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A. Tullia Scholastica D. Suetonio Lupo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.




Michael P. Orley

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Rudimenta Latina et al.
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 5:39 AM
 
        D. Suetoni Lupo A.Tullia Scholastica quiritibus,sociis,peregrinisque  bonae voluntatis S.P.D.    
 
Ave Domina:

    ATS:  Sum magistra, non domina.  Nec dominatrix.  

Many thanks for guiding me to the site.  I went to Facultas Litteratum and located the Course    LL-P-1 Rudimenta.  

   ATS:  Optime!  That’s a step in the right direction.  


I was unable to register, I think, because I don't have my  Student ID as you had mentioned before.

   ATS:  Yes, you have to have the  ID.  

 So I sent an e-mail to Saturninus asking him to provide my student ID and help navigate the Labyrinth to
register for the course.

    ATS:  Well, it’s not QUITE as bad as the labyrinth...and there are no minotauri waiting for the unwary.  Just some homework and exams...

One other thing, I might mention, when I took your course the first time, I encountered the same confusion to find the actual lessons on the AT website.

    ATS:  The actual lessons on the CMS sites now used by AT are in the center column.  So are the homework assignments; you just have to scroll down to the relevant place.  The weekly format I use for Grammatica I and Grammatica II have the posts on the right side, and the topic format used in Rudimenta and the Sermo classes has these in the center.  However, all posts are supposed to be sent to the mailboxes of everyone who is registered, so that should not be a problem.  On the left hand side of the page, you will find the list of students and some other information, including a list of courses for which you are registered.  You can click on that from any course for which you are registered and access any other one, and can access the main AT page from the top bar of the page.  This is a very nice system, one far superior to the Yahoo lists we used to use, though navigation is at first a bit difficult.  


So one I get registered, I'll be spending a lot of " recon time" finding my way around the site, so that I won't be late on assignments :>

    ATS:  Fortunately for you and the others, there are no written assignments in Rudimenta, just a timed final exam.  However, the students must read and absorb material onsite written by Avitus as well as their textbook, and post once every three weeks.  Each trimester of the course has a separate forum, and the preceding one is closed at the end of each three-week period.  Those who have not posted are then removed from the class list.  Typically, half of the class fails to post during the first three weeks, and is removed, but in the past the class has been much larger than this one is to date.  Another large group fails to post during the second trimester, and is removed; others fail to do so in the third trimester, and likewise, are removed.  A final opportunity to bail out is offered just before the exam, for no one may re-take this examination.  

So at this point, I'm waiting to hear from Saturninus: I'm really looking forward to studying this course and hope that the Computer Lares et Penares will help out :>

    ATS:  I am glad to see that Saturninus has indeed corrected the information on the study guide section of the AT site, although he did not mention that Grammatica II will have a final examination after the readings as well as a midterm after Lesson 32.  Other than the dates for any winter or spring runs of Rudimenta, and the GL II final exam, everything else there seems to be correct.  The courses are also accessible by scrolling down in the center column, but I cannot access this information as it takes me directly to the pages for my own courses.  Those who are not registered can access this, but once one registers, apparently it immediately takes one to the class site in question...a good backup if one cannot get onsite by other means.  

Please stay in touch and let me know if you her anything.  

   Okay.  Saturninus should contact you directly, however.  

Bona Noctis ( 0200 Hours here in Arizona)

   ATS:  The night was young at that hour...

Vale
D.Suetoni Lupo

Vale, et valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica



      
A. Tullia Scholastica D. Suetonio Lupo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.




Michael P. Orley

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Rudimenta Latina et al.
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 3:04 AM

A. Tullia Scholastica D. Suetonio Lupo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salve Magistra:
 
It has been a while since we have spoken: my fault, I fear, I've been on the NR site infrequently.

    ATS:  In fact, you have been so quiet that I wondered if you were still among us.  
Yes, I've been monitoring the e-mails, intentionally not taking part in some of the nastier politics.

    ATS2: One could hardly blame you for that.

Is there still time for me to register with AT for the Rudimenta Course ?

    ATS:  Certainly.  Class will begin on September 29th, though maybe a day or so later as I anticipate being at a major reenactment the preceding weekend.  
 
Domina, I went to the Academia Thules Website and re-registered again, I do not know my Student ID # number, but I did register my Latin name of decimus Suetonius Lupus is this sufficient ?  

    ATS2:  The technical details are a matter for Saturninus; we do not handle those.  What you need is your password, the one you used to access Grammatica I.  Otherwise you will have to get a new one, and that may take over a month...which we do not have at this point.  


Also, in choosing my major,  I selected Latin as my major and roman Military History as my minor.



 I've been studying on my own,but feel the structure of the basic course would be beneficial.
 
A great deal of my independant work has been from "Teach Your Self  Latin" from the "Teach Yourself" series". Also have been reading Josephus and Tacitus..English of course..

    ATS:  Good.  This course is more ABOUT Latin, than Latin itself, but there is a useful Latin vocabulary and several Latin phrases (not required for the course, however) in the text, and the last section discusses Latin grammar.  We do recommend it before taking a language course, especially for those who have not had any Latin.  Since you already have an AT ID, you may register at will by scrolling down to the proper course and submitting your name.  

I'm still largely unfamiliar with Academia Thules web site, how do I navigate to the proper course offerings and what is my Student ID ? My Latin name ? Please  Advise...

    ATS2:  If you go to the Facultas Litterarum, you will find the Latin courses and the other related ones.  This can be done from the Study Guide on the left, or from another point on the site.   You would have to access the department (facultas litterarum) and scroll down to the appropriate course; this is listed below the messages from Saturninus as well as on the left in the sidebar.  At my last check, some of the information under both of these was incorrect, but you can at least register for the courses from one or the other of them.  The student ID is again the province of Saturninus; we cannot perform any administrative chores of that sort.  We can set the dates for our courses, and do many other things which free the administrative staff from this, but we cannot register new students at the Academia or provide IDs, nor can we register students in the classes.  We can, however, remove them...

    Other than the information in the student profiles onsite, I have no idea what anyone’s ID, etc., is...

    You are not the first to indicate that you have had difficulty navigating the AT website.  

Many Thanks,

    Flocci est.
Looking Forward to learning from You..

    Let’s hope you can find your way to the course.  

Vale
D. Svetoni Lvpe

Michael P. Orley

Vale, et valete.

Et iterum vale et valete.



--- On Sat, 8/30/08, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Rudimenta Latina et al.
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 4:03 AM


A. Tullia Scholastica quirítibus, sociís, peregrínísque bonae voluntátis S.P.D.

    Reminder:  the Romans were not only good at soldiering; they were good at speaking Latin.  If you want to imitate them, you may do the same by taking one of our free Latin courses at the Academia Thules.  For background on Latin, it is advisable to take the Rudimenta Latina course.  This course covers the history of Latin and introduces a bit of the vocabulary and grammar toward the end, but this last is not required on the examination.  Rudimenta, which will begin September 29th, is a book course with no written homework; one must simply read the text and post one message every three weeks, then take and pass the final examination.  Given its comparative ease and short duration (9 weeks of instruction, about a week to study for the exam, and the final exam), plus the fact that we may not be able to offer this course again this year, I am puzzled as to why only three people have registered for this, and only one has a Roman name.  

    For those willing to take on the language itself, we offer two different paths:  the traditional, grammar-based Grammatica Latina (I and II), which covers all noun and adjective forms, along with the indicative mood of the verb, during the first year, and proceeds to the subjunctive and other goodies in the second year.  This ends in a blaze of glory, reading Nepos, Cicero, Horace and other assorted genuine Roman authors in the original.  This year I may add Caesar...  Sermo Latinus (I and II) is geared to producing oral and written fluency in Latin by exposure to its speech patterns, and is quite efficacious at that; this method introduces a great deal of Latin vocabulary for modern concepts while not neglecting the grammar.  Near the end of the second year course, students read excerpts from Plautus, Caesar, Cicero, and Fronto, inter alios.  

    Grammatica Latina I will begin September 15th; we already have eight students registered, another with the AT ID and the texts, and about three awaiting the text’s arrival; we have four in Sermo I, with another needing only the enrollment key and formal registration.  Our language courses (but not Rudimenta) require the possession of the text before being allowed to register, and the intermediate and more advanced courses have certain prerequisites.  Sermo I and the separate Sermo II will begin October 13th; Sermo I, Rudimenta, and both Grammatica courses are open for registration now; we anticipate that Sermo II will be open for enrollment in about a week to ten days or so.  Join us at the Academia Thules; learning Latin is not without effort, but the rewards are great.  

Valete.  

 

      
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A. Tullia Scholastica P. Memmio Albucio quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Scholasticae s.d.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , you wrote:

> >     ATS:  Iudicium Paridis, spretaeque iniuria formae...

The judgement here would be rather in Augustodunum-Bibrax... not
in...Pâris (risum = lol).

    ATS2:  WHAT!  No visits to the Louvre for the participants in the Conventus Gallicus?   ;-)   And are you planning on staging a beauty contest?  Methinks Cordus would have won the male division of the British one, though Astur would have given him a run for his money...   

Vale bene,

Albucius

Vale bene,

ATS

> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:Nova-Roma%
40yahoogroups.com> , Diana
> > Octavia Aventina
> > <dianaaventina@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Wow! I have to say it since no one else will: most Nova Romans
are
> > freakin' ugly....
> >> >
> >
 
      
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Salve Dexter,

Gaius Petronius Dexter <jfarnoud94@...> writes:

[about terms of office for our pontifex maximus]

> A term of five or four years? A "lustrum" or an "olympiad". But the
> lustrum was to the censors and the olympiads to the athlets.

True for both. I don't think either would exactly apply. While the
lustrum was nominally five years, it was really the interval between
censuria. Those sometimes lasted more than five years. The olympiad
is a Greek idea, and one I wouldn't want to tie any of our practices to.

Beyond saying that, I think any serious discussion of how our PM gets
chosen should take place first in the Collegium Pontificum since it is
active -- finally!! -- again. If the CP is unable to come up with a
plan for the PM, then the Senate can act as it did earlier this year
and late last year to get the CP going.

> I would
> like to know the reasons by which Romans create this office of PM for
> life, because they actually were above all against the reminiscences
> of the Kings and their power for life. I will do some researchs.

I look forward to reading your findings.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

A. Tullia Scholastica L. Fidelio Lusitano quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

I Blocked your ISP! how! I can't remember it! As long as I Know, I haven't done anything!

    ATS:  Perhaps your ISP did.  I have mentioned this several times to you, for inter alia, you cannot register in Latin class unless I can access your e-mail.  Likewise, you could not be informed why your posts were rejected when I was praetrix last year (or previously, when I was praetorian scriba); every time I tried to reach you privately, I got a bounce notice saying  that my ISP was blocked.  That is not a good thing to do, or a wise one.  Unless this is corrected, you cannot register for Latin, or receive homework corrections if you do register, or receive other little donations from the praeceptrix.  If I am to receive the circenses subscriptions (which may not be the case), you cannot register for those, either.  You appear to be the only citizen with this problem, so perhaps you should ask about it; I have had other students in your country, and no such difficulty has presented itself in their cases.  


 
LVSITANVS.SPD.

Vale, et valete.  


De: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cópia:
Data: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:25:03 -0400
Assunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] About the Ludi Romani

A. Tullia Scholastica L. Fid. Lusitano quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salvete Omnes!

I'm intending to enroll in the Ludi Romani with my chariot Lightning II! when are subscriptions open?

    ATS:  We will have the ludi circenses if and when the cohors member responsible for race calculations appears.  Many cohors members are missing, and this one had a serious injury a while ago.  It happens that this is a major holiday weekend in the US and Canada (Happy Canada Day to our Canadian citizens!), so it is hardly surprising that not everyone is available at the drop of a hat.  

    Remember, too, that unless someone else accepts the subscriptions, you cannot enter because you have blocked my ISP...

Valete,

LVC.FID.LVSITANVS.SPD

Vale, et valete.  

      
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Scholasticae s.d.

>ATS: WHAT! No visits to the Louvre for the participants in the

Conventus Gallicus?

Not this time ! We will try to host a conventus, not a Tour de France
by bus...! And this will let other interesting things for you to
visit the next times. This said, we can arrange to shedule some extra-
conventus program, for it would be a shame coming in France for just
a small week.

>ATS: are you planning on staging a beauty contest? Methinks Cordus

would have won the male division of the British one, though Astur
would have given him a run for his money...

We Galli will let you all Matronae decide. I would be a very bad
judge, and would be so corrupted to give any possible award to any
novus romanus who would decide to honor us with his presence. ;-)

Vale bene,


Albucius
leg. pp. Galliae

Maior Dextro Equitio Quiritibusque spd;

Among the priests I know our consul, Sabinus is very active in Dacia,
and Lentulus in Pannonia, Aurelianus is active in America
Austrorientalis, so they are working in their real life communities.
Piscinus we know is great, and Modianus before he started divinity
school nearly killed himself trying to get rid of the horrible
deadlock in the CP.

There are 2 cultores where I live, and I have the benefit of a 1st
class university library & read languages so I see my duties as
sacerdos Mentis to write NRwiki articles & post online to help all the
cultores have the benefit of the latest scholarship.

M. Lucretius Agricola our webmaster, is a terrific and modest cultor,
as he supplies the platform, articles, and patient help and advice to
make it possible to spread the Religio and the latest scholarship,
upload pictures, so much....

Varro, amice you are behind the research that women were
not 'priests.' Epigraphy and scholarship is changing that.

Women were important priestesses: 'sacerdotes' and flaminicas. The
best book on this is by Prof Celia Schultz of Yale University. Being
an augur or pontiff had nothing to do with being male but rather
politics.
Our Pontiff Modianus had a great discussion of this in 'Aquila' and
here
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/In_defense_of_women_pontifices_%28Nova_Roma%
29

Here's the reading list:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_the_cultus_deorum

And the latest book on the pontifical college is in French! by
Françoise van Haeperen
"Le collège pontifical 3eme s. a. C. - 4eme s. p. C. : contribution à
l'étude de la religion publique romaine "

The Religio has come a long way since I joined Nova Roma, the Religio
list is a place of truly thoughtful dialogue and scholarship. I'm
suffering a pinched nerve, but I had to post about this, to say that
we are really advancing. And I'd love cives like Agricola, Dexter,
Marcella to take religious offices:)
dii deaeque te ament
Marca Hortensia Maior

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Dea vos semper servent.

Hodie est pristine Kalendas Septembris; haec dies comitialis est:

AUC 914 / 161 CE: Birth of Commodus.

"This man [Commodus] was not naturally wicked, but, on the contrary,
as guileless as any man that ever lived. His great simplicity,
however, together with his cowardice, made him the slave of his
companions, and it was through them that he at first, out of
ignorance, missed the better life and then was led on into lustful
and cruel habits, which soon became second nature." ~ Cassius Dio
72.1.1

Cassius Dio, who was a senator during the reign of Commodus, reported
mostly on how Commodus had "killed a great many, both men and women,
some openly and some by means of poison, secretly, making away, in
fact, with practically all those who had attained eminence during his
father's reign and his own (72.4.1)." He mockingly referred to
Commodus as "this Golden One, this Hercules, this "god" for he was
even given this name, too," and states that "Commodus was a greater
curse to the Romans than any pestilence or any crime (72.15.1; 16.1)."


Plutarch's Roman Question 38: The period for taking public auspices
concluded after August.

"Why did Quintus Metellus, when he became pontifex maximus, with his
reputation for good sense in all other matters as well as in his
statesmanship, prevent divination from birds after the month of
Sextilis, which is now called August? Is it that, even as we attend
to such matters in the middle of the day or at the dawn, or in the
beginning of the month when the moon is waxing, and avoid the
declining days and hours as unsuitable for business, so likewise did
Metellus regard the period of time after the first eight months as
the evening or late afternoon, as it were, of the year, since then it
is declining and waning? Or is it because we should observe the birds
when they are in their prime and in perfect condition? And this they
are before summertime; but towards autumn some are weak and sickly,
others but nestlings and not full grown, and still others have
vanished completely, migrating because of the season of the year."


"Virtue will safely follow wherever the Fates lead." ~ Lucan,
Pharsalia 2.287

AUC 254 / 499 BCE: Aruntius and Medullina

"When the Bacchanalian revels were being celebrated at Rome,
Aruntius, who had from birth been solely a water-drinker, gave no
credence to the power of the God. But Dionysus cast a fit of
drunkenness upon him, and he violated his daughter Medullina. But she
recognized his relationship to her by the ring he wore and devised a
plan wiser than her years. Making her father drunk and crowning him
with garlands (as a sacrificial victim), she led him to the altar of
Fulgora, and there, dissolved into tears, she slew the man who had
plotted against her virginity. So says Aristeides in his third book
of his Italian History." ~ Pseudo-Plutarch, Parallel Stories 19


Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, 5.8.5:

"Thus for two reasons then is it right to be content with that which
happens to thee; the one, because it was done for thee and prescribed
for thee, and in a manner related to thee, a thread of destiny spun
for thee in the beginning by the most ancient of causes; and the
other, because even that whatever comes to each man is to that the
power which governs the Whole a part of welfare and perfection, nay
even of the very continuance of the universe. For the integrity of
the whole is maimed, if thou cuttest off anything, even the tiniest
fraction whatever from the conjunction and the continuity either of
the parts or of the causes. And thou dost sever something, as far as
it is in thy power, when thou art dissatisfied; this, in a sense, is
a destruction on the whole of the Universe."

Maior Dextro sal;
Cette Diane viens de Brooklyn, New York...les citoyens là parlent
une autre langue;-)
Freakin veut dire baiser. Le vrai mot anglais viens de néerlandais
moyen 'fokken' et apparu en 1475 dans une poème de latin hybridisé
avec anglais moyen: très fascinante aux amantes de latine.

Flen Flyys:
Flen, flyys, and freris populum domini male caedunt,
Thystlis and breris crescentia gramina laedunt;
Christe, nolens guerras, sed cuncta pace tueris;
Destrue per terras breris, flen, flyèes, and freris.
Flen, flyèes, and freris, foul falle hem thys fyften Eeris,
For non that her ys lovit flen, flyèes, ne freris.

Fratres Carmeli navigant in a bothe apud Eli,
Non sunt in coeli, quia fvccant vvivys of heli,
Omnes drencherunt, quia sterisman non habuerunt,
Fratres cum knyvys goth about and suuiuyt mennis uuyuis,

Ex Eli veniens praesenti sede locatur,
Nec rex nec sapiens, Salomon tamen ille vocatur.

Pediculus cum sex pedibus me mordet ubique,
Si possum capere, tokl tobl debet ipse habere.

Si tibi strok detur, wyth a round strok evacuetur;
Et si revertetur, loke tu quod retribuetur.

Est mea mens mota pro te, speciosa Magota.

Verum dixit anus, quod piscis olet triduanus;
Ejus de more simili foetet hospes odore.

Est in quadrupede pes quintus, in aequore pulvis,
In cirpo nodus, in muliere fides.

Cum premo, re retrahit, stringit con, inque sigillat,
Sub silet, ob spoliat, sed de gravat, ex manifestat.

Thus, pix, cum sepo, sagmen, cum virgine cera,
Ex hiis attractus bonus est ad vulnera factus.

Vento quid levius? fulgur. Quid fulgure? flamma.
Flamma quid? mulier. Quid muliere? nichil.
Auro quid melius? jaspis. Quid jaspide? sensus.
Sensu quid? ratio. Quid ratione? nichil.

Frigore Frix frixit, quia Tros trux tubera traxit,
Trosque truces Traces secuit necuitque minaces.

Taurus in herba ludit, et optat tangere limpham.
Rumbo murena extat Thamesia plena.

optime vale
Maior

> > Mon anglais ! Qu'entends-tu par freakin' ugly? Franchement

moches?

> >
> > ATS: freakin¹ tends to be a cleaned-up version of a word

starting with

> > the same letter which is not uttered in public by civilized

people. It seems

> > that love of Rome or of Latin does not correspond sufficiently

with physical

> > beauty in Aventina¹s opinion.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter.
> >
> > Vale, et valete.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Messages in this topic
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