Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Jul 1-19, 2008

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56797 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-01
Subject: KALENDAE QUINCTILIAE: Iuno Regina et Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56798 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-07-01
Subject: Photos from Novae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56799 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-01
Subject: Re: Photos from Novae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56800 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-07-01
Subject: Re: Photos from Novae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56801 From: Maior Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: Re: Photos from Novae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56802 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: a. d. VI Nonas Quinctilias: Analogy of the Belly
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56803 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: 10th NR Anniverarsy - Sacred Year of Concordia - Concordia Ritual
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56804 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] A few words about the Novae festival.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56805 From: Marco La Franca Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Photos from Novae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56806 From: andrea cologni Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Photos from Novae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56807 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Photos from Novae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56808 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: a. d. V Nonas Quinctilias: Dies Natalis Consuli T. Iulii Sabini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56809 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: Re: a. d. V Nonas Quinctilias: Dies Natalis Consuli T. Iulii Sabini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56810 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: A group dedicated to new or prospective citizens, 7/3/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56811 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: DIES NATALIS CONSULI SABINI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56812 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: Novae - videos
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56813 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: Re: DIES NATALIS CONSULI SABINI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56814 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: DIES NATALIS CONSULI SABINI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56815 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: Re: a. d. V Nonas Quinctilias: Dies Natalis Consuli T. Iulii Sabini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56816 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: Re: DIES NATALIS CONSULI SABINI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56817 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: a. d. IV Nonas Quintilias: Ara Pacis Augustae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56818 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: My thanks.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56819 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: Past and current birthdays
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56820 From: L. Salix Cicero (Neil) Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: Pompeii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56821 From: Maior Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: Re: a. d. V Nonas Quinctilias: Dies Natalis Consuli T. Iulii Sabini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56822 From: Marco La Franca Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Pompeii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56823 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] A few words about the Novae festival.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56824 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Quinctilias: POPLIFUGIA; feriae Iovi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56825 From: calaco4life Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Has anyone got the Caesar Games?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56826 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Re: Past and current birthdays
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56827 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Re: a. d. V Nonas Quinctilias: Dies Natalis Consuli T. Iulii Sabini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56828 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Lord Apollo, 7/5/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56829 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Your citizen photo, 7/5/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56830 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] A few words about the Novae festival.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56831 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Summer edition of the Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56832 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Europa Universalis: Rome Game
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56833 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Re: Has anyone got the Caesar Games?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56834 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: EDICTVM DE LVDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI A.V.C.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56835 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Re: Has anyone got the Caesar Games?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56836 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Pridie Nonas Quinctilias: Fortuna Muliebris; Ludi Apollinares
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56837 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-06
Subject: AT Intermediate Latin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56838 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-07-06
Subject: Re: Summer edition of the Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56839 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-06
Subject: EDICTVM DE LVDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI A.V.C-ESPAÑOL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56840 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-06
Subject: EDICTVM DE LVDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI A.V.C.-CORRECTED VERSION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56841 From: Ian McKay Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: "Roman Times Quarterly" --2nd Qtr. -- 2008
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56842 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: NONAE CAPROTINAE: The Assumption of Romulus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56843 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: Aquila - Nova Roma's Official 'Zine.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56844 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: EDICTVM DE LVDI APOLLINARIBVS MMDCCLXI A.V.C.-CORRECTED AGAIN!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56845 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: FIRST GROVP OF QVESTIONS-LVDI APOLLINARES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56846 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: THE LVDI APOLLINARES IN THE HISTORY OF ROME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56847 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: LVDI APOLLINARES-OPENING CEREMONY
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56848 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-08
Subject: a. d. VIII Eidus Quintiliae: Ludi Apollinares; Dies Natalis C. Iulii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56849 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-08
Subject: CERTAMEN HISTORICVM - SECOND GROVP OF QVESTIONS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56850 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AT LATIN COURSES UPDATE: INTERMEDIATE LATIN READY FOR BOARDING
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56851 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: IVth NR Pannonia Reenactment Camp in Szolnok during the Ludi Apollin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56852 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: a. d. VII Eidus Quinctiliae: Battle of Heraclea
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56853 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56854 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56855 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56856 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56857 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56858 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56859 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56860 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56861 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56862 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56863 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56864 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56865 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2008-07-10
Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56866 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-10
Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56867 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-10
Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Quinctiliae: Battle of the Lesnikia River
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56868 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-07-10
Subject: Roman calendar, 7/10/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56869 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-10
Subject: Famous statue of Romulus, Remus, and the wolf dated to ~1200 CE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56870 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-07-10
Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56871 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] IVth NR Pannonia Reenactment Camp in Szolnok during t
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56872 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: a. d. V Eidus Quinctiliae: Pyrrhus and Fabricius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56873 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: Re: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56874 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: Discussion of Nova Roma Finances
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56875 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: Re: IVth NR Pannonia Reenactment Camp in Szolnok during the LudiApol
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56876 From: iohannkn Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: Re: Famous statue of Romulus, Remus, and the wolf dated to ~1200 CE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56877 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: MY APOLOGIES TO LVSITANVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56878 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: Re: MY APOLOGIES TO LVSITANVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56879 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-12
Subject: AT Introductory and Intermediate Latin registration
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56880 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2008-07-12
Subject: gathering ideas about NR financies
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56881 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-12
Subject: a. d. IIII Eidus Qinctiliae: Dies Natalis C. Iulii Caesari
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56882 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2008-07-12
Subject: Re: Famous statue of Romulus, Remus, and the wolf dated to ~1200 CE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56883 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56884 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56885 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56886 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56887 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56888 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56889 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56890 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56891 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56892 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: THE WINNERS OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56893 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: SPECIAL GRATITVDE AND RECOGNITION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56894 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56895 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - Details, results.. on a spec. wiki page!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56896 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: "When Rome Ruled Egypt" on the Discovery Channel tonight
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56897 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: THE WINNERS OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56898 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: File - EDICTUM DE SERMONE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56899 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: File - language.txt
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56900 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56901 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: THE WINNERS OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56902 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - Closing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56903 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Pridie Eidus Quinctiliae: Battle of Asculum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56904 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Happy Bastile Day!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56905 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: Happy Bastille Day!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56906 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Resignation from the Senate committee, appeal for an appointment of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56907 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: MY PERSONAL GRATITVDE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56908 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Resignation from the Senate committee, appeal for an
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56909 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: MY PERSONAL GRATITVDE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56910 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: Happy Bastile Day!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56911 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: THE WINNERS OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56912 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: Resignation from the Senate committee
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56913 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: The senate is reconvened
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56914 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Absentia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56915 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: OY: Venator's Uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56916 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: Resignation from the Senate committee
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56917 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: EIDUS QUINCTILIAE: Tranvectio Equitium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56918 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: Re: OY: Venator's Uncle Michael
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56919 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: To all in the Far East, 7/15/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56920 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3988
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56921 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3988
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56922 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: The senate voting agenda has been changed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56923 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: Re: The senate voting agenda has been changed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56924 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: a. d. XVII Kalendas Sextalis: Dies Alliensis; dies natalis Sexti Pos
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56925 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: Re: The senate voting agenda has been changed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56926 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: CHARIOT RACING IN THE CIRCVS MAXIMVS?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56927 From: Lyn Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: Re: CHARIOT RACING IN THE CIRCVS MAXIMVS?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56928 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: 10th Anniversary - Sacred Year of Concordia - Ritual
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56929 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: Re: The senate voting agenda has been changed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56930 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electronic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56931 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56932 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56933 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56934 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] CHARIOT RACING IN THE CIRCVS MAXIMVS?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56935 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: a. d. XVI Kalendas Sextilias: Honos et Virtus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56936 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56937 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56938 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56939 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Latin Edit for Mac OSX
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56940 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56941 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56942 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Titus Flavius Aquila absentia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56943 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56944 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56945 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56946 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: a. d. XV Kalendas Sextilias: dies Alliensis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56947 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: The Consul's Personal Opinion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56948 From: Maior Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56949 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56950 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56951 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56952 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56953 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56954 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56955 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: a. d. XIV Kalendas Sextilias: Lucaria, Adonia, Congiarium Caesaris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56956 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56957 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56958 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56959 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56960 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Citizens! Keep your e-mail information up to date!, 7/19/2008, 12:00
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56961 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: "Put up with" [was Nova Roma honours the gods above all]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56962 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56963 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: "Put up with" [was Nova Roma honours the gods above all]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56964 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56965 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: "Put up with" and translation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56966 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: "Put up with" and translation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56967 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56968 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-07-19
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56797 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-01
Subject: KALENDAE QUINCTILIAE: Iuno Regina et Fausta
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Fausta felicitatem in nos impertiat.

Hodie est Kalendae Quinctiliae; haec dies nefastus est: natalis
Junonis Reginae in Aventino; Faustae in Capitolino.

AUC 361 / 392 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Juno Regina on the
Aventine Hill.

During the long war with Vei, two events were to lead to Rome's
victory. One was a prophecy and the other an evocation of the
Etruscan Goddess Veia from Her city by the Roman commander Furius
Camillus.

"Juno Regina, who in Veii now dwells, I pray, that after our victory
You will follow us to our City, soon to become Your City as well,
where a holy precinct worthy of Your dignity will be built to receive
You." ~ Titus Livius 5.21.3


AUC 704 / 49 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Fausta Felicitas on
the Capitoline Hill.

The only thing that could really be said of the Temple of Felicitas
mentioned in the fasti Antiates as being on the Capitolium is that it
was neither of the other two known temples by that name, and thus it
is thought to refer instead to the Temple of Fausta Felicitas. The
two other temples of Felicitas were that in the Vicus Tuscus and the
one built by Lepidus in the Forum Romanorum.

"[The Senate] assigned to [Julius Caesar] the charge of filling the
Pontine marshes, cutting a canal through the Peloponnesian isthmus,
and constructing a new Curia, since that of Hostilius, although
repaired, had been demolished [by Sulla]. The reason assigned for its
destruction was that a temple of Felicitas was to be built there,
which Lepidus, indeed, brought to completion while master of the
horse; but their real purpose was that the name of Sulla should not
be preserved on it, and that another Curia for the Senate, newly
constructed, might be named the Julian, even as they had called the
month in which he was born July, and one of the tribes, selected by
lot, the Julian." ~ Dio Cassius 44.5.1-2

Caesar began preparation for the temple when he demolished the Curia
Hostilia of Sulla in 44 BCE, just before his assassination. An
earlier Temple of Felicitas had been built in the Velabrum by L.
Licinius Lucullus after his campaign in Spain 151-150 BCE (Suetonius,
Life of Julius Caesar 37.2). It was there in the Vicus Tuscus,
during Caesar's triumph of 46 BCE, held for his victories in Gaul,
that "on the first day of the triumph a portent far from good fell to
his lot: the axle of the triumphal car broke down directly opposite
the temple of Felicitas built by Lucullus, so that he had to complete
the rest of the course in another. (ibid; Dio 43.21.1). Built from
the spoils from Spain, Lucullus further adorned the temple with
spoils taken from Greece. These included the Thespiades statues of
the Muses by Praxiteles as well as a Venus by Praxiteles (Cicero,
Verres 2.4.2.4; Pliny HN 34.19; 36.39). The earlier Temple of
Felicitas was destroyed by fire during the reign of Claudius and
never rebuilt. The Venus of Praxitales was destroyed in the fire,
but the Muses were apparently rescued and set up in the Schools of
Octavia, only to be destroyed later in a fire during the reign of
Titus(Pliny HN 34.19; 36.4).

AUC 822 / 69 CE: Titus Vespasianus (Maior) hailed as imperator by the
legions at Alexandria.

AUC 823 / 70 CE: Titus (Vespasianus Minor) began the assault on the
outer walls enclosing the Temple of Jerusalem.

For past one and a half years the Romans had methodically taken the
villages of Judea, driving the Jewish people into Jerusalem. In
April Titus appeared before the city with four Roman legions, a large
contingent of Syrian auxiliaries and additional troops from allied
kingdoms. Titus spent two weeks building a wall around Jerusalem,
preventing the city from receiving supplies. Those who were caught
trying to escape the city were crucified in full view of the
populace. In late April Titus launched a barrage against the outer
wall, breaching the northern suburb called Bezetha. The Jews had
built another wall behind this first wall, and it too was breached
five days later. The Jews counter attacked, winning back the inner
wall. It therefore took Titus to regain this northern wall and raze
Bezetha. In late May each of the four legions were building
ramparts. Two were thrown up against the western hill of the Upper
City of Jerusalem, while two other ramparts were placed against fort
Antonia that was located just north of the wall enclosing the
Temple. Digging tunnels beneath these ramparts, the Jews managed to
set them on fire. The scarcity of timber in the area forced the
Romans to go further afield for supplies, but in three weeks they had
built four more ramparts, this time all being built against the walls
of the Antonia. Battering rams soon had the walls collapse, the
Romans then finding that yet another wall lay behind it. A hand-
picked assault team of eleven men, led by a Syrian named Sabinus
managed to get inside the Antonia, but they were then cut down by the
defenders. Two days later an assault at night took the Antonia in
later June. The way to the Temple enclosure wall lay open. It was
on the outer wall of the Temple enclosure that Titus began assaulting
on the Kalendae Iuliae. Among the factitious defenders, this part of
the city was held by the Zealots of Galilee led by John of Gischala,
along with Idumaean insurgents, the same factions that had murdered
the High Priest Ananus ben Ananus before the arrival of Titus. The
next three weeks of July were then spent in operations against the
outer wall of the temple complex, the wall of the outer court, and
the wal between the outer and inner court of the Herodian Temple of
Jerusalem. (Josephus, The Jewish War 5.427-6.197)


AUC 975 / 222 CE: "On the Kalends of July, because Alexander our
Augustus was appointed consul for the first time, a supplication." ~
Fasti Duronis Europae


Our thought for today is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 48.

"While we are on the road, we must try to make what is before us
better than what is past; when we come to the road's end, we feel a
smooth contentment."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56798 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-07-01
Subject: Photos from Novae
SALVETE!

Here are some photos from Novae Roman festival:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Talk:Novae_-_2008_European_Roman_Festival

Soon more photos and video section.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56799 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-01
Subject: Re: Photos from Novae
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Consuli T. Iulio Sabino Omnibusque S.P.D.
 
  Beautiful! What a wonderful event! I can't wait to see more.

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56800 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-07-01
Subject: Re: Photos from Novae
SALVE ET SALVETE!

Thank you.
I posted only a few but soon I will receive the other participants'
photos, so, we will have an entire vision about the festival.
I'm eager to see the Legio I Italica videos on YouTube, including the
ritual to the Gods performed by Lentulus in the NR delegation and
Legio I Italica presence.

VALE ET VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
<cn.caelius@...> wrote:
>
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Consuli T. Iulio Sabino Omnibusque S.P.D.
>
>
> Beautiful! What a wonderful event! I can't wait to see more.
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56801 From: Maior Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: Re: Photos from Novae
Salve Sabine;
incredible! thanks so much for sharing the photos. Pannonia & Dacia
and now Moesia are leading Nova Roma with your activities, which is
wonderful. Crassus minor looked adorable:) and you all look fantastic.
Can't wait to see your videos.
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Here are some photos from Novae Roman festival:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Talk:Novae_-_2008_European_Roman_Festival
>
> Soon more photos and video section.
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56802 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: a. d. VI Nonas Quinctilias: Analogy of the Belly
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus sumus.

Hodie est ante diem VI Nonas Quinctilias; haec dies nefastus aterque
est:

AUC 259 / 494 BCE: Resolution of the First Plebeian Secessio to Mons
Sacer: The analogy of "The Belly"

"The senate now ordered the legions to be marched out of the City on
the pretext that war with the Aequi had recommenced. This step
brought the revolution to a head. It is said that the first idea was
to put the consuls to death that the men might be discharged from
their oath; then, on learning that no religious obligation could be
dissolved by a crime, they decided, at the instigation of a certain
Sicinius, to ignore the consuls and withdraw to the Sacred Mount,
which lay on the other side of the Anio, three miles from the City.
This is a more generally accepted tradition than the one adopted by
Piso that the secession was made to the Aventine. There, without any
commander in a regularly entrenched camp, taking nothing with them
but the necessities of life, they quietly maintained themselves for
some days, neither receiving nor giving any provocation. A great
panic seized the City, mutual distrust led to a state of universal
suspense.

"The senate decided, therefore, to send as their spokesman Menenius
Agrippa, an eloquent man, and acceptable to the plebs as being
himself of plebeian origin. He was admitted into the camp, and it is
reported that he simply told them the following fable in primitive
and uncouth fashion. "In the days when all the parts of the human
body were not as now agreeing together, but each member took its own
course and spoke its own speech, the other members, indignant at
seeing that everything acquired by their care and labour and ministry
went to the belly, whilst it, undisturbed in the middle of them all,
did nothing but enjoy the pleasures provided for it, entered into a
conspiracy; the hands were not to bring food to the mouth, the mouth
was not to accept it when offered, the teeth were not to masticate
it. Whilst, in their resentment, they were anxious to coerce the
belly by starving it, the members themselves wasted away, and the
whole body was reduced to the last stage of exhaustion. Then it
became evident that the belly rendered no idle service, and the
nourishment it received was no greater than that which it bestowed by
returning to all parts of the body this blood by which we live and
are strong, equally distributed into the veins, after being matured
by the digestion of the food." By using this comparison, and showing
how the internal disaffection amongst the parts of the body resembled
the animosity of the plebeians against the patricians, he succeeded
in winning over his audience.

"Negotiations were then entered upon for a reconciliation. An
agreement was arrived at, the terms being that the plebs should have
its own magistrates, whose persons were to be inviolable, and who
should have the right of affording protection against the consuls.
And further, no patrician should be allowed to hold that office.
Two "tribunes of the plebs" were elected, C. Licinius and L. Albinus.
These chose three colleagues. It is generally agreed that Sicinius,
the instigator of the secession, was amongst them, but who the other
two were is not settled. Some say that only two tribunes were created
on the Sacred Hill and that it was there that the lex sacrata was
passed.

"During the secession of the plebeians Sp. Cassius and Postumius
Cominius entered on their consulship. In their year of office a
treaty was concluded with the Latin towns, and one of the consuls
remained in Rome for the purpose. The other was sent to the Volscian
war. He routed a force of Volscians from Antium, and pursued them to
Longula, which he gained possession of. Then he advanced to Polusca,
also belonging to the Volscians, which he captured, after which he
attacked Corioli in great force." ~ Titus Livius 2.32-33


Today's thought is from Epictetus, Fragment 20:

"Those whose bodies are in good condition may withstand heat and
cold; and so. Likewise, those whose souls are in the right condition
can bear anger, and grief, and immoderate joy, and all other
emotions."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56803 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: 10th NR Anniverarsy - Sacred Year of Concordia - Concordia Ritual
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, sacerdos Concordiae, sacerdos Pannoniae,
quaestor, legatus pro praetore: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis
plebis, senatui populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam:


Salvete, Quirites!

Be well in concordance!


This was yesterday's sacrifice to Goddess Concordia. We are just over the great Novae (Svishtov) event where a huge NR sacrifice was made concentrated on Concordia, conducted on behalf of the whole Nova Roman Republic, Senate and People, for the tenth Anniversary and the future of the New Roman Nation.

This is the middle of the Sacred Year of Concordia at the Tenth Anniversary.

Now I can feel, my sacrifices have really their success and effects. Nova Roma more peaceful than ever, our government is more effective than ever, and I feel Concordia is most satisfied.

Quirites!

We have reached now something! But, since Nova Roma is 10 years old, in order to honour this Tenth Anniversary I continue to follow my vow and pray to Concordia constantly on every Kalends and Ides.

This was the ritual for the Kalends of July.

I especially ask our Magistrates and Senators: send me your prayers to
Concordia and I will allocate them in the Virtual Temple of Concordia of the Nova Roman People:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Aedes_Concordiae_Populi_Novi_Romani_%28Nova_Roma%29

Visit the Virtual Temple of Concordia and leave a personal, public prayer!

PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!

Yesterday's sacrifice was done before my home altar. I worshiped
Concordia for the unity, strengthen and harmony of the New Roman People
and I gave Her wine and incense. The ritual was this:


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

SACRIFICIUM CONCORDIAE KALENDIS QUINCTILIBUS ANNI SACRI X NOVAE ROMAE CONDITAE


Favete linguis!

(Beginning of the sacrifice.)

PRAEFATIO

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)


Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!"

(Libation of wine is made.)

INVOCATIO

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
hisce Kalendis Quinctilibus anni undecimi Novae Romae conditae
te precor, veneror, quaeso, obtestor:

PRECATIO

uti pacem concordiamque constantem
societati Novae Romae tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque discordiis liberes;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
atque hoc anno anniversarii decimi Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hoc anno decimo Novae Romae eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
utique sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi,
quaeque ita faxis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitia
hoc anno anniversario decimo Novae Romae conditae
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!


(Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)


REDDITIO

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo
et vino libando
bonas preces bene precatus sum,
earundem rerum ergo
macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made)

Ilicet!

(End of the sacrifice.)


PIACULUM

Iane,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,
hoc vino inferio
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio.

(Libation of wine is made.)



Valete in Concordia!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------------------
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56804 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] A few words about the Novae festival.
Cn. Lentulus T. Iulio cos. et omnibus sal.


Consul T. Iulius has already given a good summary of this event, I just can't refrain myself from adding my own personal feelings to it.


>>> 1. The consecration of NR flag.

The flag was produced by Cornelius Lentulus and it is wonderful. To
the Novae city stadium, in front of the public, Bulgarian
televisions, press representatives and assisted by a guard formed by
soldiers of Legio I Italica, Lentulus, accompanied by NR delegation,
performed the ritual. Then the NR flag was kept in the stand and many
participants saw it. Flyers to promote NR were distributed and groups
of reenactment were contacted. <<<


Yes, and the consecration itself was done by your Consul T. Sabinus. I don't know if Nova Roma had a really sacred flad before, and sacred by our highest authority, representative the Senate and the people, but now we have one. This is a wonderful moment for NR and we will keep this flag in the greatest possible respect and relevance.

After the consecration, a military salute was also contributed to the flag, led by the Consul and hundreds, maybe a thousand of people saw this.

Does someone say still Nova Roma is a mailing list? Heheheh! ;-))


>>> 2. Ritual to the Gods.

From the Roman religion point of view I think it was one of the
greatest moments of the festival.
In the same way as the flag consecration, the ritual performed by
Lentulus was presented public, on the city stadium and again we were
assisted by soldiers of Legio I Italica. Near them a group of vestals
from Novae took part to the ceremony because the courtesy of Novae
festival organizers and Novae municipality. <<<


Yes, and we must note the "Vestals" were only reenactors, not real, but their presence was a nice decoration to the rite.

I want to thank officially Livia Plauta's and Popillia Laenas' contributions to the sacrifice. Livia was who prepared the place and the altar for the sacrifice, and coordinator of the alter assistance; Popillia was the first assistant for the religious procession and holder of the texts.

Again, we have to remember that the ritual was presided by the Consul, so it was not *my* ritual, but that of the *Consul*, T. Iulius. I was just his hand.

So the Gods were honoured by our highest representative, and not only by me.

This is very important for the religio Romana, and shows our priority crystal clearly, Nova Roma is the first place in the world for the Roman religion and its followers.


>>>> One can write an entire novel about what was happen there but in my
personal style I want to conclude with these opinions:
- Nothing, but nothing, can replace the face to face meetings and
these meetings represent the only way to effective discuss about NR
possible ways of development. <<<<


Agreed with the most pleasure.


>>> - To meet our citizens in person is the best thing can happen in
one's life and I'm honored to meet the wonderful Pannonia's citizens
and to observe their impressive dedication to Nova Roma. Plauta,
Lentulus and Popillia has my all my respect for the way they
organized, participated and put in practice the official moments of
NR participation to the festival. <<<<


Thank you, Consul amplissime!

I'm glad to say, too, that in the person of your Consul T. Iulius Sabinus I had the pleasure to meet and know a very nice, honorable, honest and fine man, a good friend, good father and husband, and a true Roman. Our Republic is indeed in the best hands, Quirites, and this is good to know and see really and personally.

I just miss his gentle presence since we left Novae, and I can't wait for our next meeting!

Thanks also to Marcus Prometheus and you dear family, Arria Carina and T. Iulius Minor for their much assistance and contributions to all the events.

Yes, Quirites, your Consul T. Iulius is most right: personal meetings with Nova Roma citizens is fantastic moment in your life, and you will have as good friends just like family members. For example, I knew T. Sabinus for 5 years from e-mails, and it was a shocking feeling to see him in person, but I felt as if we had meet several times during these years. This was inexpressible.


>>> All around in
the city of Novae where we meet soldiers of Legio I Italica they
salute us with these words: "Salvete, Nova Roma!" and to the city
stadium they give the honor and saluted the NR flag. <<<


True story! And not that they, but other participants and inhabitants of the city, too. Nova Roma was starring!


I was proud to be a citizen of our republic "to-be"!


Valete!
























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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56805 From: Marco La Franca Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Photos from Novae

Salve Sabine

 

Thanks a lot for sharing these beautifull photos with us.

I wish I could be in the photo next year too :)

It was for sure a susccefull festival.

 

Optime vale

Marcus Apuleius Maritimus

--- Mer 2/7/08, Maior <rory12001@...> ha scritto:

Da: Maior <rory12001@...>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Photos from Novae
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Mercoledì 2 luglio 2008, 06:27

Salve Sabine;
incredible! thanks so much for sharing the photos. Pannonia & Dacia
and now Moesia are leading Nova Roma with your activities, which is
wonderful. Crassus minor looked adorable:) and you all look fantastic.
Can't wait to see your videos.
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Here are some photos from Novae Roman festival:
> http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Talk: Novae_-_2008_ European_ Roman_Festival
>
> Soon more photos and video section.
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56806 From: andrea cologni Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Photos from Novae

Salve Amice

 

I invite all the citizen to take a look at the photos in www.visitsvishtov.com



--- Mer 2/7/08, Marco La Franca <lafrancamarco@...> ha scritto:

Da: Marco La Franca <lafrancamarco@...>
Oggetto: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Photos from Novae
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Mercoledì 2 luglio 2008, 17:24

Salve Sabine

 

Thanks a lot for sharing these beautifull photos with us.

I wish I could be in the photo next year too :)

It was for sure a susccefull festival.

 

Optime vale

Marcus Apuleius Maritimus

--- Mer 2/7/08, Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com> ha scritto:

Da: Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Photos from Novae
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
Data: Mercoledì 2 luglio 2008, 06:27

Salve Sabine;
incredible! thanks so much for sharing the photos. Pannonia & Dacia
and now Moesia are leading Nova Roma with your activities, which is
wonderful. Crassus minor looked adorable:) and you all look fantastic.
Can't wait to see your videos.
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Here are some photos from Novae Roman festival:
> http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Talk: Novae_-_2008_ European_ Roman_Festival
>
> Soon more photos and video section.
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56807 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-07-02
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Photos from Novae
SALVE ET SALVETE!
 
Nova Roma is represented to the Svishtov site with one photo (the third from the first line):
and it is about the NR flag consecretion.
If you have other photos where Legio I Italica assisted us during that ceremony or photos when the ritual to the Gods was performed send them to me. You will recognize the photos of the ritual to the Gods because Legio I Italica altar. They were kind enough to lend it us.
We don't have photos of that moment because all of us participated to ritual. I wait a few from Serbia , too.
 
Thank you Apulei Maritime for your kind words.
 
VALE ET VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

andrea cologni <andreacologni@...> wrote:
Salve Amice
 
I invite all the citizen to take a look at the photos in www.visitsvishtov. com


--- Mer 2/7/08, Marco La Franca <lafrancamarco@ yahoo.it> ha scritto:
Da: Marco La Franca <lafrancamarco@ yahoo.it>
Oggetto: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Photos from Novae
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
Data: Mercoledì 2 luglio 2008, 17:24

Salve Sabine
 
Thanks a lot for sharing these beautifull photos with us.
I wish I could be in the photo next year too :)
It was for sure a susccefull festival.
 
Optime vale
Marcus Apuleius Maritimus

--- Mer 2/7/08, Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com> ha scritto:
Da: Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Photos from Novae
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
Data: Mercoledì 2 luglio 2008, 06:27

Salve Sabine;
incredible! thanks so much for sharing the photos. Pannonia & Dacia
and now Moesia are leading Nova Roma with your activities, which is
wonderful. Crassus minor looked adorable:) and you all look fantastic.
Can't wait to see your videos.
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior
>
> SALVETE!
>
> Here are some photos from Novae Roman festival:
> http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Talk: Novae_-_2008_ European_ Roman_Festival
>
> Soon more photos and video section.
>
> VALETE,
> IVL SABINVS
>



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"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56808 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: a. d. V Nonas Quinctilias: Dies Natalis Consuli T. Iulii Sabini
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos servavissent semper.

Hodie est ante diem V Nonas Quinctilias; haec dies nefastus est: dies
natalis T. Iulii Sabini Consulis.

Felices natalis, care Amice, teque bona Iuppiter auctet ope!


AUC 261 / 492 BCE: The Capture of Corioli

"Amongst the most distinguished of the young soldiers in the camp at
that time was Cnaeus Marcius, a young man prompt in counsel and
action, who afterwards received the epithet of Coriolanus. During the
progress of the siege, while the Roman army was devoting its whole
attention to the townspeople whom it had shut up within their walls,
and not in the least apprehending any danger from hostile movements
without, it was suddenly attacked by Volscian legions who had marched
from Antium. At the same moment a sortie was made from the town.
Marcius happened to be on guard, and with a picked body of men not
only repelled the sortie but made a bold dash through the open gate,
and after cutting down many in the part of the city nearest to him,
seized some fire and hurled it on the buildings which abutted on the
walls. The shouts of the townsmen mingled with the shrieks of the
terrified women and children encouraged the Romans and dismayed the
Volscians, who thought that the city which they had come to assist
was already captured. So the troops from Antium were routed and
Corioli taken. The renown which Marcius won so completely eclipsed
that of the consul, that, had not the treaty with the Latins-which
owing to his colleague's absence had been concluded by Sp. Cassius
alone-been inscribed on a brazen column, and so permanently recorded,
all memory of Postumius Cominius having carried on a war with the
Volscians would have perished." ~ Titus Livius 2.33

AUC 262 /491 BCE: the exile of Coriolianus

"During the consulship of M. Minucius and A. Sempronius, a large
quantity of corn was brought from Sicily, and the question was
discussed in the senate at what price it should be given to the
plebs. Many were of opinion that the moment had come for putting
pressure on the plebeians, and recovering the rights which had been
wrested from the senate through the secession and the violence which
accompanied it. Foremost among these was Marcius Coriolanus, a
determined foe to the tribunitian power. "If," he argued, "they want
their corn at the old price, let them restore to the senate its old
powers. Why, then, do I, after being sent under the yoke, ransomed as
it were from brigands, see plebeian magistrates, why do I see a
Sicinius in power? Am I to endure these indignities a moment longer
than I can help? Am I, who could not put up with a Tarquin as king,
to put up with a Sicinius? Let him secede now! let him call out his
plebeians, the way lies open to the Sacred Hill and to other hills.
Let them carry off the corn from our fields as they did two years
ago; let them enjoy the scarcity which in their madness they have
produced! I will venture to say that after they have been tamed by
these sufferings, they will rather work as labourers themselves in
the fields than prevent their being cultivated by an armed
secession." It is not so easy to say whether they ought to have done
this as it is to express one's belief that it could have been done,
and the senators might have made it a condition of lowering the price
of the corn that they should abrogate the tribunitian power and all
the legal restrictions imposed upon them against their will.

"The senate considered these sentiments too bitter, the plebeians in
their exasperation almost flew to arms. Famine, they said, was being
used as a weapon against them, as though they were enemies; they were
being cheated out of food and sustenance; the foreign corn, which
fortune had unexpectedly given them as their sole means of support,
was to be snatched from their mouths unless their tribunes were given
up in chains to Cn. Marcius, unless he could work his will on the
backs of the Roman plebeians. In him a new executioner had sprung up,
who ordered them either to die or live as slaves. He would have been
attacked on leaving the Senate-house had not the tribunes most
opportunely fixed a day for his impeachment. This allayed the
excitement, every man saw himself a judge with the power of life and
death over his enemy. At first Marcius treated the threats of the
tribunes with contempt; they had the right of protecting not of
punishing, they were the tribunes of the plebs not of the patricians.
But the anger of the plebeians was so thoroughly roused that the
patricians could only save themselves by the punishment of one of
their order. They resisted, however, in spite of the odium: they
incurred, and exercised all the powers they possessed both
collectively and individually. At first they attempted to thwart
proceedings by posting pickets of their clients to deter individuals
from frequenting meetings and conclaves. Then they proceeded in a
body-you might suppose that every patrician was impeached-and
implored the plebeians, if they refused to acquit a man who was
innocent, at least to give up to them, as guilty, one citizen, one
senator. As he did not put in an appearance on the day of trial,
their resentment remained unabated, and he was condemned in his
absence. He went into exile amongst the Volscians, uttering threats
against his country, and even then entertaining hostile designs
against it. The Volscians welcomed his arrival, and he became more
popular as his resentment against his countrymen became more bitter,
and his complaints and threats were more frequently heard. He enjoyed
the hospitality of Attius Tullius, who was by far the most important
man at that time amongst the Volscians and a life-long enemy of the
Romans. Impelled each by similar motives, the one by old-standing
hatred, the other by newly-provoked resentment, they formed joint
plans for war with Rome." ~ Titus Livius 2.34-35


AUC 1077 / 324 CE: Constantinus I defeats Licinius at Hadrianopolis.

Constantinus provoked a civil war with his co-emperor Valerius
Licinius Licinianus by massing his army across the Danube on the
pretense of pursuing Sarmatians. Although outnumbered, Constantinus
had more battle hardened legions and was able to win the battle.
Licinius withdrew to Byzantium and crossed over into Anatolia. In
September Crispus, son of Constantius, inflicted a naval defeat on
Licinius that allowed Constantius to cross the Bosphorus and defeat
Licinius for the final time at Chrysopolis. Constantia, sister of
Constantinus and wife of Licinius, pleaded for her husband's life.
But a year later Constantius broke his solemn oath, executing
Licinius, and later Constantia's son as well. The result allowed
Constantinus to found Nova Roma at Byzantium.


Our thought for today comes from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 10.16:

"No longer talk at all about the kind of man that a good man ought to
be. Be such a man!"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56809 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: Re: a. d. V Nonas Quinctilias: Dies Natalis Consuli T. Iulii Sabini
SALVE MARCE HORATI ET SALVETE!


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...>
wrote:

> M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
> dicit: Di vos servavissent semper.
>
> Hodie est ante diem V Nonas Quinctilias; haec dies nefastus est:
dies natalis T. Iulii Sabini Consulis.
> Felices natalis, care Amice, teque bona Iuppiter auctet ope!>>>

Thank you very much, my friend. I'm honored.
I'm eager to meet you in Dacia. I'm eager to meet all my NR friends
who will participate to Conventus in Dacia. We will have great time
together.
I'm eager to meet my NR co-fellows anytime and anywhere with various
events occasion and I will try to participate to them when is
possible.
These moments are unique in one's life.

Nova Roma is a wonderful expression of friendship around the world.

VALE ET VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56810 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: A group dedicated to new or prospective citizens, 7/3/2008, 12:00 pm
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   A group dedicated to new or prospective citizens
 
Date:   Thursday July 3, 2008
Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
Notes:   NewRoman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newroman/ is a group where new and prospective citizens can meet and ask questions of some experienced citizens in a safe, moderated and low-traffic environment.
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56811 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: DIES NATALIS CONSULI SABINI

Salve Consul amice,

 

La multi ani, dragi prieteni!

¡Feliz cumpleaños, querido amigo!

Happy birthday, dear friend!

Ad multos annos vivas!

 

Optime vale et tibi gratulor,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56812 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: Novae - videos
SALVETE!

I received the video images of both Nova Roma moments presented at
Novae.
They are:

1. The Nova Roman flag consecration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRe1an3_9GE

2. The Nova Roman flag consecration assisted by Legio I Italica:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7mdhr8LG8U

3. The Nova Roma sacrifice to Gods:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyUbQCVvtmc

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56813 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: Re: DIES NATALIS CONSULI SABINI
SALVE PRAETOR AMICE!
 
Thank you very much for your fine words.
 
VALE OPTIME,
IVL SABINVS

M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:
Salve Consul amice,
 
La multi ani, dragi prieteni!
¡Feliz cumpleaños, querido amigo!
Happy birthday, dear friend!
Ad multos annos vivas!
 
Optime vale et tibi gratulor,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO




"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56814 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: DIES NATALIS CONSULI SABINI


Salve Consul Sabinus,
 
Happy Birthday und Herzlichen Glückwunsch zum Geburtstag !
 
Optime vale et tibi gratulor
 
Titus Flavius Aquila
Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma
Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania
Scriba Censoris KBFM


Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail.
Dem pfiffigeren Posteingang.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56815 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: Re: a. d. V Nonas Quinctilias: Dies Natalis Consuli T. Iulii Sabini
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: a. d. V Nonas Quinctilias: Dies Natalis Consuli T. Iulii Sabini
A. Tullia Scholastica T. Iulio Sabino consuli quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

SALVE MARCE HORATI ET SALVETE!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@...>
wrote:

> M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
> dicit: Di vos servavissent semper.
>
> Hodie est ante diem V Nonas Quinctilias; haec dies nefastus est:
dies natalis T. Iulii Sabini Consulis.
> Felices natalis, care Amice, teque bona Iuppiter auctet ope!>>>

Thank you very much, my friend. I'm honored.
I'm eager to meet you in Dacia. I'm eager to meet all my NR friends
who will participate to Conventus in Dacia. We will have great time
together.

    ATS:  Bonam felicemque diem natalem tibi exopto, et multos plures in futurum!  Unfortunately, like most of my compatriots, I shall not be able to attend the Conventus this year, and doubt that the situation will improve for the future.   My visit to Europe for Conventus V was probably a once-in-a-lifetime event, but one I enjoyed tremendously.  Nothing can compare with meeting one’s fellow citizens in person, and that,  too, spending several days with them.


I'm eager to meet my NR co-fellows anytime and anywhere with various
events occasion and I will try to participate to them when is
possible.
These moments are unique in one's life.

    ATS:  Eventually you will turn up in the US at Roman Days, n’est-ce pas?  The site is still in flux, and the date had to be changed to late September, but we do hope to hold the event.  

Nova Roma is a wonderful expression of friendship around the world.

    ATS:  Yes, it is.  So, too, is the AT.  My students come from a number of different countries, and we all seem to get along most of the time.  For future reference on that, too, intermediate Latin is almost finished, which means that I can prepare the site for enrollment in a week or two, and then do the same for introductory.  More on this later.  

VALE ET VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Vale, et valete!

 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56816 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2008-07-03
Subject: Re: DIES NATALIS CONSULI SABINI
---Salve Sabinus Consul:

Likely this is somewhat belated, given our time zone differences, but
my best birthday wishes to you Sabine amice, and my hopes for many
more happy, healthy years ahead.

Bene vale
Pompeia




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL•SEVERVS
<marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Consul amice,
>  
> La multi ani, dragi prieteni!
> ¡Feliz cumpleaños, querido amigo!
> Happy birthday, dear friend!
> Ad multos annos vivas!
>  
> Optime vale et tibi gratulor,
>
> M•IVL•SEVERVS
> PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
>
> SENATOR
> PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56817 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: a. d. IV Nonas Quintilias: Ara Pacis Augustae
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Vivete in pace Deorum.

Hodie est ante diem IV Nonas Quinctilias; haec dies nefastus piaculum
est: feriae ex senatus consulto quod eo die ara pacis Augustae in
campo Martio constituta est Nerone et Varo consulibus; Corona occidit
mane

AUC 265 / 488 BCE: Coriolanus leads the Volsci against Rome

"By the unanimous vote of the states, the conduct of the war was
entrusted to Attius Tullius and Cn. Marcius, the Roman exile, on whom
their hopes chiefly rested. He fully justified their expectations, so
that it became quite evident that the strength of Rome lay in her
generals rather than in her army. He first marched against Cerceii,
expelled the Roman colony and handed it over to the Volscians as a
free city. Then he took Satricum, Longula, Polusca, and Corioli,
towns which the Romans had recently acquired. Marching across country
into the Latin road, he recovered Lavinium, and then, in succession,
Corbio, Vetellia, Trebium Labici, and Pedum. Finally, he advanced
from Pedum against the City. He entrenched his camp at the Cluilian
Dykes, about five miles distant, and from there he ravaged the Roman
territory. The raiding parties were accompanied by men whose business
it was to see that the lands of the patricians were not touched; a
measure due either to his rage being especially directed against the
plebeians, or to his hope that dissensions might arise between them
and the patricians. These certainly would have arisen- to such a
pitch were the tribunes exciting the plebs by their attacks on the
chief men of the State-had not the fear of the enemy outside-the
strongest bond of union-brought men together in spite of their mutual
suspicions and aversion. On one point they disagreed; the senate and
the consuls placed their hopes solely in arms, the plebeians
preferred anything to war. Sp. Nautius and Sex. Furius were now
consuls. Whilst they were reviewing the legions and manning the walls
and stationing troops m various places, an enormous crowd gathered
together. At first they alarmed the consuls by seditious shouts, and
at last they compelled them to convene the senate and submit a motion
for sending ambassadors to Cn. Marcius. As the courage of the
plebeians was evidently giving way, the senate accepted the motion,
and a deputation was sent to Marcius with proposals for peace. They
brought back the stern reply: If the territory were restored to the
Volscians, the question of peace could be discussed; but if they
wished to enjoy the spoils of war at their ease, he had not forgotten
the wrongs inflicted by his countrymen nor the kindness shown by
those who were now his hosts, and would strive to make it clear that
his spirit had been roused, not broken, by his exile. The same envoys
were sent on a second mission, but were not admitted into the camp.
According to the tradition, the priests also in their robes went as
suppliants to the enemies' camp, but they had no more influence with
him than the previous deputation." ~ Titus Livius 2.39


AUC 740 / 13 BCE: The Senate passed a decree that an altar of Peace
be erected and annual sacrifices offered in commemoration of the
return of Augustus from his victories in Spain and Gaul. The Ara
Pacis was dedicated three and a half years later on 30 January 9 BCE
(Augustus, Res Gestae Divi Augusti 12.2-13; CIL 9.4192: Fasti
Amiturnum; CIL 11.3592: Fasti Caerensis)

"Garland Your elegant coiffure with Actium's laurel, Pax; be present
and soften the whole world with Your gentleness. Let there be no
enemies, no cause for triumphs. You will hand greater glory to our
leaders than war can bring." ~ Ovid Fasti 1.711-13


Today's thought is taken from the Golden Sentences of Democritus 18:

"He who admonishes a man that fancies he has intellect labors in
vain."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56818 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: My thanks.
SALVETE!

My thanks to senatrices Scholastica and Pompeia, tribunus Aquila, for
their greetings with my birthday occasion.
My friends, I'm honored by your kind words. Thank you very much.


VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56819 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: Past and current birthdays
P. Memmius Albucius Cos. Sabino omnibus Americanis s.d.

In the name of the aedilitas curulis, I am glad to wish a happy
birthday to Sabinus consul and a happy 4th July to all our American
Novaromans !!


Have fun and valete omnes cum familia !!



P. Memmius Albucius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56820 From: L. Salix Cicero (Neil) Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: Pompeii
Salvete,
 
 
Sad news indeed.
 
 
Valete
 
L. Salix Cicero
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56821 From: Maior Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: Re: a. d. V Nonas Quinctilias: Dies Natalis Consuli T. Iulii Sabini
M. Hortensia T. Iulio spd;
felicem diem natalis te opto, Sabine! Forgive my lateness but
the sentiment is just as sincere.
may the gods favour you always!
Maior



dies natalis T. Iulii Sabini Consulis.
> >> > Felices natalis, care Amice, teque bona Iuppiter auctet ope!>>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56822 From: Marco La Franca Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Pompeii

Ave amice

 

Actually these aren't completely sad news.

We knew already about the Pompei emergency, and in wich kind of shape  this archeological site has been kept.

So , its a good news that the governament has take over the control of it.

 

Vale

Marcus Apuleius Maritimus

--- Ven 4/7/08, L. Salix Cicero (Neil) <salixcicero@...> ha scritto:

Da: L. Salix Cicero (Neil) <salixcicero@...>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Pompeii
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: Venerdì 4 luglio 2008, 22:15

Salvete,
 
 
Sad news indeed.
 
 
Valete
 
L. Salix Cicero


Posta, news, sport, oroscopo: tutto in una sola pagina
Crea l'home page che piace a te!.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56823 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-04
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] A few words about the Novae festival.
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Cn. Cornelio Lentulo Omnibusque S.P.D.

>This is very important for the religio Romana, and shows our priority
crystal clearly,
>Nova Roma is the first place in the world for the
Roman religion and its followers.

This is one reason I am here.

>Our Republic is indeed in the best hands, Quirites, and this is good to know and see really and personally.

From what little I've seen so far, I wholeheartedly agree!

>Yes, Quirites, your Consul T. Iulius is most right: personal meetings
with Nova Roma citizens
>is fantastic moment in your life, and you will
have as good friends just like family members.
>For example, I knew T.
Sabinus for 5 years from e-mails, and it was a shocking feeling to see
>him in person, but I felt as if we had meet several times during these
years. This was inexpressible.

I agree completely with this sentiment as well. Here in southern Arizona, we are having a meeting of various Novi Romani on the 13th of July at a local Greek restaurant (the closest we could find to a Roman restaurant :-) ). It looks like we'll have 5 to 7 people attending; I'm excited!

>I was proud to be a citizen of our republic "to-be"!

I was, too (well, soon enough; my provisional citizenship period ends in a couple of weeks or so)! Consul Sabinus looked very dignified, as did everyone else.

May we have more wonderful events like this! They are a wonderful reflection on Nova Roma and its citizens!

Valete omnes!

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56824 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Quinctilias: POPLIFUGIA; feriae Iovi
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Bene omnibus nobis.

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Quinctilias; haec dies nefastus
piaculum est: POPLIFUGIA; feriae Iovi

Feriae Iovi

Without further explanation, the Fasti Amiternum notes this day as a
festival of Jupiter. Below we look at attitudes that Romans held in
prayer towards Jupiter. Beginning with Plautus in the early second
century BCE, we move in chronological order over a 400 year period.
In this time the religio Romana moved towards henotheism with Jupiter
Optimus Maximus as the central cosmological deity onto which other
national deities were assimilated through syncretism.

"O Iuppiter, who does cherish and nurture the human race, through
whom we live and draw the breath of being, in whom rest the hopes and
lives of all humankind, I beg you to grant that this day may prosper
that which I have in hand." ~ Plautus, Poenulus 1187-89

"O Jupiter Capitolinus, to You I pray, I entreat You, who the Roman
people have named Optimus after Your kindness and Maximus after Your
great power." ~ M. TulliusCicero, De Domo sua ad Pontifices 144

"Almighty Jupiter, who both engendered and fathered kings, things,
and gods, God of Gods, who are both One and All." ~ Valerius Soranus
FPL fr.4; Augustinus of Hippo, Civitas Dei 7.9

"There is a heavenly power and You do exist, O great Jupiter; not in
vain did we consecrate this seat to You, Father of Gods and Mankind."
~ Titus Livy 8.6.5

"Jupiter Capitolinus, Mars Gradivus called progenitor and aide of the
Romans, Vesta, perpetual guardian of fire, and whatever divine powers
in this greatness of Roman sovereignty, the largest empire on earth,
exulted to the highest dignity, to You the public voice calls to
witness and to pray: guard, preserve, and protect this state, this
peace, this prince, and those who succeed to the Senate, by their
long standing, determined worthy to consider the most grave matters
among mortals." ~ Vellius Paterculus II 131

"Hail, Child of the Mighty, Father of the Gods, whose divine power I
have heard from afar. In one moment my pool is blessed with
happiness, at another it is venerated, made holy by Your presence,
ever since I was granted to know that You are never far from me, and
was enabled to watch Your immortal radiance from a vicinity near my
abode." ~ Statius, Silvae I.1.74-78

"God Almighty, potent in all things, to Whom the aged Pole Star looks
upon with admiring wonder, revering Your agelessness, the One who is
always known by a thousand virtues, no one shall ever be able to
account their countless number or timelessness. Now be addressed, if
by any name Your dignity may be addressed, Holy One, be delighted,
Unknown One, for Whom mightiest Earth trembles and the wandering
stars halt their rapid course. You alone, though within Yourself are
You many, You are first, and You are last, and likewise are You in
between, arising above and outliving the very stars. For without end
Yourself, You bring ever-gliding time to an end. On high from
eternity You look upon the whirling course of Nature's certain Fate
and of lives taken into the intricate convolutions of time immemorial
only to be brought back once more and restored to their heavenly
vault, the world no doubt restored of those parts drawn off and will
have been lost, only once more for them to ebb back into the flow of
unending time. If indeed it is allowed to thoughtlessly direct one's
senses toward You and attempt to grasp Your holy splendor, whereby
You surround the immense vastness of the stars and embrace the far-
flung aether with Your likeness, perhaps Your image appears in the
momentary flash of lightning with limbs of flowing flames, in that
You are the Radiance, who enlightens all the world beneath You and
presses onward the sunlight into our days. In You are the entire
race of Gods. You are the invigorating cause of all things. You are
all of Nature, the One God innumerable. You are the generating power
in the totality of all sexual procreation. (You manifest in many
way), born once here as a God, born once here as a world, this home
of Gods and mankind, Lucent, majestic source of the starry field in
youthful bloom. Instill me with Your favoring breath, I pray, grant
to one willing to know, the manner in which You father the world.
Grant, Father, that I may come to know the august causes by which You
once wove all things together to form the physical world of matter,
and what texture of light, congruent and dissimilar, You once wove
into it, by which You animated the world with soul, and what it is
that is lively, by which the quick body lives." ~ Tiberianus IV

Dio Cassius confirmed in an indirect way that today celebrated a
feriae Iovis by telling how today came to be celebrated as the
birthday of Julius Caesar due to the start of the Ludi Apollinares on
6 July and carrying through 13 July; where Caesar's birthday is on 12
July:

"And they (the Second Triumviri) compelled everybody to celebrate his
birthday by wearing laurel and by merry-making, passing a law that
those who neglected these observances should be accursed in the sight
of Jupiter and of Caesar himself (sacer Iovi et Divio Iulio), and, in
the case of senators of senators' sons, that they should forfeit a
million sesterces. Now it happened that the Ludi Apollinares fell on
the same day, and they therefore voted that his birthday feast should
be celebrated on the previous day, on the ground that there was an
oracle of the Sibyl which forbade the holding of a festival on
Apollo's day to any god except Apollo." ~ Dio Cassius 47.18.5-6


Poplifugia

Two legends grew up to explain the Poplifugia, neither of which are
probably true. Interestingly both would seem to come from the Late
Fourth Century.

"The Poplifugia seems to have been named from the fact that on this
day the people suddenly fled in noisy confusion: for this day is not
much after the departure of the Gauls from the City, and the peoples
who were then near the City, such as the Ficuleans and Fidenians and
other neighbors, united against us. Several traces of this day's
flight appear in the sacrifices, of which the Libri Antiquitatim give
more information." ~ M. Terrentius Varro, Lingua Latinae 6.18

"The day (Romulus) vanished is called the Poplifugia and the Nonae
Caprotinae, because they go then out of the city and sacrifice at the
Goat's Marsh, and, as they go, they shout out some of the Roman
names, as Marcus, Lucius, Caius, imitating the way in which they then
fled and called upon one another in that fright and hurry." ~
Plutarch, Life of Romulus 29.2

Since the Poplifugia appears in capital letters on various fasti it
is assumed that this is a festival that goes back to Numa. From that
reasoning the two legendary explanations are therefore rejected by
modern scholars. However, the assumption that the "Numa calendar of
festivals" predates the Fourth Century is likely an erroneous
assumption. If anything, the Numa tradition would have begun with a
restoration that directly related to the Gallic sack of 390 BCE. The
legends of the assumption of Romulus at the Nonae Caprotivae, whereby
he was deified as Quirinus, apparently date to the Mid-Fourth
Century. It would therefore seem that Roman writers of the Late
Republic and Early Principate brought such Fourth Century legends
together with what was originally a Fourth Century ritual, although
this alone would not necessarily mean the ritual and such legends
were connected. From the little that is known of the Poplifugia, it
would appear that the populace left the City for the performance of a
lustratio around them, not unlike a lustratio as would be made around
a Roman legio. A parallel is found at Iguvium where a lustratio
populi saw heifers put to flight before they were recaptured and
sacrificed. At Athens, at the same time of year as the Poplifugia at
Rome, the Bouphonia saw a sacrifice to purify the populace where the
sacrificer fled from the scene after the sacrifice much like the Rex
Sacrorum at the Regifugium of February. At Rome it seems that the
populace itself fled from the sacrifice, as it was made on their
behalf and they were taking part in the ritual. Such rites relate to
the use of scapegoats the world over, and are generally employed in
purification rites intended to rid a city of disease during such
seasons when sickness is prevalent (Frazer, The Golden Bough 2.160
ff.). The heat of July and the prevalence of malaria around Rome
before the draining of marshlands would explain this ritual at this
time of year better than the legends we received. From that we may
then pose that the sacrifice was performed to the Di Inferni from
whom disease was thought to originate. This would be further
supported by the Ludi Apollonares that begin the following day, which
were introduced in response to a plague at this time of year.


AUC 696 / 57 BCE: M. Tullius Cicero reaches Brundisium on his return
from exile.


AUC 821 / 68 CE: On the third day before the Nones of July for the
birth of the diva Matidia a supplication. ~ Fasti Duro Europa

Salonina Matidia was the daughter of Ulpia Marciana, and thus the
niece of Trajan. At age ten her father, Praetor G. Saloninus
Matidius Patruinus, died and she and her mother went to live with
Trajan. With no children of his own Trajan treated Matidia as his
daughter. She traveled with the Emperor and was one of his
counselors. Matidia first married L. Vibius Sabinus, by which she
had two daughter. Matidia's younger daughter, Vibia Sabina, married
Hadrian. Vibius Sabinus died sometime after 86 CE and Matidia next
married L. Scribonius Libo Rupilio Frugi who became consul in 88 CE.
She had two more daughters by Rupilio; Rupilia Faustina married
Consul M. Annius Verus and Rupilia Annia married Consul L. Fundanius
Lamia Aelianus. On 29 August 112 Matidia was named Augusta. After
her death in 119 CE, her son-in-law and second cousin, Hadrian, gave
her funeral oration and had Matidia deified. He built a Temple of
Matidia north-east of the Pantheon, which he commemorated on one of
his coins.


Today's thought is from Sextus 60:

"To live, indeed, is not in our power, but to live rightly is."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56825 From: calaco4life Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Has anyone got the Caesar Games?
:-/Has anyone got the Caesar Games by Sierra and Tilted Mill Entertainment? I've got Caesar II and Caesar IV. For some reason, every time I place a Trade Port for Caralis, the game freezes (I'm on the Genoa city in the Kingdom period). If anyone had this problem but managed to stop it, can they help me please tell me how to stop the game freezing? I'd be really grateful!;)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56826 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Re: Past and current birthdays
SALVE ET SALVETE!
 
Thank you very much, amice.
 
I join Memmius Albucius wishing a happy 4th July to all our novi romani from USA.
 
VALE ET VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
P. Memmius Albucius Cos. Sabino omnibus Americanis s.d.

In the name of the aedilitas curulis, I am glad to wish a happy
birthday to Sabinus consul and a happy 4th July to all our American
Novaromans !!

Have fun and valete omnes cum familia !!

P. Memmius Albucius




"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56827 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Re: a. d. V Nonas Quinctilias: Dies Natalis Consuli T. Iulii Sabini
SALVE!
 
Thank you very much. All the best to you, amica.
 
VALE BENE,
IVL SABINVS

Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
M. Hortensia T. Iulio spd;
felicem diem natalis te opto, Sabine! Forgive my lateness but
the sentiment is just as sincere.
may the gods favour you always!
Maior

dies natalis T. Iulii Sabini Consulis.
> >> > Felices natalis, care Amice, teque bona Iuppiter auctet ope!>>




"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56828 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Lord Apollo, 7/5/2008, 12:00 pm
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Lord Apollo
 
Date:   Saturday July 5, 2008
Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every month on the first Saturday.
Notes:   Apollo is worshiped by many, including Romans. His most famous temple, the now-ruined Temple of Delphi, is once each week, at dawn on Sunday, the geographic axis of "Kyklos Apollon". At that time-Delphi dawn-we may perform the brief, potent ritual delineated in the group site. We may perform some other gesture, perhaps as simple as a nod of acknowledgment, a quick libation poured from a cup. But for this one moment, as the Sun first shines upon the ancient columns, we are together. Even though we are few, and scattered across the world, we are in that one moment *together*, a great Kyklos in the light of Apollon.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KyklosApollon/ Hint: If you set your membership to "Special Notices", you will get only the group reminders with the correct sunrise time at Delphi each week.



"Hestia, you who tend the holy house of the lord Apollo, the Far-shooter at goodly Pytho, with soft oil dripping ever from your locks, come now into this house, come, having one mind with Zeus the all-wise -- draw near, and withal bestow grace upon my song." (Homeric Hymns - XXIV)

"We ask the blessing of ancient Hecate, faithful and awesome, daughter of the Titans Coeus and gold-crowned Phoebe. 'Great honor comes full easily to him whose prayers the goddess receives favorably'" (Hesiod, Theogony - VII)

"Lord Apollo, How, then, shall I sing of you... who in all ways are a worthy theme of song?" (Homeric Hymn: to Delian Apollo)
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56829 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Your citizen photo, 7/5/2008, 12:00 pm
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Your citizen photo
 
Date:   Saturday July 5, 2008
Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
Notes:   Citizens! You can update or change your photo in the Album Civium and on the website by following the instructions here: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/NovaRoma:Submit_Citizen_Photo
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56830 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Re: R: [Nova-Roma] A few words about the Novae festival.

Cn. Lentulus Cn. Caelio sal.


>>> Here in southern Arizona, we are having a meeting of various Novi Romani on the 13th of July at a local Greek restaurant (the closest we could find to a Roman restaurant :-) ). It looks like we'll have 5 to 7 people attending; I'm excited! <<<



That indeed sounds wonderful! Congratulations! Just don't forget to make photos of the event and then to put them into the NR website. We need some visible evidence about our real presence in the world, so we need every photo of NR events.

Don't forget to make them!!! :-)

>I was proud to be a citizen of our republic "to-be"!


>>> I was, too (well, soon enough; my provisional citizenship period ends in a couple of weeks or so)! <<<



Your citizenship will be dated from the day you had applied. So, from a future viewpoint, you are already a full right citizen.


>>> May we have more wonderful events like this! They are a wonderful reflection on Nova Roma and its citizens! <<<



We do have them! Such is yours, it is one, and such is the 4th NR Reenactment Camp in Szolnok, Pannonia province, from tomorrow, and  such will be 5 or 6 or even more NR events in Hungary.

Cura, ut valeas!




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Crea l'home page che piace a te!.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56831 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Summer edition of the Aquila
Salvete Nova Romans

I would like to congratulate Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus for the
Summer edition of the Aquila.

Well done!

I received it in the mail today and he has done a fine job of bring back a
printed version of the Aquila. I would encourage anybody who would like to
write something for the Aquila to send it to him ASAP. I can�t wait for the
next
installment of our �official newsletter�.

I would also like to thank Senator Audens for providing the subscribers of
the
Aquila with some superb back issues. I will be enjoying them for some time
to come.

Again thank you Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus for a job well done


Valete Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56832 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Europa Universalis: Rome Game
Salve,

Virtual Programming on Friday unveiled Europa Universalis: Rome, a stand-alone game built on the Europa Universalis 3 engine, spanning the history of the Roman Empire from the first Punic War to the start of the empire. The game features a great deal of custom gameplay choices, such as country, culture, provincial, and character settings, offering unique experiences every time. Europa Universalis is available as a direct download for $40. It is for Macintosh!!!

http://www.vpltd.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=222

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus
Curator SVR

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56833 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Re: Has anyone got the Caesar Games?
P. Memmius Albucius Calaconi s.d.

This is not normal.

To be sure, I have re-made quickly the campaign, and I have no problem
when settling in Genoa : I can "open a trade route" with Caralis, and,
just after that, build a harbor, and, a few minutes after can see
vessels coming to fetch the potteries that I have previously made and
stored in my storehouse.

Go to the Caesar IV forums managed by Sierra, specially at home
technical support pages at :

http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?
s=60a2a8308496ee4b0e92edddd5417727&f=30

You may find there other experiences and maybe solutions (I have no one
personally here). There is specially there a "Game crashing/freezing"
trend fed up today.

Good luck !


P. Memmius Albucius
aed. cur.




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "calaco4life" <calaco4life@...> wrote:
>
> [:-/] Has anyone got the Caesar Games by Sierra and Tilted Mill
> Entertainment? I've got Caesar II and Caesar IV. For some reason,
every
> time I place a Trade Port for Caralis, the game freezes (I'm on the
> Genoa city in the Kingdom period). If anyone had this problem but
> managed to stop it, can they help me please tell me how to stop the
game
> freezing? I'd be really grateful! [;)]
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56834 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: EDICTVM DE LVDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI A.V.C.

Ex Officio Praetor Urbanus and Praetor Peregrinus Novæ Romæ

EDICTVM DE LVDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI A.V.C.

1. According to the Official Calendar of Nova Roma festivals, from July 6th to July 13th, the Ludi Apollinares will be celebrated.
2. The celebration will be held in honor of Apollo. The contests are organized by both Praetores and the Praetorian Cohors.
3. We, the Praetor Urbanus, the Praetor Peregrinus and our Cohors, have the honor to present the Ludi Apollinares program:

I July 6th:

- Opening.
- Religious Celebrations.

 II July 7th to 12:

- History.
- Photo, video, and historic contests.

II July 13th:

- Results and closing ceremony.

4 The Photo and Video Contest will consist of making a photo or video using one of the themes below (only original entries will be accepted):

a) Apollo.
b) Open door lunch or dinner. (A tradition during the Ludi Apollinares was to have lunch or dinner with open doors).

5 The Certamen Historicum will be about the Punic Wars. The questions will be displayed in two groups: one group of 10 questions on Monday 7th June evening, a second group of 15 questions on the evening of Tuesday 8th.
The answers are to be sent to: praetores.novaroma2008@...
Before
- Thursday 10th 20:30 Rome time for Monday set;
- Friday 11th 20:30 Rome time for Tuesday set.
You can note that you have one additional day to answer the second group of questions, which counts more questions.

6 There will be a single jury for both contests. The members of the jury will be Consul T. Iulius Sabinus, Censor K. Fabius Buteo Modianus, and Aedile Curulis P. Memmius Albucius.

7 The winners of the Photo and Video Contest and the Certamen Historicum, will be presented with the Corona Ludi Humanitas. Being this year, consecrated to Dea Concordia, the year of Nova Roma’s 10th anniversary, the Praetores will exceptionally use the same award as in the Aedilician Ludi, to reinforce the concept of unity of all Nova Romans.
7 This Edictum takes force immediately.

Given by our hands, a.d. III Non. Quin. M. Moravio T. Iulio cos. MMDCCLXI a.V.c.

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
PRÆTOR VRBANVS

MARCVS IVLIVS SEVERVS
PRÆTOR PEREGRINVS


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56835 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Re: Has anyone got the Caesar Games?
Before I moved on to Roma Victor, I also played a lot of Caesar IV. I
even wrote some new scenarios for it, but due to a computer crash,
they never made it into widespread release.

I concur with the advice to check the support forum at tiltedmill.com,
as I recall the port crash bug being fairly common. Make sure you have
the latest patches for the game, and the most up to date sound and
video drivers for your hardware.

Vale,



On 7/5/08, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
> P. Memmius Albucius Calaconi s.d.
>
> This is not normal.
>
> To be sure, I have re-made quickly the campaign, and I have no problem
> when settling in Genoa : I can "open a trade route" with Caralis, and,
> just after that, build a harbor, and, a few minutes after can see
> vessels coming to fetch the potteries that I have previously made and
> stored in my storehouse.
>
> Go to the Caesar IV forums managed by Sierra, specially at home
> technical support pages at :
>
> http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?
> s=60a2a8308496ee4b0e92edddd5417727&f=30
>
> You may find there other experiences and maybe solutions (I have no one
> personally here). There is specially there a "Game crashing/freezing"
> trend fed up today.
>
> Good luck !
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> aed. cur.
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "calaco4life" <calaco4life@...> wrote:
> >
> > [:-/] Has anyone got the Caesar Games by Sierra and Tilted Mill
> > Entertainment? I've got Caesar II and Caesar IV. For some reason,
> every
> > time I place a Trade Port for Caralis, the game freezes (I'm on the
> > Genoa city in the Kingdom period). If anyone had this problem but
> > managed to stop it, can they help me please tell me how to stop the
> game
> > freezing? I'd be really grateful! [;)]
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56836 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-05
Subject: Pridie Nonas Quinctilias: Fortuna Muliebris; Ludi Apollinares
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Bonam habete Fortunam.

Hodie est die pristine Nonas Quinctilias; haec dies nefastus est:
Ludi Apollini commituntur; Cancer medius occidit, calor.

AUC 262 / 487 BCE: Victory of the Roman Matrons over Coriolanus and
the dedication of the Temple of Fortuna Muliebris

"Then the matrons went in a body to Veturia, the mother of
Coriolanus, and Volumnia his wife. Whether this was in consequence of
a decree of the senate, or simply the prompting of womanly fear, I am
unable to ascertain, but at all events they succeeded in inducing the
aged Veturia to go with Volumnia and her two little sons to the
enemies' camp. As men were powerless to protect the City by their
arms, the women sought to do so by their tears and prayers. On their
arrival at the camp a message was sent to Coriolanus that a large
body of women were present. He had remained unmoved by the majesty of
the State in the persons of its ambassadors, and by the appeal made
to his eyes and mind in the persons of its priests; he was still more
obdurate to the tears of the women. Then one of his friends, who had
recognised Veturia, standing between her daughter-in-law and her
grandsons, and conspicuous amongst them all in the greatness of her
grief, said to him, "Unless my eyes deceive me, your mother and wife
and children are here." Coriolanus, almost like one demented, sprung
from his seat to embrace his mother. She, changing her tone from
entreaty to anger, said, "Before I admit your embrace suffer me to
know whether it is to an enemy or a son that I have come, whether it
is as your prisoner or as your mother that I am in your camp. Has a
long life and an unhappy old age brought me to this, that I have to
see you an exile and from that an enemy? Had you the heart to ravage
this land, which has borne and nourished you? However hostile and
menacing the spirit in which you came, did not your anger subside as
you entered its borders? Did you not say to yourself when your eye
rested on Rome, 'Within those walls are my home, my household gods,
my mother, my wife, my children?' Must it then be that, had I
remained childless, no attack would have been made on Rome; had I
never had a son, I should have ended my days a free woman in a free
country? But there is nothing which I can suffer now that will not
bring more disgrace to you than wretchedness to me; whatever
unhappiness awaits me it will not be for long. Look to these, whom,
if you persist in your present course, an untimely death awaits, or a
long life of bondage." When she ceased, his wife and children
embraced him, and all the women wept and bewailed their own and their
country's fate. At last his resolution gave way. He embraced his
family and dismissed them, and moved his camp away from the City.
After withdrawing his legions from the Roman territory, he is said to
have fallen a victim to the resentment which his action aroused, but
as to the time and circumstances of his death the traditions vary. I
find in Fabius, who is by far the oldest authority, that he lived to
be an old man; he relates a saying of his, which he often uttered in
his later years, that it is not till a man is old that he feels the
full misery of exile. The Roman husbands did not grudge their wives
the glory they had won, so completely were their lives free from the
spirit of detraction and envy. A temple was built and dedicated to
Fortuna Muliebris, to serve as a memorial of their deed." ~ Titus
Livius 2.40


AUC 541 / 212 BCE: Ludi Apollinares instituted.

During the Second Punic War, following Hannibal' stunning victories
at Lake Transimene and Cannae, his capture of Tarentum, and then
while campaigning in Campania, the Romans consulted a newly
discovered prophecy.

"Subsequently the need of fresh religious observances was brought to
[the Senate's] notice in consequence of the prophetic utterances of
Marcius. This Marcius was a famous seer and his prophecies had come
to light the previous year when by order of the senate an inspection
was made of all books of a similar character. They first came into
the hands of M. Aemilius who, as City praetor, was in charge of the
business, and he at once handed them to the new praetor, Sulla. One
of the two referred to events which had already happened before it
saw the light, and the authority thus acquired by its fulfillment
gained more credence for the other, which had yet to be fulfilled. In
the first the disaster of Cannae was foretold in words to this effect:


"Thou who art sprung from Trojan blood, beware
The stream by Canna. Let not aliens born
Force thee to battle on the fatal plain
Of Diomed. But thou wilt give no heed
To this my rede until that all the plain
Be watered by thy blood, and mighty hosts
The stream shall bear into the boundless deep
From off the fruitful earth, and they who till
Its soil shall be for food to birds and beasts
And fishes. Such is Great Jove's word to me."

"Those who had fought there recognized the truth of the description-
the plains of Argive Diomed and the river Canna and the very picture
of the disaster. Then the second prophecy was read. It was not only
more obscure than the first because the future is more uncertain than
the past, but it was also more unintelligible owing to its
phraseology. It ran as follows:


"If, Romans, ye would drive the foemen forth
Who come from far to mar your land, then see
That Games be held as each fourth year comes round
In honour of Apollo and your State
Shall bear its part and all your folk shall share
The holy work, each for himself and his.
Your praetor, who shall justice do for each
And all, shall have the charge. Then let there be
Ten chosen who shall offer sacrifice
In Grecian fashion. This if ye will do
Then shall ye evermore rejoice and all
Your State shall prosper; yea, the god shall bring
Your foes to nought, who now eat up your land."

"They spent one day interpreting this prophecy. The day following,
the Senate passed a resolution that the Decemviri sacris faciundis
should inspect the Sibylline Oracles with reference to the
institution of Games to Apollo and the proper form of sacrifice.
After they had made their investigations and reported to the Senate,
a resolution was passed 'that Games be vowed and celebrated in honour
of Apollo, and that when they were finished, 12,000 ases were to be
given to the praetor for the expenses of the sacrifice and two
victims of large size.' A second resolution was passed that 'the
Decemviri sacris faciundis should sacrifice according to Greek ritual
the following victims: to Apollo, an ox with gilded horns and two
white she-goats with gilded horns, and to Latona a heifer with gilded
horns.' When the praetor was about to celebrate the Games in the
Circus Maximus he gave notice that during the Games the people should
contribute a gift to Apollo, according to each man's convenience.
Such is the origin of the Apollinarian Games, which were instituted
for the cause of victory and not, as is generally thought, in the
interests of the public health. The people wore garlands whilst
witnessing them, the matrons offered up intercessions; feasting went
on in the forecourts of the houses with open doors, and the day was
observed with every kind of ceremonious rite." ~ Titus Livius 25.12


"Several portents had been announced, and the omens drawn from the
sacrificial victims were mostly unfavourable. News came from Campania
that two temples in Capua - those of Fortune and Mars - as well as
several sepulchral monuments had been struck by lightning. To such an
extent does a depraved superstition see the work of the Gods in the
most insignificant trifles, that it was seriously reported that rats
had gnawed the gold in the temple of Jupiter in Cumae. At Casinum a
swarm of bees had settled in the forum; at Ostia a gate and part of
the wall had been struck by lightning; at Caere a vulture had flown
into the temple of Jupiter, and at Vulsinii the waters of the lake
had run with blood. In consequence of these portents a day of special
intercession was ordered. For several days full-grown victims had
been sacrificed without giving any propitious indications, and it was
long before the Pax Deorum, "peace of the Gods," could be secured. It
was on the heads of the consuls that the direful mischance
prognosticated by these portents fell, the State remained unharmed.
The Games of Apollo had been celebrated for the first time in the
consulship of Q. Fulvius and Appius Claudius under the
superintendence of the City praetor, P. Cornelius Sulla. Subsequently
all the City praetors celebrated them in turn, but they used to vow
them for one year only, and there was no fixed day for their
celebration. This year a serious epidemic attacked both the City and
the country districts, but it resulted more frequently in protracted
than in fatal illness. In consequence of this epidemic special
intercessions were appointed at all the chapels throughout the City,
and P. Licinius Varus, the City praetor, was instructed to propose a
measure to the people providing that the Games of Apollo should
always be celebrated on the same day. He was the first to celebrate
them under this rule, and the day fixed for their celebration was
July 5th, which was henceforth observed as the day." ~ Titus Livius
27.23

This first day of the Ludi Apollinares was celebrated with chariot
races in the Circus Maximus.


Our thought for today is from Demophilus, Pythagorean Sentences 13.

"If you are always careful to remember that in whatever place either
your soul or body accomplishes any deed, Divinity is present as an
inspector of your conduct; in all your words and actions you will
venerate the presence of an inspector from whom nothing can be
concealed, and will, at the same time, possess Divinity as an
intimate associate."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56837 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-06
Subject: AT Intermediate Latin
AT Intermediate Latin
A. Tullia Scholastica quirítibus, sociís, peregrínísque bonae voluntátis S.P.D.

    Congratulations are in order for Jano Mladonicky and A. Horatius Severus, both of whom have just completed Grammatica Latína II with very fine marks.  It should also be noted that neither is a native speaker of English, nor do I speak, read, or write the native language of either, but they persevered in a course using a textbook in English under the direction of an English-speaking teacher...and acquitted themselves very well indeed.  They should serve as examples for all of us.  

    The next run of Grammatica Latína II, Intermediate Wheelock Latin, will begin on Monday, September 8th, 2008.  All prospective students must have successfully completed Grammatica Latína I, Sermó Latínus I, II, or combined Sermó Latínus I and II, or an equivalent university-level course covering the Wheelock text, Lessons I-XXII or the equivalent in a traditional text.  In addition, all students MUST possess the textbook (Wheelock, Sixth Edition, Revised by LaFleur) before entering the course.  This text is readily available at college bookstores and elsewhere in the US, and presumably in other English-speaking countries, and not impossible to locate in Europe, though it may be more difficult to obtain outside of Europe and North America.  Those wishing to take this course must order the text soon enough that it is in hand before the start of class.  Those who have an identity with the AT and who have the text may proceed to enroll after about a week when I set the course to accept new students; my current GL I students have dibs on the best places and already have identities and the textbook.  The site is almost completely prepared for new students; once the finishing touches have been completed, GL I will move over, and others will be invited to do so.  Once GL I has moved, the rest of that site will be prepared, and other students admitted to introductory Latin.  They, too, however, must have an AT identity, and MUST have the textbook in hand BEFORE the beginning of class on September 15th,  2008.  There are no other prerequisites for Grammatica Latína I.  

    To summarize, within a few days, registration in INTERMEDIATE LATIN ONLY will begin in a few days, but one must have the text in hand and contact me for the enrollment key.  Shortly thereafter, registration in INTRODUCTORY LATIN will begin, but all prospective students MUST have the text in hand before the start of class on September 15th, and contact me for the new enrollment key.  It should be noted that our courses are quite rigorous, requiring weekly written homework and, in the case of the traditional Grammatica courses, memorization of vocabulary and grammatical forms.  Not everyone survives.  

Valete.

    

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56838 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-07-06
Subject: Re: Summer edition of the Aquila
Avete omnes;

On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
> Salvete Nova Romans
>
> I would like to congratulate Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus for the
> Summer edition of the Aquila.
>
> Well done!
>
> [excision]
>
> I would also like to thank Senator Audens for providing the subscribers of
> the Aquila with some superb back issues. I will be enjoying them for some time
> to come.
>
> Again thank you Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus for a job well done
>
> Valete Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>

I usually don't do "me, too"s, but, Me, Too!

Thank you both. I had faith that "Aquila" would fly again.

valete - Venator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56839 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-06
Subject: EDICTVM DE LVDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI A.V.C-ESPAÑOL

Ex Officio Praetor Urbanus et Praetor Peregrinus Novæ Romæ

EDICTVM DE LVDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI A.V.C.

1. Conforme al Calendario Oficial de las Festividades de Nova Roma, se llevarán a cabo los Ludi Apollinares, a partir de hoy, 6 de julio y hasta el 13 de julio.

2. La celebración está consagrada a Apolo. Los concursos correspondientes son organizados por ambos Praetores y la Cohors Praetoriana.

3. Nosotros, el Praetor Urbanus, el Praetor Peregrinus y nuestra Cohors, tenemos el honor de anunciar los Ludi Apollinares conforme al siguiente programa:

 

I- 6 de julio:

- Inauguración.

- Ceremonias religiosas.

II- 7 al 12 de julio:

- Historia.

- Concurso de Fotografía y Video.

- Certamen Historicum.

III- 13 de julio:

- Resultados finales y ceremonia de clausura.

 

4. El Concurso de Fotografía y Video consistirá en tomar una fotografía o realizar un video acerca de uno de los temas abajo especificados (sólo se aceptarán trabajos originales):

 

a) Apolo.

b) Comida a puertas abiertas. (Durante los Ludi Apollinares, era tradicional comer con las puertas abiertas, es decir, en público).

 

5. El Certamen Historicum será acerca de las Guerras Púnicas. Las preguntas serán distribuidas en dos grupos: uno, de 10 preguntas, será dado a conocer en lunes 7 por la tarde; el segundo, el martes 8 por la tarde.

Las respuestas deben ser enviadas a: praetores.novaroma2008@...

Antes de:

- Miércoles 9, a las 20:30 hora de Roma, para el grupo del lunes;

- Viernes 11, a las 20:30 hora de Roma, para el grupo del martes.

Como se darán cuenta, tienen un día adicional para responder el segundo grupo de preguntas, que es más amplio.

6. Habrá un solo jurado para ambos concursos, integrado por el Cónsul T. Iulius Sabinus, el Censor K. Fabius Buteo Modianusm y el Aedile Curulis P. Memmius Albucius.

7. Los ganadores del Concurso de Fotografía y Video y del Certamen Historicum, recibirán la Corona Ludi Humanitas. Al ser este un año consagrado a la Diosa Concordia , en el décimo aniversario de Nova Roma, los Praetores otorgarán, de manera excepcional, la misma presea que fue conferida en los Ludi edilicios, para reforzar el concepto de la unidad de todos los novorromanos.

8. Este Edicto entra en vigor de inmediato.

Dado de manos nuestras, a.d. III Non. Quin. M. Moravio T. Iulio cos. MMDCCLXI a.V.c.

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
PRÆTOR VRBANVS

MARCVS IVLIVS SEVERVS
PRÆTOR PEREGRINVS


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56840 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-06
Subject: EDICTVM DE LVDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI A.V.C.-CORRECTED VERSION

(This edictum has been corrected in the dates for submitting entries to the Certamen Historicum, as well as in its numerals.)

****************************************************************

Ex Officio Praetor Urbanus and Praetor Peregrinus Novæ Romæ

EDICTVM DE LVDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI A.V.C.

1. According to the Official Calendar of Nova Roma festivals, from July 6th to July 13th, the Ludi Apollinares will be celebrated.
2. The celebration will be held in honor of Apollo. The contests are organized by both Praetores and the Praetorian Cohors.
3. We, the Praetor Urbanus, the Praetor Peregrinus and our Cohors, have the honor to present the Ludi Apollinares program:

I July 6th:

- Opening.
- Religious Celebrations.

 II July 7th to 12:

- History.
- Photo, video, and historic contests.

II July 13th:

- Results and closing ceremony.

4 The Photo and Video Contest will consist of making a photo or video using one of the themes below (only original entries will be accepted):

a) Apollo.
b) Open door lunch or dinner. (A tradition during the Ludi Apollinares was to have lunch or dinner with open doors).

5 The Certamen Historicum will be about the Punic Wars. The questions will be displayed in two groups: one group of 10 questions on Monday 7th June evening, a second group of 15 questions on the evening of Tuesday 8th.
The answers are to be sent to: praetores.novaroma2008@...
Before
- Wednesday 10th 20:30 Rome time for Monday set;
- Friday 11th 20:30 Rome time for Tuesday set.
You can note that you have one additional day to answer the second group of questions, which counts more questions.

6 There will be a single jury for both contests. The members of the jury will be Consul T. Iulius Sabinus, Censor K. Fabius Buteo Modianus, and Aedile Curulis P. Memmius Albucius.

7 The winners of the Photo and Video Contest and the Certamen Historicum, will be presented with the Corona Ludi Humanitas. Being this year, consecrated to Dea Concordia, the year of Nova Roma’s 10th anniversary, the Praetores will exceptionally use the same award as in the Aedilician Ludi, to reinforce the concept of unity of all Nova Romans.
8 This Edictum takes force immediately.

Given by our hands, a.d. III Non. Quin. M. Moravio T. Iulio cos. MMDCCLXI a.V.c.

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
PRÆTOR VRBANVS

MARCVS IVLIVS SEVERVS
PRÆTOR PEREGRINVS


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56841 From: Ian McKay Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: "Roman Times Quarterly" --2nd Qtr. -- 2008
Ladies and Gentlemen of Nova Roma;

I should like to present to you the subject publication for your enjoyment.  The publication has been posted at:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Roman_Times_Quarterly

for me by Senator Agricola.

For the new people in Nova Roma, there are three current publications being published in the U.S. for Nova Roma.  The first , of course, is the "Aquila" which was earlier announced by the "Aquila" Editor Senator Modianus.  The other two are the "Roman Times Quarterly" and the "Pilum Quarterly" which is put together by myself as part of my duties as the Editor Senoris of Nova Roma.

Currently, there is discussion going on in regard to allowing those who may wish to subscribe to either of these publications, may do so.  When a final decision is reached I shall be most pleased to make you acquainted with any information to that effect.

You are all invited to post an article, message, poem, recipe, or other piece of writing in either of the newsletters.  The "Roman Times" is devoted to general information/news and the "Pilum" is devoted to Roman military discussion and topics.

I hope that you will enjoy the newsletter, and the "Pilum" will be placed and announced as soon as it can be taken care of.

Respectfully Submitted for your enjoyment;

Yours In Nova Roma;

Marcus Audens
All to seek is a tall, tall ship, and a star to steer her by!!!! http://livinghistoryengineer.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56842 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: NONAE CAPROTINAE: The Assumption of Romulus
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Juno Caprotia nos complectatur dulce.

Hodie est Nonae Caprotinae; haec dies nefastus est: Ludi Apollini;
Iunonis Caprotinae; ancillarum feriae

Felices natalis, Publi Moravi Brenne! Di Deaeque te bene ament.

AUC 37 / 716 BCE: The Assumption of Romulus

"Romulus was offering a public sacrifice outside the CityÂ…in the
presence of the Senate and most of the people, when suddenly there
was a great commotion in the air, and a cloud descended to the earth
bringing with it great blasts of wind and rain. The throng of common
folk took flight in fear, and Romulus disappeared, never to be seen
again dead or alive." ~ Plutarch, Life of Numa 2.1-2

There's a place the ancients called the She-goat's Marsh: You chanced
to be judging the people there, Romulus. The sun vanished, and rising
clouds obscured the sky, and a heavy shower of torrential rain fell.
Then it thundered. Then the sky was split by lightning: All fled, and
the king rose to the stars behind his father's horses. There was
mourning, senators were falsely charged with murder, and perhaps that
belief might have stuck in people's minds, but Julius Proculus was
travelling from Alba Longa, with the moon shining, and having no need
of a torch, when suddenly the hedge to his left moved and shook: So
that he drew back a step, his hair bristling. It seemed to him that
Romulus, handsome, more than human, And finely dressed, stood there,
in the centre of the road, saying: 'Prevent the Quirites from
mourning me, and profaning my divinity by their tears: Let the pious
crowds bring incense and propitiate the new God Quirinus, and
cultivate their father's art of war.' So he commanded and vanished
into thin air: Proculus gathered the people and reported the command.
Temples were built for the god, the hill named for him, and on
certain days the ancestral rites are re-enacted." ~ Ovidius Naso,
Fasti 491-512


Juno Caprotia

"This day is called the Nones Caprotinae because on this day, in
Latiun, the women offer sacrifice to Juno Caprotina, which they do
under a caprificus (wild-fig) tree. They use a branch from the fig
tree. Why this was done, the toga praetexta presented to them at the
Ludi Apollinares enlightened the People." ~ M. Terrentius Varro,
Lingua Latinae 6.18

Plutarch, Roman Questions 57:

"Why do women that sacrifice to Rumina pour milk over the offerings,
but make no oblation of wine in the ceremony? Is it because the
Latins call the teat `ruma', and assert that Ruminalis acquired its
name inasmuch as the she-wolf offered its teat to Romulus?
Therefore, as we call wet-nurses thelonai from thele (teat), even so
Rumina is she that gives suck, the nurse and nurturer of children;
she does not, therefore, welcome pure wine, since it is harmful for
babes.

"Some, however, say this was not in imitation of a flight, but of a
quick and hasty onset, referring it to the following occasion: After
the Gauls who had taken Rome were driven out by Camillus, and the
city was scarcely as yet recovering her strength, many of the Latins,
under the command of Livius Postumius, took this time to march
against her. Postumius, halting not far from Rome, sent a herald,
signifying that the Latins were desirous to renew their former
alliance and affinity (that was now almost decayed) by contracting
new marriages between both nations; if, therefore, they would send
forth a good number of their virgins and widows, they should have
peace and friendship, such as the Sabines had formerly had on the
like conditions. The Romans, hearing this, dreaded a war, yet thought
a surrender of their women little better than mere captivity. Being
in this doubt, a servant-maid called Philotis (or, as some say,
Tutola), advised them to do neither, but, by a stratagem, avoid both
fighting and the giving up of such pledges. The stratagem was this,
that they should send herself, with other well looking servant-maids,
to the enemy, in the dress of free-born virgins, and she should in
the night light up a fire signal, at which the Romans should come
armed and surprise them asleep. The Latins were thus deceived, and
accordingly Philotis set up a torch in a wild fig-tree, screening it
behind with curtains and coverlets from the sight of the enemy, while
visible to the Romans. They, when they saw it, eagerly ran out of the
gates, calling in their haste to each other as they went out, and so,
falling in unexpectedly upon the enemy, they defeated them, and upon
that made a feast of triumph, called the Nonae Caprotinae, because of
the wild fig-tree, called by the Romans Caprificus, or the goat-fig.
They feast the women without the city in arbours made of fig-tree
boughs, and the maid-servants gather together and run about playing;
afterwards they fight in sport, and throw stones one at another, in
memory that they then aided and assisted the Roman men in fight. ~
Plutarch, Life of Romulus 29.3-6

"They say that the Latins, either as a pretext for war, or because
they really wished to revive the ancient affinity between the two
peoples, sent and demanded from the Romans free-born virgins in
marriage. The Romans were in doubt what to do, for they dreaded war
in their unsettled and unrestored condition, and yet they suspected
that this demand for wives was really a call for hostages disguised
under the specious name of intermarriage. In their perplexity, a
serving-maid named Tutula, or, as some call her, Philotis, advised
the magistrates to send her to the enemy with some maid-servants of
the comeliest sort and most genteel appearance, all arrayed like free-
born brides; she would attend to the rest. The magistrates yielded to
her persuasions, chose out as many maid-servants as she thought meet
for her purpose, arrayed them in fine raiment and gold, and handed
them over to the Latins, who were encamped near the city. In the
night, the rest of the maidens stole away the enemy's swords, while
Tutula, or Philotis, climbed a wild fig-tree of great height, and
after spreading out her cloak behind her, held out a lighted torch
towards Rome, this being the signal agreed upon between her and the
magistrates, though no other citizen knew of it. Hence it was that
the soldiers sallied out of the city tumultuously, as the magistrates
urged them on, calling out one another's names, and with much ado
getting into rank and file. They stormed the entrenchments of the
enemy, who were fast asleep and expecting nothing of the sort,
captured their camp, and slew most of them. This happened on the
Nones of what was then called Quintilis, now July, and the festival
since held on that day is in remembrance of the exploit. For, to
begin with, they run out of the city gate in throngs, calling out
many local and common names, such as Gaius, Marcus, Lucius, and the
like, in imitation of the way the soldiers once called aloud upon
each other in their haste. Next, the maid-servants, in gay attire,
run about jesting and joking with the men they met. They have a mock
battle, too, with one another, implying that they once took a hand in
the struggle with the Latins. And as they feast, they sit in the
shade of a fig-tree's branches. The day is called the 'Capratine
Nones,' from the wild fig-tree, as they suppose, from which the maid
held forth her torch; this goes by the name of caprificus.

"But others say that most of what is said and done at this festival
has reference to the fate of Romulus. p181For on this same day he
vanished from sight, outside the city gates, in sudden darkness and
tempest, and, as some think, during an eclipse of the sun. The day,
they say, is called the "Capratine Nones" from the spot where he thus
vanished. For the she-goat goes by the name of capra, and Romulus
vanished from sight while haranguing an assembly of the people at the
Goat's Marsh, as has been stated in his Life." ~ Plutarch, Life of
Camillus 33.2-7


The second day of the Ludi Apollinares was celebrated with a
sacrifice to Consus and with chariot races in the Circus Maximus.

"Apollo Soranus, Highest of the Gods, Holy Guardian of Mount Soracte,
we who are foremost among Your worshippers, for You we set to flame
the piled pine-wood, and Your worshippers, piously trusting our faith
in You among the fires, press our step across the glowing embers.
Grant, Father Almighty, that by our arms we may erase this disgrace.
No plunder did I seek, no trophy to win from virgins, or any spoils;
my fame shall follow from my feats. But while this dire plague
strikes me with illness, inglorious I must return to the cities of
our fathers." ~ P. Vergilius Maro, Aeneid 11.785-93


Palibus duobus

"Great Pales, in memory of You we sing, shepherd of Amphrysis, and
all of you who come from forests and streams on mount Lycaeus in
Arcadia." ~ Virgil Georg. 3.1-2

At Rome Pales was identified as male by some and as female by other
writers. Servius' comment on the passage in Virgil above notes Pales
as a Goddess, as with Ovid. Varro, along with the rest of our
sources, specifies Pales as being male. Outside Rome, as with most
other Italian deities, Pales was a pair of deities, one male and the
other female. This is most apparent where today a sacrifice is
indicated to the "two Pales."


Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 9.8:

"Irrational creatures share in one animating soul; rational creatures
partake in an intelligent soul, just as there is one earth for all
earthly things, and one light by which to see, one air to breathe for
all of us who have sight and life."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56843 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: Aquila - Nova Roma's Official 'Zine.
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

My thanks to my colleague Tiberius Galerius Paulinus and to Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus for their comments on the Summer 2008 edition of the Aquila - Nova Roma's Official Newsletter.

Copies of the Summer 2008 edition are still available.  It is a 20 page digest sized 'zine with a full color cover.  If you are interested in ordering a copy please e-mail me at:  tau.athanasios@... I can accept paypal and price per issue is $3.00 Postage paid. 

I am in need of assistants to help with material; either individuals willing to write or individuals willing to solicit material from magistrates, governors, and or our priests.  For the Aquila to truly be a success it needs to be a group project and not soley my endeavor.  Please volunteer, your help will be appreciated!  Contact me at the e-mail above.

Additionally, I am interested in knowing what everyone is interested in seeing within the Aquila.  The Aquila is Nova Roma's official newsletter/ 'zine and it should reflect the needs, interests, and wants of the citizens of Nova Roma. 

Valete:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
Editor commentariorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56844 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: EDICTVM DE LVDI APOLLINARIBVS MMDCCLXI A.V.C.-CORRECTED AGAIN!

(This edictum has been corrected again, in its Latin wording, and in a date.) **************************************************************** Ex Officio Praetoris Urbani et Praetoris Peregrini Novæ Romæ 

EDICTVM DE LVDIS APOLLINARIBVS MMDCCLXI A.V.C. 

1. According to the Official Calendar of Nova Roma festivals, from July 6th to July 13th, the Ludi Apollinares will be celebrated.
2. The celebration will be held in honor of Apollo. The contests are organized by both Praetores and the Praetorian Cohors.
3. We, the Praetor Urbanus, the Praetor Peregrinus and our Cohors, have the honor to present the Ludi Apollinares program:

I July 6th: - Opening.
- Religious Celebrations.
II July 7th to 12: - History.
- Photo, video, and historic contests.
II July 13th: - Results and closing ceremony.

4 The Photo and Video Contest will consist of making a photo or video using one of the themes below (only original entries will be accepted):

a) Apollo.
b) Open door lunch or dinner. (A tradition during the Ludi Apollinares was to have lunch or dinner with open doors).

5 The Certamen Historicum will be about the Punic Wars. The questions will be displayed in two groups: one group of 10 questions on Monday 7th June evening, a second group of 15 questions on the evening of Tuesday 8th.
The answers are to be sent to: praetores.novaroma2008@...
Before
- Wednesday 9th 20:30 Rome time for Monday set;
- Friday 11th 20:30 Rome time for Tuesday set.
You can note that you have one additional day to answer the second group of questions, which counts more questions.
6 There will be a single jury for both contests. The members of the jury will be Consul T. Iulius Sabinus, Censor K. Fabius Buteo Modianus, and Aedile Curulis P. Memmius Albucius.
7 The winners of the Photo and Video Contest and the Certamen Historicum, will be presented with the Corona Ludi Humanitas. Being this year, consecrated to Dea Concordia, the year of Nova Roma’s 10th anniversary, the Praetores will exceptionally use the same award as in the Aedilician Ludi, to reinforce the concept of unity of all Nova Romans.
8 This Edictum takes force immediately.

Given by our hands, a.d. III Non. Quin. M. Moravio T. Iulio cos. MMDCCLXI a.V.c.

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
PRÆTOR VRBANVS

MARCVS IVLIVS SEVERVS
PRÆTOR PEREGRINVS


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56845 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: FIRST GROVP OF QVESTIONS-LVDI APOLLINARES

Salvete Quirites,

 

This is the first group of questions for the Certamen Historicum of the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI:

 

1 How many Punic wars have been fought?

2 Which event has marked the approval of the treaty ending the First Punic War?

3 How many Punic boats did the Roman fleet sink and capture during the last sea battle?

4 How many quinqueremes did Rome (''no less than'')  and Carthage (around) loose during the First Punic War?                           

5 Who were both generals in chief who negotiated the treaty closing the First Punic War?

6 Probably a few months after the end of the First Punic War, Carthage had to fight another war. What is its name?                                             

7 A second treaty was signed between Carthage and Rome in 238 BC. What are its two main clauses?   

8 How much Carthage accepted to give to Rome in war indemnities, before the beginning of the Second Punic War?

9 In which metal were counted these indemnities?

10 At July 4th, 2008 rate (London 1 kg), how much the whole indemnity evoked in question 9 would be worth in the current currency of the country where is Carthage (rounded at the closest 100,000 units)?

 

Valete optime,

 

M•CVR•COMPLVTENSIS
PRÆTOR•VRBANVS


M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•PEREGRINVS


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56846 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: THE LVDI APOLLINARES IN THE HISTORY OF ROME

Salvete Quirites,

 

During a rather bad year (212 BCE) in the Second Punic War (though they did have a good win at Syracuse) and several years after their crushing defeat by the Carthaginian Hannibal at the Battle of Cannae, the Romans consulted the ancient seer Marcius for his reading from the sacred texts, the Sibylline Oracles. Marcius advised them to hold games in honour of the Greek sun god, Apollon, in order to obtain his aid. Four years later when a plague broke out, the senators of Rome decided to make the Ludi Apollinares permanent and over the course of the next two centuries the games came to be a festival lasting eight days, the principal sacrifice being made on July 13.

It was stated by some of the ancient annalists that these ludi were instituted for the purpose of obtaining from Apollo the protection of human life during the hottest season of summer; but Livy and Macrobius adopt the account founded upon the most authentic document, the carmina Marciana themselves, that the Apollinarian games were instituted partly to obtain the aid of Apollo in expelling the Carthaginians from Italy, and partly to preserve, through the favour of the god, the republic from all dangers. The oracle suggested that the games should be held every year under the superintendence of the praetor urbanus, and that ten men should perform the sacrifices according to Greek rites. The senate complying with the advice of the oracle made two senatusconsulta; one that, at the end of the games, the praetor should receive 12,000 ases to be expended on the solemnities and sacrifices, and another that the ten men should sacrifice to Apollo, according to Greek rites, a bull with gilt horns and two white goats also with gilt horns, and to Latona a heifer with gilt horns. The games themselves were held in the Circus Maximus, the spectators were adorned with chaplets, and each citizen gave a contribution towards defraying the expenses. The Roman matrons performed supplications, the people took their meals in the propatulum with open doors, and the whole day — for the festival lasted only one day — was filled up with ceremonies and various other rites. At this first celebration of the ludi Apollinares no decree was made respecting the annual repetition suggested by the oracle, so that in the first year they were simply ludi votivi or indictivi. The year after (211 BCE) the senate, on the proposal of the praetor Calpurnius, decreed that they should be repeated, and that in future they should be vowed afresh every year. The day on which they were held varied every year according to circumstances. A few years later, however (208 BC), when Rome and its vicinity were visited by a plague, the praetor urbanus, P. Licinius Varus, brought a bill before the people to ordain that the Apollinarian games should in future always be vowed and held on a certain day (dies status), on prid. Non. Quin. ‡, which day henceforward remained a dies sollemnis. The games thus became votivi et stativi, and continued to be conducted by the praetor urbanus.

 

(Posted to the Main List by C. Equitius Cato)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56847 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-07
Subject: LVDI APOLLINARES-OPENING CEREMONY

In a brief but emotive ceremony, presided over by the Prætores of Nova Roma, the Ludi Apollinares were declared open yesterday, pr. Non. Quint. M. Moravio T. Iulio cos. MMDCCLXI a.V.c (July 6th, 2008)

I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, Prætor Urbanus, for myself and on the behalf of my colleague Marcus Iulius Severus, Prætor Peregrinus kindly ask you, Quirites, to join us and our Consuls, Magistrates and our whole Senate, to pray, with the support of our Collegium Pontificum and other religious officers, to the Great Apollo.

Come, O God, kind patron, come!  May you favor us in your presence. O Sol, whose light embraces the world, you orbit inexhaustible, forever returning, your face glowing on each day, your horses harnessed as a team to drive your chariot, with manes braided pleasantly they rise high, passing over rose-red clouds as you rein their frothing fires. Apollo, may every good fortune attend the Roman people, the Quirites. We beg and pray that you may increase the sovereign power and majesty of the Roman people, the Quirites, in war and peace; as you have always watched over us. Forever may you grant safety, victory and health to the Roman people, the Quirites. May you bestow your favor on the Roman people, the Quirites, and on the legions of the Roman people, the Quirites.  May you preserve the health and welfare of the people of Rome , the Quirites, and may you always remain willingly favorable and propitious to the people of Rome , the Quirites. May you be honored forever, and become favorable and propitious to the Roman people, the Quirites. Become favorable and propitious. An offering we gladly give You, Phoebus, a box of fragrant incense.

And last, allow me as Prætor Urbanus, to gladly announce to all the citizens of our Res publica:

Quirites, I declare our Ludi Apollinares open!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56848 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-08
Subject: a. d. VIII Eidus Quintiliae: Ludi Apollinares; Dies Natalis C. Iulii
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos semper servent.

Hodie est ante diem VIII Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies nefastus
aterque est: Vitula; Ludi Apollini; Capricornus medius occidit.

Dies natalis Diribitoris Gai Iulii Adventoris. Felices natalis, Gai
Iuli, et optimam fortunam tibi exopto.

The third day of the Ludi Apollinares saw theatrical performances.

AUC 584 / 169 BCE: Ennius produces the play "Thyestes" for the Ludi
Apollinares

Cicero says in passing that Q. Ennius wrote a play called Thyestes
specifically for the Ludi Apollinares. This was his last play, as he
was to die that year. The play itself is now lost, except for
isolated lines:

"Whom men fear they hate, and whom they hate, they wish dead."

"A sure friend shows himself in an unsure time"

"The idle mind knows not what it wants."

The convoluted story begins with Pelops, King of Olympia, exiling his
twin sons, Thyestes and Atreus for the murder of his youngest son,
Chrysippus. They go to Mycenae, where they marry the king's
daughter. With the death of King Eurystheus in a war with the
Heracleidae, Atreus becomes king of Mycenae. He then vows a
sacrifice to Artemis. But when he discovers a ram with a golden
fleece, he gives it to his wife Aerope. Aerope in turn gives the
golden ram to her lover, Atreus' twin brother Thyestes. Using the ram
of the golden fleece, Thyestes takes the throne from his twin
brother. Atreus regains the throne with the help of Hermes, who
devises the plan, and Zeus, who has Apollo reverse the course of the
sun. Thyestes is then banished. Later Atreus learns of the affair of
Aerope with Thyestes, so Atreus kills the sons of Thyestes, has them
cooked – except for their hands and heads – and served to Thyestes.
He then taught his brother with the remaining parts of his sons. To
gain his revenge, Thyestes is told by an oracle to produce a son with
his daughter Pelopia. She gives birth to Aegisthus, and abandons him
to the wilds out of shame at her rape by her father. Aegisthus is
discovered by a shepherd, who then gives the infant to Atreus to
raise. When Aegisthus reaches manhood, Thyestes tells him the family
history. Aegisthus then kills Atreus and he and his father banish
the sons of Atreus to become joint kings of Mycenae. Ah, but the
story can't end there. The sons of Atreus are Menelaus and
Agamemnon. They flee to Sparta, where they marry the daughters of
King Tyndareus, Clytemnestra and Helen. When Tyndareus dies,
Menelaus becomes king of Sparta and helps Agamemnon overthrow
Aegisthus and Thyestes. But then, while Agamemnon is away, chasing
after Helen who left Menelaus with Paris for Ilium, Aegisthus returns
to Mycenae to seduce Clytemnes, plotting the murder of his cousin
Agamemnon. Aegisthus thus returns to his throne, only to be murdered
in his turn by Agamemnon's children, Orestes and Electra. Agamemnon's
children are forgiven by the Gods, who had grown wearly of the
constant bloodshed in the house of Atreus.

For Seneca's version of Thyestes:
http://agoraclass.fltr.ucl.ac.be/concordances/sen_thyestes/lecture/def
ault.htm


AUC 356 / 397 BCE: Lectisternium of Apollo

Nearly a century and a half before the Ludi Apollinares were
instituted as a festival held once every four years, a similar
incident of a famine and plague introduced a lectisternium for eight
days. This special honor to the deities of healing seems to have
been reintroduced at a later time as part of the Ludi Apollinares.

"The year was remarkable for such a cold and snowy winter that the
roads were blocked and the Tiber rendered unnavigable. There was no
change in the price of corn, owing to a previous accumulation of
supplies. P. Licinius had won his position without exciting any
disturbance, more to the delight of the people than to the annoyance
of the senate, and he discharged his office in such a way that there
was a general desire to choose the consular tribunes out of the
plebeians at the next election. The only patrician candidate who
secured a place was M. Veturius. The rest, who were plebeians,
received the support of nearly all the centuries. Their names were M.
Pomponius, Cnaeus Duilius, Volero Publilius, and Cnaeus Genucius. In
consequence either of the unhealthy weather occasioned by the sudden
change from cold to heat, or from some other cause, the severe winter
was followed by a pestilential summer, which proved fatal to man and
beast. As neither a cause nor a cure could be found for its fatal
ravages, the senate ordered the Sibylline Books to be consulted. The
priests who had charge of them appointed for the first time in Rome a
lectisternium. Apollo and Latona, Diana and Hercules, Mercury and
Neptune were for eight days propitiated on three couches decked with
the most magnificent coverlets that could be obtained. Solemnities
were conducted also in private houses. It is stated that throughout
the City the front gates of the houses were thrown open and all sorts
of things placed for general use in the open courts, all comers,
whether acquaintances or strangers, being brought in to share the
hospitality. Men who had been enemies held friendly and sociable
conversations with each other and abstained from all litigation, the
manacles even were removed from prisoners during this period, and
afterwards it seemed an act of impiety that men to whom the gods had
brought such relief should be put in chains again." ~ Titus Livius
5.13


Vitula

"Send me your Phyllis for my birthday guest, I pray thee, Iollas;
when for young crops a vitula I shall perform, you shall come
yourself." ~ P. Vergilius Maro, Eclogue 3.76-77

Where a feriae Iovis was noted on the day of the Poplifugia (5 July)
and the sacrifice of a vitulus (white heifer) was offered, today is
noted for the sacrifice of a vitula (white heifer) for Juno.
Macrobius connected the two days. Where the Poplifugia was posed as
a commemoration of when the Romans fled from the Tuscans, following
the Gallic sack of 390 BCE, today supposedly commemorates the
thanksgiving offered to Juno after Rome's victories over the Gauls
and the City's other enemies in those dark days. He also quoted
Varro, from Liber XV of Res Divinae,to say that this sacrifice of a
heifer, made along with fruits of the earth, for Juno was performed
by the Pontifices (Macrobius, Saturnalia 3.2.11 and 14). At Ugivium,
in Umbria, vitulationes are mentioned where the vituli served as
scapegoats in purification rites. The Poplifugia, as stated earlier,
seems to have been a purification rite of the people of Rome, where
today's vitulatio would then become a purification of the City in
some way, but without knowing more about the ritual or where exactly
it was performed we can't really say what it involved. The only other
hint we have is from Virgil, above, where he said that a virtula was
a sort of purification rite intended to protect the health of crops,
but to whom the sacrifice was made, or when, he did not indicate.


Plutarch, Roman Questions 10:

"Why is it that when they worship the Gods, they cover their heads,
but when they meet any of their fellow men worthy of honor, if they
happen to have the toga over the head, they uncover? This second
fact seems to intensify the difficulty of the first. If, then, the
tale told of Aeneas is true, that, when Diomedes passed by, he
covered his head and completed the sacrifice, it is reasonable and
consistent with the covering of one's head in the presence of an
enemy that men who meet good men and their friends should uncover.
In fact, the behavior in regard to the Gods is not properly related
to this custom, but accidentally resembles it; and its observance has
persisted since the days of Aeneas. But if there is anything else to
be said, consider whether it be not true that there is only one
matter that needs investigation: why men cover their heads when they
worship the Gods; and the other follows from this. For they uncover
their heads in the presence of men more influential than they: it is
not to invest these men with additional honor, but rather to avert
from them the jealousy of the Gods, that these men may not seem to
demand the same honors as the Gods, nor to tolerate an attention like
that bestowed on the Gods, nor to rejoice therein. But they thus
worshipped the Gods, either humbling themselves by concealing the
head, or rather by pulling the toga over their ears as a precaution
lest an ill-omened and baleful sound from without should reach them
while they were praying. That they were mightily vigilant in this
matter is obvious from the fact that when they went forth for
purposes of divination, they surrounded themselves with the clashing
bronze. Or, as Castor states when he is trying to bring Roman custom
into relation with Pythagorean doctrines: the Spirit within us
entreats and supplicates the Gods without, and thus he symbolizes by
the covering of the head the covering and concealment of the soul by
the body."


Our thought for today is from Demophilus, Pythagorean Sentences 44
and 41:

"It is impossible that the same person can be a lover of pleasure, a
lover of body, a lover of riches, and a lover of Divinity. For a
lover of pleasure is also a lover of body; but a lover of body is
entirely a lover of riches; a lover of riches is necessarily unjust;
and the unjust is necessarily profane towards Divinity, and lawless
with respect to men. Hence, though he should sacrifice hecatombs, he
is only by this means the more impious, unholy, atheistic, and
sacrilegious, with respect to his intentions: and on this account it
is necessary to avoid every lover of pleasure as an atheist and
polluted person.

"He is a wise man, and beloved of Divinity, who studies how to labor
for the good of his soul, as much as others labor for the sake of the
body."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56849 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-08
Subject: CERTAMEN HISTORICVM - SECOND GROVP OF QVESTIONS

Salvete omnes,

 

Here is the second group of questions for the Certamen Historicum on the Punic Wars, within the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI.

 

Valete optime,

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11 What is the relation between the generals in chief during the First and the Secod Punic Wars?

12 How old was the Carthaginian general in chief when the the Second Punic War begins?

13 The Second Punic War Carthaginian army has probably crossed the Rhône river not far towards a city where, later, were to stay popes. What is the name of this French city ?

14 The Second Punic War was a “war of brothers”: give the names of both generals. in chief's brothers.

15 Last June 2007, an internet publication, linked to Nova Roma issued an article on the battle of the Trebbia. What is the name of this publication?

16 What is the lexical and toponymic common point of the Punic victories won in Italy before 216 BC?

17 Give the average (Polybius, Livy) number of Romans who died in Cannae?

18 Several Mediterranean villages or cities still bear names formed around the punic root "mars/mers'' (for example, Mers-el-Kebir, Marsala, La Marsa, etc.). What does it mean?

19 How greater is the war indemnity that Carthage is forced to pay in 202 BC, compared to the First Punic War's one (rounded to 0.02)?

20 How died Sophonisbe?

21 One king “belonged” to Scipio triumph in 201-200 BC. Who was he ?

22 Hannibal honored a temple of Iuno Lacinia on Cape Lacinium, south of Crotone, during the Second Punic War. Before the Third Punic War, a Roman censor stole half its roof. Who was this censor and when did this happen?

23 He married his elder son to Scipio Aemilianus's sister. Who is he and when does he die?

24 Cádiz, as many Mediterranean important cities, was founded by Phoenicians (Punics). When, and what meant its Phoenician name, Gadir?

25 Another old trading renowned city was destroyed by Rome in 146 BC. What was its name?


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56850 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AT LATIN COURSES UPDATE: INTERMEDIATE LATIN READY FOR BOARDING
AT LATIN COURSES UPDATE:  INTERMEDIATE LATIN READY FOR BOARDING
A. Tullia Scholastica quirítibus, sociís, peregrínísque bonae voluntátis S.P.D.

    The site for the intermediate traditional Latin course, Grammatica Latína II, is now prepared for enrollment by new students.  The course will begin on September 8th, 2008, but early registration is advisable, especially for those currently enrolled in Grammatica Latína I, who must move in order to allow new students to enter the introductory course.

    Students wishing to register for this course must possess an ID from the Academia Thules (anyone who has taken a course at the AT within the last couple of years already has one; others may obtain one by contacting Saturninus at the AT), must have a copy of the textbook (Wheelock’s Latin, sixth edition, revised by LaFleur) by the beginning of class, and must have successfully completed either Grammatica Latína I, Sermó Latínus I, II, or I & II, or an equivalent course at the university level, covering all of the Latin declensions and the indicative mood of the verb.  Those wishing to enroll for this course must also contact me directly in order to obtain the enrollment key, a necessary step in the registration process.  

    The introductory course, Grammatica Latína I, will begin on September 15th; there are no academic prerequisites, but all students must have the text in hand before the beginning of class.  Registrations for this course will open as soon as the current GL I students migrate to the intermediate site and some other site maintenance is complete.  

    A date has not yet been set for the next run of Rudímenta Latína, but should resume at some point in the Fall, most likely a bit later in September.  

    The Sermó Latínus courses typically begin in mid-October, but this is set by Avítus, who is busy with exam corrections and other matters.  He has not set the dates as yet.  

Valéte.  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56851 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: IVth NR Pannonia Reenactment Camp in Szolnok during the Ludi Apollin
Cn. Cornelius Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae: Senatui Populoque Novo Romano: sal.:


During the Ludi Apollinares, Pannonian citizens participate in the IV Nova Roman Reenactment Camp in Szolnok, Hungary, where we host 15-20 children and we teach them what Romanitas is, they recive military training, legionary drill, try to live the Roman military and civil life with religion and all the aspects and the other part of the Camp do similarly just with the barbarians (Sarmata).

Since there are the Games of Apollo, we combine this festivity with the Camp's program.

Yesterday there was a sacrifice to Apollo and Iuppiter and Concordia.

We will celebrate a open door dinner, too.

Our program in a very brief summary:

THE IV NOVA ROMA PANNONIA REENACTMENT CAMP PROGRAM

Some of our programs are together with the Szolnok City Festival where we perform our programs before many spectators, as part of the City Festival.

6th July, Sunday - p.m. 14:00 Opening ceremonies, starting the workshops, legionary trainings and main directions for the participants

7th July, Monday - a.m.: lecture about Roman army, workshops, p.m.: legionary training, start of the ancient theater piece (T. M. Plautus: Mercator) probations directed by a professional theater director, József Rigó

8th July, Tuesday - a.m.: Lectures about Roman army, mythology, archeology, p.m.: training of the legion and that of the barbarians, 20:00 our Sacrifice to Apollo, Iuppiter, Concordia at the City Festival

9th July, Wednesday - a.m.: legionary training, manual workshops, p.m.: Roman civil life; our legionary performance at the City Festival, Roman philosophy discussion at night

10th July, Thursday - a.m.: legionary training, p.m.: Barbarian life, workshops, 19:00 our Roman wedding ceremony reenactment at the City Festival

11th July, Friday - a.m.: legionary training, p.m.: 14:00 our MAIN PROGRAM at the City Festival: with Roman Market, Slave Market, Military Parade, Gladiatorial Combats, Religious Rituals etc... 19:00 Roman party at night

12th July, Saturday - a.m.: closing ceremonies, p.m.: 14:00 leaving the Camp.


We can receive guests who are Nova Roman citizens, so if anybody wants to join us, we are most glad and you will be molst welcome!


Curate, uti valeatis!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
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Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56852 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: a. d. VII Eidus Quinctiliae: Battle of Heraclea
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Apollo salvere vos iubet.

Hodie est ante diem VII Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies nefastus est:
Ludi Apollini; Cepheus vespere exoritur, tempestatem significat.

"Mark the walnut in the wood... if the fruit prevails, a like store
of grain will follow." ~ P. Vergiius Maro, Georgic 1.187-90

The fourth day of the Ludi Apollinares is celebrated with theatrical
performances.


AUC 156 / 597 BCE: By some sources, the date on which the eclipse
occurred that had been forecast by Thales.


AUC 473 / 280 BCE: Battle of Heraclea, the first engagement in the
war with Pyrrhus.

In the spring of 280 BCE, Pyrrhus, King of Epirus, had arrived in
Italy to assist the Tarrentines against Rome. He had supplemented
his own army with Greek mercenaries, Rhodian archers, Thessalian
cavalry and Macedonian phalanxes, along with elephants supplied from
Egypt. Rome raised eight legions in four armies; one placed to guard
Rome, a second with Consul Ti. Coruncaniusto guard against the
Etruscans. Cornucanius would become to first plebeian Pontifex
Maximus in 254 BCE. A third force was placed under L. Aemilius
Barbula at Venusia to prevent the Samnites and Lucanians from joining
Pyrrhus. The main Roman force was placed under P. Valerius Laevinus
who began a march on Tarrentium by passing through Lucania. By July
280 BCE Pyrrhus had arrived across the River Siris from Laevinus,
somewhere between Pandosia and Heraclea. The date is not known
exactly. Some accounts are lost. Plutarch provides an anecdotal
account of this first engagement.

"[Pyrrhus] now received intelligence that Laevinus, the Roman consul,
was upon his march with a great army, and plundering Lucania as he
went. The confederate forces were not come up to him, yet he thought
it impossible to suffer so near an approach of an enemy, and drew out
with his army, but first sent an herald to the Romans to know if
before the war they would decide the differences between them and the
Italian Greeks by his arbitration and mediation. But Laevinus
returning answer that the Romans neither accepted him as arbitrator
nor feared him as an enemy, Pyrrhus advanced, and encamped in the
plain between the cities of Pandosia and Heraclea, and having notice
the Romans were near, and lay on the other side of the river Siris,
he rode up to take a view of them, and seeing their order, the
appointment of the watches, their method and the general form of
their encampment, he was amazed, and addressing one of his friends
next to him: "This order," said he, "Megacles, of the barbarians, is
not at all barbarian in character; we shall see presently what they
can do; and growing a little more thoughtful of the event, resolved
to expect the arriving of the confederate troops. And to hinder the
Romans, if in the meantime they should endeavor to pass the river, he
planted men all along the bank to oppose them. But they, hastening to
anticipate the coming up of the same forces which he had determined
to wait for, attempted the passage with their infantry, where it was
fordable, and with the horse in several places, so that the Greeks,
fearing to be surrounded, were obliged to retreat, and Pyrrhus,
perceiving this, and being much surprised, bade his foot officers
draw their men up in line of battle, and continue in arms, while he
himself with three thousand horse advanced, hoping to attack the
Romans as they were coming over, scattered and disordered. But when
he saw a vast number of shields appearing above the water, and the
horse following them in good order, gathering his men in a closer
body, himself at the head of them, he began the charge, conspicuous
by his rich and beautiful armor, and letting it be seen that his
reputation was not outdone by what he was able effectually to
perform. While exposing his hands and body in the fight, and bravely
repelling all that engaged him, he still guided the battle with a
steady and undisturbed reason, and such presence of mind, as if he
had been out of the action and watching it from a distance, passing
still from point to point, and assisting those whom he thought most
pressed by the enemy. Here Leonnatus the Macedonian, observing one of
the Italians very intent upon Pyrrhus, riding up towards him, and
changing places as he did, and moving as he moved: 'Do you see, sir,'
said he, 'that barbarian on the black horse with white feet? he seems
to be one that designs some great and dangerous thing, for he looks
constantly at you, and fixes his whole attention, full of vehement
purpose, on you alone, taking no notice of others. Be on your guard,
sir, against him.' 'Leonnatus,' said Pyrrhus, 'it is impossible for
any man to avoid his fate; but neither he nor any other Italian shall
have much satisfaction in engaging with me.' While they were in this
discourse, the Italian, lowering his spear and quickening his horse,
rode furiously at Pyrrhus, and run his horse through with his lance;
at the same instant Leonnatus ran his through. Both horses falling,
Pyrrhus's friends surrounded him and brought him off safe, and killed
the Italian, bravely defending himself. He was by birth a Frentanian,
captain of a troop, and named Oplacus.

"This made Pyrrhus use greater caution, and now seeing his horse give
ground, he brought up the infantry against the enemy, and changing
his scarf and his arms with Megacles, one of his friends, and
obscuring himself, as it were, in his, charged upon the Romans, who
received and engaged him, and a great while the success of the battle
remained undetermined; and it is said there were seven turns of
fortune both of pursuing and being pursued. And the change of his
arms was very opportune for the safety of his person, but had like to
have overthrown his cause and lost him the victory; for several
falling upon Megacles, the first that gave him his mortal wound was
one Dexous, who, snatching away his helmet and his robe, rode at once
to Laevinus, holding them up, and saying aloud he had killed Pyrrhus.
These spoils being carried about and shown among the ranks, the
Romans were transported with joy, and shouted aloud; while equal
discouragement and terror prevailed among the Greeks, until Pyrrhus,
understanding what had happened, rode about the army with his face
bare, stretching out his hand to his soldiers, and telling them aloud
it was he. At last, the elephants more particularly began to distress
the Romans, whose horses, before they came near, nor enduring them,
went back with their riders; and upon this, he commanded the
Thessalian cavalry to charge them in their disorder, and routed them
with great loss. Dionysius affirms near fifteen thousand of the
Romans fell; Hieronymus, no more than seven thousand. On Pyrrhus's
side, the same Dionysius makes thirteen thousand slain, the other
under four thousand; but they were the flower of his men, and amongst
them his particular friends as well as officers whom he most trusted
and made use of. However, he possessed himself of the Romans' camp
which they deserted, and gained over several confederate cities, and
wasted the country round about, and advanced so far that he was
within about thirty-seven miles of Rome itself. After the fight many
of the Lucanians and Samnites came in and joined him, whom he chide
for their delay, but yet he was evidently well pleased and raised in
his thoughts, that he had defeated so great an army of the Romans
with the assistance." ~ Plutarch, Life of Pyrrhus 16-17

Seven times the Epiriote phalanxes charged and each time they were
unable to pierce the Roman line. The Romans were likewise unable to
break the Greek battle line. Roman cavalry was beginning to gain an
advantage on the flanks of Pyrrhus' army when he sent in his reserve,
including his war elephants. It was the unfamiliarity with the
elephants that led to the retreat of the Roman cavalry and caused the
Romans to lose this initial engagement. While the Romans took the
greater losses and withdrew from the field, it was Pyrrhus who had
received the great shock at the results, because he had not
anticipated meeting such a well disciplined and organized foe. He
had not come prepared to endure a long campaign against such a
tenacious foe as the Romans were to prove.


AUC 871 / 118 CE: Hadrian arrives in Rome for the first time after
being recognized as emperor by the Senate in the previous year (11
August).

Trajan had fallen ill following an unsuccessful engagement at Hatra
in Mesopotamia. The imperial party attempted to carry the emperor
back to Rome, but had his ship dock at Selinus, Cilicia, after he
suffered an apparent stroke. Trajan, in his mid-sixties, had led a
vigorous life. But now, partially paralyzed and suffering from
circulatory failure and oedema, he believed he hd been poisoned and
grew suspicious. Hadrian at this time was still serving as governor
of Syria and was located at a short distance up the coast at his
capital of Antioch. A letter of adoption was drafted and dispatched
from Selinus to both Hadrian at Antioch and to the Senate at Rome.
At Antioch the legions hailed Hadrian as emperor a few days after
Trajan's death on 22 June. But the couriers did not reach Rome for
weeks afterward. Meanwhile Hadrian had serious problems with which
to contend. Trajan had marched to the delta of the Tigres and
Euphrates Rivers, but Roman control over Mesopotamia was tenuous.
Serious Jewish revolts had broken out in different parts of the
eastern provinces; most seriously in Egypt and Cyrenaica. There were
also disturbances along the Empire's northern borders. Hadrian
delayed his travel to Rome while he personally confronted the
military situations. He ordered a withdrawal from the eastern most
boundaries so as to concentrate his forces behind more defensible
boundaries. He was likewise to partially withdraw from Dacia in 118
CE. In order to protect Moesia, he ordered the destruction of the
superstructure of Trajan's bridge across the River Ister. If needed,
he could easily rebuild the superstructure across the remaining
pylons before leading an army across. The destruction was to prevent
barbarian armies from crossing into more settled provinces. This was
obviously a changer to a defensive policy that Hadrian waslater to
adopt for other parts of the Empire as well. He negotiated with
hostile kings, most notably with the Parthians, and settled disputed
with some of Rome's smaller enemies. And Hadrian unleashed his
legions against the Jews who were in revolt, relocating the few
survivors out of Cyrene and Egypt to the furthest outposts of the
eastern Empire (Dio Cassius 68.14; Scriptores Historiae Augustae,
Hadrianus 5.3). he would later deal with another Jewish revolt (132-
135CE). In the east, Hadrian had the support of his legions, as well
as the support of three politically important women. Trajan's widow
Plotina, Trajan's niece and political confident, Matidia, who was
also Hadrianus' mother-in-law, and his wife Vibia Sabina whose sister
and half sisters were married to men of consular rank. Hadrian's
withdrawal from Trajan's policies of aggressive expansion was
necessitated by circumstances and finances, but it was not popular
back at Rome. His entry into Rome eleven months from the time he
took the throne was therefore an important step in shoring up Senate
support for his rule.


Our thought for today is from Pythagoras, The Golden Sayings 30-31:

"Never do anything which thou dost not understand. But learn all thou
ought to know, and by that means thou wilt lead a pleasant life."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56853 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: A bank account in Europe !

Salvete Quirites,

 

I would like to support and address this issue. We need a 2nd bank account in Europe. After all , the Europeans are the 2nd largest Group of Citizens within Nova Roma and currently the fastet growing group of citizens for Nova Roma and deserve this official 2nd bank account.

 

This would also ease possible donations to the projects of Magna Mater (MMP) and the Temple for the Gods in Rome project (TGRP) in Europe. Not every citizen has the possibility of using paypal.

 

Personally I would also like to see a 2nd headquarter / or official address in Europe.

 

Optime valete

Titus Flavius Aquila

Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56854 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: A bank account in Europe !

C. Aemilius Crassus T. Flavio Aquilae Tribuno omnibusque SPD,

 

For what is worth I agree and support both your suggestions. But unless I’m mistaken both matters are in the sole dependence of the Senate.

 

Di vos incolumes custodiant.
 

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C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
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----- Original Message ----
From: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:14:30 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !

Salvete Quirites,

 

I would like to support and address this issue. We need a 2nd bank account in Europe. After all , the Europeans are the 2nd largest Group of Citizens within Nova Roma and currently the fastet growing group of citizens for Nova Roma and deserve this official 2nd bank account.

 

This would also ease possible donations to the projects of Magna Mater (MMP) and the Temple for the Gods in Rome project (TGRP) in Europe. Not every citizen has the possibility of using paypal.

 

Personally I would also like to see a 2nd headquarter / or official address in Europe.

 

Optime valete

Titus Flavius Aquila

Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania

Scriba Censoris KFBM



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56855 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
T. Flavius Aquila C.Aemilio Crassus Diribitor omnibusque salutem pluriam dicit
 
thank you very much for your support and you are right these matters are in the sole
dependence of the senate, but I do hope that the senate will take our suggestions into consideration.
 
Di vos incolumes custodiant.
Titus Flavius Aquila

Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania

Scriba Censoris KFBM


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Von: Gaius Aemilius Crassus <septemtrionis@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 9. Juli 2008, 11:41:39 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !

C. Aemilius Crassus T. Flavio Aquilae Tribuno omnibusque SPD,

 

For what is worth I agree and support both your suggestions. But unless I’m mistaken both matters are in the sole dependence of the Senate.

 

Di vos incolumes custodiant.
 

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
C. AEMILIVS CRASSVS
DIRIBITOR NOVAE ROMAE
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----- Original Message ----
From: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:14:30 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !

Salvete Quirites,

 

I would like to support and address this issue. We need a 2nd bank account in Europe. After all , the Europeans are the 2nd largest Group of Citizens within Nova Roma and currently the fastet growing group of citizens for Nova Roma and deserve this official 2nd bank account.

 

This would also ease possible donations to the projects of Magna Mater (MMP) and the Temple for the Gods in Rome project (TGRP) in Europe. Not every citizen has the possibility of using paypal.

 

Personally I would also like to see a 2nd headquarter / or official address in Europe.

 

Optime valete

Titus Flavius Aquila

Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania

Scriba Censoris KFBM



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56856 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Salve Tribune Aquila,

Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> writes:

> I do hope that the senate will take our suggestions into consideration.

The senate already has. Last year we changed our banking policy to
use a bank with branches in Europe. Several years ago we passed a
senatus consultum which would have allowed a separate bank account in
Europe, but subsequent investigations by several European senators
found that the fees would have been ruinous.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56857 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Salve Senator Marinus,
 
thank you very much for your response. This is interessting news.
 
I just wonder how the fees of having a bank account in Europe could be ruinous ?
 
Is that due to the fact when using a bank with branches in Europe ? Or is that for a
separate bank account in Europe ?
 
Vale optime
Titus Flavius Aquila

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An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 9. Juli 2008, 13:33:10 Uhr
Betreff: Re: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !

Salve Tribune Aquila,

Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de> writes:

> I do hope that the senate will take our suggestions into consideration.

The senate already has. Last year we changed our banking policy to
use a bank with branches in Europe. Several years ago we passed a
senatus consultum which would have allowed a separate bank account in
Europe, but subsequent investigations by several European senators
found that the fees would have been ruinous.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56858 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Salve Tribune,

Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> writes:

> I just wonder how the fees of having a bank account in Europe could
> be ruinous ?
> Is that due to the fact when using a bank with branches in Europe ?
> Or is that for a
> separate bank account in Europe ?

It was for a separate bank account. Senator Astur investigated the
costs in Hispania. I don't recall who looked in other European
locations. But in any case it was very expensive to have a corporate
account.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56859 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Salve Senator Marinus, salvete omnes
I see.
 
Does it have to be a full corporate account ? Aren't there any intermediate possibilites which would as well
fulfill the purpose ?
 
The purpose would be:
 
A European bank account where money could be transferred to and from. Under the supervision of Nova Roman authorities, ideally located in Europe (idea of a 2nd Nova Roma address / headquarter).
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila
 

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An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !

Salve Tribune,

Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de> writes:

> I just wonder how the fees of having a bank account in Europe could
> be ruinous ?
> Is that due to the fact when using a bank with branches in Europe ?
> Or is that for a
> separate bank account in Europe ?

It was for a separate bank account.. Senator Astur investigated the
costs in Hispania. I don't recall who looked in other European
locations. But in any case it was very expensive to have a corporate
account.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56860 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tito Flavio Aquilae salutem dicit

Bank of America, where our account is through, has branches in the following Eureopean cities:

Antwerp - Belgium
Paris - France
Frankfurt - Germany
Athens - Greece
Dublin - Ireland
Milan - Italy
Amsterdam - Netherlands
Madrid - Spain
London - England

There is no need to have a SECOND account when our current bank is global.  Additionally, with the use of paypal funds can easily be transferred.  I've sent several issues of the Aquila to Europe.  The postage is higher but the citizens requesting it easily paid through paypal. 

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus 

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:

Salve Senator Marinus, salvete omnes
I see.
 
Does it have to be a full corporate account ? Aren't there any intermediate possibilites which would as well
fulfill the purpose ?
 
The purpose would be:
 
A European bank account where money could be transferred to and from. Under the supervision of Nova Roman authorities, ideally located in Europe (idea of a 2nd Nova Roma address / headquarter).
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56861 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
T. Flavius Aquila C. Fabio Buteoni Modiano salutem plurimam dicit
Salve Censor Modianus,
 
this should do. Thank you very much. Who would be willing to follow up on this issue ?
 
By the by, not all of our citizens are using or trusting paypal, for whatever reasons .
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila
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An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 9. Juli 2008, 16:10:03 Uhr
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !

 

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tito Flavio Aquilae salutem dicit

Bank of America, where our account is through, has branches in the following Eureopean cities:

Antwerp - Belgium
Paris - France
Frankfurt - Germany
Athens - Greece
Dublin - Ireland
Milan - Italy
Amsterdam - Netherlands
Madrid - Spain
London - England

There is no need to have a SECOND account when our current bank is global.  Additionally, with the use of paypal funds can easily be transferred.  I've sent several issues of the Aquila to Europe.  The postage is higher but the citizens requesting it easily paid through paypal. 

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus 

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de> wrote:

Salve Senator Marinus, salvete omnes
I see.
 
Does it have to be a full corporate account ? Aren't there any intermediate possibilites which would as well
fulfill the purpose ?
 
The purpose would be:
 
A European bank account where money could be transferred to and from. Under the supervision of Nova Roman authorities, ideally located in Europe (idea of a 2nd Nova Roma address / headquarter) .
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56862 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Salve Tribune,

I don't intend to debate this matter with you. My point in responding
to you earlier was to let you know the matter has been investigated,
and a solution already implemented. You seem to be trying to make a
political issue out of this, when the Senate has already dealt with it.

Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> writes:

> Salve Senator Marinus, salvete omnes
>
> I see.
> Does it have to be a full corporate account ? [...]


CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56863 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Salve Senator,
 
no debate intended. Just a question in general.
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila

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Von: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 9. Juli 2008, 16:36:54 Uhr
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !

Salve Tribune,

I don't intend to debate this matter with you. My point in responding
to you earlier was to let you know the matter has been investigated,
and a solution already implemented. You seem to be trying to make a
political issue out of this, when the Senate has already dealt with it.

Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de> writes:

> Salve Senator Marinus, salvete omnes
>
> I see.
> Does it have to be a full corporate account ? [...]

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56864 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-09
Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus T. Flavio Aquilae salutem dicit

I've been using paypal for years and I have had no problems with it.  For the small amounts of money that get shuffled around I see no reason not to advocate for it.  Citizens who do not use it should reconsider.  Its a great way to pay taxes, order Aquila (newsletter), etc...  We even have citizens who have donated hundreds of $$ to the Magna Mater project using paypal.  Its a good service, and if citizens are not using it then it is their loss. 

I hope the topic of a European bank account has been adequately addressed.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:

T. Flavius Aquila C. Fabio Buteoni Modiano salutem plurimam dicit
Salve Censor Modianus,
 
this should do. Thank you very much. Who would be willing to follow up on this issue ?
 
By the by, not all of our citizens are using or trusting paypal, for whatever reasons .
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56865 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2008-07-10
Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.
 
I have to ask whether the possibility for an educational institution account was investigated.  As I have only been a member of the Senate for a short time, I hope that Titus Aquila receives a complete report on the investigation that was conducted.  It would be a pity if this question was not addressed on an annual basis to insure that all our ducks are in a row before the Senate formally can close the book on the question.
 
Valete.
 
In a message dated 7/9/2008 8:49:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, titus.aquila@... writes:

Salve Senator Marinus, salvete omnes
I see.
 
Does it have to be a full corporate account ? Aren't there any intermediate possibilites which would as well
fulfill the purpose ?
 
The purpose would be:
 
A European bank account where money could be transferred to and from. Under the supervision of Nova Roman authorities, ideally located in Europe (idea of a 2nd Nova Roma address / headquarter) .
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila
 

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An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 9. Juli 2008, 15:25:25 Uhr
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !

Salve Tribune,

Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de> writes:

> I just wonder how the fees of having a bank account in Europe could
> be ruinous ?
> Is that due to the fact when using a bank with branches in Europe ?
> Or is that for a
> separate bank account in Europe ?

It was for a separate bank account.. Senator Astur investigated the
costs in Hispania. I don't recall who looked in other European
locations. But in any case it was very expensive to have a corporate
account.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56866 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-10
Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !

T.Flavius Aquila Fl. Galerio Aureliano S.P.D.

 

Salve Senator Aurelianus,

 

I would like to thank you for your support. I would also be very much interessted if the

possibility for an educational institution account was investigated , as well as I  would appreciate

to receive the complete report on the investigation concerning a 2nd bank account in Europe.

 

This matter is for various reasons of great importance for us Europeans.

 

Vale bene

Titus Flavius Aquila

Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma


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Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 10. Juli 2008, 06:02:49 Uhr
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.
 
I have to ask whether the possibility for an educational institution account was investigated.  As I have only been a member of the Senate for a short time, I hope that Titus Aquila receives a complete report on the investigation that was conducted.  It would be a pity if this question was not addressed on an annual basis to insure that all our ducks are in a row before the Senate formally can close the book on the question.
 
Valete.
 
In a message dated 7/9/2008 8:49:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, titus.aquila@ yahoo.de writes:

Salve Senator Marinus, salvete omnes
I see.
 
Does it have to be a full corporate account ? Aren't there any intermediate possibilites which would as well
fulfill the purpose ?
 
The purpose would be:
 
A European bank account where money could be transferred to and from. Under the supervision of Nova Roman authorities, ideally located in Europe (idea of a 2nd Nova Roma address / headquarter) .
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila
 

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An: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 9. Juli 2008, 15:25:25 Uhr
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !

Salve Tribune,

Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de> writes:

> I just wonder how the fees of having a bank account in Europe could
> be ruinous ?
> Is that due to the fact when using a bank with branches in Europe ?
> Or is that for a
> separate bank account in Europe ?

It was for a separate bank account.. Senator Astur investigated the
costs in Hispania. I don't recall who looked in other European
locations. But in any case it was very expensive to have a corporate
account.

Vale,

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56867 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-10
Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Quinctiliae: Battle of the Lesnikia River
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Curate ut valeatis, et Di vos servent.

Hodie est ante diem VI Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies comitialis est:
Ludi Apollini; deis imperii Antonini Pii; Prodromi flare incipiunt.

Day five of the ludi Apollinares celebrated with races in the Circus
Maximus.


AUC 447 / 306 BCE: The Fabii set off on a private war with the
Veientines.

"From that time there was neither peace nor war with the Veientines,
whose methods closely resembled those of brigands. They retired
before the Roman legions into their city; then when they found that
they were withdrawn they made inroads on the fields, evading war by
keeping quiet, and then making quiet impossible by war. So the
business could neither be dropped nor completed. Wars were
threatening in other quarters also; some seemed imminent as in the
case of the Aequi and Volscians, who were only keeping quiet till the
effect of their recent defeat should pass away, whilst it was evident
that the Sabines, perpetual enemies of Rome, and the whole of Etruria
would soon be in motion. But the Veientines, a persistent rather than
a formidable foe, created more irritation than alarm because it was
never safe to neglect them or to turn the attention elsewhere. Under
these circumstances the Fabii came to the senate, and the consul, on
behalf of his house, spoke as follows: 'As you are aware, senators,
the Veientine war does not require a large force so much as one
constantly in the field. Let the other wars be your care, leave the
Fabii to deal with the Veientines. We will guarantee that the majesty
of Rome shall be safe in that quarter. We propose to carry on that
war as a private war of our own at our own cost. Let the State be
spared money and men there.' A very hearty vote of thanks was passed;
the consul left the House and returned home accompanied by the Fabii,
who had been standing in the vestibule awaiting the senate's
decision. After receiving instructions to meet on the morrow, fully
armed, before the consul's house, they separated for their homes." ~
Titus Livius 2.48

AUC 705 / 48 BCE: Battle of the Lesnikia River

In the Civil War Caesar and Pompeius found their maneuvers place them
in a unique position south of Dyrrhachium. Caesar, with the smaller
force, had pinned Pompeius on the Adriatic coast and cut off from his
base of supplies at Dyrrhachium. Pompeius was forced to throw up an
arc of earthworks. Caesar countered with his own arc of trenches and
breast works with twenty-four redoubts. The arc itself stretched
five miles, while Caesar's earthworks to contain it amounted to
seventeen miles (B. C. 3.44). Although it would seem that Caesar had
trapped Pompeius, it was Caesar who was in the more difficult
position. The naval forces of Pompeius had cut Caesar off from his
own base of supplies. His shortage of cavalry made foraging the
region around the camps difficult. Add to this was a shortage of
supplies as the forces of Pompeius had already cleared the region for
war supplies, which they stored at Dyrrhachium. Pompeius was also
able to receive some supplies by way of the sea. With his
numerically superior force, Pompeius began probing Caesar's line.

"Thus six engagements having happened in one day, three at
Dyrrachium, and three at the fortifications, when a computation was
made of the number of slain, we found that about two thousand fell on
Pompey's side, several of them volunteer veterans and centurions.
Among them was Valerius, the son of Lucius Flaccus, who as praetor
had formerly had the government of Asia, and six military standards
were taken. Of our men, not more than twenty were missing in all the
action. But in the fort, not a single soldier escaped without a
wound; and in one cohort, four centurions lost their eyes. And being
desirous to produce testimony of the fatigue they under went, and the
danger they sustained, they counted to Caesar about thirty thousand
arrows which had been thrown into the fort; and in the shield of the
centurion Scaeva, which was brought to him, were found two hundred
and thirty holes. In reward for this man's services, both to himself
and the public, Caesar presented to him two hundred thousand pieces
of copper money, and declared him promoted from the eighth to the
first centurion. For it appeared that the fort had been in a great
measure saved by his exertions; and he afterward very amply rewarded
the cohorts with double pay, corn, clothing, and other military
honors." ~ C. Iulius Caesar, Commentarius de Bello Civili, 3. 53

Thinking that Pompeius might use his ships to land a force behind his
lines near the coast, Caesar erected a second wall with trenches,
facing outward. On the night of 9 July Pompeius sent a small force
to land between Caesar's two trenchlines, and a larger force south of
Caesar's circumvallation. By dawn they then came upon Caesar's
defenders. Marcellinus commanded Legio IX for Caesar in a fortified
camp roughly two miles from the seashore.

"At this place, fronting the enemy, there was a ditch fifteen feet
wide, and a rampart ten feet high, and the top of the rampart was ten
feet in breadth. At an interval of six hundred feet from that there
was another rampart turned the contrary way, with the works lower.
For some days before, Caesar, apprehending that our men might be
surrounded by sea, had made a double rampart there, that if he should
be attacked on both sides, he might have the means of defending
himself. But the extent of the lines, and the incessant labor for so
many days, because he had enclosed a circuit of seventeen miles with
his works, did not allow time to finish them. Therefore the
transverse rampart which should make a communication between the
other two, was not yet completed. This circumstance was known to
Pompeius, being told to him by the Allobrogian deserters, and proved
of great disadvantage to us. For when our cohorts of the ninth legion
were on guard by the sea-side, Pompeius' army arrived suddenly by
break of day, and their approach was a surprise to our men, and at
the same time, the soldiers that came by sea, cast their darts on the
front rampart; and the ditches were filled with fascines: and the
legionary soldiers terrified those that defended the inner rampart,
by applying the scaling ladders, and by engines and weapons of all
sorts, and a vast multitude of archers poured round upon them from
every side. Besides, the coverings of oziers, which they had laid
over their helmets, were a great security to them against the blows
of stones which were the only weapons that our soldiers had. And
therefore, when our men were oppressed in every manner, and were
scarcely able to make resistance, the defect in our works was
observed, and Pompey's soldiers, landing between the two ramparts,
where the work was unfinished, attacked our men in the rear, and
having beat them from both sides of the fortification, obliged them
to flee.

"Marcellinus, being informed of this disorder, detached some cohorts
to the relief of our men, who seeing them flee from the camp, were
neither able to persuade them to rally at their approach, nor
themselves to sustain the enemy's charge. And in like manner,
whatever additional assistance was sent, was infected by the fears of
the defeated, and increased the terror and danger. For retreat was
prevented by the multitude of the fugitives. In that battle, when the
eagle-bearer was dangerously wounded, and began to grow weak, having
got sight of our horse, he said to them, 'This eagle have I defended
with the greatest care for many years, at the hazard of my life, and
now in my last moments restore it to Caesar with the same fidelity.
Do not, I enjoin you, suffer a dishonor to be sustained in the field,
which never before happened to Caesar's army, but deliver it safe
into his hands.' By this accident the eagle was preserved, but all
the centurions of the first cohorts were killed, except the principal.

"And now the Pompeians, after great havoc of our troops, were
approaching Marcellinus's camp, and had struck no small terror into
the rest of the cohorts, when Marcus Antonius, who commanded the
nearest fort, being informed of what had happened, was observed
descending from the rising ground with twelve cohorts. His arrival
checked the Pompeians, and encouraged our men to recover from their
extreme affright. And shortly after, Caesar having got notice by the
smoke of all the forts, which was the usual signal on such occasions,
drafted off some cohorts from the outposts, and went to the scene of
action. And having there learned the loss he had sustained, and
perceiving that Pompeius had forced our works, and had encamped along
the coast, so that he was at liberty to forage, and had a
communication with his shipping, he altered his plan for conducting
the war, as his design had not succeeded, and ordered a strong
encampment to be made near Pompeius." ~ Gaius Julius Caesar,
Commentarius de Bello Civili 3.63-65

The engagement forced Caesar to withdraw, with Pompeius following
him, eventually forcing Caesar to make his stand at a place called
Pharsalus.


AUC 823 / 70 CE: Titus puts the Second Temple of Jerusalem to the
torch.

"AND now two of the legions had completed their banks on the eighth
day of the month [Ab]. Whereupon Titus gave orders that the battering
rams should be brought, and set over against the western edifice of
the inner temple; for before these were brought, the firmest of all
the other engines had battered the wall for six days together without
ceasing, without making any impression upon it; but the vast
largeness and strong connection of the stones were superior to that
engine, and to the other battering rams also. Other Romans did indeed
undermine the foundations of the northern gate, and after a world of
pains removed the outermost stones, yet was the gate still upheld by
the inner stones, and stood still unhurt; till the workmen,
despairing of all such attempts by engines and crows, brought their
ladders to the cloisters. Now the Jews did not interrupt them in so
doing; but when they were gotten up, they fell upon them, and fought
with them; some of them they thrust down, and threw them backwards
headlong; others of them they met and slew; they also beat many of
those that went down the ladders again, and slew them with their
swords before they could bring their shields to protect them; nay,
some of the ladders they threw down from above when they were full of
armed men; a great slaughter was made of the Jews also at the same
time, while those that bare the ensigns fought hard for them, as
deeming it a terrible thing, and what would tend to their great
shame, if they permitted them to be stolen away. Yet did the Jews at
length get possession of these engines, and destroyed those that had
gone up the ladders, while the rest were so intimidated by what those
suffered who were slain, that they retired; although none of the
Romans died without having done good service before his death. Of the
seditious, those that had fought bravely in the former battles did
the like now, as besides them did Eleazar, the brother's son of Simon
the tyrant. But when Titus perceived that his endeavors to spare a
foreign temple turned to the damage of his soldiers, and then be
killed, he gave order to set the gates on fire. Â…And now the soldiers
had already put fire to the gates, and the silver that was over them
quickly carried the flames to the wood that was within it, whence it
spread itself all on the sudden, and caught hold on the cloisters.
Upon the Jews seeing this fire all about them, their spirits sunk
together with their bodies, and they were under such astonishment,
that not one of them made any haste, either to defend himself or to
quench the fire, but they stood as mute spectators of it only.
However, they did not so grieve at the loss of what was now burning,
as to grow wiser thereby for the time to come; but as though the holy
house itself had been on fire already, they whetted their passions
against the Romans. This fire prevailed during that day and the next
also; for the soldiers were not able to burn all the cloisters that
were round about together at one time, but only by pieces." ~ Flavius
Josephus, The Jewish War 6.4.1-2


AUC 891 / 138 CE: Death of Emperor Hadrianus; ascension of Antoninus
Pius as Emperor.

"With such care did he govern all peoples under him that he looked
after all things and all men as if they were his own. As a result,
the provinces all prospered in his reign. [Unlike Hadrian] he did not
undertake any expedition other than the visiting of his own estates
in Campania, averring that the entourage of an emperor, even of one
overly frugal, was a burdensome thing to the provinces." ~ Scriptores
Historiae Augustae, Antoninus Pius 7.1 and 11

"On the sixth day before the Ides of July, for the ascension of divus
Antonius Pius, to divus Antonius Pius an ox." ~ fasti Duronis Europae


Today's thought is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 1012:

"One who follows reason in all things combines tranquility with
initiative; a cheerful spark with collected composure."
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56869 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-10
Subject: Famous statue of Romulus, Remus, and the wolf dated to ~1200 CE
Salvete omnes,

It seems the famous statue of Romulus, Remus, and the wolf is not
quite as ancient as previously thought. See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7499469.stm

Valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56870 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-07-10
Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
> I just wonder how the fees of having a bank account in Europe could 
> be ruinous ?
> Is that due to the fact when using a bank with branches in Europe ? 
> Or is that for a
> separate bank account in Europe ?

It was for a separate bank account.. Senator Astur investigated the 
costs in Hispania. I don't recall who looked in other European 
locations. But in any case it was very expensive to have a corporate 
style="line-height: 1.22em; ">account.

--------

Salvete Omnes,
the bank account in Eruope are not so expansive and there is a lot of internet bank very very cheap.
Wgen the Senatus Consultum passed we looked for a good bank account in Madrid. However the process to create the account was interrupted by the unavailability of the former tresury's managers to send the documents about NR Inc.
I hope now it would be possible to create a new account in Europe, appointing a chief of the activity and permitting to the Provinciae to erase the unuseful and expansive taxes about the intercontinental money transfers.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56871 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] IVth NR Pannonia Reenactment Camp in Szolnok during t


Cn. Lentulus leg. pr. pr. Quiritibus sal.


News from the Pannonian Nova Roman Camp:


The NR Camp is going well: today there will be our main day, with Roman Market, Slave Market Game, Gladiatorial Combats, Legion performance, ancient dance, Roman Wedding, public NR ritual etc, all as part of the city festival so seen by many spectators.

Nova Roma is starring again :-)

Each day so far, a sacrifice was conducted to Apollo because of the Ludi Apollinares, and to Concordia, too, since I'm Her priest. A third deity is every day added to these two, depending on the circumstances, and on the person al wishes of the participating members.

I have to say these rituals are really heartening, intim and personal, because I involve everibody's personal prayers into my oratio.

Livia Plauta, tribune of the plebs, has shown her martial skills, too, so be careful with her in the forum :-))))


Valete cum Apolline!



--- Mer 9/7/08, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> ha scritto:
Da: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] IVth NR Pannonia Reenactment Camp in Szolnok during the Ludi Apollinares
A: "Nova Roma ML" <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
Data: Mercoledì 9 luglio 2008, 07:28

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae: Senatui Populoque Novo Romano: sal.:

During the Ludi Apollinares, Pannonian citizens participate in the IV Nova Roman Reenactment Camp in Szolnok, Hungary, where we host 15-20 children and we teach them what Romanitas is, they recive military training, legionary drill, try to live the Roman military and civil life with religion and all the aspects and the other part of the Camp do similarly just with the barbarians (Sarmata).

Since there are the Games of Apollo, we combine this festivity with the Camp's program.

Yesterday there was a sacrifice to Apollo and Iuppiter and Concordia.

We will celebrate a open door dinner, too.

Our program in a very brief summary:

THE IV NOVA ROMA PANNONIA REENACTMENT CAMP PROGRAM

Some of our programs are together with the Szolnok City Festival where we perform our programs before many spectators, as part of the City Festival.

6th July, Sunday - p.m. 14:00 Opening ceremonies, starting the workshops, legionary trainings and main directions for the participants

7th July, Monday - a.m.: lecture about Roman army, workshops, p.m.: legionary training, start of the ancient theater piece (T. M. Plautus: Mercator) probations directed by a professional theater director, József Rigó

8th July, Tuesday - a.m.: Lectures about Roman army, mythology, archeology, p.m.: training of the legion and that of the barbarians, 20:00 our Sacrifice to Apollo, Iuppiter, Concordia at the City Festival

9th July, Wednesday - a.m.: legionary training, manual workshops, p.m.: Roman civil life; our legionary performance at the City Festival, Roman philosophy discussion at night

10th July, Thursday - a.m.: legionary training, p.m.: Barbarian life, workshops, 19:00 our Roman wedding ceremony reenactment at the City Festival

11th July, Friday - a.m.: legionary training, p.m.: 14:00 our MAIN PROGRAM at the City Festival: with Roman Market, Slave Market, Military Parade, Gladiatorial Combats, Religious Rituals etc... 19:00 Roman party at night

12th July, Saturday - a.m.: closing ceremonies, p.m.: 14:00 leaving the Camp.

We can receive guests who are Nova Roman citizens, so if anybody wants to join us, we are most glad and you will be molst welcome!

Curate, uti valeatis!

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
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Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
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Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56872 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: a. d. V Eidus Quinctiliae: Pyrrhus and Fabricius
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos salvas et servatas volunt.

Hodie est ante diem V Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies comitialis est:
Ludi Apollini

"If cut in the increase of the Moon, grain will increase in size." ~
Pliny N. H. 18.74

The sixth day of the Ludi Apollinares is celebrated with races in the
Circus Maximus


AUC 474 / 279 BCE: Fabricius and Pyrrhus

"After this Fabricius taking the consulate, a person came with a
letter to the camp written by the king's principal physician,
offering to take off Pyrrhus by poison, and so end the war without
further hazard to the Romans, if he might have a reward
proportionable to his service. Fabricius, hating the villainy of the
man, and disposing the other consul to the same opinion, sent
despatches immediately to Pyrrhus to caution him against the treason.
His letter was to this effect: "Caius Fabricius and Quintus Aemilius
consuls of the Romans, to Pyrrhus the king, health. You seem to have
made an ill-judgement both of your friends and enemies; you will
understand by reading this letter sent to us, that you are at war
with honest men, and trust villains and knaves. Nor do we disclose
this to you out of any favour to you, but lest your ruin might bring
a reproach upon us, as if we had ended the war, by treachery, as not
able to do it by force." When Pyrrhus had read the letter and made
inquiry into the treason, he punished the physician, and as an
acknowledgment to the Romans sent to Rome the prisoners without
ransom, and again employed Cineas to negotiate a peace for him. But
they, regarding it as at once too great a kindness from an enemy, and
too great a reward for not doing an ill thing to accept their
prisoners so, released in return an equal number of the Tarentines
and Samnites, but would admit of no debate of alliance or peace until
he had removed his arms and forces out of Italy, and sailed back to
Epirus with the same ships that brought him over." ~ Plutarch, Life
of Pyrrhus 21


AUC 823 / 70 CE: Titus continues his assault on the Temple of
Jerusalem into a second day.

"But then, on the next day, Titus commanded part of his army to
quench the fire, and to make a road for the more easy marching up of
the legions, while he himself gathered the commanders together. Of
those there were assembled the six principal persons: Tiberius
Alexander, the commander [under the general] of the whole army; with
Sextus Cerealis, the commander of the fifth legion; and Larcius
Lepidus, the commander of the tenth legion; and Titus Frigius, the
commander of the fifteenth legion: there was also with them Eternius,
the leader of the two legions that came from Alexandria; and Marcus
Antonius Julianus, procurator of Judea: after these came together all
the rest of the procurators and tribunes. Titus proposed to these
that they should give him their advice what should be done about the
holy house. Now some of these thought it would be the best way to act
according to the rules of war, [and demolish it,] because the Jews
would never leave off rebelling while that house was standing; at
which house it was that they used to get all together. Others of them
were of opinion, that in case the Jews would leave it, and none of
them would lay their arms up in it, he might save it; but that in
case they got upon it, and fought any more, he might burn it; because
it must then be looked upon not as a holy house, but as a citadel;
and that the impiety of burning it would then belong to those that
forced this to be done, and not to them. But Titus said,
that 'although the Jews should get upon that holy house, and fight us
thence, yet ought we not to revenge ourselves on things that are
inanimate, instead of the men themselves;' and that he was not in any
case for burning down so vast a work as that was, because this would
be a mischief to the Romans themselves, as it would be an ornament to
their government while it continued. So Fronto, and Alexander, and
Cerealis grew bold upon that declaration, and agreed to the opinion
of Titus. Then was this assembly dissolved, when Titus had given
orders to the commanders that the rest of their forces should lie
still; but that they should make use of such as were most courageous
in this attack. So he commanded that the chosen men that were taken
out of the cohorts should make their way through the ruins, and
quench the fire.

"Now it is true that on this day the Jews were so weary, and under
such consternation, that they refrained from any attacks. But on the
next day they gathered their whole force together, and ran upon those
that guarded the outward court of the temple very boldly, through the
east gate, and this about the second hour of the day. These guards
received that their attack with great bravery, and by covering
themselves with their shields before, as if it were with a wall, they
drew their squadron close together; yet was it evident that they
could not abide there very long, but would be overborne by the
multitude of those that sallied out upon them, and by the heat of
their passion. However, Caesar seeing, from the tower of Antonia,
that this squadron was likely to give way, he sent some chosen
horsemen to support them. Hereupon the Jews found themselves not able
to sustain their onset, and upon the slaughter of those in the
forefront, many of the rest were put to flight. But as the Romans
were going off, the Jews turned upon them, and fought them; and as
those Romans came back upon them, they retreated again, until about
the fifth hour of the day they were overborne, and shut themselves up
in the inner [court of the] temple.

"So Titus retired into the tower of Antonia, and resolved to storm
the temple the next day, early in the morning, with his whole army,
and to encamp round about the holy house." ~ Flavius Josephus, The
Jewish War 6.4.3-5


Our thought for today is from M. Tullius Cicero, De Finibus 3.19, 64

"Again [Stoics] hold that the Universe is governed by divine will; it
is a city or a state of which both men and Gods are members, and each
one of us is a part of this Universe; from which it is a natural
consequence that we should prefer the common advantage to our own.
For just as the laws set the safety of all above the safety of
individuals, so a good, wise and law-abiding man, conscious of his
duty to the state, looks to the advantage to the natural Universe
more than to that of himself or of any single individual."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56873 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: Re: AW: [Nova-Roma] A bank account in Europe !
M. Moravius Piscinus Quiritibus S. P. D:

As already mentioned, the Senate has already approved opening a bank
account in Europe. My colleague and I had been discussing this
further with some European Senators. What happened in the past was
that Patricia Cassia refused to send the funds designated for the
transfer, and ignored any request to send the documents required to
open the account. She has also, this year, repeatedly ignored
instructions and requests of the Consul to fulfill her duties as set
by the Senate last December. This extends into several area in
regard to Nova Roma's finances, which I had been discussing with the
Senate. The current Senate session is in recess as I am still
waiting on some information related to our finances.

Two things: First, and most importantly allow me to take this
opportunity to invite all Assidui to join the
NovaRomaComitiaCenturiata list. I wish to discuss Nova Roma's
finances further with our Cives, and especially with Nova Roma's
Assidui as it is important for ayou to know our current financial
situation. We have some important decisions to make this year for
Nova Roma's future, and we shall need the input of all of our Cives
on some of the issues we now face.

Second, to answer some concerns on the possibility of opening an
account in Europe now, we are still looking into where and how to do
so that will be cost efficient. Unlike what Bank of America's
website advertizes, they do not have "branches" in foreign
countries. They have contracts of agreement with banks in the cities
that Censor Modianus posted earlier. This does allow us to transfer
funds somewhat easily between the US and Europe. It is more of a
problem in South America as the Bank of America has no such
agreements with other banks in the region. The closest is a bank in
Mexico City with an agreement with B. of A.

We could improve upon the arrangement we now have by authorizing
another signatory who lives close to one of the European banks with
which B. of A. has an agreement. I have broached that issue with the
Senate, but i have not placed it on an agenda for a vote as of yet.
We would have to decide on who to consider, and for that I hve left
the issue to our European Senators to suggest which of them could
serve in this role.

Use of B. of A. and that of Paypal haave their limitations. Paypal
is not available to all of our Citizens. Bank transfer fees between
B. of A. and other European banks is more prohibitive imo, from what
I have been told, than the costs of having a second account in
another bank. As things are at the moment, we did open a second
account this year with B. of A. in order to separate out the funds
for the Magna Mater project from that of our other Funds. A second,
or now a third account, in a different banking system would make more
sense, if its intended use is best served by having it in another
banking system. We have to look at where to open an account that
will then cut our bank transfer fees. Where this is needed is with
the Magna Mater Project, and could foreseeably be so, too, with the
ToGR Project. However, opening such an account would also subject
NR, Inc. with banking taxes. Something that is not found in the US.
In the US, as individuals know, interest income from bank accounts is
added to other income before taxed as income. But our bank accounts
in the US are not directly taxed. With a corporation it works in a
similar manner. I am not entirely sure how it would be recorded for
a NFP corporation, but for a commercial corporation, your bank
holdings are figured into your assets, other material assets would be
placed into a formula to determine its taxable portion, and so on,
but a bank account is not directly taxed separately before making
your annual declarations. So we need to look how this might increase
our costs, and how European taxes on our banking there would be
handled for tax purposes in the US. I would think it shall all
balance out, but we have to look into it more.

With this last issue, we also need to look into where it would be
best to open an account. Not all European countries are in the same
EU associations. Therefore fees on bank transfers can be affected,
and taxation on bank accounts can differ from country to country. it
has been suggested to me that taxes on banks in Italy is much higher
than in some other countries. I don't know that for certain and it
is one of those issues I wish to discuss further when I travel to
Europe at the end of this month.

So, we have Senate approval to open a bank account in Europe, but we
are looking into details in order to see what will best serve Nova
Roma's needs in Europe and also keep our costs down to a minimum.
From what I have learned so far, it will become more cost efficient
to open an account in Europe, for certain purposes, but without
details a decision cannot be reached as yet on what action to take.
before the end of this year we should have a European bank account
opened, and begin moving towards opening some center for our European
interests, preferably in Roma itself, but that shall depend on many
additional concerns before a decision can be made.


I wish this discussion to be carried over to the Comitia Centuriata
where we can discuss it and other financial issues in more detail
among our Citizens. Such discussions should not be carried on in the
Nova-Roma main list. We cannot use the CPT as some of our Patrician
Citizens feel it improper for them to enter that list. While the
Comitia Populi Tributa is needed for another intended purpose in the
near future. So let me urge all Assidui once again to join the
Comitia Centuriata list at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaComitiaCenturiata/ The list
currently has only 20 members, while we have around 200 Assidui. it
is important that all Assidui learn more on where their money is and
what the Senate may do with it in the future. Other Citizens are
also invited to join the list if they wish to learn more on Nova
Roma's finances.

Valete optime


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Francesco Valenzano <fraelov@...>
wrote:
>
> > I just wonder how the fees of having a bank account in Europe
could
> > be ruinous ?
> > Is that due to the fact when using a bank with branches in
Europe ?
> > Or is that for a
> > separate bank account in Europe ?
>
> It was for a separate bank account. Senator Astur investigated the
> costs in Hispania. I don't recall who looked in other European
> locations. But in any case it was very expensive to have a
corporate
> account.
>
> --------
>
> Salvete Omnes,
> the bank account in Eruope are not so expansive and there is a lot
of internet bank very very cheap.
> Wgen the Senatus Consultum passed we looked for a good bank account
in Madrid. However the process to create the account was interrupted
by the unavailability of the former tresury's managers to send the
documents about NR Inc.
> I hope now it would be possible to create a new account in Europe,
appointing a chief of the activity and permitting to the Provinciae
to erase the unuseful and expansive taxes about the intercontinental
money transfers.
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
>
> Posta, news, sport, oroscopo: tutto in una sola pagina.
> Crea l'home page che piace a te!
> www.yahoo.it/latuapagina
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56874 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: Discussion of Nova Roma Finances
Ex Domo Consularis a. d. V Eidus Quin. M. Moravio Piscino T. Iulio
Sabino consulibus, anno AUC MMDCCLXI

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Consul: T. Iulio Sabino Consuli
collegae, Praetoribus, Tribunibus Plebis, Patribus Mátribusque
Conscriptís, Senatui Populoque Novo Romano, et Civibus, Novis
Romanis, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam dicit:

Important information concerning Nova Roma's financial situation was
recently presented to the Senate by the Consul. The Senate session is
being held in recess while the Consul waits on some additional
information. Therefore the Tribuni Plebis are not able yet to
report on our current session. But it is very important that all
Citizens come to learn our present situation as it concerns all of us
and because we, the Consules and others, wish to have further imput
from our Citizens on what course of action to take. We are at an
important crossroads to determine Nova Roma's future.

Just as an overview, Nova Roma's financial situation is better today
than had been previously thought. At the beginning of this year the
incoming Consules and our new Magister Aeraria, Quaestrix Consularis
E. Iunia, were informed that Nova Roma had only $14,979. There were
some serious problems with that figure. The Consules and Quaestrix
Consularis have spent six months trying to secure Nova Roma's funds,
our banking accounts, and our financial records and other important
documents. As of 1 July 2008 Nova Roma held $22,052.87 USD in
assets. Although a gain of over 47% might be considered a success in
any corporation, it does not represent a windfall. instead what has
been revealed in the process is that Nova Roma has had some serious
problems in the past handling of our finances. The Consules are now
reasonably assured that Nova Roma's funds and accounts have been
secured, and an ad hoc oversight group established for now, and
although it has been difficult, Nova Roma once again has its
documentation in order. And so now the Consules and the Senate shall
have to consider how to allocate Nova Roma's new found funds.

The Consules and Senator Curius Saturninus, who chairs the Senate
Committee of the Budget and Finances, wish to discuss Nova Roma
finances in further depth with our Citizens and thus gain some input
from you on what you wish to see Nova Roma do in the future. They
say one should put their mouth to where their money is, and thus we
are asking all Citizens to speak on where they think we should, as a
community, invest our limited assets.

Therefore I wish to invite ALL CITIZENS and especially our ASSIDUI as
you are the ones who have entrusted Nova Roma with your money, to
join with our magistrates, Senatores, and fellow Citizens in
subscribing to the Comitia Centuriata list. That is,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaComitiaCenturiata/ It will be
on that list alone that i will present information to our Cives, the
Quirites, as I have already present to the Senate. And together we
can discuss Nova Roma's future.

In less than three weeks I shall travel to VI Conventus Dacia where I
shall meet with my colleauge, Consul Titus Iulius Sabinus, and with
Senate Committee chairman Saturninus, as well as with Aedilis Curulis
P. Memmius Albucius who oversees our Magna Mater project and its
Aedilician Fund. Also present shall be one of our Tribuni Plebis.
Part of our time shall be devoted to issues related to finances. In
fact some of us have scheduled two extra days beyond the Conventus
itself to discuss these matters further. Thus there shall be more to
discuss on our lists here both during the Conventus and afterward.

This shall prove to be a very pivotal year for our Civitas, in the
Tenth Anniversary Year of Res publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae
Romanae. I encourage all of you to lend us your views on your money
and your views on the future of our Civitas, your organization, Nova
Roma.

Valete optime et vadete in pace Deorum.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56875 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: Re: IVth NR Pannonia Reenactment Camp in Szolnok during the LudiApol

Salvete!
 
Sorry for interrupting the fun of that festival, but I have to say that I had to give up of answering the Certamen Historicum about the Punic Wars, because when I sent the answers of the first 10 questions, I was told that I had to send the answers to the Praetores, but I wasn't given the E-Mails of any of them, so when I received the second set of questions I just ignored it. I thought a bunch before writing this, and I have to admit that I didn't want to make no one of you upset, but I thought it wasn't fair for me to keep those things inside me, and the main reason by my part to share this is because I'm in need of friends and some advice. and when I sent the answers for the first set of questions I had no intention of ruining the game for anyone else.
 
Vale,
 
Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 2:15 AM
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] IVth NR Pannonia Reenactment Camp in Szolnok during the LudiApollinares



Cn. Lentulus leg. pr. pr. Quiritibus sal.


News from the Pannonian Nova Roman Camp:


The NR Camp is going well: today there will be our main day, with Roman Market, Slave Market Game, Gladiatorial Combats, Legion performance, ancient dance, Roman Wedding, public NR ritual etc, all as part of the city festival so seen by many spectators.

Nova Roma is starring again :-)

Each day so far, a sacrifice was conducted to Apollo because of the Ludi Apollinares, and to Concordia, too, since I'm Her priest. A third deity is every day added to these two, depending on the circumstances, and on the person al wishes of the participating members.

I have to say these rituals are really heartening, intim and personal, because I involve everibody's personal prayers into my oratio.

Livia Plauta, tribune of the plebs, has shown her martial skills, too, so be careful with her in the forum :-))))


Valete cum Apolline!



--- Mer 9/7/08, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@ yahoo.it> ha scritto:
Da: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@ yahoo.it>
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] IVth NR Pannonia Reenactment Camp in Szolnok during the Ludi Apollinares
A: "Nova Roma ML" <nova-roma@yahoogrou ps.com>
Data: Mercoledì 9 luglio 2008, 07:28

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae: Senatui Populoque Novo Romano: sal.:

During the Ludi Apollinares, Pannonian citizens participate in the IV Nova Roman Reenactment Camp in Szolnok, Hungary, where we host 15-20 children and we teach them what Romanitas is, they recive military training, legionary drill, try to live the Roman military and civil life with religion and all the aspects and the other part of the Camp do similarly just with the barbarians (Sarmata).

Since there are the Games of Apollo, we combine this festivity with the Camp's program.

Yesterday there was a sacrifice to Apollo and Iuppiter and Concordia.

We will celebrate a open door dinner, too.

Our program in a very brief summary:

THE IV NOVA ROMA PANNONIA REENACTMENT CAMP PROGRAM

Some of our programs are together with the Szolnok City Festival where we perform our programs before many spectators, as part of the City Festival.

6th July, Sunday - p.m. 14:00 Opening ceremonies, starting the workshops, legionary trainings and main directions for the participants

7th July, Monday - a.m.: lecture about Roman army, workshops, p.m.: legionary training, start of the ancient theater piece (T. M. Plautus: Mercator) probations directed by a professional theater director, József Rigó

8th July, Tuesday - a.m.: Lectures about Roman army, mythology, archeology, p.m.: training of the legion and that of the barbarians, 20:00 our Sacrifice to Apollo, Iuppiter, Concordia at the City Festival

9th July, Wednesday - a.m.: legionary training, manual workshops, p.m.: Roman civil life; our legionary performance at the City Festival, Roman philosophy discussion at night

10th July, Thursday - a.m.: legionary training, p.m.: Barbarian life, workshops, 19:00 our Roman wedding ceremony reenactment at the City Festival

11th July, Friday - a.m.: legionary training, p.m.: 14:00 our MAIN PROGRAM at the City Festival: with Roman Market, Slave Market, Military Parade, Gladiatorial Combats, Religious Rituals etc... 19:00 Roman party at night

12th July, Saturday - a.m.: closing ceremonies, p.m.: 14:00 leaving the Camp.

We can receive guests who are Nova Roman citizens, so if anybody wants to join us, we are most glad and you will be molst welcome!

Curate, uti valeatis!

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------ --------- --------- --------- ---
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
------------ --------- --------- --------- ----
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56876 From: iohannkn Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: Re: Famous statue of Romulus, Remus, and the wolf dated to ~1200 CE
But what of the contrast of the styles of the two elements? The wolf
was rendered in what seems a ruder style, while the babes were done far
differently, in an almost Renaissance style....

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> It seems the famous statue of Romulus, Remus, and the wolf is not
> quite as ancient as previously thought. See
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7499469.stm
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56877 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: MY APOLOGIES TO LVSITANVS

Severus Lusitano omnibusque sal.

 

I received your answers to the first group of questions, even if your message was rightly prevented from being posted in the ML.

I thought that after the recommendation that you received from the Praetorian Cohors, you'd send your answers to the second group, using the mail published in the Edictum de Ludi Apollinaribus: praetores.novaroma2008@..., or at least, using the link for the Praetores to be found in our web site.

I realize that I should have written to you directly, since you were so enthusiastic about the Certamen. Me apologies for not doing so.
You didn't ruin the game for anybody else and you well deserved to participate. I am sorry that the things went so wrong.

You write that you want to find friends. Please allow me the honor of becoming your friend.

 

Optime vale,


M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56878 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-07-11
Subject: Re: MY APOLOGIES TO LVSITANVS

Salve!
 
That's right, your apologies are accepted. and I accept your offer.
 
Vale,
 
Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:25 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] MY APOLOGIES TO LVSITANVS

Severus Lusitano omnibusque sal.

 

I received your answers to the first group of questions, even if your message was rightly prevented from being posted in the ML.

I thought that after the recommendation that you received from the Praetorian Cohors, you'd send your answers to the second group, using the mail published in the Edictum de Ludi Apollinaribus: praetores.novaroma2 008@gmail. com, or at least, using the link for the Praetores to be found in our web site.

I realize that I should have written to you directly, since you were so enthusiastic about the Certamen. Me apologies for not doing so.
You didn't ruin the game for anybody else and you well deserved to participate. I am sorry that the things went so wrong.

You write that you want to find friends. Please allow me the honor of becoming your friend.

 

Optime vale,


M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56879 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-12
Subject: AT Introductory and Intermediate Latin registration
AT Introductory and Intermediate Latin registration
A. Tullia Scholastica quirítibus, sociís, peregrínísque bonae voluntátis S.P.D.

   

    Registration is now open in both the introductory and intermediate traditional Latin courses offered by the Academia Thules, though only those who already have the textbook, Wheelock’s Latin, Sixth Edition, Revised by La Fleur, will be admitted.  This textbook is commonly available in US university bookstores and elsewhere, and should not be difficult to find, especially in English-speaking countries, as the text is very popular.  It is also not terribly expensive.  

    Our courses are quite rigorous, and require effort on the part of the student; the introductory course covers the first 22 lessons in the text, and requires memorization of vocabulary and grammatical paradigms as well as of various syntactical rules.  Weekly written homework is also required, not to mention a couple of tests.  The intermediate course covers lessons 23-40 of the text, followed by several readings both in and out of the text.  Memorization of vocabulary and the remaining paradigms as well as of syntactical rules is required, as is written and auditory homework and a pair of tests.  

    Those interested in either of these courses may register at will once they have an identity from the Academia Thules and the textbook; intermediate students must also fulfill the academic prerequisites.  All prospective students must contact me to obtain the enrollment key which is necessary before the registration process can be completed.   Registration will, however, end on the first day of class; the introductory course will begin September 15th, and the intermediate one will begin September 8th.   All students from the just-concluded Grammatica Latina I class who wished to do so have now migrated to the more exalted realms of Grammatica Latina II; other qualified individuals are welcome to join them there.  There are no academic prerequisites for Grammatica Latina I, but one must have the text before being allowed to register.  

    The rewards for learning Latin are great, not least for cultores, who may then come to understand what the sacerdos is saying in the sacra publica.  Those who speak English will come to understand the 60% or so of the English vocabulary which comes from Latin, and speakers of Romance languages may also profit from understanding the source of the grammar and much of the vocabulary of their respective languages.  Yes, there is work involved, and a fair bit of time, too, but those who stick it out will reap great rewards.  One of my students, who has just completed only the introductory course, is already writing in Latin on the Latinitas board.  You, too, can learn to do that...and to read Caesar and Cicero, Livy and even Tacitus.  

   
Valete.  



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56880 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2008-07-12
Subject: gathering ideas about NR financies
Salvete omnes,

In reference to the message posted by the Consul, the Senate committee of financies would like to gather ideas from citizens. If you have an idea how spend NR money, how to make money for NR, how to improve our financial procedures etc., please don't let them just drown to the digests of these mailing lists, but instead insert them to the wiki page of the Senate committee:


This will help us all to keep our focus and organise things.

Valete,

C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56881 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-12
Subject: a. d. IIII Eidus Qinctiliae: Dies Natalis C. Iulii Caesari
Hodie est ante diem IIII Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies comitialis est:
Ludi Apollini; ludi feriae quod eo die Caius Caesar est natus

The seventh day of the Ludi Apollinares saw the people of the City
feasting at the entrances to their homes. To the tables would be
brought images of their Lares, and all passers-by would be invited to
dine with them. Then in the evening the people went to the
theatrical performances that were put on in honor of Apollo.

AUC 653 / 100 BC: Birth of Caius Iulius Caesar

"On the fourth day before the Ides of July, for the dies natalis divi
Iulius Caesari, to divus Iulius an ox." ~ Fasti Duronis Europae

Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres, quarum unam incolunt Belgae,
aliam Aquitani, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Galli
appellantur:

"All Gaul is divided into three parts, one of which the Belgae
inhabit, the Aquitani another, those who in their own language are
called Celts, in Latin the Galli, the third. All these differ from
each other in language, customs and laws." ~ C. Iulius Caesar,
Commentarii de bello Gallico, 1.1


AUC 696 / 57 BCE: Battle of the Sambre

For all of his better known successes, perhaps the most significant
battle in Caesar's career was when he faced the Belgae on the
Sambre. The campaign itself exposed Caesar's inabilities as a
general, as well as what gave him success so often. Caught by
surprise with the onrush of the Nervii on his exposed camp:

"Caesar had everything to do at one time: the standard to be
displayed, which was the sign when it was necessary to run to arms;
the signal to be given by the trumpet; the soldiers to be called off
from the works; those who had proceeded some distance for the purpose
of seeking materials for the rampart, to be summoned; the order of
battle to be formed; the soldiers to be encouraged; the watchword to
be given. A great part of these arrangements was prevented by the
shortness of time and the sudden approach and charge of the enemy.
Under these difficulties two things proved of advantage; [first] the
skill and experience of the soldiers, because, having been trained by
former engagements, they could suggest to themselves what ought to be
done, as conveniently as receive information from others; and
[secondly] that Caesar had forbidden his several lieutenants to
depart from the works and their respective legions, before the camp
was fortified. These, on account of the near approach and the speed
of the enemy, did not then wait for any command from Caesar, but of
themselves executed whatever appeared proper."

What saved Caesar so often was his uncanny ability to select the very
best lieutenants. In this instance it was Titus Labienus, brining up
two legions of the rear-guard that was to reinforce Caesar just when
he needed them most. Fortuna often favored Caesar, and he always
trusted in Her assistance. Caesar also often mentions the men of the
lowest ranks for whose service he owed so much. At the Battle of the
Sambre Caesar did not neglect to mention First Centurian of Legio
XII, Publius Sextius Baculus, who, though wounded several times and
severely exhausted, pushed himself to the front of the line at a
critical time. Caesar's full account of the battle is found in the
Bella Gallica, Book II. 16-28:

http://www.forumromanum.org/literature/caesar/gallic_e2.html#16

Towards the end of his life, after all of his successes, the Senate
granted various honors and special privileges to Caesar.

"These were as follows in number and nature; for I shall name them
all together, even if they were not all proposed or passed at one
time. First, then, they voted that he should always ride, even in the
city itself, wearing the triumphal dress, and should sit in his chair
of state everywhere except at the games; for at those he received the
privilege of watching the contests from the tribunes' benches in
company with those who were tribunes at the time. And they gave him
the right to offer spolia opima, as they are called, at the temple of
Jupiter Feretrius, as if he had slain some hostile general with his
own hand, and to have lictors whoalways carried laurel, and after the
Feriae Latinae to ride from the Alban Mount into the City on
horseback. In addition to these remarkable privileges they named him
father of his country, stamped this title on the coinage, voted to
celebrate his birthday by public sacrifice, ordered that he should
have a statue in the cities and in all the temples of Rome, and they
set up two also on the rostra, one representing him as the savior of
the citizens and the other as the deliverer of the City from siege,
and wearing the crowns customary for such achievements. They also
resolved to build a temple of Concordia Nova, on the ground that it
was through his efforts that they enjoyed peace, and to celebrate an
annual festival in her honor." ~ Dio Cassius 44.4


AUC 823 / 70 CE: The Temple of Jerusalem burns into a third day, as
Titus tries in vain to save it, and the Romans finally capture it.

"It was the tenth day of the month [Ab,] upon which [the Temple] was
formerly burnt by the king of Babylon; although these flames took
their rise from the Jews themselves, and were occasioned by them; for
upon Titus's retiring, the seditious lay still for a little while,
and then attacked the Romans again, when those that guarded the holy
house fought with those [Romans] that quenched the fire that was
burning the inner [court of the] temple; but these Romans put the
Jews to flight, and proceeded as far as the holy house itself. At
which time one of the soldiers, without staying for any orders, and
without any concern or dread upon him at so great an undertaking, and
being hurried on by a certain divine fury, snatched somewhat out of
the materials that were on fire, and being lifted up by another
soldier, he set fire to a golden window, through which there was a
passage to the rooms that were round about the holy house, on the
north side of it. As the flames went upward, the Jews made a great
clamor, such as so mighty an affliction required, and ran together to
prevent it; and now they spared not their lives any longer, nor
suffered an thing to restrain their force, since that holy house was
perishing, for whose sake it was that they kept such a guard about
it.

"And now a certain person came running to Titus, and told him of this
fire, as he was resting himself in his tent after the last battle;
whereupon he rose up in great haste, and, as he was, ran to the holy
house, in order to have a stop put to the fire; after him followed
all his commanders, and after them followed the several legions, in
great astonishment; so there was a great clamor and tumult raised, as
was natural upon the disorderly motion of so great an army. Then did
Caesar, both by calling with a loud voice to the soldiers that were
fighting and by giving a signal to them with his right hand ordered
them to quench the fire. But they did not hear what he said, even
though he spoke so loud, having their ears already dimmed by a
greater noise another way; nor did they attend to the signal he made
with his hand neither, as still some of them were distracted with
fighting, and others with passion. But as for the legions that came
running thither, neither any persuasions nor any threatening could
restrain their violence, but each one's own passion was his commander
at this time; and as they were crowding into the temple together,
many of them were trampled on by one another, while a great number
fell among the ruins of the cloisters, which were still hot and
smoking, and were destroyed in the same miserable way with those whom
they had conquered; and when they were come near the holy house, they
made as if they did not so much as hear Caesar's orders to the
contrary; but they encouraged those that were before them to set it
on fire. As for the seditious Jews, they were in too great distress
already to afford their assistance [towards quenching the fire]; they
were everywhere slain, and every where beaten; and as for a great
part of the people, they were weak and without arms, and had their
throats cut wherever they were caught. Now round about the altar lay
dead bodies heaped one upon another, as at the steps going up to it
ran a great quantity of their blood, whither also the dead bodies
that were slain above [on the altar] fell down.

"And now, since Caesar was no way able to restrain the enthusiastic
fury of the soldiers, and the fire proceeded on more and more, he
went into the holy place of the temple, with his commanders, and saw
it, with what was in it, which he found to be far superior to what
the relations of foreigners contained, and not inferior to what we
ourselves boasted of and believed about it. But as the flame had not
as yet reached to its inward parts, but was still consuming the rooms
that were about the holy house, and Titus supposing what the fact
was, that the house itself might yet he saved, he came in haste and
endeavored to persuade the soldiers to quench the fire, and gave
order to Liberalius the centurion, and one of those spearmen that
were about him, to beat the soldiers that were refractory with their
staves, and to restrain them; yet were their passions too hard for
the regards they had for Caesar, and the dread they had of him who
forbade them, as was their hatred of the Jews, and a certain vehement
inclination to fight them, too hard for them also. Moreover, the hope
of plunder induced many to go on, as having this opinion, that all
the places within were full of money, and as seeing that all round
about it was made of gold. And besides, one of those that went into
the place prevented Caesar, when he ran so hastily out to restrain
the soldiers, and threw the fire upon the hinges of the gate, in the
dark; whereby the flame burst out from within the holy house itself
immediately, when the commanders retired, and Caesar with them, and
when nobody any longer forbade those that were without to set fire to
it. And thus was the holy house burnt down, without Caesar's
approbation.

"Now although any one would justly lament the destruction of such a
work as this was, since it was the most admirable of all the works
that we have seen or heard of, both for its curious structure and its
magnitude, and also for the vast wealth bestowed upon it, as well as
for the glorious reputation it had for its holiness; yet might such a
one comfort himself with this thought, that it was fate that decreed
it so to be, which is inevitable, both as to living creatures, and as
to works and places also. However, one cannot but wonder at the
accuracy of this period thereto relating; for the same month and day
were now observed, as I said before, wherein the holy house was burnt
formerly by the Babylonians. Now the number of years that passed from
its first foundation, which was laid by king Solomon, till this its
destruction, which happened in the second year of the reign of
Vespasian, are collected to be one thousand one hundred and thirty,
besides seven months and fifteen days; and from the second building
of it, which was done by Haggai, in the second year of Cyrus the
king, till its destruction under Vespasian, there were six hundred
and thirty-nine years and forty-five days." ~ Flavius Josephus,The
Jewish War 6.4.5-7


Our thought for today, on Caesar's birthday, is taken from Epicurus,
Vatican Sayings 81, since he, or at least his father-in-law, were
regarded as Epicurians:

"The soul neither rids itself of disturbance nor gains a worthwhile
joy through the possession of greatest wealth, nor by the honor and
admiration bestowed by the crowd, or through any of the other things
sought by unlimited desire."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56882 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2008-07-12
Subject: Re: Famous statue of Romulus, Remus, and the wolf dated to ~1200 CE
iohannkn wrote:
> But what of the contrast of the styles of the two elements? The wolf
> was rendered in what seems a ruder style, while the babes were done far
> differently, in an almost Renaissance style....

Salve,

To quote the article:

"[...] The figures of Romulus and Remus have already been shown to be
15th Century additions to the statue. [...]"

and

"[...] [A]bout 20 tests were carried out on the she-wolf at the
University of Salerno. [...] [T]he results of the tests gave a very
precise indication that the statue was manufactured in the 13th Century.
[...]"

So the wolf was made, probably through use of a wax mould, in the 13th
century and two centuries later, in the 15th century, the twins were
added in the then-current late-medieval style.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56883 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Iubet bono animo esse

Hodie est ante diem III Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies comitialis est:
Ludi Apollini in circo; dies natalis censorii Cn. Equiti Marini.

Felices natalis, Gnae Equiti Marine! Bonam habe Fortunam.

The eight day of the Ludi Apollinares continues with theatrical
performances.

AUC 321-322 / 432-431 BCE: The dedication of the Temple of Apollo
Medicus in the Campus Martius outside the pomoerium.

"Come, Dii Penates, come Apollo and Neptune and all You Gods, and by
Your powers may You mercifully turn aside this ill disease that
violently twists, scorches and burns our city with fever." ~ Arnobius
Adversus Nationes III 43

"The pestilence that year gave respite from other concerns. A temple
was vowed to Apollo for the health of the people. The duumvirs did
many things prescribed by the sacred Sibylline books to appease the
wrath of the Gods and remove the pestilence from the people. The
mortality, notwithstanding, was heavy both in the City and in the
country districts; men and beasts alike perished. Owing to the losses
amongst the cultivators of the soil, a famine was feared as the
result of the pestilence, and agents were dispatched to Etruria and
the Pomptine territory and Cumae, and at last even to Sicily, to
procure corn." ~ Titus Livius 4.25

Apollo had been known at Rome from a very early period. Already by
the Late Regal period, a district in the Campus Martius was known as
a templum of Apollo. This fanum was dedicated to Apollo Medicus, who
represented Sanctus Soranus of Sorancte, identified with the Etruscan
Apulu rather than with Greek Apollo. It was not until the time of
Augustus that the solar Apollo of the Greeks as a patron of arts had
begun. In the Republican period, Apollo was known solely as a God of
medicine:

"Phoebus Apollo, bearer of health, for You we compose our song, and
favorably promote Your discoveries. With Your healing arts, You lead
life back when it is withdrawn from us and recall us from joining the
Manes in Heaven. You who formerly dwelt in the temples of Aegea,
Pergamum, and Epidaurum, and who drove off the Python from Your
peaceful house at Delphi, sought a temple at Rome to Your glory, by
expelling the foul presence of illness. Come to me now as each time
You have fondly strengthen me when often You were called, and may You
be present in all that is set out in this book." ~ Sammonicus
Praefatio Liber Medicinalis

The priests of Soranus held a unique position for they were given
Roman citizenship even when their city had not yet gained such a
privilege. With their charge came a special rite that they alone
could perform. This involved a passage over hotcoals, by barefoot
priests, to deliver offerings at the altar of Apollo Soranus.

"Apollo Soranus, Highest of the Gods, Holy Guardian of Mount Soracte,
we who are foremost among Your worshippers, for You we set to flame
the piled pine-wood, and Your worshippers, piously trusting our faith
in You among the fires, press our step across the glowing embers.
Grant, Father Almighty, that by our arms we may erase this disgrace.
No plunder did I seek, no trophy to win from virgins, or any spoils;
my fame shall follow from my feats. But while this dire plague
strikes me with illness, inglorious I must return to the cities of
our fathers." ~ Virgil Aeneid 11.785-93

The priests of Soranus, or at least one, also held a special
privilege in that they bore the secret name by which the patron deity
of Rome was invoked. Rome had performed the rite of evocation of Juno
Regina Veii, again at Carthage to bring Juno Caeliste (Tanit) to
Rome, and apparently at other places as well. rome was therefore
careful to safeguard the name of the Goddess who protected Rome. It
was recorded that Valerius Soranus made the mistake of leting the
name slip in a casual conversation, and paid for his err with his
life (Pliny, N.H. III.65-67).

Dedicating any temple was an important act, and an honor of the
person so selected, because he was chosen by lot and thus was seen as
a person who had received his commision from the Gods.

"The other consul, C. Julius, dedicated the temple of Apollo in his
colleague's absence, without waiting to draw lots with him as to who
should do it. Quinctius was very angry at this, and after he had
disbanded his army and returned to the City, he laid a protest before
the senate, but nothing came of it." ~ Titus Livius 4.29


Once vowed, a site had to be selected and sanctified by an augur
who "erected" the templum, or sacred precinct. The temple was built
usually by a commision of two men, duumviri, of which one would
perform the dedication rite, which could only be performed by having
one of the pontifices act as a promptor to recite the dedication
formula. Only the pontifices could then consecrate the site, which
they did by perfoming a special ritual, circling the entire site
along with the sacrificial victims. Then every implement for the
temple had to dedicated and sanctified. And even the staff had to be
dedicated in a ritual to their service to the temple.

"Give your favour, Phoebus, to a new priest who enters your temple.
Be gracious, and with songs and lyre, come! When your fingers pluck
the chords, and you give voice to song, I pray you may inspire my
words into your praises. May your hair be ever flowing, Phoebus; may
your sister be forever chaste." ~ Tibullus 2.5.1-4; 122-3


Apollo would be invoked and invited to enter the temple to use as his
house whenever he came to visit the City. While His temple served to
aid the City against general plagues, and the temples of Apollo
Medicus and those of Aesculapis would be home to Greek doctors in one
of several medical practices, those of the Hippocratics, His temple
also encourgared private practice of families calling upon Him.

"Come, Phoebus, with Your golden hair loosely floating, soothe her
torture, restore her fair complexion. Come quickly, we pray, we
implore, use Your happy skills, such charms as You never spared
before. Grant that her frail fame shall not waste away with
consumption, or her eyes grow languid, and her bloom fade. Come now
with Your favoring aid." ~ Tibullus 4.4.1 ff.

"Phoebus Tirynthia, I pray, please accept this offering on my behalf.
This gift I offer in thanks to You for the good health and strength
that I have had." ~ Anthologia Latina 2.1841


Our thought for today is taken from Marcus Aurelius 9.16:

"Not in feeling, but in activity lie the good and evil of the
rational social animal, just as his virtue and his vice lie not in
passivity, but in activity."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56884 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Salve Marce Horati,

marcushoratius <mhoratius@...> writes:

[...]
> Hodie est ante diem III Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies comitialis est:
> Ludi Apollini in circo; dies natalis censorii Cn. Equiti Marini.
>
> Felices natalis, Gnae Equiti Marine! Bonam habe Fortunam.

Thank you! It's a great day so far.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56885 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini

Severus Marino omnibusque sal.

 

Happy birthday, Marinus! ¡Feliz cumpleaños! Ad multos annos vivas!

 

With my very best wishes,...

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56886 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Salve Severe,

M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...> writes:

> Severus Marino omnibusque sal.
> Happy birthday, Marinus! ¡Feliz cumpleaños! Ad multos annos vivas!

Gracias amigo!

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56887 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Re: [Nova-Roma] a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini

 A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Equitio Marino S.P.D.

Salve Marce Horati,

marcushoratius <mhoratius@... <mailto:mhoratius%40sbcglobal.net> > writes:

[...]
> Hodie est ante diem III Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies comitialis est:
> Ludi Apollini in circo; dies natalis censorii Cn. Equiti Marini.
>
> Felices natalis, Gnae Equiti Marine! Bonam habe Fortunam.

    ATS:  Et tibi felicem diem natalem plurimos in futurum exopto, Marine!  (translation will be provided upon request, but I think you can figure this out).  

Thank you!  It's a great day so far.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Vale, et valete.
 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56888 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Salve Aula Tullia,

"A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> writes:

> ATS: Et tibi felicem diem natalem plurimos in futurum exopto, Marine!
> (translation will be provided upon request, but I think you can figure this
> out).

Thank you. I think I got the gist of it. (Except for the part
involving the polar bear.)

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56889 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
SALVE EQUITI MARINE!
 
Happy birthday! All the best to you and your family, my friend!
 
VALE OPTIME,
IVL SABINVS

marcushoratius <mhoratius@...> wrote:
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Iubet bono animo esse

Hodie est ante diem III Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies comitialis est:
Ludi Apollini in circo; dies natalis censorii Cn. Equiti Marini.

Felices natalis, Gnae Equiti Marine! Bonam habe Fortunam.





"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56890 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Salve Sabine!

iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> writes:

> SALVE EQUITI MARINE!
>
> Happy birthday! All the best to you and your family, my friend!

Thank you!

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56891 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Salve Gnaeus Marinus!

Congratulation on your birthday. Sorry to be a couple of hours too
late according to Rome time, but as we are friends since a long time
now I am sure that You agree that it is the thought that counts. ;-)

**************

13 jul 2008 kl. 13.45 skrev Gnaeus Equitius Marinus:

Salve Marce Horati,

marcushoratius <mhoratius@...> writes:

[...]
> Hodie est ante diem III Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies comitialis est:
> Ludi Apollini in circo; dies natalis censorii Cn. Equiti Marini.
>
> Felices natalis, Gnae Equiti Marine! Bonam habe Fortunam.

Thank you! It's a great day so far.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS



*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56892 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: THE WINNERS OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI

Salvete quirites et romani!

The winner of the Certamen Historicum and the Corona Ludi Humanitas of the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI a.U.c., is:

MARCVS MARTIANIVS LVPVS, with 101 points.

Our very special recognition for Tiberius Galaerius Paulinus, who obtained 100.5 points, scarcely half a point less than the winner; and our gratitude for all the participants.

The winner of the Photo/Video Contest and the Corona Ludi Humanitas of the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI a.U.c., is:

LVCIA LIVIA PLAVTA,

Whose work will be posted in our web site. We also want to thank the rest of the participants.

Valete optime,

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS

PRÆTOR VRBANVS

MARCVS IVLIVS SEVERVS

PRÆTOR PEREGRINVS

 


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56893 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: SPECIAL GRATITVDE AND RECOGNITION

Salvete quirites et romani!

 

We want to express our very special gratitude and recognition to the members of the Jury of the Certamen Historicum and of the Photo/Video Contest of the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI:

 

- Consul T. Iulius Sabinus
- Censor K. Fabius Buteo Modianus
- Aedilis Curulis P. Memmius Albucius

 

His support and his work have been invaluable.

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS

PRÆTOR VRBANVS

 

MARCVS IVLIVS SEVERVS

PRÆTOR PEREGRINVS


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56894 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Salve Caeso Fabi,

Christer Edling <christer.edling@...> writes:

> Salve Gnaeus Marinus!
>
> Congratulation on your birthday. Sorry to be a couple of hours too
> late according to Rome time, but as we are friends since a long time
> now I am sure that You agree that it is the thought that counts. ;-)

Hey, when you've lived as long as we have, what's one day more or less?
Thanks so much for the birthday wishes.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56895 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - Details, results.. on a spec. wiki page!
Omnibus s.d.

You will find the results, and, for the Certamen Historicum on Punic
Wars, the Corrected version, on the following wiki page :

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Ludi_Apollinari_2761_AUC_%28Nova_Roma%29


Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
for Praetor M. Iulius Severus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56896 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: "When Rome Ruled Egypt" on the Discovery Channel tonight
Salve,

On the Discovery Channel tonight at 9 PM Central. "When Rome Ruled Egypt", a story of war, love, betrayal and treasure, When Rome Ruled Egypt recounts the days of Roman occupation, and goes in search of the immense riches they may have left behind.

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56897 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-07-13
Subject: Re: THE WINNERS OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI

Salve!
 
My felicitations for the winners.
 
Vale,
 
Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:34 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] THE WINNERS OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI

Salvete quirites et romani!

The winner of the Certamen Historicum and the Corona Ludi Humanitas of the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI a.U.c., is:

MARCVS MARTIANIVS LVPVS, with 101 points.

Our very special recognition for Tiberius Galaerius Paulinus, who obtained 100.5 points, scarcely half a point less than the winner; and our gratitude for all the participants.

The winner of the Photo/Video Contest and the Corona Ludi Humanitas of the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI a.U.c., is:

LVCIA LIVIA PLAVTA,

Whose work will be posted in our web site. We also want to thank the rest of the participants.

Valete optime,

MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS

PRÆTOR VRBANVS

MARCVS IVLIVS SEVERVS

PRÆTOR PEREGRINVS

 




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Subject: File - EDICTUM DE SERMONE
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56900 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
Re: [Nova-Roma] a. d. III Eidus Quinctiliae: Dies Natalis Cn. Equiti Marini
A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Equitio Marino S.P.D.
 

Salve Aula Tullia,

"A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@... <mailto:fororom%40localnet.com> > writes:

>     ATS:  Et tibi felicem diem natalem plurimos in futurum exopto, Marine!
> (translation will be provided upon request, but I think you can figure this
> out).

Thank you.  I think I got the gist of it.  (Except for the part  
involving the polar bear.)

    ATS2:  Polar bear?  Ursus arctus, if I’m not mistaken?  Why, the poor things couldn’t stand the climate either in the Metromess or here, though at least today is bearable for us humans.  Welcome, sweet cold front, we greet thee in song...

    plurimos in futurum means many more for the future.  

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Vale, et valete.
 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56901 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: THE WINNERS OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI
Congratulations to

MARCVS MARTIANIVS LVPVS

Well done!!!

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


>From: "Bruno Cantermi" <brunocantermi@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] THE WINNERS OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI
>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:34:29 -0400
>
>Salve!
>
>My felicitations for the winners.
>
>Vale,
>
>Lusitanus SPD.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: M���IVL���SEVERVS
> To: Praetores 2008 ; Nova Roma Announce ; Cohors Praetores ; Nova Roma
> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:34 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] THE WINNERS OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI
>
>
> Salvete quirites et romani!
>
>
> The winner of the Certamen Historicum and the Corona Ludi
>Humanitas of the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI a.U.c., is:
>
>
> MARCVS MARTIANIVS LVPVS, with 101 points.
>
>
> Our very special recognition for Tiberius Galaerius Paulinus, who
>obtained 100.5 points, scarcely half a point less than the winner; and our
>gratitude for all the participants.
>
>
> The winner of the Photo/Video Contest and the Corona Ludi
>Humanitas of the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI a.U.c., is:
>
>
> LVCIA LIVIA PLAVTA,
>
>
> Whose work will be posted in our web site. We also want to thank
>the rest of the participants.
>
>
> Valete optime,
>
>
> MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
>
> PR��TOR VRBANVS
>
>
> MARCVS IVLIVS SEVERVS
>
> PR��TOR PEREGRINVS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56902 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: LUDI APOLLINARES - Closing
We M. Curiatius Complutensis and M. Iulius Severus, Praetores of Nova Roma, hereby solemny declare Ludi Apollinares 2761 AuC closed
 
My congratulations to the winners of the Ludi.
 

Hymn to  Apollo
John Lyly.
Midas, 1592 

Sing to Apollo, god of day,
Whose golden beams with morning play,
And make her eyes as brightly shine,
Aurora's face is called divine;
Sing to Phoebus and that throne
Of diamonds which he sits upon.
Io pæans let us sing
To physic's and to poesy's king!

Crown all his altars with bright fire,
Laurels bind about his lyre,
A Daphnean coronet for his head,
The Muses dance about his bed;
When on his ravishing lute he plays,
Strew his temple round with bays.
Io pæans let us sing
To the glittering Delian king
!

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56903 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Pridie Eidus Quinctiliae: Battle of Asculum
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos servent cum vester.

Hodie est die pristine Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies comitialis est:

AUC 474 / 279 BCE: Pyrrhic victory at Battle of Asculum.

There are two main accounts of the battle, by Plutarch and Dionysius
of Halicarnassus, while the most important, that of Hieronymus, is
missing. Livy's account is also missing; all that remains is a
summary in the Perioche (13.9): "For the second time, the Romans
fought unsuccessfully against Pyrrhus."

"Afterwards, his affairs demanding a second fight, when he had
refreshed his men, he decamped, and met the Romans about the city
Asculum, where, however, he was much incommoded by a woody country
unfit for his horse, and a swift river, so that the elephants, for
want of sure treading, could not get up with the infantry. After many
wounded and many killed, night put an end to the engagement. Next
day, designing to make the fight on even ground, and have the
elephants among the thickest of the enemy, he caused a detachment to
possess themselves of those incommodious grounds, and, mixing
slingers and archers among the elephants, with full strength and
courage, he advanced in a close and well-ordered body. The Romans,
not having those advantages of retreating and falling on as they
pleased, which they had before, were obliged to fight man to man upon
plain ground, and, being anxious to drive back the infantry before
the elephants could get up, they fought fiercely with their swords
among the Macedonian spears, not sparing themselves, thinking only to
wound and kill, without regard to what they suffered. After a long
and obstinate fight, the first giving ground is reported to have been
where Pyrrhus himself engaged with extraordinary courage; but they
were most carried away by the overwhelming force of the elephants,
not being able to make use of their valour, but overthrown as it were
by the irruption of a sea or an earthquake, before which it seemed
better to give way than to die without doing anything, and not gain
the least advantage by suffering the utmost extremity, the retreat to
their camp not being far. Hieronymus says there fell six thousand of
the Romans, and of Pyrrhus's men, the king's own commentaries
reported three thousand five hundred and fifty lost in this action.
Dionysius, however, neither gives any account of two engagements at
Asculum, nor allows the Romans to have been certainly beaten, stating
that once only after they had fought till sunset, both armies were
unwillingly separated by the night, Pyrrhus being wounded by a
javelin in the arm, and his baggage plundered by the Samnites, that
in all there died of Pyrrhus's men and the Romans above fifteen
thousand. The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to
one that gave him joy of his victory that one other such would
utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he
brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal
commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found
the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a
fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was
quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating
in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very
anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war." ~
Plutarch, Life of Pyrrhus 21


"Having agreed through heralds upon the time when they would join in
battle, they descended from their camps and took up their positions
as follows: King Pyrrhus gave the Macedonian phalanx the first place
on the right wing and placed next to it the Italiot mercenaries from
Tarentum; then the troops from Ambracia and after them the phalanx
of Tarentines equipped with white shields, forced by the allied force
of Bruttians and Lucanians; in the middle of the battle-line he
stationed the Thesprotians and Chaonians; next to them the
mercenaries of the Aetolians, Acarnanians and Athamanians, and
finally the Samnites, who constituted the left wing. 3Of the horse,
he stationed the Samnite, Thessalian and Bruttian squadrons and the
Tarentine mercenary force upon the right wing, and the Ambraciot,
Lucanian and Tarentine squadrons and the Greek mercenaries,
consisting of Acarnanians, Aetolians, Macedonians and Athamanians, on
the left. The light-armed troops and the elephants he divided into
two groups and placed them behind both wings, at a reasonable
distance, in a position slightly elevated above the plain. He
himself, surrounded by the royal agema, as it was called, of picked
horsemen, about two thousand in number, was outs the battle-line, so
as to aid promptly any of his troops in turn that might be hard
pressed.

"The consuls arrayed on their left wing the legion called the first,
facing the Macedonian and Ambraciot phalanx and the Tarentine
mercenaries, and, next to the first legion, the third, over against
the Tarentine phalanx with its white shields and the Bruttian and
Lucanian allied forces; 5 adjoining the third army they placed the
fourth, facing the Molossians, Chaonians and Thesprotians; and the
second on the right wing opposite the mercenaries from Greece — the
Aetolians, Acarnanians and Athamanians — and the Samnite phalanx that
was equipped with oblong shields. The Latins, Campanians,
substitutes, Umbrians, Volscians, Marrucini, Peligni, Ferentani, and
their other subjects they divided into four divisions and mingled
them with the Roman legions, in order that no part of their lines
might be weak. 6 And dividing the cavalry, both their own and that of
their allies, they placed it on both wings. Outside the line they
stationed the light-armed troops and the wagons, three hundred in
number, which they had got ready for the battle against the
elephants. These wagons had upright beams on which were mounted
movable traverse poles that could be swung round as quick as thought
in any direction one might wish, and on the ends of the poles there
were either tridents or sword-like spikes or scythes all of iron; or
again they had cranes that hurled down heavy grappling-irons. Many of
the poles had attached to them and projecting in front of the wagons
fire-bearing grapnels wrapped in tow that had been liberally daubed
with pitch, which men standing on the wagons were to set afire as
soon as they came near the elephants and then rain blows with them
upon the trunks and faces of the beasts. Furthermore, standing on the
wagons, which were four-wheeled, were many also of the light-armed
troops - bowmen, hurlers of stones and slingers who threw iron
caltrops; and on the ground beside the wagons there were still more
men.

"This was the battle order of the two armies that had taken the
field. The forces on the king's side numbered 70,000 foot, of whom
the Greeks who had crossed the Ionian gulf amounted to 16,000; on the
Roman side there were more than 70,000, about 20,000 of them being
from Rome itself. Of horse the Romans had about 8,000, while Pyrrhus
had slightly more, as well as nineteen elephants.

"When the signals for battle were hoisted, the soldiers first chanted
their war songs, and then, raising the battle-cry to Enyalius,
advanced to the fray, engaged and fought, displaying all their skill
in arms. The cavalry stationed upon both wings, knowing beforehand in
what tactics they had the advantage over the enemy, resorted to those
tactics, the Romans to a hand-to hand, stationary combat, and the
Greek horse to flanking and deploying maneuvers. The Romans, when
they were pursued by the Greeks, would wheel their horses about, and
checking them with the reins, would fight an infantry battle; the
Greeks, when they perceived that the Romans were their equals in
combat, would swerve to the right and countermarching past one
another, would whirl about their horses once more to face forward,
and applying the spurs, would charge the enemy's ranks. Such was the
character of the cavalry battle. The fighting of the infantry was in
some respects similar to it, in other ways different; it was similar
on the whole, but different in details. For the right wing of each
army was the stronger one, the left being weaker. Nevertheless,
neither side turned its back ignominiously to the foe, but both
maintained good order, remaining with the standards and protecting
themselves with their shields while gradually falling back. Those
who distinguished themselves for valor were, on the king's side, the
Macedonians, who repulsed the first Roman legion and the Latins
arrayed with it; and, on the Roman side, those who constituted the
second legion and were opposed to the Molossians, Thesprotians and
Chaonians. When the king had ordered the elephants seem to be led up
to the part of the line that was in difficulties, the Romans mounted
on the pole-bearing wagons, upon learning of the approach of the
beasts, drove to meet them. At first they checked the onrush of the
beasts, smiting them with their engines and turning the fire-bearing
grapnels into their eyes. Then, when the men stationed in their
towers no longer drove the beasts forward, but hurled their spears
down from above, and the light-armed troops cut through the wattled
screens surrounding the wagons and hamstrung the oxen, the men at the
machines, leaping down from their cars, fled for refuge to the
nearest infantry and caused great confusion among them. The
Lucanians and Bruttians arrayed in the middle of the king's battle-
line, after fighting for no great while, turned to flight when
repulsed by the fourth Roman legion. When once these gave way and
their part of the line was broken through, the Tarentines also, who
had their station next to them, did not remain, but they too turned
their backs to the enemy and fled.

"When King Pyrrhus learned that the Lucanians, Bruttians and
Tarentines were in headlong flight and that their part of the line
was disrupted, he turned a part of the squadron that was with him
over to other commanders, and from the right wing sent other
horsemen, as many as he thought would be sufficient, as
reinforcements to those who were being pursued by the Romans. But
during the time that this was going on, there was a manifest
intervention of the divine power on the side of the Romans. Some of
the Daunians, it seems, from the city of Argyrippa, which they now
call Arpi, four thousand foot and some four hundred horse who had
been sent to the assistance of the consuls, arrived near the royal
camp while proceeding by mere chance along the road that led in the
enemy's rear, and saw the plain full of men. After stopping there a
short while and indulging in all manner of speculations, they decided
not to descend from the heights and take part in the battle, since
they did not know either where there was a friendly force or where a
hostile one, nor could conjecture in what place they should take
their stand in order to render some aid to their allies; and they
thought it would be best to surround and destroy the enemy's camp,
since not only would they themselves get much fine booty if they
should capture the baggage, but they would also cause much confusion
to their enemies if these should see their camp suddenly ablaze. (The
scene of the battle was not more than twenty stades distant.) Having
come to this decision and having learned from some prisoners, who had
been captured when they had gone out to gather wood, that only a very
few were guarding the camp; they attacked them from all sides.
Pyrrhus, learning of this through the report of a cavalryman who,
when the siege of the camp began, drove his horse through the enemy's
lines, and applying the spurs, was soon at p399hand, decided to keep
the rest of his forces in the plain and not to recall or disturb the
phalanx, but sent the elephants and the boldest of the horse,
carefully selected, as reinforcements for the camp. 4 But while these
were still on the way, the camp was suddenly taken and set on fire.

"Those who had accomplished this feat, upon learning that the troops
sent by the king were coming down from the heights against them, fled
to the summit of a hill which could not easily be ascended by either
the beasts or the horses. The king's troops, having arrived too late
to be of assistance, turned against the Romans of the third and
fourth legions, who had advanced far ahead of the others after
routing the foes who faced them. But the Romans, becoming aware in
advance of their approach, ran up to a lofty and thickly-wooded spot
and arrayed themselves in battle order. The elephants, accordingly,
being unable to ascend the height, caused them no harm, nor did the
squadrons of horse; but the bowmen and slingers, hurling their
missiles from all sides, wounded and destroyed many of them. When the
commanders became aware of what was going on there, Pyrrhus sent,
from his line of infantry, the Athamanians and Acarnanians and some
of the Samnites, while the Roman consul sent some squadrons of horse,
since the foot needed such assistance. And at this same time a fresh
battle took place there between the foot and horse and there was
still greater slaughter.

"Following the king's lead, the Roman consuls also recalled their
troops when it was near sunset, and taking them across the river led
them back to their camp as darkness was already coming on. The forces
of Pyrrhus, having lost their tents, pack-animals and slaves, and all
their baggage, encamped upon a height, where they spent the following
night under the open sky, without either baggage or attendance and
not well supplied with even the necessary food, so that many wounded
men actually perished, when they might still have been saved had they
received assistance and care. Such was the outcome of the second
battle between the Romans and Pyrrhus, near the town of Asculum." ~
Dionyssius of Halicarnasus 20.1-3


Our thought for today comes from Demophilus, Pythagorean Sentences
19:

"Esteem those to be eminently your friends, who assist your soul
rather than your body."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56904 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Happy Bastile Day!
Salvete omnes,

Earlier this month, several people posted good wishes on the occasion
of the 4th of July, the American Independence Day. It's a kind thing,
and I appreciate the good wishes.

Today I send best wishes for Liberté, égalité, fraternité, to our
Gallic brethren. May you all have a happy Fête Nationale this
quatorze juillet.

Valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56905 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: Happy Bastille Day!
Memmius Leg. Censorio Marino s.d.


Thanks a lot for your kind wishes, which went direct to the heart of
our citizens who live in the French part of Gallia.

Today, we had festivals, sun, Mediterranean summit leaders in Paris,
the military "défilé", and a beautiful Tour de France moutain "étape".

So, in summary, a wonderful July 14th which allowed Francogalli and
all our foreign tourists, thinking to Mare Nostrum when seeing the
summit leaders, to Roman legions when the Legion étrangère marches in
on the Champs-Elysées, to Roman values when applauding the Italian
winner of the bike today contest, or to a familiar benevolens deity
when watching Ingrid Bettancourt's smile.

Tibi gratias ac vale, et omnes.


P. Memmius Albucius
Leg. pp. Galliae


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Earlier this month, several people posted good wishes on the
occasion
> of the 4th of July, the American Independence Day. It's a kind
thing,
> and I appreciate the good wishes.
>
> Today I send best wishes for Liberté, égalité, fraternité, to our
> Gallic brethren. May you all have a happy Fête Nationale this
> quatorze juillet.
>
> Valete,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56906 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Resignation from the Senate committee, appeal for an appointment of
Salvete omnes,

Unfortunately the situation is that I cannot continue to chair the Senate financial committee or take part into it any more. The reason is that the consul has presented an item for the Senate to vote to spend practically all our available money on a Scholarship fuck-up project and I cannot accept such stupidity nor put my name into any budget that would approve such idiocy.

I'm terrified to see something as outrageous as this from a person whom I still trusted to be quite reasonable fellow, despite his dereliction of duties in Academia Thules and some very strange things he has done and planned to do in the future. It seems that I have been greatly mistaken regarding him and I urge every member of the Senate committee to resign because he is using the Senate to make decision about the budget instead of using this committee for planning of the budget. Ask yourself that can you work in such an environment.

Furthermore I will most probably will have to resign from the Senate since I cannot as a Senator take responsibility of such a decision if it voted yes upon. I will also seriously consider of leaving NR for I could not be with good consciousness a member or a citizen of a community that makes such a decision.

I have already resigned from consular cohors because such an item was presented there for the next Senate meeting, so I can only assure to everyone that I have had nothing whatsoever to do with the presenting an item as irresponsbile as this for the Senate to vote.

I ask the Senate to appoint Consul Sabinus or Princeps Senatus Quintilianus as an dictator to solve this matter in reasonable way.

If that is impossible, I urge all Senators to either vote no for the proposal or to resign from the Senate and form a new Senate to overthrow such a consul who is destroying our financial basis by his apparent stupidity and lack of reason. He must be mad or is willingly attacking against our state with the aim to destroy it.

Valete and farewell,

C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56907 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: MY PERSONAL GRATITVDE

Salvete quirites et romani!

 

I have a pleasant duty to fulfill today: to make public my personal gratitude to my good friend, Aedilis Curulis Publius Memmius Albucius.

Without his help, his advice, his most valuable work, I wouldn't be able to perform my duties in the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI.

 

Valete optime,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56908 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Resignation from the Senate committee, appeal for an
Salvete Quirites,
 
what is ongoing with our res publica ? What is going wrong if one of our cornerstones of our Republic, Senator Saturninus,
threatens to resign even from Nova Roma ?
 
I am worried which direction we will go .
 
I must say that I am as well was shocked to see a proposal for vote for the senate for nearly 50% of our state treasuery going to be spent for
just one item, for the scholarship project. I expect and do ask our Consul Marcus.Horatius to clearly state that we have either mistaken the approach or at least provaide nyhow a very good explanation to invest our money, your money quirites, in a scholarship project. Where is the benefit for our republic ? Where is the gain ?
Does this money invested in a scholarship project help us in reaching our fundamental goals ? To become a true republic, with land and an
religiuos center for the Religio Romana ? I doubt it .
 
For the benefit of argument I will add my proposal I had provided earlier how to spend the money:
 
So here is my - maybe - unorthodox approach, but it does for sure have merits.
 

If I am correct we have about 22.000,- USD available or at least to plan for, so I would arrange the

NR financies as follows, if the money available is less just deduct it proportionallly form the amaounts listed:

 

1) Citizen Certificate of our state Nova Roma

    At least for Citizens with Assidui Status, thus following the wishes of several Citizens who had requested this

    before , as well as promoting the assidui status and thus gathering  more taxes.

 

     1.000.- USD  for the setup of the official NR Certificate and any related costs, as a start. 

 

     Portion devoted from the yearly tax income 5% for the years to come

 

2) Fund for projects

 

    5.000.- USD as a start.

 

   Senate decision for projects receiving a portion of the fund, which will then be provided to the projects

   under the supervision of the Quaestor Curulis.

 

  Portion devoted from the yearly tax income 15% for the years to come

 

 

3) Citizen Prize

 

   as recognition  for the best achievement for pushing Nova Roma forward to our final goals. For ideas , projects,

  making Nova Roma known in the world in a positive sense.

 

 1.500,- USD as a start for 3 years. The prize will be 500 USD per year.

 

Portion devoted from the yearly tax income 10% for the years to come

 

4) Public Relation Fund

    For sponsoring Roman days worldwide, make Nova Roma known and in result the possibility of receiving donations.

 

3.000,- USD as a start.

 

Portion devoted from the yearly tax income 10% for the years to come

 

5) Conventus fund

 

Subsiding Conventus NR worldwide, thus promoting Conventus and meeting of Nova Roman citizen.

 

3.000,- USD as a start.

 

Portion devoted from the yearly tax income 15% for the years to come

 

6) Reserve fund

 

for the unpredictable and for building up the treasury, future generations will thank us. A strong treasury will

enable us to deal with all upcoming issues and it will strenghten our reputation.

 

2.500,- USD as a start

 

 Portion devoted from the yearly tax income 15% for the years to come

 

 

7) Land fund

 

When investing the money and buying the right land, it will for sure grow in value and it will bring us closer to

one of our real goals, becoming an  truly independent, sovereign res publica.

 

2.500,- USD as a start

 

Portion devoted from the yearly tax income 15% for the years to come

 

8) JSTOR

 

If really needed in an already online world, where nearly everything is online and available already. I have my doubts.I would rather like to see it spent accross all the other beforehand listed points.

 

3.000,- USD as a start

 

Portion devoted from the yearly tax income 10% for the years to come

 

 

 

I am concinced the citizens would like to see their taxes well invested ,in the sense to promote Nova Roma and  to bring us closer

to our final real goals, becoming a truly independent republic , with land and with an religious center for the Religio Romana.

 

Optime vale

Titus Flavius Aquila

Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

 


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Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Resignation from the Senate committee, appeal for an appointment of a dictator

Salvete omnes,


Unfortunately the situation is that I cannot continue to chair the Senate financial committee or take part into it any more. The reason is that the consul has presented an item for the Senate to vote to spend practically all our available money on a Scholarship fuck-up project and I cannot accept such stupidity nor put my name into any budget that would approve such idiocy.

I'm terrified to see something as outrageous as this from a person whom I still trusted to be quite reasonable fellow, despite his dereliction of duties in Academia Thules and some very strange things he has done and planned to do in the future. It seems that I have been greatly mistaken regarding him and I urge every member of the Senate committee to resign because he is using the Senate to make decision about the budget instead of using this committee for planning of the budget. Ask yourself that can you work in such an environment.

Furthermore I will most probably will have to resign from the Senate since I cannot as a Senator take responsibility of such a decision if it voted yes upon. I will also seriously consider of leaving NR for I could not be with good consciousness a member or a citizen of a community that makes such a decision.

I have already resigned from consular cohors because such an item was presented there for the next Senate meeting, so I can only assure to everyone that I have had nothing whatsoever to do with the presenting an item as irresponsbile as this for the Senate to vote.

I ask the Senate to appoint Consul Sabinus or Princeps Senatus Quintilianus as an dictator to solve this matter in reasonable way.

If that is impossible, I urge all Senators to either vote no for the proposal or to resign from the Senate and form a new Senate to overthrow such a consul who is destroying our financial basis by his apparent stupidity and lack of reason. He must be mad or is willingly attacking against our state with the aim to destroy it.

Valete and farewell,

C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

www.academiathules. org
thule.novaroma. org





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56909 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: MY PERSONAL GRATITVDE
Aedilis cur. Albucius Praetori Iulio Severo s.d.

We are here to help each other, specially when true servants of our
Republic and hard working people are concerned.

It has been a pleasure and an honor for me to put some of the
experience learnt by our whole aedilitas cohors, in this first part
of the year, at the disposal of the Praetores, in these Ludi
Apollinares, who have a special place in our Roman festivals.

Thanks for your words, Praetor.


P. Memmius Albucius
aed. cur.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL•SEVERVS
<marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete quirites et romani!
>  
> I have a pleasant duty to fulfill today: to make public my personal
gratitude to my good friend, Aedilis Curulis Publius Memmius Albucius.
> Without his help, his advice, his most valuable work, I wouldn't be
able to perform my duties in the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI.
>  
> Valete optime,
>
> M•IVL•SEVERVS
> PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56910 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: Happy Bastile Day!
Re: [Nova-Roma] Happy Bastile Day!
A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Equitio Marino P. Memmio Albucio omnibus bonae voluntatis, praesertim Franco-Gallis, S.P.D.
 

Salvete omnes,

Earlier this month, several people posted good wishes on the occasion  
of the 4th of July, the American Independence Day.  It's a kind thing,  
and I appreciate the good wishes.

Today I send best wishes for Liberté, égalité, fraternité, to our  
Gallic brethren.  May you all have a happy Fête Nationale this  
quatorze juillet.

    ATS: You beat me to it!  I was going to post s.v. Allons enfants de la Patrie...A very happy Bastille Day to all of our French citizens!  Le jour de gloire est arrivé!  

Valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Valete!
 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56911 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: THE WINNERS OF THE LUDI APOLLINARES MMDCCLXI
Salvete praetores,
thank you for choosing my photo.
Certainly taking it was nowhere as hard a job as answering the
questions.
So concratulations to M. Martianius Lupus, who deserves the corona
much more than me, and to Ti. Galerius Paulinus!
Valete,
L. Livia Plauta

>
> Salvete quirites et romani!
>
> The winner of the Certamen Historicum and the Corona Ludi Humanitas
of the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI a.U.c., is:
>
> MARCVS MARTIANIVS LVPVS, with 101 points.
>
> Our very special recognition for Tiberius Galaerius Paulinus, who
obtained 100.5 points, scarcely half a point less than the winner;
and our gratitude for all the participants.
>
> The winner of the Photo/Video Contest and the Corona Ludi Humanitas
of the Ludi Apollinares MMDCCLXI a.U.c., is:
>
> LVCIA LIVIA PLAVTA,
>
> Whose work will be posted in our web site. We also want to thank
the rest of the participants.
>
> Valete optime,
>
> MARCVS CVRIATIVS COMPLVTENSIS
> PRÆTOR VRBANVS
>
> MARCVS IVLIVS SEVERVS
> PRÆTOR PEREGRINVS
>  
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56912 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: Resignation from the Senate committee
Salve senator Saturnine,

I wish you had taken a deep breath and counted until ten before
posting on the main list a message that refers to discussions that
are going on in the Senate behind closed doors.

I wish everybody (and not just you, esteemed senator) had a bit more
trust in their fellow citizens and would not always assume that the
people who do something they don't agree with are stupid, or
deliberately trying to harm.

I know very well how hard it is to keep calm and objective, and
having myself a sanguine temperament, I sometimes write inflamed
posts myself, but luckily I have never resorted to calling people
stupid or mad.

I was as surprised as you are with the money allocation for the
scholarship fund, but if I was a senator I would have tried to solve
the problem with discussion and not with real and threatened
resignations. I would have tried to obtain a delaying of any
financial decision until after the conventus, when we will finally be
able to meet in person.

And, Saturnine, I do hope that this incident will not prevent you
from coming to the conventus, because I was looking forward to
meeting you, and because I think face to face conversations will
solve most of the problems caused by the nature of email
communication, and conflicts will melt away like snow in the sun.

I do hope you will not resign from the Senate and from Nova Roma.

Optime vale,
L. Livia Plauta


> Salvete omnes,
>
> Unfortunately the situation is that I cannot continue to chair the
> Senate financial committee or take part into it any more. The
reason
> is that the consul has presented an item for the Senate to vote to
> spend practically all our available money on a Scholarship fuck-up
> project and I cannot accept such stupidity nor put my name into
any
> budget that would approve such idiocy.
>
> I'm terrified to see something as outrageous as this from a person
> whom I still trusted to be quite reasonable fellow, despite his
> dereliction of duties in Academia Thules and some very strange
things
> he has done and planned to do in the future. It seems that I have
> been greatly mistaken regarding him and I urge every member of the
> Senate committee to resign because he is using the Senate to make
> decision about the budget instead of using this committee for
> planning of the budget. Ask yourself that can you work in such an
> environment.
>
> Furthermore I will most probably will have to resign from the
Senate
> since I cannot as a Senator take responsibility of such a decision
if
> it voted yes upon. I will also seriously consider of leaving NR for
I
> could not be with good consciousness a member or a citizen of a
> community that makes such a decision.
>
> I have already resigned from consular cohors because such an item
was
> presented there for the next Senate meeting, so I can only assure
to
> everyone that I have had nothing whatsoever to do with the
presenting
> an item as irresponsbile as this for the Senate to vote.
>
> I ask the Senate to appoint Consul Sabinus or Princeps Senatus
> Quintilianus as an dictator to solve this matter in reasonable way.
>
> If that is impossible, I urge all Senators to either vote no for
the
> proposal or to resign from the Senate and form a new Senate to
> overthrow such a consul who is destroying our financial basis by
his
> apparent stupidity and lack of reason. He must be mad or is
willingly
> attacking against our state with the aim to destroy it.
>
> Valete and farewell,
>
> C. Curius Saturninus
> (Mikko Sillanpää)
>
> Senator - Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Thules
> Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> thule.novaroma.org
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56913 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: The senate is reconvened
L. Livia Plauta tribuna plebis omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.

This is the message consul Piscinus posted on the senate list:

Ex Officio Consulares:

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Consul: T. Iulio Sabino Consuli
collegae, Praetoribus, Tribunibus Plebis, Senatoribus Patribus
Mátribusque Conscriptís, viris clarissimis et castissimae mulieribus,
omnibus quibusque in senatu senteniam dicere licet: salutem plurimam
dicit: Cetera scire de se Dis curae esse.

As I posted this message onSunday 13 July and yet find it not
appearing, I am posting it a second time.

Intrans in Curia cinctu Gabii capite velato, ego appropiinquo ad aram
Victoriae Augustae:

"Victoria Dea, te precor quaesoque ut victoriam des nobis super res
quis nos divisunt, quod voluntam deorum optimaque rei publici
eveniat."

Victoria Divina, custos et domina rei secundae nostrae, perinde ac
legiones patrum nostrorum duxisti ut tellurem antiquam in Romanitatem
adducerent, duce nos ut etiam amplius beneficia Romanitatis vulgemus.
Ut recte nos in deliberationibus nostris regas et in amplexum sacrum
tuum hos conscriptos matresque patresque Novae Romae comprehendas te
oro. Ut cum Salute et Concordia certamina nostra sanes, in mente
communi nos consocies, et re secunda victrici dignitatem huius
Senatus augeas te oro

Victoria Divina, te hoc vino inferio ommovendo bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia nobis, Senatui populi Novae Romae,
Quiritibus.


Entering the Curia, I pause before the Ara Victoriae Augustae in
cintu Gabii, capite velato:

Goddess of Victory, I pray you grant us victory over those things
that divide us, and that the will of the Gods and what is best for
the Respublica shall ensue.

Holy Victory, guardian and lady of our success, even as You led the
legions of our forefathers to bring Romanitas to the ancient world,
lead us that we may spread the benefits of Romanitas yet further. I
beseech You that You rightly guide us in our deliberations and take
into Your holy embrace these conscript mothers and fathers of Nova
Roma. I beseech You that with Salus and Concordia You heal our
conflicts, unite us in a common purpose, and with victorious success
increase the dignitas of this Senate.

Holy Victory, in offering to You this small portion of wine I pray
good prayers, in order that You may willingly be propitious to us the
Senate of the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites.

In taking the aupicia on calling this August Body to vote, two red-
tail birds of Jove appeared, circling high in the north-east, the
station of Jupiter. A hawk then appeared in the east flying
northward. A murder of crows, birds of Apollo, likewise appeared
cawing in the east on this the dies natalis Apollonis Medici. The
birds allow, Aves admittunt! Next, retiring to the altar of my
Lares, before Venus Genetrix and Apollo I took the sortes Virgillae.
The oracle replied:

"Unsettles the light leaves, never heeds she then. Lo, ye see the
spoils and the first fruits."

Taking Her reply to my inquiry as an auspicia oblativa in reference
to the financial matters that I presented early, I poured a libation
of wine in thanksgiving.

Therefore the Senate is reconvened as of 06.00 hours on Monday 14
July 2008, die pristine Eidus Quinctiliae, dies comitialis. Since
the Senate has already been called into a contio on these matters I
call upon the Senate to then assemble in order to vote on the
following Agenda beginning 06.00 hrs CET (Roma) on 17 July, a. d. XVI
Kalendas Sextilias dies comitialis. For your convenience the
following time are offered.

Tokyo 13.00 hrs
Bucharest 07.00 hrs
Rome 06.00 hrs
Rio de Janiero 01.00 hrs
New York, NY 00.00 hrs
Mexico City 23.00 hrs (16 July)
Vancouver, Canada 21.00 hrs (16 July)

Voting shall conclude at 18.00 hours CET (Roma) on Sunday 20 July
2008, ante diem XIII Kalendas Sextilias, dies comitialis.

Tokyo 01.00 hrs (21 July)
Bucharest 19.00 hrs
Rome 18.00 hrs
Rio de Janiero 13.00 hrs
New York, NY 12.00 hrs
Mexico City 11.00 hrs
Vancouver, Canada 09.00 hrs


World clock
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/


The following agenda is thus submitted for Consideration by the
Senate.

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Quod bonum felixque sit populo Romano Quiritium, referimus ad vos,
Patres et Matres conscripti:

Item I.a

The Senate hereby grants all Vestales Virgines of Nova Roma an
exemption from the tributum whereby they shall not now and for all
times in the future be required to pay the annual tax and shall
nevertheless retain their status as assidui and thus eligible to also
retain their sacerdotal offices in perpetuity.

Item I.b

The Senate directs that all public sacerdotes make an annual report
to the Collegium Pontificum of any funds they receive and any
expenses they pay in the performance of rites specifically for the
Res Publica of Nova Roma. The Collegium Pontificum shall be
responsible for gathering this information from all public sacerdotes
and the Pontifex Maximus shall be responsible for reporting their
findings semi annually to the Consules, Quaestores Consulares, and
Curator Aerarii by 31 July and 31 January.


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Quod bonum felixque sit populo Romano Quiritium, referimus ad vos,
Patres et Matres conscripti:

Item II.

The Senate hereby approves an appropriation of up to, but not to
exceed, three-hundred U. S. dollars ($300) towards expenses incurred
during VI Conventus Europa in provincial Dacia. The payment is to be
made to Consul T. Iulius Sabinus by Curatrix Aerarii E. Iunia upon
her receipt of a report of expenses incurred by provincia Dacia in
hosting VI Conventus Europa.


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Quod bonum felixque sit populo Romano Quiritium, referimus ad vos,
Patres et Matres conscripti:

Item III.

The Senate hereby approves of the Consules acting on behalf of Nova
Roma to accept sponsorship from "Babyhold" and to direct our Magister
Aranearius to provide space on the Nova Roma website that
advertises "Babyhold" sponsorship for Nova Roma. In developing this
relationship, the Consules are likewise to develop guidelines for
potential future sponsors of Nova Roma, these guidelines to be
submitted to the Senate Rules Committee before final submission to
the full Senate for approval.


-----------
Quod bonum felixque sit populo Romano Quiritium, referimus ad vos,
Patres et Matres conscripti:

Item IV.

The Senate hereby sets aside an amount of ten-thousand U. S. dollars
($10,000) from the General Fund to serve as an endowment for the
Scholarship Fund. The Consules and Curatrix Aerarii shall develop a
proposal together with the Senate Committee on the Budget and Finance
on how these monies may be best invested to provide the Scholarship
Fund with an income from which to draw its annual educational grnts.


-----------
Quod bonum felixque sit populo Romano Quiritium, referimus ad vos,
Patres et Matres conscripti:

Item V.

The Senate hereby revokes the senatus consultum of 26 November
MMDCCLVI to classify the land in Texas as ager publicus


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Quod bonum felixque sit populo Romano Quiritium, referimus ad vos,
Patres et Matres conscripti:

Item VI.

The Senate approves of Nova Roma, Inc. joining the Maine Association
of Nonprofits (MANP)
http://www.nonprofitmaine.org/ at a cost of fifty U. S. dollars ($50)
per year subscriptions fee in order to receive legal advice and other
services.

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Quod bonum felixque sit populo Romano Quiritium, referimus ad vos,
Patres et Matres conscripti:

Item VII.

The Senate hereby approves of the objectives and focus areas laid out
in the project proposalof Aedilis Curulis P. Memius Albucius. The
proposal is as follows.

*Proposals for the Magna Mater Project

The first objective set for the Magna Mater Project has been
completed. We shall now seek Senate approval and guidance on our next
objectives. Based on the Senate's decisions a multi-phased plan
extending over a number of years will be developed with an estimated
schedule and estimated costs to be presented later this year.

First to consider are a number of focus areas that will be developed
for the project:

Focus A: Financial support for a publication and translation of a
master's or doctoral thesis on the "Mater Magna in the Roman Empire"
with a target date of auc 2764 (2011).

Focus B: Financial support for the 3d virtual reconstruction of the
Magna Mater temple and its immediate area Palatine. This virtual
reconstruction would be either B1 or B2, below, at the Senate's
option.

B1: A basic reconstruction, not too detailed, taking around six
months to complete.

B2: A more advanced reconstruction made as part of a university
project, with details scientifically labeled. This effort would
instead take around twelve months to complete.

Focus C: Financial contributions towards efforts to preserve the area
around the Palatine Temple of Magna Mater, as conducted by the City
of Rome and by other Italian authorities.

Focus D: Financial support for specific areas adjoining the Temple of
Magna Mater grounds. For example, contributing to the construction of
a "reflection area" with park benches; an information kiosk; or
plaques to mark specific sites in the temple complex. Such an effort
on the part of Nova Roma would depend, as in Focus C, on the plans of
Italian authorities for the preservation of the area. The Aedilician
team working with the Italian authorities would review the plans and
determine what elements Nova Roma might be able to support.

Focus E: The production of a DVD on "Magna Mater in Rome."

Focus F: Offer an online store that will sell fund raising Magna
Mater materials.

Focus G: Develop a plan to promote the Magna Mater Project through
the NR websites and by other means.


Secondly, we have to consider arrangements for the financial
management of Nova Roma's part in the MM Project. The Consules and
Aediles are to develop a plan that allows:

1. The Aediles and their quaestors to hold more direct control over
the project's financial management.

2. The integration of financial reporting on the Magna Mater Project
into Nova Roma, Inc. financial reports.

3. A scheduled project development, according to the means allocated
to the Aediles, by setting goals on sums to be allocated to different
stages of the project and setting target dates on when these
allocations are to be acquired and/or disbursed, in order to maintain
a running account of the project's progress.

4. The Aediles are to develop a fund-raising plan for the Magna Mater
Project. Such a plan will be integrated and coordinated in any over-
all fund raising plan developed for Nova Roma.

5. In addition to specified allocations for different project goals,
the establishment of an operating fund for the Aediles to use at
their discretion, in order to cover incidental administrative
costs.This fund shall come from no more than seven per cent (7%) of
all
funds received for the project in any given year, prior to
allocationto targeted goals.


Ex hoc ego Senatum populi Novae Romae convoco

Ab mano ante diem III IDUS QUINTILIAE MMDCCLXI a.u.c. M. Moravio
Piscino T. Iulio Sabino consulibus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56914 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Absentia
L. Livia Plauta omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.

From August 16 to August 27 I will be in Greece, with sporadic access
to email, so I will leave tribune work in the capable hands of my
colleagues.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56915 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: OY: Venator's Uncle Michael
Avete Omnes;

Here's what I wrote for Uncle Michael's eulogy, it is accurate to when
I first wrote it, but was edited in the evening just before bed for
spelling and grammar. Read it slowly; it is only about 4 1/2 to 5
minutes long, but I think that to write more would not say more.

I have written a lot over the years, but this has been one of
thevhardest things to get down.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To those you love give words of thanks
When living ears can drink them in
Regretful tears may water weeds
But Kinfolk dead find them no use

My mom asked me to write a eulogy in honor of my Uncle Michael...

How do I begin?

As I write, night time is giving way to the grey light of early morning.

Wispy clouds are painted reddish-gold by an as yet unseen sun.

Another new day is upon us...another new beginning...reminding us that
death, too, is a beginning of sorts.

How do I begin?

How do I, truly, boil down what my Uncle meant to me into a few
minutes worth of words?

Do I try and answer the unasked questions?

Do I try and address the lost opportunities?

NO!

I will and shall, share a few fond memories.

I have shed tears for him.

I have felt great grief on behalf of his loss.

His memory deserves better.

Michael was not just my mother's youngest brother, nor merely my
grandfather's baby boy (always); he was my older brother.

I could rail against the universe being unfair.

I could rant about how he did not deserve such a dire passing.

I could revile all that is Holy for taking him too soon.

I will not, for he deserves better of me.

Michael was my older brother; as boy, youth and man.

I needed him to be that.

48 Hill Street...

Mom, dad, me, and later Leonard and Anne Marie, lived on the first
floor. Nonnie and Papa lived on the second. Uncle Anthony and Uncle
Michael had their bedroom in the attic. It was a good, happy house,
near other family, friends, church, school and work.

An image came to mind as my Mom spoke to me of writing some words in
Michael's memory....he and I, sitting on the front steps of the Hill
Street house. I had just come from the doctor's, once again getting
stitches for one of my innumerable accidents. Michael had his arm
around me, as if to say: "Steven, it's ok, I'm here..."

I can still, clearly, hear his voice...Good God, what a clumsy child I was.

How many times did he pick me up?

How many times did he get me to help?

As we grew, Michael and I did have our own friends and differing interests.

In his crowd, he tried to be a tough guy, but I never thought he really was.

He WAS strong and self-assured, always, I thought!

He did have friends who liked and respected him.

He had a bit of a reputation amongst his peers, which protected me as
I grew from childhood to near adulthood and came up against some
things in life.

We grew apart, as is normal, when two young men set out on different
paths in life.

I went away to college; he worked.

We both married; he having children, me - none.

We both had circumstances, which took us far away from the place of our births.

Neither of us were real good at keeping in touch.

However, I like to think that I followed his example in becoming a
gentle, friendly and helpful man.

He was a big influence in my life, next to my parents and grandparents.

I do believe that I am a better man for his having been not just my
uncle, but, my brother.

I did get to say good bye, but I did not say hello, enough.

I weep as I write these words, and I smile, which is as it should be.

Family and friends are, truly, ALL we've got in this world.

Don't waste time on differences.

Our task is not to mourn the Dead
It is to live to carry on
Recall their Deeds both good and bad
Their Thoughts and Acts which become us

In love, AND, deep affection... always...

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poetus

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://www.myspace.com/venator_poetus
http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://ullarsskald01.Writing.Com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56916 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-14
Subject: Re: Resignation from the Senate committee
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation from the Senate committee

 A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

Salve senator Saturnine,

I wish you had taken a deep breath and counted until ten before
posting on the main list a message that refers to discussions that
are going on in the Senate behind closed doors.

    ATS:  I agree, but note that you failed to observe a vocabulary item therein which is used in public only by the likes of drunken sailors and not permitted by the TOS or the Edictum de Moderatione.  I sincerely hope that the praetores will take appropriate action in this matter.  Senate business does not belong on the ML, nor does the right-brain vocabulary.  Bad enough in the Senate where all of us are adults.   

I wish everybody (and not just you, esteemed senator) had a bit more
trust in their fellow citizens and would not always assume that the
people who do something they don't agree with are stupid, or
deliberately trying to harm.

    ATS:  Exactly.   

I know very well how hard it is to keep calm and objective, and
having myself a sanguine temperament, I sometimes write inflamed
posts myself, but luckily I have never resorted to calling people
stupid or mad.

    ATS:  Regrettably, those who yield to temper tantrums often say things that will later give them considerable pause.  Similar comments elsewhere may well cost us our chief and world-class Latinist, Avitus, which would be a terrible and irreparable loss to us.  Healthy adults control their tempers and other emotions; that is one of the things that separates us from children and animals.  I for one have no difficulty grading my students quite objectively, even those who have become my friends or who already were my friends.  Likewise, if I had had to manage a trial as praetrix, I would have handled this objectively, whether or not anyone cares to believe that.  That is a part of adulthood.  Yielding to impulses stemming from parts of the brain which lie beneath the cerebral cortex which should therefore be controlled by it is hardly a hallmark of human adulthood.  Kalon hesychia.  

I was as surprised as you are with the money allocation for the
scholarship fund,

    ATS:  This is an endowment fund, which in time will improve our reputation and do us a great deal of good in academia, where it counts the most.   Would you prefer for NR to be a laughingstock, as it already is in far too many quarters?  


but if I was a senator I would have tried to solve
the problem with discussion and not with real and threatened
resignations.

    ATS:  Yes, though he is not the first or the only magistrate or senator among us who makes such threats, or even carries them out.  

I would have tried to obtain a delaying of any
financial decision until after the conventus, when we will finally be
able to meet in person.

And, Saturnine, I do hope that this incident will not prevent you
from coming to the conventus, because I was looking forward to
meeting you, and because I think face to face conversations will
solve most of the problems caused by the nature of email
communication,

    ATS:  Let us hope so.  Meeting one’s fellow citizens is very important, as is getting us beyond the virtual world we inhabit into something in the real world, a real place where we can live with our Nova Roman compatriots.

and conflicts will melt away like snow in the sun.

    ATS:  That would be lovely, but may not happen.  Around here at least, it takes a LOT of sun to melt the snow.  

I do hope you will not resign from the Senate and from Nova Roma.

    ATS:  That would be a sad thing; Saturninus has done a great deal for NR and the AT.  However, it would also be sad, even sadder, if we lose the jewel in our crown of Latinity.  

Optime vale,
L. Livia Plauta

Optime vale et valete.  







> Salvete omnes,
>
> Unfortunately the situation is that I cannot continue to chair the  
> Senate financial committee or take part into it any more. The
reason  
> is that the consul has presented an item for the Senate to vote to  
> spend practically all our available money on a Scholarship ****
> project and I cannot accept such stupidity nor put my name into
any  
> budget that would approve such idiocy.
>
> I'm terrified to see something as outrageous as this from a person  
> whom I still trusted to be quite reasonable fellow, despite his  
> dereliction of duties in Academia Thules and some very strange
things  
> he has done and planned to do in the future. It seems that I have  
> been greatly mistaken regarding him and I urge every member of the  
> Senate committee to resign because he is using the Senate to make  
> decision about the budget instead of using this committee for  
> planning of the budget. Ask yourself that can you work in such an  
> environment.
>
> Furthermore I will most probably will have to resign from the
Senate  
> since I cannot as a Senator take responsibility of such a decision
if  
> it voted yes upon. I will also seriously consider of leaving NR for
I  
> could not be with good consciousness a member or a citizen of a  
> community that makes such a decision.
>
> I have already resigned from consular cohors because such an item
was  
> presented there for the next Senate meeting, so I can only assure
to  
> everyone that I have had nothing whatsoever to do with the
presenting  
> an item as irresponsbile as this for the Senate to vote.
>
> I ask the Senate to appoint Consul Sabinus or Princeps Senatus  
> Quintilianus as an dictator to solve this matter in reasonable way.
>
> If that is impossible, I urge all Senators to either vote no for
the  
> proposal or to resign from the Senate and form a new Senate to  
> overthrow such a consul who is destroying our financial basis by
his  
> apparent stupidity and lack of reason. He must be mad or is
willingly  
> attacking against our state with the aim to destroy it.
>
> Valete and farewell,
>
> C. Curius Saturninus
> (Mikko Sillanpää)
>
> Senator - Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Thules
> Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> thule.novaroma.org
>

 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56917 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: EIDUS QUINCTILIAE: Tranvectio Equitium
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus sitis.

Hodie est Eidus Quinctiliae; haec dies nefastus piaculum Merkatus
est: Transvectio Equitium; Castor et Castoris; Procyon exoritur mane,
tempestatem significat.

Feriae Auxillarum

In conjunction with the auxillarum feriae on the Nonae Caprotiae,
and for that reason, it became tradition to present a toga praetexta
to an auxilla on the Ides of Quintilis. By this act the slave girl
was given her freedom, and thereby given Roman citizenship as well.


AUC 254 / 499 BCE: The Battle of Lake Regillus

"The Latin war which had been threatening for some years now at last
broke out. A. Postumius, the Dictator, and T. Aebutius, Master of the
Horse, advanced with a large force of infantry and cavalry to the
Lake Regillus in the district of Tusculum and came upon the main army
of the enemy. On hearing that the Tarquins were in the army of the
Latins, the passions of the Romans were so roused that they
determined to engage at once. The battle that followed was more
obstinately and desperately fought than any previous ones had been.
For the commanders not only took their part in directing the action,
they fought personally against each other, and hardly one of the
leaders in either army, with the exception of the Roman Dictator,
left the field unwounded. Tarquinius Superbus, though now enfeebled
by age, spurred his horse against Postumius, who in the front of the
line was addressing and forming his men. He was struck in the side
and carried off by a body of his followers into a place of safety.
Similarly on the other wing Aebutius, Master of the Horse, directed
his attack against Octavius Mamilius; the Tusculan leader saw him
coming and rode at him full speed. So terrific was the shock that
Aebutius' arm was pierced, Mamilius was speared in the breast, and
led off by the Latins into their second line. Aebutius, unable to
hold a weapon with his wounded arm, retired from the fighting. The
Latin leader, in no way deterred by his wound, infused fresh energy
into the combat, for, seeing that his own men were wavering, he
called up the cohort of Roman exiles, who were led by Lucius
Tarquinius. The loss of country and fortune made them fight all the
more desperately; for a short time they restored the battle, and the
Romans who were opposed to them began to give ground.

"M. Valerius, the brother of Publicola, catching sight of the fiery
young Tarquin conspicuous in the front line, dug spurs into his horse
and made for him with levelled lance, eager to enhance the pride of
his house, that the family who boasted of having expelled the
Tarquins might have the glory of killing them. Tarquin evaded his foe
by retiring behind his men. Valerius, riding headlong into the ranks
of the exiles, was run through by a spear from behind. This did not
check the horse's speed, and the Roman sank dying to the ground, his
arms falling upon him. When the Dictator Postumius saw that one of
his principal officers had fallen, and that the exiles were rushing
on furiously in a compact mass whilst his men were shaken and giving
ground, he ordered his own cohort - a picked force who formed his
bodyguard - to treat any of their own side whom they saw in flight as
enemy. Threatened in front and rear the Romans turned and faced the
foe, and closed their ranks. The Dictator's cohort, fresh in mind and
body, now came into action and attacked the exhausted exiles with
great slaughter. Another single combat between the leaders took
place; the Latin commander saw the cohort of exiles almost hemmed in
by the Roman Dictator, and hurried to the front with some maniples of
the reserves. T. Herminius saw them coming, and recognized Mamilius
by his dress and arms. He attacked the enemies' commander much more
fiercely than the Master of the Horse had previously done, so much
so, in fact, that he killed him by a single spear-thrust through his
side. Whilst despoiling the body he himself was struck by a javelin,
and after being carried back to the camp, expired whilst his wound
was being dressed. Then the Dictator hurried up to the cavalry and
appealed to them to relieve the infantry, who were worn out with the
struggle, by dismounting and fighting on foot. They obeyed, leaped
from their horses, rushed forward, and, using their shields,
protected the soldiers who fought in front of the standards. The
infantry recovered their courage at once when they saw the flower of
the nobility fighting on equal terms and sharing the same dangers
with themselves. At last the Latins were forced back, wavered, and
finally broke their ranks. The cavalry had their horses brought up
that they might commence the pursuit, the infantry followed. It is
said that the Dictator, omitting nothing that could secure divine or
human aid, vowed, during the battle, a temple to Castor and promised
rewards to those who should be the first and second to enter the
enemies' camp. Such was the ardour which the Romans displayed that in
the same charge which routed the enemy they carried their camp. Thus
was the battle fought at Lake Regillus. The Dictator and the Master
of the Horse returned in triumph to the City." ~ Titus Livius 2.19-20

AUC 257 / 496 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Castor and Castoris,
and the Tranvectio Equitum

The Battle of Lake Regillius was commemorated on its anniversary by
the dedication of a Temple of Castor and Pollux by Postumius and by a
procession of the three-hundred Equites pro equo populi in their
unique trabea tunic of purple with scarlet stripes and a red toga,
riding atop white horses. Both were attributed to having saved the
Roman Republic at the battle.

"When Dictator A. Postumius and the Tusculan leader Mamilius Octavius
clashed at Lake Regillus in great strength and for some time neither
army gave ground, Castor and Pollux, appearing as champions of Rome,
totally routed the enemy's forces." ~ Valerius Maximus 1.8.1a

Proof of the appearance of Castor at the battle was seen in "the mark
upon the rock, resembling the print of a hoof, which is to be seen to
this day at Regillus, was made by the horse of Castor (M. Tullius
Cicero, De Natura Deorum 3.11)."

"Time destroys the figments of the imagination, while confirming the
judgments of nature, and that is why both in our own nation and in
others the worship of the gods and the holy observances of religion
are increasing daily in extent and worthiness. Nor is this a casual
or accidental result; there is, in the first place, this reason for
it, that the gods frequently manifest their power in actual presence.
At Regillus, for instance, in the war with the Latins, when Aulus
Postumius, the dictator, was engaged in battle with Octavius Mamilius
of Tusculum, Castor and Pollux were seen to fight in our lines on
horseback, and within more recent memory the same sons of Tyndareus
brought news of the defeat of Perseus. For Publius Vatinius, the
grandfather of our young contemporary of that name, when coming to
Rome by night from the prefecture of Reate, was told by two young men
on white horses that Perseus had that day been taken captive. He
carried the news to the senate, and was at first thrown into prison
on the charge of having made an unfounded declaration on a matter of
state importance; but afterwards, when a despatch sent by Paulus
agreed in the same day, the senate granted him land and exemption
from military service." ~ M. Tullius Cicero, De Natura Deorum 2.6

"It is said that in this battle two men on horseback, far excelling
in both beauty and stature those our human stock produces, and just
growing their first beard, appeared to Postumius, the dictator, and
to those arrayed about him, and charged at the head of the Roman
horse, striking with their spears all the Latins they encountered and
driving them headlong before them. And after the flight of the Latins
and the capture of their camp, the battle having come to an end in
the late afternoon, two youths are said to have appeared in the same
manner in the Roman Forum attired in military garb, very tall and
beautiful and of the same age, themselves retaining on their
countenances as having come from a battle, the look of combatants,
and the horses they led being all in a sweat. And when they had each
of them watered their horses and washed them at the fountain which
rises near the temple of Vesta and forms a small but deep pool, and
many people stood about them and inquired if they brought any news
from the camp, they related how the battle had gone and that the
Romans were the victors. And it is said that after they left the
Forum they were not seen again by anyone, though great search was
made for them by the man who had been left in command of the city (
as praefectus urbi). The next day, when those at the head of affairs
received the letters from the dictator, and besides the other
particulars of the battle, learned also of the appearance of the
divinities, they concluded, as we may reasonably infer, that it was
the same Gods who had appeared in both places, and were convinced
that the apparitions had been those of Castor and Pollux.

"Of this extraordinary and wonderful appearance of these gods there
are many monuments at Rome, not only the temple of Castor and Pollux
which the city erected in the Forum at the place where their
apparitions had been seen, and the adjacent fountain (of Juturna),
which bears the names of these Gods and is to this day regarded as
holy, but also the costly sacrifices which the people perform each
year through their chief priests in the month called Quintilis, on
the day known as the Ides, the day on which they gained this victory.
But above all these things there is the procession performed after
the sacrifice by those who have a public horse and who, being arrayed
by tribes and centuries, ride in regular ranks on horseback, as if
they came from battle, crowned with olive branches and attired in the
purple robes with stripes of scarlet which they call trabeae. They
begin their procession from a certain temple of Mars built outside
the walls, and going through several parts of the city and the Forum,
they pass by the temple of Castor and Pollux, sometimes to the number
even of five thousand, wearing whatever rewards for valour in battle
they have received from their commanders, a fine sight and worthy of
the greatness of the Roman dominion. These are the things I have
found both related and performed by the Romans in commemoration of
the appearance of Castor and Pollux; and from these, as well as from
many other important instances, one may judge how dear to the gods
were the men of those times." ~ Dionysius of Halicarnassus 6.13


Today's thought is from Stobaeus 26:

"It is not proper either to have a blunt sword or to use freedom of
speech ineffectually."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56918 From: Gaius Aemilius Crassus Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: Re: OY: Venator's Uncle Michael

Salve Venator,

 

Very beautiful and moving. That a person marks so deeply and fondly the ones that are near him, even when life separates them by physical distance, are the true signs of a good person. May we leave such memories with our loved ones when our hour arrives.

My sincere respects and honor to the memory of your uncle/brother Michael.

 

Vale optime bene,

 

C. Aemilius Crassus.
 

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56920 From: C. Curius Saturninus Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3988
Salvete omnes et salve tribuna,

It seems that very core of the matter that culminated into my message
of yesterday evening has been that for unknown technical reason the
consul Piscinus had not received single of my numerous private emails
I have sent to him during past two months or so. I was naturally very
upset about, what it seemed from my end, deliberate silence from his
part. This combined with some of his actions had produced a situation
where I was under impression that his actions were at least ill-
thought and at worst, as I said, mindless. It is indeed a combination
of very bizarre coincidences, some of which, without going into
details, would really seem like from a story rather than from a real
life.

Many thanks for Senators who have helped me and consul today to find
a way to contact each other, without them this problem might have
gone unsolved! Especially I have to thank princeps senatus,
Quintilianus, for his efforts in this matter: he is, as ever, a wise
man with a golden heart.

And my apologises to consul, for both the tone and selection of words
of mine.


To L. Livia Plauta I'll use this same message to answer:

> I wish you had taken a deep breath and counted until ten before
> posting on the main list a message that refers to discussions that
> are going on in the Senate behind closed doors.

Actually writing the message too almost 45 minutes, so ten minutes
more would not probably have brought any significant changes into it.
Of course I do understand your point of view, as tribune you had to
think about that aspect of the matter. However my rationale was that
it was an issue serious enough for the whole NR to know.


> I wish everybody (and not just you, esteemed senator) had a bit more
> trust in their fellow citizens and would not always assume that the
> people who do something they don't agree with are stupid, or
> deliberately trying to harm.

I have to point out that this situation had been developing during
past months and this was only a culmination of it.


> I was as surprised as you are with the money allocation for the
> scholarship fund, but if I was a senator I would have tried to solve
> the problem with discussion

Which was what I had done, only to learn today that my emails had not
reached the consul, while the timing of some of his actions simply
coincided with my mails to him in a way that it produced an
impression of malintent actions from his side.


> And, Saturnine, I do hope that this incident will not prevent you
> from coming to the conventus, because I was looking forward to
> meeting you,

In any case it could have not prevented it, since the plane tickets
are not refundable, so I could have not cancel them even if I would
have liked.


> I do hope you will not resign from the Senate and from Nova Roma.

There really doesn't seem to be need for such now.

Vale et Valete,

C. Curius Saturninus
(Mikko Sillanpää)

Senator - Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Thules
Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
thule.novaroma.org
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56921 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3988
Salve Saturnine,
wow! You seem to be persecuted by bad luck! When we meet at the
conventus I will give you an amulet (copy of a roman one) that should
prevent such nefarious coincidences in the future.
Optime vale,
Livia

>
> Salvete omnes et salve tribuna,
>
> It seems that very core of the matter that culminated into my
message
> of yesterday evening has been that for unknown technical reason
the
> consul Piscinus had not received single of my numerous private
emails
> I have sent to him during past two months or so. I was naturally
very
> upset about, what it seemed from my end, deliberate silence from
his
> part. This combined with some of his actions had produced a
situation
> where I was under impression that his actions were at least ill-
> thought and at worst, as I said, mindless. It is indeed a
combination
> of very bizarre coincidences, some of which, without going into
> details, would really seem like from a story rather than from a
real
> life.
>
> Many thanks for Senators who have helped me and consul today to
find
> a way to contact each other, without them this problem might have
> gone unsolved! Especially I have to thank princeps senatus,
> Quintilianus, for his efforts in this matter: he is, as ever, a
wise
> man with a golden heart.
>
> And my apologises to consul, for both the tone and selection of
words
> of mine.
>
>
> To L. Livia Plauta I'll use this same message to answer:
>
> > I wish you had taken a deep breath and counted until ten before
> > posting on the main list a message that refers to discussions that
> > are going on in the Senate behind closed doors.
>
> Actually writing the message too almost 45 minutes, so ten minutes
> more would not probably have brought any significant changes into
it.
> Of course I do understand your point of view, as tribune you had
to
> think about that aspect of the matter. However my rationale was
that
> it was an issue serious enough for the whole NR to know.
>
>
> > I wish everybody (and not just you, esteemed senator) had a bit
more
> > trust in their fellow citizens and would not always assume that
the
> > people who do something they don't agree with are stupid, or
> > deliberately trying to harm.
>
> I have to point out that this situation had been developing during
> past months and this was only a culmination of it.
>
>
> > I was as surprised as you are with the money allocation for the
> > scholarship fund, but if I was a senator I would have tried to
solve
> > the problem with discussion
>
> Which was what I had done, only to learn today that my emails had
not
> reached the consul, while the timing of some of his actions simply
> coincided with my mails to him in a way that it produced an
> impression of malintent actions from his side.
>
>
> > And, Saturnine, I do hope that this incident will not prevent you
> > from coming to the conventus, because I was looking forward to
> > meeting you,
>
> In any case it could have not prevented it, since the plane
tickets
> are not refundable, so I could have not cancel them even if I
would
> have liked.
>
>
> > I do hope you will not resign from the Senate and from Nova Roma.
>
> There really doesn't seem to be need for such now.
>
> Vale et Valete,
>
> C. Curius Saturninus
> (Mikko Sillanpää)
>
> Senator - Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Thules
> Rector Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> thule.novaroma.org
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56922 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: The senate voting agenda has been changed
L. Livia Plauta tribuna plebis omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.

This is the message consul Piscinus posted on the senate list:

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Consul: T. Iulio Sabino Consuli
collegae, Praetoribus, Tribunibus Plebis, Senatoribus Patribus
Mátribusque Conscriptís, viris clarissimis et castissimae mulieribus,
omnibus quibusque in senatu senteniam dicere licet: salutem plurimam
dicit:

There seems to have been some confusion over why I submitted certain
items in the agenda at this time. First, I shall withdraw Items II
and IV.

Item II is the request that the Senate approve an appropriation for
this year's VI Conventus Europa that will begin in two weeks in
provincial Dacia.

Item IV concerns my proposal to set aside an endowment for the
Scholarship Fund.

The misunderstanding seems to be with the timing and the process for
submitting these to items. so allow me to explain.

A Budget was never approved for this year. Instead I have been
authorizing that payments be made from our Emergency Fund. Those
have been necessary payments to cover our usual expenses. Paypal
fees and banking fees are automatically deducting for transactions.
For accounting purposes these might be shown as coming from the
Emergency fund, or if the fees were incurred for donations to the AF
then they came off the donation itself, charged to the AF. That is
the difference between what was received for the MMP and what
was "allocated" after the expense of the fees.

Any other expense, because we do not have a Budget 2008, the Consules
will necessarily have to come to the Senate for approval to
authorizes additional expenses. That is why Consul Sabinus came to
you earlier with the proposal to subscribe to JSTOR. We shall do so
this fall when it shall be most opportune, and since it is not
something covered in any budget, it has to be regarded as a special
allocation.

Likewise with the request for the Conventus. It was proposed by
Censor Galerius last year, but never approved. So in order to support
the Conventus this year as in in earlier years, we requested a
special allotment as a reimbursement to defer some of provincia
Dacia's costs. Even if we would not get the money to thembefore the
Conventus, it would help if the provincia knew that the Senate had
approved a reimbursement. This issue was not considered yet by the
Senate Committee on Conventi and Public Events, and should not need
to be as the Conventus itself for this year was earlier approved.
The special allocation was also not put before the Senate Committee
for the Budget and Finance yet, because it is a special allotment for
this year, while the Committee itself has to consider next year's
Budget.

The endowment for the Scholarship Fund is not a new issue with me. I
spoke of this during my election campaign. But I will grant that it
is a budget issue. My way of thinking was to see whether the Senate
approved of such a proposal so that I could work around it in working
with the Committee on next year's Budget 2009. At the Conventus in
Dacia Sabinus and I have set aside time to discuss the MMP along with
Aedilis Memmius and Senator Saturninus, in the presence of our
Tribuna Lucia Livia. To me these are too separate issues, but I
realize now that I shall much more work to do in explaining what I
intend to propose as a working draft for the Budget 2009 that will
reconcile the different interests.

As I don't believe there is enough time to address some concerns,
even if I now would extend our contio and delay the voting period, I
shall withdraw these Items II and IV at this time for further
consultation.

Valete optime
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56923 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-15
Subject: Re: The senate voting agenda has been changed
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Consuli M. Moravio Piscino Horatiano S.P.D.

  Of the agenda items originally posted, one that gave me much hope was that the Senate would vote on helping fund the Conventus. Supporting such concrete endeavours should be one of the highest priorities of Nova Roma, and the amount in question (USD$300) is very reasonable. For what it is worth, know that I, a soon-to-be citizen of Nova Roma, wholeheartedly support the above-mentioned item.

  Di te incolumem custodiant!
 
--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56924 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: a. d. XVII Kalendas Sextalis: Dies Alliensis; dies natalis Sexti Pos
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Invenietis omnia prospera evenisse sequentibus Deos, adversa
spernentibus.

Hodie est ante diem XVII Kalendas Sextilias; haec dies fastus,
Merkatus, aterque Alliensisest:

Dies natalis Sexti Postumii Albi Diribitori. Salve optime, Sexte
Postumi, felices natalis!

Merkatus

As with similar celebrations in the Roman calendar, the Ludi
Apollinares were followed by several market days, which was itself a
kind of festival for Mercurius in the form of a bazaar.


AUC 363 / 390 BCE: Roman Defeat on the River Allia

"To such an extent does Fortune blind men's eyes when She will not
have Her threatened blows parried, that though such a weight of
disaster was hanging over the State, no special steps were taken to
avert it. In the wars against Fidenae and Veii and other neighboring
States, a Dictator had on many occasions been nominated as a last
resource. But now when an enemy, never seen or even heard of before,
was rousing up war from ocean and the furthest corners of the world,
no recourse was had to a Dictator, no extraordinary efforts were
made. Those men through whose recklessness the war had been brought
about were in supreme commands as military tribunes with consular
powers, and the levy they raised was not larger than had been usual
in ordinary campaigns, they even made light of the reports as to the
seriousness of the war. Meanwhile the Gauls learnt that their embassy
had been treated with contempt, and that honors had actually been
conferred upon men who had violated the law of nations. Burning with
rage - as a nation they cannot control their passions - they seized
their standards and hurriedly set out on their march. At the sound of
their tumult as they swept by, the affrighted cities flew to arms and
the country folk took to flight. Horses and men, spread far and wide,
covered an immense tract of country; wherever they went they made it
understood by loud shouts that they were going to Rome. But though
they were preceded by rumors and by messages from Clusium, and then
from one town after another, it was the swiftness of their approach
that created most alarm in Rome. An army hastily raised by a levy en
masse marched out to meet them. The two forces met hardly eleven
miles from Rome, at a spot where the Alia, flowing in a very deep
channel from the Crustuminian mountains, joins the river Tiber a
little below the road to Crustumerium. The whole country in front and
around was now swarming with the enemy, who, being as a nation given
to wild outbreaks, had by their hideous howls and discordant clamor
filled everything with dreadful noise.

"The consular tribunes had secured no position for their camp, had
constructed no entrenchments behind which to retire, and had shown as
much disregard of the Gods as of the enemy, for they formed their
order of battle without having obtained favorable auspices. They
extended their line on either wing to prevent their being outflanked,
but even so they could not make their front equal to the enemy's,
whilst by thus thinning their line they weakened the centre so that
it could hardly keep in touch. On their right was a small eminence
which they decided to hold with reserves, and this disposition,
though it was the beginning of the panic and flight, proved to be the
only means of safety to the fugitives. For Brennus, the Gallic
chieftain, fearing some ruse in the scanty numbers of the enemy, and
thinking that the rising ground was occupied in order that the
reserves might attack the flank and rear of the Gauls while their
front was engaged with the legions, directed his attack upon the
reserves, feeling quite certain that if he drove them from their
position, his overwhelming numbers would give him an easy victory on
the level ground. So not only Fortune but tactics also were on the
side of the barbarians. In the other army there was nothing to remind
one of Romans either amongst the generals or the private soldiers.
They were terrified, and all they thought about was flight, and so
utterly had they lost their heads that a far greater number fled to
Veii, a hostile city, though the Tiber lay in their way, than by the
direct road to Rome, to their wives and children. For a short time
the reserves were protected by their position. In the rest of the
army, no sooner was the battle-shout heard on their flank by those
nearest to the reserves, and then by those at the other end of the
line heard in their rear, than they fled, whole and unhurt, almost
before they had seen their untried foe, without any attempt to fight
or even to give back the battle-shout. None were slain while actually
fighting; they were cut down from behind whilst hindering one
another's flight in a confused, struggling mass. Along the bank of
the Tiber, whither the whole of the left wing had fled, after
throwing away their arms, there was great slaughter. Many who were
unable to swim or were hampered by the weight of their cuirasses and
other armour were sucked down by the current. The greater number,
however, reached Veii in safety. Yet not only were no troops sent
from there to defend the City, but not even was a messenger
dispatched to report the defeat to Rome. All the men on the right
wing, which had been stationed some distance from the river, and
nearer to the foot of the hill, made for Rome and took refuge in the
Citadel without even closing the City gates." ~ Titus Livius 5.37-38


Dies Alliensis

"Among our ancestors, no affair was undertaken, either in public or
private, before taking the auspices." ~ Valerius Maximus 2.1.1

"The consular tribune Sulpicius had not offered acceptable sacrifices
on July 16 (the day after the Ides), and without having secured the
good will of the Gods the Roman army was exposed to the enemy two
days later. Some think that it was for this reason that on the day
after the Ides in each month all religious functions were ordered to
be suspended, and hence it became the custom to observe the second
and the middle days of the month in the same way." ~ Titus Livius
6.1.12

"Verrius Flaccus, in the fourth book of his work De Verborum
Significatu writes that the days immediately following the Kalends,
Nones, and Ides, which the vulgar ignorantly declare to be nefastus,
are properly called and considered ill-omened for this reason: When
the City, he says, had been recovered from the Senonian Gauls, Lucius
Atilius stated in the Senate that Quintus Sulpicius, tribune of the
soldiers, when on the eve of fighting against the Gauls at the Allia,
offered sacrifice in anticipation of the battle on the day after the
Ides; that the army of the Roman people was thereupon cut to pieces,
and three days later the whole City, except the Capital, was taken.
Also many other senators said that they remembered that whenever with
a view to waging war a magistrate of the Roman people had sacrificed
on the day after the Kalends, Nones, or Ides, in the very next battle
of the war the State had suffered a disaster. Then the Senate
referred the matter to the pontifices, that they might take what
action they saw fit. The pontifices decreed that no sacrifice would
properly be made on those days." ~ Gellius, Noctes Atticae 5.17.1-2

Plutarch, Roman Question 25:

"Why do they reckon the day that follows the Kalends, the Nones, or
the Ides as unsuitable for leaving home or travel?

"Is it, as most authorities think and as Livy records, that on the
day after the Ides of Quintilis, which they now call Julius, the
military tribunes led out the army, and were vanquished in battle by
the Gauls at the river Allia and lost the City? (18 July 390 BCE.)
But when the day after the Ides had come to be regarded as ill-
omened, did superstition, as is its wont, extend the custom further,
and involve in the same circumspection the day after the Nones and
the day after the Kalends as well?

"Or does this refer to many irrational assumptions? For it was on a
different day that they were defeated in battle, a day which they
call dies Alliensis from the river, and makes a dread day of
expiation; and although they have many ill-omened days, they do not
observe them under the same names in each month, but each in the
month in which it occurs; and it is thus quite incredible that the
superstition should have attached itself simply to all days that
follow immediately after the Nones or the Kalends.

"Consider the following analogy. Just as they have dedicated the
first month to the Gods of Olympus, and the second, in which they
perform certain rites of purification and sacrifice to the departed,
to the gods of the lower world, so also in regard to the days of the
month they have establish three as festive and holy (Kalends, Nonse,
and Idus), as I have stated, which are, as it were, fundamental and
sovereign days, but the days which follow immediately they have
dedicated to the spirits and the dead, and have come to regard them
as ill-omened and unsuitable for business. In fact, the Greeks
worship the Gods on the day of the New Moon (like the Kalends); the
next day they have duly assigned to the heroes and spirits, and the
second bowl of wine is mixed honor of the heroes and heroines. And
speaking generally, time is a sort of number; and the beginning
number is divine, for it is the Monad. But after it is the dyad,
antagonistic to the beginning number, and the first of the even
numbers. The even numbers are imperfect, incomplete, and
indeterminate, just as the odd numbers are determinate, completing,
and perfect. Wherefore in like manner, the Nones succeed the Kalends
as an interval of five days and the Ides succeed the Nones at an
interval of nine days. For the odd numbers define the beginnings,
but the even numbers, since they occur after the beginnings, have no
position nor power; therefore on these days they do not begin any
business and travel."


AUC 536 / 217 BCE: Birth of Carneades

Carneades was a prominent leader of the skeptical school of
Platonism, after Arcesilaus, and head of the Academy. Arcesilaus had
argued against the Stoic epistemology of Zeno by showing the
unreliability of our sense perceptions. The Stoic Chrysippus
therefore refined his schools views. Carneades countered with a
moderate cynicism that professed that our knowledge of things, at
best, could only be based in plausibility and probability. While at
Rome he demonstrated his school's methods by offering an eloquent
argument for traditional views of justice one day, only to return on
the following day to give an equally eloquent argument against the
traditional views. The result only angered certain Romans, most
notably Cato the Elder, and led to an expulsion of philosophers.

AUC 598 / 155 BCE: Carneades sent as an Athenian emissary to Rome

"[Cato] was now grown old, when Carneades the Academic, and Diogenes
the Stoic, came as deputies from Athens to Rome, praying for release
from a penalty of five hundred talents laid on the Athenians, in a
suit, to which they did not appear, in which the Oropians were
plaintiffs and Sicyonians judges. All the most studious youth
immediately waited on these philosophers, and frequently, with
admiration, heard them speak. But the gracefulness of Carneades'
oratory, whose ability was really greatest, and his reputation equal
to it, gathered large and favorable audiences, and ere long filled,
like a wind, the entire city with the sound of it. So that it soon
began to be told that a Greek, famous even to admiration, winning and
carrying all before him, had impressed so strange a love upon the
young men, that quitting all their pleasures and pastimes, they ran
mad, as it were, after philosophy; which indeed much pleased the
Romans in general; nor could they but with much pleasure see the
youth receive so welcome the Greek literature, and frequent the
company of learned men. But Cato, on the other side, seeing the
passion for words flowing into the city, from the beginning took it
ill, fearing lest the youth should be diverted that way, and so
should prefer the glory of speaking well before that of arms and
doing well. And when the fame of the philosophers increased in the
city, and Caius Acilius, a person of distinction, at his own request,
became their interpreter to the senate at their first audience, Cato
resolved, under some specious pretence, to have all philosophers
cleared out of the city; and, coming into the senate, blamed the
magistrates for letting these deputies stay so long a time without
being dispatched, though they were persons that could easily persuade
the people to what they pleased; that therefore in all haste
something should be determined about their petition, that so they
might go home again to their own schools, and declaim to the Greek
children, and leave the Roman youth to be obedient, as hitherto, to
their own laws and governors." ~ Plutarch, Life of Cato


Our thought for today is from Sextus 76:

"Think that your body is the garment of your soul; and therefore
always preserve it as pure."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56925 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: Re: The senate voting agenda has been changed
Salve Gnae Caeli

This is only a procedural matter. Last year when Censor Galerius was
Consul he was unable to pass any Budget for this year. There was good
reason for that, which I can go into when I begin discussing our
finances on the Comitia Centuriata list. I am just waiting for more of
our Citizens to subscribe to theat list and the conclusion of this
Senate session.

Agenda Items II and IV will be resubmitted later. The procedural
matter is that they should pass through the Senate Committees first. I
had put them forth as additional allocations, since we don't have a
Budget 2008. The Senate Committees were established only last
December. It is still a new way of working. I think it is very
important that we get that system of committee review working. It is a
priority for both Sabinus and myself. So when the chairs of two
committees brought it to my attention that they wish these two items
first reviewed by their respective committees, I agreed.

Vale optime
M. Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
<cn.caelius@...> wrote:
>
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Consuli M. Moravio Piscino Horatiano S.P.D.
>
> Of the agenda items originally posted, one that gave me much hope
was that the Senate would vote on helping fund the Conventus.
Supporting such concrete endeavours should be one of the highest
priorities of Nova Roma, and the amount in question (USD$300) is very
reasonable. For what it is worth, know that I, a soon-to-be citizen of
Nova Roma, wholeheartedly support the above-mentioned item.
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56926 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: CHARIOT RACING IN THE CIRCVS MAXIMVS?

Salvete omnes,

 

I just found this in the web site of Der Spiegel Online...


Valete,


M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO

SPIEGEL ONLINE

07/16/2008 06:25 PM

'LIKE NASCAR ON SPEED'

Chariot Racing Might Return to Circus Maximus

By Josh Ward

If one Italian entrepreneur has his way, Rome's Circus Maximus will once again play host to roaring chariot racing. It's time, he says, for Romans to once again leave the Gauls and the Huns in their dust.

It's a situation that keeps Franco Calo up at night. Across Europe and the world, chariot racing, perhaps the most Roman of all sporting events, is enjoying a renaissance of sorts. Events are held in cities from Bulgaria to Germany to France. There is even a hippodrome in Brazil.

But in Calo's native Rome? So far, the 27th generation Roman points out ruefully, there is nothing. That, though, is something Calo is setting about to change. He is pushing for the Italian capital to reclaim chariot racing and establish an event of its own.

"Rome is the only large Italian city without a unique historical manifestation, such as Siena's Palio horse races or Venice's Regata Storica," Calo told SPIEGEL ONLINE. He is slightly more pointed on his Web site Vadis al Maximo: Do Romans, he asks his readers, really want "to come in third behind the Gauls (the French) and the Huns (the Germans), when it comes to Romanness?"

Calo is especially annoyed that many of the races currently held outside of Italy show major shortcomings when it comes to historical accuracy. The re-enactments near Berlin particularly upset him. His Web site links to a video of the chariot races held annually in the city's Karlhorst district, but he warns that: "The site is only to be viewed by those with strong stomachs, as it contains horrific images, such as chariots being pulled by ponies and fake Roman soldiers, all blond and wearing disordered plumes."

The Phenomenon of the Great Spectacle

Such carelessness with past Roman glory simply won't do for Calo. It is time, he says, for chariot racing to come home to Rome -- and more specifically to the Circus Maximus, the site of Rome's earliest and largest circus and host to innumerable chariot races through the ages.

"After a prolonged and undeserved historical silence," Calo announces on his site, "there is finally an initiative to commemorate the glorious past of the Eternal City."

That, though, isn't all. Calo, who works in the Italian film industry, would also like the chariot racing event -- tentatively scheduled for three days starting on Oct. 17, 2009 -- to be accompanied by bits of historical authenticity across the Italian capital. In addition to the races, Cato envisions Roman squares dressed up to look like ancient Rome. He has his eye on props from Cinecitta film studios, the Italian production lots where "Ben Hur" -- the 1959 film whose chariot scene is widely considered to be one of the most spectacular scenes in the history of cinematography -- was filmed.

"I spent five years in Los Angeles," Calo says. "In America, I had the chance to witness the phenomenon of the great spectacle."

Still, as large as Calo's dreams are, so too are the potential hurdles. While he claims that he has lined up some potential sponsors, the site itself, Circus Maximus, is hardly what it used to be. Most of the circus' materials have been carted off over the centuries to be put to use in other buildings, and its grounds are now officially protected as a park. Nowadays, it is mostly used as a dog-run and a place for Romans to go jogging.

Plus, the film studio says it has not yet been contacted about the myriad statues, chariots, armor and catapults Cato would like to use for his re-enactment. Indeed, a representative of the studios says it doesn't even have some of these items in the first place.

NASCAR on Speed

Most challenging of all, however, is getting permission from the city to stage the event in the first place. "We've reached an important moment and we've passed most of the big tests," Calo insists. Marco Pomarici, the chairman of Rome's municipal counsel who is second in charge behind the mayor, has voiced his support for the project, according to Calo.

But Calo will also have to obtain permission from cultural heritage officials, who have been presented with an impact assessment and are currently reviewing the proposal.

Jeremy Hartnett, a professor at Rome's Intercollegiate Center for Classical Studies and an expert on ancient Roman urban society, for his part, is skeptical that they will be cooperative. "I can't imagine they'd let him do this," Hartnett told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "One thing we know for sure about Roman chariot racing is that it was extremely dangerous. It was like NASCAR on speed."

Still, Calo figures if chariot races can be held elsewhere, then it certainly should be possible in Rome. Plus, it can be big business. Stellan Lind, for example, a Swedish citizen currently living in Jordan, runs a company devoted to staging such races. Called the Roman Army and Chariot Experience (RACE), Lind's company recreates Roman army displays and chariot races for tourists twice a day year-round. Although the races are choreographed, the hippodrome the races are held in -- located in Jaresh, Jordan -- was built by the Romans and his chariots are based on the original designs of Alfredo Danesi, the Italian expert who made the chariots used in 'Ben-Hur.'

A Porsche Chariot?

"The movie industry -- and especially 'Gladiator' -- has created a new interest in all things Roman," Stellan Lind told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "I always tell people that it's just like today's Formula 1. And, really, what's the difference? What we enjoy watching doesn't change."

In France, film director Robert Hossein transformed Paris's Stade de France into a venue for putting on five re-enactment performances of the "Ben-Hur" racing scene in September 2007. The $17-million (€10.7 million) event used hundreds of extras in period dress and drew nearly 300,000 spectators.

Calo also hopes his events can have international and even corporate flair. "Different companies could sponsor the various chariots," Calo says, "so you could have, for example, a Porsche chariot or a Mercedes chariot."

"And can you imagine," Calo added, "German charioteers driving Arab horses?"

But, of course, where does that leave the Italians and, more importantly, Roman pride? "It's ironic," says Hartnett, "that the people that the Romans conquered are the ones who want to play Romans. You never see modern Italians getting excited about dressing up as Romans."


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56927 From: Lyn Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: Re: CHARIOT RACING IN THE CIRCVS MAXIMVS?

Gratias tibi ago, Severe.

 

Valete,

ld

 


From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M•IVL•SEVERVS
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:45 PM
To: Nova Roma
Subject: [Nova-Roma] CHARIOT RACING IN THE CIRCVS MAXIMVS?

 

Salvete omnes,

 

I just found this in the web site of Der Spiegel Online...


Valete,


M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ• MEXICO

SPIEGEL ONLINE

07/16/2008 06:25 PM

'LIKE NASCAR ON SPEED'

Chariot Racing Might Return to Circus Maximus

By Josh Ward

If one Italian entrepreneur has his way, Rome 's Circus Maximus will once again play host to roaring chariot racing. It's time, he says, for Romans to once again leave the Gauls and the Huns in their dust.

It's a situation that keeps Franco Calo up at night. Across Europe and the world, chariot racing, perhaps the most Roman of all sporting events, is enjoying a renaissance of sorts. Events are held in cities from Bulgaria to Germany to France . There is even a hippodrome in Brazil .

But in Calo's native Rome ? So far, the 27th generation Roman points out ruefully, there is nothing. That, though, is something Calo is setting about to change. He is pushing for the Italian capital to reclaim chariot racing and establish an event of its own.

" Rome is the only large Italian city without a unique historical manifestation, such as Siena 's Palio horse races or Venice 's Regata Storica," Calo told SPIEGEL ONLINE. He is slightly more pointed on his Web site Vadis al Maximo: Do Romans, he asks his readers, really want "to come in third behind the Gauls (the French) and the Huns (the Germans), when it comes to Romanness?"

Calo is especially annoyed that many of the races currently held outside of Italy show major shortcomings when it comes to historical accuracy. The re-enactments near Berlin particularly upset him. His Web site links to a video of the chariot races held annually in the city's Karlhorst district, but he warns that: "The site is only to be viewed by those with strong stomachs, as it contains horrific images, such as chariots being pulled by ponies and fake Roman soldiers, all blond and wearing disordered plumes."

The Phenomenon of the Great Spectacle

Such carelessness with past Roman glory simply won't do for Calo. It is time, he says, for chariot racing to come home to Rome -- and more specifically to the Circus Maximus, the site of Rome 's earliest and largest circus and host to innumerable chariot races through the ages.

"After a prolonged and undeserved historical silence," Calo announces on his site, "there is finally an initiative to commemorate the glorious past of the Eternal City ."

That, though, isn't all. Calo, who works in the Italian film industry, would also like the chariot racing event -- tentatively scheduled for three days starting on Oct. 17, 2009 -- to be accompanied by bits of historical authenticity across the Italian capital. In addition to the races, Cato envisions Roman squares dressed up to look like ancient Rome . He has his eye on props from Cinecitta film studios, the Italian production lots where "Ben Hur" -- the 1959 film whose chariot scene is widely considered to be one of the most spectacular scenes in the history of cinematography -- was filmed.

"I spent five years in Los Angeles ," Calo says. "In America , I had the chance to witness the phenomenon of the great spectacle."

Still, as large as Calo's dreams are, so too are the potential hurdles. While he claims that he has lined up some potential sponsors, the site itself, Circus Maximus, is hardly what it used to be. Most of the circus' materials have been carted off over the centuries to be put to use in other buildings, and its grounds are now officially protected as a park. Nowadays, it is mostly used as a dog-run and a place for Romans to go jogging.

Plus, the film studio says it has not yet been contacted about the myriad statues, chariots, armor and catapults Cato would like to use for his re-enactment. Indeed, a representative of the studios says it doesn't even have some of these items in the first place.

NASCAR on Speed

Most challenging of all, however, is getting permission from the city to stage the event in the first place. "We've reached an important moment and we've passed most of the big tests," Calo insists. Marco Pomarici, the chairman of Rome 's municipal counsel who is second in charge behind the mayor, has voiced his support for the project, according to Calo.

But Calo will also have to obtain permission from cultural heritage officials, who have been presented with an impact assessment and are currently reviewing the proposal.

Jeremy Hartnett, a professor at Rome 's Intercollegiate Center for Classical Studies and an expert on ancient Roman urban society, for his part, is skeptical that they will be cooperative. "I can't imagine they'd let him do this," Hartnett told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "One thing we know for sure about Roman chariot racing is that it was extremely dangerous. It was like NASCAR on speed."

Still, Calo figures if chariot races can be held elsewhere, then it certainly should be possible in Rome . Plus, it can be big business. Stellan Lind, for example, a Swedish citizen currently living in Jordan , runs a company devoted to staging such races. Called the Roman Army and Chariot Experience (RACE), Lind's company recreates Roman army displays and chariot races for tourists twice a day year-round. Although the races are choreographed, the hippodrome the races are held in -- located in Jaresh , Jordan -- was built by the Romans and his chariots are based on the original designs of Alfredo Danesi, the Italian expert who made the chariots used in 'Ben-Hur.'

A Porsche Chariot?

"The movie industry -- and especially 'Gladiator' -- has created a new interest in all things Roman," Stellan Lind told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "I always tell people that it's just like today's Formula 1. And, really, what's the difference? What we enjoy watching doesn't change."

In France , film director Robert Hossein transformed Paris 's Stade de France into a venue for putting on five re-enactment performances of the "Ben-Hur" racing scene in September 2007. The $17-million (€10.7 million) event used hundreds of extras in period dress and drew nearly 300,000 spectators.

Calo also hopes his events can have international and even corporate flair. "Different companies could sponsor the various chariots," Calo says, "so you could have, for example, a Porsche chariot or a Mercedes chariot."

"And can you imagine," Calo added, "German charioteers driving Arab horses?"

But, of course, where does that leave the Italians and, more importantly, Roman pride? "It's ironic," says Hartnett, "that the people that the Romans conquered are the ones who want to play Romans. You never see modern Italians getting excited about dressing up as Romans."

 

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56928 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: 10th Anniversary - Sacred Year of Concordia - Ritual
Cn. Lentulus sacerdos Concordiae omnibus sal.


Yesterday's ritual was successfully done, but there is no time for me presently to write it in an elaborated e-mail.

The text of the sacrifice will be posted on the NR website Virtual Concordia Temple.

Excuse me, and valete!

And please, offer a prayer for the solution of the Saturninus case!

Calm down, C. Curi, and try to be more cooperative!


Valete in pace, in patientia, et in concordia!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------------------
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56929 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: Re: The senate voting agenda has been changed
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus M. Moravio Piscino Horatiano S.P.D.

  I appreciate your explanation. Maximas gratias tibi ago. I'm sure it helped many people understand what was happening.

Di te incolumem custodiant!
 
--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56930 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electronic
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus S.P.D.

I wish to express my personal displeasure at the rude, disrespectful, and vulgar message posted by C. Curius Saturninus to this list a few days ago. His disrespect towards a sitting Consul, in my personal opinion, is almost inexcusable. His following messages, explaining the seemingly ongoing and unusual situation, are helpful, but they do not justify his original comments. One should learn to control one's emotions, no matter what the circumstances.

I think many of us would do better to realize that we are not robots. When you write a message, that message is read by another human being. If you wouldn't say something to someone's face, you may not want to send it electronically.

Valete omnes.

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56931 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-16
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Caelio Ahenobarbo salutem dicit

While I agree that the actions of Saturninus where wrong, the consul in question did accept his apology and asked that the matter be dropped.

Vale;

Caeso Buteo

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:

Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus S.P.D.

I wish to express my personal displeasure at the rude, disrespectful, and vulgar message posted by C. Curius Saturninus to this list a few days ago. His disrespect towards a sitting Consul, in my personal opinion, is almost inexcusable. His following messages, explaining the seemingly ongoing and unusual situation, are helpful, but they do not justify his original comments. One should learn to control one's emotions, no matter what the circumstances.

I think many of us would do better to realize that we are not robots. When you write a message, that message is read by another human being. If you wouldn't say something to someone's face, you may not want to send it electronically.

Valete omnes.

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56932 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano S.P.D.

>While I agree that the actions of Saturninus where wrong,
>the consul in
question did accept his apology and asked
>that the matter be dropped.

Ah. Unlike the original message, I saw no public acceptance thereof. I hope that everything has come to a place where people can work together to do the great things that Nova Roma could do.

Optime vale.

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56933 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Re: [Nova-Roma] Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electronic Communications
A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano Cn. Caelio Ahenobarbo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Caelio Ahenobarbo salutem dicit

While I agree that the actions of Saturninus where wrong, the consul in question did accept his apology and asked that the matter be dropped.

    ATS:  I suspect that most of us would hope that such outbursts not occur here or anywhere, especially in public.  Once a word is uttered, it cannot be recalled, and any sensible person would have bitten his or her tongue before posting such inappropriate language in a forum populated by minors, to say nothing of educated women who do not care to see or hear that sort of trash.  I hope that the relevant authorities have imposed appropriate measures to guard against any further events of this sort.  One must control one’s temper, as our fellow-citizen Ahenobarbus has observed, for many are the consequences of such eruptions.  Unfortunately, a similar outburst elsewhere using similar vocabulary accompanied by insults are well on their way to costing us the services, and even the presence, of our chief Latinist, Avitus, who has dropped several hints that he would leave both the Academia Thules and even Nova Roma as a result of those remarks unless an apology is tendered.  That would be an irreparable loss to both the Academia Thules and Nova Roma, for world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those who are willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still.  Granted, both parties are not innocent, and Avitus is not blessed with an easy-going personality, but one should back away from this head-butting and acquire the maturity needed to arrive at a more appropriate solution.  Saturninus has done a great deal for Nova Roma and the Academia Thules; we will be fortunate if he has indeed reconsidered his departure from either the AT or NR, but his actions have disgraced both him and us; those in another forum may well cost us a citizen who has given us much of himself and his knowledge, and brought us some respect in quarters where it is sadly lacking.  Avitus’ departure from either the AT or NR would be an irreplaceable loss, and one I at least would not care to witness.  Much as I hate to say this, Saturninus must abide by the same rules as the rest of humanity, and refrain from tantrums or other actions which would have gotten anyone else banned on the spot.  This is a terrible example for our new citizens and peregrini.  He owes all of us an apology for posting Senate business to the ML and for using gutter language confined to the lowest of the low in public, and should also apologize to Decanus Avitus for his remarks elsewhere.  That would demonstrate maturity, not the behavior of bimi.  Hesychia kalon.

Vale;

Caeso Buteo

Valete.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:

 

Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus S.P.D.

I wish to express my personal displeasure at the rude, disrespectful, and vulgar message posted by C. Curius Saturninus to this list a few days ago. His disrespect towards a sitting Consul, in my personal opinion, is almost inexcusable. His following messages, explaining the seemingly ongoing and unusual situation, are helpful, but they do not justify his original comments. One should learn to control one's emotions, no matter what the circumstances.

I think many of us would do better to realize that we are not robots. When you write a message, that message is read by another human being. If you wouldn't say something to someone's face, you may not want to send it electronically.

Valete omnes.

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com

    

 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56934 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] CHARIOT RACING IN THE CIRCVS MAXIMVS?

Magnas gratias tibi ago, Severe.

 

Thank you very much for sharing this with us,amice. 

 

Roma aeterna !

 

Optime vale

Titus Flavius Aquila

 



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Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 16. Juli 2008, 21:09:21 Uhr
Betreff: RE: [Nova-Roma] CHARIOT RACING IN THE CIRCVS MAXIMVS?

Gratias tibi ago, Severe.

 

Valete,

ld

 


From: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Nova- Roma@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of M•IVL•SEVERVS
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:45 PM
To: Nova Roma
Subject: [Nova-Roma] CHARIOT RACING IN THE CIRCVS MAXIMVS?

 

Salvete omnes,

 

I just found this in the web site of Der Spiegel Online...


Valete,


M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ• MEXICO

SPIEGEL ONLINE

07/16/2008 06:25 PM

'LIKE NASCAR ON SPEED'

Chariot Racing Might Return to Circus Maximus

By Josh Ward

If one Italian entrepreneur has his way, Rome 's Circus Maximus will once again play host to roaring chariot racing. It's time, he says, for Romans to once again leave the Gauls and the Huns in their dust.

It's a situation that keeps Franco Calo up at night. Across Europe and the world, chariot racing, perhaps the most Roman of all sporting events, is enjoying a renaissance of sorts. Events are held in cities from Bulgaria to Germany to France . There is even a hippodrome in Brazil .

But in Calo's native Rome ? So far, the 27th generation Roman points out ruefully, there is nothing. That, though, is something Calo is setting about to change. He is pushing for the Italian capital to reclaim chariot racing and establish an event of its own.

" Rome is the only large Italian city without a unique historical manifestation, such as Siena 's Palio horse races or Venice 's Regata Storica," Calo told SPIEGEL ONLINE. He is slightly more pointed on his Web site Vadis al Maximo: Do Romans, he asks his readers, really want "to come in third behind the Gauls (the French) and the Huns (the Germans), when it comes to Romanness?"

Calo is especially annoyed that many of the races currently held outside of Italy show major shortcomings when it comes to historical accuracy. The re-enactments near Berlin particularly upset him. His Web site links to a video of the chariot races held annually in the city's Karlhorst district, but he warns that: "The site is only to be viewed by those with strong stomachs, as it contains horrific images, such as chariots being pulled by ponies and fake Roman soldiers, all blond and wearing disordered plumes."

The Phenomenon of the Great Spectacle

Such carelessness with past Roman glory simply won't do for Calo. It is time, he says, for chariot racing to come home to Rome -- and more specifically to the Circus Maximus, the site of Rome 's earliest and largest circus and host to innumerable chariot races through the ages.

"After a prolonged and undeserved historical silence," Calo announces on his site, "there is finally an initiative to commemorate the glorious past of the Eternal City ."

That, though, isn't all. Calo, who works in the Italian film industry, would also like the chariot racing event -- tentatively scheduled for three days starting on Oct. 17, 2009 -- to be accompanied by bits of historical authenticity across the Italian capital. In addition to the races, Cato envisions Roman squares dressed up to look like ancient Rome . He has his eye on props from Cinecitta film studios, the Italian production lots where "Ben Hur" -- the 1959 film whose chariot scene is widely considered to be one of the most spectacular scenes in the history of cinematography -- was filmed.

"I spent five years in Los Angeles ," Calo says. "In America , I had the chance to witness the phenomenon of the great spectacle."

Still, as large as Calo's dreams are, so too are the potential hurdles. While he claims that he has lined up some potential sponsors, the site itself, Circus Maximus, is hardly what it used to be. Most of the circus' materials have been carted off over the centuries to be put to use in other buildings, and its grounds are now officially protected as a park. Nowadays, it is mostly used as a dog-run and a place for Romans to go jogging.

Plus, the film studio says it has not yet been contacted about the myriad statues, chariots, armor and catapults Cato would like to use for his re-enactment. Indeed, a representative of the studios says it doesn't even have some of these items in the first place.

NASCAR on Speed

Most challenging of all, however, is getting permission from the city to stage the event in the first place. "We've reached an important moment and we've passed most of the big tests," Calo insists. Marco Pomarici, the chairman of Rome 's municipal counsel who is second in charge behind the mayor, has voiced his support for the project, according to Calo.

But Calo will also have to obtain permission from cultural heritage officials, who have been presented with an impact assessment and are currently reviewing the proposal.

Jeremy Hartnett, a professor at Rome 's Intercollegiate Center for Classical Studies and an expert on ancient Roman urban society, for his part, is skeptical that they will be cooperative. "I can't imagine they'd let him do this," Hartnett told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "One thing we know for sure about Roman chariot racing is that it was extremely dangerous. It was like NASCAR on speed."

Still, Calo figures if chariot races can be held elsewhere, then it certainly should be possible in Rome . Plus, it can be big business. Stellan Lind, for example, a Swedish citizen currently living in Jordan , runs a company devoted to staging such races. Called the Roman Army and Chariot Experience (RACE), Lind's company recreates Roman army displays and chariot races for tourists twice a day year-round. Although the races are choreographed, the hippodrome the races are held in -- located in Jaresh , Jordan -- was built by the Romans and his chariots are based on the original designs of Alfredo Danesi, the Italian expert who made the chariots used in 'Ben-Hur.'

A Porsche Chariot?

"The movie industry -- and especially 'Gladiator' -- has created a new interest in all things Roman," Stellan Lind told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "I always tell people that it's just like today's Formula 1. And, really, what's the difference? What we enjoy watching doesn't change."

In France , film director Robert Hossein transformed Paris 's Stade de France into a venue for putting on five re-enactment performances of the "Ben-Hur" racing scene in September 2007. The $17-million (€10.7 million) event used hundreds of extras in period dress and drew nearly 300,000 spectators.

Calo also hopes his events can have international and even corporate flair. "Different companies could sponsor the various chariots," Calo says, "so you could have, for example, a Porsche chariot or a Mercedes chariot."

"And can you imagine," Calo added, "German charioteers driving Arab horses?"

But, of course, where does that leave the Italians and, more importantly, Roman pride? "It's ironic," says Hartnett, "that the people that the Romans conquered are the ones who want to play Romans. You never see modern Italians getting excited about dressing up as Romans."

 

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56935 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: a. d. XVI Kalendas Sextilias: Honos et Virtus
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Virtus Honosque consilia communicent nobiscum.

Hodie est ante diem XVI Kalendas Sextilias; haec dies comitialis
Merkatus est:

AUC 545 / 208 BCE: The Temples for Virtus and Honos

"It is no wonder therefore if the indulgence of the Gods has
persisted, ever watchful to augment and protect an imperial power by
which even minor items of religious significance are seen to be
weighed with such scrupulous care; for never should our community be
thought to have averted its eyes from the most meticulous practice of
religious observances. In which community, when M. Marcellus, who
captured first Clastidium and then Syracusa, desired in his fifth
consulship to consecrate a temple to Honos and Virtus in due
discharge of vows taken, he was obstructed by the Collegium
Pontificum on the grounds that a single sanctuary could not properly
be dedicated to two deities, arguing that if some prodigy were to
occur therein, it would be impossible to determine to which of the
two an expiatory ceremony should be performed and that it was not
customary to sacrifice to two different deities at once, with certain
exceptions. The pontifical admonition resulted in Marcellus placing
images of Honos and Virtus in two different shrines. Thus neither
the authority of so great a man weighed with the Collegium Pontificum
nor the additional expense with Marcellus so as to interfere with due
course and due observance rendered in matters of religion." ~
Valerius Maximus 1.1.8

"One of the consuls, T. Quinctius Crispinus, left with reinforcements
for the army in Lucania which Q. Fulvius Flaccus had commanded.
Marcellus was detained by religious difficulties which one after
another presented themselves. In the war with the Gauls he had vowed
during the battle of Clastidium a temple to Honos and Virtus, but he
was prevented from dedicating it by the pontiffs. They said that one
shrine could not be lawfully dedicated to two deities, because in
case it were struck by lightning, or some other portent occurred in
it, there would be a difficulty about the expiation, since it could
not be known which deity was to be propitiated; one victim could not
be sacrificed to two deities except in the case of certain specified
deities. A second temple was hastily built to Virtus, but this was
not dedicated by Marcellus. At last he started with reinforcements
for the army which he had left the previous year at Venusia." ~ Titus
Livius 27.25

This was the same Marcus Claudius f. Marcus Marcellus who defeated
Vertomarus, King of the Insubres, at Clastidium in single combat.
Thus he was one of only three men recorded as having won the spolia
optima; the event was so significant that Naevius wrote a play about
the duel. But no less remarkable was that at a critical time when
such an experienced general was needed against Hannibal that he
should accede to the religious duties imposed on him by the
pontifices, even at a significant personal expenses as building
having to build a second temple must have cost him. This of course is
the point made by Valerius Maximus, and probably by others as well
since the story also appears in Livy.

Plutarch, Roman Questions 13:

"Why do they also sacrifice to the God called Honos with the head
uncovered? One might translate Honos as `renown' or `honor'. Is it
because renown is a brilliant thing, conspicuous, and widespread, and
for the reason that they uncover in the presence of good and
honored men, is it for this same reason that they also worship the
God who is named for honor?"


Victoria Augusta

On the Capitoline Hill, on this day in years past rites were
performed to honor divine Victoria of the Romans. This Victoria was
possibly associated with Jupiter Victor, who received a temple on the
Quirinal (?), 13 April 295 BCE. A Temple of Victoria was first
founded on the Palatine Hill, 1 August 294 BCE. It was here that the
black stone of the Magna Mater was first kept while Her own Palatine
temple was being built. A second Palatine Temple of Victoria Virgo
was dedicated 1 August 193 BCE. Then, to honor the Emperor Augustus
of his victories, the Senate voted to set up an Ara Victoriae in the
Curia. Each senator offered incense and poured a libation of wine
for Victoria Augusta upon entering the Curia (Herodian, Histories
5.5.7). In 382 CE the Ara Victoriae Augustae was removed from the
Senate house. The Praefectus of Rome, Symmachus, wrote in vain to
the emperors Valentinian, Theodosius and Arcadius in 384 CE
requesting that this altar be restored to the Senate.

"Permit us, I beseech you, to transmit in our old age to our
posterity what we ourselves received when boys. Great is the love of
customÂ… Where shall we swear to observe your laws and statutes? by
what sanction shall the deceitful mind be deterred from bearing false
witness? All places indeed are full of God, nor is there any spot
where the perjured can be safe, but it is of great efficacy in
restraining crime to feel that we are in the presence of sacred
things. That altar binds together the concord of all, that altar
appeals to the faith of each man, nor does any thing give more weight
to our decrees than that all our decisions are sanctioned, so to
speak, by an oath. A door will thus be opened to perjury, and this is
to be approved of by the illustrious Emperors, allegiance to whom is
guarded by a public oath! But Constantius, of sacred memory, is said
to have done the same thing. Be it so, let us then imitate his other
actions, feeling sure that had any one committed this error before
his time, he would never have fallen into it. For the fall of one is
a warning to his successor, and the censure of a previous example
causes amendment. It was allowable for this predecessor of your
Majesties to incur offence in a novel matter, but how can the same
excuse avail us, if we imitate that which we know was disapproved?
Will your Majesties listen to other acts of this same Emperor more
worthy of your imitation? He left uncurtailed the privileges of the
sacred virgins, he filled the priestly office with men of noble
birth, he allowed the cost of the Roman ceremonies, and following the
joyful Senate through all the streets of the eternal city, he beheld
with serene countenance the temples, reading the names of the gods
inscribed on their pediments, he enquired after the origin of the
sacred edifices, and admired their founders. Although he himself
professed another religion he maintained the ancient one for the
Empire; for every man has his own customs, his own rites. The Divine
mind has distributed to cities various guardians and various
ceremonies. As each man that is born receives a soul, so do nations
receive a genius who guards their destiny. Here the proof from
utility comes in, which is our best voucher with regard to the Deity.
For since our reason is in the dark, what better knowledge of the
gods can we have than from the record and evidence of prosperity? And
if a long course of years give their sanction to a religion, we ought
to keep faith with so many centuries, and to follow our parents, as
they followed with success those who founded them. Let us suppose
Rome herself to approach, and address you in these terms: ' Excellent
Emperors, Fathers of your country, respect these years to which pious
rites have conducted me. Let me use the ancient ceremonies, for I do
not repent of them. Let me live in my own way, for I am free. This
worship reduced the world under my laws; these sacred rites repulsed
Hannibal from the walls, and the Gauls from the Capitol. Am I
reserved for this, to be censured in my old age? I am not unwilling
to consider the proposed decree, and yet late and ignominious is the
reformation of old age.' We pray therefore for a respite for the
gods of our fathers and our native gods. That which all venerate
should in fairness be accounted as one. We look on the same stars,
the heaven is common to us all, the same world surrounds us. What
matters it by what arts each of us seeks for truth? We cannot arrive
by one and the same path at so great a secret; but this discussion
belongs rather to persons at their ease, it is prayers not arguments
which we now offer." ~ Symmachus, Relationes III. 5-10

ADONIA

A dancing lament was performed on this day by the Salmbas,
commemorating the death of Adonis the mortal lover of Venus. Pots of
germinating fennel, barley, wheat and lettuce were placed on River
Tiber to float to the Blessed Isles as a sign of resurrection, the
journey made in honor of Adonis.


Our thought for today is from Marcus Tullius Cicero, De Natura Deorum
2.71:

"But the best and also the most chaste, holiest and most pious way of
worshipping the Gods is ever to venerate Them with purity, sincerity,
and innocence both in thought and of speech."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56936 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit

I don't know who this Avitus fellow is, but he is NOT Nova Roma's "Chief Latinist" as far as I am aware (he may be our best Latinist, but there is a distinction between best and chief).  The senate made no such designation that I have a memory of.  Furthermore, while many citizens of Nova Roma are involved in or have classes through Academia Thules the Academia is not officially a part of Nova Roma.  Therefore, anyone's position within the Academia doesn't necessarily apply here in Nova Roma.  You laud yourself up as the cornerstone of maturity, however, I find your use of the this opportunity to further your own agenda (i.e., Avitus, Academia Thules politices, etc...) to be highly opportunistic.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:05 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano Cn. Caelio Ahenobarbo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Caelio Ahenobarbo salutem dicit

While I agree that the actions of Saturninus where wrong, the consul in question did accept his apology and asked that the matter be dropped.

    ATS:  I suspect that most of us would hope that such outbursts not occur here or anywhere, especially in public.  Once a word is uttered, it cannot be recalled, and any sensible person would have bitten his or her tongue before posting such inappropriate language in a forum populated by minors, to say nothing of educated women who do not care to see or hear that sort of trash.  I hope that the relevant authorities have imposed appropriate measures to guard against any further events of this sort.  One must control one's temper, as our fellow-citizen Ahenobarbus has observed, for many are the consequences of such eruptions.  Unfortunately, a similar outburst elsewhere using similar vocabulary accompanied by insults are well on their way to costing us the services, and even the presence, of our chief Latinist, Avitus, who has dropped several hints that he would leave both the Academia Thules and even Nova Roma as a result of those remarks unless an apology is tendered.  That would be an irreparable loss to both the Academia Thules and Nova Roma, for world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those who are willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still.  Granted, both parties are not innocent, and Avitus is not blessed with an easy-going personality, but one should back away from this head-butting and acquire the maturity needed to arrive at a more appropriate solution.  Saturninus has done a great deal for Nova Roma and the Academia Thules; we will be fortunate if he has indeed reconsidered his departure from either the AT or NR, but his actions have disgraced both him and us; those in another forum may well cost us a citizen who has given us much of himself and his knowledge, and brought us some respect in quarters where it is sadly lacking.  Avitus' departure from either the AT or NR would be an irreplaceable loss, and one I at least would not care to witness.  Much as I hate to say this, Saturninus must abide by the same rules as the rest of humanity, and refrain from tantrums or other actions which would have gotten anyone else banned on the spot.  This is a terrible example for our new citizens and peregrini.  He owes all of us an apology for posting Senate business to the ML and for using gutter language confined to the lowest of the low in public, and should also apologize to Decanus Avitus for his remarks elsewhere.  That would demonstrate maturity, not the behavior of bimi.  Hesychia kalon.

Vale;

Caeso Buteo

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56937 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Caelio Ahenobarbo salutem dicit

I believe it was mentioned by the consul in the senate, for which you would have not knowledge.  My apologies, you where only defending the consul and that is meritorious. 

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:

Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano S.P.D.



>While I agree that the actions of Saturninus where wrong,
>the consul in
question did accept his apology and asked
>that the matter be dropped.

Ah. Unlike the original message, I saw no public acceptance thereof. I hope that everything has come to a place where people can work together to do the great things that Nova Roma could do.

Optime vale.


--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56938 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Salvete Omnes!

I am not sure that I think it is a good idea for anyone to sit on high horses and everytime someone makes a mistake "educate" us lowlifes.

By the way what goes on in the Academia Thules are internal matters that are not to be discussed here, especially as there are more than one side of the story and more than one person in Facultas Litterarum is difficult to deal with. As the Chairman of the Academia I serious ask You to stop discussing our internal matters on a list of Nova Roma, I am sure it will not improve any possibilties to solve the situation. 

*****************
17 jul 2008 kl. 07.05 skrev A. Tullia Scholastica:

A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano Cn. Caelio Ahenobarbo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Caelio Ahenobarbo salutem dicit

While I agree that the actions of Saturninus where wrong, the consul in question did accept his apology and asked that the matter be dropped.

    ATS:  I suspect that most of us would hope that such outbursts not occur here or anywhere, especially in public.  Once a word is uttered, it cannot be recalled, and any sensible person would have bitten his or her tongue before posting such inappropriate language in a forum populated by minors, to say nothing of educated women who do not care to see or hear that sort of trash.  I hope that the relevant authorities have imposed appropriate measures to guard against any further events of this sort.  One must control one’s temper, as our fellow-citizen Ahenobarbus has observed, for many are the consequences of such eruptions.  Unfortunately, a similar outburst elsewhere using similar vocabulary accompanied by insults are well on their way to costing us the services, and even the presence, of our chief Latinist, Avitus, who has dropped several hints that he would leave both the Academia Thules and even Nova Roma as a result of those remarks unless an apology is tendered.  That would be an irreparable loss to both the Academia Thules and Nova Roma, for world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those who are willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still.  Granted, both parties are not innocent, and Avitus is not blessed with an easy-going personality, but one should back away from this head-butting and acquire the maturity needed to arrive at a more appropriate solution.  Saturninus has done a great deal for Nova Roma and the Academia Thules; we will be fortunate if he has indeed reconsidered his departure from either the AT or NR, but his actions have disgraced both him and us; those in another forum may well cost us a citizen who has given us much of himself and his knowledge, and brought us some respect in quarters where it is sadly lacking.  Avitus’ departure from either the AT or NR would be an irreplacea ble loss, and one I at least would not care to witness.  Much as I hate to say this, Saturninus must abide by the same rules as the rest of humanity, and refrain from tantrums or other actions which would have gotten anyone else banned on the spot.  This is a terrible example for our new citizens and peregrini.  He owes all of us an apology for posting Senate business to the ML and for using gutter language confined to the lowest of the low in public, and should also apologize to Decanus Avitus for his remarks elsewhere.  That would demonstrate maturity, not the behavior of bimi.  Hesychia kalon.

Vale;

Caeso Buteo

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae 
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae 





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56939 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Latin Edit for Mac OSX
Salve,

While checking out the MacUpdate site I found this Latin program. It is for Mac OSX only and there is no Windows version. Here is the description from MU:

"LatinEdit is a Mac OSX program aimed at assisting transcription and translation of documents between Latin & English.
The program's main window allows you to transcribe from a graphics file, and provides twin text editing fields for side by side translations. There is an incorporated Latin-English / English-Latin dictionary and facility for footnotes, vocabulary, revision and declining and conjugating words.
The dictionary is based on Whitaker's WORDS, and uses the Mac engine provided by Sean Rodriguez. In order to use it properly you must have installed the Mac version of Latin Words."

MacUpdate:

Latin Edit site:

Vale,
Quintus Servilius Priscus
Curator SVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56940 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-17
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Re: [Nova-Roma] Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electronic Communications
A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit

I don't know who this Avitus fellow is,

    ATS:  He happens to be a well-known and highly regarded European Latinist who is also the chair of the faculty of letters at the AT.  You will find an article by him about his work at the AT in the academic journal Melissa, no. 142.  This journal is entirely written in Latin, and is not available online, but you may be able to find it somewhere.  


but he is NOT Nova Roma's "Chief Latinist" as far as I am aware (he may be our best Latinist, but there is a distinction between best and chief).

    ATS:  Inasmuch as I do not live in the court of Henry VIII or any place else in his time (thank heavens!), I do not share his hangups about exact titles.  Avitus is a highly respected Latinist, one of the best in the world.  He is our finest Latinist, and our chief one.  These designations are earned by one’s intelligence and education, both formal and informal, not by titles bestowed by, say, the NR Senate.  


 The senate made no such designation that I have a memory of.  

    ATS:  And there is no need for them to have done so.  For that matter, it would not have made a whit of difference to Avitus or to me if they had.  Probably his students wouldn’t care, either.  

Furthermore, while many citizens of Nova Roma are involved in or have classes through Academia Thules the Academia is not officially a part of Nova Roma.  Therefore, anyone's position within the Academia doesn't necessarily apply here in Nova Roma.  

    ATS:  It happens that a number of Roman citizens and others participate in the AT, and have studied with Avitus...and with me.  Prospective students are interested in whether or not Avitus will remain with the AT, what text he will use, etc., etc.  He is also a Roman citizen who once wanted to bring other Latinists here...but soured on that.

You laud yourself up as the cornerstone of maturity,

    ATS:  I don’t laud myself as anything but a reasonably good Latinist and classicist.  


however, I find your use of the this opportunity to further your own agenda (i.e., Avitus, Academia Thules politices, etc...) to be highly opportunistic.

    ATS:  While I am familiar with a number of vulgar expressions more suitable for responding to that sort of bizarre deduction, let me just say that that is baloney.  The bottom line is that the behavior of a member of the AT, behavior similar to that demonstrated here a few days ago, has offended someone who is a highly regarded Latinist, who has innumerable contacts in the classical world, who once wanted to bring at least some of these Latinists and other classicists into NR, now is on the point of leaving both the AT and NR.  I find that regrettable.  

    What politics are there at the Academia Thules?  We work there for free, using a nice bit of software called CMS moodle, and are rather independent, as befits matters in academia.  Any agenda I have is that the AT not lose an irreplaceable member to petty disputes when a simple apology might cure the problem.  I thought that you were interested in conflict resolution; the way to resolve this one is for a certain party to apologize, and to try to get along.  The link between these matters is the behavior of one person who should know much better than to use the vocabulary he did, or to behave as he did, both here on the ML and in the AT, to say nothing of in the Senate.   Avitus is not an angel, or totally innocent, but here at least he is the injured party.  

    You have never met me, and obviously don’t know me very well or you would not have projected such attitudes onto me...I wouldn’t know how to be opportunistic.  



Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus


Vale, et valete.  

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:05 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

 

A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano Cn. Caelio Ahenobarbo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Caelio Ahenobarbo salutem dicit

While I agree that the actions of Saturninus where wrong, the consul in question did accept his apology and asked that the matter be dropped.

    ATS:  I suspect that most of us would hope that such outbursts not occur here or anywhere, especially in public.  Once a word is uttered, it cannot be recalled, and any sensible person would have bitten his or her tongue before posting such inappropriate language in a forum populated by minors, to say nothing of educated women who do not care to see or hear that sort of trash.  I hope that the relevant authorities have imposed appropriate measures to guard against any further events of this sort.  One must control one's temper, as our fellow-citizen Ahenobarbus has observed, for many are the consequences of such eruptions.  Unfortunately, a similar outburst elsewhere using similar vocabulary accompanied by insults are well on their way to costing us the services, and even the presence, of our chief Latinist, Avitus, who has dropped several hints that he would leave both the Academia Thules and even Nova Roma as a result of those remarks unless an apology is tendered.  That would be an irreparable loss to both the Academia Thules and Nova Roma, for world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those who are willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still.  Granted, both parties are not innocent, and Avitus is not blessed with an easy-going personality, but one should back away from this head-butting and acquire the maturity needed to arrive at a more appropriate solution.  Saturninus has done a great deal for Nova Roma and the Academia Thules; we will be fortunate if he has indeed reconsidered his departure from either the AT or NR, but his actions have disgraced both him and us; those in another forum may well cost us a citizen who has given us much of himself and his knowledge, and brought us some respect in quarters where it is sadly lacking.  Avitus' departure from either the AT or NR would be an irreplaceable loss, and one I at least would not care to witness.  Much as I hate to say this, Saturninus must abide by the same rules as the rest of humanity, and refrain from tantrums or other actions which would have gotten anyone else banned on the spot.  This is a terrible example for our new citizens and peregrini.  He owes all of us an apology for posting Senate business to the ML and for using gutter language confined to the lowest of the low in public, and should also apologize to Decanus Avitus for his remarks elsewhere.  That would demonstrate maturity, not the behavior of bimi.  Hesychia kalon.

Vale;

Caeso Buteo

 
    

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56941 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Re: [Nova-Roma] Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electronic Communications
A. Tullia Scholastica Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salvete Omnes!

I am not sure that I think it is a good idea for anyone to sit on high horses and everytime someone makes a mistake "educate" us lowlifes.

    ATS:  No one is sitting on a high horse...  Sometimes mistakes are avoidable, as this one surely was.  No sensible person considers you a lowlife...far from it!

By the way what goes on in the Academia Thules are internal matters that are not to be discussed here, especially as there are more than one side of the story and more than one person in Facultas Litterarum is difficult to deal with.

    ATS:  Stories generally have more than one side, but head-butting is not the best way to resolve disputes.  Those of us in the Facultas Litterarum are well aware that more than one person is quite difficult to deal with, for a couple of the guys seem to have short fuses, and one is truly explosive.  


As the Chairman of the Academia I serious ask You to stop discussing our internal matters on a list of Nova Roma, I am sure it will not improve any possibilties to solve the situation.

    ATS:  As I noted earlier, some matters at the AT concern many more people than those within the AT itself.  Grading and such are strictly internal matters, but the presence or absence of a renowned scholar on the faculty is a matter of concern to many.   Prospective students are interested; some contact me and ask about these things.  Moreover, it may indeed be the case that airing this matter, linked to the behavior of one person in common, may bring some resolution.  It is surely in all of our best interests to retain Saturninus in NR and the Senate as well as at AT, but it is also important to keep Avitus, however difficult that may be.  

Vale, et valete.

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17 jul 2008 kl. 07.05 skrev A. Tullia Scholastica:

 
A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano Cn. Caelio Ahenobarbo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
  
 
 Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Caelio Ahenobarbo salutem dicit
 
 While I agree that the actions of Saturninus where wrong, the consul in question did accept his apology and asked that the matter be dropped.
 
     ATS:  I suspect that most of us would hope that such outbursts not occur here or anywhere, especially in public.  Once a word is uttered, it cannot be recalled, and any sensible person would have bitten his or her tongue before posting such inappropriate language in a forum populated by minors, to say nothing of educated women who do not care to see or hear that sort of trash.  I hope that the relevant authorities have imposed appropriate measures to guard against any further events of this sort.  One must control one’s temper, as our fellow-citizen Ahenobarbus has observed, for many are the consequences of such eruptions.  Unfortunately, a similar outburst elsewhere using similar vocabulary accompanied by insults are well on their way to costing us the services, and even the presence, of our chief Latinist, Avitus, who has dropped several hints that he would leave both the Academia Thules and even Nova Roma as a result of those remarks unless an apology is tendered.  That would be an irreparable loss to both the Academia Thules and Nova Roma, for world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those who are willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still.  Granted, both parties are not innocent, and Avitus is not blessed with an easy-going personality, but one should back away from this head-butting and acquire the maturity needed to arrive at a more appropriate solution.  Saturninus has done a great deal for Nova Roma and the Academia Thules; we will be fortunate if he has indeed reconsidered his departure from either the AT or NR, but his actions have disgraced both him and us; those in another forum may well cost us a citizen who has given us much of himself and his knowledge, and brought us some respect in quarters where it is sadly lacking.  Avitus’ departure from either the AT or NR would be an irreplacea ble loss, and one I at least would not care to witness.  Much as I hate to say this, Saturninus must abide by the same rules as the rest of humanity, and refrain from tantrums or other actions which would have gotten anyone else banned on the spot.  This is a terrible example for our new citizens and peregrini.  He owes all of us an apology for posting Senate business to the ML and for using gutter language confined to the lowest of the low in public, and should also apologize to Decanus Avitus for his remarks elsewhere.  That would demonstrate maturity, not the behavior of bimi.  Hesychia kalon.
 
 Vale;
 
 Caeso Buteo

 
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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae




 

 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56942 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Titus Flavius Aquila absentia

T. Flavius Aquila omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.

From  July 19th until July 26th I will be on vacation in Austria , with hardly any access to the internet and thus to email.

 

I will leave tribune work in the capable hands of my esteemed colleagues.

 

Optime valete

 

Titus Flavius Aquila

Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56943 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit

The comment below escaped me when you first wrote it, but upon looking over your posts again I noticed the comment below and find it very offensive.  If your beloved Avitus has a problem with "Non-Christian" Nova Roma then I do hope that he seriously evaluates his citizenship in Nova Roma and does so as soon as possible.  Those of us who are here because of the Religio Romana are here because of the Gods of Rome, and not to seek the blessings of academics, world-class Latinists, or the likes of "intelligent and mature" matrons as yourself -- at the cost of our own dignity as cultores.  ANYONE who has contempt for Nova Roma based on it being "an organization of distinctly non-Christian orientation" should take the opportunity to evaluate their citizenship in this distincly non-Christian organization.  While I have respect for Christianity, and most other religions, I must remind you that the promotion of the Religio Romana is the number one goal of the senate and every magistrate, including yourself, has taken an oath "to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings..."  You can show contempt for the Religio Romana in private, but within this forum you are reminded to uphold the honor of the Religio Romana and the Gods and Goddesses of Rome.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:05 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

That would be an irreparable loss to both the Academia Thules and Nova Roma, for world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those who are willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still. 



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56944 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Agricola Omnibus sal.

I want to agree with pontifex Modianus.

It is the official position that Nova Roma takes no interest in the
private life of our citizens. There are the occasional conflicts, but
no more than can be found in many aspects of life. Still, this is the
first time that I have been exposed to the idea that citizens might
"...even put up with, an organization of distinctly non-Christian
orientation..." The Cultus Deorum is our state cult, and it has been
so from the beginning. I find it shocking and offensive in the extreme
that anyone would suggest that it is something to be "put up with".
There are many other groups devoted to the study or Roman history,
Roman re-enactment or Latin, so I would have thought that "putting up"
with our non-Christian-ness would not have been necessary.

Additionally, I want to say that I count Senator Saturninus among my
friends and I number him among those of the hardest working, most
dedicated and farthest seeing class. Whatever outburst may have
sprouted from him withers away in the massive shadow of his many
contributions.

optime valete in cura deorum Romanorum

M. Lucretius Agricola

Senator Novae Romae




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit
>
> The comment below escaped me when you first wrote it, but upon
looking over
> your posts again I noticed the comment below and find it very
offensive. If
> your beloved Avitus has a problem with "Non-Christian" Nova Roma
then I do
> hope that he seriously evaluates his citizenship in Nova Roma and
does so as
> soon as possible. Those of us who are here because of the Religio
Romana
> are here because of the Gods of Rome, and not to seek the blessings of
> academics, world-class Latinists, or the likes of "intelligent and
mature"
> matrons as yourself -- at the cost of our own dignity as cultores.
ANYONE
> who has contempt for Nova Roma based on it being "an organization of
> distinctly non-Christian orientation" should take the opportunity to
> evaluate their citizenship in this distincly non-Christian organization.
> While I have respect for Christianity, and most other religions, I must
> remind you that the promotion of the Religio Romana is the number
one goal
> of the senate and every magistrate, including yourself, has taken an
oath
> "to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings..."
You can
> show contempt for the Religio Romana in private, but within this
forum you
> are reminded to uphold the honor of the Religio Romana and the Gods and
> Goddesses of Rome.
>
> Vale:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:05 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
> wrote:
>
> > That would be an irreparable loss to both the Academia Thules
and Nova
> > Roma, for world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those
who are
> > willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of
> > distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56945 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Salve Senatrix!

This is my last comments on this issue and I have only two things to say:

1. I need to comment on the folllowing as You have decided in your wisdom to publicly smear Senator Saturninus' internal behavior in the Facults Litterarum. No one should know any thing about such behavior if not someone has dissussed our internal affair with others than the members of that list. As we are only four, You, Saturninus, Avitus and me that informatio should never have left the Facultas. The leadership of the Academia want people to stay, study and give the Academai good credits, this public and unneeded smearing campaign will not help. 

2. You are presenting things as if it is Senator Saturninus who is the wrong doer here, while the truth is that Avitus has treated Senator Saturninus very badly for a long time.

I ask You to not comment on this because your comments and the comments that they have provoked already might have made the work of the only possible mediator, me, impossible. I will never accept that You continue to use the late resignment threat from Senator Saturninus to expose the internal affairs of the Academia to everyone on this list! Stop it!

Allow me to deal with this as I need and wish, your comments are not helpful. Please show some restrain and avoid publicly commenting on anything that concerns the Academia. If You wish to comment on any behavior of others on THIS list then it is for you to decide, but keep the Academia internal affair out of this! 

This is my last comments here about this issue.

Further You are now out on deep water, your comments on Religio Romana has already insulted may citizens, please don't continue on that road.

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18 jul 2008 kl. 06.07 skrev A. Tullia Scholastica:

A. Tullia Scholastica Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salvete Omnes!

I am not sure that I think it is a good idea for anyone to sit on high horses and everytime someone makes a mistake "educate" us lowlifes.

    ATS:  No one is sitting on a high horse...  Sometimes mistakes are avoidable, as this one surely was.  No sensible person considers you a lowlife...far from it!

By the way what goes on in the Academia Thules are internal matters that are not to be discussed here, especially as there are more than one side of the story and more than one person in Facultas Litterarum is difficult to deal with.

    ATS:  Stories generally have more than one side, but head-butting is not the best way to resolve disputes.  Those of us in the Facultas Litterarum are well aware that more than one person is quite difficult to deal with, for a couple of the guys seem to have short fuses, and one is truly explosive.  


As the Chairman of the Academia I serious ask You to stop discussing our internal matters on a list of Nova Roma, I am sure it will not improve any possibilties to solve the situation.

    ATS:  As I noted earlier, some matters at the AT concern many more people than those within the AT itself.  Grading and such are strictly internal matters, but the presence or absence of a renowned scholar on the faculty is a matter of concern to many.   Prospective students are interested; some contact me and ask about these things.  Moreover, it may indeed be the case that airing this matter, linked to the behavior of one person in common, may bring some resolution.  It is surely in all of our best interests to retain Saturninus in NR and the Senate as well as at AT, but it is also important to keep Avitus, however difficult that may be.  

Vale, et valete.

*****************
17 jul 2008 kl. 07.05 skrev A. Tullia Scholastica:

 
A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano Cn. Caelio Ahenobarbo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
  
 
 Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Gnaeo Caelio Ahenobarbo salutem dicit
 
 While I agree that the actions of Saturninus where wrong, the consul in question did accept his apology and asked that the matter be dropped.
 
     ATS:  I suspect that most of us would hope that such outbursts not occur here or anywhere, especially in public.  Once a word is uttered, it cannot be recalled, and any sensible person would have bitten his or her tongue before posting such inappropriate language in a forum populated by minors, to say nothing of educated women who do not care to see or hear that sort of trash.  I hope that the relevant authorities have imposed appropriate measures to guard against any further events of this sort.  One must control one’s temper, as our fellow-citizen Ahenobarbus has observed, for many are the consequences of such eruptions.  Unfortunately, a similar outburst elsewhere using similar vocabulary accompanied by insults are well on their way to costing us the services, and even the presence, of our chief Latinist, Avitus, who has dropped several hints that he would leave both the Academia Thules and even Nova Roma as a result of those remarks unless an apology is tendered.  That would be an irreparable loss to both the Academia Thules and Nova Roma, for world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those who are willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still.  Granted, both parties are not innocent, and Avitus is not blessed with an easy-going personality, but one should back away from this head-butting and acquire the maturity needed to arrive at a more appropriate solution.  Saturninus has done a great deal for Nova Roma and the Academia Thules; we will be fortunate if he has indeed reconsidered his departure from either the AT or NR, but his actions have disgraced both him and us; those in another forum may well cost us a citizen who has given us much of himself and his knowledge, and brought us some respect in quarters where it is sadly lacking.  Avitus’ departure from either the AT or NR would be an irre placea ble loss, and one I at least would not care to witness.  Much as I hate to say this, Saturninus must abide by the same rules as the rest of humanity, and refrain from tantrums or other actions which would have gotten anyone else banned on the spot.  This is a terrible example for our new citizens and peregrini.  He owes all of us an apology for posting Senate business to the ML and for using gutter language confined to the lowest of the low in public, and should also apologize to Decanus Avitus for his remarks elsewhere.  That would demonstrate maturity, not the behavior of bimi.  Hesychia kalon.
 
 Vale;
 
 Caeso Buteo

 
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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae




 

 
      
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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae 
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae 





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56946 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: a. d. XV Kalendas Sextilias: dies Alliensis
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos inculumes custodian.

Hodie est ante diem XV Kalendas Sextilias; haec dies comitialis
Merkatus atque dies Alliensis est:

"The 18th of July was marked by a double disaster, for on that day
the Fabii were annihilated at the Cremera, and in later years the
battle at the Alia that brought ruin to the City was lost on the same
day. From the latter disaster the day was called 'the day of the
Alia,' and was observed by a religious abstinence from all public and
private business." ~ Titus Livius 6.1.11


AUC 276 / 477 BCE: Annihilation of 306 Fabii on the River Cremera:

"The conflicts between the Fabii and the State of Veii were resumed
without any more extensive military preparations than before. There
were not only forays into each other's territories and surprise
attacks upon the forayers, but sometimes they fought regular
engagements, and this single Roman house often won the victory over
what was at that time the most powerful city in Etruria. This was a
bitter mortification to the Veientines, and they were led by
circumstances to adopt the plan of trapping their daring enemy in an
ambuscade; they were even glad that the numerous successes of the
Fabii had increased their confidence. Accordingly they drove herds of
cattle, as if by accident, in the way of the foraying parties, the
fields were abandoned by the peasants, and the bodies of troops sent
to repel the raiders fled in a panic more often assumed than genuine.
By this time the Fabii had conceived such contempt for their foe as
to be convinced that under no circumstances of either time or place
could their invincible arms be resisted. This presumption carried
them so far that at the sight of some distant cattle on the other
side of the wide plain stretching from the camp they ran down to
secure them, although but few of the enemy were visible. Suspecting
no danger and keeping no order they passed the ambuscade that was set
on each side of the road, and whilst they were scattered in trying to
catch the cattle, which in their fright were rushing wildly about,
the enemy suddenly rose from their concealment and attacked them on
all sides. At first they were startled by the shouts round them, then
javelins fell on them from every direction. As the Etruscans closed
round them, they were hemmed by a continuous ring of men, and the
more the enemy pressed upon them, the less the space in which they
were forced to form their ever-narrowing square. This brought out
strongly the contrast between their scanty numbers and the host of
Etruscans, whose ranks were multiplied through being narrowed. After
a time they abandoned their plan of presenting a front on all sides;
facing in one direction they formed themselves into a wedge and by
the utmost exertion of sword and muscle forced a passage through. The
road led up to gentle eminence, and here they halted. When the higher
ground gave them room to breathe freely and to recover from the
feeling of despair, they repelled those who mounted to the attack,
and through the advantage of position the little band were beginning
to win the day, when some Veientines who had been sent round the hill
emerged on the summit. So the enemy again had the advantage. The
Fabii were all cut down to a man, and their fort taken. It is
generally agreed that three hundred and six men perished, and that
one only, an immature youth, was left as a stock for the Fabian house
to be Rome's greatest helper in her hour of danger both at home and
in the field." ~ Titus Livius 2.50

For another view of the battle:

"When the others refused their offer and chose the death befitting
men of noble birth, the Tyrrhenians renewed the struggle, attacking
them in relays, though no longer fighting at close quarters in hand-
to-hand combat, but standing in a body and hurling javelins and
stones at them from a distance; and the multitude of missiles was
like a snow-storm. The Romans, massing by companies, rushed upon
their foes, who did not stand their ground, and though they received
many wounds from those surrounding them, they stood firm. But when
the swords of many had become useless, some having their edges
blunted and others being broken, and the borders of their shields
next the rims were hacked in pieces, and the men themselves were for
the most part bled white and overwhelmed by missiles and their limbs
paralyzed by reason of the multitude of their wounds, the Tyrrhenians
scorned them and came to close quarters. Then the Romans, rushing at
them like wild beasts, seized their spears and broke them, grasped
their swords by the edges and wrenched them out of their hands, and
twisting the bodies of their antagonists, fell with them to the
ground, locked in close embrace, fighting with greater rage than
strength. Hence the enemy, astonished at their endurance and
terrified at the madness that had seized them in their despair of
life, no longer ventured to come to grips with them, but retiring
again, stood in a body and hurled at them sticks, stones, and
anything else they could lay their hands on, and at last buried them
under the multitude of missiles. After destroying these men they ran
to the fortress, carrying with them the heads of the most prominent,
expecting to take the men there prisoners at their first onset." -
Dionysius of Halicarnassus 9.21


AUC 363 / 390 BCE: An army of Gauls defeated the Romans on the River
Allia.

"The consular tribunes had secured no position for their camp, had
constructed no entrenchments behind which to retire, and had shown as
much disregard of the Gods as of the enemy, for they formed their
order of battle without having obtained favorable auspices. They
extended their line on either wing to prevent their being outflanked,
but even so they could not make their front equal to the enemy's,
whilst by thus thinning their line they weakened the centre so that
it could hardly keep in touch. On their right was a small eminence
which they decided to hold with reserves, and this disposition,
though it was the beginning of the panic and flight, proved to be the
only means of safety to the fugitives. For Brennus, the Gallic
chieftain, fearing some ruse in the scanty numbers of the enemy, and
thinking that the rising ground was occupied in order that the
reserves might attack the flank and rear of the Gauls while their
front was engaged with the legions, directed his attack upon the
reserves, feeling quite certain that if he drove them from their
position, his overwhelming numbers would give him an easy victory on
the level ground. So not only Fortune but tactics also were on the
side of the barbarians. In the other army there was nothing to remind
one of Romans either amongst the generals or the private soldiers.
They were terrified, and all they thought about was flight, and so
utterly had they lost their heads that a far greater number fled to
Veii, a hostile city, though the Tiber lay in their way, than by the
direct road to Rome, to their wives and children. For a short time
the reserves were protected by their position. In the rest of the
army, no sooner was the battle-shout heard on their flank by those
nearest to the reserves, and then by those at the other end of the
line heard in their rear, than they fled, whole and unhurt, almost
before they had seen their untried foe, without any attempt to fight
or even to give back the battle-shout. None were slain while actually
fighting; they were cut down from behind whilst hindering one
another's flight in a confused, struggling mass. Along the bank of
the Tiber, whither the whole of the left wing had fled, after
throwing away their arms, there was great slaughter. Many who were
unable to swim or were hampered by the weight of their cuirasses and
other armour were sucked down by the current. The greater number,
however, reached Veii in safety. Yet not only were no troops sent
from there to defend the City, but not even was a messenger
dispatched to report the defeat to Rome. All the men on the right
wing, which had been stationed some distance from the river, and
nearer to the foot of the hill, made for Rome and took refuge in the
Citadel without even closing the City gates." ~ Titus Livius 5.38

AUC 817 / 64 CE: The Great Fire of the reign of Nero began in Rome.

"A disaster followed, whether accidental or treacherously contrived
by the emperor, is uncertain, as authors have given both accounts,
worse, however, and more dreadful than any which have ever happened
to this City by the violence of fire. It had its beginning in that
part of the circus which adjoins the Palatine and Cælian hills,
where, amid the shops containing inflammable wares, the conflagration
both broke out and instantly became so fierce and so rapid from the
wind that it seized in its grasp the entire length of the circus. For
here there were no houses fenced in by solid masonry, or temples
surrounded by walls, or any other obstacle to interpose delay. The
blaze in its fury ran first through the level portions of the City,
then rising to the hills, while it again devastated every place below
them, it outstripped all preventive measures; so rapid was the
mischief and so completely at its mercy the City, with those narrow
winding passages and irregular streets, which characterized old Rome.
Added to this were the wailings of terror-stricken women, the
feebleness of age, the helpless inexperience of childhood, the crowds
who sought to save themselves or others, dragging out the infirm or
waiting for them, and by their hurry in the one case, by their delay
in the other, aggravating the confusion. Often, while they looked
behind them, they were intercepted by flames on their side or in
their face. Or if they reached a refuge close at hand, when this too
was seized by the fire, they found that, even places, which they had
imagined to be remote, were involved in the same calamity. At last,
doubting what they should avoid or whither betake themselves, they
crowded the streets or flung themselves down in the fields, while
some who had lost their all, even their very daily bread, and others
out of love for their kinsfolk, whom they had been unable to rescue,
perished, though escape was open to them. And no one dared to stop
the mischief, because of incessant menaces from a number of persons
who forbade the extinguishing of the flames, because again others
openly hurled brands, and kept shouting that there was one who gave
them authority, either seeking to plunder more freely, or obeying
orders." ~ P. Cornelius Tacitus, Annales 15.38


AUC 822 / 69 CE: Vitellius received the titles of Augustus and
pontifex maximus.


Our thought of the day comes from the Golden Sentences of Democritus
4 8:

"He is a blessed man who has both property and intellect, for he will
use them well in such things as are proper."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56947 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: The Consul's Personal Opinion
M. Moravius Piscinus Quiritibus, viatores, et omnes salutem plurimam
dicit: Ego vos iubeo bono animo esse

First, with concern to the religious differences in Nova Roma, I
recognize that they exist. It does not help our community by
dwelling on such differences. Rather, I think we should celebrate
our differences, learn from one another. I have never been a
Christian nor a Jew, but I have read the words of rabbi Jesus,
Jeshuoah ben Pandera. It doesn't seem to have harmed my
understanding of my family tradition any. And when researching on
the religio Romana or ancient philosophy, I recognize, if some
televangelists do not, just how much modern Christianity owes to
its "pagan" roots. We can all learn from one another. For
truly, "no single path leads to so sublime a mystery."

Nova Roma, it is true, was originally founded as an organization to
promote the religio Romana. However, at the same time, Nova Roma was
open to everyone who shares an interest in Roma antiqua, irregardless
of his or her religious beliefs. Nova Roma is not, and never has
been, a "pagan" organization. We need to adopt a policy, both as a
community and as individuals, never to tolerate religious
intolerance. Intolerance and bigotry are found in ignorance. We are
not a community of ignorant people.

I have always found a certain affinity with others who are
spiritually inclined. We may follow different paths, but we all seem
to come upon the same home. Of course I am not referring to those
who merely proclaim to follow a religion, but those who, having
followed a particular path, have arrived into a certain spiritual
understanding. Compare the words of Jesus who speaks about the
Kingdom of his Father to the words of Plotinus who advised us
to "flee to the Fatherland." If someone truly believes in a deity,
any deity and any amount of deities, and is able to break the veil
that separates us from the divine, then it is truly a humbling
experience, as exemplified by the lives of both Jesus the Nazarene
and Plotinus the Platonist, and also by the Pythagorean Apollonius of
Tyana. Each in their own way found their own truth and sought to
teach it to those who would listen. Therefore, to my mind, to insult
any one person's religion is really to insult your own, for you
attack the very truth that lays as the basis of all religions and at
the foundation of the greater Universe.



Secondly, then, in regard to the comments made by Senator Saturninus
about myself. I did not think much of it, I have certainly heard
worse directed towards me in the past. Senator Saturninus apologized
in the Senate for his comments and I fully accepted his apology.



Thirdly, I have never commented, as I did not think I needed to, but
I shall make it clear that I did not and do not accept the
resignation of Senator Saturninus as chairperson of the Senate
Committee on Budget and Finance. For everyone's benefit, I think you
should read once more what Senator Agricola had to say about Senator
Saturninus:

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola"
<marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> Additionally, I want to say that I count Senator Saturninus among my
> friends and I number him among those of the hardest working, most
> dedicated and farthest seeing class. Whatever outburst may have
> sprouted from him withers away in the massive shadow of his many
> contributions.
>

Senator Saturninus was invited into the Cohors Consulares
specifically for his diligent work on such issues as the Budget. He
and I do not agree with what should be done with the Budget 2009. For
both reasons I want Senator Saturninus to lead the committee that
will review my budget proposal. I know that he will examine it in
his usual diligent manner, very closely and with an understanding
that others in the Senate may not have. Also, this shall be the
Buget of the Senate, not my budget, not the budget of Senator
Saturninus or of any one person. The fact that we disagree on
certain issues and thus will be forced to work out our differences on
the Budget 2009 is a good thing for Nova Roma. When the time comes,
we can enter the Senate together and say, "this is the best plan that
we have worked out together."

Consul Sabinus and I formed a joint cohors. We did not invite
toadies and lackies. We invited some of the most independent minded
people in Nova Roma, experienced people to lend us their advice. I
regard Senator Saturninus as a very important member of the
administrative team, and a hard working one at that.

There is absolutely no need to dwell on the matter between us.
Except for his momentary outburst, nothing truly interfers with our
working together (other than a technical problem for which we have
now provided).



Fourthly, his comments in the Senate do not matter. There, in the
Senate, there is a different standard, where Senators are free to
speak their mind, in spite of there being Senatrices present. I have
to agree with some commenst made here that Senator Saturninus' choice
of language is inappropriate for this, our Nova Roma main list, and
thus I have advised him to make a formal apology to the list members.



Lastly, the Academia Thules is not a part of Nova Roma. It is a
separate and independent organization. Some of our Citizens are
deeply involved in the internal affairs of the AT. The same is true
with some of our members and Ancient Worlds, and with the Roman Way,
and with SVR. I have never seen Julilla publicly discuss Ancient
Worlds' affairs in Nova Roma, and I think it would be inappropriate
if she did. I subscribe to Ancient Worlds, and of course I have been
more than a little involved in SVR. I am also a long time member of
the ACLU, NOW, the Sons of Italy, and a history fraternity whose
Greek letters I can never recall, Phi Theta Alpha or something like
that. Except for the toga parties and the lascivious amenities of a
pig roast, I had little interest in attending its affairs. Nova Roma
is not a forum to discuss the affairs or concerns of any of these
organizations. I do not think that we, Nova Roma, would appreciate
it if our internal affairs of the Senate were being discussed openly
on the boards at SVR. Therefore discussion of the AT's internal
affairs DO NOT belong on our lists.



When handing down judgements, the Emperor Severus Alexander often use
to say: "Quod tibi fieri non vis, alteri nefeceris." "Do not do unto
others what you do not wish any to do to you." Those words apply
whether it concerns how you wish to be addressed in this forum, how
you wish your own religious tradition to be treated here, how you
wish Nova Roma to be discussed here or elsewhere.

YOU, each and every one of the subscribers to this list, create what
Nova Roma shall be. Every day, with each new member joining, Nova
Roma is again refounded. Envision the Nova Roma that you wish to see
and then be that Citizen who upholds the principles by which your
Nova Roma abides. Together we shall then build a better future.


Evenit facile quod Dis cordi esset.

"It was an easy thing to accomplish, being what the Gods desired." ~
Livy 1.39.4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56948 From: Maior Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Salvet Quirites;
I feel the need to repost this bit of information on the Main List
separately,
it was with real surprise that I read these shocking words
written by A. Tullia Scholastica:

" world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those who are
willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of
distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still."

I can tell the Quirites that A. Garseius Avitus is a devout atheist
and loathes Christianity; I know because we've discussed it. So who
is speaking here: it is A. Tullia Scholastica.

I too find Scholastica's words offensive. Nova Roma is one of the
few pagan organizations that permits non-pagans to join. If you find
Nova Roma's devotion to the gods something to be 'put up with'

As M. Lucretius Agricola points out below there are many
reenactment and latin groups that I'm sure you would find more
congenial to your tastes & beliefs.

bene valete in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior
sacerdos Mentis
Read about Dea Mens:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Mens
Read about the Gods:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Roman_Gods


I find it shocking and offensive in the extreme
> that anyone would suggest that it is something to be "put up with".
> There are many other groups devoted to the study or Roman history,
> Roman re-enactment or Latin, so I would have thought that "putting
up"
> with our non-Christian-ness would not have been necessary.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56949 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-18
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Re: [Nova-Roma] Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electronic Communications
A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit

The comment below escaped me when you first wrote it, but upon looking over your posts again I noticed the comment below and find it very offensive.  If your beloved Avitus has a problem with "Non-Christian" Nova Roma then I do hope that he seriously evaluates his citizenship in Nova Roma and does so as soon as possible.  

    ATS:  Avitus is my colleague, whom I respect for his knowledge.  He is not my belovèd.  As your belovèd assistant, protegée, and presumed amanuensis Hortensia notes in a later post, Avitus is a long remove from Christian.  He has no interest in religion, period.  


Those of us who are here because of the Religio Romana are here because of the Gods of Rome, and not to seek the blessings of academics, world-class Latinists, or the likes of "intelligent and mature" matrons as yourself -- at the cost of our own dignity as cultores.  ANYONE who has contempt for Nova Roma based on it being "an organization of distinctly non-Christian orientation" should take the opportunity to evaluate their citizenship in this distincly non-Christian organization.  

    ATS:  You seem to be suffering from the delusion that I was referring to NR citizens.  I was referring to others outside of NR who happen to be in the more exalted ranks of the world’s Latinists.  NR is seen by some (and not only classicists or Latinists) as a joke of sorts, and not necessarily because of the Religio Romana.   

While I have respect for Christianity, and most other religions, I must remind you that the promotion of the Religio Romana is the number one goal of the senate and every magistrate, including yourself, has taken an oath "to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings..."  You can show contempt for the Religio Romana in private, but within this forum you are reminded to uphold the honor of the Religio Romana and the Gods and Goddesses of Rome.

    ATS:  I am not showing any contempt for the Religio, nor do I have any.  For that matter, since when has reporting the opinions of others become grounds for such charges?  Please read this carefully; I said that several of the upper crust of Latinists are RC, and some are priests.  I said that they would be unlikely to be attracted to NR in part because NR focuses on the RR.  Is it surprising that Catholic priests do not worship Jupiter?  I hardly think so.  Is it surprising that they might not care to be affiliated with an organization founded for similar purposes?  Ditto.  As an atheist, Avitus is more tolerant in these respects, so long as he is not forced to observe any religion or its teachings, rituals, etc.    NR would do well to keep him around.  

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

Vale, et valete.  


On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:05 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica > wrote:

 

That would be an irreparable loss to both the Academia Thules and Nova Roma, for world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those who are willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still.  

    

 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56950 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electronic Communic
A. Tullia Scholastica M. Lucretio Agricolae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Agricola Omnibus sal.

I want to agree with pontifex Modianus.

It is the official position that Nova Roma takes no interest in the
private life of our citizens. There are the occasional conflicts, but
no more than can be found in many aspects of life. Still, this is the
first time that I have been exposed to the idea that citizens might
"...even put up with, an organization of distinctly non-Christian
orientation..."

    ATS:  Apparently you, too, read this out of context.  Many of the better Latinists are observant Christians, and have no interest in the Religio Romana above and beyond an academic one.  They are not interested in becoming citizens of NR.  They want nothing to do with this, and nothing to do with us.  Some even think that reenactors permanently live their private lives in the time periods they represent at reenactment events, without modern medicine, without electricity, without cars...we try to convince them otherwise, though given the price of gas, maybe Amish buggies are a better solution for transportation issues.  

    As noted in my earlier post, I was reporting the views of others.  


The Cultus Deorum is our state cult, and it has been
so from the beginning. I find it shocking and offensive in the extreme
that anyone would suggest that it is something to be "put up with".
There are many other groups devoted to the study or Roman history,
Roman re-enactment or Latin, so I would have thought that "putting up"
with our non-Christian-ness would not have been necessary.

Additionally, I want to say that I count Senator Saturninus among my
friends and I number him among those of the hardest working, most
dedicated and farthest seeing class. Whatever outburst may have
sprouted from him withers away in the massive shadow of his many
contributions.

    ATS:  Saturninus has indeed contributed a great deal to Nova Roma and the Academia Thules, and there is no reason to remove him as finance committee chair or anything else.  Perhaps a little differential diagnosis might have avoided this entire matter, however.  

optime valete in cura deorum Romanorum

M. Lucretius Agricola

Senator Novae Romae


Vale, et valete.  

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit
>
> The comment below escaped me when you first wrote it, but upon
looking over
> your posts again I noticed the comment below and find it very
offensive.  If
> your beloved Avitus has a problem with "Non-Christian" Nova Roma
then I do
> hope that he seriously evaluates his citizenship in Nova Roma and
does so as
> soon as possible.  Those of us who are here because of the Religio
Romana
> are here because of the Gods of Rome, and not to seek the blessings of
> academics, world-class Latinists, or the likes of "intelligent and
mature"
> matrons as yourself -- at the cost of our own dignity as cultores.
ANYONE
> who has contempt for Nova Roma based on it being "an organization of
> distinctly non-Christian orientation" should take the opportunity to
> evaluate their citizenship in this distincly non-Christian organization.
> While I have respect for Christianity, and most other religions, I must
> remind you that the promotion of the Religio Romana is the number
one goal
> of the senate and every magistrate, including yourself, has taken an
oath
> "to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings..."
You can
> show contempt for the Religio Romana in private, but within this
forum you
> are reminded to uphold the honor of the Religio Romana and the Gods and
> Goddesses of Rome.
>
> Vale:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:05 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
> wrote:
>
> >    That would be an irreparable loss to both the Academia Thules
and Nova
> > Roma, for world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those
who are
> > willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of
> > distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56951 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electronic Communic
A. Tullia Scholastica M. Lucretio Agricolae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Agricola Omnibus sal.

I want to agree with pontifex Modianus.

It is the official position that Nova Roma takes no interest in the
private life of our citizens. There are the occasional conflicts, but
no more than can be found in many aspects of life. Still, this is the
first time that I have been exposed to the idea that citizens might
"...even put up with, an organization of distinctly non-Christian
orientation..."

    ATS:  Apparently you, too, read this out of context.  Many of the better Latinists are observant Christians, and have no interest in the Religio Romana above and beyond an academic one.  They are not interested in becoming citizens of NR.  They want nothing to do with this, and nothing to do with us.  Some even think that reenactors permanently live their private lives in the time periods they represent at reenactment events, without modern medicine, without electricity, without cars...we try to convince them otherwise, though given the price of gas, maybe Amish buggies are a better solution for transportation issues.  

    As noted in my earlier post, I was reporting the views of others.  


The Cultus Deorum is our state cult, and it has been
so from the beginning. I find it shocking and offensive in the extreme
that anyone would suggest that it is something to be "put up with".
There are many other groups devoted to the study or Roman history,
Roman re-enactment or Latin, so I would have thought that "putting up"
with our non-Christian-ness would not have been necessary.

Additionally, I want to say that I count Senator Saturninus among my
friends and I number him among those of the hardest working, most
dedicated and farthest seeing class. Whatever outburst may have
sprouted from him withers away in the massive shadow of his many
contributions.

    ATS:  Saturninus has indeed contributed a great deal to Nova Roma and the Academia Thules, and there is no reason to remove him as finance committee chair or anything else.  Perhaps a little differential diagnosis might have avoided this entire matter, however.  

optime valete in cura deorum Romanorum

M. Lucretius Agricola

Senator Novae Romae


Vale, et valete.  

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit
>
> The comment below escaped me when you first wrote it, but upon
looking over
> your posts again I noticed the comment below and find it very
offensive.  If
> your beloved Avitus has a problem with "Non-Christian" Nova Roma
then I do
> hope that he seriously evaluates his citizenship in Nova Roma and
does so as
> soon as possible.  Those of us who are here because of the Religio
Romana
> are here because of the Gods of Rome, and not to seek the blessings of
> academics, world-class Latinists, or the likes of "intelligent and
mature"
> matrons as yourself -- at the cost of our own dignity as cultores.
ANYONE
> who has contempt for Nova Roma based on it being "an organization of
> distinctly non-Christian orientation" should take the opportunity to
> evaluate their citizenship in this distincly non-Christian organization.
> While I have respect for Christianity, and most other religions, I must
> remind you that the promotion of the Religio Romana is the number
one goal
> of the senate and every magistrate, including yourself, has taken an
oath
> "to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings..."
You can
> show contempt for the Religio Romana in private, but within this
forum you
> are reminded to uphold the honor of the Religio Romana and the Gods and
> Goddesses of Rome.
>
> Vale:
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:05 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
> wrote:
>
> >    That would be an irreparable loss to both the Academia Thules
and Nova
> > Roma, for world-class Latinists do not grow on trees, and those
who are
> > willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of
> > distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

 
      
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56952 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
G. Petronius Dexter Hortensiae Maiori SPD,


> I too find Scholastica's words offensive. Nova Roma is one of the
> few pagan organizations that permits non-pagans to join. If you
find
> Nova Roma's devotion to the gods something to be 'put up with'

My native language is French and of course I do not understand all
the subtilities of this new War of Religions (In France during the
centuries XVI and XVII we knew the war between Catholics with the
Kings and the Protestants with several Princes and the horrific St
Barthelemy day, August 24th 1572!) but is not usual to the Ancient
Romans. Because we are polytheists we can believe in all gods and
respect all the religions...

But as supra I said my language native is not English and I have to
confess that I do not understand this "put up with" met with harsh
reception.

Cura ut valeas.

G. Petronius Dexter.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56953 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma honours the gods above all     We are a Pagan Org!
A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salvet Quirites;
 I feel the need to repost this bit of information on the Main List
separately,
 it was with real surprise that I read these shocking words
written by A. Tullia Scholastica:
 
"  world-class Latinists do not grow on trees,

    ATS:  Now there’s a REAL shocker.  

and those who are
willing to participate in, or even put up with, an organization of
distinctly non-Christian orientation are rarer still."

    ATS:  Like the others who have misread this, you are confusing apples and oranges:  this refers to outside non-citizens, and to those who happen to be Christians.  Many Latinists are observant Christians, and a good many are Roman Catholic.  Several are priests.  It is hardly surprising that such persons would think twice or thrice before becoming affiliated with NR.   Those who might be willing to become citizens *are* rare, like it or not.  We have citizens who think that accepting citizenship in NR will remove their citizenship in their macronation; we have had prospective citizens who have asked for passports and visas.  If someone thinks that he or she might be compelled to be (so to speak) baptized as a cultor, that is a valid issue.  So, too, is the prospect of having to witness the blood sacrifices Scaurus offered, something you as a vegetarian and others who favor that diet might not appreciate irrespective of religious belief.  

    Do you perhaps think that nine of every ten people you would meet at the local mall are world-class Latinists?  They do not grow on trees, and (for the umpteenth time) many happen to be more or less Christian.  They might well  find the practice of any form of polytheism, even modern Hinduism, difficult to swallow.  Try looking at things from the other person’s perspective now and again.   

I can tell the Quirites that A. Garseius Avitus is a devout atheist

    ATS:  I don’t know how one can be a devout atheist, for that is an oxymoron.  However, Avitus is an avowed atheist, and has no love for any form of religion.  Why are you confusing Avitus with other Latinists?  


and loathes Christianity; I know because we've discussed it. So who
is speaking here: it is A. Tullia Scholastica.

    ATS:  Who knows other Latinists, and something about still more of them.  

I too find Scholastica's words offensive.

    ATS:  That is hardly surprising.  You seem to find everything about me offensive.  You also seem to find the beliefs of several of your fellow citizens offensive.  Consul Piscinus, a man very learned in the Religio Romana, has posted a fine message deploring intolerance; perhaps you should lay aside your anger, read it slowly and carefully, and take it to heart.  Rege animum.  


 Nova Roma is one of the
few pagan organizations that permits non-pagans to join. If you find
Nova Roma's devotion to the gods something to be 'put up with'

    ATS:  For the umpteenth time, Hortensia, this refers to outside Latinists (et al.) who might be willing to join NR.  Other people have other perspectives, other people have other beliefs.  You might not like them, but here in an open society, you should at least respect and tolerate them.  The Romans did.  

As M. Lucretius Agricola points out below there are many
reenactment and  latin groups that I'm sure you would find more
congenial to your tastes & beliefs.

    ATS:  I find NR reasonably congenial, thank you very much, as Avitus might say.  I realize that you would be delighted if I and every other non-cultor left NR, but you might find that it would be less than a shadow of its former self.  I seem to recall that another group altogether was working toward that aim...and a mailing list we discovered...
 
 bene valete in pacem deorum
 M. Hortensia Maior
 sacerdos Mentis
 Read about Dea Mens:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Mens
 Read about the Gods:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Roman_Gods

Valete.
 
      

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56954 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
if NR would have been founded as a rligious orgnisation, we should not have all this problems
the Cultus Deorum as "stte religion" leads to some ambiguity
 
Varro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56955 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: a. d. XIV Kalendas Sextilias: Lucaria, Adonia, Congiarium Caesaris
M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Dei vos annuant oro.

Hodie est ante diem XIV Kalendas Sextilias; haec dies nefastus
piaculum est: Lucaria.

Lucaria

Along the Via Salaria, according to Festus, running northeast from
Rome, from the roadside down to the banks of the Tiber River, there
was once a magnificent and very large wood. According to one legend,
after the Battle of the Allia, the battlefield barely ten miles up
the Via Salaria, the People of Rome hid themselves from the Gauls in
these words. The legend grew up centuries after the battle to
explain the festival held in this wood, a festival that predated the
disaster in 390 BCE by centuries.

The name of the festival is derived from lucar. A lucar refers to a
deep forest. It is not a pasture in a forest clearing, such as a
nemus. At Aricia there was a famous sanctuary for Diana
Nemorensis, "Diana who lives in the forest meadow." Nor was a lucar
a locus. A locus refers to the beam of light that breaks through the
forest canopy into a small clearing. By contrast, a lucar dark,
heavy, cool, and silent except for voices of the forest. In such
places dwelt the silvani and the fauni. There were of course myths
and legends about such creatures. Not human, not divi, or semidivi,
sons of Faunus and Fauna. Or perhaps the silvani and the fauni were a
class of priests who served the forest deities. Varro said that they
were "of both sexes, so that there are both Faunus and Fauna; the
story has come down, in the so-called Saturninine verse, that they
were accustomed when in well-wooded places to speak those events that
were to come, from which speaking they were called Fauni. (Varro, L.
L. 7.36)." Livy records from the ancient Annales an event that
occurred during the war to restore the Tarquins: a cavalry engagement
saw the first Consul of the Republic, Junius Brutus, and Arruns
Tarquins, son of Tarquinius Superbus, each die at the head of their
respective armies. The battle seemed a draw until "a great voice
issued from the Arsian Forest, believed to be that of the God
Silvanus, saying that since one more Etruscan than Roman had fallen
in the fight, Rome had prevailed (Livy 2.7)." Similar stories are
found in Livy of such forest spirits, or of the priests who served
them, calling from deep within the forests of ancient Italy.

The forest beside the Via Salaria was adjacent to the Campus Martius.
The Campus was once known as the ager Tarquiniorum until the
expulsion of the kings. "The land of the Tarquins, which lay between
the City and the Tiber, was henceforth sacred to Mars and known as
the Campus Martius (Livy 2.5)." The consecration of the campus to
Mars was said to go back even further, but that the Tarquins had
appropriated the land for themselves (Dionysius of Halicarnassus
5.13). Plutarch mentions how, when the Tarquins were expelled, and
the land was consecrated once more to Mars, the king's wheat lay cut
but the sheaves not taken up.

They therefore with one accord carried the sheaves to the river and
cast them in. In like manner also they cast in the trees which had
been cut, and left the place wholly untilled and barren for the God
of War.

From where did these trees come? He tells a story of how the sheaves
and the trees formed the Tiber Isle. If true, here we would have to
assume that they were not small trees that had grown up in an open
field. From whence did they come? Plutarch continued, and may thereby
give us the clue.

"Some, however, say that this did not happen when the field of
Tarquin was consecrated, but in later times, when Tarquinia devoted
another field adjacent to this. Now Tarquinia was a holy virgin, one
of the Vestals, and received great honors for this act, among which
was this, that of all women her testimony alone be received. The
people also voted her permission to marry, but she did not avail
herself of it. This is how the thing happened, as the tale runs." ~
Plutach, Life of Poplicola 8.1-4

Just as the People worked the wheat field of the king, in lieu of
paying taxes before coin was minted, it is possible that some cleared
the forest in the adjacent plot of land. In July the dried wood
would be gathered in order to prevent fires, and also to provide the
king and his family with fuel for their fires. So here we have a
festival that probably dates to the Late Regal Period, if not
earlier, wherein a deep forest was being cleared of its annual
debris. The festival is somewhat similar to the Vestalia, as a lucar
would amount to a temple from a very ancient period, as far back as
Neolithic Italy. It is interesting that our wood beside the Via
Salaria was linked to not only a Tarquin but to a Vestal Virgin as
well. And called a lucar, the site may also have contained a special
place where fauni and silvani would gather. In such a place,
clearing the forest of debris would demand propitiating the deities
of the forest, and of that type of rite we have an example from Cato
the Elder.

"When clearing land, it is proper in Roman custom to do thus: offer a
pig in atonement with these words, "Whether you, for whom this grove
is sacred, are a god, or if you are a goddess, it is right to make an
offering of a pig to you in atonement for clearing and enclosing this
sacred place. Therefore and for these reasons, whether I or someone
who I designate shall make offerings, may it be considered rightly
done. I pray good prayers to you in regard to this endeavor,
offering this pig in atonement, in order that you may willingly favor
me, my house and home, and my children. On behalf of these things,
may the offering of this pig in atonement honor and strengthen you.'

"If you wish to dig up the place as well, then another pig is offered
in atonement in the same manner as before, saying in addition, 'for
the reason of conducting this work.' If the work should be
interrupted, or if due to public festivals and family feasts the work
is delayed, then make another offering of atonement." ~ M. Porcius
Cato, De Agri Cultura 139-140


ADONIA

On the third day of mourning the death of Adonis, celebrations are
held for His Resurrection.

"Blessed the happy man who knows the Mysteries to Gods ordain, and
sanctifies his life, joins soul to soul in mystic union, and, by due
ritual made pure, enters the ecstasy of mountain solitudes; who
observes the Mystic rites, made lawful by the Magna Mater, who crowns
his head with ivy and shakes his wand in worship of Dionysus." ~
Eurippedes, Bacchae 194, Lines 74-83


AUC 790 / 37 CE: The emperor Gaius Caesar (Caligula) gave a
congiarium to the people

Under the Republic a congius was a standard measure of wine or oil
that was distributed to the people on certain festive occasions. Thus
we find in Livy:

"The curule aediles for the year were M. Cornelius Cethegus and P.
Cornelius Scipio, who was subsequently known as Africanus. When the
latter offered himself as a candidate, the tribunes of the plebs
objected to him, and said that he could not be allowed to stand
because he had not yet reached the legal age. His reply was: 'If the
Quirites are unanimous in their desire to appoint me aedile, I am
quite old enough.' On this the people hurried to give their tribal
votes for him with such eagerness that the tribunes abandoned their
opposition. The new aediles discharged their functions with great
munificence; the Roman Games were celebrated on a grand scale
considering their resources at the time; they were repeated a second
day and a congius of oil was distributed in each street." ~ Titus
Livius 25.2

And with Pliny, discussing wine, he also speaks of these
distributions during triumphs:

"M. Varro gives us the following statement as to the wines that were
held in the highest esteem at table in his day: 'L. Lucullus, when a
boy, never saw an entertainment at his father's house, however
sumptuous it might be, at which Greek wine was handed round more than
once during the repast: whereas he himself, when he returned from
Asia, distributed as a largess among the people more than a hundred
thousand congiaria of the same wine. C. Sentius, whom we have seen
Prætor, used to say that Chian wine never entered his house until his
physician prescribed it to him for the cardiac disease. On the other
hand, Hortensius left ten thousand casks of it to his heir.' Such is
the statement made by Varro. And besides, is it not a well-known fact
that Cæsar, when Dictator, at the banquet given on the occasion of
his triumph, allotted to each table an amphora of Falernian and a
cadus of Chian. On the occasion, too, of his triumph for his
victories in Spain, he put before the guests both Chian as well as
Falernian; and again, at the banquet given on his third consulship
(46 BCE), he gave Falernian, Chian, Lesbian, and Marmertine; indeed,
it is generally agreed that this was the first occasion on which four
different kinds of wine were served at table. It was after this,
then, that all the other sorts came into such very high repute,
somewhere about the year of the City 700." ~ Plinius Secundus,
Historia Naturalis 14.17

Quintilian (VI.3 §52) used congiarium, as a name for liberal
donations to the people dona liberalis. These could consist of wine,
oil, wheat, money, or other items. Under the Empire congiaria became
more common distributions (Suetonius, Twelve Caesars, Aug. 41, Tib.
20, Ner. 7; Plin. Paneg. 25; Tac. Ann. XII.41, XIII.31). Similar
donations, given to soldiers, were instead called donativa. For
example, when Nero was made consul-elect prematurely, at age
twenty, "A donative was also given to the soldiery in Nero's name
(donativum militia), and presents to the city populace (congiarium
plebei)." In 57 CE, during Nero's second consulship, "to every
member of the city populace four hundred sesterces were given, and
forty million paid into the exchequer to maintain the credit of the
citizens (Tacitus, Annales 13.41)."

With Tacitus, Annales, Book VI ends with the death of Tiberius on 16
March 37 CE. Unfortunately the next four books are missing, so we do
not know with certainty what was the context of the congiarium given
by Caligula. It's intention was certainly clear. Caligula was
declared emperor by the legions, as he was the son of the popular
Germanicus. In spite of the tales later told about Caligula's
excesses, he was a very popular emperor among the people, especially
at the beginning of his reign. This congiarium, coming between the
Ludi Apollinares and the Ludi Victoriae Caesaris, given four months
after the death of dour and miserly Tiberius, probably came along
with the end of official mourning, so as to seal the transformation
over to the new regime of youthful and generous Caligula. Coming the
day before the Ludi Victoriae Caesaris it probably also was intended
to connect Caligula with the earlier Caesar as well as with the
largesse of the former Caesar.


AUC 817 / 64 CE: The Great Fire of Rome continued into its second day

"It would not be easy to enter into a computation of the private
mansions, the blocks of tenements, and of the temples, which were
lost. Those with the oldest ceremonial, as that dedicated by Servius
Tullius to Luna, the great altar and shrine raised by the Arcadian
Evander to the visibly appearing Hercules, the temple of Jupiter
Stator, which was vowed by Romulus, Numa's royal palace, and the
sanctuary of Vesta, with the tutelary deities of the Roman people,
were burnt. So too were the riches acquired by our many victories,
various beauties of Greek art, then again the ancient and genuine
historical monuments of men of genius, and, notwithstanding the
striking splendour of the restored city, old men will remember many
things which could not be replaced. Some persons observed that the
beginning of this conflagration was on the 19th of July, the day on
which the Senones captured and fired Rome. Others have pushed a
curious inquiry so far as to reduce the interval between these two
conflagrations into equal numbers of years, months, and days." ~ P.
Cornelius Tacitus, Annales 15.41


Veientine War Brought to an End

"When this disaster occurred, C. Horatius and T. Menenius were
consuls. Menenius was at once sent against the Tuscans, flushed with
their recent victory. Another unsuccessful action was fought, and the
enemy took possession of the Janiculum. The City, which was suffering
from scarcity as well as from the war, would have been invested-for
the Etruscans had crossed the Tiber-had not the consul Horatius been
recalled from the Volsci. The fighting approached so near the walls
that the first battle, an indecisive one, took place near the temple
of Spes, and the second at the Colline gate. In the latter, although
the Romans gained only a slight advantage, the soldiers recovered
something of their old courage and were better prepared for future
campaigns. The next consuls were A. Verginius and Sp. Servilius.
After their defeat in the last battle, the Veientines declined an
engagement. There were forays. From the Janiculum as from a citadel
they made raids in all directions on the Roman territory; nowhere
were the cattle or the country-folk safe. They were ultimately caught
by the same stratagem by which they had caught the Fabii. Some cattle
were purposely driven in different directions as a decoy; they
followed them and fell into an ambuscade; and as their numbers were
greater, the slaughter was greater. Their rage at this defeat was the
cause and commencement of a more serious one. They crossed the Tiber
by night and marched up to an attack on Servilius' camp, but were
routed with great loss, and with great difficulty reached the
Janiculum. The consul himself forthwith crossed the Tiber and
entrenched himself at the foot of the Janiculum. The confidence
inspired by his victory of the previous day, but still more the
scarcity of corn, made him decide upon an immediate but precipitate
move. He led his army at daybreak up the side of the Janiculum to the
enemies' camp; but he met with a more disastrous repulse than the one
he had inflicted the day before. It was only by the intervention of
his colleague that he and his army were saved. The Etruscans, caught
between the two armies, and retreating from each alternately, were
annihilated. So the Veientine war was brought to a sudden close by an
act of happy rashness." ~ Titus Livius 2.51


Today's thought is from the Stoic Chrysippus as recorded by Diogenes
laertius 7.87:

"Living virtuously is equivalent to living in accordance with the
experience of the actual course of nature, as Chrysippus says in the
first book of his De finibus; for our individual natures are parts of
the nature of the whole universe. And this is why the end may be
defined as life in accordance with nature, or, in other words, in
accordance with our own human nature as well as that of the universe,
a life in which we refrain from every action forbidden by the law
common to all things, that is to say, the right reason which pervades
all things, and is identical with Jupiter, lord and ruler of all that
is. And this very thing constitutes the virtue of the happy man and
the smooth current of life, when all actions promote the harmony of
the spirit dwelling in the individual man with the will of him who
orders the universe."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56956 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Salve:

Nova Roma was founded as a religious organization, a religious and educational organization.  Such is in our constitution and our incorporation papers.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 5:20 AM, philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@...> wrote:

if NR would have been founded as a rligious orgnisation, we should not have all this problems
the Cultus Deorum as "stte religion" leads to some ambiguity
 
Varro

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56957 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
"But as supra I said my language native is not English and I have to
confess that I do not understand this "put up with" met with harsh
reception"
 
d'après ce que je comprends ça voudrait dire "endure", "souffrir, "accepter quelque chose mais sans joie ni peine", "permettre" mais sans accepter, quasiment "tolérer" au sens originel de supporter ce qu'on ne peut empêcher
 
juste une petite aide
 
varro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56958 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
"Salve:

Nova Roma was founded as a religious organization, a religious and educational organization.  Such is in our constitution and our incorporation papers.

Vale;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus"

so it is no problem
 
varro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56959 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Dexter Varroni SPD,

> d'après ce que je comprends ça voudrait
dire "endure", "souffrir, "accepter quelque chose mais sans joie ni
peine", "permettre" mais sans accepter, quasiment "tolérer" au sens
originel de supporter ce qu'on ne peut empêcher

> juste une petite aide

Merci beaucoup, cher concitoyen de la province des Gaules. Ca fait
plaisir de lire du français parce qu'il faut bien avouer que je ne
comprends pas la moitié de ce dont nos concitoyens anglophones
débattent. Ce qui doit être bien dommage, mais c'set ainsi. Je
comprends grossièrement mais dès qu'il y a des subtilités ou des
finesses mon anglais n'y suffit plus.

Vale.

G. Petronius Dexter.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56961 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: "Put up with" [was Nova Roma honours the gods above all]
Salve Gai Petroni

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
<jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
<snipped>
>
> But as supra I said my language native is not English and I have to
> confess that I do not understand this "put up with" met with harsh
> reception.
>
> Cura ut valeas.
>
> G. Petronius Dexter.
>

"Put up with," as it is used here, is a euphanism for "tolerate"
where toleration also implies "dislike." One can also "put up"
pickles, or pears, or anything else one might can. So, to "put up
with" does not always mean the same thing.


The greatest mistake made by anyone on this list is to "read into"
another person's post. That is, you "read into" his words for
another meaning than what the words themselves express. You "read
between the lines." This is how people find insults where no insult
was intended. They look for allusions to other things, seeking
hidden meanings. I'm sorry, but not everyone on this list is capable
of placing hidden messages and secret codes into their posts as
though they are members of the Illuminati. People ought to stop
looking for what is not to be found.

This sort of thing happens all the time, and it is what has happened
here. Scholastica did not mean anything more than what she said.
And she was expressing what she thinks is the view of another person -
not a good thing to do. Now she has to post again and again, to
explain her meaning. It is not because she said anything with a
hidden meaning. The problem comes from those who read her words and
assume that some other meaning lay behind her words.

I regret to say that my two very close friends, Modianus and
Hortensia, have made such an error. To my mind it is more their
error of "reading into" Scholastica's words. But then Scholastica,
who is always chiding other people for what words and language they
use in front of women and children here, she is not always the best
example of a person who is conscious of the sensibilities of others.
She can be just as guilty as any of us to write remarks without
considering how they shall be received by others.

We do have children here, some Citizens being infants and toddlers.
We have young adults of around fourteen years of age. We have men
and women. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, one Hindu, assorted
wiccans - and that Hedon Venator, the Barbarian - as well as us
cultores Deorum. We also have us old people, some as old as ninety.
The sensibilities of our older Citizens on what is appropriate
languge is quite different from what our younger Citizens use. This
is something else that may be at play here, as I believe Scholastica
is slightly older than myself, while Modianus and Hortensia are more
the age of my children. It can be a struggle at times for an
American, an Englishman, and an Australian to understand one
another. We all speak English, but it certainly is not the same
English. And then of course we have those in Nova Roma whose native
language is not English. OTOH my friend Marcius Rex, an Austrian
diplomat, probably speaks English better than any of us Americans.
We have a wide range of language skills here. We originate from
different cultures, different eras, different places. We are an
international community, sometimes complicating our relationships,
but always making them interesting. This is something that everyone
needs to keep aware when they write and also when they read.

Be aware of the person to whom you write.
Be aware of those others here who will also read your post.
Be aware that what you read may not be intended for you at all.
Be aware that people often have difficulty expressing themselves.

Rather than assume that anything written was intended as an insult,
ask for an explanation. You can make your point more often by asking
the right questions than by going into a rant for which you shall
later have to apologize. Also you can write to the Praetores who are
responsible for monitoring this Forum. If you find something
offensive, let the Praetores make their inquiries before you involve
yourself in a needless argument on the list.


A final comment. Too often on this list are we focused on ourselves,
on Nova roma and its personalities. There was a time when this list
held great interest for people to read. We had people in Rome
reporting daily on the excavations as they took place in the Forum -
and thus before any information came through the news services.
Others wrote about events and places in their own areas. We had
people discussing history, food, and philosophy on this list. It is
unfortunate that the main list has gotten away from such
discussions. I suggest that when you come across something that
interests you that you share it. Generate the kind of discussions
that you wish to participate in, and the rest you can ignore if you
wish. It makes the list more interesting, more vibrant, and it makes
your time here all that much more pleasurable.

Vale optime
M. Moravius Piscinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56962 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Salvete

I don't understand all of the French, but in English we would also
say "endure" or "suffer" with that same meaning of "permit without
accepting." There is also a connotation with "put up with" that this
is for a limited time. It can express an idea that one's patience
for tolerating something is about to run out of time.

Valete
Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "philippe cardon"
<philippe.cardon01@...> wrote:
>
> "But as supra I said my language native is not English and I have
to
> confess that I do not understand this "put up with" met with harsh
> reception"
>
> d'après ce que je comprends ça voudrait
dire "endure", "souffrir, "accepter quelque chose mais sans joie ni
peine", "permettre" mais sans accepter, quasiment "tolérer" au sens
originel de supporter ce qu'on ne peut empêcher
>
> juste une petite aide
>
> varro
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56963 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: "Put up with" [was Nova Roma honours the gods above all]
Ave Marce Moravi !

> "Put up with," as it is used here, is a euphanism for "tolerate"
> where toleration also implies "dislike." One can also "put up"
> pickles, or pears, or anything else one might can. So, to "put up
> with" does not always mean the same thing.

Now I better understand that with this expression someone can annoy the
sensibility of another.

I am very honoured by your so delicate, so deep, so philosophical
answer about the different levels of language and the understanding of
the words.

Maximas gratias tibi !

G. Petronius Dexter.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56964 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
"Merci beaucoup, cher concitoyen de la province des Gaules. Ca fait
plaisir de lire du français parce qu'il faut bien avouer que je ne
comprends pas la moitié de ce dont nos concitoyens anglophones
débattent. Ce qui doit être bien dommage, mais c'set ainsi. Je
comprends grossièrement mais dès qu'il y a des subtilités ou des
finesses mon anglais n'y suffit plus"
 
.c'est mon cas aussi même si une de mes grands-mères était anglaise
il y a beaucoup d'expressions qui m'échappent
 
à propos de "put up with" on pourrait dire "il faut faire avec"
 
d'ou es-tu?
 
Vale
 
Varro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56965 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: "Put up with" and translation
Dexteri Varroni al. Francogallis s.d.

"Put up with" = "Faire avec". L'anglais n'est pas très loin du
français ici, contrairement aux "phrasal verbs". "Supporter" a un
sens légèrement moindre.

L'expression verbale avait donc, implicitement, un sens négatif, ce
qui explique les réactions intervenues.

Valete Galli et omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
Leg. pp. Galliae


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
<jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ave Marce Moravi !
>
> > "Put up with," as it is used here, is a euphanism for "tolerate"
> > where toleration also implies "dislike." One can also "put up"
> > pickles, or pears, or anything else one might can. So, to "put
up
> > with" does not always mean the same thing.
>
> Now I better understand that with this expression someone can annoy
the
> sensibility of another.
>
> I am very honoured by your so delicate, so deep, so philosophical
> answer about the different levels of language and the understanding
of
> the words.
>
> Maximas gratias tibi !
>
> G. Petronius Dexter.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56966 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: "Put up with" and translation
oui "faire avec" mais je n'y ai pensé qu'ensuite
 
it would not be pleasant to me that someone in NR "put up with" the Religio
varro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56967 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Personal Opinion Concerning Senator Saturninus' Post And Electro
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus A. Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit

What are you, as an academic, doing to change the opinion of other academics?  I assume you attend conferences like other academics, does Nova Roma come up?  You seem to know what the academic world thinks about Nova Roma, how do you defend us -- not only as a citizen but also as a senator (a member of our board of directors)?  Nova Roma is a religious and educational organization, it doesn't seem reasonable that we are going to attract Roman Catholic clergy (Latinists or otherwise) into our midst who cannot have some respect for the reconstruction of the Religio Romana -- so why mention it?  Nova Roma is NOT for everyone.  An interest in Rome is not enough.  A desire to build Roman community under the banner of the Gods of Rome is what Nova Roma is about -- at least as specificed in our constitution.  If this means world class Latinists are not interested in us then so be it.  That doesn't mean we dumb down our devotion to the Gods of Rome so we can attract a few Latinists.

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:56 PM, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

A. Tullia Scholastica K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 



    ATS:  You seem to be suffering from the delusion that I was referring to NR citizens.  I was referring to others outside of NR who happen to be in the more exalted ranks of the world's Latinists.  NR is seen by some (and not only classicists or Latinists) as a joke of sorts, and not necessarily because of the Religio Romana.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56968 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
Ave Varro,

> .c'est mon cas aussi même si une de mes grands-mères était anglaise
> il y a beaucoup d'expressions qui m'échappent.

Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de grand-mère Anglaise ou anglo-phone.
J'ai appris l'anglais au lycée, autrement dit, je n'ai que des bases
assez maigres. Pour me forcer à pratiquer l'anglais j'ai acheté
quelques livres en anglais comme Harry Potter and the Philosopher's
Stone. Je pensais qu'un bon ouvrage pour enfants devait être de mon
niveau de compréhension...

Infortunately, I do not have a British granny or speaking English. I
learned English language at school, in other words, I only have the
very basic knowledges of. To practice this language, I bought some
English books like Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. I thought
that a good handiwork for children may be on my level of
understanding...

> à propos de "put up with" on pourrait dire "il faut faire avec"

Merci. J'ai été impressionné par la longue réponse de M. Piscinus fort
bien tournée et tout de même intelligible pour moi.

Thank you. I have been impressed by the long answer of M. Piscinus very
handsome and I could understand.

> d'où es-tu?

Je vis à Arcueil, au sud de Paris, de l'autre côté du périph' par Porte
d'Orléans.

Vale.

Dexter.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56969 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: Nova Roma honours the gods above all We are a Pagan Org!
dexter
 
j'ai grandi à la Butte Montmartre mais après un long périple je tiens un resto dans le Jura vers Saint-Claude
 
Vale
Varro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56970 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Venator scripsit, was Re: "Put up with" [was Nova Roma honours the g
Avete Omnes;

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:46 AM, marcushoratius wrote:
> Salve Gai Petroni
>
> [excision]... - and that Hedon Venator, the Barbarian - ...[excision]
>
> Vale optime
> M. Moravius Piscinus
>
I have not commented lately, my reasons being previously presented.
(I do thank one and all for their condolences and well-wishes).

But, when my name is brought up...I feel invited into the conversation.

All in all, a good discussion on the topic of who and what is Nova
Roma, I think.

I joined, knowing that one of the main raison d'etre of the Res
Publica is to have a place for the renewal of the Religio Roman as
Cultus Publica once again. It is a goal I support.

As a Heathen, aka Asatruar, one of the tenets by which I live is to
give honor to my ancestors and their ways.

Yes, I do admit that many generations of my forebears practiced forms
of Christianity. I do honor them, mainly by not being anti-Christian,
and by having a gentle, reasoned approach in my conversations with
Christians.

Some of my ancestry is Roman, by way of much of my maternal line.

Though I give my love and worship to the Holy Powers known to and
believed in by my northern ancestors, my duty is to remember and
respect Those of my southern forebears.

I see my support of Nova Roma as one way to do so.

By summer's end, my personal affairs will be much more in order. I
will have more time to devote to helping the organizations in which I
have been able to invest time in the past.

Here's to 10 more centuries of Nova Roma under the blessings of the
Deities of all her citizens.

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Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poetus

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
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http://www.myspace.com/venator_poetus
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http://ullarsskald01.Writing.Com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
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May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56971 From: Vaccaro, Dennis D Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: The Comments of A. Tullia Scholastica
Salvete,

As a new citizen, I do have to agree with Scholastica that many people are misreading his comments. Simply using the phrase "put up with" does not mean he was acting in a disrespectful manner towards the Religio Romana. It is not disrespectful to acknowledge that there are people who disrespect your group, be it religious or otherwise. There is nothing to be gained in refusing to acknowledge the existence of your detractors, and, though not true in this case, there are times where there is something to be learned and improved upon from the reasons for your criticism. The fact of the matter is that much of the world is so entrenched in dogma that they look down on any who do not follow the same religion as them, even more so when the religion exists beyond the mainstream (and misunderstandings of the word "cult" do not help the matter). This causes a greater problem due to the fact that most modern use of Latin is by the Roman Catholic church. Given the status quo of the world, it is my personal judgment that the words of Scholastica do not impugn the Religion Romana, but are instead high praise for the tolerance of Avitus.

I am concerned that these comments will paint me in a negative light, particularly since this is my first post and I am taking a stand against many of our political and religious magistrates. However, I find the charges leveled again Scholastica entirely unjust and unfounded, thus I feel it is my obligation to speak against them.

Valete,

Quintus Vibius Novellus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 56972 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-07-19
Subject: Re: The Comments of A. Tullia Scholastica
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Quinto Vibio Novello salutem dicit

Scholastica is a woman by the way. 

"I am concerned that these comments will paint me in a negative light, particularly since this is my first post and I am taking a stand against many of our political and religious magistrates."

Some of us have history with Scholastica and base our assumptions on past history as well as to what is said.  No negative light upon you, everyone is free to express themselves. 

Vale:

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Vaccaro, Dennis D <vaccarod@...> wrote:

Salvete,

As a new citizen, I do have to agree with Scholastica that many people are misreading his comments. Simply using the phrase "put up with" does not mean he was acting in a disrespectful manner towards the Religio Romana. It is not disrespectful to acknowledge that there are people who disrespect your group, be it religious or otherwise. There is nothing to be gained in refusing to acknowledge the existence of your detractors, and, though not true in this case, there are times where there is something to be learned and improved upon from the reasons for your criticism. The fact of the matter is that much of the world is so entrenched in dogma that they look down on any who do not follow the same religion as them, even more so when the religion exists beyond the mainstream (and misunderstandings of the word "cult" do not help the matter). This causes a greater problem due to the fact that most modern use of Latin is by the Roman Catholic church. Given the status quo of the world, it is my personal judgment that the words of Scholastica do not impugn the Religion Romana, but are instead high praise for the tolerance of Avitus.

I am concerned that these comments will paint me in a negative light, particularly since this is my first post and I am taking a stand against many of our political and religious magistrates. However, I find the charges leveled again Scholastica entirely unjust and unfounded, thus I feel it is my obligation to speak against them.

Valete,

Quintus Vibius Novellus