Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Apl 1-21, 2008

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56181 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: Re: NR-HR topics
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56182 From: Claudio Guzzo Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: sorry. NR Topics
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56183 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: Re: sorry. NR Topics
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56184 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: EDICT n° 61-08 on the organisation of Magna Mater Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56185 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: Re: Pontifex Maximus Flavius Galerius Aurelianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56186 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: Fwd: Yahoo! Groups Scheduled Site Maintenance
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56187 From: Thomas Vogel Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Thomas Vogel/MUC/AMADEUS is out of the office.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56188 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Re: Fwd: Yahoo! Groups Scheduled Site Maintenance
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56189 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Re: Leges Saliciae (was Declare a mistrial please)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56190 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Concordia Ritual of Kal. Apr. for the 10th Year of Nova Roma - The S
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56191 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Taxes.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56192 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Taxpayers and the Wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56193 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: IMPVESTOS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56194 From: M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: IMPUESTOS DE NOVA ROMA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56195 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Re: Leges Saliciae (was Declare a mistrial please)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56196 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Re: Leges Saliciae (was Declare a mistrial please)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56197 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: A group dedicated to new or prospective citizens, 4/3/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56198 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the Wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56199 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Impostos 2008
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56200 From: Gaius Marcius Crispus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Taxpayers and the wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56201 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56202 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Edictum consulis Daciae VIII - about provincial administration.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56203 From: Gaius Marcius Crispus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Taxpayers and the wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56204 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56205 From: l.coruncanius_cato Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56206 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56207 From: Gaius Marcius Crispus Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: Taxpayers and the wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56208 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56209 From: Nabarz Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: Roman and Persian religions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56210 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: MEGALESIA !!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56211 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: VI Conventus Novae Romae - Dacia.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56212 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: MEGALESIA Certamen Historicum Questions - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56213 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: Lord Apollo, 4/5/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56214 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: Your citizen photo, 4/5/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56215 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: New free and online course about Latin at our university
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56216 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: Megalesia: opening religious ritual
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56217 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: Re: Megalesia: matutiones ritual for home
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56218 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: MEGALESIA Certamen Historicum Questions - Day 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56219 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: New free and online course about Latin at our university
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56220 From: benjamin bryon Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: New free and online course about Latin at our university
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56221 From: Adriano Rota Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: New free and online course about Latin at our university
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56222 From: bill segura Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56223 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56224 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56225 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671: CHARIOT RACE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56226 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56227 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: New free and online course about Latin at our university
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56228 From: Colin Cunningham Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56229 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: File - EDICTUM DE SERMONE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56230 From: David .C Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56231 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Recent Video Gaming release: Europa Universalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56232 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: MEGALESIA: Miles Gloriosus, a Play by Plautus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56233 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: MEGALESIA Certamen Historicum Questions - Day 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56234 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Visit the MEGALESIA Wiki Page Today!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56235 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: New free and online course about Latin at our university
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56236 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Chariot Race subscriptions: Many Reds!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56237 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: LITERARY CONTEST
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56238 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671: CHARIOT RACE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56239 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671: CHARIOT RACE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56240 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56241 From: Q. Ovidius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56243 From: David .C Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56244 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Chariot Race: please use private mail
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56245 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: HISTORICAL QUIZ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56246 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: De jure - L. Liviae, Q. Poplicolae, Po. Minuciae, Cn. Caesari
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56247 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: MEGALESIA: Plautus Certamen Historicum - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56248 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: MEGALESIA: Plautus Certamen Historicum - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56249 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: MEGALESIA: Plautus Certamen Historicum - Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56250 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Repeats
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56251 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: MEGALESIA: The NAUMACHIA in the Flavian Amphitheatre ! ! !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56252 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Play NAUMACHIA online everyday with RAID ON SICILY ! ! !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56253 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Re: De jure
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56254 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Re: De jure
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56255 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Charioteers: Using Sesterces for Defenses and Dirty Actions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56256 From: M. Martianius Lupus Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Re: Charioteers: Using Sesterces for Defenses and Dirty Actions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56257 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-09
Subject: REDS! REDS! REDS! Join the REDS! REDS! REDS!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56258 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-09
Subject: MEGALESIA: Adrian, a Play by Terence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56259 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-09
Subject: MEGALESIA: Plautus Certamen Historicum - Day 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56260 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-09
Subject: GO BLUES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56261 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-04-09
Subject: 4/12/2008 CE - Cerelia in Beloit, WI, USA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56262 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Re: 4/12/2008 CE - Cerelia in Beloit, WI, USA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56263 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Re: GO BLUES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56264 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Roman calendar, 4/10/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56265 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Re: Visit the MEGALESIA Wiki Page Today!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56266 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: MEGALESIA - Magna Mater Project.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56267 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Reminder: Rudimenta Latina ready for boarding!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56268 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Re: GO BLUES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56269 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: MEGALESIA - CLOSING ceremony
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56270 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: MEGALESIA Magna Mater Certamen Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56271 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Re: MEGALESIA Magna Mater Certamen Results: CORRECTION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56272 From: M. Martianius Lupus Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Re: MEGALESIA Magna Mater Certamen Results: CORRECTION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56273 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Re: MEGALESIA Magna Mater Certamen Results: CORRECTION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56274 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Re: Visit the MEGALESIA Wiki Page Today!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56275 From: GUY STORY Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Re - Help!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56276 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re - Help!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56277 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Out of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56278 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Re: De jure
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56279 From: Claudio Guzzo Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: De jure
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56280 From: theblueguide Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56281 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56282 From: Q. Ovidius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56283 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56284 From: Dora Smith Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56285 From: Dora Smith Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56286 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56287 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56288 From: Adriano Rota Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56289 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56290 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56292 From: Q. Ovidius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-13
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56293 From: Q. Ovidius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-13
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56294 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-13
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56295 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-13
Subject: Too little Greens and Whites!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56296 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-13
Subject: Re: Too little Greens and Whites!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56297 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-13
Subject: New Sacrifice to Concordia: The 10th Year of Nova Roma - Sacred Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56298 From: titus.aquila Date: 2008-04-14
Subject: Out of office Tribunus Plebis Titus Flavius Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56299 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2008-04-14
Subject: Re: Out of office Tribunus Plebis Titus Flavius Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56300 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-14
Subject: Re: Out of office Tribunus Plebis Titus Flavius Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56301 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-14
Subject: Re: Out of office Tribunus Plebis Titus Flavius Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56302 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2008-04-14
Subject: Re: De jure - A. Sempronio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56303 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2008-04-14
Subject: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56304 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-14
Subject: Re: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56305 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2008-04-14
Subject: Re: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56306 From: titus.aquila Date: 2008-04-14
Subject: Re: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56307 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-14
Subject: New file uploaded to Nova-Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56308 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-14
Subject: Nehalennia Temple in the Netherlands
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56309 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-15
Subject: To all in the Far East, 4/15/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56310 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2008-04-15
Subject: Lude Cereales CIRCENCES entry #1 of 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56311 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2008-04-15
Subject: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56312 From: adriano.rota Date: 2008-04-15
Subject: Roman Places ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56313 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-15
Subject: Sort of On/Off Topic -- Olympic Torch
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56314 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-15
Subject: Re: Sort of On/Off Topic -- Olympic Torch
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56315 From: Lucius Iulius Regulus Date: 2008-04-15
Subject: Re: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56316 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-15
Subject: Re: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56317 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2008-04-16
Subject: Re: Lude Cereales CIRCENCES entry #1 of 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56318 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-16
Subject: Subscriptions to chariot races: please use private mail address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56319 From: Adriano Rota Date: 2008-04-16
Subject: Re: Srious Qustion-Roman Places ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56320 From: James Mathews Date: 2008-04-16
Subject: The "Pilum" and "Roman Times" Quarterlies
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56321 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-16
Subject: EDICTUM n° 10 mod. the nb 09 and creating a gaming sodal.-college
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56322 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-16
Subject: Re: Srious Qustion-Roman Places ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56323 From: Adriano Rota Date: 2008-04-16
Subject: Re: M.Hortnsia Maior - asking for permission-Roman Places ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56324 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-04-16
Subject: Re: Subscriptions to chariot races: please use private mail address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56325 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-16
Subject: Re: Subscriptions to chariot races: please use private mail address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56326 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2008-04-17
Subject: Re: Subscriptions to chariot races: please use private mail address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56327 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-17
Subject: Sending private messages to people using the Yahoo message interface
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56328 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-17
Subject: Chariot Race: No more entries accepted!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56329 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-04-17
Subject: Venator ex machina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56330 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2008-04-17
Subject: Re: Roman Places ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56331 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-17
Subject: Re: Venator ex machina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56332 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-04-17
Subject: Re: Venator ex machina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56333 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-18
Subject: Re: De jure - A. Sempronio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56334 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-18
Subject: Re: Research Methods and Raw Materials // jure - A. Sempronio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56335 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-18
Subject: Re: Research Methods and Raw Materials // jure - A. Sempronio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56336 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-19
Subject: Citizens! Keep your e-mail information up to date!, 4/19/2008, 12:00
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56337 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-19
Subject: The 2761th Parilia of Rome - The 10th Parilia of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56338 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56339 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56340 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56341 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56342 From: M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56343 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: PARILIA TOMORROW!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56344 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56345 From: M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56346 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56347 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56348 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56349 From: M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56350 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56351 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56353 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-20
Subject: File - EDICTUM DE SERMONE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56354 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56355 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: A small ceremony for Palatua during the the 2761th Parilia of Rome w
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56356 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Historical quiz - Item #1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56357 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: Re: Venator ex machina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56358 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC Chariot race: Quarter-finals Round 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56359 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56181 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: Re: NR-HR topics
Cn. Lentulus Quiritibus sal.


Thank you, fellow citizens, that you answered to Appius Claudius Caecus. It has been usually my task, now you have made it, and in a good way. Your answer demonstrates that the majority of the Nova Romans know what we are about.


Valete!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56182 From: Claudio Guzzo Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: sorry. NR Topics
Salve.
I'm sorry, I was wrong.
I was sure you weren't interested to the Empire and to catholic Roma, but only to the classic and politeistic age.
I didn't drink too much, I read your messages and thought you tried to restore the republic and cultus deorum.
Now I understand that you just want to chat about ancient times, using this ML. You were sincere, sorry.
Vale
Appius Claudius Cicero
P.S.: I don't despite mails about sex or abortion or hippy culture, but I won't save NR digests. I wish to save only mails and news about respublica and cultus deorum.
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56183 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: Re: sorry. NR Topics
Salve Claudio;

I think this is best and you should avoid such 'hippies' as
Catullus, Ovid, Martial, Juvenal, Terence! Classical Roman poets and
writers, who wrote about love, sex, satire: funny goings-on at Bona
Dea.
Lentule, amice, it's not fair to make you to deal all the time with
this stultiloquentia [foolish talk];-)
vale
M. Hortensia Maior


> Vale
> Appius Claudius Cicero
> P.S.: I don't despite mails about sex or abortion or hippy culture,
but I won't save NR digests. I wish to save only mails and news about
respublica and cultus deorum.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56184 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: EDICT n° 61-08 on the organisation of Magna Mater Project
Salvete omnes,


Please find all the scheduled edict which actualizes the organization
of MMP, and specially of its Project Staff.

Welcome in MMP consilium to the new members! I will convene this
consilium in April to make a statement on the development of the
Project.


Valete omnes,



P. Memmius Albucius
aed. cur. praeses MMP consilii


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Aed. Cur. Memmius EDICT (n° 61-08) concerning the organization of
Magna Mater Project (Edictum de ordine Magnae Matris Institutum)


In view of my previous edict n° 61-07 on the management of the
aedilician fund (Edictum de regimine aerarii aedilicii), that the
present text specifies,

Edict :


Article 1 : Management of Magna Mater Project

The Magna Mater Project is lead either directly by the aediles, or by
a specially assigned scriba, called « Coordinator ».As every scriba
aedilicius, the Coordinator works under the responsibility of the
curule aediles. (S-)he may, if the aediles agree, take part to the
communication on the Project with the Senate. The coordinator has the
same mission and tasks than every project leader, applied naturally
to the specificities of Magna Mater Project.
For year 2761 a.u.c. (2008 c.c.), and in application of aedilician
edict n° 61-07 March 2761, a.d. Kal. Apr. XVI, (17/03/2008), Aedile
P. Memmius Albucius takes the direct responsibility of Magna Mater
Project.

Article 2 : Organization of Magna Mater Project

Aedilie Memmius is assisted in 2761/2008 by a Project team composed
of members of aedilician cohors, of a delegate of the consuls, and of
qualified personalities, chosen for their experience, skills and
involvement, specially for Magna Mater Project.
The Project team is chaired and managed by aedile P. Memmius Albucius
or, exceptionally in case of not avaibility, by a delegate member of
the aedilitas specially designed for this task.


Article 3 : Organization of Magna Mater Collegium

1. The Magna Mater Collegium is composed of twelve members :

P. Memmius Albucius curule aedile;

**members of aedilician cohors :
- L. Vitellius Triarius, quaestor, who will specially watch on Magna
Mater Project finances along with aed. Memmius, and assist him when
needed in reporting to the Senate;
- G. Marcius Crispus and Q. Valerius Poplicola, scribes.

**delegate of the consul : Eq. Iunia Laeca, quaestor.

**qualified personalities, ex qualities :
-Fr. Apulus Caesar, consularis, former aedile and Praefectus Italiae ;
-M. Iulius Perusianus, former aedile and praetor, currently in charge
of MMP European account ;
-T. Iulius Sabinus, consul, former coordinator, former aedile
-C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, censorius, former aedile and founder
of Magna Mater Project
-Gn. Equitius Marinus, censorius, for his wide knowledge of Nova Roma
laws and society, and of the American one.
-C. Curius Saturninus, former pl. Aedile, for his involvement in
issuing several promotion products on Magna Mater Project (dvd,
business cards, t-shirts..)
-O. Fabius Montanus, for his technical skills, and who is currently
in charge of Magna Mater Project web site.

2. The Magna Mater Collegium meets every two months on Idus
(15th) at 22:30 Rome time, except in August 2761 a.u.c.. The meeting
may last two days in the frame of a Yahoo! List, or a few hours
inside a real time messenger platform. The August meeting will take
place during the Conventus Daciae, at a day which will be specified
later.

3. The Magna Mater Collegium meets on a agenda proposed by the
aedile or his representative and sent to the members at least one
week before the meeting. The items discussed are relative to every
matter concerning the Project, specially its definition, its main
lines, its budget, its global strategy, its development, the actions
already undertaken and how they are made, etc..


Article 3
Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must, as far
as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be
published in the Tabularium Novae Romae at the following address,
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Tabularium_%28Nova_Roma%29, and
in Nova Roma Yahoo! relevant lists.


Issued in Cadomagus, Gallia, Kal. Apr. MMDCCLXI a.u.c. (1st April
2008 c.c.) during the consulate of M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
and T. Iulius Sabinus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56185 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: Re: Pontifex Maximus Flavius Galerius Aurelianus
LOL
I will keep that in mind. ;P
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina


PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
Just remember that in Nova Roma, the light at the end of the tunnel may be an oncoming train.
 
FGA


-----Original Message-----
From: L. Vitellius Triarius <lucius_vitellius_ triarius@ yahoo.com>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 5:31 pm
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pontifex Maximus Flavius Galerius Aurelianus

Triarius Aurelianus s.d.

Congratulations on PM! I think we may now have found the light at the
end of the tunnel...

Vale optime,
Triarius



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56186 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-01
Subject: Fwd: Yahoo! Groups Scheduled Site Maintenance
Forwarded FYI

----- Forwarded message from jheldt@... -----
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From: jheldt@...
Reply-To: moderatorcentral-owner@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [moderatorcentral] Yahoo! Groups Scheduled Site Maintenance��
To: moderatorcentral@yahoogroups.com

On April 2, from 2:00 PM to 3:00 PM PST, we will be conducting
emergency planned maintenance on the Groups site. During this time,
some groups will become unavailable for up to 30 minutes. Mail to
some groups may also be delayed for up to 60 minutes.

Thanks,
Yahoo! Groups Team




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CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56187 From: Thomas Vogel Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Thomas Vogel/MUC/AMADEUS is out of the office.

I will be out of the office starting 02-04-2008 and will not return until 03-04-2008.

Thank you and have a nice day

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56188 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Re: Fwd: Yahoo! Groups Scheduled Site Maintenance

Yet another reason we should have our own forums on our own server.
 
 
Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:23 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: Yahoo! Groups Scheduled Site Maintenance

Forwarded FYI

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Subject: [moderatorcentral] Yahoo! Groups Scheduled Site Maintenance��
To: moderatorcentral@ yahoogroups. com

On April 2, from 2:00 PM to 3:00 PM PST, we will be conducting
emergency planned maintenance on the Groups site. During this time,
some groups will become unavailable for up to 30 minutes. Mail to
some groups may also be delayed for up to 60 minutes.

Thanks,
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CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56189 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Re: Leges Saliciae (was Declare a mistrial please)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:
>
Caesar Cordo sal.

A rather late reply but other matters had seized my attention. I
assumed, correctly, that you thought the current legal system could
be improved by making it more akin to that of republican Rome.

Recent "court" events have demonstrated what I see are the
fundamental weaknesses, now, of any legal system in Nova Roma.

I have no doubt you could achieve a more historic model, and indeed
one that may actually function better than the current model, on
paper. I have no doubt that it would be more Roman and more
republican. The weakness is that we can simulate its use when
designing it, but have no idea in practice how it will be used.

There is a climate abroad, maybe more so now more than ever Corde
that is highly skeptical of the need for a legal system. This general
trend seems to fall into those groups of people that are:

a. Opposed to any legal system preferring moderation
b. Opposed to any complex legal system
c. Opposed to any adversarial model, preferring mediation
d. Opposed to any system that involves anything other than minimal
punishments.

There are insufficient internal individual brakes on the part of some
of those that either control the administration of the current system
or make use of it. I see no reason to suspect that any other model
would not be hijacked for political purposes, or reasons of petty
revenge. While we may debate the essence of what Nova Roma is or
isn't, state, community, corporation etc., the fundamental common
denominator is that membership/citizenship is voluntary. There is
only so much that people are prepared to tolerate, even from an
observer standpoint, before they simply walk out in disgust.
Interestingly this was always the charge levelled at the Boni, but
the current administration seems to have adopted an attidute of 'who
cares" to such an eventuality by its poor behaviour.

In the most recent substantive attempt to run a "trial", pettiness,
vindictiveness, a total lack of focus on the offence charged, craven
sycophancy, a flagrant disregard for the law by those charged with
administrating the "trial" and a total lack of impartiality were the
order of the day. The rather incomplete legal system we currently
have could have functioned had certain basic principles been
observed. It still would have had areas that needed addressing, but
it could have functioned. Those principles were not observed and in
fact they were abandoned in a shameless and shameful way. This will
have done nothing for the case for a legal system.

I am, sadly, starting to believe that this community as a whole is
far too immature in terms of years of existence to be trusted with
any legal system because instead of demonstrating that even in our
little res publica the law is sacred, and the concept and principles
of a legal system are something which people should nurture and
protect, as a fundamental benefit to the community and an expression
of Romantas in action, our community has witnessed a substantive
breakdown in the legal system. It has been taken as a political toy
and used for ends that have nothing whatsoever to do with justice.
Now you may say, (or not since you are keeping silent maybe until the
whole ghastly process is finally done) as you have frequently to me,
that those who drove the bus over the cliff are only here for a few
more months.

That would of course be absolutely correct, but I see no reason to
suspect that other future magistrates and participants in trials
emboldened by this frankly disgraceful behaviour on the part of the
Praetors, the abrogation of any responsibility by some of the iudices
to fulfill their mandate and the lack of intervention from those that
could have terminated this farce, will not emulate this shameful
behaviour in the future.

We have set some very unpleasant and unhealthy precedents here and
they diminish us all. So too is the case for any future legal system
diminished before it is ever designed, for what is designed on paper
Corde may be wonderful, a perfect model, but you can never build in
sufficient safeguards to prevent individuals from hijacking and
corrupting the system for their own ends and benefits in a way that
destroys the very essence of the purpose of a legal system. That is
now a reality in Nova Roma and must therefore be considered when
making decisions about what we change and how.

Some may say that this is what a Roman court frequently was. Well
much in the same vein as we always say we will never recreate slavery
for obvious reasons, so too I hope we will never recreate a system
that invites abuse and corruption by relying on the common sense,
good faith and the existence of a mos maiorum to act as brakes on
individuals in positions of power and authority. The brakes were
abandoned just a short while ago and the vehicle went out of control
and has damaged, I believe, the case for a legal system.

We can however look to the future and establish if this system can
redeem itself when a wider audience is involved. Looking even further
ahead we will have to wait and see how it handles the time when these
disgraceful actions become subject of review and hopefully sanction,
for that will happen, you most certainly can rely on that.


> A. Apolonius Cn. Caesari Q. Poplicolae sal.
>
> I have the impression, gentlemen, that both of you are rather
misinterpreting what I have been saying. You seem to be replying as
though I were saying, first, that the current judicial system is a
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56190 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Concordia Ritual of Kal. Apr. for the 10th Year of Nova Roma - The S
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, sacerdos Concordiae, sacerdos Pannoniae, quaestor, legatus pro praetore: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, Senatui Populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam:
 
 
Salvete, Quirites!
 
May Our Goddess shine upon you!

Sorry for the delay, the ritual was made yesterday and at very late night, so I could not post this earlier: the ritual of the Kalends of April is done properly!

The video records of the magnificent sacrifice of the Concordialia on the Kalend of March aren't ready yet, but tomorrow I go to the fellow citizen who made them and we will continue the cutting and editing. Within a week I can give you the film about the Concordialia!

The Concordialia was the central element of the Sacred Year and Tenth Anniversary, but now I follow my vow and pray to Concordia constantly on every Kalends and Ides, through the whole year.

Yesterday was the Kalends of April. The previous Kalends were OUR FOUNDATION DAY.

Now it's the time to look at the future, the future of Nova Roma.

Let us pray Goddess Concordia for the future of Nova Roma!
 
I encourage everybody to pray Goddess Concordia of Nova Roma, the Goddess of the Nova Roman Creative Peace and Cooperation. With Her help and support we can be a powerful, great, worldwide and worldclass movement: the modern Roman Movement for the restoration of classical Roman religion, culture and virtues.
 
PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!
 
I especially ask our Magistrates and Senators: send me your prayers to Concordia and I will allocate them in the Virtual Temple of Concordia of the Nova Roman People:
 
 
Visit the Virtual Temple of Concordia and leave a personal prayer!
 
PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!
 
 
Yesterday's sacrifice was done before my home altar. I worshiped Concordia for the unity, strength and successful harmony of the New Roman People and I have given Her wine and incense. The ritual was this:
 
 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
SACRIFICIUM CONCORDIAE KALENDIS APRILIBUS ANNI SACRI X NOVAE ROMAE CONDITAE 
 
 
Favete linguis!
 
(Beginning of the sacrifice.)
 
PRAEFATIO
 
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, 
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

 
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!"
 
(Libation of wine is made.)


PRECATIO
 
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
hisce Kalendis Aprilibus anni decimi Novae Romae conditae
te precor quaesoque:
uti pacem concordiamque constantem
societati Novae Romae tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque discordiis liberes;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat,
atque hoc anno anniversario decimo Novae Romae conditae convalescat,
atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
et futura clarissima ac beatissima et gloriosissima Nova Roma habeat;
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, 
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hoc anno decimo Novae Romae eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
utique sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, 
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi,
quaeque ita faxis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitia
hoc anno anniversario decimo Novae Romae conditae,
hisce Kalendis Aprilibus anni decimi Novae Romae conditae
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, 
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

 
(Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)
 
 
REDDITIO
 
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo
et vino libando
bonas preces precatus sum,
earundem rerum ergo
macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made)
 
Ilicet!
 
(End of the sacrifice.)
 
 
PIACULUM
 
Iane,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,
hoc vino inferio
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio.
 
(Libation of wine is made.)
 
 
 
Valete in Concordia!
May Concordia be with you!






Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------------------
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56191 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Taxes.
SALVETE!

I want to present my thanks to all who paid the tax until now.
Today, there are listed 100 assidui !

http://tinyurl.com/2olu4e

I encourage our citizens to pay the tax.
In the same time I want to remind that the deadline to pay the tax is
the last day of April. After that date, taxes may be remitted, too,
but with a penalty of an extra 50%.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXI

Citizens who paid the tax and their name is not displayed in
the "List of assidui" can contact me, private, in order as the
problem to be solved.

Thank you.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Consul.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56192 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Taxpayers and the Wiki
Salvete Romans

If you go to the Wiki page and look at the list of taxpayers a large number
of them appear
in RED. This is because they need a short biographical listing made. It
would be nice if all the
taxpayers would take a few minutes to write one so we can get each other a
little better.

You could tell us what Romans province you reside in, where you when to
school, what you do for a living or how you fell in love with all things
Roman!! Whatever you like you can include.

If you do not know your way around the Wiki this would be a good place to
learn a little about it.


Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56193 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: IMPVESTOS
Marcus Iulius Severus prætor mexici omnibus mexicanis civibus S•P•D•
 
Hago del conocimiento de todos ustedes el siguiente mensaje que ha dirigido el Cónsul Titus Iulius Sabinus a todos los ciudadanos de Nova Roma, acerca del pago de los impuestos correspondientes al año en curso.
 
Valete optime,
 
M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVƕROMÆ

SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIƕMEXICO
SCRIBA•CENSORIS•K•F•B•M
INTERPRETER
MVSÆVS•COLLEGII•ERATOVS•SODALITATIS•MVSARVM
SOCIVS•CHORI•MVSARVM
 
Salvete!

Quiero dar las gracias a todos los que han pagado los impuestos hasta ahora.
Al día de hoy, tenemos registrados a 100 assidui.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Nova_Roman_taxpayers_2761_A.U.C_%28Nova_Roma%29

Exhorto a nuestros ciudadanos a que npaguen los impuestos.
Al mismo tiempo, deseo recordarles que la fecha límite para realizar su pago, es el 30 de abril. Después de ese día, el pago de los impuestos tendrá un recargo del 50%.

http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Tax_ rate_MMDCCLXI

Aquellos ciudadanos que hayan pagado sus impuestos y no aparezcan en la lista de los assidui, pueden ponerse en contacto conmigo, en privado, para resolver el problema.
Muchas gracias.

Valete,
IVL•SABINVS
CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56194 From: M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: IMPUESTOS DE NOVA ROMA
Marcus Curiatius Complutensis  Prætor Hispaniae omnibus civibus Provincia Hispaniae SPD

Transmito para vuestro conocimiento el mensaje del Consul Iulius Sabinus a todos los ciudadanos de Nova Roma, acerca del pago de los impuestos de este año.

Valete

M•CVRIATIVS•COMPLVTENSIS
PRÆTOR NOVÆ ROMÆ
Senator
Prætor Hispaniæ
Scriba Censoris  KFBM
NOVA ROMA
 
-------------------------------------------
 
ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima

Salvete!

Quiero dar las gracias a todos los que han pagado los impuestos hasta ahora.
Al día de hoy, tenemos registrados a 100 assidui.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Nova_Roman_taxpayers_2761_A.U.C_%28Nova_Roma%29

Exhorto a nuestros ciudadanos a que npaguen los impuestos.
Al mismo tiempo, deseo recordarles que la fecha límite para realizar su pago, es el 30 de abril. Después de ese día, el pago de los impuestos tendrá un recargo del 50%.

http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Tax_ rate_MMDCCLXI

Aquellos ciudadanos que hayan pagado sus impuestos y no aparezcan en la lista de los assidui, pueden ponerse en contacto conmigo, en privado, para resolver el problema.
Muchas gracias.

Valete,
IVL•SABINVS
CONSVL•NOVƕROMÆ
 
Asmismo recuerdo a todos los ciudadanos que deseen paga sus impuestos  que deben contactar conmigo.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56195 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Re: Leges Saliciae (was Declare a mistrial please)
L. Livia Plauta Cn. Iulio Caesari omnibus quiritibusque S.P.D.

I hereby disassociate myself from the opinions expressed by Gnaeus
Iulius Caesar.

Because I have been advocating a legal system reform, some people may
have had the impression that I disagreed with the praetors concerning
their conduct during the trial of Cincinnatus Augur.
So probably it's time to repeat that in my opinion the praetors, in
particular praetor Complutensis, acted within the limits of legality
and their competences, and so did the jury.

In my opinion our legal system hasn't been "hijacked", distorted or
abused by anyone, but it just showed its limits in a situation it
didn't foresee.

I particularly disagree with the following statements by Cn. Iulius
Caesar:

>
> There are insufficient internal individual brakes on the part of
some
> of those that either control the administration of the current
system
> or make use of it. I see no reason to suspect that any other model
> would not be hijacked for political purposes, or reasons of petty
> revenge.


>
> In the most recent substantive attempt to run a "trial", pettiness,
> vindictiveness, a total lack of focus on the offence charged,
craven
> sycophancy, a flagrant disregard for the law by those charged with
> administrating the "trial" and a total lack of impartiality were
the
> order of the day.


(...) Those principles were not observed and in
> fact they were abandoned in a shameless and shameful way. This will
> have done nothing for the case for a legal system.
>
(...) our community has witnessed a substantive
> breakdown in the legal system. It has been taken as a political toy
> and used for ends that have nothing whatsoever to do with justice.

>
> We have set some very unpleasant and unhealthy precedents here and
> they diminish us all. So too is the case for any future legal
system
> diminished before it is ever designed, (...)

(...) The brakes were
> abandoned just a short while ago and the vehicle went out of
control
> and has damaged, I believe, the case for a legal system.
>


Curate ut valeatis,
L. Livia Plauta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56196 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-04-02
Subject: Re: Leges Saliciae (was Declare a mistrial please)
Cn Iulius Caesar L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus sal.

Your post is hardly a hardly a surprise. Your position is already
well established.

"I'm convinced that my duty as a tribune is to defend the rights and
interests of the Nova Roman community and of Nova Roman citizens from
possible abuses of power. But in case the rights and interests of one
citizen conflict with those of the community I will always defend the
latter."
--Tribune Plauta Message 55531, Main List.

It is precisely because of this sort of supine approach to the
question of rights and the law that this trial was firstly allowed
to proceed and secondly conclude of the grounds that it did. You
have already established your credentials as an agent of the state.
This state that is currently represented by a clique of magistrates
who liberally interpret what is in the best interests of citizens in
order to justify actions that are clearly unconstitutional and
illegal.

A consistent theme in these proceedings, for I really have trouble
dignifying what just occurred as a trial, was the abandonment of due
process, rights and civil liberties. However there is clearly no
appreciation in certain quarters that the rights of a community are
built on the collective rights of individuals, and that the
eradication of one person's rights is a compromise of all our
rights, and thus on the rights of the community that you seek to
protect.

Your silence Tribune throughout this issue is an indicator to me and
others that your loyalties lie not with your duty to protect the
Constitution and citizens rights under that document and the law,
but elsewhere. Where and possibly with whom those loyalties lie
will, I am sure, become apparent over the course of the coming
months.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...>
wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta Cn. Iulio Caesari omnibus quiritibusque S.P.D.
>
> I hereby disassociate myself from the opinions expressed by Gnaeus
> Iulius Caesar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56197 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: A group dedicated to new or prospective citizens, 4/3/2008, 12:00 pm
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   A group dedicated to new or prospective citizens
 
Date:   Thursday April 3, 2008
Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
Notes:   NewRoman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newroman/ is a group where new and prospective citizens can meet and ask questions of some experienced citizens in a safe, moderated and low-traffic environment.
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56198 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the Wiki
Cn. Lentulus Ti. Galerio Paulino sal.
 
 
>>> If you go to the Wiki page and look at the list of taxpayers a large number
of them appear in RED. This is because they need a short biographical listing made. It  would be nice if all the taxpayers would take a few minutes to write one so we can get each other a little better. <<<
 
 
There is a policy established about creating such biographical listings. The rule is that only those who are or have been magistrates or famous citizens can have such pages: for the others remains the Album Civium only.
 
So, simple citizens cannot create such pages.

I don't know whether this is a good rule or not, but presently this is how it works.
 
 
Vale!
 
CN LENTVLVS


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56199 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Impostos 2008
SALVETE!
 
Quero demonstrar meu agradecimento a todos aqueles que pagaram seus impostos até agora.
Hoje, temos 100 assidui!!
 
 
Eu gostaria de incentivar os demais cidadãos a também pagarem seus impostos.
Ao mesmo tempo, gostaria de lembrar que o último dia para efetuar o pagamento é o último dia de abril. Após esta data, ainda se poderá pagar, mas com uma multa de 50%.
 
 
Cidadãos que já pagaram e o nome ainda não está na lista podem me contatar, em particular, para podermos resolver o problema.
 
Obrigado.
 
VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Cônsul.
 
[Tradução para o português pelo Interpres T. Arminius Genialis. A versão oficial é a em inglês do Consul Iulius Sabinus].
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56200 From: Gaius Marcius Crispus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Taxpayers and the wiki
Salvete omnes

Then that is a very silly and pointless rule, surely.

Why should it be restricted to famous people and magistrates (and
presumably those of even higher status).

Freedom to the people. Lets all have a go!

I intend to add a bio note very soon, rule or no rule.

Vale optime

C Marcius Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56201 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki
Cn. Lentulus C. Marcio sal.
 

>>> Then that is a very silly and pointless rule, surely.
Why should it be restricted to famous people and magistrates (and
presumably those of even higher status). <<<<

 
Well, this is not silly or pointless, but it's possible that the other solution would be better.
 
As for why should it be restricted, the webmasters and wikimagisters can answer it.
 
 
Vale!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56202 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Edictum consulis Daciae VIII - about provincial administration.
EX OFFICIO CONSULIS DACIAE :

EDICTUM CONSULIS DACIAE VIII ABOUT PROVINCIAL ADMINISTRATION
APPOINTMENTS.

1. Oppius Fabius Montanus is hereby appointed as Procurator Provincia
Dacia (1st rank Official).
2. Gaius Tullius Niger is hereby appointed as Legatus Internis Rebus
(2nd rank Official).

This edict is effective immediately.
Hoc edictum statim valet.

Given under my hand this 4th day of April 2761 a.U.c in the
consulship of M.Moravius and T. Iulius.
Datum sub manu mea pr. Non. Aprilis MMDCCLXI a.U.c. M. Moravio T.
Iulio cos.

T. IVL SABINVS
Consul Dacia.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56203 From: Gaius Marcius Crispus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Taxpayers and the wiki
C Marcius Crispus Gn Lentulo omnibusque s.p.d

Thank you Lentule for your defence of the rule, though I suspect you
are equally unconvinced of its value.

Perhaps someone would find and refer us to this rule, and offer some
defence of it.

It does seem pointless to me to highlight names in red, which suggests
that "red" people have been at fault for not posting biographical
details, when "blue" people have been assiduous not only in paying
taxes but also in attending to their bio entry.

If people are not allowed to post bio details, why make them "red"
Surely they should be left in black. Red suggests we are at fault.

And therefore it still seems pointless and silly to me, and I think
that we need to know whether this is indeed a rule, and if so to have
the reason for it explained.

Vale Lentule, et valete omnes

C Marcius Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56204 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki

C. Aemilius Crassus C. Marcio Crispo omnibusque SPD,

 

The red and blue in the names doesn’t mean anything about the persons, since it is an automatic feature of the wiki. Red means a link to a non existing page in the Nova Roma Wiki and blue means a link to an existing page.

 

Di te incolumem custodiant.


 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56205 From: l.coruncanius_cato Date: 2008-04-03
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki
Salvete omnes,

For people used to wikis and their behaviour it means nothing, but
many people are not used to work with wikis.
It can be changed to black by changing one line at the css rules, and
this conversations would not be repeating every year.

Easy :)

--
Di te incolumem custodiant
Lucius Coruncanius Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Aemilius Crassus
<septemtrionis@...> wrote:
>
> C. Aemilius Crassus C. Marcio Crispo omnibusque SPD,
>
> The red and blue in the names doesn¢t mean anything about the
persons, since it is an automatic feature of the wiki. Red means a
link to a non existing page in the Nova Roma Wiki and blue means a
link to an existing page.
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant.
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
> DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of
Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
> http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56206 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki
Salvete omnes,

As I was scolded previously for editing some short biographies on the
Regional Prefects of our Provincia (who were red liners), I was told
we do not want the wiki to turn into a "MySpace" environment.

I personally find this absolutely absurd on one hand and absolutely
necessary on another. Both lines of thought have their merits and
faults.

If we would stop creating lists like this with links, and just make
them plain text, the problem would be solved. There are many good
and dedicated cives that are actively involved on the provincial,
regional and local levels, who have absolutely no desire to
participate in the top level electoral process. There is no point in
continually pointing out via blue/red lined text that these cives
have not "stepped up to the plate to bat" in the NR Political Ball
Game.

However, when a civis is appointed to a provincial, regional or local
position of responsibility in the Res Publica, they should be allowed
to post at least a short biography of themselves, so that current and
prospective cives could know at least something about their
leadership.

I personally think the biography restrictions have less to do with
wiki formating and website integrity and more to do with some deep-
rooted archaic ego-based thought patterns.

Maybe, we should post a disclaimer:

"Hey! Thanks for joining! But remember, we really don't want you to
tell us anything about yourself until you are elected to the Cursus
Honorum!"

I personally am quite puzzled at the lack of knowledge and
understanding by the leadership of two specific words in our English
business language: "DELETE" and "UNSUBSCRIBE".

Vale optime,
Triarius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "l.coruncanius_cato"
<l.coruncanius_cato@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> For people used to wikis and their behaviour it means nothing, but
> many people are not used to work with wikis.
> It can be changed to black by changing one line at the css rules,
and
> this conversations would not be repeating every year.
>
> Easy :)
>
> --
> Di te incolumem custodiant
> Lucius Coruncanius Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Aemilius Crassus
> <septemtrionis@> wrote:
> >
> > C. Aemilius Crassus C. Marcio Crispo omnibusque SPD,
> >
> > The red and blue in the names doesn¢t mean anything about the
> persons, since it is an automatic feature of the wiki. Red means a
> link to a non existing page in the Nova Roma Wiki and blue means a
> link to an existing page.
> >
> > Di te incolumem custodiant.
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
------------
> > C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
> > DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
------------
> >
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
______________
> > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of
> Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
> > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56207 From: Gaius Marcius Crispus Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: Taxpayers and the wiki
Salvete omnes

Thank you Cato and Triari for your posts, and expecially Triarius who
makes very sensible suggestions, as ever.

Valete optime

C Marcius Crispus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56208 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki
Salvete Omnes,
 
Having a NR wiki bio page is hardly any similarity to a Myspace page.
 
Let me point out the differences:
 
NR wiki bio page:
 
- You have to be a citizen of Nova Roma.
- There's a short biography of yourself, which any NR wiki editor can change.
- List of Cursus Honorum, or awards from games perhaps
- A link to your album civium
 
 
Myspace:
 
- You don't have to be a citizen of anything
- You can put up a short biography of yourself, or not
- You can put up albums of photos of you and your friends, etc
- People can post comments about you and your photos
- There's a list of myspace friends
- You can change the entire layout and design on your myspace page
- You can put music and videos on your page
- You can put up games, quizzes, polls
- You have a blog.
- Myspace reminds you of your friends birthdays.
- There's a bulletin board where all of your friends can post.
- There's a private message system.
- You can limit access to your page
- No one can change your page, unless your account is hacked.
- There are millions of myspace users.
 
 
I wouldn't mind knowing a bit more about our fellow citizens via a bio page, which is why I love Roman Space. Unfortunately not all citizens are using Roman Space.
 
Valete,
 
Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56209 From: Nabarz Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: Roman and Persian religions
Hi,

In case anyone is interested I did an interview on Roman and Persian
esoteric/mystical related material for Resonance radio station in
London this week for the programme 'Six Pillars To Persia' it will be
aired again on Sunday at 20:30 FM104.4. If you are not in London it
can heard online via the radio station's website:
http://resonancefm.com/

and later on as a podcost at

http://sixpillarstopersia.wordpress.com

Regards,
Nabarz

http://www.myspace.com/nabarz
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56210 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: MEGALESIA !!
Aed. P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.

This is time for Megalesia ! On behalf of my collega S. Lucilius
Tutor, currently impeached, and who is normally in charge this year
of this important Ludi, I declare the Ludi Megalenses open !!

Please have all a thought to the hard times of Punic wars, when the
Magna Mater dea had honored our City accepting sailing to Rome, and
settling on Palatine.

Let us honor our Magna Mater and have fun all along these Ludi!

My collega Lucilius and Quaestor Hortensia will specify as soon as
possible the detail of the Ludi program.

Valete bene omnes !


Memmius aed.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56211 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-04
Subject: VI Conventus Novae Romae - Dacia.
SALVETE!

The VI Conventus Novae Romae organized in Dacia is an event which
tries to bring to participants the joyful of a trip in harmony with
the passion for the ancient roman world.
We will visit historical places and museums. We will participate to
debates and we will see movies with roman and dacian theme and in
the middle of the meeting participants will spend a day in roman
ancient fashion at the roman baths from Thermae Herculi still in use
after 2000 years.
The remains of Trajan Bridge, the ancient roman capital of Dacia,
Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegethusa and the monument from Densus are places
which, near the beautiful landscapes of Romania, will complete yours
memories about an area characterized in the tumultuous time of
history as an island of 'latinitas' and 'romanitas' in the South
Eastern Europe.

Details:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/VI_Conventus_Novae_Romae

It is a great honor for Provincia Dacia to host this important event
of Nova Roma.
It is a great honor for Provincia Dacia citizens to welcome their
roman co-fellows as participants to this event.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56212 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: MEGALESIA Certamen Historicum Questions - Day 1
Salvete omnes!

Here are is the first round of questions for the Certamen Historicum
on the Magna Mater:

*************************************************************

DAY 1 QUESTIONS

1. When Cybele was worshipped in Phrygia, she was depicted as a
seated woman, flanked by what?

2. As a small child, the Magna Mater was put out into the wilderness
to die, but instead of killing her, who nurtured her and helped her
grow up into an intelligent, beautiful and headstrong woman?

3. What type of musical instruments did the Magna Mater invent?

4. Who did Cybele fall in love with and what happened to both of them?

5. Who led the cult of the Magna Mater?

6. What were the names of the two major fraternities that most of the
worshippers of the Magna Mater organized into?

7. What language was the liturgy of the cult of the Magna Mater in?

8. What geographic features were sacred to the Magna Mater, and where
her temples were often built near?

9. What sacred structure is built on top of the original temple of
the Magna Mater?

10. What names were used by the Arabians for the Magna Mater?

*************************************************************

Send your answers to the following before Midnight, Rome Time, April
5th:

lucius_vitellius_triarius@...

Vale optime,
and good answering!

For the Aediles:

L. Vitellius Triarius
Quaestor
Aedilitas Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56213 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: Lord Apollo, 4/5/2008, 12:00 pm
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Lord Apollo
 
Date:   Saturday April 5, 2008
Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every month on the first Saturday.
Notes:   Apollo is worshiped by many, including Romans. His most famous temple, the now-ruined Temple of Delphi, is once each week, at dawn on Sunday, the geographic axis of "Kyklos Apollon". At that time-Delphi dawn-we may perform the brief, potent ritual delineated in the group site. We may perform some other gesture, perhaps as simple as a nod of acknowledgment, a quick libation poured from a cup. But for this one moment, as the Sun first shines upon the ancient columns, we are together. Even though we are few, and scattered across the world, we are in that one moment *together*, a great Kyklos in the light of Apollon.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KyklosApollon/ Hint: If you set your membership to "Special Notices", you will get only the group reminders with the correct sunrise time at Delphi each week.



"Hestia, you who tend the holy house of the lord Apollo, the Far-shooter at goodly Pytho, with soft oil dripping ever from your locks, come now into this house, come, having one mind with Zeus the all-wise -- draw near, and withal bestow grace upon my song." (Homeric Hymns - XXIV)

"We ask the blessing of ancient Hecate, faithful and awesome, daughter of the Titans Coeus and gold-crowned Phoebe. 'Great honor comes full easily to him whose prayers the goddess receives favorably'" (Hesiod, Theogony - VII)

"Lord Apollo, How, then, shall I sing of you... who in all ways are a worthy theme of song?" (Homeric Hymn: to Delian Apollo)
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56214 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: Your citizen photo, 4/5/2008, 12:00 pm
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Your citizen photo
 
Date:   Saturday April 5, 2008
Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
Notes:   Citizens! You can update or change your photo in the Album Civium and on the website by following the instructions here: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/NovaRoma:Submit_Citizen_Photo
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56215 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: New free and online course about Latin at our university
Cn. Lentulus Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis omnibus sal.


I forward you A. Gratius Avitus' message. Please, all Nova Romans, consider this opportunity. This is a first step into the direction to start learning Latin.

Never forget: you cannot be a true Roman without knowing Latin (or at least trying to know) the eternal language of the Romans!


The message of A. Gratius Avitus:


Avitus Latinistis optimis suís S·P·D

As the Dean of the Faculty of Letters of the Academia Thules, I am very proud to announce that the third edition of our course Rudimenta Latina (LL-P-1) is now open for enrolment.

This is one of our Preliminary courses, and its objective is to start students' familiarisation with the Latin language and its historical relevance. A lot of information which is unknown to many will be provided.

The course was first designed by me, and I have steered two successful editions of the same already. Now, my colleague A. Tullia Scholastica will take over the helm for the third and hopefully all future editions. She is an excellent Latinist and teacher, as you know, and deservedly magistra of this sodalitas.

The course will start on Monday the 14th of April 2008. Please hurry up and don't miss this wonderful oportunity to learn more about the whole and real history of the Latin language.

Please check the relevant information perusing the Facultas Litterarum page:
http://www.academia thules.org/ studyguide/ facultaslitterar um/

If you are not yet a student of the Academia Thules, please become one by following the explanations in its website:
http://www.academia thules.org/

If you are already registered at the Academia Thules, you just need to click on the relevant course title in the CMS to enrol for it.

Curate ut valeatis omnes!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56216 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: Megalesia: opening religious ritual
As the Megalensia week begins, I invoke the Blessings of Magna Mater

upon all the Citizens of Nova Roma and all who love the Glory of
Rome!

May She bring protection and prosperity to those who remember Her
Ancient Name,

In this, Her joyous festival week!

- Quinta Iulia Caesar, Sacer.M.D.M.I.

* * * * * * *

AVE CYBELE, BERECYNTHIA MATER!

AVE DINDYMENE, MATER DEVM MAGNA IDAEA!

TE PRECOR BONAS PRECES,

VTI SIES VOLENS PROPITIA NOBIS.

O DEA CAELESTIS, ITA EST.

* * * * * * *
http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/cult.htm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56217 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: Re: Megalesia: matutiones ritual for home
M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd:
and here quirities is a sellisternia ritual: a dinner honoring
Magna Mater that I wrote with the assistance of M. Moravius
Piscinus, pontifex.
If you wish to have a dinner to honor her, just like our ancestors
please use this caerimonia:

Home Sellisternia ritual
A banqueting table is prepared, and those to share in the meal
invited. A prominent chair , perhaps raised, is spread with precious
fabrics and pillow, while a mural crown or statue of the goddess is
reverently borne on a sacred litter tensa to this seat. Or may be
simply place her . This is a home ritual. This sellisternia is a
special sacred rite invoking the goddess as permanent protector of
the state, of Rome.

The host/sacrificer should be freshly bathed adorned in a
tunica/tunic only , with the head unveiled as this is a ritu
phyrgium Then set before the goddess an altar and the offering wine,
especially the moretum, goddess addressed with this prayer:

"Great Mother, because it is proper for cheese and herbs to be given
to you (in the house of my family) for a sacred feast, for the sake
of this thing may you be honoured by this feast offering." [1]

"Magna Mater, quod tibi fieri oportet (in domo familia mea) culignam
moreto? (dapi) eius rei ergo macte hac illace dape pollucenda esto."

Then wash your hands either in a bowl placed before you or carried
by an attendant, using words from M. Moravius Horatius Piscinus'
daily Lararium ritual.

After then say "Great Mother, may you be honoured by this feast
offering, may you be honoured by the cheese and herbs sacrificed."

"Magna Mater, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte moreto
inferio esto." Give to Vesta if you wish. The sacred banquet for
Magna Mater is moretum and wine, then to Magna Mater profane the
offering, the moretum with your touch,

Give everyone at the banquet a portion of the moretum, making sure a
small portion is left for the goddess.

During the banquet, guests may address the Great Mother, Magna
Mater, making additional offerings (such as wine, incense) and
asking for favours and blessings in return 3# Nova Roma Template for
Domestic Roman Sacrifice.

The Great Mother delights in sound and noise, so a solemn evening is
inappropriate. Guests should play the flute and drums or play a
record or cd of lively raucous drums.

Here is a selection of prayers : from M.J. Vermaseren "Cybele and
Attis; the Myth and the Cult". Also P. 86 from Book 10 of the
Aeneid.


http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Magna_Mater_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
>
> As the Megalensia week begins, I invoke the Blessings of Magna
Mater
>
> upon all the Citizens of Nova Roma and all who love the Glory of
> Rome!
>
> May She bring protection and prosperity to those who remember Her
> Ancient Name,
>
> In this, Her joyous festival week!
>
> - Quinta Iulia Caesar, Sacer.M.D.M.I.
>
> * * * * * * *
>
> AVE CYBELE, BERECYNTHIA MATER!
>
> AVE DINDYMENE, MATER DEVM MAGNA IDAEA!
>
> TE PRECOR BONAS PRECES,
>
> VTI SIES VOLENS PROPITIA NOBIS.
>
> O DEA CAELESTIS, ITA EST.
>
> * * * * * * *
> http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/cult.htm
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56218 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-05
Subject: MEGALESIA Certamen Historicum Questions - Day 2
Salvete omnes!

Here is the second set of questions for the Magna Mater Certamen
Historicum. If you did not get a chance to answer the Day 1
Questions, you may still enter the contest.

There are 3 sets of 10 questions each. All answers must be recieved
no later than Midnight Rome time on April the 7th. First, Second and
Third place will be presented with a Ludi Cultural Award Medal with
neck ribbon.

All answers to the Certamen will be announced on April 10th with the
Final Results, so send in your answers today!

Send your answers to:

lucius_vitellius_triarius@...

********************************************************

DAY 2 QUESTIONS

11. What did the major festival to the Magna Mater on March 25th
represent?

12. What were the ceremonial events that the Cannophori carried out
on the March 25th Festival?

13. How was each temple to the Magna Mater organized in relation to
the other temples?

14. What were the four (4) priestly ranks in the MM Temple, from
highest to lowest status?

15. How were new initiates of the cult inducted into the priesthood?

16. What was the name used by the Greeks to represent the Magna Mater?

17. What was the name used by the Babylonians to represent the Magna
Mater?

18. What was the name used by the Sumerians to represent the Magna
Mater?

19. What types of offerings were especially reserved for the Magna
Mater?

20. When and why was it decided that the Magna Mater had to come to
Rome?

********************************************************

Valete optime,

L. Vitellius Triarius
Quaestor
Aedilitas Curulis

For:

Quaestor M. Hortensia Maior
Aed. Cur. Sex. Lucilius Tutor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56219 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: New free and online course about Latin at our university
Re: [Nova-Roma] New free and online course about Latin at our university
A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo collegae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    With Lentulus, I encourage our citizens and other interested parties to register for our various free online courses at the Academia Thules.  The Rudimenta Latina course is the only one open for registration at present, for the others are in session and cannot be entered.  This Rudimenta course is a nine week book course, that is, one must purchase and read the text, then take a final examination on the contents.  There are no lessons per se, though Avitus has provided some additional instructional material.  Other than reading the text and taking the examination, the only requirement is that one must post to the class forum thrice at defined intervals; the instructor will answer any questions via the same method.  

    I suspect that the link below was broken, for there was an extra space in the URL; I have corrected this, but it may be necessary to retype part of the link in order to access the information on the AT site.  

    In the northern hemisphere Fall/Autumn (September/October), the language courses will resume; the instructional phase of the current editions of the Grammatica Latina courses should end in four to eight weeks, respectively, followed by some little tests.  Sermo Latinus II has concluded except for the final examination.  

Valete.   
 

Cn. Lentulus Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis omnibus sal.


I forward you A. Gratius Avitus' message. Please, all Nova Romans, consider this opportunity. This is a first step into the direction to start learning Latin.

Never forget: you cannot be a true Roman without knowing Latin (or at least trying to know) the eternal language of the Romans!


The message of A. Gratius Avitus:


Avitus Latinistis optimis suís S·P·D
 
 As the Dean of the Faculty of Letters of the Academia Thules, I am very proud to announce that the third edition of our course Rudimenta Latina (LL-P-1) is now open for enrolment.
 
 This is one of our Preliminary courses, and its objective is to start students' familiarisation with the Latin language and its historical relevance. A lot of information which is unknown to many will be provided.
 
 The course was first designed by me, and I have steered two successful editions of the same already. Now, my colleague A. Tullia Scholastica will take over the helm for the third and hopefully all future editions. She is an excellent Latinist and teacher, as you know, and deservedly magistra of this sodalitas.
 
 The course will start on Monday the 14th of April 2008. Please hurry up and don't miss this wonderful oportunity to learn more about the whole and real history of the Latin language.
 
 Please check the relevant information perusing the Facultas Litterarum page:
 http://www.academia thules.org/studyguide/ facultaslitterarum/ <http://www.academiathules.org/studyguide/facultaslitterarum/>
 
 If you are not yet a student of the Academia Thules, please become one by following the explanations in its website:
 http://www.academia thules.org/ <http://www.academiathules.org/>
 
 If you are already registered at the Academia Thules, you just need to click on the relevant course title in the CMS to enrol for it.
 
 Curate ut valeatis omnes!

  

     
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56220 From: benjamin bryon Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: New free and online course about Latin at our university
I am enrolled in the university, but I cannot seem to enroll your basic latin course, nor can i find any information on how to enroll on the site. I am currently trying to take the course exam for ARC p1, Basic greek and Roman history, but as the exam date passed and I couldn't log on Now when I can log on I can't locate the exam! I navigating around the university website a prerquisite for entering the hallowed walls of higher learning? Please help me to try and enroll and finish a course as the instructions are not easy (at least for myself, and I consider myself to be fairly computer literate). Thanks in advance, Ben Bryon  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] New free and online course about Latin at our university

A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo collegae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    With Lentulus, I encourage our citizens and other interested parties to register for our various free online courses at the Academia Thules.  The Rudimenta Latina course is the only one open for registration at present, for the others are in session and cannot be entered.  This Rudimenta course is a nine week book course, that is, one must purchase and read the text, then take a final examination on the contents.  There are no lessons per se, though Avitus has provided some additional instructional material.  Other than reading the text and taking the examination, the only requirement is that one must post to the class forum thrice at defined intervals; the instructor will answer any questions via the same method.  

    I suspect that the link below was broken, for there was an extra space in the URL; I have corrected this, but it may be necessary to retype part of the link in order to access the information on the AT site.  

    In the northern hemisphere Fall/Autumn (September/October) , the language courses will resume; the instructional phase of the current editions of the Grammatica Latina courses should end in four to eight weeks, respectively, followed by some little tests.  Sermo Latinus II has concluded except for the final examination.  

Valete.   
 

Cn. Lentulus Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis omnibus sal.


I forward you A. Gratius Avitus' message. Please, all Nova Romans, consider this opportunity. This is a first step into the direction to start learning Latin.

Never forget: you cannot be a true Roman without knowing Latin (or at least trying to know) the eternal language of the Romans!


The message of A. Gratius Avitus:


Avitus Latinistis optimis suís S·P·D
 
 As the Dean of the Faculty of Letters of the Academia Thules, I am very proud to announce that the third edition of our course Rudimenta Latina (LL-P-1) is now open for enrolment.
 
 This is one of our Preliminary courses, and its objective is to start students' familiarisation with the Latin language and its historical relevance. A lot of information which is unknown to many will be provided.
 
 The course was first designed by me, and I have steered two successful editions of the same already. Now, my colleague A. Tullia Scholastica will take over the helm for the third and hopefully all future editions. She is an excellent Latinist and teacher, as you know, and deservedly magistra of this sodalitas.
 
 The course will start on Monday the 14th of April 2008. Please hurry up and don't miss this wonderful oportunity to learn more about the whole and real history of the Latin language.
 
 Please check the relevant information perusing the Facultas Litterarum page:
 http://www.academia thules.org/studygui de/ facultaslitterarum/ <http://www.academia thules.org/ studyguide/ facultaslitterar um/>
 
 If you are not yet a student of the Academia Thules, please become one by following the explanations in its website:
 http://www.academia thules.org/ <http://www.academia thules.org/>
 
 If you are already registered at the Academia Thules, you just need to click on the relevant course title in the CMS to enrol for it.
 
 Curate ut valeatis omnes!

  

     
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56221 From: Adriano Rota Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: New free and online course about Latin at our university
C.Aquillius omnibus salutem plurimam dicit,
 
Yes what ben says i correct. I would have enlisted a few weeks ago but I have the impression you can't on the page.
 
I have to say again, the interface environment on NR pages is very, very bad and it does damage the whole idea of the community!!!
It is like one of these commercials which one can not stand after seeing it two times.
Want NR to grow?; than go for it professionally!!! 
 
Di vos incolumes custodiant
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message ----
From: benjamin bryon <benjamin.bryon@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 11:13:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] New free and online course about Latin at our university

I am enrolled in the university, but I cannot seem to enroll your basic latin course, nor can i find any information on how to enroll on the site. I am currently trying to take the course exam for ARC p1, Basic greek and Roman history, but as the exam date passed and I couldn't log on Now when I can log on I can't locate the exam! I navigating around the university website a prerquisite for entering the hallowed walls of higher learning? Please help me to try and enroll and finish a course as the instructions are not easy (at least for myself, and I consider myself to be fairly computer literate). Thanks in advance, Ben Bryon  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] New free and online course about Latin at our university

A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo collegae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    With Lentulus, I encourage our citizens and other interested parties to register for our various free online courses at the Academia Thules.  The Rudimenta Latina course is the only one open for registration at present, for the others are in session and cannot be entered.  This Rudimenta course is a nine week book course, that is, one must purchase and read the text, then take a final examination on the contents.  There are no lessons per se, though Avitus has provided some additional instructional material.  Other than reading the text and taking the examination, the only requirement is that one must post to the class forum thrice at defined intervals; the instructor will answer any questions via the same method.  

    I suspect that the link below was broken, for there was an extra space in the URL; I have corrected this, but it may be necessary to retype part of the link in order to access the information on the AT site.  

    In the northern hemisphere Fall/Autumn (September/October) , the language courses will resume; the instructional phase of the current editions of the Grammatica Latina courses should end in four to eight weeks, respectively, followed by some little tests.  Sermo Latinus II has concluded except for the final examination.  

Valete.   
 

Cn. Lentulus Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis omnibus sal.


I forward you A. Gratius Avitus' message. Please, all Nova Romans, consider this opportunity. This is a first step into the direction to start learning Latin.

Never forget: you cannot be a true Roman without knowing Latin (or at least trying to know) the eternal language of the Romans!


The message of A. Gratius Avitus:


Avitus Latinistis optimis suís S·P·D
 
 As the Dean of the Faculty of Letters of the Academia Thules, I am very proud to announce that the third edition of our course Rudimenta Latina (LL-P-1) is now open for enrolment.
 
 This is one of our Preliminary courses, and its objective is to start students' familiarisation with the Latin language and its historical relevance. A lot of information which is unknown to many will be provided.
 
 The course was first designed by me, and I have steered two successful editions of the same already. Now, my colleague A. Tullia Scholastica will take over the helm for the third and hopefully all future editions. She is an excellent Latinist and teacher, as you know, and deservedly magistra of this sodalitas.
 
 The course will start on Monday the 14th of April 2008. Please hurry up and don't miss this wonderful oportunity to learn more about the whole and real history of the Latin language.
 
 Please check the relevant information perusing the Facultas Litterarum page:
 http://www.academia thules.org/studygui de/ facultaslitterarum/ <http://www.academia thules.org/ studyguide/ facultaslitterar um/>
 
 If you are not yet a student of the Academia Thules, please become one by following the explanations in its website:
 http://www.academia thules.org/ <http://www.academia thules.org/>
 
 If you are already registered at the Academia Thules, you just need to click on the relevant course title in the CMS to enrol for it.
 
 Curate ut valeatis omnes!

  

     
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56222 From: bill segura Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: Taxpayers and the wiki
Well said. I have found it impossible to participate at the local level as a citizen who has no political ambition. It is hard to be a group of one. There are better Roman societies out on the web and in the real world. This one is not very good.
 
T A Germanicus

"L. Vitellius Triarius" <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:
Salvete omnes,

As I was scolded previously for editing some short biographies on the
Regional Prefects of our Provincia (who were red liners), I was told
we do not want the wiki to turn into a "MySpace" environment.

I personally find this absolutely absurd on one hand and absolutely
necessary on another. Both lines of thought have their merits and
faults.

If we would stop creating lists like this with links, and just make
them plain text, the problem would be solved. There are many good
and dedicated cives that are actively involved on the provincial,
regional and local levels, who have absolutely no desire to
participate in the top level electoral process. There is no point in
continually pointing out via blue/red lined text that these cives
have not "stepped up to the plate to bat" in the NR Political Ball
Game.

However, when a civis is appointed to a provincial, regional or local
position of responsibility in the Res Publica, they should be allowed
to post at least a short biography of themselves, so that current and
prospective cives could know at least something about their
leadership.

I personally think the biography restrictions have less to do with
wiki formating and website integrity and more to do with some deep-
rooted archaic ego-based thought patterns.

Maybe, we should post a disclaimer:

"Hey! Thanks for joining! But remember, we really don't want you to
tell us anything about yourself until you are elected to the Cursus
Honorum!"

I personally am quite puzzled at the lack of knowledge and
understanding by the leadership of two specific words in our English
business language: "DELETE" and "UNSUBSCRIBE".

Vale optime,
Triarius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "l.coruncanius_cato"
wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> For people used to wikis and their behaviour it means nothing, but
> many people are not used to work with wikis.
> It can be changed to black by changing one line at the css rules,
and
> this conversations would not be repeating every year.
>
> Easy :)
>
> --
> Di te incolumem custodiant
> Lucius Coruncanius Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Aemilius Crassus
> wrote:
> >
> > C. Aemilius Crassus C. Marcio Crispo omnibusque SPD,
> >
> > The red and blue in the names doesn¢t mean anything about the
> persons, since it is an automatic feature of the wiki. Red means a
> link to a non existing page in the Nova Roma Wiki and blue means a
> link to an existing page.
> >
> > Di te incolumem custodiant.
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
------------
> > C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
> > DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> >
> >
>
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______________
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56223 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Albucius aed. omnibus magistr. s.d.


Here you find below an edict on the creation of a videogames team
inside the aedilitas.

Now that this necessary preliminary frame is built, we will develop
this field with all the interested cives in order to provide a basic
service for the 2nd half of the year.

Valete omnes,


Albucius aed.


________________________________________

Aed. Cur. Memmius EDICT (n° 61-09) concerning the creation of an
internet videogames team (de creatione gregis de interretialibus
videoludis)


In view of the Constitution of Nova Roma and its paragraph IV.a.4.b
stating the competencies of the curule aediles, specially « to see
to the conduct of public games and other festivals and gatherings »;

In view of the aedilician edict 61-05 concerning the organization of
the aedilician team for 2761 a.u.c. ;

Considering that these games include not only the ones displayed by
the Republic in ancient times, and all the kind of contests that
ancient Rome would know, but also every kind of modern games which
may be focused on the ancient Rome, and, among them, videogaming ;

Considering the profit for Nova Roma to enter internet videogames
venues and networks, specially the ones relative to the ancient Rome,
and to organize if necessary such kind of venues ;

Considering that this way, Nova Roma will enter in contact with a
specific public whose knowledge of ancient Rome may be improved, and
which may be interested in a second time by Nova Roma itself, its
life and its general activities ;

Edicts :


Article 1 : Videogames team

A videogames team is created inside the curule aedilitas, and placed
under the responsibility of the aediles.
In view of its further development, a team leader may be appointed by
the aediles.

For 2761 a.u.c. (2008 c.c.), Aedile P. Memmius Albucius takes the
direct responsibility of this team.

The aedilician edict 61-05 must thus be read from now on in order to
include the present creation and responsibility.


Article 2 : Composition of the videogames team

The composition of the team will be specified by a further aedilician
edict or decision. Apart members of the aedilitas, may be member of
this team any Nova Roma citizen interested in videogames relative to
ancient Rome. Exceptionally, foreigners may be invited to bring their
knowledges and skills into this team.


Article 3 : Missions of the videogames team

In the wish to bring into Nova Roma new socii or citizens, the
videogames team aims to :

- create pages in Nova Roma web site devoted to the videogames
relative to ancient Rome, and specially to the most famous
currently, 'Rome Total War'. These pages will host either creation
texts or contents, or will propose links to specialized sites outside
Nova Roma ;
- create an online gaming team, called « clan » in the online gaming
vocabulary, which may represent Nova Roma in internet online gaming,
and make our republic better known ;
- create for this Nova Roma « clan », whose administration is managed
by the videogames team and under the control of the curule aediles,
dedicated web pages, with all the features generally offered by such
online gaming teams.
- organize online videogames gaming, and specially 'Rome Total War'
game tournaments.

The measures evoked in the present article may be specified by
further aedilician edicts or decisions.


Article 4 : Enforcement of the present edict

Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must, as far
as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be
published in the Tabularium Novae Romae at the following address,
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Tabularium_%28Nova_Roma%29, and
in Nova Roma Yahoo! relevant lists.

Issued in Cadomagus, Gallia, a.d. VIII Idus Apr. MMDCCLXI a.u.c. (6
April 2008 c.c.) during the consulate of M. Moravius Piscinus
Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56224 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Salve!
 
This is wonderful!! I would love to join this team! I'm a gamer, and my current games are WoW, DAoC, Civ IV, and Age of Myth.
 
Thank you for creating this!
 
Vale,
 
Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 5:04 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Videogames team created in the aedilitas

Albucius aed. omnibus magistr. s.d.

Here you find below an edict on the creation of a videogames team
inside the aedilitas.

Now that this necessary preliminary frame is built, we will develop
this field with all the interested cives in order to provide a basic
service for the 2nd half of the year.

Valete omnes,

Albucius aed.

____________ _________ _________ _________ _

Aed. Cur. Memmius EDICT (n° 61-09) concerning the creation of an
internet videogames team (de creatione gregis de interretialibus
videoludis)

In view of the Constitution of Nova Roma and its paragraph IV.a.4.b
stating the competencies of the curule aediles, specially « to see
to the conduct of public games and other festivals and gatherings »;

In view of the aedilician edict 61-05 concerning the organization of
the aedilician team for 2761 a.u.c. ;

Considering that these games include not only the ones displayed by
the Republic in ancient times, and all the kind of contests that
ancient Rome would know, but also every kind of modern games which
may be focused on the ancient Rome, and, among them, videogaming ;

Considering the profit for Nova Roma to enter internet videogames
venues and networks, specially the ones relative to the ancient Rome,
and to organize if necessary such kind of venues ;

Considering that this way, Nova Roma will enter in contact with a
specific public whose knowledge of ancient Rome may be improved, and
which may be interested in a second time by Nova Roma itself, its
life and its general activities ;

Edicts :

Article 1 : Videogames team

A videogames team is created inside the curule aedilitas, and placed
under the responsibility of the aediles.
In view of its further development, a team leader may be appointed by
the aediles.

For 2761 a.u.c. (2008 c.c.), Aedile P. Memmius Albucius takes the
direct responsibility of this team.

The aedilician edict 61-05 must thus be read from now on in order to
include the present creation and responsibility.

Article 2 : Composition of the videogames team

The composition of the team will be specified by a further aedilician
edict or decision. Apart members of the aedilitas, may be member of
this team any Nova Roma citizen interested in videogames relative to
ancient Rome. Exceptionally, foreigners may be invited to bring their
knowledges and skills into this team.

Article 3 : Missions of the videogames team

In the wish to bring into Nova Roma new socii or citizens, the
videogames team aims to :

- create pages in Nova Roma web site devoted to the videogames
relative to ancient Rome, and specially to the most famous
currently, 'Rome Total War'. These pages will host either creation
texts or contents, or will propose links to specialized sites outside
Nova Roma ;
- create an online gaming team, called « clan » in the online gaming
vocabulary, which may represent Nova Roma in internet online gaming,
and make our republic better known ;
- create for this Nova Roma « clan », whose administration is managed
by the videogames team and under the control of the curule aediles,
dedicated web pages, with all the features generally offered by such
online gaming teams.
- organize online videogames gaming, and specially 'Rome Total War'
game tournaments.

The measures evoked in the present article may be specified by
further aedilician edicts or decisions.

Article 4 : Enforcement of the present edict

Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must, as far
as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be
published in the Tabularium Novae Romae at the following address,
http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Category :Tabularium_ %28Nova_Roma% 29, and
in Nova Roma Yahoo! relevant lists.

Issued in Cadomagus, Gallia, a.d. VIII Idus Apr. MMDCCLXI a.u.c. (6
April 2008 c.c.) during the consulate of M. Moravius Piscinus
Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56225 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671: CHARIOT RACE

ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC

Salvete omnes.

As part of this year's Ludi Ceriales (April 21th to 28th) a literary contest, a chariot race and an historical quiz shall take place.


CHARIOT RACE

Subscribe your chariot into Ludi Ceriales! Deadline for subscription is at 20th of April.

In order to subscribe send following information by email to: ugo.coppola@... (Publius Constantinus Placidus)


A. His/her name in Nova Roma;

B. The name of his/her driver;

C. The name of his/her chariot;

D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;

E. His/her tactics for the Finals;

F. The name of his/her "factio" or team.


More information about each tactic at Circenses rules.


Announcements of literary contest and historical quiz will follow soon.  Keep watching the Ludi Ceriales page for more information!


OPTIME VALETE OMNES
Publius Constantinus Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56226 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Salvete:

I play City of Heroes (for four years now), and with issue 12 (free expansion) they are adding a "Roman" zone:

http://www.cityofheroes.com/game_update12.html

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve!
 
This is wonderful!! I would love to join this team! I'm a gamer, and my current games are WoW, DAoC, Civ IV, and Age of Myth.
 
Thank you for creating this!
 
Vale,
 
Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56227 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: New free and online course about Latin at our university
Re: [Nova-Roma] New free and online course about Latin at our university
A. Tullia Scholastica Benjamin quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

I am enrolled in the university, but I cannot seem to enroll your basic latin course, nor can i find any information on how to enroll on the site.

    ATS:  The Rudimenta course is set to be enrollable, and other students have enrolled.  However, it is not a Latin course per se; all Latin courses cannot be entered now as they are in session (GL I, GL II, SL I, SL II, SL I & II).  The Rudimenta course number is LL-P-1 (LL stands for lingua Latina, P for Preliminary).  My Latin courses are LL-P-2 and LL-B-2 (B stands for Basic).  Avitus’ Latin classes are LL-B-1A, LL-B-1B, and LL-B1AB.  I do not deal with the technical details of the website, or of registration, etc.; that is the domain of Saturninus and the other administrators.  I merely teach the courses.  


I am currently trying to take the course exam for ARC p1, Basic greek and Roman history, but as the exam date passed and I couldn't log on

    ATS:  Lovely!  For what it is worth, one of my introductory students was unable to log in for about three weeks, but I do not post exams to the class site, and duplicate all homework assignments; they are in the lessons and in a submission gadget, and must be submitted by the latter AND e-mail.  


Now when I can log on I can't locate the exam!

    ATS:  The instructor may have made it invisible to students.  Avitus allows only a limited time for exam inspection, and others may have similar policies.  For this run of Rudimenta, I am obliged to follow his rules exactly.  

I navigating around the university website a prerquisite for entering the hallowed walls of higher learning?

    ATS:  I have heard other complaints about the difficulty of navigating the AT site.  I had no trouble registering for a course, and am largely lacking in computer skills, however.  


 Please help me to try and enroll and finish a course as the instructions are not easy (at least for myself, and I consider myself to be fairly computer literate).

    ATS:  I will forward this to the relevant faculty list and the main AT one.  Beyond that, I am afraid that I cannot help.  One must have a password, and Saturninus must provide this and general registration; once that is in hand, you should be able to register by going to the website and locating the information for the relevant course.  These are technical details beyond my expertise to remedy.  I am no cybernaut. Saturninus handles these issues.  

Thanks in advance, Ben Bryon  

    ATS:  Hope this helps a bit.  This, however, is an administrative function; the praeceptores and praeceptrix (I am the only praeceptrix), or even the decani, have no control over this.  

Vale, et valete.   

----- Original Message -----
 
From:  A. Tullia  Scholastica <mailto:fororom@...>  
 
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
 
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:11  AM
 
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] New free and  online course about Latin at our university
 

 
 

 
A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo collegae  quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis  S.P.D.

    With Lentulus, I encourage our  citizens and other interested parties to register for our various free  online courses at the Academia Thules.  The Rudimenta Latina course is  the only one open for registration at present, for the others are in session  and cannot be entered.  This Rudimenta course is a nine week book  course, that is, one must purchase and read the text, then take a final  examination on the contents.  There are no lessons per se, though  Avitus has provided some additional instructional material.  Other than  reading the text and taking the examination, the only requirement is that  one must post to the class forum thrice at defined intervals; the instructor  will answer any questions via the same method.   

    I suspect that the link below was  broken, for there was an extra space in the URL; I have corrected this, but  it may be necessary to retype part of the link in order to access the  information on the AT site.  

    In the  northern hemisphere Fall/Autumn (September/October), the language  courses will resume; the instructional phase of the current editions of the  Grammatica Latina courses should end in four to eight weeks, respectively,  followed by some little tests.  Sermo Latinus II has concluded except  for the final examination.  

Valete.    
 

Cn. Lentulus Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis  omnibus sal.


I forward you A. Gratius Avitus' message. Please,  all Nova Romans, consider this opportunity. This is a first step into the  direction to start learning Latin.

Never forget: you cannot be a  true Roman without knowing Latin (or at least trying to know) the eternal  language of the Romans!


The message of A. Gratius  Avitus:


Avitus Latinistis optimis suís  S·P·D
 
 As the Dean of the Faculty of Letters of the  Academia Thules, I am very proud to announce that the third edition of our  course Rudimenta Latina (LL-P-1) is now open for  enrolment.
 
 This is one of our Preliminary courses, and  its objective is to start students' familiarisation with the Latin language  and its historical relevance. A lot of information which is unknown to many  will be provided.
 
 The course was first designed by me,  and I have steered two successful editions of the same already. Now, my  colleague A. Tullia Scholastica will take over the helm for the third and  hopefully all future editions. She is an excellent Latinist and teacher, as  you know, and deservedly magistra of this sodalitas.
 
 The  course will start on Monday the 14th of April 2008. Please hurry up and  don't miss this wonderful oportunity to learn more about the whole and real  history of the Latin language.
 
 Please check the relevant  information perusing the Facultas Litterarum page:
 http://www.academia  thules.org/studyguide/ facultaslitterarum/ <http://www.academiathules.org/studyguide/facultaslitterarum/>  
 
 If you are not yet a student of the Academia Thules,  please become one by following the explanations in its website:
 http://www.academia thules.org/ <http://www.academiathules.org/>  
 
 If you are already registered at the Academia Thules,  you just need to click on the relevant course title in the CMS to enrol for  it.
 
 Curate ut valeatis omnes!

  
 

      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56228 From: Colin Cunningham Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Salvete!

I would love to join the video game team. I am an avid gamer and my goal is to be a professional game designer.   I am currently still learning though. Thank you for doing this!

Valete,

Gaeus Fulvius Severus

On 4/6/08, David Kling (Modianus) <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:

Salvete:

I play City of Heroes (for four years now), and with issue 12 (free expansion) they are adding a "Roman" zone:

http://www.cityofheroes.com/game_update12.html

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve!
 
This is wonderful!! I would love to join this team! I'm a gamer, and my current games are WoW, DAoC, Civ IV, and Age of Myth.
 
Thank you for creating this!
 
Vale,
 
Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56229 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-06
Subject: File - EDICTUM DE SERMONE
Ex officio praetorum:

The Nova-Roma mailing list is the principal forum for Nova Roma.
Citizens of Nova Roma and interested non-citizens alike are welcome. All users, citizen and non-citizen alike, shall abide by these rules when posting to the Nova Roma mailing list. Violations of these rules will result in corrective action, which may include banning from the list for non-citizens and restriction of posting privileges for citizens.


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I. Language

Nova Roma's official business language is English, and its official ceremonial language is Latin. There are other non-official languages that must be considered as common use languages, due to the international nature of the Nova Roman community. To insure timely posting, write your posts in English, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Latin, Portuguese or Spanish. If you write your posts in languages other than the above mentioned, they may be delayed for some time until the moderators can obtain a translation.



All official government documents must appear in English/Latin as well as whatever vernacular languages are relevant.



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II. Topics of discussion

Nova Roman business, community, governmental, religious, and other state activities

The culture, religion, sociology, politics, history, archaeology, and philosophy of Roma Antiqua, ancient Greece, the ancient Near East, and other cultures with which the ancient Romans interacted.

Discussions may sometimes go into subjects beyond these topics, but such digressions should be brief and related to the listed topics. Messages of this kind must be clearly marked as �off topic�.



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III. Civil Discourse

All on-list exchanges between users of the Nova-Roma mailing list will follow these rules of civil discourse:

Show respect for others.

Recognize a person�s right to advocate ideas that are different from your own.

Discuss policies and ideas without attacking people.

Use helpful, not hurtful language.

Write as you would like to be written to.

Restate ideas when asked.

Write in good faith.

Treat what others have to say as written in good faith.

Respectfully read and consider differing points of view.

When unsure, clarify what you think you have read.

Realize that what you wrote and what people understand you to have written may be different.

Recognize that people can agree to disagree.

Speak and write for yourself, not others.



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IV. Forbidden

The following are forbidden:

Unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE or spam)

References or discussions to material of a sexual nature that are not strictly within the context of a historical discussion, with citations given, unless the material is a matter of common knowledge

Links to external websites or files which contain material that might reasonably be deemed obscene or pornographic.



Insulting the religious beliefs of others, and the historical basis for those beliefs, is off limits.



This edict takes effect immediately.



Given under our hands this 20th day of January 2761 from the founding of Roma



M. Curiatius Complutensis

M.Iulius Severus



Praetores Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56230 From: David .C Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Salve
I have played several games based on ancient rome. Civilization Rome, Many of the Caesar game series, and one of the best for roman military nuts Legion Arena. Empire Earth 2 is a great game as well, but its all civilizations in the world, and has a roman one. Very good game. My personal fav game though is World of Warcraft lol. may not be roman but I play it everyday several hours a day lol.
Lucius Julius Julianus



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: albucius_aoe@...
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:04:59 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Videogames team created in the aedilitas

Albucius aed. omnibus magistr. s.d.

Here you find below an edict on the creation of a videogames team
inside the aedilitas.

Now that this necessary preliminary frame is built, we will develop
this field with all the interested cives in order to provide a basic
service for the 2nd half of the year.

Valete omnes,

Albucius aed.

____________ _________ _________ _________ _

Aed. Cur. Memmius EDICT (n° 61-09) concerning the creation of an
internet videogames team (de creatione gregis de interretialibus
videoludis)

In view of the Constitution of Nova Roma and its paragraph IV.a.4.b
stating the competencies of the curule aediles, specially « to see
to the conduct of public games and other festivals and gatherings »;

In view of the aedilician edict 61-05 concerning the organization of
the aedilician team for 2761 a.u.c. ;

Considering that these games include not only the ones displayed by
the Republic in ancient times, and all the kind of contests that
ancient Rome would know, but also every kind of modern games which
may be focused on the ancient Rome, and, among them, videogaming ;

Considering the profit for Nova Roma to enter internet videogames
venues and networks, specially the ones relative to the ancient Rome,
and to organize if necessary such kind of venues ;

Considering that this way, Nova Roma will enter in contact with a
specific public whose knowledge of ancient Rome may be improved, and
which may be interested in a second time by Nova Roma itself, its
life and its general activities ;

Edicts :

Article 1 : Videogames team

A videogames team is created inside the curule aedilitas, and placed
under the responsibility of the aediles.
In view of its further development, a team leader may be appointed by
the aediles.

For 2761 a.u.c. (2008 c.c.), Aedile P. Memmius Albucius takes the
direct responsibility of this team.

The aedilician edict 61-05 must thus be read from now on in order to
include the present creation and responsibility.

Article 2 : Composition of the videogames team

The composition of the team will be specified by a further aedilician
edict or decision. Apart members of the aedilitas, may be member of
this team any Nova Roma citizen interested in videogames relative to
ancient Rome. Exceptionally, foreigners may be invited to bring their
knowledges and skills into this team.

Article 3 : Missions of the videogames team

In the wish to bring into Nova Roma new socii or citizens, the
videogames team aims to :

- create pages in Nova Roma web site devoted to the videogames
relative to ancient Rome, and specially to the most famous
currently, 'Rome Total War'. These pages will host either creation
texts or contents, or will propose links to specialized sites outside
Nova Roma ;
- create an online gaming team, called « clan » in the online gaming
vocabulary, which may represent Nova Roma in internet online gaming,
and make our republic better known ;
- create for this Nova Roma « clan », whose administration is managed
by the videogames team and under the control of the curule aediles,
dedicated web pages, with all the features generally offered by such
online gaming teams.
- organize online videogames gaming, and specially 'Rome Total War'
game tournaments.

The measures evoked in the present article may be specified by
further aedilician edicts or decisions.

Article 4 : Enforcement of the present edict

Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must, as far
as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be
published in the Tabularium Novae Romae at the following address,
http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Category :Tabularium_ %28Nova_Roma% 29, and
in Nova Roma Yahoo! relevant lists.

Issued in Cadomagus, Gallia, a.d. VIII Idus Apr. MMDCCLXI a.u.c. (6
April 2008 c.c.) during the consulate of M. Moravius Piscinus
Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56231 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Recent Video Gaming release: Europa Universalis
C. Aurelia Falco Silvana omnibus civibus Novae Romae SPD.

Here is a link to a video gaming release notice dated 4 April,
for a product called Europa Univesalis: Rome.

I'm not a gamer. so can't evaluate it. This page contains a link to a
demo.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/europa-universalis--rome-demo-available

Valete bene in pace Deorum
Silvana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56232 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: MEGALESIA: Miles Gloriosus, a Play by Plautus
Salvete omnes

Today we present you a play by Plautus in celebration of the
Megalesia:



==Miles Gloriosus==

The play Miles Gloriosus was written by Titus Maccius Plautus (c. 254–
184 B.C.), who composed over 100 comedies in Latin, adapting them
from Greek originals. His source for Miles Gloriosus was a Greek
play, now lost, called Alazon or The Braggart. Although the
characters in Miles Gloriosus speak Latin, they are meant to be
Greeks, with Greek names, clothing, and customs. The action takes
place in Ephesus, a Greek city on the coast of Asia Minor, famous for
its Temple of Artemis, one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World.
Plautus wrote his plays entirely in verse with certain sections
designed to be sung. Accompaniment was provided by an instrument
similar to an oboe. Only male actors were used, and all of them wore
masks.



==Plot Summary==

The play begins with Pyrgopolynices (Fighter of Many Fortresses), a
braggart soldier, entering, escorted by three dependents and a
parasite, Artotrogus (Bread Gobbler), who earns his meals by
flattering the soldier excessively. Then we meet a crafty slave named
Palaestrio (Wrestler), who explains, in a delayed prologue, how he
has come to be the soldier's slave. Formerly he served a young
Athenian, Pleusicles (Sailor), whose girlfriend, Philocomasium, was
kidnapped from Athens and taken by our braggart soldier. When
Palaestrio tried to reach his master with this bad news, the slave
was seized by pirates and sold, by chance, to the same soldier, so
both he and the girl have been living in the soldier's house in
Ephesus. But Palaestrio has sent a letter secretly to his former
master, telling him where they are. Now Pleusicles has come to
Ephesus and is staying with a helpful old man who lives right next
door to the soldier. The crafty slave has cut a hole in the wall
between the two houses, enabling Philocomasium to visit her boyfriend
without the soldier's knowledge.

Unfortunately, the next-door neighbor, Periplectomenus (Entangler),
is frantic because some unknown slave from the soldier's house, while
chasing a monkey on the roof, has observed Philocomasium and her
lover kissing in Periplectomenus' house. With Palaestrio's help he
chastises his slaves for not having caught the man. Then he and
Palaestrio dream up a plan to fool the soldier's slave into believing
that the girl he saw kissing was actually Philocomasium's twin
sister, recently arrived from Athens with her boyfriend. At that
moment the slave himself, Sceledrus (Criminal), conveniently turns
up. Palaestrio, Philocomasium, and Periplectomenus succeed in
confusing him so much that he despairs and runs away.

Palaestrio enlists the aid of the next-door neighbor and Pleusicles
to pull off another scheme that he has cooked up: Periplectomenus
will ask a lady friend of his to pretend to be his wife. Palaestrio
will convince the soldier that this woman hates her elderly husband
and is madly in love with the soldier, hoping this will prompt him to
lose interest in Philocomasium and seduce another man's wife.
Palaestrio will tell the soldier that Philocomasium's mother and
sister from Athens happen to be visiting Ephesus that very day and
could take her home with them. Pleusicles will dress up like a ship
captain and bring some sailors with him to escort her to the harbor.
While Periplectomenus goes off to find his lady friend and Pleusicles
goes off to find a disguise, Palaestrio has a brief encounter with
Artotrogus, who has been enjoying himself in the soldier's kitchen.

The old man returns with his lady friend, Acroteleutium (Highest
Point), and her maid Milphidippa; they go inside his house to prepare
to fool the soldier. Pyrgopolynices comes back home and runs into
Palaestrio, who gives him a ring, supposedly from Acroteleutium, and
tells him how much the woman loves him. Milphidippa emerges from the
neighbor's house and confirms Palaestrio's story. The soldier rushes
into his own house to tell Philocomasium that he is sending her home.
As soon as he reappears, Acroteleutium and Milphidippa complete their
trickery.

Pleusicles, wearing his disguise, arrives to escort Philocomasium to
the ship where she pretends to be reluctant to leave the soldier, but
the sailors' music hastens her departure. The soldier agrees to let
her take Palaestrio with her as a consolation present. Two slave-boys
invite the soldier to come into the neighbor's house and meet
Acroteleutium. He enters, only to find the old man and the cook
waiting to give him the punishment he deserves. In consequence,
Pyrgopolynices learns more about himself and the world around him—a
happy ending for all, with a moral to go with it.



==View the Play Online!==

Miles Gloriosus, as produced the Italian theater company,
called "Compagnia Teatrale della Luna Nuova", at:
http://www.lunanuov ateatro.it/


PART I: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kak1hAZDbcs
PART II: http://youtube.com/watch?v=8_9Lyf2BZY8
PART III: http://youtube.com/watch?v=EMnpCFo48cY
PART IV: http://youtube.com/watch?v=dCNC7naSj1M
PART V: http://youtube.com/watch?v=rwvH3Bw_fwg
PART VI: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wLp2Sg9d7vg
PART VII: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YBQ1TjUc-z0
PART VIII: http://youtube.com/watch?v=z54b3jq3YAI
PART IX: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VuKj9sQulIE
PART X: http://youtube.com/watch?v=X-2aOCxYgu0
PART XI: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4QinuFu3YZE



==About Plautus==

Titus Maccius Plautus (c. 254–184 BCE), commonly known as Plautus,
was a Roman playwright. His comedies are among the earliest surviving
intact works in Latin literature. He is also one of the earliest
pioneers of musical theater. The word Plautine is used to refer to
Plautus's works or works similar to or influenced by his.

Little is known about Titus Maccius Plautus' early life. It is
believed that he was born in Sarsina (a city in Umbria) around 254
BCE. According to Morris Marples, Plautus worked as a stage-carpenter
or scene-shifter in his early years.[1] It is from this work,
perhaps, that his love of the theater originated. His acting talent
was eventually discovered; and he adopted the names "Maccius" (a
clownish stock-character in popular farces) and "Plautus" (a term
meaning either "flat-footed" or "flat-eared," as the ears of a hound
[2]). Tradition holds that he made enough money to go into the
nautical business, but that the venture collapsed. He is then said to
have worked as a manual laborer and to have studied Greek drama—
particularly the New Comedy of Menander—in his leisure. His studies
allowed him to produce his plays, which were released between c. 205
and 184 BCE. Plautus attained such a popularity that his name alone
became a hallmark of theatrical success.

Plautus' comedies are mostly adapted from Greek models for a Roman
audience, and are often based directly on the works of the Greek
playwrights. He reworked the Greek texts to give them a flavour that
would appeal to the local Roman audiences. They are among the
earliest surving intact works in Latin literature. (Some might more
properly be called "adaptations"). His works include Amphitruo,
Asinaria, Aulularia, Bacchides, Captivi, Casina, Cistellaria,
Curculio, Epidicus, Menaechmi, Mercator, Miles Gloriosus,
Mostellaria, Persa, Poenulus, Pseudolus, Rudens, Stichus, Trinummus,
Truculentus and Vidularia.

Ref:
[1] M. Marples. "Plautus," Greece & Rome 8.22(1938), p. 1.
[2] S. O'Bryhim. Greek and Roman Comedy (University of Texas Press,
2001), p. 149.



Valete optime,
Triarius

For:
Quaestor M. Hortensia Maior
Aed. Cur. Sex. Lucilius Tutor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56233 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: MEGALESIA Certamen Historicum Questions - Day 3
Salvete omnes!

Here is the third set of questions for the Magna Mater Certamen
Historicum. If you did not get a chance to answer the Day 1 and 2
Questions, you may still enter the contest.

There are 3 sets of 10 questions each. All answers must be recieved
no later than Midnight Rome time on April the 7th. First, Second and
Third place will be presented with a Ludi Cultural Award Medal with
neck ribbon.

All answers to the Certamen will be announced on April 10th with the
Final Results, so send in your answers today!

Send your answers to:

lucius_vitellius_triarius@...

********************************************************

DAY 3 QUESTIONS

21. Who headed the delegation sent to negotiate the transport of the
Goddess to Rome, where did they go, who did they see, and why did
they go?

22. Besides Rome, what countries were the MM temples primarily
located in?

23. What was the name used by the Egyptians to represent the Magna
Mater?

24. What was the name used by the Latins to represent the Magna Mater?

25. What was the name used by the Akkadians to represent the Magna
Mater?

26. When was the Magna Mater born?

27. Who dedicated the first temple to the Magna Mater in Rome, and
where was it dedicated?

28. When was the first temple to the Magna Mater in Rome dedicated?

29. Who started the construction on the first temple to house the
black stone of the Magna Mater on the Palatine Hill?

30. How long did the construction on the temple take?

********************************************************

Valete optime,

L. Vitellius Triarius
Quaestor
Aedilitas Curulis

For:

Quaestor M. Hortensia Maior
Aed. Cur. Sex. Lucilius Tutor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56234 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Visit the MEGALESIA Wiki Page Today!
Salvete,

To view the current celebrations for the Megalesia/Ludi Megalenses,
please visit the following page:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_2761_AUC_%28Nova_Roma%29

We hope you enjoy the festivities!

Valete optime,

L. Vitellius Triarius
Quaestor
Aedilitas Curulis

For:

Editor et Quaestor M. Hortensia Maior
Aed. Cur. Sex. Lucilius Tutor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56235 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: New free and online course about Latin at our university
Re: [Nova-Roma] New free and online course about Latin at our university

 A. Tullia Scholastica C. Aquillio quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

C.Aquillius omnibus salutem plurimam dicit,
 
Yes what ben says i correct. I would have enlisted a few weeks ago but I have the impression you can't on the page.

    ATS:  Of course you could not register; all of the courses were in session.  Rudimenta finished only a couple of weeks ago, and all other Latin-related courses are in session.  Registration is blocked while courses are in session, including while the exams are being graded.  Otherwise one should be able to register.  For example, despite the complaint copied below, five people have managed to register for Rudimenta by the time of my last check.  
 
I have to say again, the interface environment on NR pages is very, very bad and it does damage the whole idea of the community!!!

    ATS:  FYI:  the Academia Thules is not part of Nova Roma.  It is affiliated, but independent, and has its own setup on the server in Sweden.  Instruction is carried out via CMS moodle software.  The NR server is in Octavius’ basement/bedroom/lararium/wherever in Chicago.  Some of the faculty at least wish that the non-instructional components of the AT system were less complex, and I for one find the NR wiki more difficult to navigate than the original webpages.  I gather that I am not alone.  I simply bookmark whatever pages I need, and access them via that means rather than by trolling through the lot of them, a much more efficient way of doing things.  However, I have no difficulty accessing the pages for seven AT classes which I either assist or teach as primary instructor or in which I am a student, or the main AT CMS page, or one where I am a guest of the instructor.  It can’t be THAT difficult.  

It is like one of these commercials which one can not stand after seeing it two times.
Want NR to grow?; than go for it professionally!!!

    ATS:  We have professional webmasters...or so we are told.  
 
Di vos incolumes custodiant
 
 Vale, et valete.  
 
 

----- Original Message ----
From: benjamin bryon <benjamin.bryon@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 11:13:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] New free and online course about Latin at our university

I am enrolled in the university, but I cannot seem to enroll your basic latin course, nor can i find any information on how to enroll on the site. I am currently trying to take the course exam for ARC p1, Basic greek and Roman history, but as the exam date passed and I couldn't log on Now when I can log on I can't locate the exam! I navigating around the university website a prerquisite for entering the hallowed walls of higher learning? Please help me to try and enroll and finish a course as the instructions are not easy (at least for myself, and I consider myself to be fairly computer literate). Thanks in advance, Ben Bryon   
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Tullia Scholastica <mailto:fororom@...>  
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] New free and online course about Latin at our university

A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo collegae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    With Lentulus, I encourage our citizens and other interested parties to register for our various free online courses at the Academia Thules.  The Rudimenta Latina course is the only one open for registration at present, for the others are in session and cannot be entered.  This Rudimenta course is a nine week book course, that is, one must purchase and read the text, then take a final examination on the contents.  There are no lessons per se, though Avitus has provided some additional instructional material.  Other than reading the text and taking the examination, the only requirement is that one must post to the class forum thrice at defined intervals; the instructor will answer any questions via the same method.  

    I suspect that the link below was broken, for there was an extra space in the URL; I have corrected this, but it may be necessary to retype part of the link in order to access the information on the AT site.  

    In the northern hemisphere Fall/Autumn (September/October) , the language courses will resume; the instructional phase of the current editions of the Grammatica Latina courses should end in four to eight weeks, respectively, followed by some little tests.  Sermo Latinus II has concluded except for the final examination.  

Valete.   
 

Cn. Lentulus Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis omnibus sal.


I forward you A. Gratius Avitus' message. Please, all Nova Romans, consider this opportunity. This is a first step into the direction to start learning Latin.

Never forget: you cannot be a true Roman without knowing Latin (or at least trying to know) the eternal language of the Romans!


The message of A. Gratius Avitus:


Avitus Latinistis optimis suís S·P·D
 
 As the Dean of the Faculty of Letters of the Academia Thules, I am very proud to announce that the third edition of our course Rudimenta Latina (LL-P-1) is now open for enrolment.
 
 This is one of our Preliminary courses, and its objective is to start students' familiarisation with the Latin language and its historical relevance. A lot of information which is unknown to many will be provided.
 
 The course was first designed by me, and I have steered two successful editions of the same already. Now, my colleague A. Tullia Scholastica will take over the helm for the third and hopefully all future editions. She is an excellent Latinist and teacher, as you know, and deservedly magistra of this sodalitas.
 
 The course will start on Monday the 14th of April 2008. Please hurry up and don't miss this wonderful oportunity to learn more about the whole and real history of the Latin language.
 
 Please check the relevant information perusing the Facultas Litterarum page:
 http://www.academia <http://www.academia/>  thules.org/studygui <http://thules.org/studygui>  de/ facultaslitterarum/ <http://www.academia thules.org/ studyguide/ facultaslitterar um/> <http://www.academiathules.org/studyguide/facultaslitterarum/>  
 
 If you are not yet a student of the Academia Thules, please become one by following the explanations in its website:
 http://www.academia <http://www.academia/>  thules.org/ <http://thules.org/>  <http://www.academia thules.org/> <http://www.academiathules.org/>  
 
 If you are already registered at the Academia Thules, you just need to click on the relevant course title in the CMS to enrol for it.
 
 Curate ut valeatis omnes!

  

    
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56236 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Chariot Race subscriptions: Many Reds!
Salvete omnes.
Concerning the subscriptions to the Chariot Race, whose semifinal shall
be held on next April 21,
I've received three entries from the Russata factio, two from Albata and
none from Praesina or Veneta. According to the rules, to start the race
I need at least an entrant from each factio. So come on, Praesina and
Veneta racers... join in!

Bene valete,
P. Con. Placidus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56237 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: LITERARY CONTEST

ANNOUNCEMENT OF LUDI CERIALES LITERARY CONTEST

Salvete omnes.

As a part of Ludi Ceriales 2671 AUC (20th-28h April), a literary contest shall be held.

To enter, write a text (1-2 pages long) on the subject of Roman military life.

All genres and styles are permitted and encouraged. Submit your work to me privately by email (ugo.coppola@...). The deadline is at 21th of April.

The winner shall be awarded with a new NR coin as well as a place of honour on the Ceriales page on the NR website. Best runner-ups shall also be rewarded with a place at the NR website.

Should you want to keep your work anonymous from the public or choose not to accept the publication of your work at the NR website, please mention when submitting your work to me.

As an Aedilis I shall be the judge of the competition.

Bene valete,
Publius Constantinus Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56238 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671: CHARIOT RACE
Salve,

Whoops! Sent this to the wrong address.

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

On 4/7/08, Charlie Collins <curator.svr@...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
>
> Here are my entries for the races.
>
> Chariot #1
>
> Driver: Ambicatos, a Celt
> Chariot Name: The Sunburst
> Tactic's for the Semi's, Quarters and Finals: 3, 6, 1
> Factio Praesina
>
> Chariot #2
>
> Driver: Merddyn, a Celt
> Chariot Name: Volcanus
> Tactic's for the Semi's, Quarters and Finals: 3, 6, 1
> Factio Praesina
>
> Owner: Quintus Servilius Priscus
>
>
>
>
> Quintus Servilius Priscus
> X Via Appia, Caelian Hill
>
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56239 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671: CHARIOT RACE
Salve,

 
Here are my entries for the races.

Chariot #1

Driver: Ambicatos, a Celt
Chariot Name: The Sunburst
Tactic's for the Semi's, Quarters and Finals: 3, 6, 1
Factio Praesina

Chariot #2

Driver: Merddyn, a Celt
Chariot Name: Volcanus
Tactic's for the Semi's, Quarters and Finals: 3, 6, 1
Factio Praesina

Owner: Quintus Servilius Priscus

 

 
Quintus Servilius Priscus
X Via Appia, Caelian Hill

 


 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56240 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Salve!
 
What server?
 
I play everyday. I even bought a laptop so I could play at work(it's great having a supervisor who is also your guild master). I'm on Darkspear, Horde. My main is a lvl 67 troll warrior, but I'm currently focusing on my lvl 40 undead warlock(I'm loving the felsteed hehe). My guild is the infamous Tarren Mill Deathguard(http://tmdgguild.org).
 
I'm probably going to cut back on my WoWing so I can practice RTW. I got the Barbarian expansion, but not Alexander.
 
Vale,
 
Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: David .C
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:59 AM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Videogames team created in the aedilitas

Salve
I have played several games based on ancient rome. Civilization Rome, Many of the Caesar game series, and one of the best for roman military nuts Legion Arena. Empire Earth 2 is a great game as well, but its all civilizations in the world, and has a roman one. Very good game. My personal fav game though is World of Warcraft lol. may not be roman but I play it everyday several hours a day lol.
Lucius Julius Julianus



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
From: albucius_aoe@ hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:04:59 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Videogames team created in the aedilitas

Albucius aed. omnibus magistr. s.d.

Here you find below an edict on the creation of a videogames team
inside the aedilitas.

Now that this necessary preliminary frame is built, we will develop
this field with all the interested cives in order to provide a basic
service for the 2nd half of the year.

Valete omnes,

Albucius aed.

____________ _________ _________ _________ _

Aed. Cur. Memmius EDICT (n° 61-09) concerning the creation of an
internet videogames team (de creatione gregis de interretialibus
videoludis)

In view of the Constitution of Nova Roma and its paragraph IV.a.4.b
stating the competencies of the curule aediles, specially « to see
to the conduct of public games and other festivals and gatherings »;

In view of the aedilician edict 61-05 concerning the organization of
the aedilician team for 2761 a.u.c. ;

Considering that these games include not only the ones displayed by
the Republic in ancient times, and all the kind of contests that
ancient Rome would know, but also every kind of modern games which
may be focused on the ancient Rome, and, among them, videogaming ;

Considering the profit for Nova Roma to enter internet videogames
venues and networks, specially the ones relative to the ancient Rome,
and to organize if necessary such kind of venues ;

Considering that this way, Nova Roma will enter in contact with a
specific public whose knowledge of ancient Rome may be improved, and
which may be interested in a second time by Nova Roma itself, its
life and its general activities ;

Edicts :

Article 1 : Videogames team

A videogames team is created inside the curule aedilitas, and placed
under the responsibility of the aediles.
In view of its further development, a team leader may be appointed by
the aediles.

For 2761 a.u.c. (2008 c.c.), Aedile P. Memmius Albucius takes the
direct responsibility of this team.

The aedilician edict 61-05 must thus be read from now on in order to
include the present creation and responsibility.

Article 2 : Composition of the videogames team

The composition of the team will be specified by a further aedilician
edict or decision. Apart members of the aedilitas, may be member of
this team any Nova Roma citizen interested in videogames relative to
ancient Rome. Exceptionally, foreigners may be invited to bring their
knowledges and skills into this team.

Article 3 : Missions of the videogames team

In the wish to bring into Nova Roma new socii or citizens, the
videogames team aims to :

- create pages in Nova Roma web site devoted to the videogames
relative to ancient Rome, and specially to the most famous
currently, 'Rome Total War'. These pages will host either creation
texts or contents, or will propose links to specialized sites outside
Nova Roma ;
- create an online gaming team, called « clan » in the online gaming
vocabulary, which may represent Nova Roma in internet online gaming,
and make our republic better known ;
- create for this Nova Roma « clan », whose administration is managed
by the videogames team and under the control of the curule aediles,
dedicated web pages, with all the features generally offered by such
online gaming teams.
- organize online videogames gaming, and specially 'Rome Total War'
game tournaments.

The measures evoked in the present article may be specified by
further aedilician edicts or decisions.

Article 4 : Enforcement of the present edict

Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must, as far
as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be
published in the Tabularium Novae Romae at the following address,
http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Category :Tabularium_ %28Nova_Roma% 29, and
in Nova Roma Yahoo! relevant lists.

Issued in Cadomagus, Gallia, a.d. VIII Idus Apr. MMDCCLXI a.u.c. (6
April 2008 c.c.) during the consulate of M. Moravius Piscinus
Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56241 From: Q. Ovidius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-07
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Salve --

I, too, am a WoW account holder, though it's in stasis for now. I've
just started campaigning within RTW with the Julii family. We should
trade notes!

Vale,
Q. Ovidius Sabinus

Annia Minucia Marcella wrote:
>
> Salve!
>
> What server?
>
> I play everyday. I even bought a laptop so I could play at work(it's
> great having a supervisor who is also your guild master). I'm on
> Darkspear, Horde. My main is a lvl 67 troll warrior, but I'm currently
> focusing on my lvl 40 undead warlock(I'm loving the felsteed hehe). My
> guild is the infamous Tarren Mill Deathguard(http://tmdgguild.org
> <http://tmdgguild.org>).
>
> I'm probably going to cut back on my WoWing so I can practice RTW. I
> got the Barbarian expansion, but not Alexander.
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
> http://www.myspace.com/novabritannia
> <http://www.myspace.com/novabritannia>
> http://novabritannia.org/ <http://novabritannia.org/>
> http://ciarin.com/governor <http://ciarin.com/governor>
>
> Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David .C <mailto:vegeto1988@...>
> *To:* nova-roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2008 12:59 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [Nova-Roma] Videogames team created in the aedilitas
>
> Salve
> I have played several games based on ancient rome. Civilization
> Rome, Many of the Caesar game series, and one of the best for
> roman military nuts Legion Arena. Empire Earth 2 is a great game
> as well, but its all civilizations in the world, and has a roman
> one. Very good game. My personal fav game though is World of
> Warcraft lol. may not be roman but I play it everyday several
> hours a day lol.
> Lucius Julius Julianus
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> From: albucius_aoe@...
> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:04:59 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Videogames team created in the aedilitas
>
> Albucius aed. omnibus magistr. s.d.
>
> Here you find below an edict on the creation of a videogames team
> inside the aedilitas.
>
> Now that this necessary preliminary frame is built, we will
> develop
> this field with all the interested cives in order to provide a
> basic
> service for the 2nd half of the year.
>
> Valete omnes,
>
> Albucius aed.
>
> ________________________________________
>
> Aed. Cur. Memmius EDICT (n° 61-09) concerning the creation of an
> internet videogames team (de creatione gregis de interretialibus
> videoludis)
>
> In view of the Constitution of Nova Roma and its paragraph
> IV.a.4.b
> stating the competencies of the curule aediles, specially « to
> see
> to the conduct of public games and other festivals and
> gatherings »;
>
> In view of the aedilician edict 61-05 concerning the
> organization of
> the aedilician team for 2761 a.u.c. ;
>
> Considering that these games include not only the ones
> displayed by
> the Republic in ancient times, and all the kind of contests that
> ancient Rome would know, but also every kind of modern games
> which
> may be focused on the ancient Rome, and, among them, videogaming ;
>
> Considering the profit for Nova Roma to enter internet videogames
> venues and networks, specially the ones relative to the
> ancient Rome,
> and to organize if necessary such kind of venues ;
>
> Considering that this way, Nova Roma will enter in contact with a
> specific public whose knowledge of ancient Rome may be
> improved, and
> which may be interested in a second time by Nova Roma itself, its
> life and its general activities ;
>
> Edicts :
>
> Article 1 : Videogames team
>
> A videogames team is created inside the curule aedilitas, and
> placed
> under the responsibility of the aediles.
> In view of its further development, a team leader may be
> appointed by
> the aediles.
>
> For 2761 a.u.c. (2008 c.c.), Aedile P. Memmius Albucius takes the
> direct responsibility of this team.
>
> The aedilician edict 61-05 must thus be read from now on in
> order to
> include the present creation and responsibility.
>
> Article 2 : Composition of the videogames team
>
> The composition of the team will be specified by a further
> aedilician
> edict or decision. Apart members of the aedilitas, may be
> member of
> this team any Nova Roma citizen interested in videogames
> relative to
> ancient Rome. Exceptionally, foreigners may be invited to
> bring their
> knowledges and skills into this team.
>
> Article 3 : Missions of the videogames team
>
> In the wish to bring into Nova Roma new socii or citizens, the
> videogames team aims to :
>
> - create pages in Nova Roma web site devoted to the videogames
> relative to ancient Rome, and specially to the most famous
> currently, 'Rome Total War'. These pages will host either
> creation
> texts or contents, or will propose links to specialized sites
> outside
> Nova Roma ;
> - create an online gaming team, called « clan » in the online
> gaming
> vocabulary, which may represent Nova Roma in internet online
> gaming,
> and make our republic better known ;
> - create for this Nova Roma « clan », whose administration is
> managed
> by the videogames team and under the control of the curule
> aediles,
> dedicated web pages, with all the features generally offered
> by such
> online gaming teams.
> - organize online videogames gaming, and specially 'Rome Total
> War'
> game tournaments.
>
> The measures evoked in the present article may be specified by
> further aedilician edicts or decisions.
>
> Article 4 : Enforcement of the present edict
>
> Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must,
> as far
> as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which
> will be
> published in the Tabularium Novae Romae at the following address,
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Tabularium_%28Nova_Roma%29,
> <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Tabularium_%28Nova_Roma%29,>
> and
> in Nova Roma Yahoo! relevant lists.
>
> Issued in Cadomagus, Gallia, a.d. VIII Idus Apr. MMDCCLXI
> a.u.c. (6
> April 2008 c.c.) during the consulate of M. Moravius Piscinus
> Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56243 From: David .C Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Re: Videogames team created in the aedilitas
Salve
I'm on Suramar, and have a night elf Rogue lvl 70 named Darious as a main. look me up on armory if you like. I also got a lvl 61 dreanei shammy, 70 dreanei priest, and 67 human pally. All on suramar. My bro has a 70 human warlock on the same realm. We both belong to the guild Silentblades.
Lucius Julius Julianus



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: annia@...
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:11:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Videogames team created in the aedilitas

Salve!
 
What server?
 
I play everyday. I even bought a laptop so I could play at work(it's great having a supervisor who is also your guild master). I'm on Darkspear, Horde. My main is a lvl 67 troll warrior, but I'm currently focusing on my lvl 40 undead warlock(I'm loving the felsteed hehe). My guild is the infamous Tarren Mill Deathguard(http://tmdgguild. org).
 
I'm probably going to cut back on my WoWing so I can practice RTW. I got the Barbarian expansion, but not Alexander.
 
Vale,
 
Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: David .C
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:59 AM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Videogames team created in the aedilitas

Salve
I have played several games based on ancient rome. Civilization Rome, Many of the Caesar game series, and one of the best for roman military nuts Legion Arena. Empire Earth 2 is a great game as well, but its all civilizations in the world, and has a roman one. Very good game. My personal fav game though is World of Warcraft lol. may not be roman but I play it everyday several hours a day lol.
Lucius Julius Julianus



To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
From: albucius_aoe@ hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:04:59 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Videogames team created in the aedilitas

Albucius aed. omnibus magistr. s.d.

Here you find below an edict on the creation of a videogames team
inside the aedilitas.

Now that this necessary preliminary frame is built, we will develop
this field with all the interested cives in order to provide a basic
service for the 2nd half of the year.

Valete omnes,

Albucius aed.

____________ _________ _________ _________ _

Aed. Cur. Memmius EDICT (n° 61-09) concerning the creation of an
internet videogames team (de creatione gregis de interretialibus
videoludis)

In view of the Constitution of Nova Roma and its paragraph IV.a.4.b
stating the competencies of the curule aediles, specially « to see
to the conduct of public games and other festivals and gatherings »;

In view of the aedilician edict 61-05 concerning the organization of
the aedilician team for 2761 a.u.c. ;

Considering that these games include not only the ones displayed by
the Republic in ancient times, and all the kind of contests that
ancient Rome would know, but also every kind of modern games which
may be focused on the ancient Rome, and, among them, videogaming ;

Considering the profit for Nova Roma to enter internet videogames
venues and networks, specially the ones relative to the ancient Rome,
and to organize if necessary such kind of venues ;

Considering that this way, Nova Roma will enter in contact with a
specific public whose knowledge of ancient Rome may be improved, and
which may be interested in a second time by Nova Roma itself, its
life and its general activities ;

Edicts :

Article 1 : Videogames team

A videogames team is created inside the curule aedilitas, and placed
under the responsibility of the aediles.
In view of its further development, a team leader may be appointed by
the aediles.

For 2761 a.u.c. (2008 c.c.), Aedile P. Memmius Albucius takes the
direct responsibility of this team.

The aedilician edict 61-05 must thus be read from now on in order to
include the present creation and responsibility.

Article 2 : Composition of the videogames team

The composition of the team will be specified by a further aedilician
edict or decision. Apart members of the aedilitas, may be member of
this team any Nova Roma citizen interested in videogames relative to
ancient Rome. Exceptionally, foreigners may be invited to bring their
knowledges and skills into this team.

Article 3 : Missions of the videogames team

In the wish to bring into Nova Roma new socii or citizens, the
videogames team aims to :

- create pages in Nova Roma web site devoted to the videogames
relative to ancient Rome, and specially to the most famous
currently, 'Rome Total War'. These pages will host either creation
texts or contents, or will propose links to specialized sites outside
Nova Roma ;
- create an online gaming team, called « clan » in the online gaming
vocabulary, which may represent Nova Roma in internet online gaming,
and make our republic better known ;
- create for this Nova Roma « clan », whose administration is managed
by the videogames team and under the control of the curule aediles,
dedicated web pages, with all the features generally offered by such
online gaming teams.
- organize online videogames gaming, and specially 'Rome Total War'
game tournaments.

The measures evoked in the present article may be specified by
further aedilician edicts or decisions.

Article 4 : Enforcement of the present edict

Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must, as far
as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be
published in the Tabularium Novae Romae at the following address,
http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Category :Tabularium_ %28Nova_Roma% 29, and
in Nova Roma Yahoo! relevant lists.

Issued in Cadomagus, Gallia, a.d. VIII Idus Apr. MMDCCLXI a.u.c. (6
April 2008 c.c.) during the consulate of M. Moravius Piscinus
Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56244 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Chariot Race: please use private mail
Salvete omnes.
To all subscribers and prospective subscribers to the Ludi Ceriales
Chariot Race: to avoid confusion here on the main list, please use my
private mail address (ugo.coppola@...). From now on, I shall accept
only the subscriptions I get in my private mailbox. Thank you.

Bene valete,
P. Con. Placidus
Aedilis Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56245 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: HISTORICAL QUIZ

ANNOUNCEMENT OF HISTORICAL QUIZ

From April 21 onwards, an historical quiz based on famous Latin quotations, entitled Ipse dixit, shall take place on the main Nova Roma mailing list. I will be posting questions relating to a famous phrase in Latin (3 questions for each phrase). The phrases shall come from various periods of ancient Roman history, including the Christian one - which means that at least one quotation from a Gospel shall be included in the quiz. The religious significance of a phrase, if any, shall not interfere with the Religio Romana or with the personal beliefs of any citizens.

All Nova Roman citizens from all Provinciæ may enter the quiz.

The scoring shall be as follows:

  • 2 points for each correct answer
  • 0 points for each wrong answer
  • -1 points for each missing answer (not given)

The quiz shall happen in 6 rounds, each one relating to a phrase and its own set of questions. At the end of the six rounds, the highest-scoring citizen will be the winner and will be rewarded with a new NR coin, as well as a place of honor on the Ludi Ceriales page. If two or more citizens obtain an equal score at the end, a special tie-break round will follow, with individual questions addressed to each top-scoring entrant.

All answers to the historical quiz should not be posted on the main list, but sent privately to me (ugo.coppola@...).

Optime valete,
P. Con. Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56246 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: De jure - L. Liviae, Q. Poplicolae, Po. Minuciae, Cn. Caesari
A. Apollonius L. Liviae Q. Poplicolae Po. Minuciae Cn. Caesari sal.


This message combines shortish replies to L. Livia, Q. Poplicola, Po. Minucia, and Cn. Caesar.


L. Livia scripsisti:

> Anyway I'm the one who told Poplicola that he should at least allow
> you to expose your ideas before writing you off.
> I trust you enough to think you might actually have a viable, simple,
> and roman-based system to propose.
> So probably at this stage it would be best if you actually went ahead
> and exposed it.
> Please, don't let yourself be discouraged by Poplicola: I'm sure most
> of us are eager to hear your proposal and wouldn't dismiss it a
> priori.

Thank you for your confidence. I shall write up a brief description of the ancient system with indications of how I think it might be adapted to suit us.

It will take me a while, and it will be quite long (despite being as brief as I can make it!). I except this will make many people immediately feel confirmed in the view that the ancient system was immensely complex and far more elaborate than we need. So I am going to say this now, and I'll say it again when I've finished the description: the great virtue of it is that in our lifetimes most of it would never need to be used at all. The part of the system that would actually be used would, in my view, be considerably smaller than the system we currently have, because many cases that have been tried over the last few years under our current system would simply be thrown out at the earliest stage under a more Roman system.

Why, then, not just have the portion that would be used, and not bother implementing the large parts that wouldn't be needed? The answer is that we can't confidently predict *which* parts will be needed. Nova Roma is an unpredictable place, and people try to use institutions for unexpected purposes. So to my mind we really might as well put the whole system in place. But I wouldn't expect most of it to be used. Anyway, this is all rather mysterious in the absence of specific details of what I'm talking about, so I'll leave it at that, and explain more fully what I mean when I've finished the outline of the system.


Q. Poplicola scripsisti:

> Minime, amice! It's not frustrating.

I'm glad to hear it, because I'm afraid I've kept you waiting even longer this time! :)

> Concerning your letters, I'm not sure what has gone wrong, but I keep
> care of my inbox, and nothing is in there. Actually, the way Gmail is
> set up, any reply would have been attached to the original sent
> message, unless you changed the topic. Do so send again, it is not a
> bother on my end.

I'll just say for the public record that I see you've found them in your spam folder and have kindly replied, and I shall reply in turn. Many thanks for checking.

> Ancient Rome was not a legally incorporated non-profit religious
> organization. I don't think you can write this off. For one, all our
> laws must be entirely compatible with American laws and international
> laws. Generally speaking, Ancient Roman laws weren't. I'll grant you
> that perhaps you're speaking more about procedure. I tell you this, if
> we were an actual nation conducting our laws like we have, we *would*
> be laughed at. What other real country conducts courtroom cases
> totally online?

I don't think it's quite right to say that "our laws must be entirely compatible with American laws and international laws", unless you simply mean that they must not *require* our citizens to do anything that would be contrary to the laws of their own countries or of the international community. As to conducting cases entirely on-line, that's a fair point, but there seems little alternative (although I am pleased to say that Cn. Equitius as consul made a small step in the right direction by giving provincial governors juris dictio in cases where both parties live in the same province, so in such cases proceedings can actually be done in person, or at least by 'phone).

> Specifically, why the legal system wouldn't exactly work? One, in my
> opinion, great reason is time. I find it unreasonable to expect
> everyone to operate on Roman time. Normal civil procedure, both Roman
> and modern, demands a common time. International businesses don't
> really require that. I can't recall offhand any minor judicial
> procedures which take place over several time zones.

The upshot of this is, I think, that proceedings will simply need to take longer. That's true also because we can't expect anyone to spend whole working days on our proceedings. But that will be true whether we try to use something close to ancient procedure or simply invent something new. And I don't think it would be terribly difficult to adjust the time-limits of the ancient system. Time-limits are usually rather arbitrary anyway. They're not the essence of the system.

> The way Nova Roma is set up, this is impossible to do. And yet we
> still demand it. The praetor Complutensis demanded that Cincinnatus be
> present at noon according to Roman time. He did this in according to
> Nova Roma law and Roman law. But for our organization (both meanings
> implied here), it is not practical to do, and it inherently favors
> those closest to Rome, while punishing those citizens who sleep then.

To be fair, I think he demanded that L. Equitius announce his presence *by* noon, meaning that he could have done it at any time of day. I certainly agree that requiring people to be present *at* particular times of day, especially if such times be chosen without regard to the time-zones in which those people live, would be unhelpful; but I don't think we need do that in order to get fairly close to the ancient system.

> Perhaps you too would like to remove that problem. I do not know, you
> did not release your plan, if it is even filled out yet. I am
> cautioning against a full adoption of the Roman judicial procedure,
> and I've just shown how merely one aspect is unworkable for our
> organization.

Naturally, these minor details are ones on which we must be flexible and recognize the realities of our current situation. But I really think we can get dramatically closer to the ancient system than we are now. Time-limits and times of day are tiny matters in comparison to the fact, for example, that the current Salician system uses the formulary procedure (which the Romans only ever used for private disputes) for criminal trials. Things like that, or like using an ancient Athenian institutions totally unknown to Roman law, are not dictated by the practical realities of our on-line existence: they are simply the result of ignorance of, or wilful departure from, Roman procedure.

> I hate to go through the entire system here, with no references at my
> immediate disposal (I'll have to wait until Monday to get the ones I
> need), and since you already said that you weren't planning on
> adopting everything, but adapting it instead. I'll wait until you
> resend you emails before I comment further.

Fair enough. Thank you very much for giving those illustrations. If that gives a true flavour of your concerns, then I'm very optimistic that we are more likely to agree than we seemed to be! I shan't ask you to continue: I'll accept the initiative now and do as L. Livia suggests by writing up an outline of my suggestions.

> PS - Do you consider the XII Tables to be innovation?

Ooh, that's a tricky question. I would need to go back and look at my notes and books on the period. I seem to recall that there are arguments for regarding parts of it as codification and part of it as innovation. The ban on marriage between patricians and plebeians is, I think, generally believed to have been a novelty, and one that didn't survive for long. But I recall Watson arguing fairly convincingly that large elements of the code were simply restatements, or, at most, tidyings-up, of existing law.


Po. Minucia scripsisti:

> Pompeia: So you don't want the 'whole' legal process of antiquity
> (that would be absurd) but it would seem you want it to permeate our
> system, a strong representation.

Yes, that's a very fair description of my view.

> ... I respect your opinion, and I would
> like to include historical elements too, but this historical shoe must
> fit us, so to speak...we shouldn't have to fit the historical shoe.

Well, yes and no. It must fit us to the extent that it mustn't require us to do things that would be utterly impractical, such as get on 'planes and fly to Rome for every court-case. But I don't think it would do any harm, and indeed I think it would be a very good thing, if we had a system that nudged us into thinking and behaving more like Romans (albeit modern Romans) than we do. That, after all, is the whole point of having the Roman-style institutions we already have, such as comitia, a senate, pontifices, and so on, isn't it? These institutions aren't the most suitable institutions for a small international mostly-on-line community, but they are the most suitable institutions for a Roman community, and because we want to become and remain a Roman community we squeeze ourselves into these slightly uncomfortable institutions in the hope and belief that they will shape us as we wish to be shaped.

> Now I by no means have your legal expertise, or those of others, but I
> have read up on ancient law, and what we have on the books right now
> already has a strong ancient legal counterpart...we don't need to
> reinvent the wheel in this regard.
>
> We already have such a system. It doesn't seem to be working, for
> reasons discussed hitherto. The most important problem imo, being that
> it lacks continuity with our constitution documentation, and
> macronational legal realities.
>
> You, Corde, and others did a brilliant job of researching and writing
> our judicial leges back in 2003, atleast the lex Salicia Peonalis,
> right? (The lex Salicia Iudiciaria was already in existance pretty
> much as a Praetoral edict from 2001, but expired at the end of Dio's
> term).

Oh dear, no, no! This is exactly the mistake I have been worried that people are making! No, the current system is *radically* different from the ancient one. Neither I nor anyone else did a brilliant job of researching and writing the leges Saliciae. We did a rubbish job. It *seemed* like a brilliant job because it was a much better job than anyone in Nova Roma had ever done before, but that's because nobody in Nova Roma had ever done *anything* about constructing a judicial system before! We hadn't a flipping clue what we were doing. I knew nothing about Roman law, and Cn. Salvius knew even less. The only person who knew anything about it was C. Julius, and he only joined us at a very late stage when most of the work had already been done.

This is a very clear case of what is a much wider problem in Nova Roma as a whole: we always assume that 'more historical than what we had before' = 'as historical as we can get'. So when someone implements a reform to make something 'more historical than what we had before', and then it turns out that the reform doesn't work very well, everyone says, "Look, this proves that doing things the Roman way doesn't work, we must give up on the historical model entirely". It invariably proves nothing of the kind. Often it proves exactly the opposite: that the reform didn't go far enough, and was based on a kind of compromise that embodied neither the advantages of the ancient model nor the advantages of any other model. We should *never* assume that what we have at the moment is as historical as we can get. We should *always* go back to the old Romans themselves and compare what we do to what they did.

You go on to say that any system must be compatible with the lex constitutiva, and I quite agree, so I hope you'll forgive me for saying nothing more about it than that!


Cn. Caesar scripsisti:

> There are insufficient internal individual brakes on the part of some
> of those that either control the administration of the current system
> or make use of it. I see no reason to suspect that any other model
> would not be hijacked for political purposes, or reasons of petty
> revenge.

Well, I both agree and disagree. There were *parts* of the ancient judicial system that were quite openly and deliberately used, and even to a great extent designed, as political weapons. But that was okay, and indeed a healthy part of the constitutional system, because it was done openly and deliberately and because the relevant parts of the system we so designed as to contain and control it. I agree with you that it's inevitable that people will try to use any system to pursue both personal vendettas and political agendas. I disagree when you suggest that the solution is to have no system at all. This will not stop those people pursuing their personal vendettas and political agendas. They are going to do that one way or another. If there is no judicial system for them to do it with, they will use other public institutions, and there is a real danger that they will, in doing so, pervert and even destroy those institutions that are simply not
meant to be used in that way.

The solution, surely, is to do what the Romans did and to provide a judicial system that contains elements that *can* be used for that purpose. By providing those mechanisms, the system will not make personal vendettas and political agendas go away, but it will channel them into a well-established, predictable, controlled process and thus prevent them doing damage to other civic institutions, as they would if allowed to roam free. The tap is on and can't be turned off: do you take the hose firmly in hand and point it at the flower-beds that need watering, or do you leg go of the hose and let it spray water all over you and your neighbours?

The current system doesn't do this will because it isn't based on the relevant parts of the ancient system. And, sure enough, it has been used in ways that were not anticipated: "hijacked", as you put it. But the ancient system did have parts that were designed precisely in anticipation of the 'problem' you identify, and that is all the more reason to use the ancient system. Nobody hijacks an aeroplane that is already going where he wants to go. The ancient republican constitution was not about that sort of lifeless, birds-and-flowers sort of social and political harmony that many people seem to want. It was all about harnessing conflict and tension and channelling it in ways that made it at worst harmless and at best a positive, creative, dynamic force. Nova Roma is not very good at that because it is full of people who want a lifeless birds-and-flowers sort of community and who assume that we can make the conflict and tension go away by refusing
to adopt the ancient institutions that were designed to control and harness it. But in the absence of those institutions it doesn't go away, it just becomes directionless and destructive. The Romans knew what they were doing, and we should trust them.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56247 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: MEGALESIA: Plautus Certamen Historicum - Day 1
Salvete omnes,

Here are the questions for the second Certamen Historicum of the
Megalesia on the Roman Playwright, Plautus.

The Certamen will be two days with 15 questions each day. Answers may
be submitted before Midnight, Rome time, on April 10th. Answers and
awards will be announced on April 15th.

The top three contestants will be awarded a Ludi Cultural Competition
medal for their efforts.

Send your answers to: lucius_vitellius_triarius@...


****************************************************

DAY 1 QUESTIONS

1. What was Plautus' full name?

2. What does the name "Plautus" mean?

3. Which of Plautus' plays was probably his most famous and was used
by William Shakespeare as an inspiration for his "Comedy of Errors"?

4. Where and when was Plautus born?

5. When did Plautus produce his first play?

6. How long did Plautus write plays without a competitive rival?

7. How many of Plautus' plays do we have today that have survived?

8. For what reasons are the plays of Plautus much more valuable than
those of Terence as pictures of Roman life?

9. In what Plautus play, written at the time of the second Punic War,
do we find a unique picture of the Roman enemies drawn by the popular
Roman poet?

10. Which Plautus play refers to the imprisonment of the poet Naevius
for satirizing the aristocracy?

11. Which Plautus play alludes to the conflict with Carthage?

12. Which two Plautus plays refer to the repeal of the puritanic
Oppian Laws?

13. Which two Plautus plays mention the wars in Greece and Magnesia?

14. Which Greek playwright was probably most influential on Plautus'
writing style?

15. Which Plautus play became Moliere's The Miser?

****************************************************

Thanks and good hunting!

Valete optime,
Triarius

For:

M. Hortensia Maior, Quaestor et Editor
Sex. Lucilius Tutor, Aed. Cur.


You may also view the Megalesia and Event Pages at:

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56248 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: MEGALESIA: Plautus Certamen Historicum - Day 1
Salvete omnes,

Here are the questions for the second Certamen Historicum of the
Megalesia on the Roman Playwright, Plautus.

The Certamen will be two days with 15 questions each day. Answers may
be submitted before Midnight, Rome time, on April 10th. Answers and
awards will be announced on April 15th.

The top three contestants will be awarded a Ludi Cultural Competition
medal for their efforts.

Send your answers to: lucius_vitellius_triarius@...


****************************************************

DAY 1 QUESTIONS

1. What was Plautus' full name?

2. What does the name "Plautus" mean?

3. Which of Plautus' plays was probably his most famous and was used
by William Shakespeare as an inspiration for his "Comedy of Errors"?

4. Where and when was Plautus born?

5. When did Plautus produce his first play?

6. How long did Plautus write plays without a competitive rival?

7. How many of Plautus' plays do we have today that have survived?

8. For what reasons are the plays of Plautus much more valuable than
those of Terence as pictures of Roman life?

9. In what Plautus play, written at the time of the second Punic War,
do we find a unique picture of the Roman enemies drawn by the popular
Roman poet?

10. Which Plautus play refers to the imprisonment of the poet Naevius
for satirizing the aristocracy?

11. Which Plautus play alludes to the conflict with Carthage?

12. Which two Plautus plays refer to the repeal of the puritanic
Oppian Laws?

13. Which two Plautus plays mention the wars in Greece and Magnesia?

14. Which Greek playwright was probably most influential on Plautus'
writing style?

15. Which Plautus play became Moliere's The Miser?

****************************************************

Thanks and good hunting!

Valete optime,
Triarius

For:

M. Hortensia Maior, Quaestor et Editor
Sex. Lucilius Tutor, Aed. Cur.


You may also view the Megalesia and Event Pages at:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_2761_AUC_%28Nova_Roma%29
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56249 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: MEGALESIA: Plautus Certamen Historicum - Day 1
Salvete omnes,

Here are the questions for the second Certamen Historicum of the
Megalesia on the Roman Playwright, Plautus.

The Certamen will be two days with 15 questions each day. Answers may
be submitted before Midnight, Rome time, on April 10th. Answers and
awards will be announced on April 15th.

The top three contestants will be awarded a Ludi Cultural Competition
medal for their efforts.

Send your answers to: lucius_vitellius_triarius@...


****************************************************

DAY 1 QUESTIONS

1. What was Plautus' full name?

2. What does the name "Plautus" mean?

3. Which of Plautus' plays was probably his most famous and was used
by William Shakespeare as an inspiration for his "Comedy of Errors"?

4. Where and when was Plautus born?

5. When did Plautus produce his first play?

6. How long did Plautus write plays without a competitive rival?

7. How many of Plautus' plays do we have today that have survived?

8. For what reasons are the plays of Plautus much more valuable than
those of Terence as pictures of Roman life?

9. In what Plautus play, written at the time of the second Punic War,
do we find a unique picture of the Roman enemies drawn by the popular
Roman poet?

10. Which Plautus play refers to the imprisonment of the poet Naevius
for satirizing the aristocracy?

11. Which Plautus play alludes to the conflict with Carthage?

12. Which two Plautus plays refer to the repeal of the puritanic
Oppian Laws?

13. Which two Plautus plays mention the wars in Greece and Magnesia?

14. Which Greek playwright was probably most influential on Plautus'
writing style?

15. Which Plautus play became Moliere's The Miser?

****************************************************

Thanks and good hunting!

Valete optime,
Triarius

For:

M. Hortensia Maior, Quaestor et Editor
Sex. Lucilius Tutor, Aed. Cur.


You may also view the Megalesia and Event Pages at:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_2761_AUC_%28Nova_Roma%29
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56250 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Repeats
Salvete,

Looks like Yahoo is in a repeating mode today...LOL!

Valete optime,
Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56251 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: MEGALESIA: The NAUMACHIA in the Flavian Amphitheatre ! ! !
==3:00 PM ~ Live at the Colosseum==

Salvete omnes! This is by M. Verus Paenula, bringing you LIVE
REPORTING from the Flavian Amphitheatre this cool, wet, rainy
afternoon for the Naumachia of the Megalesia!


Citizens and non-citizens alike are arriving here in Roma for the
event, which has brought a large number of ships and boats into the
Port Tibernius. Many veteran marines and sailors, both merchant and
naval, have come to the city for this special nautical event.

As we make our way into the Colosseum, the streets are filled with
vendors pressing their nautical wares on every citizen that they can
cast their net on. Need a trident or model Roman Galley or bottle of
Garum, Well, you can find it ere! Neptune and Mercury have obviously
directed their attention to the Forum Romanum and plaza outside the
Amphitheatre today!

Let's walk around and speak with a couple of the vendors.



==3:10 PM ~ Before the Games==

As we make our way through the crowds, we see one of our esteemed
citizens, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, mercator and owner of Harpax
working wildly with his assistants to serve a large group of
customers at his display booth. Agrippa, tell us a little something
about your business, Harpax. So, what kind of a name is "Harpax"
anyway?

Agrippa smiles and statesÂ…

The name comes from a grappling hook fired from a Roman navy vessel.

One of the superb tactical innovations developed by Marcus Agrippa,
the harpax was designed to be fired from a catapult at an approaching
enemy ship, smashing into a hull to connect the two vessels. The
Romans then reeled in the foe, smashing their oars and making them
susceptible to attack by the highly skilled Imperial Marines. The
harpax enjoyed its greatest hour at Actium, on September 2, 31 BCE,
when the fleet of Octavian (Augustus) routed the ships of Antony and
Cleopatra. Using the lighter Liburnian vessels, Agrippa, Octavian's
admiral, moved around Antony's heavier ships, pinning and boarding
them."1

Harpax was created to offer Nova Romans with quality licensed
products and clothing. Ten percent of all of our sales are given to
the treasury of Nova Roma to help fund things like scholarships for
students of Classical history, the purchase of land, and donations
for the restoration of ancient sites like the Temple of Magna Mater.
As we are located in Castellum Augusti (otherwise known as Edmonton),
another ten percent of all of our sales will be donated to help our
efforts in western Canada.

Thanks for taking time out from sales to speak with us, and may
Mercurius and Neptune continue to bless your business for the rest of
the day!

Agrippa waves, then shouts over the hum of the crowd for us to make
sure and visit him online in the Macellum!

Across the plaza, we can see the Sodalitas Militarium display,
currently being manned by Militarium Commander and Praefectus
Castrorum, Marcus Minucius Audens, and
Praefecta Navalis, Pompeia Minucia Strabo, who is set to officially
start the day's event in the Colosseum here shortly.

As we make our way over to the Militarium display, Senator Audens
waves and welcomes us in. Praefectus Strabo offers us a small tester
bowl of fish chowder, flavored with garum.

Looking at the display we see several items on loan from the Museums
at Ravenna and Misenum.

Senator Audens can you tell us a little about the Roman Navy, I mean,
about the Fleet itself?

Senator Audens lights up, remembering his days on the Rhine River
Patrol, and explains:

The Roman Navy was always considered an inferior arm and was strictly
under army control. But already during the First Punic War, Rome
proved itself capable of launching a fleet capable of checking an
established naval power such as Carthage. Romans were no sailors
though. They had no knowledge of ship building. Their ships were in
fact built copying the example of captured Carthaginian vessels,
combined with the expertise supplied by the Greek cities of southern
Italy. Rather unexpected success in battle was obtained by a logical
Roman idea that a warship was little more than a floating platform on
which the soldiers could be brought into close contact with the enemy.

For this purpose they invented a huge boarding plank with a large
spike on the end, which could be raised and lowerd like a drawbridge.
Before battle it would be raised and then dropped onto an enemy's
deck. The spike would embed itself into the oppnent's deck planking
and the legionaries could board the enemy vessel across it. This
elaborate contraption was called 'the raven' (corvus) This invention
gave Rome five victories at sea. However, it is believed that it's
weight, carried above the water line, also made the ships unstable,
and could in rough seas cause them to capsize.

In effect, much of this achievement of their sea victories was
minimized by the losses the Romans hence suffered at sea. Partially
the corvus might well be responsible for some of these losses. But
generally it was the inept way the Romans handled their vessels as
well as their ill fortune in running into several tempests.

It is possible that Rome's losses at sea through lack of seamanship
and ignorance of navigation had her rely completely on the Greek
cities to provide ships when they were required. But as Rome gained
control of the lands of the eastern Mediterranean, so the sea power
of the Greek cities declined, and in the years 70-68 BC the pirates
of Cilicia were able to carry on their trade with impunity right up
to the Italian coastline.

The threat to the vital corn supply was such that the Senate was
stung into action and gave Pompey an extraordinary command to clear
the seas of pirates. He achieved this in only three months. Far too
short a period in which to have built any ships of his own. His fleet
was largely composed of vessels pressed into service from the Greek
cities. After this there is evidence of fleets kept in the Aegean,
although they may not always have been in great fighting condition.

It was the civil war between Caesar and Pompey which so clearly
demonstrated the true significance of sea power and at one time there
had been as many as a thousand ships engaged in the Mediterranean. As
the struggle continued Pompey's son, Sextus, acquired a fleet
sufficient to keep Octavian at bay and endanger the grain supply to
Rome.

Octavian and Agrippa set to work to construct a large fleet at Forum
Iulii, and train the crews. In 36 BC Sextus was finally defeated at
Naucholus and Rome became, once more, mistress of the western
Mediterranean. The final event of the civil war was the Battle of
Actium, which destroyed Antony.

Octavian was left with some 700 ships of various sizes, ranging from
heavy transports to light galleys (liburnae, which were his private
property and which he manned with slaves and freedmen of his personal
service. - No Roman citizenry ever handled an oar !
These ships formed the first standing fleet, the best ships forming
the first permanent squadron of the Roman Navy and established at
Forum Iulii (Fréjus).

Augustus saw, as with the army itself, the need for a permanent
arrangement for maintaining the peace, but the most strategic and
economical situations for the main bases had yet to be evolved. Forum
Iulii controlled the north-western Mediterranean, but soon further
bases were needed to protect Italy itself and the corn supply to Rome
and the Adriatic. an obvious choice was Misenum on the Bay of Naples,
and considerable harbour works and buildings were started by
Augustus, the port thereafter remaining the most important naval base
throughout Imperial times.

Augustus also constructed a new naval harbour at Ravenna at the head
of the Adriatic, helping to deal with any potential trouble form
Dalmatia and Illyria, should it arise.
Another important area which Augustus felt needed special care and
protection was Egypt, and it is probable that he founded the
Alexandrine Fleet. (For services to Vespasian in the civil war it was
rewarded with the title Classis Augusta Alexandrina).
the squadron had a detachment along the African coast at Caesarea
when Mauretania became a province and may have been responsible for
supplying the armies sent there under Claudius.

A Syrian squadron, the Classis Syriaca was believed by later Roman
historians to have been founded by Hadrian, but it is believed that
is was created much earlier.
Along the northern frontiers squadrons were created to meet the needs
along the coasts and rivers as the empire expanded. The conquest of
Britain involved massive naval preparations. Ships were assembled at
Gesoraicum (Boulogne) and this harbour remained the main base for the
Classis Britannica.

The fleet naturally played a vital part in the conquest of Britain,
in bringing supplies to the troops. One of the finest recorded
achievements in the conquest of Britain is the circumnavigation of
the Scotland under Agricola, proving that in fact Britain was an
island. In AD 83 the fleet was used to soften the position in
Scotland by making lightning raids up the east coast; it also
discovered the Orkney islands.

In the campaign against the Germans the Rhine played a major role.
Squadrons of the fleet were operating along the lower stretches of
the river as early as 12 BC under Drusus the Elder, but with as yet
little understanding of the tides his ships were left high and dry in
the Zuyder Zee and his forces were only saved by the Frisian allies.
Drusus also constructed a canal to shorten the distance from the
Rhine to the North Sea. This was used by his son Germanicus in AD 15,
in whose campaign the fleet was again much in evidence.

But the stormy weather of Northern Europe generally proved a lot to
handle for a Roman fleet more accustomed to the calm waters of the
Mediterranean. The fleets both in Germany and Britain suffered heavy
losses throughout.

Although its activities could hardly be called distinguished, the
fleet of the Rhine did receive the title Augusta from Vespasian an
later shared with the Lower German units the title pia fidelis
Domitiana, following the suppression of Antonius Saturninus.

The headquarters of the German fleet, the fleet of the Rhine, or
Classis Germanica, were at today's town of Alteburg near Cologne..
There were probably other stations lower down the river, especially
near the mouth, where navigation became hazardous.

The Danube, the other great natural boarder guarding the Roman empire
from the northern hordes, has a natural division into two parts at
the Iron Gates in the Kazan Gorge at it was probably difficult to
pass in times of low water. The river thus came to have two fleets,
the Pannonian fleet, Classis Pannonica, in the west, and the Moesian
fleet, Classis Moesica, to the east.

The Pannonian fleet owed its creation to the campaign of Augustus in
35 BC. The natives attempted naval warfare on the Sava river with
dugout canoes but with short-lived success.

Hostile patrols and supply routes along the rivers Sava and Drava
became factors in this campaign. As soon as the Danube became the
frontier the fleet was moved there, although Roman patrols will have
continued along the main southern tributaries of the great stream.

With Trajan's conquest of Dacia added the need also patrol the
northern tributaries- and furthermore the need to guard the coast
toward the vast Black Sea, the Pontus Euxinus.

Extensively colonized by the Greeks in the eighth to sixth century
BC, it did not attract any serious attention from Rome until the
reign of Claudius; until then power had been invested in friendly or
client kings.

Little attempt had been made to control piracy. It was the annexation
of Thrace which brought part of the shoreline under direct Roman
control and there appears to have been a Thracian fleet, the Classis
Perinthia, which may have been of native origin. The Armenian
campaigns under Nero's rule led to the taking over of Pontus , and
the royal fleet became the Classis Pontica.

During the civil war following Nero's death the Black Sea became a
battleground. The freedman Anicetus, commander of the fleet, raised
the standard of Vitellius, destroyed the Roman ships and the town of
Trapezus and then turned to piracy assisted by tribes from the
eastern shore who used a type of boat known as camera.

Thus, a new fleet had to be fitted out and this, with legionary
support, frown Anicetus into his stronghold at the mouth of the river
Khopi on the east shore from where he was alas surrendered to the
Romans by the local tribesmen.

Under Hadrian the Black Sea was divided between the Classis Pontica,
responsible for the southern and eastern parts of the Black Sea, the
mouth of the Danube and the coastline to the north as far as the
Crimea was the responsibility of the Classis Moesica.

Thank you Senator for that detailed explanation. Now we know a little
bit about the history of the fleet, Praefectus Strabo, can you tell
us something about the organization of the fleet and about the naval
battle depicted here today, so that some of our readers who are not
familiar with the Navy can understand the events they will be
watching in the Colosseum here a short period from now?

Praefecta Strabo takes a sip of Falernian, smiles, then explains:

The commanders of the fleet were praefecti recruited from the
equestrian order like those of the auxiliaries. their status in the
military and civil hierarchy underwent changes in the first century
AD. At first there was a tendency to use army officers, tribunes and
primipilares (first centurions), but under Claudius it became linked
with civil careers and some commands were given to imperial freedmen.
Though this proved unsatisfactory, one need only look at the example
of Anicetus to understand why.

There was a reorganization under Vespasian, who raised the status of
the praefecture, and the command of the Misene Fleet became one of
the most important and prestigious equestrian posts obtainable. This,
together with the praefecture of Ravenna, became a purely
administrative position with active service a very unlikely event.
The praefectures of the provincial fleets ranked with auxiliary
commands.

The lower commands present a complex system. In the first place many
of these positions were Greek, owing to the origins of Roman
navigation. The navarch must have been the squadron commander, the
trierarchus a ship captain, but just how many ships constituted a
squadron is unknown, although there are indications that it might
have been ten.

The basic difference between army and navy was that navy officers
could never hope for promotion into another arm, until the system was
changed by Antoninus Pius. The highest rank any sailor could achieve
until then was to become a navarch.

The ship was commanded by a Trierarchus, the ship's Captain. Each
ship had a small administrative staff under a beneficarius and the
whole crew was considered a century under a centurion assisted by an
optio.

Presumably the centurion was responsible for the military aspects and
had under his command a small force of trained infantry who acted as
a spearhead in an assault party. The rowers and the other crew
members would have some arms training and would have been expected to
fight when called upon. The exact relationship between centurion and
trierarchus may have been difficult at times, but custom must have
established precise spheres of authority.

The sailors themselves were normally recruited from the lower ranks
of society, but were free men. However, the Romans had never readily
taken to the sea and few sailors would have been from Italian origin.
Most would have originated from amongst the sea-faring peoples of the
eastern Mediterranean.

Service was for twenty-six years, a year longer than the auxiliaries,
marking the fleet as a slightly inferior service, and citizenship was
the reward for discharge. Very occasionally whole crews might for a
special piece of gallantry be fortunate enough to receive immediate
discharge and there are also cases where they were enrolled into the
legion.

Today's naumachia depicts the first Roman naval victory during the
Second Punic War with Carthage. It was during this time that the
Cult of the Magna Mater, or Cybele, was brought to Rome. Today's
event will reconstruct a small duel from the sea battle of Lilybaeum.
The Colosseum has been flooded with water from the nearby Aqua Anio
Novus aqueduct.

The Battle of Lilybaeum was the first naval clash between the navies
of Carthage and Rome during the Second Punic War. The Carthaginians
had sent 35 Quinqueremes to raid Sicily, starting with Lilybaeum. The
Romans, warned by Hiero of Syracuse of the coming raid, had time to
intercept the Carthaginian contingent with a fleet made of 20
Quinqueremes and capture several Carthaginian ships.

The Roman navy had been mobilized in 219 BC, fielding 220
Quinqueremes for fighting Illyrians. Publius Cornelius Scipio
received 4 legions (8,000 Roman and 14,000 allied infantry and 600
Roman and 1,600 allied horse) and was to sail for Iberia escorted by
60 ships.

However, Gauls of the Boii and Insuber tribes in north Italy attacked
Roman colonies of Placentia and Cremona, causing the Romans to flee
to Mutina, which the Gauls then besieged. Praetor L. Manlius Vulso
marched with 2 Roman legions, 600 Roman Horse, 10,000 allied infantry
and 1,000 allied cavalry towards Cisalpine Gaul from Ariminium. This
army was ambushed twice on the way, lost 1,200 men, and although the
siege of Mutina was raised, the army itself fell under a loose siege
a few miles from Mutina. This event prompted the Roman Senate to send
1 of Scipio's legions and 5,000 allied troops to aid Vulso. Scipio
had to raise troops to replace these and thus could not set out for
Iberia until September of 218 BC.

Consul Tiberius Sempronius Longus received 4 legions (2 Romans and 2
allied, 8,000 Roman and 16,000 allied infantry and 600 Roman and
1,800 allied horse) and instructions to sail for Africa with escorted
by 160 Quinqueremes. Sempronius had set sail for Sicily, where he was
to complete his preparations for invading Africa.

Hannibal had dismissed his army to winter quarters after the Siege of
Saguntum. In the summer of 218 BC, Hannibal stationed 15,000 soldiers
and 21 elephants in Iberia under his brother Hasdrubal Barca, and
sent 20,000 soldiers in Africa with 4,000 garrisoning Carthage
itself. The army that marched for Italy from Cartagena supposed to
have numbered 90,000 foot and 12,000 cavalry, and 37 elephants.
Hannibal divided his army into 3 column before crossing the Ebro
River, and attacked the Iberian tribes of Illergetes, Bergusii and
Ausetani in Catalonia. In a 2 month long campaign, Hannibal subdued
parts of Catalonia between the Ebro, the Pyrenees and the Sicoris
river in a swift, if costly campaign.

The Iberian contingent of the Punic navy numbered 50 Quinqueremes
(only 32 were manned) and 5 triremes, which remained in the Iberian
waters, having shadowed Hannibal's army for some way. Carthage
mobilized at least 55 Quinqueremes for immediate raids on Italy and
Sicily.

The Carthaginian navy struck the first blow when a fleet of 20
Quimqueremes, loaded with 1,000 soldiers, raided the Lipari Islands.
Another group of eight ships attacked the Vulcan islands, but were
blown off-course in a storm towards the Straits of Messina. The
Syracusan navy, then at Messina, managed to capture three of the
ships without resistance. Learning from their crews that a
Carthaginian fleet was to attack Lilybaeum, Hiero II, who was at
Messina awaiting the arrival of Sempronius, warned the Roman praetor
Marcus Amellius at Lilybaeum.

The Carthaginian fleet was hampered by bad weather and had to wait
before comencing their operation. Although the Romans only had 20
ships present at Lilybaeum, the praetor, after receiving the warning
from Hiero of Syaracuse, provisioned them for a long sail and put in
a proper contingent of Roman legionaries on board each ship before
the Carthaginian fleet appeared. He also posted lookouts along the
coast to watch for the Carthaginian ships.

The Carthaginians had broken their journey at the Aegatess Islands,
and when they sailed for Lilybaeum on a moonlit night, they intended
to make their approach coincide with the dawn. The Roman lookouts
spotted them well before they reached the harbour. As the Romans
sallied forth, the Carthaginians lowered their sails for battle and
moved to the open sea. The Carthaginians outnumbered the Romans, but
their ships were undermanned and the Romans had the advantage of
containing a larger number of soldiers aboard their ships. Playing to
their individual strengths, the Roman ships tried to close with the
Carthaginian ships and grapple them, while the Carthaginians tried to
evade the onrushing Roman ships and ram them if possible. In the
melee, the Romans managed to board and capture seven Carthaginian
ships and take 1,700 prisoners. The remaining Carthaginian ships
managed to retreat. The Roman losses are unknown.

The Romans had managed to thwart the attempt by the Carthaginians to
establish a base in Sicily. The Consul T. Sempronous Longus soon
arrived with his army and fleet in Sicily. He sailed with his fleet
to Malta, where he captured the island and bagged 2,000 prisoners,
along with the Carthaginian garrison commander, Hamilcar Gisco. He
then sailed to intercept a Carthaginian naval contingent raiding the
Vulcan islands. The Carthaginian contingent had sailed and raided the
Roman territory around Vibo in Bruttium. Sempronis received the news
of the Battle of Ticinus and was summoned by the Roman senate to aid
Scipio. He posted 50 ships at Lilybaeum under Marcus Amellius,
another 25 in Vibo, then sent his army via land and sea to Ariminium.

In today's event, we are using Biremes, due to the size of the
Quinquiremes and limited space inside. Each team, Roman and
Carthaginian, will have one ship. We have flooded the Flavian
Amphitheatre and built an earthen mound in the center of the arena to
serve as a representation of Sicily. On the mound is a large, golden
trident in honor of Neptune, which the Carthaginian team will attempt
to raid and obtain to win the naumachia. It is the job of the Roman
team to prevent this from happening, and thus prevent "losing" Sicily
to the Carthaginians. Who will win? We will just have to wait and
see!

Thank you both for preparing us well before the Naumachia! We will
see you both inside in a few minutes.



==3:30 PM ~ Before the Games ==

As we find our seats in the stands, we see Gaia Aurelia Falco
Silvana, sponsor of the Carthaginian Team. Silvana, could you please
give us a preview of the Carthaginian Team we are about to experience?

Gaia Aurelia laughs and advises:

The Carthaginian Team has been organized by the Factio Praesina,
namely the staff at the Ludus Praesinus, who have all worked
exceptionally hard to prepare for the event. We will be representing
the Factio Tanit, representing Tanit, the Goddess of Carthage.

The ship we are using today belongs to the Domus Aurelia and has been
transported here via the Tiber River from our facilities in Ostia. In
accordance with the rules of the Naumachia, our ship, the Ira Hori
(The Wrath of Horus), is a bireme, or Roman Galley, an ancient Greek-
style naval ship 80 feet (24 metres) long with a maximum beam length
of around 10 feet (3 metres) with two sets of oars on each side. Our
commandant has a dark green tent on the open deck. In the
Carthaginian tradition for fighting ships, the stern rises higher
than the bow, giving the commandant a clear view of the action. Our
ship is called IRA HORI (Wrath of Horus) because one of the Deities
of Domus Aurelia Falco is the Egyptian God Horus (also well-known to
the Carthaginians).

Our main sail is Green (the owner being a member of Factio Praesina).
The device on the sail is a gigantic Eye of Horus, with the center of
the eye coloured red to show the great wrath of the God, which will
burn the hearts of the enemy with fear.

Our ship's keel slices down from the bow to the waterline in a
smooth, leading curve to draw the enemy oars under our ship.
However, the keel lying beneath the hull is deeply saw-toothed. No
oar can escape unbroken. In keeping with Phoenician /Punic
tradition, our ship has massive bow oars and scull oars near the
stern, for steering. Steering from bow and stern at the same time
enables us to turn 180 degrees very, very quickly. The bow and scull
oars can be clamped to the hull to serve as battering rams if needed,
though this is not our primary tactic. Their position means that we
can ram almost as well backing into an enemy ship, as charging bow-
first. Our ship remains light and agile because it is not weighted
down with a massive bronze ram. Also, we have it armed with grappling
hooks and grappling pikes. Armoured marine troops with lances in
first rank, all ranks armed with swords, daggers and small shields.

Our Trierarchus (ship's captain) is Himilco Gesco. Many may know his
name by various spellings (Gesco, Gisco, Gisgo). Himilco Gesco was
born in the powerful Carthaginian colony Eivissa (present Ibiza) in
the Balearic Islands. Both names, Himilco and Gesco, ring through
Carthaginian history, although these are their romanized forms.
Himilco's Carthaginian name is Chimilkat. Sometime before 410 BC,
one of his ancestors, also named Himilco, voyaged into the Atlantic
Ocean and as far as Britannia. The name Gesco is also widespread
among commanders of land and sea forces, and another ancestor of our
Trierarchus was the Carthaginian war hero Gesco, who defended
Lilybaeum in the First Punic War, negotiating the treaty when Rome
defeated his fellow commander Hanno in 241 BC.

Our marine crew is comprised mainly native Carthaginian troops, whose
forefathers got a taste of fighting as citizen militia putting down
Carthage's internal rebellion years ago. They passed the fire of
patriotism to their sons, eager to fight for the glory of their
nation – and for a secure income. They are complemented by Spanish
mercenaries with plenty of experience defending convoys of
Carthaginian trading ships, who are eager to take the offensive. A
small contingent of loyal Greek archers is trained to shoot from the
rigging down onto the enemy ships.

Our common crewmen are of Greek origin, descended from Greek troops
who fled to Carthage after the defeat of Pyrrhus by the Romans. Many
also have fathers and grandfathers who were involved in internal
rebellion after the First Punic war, so their hatred of Rome is
channeled into rowing.

We will primarily be using the *Sweeping the oars* tactic: the ship's
hull is used to ride across and break the oars of an enemy ship,
immobilising it, then boarding it. We shall clip the wings of the
enemy in honour of our patron Deity, Horus, then seize them in
military talons and crush them as the deadly falcon crushes his
prey. We thus honour the two chief symbols of Horus: the Eye of
Horus, painted on our mainsail, and the winged disc of the sun.,
depicting his role as the falcon God of kingship, sky and victory.

Our main type of attack depends on the skill of Himilco Gesco, the
angry strength of our Greek rowers, and our battle-hardened marine
troops out to avenge defeats Rome has inflicted on Carthage, and on
the Spanish captains of Carthaginian silver ships. Polybius in Book
VI of his History, writes that the Carthaginians were, "more
exercised in maritime affairs than any other people." And Himilco
Gesco comes of a family deeply rooted in the (very successful)
exercise of maritime affairs.

Our rowers have been drilled to perfection. On the drummer's signal,
they can withdraw their oars inboard with lightning speed. When clear
of the enemy ship, on another signal, their oar-blades fly through
the ports into the water to circle for the kill: breaking the oars
on the other side and then pulling close for .boarding. Our fighting
marines will win over any enemy ship.

Thank you, Silvana, for the insight on what our Roman Team is up
against on the deep blue sea today. Well, the water is only five
feet deep for safety reasons, but it sounds good anyway!

As we move on through the stands, we see Vestal Maxima Valeria
Messallina, sponsor of the Roman Team here today. Messallina, could
you tell us something about the Roman Team!

Messallina smiles with a sarcastic grin and says, "NoÂ…", then
chuckles and agrees to provide us with "very limited information" as
not to give anything away!

Our ship is the Constantia (meaning Tenacity) and is the one down
there with the deep sea blue main sail. It will be commanded by
Sabinus, a veretan of the Roman Navy. He has personally selected a
crew, made up of marines and sailors: the oars to be manned by
convicts so any loss of life would not be Roman. The marines are
Romans mixed with some tall Celts and Germans who have become Roman
citizens. Each marine is armed with swords, daggers, bow and arrows,
etc, whatever was used to fight with when they boarded a ship. We
plan to use the *Sweeping the oars* tactic, where the ship's hull is
used to ride across and break the oars of an enemy ship, immobilising
it, then boarding it. We are representing the Factio Neptune
(Veneta), so hopefully, Neptune we will be in Neptune's favor today!

Messallina, we wish you and your team the best! Vale and Good
sailing!

Let's now watch as the opening ceremonies are now beginningÂ…



==3:45 PM ~ Opening Ceremony ==

The opening processional enters the arena on small barges, covered
with various flowers, several troupes of musicians perform uplifting
and triumphant tunes, as they lead the parade onto the water. Behind
the musicians come members of the Sodalitas Militarium, Navalis
Cohors, who will be boarding and inspecting the ships and their
weapons used in today's naumachia. Next, comes the magistrate corps
barge: the Curule Aediles, P. Memmius Albucius and Sex. Lucilius
Tutor, followed by Quaestors L. Vitellius Triarius and M. Hortensia
Maior and the Aedilian cohors. Behind them come the Consules, M.
Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.

Behind the Consules, as the crowd erupts into thunderous excitement,
as the Roman and Carthaginian Teams are shuttled out to their ships

As the musicians make a circle around the arena, then disembark to
find their appointed seats, the Militarium inspectors finish their
examination and certification of the ships and weapons and signal
their approval to the officials. The Consules, now seated, await the
start of the games, while Quaestor Hortensia ans Praefecta Strabo
prepare to start the Naumachia.

Quaestor Hortensia makes the opening announcements:

"We welcome you to today's matches and ask that everyone refrain from
throwing objects down into the water. Refreshments today are provided
to Citizens as follows: Muslum is provided by the Quaestor's own
Vitellian Vineyards in Ostia and cakes are provided by the Palatine
Guild of Bakers. The Palatine Guild of Bakers uses only the finest
Roman grain. The Naumachia will now begin!

With that, Quaestor Hortensia stands up, hands the mappa to Praefecta
Strabo, who wraps the mappa around the end of an arrow, knocked by an
archer from Legio XXIII, several times and then fastens the end of
the mappa to the tip of the arrow. She signals to the archer, who
slowly raises his bow toward the center of the arena. Another archer
lights the mappa, then the shooter releases the flaming signal into
the air. The flaming arrow, representative of the fireball munition
rounds fired from a ship's ballista, soars over the crowd, across the
water and finds its way to a permanent home, embedding itself in the
earthen mound rising up out of the water in the center of the arena.
The Naumachia has begun!



==4:00 PM ~ NAUMACHIA!!!==

As the flaming arrow lands in the mound, the teams prepare for
combat! On the western end of the arena, the Carthaginians raise
their main sail and the drum begins to beat its beginning page.
Conversely, on the eastern end, the Roman Team hoists their deep sea
blue sail, and the oarsmen are already rowing before the drummer
starts his pace count.

As the Romans begin their engagement around the northern side of the
mound, the Carthaginian captain immediately orders his ship to
proceed around the southern side. With this, the Roman ship skirts
the side of the mound and several armed Roman marines and archers
jump ship onto the mound to provide a protective force on the island.
This appears to be an early defensive measure to secure the trident
in case of an early assault. The tactic works and the Carthaginian
ship avoids the armed mound, proceeding around the mound to the
east.

The Roman ship has now made it to the western end of the arena, and
the Captain is ordering the oarsmen to do somethingÂ…we cannot tell.
It looks like he has ordered them to stop the boat. I'm not sure that
this is a good tactic, but we will have to wait and see. Now the
ship is pivoting to the left or port side on an oblique angle. It now
comes to a stop.

The Carthaginian ship is now slowing to evaluate the change in
tactics and counter whatever tactic the Roman Captain is about to
employ. The Romans are now doing something on deck. There seems to
be a lot of movement. The Carthaginians waitÂ…

OOOHHHH! A large rain of flaming arrows have just been launched from
the port side of the Roman ship. The Carthaginians brace for impact,
but the arrows fall short and land in the water just short of the
Carthaginian ship. That formidable Eye of Horus must be working!

Now, the Carthaginians man their ballista and return a length of
heavy chain through the air, which hits right on its targetÂ…the Roman
mast. Actually, it strikes near the masthead, breaking the top few
feet of the mast and damaging the upper part of the sail.

The Romans return the favor with a series of fireball munitions,
which land both on and around the ship! The Carthaginian crew
attempts to extinguish the fire, with several sailors jumping
overboard to put out the flames of their lighted tunics. Safety
boats are rowed out into the foray to pick up the men overboard, who
are now disqualified from competing. According to the rules of the
Naumachia, if the sailors go in, then they come out.

The Carthaginians are now ripping the sail off the mast to prevent
the main ship from catching fire! In the midst of the confusion, the
Roman captain has order his oarsmen to advance. The drum beats and
the oars rotate. The Roman ship is making their way around the island
toward the Carthaginians. The Carthaginian artillery have not be lost
in the confusion and have been preparing for another counter attack.
Now they launch more chain rounds toward the oncoming Roman ship.
This is a frontal assault, so they do not have the luxury of a broad
target, but they do have the element of depth if they can manage to
lay their rounds in a line down the length of the ship, which they
do! The rounds land at various points down the length of the ship
from the bow to the mast. Several of the chains strike the main
sail, shredding it to rags! The remainder land on the deck, causing
mass chaos and reeking havoc among the marines and oarsmen. The
Roman Captain demands that the crew maintain a steady fast pace,
directly aiming for the side of the Carthaginian ship on its port
side.

The Carthaginians brace for a ramming impact to the side, but the
Carthaginian Captain, being a seasoned veteran, immediately orders
the oarsmen to retract their oars and for the marines to prepare to
board! The confused crew complies, just as the Roman ship makes a
sharp turn to the left, retracting its oars and preparing to board.
The Roman plan has been foiled as Carthaginian Captain anticipated
the tactic and was correct!

With the oars retracted, the sweeping tactic is useless. The
Carthaginian Captain quickly realizes that the Roman ship is coming
alongside, which places the Roman between his ship and the island
mound. Not good odds at all for winning! The Carthaginian Captain
orders the archers to quickly launch repetitive volleys of arrows
onto the Roman deck and to keep them pinned down! The archers start
firing and the Roman marines move into a testuto formation. The
Carthaginian starboard oarsmen are now rowing and a top level pace,
which is pivoting the ship to the starboard side. In just a couple
of minutes, the Carthaginian ship has pivoted enough for the port
side oarsmen to advance their oars and begin rowing the ship out of
harms way! The Carthaginian Captain makes a fast move, attempting to
dart around the front of the Roman ship and run aground on the
island, allowing his marines to disembark and seize the trident for
the win!

But, wait! What is this!! The Roman Captain has his oarsmen rowing at
top speed and is attempting to ram the side of the Carthaginian ship
crossing in front of him!!! The Carthaginians are bracing for impact!

AndÂ…CRASH!!! The Roma ship makes contact, ramming the Carthaginian
ship in the side! The Carthaginian bireme now had a cracked hull and
water is seeping in through the side. The range was not enough for
the Roman ship to gain enough momentum to hit the Carthaginian ship
with enough force to rupture the side, but it has done enough to
cause minor disabling damage.

The Roman marines have now launched their first harpex, followed by
other grapping hooks, to the front of the port side of the
Carthaginian ship and are pulling the ship around to board it. Some
of the Carthaginians are attempting to cut the ropes, but the Roman
archers are taking them out as soon as the step up to the rail to cut
the ropes!

The ships are now side by side! The Carthaginian archers have
dispatched the Roman marines on the island without any real effort,
but the ship is not close enough to the island to make landfall. Some
of the Carthaginian marines are launching grappling hooks onto the
island, but there just isn't anything for them to latch onto!

The corvi are down and the Romans are boarding the Carthaginian
ship. The melee is unbelievable! Oarsmen are jumping ship left and
right to avoid injury from the hand-to-hand combat that is now brutal
and in progress on the deck of the Ira Hori. The fighting is intense
and continues for several minutes, until water starts coming up from
the bottom and begins to flood the ship! Some of the Roman marines
are attempting to reboard the Roman ship. This shift of weight on the
deck is causing the sinking Carthaginian ship to list to the port
side.

Several Carthaginians have made it onto the deck of the Roman ship,
but have been disarmed and detained by the Roman oarsmen!

It looks like it is all coming to an end, as the officials signal for
the rescue boats make their way out into the arena. The Carthaginian
Captain is jumping up and down on the deck, refusing to give up and
ordering his men to continue fighting!

OH NO! WHAT IS THIS!! Several Carthaginians have jumped overboard
into a rescue boat, thrown the rescue staff into the water and are
paddling fiercely towards the island to recover the Trident for the
win!

The Roman archers quickly move to eliminate the small Carthaginian
force, BUT, they raise a scutum on the stern, which prevents the
archers from hitting their targets! It looks like the Carthaginians
may win the event after all!! As they move in closer the shore, the
Roman Captain directs all means of fire onto the little rescue boat,
but it is too late, the Carthaginians have run aground on the island
and are moving to take possession of the trident!

I AM NOT BELIEVING THIS! As the Carthaginians jump out of the boat
onto the island, several of the Roman marines, who were suspected to
be lost, jump up and begin finishing off the assaulting Carthaginian
marines! The Romans were not injuredÂ…they were pretending to be
injured or dead, but were actually lying in wait in case they were
needed! The Roman Captain waves to the crowd which has just gone
ballistic with excitement! A Roman Marine grabs the trident and,
standing on the peak of the mound, raises the trident over his head
in Victory!!!

The officials signal for the Sponsors and Team Captains to make their
way to the awards ceremony. The Naumachia is officially over and the
Romans have won it!!!


Victor: The Roman ship, Constantia, sponsored by Vestal Maxima
Valeria Messallina and Factio Neptune (Veneta)

2nd Place: The Carthaginian ship, Ira Hori, sponsored by Gaia Aurelia
Falco Silvana and Factio Tanit (Praesina)



==5:00 PM ~ Closing Ceremony==

As the officials clear the dock, the team captains from today's event
disembark their boats and climb up the rope to the top of the dock.
They are saluted by the Aedilician Cohors, and Quaestor Hortensia
announces the Roman Team to be the Victors of the Naumachia! The
Roman Team Captain, Sabinus, and his sponsor, Vestal maxima Valeria
Messallina, are presented with an engraved golden bowl, depicting
naval battle scenes around the outer side. Sabinus is presented with
a gilded model Quinqireme, sporting a deep sea blue sail made from
imported silk from Damascus. Vestal Messallina is presented with a
special scroll, listing the Team Members, along with a chest filled
with denarii and golden trinkets to help offset the costs of repair
to the ship.

Himilco Gesco, Captain of the Carthaginian Team, is presented with a
special scroll, listing his crew in the Naumachia, and his sponsor,
Gaia Aurelia Falco Silvana, is also presented with a chest filled
with denarii and golden trinkets to help offset the costs of repair
to their ship as well.

The crowds are now leaving the Flavian Amphitheatre and spilling out
onto the streets. Many are going to the Forum Boarium, near the Port
Tibernius, for the evening's festivities, which include a theatrical
play by Plautus and a special musical presentation by local groups
near the Temple of Portunus, and where an elaborate feast is being
presented by the various food vendors in the city near the Temple of
Hercules Victor.


This is M. Verus Paenula, bringing you LIVE REPORTING from the
Flavian Amphitheatre and we will see you here again soon! Have a
great Ludi Megalenses!

Di vos incolumes custodiant!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56252 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Play NAUMACHIA online everyday with RAID ON SICILY ! ! !
Salvete omnes,

Thank you for attending the Naumachia this afternoon! Now, you can play
Naumachia everyday online!

I have created, or should I say modified, an online java game of the
old Battleship(™) board game, which is called "Raid on Sicily." You
can view and play the game for free at:

http://tinyurl.com/6m5u8p

I hope you enjoy it!

Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56253 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Re: De jure
Salvete omnes,

I think I'll contribute a bit to this discussion.

First, ancient Roman law was not a systematic legal
code. Its organization was chronological. The closest
bodies of documents we have that approximate ancient
Roman law are case law and (in the US) the Federal
Register (calendar and acts of the federal
government).

It was Mommsen that systematized ancient Roman law
into a codified format in order for it to be in a
format easier to study by modern legal minds and legal
historians. He did this for both constitutional law of
ancient Rome in 1871-1888 and Roman criminal law in
(1899). Many, even in academia (if it is not their
field), forget or are unaware of this fact.

Second, in terms of "constitutional law", this means
that, unlike Nova Roma, ancient Rome did not have a
constitution. What it had could probably be best
described as an inherited body of "constitutive
customs, mores, practices, and procedures" that formed
the "genealogical" or "ancestral" precedent for
subsequent law and politics. In this sense, as
Mommsen himself pointed out in his work on Roman
constitutional law, ancient Roman constitutional
law much resembled Anglo-American common law
tradition, and in fact, one could equally describe
ancient Roman constitutional law as "Tradition
constituting the inherited practices common to the
Roman people" (Mommsen).

Unfortunately, for reconstructionists like ourselves
(and also for Mommsen himself as he admits), this
means that much of the body of Roman law in its
practice and procedures was unwritten, and thus,
unrecoverable by us. It seems it was deemed as
unnecessary as codifying table manners and when to
wear a jacket and tie in our world. It was common
custom presumed to be common knowledge than needing to
be explicitly discussed, mentioned, or explained
fully. Explicit mention of bits of Roman legal
practice is almost aside a casual aside in the
discussion of something else. For example, Cicero
indirectly indicates something of Roman legal
practice when he is talking about something else
entirely, Clodia.

Second, these observations apply also to Roman
religious practices and rituals. They did not have
something like a Roman Missal. The religious rituals
were "inherited customs", which, as Mommsen, Wissowa,
and Dumézil discuss, were less discussed the more they
were familiar to everyone.

Third, as I've posted here before when posting on the
structure of Roman religious law, we know that Roman
civil law was private law. It was not public. We know
that all the laws of the empire in its two phases was
civil and thus private law. This means the best
analogy to modern times is that the empire was a
military-backed equestrian corporation somewhat like
the East Indian Bay Company.

Fourth, I mentioned a while back that there is
evidence that before the empire (and perhaps the late
Republic during the time of the dictators) that the
office of pontifex maximus, in constrast to the other
pontiffs which were lifetime appointments, was an
annual position. I also indicated that the office was
not that of high priest but sort of the press
secretary/liason between the college of pontiffs and
the king, later between the college of pontiffs and
senate. High priest was rex sacorum, followed by the
three major flamines, and fourth in rank was the
pontifex maximus. Cordus asked me to find where I had
read that, and finally, I have.

It comes out of an interesting story. It was at
Vatican I that the pope was declared the universal
sovereign of the whole church and, ex cathedra,
infallible. Ideologically, the papacy at the time was
highlighting the possession of every historical title
that ever accrued to a pope of Rome. One such title
was pontifex maximus. The pro-papacy (as universal
sovereign and infallible) party, the "Ultramontanes",
ideologically argued this was historically always the
fact because the pope was called "pontifex maximus"
and that meant he was the universal high priest to
Christendom. The controversy grows and spills over
into a debate about the nature of Roman law and Roman
religion (and Roman religious titles).

First, a group of Byzantine and patristic specialists
point out, contrary to the Ultramontane claims, that
the bishop of Rome was not always the pontifex maximus
in the Roman empire after it became Christian. The
Byzantine emperors would appoint a pontifex maximus
when there was need for a "mediator of disputes".
Sometimes it was (as seen in the Codex Theo.) the pope
of Alexandria, sometimes pope of Jerusalem, sometimes
the pope Antioch, the pope of Constantinople,
sometimes the pope of Rome, and sometimes, the emperor
himself, such as Constantine himself at the First
Council of Nicea. One time, it was another pope when
the Church, in council, excommunicated the pope of
Rome (Leo?) for heresy. Anyway, so much for
infallibility. So, they argued, pontifex maximus was
not always, in Christian times, a title of the pope of
Rome (nor were popes infallible as seen with one
excommunicated for heresy).

Second, they pointed out that in the time of the
Christian Roman empire, the office of pontifex maximus
was an annual appointment. They pointed out
that the Codex theod. gave indication that this was
how it had always been until the pagan emperors would
get the title pontifex maximus with the additional
"for life" just as they were proconsul with the added
"for life". These historians argued that the titles
were traditionally annual. The "for life" was not
traditional standard practice, and thus, for that
reason, was explicitly mentioned as such in
characteristic Roman fashion in order to point out its
extraordinary status of being "for life" even if
customary from the time of Octavian.

Third, they pointed out that in pagan Republican times
and imperial times as well as Christian times, there
were two pontifex maximuses within the same year. One
example is where the pope of Alexandria is pontifiex
maximus and the workload is such that the pope of
Constantinople is also named pontifex maximus to help
out, citing ancient pre-Christian legal precedent.

These three claims and the evidence behind them
thoroughly upset the Ultramontane party and the
Vatican. In the hope that the Ultramontane Party and
Vatican could refute these criticisms of papal
pretensions (including the papacy's view of what
pontifex maximus was in ancient Roman pagan times
-- that is, high priest for life or pagan pope --
and in Christian times, _always_ a title exclusively
belonging to the pope of Rome as an ancient sign of
his status), Theodor Mommsen (at the time the world's
expert on Roman law) was brought into the debate.
After researching the historical claims to ancient
Roman priestly titles, such as pontifex maximus, as
held by the Ultramontanes and the Vatican versus what
other scholars and historians who were specialists in
the field claimed (as summarized above), Mommsen
decided, to the utter shock of the Vatican and the
Ultramontane party, that the Vatican view was wrong,
and in fact, that much of our mistaken views of the
nature of the office of pontifex maximus in ancient
Rome was actually more a legacy of Roman Catholic
attempts to promote the papacy than historical fact.
So, Mommsen decided against the Vatican and
Ultramontanes. And that is why he joined the German
Catholic bishops that eventually broke from Rome over
the issue of Vatican I's claims about the papacy and
formed the German Old Catholic Church.

Oddly, the debate over the nature and status of the
ancient office of pontifex maximus in pagan Rome
continued in academia into the 1940s. When you
investigate the nature of the continuing debate after
Mommsen, it turns out it was basically a debate
between historians who were not enamored of papal
pretensions, and those, who were, in effect, the
intellectual heirs to the "ultramontane" views. It was
a debate between (my personal and professional
judgment here) honest non-Catholic historians and
rather dishonest Catholic historians. Wissowa and
Dumezil are two later scholars that got caught up in
Catholics trying to implausibly make the ancient
pontifix maximus look like the Roman Catholic pope.

Anyway, if interested, I'll post more on these topics
now that I found what the sources were (and where my
copies were -- somehow, they slipped behind Karl
Barth's Church Dogmatics -- which is even the wrong
bookcase).

Valete omnes



A. Sempronius Regulus

Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca


Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur. - Pliny
Ubi spiritus est cantus est. - Sempronius Atratinus

ANNI MMDCCLXI AVC





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56254 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Re: De jure
Salvete omnes,

I think I'll contribute a bit to this discussion.

First, ancient Roman law was not a systematic legal
code. Its organization was chronological. The closest
bodies of documents we have that approximate ancient
Roman law are case law and (in the US) the Federal
Register (calendar and acts of the federal
government).

It was Mommsen that systematized ancient Roman law
into a codified format in order for it to be in a
format easier to study by modern legal minds and legal
historians. He did this for both constitutional law of
ancient Rome in 1871-1888 and Roman criminal law in
(1899). Many, even in academia (if it is not their
field), forget or are unaware of this fact.

Second, in terms of "constitutional law", this means
that, unlike Nova Roma, ancient Rome did not have a
constitution. What it had could probably be best
described as an inherited body of "constitutive
customs, mores, practices, and procedures" that formed
the "genealogical" or "ancestral" precedent for
subsequent law and politics. In this sense, as
Mommsen himself pointed out in his work on Roman
constitutional law, ancient Roman constitutional
law much resembled Anglo-American common law
tradition, and in fact, one could equally describe
ancient Roman constitutional law as "Tradition
constituting the inherited practices common to the
Roman people" (Mommsen).

Unfortunately, for reconstructionists like ourselves
(and also for Mommsen himself as he admits), this
means that much of the body of Roman law in its
practice and procedures was unwritten, and thus,
unrecoverable by us. It seems it was deemed as
unnecessary as codifying table manners and when to
wear a jacket and tie in our world. It was common
custom presumed to be common knowledge than needing to
be explicitly discussed, mentioned, or explained
fully. Explicit mention of bits of Roman legal
practice is almost aside a casual aside in the
discussion of something else. For example, Cicero
indirectly indicates something of Roman legal
practice when he is talking about something else
entirely, Clodia.

Second, these observations apply also to Roman
religious practices and rituals. They did not have
something like a Roman Missal. The religious rituals
were "inherited customs", which, as Mommsen, Wissowa,
and Dumézil discuss, were less discussed the more they
were familiar to everyone.

Third, as I've posted here before when posting on the
structure of Roman religious law, we know that Roman
civil law was private law. It was not public. We know
that all the laws of the empire in its two phases was
civil and thus private law. This means the best
analogy to modern times is that the empire was a
military-backed equestrian corporation somewhat like
the East Indian Bay Company.

Fourth, I mentioned a while back that there is
evidence that before the empire (and perhaps the late
Republic during the time of the dictators) that the
office of pontifex maximus, in constrast to the other
pontiffs which were lifetime appointments, was an
annual position. I also indicated that the office was
not that of high priest but sort of the press
secretary/liason between the college of pontiffs and
the king, later between the college of pontiffs and
senate. High priest was rex sacorum, followed by the
three major flamines, and fourth in rank was the
pontifex maximus. Cordus asked me to find where I had
read that, and finally, I have.

It comes out of an interesting story. It was at
Vatican I that the pope was declared the universal
sovereign of the whole church and, ex cathedra,
infallible. Ideologically, the papacy at the time was
highlighting the possession of every historical title
that ever accrued to a pope of Rome. One such title
was pontifex maximus. The pro-papacy (as universal
sovereign and infallible) party, the "Ultramontanes",
ideologically argued this was historically always the
fact because the pope was called "pontifex maximus"
and that meant he was the universal high priest to
Christendom. The controversy grows and spills over
into a debate about the nature of Roman law and Roman
religion (and Roman religious titles).

First, a group of Byzantine and patristic specialists
point out, contrary to the Ultramontane claims, that
the bishop of Rome was not always the pontifex maximus
in the Roman empire after it became Christian. The
Byzantine emperors would appoint a pontifex maximus
when there was need for a "mediator of disputes".
Sometimes it was (as seen in the Codex Theo.) the pope
of Alexandria, sometimes pope of Jerusalem, sometimes
the pope Antioch, the pope of Constantinople,
sometimes the pope of Rome, and sometimes, the emperor
himself, such as Constantine himself at the First
Council of Nicea. One time, it was another pope when
the Church, in council, excommunicated the pope of
Rome (Leo?) for heresy. Anyway, so much for
infallibility. So, they argued, pontifex maximus was
not always, in Christian times, a title of the pope of
Rome (nor were popes infallible as seen with one
excommunicated for heresy).

Second, they pointed out that in the time of the
Christian Roman empire, the office of pontifex maximus
was an annual appointment. They pointed out
that the Codex theod. gave indication that this was
how it had always been until the pagan emperors would
get the title pontifex maximus with the additional
"for life" just as they were proconsul with the added
"for life". These historians argued that the titles
were traditionally annual. The "for life" was not
traditional standard practice, and thus, for that
reason, was explicitly mentioned as such in
characteristic Roman fashion in order to point out its
extraordinary status of being "for life" even if
customary from the time of Octavian.

Third, they pointed out that in pagan Republican times
and imperial times as well as Christian times, there
were two pontifex maximuses within the same year. One
example is where the pope of Alexandria is pontifiex
maximus and the workload is such that the pope of
Constantinople is also named pontifex maximus to help
out, citing ancient pre-Christian legal precedent.

These three claims and the evidence behind them
thoroughly upset the Ultramontane party and the
Vatican. In the hope that the Ultramontane Party and
Vatican could refute these criticisms of papal
pretensions (including the papacy's view of what
pontifex maximus was in ancient Roman pagan times
-- that is, high priest for life or pagan pope --
and in Christian times, _always_ a title exclusively
belonging to the pope of Rome as an ancient sign of
his status), Theodor Mommsen (at the time the world's
expert on Roman law) was brought into the debate.
After researching the historical claims to ancient
Roman priestly titles, such as pontifex maximus, as
held by the Ultramontanes and the Vatican versus what
other scholars and historians who were specialists in
the field claimed (as summarized above), Mommsen
decided, to the utter shock of the Vatican and the
Ultramontane party, that the Vatican view was wrong,
and in fact, that much of our mistaken views of the
nature of the office of pontifex maximus in ancient
Rome was actually more a legacy of Roman Catholic
attempts to promote the papacy than historical fact.
So, Mommsen decided against the Vatican and
Ultramontanes. And that is why he joined the German
Catholic bishops that eventually broke from Rome over
the issue of Vatican I's claims about the papacy and
formed the German Old Catholic Church.

Oddly, the debate over the nature and status of the
ancient office of pontifex maximus in pagan Rome
continued in academia into the 1940s. When you
investigate the nature of the continuing debate after
Mommsen, it turns out it was basically a debate
between historians who were not enamored of papal
pretensions, and those, who were, in effect, the
intellectual heirs to the "ultramontane" views. It was
a debate between (my personal and professional
judgment here) honest non-Catholic historians and
rather dishonest Catholic historians. Wissowa and
Dumezil are two later scholars that got caught up in
Catholics trying to implausibly make the ancient
pontifix maximus look like the Roman Catholic pope.

Anyway, if interested, I'll post more on these topics
now that I found what the sources were (and where my
copies were -- somehow, they slipped behind Karl
Barth's Church Dogmatics -- which is even the wrong
bookcase).

Valete omnes






A. Sempronius Regulus

Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca


Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur. - Pliny
Ubi spiritus est cantus est. - Sempronius Atratinus

ANNI MMDCCLXI AVC





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56255 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Charioteers: Using Sesterces for Defenses and Dirty Actions
Salvete omnes,

Several questions have been asked about the Defenses and Dirty
Actions functions of the Ludi Circenses regulations, so I will
attempt to clarify how this all works.

First, this year no one has used them so far, so everyone who has
competed in either the Equirria Horse Race or the Conditorum
Circenses, has 100 virtual sesterces to play with.

In each Horse or Chariot Race, a contestant will recieve 100 vitual
sesterces, which may be used to purchase "insurance against"
or "increase the odds" of dirty actions against another player. These
sesterces may be used in any round of any race, accumulated from race
to race, or accumulated from other entertainments (e.g., official-
sponsored wagering on munera).

The available balance of sesterces for an entrant is listed in the
above Series I table under the heading of "Ses". Any new entries will
have 100 sesterces available for their first race, and all updated
available balances will be posted above after each Ludi.

These sesterces are not redeemable in Nova Roman or any other
currency and may not be used outside the ways specified in this
edictum. The Aediles Curules shall record the number of sesterces
held and expended by each entrant and their computations shall be
final and unappealable. The sesterces may be expended in any of the
following ways:

DEFENSE:

Individual Defense: Application of one hundred sesterces by any
entrant to defense of his/her driver and chariot will render the
driver and chariot immune for one round in the ludi;

Factio Defense: Entrants from the same factio may pool their
sesterces in a round to defend against the other factiones; for every
one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of success of a dirty action
against the defending factio is reduced by 5% in that round.

DIRTY ACTIONS:

Assassination of the driver of a rival factio: The entrant must
specify which factio he/she attacks. The base chance of success is
30%. If the attempt fails it is is discovered and the name of the
entrant who commissioned the assassination and those who contributed
sesterces in support of the assassination will be announced and
subject to disciplinary action by the Aediles Curules. Such
disciplinary action may include disqualification from the current
ludi, banning from future ludi for a specified period of time, or
banning from participation in the ludi for the remainder of the year.
The decision of the Aediles Curules in such matters is final,
irregardless of whether the race was held by the Curule or Plebian
Aediles. If the attempt is successful, the player with the murdered
driver cannot take part in the race and the murderer remains
undiscovered.

Sabotage of a chariot: The entrant must specify which factio he/she
attacks. The base chance is 45%. If the attempt is unsuccessful, it
is discovered and the name of the entrant who commissioned the
assassination and those who contributed sesterces in support of the
sabotage will be announced and subject to disciplinary action by the
Aediles Curules. Such disciplinary action may include
disqualification from the current ludi, banning from future ludi for
a specified period of time, or banning from participation in the ludi
for the remainder of the year. The decision of the Aediles Curules in
such matters is final, irregardless of whether the race was held by
the Curule or Plebian Aediles. If the attempt is successful, the
player with the broken chariot will have an accident in the race.

Factio Offence: Entrants from the same factio may pool their
sesterces in a round against another factio; for every one hundred
sesterces pooled, the chance of success of a dirty action against the
targeted factio is increased by 5% in that round.


Currently, I have added a "current available balance" section to the
Series I Table on the Ludi Circenses Championship Page at:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_circenses_championship

This is the "Ses" heading.

If there is enough interest expressed, then I will further develop
this function to include virtual wagering, as per the Regulae
ludorum, to allow for additional balance increases (or deductions,
depending on the betting skill and outcome of the dice).

Also, there are a couple of racing software tools, which I have
developed to assist you if you are a staff member running a race or
just an individual group who would like to hold your own private
race. They are:


Virtual Racing Assistant v1.0 ~ Dice and statistics program to assist
with virtual Ludi racing:
http://www.plutusonline.com/nr/vra.html


Virtual Racing Assistant Support File ~ Virtual Racing Assistant MS
Excel Support Table (to be used with VRA above):
http://www.plutusonline.com/nr/vra.xls


If you have any questions about any of this, please feel free to
email me at: lucius_vitellius_triarius at yahoo dot com

I hope this has helped!

Valete optime,
Triarius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56256 From: M. Martianius Lupus Date: 2008-04-08
Subject: Re: Charioteers: Using Sesterces for Defenses and Dirty Actions
Salve Triari.

Gratias tibi ago! for this further explanation of the Circenses
Rules. It helps me to understand the chariot races more. I also want
to thank the wiki editors for the revisions they've made to the Ludi
Circenses Championship tables.

Vale.
Lupus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Vitellius Triarius"
<lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Several questions have been asked about the Defenses and Dirty
> Actions functions of the Ludi Circenses regulations, so I will
> attempt to clarify how this all works.
>
> First, this year no one has used them so far, so everyone who has
> competed in either the Equirria Horse Race or the Conditorum
> Circenses, has 100 virtual sesterces to play with.
>
> In each Horse or Chariot Race, a contestant will recieve 100 vitual
> sesterces, which may be used to purchase "insurance against"
> or "increase the odds" of dirty actions against another player. These
> sesterces may be used in any round of any race, accumulated from race
> to race, or accumulated from other entertainments (e.g., official-
> sponsored wagering on munera).
>
> The available balance of sesterces for an entrant is listed in the
> above Series I table under the heading of "Ses". Any new entries will
> have 100 sesterces available for their first race, and all updated
> available balances will be posted above after each Ludi.
>
> These sesterces are not redeemable in Nova Roman or any other
> currency and may not be used outside the ways specified in this
> edictum. The Aediles Curules shall record the number of sesterces
> held and expended by each entrant and their computations shall be
> final and unappealable. The sesterces may be expended in any of the
> following ways:
>
> DEFENSE:
>
> Individual Defense: Application of one hundred sesterces by any
> entrant to defense of his/her driver and chariot will render the
> driver and chariot immune for one round in the ludi;
>
> Factio Defense: Entrants from the same factio may pool their
> sesterces in a round to defend against the other factiones; for every
> one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of success of a dirty action
> against the defending factio is reduced by 5% in that round.
>
> DIRTY ACTIONS:
>
> Assassination of the driver of a rival factio: The entrant must
> specify which factio he/she attacks. The base chance of success is
> 30%. If the attempt fails it is is discovered and the name of the
> entrant who commissioned the assassination and those who contributed
> sesterces in support of the assassination will be announced and
> subject to disciplinary action by the Aediles Curules. Such
> disciplinary action may include disqualification from the current
> ludi, banning from future ludi for a specified period of time, or
> banning from participation in the ludi for the remainder of the year.
> The decision of the Aediles Curules in such matters is final,
> irregardless of whether the race was held by the Curule or Plebian
> Aediles. If the attempt is successful, the player with the murdered
> driver cannot take part in the race and the murderer remains
> undiscovered.
>
> Sabotage of a chariot: The entrant must specify which factio he/she
> attacks. The base chance is 45%. If the attempt is unsuccessful, it
> is discovered and the name of the entrant who commissioned the
> assassination and those who contributed sesterces in support of the
> sabotage will be announced and subject to disciplinary action by the
> Aediles Curules. Such disciplinary action may include
> disqualification from the current ludi, banning from future ludi for
> a specified period of time, or banning from participation in the ludi
> for the remainder of the year. The decision of the Aediles Curules in
> such matters is final, irregardless of whether the race was held by
> the Curule or Plebian Aediles. If the attempt is successful, the
> player with the broken chariot will have an accident in the race.
>
> Factio Offence: Entrants from the same factio may pool their
> sesterces in a round against another factio; for every one hundred
> sesterces pooled, the chance of success of a dirty action against the
> targeted factio is increased by 5% in that round.
>
>
> Currently, I have added a "current available balance" section to the
> Series I Table on the Ludi Circenses Championship Page at:
>
> http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_circenses_championship
>
> This is the "Ses" heading.
>
> If there is enough interest expressed, then I will further develop
> this function to include virtual wagering, as per the Regulae
> ludorum, to allow for additional balance increases (or deductions,
> depending on the betting skill and outcome of the dice).
>
> Also, there are a couple of racing software tools, which I have
> developed to assist you if you are a staff member running a race or
> just an individual group who would like to hold your own private
> race. They are:
>
>
> Virtual Racing Assistant v1.0 ~ Dice and statistics program to assist
> with virtual Ludi racing:
> http://www.plutusonline.com/nr/vra.html
>
>
> Virtual Racing Assistant Support File ~ Virtual Racing Assistant MS
> Excel Support Table (to be used with VRA above):
> http://www.plutusonline.com/nr/vra.xls
>
>
> If you have any questions about any of this, please feel free to
> email me at: lucius_vitellius_triarius at yahoo dot com
>
> I hope this has helped!
>
> Valete optime,
> Triarius
>
> =================================================
> L•VITELLIVS•TRIARIVS
> AKA•CHIP•HATCHER
> CIVIS•ROMANVS•NOVƕROMÆ
>
> CAMILLVS•PONTIFEX•ET•FLAMEN•F•G•A
> QVÆSTOR•ÆDILITAS•CVRVLIS•P•M•A
> PRÆFECTVS•REGIO•TANASIVM•PROV•AM•AVSTRORIENTALIS
> DIENEKES•ARKHON•SODALITAS•GRÆCIÆ
> =================================================
>
> Aventine Hill, IX Via Ostiensis
>
> "A•POSSE•AD•ESSE" (From Possibility to Actuality)
>
> "Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu."
> "The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live."
> ~ L. Annaeus Seneca
>
> Join Mons Aventinus, the Nova Roma Online Community TODAY:
> http://monsaventinus.wikia.com ~ "Bringing all Romans together online"
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56257 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-09
Subject: REDS! REDS! REDS! Join the REDS! REDS! REDS!
LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS!

Cn. Lentulus, dominus Factionis Russatae omnibus sal.



Red supporters! Funs of the glorious Factio Russata!



Join the official mailing list of the Factio:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Factio_Russata/


- You are a Red?
- And you did not even join the Factio list?
- Then you aren't a Red!!! :-P


Hurry up!

Real Reds join the Factio Russata mailing list:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Factio_Russata/



LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Dominus Factionis Russatae


Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
La casella di posta intelligente.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56258 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-09
Subject: MEGALESIA: Adrian, a Play by Terence
Salvete omnes,

Today, we present you with a play from the Roman comedic playwright,
Terence.

Andria (English: The Girl from Andros) is a comedy by Terence, a
Roman playwright. It was Terence's first play, and he wrote it when
he was approximately 19 years old. Terence adapted through
translation from Menander's play, although as he is at pains to point
out in his prologue he goes beyond mere translation. It was first
performed at the Ludi Megalenses in Rome, about 170 BC. It was also
the first of his plays to be performed post-antiquity, in Florence in
1476.

Visit our Play Page on the NR Wiki at:

http://tinyurl.com/4q4zjp

We hope you enjoy!


Valete optime,

L. Vitellius Triarius

for:

M. Hortensia Maior, quaestor et editor
Sex. Lucilius Tutor, aed. cur.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56259 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-09
Subject: MEGALESIA: Plautus Certamen Historicum - Day 2
Salvete omnes,

Here is the second set of questions for the Certamen Historicum of the
Megalesia on the Roman Playwright, Plautus.

The Certamen will be two days with 15 questions each day. Answers may
be submitted before Midnight, Rome time, on April 10th. Answers and
awards will be announced on April 15th.

The top three contestants will be awarded a Ludi Cultural Competition
medal for their efforts.

Send your answers to: lucius_vitellius_triarius@...


****************************************************

DAY 2 QUESTIONS

16. What were Plautus' three favorite themes or subjects?

17. According to Plautus, what were the three purposes he always had
in his prologues?

18. What style of plays did Plautus write?

19. What is Plautus' view on politics?

20. How does location in his plays differ between Plautus and Terence?

21. Of his reputation, Varro says what concerning the Muses?

22. What did Horace and the court of Augustus have in common in
regards to Plautus and his works?

23. How did the plays of Aristophanes differ from the plays of
Plautus in writing style?

24. Which Stephen Sondheim play is a combination of several plays by
Plautus?

25. Where did Plautus first learn about Greek New Comedy and the
plays of Menander?

26. What did Cicero, Aulus Gellius, Varro, and Quintilian think of
Plautus?

27. Why were the plays of Terence not as popular with the Roman
people as those of Plautus?

28. Name 15 of Plautus' plays which have survived.

29. Where and when was Terence born and how did his age differ from
Plautus?

30. When and where did Plautus die?

****************************************************

Thanks and good hunting!

Valete optime,
Triarius

For:

M. Hortensia Maior, Quaestor et Editor
Sex. Lucilius Tutor, Aed. Cur.


You may also view the Megalesia and Event Pages at:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_2761_AUC_%28Nova_Roma%29
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56260 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-09
Subject: GO BLUES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Salve Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

BETTER TO BE DEAD THAN RED

And if we find your men around Factio Veneta stables again this is just
what will happen : )

GO BLUES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Join us here at Factio Veneta
http://novaroma.org/nr/Factio_Veneta_%28Nova_Roma%29

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


>From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: New Roman ML <newroman@yahoogroups.com>, Nova Roma ML
><nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] REDS! REDS! REDS! Join the REDS! REDS! REDS!
>Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:40:24 +0200 (CEST)
>
>LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO REDS! REDS!
>REDS!
>
>Cn. Lentulus, dominus Factionis Russatae omnibus sal.
>
>
>
>Red supporters! Funs of the glorious Factio Russata!
>
>
>
>Join the official mailing list of the Factio:
>
>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Factio_Russata/
>
>
>- You are a Red?
>- And you did not even join the Factio list?
>- Then you aren't a Red!!! :-P
>
>
>Hurry up!
>
>Real Reds join the Factio Russata mailing list:
>
>http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Factio_Russata/
>
>
>
>LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO REDS! REDS!
>REDS!
>
>Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
>Dominus Factionis Russatae
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
>La casella di posta intelligente.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56261 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-04-09
Subject: 4/12/2008 CE - Cerelia in Beloit, WI, USA
Avete Omnes;

I got this notice on one of my other lists:

On Saturday, April 12, at 11 am, Selena Fox of Circle Sanctuary will
be opening the Cerelia Festival at Beloit College with a public
blessing of pets and animal companions.

The Cerelia Festival, the Ludi Cereales, is being held at the Wright
Museum of Art on campus and includes a variety of activities
celebrating Ancient Mediterranean cultures and the conservation of the
historic Fisher Collection of Greek and roman casts at Beloit College.
The Cerelia Festival was begun by Augustus Ceasar 2000 years ago in
honor of Ceres, the ancient Roman Goddess of grain and springtime.
Circle Sanctuary Community members Dave and Sylvia Linton will also be
helping with the festivities.

Wright Museum of Art is located at 700 College Street in Beloit,
Wisconsin. The pet blessing and other festival activities are free
and open to the public. Bring your animal friends for the blessing!

See article about the festival --
ttp://www.beloitdailynews.com/articles/2008/04/01/news/news02.txt.

More info about the festival: http://www.beloit.edu or contact the
Wright Museum of Art at museum@...; 608-363-2151.

from: Circle Times: Wednesday, April 9, 2008

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/stefnullarsson
http://ullarsskald01.Writing.Com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56262 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Re: 4/12/2008 CE - Cerelia in Beloit, WI, USA
Salvete,

Is anyone going to be there from NR? This would be a very good
opportunity to have a booth and handout some literature. Just, make
sure the cheese is WHITE and not yellow...LOL!

Valete optime,
Triarius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stefn Ullerius Venator
Piperbarbus" <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Avete Omnes;
>
> I got this notice on one of my other lists:
>
> On Saturday, April 12, at 11 am, Selena Fox of Circle Sanctuary will
> be opening the Cerelia Festival at Beloit College with a public
> blessing of pets and animal companions.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56263 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Re: GO BLUES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAAHHH!!! I finally get to race my chariots!

Dodge the wall and watch the track,
Don't fall behind the Blues!
Crack your whip and don't look back,
For if you snooze, you'll lose!

Vale optime,
Triarius

GO BLUES!!!!


QUAESTORIAL DISCLAIMER:

The Domus of Vitellia Triaria has no official influence or official
participation that will affect the outcome of the Cerialia Ludi
Circenses hosted by the Plebeian Aedile...

SO I'M RACIN'!!!



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
>
> BETTER TO BE DEAD THAN RED
>
> And if we find your men around Factio Veneta stables again this is
just
> what will happen : )
>
> GO BLUES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Join us here at Factio Veneta
> http://novaroma.org/nr/Factio_Veneta_%28Nova_Roma%29
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
> >From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >To: New Roman ML <newroman@yahoogroups.com>, Nova Roma ML
> ><nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [Nova-Roma] REDS! REDS! REDS! Join the REDS! REDS! REDS!
> >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:40:24 +0200 (CEST)
> >
> >LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO
REDS! REDS!
> >REDS!
> >
> >Cn. Lentulus, dominus Factionis Russatae omnibus sal.
> >
> >
> >
> >Red supporters! Funs of the glorious Factio Russata!
> >
> >
> >
> >Join the official mailing list of the Factio:
> >
> >http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Factio_Russata/
> >
> >
> >- You are a Red?
> >- And you did not even join the Factio list?
> >- Then you aren't a Red!!! :-P
> >
> >
> >Hurry up!
> >
> >Real Reds join the Factio Russata mailing list:
> >
> >http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Factio_Russata/
> >
> >
> >
> >LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO REDS! REDS! REDS! LET'S GO
REDS! REDS!
> >REDS!
> >
> >Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
> >Dominus Factionis Russatae
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
> >La casella di posta intelligente.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56264 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Roman calendar, 4/10/2008, 12:00 pm
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Roman calendar
 
Date:   Thursday April 10, 2008
Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
Notes:   To get a simple Roman calendar with Religio Romana holidays listed by daily e-mail, send a message to fasti-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
 
Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56265 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Re: Visit the MEGALESIA Wiki Page Today!
Salvete,
 
My thanks and congratulations to all who have put on the Naumachia, and to Gaia Aurelia Falco Silvana, sponsor of the Carthaginian Team, organized by the Factio Praesina, for a thrilling naval battle that kept me on the edge of my seat! Neptune was indeed kind to our factio.
This was almost as exciting as chariot racing! (Except I got my stola all wet from the splashing water, but what the hey!)
 
Valete bene in pace Deorum,
 
Maxima Valeria Messallina
Domina Factio Venetae
Go Blues! 

"L. Vitellius Triarius" <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:
Salvete,

To view the current celebrations for the Megalesia/Ludi Megalenses,
please visit the following page:

http://novaroma. org/nr/Ludi_ Megalenses_ 2761_AUC_ %28Nova_Roma% 29

We hope you enjoy the festivities!

Valete optime,

L. Vitellius Triarius
Quaestor
Aedilitas Curulis

For:

Editor et Quaestor M. Hortensia Maior
Aed. Cur. Sex. Lucilius Tutor


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56266 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: MEGALESIA - Magna Mater Project.
SALVETE!

Megalesia is a great event and good opportunity to remind you,
quirites, about Magna Mater Project.
Magna Mater Project started six years ago based by an idea of
Senator K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus.
In all that six years the project was coordinated by our aediles
curules. Under theirs fine dedication the project was developed step
by step. Franciscus Apulus Caesar, M. Iulius Perusianus, L. Iulius
Sulla were project coordinators during the time.
Near them, members of Magna Mater Collegium as Pompeia Minucia
Tiberia, Cn. Equitius Marinus, C. Curius Saturninus, M. Lucretius
Agricola and M. Moravius Piscinus contributed in various areas of
the project: the website itself, Latin inscriptions about Magna
Mater around the roman world, DVD about Magna Mater, promotional and
many other. The history of the project is presented to this page:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Magna_Mater_Project

To the same page are presented the "frequent asked questions", which
in essence represents an explanation of the project objective.

This year a new team will take care about the project. I talk about
the aedilis curulis P. Memmius Albucius team which is composed of,
among many others, L. Vitellius Triarius, C. Marcius Crispus and Q.
Valerius Poplicola. A new year, a new team and a good starting! This
year team decided to continue with what was proposed in the past
years and to bring its own contribution.

An important moment for the project is represented by this year Nova
Roma Conventus organized in Dacia because there, a part of one day
of the international meeting, is reserved to discussions about the
project future and development.

I want to point out, quirites, that all what was done and will be
done, in connection with the project, was and is possible because
your dedication, too. In all these years, you were near us,
contributing to the project financial development. Yours donations
sustained it and give us, the project coordinators, the hope that
all objectives will be accomplished.
I want to thank you for that. The donators' names are presented on
the investors page of the Magna Mater website:

http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/home.php

This year the project investors are:
- C. Marcius Crispus.
- Annia Minucia Marcella.
- Ti. Antonius Romulus.
- Equestria Iunia Laeca.
- Christopher Volpe.

If you want to add your name near all project investors we want to
thank you in advance. The project support page is at this address:

http://www.magnamaterproject.org/en/project/support.htm

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56267 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Reminder: Rudimenta Latina ready for boarding!
Reminder:  Rudimenta Latina ready for boarding! A. Tullia Scholastica omnibus S.P.D.

    The third and last run of the Rudimenta Latina class for this academic year will begin on Monday, April 14th.  Registration normally closes on the first day of class, so if you wish to register for this course, you must do so before then.  Students already registered with the Academia Thules need only locate the course in question and register there, but those who are not registered with the Academia must do so and get a password from Saturninus.  

    This is a nine-week book course requiring the purchase and reading of a textbook, posting to the class website at fixed intervals, and submission of a final examination based on the textbook; there are no lectures, though additional materials for the course are onsite.  Please note that this is a very elementary course, open to everyone, whether or not one has studied Latin.  It deals with the history and nature of Latin rather than teaches Latin as a language, and is recommended for those who will later study one of our Latin language courses at the Academia Thules, especially for those who may have had Latin in the past but grown a bit rusty over the years or who simply wish to learn a bit about Latin before embarking on an actual language course.  

Valete.  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56268 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Re: GO BLUES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah-ha! The old hang-around-the-stables-and-see-what-those-Blues-are-up-to trick! Fortunately, Paulinus has foiled their plot! And he has posted our Factio addy so everyone can join Veneta! Well done, Paulinus, and thank you! 

*Sends out muscle-men, Maximus and Lucius, to guard the Veneta stables.* (LOL)

Join Veneta today! Go Blues!

Maxima Valeria Messallina

<<"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...> wrote:

 Salve Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
 
BETTER TO BE DEAD THAN RED
 
And if we find your men around Factio Veneta stables again this is just  what will happen : )

GO BLUES !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 Join us here at Factio Veneta
 http://novaroma.org/nr/Factio_Veneta_%28Nova_Roma%29
 
Vale 
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus>>

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56269 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: MEGALESIA - CLOSING ceremony
Albucius aed. omnibus s.d.

[The following closing ceremony has begun on the Palatine, towards
Magna Mater Temple, at 11:45 pm Rome time, on this Apr. 10th.. Aed.
cur. Memmius was there with by his side Q. Iulia Caesar Magna Mater
sacerdos, the Magna Mater Project members such as Consul T. Iulius
Sabinus, Princeps Senatus C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus, Censorius
Marinus or Consulis F. Apulus Caesar, Qu. Hortensia the organizer of
Megalesia and her colleague Vitellius, who has given a serious help
to her, and with all the available members of the aedilitas. The most
important personalities in Nova Roma were naturally there, a few
paces beside, towards all the attendants. Memmius said then:]


"Quirites !

Here are ending our Megalesia!

All along her festival, our Magna Dea has protected Rome and the
events that our curule aedilitas has organized. She has given
strenght enough to Quaestor Hortensia, that I thank so much, to
organize, with her colleague Qu. Vitellius's help, these days, so
important for us.

For it is a time for remembering the hard times that Rome has lived
and, thanks to Magna Mater, that our city has escaped from the Punic
threat. Our old Gods have been good enough to understand the whole
help that they could receive from a venerable Asian goddess, whose
wisdom and force had materialized in a raw and however beautiful
stone. Only Magna Mater could be generous enough to accept to move
her home in a city where lived yet our ancient Gods. Only Rome could
be humble enough to accept every divine help, whereever it came from.
And this country, it was the land of Rome's ancestors, the country
behind the beaches where our Elders left Troy, the mount Ida.

Our Megalesia are over, and this year again, Magna Mater has been
well helped by Minerva and Mens. Our most clever champions have
fought, our people has rushed in the theaters and odeons. Our poets
and actors have given their best to honor the Dea and the City. And
we had even a Naumachia, thanks to our Vitellius!

Have now fun, Quirites, as long as the darkness embraces our walls,
our fora ! The coming dawn will announce another day, which will tell
us that spring is getting adult and that our Magna Mater will be
allowed to take some rest before Ceres, under the prayers of my
colleague Plebis aediles, come to us to help Rome have good harvests
this summer and beautiful children in the winter. Ludi Ceriales are
close, Quirites!

If I had wished to stay in the shadow, in order to let my young
colleague Lucilius break his first lances for our Megalesia, the Gods
and our Magna Mater have sure been angry and grasped the collar of my
toga to bring me towards you, during these two opening and closing
ceremonies. For you know yet that my colleague has not been able
being before you today, tonight. So this is not without confusion,
and asking you to forgive my collega for his unavailability, that I
am among you here and now.

But it is also with a real pleasure! I can see your smiles, at
torchlight, I can see all the aedilitas cohors members who have
proposed to give a hand to our Megalenses, specially when aware of my
collega's difficulties. I can see them tired, but satisfied. This is
already the third Ludi they work on in two months! Who would have
told it a few months ago ? So let me thank them very sincerely.

Thanks last to Consul Sabinus, who reminded all of you that Magna
Mater still needs you to see her Project go ahead, beyond the first
steps that had been built in the previous years. Thanks to Princeps
Quintilianus, Censorius Marinus and Consulis Caesar for their support
and involvment!

[Aed. Memmius turn back to the shrine before the Temple and says:]

O Mater, ô Magna Dea ! With Q. Iulia Caesar sacerdos, we have
sacrified to you after sunset, in the secrecy of your temple. The
sacrifices were good.
You may rest now. Keep on watching on us, along with Dea Roma, the
Genius of our Urbs, with all our Gods and Goddesses. Watch on Rome,
this Nova Roma re-founded again, ten years ago, by the adults who go
on building our Roman republic. And watch overall on our children, on
our babies, on our women, in this time of spring and recovering!"

[End of the closing ceremony, at 0:25 pm Rome time, on this April
11th, 2761 auc]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56270 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: MEGALESIA Magna Mater Certamen Results
Salvete omnes,

The results of the Megalesia Magna Mater Certamen Historicum are as
follows:

1st Place: Marcus Martialis Lupus ~ 37 Points

2nd Place: Gaia Aurelia Falco Silvana ~ 33 Points

Lupus is presented with a gold Ludi Cultural Competition Medal w/
neck ribbon.

Silvana is presented with a silver Ludi Cultural Competition Medal w/
neck ribbon.

Thank You Both for playing!

The answers to the certamen are posted along with the questions at:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Megalenses_2761_AUC_%28Nova_Roma%
29/MM_Certamen


Valete optime,
Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56271 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-10
Subject: Re: MEGALESIA Magna Mater Certamen Results: CORRECTION
Salvete,


Spell check got me again:

"1st Place: Marcus Martialis Lupus ~ 37 Points"

should have read:

"1st Place: Marcus Martianius Lupus ~ 37 Points"

My sincere apology, Lupus!


Vale optime,
Triarius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56272 From: M. Martianius Lupus Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Re: MEGALESIA Magna Mater Certamen Results: CORRECTION
Salve Triari,

Not a problem, mi amice, apology accepted.

I've recently had my own meeting with that vile Spell Checker! Forgot
to turn off all those "automatic correction" effects that Mr. Gates
thinks we need. I reformated my computer and reinstalled software
last month. I was surprised when Magistra Scholastica returned my
last set of Latin homework -- indicating I had mispelled a number of
words had which mysteriously mutated by themselves. For example,
"artium" had become 'atrium' and "familiis", 'familiars', etc.

I had a good belly laugh when I realized that the autocorrect had been
on, and it was changing my words. The evil spell checker strikes again!

Optime vale!
Lupus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Vitellius Triarius"
<lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
>
> Spell check got me again:
>
> "1st Place: Marcus Martialis Lupus ~ 37 Points"
>
> should have read:
>
> "1st Place: Marcus Martianius Lupus ~ 37 Points"
>
> My sincere apology, Lupus!
>
>
> Vale optime,
> Triarius
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56273 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Re: MEGALESIA Magna Mater Certamen Results: CORRECTION
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: MEGALESIA  Magna Mater Certamen Results: CORRECTION
A. Tullia Scholastica M. Martianio Lupo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salve Triari,

Not a problem, mi amice, apology accepted.

I've recently had my own meeting with that vile Spell Checker!  Forgot
to turn off all those "automatic correction" effects that Mr. Gates
thinks we need.  

    ATS:  Maybe he can’t spell, only collect pecuniam.  


I reformated my computer and reinstalled software
last month.  I was surprised when Magistra Scholastica returned my
last set of Latin homework -- indicating I had mispelled a number of
words had which mysteriously mutated by themselves.  

    ATS:  So THAT’s what did it!  Mine has SUCH trouble with Latin, and thinks that et means extraterrestrial, not and, and that est means Eastern Standard Time, not he/she/it is...fortunately my version of these programs merely underlines what it thinks are mistakes, and rarely mutates them...and when it does, it is usually right.  It does seem to be among the trainable MR, however, for it seems to ignore forms which occur in my paradigm tables...which I have informed it are perfectly fine.  Et and est, however, are firmly entrenched as incorrect forms in its brilliant mind.  


For example,
"artium" had become 'atrium' and "familiis", 'familiars', etc.

    ATS:  Did I miss that last one?  Dear, dear.  Must correct homework before four am.  

I had a good belly laugh when I realized that the autocorrect had been
on, and it was changing my words.  The evil spell checker strikes again!

    ATS:  Tis indeed a vicious thing, like unto the pensa gadget in its lack of mercy...

Optime vale!
Lupus

Et tu, et omnes bonae voluntatis!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "L. Vitellius Triarius"
<lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
>
> Spell check got me again:
>
> "1st Place: Marcus Martialis Lupus ~ 37 Points"
>
> should have read:
>
> "1st Place: Marcus Martianius Lupus ~ 37 Points"
>
> My sincere apology, Lupus!
>
>
> Vale optime,
> Triarius
>

 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56274 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Re: Visit the MEGALESIA Wiki Page Today!
C. Aurelia Falco Silvana M. Valeriae Messalinae omnibusque civibus SPD.

Yes indeed--those crafty, wily Romans lying on the earthen mound,
plugged full of arrows from the earlier skirmishing . . . who would
have thought they were still alive?

Our marvelously inter-ethnic Carthaginian team proved they had
gumption, you must admit, right down to hijacking the rescue boat to
use as an assault craft. The team has been well rewarded for their
persistence and ingenuity. The owner thanks the Aediles for the
consolation prize, which will go to refitting the Ira Hori for our
next battle.

It was rather embarrassing to be a fleet of one. Himilco Gesco's
skills were under-used. May the Gods grant valor and finances to
others, so that each side may float enough ships to be worthy of the
name "fleet" when next we meet.

A note to the long-suffering populace: I really had not intended
that you endure the entire length of the information sent to the
Aediles. I had assumed that "elements" of the description would be
used.

However, I hope those cives who preferred to watch rather than
participate, found some ideas for background research. These Ludi
events are much more forgiving than essays and such, but they still
turn up a lot of points to investigate.

EXAMPLES:
1. Hey, we have a Carthaginian captain. He can't be a Vitellius or a
Julius or anything else Roman. What kind of names did the
Carthaginians have anyway? (Interestingly, it seems that family names
were commonly 2 syllables -- Barca, Gesco, etc.; given names were
commonly 3 syllables -- Hannibal, Hasdrubal, Himilco, etc.)

2. OK, we're a Carthaginian bireme. The Romans copied them. But
let's try to find out what the originals were like. SURPRISE! This
was the first I'd ever heard of ancient ships using four steering
oars: bow oars, and scull oars at the stern. (Modern ships, and
especially space ships, copy this with maneuvering jets.) Also
fascinating: the massive steering oars doing double duty as rams.

3. Figure out the crew, willya? Carthaginian? Not likely, as it
turned out. Pinning down the year of the battle and tracking back to
Carthaginian history, unearthed the internal rebellion which rocked
Carthage. The connections to Greeks fleeing the defeat of Pyrrhus,
Carthage's exploitation of silver mines in Spain, and its colonies on
the "other" Mediterranean islands are all things I NEVER KNEW BEFORE.

A FEW OF THE LINKS I USED:
Carthage
http://www.livius.org/cao-caz/carthage/carthage.html

GAMERS TAKE NOTE!!!Wildlfire Games: The Army of Carthage
http://wildfiregames.com/0ad/page.php?p=1553

Phoenician Colonies
http://phoenicia.org/colonies.html

Phoenician ships
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/2587/ships.html

Carthage: The Truceless War
http://www.unrv.com/empire/truceless-war.php

Channel 14: Carthage, a lost empire
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/C/carthage/find_out_more.html

Himilco, at Livius.org
http://www.livius.org/hi-hn/himilco/himilco.html

Pyrrhus, the fool of hope
http://www.e-classics.com/pyrrhus.htm

Encyclopedia Phoeniciana
http://phoenicia.org/index.shtml





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina
<violetphearsen@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> My thanks and congratulations to all who have put on the
Naumachia, and to Gaia Aurelia Falco Silvana, sponsor of the
Carthaginian Team, organized by the Factio Praesina, for a thrilling
naval battle that kept me on the edge of my seat! Neptune was indeed
kind to our factio.
> This was almost as exciting as chariot racing! (Except I got my
stola all wet from the splashing water, but what the hey!)
>
> Valete bene in pace Deorum,
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Domina Factio Venetae
> Go Blues!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56275 From: GUY STORY Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Re - Help!
Salvete Omnes
I am a new member to the group, and am 3 days into my probation. However, could any worthy citizen help me with the following.
I work for Roman Tours Ltd in Chester, and some of you have seen our work in the past at the Chester Roman Festival. The Deva Victrix are going to Rome for Founders Day on behalf of the City, and on Sunday the Lord Mayor will be placing a Wreath over the Vexhillium on a public parade. As on of the actors who does the religious scenes, I have been asked to say some appropriate words, in Latin of course, as he does this. We will be doing a standard ablutio and then invocation to Jupiter, but I will be grateful for any suggestions as to anything more appropriate as he does this.
I look forward to meeting citizens of Nova Roma, especially when I have passed my citizenship exam, and to learning more about the working Roman religions.
Gratias Ago
Valete
G. Valerivs Mergvs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56276 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re - Help!
Salve G. Valerivs Mergvs,
 
welcome to our Republic of Nova Roma.
 
I would recommend our Consul Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, he did help
me when I needed his help for a religious ceremony and provided his
excellent support.
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila
Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma
Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania

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Salvete Omnes
I am a new member to the group, and am 3 days into my probation. However, could any worthy citizen help me with the following.
I work for Roman Tours Ltd in Chester, and some of you have seen our work in the past at the Chester Roman Festival. The Deva Victrix are going to Rome for Founders Day on behalf of the City, and on Sunday the Lord Mayor will be placing a Wreath over the Vexhillium on a public parade. As on of the actors who does the religious scenes, I have been asked to say some appropriate words, in Latin of course, as he does this. We will be doing a standard ablutio and then invocation to Jupiter, but I will be grateful for any suggestions as to anything more appropriate as he does this.
I look forward to meeting citizens of Nova Roma, especially when I have passed my citizenship exam, and to learning more about the working Roman religions.
Gratias Ago
Valete
G. Valerivs Mergvs



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Der Lieblings-Mailbox der Welt.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56277 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Out of office
Tribuna plebis L. Livia Plauta omnibus quiritibus sal.

I will be in Italy from April 13 to approximately May 10 (in Rome
from April 17 to May 4).

In that period I will have sporadic internet access, so I may not be
able to respond timely to emails, or react immediately to situations
that require my intervention.

Valete,
L. Livia Plauta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56278 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-11
Subject: Re: De jure
Maior Regulo sal;
forgive the lag in replying I was first quite busy with the
Megalesia, and now am away on holiday, but I found your post
fascinating, so please do post more Regule! wonderful material.
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I think I'll contribute a bit to this discussion.
>
> First, ancient Roman law was not a systematic legal
> code. Its organization was chronological. The closest
> bodies of documents we have that approximate ancient
> Roman law are case law and (in the US) the Federal
> Register (calendar and acts of the federal
> government).
>
> It was Mommsen that systematized ancient Roman law
> into a codified format in order for it to be in a
> format easier to study by modern legal minds and legal
> historians. He did this for both constitutional law of
> ancient Rome in 1871-1888 and Roman criminal law in
> (1899). Many, even in academia (if it is not their
> field), forget or are unaware of this fact.
>
> Second, in terms of "constitutional law", this means
> that, unlike Nova Roma, ancient Rome did not have a
> constitution. What it had could probably be best
> described as an inherited body of "constitutive
> customs, mores, practices, and procedures" that formed
> the "genealogical" or "ancestral" precedent for
> subsequent law and politics. In this sense, as
> Mommsen himself pointed out in his work on Roman
> constitutional law, ancient Roman constitutional
> law much resembled Anglo-American common law
> tradition, and in fact, one could equally describe
> ancient Roman constitutional law as "Tradition
> constituting the inherited practices common to the
> Roman people" (Mommsen).
>
> Unfortunately, for reconstructionists like ourselves
> (and also for Mommsen himself as he admits), this
> means that much of the body of Roman law in its
> practice and procedures was unwritten, and thus,
> unrecoverable by us. It seems it was deemed as
> unnecessary as codifying table manners and when to
> wear a jacket and tie in our world. It was common
> custom presumed to be common knowledge than needing to
> be explicitly discussed, mentioned, or explained
> fully. Explicit mention of bits of Roman legal
> practice is almost aside a casual aside in the
> discussion of something else. For example, Cicero
> indirectly indicates something of Roman legal
> practice when he is talking about something else
> entirely, Clodia.
>
> Second, these observations apply also to Roman
> religious practices and rituals. They did not have
> something like a Roman Missal. The religious rituals
> were "inherited customs", which, as Mommsen, Wissowa,
> and Dumézil discuss, were less discussed the more they
> were familiar to everyone.
>
> Third, as I've posted here before when posting on the
> structure of Roman religious law, we know that Roman
> civil law was private law. It was not public. We know
> that all the laws of the empire in its two phases was
> civil and thus private law. This means the best
> analogy to modern times is that the empire was a
> military-backed equestrian corporation somewhat like
> the East Indian Bay Company.
>
> Fourth, I mentioned a while back that there is
> evidence that before the empire (and perhaps the late
> Republic during the time of the dictators) that the
> office of pontifex maximus, in constrast to the other
> pontiffs which were lifetime appointments, was an
> annual position. I also indicated that the office was
> not that of high priest but sort of the press
> secretary/liason between the college of pontiffs and
> the king, later between the college of pontiffs and
> senate. High priest was rex sacorum, followed by the
> three major flamines, and fourth in rank was the
> pontifex maximus. Cordus asked me to find where I had
> read that, and finally, I have.
>
> It comes out of an interesting story. It was at
> Vatican I that the pope was declared the universal
> sovereign of the whole church and, ex cathedra,
> infallible. Ideologically, the papacy at the time was
> highlighting the possession of every historical title
> that ever accrued to a pope of Rome. One such title
> was pontifex maximus. The pro-papacy (as universal
> sovereign and infallible) party, the "Ultramontanes",
> ideologically argued this was historically always the
> fact because the pope was called "pontifex maximus"
> and that meant he was the universal high priest to
> Christendom. The controversy grows and spills over
> into a debate about the nature of Roman law and Roman
> religion (and Roman religious titles).
>
> First, a group of Byzantine and patristic specialists
> point out, contrary to the Ultramontane claims, that
> the bishop of Rome was not always the pontifex maximus
> in the Roman empire after it became Christian. The
> Byzantine emperors would appoint a pontifex maximus
> when there was need for a "mediator of disputes".
> Sometimes it was (as seen in the Codex Theo.) the pope
> of Alexandria, sometimes pope of Jerusalem, sometimes
> the pope Antioch, the pope of Constantinople,
> sometimes the pope of Rome, and sometimes, the emperor
> himself, such as Constantine himself at the First
> Council of Nicea. One time, it was another pope when
> the Church, in council, excommunicated the pope of
> Rome (Leo?) for heresy. Anyway, so much for
> infallibility. So, they argued, pontifex maximus was
> not always, in Christian times, a title of the pope of
> Rome (nor were popes infallible as seen with one
> excommunicated for heresy).
>
> Second, they pointed out that in the time of the
> Christian Roman empire, the office of pontifex maximus
> was an annual appointment. They pointed out
> that the Codex theod. gave indication that this was
> how it had always been until the pagan emperors would
> get the title pontifex maximus with the additional
> "for life" just as they were proconsul with the added
> "for life". These historians argued that the titles
> were traditionally annual. The "for life" was not
> traditional standard practice, and thus, for that
> reason, was explicitly mentioned as such in
> characteristic Roman fashion in order to point out its
> extraordinary status of being "for life" even if
> customary from the time of Octavian.
>
> Third, they pointed out that in pagan Republican times
> and imperial times as well as Christian times, there
> were two pontifex maximuses within the same year. One
> example is where the pope of Alexandria is pontifiex
> maximus and the workload is such that the pope of
> Constantinople is also named pontifex maximus to help
> out, citing ancient pre-Christian legal precedent.
>
> These three claims and the evidence behind them
> thoroughly upset the Ultramontane party and the
> Vatican. In the hope that the Ultramontane Party and
> Vatican could refute these criticisms of papal
> pretensions (including the papacy's view of what
> pontifex maximus was in ancient Roman pagan times
> -- that is, high priest for life or pagan pope --
> and in Christian times, _always_ a title exclusively
> belonging to the pope of Rome as an ancient sign of
> his status), Theodor Mommsen (at the time the world's
> expert on Roman law) was brought into the debate.
> After researching the historical claims to ancient
> Roman priestly titles, such as pontifex maximus, as
> held by the Ultramontanes and the Vatican versus what
> other scholars and historians who were specialists in
> the field claimed (as summarized above), Mommsen
> decided, to the utter shock of the Vatican and the
> Ultramontane party, that the Vatican view was wrong,
> and in fact, that much of our mistaken views of the
> nature of the office of pontifex maximus in ancient
> Rome was actually more a legacy of Roman Catholic
> attempts to promote the papacy than historical fact.
> So, Mommsen decided against the Vatican and
> Ultramontanes. And that is why he joined the German
> Catholic bishops that eventually broke from Rome over
> the issue of Vatican I's claims about the papacy and
> formed the German Old Catholic Church.
>
> Oddly, the debate over the nature and status of the
> ancient office of pontifex maximus in pagan Rome
> continued in academia into the 1940s. When you
> investigate the nature of the continuing debate after
> Mommsen, it turns out it was basically a debate
> between historians who were not enamored of papal
> pretensions, and those, who were, in effect, the
> intellectual heirs to the "ultramontane" views. It was
> a debate between (my personal and professional
> judgment here) honest non-Catholic historians and
> rather dishonest Catholic historians. Wissowa and
> Dumezil are two later scholars that got caught up in
> Catholics trying to implausibly make the ancient
> pontifix maximus look like the Roman Catholic pope.
>
> Anyway, if interested, I'll post more on these topics
> now that I found what the sources were (and where my
> copies were -- somehow, they slipped behind Karl
> Barth's Church Dogmatics -- which is even the wrong
> bookcase).
>
> Valete omnes
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
> Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca
>
>
> Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
> Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur. - Pliny
> Ubi spiritus est cantus est. - Sempronius Atratinus
>
> ANNI MMDCCLXI AVC
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56279 From: Claudio Guzzo Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: De jure
Salve.
Regulus won't forget that common law was based on Roman law and that Momsen wasn't the first that used to study Roman law by a logical system: Gaius, Digesta, Teodosius, etc..
I'm not sure, but I remember that CH has used Digesta and Roman law Fontes until XX century: Napoleone was the first "heretic", he wanted a new codex against roman law (he and others tyranni named new era - new civilization, new Roma... - and new codices: they always do that).
You can search Savigny and read something about Roman law and codex, if you want to know how (and if) Ius (and Fas) is living.
Vale
Cicero
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56280 From: theblueguide Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Learning to speak Latin?
How many of you are using the Latinum podcast to teach yourselves to
speak conversational Classical Latin?
http://latinum.mypodcast.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56281 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Re: [Nova-Roma] Learning to speak Latin?

 A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

    This was approved, but not without some hesitation.  The site to which this refers claims that this is the only way to gain fluency in Latin, whereas our own Academia Thules courses do just that.  The Sermo Latinus courses are specifically geared to producing fluency in written and spoken Latin, and indeed are very efficacious.  Moreover, they are taught by a world-class Latinist, Avitus, and the Grammatica Latina ones by (forgive this lack of modesty) his best student, yours truly.  

How many of you are using the Latinum podcast to teach yourselves to
speak conversational Classical Latin?
http://latinum.mypodcast.com

    ATS:  Others have tried to learn via podcasts (probably this one), but have not succeeded...those who wish to learn Latin are much better off taking an organized course at the Academia Thules.  Moreover, the first two of our own podcasts contain simple Latin dialogs which should help in that regard, and also contain readings of the Aeneid with my translation thereof; the most recent one also contains a reading of the Aeneid more or less correctly pronounced, if not correctly scanned.  However, one must learn grammar and vocabulary one way or another in order to learn a language, and to me at least podcasts do not seem ideal for this purpose.  

    Reminder:  the Rudimenta Latina class will begin on Monday, April 14th; we hope that all participants will be on board by then, but that will depend at least in part on cooperation from the administration of the Academia Thules, not on actions by the faculty.  We have been contacted by several prospective students who are not yet registered with the AT and therefore cannot register for the class.  In any case, registration will remain open for a while longer, but one should hurry.  It is not necessary to have the textbook [Tore Janson, A Natural History of Latin] in advance, though that is desirable.  

Valete.

 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56282 From: Q. Ovidius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Salve,

I have a few of the episodes downloaded and have tried to listen to
them, but find them to be too inconsistent and slap-dash so have stopped
using them. I listen to the weekly Latin-language radio from Finland, in
addition to various recordings of Catullus and Ovid I've found along the
way.

I haven't heard the items produced by Academia Thules, but from the
sounds of it there are longer sections of spoken latin, which I think is
better for learning pronunciation. Hopefully, if my application is
approved, and I get into the classes, I'll be able to hear what they
have to offer.

Vale,
Q. Ovidius Sabinus

theblueguide wrote:
>
> How many of you are using the Latinum podcast to teach yourselves to
> speak conversational Classical Latin?
> http://latinum.mypodcast.com <http://latinum.mypodcast.com>
>
>


--
"Quid fine laboramus," asked the soldier building the road to the border.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56283 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Re: [Nova-Roma] Learning to speak Latin?

 A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Ovidio Sabino quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

Salve,

I have a few of the episodes downloaded and have tried to listen to
them, but find them to be too inconsistent and slap-dash so have stopped
using them.

    ATS:  That is not a very high recommendation.  

I listen to the weekly Latin-language radio from Finland, in
addition to various recordings of Catullus and Ovid I've found along the
way.

    ATS:  YLE is good, YLE is nice...but they pronounce ae as English a, and v as v instead of w...there are also other recordings available online, with various scholars reading assorted works.  The first two NR podcasts also have yours truly reading the Aeneid, correctly scanned, with translation.  

I haven't heard the items produced by Academia Thules,

    ATS:  The Academia Thules does not produce recordings, though rector Saturninus does the technical work for the Nova Roma podcast.  The Academia gives courses, which now use an interface called CMS/moodle.  We have sound files on most of our sites now, though the ones for my classes have not been fully uploaded as I cannot do this myself and must rely on assistants.  

    The Nova Roma podcast is an entirely different entity; the Academia Thules is NOT part of Nova Roma; it is merely affiliated with Nova Roma (and other similar organizations).   The podcast is not meant to teach Latin, but the dialogs between Avitus and me in the first two podcasts are very elementary, and certainly can be used for that purpose.  Later ones are less useful, and some of the NR podcasts altogether lack utility for Latin purposes.

but from the
sounds of it there are longer sections of spoken latin,

    ATS:  There are exercises from the Desessard Assimil text (NOT the new Ducos-Filippi one, which is horrible) on Avitus’ site, and longer passages for exams.  The conversations, etc.,  are included in the lesson tapes/CDs which accompany the textbook.  I have sent longer selections to my assistants, but they have not yet put them onsite, though nearly all of the paradigms and some sentences are onsite.


which I think is
better for learning pronunciation.

    ATS:  Indeed.


Hopefully, if my application is
approved, and I get into the classes, I'll be able to hear what they
have to offer.

    ATS:  We are trying.  Several people are in the same uncomfortable boat.  In the mean time, I strongly recommend that anyone interested in Avitus’ Sermo Latinus courses, which are geared toward producing fluency in spoken and written Latin, should obtain the book NOW, as the French version he uses has gone out of print, though the Italian one is still available.  The French version is obtainable from the publisher, but only by special request; the newer Assimil is error-ridden and should not be purchased. One must ask for the Desessard version.  It is not cheap, perhaps $100, but the tapes come with the text and it can be used for both years of Avitus’ class, as well as for review later on.  Please note that the text has been translated from the original French/Latin to English and Spanish, but these are available ONLY for students registered in Avitus’ classes; the original French version also has a published Italian/Latin version which, however, has more typos than does the French one.  

    Please note, however, that the Rudimenta class is essentially ABOUT Latin, and its history.  It is NOT a language class, and does not have sound files onsite.  Only the language courses do.  



Vale,
Q. Ovidius Sabinus


Vale, et valete.  

theblueguide wrote:
>
> How many of you are using the Latinum podcast to teach yourselves to
> speak conversational Classical Latin?
> http://latinum.mypodcast.com <http://latinum.mypodcast.com>
>
>  

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56284 From: Dora Smith Date: 2008-04-12
Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
Attachments :
    How do you play it without a podwhatever player?   I mean, if I download the mp3 files, burn them to CD and take them to work, what program would I need to use to play them?
     
    Yours,
    Dora Smith
    Austin, TX
    tiggernut24@...
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    How many of you are using the Latinum podcast to teach yourselves to
    speak conversational Classical Latin?
    http://latinum. mypodcast. com

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56285 From: Dora Smith Date: 2008-04-12
    Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
    How do you listen to this latin-language radio from Finland? Is it online?
    And can you get recordings of it?

    Yours,
    Dora Smith
    Austin, TX
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    From: A. Tullia Scholastica
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:13 PM
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Learning to speak Latin?



    A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Ovidio Sabino quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
    bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    I listen to the weekly Latin-language radio from Finland, in
    addition to various recordings of Catullus and Ovid I've found along the
    way.

    ATS: YLE is good, YLE is nice...but they pronounce ae as English a, and
    v as v instead of w...there are also other recordings available online, with
    various scholars reading assorted works. The first two NR podcasts also
    have yours truly reading the Aeneid, correctly scanned, with translation.



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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56286 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-12
    Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
    Maior Ovidio spd;
    I produce with Caius Curius Saturninius, 'Vox Romana' podcast,
    here:
    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Vox_Romana
    except for the last 2 episodes, every single podcast has a living
    Latin dialogue, everyday situations where you can use Latin.

    And ALL the dialogues has been edited, corrected and approved by
    Avitus, the expert who teaches 'Sermo' at Academia Thules.

    In podcasts 1# and 2# you can hear Avitus' perfect Latin accent to
    emulate! and indeed Scholastica, you can hear her strong American
    accent which illustrates that it is okay to have regional accents and
    speak Latin.

    At 'Vox Romana' we want everyone to begin to speak Latin as naturally
    as you'd speak Spanish. So you will hear a diversity of accents. I'm '
    Hortensia' the beginner, trying to get it right;-) You'll hear
    Albucius with his wonderful French accented Latin, Faustus with his
    Portuguese accented Latin.
    And Cordus and Astur, who have what we call BBC type perfect Latin
    accents; try to emulate them if you wish. If you cannot don't worry.
    The dialogues are about modern life:
    meeting friends, introductions, having a drink, coffee at a cafe,
    so you can speak Latin in the modern world.

    I want to say with total pride that 'Vox Romana' was invited this year
    to submit an abstract to the American Philological Association of
    America. I'm proud because we are an International team, spreading
    Latinitas over the world:)
    optime vale
    M. Hortensia Maior
    producer 'Vox Romana' podcast
    sacerdos Mentis (they go together!)


    The first two NR podcasts also have
    > > yours truly reading the Aeneid, correctly scanned, with
    translation.
    > >
    > > Later ones are less useful, and
    > > some of the NR podcasts altogether lack utility for Latin purposes.
    > >
    > > but from the
    > > sounds of it there are longer sections of spoken latin,
    > >
    > >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56287 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-12
    Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
    Salve;
    you can listen to them all on your computer, no problem, download
    free itunes here:
    http://www.apple.com/itunes/
    vale
    Maior



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    wrote:
    >
    > How do you listen to this latin-language radio from Finland? Is
    it online?
    > And can you get recordings of it?
    >
    > Yours,
    > Dora Smith
    > Austin, TX
    > tiggernut24@...
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: A. Tullia Scholastica
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:13 PM
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Learning to speak Latin?
    >
    >
    >
    > A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Ovidio Sabino quiritibus, sociis,
    peregrinisque
    > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
    >
    > I listen to the weekly Latin-language radio from Finland, in
    > addition to various recordings of Catullus and Ovid I've found
    along the
    > way.
    >
    > ATS: YLE is good, YLE is nice...but they pronounce ae as
    English a, and
    > v as v instead of w...there are also other recordings available
    online, with
    > various scholars reading assorted works. The first two NR
    podcasts also
    > have yours truly reading the Aeneid, correctly scanned, with
    translation.
    >
    >
    >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56288 From: Adriano Rota Date: 2008-04-12
    Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?

    C.Aquillius cordo salutem plurimam

     

    It is very interesting to follow this subject. I highly respect your latin knowledge. I speak 3.5 laguages myself and I really believe in

    conversation courses since that little experience of success can occur of using the language.
    What interests me since you are oviously an expert in latin, did you ever think of holding a latin course online with a group of paying students who are joining with or without cam. hearing and maybe even seeing you or each other? Do you think it would work learning a languae that way?
     
    Since latin is a language and also needs to be spoken, I could imagine that a lot of NR members would be interested in joining. What is your opinion about that.
     
     
     
    vale

    ----- Original Message ----
    From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:13:48 PM
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Learning to speak Latin?


     A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Ovidio Sabino quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    Salve,

    I have a few of the episodes downloaded and have tried to listen to
    them, but find them to be too inconsistent and slap-dash so have stopped
    using them.

        ATS:  That is not a very high recommendation.  

    I listen to the weekly Latin-language radio from Finland, in
    addition to various recordings of Catullus and Ovid I've found along the
    way.

        ATS:  YLE is good, YLE is nice...but they pronounce ae as English a, and v as v instead of w...there are also other recordings available online, with various scholars reading assorted works.  The first two NR podcasts also have yours truly reading the Aeneid, correctly scanned, with translation.  

    I haven't heard the items produced by Academia Thules,

        ATS:  The Academia Thules does not produce recordings, though rector Saturninus does the technical work for the Nova Roma podcast.  The Academia gives courses, which now use an interface called CMS/moodle.  We have sound files on most of our sites now, though the ones for my classes have not been fully uploaded as I cannot do this myself and must rely on assistants.  

        The Nova Roma podcast is an entirely different entity; the Academia Thules is NOT part of Nova Roma; it is merely affiliated with Nova Roma (and other similar organizations) .   The podcast is not meant to teach Latin, but the dialogs between Avitus and me in the first two podcasts are very elementary, and certainly can be used for that purpose.  Later ones are less useful, and some of the NR podcasts altogether lack utility for Latin purposes.

    but from the
    sounds of it there are longer sections of spoken latin,

        ATS:  There are exercises from the Desessard Assimil text (NOT the new Ducos-Filippi one, which is horrible) on Avitus’ site, and longer passages for exams.  The conversations, etc.,  are included in the lesson tapes/CDs which accompany the textbook.  I have sent longer selections to my assistants, but they have not yet put them onsite, though nearly all of the paradigms and some sentences are onsite.


    which I think is
    better for learning pronunciation.

        ATS:  Indeed.


    Hopefully, if my application is
    approved, and I get into the classes, I'll be able to hear what they
    have to offer.

        ATS:  We are trying.  Several people are in the same uncomfortable boat.  In the mean time, I strongly recommend that anyone interested in Avitus’ Sermo Latinus courses, which are geared toward producing fluency in spoken and written Latin, should obtain the book NOW, as the French version he uses has gone out of print, though the Italian one is still available.  The French version is obtainable from the publisher, but only by special request; the newer Assimil is error-ridden and should not be purchased. One must ask for the Desessard version.  It is not cheap, perhaps $100, but the tapes come with the text and it can be used for both years of Avitus’ class, as well as for review later on.  Please note that the text has been translated from the original French/Latin to English and Spanish, but these are available ONLY for students registered in Avitus’ classes; the original French version also has a published Italian/Latin version which, however, has more typos than does the French one.  

        Please note, however, that the Rudimenta class is essentially ABOUT Latin, and its history.  It is NOT a language class, and does not have sound files onsite.  Only the language courses do.  



    Vale,
    Q. Ovidius Sabinus


    Vale, et valete.  

    theblueguide wrote:
    >
    > How many of you are using the Latinum podcast to teach yourselves to
    > speak conversational Classical Latin?
    > http://latinum. mypodcast. com <http://latinum. mypodcast. com>
    >
    >  



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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56289 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-12
    Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
    Salve Maior,

    Maior <rory12001@...> writes:

    > I'm proud because we are an International team, spreading
    > Latinitas over the world:)

    You have every right to be proud, and I commend you for keeping at it.
    Vox Romana seems to have become something really good, and you
    deserve a lot of credit for all the effort you've put into it.

    Vale,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56290 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-12
    Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
    Salve Gnae Equiti;
    your praise means a great deal to me. I value it and want to
    thank you for your kind words.

    To everyone else, I want to say the Podcast is entirely Caius
    Curius Saturninus' idea. He thought of it and he physically puts it
    together.We discuss each podcast, the content, and are partners in
    every way.
    He is my good friend, my oldest in Nova Roma, and modest to a
    fault. There would be no 'Vox Romana' but for Saturninus.
    so please come listen & enjoy!
    M. Hortensia Maior
    "Vox Romana" podcast
    http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/

    >
    >>
    > > I'm proud because we are an International team, spreading
    > > Latinitas over the world:)
    >
    > You have every right to be proud, and I commend you for keeping at
    it.
    > Vox Romana seems to have become something really good, and you
    > deserve a lot of credit for all the effort you've put into it.
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56292 From: Q. Ovidius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-13
    Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
    You can use iTunes to both listen and subscribe to them, no need to have
    a portable mp3 player at all. In fact, if a podcast is released as an
    mp3, any standard mp3 software will play it.

    For the Finnish radio in latin, I subscribe to the RSS feed using
    google's browser-based RSS reader, and can listen to it right from there.

    - qos
    Dora Smith wrote:
    >
    > How do you play it without a podwhatever player? I mean, if I
    > download the mp3 files, burn them to CD and take them to work, what
    > program would I need to use to play them?
    >
    > Yours,
    > Dora Smith
    > Austin, TX
    > tiggernut24@... <mailto:tiggernut24@...>
    >
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    > *To:* Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
    > *Sent:* Saturday, April 12, 2008 3:35 PM
    > *Subject:* [Nova-Roma] Learning to speak Latin?
    >
    > How many of you are using the Latinum podcast to teach yourselves to
    > speak conversational Classical Latin?
    > http://latinum.mypodcast.com <http://latinum.mypodcast.com>
    >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56293 From: Q. Ovidius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-13
    Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
    Amicis A. Tullia Scholastica,

    I misunderstood the relationship between Nova Roma and Academia Thules
    and apologize for that. I hadn't picked up on YLE's mispronunciation of
    the ae dipthong, so thanks for the tip. As for the "v" sound, I'm at the
    point now where even if I'm giving a presentation at work, I'll end up
    saying "wery" or "wiew out the window" or whatnot, so a lipped "v" has
    stopped registering as anything other than a "w" sound. ;)

    I have patience and faith in the Academia process now that I understand
    it better.

    Vale,
    - q. o. s.

    A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:
    >
    >
    > A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Ovidio Sabino quiritibus, sociis,
    > peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
    >
    > Salve,
    >
    > I have a few of the episodes downloaded and have tried to listen to
    > them, but find them to be too inconsistent and slap-dash so have
    > stopped
    > using them.
    >
    > ATS: That is not a very high recommendation.
    >

    > I listen to the weekly Latin-language radio from Finland, in
    > addition to various recordings of Catullus and Ovid I've found
    > along the
    > way.
    >
    > ATS: YLE is good, YLE is nice...but they pronounce ae as English
    > a, and v as v instead of w...there are also other recordings
    > available online, with various scholars reading assorted works.
    > The first two NR podcasts also have yours truly reading the
    > Aeneid, correctly scanned, with translation.
    >
    > I haven't heard the items produced by Academia Thules,
    >
    > ATS: The Academia Thules does not produce recordings, though
    > rector Saturninus does the technical work for the Nova Roma
    > podcast. The Academia gives courses, which now use an interface
    > called CMS/moodle. We have sound files on most of our sites now,
    > though the ones for my classes have not been fully uploaded as I
    > cannot do this myself and must rely on assistants.
    >
    > The Nova Roma podcast is an entirely different entity; the
    > Academia Thules is NOT part of Nova Roma; it is merely affiliated
    > with Nova Roma (and other similar organizations). The podcast is
    > not meant to teach Latin, but the dialogs between Avitus and me in
    > the first two podcasts are very elementary, and certainly can be
    > used for that purpose. Later ones are less useful, and some of the
    > NR podcasts altogether lack utility for Latin purposes.
    >
    > but from the
    > sounds of it there are longer sections of spoken latin,
    >
    > ATS: There are exercises from the Desessard Assimil text (NOT the
    > new Ducos-Filippi one, which is horrible) on Avitus’ site, and
    > longer passages for exams. The conversations, etc., are included
    > in the lesson tapes/CDs which accompany the textbook. I have sent
    > longer selections to my assistants, but they have not yet put them
    > onsite, though nearly all of the paradigms and some sentences are
    > onsite.
    >
    >
    > which I think is
    > better for learning pronunciation.
    >
    > ATS: Indeed.
    >
    >
    > Hopefully, if my application is
    > approved, and I get into the classes, I'll be able to hear what they
    > have to offer.
    >
    > ATS: We are trying. Several people are in the same uncomfortable
    > boat. In the mean time, I strongly recommend that anyone
    > interested in Avitus’ Sermo Latinus courses, which are geared
    > toward producing fluency in spoken and written Latin, should
    > obtain the book NOW, as the French version he uses has gone out of
    > print, though the Italian one is still available. The French
    > version is obtainable from the publisher, but only by special
    > request; the newer Assimil is error-ridden and should not be
    > purchased. One must ask for the Desessard version. It is not
    > cheap, perhaps $100, but the tapes come with the text and it can
    > be used for both years of Avitus’ class, as well as for review
    > later on. Please note that the text has been translated from the
    > original French/Latin to English and Spanish, but these are
    > available ONLY for students registered in Avitus’ classes; the
    > original French version also has a published Italian/Latin version
    > which, however, has more typos than does the French one.
    >
    > Please note, however, that the Rudimenta class is essentially
    > ABOUT Latin, and its history. It is NOT a language class, and does
    > not have sound files onsite. Only the language courses do.
    >
    >
    >
    > Vale,
    > Q. Ovidius Sabinus
    >
    >
    > Vale, et valete.
    >
    > theblueguide wrote:
    > >
    > > How many of you are using the Latinum podcast to teach yourselves to
    > > speak conversational Classical Latin?
    > > http://latinum.mypodcast.com <http://latinum.mypodcast.com>
    > <http://latinum.mypodcast.com> <http://latinum.mypodcast.com>
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >


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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56294 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-04-13
    Subject: Re: Learning to speak Latin?
    Re: [Nova-Roma] Learning to speak Latin?
    A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Ovidio Sabino quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    Amicis A. Tullia Scholastica,

    I misunderstood the relationship between Nova Roma and Academia Thules
    and apologize for that.

        ATS:  You are hardly alone in that.  We used to offer some Latin instruction in Latinitas, but that was before the Academia Thules came to be (and before my time in NR).  The Academia offers far more than we ever could in any of our sodalitates, even though we now have a core of highly competent Latinists who not only read Latin, they write it, and even speak it.  After all, we have a major, recognized expert in our midst, and many fine Latinists here:  teachers, professors, and many others.



    I hadn't picked up on YLE's mispronunciation of
    the ae dipthong, so thanks for the tip. As for the "v" sound, I'm at the
    point now where even if I'm giving a presentation at work, I'll end up
    saying "wery" or "wiew out the window" or whatnot, so a lipped "v" has
    stopped registering as anything other than a "w" sound. ;)


        ATS:  Your co-workers might be amused at that...

        The pronunciation of v as v instead of w seems common in the Scandinavia; last summer when I attended Latin immersion out west, one of our moderators used this pronunciation.  Though he was American, he lived in Sweden...and of course this is the version used in Italian/medieval/so-called Church Latin, as is the ae diphthong as English a.  Avitus says that Finnish and Hungarian distinguish vowel length as phonemic, as did Latin, so their vowel pronunciation (et al.) is quite good, but he might have added that the ae diphthong and the v are not authentic.  Of course, too, German does not have the w sound, only the w letter, so perhaps the Scandinavian languages lack this as well.  Comments from native informants are welcome; we have a number of Swedish citizens, and several Finnish ones (though at least a couple are too young to comment...).  

    I have patience and faith in the Academia process now that I understand
    it better.

        ATS:  Good. There seem to be at least five or six people who want to be registered, but are not yet registered with the AT, so cannot join the Rudimenta class.  Fortunately this class does not require immediate attendance as it is a book course and one can catch up, but this would be fatal in a language class.  We never allow late registration there, and rarely elsewhere.  However, everyone here is a volunteer, so must fit in these duties around the activities of daily life, and may be very pressed to do so.  Likely Saturninus, who does the registrations, is also working on the contemplated April 21st podcast.  

    Vale,
    q. o. s.

            
    Vale, et valete.



    A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:
    >
    >
    >     A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Ovidio Sabino quiritibus, sociis,
    >     peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
    >
    >     Salve,
    >
    >     I have a few of the episodes downloaded and have tried to listen to
    >     them, but find them to be too inconsistent and slap-dash so have
    >     stopped
    >     using them.
    >
    >     ATS: That is not a very high recommendation.
    >

    >     I listen to the weekly Latin-language radio from Finland, in
    >     addition to various recordings of Catullus and Ovid I've found
    >     along the
    >     way.
    >
    >     ATS: YLE is good, YLE is nice...but they pronounce ae as English
    >     a, and v as v instead of w...there are also other recordings
    >     available online, with various scholars reading assorted works.
    >     The first two NR podcasts also have yours truly reading the
    >     Aeneid, correctly scanned, with translation.
    >
    >     I haven't heard the items produced by Academia Thules,
    >
    >     ATS: The Academia Thules does not produce recordings, though
    >     rector Saturninus does the technical work for the Nova Roma
    >     podcast. The Academia gives courses, which now use an interface
    >     called CMS/moodle. We have sound files on most of our sites now,
    >     though the ones for my classes have not been fully uploaded as I
    >     cannot do this myself and must rely on assistants.
    >
    >     The Nova Roma podcast is an entirely different entity; the
    >     Academia Thules is NOT part of Nova Roma; it is merely affiliated
    >     with Nova Roma (and other similar organizations). The podcast is
    >     not meant to teach Latin, but the dialogs between Avitus and me in
    >     the first two podcasts are very elementary, and certainly can be
    >     used for that purpose. Later ones are less useful, and some of the
    >     NR podcasts altogether lack utility for Latin purposes.
    >
    >     but from the
    >     sounds of it there are longer sections of spoken latin,
    >
    >     ATS: There are exercises from the Desessard Assimil text (NOT the
    >     new Ducos-Filippi one, which is horrible) on Avitus’ site, and
    >     longer passages for exams. The conversations, etc., are included
    >     in the lesson tapes/CDs which accompany the textbook. I have sent
    >     longer selections to my assistants, but they have not yet put them
    >     onsite, though nearly all of the paradigms and some sentences are
    >     onsite.
    >
    >
    >     which I think is
    >     better for learning pronunciation.
    >
    >     ATS: Indeed.
    >
    >
    >     Hopefully, if my application is
    >     approved, and I get into the classes, I'll be able to hear what they
    >     have to offer.
    >
    >     ATS: We are trying. Several people are in the same uncomfortable
    >     boat. In the mean time, I strongly recommend that anyone
    >     interested in Avitus’ Sermo Latinus courses, which are geared
    >     toward producing fluency in spoken and written Latin, should
    >     obtain the book NOW, as the French version he uses has gone out of
    >     print, though the Italian one is still available. The French
    >     version is obtainable from the publisher, but only by special
    >     request; the newer Assimil is error-ridden and should not be
    >     purchased. One must ask for the Desessard version. It is not
    >     cheap, perhaps $100, but the tapes come with the text and it can
    >     be used for both years of Avitus’ class, as well as for review
    >     later on. Please note that the text has been translated from the
    >     original French/Latin to English and Spanish, but these are
    >     available ONLY for students registered in Avitus’ classes; the
    >     original French version also has a published Italian/Latin version
    >     which, however, has more typos than does the French one.
    >
    >     Please note, however, that the Rudimenta class is essentially
    >     ABOUT Latin, and its history. It is NOT a language class, and does
    >     not have sound files onsite. Only the language courses do.
    >
    >
    >
    >     Vale,
    >     Q. Ovidius Sabinus
    >
    >
    >     Vale, et valete.
    >
    >     theblueguide wrote:
    >     >
    >     > How many of you are using the Latinum podcast to teach yourselves to
    >     > speak conversational Classical Latin?
    >     > http://latinum.mypodcast.com <http://latinum.mypodcast.com>
    >     <http://latinum.mypodcast.com> <http://latinum.mypodcast.com>
    >     >
    >     >
    >
    >
    >  


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56295 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-13
    Subject: Too little Greens and Whites!
    Salvete omnes. Regarding the Ludi Ceriales chariot races to be held
    next week, I have four chariots for the Reds, seven chariots for the
    Blues (which are really surplus, I think!) but only two chariots each
    for the Whites and Greens. So I'm inviting all of you of the Albata
    and Praestina teams... join in before it's too late! Deadline is April 20.

    Optime valete,
    P. Con. Placidus
    Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56296 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-13
    Subject: Re: Too little Greens and Whites!
    Salve;
    I was away for a bit but I'm a devoted Green, I'll be entering!
    M. Hortensia Maior
    >
    > Salvete omnes. Regarding the Ludi Ceriales chariot races to be held
    > next week, I have four chariots for the Reds, seven chariots for the
    > Blues (which are really surplus, I think!) but only two chariots each
    > for the Whites and Greens. So I'm inviting all of you of the Albata
    > and Praestina teams... join in before it's too late! Deadline is
    April 20.
    >
    > Optime valete,
    > P. Con. Placidus
    > Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56297 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-13
    Subject: New Sacrifice to Concordia: The 10th Year of Nova Roma - Sacred Year
    Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, sacerdos Concordiae, sacerdos Pannoniae, quaestor, legatus pro praetore: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, Senatui Populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam:
     
     
    Salvete, Quirites!
     
    May the Nova Roman Concordia shine upon us brightly!

    The Concordia ritual of the Ides of April is done!

    Now, the Parilia is coming soon. The Foundation Day of the Old Rome, on the 21st April. To celebrate this, a special sacrifice will be conducted to Goddess Concordia, too. Let's prepare your souls to the Parilia, the 2761st birthday of Rome. This Parilia will be a special one, since it is in the Tenth Year of Nova Roma!
     
    As the Parilia comes nearer, I encourage everybody to pray Goddess Concordia for the Nova Roman Agreement, for the a Creative Peace and Social Cooperation. With Her help and support we can be a powerful, great, worldwide and worldclass movement: the modern Roman Movement for the restoration of classical Roman religion, culture and virtues.
     
    PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!
     
    I especially ask you, Magistrates and Senators: send me your prayers to Concordia and I will allocate them in the Virtual Temple of Concordia of the Nova Roman People:
     
     
    Visit the Virtual Temple of Concordia and leave a personal prayer!
     
    PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!
     
     
    Today's sacrifice has been done before my home altar. I have worshiped Concordia for the unity, strength and successful harmony of the New Roman People and I have given Her wine and incense. The ritual has been this:
     
     
    ++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ ++++
     
    SACRIFICIUM CONCORDIAE IDIBUS APRILIBUS ANNI SACRI X NOVAE ROMAE CONDITAE 
     
     
    Favete linguis!
     
    (Beginning of the sacrifice.)
     
    PRAEFATIO
     
    Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    te hoc ture commovendo
    bonas preces precor,
    uti sies volens propitia
    Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
    Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, 
    mihi, domo, familiae!

    (Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

     
    Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    uti te ture commovendo
    bonas preces precatus sum,
    eiusdem rei ergo
    macte vino inferio esto!"
     
    (Libation of wine is made.)


    PRECATIO
     
    Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    hisce Idibus Aprilibus anni decimi Novae Romae conditae
    te precor quaesoque:
    uti pacem concordiamque constantem
    societati Novae Romae tribuas;
    utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
    confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
    omnibusque discordiis liberes;
    utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat,
    atque hoc anno anniversario decimo Novae Romae conditae convalescat,
    atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
    et futura clarissima ac beatissima et gloriosissima Nova Roma habeat;
    utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
    Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, 
    mihi, domo, familiae
    omnes in hoc anno decimo Novae Romae eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
    utique sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
    Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, 
    magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
    Senatui Novo Romano,
    omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
    mihi, domo, familiae!

    SACRIFICIUM

    Sicut verba nuncupavi,
    quaeque ita faxis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
    harum rerum ergo macte
    hoc vino libando,
    hoc ture ommovendo
    esto fito volens propitia
    hoc anno anniversario decimo Novae Romae conditae,
    hisce Idibus Aprilibus anni decimi Novae Romae conditae
    Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
    Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, 
    magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
    Senatui Novo Romano,
    omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
    mihi, domo, familiae!

     
    (Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)
     
     
    REDDITIO
     
    Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    uti te ture commovendo
    et vino libando
    bonas preces precatus sum,
    earundem rerum ergo
    macte vino inferio esto!

    (Libation of wine is made)
     
    Ilicet!
     
    (End of the sacrifice.)
     
     
    PIACULUM
     
    Iane,
    Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
    Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva,
    Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
    si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,
    hoc vino inferio
    veniam peto
    et vitium meum expio.
     
    (Libation of wine is made.)
     
     
     
    Valete in Concordia!
    May Concordia be with us!




    Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
    Q U A E S T O R
    SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
    ------------------------------------------
    Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
    Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
    Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
    Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
    Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
    Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
    Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
    Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
    -------------------------------------------
    Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
    Dominus Factionis Russatae
    Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56298 From: titus.aquila Date: 2008-04-14
    Subject: Out of office Tribunus Plebis Titus Flavius Aquila
    Tribunus plebis T. Flavius Aquila omnibus quiritibus sal.

    I will be in Italy from April 19th until April 21st,2761 A.U.C.

    In that period I will have no internet access, so I will not be
    able to respond to any emails, or react immediately to situations
    that require my intervention.

    Optime valete
    Titus Flavius Aquila
    Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56299 From: Robin Marquardt Date: 2008-04-14
    Subject: Re: Out of office Tribunus Plebis Titus Flavius Aquila
    Hi Mr. Aquila,
    What does A.U.C. mean?
    Thank you,
    Robin

    ----- Original Message ----
    From: titus.aquila <titus.aquila@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:01:38 PM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Out of office Tribunus Plebis Titus Flavius Aquila


    Tribunus plebis T. Flavius Aquila omnibus quiritibus sal.

    I will be in Italy from April 19th until April 21st,2761 A.U.C.

    In that period I will have no internet access, so I will not be
    able to respond to any emails, or react immediately to situations
    that require my intervention.

    Optime valete
    Titus Flavius Aquila
    Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma



     
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56300 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-14
    Subject: Re: Out of office Tribunus Plebis Titus Flavius Aquila
    Robin:

    To learn more about A.U.C. you can look here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab_urbe_condita

    Vale:

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

    On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...> wrote:

    Hi Mr. Aquila,
    What does A.U.C. mean?
    Thank you,
    Robin


    ----- Original Message ----
    From: titus.aquila <titus.aquila@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:01:38 PM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Out of office Tribunus Plebis Titus Flavius Aquila


    Tribunus plebis T. Flavius Aquila omnibus quiritibus sal.

    I will be in Italy from April 19th until April 21st,2761 A.U.C.

    In that period I will have no internet access, so I will not be
    able to respond to any emails, or react immediately to situations
    that require my intervention.

    Optime valete
    Titus Flavius Aquila
    Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56301 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-14
    Subject: Re: Out of office Tribunus Plebis Titus Flavius Aquila
    Robin Marquardt <remarq777@...> writes:

    > What does A.U.C. mean?

    Ab Urbe Condita (Since the founding of the city [of Rome])

    The Roman calendar counts years from the founding of Rome in 753 BCE.

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56302 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2008-04-14
    Subject: Re: De jure - A. Sempronio
    A. Apolonius A. Sempronio sal.

    > Fourth, I mentioned a while back that there is
    > evidence that before the empire (and perhaps the late
    > Republic during the time of the dictators) that the
    > office of pontifex maximus, in constrast to the other
    > pontiffs which were lifetime appointments, was an
    > annual position. I also indicated that the office was
    > not that of high priest but sort of the press
    > secretary/liason between the college of pontiffs and
    > the king, later between the college of pontiffs and
    > senate. High priest was rex sacorum, followed by the
    > three major flamines, and fourth in rank was the
    > pontifex maximus. Cordus asked me to find where I had
    > read that, and finally, I have.

    Thank you. It was specifically the point about annual tenure of office that I was interested in: the further points you make are ones I'd entirely endorse.

    > It comes out of an interesting story....

    That was indeed a very interesting story, and I thank you for telling it. I hope you'll forgive me, however, if I continue to ask whether you could help me work out where I can find the relevant evidence and discussion of it. Was anything published?




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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56303 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2008-04-14
    Subject: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
    A. Apolonius omnibus sal.

    A few people have shown an interest in how the judicial system of the old republic worked and how it might be adapted for use in Nova Roma. I said some days ago that I'd work on something.

    I've started with the system of criminal justice, since that seems to be what mostly exercises our courts and public opinion (in fact, so far as I know, no non-criminal case has ever come to trial in Nova Roma). If asked, I shall try to do the same for civil justice, but it may be that this will not be felt urgent at present.

    What I've produced is a long document and won't be of very much interest to most people, so I don't propose to post it to this e-mail list. I had intended to upload it as a file to the 'files' section of the e-mail list, but it looks like private citizens can no longer do this, so I'll simply say that anyone who wants to read it is welcome to e-mail me privately to ask for a copy.




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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56304 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-14
    Subject: Re: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
    Salve Corde,

    "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@...> writes:

    > What I've produced is a long document and won't be of very much
    > interest to most people, so I don't propose to post it to this
    > e-mail list. I had intended to upload it as a file to the 'files'
    > section of the e-mail list, but it looks like private citizens can
    > no longer do this, so I'll simply say that anyone who wants to read
    > it is welcome to e-mail me privately to ask for a copy.

    If you'll send me a copy, I'll put it in the files section. Thanks
    for taking the time to do this.

    Vale,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56305 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2008-04-14
    Subject: Re: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
    Salve A. Apolonius!

    Could You please send me the document, I am very interested in seeing
    what You have found out.

    >A. Apolonius omnibus sal.
    >
    >A few people have shown an interest in how the judicial system of
    >the old republic worked and how it might be adapted for use in Nova
    >Roma. I said some days ago that I'd work on something.
    >
    >I've started with the system of criminal justice, since that seems
    >to be what mostly exercises our courts and public opinion (in fact,
    >so far as I know, no non-criminal case has ever come to trial in
    >Nova Roma). If asked, I shall try to do the same for civil justice,
    >but it may be that this will not be felt urgent at present.
    >
    >What I've produced is a long document and won't be of very much
    >interest to most people, so I don't propose to post it to this
    >e-mail list. I had intended to upload it as a file to the 'files'
    >section of the e-mail list, but it looks like private citizens can
    >no longer do this, so I'll simply say that anyone who wants to read
    >it is welcome to e-mail me privately to ask for a copy.

    --

    Vale

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

    Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
    Civis Romanus sum
    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
    ************************************************
    Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
    "I'll either find a way or make one"
    ************************************************
    Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
    Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
    ************************************************
    Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
    Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56306 From: titus.aquila Date: 2008-04-14
    Subject: Re: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
    Salve A. Apolonius,

    I would be interessted as well,could you please send me the document.

    Optime vale
    Titus Flavius Aquila
    Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma
    Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania



    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
    <a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:
    >
    > A. Apolonius omnibus sal.
    >
    > A few people have shown an interest in how the judicial system of
    the old republic worked and how it might be adapted for use in Nova
    Roma. I said some days ago that I'd work on something.
    >
    > I've started with the system of criminal justice, since that seems
    to be what mostly exercises our courts and public opinion (in fact,
    so far as I know, no non-criminal case has ever come to trial in Nova
    Roma). If asked, I shall try to do the same for civil justice, but
    it may be that this will not be felt urgent at present.
    >
    > What I've produced is a long document and won't be of very much
    interest to most people, so I don't propose to post it to this e-mail
    list. I had intended to upload it as a file to the 'files' section
    of the e-mail list, but it looks like private citizens can no longer
    do this, so I'll simply say that anyone who wants to read it is
    welcome to e-mail me privately to ask for a copy.
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56307 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-14
    Subject: New file uploaded to Nova-Roma
    Hello,

    This email message is a notification to let you know that
    a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Nova-Roma
    group.

    File : /RepublicanCriminalJustice.pdf
    Uploaded by : equitius_marinus <gawne@...>
    Description : An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic

    You can access this file at the URL:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/files/RepublicanCriminalJustice.pdf

    To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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    Regards,

    equitius_marinus <gawne@...>
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56308 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-14
    Subject: Nehalennia Temple in the Netherlands
    Maior quiritibus spd;
    I found this wonderful link over at 'A Heathen Thing' list. It's
    about a new recreation in Romano-Celtic style of a temple to the
    Netherlandish sea goddess Nehalennia. It's for 'educational' puposes
    but I think it would be great site for a Conventus and for rituals.
    Why shouldn't we ask to use these recreations? I bet the authorities
    would be willing..
    http://www.nehalennia-tempel.nl/index.php
    optime vale
    M.Hortensia Maior
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56309 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-15
    Subject: To all in the Far East, 4/15/2008, 12:00 pm
    Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
     
    Title:   To all in the Far East
     
    Date:   Tuesday April 15, 2008
    Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
    Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
    Location:   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prov_asia_orientalis/
    Notes:   If you live in the Far East, why not join your provincial mailing list? Meet fellow citizens and get active locally. Don't just lurk! Send a message, introduce yourself and get involved! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prov_asia_orientalis/

    Provincial mailing lists are listed in the wiki. Go to http://novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_%28Nova_Roma%29
     
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56310 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2008-04-15
    Subject: Lude Cereales CIRCENCES entry #1 of 2
    C. Aurelia Falco Silvana SPD.

    Here is one entry for the Circenses events. I will send my second
    entry in a day or two (before the deadline).

    Thank you for all your work on these games of April. I especially
    appreciate the long advance notice of the Games. You gave everyone
    the maximum opportunity to enter. This is particularly helpful to our
    new cives.

    Vale bene in pace Deorum.
    Silvana


    Ludi Cereales CIRCENSES ENTRY #1 2761 IV xvi

    A. Name of owner: Gaia Aurelia Falco Silvana


    B. Name of driver: SPANDEX THE VANDAL

    Master of Horse on the owner's estate, veteran of several Ludi
    including the Ludi Conditorum Circenses of this year. Back driving
    his original team, Velociraptor, our mighty veteran team of ex-cavalry
    horses from Spain. Spandex is tall, blue-eyed, with long blond braids
    and broad, heavily muscled shoulders and body. His deep understanding
    of horses and his love of hard-fought competition come from his
    barbarian heritage. He is impervious to the . . . um . . . charms . .
    . of female aurigae. For Spandex is devoted to a Northwoman and her
    four children who fled their homeland, hunted by a rival tribe. They
    were sold onward from a Roman border camp, eventually bought by Domus
    Aurelia Falco. Spandex has adopted the two boys and two girls,
    mentoring the eldest boy as a chariot racer.

    C. Name of chariot: VELOCIRAPTOR
    Velox, Raptor and Dens of the original team. One of their herd-mates,
    the solidly muscled Fortis, takes the place of the Sarmatian Ignis who
    raced temporarily with Velociraptor last year. Fans of Ignis can
    look for his russet coat and fiery eyes racing with our second team.

    D. Tactics for Quarter and Semi-finals

    General remarks for all races:
    Last year, the taller, heavier Spandex raced our lighter, younger team
    to season them. Now he is back with Velociraptor for the second time
    this year. The team can really handle his weight in the chariot, and
    has responded incredibly well to their favorite auriga. Spandex, a
    master smith, and his apprentice Baro (our surviving first gladiator),
    have checked every part of the chariot design that proved so durable
    and suited to the combination of Spandex and Velociraptor. The
    streamlined arrowhead shape improves speed. It also centres more of
    the mass over the middle of the axle, and dropping the chassis
    slightly over the axle drops the centre of gravity by almost a hand.
    The drop is slight, because the chariot must be able to clear debris
    tossed onto or left on the track. To prevent the shell of the
    chariot bursting apart, the bar that rims the shell around the driver
    is of shaped iron. A couple of welded metal struts anchored in the
    chassis support this bar. With the bar in place, they could reduce
    the mass of protective wood in the shell, so there is no net added
    weight. This chariot has survived complete roll-over tests. (Spandex
    calls his invention a "roll bar".) A driver who is quick enough to
    tuck into the shell and strong enough to brace himself there, could
    also survive a rollover. However, the chariot's shape and weight
    distribution mean that rollover is highly unlikely.

    The strengthened axle, wheel-mounts and hubs are inbuilt defense
    against collisions with other chariots and the spina or outer wall of
    the circus.

    Our horses trained through the winter in deep snow to strengthen lungs
    and legs on a diet tailored to build muscle and stamina. Now with the
    warm spring weather and fresh grasses, they are brimming with energy
    and eager to race.

    1. Quarter finals Tactics:
    1) To hurry in the last laps
    At first, Spandex will keep a constant pace, and hang back, letting
    the horses seem balky and edgy because of their harness. Actually
    the horses love the "feel" of Spandex's heavier weight, and Spandex is
    saving their energy. He will use this time to study other teams
    carefully, watching how they attack each other, and learning what he
    needs to know to slip into first place in the last laps. Spandex is a
    great showman, and Velociraptor loves the roar of the crowd, but he
    will take no unnecessary risks in these quarter-finals.

    2. Semi-finals tactics:
    2) To pass the curves close to the "spina" of the circus.
    Now it's time to give his many fans the show they came to see. This
    powerful team, running as fluidly as a single horse, can pull off
    maneuvers other teams rarely dare. From the start, Spandex will keep
    to the middle of the pack, pushing speed from the leading teams to
    tire them. In the middle laps, Velociraptor will keep two or three
    lanes away from the spina on the straightaways, dancing between rivals
    to unnerve them, then sweep close to the spina for the turns in their
    signature move –rounding the turn on one wheel. The occasional scrape
    of the spina does no harm: the iron-capped wheel hubs and
    iron-reinforced axles can easily withstand the rough stuff. Having
    experienced Spandex's tactics, the other teams and drivers will be
    nervous and wary of his team in the final laps, making a well-earned
    victory for Velociraptor.

    E. Tactics for the Finals:
    5) To push the rivals to the wall of the circus.
    It's time to unleash the complete power of Velociraptor. In the
    finals, Spandex already knows the strengths, weaknesses and strategies
    of the other teams, and uses that knowledge. He knows the other
    drivers will be suspicious of his movements at the curves, so he will
    do the opposite. After a quick start to make some rivals burn energy
    too soon, Spandex will hold to the middle of the pack. He conserves
    Velociraptor's energy, but forces other drivers to waste concentration
    and horsepower dodging him. He also uses feint attacks to further
    confuse them. Our horses are seasoned battlefield horses, and keep
    their heads even when the racetrack seems in total confusion. If
    lashed by another driver, they use their teeth to defend themselves.

    Coming out of the final turn into the last straightaway, our team
    gains speed. The powerful legs and mighty hearts of Velociraptor leave
    all rivals behind in the dust.

    F. Factio: PRAESINA (Green)


    G. Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round
    (quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in
    support of it:
    Domus Aurelia Falco values the dignitas it has earned, and will not
    stoop to "dirty actions." Spandex runs a fair race. He loves horses,
    and would never use any tactic that might injure a horse, even of a
    rival team. He relies on his superior skills to win. Only an
    inferior driver needs to attack other drivers. We are disappointed
    that the aediles have chosen to bring "dirty actions" back into our
    circenses events. The Ludi Conditorum circenses events were splendid.
    No "dirty actions" darkened the outcome of those games (or any of the
    games in 2760 auc). The focus was on racing, not on cheating.

    H. Defence against dirty actions in a specific round (quarter-final,
    semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it:
    1. Quarter-finals:
    Spandex needs to find out what the other drivers are planning, but
    how? He will send his youngest adopted son around as a stable-hand to
    ask all the drivers, seeking three harness-brasses (phalerae) that
    have "fallen off". There is no suggestion that anyone has stolen
    them. (Of course, the brasses are securely in place, not lost at
    all.) This does two things. First, it creates the impression that
    Spandex may be running with weakened or sloppy harness, and is getting
    careless. Second, it gives the boy a good chance to nose around the
    other teams, to learn who is planning dirty tactics.
    COST: Nothing; the boy loves Spandex . . . and our horses.

    Spandex wants to conceal the horses' special diet—but how? He eats
    the same fare, albeit with all grains boiled, with huge amounts of
    onion and garlic on the side for his own stamina, plus grilled fish.
    He drinks no wine and eats no meat—it is too easy to slip a drug or
    poison into these two, where it may not be noticed because of the
    stronger flavors of these foods.
    COST: Nothing. Everything is from Domus supplies.

    2. Semi-finals:
    Spandex must anticipate more dirty tactics of others, now that he has
    won his quarter-final race. In case his earlier tactic has given
    anyone ideas of sabotaging the team's harnesses, the harnesses now
    stored in the stalls are not those that the team will run in. Spandex
    sleeps with the horses, on a pile of straw and old sailcloth that
    conceals the real harness. The horses are very good watch-dogs.
    COST: Nothing. This is Spandex's duty—and he loves his horses.

    Spandex hires the three sons of the Ethiopian slave runs the Tavern of
    the Elephant for Domus Aurelia Falco. With his eldest adopted son
    racing, and two teams running for the Domus, Spandex needs extra help
    guarding both Velociraptor and Syntarsus. When the chariot is not on
    the racetrack, one boy sleeps or rests in each chariot, with one to
    stand watch and rotate positions. They will keep watch until the end
    of the Ludi.
    COST: 15 sesterces (not much, but worth a lot to these young slaves)

    Spandex also hires the lovely teenage daughter of the Ethiopian slave,
    to offer an amphora of wine to each of the other semi-finalists. It
    is anticipated that they will not drink the wine. To avoid any hint
    of dirty tactics by Spandex, the girl will say that they are to save
    the wine for their victory celebration. In doing such courtesy,
    however, this sharp young woman will get a good idea of the frame of
    mind of each driver and owner), and may see the condition of their
    team. All of the other drivers remember the Tavern of the Elephant
    from past after-Ludi parties, and know that they are receiving fine
    wine. The anticipated taste of victory may also make them reckless in
    tomorrow's race.
    COST: 5 sesterces to the Ethiopian girl
    40 sesterces for wine

    3. Finals:
    Any driver lashing at Team Velociraptor as it overtakes, is in for a
    surprise. The team is trained to use its (very strong) teeth on any
    stranger's hand holding anything that looks like a weapon or a whip.
    Velox and Raptor are running in the middle, Dens and Fortis on the
    outside, for good reason. These horses are used to fighting on the
    battlefield, so slashers beware.
    COST: Nothing. This is part of their training.

    There is a risk is the middle of the race, when Spandex slows his
    pace, that another driver may attempt to use his own horses to attack
    Spandex from behind when overtaking Velociraptor. Spandex has a
    surprise waiting. A pouch of freshly ground black pepper is tucked
    into the padding on each inside corner of the chariot, where it cannot
    be seen. Spandex cannot, by his inner nature, wound a horse, even a
    competitor's horse. If equine teeth get too close to him, he will
    simply drop a handful or two of pepper into the air in front of the
    oncoming horses. The dust and milling hooves will ensure that the
    unfair driver, as well as his team, gets a good dose of it, and is
    forced to pull to a stop.

    However, this is a tactic only of last resort. Spandex knows that he
    has earned the respect of the crowd by running completely fair
    races. However much he is at risk, he will only pepper a team biting
    and snapping at his legs, or a driver lashing at him, when the crowd
    signals its anger at the other driver and its favor for Velociraptor.
    Otherwise, he will take the pain and let the actions of the other
    lead that driver into danger through focussing too much on Spandex,
    and forgetting that there are two other opponents on the track as well.
    COST: Nothing. Pepper is from regular household stores.

    TOTAL SPENT: 60 sesterces
    RESERVE: 40 sesterces
    (for celebration, including special treatment for the horses of
    Velociraptor)


    I. If sesterces from multiple entrants are pooled to take a dirty
    action or defend against a dirty action, the subscription of each
    entrant of the pool must so indicate.
    Domus Aurelia Falco guards its dignitas and the dignitas of Factio
    Praesina. We will not participate in any pools to take part in "dirty
    actions."
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56311 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2008-04-15
    Subject: Absence
    Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

    I wish to apologize to the Senate and People of Nova Roma for my
    absence. I took a sabbatical for most of March for personal reasons
    and planned on returning to active public life before the beginning of
    the Ludi Cerealia. However, my home computer developed a bit of a
    Claudian stutter and has kept me off line since April 9.

    I am using other computers to respond to emails as I can and will
    definitely post the Cerealia Caerimonia on April 19.

    I have been given the date of April 22 to pick up my computer tower
    and get back on line at home.

    Valete.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56312 From: adriano.rota Date: 2008-04-15
    Subject: Roman Places ?
    C.Aqui. Salutem plurimam dicit,

    does anybody know where one can find real roman places to go to in the
    U.S.?

    For example: Temples, Markets, Taberns, Restaurants or Hotels?

    The only one I can think of is the Getty Mueum in CA.

    Please let me know

    Valete
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56313 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-15
    Subject: Sort of On/Off Topic -- Olympic Torch
    Pro-Tibetan Protests and Olympic Torch.

    FYI

    As some of you know, some of us have joint citizenship
    in the US and Germany (and in my case served as an
    analyst for BND and BGS as laison with NATO when US
    State seemed to be ratting out DOD and NATO spooks to
    the DDR). These arouse profoundly mixed feelings with
    many Germans. Agreeing with the protests, many wonder
    why the whole ceremony of the torch itself is not
    protested.

    Recent events are an ambivalent and dark irony with
    the lack of historical depth in the media attention to
    the pro-Tibetan protests adding an even odder twist.

    The Olympic Torch has no firm connection with the
    ancient past; its invention is that of Nazi Germany.

    It was thought to be, by Nazis and their scholars,
    a "legitimate" reconstruction of the past. At least,
    the lesson to be learned for us is not to allow
    present political ideology shape our reconstructionist
    efforts.

    At least one news agency (BBC) has noted the Nazi
    origins of the Olympic Torch. Many Germans supportive
    of the Tibetan protests against China's human right
    violations wonder why, also, the torch itself is not
    also protested. Here is the article.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7330949.stm

    For those offended for the perhaps "off topic"
    post, my regrets in advance.



    A. Sempronius Regulus

    Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca


    Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
    Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur. - Pliny
    Ubi spiritus est cantus est. - Sempronius Atratinus

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56314 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-15
    Subject: Re: Sort of On/Off Topic -- Olympic Torch
    M. Hortensia A. Sempronio spd;
    now now; couldn't China, rightly be seen as the new Persia? So it
    would be on topic from that pov. And a very interesting one indeed.
    As what were Roman criticisms of Persia?
    optime vale
    M. Hortensia Maior

    Questrix Albucio
    sacerdos Mentis
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    > post, my regrets in advance.
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    > A. Sempronius Regulus
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56315 From: Lucius Iulius Regulus Date: 2008-04-15
    Subject: Re: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
    Salve A.Apolonius,
     
    I would be interested in seeing the document as well. Thank you in advance.
     
    Lucius Iulius Regulus

    ----- Original Message ----
    From: titus.aquila <titus.aquila@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:41:17 PM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic

    Salve A. Apolonius,

    I would be interessted as well,could you please send me the document.

    Optime vale
    Titus Flavius Aquila
    Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma
    Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
    <a_apollonius_ cordus@.. .> wrote:

    >
    > A. Apolonius omnibus sal.
    >
    > A few people have shown an interest in how the judicial system of
    the old republic worked and how it might be adapted for use in Nova
    Roma. I said some days ago that I'd work on something.
    >
    > I've started with the system of criminal justice, since that seems
    to be what mostly exercises our courts and public opinion (in fact,
    so far as I know, no non-criminal case has ever come to trial in Nova
    Roma). If asked, I shall try to do the same for civil justice, but
    it may be that this will not be felt urgent at present.
    >
    > What I've produced is a long document and won't be of very much
    interest to most people, so I don't propose to post it to this e-mail
    list. I had intended to upload it as a file to the 'files' section
    of the e-mail list, but it looks like private citizens can no longer
    do this, so I'll simply say that anyone who wants to read it is
    welcome to e-mail me privately to ask for a copy.
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56316 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-15
    Subject: Re: An Outline Of The Criminal Judicial System Of The Roman Republic
    Salvete omnes,

    I've posted the document in the files section of the Nova-Roma mailing
    list's Yahoo website. Just go to
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/files/ and click on
    RepublicanCriminalJustice.pdf

    Vale,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

    Lucius Iulius Regulus <luciusjul25@...> writes:

    > I would be interested in seeing the document as well.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56317 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2008-04-16
    Subject: Re: Lude Cereales CIRCENCES entry #1 of 2
    C. Aurelia Falco Silvana omnibus civibus salutem dicit.

    This should never have come up on the Main List. I sent it via the
    "send e-mail" private e-mail button at the right side of the yahoo
    message board. I did NOT use the "reply" button (as I am doing to
    post this message publically).

    Could our Aedile please send a new message to the Main List, and embed
    a direct link to the appropriate private e-mail address for Ludi
    Cerealis entries?

    I will not send any further entries until this "problem" is corrected.
    I suspect it is why some other entries have turned up on here the
    Main List.

    Valete bene in pace Deorum
    Silvana


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C. Aurelia Falco Silvana"
    <silvanatextrix@...> wrote:
    >
    > C. Aurelia Falco Silvana SPD.
    >
    > Here is one entry for the Circenses events. I will send my second
    > entry in a day or two (before the deadline).
    >
    <big snip>
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56318 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-16
    Subject: Subscriptions to chariot races: please use private mail address
    Salvete omnes.
    I would like to remind to all citizens who may wish to enter their chariot in the Chariot Races, which are going to take place during the Ludi Ceriales, to use my PRIVATE e-mail address i.e. ugo.coppola@... .

    Please DO NOT post subscribtions here on the main list.

    Optime valete,
    Publius Constantinus Placidus
    Aedilis Plebis Novaæ Romæ
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56319 From: Adriano Rota Date: 2008-04-16
    Subject: Re: Srious Qustion-Roman Places ?
    Salve,
     
    dear Romans, I hope the question I asked has not been understood as me making fun of the community
    or is interpreted as extreme naivity, zynism or irony et. !
    I really want to know if there are public places or businesses of the NR community which are meeting places or places which are  used as such but not run by NR or a member.
    Somebody told me for exampel that there must be a Restaurnt somewhere which serves Apicius dishes.
     
    Well, is there something or something planned by NR?
     
    I hope this explanes a little bit better that I ask you all a serious question.
     
    Thank you all for reading and may the gods bless your day.
     
    Valete
     
     


     
    ----- Original Message ----
    From: adriano.rota <adriano.rota@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:39:56 PM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Places ?

    C.Aqui. Salutem plurimam dicit,

    does anybody know where one can find real roman places to go to in the
    U.S.?

    For example: Temples, Markets, Taberns, Restaurants or Hotels?

    The only one I can think of is the Getty Mueum in CA.

    Please let me know

    Valete




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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56320 From: James Mathews Date: 2008-04-16
    Subject: The "Pilum" and "Roman Times" Quarterlies
    Ladies and Gentlemen;

    The two subject publications are now on line at:

    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_Time_Quarterly

    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Pilum_Webzine

    My apologies for the late notification.  I am working with a new laptop computer which is a very advanced model for my wife's use, and I am a veritable tyro at getting things done correctly.

    My thanks to -------------- for putting the publications on his Wickia, and for the excellent mastheads for both publications.

    Also my thanks to Senator Agricola for his repeated assistance in getting me started on the Roman stories to be found in the NR Wicki.  As these stories are completed, I shall be pleased to notify those of you who may be interested of their whereabouts on line.

    In the meantime if anyone has an article, story, poem, or any other literary accomplishment that they wish to share with NR, you may send them tome and I will see that they are included in one of the two publications.

    The next above listed quarterlies are due July 1, 2008.

    Please enjoy the publications now on line.

    Respectfully;

    Marcus Audens
    Editor Senoris,
    Nova Roma
    ---fills the white and rustling sail and bends the gallant mast; and bends the gallant mast my boys, while like the eagle free, our good ship starts, and flies, and leaves Old England on our lee!!!

    From: Lucius Vitellius Triarius
    Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 11:55 AM
    To: James Mathews
    Subject: Pilum is up

    Both sites on the wiki are up and running:
     
     
     
    I have not started on the blog sites yet, though.
     
    Vale optime,
    Triarius

    James Mathews <jmath669642reng@...> wrote:
    Master Triarius;

    Did you receive the RTQ and "Pilm Quarterlies???

    Respectfully;

    Marcus Audens
    ---fills the white and rustling sail and bends the gallant mast; and bends the gallant mast my boys, while like the eagle free, our good ship starts, and flies, and leaves Old England on our lee!!!

    From: Lucius Vitellius Triarius
    Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:40 AM
    To: Marcus Minucius-Tiberius
    Subject: Re: Roman Times Quarterly / Pilum Quarterly -- SECOND SENDING

    Salve Senator,
     
    If you wish, send me the information and I can post it to the wiki.
     
    Have you thought about putting the newsletter on a blog site? It would be much easier to upload articles to. For instance, see this example I set up:
     
     
    Vale optime,
    Triarius

    Marcus Audens <MarcusAudens@...> wrote:


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    From: Marcus Audens
    Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 4:28 AM
    To: NRWiki@yahoogroups. com
    Subject: [NRWiki] Roman Times Quarterly / Pilum Quarterly

    Senator Agricola;

    I am ready to send the two subject publications to the wiki for the pleasure of the Nova Roma citizenry. However, I am not sure how to get the material on the wiki and get a URL that I can provide to NR for their access information.

    I have tried to send material directly to a web list and that does not seem to work. However, I have been successful in sending similar material to an individual with no trouble. Please give this your consideration and let me know what your solution to this concern is. I need to submit this material to NR before the lend of March.

    Thank you for your kind consideration of this request.

    Respectfully;

    Marcus Audens

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56321 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-16
    Subject: EDICTUM n° 10 mod. the nb 09 and creating a gaming sodal.-college
    Albucius aed. omnibus s.d.


    You will find here below a new edict, whose aims are two :

    - modifying the previous one, in order to welcome every kind of game
    in the gaming field opened by the Edictum 61-09. We have thus taken
    into due consideration the experiences that a half dozen of
    passionated cives told us about here, in the Forum.
    So the aedilician will is to keep to door wide open, and that we see
    together how to manage our diversity. If every Novaroman interested
    in a particular field can give a hand, I will not be that worried
    about it, for we will be able to go forward pretty well.

    - going ahead in the gaming structure, creating a "clan" (videogames
    vocabulary!) i.e. a sodalitas-college to welcome all the people
    interested by gaming, specially videogames and online ones, and to
    make them come in contact of our republic.

    This structure is "under construction", so that it can be able to
    work asap once created and issued in our web pages.

    At this time, I will propose to form the gaming aedilician team, with
    all the citizens interested in, specially those of you who have
    already expressed ther interest.


    Valete omnes !



    Albucius aed.

    ___________________________________________________

    Aed. Cur. Memmius EDICTUM (n° 61-10) concerning the creation of a
    gaming team and the form of Nova Roma support to gaming activities
    (de creatione gregis ludorum et Nova Roma quomodo lusus adiuvet)


    In view of my edict n° 61-09 concerning the creation of an internet
    videogames team;

    Considering the need to take in due consideration the experience
    witnessed by Nova Roma citizens concerning the range of gaming
    activities;

    Edicts :


    Article 1 : Modification of the edict n° 61-09


    The Memmian edict n° 61-09 is modified as follows:

    - in its articles 1 et 2, the word « videogames » is replaced by the
    word « gaming »;

    - its article 3 is replaced by the following text:


    « Article 3 : Missions of the gaming team

    In order to bring into Nova Roma new socii or citizens, the gaming
    team aims to create or provide :

    - pages in Nova Roma web site devoted to all games relative to
    ancient Rome, and specially to videogames ones and the most famous
    currently, 'Rome Total War'. These pages will host either creation
    texts or contents, or will propose links to specialized sites outside
    Nova Roma ;

    - a gaming group, called « clan » in the usual online gaming
    vocabulary, which may represent Nova Roma in gaming and internet
    online gaming, attract foreign players, and make our republic better
    known;

    - for this « clan » the most appropriate novaroman legal frame to
    allow this group to develop freely and at the same time for Nova Roma
    to keep a basic control on it;

    - for this « clan », at least for its beginning, dedicated web pages,
    with all the features generally offered by such online gaming teams.

    - organize gaming events, specially online videogames ones, for
    example 'Rome Total War' tournaments or contests. »


    The other parts of the edict n° 61-09 remain unchanged.


    Article 2 : Creation of a gaming « clan »


    A gaming group, called « clan » in usual gaming vocabulary, specially
    online one, is created.

    This group is created, in regard of Nova Roma law, as a sodalitas
    college and, as such, has under it the same rights and obligations as
    every sodalitas college.

    This college is called « NR Clan » and in Latin « Collegium Omnium
    Ludorum Et Video-Interretialium » (abbreviation: « C.O.L.E.VI. »).


    Article 3 : Control of this sodalitas by Nova Roma

    The control exerced by Nova Roma on this sodalitas is made by the
    curule aediles in their gaming competency .

    This control is a minimal one. In order to preserve the possibility
    for NR Clan of a self-governance and development, the aediles, except
    if they are personally concerned as gamers, do not thus take part to
    the daily management and life of this group. They limit their control
    to the fields mentioned hereafter.


    Article 4 : Support of « NR Clan » by Nova Roma

    Nova Roma supports « NR Clan ». This support is brought to give an
    additional service to Nova Roma citizens and make aware other gamers
    of Roman values and civilization and of what Nova Roma can propose
    them. This support will thus take the following forms:

    - hosting of NR Clan web pages inside Nova Roma web site;

    - assistance of the aedilician team in every required fields,
    according the available means of the aedilitas;

    - hosting gaming contests in Nova Roma venues or with its support.


    In this frame, Nova Roma may, by its concerned aedile or aedilician
    delegate:

    - put an end to one or all these abovementioned services;

    - use its right of veto inside the college. For Nova Roma is given,
    in NR Clan status, a right of veto which does not concern NR Clan
    daily life, but concerns just any modification of the name of the
    «clan», of its references to Roman values, or of the positive and
    friendly position of this group towards Nova Roma.


    Article 5 : Enforcement of the present edict

    Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must, as far
    as each one is concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be
    published in the Tabularium Novae Romae at the following address,
    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Tabularium_%28Nova_Roma%29, and
    in Nova Roma Yahoo! relevant lists.


    Issued in Cadomagus, Gallia, a.d. XVII Kal. Maias MMDCCLXI a.u.c.
    (15 April 2008 c.c.) during the consulate of M. Moravius Piscinus
    Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56322 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-16
    Subject: Re: Srious Qustion-Roman Places ?
    Salve:
    you are hearing a deafening silence, because apart from the Getty
    Museum, there just aren't real 'Roman' places in the United States,
    we are a young country.
    What you can find is a life size copy of the Parthenon in
    Nashville, Tennessee and Roman architecture in famous monuments in
    Washington D.C.

    Right now we are trying to plan our 1st North American Conventus.
    It's difficult as the U.S. is as huge as all of Europe. We do have a
    civis Merlinia who is well known for Roman cooking; she lives in New
    Jersey. So you can see that distance is a difficulty to be overcome.

    But as a senator on the Conventus committee I truly believe if we do
    have a NRconventus every year then we will build up more and more.
    Ultimately I hope for a NRColonia, probably in Hispania. But there
    is the gorgeous climate & land in Provincia Mexico to think on:)
    optime vale
    M. Hortensia Maior
    Senatrix
    Questrix Albucio
    scriba Censoris CFBM
    sacerdos Mentis

    >
    > Salve,
    >
    > dear Romans, I hope the question I asked has not been understood
    as me making fun of the community
    > or is interpreted as extreme naivity, zynism or irony et. !
    > I really want to know if there are public places or businesses of
    the NR community which are meeting places or places which are used
    as such but not run by NR or a member.
    > Somebody told me for exampel that there must be a Restaurnt
    somewhere which serves Apicius dishes.
    >
    > Well, is there something or something planned by NR?
    >
    > I hope this explanes a little bit better that I ask you all a
    serious question.
    >
    > Thank you all for reading and may the gods bless your day.
    >
    > Valete
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message ----
    > From: adriano.rota <adriano.rota@...>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:39:56 PM
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Places ?
    >
    > C.Aqui. Salutem plurimam dicit,
    >
    > does anybody know where one can find real roman places to go to in
    the
    > U.S.?
    >
    > For example: Temples, Markets, Taberns, Restaurants or Hotels?
    >
    > The only one I can think of is the Getty Mueum in CA.
    >
    > Please let me know
    >
    > Valete
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56323 From: Adriano Rota Date: 2008-04-16
    Subject: Re: M.Hortnsia Maior - asking for permission-Roman Places ?
    Gaius Aquillius Rota cordo spd,
     
    Dear and honorable Senator,

    I am very pleased to get a feed back on that issue from you and want to thank you for that.
     
    I asked this question because I will open a small Roman Restaurant (plus B&B in the future) within the coming month. My dear wife and I worked at this project for the last 9 months. It is not a huge place but I have some land around it which I would like to use for events like exhibitions ,
    displays or demonstrations of Roman living etc.
    I was show cooking for European state museums and have a good idea of how to do this. I have extensiv experience as a hospitality manager under "Guide Michein" standards.
    Rooms are decorated with reproductions of the third and fourth pompeian stile frescos.
     
    All citizens are wellcome to see us.
    I will also develope a special discount program for all citizens.
     
    Herewith I want to ask formally for permission to use the NR flag (handpainted on linen and not yet produced) as a decor piece at a wall inside and one fagpole outside.
     
    Please let me know if I can be of any help on the way to make NR a reality.
     
    With my highest respect
     
    Di te incolumem custodiant

     
    ----- Original Message ----
    From: Maior <rory12001@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:02:08 PM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Srious Qustion-Roman Places ?

    Salve:
    you are hearing a deafening silence, because apart from the Getty
    Museum, there just aren't real 'Roman' places in the United States,
    we are a young country.
    What you can find is a life size copy of the Parthenon in
    Nashville, Tennessee and Roman architecture in famous monuments in
    Washington D.C.

    Right now we are trying to plan our 1st North American Conventus.
    It's difficult as the U.S. is as huge as all of Europe. We do have a
    civis Merlinia who is well known for Roman cooking; she lives in New
    Jersey. So you can see that distance is a difficulty to be overcome.

    But as a senator on the Conventus committee I truly believe if we do
    have a NRconventus every year then we will build up more and more.
    Ultimately I hope for a NRColonia, probably in Hispania. But there
    is the gorgeous climate & land in Provincia Mexico to think on:)
    optime vale
    M. Hortensia Maior
    Senatrix
    Questrix Albucio
    scriba Censoris CFBM
    sacerdos Mentis

    >
    > Salve,
    >
    > dear Romans, I hope the question I asked has not been understood
    as me making fun of the community
    > or is interpreted as extreme naivity, zynism or irony et. !
    > I really want to know if there are public places or businesses of
    the NR community which are meeting places or places which are used
    as such but not run by NR or a member.
    > Somebody told me for exampel that there must be a Restaurnt
    somewhere which serves Apicius dishes.
    >
    > Well, is there something or something planned by NR?
    >
    > I hope this explanes a little bit better that I ask you all a
    serious question.
    >
    > Thank you all for reading and may the gods bless your day.
    >
    > Valete
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message ----
    > From:
    adriano.rota <adriano.rota@ ...>
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:39:56 PM
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Places ?
    >
    > C.Aqui. Salutem plurimam dicit,
    >
    > does anybody know where one can find real roman places to go to in
    the
    > U.S.?
    >
    > For example: Temples, Markets, Taberns, Restaurants or Hotels?
    >
    > The only one I can think of is the Getty Mueum in CA.
    >
    > Please let me know
    >
    > Valete
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56324 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-04-16
    Subject: Re: Subscriptions to chariot races: please use private mail address
    Salve Placidus:
     
    Hi! I'd like to be a chariot racer but I don't have a chariot! Tell me what Should I do!
     
    Vale
     
    LVCIVS.FIDELIUS.LVSITANVS.SPD.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:09 AM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Subscriptions to chariot races: please use private mail address

    Salvete omnes.
    I would like to remind to all citizens who may wish to enter their chariot in the Chariot Races, which are going to take place during the Ludi Ceriales, to use my PRIVATE e-mail address i.e. ugo.coppola@ tin.it .

    Please DO NOT post subscribtions here on the main list.

    Optime valete,
    Publius Constantinus Placidus
    Aedilis Plebis Novaæ Romæ

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56325 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-16
    Subject: Re: Subscriptions to chariot races: please use private mail address
    Salve Lusitane,

    LVCIVS.FIDELIUS.LVSITANVS <brunocantermi@...> writes:

    > Hi! I'd like to be a chariot racer but I don't have a chariot! Tell
    > me what Should I do!

    First, you should join one of the racing teams. I'd be pleased if you
    joined Albata, but any one of the four will work. Once you're in a
    team, join its mailing list and talk to your team members about
    developing a chariot with driver and racing plan.

    Vale,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56326 From: C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Date: 2008-04-17
    Subject: Re: Subscriptions to chariot races: please use private mail address
    C. Aurelia Falco Silvana P. Constantine Placide SPD

    Thank you for your message.

    Unfortunately, the e-mail you have embedded is not a "live link"
    so we cannot click on it to communicate with you. If you use
    only the e-mail system, you may not be aware of this. Here is
    the link to your message as it appears on the main list:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/56318

    Yahoo automatically makes the e-mail address incomplete, so we
    cannot use it to send entries to you.

    L. Vitellius Triarius may be able to help you resolve this
    issue. NR also needs to ask Yahoo Groups why the private
    "send e-mail" button on your messages is sending messages
    instead to the Main List.

    Vale bene in pace Deorum
    Silvana

    Thank you
    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Ugo Coppola" <ugo.coppola@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salvete omnes.
    > I would like to remind to all citizens who may wish to enter their
    > chariot in the Chariot Races, which are going to take place during the
    > Ludi Ceriales, to use my PRIVATE e-mail address i.e. ugo.coppola@...
    > .
    >
    > Please DO NOT post subscribtions here on the main list.
    >
    > Optime valete,
    > Publius Constantinus Placidus
    > Aedilis Plebis Novaæ Romæ
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56327 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-17
    Subject: Sending private messages to people using the Yahoo message interface
    Salvete omnes,

    When you use the Yahoo message interface to send a private message to
    a person based on a message they've posted to Nova-Roma or another
    Yahoo mailing list, it is necessary to click on the address field to
    select their private address. Otherwise the message will be sent to
    the full mailing list.

    When you click on the address field, you'll be given a choice of

    a. The mailing list (eg: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com)
    b. The sender (eg: LuciusTiddlipus@...)
    c. The moderators (eg: Nova-Roma-owner@yahoogroups.com)

    Be sure to select choice b if your intent is to send a private note.

    Magistrates wishing to propogate their e-mail addresses should know
    that Yahoo will cut off anything after the @ symbol in an e-mail
    address in the interest of protecting privacy. Therefore, when giving
    out an e-mail address put it in the form of LuciusTiddlipus at
    novaroma dot org and let people put in the appropriate symbols.

    Valete,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56328 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-17
    Subject: Chariot Race: No more entries accepted!
    Salvete omnes.
    With a three-day advance on the April 20 deadline, I have to put an end to the entries for this year's Ludi Ceriales chariot race. Indeed, according to the current Regulae ludorum, no more than four chariots may be involved in each race. This makes a total of sixteen allowed entrants (four rounds of quarter-final, two rounds of semi-final, one final round). But during the last 2-3 weeks I have received more than sixteen entries - indeed right now I have seventeen. So, unfortunately, I cannot accept the seventeenth entry I received, i.e. chariot Velociraptor, driven by Spandex the Vandal and entered/owned by C. Aurelia Falco Silvana. However, I shall remember this entry by counting it automatically into the next batch of chariot races for this year, which shall take place in November during the Ludi Plebeii.

    The races shall take place as one round per day, starting on April 21 and ending on April 27, last day of this year's Ludi Ceriales.

    Bene valete,
    Publius Constantinus Placidus
    Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56329 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-04-17
    Subject: Venator ex machina
    Avate omnes;

    I now have a pacemaker, implanted about 28 hours ago as I type.

    This IS absolutely ties to the blackouts about which I wrote in January.

    ALL testing (bloodwork, regular ekg, ultrasound, x-ray, etc.) came
    back mormal for a man my age.

    So, they put me on a heart monitor for an overnight stay. My heart
    did not beat several times; 24 and 18 seconds being the longest
    pauses. My heart restarted without intervention.

    The cardiologist and other doctors are sure I'm now good for many years to come.

    =========================================
    In amicitia quod fides -
    Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
    Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

    Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

    Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

    http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
    http://www.myspace.com/stefnullarsson
    http://ullarsskald01.Writing.Com/
    http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
    http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
    --
    May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
    May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
    May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56330 From: luciaiuliaaquila Date: 2008-04-17
    Subject: Re: Roman Places ?
    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "adriano.rota" <adriano.rota@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > C.Aqui. Salutem plurimam dicit,
    >
    > does anybody know where one can find real roman places to go to in
    the
    > U.S.?
    >
    > For example: Temples, Markets, Taberns, Restaurants or Hotels?
    >
    > The only one I can think of is the Getty Mueum in CA.
    >
    > Please let me know
    >
    > Valete
    >
    Salve amici,
    Many government buildings, particularly those less modern built
    before the first half of the 20th century are built with Greco-Roman
    Architecture. The closest open monument here in Tennessee is an exact
    replica of the Parthenon complete with Statue of Athena, of course
    Greek rather than Roman: http://www.nashville.gov/parthenon/
    The Met in NY has an incredible gallery of Greco-Roman art and
    sculpture: http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/installation_gr.asp
    In South Carolina there are many antebellum mansions based on Greco
    Roman Architecture. Beyond that in most areas the closest to Roman is
    in the Italian nieghborhoods.
    In most states there are Renaissance Fairs but few public Roman
    Festivals. I think they are afraid of having a bit of hedonistic fun;)
    I hope this helps somewhat,
    Vale`
    L. Iulia Aquila
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56331 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-17
    Subject: Re: Venator ex machina
    SALVE!

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus"
    <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

    > The cardiologist and other doctors are sure I'm now good for many
    years to come.>>>

    These are good news. I'm glad to hear all is ok. I wish you all the
    best.

    OPTIME VALE,
    IVL SABINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56332 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-04-17
    Subject: Re: Venator ex machina

    Severus Venatori omnibusque sal.

     

    I am very glad, respected friend, to know that your health is really good. We need you here and you have a lot to do around here in the years to come...

     

    Vale et valete optime,

    M•IVL•SEVERVS
    PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ



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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56333 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-18
    Subject: Re: De jure - A. Sempronio
    Salve,

    If you were a Ph.D from a world-class university
    in the subject, you'd know (as others here have
    emailed me privately) I have provided plenty of
    clues to the references (I am a Ph.d from such a
    university in said subject). I like you (although
    we have never met personally) but I'm torn, why do
    your homework when I had to dig deep to find it myself
    in order to do an academic double-blind
    review article?

    As it seems to me, I've given you a golden chance to
    academically publish and beat me -- as a gift.

    I'm in my retirement years.

    If you can't find the clues to the references and
    their meaning, they shall be forthcoming after I know
    my article is in the works (copyright).

    Again, I highly esteem your intellect, your emotional
    balance, and your knowledge displayed here. I am a
    Ph.D (which basically means one has shown not only a
    mastery, Master's Degree, of inherited tradition but
    is able to recover/heal/research and restore lost
    knowledge -- hence "Doctor" -- restorer and healer of
    lost/unknown knowledge -- hence a research degree
    above the masterful teaching degree -- Masters),
    retired, and working on an article I really don't
    need to add to my laurels.

    Once again, offered as a gift, do your homework
    in the sources I've alluded to, and you win your
    academic reputation.

    If not, once I know my article is published in an
    academic journal, I will share sources here as I
    emailed you about a year ago.



    --- "A. Apollonius Cordus"
    <a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:

    > A. Apolonius A. Sempronio sal.
    >
    > > Fourth, I mentioned a while back that there is
    > > evidence that before the empire (and perhaps the
    > late
    > > Republic during the time of the dictators) that
    > the
    > > office of pontifex maximus, in constrast to the
    > other
    > > pontiffs which were lifetime appointments, was an
    > > annual position. I also indicated that the office
    > was
    > > not that of high priest but sort of the press
    > > secretary/liason between the college of pontiffs
    > and
    > > the king, later between the college of pontiffs
    > and
    > > senate. High priest was rex sacorum, followed by
    > the
    > > three major flamines, and fourth in rank was the
    > > pontifex maximus. Cordus asked me to find where I
    > had
    > > read that, and finally, I have.
    >
    > Thank you. It was specifically the point about
    > annual tenure of office that I was interested in:
    > the further points you make are ones I'd entirely
    > endorse.
    >
    > > It comes out of an interesting story....
    >
    > That was indeed a very interesting story, and I
    > thank you for telling it. I hope you'll forgive me,
    > however, if I continue to ask whether you could help
    > me work out where I can find the relevant evidence
    > and discussion of it. Was anything published?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca


    Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
    Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur. - Pliny
    Ubi spiritus est cantus est. - Sempronius Atratinus

    ANNI MMDCCLXI AVC





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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56334 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-18
    Subject: Re: Research Methods and Raw Materials // jure - A. Sempronio
    Salvete,

    Let us open a very open and simple dialog that
    everyone here can follow. The first step is
    quite literally knowing the physical nature of our
    original source materials.

    Yes?



    --- "A. Sempronius Regulus"
    <a_sempronius_regulus@...> wrote:

    > Salve,
    >
    > If you were a Ph.D from a world-class university
    > in the subject, you'd know (as others here have
    > emailed me privately) I have provided plenty of
    > clues to the references (I am a Ph.d from such a
    > university in said subject). I like you (although
    > we have never met personally) but I'm torn, why do
    > your homework when I had to dig deep to find it
    > myself
    > in order to do an academic double-blind
    > review article?
    >
    > As it seems to me, I've given you a golden chance to
    > academically publish and beat me -- as a gift.
    >
    > I'm in my retirement years.
    >
    > If you can't find the clues to the references and
    > their meaning, they shall be forthcoming after I
    > know
    > my article is in the works (copyright).
    >
    > Again, I highly esteem your intellect, your
    > emotional
    > balance, and your knowledge displayed here. I am a
    > Ph.D (which basically means one has shown not only a
    > mastery, Master's Degree, of inherited tradition but
    > is able to recover/heal/research and restore lost
    > knowledge -- hence "Doctor" -- restorer and healer
    > of
    > lost/unknown knowledge -- hence a research degree
    > above the masterful teaching degree -- Masters),
    > retired, and working on an article I really don't
    > need to add to my laurels.
    >
    > Once again, offered as a gift, do your homework
    > in the sources I've alluded to, and you win your
    > academic reputation.
    >
    > If not, once I know my article is published in an
    > academic journal, I will share sources here as I
    > emailed you about a year ago.
    >
    >
    >
    > --- "A. Apollonius Cordus"
    > <a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:
    >
    > > A. Apolonius A. Sempronio sal.
    > >
    > > > Fourth, I mentioned a while back that there is
    > > > evidence that before the empire (and perhaps the
    > > late
    > > > Republic during the time of the dictators) that
    > > the
    > > > office of pontifex maximus, in constrast to the
    > > other
    > > > pontiffs which were lifetime appointments, was
    > an
    > > > annual position. I also indicated that the
    > office
    > > was
    > > > not that of high priest but sort of the press
    > > > secretary/liason between the college of pontiffs
    > > and
    > > > the king, later between the college of pontiffs
    > > and
    > > > senate. High priest was rex sacorum, followed by
    > > the
    > > > three major flamines, and fourth in rank was the
    > > > pontifex maximus. Cordus asked me to find where
    > I
    > > had
    > > > read that, and finally, I have.
    > >
    > > Thank you. It was specifically the point about
    > > annual tenure of office that I was interested in:
    > > the further points you make are ones I'd entirely
    > > endorse.
    > >
    > > > It comes out of an interesting story....
    > >
    > > That was indeed a very interesting story, and I
    > > thank you for telling it. I hope you'll forgive
    > me,
    > > however, if I continue to ask whether you could
    > help
    > > me work out where I can find the relevant evidence
    > > and discussion of it. Was anything published?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    ___________________________________________________________
    > >
    > > Yahoo! For Good helps you make a difference
    > >
    > > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/
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    >
    >
    > A. Sempronius Regulus
    >
    > Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca
    >
    >
    > Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
    > Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur. - Pliny
    > Ubi spiritus est cantus est. - Sempronius Atratinus
    >
    > ANNI MMDCCLXI AVC
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    Vincit qui se vincit. - Seneca


    Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
    Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur. - Pliny
    Ubi spiritus est cantus est. - Sempronius Atratinus

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56335 From: A. Sempronius Regulus Date: 2008-04-18
    Subject: Re: Research Methods and Raw Materials // jure - A. Sempronio
    Salvete,

    My friend Cordus, if I have put you in the hot spot,
    it is not my purpose. Rather, I would like to
    encourage you to maximize your talents in researching
    legal history (pursue your training in the
    macro-world) while, together, we step by step, in our
    dialog, gradually show how academically and
    scientifically reconstructionist research is done.
    Historically, everything is more or less probable
    hypotheses. Our citizens should know this.

    The beginning step is the raw physical sources
    of Roman law and their nature and dates, yes?


    --- "A. Sempronius Regulus"
    <a_sempronius_regulus@...> wrote:

    > Salvete,
    >
    > Let us open a very open and simple dialog that
    > everyone here can follow. The first step is
    > quite literally knowing the physical nature of our
    > original source materials.
    >
    > Yes?
    >
    >
    >
    > --- "A. Sempronius Regulus"
    > <a_sempronius_regulus@...> wrote:
    >
    > > Salve,
    > >
    > > If you were a Ph.D from a world-class university
    > > in the subject, you'd know (as others here have
    > > emailed me privately) I have provided plenty of
    > > clues to the references (I am a Ph.d from such a
    > > university in said subject). I like you (although
    > > we have never met personally) but I'm torn, why do
    > > your homework when I had to dig deep to find it
    > > myself
    > > in order to do an academic double-blind
    > > review article?
    > >
    > > As it seems to me, I've given you a golden chance
    > to
    > > academically publish and beat me -- as a gift.
    > >
    > > I'm in my retirement years.
    > >
    > > If you can't find the clues to the references and
    > > their meaning, they shall be forthcoming after I
    > > know
    > > my article is in the works (copyright).
    > >
    > > Again, I highly esteem your intellect, your
    > > emotional
    > > balance, and your knowledge displayed here. I am a
    > > Ph.D (which basically means one has shown not only
    > a
    > > mastery, Master's Degree, of inherited tradition
    > but
    > > is able to recover/heal/research and restore lost
    > > knowledge -- hence "Doctor" -- restorer and healer
    > > of
    > > lost/unknown knowledge -- hence a research degree
    > > above the masterful teaching degree -- Masters),
    > > retired, and working on an article I really don't
    > > need to add to my laurels.
    > >
    > > Once again, offered as a gift, do your homework
    > > in the sources I've alluded to, and you win your
    > > academic reputation.
    > >
    > > If not, once I know my article is published in an
    > > academic journal, I will share sources here as I
    > > emailed you about a year ago.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --- "A. Apollonius Cordus"
    > > <a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:
    > >
    > > > A. Apolonius A. Sempronio sal.
    > > >
    > > > > Fourth, I mentioned a while back that there is
    > > > > evidence that before the empire (and perhaps
    > the
    > > > late
    > > > > Republic during the time of the dictators)
    > that
    > > > the
    > > > > office of pontifex maximus, in constrast to
    > the
    > > > other
    > > > > pontiffs which were lifetime appointments, was
    > > an
    > > > > annual position. I also indicated that the
    > > office
    > > > was
    > > > > not that of high priest but sort of the press
    > > > > secretary/liason between the college of
    > pontiffs
    > > > and
    > > > > the king, later between the college of
    > pontiffs
    > > > and
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    > > > > pontifex maximus. Cordus asked me to find
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    > > > had
    > > > > read that, and finally, I have.
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    > > > Thank you. It was specifically the point about
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    > > > the further points you make are ones I'd
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    > > > That was indeed a very interesting story, and I
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    > > me,
    > > > however, if I continue to ask whether you could
    > > help
    > > > me work out where I can find the relevant
    > evidence
    > > > and discussion of it. Was anything published?
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    > > Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
    > > Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur. -
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    > > Ubi spiritus est cantus est. - Sempronius
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    > Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
    > Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur. - Pliny
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    Vivere disce, cogita mori. - Cicero
    Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur. - Pliny
    Ubi spiritus est cantus est. - Sempronius Atratinus

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56336 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-19
    Subject: Citizens! Keep your e-mail information up to date!, 4/19/2008, 12:00
    Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
     
    Title:   Citizens! Keep your e-mail information up to date!
     
    Date:   Saturday April 19, 2008
    Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
    Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
    Notes:   If you have changed your e-mail address recently, don't forget to update your Album Civium and wiki accounts. Our password recovery tools need to have your correct address to work.

    Multas gratias vobis agimus.

    Magistri aranearii
     
    Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56337 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-19
    Subject: The 2761th Parilia of Rome - The 10th Parilia of Nova Roma
    Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, sacerdos Concordiae, sacerdos Pannoniae, quaestor, legatus pro praetore: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, Senatui Populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam:

    Salvete, Quirites!

    After tomorrow there will be the PARILIA!
    The Foundation Day of the Old Rome, on the 21st April.

    The greatest day of Rome: the Foundation Day of Rome!

    To celebrate this, a special sacrifice will be conducted to Goddess Concordia, too. Let's prepare your souls to the Parilia, the 2761st birthday of Rome. This Parilia will be a special one, since it is in the 10th Year of Our Nova Roma!

    As the Parilia comes nearer, I encourage everybody to pray Goddess Concordia for the Nova Roman Agreement, for the a Creative Peace and Social Cooperation. With Her help and support we can be a powerful, great, worldwide and worldclass movement: the modern Roman Movement for the restoration of classical Roman religion, culture and virtues.

    YOU CAN SEND YOUR PARILIA PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!

    I especially ask you, Magistrates and Senators: send me your prayers to Concordia and I will allocate them in the Virtual Temple of Concordia of the Nova Roman People:

    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/
    Aedes_Concordiae_Populi_Novi_Romani_%28Nova_Roma%29

    Visit the Virtual Temple of Concordia and leave a personal prayer for the 2761th Parilia!

    PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!


    Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    SACERDOS CONCORDIALIS











    Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
    La casella di posta intelligente.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56338 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Notice of Appeal
    Salvete Nova Romans

    I want to serve notice that after the first appeal on behalf of Lucius
    Equitius Cincinnatus Augur has been heard we shall be appealing the second
    trial verdict as well . Even though there are no legal deadlines that must
    be met I wanted our intent to file this second trial appeal on the record

    Valete

    Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56339 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

    Maybe you should call Judge Judy? 

    Vale:

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

    On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

    Salvete Nova Romans

    I want to serve notice that after the first appeal on behalf of Lucius
    Equitius Cincinnatus Augur has been heard we shall be appealing the second
    trial verdict as well . Even though there are no legal deadlines that must
    be met I wanted our intent to file this second trial appeal on the record

    Valete

    Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56340 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    In a message dated 4/20/2008 1:32:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tau.athanasios@... writes:
    Maybe you should call Judge Judy? 
    Maybe we should, Modainus.  At least she'd be impartial.  And she wouldn't suppress vital evidence.  Oh right it's a TV show.  Just like NR, it's entertainment.
     
    Q. Fabius Maximus




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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56341 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    <Maybe you should call Judge Judy? 
    <Vale:
    <Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

    I see that Modianus displaying the Nova Roman virtue of Nastyness. I thought that he and his sidekick Piscinus would still be out celebrating that they managed to rid themselves of yet another Nova Roman that they dislike-- Lucius Equitius. Who's next on their hit list I wonder?
     
    Diana Octavia
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56342 From: M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    Salve Galeri Pauline et salvete omnes,
     
    why? I understood that Cincinnatus  did not recognize the legality of the novaroman tribunals.
     
    So what he needs to appeal my sentences?
     
    He has a lot of friends and clientes who give the face by him and who are able to threaten the smooth running of our society, through blackmail and threat.
     
    Nobody has the right to misappropriate the personal contributions of others made in good faith and in the belief that there is talk with serious people who work for Nova Roma and the Religio and not just for themselves.
     
    Nobody has right to making believe to the others that he create a mailing list to facilitate the work jointly of a group of persons, and later to get hold of all the contributions that are done in above mentioned ready, put in danger the future of Nova Roma and the restoration of the Religio Romana.
     
     
     
    Vale
     
    M. Curiatius Complutensis
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56343 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: PARILIA TOMORROW!
    Cn. Lentulus Quiritibus salutem:

    It's a reminder to our magistrates and fellow citizens:

    THE 2761st PARILIA OF ROME AND THE 10TH ONE OF NOVA ROMA WILL BE HELD TOMORROW!

    Magistrates!

    Do not forget to offer sacrifices to the Immortal Gods of Rome and Nova Roma.

    Citizens, who practise the Roman Religion!

    Make your houshold rituals at your larariums tomorrow. Ask the Immortals and especially Pales, Quirinus, Dea Roma and Dea Concordia (whose sacred year is this) for their benevolence and support towards Nova Roma and the Roman Resurrection's Movement.

    Citizens, who are Christians!

    Ask the Omnipotent God to bless and support our Nova Roma, our community and the Roman revivalists through over the world.

    Citizens, who don't have religion!

    Commemorate the 21st April with reading Livy's books or the Aeneid, or just lighting a candle, or opening a bottle of Italian wine.


    Hail Parilia!

    CN CORNELIVS LENTVLVS
    Sacerdos Concordialis



    Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
    La casella di posta intelligente.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56344 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    Cn. Iulius Caesar Praetori M. Curiatio Complutensi S.P.D

    Why?

    Because it is his right, but recently you clearly demonstrated a
    total disregard for rights enshrined in Constitution and in the law,
    so I am not surprised you have the utter gall to ask that question.

    As for the rest of your fear mongering, you should remember that as
    Praetor you are responsible for good order in this forum, and it is
    therefore hardly appropriate that you make ridiculous statements
    about blackmail and threats.

    You presided over a kangeroo court and this will be amply
    demonstrated in the future, and your wild claims about the demise of
    Nova Roma exposed for what they are, namely a smokescreen to cover up
    wrong doing, both your own and on the part of those that would
    manipulate the law in order to see a political opponent eradicated.

    Vale
    Caesar

    http://gnaeusiuliuscaesar.blogspot.com/


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
    <complutensis@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salve Galeri Pauline et salvete omnes,
    >
    > why? I understood that Cincinnatus did not recognize the legality
    of the novaroman tribunals.
    >
    > So what he needs to appeal my sentences?
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56345 From: M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    M. Curiatius Complutensis Iulio SPD
     
    The question was not sent to you, but you have written and I will answer you:
     
    Yes it is his right but Cincinatus still does not recognize  the authority of the rules set out in NR, while we recognize that it is his right he does not recognize ours rights.
     
    Blackmails, threats and also insults.  For the insults I only need to read your ridiculous blog. For the blackmails I only need to read the messages of Octavius Gracchus in the web of Nova Roma. For the threats I only need to read the private messages that I have received from your amici and this your message where you insult not only me but all the cives of Nova Roma.
     
    You see conspiracies, but not bring evidences.
     
    You do not see as Cincinnatus has betrayed his colleagues and Religion Romana.
     
    Vale
     
     
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56346 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    Cn. Iulius Caesar Praetori M. Curiatio Complutensi S.P.D

    If you wanted only Paulinus to reply you should have sent it to him
    privately.

    The fact that Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus demonstrated little faith
    in the fairness and equity of the process" you presided over, is not
    an indication that he doesn't recognize the laws and Constitution of
    Nova Roma, but rather that he doesn't recognize you did to them in
    pursuit of the goal of ejecting him from the Collegium Augurum and
    Nova Roma.

    As to my blog, well it is always nice to know that firstly you read
    it and secondly you had the depth of perception to identify yourself
    in there. Sadly you obviously lack the degree of perception to
    understand why you got cast there in the roles you were, namely your
    blatant and partisan use of the law to further the aims of the
    current junta in power. I will endeavor in future to make the points
    there more simplistic so that you don't have to struggle with
    discerning the message.

    The moment you as Praetor became so blatantly party to the hijacking
    of the laws and Constitution of Nova Roma for the purpose of staging
    a political show trial, you lost any right to hide in obscurity and
    not be subject to the most rigorous of criticism, from any quarter.

    I also think it is time you stopped claiming that any detrimental
    points directed at you are by default directed at the citizen body of
    Nova Roma. It really marks you down as someone unable to stand on his
    own two feet in a debate. You are not Nova Roma, and by allowing your
    office to be used in the way it was, you are even further removed
    from the Constitution and laws that you are meant to administer,
    uphold and protect.

    Vale
    Caesar

    http://gnaeusiuliuscaesar.blogspot.com/


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
    <complutensis@...> wrote:
    >
    > M. Curiatius Complutensis Iulio SPD
    >
    > The question was not sent to you, but you have written and I will
    answer you:
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56347 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    Its so cute Diana to see a cheer leader in action.  Its so adorable to see you cheering for your team :)

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

    On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Diana Octavia Aventina <diana@...> wrote:

    <Maybe you should call Judge Judy? 
    <Vale:
    <Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

    I see that Modianus displaying the Nova Roman virtue of Nastyness. I thought that he and his sidekick Piscinus would still be out celebrating that they managed to rid themselves of yet another Nova Roman that they dislike-- Lucius Equitius. Who's next on their hit list I wonder?
     
    Diana Octavia

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56348 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    Save the Cheerleader. Save the World.
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Notice of Appeal

    Its so cute Diana to see a cheer leader in action.  Its so adorable to see you cheering for your team :)

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

    On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Diana Octavia Aventina <diana@...> wrote:

    <Maybe you should call Judge Judy? 
    <Vale:
    <Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

    I see that Modianus displaying the Nova Roman virtue of Nastyness. I thought that he and his sidekick Piscinus would still be out celebrating that they managed to rid themselves of yet another Nova Roman that they dislike-- Lucius Equitius. Who's next on their hit list I wonder?
     
    Diana Octavia

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56349 From: M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    M. Curiatius Complutensis  Iulio SPD
     
    I understand that is completely useless to try to reason with people who do not realize that Nova Roma is not the toy of a few.
     
    Vale
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:49 PM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Notice of Appeal

    Cn. Iulius Caesar Praetori M. Curiatio Complutensi S.P.D

    If you wanted only Paulinus to reply you should have sent it to him
    privately.

    The fact that Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus demonstrated little faith
    in the fairness and equity of the process" you presided over, is not
    an indication that he doesn't recognize the laws and Constitution of
    Nova Roma, but rather that he doesn't recognize you did to them in
    pursuit of the goal of ejecting him from the Collegium Augurum and
    Nova Roma.

    As to my blog, well it is always nice to know that firstly you read
    it and secondly you had the depth of perception to identify yourself
    in there. Sadly you obviously lack the degree of perception to
    understand why you got cast there in the roles you were, namely your
    blatant and partisan use of the law to further the aims of the
    current junta in power. I will endeavor in future to make the points
    there more simplistic so that you don't have to struggle with
    discerning the message.

    The moment you as Praetor became so blatantly party to the hijacking
    of the laws and Constitution of Nova Roma for the purpose of staging
    a political show trial, you lost any right to hide in obscurity and
    not be subject to the most rigorous of criticism, from any quarter.

    I also think it is time you stopped claiming that any detrimental
    points directed at you are by default directed at the citizen body of
    Nova Roma. It really marks you down as someone unable to stand on his
    own two feet in a debate. You are not Nova Roma, and by allowing your
    office to be used in the way it was, you are even further removed
    from the Constitution and laws that you are meant to administer,
    uphold and protect.

    Vale
    Caesar

    http://gnaeusiulius caesar.blogspot. com/

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTEN SIS
    <complutensis@ ...> wrote:
    >
    > M. Curiatius Complutensis Iulio SPD
    >
    > The question was not sent to you, but you have written and I will
    answer you:

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56350 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    Cn. Iulius Caesar Praetori M. Curiatio Complutensi S.P.D

    What a strange coincidence! I was feeling the same about trying to
    spell out to you why hijacking the law and abusing the Constitution
    in support of a political show trial was probably useless as you
    clearly don't understand that Nova Roma, its laws and Constitution is
    not the toy of a few in the current junta to play with, in order to
    settle old scores.

    However, rest assured in the future you will have your chance to try
    again to make yourself understood, and defend your actions.


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
    <complutensis@...> wrote:
    >
    > M. Curiatius Complutensis Iulio SPD
    >
    > I understand that is completely useless to try to reason with
    people who do not realize that Nova Roma is not the toy of a few.
    >
    > Vale
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56351 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    Salve Praetor,

    M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> writes:

    > Salve Galeri Pauline et salvete omnes,

    Well, that omnes part includes me.

    > why?

    Because provocatio is a right guaranteed to all under our
    Constitution. No other reason need be given. I strongly recommend
    that you refrain from further comments since we now know that
    provocatio will be invoked.

    Furthermore, I recommend everyone else refrain from comment.

    Vale,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56353 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-20
    Subject: File - EDICTUM DE SERMONE
    Ex officio praetorum:

    The Nova-Roma mailing list is the principal forum for Nova Roma.
    Citizens of Nova Roma and interested non-citizens alike are welcome. All users, citizen and non-citizen alike, shall abide by these rules when posting to the Nova Roma mailing list. Violations of these rules will result in corrective action, which may include banning from the list for non-citizens and restriction of posting privileges for citizens.


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    I. Language

    Nova Roma's official business language is English, and its official ceremonial language is Latin. There are other non-official languages that must be considered as common use languages, due to the international nature of the Nova Roman community. To insure timely posting, write your posts in English, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Latin, Portuguese or Spanish. If you write your posts in languages other than the above mentioned, they may be delayed for some time until the moderators can obtain a translation.



    All official government documents must appear in English/Latin as well as whatever vernacular languages are relevant.



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    II. Topics of discussion

    Nova Roman business, community, governmental, religious, and other state activities

    The culture, religion, sociology, politics, history, archaeology, and philosophy of Roma Antiqua, ancient Greece, the ancient Near East, and other cultures with which the ancient Romans interacted.

    Discussions may sometimes go into subjects beyond these topics, but such digressions should be brief and related to the listed topics. Messages of this kind must be clearly marked as �off topic�.



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    All on-list exchanges between users of the Nova-Roma mailing list will follow these rules of civil discourse:

    Show respect for others.

    Recognize a person�s right to advocate ideas that are different from your own.

    Discuss policies and ideas without attacking people.

    Use helpful, not hurtful language.

    Write as you would like to be written to.

    Restate ideas when asked.

    Write in good faith.

    Treat what others have to say as written in good faith.

    Respectfully read and consider differing points of view.

    When unsure, clarify what you think you have read.

    Realize that what you wrote and what people understand you to have written may be different.

    Recognize that people can agree to disagree.

    Speak and write for yourself, not others.



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    The following are forbidden:

    Unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE or spam)

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    Links to external websites or files which contain material that might reasonably be deemed obscene or pornographic.



    Insulting the religious beliefs of others, and the historical basis for those beliefs, is off limits.



    This edict takes effect immediately.



    Given under our hands this 20th day of January 2761 from the founding of Roma



    M. Curiatius Complutensis

    M.Iulius Severus



    Praetores Novae Romae
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56354 From: Maior Date: 2008-04-21
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    Maior Aventiae sal;
    so where were you for the Veneralia? the Kalends of Aprilis?
    (April 1) as sacerdos Veneris it is your duty to honor Dea Venus.

    Modianus, is a pious Nova Roman who fufills his religious offices.
    That was and is the entire point.
    M. Hortensia Maior
    sacerdos Mentis

    >
    > I see that Modianus displaying the Nova Roman virtue of Nastyness.
    I
    thought that he and his sidekick Piscinus would still be out
    celebrating that they managed to rid themselves of yet another Nova
    Roman that they dislike-- Lucius Equitius. Who's next on their hit
    list I wonder?
    >
    > Diana Octavia

    >
    > I see that Modianus displaying the Nova Roman virtue of Nastyness.
    I thought that he and his sidekick Piscinus would still be out
    celebrating that they managed to rid themselves of yet another Nova
    Roman that they dislike-- Lucius Equitius. Who's next on their hit
    list I wonder?
    >
    > Diana Octavia
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56355 From: Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus Date: 2008-04-21
    Subject: A small ceremony for Palatua during the the 2761th Parilia of Rome w
    Ave Palatua et Salvete Quirites!

    To honor the city of Rome and Palatua, the Protectress of Mons
    Palatinus this the 2761th Parilia of Rome, which is the 10th Parilia
    of Nova Roma, I will do this ceremony, as it might have been done in
    ancient Rome and as I do it everyday:

    "I give a grain of salt representing the beginning of the City by the
    Via Salaria.

    DOMINA, ANTIQVA, MATER VRBIS AETERNAE.
    Lady!, Ancient One!, Mother of the Eternal City!

    ADES! SALVE PALATVA
    Be Thou present! Hail, O Palatua!

    {supplicant performs the Adoratio, and continues:}

    TE {touching breast) PRECOR QVAESOQVE
    I pray and beseech Thee,

    VT DES PACEM PROPITIA VENIAMQVE
    that Thou mayest propitiously grant peace and favor

    VRBI ET ORBI;
    to the City and the World;

    VTI NVNQVAM DESOLES TVAM POPVLVM ROMANVM,
    that Thou mayest never abandon Thy Roman People,

    HIC ET NVNCT VBICVMQVE ET SEMPER.
    here and now, everywhere and always.

    ERGO TIBI OFFERO HOC THVS:
    Therefore, to Thee I offer this grain:

    {The supplicant now offers a few grains, then concludes with the
    words:}

    ITA EST! ILLICET.
    So mote it be! So may it be granted!"

    --

    Vale

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

    Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
    Civis Romanus sum
    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
    ************************************************
    Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
    "I'll either find a way or make one"
    ************************************************
    Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
    Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
    ************************************************
    Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
    Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56356 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-21
    Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Historical quiz - Item #1
    Salvete omnes.

    Today, first official day of the Ludi Ceriales 2671 AUC, also marks the beginning of the Ipse Dixit Historical Quiz.

    Every day, starting today and up to April 27, I will be posting a batch of three questions relating to a famous Latin phrase or quotation.

    To start the whole thing off, I thought it suitable to use the game's very title as the subject matter:

    Ipse dixit

    Here are the questions for you:
    1) What does the phrase mean in English? (All kinds of translations, literal or not, are accepted)
    2) Who does the phrase refer to? (Please use the English form of his name)
    3) What purpose is the phrase commonly used for, even today? (Various answers are valid here)

    The score is as follows:
    • 2 points for each correct answer
    • 0 points for each wrong answer
    • -1 points for each missing answer (not given)
    Please send your answers directly, and privately, to me: ugo dot coppola at tin dot it (that is, ugo.coppola@... ). DO NOT reply here!

    Optime valete,
    Publius Constantinus Placidus
    Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56357 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-04-21
    Subject: Re: Venator ex machina

    Salve Venator,

     

    I’m very happy to know the doctors have managed to discovered the problem and solve it. As many have point out Nova Roma needs your calm head to remember us why we are here, even in the middle of ugly fights among ourselves.

     

    Vale optime bene amice,

     

    C. Aemilius Crassus.


     
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    ----- Original Message ----
    From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus <famila.ulleria.venii@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:50:37 PM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Venator ex machina

    Avate omnes;

    I now have a pacemaker, implanted about 28 hours ago as I type.

    This IS absolutely ties to the blackouts about which I wrote in January.

    ALL testing (bloodwork, regular ekg, ultrasound, x-ray, etc.) came
    back mormal for a man my age.

    So, they put me on a heart monitor for an overnight stay. My heart
    did not beat several times; 24 and 18 seconds being the longest
    pauses. My heart restarted without intervention.

    The cardiologist and other doctors are sure I'm now good for many years to come.

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    In amicitia quod fides -
    Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
    Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

    Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

    Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
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    May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
    May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.




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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56358 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-21
    Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC Chariot race: Quarter-finals Round 1
    Publius Constantinus Placidus reporting from the Circus Maximus, Rome.

    April 21, 2671 AUC

    It's a sunny and warm afternoon here in Rome, although it's somewhat windy – fresh winds blowing from the West, which is a real blessing as no-one, including me, is really feeling the heat! – for the official beginning of the Ludi Ceriales with the first round of a brand-new chariot race which, at least judging from the lined-up racers' appearance and attitude, announces itself as really exciting! Here they are: left to right we have Antropophagus, a rather scary-looking, toughly muscular driver, on his chariot Germanica, owned but Decimus Arminius Brutus; the older-but-solid Petronius Gnipho, who gave up his rough sailing job on the sea several years ago for the equally rough, but far more rewarding job of chariot driver, now standing at the helm of Gneus Equitius Marinus' Vita Brevis; next to him there's the well-known Syrian Impulsor, a great driver whose `fast' style has often taken him in high places, now driving Celer, owned by Tiberius Galerius Paulinus; and lastly Ambicatos, a young but very skilled Celt, long blondish hair streaming in the wind, on the bright green Sunburst, owned by Quintus Servilius Priscus.

    Everything is ready now... horses snorting, anxiously waiting for the starting flag to go down... and here they go!!! As befits its name, Celer very soon takes the lead, with Impulsor yelling victoriously, with Germanica and Sunburst closely at his heels and Vita Brevis left behind, but just a little bit. The pursuers seem to be gaining ground rather rapidly, however the first lap is clearly Celer's.

    Second lap, pretty much like the first one: Sunburst is getting a little faster than its rival Germanica – a rather clear marker that muscular strength is not everything in chariot racing... this Celt kid is evidently much more skilled than everyone (including me!!) was expecting.

    Lap number three, and surprise-surprise: the kid is leading! Impulsor's and Antropophagus's  horses have slowed down slightly during the last fraction of the second lap – maybe some pebbles on the track have gotten in the middle of their hooves? –  so Sunburst has risen to the occasion and overtook both of them within less than ten seconds. In the meantime, Petronius Gnipho on Vita Brevis is certainly not standing there with his arms folded, and has advanced close to the three top racers.

    Fourth lap... hey, but's what happening now?! Ambicatos is riding quite near the circus wall, and Impulsor on Celer is getting dangerously close to him... closer.... closer... a bit too close... and SLAM! The Celt is violently pushed against the wall by the Syrian. Horses neigh in pain, get out of rhythm, wheels screech... but the Celt, amazingly, keeps on!! Droplets of blood are trickling from his temple, staining his hair, but he doesn't seem to mind, and he continues driving, undeterred. In the ensuing riffraff, Celer loses its laboriously earned second place to Germanica.

    Fifth lap, and here we go again... Impulsor tries out his `pushing tactic' once more....this time, however, there's no kid standing next to him, but bulky Antropophagus, and he's certainly not well-disposed to let himself be slammed by anyone. Indeed, he counter-attacks Impulsor's pushes, and, amid much bickering and strong words flying between the two, they somehow manage to hold their respective positions, as the lap winds up into the...

    Sixth and final lap. A painful, fatigued Ambicatos, a blood-smeared cheek, panting, but still headstrongly determined to win,  keeps leading, taking full advantage of his tactic of hurriying in the straight lines, and at the same time having a really valid, wholesome challenger in Germanica's powerful pace and driver. Celer's Impulsor is doing his very best to get past him, but he's evidently tired from his pushing attempts and cannot get any further than a very dignified third place, while the rugged Gnipho, close next to him struggles to end the race decently. And then it's all over – a final, great stroke from Ambicatos – and he wins!!

    FINAL STANDINGS

    1st place: The Sunburst, driven by Ambicatos, owned by Quintus Servilius Priscus.

    2nd place: Germanica, driven by Antropophagus, owned by Decimus Arminius Brutus.

    3rd place: Celer, driven by Impulsor, owned by Quintus Servilius Priscus.

    4th place: Vita Brevis, driven by Petronius Gnipho, owned by Gneus Equitius Marinus.

    The Sunburst and Germanica advance to the first semi-final round. 

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56359 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-04-21
    Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
    > so where were you for the Veneralia? the Kalends of Aprilis?
    > (April 1) as sacerdos Veneris it is your duty to honor Dea Venus.

    I did, at home, but not in the name of Nova Roma, especially considering
    that I would rather have some of you be granted a Darwin Award rather than
    receive any blessings of Venus.

    But thanks for the reminder! I hereby resign my position as Sacerdos Veneris
    of Nova Roma.
    Diana Octavia Aventina

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Maior" <rory12001@...>
    To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 11:34 PM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Notice of Appeal


    > Maior Avention sal;
    > so where were you for the Veneralia? the Kalends of Aprilis?
    > (April 1) as sacerdos Veneris it is your duty to honor Dea Venus.
    >
    > Modianus, is a pious Nova Roman who fufills his religious offices.
    > That was and is the entire point.
    > M. Hortensia Maior
    > sacerdos Mentis
    >
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    >> I see that Modianus displaying the Nova Roman virtue of Nastyness. I
    > thought that he and his sidekick Piscinus would still be out
    > celebrating that they managed to rid themselves of yet another Nova
    > Roman that they dislike-- Lucius Equitius. Who's next on their hit
    > list I wonder?
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    >> Diana Octavia
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