Salvete omnes

The deadline for sending in your answers to the Ovid quiz has now passed. Sadly we have no entries. We shall try to find other topics that encourage more contestants to take part for the next certamen.

Meanwhile here are the answers.

1 On what date was Ovid born ?
1 March 20, 43 BC

2 On which precise night did Ovid leave Rome ?
2 Nov. 15, 8 AD

3 Why was Ovid confident that he would have the protection of a  god/goddess during his journey through the Aegean sea ?
3 Because Minerva's helmet was painted on his ship's prow.

4 What etymological explanation does Ovid give for the word « Tomis »
4 Medea, to delay her father trying to join her, fleeing with her lover Jason, killed her own brother Absyrt :Ovid says "it was here the sister cut up her brother's body".

5 In his « Tristia », Ovid writes to a poetess. What was her name ?
5 Perilla

6  What was the relation of this poetess with Ovid ?
6  His stepdaughter, the daughter of his third wife

7  What is the current population of Ovid's birth place (to the nearest 1,000.) ?
7  25,000

8   Ovid tells us about three other writers, saying « I was the fourth, after them, in order of time. » Who were the three others, in the chronological order reported by Ovid ?
8  Gallus, Tibullus, Propercius
9  How old was Ovid's brother when he died ?
9  20

10  What is the name of the book that Ovid writes, after the Tristia, in Tomis ?
10  Pontics (ex Ponto)

11  Ovid asks a Fabius  to speak for him. What was his cognomen ?
11  Maximus

12  In which year did Ovid die ?
 12 17 AD

 13 Ovid is supposed to be buried on a small island in a Romanian city. What is the name of this city ?
 13 Ovidiu, ancient Canara


The online contest is now closed.

We shall return with more certamens later in the year.

Valete optime

Crispus

IV Non Sext F: Dies Ater:

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos inculumes custodiant

Hodie est ante diem IV Nonas Sextilias; haec dies fastus aterque est:
feriae quod eo die Caius Caesar Cai filius in Hispania citeriore et
quod in Ponto eod die regem Pharnacem dicivit.

Today's thought is from Epicurus:

A happy and eternal being has no trouble himself and brings no trouble
upon any other being; hence he is exempt from movements of anger and
partiality, for every such movement implies weakness

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Salvete all,

I couldn't wait for the Castra Romana next month (I will go to that
too), so I went to the A Day in Pompeii exhibit during the opening
weekend. Plus its only 1 block away from where I work in downtown
Charlotte. Anyways, I wanted to share with you my experience there
and give you a preview:

First of all, from beginning to end of the exhibit took me about 90
minutes, and that is because I looked at every item and took alot of
pictures, in addition to watching the 10 movie in the middle of the
exhibit. On a level of someone who is loves Rome, I found it nice to
see such a collection outside of a permanent collection in a museum.
However, on an academic level, there is much more they could have
done. And the exhibit itself is not that large.

There were numerous groupings of items dealing with topics such as
food, containers, jewelry, coins, hooks, religion, statues, burial
urns, furnature, paintings, statues, and body casts. (Some topics
were not presented at all, like gladiators, military, cult of the
emperor, architecture, and mosaics.) While each section was
interesting, what was missing were detailed placards! There would be
a mention of the overall grouping (ie, these are typical... found in
Pompeii which were used for...) For young people or others who havent
studying Rome such a description could be sufficient, but for people
like me I wanted more information. The audio guide helped a little
(the link is below), but still wasnt enough for me to learn about the
objects. The most frustrating example was something like this: this
is a group of funerary objects found in Pompeii. No explaination of
the individual items and what they represent. :-( The exhibit is
family friendly, not academic. Also, the fake graffito was printed
backwards!!! If it is still there, it is very obvious.

Anyways, some of the items they had were really astounding: the Mano
Pantea, Fortuna on her throne, and a marble table with legs that have
lion heads. There were also some interesting items that Ive not seen
before (in the many museums with Roman objects Ive been to) such as
preserved food, metal rods to scrape sweat off the body, fish hooks
and anchor, and chimney tops. Ive already seen body casts when I was
in Pompeii, but I was interested with the one of the dog and pig.
Also, they had a re-enactor in military clothing at the end, and I
saw 2 people in togas walking around through the exhibits...Im not
sure if they were other NRs, or not though.

In the end I thought it was nice, found a few items really
interesting, but the exhibit was bit short, and not academic enough.
Plus it was expensive!

For a even better preview, with pictures of alot of exhibits and the
audio guide, go here: http://www.sdnhm.org/pompeii/v_tour.php?&page=1
(Its from the last museum that hosted the exhibit.)

Valete,
Decimus Claudius Aquilius

A. Tullia Scholastica quirítibus, sociís, peregrínísque bonae voluntátis S.P.D.

    The Grammatica Latina I traditional Latin course based on the popular Wheelock textbook will begin Monday, September 15th, 2008.  All prospective students must obtain a copy of the textbook, Wheelock’s Latin, sixth edition, revised by LaFleur, before being allowed to register.  Those who do not have an identity from the Academia Thules must also acquire one in advance of the start of class.  The latter process in particular takes a long time, so it is best to start this process immediately.  

    The continuing Grammatica Latina II course will begin Monday, September 8th, 2008.  All anticipated students have already registered and are periodically being instructed in Latin conversation pending the start of class, but those who have completed Grammatica Latina I, Sermo Latinus I, Sermo Latinus II, or corresponding courses in the past are welcome to join with permission of the instructor.  Those who are not graduates of Grammatica I must acquire the textbook, and those who have not taken a course at the AT must obtain an ID from Saturninus.  Both Grammatica courses are open for enrollment at this time.

    Sermo Latinus I and Sermo Latinus II will begin on Monday, October 13th, 2008.  As above, students must have an ID from the Academia Thules, and a copy of the textbook, before being allowed to register.  The textbook is Le Latin Sans Peine, by Clement Desessard, also available translated into Italian.  Volunteers from the Sodalitas Latinitatis have translated this text into both English and Spanish for the use of students in these courses, so those who cannot read French or Italian, but can read English or Spanish, should not be concerned; the translations are available on the class site, and are revealed one lesson at a time for the students.  The text is bilingual in Latin/French or Latin/Italian; all students must have the text and the accompanying audio tapes or CD.  The text alone will not suffice.  Those who prefer the French version should be aware that this has gone out of print, and has been replaced by a different text in this series.  Booksellers seem eager to dispose of their stock of this replacement, which is not only the wrong text but also one written at the LAD level by an incompetent, and widely condemned in the Latinist community; several prospective students have had the replacement foisted on them and been forced to return it and purchase a replacement copy of the correct text.  Those wishing this text must ask for it by the author’s name, and verify that when they receive their respective copies.  

    Rudimenta Latina, a preliminary book course about Latin, but not an actual Latin-language course, will likely begin on September 21st, 2008, though this date is tentative.  This is a nine-week course which requires only the reading of the text and some onsite material, followed by a final examination.  The text is A Natural History of Latin, by Tore Janson, translated and adapted by Merethe Damsgard Sorensen and Nigel Vincent.  There are no academic prerequisites, and it is not strictly necessary to have the text in advance, though it certainly is recommended.  One must, however, have an ID from the AT.

    Pending site maintenance for the Sermo courses and Rudimenta as well as exam correction for the former, registration is not available at this time for these courses, but we anticipate that this will become possible sometime in mid-August when our department chairman returns from vacation.  When registration opens, I shall announce this on the Main List and elsewhere.  
 
    At this point, we are not sure about Sermo I and II combined; if it is offered, it will begin on October 13th, 2008.  

Valete.  

III Non Sext C:

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Optime vos omnes

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Sextilis; haec dies comitialis est:
Sacrum Canarium

Cannae and gens Aelia

As (Praetor Aelius Tubero) was sitting in judgment, a woodpecker
settled on his head. The soothsayers affirmed that if the bird was
allowed to live, the fate of his own house would be very happy but
that of the commonwealth very miserable; if it was killed, both
predictions would be reversed. Aelius immediately killed the
woodpecker with a bite before the Senate's eyes. The Aelian family
lost seventeen exceptionally brave men in the battle of Cannae; the
commonwealth as the time went on rose to the topmost pinnacle of
empire. ~ Valerius Maximus 5.6.4


Sacrum Canarium

Around this times of year when the Dog Star, Sirius, rose and set,
sacrifice was offered to Robigus in order to protect crops from the
harm of mildew, rust, or drought. Ovid wrote about the Robigalia of
25 April. From Pliny we hear of another sacrifice tied to Sirius in
August:

We read in the Commentaries of the Pontifices to the following
effect, "For deriving an augury from the sacrifice of a bitch, a day
should be set apart before the ear of corn appears from out of the
sheath, and then again before it enters the sheath." ~ G. Plinius
Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.3 (14)

This ritual took place outside the Porta Catularia. From Festus,
quoting Ateius Caito, we learn more about this sacrifice of early
August. Red or reddish puppies, not yet weaned was the sacrifice.
Possibly the reddish colour represented the young corn itself, or
otherwise may have represented the reddish rust whose infection of
the wheat was being avoided. The time was given at the rise of
Sirius, but it isn't certain that the sacrifice was made to Robigus
as at Robigalia. Most likely it was. The reason why the puppies
were not yet weaned is explained by Pliny. The Milky Way was
supposedly formed when the infant Hercules was first put to the
breast of Juno. At certain times of the year the Milky Way could be
seen "pouring" upon the Earth. This occurs when Gemini in on the
eastern horizon before sunrise. The appearance of Scorpio, at the
other end of the Milky Way, lying on the western horizon at sunset
represented an entirely different idea, unrelated to
agriculture. "It is the emanations from this [Milky Way], flowing
as it were from the breast, that supply their milky nutriment to all
branches of the vegetable world. Two constellations more
particularly mark this circular tract, the Eargle in the north, and
Canicula (Sirius) in the south Â… If, then, at the moments of the
rising and the setting of these constellations, the air, soft and
pure, transmits these genial and milky emanations to the earth, the
crops will thrive and ripen apace; but if on the other hand, the
moon, as already mentioned, sheds her chilling dews, the bitterness
thereof infuses itself into these milky secretions, and so kills the
vegetation in its birth. (Plinius, H. N. 18.69)."

The reddish, ripening wheat, needs to take in the celestial
nourishment from Juno as well as the nourishment provided by Ceres
from the Earth. Unweaned, the puppies therefore represent the crops
still suckling. A danger was thought to come with a New Moon, in
conjunction with the sun, whereby it did not shed its dews while the
Dog Star was rising.

the rising of the Dog-star, twenty-three days after the summer
solstice, must be [a critical day] too, in case the moon is then in
conjunction; for the excessive heat is productive of injurious
effects, and the grape becomes prematurely ripened, shriveled, and
tough. ~ G. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis excerpts from 18.69


Our thought for today comes from the Golden Sayings of Pythagoras 32-
33:

In no way neglect the health of thy body, but give it drink and meat
in due measure, and also the exercise of which it has need.

Salvete omnes

The Mayor of London, recipient of a classical education, has opened a new exhibition about Hadrian at the Museum of London. He opened it in Latin.

Read more here:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7537766.stm 




Valete optime

C  Marcius Crispus

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Pridie Nonas C:

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos salvam et servatam volunt.

Hodie est die pristine Nonas Sextilias; haec dies comitialis est:

If, at the fourth day of the Moon, Her horns are erect, there will
be great storms at sea unless, indeed, She has a corona around Her
and that circlet unblemished, for by that sign we are informed that
there will be no stormy weather before the Full Moon ~ M Terrentius
Varro in G. Plinius Secundus Historia Naturalis 18.79

Today being our thirty-fifth wedding anniversary, I look at
Plutarch's Roman Questions 30 in honor of the woman who has put up
with me for so long:

Why do they, as they conduct the bride to her home, bid her
say, `Where you are Gaius, there am I Gaia.?' Is her entrance into
the house upon fixed terms, as it were, at once to share everything
and to control jointly the household, and is the meaning,
then, `Wherever you are lord and master, there am I lady and
mistress?' These names are in common ise also in other connexions,
just as jurists speak of Gaius Seius and Lucius Titius, and
philosophers of Dion and Theon. Or do they use these names because
Gaia Caecilia, consort of one of Tarquin's sons, a fair and virtuous
woman, whose statue in bronze stands in the temple of Sanctus? And
both her sandals and her spindle were, in ancient days, dedicated
there as tokens of her love of home and of her industry respectively.


Today's thought is from Epictetus, Enchiridion 8"

"Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to
happen as they do happen, and you will go on well."

Cn. Lentulus Quiritibus praesertim P. Memmio et C. Vipsanio sal.


We are at the home of consul T.Iulius Sabinus, with consul M. Moravius Piscinus,tribuna pl. Livia Plauta, senators C. Curius Saturninus, Emilia Curia Finnica, and the little M. Curius, Sabinus Minor, Popillia, Arria,the consul`s wife.

We are all good friends, here nice people without any confrontation and with the greatest possible friendship.

Let it be the same for all Nova Roma and for all the time!


We all send greetings from Bucharest to everz citizen of Nova Roma!!!


Curate, ut valeatis!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
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Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
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Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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Salve!

Pleae send everyone my best regards!

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4 aug 2008 kl. 21.05 skrev Cn. Cornelius Lentulus:

Cn. Lentulus Quiritibus praesertim P. Memmio et C. Vipsanio sal.


We are at the home of consul T.Iulius Sabinus, with consul M. Moravius
Piscinus,tribuna pl. Livia Plauta, senators C. Curius Saturninus,
Emilia Curia Finnica, and the little M. Curius, Sabinus Minor,
Popillia, Arria,the consul`s wife.

We are all good friends, here nice people without any confrontation
and with the greatest possible friendship.

Let it be the same for all Nova Roma and for all the time!


We all send greetings from Bucharest to everz citizen of Nova Roma!!!


Curate, ut valeatis!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
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Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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Nones Sext F: NONAE

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Dea Salus salvere vos iubet.

Hodie est Nonae Sextialiae; haec dies fastus est: Natalis Salutis in
Quirino.

Flee the fifth: for then sprang Orcus and the Eumenides! ~ P.
Vergilius Maro, Georgic 1.276-78

AUC 446 / 307 BCE: Contract to build and earlier vowed Temple of
Salus

In this year the censor C. Junius Bubulcus signed a contract for the
building of the temple to Salus which he had vowed when engaged as
consul in the Samnite war. He and his colleague, M. Valerius
Maximus, also undertook the construction of roads through the
country districts out of the public funds. The treaty with the
Carthaginians was renewed for the third time this year and
munificent presents were made to the plenipotentiaries who had come
over for the purpose. ~ Titus Livius 9.43.25

AUC 451 / 302: Dedication of the Temple of Salus on the Quirinal Hill

In their weakened condition it seemed almost incredible that the
Aequi could have begun war, relying solely upon themselves, and the
fear of an indefinitely extended war necessitated the appointment of
a Dictator. C. Junius Bubulcus was nominated, and he took the field,
with M. Titinius as Master of the Horse. In the very first battle he
crushed the Aequi, and a week later he returned in triumph to the
City. Whilst Dictator he dedicated the temple of Salus which he had
vowed as consul and the construction of which he had contracted for
when censor. ~ Titus Livius 10.1.9


AUC 696 / 57 BCE: Cicero arrives at Brundisium after sixteen months
in exile.


Our thought for today is Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 5.8.4:

As a matter of course many of the prescriptions of Asclepius are
disagreeable, but we accept them in the hope of health. Let the
perfecting and accomplishment of the things, which the common nature
judges to be good, be judged by thee to be of the same kind as thy
health. And so accept everything which happens, even if it seem
disagreeable, because it leads to this, to the health of the
universe and to the prosperity and felicity of Zeus. For He would
not have brought on any man what He has brought, if it were not
useful for the whole.

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Omnibus s.d.


I come back home from the Daciae conventus yesterday night.

Naturally, leg. Sabinus will let you all aware of what happened, and
his personal feeling about this event.

Mine is that our Dacian friends first have worked a lot to welcome us
in the best conditions, among Rumanian people who are really
welcoming and working ones.

I would thus like to thank T. Iulius Sabinus, sposa Carina, and,
among the whole team, specially Familia Montana, for their friendly
efforts.

We had interesting discussions, ludi, visits, and friendly time all
together.

Pictures will come.

Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
aed. cur. leg. pp. Galliae

Omnibus s.d.


Hon. Marcius has already posted the results of the Certamen for
online players.

Here are the ones for the Novi Romani who were attending the
Conventus Daciae in Rumania, that has just ended today.

One preliminary word: as I was there, I have personally displayed the
questions to every one and duly reminded everybody to make me back
the replies for a provided time. On the 11 possible allowed players
(so excluded both Iulii Sabini and me), I got just 36 % of answers. I
suppose that, in the 64 % remaining, we have at the same time people
who prefer not to take part to the game, and also cives who forgot to
give their answers sheet back.

You will find, in the files section of this Forum, an Excel sheet
with the detail of the answers given by the players.

Here the results of the Certamen Conventus :

1. O. Fabius Montanus 29 pts WINNER
2. M. Moravius Piscinus 20 pts
3. G. Vipsanius Agrippa 10 pts

Thanks a lot to these courageous true Romans who did not refuse the
fight. They owe our special recognizing.


Valete omnes,


P. Memmius Albucius
aed. cur.

SALVETE!

I want to thank you to all participants. I'm more than grateful
because you were here.

Consul Piscinus decided to stay one week more in this area of the
world, so, tomorrow we will join to Lentulus, Plauta and Popillia in
Tomis and then, for a few days, we will travel to Bulgaria.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
<albucius_aoe@...> wrote:

>
> Omnibus s.d.
>
>
> I come back home from the Daciae conventus yesterday night.
>
> Naturally, leg. Sabinus will let you all aware of what happened,

and

> his personal feeling about this event.
>
> Mine is that our Dacian friends first have worked a lot to welcome

us

> in the best conditions, among Rumanian people who are really
> welcoming and working ones.
>
> I would thus like to thank T. Iulius Sabinus, sposa Carina, and,
> among the whole team, specially Familia Montana, for their friendly
> efforts.
>
> We had interesting discussions, ludi, visits, and friendly time all
> together.
>
> Pictures will come.
>
> Valete omnes,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> aed. cur. leg. pp. Galliae
>

VIII Idus Sext F: Dies Ater:

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Sapite animo; fruamini anima.

Hodie est ante diem VIII Eidus Sextiliae; haec dies fastus aterque est:


Today's thought is from Epicurus, the Vatican Sayings 14:

We have been born once and cannot be born a second time; for all
eternity we shall no longer exist. But you, although you are not in
control of tomorrow, are postponing your happiness. Life is wasted by
delaying, and each one of us dies without enjoying leisure.

Salvete, omnes.

When writing the Roman date and it is after the Ides of December, is it
proper to give the year that the Kalends of January falls in, or should
the current year be used?

Example:

Id. Dec. MMDCCLXI a.u.c.
a.d. XIX Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI a.u.c.


These are the dates for the 13th and 14th of December 2008. Should the
year for the 14th be MMDCCLXII (2009/2762), since the coming Kalends is
in that year? I think it should, but I am not certain.



Vale et valete.


---
D. Silvius Quadratus

Salve Quadrate,

Yes, you are correct. Since you're counting down to the Kalends of
January in the next year, you use the next year.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

"D. Silvius Quadratus" <quad@...> writes:

> Salvete, omnes.
>
> When writing the Roman date and it is after the Ides of December, is it
> proper to give the year that the Kalends of January falls in, or should
> the current year be used?
>
> Example:
>
> Id. Dec. MMDCCLXI a.u.c.
> a.d. XIX Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI a.u.c.
>
>
> These are the dates for the 13th and 14th of December 2008. Should the
> year for the 14th be MMDCCLXII (2009/2762), since the coming Kalends is
> in that year? I think it should, but I am not certain.
>
>
>
> Vale et valete.
>
>
> ---
> D. Silvius Quadratus

Maior Quadrato sal:
here is the link to articles and complete explanations about about
Roman dates in our wiki!
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_dates
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Calendar

optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior



Salve Quadrate,

>
> Yes, you are correct. Since you're counting down to the Kalends

of

> January in the next year, you use the next year.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
> "D. Silvius Quadratus" <quad@...> writes:
>
> > Salvete, omnes.
> >
> > When writing the Roman date and it is after the Ides of

December, is it

> > proper to give the year that the Kalends of January falls in, or

should

> > the current year be used?
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > Id. Dec. MMDCCLXI a.u.c.
> > a.d. XIX Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXI a.u.c.
> >
> >
> > These are the dates for the 13th and 14th of December 2008.

Should the

> > year for the 14th be MMDCCLXII (2009/2762), since the coming

Kalends is

> > in that year? I think it should, but I am not certain.
> >
> >
> >
> > Vale et valete.
> >
> >
> > ---
> > D. Silvius Quadratus
>

D. Silvius Quadratus M. Hortensiae Maiori sal.

I made extensive use of the NR wiki articles last night, as well as an
article on Wikipedia, to learn how the Roman system of dates work. The
articles were indispensable. That being said, they did not cover this
particular nuance.

With the information I learned I was able to create a script for a web
page that converts a given date into its Roman-style equivalent. The
learning experience was both fun and productive.

Vale,

Quadratus

> here is the link to articles and complete explanations about about
> Roman dates in our wiki!
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_dates
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Calendar

M. Hortensia D. Silvio spd;
that's great to hear, so many people don't realize all the fine
material in the NRwiki

Are you active in our NRwiki group? Please join if you're not, we
need able cives like you:)
optime vale
Maior

> I made extensive use of the NR wiki articles last night, as well

as an

> article on Wikipedia, to learn how the Roman system of dates work.

The

> articles were indispensable. That being said, they did not cover

this

> particular nuance.
>
> With the information I learned I was able to create a script for a

web

> page that converts a given date into its Roman-style equivalent.

The

> learning experience was both fun and productive.
>
> Vale,
>
> Quadratus
>
>
>
> > here is the link to articles and complete explanations about

about

> > Roman dates in our wiki!
> >
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_dates
> > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Calendar
>

VII Idus Sext C:

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos servavissent semper.

Hodie est ante diem VII Eidus Sextiliae; haec dies comitialis est:

AUC 870 / 117 CE: Death of Trajan

Today's thought is from L. Annaeus Seneca, Epistle 27: On the Good
that Abides:

Just as crimes, even if they have not been detected when they were
committed, do not allow anxiety to end with them; so with guilty
pleasures, regret remains even after the pleasures are over. They
are not substantial, they are not trustworthy; even if they do not
harm us, they are fleeting. Cast about rather for some good that
will abide. But there can be no such good except as the soul
discovers it for itself within itself. Virtue alone affords
everlasting and peace-giving joy

D. Silvius M. Hortensiae sal.

Thank you for the invitation. I have glossed over the NR main page many
times without realizing that citizenship does not automatically give you
editorial rights. I simply needed to slow down and read the ENTIRE main
page. I usually head straight for the search feature.

The NRwiki group was a great idea, and I have indeed joined.

Optime vale,

Quadratus

> that's great to hear, so many people don't realize all the fine
> material in the NRwiki
>
> Are you active in our NRwiki group? Please join if you're not

A. Tullia Scholastica Ioanni optimo suo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 


Hello Everyone,
 
I need book for Sermo Latinus class, "Le Latin Sans Peine" by Dessesard. This book is out of print and is hard to find.  If you took this class and don't need the book anymore, would you sell it to me? I prefer 2005 edition with CDs, but will consider prior years and audio cassettes. Please write me privately. Thanks.

    ATS:  Once more, I encourage everyone who wishes to take the Sermo Latinus courses to begin the process of obtaining the text, which is neither cheap nor easy to find.  The bookseller Jano contacted sent him the wrong edition, the new (and markedly inferior) one by I. Ducos-Filippi instead of the one by C. Desessard even though he specified this author in his order.  He is not alone in having been victimized by this bait-and-switch scheme.  This correct text is available in published editions in bilingual French and Latin by C. Desessard (Le Latin Sans Peine), and in bilingual Italian/Latin (title ends in the words senza sforza); the French version has been translated into both English and Spanish by NR volunteers, and is available to registered students on the class sites.  Thus this text is available in four languages.  However, once the text becomes impossible to obtain, this course will no longer be offered; there will be no opportunity to learn spoken Latin, or to become more fluent in modern written Latin.  I strongly urge everyone who is remotely interested in acquiring these skills to register for this class by its inception in mid-October; it may be the last time we can offer it.  
 
Jano
mladonicky at gmail dot com

Vale, et valete.  

 

 
 
      
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Cn. Cornelius Lentulus quaestor, legatus pro praetore Pannoniae: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, Senatui populoque Novo Romano: s. p. d.: I just inform you, Consul Tite Iuli Sabine and Consul M. Moravi, and all of you, Quirites, that I'm successfully returned to my province Pannonia. I officially thank you, Consul, for the organization of the wonderful event, and thanks to every Dacian citizen who helped you, and to all who participated from all over the world. Laster I will come up with more comments. Now I'm very tired but happy. My the gods be with you! Valete! Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, Q U A E S T O R SACERDOS CONCORDIAE ------------------------------------------ Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae Interpres Linguae Hungaricae Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae ------------------------------------------- Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis Dominus Factionis Russatae Latinista, Classicus Philologus

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Posta, news, sport, oroscopo: tutto in una sola pagina
Crea l'home page che piace a te!.

Salvete Nova Romans

I am currently engaged with a project of adding each Tribune Senate report,
for the last ten years, to the Wiki.. If anybody would like to help and you
are familiar with the Wiki please drop me a note.

Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Censor
spqr753atmsn.com

Quadratus Scholasticae sal.

You mentioned that the French version has been translated into both
English and Spanish, and that the translations will be available to
students who have purchased the materials. Will the translations be
available to students who have purchased the Italian version? I imagine
that the translation would be useful to students who purchase "Il Latino
Senza Sforzo" as well, which is looking like my preferred choice due to
it being readily available.

Vale,
Quadratus

> This correct text is available in published editions in bilingual
> French and Latin by C. Desessard (Le Latin Sans Peine), and in
> bilingual Italian/Latin (title ends in the words senza sforza); the
> French version has been translated into both English and Spanish by
> NR volunteers, and is available to registered students on the class
> sites. Thus this text is available in four languages.

Salve Lusitane,

Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> Are there any sort of bars or circuses around here?

-- Bill

Salve Lusitane,

Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> Are there any sort of bars or circuses around here?

Yes! Send a blank e-mail message to
NR_Taverna-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and join us there.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Agricola Quadrato sal.


In fact, it is not *necessary* to join NRWiki. Any citizen can create
a wiki editing account by going to their Album Civium page and
following the instructions. It is important that your e-mail address
in the Album Civium is correct, as that address will be used as the
contact address for the editing account, an important fact it a
password is forgotten.

On the other hand, there is news about updated features and current
projects on NRWiki, and it is the best place to go for help.
Importantly, I (as co-webmaster) strongly urge everyone to post a
message on NRWiki before starting any major project. There are several
reasons for this. We want to avoid duplication of effort. There is
some chance that similar work is already being done or has been done.

Also, there is a pretty good chance that I will be able to give some
useful time saving advice, especially seeing that we have a large
collection of custom templates, we have some Mediawiki extensions
installed, and we have some procedures in place related to the fact
that we carry namespaces for nine languages, and we expect that to
increase.

So while joining NRWiki is not a requirement, strictly speaking, it is
a very good idea.

Optime vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "D. Silvius Quadratus" <quad@...> wrote:
>
> D. Silvius M. Hortensiae sal.
>
> Thank you for the invitation. I have glossed over the NR main page many
> times without realizing that citizenship does not automatically give
you
> editorial rights. I simply needed to slow down and read the ENTIRE main
> page. I usually head straight for the search feature.
>
> The NRwiki group was a great idea, and I have indeed joined.
>
> Optime vale,
>
> Quadratus
>

A. Tullia Scholastica D. Silvio Quadrato quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Quadratus Scholasticae sal.

You mentioned that the French version has been translated into both
English and Spanish, and that the translations will be available to
students who have purchased the materials. Will the translations be
available to students who have purchased the Italian version?

    ATS:  Yes, but only to registered students of the Sermo Latinus courses.  Both official versions are essentially identical; the original text is the French one, which was then officially translated into Italian.  The English and Spanish translations are unofficial, done by volunteers and approved by Avitus, chairman of the Facultas Litterarum, who is a native Spanish speaker living in London.  These translations are on the course websites, revealed as each lesson is reached in the course.  We simply used the French version to produce the translations because more of us knew French than Italian, and because the French version is original, whereas the Italian one is a translation of the French.  The text alone (even with the tapes or CD which accompany it) may help with building fluency in Latin, but the course is far better, with more sound files and instruction devised by a prominent Latinist.  We teachers also answer student questions...books find that hard to do.  

I imagine
that the translation would be useful to students who purchase "Il Latino
Senza Sforzo" as well, which is looking like my preferred choice due to
it being readily available.

    ATS:  If you read Italian, that would be the better choice...and it might also be cheaper as well as more readily available.  It does have more typos than the French version, however, which are corrected in Avitus’ lessons.  

Vale,
Quadratus

Vale, et valete.  


> This correct text is available in published editions in bilingual
> French and Latin by C. Desessard (Le Latin Sans Peine), and in
> bilingual Italian/Latin (title ends in the words senza sforza); the
> French version has been translated into both English and Spanish by
> NR volunteers, and is available to registered students on the class
> sites. Thus this text is available in four languages.

 
      
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A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo suo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus quaestor, legatus pro praetore Pannoniae: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, Senatui populoque Novo Romano: s. p. d.:


I just inform you, Consul Tite Iuli Sabine and Consul M. Moravi, and all of you, Quirites, that I'm successfully returned to my province Pannonia.

    ATS:  We are glad that you have returned safely, and hope that all the others will as well.

I officially thank you, Consul, for the organization of the wonderful event, and thanks to every Dacian citizen who helped you, and to all who participated from all over the world.

    ATS:  I’m sure you had a wonderful time...we missed you (and many others) at Conventus V!  These are wonderful opportunities to meet our fellow citizens and get to know them offline, in the real world.   Like many others, I wish I could have been there, and met several of my friends.  

Laster I will come up with more comments. Now I'm very tired but happy.

    ATS:  Es juvenis; defessus esse non debes...


My the gods be with you! Valete!

Vale, et valete.  


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------------------
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus

 

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Maior Quadrato sal;
euge, that's excellent news. Do join the NRwiki group as not only
is it fun (yes!) but also you can find out what good projects to work
on. It's been one of the most gratifying experiences I've had. Not only
have I learned a lot but it's marvellous contributing articles for
all cives' benefit. So we can all learn and enjoy.
Right now I've just written a bit about Roman nomenclature for twins
and here are some articles I've worked on
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior
sacerdos Mentis

Lar
Penates
Liber
Magna Mater
Cultus Apollonis
Sol
Fortuna
Aedes Fortunae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium Primigeniae (Nova Roma)
LarariumSaturnalia
Reading list for the cultus deorum
Roman laws
Religion and law
Mens
Aedes Mentis (Nova Roma)
Venus
Egeria
Camenae
Nymphs
Bona Dea
Children (Nova Roma)
Epicurus, Epicureans
Reading list for philosophy

> On the other hand, there is news about updated features and current
> projects on NRWiki, and it is the best place to go for help.
> Importantly, I (as co-webmaster) strongly urge everyone to post a
> message on NRWiki before starting any major project. There are

several

> reasons for this. We want to avoid duplication of effort. There is
> some chance that similar work is already being done or has been done.
>
> Also, there is a pretty good chance that I will be able to give some
> useful time saving advice, especially seeing that we have a large
> collection of custom templates, we have some Mediawiki extensions
> installed, and we have some procedures in place related to the fact
> that we carry namespaces for nine languages, and we expect that to
> increase.
>
>

A.D. VI ID. SEX. C
Dies comitialis

ordinary citizens may do anything;
magistrates may hold a meeting of the comitia tributa, concilium
plebis, or comitia centuriata.
curule magistrates may exercise their judicial functions.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_calendar

L. Livia Plauta tribuna plebis Cn. Cornelio Lentulo omnibus
quiritibusque S.P.D.

Lentule, I' glad you survived the trip. I hope you got to see
Timisoara as well.

I heareby also wish to inform everybody that I, along with both
Consuls and consul Sabinus' wife Arria Carina, am in voluntary exile
in Tomis, and slowly getting sunburnt.

Optime valete omnes!

>
> Cn. Cornelius Lentulus quaestor, legatus pro praetore Pannoniae:

consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, Senatui populoque Novo
Romano: s. p. d.:

>
>
> I just inform you, Consul Tite Iuli Sabine and Consul M. Moravi,

and all of you, Quirites, that I'm successfully returned to my
province Pannonia.

>
> I officially thank you, Consul, for the organization of the

wonderful event, and thanks to every Dacian citizen who helped you,
and to all who participated from all over the world.

>
> Laster I will come up with more comments. Now I'm very tired but

happy.

>
>
> My the gods be with you! Valete!
>
>
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
> Q U A E S T O R
> SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
> ------------------------------------------
> Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
> Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
> Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
> Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
> Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
> Scriba Aedilium Curulium P. Memmii Albucii et Sex. Lucilii Tutoris
> Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
> Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
> -------------------------------------------
> Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
> Dominus Factionis Russatae
> Latinista, Classicus Philologus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Posta, news, sport, oroscopo: tutto in una sola pagina.
> Crea l'home page che piace a te!
> www.yahoo.it/latuapagina
>

Dexter Quadrato S.P.D,

> With the information I learned I was able to create a script for a

web

> page that converts a given date into its Roman-style equivalent.

The

> learning experience was both fun and productive.

Warning, in NR Calendar there is a mistake :

You can read that :

|23||a.d. VII Kal. Mar.||F||NP|| , [[Terminus|Terminalia]]
|-
|24||a.d. VI Kal. Mar.||G||N|| [[Regifugium]]
|-
|25||a.d. bis VI Kal. Mar.||G||C||
|-
|26||a.d. V Kal. Mar.||H||C||

But the truth count down is :

|23||a.d. VII Kal. Mar.||F||NP|| , [[Terminus|Terminalia]]
|-
|24||a.d. bis VI Kal. Mar.||G||N?||
|-
|25||a.d. VI Kal. Mar.||G||N|| [[Regifugium]]
|-
|26||a.d. V Kal. Mar.||H||C||

The bis sextus dies (allways on feb. 24th and not on 25th like in the
Calendar of Nova Roma) was nefastus or infaustus, like Ammianus
Marcellus tell us concerning the imperii day of Valentinianus in his
book XXVI,1,7: "When the emperor arrived in answer to the summons,
informed either by presentiments about the task he must fulfil (as
was given to be understood)or by repeated dreams, he did not let
himself be seen nexr day, nor would he appear in public, avoiding the
bisextile day of the month of February, which dawned at that time and
(as he had heard) had sometimes been unlucky for the Roman state."

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter.

Dexter Quadrato S.P.D,

> Warning, in NR Calendar there is a mistake :
>
> You can read that :
>
> |23||a.d. VII Kal. Mar.||F||NP|| , [[Terminus|Terminalia]]
> |-
> |24||a.d. VI Kal. Mar.||G||N|| [[Regifugium]]
> |-
> |25||a.d. bis VI Kal. Mar.||G||C||
> |-
> |26||a.d. V Kal. Mar.||H||C||

But there are two mistakes. The count down was wrong and the right is

>
> |23||a.d. VII Kal. Mar.||F||NP|| , [[Terminus|Terminalia]]
> |-
> |24||a.d. bis VI Kal. Mar.||G||N?||
> |-
> |25||a.d. VI Kal. Mar.||G||N|| [[Regifugium]]
> |-
> |26||a.d. V Kal. Mar.||H||C||

But I notice a second mistake because the nundinal letter is the same
letter the bis VI kal. Mar and the VI kal. Mar ! It is not possible,
a nundinum is always formed by 8 days (a week... like sing The
Beatles.)because if the calendar replicates a nundinal letter, adding
an extra ficticious day in the nundinum, the nundinae comput will be
wrong. The sextus day was bissed to avoid a February month with 29
days, but it was a real day in the comput of the nundinae.

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter.

A.D. V Idus Sex C
Dies comitialis
Sol Indiges

Today is the dies natalis, the foundation day of the temple to Sol
Indiges, an ancient Roman deity. Those who think the cult of Sol comes
from the East are quite mistaken.


Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Elagabalus and Emperor Lucius
Domitius Aurelianus were both famous for their support of cults to
Sol. But Sol is very Roman, Elgabalus means 'the baal of the mountain'
storm gods were popular in Syria as well as moon gods. Sun deities
were minor.

In winning his battle with Queen Zenobia of Palmyra, Aurelianus
stressed the power of the Roman gods. Roman Sol was Invictus.

Both M. Aurelius Antoninus and L. Domitius Aurelianus were affirming
their Romanitas by stressing the importance of Sol! Read more in the
NRwiki ararticle below!

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Sol

Salvete!

It is time to move ahead with the Key Paths project. The project page
is here: http://novaroma.org/nr/NovaRoma:Key_Path

If you have joined the project in the past, I give you my warmest thanks.

I would like to invite new people to join as we have a nice project in
hand that involves nearly a dozen elements in all of our languages.
You can read the step-by-step details on the project page. I am
especially looking for people who can work in German and Portuguese.

The work is not difficult, and you can work at your own pace. I am
available to help you learn the ropes. In fact, this project is a good
way to learn about how things like "templates" and "transclusion"
work, and how we handle linking articles together across languages. It
is also a chance to be involved with an international team of citizens.

Nova Roma citizens can join by adding their names to the project page,
and please click the "watch" tab so that you will be notified of any
changes or announcements. Contact me directly if you have any questions.

optime valete!

M. Lucretius Agricola

M. Valerius Potitus omnibus SPD.

Greetings to all Quirites from the Romans in Arizona! May Sol look
favorably on all.

Indeed, the veneration of Sol dates to a very remote period. M.
Terentius Varro (d. 27 BCE), in his "De lingua latina", mentions that
an ara to Sol was set up by the Sabine king Titus Tatius, the
contemporary of Romulus. This ara may have been on the same site as
the pulvinar Solis next to the temple of Quirinus on the Quirinal
noted by M. Fabius Quintilianus (d.c. 100 CE) in his "Institutio
Oratoria". Quintilianus believed the pulvinar to be extremely ancient
because of the orthography of the inscription on or at the pulvinar.

Gens Aurelia is believed to have been devoted to Sol. In the third
century CE, an obscure Dacian rose to become the emperor L. Domitius
Aurelianus. His family had been tenants of a senator named Aurelius,
adn they took his nomen for their cognomen. As emperor, Aurelian
defeated the rival empire based in Palmyra. Partly in celebration of
that victory and partly to honor the gens of his family's patron,
Aurelian built a magnificent temple on the Quirinal at the site of
pulvinar Solis.

Horace wrote in his "Carmen saeculare", sung at the Secular Games
under Augustus:

alme Sol, curru nitido diem qui
promis et celas aliusque et idem
nasceris, possis nihil urbe Roma
visere maius.

Nurturing Sol, shining charioteer,
who brings forth and conceals light,
born each day unaltered, may you
Never see a city greater than Rome.

(Translation by consul M. Moravius Piscinus)

For more reading, see the (somewhat outdated) "Roman Festivals of the
Period of the Republic", by William Warde Fowler (1899), pp. 191-193.
This can be found easily with a Google search for "gens aurelia sol".

Valete,
Potitus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> A.D. V Idus Sex C
> Dies comitialis
> Sol Indiges
>
> Today is the dies natalis, the foundation day of the temple to Sol
> Indiges, an ancient Roman deity. Those who think the cult of Sol comes
> from the East are quite mistaken.
>
>
> Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Elagabalus and Emperor Lucius
> Domitius Aurelianus were both famous for their support of cults to
> Sol. But Sol is very Roman, Elgabalus means 'the baal of the mountain'
> storm gods were popular in Syria as well as moon gods. Sun deities
> were minor.
>
> In winning his battle with Queen Zenobia of Palmyra, Aurelianus
> stressed the power of the Roman gods. Roman Sol was Invictus.
>
> Both M. Aurelius Antoninus and L. Domitius Aurelianus were affirming
> their Romanitas by stressing the importance of Sol! Read more in the
> NRwiki ararticle below!
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Sol
>

SALVETE!

I, Piscinus and Livia still are in Tomis and we will stay here for two
days more. Tomorrow we will visit Trophaeum Traiani the monument from
Adamclisi, build under Trajan, to commemorate the fights of the first
Dacian war.
We realy have good time together and we send to all of you our best
greetings.

I received private messages about taxes, projects and many other
important things of our daily life.
I will reply to all next week when I will return in Bucharest.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

> But the truth count down is :
>
> |23||a.d. VII Kal. Mar.||F||NP|| , [[Terminus|Terminalia]]
> |-
> |24||a.d. bis VI Kal. Mar.||G||N?||
> |-
> |25||a.d. VI Kal. Mar.||G||N|| [[Regifugium]]
> |-
> |26||a.d. V Kal. Mar.||H||C||
>
> The bis sextus dies (allways on feb. 24th and not on 25th like in the
> Calendar of Nova Roma) was nefastus or infaustus, like Ammianus
> Marcellus tell us concerning the imperii day of Valentinianus in his
> book XXVI,1,7: "When the emperor arrived in answer to the summons,
> informed either by presentiments about the task he must fulfil (as
> was given to be understood)or by repeated dreams, he did not let
> himself be seen nexr day, nor would he appear in public, avoiding the
> bisextile day of the month of February, which dawned at that time and
> (as he had heard) had sometimes been unlucky for the Roman state."

D. Silvius Quadratus C. Petronio Dexter wrote:

I appreciate your having replied. This afternoon I spent time scouring
the Internet for more information about which day was considered to be
the bis sextus. As you can imagine, there was a good deal of
disagreement. Most of the pages simply listed "bis VI" as having come
second without giving too much detail as to the specific reason. There
were a couple sources, though, that argued that it may have been
otherwise. An article from Wikipedia was the most convincing.


Wikipedia.com excerpt:

> For legal purposes, the two days of the bis sextum were considered to
> be a single day, with the second half being intercalated, but common
> practice by 238, when Censorinus wrote, was that the intercalary day
> was followed by the last five days of February, a. d. VI, V, IV, III
> and pridie Kal. Mar. (which would be those days numbered 24, 25, 26,
> 27, and 28 from the beginning of February in a common year), i.e. the
> intercalated day was the first half of the doubled day. All later
> writers, including Macrobius about 430, Bede in 725, and other
> medieval computists (calculators of Easter), continued to state that
> the bissextum (bissextile day) occurred before the last five days of
> February.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_year


The following is an interesting excerpt from another page. This author
seems conflicted as to which should come first--there is a table of
dates on his page that lists "bis VI" as coming second, but he says in
the excerpt that "day 'bis VI' must have been before day 'VI'".

> Calling 25 February "bis VI Kal. Mart." may indicate, that the leap
> day was in fact 25 February. All references I used (Grotefend,
> Bickerman, Lietzmann) say so. On the other hand, inserting the leap
> day on the same point as was the intercalary month before the Julian
> reform doesn't seem illogical. Consequently, day "bis VI" must have
> been before day "VI", which corresponds to the Roman's reverse
> counting of the days, too. But no text I've read lists this
> numeration explicitly.

http://www.ortelius.de/kalender/rom_en.php

This excerpt is in no way convincing that "bis VI" comes first, but it
does show why the matter is confusing.


Again, thank you for your knowledgeable reply. I am going to use your
suggested dates.

Vale,

D. Silvius Quadratus

A.D. IV Idus Sex C
Dies comitialis

C. Petronius D. Silvio s.p.d,

> I appreciate your having replied. This afternoon I spent time

scouring

> the Internet for more information about which day was considered to

be

> the bis sextus. As you can imagine, there was a good deal of
> disagreement. Most of the pages simply listed "bis VI" as having

come

> second without giving too much detail as to the specific reason.

There

> were a couple sources, though, that argued that it may have been
> otherwise. An article from Wikipedia was the most convincing.

Warning : English is not my native language and I was a lazy pupil.

First, what was this day ? As you know a sun year is 365,25 days.
Caesar, after this result, decided to add one day every four years.
Because 0,25 x 4 = 1. But where could he put this day ? In his
religion, he was a Pontifex Maximus, the february month had always 28
days. In the last calendar, the pontifices added, if they wanted, a
whole month every two years. Anywhere in the year ? No ! In the
ancient calendar a month, mercedonius called, was added after the day
of the Terminalia (The Feb. 23th). It is at the same place that
Caesar put the day who regulated the cycle of the days and the annual
sun's course.

And if you add a day at this place, how it would be named ?

The terminalia is the day a.d. VII Kal. Mar.
You put one day, at the same place as former Mercedonius month.
The day following is the day a.d. VI Kal. Mar (Regifugium).
And after you have the normal count untill Kalendae of March.

As you know the Roman down count. Do make like Romans !

1 Kal. Mart.
2 Pr. Kal. Mart. 29/02
3 III. Kal. Mart. 28/02
4 IV. Kal. Mart. 27/02
5 V. Kal . Mart. 26/02
6 VI. Kal. Mart. 25/02
7 VI Bis. Kal. Mart. 24/02
8. VII Kal. Mart. 23/02 [Terminalia]

It is clear and evident, no? It is Roman.

Cura ut valeas.

C. Petronius Dexter.

C. Petronius T. Sabino et eius comitibus SPD,

> I, Piscinus and Livia still are in Tomis and we will stay here for

two

> days more.

You are more lucky than was Ovid. He stayed in Tomis many gloomy
years untill he died.

Frigida me cohibent Euxini litora Ponti
Dictus ab antiquis Axenus ille fuit.
Nam neque iactantur moderatis aequora ventis
Nec placidos portus hospita navis adit.
Sunt circa gentes quae praedam sanguine quaerunt
Nec minus infida terra timetur aqua.
(Ovid, Tristes;IV,IV:55-60)

Dii secundi vobis sint.

C. Petronius Dexter.

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Salvete,

I applied for an account twice at least 6 weeks ago with no reply what
so ever (the web site does not even acknowledge that the application
was made).

Does anyone have any advice for me or should I give up on learning any
more Latin?

Valete,

C. Popillius Laenas

A. Tullia Scholastica C. Popillio Laenati quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salvete,

I applied for an account twice at least 6 weeks ago with no reply what
so ever (the web site does not even acknowledge that the application
was made).

    ATS:  You are not alone...at least three others have applied, with no apparent action on the part of the administration at the AT.  By now Saturninus should be back from Conventus, and since school is unlikely to be in session now, should be somewhat freer to attend to these matters.   Avitus and I are rather disappointed  (to put it mildly) that we have not gotten much assistance on this, and may have to take our act elsewhere.  

Does anyone have any advice for me or should I give up on learning any
more Latin?

    ATS:  Hang on in there, but keep yelling.  It might work.  Things were decidedly better a few years ago though the CMS moodle is far easier to use (once one learns how...) as well as a better instructional tool than the Yahoo lists we used to use, and requires a lot less assistance from the administration; teachers can perform a good many of the administrative tasks themselves.  What we cannot do is provide IDs to students who do not already have them, so we are hamstrung on this.  It would be better if at least the department chair could do this, but perhaps all faculty should be allowed to do so (I am the only faculty member who is not a department chair, for our faculty is larger, and far more active, than any other at the AT).  

    Soon the Sermo Latinus courses will also become enrollable, and this issue will become more pressing; students do have to acquire the text, which in the case of Sermo is becoming more and more difficult.  Avitus has another portal to register these students, then has to move them to AT; perhaps we both shall have to use that method, and obtain cybernetic assistance in order to download moodle and work on our own.    It would be a lot easier all around if the AT administration would help us; students who have the text do want to register, and may register, but are sitting on their hands waiting for Godot.  

Valete,

C. Popillius Laenas

Vale, et valete.

 
      
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Salve C. Popillius Laenas!

Our Rector C. Curius Saturninus has been absent at the Conventus in
Dacia and we have had summer holidays, but slowly the administration
of the Academia is coming back. I have contacted the Rector and hope
that your need will be seen to as soon as possible. If You get worried
please contact me privately and I will surely try to assist You.

**************

10 aug 2008 kl. 17.47 skrev gaiuspopilliuslaenas:

Salvete,

I applied for an account twice at least 6 weeks ago with no reply what
so ever (the web site does not even acknowledge that the application
was made).

Does anyone have any advice for me or should I give up on learning any
more Latin?

Valete,

C. Popillius Laenas



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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Civis Romanus sum
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
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Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
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M. Hortensia G. Popillio A. Tullae spd;
I think it's thunderstorm season in Sweden, which affects the
server Laenas. In the interim, try this at the NRwiki for your Latin:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Learning_Latin
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Latin_phrasebook
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Online_resources_for_Latin

Latin should be fun & not some kind of horrible elitist chore.
Here's a little dialogue I'm helping my local cives with:)

Ego vocor Maior: my name is Maior / Ego vocor Laenas : my name is
Laenas
Da mihi osculum: give me a kiss!

This way you will be prepared for the Gallia Conventus!
As for the paragraph below. I'm sure Avitus will stay.
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior



Avitus

> > and I are rather disappointed (to put it mildly) that we have

not gotten much

> > assistance on this, and may have to take our act elsewhere.
> >

M. Hortensia G. Petronio spd;
Samedi j'ai parlé aux consules et avec la charmante L. Livia
Plauta, Tomis reste triste jusqu' aujourd'hui! Mais ils étaient très
vifs!

It was truly amazing to speak with Nova Romans from where Ovidius
was in exile, by the shores of the Black Sea with the uncultured
Sarmatians....
dii te ament
M. Hortensia Maior

> You are more lucky than was Ovid. He stayed in Tomis many gloomy
> years untill he died.
>
> Frigida me cohibent Euxini litora Ponti
> Dictus ab antiquis Axenus ille fuit.
> Nam neque iactantur moderatis aequora ventis
> Nec placidos portus hospita navis adit.
> Sunt circa gentes quae praedam sanguine quaerunt
> Nec minus infida terra timetur aqua.
> (Ovid, Tristes;IV,IV:55-60)
>
> Dii secundi vobis sint.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter.
>

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A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano C. Popillio Laenati quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

M. Hortensia G. Popillio A. Tullae spd;
 I think it's thunderstorm season in Sweden, which affects the
server Laenas.

    ATS:  It very definitely is not only thunderstorm season, but thunderstorm week, here, but that may well have passed in Sweden.  The leaves might even be turning at the approach of autumn.  ;-)  The server is shut down in order to protect it when there are T-storms, but all seems to be well there at present.  We certainly hope so as only one week is available for doing maintenance on the Sermo courses and Rudimenta.   If we can’t get them ready for new registrants, we may simply have to skip these courses next year...or offer them via other means.  


In the interim, try this at the NRwiki for your Latin:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Learning_Latin
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Latin_phrasebook
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Online_resources_for_Latin

Latin should be fun & not some kind of horrible elitist chore.

    ATS:  When was it ever?  There is nothing either horrible or elitist about Latin.  Learning involves work, however, like it or not.  

 Here's a little dialogue I'm helping my local cives with:)

Ego vocor Maior: my name is Maior / Ego vocor Laenas : my name is
Laenas

    ATS:  I doubt Avitus would approve of this phraseology, though it is technically grammatically correct.  It’s not exactly idiomatic.  The form used on one of the sites you listed is more accurate.   


Da mihi osculum: give me a kiss!

    ATS:  Perhaps Laenas does not care to kiss you, nor perhaps anyone else whom he just met.  Generally folks prefer a longer relationship.  It’s also a lot safer.  Me, I wouldn’t proceed so directly to such a request...
 
This way you will be prepared for the Gallia Conventus!

   

 As for the paragraph below. I'm sure Avitus will stay.

    ATS:  Don’t be so sure of that.  He is pretty fed up, and a certain buddy of yours owes him an apology.  

 optime vale
 M. Hortensia Maior

Valete.



Avitus
> > and I are rather disappointed  (to put it mildly) that we have
not gotten much
> > assistance on this, and may have to take our act elsewhere.
> >

 
      
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A.D. III Idus Sex C
Dies comitialis

A. Tullia Scholastica Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salve Quirites!

The server of the Academia Thules is standing in my home and I am the one who decideds when to shut it down to protect it from thunderstorms that at my location surely would destroy it. Yes it is thunderstorm season and yes I have shut it down a couple of times during the end of July and August.

    ATS:  Indeed, we want to keep the server healthy.  It has been doing a good job.   


When this happensd it usually is a matter of seconds so I usually don't have time to send any warning to teachers or the Rector.

    ATS:  No, of course you can’t.  No one expects that; I tell the students that the server is shut down for thunderstorms, and if they cannot get access to it, they should try again.  However, is there a way for an automated message to be sent?  The shutdowns do present a problem for those who submit tests and/or homework at the last minute, but one such experience should provide enough training that they should not wait so long lest they find the server shut down.  So long as we have access sometime during the day, we can live with this.  We do, however, have to live with a very small window of time in which Avitus will be available to complete preparations for any incoming students in the Sermo courses and Rudimenta (I shall tend to much of the latter, but under his direction).  

I a living alone and have horses and saluki, further I am involved in a huge historical project (the 200 years jubilee of the Swedish-Russian war of 1809). This means that, even if I sit close to my computers for hours per day, may not be present all day. When it comes the whole staff of the Academia, teachers, as well as administrators, no one does paid for work and we usually do our best and i hope everyone undertsnad that.

    ATS:  Of course we do, but the students and prospective students do feel some anxiety when they cannot register for courses they wish to attempt because they do not have an ID...or cannot find the one they had.  The AT must have a valid e-mail address and a correctly spelled name, Roman or otherwise, for all students so that there is no confusion.  Passwords cannot be handed out willy-nilly.  

I have donated the server, at the time a new Macintosh, to the Academai and it is operating perfectly.

    ATS:  Yes, it seems to be doing quite well, and the moodle interface is a huge improvement over the old Yahoo lists we used to use, especially since it now can send messages to the students so that they do not have to visit quite so often and we do not have to write to them privately as much as we used to have to do.  


The Academai is a institution that is "driven" by voluntary work in the spare time that teachers and administrators have.

    ATS:  Indeed it is...and we faculty at least MAKE so-called spare time for it.  This is really a full-time job for us...as volunteers.  We appreciate your tending of the server, and keeping it from being fried by Thor and friends.  

Vale, et valete.  




11 aug 2008 kl. 03.45 skrev A. Tullia Scholastica:

 

A. Tullia Scholastica M. Hortensiae Caesoni Fabio Buteoni Quintiliano C. Popillio Laenati quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
  
 
 M. Hortensia G. Popillio A. Tullae spd;
  I think it's thunderstorm season in Sweden, which affects the
 server Laenas.
 
     ATS:  It very definitely is not only thunderstorm season, but thunderstorm week, here, but that may well have passed in Sweden.  The leaves might even be turning at the approach of autumn.  ;-)  The server is shut down in order to protect it when there are T-storms, but all seems to be well there at present.  We certainly hope so as only one week is available for doing maintenance on the Sermo courses and Rudimenta.   If we can’t get them ready for new registrants, we may simply have to skip these courses next year...or offer them via other means.  

 
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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
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Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae




 

 
      
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Salve Scholastica!

Salve Scholastica!

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Omnibus S.P.D.

Today's featured article on Wikipedia is the "Campaign History of the Roman Military".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_history_of_the_Roman_military


Valete!

--
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pr. Idus Sex C

The dies natalis of the temples to Hercule and Venus are celebrated

Hercules Invictus http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Hercules
Venus Veretrix http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Venus

Salvete, Quirites! It's from Governor L. Aurelius, and it's important notice about former consul Minucia Strabo. Let's pray for her! Valete! --- Lun 11/8/08, L AVR SEVERVS <luciusaureliusseverus@...> ha scritto: Da: L AVR SEVERVS <luciusaureliusseverus@...> Oggetto: [NovaRoma-Announce] Pompeia Minucia Strabo A: NovaRoma-Announce@yahoogroups.com Data: Lunedì 11 agosto 2008, 23:20 Salvete Omnes, I'd like to ask you all to keep our good friend and colleague Pompeia Minucia Strabo in your thoughts. She has been having a very, very difficult time in her personal life as of late. It would not be appropriate to discuss details, but suffice to say she needs as much support as we can offer. I do not need to go into Pompeia's contributions to this organization. She has been an integral part of Nova Roma since its infancy. She has contributed a great deal to its growth and has helped it flourish. Above all else, Pompeia is a dear and loyal friend. She always has time for anyone who needs it. She gives selflessly of herself. On behalf of Canada Citerior, Pompeia, know that we care for you and have you in our thoughts and prayers, to whichever Gods and/or Goddesses we may worship. You will be dearly missed. We look forward to your return. Valete, L·AVR·SEVERVS LEGATVS PRO PRÆTORE · CANADÆ CITERIORIS PROVINCIÆ

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M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
last night my father rushed to the hospital. When I finally made
it home after midnight I still made sure to post today's calendar
in M. Moravius Piscinus' absence.
Today my father returns home in wonderful health and this is due
to the gods' help for sure. So from this day in gratitude, I vow to
worship Venus and Hercules as my family penates for their care!

Do not think it strange for women to worship Hercules, many ex-votos
have been found attesting to women's prayers to Hercules for their
health (even ex-votos of uteruses!) Do read Prof Celia Schulz's
book on "Women's Religious Activity in the Roman Republic" see ISBN
in the wiki here:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_the_cultus_deorum
Women were only forbidden from participating in worship at the Ara
Maxima in Rome, men were forbidden from the immer temples of Bona
Dea, but they worshipped the Good Goddess too.
dii te ament!
Marca Hortensia Maior
sacerdos Mentis

>
> pr. Idus Sex C
>
> The dies natalis of the temples to Hercule and Venus are celebrated
>
> Hercules Invictus http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Hercules
> Venus Veretrix http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Venus
>

SALVETE!

Marcus Moravius left Bucharest today. In 12 hrs he will arrive home;
probably tired after the flight but with nice memories from Dacia.

For me, the extended Conventus was finished today. I enjoyed all these
days and I want to present one more time my special thanks to those who
participated.

Between 15th and 25th of August I will be in vacation with my family.
During this time I will have internet connection but it's possible to
reply only to the most important messages.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Idus Sex NP
Nefasti publici
Feriae Iovi

ordinary citizens may not commit acts of physical violence, or begin
lawsuits, and should try to avoid quarrels (but robust and lively
debate was acceptable);
slaves are allowed the day off work;
magistrates may do anything except hold a meeting of the comitia
tributa, concilium plebis, or comitia centuriata, or exercise their
judicial functions;
ordinary citizens may not do any physical labour except what is
urgently necessary and can't be postponed;
the flamines and the rex sacrorum may not see anyone doing any
physical labour, and may fine anyone they see doing physical labour.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_calendar#Dies_nefasti_publici_.5BNP.5D

SALVETE!

To the Conventus wiki page were uploaded photos. Probably the photos
comments are not the best but until the entire work will be finished,
enjoy the images from gallery:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/VI_Conventus_Novae_Romae

I received today all movies. To these, more work is necessary and
because that, until the end of the month, they will be uploaded to
YouTube.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

A.D. XIX Kal. Sep. F
Ater

Dies atri: unlucky days;

try to avoid making journeys, starting new projects, or doing anything
risky;
certain gods, including Iuppiter and Ianus, may not be named.
these days are ill-omened to begin any new project, and any new
project would necessarily begin by performing a rite calling for the
assistance of the gods. Such religious rites, beginning something new,
are not to be performed.
Normal work would still be performed on dies atri, and as part of
performing any work one performs rites for the patron deities, geni
locii, and other appropriate deities. Naturally enough, the daily
routine is also performed before the lararium.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_calendar/

A.D. XVIII Kal. Sep.
Dies comitialis

ordinary citizens may do anything;
magistrates may hold a meeting of the comitia tributa, concilium
plebis, or comitia centuriata.
curule magistrates may exercise their judicial functions.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Roman_calendar#Dies_comitiales_.5BC.5D

Salve T. Sabine,

> To the Conventus wiki page were uploaded photos. Probably the photos
> comments are not the best but until the entire work will be finished,
> enjoy the images from gallery:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/VI_Conventus_Novae_Romae

Are you sure that Romans wore so unconfortable, awkward clothes? The
tunicae, for example, while they are not Yves St Laurent style, of
course, however they seem to look like bags with holes for the arms...
in some photographs the "procinctus"(uniform of the legionary soldiers)
are truly realistics and handsome but, in my opinion, we must do a big
effort about male and female civilian clothings. The togae, even if
there's no accounting for taste, are too short, but perhaps the mode is
the Etruscian or early Republican one?

If Karl Lagerfeld is in the room, let he put one's hand up ! Or it
would be a job for a tailor civis of Nova Roma in the class of
equites...

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter.

Cn. Lentulus C. Petronio sal.

>>> Are you sure that Romans wore so unconfortable, awkward clothes? <<<

Official clothing in imperial times, was unconfortable, yes, but not awkward but grandiose, in my view. Everyday clothing, however, wasn't unconfortable.

>>> The tunicae, for example, while they are not Yves St Laurent style, of course, however they seem to look like bags with holes for the arms... <<<

Because they are. Look:

http://www.romancoins.info/0708%20bronze%20(13).JPG
http://www.csulb.edu/~dhood/graphics/tunicpix.pdf

Especially the other one is from which you can see the shape.

There is a tunica shape in the bottom of this page:

http://www.csulb.edu/~dhood/graphics/tunicpix.pdf

You will see, some types of the tunica are indeed bags with holes. There were other types, too, but this is the most official one.

>>> The togae, even if there's no accounting for taste, are too short, but perhaps the mode is the Etruscian or early Republican one? <<<

There were more variants present at the Conventus. This is the large so called imperial toga:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Image:Lentulus_plauta.jpg

though in this picture the draping is not the best, in my yahoo profile you can see a perfect draping.

These two besides me are so called republican ones, woren by our consuls.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Image:Group_ritual.jpg
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Image:Ritual_participants.jpg

Though, verum ut fatear, M. Piscinus wears a Indian sari, but it is almost the same as the toga. The second picture is also early etruscan type or republican Roman.

And this blue is not a toga at all, but a pallium, worn at daily life as unofficial clothes:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Image:Lentulus_sabinus_densus.jpg



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Salve T. Sabine,
 
> To the Conventus wiki page were uploaded photos. Probably the photos
> comments are not the best but until the entire work will be finished,
> enjoy the images from gallery:
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/VI_Conventus_Novae_Romae  

Are you sure that Romans wore so unconfortable, awkward clothes?

    ATS:  Well, they didn’t wear the modern ones which appeared in several of the photographs.  


The
tunicae, for example, while they are not Yves St Laurent style, of
course, however they seem to look like bags with holes for the arms...

    ATS:  And that is how Roman tunicae were made.  They look like giant woolen pillowcases with openings for the head at the top and for the arms at the sides.  There is also a T-shaped version which appears in Egypt and elsewhere.  If you can find a copy of anything on this subject by Léon Heuzey you will find that that is how ancient clothing was made, for it is based on what is called the draped tradition rather than the tailored tradition used in most Western clothing, and has a minimum of cutting and sewing involved in its construction.  Heuzey’s Histoire du Costume Antique, which I own, has a fine discussion on the toga, but most of the book deals with Greek attire.  You might also want to consult A.T. Croom, Roman Clothing and Fashion, and Sebesta and Bonfante’s The World of Roman Costume.


 
in some photographs the "procinctus"(uniform of the legionary soldiers)
are truly realistics and handsome but, in my opinion, we  must do a big
effort about male and female civilian clothings. The togae, even if
there's no accounting for taste, are too short, but perhaps the mode is
the Etruscian or early Republican one?  

    ATS:  The togae in the pictures were longer than the Etruscan mode, and probably all were longer than the Republican one.  They were also draped in the Imperial style, though NR is based on the Republican period.  The only garment which appeared too short to me was Plauta’s tunica, which was short enough to pass for that of a slave, though even female slaves would normally wear longer ones, perhaps calf-length.  Perhaps she does not like long skirts, or could not obtain suitable fabric.  It can be difficult to get.  

If Karl Lagerfeld is in the room, let he put one's hand up ! Or it
would be a job for a tailor civis of Nova Roma in the class of
equites...

    ATS:  We have several people here who work in such pursuits.  The Romans were hung up to the ceiling on social status and on having it marked by their clothing and accessories, but the highest value seems to go to the dutiful matron’s work in spinning and weaving the cloth, and in making the garments.  Yves might not have done well there.  

    I think you will find that Roman citizens and reenactors do the best they can with the information and materials available to them; they are not aiming for haute couture, but for being reasonably accurate.  

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter.

Vale, et valete.

 
      
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C. Petronius Cn. Lentulo s.p.d.,

> Official clothing in imperial times, was unconfortable, yes, but

not awkward but grandiose, in my view. Everyday clothing, however,
wasn't unconfortable.

Yes, I know that farmers and working men outside will work softly
undressed, as sing Vergilius in Georgica. Principally because clothes
was uncomfortable for manual worker's jobs. But I know also some
drawings at Pompei, Herculanum, I saw the August Ara Pacis, with all
the imperial familly "march" at Rome and no one has a bag under him.
The draped clothes are cute, they wear large tunics well pleats, the
size give some honourability, none detail offends the eyes. Is a
beautiful family in which male and female, older and younger, are
perfectly and cute dressed.

Yes it is the imperial period, but very early. The emperor August
born during the consulate of Cicero and the conjuration of Catiline.
But what period of the Roman Republic we reenact? The very early with
Coriolan and Scaevola, the middle with Scipio and the brothers
Gracchi or the last years of the Republic, the Cicero, Cato, Pompejus
and Caesar period, between the Sulla dictature and the biginning of
the imperial period? Because actually Coriolan was not dressed like
Cicero, legionaries had not the same uniform in time of the Etruscan
wars, Samnit wars, Punic wars, the first civil war between Marius and
Sulla, and so one... According the photographs I seen in your
province, the legionaries look like the legionaries of the period of
the Republic ending, like in the stele of Domitius.

> You will see, some types of the tunica are indeed bags with holes.

There were other types, too, but this is the most official one.

Ok. It is good to have a model to follow. But why to choose a tunica
so "primitive" so "raw"? Are we all Catónes ? I know, it is possible,
that my way to be critical in many things can shaw me like a sort of
old grouch, but I was educated in the famous "Cartesian doubt". I
search always to know before to act. It is not to be unpleasant.

> in my yahoo profile you can see a perfect draping.

Yes, I saw you in many short movies draped in a nice white toge. You
well wear the toge.

I suppose it is difficult to reanact the Roman clothings. I know it
is not easy. I, for exemple, am not able to find my own toga. I learn
the "ars togae gerendae" with my sheets. But they are very too short.

I saw the file with the different and complex maesurements of the
Nova Roman toga, but I have one drawing in the vulgar French
book "Guide Romain antique" which offers a more plain toga with 6,50m
long and 2,50m large, in a half-circular form. Truly simple.

Cúrá ut valeás.

C. Petrónius Dexter.

Salvete omnes,
I had all my paistaikingly reconstructed and historically accurate
roman clothes at the conventus and of course what gets posted is
photos of me in an undertunic! When the photos were taken it was a
stifling hot day, we had just come out of the roman bath, and consul
Piscinus had been telling me I was dressed too formally. So I decided
to dispense with formality and just wore the palla over the
undertunic, but those are not my best looks!
The tunic I wore is a tunica intima, supposed to be worn under
another tunic or a stola. You can see my stola in the picture where
I'm setting up my objects for sale, and you can see the whole outfit,
with me capite velato, in the ceremony photos.

For Petronius Dexter: roman clothes are not uncomfortable at all!
In fact I wish I could wear them all the time! (Of course being a
woman I don't have to wear a toga, which is a huge advantage).

Draped clothes insulate much better than tailored ones, they look
good on everybody even if their figure is less than perfect, and they
will still fit even if you gain or lose a lot of weight.
The palla may not seem a very rational wear, but draping it over my
head saved me from sunstroke once already, and it doubles as a sheet
(if linen) or a blanket (if wool). During the conventus mine served
me in more ways than one.

Dexter, if you need a toga I have a pure wool one for sale. It's not
cut to measure yet, so it can be an imperial toga for a slim or short
guy, or a republican one for a stockier built man.

Valete omnes,
L. Livia Plauta

> > ATS: The togae in the pictures were longer than the Etruscan

mode, and

> > probably all were longer than the Republican one. They were also

draped in

> > the Imperial style, though NR is based on the Republican period.

The only

> > garment which appeared too short to me was Plauta¹s tunica, which

was short

> > enough to pass for that of a slave, though even female slaves

would normally

> > wear longer ones, perhaps calf-length. Perhaps she does not like

long skirts,

> > or could not obtain suitable fabric. It can be difficult to get.
> >

L. Livia Plauta omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.

Yesterday night I finally came back to Aquincum from Tomis, but the
trip was an ordeal.
Romanian roads are terrible (an average of 50 km/hour is a very
optimistic speed estimate), so it took me two days, with a stopover
in Transylvania, where dacian citizen T. Iulius Ursus graciously
hosted me for one night.
In the transylvanian section of the route people drove like insane
(which is not usual in other parts of the country, despite what
Sabinus may tell you), so, specially at night, I was in such
continuous fear for my life that I vowed to sacrifice a chicken to
Mercurius if I made it home alive.
On the road I saw an accident which looked deadly (a truck had swept
off a car), but I finally made it home, so early next week the
sacrifice is going to take place.

Apart from the trip, the extended conventus in Tomis was a really
positive experience. I enjoyed the company of consul Sabinus and his
wife, but I'm getting used to this by now because we are after all
"neighbours".
What I felt was a real privilege was having the chance to spend
almost ten days in the company of consul Piscinus, a friendly,
tolerant, companionable man, a great conversationalist and an endless
source of information on an incredible variety of topics.

Maybe it's late now to comment on the conventus itself, but I want to
thank consul Sabinus once again for the organization, and for
providing the chance to meet so many exceptional people.

Otime valete omnes,
L. Livia Plauta

C. Petrónius A. Scholasticae S.P.D.,

> >ATS: Well, they didn¹t wear the modern ones which appeared in
> several of the photographs.

Yes I know, Hollywood peplums are far to be realistic. But I have in
front of me, in my home desk, several pictures, never Romans dressed
bags with holes for arms. One example, obiter, the statue of a Roman
with the portraits of ancestor in every hand. This Roman wears a
toga, and under the toga a beautiful and large tunic, not a bag too
tight. I am sure that ancient Roman were large draped.

> ATS: And that is how Roman tunicae were made. They look like giant
> > woolen pillowcases with openings for the head at the top and for

the arms at

> > the sides.

I am not a tailor, but I see on the statues that openings for arms
are loose-fitting. I imagine that tunic was formed with two very
large parts of fabric, the frontside and the backside one, stitched
up together except to make the large openings for the arms, with the
tunic-tails come down untill elbows. (I hope my English clear... the
matter is difficult.)

> ATS: The togae in the pictures were longer than the Etruscan mode,
> and probably all were longer than the Republican one. They were
> also draped in the Imperial style, though NR is based on the

Republican period.

Yes, but which one? Like I said to Cn. Lentulus, Coriolan, in my
opinion, was not dressed like Cicero... the Roman Republic began in
509 BC and finished in 27 BC. About during 482 years ! But one can
say the times is not the point, because during those last 482 years
the Amazonian tribes are probably dressed on the same mode with an
insensible evolution.

Nevertheless, if, according Cicero, Cato the Young, in an affected
way, looked like an ancient Roman, it is because it had an Ancient
Roman look.

> ATS: We have several people here who work in such pursuits.

It can be a good idea. We send by mail at the Nova Roma tailors our
measurements, like in the page about the toga, and after a couple of
weeks we receive at home a cute toga, the same way to obtain Roman
chooses with the cobblers. So, by economic activities, Equites, can
make money, of course, but above all reenact a Roman way of life.

> ATS: The Romans were hung up to the ceiling on social status and on

having it marked by their clothing and accessories, but the highest
value seems to go to the dutiful matron¹s work in spinning and
weaving the cloth, and in making the garments.

CPD: Yes, it is the old Roman matron virtue cliché. But, first, in
Nova Roma most of the Roman cives are not Patrician with a matron at
home, and allready at the end of the Republican period the matrons
were not so submissive at a virtuous way of life.

> I think you will find that Roman citizens and reenactors do the
> best they can with the information and materials available to them;
> they are not aiming for haute couture, but for being reasonably
> accurate.

Yes, I noticed a real enthousiasm to live like Romans lived, I
appreciate all the efforts made around all the society questions,
like choosing a Roman name, like honouring gods, like speaking Latin
and thence I am very happy to be a Nova Roman, of course ! Yes the
Nova Roman citizens are not aiming for haute couture, but between to
be dressed with bags and to wear haute couture clothings they is to
be well and nice dressed to be presentable, beautiful and to have a
noble bearing like Romans did.

Valé, A. Scholastica!

C. Petrónius Dexter.

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Avé, L. Lívia Plauta !

> I had all my paistaikingly reconstructed and historically accurate
> roman clothes at the conventus and of course what gets posted is
> photos of me in an undertunic!

It was a bad combination of circumstances...

> For Petronius Dexter: roman clothes are not uncomfortable at all!
> In fact I wish I could wear them all the time! (Of course being a
> woman I don't have to wear a toga, which is a huge advantage).

I principally thought about the tight male tunics, I saw in the
photos. Draping are good. Cn. Lentulus perfectly wears the toge, in
the photo with you, he looks like an authentic Ancient Roman, but
when in others photos he or another guy wear only a tunic they are
awkward.

> Dexter, if you need a toga I have a pure wool one for sale. It's

not

> cut to measure yet, so it can be an imperial toga for a slim or

short

> guy, or a republican one for a stockier built man.

In English measures, I am 6 feet tall (1,82m). I do not know the
market price of the toga...

Valé.

C. Petrónius Dexter.

M. Hortensia G. Petronio L. Livaeques spd;
I just created this page in our NRwiki:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Toga_%28Nova_Roma%29

This was at a NR meeting in New York City 3 years ago. You'll see
how elegant both Cato and Scaevola look, I cannot access the photo
archive, but Gn. Equitius Marinus was so impressive in his censorial
purple with his boots, Scholastica in period dress. I am in my toga,
but the angle is poor. I'll try to get better pictures in Charlotte,
North Carolina next month where there will be big meeting of
reenactors for the travelling Pompeii exhibit.

Marinus, told me for the best effect, the folds, one needs either
thin linen, Egyptian cotton, or wool challis. My toga is Egyptian
cotton & I had a very elegant drape.
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior

>
>
> Avé, L. Lívia Plauta !
>
> > I had all my paistaikingly reconstructed and historically

accurate

> > roman clothes at the conventus and of course what gets posted

is

> > photos of me in an undertunic!
>
> It was a bad combination of circumstances...
>
> > For Petronius Dexter: roman clothes are not uncomfortable at all!
> > In fact I wish I could wear them all the time! (Of course being

a

> > woman I don't have to wear a toga, which is a huge advantage).
>
> I principally thought about the tight male tunics, I saw in the
> photos. Draping are good. Cn. Lentulus perfectly wears the toge,

in

> the photo with you, he looks like an authentic Ancient Roman, but
> when in others photos he or another guy wear only a tunic they are
> awkward.
>
> > Dexter, if you need a toga I have a pure wool one for sale. It's
> not
> > cut to measure yet, so it can be an imperial toga for a slim or
> short
> > guy, or a republican one for a stockier built man.
>
> In English measures, I am 6 feet tall (1,82m). I do not know the
> market price of the toga...
>
> Valé.
>
> C. Petrónius Dexter.
>

Salvete Omnibus!

I'm having troubles with russian wikipedia. Now they wish to delete an
article about Nova Roma, so i think some good references could help.
I've tried but found nothing :( Can someone help me with it?

Thank you. T. Scribonius Agrippa.

Ave T. Scriboni,

What kind of article Russian wikipedia want to delete? The article I
rode on Wikipedia about Nova Roma is not very laudatory...

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter

Salve Petroni

That's an article i and Marcus Aurelius Celsus wrote about Nova Roma
(however, at the most part it is a translation of original english
article). I've tried to put a link on it in "micronations", but some
member deleted it without reason, so i told him "sorry, but because
you did not explained i'll revert it" and returned the link. That
happened twice and then he suggested deletion of "Nova Roma" article.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
<jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

>
> Ave T. Scriboni,
>
> What kind of article Russian wikipedia want to delete? The article I
> rode on Wikipedia about Nova Roma is not very laudatory...
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "tscribonius" <scr-agrippa@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Petroni
>
> That's an article i and Marcus Aurelius Celsus wrote about Nova Roma
> (however, at the most part it is a translation of original english
> article). I've tried to put a link on it in "micronations", but some
> member deleted it without reason, so i told him "sorry, but because
> you did not explained i'll revert it" and returned the link. That
> happened twice and then he suggested deletion of "Nova Roma" article.
>

Salve!

Please read
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Senatus_consultum_regarding_the_term_Micronation_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29

This is the text of a Senatus Consultum from 2 years ago:

"Although it may have accurately described Nova Roma at its creation,
the term "micronation" is not an appropriate label for Nova Roma as it
exists today. Therefore, its usage is to be avoided in all official
documents, and the terms "Res Publica" or "Civitas" preferred instead.
In keeping with this policy, any past official recognition of any
"micronation" by the Senate of Nova Roma shall be null and void."



Note that this does not diminish our claim to be sovereign.

Optime vale

M. Lucretius Agricola

Salve te

But there's not article called "res publica" in wikipedia ), and it is
absolutely approriate except the term i think

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Lucretius Agricola"
<marcus.lucretius@...> wrote:

>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "tscribonius" <scr-agrippa@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Petroni
> >
> > That's an article i and Marcus Aurelius Celsus wrote about Nova Roma
> > (however, at the most part it is a translation of original english
> > article). I've tried to put a link on it in "micronations", but some
> > member deleted it without reason, so i told him "sorry, but because
> > you did not explained i'll revert it" and returned the link. That
> > happened twice and then he suggested deletion of "Nova Roma" article.
> >
>
> Salve!
>
> Please read
>

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Senatus_consultum_regarding_the_term_Micronation_MMDCCLIX_%28Nova_Roma%29

>
> This is the text of a Senatus Consultum from 2 years ago:
>
> "Although it may have accurately described Nova Roma at its creation,
> the term "micronation" is not an appropriate label for Nova Roma as it
> exists today. Therefore, its usage is to be avoided in all official
> documents, and the terms "Res Publica" or "Civitas" preferred instead.
> In keeping with this policy, any past official recognition of any
> "micronation" by the Senate of Nova Roma shall be null and void."
>
>
>
> Note that this does not diminish our claim to be sovereign.
>
> Optime vale
>
> M. Lucretius Agricola
>

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Omnibus S.P.D.

Having nothing to do on this Saturday evening, I just watched the Sci-Fi television movie "Riverworld". It is basically about a planet where humans, when they die, are resurrected young and healthy. The catch is that people from all periods -- past, present, and future -- end up there together. So you have people from the 19th century, 21st century, 16th century, etc. You even have the Emperor Nero, who ends up being the antagonist of the show.
I know it's a bit of a leap, but I was pleasantly surprised when that happened. It made for a fun show, especially in a scene near the end when someone is insulting Nero and telling what history says about him. If you've got a couple of hours to kill, I recommend it for a fun movie that is lightly linked to Rome. :-) You can find it, in parts, on YouTube.

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Tucson, Arizona, US, America Austroccidentalis
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com