Salve,

Good job prolonging the topic(you know, the one you claim you want people to stop talking about) while simultaneously irritating some pagans, among them the current Pontifex Maximus.

/golfclap

Let's keep talking about religion in honour of our vacuous friend.

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor

adriano.rota wrote:

Salve Patruig,

You amuse me. After more than 2000 years you obviously did not
realize yet what culture means!
I have to laugh. You are funny.! Really. Excuse me please.
But your interpretation of cultural matters fitts better in a non
secularised medieval thinking found in the middle east rather than in
a roman mind!
I guess Nova Rome needs exactly that!
I advise you not to sate such comments too often, your state
interpretation is as oldfashioned as Islam itself.

You are funny man
But let us not talk about the subject anymore as it seems too much
for the openmindedness and Kritikfaehigkeit of some citzien and as I
said: There is too much talk of that kind anyway.

Have fun Maestro

C.Aqu. Dr. Pol. Wiss.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... wrote:
>
> Ercule. Did this lout just fall off the last cart of turnips?
Doesn't he
> realize that Nova Roma was founded for, among other things, the
restoration of
> the Religio Romana? This is the sort of ignorance that grinds my
grist.
> Rota, read the Declaration and the Constitution.
>
> Aurelianus
>
>
> In a message dated 9/30/2008 6:21:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> adriano.rota@ ... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> At first I want to state:
> It is not my intention to hurt anybodies feelings here!
>
> As you are romans, don't you think you are exagerating these
religious
> matters a little bit?
> Sorry to say that, but this news group gives the impression, that
NR is
> a bunch of religious fanatics who look for an extravagant way of
> warshiping in order to be different out of frustration! wa
> What is wrong with you. If our Roman ancestors would see the
> discussions here... !!! They would start a civil war imediately
because
> almost nothing which brings the Repubic on in the future is
seriously
> discussed here.
> In the meantime, "the Roman Empire" displays an artificial
Togaparty
> Stile way of living with a website that NR has to be ebmarassed!
> And the real historically inerested and educated people of NR
present
> themself like "Jehova's Whitnesses".
> Come on Romans, get real!!! What would have happened to Rome if
they
> had been so far away. NR has to be build up. What is it today.
First
> one has to build up Rome and then maybe there is enough space to
get
> spheric.
> Don't get me wrong though, I do agree it is important factor to
have a
> strong religio in the backgound. But I do think NR is flegmatic.
> It rather scares potetial new citizens off than anyting else if
one
> reads the News Group.
> And me,... I think it is soooo boring to read all this religious
blah
> blah every day. Create a new sodalitas for these matters but do
not
> make people believe NR is a Church !!! Please
>
> valete
>
> C.Aqu.Rota
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ************ **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life
financial
> challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and
information, tips and
> calculators. (http://www.walletpo p.com/?
NCID=emlcntuswall00 000001)
>

Salve,

Your "Elite University" could use a better English course.....

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor

adriano.rota wrote:

Salve,

and as a proud Roman and an Acadmic of a European Elite University,
my friend, I give a .... if you think I made a bad Impression.

What a Roman are You ? Of the feudal Tyrant sort?

optime vale amice

C.Auq. Rota

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... wrote:
>
> Try reading more than a few messages and you could probably find
out
> yourself. Try going to the main website for Nova Roma. In one
message, you have
> likely pissed off a whole bunch of cultores deorum but I can
definitely assure
> you that you have made a tragically bad impression on me.
>
> Aurelianus
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/30/2008 7:41:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> adriano.rota@ ... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> By the way can somebody tell me real quick how I can pay taxes or
how I
> can send money to NR?
>
> valete
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ************ **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life
financial
> challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and
information, tips and
> calculators. (http://www.walletpo p.com/?
NCID=emlcntuswall00 000001)
>

Salvete Omnes!

I would like to share with you my particular belief system(for those that don't already know). I'm pagan(some would say heathen), and I'm quite proud of my beliefs. I find honour in them, as well as good ideals to live up to. I have a unique faith in that I am Dual Trad, that is I follow two traditions of religious practice. I am a follower of the Religio, AKA Roman Reconstructionism. I believe in honouring my ancestors and the Gods of my ancestors who are from my Mediterranean heritage(particularly Italian and Sicilian).  But since I'm a typical American, I have a mixed heritage. So I am also a follower of Modern Heathenism, particularly Anglo-Saxon Tradition; this is in honour of my English heritage. I do not mix or blend them; I keep them separate and distinct. I hope to pass on these traditions to my children. I know there are a few others here who have a similar path.

I joined Nova Roma because I believe this organization has the purpose of bringing back the traditions of Ancient Rome as historically accurate as practical. I do not mind if other members here joined for different purposes, Nova Roma has many purposes to satisfy various tastes and hobbies. I enjoy the games, the politics(some of the time at least), the events, the socialization, and the learning of Ancient Rome and it's people. These are added benefits of my membership, the primary of which happens to be the Religio. If there are others that think the religion is a joke, that's fine. It does not diminish my faith, and it does not change my religious practice. They can be as insulting as they want, it changes nothing save my opinion of them. I do find it odd that they would take the trouble of joining and becoming a citizen.

I will say that I would rather scare off ignorant people, than to set aside the paganism inherent in this organization.

Feel free to add your perspective.

Valete
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor

adriano.rota wrote:

Salve,

and as a proud Roman and an Acadmic of a European Elite University,
my friend, I give a .... if you think I made a bad Impression.

What a Roman are You ? Of the feudal Tyrant sort?

optime vale amice

C.Auq. Rota

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ ... wrote:
>
> Try reading more than a few messages and you could probably find
out
> yourself. Try going to the main website for Nova Roma. In one
message, you have
> likely pissed off a whole bunch of cultores deorum but I can
definitely assure
> you that you have made a tragically bad impression on me.
>
> Aurelianus
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/30/2008 7:41:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> adriano.rota@ ... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> By the way can somebody tell me real quick how I can pay taxes or
how I
> can send money to NR?
>
> valete
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ************ **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life
financial
> challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and
information, tips and
> calculators. (http://www.walletpo p.com/?
NCID=emlcntuswall00 000001)
>

Agricola Rotae S.P.D.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "adriano.rota" dixit:

>
> Salve Lucius Regulus,
>
> It seems typial to only see black and white!!! How Do you know that I
> am not a strong bliever???
>
> But these web posts are 90 percent about religion. Is this NR????
>

I love this question. The answer is "no". This is not Nova Roma, but
it (meaning this forum) is *part* of Nova Roma.

Nova Roma is also our sodalitates, our other mailing lists, our
website and all the projects going on there, our several oppida, our
annual conventus in Europa and whatever else our citizens can make of
it. Anyone who tires of reading messages here could consider trying to
organize a small regional event. It is hard work, and sometimes they
fail, but it is worth trying, in my opinion.

optime vale!

Maior Rotae Agricolaeque spd;
brilliant idea! How about provincia America Austrorientalis
celebrating Saturnalia at Rota's Italian B&B!
I was thinking about this and intended to contact him...

optime valete
M. Hortensia Maior

> it. Anyone who tires of reading messages here could consider trying

to

> organize a small regional event. It is hard work, and sometimes they
> fail, but it is worth trying, in my opinion.
>
> optime vale!
>

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Fides Publica virtutem in nos addat.

Hodie est Kalendis Octobribus; haec dies nefastus est.: Fidei in
Capitolio; Tigillo Sororio ad compitum acili; sacra Cereri.

Today is the third day of the nine day Hindu festival of Navratri,
celebrating the Earth Mother Shakti in Her three forms of Durga,
Lakshmi, and Saraswati. I note this because today also saw rustic
rites for Ceres, part of a nine day fast, as is also part of
Navratri. The fast of Ceres concludes on 4 October, which is the
last day of the second segment of Navratri. Both festivals celebrate
the beginning of winter, as the Roman festival concerns the departure
of Proserpina back to Dis Pater, both with the promise of a peaceful,
prosperous, and spiritual new year to follow.


AUC 500 / 253 BCE: Temple of Fides Publica

"Goddess more ancient than Jupiter, virtuous glory of gods and men,
without whom there is no peace on earth, nor on the seas, sister of
Justicia, Fides, silent divinity within the hearts of men and women"
~ Silius Italicus, Punica 2.484-87

On this day the three flamines maiores led a procession to the
Capitol. They rode in a covered wagon. With their right forearm
wrapped to the fingers with bands of white cloth, they sacrificed to
the Goddess Fides Publica and to Honor. Afterwards a feast was held.

Rex Numa Pompilius "instituted a yearly sacrifice to the Goddess
Fides and ordered that the Flamenes should ride to Her temple in a
hooded chariot, and should perform the service with their hands
covered as far as the fingers, to signify that Faith must be
sheltered and that Her seat is holy even when it is in a man's right
hand." ~ Titus Livius 1.21

The introduction of the three flamines maiores to the rites of Fides
is thought by some to have been at a very early date. But the temple
didn't arise until the Middle Republican, by which time the flamines
maiores represented the triune of deities of Jupiter, as the
grandfather of Romulus, the father as Mars, and then Quirinus who by
this time was identified with the son of Mars, Romulus.

"By such laws Numa brought the State to frugality and moderation. And
in order to encourage the observance of justice in the matter of
contracts, he hit upon a device which was unknown to all who have
established the most celebrated institutions. For, observing that
contracts made in public and before witnesses are, out of respect for
the persons present, generally observed and that few are guilty of
any violation of them, but that those which are made without
witnesses — and these are much more numerous than the others — rest
on no other security than the good faith of those who make them, he
thought it incumbent on himself to make this faith the chief object
of his care and to render it worthy of divine worship. For he felt
that Justice, Themis, Nemesis, and those the Greeks call Erinyes,
with other concepts of the kind, had been sufficiently revered and
worshipped as Gods by the men of former times, but that Faith, than
which there is nothing greater nor more sacred among men, was not yet
worshipped either by states in their public capacity or by private
persons. As the result of these reflections he, first of all men,
erected a temple to Fides Publica and instituted sacrifices in Her
honor at public expense in the same manner as the rest of the Gods.
And in truth the result was bound to be that this attitude of good
faith and constancy on the part of the State toward all men would in
the course of time render the behavior of the individual citizens
similar. In any case, so revered and inviolable a thing was good
faith in their estimation, that the greatest oath a man could take
was by his own faith, and this had greater weight than all the
testimony taken together. And if there was any dispute between one
man and another concerning a contract entered into without witnesses,
the faith of either of the parties was sufficient to decide the
controversy and prevent it from going any farther. And the
magistrates and courts of justice based their decisions in most
causes on the oaths of the parties attesting by their faith. Such
regulations, devised by Numa at that time to encourage moderation and
enforce justice, rendered the Roman State more orderly than the best
regulated household." ~ Dionysius of Halicarnassus 2.75

Wrapping the right arm in white cloth from just below the elbow to
the index and middle finger signified the ritual purity of the
flamenes maiores as they were led by the flamen Dialis in sacrifices
to Fides. The statue of Fides may have had Her arm enwrapped as
well. She was at least clothed in a white garment to show Her purity
(Horace, Odes 1.35.21). Certain parts of the body had religious
significance, the right hand being one of the most important.

"There are also certain religious ideas attached to other parts of
the body, as is testified in raising the back of the right hand to
the lips, and extending it as a token of good faith (Fides). It was
the custom of the ancient Greeks, when in the act of supplication, to
touch the chin. The seat of the memory lies in the lower part of the
ear, which we touch when we summon a witness to depose upon memory to
an arrest. The seat, too, of Nemesis lies behind the right ear, a
Goddess which has never yet found a Latin name, no, not in the
Capitol even. It is to this part that we apply the finger next the
little finger, after touching the mouth with it, when we silently ask
pardon of the Gods for having let slip an indiscreet word." ~ G.
Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 11.103 (250)


AUC 80 / 673 BCE: The Tigillum Sororium

In the war between Rome under Tullus Hostilius and Alba Longa under
Gaius Cluilius, a treaty allowed that the outcome of the war should
be decided by champions. Rome chose the three Horatii brothers and
Alba Longa the three Curiatii brothers. Publius Horatius alone
survived the contest, and thus was Alba Longa brought under Rome.

"Horatius was marching at the head of the Roman army, carrying in
front of him his triple spoils. His sister, who had been betrothed to
one of the Curiatii, met him outside the Capene gate. She recognised
on her brother's shoulders the cloak of her betrothed, which she had
made with her own hands; and bursting into tears she tore her hair
and called her dead lover by name. The triumphant soldier was so
enraged by his sister's outburst of grief in the midst of his own
triumph and the public rejoicing that he drew his sword and stabbed
the girl. 'Go,' he cried, in bitter reproach, 'go to your betrothed
with your ill-timed love, forgetful as you are of your dead brothers,
of the one who still lives, and of your country! So perish every
Roman woman who mourns for an enemy!' The deed horrified patricians
and plebeians alike; but his recent services were a set-off to it. He
was brought before the king for trial. To avoid responsibility for
passing a harsh sentence, which would be repugnant to the populace,
and then carrying it into execution, the king summoned an assembly of
the people, and said: "I appoint two duumvirs to judge the treason of
Horatius according to law." The dreadful language of the law
was: 'The duumvirs shall judge cases of treason; if the accused
appeal from the duumvirs, the appeal shall be heard; if their
sentence be confirmed, the lictor shall hang him by a rope on the
fatal tree, and shall scourge him either within or without the
pomoerium.' The duumvirs appointed under this law did not think that
by its provisions they had the power to acquit even an innocent
person. Accordingly they condemned him; then one of them
said: 'Publius Horatius, I pronounce you guilty of treason. Lictor,
bind his hands.' The lictor had approached and was fastening the
cord, when Horatius, at the suggestion of Tullus, who placed a
merciful interpretation on the law, said, 'I appeal.' The appeal was
accordingly brought before the people.

"Their decision was mainly influenced by Publius Horatius, the
father, who declared that his daughter had been justly slain; had it
not been so, he would have exerted his authority as a father in
punishing his son. Then he implored them not to bereave of all his
children the man whom they had so lately seen surrounded with such
noble offspring. Whilst saying this he embraced his son, and then,
pointing to the spoils of the Curiatii suspended on the spot now
called the Pila Horatia, he said: "Can you bear, Quirites, to see
bound, scourged, and tortured beneath the gallows the man whom you
saw, lately, coming in triumph adorned with his foemen's spoils? Why,
the Albans themselves could not bear the sight of such a hideous
spectacle. Go, lictor, bind those hands which when armed but a little
time ago won dominion for the Roman people. Go, cover the head of the
liberator of this City! Hang him on the fatal tree, scourge him
within the pomoerium, if only it be amongst the trophies of his foes,
or without, if only it be amongst the tombs of the Curiatii! To what
place can you take this youth where the monuments of his splendid
exploits will not vindicate him from such a shameful punishment?" The
father's tears and the young soldier's courage ready to meet every
peril were too much for the people. They acquitted him because they
admired his bravery rather than because they regarded his cause as a
just one. But since a murder in broad daylight demanded some
expiation, the father was commanded to make an atonement for his son
at the cost of the State. After offering certain expiatory sacrifices
he erected a beam across the street and made the young man pass under
it, as under a yoke, with his head covered. This beam exists to-day,
having always been kept in repair by the State: it is called 'The
Sister's Beam.' A tomb of hewn stone was constructed for Horatia on
the spot where she was murdered." ~ Titus Livius 1.26


"The king did not believe that the judgment thus passed upon Horatius
by men was a sufficient atonement to satisfy those who desired to
observe due reverence toward the Gods; but sending for the pontiffs,
he ordered them to appease the Gods and other divinities and to
purify Horatius with those lustrations with which it was customary
for involuntary homicides to be expiated. The pontiffs erected two
altars, one to Juno Sororia, to whom the care of sisters is allotted,
and the other to a certain God or lesser divinity of the country
called in their language Janus, to whom was now added the name
Curiatius, derived from that of the cousins who had been slain by
Horatius; and after they had offered certain sacrifices upon these
altars, they finally, among other expiations, led Horatius under the
yoke. It is customary among the Romans, when enemies deliver up their
arms and submit to their power, to fix two pieces of wood upright in
the ground and fasten a third to the top of them transversely, then
to lead the captives under this structure, and after they have passed
through, to grant them their liberty and leave to return home. This
they call a yoke; and it was the last of the customary expiatory
ceremonies used upon this occasion by those who purified Horatius.
The place in the city where they performed this expiation is regarded
by all the Romans as sacred; it is in the street that leads down from
the Carinae as one goes towards Cuprius Street. Here the altars then
erected still remain, and over them extends a beam which is fixed in
each of the opposite walls; the beam lies over the heads of those who
go out of this street and is called in the Roman tongue "the Sister's
Beam," Tigillum Sororium This place, then, is still preserved in the
city as a monument to this man's misfortune and honored by the Romans
with sacrifices every year." ~ Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Roman
Antiquities 3.22.6-8

It would seem from legend that these annual rituals were maintained
as sacra privita of gens Horatia, but that the public was so involved
in viewing the rituals that over time this was adopted as a public
ritual, or at least paid in part at public expense. On the other
hand it may have once been a ritual purification of girls coming of
age, or a purification ritual of a returning army. In either case
then the ritual of the Tigillum Sororium began as a public ritual and
only later was a legend created to explain it.


AUC 422 / 331 BCE: The Battle of Arbela

Perhaps the most significant battle in the ancient history, because
of the results that came from it, was when Alexander matched his
phalanxes on the "Pasture of the Camels" (Gaugamela) near the town of
Arbela against the massive army of Darius III. Following the Battle
of Issus (333 BCE) Alexander plunged down the Syrian coast and into
Egypt, seizing the ports, by which he deprived them to Darius' navy
and secured his own lines of communication. This provided Darius two
years to raise a new army. Alexander is thought to have had 40,000
infantry and another 7,000 in cavalry. The army of Darius was
numbered by Diodorus at 800,000 infantry and 200,000 cavalry. Arrian
numbered them at a million foot and 400,000 cavalry, while Curtius
gives the more reasonable figures of 200,000 infantry and 45,000
cavalry. However many men Darius may have had in his army, most of
his infantry were untrained levies. In reality he had about 1,000
foot guardsmen of any real quality, and then perhaps a few thousand
additional Greek mercenaries. His real advantage was in light
cavalry, which did manage to out flank Alexander's line and attack
his camp. This, however, only took the Persian cavalry away from the
main action at the most critical moment. A gap opened in the Persian
line, through which Alexander led a charge of his Companions directly
at Darius. Darius then fled, and with him his army disintegrated.
Alexander pursued Darius until finally one of his own satraps
murdered Darius. The result won Alexander the Persian Empire and
brought Western (i. e. Greek) civilization to the threshold of the
East, and opened Indian and Southeast Asian trade to the West.


AUC 961 / 208 CE: Birth of Severus Alexander

A descendent of Alexander the Great, Severus Alexander was declared
emperor by the legions, when the Praetorians assassinated his cousin
Elgabalus. Severus Alexander became known as "the Restorer of the
World" for his good rule, following the disastrous Elgabalus.


Today's thought is from L. Annaeus Seneca, Epistle Epistle 95.3.60:

"Men say: 'The happy life consists in upright conduct; precepts guide
one to upright conduct; therefore precepts are sufficient for
attaining the happy life.' But they do not always guide us to upright
conduct; this occurs only when the will is receptive; and sometimes
they are applied in vain, when wrong opinions obsess the soul."

No. I'm just a simple Plebeian flamen who is offended by pseudo-
intellectuals who have not the sense or patience to speak less and
read/listen more. Pray to Fortuna Virilis for good fortune, man,
since it is obvious that Mens has passed you by.

And it is Padruig, not Patruig . . . ignoramus.

Fl. Gal Aur

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "adriano.rota" <adriano.rota@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve,
>
> and as a proud Roman and an Acadmic of a European Elite University,
> my friend, I give a .... if you think I made a bad Impression.
>
> What a Roman are You ? Of the feudal Tyrant sort?
>
> optime vale amice
>
> C.Auq. Rota
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> >
> > Try reading more than a few messages and you could probably find
> out
> > yourself. Try going to the main website for Nova Roma. In one
> message, you have
> > likely pissed off a whole bunch of cultores deorum but I can
> definitely assure
> > you that you have made a tragically bad impression on me.
> >
> > Aurelianus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/30/2008 7:41:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > adriano.rota@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > By the way can somebody tell me real quick how I can pay taxes

or

> how I
> > can send money to NR?
> >
> > valete
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life
> financial
> > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and
> information, tips and
> > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?
> NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)
> >
>

The province of Austrorientalis has organized two provincial events and
many local functions celebrating the fasti. The Galeri also are
protectors of the templi Neptuni in Lebanon, TN; which is open to
anyone who applies to my sister who is the custodian there.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Rotae Agricolaeque spd;
> brilliant idea! How about provincia America Austrorientalis
> celebrating Saturnalia at Rota's Italian B&B!
> I was thinking about this and intended to contact him...
>
> optime valete
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
> > it. Anyone who tires of reading messages here could consider trying
> to
> > organize a small regional event. It is hard work, and sometimes they
> > fail, but it is worth trying, in my opinion.
> >
> > optime vale!
> >
>

Salve Rota

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "adriano.rota" <adriano.rota@...>
wrote:
[snipped]

>
> And me,... I think it is soooo boring to read all this religious blah
> blah every day.

Are you referring here to my daily posts on the religious calendar of
Nova Roma?

I recall a Citizen once living in Rome who each day, on his way to work
in the Palazzio, would pass by Caradini's excavations. He and I would
chat each day, and then I would post to the ML on the latest news
before it ever reached the news services. Unfortunately Massimo is no
longer around.

But there are others who occasionaly post on other topics of interest.
I agree that we could use more topics placed into our list dicussions
than we have now. I enjoy reading more on archaeology and history,
which I sometimes include in my daily posts when the calendar doesn't
have much to offer on the religio Romana.

Then with each post I end with a thought of the day... with some
pertinent reason often times... since I enjoy philosophy. Some people,
I am told, do not like those litttle quotes, while others say it is
what they enjoy most of my posts. You can't please everyone all of the
time.

Ideally every Citizen would share their interests with the rest of us.
I know that only around half of our newest members voice any interest
in the religio Romana, which means the other half must have other
interests that they are not sharing. And some of our older members
have a wide variety of interests - as do I, besides the religio
Romana. My background is not so much in religion as it is in military
history (although not Roman military history). That is, one of my
degrees is in history, and while an intelligence analyst I was on
occasion an instructor on Soviet tank tactics and included examples
from military history. The USMA at West Point was using some material
I wrote in their training of officers on conduct under fire in combat.
Some of that seeps into my daily posts when I have the chance to write
on some battle... although even I think some of those posts get too
lengthy.

So you just never know. Try posting on something of interest to
yourself, and you might find others here who hold the same interests.
Otherwise you shall just get the same thing over again - "if you don't
like, why are you reading it?"

Vale optime

M. Moravius Piscinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lyn Dowling" <ldowling@...> wrote:

>>> I'd call the dog "Rufus," of course, but Minerva only knows how

many Rufi are wandering around this part of the world with no notion of
the meaning of their names.

Salve Lyn

I can't speak for all of the Rufi of course, but as a pet lover I
personally would take no offense if you chose such an appropriate name
for your companion. Now others may take offense that my favorite cat is
named Julia, but that is a separate matter. :-)

Vale
C. Cornelius Rufus


 

http://www.carpenteroakandwoodland.com/news/2008/our-full-size-roman-siege-catapult-for-sale-on-ebay

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salve optime,Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.

Wow!What a beautiful weapon it is indeed.The video was really great.I'm sure that the brothers in our mlitary establishment would love to be able to get their hands on this.If someone in Nova Roma were willing to purchase this weapon it would pay for itself and provide a handsome profit to boot through it's display and demonstation to the public.Dream on right?Anyway, thanks for posting this.

Vale optime,
Appius Galerius Aurelianus

--- On Wed, 10/1/08, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:

> From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman ballista for sale on e-bay
> To: romandays@yahoogroups.com, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 12:37 PM
> http://www.carpenteroakandwoodland.com/news/2008/our-full-size-roman-siege-catapult-for-sale-on-ebay
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salvete Omnes Fratres:   About 2 weeks ago, someone on N/r was asking about a blow up detail on the construction of a Roman Ballista. I researched it and found plans in an obscure web site I believe in Bulgaria. Michael P. Orley --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...> wrote: From: Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Roman ballista for sale on e-bay To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 6:00 PM Salve optime,Gnaeus Equitius Marinus. Wow!What a beautiful weapon it is indeed.The video was really great.I'm sure that the brothers in our mlitary establishment would love to be able to get their hands on this.If someone in Nova Roma were willing to purchase this weapon it would pay for itself and provide a handsome profit to boot through it's display and demonstation to the public.Dream on right?Anyway, thanks for posting this. Vale optime, Appius Galerius Aurelianus --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote: > From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman ballista for sale on e-bay > To: romandays@yahoogroups.com, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 12:37 PM > http://www.carpenteroakandwoodland.com/news/2008/our-full-size-roman-siege-catapult-for-sale-on-ebay > > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:Nova-Roma-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:Nova-Roma-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Here is a somewhat...hypothetical question for things that I am
concerned with, what would a man who is all for joining the military do
if he was a Hellenic pagan leaning in faith, and that area of the
military he really wants to join is the Chaplainry-What could or would
he should do???

Salve Daniel,

Daniel M <tombman13@...> writes:

> Here is a somewhat...hypothetical question for things that I am
> concerned with, what would a man who is all for joining the military do
> if he was a Hellenic pagan leaning in faith, and that area of the
> military he really wants to join is the Chaplainry-What could or would
> he should do???

I'd recommend you contact one of the pagan chaplains currently serving
in the armed forces and talk with them. I'm pretty sure you'll have
to be in possession of at least a Master's degree in religion or a
closely related field to qualify for the chaplain programs offered by
any of the US armed services. If you're looking to join the armed
forces of another country the rules may differ somewhat.

Once you've made contact with a serving pagan chaplain, and
established what you need to qualify, you'll want to find your local
officer recruitment service. You can call the local recruiter and ask
about this, but you should note that the enlisted recruiter will only
have limited knowledge of the officer selection process.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

I, Flavius Galerius Aurelianus, Gubenator America Austrorientalis by
appointment of the Senate and People of Nova Roma, hereby issue
Provincial Edictum XXXI for the Provincia America Austrorientalis on
the removal of two provincial regional praefects.

Appius Galerius Aurelianus is removed as Praefectus Regio Georgia
(encompassing the states of Georgia and Alabama) effective
immediately. He is released from the responsibilities, obligations,
and prerogatives of this office with the gratitude of the province
and the Gubenator.

The first section of Provincial Edictum XXV concerning Appius
Galerius Aurelianus' appointment is hereby nullified by this edictum.

Tiberius Cornelius Scipio is removed as Praefectus Regio Florida
(encompassing the state of Florida) effective immediately. He is
released from the responsibilities, obligations, and prerogatives of
this office with the gratitude of the province and the Gubenator.

Provinicial Edictum XVII is hereby nullifed by this edictum.

Given under my hand, Pr. Kal. Oct. MMDCCLXI A.U.C. (being September
30, 2008 Gregorian) in the consulship of Marcus Moravius Piscinus
Horatiaus and Titus Iulius Sabinus

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus sal.

I have been asked this question before as I live very close to Ft. Campbell.  The first section deals with Military Occupational Specialty (56M) and the second section is taken from the Army Chaplains Handbook.

Vale. 

Dexter Genio suo s.p.d.,

> Or the dog Perseus of the Paulus Aemilius' daughter. With the

touching

> tale of the daughter crying because her dog Perseus was died, and her
> father Aemilius Paulus, the future winner of the king Perseus of
> Macedon, say to his sister : Your word augurs well for me.

No "to his sister" but "to his daughter"...

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter.

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Salve

--- Em ter, 30/9/08, adriano.rota <adriano.rota@...> escreveu:
Data: Terça-feira, 30 de Setembro de 2008, 20:19

Salvete omnes,

>At first I want to state:
> It is not my intention to hurt anybodies feelings here!
>As you are romans, don't you think you are exagerating these religious
>matters a little bit?

M.Arminius: Nova Roma was created because of religious reasons. It seems odd to a newcomer, but our founders realised that they needed magistrates and patricians and else to have a decent Religio Romana. And so Nova Roma started, mainly due to the religion.

>Sorry to say that, but this news group gives the impression, that NR is
>a bunch of religious fanatics who look for an extravagant way of
>warshiping in order to be different out of frustration! !!

M.Arminius: Since people get somewhat frustrated not having a roman place and roman fellows, one can say that this was frustrating, and NR born because of this.
But if one calls the religion of the romans extravagant, could call every other religion extravagant too.

[..]

>In the meantime, "the Roman Empire" displays an artificial Togaparty
>Stile way of living with a website that NR has to be ebmarassed!
>And the real historically inerested and educated people of NR present
>themself like "Jehova's Whitnesses".

M.Arminius: I dont know about this "roman empire togaparty" of yours, but it seems to be superficial. The people here are searching for details and depth.

>[..] Don't get me wrong though, I do agree it is important factor to have >a strong religio in the backgound. But I do think NR is flegmatic.

M.Arminius: Hum, perhaps a good criticism. But I myself tend to be flegmatic as well, so NR is perfect to me. You know, the job, the girlfriend, the other things that takes time.

>[..] And me,... I think it is soooo boring to read all this religious >blah blah every day. Create a new sodalitas for these matters but do not
>make people believe NR is a Church !!! Please

M.Arminius: Not much hope here. Sure our NR could be more thrilling, with a lot of new things being made everyday (say, OMG, what about Tom Cruise in Gladiator II ! :) ), but it isnt our nature.
Besides, the religion here is seen as the basis ("the bedrock") of NR, but everyone could start a conversation about a number of topics.

>valete
>C.Aqu.Rota

Vale
M. Arminius


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Salvete Quirites and Salvete Gnaeus Moravius et Fl. Galerius!

During a turbulent start of the new year the Collegium Pontificum was
lead by Fl. Galerius from a hopeless stage of passivety and lethargy
to much more open and ambitious attitude. I hereby thank Fl. Galerius
from the bottom of my heart for his work as our Pontfex Maximus during
this hard new beginning.

I congratulate Gnaeus Moravius for being elected as our new Pontifex
Maximus, I am sure that he will continue to take important steps to
reform the Collegia and to lead the priests to a much more active
relation both to the Gods and to the quirites!

We are lucky to have these two good citizens working in the renewed
Collegium Pontificum, which now will be strengthen by six more good
citizens, Titus Iulius Sabinus, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Marca
Hortensia Maior Fabiana, Octavianus Titinius, Gaius Petronius Dexter
and Marcus Octavius Corvus!

.I wish all these good citizens all the best in their work in the
Collegium and I am convinced that hey will be a strong addition to the
highest Collegium of our Collegium,

> ITEM III: The Collegium Pontificum having met in order to elect a new
> Pontifex Maximus, the decision was to approve Pontifex M. Moravius
> Piscinus Horatianus. He shall take office beginning on AUC MMDCCLXI
> Kalendae Octobrae.
>
> The vote was on in favor of Q. Caecilius Metellus, three in favor of
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus, and four in favor of M. Moravius Piscinus.

*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae

Ave, Lyn,

> I knew what you meant. Plutarch lives on my desk, along with

Sallustius

> Crispus, T. Livius and Polybius. :-)

You have good friends on your desk. I presume that you like or you study
the Roman History. Polybius was Greek, and it is interesting to us
having a Greek point of view about the Roman History. Now I begin to
read Dionysius of Halicarnassus, an other Greek with very interesting
studies about the early Rome, he prefers to imagine the Romans as Greeks
and the Etruscs as first Italians.

Actually he put the bases, before all the other Greek historians, but
inspirated by the early Roman historians, an "indo-european" theory. He
discovered Greek words under the Latin ones. But, the Latin writers yet
had this feeling that Greek and Latin was "brother" languages.

And I like in his second book the difference that he had noted between
the Mythology Greek and the serious religio Romana. In the chapters 18
to 20 in his book II, he answered with a wise analysis at the question
of the Roman theology and the cult of the gods.

Some short excerpts :

" 18 It is not only these institutions of Romulus that I admire, but
also those which I am going to relate. He understood that the good
government of cities was due to certain causes which all statesmen prate
of but few succeed in making effective: first, the favour of the
gods..."

"But he (Romulus) rejected all the traditional myths concerning the gods
that contain blasphemies or calumnies against them, looking upon these
as wicked, useless and indecent, and unworthy, not only of the gods, but
even of good men..."

"19 Indeed, there is no tradition among the Romans either of Caelus
being castrated by his own sons or of Saturn destroying his own
offspring to secure himself from their attempts or of Jupiter dethroning
Saturn..."

"And one will see among them (Romans), even though their manners are now
corrupted, no ecstatic transports, no Corybantic frenzies, no begging
under the colour of religion, no bacchanals or secret mysteries, no
all-night vigils of men and women together in the temples, nor any other
mummery of this kind; but alike in all their words and actions with
respect to the gods a reverence is shown such as is seen am neither
Greeks nor barbarians."

"20 Let no one image, however, that I am not sensible that some of the
Greek myths are useful to mankind, part of them explaining, as they do,
the works of Nature by allegories, others being designed as a
consolation for human misfortunes, some freeing the mind of its
agitations and terrors and clearing away unsound opinions, and others
invented for some other useful purpose. 2 But, though I am as well
acquainted as anyone with these matters, nevertheless my attitude toward
the myths is one of caution, and I am more inclined to accept the
theology of the Romans, when I consider that the advantages from the
Greek myths are slight and cannot be of profit to many, but only to
those who have examined the end for which they are designed; and this
philosophic attitude is shared by few."

This Greek, Dionysius of Halicarnassus, is very interesting in his
analysis of the Roman society.

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter

C.Aqu.Rota cordo salutem dicit,

Thank you so much for your answer.
I already thought that there is nobody here who is not somehow
religiosly fanatic.
I actually find it very great and super to see your posts here. A
very great thing NR should not miss. I was spciallized in securiy
politics
and am happy to hear what your backround is. I would actally be very
interested in some chat with you.

I am a serious practitioner of the Religio myself and I am actually
building one of the finest Home Larariums myself. My wife and me are
building currently a Castra with all but our own hands in SC, which
shall be dedicated to Nova Roma. For example was trying to reach
somebody to discuss the construction of a temple for public
ceremonial purposes here,but no reaction! That is why I think yes
some more walk instead of talk could be helpful for NR.
Very interesting to see how some people here anticipate, only
triggered by pure criticism that I am not interested in the religio.
Plus I found it interesting that there are members who think it is
important to make a good impression on them, like a Patru..the uncle.
He is definately and fortuntely not my UNCLE and therefore I do not
really care what impression I make to him.

Please do not understand me wrong, I am 100% loyal to NR, which I
think is a great oganisation. And for a great idea or orgnisation,
criticism has to be constructive and even wanted.
I presume there are also quite a few citizens out there who do not
practice the Religio and I am sure they do not think of NR as a
church. Therefore the focus should not be so intesly on the religio.

That is all I want to state. Why some dear citizens react so offended
and even respond with impudent arrogancy is not very nice towards
people like me who do care a lot although differen about NR.

Never the less, again I think your posts are even essential and I
apreciate them a lot too.

It was a pleasure to answer you.

Optime Vale, e tanti saluti alla Italiana

C.Aqu.
P.S. In case of syntax, please excuse my keyboard is broken andit
takes me forever to respond with my two finger system.





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve Rota
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "adriano.rota" <adriano.rota@>
> wrote:
> [snipped]
> >
> > And me,... I think it is soooo boring to read all this religious

blah

> > blah every day.
>
>
> Are you referring here to my daily posts on the religious calendar

of

> Nova Roma?
>
> I recall a Citizen once living in Rome who each day, on his way to

work

> in the Palazzio, would pass by Caradini's excavations. He and I

would

> chat each day, and then I would post to the ML on the latest news
> before it ever reached the news services. Unfortunately Massimo is

no

> longer around.
>
> But there are others who occasionaly post on other topics of

interest.

> I agree that we could use more topics placed into our list

dicussions

> than we have now. I enjoy reading more on archaeology and history,
> which I sometimes include in my daily posts when the calendar

doesn't

> have much to offer on the religio Romana.
>
> Then with each post I end with a thought of the day... with some
> pertinent reason often times... since I enjoy philosophy. Some

people,

> I am told, do not like those litttle quotes, while others say it is
> what they enjoy most of my posts. You can't please everyone all of

the

> time.
>
> Ideally every Citizen would share their interests with the rest of

us.

> I know that only around half of our newest members voice any

interest

> in the religio Romana, which means the other half must have other
> interests that they are not sharing. And some of our older members
> have a wide variety of interests - as do I, besides the religio
> Romana. My background is not so much in religion as it is in

military

> history (although not Roman military history). That is, one of my
> degrees is in history, and while an intelligence analyst I was on
> occasion an instructor on Soviet tank tactics and included examples
> from military history. The USMA at West Point was using some

material

> I wrote in their training of officers on conduct under fire in

combat.

> Some of that seeps into my daily posts when I have the chance to

write

> on some battle... although even I think some of those posts get too
> lengthy.
>
> So you just never know. Try posting on something of interest to
> yourself, and you might find others here who hold the same

interests.

> Otherwise you shall just get the same thing over again - "if you

don't

> like, why are you reading it?"
>
> Vale optime
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus
>

C.Aqu.Rota cordo salutem dicit,

Thank you so much for your answer.
I already thought that there is nobody here who is not somehow
religiosly fanatic.
I actually find it very great and super to see your posts here. A
very great thing NR should not miss. I was spciallized in securiy
politics
and am happy to hear what your backround is. I would actally be very
interested in some chat with you.

I am a serious practitioner of the Religio myself and I am actually
building one of the finest Home Larariums myself. My wife and me are
building currently a Castra with all but our own hands in SC, which
shall be dedicated to Nova Roma. For example was trying to reach
somebody to discuss the construction of a temple for public
ceremonial purposes here,but no reaction! That is why I think yes
some more walk instead of talk could be helpful for NR.
Very interesting to see how some people here anticipate, only
triggered by pure criticism that I am not interested in the religio.
Plus I found it interesting that there are members who think it is
important to make a good impression on them, like a Patru..the uncle.
He is definately and fortuntely not my UNCLE and therefore I do not
really care what impression I make to him.

Please do not understand me wrong, I am 100% loyal to NR, which I
think is a great oganisation. And for a great idea or orgnisation,
criticism has to be constructive and even wanted.
I presume there are also quite a few citizens out there who do not
practice the Religio and I am sure they do not think of NR as a
church. Therefore the focus should not be so intesly on the religio.

That is all I want to state. Why some dear citizens react so offended
and even respond with impudent arrogancy is not very nice towards
people like me who do care a lot although differen about NR.

Never the less, again I think your posts are even essential and I
apreciate them a lot too.

It was a pleasure to answer you.

Optime Vale, e tanti saluti alla Italiana

C.Aqu.






--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...>
wrote:

>
> Salve Rota
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "adriano.rota" <adriano.rota@>
> wrote:
> [snipped]
> >
> > And me,... I think it is soooo boring to read all this religious

blah

> > blah every day.
>
>
> Are you referring here to my daily posts on the religious calendar

of

> Nova Roma?
>
> I recall a Citizen once living in Rome who each day, on his way to

work

> in the Palazzio, would pass by Caradini's excavations. He and I

would

> chat each day, and then I would post to the ML on the latest news
> before it ever reached the news services. Unfortunately Massimo is

no

> longer around.
>
> But there are others who occasionaly post on other topics of

interest.

> I agree that we could use more topics placed into our list

dicussions

> than we have now. I enjoy reading more on archaeology and history,
> which I sometimes include in my daily posts when the calendar

doesn't

> have much to offer on the religio Romana.
>
> Then with each post I end with a thought of the day... with some
> pertinent reason often times... since I enjoy philosophy. Some

people,

> I am told, do not like those litttle quotes, while others say it is
> what they enjoy most of my posts. You can't please everyone all of

the

> time.
>
> Ideally every Citizen would share their interests with the rest of

us.

> I know that only around half of our newest members voice any

interest

> in the religio Romana, which means the other half must have other
> interests that they are not sharing. And some of our older members
> have a wide variety of interests - as do I, besides the religio
> Romana. My background is not so much in religion as it is in

military

> history (although not Roman military history). That is, one of my
> degrees is in history, and while an intelligence analyst I was on
> occasion an instructor on Soviet tank tactics and included examples
> from military history. The USMA at West Point was using some

material

> I wrote in their training of officers on conduct under fire in

combat.

> Some of that seeps into my daily posts when I have the chance to

write

> on some battle... although even I think some of those posts get too
> lengthy.
>
> So you just never know. Try posting on something of interest to
> yourself, and you might find others here who hold the same

interests.

> Otherwise you shall just get the same thing over again - "if you

don't

> like, why are you reading it?"
>
> Vale optime
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus
>

Salve Maior,

thank you for your invitation, I will call you a little later.

Till then

Optime vale e saluti

Adriano

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Rotae sal;
> what are you doing Rota? Aurelianus is the governor of our
> province, America Austrorientalis. I just suggested we have a
> Saturnalia celebration at your B & B. And you have made him angry.
>
> Many citizens of NR are Roman pagans and while I have lived in
> Europe and understand, there isn't another American except for
> Agricola in Japan who has. I too went to an elite university,
> Harvard, where did you go?
>
> I think we need to have a phone conversation to smooth things over.
> I'm free late afternoon to evenings. My number is 919-975-5561 or
> skype: shinsen2005
> let's fix a time
>
> vale
> M. Hortensia Maior
>
>
>
> You are
>
>
> > Salve,
> >
> > and as a proud Roman and an Acadmic of a European Elite
> University,
> > my friend, I give a .... if you think I made a bad Impression.
> >
> > What a Roman are You ? Of the feudal Tyrant sort?
> >
> > optime vale amice
> >
> > C.Auq. Rota
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Try reading more than a few messages and you could probably
find
> > out
> > > yourself. Try going to the main website for Nova Roma. In
one
> > message, you have
> > > likely pissed off a whole bunch of cultores deorum but I can
> > definitely assure
> > > you that you have made a tragically bad impression on me.
> > >
> > > Aurelianus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/30/2008 7:41:31 P.M. Central Daylight
> Time,
> > > adriano.rota@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salvete,
> > >
> > > By the way can somebody tell me real quick how I can pay taxes
> or
> > how I
> > > can send money to NR?
> > >
> > > valete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > financial
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> >
>

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Salve Lyn,
congratulations for choosing a pannonian dog. The magyar vizsla is one
of my favourite breeds: an intelligent, friendly, clean dog.
I'm envious! I wish I had a garden and a dog myself.
As for the name, have you considered giving him a name referring to a
quality? For example Celer. Or a metaphorical one, like Sagitta?
Don't be too fast in naming him, maybe as you know him better the name
will "give itself" somehow.

Dexter, I think Paulus Aemilius' daughter's dog was named Persa, not
Perseus. I remember reading this recently in Piscinus' calendar posts,
but the source of the story is Cicero's De Divinatione, which I read
less than one year ago, so my memory is relatively fresh.
I guess Persa would be a better name for a persian cat, even though a
friend of mine in Greece has a (female) dog named Persa (but in this
case it's short for Persephone, because she had a close call with death).

Valete,
Livia

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>
> Ah! Perseus! I'd almost forgotten about him, even though Aemilius is
one of
> my great heroes.
>
>
>
> Many thanks, C, Petronius!
>
>
>
> ld.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Gaius Petronius Dexter
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:43 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: An attempt to inject lighter subject matter
>
>
>
> Salve Lyn,
>
> > So, friends, I ask: What would a good Roman name his new dog?
>
> The subject of this topic is to built a temple for the gods, not a
> temple for the dogs.;o)
>
> Do you know the dog Scylax? A great moloss of C. Pompeius Trimalchio in
> the Satiricon of Petronius.
>
> Or the dog Perseus of the Paulus Aemilius' daughter. With the touching
> tale of the daughter crying because her dog Perseus was died, and her
> father Aemilius Paulus, the future winner of the king Perseus of
> Macedon, say to his sister : Your word augurs well for me.
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
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Salve Rota,

>
> You amuse me. After more than 2000 years you obviously did not
> realize yet what culture means!

I'm afraid there's a misunderstanding here: Aurelianus isn't THAT old yet!
Vale,
Livia

Ave L. Plauta,

> Dexter, I think Paulus Aemilius' daughter's dog was named Persa, not
> Perseus.

You are right. I based my quotation on a French but not fresh memory.
Indeed Cicero wrote :

" Atque ego exempla ominum nota proferam. L. Paulus consul iterum,
cum ei bellum ut cum rege Perse gereret obtigisset, ut ea ipsa die
domum ad vesperum rediit, filiolam suam Tertiam, quae tum erat
admodum parva, osculans animadvertit tristiculam. "Quid est,"
inquit, "mea Tertia? quid tristis es?" "Mi pater," inquit, "Persa
periit." Tum ille artius puellam complexus: 'Accipio," inquit, "mea
filia, omen. Erat autem mortuus catellus eo nomine..."

Catellus = puppy. And his name was Persa. And the king was named
Perses, in the first Greco-Latin declension: Nom: Perses, Voc: Perse
(-a), Acc: Persen (-am), Gen: Persae, Dat: Persae, Abl: Perse (-a).
The puppy was a male (catellus mortuus est) and named Persa.

But in France we say the King Perses (Fr: Persée), like the Héros
Perseus (Fr: Persée)! And as I did not read again the book of Cicero,
I thought the catullus and the king had the same names (Fr:Persée), I
confused with the Greek Heros Perseus.

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter

Salve,

We already have one, hehe.

Vale
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quaestor, legatus pro praetore: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis
plebis, senatui populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam:


Salvete, Quirites!

May the Divine Harmony shine upon you brightly!

As you all know our Nova Roma is 10 years old, and in order to honour this Tenth Anniversary I follow my vow and pray to Concordia constantly on every Kalends and Ides.

This is the ritual for the Kalends of October.

Please, citizens of Nova Roma, concentrate your prayers on the future of Nova Roma!

Help us with your prayers to make more effective my sacrifice!

PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!

I especially ask our Magistrates and Senators: send me your prayers to
Concordia and I will allocate them in the Virtual Temple of Concordia of the Nova Roman People:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Aedes_Concordiae_Populi_Novi_Romani_%28Nova_Roma%29

Visit the Virtual Temple of Concordia and leave a personal, public prayer!

PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!

Today's sacrifice has been done before my home altar. I have worshiped
Concordia for the unity, strengthen and harmony of the New Roman People
and I have given Her wine and incense. The ritual has been this:


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

SACRIFICIUM CONCORDIAE KALENDIS OCTOBRIBUS ANNIVERSARII SACRI X NOVAE ROMAE CONDITAE



Favete linguis!

(Beginning of the sacrifice.)

PRAEFATIO

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made.)

PRECATIO

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
hisce Kalendis Octobribus anni undecimi Novae Romae conditae
te precor quaesoque:
uti pacem concordiamque constantem
societati Novae Romae tribuas;
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque discordiis liberes;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
atque hoc anno anniversarii decimi Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hoc anno undecimo Novae Romae eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
utique sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi,
quaeque ita faxis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitia
hoc anno anniversarii decimi Novae Romae conditae
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)

REDDITIO

Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
uti te ture commovendo
et vino libando
bonas preces precatus sum,
earundem rerum ergo
macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made)

Ilicet!

(End of the sacrifice.)

PIACULUM

Iane,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,
hoc vino inferio
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio.

(Libation of wine is made.)


VALETE IN CONCORDIA!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
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Scriba Aedilis Curulis P. Memmii Albucii
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
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M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus sitis

Hodie est ante diem VI Nonas Octobris; haec dies fastus aterque est:

AUC 696 / 57 BCE: The Senate restored to Cicero his villas on the
Palatine, and those at Tusculum and Formias.

AUC 545 / 208 BCE: The Battle of Baecula, Hispania

"When intelligence was brought to Scipio of the muster of this large
(Carthagininan) army, he thought that he could not meet it with his
Roman legions unless he employed his native auxiliaries to give an
appearance of greater strength. At the same time he felt that he
ought not to depend too much upon them, for if they changed sides it
might lead to the same disaster as that which had overtaken his
father and his uncle. ... His entire army, Romans and allied
contingents, infantry and cavalry, amounted now to 55,000 men. With
this force he advanced to meet the enemy and took up his position
near Baecula." ~ Titus Livius 28.13

"Mago, thinking it a favorable occasion to attack the Romans as they
were forming their camp, took most of his own cavalry and Massanissa
with his Numidians and charged the camp, being convinced that he
would find Scipio off his guard. Scipio, however, had long foreseen
what would happen, and had stationed his cavalry, who were equal in
number to those of the Carthaginians, concealed behind a hill." ~
Polybius, Histories 11.21.1-2

"While (Scipio's) men were entrenching their camp they were attacked
by Mago and Masinissa with the whole of their cavalry and would have
been thrown into great disorder had not Scipio made a charge with a
body of horse from behind a hill. These speedily routed those of the
assailants who had ridden close up to the lines and were actually
attacking the entrenching parties; with the others, however, who kept
their ranks and were advancing in steady order the conflict was more
sustained, and for a considerable time remained undecided. But when
the cohorts of light infantry came in from the outposts, and the men
at work on the entrenchments had seized their arms and, fresh for
action, were in ever increasing numbers relieving their wearied
comrades until a considerable body of armed men hastened from the
camp to do battle." ~ Titus Livius 28.13

"Surprised by this unexpected attack many of the Carthaginians as
they wheeled sharply round at the unexpected sight, lost their seats,
but the rest met the enemy and fought bravely. Thrown, however, into
difficulties by the dexterity with which the Roman horsemen
dismounted, and losing many of their numbers, the Carthaginians gave
way after a short resistance. At first they retired in good order,
but when the Romans pressed their attacks home and resistance was no
longer possible, the squadrons broke and fled as best they could, and
they took refuge under their own camp. After this the Romans
displayed greater eagerness to engage and the Carthaginians less.
However, for several days following they drew up their forces on the
level ground between them, and after trying their strength by
skirmishing with their cavalry and left infantry, finally resolved on
a decisive action." ~ Polybius, Histories 11.21.3-7


Plutarch, Roman Questions 39:

"Why were men who were not regularly enlisted, but merely tarrying in
the camp, not allowed to throw missiles at the enemy or to wound them?

"This fact Cato the Elder has made clear in one of his letters to his
son, fin which he bids the young man to return home if he has
completed his term of service and has been discharged; or, if he
should p67stay over, to obtain permission from his general to wound
or slay an enemy. Is it because sheer necessity alone constitutes a
warrant to kill a human being, and he who does so illegally and
without the word of command is a murderer? For this reason Cyrus also
praised Chrysantas who, when he was about to kill an enemy, and had
his weapon raised to strike, heard the recall sounded and let the man
go without striking, believing that he was now prevented from so
doing. Or must he who grapples with the enemy and fights not be free
from accountability nor go unscathed should he play the coward? For
he does not help so much by hitting or wounding an enemy as he does
harm by fleeing or retreating. He, therefore, who has been discharge
from service is freed from military regulations; but he who asks
leave to perform the offices of a soldier renders himself again
accountable to the regulations and to his general."


Today's thought is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 41:

"At one and the same time we must philosophize, laugh, and manage our
household and other business, while never ceasing to proclaim the
words of true philosophy."

Salvete, amicae et amici!

A neat tale was posted by Lyn Dowling in another thread associated
with Cicero and it brought my thoughts back to the most recent thread
on the religious discussion or should I say debate;) A further
thought along those lines; even though Cicero composed a book, well
two really, De Divinatione, on divination he defendsÂ… then at once
makes light of divination. No one could say then, and now, that
Cicero was not truly Roman. Like many men and women, now and then,
the more one becomes educated or knowledgeable the more religions,
philosophies and other beliefs are questioned, no longer being taken
at face value. Questioning the status quo is a positive sign of
growth.
To quote the great `orator': "Divination, has no application to
things perceived by the senses, which are sufficient of themselves
and require no aid from divination. Nor is there any place for it in
matters within the domain of science and of art. Likewise divination
has no place in resolving questions in philosophy, in dialectic or in
politics. And since it is of no use in any of these cases there is no
use for it anywhere."
There are more than a few scholars who believe that Cicero had a
personal disbelief in Religious matters; however, like many great men
he recognized that religion is a powerful political tool. One cannot
deny that it is very Roman to utilize powerful political tools and
constructs.
Adriano and I have spoken at length many times and he knows where I
stand personally on religious matters. That is neither here nor
there. I find it quite refreshing that he is able to separate his
personal beliefs from his other aspects in his life. Would that more
would do the same (esp. our upcoming US elections not to mention the
past administration) our country might not be in the shape it is in
now. The US concept of the division of church and state is laughable,
look at our candidates, so much emphasis is placed on their personal
gods that we know many will vote because they invoke "god" at every
turn. The outgoing administration is a case in point, I have seen
more public, and unsolicited, invoking of a god from our current
President then I can remember of all Presidents in my lifetime. For
many their decision is not based on critical thought but on who has
the better god, who is the preferable "race", who has the most
politically correct (or incorrect) running mate, the most attractive
spouse and many other nonsensical reasons to elect a leader of our
country.
Just as the US will eventually change from Christian hegemony to a
miasma of many different beliefs and non-beliefs Nova Roma should be
just as careful not to allow religious interests to influence
judgment of its citizens and to become pervasive in all matters in
Nova Roma. Religious beliefs throughout human history have been
vehicles for great growth but also weapons of great destruction and
human pain. I don't have to expand on that statement; look it up. I
respect the right of all citizens to adhere to their religions,
mythologies, beliefs and philosophies but I also hold that there is a
certain dignity and sacredness in keeping it a personal part of one's
life. Sub rosa, sub secreto. I am an avid student of comparative
religion and philosophical metaphysical beliefs, both modern and in
antiquity. I respect and have a great interest in Roman culture and
it is in this vein that I have an interest in Religio-Roma and
preserving the rites, ceremonies and festivals to pass on to future
generations accurate representations of Rome's glory. However Rome's
art, architecture, literature, politics, food, customs, commerce and
so much more are also a great part of my heritage and interests and
not everything is entwined in religion.
I was brought up to be proud of my strong Roman heritage and I am
passionate about it but I have always known the glory of Rome is more
than just her religion.
Thank P'th *laughs* that we have citizens like Adriano who, "like an
eagle stirs her nest so that her young won't have any rest!" For this
is the Roman way! As Ovidus said "Saepe creat molles aspera spina
rosas"

Curate ut valeatis

L. Julia Aquila
"Nihil me terret"

C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d,

Today :

(Julian day : 2 454 742).

ante diem IV Nonas Octobres.

Day of the week : Iovis dies (Thursday).
Lunaris dies: IV.
Zodiacal degree : IX Librae.
Nundinal letter : C

Romae Hora ortus Solis : 7:08
Romae Hora occasus Solis : 18:50
Temp. Min. : 15° C.
Temp. Max. : 23° C.
Wind on Rome : 23Km/h.
Weather : sun with clouds.

Horae diei :
I: 7:08 - 7:56
II: 07:57 - 08:45
III: 08:46 - 09:53
IV: 09:54 - 10:23
V: 10:24 - 11:11
VI: 11:12 - 11:59
VII: 12:00 - 13:08
VIII 13:09 - 14:16
IX 14:17 - 15:25
X 15:26 - 16:34
XI 16:35 - 17:42
XII 17:43 - 18:50

Valete.

C. Petronius Dexter

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
<jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

>

C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d,

Today :

(Julian day : 2 454 742).

ante diem VI Nonas Octobres.

Sorry.

Valete.
C Petronius Dexter.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
<jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

>
> C. Petronius Cn. Marino s.p.d.,
>
> It could damage my lawn.
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

Agricola Dextri sal.

True, it might damage your lawn, but your neighbors probably wouldn't
complain. Not for long, anyway.

Vale!

M. Moravius Piscinus: Pontificibus, Maximae Valeriae Messallinae,
Virgoni Vestalis Maximae, Flaminibus, Senatoribus, Civibus Novae
Romae, Quiritibus, et omnibus: salutem plurimam dicit:


QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS

ITEM I: The Collegium Pontificum having met in order to determine an
official calendar for A. U. C. MMDCCLXII, a unanimous decision was to
approve the calendar prepared by Pontifex M. Moravius Piscinus.


ITEM II: The Collegium Pontificum having met in order to consider the
wording of the Responsum Pontificum de Diebus, a unanimous decision
was to approve a revision of the
Responsum Pontificum de Diebus as follows:

"Dies ATRI: These are "dark" days on which no sacrifices are properly
made. No sacrifices should be offered on public altars. Neither shall
the temples celebrate public worship nor hold sacrifices on these
days, public Augures may not take auspicia on these days, nor should
magistrates hold elections on these days. All religious ceremonies
are private but without sacrifices. No one should invoke a God or
Goddess by name while indoors, and no celestial God or Goddess should
be invoked by name while outdoors. It is not fitting to offer
sacrifice to the spirits of the dead on dies atri either, because in
such ceremonies it is necessary to call upon Janus and Jove, whom it
is not right to call upon on dies atri. Making journeys, starting new
projects, or doing anything risky should be avoided. These days, so
marked as dies atri, are religiosi and are always considered as dies
fastus (F) or dies comitialis (C), never as dies nefastus (N) or dies
nefastus publicus (NP). The dies atri include two special
subcategories:

1. "Dies POSTRIDUANI: These are the days after all the Kalendae,
Nonae and Idus of each month. They are, in general terms, dies fasti
(F), but they are days of ill-omen for beginning private activities,
business or journeys. Public worship is explicitly forbidden.

2. "Dies VITIOSI: These are specific dates decreed by the Senate, and
considered unlucky days. The only two fixed dies vitiosi are the dies
ALIENSIS, on July the 18th, a. d. XVI Kalendae Sextiliae, and August
the 2nd, a. d. IV Nonae Sextiliae. Additional dies vitiosi, should
they be needed, may be declared by the Senate through passage of a
senatusconsultum."


ITEM III: The Collegium Pontificum having met in order to elect a new
Pontifex Maximus, the decision was to approve Pontifex M. Moravius
Piscinus Horatianus. He shall take office beginning on AUC MMDCCLXI
Kalendae Octobrae.


ITEM IV: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the request
of Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus, extends the blessing and warm
regards of the Pontifices and of the sacerdotes of Nova Roma on the
marriage of Gaia Valeria Pulchra to Gaius Tullius Valerianus
Germanicus to be held in anno A. U. C. MMDCCLXI die pristini Kalendas
Novembres, M. Moravio Piscino T. Iulio Sabino consulibus.


ITEM V: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
application of Sacerdos Mecurialis Titus Iulius Sabinus, the decision
was to adlect the Consul as Pontifex.


ITEM VI: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
application of Sacerdos Concordiae Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus the
decision was to adlect the Legatus pro Praetor Panonniae as Pontifex.


ITEM VII: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
application of Sacerdos Mentis Marca Hortensia Maior Fabiana, the
decision was to approve her appointment as Flaminica Carmentalis.


ITEM VIII: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
application of Sacerdos Musae Octavianus Titinius, the decision was
to approve his appointment as Flamen Furrinalis and as Sacerdos
Dianae.


ITEM VIIII: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
application of Gaius Petronius Dexter, the decision was to approve
his appointment as Flamen Portunalis.


ITEM X: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
application of Legatus pro Praetor Sarmatiae Marcus Octavius Corvus,
the decision was to approve his appointment as Sacerdos Iovis.


Gratulor, sacerdotes omnes, et optimam Fortunam vobis exopto

Di vos servent, sacerdotes, Di vos servent. Di vos nobis dederunt, Di
conservent. Di vos ex manibus profani eripuerunt, sacerdotes, Di vos
perpetuent. Ite felix. Ite numinibus votisque secundis


I publicly request that the Magistri araneari see that these decreta
pontifici are posted to the website and that the new sacerdotes are
so noted on the website in their new offices.

Further, I call upon the Censores to update the files of those named
above so as to reflect their new sacerdotal offices.

____________________________

SALVETE!

I'm happy to see my consular colleague, Marcus Moravius, as Pontifex
Maximus. I'm sure that under his leadership all aspects of Religio
Romana inside NR will have good representation.
Many thanks are to Flavius Galerius who, as Pontifex Maximus, was
able to deal with wisdom with all problems of CP administration
duties of this year.

I can't abstain to point out that C. Cornelius Lentulus as Pontifex
will represent a step forward. His dedication is contagious and
Lentulus has the entire necessary background for this function. My
special thanks, amice, for your nice help during this year events.
With Livia Plauta we were a great team and my sincere hope is to
continue with this collaboration as time as we have the advantage to
meet together frequently.

Congratulations to all alected or appointed: Marca Hortensia,
Octavianus Titinius, Gaius Petronius and Marcus Octavius! All are
valuable citizens with great contributions in NR.

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS


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wrote:

>
> M. Moravius Piscinus: Pontificibus, Maximae Valeriae Messallinae,
> Virgoni Vestalis Maximae, Flaminibus, Senatoribus, Civibus Novae
> Romae, Quiritibus, et omnibus: salutem plurimam dicit:
>
>
> QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQUE SIT POPULO ROMANO QUIRITIBUS
>
> ITEM I: The Collegium Pontificum having met in order to determine

an

> official calendar for A. U. C. MMDCCLXII, a unanimous decision was

to

> approve the calendar prepared by Pontifex M. Moravius Piscinus.
>
>
> ITEM II: The Collegium Pontificum having met in order to consider

the

> wording of the Responsum Pontificum de Diebus, a unanimous decision
> was to approve a revision of the
> Responsum Pontificum de Diebus as follows:
>
> "Dies ATRI: These are "dark" days on which no sacrifices are

properly

> made. No sacrifices should be offered on public altars. Neither

shall

> the temples celebrate public worship nor hold sacrifices on these
> days, public Augures may not take auspicia on these days, nor

should

> magistrates hold elections on these days. All religious ceremonies
> are private but without sacrifices. No one should invoke a God or
> Goddess by name while indoors, and no celestial God or Goddess

should

> be invoked by name while outdoors. It is not fitting to offer
> sacrifice to the spirits of the dead on dies atri either, because

in

> such ceremonies it is necessary to call upon Janus and Jove, whom

it

> is not right to call upon on dies atri. Making journeys, starting

new

> projects, or doing anything risky should be avoided. These days, so
> marked as dies atri, are religiosi and are always considered as

dies

> fastus (F) or dies comitialis (C), never as dies nefastus (N) or

dies

> nefastus publicus (NP). The dies atri include two special
> subcategories:
>
> 1. "Dies POSTRIDUANI: These are the days after all the Kalendae,
> Nonae and Idus of each month. They are, in general terms, dies

fasti

> (F), but they are days of ill-omen for beginning private

activities,

> business or journeys. Public worship is explicitly forbidden.
>
> 2. "Dies VITIOSI: These are specific dates decreed by the Senate,

and

> considered unlucky days. The only two fixed dies vitiosi are the

dies

> ALIENSIS, on July the 18th, a. d. XVI Kalendae Sextiliae, and

August

> the 2nd, a. d. IV Nonae Sextiliae. Additional dies vitiosi, should
> they be needed, may be declared by the Senate through passage of a
> senatusconsultum."
>
>
> ITEM III: The Collegium Pontificum having met in order to elect a

new

> Pontifex Maximus, the decision was to approve Pontifex M. Moravius
> Piscinus Horatianus. He shall take office beginning on AUC

MMDCCLXI

> Kalendae Octobrae.
>
>
> ITEM IV: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the

request

> of Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus, extends the blessing and

warm

> regards of the Pontifices and of the sacerdotes of Nova Roma on the
> marriage of Gaia Valeria Pulchra to Gaius Tullius Valerianus
> Germanicus to be held in anno A. U. C. MMDCCLXI die pristini

Kalendas

> Novembres, M. Moravio Piscino T. Iulio Sabino consulibus.
>
>
> ITEM V: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
> application of Sacerdos Mecurialis Titus Iulius Sabinus, the

decision

> was to adlect the Consul as Pontifex.
>
>
> ITEM VI: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
> application of Sacerdos Concordiae Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus the
> decision was to adlect the Legatus pro Praetor Panonniae as

Pontifex.

>
>
> ITEM VII: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
> application of Sacerdos Mentis Marca Hortensia Maior Fabiana, the
> decision was to approve her appointment as Flaminica Carmentalis.
>
>
> ITEM VIII: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
> application of Sacerdos Musae Octavianus Titinius, the decision was
> to approve his appointment as Flamen Furrinalis and as Sacerdos
> Dianae.
>
>
> ITEM VIIII: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
> application of Gaius Petronius Dexter, the decision was to approve
> his appointment as Flamen Portunalis.
>
>
> ITEM X: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
> application of Legatus pro Praetor Sarmatiae Marcus Octavius

Corvus,

> the decision was to approve his appointment as Sacerdos Iovis.
>
>
> Gratulor, sacerdotes omnes, et optimam Fortunam vobis exopto
>
> Di vos servent, sacerdotes, Di vos servent. Di vos nobis dederunt,

Di

> conservent. Di vos ex manibus profani eripuerunt, sacerdotes, Di

vos

> perpetuent. Ite felix. Ite numinibus votisque secundis
>
>
> I publicly request that the Magistri araneari see that these

decreta

> pontifici are posted to the website and that the new sacerdotes are
> so noted on the website in their new offices.
>
> Further, I call upon the Censores to update the files of those

named

> above so as to reflect their new sacerdotal offices.
>
> ____________________________
>



Salve Varro;

yes, it's wonderful news. M. Moravius Piscinus is very active
and will be a wonderful PM and
Sabinus from Dacia
Lentulus from Pannonia
Corvus from Sarmatia
and Dexter from your own provincia Gallia! which is hosting next
year's Conventus means we have truly international religious officers
who will foster and promote the pax deorum!
I couldn't be happier; and yes for the Carmentalia I will
perform a live ritual with local cultores in a little wildwood behind
my house.
This year with the films of Lentulus and Sabinus, has been a longed-
for breakthrough in performing ritual....
bene vale in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior

> i hope with theese so marvellous news a new beginning for the

Religion in NR

>
> congratullations to all the new elected ones specially our new pm,

his have is so evident for such a fonction among us

> Varro
>

C. Petronius M. Piscino et omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,

It is a good thing to have a calendar approved by an unanimous
decision of the CP.

Tibi, M. Moravio Piscino feliciter! Utinam dii deaeque laeti et
secundi te adjuvent in officia tua. (Long life to you, M. Moravius
Piscinus! Let the gods and goddesses, joyful and favourable, help you
in your duties.)

I hope that Cranston will be cheerful this day and sky serene.
"Hymen o Hymenae, Hymen ades o Hymenae!"

T. Iulio Sabino feliciter!
Cn. Cornelio Lentulo feliciter !
M. Hortensiae Maiori Fabianae feliciter!
Octaviano Titinio feliciter!
M. Octavio Corvo feliciter!

And thanks for all the kind messages I have received about my
appoitnment as Flamen Portunalis. Now I must give my soul at this new
task to serve the god Portunus, to honour him on the next 17th of
August and to anoint the sword of Quirinus/Romulus at the Quirinalia,
on the next 17th of February.

"In ripa Tiberis templum de marmore pandam."
"On the Tiber's bank I 'll reveal a marble Temple."

Valete.

C. Petronius Dexter

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Pontifici Maximo Pontificibus Flaminibus S.P.D.

Di deaque vos ament!

Might I suggest that all the Pontifices and Flamens record their rituals with a video camera when possible and post them on YouTube? I sincerely believe that the more people SEE rituals being performed, the more the Religio Romana will grow and the more serious will its practitioners be. We're already seeing that effect from the few WONDERFUL videos from this year. Just think if there were 3 or 4 (or more!) of those videos every month!

Optime valete!

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex omnibus praesertim M. Piscino pontifici maximo et T. Sabino pontifici et C. Petronio flamini et Hortensiae Maiori flaminicae et M. Octavio sacerdoti s. p. d. Thank you for all the congratulations and for my election to the Collegium Pontificum! Now I extend my best wishes to those who have been elected together with me! Special congratulations to our new Highest Priest, M. Piscinus! I will work forward with the same efforts, but now even hard, for the same final purposes: the restoration of the Roman republic and its religion. Curate, uti valeatis! Di semper te ament! CN. CORNELIVS LENTVLVS PONTIFEX

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All Lictores of the Comitia Curiata and members of the Collegium
Pontificum should immediately join the new yahoogroup for the the
Comitia Curiata at:

NRComitiaCuriata@yahoogroups.com

When the Pontifex Maximus Elect & sufficient Lictores have joined this
list, I will transfer control to them.

Valete.

Ex officio consularis:

Tax payments for this year, 2761 a.U.c (AD 2008), will be accepted
until 31st October 2761 a.U.c at 23:59 Roman time.

Each provincial governor is required to copy this edict to their
provincial lists (where applicable).

Given under my hand this 3rd day of October 2761 a.U.c (AD 2008), in
the consulship of M. Moravius and T. Iulius.

Details:
Tax rate MMDCCLXI:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXI
Time zones:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

IVL SABINVS
Consul

C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d,

Today in Rome :

(Julian day : 2 454 743).

Ante diem V Nonas Octobres
MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.

Day of the week : Veneris dies (Friday).
Lunaris dies: V.
Zodiacal degree : X Librae.
Nundinal letter : D

Hora ortus Solis : 7:09
Hora occasus Solis : 18:48
Temp. Min. : 13° C.
Temp. Max. : 22° C.
Wind on Rome : 26Km/h.
Weather : sun with grey clouds and heavy showers.

Horae diei :

I: 07:09 07:57
II: 07:58 08:46
III: 08:47 09:53
IV: 09:54 10:23
V: 10:24 11:11
VI: 11:12 11:58
VII: 12:00 13:08
VIII: 13:09 14:16
IX: 14:17 15:24
X: 15:25 16:32
XI: 16:33 17:40
XII: 17:41 18:48

Valete.

C. Petronius Dexter

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Curate ut valeatis, et Di vos servent.

Hodie dies est ante diem V Nonas Octobris; haec dies comitialis est:
Ludi Augustales

AUC 772 / 19 CE: Ludi Augustales

These games were private theatrical performances put on for the
emperor's family and those families of senators. They took place on
the Palatine Hill over the course of a few days, and were only
celebrated in the years from 19 CE to 23 CE.


AUC 547 / 206 BCE: The Battle of Ilipa, Hispania

For all of the admiration given to Hannibal, the true military genius
of the Second Punic War was Publius Cornelius Scipio, who would
attain the honorific of Africanus. In Hispania he employed the Roman
legions in novel ways, focused on his objective rather than on
continuing Roman standard practice. At his finest victory in
Hispania, on the plain at Ilipia, his innovations utilized Roman
discipline as combined-arms detachments advanced through complex
maneuvers to gain the flanks of his enemy's larger line.

"After the strength of each side had been sufficiently tested in
these encounters Hasdrubal led out his army to battle, on which the
Romans did the same. Each army remained standing in front of its
camp, neither caring to begin the fight. Towards sunset the two
armies, first the Carthaginian and then the Roman, marched back to
camp. This went on for some days; the Carthaginians were always the
first to get into line and the first to receive the order to retire
when they were tired out with standing. No forward movement took
place on either side, no missile was discharged, no battle-shout
raised. The Romans were posted in the centre on the one side, the
Carthaginians in the centre of the other; the flanks on both armies
were composed of Spanish troops. In front of the Carthaginian line
were the elephants which looked in the distance like towers. It was
generally supposed in both camps that they would fight in the order
in which they had been standing, and that the main battle would be
between the Romans and Carthaginians in the centre, the principals in
the war and fairly matched in courage and in arms. When Scipio found
that this was assumed as a matter of course, he carefully altered his
dispositions for the day on which he intended to fight. The previous
evening he sent a tessera through the camp ordering the men to take
their breakfast and see that their horses were fed before daybreak,
the cavalry were at the same time to be fully armed with their horses
ready, bitted and saddled. Day had scarcely broken when he sent the
whole of his cavalry with the light infantry against the Carthaginian
outposts, and at once followed them up with the heavy infantry of the
legions under his personal command. Contrary to universal expectation
he had made his wings the strongest part of his army by posting the
Roman troops there, the auxiliaries occupied the centre." ~ Titus
Livius 28.14

"On this occasion we see Scipio employing two different stratagems.
Observing that Hasdrubal always brought ship troops out of camp at a
late hour and drew them up with the Libyans in the centre and the
elephants in front of the two wings, and having himself been in the
habit of delaying until a later hour and of opposing the Romans to
the Libyans in the centre and stationing the Spaniards on his wings,
he acted on the day on which he had decided to deliver the decisive
battle in a precisely opposite manner, and thus much contributed to
the victory of his own army and the discomfiture of the enemy. For
as soon as it was light he sent a message by his aides-de camp to all
the tribunes and soldiers to take their morning meal and arm
themselves and march out of the camp. When this was done, all
showing great zeal in carrying out the order, as they suspected what
was in the wind, he sent on the cavalry and light infantry with
orders to get close up to the enemy's camp and shoot at him boldly,
while he himself with his infantry advanced just as the sun was
rising, and when he reached the middle of the plain, formed in order
of battle, disposing his troops in an order contrary to that which he
had previously used, as he placed the Spaniards in the centre and the
Romans on the wings. The Carthaginians, upon the enemy's cavalry
coming suddenly up to their camp and the rest of his army forming up
in full view, scarcely had time to arm themselves. So that
Hasdrubal, with his men still fasting, was obliged on the spur of the
moment and without any preparation to send off his own cavalry and
light infantry to engage those of the enemy on the plain and to draw
up his heavy infantry on the level ground at no great distance from
the foot of the hill, as was his usual practice. For a certain time
the Romans remained inactive, but when, as the day advanced, there
was no decisive advantage on either side in the engagement of the
light-armed troops, those who were hard pressed always retreating to
the shelter of their respective phalanxes and then issuing forth
again to resume the combat, Scipio receiving the skirmishers through
the intervals between his cohorts distributed them on his wings
behind his infantry, placing the velites in front with the horse
behind them. At first he made a direct frontal advance, but when at a
distance of four stades from the enemy he ordered the Spaniards to
continue advancing in the same order but the infantry and cavalry on
the right wing to wheel to the right and those of the left wing to
wheel to the left. Then taking, himself from the right wing and
Lucius Marcius and Marcus Junius from the left, the leading three
troops of horse and placing in front of them the usual number of
velites and three maniples (this body of infantry the Romans call a
cohort), he advanced straight on the enemy at a rapid pace, wheeling
in the one case to the left and in the other to the right, the rear
ranks always following the direction of the front ones. When they
were not far away from the enemy, while the Spaniards, who continued
their direct advance, were still at some distance, as they were
marching slowly, he fell, as he had originally intended, directly on
both wings of the enemy with the Roman forces. The subsequent
movements, which enabled the rear ranks to get into the same line as
the leading ones and place themselves in a position to attack the
enemy, were in contrary directions both as regards the right and left
wings and as regards the infantry and cavalry. For the cavalry and
light infantry on the right wing wheeling to the right attempted to
outflank the enemy, while the heavy infantry wheeled to the left. On
the left wing the maniples wheeled to the right and the cavalry and
velites to the left. The consequence of this was that the right of
the cavalry and light-armed troops on both wings had become their
left. But the general, regarding this as of small importance,
devoted his intention to the really important object — outflanking
the enemy — and he estimated rightly, for a general should, of
course, know the actual course of events, but employ those movements
which are suited to an emergency.

"In consequence of this attack the elephants, assailed by the
missiles of the cavalry and velites and harassed on every side, were
suffering much, and doing as much damage to their own side as to the
enemy. For in their wild rush they destroyed all, friend or foe, who
came in their way. As for the infantry the wings of the Carthaginians
were broken, and the centre, where stood the Libyans, the flower of
the army, was of no service, as they could neither leave their
original position to help those on the wings, for fear of attack by
the Spaniards, nor, remaining where they were, could they operate
effectively, as the enemy in front of them would not come to blows.
The wings, however, kept up a gallant struggle for some time, as each
side was aware that all depended on the result of this battle. But
when the heat of the day was at its height, the Carthaginians grew
faint, as they had not left their camp on their own initiative and
had been prevented from preparing themselves properly, while the
Romans began to exhibit superior strength and spirit, chiefly
because, owing to the foresight of their commander, their choicest
troops encountered here the least efficient of the enemy. At first
Hasdrubal's men, yielding to the pressure, retired step by step, but
later they gave way in a body and retreated to the foot of the hill,
and when the Romans pushed their attack home with more violence they
fled in rout to their camp. Had not some deity interposed to save
them they would have been at once driven out of their entrenchments,
but now arose an unprecedented disturbance in the heavens, and such
heavy and continuous torrents of rain fell, that the Romans with
difficulty made their way back to their own camp." ~ Polybius,
Histories 11.22-24

"When the outposts brought intelligence of the enemy's departure
Scipio sent on his cavalry and followed with his entire army. Such
was the rapidity of the pursuit that had they followed in Hasdrubal's
direct track they must have caught him up. But, acting on the advice
of their guides, they took a shorter route to the river Baetis, so
that they might be able to attack him if he attempted its passage.
Finding the river closed to him, Hasdrubal turned his course towards
the ocean, and his hurried march, which in its haste and confusion
looked like a flight gave him a considerable start on the Roman
legions. Their cavalry and light infantry harassed and retarded him
by attacking him in flank and rear, and whilst he was continually
forced to halt to repel first the cavalry and then infantry
skirmishers, the legions came up. Now it was no longer a battle but
sheer butchery, until the general himself set the example of flight
and escaped to the nearest hills with some 6000 men, many of them
without arms. The rest were killed or made prisoners. The
Carthaginians hastily improvised an entrenched camp on the highest
point of the hills, and as the Romans found it useless to attempt the
precipitous ascent, they had no difficulty in making themselves safe.
But a bare and sterile height was hardly a place in which to stand
even a few days' siege, and there were numerous desertions. At last
Hasdrubal sent for ships-he was not far from the sea-and fled in the
night, leaving his army to its fate." ~ Titus Livius 28.16

"When everyone congratulated Scipio on having driven the
Carthaginians out of Spain and entreated him to rest and take his
ease, as he had put an end to the war, he said he considered them
happy in having such hopes, 2 but that for his own part now
especially the time had come when he had to consider how he should
begin the war against Carthage; 3 for up to now the Carthaginians had
been making war on the Romans, but now chance had given the Romans
the opportunity of making war on the Carthaginians." ~ Polybius,
Histories 11.24a.1-3


Our thought for today comes from Democritus, Golden Sentences 33:

"Put not confidence in all men, but in those that are worthy; for to
do the former is the province of a stupid man, but the latter of a
wise man."