fieri oportet in hoc
tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape
pullucenda esto."

(Iuppiter Best and Greatest, King of the Gods, who protects and
defends the public affairs of Nova Roma just as He protected and
defended the public affairs of our Roman fathers, to You it is proper
for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake
of this thing may You be honored by this feast offering.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Iuno, regina Deorum, quae materne nunc Senatum Populumque Novum
Romanum nutris, sicut Senatum Populumque Romanum in tempore maiorum
nostrorum nutrivisti, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii
culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Iuno, queen of the Gods, who maternally nurtures the Senate and
People of Nova Roma just as She nurtured the Senate and People of
Rome in the time of our fathers, to You it is proper for a cup of
wine to be given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this
thing may You be honored by this feast offering.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Minerva, sapientia aeterna, quae recte res publicas Novas Romanas
ducis, sicut res publicas maiorum nostrorum Romanorum duxisti, tibi
fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo
hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Minerva, eternal wisdom, who rightly guides the public affairs of
Nova Roma just as She rightly guided the public affairs of our Roman
fathers, to You it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this
time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may You be honored by
this feast offering.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Salus, benefactrix Senatus Populique Romani et fideiussorix salutis
nostrae, quae Novam Romam conservas, sicut Romam antiquam
conservavisti, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini
dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Salus, benefactor of the Roman Senate and People and guarantor of
our well-being, who preserves Nova Roma just as She preserved ancient
Rome, to You it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time
of beginning, for the sake of this thing may You be honored by this
feast offering.)

Libation of wine is made.



IV. REDDITIO


Hands are washed in preparation for the redditio.

"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

(May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses
the air.)

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda
esto, macte vino inferio esto."

(Iuppiter Best and Greatest, king of the Gods, may You be honored by
this feast offering, may You be honored by this small portion of
wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

"Iuno, regina Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino
inferio esto."

(Iuno, queen of the Gods, may You be honored by this feast offering,
may You be honored by the small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

"Minerva, sapientia aeterna, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte
vino inferio esto."

(Minerva, eternal wisdom, may You be honored by this feast offering,
may You be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

"Salus, benefactrix Novae Romae, macte istace dape pollucenda esto,
macte vino inferio esto."

(Salus, benefactrix of Nova Roma, may You be honored by this feast
offering, may You be honored by the small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus
sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Quirinus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small
portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Mars pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Mars, by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were
prayed well, for the sake of this be honored by this by this small
portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Iane pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Ianus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers
were well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small
portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Dea Vesta, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto."

(Goddess Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honored by this small
portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Vesta, perpetuorum custos ignium, vos publica voce obtestor atque
precor: custodi serva protege hanc Rem Publicam liberam, hunc
populum, hos consules, pacem concordiamque constantem Rei Publicae
nostrae tribue."

(Vesta, perpetual guardian of fire, to You the public voice calls and
prays: may You guard, preserve, and protect this Free Republic, this
People, these consuls; may You grant peace and steadfast concord for
our Republic.)

"Nil amplius vos hodie posco, superi, satis est."

(No more, Gods on High, do I ask of You today; it is enough.)

"Ilicet. Di deaeque omnes, superi atque inferi, vos semper ament et
felicitam volunt."

(Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you
and wish you happiness in all that is good.)

"Vadite in pace Deorum!"

(Go now in the peace of the Gods.)

And those observing the rite respond:

"Di immortales faciant, tam felix quam pium."

(May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious.)



V. PIACULUM


[I concluded with a piaculum to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno,
Miverva, and Salus in the event I might have done anything during the
ceremony that might be displeasing to the Immortals.]

"Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva, Salus, Di Immortales, si
quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam
peto et vitium meum expio."

(Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno, Minerva, and Salus, Immortal Gods,
if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this by this
small portion of wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Di Immortales Romae civibus Novis Romanis et praesentibus et futuris
faveant!"

(May the Immortal Gods of Rome bless the citizens and future Citizens
of Nova Roma.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54484 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE OF DIRIBITOR
I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus (André Wemans) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus (André Wemans) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus (André Wemans) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus (André Wemans) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Aemilius Crassus (André Wemans) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Diribitor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Diribitor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI a.u.c.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54485 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE OF DIRIBITOR (Latin and Portuguese)
Ego, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, officio Diribitoris Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Aemilius Crassus officiis muneris Diribitoris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Diribitoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

Eu, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, juro solenemente defender a honra de Nova Roma, e de agir sempre em nome dos melhores interesses do povo e do Senado de Nova Roma.

Como magistrado de Nova Roma, eu, Gaius Aemilius Crassus juro honrar os Deuses e Deusas de Roma nas minhas acções públicas, e praticar as Virtudes Romanas na minha vida pública e privada.

Eu, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, juro promover e defender a Religio Romana como a religião do Estado de Nova Roma, mais juro em como nunca agirei de forma a ameaçar o seu estatuto como a religião de Estado.

Eu, Gaius Aemilius Crassus, juro proteger e defender a constituição de Nova Roma.

Eu, Gaius Aemilius Crassus mais juro cumprir as obrigações e responsabilidades do cargo de Diribitor até ao limite das minhas capacidades.

Em nome da minha honra como cidadão de Nova Roma, e na presença dos Deuses e Deusas do povo Romano e através da sua vontade e favor, eu aceito o cargo de Diribitor e todos os seus direitos, privilégios, obrigações e responsabilidades inerentes ao mesmo.

Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI a.u.c.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54486 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: A week in Rome in February - help please
Salve Romulus,
I forwarded your request of help to the Vrbs, the groups of nova romans living in Rome, I'm sure they would support you asap.
In any way for the accomodation there are several cheap hotels and b&b in the center of the city like close the Termini rail station or Piazza della Repubblica or San Giocvanni in Laterano. A friend of mine have apartements close the Colosseum, they are very cheap and comfortable, visit http://www.touristhouserome.com Yopu could find further accomodation surfing on the web and I suggest you http://en.venere.com/hotels_rome/
for the lines you'll find them at the entry of the most famous places in Rome. For the Vatican Museums you have to book them and you have to wait for more than a morning in lines. The entry to the colosseum, Palatine, Domus Aurea, Thermes and other fora the lines are very short and fast. But I would suggest you to contact the novaromans living in Rome to obtain information about further touristic places to visit.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Prafectus Italiae at Senator Consularis










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A week in Rome in February - help please
Posted by: "Tiberius Antonius Romulus" chrismidwestwisconsin@... tiberius_antonius_romulus
Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:30 pm (PST)
I was hoping people here could help me on making the most of my time
and seeing the greatest of the remnants of ancient Rome. I just read
Cicero I so have a good start on memorizing the Forum layout.

I'd really like advice on cheap places to stay (owned by Italians if
possible).

Also, best way to see things without standing in lines for hours (best
tour guides?)

Anything would be appreciated as I doubt I will be back to the capitol
of the world again. Personal emails best.

Thanks


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54487 From: Equestria Iunia Laeca Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath Of Office - Quaestor
Equestria Iunia Laeca quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae
me defensuram, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse
sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), officio quaestricis Novae Romae
accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus
culturam, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse
iuro.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle) Religioni Romanae me fauturam et
eam defensuram, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne
quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), officiis muneris quaesturae me
quam optime functuram esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus quaestricis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and Senate of Nova Roma.

As magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of quaestrix to the best of
my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of quaestrix and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.


Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI A.V.C. M. Moravio T. Iulio cos.

January 1, 2008, in the Consulship of M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and T.
Iulius Sabinus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54488 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Quintus Fabius Maximus - His Oath
Ego, Quintus Fabius Maximus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae
me defensuram, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse
sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Quintus Fabius Maximus officio quaestricis Novae Romae
accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus
culturam, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse
iuro.

Ego, Quintus Fabius Maximus Religioni Romanae me fauturam et
eam defensuram, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne
quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Quintus Fabius Maximus, officiis muneris quaesturae me
quam optime functuram esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus quaestricis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO

Let the Gods witness...

I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen Phenow) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen Phenow)
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen Phenow) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen Phenow) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen Phenow) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the
best of my abilities. On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the
presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and
favor, do I accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Done on this day Kal. IAN MMDCCLXI A.V.C in the consulship of Marcus
Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and Titus Iulius Sabinus.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54489 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Aedilis curulis Albucius oath of office
Pro legibus de iusiurando, please receive below, now that our censor,
consuls and our present praetor has pronounced their oath, my oath
for the office of curule aedile:


"Ego, Publius Memmius Albucius (Christophe Puissant), hac re ipsa
decus Novae
Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae
acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Publius Memmius Albucius, officio aedilis curulis Novae
Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae
temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me
persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, Publius Memmius Albucius, religioni romanae me
fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum
me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Publius Memmius Albucius, officiis muneris
aedilis curulis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus aedilis curulis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

Datum sub manu mea Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI auc M. Moravio Piscino T. Iulio
Sabino cos."

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"I, Publius Memmius Albucius (Christophe Puissant), do solemnly swear
to
uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the best
interests of the People and Senate of Nova Roma.

As Curule Aedile of Nova Roma, I, Publius Memmius Albucius,
swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Publius Memmius Albucius, swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State religion.

I, Publius Memmius Albucius, swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Publius Memmius Albucius, further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile
to the
best of my abilities.

On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the
gods and goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the office of Curule Aedile and all the rights,
privileges,
obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Given by my hand on the first of January, 2761 years from the
founding of the City of Roma, in the consulship of M. Moravius
Piscinus T. Iulius Sabinus."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54490 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Bonam Annum Novum
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus consul: Patribus Mátribusque
Conscriptís, Populo Novo Romano, Quiritibus, omnibusque: salutem
plurimam dicit: Annum novum bonum faustum felicem!

I wish you all a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year. The
holidays this season have been especially joyful for me, with many
friends and family members visiting, and feasting, and drinking,
coupled with much merriment. I hope the same has been for you and
that the merriment may continue now into this year.

Di Deaeque vos omnes semper ament.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54491 From: James V Hooper Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Bonam Annum Novum
Salve,
Thank you Marcus Horatius, and may I wish all on this list a very happy
mundane New Years, as well.
Vale,
Gaius Pompeius Marcellus


On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:46:28 -0000
"marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...> wrote:
> M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus consul: Patribus Mátribusque
> Conscriptís, Populo Novo Romano, Quiritibus, omnibusque: salutem
> plurimam dicit: Annum novum bonum faustum felicem!
>
> I wish you all a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year. The
> holidays this season have been especially joyful for me, with many
> friends and family members visiting, and feasting, and drinking,
> coupled with much merriment. I hope the same has been for you and
> that the merriment may continue now into this year.
>
> Di Deaeque vos omnes semper ament.
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54492 From: hikerbill40 Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: A week in Rome in February - help please
While far from the resident expert on life in Rome, I do spend several months a year there so, here goes:

An location where weekly or monthly rents are not outrageous is in the St. Paul area just off the Via Marconi and just across the Tiber. Subway and bus connections are right off the corner from the St. Paul basilica and Via Marconi with some excellent "local flavor" restaurants are within walking distance.

Close subway stops include the colosseum and the circus maximus and a quick change at Termini gets you to the Vatican quite quickly. As a rule, the farther north and west you go in the city environs, the more expensive the rents and hotels. Center city is simply outrageous but bargains can be found if you have the time to spend.

South is a different matter, with some bargain bedsits available in the Roma-Trastevere station area off Via Trastevere and just a block from Via Marconi. Again, you have to hunt. If your Italian is good enough to get you by some basic conversation, I suggest you try churches in the area, talk to the priest....they'll usually know someone in the parish who has rooms to rent.

Then there's the monastery stays. Some can be quite expensive but an investigation is worth the trouble if you are looking for an extended stay.

If the center is too strong a magnet, try conversing with some of the lay docents who patrol the porches of the major tourist churches and basilicas. Chances are they know someone with rooms to let.

Enjoy the greatest city in the world.


Tiberius Antonius Romulus <chrismidwestwisconsin@...> wrote:
I was hoping people here could help me on making the most of my time
and seeing the greatest of the remnants of ancient Rome. I just read
Cicero I so have a good start on memorizing the Forum layout.

I'd really like advice on cheap places to stay (owned by Italians if
possible).

Also, best way to see things without standing in lines for hours (best
tour guides?)

Anything would be appreciated as I doubt I will be back to the capitol
of the world again. Personal emails best.

Thanks






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54493 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Consul edicit ut senatus frequens adsit
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus consul: consuli collegae,
praetoribus, tribunis plebis, senatoribus patribus mátribusque
conscriptís, viris clarissimis et castissimae mulieribus, omibus
quibusque in senatu senteniam dicere licet: salutem plurimam dicit:

Annum novum faustum felicem


Iuppiter Optime Maxime et Fides perpetuorumque custos Vesta ignium,
vos publicá voce obtestor atque precor, uti custodiatis, servetis,
protegatis hanc Rem Publicam liberam, hunc populum, hos consules;
atque senatui sapientiam providentiamque ad bona consilia habenda
detis, pacem concordiamque constantem Rei Publicae nostrae tribuatis.

Jupiter Optimus Maximus, Fides, and Vesta, guardian of the eternal
flame, to You the public voice calls to witness and prays: may You
guard, preserve, and protect this Free Republic, this People, these
Consuls, and grant to the Senate wisdom and providence to advise
well, may You grant peace and steadfast concord for our Republic.

Vos hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor uti sitis volentis
propitius nobis liberisque noster domibus familiisque noster

In offering to You this incense I pray good prayers that You may
favor us, our children, our homes and our households.

Iuppiter Pater, custos rei secundae nostrae, perinde ac legiones
patrum nostrorum duxisti ut tellurem antiquam in Romanitatem
adducerent, duce nos ut etiam amplius beneficia Romanitatis vulgemus.
Ut recte nos in deliberationibus nostris regas et in amplexum sacrum
tuum hos conscriptos matres patresque Novae Romae comprehendas te
oro. Ut cum Salute et Concordia certamina nostra sanes, in mente
communi nos consocies, et re secunda victrici dignitatem huius
Senatus augeas te oro

Father Jupiter, guardian of our success, even as You led the legions
of our forefathers to bring Romanitas to the ancient world, lead us
that we may spread the benefits of Romanitas yet further. I beseech
You that You rightly guide us in our deliberations and take into Your
holy embrace these conscript mothers and fathers of Nova Roma. I
beseech You that with Salus and Concordia You heal our conflicts,
unite us in a common purpose, and with victorious success increase
the dignitas of this Senate.

Pater Iuppiter, te hoc vino inferio ommovendo bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia nobis, Senatui populi Novae Romae,
Quiritibus.

Father Jupiter, in offering to You this small portion of wine I pray
good prayers, in order that You may willingly be propitious to us,
the Senate of the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites.


Victoria Divina, custos et domina rei secundae nostrae, perinde ac
legiones patrum nostrorum duxisti ut tellurem antiquam in Romanitatem
adducerent, duce nos ut etiam amplius beneficia Romanitatis vulgemus.
Ut recte nos in deliberationibus nostris regas et in amplexum sacrum
tuum hos conscriptos matresque patresque Novae Romae comprehendas te
oro. Ut cum Salute et Concordia certamina nostra sanes, in mente
communi nos consocies, et re secunda victrici dignitatem huius
Senatus augeas te oro

Holy Victory, guardian and lady of our success, even as You led the
legions of our forefathers to bring Romanitas to the ancient world,
lead us that we may spread the benefits of Romanitas yet further. I
beseech You that You rightly guide us in our deliberations and take
into Your holy embrace these conscript mothers and fathers of Nova
Roma. I beseech You that with Salus and Concordia You heal our
conflicts, unite us in a common purpose, and with victorious success
increase the dignitas of this Senate.

Victoria Divina, te hoc vino inferio ommovendo bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia nobis, Senatui populi Novae Romae,
Quiritibus.

Holy Victory, in offering to You this small portion of wine I pray
good prayers, in order that You may willingly be propitious to us the
Senate of the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites.

Iuppiter Optime Maxime, sive quo alio nominee te appelari volueris,
Deaeque, si quidquam vos in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino
inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio

Jupiter Optimus Maximus, or by whatever other name You desire to be
called, and You Goddesses, if anything in this ceremony is
displeasing to You, with this small portion of wine I ask forgiveness
and expiate my fault.


Ex hoc ego Senatum populi Novae Romae convoco

I hereby declare the Senate of the People of Nova Roma convened.

Kal Ian AUC MMDCCLXI M. Moravio T. Iulio cos.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54494 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of office - QUAESTOR
TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS CIVIBUS NOVAE ROMAE SPD

I humbly come to your presence to pronounce my oath for the office of
Quaestor:

I, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best interests of the People and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira
Bastos Soledade), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), swear to
uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State
Religion.

I, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), swear to
protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), further swear
to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to
the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

Valete bene

TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
Quaestor
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Brasiliae
Interpres Linguae Lusitanicae
Scriba Censoris
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54495 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of office as Rogator
Gn. Equitius Marinus Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit:

Ego, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse
sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, officio Rogatoris Novae Romae accepto, deos
deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et
virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam
defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne
quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus officiis muneris Rogatoris me quam optime
functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Rogatoris una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

Datum sub manum mea, Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI ab urbe condita
M. Moravio T. Iulio cos.

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I, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus (William C. Gawne) do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus (William C.
Gawne) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus (William C. Gawne) swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus (William C. Gawne) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus (William C. Gawne) further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Rogator to the best
of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Rogator and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Given under my hand this first day of January, 2761 a.u.c. in the
Consulship of Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and Titus Iulius Sabinus

Gn. Equitius Marinus
Rogator, Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54496 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Diribitor
I, Sextus Postumius Albus (Sean Post) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Sextus Postumius Albus (Sean Post)
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Sextus Postumius Albus (Sean Post) swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Sextus Postumius Albus (Sean Post) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Sextus Postumius Albus (Sean Post) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Diribitor to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Diribitor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI a.u.c.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54497 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Quaestor Cn. Lentulus
CN. LENTVLVS QVAESTOR: QVIRITIBVS PANNONIAE: SAL.:

Avete, Novi Romani Qurites!


- LATIN VERSION

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus (Attila Gonda), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, officio Quaestoris Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, officiis muneris Quaestoris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Quaestoris, una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO


- ENGLISH VERSION:

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus (Attila Gonda) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


- HUNGARIAN VERSION

Én, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus (Gonda Attila), ezennel ünnepélyesen esküszöm,hogy Nova Roma becsületét megvédelmezem, és mindenkor a szenátus és Nova Roma népének érdekében cselekszem.

Én, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, elfogadván hivatalomat esküszöm, hogy Róma isteneit és istennõit minden közéleti tevékenységem során tisztelettel fogom illetni, és követni fogom a római erényeket mind a magán, mind a közösségi életben.

Én, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, esküszöm, hogy a Római Vallást óvni és védelmezni fogom, és nyílvánosan sohasem foglalok el vele ellentétes álláspontot, hogy kárt ne szenvedjen.

Én, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, esküszöm továbbá, hogy a Quaestori hivatallal járó feladataimat a lehetõ legjobb képességeim szerint látom el.

Én, nova római polgárjogomnál fogva a római nép istenei és istennõi elõtt és azok akarata és tetszése szerint a Quaestori hivatalt a velejáró összes joggal, kiváltsággal, kötelezettséggel és feladattal együtt elfogadom.




Valete, Novi Romani Quirites!


Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
QUAESTOR NOVAE ROMAE



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54499 From: Maior Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Quaestrix
Ego, Marca Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner, hac re ipsa decus
Novae Romae me defensuram, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae
acturam esse sollemniter IVRO.
Ego, Marca Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner) officio quaestricis
Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae
temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me
persecuturam esse IVRO.
Ego, Marca Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner), Religioni Romanae me
fauturam et eam defensuram, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me
acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.
Ego,Marca Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner) officiis muneris
quaestricis me quam optime functuram esse praeterea IVRO.
Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus quaestricis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54500 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: 10th Anniversary New Year Sacrifice for NR and Pannonia
+::ANNVS X NOVAE ROMAE::+


Cn. Lentulus quaestor et legatus pro praetore Pannoniae: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, senatui populoque Novo Romano: salutem plurimam:


The Tenth Year of Nova Roma has started today. I offered this sacrifice for Nova Roma and Pannonia in the beginning of the 10th Anniversary of Nova Roma.

This sacrifice was conducted before my home-altar:

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SACRIFICIVM KALENDARVM IANVARIARVM ANNI MMDCCLXI AVC ANNIVERSARII DECIMI NOVAE ROMAE CONDITAE


- INVOCATIO of all the gods:

Iane,
Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
Quirine, Venus, Vesta, Mercuri, Concordia, Fortuna!
Penates, Lares,
di Novensiles, dique Indigetes,
omnes divi quocumque nomine,
quorum est potestas nostrum hostiumque,
dique Manes!

- GRATVLATIO to all the gods:

Vos quaeso precorque,
uti vos praeteriti proxime anni Kalendis Ianuariis
bonis precibus bene precatus sum,
quibusque uti precibus satisfecistis:
earundem rerum ergo propterque omnia in praeterito proxime anno alia
mihi, domo, familiae data beneficia
macte his turis granis sacrificandis et hoc vino libando
estote fitote volentes propitii!

# After these words incense and wine were sacrificied. #

- PRECATIO of all the gods:

Quarum rerum ergo, quodque melius siet
renascenti Populo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae
in hodie incepto novo anno decimi anniversarii Novae Romae conditae:
vobis sacrum fiat:

Vos precor, veneror, veniam peto feroque,
uti Res Nostra, Res Romae reficiundae,
regignundi ac renascentis Populi Romani Quiritium,
Reique Publicae Populi Romani Quiritium renaturae
semper crescat, convalescat, continenter extendatur, augeatur;
fiantque multo plures Novi Romani Quirites;
motusque et consociatio ad Rem Romanam reficiundam instituatur;
utique Res Publica (ut dicta) Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
atque hoc anno anniversario decimo Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
utique Provincia Pannonia (ut dicta), cuius legatus pro praetore sum, crescat,
multosque cives habeat,
atque hoc anno anniversario decimo convalescat;
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hodie incepto novo anno eventus bonos faustosque esse siritis;
utique sitis volentes propitii Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Provinciaeque Pannoniae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
novis magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
rogatoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae!

- INVOCATIO & PRECATIO of the single gods:

Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
earundem rerum ergo te precor quaesoque,
uti sies volens propitius Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Provinciaeque Pannoniae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
novis magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
quaestoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae!

Quirine, Dea Roma, Venus Genetrix, Mars,
Penates, Lares, Manes maiorum nostrum,
omnes di quocumque nomine, qui Romam favetis favebatis,
earundem rerum ergo vos precor quaesoque,
uti fiant multo plures Novi Romani Quirites;
utique ex societate Novae Romae verus motus et consociatio fieri possit,
ex qua Populus Romanus Quiritium
Resque Publica Populi Romani Quiritium renascatur;
utique Novae Romae Societas Pannonia in Hungaria magni momenti fiat
hoc anno anniversario decimo Novae Romae!

Deae Iuno et Vesta,
earundem rerum ergo vos precor quaesoque,
uti domos familiasque Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
domum familiamque meam protegatis, curetis, custodiatis;
utique domos familiasque Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
domum familiamque meam ab omnibus malis conservetis!

- SACRIFICIUM COMMVNE

Sicut verba nuncupavi, quae ita faxitis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
hoc libo libando

hoc vino lacte melleque mixto libando,
his turis granis sacrificandis
estote fitote in hodie incepto novo anno
anniversarii decimi Novae Romae
volentes propitii renascenti Populo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!

# After these words a cake, a glass of wine,
and incense were sacrificied.#


ILICET!
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+::F:E:L:I:C:I:T:E:R::I:N::MMDCCLXI::A:N:N:O::+



Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Legatus Pro Praetore Pannoniae
Summus Sacerdos Pannoniae
Quaestor Novae Romae



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54501 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM CURIATI-IULI DE SCRIBAE CREATIONE
Ex Officio Praetoris Nova Roma



Ex hoc, nos ambo praetores cives M. Moravium Piscinum Horatianum,T. Iulium Sabinum, Cn. Equitium Marinum, Cn. Cornelium Lentulum, Pl. Memmium Albucium scribas ad moderandum Forum Praecipuum Novae Romae creamus.

Nullum ius iurandum ab eis poscetur.

Hoc edictum ilico valet.

Datum sub manibus nostris Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI A.V.C.

M.Moravio T.Iulio cos.


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By this edict, we the praetors both appoint citizens M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, T. Iulius Sabinus, Cn. Equitius Marinus, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus an Pl. Memmius Albucius scribae as moderators of the Nova Roman Main List.

No oath shall be demanded of them.

This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under our hands this 1st day of January 2761 from the founding of Roma




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Por este edicto, nosotros los praetores nombramos a los siguientes ciudadanos M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, T. Iulius Sabinus, Cn. Equitius Marinus, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus an Pl. Memmius Albucius scribae para la moderación del Foro de Nova Roma.

No se requiere juramento para ellos.

Este edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente

Dado a 1º de Enero de 2761 desde la fundación de Roma



M. Curiatius Complutensis

M. Iulius Severus

Praetores


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54502 From: Svm Stoicus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: My Oath
"I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Sextus Lucilius Tutor further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Curule Aediles to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Curule Aediles and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."



Latin verse



Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor officio Curule Aediles Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Sextus Lucilius Tutor officiis muneris Curule Aediles me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Curule Aediles una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54503 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Opening of the Sacred Year of Concordia - Opening of the Tenth Year
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus camillus Concordiae, sacerdos Pannoniae: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, senatui populoque Novo Romano: salutem plurimam dicit:

Salvete, Quirites!

Bonum, felicem, faustum annum novum et anniversarium decimum Novae Romae
vobis exopto!

I wish you all a good, prosperous and blessed New Year and Tenth Anniversary of Nova Roma!

This is my unofficial opening of the Sacred Year of Concordia, the opening of the Tenth Year of Nova Roma: May Dea Concordia bless our community with peace, stregth and unity! May Concordia help us in our ways to restore Rome! May Dea Concordia create love and peace within our Republic!

Since I mentioned the idea of the Sacred Year of Concordia and there were refusals against this idea, Godness Concordia's angry became serious. She would like to see many prayers and worship with Her name!

People and Magistartes of Nova Roma: Pray to Concordia to create peace and unity! To have enough power to restore Rome!

And now: this is my sacrifice to Dea Concordia and the Opening Ceremony of the Sacred Year of Dea Concordia:

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SACRIFICIVM CONCORDIAE ET INITII ANNI SACRI CONCORDIAE NOVAE ROMAE KALENDIS IANVARIIS ANNO X NOVAE ROMAE CONDITAE

INVOCATIO

Dea Concordia,
dea pacis et fortitudinis Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
hoc initio anni decimi Novae Romae conditae
te precor, veneror, quaeso, obtestor:

PRECATIO

uti pacem concordiamque constantem
societati Novae Romae tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque discordiis liberes;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
atque hoc anno anniversario decimo Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
atque pax et concordia et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hodie incepto novo anno eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
utique sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
novis magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,

mihi, domo, familiae!

SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi,
quaeque ita faxis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
hoc libo libando,
hoc vino libando,
his turis granis sacrificandis
esto fito volens propitia
hoc initio anni decimi Novae Romae conditae
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
novis magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,

mihi, domo, familiae!




#After these words a glass of wine, a cake and incense were secrificed on my home altar.#


HAPPY 10TH ANNIVERSARY FOR NOVA ROMA!!!
HAPPY 2761!!!
MY CONCORDIA BE WITH YOU, NOVA ROMANS!
MAY CONCORDIA BE WITH ALL OF US!


Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Camillus Concordiae
Quaestor
Legatus pro pr. Pannoniae


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54504 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM CURIATI DE SCRIBAE CREATIONE
Ex Officio Praetoris Nova Roma



Ex hoc, cives K. Fabium Buteo Quintilianum scriba praetoris creo.

Nullum ius iurandum poscetur.

Hoc edictum ilico valet.

Datum sub manibus nostris Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI A.V.C.

M.Moravio T.Iulio cos.


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By this edict, I appoint citizen K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus scriba propraetoris.

No oath shall be demanded.

This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under our hands this 1st day of January 2761 from the founding of Roma during the Consulship of M.Moravius and T. Iulius




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Por este edicto, nombro al ciudadano K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus scriba propraetoris. .

No se requiere juramento.

Este edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente

Dado a 1º de Enero de 2761 desde la fundación de Roma en el Consulado de M. Moravio y T. Iulio



M. Curiatius Complutensis

Praetor


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54505 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Edictum Rogatoris Gn. Equitius Marinus de Scriba Creatione
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit

I hereby appoint the following scribes. No oath is required.

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
A. Apollonius Cordus
A. Tullia Scholastica

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54506 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Seven Wonders of the Roman World
avete omnes,

amici, first off we wish you a happy new year!

This is the list of the winners of our "the Seven Wonders of the Roman
world" poll:

1. Pantheon, Rome

2. Colosseum or Amphitheatrum Flavium, Rome

3. Ara Pacis Augustae, Rome

4. Hadrian Wall (United Kingdom) and Hadrian's Villa (Tivoli, Italy)

6. Hadrian's Mausuleum, Rome (nowadays St.Angel castle), and
Caracalla's bath, Rome

then follows, not winners:
8. Domus Aurea, Rome and Aqueduct-bridge Pont Du Gard, France
10.Titus'arch, Rome - Curia Iulia in the Forum, Rome and Villa of the
Misteries, Pompeii , Italy

As communicated earlier, an article about each of the first seven
monuments, will be published on Pomerium magazine (starting January
2008, there will be also all the details of the results).
about their beauty and architectural characteristics to explain why
they are so special among all the other Roman antiquities.

valete optime

M IVL PERVSIANVS
Associazione Pomerium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54507 From: Tiberius Antonius Romulus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: A week in Rome in February - help please
Just ordered it, thank you very much!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola"
<wm_hogue@...> wrote:
>
> Agricola Romulo sal.
>
> On this page: http://novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_archaeology I
> cannot say enough good things about the Oxford Archaeological Guide
> for Rome. In my opinion it is a must-have when visiting Roma.
>
> optime vale!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius Antonius Romulus"
> <chrismidwestwisconsin@> wrote:
> >
> > I was hoping people here could help me on making the most of my
time
> > and seeing the greatest of the remnants of ancient Rome. I just
read
> > Cicero I so have a good start on memorizing the Forum layout.
> >
> > I'd really like advice on cheap places to stay (owned by
Italians if
> > possible).
> >
> > Also, best way to see things without standing in lines for hours
(best
> > tour guides?)
> >
> > Anything would be appreciated as I doubt I will be back to the
capitol
> > of the world again. Personal emails best.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54508 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Edict on EQUITES and MACELLUM
Aed. cur. Memmius omnibus s.d.


Please find below my edict on Equites and Macellum.

Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius


-------------------EDICT n°61-01--------------------------------------

CURULE AEDILE P. Memmius Albucius edict(n° 61-01)
concerning the Equites and the Macellum


I, Publius Memmius Albucius, aedilis curulis, by the authority vested
by the constitution, the laws and the Senate of Nova Roma, and in
view of lex Arminia de ratione edictis a.d. VIII Kal. Dec. 2755
a.u.c.,

In order to allow the Equites to carry on their operations inside our
Macellum, whose web home page is at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Macellum_%28Nova_Roma%29, without
suffering any damageable undue interruption in their activities, the
following rules are edicted.

Article 1

The edicts issued by previous aediles curules, and relative to the
Macellum and to the authorization granted to duly registered Equites
to conduct any trade operations in this frame, are temporarily
extended.

Article 2

In case of absence of such edicts, the current situation is
temporalily supposed to be in accordance with novaroman law.

Article 3

A further aedilician edict will define, modify or confirm the legal
frame of the Macellum and the list of the citizens authorized to use
it for their private business.

Article 4

Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must, as far
as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be
published in the Tabularium Novae Romae at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Tabularium_%28Nova_Roma%29.


Issued in Cadomagus, civ. Viducassium, Gallia, Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI
a.u.c. (1st January 2008 c.c.) during the consulate of M. Moravius
Piscinus Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54509 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: SACRIFICIUM ANNUAE SACRAE
SALVETE!

Is the privilege of Consul Maior, Marcus Moravius, to perform the
annual Consular Sacrificial Ceremony.
As Consul Minor I want to thank him because he continued that
wonderful tradition started three years ago and more than that, I'm
near him with my soul, my heart and my great desire to have in this
year, an important one for Nova Roma, because its 10th anniversary
celebration, a year with great successes in all domains of activity.
My thoughts are going to this year magistrates, with the hope that,
we will be able together to move the things on, through good
cooperation, first trying to fulfill our duties as best as possible
we can.
My thoughts are going to you, Quirites, with the hope that,
together, through your active participation in all Nova Roma areas
of interest, we will be able to continue what was started ten years
ago, to improve in better way our common dream and to transform it,
step by step, in reality.
My thoughts are going to the new citizens and I pray to the Gods to
give them the best inspiration to understand the Nova Roma's
purposes, to stay near us, in the same line, with the great desire
to contribute to the common effort to keep alive this miracle
started 2761 years ago near the Tiber's bank.

Quirites!

I know that in these moments you still enjoy the New Year vacation.
Let's not forget them, who from a reason or another, in this time,
perform their duties with honor.
A special thought must going to our husbands and wives, brothers and
sisters, sons and daughters, friends and comrades, involved in
missions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or other foreign lands.
From the bottom of our hearts, today, we thank you and we wish you a
happy new year. We pray to Gods for your healthy and victorious
return home!

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Minor Consul.

ante diem IV Non. Ianuarias MMDCCLXI a.U.c
Provincia Dacia Nova Roma.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...>
wrote:
> Annum novum bonum faustum felicem!
>
> In accordance with the tradition begun by Consul Cn. Salvius Astur
on the Kalendae Ianuariae MMDCCLVII and continued in the following
years by Consules C. Popillius Laenas, K. Fabius Buteo Modianus, and
L. Arminius Faustus, notice is hereby given that later today I shall
perform the annual Consular Sacrificial Ceremony offered to the Di
Immortales in the following manner.
>
> SACRIFICIUM ANNUAE SACRAE>>>

Text was snipped keeping the respect for the Gods and Ceremony and
the only reason is it length.

>"Di Immortales Romae civibus Novis Romanis et praesentibus et
futuris faveant!"
>May the Immortal Gods of Rome bless the citizens and future
Citizens of Nova Roma.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54510 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: EDICTUM CONSULARE I: DE CREATIONE ACCENSORUM
SALVETE!

Ex officio consularis:

EDICTUM CONSULARE I: DE CREATIONE ACCENSORUM.

Ex hoc:
- Aulus Apollonius Cordus
- Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege
- Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
- Gaius Curius Saturninus
- Gaius Equitius Cato
- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
- Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
- Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
- Quintus Gratius Acacius
- Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
- Marcus Iulius Severus
- Marcus Lucretius Agricola
- Publius Memmius Albucius
- Pompeia Minucia Tiberia
- Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
- Marcus Octavius Gracchus
- Gaius Popillius Laenas
- Quintus Valerius Poplicola,
accensae et accensi creantur.

Nullum ius iurandum poscetur. Hoc edictum statim valet.

Datum sub manu nostra a.d. IV Non. Ian. M. Moravio Piscino T. Iulio
Sabino consulibus, in anno a.U.c MMDCCLXI.
........................

By this edict, we the consuls both appoint citizens:
- Aulus Apollonius Cordus
- Iulia Caesar Cytheris Aege
- Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
- Gaius Curius Saturninus
- Gaius Equitius Cato
- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
- Kaeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
- Kaeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
- Quintus Gratius Acacius
- Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
- Marcus Iulius Severus
- Marcus Lucretius Agricola
- Publius Memmius Albucius
- Pompeia Minucia Tiberia
- Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
- Marcus Octavius Gracchus
- Gaius Popillius Laenas
- Quintus Valerius Poplicola,
as accensii of joint Consular Cohort together with all the
obligations and privileges prescribed by the laws of Nova Roma.

No oath shall be required. This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under our hands this second day of January 2761 a.U.c (AD
2008) in the consulships of M. Moravius and T. Iulius.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54511 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
> A. Tullia Scholastica T. Iulio Sabino quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
> Tibi gratulor, Sabine! Thank you very much for taking the oath in so many
> languages, and for contributing to our knowledge thereby. However, while I
> see Latin, English, Spanish, German, and Italian, both your native Romanian
> and French seem to be missing. Isn¹t there a Romanian version of the oath of
> office? Would you like to produce one? (Hint, hint...)
>
> Vale, et valete!
>
>
>
> Titus Iulius Sabinus Civibus et Senatus Novae Romae SPD:
>
> Bonum Annum Novum faustum felicem !
>
> My oath of office:
>
> Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), hac re ipsa decus Novae
> Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae
> acturum esse sollemniter iuro.
>
> Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), officio Consulis Novae
> Romae accepto, Deos Deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae
> temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me
> persecuturum esse iuro.
>
> Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), religioni Romanae me
> fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum
> me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.
>
> Ego, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), officiis muneris
> Consulis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.
>
> Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram Deis Deabusque populi Romani, et
> voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Consulis una cum iuribus,
> privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
>
> Datum sub manu mea Kal Ian MMDCCLXI a.U.c, M. Moravio T. Iulio cos.
>
> ------------------------
>
> I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), do solemnly swear to
> uphold the honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the best
> interests of the People and Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As Consul of Nova Roma, I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu),
> swear to honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings
> and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
>
> I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), swear to uphold and
> defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
> swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
> State Religion.
>
> I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), swear to protect and
> defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
> I, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), further swear to fulfill
> the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Consul to the
> best of my abilities.
>
> On my honour as a citizen of Nova Roma and in the presence of the
> Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by Their will and favor,
> do I accept the office of Consul and all the rights, privileges,
> obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
> Given by my hand on the first of January, 2761 years from the
> founding of the City of Roma, in the consulship of M. Moravius
> and T. Iulius.
>
> ------------------------
>
> Yo, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), juro solemnemente
> salvaguardar el honor de Nova Roma y actuar siempre conforme a los
> intereses del Pueblo y el Senado de Nova Roma.
>
> Como Cónsul de Nova Roma, yo, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian
> Zavoianu), juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis
> actividades públicas y practicar las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida
> pública y privada.
>
> Yo, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), juro salvaguardar y
> defender la Religio Romana como la Religión de Estado de Nova Roma y
> juro jamás actuar de manera que ponga en peligro su carácter de
> Religión de Estado.
>
> Yo, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), juro proteger y defender
> la Constitución de Nova Roma.
>
> Yo, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), juro asimismo cumplir
> las obligaciones y responsabilidades que conlleva el cargo de
> Cónsul, al máximo de mis capacidades. Por mi honor como ciudadano de
> Nova Roma y en presencia de los Dioses y Diosas del pueblo romano y
> con Su voluntad y beneplácito, acepto el cargo de Cónsul, con todos
> los derechos, privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades
> inherentes.
>
> Dado de mano propria, el primero de enero, en los 2761 años de la
> fundación de la Ciudad de Roma, en el consulado de M. Moravius y
> T. Iulius
>
> -----------------------
>
> Ich, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), schwöre hiermit
> feierlich, Nova Roma in Ehren zu halten und stets im besten
> Interesse von Volk und Senat von Nova Roma zu handeln.
>
> Als Konsul schwöre ich, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), die
> Götter und Göttinnen Roms in meinen öffentlichen Handlungen zu ehren
> und römische Tugenden im privaten Leben ebenso zu befolgen wie im
> öffentlichen.
>
> Ich, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), schwöre hiermit
> feierlich, die Religio Romana als Staatsreligion von Nova Roma zu
> ehren und zu verteidigen und niemals in einer Weise zu handeln, die
> ihren Status als Staatsreligion gefährden könnte.
>
> Ich, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), schwöre, die Verfassung
> von Nova Roma zu schützen und zu verteidigen.
>
> Ich, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), schwöre ferner die
> Pflichten und den Verantwortungsberei ch des Amtes des Konsul nach
> besten Kräften zu erfüllen.
>
> Bei meiner Ehre als cives Nova Romanus und in Gegenwart der Götter
> und Göttinnen von Rom und mit ihrer Gnade und in Gegenwart des
> römischen Volkes nehme ich, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu),
> das Amt des Konsul an und alle Rechte, Privilegien, Verpflichtungen
> und Verantwortlichkeite n die damit verbunden sind.
>
> Am des Konsulatsjahres von M. Moravius und T. Iulius, 2761 a.U.c
>
> ------------------------
>
> Io, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), giuro solennemente di
> sostenere l'onore di Nova Roma e di agire sempre nell'interesse del
> popolo e del Senato di Nova Roma.
>
> Io, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), nell'atto di accettare
> la carica di Console, giuro di onorare gli Dei e le Dee di Roma
> nelle mie attività pubbliche, e di perseguire le virtù romane nella
> mia vita pubblica e privata.
>
> Io, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), giuro di sostenere e
> difendere la Religio Romana come Religione di Stato di Nova Roma e
> giuro di non agire mai in alcun modo che possa essere di detrimento
> alla sua condizione di Religione di Stato.
>
> Io, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), giuro di proteggere e
> difendere la Costituzione di Nova Roma.
>
> Io, Titus Iulius Sabinus (Adrian Zavoianu), giuro altresì di
> adempiere al meglio agli obblighi ed alle responsabilità della
> carica di Console.
>
> Sul mio onore come Cittadino di Nova Roma, ed alla presenza degli
> Dei e delle Dee del popolo romano e per loro volere e favore,
> accetto la posizione di Console e tutti i diritti, i privilegi, gli
> obblighi e le responsabilità ad essa afferenti.
>
> Addì 1 gennaio 2761 a.U.c, sotto il consolato di M. Moravio e T.
> Iulio
>
> ---------------------
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
> 01.01.2008
> Provincia Dacia - Nova Roma.
>




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54512 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Start the new (calender) year right
Valetudo quod fortuna omnes;

Though the new Year of the City does not begin until March, my term in
office did begin today and my status as Assidui expired at midnight.

So, I have sent in my payment for the taxes for myself and my wife
Annia Ulleria Machinatrix; if the rate is adjusted up, I shall pay the
difference at that time.

I should like to urge all other cives to support our mutual effort thusly.

--
=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias, Custode et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/stefnullarsson
http://ullarsskald01.Writing.Com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54513 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Start the new (calender) year right
Salve Venii, et salvete quirites,

While I applaud Venii's dedication, I recommend that everyone wait
until the new tax edictum is published. Assidui status for voting
purposes continues in effect until Kal. Mai.

Valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus <famila.ulleria.venii@...> writes:

> Valetudo quod fortuna omnes;
>
> Though the new Year of the City does not begin until March, my term in
> office did begin today and my status as Assidui expired at midnight.
>
> So, I have sent in my payment for the taxes for myself and my wife
> Annia Ulleria Machinatrix; if the rate is adjusted up, I shall pay the
> difference at that time.
>
> I should like to urge all other cives to support our mutual effort thusly.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54514 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
SALVE ET SALVETE!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
<fororom@...> wrote:
> >Tibi gratulor, Sabine! Thank you very much for taking the oath
in so many languages, and for contributing to our knowledge
thereby.>>>

I have no significant contributions here but my thanks are to
Picinus and to his translators.

> >However, while I see Latin, English, Spanish, German, and
Italian, both your native Romanian and French seem to be missing.
Isn¹t there a Romanian version of the oath of office? Would you
like to produce one?>>>

Correct. Romanian and French versions of the oath are necessary in
our records. I hope to have time to produce the Romanian one in the
next months. About French version...I will let that to our friend
Albucius (Hint, hint...)

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54515 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-01-01
Subject: Re: Start the new (calender) year right
Valetudo Gn Equitius;

On 1/1/08, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus wrote:
>
> Salve Venii, et salvete quirites,
>
> While I applaud Venii's dedication, I recommend that everyone
> wait until the new tax edictum is published. Assidui status
> for voting purposes continues in effect until Kal. Mai.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

There I go, over eager again ,-) I looked at the album civum and saw
the calender year expiration; better for book keeping I'd guess.

Thank you, this is a clarification I should have such sought first.

My admonition stands; Support Our Republic at Tax Time, please.

in amicus - S Ullerius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54516 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Start the new (calender) year right
Salve!

On my Albium Civum page, it says my assidui expires in 2006, haha!

Vale,


Annia Minucia Marcella
http://www.myspace.com/novabritannia
http://novabritannia.org/
http://ciarin.com/governor

Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci
----- Original Message -----
From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Start the new (calender) year right


Valetudo Gn Equitius;

On 1/1/08, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus wrote:
>
> Salve Venii, et salvete quirites,
>
> While I applaud Venii's dedication, I recommend that everyone
> wait until the new tax edictum is published. Assidui status
> for voting purposes continues in effect until Kal. Mai.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

There I go, over eager again ,-) I looked at the album civum and saw
the calender year expiration; better for book keeping I'd guess.

Thank you, this is a clarification I should have such sought first.

My admonition stands; Support Our Republic at Tax Time, please.

in amicus - S Ullerius




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54517 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
> A. Tullia Scholastica T. Iulio Sabino quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> SALVE ET SALVETE!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
> Tullia Scholastica"
> <fororom@...> wrote:
>>> > >Tibi gratulor, Sabine! Thank you very much for taking the oath
> in so many languages, and for contributing to our knowledge
> thereby.>>>
>
> I have no significant contributions here but my thanks are to
> Picinus and to his translators.
>
>
>
>>> > >However, while I see Latin, English, Spanish, German, and
> Italian, both your native Romanian and French seem to be missing.
> Isn¹t there a Romanian version of the oath of office? Would you
> like to produce one?>>>
>
> Correct. Romanian and French versions of the oath are necessary in
> our records. I hope to have time to produce the Romanian one in the
> next months. About French version...I will let that to our friend
> Albucius (Hint, hint...)
>
> ATS: Albucius has already translated the entire corpus, including the Lex
> Iunia, which contains the oath of office. There should also be other
> versions, perhaps into German and Portuguese. The Latin version, of course,
> was done under the direction of then-Consul Cn. Salvius Astur and Pontifex C.
> Iulius Scaurus.
>
> I would like to see the Romanian version for purposes of linguistic
> comparison. Hope you will get a chance to do this.
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/54469;



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54518 From: Maior Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Oath of Office - Quaestrix
"I, Marca Hortensia Maior (Courtney Kirshner) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marca Hortensia Maior swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marca Hortensia Maior(Courtney Kirshner) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Marca Hortensia Maior(Courtney Kirshner) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marca Hortensia Maior(Courtney Kirshner) further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of quaestrix to
the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of quaestrix and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54519 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Please take me off moderation lease
Hello new and former Praetores!

I've just posted through the yahoogroups site and I received a message
that my post needed to be moderated. I'm sure that is an error because
only new members or troublesome ones who've received more than one
official warning from the Praetores would be on moderation and I am of
course neither of the above.

Please remove me from moderation and feel free to 'kill' this post
since it is not necessary for everyone on the ML to see it.

Thanks in advance and best regards!

The best of luck to you all in 2008!
Joanne (Diana Octavia Aventina)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54520 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: A few observations
Salvete all,

Just a few comments:
1) Re Drusus: Since he was treated so badly on this list, he would
not want his name even mentioned here. So we should respect his
wishes.

2)In defence of Maiora: I don't know what the big deal is. She has
always had a big mouth, so why the big bother now? Besides that, IF
the Praetors thought that Maiora was overdoing it, they should have
given her a warning, etc. and then if needed put her on moderation.
Instead I saw 2 Praetors joining in the mud slinging. A bit of a
conflict of interest there when they accepted Marinus' petitio.

In any case, I would now give the Biggest Potty Mouthed Female Award
to Minucia.

3) Trigger happy Tribunes! It will be a fun year!

4) A few people left the list because of the arguing: Go join a
Roman fluffy bunny list. The true Romans stay, get bashed in the
head a few hundred times and come back for more.

5) Pagans vs Christians and Christian vs Pagan arguments: This
happens regularly. Just for the record, I have read all of the ML
emails just to keep up with who hates whom :-)

6) Brawls on the mainlist have always taken a certain pattern:
-arguing, name calling, people defending their friends, a few
sensible posts, and then someone threatening petitio.
-Then come the 'apologies that aren't really apologies".
- Next comes the silly posts, where those involved in the arguing
try to prove that they are really just fun lovin' Nova Romans after
all (for example, the South Park and Ra Ra Ra posts).

Nova Roma! Gotta love it!!

Valete,
Diana Octavia

- Ex-Tribune
- Priestess of Venus
- As outspoken as Maiora and Minucia, but hopefully a bit more
charming and funny hee hee!
-Proud Leader of the New Boni. Since the old Boni still gets blamed
for things -- even though we have been disbanded for years- I am
thinking that it is time that I rounded up the boys.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54521 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: a. d. IV Nonas Ianuarias
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Di vos inculumes custodiant

Hodie est ante diem IIII Nonas Ianuarias; haec dies fastus aterque
est:

"Whence should I invoke You, Pudicitia, chief buttress of men and
women alike? You dwell in the hearth consecrated to Vesta by ancient
religion, You watch over the sacred couch of Juno Capitolina, You
never leave Your post on the pinnacle of the Palatine, the august
habitation, and the most holy marriage bed of Iulia Augusta. By Your
protection the emblems of boyhood are defended, by reverence for Your
divinity the flower of youth remains intact, under Your guardianship
the matron's robe is appraised. Come, therefore, and hear of thing
that Yourself ordained." ~ Valerius Maximus 6.1 praef.


"In what way, then, can land be most profitably cultivated? Why, in
the words of our agricultural oracles, 'by making good out of bad.'
But here it is only right that we should say a word in justification
of our forefathers, who in their precepts on this subject had nothing
else in view but the benefit of mankind: for when they use the
term "bad" here, they only mean to say that which costs the smallest
amount of money. The principal object with them was in all cases to
cut down expenses to the lowest possible sum; and it was in this
spirit that they made the enactments which pronounced it criminal for
a person who had enjoyed a triumph, to be in possession, among his
other furniture, of ten pounds' weight of silver plate: which
permitted a man, upon the death of his farm steward, to abandon all
his victories, and return to the cultivation of his lands - such
being the men the culture of whose farms the state used to take upon
itself; and thus, while they led our armies, did the senate act as
their steward.

"It was in the same spirit, too, that those oracles of ours have
given utterance to these precepts, to the effect that he is a bad
agriculturalist who has to buy what his farm might have supplied him
with; that he is a bad manager who does in the day-time what he might
have done at night, except, indeed, when the state of the weather
does not allow it; that he is a worse manager still, who does on a
work day what he might have done on a feast day; but that he is the
very worst of all, who works under the cover of fine weather, instead
of laboring in the fields." ~ Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis
18.8

"Nay even on holy days some tasks to ply
Is right and lawful: this no ban forbids,
To turn the runnel's course, fence corn-fields in,
Make springes for the birds, burn up the briars,
And plunge in wholesome stream the bleating flock."
~ Vergilius Maro, Georgic 1. 268-273


For today's thought we turn to Epicurius, Vatican Sayings 1

"A blessed and indestructible being has no trouble himself and brings
no trouble upon any other being; so he is free from anger and
partiality, for all such things imply weakness."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54522 From: M.CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Please take me off moderation lease
This message remember me that I have not receive the control of the ML.

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
PRAETOR
NOVA ROMA

Ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima



Diana Octavia Aventina escribió:
>
> Hello new and former Praetores!
>
> I've just posted through the yahoogroups site and I received a message
> that my post needed to be moderated. I'm sure that is an error because
> only new members or troublesome ones who've received more than one
> official warning from the Praetores would be on moderation and I am of
> course neither of the above.
>
> Please remove me from moderation and feel free to 'kill' this post
> since it is not necessary for everyone on the ML to see it.
>
> Thanks in advance and best regards!
>
> The best of luck to you all in 2008!
> Joanne (Diana Octavia Aventina)
>
>

--
MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
SENATOR

PROPRAETOR HISPANIA
SCRIBA CENSORIS KFBM
NOVA ROMA

Ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54523 From: Inigo Fernandez Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Seven Wonders of the Roman World
Salve:

I want to congratulate you, M. IVL. PERVSIANVS for your effort and for the
chance to choose "the Seven Wonders of the Roman world" (no matter if my
options didn`t win...).

Have a nice new year. Auguri from Mexico



On Jan 1, 2008 4:38 PM, Marcus Iulius Perusianus <peraznanie@...>
wrote:

> avete omnes,
>
> amici, first off we wish you a happy new year!
>
> This is the list of the winners of our "the Seven Wonders of the Roman
> world" poll:
>
> 1. Pantheon, Rome
>
> 2. Colosseum or Amphitheatrum Flavium, Rome
>
> 3. Ara Pacis Augustae, Rome
>
> 4. Hadrian Wall (United Kingdom) and Hadrian's Villa (Tivoli, Italy)
>
> 6. Hadrian's Mausuleum, Rome (nowadays St.Angel castle), and
> Caracalla's bath, Rome
>
> then follows, not winners:
> 8. Domus Aurea, Rome and Aqueduct-bridge Pont Du Gard, France
> 10.Titus'arch, Rome - Curia Iulia in the Forum, Rome and Villa of the
> Misteries, Pompeii , Italy
>
> As communicated earlier, an article about each of the first seven
> monuments, will be published on Pomerium magazine (starting January
> 2008, there will be also all the details of the results).
> about their beauty and architectural characteristics to explain why
> they are so special among all the other Roman antiquities.
>
> valete optime
>
> M IVL PERVSIANVS
> Associazione Pomerium
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54524 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: A few observations
Cato D. Octaviae Aventinae sal.

Salve, Diana.

Welcome back. I'd un-moderate-ify you but I'm no longer a Power That
Be-s so I can't.

As for Maior, two corrections to your comments:

1. Maior's comments where like bringing a bazooka to a knife fight.
She brings new meaning to the term "loose cannon".

2. I didn't accept the petitio, and I didn't because I publicly
acknowledged that I had a conflict of interest.

As for the rest, I'm not apologizing any more. If those who call for
one don't even have the courtesy or grace to acknowledge it when it
happens, then to hell with them. So much for even-handed
fair-minded-ness.

Vale,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54525 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: A few observations
Salve,

haha, you have no idea. I'm worse than a sailor. Fortunately for everyone here, I censor myself heavily.

Vale,


Annia Minucia Marcella
http://www.myspace.com/novabritannia
http://novabritannia.org/
http://ciarin.com/governor

Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci

----- Original Message -----
From: Diana Octavia Aventina
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:40 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A few observations


In any case, I would now give the Biggest Potty Mouthed Female Award
to Minucia.


.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54526 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: yahoo posting delays
TIME-DATE STAMP FROM THE the U. S. Naval Observatory
this post sent at 2:52 am Pacific time zone jan 2 wed
Coordinated Universal Time -8 hours
taken from www.time.gov

salvete

I am seeing up to a 96 hour delay of posts
for all yahoo groups i am on. This has been going for for 8 months and
the delay is getting longer each month.
pls feel free to e-mail me at magewuffa(at) gmail ( dot) com, and let
me know when your e-mail/yahoo acct if you read group at yahoo website
time stamp was for this post. no need to fill the ML with 25 replys :-).

Vale

Marcus Cornelius Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54527 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR
Salvete!:
Wits already recovered from wherever they fell, so...
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!.
Valete.
Gaia Iulia Agrippa.
Decimus Cassius Lupus.

----- Original Message -----
From: "M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS" <complutensis@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] HAPPY NEW YEAR


My best wishes to ALL of you for he New Year

Valete bene

M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS



SENATOR
PROPRAETOR HISPANIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS KFBM
NOVA ROMA

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54528 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Religion and the Tribunalis - Nova Constantinople??
Salve Pompeia Minucia Tiberia:
As you might have gathered from my last mail, I cannot say that anything happening on the ML lately has spoiled my holidays (or anything else, for all that matters...).
I cannot believe I'm actually answering this post, but well... for Absurdity's sake...
Paraphrasing Isabella Rossellini's in "Death becomes her"... "Oh, the sordid subject of *wording*!!".
So far, although I'm (unfortunately) undergoing menopause... I didn't realized that our unwanted German friend (meaning, Herr Alzheimer) had already been visiting me!!!. Otherwise... when did I mention Aquila's or any other Nova Roma tribune, consul, or whatever Officer's behaviour in the aforesaid post?. Or whether I might want to be appointed at any specific Office (not even local Governour, as my own province is too virtual, not to say "dead" for anyone... well, at least I, to bother)... I mean... are you really addressing me?. No need to answer though.
For what I've seen lately, on the other hand, I have seen Pagans leave the list, rather than Christians. Or a Buddhist waiting for trial. So, if such an absurd idea as to "having an agenda", or looking for a scapegoat, should be raised... well... It doesn't make any sense (see the first sentence). So far, I don't see this idea as *constructive^ or adding to the plea for Concordia raised so many times during the past days...
As for having issues solved in my mind and heart, I surely have, thanks for your good wishes. I admit that my way to sort these religious/spiritual things out may not match most people's... but it suits me. :-)
Now, really quoting IR: "the sordid subject of coins!!!"...
From an operative point of view... If you read my posts, as you say, you'd seen that my first posts were sent asking for secure ways to pay taxes, after not getting any answer whatsoever from our (then, 2006) local authorities, here in this province.
So far, PayPal doesn't seem too secure to me. No place where I have to enter my credit card number without any other verification (like picture ID) seems secure to me. Money orders might be an option (although Western Union might be the best for me, if available). For what I've read through the last 130 posts I downloaded today, surely there will be an adjustment in rates, so I better wait.
From a very different point of view... you see, when I firmly believe in something (like other organizations/societies/Orders I belong to) money has never been an issue. I'd rather use my savings, but keep on going. But unfortunately... I guess that, as I still have 3 months before deadline... I think I'll wait and see how things develop. I would really like to support NOVA ROMA, meaning:
"Nova Roma shall be the temporal homeland and worldly focus for the Religio Romana. The primary function of Nova Roma shall be to promote the study and practice of pagan Roman civilization, defined as the period from the founding of the City of
Rome in 753 BCE to the removal of the altar of Victory from the Senate in 394 CE and encompassing such fields as religion, culture, politics, art, literature, language, and philosophy.
As the spiritual heir to the ancient Roman Republic and Empire, Nova Roma shall endeavour to exist, in all manners practical and acceptable, as the modern restoration of the ancient Roman Republic. The culture, religion, and society of Nova Roma shall be patterned upon those of ancient Rome.", not anything resembling what I mentioned in this post "Subject". So again... I'll rather wait and see how things develop over the next months. I guess this is my prerrogative.
As for your mentioning being a patrician, or any other info which I didn't quite care to look for at the Album Civium... well... thanks?.
Optima Vale!!.
Gaia Iulia Agrippa.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54529 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Gaia Iulia Agrippa <maite_cat@...> writes:

[about paying taxes from her home province of Argentina]

> Money orders might be an option (although Western Union might be
> the best for me, if available).

Here's a quote from last year's tax edictum, explaining the option for
tax payment by mail.

--- Begin Quote ---
Those outside the US will need to obtain and send an International
Money Order made out in U.S. dollars. Individual cheques in various
currencies are unfortunately not acceptable to send by postal method
as the checks are quickly devalued by the multiple bank charges to
convert these to U.S. currency.

Some Provincial Governors will choose to arrange a central point in
their provincial to which their citizens may remit taxes so that the
province will only need to make a single payment to the central
treasury. Citizens are encouraged to contact their Governor to
determine whether or not such an arrangement will be made. Provincial
Governors who follow the practice may choose to retain one-half of the
taxes collected in their Province for local use according to the local
budgets they have prepared. This arrangement has the advantage of
avoiding fees to have funds for local expenditures transmitted back to
the Province.
--- End Quote ---

I don't think your province of Argentina currently has a governor.
However, you could still coordinate with other people in Argentina to
have funds bundled into one single international money order, thus
saving processing costs.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54530 From: Tuloup Pierre-Jean Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Oath of Office: Rogator
Ego, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse
sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis, officio Rogatoris Novae Romae
accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus
culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum
esse IVRO.

Ego, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam
defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne
quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis officiis muneris Rogatoris me quam
optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Rogatoris una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI AUC

M. Moravio T. Iulio cos.

=============================================================

I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
(Pierre-Jean Tuloup) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in
my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State
Religion.

I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) swear to protect
and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Rogator
to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Rogator and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

January the first day, 2761 a.u.c. in the Consulship of Marcus
Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and Titus Iulius Sabinus

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Rogator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54531 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: A few observations
Salve Cato,

> 2. I didn't accept the petitio, and I didn't because I publicly
> acknowledged that I had a conflict of interest.

Oh! Sorry about that. I stand corrected.

> As for the rest, I'm not apologizing any more.
Not all pagans are into Christian bashing.

Vale,
Diana




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54532 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM CURIATI DE SCRIBAE CREATIONE
Excuse me, consules, but tell me: once you named cives Kaeso Fabium Buteo Quintilianum Propraetor, are you going to replace Propraetor Titus Arminius Genialis here in Provincia Brasilia?

Vale,

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] EDICTUM PRAETORIUM CURIATI DE SCRIBAE CREATIONE


Ex Officio Praetoris Nova Roma

Ex hoc, cives K. Fabium Buteo Quintilianum scriba praetoris creo.

Nullum ius iurandum poscetur.

Hoc edictum ilico valet.

Datum sub manibus nostris Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI A.V.C.

M.Moravio T.Iulio cos.

----------------------------------------------------------

By this edict, I appoint citizen K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus scriba propraetoris.

No oath shall be demanded.

This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under our hands this 1st day of January 2761 from the founding of Roma during the Consulship of M.Moravius and T. Iulius

----------------------------------------------------------

Por este edicto, nombro al ciudadano K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus scriba propraetoris. .

No se requiere juramento.

Este edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente

Dado a 1º de Enero de 2761 desde la fundación de Roma en el Consulado de M. Moravio y T. Iulio

M. Curiatius Complutensis

Praetor

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54533 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: A few observations
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Dianae Aventinae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Salve Cato,
>
>> > 2. I didn't accept the petitio, and I didn't because I publicly
>> > acknowledged that I had a conflict of interest.
>
> ATS: As I have previously stated, the law allows only very limited
> possibilities for rejection of a petitio actionis. Whether you, or Hortensia,
> or anyone else likes it, the petitio did not meet ANY of those qualifications.
> It therefore HAD to be accepted, and other actions performed within a
> specified time period. The law is the law, and we obey it. I would have
> preferred that people respected others¹ beliefs, and their right to express
> them, but that is not what happened.
>
> Oh! Sorry about that. I stand corrected.
>
>> > As for the rest, I'm not apologizing any more.
> Not all pagans are into Christian bashing.
>
> ATS: Indeed they are not, but some are.
>
> Vale,
> Diana
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
> Messages in this topic
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/54520;



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54534 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM CURIATI DE SCRIBAE CREATIONE
Salve Luci Fideli,

Not speaking for the Consuls, who you addressed (and who you can write
to directly using the address consules AT novaroma DOT org), but
perhaps you're a bit confused. You asked:

> Excuse me, consules, but tell me: once you named cives Kaeso Fabium
> Buteo Quintilianum Propraetor,

The consuls didn't name him anything. The praetors appointed him as a
praetorian scribe with the title scriba praetoris. (Or scriba
propraetoris if you only pay attention to the English translation.
Since the praetors have no power to appoint scribes to propraetors,
that's obviously a typing error.)

> are you going to replace Propraetor Titus Arminius Genialis here in
> Provincia Brasilia?

I feel sure nobody intends to replace Genialis as Legatus Pro Praetore
Brasiliae.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54535 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
Salve!

If you want I can translate the oath from English to Portuguese, because I'm skilled in english and portuguese.

Vale!

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Tullia Scholastica
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Consular Oath of Office.


> A. Tullia Scholastica T. Iulio Sabino quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> SALVE ET SALVETE!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
> Tullia Scholastica"
> <fororom@...> wrote:
>>> > >Tibi gratulor, Sabine! Thank you very much for taking the oath
> in so many languages, and for contributing to our knowledge
> thereby.>>>
>
> I have no significant contributions here but my thanks are to
> Picinus and to his translators.
>
>
>
>>> > >However, while I see Latin, English, Spanish, German, and
> Italian, both your native Romanian and French seem to be missing.
> Isn¹t there a Romanian version of the oath of office? Would you
> like to produce one?>>>
>
> Correct. Romanian and French versions of the oath are necessary in
> our records. I hope to have time to produce the Romanian one in the
> next months. About French version...I will let that to our friend
> Albucius (Hint, hint...)
>
> ATS: Albucius has already translated the entire corpus, including the Lex
> Iunia, which contains the oath of office. There should also be other
> versions, perhaps into German and Portuguese. The Latin version, of course,
> was done under the direction of then-Consul Cn. Salvius Astur and Pontifex C.
> Iulius Scaurus.
>
> I would like to see the Romanian version for purposes of linguistic
> comparison. Hope you will get a chance to do this.
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54536 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
Salve Luci Fideli,

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> If you want I can translate the oath from English to Portuguese,
> because I'm skilled in english and portuguese.

That's a generous offer. I think there's already a Portuguese
translation somewhere in the archives, though for some odd reason it's
not linked. If you're interested in joining the decuria of
interpreters as an interpreter between English and Portuguese, I
encourage you to apply to the consuls for appointment.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54537 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Fidelio Lusitano quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
>
> Salve!
>
> If you want I can translate the oath from English to Portuguese, because I'm
> skilled in english and portuguese.
>
> ATS: Wonderful! The entire oath is contained in the Lex Iunia de
> Iusiurando, and has translations into Italian and Latin. Others are welcome!
> Albucius has prepared one into French, and it seems that Spanish and German
> translations also exist.
>
> Thank you for your offer.
>
> Vale!
>
> Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: A. Tullia Scholastica
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Consular Oath of Office.
>
>> > A. Tullia Scholastica T. Iulio Sabino quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > SALVE ET SALVETE!
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
>> > Tullia Scholastica"
>> > <fororom@...> wrote:
>>>>>> >>> > >Tibi gratulor, Sabine! Thank you very much for taking the oath
>> > in so many languages, and for contributing to our knowledge
>> > thereby.>>>
>> >
>> > I have no significant contributions here but my thanks are to
>> > Picinus and to his translators.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>>>>> >>> > >However, while I see Latin, English, Spanish, German, and
>> > Italian, both your native Romanian and French seem to be missing.
>> > Isn¹t there a Romanian version of the oath of office? Would you
>> > like to produce one?>>>
>> >
>> > Correct. Romanian and French versions of the oath are necessary in
>> > our records. I hope to have time to produce the Romanian one in the
>> > next months. About French version...I will let that to our friend
>> > Albucius (Hint, hint...)
>> >
>> > ATS: Albucius has already translated the entire corpus, including the Lex
>> > Iunia, which contains the oath of office. There should also be other
>> > versions, perhaps into German and Portuguese. The Latin version, of
>> course,
>> > was done under the direction of then-Consul Cn. Salvius Astur and Pontifex
C.
>> > Iulius Scaurus.
>> >
>> > I would like to see the Romanian version for purposes of linguistic
>> > comparison. Hope you will get a chance to do this.
>> >
>> > VALETE,
>> > IVL SABINVS
>> >
>> > Vale, et valete.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54538 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: EDICTUM PRAETORIUM CURIATI DE SCRIBAE CREATIONE CORRECTION)
Here is the revised text of my Edict:

Ex Officio Praetoris Nova Roma

Ex hoc, cives K. Fabium Buteo Quintilianum scriba praetoris creo.

Nullum ius iurandum poscetur.

Hoc edictum ilico valet.

Datum sub manibus nostris Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI A.V.C.

M.Moravio T.Iulio cos.

----------------------------------------------------------

By this edict, I appoint citizen K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus scriba
praetoris.

No oath shall be demanded.

This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under our hands this 1st day of January 2761 from the founding of Roma
during the Consulship of M.Moravius and T. Iulius

----------------------------------------------------------

Por este edicto, nombro al ciudadano K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus scriba
praetoris. .

No se requiere juramento.

Este edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente

Dado a 1º de Enero de 2761 desde la fundación de Roma en el Consulado de M.
Moravio y T. Iulio

M. Curiatius Complutensis

Praetor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54539 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
How can I join?

Vale,

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Consular Oath of Office.


Salve Luci Fideli,

Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> If you want I can translate the oath from English to Portuguese,
> because I'm skilled in english and portuguese.

That's a generous offer. I think there's already a Portuguese
translation somewhere in the archives, though for some odd reason it's
not linked. If you're interested in joining the decuria of
interpreters as an interpreter between English and Portuguese, I
encourage you to apply to the consuls for appointment.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54540 From: liviacases Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: A few observations
Salve Octavia Aventina,

> 3) Trigger happy Tribunes! It will be a fun year!

Hmmm ... Maybe Aquila is, but I'm not really trigger happy. I only
shoot if it's necessary, and when I shoot, I usually hit, as anyone
who has seen me using a bow can testify, even though my name is not
Diana.

>
> 4) A few people left the list because of the arguing: Go join a
> Roman fluffy bunny list. The true Romans stay, get bashed in the
> head a few hundred times and come back for more.
>
Now that's the spirit! In the martial arts group I used to be part of,
we had a simple and effective rule: anyone who took offence had to buy
a bottle of whiskey for common consumption. Interestingly enough,
nobody ever took offence (though, as you can imagine, people did try
to provoke).


> 5) Pagans vs Christians and Christian vs Pagan arguments: This
> happens regularly. Just for the record, I have read all of the ML
> emails just to keep up with who hates whom :-)
>
Yes, very instructive, specially for a relative newbye like me.

>
> Nova Roma! Gotta love it!!

Definitely!!

Ah, and thanks a lot for the tribune handbook! That was my best friend
when I was alone in office a few days ago and needed to act.

Vale,
L. Livia Plauta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54541 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Re: Consular Oath of Office.
> A. Tullia Scholastica L. Fidelio Lusitano S.P.D
>
>
>
> How can I join?
>
> ATS: By being invited to the interpreters¹ list. I have sent you an
> invitation. We do have a couple of other Portuguese interpreters, but there
> is always plenty to do, though getting work onsite may be a problem. However,
> in order to be an official interpreter, you must, as Consularis Marinus noted,
> write to a consul and outline your qualifications for the post. Official
> interpreters are appointed by the Senate.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus SPD.
>
> Vale.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Consular Oath of Office.
>
> Salve Luci Fideli,
>
> Lucius Fidelius Lusitanus <brunocantermi@...
> <mailto:brunocantermi%40terra.com.br> > writes:
>
>> > If you want I can translate the oath from English to Portuguese,
>> > because I'm skilled in english and portuguese.
>
> That's a generous offer. I think there's already a Portuguese
> translation somewhere in the archives, though for some odd reason it's
> not linked. If you're interested in joining the decuria of
> interpreters as an interpreter between English and Portuguese, I
> encourage you to apply to the consuls for appointment.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
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>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54542 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: oath - magister areanarius
Ego, M. Lucretius Agricola, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse
sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, M. Lucretius Agricola, officio magistri araneari Novae Romae
accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus
culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum
esse IVRO.

Ego, M. Lucretius Agricola, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam
defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne
quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, M. Lucretius Agricola officiis muneris magistri araneari me quam
optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus magistri araneari una cum
iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.


"I, M. Lucretius Agricola (W. Hogue) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, M. Lucretius Agricola (W. Hogue)
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, M. Lucretius Agricola (W. Hogue) swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, M. Lucretius Agricola (W. Hogue) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, M. Lucretius Agricola (W. Hogue) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of magister areanarius
to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of magister areanarius and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."


Agricola Omnibus SPD.

The Senate has chosen to appoint Q. Valerius Callidus and myself
jointly to hold this office. My colleague's oath should be forthcoming
soon. We will work together to provide the best services that we can,
although we will be hard pressed to live up to the standard set by M.
Octavius Gracchus, who has been holding this post alone, and to whom
we all owe a great debt.

optime valete in cura deorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54543 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: BONA COMPITALIA!
Salvete Romani! January 3rd begins the three day
festival of the Compitalia honoring the Lares
Compitales and Viales! May we all remember the Lares
of the pathways and crossroads with a spelt cake
offering and incense. To all I wish a BONA COMPITALIA!
Valete! Gaivs Ivlianvs


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54544 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2008-01-02
Subject: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
Salvete Omnes! There is recorded in the original Latin
a toast to the Genius of the Divus Augustus that the
Senate decreed in ancient Rome for people to say at
every meal, and I believe the toast went something
like "Augusto Pater Patriae salute!" Does anyone have
the correct spelling or wording to this original
toast???!!! My memory escapes me, or this correct? Who
recorded this?! Gratias vobis ago! Valete! Gaivs Ivlianvs


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54545 From: M.CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Compitalia
*M. Curiatius Complutensis et M. Iulius Severus
praetores: Senatui Populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus, omnibusque:
salutem plurimam dicunt: *
* *
*Iubemus vos bono animo esse!

Ante die XIII Kalendas Februarias populo Novo Romano Quiritibus
Compitalia erunt; quando concepta fuerint, dies nefastus esto.

Praetores edicunt, ut omnes sacella sacra aperiantur, supplicationesque
Anniversario Decimo Novae Romae fiant.

Datum est III Nonas Januarias, M. Moravio Piscino T. Iulio Sabino
consulibus, anno MMDCCLXI AUC.

*
* *
The Praetores Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus
send salutations to the Senate and People of Nova Roma, the Quirites,
and to All others:

We wish you to be of Good Cheer!

On the eighteenth day of January, the Nones of January, the Roman
people, the Quirites, will celebrate the Compitalia; when they shall
have begun, legal business ceases.

The Praetores proclaim that (on this day) all shrines are to be opened
and thanksgivings offered during the tenth anniversary of Nova Roma.

Given in the Consulship of M. Moravius Piscinus and T. Iulius Sabinus, 3
January 2008 CE




--
MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
PRAETOR

MARCVS IVLIVS SEVERUS
PRAETOR



--
MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
SENATOR

PROPRAETOR HISPANIA
SCRIBA CENSORIS KFBM
NOVA ROMA

Ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54546 From: M.CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: BOUNCING MEMBERS IN THE ML AND IN THE NOVA ROMA ANNOUNCE
Ex officio Praetoris

All those people who were included in the mailing lists (Nova-Roma and
NovaRoma-Announce) as bouncing members will be removed from them.

Valete

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MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
PRAETOR
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SENATOR
PRAETOR HISPANIA
SCRIBA CENSORIS KFBM
NOVA ROMA

Ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54547 From: qvalerius Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
Are you referring to this?

Patris patriae cognomen universi repentino maximoque consensu
detulerunt ei: prima plebs legatione Antium missa; dein, quia non
recipiebat, ineunti Romae spectacula frequens et laureata; mox in
curia senatus, neque decreto neque adclamatione, sed per Valerium
Messalam. 2 Is mandantibus cunctis: "Quod bonum," inquit, "faustumque
sit tibi domuique tuae, Caesar Auguste! Sic enim nos perpetuam
felicitatem rei p. et laeta huic precari existimamus: senatus te
consentiens cum populo R. consalutat patriae patrem." Cui lacrimans
respondit Augustus his verbis — ipsa enim, sicut Messalae, posui —:
"Compos factus votorum meorum, p. c., quid habeo aliud deos immortales
precari, quam ut hunc consensum vestrum ad ultimum finem vitae mihi
perferre liceat?"

The whole body of citizens with a sudden unanimous impulse proffered
him the title of Father of his Country: first the commons, by a
deputation sent to Antium, and then, because he declined it, again at
Rome as he entered the theatre, which they attended in throngs, all
wearing laurel wreaths: the senate afterwards in the House, not by a
decree or by acclamation, but through Valerius Messala. 2 He, speaking
for the whole body, said: "Good fortune and divine favour attend thee
and thy house, Caesar Augustus; for thus we feel that we are praying
for lasting prosperity for our country and happiness for our city. The
senate in accord with the people of Rome hails thee Father of thy
Country." Then Augustus with tears in his eyes replied as follows (and
I have given his exact words, as I did those of Messala): "Having
attained my highest hopes, Fathers of the Senate, what more have I to
ask of the immortal gods than that I may retain this same unanimous
approval of yours to the very end of my life."

There's also Ovid's Fasti II.633-638:

et libate dapes, ut grati pignus honoris,
nutriat incinctos missa patella Lares.
Iamque, ubi suadebit placidos nox humida somnos,
larga precaturi sumite vina manu,
et "bene vos, bene te, patriae pater, optime Caesar!"
dicite; suffuso sint bona verba mero.

And poor a libation for the feast, so that, as a pledge of pleasing
homage, the offered bowl may nourish the girded Lares.
And now, as moist night nudges pleasant sleep, take much wine by hand
in order to pray,
and repeat: "bene vos, bene te, father of the fatherland, Caesar the
Greatest!"; with the wine poured out, let the words be good.

(trans. mine, off the cuff)

Horace 4.5.29-36

Quis Partum paveat, quis gelidum Scythen,
quis Germania quos horrida parturit
fetus, incolumi Caesare? Quis ferae
bellum curet Hiberiae?

As long as Caesar is safe, who would fear the
Parthian, who [would fear] the frozen Scythian, who
[would fear] the swarms which savage Germany breeds?
Who would worry about war with fierce Spain?

Condit quisque diem collibus in suis
et uitem uiduas ducit ad arbores;
hinc ad uina redit laetus et alteris
te mensis adhibet deum;

Each [farmer] spends the day in his own hills
and joins the vine to unwed trees; hence he
returns [home] to his wine and invites you as a
god at the second course [of his meal];

te multa prece, te prosequitur mero
defuso pateris et Laribus tuum
miscet numen, uti Graecia Castoris
et magni memor Herculis.

he beseeches you with much prayer, with wine
poured out from bowls, and he combines your
godhead with the Lares, just as Greece [is]
mindful of Castor and great Hercules.

(trans. Michael Gilleland)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GAIVS IVLIANVS <ivlianvs309@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes! There is recorded in the original Latin
> a toast to the Genius of the Divus Augustus that the
> Senate decreed in ancient Rome for people to say at
> every meal, and I believe the toast went something
> like "Augusto Pater Patriae salute!" Does anyone have
> the correct spelling or wording to this original
> toast???!!! My memory escapes me, or this correct? Who
> recorded this?! Gratias vobis ago! Valete! Gaivs Ivlianvs
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54548 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Ianuarias: Paci Augusti
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Vos quod fexitis, Deos omnes fortunare velim.

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est:
sacrum Paci Augusti

We spread our sails for the ports of happiness,
seeking a cargo of Siro's learned sayings,
and shall free our life from every care.
~ Vergilius Maro, Catalepton 5.8-10


"Let Pax tend our fields. Bright Pax, first to lead the cow under
the yoke to plow the fields, Pax, who nourished the vine and stored
the juice of grapes so that pure wine might flow for the sone from
the father's jar. In peace shall shine the hoe and the ploughshare,
but decay masters the sad arms of the harsh soldier in the
darkness. Pax, Goddess of Peace, O come to us, nourishing Pax,
holding in Your hand the wheat stalk with its tassels, and let pour
forth a harvest of fruit from the shining bosom of Your robe!" ~
Tibullus I.10.45-50, 67-68

"By the authority of the Senate, a part of the Praetors and Tribuni
Plebis, with Consul Quintus Lucretius and the leading men, was sent
to meet me in Campania, which honor had been decreed for no one but
me until that time. When I returned to Rome from Spain and Gaul,
having successfully accomplished matters in those provinces, when
Tiberius Nero and Publius Quintilius were Consuls (13 B.C.E.), the
senate voted to consecrate the Ara Pacis Augusti in the Campus
Martius for my return, on which it ordered the magistrates and
priests and Vestal virgins to offer annual sacrifices." ~ Caesar
Augustus, Res Gestae Divi Augusti 12

Vowed in 13 BCE, the Ara Pacis Augusti was dedicated on 30 January 9
BCE. A festival for Pax appears earlier in the month, but it, too,
coming before the Nones, would date to the Imperial era.


AUC 647 / 106 BCE: Birth of M. Tullius Cicero.


Our thought for today is from Seneca, Epistle 39:

"Words should be scattered like seed; no matter how small the seed
may be, if it has once found favourablc ground, it unfolds its
strength and from an insignificant thing spreads to its greatest
growth. Reason grows in the same way; it is not large to the outward
view, but increases as it does its work. Few words are spoken; but
if the mind has truly caught them, they come into their strength and
spring up. Yes, precepts and seeds have the same quality; they
produce much, and yet they are slight things. Only, as I said, let a
favourable mind receive and assimilate them. Then of itself the mind
also will produce bounteously in its turn, giving back more than it
has received."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54549 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Seven Wonders of the Roman World
ave amice
muchas gracias y feliz ano nuevo a todos.

vale
M IVL PERVSIANVS
PS can't find the right 'n' on my keyboard ;-)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Inigo Fernandez" <inigus2002@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve:
>
> I want to congratulate you, M. IVL. PERVSIANVS for your effort and
for the
> chance to choose "the Seven Wonders of the Roman world" (no matter if my
> options didn`t win...).
>
> Have a nice new year. Auguri from Mexico
>
>
>
> On Jan 1, 2008 4:38 PM, Marcus Iulius Perusianus <peraznanie@...>
> wrote:
>
> > avete omnes,
> >
> > amici, first off we wish you a happy new year!
> >
> > This is the list of the winners of our "the Seven Wonders of the Roman
> > world" poll:
> >
> > 1. Pantheon, Rome
> >
> > 2. Colosseum or Amphitheatrum Flavium, Rome
> >
> > 3. Ara Pacis Augustae, Rome
> >
> > 4. Hadrian Wall (United Kingdom) and Hadrian's Villa (Tivoli, Italy)
> >
> > 6. Hadrian's Mausuleum, Rome (nowadays St.Angel castle), and
> > Caracalla's bath, Rome
> >
> > then follows, not winners:
> > 8. Domus Aurea, Rome and Aqueduct-bridge Pont Du Gard, France
> > 10.Titus'arch, Rome - Curia Iulia in the Forum, Rome and Villa of the
> > Misteries, Pompeii , Italy
> >
> > As communicated earlier, an article about each of the first seven
> > monuments, will be published on Pomerium magazine (starting January
> > 2008, there will be also all the details of the results).
> > about their beauty and architectural characteristics to explain why
> > they are so special among all the other Roman antiquities.
> >
> > valete optime
> >
> > M IVL PERVSIANVS
> > Associazione Pomerium
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54551 From: os390account Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: oath - magister areanarius
Ego, Q. Valerius Callidus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse
sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Q. Valerius Callidus, officio magistri araneari Novae Romae
accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus
culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum
esse IVRO.

Ego, Q. Valerius Callidus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam
defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse,
ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Q. Valerius Callidus officiis muneris magistri araneari me quam
optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus magistri araneari una cum
iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.


"I, Q. Valerius Callidus do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Q. Valerius Callidus swear to honor
the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Q. Valerius Callidus swear to uphold and defend the Religio
Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Q. Valerius Callidus swear to protect and defend the Constitution
of Nova Roma.

I, Q. Valerius Callidus further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of magister areanarius to the best of
my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of magister areanarius and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54552 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
Salve! I do thank you for all of this, but what I
remember is only a few lines and may now I think (?)
went something like "Augusto Pater Patriae Feliciter"
IF my Latin is correct?! Does anyone know? Vale! Gaivs
Ivlianvs
--- qvalerius <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:

> Are you referring to this?
>
> Patris patriae cognomen universi repentino maximoque
> consensu
> detulerunt ei: prima plebs legatione Antium missa;
> dein, quia non
> recipiebat, ineunti Romae spectacula frequens et
> laureata; mox in
> curia senatus, neque decreto neque adclamatione, sed
> per Valerium
> Messalam. 2 Is mandantibus cunctis: "Quod bonum,"
> inquit, "faustumque
> sit tibi domuique tuae, Caesar Auguste! Sic enim nos
> perpetuam
> felicitatem rei p. et laeta huic precari
> existimamus: senatus te
> consentiens cum populo R. consalutat patriae
> patrem." Cui lacrimans
> respondit Augustus his verbis — ipsa enim, sicut
> Messalae, posui —:
> "Compos factus votorum meorum, p. c., quid habeo
> aliud deos immortales
> precari, quam ut hunc consensum vestrum ad ultimum
> finem vitae mihi
> perferre liceat?"
>
> The whole body of citizens with a sudden unanimous
> impulse proffered
> him the title of Father of his Country: first the
> commons, by a
> deputation sent to Antium, and then, because he
> declined it, again at
> Rome as he entered the theatre, which they attended
> in throngs, all
> wearing laurel wreaths: the senate afterwards in the
> House, not by a
> decree or by acclamation, but through Valerius
> Messala. 2 He, speaking
> for the whole body, said: "Good fortune and divine
> favour attend thee
> and thy house, Caesar Augustus; for thus we feel
> that we are praying
> for lasting prosperity for our country and happiness
> for our city. The
> senate in accord with the people of Rome hails thee
> Father of thy
> Country." Then Augustus with tears in his eyes
> replied as follows (and
> I have given his exact words, as I did those of
> Messala): "Having
> attained my highest hopes, Fathers of the Senate,
> what more have I to
> ask of the immortal gods than that I may retain this
> same unanimous
> approval of yours to the very end of my life."
>
> There's also Ovid's Fasti II.633-638:
>
> et libate dapes, ut grati pignus honoris,
> nutriat incinctos missa patella Lares.
> Iamque, ubi suadebit placidos nox humida somnos,
> larga precaturi sumite vina manu,
> et "bene vos, bene te, patriae pater, optime
> Caesar!"
> dicite; suffuso sint bona verba mero.
>
> And poor a libation for the feast, so that, as a
> pledge of pleasing
> homage, the offered bowl may nourish the girded
> Lares.
> And now, as moist night nudges pleasant sleep, take
> much wine by hand
> in order to pray,
> and repeat: "bene vos, bene te, father of the
> fatherland, Caesar the
> Greatest!"; with the wine poured out, let the words
> be good.
>
> (trans. mine, off the cuff)
>
> Horace 4.5.29-36
>
> Quis Partum paveat, quis gelidum Scythen,
> quis Germania quos horrida parturit
> fetus, incolumi Caesare? Quis ferae
> bellum curet Hiberiae?
>
> As long as Caesar is safe, who would fear the
> Parthian, who [would fear] the frozen Scythian, who
> [would fear] the swarms which savage Germany breeds?
> Who would worry about war with fierce Spain?
>
> Condit quisque diem collibus in suis
> et uitem uiduas ducit ad arbores;
> hinc ad uina redit laetus et alteris
> te mensis adhibet deum;
>
> Each [farmer] spends the day in his own hills
> and joins the vine to unwed trees; hence he
> returns [home] to his wine and invites you as a
> god at the second course [of his meal];
>
> te multa prece, te prosequitur mero
> defuso pateris et Laribus tuum
> miscet numen, uti Graecia Castoris
> et magni memor Herculis.
>
> he beseeches you with much prayer, with wine
> poured out from bowls, and he combines your
> godhead with the Lares, just as Greece [is]
> mindful of Castor and great Hercules.
>
> (trans. Michael Gilleland)
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GAIVS IVLIANVS
> <ivlianvs309@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete Omnes! There is recorded in the original
> Latin
> > a toast to the Genius of the Divus Augustus that
> the
> > Senate decreed in ancient Rome for people to say
> at
> > every meal, and I believe the toast went something
> > like "Augusto Pater Patriae salute!" Does anyone
> have
> > the correct spelling or wording to this original
> > toast???!!! My memory escapes me, or this correct?
> Who
> > recorded this?! Gratias vobis ago! Valete! Gaivs
> Ivlianvs
> >
> >
> >
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54553 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Compitalia
C. Aemilius Crassus Praetoribus SPD,

I�m sorry but I�m a little confused with the dates on your proclamation concerning Compitalia, probably it is my own fault and I�m missing something.

On the Latin section it is said, as far as my Latin let me know, that on the day a.d. XIII Kal. Feb. the people of Nova Roma will celebrate the Compitalia. Well the a.d. XIII Kal. Feb. is the 20th of January.

Then on the English section it is said:

�On the eighteenth day of January, the Nones of January��

The Nones of January is the 5th day of January and the eighteenth is the day a.d. XV Kal. Feb.

So when exactly it will be celebrate the Compitalia?

Di vos incolumes custodiant.


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----- Original Message ----
From: M.CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com; "NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com" <NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 6:59:59 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Compitalia

*M. Curiatius Complutensis et M. Iulius Severus
praetores: Senatui Populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus, omnibusque:
salutem plurimam dicunt: *
* *
*Iubemus vos bono animo esse!

Ante die XIII Kalendas Februarias populo Novo Romano Quiritibus
Compitalia erunt; quando concepta fuerint, dies nefastus esto.

Praetores edicunt, ut omnes sacella sacra aperiantur, supplicationesque
Anniversario Decimo Novae Romae fiant.

Datum est III Nonas Januarias, M. Moravio Piscino T. Iulio Sabino
consulibus, anno MMDCCLXI AUC.

*
* *
The Praetores Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus
send salutations to the Senate and People of Nova Roma, the Quirites,
and to All others:

We wish you to be of Good Cheer!

On the eighteenth day of January, the Nones of January, the Roman
people, the Quirites, will celebrate the Compitalia; when they shall
have begun, legal business ceases.

The Praetores proclaim that (on this day) all shrines are to be opened
and thanksgivings offered during the tenth anniversary of Nova Roma.

Given in the Consulship of M. Moravius Piscinus and T. Iulius Sabinus, 3
January 2008 CE

--
MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
PRAETOR

MARCVS IVLIVS SEVERUS
PRAETOR

--
MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
SENATOR

PROPRAETOR HISPANIA
SCRIBA CENSORIS KFBM
NOVA ROMA

Ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54554 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Election of Custos.
C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,

I have just seen that the second position of Custos is listed as vacant in the Magistrates list of this year. What did happen to the candidature of L. Aurelius Severus?
I also checked the election results announce and in fact he isn’t listed as elected but since he was the only candidate I would guess he was elected.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54555 From: M.CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Compitalia
Salvete

my apologies to all. There is a mistake in the dates, the Complitalia
will celebrates in Nonas Ianuarias (Jan 5th)

Valete

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
PRAETOR
--

SENATOR
PRAETOR HISPANIA
SCRIBA CENSORIS KFBM
NOVA ROMA

Ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima



Gaius Aemilius Crassus escribió:
> C. Aemilius Crassus Praetoribus SPD,
>
> I’m sorry but I’m a little confused with the dates on your proclamation concerning Compitalia, probably it is my own fault and I’m missing something.
>
> On the Latin section it is said, as far as my Latin let me know, that on the day a.d. XIII Kal. Feb. the people of Nova Roma will celebrate the Compitalia. Well the a.d. XIII Kal. Feb. is the 20th of January.
>
> Then on the English section it is said:
>
> “On the eighteenth day of January, the Nones of January…”
>
> The Nones of January is the 5th day of January and the eighteenth is the day a.d. XV Kal. Feb.
>
> So when exactly it will be celebrate the Compitalia?
>
> Di vos incolumes custodiant.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
> DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: M.CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com; "NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com" <NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 6:59:59 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Compitalia
>
> *M. Curiatius Complutensis et M. Iulius Severus
> praetores: Senatui Populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus, omnibusque:
> salutem plurimam dicunt: *
> * *
> *Iubemus vos bono animo esse!
>
> Ante die XIII Kalendas Februarias populo Novo Romano Quiritibus
> Compitalia erunt; quando concepta fuerint, dies nefastus esto.
>
> Praetores edicunt, ut omnes sacella sacra aperiantur, supplicationesque
> Anniversario Decimo Novae Romae fiant.
>
> Datum est III Nonas Januarias, M. Moravio Piscino T. Iulio Sabino
> consulibus, anno MMDCCLXI AUC.
>
> *
> * *
> The Praetores Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus
> send salutations to the Senate and People of Nova Roma, the Quirites,
> and to All others:
>
> We wish you to be of Good Cheer!
>
> On the eighteenth day of January, the Nones of January, the Roman
> people, the Quirites, will celebrate the Compitalia; when they shall
> have begun, legal business ceases.
>
> The Praetores proclaim that (on this day) all shrines are to be opened
> and thanksgivings offered during the tenth anniversary of Nova Roma.
>
> Given in the Consulship of M. Moravius Piscinus and T. Iulius Sabinus, 3
> January 2008 CE
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54556 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Election of Custos.
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus C. Aemilio Crasso salutem dicit

He became a Christian, a particular type of Christian who didn't feel
in good conscience that he could take the oath of office. So he
withdrew.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Jan 3, 2008 9:13 AM, Gaius Aemilius Crassus <septemtrionis@...> wrote:
>
> C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,
>
> I have just seen that the second position of Custos is listed as vacant in
> the Magistrates list of this year. What did happen to the candidature of L.
> Aurelius Severus?
> I also checked the election results announce and in fact he isn't listed as
> elected but since he was the only candidate I would guess he was elected.
>
> Di vos incolumes custodiant.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
> DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54557 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Gn. Equitio Marino et al sal.



There is a specific lex about the governor taking tax payments and forwarding the payment on to the aerarium (public treasury).? I established a separate account for and a paper trail (checks, money orders)?for my first year of collecting the provincial taxes as governor and I recommend that all other governors do the same.? It is useful to have funds on hand to assist with public events such as food at the curial feasts and making signs.

It is in the best interests of each province for the governors to collect the taxes and forward them to a the central government of Nova Roma.? Furthermore, since Nova Roma's elected magistrates?don't control the funds that has been collected over the years, the Senate might want to appoint two urban quaestores to establish a corporate account in a national/international bank for money collected in 2761 to insure the financial Concordia and Salus Publica this year.

Valete


-----Original Message-----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com; Gens Iulia <maite_cat@...>
Sent: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:51 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Making tax payments without using PayPal







Gaia Iulia Agrippa <maite_cat@...> writes:

[about paying taxes from her home province of Argentina]

> Money orders might be an option (although Western Union might be
> the best for me, if available).

Here's a quote from last year's tax edictum, explaining the option for
tax payment by mail.

--- Begin Quote ---
Those outside the US will need to obtain and send an International
Money Order made out in U.S. dollars. Individual cheques in various
currencies are unfortunately not acceptable to send by postal method
as the checks are quickly devalued by the multiple bank charges to
convert these to U.S. currency.

Some Provincial Governors will choose to arrange a central point in
their provincial to which their citizens may remit taxes so that the
province will only need to make a single payment to the central
treasury. Citizens are encouraged to contact their Governor to
determine whether or not such an arrangement will be made. Provincial
Governors who follow the practice may choose to retain one-half of the
taxes collected in their Province for local use according to the local
budgets they have prepared. This arrangement has the advantage of
avoiding fees to have funds for local expenditures transmitted back to
the Province.
--- End Quote ---

I don't think your province of Argentina currently has a governor.
However, you could still coordinate with other people in Argentina to
have funds bundled into one single international money order, thus
saving processing costs.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54558 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Election of Custos.
C. Aemilius Crassus K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano SPD,

Thank you for the information. Well I guess the electoral staff will have to do with only one Custos.

Di te incolumem custodiant.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54559 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Salve Aureliane,

PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:

> There is a specific lex about the governor taking tax payments

Argentina doesn't have a governor right now. I was trying to address
some concerns raised by an Argentine citizen.

> and forwarding the payment on to the aerarium (public treasury).? I
> established a separate account for and a paper trail (checks, money
> orders)?for my first year of collecting the provincial taxes as
> governor and I recommend that all other governors do the same.?

The costs of maintaining such accounts vary tremendously even from
state to state within the US. I looked into the creation of an
account for Mediatlantica when I was governor, and the fees for a
non-profit business account would have eaten our meagre funds up
within a year.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54560 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Salve,

Is it possible to use a paypal account?

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve Aureliane,
>
> PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:
>
> > There is a specific lex about the governor taking tax payments
>
> Argentina doesn't have a governor right now. I was trying to address
> some concerns raised by an Argentine citizen.
>
> > and forwarding the payment on to the aerarium (public treasury).? I
> > established a separate account for and a paper trail (checks, money
> > orders)?for my first year of collecting the provincial taxes as
> > governor and I recommend that all other governors do the same.?
>
> The costs of maintaining such accounts vary tremendously even from
> state to state within the US. I looked into the creation of an
> account for Mediatlantica when I was governor, and the fees for a
> non-profit business account would have eaten our meagre funds up
> within a year.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54561 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Election of Custos.
Salve Gaius Aemilius Crassus

Our new Consuls will mostly likly hold an election
to fill the post in short order.

Please give them time. They have only been in office for three days.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


>From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus <septemtrionis@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Election of Custos.
>Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:11:26 -0800 (PST)
>
>C. Aemilius Crassus K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano SPD,
>
>Thank you for the information. Well I guess the electoral staff will have
>to do with only one Custos.
>
>Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
>
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>DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54562 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> writes:

> Is it possible to use a paypal account?

Of course. That's what most people do. But the question was about
how to pay from outside the US without using PayPal.

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54563 From: qvalerius Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
If that's the case, then it has to be patri instead of pater (it has
to agree with Augusto) and a google search brings up Plutarch,
Satyricon LX with that phrase.

Rati ergo sacrum esse fericulum tam religioso apparatu perfusum,
consurreximus altius et "Augusto, patri patriae, feliciter" diximus.

So conceiving there must be something specially holy about this dish,
scented as it was in this ceremonial fashion, we rose to our feet,
crying, "All hail, Augustus, Father of his Country!"

Q. Valerius Poplicola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GAIVS IVLIANVS <ivlianvs309@...> wrote:
>
> Salve! I do thank you for all of this, but what I
> remember is only a few lines and may now I think (?)
> went something like "Augusto Pater Patriae Feliciter"
> IF my Latin is correct?! Does anyone know? Vale! Gaivs
> Ivlianvs
> --- qvalerius <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
>
> > Are you referring to this?
> >
> > Patris patriae cognomen universi repentino maximoque
> > consensu
> > detulerunt ei: prima plebs legatione Antium missa;
> > dein, quia non
> > recipiebat, ineunti Romae spectacula frequens et
> > laureata; mox in
> > curia senatus, neque decreto neque adclamatione, sed
> > per Valerium
> > Messalam. 2 Is mandantibus cunctis: "Quod bonum,"
> > inquit, "faustumque
> > sit tibi domuique tuae, Caesar Auguste! Sic enim nos
> > perpetuam
> > felicitatem rei p. et laeta huic precari
> > existimamus: senatus te
> > consentiens cum populo R. consalutat patriae
> > patrem." Cui lacrimans
> > respondit Augustus his verbis — ipsa enim, sicut
> > Messalae, posui —:
> > "Compos factus votorum meorum, p. c., quid habeo
> > aliud deos immortales
> > precari, quam ut hunc consensum vestrum ad ultimum
> > finem vitae mihi
> > perferre liceat?"
> >
> > The whole body of citizens with a sudden unanimous
> > impulse proffered
> > him the title of Father of his Country: first the
> > commons, by a
> > deputation sent to Antium, and then, because he
> > declined it, again at
> > Rome as he entered the theatre, which they attended
> > in throngs, all
> > wearing laurel wreaths: the senate afterwards in the
> > House, not by a
> > decree or by acclamation, but through Valerius
> > Messala. 2 He, speaking
> > for the whole body, said: "Good fortune and divine
> > favour attend thee
> > and thy house, Caesar Augustus; for thus we feel
> > that we are praying
> > for lasting prosperity for our country and happiness
> > for our city. The
> > senate in accord with the people of Rome hails thee
> > Father of thy
> > Country." Then Augustus with tears in his eyes
> > replied as follows (and
> > I have given his exact words, as I did those of
> > Messala): "Having
> > attained my highest hopes, Fathers of the Senate,
> > what more have I to
> > ask of the immortal gods than that I may retain this
> > same unanimous
> > approval of yours to the very end of my life."
> >
> > There's also Ovid's Fasti II.633-638:
> >
> > et libate dapes, ut grati pignus honoris,
> > nutriat incinctos missa patella Lares.
> > Iamque, ubi suadebit placidos nox humida somnos,
> > larga precaturi sumite vina manu,
> > et "bene vos, bene te, patriae pater, optime
> > Caesar!"
> > dicite; suffuso sint bona verba mero.
> >
> > And poor a libation for the feast, so that, as a
> > pledge of pleasing
> > homage, the offered bowl may nourish the girded
> > Lares.
> > And now, as moist night nudges pleasant sleep, take
> > much wine by hand
> > in order to pray,
> > and repeat: "bene vos, bene te, father of the
> > fatherland, Caesar the
> > Greatest!"; with the wine poured out, let the words
> > be good.
> >
> > (trans. mine, off the cuff)
> >
> > Horace 4.5.29-36
> >
> > Quis Partum paveat, quis gelidum Scythen,
> > quis Germania quos horrida parturit
> > fetus, incolumi Caesare? Quis ferae
> > bellum curet Hiberiae?
> >
> > As long as Caesar is safe, who would fear the
> > Parthian, who [would fear] the frozen Scythian, who
> > [would fear] the swarms which savage Germany breeds?
> > Who would worry about war with fierce Spain?
> >
> > Condit quisque diem collibus in suis
> > et uitem uiduas ducit ad arbores;
> > hinc ad uina redit laetus et alteris
> > te mensis adhibet deum;
> >
> > Each [farmer] spends the day in his own hills
> > and joins the vine to unwed trees; hence he
> > returns [home] to his wine and invites you as a
> > god at the second course [of his meal];
> >
> > te multa prece, te prosequitur mero
> > defuso pateris et Laribus tuum
> > miscet numen, uti Graecia Castoris
> > et magni memor Herculis.
> >
> > he beseeches you with much prayer, with wine
> > poured out from bowls, and he combines your
> > godhead with the Lares, just as Greece [is]
> > mindful of Castor and great Hercules.
> >
> > (trans. Michael Gilleland)
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GAIVS IVLIANVS
> > <ivlianvs309@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete Omnes! There is recorded in the original
> > Latin
> > > a toast to the Genius of the Divus Augustus that
> > the
> > > Senate decreed in ancient Rome for people to say
> > at
> > > every meal, and I believe the toast went something
> > > like "Augusto Pater Patriae salute!" Does anyone
> > have
> > > the correct spelling or wording to this original
> > > toast???!!! My memory escapes me, or this correct?
> > Who
> > > recorded this?! Gratias vobis ago! Valete! Gaivs
> > Ivlianvs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54564 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Salve,

No, I mean using paypal as a non-profit account and collecting money
for your province with it.

Vale,

Annia Minucia Marcella

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> writes:
>
> > Is it possible to use a paypal account?
>
> Of course. That's what most people do. But the question was about
> how to pay from outside the US without using PayPal.
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54565 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Salve Marcella,

Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> writes:

> Salve,
>
> No, I mean using paypal as a non-profit account and collecting money
> for your province with it.

I don't know! That might be the perfect solution, especially if the
pay pal account could be linked to a bank account located in some
place that had favorable rates.

Perhaps someone more familiar with the business uses of PayPal can comment?

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54566 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
Salve,

I looked it up on the paypal site and it says this:

"Merchants must provide a brief organizational summary or mission statement and proof of their tax-exempt status or registration with their applicable country-specific regulatory body. PayPal requires this information to ensure compliance with all applicable laws and takes due diligence to assure the legitimacy of the organization. Merchants can inquire about approval in accordance with this policy by sending contact information, business URL, and a brief business summary to compliance@....

Methods of collecting donations that are not associated with a charity or nonprofit organization (like using a tip jar to support the costs of operating a website) are not subject to these requirements. However, all donation transactions are subject to review and must comply with all Acceptable Use Policies."


Here's the non-profit section:
https://www.paypal-promo.com/developer_donations/

Vale,


Annia Minucia Marcella
http://www.myspace.com/novabritannia
http://novabritannia.org/
http://ciarin.com/governor

Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal


Salve Marcella,

Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> writes:

> Salve,
>
> No, I mean using paypal as a non-profit account and collecting money
> for your province with it.

I don't know! That might be the perfect solution, especially if the
pay pal account could be linked to a bank account located in some
place that had favorable rates.

Perhaps someone more familiar with the business uses of PayPal can comment?

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54567 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Procuro assistente de tradução
INTERPRES LINGUAE LUSITANICAE TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS CIVIBUS NOVAE ROMAE
SPD

Estou precisando de um assistente para me ajudar no trabalho de traduzir o
site de Nova Roma para o português.
É preciso que tenha bom conhecimento de inglês e alguma facilidade com
informática (embora os conhecimentos nesse campo exigidos sejam basicamente
saber usar a internet).
Quem se voluntariar será nomeado meu Scriba e receberá uma conta wiki no
portal de Nova Roma.
Para mais informações ou para manifestar interesse, por favor escrever para
tagenialis@...

I am looking for an assistant to help me on translating the website of Nova
Roma into Portuguese.
It is required to have good knowledge in English and some knowledge of
informatics (however you will only be expected to know how to use the
Internet).
The person who shows interest will be appointed my Scriba and will receive
an wiki account on the Nova Roma portal
For further information or to show interest, please write me to
tagenialis@...

Valete bene

TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
Quaestor
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Brasiliae
Interpres Linguae Lusitanicae
Scriba Censoris GFBM
tagenialis@...

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54568 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Aediles Urbs 2761 a.u.c.
Salvete,

Can anyone advise who the current Aediles Urbs are for 2761 a.u.c.?

Vale optime,
Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54569 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> No, I mean using paypal as a non-profit account and collecting money
> for your province with it.
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
>
Only if the non-profit org itseft sets up the acct/AND it has filed
the paperwork( if any) the mico-Gov office that the acct is to be in.
but if it is just a person seting up the acct ,no,even if the person
is a officer of said non-profit.the BOD of said non-profit has to say
for each said acct . " you so-and-so go set this up"etc..
( moi not a lawyer but from what i know of this is how it works in the
USA/EU/some others systems

Marcus Cornelius Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54570 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Aediles Urbs 2761 a.u.c.
SALVE LUCI TRIARE!

For 2761 they were not elected yet. In conformity with Foedus de constitutione Urbis Romae point VI. 4, election in Comitia Urbis will be held between January 1st and February 28th of each year and they are appointed on March 1st. Until then the job is carried on by the last appointed aediles. More information is here

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Urbs_Romae_%28Nova_Roma%29

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

"L. Vitellius Triarius" <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:
Salvete,

Can anyone advise who the current Aediles Urbs are for 2761 a.u.c.?

Vale optime,
Triarius






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54571 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
Salve amice mi! That's it! That is the very phrase
I've been seeking and its origin is Plutarch! Gratias
tibi ago!!! Vale! Amicvs tvvs, Gaivs Ivlianvs
--- qvalerius <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:

> If that's the case, then it has to be patri instead
> of pater (it has
> to agree with Augusto) and a google search brings up
> Plutarch,
> Satyricon LX with that phrase.
>
> Rati ergo sacrum esse fericulum tam religioso
> apparatu perfusum,
> consurreximus altius et "Augusto, patri patriae,
> feliciter" diximus.
>
> So conceiving there must be something specially holy
> about this dish,
> scented as it was in this ceremonial fashion, we
> rose to our feet,
> crying, "All hail, Augustus, Father of his Country!"
>
> Q. Valerius Poplicola
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GAIVS IVLIANVS
> <ivlianvs309@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve! I do thank you for all of this, but what I
> > remember is only a few lines and may now I think
> (?)
> > went something like "Augusto Pater Patriae
> Feliciter"
> > IF my Latin is correct?! Does anyone know? Vale!
> Gaivs
> > Ivlianvs
> > --- qvalerius <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Are you referring to this?
> > >
> > > Patris patriae cognomen universi repentino
> maximoque
> > > consensu
> > > detulerunt ei: prima plebs legatione Antium
> missa;
> > > dein, quia non
> > > recipiebat, ineunti Romae spectacula frequens et
> > > laureata; mox in
> > > curia senatus, neque decreto neque adclamatione,
> sed
> > > per Valerium
> > > Messalam. 2 Is mandantibus cunctis: "Quod
> bonum,"
> > > inquit, "faustumque
> > > sit tibi domuique tuae, Caesar Auguste! Sic enim
> nos
> > > perpetuam
> > > felicitatem rei p. et laeta huic precari
> > > existimamus: senatus te
> > > consentiens cum populo R. consalutat patriae
> > > patrem." Cui lacrimans
> > > respondit Augustus his verbis — ipsa enim, sicut
> > > Messalae, posui —:
> > > "Compos factus votorum meorum, p. c., quid habeo
> > > aliud deos immortales
> > > precari, quam ut hunc consensum vestrum ad
> ultimum
> > > finem vitae mihi
> > > perferre liceat?"
> > >
> > > The whole body of citizens with a sudden
> unanimous
> > > impulse proffered
> > > him the title of Father of his Country: first
> the
> > > commons, by a
> > > deputation sent to Antium, and then, because he
> > > declined it, again at
> > > Rome as he entered the theatre, which they
> attended
> > > in throngs, all
> > > wearing laurel wreaths: the senate afterwards in
> the
> > > House, not by a
> > > decree or by acclamation, but through Valerius
> > > Messala. 2 He, speaking
> > > for the whole body, said: "Good fortune and
> divine
> > > favour attend thee
> > > and thy house, Caesar Augustus; for thus we feel
> > > that we are praying
> > > for lasting prosperity for our country and
> happiness
> > > for our city. The
> > > senate in accord with the people of Rome hails
> thee
> > > Father of thy
> > > Country." Then Augustus with tears in his eyes
> > > replied as follows (and
> > > I have given his exact words, as I did those of
> > > Messala): "Having
> > > attained my highest hopes, Fathers of the
> Senate,
> > > what more have I to
> > > ask of the immortal gods than that I may retain
> this
> > > same unanimous
> > > approval of yours to the very end of my life."
> > >
> > > There's also Ovid's Fasti II.633-638:
> > >
> > > et libate dapes, ut grati pignus honoris,
> > > nutriat incinctos missa patella Lares.
> > > Iamque, ubi suadebit placidos nox humida somnos,
> > > larga precaturi sumite vina manu,
> > > et "bene vos, bene te, patriae pater, optime
> > > Caesar!"
> > > dicite; suffuso sint bona verba mero.
> > >
> > > And poor a libation for the feast, so that, as a
> > > pledge of pleasing
> > > homage, the offered bowl may nourish the girded
> > > Lares.
> > > And now, as moist night nudges pleasant sleep,
> take
> > > much wine by hand
> > > in order to pray,
> > > and repeat: "bene vos, bene te, father of the
> > > fatherland, Caesar the
> > > Greatest!"; with the wine poured out, let the
> words
> > > be good.
> > >
> > > (trans. mine, off the cuff)
> > >
> > > Horace 4.5.29-36
> > >
> > > Quis Partum paveat, quis gelidum Scythen,
> > > quis Germania quos horrida parturit
> > > fetus, incolumi Caesare? Quis ferae
> > > bellum curet Hiberiae?
> > >
> > > As long as Caesar is safe, who would fear the
> > > Parthian, who [would fear] the frozen Scythian,
> who
> > > [would fear] the swarms which savage Germany
> breeds?
> > > Who would worry about war with fierce Spain?
> > >
> > > Condit quisque diem collibus in suis
> > > et uitem uiduas ducit ad arbores;
> > > hinc ad uina redit laetus et alteris
> > > te mensis adhibet deum;
> > >
> > > Each [farmer] spends the day in his own hills
> > > and joins the vine to unwed trees; hence he
> > > returns [home] to his wine and invites you as a
> > > god at the second course [of his meal];
> > >
> > > te multa prece, te prosequitur mero
> > > defuso pateris et Laribus tuum
> > > miscet numen, uti Graecia Castoris
> > > et magni memor Herculis.
> > >
> > > he beseeches you with much prayer, with wine
> > > poured out from bowls, and he combines your
> > > godhead with the Lares, just as Greece [is]
> > > mindful of Castor and great Hercules.
> > >
> > > (trans. Michael Gilleland)
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GAIVS IVLIANVS
> > > <ivlianvs309@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvete Omnes! There is recorded in the
> original
> > > Latin
> > > > a toast to the Genius of the Divus Augustus
> that
> > > the
> > > > Senate decreed in ancient Rome for people to
> say
> > > at
> > > > every meal, and I believe the toast went
> something
> > > > like "Augusto Pater Patriae salute!" Does
> anyone
> > > have
> > > > the correct spelling or wording to this
> original
> > > > toast???!!! My memory escapes me, or this
> correct?
> > > Who
> > > > recorded this?! Gratias vobis ago! Valete!
> Gaivs
> > > Ivlianvs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54572 From: qvalerius Date: 2008-01-03
Subject: Re: Needing help with Latin wording of toast to Augustus!
Salue Iuliane:

Pardon me, though I had been thinking of Plutarch, I actually meant to
type to you Petronius. Plutarch wrote in Greek, not Latin.

Ignosce mihi.

Quintus Valerius Poplicola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GAIVS IVLIANVS <ivlianvs309@...> wrote:
>
> Salve amice mi! That's it! That is the very phrase
> I've been seeking and its origin is Plutarch! Gratias
> tibi ago!!! Vale! Amicvs tvvs, Gaivs Ivlianvs
> --- qvalerius <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
>
> > If that's the case, then it has to be patri instead
> > of pater (it has
> > to agree with Augusto) and a google search brings up
> > Plutarch,
> > Satyricon LX with that phrase.
> >
> > Rati ergo sacrum esse fericulum tam religioso
> > apparatu perfusum,
> > consurreximus altius et "Augusto, patri patriae,
> > feliciter" diximus.
> >
> > So conceiving there must be something specially holy
> > about this dish,
> > scented as it was in this ceremonial fashion, we
> > rose to our feet,
> > crying, "All hail, Augustus, Father of his Country!"
> >
> > Q. Valerius Poplicola
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GAIVS IVLIANVS
> > <ivlianvs309@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve! I do thank you for all of this, but what I
> > > remember is only a few lines and may now I think
> > (?)
> > > went something like "Augusto Pater Patriae
> > Feliciter"
> > > IF my Latin is correct?! Does anyone know? Vale!
> > Gaivs
> > > Ivlianvs
> > > --- qvalerius <catullus.poeta@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are you referring to this?
> > > >
> > > > Patris patriae cognomen universi repentino
> > maximoque
> > > > consensu
> > > > detulerunt ei: prima plebs legatione Antium
> > missa;
> > > > dein, quia non
> > > > recipiebat, ineunti Romae spectacula frequens et
> > > > laureata; mox in
> > > > curia senatus, neque decreto neque adclamatione,
> > sed
> > > > per Valerium
> > > > Messalam. 2 Is mandantibus cunctis: "Quod
> > bonum,"
> > > > inquit, "faustumque
> > > > sit tibi domuique tuae, Caesar Auguste! Sic enim
> > nos
> > > > perpetuam
> > > > felicitatem rei p. et laeta huic precari
> > > > existimamus: senatus te
> > > > consentiens cum populo R. consalutat patriae
> > > > patrem." Cui lacrimans
> > > > respondit Augustus his verbis — ipsa enim, sicut
> > > > Messalae, posui —:
> > > > "Compos factus votorum meorum, p. c., quid habeo
> > > > aliud deos immortales
> > > > precari, quam ut hunc consensum vestrum ad
> > ultimum
> > > > finem vitae mihi
> > > > perferre liceat?"
> > > >
> > > > The whole body of citizens with a sudden
> > unanimous
> > > > impulse proffered
> > > > him the title of Father of his Country: first
> > the
> > > > commons, by a
> > > > deputation sent to Antium, and then, because he
> > > > declined it, again at
> > > > Rome as he entered the theatre, which they
> > attended
> > > > in throngs, all
> > > > wearing laurel wreaths: the senate afterwards in
> > the
> > > > House, not by a
> > > > decree or by acclamation, but through Valerius
> > > > Messala. 2 He, speaking
> > > > for the whole body, said: "Good fortune and
> > divine
> > > > favour attend thee
> > > > and thy house, Caesar Augustus; for thus we feel
> > > > that we are praying
> > > > for lasting prosperity for our country and
> > happiness
> > > > for our city. The
> > > > senate in accord with the people of Rome hails
> > thee
> > > > Father of thy
> > > > Country." Then Augustus with tears in his eyes
> > > > replied as follows (and
> > > > I have given his exact words, as I did those of
> > > > Messala): "Having
> > > > attained my highest hopes, Fathers of the
> > Senate,
> > > > what more have I to
> > > > ask of the immortal gods than that I may retain
> > this
> > > > same unanimous
> > > > approval of yours to the very end of my life."
> > > >
> > > > There's also Ovid's Fasti II.633-638:
> > > >
> > > > et libate dapes, ut grati pignus honoris,
> > > > nutriat incinctos missa patella Lares.
> > > > Iamque, ubi suadebit placidos nox humida somnos,
> > > > larga precaturi sumite vina manu,
> > > > et "bene vos, bene te, patriae pater, optime
> > > > Caesar!"
> > > > dicite; suffuso sint bona verba mero.
> > > >
> > > > And poor a libation for the feast, so that, as a
> > > > pledge of pleasing
> > > > homage, the offered bowl may nourish the girded
> > > > Lares.
> > > > And now, as moist night nudges pleasant sleep,
> > take
> > > > much wine by hand
> > > > in order to pray,
> > > > and repeat: "bene vos, bene te, father of the
> > > > fatherland, Caesar the
> > > > Greatest!"; with the wine poured out, let the
> > words
> > > > be good.
> > > >
> > > > (trans. mine, off the cuff)
> > > >
> > > > Horace 4.5.29-36
> > > >
> > > > Quis Partum paveat, quis gelidum Scythen,
> > > > quis Germania quos horrida parturit
> > > > fetus, incolumi Caesare? Quis ferae
> > > > bellum curet Hiberiae?
> > > >
> > > > As long as Caesar is safe, who would fear the
> > > > Parthian, who [would fear] the frozen Scythian,
> > who
> > > > [would fear] the swarms which savage Germany
> > breeds?
> > > > Who would worry about war with fierce Spain?
> > > >
> > > > Condit quisque diem collibus in suis
> > > > et uitem uiduas ducit ad arbores;
> > > > hinc ad uina redit laetus et alteris
> > > > te mensis adhibet deum;
> > > >
> > > > Each [farmer] spends the day in his own hills
> > > > and joins the vine to unwed trees; hence he
> > > > returns [home] to his wine and invites you as a
> > > > god at the second course [of his meal];
> > > >
> > > > te multa prece, te prosequitur mero
> > > > defuso pateris et Laribus tuum
> > > > miscet numen, uti Graecia Castoris
> > > > et magni memor Herculis.
> > > >
> > > > he beseeches you with much prayer, with wine
> > > > poured out from bowls, and he combines your
> > > > godhead with the Lares, just as Greece [is]
> > > > mindful of Castor and great Hercules.
> > > >
> > > > (trans. Michael Gilleland)
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GAIVS IVLIANVS
> > > > <ivlianvs309@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salvete Omnes! There is recorded in the
> > original
> > > > Latin
> > > > > a toast to the Genius of the Divus Augustus
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > Senate decreed in ancient Rome for people to
> > say
> > > > at
> > > > > every meal, and I believe the toast went
> > something
> > > > > like "Augusto Pater Patriae salute!" Does
> > anyone
> > > > have
> > > > > the correct spelling or wording to this
> > original
> > > > > toast???!!! My memory escapes me, or this
> > correct?
> > > > Who
> > > > > recorded this?! Gratias vobis ago! Valete!
> > Gaivs
> > > > Ivlianvs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
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> > > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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> > >
> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54573 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Making tax payments without using PayPal
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> Is it possible to use a paypal account?
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
>

Agricola Marcellae sal.

Yes. http://www.novaroma.org/donations.html

But the tax rate for this year has not been announced yet.

optime vale in cura deorum!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54574 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Aediles Urbs 2761 a.u.c.
Thank you, Sir.

Vale optime,
Triarius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>
wrote:
>
> SALVE LUCI TRIARE!
>
> For 2761 they were not elected yet. In conformity with Foedus de
constitutione Urbis Romae point VI. 4, election in Comitia Urbis will
be held between January 1st and February 28th of each year and they
are appointed on March 1st. Until then the job is carried on by the
last appointed aediles. More information is here
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Urbs_Romae_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
> VALE BENE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
> "L. Vitellius Triarius" <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Can anyone advise who the current Aediles Urbs are for 2761 a.u.c.?
>
> Vale optime,
> Triarius
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" -
Appius Claudius
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54575 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
L. Vitellius Triarius Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit

I hereby appoint the following scribe.

Q. Valerius Poplicola

No oath is required.

================================
L•VITELLIVS•TRIARIVS
QVAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE

IX Via Ostiensis, Mons Aventinus
================================
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54576 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Election of Custos.
Salve Ti. Galeri Pauline,

I�m not worry since I know Ullerius Venator has great experience on the matters and will guide us in any election to come.

Vale optime bene.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54577 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
Cn. Lentulus quaestor L. Vitellio quaestori sal.

Vitelli! Quaestores don't have ius edicendi. You cannot issue edicts nor you have the right to appoint anyone. Therefore this edict is invalid.

Vale!


"L. Vitellius Triarius" <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> ha scritto:
L. Vitellius Triarius Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit

I hereby appoint the following scribe.

Q. Valerius Poplicola

No oath is required.

================================
L•VITELLIVS•TRIARIVS
QVAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE

IX Via Ostiensis, Mons Aventinus
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54578 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Pridie Nonas Ianuarias
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Di vos inculumes custodiant

Hodie est ante die pristini Nonas Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est:

"On the day before the Nones of January, according to Caesar's
computation, the Dolphin rises in the morning." ~ Plinius Secundus,
Historia Naturalis 18.64

"May leafy shade shelter you, Priapus, and neither the hot sun nor
snowy storms bring you harm. By what ingenuity or skill do you seize
beauties? Certainly not by gleaming beard, nor with stylish hair, as
naked you pass through the icy winds of winter, and naked still
beneath the Dog star you remain through the parching sun of summer."
~ Albius Tibillus 1.4.1-6


"We must not omit some (precepts) of a general nature, which here
recur to our recollection, and more particularly that maxim of Cato,
as profitable as it is humane: (1) 'Always act in such away as to
secure the love of your neighbors.' He then proceeds to state his
reasons for giving this advice, but it appears to me that no one
surely can entertain the slightest doubt upon the subject. One of the
very first recommendations that he gives is to (2) 'take every care
that the farm servants are kept in good condition.' It is a maxim
universally agreed upon in agriculture, that (3) 'nothing must be
done too late;' and again, that (4) 'everything must be done in its
proper season;' while there is a third precept, which reminds us that
(5) 'opportunities lost can never be regained.' The malediction
uttered by Cato against rotten ground has been treated at some length
already; but there is another precept which he is never tired of
repeating, (6) 'Whatever can be done by the help of the ass, will
cost the least money'." ~ Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.8

1. Id agendum, ut diligent vicini.
2. Ne familiae male sit.
3. Nihil sero faciendum.
4. Iterumque suoquaeque tempore facienda.
5. Praetermissa frustra revocari.
6. Quidquid per asellum fieri potest vilissime constat.

Today's thought is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 4.18:

"How much trouble he avoids who does not look to see what his
neighbour says or does or thinks, but only to what he does himself,
that it may be just and pure; or as Agathon says, look not round at
the depraved morals of others, but run straight along the line
without deviating from it."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54579 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
Salve Lentulus,

The link on the Album Civium said the function was available. Guess
we need to get that changed. Sorry, Poplicola...we tried.

Vale optime,
Triarius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Lentulus quaestor L. Vitellio quaestori sal.
>
> Vitelli! Quaestores don't have ius edicendi. You cannot issue
edicts nor you have the right to appoint anyone. Therefore this edict
is invalid.
>
> Vale!
>
>
> "L. Vitellius Triarius" <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> ha scritto:
> L. Vitellius Triarius Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit
>
> I hereby appoint the following scribe.
>
> Q. Valerius Poplicola
>
> No oath is required.
>
> ================================
> L•VITELLIVS•TRIARIVS
> QVAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
>
> IX Via Ostiensis, Mons Aventinus
> ================================
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54580 From: Mary Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: History fact ?
I don't normally post here - but I'm curious...

I learned that the first democracy (in Rome) was a failure.

Can anyone tell me how long it lasted? Or know where I can find more information on it?


Pax!

Ti. Sempronia Modesta
Libraria at Large

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54581 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus L. Vitellio Triario salutem dicit

The system doesn't distinguish between one office and another. Marcus
Octavius, who did the programming, is only a volunteer like all of us
and as such has done a marvelous job. Just out of curiosity, why does
a quaestor need a scriba?

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Jan 4, 2008 8:13 AM, L. Vitellius Triarius
<lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Lentulus,
>
> The link on the Album Civium said the function was available. Guess
> we need to get that changed. Sorry, Poplicola...we tried.
>
> Vale optime,
> Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54582 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
Aed. cur. P. Memmius Albucius Censori Modiano Vitellio s.d.

Vitellius and I have just fixed the appointment misunderstanding.

I have sent a few lines to our MA to let him aware of the situation.
I am sure Vitellius has not in mind to question the Titan work done
by our Gracchus. :-)

As I am a real Beotian in the technical conception of the Album
civium, I will fully trust our MA. Maybe it will be possible for our
Magistri to insert some process, or just a sentence telling "Care !
If you are quaestor, the apppointment tool is not available for you".

Concerning the scribe, if Valerius confirms his will working for the
res publica, he will be the most welcome in my cohors aedilicia.

Vale bene, Censor et Vitellio!


P. Memmius Albucius
aed. cur.





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus L. Vitellio Triario salutem dicit
>
> The system doesn't distinguish between one office and another.
Marcus
> Octavius, who did the programming, is only a volunteer like all of
us
> and as such has done a marvelous job. Just out of curiosity, why
does
> a quaestor need a scriba?
>
> Vale:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Jan 4, 2008 8:13 AM, L. Vitellius Triarius
> <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Lentulus,
> >
> > The link on the Album Civium said the function was available.
Guess
> > we need to get that changed. Sorry, Poplicola...we tried.
> >
> > Vale optime,
> > Triarius
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54583 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Salve Tita Sempronia,

Ti. Sempronia Modesta <mtonge@...> writes:

> I don't normally post here - but I'm curious...
>
> I learned that the first democracy (in Rome) was a failure.
>
> Can anyone tell me how long it lasted? Or know where I can find
> more information on it?

I'd like to know what your source meant by 'first democracy in Rome.'
Just guessing, I'd guess they meant the Republic, and when they say it
failed they mean that it ended with the collapse of the Republic and
the beginning of the Principate when G. Iulius Caesar Octavianus
became the first Emperor.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54584 From: phoebusix Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Hello,

The first democracy is generally known to be the Athenian
democracy. Rome never had a democracy as we understand this word
today, nor as the Athenians would have understood it. The modern,
Western conception of democracy is government for, by, and from the
people, and it has become a universal ideal. Rome, nor Athens, never
had such a conception for their political system.
In Rome, the Republic was dominated mostly by the Senate, i.e. the
patricians, though the popular Tribunes yielded much power in time.
Today, neither the Senate nor any part of government is dominated
exclusively by a particular social class, as was the case in
Republican Rome. There lies the origins of the century of civil war
that ended the Republic. The Gracchii sought to make the Senate less
powerful, which the Senators could obviously not accept. Technically
speaking, the Reublic never died. Octavian Augustus restored the
Republic; he was simply the protector thereof, but the traditional
magistratures of the Republic (consulship, praetorship, Senate, etc)
did not disappear, but continued exercising certain functions, albeit
more and more reduced overtime. If you consider the Republic as only
the REpublican form of government before Augustus, then it lasted
about five centuries, between 510 and 31 B.C.

T. A. Flamininus.




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Mary"<mtonge@...> wrote:
>
>
> I don't normally post here - but I'm curious...
>
> I learned that the first democracy (in Rome) was a failure.
>
> Can anyone tell me how long it lasted? Or know where I can find
more information on it?
>
>
> Pax!
>
> Ti. Sempronia Modesta
> Libraria at Large
>
> _______________________________________________
> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54585 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Sorry democracy is a greek thing, not something the romans were into.




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Mary"<mtonge@...> wrote:
>
>
> I don't normally post here - but I'm curious...
>
> I learned that the first democracy (in Rome) was a failure.
>
> Can anyone tell me how long it lasted? Or know where I can find
more information on it?
>
>
> Pax!
>
> Ti. Sempronia Modesta
> Libraria at Large




>
> _______________________________________________
> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54586 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: History fact ?
C. Aemilius Crassus omnibus SPD,

Considering that since 387 a.u.c (367 BC) at least one of the Consuls had to be a plebeian I don�t think to say that the Senate was the Patricians it is very correct.
I do agree that to call the Roman Republic a Democracy it is stretching a little too far the meaning of the word, both for today and ancient standards.

Di vos incolumes custodiant.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



----- Original Message ----
From: phoebusix <phoebusix@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2008 4:06:36 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: History fact ?


Hello,

The first democracy is generally known to be the Athenian
democracy. Rome never had a democracy as we understand this word
today, nor as the Athenians would have understood it. The modern,
Western conception of democracy is government for, by, and from the
people, and it has become a universal ideal. Rome, nor Athens, never
had such a conception for their political system.
In Rome, the Republic was dominated mostly by the Senate, i.e. the
patricians, though the popular Tribunes yielded much power in time.
Today, neither the Senate nor any part of government is dominated
exclusively by a particular social class, as was the case in
Republican Rome. There lies the origins of the century of civil war
that ended the Republic. The Gracchii sought to make the Senate less
powerful, which the Senators could obviously not accept. Technically
speaking, the Reublic never died. Octavian Augustus restored the
Republic; he was simply the protector thereof, but the traditional
magistratures of the Republic (consulship, praetorship, Senate, etc)
did not disappear, but continued exercising certain functions, albeit
more and more reduced overtime. If you consider the Republic as only
the REpublican form of government before Augustus, then it lasted
about five centuries, between 510 and 31 B.C.

T. A. Flamininus.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Mary"<mtonge@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> I don't normally post here - but I'm curious...
>
> I learned that the first democracy (in Rome) was a failure.
>
> Can anyone tell me how long it lasted? Or know where I can find
more information on it?
>
>
> Pax!
>
> Ti. Sempronia Modesta
> Libraria at Large
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ ________
> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway com
>





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54587 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE OF PRAETOR M. IVLIVS SEVERVS
Ego, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), officio praetoris Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), praetoris officiis muneris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus praetoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
ENGLISH:

I, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Paetor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

ESPAÑOL:

Yo, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), juro solemnemente enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los legítimos intereses del Senado y el Pueblo de Nova Roma.

Como magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades públicas y practicar las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), juro mantener y defender la Religión Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca actuar de manera que pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), juro proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.

Yo, Marcus Iulius Severus (Luis Gutiérrez Esparza), juro además cumplir con las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Praetor, poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.

Por mi honor de ciudadano de Nova Roma, en presencia de los Dioses y Diosas del Pueblo Romano y por su voluntad y favor, acepto la posición de Praetor y todos los derechos, privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades que a ella corresponden.

Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI A.U.C. M. Moravio T. Iulio cos.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54588 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: COMING BACK
Salvete omnes,

I am just coming back from my vacation, and I have amost 800 messages to review. I am trying to cope with all this pending work, but I need some time and your patience...
Happy new year to all Nova Romans!

Valete optime,


M•IVL•SEVERVS
SENATOR
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PRÆTOR•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54589 From: Wade MacMorrighan Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Good afternoon, guys! I am presently researching so-
called "idolatry", or "idol-worship" in cultures around the world,
but particularly (because I need more evidence) cults from the North
[Scandinavia, Germany, etc.]; pagan Rome; Egypt; the "Holy Lands"
[Mesopotamia, the early "pagan" cults of the Islamic world, and the
ancient cultures listed in the Bible, etc. which I cannot think of
off the top of my head]; India [Hinduism]; Asian countries; and
Siberia, etc. Particularly, I am looking into four extent phenominon:

* The concept of "Idol worship", where the statue of the deity is
regarded as it's "vessel"--a "holy of holies", if you will--for
the "spirit" of the Deity coming to earth for His or her
worshippers. (I saw a special a while back where the Ark might have
been associated as such, but I am really fuzzy about it, 'cause it's
been a while, and I cannot recall the evidence for it--so, I'd love
to investigate this, also!)
* The concept where the image is regarded as being "alive"!
* Aniconism
* "Activation rites"--albeit Greece seems to be the exception to this
rule--where the image is seemingly "brought to life" through a ritual
of some kind, and if such rites were extent when an image was
aniconic.

So, I was wondering if anyone, here, might know of any secondary
[scholastic] or primary source material that I would do well to turn
to in my present research? ANy other advice would also be helpful,
of course.

Take Care,
Wade
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54590 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
I know you will hate this BUT do as any good researcher does.
become a JSTOR participant.( look it up GOOGLE is your friend)
I think NR should become a JSTOR participant so we can get this stuff.


from them you can get

Annual Review of Anthropology
Anthropology Today
Harvard Journal of Asiatic Studies
Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and
Ireland
roman Ethnologist/Journal of Philology
British Journal of Middle Eastern Studies
Classical Philology
The Classical Quarterly
The Classical Review
Comparative Studies in Society and History
Cultural Anthropology
Greece & Rome
Harvard Studies in Classical Philology
History and Theory
Journal of Hellenic Studies
Journal of Roman Studies
Journal of the American Oriental Society
Journal of the Royal Geographical Society of London
Sociological Methodology
Sociological Theory
Theory and Society
Transactions of the American Philological Association
World Archaeology
The Harvard Theological History of Religions






-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Wade MacMorrighan" <Wade@...> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon, guys! I am presently researching so-
> called "idolatry", or "idol-worship" in cultures around the world,
> but particularly (because I need more evidence) cults from the North
> [Scandinavia, Germany, etc.]; pagan Rome; Egypt; the "Holy Lands"
> [Mesopotamia, the early "pagan" cults of the Islamic world, and the
> ancient cultures listed in the Bible, etc. which I cannot think of
> off the top of my head]; India [Hinduism]; Asian countries; and
> Siberia, etc. Particularly, I am looking into four extent phenominon:
>
> * The concept of "Idol worship", where the statue of the deity is
> regarded as it's "vessel"--a "holy of holies", if you will--for
> the "spirit" of the Deity coming to earth for His or her
> worshippers. (I saw a special a while back where the Ark might have
> been associated as such, but I am really fuzzy about it, 'cause it's
> been a while, and I cannot recall the evidence for it--so, I'd love
> to investigate this, also!)
> * The concept where the image is regarded as being "alive"!
> * Aniconism
> * "Activation rites"--albeit Greece seems to be the exception to this
> rule--where the image is seemingly "brought to life" through a ritual
> of some kind, and if such rites were extent when an image was
> aniconic.
>
> So, I was wondering if anyone, here, might know of any secondary
> [scholastic] or primary source material that I would do well to turn
> to in my present research? ANy other advice would also be helpful,
> of course.
>
> Take Care,
> Wade
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54591 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: EDICTUM CONSULARE II: DE ACCENSORUM NOMINATIONE.
SALVETE!

Quaestor assignments for 2761 a.U.c :

Quaestrix Equestria Iunia Laeca is assigned to consul M. Moravius
Piscinus Horatianus.
Quaestor Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is assigned to consul T. Iulius
Sabinus.
Quaestor Quintus Fabius Maximus is assigned to praetor M. Curiatius
Complutensis.
Quaestrix Aula Tullia Scholastica is assigned to praetor M. Iulius
Severus.
Quaestor Lucius Vitellius Triarius is assigned to curule aedile
Publius Memmius Albucius.
Quaestor Marca Hortensia Maior is assigned to curule aedile Sex.
Lucilius Tutor.
Quaestor Titus Arminius Genialis is assigned to plebeian aedile P.
Constantinus Placidus.
Quaestor Lucius Salix Cicero is assigned to plebeian aedile F.
Galerius Aurelianus.

This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under my hand this fourth day of January 2761 a.U.c (AD 2008)
in the consulship of M. Moravius and T. Iulius.

T. Iulius Sabinus
Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54592 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: EDICTUM CONSULARE II: DE ASSIGNATIONE QUAESTORUM.
The title of the edict is:

EDICTUM CONSULARE II: DE ASSIGNATIONE QUAESTORUM.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
<iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Quaestor assignments for 2761 a.U.c :
>
> Quaestrix Equestria Iunia Laeca is assigned to consul M. Moravius
> Piscinus Horatianus.
> Quaestor Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is assigned to consul T. Iulius
> Sabinus.
> Quaestor Quintus Fabius Maximus is assigned to praetor M.
Curiatius
> Complutensis.
> Quaestrix Aula Tullia Scholastica is assigned to praetor M. Iulius
> Severus.
> Quaestor Lucius Vitellius Triarius is assigned to curule aedile
> Publius Memmius Albucius.
> Quaestor Marca Hortensia Maior is assigned to curule aedile Sex.
> Lucilius Tutor.
> Quaestor Titus Arminius Genialis is assigned to plebeian aedile P.
> Constantinus Placidus.
> Quaestor Lucius Salix Cicero is assigned to plebeian aedile F.
> Galerius Aurelianus.
>
> This edict takes effect immediately.
>
> Given under my hand this fourth day of January 2761 a.U.c (AD
2008)
> in the consulship of M. Moravius and T. Iulius.
>
> T. Iulius Sabinus
> Consul.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54593 From: charrea68 Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Poem: 'Charrea's Letter to his Brother'
CHARREA'S LETTER TO HIS BROTHER
Santiago del Dardano Turann
San Francisco, CA

The Roman camp in the Teutoberg Forest, German frontier
September 8, 9 AD

Our eagle glitters in the pasty gloom
From gleaning patches of the moon's dead light
Within this forest icy as a tomb
In realms of Orcus, land of ghost stalactites.

Our fires seem to suffocate in fog
No cloth or metal guards us from the moisture
Exhaled by yet another nearby bog
Whose spirit looks upon us with his anger.

My centuria, who are all in fellowship with Mars,
In their rough way will only joke with fear
But whisper prayers to gods and family lars
In voices they would rather that none hear.

Even to me, who's just a raw centurion
Who cannot chirp in Greek or quote a poet
That German's clearly leading us deeper on;
Yet Varus does not seem to see the threat

Nor heed the warnings of that old Cheruscan
That we are chasing wind in these deep woods.
He said, "Arminius is a Roman equestrian
And can be trusted. Leave off your private feuds."

Yet I was told by Priscus that he saw
Arminius and others going from the camp;
Trickling away like water in a spring thaw
Before the dribbling brings down icy clumps.

But do not worry, we all make up three legions
With six cohorts and six alae of cavalry
And we'll sort out these blue-painted barbarians
Then I'll be home to greet your new born baby.

Signed:
Cassius Charrea
Legio XIX, Capricorni
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54594 From: James V Hooper Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
My Dear Mr, MacMorrighan,
Speaking as a practising pagan myself, I believe it
depended a loton the individual customs whether these "idols" where worshiped
in the manner you describe. The household gods called Lares, of which there
was a set in every Roman household, were I think a representative of the image
the dieties in question, not figures to be bowed down to as gods. In Egypt
the people wer not Idol worshpers in reality. while art works in temples and
tombs were to represent the Gods, and Goddesses. there is no evidence that
such images were in fact worshipped anywhere but in a Cecil B DeMille flim. In
Egypt their dieties were living beings. Flesh and blood. The king, or Pharoah
was the living image of Horus on earth, and his queen the living image of Isis
Herself.
I have a statuette fo Isis in my home by why should I address it as her when
it was made by a mortal person. Beside, She does not dwell in that statue, She
dwells in my heart.
Valete bene,
Gaius Pompeius Marcellus


On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:58:39 -0000
"Wade MacMorrighan" <Wade@...> wrote:
> Good afternoon, guys! I am presently researching so-
> called "idolatry", or "idol-worship" in cultures around the world,
> but particularly (because I need more evidence) cults from the North
> [Scandinavia, Germany, etc.]; pagan Rome; Egypt; the "Holy Lands"
> [Mesopotamia, the early "pagan" cults of the Islamic world, and the
> ancient cultures listed in the Bible, etc. which I cannot think of
> off the top of my head]; India [Hinduism]; Asian countries; and
> Siberia, etc. Particularly, I am looking into four extent phenominon:
>
> * The concept of "Idol worship", where the statue of the deity is
> regarded as it's "vessel"--a "holy of holies", if you will--for
> the "spirit" of the Deity coming to earth for His or her
> worshippers. (I saw a special a while back where the Ark might have
> been associated as such, but I am really fuzzy about it, 'cause it's
> been a while, and I cannot recall the evidence for it--so, I'd love
> to investigate this, also!)
> * The concept where the image is regarded as being "alive"!
> * Aniconism
> * "Activation rites"--albeit Greece seems to be the exception to this
> rule--where the image is seemingly "brought to life" through a ritual
> of some kind, and if such rites were extent when an image was
> aniconic.
>
> So, I was wondering if anyone, here, might know of any secondary
> [scholastic] or primary source material that I would do well to turn
> to in my present research? ANy other advice would also be helpful,
> of course.
>
> Take Care,
> Wade
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54595 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Edict on EUROPEAN CONVENTUS 2761 to 2763 auc (2008 to 2010)
Aed. cur. Memmius omnibus Novaromanis s.d.

Please find below my edict 61-02 "on the European conventus for 2761,
2762, and 2763".

Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius


-------------------EDICT n°61-02--------------------------------------

CURULE AEDILE P. Memmius Albucius edict(n° 61-01)
concerning the European conventus 2761, 2762 and 2763
(Edictum aedilis Memmium curulis de Europaeo conventu)


I, Publius Memmius Albucius, aedilis curulis, by the authority vested
by the constitution, the laws and the Senate of Nova Roma, and in
view of the constitution Novae Romae,

Considering the « Pactum de Convento Novae Romae in Europa » 2758
a.u.c. ;

Considering the decision taken by the European governors present in
the Conventus Romae 2758, to propose the common candidacy, for the
yearly European conventus, of Carlisle 2759, Hispania 2760, Dacia
2761 and Gallia 2762 ;

Considering the formal or unformal decisions taken by the previous
curule aediles, specially to declare Dacia and Gallia as the
provinces chosen to organize the European conventus respectively in
2761 and 2762 ;

edict :

Article 1

The res publica confirms its support to the organization of the Nova
Roma European conventus in :
Dacia in 2761 auc :
Gallia in 2762 auc.

Article 2

As recognized and supported by the res publica, the organizing
provinces are allowed, if they wish to, to request from now on, from
the Senate, a financial participation to the expenses of these events.

Article 3

Considering the special conditions of the confirmation last year of
Dacia's designation for this year 2761 a.u.c., provincia Dacia is
authorized, by its governor or every duly appointed delegate, to
delay exceptionally the sending, to the curule aediles, of its
Conventus 2761 organizational file for next 31st March.

Article 4

A further edict will define the dates and the rules, this year, for
the registration of the candidacy files for 2763.

Article 5

Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must, as far
as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be
published in the Tabularium Novae Romae at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Tabularium_%28Nova_Roma%29.


Issued in Cadomagus, civ. Viducassium, Gaul, pridie Nonas Ian.
MMDCCLXI a.u.c. (4 January 2008 c.c.) during the consulate of M.
Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54596 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Edict on EUROPEAN CONVENTUS 2761 to 2763 auc (2008 to 2010)
SALVETE!

Quirites,

This edict of curule aedile Memmius Albucius eliminates bureaucracy and it represents a real step in order to move on, in simple ways, the European international meetings procedures.
Congratulations!

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS


Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

Aed. cur. Memmius omnibus Novaromanis s.d.

Please find below my edict 61-02 "on the European conventus for 2761,
2762, and 2763".

Valete omnes,

P. Memmius Albucius

-------------------EDICT n°61-02--------------------------------------

CURULE AEDILE P. Memmius Albucius edict(n° 61-01)
concerning the European conventus 2761, 2762 and 2763
(Edictum aedilis Memmium curulis de Europaeo conventu)

I, Publius Memmius Albucius, aedilis curulis, by the authority vested
by the constitution, the laws and the Senate of Nova Roma, and in
view of the constitution Novae Romae,

Considering the « Pactum de Convento Novae Romae in Europa » 2758
a.u.c. ;

Considering the decision taken by the European governors present in
the Conventus Romae 2758, to propose the common candidacy, for the
yearly European conventus, of Carlisle 2759, Hispania 2760, Dacia
2761 and Gallia 2762 ;

Considering the formal or unformal decisions taken by the previous
curule aediles, specially to declare Dacia and Gallia as the
provinces chosen to organize the European conventus respectively in
2761 and 2762 ;

edict :

Article 1

The res publica confirms its support to the organization of the Nova
Roma European conventus in :
Dacia in 2761 auc :
Gallia in 2762 auc.

Article 2

As recognized and supported by the res publica, the organizing
provinces are allowed, if they wish to, to request from now on, from
the Senate, a financial participation to the expenses of these events.

Article 3

Considering the special conditions of the confirmation last year of
Dacia's designation for this year 2761 a.u.c., provincia Dacia is
authorized, by its governor or every duly appointed delegate, to
delay exceptionally the sending, to the curule aediles, of its
Conventus 2761 organizational file for next 31st March.

Article 4

A further edict will define the dates and the rules, this year, for
the registration of the candidacy files for 2763.

Article 5

Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must, as far
as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be
published in the Tabularium Novae Romae at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Tabularium_%28Nova_Roma%29.

Issued in Cadomagus, civ. Viducassium, Gaul, pridie Nonas Ian.
MMDCCLXI a.u.c. (4 January 2008 c.c.) during the consulate of M.
Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.






"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54597 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: History fact ?
In a message dated 1/4/2008 5:50:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mtonge@... writes:

Can anyone tell me how long it lasted? Or know where I can find more
information on it?


Rome was never a democracy. It was a republic with Oligarchic component.

It ceased to exist as a republic when Octavius became Augustus 27 BCE and
started the Principate.

Q. Fabius Maximus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54598 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Ugh, it's Wiccan Wade....

-Annia Minucia Marcella

----- Original Message -----
From: Wade MacMorrighan
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Researching "Idol-Worship"


.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54599 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-01-04
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Wade MacMorrighan" <Wade@...> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon, guys! I am presently researching so-
> called "idolatry", or "idol-worship" in cultures around the world,

Salve!

You might find something interesting here:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Numa_tradition

Optime vale in cura deorum

M. Lucretius Agricola
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54600 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Custodes and Diribitors - Emeriti and current
Avete omnes;

Primus: My deep and heartfelt thanks to the Custodes and Diribitors
of the year just passed. Having been a Diribitor twice myself, I know
how tedious this important work can be during the elections. You have
performed a great service to the People and Republic.

Secundus: Would the current Diribitors please write me at
venator(dot)nr(dot)official(at)gmail(dot)com Just send a little hello
message; I'll then send each of you an invitation to the Suffragia
Romana list, which is our working group for the election process.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Custode
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54601 From: qvalerius Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: History fact ?
That really depends on what you mean by "democracy". Ultimately, the
people did vote, thus making it a form of democracy. Remember,
republic merely comes from 'res publica' meaning "the matter (or
state) pertaining to the populace". While it was never as direct as in
Ancient Greece, i.e. the people (male landowners) voted on laws, it
was indirect, so the people voted on the representatives (in the form
of tribunes or consuls) to vote on the laws instead. Much like we do
now, in fact. I don't see the harm in labeling it a "democratic
republic" since they both emphasize two different things.

All the best,

Quintus Valerius Poplicola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 1/4/2008 5:50:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> mtonge@... writes:
>
> Can anyone tell me how long it lasted? Or know where I can find more
> information on it?
>
>
> Rome was never a democracy. It was a republic with Oligarchic
component.
>
> It ceased to exist as a republic when Octavius became Augustus 27
BCE and
> started the Principate.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54602 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: History fact ?
In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:54:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
catullus.poeta@... writes:

republic merely comes from 'res publica' meaning "the matter (or
state) pertaining to the populace"

True, but to say the Romans had a representative democracy is a little much.

Romans were very pragmatic about government and their choices. First their
votes could be bought, second, if certain famous families governed Rome well,
relatives of the original family of then they got the job if they stood for it,
reasoning being if Tiddlepuss did not muck it up too bad, Tiddlepuss Minor
will probably do the same.

The Romans though had several layers of protection for the Roman populace
from oppressive government. So that made it better then most alternatives at the
time.

Polybios goes out of his way to explain how the Roman constitution works, and
way it was superior to the Makedonian kingship, and the Athenian democracy.
But even he admitted it was doomed to fall, and told how and way. And his
prediction 220 years later came to be right.

Q. Fabius Maximus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54603 From: marcus_hirtius_ahenobarbus Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: California Storm
Salve,

I would just like to say that I hope all my brothers and sisters in
Provincia California are well, that their property is secure.

I lost power in my home for most of the night and day, but have it
back now. We recieved some damages but nothing severe. (We lost our
Scottish pine though and our fence will need repairing) There are
still many who have not regained power.

My prayers go out to my fellow citizens of Provincia California and
to all the people of California.

This, on top of the wild fires. It has not been well for us
recently, but things have been much worse here in the past and I
believe they will get better soon.

Vale,

Marcus Hirtius Ahenobarbus


(For those not aware, California was hit with a powerful storm
(125mph winds) that caused damages and has left hundreds of
thousands without power. Luckily, we did not have to much rain nor
damages to the levies. Unfortunately, Northern California has a
problem with its levy system and if things were to go very
wrong...we could have a similiar situation here as was experienced
in Lousiana. Storms such as this only remind me of that situation.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54604 From: Wade MacMorrighan Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
>>>I know you will hate this BUT do as any good researcher does.
become a JSTOR participant.( look it up GOOGLE is your friend) I think
NR should become a JSTOR participant so we can get this stuff.<<<

Yes, I am well-acquainted with JSTOR, however, no library near me has
access to it; so I am only able to glean articles of interest via ILL,
which is fine. However, I've found no references to idol worship and
pagan Rome using either JSTOR *or* Google, I am afraid. That is why I
have asked on this public message board.

Thank you, and take care,
Wade MacMorrighan
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54605 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Edictum Quaestoris L. Vitellius Triarius de Scriba Creatione
Salve Censor,

> Marcus Octavius, who did the programming, is only a volunteer like
> all of us and as such has done a marvelous job.

> I am sure Vitellius has not in mind to question the Titan work done
> by our Gracchus. :-)

LVT: Absolutely not. His astounding contributions allow us all to
connect.

> Just out of curiosity, why does a quaestor need a scriba?

LVT: To read the Constitution to prevent administrative mishaps? ;)

Vale optime,
Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54606 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: California Storm
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hirtio Ahenobarbo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> Salve,
>
> I would just like to say that I hope all my brothers and sisters in
> Provincia California are well, that their property is secure.
>
> I lost power in my home for most of the night and day, but have it
> back now. We recieved some damages but nothing severe. (We lost our
> Scottish pine though and our fence will need repairing) There are
> still many who have not regained power.
>
> My prayers go out to my fellow citizens of Provincia California and
> to all the people of California.
>
> ATS: I¹m sure ours do as well.
>
> This, on top of the wild fires. It has not been well for us
> recently, but things have been much worse here in the past and I
> believe they will get better soon.
>
> Vale,
>
> Marcus Hirtius Ahenobarbus
>
> (For those not aware, California was hit with a powerful storm
> (125mph winds)
>
> ATS: Our best TV meteorologist here (actually has a degree in this) said
> that the winds on the ridges were supposed to be around 200 mph. That is not
> exactly a light breeze. Trees are down all over the place, and when trees are
> down, cars and houses also come down. Hope you and the others are well, and
> weathering this dreadful storm.
>
>
> that caused damages and has left hundreds of
> thousands without power. Luckily, we did not have to much rain nor
> damages to the levies. Unfortunately, Northern California has a
> problem with its levy system and if things were to go very
> wrong...we could have a similiar situation here as was experienced
> in Lousiana. Storms such as this only remind me of that situation.)
>
> ATS: Ah, California! Shake n bake, rock n roll with forest fires,
> mudslides, and just about anything else Poseidon and his buddies can hand out.
> The place is pretty, but so many problems. Hope the levees hold.
>
> Vale, et valete.
>
> Messages in this topic
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/54603;



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54607 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: NONAE IANUARIAE
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Vos quod fexitis, Deos omnes fortunare velim

Hodie est Nonae Ianuariae; haec dies nefastus est: Compitalia

"The rain pelting from black storm clouds will signal the nones, as
Lyra rises." ~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.315-316

"The Compitalia is a day assigned to the Lares Viales (Varro L. L.
6.25)." This was not a feriae stativa, or festival set to a fixed
date. It could occur at any time between Saturnalia (17 Dec.) and
the Nonae Ianuariae (5 Jan.). The Roman civil calendar itself, under
the Republic, was not fixed in the same way as we think of our own
calendar today. It consisted of only 355 days, and thus it had to be
adjusted every so often to realign it into the seasons. But there
was also a rustic calendar, a sidereal calendar that observed the
rising and setting of certain stars. The cycle of stars did not
change over the years, and formed a sort of vernier for the civil
calendar. The praetor set the date for the Compitalia by the
appearance of Vega (Lyra) as it "rose" across the meridian at
sunset. In the late Empire the Compitalia became fixed on 5 January,
or the Nones.

Today Vega would appear on 5 Jan. as a single bright star in the
western sky at dusk and set about four hours later. In Ovid's time
the Romans were using the Julian calendar, which is 13 days behind
the Gregorian calendar that we use today as our civil calendar. That
is, the Nones of the Julian calendar falls on 18 Jan. this year,
which is the date chosen by the Collegium Pontificum to celebrate the
Compitalia.

"I invoke you, Lares Viales, to kindly protect me."
Invoco vos, Lares viales, ut me bene tutetis. ~ Plautus, Mercator 865

"I must not omit too, one portentous fact connected with the hearth,
and famous in Roman history. In the reign of Tarquinius Priscus, it
is said, there appeared upon his hearth a resemblance of the male
generative organ rising amidst the ashes. The captive girl Ocrisia, a
servant of Queen Tanaquil, who happened to be sitting there, arose
from her seat in a state of pregnancy, and became the mother of
Servius Tullius, who eventually succeeded to the throne. It is
stated, too, that while the child was sleeping in the palace, a flame
was seen playing round his head; the consequence of which was, that
it was believed that the Lar of the household was his progenitor. It
was owing to this circumstance, we are informed, that the Compitalia,
games in honour of the Lares, were instituted." ~ Plinius Secundus,
Historia Naturalis 36.70

"Let the pagus keep festival: farmers, purify the pagus,
And offer the yearly cakes on the compitia hearths."
~ Ovid, Fasti 1.665-666

In rural districts, farmers erected common altars where four parcels
of land met at a crossroads. Ovid speaks of neighbors coming
together at such altars for Terminalia and for Paganalia. The
Compitalia was similar in that altars were erected at urban
crossroads, and the festival was intended to purify the City
neighborhood by neighborhood. Originally the City was divided into
curiae, each with their own altar, and each neighborhood led by a
minor magistrate called a curio. In AUC 544 (209 BCE) a controversy
arose in the City when C. Mamilius Atellus, a plebeian, was elected
Magister Curio. Some patricians insisted that his candidacy be
ignored as a plebeian had never before been elected as the chief
curio. The Tribuni Plebis refer the issue to the Senate, which
returned the opinion that the People had the right to elect whomever
they chose (Livy 27.8). The curiones were the lowest magistrates
granted the right to wear and be cremated in a toga praetexta. The
organization of the City into curiae was based on families. It was
aristocratic as the leading family of a district would be made the
curio and thus have political and religious influence over the
district or neighborhood. The City was later reorganized into vici,
a vicus being a street with houses. At the intersection of vici, the
crossroads called a compitum, a sacullum stood for the Lares
compitialis. "(Muta) bore twins who guard the crossroads, the Lares,
who keep watch forever over the City (Ovid, Fasti 2.615)." This
reorganization was thought to go back to the time of Servius Tullius
as yet another method by which he established his rule in the urban
populace as opposed to the rural aristocracy.

In the Late Republic, around each such compitum there was organized a
collegium compitalicium, each headed by a magister vici. The
curiones did not disappear, but they no longer served the same
purpose as leaders of neighborhoods. The new organization based on
the compita included not only plebeians but freedmen and slaves as
well. These magistri vicorum were the ward bosses who became so
important in elections of that period. The Senate disbanded the
collegia compitalicii in AUC 689 (64 BCE) and six years later Clodius
reintroduced them and built his own political machinery in the vici.
Julius Caesar then disbanded these collegia again, and the ludi
compitalicii with them. But later still, as part of his
reorganization of the City, Augustus restored the compita altars,
along with the ludi compitalicii and magistri vicorum who were to
conduct them. Augustus went throughout the City giving each vicus a
pair of Penates; that is, statues of Lares Compitales.

These are the statues of Penates that we have come to know as Lares.
Because Augustus handed them out, they came to be called Lares
Augustales. Through the long reign of peace under Augustus the
Penates of the Imperial house, Lares Augustales, took on aspects of
town Fortunae, or Tyches in the eastern provinces. At first they
appeared bearing a cornucopia in their left arm while pouring a
libation from a patera in their right hand. A somewhat later style
has them with the bottom of their tunics flaring, as though moved by
a wind. It was later still that the most commonly recognized Lares
then appeared, dancing on tip-toes, their tunics flared in motion, as
they carry a platter in one hand and raise a rhython in their other
hand, as seen painted on the walls of Pompeii.


The thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 7.28:

"Retire into thyself. The rational principle which rules has this
nature, that it is content with itself when it does what is just, and
so secures tranquility."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54608 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Wade MacMorrighan" <Wade@...> wrote:
>
> >>>I know you will hate this BUT do as any good researcher does.
> become a JSTOR participant.( look it up GOOGLE is your friend) I think
> NR should become a JSTOR participant so we can get this stuff.<<<
>
> Yes, I am well-acquainted with JSTOR, however, no library near me has
> access to it; so I am only able to glean articles of interest via ILL,
> which is fine. However, I've found no references to idol worship and
> pagan Rome using either JSTOR *or* Google, I am afraid. That is why I
> have asked on this public message board.
>
> Thank you, and take care,
> Wade MacMorrighan
>
well I get over 166,000 hit on google for "idol worship"
I get over 17,000 for "idol worship pagan rome"
32,000 for idol worship pagan greek
15,,000 for "idol worship pagan sorcery mystic cults"

about the other things you ask for info on.
you would need to read up on /talk to some of the people ( like me{ my
e-mail is magewuffa ( at ) gmail (dot ) com })and i am not talking
about how they do it in wicca.not for the kinds of magical operations
you asked about in the letter.
into ceremonial magick,High ritual magick,learn meta-Banishing
rituals,Consecration(as a magical operation),Invocation(Invocation is
the bringing in or identifying with a particular deity)
the old greek Magical formulae for putting a link to a deity into a
idol. etc etc.


Marcus Cornelius Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54609 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Wade MacMorrighan" <Wade@...> wrote:
>
> >>>I know you will hate this BUT do as any good researcher does.
> become a JSTOR participant.( look it up GOOGLE is your friend) I think
> NR should become a JSTOR participant so we can get this stuff.<<<
>
> Yes, I am well-acquainted with JSTOR, however, no library near me has
> access to it; so I am only able to glean articles of interest via ILL,
> which is fine. However, I've found no references to idol worship and
> pagan Rome using either JSTOR *or* Google, I am afraid. That is why I
> have asked on this public message board.
>
> Thank you, and take care,
> Wade MacMorrighan
>
I would go ask in the following usenet groups as there are people
there who know of what you are asking BUT like me would want you to
run thru paying the dues and agreeing to their( orders {golden Dawn )
oaths
within rituals of initiation


alt . magick . order
alt . magick . serious
alt . magick . moderated
alt . magick . chaos
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54610 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Wade MacMorrighan" <Wade@...> wrote:
>
> >>>I know you will hate this BUT do as any good researcher does.
> become a JSTOR participant.( look it up GOOGLE is your friend) I think
> NR should become a JSTOR participant so we can get this stuff.<<<
>
> Yes, I am well-acquainted with JSTOR, however, no library near me has
> access to it; so I am only able to glean articles of interest via ILL,
> which is fine. However, I've found no references to idol worship and
> pagan Rome using either JSTOR *or* Google, I am afraid. That is why I
> have asked on this public message board.
>
> Thank you, and take care,
> Wade MacMorrighan
>
you mite also look into some theurgy and thaumaturgy ritual groups.
get a job but $25,000 of books like I did. I could send you a list.
but as you could not find stuff useing google....
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54611 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Feriae Vicae Potae
Salvete omnes,

in this day we keep "Feriae Vicae Potae" and is interesting that in
the morning I wrote poem about this goddess although I didnt know
that today is this festival.

Gods really live forever!

Sextus Lucilius Tutor
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54612 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Wade MacMorrighan" <Wade@...> wrote:
>
> >>>I know you will hate this BUT do as any good researcher does.
> become a JSTOR participant.( look it up GOOGLE is your friend) I think
> NR should become a JSTOR participant so we can get this stuff.<<<
>
> Yes, I am well-acquainted with JSTOR, however, no library near me has
> access to it; so I am only able to glean articles of interest via ILL,
> which is fine. However, I've found no references to idol worship and
> pagan Rome using either JSTOR *or* Google, I am afraid. That is why I
> have asked on this public message board.
>
> Thank you, and take care,
> Wade MacMorrighan
>
" do your own work"?
get the following books they will give you a starting set of data on
the Meta-magickal opps you were asking about.READ them before coming
back and asking any one, they will give you the links on where to look
next.
Inside a Magical Lodge: Group Ritual in the Western Tradition -
by John Michael Greer

Circles of Power: Ritual Magic in the Western Tradition -
by John Michael Greer


Learning Ritual Magic: Fundamental Theory and Practice for the
Solitary ... -
by John Michael Greer

buy the full set of the
The Equinox ( $500 - $1,500{ for the two big books set or the 15 vol
smaller set[ all the same info]})

also bookfinder.com and powells.com and google advanced search for all
the terms in your letters and my reply and hey you do know how to find
words in books via google yes? or am I so much of a
meta-magick-system/tech/book geek that you have NO CLUE ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54613 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Fw: The Morrighan Speaks...
Salvete Omnes!

I found this in my e-mail this morning. I had deleted it without reading it
at first, cause I know the kind of crap this guy likes to send people, but I
wanted you all to know what kind of person this guy is.

So enjoy!

Valete,

Annia Minucia Marcella

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wade MacMorrighan" <Wade@...>
To: "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:38 AM
Subject: The Morrighan Speaks...


Who in the world do you *think* you are to make such a lothesom, and
disparaging remark that is absolutely inappropriate in polite
society? It was not, in any way, germane to the thread and discussion
presently underway. But, that's the problem with the Internet, I fear-
-it has given every playagan out there a big mouth (a famous
philosopher once said, "empty vessels make the most noise") and a set
if imaginary balls--most of these people would never dream of saying
to an individuals face what theya re saying rather covertly on-line!
The one lesson such boys and girls need to remember is the important
maxim, "Speak little, and listen much"-- in other words, they need to
shut their damned mouths when it's clearly inappropriate and to
practice self-auditing of their behaviour and words. (Quite sage
advise, if you'd like my opinion on the matter, considering that I
have been a Pagan for far longer than yourself, and am far older than
you.) Such individuals recieve no sympathy from me, and I am quick to
castigate them by advising them to go back playing with their toys and
trinkets, and to leave real Paganism and Witchcraft to the authentic
clergy who serve the Old Gods!

Sincerely,
Wade MacMorrighan, Priest of An Morrigan, Copyright 2008
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54614 From: Paolo Eutimo Cristiano Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: FELICEM NOVUM ANNUM
I WISH YOU FANTASTIC 2008 YEAR OF BEST THINGS ONLY ..
REAL ROMAN ARE YOU ....THANKS!!!
Thanks for everything you did, you doing and you will do...
Paolo Scipio Eutimo Mater Deorum sequitor
a big hug to you all
Valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54615 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: California Storm
Salve Ahenobarbe,

Thanks for letting us know you're OK. My condolences on the loss of
your tree and the damage to your fence.

Vale,


CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

marcus_hirtius_ahenobarbus <marcushirtiusahenobarbus@...> writes:
[about storm damage in California]
> Salve,
>
> I would just like to say that I hope all my brothers and sisters in
> Provincia California are well, that their property is secure.
> [snipped]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54616 From: sstevemoore Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Feriae Vicae Potae
Salvete, omnes.

As Lucilius pointed out, today is the feria of the goddess Vica Pota.
This day holds special significance for my gens, because (Livy tells
us) the temple of Vica Pota was built at the foot of the Velia where
the founder of my gens built his home. That founder was the great
consul Publius Valerius, who earned the cognomen Publicola for the
love he bore to the people of Rome.

Livy relates (ii.7), "After [Brutus was killed in battle] the
surviving consul, who had been in such favour with the multitude,
found himself--such is its fickleness--not only unpopular but an
object of suspicion, and that of a very grave character. It was
rumoured that he was aiming at monarchy, for he had held no election
to fill Brutus' place, and he was building a house on the top of the
Velia, an impregnable fortress was being constructed on that high and
strong position. The consul felt hurt at finding these rumours so
widely believed, and summoned the people to an assembly. As he entered
the fasces were lowered, to the great delight of the multitude, who
understood that it was to them that they were lowered as an open
avowal that the dignity and might of the people were greater than
those of the consul. Then, after securing silence, he began to
eulogise the good fortune of his colleague who had met his death, as a
liberator of his country, possessing the highest honour it could
bestow, fighting for the commonwealth, whilst his glory was as yet
undimmed by jealousy and distrust. Whereas he himself had outlived his
glory and fallen on days of suspicion and opprobrium; from being a
liberator of his country he had sunk to the level of the Aquilii and
Vitellii. `Will you,' he cried, `never deem any man's merit so assured
that it cannot be tainted by suspicion? Am I, the most determined foe
to kings, to dread the suspicion of desiring to be one myself? Even if
I were dwelling in the Citadel on the Capitol, am I to believe it
possible that I should be feared by my fellow-citizens? Does my
reputation amongst you hang on so slight a thread? Does your
confidence rest upon such a weak foundation that it is of greater
moment where I am than who I am? The house of Publius Valerius shall
be no check upon your freedom, your Velia shall be safe. I will not
only move my house to level ground, but I will move it to the bottom
of the hill that you may dwell above the citizen whom you suspect. Let
those dwell on the Velia who are regarded as truer friends of liberty
than Publius Valerius.' All the materials were forthwith carried below
the Velia and his house was built at the very bottom of the hill where
now stands the temple of Vica Pota."

May Vica Pota grant victory and strength to the Roman people and to
the gens Valeria!

Valete,
M. Valerius Potitus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54617 From: liviacases Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Researching "Idol-Worship"
Salvete quirites,
this is the single most sensible proposal I've heard this year. I was
frustrated many times when finding from Google searches that the
information I needed was in JSTOR, but having no access to it.
Does any of the academics on this list know how to become a
participant in JSTOR? it would be great if assidui were able to access
it with the Album Civium login information.
Valete,
L. Livia Plauta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54618 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Fw: The Morrighan Speaks...
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@...>
wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes!
>
> I found this in my e-mail this morning. I had deleted it without
reading it
> at first, cause I know the kind of crap this guy likes to send
people, but I
> wanted you all to know what kind of person this guy is.
>
> So enjoy!
>
> Valete,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella

Dear lady this wiccan Wade is the kind people that I made my RaNT on
the NR backally about.

I got a lot of into when i used google book search about all the stuff
he wanted info on, in 5 min.Mind you it takes years to get the ritual
stills needed to do what is wants and all most no one theachs that
still set other then the magickal orders like the G.: D.: and and
others of that kind. the kind of magickal Opps in wicca is not up to
the levels needed for what he asked. I know people / orders/temples
groups that have done what he wants
but it takes on the order of doing ritaul for years each and every day
for like 2 hours ( year one is the same set of 7 ritual over and over
again for one to two year each day and night till you can bring up the
wards with just one hand in 6 sec. ( I can do it I theach this stuff
but it does take years of work ever day) and that just to start

Marcus Cornelius Felix .:7=4







>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wade MacMorrighan" <Wade@...>
> To: "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@...>
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:38 AM
> Subject: The Morrighan Speaks...
>
>
> Who in the world do you *think* you are to make such a lothesom, and
> disparaging remark that is absolutely inappropriate in polite
> society? It was not, in any way, germane to the thread and discussion
> presently underway. But, that's the problem with the Internet, I fear-
> -it has given every playagan out there a big mouth (a famous
> philosopher once said, "empty vessels make the most noise") and a set
> if imaginary balls--most of these people would never dream of saying
> to an individuals face what theya re saying rather covertly on-line!
> The one lesson such boys and girls need to remember is the important
> maxim, "Speak little, and listen much"-- in other words, they need to
> shut their damned mouths when it's clearly inappropriate and to
> practice self-auditing of their behaviour and words. (Quite sage
> advise, if you'd like my opinion on the matter, considering that I
> have been a Pagan for far longer than yourself, and am far older than
> you.) Such individuals recieve no sympathy from me, and I am quick to
> castigate them by advising them to go back playing with their toys and
> trinkets, and to leave real Paganism and Witchcraft to the authentic
> clergy who serve the Old Gods!
>
> Sincerely,
> Wade MacMorrighan, Priest of An Morrigan, Copyright 2008
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54619 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: California Storm
Salve!:
thanks for this bit of news, as Latin CNN seems completely devoted to the incoming Presidential elections.
We are quite aware though of all the problems California is currently suffering due to its faulty Power Grid, as our own has been shaped into the same model (no need to make any additional comment). I'm well aware of all the additional damage caused on groceries stores, supermarkets, pharmacies and so on by these extended power failures.
Let's hope everything will be solved in no time, with the minimal property and resources loss.
Vale bene.
Gaia Iulia Agrippa.

----- Original Message -----
From: "marcus_hirtius_ahenobarbus" <marcushirtiusahenobarbus@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:51 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] California Storm


> Salve,
>
> I would just like to say that I hope all my brothers and sisters in
> Provincia California are well, that their property is secure.
>
> I lost power in my home for most of the night and day, but have it
> back now. We recieved some damages but nothing severe. (We lost our
> Scottish pine though and our fence will need repairing) There are
> still many who have not regained power.
>
> My prayers go out to my fellow citizens of Provincia California and
> to all the people of California.
>
> This, on top of the wild fires. It has not been well for us
> recently, but things have been much worse here in the past and I
> believe they will get better soon.
>
> Vale,
>
> Marcus Hirtius Ahenobarbus
>
>
> (For those not aware, California was hit with a powerful storm
> (125mph winds) that caused damages and has left hundreds of
> thousands without power. Luckily, we did not have to much rain nor
> damages to the levies. Unfortunately, Northern California has a
> problem with its levy system and if things were to go very
> wrong...we could have a similiar situation here as was experienced
> in Lousiana. Storms such as this only remind me of that situation.)
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 05/01/08 11:46 a.m.
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>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54620 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: OT: The Morrighan Speaks... was "Idol-worshipping"
Salvete!:
I was most surprised when following this rather strange thread.
I can understand this Wade person's confusion, although I don't quite understand the relationship between "idol worshipping" and Golden Dawn's teachings.
While their teachings might include some aspects of Ceremonial Magic, as described by John Dee (mainly his Enochian Magic texts, through Mathers' revision), The Lemegeton, Tritemius' "The art of Drawing Spirits into Crystals", Agrippa's "Of Occult Philosophy", Eliphas Levy, and others... well, in 2002 (BEFORE the United Confederation of Independent Temples disappeared in 2003) Jean-Pascal Ruggiu, current Imperator at Temple # 7 Ahathöor, in Paris, expressed (or rather, Magister Pianco):
"The Ordo Rosae Rubea et Aurea Crucis (RR+AC)® was founded by Samuel Liddel MacGregor Mathers (1854-1918) and William Wynn Westcott (1848-1925) in 1893 as the inner order of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (1888). The true affiliation of this order lies hidden behind the blind of a "mythical" origin story involving Anna Sprengel and a Temple No. 1, Licht, Liebe, Leben (LLL). The RR+AC originally additionally received an important esoteric transmission from the Order of the Asiatic Brethren through the Lodge Zur Goldenen Morgenröthe in Frankfurt am Main.
The RR+AC today is the Inner College of the United Confederation of Independent and Autonomous Temples of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. The RR+AC enjoys the unique distinction of being the only modern Rosicrucian order that studies, teaches, and also practices every esoteric aspect of the historical Rosicrucian traditon (alchemy, theurgy, astrology, *gnosticism*, *qabalah*, hermeticism, and *esoteric Christianity*).
The RR+AC suffered tremendous damage in 1937 when Israel Regardie, a former member of the order, treacherously published its secret teachings and practices. The order was nearly destroyed. To remedy this situation the RR+AC proclaimed a general reformation of the order in 1999 according to old Rosicrucian rules (the same ones used by the Fraternitas Aureae et Rosae Crucis during the general reformation of 1777). All material that had been revealed through publication was moved to the Outer Order and a new secret curriculum and esoteric corpus was prepared for the RR+AC. This new curriculum derives entirely from secret teachings and practices of pre-Golden Dawn Rosicrucian bodies and includes all aspects of the legitimate, historical Rosicrucian tradition. That is to say the study, teaching, and practice of alchemy, theurgy, astrology, gnosticism, qabalah, hermeticism, and *esoteric Christianity*.
In preparing this new curriculum, the RR+AC relied heavily on its extensive collection of archival documents from all of the major pre-Golden Dawn Rosicrucian orders and societies. These include the complete initiation rituals, grade instructions, esoteric teachings, and secret alchemical instructions of the Gold und Rosenkreutz Orden (Fraternitas Aureae et Rosae Crucis), the Order of the Asiatic Brethren, the Societas Rosicruciana of Backstrom, and Les Freres Aînés de la Rose+Croix (The Elder Brothers of the Rose+Croix) FAR+C."
As anybody can see, an organization mostly dedicated to Qabalah studies, as well as esoteric Christianty would seldom dedicate itself to "idol woshipping". It is true that Egyptian Deities are used as "channels" during some specific rituals (including initiation rituals), and that poet Yeats' influence incorporated a great deal of Celtic traditions into their Samhain as well as Solstice/Equinox rituals... but that was it.
Even Nordic Ceremonial Magic Order of DragonRouge uses Qliphotic Qabalah, mostly, for its ritual. So... while I've found a great deal of self-organised groups which make a mix and match of Paganism and Ceremonial Magic (including groups at Oxford, and other Brit universities), I cannot see any relationship between one and the other.
Valete!.
Gaia Iulia Agrippa.

----- Original Message -----
From: "vallenporter" <vallenporter@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:42 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fw: The Morrighan Speaks...



> I got a lot of into when i used google book search about all the stuff he wanted info on, in 5 min.Mind you it takes years to get the ritual stills needed to do what is wants and all most no one theachs that still set other then the magickal orders like the G.: D.: and and others of that kind. the kind of magickal Opps in wicca is not up to the levels needed for what he asked. I know people / orders/temples groups that have done what he wants but it takes on the order of doing ritaul for years each and every day for like 2 hours ( year one is the same set of 7 ritual over and over again for one to two year each day and night till you can bring up the wards with just one hand in 6 sec. ( I can do it I theach this stuff but it does take years of work ever day) and that just to start.
>
> Marcus Cornelius Felix .:7=4



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54621 From: os390account Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: OT: The Morrighan Speaks... was "Idol-worshipping"
Salvete!

When I first saw this thread, I simply thought it was a person trying
to inquire as to whether ancient Romans saw idols as a part of the
divine-made-incarnate, and thus could respond as a personal object of
veneration; OR if they viewed them as metaphorical representations and
foci/channels to the gods (as aspects or in toto) of prayful intent.

I mean, wasn't that the question, because the follow-up looked like a
Monty Python sketch gone awry:

- "Ummm...Did Romans like chocolate or vanilla?"
- "What?! You ignorant cloaca! Chocolate?! VANILLA?! Burn him!!!!"

Thoughts?
Valete,
Q. Valerius Callidus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54622 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift of the Vitellii to the Res Publica
Salve Quaestor L. Vitelius Triarius!

During the last days of last year i found your
"Mons Aventinus Project", it had been there right
under my eyes, but the many OT messages fooled me
to miss this beautiful idea. I want to send You
my late, but never the less, warm thanks for
getting such a wonderful project going.

I admit that this project mostly appeal to my
nostalgic side. When I was Consul I visited
Italia and the European Conventus in Bologna,
after the Conventus Senatores Caius Curius
Saturninus, Emilia Curia Finnica, Legatus Gallus
Minicius Iovinus and I went to stay in Roma
Aeterna for twelve days. I have always felt s a
Roman and felt a deep connection to the Roman
culture and history, but when I first entered
Roma Aeterna it was love at first sight. We spent
many days on the Forum Romanum, the Palatine and
the Capitoline, is was an enchanting experience.
I felt a very special attraction to the Palatine
and I got a dream which included me living in a
villa on the side viewing somewhere close to the
Fons Juturna.

I always long to my "homecity", so when I found
this project I immediately occupied a villa,
situated on the south side of the Clivus
Victoriae on the Palatine Hill, opposite to the
stairs crossing Via Nova and ending close to to
Fons Juturna. This is as far as I can see very
near the site of my dreams. The Gods smiled
doubly as I found that my closest neighbor was my
filius Censor Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus and his
wonderful wife Gaia Octavia Oceana. I found a
wonderful virtual villa where I may dream that I
at last made my dream come true, thanks to You.

I am not sure how to use this as I am inclined to
RL project in Nova Roma. Anyhow dear L. Vitelius
Triarius I have to thank You for this initiative
and for giving me the chance to live at the place
of my dreams, at least in my fantasy. ;-) A warm
thanks and a late Happy New Year!

Also a late Happy New Year to Senatores Caius
Curius Saturninus, Emilia Curia Finnica, Legatus
Gallus Minicius Iovinus and my Italian friends
Consularis Franciscus Apulus and Praetorius
Marcus Julius Perusianus! I hope we can meet
again in Italia and Roma after the Conventus in
Thule.

>Salvete omnes,
>
>Io Saturnalia!
>
>I decided to build a virtual community, where everyone in Nova Roma
>could have a home page, edit the content as they wished at will,
>where people could find resources in the various communities "where
>they would have been," could simply learn the layout of ancient
>Roma, and provide cives with an alternative to the Main List for
>something to do.

................

>The Mons Aventinus Project is an open, living resource for citizens
>of Nova Roma to modify and update as they need or see fit. It is
>meant to be used by citizens to provide specific information to the
>rest of the Res Publica, where they cannot necessarily do that on
>the Main Wiki site.

................

>You can pick from the following communities to reside in: Aventine,
>Caelian, Campus Martius, Capitoline (Restricted—See Community Page),
>Esquiline, Palatine, Quirinal, Trans Tiberim, or Viminal.

...........

>The address to the site is:
>
>http://monsaventinus.wikia.com
>
>
>Again, Io Saturnalia!!!
>
>Valete optime,
>Triarius
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>L•VITELLIVS•TRIARIVS
>aka/ Chip Hatcher (Knoxville, Tennessee, USA)
>Praefectus Regio Tennessee, Provincia America Austrorientalis
>Dominus factionis, Factio Veneta (the Blues Charioteers)
>Quaestor Designatus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54623 From: Juan A. Garcia-Fuertes Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: Re: History fact ?
Salve

Res publica actually refers to public matters or "of the people", contrary
to <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Res_privata&action=edit> res
privata, or the private matters of the society. It is true it that the Roman
Res Publica - or the first ever Republic - was not a democracy. At least not
in the simplistic sense of the Greeks - or should they be called Danai (as
in Virgil's: timeo danao et donas ferentes) - where the simple majority
selected through colored pebbles in a container won the issue whether to
elect a political leader or throw him out (such as Pericles). The Roman
Republic actually was, as in its American form, more complicated and
perfect: minority rights are better respected, through principles such as
the separation of powers, and rules such as the executive veto power -
tribunes of the people then -, the presumption of innocence - and the need
for jury trials - among other principles. Although complex it lasted in its
various forms for almost 1000 years (509 BC-475AD) and gave way to the
European (Justinian Code) and American and English (Common Law). It actually
was created before Greek Democracy - which lasted for less than a century
even adding the different periods. The Roman Republic actually added later
some direct representation features when Plebiscites were introduced by the
Lex Hortensia in 287 BC.

Oh, and I believe Polybius was referring to the general concept of
"anacyclosis" or political cycle of society not about the doom of the
Republic by itself. For its fall we have to look at the Christian emperors.
He was an admirer of the Roman Res Publica and in particular, the separation
of powers, as he was admired for it - and imitated - from Cicero to
Montesquieu, to our Founding Fathers. The remaining question is why call the
Res Publica or Republic a Democracy? Its name should be sufficient.



Vale

Gaius Sertorius Baeticus











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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54624 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-05
Subject: a. d. VIII Eidus Ianuariae: Pyrrhus and Kore
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Di vos salvam et servatam volunt

Hodie est ante diem VIII Eidus Ianuariae; haec dies fastus aterque
est:

Coming the day after the Nones, today is a dies ater:

"Verrius Flaccus, in the fourth book of his work De Verborum
Significatu writes that the days immediately following the Kalends,
Nones, and Ides, which the vulgar ignorantly declare to be nefastus,
are properly called and considered ill-omened ... The pontifices
decreed that no sacrifice would properly be made on those days." ~
Gellius, Noctium Atticarum 5.17.1- 2


Nocturnal rites for Kore (Proserpina) held.

"The ritual performed at the pit hard by [at Argos] they say was
instituted by Nikostratos, a native. Even at the present day they
throw into the pit burning torches in honour of Kore who is daughter
of Demeter." ~ Pausanias 2.22.3

"Demeter, Goddess of abundance, Thou dost manifest Thyself both to
the people of Sikelia and to the sons of Erekhtheus [the Athenians],
but this among the dwellers in Hermione is judged a mighty feat: the
bull of surpassing size from a herd, which not even ten men can
master, this bull an aged woman, coming by herself, leads by the ear
alone to this altar, and he follows as a child after its mother.
Thine, even Thine, Demeter, is the power. Show us Thy favour and
grant that every farm in Hermione may thrive exceedingly." ~ Aelian,
On Animals 11.4


AUC 473 / 280 BCE: "King Pyrrhus of the Epirotes came to Italy to
support the Tarentines."

"Consul [Publius] Valerius Lavinius unsuccessfully fought against
Pyrrhus, especially because the soldiers were not used to the
elephants and were terrified. After the battle, Pyrrhus inspected
the bodies of the Romans that had fallen during the fight and noticed
that they were all directed against their enemy. Pillaging the
country, he proceeded to the city of Rome. The Senate sent Gaius
Fabricius to Pyrrhus to negotiate the return of the prisoners-of-war.
In vain, the king tried to persuade him to abandon his country. The
prisoners were released without payment. Pyrrhus' deputy Cineas was
sent to the Senate to organize the king's entrance into the city to
negotiate a peace treaty. It was decided to discuss this matter with
all senators, but Appius Claudius (who had not visited the
deliberations for a long time because he suffered from an eye
disease) came to the Senate and persuaded the senators with his
speech not to give up."

"Gnaeus Domitius, the first plebeian censor, celebrated the lustrum
ceremony. 287,222 citizens were registered. For the second time,
the Romans fought unsuccessfully against Pyrrhus (AUC 474 / 279 BCE)."

"When consul Gaius Fabricius heard from someone who had fled from
Pyrrhus, that he could poison the king, he sent him back to the king
with a report of what he had done. Pyrrhus went to Sicily (AUC 475 /
278 BCE)." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 12.6 – 14.1

AUC 478 / 275 BCE: Pyrrhus returns to Italy

"There were many portents, and the statue of the Capitoline Jupiter
was struck down by lightning. Its head was found by the seers. When
consul Curius Dentatus was recruiting an army, he sold the
possessions of a man who had not appeared. He defeated Pyrrhus, who
had returned, and expelled him from Italy. Censor Fabricius removed
former consul Publius Cornelius Rufinus from the Senate because he
owned more than ten pounds of silverware. The censors celebrated the
ritual cleansing [lustratio] of the state after 271,224 citizens had
been registered." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 14.2-5

AUC 481 / 272 BCE: Death of Pyrrhus at Argos

"[The historic Makedonian general] Pyrrhos was wounded in the head
[in an attack on the city of Argos]. It is said that his death was
caused by a blow from a tile thrown by a woman. The Argives however
declare that it was not a woman who killed him but Demeter in the
likeness of a woman. This is what the Argives themselves relate about
his end, and Lykeas, the guide for the neighborhood, has written a
poem which confirms the story. They have a sanctuary of Demeter,
built at the command of the oracle, on the spot where Pyrrhos died,
and in it Pyrrhos is buried." ~ Pausanias 1.13.8

"The bones of [the historical Makedonian general] Pyrrhos lie in the
sanctuary of Demeter [in the city of Argos], beside which, as I have
shown in my account of Attika, his death occurred. At the entrance to
this sanctuary of Demeter you can see a bronze shield of Pyrrhos
hanging dedicated over the door." ~ Pausanias 2.21.4


Our thought for today is an Epicurian poem by Horace, titled "Carpe
Diem":

Ask not - we cannot know - for you, for me,
What end the Gods have set, Leuconoë,
Nor attempt the Babylonian reckonings.
How much better to endure whatever comes,
Whether additional winters Jupiter grants us
Or whether this is our last, upon the barrier of the cliffs
Which now wears out the Tuscan Sea!
Be wise, strain the wine; and since life is brief,
prune back far-reaching hopes!
Even while we speak, envious time has passed:
Sieze the day, putting as little trust as possible in tomorrow!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54625 From: Quintus Suetonius Paulinus (Michael Kelly Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: Fw: The Morrighan Speaks...
Salve Anna Municia,

It sounds like a movie I saw about two Arab brothers be brought into
conflict with each other because of a troublesome meddling woman
playing on brother off against another. Finally one says to her:

"Woman, you have the tongue of a serpent! Keep it wagging and I'll
cut it out!"

Vale bene

QSP






--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella"
<annia@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes!
>
> I found this in my e-mail this morning. I had deleted it without
reading it
> at first, cause I know the kind of crap this guy likes to send
people, but I
> wanted you all to know what kind of person this guy is.
>
> So enjoy!
>
> Valete,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wade MacMorrighan" <Wade@...>
> To: "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@...>
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:38 AM
> Subject: The Morrighan Speaks...
>
>
> Who in the world do you *think* you are to make such a lothesom, and
> disparaging remark that is absolutely inappropriate in polite
> society? It was not, in any way, germane to the thread and
discussion
> presently underway. But, that's the problem with the Internet, I
fear-
> -it has given every playagan out there a big mouth (a famous
> philosopher once said, "empty vessels make the most noise") and a
set
> if imaginary balls--most of these people would never dream of saying
> to an individuals face what theya re saying rather covertly on-line!
> The one lesson such boys and girls need to remember is the important
> maxim, "Speak little, and listen much"-- in other words, they need
to
> shut their damned mouths when it's clearly inappropriate and to
> practice self-auditing of their behaviour and words. (Quite sage
> advise, if you'd like my opinion on the matter, considering that I
> have been a Pagan for far longer than yourself, and am far older
than
> you.) Such individuals recieve no sympathy from me, and I am quick
to
> castigate them by advising them to go back playing with their toys
and
> trinkets, and to leave real Paganism and Witchcraft to the authentic
> clergy who serve the Old Gods!
>
> Sincerely,
> Wade MacMorrighan, Priest of An Morrigan, Copyright 2008
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54626 From: Sextus Lucilius Tutor Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: the last deification emperor of Rome
Salvete omnes!

I have a question. When was the last deification emperor of Rome ?

Thank you

Valete
Tutor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54627 From: marcus_hirtius_ahenobarbus Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: California Storm
Salve,

"My condolences on the loss of
> your tree"

Thank you. I liked that tree very much, and it had just reached
maturity. It was going to be quite a fine tree....tragically struck
down by powerful wind, with the help of prime California loam. (our
soil in the valley is a bit loose for a tree with such shallow roots)

Vale,

M. Hirtius Ahenobarbus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Ahenobarbe,
>
> Thanks for letting us know you're OK. My condolences on the loss
of
> your tree and the damage to your fence.
>
> Vale,
>
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
> marcus_hirtius_ahenobarbus <marcushirtiusahenobarbus@...> writes:
> [about storm damage in California]
> > Salve,
> >
> > I would just like to say that I hope all my brothers and
sisters in
> > Provincia California are well, that their property is secure.
> > [snipped]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54628 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift of the Vitellii to the Res Publica
L. Vitellius C. Fabio SPD

It is a personal honor for me to receive your approval of the
project. I hope everyone finds a home on one of the hills or on the
plains along the Tiber. How do you use it? You could use it as a
blog to share your thoughts on ancient Roma, your favorite
experiences in NR, and your expectations of the future. Surely, your
wisdom, guidance and experiences will better lead us all down the
path of the future.

Again, thank you for your approval and may you and your familia have
a belated Happy New Year and a wonderful year to come!

Vale optime,
Triarius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
<christer.edling@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Quaestor L. Vitelius Triarius!
>
> During the last days of last year i found your
> "Mons Aventinus Project", it had been there right
> under my eyes, but the many OT messages fooled me
> to miss this beautiful idea. I want to send You
> my late, but never the less, warm thanks for
> getting such a wonderful project going.
>
> I admit that this project mostly appeal to my
> nostalgic side. When I was Consul I visited
> Italia and the European Conventus in Bologna,
> after the Conventus Senatores Caius Curius
> Saturninus, Emilia Curia Finnica, Legatus Gallus
> Minicius Iovinus and I went to stay in Roma
> Aeterna for twelve days. I have always felt s a
> Roman and felt a deep connection to the Roman
> culture and history, but when I first entered
> Roma Aeterna it was love at first sight. We spent
> many days on the Forum Romanum, the Palatine and
> the Capitoline, is was an enchanting experience.
> I felt a very special attraction to the Palatine
> and I got a dream which included me living in a
> villa on the side viewing somewhere close to the
> Fons Juturna.
>
> I always long to my "homecity", so when I found
> this project I immediately occupied a villa,
> situated on the south side of the Clivus
> Victoriae on the Palatine Hill, opposite to the
> stairs crossing Via Nova and ending close to to
> Fons Juturna. This is as far as I can see very
> near the site of my dreams. The Gods smiled
> doubly as I found that my closest neighbor was my
> filius Censor Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus and his
> wonderful wife Gaia Octavia Oceana. I found a
> wonderful virtual villa where I may dream that I
> at last made my dream come true, thanks to You.
>
> I am not sure how to use this as I am inclined to
> RL project in Nova Roma. Anyhow dear L. Vitelius
> Triarius I have to thank You for this initiative
> and for giving me the chance to live at the place
> of my dreams, at least in my fantasy. ;-) A warm
> thanks and a late Happy New Year!
>
> Also a late Happy New Year to Senatores Caius
> Curius Saturninus, Emilia Curia Finnica, Legatus
> Gallus Minicius Iovinus and my Italian friends
> Consularis Franciscus Apulus and Praetorius
> Marcus Julius Perusianus! I hope we can meet
> again in Italia and Roma after the Conventus in
> Thule.
>
> >Salvete omnes,
> >
> >Io Saturnalia!
> >
> >I decided to build a virtual community, where everyone in Nova Roma
> >could have a home page, edit the content as they wished at will,
> >where people could find resources in the various communities "where
> >they would have been," could simply learn the layout of ancient
> >Roma, and provide cives with an alternative to the Main List for
> >something to do.
>
> ................
>
> >The Mons Aventinus Project is an open, living resource for citizens
> >of Nova Roma to modify and update as they need or see fit. It is
> >meant to be used by citizens to provide specific information to the
> >rest of the Res Publica, where they cannot necessarily do that on
> >the Main Wiki site.
>
> ................
>
> >You can pick from the following communities to reside in: Aventine,
> >Caelian, Campus Martius, Capitoline (Restricted—See Community
Page),
> >Esquiline, Palatine, Quirinal, Trans Tiberim, or Viminal.
>
> ...........
>
> >The address to the site is:
> >
> >http://monsaventinus.wikia.com
> >
> >
> >Again, Io Saturnalia!!!
> >
> >Valete optime,
> >Triarius
> >
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >L•VITELLIVS•TRIARIVS
> >aka/ Chip Hatcher (Knoxville, Tennessee, USA)
> >Praefectus Regio Tennessee, Provincia America Austrorientalis
> >Dominus factionis, Factio Veneta (the Blues Charioteers)
> >Quaestor Designatus
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
>
> Princeps Senatus
> Civis Romanus sum
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54629 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Il tunnel segreto di Augusto
http://tv.repubblica.it/home_page.php?playmode=gallery&cont_id=157

Secondo Svetonio fu qui che venne ucciso Caligola
Il passaggio sotto la casa dell'imperatore
Il tunnel segreto di Augusto
Con gli archeologi nel Palatino
di CARLO ALBERTO BUCCI



Del togato, che giace ancora accanto al cumulo di terra che l'ha sepolto, si spera di ritrovare almeno la testa. Mentre è certo che proprio tra uno di questi criptoportici scavati nelle viscere del Palatino trovò la morte per mano dei suoi pretoriano Caligola il 14 gennaio del 41 d. C. Bellezza e ferocia, storia e archeologia, architettura e natura, si sovrappongono nel cuore della Città eterna. Ci siamo calati nel buco nel terreno che scende a nove metri sotto gli "Horti" che i Farnese nel XVI secolo fecero costruire spianando le rovine della dimora di Tiberio e riempiendo di terra i criptoportici che collegavano le case di d'Augusto con il Foro romano: i passaggi segreti - architetture tanto semplici quanto utili, imponenti, spartane - del palazzo degli imperatori.

Il soprintendente Angelo Bottini scende per la prima volta a vedere lo scavo che, iniziato a settembre e diretto dall'archeologa Maria Antonietta Tomei, sta rapidamente liberando dalle tonnellate di terra il tunnel che corre parallelo al criptoportico di Nerone. Ma svuotati dai detriti sono anche i passaggi laterali che, di volta in volta, gli operai dell'azienda "Consorzio Italia" trovano scendendo fino al pavimento, a cinque metri dalla chiave di volta. E in uno di questi anfratti - tra le volte che minacciano di crollare sotto la spinta delle radici degli alberi, giunte a scardinare fin quaggiù mattoni e malta - la terra usata come riempitivo ha restituito la statua acefala di un membro dell'élite imperale che volle farsi rappresentare bello come un dio greco. E la cui foto il 10 dicembre è stata mostrata durante la conferenza stampa per la riapertura (il 2 marzo prossimo) della Domus d'Augusto.


Bottini si piega per analizzare la statua. "Guardi soprintendente, ci sono ampie tracce di rosso sul appanneggio" sottolinea la Tomei liberando il vestito dalla polvere. "Già, anche la scultura nell'arte romana risplendeva di "rosso pompeiano"". Accanto al corpo, gli archeologi i primi di dicembre hanno trovato anche tre ali di marmo, "la suggestione è che appartengano alle Nike che fungevano da acroteri sul tempio della Vittoria". Verrebbe voglia di togliere la terra oltre il collo mozzo del togato, e cercare le altri parti di queste o di altre meravigliose statue. "Non si può "sgrottare", rischiamo di fare la fine dei topi", avverte la Tomei: "Lo scavo deve essere stratigrafico, partire dall'alto".
E si sporge nel buio della caverna creata dal crollo del criptoportico "che la mancanza di tegole bipedali ci permette di datare a una fase pre neroniana, forse all'età augustea o al tempo di Caligola", precisa l'archeologa della soprintendenza.

"Questo scavo dimostra che la casa di Augusto era molto più estesa di quanto immaginiamo. E mettere in sicurezza dai crolli immanenti la domus del suo successore Tiberio, significa salvare tutto il Palatino, che è un luogo ancora tutto da scoprire".
Il colle cede e i percorsi sotterranei rischiano di franare l'uno nell'altro. Per questo, con la consulenza dell'ingegner Giorgio Croci, si stanno facendo lavori di scavo e di consolidamento. Un primo intervento l'ha realizzato il vecchio Dionisio. L'operaio sorride soddisfatto e mostra il muro di mattoni che ha tamponato il crollo di una volta. "L'ho fatto come lo facevano gli antichi romani, dottò. Reggerà".

(5 gennaio 2008)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54630 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: Saturnalia Gift of the Vitellii to the Res Publica
Salve QUintilianus, Amice,
thank you very much, you recall wonderful days spent in Bologna and Rome, we had wonderful roman moments togheter. We were the first magistrates to create real events in Europe where different novaroman cultures met under just one common passion.
Happy new year to all my scandinavian friends, I hope to come in Sweden or Finland as soon as possible.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senator Consularis





----- Messaggio originale -----
Da: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus <christer.edling@...>
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: L. Vitellius Triarius <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...>; Caius Curius Saturninus <c..curius@...>; Emilia Curia Finnica <e.curia@...>; Gallus Minicius Iovinus <xkrull@...>; Franciscus Apulus Caesar <fraelov@...>; Marcus Julius Perusianus <peraznanie@...>
Inviato: Domenica 6 gennaio 2008, 2:50:20
Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Saturnalia Gift of the Vitellii to the Res Publica

Salve Quaestor L. Vitelius Triarius!

During the last days of last year i found your
"Mons Aventinus Project", it had been there right
under my eyes, but the many OT messages fooled me
to miss this beautiful idea. I want to send You
my late, but never the less, warm thanks for
getting such a wonderful project going.

I admit that this project mostly appeal to my
nostalgic side. When I was Consul I visited
Italia and the European Conventus in Bologna,
after the Conventus Senatores Caius Curius
Saturninus, Emilia Curia Finnica, Legatus Gallus
Minicius Iovinus and I went to stay in Roma
Aeterna for twelve days. I have always felt s a
Roman and felt a deep connection to the Roman
culture and history, but when I first entered
Roma Aeterna it was love at first sight. We spent
many days on the Forum Romanum, the Palatine and
the Capitoline, is was an enchanting experience.
I felt a very special attraction to the Palatine
and I got a dream which included me living in a
villa on the side viewing somewhere close to the
Fons Juturna.

I always long to my "homecity", so when I found
this project I immediately occupied a villa,
situated on the south side of the Clivus
Victoriae on the Palatine Hill, opposite to the
stairs crossing Via Nova and ending close to to
Fons Juturna. This is as far as I can see very
near the site of my dreams. The Gods smiled
doubly as I found that my closest neighbor was my
filius Censor Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus and his
wonderful wife Gaia Octavia Oceana. I found a
wonderful virtual villa where I may dream that I
at last made my dream come true, thanks to You.

I am not sure how to use this as I am inclined to
RL project in Nova Roma. Anyhow dear L. Vitelius
Triarius I have to thank You for this initiative
and for giving me the chance to live at the place
of my dreams, at least in my fantasy. ;-) A warm
thanks and a late Happy New Year!

Also a late Happy New Year to Senatores Caius
Curius Saturninus, Emilia Curia Finnica, Legatus
Gallus Minicius Iovinus and my Italian friends
Consularis Franciscus Apulus and Praetorius
Marcus Julius Perusianus! I hope we can meet
again in Italia and Roma after the Conventus in
Thule.

>Salvete omnes,
>
>Io Saturnalia!
>
>I decided to build a virtual community, where everyone in Nova Roma
>could have a home page, edit the content as they wished at will,
>where people could find resources in the various communities "where
>they would have been," could simply learn the layout of ancient
>Roma, and provide cives with an alternative to the Main List for
>something to do.

................

>The Mons Aventinus Project is an open, living resource for citizens
>of Nova Roma to modify and update as they need or see fit. It is
>meant to be used by citizens to provide specific information to the
>rest of the Res Publica, where they cannot necessarily do that on
>the Main Wiki site.

................

>You can pick from the following communities to reside in: Aventine,
>Caelian, Campus Martius, Capitoline (Restricted—See Community Page),
>Esquiline, Palatine, Quirinal, Trans Tiberim, or Viminal.

...........

>The address to the site is:
>
>http://monsaventinus.wikia.com
>
>
>Again, Io Saturnalia!!!
>
>Valete optime,
>Triarius
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>L•VITELLIVS•TRIARIVS
>aka/ Chip Hatcher (Knoxville, Tennessee, USA)
>Praefectus Regio Tennessee, Provincia America Austrorientalis
>Dominus factionis, Factio Veneta (the Blues Charioteers)
>Quaestor Designatus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54631 From: Gens Iulia Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: OT: The Morrighan Speaks... was "Idol-worshipping"
Salvete!:
Yes, I was about to perform a "silly walk" before summoning the Spanish Inquisition carrying the "comfy chair", the "soft cushions" and.... the "RACK"!!!.
To begin with "idol worshipping"... well, it sounded too "biblical" for my taste, *as an expression*.
I truly thought it was some sort of joke, at worst, or something into the lines you mentioned, at best. So far, being raised as a Catholic (specifically an Italian Catholic), I remember my family home covered with religious stamps and statuettes (not counting my Granny's bra, holding assorted medals from assorted Saints with a safety pin). Is it "idol worshipping"?. I don't know.
On the other hand, one sees many people, both among Catholics and even the Church of England, going into pilgrimage only to visit such and such Church and eventually touch such and such statue/grave/site, etc. Right now, one can see the same phenomena in India. I'm not quite sure about Japan, maybe Agricola can comment on it (I'd be really interested).
Maybe the actual question might be a bit too difficult to answer. The Lares, as it was mentioned in this thread, were a separate issue. As for the main Deities... maybe the actual answer would be as diverse as each person contemplating their own personal relationship to each one of Them. Maybe it is something ingrained in our human mind, having something physical to use as focus, even an abstract symbol (as explained by Austin Osman Spare when using sigils magic). After all, our own intellect develops into similar lines. As a kid, you need to be explained "using apples", but as you grow, you don't need the apples anymore. I guess the same principle can be applied to other human expressions.
Just a few random thoughts.
As for my OT answer... well, back in 2001, I met people who actually belonged to the Ahathöor Temple (as well as another who belonged to the DragonRouge), so I simply tried to separate a few issues, that's why I marked it OT, so people not interested would simply let it pass or delete it.
Valete!.
Gaia Iulia Agrippa

----- Original Message -----
From: "os390account" <Velaki@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: OT: The Morrighan Speaks... was "Idol-worshipping"


> Salvete!
> When I first saw this thread, I simply thought it was a person trying to inquire as to whether ancient Romans saw idols as a part of the divine-made-incarnate, and thus could respond as a personal object of veneration; OR if they viewed them as metaphorical representations and foci/channels to the gods (as aspects or in toto) of prayful intent.
> I mean, wasn't that the question, because the follow-up looked like a Monty Python sketch gone awry:
> - "Ummm...Did Romans like chocolate or vanilla?"
> - "What?! You ignorant cloaca! Chocolate?! VANILLA?! Burn him!!!!"
> Thoughts?
> Valete,
> Q. Valerius Callidus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54632 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: The Official Nova Roma Calendar from Saturninus.
SALVETE!

I received today the Official Nova Roma Calendar, the result of an
outstanding work of Curius Saturninus.
It is very well structured with excellent information and nice
pictures from the Eternal City.
In short: a professional product from a professional producer.
My respect for your work and my best thanks, Saturnine!

More information to:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar/

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54633 From: geranioj@aol.com Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: Il tunnel segreto di Augusto
This is fantastic news for Julio Claudian lovers!!  Nice virtual site.

Joe 


-----Original Message-----
From: Francesco Valenzano <fraelov@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 5:25 am
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Il tunnel segreto di Augusto






http://tv.repubblica.it/home_page.php?playmode=gallery&cont_id=157

Secondo Svetonio fu qui che venne ucciso Caligola
Il passaggio sotto la casa dell'imperatore
Il tunnel segreto di Augusto
Con gli archeologi nel Palatino
di CARLO ALBERTO BUCCI

Del togato, che giace ancora accanto al cumulo di terra che l'ha sepolto, si spera di ritrovare almeno la testa. Mentre è certo che proprio tra uno di questi criptoportici scavati nelle viscere del Palatino trovò la morte per mano dei suoi pretoriano Caligola il 14 gennaio del 41 d. C. Bellezza e ferocia, storia e archeologia, architettura e natura, si sovrappongono nel cuore della Città eterna. Ci siamo calati nel buco nel terreno che scende a nove metri sotto gli "Horti" che i Farnese nel XVI secolo fecero costruire spianando le rovine della dimora di Tiberio e riempiendo di terra i criptoportici che collegavano le case di d'Augusto con il Foro romano: i passaggi segreti - architetture tanto semplici quanto utili, imponenti, spartane - del palazzo degli imperatori.

Il soprintendente Angelo Bottini scende per la prima volta a vedere lo scavo che, iniziato a settembre e diretto dall'archeologa Maria Antonietta Tomei, sta rapidamente liberando dalle tonnellate di terra il tunnel che corre parallelo al criptoportico di Nerone. Ma svuotati dai detriti sono anche i passaggi laterali che, di volta in volta, gli operai dell'azienda "Consorzio Italia" trovano scendendo fino al pavimento, a cinque metri dalla chiave di volta. E in uno di questi anfratti - tra le volte che minacciano di crollare sotto la spinta delle radici degli alberi, giunte a scardinare fin quaggiù mattoni e malta - la terra usata come riempitivo ha restituito la statua acefala di un membro dell'élite imperale che volle farsi rappresentare bello come un dio greco. E la cui foto il 10 dicembre è stata mostrata durante la conferenza stampa per la riapertura (il 2 marzo prossimo) della Domus d'Augusto.

Bottini si piega per analizzare la statua. "Guardi soprintendente, ci sono ampie tracce di rosso sul appanneggio" sottolinea la Tomei liberando il vestito dalla polvere. "Già, anche la scultura nell'arte romana risplendeva di "rosso pompeiano"". Accanto al corpo, gli archeologi i primi di dicembre hanno trovato anche tre ali di marmo, "la suggestione è che appartengano alle Nike che fungevano da acroteri sul tempio della Vittoria". Verrebbe voglia di togliere la terra oltre il collo mozzo del togato, e cercare le altri parti di queste o di altre meravigliose statue. "Non si può "sgrottare", rischiamo di fare la fine dei topi", avverte la Tomei: "Lo scavo deve essere stratigrafico, partire dall'alto".
E si sporge nel buio della caverna creata dal crollo del criptoportico "che la mancanza di tegole bipedali ci permette di datare a una fase pre neroniana, forse all'età augustea o al tempo di Caligola", precisa l'archeologa della soprintendenza.

"Questo scavo dimostra che la casa di Augusto era molto più estesa di quanto immaginiamo. E mettere in sicurezza dai crolli immanenti la domus del suo successore Tiberio, significa salvare tutto il Palatino, che è un luogo ancora tutto da scoprire".
Il colle cede e i percorsi sotterranei rischiano di franare l'uno nell'altro. Per questo, con la consulenza dell'ingegner Giorgio Croci, si stanno facendo lavori di scavo e di consolidamento. Un primo intervento l'ha realizzato il vecchio Dionisio. L'operaio sorride soddisfatto e mostra il muro di mattoni che ha tamponato il crollo di una volta. "L'ho fatto come lo facevano gli antichi romani, dottò. Reggerà".

(5 gennaio 2008)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54634 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: The Official Nova Roma Calendar from Saturninus.
P. Memmius Albucius Consuli s.d.

Beautiful ! My congratulations to Saturninus, also !

Just a question : has the calendar been certified by the Collegium
Pontificum ?

What if our CP issue a different calendar ?


Vale bene,


Albucius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
<iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
>
> SALVETE!
>
> I received today the Official Nova Roma Calendar, the result of an
> outstanding work of Curius Saturninus.
> It is very well structured with excellent information and nice
> pictures from the Eternal City.
> In short: a professional product from a professional producer.
> My respect for your work and my best thanks, Saturnine!
>
> More information to:
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/calendar/
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54635 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: In Vino Veritas
Salvete

"The Romans themselves knew all about wine, but they still preferred the
more manly drinks -- mead and beer -- of their warrior past."

I just came across this quote and thought that it was wrong as to Romans and
beer.
I thought they drank wine and mead but that beer was not as popular as the
other
two with wine leading the way.

Yes, no anybody ?

This leads me to my main question. What modern wines, if any
would be closest to Roman wine in nature and flavor?

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54636 From: sstevemoore Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Water Systems in Roma
Salvete, omnes.

I came across a very interesting and readable article about water in
Roma Antiqua. I hope you enjoy it.

http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/

Valete,

M. Valerius Potitus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54637 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: In Vino Veritas
Depends on what part of the Roman Republic/Principate/Empire you are
investigating. The Celti-Iberians and Lusitanians made and drank beer; the latter
even fermented it so that it foamed like modern beer. The Germans and Britons
enjoyed both beer and mead. The Egyptians drank a lot of beer and would
ferment anything else they could.

In the time of Trajan, beer in Rome sold for half the price of inferior wine
according to Adkins and Adkins.

The Parthians and Sassanian Persians enjoyed beer.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54638 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Rudimenta Latina course to start at AT
A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis
S.P.D.

My colleague and department chair, A. Gratius Avitus, has authorized me
to announce that the second run of his Rudimenta Latina course will begin
January 14th, and should be enrollable today (Sunday, January 6th, though
there may be some delays there). This is not a Latin course as such, but
one which provides background for Latin study; it is a book course with
minimal instruction per se, though Avitus does require student participation
via the online forum. One must purchase and read the textbook, and take an
examination on the contents. Those interested should be able to register
via the Academia Thules website; look for Facultas Litterarum, and scroll
down to the correct course.

Avitus has also made a video on YouTube; the address is
<http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KDg70dIbDUw> (hope I got that right...) He
is discussing his Assimil course, and mentions the Academia Thules. All
audio is in Latin, and his voice, though mysteriously pitched several
octaves below mine, seems equally soft; it is difficult to hear him. Full
understanding, of course, requires several years of Latin.

Valete.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54639 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: Rudimenta Latina course to start at AT
P. Memmius Albucius Scholasticae omnibus s.d.


Impressing Avite, speaking this so easy fluent Latin!!!


Vale bene Scholastica et omnes,


Albucius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
<fororom@...> wrote:
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae
voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
> My colleague and department chair, A. Gratius Avitus, has
authorized me
> to announce that the second run of his Rudimenta Latina course will
begin
> January 14th, and should be enrollable today (Sunday, January 6th,
though
> there may be some delays there). This is not a Latin course as
such, but
> one which provides background for Latin study; it is a book course
with
> minimal instruction per se, though Avitus does require student
participation
> via the online forum. One must purchase and read the textbook, and
take an
> examination on the contents. Those interested should be able to
register
> via the Academia Thules website; look for Facultas Litterarum, and
scroll
> down to the correct course.
>
> Avitus has also made a video on YouTube; the address is
> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KDg70dIbDUw> (hope I got that
right...) He
> is discussing his Assimil course, and mentions the Academia
Thules. All
> audio is in Latin, and his voice, though mysteriously pitched
several
> octaves below mine, seems equally soft; it is difficult to hear
him. Full
> understanding, of course, requires several years of Latin.
>
> Valete.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54640 From: qvalerius Date: 2008-01-06
Subject: Re: In Vino Veritas
Everything Aurelianus said seems right. But what do I know? I'm also
drunk. :P

Quintus Valerius Popilcola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete
>
> "The Romans themselves knew all about wine, but they still preferred
the
> more manly drinks -- mead and beer -- of their warrior past."
>
> I just came across this quote and thought that it was wrong as to
Romans and
> beer.
> I thought they drank wine and mead but that beer was not as popular
as the
> other
> two with wine leading the way.
>
> Yes, no anybody ?
>
> This leads me to my main question. What modern wines, if any
> would be closest to Roman wine in nature and flavor?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54641 From: Adriano Rota Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: Re: In Vino Veritas
Salve

There is only one grape plant as good as untouched and not further domesticized from its original 2000 years ago. At least to my knowledge. It grows in the Rhine valley and remained almost the way as it was when the Roman Armies imported it.
Small production and a heartly wine. Strong but plain body, rather dry with a fruity character. Little acid. Luckyly not very requested.

Vale
Hadrianus




----- Original Message ----
From: qvalerius <catullus.poeta@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 11:07:37 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Vino Veritas

Everything Aurelianus said seems right. But what do I know? I'm also
drunk. :P

Quintus Valerius Popilcola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@... > wrote:
>
> Salvete
>
> "The Romans themselves knew all about wine, but they still preferred
the
> more manly drinks -- mead and beer -- of their warrior past."
>
> I just came across this quote and thought that it was wrong as to
Romans and
> beer.
> I thought they drank wine and mead but that beer was not as popular
as the
> other
> two with wine leading the way.
>
> Yes, no anybody ?
>
> This leads me to my main question. What modern wines, if any
> would be closest to Roman wine in nature and flavor?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54642 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: Re: Rudimenta Latina course to start at AT
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica P. Memmio Albucio quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
> bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius Scholasticae omnibus s.d.
>
> Impressing Avite, speaking this so easy fluent Latin!!!
>
> ATS: Isn¹t it, though? The moderators at my Latin immersion
> conventiculum last year were fully fluent in Latin, too, and some of the
> participants were not far behind. There are genuine Latin speakers in this
> world; Avitus is only one of them, and one well recognized for his fluency.
> I¹m getting there...
>
> It is indeed wonderful, especially for someone who has never seen or heard
> an actual Latin speaker, to see and hear someone as fluent as Avitus is even
> if you don¹t understand it. Reality is that people DO speak Latin! Cordus,
> Astur, Paulus, and I did so daily at the Carlisle Conventus, and we brave
> souls spent ten days speaking nothing but Latin at conventiculum this past
> summer.
>
> Vale bene Scholastica et omnes,
>
> Albucius
>
>
> Vale, Albuci, et valete, omnes bonae voluntatis.
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "A.
> Tullia Scholastica"
> <fororom@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae
> voluntatis
>> > S.P.D.
>> >
>> > My colleague and department chair, A. Gratius Avitus, has
> authorized me
>> > to announce that the second run of his Rudimenta Latina course will
> begin
>> > January 14th, and should be enrollable today (Sunday, January 6th,
> though
>> > there may be some delays there). This is not a Latin course as
> such, but
>> > one which provides background for Latin study; it is a book course
> with
>> > minimal instruction per se, though Avitus does require student
> participation
>> > via the online forum. One must purchase and read the textbook, and
> take an
>> > examination on the contents. Those interested should be able to
> register
>> > via the Academia Thules website; look for Facultas Litterarum, and
> scroll
>> > down to the correct course.
>> >
>> > Avitus has also made a video on YouTube; the address is
>> > <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KDg70dIbDUw> (hope I got that
> right...) He
>> > is discussing his Assimil course, and mentions the Academia
> Thules. All
>> > audio is in Latin, and his voice, though mysteriously pitched
> several
>> > octaves below mine, seems equally soft; it is difficult to hear
> him. Full
>> > understanding, of course, requires several years of Latin.
>> >
>> > Valete.
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54643 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: New edition of the course Rudimenta Latina (LL-P-1) ready for boardi
A. Tullia Scholastica omnibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

Below is Avitus¹ message to the Sodalitas concerning enrollment for the
Rudimenta course.
It may be necessary to type the address in rather than click on it as this
is being forwarded.


------ Forwarded Message

Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:32:28 -0000

Subject: New edition of the course Rudimenta Latina (LL-P-1) ready for
boarding!





Avitus Latinistis optimis suís S·P·D

This is just to announce that the new edition of the Academia Thules course
Rudimenta
Latina (LL-P-1) is now open for enrolment. Please check the relevant
information perusing
the Facultas Litterarum page:
http://www.academiathules.org/studyguide/facultaslitterarum/

If you are not yet a student of the Academia Thules, please become one by
following the
explanations in its website:
http://www.academiathules.org/

If you are an Academia Thules student already, you just need to click on the
relevant course
title in the CMS to enrol for it.

The enrolment period will be closed on the official start date of the course
on Monday the
14th of January 2008.

Curate ut valeatis omnes!

============

Valete.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54644 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: a. d. VII Eidus Ianuariae: Feriale Cumanum
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Di vos servavissent semper

Hodie est ante diem VII Eidus Ianuariae; haec dies comitialis est:
Feriale Cumanum

AUC 710 / 43 BCE: The Feriale Cumanum celebrates the anniversary of
when Octavius Augustus first assumed the imperium.

"Because honorable discharge with enjoyment of privileges is given to
men who have served their time or because salary is paid to the
soldiers (on the date, sacrifices are made) to Jupiter Optimus
Maximus an ox, to Juno a (white) cow, to Minerva a (white) cow, to
Salus a (white) cow, to Mars Pater a bull." ~ Military calendar,
papyrus no. 117, from Dura Europus


Sundials

The Gods confound the man who first found out
How to distinguish hours! Confound him, too,
Who in this place set up a sundial
To cut and hack my days so wretchedly
Into small portions! When I was a boy,
My belly was my only sun-dial, one more sure,
Truer, and more exact than any of them.
This dial told me when 'twas proper time
To go to dinner, when I had aught to eat;
But nowadays, why even when I have,
I can't fall to unless the sun gives leave.
The town's so full of these confounded dials
~ Aquilius (or Plautus), The Boeotian Woman Fr. V.21 Götz; Gellius,
Noctes Atticae 3.3.5

"In the Twelve Tables, the rising and setting of the sun are the only
things that are mentioned relative to time. Some years afterwards,
the hour of midday was added, the summoner of the consuls proclaiming
it aloud, as soon as, from the senate-house, he caught sight of the
sun between the Rostra and the Græco stasis; he also proclaimed the
last hour, when the sun had gone down from the Mænian column to the
prison. This, however, could only be done in clear weather, but it
was continued until the first Punic war. The first sun-dial is said
to have been erected among the Romans twelve years before the war
with Pyrrhus, by L. Papirius Cursor, at the temple of Quirinus, on
which occasion he dedicated it in pursuance of a vow which had been
made by his father. This is the account given by Fabius Vestalis; but
he makes no mention of either the construction of the dial or the
artist, nor does he inform us from what place it was brought, or in
whose works he found this statement made.

"M. Varro says that the first sun-dial, erected for the use of the
public, was fixed upon a column near the Rostra, in the time of the
first Punic war, by the consul M. Valerius Messala, and that it was
brought from the capture of Catina, in Sicily: this being thirty
years after the date assigned to the dial of Papirius, and the year
of Rome 491 (262 BCE). The lines in this dial did not exactly agree
with the hours; it served, however, as the regulator of the Roman
time ninety-nine years, until Q. Marcius Philippus, who was censor
with L. Paulus, placed one near it, which was more carefully
arranged: an act which was most gratefully acknowledged, as one of
the very best of his censorship. The hours, however, still remained a
matter of uncertainty, whenever the weather happened to be cloudy,
until the ensuing lustrum; at which time Scipio Nasica, the colleague
of Lænas, by means of a clepsydra, was the first to divide the hours
of the day and the night into equal parts: and this time-piece he
placed under cover and dedicated, in the year of Rome 595 (158 BCE);
for so long a period had the Romans remained without any exact
division of the day." ~ Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 7.60


The thought of today is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 35:

"Don't spoil what you have by desiring what you don't have; but
remember that what you now have was once among the things only hoped
for."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54645 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: Re: In Vino Veritas
Salve Pauline,

>This leads me to my main question. What modern wines, if any
would be closest to Roman wine in nature and flavor?

Romans usually drunk a different wine from the modern. Usually the wine was less clean and mixed with water or snow. So the alcholic volume decreased from 16% to 5 or 6%, I suppose the original wine without water was closer to a aromatic liquor of wine.
The majority of the ancient wines, vinum atrum (red) and candidum (white), are present in Italy. Here we have wines similar to Falernus, volturnus, albanus, sabinus of latium, etc. but they suffered contaminations from other grapes during the centuries, so they are not egual.
In Pompeii the local public authorities recreated the original grapes using ancient seeds. They created a very good roman wine using the ancient methods. The wines is very expansive and you could find it at http://www.villadeimisteri.com/index_eng.htm
In Italy there are many private farms which produce roman wines with original seeds, or with recostruction of ancient grapes, on roman original lands and methods. I would suggest you Castello di Lispida, a producer close to Venice able to produce wine in doliae, the original roman method, the wine is very particular: http://www.lispida.com/english/vino/nostri.asp

Vale
FAC


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 54646 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-01-07
Subject: Re: In Vino Veritas
Salve Caesar

This great info! Thanks

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


>From: Francesco Valenzano <fraelov@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Vino Veritas
>Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:45:20 +0000 (GMT)
>
>Salve Pauline,
>
> >This leads me to my main question. What modern wines, if any
>would be closest to Roman wine in nature and flavor?
>
>Romans usually drunk a different wine from the modern. Usually the wine was
>less clean and mixed with water or snow. So the alcholic volume decreased
>from 16% to 5 or 6%, I suppose the original wine without water was closer
>to a aromatic liquor of wine.
>The majority of the ancient wines, vinum atrum (red) and candidum (white),
>are present in Italy. Here we have wines similar to Falernus, volturnus,
>albanus, sabinus of latium, etc. but they suffered contaminations from
>other grapes during the centuries, so they are not egual.
>In Pompeii the local public authorities recreated the original grapes using
>ancient seeds. They created a very good roman wine using the ancient
>methods. The wines is very expansive and you could find it at
>http://www.villadeimisteri.com/index_eng.htm
>In Italy there are many private farms which produce roman wines with
>original seeds, or with recostruction of ancient grapes, on roman original
>lands and methods. I would suggest you Castello di Lispida, a producer
>close to Venice able to produce wine in doliae, the original roman method,
>the wine is very particular: http://www.lispida.com/english/vino/nostri.asp
>
>Vale
>FAC
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