Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Apl 21-30, 2008

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56359 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56360 From: Q·FABIA·DRVSILLA Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56361 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56362 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56363 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56364 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: LUDI CERIALES Historical Quiz: Correct answers, current standings an
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56365 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56366 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: De jure - A. Sempronio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56367 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: Research Methods and Raw Materials // jure - A. Sempronio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56368 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Chariot Race - Quarter-finals Round 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56369 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Appointment of Scriba
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56370 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Appointment of Scriba
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56371 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standings, item #3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56372 From: Gaius Aurelius Vindex Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Appointment of Scriba
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56373 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: re Notice of Appeal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56374 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: The Feriae Latinae and The Tornado Alley Roman Rally
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56375 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-04-23
Subject: A paen of thanksgiving
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56376 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-04-23
Subject: Another paean of thanksgiving
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56377 From: bhsegura Date: 2008-04-23
Subject: Celebration in honor of Neptune
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56378 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-23
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Chariot Race - Quarter-finals Round 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56379 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-23
Subject: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standings, item #4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56380 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: Official group for the Religio Romana, 4/24/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56381 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: The Interim Pontifex Maximus is back
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56382 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56383 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56384 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: Re: NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56385 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: Re: NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56386 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56387 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: Re: NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56388 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC Chariot race: Quarter-finals Round 4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56389 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: NR taxes.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56390 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-25
Subject: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standings, item #5
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56391 From: libero Date: 2008-04-25
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56392 From: Marco La Franca Date: 2008-04-25
Subject: Avete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56393 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-25
Subject: Re: Avete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56394 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-25
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC - Chariot race: Semi-final 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56395 From: waydem002 Date: 2008-04-26
Subject: Re: Avete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56396 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-26
Subject: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standings, item #6
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56397 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-26
Subject: Re: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standings, item #6
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56398 From: Marco La Franca Date: 2008-04-26
Subject: Re: Avete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56399 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-26
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC - Chariot race: Semi-final 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56400 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Photos from the meeting in Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56401 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Qui Latine scit, huc veniat!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56402 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Re: Photos from the meeting in Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56403 From: Marco La Franca Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Re: Photos from the meeting in Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56404 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Historical Quiz reminder
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56405 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Re: Photos from the meeting in Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56406 From: Q. Ovidius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Re: Photos from the meeting in Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56407 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Nova Roman Flag Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56408 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Paying taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56409 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56410 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56411 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56412 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56413 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56414 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56415 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Photos from the meeting in Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56416 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: de triduo celebratium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56417 From: Gnaeus Caelius Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56418 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC - Chariot race: FINAL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56419 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56420 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, FINAL STANDINGS and WINNER
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56421 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56422 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC - Chariot race: FINAL The Blues win the race!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56423 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Chat? Tomorrow is Market Day
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56424 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56425 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56426 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56427 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56428 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56429 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Ager Publicus - Its Use, Disuse, and Future
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56430 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Chat! It's Market Day!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56431 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2008-04-30
Subject: Topics for discussion from the Interim Pontifex Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56432 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-30
Subject: Confarreatio and other forms of marriage
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56433 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-30
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56434 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-04-30
Subject: Re: De Novæ Romæ territorio &c.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56435 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-04-30
Subject: Re: Chat! It's Market Day!



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56359 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
> so where were you for the Veneralia? the Kalends of Aprilis?
> (April 1) as sacerdos Veneris it is your duty to honor Dea Venus.

I did, at home, but not in the name of Nova Roma, especially considering
that I would rather have some of you be granted a Darwin Award rather than
receive any blessings of Venus.

But thanks for the reminder! I hereby resign my position as Sacerdos Veneris
of Nova Roma.
Diana Octavia Aventina

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maior" <rory12001@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 11:34 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Notice of Appeal


> Maior Avention sal;
> so where were you for the Veneralia? the Kalends of Aprilis?
> (April 1) as sacerdos Veneris it is your duty to honor Dea Venus.
>
> Modianus, is a pious Nova Roman who fufills his religious offices.
> That was and is the entire point.
> M. Hortensia Maior
> sacerdos Mentis
>
>>
>> I see that Modianus displaying the Nova Roman virtue of Nastyness. I
> thought that he and his sidekick Piscinus would still be out
> celebrating that they managed to rid themselves of yet another Nova
> Roman that they dislike-- Lucius Equitius. Who's next on their hit
> list I wonder?
>>
>> Diana Octavia
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56360 From: Q·FABIA·DRVSILLA Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Diana Octavia Aventina scripsit: I hereby resign my position as Sacerdos
Veneris of Nova Roma.


The Goddess certainly appreciate your resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56361 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Dianae Octaviae Aventinae salutem dicit

Your oath as a sacerdos indicated the "best interest" of Nova Roma and not your own preference.  There are many within Nova Roma with whom I do not like, but I wouldn't refuse to do my duty simply because of a personal dislike.  I, for example, do not like my colleague (Tiberius Galerius Paulinus).  However, when he was consul I NEVER refused to perform an augury, and ALWAYS conducted it in a timely manner.   Thus  the difference between you and I. 

At least you did the right think by resigning.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Diana Octavia Aventina <diana@...> wrote:

> so where were you for the Veneralia? the Kalends of Aprilis?
> (April 1) as sacerdos Veneris it is your duty to honor Dea Venus.

I did, at home, but not in the name of Nova Roma, especially considering
that I would rather have some of you be granted a Darwin Award rather than
receive any blessings of Venus.

But thanks for the reminder! I hereby resign my position as Sacerdos Veneris
of Nova Roma.
Diana Octavia Aventina



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56362 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-04-21
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
If you hadn't resigned, I would've demanded your removal from the position. What a terrible example of a sacerdos.
 
Can we please not have anymore flakes in the preisthood? I prefer people who take this religio seriously and with atleast a modicum of dedication.
 
This isn't a game.
 
 
Esquiline Hill, Vicus Sabuci
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Notice of Appeal

> so where were you for the Veneralia? the Kalends of Aprilis?
> (April 1) as sacerdos Veneris it is your duty to honor Dea Venus.

I did, at home, but not in the name of Nova Roma, especially considering
that I would rather have some of you be granted a Darwin Award rather than
receive any blessings of Venus.

But thanks for the reminder! I hereby resign my position as Sacerdos Veneris
of Nova Roma.
Diana Octavia Aventina

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maior" <rory12001@yahoo. com>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 11:34 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Notice of Appeal

> Maior Avention sal;
> so where were you for the Veneralia? the Kalends of Aprilis?
> (April 1) as sacerdos Veneris it is your duty to honor Dea Venus.
>
> Modianus, is a pious Nova Roman who fufills his religious offices.
> That was and is the entire point.
> M. Hortensia Maior
> sacerdos Mentis
>
>>
>> I see that Modianus displaying the Nova Roman virtue of Nastyness. I
> thought that he and his sidekick Piscinus would still be out
> celebrating that they managed to rid themselves of yet another Nova
> Roman that they dislike-- Lucius Equitius. Who's next on their hit
> list I wonder?
>>
>> Diana Octavia
>>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56363 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
In a message dated 4/20/2008 2:11:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, complutensis@... writes:
I understand that is completely useless to try to reason with people who do not realize that Nova Roma is not the toy of a few.
Oh such a brilliant legal statement there, sir!  The People elected you to uphold the constitution of Nova Roma.  All of it.  Not to you allow you to cherry pick constitutional sections you can use against a fellow citizen and ignore others that undermine the case.   You have to apply all.  You failed to do so.  Since Lucius Equitius did not receive a fair trial, it has to be appealed.  The Gods demand it!
AS for your toy comment, unlike you, Equitius is not some Johnny come lately to the ball, but a citizen, magistrate, and priest since the beginning of the Republic, ten years now.  
 
Q. Fabius Maximus 




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56364 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: LUDI CERIALES Historical Quiz: Correct answers, current standings an
Salvete omnes.

Here are the correct answers to item #1 of the Historical Quiz:

1) "He himself said it", or "He said it himself", or "He, himself, said that" etc. All arrangements are valid, but the words "himself" and "said" are essential.
2) Pythagoras and, later, Aristotle. Both are valid.
3) It is commonly used, even today, to give the status of absolute truth to a statement (even when the statement itself doesn't have such a status), based only on the perceived importance, or fame, of the person uttering it. It is often used ironically to mock the (assumed) authority of someone, or in reference to someone who is considered a "know-it-all".

Current standings:
1) L. Vitellius Triarius, Cn. Equitius Marinus and C. Fulvius Severus: 6 points.
2) Gallus Solaris Alexander: 4 points (forgot the word "himself" in answer #1).
3) Tib. Galerius Paulinus: 2 points (answer #2 correct, answer #1 wrong [the question asked for a translation], answer #3 wrong)
4) Q. Salonius Cato: -1 points (answer #1 correct , answers 2 and 3 not given = -1 points each).

And now for item #2...

Ars longa, vita brevis

1) What does the phrase mean in English?
2) Who wrote it and who wrote it in Greek before it was written in Latin? [1 point for each answer]
3) What is the figurative meaning of the phrase?

The score is as follows:
  • 2 points for each correct answer
  • 0 points for each wrong answer
  • -1 points for each missing answer (not given)
Please send your answers directly, and privately, to me: ugo dot coppola at tin dot it (that is, ugo.coppola@...). DO NOT reply here!

Also, I'd like to give a piece of advice to all entrants: please don't use Wikipedia. Of course I have no means of proving whether anyone uses it or not, but using it would be a little bit like cheating, as this quiz is supposed to be based on knowledge, not on ability in surfing the Internet. Romans didn't have the privilege of using the Internet, and us having that privilege doesn't necessarily mean considering it an essential resource. :-)

Bene valete,
Publius Constantinus Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56365 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: Notice of Appeal
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Fabio Maximo salutem dicit

Didn't receive a fair trial?  Why?  Because the only fair trial would have been in his favor right?  The God's demand it?  Says who?  You? 

Lucius Equitius is a thug, a coward, and a bully.  Like most bullys when confronted they run away.  He has been around awhile, so what.  Diana Octavia Aventina has been around a long time as well.  However, we saw yesterday just how dedicated she is to Nova Roma, and her "run" as a sacerdos was chance number two after countless fits for either not getting elected to some office (i.e., running for consul in 2003, her failed attempt at being a quaestor, and her first attempt at being a sacerdos) or protest for not getting her way.  Longevity does not necessarily equal good service.

Marcus Curiatius Complutensis is hardly a "Johnny come lately."  He has been in Nova Roma for almost five years and has served admirably as tribune, governor, scriba to many different magistrates, and now as a praetor and senator.  He invests countless hours each week into Nova Roma that several people can confirm. 

The people elected Complutensis to administer the law, which he has done.  Magistrates, senatores, and priests in Nova Roma have duties to uphold and they have a responsibility to our republic.  As the events of the trial have shown Lucius Equitius has shown neither a sense of duty nor a sense of responsibility.  He has shirked them, and allowed his pride and arrogance to rule over him.  You, Caesar, Diana, Paulinus, or others can attempt to paint another picture but his true portrait remains the same.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:12 AM, <QFabiusMaxmi@...> wrote:

In a message dated 4/20/2008 2:11:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, complutensis@... writes:
I understand that is completely useless to try to reason with people who do not realize that Nova Roma is not the toy of a few.
Oh such a brilliant legal statement there, sir!  The People elected you to uphold the constitution of Nova Roma.  All of it.  Not to you allow you to cherry pick constitutional sections you can use against a fellow citizen and ignore others that undermine the case.   You have to apply all.  You failed to do so.  Since Lucius Equitius did not receive a fair trial, it has to be appealed.  The Gods demand it!
AS for your toy comment, unlike you, Equitius is not some Johnny come lately to the ball, but a citizen, magistrate, and priest since the beginning of the Republic, ten years now.  
 
Q. Fabius Maximus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56366 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: De jure - A. Sempronio
A. Apolonius A. Sempronio sal.

> If you were a Ph.D from a world-class university
> in the subject, you'd know (as others here have
> emailed me privately) I have provided plenty of
> clues to the references (I am a Ph.d from such a
> university in said subject). I like you (although
> we have never met personally) but I'm torn, why do
> your homework when I had to dig deep to find it myself
> in order to do an academic double-blind
> review article?

Well, naturally you've no obligation to do so! But both in Nova Roma and (in my experience, admittedly less than yours) in academia it's generally considered that someone who makes an assertion contrary to the general consensus has the burden of producing the evidence to support it. I can understand why you ask yourself why you should "do my homework", but I can just as easily ask myself why I should accept what you say when you refuse to cite any sources. I'm not a doctor of philosophy (and have never claimed to be), but I'm a graduate in ancient history and that makes me somewhat more qualified a Romanist than a lot of people here: but I am also realistic enough to accept that I cannot simply come to this forum and say, "Despite what you may have read to the contrary, such-and-such-a-thing is the case, and I shan't tell you how I know because if you were as qualified as I am you'd be able to work it out". If I did that, most people (even more than
usual!) would just ignore what I was saying. And they'd be right to do so, I suggest, because if I seek to persuade someone of something it is up to me to be persuasive.

I suggest that's the way it should be in an efficient community. I expect you'll probably see the logic of that without needing it explained, and if so please ignore the rest of this paragraph and the next. In case you don't, though, let us say that it takes the amount of work A to do historical research leading to the conclusion Z. And let us say that the amount of work required to send an e-mail containing the unsupported conclusion Z is B, and the amount of work required to send an e-mail containing a few clues to the sources that support conclusion Z is C, and the amount of work required to send an e-mail containing simply a bare list of references to the sources that support conclusion Z is D. Now, let's say person 1 does work A but nothing more. In that case person 1 will be aware of conclusion Z, but no one else will. Thus in order for person 2 to satisfy himself of conclusion Z he will have to do work A himself. In this case, the total
amount of work done will be A+A. For three people (person 1 and two others) to satisfy themselves of conclusion Z the total amount of work will be A+A+A, or 3xA, and so on: the total amount of work needed for N people in addition to person 1 to be satisfied of Z is NxA. Now, if person 1 does not only work A but also work B, it becomes easier for people 2, 3, &c. to satisfy themselves of conclusion Z: they won't have to have the original idea that Z might be true, though they will still have not only to examine the evidence but also to work out which evidence must be examined to test whether Z seems to be correct. So let's say the amount of work person 1 has saved them from having to do is E; thus the amount of work person 2 needs to do is only A-E, and the same for person 3, and so on; the total amount of work for N people in addition to person 1 to satisfy themselves of Z is (A+B)+((NxA)-(NxE)). (I know some of those brackets are unnecessary, but
they make the logic a little clearer.) Again, if person 1 does work A, work B, *and* work C, the amount of work needed for others to satisfy themselves of Z is further reduced, because they now have a clearer idea where to focus their research, although they will still inevitably spend some time and energy examining sources that turn out to be irrelevant. Let's say that by doing additional work C person 1 saves everyone else an amount of work F: in this case, then, the total amount of work required for N people in addition to person 1 to be satisfied of Z is (A+B+C)+((NxA)-(NxE)-(NxF)). And then we can do the same for the final step, although this is slightly different, because if person 1 does work D to provide a list of references then there's no need at all for him to do C, since D makes C redundant: doing work D gives people 2, 3, &c. all the benefits that work C does, plus some more. So if person 1 does work A, B, and D, that makes life yet
easier for the others, since they can go directly to the relevant sources to check person 1's thesis at its highest (though of course they may still wish to look at other sources that person 1 may have missed or thought irrelevant). If we call the amount of work saved here (over and above the work saved by work B and C) G, then the total amount of work needed is (A+B+D)+((NxA)-(NxE)-(NxF)-(NxG)).

Now it remains to ask ourselves which of these scenarios is most efficient for the whole community, i.e. which one requires the smallest total amount of work to be done in order for N people to be satisfied of conclusion Z. Of course it depends on the values of some of these quantities. I'm first going to suggest that B (the work involved in writing an e-mail saying "conclusion Z") is going to be much smaller than A (the work involved in reaching conclusion Z in the first place). Even for a relatively minor piece of research A, it's still likely to be much less than a twentieth of the work A. But for the sake of argument let's call it one twentieth, so that B=A/20. I suggest that C (writing an e-mail saying "I came to conclusion Z by looking roughly in the following places") will also be much less than A, though somewhat more than B, so let's say C=A/15. I would say that D (writing an e-mail saying "conclusion Z is supported by the following
precise citations") is likely to be about the same as C, or possibly slightly greater. I anticipate, however, that you may disagree, and so for again for the sake of argument I'll say D=A/10. Okay, what about E, F, and G? These are a bit more subjective, and will partly depend on how knowledgeable people 2, 3, &c. already are in the field and how good is their intuition of where to look. But I'm going to propose that E=A/10, F=A/5, and G=A/2. I'd say those are underestimates, which again gives you the benefit of the doubt. In reality I'd think that the amount of work you save other people by giving a list of sources would be a good deal more than half the total quantity of work required to do the original research, for example; but, as I say, these underestimates work in your favour. Finally, let's use the somewhat arbitrary value of 5 for N, so we find out how much work in total is required for six people in total (person 1, who does the
original research, plus five others) to be satisfied of conclusion Z. What happens then? Well, if person 1 sends an e-mail saying nothing except a bald statement of Z, we saw that the total work required was (A+B)+((NxA)-(NxE)), which is (A+(A/20))+((5xA)-(5x(A/10))) = (111xA)/20. If person 1 says in his e-mail not only what Z is but roughly how he got there, the total work is (A+B+C)+((NxA)-(NxE)-(NxF)) = (A+(A/20)+(A/15))+((5xA)-(5x(A/10))-(5x(A/5))) = (277xA)/60. If person 1 says what Z is and cites sources, the total work is (A+B+D)+((NxA)-(NxE)-(NxF)-(NxG)) = (A+(A/20)+(A/10))+((5xA)-(5x(A/10))-(5x(A/5))-(5x(A/2))) = (43xA)/20. We can compare those totals by multiplying the first and the last up so we get (333xA)/60 for the first scenario, (277xA)/60 for the second, and (129xA)/60 for the third. You can see immediately that the third scenario is by far the most efficient for the community as a whole: by doing just a little extra work himself,
person 1 saves everyone else far more work than he himself has to do, and the result is that the whole community saves a lot of wasted time and effort.

So, when you ask, "[W]hy do your homework when I had to dig deep to find it myself..?" that's the answer: people who make assertions should carry the burden of proving them rather than simply making them and then sitting back to let other people do the work they themselves have already done, and therefore since you made the assertion you should produce the evidence. I have no intention of wasting my time trying to work out your sources when you could quite easily tell me what they are, and I doubt anyone else here will bother to do so either. So it's entirely up to you: if you want anyone to accept your thesis that the republican pontifex maximus was chosen annually then you'll have to cite some evidence; if you don't care whether we believe you or not, then you needn't bother.

Now, you say you're going to publish: I'm glad to hear it. I hope you'll let us know when your article appears and where we can find it. If you don't want to tell us the evidence you rely on because you're worried that someone here will take advantage of your good faith and publish your conclusions under his own name, then I think you overestimate the academic ambitions of this group of people: I certainly have none, or else I'd be an academic and not a barrister. But that's up to you. Nobody will blame you for keeping your cards close to your chest until you publish. But until then you mustn't get offended if I and others remain doubtful about your suggestion, given that you haven't yet told us what the evidence is. I repeat, I've never said you have any sort of obligation to tell us, simply that until you do you can't reasonably expect us to be convinced. That seems fair enough to me.


P.S. I'm rather surprised by your suggested etymology of 'philosophiae doctor' - are you being whimsical?


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56367 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: Research Methods and Raw Materials // jure - A. Sempronio
A. Apolonius A. Sempronio sal.

> My friend Cordus, if I have put you in the hot spot,
> it is not my purpose.

Goodness me, if you take my failure to respond to an e-mail within a hour of your sending it as an indication that I've been "put... in the hot spot" then you must think I live most of my life in the hot spot! The reason I didn't reply until now is simply that I don't check this e-mail address every day, or even (sometimes) every week.

> ... Rather, I would like to
> encourage you to maximize your talents in researching
> legal history (pursue your training in the
> macro-world) while, together, we step by step, in our
> dialog, gradually show how academically and
> scientifically reconstructionist research is done.
> Historically, everything is more or less probable
> hypotheses. Our citizens should know this.

Okay. I'm not sure I quite grasp the nature of this exercise in which you want to engage and for which you're seeking my help, but if the goal is to educate me and / or other people then I'm quite happy to join in with whatever it is.

> The beginning step is the raw physical sources
> of Roman law and their nature and dates, yes?

Again I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. By "the... sources of Roman law" I would normally understand you to mean the sources from which the ancient Romans drew the legal rules they applied, namely statutes, custom, the responses of juris periti, and so on. But I think perhaps you mean the documents and other things from which we today can seek to deduce what those legal rules were: is that right?

In any case I'm afraid I'm not wholly equipped to agree that those sources are "the beginning step" because I don't know what journey you are proposing to begin with this step. Do you mean that these are the starting-point for anyone who seeks to understand what legal rules, principles, and practices existed in ancient Rome? If so, then yes, that seems like a very sensible starting-point.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56368 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Chariot Race - Quarter-finals Round 2

Publius Constantinus Placidus reporting from the Circus Maximum, Rome

April 22, 2671 AUC

It's early morning, and the first sunrays start shining timidly on the sky of Rome; the marbles and statues of Circus Maximum start taking their own life; soon, in its interior, the eternal game of life, the competition, the race, shall happen: just like yesterday, only two athletes shall move on with their chariots while the other two shall have no future.

Right now people start crowding at the entrances, and the sun is already high; the  clear sky enchances its shining, and its heat covers the crowd, which already fills the circus bleachers. Suddenly a fight starts breaking among Russata and Veneta supporters, but the noisiest ones are the Albata guys, who sing... already drunk in early morning  or maybe still under the influxes of last night's excess, while the Praesina people are very quiet and still, may this be an omen of ill fate?

Now everything is ready for the race: the Consules from the middle tribuna, just like the statues adorning the circus, are motionless and authoritative, watching coldly the noisy, anxious audience, incarnating Rome's power in their pride.

The chariots are now standing on the starting line:

Russata's chariot, Octavia, is in the inner side, closer to the spina. Its driver, Scipio Falco, a short-bodied but stout guy with a gnarly face and prominent muscles, has unknown origins but his merits in the arena and in the ladies' beds are certain, and what's said about him is good.

Albata's chariot, Biga Fortuna, is next to Octavia and is driven by a young woman from Britannia, Aoife of the Silures, long blond hair tied up in a braid which goes down to her bottom. Unfortunately she has a long scar from the right ear to her mouth, spoiling what would be a beautiful face, but surely no-one cares about that because of her well-built body – most certainly not her master Petronius Gnipho, in the dark.

Third in line, Delectus Consulis from Veneta. It's holding on its great driver, the small-bodied Syrian Incitator, with his slender, nervous muscles and his determined gaze with a great inner strenght, who already sees its goal and glory, while dreaming of a night of love with his youthful, lightfooted assistant.

In the external side, right below the bleachers, exposed at all insults but mostly an easy target for throwing eggs, rotten fruit and some weird liquid which we don't dare suspecting the origin of, here's the Praesina chariot Volcanus, who's driven by Merddyn – about whom little or nothing is known, except that he is a Celt, rebellious and always unsatisfied, who even with his privileged condition, ill-bears Roman supremacy.

Everything is ready now, high and solemn the Cornicem fanfare starts sounding before the race, horses neigh, they rise up solidly held by their drivers. The noise stops suddenly and an unreal silence covers the circus, almost in a sacred respect or consecrating the race to the Gods.

At once Merddyn starts over the straight line, who tries to get far from the others then cutting straight in the first curve, but Aoife and Incitator behind him hold on and keep within the Celt's rear weel. Falco is a little off and taking all the dust from his antagonist. At his first curve the wheels screech on the sand, chariots have quite some trouble in keepin their road, horses strain and huff clouds of vapour from their nostrils. People cheer for their pals, who can either lead them to fortunes or to ruin. Merddyn perilously deranges and ends up leaving space to the two others, who get on the line as first and second. Third, having cut the curve at its inner rim, there's Falco, and the Celt is last.

At the end of the first lap, the chariots march on the inner line. Biga Fortuna leads with her young driver Aoife of the Silures, followed by Delectus Consulis with Incitator, Octavia with Falco is third and always last is the Celt. But now on the straight line, the Celt pushes his horses and overtakes Falco... they are dangerously close and the clash of the two chariots' woods and metals is unavoidable. Falco, offended, lets his lash send a hit straight in the Celt's face. The audience goes wild, shouting "Again! Again! Kill him!!!" Octavia runs on and tries to overtake Biga Fortuna in the curveÂ… the Briton woman has sensibly reduced her quick pace. Incitator is always straight on towards the goal. The second lap thus sees Veneta leading followed by Russata, Albata and Praesina.

The third lap sees the Celt overtaking Aoife without too much trouble and Falco overtaking Incitator on the curve, again nothing special, but the Briton driver's behaviour is unexplainable... she looks like she has problems, or is it a tactic?!

The fourth lap sees again Falco on Octavia leading, followed by Delectus, Volcanus and Biga Fortuna. This lap and the next one follow on without further upsetting as everyone seems eager to just keep their current standing while saving their best for last. And this is exactly what happens: breaking the truce is Aoife on Biga Fortuna, pushing her white horses and charges on, without sparing any of her whip, towards the line's head. Dust raises high and Merddyn, taken by storm, cannot contain Aoife's imperious action. Same goes for Incitator, who overtakes Falco at the first curve. The latter is surprised and scornful, but he must pay for his mistakesÂ… indeed, having taken his curve at a high speed he had been forced to get wide not to overturn. Fastly, Aoife takes advantage from the uncertain situation, overtakes unlucky Scipio Falco very easily and gets near to Incitator on the straight line leading to the last curve. The strength is now great, but on the curve the Syran manages to keep ahead of them all and win the race. Second is Aoife on Biga Fortuna, certainly feeling a bit sorry. Third is Octavia and last is Volcanus, its Celt driver's face markedly bleeding.

The drivers now salute the Counsules and bow to the power of Rome. Slowly the crowd comes off the bleachers and goes back to their commitments... or their otia.


On behalf of Nova Roma, Plebeian Aedile P. Con. Placidus sends very special thanks to Gaius Aurelius Vindex, whose contribution to the actual writing of this report was absolutely invaluable.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56369 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Appointment of Scriba
Salvete omnes.

I, Publius Constantinus Placidus, as Plebeian Aedile of Nova Roma currently in charge of the Ludi Ceriales, hereby officially appoint Gaius Aurelius Vindex, from Provincia Italia, as my Scriba for these Ludi. This appointment shall also be valid for the forthcoming Ludi Plebeii, to take place in November.

This appointment is effective immediately and requires no oath.

Optime valete,
P. Con. Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56370 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Appointment of Scriba
SALVETE!
 
I'm glad to see how my roman brother Aurelius Vindex decided to dedicate more time and energy to Nova Roma, contributing to the Ludi reports.
Aurelius Vindex visited Dacia two times, it was my first guest from NR and I want to say he is very dedicated to all Roman things.
The last photo displayed in my blog was made this year January in my house from Bucharest:
 
I believe in real meetings and they represent an important way to promote friendship and colaboration to various NR projects.
 
VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Ugo Coppola <ugo.coppola@...> wrote:
Salvete omnes.

I, Publius Constantinus Placidus, as Plebeian Aedile of Nova Roma currently in charge of the Ludi Ceriales, hereby officially appoint Gaius Aurelius Vindex, from Provincia Italia, as my Scriba for these Ludi.
.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56371 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standings, item #3
Salvete omnes.

Here are the correct answers for item #2 of the Historical Quiz.

1. Art is long, life is short. Simple as that. :-)
2. It's an aphorism by Hippocrates. The Latin translation I quoted is by Horace, although Seneca said pretty much the same thing, so both are valid.
3. Art lasts longer than who created it OR Life is too short to fully appreciate the beauty of art. Anything along these lines is valid.

Current standings:
1) L. Vitellius Triarius and Cn. Equitius Marinus: 12 points.
2) Gallus Solaris Alexander: 10 points.
3) C. Fulvius Severus: 6 points.
4) Q. Salonius Cato: 3 points [Second answer to item #2 is wrong, but other two are right].
5) Tib. Galerius Paulinus: 2 points.


Now for item #3...

Cum grano salis

1. What is the LITERAL meaning of the phrase in English? [NOT the direct English equivalent]
2. Who wrote it?
3. What is the figurative meaning of the phrase?

The score is as follows:
  • 2 points for each correct answer
  • 0 points for each wrong answer
  • -1 points for each missing answer (not given)
Please send your answers directly, and privately, to me: ugo dot coppola at tin dot it (that is, ugo.coppola@...). DO NOT reply here!

Please do not use Wikipedia.  ;-)

Bene valete,
Publius Constantinus Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56372 From: Gaius Aurelius Vindex Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Appointment of Scriba
Ave Sabine Fratres Novaromano
Thank you very much for your message.
I'll see you as soon as possible.
Vale Optime in Gratia Deorum
C.Aur.Vindex
 
 
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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Appointment of Scriba

SALVETE!
 
I'm glad to see how my roman brother Aurelius Vindex decided to dedicate more time and energy to Nova Roma, contributing to the Ludi reports.
Aurelius Vindex visited Dacia two times, it was my first guest from NR and I want to say he is very dedicated to all Roman things.
The last photo displayed in my blog was made this year January in my house from Bucharest:
 
I believe in real meetings and they represent an important way to promote friendship and colaboration to various NR projects.
 
VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Ugo Coppola <ugo.coppola@ tin.it> wrote:
Salvete omnes.

I, Publius Constantinus Placidus, as Plebeian Aedile of Nova Roma currently in charge of the Ludi Ceriales, hereby officially appoint Gaius Aurelius Vindex, from Provincia Italia, as my Scriba for these Ludi.
.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56373 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: re Notice of Appeal
Salve Modianus,
 
>and her "run" as a sacerdos was chance number two after countless fits
for either not getting elected to some office (i.e., running for consul in 2003, her failed attempt at being a quaestor, and her first attempt at being a sacerdos) or protest for not getting her way
 
Now why did you go and write that? Now I have to mention that I won as Tribune (over you hee hee) and that you lost 3 more elections for Tribune in a row before giving up. Tit for tat. Hpw boring... 
 
There was a time when I would have fun bickering with you on this list, but lately the joy is gone. I'm feeling rather empty now-- sort of like how one feels after they've had sex with someone for the 200th time. The routine is all too familiar: back forth back forth in the same usual way-- no surprises anymore. When it's all done, one lays back and thinks 'Where did the fireworks go?'
 
Vale and sweet dreams,
Diana
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56374 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-04-22
Subject: The Feriae Latinae and The Tornado Alley Roman Rally
Priscus Omnibus sal.

The event was a GREAT success!! Even though the Feriae Latinae
ceremony was not held due to Nova Roman Consul Horatianus not
attending due to a urgent family matter I feel that it was very
successful. I attended in my official capacity as a Curator of the
Societas Via Romana and a private citizen of Nova Roma. Also attending
from the SVR was Aldus Marius Peregrine, the SVR Webmaster. The Roman
Way of Austin, TX who was hosting the event was represented by A.
Moravia Aurelia ( who is also the Legata pro praetore of Nova Roma's
America Austroccidentalis Province) and her husband Marcus Sempronius
Sophus. Several other members of The Roman Way were also in
attendance.

On the day of the event we had a dinner at Cannoli Joe's Italian
Resturant at noon. We then went to A. Moravia Aurelia's home and
walked to the University of Texas's Campus where we visited the Texas
Tower and the Blanton Museum. The Museum has a small Antiquities room,
a gallery of artist's casts of Classical statues and a selection of
Roman coins (and more item's too numerous to mention). Later that
evening we were served a traditional Roman meal (which was excellent
by the way and was my first Roman food).

All in all, I would say this was a outstanding event for fellow
Roman's to get together. I hope more of these meetings between like
minded Roman groups can take place. Hopefully, with more advanced
planning we can hold another event next year.

Optime valete!

Quintus Servilius Priscus
Curator SVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56375 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-04-23
Subject: A paen of thanksgiving
Venator scripsit:

As a Poet within the Religio Septentrionalis I have gained good repute.

Due to my recent bout of heart trouble, I wrote this paen to Eira, the
northern goddess associated with healing. I am further inspired to
write one to Apollo, who I do see as one of the elders of my family
line.

The first stanza is repeated as the chorus.

Skald's Heart Helper – Thank to Eira

Eira Kind One, Eira Healer
Walks the Bright Worlds, of Gods and Men
Seeking sorrow, seeking illness
Bringing joy and mending the weal

Through all of time, mankind has sought
Ways to make whole that which is ill
Mind or body, broken or bent
We strive against ev'ry ordeal
- Chorus -

The aging skald's heart stopped beating
Untimely pause, then pumped again
The world turned black and body sank
He fully woke and thought anew
- Chorus -

He tried to think, wondered calmly,
Where did he go, what had happened?
Without warning, save smallish wooze
He was struck down, like poleaxed steer
- Chorus -

His good wife true, had seen him slump
Was quite alarmed and well concerned
She got him to, those who could heal
To see that he, would still be hers
- Chorus -

Alone he lay, upon a bed
Within the walls of Healing House
The wise ones there had told him that
His heart was strong, but needed help
- Chorus -

They told him how, the beat had ceased
But breath stayed strong, and so did life
But cause was there to open chest
And place inside, a crutch for heart
- Chorus -

And so they did, cut into him
And placed the thing, which sat and watched
To count the pace, and keep its time
So life would be, a long, good time
- Chorus -

Through all of time, mankind has sought
Ways to make whole that which is ill
Mind or body, broken or bent
We strive against ev'ry ordeal
- Chorus -
- Chorus -
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56376 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-04-23
Subject: Another paean of thanksgiving
Venator scripsit:

1st stanza repeated as the chorus.

Apollonian Paean
In Gratitude for Healing

Hail Apollo, Holy Healer
Sender of cures, Restorer wise
When we are ill, broken, failing
Smile on us and help us thrive

The sun is warm, quickens all life
Upon this green and goodly earth
The gods look down and calm chaos
Bringing order to all of things
-Chorus-

My heart did stop and start again
Blackened my sight, shuttered my mind
Caused me to think, when I awoke
What club had hit, my head so hard
-Chorus-

Cried to the Gods, for guidance true
Sought for the help, of those sworn to
Bring about cure, of any ill
If there was such, within their grasp
-Chorus-

Many tests did they give to me
Of heart and blood, of lung and breath
But all came back, as one full well
Then night time came and ill showed self
-Chorus-

The surgeon came and spoke to me
He told of how my heart did stop
For so long that, it worried them
That life had fled, sent me to Styx
-Chorus-

But breathe I did, and pulse came back
So problem lay, within myself
My heart could not, keep up the pace
But fix there was, could be installed
-Chorus-

With knife and probe he plied his trade
And put inside my chest a thing
That beat a drum, like on a ship
So heart would do its proper work
-Chorus-

The sun is warm, quickens all life
Upon the green and goodly earth
The gods look down and calm chaos
Bringing order to all of things
-Chorus-
-Chorus-
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56377 From: bhsegura Date: 2008-04-23
Subject: Celebration in honor of Neptune
Greetings all
This weekends celebration in honor of Neptune was great fun. The
festivities included prayers and offerings to the sea god. There was
lots of wine and home made beer. All this and a great meal. While only
one other member of NR was present, there were participants of other
Roman and greek societies and clubs including the Greek, Molon Lave
("come and take them")Spartan society. I hope I spelled that right. 16
people attended. The festivities ended with the fly fishing trip to the
Jemez
mountains the next day. 5 people attended. The fishing was very good.
Neptune was pleased by our offerings.
T A Germanicus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56378 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-23
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Chariot Race - Quarter-finals Round 3
Publius Constantinus Placidus reporting from Circus Maximus, Rome

April 23, 2761 AUC

A leaden sky, just like a burden of gloom, closes under its dark power the Urbs and the restless, untamed souls of its residents; the sacred Tiber river runs forcefully and threateningly not far from the Circus Maximus, where a man, dead with his throat cut open, lies on the ground as a sad warning to whoever wouldn't honor a bet. Last night was terrible and troublesome for the drivers' helpers, horses were frightned by thunder and lightning and had to be restrained, so now they are very nervous at the start. The weather thereates rain but there's hope that it may hold until for the race's duration. Last night's rain however cleaned up the whole circus from stool, dirt and remains from yesterday's fights, the circus' draining system worked perfectly and the sand looks like it's perfectly dry, except for some small pools seeming to confound themselves with the sky.
Before the entrance there's some usual quarrelling between the teams' supporters, laborioulsy sedated by the vigiles, have upset the Consules, who, restless, frown cunningly on the bleachers. The draw for the starting grid was amazingly repeated thrice, and the grid itself was, in the end, an authority decision by the Plebeian Aediles. And here they are!

From left to right, i.e. from spina to bleachers: Celeritas, driven by the Greek Amara Aigeus for the Russata team,  Faolchú Dubh driven by Celt Barinthus for Veneta, Windchaser III, driven by Emrys of Gaul for Veneta (as poor Albata doesn't have any more entries...) and Necopinatus, driven by the Greek Adrastos for Praesina. Rumours are flying that a romance is blossoming between the two Greeks... indeed Adrastos appears mannish and powerful, while Amara is slender and gracefully moving – what else could we espect from the easy, lascivious manners which these Greeks are used to, and which dangerous influence is well-known to true romans?! The Celt driver, on the other hand, is short and stout, hair cut short, square face, deep-set eyes and a prominent nose, not even looking like a Celt – may he be half-blood? – however his driving prowess is known by everyone, just like his careful observance of rites for the Gods. Only the Gaul seems unfit for his task – he is big, bulky, spacey, little grace in his motion, but he's also well-known, especially within the tabernae, where they say he can pull down endless amounts of wine...

Now the race is starting, the chariots are all on line, and Windchaser III is certainly the most spectacular – with its dazzling blue color, sparkling new. At the first curve no-one seems to dare moving forward, then on the straight line Celeritas starts accelerating, horses follow their imposed rhythm and they look like they want to shake off last night's anger. No one keeps up with them, and by the second curve the Greek leads, an ovation noisily raises from the bleachers. Following them, but still behind, there are the other Greek and the Gaul and lastly, the Celt, who looks like he's supporting a constant pace, following the events from afar. Suddenly the bleachers fights start again, two women are pushed by the crowd and are pushed down from the circus' upper ring. The disgraceful event, while creating two innocent victims, at least quietens everyone down.

The second lap still sees Amara's chariot running far from the others, however in the second place the situation looks like it's clearing up; at the first curve Adrastos tries using his strength, in spite of the Gaul's vile actions, slamming him repeatedely, and manages to get second. The Gaul is going to pay quite a price for the damage made to his brand-new chariot and mostly for his shameful manners. Last, but not very detached, there's always the Celt, slowly trying to work his way up.

The third lap sees the group joining again, always with the previous lap's standings. But at the first straight line in lap four, inexplicably and with no reason at all, Celeritas slows down, almost making way to his friend and companion – sneaking doubts rise among the crowd, and suspicions, we all know, have quite a high price in Rome!! Exploiting the moment, with his caparbious determination and unrelenting action, Barinthus goes second, with a curve manoeuvre seeing him perfectly cutting his path, almost with a millimetric calculation of his space. By the lap's second curve, Amara is attacked, not only figuratively by physically as well, by the huge Emrys. Hits amongst the two are terrible, fearful and unshamed. The audience goes absolutely wild, approval shouts rise in the leaden sky of a spring day, while the horses seem to join the fight as well by running next to each other, hitting each other, with sweat and white saliva spatters confirming the violence of hits.

At the start of the fifth lap, the situation is as follows: Necopinatus leads with Adrastos,  followed in this order by Faolchú Dubh with Barinthus, Windchaser III with Emrys and  Celeritas with Amara. But the best, or the worst is yet to come. The sky, seemingly going for the better, suddenlu goes worse, and two lightning beams rip the sky open. Barinthus manages to keep his horses calm in their constant yet sustained pace, but Adrastos, maybe distracted by his lover's fate, gets carried outside of his path on the straight line – then he luckily manages to gain control again and slowly gets nearer the Celt. He tries his mighty hit in the last cufve perfectly cutting it near the spina. Wheels squeak fearfully, every fibre in the driver's and the horses' bodies is tense for the effort, but the constant, metodic and seamless action by the Celt is determinating in him winning the race. Adrastos ends up second, Emrys is third and last, completely nullified and drained, Amara.

And so this third race is over. The Consules don't even wait for the drivers to salute them, stand up promptly, turn their shoulders and go away from their place with scornful faces. Someone is going to pay for the disorders and for the suspicions of a bribed raceÂ… all in all, both of them had made large bets on it.

 

On behalf of Nova Roma, Plebeian Aedile P. Con. Placidus sends very special thanks to his Scribe Gaius Aurelius Vindex from Provincia Italia, whose substantial contribution to the actual writing of this report is absolutely invaluable, and of course much appreciated.


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56379 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-23
Subject: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standings, item #4
Salvete omnes.

Here are the correct answers for item #3 of the historical quiz.

1) With a grain of salt.
2) Pliny the Elder.
3) Something not to be taken literally, or too seriously.

Current standings:
1) L. Vitellius Triarius and Cn. Equitius Marinus: 18 points.
2) Gallus Solaris Alexander: 16 points.
3) C. Fulvius Severus: 9 points.
4) Tib. Galerius Paulinus: 8 points.
5) Q. Salonius Cato: 3 points.

Will it be a tie between Triarius and Marinus? Only time will tell! ;.-)

And now for item # 4...

Fiat lux. Et lux fuit.

1. What is the meaning of the phrase in English? (Use either the best-known translation, or a more literal one)
2. What 'book' (i.e. what section of a much larger book) is it taken from?
3. What does the word inanis, in one of the very first sentences of the same book, mean?
4. [optional - 1 bonus point]  What is the figurative meaning of both sentences (but especially of the second) ?

Note: The above sentences are not intended to be disrespectful or offensive towards anyone or anything. Their usage here is just meant as part of the quiz with no further implications whatsoever.
I would also like to remind all entrants to send their answers privately to me at ugo dot coppola at tin dot it, i.e. ugo.coppola@.... DO NOT reply to this message on the Nova Roma mailing list!!

Please don't use Wikipedia. ;-)

Bene valete,
P. Con. Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56380 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: Official group for the Religio Romana, 4/24/2008, 12:00 pm
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56381 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: The Interim Pontifex Maximus is back
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

I have got my computer tower back and am once again on line. I will
be catching up on my e-mails as quickly as possible and will be able
to participate in active public life in the Senate, the Forum, and the
Collegium Pontificum.

I extend my regrets and apologies to the Senate and People of Nova
Roma for my extended absence. If anyone has any questions,
suggestions, or points to discuss, they may e-mail me privately at
brotherpaganus@....

I will be offering a piaculum to Dii Immortales to appease them for my
absence to insure the health and happiness of the Senate and People of
Nova Roma.

Salvete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56382 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Interim Pontifex Maximus S.P.D.

Since the NRPriesthood yahoogroup was deleted by my predecessor,
Marca Hortensia Maior has created a new yahoo group so that the
priesthoods of Nova Roma may once again have a fora to discuss the
restorations of their individual cults and other matters relevant to
the restoration and re-creation of the Religio Romana. This list is
the property of Nova Roma and will be moderated by Sacerdotes and
members of the other Sacred Colleges.

I encourage all of Nova Roma's current pontiffs, vestals, flamines,
sacerdotes, Tribunes, and Senatores to join this list as soon as
possible.

Marca Hortensia Maior should be commented for her initiative and
contribution to insuring that the Pax Deorum is extended to Nova
Roma by this action.

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56383 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
Salve Fl.Galerius Aurelianus Pontifex Maximus,
 
I would like to join this yahoogroup , what is the exact name or the
link to join ?
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila
Tribunus Plebis

----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 24. April 2008, 15:25:07 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Interim Pontifex Maximus S.P.D.

Since the NRPriesthood yahoogroup was deleted by my predecessor,
Marca Hortensia Maior has created a new yahoo group so that the
priesthoods of Nova Roma may once again have a fora to discuss the
restorations of their individual cults and other matters relevant to
the restoration and re-creation of the Religio Romana. This list is
the property of Nova Roma and will be moderated by Sacerdotes and
members of the other Sacred Colleges.

I encourage all of Nova Roma's current pontiffs, vestals, flamines,
sacerdotes, Tribunes, and Senatores to join this list as soon as
possible.

Marca Hortensia Maior should be commented for her initiative and
contribution to insuring that the Pax Deorum is extended to Nova
Roma by this action.

Valete.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56384 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: Re: NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
Avete;

If I may?

Send a subscription request to: NR_sacerdotes-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Valete - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56385 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: Re: NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
SALVETE!
 
Or join to this address:
 
 
VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
Avete;

If I may?

Send a subscription request to: NR_sacerdotes- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com

Valete - Venator



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56386 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
Salve Venator,
 

Plurimas gratias!


Di te incolumem custodiant
Titus Flavius Aquila
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania

 
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 24. April 2008, 15:44:58 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [Nova-Roma] NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.

Avete;

If I may?

Send a subscription request to: NR_sacerdotes- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com

Valete - Venator



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56387 From: vallenporter Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: Re: NR_sacerdotes at Yahoogroups.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick D. Owen" <Patrick.Owen@...>
wrote:
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Interim Pontifex Maximus S.P.D.
>
> Since the NRPriesthood yahoogroup was deleted by my predecessor,
> Marca Hortensia Maior has created a new yahoo group so that the
> priesthoods of Nova Roma may once again have a fora to discuss the
> restorations of their individual cults and other matters relevant to
> the restoration and re-creation of the Religio Romana. This list is
> the property of Nova Roma and will be moderated by Sacerdotes and
> members of the other Sacred Colleges.
>
> I encourage all of Nova Roma's current pontiffs, vestals, flamines,
> sacerdotes, Tribunes, and Senatores to join this list as soon as
> possible.
>
Salve
and the name of said group would be ?
under yahoo group Search Results i get only the groups ComitiaCuriata
and ReligioRomana
vale

Marcus Cornelius Felix
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Primus Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

House Priest Patrician Gens Cornelia






> Marca Hortensia Maior should be commented for her initiative and
> contribution to insuring that the Pax Deorum is extended to Nova
> Roma by this action.
>
> Valete.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56388 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC Chariot race: Quarter-finals Round 4

April 24, 2761 AUC

The night passed quickly and peacefully for C. Aurelia Falco Silvana, sure as she is about having done everything she could, and maybe even something more, to ensure a victory or at least to have her Praesina team look good in the races Nothing was left at the mercy of fate by the Domina: her driver Spandex the Vandal is well-known for his successes, his devotion to his wife and his 4 adopted children, for his competence and full knowladge of every aspect of the races and for his own instinctive pleasure in competing, in fighting to his utmost strength with his rivals.

The Vandal is tall and strong-built, with a menacing look; his long blond braids frame his blue eyes inside a squared, expressionless face; his prowess in his job brought him to train a good team of Spanish horses, Velociraptor, ready to bear his weight and the chariot's. This latter one is a particularily advanced model, both in the arrowhead shape and its innovative `roll-bar.'

However, the time of the race gets nearer and the usual sense of anxiety starts gripping on the Domina's soul, as she is over-scrupolous and concerned about every single, minute detail.

It is a nice, typical spring day, after yesterday's storm the air is fresh and pleasant, everything seems to prelude to a great race. The audience shal surely have fun as security is guaranteed, this time, by the imposing presence of legionaries showing not-really-good-looking faces and very sharp manners. Wonderful and imposing, Circus Maximus rises to frame Rome's glory. Its plasters, its statues and the golden trimmings adorning it make it unique and inimitable. All the bleachers look crowded, but nonetheless silence and waiting hang over. Noticeable absences show up among the various teams' supporters – rumors go round that the wildest ones have mysteriously disappeared during the night and nothing is known of them any more.

The Conjsules rise, salute the crowd, they respond with a prolonged, choral ovation. The Plebeian Aedile starts the race and the chariots, with their drivers commanding them, start moving swiftly. The already mentioned Spandex starts near the bleachers. To his right there is Venetus Magnus for the Veneta team, driven by Gaul Giscon, an oft-battered driver whose body is still plagued from Roman arms' wounds. Next, towards the spina, runs Blue Max, also for Veneta, driven by the Briton Ursinus – a great strategist, small but powerful in controlling his horses, great trainer and real sportsman. Next to the spina, the Russata team races with Rubidea, driven by the half-blood Tracian Barbarufa, whose name ("curly beard") says it all about the driver's face, who for the rest has nothing really exceptional: average build, height ditto, no big sports meritorious award.

On the first straight line everyone tries to move mid-track. The hubs clash into each other provoking sparks and amazed exclamations from the audience. At the first bend, Spandex, risking everything not to lose his standing, is forced to spin on one wheel up to the end of the first lap, where no-one seems to manage to overcome the others.

The chase goes on tightly for the second lap, until, at the beginning of the third, on the first straight line Ursinus urges his horses, who speed up under his lashes putting a remarkable distance between them and the others – suffice to say that, while Spandex tries his best during the secont straight line to unnerve the others, dancing around in complex but risky manoeuvres, the Briton moves very confidently to the start of the fourth lap.

So the race's history looks over for the lead, but for the second, qualification-worth place, the chase is still tight: Spandex fights up to the end, reaching a well deserved second place already at the start of lap four, leaving everyone else behind.

While Ursinus keeps moving on to the fifth lap and Spandex holds steadily his second place, Giscon and Barbarufa  keep moving in a head-to-head as anonymous as it is meaningless.

This the race ends with the victory of Blue Max. Second is Velociraptor, third (by a close call) Venetus Magnus, fourth and last Rubidea.

A dissatisfied audience leaves the circus. Except than in the beginning, the race didn't give any big emotions – sometimes a surprise is born unexpedted, and instead where something is hoped for, disappointment can be burning... we'll see at tomorrow's race, everyone mumbles. The Consules, on the other hand, are coming out with pride and satisfaction – not only for not having to witness the petty people's quarrels yet again, but mostly for having won a huge sum of money from Domina C. Aurelia Falco Silvana!

 

As with the previous reports, on behalf of Nova Roma, Plebeian Aedile Publius Constantinus Placidus sends extra special thanks to his scribe Gaius Aurelius Vindex, whose substantial and always improving contributions to the writing of these reports are absolutely invaluable, and, of course, greatly appreciated.

Gratias multas ago tibi, C. Aur. Vindex. – P.C.P.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56389 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-24
Subject: NR taxes.
SALVETE!

This message is to remind that all who want to pay the tax still have
one week to make the payment.

Details:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXI

List of assidui:
http://tinyurl.com/2olu4e

Until now, 146 citizens paid the taxes. My thanks for their dedication!

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56390 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-25
Subject: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standings, item #5
Salvete omnes.

Here are the correct answers for item #4:

1. Let there be light. And there was light. ("King James" translation); Light be made. And light was. (literal)
2. The Book of Genesis, or just Genesis.
3. Void, empty. "Terra autem erat inanis" = "Earth itself was void".
4. To have an idea, to come up with something  - especially referring to someone who finds a way to solve a problem or a difficult situation. It may also be an ironic equivalent of "Eureka!". I wasn't asking for the meaning of the sentences within the Bible (as I said, they are meant to have no implications), but for their figurative meaning in everyday speech. I'm sorry if the question was unclear.

Current standings:

1) L. Vitellius Triarius: 24 points
2) Gallus Solaris Alexander: 23 points
3) Cn. Equitius Marinus: 22 points.
3) C. Fulvius Severus: 15 points.
4) Tib. Galerius Paulinus: 8 points.
5) Q. Salonius Cato: 3 points.

And now for item #5...

Gutta cavat lapidem

1. What does the phrase mean in English?
2. Who wrote it ORIGINALLY? [Several writers wrote substantially the same thing, but only one wrote the phrase as it is above.]
3. What is the most common, positive, figurative meaning of the phrase ?
4. [optional = 1 bonus point] What is the (relatively lesser-known) negative figurative meaning of the phrase?

Remember to send your answers directly and privately to me (ugo.coppola@...). Do not reply to this message from the Yahoo Nova Roma maliing list website.

Also, try not to use Wikipedia. ;-)

Bene valete,
Publius Constantinus Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56391 From: libero Date: 2008-04-25
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standing

I just forgot to sign my answers! The mail you just received without signature is by

Gallus Solaris Alexander

 


Da: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] Per conto di Ugo Coppola
Inviato: venerdì 25 aprile 2008 10.54
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standings, item #5

 

Salvete omnes.

Here are the correct answers for item #4:

1. Let there be light. And there was light. ("King James" translation) ; Light be made. And light was. (literal)
2. The Book of Genesis, or just Genesis.
3. Void, empty. "Terra autem erat inanis" = "Earth itself was void".
4. To have an idea, to come up with something  - especially referring to someone who finds a way to solve a problem or a difficult situation. It may also be an ironic equivalent of "Eureka!". I wasn't asking for the meaning of the sentences within the Bible (as I said, they are meant to have no implications) , but for their figurative meaning in everyday speech. I'm sorry if the question was unclear.

Current standings:

1) L. Vitellius Triarius: 24 points
2) Gallus Solaris Alexander: 23 points
3) Cn. Equitius Marinus: 22 points.
3) C. Fulvius Severus: 15 points.
4) Tib. Galerius Paulinus: 8 points.
5) Q. Salonius Cato: 3 points.

And now for item #5...

Gutta cavat lapidem

1. What does the phrase mean in English?
2. Who wrote it ORIGINALLY? [Several writers wrote substantially the same thing, but only one wrote the phrase as it is above.]
3. What is the most common, positive, figurative meaning of the phrase ?
4. [optional = 1 bonus point] What is the (relatively lesser-known) negative figurative meaning of the phrase?

Remember to send your answers directly and privately to me (ugo.coppola@ tin.it). Do not reply to this message from the Yahoo Nova Roma maliing list website.

Also, try not to use Wikipedia. ;-)

Bene valete,
Publius Constantinus Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56392 From: Marco La Franca Date: 2008-04-25
Subject: Avete
Avete  populus romanus
 
My name is Marcus Apuleius Maritimus, Im Italian.Im in Nova Roma since 2005 and currentely I have the assidui status.As well Im member of Pomerium.
I didn't ,actually, partecipated to any mailing list so far,but this year its different and it will see me more active.So I just wanna let you know Im here.
 
Salvete
 
Marcus A.M


Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
La casella di posta intelligente.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56393 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-25
Subject: Re: Avete
SALVE MARITIME!

You are welcome. I saw in your photos from the Italian list you like
to travel. Well, keep close to Vindex and come in Dacia this summer.
Guaranted, that will be great experience.

VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marco La Franca <lafrancamarco@...>
wrote:
>
> Avete populus romanus
>
> My name is Marcus Apuleius Maritimus, Im Italian.Im in Nova Roma
since 2005 and currentely I have the assidui status.As well Im member
of Pomerium.
> I didn't ,actually, partecipated to any mailing list so far,but
this year its different and it will see me more active.So I just
wanna let you know Im here.
>
> Salvete
>
> Marcus A.M
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
> La casella di posta intelligente.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56394 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-25
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC - Chariot race: Semi-final 1

April 25, 2761 AUC

The day lends itself perfectly to racing and any other activities. The scent of flowers and grain is in the air, the Circus Maximus waits for its sacrificing heroes and everything looks perfect for a great race, worth of the Roman people's fame. The bleachers of the imposing building, crowded everywhere, frame the first semifinals of the Ludi. The drivers on their extraordinary chariots, painted with their teams' colors and decorated with lightning arrows, golden eagles and various other emblems, are ready to start. From the bleachers, deafening supporting shouts don't stop for an istant, cheering for their pals or offending the rivals, to which they are wishing the worst disasters or the most catastrophic accidents.

Now the race is actually starting, the wheels of the small warfare chariots move faster and faster, pulled by strong horses used and trained to bear any fatigue. No one is intentioned to give even a single centimeter to his rivals, the chariots gets tight near each other with very dangerous spinnings. The hits on the drivers' bodies mark the flesh but not the spirit, which, untamed, aspires to victory.

Antropophagus, driving the bright red Germanica chariot for the Russata teams – one who even his own supporters are ashamed to cheer for – gets right into the path of Celt Ambicatos, solidly at the reins of Praesina's The Sunburst.. The latter one tries to overtake Antropophagus on the right and Incitator, driving Veneta's Delectus Consulis, pushing him from the right. The Greek finds himself within a terrible clamp and decides trying his fortune: pushing his horses, cuts right into the curve at an amazing speed leaving his rivals behind. In the meantime, the strong Briton woman Aoife, driving Biga Fortuna – the sole survivor from the Albata team –  is now leading the race calmly, on her own, but not without impetus.

At the second lap, Antropophagus and Aoife couple up in the lead position, and right behind them, almost forming a cube, Ambicatos and Incitator. The two leaders cannot keep their intense pace for very long, and soon the backing duo reaches them and clashes into them. The irons' clashing noise is almost unbearable, sparks and insults fly everywhere, chariots bang into each other violently, but fortuna audaces iuvat, so who was last comes up leading and starts leading the rush.

So by the start of lap three the standings are completely reversed, but nothing is eternal – especially in a chariot race – and indeed everything comes back into a perfect parity.

At the start of the fourth lap, the chariots show up as astraight line, Antropophagus and Aoife in the middle and Incitator in the track's outer limit. So everything is back as in the very start – one may even say that they made much ado about nothing, but working hard is in man's destiny and it eventually brings to glory: per aspera ad astra.
The horses are now becoming worn out, drivers understand that and in the fifth lap nothing changes, everyone holds on to the final rush which shall mark the end of the race and the fate of many people attending. At the start of the sixth lap, strong-bodied Aoife of the Silures starts progressively increasing the power of her action, and the greater health of her horses makes itself clearly felt., increasing her distance from the rivals. She cuts the curve near the spine, Incitator follow closely, she feels the breath of the rival's orses on her neck but holds on and keeps leading until the very end – Biga Fortuna crosses the goal in glory.
Same goes for Incitator, who, through skillful driving and even a bit of risk, manages to honour the Veneta team with a qualification into the final race. Third, not very far away from the second, there's Antropophagus, and last, just for an arm's lenghth, the worn-out Celt Ambicatos. Thus this fifth race concludes itself, the chariots are very much marked just like their drivers. Even some audience members come out the Circus with bruised faces and bodies, but all of this is within the rules – it's normal for a show in Rome!

 

As always, and on behalf of Nova Roma, Plebeian Aedile Publius Constantinus Placidus sends extra special,  heartfelt thanks to his scribe Gaius Aurelius Vindex, whose substantial contributions to the writing of this report were, as usual, absolutely invaluable, absolutely perfect and, of course, extremely appreciated.

Gratias plurimas ago tibi. – P.C.P.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56395 From: waydem002 Date: 2008-04-26
Subject: Re: Avete
hello,
am happy to read from you,am new to this site ,i want to be come
your citizen......can we be good friends?







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marco La Franca <lafrancamarco@...>
wrote:
>
> Avete populus romanus
>
> My name is Marcus Apuleius Maritimus, Im Italian.Im in Nova Roma
since 2005 and currentely I have the assidui status.As well Im member
of Pomerium.
> I didn't ,actually, partecipated to any mailing list so far,but
this year its different and it will see me more active.So I just wanna
let you know Im here.
>
> Salvete
>
> Marcus A.M
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
> La casella di posta intelligente.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56396 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-26
Subject: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standings, item #6
Salvete omnes.

Here are the answers for item #5 of the Historical Quiz

1) A drop carves [hollows out, makes a hole in] a stone.
2) Publius Ovidius Naso, also known as Ovid. *
3) By insisting, insisting and insisting, you may attain seemingly unreachable, impossible goals. **
4) Insisting too much (for the wrong reasons) may cause harm or damage to someone or something. **

* Sulmona, in the middle of Abruzzo, is known all over the world for its confetti - which are white sweet things you eat at marriages, NOT tiny paper thinghies you throw up in the air at New Year's Eve parties!! :-) - and for being Ovid's birthplace. As I was born, live and work in Abruzzo, it seemed fitting for me, and for this quiz, to have a tribute to the best-known Latin poet from my own region.

** These are just indications of what the correct answers should be. Anything that's more or less along the same lines is valid.

Current standings:

1) L. Vitellius Triarius: 31 points
2) Gallus Solaris Alexander: 30 points
3) Cn. Equitius Marinus: 29 points.
4) C. Fulvius Severus: 15 points.
5) Tib. Galerius Paulinus: 8 points.
6) C. Aurelia Falco Silvana: 6 points.
7) Q. Salonius Cato: 3 points.

And now for the sixth (and final) item of the quiz...

Pecunia non olet.
[also quoted as simply "Non olet."]

1. What does the phrase mean in English?
2. Who is it attributed to?
3. Sum up (in no more than 2-3 full sentences) the episode which allegedly originated the phrase.
4. [optional = 1 bonus point]  What is the main reason why the alleged originator of the phrase was involved in that episode?

Remember, as always, to send your answers directly and privately to me (ugo.coppola@...) and NOT by replying to this message on the mailing list's website.

I am very sorry for the fact that I posted this item much later than the previous ones. For this reason, I shall accept your replies up to late Sunday evening, when the quiz shall be officially closed and the highest-scorer shall be declared winner.

As always, try not to use Wikipedia. ;-)

Bene valete,
Publius Constantinus Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romaæ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56397 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-26
Subject: Re: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, current standings, item #6
SALVETE!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Ugo Coppola" <ugo.coppola@...>
wrote:

> * Sulmona, in the middle of Abruzzo, is known all over the world
for its confetti - which are white sweet things you eat at
marriages, NOT tiny paper thinghies you throw up in the air at New
Year's Eve parties!! :-) - and for being Ovid's birthplace. As I was
born, live and work in Abruzzo, it seemed fitting for me, and for
this quiz, to have a tribute to the best-known Latin poet from my
own region.>>>

When I visited Abruzzo, last year, I didn't paid attention to
Sulmona. The city is near the road from Pescara to Rome and I was
very close. I regret that and this is an example about how a trip
wasn't planning in detail.

At 8 August, 8 AC, Publius Ovidius Naso was exiled by Augustus to
Tomis. 2000 years ago.
The exile reason is unknown. Ovidius himself wrote about his crime
that it was "carmen et error" (a poem and a mistake). It is supposed
that the error Ovidius made was political.
Ovidius arrived at Tomis and lived there until his dead in 17 AC. At
Tomis he wrote "Tristia" and "Epistulae ex Ponto".
In 1887 the Italian sculptor Ettore Ferrari created at Tomis a
statue dedicated to Ovidius. The statue was duplicated in 1925 for
Sulmona.

I was emotioned when I visited last year the Tomis area where
Ovidius lived. I took some photos and even if I presented them on
this list I will post the link again. It is my simple way to
commemorate Ovidius:
http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/tomis.htm


VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56398 From: Marco La Franca Date: 2008-04-26
Subject: Re: Avete
Salve Waydem.
 
A warm welcome to u 2,
yes, u can definetely become Nova Roma citizen,as well our good friend. Just get into the site of http://www.novaroma.org/ and follow carefully the steps.
As well if u wish, u can become member of Pomerium.Wich is a research and cultural association historical and archeological  Romanesque. http://www.pomerium.org/  For any question feel free to ask, we will be very glad to help u.
 
Vale
Marcus.A.M
 

waydem002 <waydem002@...> ha scritto:
hello,
am happy to read from you,am new to this site ,i want to be come
your citizen..... .can we be good friends?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Marco La Franca <lafrancamarco@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Avete populus romanus
>
> My name is Marcus Apuleius Maritimus, Im Italian.Im in Nova Roma
since 2005 and currentely I have the assidui status.As well Im member
of Pomerium.
> I didn't ,actually, partecipated to any mailing list so far,but
this year its different and it will see me more active.So I just wanna
let you know Im here.
>
> Salvete
>
> Marcus A.M
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ---
> Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
> La casella di posta intelligente.
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56399 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-26
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC - Chariot race: Semi-final 2

April 26, 2761 AUC

The days rolling by one after another measure the time of life and of the Ludi. The day of glory and final victory is nearer and nearer and today everyone, in the World-Ruling Urbs, the outcome of the second semi-final, which shall select the last two entrants in the final. Everything is ready in the Circus Maximus, the mood is the usual one of the great events, the chariots with their crews are all lined up on the start line and wait eagerly for the race's start. From spina to bleachers the grid is as follows: Faolchú Dubh driven by Barinthus for the Veneta team, Necopinatus, driven by Adrastos for Praesina. Next up by Veneta's second qualified chariot, Blue Max with the Briton Ursinus at the reins, and also Praesina's got a second entry: Velociraptor and its mighty driver, Spandex the Vandal.

The race starts, and right away goes Spandex, who we talked about previously, pushing his horses with a relentless rhythm and immediately takes the lead, coming up in front of them all at the first straight line. The others follow in line, at a constant pace, and they look like they're waiting for the arrowhead-shaped chariot to wear off its  fury.

Even during the second lap, the Vandal's efforts don't look like they're going to diminish –

he actually looks he's going for the final rush pushing the dogs to their utmost. On the second lap's first straight line, the others watch in disbelief the Vandal's mindless tactics, but a doubt starts creeping in their mind: will he able to keep such a pace for all of the six laps?

However, just to clarify matters and not to stay too behind, at the start of the third lap, the Celt Barinthus starts accelerating gradually, quickly the muscular legs of his huge stallions respond to the driver's commands, and at the third lap's first bend, Faolchú Dubh strongly earns the second place on his own. Behind, but not far, Adrastos and Ursinus in a continuous head-to-head duel.

But suddenly, just like they were expected, Spandex' Spanish horses can't keep with the hellish rhythm they're being imposed and, at the start of the fourth lap, are reached and overtaken by Faolchú Dubh flying over the straight line on its own. Spandex doesn't look like he has no way any longer to take the race back in his won hands – indeed, just like an empty jar whose Falernum content has already been spilled, his horses can't do anything anymore... managing to finish the race in a decent mannerwill surely be enough, if not too much, for him. Indeed Adrastos seizes the day and, not wanting to let the chance slip away from him, rushes on and, overtaking the vandal, comes into the second place; then with a perfect cut of the curve he gets near Barinthus and tries to overtake him. But the latter resists, and he even manages to push the rival, almost making him touch the walls. At the start of the fifth lap, well, this race is already over. First, with a great advance, Faolchú Dubh, second is Necopinatus with Adrastos, third Blue Max with Ursinus, who has overtook with no effort the drained-out Velociraptor team with Spandex, who end up last.

In the sixth and last lap, a wordless deal seems to come between the two leaders as none of them really wants to risk accidents and breaks who may compromise the final – as a matter of fact, the rivals can't reach them anymore, so why take risks? So the race ends without any further mishaps: first is Barintus, second is Adrastos, third is Ursinus, and fourth is Spandex, who maybe overdid it to please his powerful owner...

Everyone is leaving from the imposing building, but no-one is talking about the race they've just witnessed: everyone is thinking about the final to be played. That's the way of the world – the past is already history after a few minutes, and what arises in the crowd the greatest interest is the future.


As always, and on behalf of Nova Roma, Plebeian Aedile Publius Constantinus Placidus sends extra special, utmost thanks to his scribe Gaius Aurelius Vindex, whose contribution to the actual writing of this report was 100% perfect, absolutely precious and, of course, extremely appreciated.

GRATIAS PLURIMAS AGO TIBI,  AURELI VINDEX. – P.C.P.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56400 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Photos from the meeting in Rome
L. Livia Plauta omnibus SPD:

As I had announced, I came to Rome for the feriae latinae and the
other events organized by the Curia Italica and Pomerium for the
birthday of Rome.
I spent three very tiring but wonderful days in the company of local
Novaromans, and those who came from other parts of Italy.
The first day, friday the18th,was dedicated to an excursion to the
etruscan necropolis of Norchia and the remains of the etruscan road
cut into rock in the area, wich then became a roman road, and in the
middle ages the via Francigena, the main thoroughfare between
northern and southern Italy.
I had then the occasion to make friends with some wonderful people:
Perusianus, Vindex, Maro, Maritimus, all of whom you can see in my
photos.

Photos of this day are split between two flickr albums:the first is
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25930429@N05/sets/72157604714738247/

the second one is http://www.flickr.com/photos/25985458@N04/

Here you also find fewer photos of the second day, the 19th.
On that day I had the chance to meet a lot of NR and Pomerium
members, and they organized the visit to the roman domus under
palace Valentini, which are not usually open to the public.
No words can describe what is a state-of the art multimedia
experience, which lets you really "live" the reconstruction.
We basically spent all day together, but unfortunately that doesn't
reflect in my photos.

I would have liked to give a more extensive account, but I'm still
in Rome and my only internet access is through internet cafés.
That's also the reason why I haven't put up the photos of the third
day yet, which is when we went up on Mount Albano to perform a
ceremony to Juppiter Latiaris.


Optime valete omnes.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56401 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Qui Latine scit, huc veniat!
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus quaestor consularis et legatus pr. pr. Pannoniae omnibus Novis Romanis sal.:


Novum forum adhuc privatum mox publicum Novae Romae Latinum vobis creatum est! Lingua tantum Latina ibi adhibetur.

ENG.: There is a new all Latin mailing list where you can exercise your Latin without being blamed for your mistakes, where you can feel totaly Roman.

Omnes vos quaeso huc veniatis, Latinitatem Novae Romae hic colatis:

ENG.: I ask you to subscribe to this list to promote the Latinity of Nova Roma, to demonstrate to the world that we are true Romans using Latin and that the Latin language is NOT DEAD:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma-Latina/

Vos jam multi expectamus vivá delectati linguae Latinae voluptate. Venite vos quoque apud nos: majora fortiora facta apud nos fiunt! :-)

ENG.: We are waiting for you. Suit up, Romans. Join us to enjoy this awesome living Latin together: it's gonna be legendary! :-)



Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------------------
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56402 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Re: Photos from the meeting in Rome
Liviae s.d.

This is always very pleasant to see such pictures of known (or
unknown yet) Nova Roma fellows, all together.

At the same time, it reminds you that you would have liked to be
there with them, if the unfair life has not decided otherwise!


Thanks for the pictures, Plauta, and vale bene et omnes Italiani.


P. Memmius Albucius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...>
wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus SPD:
>
> As I had announced, I came to Rome for the feriae latinae and the
> other events organized by the Curia Italica and Pomerium for the
> birthday of Rome.
> I spent three very tiring but wonderful days in the company of
local
> Novaromans, and those who came from other parts of Italy.
(..)

> I had then the occasion to make friends with some wonderful people:
> Perusianus, Vindex, Maro, Maritimus, all of whom you can see in my
> photos.
>
> Photos of this day are split between two flickr albums:the first is
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25930429@N05/sets/72157604714738247/
>
> the second one is http://www.flickr.com/photos/25985458@N04/
>
(..)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56403 From: Marco La Franca Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Re: Photos from the meeting in Rome
Ave Lucia Livia P.
 
Thanks for the beautifull pics.Those days were very exiting .
By the way I took a look of the Norchia area by google Earth. And the cows were still alive.
 
Vale
Marcus Apuleius Maritimus

Lucia Livia Plauta <cases@...> ha scritto:
L. Livia Plauta omnibus SPD:

As I had announced, I came to Rome for the feriae latinae and the
other events organized by the Curia Italica and Pomerium for the
birthday of Rome.
I spent three very tiring but wonderful days in the company of local
Novaromans, and those who came from other parts of Italy.
The first day, friday the18th,was dedicated to an excursion to the
etruscan necropolis of Norchia and the remains of the etruscan road
cut into rock in the area, wich then became a roman road, and in the
middle ages the via Francigena, the main thoroughfare between
northern and southern Italy.
I had then the occasion to make friends with some wonderful people:
Perusianus, Vindex, Maro, Maritimus, all of whom you can see in my
photos.

Photos of this day are split between two flickr albums:the first is
http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 25930429@ N05/sets/ 7215760471473824 7/

the second one is http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 25985458@ N04/

Here you also find fewer photos of the second day, the 19th.
On that day I had the chance to meet a lot of NR and Pomerium
members, and they organized the visit to the roman domus under
palace Valentini, which are not usually open to the public.
No words can describe what is a state-of the art multimedia
experience, which lets you really "live" the reconstruction.
We basically spent all day together, but unfortunately that doesn't
reflect in my photos.

I would have liked to give a more extensive account, but I'm still
in Rome and my only internet access is through internet cafés.
That's also the reason why I haven't put up the photos of the third
day yet, which is when we went up on Mount Albano to perform a
ceremony to Juppiter Latiaris.

Optime valete omnes.



Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
La casella di posta intelligente.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56404 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Historical Quiz reminder
Aedilis Plebis Publius Constantinus Placidus SPD.

I would like to remind all citizens that, due to a delay on my side in
posting item #6 of the Ludi Ceriales' Historical quiz, answers to that
item shall be accepted by me for a longer time than for previous items:
namely, up to the very late evening/early night of tomorrow, Monday,
April 28, 2761 AUC - last official day of the Ludi. After that, I will
post the answers for the final item, the quiz and the Ludi themselves
shall be officially closed, and the quiz winner's name shall be
announced.

Optime valete,
P. Con. Placidus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56405 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Re: Photos from the meeting in Rome

Severus Plautae omnibusque sal.

 

Thank you very much for the pictures, amica. I always enjoy meeting Nova Romans, even if it's only this way...

 

Vale et valete optime,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56406 From: Q. Ovidius Sabinus Date: 2008-04-27
Subject: Re: Photos from the meeting in Rome
Amica,

These photos are tremendous -- illa amo. As has been said by other
respondents, I wish I had been there. Thank you for sharing these.

Vale,
- Q. Ovidius Sabinus.


Lucia Livia Plauta wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus SPD:
>
> As I had announced, I came to Rome for the feriae latinae and the
> other events organized by the Curia Italica and Pomerium for the
> birthday of Rome.
> I spent three very tiring but wonderful days in the company of local
> Novaromans, and those who came from other parts of Italy.
> The first day, friday the18th,was dedicated to an excursion to the
> etruscan necropolis of Norchia and the remains of the etruscan road
> cut into rock in the area, wich then became a roman road, and in the
> middle ages the via Francigena, the main thoroughfare between
> northern and southern Italy.
> I had then the occasion to make friends with some wonderful people:
> Perusianus, Vindex, Maro, Maritimus, all of whom you can see in my
> photos.
>
> Photos of this day are split between two flickr albums:the first is
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25930429@N05/sets/72157604714738247/
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/25930429@N05/sets/72157604714738247/>
>
> the second one is http://www.flickr.com/photos/25985458@N04/
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/25985458@N04/>
>
> Here you also find fewer photos of the second day, the 19th.
> On that day I had the chance to meet a lot of NR and Pomerium
> members, and they organized the visit to the roman domus under
> palace Valentini, which are not usually open to the public.
> No words can describe what is a state-of the art multimedia
> experience, which lets you really "live" the reconstruction.
> We basically spent all day together, but unfortunately that doesn't
> reflect in my photos.
>
> I would have liked to give a more extensive account, but I'm still
> in Rome and my only internet access is through internet cafés.
> That's also the reason why I haven't put up the photos of the third
> day yet, which is when we went up on Mount Albano to perform a
> ceremony to Juppiter Latiaris.
>
> Optime valete omnes.
>
>


--
"Quid fine laboramus," asked the soldier building the road to the border.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56407 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Nova Roman Flag Project
Salvete Nova Romans

I would like to announce the formation of the Nova Roma flag
project. Just as a a group of citizens banded together to mint our
second round of Nova Roman coins, I would like to enlist anybody who
is interested in doing the same for a new run of Nova Roman flags.

These flags would be similar to the ones made years ago but would be
the size of a regular/modern national flag. The flags would be
3'x5' (36"x60", 91cmx152cm ), silk-screened, double row of stitches
all around, and two brass grommets. They would be correct on one
side.

For each flag sold $5.00 will be donated to Nova Roma.

If you are interested in helping please join here

nrcoins-subscribe@yahoogroups.com


Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56408 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Paying taxes
Sorry I've had a total brainfog and can't find the link to pay my taxes by paypal. Can someone point me in the right direction please?
 
Thanks
Flavia Lucilla Merula
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56409 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes

C. Aemilius Crassus Flaviae Lucillae Merulae SPD,

 

I don’t know what you have tried so far but for me the easiest way is:

- Go to Album Civium

http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album

- Log in in the upper right corner

- Choose My Account

- Choose Make a payment

- In the end of the page there is the Payment options, just choose paypal.

 

I hope this helps,

 

Di te incolumem custodiant.
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


----- Original Message ----
From: Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:34:23 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Paying taxes

Sorry I've had a total brainfog and can't find the link to pay my taxes by paypal. Can someone point me in the right direction please?
 
Thanks
Flavia Lucilla Merula


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56410 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes
2008/4/28 Gaius Aemilius Crassus <septemtrionis@...>:

C. Aemilius Crassus Flaviae Lucillae Merulae SPD,

 

I don't know what you have tried so far but for me the easiest way is:

- Go to Album Civium

http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album

- Log in in the upper right corner

- Choose My Account

- Choose Make a payment

- In the end of the page there is the Payment options, just choose paypal.

 
Thank you. I've paid it but apparantly I'm not a citizen :-(  Sorry to be a nuisance but how do I contact the censors to let them know my change of address.
 
Many thanks
Flavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56411 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes
Salve:

I have updated your status in the database, you are now listed as an active assidui citizen.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
Censor

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:



2008/4/28 Gaius Aemilius Crassus <septemtrionis@...>:

C. Aemilius Crassus Flaviae Lucillae Merulae SPD,

 

I don't know what you have tried so far but for me the easiest way is:

- Go to Album Civium

http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album

- Log in in the upper right corner

- Choose My Account

- Choose Make a payment

- In the end of the page there is the Payment options, just choose paypal.

 
Thank you. I've paid it but apparantly I'm not a citizen :-(  Sorry to be a nuisance but how do I contact the censors to let them know my change of address.
 
Many thanks
Flavia

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56412 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes

Salve Flavia,

 

To tell you the true I can’t find you in the Album Civium and that means there is some problem with your citizen status. The Censors will probably see your message and try to help you but the way to contact the Censors is through:

 

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/contact

 

And in the Contact field choose Censores.

 

Vale optime bene,

 

C. Aemilius Crassus


 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56413 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:52 AM, David Kling (Modianus) <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
Salve:

I have updated your status in the database, you are now listed as an active assidui citizen.
Thank you
flavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56414 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Paying taxes
2008/4/28 Gaius Aemilius Crassus <septemtrionis@...>:

Salve Flavia,

 

To tell you the true I can't find you in the Album Civium and that means there is some problem with your citizen status. The Censors will probably see your message and try to help you but the way to contact the Censors is through:

 

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/contact

 
Thank you, I've let them know my change of address.
 
Flavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56415 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Photos from the meeting in Rome
thanks a lot Livia for the wonderful pictures and the days in Rome
with you all. IMHO it was a great success, one of the best meeting we
have ever had in Italy.

vale
M IVL PERVSIANVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta omnibus SPD:
>
> As I had announced, I came to Rome for the feriae latinae and the
> other events organized by the Curia Italica and Pomerium for the
> birthday of Rome.
> I spent three very tiring but wonderful days in the company of local
> Novaromans, and those who came from other parts of Italy.
> The first day, friday the18th,was dedicated to an excursion to the
> etruscan necropolis of Norchia and the remains of the etruscan road
> cut into rock in the area, wich then became a roman road, and in the
> middle ages the via Francigena, the main thoroughfare between
> northern and southern Italy.
> I had then the occasion to make friends with some wonderful people:
> Perusianus, Vindex, Maro, Maritimus, all of whom you can see in my
> photos.
>
> Photos of this day are split between two flickr albums:the first is
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25930429@N05/sets/72157604714738247/
>
> the second one is http://www.flickr.com/photos/25985458@N04/
>
> Here you also find fewer photos of the second day, the 19th.
> On that day I had the chance to meet a lot of NR and Pomerium
> members, and they organized the visit to the roman domus under
> palace Valentini, which are not usually open to the public.
> No words can describe what is a state-of the art multimedia
> experience, which lets you really "live" the reconstruction.
> We basically spent all day together, but unfortunately that doesn't
> reflect in my photos.
>
> I would have liked to give a more extensive account, but I'm still
> in Rome and my only internet access is through internet cafés.
> That's also the reason why I haven't put up the photos of the third
> day yet, which is when we went up on Mount Albano to perform a
> ceremony to Juppiter Latiaris.
>
>
> Optime valete omnes.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56416 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: de triduo celebratium
avete omnes,

some pictures (not many) shot in those days in Rome:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/milkoan/sets/72157604776472234

valete
M IVL PERVSIANVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Iulius Perusianus"
<peraznanie@...> wrote:
>
> thanks a lot Livia for the wonderful pictures and the days in Rome
> with you all. IMHO it was a great success, one of the best meeting we
> have ever had in Italy.
>
> vale
> M IVL PERVSIANVS
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@> wrote:
> >
> > L. Livia Plauta omnibus SPD:
> >
> > As I had announced, I came to Rome for the feriae latinae and the
> > other events organized by the Curia Italica and Pomerium for the
> > birthday of Rome.
> > I spent three very tiring but wonderful days in the company of local
> > Novaromans, and those who came from other parts of Italy.
> > The first day, friday the18th,was dedicated to an excursion to the
> > etruscan necropolis of Norchia and the remains of the etruscan road
> > cut into rock in the area, wich then became a roman road, and in the
> > middle ages the via Francigena, the main thoroughfare between
> > northern and southern Italy.
> > I had then the occasion to make friends with some wonderful people:
> > Perusianus, Vindex, Maro, Maritimus, all of whom you can see in my
> > photos.
> >
> > Photos of this day are split between two flickr albums:the first is
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/25930429@N05/sets/72157604714738247/
> >
> > the second one is http://www.flickr.com/photos/25985458@N04/
> >
> > Here you also find fewer photos of the second day, the 19th.
> > On that day I had the chance to meet a lot of NR and Pomerium
> > members, and they organized the visit to the roman domus under
> > palace Valentini, which are not usually open to the public.
> > No words can describe what is a state-of the art multimedia
> > experience, which lets you really "live" the reconstruction.
> > We basically spent all day together, but unfortunately that doesn't
> > reflect in my photos.
> >
> > I would have liked to give a more extensive account, but I'm still
> > in Rome and my only internet access is through internet cafés.
> > That's also the reason why I haven't put up the photos of the third
> > day yet, which is when we went up on Mount Albano to perform a
> > ceremony to Juppiter Latiaris.
> >
> >
> > Optime valete omnes.
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56417 From: Gnaeus Caelius Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Tiberii Galerii Pauline S.P.D.

I would like to announce the formation of the Nova Roma flag project. Just as a a group of citizens banded together to mint our second round of Nova Roman coins, I would like to enlist anybody who is interested in doing the same for a new run of Nova Roman flags.

Are you redesigning the flag and/or NR logo? How much will the flags cost, total?

Vale.

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56418 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC - Chariot race: FINAL

April 28, 2761 AUC

The ancient, imposing Circus Maximus building waits patiently for the epilogue of the Ludi, and their protagonists. From Romulus' times, it is a witness of the innate desire for competition rising high in the Romans' hearts. About 250 hundred people are huddling together to watch the show, and are enjoiing the view of the fountains, of the monuments and of the humongous obelisks of Ramsete II and Thutmosis III. Up in the  pulvinar the Consules watch it all stiffly, imperturbably, wrapped in their magnificent cloaks.

The Porta Triumphalis opens up and the brightly painted chariots, adorned with finely crafted, gold-painted trimmings, enter and place themselves in the carceres near the goals. Biga Fortuna with Aoife of the Silures is starting from near the spine; then, one after another toward the bleachers, there are the other contestants lined up: Delectus Consulis driven by Incitator the Syrian, Faolchú Dubh driven by  Barinthus and Necopinatus, with its Greek driver Adrastos.
Everything is ready for the start, fanfares have their scintillating and rhythmic sounds rise up. The whole arena suddenly plummets into silence, but it is soon broken by the screeching of wheels on the sand, by the neighing of horses under the lashes, and by the drivers' shouts incitating and pushing forward. Incitator and Adrastos immediately launch themselves in a relentless head-to-head duel, no energies spared. They're followed by the odd couple of Aoife and Barinthus; they look like they want to control the race and for this reason they're not allowing much advantage to their rivals.The two leaders watch themselves, study each other, but don't manage to increase their advantage, which is not longer than 10 metres.

In the second lap the situation doesn't change. In the beginning of the third, Adrastos tries to get the lead on his own, but Incitator guesses it, and, enlarging his path towards the right, he pushes his rival towards the circus walls. Adrastos, realizing he can't do anything else, is forced to pull his reins and impose his horses a slow-down which shall cost him the second place – indeed Aoife and Barinthus don't miss that chance and they take the third and fourth place respectively.
By now everything seems to be clearly drown out, but the contestants are not oceans apart and everything's still possible. By the fourth lap, the Syrian on Delectus Consulis still heads the race, but sees his already scarce advantage further reduced in favour of Barinthus, who has overtaken Aoife from the interior. Immediately after that, Aoife herself is attacked and overtaken from the exterior as well by Adrastos, who, perfectly cutting into the second curve of lap four, also brings himself on the astonished Celt's side.
The fifth lap starts, and Adrastos' mighty action allows him to overtake the Celt strongly on the straight line; then he launches himself into chasing Incitator, who in the meantime had slightly increased his advantage.
The sixth and final lap is by now begun and Adrastos' recovery is mighty and unstoppable. He soon gets on the side of the Delectus Consulis chariot; however his run implies a great energic effort, and Syrian Incitator is well aware of this. So he increases his rhythm and once again his head-to-head duel with his pursuer is hard and exhilarating. The crowd is going absolutely wild when both chariots seem to go past the goal together, but Necopinatus' horses, having made an immense efforts, are suddenly are drained off their last energies, so with a jump Delectus Consulis manages to win the race for a hair's length. Second is Necopinatus with Adrastos, third is Barinthus on Faolchú Dubh, and fourth is the great Aoife on Biga Fortuna.

Everyone rises to cheer for the winner and his chariot's owner, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus. Incitator led the race with a textbook performance; he and his victory shall stay in everybody's minds for ever, while no-one shall ever remember the defeated. But the happiest ones shall certainly be the supporters of the Veneta team – the Blues are adding another worthy trophy to their already quite full collection...

 

As always, and for the last time during these Ludi Ceriales, Plebeian Aedile Publius Constantinus Placidus, on behalf of the Aedilitas of Nova Roma, sends extra special and very well-deserved thanks to his Italic scriba, Gaius Aurelius Vindex, whose continued and substantial contributions to the actual writing of this report have been, as usual, 100% perfect, absolutely invaluable, and, of course, extremely appreciated.

GRATIAS PLURIMAS AGO TIBI – P.C.P:

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56419 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Conclusion
Aedilis Plebis Publius Constantinus Placidus omnes civibus Novæ Romæ SPD.

As this year's Ludi Ceriales (which I had the honour of organizing and running for the very first time since I am a citizen of Nova Roma) are drawing to a close, I would like to take this opportunity to express my sincerest and most deeply heartfelt thanks to everyone who contributed to make these Ludi a very enjoyable and very pleasant experience for me, and one that I shall surely repeat in November, with the organization and running of the Ludi Plebeii.

The following list of people that I'd like to thank is, by necessity, very partial. To all of those I am not including - I am extremely grateful to all of you, or, as our fathers would have put it, gratias plurimas ago vobis omnibus.

So, thanks very much to...

-
The Consules, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and Titus Iulis Sabinus, for having made all of this possible in the very first place. [Sabinus,  I hope to see you at the Conventus in Dacia! :-)]
- Everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) who sent me their entries for the Chariot Race, even those who did not have a chance to actually race, this time around. See you all in November!
- Everyone who sent me their answers to the Historical Quiz. I am very sorry for having set such short deadlines between one item and the next - without really meaning to.  I promise I shall do much better next time. Also here, I hope to catch all of you again in November! 

Lastly, but absolutely not leastly, I would like to send extra special thanks to my hard-working, indefatigable scribe - the great Gaius Aurelius Vindex from Provincia Italia, who was kind enough to actually write all of the reports of all rounds (quarter-finals, semi-finals and final) of the Chariot Race, which I then integrated with my own material and translated into English for the international Nova Roma ML. Vindex's deep love and respect for everything truly Roman, his really amazing inventiveness, his unique ability to create fully believable accounts pretty much out of thin air and, of course,  his unquestionable talent for storytelling... all of this was extremely useful for me to carry out - admittedly with great fun on both parts! - a very enjoyable and rewarding task, but still a complex one, at least for a rookie, first-time Aedile like I am! :-) Gratias plurimas ago tibi, Gai Aureli Vindex - vir fortis et gloriosus.

Finally, I hope that all of the participants in these Ludi Ceriales for the year 2761 AUC enjoyed participating in them just as much as I have enjoyed organizing and running them.

Optime valete omnes,
Publius Constantinus Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56420 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: CERIALES - Historical Quiz: answers, FINAL STANDINGS and WINNER
Salvete omnes.

Here are the answers to item #6, the last one of the Historical Quiz:

1) Money doesn't smell (bad) / Money has no (bad) smell / Money doesn't stink ... (etc.)
2) Emperor Vespasian.
3) Vespasian's son Titus questioned his father about the fairness or the aptness of a tax that the Emperor had imposed on public urinals. Vespasian showed him a coin and said: "Money doesn't smell bad". A typical case of "Ipsedixitism". :-)
4) Because he had taxed his own invention. Up to today, in Rome, public toilets are called "Vespasians".

@ Cn. Equitius Marinus: the alleged originator of the phrase is Vespasian - Suetonius attributed it to him. However, the episode was indeed a proof of Vespasian's inventiveness about taxes, so your answer to number 4 is valid. ;-)

FINAL STANDINGS
1) Gallus Solaris Alexander: 37 points
2) Cn. Equitius Marinus: 36 points.
3) L. Vitellius Triarius: 31 points
4) C. Fulvius Severus: 15 points.
5) Tib. Galerius Paulinus: 8 points.
6) C. Aurelia Falco Silvana: 6 points.
7) Q. Salonius Cato: 3 points.

The winner of the quiz is Gallus Solaris Alexander from Provincia Italia. Congratulations from the Aedilitas!

Many, many thanks to all the entrants - and sorry for all of you who weren't able to enter. See you all in November for the second round!

Optime valete,
Publius Constantinus Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56421 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
Salve Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus

The design will remain the same only the size will change. I am thinking of
charging about
$25.00 per flag with $5.00 going to Nova Roma.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


>From: Gnaeus Caelius <cn.caelius@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roman Flag Project
>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:54:00 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus
>Tiberii Galerii Pauline S.P.D.
>
>
>I would like to announce the formation of the Nova Roma flag project. Just
>as a a group of citizens banded together to mint our second round of Nova
>Roman coins, I would like to enlist anybody who is interested in doing the
>same for a new run of Nova Roman flags.
>
>Are you redesigning the flag and/or NR logo? How much will the flags cost,
>total?
>
>Vale.
>
>Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus
>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________________________
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>know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56422 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-28
Subject: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC - Chariot race: FINAL The Blues win the race!
Blues Blues Blues Blues Blues Blues Blues Blues !!!!!!!!!!!

Incitator the Syrian will be richly rewarded his masterful race!!!!

Veneta Veneta Veneta Veneta!!!!!!!

The drinks are on me!!!!!

My thanks to all !!!!

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Facto Veneta

>From: "Ugo Coppola" <ugo.coppola@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC - Chariot race: FINAL
>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:32:07 -0000
>
>
>April 28, 2761 AUC
>
>The ancient, imposing Circus Maximus building waits patiently for the
>epilogue of the Ludi, and their protagonists. From Romulus' times,
>it is a witness of the innate desire for competition rising high in the
>Romans' hearts. About 250 hundred people are huddling together to
>watch the show, and are enjoiing the view of the fountains, of the
>monuments and of the humongous obelisks of Ramsete II and Thutmosis III.
>Up in the pulvinar the Consules watch it all stiffly, imperturbably,
>wrapped in their magnificent cloaks.
>
>The Porta Triumphalis opens up and the brightly painted chariots,
>adorned with finely crafted, gold-painted trimmings, enter and place
>themselves in the carceres near the goals. Biga Fortuna with Aoife of
>the Silures is starting from near the spine; then, one after another
>toward the bleachers, there are the other contestants lined up: Delectus
>Consulis driven by Incitator the Syrian, Faolch� Dubh driven by
>Barinthus and Necopinatus, with its Greek driver Adrastos.
>Everything is ready for the start, fanfares have their scintillating and
>rhythmic sounds rise up. The whole arena suddenly plummets into silence,
>but it is soon broken by the screeching of wheels on the sand, by the
>neighing of horses under the lashes, and by the drivers' shouts
>incitating and pushing forward. Incitator and Adrastos immediately
>launch themselves in a relentless head-to-head duel, no energies spared.
>They're followed by the odd couple of Aoife and Barinthus; they look
>like they want to control the race and for this reason they're not
>allowing much advantage to their rivals.The two leaders watch
>themselves, study each other, but don't manage to increase their
>advantage, which is not longer than 10 metres.
>
>In the second lap the situation doesn't change. In the beginning of
>the third, Adrastos tries to get the lead on his own, but Incitator
>guesses it, and, enlarging his path towards the right, he pushes his
>rival towards the circus walls. Adrastos, realizing he can't do
>anything else, is forced to pull his reins and impose his horses a
>slow-down which shall cost him the second place � indeed Aoife and
>Barinthus don't miss that chance and they take the third and fourth
>place respectively.
>By now everything seems to be clearly drown out, but the contestants are
>not oceans apart and everything's still possible. By the fourth lap,
>the Syrian on Delectus Consulis still heads the race, but sees his
>already scarce advantage further reduced in favour of Barinthus, who has
>overtaken Aoife from the interior. Immediately after that, Aoife herself
>is attacked and overtaken from the exterior as well by Adrastos, who,
>perfectly cutting into the second curve of lap four, also brings himself
>on the astonished Celt's side.
>The fifth lap starts, and Adrastos' mighty action allows him to
>overtake the Celt strongly on the straight line; then he launches
>himself into chasing Incitator, who in the meantime had slightly
>increased his advantage.
>The sixth and final lap is by now begun and Adrastos' recovery is
>mighty and unstoppable. He soon gets on the side of the Delectus
>Consulis chariot; however his run implies a great energic effort, and
>Syrian Incitator is well aware of this. So he increases his rhythm and
>once again his head-to-head duel with his pursuer is hard and
>exhilarating. The crowd is going absolutely wild when both chariots seem
>to go past the goal together, but Necopinatus' horses, having made
>an immense efforts, are suddenly are drained off their last energies, so
>with a jump Delectus Consulis manages to win the race for a hair's
>length. Second is Necopinatus with Adrastos, third is Barinthus on
>Faolch� Dubh, and fourth is the great Aoife on Biga Fortuna.
>
>Everyone rises to cheer for the winner and his chariot's owner,
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus. Incitator led the race with a textbook
>performance; he and his victory shall stay in everybody's minds for
>ever, while no-one shall ever remember the defeated. But the happiest
>ones shall certainly be the supporters of the Veneta team � the
>Blues are adding another worthy trophy to their already quite full
>collection...
>
>As always, and for the last time during these Ludi Ceriales, Plebeian
>Aedile Publius Constantinus Placidus, on behalf of the Aedilitas of Nova
>Roma, sends extra special and very well-deserved thanks to his Italic
>scriba, Gaius Aurelius Vindex, whose continued and substantial
>contributions to the actual writing of this report have been, as usual,
>100% perfect, absolutely invaluable, and, of course, extremely
>appreciated.
>
>GRATIAS PLURIMAS AGO TIBI � P.C.P:
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56423 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Chat? Tomorrow is Market Day
Salvete omnes.

I have heard that the Market Day chats haven't been happening
recently. I'd like to toss a bit of my "newcomer's enthusiasm" around
and see if we could re-start those.

Last night, I chatted with a Citizen using Skype. Skype allows both
text and voice chats (voice conferences can have a total of 25 people
in them). This may be a solution for most of us, as Skype is free and
easy to install and use ( skype.com , of course). Or the IRC server
could be re-activated.

Ideas? Suggestions? Comments? Gripes? Concerns?

Valete omnes.

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56424 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
Salve Pauline,
please apologize me but I don't understand what is the NR Flag Project, would you explain me and us the details? I thought it would be a group creating a new flag with new dimensions, shapes and brand. And I would be interested in this job being a professional art director and visual designer. But I suppose this commission have just only commercial goals... please would you give me further details?
 
Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar


Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
La casella di posta intelligente.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56425 From: L. Vitellius Triarius Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Conclusion
Salve Aedile et salvete!

Outstanding games! Personally, I really enjoyed the historical quiz.
This was a bit of change from the norm. I only regret that I did not
get to send in the final set of questions, but I "was forced" to go
to a golf tournament in South Carolina...LOL! I will look forward to
November's games.

Vale et valete,

Triarius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Ugo Coppola" <ugo.coppola@...>
wrote:
>
> Aedilis Plebis Publius Constantinus Placidus omnes civibus Novæ
> Romæ SPD.
>
> As this year's Ludi Ceriales (which I had the honour of organizing
and
> running for the very first time since I am a citizen of Nova Roma)
are
> drawing to a close, I would like to take this opportunity to
express my
> sincerest and most deeply heartfelt thanks to everyone who
contributed
> to make these Ludi a very enjoyable and very pleasant experience
for me,
> and one that I shall surely repeat in November, with the
organization
> and running of the Ludi Plebeii.
>
> The following list of people that I'd like to thank is, by
necessity,
> very partial. To all of those I am not including - I am extremely
> grateful to all of you, or, as our fathers would have put it,
gratias
> plurimas ago vobis omnibus.
>
> So, thanks very much to...
>
> - The Consules, Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and Titus Iulis
> Sabinus, for having made all of this possible in the very first
place.
> [Sabinus, I hope to see you at the Conventus in Dacia! :-)]
> - Everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) who sent me their entries for the
> Chariot Race, even those who did not have a chance to actually race,
> this time around. See you all in November!
> - Everyone who sent me their answers to the Historical Quiz. I am
very
> sorry for having set such short deadlines between one item and the
next
> - without really meaning to. I promise I shall do much better next
> time. Also here, I hope to catch all of you again in November!
>
> Lastly, but absolutely not leastly, I would like to send extra
special
> thanks to my hard-working, indefatigable scribe - the great Gaius
> Aurelius Vindex from Provincia Italia, who was kind enough to
actually
> write all of the reports of all rounds (quarter-finals, semi-finals
and
> final) of the Chariot Race, which I then integrated with my own
material
> and translated into English for the international Nova Roma ML.
Vindex's
> deep love and respect for everything truly Roman, his really amazing
> inventiveness, his unique ability to create fully believable
accounts
> pretty much out of thin air and, of course, his unquestionable
talent
> for storytelling... all of this was extremely useful for me to
carry out
> - admittedly with great fun on both parts! - a very enjoyable and
> rewarding task, but still a complex one, at least for a rookie,
> first-time Aedile like I am! :-) Gratias plurimas ago tibi, Gai
Aureli
> Vindex - vir fortis et gloriosus.
>
> Finally, I hope that all of the participants in these Ludi Ceriales
for
> the year 2761 AUC enjoyed participating in them just as much as I
have
> enjoyed organizing and running them.
>
> Optime valete omnes,
> Publius Constantinus Placidus
> Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56426 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Conclusion
Salve Triari,

"L. Vitellius Triarius" <lucius_vitellius_triarius@...> writes:

> I only regret that I did not
> get to send in the final set of questions, but I "was forced" to go
> to a golf tournament in South Carolina...LOL!

Brave lad. I commend you on your courage. It's a tough job, but
someone has to do it.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56427 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Re: LUDI CERIALES 2671 AUC: Conclusion

>Salve Aedile et salvete!

>Outstanding games! Personally, I really enjoyed the historical quiz.
>This was a bit of change from the norm.


Ave, Triarius.  Although I'm really not aware of what 'the norm' is, I wish to thank you for your kind words. I'm glad that you enjoyed the quiz, hopefully just as much as I enjoyed creating it.



>I only regret that I did not
>get to send in the final set of questions, but I "was forced" to go
>to a golf tournament in South Carolina...LOL! I will look forward to
>November's games.




__,_._,__



As I already said in the message I posted on the list, I'm very sorry that I had such short deadlines between the items. I'll surely do better in November. Right now everything's pretty much to be defined, but I think I shall set up a similar quiz in November - based on longer sentences and famous Latin writers.
See you, and everyone else, at the Ludi Plebeii! ;-)

Optime valete omnes,
P. Con. Placidus
Aedilis Plebis Novæ Romæ

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56428 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
Salve Caesar

As you know the Nova Roman flags that were made a number of years ago are
sold out.

I am proposing a group pool its money, like the coin project so we can have
new flags made.
I have one of the original flags and they are nice but I want one that is
the size and shape of a modern national flag. So I am asking to work with
others to order a new flag that is 3'by5'.

As to flag design we are keeping the same design only the size will be
changed.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus



>From: Francesco Valenzano <fraelov@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:14:46 +0000 (GMT)
>
>Salve Pauline,
>please apologize me but I don't understand what is the NR Flag Project,
>would you explain me and us the details? I thought it would be a group
>creating a new flag with new dimensions, shapes and brand. And I would be
>interested in this job being a professional art director and visual
>designer. But I suppose this commission have just only commercial goals....
>please would you give me further details?
>Vale
>Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
>
> Tante idee per la salvaguardia del nostro Pianeta su Yahoo! For Good
>http://it.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56429 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Ager Publicus - Its Use, Disuse, and Future
Valete omnes.

I am replying to messages from a few months ago. I guess that is
what a newbie gets for going through the archives. :-)

> > Question - if I may - On the land in Texas, are there/is there
> > plans to ever have a working ranch, community, or the like,
> > where people can actually go and visit and/or stay?
>
> No. It's very desolate land, and there are no public utilities
> available.

If there are no plans to ever use it, why have it? Why pay the
macronational taxes on it? ( USD$35.00/annus according to
http://www.onlineera.com/nr/PrelimBudget2761.htm ).

I grew up in Texas, and I have voluntarily chosen to live in a
desert (Tucson, Arizona). I love the desert. Anyone who has lived
there for any period of time knows that it is not desolate.

"Desolate" is an interesting word. It is from Latin "desolatus",
past participle of "desolare" to abandon, from "de- + solus" alone. My
friend Webster, who gave me the previous information, says that it
means, "devoid of inhabitants and visitors". He also gives another
meaning, "barren, lifeless". Now, most people seem to assume the
latter about the Ager Publicus. Having been in that area and in
deserts for years, I know otherwise. "According to the World Wide Fund
for Nature, the Chihuahuan Desert may be the most biologically diverse
desert in the world, whether measured on species richness or endemism"
(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahuan_desert ). People live in
the area. The southwestern deserts of North America have the
fastest-growing population in the United States. In other words, I
suggest that the Ager Publicus not be discarded due to "isolation",
"desolation", or the like. Plenty of food crops can be grown in that
area very successfully, and there are plenty of wild edibles (plant
and animal).

By developing the Ager Publicus, it would no longer be desolate, in
any sense of the word.

As for "public utilities", you do what everyone else does: drill a
well for water or have it trucked in, and if you can't get power lines
run there (often very expensive), you use solar or wind. West Texas
has commercial wind farms and plenty of sun. Propane and butane can be
used for heating and cooking.

I've lived, long-term, in rural environments with "no public
utilities". It's actually quite nice not having the bills that come
with such utilities. :-) Most people need less than they think, and
they enjoy it when the upkeep requirements of those unneeded things
are reduced.

My suggestion: use the Ager Publicus. Nova Roma already owns it, so
use it. It's not perfect, but nothing is, and it's another aspect of
Nova Roma's existence. I would be glad to help in any way I can, if
requested.

Valete.

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus
Provisional Citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56430 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-04-29
Subject: Chat! It's Market Day!
Salvete omnes!

It's Market Day! (Well, as long as Yahoo! sends this out within 24
hours, which isn't guaranteed. :-) )

I'm on Skype as cn.caelius.ahenobarbus. I have created a public chat
called "Nova Roma" at:

http://www.skype.com/go/joinpublicchat?skypename=cn%2ecaelius%2eahenobarbus&topic=Nova%20Roma&blob=DPN9EV6hhq4FNfmDbY_7ZYvAdfLBvF8PYiD6MNzd1W7Keg7ucP0RSnjT_eHf1_LmXnSUF7L5ySNrFWJy7oY

I will attempt to stay here as much as possible over the next 24 hours
(I'm in the Mountain (US;daylight savings active) time zone). Join,
chat, even if for a few minutes, whenever is convenient for you. We
can also create a voice conference call, if people are interested (I
am, so there's 1).

If you need Skype, just go to Skype.com, download, install, create an
account, and go. It's pretty simple.

This may not be perfect, and it may not be the ultimate solution, but
it's here, it works, and it's on today. So, chat today! One day at a
time. :-)

Valete!

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56431 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2008-04-30
Subject: Topics for discussion from the Interim Pontifex Maximus
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

I posted this message to the Collegium Pontificum early this month
before I went off-line. I have also posted it to the NRSacerdotes
list. As these topics will have long reaching effects on the
citizens of Nova Roma and the cultores deorum both within and without
NR, I feel that I should obtain the widest possible responses,
comments, and opinions before the subjects are brought before any
decreta are issued by the CP.

**************************

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

I would like to introduce a few topics for discussion beginning
later this month and would like to post them now. This will give
the members of the Collegium Pontificum time to prepare source
material to help present their opinions. The primary topics for
your consideration are:

1. An opinion on the legal definition of confarreatio and
diffarreatio for use within Nova Roma. My recent research has shown
that by the Middle Republic it was no longer confined to patricians
whose parents had been married confarreatio. This clearly changed
at one point, because Scipio Africanus presumably married his wife
Aemilia Tertia by conferratio, because their elder son was Flamen
Dialis; yet Scipio's mother Pomponia was a plebeian. Likewise,
Julius Caesar married Cornelia Cinna Minor by conferreatio, but
neither had patrician mothers, and Caesar's parents had not married
by conferreatio. On this basis, it is possible for the CP to issue
a legal definition of this form of marriage and to define diffar-
reatio (divortium) based on our available knowledge.
It is important for our membership to have available a form of
marriage that embraces the most profound caerimonia of this
institution. A legal opinion on what constitutes a coemptio (manus)
should also be issued for those wishing a less elaborate marriage
among plebeians; plebeians and peregrinii (non-citizens); or
cultores deorum and those of a different faith and practice.

2. The severe religio (sacred restrictions) of the flamen Dialis and
other two flamen maiores has led Nova Roma to keep these offices
vacant for most of our existance. It is past time for the Sacred
Colleges to agree on a formula that will enable those offices to be
filled by individuals who are not residents of the Urbs. This topic
also has a direct bearing on the first topic that I posted above.
While it is very unlikely for the flamen Dialis and the Pontifex
Maximus to be in attendance at every wedding by confarreatio within
Nova Roma, I believe that a certificate issued by those two priests
could be issued for those marriages that were solemnized within an
established formula that incorporates the principal components of a
traditional confarreatio marriage.
The absence of the flamines maiores within Nova Roma is a glaring
shortcoming that needs to be remedied as soon as possible.

3. The religio of the Vestals is also a topic that needs to be
addressed. Messalina has noted that the cultus of Vesta Mater is at
the very core of the Sacra et Religio yet it has continued to be
neglected by the Sacred Colleges. It is, at least, as important to
have a full number of working, knowledgable Vestals as it is to have
the flamen maiores.

4. The application process for flamines, pontiffs, augurs, and
sacerdoes needs to be amended. Instead of merely listing
qualifications and ideas that may never be put into action,
applicants will need to present specific information, caerimoniae,
and other material to demonstrate their ability to fulfill the
specific duties and responsibilities of the office they wish to
obtain. It is absolutely essential that future applicants
contribute something to NR's primary goal BEFORE they are even
considered for office.

5. As interim Pontifex Maximus, I assumed this office to help to
define it. This has to be something that we must do. Marcus
Moravius has given us a good start but all of us will have to apply
ourselves with zeal to give Nova Roma what our organization needs in
a titular religious leader. The Pontifex Maximus will always be
regarded as something of the principal figurehead of the Sacred
Colleges, even though that is not the actual historical truth. The
duties of this office must be balanced with those of the Flamen
Maiores, the Rex et Regina Sacrorum, and the Vestals whose offices
are the true powers of the Sacra et Religio Romana.

I look forward to the input and opinions that I know will be
forthcoming from all of you, my colleagues, and invite you to share
these topics with other well-informed citizens to receive their
input as well, before any official discussion begins.

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56432 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-04-30
Subject: Confarreatio and other forms of marriage
Salve Aureliane, et salvete omnes,

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus writes, in part:

[...]
> 1. An opinion on the legal definition of confarreatio and
> diffarreatio for use within Nova Roma.

I'm pleased to see you addressing this. Confarreatio marriage is
mentioned in the Lex Equitia Familiaris, section VII Marriage. In
section D it says, "If a male and a female citizen of whom one is a
patrician or a member of the collegium pontificium undergo the
ceremony of confarreatio in the presence of the pontifex maximus,
their relationship is a marriage cum manu contracted by confarreatio."

Of course I left it for the Collegium Pontificum to determine just
exactly *what* the ceremony of confarreatio might entail, but I
figured you'd want to know that we do already have a legal basis for
confarreatio marriage.

You also wrote:
> A legal opinion on what constitutes a coemptio (manus)
> should also be issued for those wishing a less elaborate marriage
> among plebeians; plebeians and peregrinii (non-citizens); or
> cultores deorum and those of a different faith and practice.

Again, I refer you to section VII of the Lex Equitia Familiaris. Much
of this groundwork has already been laid.

You can review the entire lex at
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2004-10-07-vii.html

Vale, et valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56433 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-04-30
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
P. Memmius Albucius Censori Galerio s.d.

This NR Flag idea is a good one : we should every time have flags in
stock, not only for citizens to buy for their individual profit, but
also for our provinces and magistracies.

If you have in mind modifying one of the characteristics of the flag
(its size) the Senate would probably appreciate to examine this
interesting proposition, as the flag is with NR logo, brand name etc.
one of the key senatorial competencies. The recent Senate commission
would come sharp to prepare this folder.


Vale dear Censor,



Memmius






--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve Caesar
>
> As you know the Nova Roman flags that were made a number of years
ago are
> sold out.
>
> I am proposing a group pool its money, like the coin project so we
can have
> new flags made.
> I have one of the original flags and they are nice but I want one
that is
> the size and shape of a modern national flag. So I am asking to
work with
> others to order a new flag that is 3'by5'.
>
> As to flag design we are keeping the same design only the size will
be
> changed.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
> >From: Francesco Valenzano <fraelov@...>
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roman Flag Project
> >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:14:46 +0000 (GMT)
> >
> >Salve Pauline,
> >please apologize me but I don't understand what is the NR Flag
Project,
> >would you explain me and us the details? I thought it would be a
group
> >creating a new flag with new dimensions, shapes and brand. And I
would be
> >interested in this job being a professional art director and
visual
> >designer. But I suppose this commission have just only commercial
goals....
> >please would you give me further details?
> >Vale
> >Fr. Apulus Caesar
> >
> >
> > Tante idee per la salvaguardia del nostro Pianeta su Yahoo!
For Good
> >http://it.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56434 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-04-30
Subject: Re: De Novæ Romæ territorio &c.
Salvete omnes

I'm replying to the wonderfully impassioned plea of A. Gratius
Avitus on 17 December 2007 concerning the need for Nova Roma to have a
constant, active, real-world presence. There's so much in his text
that I'm not going to respond point-by-point; it is enough to say, "I
agree! Let's do it!". If you've not read it, I strongly suggest you do so.

Nova Roma owns land. Despite myths to the contrary, it is not
"desolate, uninhabitable land". It is rural, yes, but I see that as an
asset. So, I suggest that it should be used. The catch: people will
have to go there, shed their blood, sweat, and tears, and build. We
need to spend a little less time behind a keyboard and a little more
time with a shovel in-hand is needed, but both are worthwhile in their
own ways.

Valete omnes

Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Provisional Citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56435 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-04-30
Subject: Re: Chat! It's Market Day!
Salvete omnes.

Well, two people besides me made it into chat on Skype during Market
Day. We had a nice conversation.

I hereby suggest that we figure out some sort of chat solution for
the long-term. For the short-term, Skype may work (and it COULD be a
long-term solution), but there are many options. I think voice
chats/conference calls are an excellent idea, too.

Valete omnes

Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus"
<cn.caelius@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> It's Market Day! (Well, as long as Yahoo! sends this out within 24
> hours, which isn't guaranteed. :-) )
>
> I'm on Skype as cn.caelius.ahenobarbus. I have created a public chat
> called "Nova Roma" at:
>
>
http://www.skype.com/go/joinpublicchat?skypename=cn%2ecaelius%2eahenobarbus&topic=Nova%20Roma&blob=DPN9EV6hhq4FNfmDbY_7ZYvAdfLBvF8PYiD6MNzd1W7Keg7ucP0RSnjT_eHf1_LmXnSUF7L5ySNrFWJy7oY
>
> I will attempt to stay here as much as possible over the next 24 hours
> (I'm in the Mountain (US;daylight savings active) time zone). Join,
> chat, even if for a few minutes, whenever is convenient for you. We
> can also create a voice conference call, if people are interested (I
> am, so there's 1).
>
> If you need Skype, just go to Skype.com, download, install, create an
> account, and go. It's pretty simple.
>
> This may not be perfect, and it may not be the ultimate solution, but
> it's here, it works, and it's on today. So, chat today! One day at a
> time. :-)
>
> Valete!
>
> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus
>