M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos semper servent.

Hodie est Kalendae Fabariae; haec dies nefastus est: Iunoni Monetae
in arce; Fabarici circenses missus.

Fabariae

The name for today's date, the Kalendae Fabariae, comes not from a
festival, but instead from an ancient tradition. On this day one is
to eat a dish prepared from bean-meal and bacon fat (Macrobius,
Saturnalia 1.12.22 and 31). This meal was dedicated to the Goddess
Carna and was intended to preserve one's good health (Pliny H. N.
18.117). As it happens, this was the time of year when beans were
harvested in Central Italy (Columella, 11.2.20).

"Prayers are offered to this Goddess, for the good preservation of
liver, heart, and the other internal organs of our bodies. Her
sacrifices are bean-meal and lard, because this is the best food for
the nourishment of the body." ~ Macrobius, Saturnalia 1.12.32


Today celebrates the dedication of five temples at Rome:

AUC 358 / 395 BCE: Temple of Juno Regina, brought from Veii,
dedicated on the Aventine Hill.


AUC 365 / 388 BCE: Temple of Mars dedicated in the Campus Martius.

"Father Mars, You who were not at all deaf to my vows, these men,
survivors of the battle, dedicate to You the choicest armour of our
victory trophies." ~ Silius Italicus Punica 10.553-54

"This same day is a festival of Mars, whose temple is seen from
beyond the Portus Capena." ~Ovidius Naso, Fasti 6.191


AUC 409 / 344 BCE: Temple of Juno Moneta dedicated on the Arx.

"The Dictator (L. Furius Camillus) thought it his duty to secure the
help of the Gods, and during the actual fighting he vowed a temple to
Juno Moneta. On his victorious return to Rome, he resigned his
Dictatorship to discharge his vow. The senate ordered two
commissioners to be appointed to carry out the construction of that
temple in a style commensurate with the greatness of the Roman
people, and a site was marked out in the Citadel where the house of
M. Manlius Capitolinus had stood." ~ Titus Livius 7.28


AUC 494 / 259 BCE: Temple of the Tempestes dedicated.

"You too, Tempests, were considered worthy of a shrine, after our
fleet was almost sunk in Corsican waters." ~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 6.193

"Thanks be to Neptunus and the Tempestates, for returning me safe
home again, my venture a success!" ~ Plautus, Stichus 402


AUC 733 / 20 BCE: Temple of Mars Ultor dedicated in the Forum Augusti.

"If, Father, my war is authorized by Vesta's priestess, and whenever
I prepare to take divine vengeance, Mars, be by my side and satiate
cold steel with guilt's blood, and lend Your favour to the better
side. If I am victorious for You I'll build a shrine and call You
Ultor, Mars the Avenger." ~ Ovid Fasti 5.573-77


AUC 736 / 17 BCE: Ludi Saeculares led by Augustus and Agrippa

Acta Sacrorum Saecularium

A proclamation was sent out asking the populace of Rome to
participate. "All Free Men, you are bid to pray and fast. On the
Capitolium, before the Temple of Jupiter, and on the Aventine before
the temple of Diana (join with) the crowded populace present and for
the Gods gather sweet-smelling herbs to offer."

Those who were 25 or older were to convene on the Capitolium. From
among those who were younger, two choruses were selected of male and
female voices to sing a hymn specially composed for the occasion by
Horace. As some rites of the Ludi Saeculares were reserved for women
to conduct, a second decree was issued on the Kalendae Fabariae:

"And the edict was issued: The quindecimviri sacris faciundis decree:
Since, insofar as it accords with proper custom, and in like manner
has been observed in numerous precedents, whenever there has been a
rightful cause for public celebration, it has been decided that the
mourning of women should be suspended; and since it seems that it is
appropriate both to the honor of the gods and to the remembrance of
their worship that that should apply to the time of solemn rites and
games and that it should be scrupulously observed –therefore we have
decided that it is incumbent on us to issue to women a decree by
edict, that they should suspend mourning." ~ CIL 6.32323 Lines 110b-14


The Ludi Saeculares began soon after Midnight with a nighttime
sacrifice to the Moirai in the Campus Martius

"On the following night, on the Campus Martius, next to the Tiber,
[the emperor Caesar Augustus sacrificed] according to the Greek rite
[nine female lambs to the divine Moirai (Fates) as whole burnt
offering; and by the same rite he sacrificed nine female goats as a
whole burnt offerings and spoke the following prayer: "Moirai, as it
is prescribed for you in the Sibylline books - and for this reason
may good fortune attend the Roman people, the Quirites – let
sacrifice be made to you with nine female lambs and nine female goats
burnt whole for you. I beg you and pray that you may increase the
power and majesty of the Roman people, the Quirites, in war and
peace; and that the Latins may always be obedient; and that you may
grant eternal safety, victory and health to the Roman people, the
Quirites; and that you may protect the Roman people, the Quirites,
and the legions of the Roman people, the Quirites; and that you may
keep safe and make greater the state of the Roman people, the
Quirites, and that you may be favorable and propitious to the Roman
people], the Quirites, to the collegium of the quindecimviri, to me,
to my house, to my household; and that you may accept this sacrifice
of nine female lambs and nine female goats, to be burnt whole for you
in sacrifice. For these reasons be honoured with the sacrifice of
this female lamb, become favourable and propitious to the Roman
people, the Quirites, to the collegium of the quindecimviri, to
myself, to my house, to my household.

"When the sacrifice was completed, games were celebrated by night on
a stage, without the additional construction of a theatre and without
the erection of seating. One hundred and ten matrons, who had been
designated by decree of the quindecimviri, held sellisternia with two
seats set out for Juno and Diana.

"Then the games were celebrated with plays in Latin on a wooden
theatre which had been erected on the Campus Martius next to the
Tiber, and in the same manner women who were mistresses of households
held sellisternia, and the games which had begun to take place at
night were not interrupted." ~ CIL 6.32323 Lines 90-110

"Juno Regina, we, one hundred and ten the mothers of the families of
the people of Rome, the Quirites, pray You allow what is now
beneficial to the people of Rome, the Quirites, may then be made
better, and we brides implore You to aid and increase the sovereign
power and majesty of the people of Rome, the Quirites, in war and
peace, and always to watch over the fame of the Latins. And may You
favor the people of Rome, the Quirites, and the legions of the people
of Rome, the Quirites, and preserve the republic of the people of
Rome, the Quirites, and may You willingly favor and prosper us, our
homes, and our families. This is what the one hundred and ten
mothers of the families of the people of Rome, the Quirites, we
brides of our families, pray, entreat, and implore You to grant." ~
CIL 6.32329. 10 sqq. Acta Sacrorum Saecularium addition

"On the Kalends of June, on the Capitoline Hill, the emperor Caesar
Augustus sacrificed a bull to Jupiter Optimus Maximus burnt whole for
him, and in the same place Marcus Agrippa sacrificed a second. They
spoke a prayer, as follows: "Jupiter Optimus Maximus, as it is
prescribed for you in those books –and for this [reason] may good
fortune attend the Roman people, the Quirites – let sacrifice be made
to you with this fine bull. I beg you and pray." The rest as above.
At the sacred vessel were Caesar, Agrippa, Scaevola, Sentius,
Lollius, Asinius Gallus, and Rabilis (all the members of the
quindecimviri).

"Then the games were celebrated with plays in Latin on a wooden
theatre which had been erected on the Campus Martius next to the
Tiber, and in the same manner women who were mistresses of households
held sellisternia, and the games which had begun to take place at
night were not interrupted.

"Then by night, next to the Tiber, the emperor Caesar Augustus made
sacrifice to the divine Ilythiae with nine cakes, nine popana, nine
phthoes; he spoke the following prayer: "Ilythia, as it is
prescribed for you in those books –and for this reason [may every
good fortune attend] the Roman people, the Quirites – let sacrifice
be made to you with nine popana, nine cakes, nine phthoes. I beg and
prat. The rest as above." ~ CIL 6.32323 Lines 103-110; 115-118

"Ilythia. You who are compassionate towards women, who suffer with
great labor pains, their bodies strained in slow birth of the hidden
child, gently attend her, Ilythia, and favor my prayers." ~ Ovidius
Naso, Amores II.14.19-24


Our thought for today is from Democritus, the Golden Sayings 64:

"The friendship of one wise man is better than that of every fool."

----- Original Message -----

From: David Kling (Modianus)

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] To the Censores

Salve:

I'm not going to conduct this sort of business on the main list.  You can, please, contact the censores directly.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@ terra.com. br> wrote:

Salve!

 

To the censores Modianus and Paulinus: I've been read about roman Gentes and I liked several ones, mainly the gens Caecilia and Otacilia. And while reading, I had the idea of founding a Gens in Nova Roma. Initially I was desiring to found the Nova Roman Gens Caecilia, but there are already two Caecilii on Nova Roma, and so I'd like to found the Gens Otacilia on Nova Roma, and on way of formalizing this, I'd like to be called Tiberius Otacilius Caecilianus. I hope this is possible and there aren't any problems.

 

Vale,

 

LVCIVS FIDELIVS LVSITANVS SPD.

On 6/1/08, Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@...> wrote:

So, can you give me your E-mail address, cause I can't find it on the Nova Roma site.

 

Vale,

 

LVCIVS FIDELIVS LVSITANVS SPD.

 

Post Scriptum: I'll soon be sending information about the Gens Otacilia that I found on wikipedia.

----- Original Message -----

From: David Kling (Modianus)

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] To the Censores

 

Salve:

I'm not going to conduct this sort of business on the main list.  You can, please, contact the censores directly.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@...> wrote:

Salve!

 

To the censores Modianus and Paulinus: I've been read about roman Gentes and I liked several ones, mainly the gens Caecilia and Otacilia. And while reading, I had the idea of founding a Gens in Nova Roma. Initially I was desiring to found the Nova Roman Gens Caecilia, but there are already two Caecilii on Nova Roma, and so I'd like to found the Gens Otacilia on Nova Roma, and on way of formalizing this, I'd like to be called Tiberius Otacilius Caecilianus. I hope this is possible and there aren't any problems.

 

Vale,

 

LVCIVS FIDELIVS LVSITANVS SPD.

 

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, sacerdos Concordiae, sacerdos Pannoniae, quaestor, legatus pro praetore: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, senatui populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam:


Salvete, Quirites!

May Harmony shine upon you brightly! You know our Nova Roma is 10 years old, and to honour this anniversary I follow my vow and pray to Concordia constantly on every Kalends and Ides.

This is the ritual for the Kalends of June.

To honour this Tenth Anniversary, I encourage everybody to pray Goddess
Concordia of Nova Roma, the Goddess of the Nova Roman Creative Peace and
Cooperation. With Her help and support we can be a great, world-wise and
world-class movement: the modern Roman Movement for the restoration of
classical Roman religion, culture and virtues.

PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!

I especially ask our Magistrates and Senators: send me your prayers to
Concordia and I will allocate them in the Virtual Temple of Concordia of the Nova Roman People:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Aedes_Concordiae_Populi_Novi_Romani_%28Nova_Roma%29

Visit the Virtual Temple of Concordia and leave a personal, public prayer!

PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!

Today's sacrifice has been done before my home altar. I have worshiped Concordia for the unity, strengthen and harmony of the New Roman People and I have given Her wine and incense. The ritual has been this:


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SACRIFICIUM CONCORDIAE KALENDIS QUINCTILIBUS ANNI SACRI X NOVAE ROMAE CONDITAE


Favete linguis!

(Beginning of the sacrifice.)

PRAEFATIO

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)


Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!"

(Libation of wine is made.)

INVOCATIO

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
hisce Kalendis Quinctilibus anni decimi Novae Romae conditae
te precor, veneror, quaeso, obtestor:

PRECATIO

uti pacem concordiamque constantem
societati Novae Romae tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque discordiis liberes;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
atque hoc anno anniversarii decimi Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hoc anno decimo Novae Romae eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
utique sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi,
quaeque ita faxis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitia
hoc anno anniversario decimo Novae Romae conditae
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!


(Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)


REDDITIO

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo
et vino libando
bonas preces bene precatus sum,
earundem rerum ergo
macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made)

Ilicet!

(End of the sacrifice.)


PIACULUM

Iane,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,
hoc vino inferio
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio.

(Libation of wine is made.)



Valete in Concordia!
May Concordia be with you!

CN. LENTVLVS



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M. Curiatius Complutensis

M.Iulius Severus



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M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos servent cum vester.

Hodie est ante diem IV Nonas Iuninias; haec dies fastus aterque est:
Ludi Saecilares

AUC 736 / 17 BCE: The Ludi Saeculares continue into the second day.

"Four days before the Nones of June (2 June), on the Capitoline Hill,
the emperor Caesar Augustus sacrificed a cow to Juno Regina burnt
whole for her, and in the same place Marcus Agrippa sacrificed a
second, and spoke a prayer as follows: 'Juno Regina, as it is
prescribed for you in those books – and for this reason may every
good fortune attend the Roman people, the Quirites – let sacrifice be
made to you with a fine cow. I beg and pray:[that you may increase
the power and majesty of the Roman people, the Quirites, in war and
peace; and that the Latins may always be obedient; and that you may
grant eternal safety, victory and health to the Roman people, the
Quirites; and that you may protect the Roman people, the Quirites,
and the legions of the Roman people, the Quirites; and that you may
keep safe and make greater the state of the Roman people, the
Quirites, and that you may be favorable and propitious to the Roman
people], the Quirites, to the collegium of the quindecimviri, to me,
to my house, to my household; and that you may accept this sacrifice
of nine female lambs and nine female goats, to be burnt whole for you
in sacrifice. For these reasons be honoured with the sacrifice of
this female lamb, become favourable and propitious to the Roman
people, the Quirites, to the collegium of the quindecimviri, to
myself, to my house, to my household.']

"Then Marcus Agrippa dictated to the one hundred and ten married
women, mistresses of households, who had been commanded to assemble
on the Capitoline Hill, the formula of prayer as follows: 'Juno
Regina, if there is any better fortune that may attend the Roman
people, the Quirites, we one hundred and ten mistresses of households
of the Roman people, the Quirites, married women on bended knee, pray
that you[bring it about, we beg and beseech that you increase the
power and majesty of the Roman people, the Quirites in war and peace;
and that the Latins may always be obedient; and that you may grant
eternal safety, victory and health to the Roman people, the Quirites;
and that you may protect the Roman people, the Quirites, and the
legions of the Roman people, the Quirites; and [that you may keep
safe and make greater] the state of the Roman people, the Quirites;
and that you may be favourable and propitious to the Roman people,
the Quirites, to the quindecimviri sacris faciundis, to us, [to our
houses, to our households. These are the things that we one hundred
and ten mistresses of households of the Roman people, the Quirites,
married women on bended knee, pray, beg, and beseech.' At the sacred
vessel were Marcus Agrippa...

"Games were held on the previous day [...]

"Then by night, next to the Tiber, the emperor Caesar Augustus
sacrificed a pregnant sow, as a whole burnt offering, to Terra Mater,
and spoke the following prayer: 'Terra Mater, as it is prescribed
for you in those books –and for this reason may every good fortune
attend the Roman people, the Quirites – let sacrifice be made to you
with a pregnant sow of your own, as a whole burnt offering. I beg
and pray.' The rest as above.

"The matrons held a sellsternia on this day in the same manner as on
the previous day." ~ CIL 6.32323 Lines 119-138

Id est:

"Juno Regina, we, one hundred and ten the mothers of the families of
the people of Rome, the Quirites, pray You allow what is now
beneficial to the people of Rome, the Quirites, may then be made
better, and we brides implore You to aid and increase the sovereign
power and majesty of the people of Rome, the Quirites, in war and
peace, and always to watch over the fame of the Latins. And may You
favor the people of Rome, the Quirites, and the legions of the people
of Rome, the Quirites, and preserve the republic of the people of
Rome, the Quirites, and may You willingly favor and prosper us, our
homes, and our families. This is what the one hundred and ten
mothers of the families of the people of Rome, the Quirites, we
brides of our families, pray, entreat, and implore You to grant." ~
CIL 6.32329. 10 sqq. Acta Sacrorum Saecularium addition


AUC 946 / 193 CE: Death of Emperor Didius Julianus


Today's thought is from Epictetus, Discourses 1.30.1:

"When you appear before some man of authority, remember that there is
another who looks down from above on what passes here, and that it is
Him whom you must please rather than this man."

There's a project to find different types of pagans looking for contact people, and I
thought someone might want to respond to it. It's for the Pluralism Project.
I found this link to the project: http://www.pluralism.org/about/mission.php and it seems
a fair group. I always worry about folk looking for a specific community "settling for"
generic neo-paganism because they can't find what they are called to.
The request was on the North East Reconstruction List, and you cand forward any contact
to this lady:
Posted by: "H. A. Kiya Nicoll" darkhawk@...

A friend of mine is working for the Pluralism Project to update the
pagan section of their website discussing world religions in the
greater Boston area. This area is currently ... thin at best, shall
we say; it apparently has EarthSpirit, CUUPS, and a description of a
ritual in it.

She has a handle on how to expand on the neo-pagan end of things, but
really wants to be sure that the reconstructions are properly
represented. So she asked me what I knew about groups in the area.

I know about Daitales, but that's pretty much it for my knowledge of
local organised groups. I know there are about a zillion Celts on
this list -- are there any Celtic organisations in the area? Does
anyone know of anyone else who should get a nod here (Asatru
kindreds, Religio groups, anything)?

L. Livia Plauta tribuna plebis omnibus quiritibus SPD:

Senate Voting Results.

The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been
tallied as follows:

Formal debate ended on Wednesday 28 May 2761 at 19:00 Roman time.
Voting began at 06.00 hrs CET on Thursday 29 May 2761 and ended at
19.00 hrs CET on Saturday 31 May 2761.

The following 24 Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to
below by their initials, in the order in which they cast their votes:

[TIS] T. Iulius Sabinus
[QFM] Q. Fabius Maximus
[CFD] C. Flavius Diocletianus
[MIS] M. Iulius Severus
[QSP] Q. Suetonius Paulinus
[KFBQ] K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
[MCC] M. Curiatius Complutensis
[TGP] Ti. Galerius Paulinus
[GPL] C. Popillius Laenas
[GEM] Cn. Equitius Marinus
[TOPA] T. Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
[ATS] A. Tullia Scholastica
[CCS] C. Curius Saturninus
[MMPH] M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
[KFBM] K. Fabius Buteo Modianus
[MIP] M. Iulius Perusianus
[ISM] Iulilla Sempronia Magna
[MAM] M. Arminius Maior
[MHM] M. Hortensia Maior
[MLA] M. Lucretius Agricola
[ECF] Emilia Curia Finnica
[MMA] M. Minucius Audens
[DIPI] Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
[PMS]Pompeia Minucia Strabo


[PMA] Publius Memmius Albucius' vote was late for technical reasons,
so it is invalid.

The following 10 Senators did not cast a vote (their absence was not
announced or justified):


[FAC] Franciscus Apulus Caesar
[FGA] Flavius Galerius Aurelianus
[FVG] Flavius Vedius Germanicus
[LECA] L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
[AMA] Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
[MCJ] Marcus Cassius Iulianus
[GEC] Gaius Equitius Cato
[GMM] C. Marius Merullus
[MBA] M. Bianchius Antonius
[ATMC] Ap. Tullius Marcellus Cato

A quorum was reached. 13 votes were necessary for an item to pass.




Item I.

The Senate approves Nova Roma tax payers (assidui) citizens'
participation in JSTOR, Arts & Science II Collection. The
participation costs are supported by Nova Roma.

UTI ROGAS - 18
ANTIQUO - 4
ABSTINEO - 2
ITEM PASSED.

TIS: Uti rogas. Participation in JSTOR offers more precise, more
scientific knowledge about the ancient Rome, educational resources
and more accurate references.

QFM: VTI ROGAS
JSTOR is expensive true, but if we educate our citizenry in it use, it
is an amazing tool.

CFD: Uti Rogas
MIS: ANTIQVO. I am not convinced that this is the best way of
investing our not very large resources.

QSP: VTI ROGAS
JSTOR is expensive I would agree but it will be a very helpful tool.

KFBQ: Uti Rogas.
After consideration I accept the arguments for JSTOR.

MCC: Uti rogas. We need to participate in JSTOR. NR needs to offer
this educational resource to the citizens, instead of the sterile
debates which we are accustomed to offer them.

TGP: VTI ROGAS
I will donate $100.00 USD to the one time fee of $1500.USD
if 14 other Senators will join me in doing so. ( or 28 other Senators
at
$50.00 USD each)

GPL: Antiquo. I do like this idea, however, I would like more
discussion on this before dispensing with such a large portion of our
surplus. If it is possible, perhaps some Senators could participate
in some sort of demo / "test drive".

GEM: VTI ROGAS It may just prove to be the best thing we've ever
offered our citizens.

TOPA: Antiquo.

ATS: Mihi placet assentiri; uti rogas. As Senator Marinus observed,
this may be the greatest gift we could give to our assidui citizens.

CCS: Uti rogas. This is a fine service to offer, and it also supports
the only real project we have, the MM Project. As a small organisation
we need to take a close look at this kind of synergy between our
efforts.

MMPH: Adsentior uti rogas. I trust that this initiative will offer
many benefits to our Citizens and to Nova Roma as a whole. It shall
offer indirect support for our Nova Roma Scholarship and the MM
Project, and likewise help us develop a better, more informative
website that could in turn attract new members, outside donations,
and possibly institutional grants for our educational efforts.

KFBM: Uti Rogas.

MIP: VTI ROGAS. Finally something back for NR Taxes. I had the choice
of
using JSTOR and found it useful.

ISM: Uti Rogas. At last, a tangible and valuable benefit for cives.

MAM: Abstineo.

MHM: Uti Rogas.
All Assidui citizens now will have the benefit of access to the latest
scholarship. A wonderful way to mark our 10th anniversary.

MLA: Uti rogas.

ECF: Uti rogas. This is really an improvement for the citizens of Nova
Roma!

MMA: No.
I am not convinced that this serves all the Citizens of NR.
It would seem that it serves only a few who will use it for their own
purposes.
My questions were not answered to my full satisfaction.

DIPI: Uti rogas.
After listening to the comments of others, I am willing to approve
this as it will be a real benefit to our citizens.
I wish there had been a little more discussion of this from senators,
considering this is the largest single expenditure Nova Roma has ever
considered. Initially it will cost more than one year's worth of tax
revenue and maintaining it will cost more than one quarter of our
annual tax revenues. What little discussion there has been seems not
to consider the cost, hiding behind empty slogans such as culture has
no price. In this case it does. People seem to be willing to very
free with other people's money. I gave a lot of thought to this vote
before approving this. I hope other senators did.
I hope we will go with the cheaper option, it's all we can afford. We
should revisit this in a year or two to review the benefits and how
many citizens actually use it. If we are subsidizing the use for 25
or 50 people, it may not be worth continuing.

PMS: Abstain.

(PMA:UTI ROGAS - invalid vote)

Item II.

The Senate Scholarship Committee recommend as this year's grant (500
USD) be given to Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.

UTI ROGAS - 16
ANTIQUO - 5
ABSTINEO - 3
ITEM PASSED.

TIS: Uti rogas. My thanks to all applicants and congratulation to
Cornelius Lentulus.

QFM: VTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas
MIS: VTI ROGAS. All the participants have sufficient merits, but
Lentulus is the best choice.

QSP: VTI ROGAS
KFBQ: Uti Rogas.
MCC: Abstineo.
TGP: VTI ROGAS
GPL: Uti rogas. My thanks to the Committee for it's work.

GEM: VTI ROGAS with thanks to all who applied, and congratulations to
Lentulus.

TOPA: Antiquo.

ATS: Iterum, et ex animo, mihi placet assentiri; uti rogas.
Candidatus optimus est; spero alios assentiri.

CCS: Antiquo. This is sadly very opposite of item above. This is an
expensive cost, does nothing to further MM Project, does nothing to
promote NR as a serious organisation and on the top of it makes us
look laughable: a small organisation of amateurs throwing huge amounts
of money to it's own members! Pathetic!

MMPH: Adsentior uti rogas. This is an important step for all of Nova
Roma to finally disperse an educational grant. I join my colleague
in thanking all applicants. Special congratulations to Gnaeus
Lentulus, our well-deserving recipient.

KFBM: Uti Rogas.
MIP: VTI ROGAS.

ISM: Uti Rogas and congratulations.

MAM: Abstineo.

MHM: Uti Rogas . Congratulations to Lentulus.

MLA: Antiquo.
Selection process does not meet minimum standards. As a full
time professional academic I cannot ethically support the process we
employ, regardless of the merits of the candidates.

ECF:Antiquo.
This is an unpractical way of investing Nova Roma funds and a
respected third party should

make the decision of granting such a scolarship in any occasion.

MMA: Yes;
I am not sure how else significant effort for Nova Roma can be
rewarded except by the

present method. If there is a better way perhaps it should be
considered by the Senate.

Meanwhile to penalize good work in NR is not realistic. For my
purposes, work within NR far

outstrips approving funding outside of NR for projects that will
probably never impact on NR

anytime in the realistic future.

DIPI: Abstineo. While I initially favored this, I am starting to
be swayed by comments that there may be flaws in the process.
Besides, this is another large expense, over 25 percent of our annual
tax revenue. However, at this time I won't vote against this.

PMS: Antiquo. I agree with Agricola Senator's reasoning regarding the
selection process

issues, with due respect to all scholarship applicants.

Invalid vote:
(PMA: ABSTINEO, for three reasons : first Hon. Lentulus is a member of
my aedilician cohors,

and it would not be fair, for the other candidates, that he might take
benefice of this work

relation; second, because no report, even a short one, has been
displayed by the senatorial

committee to the whole Senate with the reasons why Hon. Lentulus has
been preferred to the

other applicants. When public money is at stake, no valid reason may
be opposed to a free

and transparent examination by the plenary Senate; third reason: as
the committee seems

however have led, on the matter itself, a honest and dedicated work,
its proposal must not

meet an "antiquo" vote.)

Item III.

Magna Mater Project:

Item III.1:

The Senate of Nova Roma decides to approve the amended MMP budget
(MMP corrected statement Apr 15).

UTI ROGAS - 20
ANTIQUO - 3
ABSTINEO - 1
ITEM PASSED.


TIS: Uti rogas. Special thanks to this year MMP coordinator, aedilis
curulis Memmius Albucius for MMP finances clarification.

QFM: Antiquo.
CFD: Antiquo

MIS: VTI ROGAS. I also believe that P. Memmius Albucius deserves a
special recognition from the Res publica.

QSP: Antiquo.
KFBQ: Uti Rogas.
I would have preferred that this item had been called the MMP
financial report.

MCC: Uti rogas.
TGP: VTI ROGAS

GPL: Uti rogas. I agree with Senator Quintilianus that the report
could have been better titled, but I think that is a language issue.
I, who speak nothing but English, have always been in awe that our
non-English speakers speak and write that language as well as they
do - salute!

GEM: VTI ROGAS with the recognition that this is really a report, not
a proposed budget.

TOPA: Uti rogas.

ATS: Vti rogas, with the understanding that this is actually a
report, not a budget as we understand the term.

CCS: Uti rogas. Wonderful that this part of our financies is in order
again.

MMPH: Adsentior uti rogas.
KFBM: Uti Rogas.
MIP: VTI ROGAS.
ISM: Uti Rogas
MAM: Abstineo.
MHM: Uti Rogas.
MLA: Uti rogas
ECF: Uti rogas.
MMA: Yes.
DIPI: Uti rogas.
PMS: Uti rogas.

Invalid vote:
(PMA: ABSTINEO, because I am directly concerned, being currently the
aedilis curulis in

charge of this Project and reporting to the Curia.)

Item III.2:

On Magna Mater Project (MMP) development or not, the Senate of Nova
Roma decides to:

* III.2.a, both:
- stop the Magna Mater Project,
- have every donator, whose donation has not yet been used, contacted
so that (s-)he decides whether he accepts leaving her/his donation to
Nova Roma general budget, or whether (s-)he prefers to be reinbursed.

UTI ROGAS - 6
ANTIQUO - 17
ABSTINEO - 1
ITEM REJECTED.


TIS: Antiquo.
QFM: Vti Rogas
CFD: Uti Rogas
MIS: ANTIQVO. The MMP deserves all our support.
QSP: Vti Rogas

KFBQ: Antiquo.
To stop the only project we have and which have some chance of
developing some support in the Academic community, especially in
Rome, would be nothing but a stupidity.

MCC: Antiquo. The MMP must continue. After the bad publicity that some
citizens make to Nova Roma through their blogs and opinions, Nova Roma
needs the prestige that this project brings to our organization.

TGP: Vti Rogas It is time to do other projects
GPL: Antiquo.
GEM: ANTIQVO
TOPA: Antiquo.
ATS: Vti rogas.

CCS: Antiquo. Absolutely no. There would have been a point to stop the
project before the first step (website, promo-material) was made, and
it would make sense to stop it after the second step (support of
publication of excavation report) is made, but not when we are only a
tiny tiny step away from achieving the second step. Besides, this is
our only real project, and therefore it has to have the undisputed
priority.

MMPH: Antiquo. The original proposal may have been too ambitious for
Nova Roma to sustain. However our situation does not necessitate our
abandoning the project entirely.

KFBM: Antiquo.
MIP: ANTIQVO.

ISM: Antiquo. Such a major step should only be taken after significant
strategic planning and re-evaluation of our overall mission and goals.

MAM: Abstineo.

MHM: Antiquo. I agree entirely with Saturninus.
MLA: Antiquo.
ECF: Antiquo. Magna Mater projest is the first and only real Nova
Roman project in the field

of antiquities. Redrawing would be mindless!

MMA: No;
I think it is time for a change in our views on donating funds.

DIPI: Uti rogas
The MMP is a sacred cow in Nova Roma which does nothing to increase
our coffers, our reputation or our assidui membership. It started out
with great promise and fizzled.

PMS: Antiquo.

(PMA: ABSTINEO - invalid vote)



* III.2.b, both:
- reassess Its support of Nova Roma in the Project and the work made
by the previous teams;
- back up the principle of redefined and more simple, clear,
motivating, feasible Project, with explanable objectives;
- asks Aedilis curulis Memmius to make to the consuls, with the next
three weeks, and in order to have them examined in a next Senate
session to hold in June 2761 auc, propositions of updated objectives
for the Project;
- approves the disconnection of the aedilician fund projects, and
thus the Magna Mater Project, from the annual public office rythmn
which is the one of our res publica. For these projects, in
continuity with what the Senate has decided two years ago [to allow
the appointment of a Project Leader], a Project leader, whose name
will be proposed by the aedile(s)curulis(-es) will be designed by the
Senate. This Project leader will be in charge for 5 years, but may be
dismissed by the Senate on aedicilian proposal or if the Senate ever
rejects the MMP yearly report.

UTI ROGAS - 16
ANTIQUO - 6
ABSTINEO - 2
ITEM PASSED.

TIS: Uti rogas. I have trust in this year aedilician team composed,
among other valuable citizens, of L. Vitellius Triarius and G.
Marcius Crispus. I'm sure that under the aedilis Memmius Albucius'
leadership the aedilician team and MMP Consilium will be able to set
the new and right development direction of MMP.

QFM: VTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas
MIS: VTI ROGAS. We have an excellent team working in this project.
QSP: VTI ROGAS
KFBQ: Uti Rogas.
I vote for this although I think too many items are bundled together.
I would rather see a shorter term for the Project leader and full set
of objectives to decide about. Still I am sure we will have good
proposals to decide about in the next Senate session, but I would
prefer that the the ideas of the Senate would be listened to before
the
full agenda would be set on this item and sub-items.

MCC: Uti rogas.
TGP: Antiquo.

GPL: Uti rogas. Like Senator Quintilianus I would have prefered to
vote on parts of this item separately. Specifically, I am not sure I
support a 5 year appointment separate from our annual magistrate
process. I trust the Senate will be able to refine this element when
the proposed objectives are presented. I would also hope the option
to eliminate the project is presented again, if the Senate fails to
approve the new objectives.

GEM: VTI ROGAS
TOPA: Antiquo

ATS: Vti rogas. While this is an unfortunate situation, it is also
one which appears to be out of our hands. An appropriate substitute
may be in the works, and if so, I trust it will be presented at our
next meeting.

CCS: Antiquo. The project has clearly defined steps towards which
there has been a consistent work. There is absolutely no need at this
moment to re-evaluate the project goals. Let's do that after the
second step is achieved. Only thing we need to do is to dedicated
couple of thousand USD for it, get the cooperation going on with the
La Sapienza university and get the damn excavation report published!
Simple as that.

MMPH: Adsentior uti rogas. A reassessment is needed as Nova Roma's
current revenues are unable to sustain the original objectives. In
order to provide continuity, as our end of the project will require,
we do, IMHO, need to appoint a project manager as originally intended.

KFBM: Uti Rogas.
MIP: VTI ROGAS.
ISM: Uti Rogas. Now this is what we need: some long-term planning.
MAM: Abstineo.

MHM: Antiquo. Again per Senator Saturninus' reasons.
MLA: Uti rogas.
ECF: Antiquo. This would undermine all previous work that has been
done for the project!
MMA: Yes.

DIPI: Abstineo. This question should have been considered after
we decided whether or not to continue the project. If we do continue
it, then in what manner should have been considered.

PMS: Antiquo: I agree that we need to revisit our plan, but I think
we should discuss this

further. I am not prepared to commit to the above.

(PMA: ABSTINEO - invalid vote)


Item III.3:

The Senate of Nova Roma confirms that NR cannot afford in the next
five years, specially financially, backing up two major projects, the
MMP and, for example, one 'Temple of Gods project' which would
consist in building ex nihilo a temple on an estate located in any
relevant place.

UTI ROGAS - 16
ANTIQUO - 4
ABSTINEO - 4
ITEM PASSED.

TIS: Uti rogas. It's not easy but I want to look forward with
optimism.
QFM: VTI ROGAS I agree with the Senate.
CFD: Uti Rogas
MIS: VTI ROGAS. We can´t do everything, but surely we can do something
worthwhile.
QSP: VTI ROGAS I agree with the Senate as well.
KFBQ: Antiquo
I vote against this as I want to keep the door open for the Temple
project and even other projects. I am prepared to take a stand on
this item when a full budget for the Res Publica is presented where
all needed expenses are clear.

MCC: Uti rogas.
TGP VTI ROGAS.
GPL: Uti rogas.
GEM: VTI ROGAS
TOPA: Antiquo.
ATS: Vti rogas.

CCS: Uti Rogas. Priorities are priorities. If the NR financial
situation improves dramatically then we can change this decision.
Let's keep our focus and resources concentrated.

MMPH: Adsentior uti rogas. At present we have few assets to use in
order to provide for the Scholarship Fund, NR's annual costs, and
contribute towards the MM Project. We do not, however, have the
resources or the revenue to sustain even one major project like the
MM Project. Therefore it goes without saying that it is not
financially feasible for our treasury to support two major projects.
Proposals like the Temple of the Gods Project and the Temple of Diana
Project shall have to rely on private individuals, formed into
sodalitates, to further develop their proposals and provide a solid
plan. Then, in the future, the Senate might consider offering such
projects a donation. First however we shall have to stabilize our
current financial situation.

KFBM: Antiquo.
MIP: ABSTINEO.
ISM: Uti Rogas. See comments above.
MAM: Abstineo.
MHM: Uti Rogas.
MLA: Abstineo. This is not specified with enough clarity.
ECF: Uti Rogas. Financing such major projects is not realistic at the
moment.
MMA: Yes.
DIPI: Antiquo. I would like to see us put funds towards a real
Nova Roma project that would benefit our republic, either the 'Temple
of Gods project' or something else, instead of the MMP. This would
foolishly close the door on that.

PMS: Abstain

(PMA: ABSTINEO - invalid vote)


Item IV.

The Senate approve incorporation of Moldavia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldavia in Dacia province.

UTI ROGAS - 22
ANTIQUO - 0
ABSTINEO - 2
ITEM PASSED.

TIS: Uti rogas.
QFM: VTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas
MIS: VTI ROGAS.
QSP: VTI ROGAS
KFBQ: Uti Rogas.
MCC: Uti rogas.
TGP VTI ROGAS.
GPL: Uti rogas.
GEM: VTI ROGAS
TOPA: (no vote given)
ATS: Vti rogas.
CCS: Uti rogas.
MMPH: Adsentior uti rogas.
KFBM: Uti Rogas.
MIP: VTI ROGAS.
ISM: Uti Rogas
MAM: Uti rogas.
MHM: Uti Rogas.
MLA: Uti rogas.
ECF: Uti rogas.
MMA: Yes.
DIPI: Uti rogas.
PMS: (no vote given)

Invalid vote:
(PMA: UTI ROGAS, for, even if Moldavia itself has never been inside
the Roman area and

currently counts no Novaroman citizen living there, I think, as at the
same time Ukraine is

not represented in our republic and cannot pretend welcoming Moldavia
under its wing, that

the incorporation of Moldavia to the dynamic province of Dacia may
help us developing

romanity and roman values in this country. Thus, approving this item,
we will create a

precedent which will bring us, from this session on, linking the
quality of Novaroman

territory not to the existing citizenship in it, but first according
whether it belonged to

Ancient Roman territories and, second, to current world countries
where we are to develop

romanity.)

Item V.

Senate Consultum on Renaming Provincia Canada Orientalis and
Provincia Canada Occidentalis.

The name of Canada Orientalis is changed to Canada Citerior, and the
name of Canada Occidentalis be changed to Canada Ulterior.

UTI ROGAS - 24
ANTIQUO - 0
ABSTINEO - 0
ITEM PASSED.

TIS: Uti rogas. My best wishes to governors Aurelius Severus and
Iulius Caesar in their activities.

QFM: VTI ROGAS
CFD: Uti Rogas
MIS: VTI ROGAS.
QSP: VTI ROGAS
KFBQ: Uti Rogas.
I don't see the need for this change, but I support it as the
Governor seem to deem it necessary.

MCC: Uti rogas. It is a good idea, in this way we approach a little
to our ideal of Romanitas, but it is (also) a lot of work for our
webmasters, because we do not forget that we must change these names
in "all" pages and links of the web.

TGP: VTI ROGAS.
GPL: Uti rogas.
GEM: VTI ROGAS
TOPA: Uti rogas.
ATS: Vti rogas. This seems to be more historically correct.
CCS: Uti rogas.
MMPH: Adsentior uti rogas.
KFBM: Uti Rogas.
MIP: VTI ROGAS.
ISM: Uti Rogas
MAM: Uti rogas.
MHM: Uti Rogas.
MLA: Uti rogas.
ECF: Uti rogas.
MMA: Yes.

DIPI: Uti rogas. Looking for more historically accurate names
for provinces that didn't exist in ancient times seems like an odd
exercise but I'll approve it.

PMS: Uti rogas.

Invalid vote:
(PMA: UTI ROGAS, in respect of the agreement passed by both Canada
governors, and as a mark

of support to all our governors, even if 'citerior' usually designs in
Latin the closest

territory, generally speaking from Rome: 'citerior' should thus better
design, in this view,

the occidentalis, closer to Rome.)

Salve,

Has anyone ever translated a greeting for a cell phone? I'm looking a
standard type of greeting. I would like to set-up a dual language
greeting if possible(i.e. English/Latin).

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

M.Hortensia Q. Servilio spd;
I'll give it a whirl, but wait for latinists to call. This is
fun:

Hic est mihi radiotelephonum; dica quid novi ex tinnito!

this is my cell phone; tell me what's new at the ring!

lol... optime vale
Maior

>
> Has anyone ever translated a greeting for a cell phone? I'm looking a
> standard type of greeting. I would like to set-up a dual language
> greeting if possible(i.e. English/Latin).
>
> Vale,
> Quintus Servilius Priscus
>

A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Servilio Prisco quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salve,

Has anyone ever translated a greeting for a cell phone? I'm looking a
standard type of greeting. I would like to set-up a dual language
greeting if possible(i.e. English/Latin).

    ATS:  Well, I have seriously considered replacing my English answering machine greeting with one in Latin.  That should work well as mercator-repellent, as Mark asks Pablo in the next cubicle what language this might be, but Pablo doesn’t recognize this as Spanish, so calls on Guido, who claims it is not Italian...and then the supervisor wants to know what his slaves (er, employees) are doing chatting among themselves when they should be pestering people with telemarketer messages.

    I can give you an attempt at this privately, if you like...just what would you like to say?  You have reached Priscus’ cell phone; he is sorry that he is unable to respond at present, but if you leave your name and number at the tone...

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus

Vale, et valete.  
 
      
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M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Bellona consilia communicet cum nos.

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Iunonias; haec dies comitialis est:
sacra Bellonae

AUC 457 / 296 BCE: Temple of Bellona vowed; it became the place where
declarations of war were posted in the Campus Martius.

"If today, Bellona, You grant us victory, a new temple I vow." ~
Titus Livius 10.19.17-18

Appius Claudius vowed a temple for Bellona during a war with the
Etruscans. The date of its dedication is not known. There was a
tradition that an earlier Appius Claudius, consul in 495 BCE had
dedicated statues of his ancestors in a temple of Bellona (Pliny, H.
N. 35.12). At the very least, it would seem that this Sabine Goddess
may have been brought to Rome by the Claudii. She was at times
explained as sister of Mars. At other times She appears as though
She were wife of Mars, and some have suggested She replaced or
absorbed the earlier Nerio. In the Imperial era She became
assimilated with an Oriental War Goddess of the same name. The
Oriental Bellona was sometimes identified with the Magna Mater. Her
eastern priests performed a sword dance for Bellona in which they
scored one another and flailed their blood about as they whirled.

A legend said that during the war with Pyrrhus of Epirus the fetiales
of Rome were unable to perform the traditional ritual for declaring
war because Pyrrhus had no land in Italy on which to cast a spear.
Thus the Romans captured an Epiroite soldier and forced him to buy a
plot of land in front of the Temple of Bellona. From then afterwards
a fetialis would cast his iron spear from the columella onto
this "foreign" land. (Livy 1.32.12; Ovid, Fasti 6.205 ff) As the
Temple lay outside the pomoerium, Bellona's aedes became the
preferred location for Roman generals to meet with foreign
ambassadors since a Consul still under arms could not enter the City.

Plutarch, Roman Questions 43

"Why do the ambassadors to Rome, from whatever country they come,
proceed to the Temple of Saturnus and register with the praefect of
the treasury? Is it because Saturnus was a foreigner, and
consequently takes pleasure in foreigners, or is the solution of this
question also to be found in history? For it seems that in early
days the treasurers used to send gifts to ambassadors, which were
called lautia, and cared for the ambassadors when they were sick, and
buried them at public expense if they died; but now, owing to the
great number of embassies that come, this expensive practice has been
discontinued; yet there still remains the preliminary meeting with
the praefectus of the treasury in the guise of registration."


AUC 736 / 17 BCE: Ludi Saeculares continued into the third day

"Three days before the Nones of June (3 June), on the Palatine, the
emperor Caesar Augustus and Marcus Agrippa made sacrifice [to Apollo
and Diana with nine cakes,] nine popana, nine phthoes and they spoke
a [prayer] as follows: 'Apollo, as it is prescribed for you in those
books – and for this reason may every good fortune attend the Roman
people, the Quiries – let sacrifice be made to you with nine popana,
and nine cakes, and nine phthoes. I beg and pray.' The rest as
above. 'Apollo, just as I have offered popana and prayed to you with
proper prayer, for this same reason be honoured with these
sacrificial cakes. Become favourable and propitious.' The same was
said concerning the phthoes. To Diana in the same words.

"When the sacrifice was completed, the twenty-seven boys, who had
been commanded, their fathers and mothers still living, and the same
number of girls, sang the hymn. And in the same manner on the
Capitoline. The hymn was composed by Quintus Horatius Flaccus. The
quindecimviri were present: the emperor Caesar, Marcus Agrippa,
Quintus Lepidus, Potitus Messalla, Caius Stolo, Caius Scaevola, Caius
Sosius, Caius Norbanus, Marcus Cocceius, Marcus Lollius, Caius
Sentius, Marcus Strigo, Lucius Arruntius, Caius Asinius, Marcus
Marcellus, Decimus Laelius, Quintus Tubero, Caius Rebilus, Messalla
Messallinus.

"When the theatrical games had ended at the [Â…] hour, close by that
place where sacrifice had been made on the previous nights and a
theatre had been set up and a stage, turning posts were set up and
chariot racing was presented; Potitus Mesalla presented trick
riders." ~ CIL 6.32323 Lines 139-154


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Salvete cultores, gentiles, et omnes

"When the sacrifice was completed, the twenty-seven boys, who had
been commanded, their fathers and mothers still living, and the same
number of girls, sang the hymn. ... The hymn was composed by
Quintus Horatius Flaccus...

O shining Phoebe and forest Diana,
shining ornaments of the sky,
ever gentle and refined, O sacred brows,
give us what we pray for now,

Against what the Sibyl warned,
rich voices of choice virgins and
innocent boys lift in song on behalf
of these seven hills.

Nurturing Sol, shining charioteer,
who brings forth and conceals light,
born each day unaltered, may you
Never see a city greater than Rome.

Gentle Moon, Ilithyia, Lucina,
by whatever name you wish called,
Gentalis, watch over mothers,
may you give them gentle deliveries.

Goddess, bring forth offspring,
May Rome prosper by the Senate's
new law on marriage and parenthood
with many more boys and girls.

So that in eleven decades of years
new throngs of Romans shall witness
these games and songs, for three
clear days and three long nights.

And you, O Fates, faithful prophets,
keep Rome safe throughout time,
harness her destiny with glories
and a future of great renown.

May Mother Earth, fertile in fruit
and cattle, crown Ceres with wheat,
and nurture the fertility of the land,
healthful waters, and gentle breezes.

Apollo, put aside your bow, and listen
mildly and kindly to the prayers of boys.
Luna, crescent Queen of the Stars,
Listen to the prayers of virgin girls.

Rome was your great work, when Ilians
followed your advice to abandon Troy
and carry their Lares to a safe haven
on Etruscan shores.

Pure Aeneas, passionate and honest,
last of the royal house of Troy,
paved the way for greater glories
than Ilium that he left behind.

Gods, show our children the ways of
virtue. Gods, give our elderly peace and
quiet. Give wealth, offspring, and every
honor to the houses of Romulus.

Tonight with the blood of a white ox
the glorious son of Anchises and Venus
venerates you. Grant that he may long
Be victorious, and lenient on his foes.

Over land and sea Rome's potent hand now
stretches; the Medes fear for their safety;
and once haughty Scythians and India now
ask for gentle response to their entreaties.

Fides, Pax, Honos and Pudor and
once neglected Virtus now returns, and
with them plentiful blessing pour on Rome
as fruits from a cornucopia.

Phoebus, augur, archer of the flashing bow
accepted master of the nine Muses
whose arts bring health and eases the ills
of a wearied body,

Be pleased by what you see on the altars
upon the Palatine, and answer our prayers
that lasting prosperity and happiness
you bestow on Rome and the Latins.

Diana, who dwells on the Aventine and
Algidus hilltops, graciously lend your ears
to the prayers of virile men and young boys

May Jove and all the gods approve these
good wishes, that the skilled choir,
singing the praises of Diana and Apollo,
may happily carry home their hopes.


Valete optime. Di Deaeque omnes vos bene ament
M. Moravius Piscinus

Aude sapiens!
(Dare to be wise ~ Seneca

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum, gentilibus Romani,
Quiritibus, et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:

Sacrificioque perfecto pueri XXVII quibus denuntiatum erat patrimi et
matrimi et puellae totidem carmen cecinerunt eodemque modo in
Capitolio carmen composuit Q. Horatius Flaccus:


Phoebe silvarumque potens Diana,
lucidum caeli decus, o colendi
semper et cultu, date quae precamur
tempore sacro,

quo Sibyllini monuere versus
virgines lectas puerosque castos
dis, quibus septem placuere colles,
dicere carmen.

alme Sol, curu nitido diem qui
promis et celas aliusque et idem
nasceris, possis nihil urbe Roma
visere maius.

rite maturos aperire partus
lenis, Ilithyia, tuere matres,
sive tu Lucina probas vocari
seu Genitalis:

diva, producas subolem patrumque
prosperes decreta super iugandis
feminis prolisque novae feraci
lege marita,

certus undenos deciens per annos
orbis ut cantus referatque ludos
ter die claro totiensque grata
nocte frequentis.

vosque, veraces cecinisse Parcae,
quod semel dictum est stabilisque rerum
terminus servet, bona iam peractis
iungite fata.

fertilis frugum pecorisque tellus
spicea donet Cererem corona;
nutriant fetus et aquae salubres
et Iovis aurae.

condito mitis placidusque telo
supplices audi pueros, Apollo;
siderum regina bicornis, audi,
Luna, puellas.

Roma si vestrum est opus Iliaeque
litus Etruscum tenuere turmae,
iussa pars mutare Lares et urbem
sospite cursu,

cui per ardentem sine fraude Troiam
castus Aeneas patriae superstes
liberum munivit iter, daturus
plura relictis:

di, probos mores docili iuventae,
di, senectuti placidae quietem,
Romulae genti date remque prolemque
et decus omne.

quaeque vos bubus veneratur albis
clarus Anchisae Venerisque sanguis
inpetret, bellante prior, iacentem
lenis in hostem.

iam mari terraque manus potentis
Medus Albanasque timet securis,
iam Scythae responsa petunt, superbi
nuper, et Indi.

iam Fides et Pax et Honor Pudorque
priscus et neglecta redire Virtus
audet adparetque beata pleno
Copia cornu.

augur et fulgente decorus arcu
Phoebus acceptusque novem Camenis,
qui salutari levat arte fessos
corporis artus,

si Palatinas videt aequos aras
remque Romanam Latiumque felix
alterum in lustrum meliusque semper
prorogat aevom,

quaeque Aventinum tenet Algidumque,
quindecim Diana preces virorum
curat et votis puerorum amicas
adplicat auris:

haec Iovem sentire deosque cunctos
spem bonam certamque domum reporto
doctus et Phoebi chorus et Dianae
dicere laudes.

Albucius Prisco omn.que s.d.

Lol, excellent idea!

Here is a message:

ENGLISH:
"You are well on Quintus Servilius Priscus 's cell phone. Pls leave
me a message after the ring. I'll call you back as soon as possible."

LATIN:
"Es gestabili Servilii Prisci. Trade nuntium post tinnitum, gratias!
Te iterum vocabo statim ex opere."

A few precisions :

- well : not translated, not that useful
- cell phone = telephonum gestabilis
- tinnitum = the ring. You can latinize a modern Am-English word if
you want. For ex. in French, we say the "bip". So we could imagine
a "bippum", neutral, so "post bippum".
- gratias = thanks (you can withdraw it, maybe Ancient Romans would
have done it more than we would)
- te iterum etc. : te=you : you can delete the "te", for it is
obvious that you will not call the Pope back instead of the one who
has left the message ;-)
- vocabo : future. You can put instead the present : "voco".
- statim ex opere = as soon as I am not busy anymore.

A Roman would have issued a message like this one, imho : as short as
possible. The shortest item would thus give:

"Es gestabili Servilii Prisci. Trade nuntium post tinnitum! Iterum
voco statim ex opere."

Every one may use this announce. Just replace "Servilii Prisci" by
the GENITIVE of your NOMEN + COGNOMEN. In case of doubt, drop a
message to one of our latinists in this forum.

Vale Prisce et omnes !



P. Memmius Albucius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Collins" <curator.svr@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve,
>
> Has anyone ever translated a greeting for a cell phone? I'm looking

a

> standard type of greeting. I would like to set-up a dual language
> greeting if possible(i.e. English/Latin).
>
> Vale,
> Quintus Servilius Priscus
>

-Maior Albucio sal;
I like it. Where did you find that interesting neologism for a
cell phone?

Scholastica, this is an open friendly list, please let's share our
latinity. This is what Nova Roma is all about. We're always urging
cives to use Latin & this is a great way. Going to a private list
defeats the purpose and subverts our entire mission.
optime vale
M.Hortensia Maior

I'd also like to add that this is the year of Corcordia. I have made
up with Marinus and I certainly hope we've put old feuds to rest. I
bear no enimity toward anyone.
in pacem Concordiae!

> Albucius Prisco omn.que s.d.
>
> Lol, excellent idea!
>
> Here is a message:
>
> ENGLISH:
> "You are well on Quintus Servilius Priscus 's cell phone. Pls

leave

> me a message after the ring. I'll call you back as soon as

possible."

>
> LATIN:
> "Es gestabili Servilii Prisci. Trade nuntium post tinnitum,

gratias!

> Te iterum vocabo statim ex opere."
>
> A few precisions :
>
> - well : not translated, not that useful
> - cell phone = telephonum gestabilis
> - tinnitum = the ring. You can latinize a modern Am-English word

if

> you want. For ex. in French, we say the "bip". So we could imagine
> a "bippum", neutral, so "post bippum".
> - gratias = thanks (you can withdraw it, maybe Ancient Romans

would

> have done it more than we would)
> - te iterum etc. : te=you : you can delete the "te", for it is
> obvious that you will not call the Pope back instead of the one

who

> has left the message ;-)
> - vocabo : future. You can put instead the present : "voco".
> - statim ex opere = as soon as I am not busy anymore.
>
> A Roman would have issued a message like this one, imho : as short

as

> possible. The shortest item would thus give:
>
> "Es gestabili Servilii Prisci. Trade nuntium post tinnitum! Iterum
> voco statim ex opere."
>
> Every one may use this announce. Just replace "Servilii Prisci" by
> the GENITIVE of your NOMEN + COGNOMEN. In case of doubt, drop a
> message to one of our latinists in this forum.
>
> Vale Prisce et omnes !
>
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Collins" <curator.svr@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > Has anyone ever translated a greeting for a cell phone? I'm

looking

> a
> > standard type of greeting. I would like to set-up a dual language
> > greeting if possible(i.e. English/Latin).
> >
> > Vale,
> > Quintus Servilius Priscus
> >
>

A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Maiori quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

-Maior Albucio sal;
 I like it. Where did you find that interesting neologism for a
cell phone?

    ATS:  That is a common neologism for cell phone, and seems to be similar to the word in some of the European languages.  

Scholastica, this is an open friendly list, please let's share our
latinity. This is what  Nova Roma is all about. We're always urging
cives to use Latin & this is a great way.

    ATS:  Before translating anything, one must have the text which is to be translated.  Since I don’t know exactly what Q. Servilius Priscus wants in his message, I cannot translate it, only suggest possibilities in English (you have reached X number...).  Secondly, it happens that my priority right now is correcting Latin I exams and any remaining Latin II homework before writing the next section of the Latin II exam.  It’s that time of year.  Thirdly, I respect people’s right to privacy.  If someone wants to receive a Latin translation in private, that is his or her right.  So far as I know, Priscus and I are not on any private list together, but in any case matters should not be transferred from one list to another unless they are clearly academic in nature.  Things such as sodalitas business should remain within the sodalitas; cohors business should remain within the cohors, etc., unless and until the latter is revealed as cohors business is with some frequency.  

    It seems that the ML is not always open and friendly, but rather more like a minefield at times, not to mention that sharing Latinity has been known to produce considerable protest upon occasion.  

Going to a private list
defeats the purpose and subverts our entire mission.

    ATS:  As above, I am not on any private list with Priscus, so far as I know, but if someone wants a Latin translation via private mail, that is his or her business.  When I get a chance, I shall provide it.  

 optime vale
 M.Hortensia Maior

I'd also like to add that this is the year of Corcordia. I have made
up with Marinus and I certainly hope we've put old feuds to rest. I
bear no enimity toward anyone.
 in pacem Concordiae!

Valete.  

> Albucius Prisco omn.que s.d.
>
> Lol, excellent idea!
>
> Here is a message:
>
> ENGLISH:
> "You are well on Quintus Servilius Priscus 's cell phone. Pls
leave
> me a message after the ring. I'll call you back as soon as
possible."
>
> LATIN:
> "Es gestabili Servilii Prisci. Trade nuntium post tinnitum,
gratias!
> Te iterum vocabo statim ex opere."
>
> A few precisions :
>
> - well : not translated, not that useful
> - cell phone = telephonum gestabilis
> - tinnitum = the ring. You can latinize a modern Am-English word
if
> you want. For ex. in French, we say the "bip". So we could imagine
> a "bippum", neutral, so "post bippum".
> - gratias = thanks (you can withdraw it, maybe Ancient Romans
would
> have done it more than we would)
> - te iterum etc. : te=you : you can delete the "te", for it is
> obvious that you will not call the Pope back instead of the one
who
> has left the message ;-)
> - vocabo : future. You can put instead the present : "voco".
> - statim ex opere = as soon as I am not busy anymore.
>
> A Roman would have issued a message like this one, imho : as short
as
> possible. The shortest item would thus give:
>
> "Es gestabili Servilii Prisci. Trade nuntium post tinnitum! Iterum
> voco statim ex opere."
>
> Every one may use this announce. Just replace "Servilii Prisci" by
> the GENITIVE of your NOMEN + COGNOMEN. In case of doubt, drop a
> message to one of our latinists in this forum.
>
> Vale Prisce et omnes !
>
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "Charlie Collins" <curator.svr@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > Has anyone ever translated a greeting for a cell phone? I'm
looking
> a
> > standard type of greeting. I would like to set-up a dual language
> > greeting if possible(i.e. English/Latin).
> >
> > Vale,
> > Quintus Servilius Priscus
> >
>

 
      
   Messages in this topic           <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/56588;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit

This is not the "New Roman" list and I don't suspect senator Audens reads the main list much.  His anti-Latin sentiment is perplexing.  I am no Latinist, but I can often follow some of the dialogue posted in Latin simply because the more I see it and look up words from time to time the better I understand.  As Nova Romans (and especially senatores) we should be encouraging the use of Latin -- note:  I am speaking not against you, but rather against the reactionary tone of the post by Audens on the New Roman list.

You are correct that no list in Nova Roma is always friendly, but they should be open. 

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

    It seems that the ML is not always open and friendly, but rather more like a minefield at times, not to mention that sharing Latinity has been known to produce considerable protest upon occasion. 

Salvete Modiane et Scholastica:
exactly. Senator Audens has learning difficulties (he mentioned
this on the New Roman list) so he is sensitive about Latin. It was
discussed ages ago on the New Roman list.

But this is the Main List and an open and friendly discussion.

Since Scholastica works with Avitus, I'd enjoy knowing and sharing
his neologism with everyone. So we all would benefit; after all we
can't speak Latin if the Latinists keep it to themselves, can we;-)
optime vale
Maior

>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit
>
> This is not the "New Roman" list and I don't suspect senator

Audens reads

> the main list much. His anti-Latin sentiment is perplexing. I am

no

> Latinist, but I can often follow some of the dialogue posted in

Latin simply

> because the more I see it and look up words from time to time the

better I

> understand. As Nova Romans (and especially senatores) we should be
> encouraging the use of Latin -- note: I am speaking not against

you, but

> rather against the reactionary tone of the post by Audens on the

New Roman

> list.
>
> You are correct that no list in Nova Roma is always friendly, but

they

> should be open.
>
> Vale:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > It seems that the ML is not always open and friendly, but

rather more

> > like a minefield at times, not to mention that sharing Latinity

has been

> > known to produce considerable protest upon occasion.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit

This is not the "New Roman" list and I don't suspect senator Audens reads the main list much.  

    ATS:  Indeed, but he has complained elsewhere, and I doubt he is completely alone.  However, he has unsubscribed from the ML, Announcements, New Roman, and one for something similar to the ager publicus, and perhaps other lists as well...which may be why some of us were allowed to wish Lentulus a happy birthday in Latin without being rebuked.   As I said on New Roman, there is no compelling need for everyone to read every message; upon occasions, private conversations do occur on lists.  


His anti-Latin sentiment is perplexing.

    ATS:  It certainly is, and is harmful to Nova Roma, especially when coupled with a that regarding other languages.  As I observed there, New Romans are not all English speakers, and for some at least, English is not even their second language, but one far more removed from their native tongues, and one correspondingly more difficult for them to use.  Latin is our common tongue, and criticizing someone for using the language of the Romans in a Roman-based organization is, to say the least, totally unexpected and extremely counterproductive.  

 I am no Latinist, but I can often follow some of the dialogue posted in Latin simply because the more I see it and look up words from time to time the better I understand.  

    ATS:  Of course; something like 60% of the English vocabulary is derived from Latin.  A little effort helps, too.  

As Nova Romans (and especially senatores) we should be encouraging the use of Latin --

    ATS:  I agree completely (surely you did not expect anything else...).  



note:  I am speaking not against you, but rather against the reactionary tone of the post by Audens on the New Roman list.

    ATS:  I am glad that you are not speaking against me.  Unfortunately, Senator Audens, an otherwise fine citizen and former magistrate who deserves a great deal of respect for his work for NR, has made a habit of criticizing those who do not write in English, particularly those who write in Latin, and has done so in a number of venues.  I fully anticipated a reaction from him, but the vigor with which he pursued this and his reaction to my reply were more than untoward, especially considering that the supposed offender was a brand-new citizen who probably never dreamed that he would be rebuked for writing in Latin, and that, too, very elementary school Latin.  He has fallen silent...and may even have left us after being slapped in the face for daring to write in the language of the Romans.  This is no way to welcome a new citizen.  

You are correct that no list in Nova Roma is always friendly, but they should be open.  

    ATS:  I’m not sure in what sense you are taking the word open; I think we must keep things like sodality business within the sodality in question, cohors business within the cohors, and senate business within the senate, etc., and we must sometimes restrict entry to our lists.  Spammers do try to enter even our restricted lists; we had one today on a sodalitas list, and another not long ago in a different venue.  Some of our lists have become so infested with these that they are useless.  We also have known troublemakers who must be kept out for the sake of the other members.   Those of us who are sensible are not interested in having extreme sports transferred to our lists, especially when they involve fighting.  

    Back to correcting GL I final exam paragraph translations...

    

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

Vale, et valete.  



On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

 

    It seems that the ML is not always open and friendly, but rather more like a minefield at times, not to mention that sharing Latinity has been known to produce considerable protest upon occasion.  

    

 
      
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M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Hercules virtutem in nos addat.

Hodie est die pristine Nonas Iunias; haec dies comitialis est:
Herculi Custodi

AUC 671 / 82 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Hercules Custus near
the Circus Flaminius.

"Hercules, Founder of our city, You who are called Alcidus, in whose
footsteps we now reside on this hallowed earth, avert the threatening
storms from our land." ~ Silius Italicus Punica 1.505-7

"Why not arouse yourself, Hercules, to come and to graciously honour
these feats of the festival we hold in your name; whether to split
the clouds with your discus, or send your javelin speeding more
swiftly than Zephyrs, or whether it please you to lock arms in a
Libyan wrestling competition, indulge our ceremonies with your divine
presence." ~ Statius, Silvae 3.1.154-158

Plutarch, Roman Questions 90:

"Why is it that, when the sacrifice to Hercules takes place, they
mention by name no other God, and why is a dog never seen within His
enclosure, as Varro recorded? Do they make mention of no other God
because they regard Hercules as a demigod? But, as some relate, even
while He was still on earth, Evander erected an altar to Him and
brought Him sacrifice. And of all animals he contended most with a
dog, for it is a fact that this beast always gave Him much trouble,
Cerebus, for instance. And, to crown all, when Oeonus, Licymnius'
son, had been murdered by the sons of Hippocoon because of a dog,
Hercules was compelled to engage in battle with them, and lost many
of His friends and His brother Iphicles."


AUC 736 / 17 BCE: The Ludi Saeculares continued into the fourth day.

There is a gap in the Acta Sacrorum Saecularium Celebratorum on what
exactly was performed on 4 June. However an edict was issued either
on the third or forth extending the Ludi:

"And an edict was issued in the following words: The quindecimviri
sacris faciundis decree: We have added seven extra days of games to
the holy rites of the games, and we shall commence them on the Nones
of June (5 June) with plays in Latin in the wooden theatre which is
next to the Tiber at the second hour; Greek shows in the theatre of
Pompey at the third hour; Greek stage plays in the theatre which is
in the Circus Flaminius at the fourth hour." ~ CIL 6.32323 Lines 155-
8:

Emperor Claudius celebrated the Ludi Saeculares again in 47 CE to
mark the 800th anniversary of the Founding of Rome. Domitian
celebrated them again in 88 CE, roughly one hundred years after they
were instituted by Augustus. Then in 204 CE Severus marked the
second hundredth years and in 248 CE Philippus again celebrated the
Ludi Saeculares.

From the fifth century we get a description of later events.

"Heralds go about summoning everyone to attend a spectacle they have
never seen bfore and will never see again. In summer, a few days
before it begins, the Quindecemviri sit in the Capitol and in the
Palatine temple on a tribunal and distribute purifying agents, such
as torches, brimstone and pitch, to the people; slaves do not
participate in this, only freemen. When all the people assemble in
the above-mentioned places and in the temple of Diana on the
Aventine, each one bringing wheat, barley and beans, they keep the
all-night vigils to the Fates with great solemnity for [lacuna]
nights. Then when the time arrives for the festival, which is
celebrated for three days and three nights in the Campus Martius, the
victims are dedicated on the bank of the Tiber at Tarentum.

"Therefore, as the [Sibylline] oracle truly says, while all this was
observed according to direction, the Roman Empire was safe and Rome
remained in control of virtually all the inhabited world, but once
this festival was neglected after Diocletian's abdication, the empire
gradually collapsed and was imperceptibly barbarized.... From the
consulship of Chilo and Libo [204 CE], when Severus celebrated the
Secular Games, until Diocletian for the ninth time and Maximian for
the eighth were consuls [304 CE], one hundred years elapsed. Maximian
wanted to celebrate the festival then, contrary to rule, but next
year Diocletian became a private citizen instead of emperor and
Maximian followed his example. When Constantine and Licinius were in
their third consulship [314 CE], the period of one hundred and ten
years had elapsed and they ought to have kept up the traditional
festival. By neglecting it, matters were bound to come to their
present unhappy state." ~ Zosimus, Historia Nova 2.5.1-2; 2.7.1-2


Our thought for today, actually a few thoughts, come in honor that
today is the birthday of Socrates, AUC 283 / 470 BCE:

"According to thine ability do sacrifice to the immortal Gods." ~
Hesiod, Works and Days 336

"His (Socrates') formula for prayer was simple: 'Give me that which
is best for me,' for, said he, the Gods know best what good things
are - to pray for gold or silver or despotic power were no better
than to make some particular throw at dice or stake in battle or any
such thing the subject of prayer, of which the future consequences
are manifestly uncertain." ~ Xenophon, Memorabilia 1.3

"As regards the ordinary necessities of life, his advice was, "Act as
you believe these things may best be done." But in the case of those
darker problems, the issues of which are incalculable, he directed
his friends to consult the oracle, whether the business should be
undertaken or not. "No one," he would say, "who wishes to manage a
house or city with success: no one aspiring to guide the helm of
state aright, can afford to dispense with aid from above. Doubtless,
skill in carpentering, building, smithying, farming, of the art of
governing men, together with the theory of these processes, and the
sciences of arithmetic, economy, strategy, are affairs of study, and
within the grasp of human intelligence. Yet there is a side even of
these, and that not the least important, which the gods reserve to
themselves, the bearing of which is hidden from mortal vision. Thus,
let a man sow a field or plant a farm never so well, yet he cannot
foretell who will gather in the fruits: another may build him a house
of fairest proportion, yet he knows not who will inhabit it. Neither
can a general foresee whether it will profit him to conduct a
campaign, nor a politician be certain whether his leadership will
turn to evil or good. Nor can the man who weds a fair wife, looking
forward to joy, know whether through her he shall not reap sorrow.
Neither can he who has built up a powerful connection in the state
know whether he shall not by means of it be cast out of his city. To
suppose that all these matters lay within the scope of human
judgment, to the exclusion of the preternatural, was preternatural
folly. Nor was it less extravagant to go and consult the will of
Heaven on any questions which it is given to us to decide by dint of
learning. As though a man should inquire, 'Am I to choose an expert
driver as my coachman, or one who has never handled the reins?''Shall
I appoint a mariner to be skipper of my vessel, or a landsman?' And
so with respect to all we may know by numbering, weighing, and
measuring. To seek advice from Heaven on such points was a sort of
profanity. 'Our duty is plain,' he would observe; 'where we are
permitted to work through our natural faculties, there let us by all
means apply them. But in things which are hidden, let us seek to gain
knowledge from above, by divination; for the gods,' he added, 'grant
signs to those to whom they will be gracious.'" ~ Xenophon,
Memorabilia 1.1

 

 

 

 

 

 

C.Aquillis Rota S.P.D.

Salvete omnes

I would like to ask you if you could help me with your advice.
My wife and me are working on an old brick building in the Province
of America Austrorintalis. We reconstructed the interior in the 3rd
and 4th pompeian stile. The outside "Portiucus" I guess is finished
in faux marble and ancient stile columns.
I want to put specific writing above the entrance on the marble as it
is the tradition.
The question is :
What is the general information which is found on ancient buildings?
What is suitable?
Could you please give me advice?
How and what for example was abbreviated (The Province Name for
example, Am.Austorient.???)etc.

Is there somebody who can help me or advice me with this speciffic
problem?

I can also be reached by skype or messenger by Adriano.Rota@...

Thak you

Optime vale

C.Aquillius Rota

Attachments :

Salve Saturnine,

I have just read a very interesting, up-to date, economic history of
Rome, written by one of the leading italian economsts.

The title is: Quando l'Italia era una superpotenza.
Il ferro di Roma e l'oro dei mercanti"
by Giorgio Ruffolo, Einaudi, Torino 2008.
86 pages, 10,00 euros.
(When Italy was a superpower - Rome's iron and the merchants' gold)

I suggest NR doesn't try to emulate Roma antiqua very strictly, unless
someone's willing to go out and conquer some territories, because it
looks as if all of its economy depended on booty.

Anyway I'm willing to re-read the book and see if there's something
that can be applied.

Optime vale,
L. Livia Plauta

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> As a chairman of the Senate budget committee, I ask the help of

every

> citizen. This year we need to re-organize in many ways the financial

> practices and financial administration of NR. The Consules have

asked

> the Senate committee to form proposals of what, how, when and why
> should be done to these matters.
>
> What we need is information from original sources and from research
> about financial administration and practices of ancient Romans. How
> things worked? It would be wonderful to be able to reconstruct the
> whole Roman system of one particular era, but that is probably
> impossible for many reasons. Still we can try. This is a long

process

> taking probably years of investigation and consideration, but it
> needs to start now, and we can set the ball rolling very soon.
>
> I also invite comments and ideas from law-orientated minds amongst
> us: how to do the remodeling in most practical way, how to make it
> possible to continue remodeling also in the future?
>
> I would like to form a studygroup around this subject, if there are
> enough interested people to take part to it, that would work under
> the guidance of the Senate committee. Let me know about your

interest

> and/or suggestions, ideas, wishesÂ… either by private message or here

> at the mailing list.
>
> Let's work!
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Curius Saturninus
> (Mikko Sillanpää)
>
> Senator - Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Thules
> Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> thule.novaroma.org
>

Salve,
Please consider myself in the study group when one is formed.
Proud Nova Roman,
Gaius Pompeius Marcellus


On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:28:41 +0300
"C. Curius Saturninus" <c.curius@...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> As a chairman of the Senate budget committee, I ask the help of every
> citizen. This year we need to re-organize in many ways the financial
> practices and financial administration of NR. The Consules have asked the
>Senate committee to form proposals of what, how, when and why should be done
>to these matters.
>
> What we need is information from original sources and from research about
>financial administration and practices of ancient Romans. How things worked?
>It would be wonderful to be able to reconstruct the whole Roman system of
>one particular era, but that is probably impossible for many reasons. Still
>we can try. This is a long process taking probably years of investigation
>and consideration, but it needs to start now, and we can set the ball
>rolling very soon.
>
> I also invite comments and ideas from law-orientated minds amongst us: how
>to do the remodeling in most practical way, how to make it possible to
>continue remodeling also in the future?
>
> I would like to form a studygroup around this subject, if there are enough
>interested people to take part to it, that would work under the guidance of
>the Senate committee. Let me know about your interest and/or suggestions,
>ideas, wishes… either by private message or here at the mailing list.
>
> Let’s work!
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Curius Saturninus
> (Mikko Sillanpää)
>
> Senator - Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Thules
> Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> thule.novaroma.org
>
>
>

Maior Rotae spd;
I would go over to Latinitas as this is a case of epigraphy +
Latin.
optime vale
Maior

> The question is :
> What is the general information which is found on ancient

buildings?

> What is suitable?
> Could you please give me advice?
> How and what for example was abbreviated (The Province Name for
> example, Am.Austorient. ???)etc.
>
> Is there somebody who can help me or advice me with this speciffic
> problem?
>
> I can also be reached by skype or messenger by Adriano.Rota@

yahoo.com

>
> Thak you
>
> Optime vale
>
> C.Aquillius Rota
>

SALVETE!

I usually use the Epigraphik Datenbank, now, with more languages
interface:
http://compute-in.ku-eichstaett.de:8888/pls/epigr/epigraphik_en

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Rotae spd;
> I would go over to Latinitas as this is a case of epigraphy +
> Latin.
> optime vale
> Maior

C. Aurelia Falco Silvana omnibus civibus Novae Romae SPD.

Now for something completely different!

Here is the 1925 (silent movie) version of Ben Hur,
with a chariot race that is truly amazing for the
movie technology that was available at that time.
The story line also brings out points that were
somewhat lost in the the more modern version.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v909076knWYqcct?rank=0&jsonParams=%7B%22numResults%22%3A20%2C%22rlmin%22%3A0%2C%22query%22%3A%22Ben+Hur+1925%22%2C%22rlmax%22%3Anull%2C%22order%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22range%22%3A%22a%22%2C%22sId%22%3A%222505250412495610880%22%7D&searchId=2505250412495610880&rank=1

NOTE: This is a terribly long URL. If Yahoo chops it up,
go to Veoh TV at http://www.veoh.com/#
Then search "Ben Hur 1925" -- the video should be
at the top of the list.

Enjoy! and see you all soon in the Circus Maximus.

Valete

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos inculumes custodiant

Hodie est Nonae Iuniae; haec dies nefastus est: Dio Fidio in colle

AUC 287 / 466 BCE: Temple of Semo Sancus dedicated on the Quirinal
Hill.

"Because Your hands have purified the Earth, the Sabines of Cures
called You Sancus, The Holy One. Hail Father Sancus, whom austere
Juno now favors. O Sancus, may You wish to be with me and Your
spirit be in my books." ~ Propertius Eligiae 4.9.71-4

The Temple of Semo Sangus (Sancus) was said to have been vowed by
Tarquinius Superbus and dedicated by Sp. Postumius on the Quirinal
Hill in 466 BCE. However there was an earlier altar within a fanum
near this site that had been introduced by Titus Tatius (Dionysius of
Halicarnassus 2.49.2; 4.58; 9.60; Varro L. L. 5.74; Livy 8.20.8). His
nature was at times described as Dius Fidius; in Greek, Zeus
Pistios. The identification of Semo Sancus, a Sabine deity of
sowing, as Dius Fidius, a deity of good faith in oaths, would seem to
have begun with Aelius Stilo, and was accepted by Verrius (Varro L.
L. 5.66; Festus 241). After this identification was well established
we find Him called upon in the Imperial Era as Semo Sancus Deus
Fidius (CIL 6.568).

Varro tells how a hole pierced the roof of the temple, since, "Some
say that it is improper to take an oath by His name when you are
under a roof." The same was true of Tutilina and probably other
agricultural deities (Plinius Secundus H. N. 18.2). It was in the
Temple of Semo Sancus that the Romans stored their oldest treaty,
which was between Tarquinius Superbus and the Gabii, made of planks
of wood bound by the hide of a sacrificed ox (Dionysius of
Halicarnassus 4.58). Also held in His temple was a bronze statue of
Gaia Caecilia as she was idealized as the model of "a fair and
virtuous woman" (Plutarch, Rom. Ques. 30; i. e.Tanaquil).

Varro also discusses how the name Dius was related to the early name
for Jupiter as Diovis, both names referring to the sky. At Iguvium,
among the Umbrians, one of their most important deities was Fisiovis
Sancius, at times called Fisus. Fisus would seem to be related to
Fides, said to have been brought to Rome by Numa Pompilius, if not by
Titus Tatius beforehand (Livy 1.21.4). At Iguvium the sacrifice
performed for Fisus had his priest don a mandraclo, or double folded
white cloth, over his right hand. In similar fashion, for the rite
performed for Fides on 1 Oct the flamines maiores bind their right
arms from above the elbow to nearly the finger tips. In each case,
Umbrian Fisus Sancius, Sabine Semo Sangus, and Roman Dius Fidius
there was a strong relation, if not identification, with Jupiter.
From Aelius Stilo again there appears an association of Semo Sancus
with Hercules as the son of Jupiter (Varro, L. L. 5.66). This was
clearly a Greek influence, a syncretism of Heracles with Dius Fidius
due to their similar roles as deities by which oaths were sworn and
vows made under an open sky. By the time of Tiberius, Ovid was
feigning ignorance of Semo Sancus as Hercules was, more and more,
taking over His role. Men swore oaths by Semo Sancus, Hercules,
Pollux (but not Castor), or by their Genius. Women swore by their
Juno (Gellius, Noctes Atticae 11.6.1; Seneca, Epstiles 12.2). Among
later Roman scholars therefore Hercules came to be identified as Semo
Sancus Dius Fidius.


Plutarch, Roman Questions 28:

"Why do they tell children, whenever they would swear by Hercules, no
to do so under a roof, and bid them go out into the open air? Is it,
as some relate, because they believe that Hercules had no pleasure in
staying in the house, but rejoiced in a life in the open air and a
bed under the stars? Or is it rather because Hercules is not one of
the native Gods, but a foreigner from afar? For neither do they
swear under the roof by Bacchus, since he also is a foreign God if He
is from Nysa. Or is this but said in jest to the children and what
is done is really a check upon over-readiness and hastiness to swear,
as Favorinus stated? For what is done following, as it were, upon
preparation produces delay and allows deliberations. Yet one might
urge against Favorinus the fact that this custom is not common, but
peculiar to Hercules, as may be seen from the legend about him: for
it is recorded that he was so circumspect regarding an oath that he
swore but once and for Phyleus, the son of Augeas, alone. Wherefore
they say that the prophetic priestess also brought up against the
Spartans all the oaths they had sworn, saying that it would be better
and much more to be desired if they would keep them!"


AUC 736 / 17 BCE: The fifth day of the Ludi Saeculare

"On the Nones of June (5 June), seven extra days games were
commenced: Plays in Latin were given] in the wooden theatre; Greek
shows in the theatre of Pompey; Greek stage plays in the theatre
which is in the Circus Flaminius." ~ CIL 6.32323 Lines 160-161


Our thought for today comes from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 12.17:

"If it is not right, do not do it: if it is not true, do not say it."

Salve Silvana et omnes !

I do like these old movies, specially for their architecture,
clothes, faces and stereotypes. May Mac Avoy is as accute in Esther
as Lilian Gish would have been... And BenHur starring Ramon Navarro,
who was a gentle gay man, has not the large shoulders and fierce face
of a Charlton Heston or of a Russell Crow.

This said, we see that from Melies to Niblo, the first decades of the
cinema have already all created. Niblo used more cams than a TV
channel can afford, even in a World Cup Soccer Finals today : 42 !

Yes, maybe that the quadrigae have not been built like the Ancient
would have, specially to keep them stability in the turns, and maybe
also that, if we count the number of turns, they would be closer to
20 and over than of the usual tens or under.

But what a mastership ! And how sweet were these times where you
could get so many people to play in the movie (see the audience!)!!
A thought for the London Philharmonic Orchestra music tape, and for
all the small characters, that we do not see in the screen, played
here or in other scenes by... Lilian Gish (in the crowd), Gary
Cooper, Clark Gable or Douglas Fairbanks.

Thanks a lot for this amazing great movie !

Vale bene et omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
aed. cur.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C. Aurelia Falco Silvana"
<silvanatextrix@...> wrote:

>
> C. Aurelia Falco Silvana omnibus civibus Novae Romae SPD.
>
> Now for something completely different!
>
> Here is the 1925 (silent movie) version of Ben Hur,
> with a chariot race that is truly amazing for the
> movie technology that was available at that time.
> The story line also brings out points that were
> somewhat lost in the the more modern version.
>
> http://www.veoh.com/videos/v909076knWYqcct?rank=0&jsonParams=%7B%

22numResults%22%3A20%2C%22rlmin%22%3A0%2C%22query%22%3A%
22Ben+Hur+1925%22%2C%22rlmax%22%3Anull%2C%22order%22%3A%22default%22%
2C%22range%22%3A%22a%22%2C%22sId%22%3A%222505250412495610880%22%
7D&searchId=2505250412495610880&rank=1

>
> NOTE: This is a terribly long URL. If Yahoo chops it up,
> go to Veoh TV at http://www.veoh.com/#
> Then search "Ben Hur 1925" -- the video should be
> at the top of the list.
>
> Enjoy! and see you all soon in the Circus Maximus.
>
> Valete
>

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Salvete,

Per the request of the Consuls, the Ludi Matutini will be dedicated to
children.

I am currently writing the narratives for the circenses races and would
like to request permission of any citizen who has a minor daughter to
use their child's Roman name(s) in the opening ceremonies for the
chariot races. They will be dropping the mappa to start the races,
dressed as Aurora. If you have an infant female child, I will write in
the parent(s) Roman name(s), as you will be holding your child.

Your participation is welcomed and we thank you for it, should you
decide to participate. I need the Roman names of the daughters and
parents no later than this weekend, as the races start on Monday!

You may email the names to me at lucius_vitellius_triarius @ yahoo . com

Valete optime,

Triarius

=========================================
ENROLL NOW FOR LUDI MATUTINI :: JUNE 9-11
=========================================

Events:

LUDI CIRCENSES:

Enroll your chariots/drivers in the Ludi Circenses at the Circus
Maximus! You may enter one or two chariots/drivers.

Entries must contain:

A. His/her name in Nova Roma;
B. The name of his/her driver;
C. The name of his/her chariot;
D. His/her tactics for the Quarters and Semifinals;
E. His/her tactics for the Finals;
F. The name of his/her "factio" or team:
---Albata
---Praesina
---Russata
---Veneta
G. Tactics: Six (6) race tactics are possible:
---1. To hurry in the last laps
---2. To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.
---3. To support a constant pace
---4. To lash the rivals
---5. To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
---6. To hurry in the straight lines
H. Description of your chariot/driver (optional)

Deadline: Entries must be recieved no later than Midnight (Rome
time), June 7th.
Quarter-Finals Results will be published on June 9th.
Semi-Finals Results will be published on June 10th.
Finals Results will be published on June 11th.

Send entries to: lucius_vitellius_triarius@...

With the Ludi Circenses soon upon us, here is the complete chariot
race from Ben Hur, start to finish to set the mood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbQvpJsTvxU

Good luck to all owners, aurigae, and especially the magnificent
horses who bring their speed and courage to the races.

=========================================

POEM CONTEST:

1. This contest consists of writing a poem (14-40 verses), and must
use six (6) mandatory words: fire, furious, virgin, virtuous, sun,
sin).
2. Winner of this contest will be awarded a Ludi Cultural Medal w/
neck ribbon (Ludi Corona Humanitas).
3. Deadline: Entries must be recieved no later than Midnight (Rome
time), June 9th.
4. Results will be published on Idus: June 15th.
5. Send entries to: lucius_vitellius_triarius@...

=========================================

ESSAY CONTEST:

1. This contest consists of writing an essay, and must use the
topic: "M. Furius Camillus and dawn".
2. Winner of this contest will be awarded a Ludi Cultural Medal w/
neck ribbon (Ludi Corona Humanitas).
3. Deadline: Entries must be recieved no later than Midnight (Rome
time), June 10th.
4. Results will be published on Idus: June 15th.
5. Send entries to: lucius_vitellius_triarius@...

=========================================

PHOTO or VIDEO CONTEST:

1. This contest consists of a photo or video with one of the
following themes: (A) Battle at Dawn, (B) "qui bene amat bene
castigat", or (3) "Portrait of a Matrona".
2. Winner of this contest will be awarded a Ludi Cultural Medal w/
neck ribbon (Ludi Corona Humanitas).
3. Deadline: Entries must be recieved no later than Midnight (Rome
time), June 11th.
4. Results will be published on Idus: June 15th.
5. Send entries to: lucius_vitellius_triarius@...

=========================================

There will also be Certamen Events!

=========================================

WE WILL ALSO INCLUDE A SPECIAL SUMMER SECTION FOR KIDS! Details to
be announced on June 9th.

=========================================

You may also see the Ludi Events page at:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Matutini_2761_AUC_%28Nova_Roma%29

We look forward to seeing you at the Ludi!


Valete optime,

L. Vitellius Triarius
Quaestor
Aedilitas curulis

Complutensis Triari sal

I have sent you a private reply

Vale

L. Vitellius Triarius escribió:

Salvete,

Per the request of the Consuls, the Ludi Matutini will be dedicated to
children.

I am currently writing the narratives for the circenses races and would
like to request permission of any citizen who has a minor daughter to
use their child's Roman name(s) in the opening ceremonies for the
chariot races. They will be dropping the mappa to start the races,
dressed as Aurora. If you have an infant female child, I will write in
the parent(s) Roman name(s), as you will be holding your child.

Your participation is welcomed and we thank you for it, should you
decide to participate. I need the Roman names of the daughters and
parents no later than this weekend, as the races start on Monday!

You may email the names to me at lucius_vitellius_ triarius @ yahoo . com

Valete optime,

Triarius

Oulete et Salvete,

The members of the Boule of Sodalitas Graeciae invite you to visit
our webpages and learn more about Greek influence on our ancient
Roman brethern. Sodalitas Graeciae is dedicated to the study and
restoration of the different aspects of ancient Greek culture and
their influences on ancient Roman society. You do not need to speak,
read or write Greek to be a member of the sodalitas. We also welcome
those well-versed in the Greek ways to become a member.

If you are new to NR or and old member of Sodalitas Graeciae, please
stop by and see our new updated pages...who knows you may want to
start your own greek e-village.

Visit us at:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Sodalitas_Graeciae_%28Nova_Roma%29

Vale optime et Khairete,

Dienekes (Triarius)

EX OFFICIO PRÆTORIS ARGENTINÆ
Decimus Cassius Lupus prætor Argentinae omnibus argentinus civibus
S.P.D

Ex hoc, sequentes cives consilio prætorio moveo:

La siguiente ciudadana pasa a formar parte del Consilium Prætoris (gobierno de la Provincia) :

The following citizen is hereby appointed as member of the Consilium Praetoris (provincial administration):

GAIA IVLIA AGRIPPA LEGATA INTERNIS REBVS

Hoc edictum statim valet

Este Edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente.

This Edict becomes effective immediately.

Datum sub manu mea prid. Non. Iun.MMDCCLXI.A.V.C. M. Moravio T. Iulio cos.

DECIMVS CASSIVS LVPVS
PRÆTOR-ARGENTINÆ

Received and much appreciated!

Vale optime,
Triarius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, MCC <complutensis@...> wrote:
>
> Complutensis Triari sal
>
> I have sent you a private reply
>
> Vale
>
> L. Vitellius Triarius escribió:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > Per the request of the Consuls, the Ludi Matutini will be
dedicated to
> > children.
> >
> > I am currently writing the narratives for the circenses races and
would
> > like to request permission of any citizen who has a minor
daughter to
> > use their child's Roman name(s) in the opening ceremonies for the
> > chariot races. They will be dropping the mappa to start the races,
> > dressed as Aurora. If you have an infant female child, I will
write in
> > the parent(s) Roman name(s), as you will be holding your child.
> >
> > Your participation is welcomed and we thank you for it, should you
> > decide to participate. I need the Roman names of the daughters and
> > parents no later than this weekend, as the races start on Monday!
> >
> > You may email the names to me at lucius_vitellius_triarius @
yahoo . com
> >
> > Valete optime,
> >
> > Triarius
> >
> >
>

EX OFFICIO Legatus Pro PRÆTORIS ARGENTINÆ
Decimus Cassius Lupus prætor Argentinae omnibus argentinus civibus
S.P.D

Ex hoc, sequentes cives consilio prætorio moveo:

La siguiente ciudadana pasa a formar parte del Consilium Prætoris
(gobierno de la Provincia) :

The following citizen is hereby appointed as member of the Consilium
Praetoris (provincial administration):

GAIA IVLIA AGRIPPA LEGATA INTERNIS REBVS

Hoc edictum statim valet

Este Edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente.

This Edict becomes effective immediately.

Datum sub manu mea prid. Non. Iun.MMDCCLXI.A.V.C. M. Moravio T. Iulio
cos.

DECIMVS CASSIVS LVPVS
Legatus Pro Praetore-ARGENTINÆ

P. Memmius Albucius Pr. Complutensi s.d.

These pages are much welcome, and wonderful !

If you do not mind, we will also insert - but just the table *games*
page, these pages in the Aedicilian pages. We will help you to
translate them... or you will help us...!

Vale bene Complutensis,


Albucius
aed. cur.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
<complutensis@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete cives
>
> The articles on Roman board games Roman, written by Gnaeus

Salvius Astur, have been published in the web of Nova Roma (in
spanish language only, sorry):

>
> Tabula Lusoria:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:ES:Tabula_Lusoria

>
> Each game and its rules:
>
> Duodecim Scripta: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Duodecim_Scripta
> Latrunculi: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Latrunculi
> Tali: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Tali
> Terni Lapilli: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Terni_Lapilli
> Tesserae: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Tesserae.
>
> I have also included a series of articles on archaeological sites

in Spain:

>

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:ES:Archaeological_sites_in_Spain.

>
> Colonia Patricia Corduba:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Colonia_Patricia_Corduba

> Complutum: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Complutum
> El Medol-Tarragona: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:El_Medol
> Tarraco: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Tarraco
> Xabia: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Xabia
>
> Valete
>
> COMPLVTENSIS
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Publius Memmius Albucius

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:12 PM

Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ancient table games pages from Complutensis

P. Memmius Albucius Pr. Complutensi s.d.

These pages are much welcome, and wonderful !

If you do not mind, we will also insert - but just the table *games*
page, these pages in the Aedicilian pages. We will help you to
translate them... or you will help us...!

Vale bene Complutensis,

Albucius
aed. cur.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTEN SIS
<complutensis@ ...> wrote:
>
> Salvete cives
>
> The articles on Roman board games Roman, written by Gnaeus
Salvius Astur, have been published in the web of Nova Roma (in
spanish language only, sorry):
>
> Tabula Lusoria:
http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Category :ES:Tabula_ Lusoria
>
> Each game and its rules:
>
> Duodecim Scripta: http://www.novaroma .org/nr/ES: Duodecim_ Scripta
> Latrunculi: http://www.novaroma .org/nr/ES: Latrunculi
> Tali: http://www.novaroma .org/nr/ES: Tali
> Terni Lapilli: http://www.novaroma .org/nr/ES: Terni_Lapilli
> Tesserae: http://www.novaroma .org/nr/ES: Tesserae.
>
> I have also included a series of articles on archaeological sites
in Spain:
>
http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Category :ES:Archaeologic al_sites_ in_Spain.
>
> Colonia Patricia Corduba:
http://www.novaroma .org/nr/ES: Colonia_Patricia _Corduba
> Complutum: http://www.novaroma .org/nr/ES: Complutum
> El Medol-Tarragona: http://www.novaroma .org/nr/ES: El_Medol
> Tarraco: http://www.novaroma .org/nr/ES: Tarraco
> Xabia: http://www.novaroma .org/nr/ES: Xabia
>
> Valete
>
> COMPLVTENSIS
>

Happy Birthday Cornelius!
Here's hoping that you had better luck than my father who was both born and
died on May 30.

Just a quick question. I see that you've elevated 2 citizens to vicar and
assistent vicar espectively. I don't believe I've ever seen anyone with
those titles in NR. Is this a century points earning title?

Vale,
Diana

----- Original Message -----
From: "Titus Iulius Sabinus" <iulius_sabinus@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 4:11 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Edictum XI. Legati Pro Praetore Pannoniae Cn.
Corneli Lentuli - about preferments and appointments


> SALVE CORNELI LENTULE ET SALVETE!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
> <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
>
>> In my birthday, the 30th May, I issue this edict to honour my
> fellow citizens who are working so hard for Pannonia.>>>
>
> Happy birthday, my friend. I wish you all the best.
>
>> I. - I hereby elevate _Lucia Livia Plauta_ as Legata Legati Pro
> Praetore Pannoniae to be my first vicar and deputy in the province.
>> II. - I hereby elevate _Lucia Laelia Laeta Scaevola_ as Legata
> Legati Pro Praetore Pannoniae to be my vicar and deputy in the
> province.
>>III. - I hereby elevate _Quintus Arrius Nauta_ as 2nd Rank Scriba
> Legati Pro Praetore Pannoniae, to be my assisitant and to administer
> the province.
>>IV. - I hereby appoint _Tita Popillia Laenas_ as 3rd Rank Scriba
> Legati Pro Praetore Pannoniae, to be my assistant and to administer
> the province.>>>
>
> Congratulations to the Pannonia's citizens for their dedication! I
> send them a friendly salute and I wish them successes in all what
> they planed for the best of Nova Roma and provincia Pannonia.
>
> VALE ET VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Ex Officio Tribunus Plebis Titus Flavius Aquila

Salvete Quirites,

I would like to inform you, that I have to go on a business trip –
starting Monday the 9th of June 2761 A.U.C. and not returning before
Sunday the 15th of June 2761 A.U.C.

During my trip I will barely have any access to the Internet.

Di vos incolumes custodiant
Titus Flavius Aquila
Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma
VIII Idus Iunias MMDCCLXI AUC