Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. June 20-30, 2008

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56753 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-06-20
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56754 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-06-20
Subject: Quick Latin Help Request
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56755 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Quick Latin Help Request
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56756 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56757 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: a. d. XI Kalendas Quintilias: Battle of Transimene
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56758 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56759 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56760 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56761 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56762 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56763 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56764 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: If Senators Obama and McCain lived in the Roman Empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56765 From: Clovius Ullerius Ursus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: [SPAM][Nova-Roma] OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56766 From: glad2broman Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Stables and small bells
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56767 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56768 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56769 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: If Senators Obama and McCain lived in the Roman Empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56770 From: Maior Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: If Senators Obama and McCain lived in the Roman Empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56771 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-22
Subject: a, d, X Kalendas Quintilias: Battles of Raphia and Pydna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56772 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-06-22
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56773 From: sandy Date: 2008-06-22
Subject: Re: Pompeius Quartus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56774 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-06-22
Subject: Re: Pompeius Quartus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56775 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-06-22
Subject: Latin Query
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56776 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-06-23
Subject: Battles of Raphia - Hypaspists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56777 From: Maior Date: 2008-06-23
Subject: Re: Pompeius Quartus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56778 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-23
Subject: a. d. IX Kalendas Quintilias: Aftermath of Transimene and of Pydna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56779 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-06-23
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56780 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-23
Subject: Re: Battles of Raphia - Hypaspists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56781 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-24
Subject: a. d. VIII Kalendas Quintilias: Fortis Fortunae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56782 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-06-24
Subject: Official group for the Religio Romana, 6/24/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56783 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-25
Subject: a. d. VII Kalendas Quintilias: Ludi Tauri Quinquennales
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56784 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-06-26
Subject: Cn. Lentulus, Livia are in Dacia and are out of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56785 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-26
Subject: a. d. VI Kalendas Quintilias: Ludi Tauri; Death of Julian the Blesse
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56786 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-27
Subject: a. d. V Kalendas Quintilias: Iovi Statori; Laribus in Viae Sacrae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56787 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-06-28
Subject: Re: Quick Latin Help Request
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56788 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-28
Subject: a.d. IIII Kalendas Quinctilias: Battle of Maleventum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56789 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-06-28
Subject: Re: Quick Latin Help Request
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56790 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-29
Subject: a. d. III Kalendas Quinctilias: Quirino in colle
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56791 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-06-29
Subject: Reviving the Vestalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56792 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-06-29
Subject: File - EDICTUM DE SERMONE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56793 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-06-29
Subject: File - language.txt
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56794 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-30
Subject: Pridie Kalendas Quinctilias: Hercule Musagetibus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56795 From: phoenixfyre17 Date: 2008-06-30
Subject: Re: Reviving the Vestalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56796 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-06-30
Subject: A few words about the Novae festival.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56753 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-06-20
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Salve;

On 6/20/08, Titus Iulius Sabinus wrote:
>
> SALVE!
>
> Condolence, amice.
>
> VALE BENE,
> IVL SABINVS
>

Thank you.

My grief is deep, but my fondness for him will never die so long as I live.

Venii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56754 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-06-20
Subject: Quick Latin Help Request
I play an online game called Roma Victor, an MMORPG set at Hadrian's
Wall (near modern day Corbridge) in the year 185 AD.

I am the leader of a Roman religious cult, and we are currently
constructing a temple (based closely on the Pantheon).

Earlier today, as we were hard at work, we were attacked by 6
barbarian raiders who had somehow managed to sneak south of the wall.
There were 4 soldiers on hand to defend. 3 were killed relatively
quickly to one barbarian casualty, yet the last Roman standing, an
Auxiliary Centurion, managed to kill off the remaining 5 attackers
singlehandedly, killing the 5th with his bare hands after his weapon
broke and after suffering a serious injury that left him bleeding.

I would like to bestow an honorary title on this soldier, and that's
where I need the help of better Latinist than myself (which would be
pretty much any Latinist).

Using online tools, I came up with "Templum Defensor" (Defender of the
Temple).

Is there a better title that would be realistic that I could use?

If anyone else would like information on the game, please email me privately.

Thank you,
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56755 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Quick Latin Help Request
Salve!

It would be "Defensor Templi". The form "Templi" is called genitive case, and means "of the templum".

Vale!
Cn. Lentulus
Latinist


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56756 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Cn. Lentulus St, Ullerio Venatori Piperbarbo SD


You see the Nova Romans share in your mourning!

Peace.

One day you will meet him again!


Es consolatus!


Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Sacerdos Concordiae


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56757 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: a. d. XI Kalendas Quintilias: Battle of Transimene
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Deos ego omnis ut fortunas sint precor

Hodie est ante diem XI Kalendas Quintilias; haec dies comitialis est:

AUC 207 / 546 BCE: Death of Thales of Miletus

AUC 536 / 217 BCE: Flaminius neglects his religious responsibilities
as consul.

"(C. Flaminius) left the City secretly as a private individual and so
reached his province. When this got abroad there was a fresh outburst
of indignation on the part of the incensed senate; they declared that
he was carrying on war not only with the senate but even with the
immortal gods. "On the former occasion," they said, "when he was
elected consul against the auspices and we recalled him from the very
field of battle, he was disobedient to Gods and men. Now he is
conscious that he has despised them and has fled from the Capitol and
the customary recital of solemn vows. He refuses to approach the
temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus on the day of his entrance upon
office, to see and consult the Senate, to whom he is so odious and
whom he alone of all men detests, to proclaim the Latin festival and
offer sacrifice to Jupiter Latiaris on the Alban Mount, to proceed to
the Capitol and after duly taking the auspices recite the prescribed
vows, and from thence, vested in the paludamentum and escorted by
lictors, go in state to his province. He has stolen away furtively
without his insignia of office, without his lictors, just as though
he were some menial employed in the camp and had quitted his native
soil to go into exile. He thinks it, forsooth, more consonant with
the greatness of his office to enter upon it at Ariminum rather than
in Rome, and to put on his official dress in some wayside inn rather
than at his own hearth and in the presence of his own household
Gods." It was unanimously decided that he should be recalled, brought
back if need be by force, and compelled to discharge, on the spot,
all the duties he owed to the Gods and men before he went to the army
and to his province. Q. Terentius and M. Antistius were delegated for
this task, but they had no more influence with him than the dispatch
of the Senate in his former consulship. A few days afterwards he
entered upon office, and whilst offering his sacrifice, the calf,
after it was struck, bounded away out of the hands of the sacrificing
priests and bespattered many of the bystanders with its blood.
Amongst those at a distance from the altar who did not know what the
commotion was about there was great excitement; most people regarded
it as a most alarming omen." ~ Livy 21.63


AUC 536 / 217 BCE: Hannibal defeats Flaminius at Lake Transimene

"(Hannibal) had now reached a position eminently adapted for surprise
tactics, where the lake comes up close under the hills of Cortona.
There is only a very narrow road here between the hills and the lake,
as though a space had been purposely left far it. Further on there is
a small expanse of level ground flanked by hills, and it was here
that Hannibal pitched camp, which was only occupied by his Africans
and Spaniards, he himself being in command. The Balearics and the
rest of the light infantry he sent behind the hills; the cavalry,
conveniently screened by some low hills, he stationed at the mouth of
the defile, so that when the Romans had entered it they would be
completely shut in by the cavalry, the lake, and the hills. Flaminius
had reached the lake at sunset. The next morning, in a still
uncertain light, he passed through the defile, without sending any
scouts on to feel the way, and when the column began to deploy in the
wider extent of level ground the only enemy they saw was the one in
front, the rest were concealed in their rear and above their heads.
When the Carthaginian saw his object achieved and had his enemy shut
in between the lake and the hills with his forces surrounding them,
he gave the signal for all to make a simultaneous attack, and they
charged straight down upon the point nearest to them. The affair was
all the more sudden and unexpected to the Romans because a fog which
had risen from the lake was more dense on the plain than on the
heights; the bodies of the enemy on the various hills could see each
other well enough, and it was all the easier for them to charge all
at the same time. The shout of battle rose round the Romans before
they could see clearly from whence it came, or became aware that they
were surrounded. Fighting began in front and flank before they could
form line or get their weapons ready or draw their swords.

"For almost three hours the fighting went on; everywhere a desperate
struggle was kept up, but it raged with greater fierceness round the
consul. He was followed by the pick of his army, and wherever he saw
his men hard pressed and in difficulties he at once went to their
help. Distinguished by his armour he was the object of the enemy's
fiercest attacks, which his comrades did their utmost to repel, until
an Insubrian horseman who knew the consul by sight-his name was
Ducarius-cried out to his countrymen, "Here is the man who slew our
legions and laid waste our city and our lands! I will offer him in
sacrifice to the shades of my foully murdered countrymen." Digging
spurs into his horse he charged into the dense masses of the enemy,
and slew an armour-bearer who threw himself in the way as he galloped
up lance in rest, and then plunged his lance into the consul; but the
triarii protected the body with their shields and prevented him from
despoiling it. Then began a general flight, neither lake nor mountain
stopped the panic-stricken fugitives, they rushed like blind men over
cliff and defile, men and arms tumbled pell-mell on one another. A
large number, finding no avenue of escape, went into the water up to
their shoulders; some in their wild terror even attempted to escape
by swimming, an endless and hopeless task in that lake. Either their
spirits gave way and they were drowned, or else finding their efforts
fruitless, they regained with great difficulty the shallow water at
the edge of the lake and were butchered in all directions by the
enemy's cavalry who had ridden into the water. About 6000 men who had
formed the head of the line of march cut their way through the enemy
and cleared the defile, quite unconscious of all that had been going
on behind them. They halted on some rising ground, and listened to
the shouting below and the clash of arms, but were unable, owing to
the fog, to see or find out what the fortunes of the fight were. At
last, when the battle was over and the sun's heat had dispelled the
fog, mountain and plain revealed in the clear light the disastrous
overthrow of the Roman army and showed only too plainly that all was
lost.

"This was the famous battle at Trasumennus, and a disaster for Rome
memorable as few others have been. Fifteen thousand Romans were
killed in action; 1000 fugitives were scattered all over Etruria and
reached the City by divers routes; 2500 of the enemy perished on the
field, many in both armies afterwards of their wounds." ~ Titus
Livius 22.4;6;7


AUC 585 / 168 BCE: on the Eve of the Battle of Pydna

"After the completion of the camp''s fortifications, Gaius Sulpicius
Gallus, a military tribune of the second legion, who had been praetor
the year before, called the troops to an assembly, with the consul's
permission, and gave it out that no one should take it as a bad omen
that on the next night an eclipse of the moon would occur from the
second to the fourth hour of the night. This phenomenom, he said,
happened at fixed times in the order of Nature; and therefore it
could be foreknown and foretold. And so, just as they were not
surprised at the fact that the moon sometimes shone with its full
orb, sometimes, at its wane, with a narrow crescent – since the
risings and settings of the moon and the sun are regular occurrences –
they should not take it for a prodigy that the moon is obscured when
it is hidden by the earth's shadow. On the night before 21 June
[actually 4 September], when the moon was eclipsed at the time
stated, the wisdom of Gaius seemed to the Roman soldiers almost
godlike. The Macedonians took the eclipse as a baleful portent,
signifying the downfall of the monarchy and the nation: no soothsayer
could persuade them otherwise; and there was shouting and wailing in
the Macedonian camp until the moon emerged to give its accustomed
light". ~ Titus Livius 44.37.5-9


Our thought for today is from Titus Livius 30. 30.7:

"To take hold, rather than allow the opportunity to slip away, is how
to solve a problem."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56758 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Salve care Amice

I pray my Lares shall join with yours in guiding Michael on his
journey to the Blessed Isles. Among my family Lares are also
D'Orazio's from Mass. on my paternal side. So I shall especially
join with you in remembrance of Michael.

Cura ut valeas
Piscinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stefn Ullerius Venator
Piperbarbus" <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
>
> Valetudo;
>
> I have been distracted lately due to health troubles not my own.
>
> At 8:05 PM EDT last night my uncle, Michael Peter D'Orazio set foot
> upon the Helroad. He went peacefully and at peace according to my
> mom, in the company of Kin and Kith at a hospice.
>
> He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer 3 1/2 weeks ago. The
doctors
> said it was one of the most aggressive tumors they'd ever seen. His
> condition was aggravated by congenital liver and heart troubles.
>
> His journey on Midgard started on 25 February 1953, as the youngest
> child of Antonio and Margherita D'Orazio, born 6 years after his
next
> oldest sib.
>
> He was a 3 year old ringbearer at my mom's wedding and a 4 year old
> uncle at my christening.
>
> As we grew up (from 1957 - 1975), he was my older brother: showing
me
> how to be a boy, protecting me from bullies, telling me "no" when I
> went astray, making sure his friends looked after me, too, wishing
me
> well as I went away to college, being "buttons-bursting" proud when
I
> married in 1982...showing me my first "Playboy."
>
> He's had a rough journey the past several years, but made it from
> Jacksonville, FL (where he lived) back to W Springfield, MA for my
> parents' 50th in 2006 and for my 25th last year.
>
> We did not speak often, but it was always like we picked up a thread
> we dropped just a few minutes ago. I did speak to him last week
while
> he was still strong ehough to have a short conversation.
>
> He was openhanded to a fault, gentle of heart, cheerful in
nature...I
> think he did his best to live a worthy and worthwhile life.
>
> I will miss him desperately.
>
> --
> =========================================
> In amicitia quod fides -
> Venator
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56759 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Salve:

Very sorry to hear about your loss. 

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

Valetudo;

I have been distracted lately due to health troubles not my own.

At 8:05 PM EDT last night my uncle, Michael Peter D'Orazio set foot
upon the Helroad. He went peacefully and at peace according to my
mom, in the company of Kin and Kith at a hospice.

He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer 3 1/2 weeks ago. The doctors
said it was one of the most aggressive tumors they'd ever seen. His
condition was aggravated by congenital liver and heart troubles.

His journey on Midgard started on 25 February 1953, as the youngest
child of Antonio and Margherita D'Orazio, born 6 years after his next
oldest sib.

He was a 3 year old ringbearer at my mom's wedding and a 4 year old
uncle at my christening.

As we grew up (from 1957 - 1975), he was my older brother: showing me
how to be a boy, protecting me from bullies, telling me "no" when I
went astray, making sure his friends looked after me, too, wishing me
well as I went away to college, being "buttons-bursting" proud when I
married in 1982...showing me my first "Playboy."

He's had a rough journey the past several years, but made it from
Jacksonville, FL (where he lived) back to W Springfield, MA for my
parents' 50th in 2006 and for my 25th last year.

We did not speak often, but it was always like we picked up a thread
we dropped just a few minutes ago. I did speak to him last week while
he was still strong ehough to have a short conversation.

He was openhanded to a fault, gentle of heart, cheerful in nature...I
think he did his best to live a worthy and worthwhile life.

I will miss him desperately.

--
=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Venator




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56760 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Lentulus, my friend not yet met,

On 6/21/08, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus wrote:
>
> Cn. Lentulus St, Ullerio Venatori Piperbarbo SD
>
> You see the Nova Romans share in your mourning!
>
> Peace.
>
> One day you will meet him again!
>
> Es consolatus!
>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
> Sacerdos Concordiae
>

Thank you for your words.

I do believe that I will see him again someday, in the Halls of my
Ancestors. He will be young, strong and in the same good humor I will
well remember him for...

Ever in hope - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56761 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Bona Fortuna;

On 6/21/08, marcushoratius wrote:
>
> Salve care Amice
>
> I pray my Lares shall join with yours in guiding Michael on his
> journey to the Blessed Isles. Among my family Lares are also
> D'Orazio's from Mass. on my paternal side. So I shall especially
> join with you in remembrance of Michael.
>
> Cura ut valeas
> Piscinus
>

My gratitude for your condolences and the smile raised at a
possibility of having found a cousin, however distant.

I can imagine Nonnie D'Orazio being sad at seeing her baby so soon,
but balanced by his happiness at being with his mother again. Papa D
has always thought of himself as Il Duce (and still does), but Nonnie
was always Mater Familia, which was always more important.

She thought I was the best cook in my generation of our family.

I'll write off list with my family info, maybe there is a connection?

===========================
In amicitia quod fides -
Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56762 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Salve Modianus;

On 6/21/08, David Kling (Modianus) wrote:
>
> Salve:
>
> Very sorry to hear about your loss.
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>

Thank you.

Uncle Michael is mourned, but will always be remembered with the same
fondness I had for him in life.

==========================
In amicitia quod fides -
Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56763 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Salve Venator!
 
your uncle is gone, but he'll be always remembered. And remember the words of John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life". Your uncle surely had a great life and I'm sure he'll be happy at god's side!
 
Vale,
 
Lusitanus SPD. 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael

Salve Modianus;

On 6/21/08, David Kling (Modianus) wrote:
>
> Salve:
>
> Very sorry to hear about your loss.
>
> Vale;
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>

Thank you.

Uncle Michael is mourned, but will always be remembered with the same
fondness I had for him in life.

============ ========= =====
In amicitia quod fides -
Venator



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56764 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: If Senators Obama and McCain lived in the Roman Empire
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Omnibus S.P.D.

  I wouldn't normally forward a link like this, but I thought you would all like it. It's a cartoon I saw printed in my local alternative newsweekly. I laughed quite heartily.

http://www.gocomics.com/tedrall/2008/06/14/

Valete omnes!

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56765 From: Clovius Ullerius Ursus Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: [SPAM][Nova-Roma] OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael

My Brother know that our hearts are heavy and we send our prayers to the gods to speed your uncle to his reward in Valhalla.  It has been to long since we have spoken or gotten together and we need to do so soon.

 

 

Clovius

 

From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:55 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM][Nova-Roma] OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael

 

Valetudo;

I have been distracted lately due to health troubles not my own.

At 8:05 PM EDT last night my uncle, Michael Peter D'Orazio set foot
upon the Helroad. He went peacefully and at peace according to my
mom, in the company of Kin and Kith at a hospice.

He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer 3 1/2 weeks ago. The doctors
said it was one of the most aggressive tumors they'd ever seen. His
condition was aggravated by congenital liver and heart troubles.

His journey on Midgard started on 25 February 1953, as the youngest
child of Antonio and Margherita D'Orazio, born 6 years after his next
oldest sib.

He was a 3 year old ringbearer at my mom's wedding and a 4 year old
uncle at my christening.

As we grew up (from 1957 - 1975), he was my older brother: showing me
how to be a boy, protecting me from bullies, telling me "no" when I
went astray, making sure his friends looked after me, too, wishing me
well as I went away to college, being "buttons-bursting" proud when I
married in 1982...showing me my first "Playboy."

He's had a rough journey the past several years, but made it from
Jacksonville, FL (where he lived) back to W Springfield, MA for my
parents' 50th in 2006 and for my 25th last year.

We did not speak often, but it was always like we picked up a thread
we dropped just a few minutes ago. I did speak to him last week while
he was still strong ehough to have a short conversation.

He was openhanded to a fault, gentle of heart, cheerful in nature...I
think he did his best to live a worthy and worthwhile life.

I will miss him desperately.

--
=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Venator

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56766 From: glad2broman Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Stables and small bells
Salvete omnes,

I'm trying to track down reliable sources of info on the following, and
hope someone may be able to help.

1. Public stables in ancient Rome.

2. Possible uses for small bronze bells, about 3cms in height.

Many thanks in anticipation!

Optime valete,

Placidia

Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
(Spiro spero et spero meliora)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56767 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael

Salve Venatori amice,

 

Please accept my sincere condolences.

I share your grief.

 

Optime vale,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
ACCENSVS•CONSVLVM•T• IVLII•SABINI•ET•M•MORAVII•PISCINI
SCRIBA•CENSORIS•K•F•B•M
INTERPRETER
MVSÆVS•COLLEGII•ERATOVS•SODALITATIS•MVSARVM
SOCIVS•CHORI•MVSARVM


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56768 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Salve Venator!
 
Here are the lyrics of a music to comfort you on the death of your uncle:
 
IF EVERYONE CARED - Nickelback:
 
From underneath the trees, we watch the sky,
Confusing stars with satellites,
I never dreamed that you'd be mine,
But here we are, we're here tonight.
 
Singing, amen ... I'm alive
Singing, amen ... I'm alive
 
[Chorus:]
 
If everyone cared and nobody cried,
If everyone loved and nobody lied,
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride,
we'd see the day when nobody died.
 
I'm singin' amen
 
Amen, I ... Amen, I ... I'm alive,
Amen, I ... Amen, I ... Amen, I ... I'm alive.
 
And in the air, the fire flies,
Our only light in paradise,
We'll show the world they were wrong,
And teach tem all to sing along.
 
Singing, amen ... I'm alive
Singing, amen ... I'm alive
 
[Chorus x2]
 
And as we lie beneath the stars,
We realize how small we are,
If they could love like you and me,
Imagine what the world could be.
 
[Chorus x2]
 
We'd see the day, We'll see the day,
When nobody die,
We'd see the day, We'll see the day,
When nobody die,
We'd see the day when nobody die.
 
There you are, I hope you feel better reading these lyrics or hearing the music.
 
Vale,
 
Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:55 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael

Valetudo;

I have been distracted lately due to health troubles not my own.

At 8:05 PM EDT last night my uncle, Michael Peter D'Orazio set foot
upon the Helroad. He went peacefully and at peace according to my
mom, in the company of Kin and Kith at a hospice.

He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer 3 1/2 weeks ago. The doctors
said it was one of the most aggressive tumors they'd ever seen. His
condition was aggravated by congenital liver and heart troubles.

His journey on Midgard started on 25 February 1953, as the youngest
child of Antonio and Margherita D'Orazio, born 6 years after his next
oldest sib.

He was a 3 year old ringbearer at my mom's wedding and a 4 year old
uncle at my christening.

As we grew up (from 1957 - 1975), he was my older brother: showing me
how to be a boy, protecting me from bullies, telling me "no" when I
went astray, making sure his friends looked after me, too, wishing me
well as I went away to college, being "buttons-bursting" proud when I
married in 1982...showing me my first "Playboy."

He's had a rough journey the past several years, but made it from
Jacksonville, FL (where he lived) back to W Springfield, MA for my
parents' 50th in 2006 and for my 25th last year.

We did not speak often, but it was always like we picked up a thread
we dropped just a few minutes ago. I did speak to him last week while
he was still strong ehough to have a short conversation.

He was openhanded to a fault, gentle of heart, cheerful in nature...I
think he did his best to live a worthy and worthwhile life.

I will miss him desperately.

--
============ ========= ========= ========= ==
In amicitia quod fides -
Venator



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56769 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: If Senators Obama and McCain lived in the Roman Empire
Salve,
 
LOL :-)  I wish that Hillary and Michelle could have been in it somewhere. I'll have to post it on our Forum tonight.
 
Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus
Curator SVR

 
On 6/21/08, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Omnibus S.P.D.

  I wouldn't normally forward a link like this, but I thought you would all like it. It's a cartoon I saw printed in my local alternative newsweekly. I laughed quite heartily.

http://www.gocomics.com/tedrall/2008/06/14/

Valete omnes!

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com

 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56770 From: Maior Date: 2008-06-21
Subject: Re: If Senators Obama and McCain lived in the Roman Empire
Salvete;
that was funny;-) Hmm, Hillary is Zenobia and Michelle - Fulvia.
valete
Maior
>
> Salve,
>
> LOL :-) I wish that Hillary and Michelle could have been in it
somewhere.
> I'll have to post it on our Forum tonight.
>
> Vale,
> Quintus Servilius Priscus
> Curator SVR
>
>
> On 6/21/08, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:
> >
> > Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Omnibus S.P.D.
> >
> > I wouldn't normally forward a link like this, but I thought
you would all
> > like it. It's a cartoon I saw printed in my local alternative
newsweekly. I
> > laughed quite heartily.
> >
> > http://www.gocomics.com/tedrall/2008/06/14/
> >
> > Valete omnes!
> >
> > --
> > Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> > Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
> > http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56771 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-22
Subject: a, d, X Kalendas Quintilias: Battles of Raphia and Pydna
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos servavissent semper.

Hodie est ante diem X Kalendas Quintilias; haec dies comitialis est:

AUC 536 / 217 BCE: Battle of Raphia

On the day following Rome's defeat at Lake Transimene perhaps the
largest battle in ancient history was fought at Raphia. Our main
source on the battle is Polybius (5.63-65; 5.79-86). This was the
deciding battle of the Fourth Syrian War between the Seleucids under
Anthiocus III and an Egyptian army under Ptolemy IV. Anthiochus had
been marching through the Levant seizing one Ptolemaic stronghold
after another. Ptolemy bided his time for nearly two years as he
raised an army to meet the Seleucids. Polybius places the Ptolemaic
army at 50,000 infantry composed of 8,000 Greek mercenaries, 25,000
phalangites, 6,000 Gauls and Thracians, 3,000 Cretans, 3,000 Libyan
pikemen, 3,000 royal guards, and some 2,000 lightly armed peltists.
Another 20,000 Egyptians had been trained by Sosibius in the heavy
infantry tactics of the Greek hoplites. Ptolemy also brought 5,000
cavalry and 73 elephants. Antiochus III had an army of 62,000
infantry, 6,000 cavalry, and 102 Indian elephants. His infantry
included 20,000 regular phalangites and 10,000 argyraspides armed
with the longer, two-handed pike (sarissa). In addition there were
5,000 Greek mercenaries, 2,500 Cretans, 1,000 Thracians, and 23,500
Asiatics of different composition and readiness.

As Ptolemy began to move his army out of Egypt, Antiochus rushed
towards Gaza. Bound by the desert to his left, and by coastal sand
dunes on his right, Anthiochus was channelled through a broad flat
plane 5.6 km wide. The armies then met one another just south of
Raphia, and then they camped for five days within 900 meters of each
other before forming battle lines. The battle began with each army
advancing their cavalry on their respective right wings. Anthiochus
led his cavalry in a charge that swept Ptolemy's left wing from the
battlefield. Then in his eagerness, Antiochus continued in pursuit
while the real battle had not yet begun. On the Egyptian right
Ptolemy likewise led a cavalry charge that initially had some
success. But when checked, Ptolemy extracted his cavalry in order to
cover his flanks. The main engagement came with the phalanxes at the
center. Ptolemy's phalanxes outnumbered those of the Syrian
phalanxes, and apparently they were better trained as well. The
Syrian phalangites bolted after the first charge, and they were soon
followed by what were suppose to be Antiochus' elite infantry. These
were the Silver Shields that had evolved from Philip of Macedonia's
guard infantry (hypsaspists). With Antiochus away from the center of
fighting, and his phalanxes defeated at the center, his army
collapsed. In the engagements on the flanks Ptolemy lost 700 cavalry
to Antiochus' loss of only 300. But in the center Antiochus lost
14,000 infantry, killed, wounded, or captured. Ptolemy's infantry
suffered only 1,500 men lost. Antiochus returned to his capital and
a truce was agreed upon. In the war Antiochus regained Antioch on
the Orontes, which had been lost to the Ptolemies during the Third
Syrian War. Ptolemy IV regained Coele-Syria or what is today
Palestine, Israel, and Lebanon.


AUC 585 / 168 CE: L. Aemilius Paulus brings the Third Macedonian War
to an end with his defeat of Perseus at the Battle of Pydna,

"Against the intention of both commanders Fortune, who overrides the
plans of men, brought about a conflict. There was a river, not a
large one, near the enemy's camp from which both the Romans and the
Macedonians drew their water, protected by detachments stationed on
either bank. On the Roman side were two cohorts, Marrucinians and
Paelignians, and two squadrons of Samnite horse under the command of
M. Sergius Silus. Another body was stationed in front of the camp
under C. Cluvius; these consisted of Firman, Vestinian and Cremensian
troops, and two squadrons of cavalry from Placentia and Aeserna.
Whilst all was quiet at the river, neither side offering any
provocation, a mule broke loose about three o'clock in the afternoon
from the men in charge and escaped to the opposite bank. Three
soldiers went after it through the water, which was up to their
knees. Two Thracians were dragging the beast out of the river back to
their own bank, when they were followed by some Romans, who killed
one of them, recaptured the mule, and went back to their posts. There
were 800 Thracians guarding the enemy's bank. A few of these, enraged
at seeing a comrade killed before their eyes, ran across the river in
pursuit of those who slew him; then more joined in and at last the
whole force, and fought with the Roman guards on the bank . . .
[Perseus then brought forward his entire phalanx formation, according
to Plutarch, and Aemilius brought the Roman battle line to meet the
Macedonians.]

"The Consul led the first legion into battle. His men were deeply
impressed by reverence for his authority, the reputation he had
acquired, and, above all, his age, for though more than sixty years
old, he took upon himself to a large extent the duties and dangers
which are usually the lot of younger men. The interval between
the "caetrati" and the divisions of the phalanx was filled up by the
legion, and thus the enemy's line was interrupted. The "caetrati"
were in their rear; the legion were fronting the shieldmen of the
phalanx, who were known as the "chalcaspides." L. Albinus, an ex-
consul, was ordered to lead the second legion against the phalanx
of "leucaspides"; these formed the centre of the enemy's line. On the
Roman right, where the battle had begun, close to the river, he
brought up the elephants and the cohorts of allied troops. It was
here that the Macedonians first gave ground. For just as most new
devices amongst men seem valuable as far as words go, but when they
are put to a practical test and have to be acted upon they fail to
produce results, so it was with the elephants; those of the
Macedonians were of no use whatever. The contingents of the Latin
allies followed up the charge of the elephants and repulsed the left
wing. The second legion which had been sent against the centre broke
up the phalanx. The most probable explanation of the victory is that
several separate engagements were going on all over the field, which
first shook the phalanx out of its formation and then broke it up. As
long as it was compact, its front bristling with levelled spears, its
strength was irresistible. If by attacking them at various points you
compel them to bring round their spears, which owing to their length
and weight are cumbersome and unwieldy, they become a confused and
involved mass, but if any sudden and tumultuous attack is made on
their flank or rear, they go to pieces like a falling house. In this
way they were forced to meet the repeated charges of small bodies of
Roman troops with their front dislocated in many places, and wherever
there were gaps the Romans worked their way amongst their ranks. If
the whole line had made a general charge against the phalanx while
still unbroken, as the Paeligni did at the beginning of the action
against the "caetrati," they would have spitted themselves upon their
spears and have been powerless against their massed attack.

"The infantry were being slaughtered all over the field; only those
who threw away their arms were able to make good their escape. The
cavalry, on the other hand, quitted the field with hardly any loss,
the king himself being the first to flee. He was already on his way
to Pella with his "sacred" cavalry, and Cotys and the Odrysaeans were
following at his heels. The rest of the Macedonian horse also got
away with their ranks unbroken, because the infantry were between
them and the enemy, and the latter were so fully occupied in
massacring the infantry that they forgot to pursue the cavalry. For a
long time the slaughter of the phalanx went on in front, flank and
rear. At last those who had escaped out of the hands of the enemy
threw away their arms and fled to the shore; some even went into the
water and, stretching out their hands in supplication to the men in
the fleet, implored them to save their lives. When they saw boats
from all the ships rowing to the place where they were they thought
that they were coming to take them up as prisoners rather than slay
them, and they waded further into the water, some even swimming. But
when they found that they were being killed by the men in the boats,
those who could swim back to land met with a more wretched fate, for
the elephants, forced by their drivers to the water's edge, trampled
on them and crushed them to death as they came out. It is universally
admitted that never had so many Macedonians been killed by the Romans
in a single battle. As many as 20,000 men perished; 6000 who had fled
to Pydna fell into the enemy's hands, and 5000 were made prisoners in
their flight. Of the victors not more than 100 fell, and of these the
majority were Paelignians; the wounded were much more numerous. If
the battle had begun earlier and there had been sufficient daylight
for the victors to continue the pursuit, the whole force would have
been wiped out. As it was, the approach of night shielded the
fugitives and made the Romans wary of following them over unknown
country." ~ Titus Livius 44.40-42


AUC 862/ 109 CE: Opening of the Baths of Trajan.

The Thermae Traiani was built by architect Apollodorus for Emperor
Traianus and were initially used exclusively by women. It was located
immediately to the northeast of the Thermae Titi. The entrance was
from the north façade, where the entrance for the Thermae Titi, for
men, was on its south side. In order, from north to south, were
arranged the frigidarium, central hall, tepidarium, and caldarium in
the central portion of the building. On the east, south, and western
sides reading rooms and a gymnasium were held within the peribolus,
and exedra were placed at the corners.


Our thought for today is from Sextus 53:

"Treat all men in such a way, as if, after God, you are the common
curator of all things."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56772 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-06-22
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael
Salve Venator,
I join the choir of condolescences and thank you for sharing with us
these personal details.
Vale,
Livia

>
> Valetudo;
>
> I have been distracted lately due to health troubles not my own.
>
> At 8:05 PM EDT last night my uncle, Michael Peter D'Orazio set foot
> upon the Helroad. He went peacefully and at peace according to my
> mom, in the company of Kin and Kith at a hospice.
>
> He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer 3 1/2 weeks ago. The
doctors
> said it was one of the most aggressive tumors they'd ever seen. His
> condition was aggravated by congenital liver and heart troubles.
>
> His journey on Midgard started on 25 February 1953, as the youngest
> child of Antonio and Margherita D'Orazio, born 6 years after his
next
> oldest sib.
>
> He was a 3 year old ringbearer at my mom's wedding and a 4 year old
> uncle at my christening.
>
> As we grew up (from 1957 - 1975), he was my older brother: showing
me
> how to be a boy, protecting me from bullies, telling me "no" when I
> went astray, making sure his friends looked after me, too, wishing
me
> well as I went away to college, being "buttons-bursting" proud when
I
> married in 1982...showing me my first "Playboy."
>
> He's had a rough journey the past several years, but made it from
> Jacksonville, FL (where he lived) back to W Springfield, MA for my
> parents' 50th in 2006 and for my 25th last year.
>
> We did not speak often, but it was always like we picked up a thread
> we dropped just a few minutes ago. I did speak to him last week
while
> he was still strong ehough to have a short conversation.
>
> He was openhanded to a fault, gentle of heart, cheerful in
nature...I
> think he did his best to live a worthy and worthwhile life.
>
> I will miss him desperately.
>
> --
> =========================================
> In amicitia quod fides -
> Venator
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56773 From: sandy Date: 2008-06-22
Subject: Re: Pompeius Quartus
Hello,
 
Many thanks for your help.
 
In regards to your question about Christian Settipani. He has written several books, and is reasonably well respected. I have provided a link via Wikipedia for ease of reference (i do not use Wikipedia as a reference source) as i think it explains the 'descent from antiquity' well, and it also mentions Settipani.
 
Quote: "Innumerable alternative routes of descent from antiquity have been posited. One of the most interesting proposals is to establish Charlemagne's descent from one of the senatorial families of the later-day Imperial Rome based in southern Gaul. While such a link probably existed, extant sources do not permit to reconstruct it with any degree of certainty. The record of senatorial families in the 5th and 6th centuries is very sparse. The genealogical evidence on the Dark Ages of European history is so desultory that we cannot yet even reconstruct a firm blood link between the Carolingians and the preceding Merovngian dynasty, although there are some very plausible proposals widely accepted as true. Moreover, while a large amount of data exists with which to construct a prosopography of the leading provincial families of Imperial Rome in southern Gaul, it is not yet possible to establish a Gallic line that traverses the Imperial Age, though a Roman line through a Gallic one had been proposed in 1991 by Settipani. Therefore, all reconstructions of the DFA through Western European monarchs must remain precarious at best and absolutely speculative at worst. Again, the most authoritative published research on these topics is by Settipani. Though two possible lines are proposed for the ancestry of Arnulf of Metz both are linked to the ancestors who are in turn reputedly linked to the Gallo-Roman genealogies. See Desent of Elizabeth II from the Romans for one of these, which proposes a descent from the proconsul Flavius Africanus Syragius"
 
I have underlined my particular interest.
 
Settipani has published extensively on these ideas. A review of one of these works is found here: http://www.nltaylor.net/pdfs/a_Continuite.pdf.
 
Many thanks for your thoughts on the 'roman' name i mentioned ...
 
In answer to your other question - i prefer to be a visitor here just for now. I am qualified in archaeology, and have excavated on Roman sites, but i am not an expert in Roman history. I am hoping you guys are the experts : ) and i can learn from you. I ma also learning Latin (as part of a Medieval Masters degree course) but again, i am no expert!
 
SAH
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Nova-Roma] Pompeius Quartus

Salve SAH,

bergeredearcadie <bergeredearcadie@ btinternet. com> writes:

> Hello i am new to the Group.

Welcome to Nova Roma. Are you interested in obtaining citizenship?
Or do you prefer to be among us as a visitor for now?

> I am very interested in Roman families and descent, especially the work
> of Septiani.

I'm not familiar with that work. Could you provide a more complete title?

> I am researching the following, and i wondered if anyone here would be
> kind enough to help.
>
> The name is: Pompeius Quartus.
>
> Is this a real name?

It's part of one. Pompeius is a well known Roman nomen genticulum.
Quartus could be some sort of cognomen, though I don't know that I've
ever seen it used that way. What's missing is any sort of praenomen.

Roman names were, classically, trianomina or three part names. They
consisted of a praenomen, nomen, and cognomen. In historic accounts
the praenomen was often not mentioned, as in the case of G. Iulius
Caesar, who is often mentioned in the literature simply as "Julius
Caesar."

> Does it make sense? If it isnt, how can i
> interpret the words?

I'm not sure what you mean by 'interpret' here. It's a portion of a
proper name.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56774 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-06-22
Subject: Re: Pompeius Quartus
Salve Sandy,

Welcome back. Thanks for the explanatory material.

sandy <bergeredearcadie@...> writes:

[Christian Settipani stuff snipped]

> I have underlined my particular interest.

I'm afraid the underlining got lost in Yahoo's restrictions on
formating. But I get the sense you're interested in possible Roman
ancestors of Charlamagne and Elizabeth II of England.

It's entirely possible they both had Roman ancestors. Also, as the
text you cited says, it's all but impossible to prove it. What may be
more important in terms of how they behaved as heads of state is
whether or not they believed it.

> Many thanks for your thoughts on the 'roman' name i mentioned ...

You're welcome. We have a small but very good onamastic group in Nova
Roma that advises the censors office on proper Roman names. I simply
referred to things I'd learned from them when I was censor.

> In answer to your other question - i prefer to be a visitor here
> just for now.

That's fine. Be welcome.

> I am qualified in archaeology, and have excavated on Roman sites,
> but i am not an expert in Roman history. I am hoping you guys are
> the experts : )

You may be disappointed. Most of us are enthusiastic amateurs with
varying amounts of formal education in Latin, Roman history, and
similar things. What you'll find here is the level of knowledge you'd
find in a good reenactment group. Very few of us are published experts.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56775 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-06-22
Subject: Latin Query
Salve,

Has anybody got any idea what "Libertarian" or the equivalent would be in Latin?  Or what faction would a Libertarian belong to in Ancient Rome?

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus
"A Roman Libertarian"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56776 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-06-23
Subject: Battles of Raphia - Hypaspists
In a message dated 6/22/2008 3:23:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mhoratius@... writes:
The main engagement came with the phalanxes at the
center. Ptolemy's phalanxes outnumbered those of the Syrian
phalanxes, and apparently they were better trained as well. The
Syrian phalangites bolted after the first charge, and they were soon
followed by what were suppose to be Antiochus' elite infantry. These
were the Silver Shields that had evolved from Philip of Macedonia's
guard infantry (hypsaspists)
 
Nonsense.  The hypaspists correct spelling which translates to large shield bearers, were soldiers directly descended from the mercenary hoplites that guarded the Macedonian kings.  They reached their apex under Alexanderos II (Alex the Great was III) numbered 3,000 strong.  The hypaspists under Philipos II and Alexanderos III were organized into three chilarchiai, each chiliarchia being 1000 men.  This was in direct contrast with the pezetairoi who were organized in taxeis of 1500,and each called by the territorially name the phalange came from.
 
Plutarch in Life of Eumenes tells us that the hypaspists now called argyraspides  (silver shields) after their bronze shields wore out during the India campaign, took part in Eumenes' campaigns against Antigonos in the wars of Alexander's successors until Gabiene in Media  (316 BC). 
There, after the battle that Eumenes won easily, the agyraspides discovered that Antigonos' troops had seized their camp and had their wives and pay under his control.  In order to secure the return their property, they mutinied, seized Eumenes, and turned him over to Antigonos who killed him at once.  The agyraspides Antigonos broke up, scattering them among his various units.  Thus ended the famous unit.  
 
When Seleucus formed the Seleucid Kingdom after the defeat of Lysimachos 281 BC he reformed his army to include famous Macedonian unit names like the agryaspides.  But these were no relation, the last of the original hypaspists would be over 100 years old!  The fact that this Phalanx did so poorly in the battles was that this was nothing more then a ordinary phalanx composed of Macedonian and Greek settlers from Syria and Anatolia.     
 
Be careful when posting information on the web.  Much in-correct info gets into circulation this way.
 
Q. Fabius Maximus
               
 




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56777 From: Maior Date: 2008-06-23
Subject: Re: Pompeius Quartus
Salve Sandy;
I was just at the library today doing onomastic research with
another person, and picking up a volume dedicated to Cispaline Gaul
saw the cognomen 'Quartus'. So yes it is testified, but that's all I
have for you.
optime vale
Maior
>
> Salve Sandy,
>
> Welcome back. Thanks for the explanatory material.
>
> sandy <bergeredearcadie@...> writes:
>
> [Christian Settipani stuff snipped]
>
> > I have underlined my particular interest.
>
> I'm afraid the underlining got lost in Yahoo's restrictions on
> formating. But I get the sense you're interested in possible
Roman
> ancestors of Charlamagne and Elizabeth II of England.
>
> It's entirely possible they both had Roman ancestors. Also, as
the
> text you cited says, it's all but impossible to prove it. What
may be
> more important in terms of how they behaved as heads of state is
> whether or not they believed it.
>
> > Many thanks for your thoughts on the 'roman' name i mentioned ...
>
> You're welcome. We have a small but very good onamastic group in
Nova
> Roma that advises the censors office on proper Roman names. I
simply
> referred to things I'd learned from them when I was censor.
>
> > In answer to your other question - i prefer to be a visitor
here
> > just for now.
>
> That's fine. Be welcome.
>
> > I am qualified in archaeology, and have excavated on Roman
sites,
> > but i am not an expert in Roman history. I am hoping you guys
are
> > the experts : )
>
> You may be disappointed. Most of us are enthusiastic amateurs
with
> varying amounts of formal education in Latin, Roman history, and
> similar things. What you'll find here is the level of knowledge
you'd
> find in a good reenactment group. Very few of us are published
experts.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56778 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-23
Subject: a. d. IX Kalendas Quintilias: Aftermath of Transimene and of Pydna
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus sumus.

Hodie est ante diem IX Kalendas Quintilias; haec dies comitialis est:


Plutarch, Roman Questions 2:

"Why in the marriage rites do they light five torches, neither more
nor less, which they call cereones? Is it, as Varro has stated, that
while the praetors use three, the aediles have a right to more, and
it is from the aediles that the wedding party light their torches?
Or is it because in their use of several numbers the odd number was
considered better and more perfect for various purposes and also
better adapted to marriage? For the even number admits division and
its equality of division suggests strife and opposition; the odd
number, however, cannot be divided into equal parts at all, but
whenever it is divided it always leaves behind a remainder of the
same nature as itself. Now, of the odd numbers, five is above all
the nuptial number; for three is the first odd number, and two is the
first even number, and five is composed of the union of these two, as
it were of male and female. Or is it rather that, since light is the
symbol of birth, and women in general are enabled by nature to bear,
at the most, five children at one birth, the wedding company makes
use of exactly that number of torches? Or is it because they think
that the nuptial pair has need of five deities? Zeus Teleios, Hera
Teleia, Aphrodite, Peitho, and finally Artemis, whom women in
childbirth and travail are wont to invoke?"

AUC 536 / 217 BCE: Religious ceremonies held in wake of the disaster
at Lake Transimene

"After these resolutions had been passed in the Senate the praetor
consulted the Collegium Pontificum as to the proper means of giving
effect to them, and L. Cornelius Lentulus, the Pontifex Maximus,
decided that the very first step to take was to refer to the people
the question of a Ver Sacrum (Sacred Spring), as this particular form
of vow could not be undertaken without the order of the people. The
form of procedure was as follows: 'Is it,' the praetor asked the
Assembly, 'your will and pleasure that all be done and performed in
manner following? That is to say, if the commonwealth of the Romans
and the Quirites be preserved, as I pray it may be, safe and sound
through these present wars - to wit, the war between Rome and
Carthage and the wars with the Gauls now dwelling on the hither side
of the Alps - then shall the Romans and Quirites present as an
offering whatever the spring shall produce from their flocks and
herds, whether it be from swine or sheep or goats or cattle, and all
that is not already devoted to any other deity shall be consecrated
to Jupiter from such time as the Senate and people shall order.
Whosoever shall make an offering let him do it at whatsoever time and
in whatsoever manner he will, and howsoever he offers it, it shall be
accounted to be duly offered. If the animal which should have been
sacrificed die, it shall be as though unconsecrated, there shall be
no sin. If any man shall hurt or slay a consecrated thing unwittingly
he shall not be held guilty. If a man shall have stolen any such
animal, the people shall not bear the guilt, nor he from whom it was
stolen. If a man offer his sacrifice unwittingly on a forbidden day,
it shall be accounted to be duly offered. Whether he do so by night
or day, whether he be slave or freeman, it shall be accounted to be
duly offered. If any sacrifice be offered before the Senate and
people have ordered that it shall be done, the people shall be free
and absolved from all guilt there from.' To the same end the Ludi
Romani were vowed at a cost of 333,333 1/3 ases, and in addition 300
oxen to Jupiter, and white oxen and the other customary victims to a
number of deities. When the vows had been duly pronounced a litany of
intercession was ordered, and not only the population of the City but
the people from the country districts, whose private interests were
being affected by the public distress, went in procession with their
wives and children. Then a lectisternium was held for three days
under the supervision of the Decemviri sacris faciundis. Six couches
were publicly exhibited; one for Jupiter and Juno, another for
Neptune and Minerva, a third for Mars and Venus, a fourth for Apollo
and Diana, a fifth for Vulcan and Vesta, and the sixth for Mercury
and Ceres. This was followed by the vowing of temples. Q. Fabius
Maximus, as Dictator, vowed the temple to Venus Erycina, because it
was laid down in the Sibylline Oracles that this vow should be made
by the man who possessed the supreme authority in the State. T.
Otacilius, the praetor, vowed the temple to Mens." ~ Titus Livius
22.10


AUC 585 / 168 BCE: After the Battle of Pydna

"Perseus fled to the Pierian forest, accompanied by his suite and a
numerous body of cavalry. When he had entered the forest at a point
where several roads diverged, as night was approaching he struck into
a side-path with a very small body of those most faithful to him. The
cavalry, left without a leader, dispersed to their various cities;
and a few reached Pella in advance of Perseus himself, having gone by
a straight road. Up to midnight the king had considerable trouble and
anxiety in trying to find his way. Eulacus and Euctus and the royal
pages were ready to meet the king in the gloomy palace, but of all
his friends who had lived through the battle and regained Pella, not
one came to him in spite of his repeated invitations. There were only
three who shared his flight, Euander of Crete, Neo a Boeotian, and
Archidamus the Aetolian. Fearing that those who refused to go to him
might soon venture upon a more serious step, he fled away at the
fourth watch, followed by certainly not more than 500 Cretans. He was
intending to go to Amphipolis, but he had left Pella in the night,
anxious to cross the Axius before daylight, as he thought the
difficulty of crossing that river might stop the Roman pursuit.

"The news of the battle had already been carried to Amphipolis, and
the matrons flocked to the temple of Diana Tauropolon to invoke her
aid.

"On his return to camp the consul's joy in his victory was damped by
his anxiety about his younger son. This was P. Scipio, who had been
adopted as grandson by Scipio Africanus, and himself received the
title of Africanus, from the destruction of Carthage in after years.
He was only seventeen at the time - a further cause for anxiety-and
while he was in full pursuit of the enemy, he was carried away by the
press into another part of the field. On his return late in the day
to the camp, his father, finding him safe and sound, could at last
feel unmixed joy in his great victory." ~ Titus Livius 44.43-44


Today's thought is from L. Annaeus Seneca, On Anger 3.36

"Sextius had this habit, and when the day was over and he had retired
to his nightly rest, he would put these questions to his soul: 'What
bad habit have you cured to- day? What fault have you resisted? In
what respect are you better?'"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56779 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-06-23
Subject: Re: OT: Venator's beloved uncle Michael

Crassus Venatori SPD,

 

Please accept my sincere condolences for your loss and my respect to the memory of your uncle/brother.

 

Vale optime bene,
 

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C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56780 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-23
Subject: Re: Battles of Raphia - Hypaspists
Salve Maximi

And they were revived, after a fashion, by Antiochus:

Polybius 5.79.3-13:

"3. Antiochus, on learning of his advance, concentrated his forces.
These consisted first of Daae, Carmanians, and Cilicians, light-armed
troops about five thousand in number organized and commanded by
Byttacus the Macedonian. 4 Under Theodotus the Aetolian, who had
played the traitor to Ptolemy, was a force of ten thousand selected
from every part of the kingdom and armed in the Macedonian manner,
most of them with silver shields. 5 The phalanx was about twenty
thousand strong and was under the command of Nicarchus and Theodotus
surnamed Hemiolius. 6 There were Agrianian and Persian bowmen and
slingers to the number of two thousand, and with them two thousand
Thracians, all under the command of Menedemus of Alabanda. 7
Aspasianus the Mede had under him a force of about five thousand
Medes, Cissians, Cadusians, and Carmanians. 8 The Arabs and
neighbouring tribes numbered about ten thousand and were commanded by
Zabdibelus. 9 Hippolochus the Thessalian commanded the mercenaries
from Greece, five thousand in number. 10 Antiochus had also fifteen
hundred Cretans under Eurylochus and a thousand Neocretans under
Zelys of Gortyna. 11 With these were five hundred Lydian javelineers
and a thousand Cardaces under Lysimachus the Gaul. 12 The cavalry
numbered six thousand in all, four thousand of them being commanded
by Antipater the king's nephew and the rest by Themison. 13 The whole
army of Antiochus consisted of sixty-two thousand foot, six thousand
horse, and a hundred and two elephants."

If you wish an explanation on Anthiochus' Silver Shields, I suggest
you write to Philip Sabin, Professor of Strategic Studies at King's
College, London.

vale



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/22/2008 3:23:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> mhoratius@... writes:
>
> The main engagement came with the phalanxes at the
> center. Ptolemy's phalanxes outnumbered those of the Syrian
> phalanxes, and apparently they were better trained as well. The
> Syrian phalangites bolted after the first charge, and they were
soon
> followed by what were suppose to be Antiochus' elite infantry.
These
> were the Silver Shields that had evolved from Philip of
Macedonia's
> guard infantry (hypsaspists)
>
> Nonsense. The hypaspists correct spelling which translates to
large shield
> bearers, were soldiers directly descended from the mercenary
hoplites that
> guarded the Macedonian kings. They reached their apex under
Alexanderos II
> (Alex the Great was III) numbered 3,000 strong. The hypaspists
under Philipos
> II and Alexanderos III were organized into three chilarchiai, each
chiliarchia
> being 1000 men. This was in direct contrast with the pezetairoi
who were
> organized in taxeis of 1500,and each called by the territorially
name the
> phalange came from.
>
> Plutarch in Life of Eumenes tells us that the hypaspists now
called
> argyraspides (silver shields) after their bronze shields wore out
during the India
> campaign, took part in Eumenes' campaigns against Antigonos in the
wars of
> Alexander's successors until Gabiene in Media (316 BC).
> There, after the battle that Eumenes won easily, the agyraspides
discovered
> that Antigonos' troops had seized their camp and had their wives
and pay
> under his control. In order to secure the return their property,
they mutinied,
> seized Eumenes, and turned him over to Antigonos who killed him at
once. The
> agyraspides Antigonos broke up, scattering them among his various
units.
> Thus ended the famous unit.
>
> When Seleucus formed the Seleucid Kingdom after the defeat of
Lysimachos 281
> BC he reformed his army to include famous Macedonian unit names
like the
> agryaspides. But these were no relation, the last of the original
hypaspists
> would be over 100 years old! The fact that this Phalanx did so
poorly in the
> battles was that this was nothing more then a ordinary phalanx
composed of
> Macedonian and Greek settlers from Syria and Anatolia.
>
> Be careful when posting information on the web. Much in-correct
info gets
> into circulation this way.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56781 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-24
Subject: a. d. VIII Kalendas Quintilias: Fortis Fortunae
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Bonam habete Fortunam.

Hodie est ante diem VIII Kalendas Quintilias; haec dies comitialis
est: Fortis Fortunae trans Tiberim ad milliarium primum et sextum

"When the ripe ears turn the crop to gold, add the garlic to the
onions and when you have sold all them sing and sing again the
praises of Fors Fortuna." ~ Columella De Re Rustica 10, 311

Ante Urbe Condita 17 / 772 BCE: The miraculous conception by Vestal
Virgin Rhea Silvia of Romulus and Remus (Varro, De Genti Populi
Romani Frag. 4).

Also on this day a sacrifice was offered to Hercules. Plutarch
perhaps gives us a clue as to the cause for this sacrifice as he
tells a story of another Larentia, not Acca Larentia who nursed
Romulus and Remus. The story was that the curator of the Temple of
Hercules wagered on a dice game with Hercules. Losing the game, the
priest had to provide Hercules with "a bounteous repast and a lovely
woman to keep Him company for the night." He engaged Larentia, "who
was then in the bloom of her beauty, but not yet famous" as a
courtesan. Hercules came, visiting her in the night, and afterward
told her to make a friend of the first man she met that day in the
Forum. It turned out that she came upon an elderly, wealthy bachelor
by the name of Tarrutius, whom she married. On his death Tarrutius
left Larentia a fortune in property, which she in turned bequeathed
to the People of Rome. Along the River Tiber was the Velabrum, that
was a ferry-point over the Tiber and the place where Larentia was
said to have disappeared into the Heavens (Plutarch, Life of Romulus
5). The story of Larentia's good fortune relates also to today's
main festival.


AUC 293 / 460 BCE; AUC 460 / 293 BCE; AUC 770 / 17 CE: Dedications of
Temples of Fors Fortuna across the River Tiber

"The day of Fors Fortuna was named by King Servius Tullius, because
he dedicated a sanctuary to Fors Fortuna beside the Tiber, outside
the City of Rome, in the month of June." ~ M. Terrentius Varro 6.17

Servius Tullius was especially dedicated to the Goddess Fortuna. By
Her he was raised from humble birth to become king. His special
relationship with Fortuna was said to have Her visit him by night
through his window, a motif he borrowed from Levantine traditions.
He was said to have built a fanum about one Roman mile from the City
along the Via Portuenis. In 460 BCE Spurius Carvilius built a temple
for Fors Fortune near or on the site of Servilius' fanum. In 293 BCE
another Temple of Fors Fortuna was built at the sixth mile along the
Via Portuensis (fasti Amiternum). A third Temple of Fors Fortuna was
then dedicated by Tiberius in 17 CE, located in the gardens of Julius
Caesar along the banks of the River Tiber (Tacitus, Annales 2.41;
Suetonius, Julius Caesar 83). The festival was celebrated along the
river banks and on boats, garlanded with flowers, leisurely floating
down the river. Libations of wine were poured, and more wine drank.
Ovid said that this festival was especially celebrated by slaves and
freedmen in memory of Servius Tullius, as he was considered to be one
of their own (Ovidius Naso, Fasti 6.775-784).


AUC 546 / 207 BCE: Battle on the Metaurus River

One of the most decisive battles in history, the Roman victory on the
Metaurus River is overshadowed by such disasters as Cannae and Lake
Transimene, or by Rome's eventual, culminating victory at Zama. But
the turning point of war with Hannibal came on the Metaurus, where
Hannibal's brother, Hasdrubal, was defeated and his entire army
annihilated. It left Hannibal stranded in Italy, cut off from his
base in Hispania and from Carthage. The Battle on the Metaurus River
is a classic example of the use of interior lines to concentrate
one's forces against one enemy force while screening off another
enemy force. In that, the Battle of the Metaurus is comparable to
battles like Tanneburg or Second Manassas, only with a more
devastating effect on the outcome of the respective wars.

Hasdrubal had crossed into Italy in two months, where Hannibal had
taken six months. His force was somewhat larger than his brother had
raised along the way, being around 48,000 infantry, 8,000 cavalry,
and 15 elephants (Appian, Hist.: War Against Hannibal 52). By the
time of the battle his force is thought to have been reduced to
around 30,000 with ten elephants. Facing him were two legions under
Marcus Livius with roughly the same strength. The Roman army was
fighting a delaying action in an attempt to prevent Hasdrubal from
joining forces with Hannibal, but slowly the Carthaginians had
advanced into Umbria. Hasdrubal sent messages to his brother where
Hannibal was in Bruttium trying to maneuver against the much larger
force of C. Claudius Nero. After a couple of engagements, in which
the Romans got the better of the Catharginians, Hannibal was
retreating towards Metapontum. Nero kept on Hannibal's heels, slowly
wearing the Punic force down, but also keeping his distance to
prevent a full engagement. A Roman foraging party intercepted
Hasdrubal's couriers and delivered them to the Consul. Nero made
rapid decisions. He wrote to the Senate, instructing then to bring
the legion from Capua and additional forces to be raised at Rome into
a blocking position at Narnia. This was to prevent Hasdrubal from
crossing to the western side of the Apennines. Then leaving a force
under Q. Catius to screen Hannibal, Nero marched with 6,000 infantry
and 1,000 cavalry to join Livius at Sena (Livius 27.44) A third
force under Praetor L. Porcius Licinius reinforced the consular
armies. The arrival of these additional forces were undetected by
the Carthaginians.

During the night before the battle Hasdrubal attempted to slip away.
Leaving his fortified position, his army became lost and confused in
the marshy areas along the Metaurus River as they vainly sought fords
across. Meanwhile the Gauls who accompanied hasdrubal's army spent
the night drinking. By dawn Roman cavalry came upon Hasdrubal's army,
with the legions closing in behind them. Unable to cross the
Metaurus, Hasdrubal drew up his army into a line that had a narrow
front and was deeper than usual. This formation was dictated by the
marshy terrain. On his right he placed his best troops, the Iberians
and a few Africans. At the center he led the Ligurians. On his left,
their front covered by a steep ravine, were the drunken and
disorderly Gauls. To the front he placed his elephants.

Marcus Livius initiated the battle by charging the Iberians. Porcius
Licinius followed with a charge on the Ligurians at Hasdrubal's
center. Claudius Nero, on the Roman right, was unable to reach the
Gauls. He therefore took part of his force and marched them behind
the Roman line to fall on the rear of Hasdrubal's right. The
elephants, caught between the two armies disordered the front ranks
of the Romans. But when Nero was able to come onto their flank and
rear, the elephants panicked and ran through the Carthaginian lines.
Six elephants were killed in battle, most by their own drivers, while
the Romans captured two after the battle (Livius 27.48; Polybius
11.2.1). Around 10,000 Carthaginians fell in battle, among them
Hasdrubal (Livius gives 54,000 dead and 5,400 taken prisoner). All
but a few prominent Africans were executed after the battle. The
Gauls were slaughtered. The rest of the army, Iberians and Ligurians,
were sold as slaves. The Romans lost around 2,000 men (Livius gives
8,000 Romans and allies), while they regained nearly the same number
who had been captured before the battle Polybius 11.2.3; Livius
27.49). Nero then marched back to his camp at Venusium, taking six
days. Upon arrival he had his African prisoners displayed before
Hannibal's outposts and had Hasdrubal head tossed towards the
Carthaginian camp. Upon receiving the news of the defeat and of his
brother's death, Hannibal abandoned Metapontum and retreated into
Bruttium. (Livius 27.51)


AUC 832 / 79 CE: Death of Vespasian (T. Flavius Vespasianus) and
ascension of Titus (T. Flavius Vespasianus).


Our thought for today is from L. Annaeus Seneca, On Tranquility:

"Our master Zeno remarked, when he received word that all his
possessions had gone to the bootom of the sea in a
shipwreck, 'Fortune bids me philosophize with a lighter pack.'"
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56783 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-25
Subject: a. d. VII Kalendas Quintilias: Ludi Tauri Quinquennales
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Sapite animo; fruamini anima.

Hodie est ante diem VII Kalendas Quintilias; haec dies comitialis
est: Ludi Tauri Quinquennales; feriae ex senatus consulto quod eo die
Imperator Caesar Augustus adoptavit sibi filium Tiberium Caesarem
Aelio et Sentio consulibus

AUC 243 /510 BCE Ludi Tauri Quinquennales

Following a plague during the reign of Tarquinius Superbus, games
were instituted to placate the Di inferni. Every five years, on 25
and 26 June, horse races were held in the Circus Flaminius.


AUC 757 / 4 CE: Emperor Caesar Augustus adopted Tiberius Claudius
Nero, son of Livia by Tiberius Claudius Nero.


AUC 585 / 168 BCE: Flight of Perseus

Three days after the battle Perseus arrived at Amphipolis, and from
that city he sent heralds with a caduceus to Paulus. In the meanwhile
Hippias, Midon, and Pantauchus, the principal men among the king's
friends who had fled from the field of battle to Beroea, went and
made their surrender to the Roman consul. In the case of others also,
their fears prompted them, one after another, to do the same. The
consul sent his son Q. Fabius, together with L. Lentulus and Q.
Metellus, with despatches to Rome announcing his victory. He gave the
spoils taken from the enemy's army lying on the field of battle to
the foot soldiers and the plunder from the surrounding country to the
cavalry on condition that they were not absent from the camp more
than two nights. The camp at Pydna was shifted to a site nearer the
sea. First of all Beroea, then Thessalonica and Pella, and almost the
whole of Macedonia, city by city, surrendered within two days. The
people of Pydna, who were the nearest to the consul, had not yet sent
envoys, for their citizens were prevented from coming to any decision
in their council by the mixed population drawn from many
nationalities and also by the crowd of fugitives from the battle. The
gates were not only closed but walled up. Midon and Pantauchus were
sent up to the walls to hold a parley with Solon, the commandant of
the garrison; by his means the mob of fighting men was sent way. The
surrendered town was given up to the soldiers to plunder. Perseus'
one hope was in the help of the Bisaltians, but finding this hope
vain he came before the assembled citizens of Amphipolis, with his
son Philip, with the intention of kindling the courage of the
Amphipolitans themselves and of the men, both infantry and cavalry,
who had accompanied him or been carried there in their flight. But as
often as he tried to speak he was prevented by his tears, and finding
that he could not utter a word, he told Euander what he wanted to
bring before the people and went down from the tribunal. The sight of
the king and his distressful weeping moved the people themselves to
groans and tears, but they would not listen to Euander. Some in the
middle of the Assembly had the audacity to shout out, 'Go away, both
of you, lest we, the few survivors, perish on your account.' Their
daring opposition closed Euander's lips. Then the king retired to his
house, and after placing an amount of gold and silver on board some
boats lying in the Strymon, went down to the river. The Thracians
would not venture on board and dispersed to their homes, so did the
rest of the soldiers; the Cretans, attracted by the money, followed
him. As the distribution of it amongst them would cause more jealousy
than gratitude, 50 talents were placed on the bank to be scrambled
for. Whilst they were going on board, after the scrambling, in wild
confusion, they sunk a boat in the mouth of the river through
overcrowding. That day they arrived at Galepsus and the day after
they reached Samothrace, for which they were making. It is asserted
that 2000 talents were conveyed there." ~ Titus Livius 44.45


Today's thought is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 12.23

"A man walks with the support of the Gods when his choice and his
direction carry him along a God's own path."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56784 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-06-26
Subject: Cn. Lentulus, Livia are in Dacia and are out of office
Salvete, Quitites!


Enjoying the hospitality of our consul T. Sabinus, we will be away from computer and we are in this event:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Novae_-_2008_European_Roman_Festival

After this event I will check my e-mails and answer them.


We have really a nice time in Dacia!


Curate ut valeatis!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------------------
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56785 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-26
Subject: a. d. VI Kalendas Quintilias: Ludi Tauri; Death of Julian the Blesse
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus sitis

Hodie est ante diem VI Kalendas Quintilias; haec dies comitialis est:
Ludi Tauri Quinquwnnales.

The second day of the Ludi Tauri celebrated with horse races in the
Circus Flaminius.

AUC 585 / 168 BCE: News of the Victory at Pydna reaches Rome

"The heralds of victory travelled to Rome with the utmost possible
speed, but on their arrival they found that the rejoicings over it
had forestalled them. Four days after the battle, while the Games
were going on in the Campus Martius, a whispered rumour suddenly
spread amongst the whole concourse of spectators to the effect that a
battle had taken place in Macedonia resulting in the utter defeat of
the king. Then the rumour grew louder until at last cheers and
applause arose as though definite tidings of victory had been brought
to them. The magistrates were taken by surprise and enquired who had
started this sudden outburst of joy. As no one could be found the
excitement produced by what they had taken for a certainty calmed
down, but still they were convinced that it was a happy omen, which
was subsequently verified by the arrival of the authentic messengers.
They were delighted quite as much at their prognostications proving
true as at the victory itself. A second outburst amongst the crowd in
the Circus is recorded." ~ Titus Livius 45.1


AUC974 / 221 CE: Elagabalus adopts Severus Alexander.

"On the sixth day before the calends of July, because noster dominus
Marcus Aurelius Severus Alexander was acclaimed Caesar and assumed
the toga virilis, to the Genius of Alexander Augustus a bull." ~
Fasti Dura Europa


AUC 1116 / 363 CE: Death of Julian the Blessed at Maranga

"To our dominus Flavius Claudius Julianus, devout, blessed, powerful
in every kind of virtue, invincible leader, restorer of freedom and
of the religio Romanaa nd conqueror of the world." ~ CIL 8.18529,
Casae, Numidia

"The most splendid town council of Tbibilis set up this statue and
dedicated it to our dominus Flavius Claudius Julianus, devout,
blessed, victor and conqueror, ever Augustus, restorer of the sacred
rites." ~ ILAlg. II.2.4647, Tbilis, Numidia

"In the time of one most Beloved of God, renewer of the sacred rites,
lord and victor over every barbarian people, Claudius Julianus, all-
powerful and sole ruler of the world, Callioius, most distinguished
consular, dedicated this altar." ~ AE (1983) 895, Thessalonica.

"To the Renewer of the Roman world, to the restorer of all things and
of all happiness, to the reviver of the culti Deorum and extinguisher
of superstition, to Flavius Julianus, ever Augustus, mighty victor
over the Germans, mighty victor over the Alamanni mighty victor over
the Sarmatians, and the Franks, pontifex maximus." ~ AE (1907) 191,
Baalbek, Syria

"To our lord Claudius Julianus, born for the good of the state,
greatest of emperors, celebrator of triumphs, ever Augustus, on
account of his having done away with the errors of times past." ~ ILS
8946, Mursa, Panonnia


Upon becoming sole emperor, Julianus re-instituted a general
religious tolerance on 11 December 361. This included the reopening
of temples, restoration of the culti Deorum ex patriae, as referred
in inscriptions throughout the empire. He also granted tolerance to
Jews and all Christian sects. He therefore reversed earlier policies
that used the power of the State against those Christian sects viewed
as heretical by other sects. His reinstituting tolerance of Jews
earned him the name Julianus the Hellene among them. He drew up
plans to rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem, although the plan was
abandoned with his death. He was later reviled by Christians as
Julian the Apostate for his effort to preserve the sacra and culti
Deorum. At the time of his reign the population of the empire was
still predominantly cultores Deorum, and his successors, Jovianus and
then Valentinianus I, although Christians, retained his official
policy of religious tolerance, even as local bands of Christians
began once more to persecute their fellow Romans and attacked the
temples and synagogues once more.

Named Caesar by Constantius, 6 Nov. 355 CE, after Constantius had
murdered his cousin and Julianus' half-brother, Gallus, and forced
Julianus to marry his (Constantius') sister Helena, Julianus
successfully defended the western borders of the empire against
Alamanni amd Frankish incursions. His legions declared him emperor
and he began a march east against Constantius in 360. Constantius,
marching to meet Julianus died enroute, acknowledging in his will
that Julianus, the last grandson of Constantine I, as rightful heir
and sole emperor. In March 363 Julianus launched campaign against
the Sassanid (Persian) empire to regain those provinces lost by
Constantius. Following an unsuccessful attack on the Persian capital
at Ctesiphon Julianus thought it prudent to withdraw from the
campaign. His retreat was harassed by skirmishers. It was during an
ambush near Maranga that Julianus charged into battle on different
fronts, each time without his armour.

Suddenly news was brought to the emperor, who had gone on unarmed to
reconnoitre the ground in front, that our rear was attacked. He,
roused to anger by this mishap, without stopping to put on his
breastplate, snatched up his shield in a hurry, and while hastening
to support his rear, was recalled by fresh news that the van which he
had quitted was now exposed to a similar attack. Without a thought of
personal danger, he now hastened to strengthen this division, and
then, on another side, a troop of Persian cuirassiers attacked his
centre, and pouring down with vehemence on his left wing, which began
to give way, as our men could hardly bear up against the foul smell
and horrid cries of the elephants, they pressed us hard with spears
and clouds of arrows. The emperor flew to every part of the field
where the danger was hottest; and our light-armed troops dashing out
wounded the backs of the Persians, and the hocks of the animals,
which were turned the other way. Julian, disregarding all care for
his own safety, made signs by waving his hands, and shouted out that
the enemy were fleeing in consternation; and cheering on his men to
the pursuit, threw himself eagerly into the conflict. His guards
called out to him from all sides to beware of the mass of fugitives
who wore scattered in consternation, as he would beware of the fall
of an ill-built roof, when suddenly a cavalry spear, grazing the skin
of his arm, pierced his side, and fixed itself in the bottom of his
liver. He tried to pull it out with his right hand, and cut the
sinews of his fingers with the double-edged point of the weapon; and,
falling from his horse, he was borne with speed by the men around him
to his tent; and the physician tried to relieve him. ~ Ammianus
Marcellinus, Roman History 25.3.2-7

One story said that Julianus had been assassinated in the midst of
battle by one of his own Christian soldiers:

"Who was the one that killed him, does anyone desire to hear? His
name I know not, but that he who killed him was not an enemy there is
a clear proof, namely, that none of the opposite side received
rewards for the fatal blow, although the Persian king summoned by
public proclamation the slayer to come forward and receive reward,
and it was in his power if he did come forward to gain great things.
And yet no one from desire of the rewards boasted of the deed." ~
Libanius, Funerary Oration for Julianus 208; Orations 18.274

This claim was not repeated by Ammianus and other Christian
historians. There was, however, a Christian fable that said Basil of
Antioch had prayed for Julianus' death, and that a soldier named
Mercurius appeared to Basil in a dream, announcing that he had done
the deed. Thus was Mercurius inducted as a saint into the liturgy of
the Coptic Christian church. Soon after his death the Christian
author Gregory of Nazianzen attacked Julianus' work "Against the
Galileans," and in the following century Theodorus of Mopsuestia,
Philip Sideta, and Cyril of Alexandria continued to try to refute
Julianus' criticism of Christianity. But mostly Romans mourned the
loss of Julianus, with much the same sentiments as Libanius expressed
in his funeral oration.

"O Jove, that Lydian king, with bloodstained hands, one of his race
reigned for nine-and-thirty years, another for fifty-seven; and the
murderous guardsman himself for forty all but two: but to this
prince thou hast granted only to touch upon his third year on the
higher throne; a man whom thou ought to have thought worthy of a
longer, or at any rate, no shorter life than the great Cyrus; for
like him he had preserved for his subjects the institutions of their
fathers."

"O offspring of deities, disciple of deities, associate of deities! O
thou that dost fill but a little spot of earth by thy tomb, but the
whole inhabited world with admiration!" ~ Libanius, Funerary Oration
for Julianus 214; 218


For works by Julian the Blessed online:

To the Sovereign Sun:
http://www.tertulian.org/fathers/julian_apostate_1_sun.htm
On the Mater Deorum:
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/julian_apostate_2_mother.htm
Against the Galileans:
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/julian_apostate_galileans_1_text.htm


Today's thought is from Flavius Claudius Julianus the Blessed:

"The first thing we ought to preach is reverence toward the Gods. For
it is fitting that we should perform our service to the Gods as
though They were Themselves present with us and beheld us, and though
not seen by us could direct Their gaze, which is more powerful than
any light, even as far as our hidden thoughts."


AUC 585 / 168 BCE: News of the Victory at Pydna reaches Rome

"The heralds of victory travelled to Rome with the utmost possible
speed, but on their arrival they found that the rejoicings over it
had forestalled them. Four days after the battle, while the Games
were going on in the Campus Martius, a whispered rumour suddenly
spread amongst the whole concourse of spectators to the effect that a
battle had taken place in Macedonia resulting in the utter defeat of
the king. Then the rumour grew louder until at last cheers and
applause arose as though definite tidings of victory had been brought
to them. The magistrates were taken by surprise and enquired who had
started this sudden outburst of joy. As no one could be found the
excitement produced by what they had taken for a certainty calmed
down, but still they were convinced that it was a happy omen, which
was subsequently verified by the arrival of the authentic messengers.
They were delighted quite as much at their prognostications proving
true as at the victory itself. A second outburst amongst the crowd in
the Circus is recorded." ~ Titus Livius 45.1


AUC974 / 221 CE: Elagabalus adopts Severus Alexander, wherein he
donned the toga virilis, and Alexander was raised to the rank of
Caesar.


AUC 1116 / 363 CE: Death of Julian the Blessed at Maranga

"To our dominus Flavius Claudius Julianus, devout, blessed, powerful
in every kind of virtue, invincible leader, restorer of freedom and
of the religio Romanaa nd conqueror of the world." ~ CIL 8.18529,
Casae, Numidia

"The most splendid town council of Tbibilis set up this statue and
dedicated it to our dominus Flavius Claudius Julianus, devout,
blessed, victor and conqueror, ever Augustus, restorer of the sacred
rites." ~ ILAlg. II.2.4647, Tbilis, Numidia

"In the time of one most Beloved of God, renewer of the sacred rites,
lord and victor over every barbarian people, Claudius Julianus, all-
powerful and sole ruler of the world, Callioius, most distinguished
consular, dedicated this altar." ~ AE (1983) 895, Thessalonica.

"To the Renewer of the Roman world, to the restorer of all things and
of all happiness, to the reviver of the culti Deorum and extinguisher
of superstition, to Flavius Julianus, ever Augustus, mighty victor
over the Germans, mighty victor over the Alamanni mighty victor over
the Sarmatians, and the Franks, pontifex maximus." ~ AE (1907) 191,
Baalbek, Syria

"To our lord Claudius Julianus, born for the good of the state,
greatest of emperors, celebrator of triumphs, ever Augustus, on
account of his having done away with the errors of times past." ~ ILS
8946, Mursa, Panonnia


Upon becoming sole emperor, Julianus re-instituted a general
religious tolerance on 11 December 361. This included the reopening
of temples, restoration of the culti Deorum ex patriae, as referred
in inscriptions throughout the empire. He also granted tolerance to
Jews and all Christian sects. He therefore reversed earlier policies
that used the power of the State against those Christian sects viewed
as heretical by other sects. His reinstituting tolerance of Jews
earned him the name Julianus the Hellene among them. He drew up
plans to rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem, although the plan was
abandoned with his death. He was later reviled by Christians as
Julian the Apostate for his effort to preserve the sacra and culti
Deorum. At the time of his reign the population of the empire was
still predominantly cultores Deorum, and his successors, Jovianus and
then Valentinianus I, although Christians, retained his official
policy of religious tolerance, even as local bands of Christians
began once more to persecute their fellow Romans and attacked the
temples and synagogues once more.

Named Caesar by Constantius, 6 Nov. 355 CE, after Constantius had
murdered his cousin and Julianus' half-brother, Gallus, and forced
Julianus to marry his (Constantius') sister Helena, Julianus
successfully defended the western borders of the empire against
Alamanni amd Frankish incursions. His legions declared him emperor
and he began a march east against Constantius in 360. Constantius,
marching to meet Julianus died enroute, acknowledging in his will
that Julianus, the last grandson of Constantine I, as rightful heir
and sole emperor. In March 363 Julianus launched campaign against
the Sassanid (Persian) empire to regain those provinces lost by
Constantius. Following an unsuccessful attack on the Persian capital
at Ctesiphon Julianus thought it prudent to withdraw from the
campaign. His retreat was harassed by skirmishers. It was during an
ambush near Maranga that Julianus charged into battle on different
fronts, each time without his armour.

"Suddenly news was brought to the emperor, who had gone on unarmed to
reconnoitre the ground in front, that our rear was attacked. He,
roused to anger by this mishap, without stopping to put on his
breastplate, snatched up his shield in a hurry, and while hastening
to support his rear, was recalled by fresh news that the van which he
had quitted was now exposed to a similar attack. Without a thought of
personal danger, he now hastened to strengthen this division, and
then, on another side, a troop of Persian cuirassiers attacked his
centre, and pouring down with vehemence on his left wing, which began
to give way, as our men could hardly bear up against the foul smell
and horrid cries of the elephants, they pressed us hard with spears
and clouds of arrows. The emperor flew to every part of the field
where the danger was hottest; and our light-armed troops dashing out
wounded the backs of the Persians, and the hocks of the animals,
which were turned the other way. Julian, disregarding all care for
his own safety, made signs by waving his hands, and shouted out that
the enemy were fleeing in consternation; and cheering on his men to
the pursuit, threw himself eagerly into the conflict. His guards
called out to him from all sides to beware of the mass of fugitives
who wore scattered in consternation, as he would beware of the fall
of an ill-built roof, when suddenly a cavalry spear, grazing the skin
of his arm, pierced his side, and fixed itself in the bottom of his
liver. He tried to pull it out with his right hand, and cut the
sinews of his fingers with the double-edged point of the weapon; and,
falling from his horse, he was borne with speed by the men around him
to his tent; and the physician tried to relieve him." ~ Ammianus
Marcellinus, Roman History 25.3.2-7

One story said that Julianus had been assassinated in the midst of
battle by one of his own Christian soldiers:

"Who was the one that killed him, does anyone desire to hear? His
name I know not, but that he who killed him was not an enemy there is
a clear proof, namely, that none of the opposite side received
rewards for the fatal blow, although the Persian king summoned by
public proclamation the slayer to come forward and receive reward,
and it was in his power if he did come forward to gain great things.
And yet no one from desire of the rewards boasted of the deed." ~
Libanius, Funerary Oration for Julianus 208; Orations 18.274

This claim was not repeated by Ammianus and other Christian
historians. There was, however, a Christian fable that said Basil of
Antioch had prayed for Julianus' death, and that a soldier named
Mercurius appeared to Basil in a dream, announcing that he had done
the deed. Thus was Mercurius inducted as a saint into the liturgy of
the Coptic Christian church. Soon after his death the Christian
author Gregory of Nazianzen attacked Julianus' work "Against the
Galileans," and in the following century Theodorus of Mopsuestia,
Philip Sideta, and Cyril of Alexandria continued to try to refute
Julianus' criticism of Christianity. But mostly Romans mourned the
loss of Julianus, with much the same sentiments as Libanius expressed
in his funeral oration.

"O Jove, that Lydian king, with bloodstained hands, one of his race
reigned for nine-and-thirty years, another for fifty-seven; and the
murderous guardsman himself for forty all but two: but to this
prince thou hast granted only to touch upon his third year on the
higher throne; a man whom thou ought to have thought worthy of a
longer, or at any rate, no shorter life than the great Cyrus; for
like him he had preserved for his subjects the institutions of their
fathers."

"O offspring of deities, disciple of deities, associate of deities! O
thou that dost fill but a little spot of earth by thy tomb, but the
whole inhabited world with admiration!" ~ Libanius, Funerary Oration
for Julianus 214; 218


For works by Julian the Blessed online:

To the Sovereign Sun:
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/julian_apostate_1_sun.htm
On the Mater Deorum:
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/julian_apostate_2_mother.htm
Against the Galileans:
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/julian_apostate_galileans_1_text.htm


Today's thought is from Flavius Claudius Julianus the Blessed:

"The first thing we ought to preach is reverence toward the Gods. For
it is fitting that we should perform our service to the Gods as
though They were Themselves present with us and beheld us, and though
not seen by us could direct Their gaze, which is more powerful than
any light, even as far as our hidden thoughts."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56786 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-27
Subject: a. d. V Kalendas Quintilias: Iovi Statori; Laribus in Viae Sacrae
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di Lares vos salvas et servatas volunt.

Hodie est ante diem V Kalendas Quintilias; haec dies comitialis est:
Laribus in Viae Sacrae; Iovi Statori.

AUC 459 / 294 BCE: Temple of Jupiter Stator

Following the rape of the Sabine women by Romulus and his men at the
feast of Consualia, a war began between Romulus with the Romans on
the Palatine against the Sabines led by Titus Tatius on the
Quirinal. The Sabines had won the Arx, and then a battle began in
the plane between the Capitoline and the Palatine. The Sabines
pushed the Romans back onto the Palatine. Romulus called on Jupiter,
vowing Him a templum, if He would stay the flight of the Romans.

"The Sabines were in possession of the citadel. And they would not
come down from it the next day, though the Roman army was drawn up in
battle array over the whole of the ground between the Palatine and
the Capitoline hill, until, exasperated at the loss of their citadel
and determined to recover it, the Romans mounted to the attack.
Advancing before the rest, Mettius Curtius, on the side of the
Sabines, and Hostius Hostilius, on the side of the Romans, engaged in
single combat. Hostius, fighting on disadvantageous ground, upheld
the fortunes of Rome by his intrepid bravery, but at last he fell;
the Roman line broke and fled to what was then the gate of the
Palatine. Even Romulus was being swept away by the crowd of
fugitives, and lifting up his hands to heaven he exclaimed: "Jupiter,
it was thy omen that I obeyed when I laid here on the Palatine the
earliest foundations of the City. Now the Sabines hold its citadel,
having bought it by a bribe, and coming thence have seized the valley
and are pressing hitherwards in battle. Do thou, Father of gods and
men, drive hence our foes, banish terror from Roman hearts, and stay
our shameful flight! Here do I vow a temple to thee, 'Jove Stator,'
as a memorial for the generations to come that it is through thy
present help that the City has been saved." Then, as though he had
become aware that his prayer had been heard, he cried, "Back, Romans!
Jupiter Optimus Maximus bids you stand and renew the battle." They
stopped as though commanded by a voice from heaven-Romulus dashed up
to the front of the line." ~ Titus Livius 1.12

Romulus built a fanum (Livius 10.37.16). A temple was later vowed by
M. Atilius Regulus during a battle with the Samnites (Livius
10.36.11).


Temple of the Lares

Today marks the rededication of the Temple of the Lares by Augustus
(Res Gestae 4, 19). The temple was located at the highest point of
the Via Sacra, near the fanum of Orbona, and near where the Arch of
Titus would later be erected. The earliest mention of the temple is
found in the Iulii Obsequentis ab anno Urbis Conditae du Prodigiorum
Liber 41 where a blaze, penetrating from the gable to the height of
the column was noted as a prodigy during the consulship of Q.
Servilio Caepione and C. Atilio Serrano (106 BCE).


AUC 585 / 168 BCE: The Surrender of Perseus

"Meantime the fleet under Cn. Octavius had put in at Samothrace.
Octavius thought that the presence of the fleet would intimidate
Perseus, and he tried to induce him to surrender by appealing to his
hopes and fears. An incident brought about either by accident or
design assisted his efforts. A young man of distinction, L. Atilius,
noticed that the people of Samothrace were holding an assembly, and
he requested the magistrates to allow him to address a few words to
the people. Permission being granted, he began: "My friends and hosts
of Samothrace, is it true or false what we have heard, that this is a
consecrated island and that its soil is everywhere sacred and
inviolable?" There was a unanimous response in the affirmative, and
he went on: "Why, then, is it polluted and violated by a murderer
stained with the blood of King Eumenes? And whilst all approach to
your sacred shrines is forbidden to those who do not come with clean
hands before commencing any holy rite, will you allow them to be
contaminated by the presence of a blood-stained assassin?" It was
well known through all the cities of Greece that the murder of
Eumenes at Delphi had been attempted and all but effected by Euander.
They were aware that the temple and the whole of the island lay at
the mercy of the Romans, and they felt, too, that they deserved the
reproach. Theondas, their chief magistrate-they give him the title
of "king"-was accordingly sent to Perseus to inform him that Euander
was accused of murder and that courts were established after the
manner of their ancestors to try those who were alleged to have
entered the sacred boundaries with unholy hands. If Euander felt sure
that he would be proved innocent of any capital crime let him appear
to defend himself, but if he did not dare to stand his trial, let him
deliver the temple from a curse end take measures for his personal
safety. Perseus called Euander aside and advised him on no account to
undergo a trial; he was no match for his accusers, either on the
merits of the case or in the influence which he possessed. He was
haunted by the fear that if Euander were found guilty he would bring
him in as the instigator of that infamous crime. What was left for
him to do but to die bravely? Euander raised no objection openly, but
after saying that he would rather die by poison than by the sword, he
made preparations for secret flight. On this coming to the king's
ears he was afraid that Euander, by escaping punishment, might bring
down the wrath of the Samothracians upon himself under the belief
that he had connived at his escape. He therefore gave orders for
Euander to be put to death. After the reckless perpetration of this
murder he suddenly reflected that he had beyond any doubt brought
upon himself the blood-guiltiness which had previously rested on
Euander. Eumenes had been wounded by Euander in Delphi, and now he
himself had put Euander to death in Samothrace. Thus he alone was
responsible for the profanation of the two holiest temples in the
world by human blood. He averted this terrible charge by bribing
Theondas and inducing him to announce to the people that Euander had
taken his own life.

"However, the commission of such a crime against his one remaining
friend, who had been tested through so many misfortunes and who had
been betrayed because he would not betray his master, alienated all
men's sympathies from him. Each thinking only of himself went over to
the Romans, and as he was left all but alone he was compelled to form
plans for flight. There was a Cretan named Oroandas who was familiar
with the coast of Thrace through his trading journeys. Perseus called
upon him to take him on board with him to Cotys. There was a bay
formed by one of the headlands of Samothrace, named from the adjacent
temple of Demeter the Demetrium, and there the boat was lying. Just
after sunset everything required for use, and as much of the money as
could be carried without detection, was put on board. The king with
three who shared his flight went out at midnight through a door at
the back of the house into the garden which was close to his room,
and after climbing the wall with considerable difficulty succeeded in
reaching the shore. Oroandas had only waited till the money was on
board, and as soon as it grew dark weighed anchor and put out to sea
for Crete. As no ship was to be found in the harbour Perseus wandered
about for some time on the shore. At last, dreading the approach of
day, he did not dare to return to his quarters but hid himself in a
dark corner on one side of the temple. The children of the Macedonian
nobility who were chosen to wait on the king used to be known as "the
royal pages." These boys had followed the king in his flight, and
even now refused to desert him until a proclamation was published by
order of Cnaeus Octavius, stating that the royal pages and any other
Macedonians who were in Samothrace would, if they went to the Romans,
preserve their personal safety and liberty, and all their property,
both what they had with them and what they had left in Macedonia.
After this pronouncement all went over and reported themselves to C.
Postumius, one of the military tribunes. Ion, the Thessalian, also
gave up the king's little children to Octavius, and now no one was
left with the king except his eldest son Philip. Then Perseus,
inveighing against Fortune and the gods in whose temple he was for
refusing all aid to their suppliants, surrendered himself and his son
into the hands of Octavius. Orders were given for him to be put on
board the commander's ship, together with what remained of the money.
The fleet at once sailed back to Amphipolis. From there Octavius sent
the king to the consul's camp, having previously advised him that the
king was being brought to his camp as a prisoner." ~ Titus Livius
45.5-6


Today's thought is from the Golden Sayings of Pythagoras 27:

"Consult and deliberate before thou act, that thou mayest not commit
foolish actions."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56787 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-06-28
Subject: Re: Quick Latin Help Request
Thank you to both of you for your help. I apologize this is so late in
coming, but we finished the temple today after one last week of
virtual backbreaking work.

We stuck with Defensor Templi as the title for our Centurion.

Here are some screenshots of the completed temple building:

http://www.legioxviii.net/forum/index.php?topic=850.0

There are some other screenshots taken by others, but they are in a
thread on the Roma-Victor forums, and you'd need to register there to
view them.

Valete,

Sex. Postumius Albus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56788 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-28
Subject: a.d. IIII Kalendas Quinctilias: Battle of Maleventum
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Vos quod fexitis, Deos omnes fortunare velim

Hodie est ante diem IV Kalendas Quinctilias; haec dies comitialis est:

"Red guardian, Priapus, placed within this fruitful garden, with your
fierce scythe frighten off the birds from this crop." ~ Tibullus
I.1.17-18


Plutarch, Roman Questions 7:

"Why is it forbidden for a man to receive a gift from his wife or a
wife to receive a gift from her husband? Is it that, Solon having
promulgated a law that the bequests of the deceased should be valid
unless a man were constrained by force or persuaded by his wife,
whereby he expected force as overriding the free will, and pleasure
as misleading the judgement, in this way the bequests of wives and
husbands became suspect? Or did they regard giving as an utterly
worthless token of affection, for even strangers and persons with no
kindly feelings give gifts, and so deprived the marriage relationship
of this mode of giving pleasure, that mutual affection might be
unbought and free, existing for its own sake and for no other
reason? Or is it that women are most likely to be seduced and
welcome strangers because of gifts they receive from them; and thus
it is seen to be dignified for them to love their husbands even
though their husbands give them no gifts? Or is it rather that both
the husbands' property should be held in common with their wives and
the wives' with their husbands? For anyone who accepts what is given
learns to regard what is not given to him as belonging to another,
with the result that by giving a little to each other they deprive
each other of all else that they own."


AUC 439 / 314 BCE: Battle near Maleventum

"The Samnites, recalled from their designs in Apulia, marched to
Caudium, which from its proximity to Capua would make it easy for
them, if the opportunity offered, to wrest that city from the Romans.
The consuls marched to Caudium with a strong force. For some time
both armies remained in their positions on either side of the pass,
as they could only reach each other by a most difficult route. At
length the Samnites descended by a short detour through open country
into the flat district of Campania, and there for the first time they
came within sight of each other's camp. There were frequent
skirmishes, in which the cavalry played a greater part than the
infantry, and the Romans had no cause to be dissatisfied with these
trials of strength, nor with the delay which was prolonging the war.
The Samnite generals, on the other hand, saw that these daily
encounters involved daily losses, and that the prolongation of the
war was sapping their strength. They decided, therefore, to bring on
an action. They posted their cavalry on the two flanks of their army
with instructions to keep their attention on their camp, in case it
were attacked, rather than on the battle, which would be safe in the
hands of the infantry. On the other side, the consul Sulpicius
directed the right wing Poetilius the left. The Roman right was drawn
up in more open order than usual, as the Samnites opposed to them
were standing in thinly extended ranks in order either to surround
the enemy or to prevent themselves from being surrounded. The left,
which was in a much closer formation, was further strengthened by a
rapid maneuver of Poetilius, who suddenly brought up into the
fighting line the cohorts which were usually kept in reserve, in case
the battle was prolonged. He then charged the enemy with his full
strength. As the Samnite infantry were shaken by the weight of the
attack their cavalry came to their support, and riding obliquely
between the two armies were met by the Roman cavalry who charged them
at a hard gallop and threw infantry and cavalry alike into confusion,
until they had forced back the whole line in this part of the field.
Sulpicius was taking his part with Poetilius in encouraging the men
in this division, for on hearing the battle-shout raised he had
ridden across from his own division, which was not yet engaged.
Seeing that the victory was no longer doubtful here he rode back to
his post with his 1200 cavalry, but he found a very different
condition of things there, the Romans had been driven from their
ground and the victorious enemy were pressing them hard. The presence
of the consul produced a sudden and complete change, the courage of
the men revived at the sight of their general, and the cavalry whom
he had brought up rendered an assistance out of all proportion to
their numbers, whilst the sound, followed soon by the sight of the
success on the other wing, re-animated the combatants to redouble
their exertions. From this moment the Romans were victorious along
the whole line, and the Samnites abandoning all further resistance,
were all killed or taken prisoners, with the exception of those who
succeeded in escaping to Maleventum, now called Beneventum. Their
loss in prisoners and slain is stated by the chroniclers to have
amounted to 30,000." ~ T. Livius 9.27


Today's thought is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 2.17

"All things f the body stream away like a river, all things of the
mind are dreams and delusions; life is warfare, and a visit in a
strange land; the only lasting fame is oblivion. One thing, and one
thing only, philosophy, can escort us on our way. This consists of
keeping the divinity within us inviolate and free of harm, master of
pleasure and pain, doing nothing without aim, truth, or integrity,
and independent of the actions of others or their failure to act.
Further, accepting all that happens and is allotted to it as coming
from that other source of divinity which is its own origin, and at
all times awaiting death with the glad confidence that it is nothing
more than the dissolution of the elements of which every living
creature is composed. Now if there is nothing fearful for the
elements themselves in their constant changing of each into another,
why should one look anxiously in prospect at the change and
dissolution of them all? This is in accordance with Nature, and
nothing harmful is in accordance with Nature."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56789 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-06-28
Subject: Re: Quick Latin Help Request
We encountered a slight glitch with the temple.

Apparently, the guards assigned to us are (gasp!) barbarians, and attack Romans.

The programmers are wroking to rectify the issue, and I am trying to
do some research on what a relatively accurate temple guard would
wear, and how they would be equipped.

In the Dictionary of Roman Religion entry on Temples, it mentions
there being gatekeepers employed for security.

Would soldiers have been used, or would it have been more like a
private security force? I imagine it varies from temple to temple.

Are there other good sources of information I could use?

Thanks,
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56790 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-29
Subject: a. d. III Kalendas Quinctilias: Quirino in colle
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Venus dulcedonem in nos communicet

Hodie est ante diem III Kalendas Quinctilias; haec dies comitialis
est: Quirino in colle; Ventosa tempestas

"When as many days of the month are left as there are named Fates, a
temple was dedicated to you, Quirinus of the striped gown." ~ P.
Ovidius Naso, Fasti 6.795-796

Ovid refers here to the rededication of the Temple of Quirinus on the
Quirinal Hill by Augustus (Res Gestae 4, 19). Normally a temple
would be rededicated on the same day as it had originally been
dedicated. But with Augustus this was not always true. He would
instead create festivals through such rededications on dates that
were related to some important event in his life. The original
dedication had taken place during the Samnite Wars.

AUC / 293 BCE: L. Papirius Cursor and the Temple of Quirinus

"On his approach to Rome a triumph was granted to him by universal
consent. This triumph, which he celebrated while still in office, was
a very brilliant one for those days. The infantry and cavalry who
marched in the procession were conspicuous with their decorations,
many were wearing civic, mural, and vallarian crowns. The spoils of
the Samnites attracted much attention; their splendour and beauty
were compared with those which the consul's father had won, and which
were familiar to all through their being used as decorations of
public places. Amongst those in the victor's train were some
prisoners of high rank distinguished for their own or their fathers'
military services; there were also carried in the procession
2,533,000 bronze ases, stated to be the proceeds of the sale of the
prisoners, and 1830 pounds of silver taken from the cities. All the
silver and bronze was stored in the treasury, none of this was given
to the soldiers. This created dissatisfaction amongst the plebs,
which was aggravated by the collection of the war tax to provide the
soldiers' pay, for if Papirius had not been so anxious to get the
credit of paying the price of the prisoners into the treasury there
would have been enough to make a gift to the soldiers and also to
furnish their pay. He dedicated the temple of Quirinus. I do not find
in any ancient author that it was he who vowed this temple in the
crisis of a battle, and certainly he could not have completed it in
so short a time; it was vowed by his father when Dictator, and the
son dedicated it when consul. and adorned it with the spoils of the
enemy. There was such a vast quantity of these that not only were the
temple and the Forum adorned with them, but they were distributed
amongst the allied peoples and the nearest colonies to decorate their
public spaces and temples." ~ Titus Livius 10.46


Plutarch, Roman Questions 29:

"Why do they not allow the bride to cross the threshold of her home
herself, but those who are escorting her lift her over it? Is it
because they carried off by force also the first Roman brides and
bore them into their houses in this manner, and the women did not
enter of their own accord? Or do they wish it to appear that it is
under constraint and not of their own desire that they enter a
dwelling where they are about to lose their virginity? Or it it a
token that the woman may not go forth of her own accord and abandon
her home if she is not constrained, just as it was under constraint
that she entered it? So likewise among us in Boeotia they burn the
axle of the bridal carriage before the door, signifying that the
bride must remain, since her means of departure has been destroyed."


Today's thought is for Epictetus, Discourses 3.7.35-36:

"'Do this; do not do that, or I will throw you into prison.' This is
not the way to govern men as rational creatures. No, but what you
should be saying is, 'Do as Zeus has ordained, or you will be
punished, you will be harmed.' Harmed? In what way? In this alone,
in not doing what you ought; you will destroy in yourself the man of
good faith, the man of honor, the man of moderation. Look for no
greater harm than this."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56791 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-06-29
Subject: Reviving the Vestalia
Salvete

Reviving the Vestalia:

http://www.cctv.com/program/cultureexpress/20080622/101520.shtml


When you watch the video listen for a mention of Nova Roma.

Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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Subject: File - EDICTUM DE SERMONE
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56794 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-06-30
Subject: Pridie Kalendas Quinctilias: Hercule Musagetibus
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Hercules virtutem in nos addat

Hodie est die pristine Kalendas Quinctilias; haec dies comitialis
est: Herculi Musagetibus

AUC / 187 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Hercules Musagetes in the
Circus Flaminium

"Hail, Hercules, true son of Jove, an added Glory for the Gods are
you. Come now, and dance at your holy rites with skillful feet." ~
Virgil Aeneid 8.301-2

The Temple of Hercules of the Muses was built by M. Fulvius Nobilior
who became censor in 179 BCE. Earlier he conducted the siege of
Ambracia, from which he brought to Rome statues of the Muses sculpted
by Zeuxis (Plinius Secundus, H. N. 35.36). Fulvius was the patron of
Ennius, and he also installed an inscribed version of a fasti in the
aedes Herculis Musarum (Macrobius, Saturnalia1.12.16). In 29 BCE L.
Marcius Philippus, step brother to Augustus, restored the temple with
the Porticus Philippi added. Philippus was father to Marcia. She
was a cousin of Augustus through his aunt Atia and wife of Paullus
Fabius Maximus who was the patron of Ovid. It was Marcia who revealed
to Livia that Augustus intended to pardon his grandson Agrippa
Postumus, bringing him back from exile. If true, it would have meant
that Augustus would deny the imperial throne to Tiberius. This
information must have come from Marcia's husband Fabius Maximus, who
was a confidant to Augustus. He, at least, committed suicide over
the revelation, and soon after Augustus died, rumored, according to
Tacitus, to have been poisoned by Livia and Tiberius. (Tacitus,
Annales 1.5)

Plutarch, Roman Questions 59

"Why did Hercules and the Muses have an altar in common? Is it
because Hercules taught Evander's people the use of letters, as Juba
has recorded? And this action was held to be noble on the part of men
who taught their friends and relatives. It was a long time before
they began to teach for pay, and the first to open an elementary
school was Spurius Carvilius, a freedman of the Carvilius who was the
first to divorce his wife."


AUC 520 / 233 BCE: Rome's first Divorce

"From the Founding of the City down to its five hundred and twentieth
year there was no case of divorce between man and wife. Sp.
Carvilius was the first to put his wife away for cause of
barrenness. Although he was thought to have a tolerable reason for
doing so, he did not escape criticism, because they considered that
even desire for children ought not to have been placed ahead of
conjugal loyalty." ~ Valerius Maximus 2.1.4


Our thought for today comes from Pythagoras, the Golden Sayings 1 and
2:

"First worship the Immortal Gods, as They are established and
ordained by the Law. Reverence the Oath, and next the Heroes, full
of goodness and light."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56795 From: phoenixfyre17 Date: 2008-06-30
Subject: Re: Reviving the Vestalia
Salvete,

There is no mention of Nova Roma, I think you mistook her accent
when she had said "normal Roman women".

However, my question is, is the Senate and Roman People Cultural
Club just a re-enactment group interested in history, or were these
true modern Vestal priestesses? The focus of the article and video
cemented the idea that it was a historical exercise and
demonstration, rather than true religious worship and devotion.

Vale optime,
Titus Iulius Nero

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
wrote:
>
> Salvete
>
> Reviving the Vestalia:
>
> http://www.cctv.com/program/cultureexpress/20080622/101520.shtml
>
>
> When you watch the video listen for a mention of Nova Roma.
>
> Valete
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56796 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-06-30
Subject: A few words about the Novae festival.
SALVETE!

As you know, a delegation of NR composed of me, tribuna Livia Plauta,
quaestor Cornelius Lentulus and citizens from Dacia and Pannonia
participated to the Roman Festival from Novae, Bulgaria.

Nova Roma delegation presented there two important moments as
component parts of the official program:

1. The consecration of NR flag.

The flag was produced by Cornelius Lentulus and it is wonderful. To
the Novae city stadium, in front of the public, Bulgarian
televisions, press representatives and assisted by a guard formed by
soldiers of Legio I Italica, Lentulus, accompanied by NR delegation,
performed the ritual. Then the NR flag was kept in the stand and many
participants saw it. Flyers to promote NR were distributed and groups
of reenactment were contacted.

2. Ritual to the Gods.

From the Roman religion point of view I think it was one of the
greatest moments of the festival.
In the same way as the flag consecration, the ritual performed by
Lentulus was presented public, on the city stadium and again we were
assisted by soldiers of Legio I Italica. Near them a group of vestals
from Novae took part to the ceremony because the courtesy of Novae
festival organizers and Novae municipality.


In the last day of the event I had the honor to be introduced by the
festival organizer to the Italia ambassador to Sofia who confirmed
the next year festival organization.

One can write an entire novel about what was happen there but in my
personal style I want to conclude with these opinions:
- Nothing, but nothing, can replace the face to face meetings and
these meetings represent the only way to effective discuss about NR
possible ways of development.
- To meet our citizens in person is the best thing can happen in
one's life and I'm honored to meet the wonderful Pannonia's citizens
and to observe their impressive dedication to Nova Roma. Plauta,
Lentulus and Popillia has my all my respect for the way they
organized, participated and put in practice the official moments of
NR participation to the festival.
- Romans and barbarians reenactment groups around the world respect
each over and, through collaboration during the festival, they
demonstrated that the passion for all Roman things, but not limited
to that, the passion for history has no frontiers and national
backgrounds. We all are the members of the same family.

I want to present my special thanks to Legio I Italica who helped us
in the friendliest possible way. Because them our presented moments
were more impressive. Near that help they demonstrated consideration
and respect to Nova Roma and I think this is the result of our co-
fellows from Italia promotion of Nova Roma in Italy. All around in
the city of Novae where we meet soldiers of Legio I Italica they
salute us with these words: "Salvete, Nova Roma!" and to the city
stadium they give the honor and saluted the NR flag.

Usually when I travel in another country I take a deeply look to the
social, cultural and economical life of that country.
It was the first time when I traveled in Bulgaria. With that occasion
I want send to the Bulgarian citizens, members of this list, my
congratulations. Bulgaria is an impressive country with an important
historically background, with a solid social development, polite and
educated citizens.
Bulgarian fraters, take in consideration the Nova Roma Moesia
creation. You are wonderful people and you have all resources to do
that in proper way.

Soon: photos!

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS