Me too. My impression is, however, that Jesus is a
composite character, a two or more ancient persons
combined.
Did anyone read "Claudius the God"? I know that Robert
Graves wrote it for entertainment, but the Herold
Agrippa story could be very well the real thing.

Jano Mladonicky

--- J Auger <augerjosh@...> wrote:

> I would be quite interested as well.
>
> Gallus Cassius Augurius
>
> Michael Ponte <superponte@...> wrote:
> same here. It sounds like a fascinating
> work
>
> Lucius Cassius Pontonius
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marcus Valerius Traianus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Secular Roman view of
> Jesus
>
>
>
> Savle,
>
> I would like to read it, just for personal
> curiosity. It sounds like an interesting story.
>
> ----------------------------
> Marcus Valerius Traianus
> Proud Citizen of Nova Roma
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: worldbeat <robinhl@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:05:17 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Secular Roman view of Jesus
>
> I have written a 100,000 word novel called "The
> Gospel According to
> the Occupation".
>
> My assumption is that Jesus was a fundamentalist
> Jew, the populist
> face of the simmering revolt against the Romans,
> trying to restore
> Jewish piety so that God will intervene and destroy
> the idolaters.
> Thanks to a paid informant among the disciples (NOT
> Judas), Pilate was
> prepared for the Passover uprising in the Temple at
> Jerusalem, crushed
> it, and executed the three ringleaders. This Jesus
> is a Jewish
> fanatic and a failure, although some of his
> followers try to fake his
> resurrection.
>
> Two questions: is anyone interested in reviewing it
> for Roman
> accuracy? And does anyone know of an agent or
> publisher who would be
> interested in such an irreligious story (assuming it
> has some literary
> merit)?
>
> T. Pontius Silanus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> fast with Yahoo! Search.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Triarius Aurelianus s.d.

Congratulations on PM! I think we may now have found the light at the
end of the tunnel...

Vale optime,
Triarius

---

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Valetudo quod fortuna;

As a Flamen Privaus et Poetus Religio Septentrionalis, I should be
gladdened by Roman infighting, but I am not.

As a man who values the rebirth of every folk awakening to their
Ancient Ones, I AM gladdened!!!

Congratulations Aurelianus, may the Religio Roman see a further
flowering under your guidance.

May The Holy Powers send you Wisdom, Forebearnce and Steadfast Worthiness!!!

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet (et Flamen Privatus)

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/stefnullarsson
http://ullarsskald01.Writing.Com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

Rubigo numquam dormit!

I would be glad to review it for accuracy and to proofread it as well, as its a subject of fascination for me, and have studied it some.

On 3/27/08, Jano Mladonicky <mladonicky@...> wrote:

Me too. My impression is, however, that Jesus is a
composite character, a two or more ancient persons
combined.
Did anyone read "Claudius the God"? I know that Robert
Graves wrote it for entertainment, but the Herold
Agrippa story could be very well the real thing.

Jano Mladonicky

--- J Auger <augerjosh@...> wrote:

> I would be quite interested as well.
>
> Gallus Cassius Augurius
>
> Michael Ponte <superponte@...> wrote:
> same here. It sounds like a fascinating
> work
>
> Lucius Cassius Pontonius
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marcus Valerius Traianus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Secular Roman view of
> Jesus
>
>
>
> Savle,
>
> I would like to read it, just for personal
> curiosity. It sounds like an interesting story.
>
> ----------------------------
> Marcus Valerius Traianus
> Proud Citizen of Nova Roma
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: worldbeat <robinhl@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:05:17 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Secular Roman view of Jesus
>
> I have written a 100,000 word novel called "The
> Gospel According to
> the Occupation".
>
> My assumption is that Jesus was a fundamentalist
> Jew, the populist
> face of the simmering revolt against the Romans,
> trying to restore
> Jewish piety so that God will intervene and destroy
> the idolaters.
> Thanks to a paid informant among the disciples (NOT
> Judas), Pilate was
> prepared for the Passover uprising in the Temple at
> Jerusalem, crushed
> it, and executed the three ringleaders. This Jesus
> is a Jewish
> fanatic and a failure, although some of his
> followers try to fake his
> resurrection.
>
> Two questions: is anyone interested in reviewing it
> for Roman
> accuracy? And does anyone know of an agent or
> publisher who would be
> interested in such an irreligious story (assuming it
> has some literary
> merit)?
>
> T. Pontius Silanus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them
> fast with Yahoo! Search.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

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M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Ego vos iubeo bono animo esse.

Hodie est ante diem V Kalendas Apriles; haec dies comitialis est:
natalis Sol et Lunae

"O Shining Phoebus and forest Diana, shining ornaments of the sky,
ever gentle and refined, O sacred brows, grant us now our prayer." ~
Q. Horatius Flaccus, Saeculares 1-4

In 243 CE, the "De paschæ computus" placed the birth of Jesus on this
day, connecting him with the solar deity.


Sacrifices at the Tombs of the Ancestors

Today is one of the days when sacrifices were left at the tombs of
ancestors. Set out for the dead were water for washing, milk, honey,
olive oil, salt, and other foodstuffs, as well as flowers, roses and
violets being preferred. However these days were not filled with
sorrow and mourning. "Come then, everyone, we'll celebrate this
holiday with joy, " as Aeneas tells his companions at his father's
funeral (Virgil, Aeneid 4.79-80). The final days of each month were
generally reserved for rites of the Lares. In certain months it is
mentioned that these rites took place at the tombs themselves.
Offerings of a meal would be placed at the tombs and lamps or candles
left to burn throughout the night.

Plutarch, Roman Questions 75:

"Why did they not extinguish a lamp, but suffered it to go out of
itself? Did they reverence it as akin and closely related to the
inextinguishable and undying fire? Or is this also a symbolic
indication that we should not destroynor do away with any living
things, if it does us no harm, since fire is like a living thing?
For it needs sustenance, it moves of itself, and when it is
extinguished it gives out a sound as if it were being slain. Or does
this custom teach us that we should not destroy fire, water, or any
other necessity when we have enough and to spare, but should allow
those who have need of these things to use them, and should leave
them for others when we ourselves no longer have any use for them? "


AUC 946 / 193 CE: Death of Pertinax; ascension of Didius Julianus

Following the extravagance of Commodus, Pertinax tried to regain some
fiscal discipline over the armies of Rome. This was not popular with
the Roman legions, especially with the praetorians who murdered
Pertinax for his efforts. Perhaps to stress the point all the more,
the Praetorians then auctioned off the imperial throne to the highest
bidder. He turned out to be the wealthy senator Didius Julianus.
Other legions were already marching against Rome and it would be only
a few short months before Didius was himself dethrone.


Our thought for today is also from Plutarch, De Sera Numinis
Vindicta. 17:.

"What waste would it be, what an inconceivable waste, for God to
create man, had he not an immortal soul. He would be like the women
who make little gardens, not less pleasant than the gardens of Adonis
in earthen pots and pans; so would our souls blossom and flourish but
for a day in a soft and tender body of flesh without any firm and
solid root of life, and then be blasted and put out in a moment."

Saluete cultores Deorum, gentiles Romani, Quirites, et omnes

While others have expressed congratulations, I join with them and
also wish to offer my sincere thanks to Flavius Aurelianus for
accepting the position of Pontifex Maximus and for the words he
expressed to the Collegium. It is not an easy task ahead for the
Collegium Pontificum. We are entering a period of transition.
Aurelianus will now become the face for the Collegium, announcing the
decisions of the Collegium and explaining to the Senate and the
Citizens what lays behind those decisions. He shall also continue in
the role that he has often played inside the Collegium, trying to get
its various members to work together on common goals. The Collegium
has, I believe, chosen the right man for this difficult period. My
thanks to him for taking on the responsibility.

May the Gods now guide Flavius Galerius Aurelianus, granting him
wisdom and patience.

Valete et vadete in pace Concordiae

M. Moravius Piscinus
Consul Maior, Pontifex et Augur

Men exist for the sake of one another. Teach them then or bear with
them. ~ Marcus Aurelianus, Meditations 8.59




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stefn Ullerius Venator
Piperbarbus" <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

>
> Valetudo quod fortuna;
>
> As a Flamen Privaus et Poetus Religio Septentrionalis, I should be
> gladdened by Roman infighting, but I am not.
>
> As a man who values the rebirth of every folk awakening to their
> Ancient Ones, I AM gladdened!!!
>
> Congratulations Aurelianus, may the Religio Roman see a further
> flowering under your guidance.
>
> May The Holy Powers send you Wisdom, Forebearnce and Steadfast

Worthiness!!!

>
> =========================================
> In amicitia quod fides -
> Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
> Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor
>
> Religio Septentrionalis - Poet (et Flamen Privatus)
>
> Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
>
> http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
> http://www.myspace.com/stefnullarsson
> http://ullarsskald01.Writing.Com/
> http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
> http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
> --
> May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
> May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
> May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
>
> Rubigo numquam dormit!
>

Hi,

A new reivew of 'Divine Comedy Of Neophyte Corax and Goddess
Morrigan' has just come out in Silver Star journal.
http://www.horusmaat.com/silverstar/SILVERSTAR9.htm

Regards,
Nabarz

----------------------------------------------------------
Divine Comedy Of Neophyte Corax and Goddess Morrigan: A Dialectic
Play
by Nabarz, Web of Wyrd Press 2008.

Review by Shade Oroboros

A very deep, funny and clever play involving the complicated
relationship between a goddess and her reincarnating raven, and
cheerfully exploring all the mythologies which have played through
the history of the British Isles: Mithraic and Druidic and
Christian, Norse and Shamanic and Qabalistic, Thelemic and Vodou and
Tantric. Mystery plays once edified the illiterate populace, today
we have bad moviesÂ… perhaps it is time for a change. Wit can
actually make people think! Illustrated with a series of lovely
photos by the author.


Available from: http://www.lulu.com/content/1728442

and Innerbookshop and Libra Aries Bookshop.
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 Salve, Claudi, et salvete, omnes.

Salve.
Could someone send a mail writing this ML rules and topics?

ATS:  These are included in the moderation edictum, which is mailed periodically to all ML members, and presumably upon original subscription.  You might care to read it.

I don't like to save digests about Jesus, Allah, Jews stories, Roman empire, chrisitian churchs, modern politicians, drugs, sex pills or things like these, please don't write about them in this mailing list.

ATS:  The Roman Empire is fair game; it is part of the ancient world, like it or not, and we have several people interested in it.  Interactions between the ancient Judaeans and the Romans also are not off topic, as are interactions with the ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Mesopotamians, etc.  Allah is really off topic here, and so are modern politicians.  Ditto modern sports.  Discussions of drugs and other items you mentioned, including some legal ones you did not, are not allowed, though it is entirely possible that mention of any drugs possibly used in antiquity, particularly in regard to prophecy or the like, may appear, and not be off topic at all.  

    We also try to be civil here, and not use the kind of vulgarity which has appeared here recently.  This is an open list, not an all-adult one, and one heavily populated by non-citizens, some of whom may be prospective citizens.  We should show a good example of proper behavior during academic discussion, even when the topics may be heated.  Adults are capable of discussing even hot topics in a calm fashion, as is the norm in academia, and can do so without resorting to personal insults, gutter language, and the vulgarity which seems to be increasingly popular among certain segments of the community.  That they also should do so should go without saying.

    Above and beyond that, we do not restrict topics of discussion here, as many are at least tangential to the ancient world.  We are not here, however, to review books on Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc., or to question the historical bases of these or other faiths, and posts on these topics should not have found their way to the ML.  We also avoid topics unsuitable for minors; we have children here as young as 13, if not younger, which is one of the reasons why we don’t allow discussion heroin and crack cocaine, or of subjects beloved of spammers, or other inappropriate material, including some vocabulary posted here of late.  
    
Vale

Vale, et valete.

 
      
   Messages in this topic           <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/56148;

I would also like to read your book. Send along or include a link at
your leisure.

Vale,
Q. Ovidius Sabinus


Jano Mladonicky wrote:

>
> Me too. My impression is, however, that Jesus is a
> composite character, a two or more ancient persons
> combined.
> Did anyone read "Claudius the God"? I know that Robert
> Graves wrote it for entertainment, but the Herold
> Agrippa story could be very well the real thing.
>
> Jano Mladonicky
>
> --- J Auger <augerjosh@... <mailto:augerjosh%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> > I would be quite interested as well.
> >
> > Gallus Cassius Augurius
> >
> > Michael Ponte <superponte@...
> <mailto:superponte%40comcast.net>> wrote:
> > same here. It sounds like a fascinating
> > work
> >
> > Lucius Cassius Pontonius
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marcus Valerius Traianus
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Secular Roman view of
> > Jesus
> >
> >
> >
> > Savle,
> >
> > I would like to read it, just for personal
> > curiosity. It sounds like an interesting story.
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > Marcus Valerius Traianus
> > Proud Citizen of Nova Roma
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: worldbeat <robinhl@... <mailto:robinhl%40ctc.net>>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:05:17 AM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Secular Roman view of Jesus
> >
> > I have written a 100,000 word novel called "The
> > Gospel According to
> > the Occupation".
> >
> > My assumption is that Jesus was a fundamentalist
> > Jew, the populist
> > face of the simmering revolt against the Romans,
> > trying to restore
> > Jewish piety so that God will intervene and destroy
> > the idolaters.
> > Thanks to a paid informant among the disciples (NOT
> > Judas), Pilate was
> > prepared for the Passover uprising in the Temple at
> > Jerusalem, crushed
> > it, and executed the three ringleaders. This Jesus
> > is a Jewish
> > fanatic and a failure, although some of his
> > followers try to fake his
> > resurrection.
> >
> > Two questions: is anyone interested in reviewing it
> > for Roman
> > accuracy? And does anyone know of an agent or
> > publisher who would be
> > interested in such an irreligious story (assuming it
> > has some literary
> > merit)?
> >
> > T. Pontius Silanus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them
> > fast with Yahoo! Search.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
> __________________________________________________________
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>
>

--
"Quid fine laboramus," asked the soldier building the road to the border.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Claudio Guzzo" <claudio.guzzo@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve.
> Could someone send a mail writing this ML rules and topics?
> I don't like to save digests about Jesus, Allah, Jews stories, Roman

empire, chrisitian churchs, modern politicians, drugs, sex pills or
things like these, please don't write about them in this mailing list.

> Vale
>

Salve!

You can look in the FILES area (
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/files/ ) for "EDICTUM DE SERMONE".

I will copy the section that tells about topics:

----

"II. Topics of discussion

Nova Roman business, community, governmental, religious, and other
state activities

The culture, religion, sociology, politics, history, archaeology, and
philosophy of Roma Antiqua, ancient Greece, the ancient Near East,
and other cultures with which the ancient Romans interacted.

Discussions may sometimes go into subjects beyond these topics, but
such digressions should be brief and related to the listed topics.
Messages of this kind must be clearly marked as "off topic"."

----

It is a very broad area indeed.

Optime vale

Agricola

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Bene omnibus nobis

Hodie est ante diem IV Kalendas Apriles; haec dies comitialis est:

The Assumption of Romulus

"Romulus held a review of his army at the Caprae Palus in the Campus
Martius. A violent thunderstorm suddenly arose and enveloped the king
in so dense a cloud that he was quite invisible to the assembly. From
that hour Romulus was no longer seen on earth. When the fears of the
Roman youth were allayed by the return of bright, calm sun-shine
after such fearful weather, they saw that the royal seat was vacant.
Whilst they fully believed the assertion of the Senators, who had
been standing close to him, that he had been snatched away to heaven
by a whirlwind, still, like men suddenly bereaved, fear and grief
kept them for some time speechless. At length, after a few had taken
the initiative, the whole of those present hailed Romulus as 'a god,
the son of a god, the King and Father of the City of Rome.' They put
up supplications for his grace and favour, and prayed that he would
be propitious to his children and save and protect them. I believe,
however, that even then there were some who secretly hinted that he
had been torn limb from limb by the senators-a tradition to this
effect, though certainly a very dim one, has filtered down to us. The
other, which I follow, has been the prevailing one, due, no doubt, to
the admiration felt for the man and the apprehensions excited by his
disappearance. This generally accepted belief was strengthened by one
man's clever device. The tradition runs that Proculus Julius, a man
whose authority had weight in matters of even the gravest importance,
seeing how deeply the community felt the loss of the king, and how
incensed they were against the senators, came forward into the
assembly and said: 'Quirites! At the break of dawn, to-day, the
Father of this City suddenly descended from heaven and appeared to
me. Whilst, thrilled with awe, I stood rapt before him in deepest
reverence, praying that I might be pardoned for gazing upon
him, 'Go,' said he, 'tell the Romans that it is the will of heaven
that my Rome should be the head of all the world. Let them henceforth
cultivate the arts of war, and let them know assuredly, and hand down
the knowledge to posterity, that no human might can withstand the
arms of Rome.' It is marvellous what credit was given to this man's
story, and how the grief of the people and the army was soothed by
the belief which had been created in the immortality of Romulus." ~
Titus Livius 1.16


"The whole of the religio populi Romani is divided into ritual and
auspices." ~ M. Tullius Cicero, De Natura Deorum 3.5

Something of what Cicero meant can perhaps be seen in a passage from
Pliny:

"Turnips, they say, will thrive all the better, if it is sown
together with some chaff. They will have it, too, that the sower
ought to be nude, and that he should offer up a prayer while sowing,
and say: "I sow this for myself and for my neighbours." The proper
time for sowing both kinds is the period that intervenes between the
festivals of the two divinities, Neptune and Vulcan. It is said, too -
and it is the result of very careful observation - that these plants
will thrive wonderfully well, if they are sown as many days after the
festival of Neptune as the moon was old when the first snow fell the
previous winter. They are sown in spring as well, in warm and humid
localities." ~ Plinius Secunda, Naturalis Historia 18.52

Auspices, signs and omens can take in many things. The rising of
certain stars, denoting seasons and used as weather signs, were one
such "sign." The moon is itself a weather sign, each quarter
denoting a change in the weather. Here, "as many days after the
festival of Neptune as the moon was old when the first snow fell" is
a way of ensuring good auspices for the planting. Sowing in the nude
is a ritual element. Those present would have converted one of the
furrows in the field into a makeshift altar. A sacrifice would be
offered, but the sowing performed before the sacrifice was
completed. And we must assume that some sacrifice was offered here
because of the prayer: "Hoc rapum mihi vico sereo." Pliny mentions
elsewhere (28.10) that prayer and sacrifice must always go together,
and Sallustius as well tells us that mention of either implicitly
involves the other.


Today's thought is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 4.51:

"Always run to the short way; and the short way is the natural:
accordingly say and do everything in conformity with the soundest
reason. For such a purpose frees a man from trouble, and warfare, and
all artifice and ostentatious display."

Maior Agricolae omnibusque spd;
I've just read a fascinating article about Ancient Roman
contraceptives and abortificants.
http://www.islamonline.net/English/Science/2003/08/article02.shtml

Read it whilst listening to Dr. Ammondt singing Elvis'
'Nunc hic aut nunquam' and you will have sex, drugs, n rock'n roll -
all in Ancient Roma;-)
M. Hortensia Maior

> >
> > Salve.
> > Could someone send a mail writing this ML rules and topics?
> > I don't like to save digests about Jesus, Allah, Jews stories,

Roman

> empire, chrisitian churchs, modern politicians, drugs, sex pills or
> things like these, please don't write about them in this mailing

list.

> > Vale
> >
>
> Salve!
>
> You can look in the FILES area (
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/files/ ) for "EDICTUM DE

SERMONE".

>
> I will copy the section that tells about topics:
>
> ----
>
> "II. Topics of discussion
>
> Nova Roman business, community, governmental, religious, and other
> state activities
>
> The culture, religion, sociology, politics, history, archaeology,

and

> philosophy of Roma Antiqua, ancient Greece, the ancient Near East,
> and other cultures with which the ancient Romans interacted.
>
> Discussions may sometimes go into subjects beyond these topics, but
> such digressions should be brief and related to the listed topics.
> Messages of this kind must be clearly marked as "off topic"."
>
> ----
>
> It is a very broad area indeed.
>
> Optime vale
>
> Agricola
>

Memmius Hortensiae s.d.

Thanks for this interesting link, for 3 reasons : about the plants
themselves and how they have been the center of a struggle of power
between a Roman-celt-people-women medicine on one hand and a Cath.
church-centralised-men one.
For these plants have still been known in European Middle Ages
in "popular science". We see here that the repression in Europe, on
such knowledges, increases from the moment when the Catholic Church
begins to get more centralized, from the 2nd part of the 12th century
(c.c.). For the abbeys have kept for a long time such knowledges,
which have been however more and more left in the shadow as they lost
the link with their environment they had in the florishing main part
of 12th century.
Interesting also on the continuity, over the centuries, of such
knowledges. Romans knew them, Celts probably also, and today India
has inherited them.
It would be interesting to know how things have moved all around the
Mediterranean sea, in what became, after 400, either Christian or
Islam countries, not to speak of Palestine.
Last, on artemisia, the plant of Artemis. The plant has known a
passionating destiny, specially in the last century, when it has been
re-discovered in the 19th cent., displayed to the French colonial
troops to fight malaria, and popularized in French cafés by the
soldiers back home, but also in the prostitutes' milieu because its
contraceptive effect. Banned in 1912 in the U.S. and in 1915 in
France, among others, the beverage is still forbidden in Francogallia
to the sale, but not to fabrication and exportation... ;-)

You may see on absinth and link with artemisia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

Vale Hortensia et omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Agricolae omnibusque spd;
> I've just read a fascinating article about Ancient Roman
> contraceptives and abortificants.
> http://www.islamonline.net/English/Science/2003/08/article02.shtml
>
> Read it whilst listening to Dr. Ammondt singing Elvis'
> 'Nunc hic aut nunquam' and you will have sex, drugs, n rock'n roll -

> all in Ancient Roma;-)
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
> > >
> > > Salve.
> > > Could someone send a mail writing this ML rules and topics?
> > > I don't like to save digests about Jesus, Allah, Jews stories,
> Roman
> > empire, chrisitian churchs, modern politicians, drugs, sex pills
or
> > things like these, please don't write about them in this mailing
> list.
> > > Vale
> > >
> >
> > Salve!
> >
> > You can look in the FILES area (
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/files/ ) for "EDICTUM DE
> SERMONE".
> >
> > I will copy the section that tells about topics:
> >
> > ----
> >
> > "II. Topics of discussion
> >
> > Nova Roman business, community, governmental, religious, and
other
> > state activities
> >
> > The culture, religion, sociology, politics, history, archaeology,
> and
> > philosophy of Roma Antiqua, ancient Greece, the ancient Near
East,
> > and other cultures with which the ancient Romans interacted.
> >
> > Discussions may sometimes go into subjects beyond these topics,
but
> > such digressions should be brief and related to the listed topics.
> > Messages of this kind must be clearly marked as "off topic"."
> >
> > ----
> >
> > It is a very broad area indeed.
> >
> > Optime vale
> >
> > Agricola
> >
>

Livia Memmio et Hortensiae s. p. d.

Albuci, absinthe was banned because of its nasty side-effects, not
because of the contraceptive effect (that I didn't know about).
Anyway it's legal in the Czech republic, if you really feel like
enjoying its doubtful advantages.
Artemisia absinthium can be even deadly in large doses.
On my side, I'd rather try assafoetida, though I guess it would take
really large doses to have any effect, since as a herb it's widely
used in India, and it doesn't seem to be causing any widespread
sterility.

I was a bit puzzled by the article, because in Italy traditionally
parsley has been used as an abortificant (don't try at home! It has
nasty side effects and can cause death too).
Anyway I suspect the reason why assafoetida was no longer used is not
the monopoly of men on medicine, but the fact that it virtually
disappeared from western tables as a herb, so probably it was no
longer cultivated.

Valete,
L. Livia Plauta

>
> Memmius Hortensiae s.d.
>
> Thanks for this interesting link, for 3 reasons : about the plants
> themselves and how they have been the center of a struggle of power
> between a Roman-celt-people-women medicine on one hand and a Cath.
> church-centralised-men one.
> For these plants have still been known in European Middle Ages
> in "popular science". We see here that the repression in Europe, on
> such knowledges, increases from the moment when the Catholic Church
> begins to get more centralized, from the 2nd part of the 12th

century

> (c.c.). For the abbeys have kept for a long time such knowledges,
> which have been however more and more left in the shadow as they

lost

> the link with their environment they had in the florishing main

part

> of 12th century.
> Interesting also on the continuity, over the centuries, of such
> knowledges. Romans knew them, Celts probably also, and today India
> has inherited them.
> It would be interesting to know how things have moved all around

the

> Mediterranean sea, in what became, after 400, either Christian or
> Islam countries, not to speak of Palestine.
> Last, on artemisia, the plant of Artemis. The plant has known a
> passionating destiny, specially in the last century, when it has

been

> re-discovered in the 19th cent., displayed to the French colonial
> troops to fight malaria, and popularized in French cafés by the
> soldiers back home, but also in the prostitutes' milieu because its
> contraceptive effect. Banned in 1912 in the U.S. and in 1915 in
> France, among others, the beverage is still forbidden in

Francogallia

> to the sale, but not to fabrication and exportation... ;-)
>
> You may see on absinth and link with artemisia:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe
>
> Vale Hortensia et omnes,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Maior Agricolae omnibusque spd;
> > I've just read a fascinating article about Ancient Roman
> > contraceptives and abortificants.
> > http://www.islamonline.net/English/Science/2003/08/article02.shtml
> >
> > Read it whilst listening to Dr. Ammondt singing Elvis'
> > 'Nunc hic aut nunquam' and you will have sex, drugs, n rock'n

roll -

>
> > all in Ancient Roma;-)

Salvete omnes,

in June this year I want travel to Rome. Could you please recommand me
a cheap hotel in center Rome?

Vale

Sextus Lucilius Tutor

On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Sextus Lucilius Tutor <phorus@...> wrote:

Salvete omnes,

in June this year I want travel to Rome. Could you please recommand me

a cheap hotel in center Rome?

Vale

Sextus Lucilius Tutor

Salve collega !

If you are looking for a more cheaper hotel, maybe you could ask to our
Italian friends whether the Hotel Michigan, via Nazionale, which hosted
the conventus 3 years ago, is still available.
I did not personally slept there, but it seems a good ration quality
(which is not that top) / price. It is rated 2 stars. It is a huge
several storeys building with the desk on the 5th (?) floor. La Via
Nazionale is a traffic street, but where you can pick up a bus, not far
from the center (1/4 hour). This is not the top luxury, but the hosts
are cool.

http://www.hotelmichiganroma.com/


Vale Tutor !


P. Memmus Albucius
aed. cur. sen.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sextus Lucilius Tutor" <phorus@...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> in June this year I want travel to Rome. Could you please recommand me
> a cheap hotel in center Rome?
>
> Vale
>
> Sextus Lucilius Tutor
>

Maior Livae Memmioque spd;
yes, that was a truly fascinating point. The build up and
control of natural science, birth control, by the male patriarchal
church with religious monopoly. A killing combination.
Today it is pharmaceutical corps that don't want people to have
free access to herbs, look what they're doing to perfume.

As for Asafoetida, in India they have much more reliable herbs from
Ayurvedic medicine - Pippaliyadi Vati; embelia ribes. Asafoetida is
used in cooking in place of garlic and onions which are believed to
excite sexual behavior.

Now as for the Green Fairy, what would Rimbaud, Apollinaire, Poe
have done without? Albuci, if you go to Dacia some kind civis would
bring Absinthe...I never thought the Galli so puritan!
optime valete
Maior

>
> Livia Memmio et Hortensiae s. p. d.
>
> Albuci, absinthe was banned because of its nasty side-effects, not
> because of the contraceptive effect (that I didn't know about).
> Anyway it's legal in the Czech republic, if you really feel like
> enjoying its doubtful advantages.
> Artemisia absinthium can be even deadly in large doses.
> On my side, I'd rather try assafoetida, though I guess it would

take

> really large doses to have any effect, since as a herb it's widely
> used in India, and it doesn't seem to be causing any widespread
> sterility.
>
> I was a bit puzzled by the article, because in Italy traditionally
> parsley has been used as an abortificant (don't try at home! It

has

> nasty side effects and can cause death too).
> Anyway I suspect the reason why assafoetida was no longer used is

not

> the monopoly of men on medicine, but the fact that it virtually
> disappeared from western tables as a herb, so probably it was no
> longer cultivated.
>
> Valete,
> L. Livia Plauta
>
> >
> > Memmius Hortensiae s.d.
> >
> > Thanks for this interesting link, for 3 reasons : about the

plants

> > themselves and how they have been the center of a struggle of

power

> > between a Roman-celt-people-women medicine on one hand and a

Cath.

> > church-centralised-men one.
> > For these plants have still been known in European Middle Ages
> > in "popular science". We see here that the repression in Europe,

on

> > such knowledges, increases from the moment when the Catholic

Church

> > begins to get more centralized, from the 2nd part of the 12th
> century
> > (c.c.). For the abbeys have kept for a long time such

knowledges,

> > which have been however more and more left in the shadow as they
> lost
> > the link with their environment they had in the florishing main
> part
> > of 12th century.
> > Interesting also on the continuity, over the centuries, of such
> > knowledges. Romans knew them, Celts probably also, and today

India

> > has inherited them.
> > It would be interesting to know how things have moved all around
> the
> > Mediterranean sea, in what became, after 400, either Christian

or

> > Islam countries, not to speak of Palestine.
> > Last, on artemisia, the plant of Artemis. The plant has known a
> > passionating destiny, specially in the last century, when it has
> been
> > re-discovered in the 19th cent., displayed to the French

colonial

> > troops to fight malaria, and popularized in French cafés by the
> > soldiers back home, but also in the prostitutes' milieu because

its

> > contraceptive effect. Banned in 1912 in the U.S. and in 1915 in
> > France, among others, the beverage is still forbidden in
> Francogallia
> > to the sale, but not to fabrication and exportation... ;-)
> >
> > You may see on absinth and link with artemisia:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe
> >
> > Vale Hortensia et omnes,
> >
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maior Agricolae omnibusque spd;
> > > I've just read a fascinating article about Ancient Roman
> > > contraceptives and abortificants.
> > >

http://www.islamonline.net/English/Science/2003/08/article02.shtml

> > >
> > > Read it whilst listening to Dr. Ammondt singing Elvis'
> > > 'Nunc hic aut nunquam' and you will have sex, drugs, n rock'n
> roll -
> >
> > > all in Ancient Roma;-)
>

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus S.P.D.

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Salve S. Lucili,
after a long search I eventually booked here: http://
marrahouse.freetools.it/

At 20 euros a day for a single room it was the cheapest offer I could
find, but it's not central.
There are also central Bed and breakfasts (a google search will find
them), or if you book now you can probably still get good deals for
hostels.

Vale,
Livia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sextus Lucilius
Tutor" <phorus@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> in June this year I want travel to Rome. Could you please recommand

me

> a cheap hotel in center Rome?
>
> Vale
>
> Sextus Lucilius Tutor
>

Salve.

For a not-so-cheap (but really well placed) hotel, you can try Casa
Kolbe. Just in front of the Roman Forum. With a bit of luck, you can
see it, and almost touch it, from your room.

For a cheaper place, 2 years ago I went to Fawlty Towers Hostel. 1
minute walking to Termini station.

--
Di te incolumem custodiant.
Lucius Coruncanius Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sextus Lucilius Tutor" <phorus@...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> in June this year I want travel to Rome. Could you please recommand me
> a cheap hotel in center Rome?
>
> Vale
>
> Sextus Lucilius Tutor
>

Salve,

thank you very much my friend. I try to book now.

Vale

Tutor

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I think Claudio needs to lay off the vino before e-mailing the list.

Claudio Guzzo <claudio.guzzo@...> wrote:

Salve.

You named this mailing list nova-roma because you like res publica and you want to imitate and study that roman age.

That's why I was sure you had to write about things known by roman citizens of that age.

But I read a lot of novaroman mails about jews, catholics, drugs, abortion and none about respublica; it looks like you are not sincere when you say you love that age. May be you like Hippy culture or something like that and I'ld appreciate it, if you would let me know, but not in this ML.

It is a fraus: You always despise that roman culture, writing lex constitutiva and all other leges that are very far from the spirit of (Roma and) that age, talking about cultus that had nothing to share with Roma during the respublica.

The strangest thing is that some novaromans say that now Roma doesn't exist and that Nova-Roma is the "real" Roma, probably because they think that res publica is a kind of ideology, but they forget that all novaroman rules are new and that Nova Roma doesn't use Roman leges and res publica system. Maybe NovaRoma hate them, because those rules and cultus are not Hippy enough...

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Maior Claudio sal;
I think you'd better read this list. As you obviously know nothing
about Ancient Rome and sexuality. It's from App. Iulius Priscus, a
civis who is also a sexologist. Very scholarly!
optime vale
Maior

John R. Clarcke's "Roman Sex" has wonderful photos and it is
intended for the
novice in the study of roman culture, easy to read, and yet very
precise - easy
to fascinate.

For a more dense study: Craig A. Williams' "Roman Homosexuality:
Ideologies of
Masculinity in Classical Antiquity". Do not misunderstand the
content by the
title: in fact, the author's aim is to demonstate that there was no
such thing
as an homosexual identity in Roma Antiqua, nor heterosexual
identity, by the way
-and (with plenty of roman quotations both in latin and english).

An essay from a classicist interested in philosophy and
psychoanalysis in the
post-war France : Pierre Klossowski's "Origines cultuelles et
mythiques d'un
certain comportement des dames romaines". There is most probably an
english
version.

I never read Pierre Grimal's "Love in Ancient Rome", but I intend to
acquire
it soon.

And from the Ancients:

The remarkable Plutarch's Erotika.

Recently I have acquired "Sensation and Sex", the translation of two
texts of
Lucretius.

And of course, the eternals Plato's Symposion, Ovid's Art of Love
plus all the
Catullus, Martial, the Priapea, and so on that made the current
discussion.

> But I read a lot of novaroman mails about ...., abortion and none

about respublica; it looks like you are not sincere when you say you
love that age. May be you like Hippy culture or something like that
and I'ld appreciate it, if you would let me know, but not in this ML.

> It is a fraus:>

Salve Marcus Valerius Traianus

Yes to all that you have written.
Yes to Roma and the old republic
Yes to Nova Roma and the new republic.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

>From: Marcus Valerius Traianus <marcusvaleriustraianus@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] NR-HR topics
>Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:41:11 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Salve!
>
>Someone pelase correct me if I am wrong, but Nova Roma is a attempt to
>restor the Religio and the Republic in the modern world. As the spiritual
>decendents of The Republic and the Empire, any topic that would fall into
>the time between 753 BCE and 395CE would be more than acceptable, and since
>it is a modern restoration certian other topics as they would pertain to
>the "New Republic".
>
>This would include discussion of the Religio and other faiths that existed
>in the Republic and Empire.
>
>Vale!
>
>----------------------------
>Marcus Valerius Traianus
>Proud Citizen of Nova Roma
>
>
>

After the Petitio Actionis of M.Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and after the issue of the Formula, I have posted several messages and calls in the following mailing lists:

 

Amice Claudio,

To add to the thoughts already put forth, I would say that Roma Antiqua
(declension?) was a culture containing references and influences from
all of its surrounding and conquered cultures. In other words, Ancient
Rome was, if you will, a culture born of its time. Its writers pulled
from far and near to inform, entertain, and admonish their citizens.
Rome had no shame infusing cultures; borrowing gods, music, literature;
sharing their own.

In that same vein, I feel that Nova Roma is all that Ancient Rome was
plus the new experiences and culture we bring to it after 1,700 years of
hard living. Each of us brings forth references in our own life, from
whatever corner of the world, and finds a way to combine or juxtapose
our existence within Nova Roma to those macro-world experiences.

One of the most profound thoughts I've seen revealed by the existence of
Nova Roma is how the successes -- and of course mistakes -- can inform
the macro-world. To that end, any reference in our culture -- within the
context of Nova Roma and its goals -- seems to be fair game for
discussion within, as has been said already, a public forum such as this.

Just as the Ancient Romans were students of their ancestors and
contemporaries, so we are. I'd like to see where some of these
conversations go, personally.

Thoughts?

Vale,
Q. Ovidius Sabinus

Claudio Guzzo wrote:

>
> Salve.
> You named this mailing list nova-roma because you like res publica and
> you want to imitate and study that roman age.
> That's why I was sure you had to write about things known by roman
> citizens of that age.
> But I read a lot of novaroman mails about jews, catholics, drugs,
> abortion and none about respublica; it looks like you are not sincere
> when you say you love that age. May be you like Hippy culture or
> something like that and I'ld appreciate it, if you would let me know,
> but not in this ML.
> It is a fraus: You always despise that roman culture, writing lex
> constitutiva and all other leges that are very far from the spirit of
> (Roma and) that age, talking about cultus that had nothing to share
> with Roma during the respublica.
> The strangest thing is that some novaromans say that now Roma doesn't
> exist and that Nova-Roma is the "real" Roma, probably because they
> think that res publica is a kind of ideology, but they forget that all
> novaroman rules are new and that Nova Roma doesn't use Roman leges and
> res publica system. Maybe NovaRoma hate them, because those rules and
> cultus are not Hippy enough...
> Vale
>

--
"Quid fine laboramus," asked the soldier building the road to the border.

Salve:
well then to avoid that, I think a sacrifice to Janus [god of new
beginnings] would be tops on your list of things to do:)!
Maior

>
> Just remember that in Nova Roma, the light at the end of the

tunnel may be an oncoming train.

>
>
>
> FGA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Vitellius Triarius <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 5:31 pm
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pontifex Maximus Flavius Galerius

Aurelianus

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Triarius Aurelianus s.d.
>
> Congratulations on PM! I think we may now have found the light at

the

> end of the tunnel...
>
> Vale optime,
> Triarius
>