Ex officio consularis.

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MARCVS C

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos salvas et servatas volunt.

Hodie est Kalendae Februariae; haec dies nefastus est: DIE QUINTI TE
KALO, IUNO COVELLA: dies natalis aedes Vestae in Foro; Iunoni
Sospitae Matri Regioni; natalis aedes Iovis Tonantis

"On the Kalends of February when Sirius begins to set, then arrives,
with hail, Auster, and Eurinus winds." ~ Columella, De Re Rutica 9.2.5

The month of February is sacred to Juno Februa, whose temple was
located on the Esquiline Hill near the Temple of Juno Lucina. Februa
is a Goddess of purification, and much of the month is devoted to
purification rites in preparation for the coming of the New Year in
March. In the religio Romana purification has mainly to do with
fulfilling one's obligations to your ancestors. Thus we will see in
the month of Februarius a parentalia performed for ancestors, and the
Feralia that is conducted for other Manes, while festivals for
Terminus and Fornicalia, ancient rites, have much to do with the
ancerstral worship of Di parenti, and of course there are the very
special purification rites of Lupercalia and Quirinalia that are
thought by some to extend back to a period when Rome was still
divided among the Latins on the Palatine Hill and Sabines on the
Quirinal Hill.


"At the start of the month, they say, that Juno the Saviour (Sospita),
Neighbouring the Phrygian Mother, was honoured with new shrines.
If you ask where those temples, dedicated to the Goddess
On the Kalends, are now, they are fallen with the lapse of time." ~
Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.55-58


AUC 556 / 197 BCE: Defeat of the Gallic tribes and vow of a Temple
for Juno Sospita

"When they had raised the required force and completed all the
necessary business, both sacred and secular, both the consuls left
for Gaul. Cornelius took the direct road to the Insubres, who in
conjunction with the Cenomani were in arms; Q. Minucius bent his
course to the left side of Italy towards the Adriatic, and marching
his army to Genua began operations in the direction of Liguria. Two
fortified towns, Clastidium and Litubium, both belonging to the
Ligurians, and two of their communities, the Celeiates and the
Cerdiciates, surrendered. All the tribes on this side the Po were now
reduced except the Boii in Gaul and the Ilvates in Liguria. It was
stated that 15 fortified towns and 20,000 men surrendered.

"From there he led his legions into the country of the Boii, whose
army had not long before crossed the Po. They had heard that the
consuls intended to attack with their united legions, and in order
that they too might consolidate their strength by union they had
formed a junction with the Insubres and Cenomani. When a report
reached them that one of the consuls was firing the fields of the
Boii, a sharp difference of opinion arose; the Boii demanded that all
should render assistance to those who were hard pressed, the Insubres
declared that they would not leave their own country defenceless.
Their forces were accordingly divided; the Boii went off to protect
their country, the Insubres and Cenomani took up a position on the
bank of the Mincius. On the same river, two miles lower down,
Cornelius fixed his camp. From there he sent to make enquiries in
Brixia, their capital. and in their villages, and from what he learnt
he was quite satisfied that it was not with the sanction of their
elders that the younger men had taken up arms, nor had the national
council authorised any assistance being given to the revolted
Insubrians. On learning this he invited their chiefs to a conference
and tried to induce them to break with the Insubres and either return
home or go over to the Romans. He was unable to gain their consent to
the latter proposal, but they gave him assurances that they would
take no part in the fighting, unless occasion should arise, in which
case they would assist the Romans. The Insubres were kept in
ignorance of this compact, but they felt somewhat suspicious as to
the intentions of their allies, and in forming their line they did
not venture to entrust them with a position on either wing lest they
should abandon their ground through treachery and involve the whole
army in disaster. They were accordingly stationed in the rear as a
reserve. At the outset of the battle the consul vowed a temple to
Juno Sospita in case the enemy were routed that day, and the shouts
of the soldiers assured their commander that they would enable him to
fulfil his vow. Then they charged, and the Insubres did not stand
against the first shock. Some authors say that the Cenomani attacked
them from behind while the battle was going on and that the twofold
attack threw them into complete disorder, 35,000 men being killed and
5200 made prisoners, including the Carthaginian general Hamilcar, the
prime instigator of the war. 130 standards were taken and numerous
wagons. Those of the Gauls who had followed the Insubres in their
revolt surrendered to the Romans." ~ Titus Livius 32.29;30


Juno Sospita, the Savior, was the main deity of Lanuvium. She is
generally depicted armed with a shield and spear, Her long gown
covered by a goat skin that is drawn up so as its horns appear on Her
head.In 338 BCE Lanuvium was one of the Latin cities defeated by
Rome, but in surrendering its people were granted Roman citizenship
and their temples restored to them, meaning, too, that these became
Roman temples as well (Livy 8.14). The Temple of Juno Sospita at
Lanuvium is mentioned in various instances by Livy, drawing upon the
Libri Pontifici, where the decemviri sacris faciudis, on the advice
of the Sibylline Oracles, recommended sacrifices be offered to Her
during the war with Hannibal (Livy 21.62; 22.1; 24.10; 29.14). After
197 BCE She was given a temple residence in Rome itself, just as the
junones of other Goddesses had been brought to Rome from Veii,
Carthage, and elsewhere, and Her temple at Lanuvium is not heard of
again. Ovid says that a temple for Her once stood near the Temple of
Magna Mater, which was on the Palatine, but that in his day no such
temple for Juno Sopita stood there. There was, however, a Temple of
Juno Sospita in the Forum Holitorium. Like the Vestal Virgins at
Rome and Lavinium, at Lanuvium Juno Seispita Mater Regina was served
by maidens. Into Her sacred grove at Lanuvium at several times in a
year, the virgins Junoni brought Her barley cakes. If these were
accepted and eaten by serpents that lived in Her sacred grove, it was
interpreted as a sign of abundance (J. G. Frazer, Publii Ovidii
Nasonis Fastorum Libri, 1929; Vol. 1, pp.296-297).


AUC 40 / 713 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Vesta in the Forum

On this day too the grove of Alernus is crowded,
Near where Tiber, from afar, meets the ocean waves.
At Numa's sanctuary, and the Thunderer's on the Capitol,
And on the summit of Jove's citadel, a sheep is sacrificed.
~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.67-70

Alernus was an ancient and obscure deity whose sacred grove was near
where the Tiber emptied into the sea. In his grove dwelt the nymph
Cranae, whom Ovid confused with Carna and Cardea (Ovid, Fasti 6.105-
106. Numa's sanctuary refers to the Temple of Vesta.

"Furthermore it is said that Numa built the Temple of Vesta, where
the perpetual fire was kept, of a circular form, not in imitation of
the shape of the earth, believing Vesta to be the earth, but of the
entire universe, at the centre of which the Pythagoreans place the
element of fire and call it Vesta and Monad. And they hold that the
earth is neither motionless nor situated in the centre of surrounding
space, but that it revolves in a circle about the central fire, not
being one of the most important, nor even one of the primary elements
of the universe. This is the conception, we are told, which Plato
also, in his old age, had of the earth, namely that it is established
in a secondary space, and that the central and sovereign space is
reserved for some other and nobler body." ~ Plutarch, Life of Numa
11.1-2

"[Numa] also chose virgin priestesses for Vesta. This priesthood
originated at Alba and was not therefor alien to the founder of
Rome. So that these priestesses should be able to devote their whole
time to temple service, he provided them with an income from public
funds; he conferred a special sanctity on them by ritual obligations,
including the keeping of their virginity." ~ Titus Livius 1.20.3

"At first, they say, Numa consecrated Gegania and Verania, followed
by Canuleia and Tarpeia. Later Servius added two more, making the
number six that has been maintained up to our present time.It was
ordained by the king that the sacred virgins should vow themselves to
chastity for thirty years; during the first decadethey are to learn
their duties, during the second to perform the duties they have
learned, and during the third to teach their duties to others. Then
the thirty years being now passed, any one who wishes has liberty to
marry and adopt a different mode of life, after laying down her
sacred office. We are told however that few have welcomed the
indulgence, and that those who did so were not happy, but were a prey
to repentance and dejection for the rest of their lives, thereby
inspiring the rest with religious fear, so that until old age and
death they remained steadfast in their virginity. Numa gave them
great honors, among which was the right to make a will during the
lifetime of their father and to deal with their other affairs without
the need for a guardian, like mothers of three children. When they
appear in public, the fasces are carried before them, and if they
accidentally meet a criminal on his way to execution, his life is
spared; but the virgin must make oath that the meeting was
involuntary and fortuitous, and not by design. He who passes under
the litter on which they are borne, is put to death." ~ Plutarch,
Life of Numa 10.1-4


"Thunderous Jupiter Tonans, I pray that finally You may spare me"
(Valerius Flaccus Argonautica 4.474-5).

Finally, then, Ovid refers to the Temple for Jupiter Tonans that was
dedicated on the Capitoline Hill by Augustus after he was narrowly
missed by a lightning bolt while campaigning in Hispania. On the
Capitoline Hill, too, Ovid says that a sheep was sacrificed,
referring to the Kalends of each month, but it is not a sacrifice to
Jupiter Tonans to which he refers.

On the Kalends of each month a sheep was sacrificed to Juno by a
Pontifex Minor at the Curia Calabra (Macrobius, Saturnalia 1.15.18).
Then the Pontifices announced the day on which the Nones would fall,
always eight days before the Ides. Thus it would either be called
out, "die quint te kalo, Iuno Covells" or else, "Septimi die te kalo,
Iuno Covella (Varro, Linga Latina 6.27)."


Our thought for today is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 71:

"Question each of your desires: 'What will happen to me if that which
this desire seeks is achieved, and what if it is not?"

Albucius aed. Messalinae s.d.

Thanks a lot, Messalina ! Now the more difficult is toward us : just
making the games ! ;-)

For your full information, for I know your interest for religious
rituals, we wish the relevant sacerdotes help us during these games
celebrating their ritual on the days we are currently working on.

I have written to our Pontifex Maximus two weeks ago and hope that he
will be able, with the Collegium Pontificum, to define the rules
which would allow our whole priesthood to support our efforts in the
coming weeks.

If not, we would officially, before the Lupercalia, request the
consuls to be kind enough, for our all interest, the coordination of
the religious advice and help us aediles and our specialist, Qu.
Hortensia, who has been appointed as the Religion contact in the
Cohors aed..

Concerning the ceremonies, we would wish that every concerned
sacerdos may assume the insertion of the ceremonial in our wiki Ludi
pages, and, if possible, accomplish the ritual lively, at the
relevant time. At best, if we may dream, a video on such celebrations
would make us the happiest cives in the (Roman) world ! :-)

Vale Messalina,


P. Memmius Albucius
aed. cur.


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>
> Wow! Very impressive! Kudos to you both!
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
> Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
> Aed. Memmius Lucilius omnibus s.d.
>
> This year is a special year : it is Nova Roma 10th birthday.
>
> So we have wished, with our Cohors aedilicia, to propose you a
> special Birthday 'package', with :
> - the usual games : Megalenses in April and Romani in September ;
> - extraordinary games, grouped in what we have called "Decenniales"
> games, the games of the 10th birthday.
>
> Reading below the general schedule of the 2761 curule games, you

will

> notice that the first of our Ludi will begin soon, *in 2 weeks*,

with

> the Lupercalia!
>
> A following message will inform you on the Lupercalenses program.
>
> Here is the global schedule with the event or deity honored:
>
> - Lupercalenses Feb. 15-17 : Lupercales
> - Conditorum Feb. 27 - March 5th : Re-foundation of Rome through

Nova

> Roma 10 years ago, by Vedius et Cassius Patres Patriae
> - Megalenses April 4-10 : Magna Mater
> - Matutini June 9-11 : Mater Matuta
> - Herculanenses August 1, 3-4-5 : NR Conventus in Europe, organized
> this year in Romania by provincia Dacia
> - Romani September 9-17 : Jupiter Optimus Maximus and the end of

the

> summer (military season)
> - Octobris October 14-15, 17, and 18-19 : Equus October and the
> Armilustrium
> - Ianuales December 15-19 : Consualia-Saturnalia-Opalia and the end
> of the civil year.
>
> Five precisions :
> 1/ naturally these are Curule games ; the plebeian aediles will

issue

> their schedule in the frame of their calendar ;
> 2/ we are working (hard!)to provide you as interesting web pages as
> last year, with specially one page for every game. These pages will
> be available before the Lupercalenses.
> 3/ we are working with every interesting magistrate, specially with
> the Pontifex maximus and the Consuls, to have the most religiously
> conform and best schedule as possible. Things may thus be able to
> change in their detail, but probably not on the main lines above.
> 4/ we are planning with the consuls a special effort on Feb.-March
> Rebirth festival. Fyi, "Conditorum" means "of the Founders",

because

> it seemed to us important, beyond the current evolution of our
> republic, to pay the whole homage that we are, as Novaromans, to

pay

> our both (re-)Founders, Patres Cassius Iulianus and Vedius
> Germanicus.
> 5/ You will enjoy more literary, cultural and.. everything contests.
>
> Valete omnes and prepare yourself !
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> S. Lucilius Tutor
> aed. cur.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

A. Apollonius Fl. Galerio sal.

> A.

Apollonius
and
C.
Petronius
have
written
that
the
CP
cannot
change
the

> nundinal

day
letter
because
the
first
of
the
year
has
come
and
gone.
That
if

> the

CP
changes
it
now
then
we
will
have
chaos
and
a
bad
year
for
the
Republic.

To be fair, I don't think either of us has said there will be chaos or a bad year. I know that I didn't, because I've been very careful in choosing my words on the subject. I've cited the sources for the ancient belief that a year that begins with the nundinae will be a bad one, and I've mentioned some of the bad things that have happened in such years in the past. I have never said that the belief is true. C. Petronius, if I recall correctly, has gone further than I and has in fact expressed the view that the belief is false.

> With

all
due
respect,
I
have
been
in
Nova
Roma
for
nearly
seven
years
and
I

> can

honestly
say
that
the
nundinal
day
(or
lack
thereof)
had
very
little
to

> do

with
the
chaos
that
our
organization
has
suffered
from
during
that
time.

I don't think the nundinae have fallen on Kal. Jan. before since Nova Roma began, have they? In any case, even if the old belief is true, it doesn't mean that chaos only happens in such years! :)

> I

will
admit
that
since
the
year
has
already
begun
and
the
CP
did
not

> declare

the
nundinal
day,
it
would
be
a
bit
late
to
do
it
now.
However,
I
would

> like

to
point
out
that
the
CP
has
already
begun
to
clean
house
(or
stables)
by

> voting

to
put
our
liturgical
calendar
back
in
keeping
with
the
Julian
system.

> It

still
has
a
long
way
to
go
to
make
all
the
necessary
adjustments
to

> insure

that
the
Sacra
et
Religio
are
more
in
keeping
with
the
historically

> correct

methods.

Absolutely. Great strides have been made with respect to the calendar in the last few years, and I applaud the pontifices therefore.

> Keep

in
mind
that
the
CP
is
still
open
to
receiving
applications
for
those

> who

wish
to
become
a
pontifex
or
flamen;
including
those
who
might
have

> previously

held
a
sacred
office
and
resigned
it.
Keep
in
mind
that
anyone
who

> fulfills

the
basic
requirements
may
apply
to
become
a
sacerdos.
The

> reconstruction

of
the
Religio
and
the
cults
of
Dii
Immortales,
Di
Indigetes,
Di

> Consentes,

and
Di
Inferi
are
jobs
that
are
open
to
anyone
who
truly
wants
to
make
a

> contribution.
>
> Based

on
the
example
of
M.
Tullius
Cicero,
we
are
all
aware
that
a
belief
in

> the

Gods
is
not
essential
to
be
of
service
to
Nova
Roma
or
to
hold
a
sacred

> office.

If
a
qualified
applicant
who
has
shown
that
he
or
she
is
willing
to

> work

with
the
CP
and
their
fellow
citizens
wants
a
position,
I
am
willing
to

> review

their
application
with
an
open
mind.

I'm very pleased to hear it. How does a person find out whether he "fulfills the basic requirements"? On a related note, how are we to interpret chapter 9 of the decretum de pontificibus minoribus, which reads, "A candidate for Pontifex Minor must be a practitioner of the Religio Romana"? This is a point that troubled me at the time, and your comments have reminded me of it.

> Let

us
not
get
sidetracked
by
the
stumbles
that
are
made
as
we
move
forward

> because

the
important
point
to
remember
is
not
the
stumble
itself
but
the

> forward

movement
toward
a
more
correct
reconstruction
and
restoration
of
the

> Religio

Romana.

Indeed I wouldn't want anyone to get side-tracked. I hope merely that pointing out their failure to do so this year may encourage the pontifices to issue next year's calendar before next year. But we needn't say any more about it.




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A. Apollonius M. Cornelio sal.

Scripsisti:

> as

one
who
believes
in
the
old
tradition,
before
153
bc
was
not
the

> new

year
started
on
March
15
?
and
if
so
why
do
we
not
use
it
as
NR

> new

year?

I think this is certainly worth considering. It would have practical advantage of removing our perennial problem that annual elections tend to come at the same time as winter holidays.

Scripsit Fl. Galerius:

> However,

it
would
be
very
difficult
to
make
the
necessary
changes
to
move

> the

beginning
of
the
Nova
Roman
new
year
back
to
March.
We
have
many
laws
in

> place

that
would
require
changes
to
fall
in
line
with
your
suggestion.

I
am

> not

saying
that
it
is
not
a
possibility
but
it
is
definitely
something
that
I

> would

consider
of
tertiary
importance
compared
to
other
projects
that
the
CP

> will

have
to
work
on
in
the
next
couple
of
years.

I should point out that actually it would not need to be a project for the collegium pontificum, since it would not necessitate any change to the sacral year. We must, in fact, be careful about how we use terms like 'year' and 'new year'. When you say, M. Corneli, that "the new year started on March 15", what you mean (I think) is that the new magistrates (other than the tribuni and aediles plebis) took office on that date. For other purposes, the year 'started' on other dates.

> If

you
are
really
and
truly
interested
in
such
an
action,
I
would
suggest

> that

you
write
up
a
proposal
that
includes
all
the
leges
that
will
be
necessary

> to

be
changed
to
enact
such
an
action
and
turn
it
over
to
one
of
the
consuls

> for

presentation
to
the
Senate.
Of
course,
you
will
also
need
to
include

> changes

necessary
to
any
SCs,
edicta,
and
decreta
that
would
also
be
needed

> along

with
changes
to
the
NR
Wiki.

I fear that Fl. Galerius is unintentionally making this sound more difficult than it is. A lex does not need to name every other lex, let alone every senatus consultum, edictum, and decretum that is overrules (and definitely not the website, which has no legal force at all!). A lex automatically overrules any previous legislation that contradicts it. As a bare minimum, it would be enough simply to amend chapter IV.A of the lex constitutiva, which currently states that "Elections of the ordinarii shall take place no later than December 15th, and newly-elected officials shall assume their offices on January 1st".

It would, of course, be sensible to find out what impact such a change would have on existing systems and procedures. So Fl. Galerius' suggestion is still a good one. But there would be no need to include such things in the actual text of the proposal, and in fact it would be much better not to include them unless some specific date is mentioned in a lex and needs to be changed. Very few of our leges, however, actually set specific dates that depend on the current Kal. Jan. starting-date.

Finally, I would like to suggest a slightly different approach. It is true that the magistrates used to take office Id. Mar. for much of the republican period. For another substantial period they took office Kal. Jan. At other times they took office on other dates. How did these changes come about? The answer is that there was actual no legally compulsory date on which magistrates had to hand over to their successors. The consules decided when to leave office. In this they were, of course, bound by very strong custom. But they could, and occasionally did, decide to make the magisterial year shorter or longer than a year.

When you consider this, you will see that a constitutional amendment saying "Elections of the ordinarii shall take place no later than February 28th, and newly-elected officials shall assume their offices on March 15th" would be just as un-Roman as the current law. If we really wanted to be Roman about it, we'd completely remove those dates from the statute-book and allow the consules to decide, as they used to.



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G. Petronius Dexter Fl. Galerio Aureliano S.P.D.

You wrote :

> A. Apollonius and C. Petronius have written that the CP cannot change

the

> nundinal day letter because the first of the year has come and gone.

That if

> the CP changes it now then we will have chaos and a bad year for the

Republic.

When I spoke about chaos, it was about the nundinae comput. If the CP
change the nundinal letter, he will trouble all the string of the
nundinae. The CP cannot change this letter now.

G. Petronius Dexter.

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M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos inculumes custodiant

Hodie est ante diem IIII Nonas Februarias; haec dies fastus aterque
est: sacra Junonis Februae

On this day, for Juno Februa of the door, Romans would place roasted
spelt and salt on their doorsills, outside the door, along with
offerings of milk, honey, and water, perhaps a lighted lamp.

"These are the Principles of Law: to live honestly, to harm no one,
and to give each his due." ~ Gaius, De Institutiones Justiniani 1.2


Plutarch, Roman Question 25:

"Why do they reckon the day that follows the Kalends, the Nones, or
the Ides as unsuitable for leaving home or travel?

"Is it, as most authorities think and as Livy records, that on the
day after the Ides of Quintilis, which they now call Julius, the
military tribunes led out the army, and were vanquished in battle by
the Gauls at the river Allia and lost the City? (18 July 390 BCE.)
But when the day after the Ides had come to be regarded as ill-
omened, did superstition, as is its wont, extend the custom further,
and involve in the same circumspection the day after the Nones and
the day after the Kalends as well?

"Or does this refer to many my irrational assumptions? For it was on
a different day that they were defeated in battle, a day which they
call dies Alliensis from the river, and makes a dread day of
expiation; and although they have many ill-omened days, they do not
observe them under the same names in each month, but each in the
month in which it occurs; and it is thus quite incredible that the
superstition should have attached itself simply to all days that
follow immediately after the Nones or the Kalends.

"Consider the following analogy. Just as they have dedicated the
first month to the Gods of Olympus, and the second, in which they
perform certain rites of purification and sacrifice to the departed,
to the gods of the lower world, so also in regard to the days of the
month they have establish three as festive and holy (Kalends, Nonse,
and Idus), as I have stated, which are, as it were, fundamental and
sovereign days, but the days which follow immediately they have
dedicated to the spirits and the dead, and have come to regard them
as ill-omened and unsuitable for business. In fact, the Greeks
worship the Gods on the day of the New Moon (like the Kalends); the
next day they have duly assigned to the heroes and spirits, and the
second bowl of wine is mixed honor of the heroes and heroines. And
speaking generally, time is a sort of number; and the beginning
number is divine, for it is the Monad. But after it is the dyad,
antagonistic to the beginning number, and the first of the even
numbers. The even numbers are imperfect, incomplete, and
indeterminate, just as the odd numbers are determinate, completing,
and perfect. Wherefore in like manner, the Nones succeed the Kalends
as an interval of five days and the Ides succeed the Nones at an
interval of nine days. For the odd numbers define the beginnings,
but the even numbers, since they occur after the beginnings, have no
position nor power; therefore on these days they do not begin any
business and travel."

"Verrius Flaccus, in the fourth book of his work De Verborum
Significatu writes that the days immediately following the Kalends,
Nones, and Ides, which the vulgar ignorantly declare to be nefastus,
are properly called and considered ill-omened for this reason: When
the City, he says, had been recovered from the Senonian Gauls, Lucius
Atilius stated in the Senate that Quintus Sulpicius, tribune of the
soldiers, when on the eve of fighting against the Gauls at the Allia,
offered sacrifice in anticipation of the battle on the day after the
Ides; that the army of the Roman people was thereupon cut to pieces,
and three days later the whole City, except the Capital, was taken.
Also many other senators said that they remembered that whenever with
a view to waging war a magistrate of the Roman people had sacrificed
on the day after the Kalends, Nones, or Ides, in the very next battle
of the war the State had suffered a disaster. Then the Senate
referred the matter to the pontifices, that they might take what
action they saw fit. The pontifices decreed that no sacrifice would
properly be made on those days." ~ Gellius, Noctium Atticarum 5.17.1-2


Our thought for today comes from the Discours of Epictetus 3.10.2:

Let sleep not come upon thy languid eyes
Before each daily action thou hast scann'd;
What's done amiss, what done, what left undone;
From first to last examine all, and then
Blame what is wrong, in what is right rejoice.

Ex officio consularis.

I. In conformity with Nova Roma Constitution V. C:

"The Senate may, by Senatus Consultum, create provinciae for
administrative purposes and appoint provincial governors therefore,
who shall bear such titles as the Senate may deem appropriate. The
Senate may review each governor on a yearly basis and it remains in
the discretion of the Senate whether or not to prorogue such
governors, although this review shall not constitute a ban on the
authority of the Senate to remove governors from office as its
discretion. Governors shall have the following honors, powers, and
obligations:
1.To hold imperium and have the honor of being preceded by six
lictors solely within the jurisdiction of their respective
provinciae;
2. To proclaim those edicta (edicts) necessary to engage in those
tasks which advance the mission and function of Nova Roma, solely
within the jurisdiction of their provinciae (such edicts being
binding upon themselves as well as others);
3. To manage the day-to-day organization and administration of their
provinciae;
4. To appoint officers to whom authority may be delegated, subject
to those restrictions and standards as the Senate shall deem
appropriate;
5. To remove officers whom they have appointed, or make changes to
their titles and/or delegated authority, subject to those
restrictions and standards as the Senate shall deem appropriate."

I call for candidates to stand for the office of governor of Nova
Roman provinces. The Nova Roman Senate will appoint the governors at
its own discretion during the next Senate session.

II. Candidates should be citizens, assiduii and meet all the
requirements stipulated by the laws of Nova Roma:

http://tinyurl.com.au/x.php?ifr
http://tinyurl.com.au/x.php?6de

The statement of governors who indicated in the annual report to
Senate their wish to be prorogued for another term of office is
already registered.
Citizens who apply for governorship for the first time must present
in their statement of candidacy a brief description of their
activities and experience within Nova Roma.

III. Nova Roma provinces list can be found at this address:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_%28Nova_Roma%29

I encourage citizens from the following provinces without governor
to contact the consuls for more information. These provinces are:
- Argentina.
- Britannia.
- California.
- Hibernia.
- Sarmatia.
- Venedia.

IV. I accept statements of candidacy beginning today, 2nd of
February until 12th of February, 24.00 Roma time, 2761 a.U.c.

Send your statement of candidacy to this address:

Consuls@...

Novi Romani!

The governor of a province is the first person in contact with
citizens from province. Together with his citizens a governor can
transform a province in a very active one, organizing real events
and meetings, developing local and inter-provinces projects,
contacting public institutions or organizations with roman related
interest and, of course, raising citizens.

This year of 10th anniversary of Nova Roma let's have one province,
one governor!
This year of 10th anniversary of Nova Roma let's do from our
provinces a model of Nova Roma image around the world.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Consul

Equestria Iunia Laeca quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram, et
semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca, officio Curatricis Aerarii Novae Romae accepto,
deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et
virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse iuro.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam defensuram,
et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti
capiat iuro.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca, officiis muneris Curatricis Aerarii me quam
optime functuram esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Curatricis Aerarii una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

-----------------------

"I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle),
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Curatrix Aerarii
(Financial Officer) to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Curatrix Aerarii (Financial Officer) and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."


a.d. IV Non. Feb. M. Moravio T. Iulio cos. MMDCCLXI a.u.c.

Valetudo quod fortuna omnes;

Yesterday (Feb 2nd) marked the 30th anniversary of the day that Annia
Ulleria (alias Anita) said she would go out with me.

We have been together ever since, being wed on 26 June 1982.

The road has been bumpy at times and we show some scars from the
ordeals, but there has never been a thought that we could do as well
apart from each other as we do together.

May That Which Each Holds Holy bless your lives so.
---------------------------------------------------

No more black outs these past 2 weeks. No cause has been isolated,
but my overall health seems acceptable to my doctor. An MRI is still
to come and possibly an evaluation at a sleep clinic.

It looks like with a bit more care for myself, I'll be around for
quite some more years.

I wish to thank very deeply all those who have sent me well-wishes.
It gladdens my heart so, that so many have a fondness for me and what
I have done for our Republic.

I shall always strive to earn that from you.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/stefnullarsson
http://ullarsskald01.Writing.Com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Dum tempus habemus operemur bonum

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Februarias; haec dies nefastus est.

"When half of Leo and all of Canis have set, then Corus, or
Septentrio, sometimes Favonius, begin to arrive." ~ Columella, De Re
Rustica 9.2.13

"During the latter days of this period, whenever the nature of the
weather will allow it, the ground should be turned up with the double
mattock, for planting the rose and the vine – sixty men to a
iugerum. Ditches, too, should be cleared out, or new ones made; and
the time of day-break may be usefully employed in sharpening iron
tools, fitting on handles, repairing such dolia wine vats as may have
been broken, and rubbing and cleaning their staves." ~ Plinius
Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.64


AUC 354 / 399 BCE: the first Lectisternium

"The year (399 BCE) was remarkable for such a cold and snowy winter
that the roads were blocked and the Tiber rendered unnavigableÂ… In
consequence either of the unhealthy weather occasioned by the sudden
change from cold to heat, or from some other cause, the severe winter
was followed by a pestilential summer, which proved fatal to man and
beast. As neither a cause nor a cure could be found for its fatal
ravages, the Senate ordered the Sibylline Oracle to be consulted. The
Duoviri sacris faciudis who had charge of them appointed for the
first time in Rome that a lectisternium be performed. Apollo and
Latona, Diana and Hercules, Mercury and Neptune were for eight days
propitiated on three couches decked with the most magnificent
coverlets that could be obtained. Solemnities were conducted also in
private houses. It is stated that throughout the City the front gates
of the houses were thrown open and all sorts of things placed for
general use in the open courts, all comers, whether acquaintances or
strangers, being brought in to share the hospitality. Men who had
been enemies held friendly and sociable conversations with each other
and abstained from all litigation, the manacles even were removed
from prisoners during this period, and afterwards it seemed an act of
impiety that men to whom the Gods had brought such relief should be
put in chains again." ~ Titus Livius 5.13


Our thought for day comes from the Vatican Sayings 5, by Epicurus:

"It is not possible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and
honorably and justly, and it is not possible to live wisely and
honorably and justly without living pleasantly. Whenever any one of
these is lacking, when, for instance, the man is not able to live
wisely, though he lives honorably and justly, it is impossible for
him to live a pleasant life."

Salvete optime, mi Venator et Annia Ulleria

Gratulor vos et optimam Fortunam exopto.

A Happy Anniversary then, and may you enjoy many more together.

Good news on your health; I shall spread it among your friends
abroad. Ericius, too, is doing well, recoverying from surgery,
stumbling into things, being as ornery as ever, but now with an
excuse to be.

Curate ut valeatis

Piscinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stefn Ullerius Venator
Piperbarbus" <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

>
> Valetudo quod fortuna omnes;
>
> Yesterday (Feb 2nd) marked the 30th anniversary of the day that

Annia

> Ulleria (alias Anita) said she would go out with me.
>
> We have been together ever since, being wed on 26 June 1982.
>
> The road has been bumpy at times and we show some scars from the
> ordeals, but there has never been a thought that we could do as well
> apart from each other as we do together.
>
> May That Which Each Holds Holy bless your lives so.
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> No more black outs these past 2 weeks. No cause has been isolated,
> but my overall health seems acceptable to my doctor. An MRI is

still

> to come and possibly an evaluation at a sleep clinic.
>
> It looks like with a bit more care for myself, I'll be around for
> quite some more years.
>
> I wish to thank very deeply all those who have sent me well-wishes.
> It gladdens my heart so, that so many have a fondness for me and

what

> I have done for our Republic.
>
> I shall always strive to earn that from you.
>
> =========================================
> In amicitia quod fides -
> Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
> Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor
>
> Religio Septentrionalis - Poet
>
> Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
>
> http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
> http://www.myspace.com/stefnullarsson
> http://ullarsskald01.Writing.Com/
> http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
> http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
> --
> May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
> May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
> May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
>

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M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

While doing my wikimagister thing I was looking into all the different
publications that have come out of the Nova Roma community. I was
reminded of this very nice news service from Gallia:
http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/

Coming shortly after the recent discussions here, I was amazed to find
this: "First Dec. 25 Xmas Tied to Pagan Shrine: Italian Expert Links
First Dec. 25 Christmas Celebration to Pagan Wolf Shrine of Ancient
Rome" http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4043239

The rate at which new discoveries come to light, and new theories are
proposed is really astounding. Thanks to Sextus Apollonius Scipio in
Gallia who makes this service possible. I recommend it to all.

Optime valete in cura deorum!

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex et flamen Carmentalis: L.
Equitio Cincinnato Auguri, flamen Martialis, Pontifi, et Auguri, M.
Cassio Iuliano, Pontifici Maximo, Pontificibus, Maximae Valeriae
Messallinae, Virgoni Vestalis Maximae: salutem plurimam dicit:

NOTICE: Intent to Convene the Collegium Pontificum

I hereby give a second period of twenty-four hour notice and announce
a Convening of the Collegium Pontificum under the DECRETUM DE RATIONE
PONTIFICUM COLLEGII, Part II, dated a. d. VII Kalendas DECEMBRIS AUC
MMDCCLIV, that beginning on AUC MMDCCLXI a. d. pristini die Nonae
Februariae, dies Lunae hora VIII bona Iovis, i. e. 14.00 hrs CET,
Roma, Italy (Monday 3rd February, 2008 at 08.00 hrs EST) the
Collegium is to assemble.

Discussion of Agenda Items shall proceed as defined under the
Decretum Part III for a period of not less than forty-five hours,
until AUC MMDCCLXI Nonae Februariae, dies Mercuri hora VII Lunae
communis, i. e. 13.00 hrs CET, Rome, Italy (Weds.6th February, 2008,
at 07.00 hrs EST).

Voting shall immediately follow and conclude after a period of forty-
nine hours (49), in accordance with the Decretum Part IV, on AUC
MMDCCLXI a. d. VI Idus Februariae at Veneri hora VIII bona Lunae, i.
e. 14.00 hrs CET, Rome, Italy (Friday 8th February, 2008, at 08.00
hrs EST).


The Items to be voted on are the following:


VOTING AGENDA

The Collegium Pontificum hereby:

ITEM I: Approves Reform Measure I:

Decretum De Decretis Collegium Pontificum

1 The Collegium Pontificum may administer its own internal affairs by
issuing a decretum (pl. decreta).

2 The Collegium Pontificum may issue a decretum directing a priest or
priestess in his or her duties. Decreta of the Collegium Pontificum
bear the weight of religious law (fas) among the various priesthoods.
Should a priest or priestess fail to comply with a decretum issued by
the Collegium Pontificum, the Pontifex Maximus or any Pontifex may
bring the matter before a Praetor, seeking a fine against the priest
or priestess, or his or her removal from the priesthood.

3 The whole Collegium of the Rex and Regina Sacrorum, the Flamines
Maiores and Flaminicae Maiores, Pontifex Maximus, Virgo Vestalis
Maxima, and Pontifices Maiores may vote on a decretum (pl. decreta).
Pontifices Minores may voice their opinions on the issue of a
decretum.

4 The usual procedures used to call the Collegium into session shall
apply when a decretum is submitted for consideration by members of
the Collegium Pontificum.

5. No decretum shall be issued within the first seventy-two (72)
hours from the time when an issue is first presented to the Collegium
for deliberation. During that time any member of the Collegium may
request, in the same forum where it was presented, or mailing list, a
delay so that the question can be discussed by all members who wish
to participate in the deliberations of the Collegium.

4. If after the seventy-two (72) hours have passed and no member of
the Collegium has requested a delay, any member of the Collegium may
issue an opinion on the issue to be considered, and thereby begin the
deliberations of the Collegium. Once begun, all members who wish to
provide his or her opinion shall have forty-eight (48) hours to
respond. Presenting an opinion shall constitute a vote on the issue.

5. After forty-eight hours (48) have transpired, with the conclusion
of the Collegium's deliberations, it shall be determined what is the
majority opinion on the issue(s) presented. From among those who
joined on the majority opinion, one shall be selected to write the
majority opinion, and thus the decision of the Collegium Pontificum.
From among those members who did not join in agreement with the
majority decision, one may be selected to write a minority opinion.

6. The majority opinion on an issue shall thus become the decretum of
the Collegium as a whole. The decretum, as well as the minority
opinion that shall be attached to the majority opinion, shall be
recorded to the Acta Pontificum


ITEM II: Approves the application of Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus as
sacerdos Concordiae

ITEM III: Approves the application of Marcus Moravius Piscinus as
Augur.

ITEM IV: Approves the application of Titus Iulius Sabinus as sacerdos
Mercurialis

ITEM V: Approves the application of Sextus Lucilius Tutor for
Camillus Program under the direction of Pontifex M Moravius Piscinus
Horatianus.


Di immortales faciant – tam felix quam pia.

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Consul: T. Iulio Sabino Consuli
collegae, Senatoribus Patribus Mátribusque Conscriptís, viris
clarissimis et castissimae mulieribus, Populo Novae Romae,
Quiritibus, et omnibus: salutem plurimam dicit:

Minerva sapientiam in nos infundat.


At the conclusion of voting in the January session of the Senate, the
senior Consul retained the Senate in an extended session, where, for
the first time in its history, the Senate met as the Board of
Directors of Nova Roma, Incoporated.

With thirty (30) Members of the Board of Directors casting their
ballots, without any dissenting votes, all resolutions passed by
unanimous decisions:


Resolution One (1):

"Resolved: that the Board of Directors of Nova Roma, Inc. hereby
names [Equestria Iunia Laeca] of Salem, CT, Chief Financial Officer
of Nova Roma, Inc. for a term lasting two years and one month, from 1
Feb. 2008 until 1 March 2010. In the event that the Board of Directors
does not appoint another Chief Financial Officer prior to 1 March
2010, [Equestria Iunia Laeca]of Salem, CT, shall be eligible to act
in the capacity of Chief Financial Officer of Nova Roma, Inc. under
the direction of the corporate Presidents until such time as the
Board of Directors either confirms her in office or replaces her with
another as Chief Financial Officer. This appointment may be
superceded by a later resolution of the Board of Directors for Nova
Roma, Inc."


Resolution Two (2):

"Resolved: that the Board of Directors of Nova Roma, Inc. hereby
appoints [Ti. Galerius Paullus]of New Market, MD, to act as a
Financial Officer for a term of two years and one month, beginning 1
Feb. 2008 and lasting until 28 Feb. 2010.

"Further, the Board of Directors for Nova Roma, Inc. hereby appoints
[Cn. Equitius Marinus] of Pasadena, MD, to act as a Financial Officer
for a term of one year and one month, beginning 1 Feb. 2008 and
lasting until 28 Feb. 2009."


Resolution Three (3):

Resolved: that the Board of Directors of Nova Roma, Inc. hereby
authorize as signatories to corporate banking accounts:

[Equestria Iunia Laeca]of Salem, CT, and
[Ti. Galerius Paullus]of New Market, MD,

And as an alternate signatory:

[Cn. Equitius Marinus] of Pasadena, MD,


Personal information has been edited for the purpose of this
announcement; the resolutions held by corporate officers for public
viewing.

Salve M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex
Marcus Cornelius Felix sends greeting.

I was asking about ITEM IV: Approves the application of Titus Iulius
Sabinus as sacerdos
Mercurialis

what is his fill title to be ? just sacerdos
Mercurialis or also( i I am still to be )or the only Sacerdos Templi
Mercurius?

as I am at this time Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

now mind you I think Titus Iulius Sabinus would be a great sacerdos
Mercurialis

I was just starting to write my feb report to the CM on sacerdotes
supplies costs for both my offices for costs i will be haveing in feb.
so if I am no longer going be to be the only Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
or not even hold the office of sacerdos
Mercurialis i would like someone to send me a e-mail about this ?
If I am still to be Sacerdos Templi Mercurius who is the head priest?
or would we be at the same level
and if i am still to be in office why did no-one ask me about Titus
Iulius Sabinus? even if your guys are getting rid of me I would have
said he will be good in that office


I have a lot of things in the works re: the Templi Mercurius and need
to know if I should
stop them

my thanks for your time

Marcus Cornlius Felix
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

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Salve M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex
Marcus Cornelius Felix sends greeting.

I was asking about ITEM IV: Approves the application of Titus Iulius
Sabinus as sacerdos
Mercurialis

what is his fill title to be ? just sacerdos
Mercurialis or also( i I am still to be )or the only Sacerdos Templi
Mercurius?

as I am at this time Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

now mind you I think Titus Iulius Sabinus would be a great sacerdos
Mercurialis

I was just starting to write my feb report to the CM on sacerdotes
supplies costs for both my offices for costs i will be haveing in feb.
so if I am no longer going be to be the only Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
or not even hold the office of sacerdos
Mercurialis i would like someone to send me a e-mail about this ?
If I am still to be Sacerdos Templi Mercurius who is the head priest?
or would we be at the same level
and if i am still to be in office why did no-one ask me about Titus
Iulius Sabinus? even if your guys are getting rid of me I would have
said he will be good in that office

I have a lot of things in the works re: the Templi Mercurius and need
to know if I should
stop them

my thanks for your time

Marcus Cornlius Felix
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

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Salve,


I was glad to hear of your good health. I hope that you will indeed be
around for a long time.

To your health

To your fortune


Cheers!


Vale,

M. Hirtius Ahenobarbus

Salvete:

There can be more than one sacerdos to a particular God or Goddess.
The only exception to this are those priesthoods that have only one
(i.e., the various flamen for example) or a limited number (i.e.,
pontifices and augures). But of the sacerdotes they are independent
of one another and answer directly to the Collegium Pontificum.

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
Pontifex

On Feb 3, 2008 9:12 AM, vallenporter <vallenporter@...> wrote:
>

> Salve M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex
> Marcus Cornelius Felix sends greeting.
>
> I was asking about ITEM IV: Approves the application of Titus Iulius
> Sabinus as sacerdos
> Mercurialis
>
> what is his fill title to be ? just sacerdos
> Mercurialis or also( i I am still to be )or the only Sacerdos Templi
> Mercurius?
>
> as I am at this time Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
>
> now mind you I think Titus Iulius Sabinus would be a great sacerdos
> Mercurialis
>
> I was just starting to write my feb report to the CM on sacerdotes
> supplies costs for both my offices for costs i will be haveing in feb.
> so if I am no longer going be to be the only Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> or not even hold the office of sacerdos
> Mercurialis i would like someone to send me a e-mail about this ?
> If I am still to be Sacerdos Templi Mercurius who is the head priest?
> or would we be at the same level
> and if i am still to be in office why did no-one ask me about Titus
> Iulius Sabinus? even if your guys are getting rid of me I would have
> said he will be good in that office
>
> I have a lot of things in the works re: the Templi Mercurius and need
> to know if I should
> stop them
>
> my thanks for your time
>
> Marcus Cornlius Felix
> Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

Salvete;
I notice this gets rid of the quorum requirements and allows women,
the Vestals to vote. I hope this jump-starts the CP. I would like to
see it active again.

Especially in matters of teaching; so cultores can honour the gods.
valete
M. Hortensia Maior

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete;
> I notice this gets rid of the quorum requirements and allows women,
> the Vestals to vote. I hope this jump-starts the CP. I would like to
> see it active again.
>
> Especially in matters of teaching; so cultores can honour the gods.
> valete
> M. Hortensia Maior
>

Greeting
in the matters of teaching the CM and the PM have said many many many
times that thats the job of the priesthoods ( Priest of jove ) Not the
CM or the PM.
so you will hope for not as they will not as the CM or the PM teach.

LOL

M.C. felix sometime priest of a trade/mesger God here about

Salvete Felix;
this is just what I was talking about. The old CP & PM did not read
up on the latest scholarship, their understanding was wrongly based on
judeo-christian models.

So in Republican Rome, the Collegium Pontificum provided magistrates
with ritual texts, helped them conduct ritual, and when the Senate
asked, gave advice.

Priests, sacerdotes, performed rituals at their temples, but also any
cultor or cultrix can equally perform a ritual to any god(s). They are
the sacerdos of their own familiy cultus! Ancient Roman religion
wasn't hierarchical.

I recommend a wonderful book Beard & North "Religions of Rome" vols. 1
& 2. Prof Mary Beard of Oxford has done a great job about explaining
Roman attitudes to religion and politics. Also John Scheid 'Roman
Religion.'
here is a link to a great reading list:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_the_cultus_deorum

bene vale
M. Hortensia Maior
producer 'Vox Romana' podcast
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Vox_Romana

> Greeting
> in the matters of teaching the CM and the PM have said many many many
> times that thats the job of the priesthoods ( Priest of jove ) Not

the

> CM or the PM.
> so you will hope for not as they will not as the CM or the PM teach.
>
> LOL
>
> M.C. felix sometime priest of a trade/mesger God here about
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
>
> Salvete Felix;
> this is just what I was talking about. The old CP & PM did not read
> up on the latest scholarship, their understanding was wrongly based on
> judeo-christian models.
>
> So in Republican Rome, the Collegium Pontificum provided magistrates
> with ritual texts, helped them conduct ritual, and when the Senate
> asked, gave advice.

Salve
But lady the CP and the PM will not do as you wish.
in my case I get no help from the CP and PM on ritual texts, helped
them conduct ritual or any info on the clut i am priest of let alone
any "latest scholarship" and most of the latest scholarship is not all
of one mind on the roman ritual etc.
so you have your "latest scholarship ritual" and I have what I think
is the best and greatest latest scholarship and they do not say the
same think on many levels of roman ritual etc. and the CP and PM likes
this! we do not have one set of ritual rules we have a set with each
of the temples and they are very much not the same group set at all.
the CP is not teaching at all has never doon any will not that i see
for the next 5 years, you are out of luck.
vale Marcus Cornelius Felix
sometime priest here-about of and God of trade/and mesger for the
Other Gods

>
> Priests, sacerdotes, performed rituals at their temples, but also any
> cultor or cultrix can equally perform a ritual to any god(s). They are
> the sacerdos of their own familiy cultus! Ancient Roman religion
> wasn't hierarchical.
>
> I recommend a wonderful book Beard & North "Religions of Rome" vols. 1
> & 2. Prof Mary Beard of Oxford has done a great job about explaining
> Roman attitudes to religion and politics. Also John Scheid 'Roman
> Religion.'
> here is a link to a great reading list:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_the_cultus_deorum
>
> bene vale
> M. Hortensia Maior
> producer 'Vox Romana' podcast
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Vox_Romana
>
> > Greeting
> > in the matters of teaching the CM and the PM have said many many many
> > times that thats the job of the priesthoods ( Priest of jove ) Not
> the
> > CM or the PM.
> > so you will hope for not as they will not as the CM or the PM teach.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > M.C. felix sometime priest of a trade/mesger God here about
> >
>

Maior Quiritibus spd;
the post below from another thread, despite the writer's
misunderstandings [he thinks the CP is like the medieval Vatican],
puts it well

'I get no help from the CP and the PM'..
'the CP is not teaching at all has never doon any will not that i see
for the next 5 years, you are out of luck.'

why?

bene valete
M. Hortensia Maior
producer 'Vox Romana' podcast
Read these articles in the NRwiki:
Lar
Penates
Liber
Magna Mater
Cultus Apollonis
Sol
Fortuna
online temple to: Fortuna.
Saturnalia
Reading list for the cultus deorum
Roman laws
Venus
Egeria
Children (Nova Roma)
Epicurus, Epicureans
Reading list for philosophy





Salve

> But lady the CP and the PM will not do as you wish.
> in my case I get no help from the CP and PM on ritual texts, helped
> them conduct ritual or any info on the clut i am priest of let

alone

> any "latest scholarship" and most of the latest scholarship is not

all

> of one mind on the roman ritual etc.
> so you have your "latest scholarship ritual" and I have what I

think

> is the best and greatest latest scholarship and they do not say the
> same think on many levels of roman ritual etc. and the CP and PM

likes

> this! we do not have one set of ritual rules we have a set with

each

> of the temples and they are very much not the same group set at

all.

> the CP is not teaching at all has never doon any will not that i

see

> for the next 5 years, you are out of luck.
> vale Marcus Cornelius Felix
> sometime priest here-about of and God of trade/and mesger for the
> Other Gods

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

 

The statement from Marcus Cornelius Felix about the CP not teaching is incorrect.  M. Cornelius Felix has a propensity to complain more about a lack of financial support from NR and researching tax codes than making contributions to the restoration of his God's cultus.

 

The inference from Marca Hortensia Maior about the "old CP and PM" not engaging in the any of the latest scholarship and based their models on Judeo-Christianity is also incorrect.  I would be greatly obliged for her to consider the previous work of Astvr, Modianus, Hadrianus, Piscinus, Metellus Pius, and myself who are (or were) all members of the "old CP."

 

Valete.

 

 

 

-Salvete:
I certainly commended the 2006 CP historical Reform. If we had it
now we'd be in excellent shape.
Right now the CP is embarrassingly ahistorical and the PM does nil.
I hope for change and I sincerely hope from the bottom of my heart
that you now as a pontiff are too.
bene valete in pacem deorum
Maior

> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.
>
> The statement from Marcus Cornelius Felix about the CP not

teaching is

> incorrect. M. Cornelius Felix has a propensity to complain more

about a lack of

> financial support from NR and researching tax codes than making

contributions

> to the restoration of his God's cultus.
>
> The inference from Marca Hortensia Maior about the "old CP and PM"

not

> engaging in the any of the latest scholarship and based their

models on

> Judeo-Christianity is also incorrect. I would be greatly obliged

for her to consider

> the previous work of Astvr, Modianus, Hadrianus, Piscinus,

Metellus Pius, and

> myself who are (or were) all members of the "old CP."
>
> Valete.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL

Music.

> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?

NCID=aolcmp003000000025

> 48)
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

>
> Maior Quiritibus spd;
> the post below from another thread, despite the writer's
> misunderstandings [he thinks the CP is like the medieval Vatican],
> puts it well
>
> 'I get no help from the CP and the PM'..
> 'the CP is not teaching at all has never doon any will not that i see
> for the next 5 years, you are out of luck.'
>
> why?

cus thats what the CP says to any new priest that they ( the CP) will
not do the job of the priest .
thats what they have said for for 10 years. we the prisets have to go
out there and do the work. as the CP is to busy to help
Why is that so hard for you to get thru your head?
there will be no teach from the CP.
I had hoped they would do more but that hope dieed over 4 years ago.
also lots of priest post here ( other then me.)
do you know how many times i been asked in email for help from my office
in all the time I have been a priest all of 20 people have e-mailed me
abouyt the rites etc that less then one a month.
I posted many time here and other says i was here to help and only get
one reply most times
I get more reply and people emailing me each thanksgiveing when i send
out a ivent to all to come have dinner with me.

I no longer hold meeting in my city as the only people to show are
neo-pagani who yell at me about not doing the wiccan " do it harm none
BS" and call the 4 QT etc.

>
> bene valete
> M. Hortensia Maior
> producer 'Vox Romana' podcast
> Read these articles in the NRwiki:
> Lar
> Penates
> Liber
> Magna Mater
> Cultus Apollonis
> Sol
> Fortuna
> online temple to: Fortuna.
> Saturnalia
> Reading list for the cultus deorum
> Roman laws
> Venus
> Egeria
> Children (Nova Roma)
> Epicurus, Epicureans
> Reading list for philosophy
>
>
>
>
>
> Salve
> > But lady the CP and the PM will not do as you wish.
> > in my case I get no help from the CP and PM on ritual texts, helped
> > them conduct ritual or any info on the clut i am priest of let
> alone
> > any "latest scholarship" and most of the latest scholarship is not
> all
> > of one mind on the roman ritual etc.
> > so you have your "latest scholarship ritual" and I have what I
> think
> > is the best and greatest latest scholarship and they do not say the
> > same think on many levels of roman ritual etc. and the CP and PM
> likes
> > this! we do not have one set of ritual rules we have a set with
> each
> > of the temples and they are very much not the same group set at
> all.
> > the CP is not teaching at all has never doon any will not that i
> see
> > for the next 5 years, you are out of luck.
> > vale Marcus Cornelius Felix
> > sometime priest here-about of and God of trade/and mesger for the
> > Other Gods
>

Aurelianus Maior sal.

The 2006 Reform had serious flaws that would have done little to
insure that the Four Sacred Colleges would have fulfilled their
traditional functions. It seriously lacked moderation considering
the size of Nova Roma.

While I am quite sure that the matter will come up again before the
CP for discussion, there will still need to be discussion and
compromise to insure that it serves the Senate and People of Nova
Roma in their goal to restore the Religio Romana and the Pax Deorum
rather than merely creating a top heavy priesthood without legitimate
functions.

There is still the matter of the priestly books to consider which was
not sufficiently addressed by the 2006 Reform proposal.

Be assured that as a pontifex, peace and progress are foremost among
my goals. As are fighting against perpetuating falsehoods, deceit,
and demagoguery.

Vale.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> -Salvete:
> I certainly commended the 2006 CP historical Reform. If we had it
> now we'd be in excellent shape.
> Right now the CP is embarrassingly ahistorical and the PM does
nil.
> I hope for change and I sincerely hope from the bottom of my heart
> that you now as a pontiff are too.
> bene valete in pacem deorum
> Maior
>
> > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.
> >
> > The statement from Marcus Cornelius Felix about the CP not
> teaching is
> > incorrect. M. Cornelius Felix has a propensity to complain more
> about a lack of
> > financial support from NR and researching tax codes than making
> contributions
> > to the restoration of his God's cultus.
> >
> > The inference from Marca Hortensia Maior about the "old CP and
PM"
> not
> > engaging in the any of the latest scholarship and based their
> models on
> > Judeo-Christianity is also incorrect. I would be greatly obliged
> for her to consider
> > the previous work of Astvr, Modianus, Hadrianus, Piscinus,
> Metellus Pius, and
> > myself who are (or were) all members of the "old CP."
> >
> > Valete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL
> Music.
> > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?
> NCID=aolcmp003000000025
> > 48)
> >
>

-Maior Aureliano spd;
interesting. Feel free to discuss the problems you have with the
Reform Bill here in the forum.
There are many knowledgeble and interested cultores here who can
contribute; after all we are the people who you are talking about
serving!

Actually Cordus, had a good point of view about political offices
that could not be filled; he said leave them empty until there are
suitable candidates. So that, could serve equally well for the
various priesthoods and offices.

The priestly books are interesting. Are you talking about the
Commentarii? The sibylline books, I think Vedius is supposed to be
doing that job of restoring them.

I look forward to conversing with you here in the forum. It's great
for the pontiffs to be here and explain what is happening.
bene valete in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior

>
> Aurelianus Maior sal.
>
> The 2006 Reform had serious flaws that would have done little to
> insure that the Four Sacred Colleges would have fulfilled their
> traditional functions. It seriously lacked moderation considering
> the size of Nova Roma.
>
> While I am quite sure that the matter will come up again before

the

> CP for discussion, there will still need to be discussion and
> compromise to insure that it serves the Senate and People of Nova
> Roma in their goal to restore the Religio Romana and the Pax

Deorum

> rather than merely creating a top heavy priesthood without

legitimate

> functions.
>
> There is still the matter of the priestly books to consider which

was

> not sufficiently addressed by the 2006 Reform proposal.
>
> Be assured that as a pontifex, peace and progress are foremost

among

> my goals. As are fighting against perpetuating falsehoods,

deceit,

> and demagoguery.
>
> Vale.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > -Salvete:
> > I certainly commended the 2006 CP historical Reform. If we had

it

> > now we'd be in excellent shape.
> > Right now the CP is embarrassingly ahistorical and the PM does
> nil.
> > I hope for change and I sincerely hope from the bottom of my

heart

> > that you now as a pontiff are too.
> > bene valete in pacem deorum
> > Maior
> >
> > > Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.
> > >
> > > The statement from Marcus Cornelius Felix about the CP not
> > teaching is
> > > incorrect. M. Cornelius Felix has a propensity to complain

more

> > about a lack of
> > > financial support from NR and researching tax codes than

making

> > contributions
> > > to the restoration of his God's cultus.
> > >
> > > The inference from Marca Hortensia Maior about the "old CP and
> PM"
> > not
> > > engaging in the any of the latest scholarship and based their
> > models on
> > > Judeo-Christianity is also incorrect. I would be greatly

obliged

> > for her to consider
> > > the previous work of Astvr, Modianus, Hadrianus, Piscinus,
> > Metellus Pius, and
> > > myself who are (or were) all members of the "old CP."
> > >
> > > Valete.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on

AOL

> > Music.
> > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?
> > NCID=aolcmp003000000025
> > > 48)
> > >
> >
>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Fl. Galerio Aureliano salutem dicit

The Religio Reform of 2006 did not have "serious flaws." It wasn't
perfect but there where no serious flaws. Your criticism of the
Reform is because it doesn't fit your vision of what Nova Roma should
strive towards. I have agreed to about every one of your points, and
a compromise on the reform could easily be had. However, it still
remains the single most ambitious effort to inject energy into a
failing institution of Nova Roma -- the Collegium Pontificum. Having
been a part of the Collegium Pontificum since 2002 I have not seen
much of use come out of it. What is seriously flawed is what we have
NOW!

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Feb 4, 2008 1:35 AM, Patrick D. Owen <Patrick.Owen@...> wrote:
>
> Aurelianus Maior sal.
>
> The 2006 Reform had serious flaws that would have done little to
> insure that the Four Sacred Colleges would have fulfilled their
> traditional functions. It seriously lacked moderation considering
> the size of Nova Roma.
>
> While I am quite sure that the matter will come up again before the
> CP for discussion, there will still need to be discussion and
> compromise to insure that it serves the Senate and People of Nova
> Roma in their goal to restore the Religio Romana and the Pax Deorum
> rather than merely creating a top heavy priesthood without legitimate
> functions.
>
> There is still the matter of the priestly books to consider which was
> not sufficiently addressed by the 2006 Reform proposal.
>
> Be assured that as a pontifex, peace and progress are foremost among
> my goals. As are fighting against perpetuating falsehoods, deceit,
> and demagoguery.
>
> Vale.

Aed. cur. Albucius omnibus s.d.


Just to remind you all that you may naturally compete, for our coming
Lupercalenses Feb. 15-17 as for every Ludi 2761, *in every language*
recognized by the current national states in which you are living.

For the POEM contest specially, as the sound of the mandatory words is
important, they may be adapted to/in the language that you would use.
In this case, please contact before next Th. 7th the aedilitas curulis.

Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
aed. cur.

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Ab alio exspectes alteri quod feceris

Hodie est die pristine Nonas Februarias; haec dies nefastus est:

"As you behave towards others, expect that others will behave to
you." ~ Laberius Decimus (107-43 BCE)

AUC 964 / 211 CE: Death of Septimus Severus; ascension of Caracalla
and Geta


The Di Consentes of Agriculture

"Seeing that, as they say, the Gods encourage things to happen, I
will invoke Them first, not, as did Homer or Ennius, to the Muses,
but as the twelve Gods, the Di Constentes, and yet not like Those
whose golden statues may be seen in the Forum, six Gods and six
Goddesses total, but those twelve Gods who are most involved in
agriculture. First among those who are most beneficial to
agriculture are sky and earth, Jove and Tellus: and so, who among our
ancestors were called great, Father they called Jupiter, and Tellus,
Mother Earth. Second are Sol and Luna, by whom they told time, when
to sow and when to harvest. Third are Ceres and Liber, who are most
necessary in that moment when the fruit is ripe; from Them, truly, I
secure what food and drink comes to me. Fourth are Robigo and Flora,
who are propitiated lest rust form on the fruits and the trees
whither, or bloom while out of season. Thus for Robigo was the
public festival called Robigalia instituted, and for Flora the Ludi
Floralia. Then I pray to Minerva and Venus for what is produce by
the vine and the olive, and for other things from the garden, for who
were instituted the Vinalia Rustica. I also pray to the Lymphs for
rain, and to Fortuna Bonum Eventum for good results, since without
water all is arid and farming poor, and thus our success and good
results frustrated, and there would be no cultivation. For this
reason therefore go with reverence towards the Gods when seeking
their council." ~ M. Terentius Varro, Rerum Rusticarum de Agri
cultura 1.1

AUC 319 / 434 BCE: Etruria Meet at the Sanctuary of Voltumna

"Tubero and Macer both claim the authority of the 'Linen Rolls'; both
admit that in the ancient historians it was asserted that there were
military tribunes that year. Licinius considers that we ought
unhesitatingly to follow the 'Linen Rolls;' Tubero has not made up
his mind. But amongst the many points obscure through lapse of time,
this also is left unsettled. The capture of Fidenae created alarm in
Etruria. Not only were the Veientines apprehensive of a similar fate,
but the Faliscans too had not forgotten the war which they had
commenced in alliance with them, though they had taken no part in its
renewal. The two States sent round envoys to the twelve cantons, and
in compliance with their request a meeting was proclaimed of the
national council of Etruria, to be held at the temple of Voltumna. As
a great struggle seemed imminent, the senate ordered that Mamercus
Aemilius should be again nominated Dictator. A. Postumius Tubertus
was appointed Master of the Horse. Preparations for war were made
with all the greater energy now than on the last occasion, as the
danger to be apprehended from the whole of Etruria was greater than
from only two of its towns." ~ T titus Livius 4.23


Our thought for today is from Epicurus, Vatican Satings 17:

"We should not view the young man as happy, but rather the old man
whose life has been fortunate. The young man at the height of his
powers is often befuddled by chance and driven from his course; but
the old man has dropped anchor in old age as in a harbor, since he
secures in sure and thankful memory goods for which he was once
scarcely confident of."

Salve Felix

The appointment of sacerdotes for any particular deity places no
limitation on another sacerdos for the same God. In Roma antiaqua
itself, how many temples were there for Juno alone. Each temple had
their sacerdotes, and more than one, curatores, flamines, victimii,
popae or even more specialize sacerdotes depending on the particular
temple. Many of these sacerdotes publici were public slaves, but
those who oversaw them we re not.

So, assuming that Sabinus is approved, there will be two sacerdotes
Mercurialis in Nova Roma. Sabinus working eseentially in his
location in Romania, and then building a virtual temple I would
suppose. And where are you located now? We can have sodalitates or
collegia of sacerdotes Mercurialis, as existed for Mars at Lanuvium,
just as one example, or the Vetales Virgines of Roma, Alba Longa, and
Lavinium that were sodalitates of those cities.

Vale
M Moravius Piscinus
Pontifex et Flamen Carmentalis

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <vallenporter@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex
> Marcus Cornelius Felix sends greeting.
>
> I was asking about ITEM IV: Approves the application of Titus Iulius
> Sabinus as sacerdos
> Mercurialis
>
> what is his fill title to be ? just sacerdos
> Mercurialis or also( i I am still to be )or the only Sacerdos Templi
> Mercurius?
>
> as I am at this time Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
>
> now mind you I think Titus Iulius Sabinus would be a great sacerdos
> Mercurialis
>
> I was just starting to write my feb report to the CM on sacerdotes
> supplies costs for both my offices for costs i will be haveing in

feb.

> so if I am no longer going be to be the only Sacerdos Templi

Mercurius

> or not even hold the office of sacerdos
> Mercurialis i would like someone to send me a e-mail about this ?
> If I am still to be Sacerdos Templi Mercurius who is the head

priest?

> or would we be at the same level
> and if i am still to be in office why did no-one ask me about Titus
> Iulius Sabinus? even if your guys are getting rid of me I would have
> said he will be good in that office
>
>
> I have a lot of things in the works re: the Templi Mercurius and

need

> to know if I should
> stop them
>
> my thanks for your time
>
> Marcus Cornlius Felix
> Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Titus Arminius Genialis

To: nrbrasil@yahoogroups.com ; Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:46 PM

Subject: [Nova-Roma] Edictum Gubernatorium XLVI - Define coleta dos impostos 2761 para a Província do Brasil

LEGATUS PRO PRAETORE TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS CIVIBUS PROVINCIAE BRASILIAE SPD

 

Envio abaixo o Édito do Governador Nº XLVI da Província do Brasil.

 

============ ========= =======

 

EDICTUM GUBERNATORIUM XLVI

 

Define a coleta dos impostos 2761 para a Província do Brasil

 

 

Pelo imperium a mim investido pelo Senado de Nova Roma, e cumprindo ao disposto no Édito Consular VII de Kal. Feb. 2761, determino:

 

1. O valor a ser pago pelos cidadãos de Nova Roma residentes na Província do Brasil é de R$ 5,98.

 

2. Os impostos devem ser pagos até o último dia de abril de 2761 auc (2008 d.C.), e esse pagamento pode ser feito das seguintes formas.

 

2.a. Diretamente no Album Civium, na opção My Account > make payment. Nessa seção, o pagamento pode ser feito via Pay Pal ou por cheque.

 

2.b. Por depósito bancário em nome do Governador Provincial, que repassará em seguida o dinheiro ao Tesouro de Nova Roma. Os dados para depósito encontram-se anexos a este édito.

 

3. Aos impostos pagos em data posterior à definida no item 2, será acrescida multa de 50%.

 

4. Os cidadãos que pagarem os impostos serão considerados para todos os fins como Assidui, podendo gozar de todos os benefícios de acordo com a legislação de Nova Roma.

 

 

Dado em Osasco, três dias antes das nonas de fevereiro do ano consular de M. Moravius e T. Iulius.

 

 

TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS

Legatus Pro Praetore

 

 

ANEXO ÚNICO

 

1. As informações para depósito bancário dos impostos são as seguintes.

 

| Titular: Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade

| CPF: 347.909.248- 90

| Banco ABN Amro Real S.A. (356)

| Agência: 0910 (CAMPINAS-UNICAMP)

| Conta corrente: 7.007886-4

 

2. Após efetuado o depósito, deve ser enviada cópia do comprovante para o email tagenialis@yahoo. com.br

I'm sick of the scheming, the accusations, the whining, and the paranoia.

I've had enough of seeing people I once liked and respected making fools
of themselves.

I resign from the Senate of Nova Roma, and retire to private life.

--
Marcus Octavius Gracchus
octavius@... * http://www.graveyards.com

-"Apes don't read philosophy."
-"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct
you on a few things: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of
Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'. And the London Underground is
not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up."
-from "A Fish Called Wanda"

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Felix
>
> The appointment of sacerdotes for any particular deity places no
> limitation on another sacerdos for the same God. In Roma antiaqua
> itself, how many temples were there for Juno alone. Each temple had
> their sacerdotes, and more than one, curatores, flamines, victimii,
> popae or even more specialize sacerdotes depending on the particular
> temple. Many of these sacerdotes publici were public slaves, but
> those who oversaw them we re not.
>
> So, assuming that Sabinus is approved, there will be two sacerdotes
> Mercurialis in Nova Roma. Sabinus working eseentially in his
> location in Romania, and then building a virtual temple I would
> suppose

Salve
he is the one hosting the virtual temple
Mercuriali in Romania,thats why I know I can work with him we
did something on own.we all talking about a collegia of sacerdotes
Mercurialis

vale M.C.Felix






. And where are you located now?

as I am Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis and do post the
title a lot I think i am in Provincia America Boreoccidentalis?

> Vale
> M Moravius Piscinus
> Pontifex et Flamen Carmentalis
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "vallenporter" <vallenporter@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex
> > Marcus Cornelius Felix sends greeting.
> >
> > I was asking about ITEM IV: Approves the application of Titus Iulius
> > Sabinus as sacerdos
> > Mercurialis
> >
> > what is his fill title to be ? just sacerdos
> > Mercurialis or also( i I am still to be )or the only Sacerdos Templi
> > Mercurius?
> >
> > as I am at this time Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> > Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
> >
> > now mind you I think Titus Iulius Sabinus would be a great sacerdos
> > Mercurialis
> >
> > I was just starting to write my feb report to the CM on sacerdotes
> > supplies costs for both my offices for costs i will be haveing in
> feb.
> > so if I am no longer going be to be the only Sacerdos Templi
> Mercurius
> > or not even hold the office of sacerdos
> > Mercurialis i would like someone to send me a e-mail about this ?
> > If I am still to be Sacerdos Templi Mercurius who is the head
> priest?
> > or would we be at the same level
> > and if i am still to be in office why did no-one ask me about Titus
> > Iulius Sabinus? even if your guys are getting rid of me I would have
> > said he will be good in that office
> >
> >
> > I have a lot of things in the works re: the Templi Mercurius and
> need
> > to know if I should
> > stop them
> >
> > my thanks for your time
> >
> > Marcus Cornlius Felix
> > Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> > Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
> >
>