--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Cases Livia <cases@...> wrote:

> From: Cases Livia <cases@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman priests and State religion
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 4:24 PM
> Salve Claudio,
> your posts recently don't make any sense (really, I
> couldn't understand the last one, even after reading it
> twice). This might be because your English is bad, but be
> careful, because you are giving the impression of being
> mentally deranged.
>
> Claudio, i tuoi post su questa lista di recente non hanno
> né capo né coda (davvero, non ho capito niente, neanche
> rileggendo). Forse č perché non sai abbastanza inglese, ma
> stai attento, perché dai l'impressione di essere
> squilibrato mentalmente.
>
> Vale,
> L. Livia Plauta
>
>
>
> "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
> <claudio.guzzo@...> írta:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Salve. Religio romana was, during the Roman ages loved
> by novaromans, christian too. Now there are roman priests
> and State religion in Vatican City and there are a lot of
> christian (i.e. roman) religions in the world: new roman
> (state) religions. If you write religio romana and think
> cultus deorum, there are too many religions now: Roma
> (civil nature) and her Gods don't need a new religion,
> but to be loved. Vale ACC
> >
> >
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Olcsó repülőjegyet mindenkinek!
> Repjegyek a legjobb napi áron akár BBP és sztornó
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>
> Salve, A. Livia Plauta
>
> I must say, that to accuse Claudio to be mentally deranged because

>
> In The Gods!
> Appius Galeriusd Aurelianus
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Cases Livia <cases@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Cases Livia <cases@...>
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman priests and State religion
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 4:24 PM
> > Salve Claudio,
> > your posts recently don't make any sense (really, I
> > couldn't understand the last one, even after reading it
> > twice). This might be because your English is bad, but be
> > careful, because you are giving the impression of being
> > mentally deranged.
> >
> > Claudio, i tuoi post su questa lista di recente non hanno
> > né capo né coda (davvero, non ho capito niente, neanche
> > rileggendo). Forse č perché non sai abbastanza inglese, ma
> > stai attento, perché dai l'impressione di essere
> > squilibrato mentalmente.
> >
> > Vale,
> > L. Livia Plauta
> >
> >
> >
> > "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
> > <claudio.guzzo@...> írta:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve. Religio romana was, during the Roman ages loved
> > by novaromans, christian too. Now there are roman priests
> > and State religion in Vatican City and there are a lot of
> > christian (i.e. roman) religions in the world: new roman
> > (state) religions. If you write religio romana and think
> > cultus deorum, there are too many religions now: Roma
> > (civil nature) and her Gods don't need a new religion,
> > but to be loved. Vale ACC
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> > Olcsó repülÅ`jegyet mindenkinek!
> > Repjegyek a legjobb napi áron akár BBP és sztornó
> > biztosítással is.
> > repulojegy.budavartours.hu
>

> > > "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
> > > <claudio.guzzo@> írta:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve. Religio romana was, during the Roman ages loved
> > > by novaromans, christian too. Now there are roman priests
> > > and State religion in Vatican City and there are a lot of
> > > christian (i.e. roman) religions in the world: new roman
> > > (state) religions. If you write religio romana and think
> > > cultus deorum, there are too many religions now: Roma
> > > (civil nature) and her Gods don't need a new religion,
> > > but to be loved. Vale ACC
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> > > Olcsó repülÅ`jegyet mindenkinek!
> > > Repjegyek a legjobb napi áron akár BBP és sztornó
> > > biztosítással is.
> > > repulojegy.budavartours.hu
> >
>

>
>
> C. Petronius App. Galerio s.p.d.,
>
> Love. What our love does with the gods and the goddesses? In my

>
> In addition, I am very cautious with the term of love in the

>
> Fortunately the religio Romana does not work on this scheme.
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
>
> ----- Message d'origine -----
> De : Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...>
> À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Envoyé le : Jeudi, 25 Septembre 2008, 22h12mn 25s
> Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman priests and State religion
>
> Salve,
> I must agree with you Claudio,our GODS truly need to be loved and

>
> In The Gods!
> Appius Galerius Aurelianus
>

>
>
> C. Petronius App. Galerio s.p.d.,
>
> Love. What our love does with the gods and the goddesses? In my

>
> In addition, I am very cautious with the term of love in the

>
> Fortunately the religio Romana does not work on this scheme.
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
>
> ----- Message d'origine -----
> De : Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...>
> À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Envoyé le : Jeudi, 25 Septembre 2008, 22h12mn 25s
> Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman priests and State religion
>
> Salve,
> I must agree with you Claudio,our GODS truly need to be loved and

>
> In The Gods!
> Appius Galerius Aurelianus
>

>
> C. Petronius M. Moravio s.p.d.,
>
> Yes, there are many forms of love, but I do not call "love" my

>
> I made some researchs about the god Portunus with a great

>
> On 292 quotes of Varro "Antiquitates rerum humanarum et divinarum"

>
> On all those quotes from the scholar Varro about the human and

>
> Of course the goddess Venus, is the exception, because she is the

>
> NB: Varro was a great Latin scholar, but, if I am not wrong, he was

>
> The stoic philosopher Q. Lucilius Balbus opinion about the best

> "Quos deos et venerari et colere debemus, cultus autem deorum est

>
> It is this way that I follow with the gods and goddesses.
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
>
>
> ----- Message d'origine -----
> De : marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>
> À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Envoyé le : Vendredi, 26 Septembre 2008, 14h57mn 21s
> Objet : [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman priests and State religion
>
> M. Moravius C. Petroni et omnibus s. p. d. :
>
> "The religious man," according to Varro, "reveres the Gods as he
> would his parents, for They are good, more apt to spare than to
> punish."
>
> There are many forms of love, and there are many Gods and

> I don't believe anyone can make generalities here.
>
> Venus, the Goddess of Love, must be wooed like a lover. Today we

> see only the statues of marble or bronze, or perhaps like the Venus
> of Antioch a statue of silver. Recall that these were once

> adorned in gold jewelry, and perhaps also dressed. Ovid, for one,
> speaks about bringing Her presents in the same way as one courts

> mistress, and thus adorn Her statues with necklaces and braclets -
> just as was found on the Venus of Antioch. There are references,
> too, of the statues, at least some, being dressed in garments. In
> one example, Juno Capitolina is said to have been presented with a
> special mantle embroidered by the matrons of Rome and I don't think
> that you can discount the possibility that it was used to dress a
> statue of Her.
>
> Juno is approached in a different way than one would approach

> for trinkets and gifts alone do not sway Her. You might call it
> love, but it is not the same kind of love to offer Juno as one

> Venus.
>
> Now Jupiter one may see as a fatherly figure and thus love Him as

> would an ideal Father. But I recall, too, how Seneca spoke about
> women lulling about the Capitolium, firmly convinced that Jupiter

> taken them as His lovers. Well, He was known to do so on occasion.
> Diana, Proserpina, and Venus took mortal lovers from time to time,
> too. Apollo chased after several women but never seemed to have

> luck with the girls. But then Silvanus, Neptunus, and Mars, not
> exactly known as loving Gods still had Their gentler moments.
>
> Varro also said, "the Gods do not want sacrifice, Their statues

> less." A perfunctary performance of a ritual, without any feeling,
> is simply not acceptable. Even Cicero, known for his cynical
> attitudes toward religion, speaks to the requirement of mental
> attitude in approaching the Gods, and that material gifts are less
> important (De Legibus 2.8.19; 2.10.24).
>
> The Lares are your ancestors, and I generally advise that people
> approach their Lares, speak to them and treat them, in the same
> manner as you would your grandparents. I have no interest in

> Ganymede to Jupiter. Instead I see Him as a Father and love and
> admire Him as I do my own father. With a certain Goddess, not

> I have had an experience which, for a lack of better words, might

> described as erotic love. Then for Juno, I didn't really come to
> appreciate Her until I entered the latter half of my life, and I
> would describe my feelings for Her as love, a very mature kind of
> love and not the kind one might have towards a mistress. With

> I have had a relationship for as long as I can remember, as

> is my family's Lar familiaris, and my thoughts towards Her has

> been as love towards a Mother. And next would have to be Mars,

> whom I have had a relationship for over fifty years now. My family
> offered me into His service when I was four. He has been my

> I wouldn't describe Him as friend, or describe our relationship in
> terms of brotherly love. Then in my family's tradition there is a
> Goddess whose name might be translated as "Most Mother," but who is
> more like Hecate or Nemesis, or even like Juno on a bad day. She

> very instructive, and can be helpful, but I wouldn't recommend
> approaching Her in any manner but with the utmost respect. Other
> deities have been important at different times of my life -

> when I was a teen, and so forth - so that I have various
> relationships with various Gods and Goddesses. They are a

> of Gods, and there is a community of men and Gods. So our
> relationships with Them shall vary as we also have with members of
> our human community. Some we may meet only briefly. Some never at
> all. With others we may become very close, even in a relationship
> that may be described as a form of love.
>
> Many Gods and Goddesses, lesser gods and goddesses, nymphae, fauni,
> silvani, Manes. Many different people who relate to the Gods, each
> in their own way to each in His or Her own way. I don't think

> can offer us a generalization of what is correct in all

> or for all cultores Deorum, or for all of the Gods and Goddesses.
> Like "love" the word "worship" can have different connotations and
> levels of meaning. As cultores we offer "worship" as that is what
> the name means, and "worship" can imply a level of love, too. For
> only a supperstitious man would "worship" a God he fears. Respect,
> adoration, sense of duty, pride in tradition are all part of

> worship, too. If you go through the ancient texts I think you find
> that these mental attitudes are what the Maiores believed was most
> important in offering worship. What you sacrifice, what words you
> speak, what motions you go through in performing a ritual have no
> significance without the proper mental attitude. Call it love or
> something else, it is our social bonds with the Gods, our mutual
> relationships rather than contractual arrangements that are most
> important to maintaing the Pax Deorum for ourselves.
>
> Valete et vadete in pace Deorum
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
> <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > C. Petronius App. Galerio s.p.d.,
> >
> > Love. What our love does with the gods and the goddesses? In my
> opinion, gods and goddesses do not care about our love in them and
> certainly prefer to be worshipped. The respect towards the gods is
> not to love them but to respect the rituals of our worship in them.
> They are countless and who loves everybody loves nobody.
> >
> > In addition, I am very cautious with the term of love in the
> religions, so many peoples indeed have suffered with all
> these "religions of love" and have burned in the faggots of the
> Inquisition's love. Because the love in god often hides the hatred

> mankind. God is so perfect, men are so imperfect, are not they?
> >
> > Fortunately the religio Romana does not work on this scheme.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> >
> >
> > ----- Message d'origine -----
> > De : Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@>
> > À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Envoyé le : Jeudi, 25 Septembre 2008, 22h12mn 25s
> > Objet : Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman priests and State religion
> >
> > Salve,
> > I must agree with you Claudio,our GODS truly need to be loved and
> not relegated to ritual who's only meaning is a contractual
> arrangement, absent of love for them.There are many who do not see
> them as a focal point in their lives, and that is fine for those

> are officials of the State, who are bound to honor them to hold
> office.All who respect the State should be required to show respect
> to them.For those others of us who see them in the loving sence,
> should do all we can to spread this understanding to others, that
> this Religio may inspire the world.
> >
> > In The Gods!
> > Appius Galerius Aurelianus
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Salve, A. Livia Plauta

I must say, that to accuse Claudio to be mentally deranged because he believes in the Gods and Goddesses of Roma, is very rude and actually, if memory serves me right a direct violation of our codes of conduct, here in Nova Roma aa pertains to the conversations posted to our board.I would advise you to treat the feelings of those whom are practitioners of the Religio Romana, with the same respect as you do with your co-religionists. To seek a better understanding of the Religio Romana would be a most welcome turn of events.

In The Gods!
Appius Galeriusd Aurelianus

--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Cases Livia <cases@freemail. hu> wrote:

> From: Cases Livia <cases@freemail. hu>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman priests and State religion
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 4:24 PM
> Salve Claudio,
> your posts recently don't make any sense (really, I
> couldn't understand the last one, even after reading it
> twice). This might be because your English is bad, but be
> careful, because you are giving the impression of being
> mentally deranged.
>
> Claudio, i tuoi post su questa lista di recente non hanno
> né capo né coda (davvero, non ho capito niente, neanche
> rileggendo). Forse ŕ10D perché non sai abbastanza inglese, ma
> stai attento, perché dai l'impressione di essere
> squilibrato mentalmente.
>
> Vale,
> L. Livia Plauta
>
>
>
> "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
> <claudio.guzzo@ email.it> írta:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Salve. Religio romana was, during the Roman ages loved
> by novaromans, christian too. Now there are roman priests
> and State religion in Vatican City and there are a lot of
> christian (i.e. roman) religions in the world: new roman
> (state) religions. If you write religio romana and think
> cultus deorum, there are too many religions now: Roma
> (civil nature) and her Gods don't need a new religion,
> but to be loved. Vale ACC
> >
> >
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> Olcsó repülőjegyet mindenkinek!
> Repjegyek a legjobb napi áron akár BBP és sztornó
> biztosítással is.
> repulojegy.budavart ours.hu

________________________________________________________
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--- On Fri, 9/26/08, Cases Livia <cases@...> wrote:

> From: Cases Livia <cases@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman priests and State religion
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 5:25 PM
> Salve Galeri Aureliane,
> I see other people already replied properly to your
> accusations. I'd just add that you should try to read
> and understand posts before replying.
> I did that with Guzzo's post: I just didn't succeed
> in understanding it. Since I never had this problem when
> talking with him in Italian, I suspected his English is bad.
> But mine shouldn't be so terrible as to totally
> misunderstand my post.
> My co-religionists are the practicers of Religio Romana,
> but I respect the practicers of other religions too (well,
> except the monotheists - I tend to lose my patience with
> those after a while).
>
> Vale,
> L. Livia Plauta
>
>
>
> Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...> írta:
>
>
> > Salve, A. Livia Plauta
> >
> > I must say, that to accuse Claudio to be mentally
> deranged because he believes in the Gods and Goddesses of
> Roma, is very rude and actually, if memory serves me right a
> direct violation of our codes of conduct, here in Nova Roma
> aa pertains to the conversations posted to our board.I would
> advise you to treat the feelings of those whom are
> practitioners of the Religio Romana, with the same respect
> as you do with your co-religionists.To seek a better
> understanding of the Religio Romana would be a most welcome
> turn of events.
> >
> > In The Gods!
> > Appius Galeriusd Aurelianus
> >
> > --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Cases Livia
> <cases@...> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Cases Livia <cases@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman priests and State
> religion
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 4:24 PM
> > > Salve Claudio,
> > > your posts recently don't make any sense
> (really, I
> > > couldn't understand the last one, even after
> reading it
> > > twice). This might be because your English is
> bad, but be
> > > careful, because you are giving the impression
> of being
> > > mentally deranged.
> > >
> > > Claudio, i tuoi post su questa lista di recente
> non hanno
> > > né capo né coda (davvero, non ho capito
> niente, neanche
> > > rileggendo). Forse ŕ10D perché non sai
> abbastanza inglese, ma
> > > stai attento, perché dai l'impressione di
> essere
> > > squilibrato mentalmente.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > L. Livia Plauta
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
> > > <claudio.guzzo@...> írta:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve. Religio romana was, during the Roman
> ages loved
> > > by novaromans, christian too. Now there are
> roman priests
> > > and State religion in Vatican City and there
> are a lot of
> > > christian (i.e. roman) religions in the world:
> new roman
> > > (state) religions. If you write religio romana
> and think
> > > cultus deorum, there are too many religions
> now: Roma
> > > (civil nature) and her Gods don't need a
> new religion,
> > > but to be loved. Vale ACC
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> __________________________________________________________
> > > Olcsó repülőjegyet mindenkinek!
> > > Repjegyek a legjobb napi áron akár BBP és
> sztornó
> > > biztosítással is.
> > > repulojegy.budavartours.hu
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Olcsó repülőjegyet mindenkinek!
> Repjegyek a legjobb napi áron akár BBP és sztornó
> biztosítással is.
> repulojegy.budavartours.hu

>
> Salve,
>
> I apologize if I in fact misunderstood your post.I felt I had read

>
> Vale,
> Appius Galerius Aurelianus
>
>

>
> Then why do you remain in Nova Roma if you have so much disdain

>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Avv. Claudio Guzzo
> <claudio.guzzo@...>wrote:
>
> > Salve Livia!
> > You wrote:
> > "My co-religionists are the practicers of Religio Romana, but I

> > practicers of other religions too (well, except the monotheists -

> > lose my patience with those after a while)."
> >
> > What "religio romana" are you talking about? You look like those

> > that fighted against christians or against pagans: who cares of

> > civil(...) war? A novaroman "lady" loves to write her hate

> > tell to others that I am a kind of naziskin, but she doesn't

> > Pax.
> > Now, Livia should know that, there is a monotheist religio in

> > are its priests and its roman state-religion (Vatican City);

> > (its pontifex, Benedictus XVI) loves greek and roman culture and

> > have a roman common language (latin), some of its practicers

> > Emperors (in the inspired age of NR) too; now, Catholic Church

> > only religio romana.
> > There is a novaroman religion in a NR mailing list too, with an

> > common language and some "priests"; it is not roman, beacuse we

> > and practice a religion in Roma looking at a mail or giving our

> > some american guru... if we are not insane or stupid!
> > Vale.
> > ACC
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> Salve.
> If some novaroman doesn't love nature, culture and their gods, why

> what roman priests do they want to talk about or worship? what religion?
> There is a list for talking about their "religio romana".
> Sorry for my english.
> P.S.: se qualche novaromano non ama la natura, la cultura e i loro

> Scusate il mio inglese
>

>
> Salve Livia!
> You wrote:
> "My co-religionists are the practicers of Religio Romana, but I

>
> What "religio romana" are you talking about? You look like those

> Now, Livia should know that, there is a monotheist religio in Roma,

> There is a novaroman religion in a NR mailing list too, with an

> Vale.
> ACC
>
>
> Vale,
> L. Livia Plauta
>

>
> Salve Claudio,
> nobody is blaming you. I just said I couldn't understand your

> To everybody else: in the italian part of his post Guzzo calls

> romana "roman superstition". I guess this shows where he stands.
>
> Caro Claudio, nessuno ti sta biasimando. Ho semplicemente detto che
> non capisco i tuoi post.
> A tutti gli altri: nella parte italiana del suo post Guzzo chiama

> religione romana "superstizione romana". Credo che questo

> sua posizione.
>
> Valete,
> Livia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
> <claudio.guzzo@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve.
> > If some novaroman doesn't love nature, culture and their gods,

> should I be to blame?
> > what roman priests do they want to talk about or worship? what

> > There is a list for talking about their "religio romana".
> > Sorry for my english.
> > P.S.: se qualche novaromano non ama la natura, la cultura e i

> dei, perché io sono da biasimare? di quali preti romani vogliono
> parlare o venerare? quale religione? C'è una lista per parlare

> loro "superstizione romana".
> > Scusate il mio inglese
> >
>

Valete
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor

Salve.
The lady who disdain for me, ("Maior" rory12001@yahoo. com rory12001
Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:48 pm (PDT)
M. Hortensia Maior Modiano Guzzo quiritibus spd;)
wrote:
MHM "yes? why are you here."
ACC: ? Where! Who? ... ? ... For courtesy?

MHM: "And did you never hear of the Roman
Colonia? Roman colonies? They existed in Germany, Romania, Britain
Syria, Judaea and naturally Africa, were there the state cultus was
practiced!"
ACC: state cultus??? was? were? May be you are dreaming some Al Qaieda's
flamen or some christian augur "converting" Maya, when you think of roman
colonies and ancient cultus deorum. It is because you are living in a
skyscreper in USA or in a modern kibbutz and you can't see all the faces of
nature and culture: cultus deorum is not only one or two religions, isn't
just a propaganda system of an old age; ancient way of loving nature and her
gods isn't the same of a secta, is it? is "roman" (syncretic and based on
roman and greek culture, with his auctoritas surviving in Roma forever) that
living religion (secta of practicers of some rites with a pontifex in Roma)
we all call catholic?

MHM: It shocks C. Guzzo to believe that in Carthage, Syria, Judaea non-
ethnic Romans were Roman citizens and followed the cultus deorum;-)
ACC: You could be a roman citizen everywhere and follow your own cultus, but
you had to be Roman to be a citizen. Cultus deorum was not a
state-religion- secta, before Caesar (and his italians) and emperors (and
their senatus-slave) , and citizenship was a family and roots status. But now
I'm really shocked: has NR a "very new" roman religio(nes? ?)? is there a NR
pontifex romanus? does he have to fight against the "usurpator", Benedictus
XVI???
The religio romana is and will be the cultus deorum practiced in Roma ,'til
the end of time, and now the only cultus publicus practiced in Roma is that
one of Vatican City, because all other religiones have (ancient?) templa but
not a State in Roma: they are roman just in some dream of an insane mind,
who wants a new (civil?) war against catholics, italians and NR historical
(Roma until Romulus Agustulus, pax deorum, etc.) values, or in this mailing
joke: it shocks you, rory, to believe that in Roma you could follow jewish
rites and you can pray Allah, even if you were and are not Roman, and you
can love and worship all (every part of) the fruits of the murder of the son
of Jovis (not only the Mind).
MHM: Guzzo, I suggest you read Beard & North vol.1. p.333 or Jorg
Rupke, "Roman Religion" or Bassiano's "Il Flaminato nelle Province
Africa." The Flaminate in provincial Africa.
optime valete
ACC: Maior, editio maior?
MHM: M. Hortensia Maior
sacerdos Mentis

ACC: Vale
ACC A. Claudius Cicero
Let me be, please, sacerdos Vaginae

> Salvete,
>
> Uh...What's the deal with this guy? Did he join just to hate on our
> organization? I'd say he's a troll.
>
> Valete
> - Annia Minucia Marcella
> Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
> http://novabritannia.org
> http://myspace.com/novabritannia
> http://ciarin.com/governor

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor

Salve Marcella,

He's a full citizen of three years standing. Much as I think he's
wrong about things, I'll support his right to speak in the forum.
He's hardly the only loon here.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@ciarin. com> writes:

> Salvete,
>
> Uh...What's the deal with this guy? Did he join just to hate on our
> organization? I'd say he's a troll.
>
> Valete
> - Annia Minucia Marcella
> Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
> http://novabritanni a.org
> http://myspace. com/novabritanni a
> http://ciarin. com/governor

>
> juste une anecdote pour montrer comment le catholicisme se rapporte et se
> comprend par rapport au paganisme
> dan mon restaurant entre autre babioles pieuses j'ai un tableau sur métal
> représentant le couple créateur d'une tribu indienne soufflant la
> prospérité sur terre
>
> ct été un prêtre venu manger ave des mais m'a interroger sur ce tableau
> qui avait retenu sn attention
>
> je lui en explique la signification
>
> il me répond: "je croyais que c'était la trinité chrétienne qui était
> représentée", et moi de dire "Oh non! je crains que ce ne soit beaucoup
> plus païen que cela!"
>
> et lui de conclure - voilà ce qui est intéressant: "CA NE FAIT RIEN, NOUS
> ALLONS BAPTISER TOUT CELA"
>
> voila comment les catholiques voient le paganisme, comme une étape
> préparatoire, une étape inférieure dans e développement spirituel de
> l'humanité que leur église va intégrer, améliorer et dépasser mais sans le
> renier tout à fait
>
> VArro
>
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> he marinus what is this right for guzzo to speak against the gods
> the religio and the priests? nobody have this right here because
> some awfull things like the &st and 2nd articles of the american
> bill of rights are not in use in NR as i know (or is Nr the same
> thing than the states?)
>
> i see here a scandal an impiety something we need a piacculum from
> the collegium pontificium and the magistrates because it is a fight
> against the honor of the Gods so something blasphemous which call
> for reparation
>
> varro

>
> Marinus, the sacred and invoilable law i follow is the respect of

>
> impity is when someone follow anothers gods that the state gods so

>
> how could the gods love our sacrifice and parayers if we accept

>
> such christian superstitio must be cutt off from the head to the

>
> odium humani generis, that is the christain crime
>
> a claim must grow from all citizens, i call you all, to your altasr

> it is such a danger for the republic when citizens speal agaings the

>
> varro
>
> varro
>

>

> Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus has a point. We have laws relating to charges of
> blasphemy and impiety. Below is the text of the decretum against

> *Note bene *part 4 of the interpretation: "*Comments, questions

> Religio and its involvement with the State, or the members of its

> are encouraged as long as these do not escalate into a general public
> disturbance." *So I guess the question is - has this become a public
> disturbance? Is there value in this discussion, o Quirites, or is

> If not, does the Collegium Pontificum wish to invoke the "blasphemy

> bringin the matter to the Senate and Praetors with the possible

> listed (*"banishment, fines, depravation of certain freedoms (i.e., list
> moderation)"*)* *
> **
> I would like to add that while I generally do not approve of silencing a
> citizen who wishes to speak his mind, there seems (to me) to be

> value in discussing whether the Catholic church has any right to

> itself as "religio Romana." This is escalating, and while we are free to
> simply ignore it, should we have to? Many feel the gods themselves

> defamed. The Collegium Pontificum is convened at the moment, I believe -
> does anyone wish to raise the issue?
>
> The test of ther decretum:
> *By this decretum, the **Collegium
> Pontificum*<http://novaroma.org/nr/Collegium_Pontificum_%28Nova_Roma%29>
> * officially clarifies the 'blasphemy clause' contained in the Nova

> Constitution* <http://novaroma.org/nr/Constitution_%28Nova_Roma%29>*

> in the Public Institutions Section, VI (a): *
> *"Magistrates, Senators, and citizens need not be practitioners of the
> Religio Romana, but may not engage in any public activity that

> blasphemes or defames the Gods, the **Religio
> Romana*<http://novaroma.org/nr/Religio_Romana>
> *, or its practitioners." *
>
> *The College of Pontiffs declare the intent of the above constitutional
> phrase to mean the following: *
>
> 1. *The Religio Romana will not come under attack with intent to

> or replace the Religio Romana as the State religion of Nova Roma;

> the Religio Romana shall not be deliberately slandered, defamed,

> with intent to undermine its position as the State Religion of

> *
> 2. *No elected official shall use their elected powers or political
> status as a means of working to undermine, remove, or replace the

> Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma. *
> 3. *No Citizen or Magistrate shall actively encourage public

> for the Gods of Rome, or actively advocate the non-practice of

> Romana no matter what their personal beliefs *
> 4. *The above declaration does not indicate individual censorship.
> Comments, questions about the Religio and its involvement with

> the members of its priesthood are encouraged as long as these do not
> escalate into a general public disturbance. *
>
> *The Collegium Pontificum hereby states the process under which the
> 'blasphemy clause' may be invoked by the Collegium Pontificum: *
>
> *Citizens, or guests of Nova Roma violating the above provisions are

> to the following action: *
>
> 1. *The College will issue a public notice to the person or

> question, informing them that a continuation of certain actions

> in a complaint of 'blasphemy' being lodged against them. Such a

> be considered a warning, under which time no official action

> Should the behavior in question cease during the following 24

> the matter shall be considered closed. *
> 1. *If the offender stops only later to resume, the 24 hour period
> will no apply and the College will be free to react at once. *
> 2. *If the offender continues past the 24 hour period, a formal
> complaint shall be issued to the Nova Roma Senate and Praetors,
> requesting
> official civil intervention in the matter. The Pontiffs will be
> considered
> witnesses, as well as any citizens who were witnesses to the

> the hearing purpose. *
> 2. *Action will be determined by the sitting
> **Praetor*<http://novaroma.org/nr/Praetor_%28Nova_Roma%29>
> * at a hearing, and may include banishment, fines, depravation of

> freedoms (i.e., list moderation) at their discretion. *
> 3. *A magistrate who violates the clause and the warning, may be

> from office by Senatorial decree before any hearing may be conducted.
> Failure of such a decree, shall mean the magistrate will not be

> sitting, but at end of his term shall immediately be subject to

> *
> 4. *A Pontiff or Priest who violates the clause shall be removed from
> office by majority vote of the College and turned over to the

> their hearing. If not convicted, they may petition for

>
>
> Valete!
> --
> "Qua(e) patres difficillime
> adepti sunt nolite
> turpiter relinquere" -
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> (Bradford Monument, Plymouth, MA)
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>
> C. Petronius Quiritibus s.p.d.,
>
> (...)
> > The construction of a Roman Temple today, is first of all a civic
> > duty, a materialization of our Values. FROM ideas expressed in
> > Internet via flow of Megabyte,TO marble, stones, columns, to follow
> > our Roman ancestors .
>
> If we want to built or restore a temple in Rome, I suppose we will

>
> I guess that is not gained in advance.
>
> What is the plan to do the cultus deorum an official religion? In

>
> > A Nova Roman Temple in Rome will be our place to meet, to discuss,
> > to feel at home. And for our Roman State will be a preferred place
> > to perform the State rituals required in our calendar.
>
> I propose this temple be the temple of the goddess Roma. Because if

>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, luciusjul25@... wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> It is not my intention to hurt any persons feelings here as well so
forgive the manner in which this statement may sound. If you do not
care for the Religio or any postings about the Religio then do not
read any posts about the Religio. Even though you excuse yourself
from being harsh their are plenty of citizens who follow the Religio
that may very well feel hurt. I, for one, am not one of them, I say
live and let live. You are entitled to your own opinion. Maybe you
are correct in saying some projects are useless and hopeless without
the rebuilding of Ancient Rome but we all know that is impossible in
this era. Unless someone has a glorious coup in mind ;-). Since that
will not be effective we have to learn to live with the government in
place there and in turn work together with them to grant us some
access to a plot of land that is unused. True, it is not going to
happen tomorrow, next week, or even next year but would you like to
live your entire life wondering " what if" instead of actually acting
on something you believe in? I, myself, have never thought in such
terms and never will because life is too short to wonder on my death
bed, "what if" and die with regret. Plenty of people believe in this
project and the more that are recruited the closer we could possibly
get to reality. The Religio is one of the main aspects of NR so that
all like-minded worshippers of the Gods can express their ideas in
worshipping those Gods.
>
> May the Eternal Gods keep you!!!
>
> Lucius Iulius Regulus
> Regional Coordinator Sodalitas ProDIIS North America
>
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "adriano.rota" <adriano.rota@...>
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:19:55
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Toooo much religious Blah Blah
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> At first I want to state:
> It is not my intention to hurt anybodies feelings here!
>
> As you are romans, don't you think you are exagerating these
religious
> matters a little bit?
> Sorry to say that, but this news group gives the impression, that
NR is
> a bunch of religious fanatics who look for an extravagant way of
> warshiping in order to be different out of frustration!!!
> What is wrong with you. If our Roman ancestors would see the
> discussions here... !!! They would start a civil war imediately
because
> almost nothing which brings the Repubic on in the future is
seriously
> discussed here.
> In the meantime, "the Roman Empire" displays an artificial
Togaparty
> Stile way of living with a website that NR has to be ebmarassed!
> And the real historically inerested and educated people of NR
present
> themself like "Jehova's Whitnesses".
> Come on Romans, get real!!! What would have happened to Rome if
they
> had been so far away. NR has to be build up. What is it today.
First
> one has to build up Rome and then maybe there is enough space to
get
> spheric.
> Don't get me wrong though, I do agree it is important factor to
have a
> strong religio in the backgound. But I do think NR is flegmatic.
> It rather scares potetial new citizens off than anyting else if one
> reads the News Group.
> And me,... I think it is soooo boring to read all this religious
blah
> blah every day. Create a new sodalitas for these matters but do not
> make people believe NR is a Church !!! Please
>
> valete
>
> C.Aqu.Rota
>

> Salvete,
>
> By the way can somebody tell me real quick how I can pay taxes or how I
> can send money to NR?
>
> valete
>