Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Oct 9-15, 2008

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58025 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Tabularium *NOT* Deleted
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58026 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58027 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Tabularium Deleted
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58028 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] COMPLVTENSIS Y SEVERVS PARA CÓNSVLES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58029 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: M. IVLIVS SEVERVS, CANDIDATE FOR CONSVL 2009
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58030 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58031 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58032 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58033 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58034 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58035 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] COMPLVTENSIS Y SEVERVS PARA CÓNSVLES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58036 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NR_Argentina] COMPLVTENSIS Y SEVERVS PARA CÓNS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58037 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Tabularium Deleted
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58038 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Sermo Latinus courses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58039 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: SECOND CALL FOR CANDIDATES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58040 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Tabularium Deleted
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58041 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Tabularium *NOT* Deleted
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58042 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: SEGVNDA CONVOCATORIA A CANDIDATOS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58043 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Simple Roman calendar by e-mail, 10/10/2008, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58044 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 10, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58045 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] AQUILA FOR QUAESTOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58046 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: SECOND CALL FOR CANDIDATES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58047 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Octobris: Iunoni Monetae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58048 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: religio?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58049 From: P. Dominus Antonius Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: Tabularium Deleted
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58050 From: sixthcenturykatafractos Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58051 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58052 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: religio?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58053 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58054 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 11, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58055 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: a. d. V Eidus Octobris: Meditrinalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58056 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58057 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58058 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: LUDI Octobris - EQUUS OCTOBER races and fights Call upon all PLEBE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58059 From: Colin Brodd Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Valerianus for Rogator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58060 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58061 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58062 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58063 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58064 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: LUDI Octobris - EQUUS OCTOBER races and fights Call upon allPL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58065 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58066 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58067 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58068 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: LUDI Octobris - EQUUS OCTOBER races and fights Call upon all P
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58069 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58070 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58071 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58072 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58073 From: albmd323232 Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: Latin language broadcast?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58074 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: Latin language broadcast?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58075 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58076 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: Latin language broadcast?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58077 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Reccanellus para QUAESTOR!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58078 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58079 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58080 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58081 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Online Resources for Classics Study and Research, 10/12/2008, 12:00
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58082 From: Colin Brodd Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58083 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 12, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58084 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58085 From: dan mcelwain Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Re: To Piscinus Toooo much religious Blah Blah
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58086 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: a. d. III Eidus Octobris: Augustalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58087 From: Avv. Claudio Guzzo Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58088 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Re: religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58089 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58090 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: IULIUS SEVERUS CANDIDATO PARA EL CONSULADO (PORTUGUESE)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58091 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: M.CURIATIUS COMPLUTENSIS CANDIDATO PARA CONSUL (PORTUGESE)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58092 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: CURIATIUS COMPLUTESIS E IULIUS SEVERUS PARA CONSULES (PORTUGUESE)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58093 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: CURIATIUS COMPLUTENSIS AND IULIUS SEVERUS FOR CONSULS (RUSSIAN)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58094 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: M. CURIATIUS COMPLUTENSIS CANDIDATO PARA ELCONSULADO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58095 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: COMPLVTENSIS Y SEVERVS PARA CÓNSVLES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58096 From: sixthcenturykatafractos Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58097 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: L. Livia Plauta for quaestrix!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58098 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Candidate for Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58099 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: LUDI Octobris - soon !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58100 From: Aulus Sepronius Regulus Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Restoring Accounts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58101 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: EQUUS OCTOBER on 15th (Idus) : Patricians waited !!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58102 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Re: Restoring Accounts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58104 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Candidacy for Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58105 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: COMPLVTENSIS ET SEVERVS CONSVLS!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58106 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Multilingual candidate statements
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58107 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Candidate for Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58108 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: MY VOTE FOR MODIANVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58109 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 13, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58110 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: a. d. III Eidus Octobris: Fontinalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58111 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: My vote for Modianus as Curule Aedile !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58112 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58113 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: KANDIDATUR FÃœR DAS KONSULAT 2009-M. IVL. SEVERVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58114 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58115 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: Restoring Accounts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58116 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS ET SEVERVS CONSVLS!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58117 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58118 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: KANDIDATUR FÃœR DAS KONSULAT 2009-M. CVR. COMPLVTENSIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58119 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: COMPLVTENSIS UND SEVERVS ALS CONSVLN
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58120 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS ET SEVERVS CONSVLS!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58121 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58122 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58123 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58124 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: EQUUS OCTOBER on 15th (Idus) : Patricians waited !!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58125 From: Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Announcing my candidacy for Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58126 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58127 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58128 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58129 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58130 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: EQUUS OCTOBER on 15th (Idus) : Patricians waited !!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58131 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58132 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: EQUUS OCTOBER on 15th (Idus) : Patricians waited !!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58133 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58134 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Manager sought for Pliny's villa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58135 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58136 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58137 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-10-13
Subject: About my appointment as senator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58138 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 14, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58139 From: C. MINICIUS AGRIPPA Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: AMPHITHEATRUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58140 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Pridie Eidus Octobris: Penatibus Veliae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58141 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: About my appointment as senator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58142 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Ludi Octobris opened
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58143 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: About my appointment as senator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58144 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: About my appointment as senator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58145 From: C.ARM.RECCANELLVS Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: Ludi Octobris opened
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58146 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: Ludi Octobris opened
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58147 From: Lucius Quirinus Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58148 From: Colin Brodd Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Concerning Cn. Cornelius Lentulus's statement
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58149 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58150 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: About my appointment as senator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58151 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58152 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58153 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58154 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58155 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58156 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58157 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"? argue please
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58158 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58159 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58160 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58161 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58162 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58163 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58164 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: Roman or "Pagan"? Intrinsic Contradiction
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58165 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58166 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Census + lustrum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58167 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: Census + lustrum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58168 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58169 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: SECOND CALL FOR CANDIDATES for plebeian offices
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58170 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Informal call for plebeian candidates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58171 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58172 From: James V Hooper Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: Informal call for plebeian candidates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58174 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-14
Subject: Re: Informal call for plebeian candidates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58175 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 15, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58176 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58177 From: Daniel M Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58178 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Informal call for plebeian candidates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58179 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: EIDUS OCTOBRIS: The October Horse
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58180 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58181 From: From Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58182 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: To all in the Far East, 10/15/2008, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58183 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58184 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58185 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58186 From: hikerbill40 Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58187 From: Marcus Valerius Traianus Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Announcing the Candidacy of Marcus Valerius Traianus for Diribitor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58188 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58189 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Equus October : first results : the race
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58190 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58191 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Equus October : first results : the 2nd race, btw the CM and the Reg
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58192 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58193 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58194 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58195 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Polytheism & Monotheism
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58196 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Religion in Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58197 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Equus last chapter: who's got the head?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58198 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Equus October : conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58199 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58201 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: 10th NR Anniverarsy - Sacred Year of Concordia - Ritual
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58202 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Polytheism & Monotheism
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58203 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58025 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Tabularium *NOT* Deleted
Maior Aurelians spd;
please amice, let's cut our wikimagister some slack. It's a huge
job and unlike our religious or political ones, you don't really get
any appreciation. Everyone kind of imagines the website updates, takes
care, fixes itself! Because I've wanted to write articles for the
religio I've had a kind of private tutorial and I can tell you it's a
big thankless job.
bene vale
M. Hortensia Maior
read these articles on the religio romana
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Religio_Romana

and the modern cultus deorum!
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Religio_Romana_%28Nova_Roma%29

>The old (pre-wiki) tabularium is still at
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/
>
> The wiki tabularium is located at
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Legal_system_(Nova_Roma)
>
> Everything on that page is just as it was when the page heading
said
> "Tabularium." All that Agricola changed was the page title.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58026 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
SALVE ET SALVETE!
 
Thank you for confirmation. I also thank you for your good collaboration during that time for resolving all aspects of this problem in cordiale terms.
 
Equitius Marinus, Iulius Caesar and Apollonius Cordus have my respect for their advices and help.
 
The appeal to the people still remains an unsolved part of our legal system but using the draft presented by Cordus there are really solutions to fix it.
 
VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
Salvete Nova Romans

On Feb 23, 2761 I announced that I believed that Citizen Lucius
Equitius Cincinnatus Augur had been wronged by the politically
motivated law suits that had been filed against him, the actions or
inactions of the Tribunes and finally by the actions of the Praetors
in these cases.

I still do.

His alleged crime was removing someone from a Yahoo list now nearly
three and a half years ago and long before the Senate or Consuls
made any comments on list membership. The issuing of an edict
mandating state ownership of a PRIVATE YAHOO list ( as defined by
Yahoo) was and is a clear violation of the terms of service
agreement ( TOS) we ALL have with Yahoo.

I also believe that Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur has left Nova
Roma and has in effect taken up voluntary exile. I do not know this
for a fact but the silence I have heard from him in response to my
letters indicates to me that this is the case.

I withdraw, for the time being, our request that the Consuls convene
the Comitia Populi Tributa so that the people may hear the appeal of
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur. I reserve the right to request
this at a later date.

Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur has been a citizen of Nova Roma
since March 1st 2751. He has served as Pontifex, Augur, Flamen Maior,
Censor, Consul, Proconsul , Senator, Lictor, Scribe and Consular
Accensus

He was and remains one of our best and I hope that someday he returns.

I hope someday we give him a reason to do so.

Valete

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Advocate for Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur




"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58027 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Tabularium Deleted
Our laws are listed here:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Legal_system_(Nova_Roma)

What is the problem?  He doesn't use the Latin word tabularium?  Big deal. 

Vale;

Modianus

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM, <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...> wrote:

Aurelianus Modiano sal.

I believe that M. Lucretio acted unilaterally when he deleted the tabularium and it should be brought up on the ML, especially during election season.  NR has had magistrates act in this manner before by making a decision that did not meet with the approval of either the Senate or People.  I will agree that he has done much good work for the Res Publica but I do not particular find this act favorable.  I hope that M. Lucretio had the good sense to back up the tabularium before he deleted it as I have always found it to be a good tool, in the past.

Vale.




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58028 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] COMPLVTENSIS Y SEVERVS PARA CÓNSVLES
Severus Reccanello omnibusque sal.
 
Plurimas gratias for your support, amice!
I'll vote for you, of course.
 
Vale, et valete,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58029 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: M. IVLIVS SEVERVS, CANDIDATE FOR CONSVL 2009
M.Curiatius Complutensis Petronio Dexter SPD

Thanks for your support

Cura ut valeas

M.Cur. Complutensis

2008/10/9 Gaius Petronius Dexter <jfarnoud94@...>

C. Petronius Dexter M. Iulio Severo s.p.d.,
 
I am glad to see you candidate for the consulship 2009. I respectfully remember that you was dealing with my demand of being a future citizen, you also led my first steps on Nova Roma and  I passed the exam of citizenship under your "ferula".
 
I will vote for you and for M. Curiatius Complutensis, although one Roman Horatius was famous by winning three Curiatii.;o) 
 
I pray Father Portunus for both, you and M. Curiatius, to reach as Consuls the harbour of Nova Roma.
 
Vale, amice, Severe.
 
C. Petronius Dexter
 



--
M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PRAETOR NOVAE ROMAE
PRAETOR HISPANIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58030 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS
Complutensis Marine Sal

Thanks for your support


2008/10/8 Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>

Salvete omnes,

I'm pleased to see this announcement, and I look forward to voting for
both candidates.

Valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS



M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> writes:

> COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS



--
M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PRAETOR NOVAE ROMAE
PRAETOR HISPANIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58031 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS
Salve Julia Aquila

Thanks for your support

Vale

COMPLVTENSIS

2008/10/9 L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...>

Salvete omnes!

Both candidates have my support!

Optime vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS"

<complutensis@...> wrote:
>
> COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS
>
>
>
> Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Marcus Iulius Severus omnes civibus
Novae
> Romae SPD.
>
>
>
> Citizens of Nova Roma, we, M. Curiatius Complutensis and M. Iulius
Severus,
> keep the Roman traditions in our private lives. We have inspired in
our
> families the love for Rome and the Roman way of life, so that our
> macro-national families are, simultaneously, our Nova Roman
families.
>
> During our term as Praetores, we have taken all our decisions in
mutual
> agreement, have consulted ourselves frequently and have
complemented each
> other in a most harmonious way.
>
> We were the first Praetores in organizing a different Ludi
Apollinares, for
> major glory of Apollo and of Nova Roma.
>
> Due to our macro-national professions, Complutensis as a lawyer,
Severus as
> a journalist and writer, we sincerely believe to be qualified
appropriately
> to encourage the development of Nova Roma and her presence in the
world.
>
> And, of course, we are firmly determined to fulfill our duties as
Consuls in
> total and complete collaboration with the Senate, the Collegium
Pontificum
> and the new Praetores.
>
> We believe that the policies promoted by the Consuls M. Moravius
Piscinus
> Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus have been the best for this year
2008, and
> therefore it is our intention to take the required steps of
continuity to
> strengthen those policies and add new options and goals for Nova
Roma and
> the Nova Romans.
>
> We deeply believe that the cult of the Roman Religion must not be
any more a
> private or even anecdotal matter and must become more public,
really present
> in the every day life of Nova Roma and the Nova Romans.
>
> We want to explore the possibility that an ancient Roman temple
could be
> assigned to Nova Roma, to publicly practice our sacred Religio and
offer due
> worship to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome.
>
> We will promote that Nova Roma will have legal personality in all
the
> countries of the world where there are Nova Roman communities,
starting with
> the European Union and Latin America, without neglecting the United
States
> and Canada in any way.
>
> We hope that in the near future, Nova Roma will not only be an
organization
> of cultores or re-enactors, not only an educational and cultural
> organization. We want Nova Roma to become the point of reference,
the axis
> of a Roman world that will be consolidated step by step, with our
effort,
> with our dedication and hard work.
>
> We should not only devote ourselves to study and re-enact the
glorious Roman
> past, but to unite our efforts and find allies, to preserve and
consolidate
> our archaeological heritage around the world, defending it against
the
> attacks, the oversight or the neglect of both governments and
individuals.
>
> There is a lot of work ahead, citizens. We want to do it and we
know that we
> can, with your support and active participation in the Nova Roman
life, our
> everyday life. This is why we ask you, citizens, to vote for us in
the next
> elections.
>
>
>
> Curate ut valeate,
>
>
>
> M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
>
> PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
> SENATOR
>
> PRÆTOR• HISPANIÆ
>
> SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M
>
>
>
> M•IVL•SEVERVS
> PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
> SENATOR
> PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
> ACCENSVS•CONSVLVM• T• IVLII•SABINI•ET• M•MORAVII•PISCINI
> SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M
> INTERPRETER
> MVSÆVS•COLLEGII• ERATOVS•SODALITAT IS•MVSARVM
> SOCIVS•CHORI•MVSARVM
>




--
M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PRAETOR NOVAE ROMAE
PRAETOR HISPANIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58032 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS
Salve Princeps Senatus et amice

Gratias plurimas amice for your wishes and for your support.

Vale

COMPLVTENSIS



2008/10/9 Christer Edling <christer.edling@...>

Salvete Praetores et Quirites!


It is my pleasure to announce my warm and full support for Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus in their election campaign for a joint Consulship. I truely believe that they are extremely well qualified for the Consulship and that they will be very fit to continue the necessary and successful policies of Consules M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.

I have been a citizen for nearly 100 months, during this period the Res Publica has seen hard fighta and at times seemd lost, but seen in a longer perspective Nova Roma has developed towards a more RL organiozation, with a much more offensive policy towards growth and international development, while at the same time becoming more and more serious and more kept together. We still have diffent views at times, and continue so as it is most healthy, but the track towards a common an successful future seems more and more realistic. We still have large problems, but they now seems more possible to solve.

With Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus as Consuls, I am sure this progressive developement will continue.

I wish Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus the best of luck in their bid for the Consulship!

*************

8 okt 2008 kl. 23.25 skrev M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS:

COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS

 

Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Marcus Iulius Severus omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD.

 

Citizens of Nova Roma, we, M. Curiatius Complutensis and M. Iulius Severus, keep the Roman traditions in our private lives. We have inspired in our families the love for Rome and the Roman way of life, so that our macro-national families are, simultaneously, our Nova Roman families.

During our term as Praetores, we have taken all our decisions in mutual agreement, have consulted ourselves frequently and have complemented each other in a most harmonious way.

We were the first Praetores in organizing a different Ludi Apollinares, for major glory of Apollo and of Nova Roma.

Due to our macro-national professions, Complutensis as a lawyer, Severus as a journalist and writer, we sincerely believe to be qualified appropriately to encourage the development of Nova Roma and her presence in the world.

And, of course, we are firmly determined to fulfill our duties as Consuls in total and complete collaboration with the Senate, the Collegium Pontificum and the new Praetores.

We believe that the policies promoted by the Consuls M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus have been the best for this year 2008, and therefore it is our intention to take the required steps of continuity to strengthen those policies and add new options and goals for Nova Roma and the Nova Romans.

We deeply believe that the cult of the Roman Religion must not be any more a private or even anecdotal matter and must become more public, really present in the every day life of Nova Roma and the Nova Romans.

We want to explore the possibility that an ancient Roman temple could be assigned to Nova Roma, to publicly practice our sacred Religio and offer due worship to the Gods and Goddesses of  Rome.

We will promote that Nova Roma will have legal personality in all the countries of the world where there are Nova Roman communities, starting with the European Union and Latin America, without neglecting the United States and Canada in any way.

We hope that in the near future, Nova Roma will not only be an organization of cultores or re-enactors, not only an educational and cultural organization. We want Nova Roma to become the point of reference, the axis of a Roman world that will be consolidated step by step, with our effort, with our dedication and hard work.

We should not only devote ourselves to study and re-enact the glorious Roman past, but to unite our efforts and find allies, to preserve and consolidate our archaeological heritage around the world, defending it against the attacks, the oversight or the neglect of both governments and individuals.

There is a lot of work ahead, citizens. We want to do it and we know that we can, with your support and active participation in the Nova Roman life, our everyday life. This is why we ask you, citizens, to vote for us in the next elections.

 

Curate ut valeate,

 

M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS

PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
SENATOR

PRÆTOR• HISPANIÆ

SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M

 

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•
MEXICO
ACCENSVS•CONSVLVM• T• IVLII•SABINI•ET• M•MORAVII•PISCINI
SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M
INTERPRETER
MVSÆVS•COLLEGII• ERATOVS•SODALITAT IS•MVSARVM
SOCIVS•CHORI•MVSARVM


*****************
Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae 
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae 








--
M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PRAETOR NOVAE ROMAE
PRAETOR HISPANIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58033 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS
Salve Flavi Aquilae

et gratias plurimas tibi ago

Cura ut valeas

COMPLVTENSIS

2008/10/9 Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...>

Salvete Quirites!

 

I wholeheartedly support Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus in their election campaign for being elected as our next consuls. 

 

Both candidates have proven in the past ,that they work hard to serve our republic of Nova Roma ! I know that they are perfectly qualified for the Consulship and I am absolutely confident that they will continue the very good work of our current consuls M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus.

 

COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS !

 

Optime valete

Titus Flavius Aquila

 

Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania

Scriba Censoris KFBM

Collegium sodalitas proDIIS

Candidatus Quaestor



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Betreff: [Nova-Roma] COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS

COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS

 

Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Marcus Iulius Severus omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD.

 

Citizens of Nova Roma, we, M. Curiatius Complutensis and M. Iulius Severus, keep the Roman traditions in our private lives. We have inspired in our families the love for Rome and the Roman way of life, so that our macro-national families are, simultaneously, our Nova Roman families.

During our term as Praetores, we have taken all our decisions in mutual agreement, have consulted ourselves frequently and have complemented each other in a most harmonious way.

We were the first Praetores in organizing a different Ludi Apollinares, for major glory of Apollo and of Nova Roma.

Due to our macro-national professions, Complutensis as a lawyer, Severus as a journalist and writer, we sincerely believe to be qualified appropriately to encourage the development of Nova Roma and her presence in the world.

And, of course, we are firmly determined to fulfill our duties as Consuls in total and complete collaboration with the Senate, the Collegium Pontificum and the new Praetores.

We believe that the policies promoted by the Consuls M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus have been the best for this year 2008, and therefore it is our intention to take the required steps of continuity to strengthen those policies and add new options and goals for Nova Roma and the Nova Romans.

We deeply believe that the cult of the Roman Religion must not be any more a private or even anecdotal matter and must become more public, really present in the every day life of Nova Roma and the Nova Romans.

We want to explore the possibility that an ancient Roman temple could be assigned to Nova Roma, to publicly practice our sacred Religio and offer due worship to the Gods and Goddesses of  Rome.

We will promote that Nova Roma will have legal personality in all the countries of the world where there are Nova Roman communities, starting with the European Union and Latin America, without neglecting the United States and Canada in any way.

We hope that in the near future, Nova Roma will not only be an organization of cultores or re-enactors, not only an educational and cultural organization. We want Nova Roma to become the point of reference, the axis of a Roman world that will be consolidated step by step, with our effort, with our dedication and hard work.

We should not only devote ourselves to study and re-enact the glorious Roman past, but to unite our efforts and find allies, to preserve and consolidate our archaeological heritage around the world, defending it against the attacks, the oversight or the neglect of both governments and individuals.

There is a lot of work ahead, citizens. We want to do it and we know that we can, with your support and active participation in the Nova Roman life, our everyday life. This is why we ask you, citizens, to vote for us in the next elections.

 

Curate ut valeate,

 

M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS

PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
SENATOR

PRÆTOR• HISPANIÆ

SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M

 

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•
MEXICO


ACCENSVS•CONSVLVM• T• IVLII•SABINI•ET• M•MORAVII•PISCINI
SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M
INTERPRETER
MVSÆVS•COLLEGII• ERATOVS•SODALITAT IS•MVSARVM
SOCIVS•CHORI•MVSARVM




--
M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PRAETOR NOVAE ROMAE
PRAETOR HISPANIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58034 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS
Salve Modiane Censor et amice

Thanks for your support.

Vale

COMPLVTENSIS



2008/10/9 David Kling (Modianus) <tau.athanasios@...>

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

I fully support both Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus as consules.  I cannot think of a better team to lead Nova Roma next year, they both have my full support.

Valete;

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
Censor, Senator, Pontifex, Augur, et al.


On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:25 PM, M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS <complutensis@...> wrote:

COMPLVTENSIS AND SEVERVS FOR CONSVLS

 

Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Marcus Iulius Severus omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD.

 

Citizens of Nova Roma, we, M. Curiatius Complutensis and M. Iulius Severus, keep the Roman traditions in our private lives. We have inspired in our families the love for Rome and the Roman way of life, so that our macro-national families are, simultaneously, our Nova Roman families.

During our term as Praetores, we have taken all our decisions in mutual agreement, have consulted ourselves frequently and have complemented each other in a most harmonious way.

We were the first Praetores in organizing a different Ludi Apollinares, for major glory of Apollo and of Nova Roma.

Due to our macro-national professions, Complutensis as a lawyer, Severus as a journalist and writer, we sincerely believe to be qualified appropriately to encourage the development of Nova Roma and her presence in the world.

And, of course, we are firmly determined to fulfill our duties as Consuls in total and complete collaboration with the Senate, the Collegium Pontificum and the new Praetores.

We believe that the policies promoted by the Consuls M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus and T. Iulius Sabinus have been the best for this year 2008, and therefore it is our intention to take the required steps of continuity to strengthen those policies and add new options and goals for Nova Roma and the Nova Romans.

We deeply believe that the cult of the Roman Religion must not be any more a private or even anecdotal matter and must become more public, really present in the every day life of Nova Roma and the Nova Romans.

We want to explore the possibility that an ancient Roman temple could be assigned to Nova Roma, to publicly practice our sacred Religio and offer due worship to the Gods and Goddesses of  Rome.

We will promote that Nova Roma will have legal personality in all the countries of the world where there are Nova Roman communities, starting with the European Union and Latin America, without neglecting the United States and Canada in any way.

We hope that in the near future, Nova Roma will not only be an organization of cultores or re-enactors, not only an educational and cultural organization. We want Nova Roma to become the point of reference, the axis of a Roman world that will be consolidated step by step, with our effort, with our dedication and hard work.

We should not only devote ourselves to study and re-enact the glorious Roman past, but to unite our efforts and find allies, to preserve and consolidate our archaeological heritage around the world, defending it against the attacks, the oversight or the neglect of both governments and individuals.

There is a lot of work ahead, citizens. We want to do it and we know that we can, with your support and active participation in the Nova Roman life, our everyday life. This is why we ask you, citizens, to vote for us in the next elections.

 

Curate ut valeate,

 

M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS

PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
SENATOR

PRÆTOR• HISPANIÆ

SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M







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M·CVRIATIVS·COMPLVTENSIS
PRAETOR NOVAE ROMAE
PRAETOR HISPANIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS GFBM
NOVA ROMA

-------------------------------------------

ex paucis multa, ex minimis maxima
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58035 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] COMPLVTENSIS Y SEVERVS PARA CÓNSVLES
Muito obrigado amigo Reccanelle

Vale

COMPLVTENSIS

El 9 de octubre de 2008 19:37, C•ARMINIVS•RECCANELLVS <c.arminius.reccanellus@...> escribió:



Valete, amici!
 
You have my vote, Severe e Complutense!!!
 
Vale & Valete
C•ARM•RECCANELLVS•MAIOR
======================
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] COMPLVTENSIS Y SEVERVS PARA CÓNSVLES

Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Marcus Iulius Severus omnibus civibus Novae Romae S.P.D.

Ciudadanos de Nova Roma: nosotros, M. Curiatius Complutensis y M. Iulius Severus, hemos asumido y conservado las tradiciones de Roma en nuestras vidas privadas. Hemos inspirado en nuestras familias el amor por Roma y la forma romana de vida, a tal punto que nuestras familias macro-nacionales son, a la vez, nuestras verdaderas familias novorromanas.

Durante nuestra gestión como Praetores, hemos tomado todas las decisiones de común acuerdo, nos hemos consultado de manera permanente y nos hemos complementado mutuamente de una forma integrada y armoniosa.

Fuimos los primeros Praetores que organizaron unos Ludi Apollinares diferentes, para mayor gloria de Apolo y de Nova Roma.

Gracias a nuestras respectivas profesiones macro-nacionales, Complutensis como abogado y Severus como periodista y escritor, creemos sinceramente que tenemos todas las calificaciones necesarias para impulsar el desarrollo de Nova Roma y su presencia en el mundo.

Desde luego, estamos firmemente decididos a cumplir nuestros deberes como Cónsules en total y absoluta colaboración con el Senado, el Collegium Pontificum y los nuevos Praetores.

Creemos que las políticas promovidas por los Cónsules M. Moravius Piscinas Horatianus y T. Iulius Sabinus, han sido las mejores para este año 2008 y, por tanto, es nuestra intención guiarnos por una necesaria continuidad, para fortalecerlas y añadirles nuevas opciones y metas para Nova Roma y los novorromanos.

Creemos sinceramente, desde el fondo mismo de nuestros corazones, que el culto de la Religión Romana no debe ser solamente un tema privado e incluso anecdótico, sino que ha de adquirir una dimensión pública y estar verdaderamente presente en la vida cotidiana de Nova Roma y los novorromanos.

Queremos explorar la posibilidad de que un antiguo templo romano pudiera ser confiado a la custodia de Nova Roma, para practicar públicamente nuestra sagrada Religio y ofrecer el culto apropiado a los Dioses y las Diosas de Roma.

Promoveremos activamente que Nova Roma adquiera personalidad legal en todas las naciones del mundo donde hay comunidades novorromanas, comenzando por la Unión Europea y América Latina, sin descuidar en lo más mínimo Estados Unidos y Canadá.

Confiamos en que en el futuro próximo, Nova Roma habrá de ser no solamente una organización de cultores y recreación histórica; no únicamente una organización educativa y cultural. Queremos que Nova Roma se convierta en un punto obligado de referencia, el eje de un mundo romano que se irá consolidando paso a paso, con nuestro esfuerzo, nuestra dedicación y un trabajo duro y constante.

No solamente deberíamos dedicarnos a estudiar y recrear históricamente el glorioso pasado romano, sino unir nuestros esfuerzos y encontrar aliados, para preservar y proteger nuestra herencia arqueológica romana en todos los lugares  del mundo donde existe, defenderla de las agresiones de cualquier índole, la ignorancia y el descuido, tanto de los gobiernos como de los individuos.

Hay mucho trabajo por delante, ciudadanos. Deseamos emprenderlo y sabemos que podremos hacerlo, con el apoyo de ustedes y su activa participación en la vida de Nova Roma, nuestra vida cotidiana. Por ello, ciudadanos, les pedimos que voten por nosotros en las próximas elecciones.

Curate ut valeate,

M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS

PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
SENATOR

PRÆTOR• HISPANIÆ

SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
ACCENSVS•CONSVLVM• T• IVLII•SABINI•ET• M•MORAVII•PISCINI
SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M
INTERPRETER
MVSÆVS•COLLEGII• ERATOVS•SODALITAT IS•MVSARVM
SOCIVS•CHORI•MVSARVM





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NOVA ROMA

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58036 From: M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: [NR_Argentina] COMPLVTENSIS Y SEVERVS PARA CÓNS
Salve Cassi Lupe

Gracias por tu apoyo y tus palabras, mi colega y yo mismo esperamos y deseamos poder contar siempre con tu apoyo

Cura ut Valeas optime

COMPLVTENSIS

El 9 de octubre de 2008 17:21, Gens Iulia <maite_cat@...> escribió:

Decimus Cassius Lupus Gaia Iulia Agrippa omnes civibus Novae Romae S.P.D.

Apoyamos de todo corazón la candidatura de Marcus Curiatius Complutensis y Marcus Iulius Severus como Cónsules para este próximo año, así como su plataforma política, proyectos e ideología.
Curate ut valeate
 
Decimus Cassius Lupus
Legatus Pro Praetore-ARGENTINÆ

Gaia Ivlia Agrippa
Legata Internis Rebvs

 
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To: "Provincia Argentina" <NR_Argentina@...>; "NR Provincia Hispania" <NRHispania@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:32 PM
Subject: [NR_Argentina] COMPLVTENSIS Y SEVERVS PARA CÓNSVLES EN 2009

Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Marcus Iulius Severus omnes civibus Novae
Romae S.P.D.

Ciudadanos de Nova Roma: nosotros, M. Curiatius Complutensis y M. Iulius Severus, hemos asumido y conservado las tradiciones de Roma en nuestras vidas privadas. Hemos inspirado en nuestras familias el amor por Roma y la forma romana de vida, a tal punto que nuestras familias macro-nacionales son, a la vez, nuestras verdaderas familias novorromanas.
Durante nuestra gestión como Praetores, hemos tomado todas las decisiones de común acuerdo, nos hemos consultado de manera permanente y nos hemos complementado mutuamente de una forma integrada y armoniosa.
Fuimos los primeros Praetores que organizaron unos Ludi Apollinares diferentes, para mayor gloria de Apolo y de Nova Roma.
Gracias a nuestras respectivas profesiones macro-nacionales, Complutensis como abogado y Severus como periodista y escritor, creemos sinceramente que tenemos todas las calificaciones necesarias para impulsar el desarrollo de Nova Roma y su presencia en el mundo.
Desde luego, estamos firmemente decididos a cumplir nuestros deberes como Cónsules en total y absoluta colaboración con el Senado, el Collegium Pontificum y los nuevos Praetores.
Creemos que las políticas promovidas por los Cónsules M. Moravius Piscinas Horatianus y T. Iulius Sabinus, han sido las mejores para este año 2008 y, por tanto, es nuestra intención guiarnos por una necesaria continuidad, para fortalecerlas y añadirles nuevas opciones y metas para Nova Roma y los novorromanos.
Creemos sinceramente, desde el fondo mismo de nuestros corazones, que el culto de la Religión Romana no debe ser solamente un tema privado e incluso anecdótico, sino que ha de adquirir una dimensión pública y estar verdaderamente presente en la vida cotidiana de Nova Roma y los novorromanos.
Queremos explorar la posibilidad de que un antiguo templo romano pudiera ser confiado a la custodia de Nova Roma, para practicar públicamente nuestra sagrada Religio y ofrecer el culto apropiado a los Dioses y las Diosas de Roma.
Promoveremos activamente que Nova Roma adquiera personalidad legal en todas las naciones del mundo donde hay comunidades novorromanas, comenzando por la Unión Europea y América Latina, sin descuidar en lo más mínimo Estados Unidos y Canadá.
Confiamos en que en el futuro próximo, Nova Roma habrá de ser no solamente una organización de cultores y recreación histórica; no únicamente una organización educativa y cultural. Queremos que Nova Roma se convierta en un punto obligado de referencia, el eje de un mundo romano que se irá consolidando paso a paso, con nuestro esfuerzo, nuestra dedicación y un trabajo duro y constante.
No solamente deberíamos dedicarnos a estudiar y recrear históricamente el glorioso pasado romano, sino unir nuestros esfuerzos y encontrar aliados, para preservar y proteger nuestra herencia arqueológica romana en todos los lugares del mundo donde existe, defenderla de las agresiones de cualquier índole, la ignorancia y el descuido, tanto de los gobiernos como de los individuos.
Hay mucho trabajo por delante, ciudadanos. Deseamos emprenderlo y sabemos que podremos hacerlo, con el apoyo de ustedes y su activa participación en la vida de Nova Roma, nuestra vida cotidiana. Por ello, ciudadanos, les pedimos que voten por nosotros en las próximas elecciones.

Curate ut valeate,

M.CVR.COMPLVTENSIS
PRÆTOR.NOVÆ.ROMÆ
SENATOR
PRÆTOR. HISPANIÆ
SCRIBA.CENSORIS. K.F.B.M

M.IVL.SEVERVS
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SENATOR
PRÆTOR.PROVINCIÆ.MEXICO
ACCENSVS.CONSVLVM. T. IVLII.SABINI.ET. M.MORAVII.PISCINI
SCRIBA.CENSORIS. K.F.B.M
INTERPRETER
MVSÆVS.COLLEGII. ERATOVS.SODALITAT IS.MVSARVM
SOCIVS.CHORI.MVSARVM

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58037 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Tabularium Deleted
Cn. Lentulus K. Buteoni sal.


>>> What is the problem?  He doesn't use the Latin word tabularium?  Big deal. <<<


We can leave the words "consul", "praetor" and "senate" next. Big deal. We will be able still to have presidents, co-presidents and Board of Directors. We can then leave the words "citizen", "republic", "sodalitas", but actually we still will have members, corporation and special interest mailing lists.

They are the same, not?... Just the feeling and message represented by them are totally different. And it's very big deal.

We can become an organization similar to the hundreds of other Roman themed organizations, or we can be a resurrected Roman Republic with our consuls, magistrates, senate, laws and Tabularium.

Words are big deal. Especially for Romans.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58038 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Sermo Latinus courses
Sermo Latinus courses A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

    It seems that Yahoo is ailing again, for some messages are duplicated while others do not arrive, but in hopes that some will receive this, I feel that it is time to inform the members of the impending deadline for registration in the Sermo Latinus courses.  These courses will begin on Monday, October 13th, at which time registration will close.  All prospective students must have both the textbook and the recordings in hand before being allowed to register for these courses, and it is very late for that.  Students must also have an ID from the Academia Thules, and it is also quite late to obtain that.  However, those who have the ID and the course materials may contact me for the necessary enrollment key, a process which requires an additional confirmation in the case of Sermo I.  We already have 19 students registered in Sermo I, and anticipate at least another two or three.  Our Latin classes are free except for the cost of materials, and it is wise for all Roman citizens and any others interested in learning Latin to register for one or another of them.  The Grammatica Latina courses have been in progress for some time now, and are closed, but you have a few days to register for Sermo if you have the materials and the ID.  Please contact me for further (non-technical) information; matters concerning the ID/password, etc., must be referred to Saturninus.

  
Valete.  
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58039 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: SECOND CALL FOR CANDIDATES
M. Moravius Piscinus Consul: T. Iulio Sabino Consuli collegae,
Praetoribus, Tribunibus Plebis, Senatoribus Patribus Mátribusque
Conscriptís, viris clarissimis et castissimae mulieribus, omnibus
Civibus Novae Romae, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam dicit:

Ex officio Consularis: "Call for Candidates"

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO
QUIRITIBUS:

I hereby make a second call for candidates to stand for election to
the ordinary magistracies of the Comitia Centuriata and the Comitia
Populi Tributa.

Anyone wishing to serve in any of these positions must have been a
citizen for at least six months by Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXII (January 1st,
2009) and be an assiduus (tax-paying) citizen. I will convene the
comitia for the elections at a later time in November, but candidates
are welcome to announce themselves and begin campaigning if they wish.

All potential candidates must contact me with their intention to
stand for office directly by sending a message to
mhoratius@... (mhoratius at sbcglobal dot net) or to
mhoratius@... (mhoratius at hotmail dot com) in order to be
placed on the ballot. Please include the word "Candidate" in the
subject of the message, and be sure to tell me your full Nova Roman
name and the office for which you will campaign. Simply announcing
your candidacy to one of the lists shall not be accepted. You must
write to me directly.


Candidacies will be accepted until 3 November 2008 (18.00 hrs CET
Rome; 12.00 hrs EST Philadelphia). The contio is tentatively
scheduled to begin on 9 November, with the elections to follow
tentatively beginning on 15 November. Voting should therefore
conclude on 23 November and the elections completed by 1 December at
the latest.


On behalf of the Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae I,
Marcus Moravius Piscinus, Senior Consul, hereby issue this call for
candidates for the following offices:

One CENSOR position: Must be at least 27 years old as of Kal. Ian.
2762(January 1st, 2009). Must already have served at least six months
as a consul, praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister
aranearius (formerly curator araneae), editor commentariorum
(formerly curator differum), rogator, or provincial governor. Must be
assiduus.

Thus far, announcing their candidacies to me have been:

Publius Constantinus Placidus
C. Popillius Laenas


Two CONSUL positions: Must be at least 27 years old as of Kal. Ian.
2762 (January 1st, 2009). Must already have served at least six
months as a consul, praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis,
magister aranearius (formerly curator araneae), editor commentariorum
(formerly curator differum), rogator, or provincial governor. Must be
assiduus.

Thus far, announcing their candidacies to me have been:

M. Iulius Severus
Marcus Curiatius Complutensis


Two PRAETOR positions: Must be at least 25 years old as of Kal. Ian.
2762 (January 1st, 2009). Must already have served at least six
months as a consul, praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis,
magister aranearius (formerly curator araneae), editor commentariorum
(formerly curator differum), rogator, or provincial governor. Must be
assiduus.

Thus far, announcing their candidacies to me have been:

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
P. Memmius Albucius


Two CURULE AEDILES positions: Must be at least 21 years old as of
Kal. Ian. 2762 (January 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

No one has thus far announced their candidacy.


Eight positions as QUAESTORES: Must be at least 21 years old as of
Kal. Ian. 2762 (January 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

Thus far, announcing their candidacies to me have been:

G. Arminius Reccanellus
Ti. Cornelius Scipio
Q. Valerius Poplicola
T. Flavius Aquila
M. Valerius Potitus
C. Petronius Dexter


Two ROGATOR positions: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian.
2762 (January 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

Thus far, announcing his candidacy to me has only been:

Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus


Four DIRIBITOR positions: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal.
Ian. 2762 (January 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

No one has thus far announced their candidacy.


Two CUSTOR positions: Must be at least 21 years old as of Kal. Ian.
2762 (January 1st, 2009). Must be assiduus.

No one has thus far announced their candidacy.


We have very good candidates among those who have announced so far.
We do need other candidates to fill the other positions that are so
necessary for our Res Publica. I urge all Citizens who are elligible
to consider running for office.


While I see that some have already begun to make public announcements
of their candidacies, full campaigning may begin tomorrow on a. d. VI
Eidus Octobris (10 October), thirty days from the opening of the
formal contiones for the Comitia Centuriata and Comitia Populi
Tributa.

Datum sub manu mea ante diem VII Eidus Octobris M. Moravio Piscino T.
Iulio Sabino consulibus, in anno AUC MMDCCLXI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58040 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Tabularium Deleted
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Cn. Cornelio Lentulo salutem dicit

I see your argument and I am sensitive to it.  A tabularium is/was a place.  If we are indicating that a webpage is an actual place then why not call the website "Rome."  Titles and places don't necessary correlate.  I understand your respect for Latin, this is something most of us in Nova Roma share.  But I also understand the desire for ease in locating our laws, degrees, et al.  Perhaps the link could be "laws" on the main page, but the actual page be refered to as the Tabularium.  Seems like a compromise can be had.

Vale;

Caeso Buteo

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

Cn. Lentulus K. Buteoni sal.



>>> What is the problem?  He doesn't use the Latin word tabularium?  Big deal. <<<


We can leave the words "consul", "praetor" and "senate" next. Big deal. We will be able still to have presidents, co-presidents and Board of Directors. We can then leave the words "citizen", "republic", "sodalitas", but actually we still will have members, corporation and special interest mailing lists.

They are the same, not?... Just the feeling and message represented by them are totally different. And it's very big deal.

We can become an organization similar to the hundreds of other Roman themed organizations, or we can be a resurrected Roman Republic with our consuls, magistrates, senate, laws and Tabularium.

Words are big deal. Especially for Romans.




Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58041 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Re: Tabularium *NOT* Deleted
Agricola Marino sal.

Thank you for explaining this. The change is in accordance with an
edict that I issued some time ago on the NRWiki list and NR-Announce
and springs from technical considerations and usability issues.

optime vale




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve Aureliane,
>
> PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:
>
> > I hope that M. Lucretio had the good sense to back up the
> > tabularium before he deleted it as I have always found it to be a
> > good tool, in the past.
>
> It's all still there. All that's been changed is the name of the page
> in the Nova Roma wiki. The old (pre-wiki) tabularium is still at
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/
>
> The wiki tabularium is located at
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Category:Legal_system_(Nova_Roma)
>
> Everything on that page is just as it was when the page heading said
> "Tabularium." All that Agricola changed was the page title.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58042 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: SEGVNDA CONVOCATORIA A CANDIDATOS

M. Moravius Piscinus Consul: T. Iulio Sabino Consuli collegae, Praetoribus, Tribunibus Plebis, Senatoribus Patribus Mátribusque Conscriptís, viris clarissimis et castissimae mulieribus, omnibus Civibus Novae Romae, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam dicit:

Ex officio Consularis: Convocatoria a candidatos

QVOD BONVM FAVSTVM FELIX FORTVNATVMQVE SIT POPVLO NOVO ROMANO QVIRITIBVS:

Convoco por este medio, por segunda ocasión, a los candidatos para la elección de magistraturas ordinarias en los Comitia Centuriata y los Comitia Populi Tributa.

Quien desee servir en cualquiera de estos cargos deberá haber sido ciudadano al menos durante seis meses para las Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXII (primero de enero de 2009) y ser ciudadano assiduus (pagador de impuestos) citizen. Convocaré a los comitia para las elecciones en una fecha por determinar del mes de noviembre próximo, pero los candidatos son bienvenidos para que se den a conocer e inicien sus campañas, si así lo desean.

Todos los posibles candidatos deberán ponerse en contacto conmigo e informarme directamente de su intención de contender por alguna magistratura, mediante un mensaje de correo electrónico a mhoratius@... o mhoratius@hotmail a fin de que sean incluidos en la boleta. Incluyan por favor la palabra “Candidato” en el tema de su mensaje y asegúrense de hacer constar su nombre romano completo y el cargo para el que harán campaña. El solo anuncio de su candidatura en alguna de las listas de correos, será inaceptable. Deberán escribirme directamente.

Las candidaturas serán aceptadas hasta el 3 de noviembre de 2008 a las 18:00 horas tiempo de Roma (ver las zonas horarias en http://www.timeandd ate.com/worldclo ck/). El contio está programado tentativamente para iniciarse el 9 de noviembre y las elecciones, a partir del 15 de noviembre.

En nombre de la Res Publica Libera Senatus Populique Novae Romae yo, Marcus Moravius Piscinus, Cónsul Mayor, convoco aquí y ahora a los candidatos para los siguientes cargos:

I CENSOR: Deberá tener al menos 27 años de edad cumplidos a las Kal. Ian. 2762 (primero de enero de 2009). Deberá haber servido al menos seis meses como cónsul, praetor,  aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius (anteriormente curator araneae), editor commentariorum (anteriormente curator differum), rogator, o gobernador provincial. Deberá ser assiduus.

Hasta el momento, quienes me han anunciado su candidatura, son:

Publius Constantinus Placidus

C. Popillius Laenas

II CÓNSULES: Deberán tener al menos 27 años de edad cumplidos a las Kal. Ian. 2762 (primero de enero de 2009). Deberán haber servido al menos seis meses como cónsul, praetor,  aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magister aranearius (anteriormente curator araneae), editor commentariorum (anteriormente curator differum), rogator, o gobernador provincial. Deberán ser assiduus.

Hasta el momento, quienes me han anunciado su candidatura, son:

Marcus Iulius Severus

M. Curiatius Complutensis

II PRAETORES: Deberán tener al menos 25 años de edad cumplidos a las Kal. Ian. 2762 (primero de enero de 2009). Debverámn haber servido al menos durante seis meses como cónsul, praetor, aedilis, quaestor, tribunus plebis, magíster aranearius (anteriormente curator araneae), editor commentariorum (anteriormente curator differum), rogator, o gobernador provincial. Deberán ser assiduus.

Hasta el momento, quienes me han anunciado su candidatura, son:

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

P. Memmius Albucius

II CURULE AEDILES: Deberán tener al menos 21 años de edad cumplidos a las Kal. Ian. 2762 (primero de enero de 2009). Deberán ser assiduus.

Nadie hasta el momento ha anunciado su candidatura.

VIII QUAESTORES: Deberán tener al menos 21 años de edad cumplidos a las Kal. Ian. 2762 (primero de enero de 2009). Deberán ser assiduus.

Hasta el momento, quienes me han anunciado su candidatura, son:

G. Arminius Reccanellus

Ti. Cornelius Scipio

Q. Valerius Poplicola

T. Flavius Aquila

M. Valerius Potitos

C. Petronius Dexter

II ROGATORES: Deberán tener al menos 21 años de edad cumplidos a las Kal. Ian. 2762 (primero de enero de 2009). Deberán ser assiduus.

Hasta el momento, el único que me ha anunciado su candidatura, ha sido:

Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus

IV DIRIBITORES: Deberán tener al menos 21 años de edad cumplidos a las Kal. Ian. 2762 (primero de enero de 2009). Deberán ser assiduus.

Nadie hasta el momento ha anunciado su candidatura.

II CUSTODES: Deberán tener al menos 21 años de edad cumplidos a las Kal. Ian. 2762 (primero de enero de 2009). Deberán ser assiduus.

Nadie hasta el momento ha anunciado su candidatura.

Tenemos muy buenos candidatos entre quienes se han dado a conocer hasta ahora.

Necesitamos más candidatos a los otros cargos, que son muy necesarios para nuestra Res publica. Apelo urgentemente a todos los ciudadanos elegibles para que consideren presentar su candidatura.

Aun cuando estoy consciente de que algunos han comenzado a hacer anuncios públicos, las campañas podrán comenzar mañana, a. d. VI Eidus Octobris (10 de octubre), 30 días antes de la apertura formal de los contienes para los Comitia Centuriata y Comitia Populi Tributa.

Datum sub manu mea ante diem VII Eidus Octobris M. Moravio Piscino T.
Iulio Sabino consulibus, in anno AVC MMDCCLXI


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58043 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-10-09
Subject: Simple Roman calendar by e-mail, 10/10/2008, 12:00 am
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Simple Roman calendar by e-mail
 
Date:   Friday October 10, 2008
Time:   All Day
Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
Notes:   To get a simple Roman calendar with Religio Romana holidays listed by daily e-mail, send a message to fasti-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
 
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58044 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 10, 2008.
C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d,
 
Today in Rome :
 
(Julian day : 2 454 750).
 
A.d. VI Idus Octobres
MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio
 
Day of the week : Veneris dies (Friday).
 
Lunaris dies: XII.
Nundinal letter : C.
 
Hora ortus Solis : 07:17.
Hora occasus Solis : 18:36.
Temp. Min. : 11° C.
Temp. Max. : 24° C.
Humidity: 70%.
Wind on Rome : 13 Km/h.
Weather : Sun.
 
Horae diei :
 
I: 07:17 - 08:04 Lunae hora.
II: 08:04 - 08:51 Saturni hora.
III: 08:51 -09:38 Iovis hora.
IV: 09:38 - 10:25 Martis hora.
V: 10:25 - 11:12 Solis hora.
VI: 11:12 - 12:00 Veneris hora.
VII: 12:00 - 13:06 Mercurii hora.
VIII: 13:06 - 14:12 Lunae hora.
IX: 14:12 - 15:18 Saturni hora.
X: 15:18 - 16:24 Iovis hora.
XI: 16:24 - 17:30 Martis hora.
XII: 17:30 - 18:36 Solis hora.
 
Horae noctis :
 
I: 18:36 - 19:30 Veneris hora.
II: 19:30 - 20:24 Mercurii hora.
III: 20:24 - 21:18 Lunae hora.
IV: 21:18 - 22:12 Saturni hora.
V: 22:12 - 23:06 Iovis hora.
VI: 23:06 - 00:00 Martis hora.
VII: 00:00 - 01:13 Solis hora.
VIII: 01:13 - 02:26 Veneris hora.
IX: 02:26 - 03:39 Mercurii hora.
X: 03:39 - 04:52 Lunae hora.
XI: 04:52 - 06:05 Saturni hora.
XII: 06:05 - 07:18 Iovis hora.
 

Valete.
 
C. Petronius Dexter.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58045 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] AQUILA FOR QUAESTOR

 

Aquila Severo salutem plurimam dicit

 
et magnas gratias tibi ago,amice !

 

Thank you very much for your support and your kind words.

 

Di te incolumem custodiant

 

Titus Flavius Aquila

 


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Betreff: Re: [Nova-Roma] AQUILA FOR QUAESTOR

Severus Aquilae omnibusque sal.
 
Plurimas gratias, amice, for your support!
I am convinced that you will be the finest Quaestor that our Res publica could have.
I know very well about your dedication, your hard work, your clear vision, your knowledge and your capabilities.
I'll vote for you, and I encourage our citizens to do the same.
 
Vale, et valete,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58046 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: SECOND CALL FOR CANDIDATES
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
>
> M. Moravius Piscinus Consul: T. Iulio Sabino Consuli collegae,
> Praetoribus, Tribunibus Plebis, Senatoribus Patribus Mátribusque
> Conscriptís, viris clarissimis et castissimae mulieribus, omnibus
> Civibus Novae Romae, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam dicit:
>
> Ex officio Consularis: "Call for Candidates"
>
> QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO
> QUIRITIBUS:
>
> I hereby make a second call for candidates to stand for election to
> the ordinary magistracies of the Comitia Centuriata and the Comitia
> Populi Tributa.
>

Agricola Omnibus sal.

I want to piggyback on the consul's message to let you know how the
web page for elections works.

When I am informed by Consul Piscinus of candidates for the ordinary
magistracies of the Comitia Centuriata and the Comitia Populi Tributa,
I add a link to the election page and I create a stub "Statement" page
for each candidate. For the Comitia Plebis Tributa, it is the Tribunes
of the Plebs who pass me the names and I then follow the same procedure.

Candidates are free to use their statement pages in any reasonable
way, and they can edit these pages themselves or they can recruit
others to do it. Of course, anyone can ask me to fill up their
statement page, but if everyone asks me then nobody will have it done
quickly. Here we can really see the power of our open Mediawiki-based
system.

Since Mediawiki records who makes edits, and only logged-in users can
edit, there is no chance that vandalism, should it happen, would go
unnoticed or unpunished.

The statement pages automatically show the candidate's portrait, if
available. Portrait help is available here:
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/NovaRoma:Submit_Citizen_Photo and I am
available to help with that as well.

The statement pages also link to the candidates' biography pages.
There you will find links into the Album Civium and a small link to
Wiki contributions, as well as information about offices held and so
forth.

Optime valete in cura deorum!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58047 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Octobris: Iunoni Monetae
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:

Hodie dies est ante diem VI Eidus Octobris; haec dies comitialis est:
Iunoni Monetae

A temple for Juno Moneta was originally dedicated on the Arx on 1
June 344 BCE over the site of Manilius' house. Mention of this other
festival for Juno Moneta on 10 Oct. comes from the fasti of Forum
Novum (CIL 9, 4769). So why is there a second festival for Juno
Moneta?

"The principal incidents in the provinces this year (173 BCE) were
the following: C. Cicereius fought a regular engagement in Corsica;
7000 of the enemy were killed and over 1700 made prisoners. During
the battle the praetor vowed a temple to Juno Moneta. After this the
Corsicans begged for peace, which was granted to them on condition of
their paying a tribute of 200,000 pounds of wax." ~ Livy 42.7.1

"Before the consuls left the City the senate gave an audience to C.
Cicereius in the temple of Bellona. He gave an account of what he had
done in Corsica, but his request for a triumph was refused, and he
celebrated his triumph instead on the Alban Mount, without the
sanction of the senate, a thing which had become quite customary." ~
Livy 42.21.7

"During this year (168 BCE) C. Cicereius dedicated the temple of Juno
Moneta on the Alban Mount, five years after he had vowed it, and L.
Postumius Albinus was inaugurated as a Flamen of Mars." ~ Livy
45.15.10

As part of the Augustan Restoration the temples and culti Deorum of
nearby Latin cities, colonies, and of some Italic tribes as well were
incorporated into the religio Romana. The so-called Restoration
became more and more an innovative program as antiquarians revived,
and often invented, culti Deorum that were new to Rome. The festival
of the dedication of a temple of Juno Moneta on Mount Alba was one of
these. Cassius Dio recorded a portent that took place at this
temple, "at a small temple of Juno, placed on a certain offering
table, facing east, turned to the north (39.20)." The implication is
that the numen of Juno at this Alban sanctuary reoriented the model
of Her temple onto Rome in the north, as Rome had become the center
of the world. More specifically the Augustan temples on the Palatine
had become an omphalus, by implication replacing Delos and Delphi as
they had once been the religious center of a network of temple sites
throughout the Aegean. (For more on this concept see Jean
Richer, "Sacred Geography of the Ancient Greeks," 1994 ISBN 0-7914-
2024-8) It can be truthfully said that following the Civil Wars
Augustus refounded the religio Romana. In this he was emulating
something that had been done in the past.


AUC 363 / 390 BCE: As the Gauls approached Rome

"While all this was going on, the Flamen of Quirinus and the Vestal
virgins, without giving a thought to their own property, were
deliberating as to which of the sacred things they ought to take with
them, and which to leave behind, since they had not strength enough
to carry all, and also what place would be the safest for their
custody. They thought best to conceal what they could not take in
earthen jars and bury them under the chapel next to the Flamen's
house, where spitting is now forbidden. The rest they divided amongst
them and carried off, taking the road which leads by the Pons
Sublicius to the Janiculum. Whilst ascending that hill they were seen
by L. Albinius, a Roman plebeian who with the rest of the crowd who
were unfit for war was leaving the City. Even in that critical hour
the distinction between sacred and profane was not forgotten. He had
his wife and children with him in a wagon, and it seemed to him an
act of impiety for him and his family to be seen in a vehicle whilst
the national priests should be trudging along on foot, bearing the
sacred vessels of Rome. He ordered his wife and children to get down,
put the virgins and their sacred burden in the wagon, and drove them
to Caere, their destination." ~ Livy 5.40


AUC 772 / 19 CE: The Death of Germanicus at Antioch.

"Soon (Piso) was detained there by the failing health of Germanicus,
but when he heard of his recovery, while people were paying the vows
they had offered for his safety, he went attended by his lictors,
drove away the victims placed by the altars with all the preparations
for sacrifice, and the festal gathering of the populace of Antioch.
Then he left for Seleucia and awaited the result of the illness which
had again attacked Germanicus. The terrible intensity of the malady
was increased by the belief that he had been poisoned by Piso. And
certainly there were found hidden in the floor and in the walls
disinterred remains of human bodies, incantations and spells, and the
name of Germanicus inscribed on leaden tablets, half-burnt cinders
smeared with blood, and other horrors by which in popular belief
souls are devoted to the infernal (Tacitus Annales 2.69)."

Then, as today, the death of a popular person like Germanicus dredged
up a number of conspiracy theories. Piso and his wife Placina were
blamed for poisoning Germanicus, with Tiberius portrayed as behind
the scheme. In all likelihood, though, Germanicus had contracted
some illness while sailing down the Nile to Thebes, just before he
was sent on to Antioch.

After his death several honors were given Germanicus. Celebration of
his birthday (24 May 15 BCE) is still found on the military calendar
from Dura Europus, 223-227 CE. Flamines Augustales for him were to be
chosen only from gens Iulia. His name was included into the Carmen
of the Salii. An effigy of Germanicus was to lead the transvectio
equium Romanorum on the Ides of July. Still other honors are
recounted by Tacitus, of which he wrote, "Many of these honors still
remain; some were dropped at once, or became obsolete with time."


The thought for today comes from Seneca, "On the Shortness of Life"
1.2:

"It is not that we have a short space of time, but that we waste much
of it. Life is long enough, and it has been given in sufficiently
generous measure to allow the accomplishment of the very greatest
things if the whole of it is well invested. But when it is squandered
in luxury and carelessness, when it is devoted to no good end, forced
at last by the ultimate necessity we perceive that it has passed away
before we were aware that it was passing. So it is -the life we
receive is not short, but we make it so, nor do we have any lack of
it, but are wasteful of it. Just as great and princely wealth is
scattered in a moment when it comes into the hands of a bad owner,
while wealth however limited, if it is entrusted to a good guardian,
increases by use, so our life is amply long for him who orders it
properly."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58048 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: religio?
In a message dated 9/29/2008 2:40:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cases@... writes:
I think what Guzzo said could justify invoking the "blasphemy clause",
but I also think placing him under trial would do no good and only
contribute to esclating the situation and stirring more unrest.
 
After looking over the various transcripts, my opinion is the Clause need not be invoked.
Freedoms here allow M. Guzzo to make his statements, we are not forced to answer, nor set him straight.
 
Q. Fabius Maximus 



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58049 From: P. Dominus Antonius Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: Tabularium Deleted
Ah, the sweet voice of compromise.
--
>|P. Dominus Antonius|<
Legio XX VV
Tony Dah m

Si vis pacem, para bellum - Vegetius
Mahometismus religio pacis, nex omnibus dissidentibus.


On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:48 PM, David Kling (Modianus)
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Cn. Cornelio Lentulo salutem dicit
>
> I see your argument and I am sensitive to it. A tabularium is/was a place.
> If we are indicating that a webpage is an actual place then why not call the
> website "Rome." Titles and places don't necessary correlate. I understand
> your respect for Latin, this is something most of us in Nova Roma share.
> But I also understand the desire for ease in locating our laws, degrees, et
> al. Perhaps the link could be "laws" on the main page, but the actual page
> be refered to as the Tabularium. Seems like a compromise can be had.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58050 From: sixthcenturykatafractos Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: First Post
Avete
I've just petitioned for citizenship and thought I'd say hello. I'm also in the SCA and have
been doing 6th century Roman/Byzantine for several years. I'm looking forward to expanding
my research into earlier times.
I can't help but notice all the chalk dust in the air; I'm glad the elections are more honorable
than some I could name.
Marcus Deius, congradulations on the baby! What household/group are you in? I live in the
Debatable Lands.
Hope all is well with all of you.
alete
Marcus Hortensius Rufus/Marc Bloom (Red)

PS Hi Iulia, I like the new things on your site. Red
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58051 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: First Post
Salve Rufe!

Welcome to Nova Roma. It'll be interesting to have your later empire
prespective.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Marcus Hortensius Rufus <barak@...> writes:

> Avete
> I've just petitioned for citizenship and thought I'd say hello.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58052 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: religio?
Salvete Omnes,

Since I have joined the newsgroups this is an issue that comes up
quite often. On both sides there needs to be tolerance for each
other's sacred beliefs, or non-beliefs, and restraint in expressing
opinions thusly.
It is important that we maintain civil dignity and utilize well
thought out written communication to make our positions known without
offending each other. When discussions along these lines become
personal they are no longer credible and constructive. As always
cooler heads prevail.

Nova Roma is clear about this issue:
http://novaroma.org/nr/FAQ
"Do I have to practice Roman religion to join?
Absolutely not. We have absolutely no interest in the private
religious lives of any of our citizens. All that's required is a love
of all things Roman. Although most of our citizens are currently
Polytheists of one ilk or another, and the public "State" religion of
Nova Roma is the Religio Romana, we do not require ordinary citizens
to practice Roman Polytheism. Magistrates, because they are not only
civil servants but also have functions within the Religio Romana,
must at least be willing to fulfill those religious functions."

Nova Roma is also clear about "RELIGIO ROMANA BLASPHEMY DECRETUM"
found at this link:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Decretum_Pontificum_about_the_crime_of_blasphem
y_%28Nova_Roma%29


Valete!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58053 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-10
Subject: Re: First Post
L. Julia Aquila M. Hortensio Rufo S.P.D. S.V.B.E.E.V

Welcome to Nova Roma! I am also fairly new so I cannot offer you much
beyond a hale and hearty welcome and extend the hand of friendship!

Optime vale!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58054 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 11, 2008.
C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d,
 
Today in Rome :
 
(Julian day : 2 454 751).
 
A.d. V Idus Octobres
MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio.
 
Day of the week : Saturni dies (Saturday).
 
Lunaris dies: XIII.
Nundinal letter : D.
 
Hora ortus Solis : 07:18.
Hora occasus Solis : 18:34
Temp. Min. : 11°C.
Temp. Max. : 24°C 
Humidity: 72%.
Wind on Rome : 11 Km/h.
Weather : .Sun with clouds.
 
Horae diei :
 
I: 07:18 - 08:05 Martis hora.
II: 08:05 - 08:52 Solis hora.
III: 08:52 - 09:39 Veneris hora.
IV: 09:39 - 10:26 Mercurii hora.
V: 10:26 - 11:13 Lunae hora.
VI: 11:13 - 12:00 Saturni hora.
VII: 12:00 - 13:06 Iovis hora.
VIII: 13:06 - 14:12 Martis hora.
IX: 14:12 - 15:17 Solis hora.
X: 15:17 - 16:23 Veneris hora.
XI: 16:23 - 17:28 Mercurii hora.
XII: 17:28 - 18:34 Lunae hora.
 
Horae noctis :
 
I: 18:34 - 19:28 Saturni hora.
II: 19:28 - 20:23 Iovis hora.
III: 20:23 - 21:17 Martis hora.
IV: 21:17 - 22:12 Solis hora.
V: 22:12 - 23:06 Veneris hora.
VI: 23:06 - 00:00 Mercurii hora.
VII: 00:00 - 01:13 Lunae hora.
VIII: 01:13 - 02:26 Saturni hora.
IX: 02:26 - 03:39 Iovis hora.
X: 03:39 - 04:52 Martis hora.
XI: 04:52 - 06:05 Solis hora.
XII: 06:05 - 07:19 Veneris hora.
 

Valete.
 
C. Petronius Dexter.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58055 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: a. d. V Eidus Octobris: Meditrinalia
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
omnibus salute plurimam dicit: Meditrina vos ament.

Hodie dies est ante diem V Eidus Octobris; haec dies nefastus
piaculum est: Meditrinalia ludi feriae Iovi.

"In the month of October the Meditrinalia was named for mederi,
(meaning, to be healed), because Flaccus, the flamen Martialis used
to say that on this day it was the practice to pour an offering of
new and old wine for the God, and to taste of the same, for the
purpose of being healed; which many are accustomed to do even now,
when they say, 'New wine and old I drink, of illness new and old am I
cured.'" ~ M. Terrentius Varro L. L. 6.21

Nouem uetus uinum bibo: nouo ueteri morbo medeor


"Romulus poured libations of milk, not wine; proof of this lies in
the rites established by him that preserve this custom today. The
Postumian law of King Numa says, 'Do not sprinkle wine on the funeral
pyre.' Nor can anyone doubt that his reason for sanctioning this law
was the scarcity of wine. By the same law he made it illegal to offer
to the Gods libations of wine from an unpruned vine." ~ Plinius
Secundus, H. N. 14.88

It was believed, incorrectly, that viticulture was first introduced
to Rome during the reign of Romulus (Plinius Secundus H. N. 14.89;
Valerius Maximus 6.3.9). On this basis modern historians have come to
consider some festivals older than others. The division is more
of one based on appropriate offerings with wine not generally given
to Goddesses, except Venus, or to Manes except under certain
circumstances. A great deal of lore grew around the cultivation of
the vine, as well as any other crop, and some advice used in ancient
times is still employed by good farmers and gardeners today.

"It is the greatest consequence to the grape that it should be
gathered while the moon is on the increase. Each pressing should fill
twenty culei (1 culeus = the volume of 20 amphorae), that being a
fair proportion. To fill twenty culei and vats from twenty iugera
(approx. 10 acres) of vineyard, a single press will be enough.

"This is the season too for extracting the lees of wine and for
boiling the defrutum; this last must be done on a night when there is
no moon, or, if it is a full moon, during the daytime. At other times
of the year it must be done either before the moon has risen, or
after it sets.

"The proper time until the vintage has aged is between the vernal
equinox and the setting of the Vergiliae, a period of forty-four days
(2 April)." ~ Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.74


Roman Remedies

Today being a festival to preserve one's health – Meditrina is a
Goddess of Healing – I thought it a good time to look at some
remedies mentioned in Pliny.

"For a cough, beat up fifty bitter almonds, shelled, in honey, with
one acetabulum of anise. Another very easy remedy, too, is to mix
three drachmæ of anise with two of poppies and some honey, a piece
the size of a bean being taken three times a-day. Its main
excellence, however, is as a carminative; hence it is that (anise) is
so good for flatulency of the stomach, griping pains of the
intestines, and cÂœliac affections. A decoction of it, smelt at and
drunk, arrests hiccup, and a decoction of the leaves removes
indigestion. A decoction of (anise) with parsley, if applied to the
nostrils, will arrest sneezing. Taken in drink, anise promotes sleep,
disperses calculi of the bladder, arrests vomiting and swelling of
the viscera, and acts as an excellent pectoral for affections of the
chest, and of the diaphragm, where the body is tightly laced. It is
beneficial, also, to pour a decoction of it, in oil, upon the head
for head-ache." ~ C. Plinius Secunda, Historia Naturalis 20.73


If parsley and anise doesn't stop your sneezing fits, "it is said
too, that to touch the nostrils of a mule with the lips, will arrest
sneezing and hiccup. For this last purpose, Varro recommends us to
scratch the palm, first of one hand and then of the other; while many
say that it is a good plan to shift the ring from off the left hand
to the longest finger of the right, and then to plunge the hands into
hot water." ~ C. Plinius Secunda, Historia Naturalis 28.15


The most famous remedy in the ancient world was the supposed cure for
snake venom:

"(Finally) we will take this opportunity of describing a very famous
preparation extracted from them as an antidote against the stings of
all kinds of venomous animals: it is inscribed in verse1 upon a stone
in the Temple ofAesculapius at Cos:

Take two denarii of wild thyme, and the same quantity of opopanax and
meum respectively; one denarius of trefoil seed; and of aniseed,
fennel-seed, ammi, and parsley, six denarii respectively, with twelve
denarii of meal of fitches. Beat up these ingredients together, and
pass them through a sieve; after which they must be kneaded with the
best wine that can be had, and then made into lozenges of one
victoriatus each: one of these is to be given to the patient, steeped
in three cyathi of wine. King Antiochus the Great, it is said,
employed this theriaca against all kinds of venomous animals, the asp
excepted." ~ C. Plinius Secunda, Historia Naturalis 20.100

A knowledge of herbs would reveal that this concoction is an
abortative and intended to drive out the "venom" of a very different
sort of snake than Pliny had in mind. Almost all of the ingredients
are mentioned by Pliny elsewhere, where he tells of their effects as
abortatives or emmenegogues. But, generally, it would require larger
doses than indicated here. A "victoriatus" is a half-denarius
introduced as the quinarius by a Lex Clodia in the Late Republic. Its
popular name derived from the image of Victoria that was stamped upon
it.


Our thought for today comes from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 10.16:

"No longer talk at all about the kind of man that a good man ought to
be. Be such a man!"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58056 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Rufo s.d.

Welcome in Nova Roma, Rufe !

Just for my info and I suppose the most of non-U.S. Novi Romani, and
following another previous post: what does "SCA" mean, here?

Thanks et vale,


P. Memmius Albucius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "sixthcenturykatafractos"
<barak@...> wrote:
>
> Avete
> I've just petitioned for citizenship and thought I'd say hello. I'm
also in the SCA and have
> been doing 6th century Roman/Byzantine for several years. I'm
looking forward to expanding
> my research into earlier times.
> I can't help but notice all the chalk dust in the air; I'm glad the
elections are more honorable
> than some I could name.
> Marcus Deius, congradulations on the baby! What household/group are
you in? I live in the
> Debatable Lands.
> Hope all is well with all of you.
> alete
> Marcus Hortensius Rufus/Marc Bloom (Red)
>
> PS Hi Iulia, I like the new things on your site. Red
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58057 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
SCA is the Society for Creative Anachronism. You can read about them
here, for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Creative_Anachronism


Agricola


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
<albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> Rufo s.d.
>
> Welcome in Nova Roma, Rufe !
>
> Just for my info and I suppose the most of non-U.S. Novi Romani, and
> following another previous post: what does "SCA" mean, here?
>
> Thanks et vale,
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "sixthcenturykatafractos"
> <barak@> wrote:
> >
> > Avete
> > I've just petitioned for citizenship and thought I'd say hello. I'm
> also in the SCA and have
> > been doing 6th century Roman/Byzantine for several years. I'm
> looking forward to expanding
> > my research into earlier times.
> > I can't help but notice all the chalk dust in the air; I'm glad the
> elections are more honorable
> > than some I could name.
> > Marcus Deius, congradulations on the baby! What household/group are
> you in? I live in the
> > Debatable Lands.
> > Hope all is well with all of you.
> > alete
> > Marcus Hortensius Rufus/Marc Bloom (Red)
> >
> > PS Hi Iulia, I like the new things on your site. Red
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58058 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: LUDI Octobris - EQUUS OCTOBER races and fights Call upon all PLEBE

Salvete Plebeians,

 

I am calling upon you to participate in the Ludi Octobris- EQUUS October , be our contestants in these noble games

between Patricians and Plebeians. 

 

Plebeians, take this opportunity especially in the 10th year of our Republic of Nova Roma to join the ludi as contestant

and thus defend the honour of us Plebeians.

 

For your information:The Equus is really special and important and an typically Roman event.The Equus celebrates the

old opposition Plebs vs. Nobilitas in Roma Antiqua.

 

Optime valete

Titus Flavius Aquila

Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

 

 

You will find further informations about the Equus October events on:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Equirria_~_Ludi_Octobris_2761_AUC_%
28Nova_Roma%29

The aedilitas curulis needs you all for this very ancient and special
day.

We are waiting :

1/ drivers (aurigae) and their rig (a 2 horses chariot) for the race
around the Campus Martius ;

2/ 6 gladiators to fight for both sides, the Plebeian and the
Patrician ones

3/ 2 runners, one Patrician and one Plebeian, to defend both
Nobilitas and Plebs side.

Usual as new aurigae and gladiators are welcome. The first ones will
be able to score for the Final 2761 results.

It is the first opportunity to take part us all to this particular
time in Rome history, religion, mythology.

You can see in the web page that factiones are shared between Plebs
and Nobilitas, Via Sacra neighborhood and Suburra one.

We need you, Viri Illustissimi, to support Patrician entries. We need
you Tribunes Plebis, to mobilize the Plebs and the Plebeian Ludi
owners. We need all Factiones leaders to mobilize their members.

Romani, do not miss this special time in our life. This is in such
events that Rome's heart beat.

Valete omnes !


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58059 From: Colin Brodd Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Valerianus for Rogator
Gaius Tullius Valerianus omnibus civibus Romanis S.P.D.
 
Avete atque salvete, cives! I stand before you in the Forum Romanum in my toga candida to announce that I wish to stand for the office of Rogator!
 
Some of you know me. I have been a citizen since June of MMDCCLIII (2000 C.E.), which was also the year I began my macronational career as a Latin teacher. I am a Latinist, a cultor deorum, and I am now serving as the legatus for the Regio of Rhode Island in the province of Nova Britannia. I have been able to recruit at least one new citizen for my regio, and hope to do more to bring life and vitality back to my tiny regio.
 
I am seeking the first step on my cursus honorum, the office of Rogator. Processing applications for citizenship is a important task, as the citizens of Nova Roma are its life. I look forward to working with the office of the censors in this vital undertaking. You know that I shall always be a faithful supporter of Nova Roma, and I hope that I can count on the support of all good citizens!

Curate ut valeatis, omnes!
 
C. TULLIUM VALERIANUM ROGATOREM O.V.F.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58060 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Salve Albuci,

Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> writes:

> Just for my info and I suppose the most of non-U.S. Novi Romani, and
> following another previous post: what does "SCA" mean, here?

SCA is the Society for Creative Anachronism. It's a worldwide
organization, much larger than Nova Roma. In Europe the SCA has
members in Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany and Luxembourg,
Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands and Belgium, Romania,
Sicily, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.

For more see http://www.sca.org

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58061 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Albucio s.d.

> Just for my info and I suppose the most of non-U.S. Novi Romani, and
> following another previous post: what does "SCA" mean, here?
>
> Thanks et vale,

In a short moment, I had believed to read "CSA" (Conferate States of
America), states rebels of the South during the Civil war. ;o)

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58062 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Marino s.d.

Ah, ok! I must admit that I had asked Google on this, but had so
many "sca" answers, including "Sexual Compulsives Anonymous" one that
I preferred asking the concerned/involved people.

Thanks et vale,


Albucius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
wrote:
>
> Salve Albuci,
>
> Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> writes:
>
> > Just for my info and I suppose the most of non-U.S. Novi Romani,
and
> > following another previous post: what does "SCA" mean, here?
>
> SCA is the Society for Creative Anachronism. It's a worldwide
> organization, much larger than Nova Roma. In Europe the SCA has
> members in Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany and
Luxembourg,
> Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands and Belgium, Romania,
> Sicily, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.
>
> For more see http://www.sca.org
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58063 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Dextro s.d.

Thanks for your post, Dexter !

Marinus has been, as usual, the quickest for bringing the (good)
answer.

Vale !


Albucius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
<jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
>
> Albucio s.d.
>
> > Just for my info and I suppose the most of non-U.S. Novi Romani,
and
> > following another previous post: what does "SCA" mean, here?
> >
> > Thanks et vale,
>
> In a short moment, I had believed to read "CSA" (Conferate States
of
> America), states rebels of the South during the Civil war. ;o)
>
> Vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58064 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: LUDI Octobris - EQUUS OCTOBER races and fights Call upon allPL

Salve Aquila!
 
Count me in! I'm needing some action!
 
Vale,
 
Lusitanus SPD.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:38 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] LUDI Octobris - EQUUS OCTOBER races and fights Call upon allPLEBEIANS !

Salvete Plebeians,

 

I am calling upon you to participate in the Ludi Octobris- EQUUS October , be our contestants in these noble games

between Patricians and Plebeians. 

 

Plebeians, take this opportunity especially in the 10th year of our Republic of Nova Roma to join the ludi as contestant

and thus defend the honour of us Plebeians.

 

For your information: The Equus is really special and important and an typically Roman event.The Equus celebrates the

old opposition Plebs vs. Nobilitas in Roma Antiqua.

 

Optime valete

Titus Flavius Aquila

Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

 

 

You will find further informations about the Equus October events on:

http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Equirria _~_Ludi_Octobris _2761_AUC_ %
28Nova_Roma% 29

The aedilitas curulis needs you all for this very ancient and special
day.

We are waiting :

1/ drivers (aurigae) and their rig (a 2 horses chariot) for the race
around the Campus Martius ;

2/ 6 gladiators to fight for both sides, the Plebeian and the
Patrician ones

3/ 2 runners, one Patrician and one Plebeian, to defend both
Nobilitas and Plebs side.

Usual as new aurigae and gladiators are welcome. The first ones will
be able to score for the Final 2761 results.

It is the first opportunity to take part us all to this particular
time in Rome history, religion, mythology.

You can see in t he web page that factiones are shared between Plebs
and Nobilitas, Via Sacra neighborhood and Suburra one.

We need you, Viri Illustissimi, to support Patrician entries. We need
you Tribunes Plebis, to mobilize the Plebs and the Plebeian Ludi
owners. We need all Factiones leaders to mobilize their members.

Romani, do not miss this special time in our life. This is in such
events that Rome's heart beat.

Valete omnes !




__________ NOD32 3505 (20081008) Information __________

This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58065 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Salve Albuci,

Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> writes:

> Marino s.d.
>
> Ah, ok! I must admit that I had asked Google on this, but had so
> many "sca" answers, including "Sexual Compulsives Anonymous"

Oh that's great! Considering that a lot of people call the SCA the Society
of Consenting Adults because of their reputation for ... shall we say ...
a somewhat Rousseau-esque unofficial policy of free love, that's entirely
apt.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58066 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
>>a hale and hearty welcome<<

How about a Laurel and Hardy handshake?

(For those who don't understand, see the movie "Blazzing Saddles".

Valete,

C. Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58067 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Marino Laenatique s.d.


I will take in due consideration your both informations (warnings?)
and teachings.
Thanks for the fresh air that they bring in!

Valete ambo,


Albucius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
<gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
>
> >>a hale and hearty welcome<<
>
> How about a Laurel and Hardy handshake?
>
> (For those who don't understand, see the movie "Blazzing Saddles".
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Popillius Laenas
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58068 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: LUDI Octobris - EQUUS OCTOBER races and fights Call upon all P
Salve,

How do we enter? I read the info but cannot find the link to enter...

Vale

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila
<titus.aquila@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Plebeians,
>  
> I am calling upon you to participate in the Ludi Octobris-
EQUUS October , be our contestants in these noble games
> between Patricians and Plebeians. 
>  
> Plebeians, take this opportunity especially in the 10th year of our
Republic of Nova Roma to join the ludi as contestant
> and thus defend the honour of us Plebeians.
>  
> For your information:The Equus is really special and important and
an typically Roman event.The Equus celebrates the
> old opposition Plebs vs. Nobilitas in Roma Antiqua.
>  
> Optime valete
> Titus Flavius Aquila
> Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma
>  
>  
> You will find further informations about the Equus October events
on:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Equirria_~_Ludi_Octobris_2761_AUC_%
> 28Nova_Roma%29
>
> The aedilitas curulis needs you all for this very ancient and
special
> day.
>
> We are waiting :
>
> 1/ drivers (aurigae) and their rig (a 2 horses chariot) for the race
> around the Campus Martius ;
>
> 2/ 6 gladiators to fight for both sides, the Plebeian and the
> Patrician ones
>
> 3/ 2 runners, one Patrician and one Plebeian, to defend both
> Nobilitas and Plebs side.
>
> Usual as new aurigae and gladiators are welcome. The first ones will
> be able to score for the Final 2761 results.
>
> It is the first opportunity to take part us all to this particular
> time in Rome history, religion, mythology.
>
> You can see in the web page that factiones are shared between Plebs
> and Nobilitas, Via Sacra neighborhood and Suburra one.
>
> We need you, Viri Illustissimi, to support Patrician entries. We
need
> you Tribunes Plebis, to mobilize the Plebs and the Plebeian Ludi
> owners. We need all Factiones leaders to mobilize their members.
>
> Romani, do not miss this special time in our life. This is in such
> events that Rome's heart beat.
>
> Valete omnes !
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58069 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: First Post
Salve,

*laughs* and what you have learned most is that Nova Roma cives do
have a sense of humor!
I also am a member of the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism that
is) and why haven't I been informed about the SCA being called "the
Society of Consenting Adults because of their reputation for ...
shall we say ...a somewhat Rousseau-esque unofficial policy of free
love."
I miss everything! But hey I am learning;)
And I am NOT participating in any "free love", Rosseau-esque or
otherwise, however I may watch...

Cura ut vales

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
<albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
>
> Marino Laenatique s.d.
>
>
> I will take in due consideration your both informations (warnings?)
> and teachings.
> Thanks for the fresh air that they bring in!
>
> Valete ambo,
>
>
> Albucius
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
> <gaiuspopillius@> wrote:
> >
> > >>a hale and hearty welcome<<
> >
> > How about a Laurel and Hardy handshake?
> >
> > (For those who don't understand, see the movie "Blazzing Saddles".
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > C. Popillius Laenas
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58070 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS

Ex Officio

Censores  Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus salutem plurimam quiritibus dicunt.

According to Paragraph IV. A. 1. d. of the Constitution of Nova Roma and Lex Popillia senatoria, the censores have the powers of maintaining the Album Senatorium,

Accordingly:

Marcus Cassius Julianus,  who has announced a two year leave of absence from Nova Roma for " for a combination of personal concerns and a burgeoning business practice" is removed from the list of active Senators until his return.  We honor Marcus Cassius Julianus for his past service to the republic.

Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus is removed from the list of active Senatores.  We honor  Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus  for his past service as Pontifex, Augur, Flamen Maior, Censor, Consul, Proconsul , Senator, Lictor, Scribe and Consular Accensus.

Marcus Bianchius Antonius is removed from the list of active Senatores, for inactivity.  We honor his past accomplishments as a provincial governor and tribune.

It is our hope that they will eventually return to an active life within Nova Roma.

In full knowledge that we can not replace over twenty years of service as shared by Marcus Cassius Julianus and  Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus we never the less announce the sublection of the following citizens to the Senate:

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Annia Minucia Marcella
Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

---

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Censores, Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58071 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS

Salvete

 

My congratulations to the new appointed Senatores: Iulius Caesar, Minucia Marcella and Cornelius Lentulus.

 

Valete

 

M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
Praetor Novae Romae

Senator
Praetor Hispaniae
Scriba Censoris K·F·B·M

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58072 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
P. Memmius Albucius Novis senatoribus s.d.

Congratulations to the new senatores!

Valete,


P. Memmius Albucius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
>
> Ex Officio
>
> Censores Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
salutem
> plurimam quiritibus dicunt.
>
> According to Paragraph IV. A. 1. d. of the Constitution of Nova
Roma and Lex
> Popillia senatoria, the censores have the powers of maintaining the
Album
> Senatorium,
>
> Accordingly:
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus, who has announced a two year leave of
absence from
> Nova Roma for " for a combination of personal concerns and a
burgeoning
> business practice" is removed from the list of active Senators
until his
> return. We honor Marcus Cassius Julianus for his past service to
the
> republic.
>
> Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus is removed from the list of active
Senatores. We
> honor Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus for his past service as
Pontifex, Augur,
> Flamen Maior, Censor, Consul, Proconsul , Senator, Lictor, Scribe
and
> Consular Accensus.
>
> Marcus Bianchius Antonius is removed from the list of active
Senatores, for
> inactivity. We honor his past accomplishments as a provincial
governor and
> tribune.
>
> It is our hope that they will eventually return to an active life
within
> Nova Roma.
>
> In full knowledge that we can not replace over twenty years of
service as
> shared by Marcus Cassius Julianus and Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus
we never
> the less announce the sublection of the following citizens to the
Senate:
>
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
> Annia Minucia Marcella
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
>
> ---
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Censores, Novae Romae
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58073 From: albmd323232 Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: Latin language broadcast?
Salve Maior,

I really enjoy the podcasts, especially since I just bought an ipod.
Is there any way you can create more of them, such as on a bi-monthly
basis that was originally intended? I know they can take some time to
create, however there has only been 1 in 2008. If you would need any
assistance with research or anything, I would be glad to help.

Vale,
D. Claudius Aquilius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Ahenobarbo spd;
> as pointed out, do listen to the Latin conversation at Vox Romana
> podcast
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/ in 1# and 2# you can hear
> Avitus' perfect reconstructed accent and also Scholastica's
regional
> New York one. In podcasts 3# and 4# there is Cordus (British) Astur
> (Catalan) Albucius (Gallia) me (cross-Atlantic tiro;-) Anna (latin
> teacher) all speaking.
> So you can see the variety, all normal. Finally in the later
podcasts
> you can listen to Anna, reading the Aenied in true dactylic
hexameter.
> Her voice is very clear and you can follow from the Latin text.
> optime vale
> M. Hortensia Maior
> producer, Vox Romana podcast
>
>
>
> There are also
> > > podcasts, including the first two of the Vox Romana, featuring
> Avitus and
> > > yours truly. Any Latin textbook or grammar will have an
> explanation of the
> > > basics, and there are two works which go deeply into the
subject,
> the more
> > > recent of which is Sidney Allen¹s Vox Latina.
> > >
> > > Et tu!
> > >
> > > --
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58074 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: Latin language broadcast?
M. Hortensia D. Claudio spd;
thank you from all of us for the compliment and yes, please write
to me. C. Curius Saturninus is the technical person who puts the
podcasts together, and he's just had a new baby, plus graduate
school, plus a job, plus Academia Thules;-)
But yes, I'd like to do more and gladly would ask you to join: we
need idea people, writers and broadcasters. It's a team effort, as
you can tell.
optime vale
M.Hortensia Maior
producer Vox Romana podcast
http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/
>
> I really enjoy the podcasts, especially since I just bought an
ipod.
> Is there any way you can create more of them, such as on a bi-
monthly
> basis that was originally intended? I know they can take some time
to
> create, however there has only been 1 in 2008. If you would need
any
> assistance with research or anything, I would be glad to help.
>
> Vale,
> D. Claudius Aquilius
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > Maior Ahenobarbo spd;
> > as pointed out, do listen to the Latin conversation at Vox
Romana
> > podcast
> > http://www.insulaumbra.com/voxromana/ in 1# and 2# you can hear
> > Avitus' perfect reconstructed accent and also Scholastica's
> regional
> > New York one. In podcasts 3# and 4# there is Cordus (British)
Astur
> > (Catalan) Albucius (Gallia) me (cross-Atlantic tiro;-) Anna
(latin
> > teacher) all speaking.
> > So you can see the variety, all normal. Finally in the later
> podcasts
> > you can listen to Anna, reading the Aenied in true dactylic
> hexameter.
> > Her voice is very clear and you can follow from the Latin text.
> > optime vale
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> > producer, Vox Romana podcast
> >
> >
> >
> > There are also
> > > > podcasts, including the first two of the Vox Romana,
featuring
> > Avitus and
> > > > yours truly. Any Latin textbook or grammar will have an
> > explanation of the
> > > > basics, and there are two works which go deeply into the
> subject,
> > the more
> > > > recent of which is Sidney Allen¹s Vox Latina.
> > > >
> > > > Et tu!
> > > >
> > > > --
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58075 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
SALVETE!
 
Congratulations to the new Senatrix and Senatores.
 
Annia Minucia Marcella had done a great job as legatus pro praetore of Nova Britannia. She organized provincial meetings, re-organized the provincial web sites succeeding to bring Nova Britannia in attention and continuing the work of Senator Minucius Audens. She will remain close to my heart because two years ago, while moving in another area of her country, she found resources to donate to Magna Mater Project.
 
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar was the first person I talked when joined to NR. As many of you know, the first contact is very important. I was lucky, because Caesar had the patience to explain about what I was interested to know and to tolerate my English level of that time. The NR Senate will take advantage because his great experience and dedication. In the same time I'm proud to see another Iulian in Senate, honoring this way Venus Genetrix and our Gens Iulia.
 
Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus is a person I respect because his great dedication and energy to move the things on. As consular quaestor and accensus he contributed with good ideas about the NR future development, in our mailing list but in the cohors consularis, too. I will not insist about his dedication to the Roman Religion because his recent adlection to the Collegium Pontificum proves that. How I said two weeks ago, I'm honored by his friendship and my sincere hope is to meet together with other events occasion in the same way we done this year.
 
VALETE,
IVL SABINVS
 

"David Kling (Modianus)" <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS


In full knowledge that we can not replace over twenty years of service as shared by Marcus Cassius Julianus and  Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus we never the less announce the sublection of the following citizens to the Senate:

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Annia Minucia Marcella
Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

.




"Every individual is the architect of his own fortune" - Appius Claudius

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58076 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: Latin language broadcast?
Salve D. Claudius Aquilius

Yes they do a nice job with the podcasts.

BTW

Here is a link to "Nuntii Latini - News in Latin - is a weekly review of
world news in Classical Latin, the only international broadcast of its kind
in the world, produced by YLE, the Finnish Broadcasting Company."


http://www.yleradio1.fi/nuntii/id50.shtml


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58077 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Reccanellus para QUAESTOR!!
Salvete omnes
 
Eu, T. Arminius Genialis, atual Quaestor de Nova Roma, venho diante de vocês declarar o meu apoio pleno à candidatura de C. Arminius Reccanellus.
Reccanellus, já conhecido em nossa Província por ter sido governador provincial, já foi quaestor e tribuno da plebe anteriormente, e possui vasta experiência e capacidade em administrar os recursos.
 
RECCANELLE, você tem meu voto para QUAESTOR 2009!
 
 
Valete
 
TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
Quaestor
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Brasiliae
Interpres Linguae Lusitanicae
Scriba Censoris KFBM
tagenialis@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58078 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Salvete Quirites,

My congratulations to

> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
> Annia Minucia Marcella
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

for their selection by the censors for inclusion in the Album Senatorium.

Valete,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58079 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Salvete,

I would like to add my voice to the chorus of congratulations for our new Senatores!

Valete,
Quintus Servilius Priscus


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58080 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Salvete omnes,

My congratulations to the newly appointed Senators, with a very special salutation to G. Cornelius Lentulus,

Valete optime,

M•IVL•SEVERVS
PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

SENATOR
PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58081 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Online Resources for Classics Study and Research, 10/12/2008, 12:00
Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Online Resources for Classics Study and Research
 
Date:   Sunday October 12, 2008
Time:   All Day
Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
Notes:   An extensive list of online resources for Classics study is available on our website: http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Library_(Nova_Roma)

 
Copyright © 2008  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58082 From: Colin Brodd Date: 2008-10-11
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus S.P.D.
 
I would just like to add my congratulations to the new members of the Senate, especially to my governor Annia Minucia Marcella, whom we in Nova Britannia know to be deserving of that honor! It is good indeed to know that three such cives have been added to the Senate. Congratulations, all! 
 
Valete optime!
 
 
___________________________________
C. TVLLIVS VALERIANVS GERMANICVS

Legatus Regionis Insulae Rhodensis

Ad Templum Diis Immortalibus Romae Aedificandum!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58083 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 12, 2008.
C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d,
 
Today in Rome :
 
(Julian day : 2 454 752).
 
A.d. IV Idus Octobres
MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio
 
Day of the week : Solis dies (Sunday).
 
Lunaris dies: XIV.
Nundinal letter : E.
 
Hora ortus Solis : 07:19.
Hora occasus Solis : 18:33
Temp. Min. : 11°C.
Temp. Max. : 26°C 
Humidity: 61%.
Wind on Rome : 16 Km/h.
Weather : .Sun.
 
Horae diei :
 
I: 07:19 - 08:06 Mercurii hora.
II: 08:06 - 08:53 Lunae hora.
III: 08:53 - 09:40 Saturni hora.
IV: 09:40 - 10:27 Iovis hora.
V: 10:27 - 11:14 Martis hora.
VI: 11:14 - 12:00 Solis hora.
VII: 12:00 - 13:05 Veneris hora.
VIII: 13:05 - 14:11 Mercurii hora.
IX: 14:11 - 15:16 Lunae hora.
X: 15:16 - 16:22 Saturni hora.
XI: 16:22 - 17:27 Iovis hora.
XII: 17:27 - 18:33 Martis hora.
 
Horae noctis :
 
I: 18:33 - 19:27 Solis hora.
II: 19:27 - 20:22 Veneris hora.
III: 20:22 - 21:16 Mercurii hora.
IV: 21:16 - 22:11 Lunae hora.
V: 22:11 - 23:05 Saturni hora.
VI: 23:05 - 00:00 Iovis hora.
VII: 00:00 - 01:13 Martis hora.
VIII: 01:13 - 02:26 Solis hora.
IX: 02:26 - 03:40 Veneris hora.
X: 03:40 - 04:53 Mercurii hora.
XI: 04:53 - 06:07 Lunae hora.
XII: 06:07 - 07:21 Saturni hora.
 
Valete.
 
C. Petronius Dexter.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58084 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
Salvete Quirites and new Senatores!

I send my sincere congratulations to the three newly sublected Senatores: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Annia Minucia Marcella and Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus!

I don't always agree with Gnaeus Julius Caesar, but his dedication and his strong convictions will be a re-juvenation force in the Senate.

I am happy to see one more female Senator, the best thing is that Senatrix Annia Minucia Marcella is such an active and dedicated citizen, she really deserves to sit on the marble benches!

The deep love for all things Roman combined with his readyness to work for the Res Publica will make Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus into one of those important Senatores of Nova Roma. 

**********
11 okt 2008 kl. 21.13 skrev David Kling (Modianus):

EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS

Ex Officio

Censores  Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus salutem plurimam quiritibus dicunt.

According to Paragraph IV. A. 1. d. of the Constitution of Nova Roma and Lex Popillia senatoria, the censores have the powers of maintaining the Album Senatorium,

Accordingly:

Marcus Cassius Julianus,  who has announced a two year leave of absence from Nova Roma for " for a combination of personal concerns and a burgeoning business practice" is removed from the list of active Senators until his return.  We honor Marcus Cassius Julianus for his past service to the republic.

Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus is removed from the list of active Senatores.  We honor  Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus  for his past service as Pontifex, Augur, Flamen Maior, Censor, Consul, Proconsul , Senator, Lictor, Scribe and Consular Accensus.

Marcus Bianchius Antonius is removed from the list of active Senatores, for inactivity.  We honor his past accomplishments as a provincial governor and tribune.

It is our hope that they will eventually return to an active life within Nova Roma.

In full knowledge that we can not replace over twenty years of service as shared by Marcus Cassius Julianus and  Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus we never the less announce the sublection of the following citizens to the Senate:

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Annia Minucia Marcella
Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

---

Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Censores, Novae Romae



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Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
************************************************
Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae 
Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae 





Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58085 From: dan mcelwain Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Re: To Piscinus Toooo much religious Blah Blah
A temple sounds like a nice dedication.

--- On Wed, 10/1/08, adriano.rota <adriano.rota@...> wrote:
From: adriano.rota <adriano.rota@...>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: To Piscinus Toooo much religious Blah Blah
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 6:07 PM

C.Aqu.Rota cordo salutem dicit,

Thank you so much for your answer.
I already thought that there is nobody here who is not somehow
religiosly fanatic.
I actually find it very great and super to see your posts here. A
very great thing NR should not miss. I was spciallized in securiy
politics
and am happy to hear what your backround is. I would actally be very
interested in some chat with you.

I am a serious practitioner of the Religio myself and I am actually
building one of the finest Home Larariums myself. My wife and me are
building currently a Castra with all but our own hands in SC, which
shall be dedicated to Nova Roma. For example was trying to reach
somebody to discuss the construction of a temple for public
ceremonial purposes here,but no reaction! That is why I think yes
some more walk instead of talk could be helpful for NR.
Very interesting to see how some people here anticipate, only
triggered by pure criticism that I am not interested in the religio.
Plus I found it interesting that there are members who think it is
important to make a good impression on them, like a Patru..the uncle.
He is definately and fortuntely not my UNCLE and therefore I do not
really care what impression I make to him.

Please do not understand me wrong, I am 100% loyal to NR, which I
think is a great oganisation. And for a great idea or orgnisation,
criticism has to be constructive and even wanted.
I presume there are also quite a few citizens out there who do not
practice the Religio and I am sure they do not think of NR as a
church. Therefore the focus should not be so intesly on the religio.

That is all I want to state. Why some dear citizens react so offended
and even respond with impudent arrogancy is not very nice towards
people like me who do care a lot although differen about NR.

Never the less, again I think your posts are even essential and I
apreciate them a lot too.

It was a pleasure to answer you.

Optime Vale, e tanti saluti alla Italiana

C.Aqu.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58086 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: a. d. III Eidus Octobris: Augustalia
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:

Hodie dies est ante diem IIII eidus Octobris; haec dies comitialis
est: Augustalia ludi in circo feriae ex senatus consulto quod eo die
Imperator Caesar Augustus ex transmarinis provinciis urbem intravit
araque Fortunae Reduci constituta.

Events in the life of August Caesar were celebrated as an Augustalia.
Some events of his life were celebrated each month. Such was the
case with the twenty third of each month after his birthday in
September. The fasti Amiternum annotation has an Augustalia
proclaimed for 12 October on the return of Augustus to Rome in 29 CE.

"When he finally entered Italy, not only all the citizens offer
sacrifice, as I have mentioned above, but even the consul Valerius
Potitus. Octavian, it is true, had been consul throughout the year,
as he had been for the two years before, but Potitus had succeeded
Sextus Appuleius. It was he who in public and in person sacrificed
oxen upon Octavian's arrival on behalf of the people of Rome and of
the Senate, something that had never been done for any man before
(51.21)."

"The Senate consecrated in honor of my return an altar to Fortuna
Redux at the Porta Capena, near the temple of Honor and Virtue, on
which it ordered the pontiffs and the Vestal virgins to perform a
yearly sacrifice on the anniversary of the day on which I returned to
the city from Syria, in the consulship of Quintus Lucretius and
Marcus Vinicius, and named the day, after my cognomen, the
Augustalia. At the same time, by decree of the senate, part of the
praetors and of the Tribunes of the people, together with the consul
Quintus Lucretius and the leading men of the state, were sent to
Campania to meet me, an honor which up to the present time has been
decreed to no one except myself." ~ Augustus, Res Gestae Divi Augusti
11-12.1

When Augustus returned to Rome it marked the end of the Civil Wars.
He was at the beginning of his rule; no one at the time was aware how
long a peaceful reign he would institute. He celebrated three days in
a triumph, for victories on the frontiers, for the victory at Actium,
and then for his conquest of Egypt. 'All of the processions presented
a striking display on account of the spoils from Egypt – indeed the
quantity of plunder from there was enough to decorate all the
processions – but the Egyptian spectacle surpassed all the others in
luxury and magnificence.' And there was more than just spectacle.
First Octavian paid off all of his debts, which were considerable,
and he forgave all debts owed to him. Each adult man, and every boy
citizen was given four hundred sesterces. Then the wealth really
began to spread around. "Indeed the quantity of money which was
circulating through all parts of the City alike was so huge that the
price of goods increased, and loans which the borrowers had willingly
paid twelve percent could now be obtained for a third of that rate
(Cassius Dio 51.21)."


AUC 373 / 380 BCE: Continuous wars burden the Roman People

"This year it was found necessary to appoint censors, mainly owing to
the vague rumours which were afloat about the burden of debt. The
plebeian tribunes, in order to stir up ill-feeling exaggerated the
amount, while it was underestimated by those whose interest it was to
represent the difficulty as due to the unwillingness rather than the
inability of the debtor to pay. The censors appointed were C.
Sulpicius Camerinius and Sp. Postumius Regillensis. They commenced a
fresh assessment, but the work was interrupted by the death of
Postumius, because it was doubtful whether the co-optation of a
colleague, in the case of the censors, was permissible. Sulpicius
accordingly resigned, and fresh magistrates were appointed, but owing
to some flaw in their election did not act. Religious fears deterred
them from proceeding to a third election; it seemed as though the
Gods would not allow a censorship for that year. The tribunes
declared that such mockery was intolerable. 'The senate,' according
to them, 'dreaded the publication of the assessment lists, which
supplied information as to every man's property, because they did not
wish the amount of the debtor to be brought to light, for it would
show how one half of the community was being ruined by the other
half, while the debt-burdened plebs were all the time being exposed
to one enemy after another. Excuses for war were being sought
indiscriminately in every direction; the legions were marched from
Antium to Satricum, from Satricum to Velitrae, from there to
Tusculum. And now the Latins, the Hernici, and the Praenestines were
being threatened with hostilities in order that the patricians might
wreak their vengeance on their fellow-citizens more even than upon
the enemy. They were wearing out the plebs by keeping them under arms
and not allowing them any breathing time in the City or any leisure
for thoughts of liberty, or any possibility for taking their place in
the Assembly, where they might listen to the voice of a tribune
urging the reduction of interest and the redress of other grievances.
Why, if the plebs had spirit enough to recall to mind the liberties
which their fathers won, they would never suffer a Roman citizen to
be made over to his creditors, nor would they permit an army to be
raised until an account was taken of the existing debt and some
method of reducing it discovered, so that each man might know what he
actually owed, and what was left for himself-whether his person was
free or whether that, too, was due to the stocks.' The premium thus
put upon sedition made it at once more active. Many cases were
occurring of men being made over to their creditors, and in view of a
war with Praeneste, the senate had resolved that fresh legions should
be enrolled, but both these proceedings were arrested by the
intervention of the tribunes, supported by the whole body of the
plebs. The tribunes refused to allow the judgment debtors to be
carried off; the men whose names were called for enrolment refused to
answer." ~ Livy 6.27.3 ff


Thought of the day from Epictetus, Enchiridion 4

"When you set about any action, remind yourself of what nature the
action is. If you are going to bathe, represent to yourself the
incidents usual in the bath, – some persons pouring out, others
pushing in, others scolding, others pilfering. And thus you will more
safely go about this action, if you say to yourself, 'I will now go
to bathe, and keep my own will in harmony with nature.' And so with
regard to every other action. For thus, if any impediment arises in
bathing, you will be able to say, 'It was not only to bathe that I
desired, but to keep my will in harmony with nature; and I shall not
keep it thus, if I am out of humor at things that happen'."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58087 From: Avv. Claudio Guzzo Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
Salve.
In a message
Posted by: "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" gaiuspopillius@...
gaiuspopilliuslaenas
Thu Oct 9, 2008 9:34 am
you can see that Varro wrote:
"(even the romans have no religion but it is another question, speak
for the vulgum pecus here lol) - omissis -
it is very impotant for me i will never vote for a not 100% pagan
(lol again)"
It looks like the "vulgum pecus" wanted a trial against me (lol), but it is
another "pagan" question: Varro knows (lol again)...
Vale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58088 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Re: religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
if i were the founder of such thing "NR", i would admit only "pagan" people, even the Roman Gods were not they primary deities, but no atheists or christians or muslims
for the jews i did the same exception than Caesar did, and for buddhists i could have accept them wih the same conditions than the jews
 
Varro
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58089 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Consul: Senatori Gn. Cornelio
Lentelo, Senatori Gn. Iulio Caesari, et Senatrici Annia Minuciae
Marcellae: salutem plurimam dicit:

Gratulor, et optimam fortunam vos exopto.

I add my congratulations to our new Senatrix and Senators.

And also I extend my thanks to our Censores K. Fabius Modianus and
Ti. Galerius Paulinus for having brought to our Senate greater
diversity fitting to our international Civitas. I have noted Annia
Minucia as a person with a keen mind and sharp observations. Gnaeus
Iulius has always been an individual counselling practical
solutions. And as for Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, I can only describe
our new Pontifex as dutiful, pious, diligent, and dedicated. It was
a pleasure to meet with him in Dacia and I look forward to working
with him in both the Collegium Pontificum and now in the Senate.
They shall all be fine additions to our Senate.

Di Deaeque vos semper ament.




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
<tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
>
> EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
>
> Ex Officio
>
> Censores Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
salutem
> plurimam quiritibus dicunt.
>
> According to Paragraph IV. A. 1. d. of the Constitution of Nova
Roma and Lex
> Popillia senatoria, the censores have the powers of maintaining the
Album
> Senatorium,
>
> Accordingly:
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus, who has announced a two year leave of
absence from
> Nova Roma for " for a combination of personal concerns and a
burgeoning
> business practice" is removed from the list of active Senators
until his
> return. We honor Marcus Cassius Julianus for his past service to
the
> republic.
>
> Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus is removed from the list of active
Senatores. We
> honor Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus for his past service as
Pontifex, Augur,
> Flamen Maior, Censor, Consul, Proconsul , Senator, Lictor, Scribe
and
> Consular Accensus.
>
> Marcus Bianchius Antonius is removed from the list of active
Senatores, for
> inactivity. We honor his past accomplishments as a provincial
governor and
> tribune.
>
> It is our hope that they will eventually return to an active life
within
> Nova Roma.
>
> In full knowledge that we can not replace over twenty years of
service as
> shared by Marcus Cassius Julianus and Lucius Equtius Cincinnatus
we never
> the less announce the sublection of the following citizens to the
Senate:
>
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
> Annia Minucia Marcella
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
>
> ---
>
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Censores, Novae Romae
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58090 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
Subject: IULIUS SEVERUS CANDIDATO PARA EL CONSULADO (PORTUGUESE)
Attachments :
    Marcus Iulius Severus omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD.

    Uma das tradições republicanas de Roma era que, tipicamente, os candidatos
    ao consulado se apresentavam em pares, para complementar e apoiar uns aos
    outros. Conseqüentemente, e em respeito às maiores tradições romanas, Marcus
    Curiatius Complutensis e eu decidimos apresentar em conjunto a nossa
    candidatura ao consulado.
    Nosso amor por Roma, sua cultura, sua religião, suas leis exige que tomemos
    uma passo adiante em nosso desejo e decisão de participar, colaborar e
    servir, e fazer Nova Roma mais forte e maior.
    Sendo assim, eu visto a toga candida para me dirigir a vocês, cidadãos de
    Nova Roma:
    Eu, Marcus Iulius Severus, envoi-lhes minha candidature ao Consulado 2009
    d.C. Sou cidadão de Nova Roma desde MMDCCLVIII A.V.C., membro da Ordem
    Plebéia, e Assidui desde MMDCCLIX A.V.C. Nestes quatro anos, servi como:

    Prætor Novæ Romæ, em MMDCCLXI A.V.C.
    Senator, desde MMDCCLX A.V.C.
    Legatus Pro Praetore do México, desde MMDCCLIX A.V.C.
    Rogator, em MMDCCLIX A.V.C.
    Interpres, desde MMDCCLIX A.V.C.
    Accensus M. Moravio T. Iulio cos. MMDCCLXI A.V.C.
    Scriba, desde MMDCCLVIII A.V.C.
    Viator de Tribunus Plebis M.Curiatius Complutensis, MMDCCLX A.V.C.
    Scriba Censoris K. Fabius Buteo Modianus, desde MMDCCLX A.V.C.
    Scriba Censoris C. Equitius Marinus, de MMDCCLVIII A.V.C. a MMDCCLIX A.V.C.
    Membro da Sodalitas Musarum, desde MMDCCLIX A.V.C.

    Este é um novo passo no meu Cursum Honorum. Quero tomar parte ativa na
    política de Nova Roma para servir à República, e assim tenho certeza de que
    sou a pessoa certa para assumir o consulado. Para que conclua minha tarefa,
    peço a vocês, cidadõas, que votem em mim nas próximas eleições.

    Meu amigo e colega M. Curiatius Complutensis e eu apresentaremos em conjunto
    nossas propostas para o consulado do próximo ano. Queremos servir a vocês e
    vamos dedicar nós mesmos, nossos corpos e nossas almas para esta grande
    tarefa!

    Valete optime,


    M*IVL*SEVERVS
    PRÆTOR*NOVÆ*ROMÆ
    SENATOR
    PRÆTOR*PROVINCIÆ*MEXICO
    ACCENSVS*CONSVLVM* T* IVLII*SABINI*ET* M*MORAVII*PISCINI
    SCRIBA*CENSORIS* K*F*B*M
    INTERPRETER
    MVSÆVS*COLLEGII* ERATOVS*SODALITAT IS*MVSARVM
    SOCIVS*CHORI*MVSARVM
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58091 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
    Subject: M.CURIATIUS COMPLUTENSIS CANDIDATO PARA CONSUL (PORTUGESE)
    Attachments :
      Marcus Curiatius Complutensis omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD.

      Uma das tradições republicanas de Roma era que, tipicamente, os candidatos
      ao consulado se apresentavam em pares, para complementar e apoiar uns aos
      outros. Conseqüentemente, e em respeito às maiores tradições romanas, Marcus
      Curiatius Complutensis e eu decidimos apresentar em conjunto a nossa
      candidatura ao consulado.
      Nosso amor por Roma, sua cultura, sua religião, suas leis exige que tomemos
      uma passo adiante em nosso desejo e decisão de participar, colaborar e
      servir, e fazer Nova Roma mais forte e maior.

      Sendo assim, vestimos a toga candida para nos dirigirmos a vocês, cidadãos,
      primeiramente individualmente, para informar-lhes sobre o cursus honorum de
      cada um de nós, e, depois, em conjunto, para explicar sucintamente nosso
      programa.

      Eu, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, apresento a vocês minha candidature ao
      Consulado 2009 d.C. Sou cidadão de Nova Roma desde MMDCCLVI A.V.C., membro
      da Ordem Plebéia, e Assidui desde MMDCCLVII A.V.C. Nestes seis anos, servi
      como:

      -Aedilis Oppidi Compluti
      <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_-_Oppidum_Complutum_%28Nova_R
      oma%29> [MMDCCLVI A.V.C. e MMDCCLVII A.V.C.]
      -Legatus do Propraetor Hispaniae
      <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_%28Nova_Roma%29> [MMDCCLVII
      A.V.C.]
      -Governor da Provincia Hispania
      <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_%28Nova_Roma%29> [since
      MMDCCLVIII A.V.C.]
      -Scriba Censoris [desde MMDCCLVIII A.V.C.] Trabalhei na Cohors Censoris,
      onde três Censores, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
      <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Caeso_Fabius_Buteo_Quintilianus_%28Nova_Roma%29>
      , Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
      <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Gnaeus_Equitius_Marinus_%28Nova_Roma%29> e
      Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
      <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Gaius_Fabius_Buteo_Modianus_%28Nova_Roma%29> ,
      concederam a mim grande confiança.
      -Scriba Magister Aranearius [MMDCCLVIII A.V.C.]
      -Accensus Consulis Minoris [MMDCCLIX A.V.C.]
      -Tribunus Plebis
      <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tribunus_Plebis_%28Nova_Roma%29> [MMDCCLX
      A.V.C.]
      -Senator [MMDCCLIX A.V.C.]
      - Praetor <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Praetor_%28Nova_Roma%29> Novae
      Romae [MMDCCLXI A.V.C.]

      Escrevi artigos para o blog da Provincia Hispania Nova Roma
      <http://www.novaromahispania.blogspot.com> e sou o fundador e editor da
      revista online COMMENTARIOLA HISPANIAE
      <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_-_COMMENTARIOLA_HISPANIAE_%28
      Nova_Roma%29> .
      Colaborei com o Magister Aranearius M. Lucretius Agricola para crier o site
      wiki em espanhol e ajudar a traduzir vários artigos para o italiano. No site
      wiki de Nova Roma, sou membro dos grupos de trabalho "Key Path Task Force" e
      "Sitios Romanos en Hispania".
      Estudei latim na Academia Thule com o Magister Avitus, e criei um grupo de
      cultores na minha província.
      Este ano, participei na vida política de Nova Roma como pretor, usando meu
      conhecimento das leis de Nova Roma e da antiga e clássica Roma para garantir
      o respeito à Constituição e às leis, e junto com meu colega Iulius Severus
      introduzi na Lista Principal de Nova Roma o direito de falar em várias
      línguas.
      Sei que muitas das minhas decisões enquanto pretor foram duramente
      criticadas, mas garanto que essas decisões foram tomadas de forma imparcial,
      levando em conta o bem-estar da nossa Res Publica e de seus cidadãos, e
      sempre pensando em contribuir para o fortalecimento da Res Publica e sua
      Religio.

      Este é um novo passo no meu Cursum Honorum. Quero participar ativamente na
      política de Nova Roma para servir a República, e desse modo tenho certeza de
      que sou a pessoa certa para o Consulado. Para que possamos completar esta
      tarefa, peço a vocês, cidadãos, que votem em nós nas próximas eleições.
      Curate ut valeate


      M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
      PRÆTOR*NOVÆ*ROMÆ
      SENATOR
      PRÆTOR* HISPANIÆ
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      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58092 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
      Subject: CURIATIUS COMPLUTESIS E IULIUS SEVERUS PARA CONSULES (PORTUGUESE)
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        Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Marcus Iulius Severus omnes civibus Novae
        Romae SPD.

        Cidadãos de Nova Roma, nós, M. Curiatius Complutensis e M. Iulius Severus,
        praticamos as tradições romanas em nossas vidas pessoais. Inspiramos em
        nossas famílias o amor por Roma e pela vida romana, a tal ponto que nossas
        famílias macronacionais são, ao mesmo tempo, nossas famílias nova-romanas.
        Durante nosso mandato como pretores, trabalhamos sempre em conjunto,
        consultando-se um ao outro com freqüência e complementando-se um ao outro de
        maneira muito harmoniosa.
        Fomos os primeiros pretores a organizar o Ludi Apollinares, para a glória
        máxima de Apolo e de Nova Roma
        Devido ao nosso trabalho macronacional, eu enquanto advogado e ele enquanto
        escritor e jornalista, sinceramente acreditamos que somos qualificados o
        suficiente para estimular o desenvolvimento de Nova Roma e reafirmar sua
        presença mundial.
        E, é claro, estamos firmemente determinados a cumprir com nossas obrigações
        enquanto cônsules em total e completa colaboração com o Senado, o Colégio
        Pontifício e os novos pretores.
        Acreditamos que as políticas promotivas pelos Cônsules Horatius Piscinus e
        Iulius Sabinus foram as melhores para este ano de 2008, e portanto é nossa
        intenção dar os passos necessários para a continuidade de seu trabalho, de
        forma a reforçar essas políticas e acrescentar novas opções e objetivos a
        Nova Roma e aos nova-romanos.
        Também acreditamos profundamente que a religião romana não deve ser mais
        material particular ou até mesmo anecdotal em Nova Roma. Ao contrário,
        precisa se tornar mais pública e realmente presente no dia-a-dia da vida de
        nossos cidadãos.
        Queremos explorar a possibilidade de que um templo romano antigo possa ser
        adquirido por Nova Roma, para que pratiquemos nossa religião sagrada e
        oferecer os rituais apropriados aos deuses e deusas de Roma.
        Estimularemos a existência legal de Nova Roma em todos os países do mundo
        onde há comunidades de nova-romanos, começando com a União Européia e a
        América Latina, sem negligenciar os Estados Unidos de maneira alguma.
        Esperamos que, no futuro próximo, Nova Roma não será apenas uma organização
        de adoradores e reconstrucionistas; não apenas uma organização cultural e
        educacional. Queremos que Nova Roma se torne o ponto de referência: o eixo
        de um mundo romano que se consolidará passo a passo, com nosso empenho,
        nossa dedicação e nosso árduo trabalho.
        Devemos não apenas nos dedicar a estudar e reconstruir o glorioso passado
        romano, mas também unir nossos esforços e encontrar aliados, para conservar
        e consolidar nossa herança arqueológica ao redor do mundo, defendendo-o de
        ataques, a omissão ou a negligência tanto de governos quando da sociedade
        civil.
        Há muito trabalho, cidadãos. Queremos fazê-lo e sabemos que podemos, com seu
        apoio e participação ativa na vida nova-romana, na nossa vida diária. É por
        isso que pedimos a vocês, cidadãos, que votem em nós nas próximas eleições.

        Curate ut valeate,

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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58093 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
        Subject: CURIATIUS COMPLUTENSIS AND IULIUS SEVERUS FOR CONSULS (RUSSIAN)
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          Комплутенсис и Север выдвигаются кандидатами в Консулы Нового Рима

          Марк Куриаций Комплутенсис и Марк Юлий Север приветствуют всех граждан
          Нового Рима.
          Граждане Нового Рима, мы, М. Куриаций Комплутенсис и М. Юлий Север, в своей
          частной жизни придерживаемся римских традиций. Мы зажгли в своих семьях
          огонь любви к Риму и римскому образу жизни, сделав, таким образом, наши
          макро-национальные семьи, одновременно, и семьями новоримскими.
          Во время своей службы в качестве преторов мы принимали все без исключения
          решения в полном взаимном согласии, часто консультировались и строили свою
          работу на дополнении друг друга наиболее гармоничным образом.
          Мы стали первыми преторами, организовавшими различные Люди Аполинарии, ради
          величия Аполлона и Нового Рима.
          Благодаря своим макро-национальным профессиям, я, как адвокат, и он, как
          журналист и писатель, мы будем развивать Новый Рим и делать его более
          заметным во все внешнем мире.
          Естественно, мы исполнены решимости строить свою работу в качестве Консулов
          в полном и безоговорочном сотрудничестве с Сенатом, Коллегией Понтификов и
          Преторами.
          Мы считаем, что политика, которую проводили Консулы Гораций Присцин и Юлий
          Сабин в 2008 году, была построена наилучшим образом и, поэтому, нашим
          единодушным решением стало ее планомерное продолжение и внесение новых целей
          и задач для Нового Рима и его граждан.
          Мы искренне верим, что Римская Религия не должна более замыкаться в частном
          или даже анекдотичном формате и должна стать более публичной, реально
          присутствующей в ежедневной жизни Нова Ромы.
          Мы хотим исследовать возможность передачи древних римских храмов Новому Риму
          для публичного отправления наших священных ритуалов и воздаяния должных
          почестей Богам и Богиням Рима.
          Мы хотим, чтобы Новый Рим был легализован во всех странах мира, где есть его
          общины, начиная с Евросоюза и Латинской Америки, не забывая о Соединенных
          Штатах и других странах.
          Мы надеемся, что в ближайшем будущем, Новый Рим станет организацией не
          только ученых и реконструкторов, не только образовательной и
          культурологической организацией. Мы хотим, чтобы Нова Рома стала центром,
          осью Римского мира, который будет шаг за шагом консолидироваться, благодаря
          нашим усилиям, нашей преданности и настойчивому труду.
          Мы не должны зацикливаться на изучении и реконструкции величественного
          Римского наследия минувших дней. Мы должны объединить наши усилия, найти
          союзников, для сохранения и консолидации нашего археологического наследия по
          всему миру, защищая его от разграбления и пренебрежения, как частными
          лицами, так и различными государствами.
          Перед нами - много тяжелой работы, квириты. Мы хотим ее сделать и мы знаем,
          что сможем это сделать, лишь с вашей помощью и активном участии в жизни
          Нового Рима, нашей повседневной жизни. Именно поэтому мы просим вас,
          квириты, голосовать за нас на грядущих выборах.
          Curate ut valeate,
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          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58094 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
          Subject: M. CURIATIUS COMPLUTENSIS CANDIDATO PARA ELCONSULADO
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            Marcus Curiatius Complutensis omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD.

            Una de las tradiciones de la Roma republicana fué aquella enla que los
            candidatos a Consules se presentaban por parejas para complementarse y
            apoyarse mutuamente.

            Por ello y respetuosos de las más altas tradiciones de nuestra amada Roma,
            Marcus Iulius Severus y yo hemos decidido presentarnos conjuntamente como
            candidatos al Consulado.

            Nuestro amor por Roma, su cultura, su religión y sus leyes nos empujan a dar
            un paso adelante para participar, colaborar y servir, para hacer una Nova
            Roma más grande y fuerte.

            Por todo ello me dirijo a vosotros ciudada para informaros y haceros conocer
            nuestro programa.

            Yo, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, presento mi candidatura al Consulado para
            el año 2009 CE. Soy ciudadano de Nova Roma desde MMDCCLVI A.V.C., Plebeyo y
            Assidui desde MMDCCLVII A.V.C...

            En estos seis años he servido como:

            -Aedilis Oppidi Compluti
            <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_-_Oppidum_Complutum_%28Nova_R
            oma%29> [MMDCCLVI A.V.C. and [MMDCCLVII A.V.C.]
            -Legatus del Propraetor Hispaniae
            <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_%28Nova_Roma%29> [MMDCCLVII
            A.V.C.]
            -Gobernador de la Provincia Hispania
            <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_%28Nova_Roma%29> [desde
            MMDCCLVIII A.V.C.]
            -Scriba Censoris [desde MMDCCLVIII A.V.C.] Estoy trabajano en la Cohors
            Censoris, donde tres Censores, Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
            <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Caeso_Fabius_Buteo_Quintilianus_%28Nova_Roma%29>
            , Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
            <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Gnaeus_Equitius_Marinus_%28Nova_Roma%29> and
            Gaius Fabius Buteo Modianus
            <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Gaius_Fabius_Buteo_Modianus_%28Nova_Roma%29> ,
            me han otorgado su confianza.
            -Scriba Magister Aranearius [MMDCCLVIII A.V.C.]
            -Accensus Consulis Minoris [MMDCCLIX A.V.C.]
            -Tribunus Plebis
            <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tribunus_Plebis_%28Nova_Roma%29> [MMDCCLX
            A.V.C.]
            -Senator [MMDCCLIX A.V.C.]
            - Praetor <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Praetor_%28Nova_Roma%29> Novae
            Romae [MMDCCLXI A.V.C.]

            He escrito algunos articulos para el blog de Provincia Hispania Nova Roma
            <http://www.novaromahispania.blogspot.com> y soy el fundador y editor deñ
            blog COMMENTARIOLA HISPANIAE
            <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_-_COMMENTARIOLA_HISPANIAE_%28
            Nova_Roma%29> .

            He colaborado con el Magister Aranearius M. Lucretius Agricola para crear la
            web wiki de Nova Roma en Español y he ayudado a traducir articulos al
            Italiano, además pertenezco a los grupos de trabajo "Key Path Task Force" y
            "Sitios Romanos en Hispania".

            He estudiado Latin en la Academia Thule con el Magister Avitus, y he
            creado un grupo de cultores en mi provincia.

            Este año he participado enla vida politica de Nova Roma como Praetor, usanso
            mis conocimientos sobre las leyes de Nova Roma sobre el Derecho Romano para
            garantizar el respeto a nuestra Constitución y leyes, y junto a mi colaga
            Iulius Severus he introducido el elForo de Nova Roma el derecho a hablar en
            varios idiomas.
            Sé que algunas de las decisiones que he tomado como Praetor han sido
            duramente criticadas, pero garantizo que esas decisoones fueron tomadas
            imparcialmente y teniendo en cuenta el bienestar de la Res Publica y
            pensando siempre en contribuir al fortalecimiento de la Res Publica y de la
            Religio Romana.

            Es un nuevo paso en mi Cursum Honorum. Deseo participar activamente en la
            vida politica de Novca Roma para servir a la Res Publica y por todo ello
            creo que soy el candidato adecuado para el Consulado.

            Para dar este paso es por lo que pido a todos los ciudadanos que nos voteis
            a M. Iulius Severus y a mí en las proximas elecciones.

            Curate ut valeate


            M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
            Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58095 From: Complutensis Date: 2008-10-12
            Subject: COMPLVTENSIS Y SEVERVS PARA CÓNSVLES
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              Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Marcus Iulius Severus omnes civibus Novae
              Romae S.P.D.

              Ciudadanos de Nova Roma: nosotros, M. Curiatius Complutensis y M. Iulius
              Severus, hemos asumido y conservado las tradiciones de Roma en nuestras
              vidas privadas. Hemos inspirado en nuestras familias el amor por Roma y la
              forma romana de vida, a tal punto que nuestras familias macro-nacionales
              son, a la vez, nuestras verdaderas familias novorromanas.
              Durante nuestra gestión como Praetores, hemos tomado todas las decisiones de
              común acuerdo, nos hemos consultado de manera permanente y nos hemos
              complementado mutuamente de una forma integrada y armoniosa.
              Fuimos los primeros Praetores que organizaron unos Ludi Apollinares
              diferentes, para mayor gloria de Apolo y de Nova Roma.
              Gracias a nuestras respectivas profesiones macro-nacionales, Complutensis
              como abogado y Severus como periodista y escritor, creemos sinceramente que
              tenemos todas las calificaciones necesarias para impulsar el desarrollo de
              Nova Roma y su presencia en el mundo.
              Desde luego, estamos firmemente decididos a cumplir nuestros deberes como
              Cónsules en total y absoluta colaboración con el Senado, el Collegium
              Pontificum y los nuevos Praetores.
              Creemos que las políticas promovidas por los Cónsules M. Moravius Piscinas
              Horatianus y T. Iulius Sabinus, han sido las mejores para este año 2008 y,
              por tanto, es nuestra intención guiarnos por una necesaria continuidad, para
              fortalecerlas y añadirles nuevas opciones y metas para Nova Roma y los
              novorromanos.
              Creemos sinceramente, desde el fondo mismo de nuestros corazones, que el
              culto de la Religión Romana no debe ser solamente un tema privado e incluso
              anecdótico, sino que ha de adquirir una dimensión pública y estar
              verdaderamente presente en la vida cotidiana de Nova Roma y los
              novorromanos.
              Queremos explorar la posibilidad de que un antiguo templo romano pudiera ser
              confiado a la custodia de Nova Roma, para practicar públicamente nuestra
              sagrada Religio y ofrecer el culto apropiado a los Dioses y las Diosas de
              Roma.
              Promoveremos activamente que Nova Roma adquiera personalidad legal en todas
              las naciones del mundo donde hay comunidades novorromanas, comenzando por la
              Unión Europea y América Latina, sin descuidar en lo más mínimo Estados
              Unidos y Canadá.
              Confiamos en que en el futuro próximo, Nova Roma habrá de ser no solamente
              una organización de cultores y recreación histórica; no únicamente una
              organización educativa y cultural. Queremos que Nova Roma se convierta en un
              punto obligado de referencia, el eje de un mundo romano que se irá
              consolidando paso a paso, con nuestro esfuerzo, nuestra dedicación y un
              trabajo duro y constante.
              No solamente deberíamos dedicarnos a estudiar y recrear históricamente el
              glorioso pasado romano, sino unir nuestros esfuerzos y encontrar aliados,
              para preservar y proteger nuestra herencia arqueológica romana en todos los
              lugares del mundo donde existe, defenderla de las agresiones de cualquier
              índole, la ignorancia y el descuido, tanto de los gobiernos como de los
              individuos.
              Hay mucho trabajo por delante, ciudadanos. Deseamos emprenderlo y sabemos
              que podremos hacerlo, con el apoyo de ustedes y su activa participación en
              la vida de Nova Roma, nuestra vida cotidiana. Por ello, ciudadanos, les
              pedimos que voten por nosotros en las próximas elecciones.

              Curate ut valeate,

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              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58096 From: sixthcenturykatafractos Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
              I'd like to add my congratulations to the new Senators.



              -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
              >
              > Salvete Quirites,
              >
              > My congratulations to
              >
              > > Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
              > > Annia Minucia Marcella
              > > Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
              >
              > for their selection by the censors for inclusion in the Album Senatorium.
              >
              > Valete,
              >
              > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58097 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: L. Livia Plauta for quaestrix!
              L. Livia Plauta omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.

              I am Lucia Livia Plauta, 42 year old pannonian citizen. I'm italian,
              but I have been living in Budapest and teaching Italian for 15 years.
              I am a cultrix deorum and have been active both in Pannonia,
              performing ceremonies with Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, and in Italy, where
              I took part in the Feriae Latinae ceremony.
              This year, apart from performing my duties of Tribuna Plebis, I have
              helped represent Nova Roma at various festivals and events around
              Europe and in Hungary, activity which resulted into my being appointed
              legata legati pro praetore Pannoniae.
              Though I was one of the best Latin pupils at my times in high school,
              by now my knowledge is mainly passive, which is why I enrolled in the
              Sermo Latinus course at Academia Thules, which will allow me to speak
              and write Latin soon.
              Other languages I can actually use now, apart from Hungarian and
              English, are French, German and Spanish.

              So I think I will be useful to whichever magistrate I will work with,
              if I'm elected for the position of quaestor.
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58098 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: Candidate for Curule Aedile
              Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.

              I hereby publicly declare my candidacy for the office of Curule Aedile. 

              For more information on what I have done for Nova Roma in the past please view my page on the website:

              http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Caeso_Fabius_Buteo_Modianus_(Nova_Roma)

              I believe in Nova Roma, and its mission.

              Valete:

              Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58099 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: LUDI Octobris - soon !
              Omnibus s.d.

              Just a reminder : our Ludi Octobris begin next (coming) Tuesday 14th
              with an athletics competition and a venatio (gladiators vs. animals).

              Entries are still accepted for both competitions (max. 2 for the same
              owner in each contest) as well for Equus October on Idus (15th, wed.).


              Valete omnes,


              P. Memmius Albucius
              aed. cur.
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58100 From: Aulus Sepronius Regulus Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: Restoring Accounts
              Salvete,
               
              At 50, believe it or not, I've been in Afghanistan as observer/analyst.
              The home computer crashed while I was away with all the passwords.
              So, I need the addresses to the following NR lists,
               
              the cooking list
               
              philosophy list
               
              virtues list
               
              provincial list
               
              Valete,
               
              A. Sempronius Regulus
               
               

              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58101 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: EQUUS OCTOBER on 15th (Idus) : Patricians waited !!!
              Patricians !!!

              I have not received yet any entry from Patricians for the Equus
              October one of the very last events in our Roman year where the
              opposition Nobilitas/Plebs is still alive, though through the medium
              of two races and a fight, and the rituals that are celebrated along.

              Would patricians forget Rome past, and their own dignitas ? Would
              they thus deprise our Gods ?

              Imagine if we have a Plebeian team, and no Patrician one ?! What a
              shame for the elder families !

              And how will we able, towards our gods, justifying the existence of
              two orders ?

              Stand up, Patricians, organize yourselves, and make your entries, and
              quick : til this 15th 00:00 !

              Valete, and mactote virtute, Nobiles !


              P. Memmius Albucius
              aed. cur.
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58102 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: Re: Restoring Accounts
              SALVE SEMPRONI REGULE!

              Welcome home!

              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Aulus Sepronius Regulus
              <a_sempronius.regulus@...> wrote:

              > The home computer crashed while I was away with all the passwords.
              > So, I need the addresses to the following NR lists,>>>

              They are:
               
              > the cooking list:
              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/
               
              > philosophy list:
              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaPhilosophy/

              > virtues list:
              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasVirtutis/

              > provincial list:
              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Austrorientalis/

              VALE BENE,
              IVL SABINVS
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58104 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: Candidacy for Curule Aedile
              M. Hortensia Maior quiritibus spd;
              I declare my candidacy for curule aedile. I look forward to
              honouring the gods with worthy games.
              For new cives and old here is a link to my cursus honorum as well
              as other projects I am involved in.

              http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Marca_Hortensia_Maior_%28Nova_Roma%29

              bene valete in pacem deorum
              M. Hortensia Maior
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58105 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: COMPLVTENSIS ET SEVERVS CONSVLS!

              Citoyens de Nova Roma!

              Nous, M. Curiatius Complutensis et M. Iulius Severus, cultivons les traditions romaines dans nos vies privées. Nous avons inspiré à nos familles amour pour Rome et mode de vie romain, pour que nos familles macro-nationales soient également familles dans Nova Roma.
              Pendant notre mandat de préteurs, nous nous sommes consultés souvent, nous somme complétés au mieux, et toutes nos décisions ont été prises en plein accord.
              Nous avons été les premiers préteurs à organiser les Ludi Apollinares, pour la gloire d'Apollon et de Nova Roma.
              En raison, largement, de nos professions macro-nationales - Complutensis comme un avocat et Severus comme journaliste et auteur - nous croyons sincèrement être les meilleurs candidats pour encourager le développement de Nova Roma et sa présence dans le monde et sommes prêts et résolus à réaliser nos devoirs comme Consuls en étroite collaboration avec le Sénat, le Collège Pontifical et les nouveaux préteurs.
              Nous pensons que les politiques promues par les consuls Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et Iulius Sabinus ont été les meilleures que pouvait connaître l'année 2761 (2008). Il est donc de notre intention de poursuivre le chemin tracé pour renforcer et développer ces politiques pour Nova Roma et ses citoyens.
              Nous croyons profondément que la Religion romaine ne doit pas être plus une question privée ou même anecdotique, mais doit prendre une importance publique plus grande, et être plus présente dans la vie quotidienne de Nova Roma et de ses citoyens.
              Nous voulons explorer la possibilité qu'un temple romain ancien puisse être confié à Nova Roma, afin que puisse y être pratiquée notre religion et ainsi y exercer la vénération due aux dieux et déeesses de Rome.
              Nous promouvrons l'adoption par Nova Roma de la personnalité juridique dans tous les pays du monde où il y a des communautés de Novaromains, en commençant par l'Union Européenne et l'Amérique latine, sans négliger bien entendu les États-Unis et le Canada.
              Dans un avenir proche, nous espérons ainsi que Nova Roma devienne une organisation de pratiquants et de réinterprétation historique, et pas seulement une organisation éducative et culturelle. Nous voulons que Nova Roma devienne le point de référence, l'axe d'un monde romain que nos efforts et notre persévérance, ainsi qu'un travail dévoué, renforcera.
              Il nous faudra non seulement nous consacrer à l'étude et à la reproduction de notre glorieux passé romain, mais unir nos efforts et trouver des partenaires afin de préserver et consolider notre héritage archéologique dans le monde, en le défendant contre les attaques, les erreurs ou la négligence tant des gouvernements que des individus.
              Nous avons beaucoup de travail devant nous, citoyens. Nous sommes résolus à l'affronter et savons pouvoir compter sur votre soutien et participation active dans la vie de Nova Roma, notre vie quotidienne. C'est pourquoi nous vous demandons, citoyens, de voter pour nous aux prochaines élections de Novembre 2761/2008.


              Curate ut valeate,


              M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS

              PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
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              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58106 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: Multilingual candidate statements
              Agricola Omnibus sal.

              I am so gratified to see so many candidate statements in multiple
              languages. I also want to extend my thanks to everyone who has so far
              contributed to creating election pages on our website in many languages.

              Since I see so many statements in so many languages, the template that
              provides the framework for candidate statement pages now automatically
              includes the "LanguageBar", and it pre-loads with the correct page name.

              Candidates are free to use this or not, as they desire. I see no
              problem with simply putting many languages on a single statement page
              as well. It is up to the choice of the individual candidates.

              Everyone please keep in mind that the canonical election page is the
              English one. Candidates should also note that I am creating stubs only
              for your statements. If you want to copy your ML message to your
              statement page, feel free to do so. If you need help, feel free to ask
              for it.

              optime valete
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58107 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Candidate for Curule Aedile
              Severus Maiori omnibusque sal.
               
              You will have my vote, amica, and I ask the citizens of our Res publica to also vote for you.
               
              Vale, et valete.

              M•IVL•SEVERVS
              PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

              SENATOR
              PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO

              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58108 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-12
              Subject: MY VOTE FOR MODIANVS
              Salvete omnes,
               
              It's with great pleasure that I come here to declare my wholeheartedly and grateful support to K. Fabius Buteo Modianus' candidacy for Curule Aedile.
              He is a distinguished cives, a Nova Roman who has done a lot for the Res publica, and will do even more, so the Gods and Goddesses of Nova Roma help him!

              M•IVL•SEVERVS
              PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

              SENATOR
              PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO

              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58109 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 13, 2008.
              C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d,
               
              Today in Rome :
               
              (Julian day : 2 454 753).
               
              A.d. III Idus Octobres
              MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
              Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio
               
              Day of the week : Lunae dies (Monday).
               
              Lunaris dies: XV.
              Nundinal letter : F.
               
              Hora ortus Solis : 07:21.
              Hora occasus Solis : 18:31
              Temp. Min. : 12°C.
              Temp. Max. : 25°C 
              Humidity: 62%.
              Wind on Rome : 14 Km/h.
              Weather : .Sun with clouds.
               
              Horae diei :
               
              I: 07:21 - 08:07 Iovis hora.
              II: 08:07 - 08:54 Martis hora.
              III: 08:54 - 09:40 Solis hora.
              IV: 09:40 - 10:27 Veneris hora.
              V: 10:27 - 11:13 Mercurii hora.
              VI: 11:13  - 12:00 Lunae hora.
              VII: 12:00- 13:05 Saturni hora.
              VIII: 13:05 - 14:10 Iovis hora.
              IX: 14:10 - 15:15 Martis hora.
              X: 15:15 - 16:20 Solis hora.
              XI: 16:20 - 17:25 Veneris hora.
              XII: 17:25 - 18:31 Mercurii hora.
               
              Horae noctis :
               
              I: 18:31 - 19:26 Lunae hora.
              II: 19:26 - 20:20 Saturni hora.
              III: 20:20 - 21:15 Iovis hora.
              IV: 21:15 - 22:10 Martis hora.
              V: 22:10 - 23:05 Solis hora.
              VI: 23:05 - 00:00 Veneris hora.
              VII: 00:00 - 01:14 Mercurii hora.
              VIII: 01:14 - 02:27 Lunae hora.
              IX: 02:27 -  03:41 Saturni hora.
              X: 03:41 - 04:55 Iovis hora.
              XI: 04:55 - 06:09 Martis hora.
              XII: 06:09 - 07:22 Solis hora.
               
              Valete.
               
              C. Petronius Dexter.
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58110 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: a. d. III Eidus Octobris: Fontinalia
              M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
              omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di Deaeque vos salvas et servatas
              volunt

              Hodie dies est ante diem III Eidus Octobris; haec dies nefas piaculum
              est: Fontinalia feriae Fonti

              "The Fontanalia, from Fons (the God of springs), because this day is
              His holiday; on His account they then throw garland wreathes into the
              springs and place them atop wells." ~ Varro Lingua Latinae 6.22

              A Temple of Fons was dedicated by Cn. Papirius Maso in 231 BCE, built
              with the spoils taken during his campaign in Corsica, and an altar
              was dedicated for Him on the Janiculum (Cicero, De Natura Deorum
              3.52). Since He is the God of springs and wells He would naturally
              have been included as one of the genii loci of any temple precinct,
              since sanctuaries generally had a well or were built where there was
              a natural spring, to provide the water needed for purification rites.
              This is the reason why He appears in a rite of expiation for the
              sacred grove of the Dea Dia, recorded for 7 Nov. 224 CE. In a violent
              storm lightning had struck some trees, necessitating that iron tools
              be brought into the grove, thus polluting it, and the sacred trees
              cut and burned, and replaced. Among the other expiation sacrifices
              were those made "to Fons two castrated rams; to Flora two sheep; to
              Summanus Pater two black castrated rams," and so on, and "likewise to
              Adolenda and Coinquenda two sheep" (CIL vi.2107, lines 2-13; ILS
              5048). Summanus appears here because the storm came at night.
              Coinquenda is an indigimentum of the felling of trees, where Adolenda
              is the same for burning the trees. Indigitamenta are not deities, but
              rather they are aspects of another deity wielding a particular numen.
              Here Coinquenda and Adolenda would be indigitamenta of the Genius
              Locus, referred to in the inscription as "the deity, male or female."

              Fons is the husband of Juturna, daughter of Volturnus (Arnobius
              3.29), who in turn is most likely a River God (it is thought that His
              was an older name for the River Tiber). A festival for Juturna was
              held on 11 January, although this is thought to commemorate the
              dedication of a temple by Augustus in 2 BCE. Waters from her fountain
              were used in various sacrifices, and in times of drought offerings
              were made into it, perhaps to Fons as well as to Juturna.


              AUC 807 / 54 CE: The death of Claudius and the ascension of Nero.

              For Seneca's amusing "Pumkinification of Claudius":
              http://www.forumromanum.org/literature/apocolocyntosis.html


              "Grant, O Gods, that the earth may lie soft and lightly upon the
              shades of our forefathers, may the sweet scented crocus and perpetual
              spring bloom over their ashes." ~ Juvenal, Satires 7.207-8


              AUC 373 / 380 BCE War with Praeneste

              "In these different moods, each side reached the banks of the Alia.
              When the enemy came into view in battle formation ready for action,
              the Dictator turned to A. Sempronius: 'Do you see,' he said, 'how
              they have taken their station on the Alia, relying on the fortune of
              the place? May heaven have given them nothing more certain to trust
              to, or stronger to help them! You, however, placing your confidence
              in arms and valour, will charge their center at full gallop, while I
              with the legions will attack them whilst in disorder. Adeste Di
              testes foederis, Ye Gods who watch over treaties, assist us, and
              exact the penalties due from those who have sinned against You and
              deceived us by appealing to Your divinity!' Neither the cavalry
              charge nor the infantry attack was sustained by the Praenestines. At
              the first onset and battle shout their ranks were broken, and when no
              portion of the line any longer kept its formation they turned and
              fled in confusion. In their panic they were carried past their camp,
              and did not stop their headlong flight until they were within sight
              of Praeneste. There the fugitives rallied and seized a position which
              they hastily fortified; they were afraid of retiring within the walls
              of their city lest their territory should be wasted with fire and,
              after everything had been devastated, the city should be invested.
              The Romans, however, after spoiling the camp at the Alia, came up;
              this position, therefore, was also abandoned. They shut themselves in
              Praeneste, feeling hardly safe even behind its walls. There were
              eight towns under the jurisdiction of Praeneste. These were
              successively attacked and reduced without much fighting. Then the
              army advanced against Velitrae, which was successfully stormed.
              Finally, they arrived at Praeneste, the origin and center of the war.
              It was captured, not by assault, but after surrender. After being
              thus victorious in battle and capturing two camps and nine towns
              belonging to the enemy and receiving the surrender of Praeneste,
              Titus Quinctius returned to Rome. In his triumphal procession he
              carried up to the Capitol the image of Jupiter Imperator, which had
              been brought from Praeneste. It was set up in a recess between the
              shrines of Jupiter and Minerva, and a tablet was affixed to the
              pedestal recording the Dictator's successes. The inscription ran
              something like this: 'Jupiter and all the gods have granted this boon
              to Titus Quinctius the Dictator, that he should capture nine towns.'
              On the twentieth day after his ppointment he laid down the
              Dictatorship." ~ Livy 6.29


              Today's thought is from L. Annaeus Seneca, Epistle 19

              "We hold that there is a succession of causes, from which fate is
              woven; similarly, you may be sure, there is a succession in our
              desires; for one begins where its predecessor ends. You have been
              thrust into an existence which will never of itself put an end to
              your wretchedness and your slavery. Withdraw your chafed neck from
              the yoke; it is better that it should be cut off once and for all,
              than galled forever. If you retreat to privacy, everything will be
              on a smaller scale, but you will be satisfied abundantly; in your
              present condition, however, there is no satisfaction in the plenty
              which is heaped upon you on all sides. Would you rather be poor and
              sated, or rich and hungry? Prosperity is not only greedy, but it
              also lies exposed to the greed of others. And as long as nothing
              satisfies you, you yourself cannot satisfy others."
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58111 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: My vote for Modianus as Curule Aedile !

              Salvete Quirites,

               

              I Titus Flavius Aquila wholeheartedly support  K. Fabius Buteo Modianus candidacy for Curule Aedile.

               

              I am absolutely convinced that K. Fabius Buteo Modianus will perform absolutely marvelous as Curule Aedile.

               

              K. Fabius Buteo Modianus has shown and proven his devotion to our Res Publica several times .

               

              K. Fabius Buteo Modianus for Curule Aedile !

               

              Di vos incolumes custodiant

               

              Titus Flavius Aquila

              Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

              Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania
              Scriba Censoris KBFM
              Collegium sodalitas proDIIS
              Candidatus Quaestor


              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58112 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Candidacy as Censor
              Publius Constantinus Placidus SPD.

              Salvete omnes.
              I hereby announce my candidacy to the office of Censor. For the three
              past years, starting from 2005, I have been working as as scrìba for
              Censor Modianus, handling all of the applications from prospective
              Italian citizens.

              Bene valete,
              P. Con. Placidus
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58113 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: KANDIDATUR FÃœR DAS KONSULAT 2009-M. IVL. SEVERVS

              Marcus Iulius Severus omnes civibus Novae Romae SPD.

              Eine der republikanischen Traditionen von Rom, war es, üblicherweise, dass die Kandidaten für das Konsulat sich zu zweit, also paarweise ,präsentierten um einander zu ergänzen und zu unterstützen. Konsequenterweise und damit die höchsten Traditionen von Rom ehrend, haben Marcus Curiatus Complutensis und ich , uns entschieden, vereint unsere Kandidatur für das Konsulat zu präsentieren.

              Unsere Liebe zu Rom, seiner Kultur, seiner Religion und seiner Gesetze, verlangt von uns diesen weiteren Schritt in unserem Willen und unserer Entscheidung , um teilzunehmen, zusammenzuarbeiten und zu dienen, um Nova Roma stärker und größer zu machen. Deshalb komme ich heute in der toga candida um Euch Bürgern von Nova Roma anzuspechen:

              Ich, Marcus Iulius Severus, unterbreite Euch meine Kandidatur für das Konsulat in 2009. Ich bin Bürger von  Nova Roma seit MMDCCLVIII A.V.C., bin Plebejer und Assidui seit MMDCCLIX A.V.C.

              In diesen vier Jahren, habe ich gedient als:

               

              Prætor Novæ Romæ, in MMDCCLXI A.V.C.

              Senator, seit MMDCCLX A.V.C.

              Legatus Pro Praetore Mexico , seit MMDCCLIX A.V.C.

              Rogator, in MMDCCLIX A.V.C.

              Interpres, seit MMDCCLIX A.V.C.

              Accensus M. Moravio T. Iulio cos. MMDCCLXI A.V.C.

              Scriba, seit MMDCCLVIII A.V.C.

              Viator von Tribunus Plebis M.Curiatius Complutensis, MMDCCLX A.V.C.

              Scriba Censoris K. Fabius Buteo Modianus, von MMDCCLX A.V.C.

              Scriba Censoris C. Equitius Marinus, von MMDCCLVIII A.V.C. bis MMDCCLIX A.V.C.

              Officer der Sodalitas Musarum, seit MMDCCLIX A.V.C.

              Dies ist ein neuer Schritt in meinem Cursus Honorum. Ich wünsche aktiv teilzunehmen an Nova Roma’s Politik, um der Republik zu dienen und deshalb bin ich sicher, dass ich der richtige Kandidat für das Konsulat bin.

              Damit ich diese Aufgabe erfüllen kann, bitte ich Euch Bürger, in den nächsten Wahlen,

              für mich zu stimmen

              Mein Freund und Kollege M. Curatius Complutensis und ich, werden gemeinsam unsere Vorschläge für das Konsulat nächstes Jahr präsentieren. Wir wollen Euch dienen und wir werden uns mit Leib und Seele dieser großen Aufgabe widmen.

              Valete optime,

              M•IVL•SEVERVS

              PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

              SENATOR

              PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ• MEXICO

              ACCENSVS•CONSVLVM• T• IVLII•SABINI•ET• M•MORAVII•PISCINI

              SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M

              INTERPRETER

              MVSÆVS•COLLEGII• ERATOVS•SODALITAT IS•MVSARVM

              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58114 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] Candidacy as Censor
              Salvete omnes,
               
              I support P. Constatinus Placidus candidacy for Censor, and urge all Nova Roman citizens to vote for him.
               
              Valete optime,

              M•IVL•SEVERVS
              PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

              SENATOR
              PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
              CANDIDATVS CONSVL

              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58115 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: Restoring Accounts
              Salve Regule,

              Aulus Sepronius Regulus <a_sempronius.regulus@...> writes:

              > Salvete,
              >  
              > At 50, believe it or not, I've been in Afghanistan as observer/analyst.

              Welcome back. I'm pleased to know you've returned unscathed.

              > The home computer crashed while I was away with all the passwords.
              > So, I need the addresses to the following NR lists,
              >  
              > the cooking list

              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

              > philosophy list

              I don't know that one. Perhaps someone else can provide it.

              > virtues list

              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasVirtutis/

              > provincial list

              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/austrorientalis/

              Vale,

              CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58116 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS ET SEVERVS CONSVLS!
              C. Petronius M. Complutensi et M. Severo s.p.d.,


              > Citoyens de Nova Roma!

              >>> Nous, M. Curiatius Complutensis et M. Iulius Severus, cultivons les
              traditions romaines dans nos vies privées. Nous avons inspiré à nos
              familles amour pour Rome et mode de vie romain, pour que nos familles
              macro-nationales soient également familles dans Nova Roma.
              Pendant notre mandat de préteurs, nous nous sommes consultés souvent,
              nous nous sommes complétés au mieux, et toutes nos décisions ont été
              prises en plein accord.[...]<<<

              Bravo! Cette annonce de candidature au consulat écrite en français est
              vraiment une très bonne idée et une bonne démonstration de la diversité
              des langues dans Nova Roma.

              Une raison de plus pour vous (re)donner mon suffrage.;o)

              Valete.

              C. Petronius Dexter
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58117 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
              Salve Placide,

              Normally, censor is the pinnacle of one's political career, not where
              one starts. I am curious why you wish to make this jump rather than
              climb the Cursus Honorum?

              While I am sure you are a nice person, I urge my fellow citizens to
              respect tradition and vote for Senator Consularis Gaius Popillius
              Laenas, who has the experience and ability to do the job, and who has
              climbed the cursus as quaestor, praetor and consul.

              Vale et valete,

              D. Iunius Palladius Invict., Senator Censorius



              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Ugo Coppola" <ugo.coppola@...> wrote:
              >
              > Publius Constantinus Placidus SPD.
              >
              > Salvete omnes.
              > I hereby announce my candidacy to the office of Censor. For the three
              > past years, starting from 2005, I have been working as as scrìba for
              > Censor Modianus, handling all of the applications from prospective
              > Italian citizens.
              >
              > Bene valete,
              > P. Con. Placidus
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58118 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: KANDIDATUR FÃœR DAS KONSULAT 2009-M. CVR. COMPLVTENSIS

              Marcus Curiatius Complutensis omnibus civibus Novae Romae SPD.

              Eine der republikanischen Traditionen von Rom, war es, üblicherweise, dass die Kandidaten für das Konsulat sich zu zweit, also paarweise ,präsentierten um einander zu ergänzen und zu unterstützen. Konsequenterweise und damit die höchsten Traditionen von Rom ehrend, haben Marcus Iulius Severus und ich, uns entschieden, vereint unsere Kandidatur für das Konsulat zu präsentieren.

              Unsere Liebe zu Rom, seiner Kultur, seiner Religion und seiner Gesetze, verlangt von uns diesen weiteren Schritt in unserem Willen und unserer Entscheidung , um teilzunehmen, zusammenzuarbeiten und zu dienen, um Nova Roma stärker und größer zu machen. Deshalb komme ich heute in der toga candida um Euch Bürgern von Nova Roma anzuspechen:

              Ich, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, unterbreite Euch meine Kandidatur für das Konsulat in 2009. Ich bin Bürger von  Nova Roma seit MMDCCLVI A.V.C.bin Plebejer und Assidui seit MMDCCLVII A.V.C.

              In diesen sechs Jahren, habe ich gedient als:

              -Aedilis Oppidi Compluti <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_-_Oppidum_Complutum_%28Nova_Roma%29> [MMDCCLVI A.V.C. und [MMDCCLVII A.V.C.]

              -Legatus Pro Praetor Hispaniae <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_%28Nova_Roma%29> [MMDCCLVII A.V.C.]

              -Legatus Pro Praetore und Praetor Provincia Hispania <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Provincia_Hispania_%28Nova_Roma%29> [von MMDCCLVIII A.V.C.]

              -Scriba Censoris [von MMDCCLVIII A.V.C.]

              Censores Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus<http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Caeso_Fabius_Buteo_Quintilianus_%28Nova_Roma%29>

              Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Gnaeus_Equitius_Marinus_%28Nova_Roma%29>; und

              Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Gaius_Fabius_Buteo_Modianus_%28Nova_Roma%29>.

              -Scriba Magister Aranearius [MMDCCLVIII A.V.C.]

              -Accensus Consulis Minoris [MMDCCLIX A.V.C.]

              -Tribunus Plebis <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tribunus_Plebis_%28Nova_Roma%29> [MMDCCLX A.V.C.]

              -Senator [MMDCCLIX A.V.C.]

              - Praetor <http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Praetor_%28Nova_Roma%29> Novae Romae [MMDCCLXI A.V.C.]

               

              Dies ist ein neuer Schritt in meinem Cursus Honorum. Ich wünsche aktiv teilzunehmen an Nova Roma’s Politik, um der Republik zu dienen und deshalb bin ich sicher, dass ich der richtige Kandidat für das Konsulat bin.

              Damit ich diese Aufgabe erfüllen kann, bitte ich Euch Bürger, in den nächsten Wahlen,

              für mich zu stimmen

              Mein Freund und Kollege M. Iulius Severus und ich, werden gemeinsam unsere Vorschläge für das Konsulat nächstes Jahr präsentieren. Wir wollen Euch dienen und wir werden uns mit Leib und Seele dieser großen Aufgabe widmen.

              Curate ut valeate,

              M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS


              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58119 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: COMPLVTENSIS UND SEVERVS ALS CONSVLN

              Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Marcus Iulius Severus omnibus civibus Novae Romae SPD.

              Bürger von Nova Roma, wir Marcus Curiatus Complutensis und Marcus Iulius Severus, bewahren die römischen Traditionen in unserem privaten Leben. Wir haben unsere Familien für die Liebe zu Rom begeistert und für unseren Weg des Römischen Lebens, so das unsere makro-nationalen Familien, gleichfalls unsere Nova Roma Familien sind.

              Während unserer Amtszeit als Prätoren, haben wir alle unsere Entscheidungen in beiderseitigem Einvernehmen getroffen. Wir haben uns regelmäßig konsultiert , ergänzt und das alles in einer ausgesprochenen harmonischen Art und Weise.

              Wir waren die ersten Prätoren die ein anderes Ludi Apollinares organisiert haben, für die größte Ehre von Apollo und von Nova Roma.

              Durch unsere makro-nationalen Berufe, Complutensis als Rechtsanwalt, Severus als Journalist und Autor, glauben wir aufrichtig qualifiziert zu sein, die weitere Entwicklung, und Präsenz von Nova Roma in der Welt , zu fördern und zu stärken. Natürlich sind wir fest entschlossen unsere Aufgaben als Konsuln in gesamter und vollständiger Zusammenarbeit mit dem Senat, dem Collegium Pontificum und den neuen Prätoren zu erfüllen.

              Wir sind überzeugt, das die Politik, wie sie durch die Konsuln M.Moravius Piscinus Horatianus und T.Iulius Sabinus gefördert  wurde, die Beste war für das Jahr 2008 und deshalb ist es unsere Absicht, die notwendigen Schritte zu unternehmen, um durch Kontinuität, diese Politik zu stärken und neue Optionen und Ziele für Nova Roma und die neuen Römer zu setzen.

              Wir sind der tiefen aufrichtigen Überzeugung, dass der Kult der Religio Romana nicht mehr nur eine private oder sogar anekdotenhafte Angelegenheit ist, sondern eine mehr öffentliche, eine wirklich präsente im täglichen Leben von Nova Roma und den neuen Römern sein muß .

              Wir wollen die Möglichkeit untersuchen, dass ein antiker römischer Tempel , Nova Roma zugeordnet werden könnte, um öffentlich unsere heilige Religion praktizieren und unsere gebührende Verehrung der Götter von Rom darbieten zu können.

              Wir werden es fördern, dass Nova Roma eine Rechtspersönlichkeit in allen Ländern der Welt erlangt, die Nova Roma Gemeinden aufweisen. Anfangen werden wir mit der Europäischen Gemeinschaft und Latein Amerika, ohne die USA und Kanada in irgendeiner Weise zu vernachlässigen.Wir hoffen das in naher Zukunft, Nova Roma nicht nur eine Organisation von cultores oder re-enactern, nicht nur von bildender und kultureller Organisation sein wird.Wir wollen das Nova Roma der Bezugspunkt, der Dreh und Angelpunkt der römischen Welt wird. Das wollen wir konsolidieren, Schritt für Schritt, mit unserer Anstrengung, mit unserer Hingabe und unserer harten Arbeit.

              Wir sollten uns nicht nur dem Studium und re-enact der glorreichen römischen Vergangenheit widmen, sondern wollen unsere Anstrengung vereinen und Verbündete finden, um unser archäologisches Erbe, überall in der Welt, zu erhalten und zu konsolidieren, es gegen Angriffe schützen, das Übersehen oder die Vernachlässigung durch Regierungen und Einzelner verhindern.

              Es gibt viel zu tun Bürger. Wir wollen es tun und wir wissen wir können es tun mit der Unterstützung der Bürger und Eurer aktiven Teilnahme im Nova Roma Leben, unserem täglichen Leben. Deshalb bitten wir Euch bei den kommenden Wahlen für uns zu stimmen .

              Curate ut valeate,

              M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS

              PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
              SENATOR

              PRÆTOR• HISPANIÆ

              SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M

              M•IVL•SEVERVS
              PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
              SENATOR
              PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ• MEXICO
              ACCENSVS•CONSVLVM• T• IVLII•SABINI•ET• M•MORAVII•PISCINI
              SCRIBA•CENSORIS• K•F•B•M
              INTERPRETER
              MVSÆVS•COLLEGII• ERATOVS•SODALITAT IS•MVSARVM
              SOCIVS•CHORI•MVSARVM

              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58120 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: COMPLVTENSIS ET SEVERVS CONSVLS!
              Severus Dexteri s.d.
               
              Merci beaucoup encore, mon ami!
               
              Vale bene,

              M•IVL•SEVERVS
              PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

              SENATOR
              PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
              CANDIDATVS CONSVL

              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58121 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
              Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus D. Iunio Palladio Invicto omnibusque S.P.D.

                  One might also wonder why many do not skip the year between offices as was traditional. Maybe it is due to the paucity of candidates for the various offices (we're still short for things like quaestores and tribuni plebis). Surely there are more people who could run, especially for the lesser offices.

              Optime vale, et valete!

              --
              Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
              Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
              Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
              http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58122 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
              Salve Ahenobarbe,

              I do think the tradition of skipping a year should be respected,
              especially going from, for example, praetor to consul.

              We always seem to have enough candidates for the upper offices, but
              not enough, as you say, for the lower, such as quaestor, tribune of
              the plebs, Aedilis Plebis, custos and diribitor, which is why I find
              it interesting that with 10 open seats for these positions, there are
              two candidates for censor.

              Vale,

              Palladius


              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
              <cn.caelius@...> wrote:
              >
              > Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus D. Iunio Palladio Invicto omnibusque S.P.D.
              >
              > One might also wonder why many do not skip the year between
              offices as was traditional. Maybe it is due to the paucity of
              candidates for the various offices (we're still short for things like
              quaestores and tribuni plebis). Surely there are more people who could
              run, especially for the lesser offices.
              >
              > Optime vale, et valete!
              >
              > --
              > Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
              > Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
              > Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
              > http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58123 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
              Salve Varro,

              philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@...> writes:

              > if i were the founder of such thing "NR", i would admit only "pagan" people,

              Good thing for Nova Roma that you weren't one of the founders. It
              would be a very different, and perhaps much smaller, organization.

              I realize you probably don't mean to come across as a bigot, but
              you're coming across as a bigot.

              Vale,

              CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58124 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: EQUUS OCTOBER on 15th (Idus) : Patricians waited !!!
              Salve Albuci,

              I've already told you privately why I'm not participating in this, but
              since you insist on using inflamatory language about patricians and
              our dignitas, I'll say it out here in public too. I will not
              participate in blood sport. That's why you've never seen me enter the
              venationes. I only enter the ludi circenses.

              The games must remain optional activities for those who wish to
              participate. It is wrong to try to compel people to do something when
              Nova Roma has for so many years made clear that we have no requirement
              to participate in any kind of blood sport or blood sacrifice.

              Vale,

              CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

              Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> writes:

              > Patricians !!!
              >
              > I have not received yet any entry from Patricians for the Equus
              > October one of the very last events in our Roman year where the
              > opposition Nobilitas/Plebs is still alive, though through the medium
              > of two races and a fight, and the rituals that are celebrated along.
              >
              > Would patricians forget Rome past, and their own dignitas ? Would
              > they thus deprise our Gods ?
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58125 From: Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Announcing my candidacy for Tribunus Plebis
              TIBERIVS HORATIVS BARBATVS OMNIBUS S.P.D

              I have announced my candidacy for Tribunus Plebis to the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
              So as not to make this communication overly long, here is my statement on the NR Wiki:

              http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLXI_%28Nova_Roma%29/Tiberius_Horatius_
              Barbatus

              Should you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me
              directly - robbjaxon@...

              I humbly request that you favorably regard my offer to serve as the Tribunus Plebis and
              that you elect me, to serve you.

              Di vos incolumes custodiant

              Ti. Horatius
              Legate Massachusetts Regio, Provincia Nova Britannia
              Scriba Propraetoris
              Tribunus Plebis Candidatus
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58126 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
              o marinus, even jesus said in the Gospels "fear rnot, Little flock"
               
              the number is not important to make great things when people know what they want and where they go
               
              this said, i'm not a bigot but a true roman knowing one hing, society is grounded in cultus deorum!
               
              vale optime
               
               
              Varro
               
               
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58127 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
              Salve amice.

              Why not be even more inclusive and for an extra dollar on the tax admit
              everyone who wants to a raffle, where the prizes are those offices with the
              largest and most splendid pointy hats of "power"? That would save all this
              tedious effort of standing for offices, progressing up the cursus
              (respecting the various steps and time constraints [ha! not!!]) and building
              a well known public reputation, in short trying to do it the Roman way.

              Are we this hard up for candidates? Clearly we are.

              Vale bene
              Caesar


              From: deciusiunius
              Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:36 PM
              To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidacy as Censor


              Salve Ahenobarbe,

              I do think the tradition of skipping a year should be respected,
              especially going from, for example, praetor to consul.
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58128 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor


              >Salve Placide,

              >Normally, censor is the pinnacle of one's political career, not where
              >one starts. I am curious why you wish to make this jump rather than
              >climb the Cursus Honorum?








              You're very much right, Palladius -  I admit that I'm not the best possible candidate to the position, as other people have much more experience inside NR than me. However, I decided to 'make the jump' because, having worked 3 years as a scriba for Modianus, the Cohors Censoris is the only office of Nova Roma which I really know - I know the way it works.

              In reply to Marinus, I didn't really know that having been a praetor or a consul was an essential requisite to candidate myself as censor - that's not the way I understood the original call for candidates. The way I understood it was that a citizen must have worked as a praetor OR a consul OR a quaestor OR as an Aedilis [etc.] for at least six months. I have been Plebeian Aedile since the beginning of this year, so I thought, reading the call, that it was enough to candidate myself as a censor. If it isn't - if it was my misunderstanding - you may safely delete my candidacy. I shall accept that as a consequence of my mistake. Also, I did not candidate myself as quaestor, praetor or consul because I simply wouldn't be able to work as any of those - I have no idea about what any of those are supposed to do.
              In short, I'm fully aware that there are no real grounds to support my candidacy, except for the fact that, as I said above, I know how the Cohors works and, as Palladius said, I am a nice person. ;-)

              I'm not really interested in having a 'political career'. I do what I do [i.e. scriba for Modianus and Aedilis] only because of the fact that, if I didn't, I wouldn't be doing anything at all in here.

              Bene valete,
              P. Con. Placidus
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58129 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
              Salve Placide,


              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Ugo Coppola <ugo.coppola@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              > >
              > > >Salve Placide,
              > >
              > > >Normally, censor is the pinnacle of one's political career, not where
              > > >one starts. I am curious why you wish to make this jump rather than
              > > >climb the Cursus Honorum?

              > You're very much right, Palladius - I admit that I'm not the best
              > possible candidate to the position, as other people have much more
              > experience inside NR than me. However, I decided to 'make the jump'
              > because, having worked 3 years as a scriba for Modianus, the Cohors
              > Censoris is the only office of Nova Roma which I really know - I know
              > the way it works.
              >
              > In reply to Marinus, I didn't really know that having been a praetor
              >or a consul was an essential requisite to candidate myself as censor
              >- that's not the way I understood the original call for candidates.
              >The way I understood it was that a citizen must have worked as a
              >praetor OR a consul OR a quaestor OR as an Aedilis [etc.] for at
              >least six months.
              > I have been Plebeian Aedile since the beginning of this year, so I
              > thought, reading the call, that it was enough to candidate myself as a
              > censor. If it isn't - if it was my misunderstanding - you may safely
              > delete my candidacy. I shall accept that as a consequence of my
              mistake.

              Please don't misunderstand me. It was *not* a mistake legally, and you
              are within the law and within your rights to run. Consul or praetor is
              not legally required to stand for the office, though many of us
              probably think it should be. The issue is a matter of the tradition of
              the cursus honorum, and whether we start holding people a little more
              closely to that tradition. Censor truly is the pinnacle of one's
              political career and is generally a seasoned senator. Running down the
              list of previous censors in my mind, I am not finding any exceptions
              to that rule.

              > Also, I did not candidate myself as quaestor, praetor or consul
              >because
              > I simply wouldn't be able to work as any of those - I have no idea
              >about
              > what any of those are supposed to do.
              > In short, I'm fully aware that there are no real grounds to support >my
              > candidacy, except for the fact that, as I said above, I know how the
              > Cohors works and, as Palladius said, I am a nice person. ;-)

              Your reply proves that. :-) My reply wasn't meant to be a personal
              criticism and I'm glad you didn't see it as one. Your willingness to
              serve in office is appreciated and commendable. We need more people
              like you and if you were running for an office a few steps down the
              cursus, you would have my vote. I just saw your name, looked at your
              profile and wondered why a comparatively inexperienced person
              politically was running for our highest office.

              Vale bene,

              Palladius
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58130 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: EQUUS OCTOBER on 15th (Idus) : Patricians waited !!!
              Dear Censori Marine,

              I had well taken in consideration and respected your privately
              expressed position and conviction.

              I have just considered that other Patricians, whose convictions are
              different, could be eager to defend the honor of the Nobilitas, in
              what is not just a blood sport but an authentic and ancient
              respectable event and ritual in Rome's life, which is in itself one
              of all these things that make our Roman identity.

              We will have all together, as we had during the current year, new
              opportunities to meet in the Circus for chariot races, specially
              under my collega plebis Placidus' supervision, next month (Ludi
              Plebei), and during our last decennalis curule event in December, the
              Ianuales.

              Thanks for your understanding.

              Vale Censori,


              P. Memmius Albucius
              aed. cur.


              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Salve Albuci,
              >
              > I've already told you privately why I'm not participating in this,
              but
              > since you insist on using inflamatory language about patricians
              and
              > our dignitas, I'll say it out here in public too. I will not
              > participate in blood sport. That's why you've never seen me enter
              the
              > venationes. I only enter the ludi circenses.
              >
              > The games must remain optional activities for those who wish to
              > participate. It is wrong to try to compel people to do something
              when
              > Nova Roma has for so many years made clear that we have no
              requirement
              > to participate in any kind of blood sport or blood sacrifice.
              >
              > Vale,
              >
              > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
              >
              > Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> writes:
              >
              > > Patricians !!!
              > >
              > > I have not received yet any entry from Patricians for the Equus
              > > October one of the very last events in our Roman year where the
              > > opposition Nobilitas/Plebs is still alive, though through the
              medium
              > > of two races and a fight, and the rituals that are celebrated
              along.
              > >
              > > Would patricians forget Rome past, and their own dignitas ? Would
              > > they thus deprise our Gods ?
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58131 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
              Salve, Palladius. Of course I didn't misunderstand you. I was concerned that I misunderstood the original call for candidates - i.e. I wasn't sure that I could actually run for censor without having been consul or praetor - so I thank you for confirming me that it was not a mistake of mine.
              I certainly respect the tradition of NR about the Cursus Honorum and I fully understand what the issue is. However, as I said before, having a political career is not what I am in Nova Roma for. It wasn't one of my aims when I joined the group, and it still isn't.
              Also, in reply to the second part of your post I quoted below , I really have to say that, when I decided to candidate myself, I didn't know that the office of Censor was the highest one in Nova Roma. The original call for candidates didn't explicly mention that it was. When I read the call, I browsed through it, I noticed there was one open place as censor and this is what  I thought: "Oh, here's something I could do, because I know how it works". That was my only, unique, sole reason for candidating myself as censor. I didn't think at all about a possible political career or anything else like that. I saw it as a possibility to just continue being active within Nova Roma. Otherwise, I would be almost completely inactive.

              Of course, I won't absolutely blame you or bear any kind of 'grudge' towards you for not supporting my candidacy - you're obviously fully entitled not to. Over the course of more than 12 years since I first connected myself to the Internet, I've learned not to get even remotely irritated or upset about what people think about me, or about ANYTHING AT ALL happening on the Internet and limited to that. My cognomen means exactly the way I am.

              Bene vale,
              P. Con. Placidus

              >Please don't misunderstand me. It was *not* a mistake legally, and you
              >are within the law and within your rights to run. Consul or praetor is
              >not legally required to stand for the office, though many of us
              >probably think it should be. The issue is a matter of the tradition of
              >the cursus honorum, and whether we start holding people a little more
              >closely to that tradition. Censor truly is the pinnacle of one's
              >political career and is generally a seasoned senator. Running down the
              >list of previous censors in my mind, I am not finding any exceptions
              >to that rule.



              >[...] I just saw your name, looked at your
              >profile and wondered why a comparatively inexperienced person
              >politically was running for our highest office.



              __._,_

              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58132 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: EQUUS OCTOBER on 15th (Idus) : Patricians waited !!!
              Salve Marine,

              huh? Did anyone organize blood sports? If so, please let me know!
              I'm interested in blood sports, as well as in blood sacrifices.
              So far all I have seen being organized in Nova Roma are virtual ludi,
              with an abundance of bytes, words, characters.

              But I have never seen words bleed, or bytes bite.

              Vale,
              Livia


              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Salve Albuci,
              >
              > I've already told you privately why I'm not participating in this, but
              > since you insist on using inflamatory language about patricians and
              > our dignitas, I'll say it out here in public too. I will not
              > participate in blood sport. That's why you've never seen me enter the
              > venationes. I only enter the ludi circenses.
              >
              > The games must remain optional activities for those who wish to
              > participate. It is wrong to try to compel people to do something when
              > Nova Roma has for so many years made clear that we have no requirement
              > to participate in any kind of blood sport or blood sacrifice.
              >
              > Vale,
              >
              > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
              >
              > Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> writes:
              >
              > > Patricians !!!
              > >
              > > I have not received yet any entry from Patricians for the Equus
              > > October one of the very last events in our Roman year where the
              > > opposition Nobilitas/Plebs is still alive, though through the medium
              > > of two races and a fight, and the rituals that are celebrated along.
              > >
              > > Would patricians forget Rome past, and their own dignitas ? Would
              > > they thus deprise our Gods ?
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58133 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
              Salve P. Con. Placidus!

              I am not sure if we met when I was in Italy as a Consul, but be sure that I especially appreciate every active  citizen and naturally all active Italians. Nova Roma need to settle deeper in Italian soil to survive and grow, especially in Europe, so we need more magistrates from our Mother contry.

              When it come to your candidature I agree with my friend and colleague (but former politiucal opponent ;-) ) Senatis Palladius. Frankly the Censorshiop is not for You. Just take a look at the Cosntitution, there You will understand that the Censorship is ranked as the highest magistrate ("The ordinarii, in decreasing order of authority, are as follows: 1. Censor.") So tis is why so many advise You to not start at the top.
              .

              I have been considering You "urge" to serve and you have more than my respect for that, but when I look at what You want to do I think it would be more traditional (and the Romans held hard to their traditions - Mos Maiorum) and more to the point if You candidated as a Rogator. 

              Many former Censorii inofficially act as the senior advisors of the Consuls and Praetores and they also revise the Senate's list, appoint and remove Sentors, not a job for someone who hasn't been a Senator for a long time. In fact I expect to see a proposal for a new legislation rather soon  that will only elect two Censores every other year, during which they handle the Census and Album Senatorium and Album Civius. 

              The Rogatores in their case now do exactly what You have done as a Scriba, but they are or should be the bosses of the Censorial Scribae or their own Scribae. The Rogatorsl on the other hand will, in the new legislation proposal, be elected every year and they will fully take over the responsibility for approval of new citizens from the Censores. I am not sure how fast this legislation will become the rule, but I still think Rogator is what You should candidate as.

              So as Senator Palladius, without any harsh feelings and without trying to force You, I suggest that You candidate for the Rogatorship and then next year candiadte as a Praetor or Tribune. As a Praetor You will enter the least experienced  group of Senatores and then earn to be one of the prime advisors of the Res Publica - the Senate. If You take this longer way and do a good job I will certainlly support You in your bid for the highest office in due time. I can't support You as a Censor now, but I assure You that I still will respect You and your will to serve.


              13 okt 2008 kl. 22.54 skrev Ugo Coppola:

              Salve, Palladius. Of course I didn't misunderstand you. I was concerned that I misunderstood the original call for candidates - i.e. I wasn't sure that I could actually run for censor without having been consul or praetor - so I thank you for confirming me that it was not a mistake of mine.
              I certainly respect the tradition of NR about the Cursus Honorum and I fully understand what the issue is. However, as I said before, having a political career is not what I am in Nova Roma for. It wasn't one of my aims when I joined the group, and it still isn't.
              Also, in reply to the second part of your post I quoted below , I really have to say that, when I decided to candidate myself, I didn't know that the office of Censor was the highest one in Nova Roma. The original call for candidates didn't explicly mention that it was. When I read the call, I browsed through it, I noticed there was one open place as censor and this is what  I thought: "Oh, here's something I could do, because I know how it works". That was my only, unique, sole reason for candidating myself as censor. I didn't think at all about a possible political career or anything else like that. I saw it as a possibility to just continue being active within Nova Roma. Otherwise, I would be almost completely inactive.

              Of course, I won't absolutely blame you or bear any kind of 'grudge' towards you for not supporting my candidacy - you're obviously fully entitled not to. Over the course of more than 12 years since I first connected myself to the Internet, I've learned not to get even remotely irritated or upset about what people think about me, or about ANYTHING AT ALL happening on the Internet and limited to that. My cognomen means exactly the way I am.

              Bene vale,
              P. Con. Placidus




              *****************
              Vale

              Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

              Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
              Civis Romanus sum
              ************************************************
              Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
              "I'll either find a way or make one"
              ************************************************
              Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
              Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
              ************************************************
              Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae 
              Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae 





              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58134 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Manager sought for Pliny's villa
              Salvete quirites,
              on today's (October 13) italian newspaper "La Repubblica" there was an
              article (titled "Rediscovering lost treasures"), according to which in
              Umbria there is a project with the purpose of putting to use some of
              the historically interesting properties, so they are looking for
              companies interested in managing various sites, among which the
              Cappelletti villa in Colle Plinio, the site where, according to
              tradition the villa of Pliny the Young was situated.
              The project website is www.pietredumbria.it, but unfortunately I'm
              unable to provide more information because the website is full of
              animations that can't be handled by the over 10 year-old computer I'm
              using while in Italy. So I wasn't able to get past the intro page, but
              I noticed they do have an english home page.
              I thought that some enterprising people might be interested.

              Valete,
              Livia
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58135 From: Francesco Valenzano Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
              Salvete Omnes,
              I support the canidacy of Placidus as Censor, he's very experienced in this Office having served for 3 years. He knows very well the job and he's a citizens full of skills and abilities.
               
              Valete
              Fr. Apulus Caesar
              Praefectus Italiae et Senator Consulares


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              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58136 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: Re: Candidacy as Censor
              M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

              I have not had the time to think carefully about backing any
              candidate, so without meaning to do that, I will just add two small
              bits to this discussion.

              First, Placidus, although perhaps not well known generally, is well
              known to me. He has been very helpful, indeed, nearly tireless in
              translating pages on our website into Italian. Many people have helped
              in many ways, but Placidus is noteworthy as being, in my estimation,
              exceptionally hard working, cooperative and, indeed, exceptionally nice.

              Second, and a segue from the first, I made a small addition to the
              template that provides the framework for our biography pages. From the
              election page, or from the candidates' statement pages, (or indeed
              from many other places), just click on the name of a candidate to see
              that candidate's biography page. Look under the left end of the
              "Language Bar" on anybody's biography page and you will see, in a tiny
              box:

              "Wiki: User: Talk - Contributions to this site"

              Click on "User: Talk" to leave a public message for this person.

              Click on "Contributions to this site" to see what this person has done
              in terms of website editing. You'll see a chronological list of the
              person's activities.

              There are many ways to contribute to Nova Roma. Helping to build our
              website is one of them. You can now find objective information about
              this for everyone with a bio page.


              optime valete!



              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Ugo Coppola <ugo.coppola@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              > >
              > > >Salve Placide,
              > >
              > > >Normally, censor is the pinnacle of one's political career, not where
              > > >one starts. I am curious why you wish to make this jump rather than
              > > >climb the Cursus Honorum?
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > You're very much right, Palladius - I admit that I'm not the best
              > possible candidate to the position, as other people have much more
              > experience inside NR than me. However, I decided to 'make the jump'
              > because, having worked 3 years as a scriba for Modianus, the Cohors
              > Censoris is the only office of Nova Roma which I really know - I know
              > the way it works.
              >
              > In reply to Marinus, I didn't really know that having been a praetor or
              > a consul was an essential requisite to candidate myself as censor -
              > that's not the way I understood the original call for candidates. The
              > way I understood it was that a citizen must have worked as a praetor OR
              > a consul OR a quaestor OR as an Aedilis [etc.] for at least six months.
              > I have been Plebeian Aedile since the beginning of this year, so I
              > thought, reading the call, that it was enough to candidate myself as a
              > censor. If it isn't - if it was my misunderstanding - you may safely
              > delete my candidacy. I shall accept that as a consequence of my
              mistake.
              > Also, I did not candidate myself as quaestor, praetor or consul because
              > I simply wouldn't be able to work as any of those - I have no idea
              about
              > what any of those are supposed to do.
              > In short, I'm fully aware that there are no real grounds to support my
              > candidacy, except for the fact that, as I said above, I know how the
              > Cohors works and, as Palladius said, I am a nice person. ;-)
              >
              > I'm not really interested in having a 'political career'. I do what
              I do
              > [i.e. scriba for Modianus and Aedilis] only because of the fact
              that, if
              > I didn't, I wouldn't be doing anything at all in here.
              >
              > Bene valete,
              > P. Con. Placidus
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58137 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-10-13
              Subject: About my appointment as senator
              Cn. Cornelius Lentulus quaestor: K. Fabio Buteoni et Ti. Galerio Paulino censoribus, M. Moravio Piscino et T. Iulio Sabino consulibus, P. Memmio Albucio aedili, Cn. Equitio Marino Censorio, denique omnibus Quiritibus: s. p. d.:



              Firstly, I thank the Censores K. Buteo and Ti. Paulinus for sublecting me to the Senate that is the highest possible honour a Roman could imagine. I'm really heartened by this appreciation and I can just hope I deserved it. I see my work during the last five years in Nova Roma does not remain unnoticed and this is in itself more than I could expect.

              Thanks also to everybody who congratulated me upon this announcement, especially to our Consules M. Piscinus and T. Sabinus for their very kind words.

              However, after three days of thinking and considering every aspect of my Senatorial appointment, I'm really sorry to say, but my conclusion is that I cannot accept the place offered in the Senate for both personal and social reasons.

              I can't repeat enough how this sublection to the Senate is honouring to me, not only because of the high rank I'm promoted to, but especially because of my personal appreciation towards these Censores who granted me this position; still I must say I can't accept it.

              There are several reasons to it, and I think it is convenient to explain them publicly:

              1. The edictum is in dubious relation with the lex Popillia;
              2. I want to call the attention to the need for a better Ordo Equester;
              3. My work focused on the religio Romana.


              1) Most of you, Quirites, are not aware of the fact that there were some legal problems about the Censorial Edict discussed among your magistrates on their internal mailing list. The question was arisen by Cn. Equitius Marinus Censorius, a man most honestly attached to the republic and endowed with the highest qualities of honour, wisdom and virtue, subsequently supported by our own P. Memmius Albucius, the good lawyer and legal mind.

              They were arguing that the edictum censorium de adlegendis senatoribus violates the lex Popillia senatoria that requires the revision of the album senatorium to be conducted after the census has been done.

              Many of our finest citizens, including both of our Consules tried to demonstrate that the edictum did not violate the Popillian law and they argued that the law did not explicitly say that the revision could be done only immediately after the census, but it said "After they have declared the maximum number of senatores, the censores shall revise the list of senatores".

              I myself would say both interpretation can be valid if we only look at the text of the law.

              If, however, we see the spirit of the law, and especially if we remember the intention of those who wrote this law, I must say that this edictum, even if doesn't violate the law, it is dubious in its legality at least.

              If we would like to see what the intention of the legislators was, you have to follow the tread of discussion from the message 36580 back in the year of the Consulship of Fr. Apulus and C. Laenas.

              The intention of the legislators was clearly to make the lectio senatus based on the ancient lex Ovinia as accurately as possible. It is mentioned even in the law. Our own brilliant A. Apollonius Cordus wrote a very good message about the spirit and intention of the lex Popillia senatoria upon the occasion of the sublection of M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus. He also was sublected on a bad interpretation of this law:

              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/46679

              If you have read Cordus' letter, you will see that the intention of this lex Popillia was to fix the lectio senatus immediately after the census so that before the next census there can't be another lectio senatus. Well, after the last census we had a lectio senatus, so this now would be not only not immediately after the census but also the second one.

              I believe, if you have read this letter of A. Apollonius, you will clearly see why I don't feel comfortable with this Senatorial appointment, and why I think - if I want to revive the mos maiorum and to respect my Romanitas, and if I'm mindful to hear the voice of such excellent Nova Romans like Cn. Marinus Censorius, P. Memmius and A. Apollonius, I mustn't accept this honour.


              2) There is, however, a personal side of my decision, too.

              I'm not that sure if there will be a possibility for me to live a complete Roman life other than this in Nova Roma. It's possible that if I want to live a Roman life, Nova Roma is and will be the only community, at least in the next 10 years surely. So, if I would like to experience the cursus honorum, I should do so that it give me a satisfaction perhaps for my whole life, because I don't have another possibility for example to be an equestrian before becoming senator. And I do want to experience being equestrian before entering the senate.

              Therefore I want the fact that I don't accept the senatorial appointment to be a call to our magistrates and citizenry that we need a real and authentic Equestrian Order.

              Equestrian Order was the top class of the Old Republic. A financial aristocracy. This is what we need to establish in Nova Roma, too. We have to abandon the current silly system that only public merchants are members of the Equestrian Order: citizens who are willing to contribute financially more should be equites as well. I'm looking forward to help to create this kind of top class of Nova Roma with my work and with my ideas, desiring to become member of this class before I would be appointed into those higher ranks.


              3) Besides these aforementioned reasons there is another personal reason of mine.

              This 10th Anniversary and Sacred Year of Concordia was full of appreciation for me: first, my election as Quaestor again, then my appointment as Sacerdos Concordiae. Then I was granted the first Nova Roman scholarship which would be in itself enough honour to me for this year. After the beautiful Nova Roman events in the summer, recently I have been appointed Pontifex, and within a week, and as the crown for my activities of this Sacred Anniversary Year, as Senator of Nova Roma.

              The Gods were most favourable to me this year. I feel I have to know where to stop. They honoured me with a Pontificate, now I'm tempted with becoming a Senator. The debate around the validity of the Censorial Edict was a sign for me, it's better to stop here, and to focus in the next years on the Pontificate. There is much to do there!...


              I publicly thank again the confidence and distinction of the Censores that they wished me to become member of the august advisory body of the magistrates. There was an ancient Roman tradition to allow some selected young men to be present at the Senate sessions as observers so that they could learn how the Senate worked how to be a noble senator. As a compromise I would like to offer my silent presence in the Senate as an observer in a similar way, being not only a Governor of a very active province but also as a Pontifex, Latinist and scholar: thus, though not being a Senator myself, still I could give my advice in private communication to the magistrates.


              Curate, ut valeatis resque publica valeat!

              Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
              Q U A E S T O R
              P O N T I F E X
              SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
              ------------------------------------------
              Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
              Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
              Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
              Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
              Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
              Scriba Aedilis Curulis P. Memmii Albucii
              Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
              Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
              -------------------------------------------
              Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
              Dominus Factionis Russatae
              Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58138 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 14, 2008.
              C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d,
               
              Today in Rome :
               
              (Julian day : 2 454 754).
               
              Pridie Idus Octobres.
              MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
              Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio
               
              Day of the week : Martis dies (Tuesday).
               
              Lunaris dies: XVI .
              Nundinal letter : G
              Luna Plena.
               
              Hora ortus Solis : 07:22.
              Hora occasus Solis : 18:30.
              Temp. Min. : 12° C.
              Temp. Max. : 24° C.
              Wind on Rome : 11 Km/h.
              Weather : Sun and clouds.
               
              Horae diei :
               
              I: 07:22 - 08:08 Veneris hora.
              II: 08:08 - 08:54 Mercurii hora.
              III: 08:54 - 09:40 Lunae hora.
              IV: 09:40 - 10:27 Saturni hora.
              V: 10:27 - 11:13 Iovis hora.
              VI: 11:13 - 12:00 Martis hora.
              VII: 12:00 - 13:05 Solis hora.
              VIII: 13:05 - 14:10 Veneris hora.
              IX: 14:10 - 15:15 Mercurii hora.
              X: 15:15 - 16:20 Lunae hora.
              XI: 16:20  - 17:25 Saturni hora.
              XII: 17:25 - 18:30 Iovis hora.
               
              Horae noctis :
               
              I: 18:30 - 19:25 Martis hora.
              II: 19:25 - 20:20 Solis hora.
              III: 20:20 - 21:15 Veneris hora.
              IV: 21:15 - 22:10 Mercurii hora.
              V: 22:10 - 23:05 Lunae hora.
              VI: 23:05 - 00:00 Saturni hora.
              VII: 00:00 - 01:14 Iovis hora.
              VIII: 01:14 - 02:28 Martis hora.
              IX: 02:28 - 03:41 Solis hora.
              X: 03:41 - 04:55 Veneris hora.
              XI: 04:55 - 06:09 Mercurii hora.
              XII: 06:09 - 07:23 Lunae hora.
               
               
              Valete.
               
              C. Petronius Dexter.
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58139 From: C. MINICIUS AGRIPPA Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: AMPHITHEATRUM
              AMPHITHEATRUM
              ANFITEATROS ROMANOS EN HISPANIA

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              C. Minicius Agrippa
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58140 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Pridie Eidus Octobris: Penatibus Veliae
              M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
              omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di Penates vos semper servent.

              Hodie est die pristine Eidus Octobris; haec dies endotercisus est:
              Penatibus Veliae

              Dei Penates

              "Divine Penates of our ancestors, to you I commend the good fortune
              of my parents, and to you, Lar familiaris, that you safeguard them
              well." ~ Plautus, Mercator 834-35

              "They show you in Rome a temple built not far from the Forum in the
              short street that leads to the Carinae; it is a small shrine, and is
              darkened by the height of the adjacent buildings. The place is called
              in the native speech Velia. In this temple there are images of the
              Trojan Gods which it is lawful for all to see, with an inscription
              showing them to be the Penates. They are two seated youths holding
              spears, and are pieces of ancient workmanship. We have seen many
              other statues also of these Gods in ancient temples and in all of
              them are represented two youths in military garb. These it is
              permitted to see, and it is also permitted to hear and to write about
              them what Callistratus, the author of the history of Samothrace,
              relates, and also Satyrus, who collected the ancient legends, and
              many others, too, among whom the poet Arctinus is the earliest we
              know of. At any rate, the following is the account they give.
              Chrysê, the daughter of Pallas, when she was married to Dardanus,
              brought for her dowry the gifts of Athena, that is, the Palladia and
              the sacred symbols of the Great Gods, in whose mysteries she had been
              instructed. When the Arcadians, fleeing from the deluge, left the
              Peloponnesus and established their abode in the Thracian island,
              Dardanus built there a temple to these Gods, whose particular names
              he kept secret from all any others, and performed the mysteries in
              their honor which are observed to this day by the Samothracians." ~
              Dionysius of Halicarnassus 1.68


              A short distance from the Forum, on the Velia, stood the Temple of
              the Penates. It is first mentioned by Livy in the years 167 and 165
              BCE (Livy 45.16). Varro, though, mentions among the stations of the
              Argei, thought to date from the latter half of the third century
              (Varro5.54). This would place its original dedication some time
              shortly before the First Punic War. Today's festival, however, is
              for the rededication after Augustus restored the temple (Res Gestae
              4.19). It was in the Augustan temple that archaic statues of the
              Dioscuri, Castor and Pollux, stood in to represent the Di Penates.
              But, as Dionysius said above, these were images that "it is lawful
              for all to see." Varro also mentions how at Samothrace there were
              statues for all to see, and then there were those of the mysteries of
              Samothrace.

              "For Terra and Caelus, as the mysteries of the Samothracians teach,
              are the Great Gods, and these whom I have mentioned under many names
              are not those Great Gods whom Samothrace represents by two male
              statues of bronze which she has set up before the city gates, nor are
              they, as the populace thinks, the Samothracian Gods who are really
              Castor and Pollux; but these are male and female, these are those
              whom the Libri Augurum mention as 'potent deities,' Divi potes, for
              what the Samothracians call Theoi dynatoi." ~ M. Terrentius Varro,
              Lingua Latinae 5.58

              The Penates were said to have been brought by Aeneas from Troy. They
              were placed at Lavinium, a Latin city named for the daughter of
              Latinus who is Jupiter Latiaris, who was given to Aeneas as wife.
              This was "the first town of the Roman line ... for there are our
              Penates (Varro, L. L. 5.144)." With whom were the Dei Penates
              indentified was kept secret, and thus raised some speculation even in
              ancient times. One theory has been based on a Christian passage.

              "Come, Dii Penates, come Apollo and Neptune and all You Gods, and by
              Your powers may You mercifully turn aside this ill disease that
              violently twists, scorches and burns our city with fever." ~
              Arnobius, Adversus Nationes III 43

              Some have thought that Arnobius quotes a prayer that identified the
              Penates as Apollo and Neptunus. But that is not what the passage
              says. Apollo, Neptunus, and the Penates, as well as all Gods of
              healing are invoked here. They also were not Castor and Pollux, and
              the Penates may have been male and female. One possibility may have
              been Ilus, son of Tros, who founded the city of Ilium from whence
              came Aeneas. And Ilia, the daughter of Numitor, who bore Romulus and
              Remus for Mars, and who is otherwise called Rhea Silvia. However we
              might identify these Dei Penates of the Velia, they were associated
              with Aeneas, and their temple on the Velia dates to a time not long
              after Rome adopted the cultus of Aeneas from Lavinium following
              Rome's war with the Latin League.


              AUC 376 / 377 BCE: War against the Latin League

              "The exasperation and rage of the Latins at finding themselves unable
              to injure the Romans in war or to induce the Volscians to keep up
              hostilities rose to such a pitch that they set fire to Satricum,
              which had been their first shelter after their defeat. They flung
              firebrands on sacred and profane buildings alike, and not a single
              roof of that city escaped except the temple of Mother Matuta. It is
              stated that it was not for any religious scruple nor for fear of the
              Gods that restrained them, but an awe-inspiring Voice which sounded
              from the temple threatening them with terrible punishment if they did
              not keep their accursed firebrands far from the shrine. Whilst in
              this state of frenzy, they next attacked Tusculum, in revenge for its
              having deserted the national council of the Latins and not only
              becoming an ally of Rome but even accepting her citizenship. The
              attack was unexpected and they burst in through the open gates. The
              town was taken at the first alarm with the exception of the citadel.
              Thither the townsmen fled for refuge with their wives and children,
              after sending messengers to Rome to inform the senate of their
              plight. With the promptitude which the honour of the Roman people
              demanded an army was marched to Tusculum under the command of the
              consular tribunes, L. Quinctius and Ser. Sulpicius. They found the
              gates of Tusculum closed and the Latins, with the feelings of men who
              are at once besieging and being besieged, were in one direction
              defending the walls and in the other attacking the citadel, inspiring
              terror and feeling it at the same time. The arrival of the Romans
              produced a change in the temper of both sides; it turned the gloomy
              forebodings of the Tusculans into the utmost cheerfulness, whilst the
              confidence which the Latins had felt in a speedy capture of the
              citadel, as they were already in possession of the town, sank into a
              faint and feeble hope of even their own safety. The Tusculans in the
              citadel gave a cheer, it was answered by a much louder one from the
              Roman army. The Latins were hard pressed on both sides; they could
              not withstand the attack of the Tusculans charging from the higher
              ground, nor could they repel the Romans who were mounting the walls
              and forcing the gates. The walls were first taken by escalade, then
              the bars of the gates were burst. The double attack in front and rear
              left the Latins no strength to fight and no room for escape; between
              the two they were killed to a man." ~ Livy 6.33


              AUC 976 / 223 CE: Death of Callistus.

              Callistus was the slave of a Christian. He was entrusted by
              Carpophorus with a sum of money to found a bank. Callistus loaned
              out the money to people who either refused or couldn't repay the
              loans, and thus the bank collapsed. Rather than be punished by his
              master, Callistus fled. Captured, his life was spared because the
              depositors thought he had stolen the money and hidden it somewhere.
              He was thus sent off to work in the tin mines until he could recall
              the hiding place and recover the money. When the Emperor issued a
              proclamation of amnesty, freeing any who were imprisoned for being
              Christians, Callistus was mistakenly freed. He was then made an
              archdeacon by Pope Zephyrinus and put in charge of public burial
              grounds. He again was not free from scandal. But then when the pope
              died, he stepped in and had himself declared as pope, the sixteenth
              pope of Rome, in 218 CE. He was not the only pope in Rome as rival
              factions in different parts of the City declared their own popes.
              There were the usual charges of heresy and counter charges thrown at
              Callistus. He is listed in Christian sources as a martyr, although
              he died of natural causes, and his martyrdom only refers to his
              having died while recognized as a pope by one faction or another.
              His real importance comes from the fact that the cemetery of
              Callistus on the Aurelian road south of Rome became an important
              center for the cult of martyrs in the early Christian church at Rome.
              Early popes and other martyrs were buried here so that his cemetery
              became a pilgrimage site.


              Thought of the day from Epictetus, Enchiridion 6

              "Be not elated at any excellence not your own. If a horse should be
              elated, and say, 'I am handsome,' it might be endurable. But when you
              are elated, and say, 'I have a handsome horse,' know that you are
              elated only on the merit of the horse. What then is your own? The use
              of phenomena of existence. So that when you are in harmony with
              nature in this respect, you will be elated with some reason; for you
              will be elated at some good of your own."
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58141 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: About my appointment as senator
              Memmius Cn. Cornelio Lentulo s.d.

              You have probably read the answer that, in "NRagistrates" list, for
              my own view, I have brought to this much honorable letter that you
              have sent to us.

              Here, I will just underline the dignitas that you show in your
              decision. Such a behavior is an example for all of us, youngers or
              elders.

              Tibi multas gratias, et vale bene Lentule,



              P. Memmius Albucius







              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
              <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
              >
              > Cn. Cornelius Lentulus quaestor: K. Fabio Buteoni et Ti. Galerio
              Paulino censoribus, M. Moravio Piscino et T. Iulio Sabino consulibus,
              P. Memmio Albucio aedili, Cn. Equitio Marino Censorio, denique
              omnibus Quiritibus: s. p. d.:
              >
              >
              >
              > Firstly, I thank the Censores K. Buteo and Ti. Paulinus for
              sublecting me to the Senate that is the highest possible honour a
              Roman could imagine. I'm really heartened by this appreciation and I
              can just hope I deserved it. I see my work during the last five years
              in Nova Roma does not remain unnoticed and this is in itself more
              than I could expect.
              >
              > Thanks also to everybody who congratulated me upon this
              announcement, especially to our Consules M. Piscinus and T. Sabinus
              for their very kind words.
              >
              > However, after three days of thinking and considering every aspect
              of my Senatorial appointment, I'm really sorry to say, but my
              conclusion is that I cannot accept the place offered in the Senate
              for both personal and social reasons.
              >
              > I can't repeat enough how this sublection to the Senate is
              honouring to me, not only because of the high rank I'm promoted to,
              but especially because of my personal appreciation towards these
              Censores who granted me this position; still I must say I can't
              accept it.
              >
              > There are several reasons to it, and I think it is convenient to
              explain them publicly:
              >
              > 1. The edictum is in dubious relation with the lex Popillia;
              > 2. I want to call the attention to the need for a better Ordo
              Equester;
              > 3. My work focused on the religio Romana.
              >
              >
              > 1) Most of you, Quirites, are not aware of the fact that there were
              some legal problems about the Censorial Edict discussed among your
              magistrates on their internal mailing list. The question was arisen
              by Cn. Equitius Marinus Censorius, a man most honestly attached to
              the republic and endowed with the highest qualities of honour, wisdom
              and virtue, subsequently supported by our own P. Memmius Albucius,
              the good lawyer and legal mind.
              >
              > They were arguing that the edictum censorium de adlegendis
              senatoribus violates the lex Popillia senatoria that requires the
              revision of the album senatorium to be conducted after the census has
              been done.
              >
              > Many of our finest citizens, including both of our Consules tried
              to demonstrate that the edictum did not violate the Popillian law and
              they argued that the law did not explicitly say that the revision
              could be done only immediately after the census, but it said "After
              they have declared the maximum number of senatores, the censores
              shall revise the list of senatores".
              >
              > I myself would say both interpretation can be valid if we only look
              at the text of the law.
              >
              > If, however, we see the spirit of the law, and especially if we
              remember the intention of those who wrote this law, I must say that
              this edictum, even if doesn't violate the law, it is dubious in its
              legality at least.
              >
              > If we would like to see what the intention of the legislators was,
              you have to follow the tread of discussion from the message 36580
              back in the year of the Consulship of Fr. Apulus and C. Laenas.
              >
              > The intention of the legislators was clearly to make the lectio
              senatus based on the ancient lex Ovinia as accurately as possible. It
              is mentioned even in the law. Our own brilliant A. Apollonius Cordus
              wrote a very good message about the spirit and intention of the lex
              Popillia senatoria upon the occasion of the sublection of M. Moravius
              Piscinus Horatianus. He also was sublected on a bad interpretation of
              this law:
              >
              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/46679
              >
              > If you have read Cordus' letter, you will see that the intention of
              this lex Popillia was to fix the lectio senatus immediately after the
              census so that before the next census there can't be another lectio
              senatus. Well, after the last census we had a lectio senatus, so this
              now would be not only not immediately after the census but also the
              second one.
              >
              > I believe, if you have read this letter of A. Apollonius, you will
              clearly see why I don't feel comfortable with this Senatorial
              appointment, and why I think - if I want to revive the mos maiorum
              and to respect my Romanitas, and if I'm mindful to hear the voice of
              such excellent Nova Romans like Cn. Marinus Censorius, P. Memmius and
              A. Apollonius, I mustn't accept this honour.
              >
              >
              > 2) There is, however, a personal side of my decision, too.
              >
              > I'm not that sure if there will be a possibility for me to live a
              complete Roman life other than this in Nova Roma. It's possible that
              if I want to live a Roman life, Nova Roma is and will be the only
              community, at least in the next 10 years surely. So, if I would like
              to experience the cursus honorum, I should do so that it give me a
              satisfaction perhaps for my whole life, because I don't have another
              possibility for example to be an equestrian before becoming senator.
              And I do want to experience being equestrian before entering the
              senate.
              >
              > Therefore I want the fact that I don't accept the senatorial
              appointment to be a call to our magistrates and citizenry that we
              need a real and authentic Equestrian Order.
              >
              > Equestrian Order was the top class of the Old Republic. A financial
              aristocracy. This is what we need to establish in Nova Roma, too. We
              have to abandon the current silly system that only public merchants
              are members of the Equestrian Order: citizens who are willing to
              contribute financially more should be equites as well. I'm looking
              forward to help to create this kind of top class of Nova Roma with my
              work and with my ideas, desiring to become member of this class
              before I would be appointed into those higher ranks.
              >
              >
              > 3) Besides these aforementioned reasons there is another personal
              reason of mine.
              >
              > This 10th Anniversary and Sacred Year of Concordia was full of
              appreciation for me: first, my election as Quaestor again, then my
              appointment as Sacerdos Concordiae. Then I was granted the first Nova
              Roman scholarship which would be in itself enough honour to me for
              this year. After the beautiful Nova Roman events in the summer,
              recently I have been appointed Pontifex, and within a week, and as
              the crown for my activities of this Sacred Anniversary Year, as
              Senator of Nova Roma.
              >
              > The Gods were most favourable to me this year. I feel I have to
              know where to stop. They honoured me with a Pontificate, now I'm
              tempted with becoming a Senator. The debate around the validity of
              the Censorial Edict was a sign for me, it's better to stop here, and
              to focus in the next years on the Pontificate. There is much to do
              there!...
              >
              >
              > I publicly thank again the confidence and distinction of the
              Censores that they wished me to become member of the august advisory
              body of the magistrates. There was an ancient Roman tradition to
              allow some selected young men to be present at the Senate sessions as
              observers so that they could learn how the Senate worked how to be a
              noble senator. As a compromise I would like to offer my silent
              presence in the Senate as an observer in a similar way, being not
              only a Governor of a very active province but also as a Pontifex,
              Latinist and scholar: thus, though not being a Senator myself, still
              I could give my advice in private communication to the magistrates.
              >
              >
              > Curate, ut valeatis resque publica valeat!
              >
              > Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
              > Q U A E S T O R
              > P O N T I F E X
              > SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
              > ------------------------------------------
              > Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
              > Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
              > Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
              > Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
              > Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
              > Scriba Aedilis Curulis P. Memmii Albucii
              > Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
              > Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
              > -------------------------------------------
              > Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
              > Dominus Factionis Russatae
              > Latinista, Classicus Philologus
              >
              >
              > Scopri il blog di Yahoo! Mail:
              > Trucchi, novità e scrivi la tua opinione.
              > http://www.ymailblogit.com/blog
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58142 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Ludi Octobris opened
              Aed. cur. P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.

              I had the pleasure opening our Ludi Octobris today at noon, Rome
              time, in the Campus Martius.

              The next event is Equus October races and fight tomorrow, Idus, in
              Campus Martius, Via Sacra and Regia, Suburra and Turrus Mamilius.

              Honorable Fabius Buteo will defend the honor of the Nobilitas through
              the three events. Patricians, support him and the name of Fabii !!

              Honorable Tribune Livia Plauta, along with C. Petronius Dexter, will
              oppose the Fabii and fight for the Plebs. Plebeians, gather around
              this dynamic team !!

              At stake : winning the bigae race around the Campus Martius, winning
              the head of the sacrified horse and getting it back to either the
              Turrus Mamilius (Plebs), or to the Regia (Patricians), and, last,
              bringing the horse tail into the Regia, thus defeating the other side.

              Valete omnes,


              Albucius aed.
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58143 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: About my appointment as senator
              Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Cn. Cornelio Lentulo omnibusque S.P.D.
               
                  Although I believe that Lentulus would be an excellent addition to the Senate, I can see his reasons and I respect them. Nova Roma has many excellent cives, senators, and magistrates, but we can always use more.
                  I believe that each of us should focus intently on one or two things instead of trying to do too much. "Divide and conquer" is not only a saying, it is a truth. If a person divides their energy and time too much, they will get nothing done in any of their tasks. But if they choose one or two things and put all their energy in those activities, they can go farther and more quickly. Rest is also an important aspect of a prolonged effort, which is why I am a proponent of the "year between offices" idea.
                  I also believe that, although Nova Roman law is new and many aspects seem untested, we should do our best to follow the intentions of the laws' writers. Lentulus does this here, and it shows a respect for that law. As time goes on, Nova Roma will flesh out these ideas, and future cives will have better guidance. Of course, using ancient Roman law and the ancient Roman mos maiorum as guidance is also essential. I'm curious; are there examples of men not accepting a Senate seat in Roma antiqua?

              Optime vale, et valete!

              --
              Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
              Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
              Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
              http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com


              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58144 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: About my appointment as senator
              Salve Lentule,

              You are an example of everything that is finest and best in Roman
              virtue to us all. I'll fully admit that *I* would not turn down an
              appointment to the Senate based on a questionable edict that the
              Tribunes had agreed to support. Nor would I want the other new
              senators who were appointed in the same edict as you to feel that
              their appointment is in any way tainted.

              Vale,

              CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

              "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> writes:

              [...]
              > However, after three days of thinking and considering every aspect
              > of my Senatorial appointment, I'm really sorry to say, but my
              > conclusion is that I cannot accept the place offered in the Senate
              > for both personal and social reasons.
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58145 From: C.ARM.RECCANELLVS Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: Ludi Octobris opened
              Valete,amici.
               
              I want to participate with my gladiator Nemo. But I could not find a link to send my inscription.
               
              How should I do???
               
              Vale & Valete
              C•ARM•RECCANELLVS•MAIOR
              ======================
              "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
               
              ----- Original Message -----
              Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:35 AM
              Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Octobris opened

              Aed. cur. P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.

              I had the pleasure opening our Ludi Octobris today at noon, Rome
              time, in the Campus Martius.

              The next event is Equus October races and fight tomorrow, Idus, in
              Campus Martius, Via Sacra and Regia, Suburra and Turrus Mamilius.

              Honorable Fabius Buteo will defend the honor of the Nobilitas through
              the three events. Patricians, support him and the name of Fabii !!

              Honorable Tribune Livia Plauta, along with C. Petronius Dexter, will
              oppose the Fabii and fight for the Plebs. Plebeians, gather around
              this dynamic team !!

              At stake : winning the bigae race around the Campus Martius, winning
              the head of the sacrified horse and getting it back to either the
              Turrus Mamilius (Plebs), or to the Regia (Patricians) , and, last,
              bringing the horse tail into the Regia, thus defeating the other side.

              Valete omnes,

              Albucius aed.

              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58146 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: Ludi Octobris opened
              Reccanello s.d.

              > How should I do???

              You've done it! OK, Nemo is entried in the Plebs team! Just give me
              an additional infos (short bio, and if possible age-height-weight).

              Thanks Propraetor !


              Albucius aed.


              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, C.ARM.RECCANELLVS
              <c.arminius.reccanellus@...> wrote:
              >
              > Valete,amici.
              >
              > I want to participate with my gladiator Nemo. But I could not find
              a link to send my inscription.
              >
              > How should I do???
              >
              > Vale & Valete
              > C.ARM.RECCANELLVS.MAIOR
              > ======================
              > "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Publius Memmius Albucius
              > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:35 AM
              > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Octobris opened
              >
              >
              > Aed. cur. P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.
              >
              > I had the pleasure opening our Ludi Octobris today at noon, Rome
              > time, in the Campus Martius.
              >
              > The next event is Equus October races and fight tomorrow, Idus,
              in
              > Campus Martius, Via Sacra and Regia, Suburra and Turrus Mamilius.
              >
              > Honorable Fabius Buteo will defend the honor of the Nobilitas
              through
              > the three events. Patricians, support him and the name of Fabii !!
              >
              > Honorable Tribune Livia Plauta, along with C. Petronius Dexter,
              will
              > oppose the Fabii and fight for the Plebs. Plebeians, gather
              around
              > this dynamic team !!
              >
              > At stake : winning the bigae race around the Campus Martius,
              winning
              > the head of the sacrified horse and getting it back to either the
              > Turrus Mamilius (Plebs), or to the Regia (Patricians), and, last,
              > bringing the horse tail into the Regia, thus defeating the other
              side.
              >
              > Valete omnes,
              >
              > Albucius aed.
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58147 From: Lucius Quirinus Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

              SALVETE OMNES
               
              IF NOVA ROMA were only for Pagans(people who are open to accept all Gods with NO exception) I would certainly be more active and able to convincing many other friends to join!
              Monotheists and Politheists toghether is an intrinsic contraddiction! I believe such a contraddiction was the first and most important cause of the fall of our Civilization.
               
              VALETE OMNES
               
              LVCIVS Q. VESTA
               
               

              --- Lun 13/10/08, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> ha scritto:
              Da: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
              Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
              A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              Data: Lunedì 13 ottobre 2008, 21:05

              Salve Varro,

              philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@ orange.fr> writes:

              > if i were the founder of such thing "NR", i would admit only "pagan" people,

              Good thing for Nova Roma that you weren't one of the founders. It
              would be a very different, and perhaps much smaller, organization.

              I realize you probably don't mean to come across as a bigot, but
              you're coming across as a bigot.

              Vale,

              CN-EQVIT-MARINVS


              Scopri il Blog di Yahoo! Mail: trucchi, novità, consigli... e scrivi la tua opinione!
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58148 From: Colin Brodd Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Concerning Cn. Cornelius Lentulus's statement
              Gaius Tullius Valerianus Cn. Cornelio Lentulo omnibusque S.P.D.
              Ave, Lentule! I would just like to add my voice to those who praise your decision. You set an example of honor and integrity of which the Republic can be proud. As Cn. Equitius Marinus has said, I'm not sure if I could do as you are doing if a seat in the Senate were offered to me!
               
              That having been said, I do still maintain that you would have been a great senator, and I hope that one day the offer is extended again when you are ready and when you are more certain of its legality.
               
              I cannot answer Cn Caelius Ahenobarbus' question about Roma antiqua off the top of my head, but there probably are examples. Remember that for many wealthy Romans of antiquity, choosing the Senate meant giving up business life. Certainly some philosophies discouraged participation in the Senate (notably Epicureanism). There were many reasons (more than today, I should think) why one would want to refuse a Senate seat in Roma antiqua.
               
              Cura ut valeas!
               
               
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              Legatus Regionis Insulae Rhodensis

              Ad Templum Diis Immortalibus Romae Aedificandum!

              "Qua(e) patres difficillime
              adepti sunt nolite
              turpiter relinquere" -
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              (Bradford Monument, Plymouth, MA)

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              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58149 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Salve:

              Why do you think this?  Can you give specific examples of why you think it is a contradiction, and why you believe it is the most important cause of the fall of our civilization?  Please be specific in your response.

              Vale;

              Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

              On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Lucius Quirinus <ostiaaterni@...> wrote:


              SALVETE OMNES
               
              IF NOVA ROMA were only for Pagans(people who are open to accept all Gods with NO exception) I would certainly be more active and able to convincing many other friends to join!
              Monotheists and Politheists toghether is an intrinsic contraddiction! I believe such a contraddiction was the first and most important cause of the fall of our Civilization.
               
              VALETE OMNES
               
              LVCIVS Q. VESTA




              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58150 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: About my appointment as senator
              C. Petronius Cn. Lentulo omnibusque Quiritibus s.p.d.,

              In ancient Rome, the Census was a five years gap. But in Nova Roma,
              it is not.

              That's mean the census gap in Nova Roma is one year. If we change the
              censores every year, the census is yearly. That's elementary, my dear
              Watson.

              Anno 2751: Fl. Vedius Germanicus & M. Cassius Julianus

              Anno 2752: M. Cassius Julianus & Decius Junius Palladius Invictus

              Anno 2753: Fl. Vedius Germanicus & L. Cornelius Sulla Felix

              Anno 2754: L. Corn. Sulla Felix & L. Equitius Cincinnatus

              Anno 2755: L. Equitius Cincinnatus & C. Flavius Diocletianus

              Anno 2756: C. Flavius Diocletianus & M. Octavius Germanicus

              Anno 2757: K. Fabius Buteo Modianus & M. Octavius Germanicus

              Anno 2758: K. Fabius Buteo Modianus & Gn. Equitius Marinus

              Anno 2759: Gn. Equitius Marinus & M. Octavius Germanicus

              Anno 2760: M. Octavius Gracchus & K. Fabius Buteo Modianus

              Anno 2761: K. Fabius Buteo Modianus & Ti. Galerius Paulinus

              Anno 2762: Known after polling. Candidates: C. Popilius Laenas &
              Constantinus Placidus

              If you read Tite Livy, you see that the censores were in function
              every five years. For example: Anno 174 - 173 censores: Q. Fulvius
              Flaccus & A. Postumius Albinus. No censores untill the next census
              anno 169: C. Claudius Pulcher & Ti. Sempronius Gracchus were censores.

              The censores, in ancient Rome, were in function at the last year of a
              five years gap (census), not every year like in Nova Roma. If we have
              new censores every year, we have census every year. Thence, the
              reason of Cn. Cornelius Lentulus to refuse his rank of senator
              because of the census is not well-founded, because in Nova Roma we
              have census every year as show us the yearly elections of censores.

              C. Petronius Dexter
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58151 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              L. Julia Aquila L. Quirino Vestæ Omnibusque S.P.D.

              Respectfully I add my opinion.
              I have found that most modern Pagani are runaways from monotheistic
              religions and carry the same dissatisfactions they had for their now
              disdained former religions as they do for many sects of their new
              found paganism going from coven to coven, tradition to tradition, not
              to mention how weak and ineffective some of the new age meta-magic
              traditions are.
              There is also a huge amount of intolerance and discrimination against
              monotheists amongst polytheists which is just as distasteful;
              moreover it is just as wrong. It defies logic why a Pagani would do
              the same thing to their fellow man as what has been done to them.
              That is a contradiction. Intolerance, prejudice and discrimination
              are wrong no matter what one's beliefs are, it occurs on both side
              of the fence and due in a large part to ignorance and hate. Nihil
              novi! The superior man (and woman) rises above such attitudes and
              find solutions rather than throw away what can become valuable
              resources or those valuable resources can turn on them. That
              ideology, although it is found earlier in the I Ch'ing, was as much
              a part of Rome as Religio Romani. To do otherwise could bite one in
              one's respected face as history has proved time and time again.
              Religion was just part of the politics that befell the Empire; human
              dissatisfaction, greed, intolerance and inhumanity are what
              contributed to the fall of the Empire. Look it up.
              I have close friends from all beliefs and no beliefs and we are in no
              conflict amongst us because we have respect for one another.
              Further, or one last statement, there are some eminent scholars who
              hold that the citizens of the Roman Empire referred to people outside
              of the Rome (and in some cases Greek) as ...Pagani. AgainÂ…look it up
              and in credible literature/resources.

              Vale, et Valete, di vos incolumes custodiant



              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Quirinus <ostiaaterni@...>
              wrote:
              >
              >
              > SALVETE OMNES
              >  
              > IF NOVA ROMA were only for Pagans(people who are open to accept all
              Gods with NO exception) I would certainly be more active and able
              to convincing many other friends to join!
              > Monotheists and Politheists toghether is an intrinsic
              contraddiction! I believe such a contraddiction was the first and
              most important cause of the fall of our Civilization.
              >  
              > VALETE OMNES
              >  
              > LVCIVS Q. VESTA
              >  
              >  
              >
              > --- Lun 13/10/08, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> ha scritto:
              >
              > Da: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
              > Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
              > A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > Data: Lunedì 13 ottobre 2008, 21:05
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Salve Varro,
              >
              > philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@ orange.fr> writes:
              >
              > > if i were the founder of such thing "NR", i would admit
              only "pagan" people,
              >
              > Good thing for Nova Roma that you weren't one of the founders. It
              > would be a very different, and perhaps much smaller, organization.
              >
              > I realize you probably don't mean to come across as a bigot, but
              > you're coming across as a bigot.
              >
              > Vale,
              >
              > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Scopri il blog di Yahoo! Mail:
              > Trucchi, novità e scrivi la tua opinione.
              > http://www.ymailblogit.com/blog
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58152 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus L. Juliae Aquilae salutem dicit

              Well said! 

              Vale;

              Modianus

              On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:05 PM, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote:

              L. Julia Aquila L. Quirino Vestæ Omnibusque S.P.D.

              Respectfully I add my opinion.
              I have found that most modern Pagani are runaways from monotheistic
              religions and carry the same dissatisfactions they had for their now
              disdained former religions as they do for many sects of their new
              found paganism going from coven to coven, tradition to tradition, not
              to mention how weak and ineffective some of the new age meta-magic
              traditions are.
              There is also a huge amount of intolerance and discrimination against
              monotheists amongst polytheists which is just as distasteful;
              moreover it is just as wrong. It defies logic why a Pagani would do
              the same thing to their fellow man as what has been done to them.
              That is a contradiction. Intolerance, prejudice and discrimination
              are wrong no matter what one's beliefs are, it occurs on both side
              of the fence and due in a large part to ignorance and hate. Nihil
              novi! The superior man (and woman) rises above such attitudes and
              find solutions rather than throw away what can become valuable
              resources or those valuable resources can turn on them. That
              ideology, although it is found earlier in the I Ch'ing, was as much
              a part of Rome as Religio Romani. To do otherwise could bite one in
              one's respected face as history has proved time and time again.
              Religion was just part of the politics that befell the Empire; human
              dissatisfaction, greed, intolerance and inhumanity are what
              contributed to the fall of the Empire. Look it up.
              I have close friends from all beliefs and no beliefs and we are in no
              conflict amongst us because we have respect for one another.
              Further, or one last statement, there are some eminent scholars who
              hold that the citizens of the Roman Empire referred to people outside
              of the Rome (and in some cases Greek) as ...Pagani. Again…look it up
              and in credible literature/resources.

              Vale, et Valete, di vos incolumes custodiant




              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58153 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Salve,

              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > L. Julia Aquila L. Quirino Vestæ Omnibusque S.P.D.
              >
              > Respectfully I add my opinion.
              > I have found that most modern Pagani are....

              I guess I'm one of the few pagans who doesn't conform to your
              generalization.

              I'd also like to reply to the OP and say that I do NOT believe in "all
              gods with no exception". I'm an not of the belief that all gods are
              one god, or that the gods are facets/archetypes. I'm a hard
              polytheist, and I don't believe in Kali, Pele, Brigid, etc. I believe
              in the Gods of rome and of the saxons.

              Vale

              Annia minucia Marcella
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58154 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Do you know the principle, cujus regio, ejus religi, created in the XVIth century to put some tolerance and rto espect the right of the state to choose its religion?
               
              it is only what i ask, the sate (id est NR) have the right to choose a religion (id est the RR), which ist obligatory to follow to the NR's ctizens
              if you don't agree go elsewhere where the stae religion likes to you better
               
              it is only the right of the state to determinate who are its Gods, and to worship this and this and not this, and the duty of the citizens to obey such lawas the other ones
              in Roma, the senate and the emperors had ever ruled like that and exerciced this right
               
              under Constantine "the little" came this new rule, you could be christian, not worshipping the state's Gods and be a citizen (it was for long the right of the jews because, formely they belonged to another state and people)
              but soon after the hristain God was de facto and de jure the state's God of the Roman empire, and then the Gods of the Romans were no more allowed to be worshipped!
              so i say, christians had prooved thay wanted one plae, they wanted all the place! do as we say in french if you give them a finger, they take the arm
               
              for the atheists it is more easy to see the same, because, pagans and christains can be friends against those who fight the religion in general but atheists can't have friends in the religious world and disrespect all religions
               
              Varro
               
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58155 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Salve Varro,

              philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@...> writes:

              [...]
              > so i say, christians had prooved thay wanted one plae, they wanted
              > all the place! do as we say in french if you give them a finger,
              > they take the arm

              And of course ten years of Nova Roma with christian members is no
              proof against your claim, is it?

              We have something called the Lex Salicia Poenalis. It has a section
              addressing CONTVMELIA PIETATE (Offences against Piety)

              "Whoever incites in another person hatred, despite or enmity towards a
              person or group on the basis of the religious beliefs or practices of
              that person or group, or who in any other way infringes the freedom of
              another person to hold religious beliefs or to engage in religious
              teaching, practice, worship or observance, shall make a DECLARATIO
              PVBLICA and may also be moderated"

              Consider yourself warned.

              Vale,

              CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58156 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Salvete omnes,
               
              if I do understand Varro correctly he is referring to the past of our glorious Roma Antiqua and there he is historically absolutely correct with his statement.
               
              No reason to warn and threat a citizen , Senator Marinus !
               
              Again I will defend the free speech in Nova Roma, especially if it includes historical truth.
               
              under Constantine "the little" came this new rule, you could be christian, not worshipping the state's Gods and be a citizen (it was for long the right of the jews because, formely they belonged to another state and people)but soon after the christian God was de facto and de jure the state's God of the Roman empire, and then the Gods of the Romans were no more allowed to be worshipped!
              so i say, christians had prooved thay wanted one plae, they wanted all the place! do as we say in french if you give them a finger, they take the arm
               
              Optime vale
              Titus Flavius Aquila
              Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

              ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
              Von: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
              An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              Gesendet: Dienstag, den 14. Oktober 2008, 20:43:37 Uhr
              Betreff: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

              Salve Varro,

              philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@ orange.fr> writes:

              [...]

              > so i say, christians had prooved thay wanted one plae, they wanted
              > all the place! do as we say in french if you give them a finger,
              > they take the arm

              And of course ten years of Nova Roma with christian members is no
              proof against your claim, is it?

              We have something called the Lex Salicia Poenalis. It has a section
              addressing CONTVMELIA PIETATE (Offences against Piety)

              "Whoever incites in another person hatred, despite or enmity towards a
              person or group on the basis of the religious beliefs or practices of
              that person or group, or who in any other way infringes the freedom of
              another person to hold religious beliefs or to engage in religious
              teaching, practice, worship or observance, shall make a DECLARATIO
              PVBLICA and may also be moderated"

              Consider yourself warned.

              Vale,

              CN-EQVIT-MARINVS


              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58157 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"? argue please
              Varroni s.d.

              Please do not forget bringing objective arguments or specify when you
              refer, for example, to the expansion of Christian sect then religion
              during the High and the Low Empire or to the place that our fellow
              cives, who happen to have also christian convictions, are holding
              beside us in our republic.

              N'oublie pas stp d'apporter des arguments objectifs ou de préciser si
              tu fais référence, par ex., à l'expansion de la secte puis de la
              religion chrétienne au Haut puis au Bas Empire, ou bien si tu évoques
              la place que nos concitoyens, qui ont par ailleurs des convictions
              chrétiennes, occupent à nos côtés.

              Such imprecisions can lead to misunderstandings.
              De telles imprécisions peuvent conduite à des malentendus.

              Do not forget also the usual clauses of style as "imho", etc.. It
              helps !
              N'oublie pas non plus les clauses de style habituelles comme "à mon
              humble opinion". Cela aide !
              :-)

              Vale Varro,



              P. Memmius Albucius
              scr. pr.




              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Salve Varro,
              >
              > philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@...> writes:
              >
              > [...]
              > > so i say, christians had prooved thay wanted one plae, they
              wanted
              > > all the place! do as we say in french if you give them a
              finger,
              > > they take the arm
              >
              > And of course ten years of Nova Roma with christian members is no
              > proof against your claim, is it?
              >
              > We have something called the Lex Salicia Poenalis. It has a
              section
              > addressing CONTVMELIA PIETATE (Offences against Piety)
              >
              > "Whoever incites in another person hatred, despite or enmity
              towards a
              > person or group on the basis of the religious beliefs or practices
              of
              > that person or group, or who in any other way infringes the freedom
              of
              > another person to hold religious beliefs or to engage in religious
              > teaching, practice, worship or observance, shall make a DECLARATIO
              > PVBLICA and may also be moderated"
              >
              > Consider yourself warned.
              >
              > Vale,
              >
              > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58158 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Salve,

              I disagree. Constantine used christianity as a unifying force in order
              to gain more power. If he had a different religion, I'm pretty sure he
              would've done the same to unify the people, just as charlemagne did of
              europe.

              I wouldn't blame christianity for taking over, it's just a method
              rulers use to gain power.

              Vale,

              Annia Minucia Marcella


              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila
              <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
              >
              > Salvete omnes,
              >
              > if I do understand Varro correctly he is referring to the past of
              our glorious Roma Antiqua and there he is historically absolutely
              correct with his statement.
              >
              > No reason to warn and threat a citizen , Senator Marinus !
              >
              > Again I will defend the free speech in Nova Roma, especially if it
              includes historical truth.
              >
              > under Constantine "the little" came this new rule, you could be
              christian, not worshipping the state's Gods and be a citizen (it was
              for long the right of the jews because, formely they belonged to
              another state and people)but soon after the christian God was de facto
              and de jure the state's God of the Roman empire, and then the Gods of
              the Romans were no more allowed to be worshipped!
              > so i say, christians had prooved thay wanted one plae, they wanted
              all the place! do as we say in french if you give them a finger, they
              take the arm
              >
              > Optime vale
              > Titus Flavius Aquila
              > Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma
              >
              >
              > ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
              > Von: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
              > An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 14. Oktober 2008, 20:43:37 Uhr
              > Betreff: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC
              CONTRADDICTION!
              >
              >
              > Salve Varro,
              >
              > philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@ orange.fr> writes:
              >
              > [...]
              > > so i say, christians had prooved thay wanted one plae, they wanted
              > > all the place! do as we say in french if you give them a finger,
              > > they take the arm
              >
              > And of course ten years of Nova Roma with christian members is no
              > proof against your claim, is it?
              >
              > We have something called the Lex Salicia Poenalis. It has a section
              > addressing CONTVMELIA PIETATE (Offences against Piety)
              >
              > "Whoever incites in another person hatred, despite or enmity towards a
              > person or group on the basis of the religious beliefs or practices of
              > that person or group, or who in any other way infringes the freedom of
              > another person to hold religious beliefs or to engage in religious
              > teaching, practice, worship or observance, shall make a DECLARATIO
              > PVBLICA and may also be moderated"
              >
              > Consider yourself warned.
              >
              > Vale,
              >
              > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58159 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

              Salvete omnes,

               

              I’m Christian (Roman Catholic) and don’t want to take anyone’s arm, though I would gladly take up arms for the cause of the Res Publica . . . alongside such people of honor, decency and dignitas as I have met through Nova Roma.

               

              And guess what? I don’t care if they worship one, some or all of the gods. A good human being is a good human being. All the better if that good human being loves Rome.

               

              Valete,

              Lyn

               

              PS – It took some time to clear the lump in my throat after reading the comments by Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus this morning. Imagine a politician in a modern, geography-bound country turning down a signal honor such as appointment to the Senatus for the reasons he did?

               

              That is a man!

               


              From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
              Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:44 PM
              To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

               

              Salve Varro,

              philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@ orange.fr> writes:

              [...]

              > so i say, christians had prooved thay wanted one plae, they wanted
              > all the place! do as we say in french if you give them a finger,
              > they take the arm

              And of course ten years of Nova Roma with christian members is no
              proof against your claim, is it?

              We have something called the Lex Salicia Poenalis. It has a section
              addressing CONTVMELIA PIETATE (Offences against Piety)

              "Whoever incites in another person hatred, despite or enmity towards a
              person or group on the basis of the religious beliefs or practices of
              that person or group, or who in any other way infringes the freedom of
              another person to hold religious beliefs or to engage in religious
              teaching, practice, worship or observance, shall make a DECLARATIO
              PVBLICA and may also be moderated"

              Consider yourself warned.

              Vale,

              CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

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              Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58160 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Salve,
               
              please do not forget that charlemagne unified the people by prosecuting, slaughtering thousands of Saxons who followed Widukind.
              That´s why Pagans in Germania only speak with disgust from Charlemagne.
              Constantine opened the door for the Christians and within 100 years , the Christians dominated Europe and prosecuted and forbid all other religions, especially the Religio Romana, we should never forget this.
               
              The glorious example for us should be Emperor Julian, Flavius Claudius Iulianus , whom the Christians called accordingly Apostata.
               
              Optime vale
              Titus Flavius Aquila

              ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
              Von: Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...>
              An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              Gesendet: Dienstag, den 14. Oktober 2008, 21:15:36 Uhr
              Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

              Salve,

              I disagree. Constantine used christianity as a unifying force in order
              to gain more power. If he had a different religion, I'm pretty sure he
              would've done the same to unify the people, just as charlemagne did of
              europe.

              I wouldn't blame christianity for taking over, it's just a method
              rulers use to gain power.

              Vale,

              Annia Minucia Marcella

              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Titus Flavius Aquila
              <titus.aquila@ ...> wrote:

              >
              > Salvete omnes,
              >
              > if I do understand Varro correctly he is referring to the past of
              our glorious Roma Antiqua and there he is historically absolutely
              correct with his statement.
              >
              > No reason to warn and threat a citizen , Senator Marinus !
              >
              > Again I will defend the free speech in Nova Roma,
              especially if it
              includes historical truth.
              >
              > under Constantine "the little" came this new rule, you could be
              christian, not worshipping the state's Gods and be a citizen (it was
              for long the right of the jews because, formely they belonged to
              another state and people)but soon after the christian God was de facto
              and de jure the state's God of the Roman empire, and then the Gods of
              the Romans were no more allowed to be worshipped!
              > so i say, christians had prooved thay wanted one plae, they wanted
              all the place! do as we say in french if you give them a finger, they
              take the arm
              >
              > Optime vale
              > Titus Flavius Aquila
              > Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma
              >
              >
              > ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
              > Von: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
              > An:
              ymailto="mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com">Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
              > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 14. Oktober 2008, 20:43:37 Uhr
              > Betreff: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC
              CONTRADDICTION!
              >
              >
              > Salve Varro,
              >
              > philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@ orange.fr> writes:
              >
              > [...]
              > > so i say, christians had prooved thay wanted one plae, they wanted
              > > all the place! do as we say in french if you give them a finger,
              > > they take the arm
              >
              > And of course ten years of Nova Roma with christian members is no
              > proof against your claim, is it?
              >
              > We have something called the Lex Salicia Poenalis. It has a section
              > addressing CONTVMELIA PIETATE (Offences against Piety)
              >
              > "Whoever incites in another person hatred, despite or enmity towards a
              > person or group on the basis of the
              religious beliefs or practices of
              > that person or group, or who in any other way infringes the freedom of
              > another person to hold religious beliefs or to engage in religious
              > teaching, practice, worship or observance, shall make a DECLARATIO
              > PVBLICA and may also be moderated"
              >
              > Consider yourself warned.
              >
              > Vale,
              >
              > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
              >


              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58161 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              
              i YOU CAN WELL EXCLUDE ME IF YOU WANT I WILL NOT DIE FOR THAT
               
              vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas
               
              varro
               
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58162 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Salve Varro,
               
              nobody will exclude you for speaking the historical truth.
               
              Optime vale
              Titus Flavius Aquila
              Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

              ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
              Von: philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@...>
              An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              Gesendet: Dienstag, den 14. Oktober 2008, 21:24:34 Uhr
              Betreff: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

              

              i YOU CAN WELL EXCLUDE ME IF YOU WANT I WILL NOT DIE FOR THAT
               
              vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas
               
              varro
               

              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58163 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila
              <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
              >
              > Salve,
              >
              > please do not forget that charlemagne unified the people by
              prosecuting, slaughtering thousands of Saxons who followed Widukind.

              I would never forget. Citing his example of using religion to gain
              power doesn't mean I think highly of his actions. As an anglo-saxon
              heathen, I'm pretty sure I detest Charlemagne and his actions against
              my ancestors.

              -Annia Minucia Marcella
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58164 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: Roman or "Pagan"? Intrinsic Contradiction
              The caps lock is not your friend, it is your enemy.

              -Annia Minucia Marcella


              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "philippe cardon"
              <philippe.cardon01@...> wrote:
              >
              > i YOU CAN WELL EXCLUDE ME IF YOU WANT I WILL NOT DIE FOR THAT
              >
              > vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas
              >
              > varro
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58165 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Salve Marcella,
              your position is very interesting. I would be curious to know your
              reasons for refusing to believe in one set of gods rather than in another.
              Personally if I went to India I would find it prudent to believe in
              Kali, Brahma, Shiva, etc. (and worship them), or in Japan I would
              honour the kami.
              I also don't believe that all gods are one god of facets of the same.

              I think that the different gods worshipped around the world might or
              might not (or might partly) be the same set of gods under different
              names, but the answer to this question is irrelevant to me.

              That's because either they are the same gods (then it doesn't make
              sense to believe in one set and not the other) worshipped in different
              ways in different places. In this case conforming to the local uses
              when worshipping them is a sign of respect for the local people.

              Or if they're not the same gods that means that different gods have
              different geographical spheres of influence, so it would make sense to
              worship the local gods when travelling.

              As for me, I live in the historical sphere of influence of the roman
              gods, so I can limit myself to them, but I accept the traditional
              equivalences between roman, greek, punic, and celtic deities, which
              doesn't mean that I refuse to believe in gods from other traditions,
              though.

              Vale,
              Livia


              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Salve,
              >
              > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > L. Julia Aquila L. Quirino Vestæ Omnibusque S.P.D.
              > >
              > > Respectfully I add my opinion.
              > > I have found that most modern Pagani are....
              >
              > I guess I'm one of the few pagans who doesn't conform to your
              > generalization.
              >
              > I'd also like to reply to the OP and say that I do NOT believe in "all
              > gods with no exception". I'm an not of the belief that all gods are
              > one god, or that the gods are facets/archetypes. I'm a hard
              > polytheist, and I don't believe in Kali, Pele, Brigid, etc. I believe
              > in the Gods of rome and of the saxons.
              >
              > Vale
              >
              > Annia minucia Marcella
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58166 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Census + lustrum
              C. Petronius Quiritibus s.p.d.,
               
              As I said in a message, in Nova Roma we had a couple of censores every year. Thence the lex Popilia Senatoria, in which I read : "B. This number shall be the maximum number of senatores until the number is revised by the censores after the following census." does want it to mean than a census is done every year?
               
              In the law I nowhere read that the census is a five years gap, like it was in ancient Rome. Perhaps we can suppose the census in this law is the copy of the ancient census in Rome, and it is done every 5 years.
               
              Then my question is: when the last lustrum was done? Which censores have accomplished the last lustrum? To have an obvious five years gap. Because with yearly both censores, I can not know which are the lustrum years.
               
              Valete.
               
              C. Petronius Dexter
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58167 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: Census + lustrum
              Salve Dexter,

              Our censors conduct a census every two years. Our last census was
              conducted last year (2007 CE). No census has been conducted this year.

              As far as I know, no Nova Roman censors have ever conducted a formal
              Lustrum. In order for Nova Roman censors to do so the Collegium
              Pontificum would have to establish an appropriate ceremonia for the
              Lustrum. Currently no such ceremonia exists.

              Vale,

              CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

              Gaius Petronius Dexter <jfarnoud94@...> writes:

              > C. Petronius Quiritibus s.p.d.,
              >
              > As I said in a message, in Nova Roma we had a couple of censores
              > every year. Thence the lex Popilia Senatoria, in which I read : "B.
              > This number shall be the maximum number of senatores until the
              > number is revised by the censores after the following census." does
              > want it to mean than a census is done every year?
              >
              > In the law I nowhere read that the census is a five years gap, like
              > it was in ancient Rome. Perhaps we can suppose the census in this
              > law is the copy of the ancient census in Rome, and it is done every
              > 5 years.
              >
              > Then my question is: when the last lustrum was done? Which censores
              > have accomplished the last lustrum? To have an obvious five years
              > gap. Because with yearly both censores, I can not know which are the
              > lustrum years.
              >
              > Valete.
              >
              > C. Petronius Dexter
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58168 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Salve,

              My reason is simple. It is not my way, they are not my gods. It
              doesn't matter where I am in the world, I will follow the ways of my
              ancestors and honor the gods of my ancestors. I have no reason to
              worship a foreign deity. I don't go by geographical location, I go by
              ancestral ties and my own UPG.

              I wouldn't actively disrespect another's god, but I would never
              worship them. Personally I find it disrespectful to invoke a deity
              outside of their respective culture and traditions.

              I do not believe that other gods are non-existent or false, I just
              don't follow them. My beliefs do not include them.

              Vale,

              Annia Minucia Marcella

              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
              >
              > Salve Marcella,
              > your position is very interesting. I would be curious to know your
              > reasons for refusing to believe in one set of gods rather than in
              another.
              > Personally if I went to India I would find it prudent to believe in
              > Kali, Brahma, Shiva, etc. (and worship them), or in Japan I would
              > honour the kami.
              > I also don't believe that all gods are one god of facets of the same.
              >
              > I think that the different gods worshipped around the world might or
              > might not (or might partly) be the same set of gods under different
              > names, but the answer to this question is irrelevant to me.
              >
              > That's because either they are the same gods (then it doesn't make
              > sense to believe in one set and not the other) worshipped in different
              > ways in different places. In this case conforming to the local uses
              > when worshipping them is a sign of respect for the local people.
              >
              > Or if they're not the same gods that means that different gods have
              > different geographical spheres of influence, so it would make sense to
              > worship the local gods when travelling.
              >
              > As for me, I live in the historical sphere of influence of the roman
              > gods, so I can limit myself to them, but I accept the traditional
              > equivalences between roman, greek, punic, and celtic deities, which
              > doesn't mean that I refuse to believe in gods from other traditions,
              > though.
              >
              > Vale,
              > Livia
              >
              >
              > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > Salve,
              > >
              > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@>
              > > wrote:
              > > >
              > > > L. Julia Aquila L. Quirino Vestæ Omnibusque S.P.D.
              > > >
              > > > Respectfully I add my opinion.
              > > > I have found that most modern Pagani are....
              > >
              > > I guess I'm one of the few pagans who doesn't conform to your
              > > generalization.
              > >
              > > I'd also like to reply to the OP and say that I do NOT believe in "all
              > > gods with no exception". I'm an not of the belief that all gods are
              > > one god, or that the gods are facets/archetypes. I'm a hard
              > > polytheist, and I don't believe in Kali, Pele, Brigid, etc. I believe
              > > in the Gods of rome and of the saxons.
              > >
              > > Vale
              > >
              > > Annia minucia Marcella
              > >
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58169 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: SECOND CALL FOR CANDIDATES for plebeian offices
              L. Livia Plauta, Tribuna Plebis, omnibus civibus Novae Romae SPD


              A call for CANDIDATES is hereby issued for the offices of TRIBUNI
              PLEBIS DESIGNATI and AEDILES PLEBIS DESIGNATI. Those Designati for
              Plebeian offices who are accepted by the Comitia Plebis Tributa by
              passage of a further plebiscitum de consecratio will then have their
              terms of office begin AUC 2761 a. d. IV Idus Dec. (10 Dec 2008). Any
              and all qualified Plebeian Citizens who desire to hold these offices
              in the coming months shall:

              (1) declare their candidacy to the current Tribuni Plebis

              and

              (2) announce their intentions to run for office before the Comitia
              Plebis Tributa (ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com).

              Announcements of candidacy for these offices that are made to any
              other Nova Roma lists are allowed but will not meet the requirements
              needed to be recognized as a candidate. You must post your
              announcement to the Comitia Plebis Tributa.

              Eligibility:

              TRIBUNUS PLEBIS - (3 positions available) Candidates must be Cives,
              in good standing, for at least six full months before taking office,
              of the Plebeian Order, Assidui, and at least 25 years of age by AUC
              2761 a. d. IV Idus Dec (10 Dec 2008).

              AEDILIS PLEBIS - (2 positions available) Candidates must be Cives,
              in good standing, for at least six full months before taking office
              on AUC 2761 a. d. IV Idus Dec (10 Dec 2008). They must be of the
              Plebeian Order, Assidui, and at least 21 years of age by AUC 2761 a.
              d. IV Idus Dec (10 Dec 2008).
              Candidates for Aedilis Plebis must also have served at least six
              months as a Tribunus Plebis, Quaestors, Magister Aranearius, Editor
              Commentariorum, or Propraetor, or the candidate must demonstrate
              that he or she has served as a scriba to one of the current Aediles
              Plebis for at least six months.

              Time limits for declaring candidacies:

              Announcements of candidacy before the Comitia Plebis Tributa and
              Declarations of candidacy to the Tribuni Plebis must be received no
              later than 23.59 CET 31 Oct (before Midnight at Rome, 6:00 PM EDT,
              or 3:00 PM PDT)AUC MMDCCLXI.


              L. Livia Plauta
              Tribuna Plebis
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58170 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Informal call for plebeian candidates
              L. Livia Plauta omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.

              While there are two candidates already for Tribuni Plebis, there are 3
              positions still open.
              I exort everybody who possesses the requisites to apply, because the
              tribunate is a very interesting job.
              As a tribune one has access to the Senate mailing list, and can thus
              gain insight on the workings of our Res Publica. True, tribunes must
              make senate reports, but this is a workload which is not so heavy if
              divided among five people (while it could be a problem if there are
              only two tribunes).
              Tribunes have the power of intercessio, which means that they can veto
              any edict, by any magistrate, or any law, that violates the
              constitution or another law, exercising thus an important function of
              control.
              Tribunes can also propose laws, and convene the Comitia Plebis Tributa
              to approve them.
              You don't need be afraid if you are inexperienced, because one of the
              current candidates, C. Vipsanius Agrippa, has already been a tribune,
              so he can help you with his experience.

              Both positions for Aedilis Plebis are still open.
              If nobody among the former tribuni plebis, or among the people who
              have been aedilician scribes will apply we will be in big trouble next
              year when there will be nobody to organize the Ludi Ceriales in March
              and the Ludi Plebei in November.
              Please, plebeians, try to defend the honour of your order!

              Valete,
              Livia
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58171 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Salvete Omnes!

              Varro said:
              "it is only the right of the state to determinate who are its Gods,
              and to worship this and this and not this, and the duty of the
              citizens to obey such lawas the other ones
              in Roma, the senate and the emperors had ever ruled like that and
              exerciced this right
              under Constantine "the little" came this new rule, you could be
              christian, not worshipping the state's Gods and be a citizen (it was
              for long the right of the jews because, formely they belonged to
              another state and people)
              but soon after the hristain God was de facto and de jure the state's
              God of the Roman empire, and then the Gods of the Romans were no more
              allowed to be worshipped!"

              LJA:
              And this makes such a law right? It seems Varo has disproved his
              suggestion for such a law in some convoluted way. Constantine was a
              very shrewd politician and like many other shrewd politicians,
              Yahwists or not, they know Religion, Paganii or otherwise is a
              political construct. Further it was the Paganii lack of cohesive
              beliefs that divided them, weakening them, in the first place. Romans
              were at their best when they were progressive and if we do not
              utilize the sound logic and progressive thought them "we are doomed
              to repeat history", rather than learn from it and advance our
              civilization bring the many wonderful aspects forward rather than
              beating an unsavory rooting equine corpse.
              I will add some more information about Constantine that is a bone of
              contention amongst Scholars, particularly Christian scholars and
              theologians of the Roman Universalist Church, and secular scholars
              that contend that the story of Constantine being converted on his
              death bed is more Christian lore and there is evidence to support
              that he was a so-called Pagan to the day he died. Look it up. I will
              add to that and tell you that so much of our history contains
              Christian bias and so we are fortunate today to have historians,
              classicists, educators, translators and archaeologists who everyday
              are piecing our past together in objective, unbiased and truthful
              ways. One prime example is the work done by today's Latinists who
              strive for authentic translations of Latin texts according to the
              era, region and dialect in which they were written. There is no size
              fits all and this is changing many of the texts' contents that were
              translated in the centuries after Rome fell up to some of those that
              were translated in the 20th century. Some of the texts during this
              period were abysmal but they still remained on the library shelves,
              some do to this day without even a preamble as to their inaccuracy.
              Saturninus provides excellent free education through Academia Thules
              and it is there for the asking; a valuable resource in my estimation
              that would benefit quite a few citizens.

              I understand the passion of some of our citizens and it is good,
              however, disrespect, blatant discrimination, bigotry and harsh
              language with racist, yes racist, undertones may keep others from
              listening which is the opposite reaction desired in a discussion on
              this board where cooler heads will prevail. We all, as citizens, must
              remember that we are ultimately responsible for the consequence of
              our actions, or in this case our words. We must all be careful not to
              infringe on another's rights.

              I have personally learned a lot regarding ritual along side Rabbis
              and Roman Catholic priests, both of which have very non-Yahwist roots
              even though they refuse to admit it. ;) I also have never had a bad
              experience with any of them although a few discussions have ended in
              a stalemate. *laughs* For those who may not know this the Semitic
              people came from the Eastern Mediterranean and the Hebrews came from
              this group, however before they developed their Yahwist beliefs they
              had believed in such concepts as the "sky god" and "the great
              mother" just as their neighboring tribes and those of northern
              Africa (Egypt) did. Hints of this can be easily found in the Old
              Testament where the early books depict the transition to Yahwists is
              many cases. It was because of this common heritage that when they
              were held captive in Babylonia they assimilated some of the "old
              religion" or non-Yahwist traditions once again much to the chagrin
              of the Hebrew Elders. Anyone who seriously studies authentic Hebrew
              meta-magic traditions will come to recognize these aspects. So one
              might say that they recognized how efficacious a tool religion was
              especially in forming laws that were enforced through the fear of
              Hashem (Yahweh).

              It would also be wise to do a little research in the origins of
              Religio Roma's deities because while some have origins in the
              peoples of the Italian peninsula, and some have similarities to those
              of the Greek deities it is not that simple as having interchangeable
              Greek and Roman names as one commonly finds on the net posted by
              independent amateurs. Often I see posted good research done on
              various aspects of Nova Roma, on this list and on Religio Romana; it
              simply takes a little reading. Once one thinks they know all there is
              to know they are often left standing out in the cold and so it is
              wise to incorporate a personal philosophy of continual education at
              least through independent research with credible sources. As with
              many other traditions, religions and philosophies are synchretic over
              time, meaning they have taken on qualities of other cultures that
              have come to settle in the Republic (or other countries.) This is
              very evident in the Mithras Cult which was embraced by the Imperium
              and is of Persian and also of Vedic origin, so perhaps, Kali is
              synchretic somewhere within the Empire. ;- ) No freebies this time,
              look it up for your self. In some Hindu beliefs, according to
              different denominations and sub-denominations, Kali is a form of
              Durga or even Parvati and has many aspects not just fearsome image
              that has permeated pop religion. Hindu's also consider themselves
              monotheistic, as do some Buddhists (who are considered a philosophy
              rather than a religion btw), because their deities are aspects of one
              god, essentially creating a complicated system in an attempt to make
              it simple so that humans can at least have a tentative grasp on what
              is beyond them. Look it upÂ… offline, may take a little time but the
              benefits are worth it ;) Please do not rely on Wikipedia either, the
              articles are only as good as their sources and some of the sources
              are dubious at best. Hinduism is one of the greatest examples of
              syncretism; it is a model of syncretism. Buddhism uses the
              term "god" but the concept is unlike any other religion. Go to the
              nearest Sangha and talk to a monk or Rinpoche.
              Even back in the days of the Republic being a polytheistic purist
              (i.e. "hard") may not have been so pure and technically being a
              polytheistic purist (or "hard polytheist") would infer that one
              reveres one religious system or tradition, not two. I am not saying
              this is wrong; I have no judgment either way as each person has the
              inherent human right to have own personal beliefs and above all else
              these should be respectedÂ… as long as they do not try imposing that
              belief on others. While there again is evidence of a touch of Nordic
              syncretism esp. brought through the Roman occupation of Great Britain
              (where Bridgid "resides" and who is even synchretic in Haitian
              Vodou) it was Roman syncretism that was more prevalent in Great
              Britain (Romans didn't like the Druids) and Nordic areas such as
              Scandinavia (Late Empire). This does not mean that that the local
              gods were wholly identified with the Roman pantheon because the
              analogies were quite often too remote to even be perceptible to the
              untrained eye. For example a Celtic god with the name Janus does not
              necessarily mean that this was the same deity, just that the deity
              had assimilated the name.
              I made no "generalizations" on my statement regarding modern Pagan
              runaways. In the past two years I have been in face to face contact
              with approximately 2500 Paganii and/or those of non-Yahwist beliefs
              in the predominately Baptist southern town where I am currently
              residing. For this town that is a large slice of the Paganii pie. I
              could do an actual statistic study but I will leave that to the
              sociological statisticians. My main goal is to educate in the hope
              that this will strengthen and enrich each person's personal belief
              and philosophy.

              With great respect for each and everyone.

              Curate ut valeatis, omnes!

              P.S. Nova Roma is clear about this issue:
              http://novaroma.org/nr/FAQ
              "Do I have to practice Roman religion to join?
              Absolutely not. We have absolutely no interest in the private
              religious lives of any of our citizens. All that's required is a love
              of all things Roman. Although most of our citizens are currently
              Polytheists of one ilk or another and the public "State" religion of
              Nova Roma is the Religio Romana, we do not require ordinary citizens
              to practice Roman Polytheism. Magistrates, because they are not only
              civil servants but also have functions within the Religio Romana,
              must at least be willing to fulfill those religious functions."

              Nova Roma is also clear about "RELIGIO ROMANA BLASPHEMY DECRETUM"
              found at this link:
              http://novaroma.org/nr/Decretum_Pontificum_about_the_crime_of_blasphem
              y_%28Nova_Roma%29
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58172 From: James V Hooper Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: Informal call for plebeian candidates
              Salve. If I may I would like to stand as a candidate for tribune of plebes. If
              this is the wrong place to declare, please guide me to the poroper location.
              Val,
              Gaius Pompeius Marcellus


              On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:27:24 -0000
              "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
              > L. Livia Plauta omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.
              >
              > While there are two candidates already for Tribuni Plebis, there are 3
              > positions still open.
              > I exort everybody who possesses the requisites to apply, because the
              > tribunate is a very interesting job.
              > As a tribune one has access to the Senate mailing list, and can thus
              > gain insight on the workings of our Res Publica. True, tribunes must
              > make senate reports, but this is a workload which is not so heavy if
              > divided among five people (while it could be a problem if there are
              > only two tribunes).
              > Tribunes have the power of intercessio, which means that they can veto
              > any edict, by any magistrate, or any law, that violates the
              > constitution or another law, exercising thus an important function of
              > control.
              > Tribunes can also propose laws, and convene the Comitia Plebis Tributa
              > to approve them.
              > You don't need be afraid if you are inexperienced, because one of the
              > current candidates, C. Vipsanius Agrippa, has already been a tribune,
              > so he can help you with his experience.
              >
              > Both positions for Aedilis Plebis are still open.
              > If nobody among the former tribuni plebis, or among the people who
              > have been aedilician scribes will apply we will be in big trouble next
              > year when there will be nobody to organize the Ludi Ceriales in March
              > and the Ludi Plebei in November.
              > Please, plebeians, try to defend the honour of your order!
              >
              > Valete,
              > Livia
              >

              BB,
              Warrior
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58174 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-14
              Subject: Re: Informal call for plebeian candidates
              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "James V Hooper" <warrior44_us@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Salve. If I may I would like to stand as a candidate for tribune of
              plebes. If
              > this is the wrong place to declare, please guide me to the poroper
              location.
              > Val,
              > Gaius Pompeius Marcellus
              >
              >

              Agricola Marcello S.P.D.

              A good place to get election info is on the election page. It is
              linked from our main page, but this is the direct link:

              http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Election_MMDCCLXI_(Nova_Roma)

              optime vale!
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58175 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 15, 2008.
              C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,
               
              Today in Rome :
               
              (Julian day : 2 454 755).
               
              Idibus Octobribus.
              MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
              Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio
               
              Day of the week : Mercurii dies (Wednesday).
               
              Lunaris dies: XVII .
              Nundinal letter : H.
              (Market Day).
               
              Hora ortus Solis : 07:23.
              Hora occasus Solis : 18h28.
              Temp. Min. : 12° C.
              Temp. Max. : 23° C.
              Wind on Rome : 14 Km/h.
              Weather : Sun.
               
              Horae diei :
               
              I: 07:23 - 08:09 Saturni hora.
              II: 08:09 - 08:55 Iovis hora.
              III: 08:55 - 09:41 Martis hora.
              IV: 09:41 - 10:27 Solis hora.
              V: 10:27 - 11:13 Veneris hora.
              VI: 11:13 - 12:00 Mercurii hora.
              VII: 12:00 - 13:04 Lunae hora.
              VIII: 13:04 - 14:09 Saturni hora.
              IX: 14:09 - 15:14 Iovis hora.
              X: 15:14 - 16:19 Martis hora.
              XI: 16:19 - 17:23 Solis hora.
              XII: 17:23 - 18:28 Veneris hora.
               
              Horae noctis :
               
              I: 18:28 - 19:23 Mercurii hora.
              II: 19:23 - 20:19 Lunae hora.
              III: 20:19 - 21:14 Saturni hora.
              IV: 21:14 - 22:10 Iovis hora.
              V: 22:10 - 23:05 Martis hora.
              VI: 23:05 - 00:00 Solis hora.
              VII: 00:00 - 01:14 Veneris hora.
              VIII: 01:14 - 02:28 Mercurii hora.
              IX: 02:28 - 03:42 Lunae hora.
              X: 03:42 - 04:56 Saturni hora.
              XI: 04:56 - 06:10 Iovis hora.
              XII: 06:10 - 07:24 Martis hora.
               
               
              Valete.
               
              C. Petronius Dexter.
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58176 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Maior Albucio Varroni Marinoque spd;

              Everyone do please try to understand that Varro comes from
              France which has a long hard-won history of secularism, unlike the
              U.S. Please try to understand our different cultural histories.
              The early american colonies began with religious freedeom: There
              were deists, Catholics, puritans, Jews in the various colonies...

              In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
              achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)

              Now as for the gods, I tend to take an atomist view, meaning I
              believe we're all made of energy, humans, trees, gods etc...just as
              there are myriads of humans, so there are myriads of gods.

              Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
              Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
              polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
              zoroastrianism and all their gods.

              so there are gods, philosophy, and history. It's a fine
              conversation, and we don't need to bandy words like 'bigot' 'racist'
              or 'hate' around. I've experienced it and it's not here. We're
              adults and like good Romans can have a robust discussion. True
              Romans prized free speech.
              bene vale in sapientiam deae Mentis
              M. Hortensia Maior
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58177 From: Daniel M Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
              I have a saying for me:
              I honor and Respect the Gods Above me
              The Gods around me
              and the Gods Below me.

              Now saying that does not mean that I worship all of the-Nien.
              I am not open to the secrets of the divine, so I will not debate on
              which God or Goddess is real or unreal, or just a facet.
              It matters not, Just Show Some Respect to the Gods, and with that
              respect those who believe in those Gods.

              Do I believe that Christianity helped destroy the Roman Empire? Yes
              Because of that will I approve barring Chrsitian/Athesist/Muslims from
              NOVA ROMA? NO!!!!

              Roma respected all the Gods, so should we. I say we go a step further
              then what the Romans did (They were not perfect) Let us open up
              Priesthood in the Religio to the other faiths-Judaism and Buddhism are
              as old if not older then Rome. There were Christians and Muslims
              (rather the later in Byzantine times but they saw themselves as Roman)
              in the Empire, so let us accept.



              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Avv. Claudio Guzzo"
              <claudio.guzzo@...> wrote:
              >
              > Salve.
              > In a message
              > Posted by: "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" gaiuspopillius@...
              > gaiuspopilliuslaenas
              > Thu Oct 9, 2008 9:34 am
              > you can see that Varro wrote:
              > "(even the romans have no religion but it is another question, speak
              > for the vulgum pecus here lol) - omissis -
              > it is very impotant for me i will never vote for a not 100% pagan
              > (lol again)"
              > It looks like the "vulgum pecus" wanted a trial against me (lol),
              but it is
              > another "pagan" question: Varro knows (lol again)...
              > Vale
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58178 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Informal call for plebeian candidates
              Salve Gaius Pompeius Marcellus,
               
              thank you for your willingness for standing as a candidate. You would need to contact the tribuni plebi and annouce
               
              As I can see you are a citizen since 2005, of plebeian order and assidui, you would be qualified for standing as candidate.
              Now you only need to declare officially your candidacy as advised above.
               
               
              Optime vale
              Titus Flavius Aquila
              Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

              ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
              Von: James V Hooper <warrior44_us@...>
              An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 15. Oktober 2008, 02:52:05 Uhr
              Betreff: Re: [Nova-Roma] Informal call for plebeian candidates

              Salve. If I may I would like to stand as a candidate for tribune of plebes. If
              this is the wrong place to declare, please guide me to the poroper location.
              Val,
              Gaius Pompeius Marcellus

              On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:27:24 -0000
              "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@freemail. hu> wrote:

              > L. Livia Plauta omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.
              >
              > While there are two candidates already for Tribuni Plebis, there are 3
              > positions still open.
              > I exort everybody who possesses the requisites to apply, because the
              > tribunate is a very interesting job.
              > As a tribune one has access to the Senate mailing list, and can thus
              > gain insight on the workings of our Res Publica. True, tribunes must
              > make senate reports, but this is a workload which is not so heavy if
              > divided among five people (while it
              could be a problem if there are
              > only two tribunes).
              > Tribunes have the power of intercessio, which means that they can veto
              > any edict, by any magistrate, or any law, that violates the
              > constitution or another law, exercising thus an important function of
              > control.
              > Tribunes can also propose laws, and convene the Comitia Plebis Tributa
              > to approve them.
              > You don't need be afraid if you are inexperienced, because one of the
              > current candidates, C. Vipsanius Agrippa, has already been a tribune,
              > so he can help you with his experience.
              >
              > Both positions for Aedilis Plebis are still open.
              > If nobody among the former tribuni plebis, or among the people who
              > have been aedilician scribes will apply we will be in big trouble next
              > year when there will be nobody to organize the Ludi Ceriales in March
              > and the Ludi Plebei in November.
              > Please,
              plebeians, try to defend the honour of your order!
              >
              > Valete,
              > Livia
              >

              BB,
              Warrior


              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58179 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: EIDUS OCTOBRIS: The October Horse
              M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
              omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:

              Hodie est Eidus Octobris; haec dies nefastus piaculum est: Equus ad
              nixas fit; vendemia Acerusae.

              AUC 683 / 70 BCE: Birth of P. Vergilius Maro.


              The October Horse

              "Come, warlike Mars; lay down Thy shield and spear for a brief time,
              and from Thy helmet loose Thy glistering locks." ~ Ovid Fasti 3.1-2

              Two-horse chariot races were held on the Ides of October in honor of
              Mars. The inner horse of the winning team became the "October Horse."
              Upon the Campus Martius he was sacrificed by thrusting the sacred
              spear of Mars into his heart. His blood was collected and it is
              believed that it was mixed by the Vestales Virgines with the ashes of
              the unborn calf that was sacrificed at the Fordicidia in April and
              distributed as februa to the people for Parilia (21 April). His tail
              was cut off with a morsel of flesh as an offa penita and rushed to
              the Regia where the blood was allowed to drip slowly into the sacred
              hearth. The horse's head was cut off and decked with cakes and
              ribbons in the same manner as draught animals at Vestalia, Consualia,
              and the feriae Sementivae. Paulus mentions that these cakes came from
              the recent harvest. The decorated horse head then became a trophy
              contested over by men from the neighborhoods of the Via Sacra and the
              Subura. If the team from the Via Sacra were able to carry off the
              horse, then his head was affixed to the Regia. If instead the men
              from Subura carry it away, the head was affixed on the turris Mamilia
              as a fetish to ensure fertility and virility in the coming year.
              (Fasti Philocalus; Festus 178; Paulus 220; Plutarch Ques. Rom. 97;
              Polybius 12.4).

              This festival brings us back to the Italic origin of the religio
              Romana and to a more ancient aspect of Mars as a God of agriculture,
              fertility, and virility. The sacrifice of the October Horse came with
              the rise of the Suculae (Hyades) that marked the beginning of the
              rainy season, and also at a time of roughly between the second and
              third plowings of the fields. It was a time when Diove Pluvius
              fertilized the fields by raining His waters upon the Terra Mater.
              Mars, as His prodigy, contains the essence of His fertility and
              virility. We should dismiss the common image of a chariot here. The
              drivers probably stood precariously upon a set of wheels and lay on
              the tongue of what was a plow with the blade removed. The same sort
              of vehicle and the same chariot races are found to this day in
              festivals of southern India. We should recall, too, that chariots
              were never used as a vehicle of war in Italy. They are really only
              found as a ceremonial vehicles. In the Roman triumph the chariot
              associated with Jupiter was decorated with boughs of laurel, phalli,
              whips, and bells, all these being emblems of virility and fertility.
              In the time of Camillus, the triumphal general was painted red with
              cinnabar; a practice that was soon after discontinued. The red
              symbolized virility and fertility, just as in the way that phalli of
              Faunus were so painted and kept as charms at Roman houses. The other
              place where chariots appear are in races held to entertain the Gods.
              Their origin, though, comes from agricultural rites of men and women
              chasing after the Corn-Spirit to ensure the fertility of the fields
              for the coming year. In this particular case we have to consider that
              the Campus Martius was originally terra Regis, land cultivated by the
              people for the king. This was a community effort, and a community
              festival to begin the work. The steeds represented the seminal seed
              of Diove. The numen that had been invoked into them was that of Mars,
              who was the seminal seed of Diove. And as He is, Mars is seen
              impregnating Rhea Silvia, who is another form of the Earth Mother.
              Racing in a circuit around the king's fields brought a blessing of
              Mars, protecting the land and all that grew within it, in the same
              manner as a lustratio and an ambularia. In sacrificing the horse the
              Romans gave back to Mars what was His, this being His numen, and
              indirectly, too, returned to Diove what is His. It is through this
              ritual race and horse sacrifice that the field came to be dedicated
              to Mars upon the expulsion of the kings. It is not difficult to see
              how the ritual evolved into one that invoked Mars to safe-guard the
              fields of all Romans through the circumambulation of the Campus
              Martius representing a course around the larger ager publica. It was
              not until later in the Middle Republic that leaven bread was
              introduced and the agricultural cycle had transformed over to summer
              wheat and viticulture. The religious calendar, however, still
              reflected the earlier agriculture cycle where the October Horse came
              at the Full Moon that signaled plowing the fields one last time prior
              to sowing the fields, beginning with the New Moon on the Kalends of
              November at the setting of Arcturus (Pliny H. N. 18.74).

              "If the vetch and common kidney bean you would sow, nor scorn to make
              your Egyptian lentils grow, setting Bootes will send you no doubtful
              sign. Begin, and carry on your sowing to midwinter's frost." ~
              Vergilius, Georgic 1.227-232

              For more on the interpretation of the October Horse ritual, see W. W.
              Fowler, "The Roman Festivals of the Period of the Republic," 1899; H.
              H. Scullard, "Festivals and Ceremonies of the Roman Republic," 1981;
              J. G. Frazer, "The Golden Bough," 1922; A. Cotterell, "Chariot," 2004.


              Vindemia

              Today was also the Wine Harvest festival held at Lake Acherusia, the
              Capua Vindemia being comparable with Meditrinalia earlier on the
              Roman calendar.


              AUC 522 / 231 BCE: The first divorce in Rome

              "From the Founding of the City down to its five hundred and twentieth
              year there was not a case of divorce between man and wife. Sp.
              Carvilius was the first to put away his wife citing barrenness as the
              cause. Although he was thought to have a tolerable reason for doing
              so, he did not escape criticism, because they considered that even a
              desire for children ought not to have been place ahead of conjugal
              loyalty.

              "So that a married lady's honor might be the safer with the
              protection of respect, they did not allow the person of such to be
              touched by one summoning her to court. The matron's robe must not be
              defiled by the contact of an alien hand." ~ Valerius Maximus 2.1.4-5a


              Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 12.28:

              "To those who ask, `Where have you seen the Gods? What conviction to
              Their existence leads you to this worship of the Gods?' I reply first
              that They are in fact visible to our eyes. Secondly, and
              notwithstanding, that I have not seen my own soul either, and yet I
              honour it. So it is with the Gods, too: from my every experience of
              Their power time after time I am certain that They exist, and I
              revere Them."
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58180 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Napoleon
              Salve Maior

              "In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
              achieved �galit�. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)"

              Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen in "Spartacus" , or
              any other
              �sword and sandals� movie I can understand. But rooting for the first
              modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.

              Vale

              Tiberius Galerius Paulinus





              >From: "Maior" <rory12001@...>
              >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000
              >
              >Maior Albucio Varroni Marinoque spd;
              >
              >Everyone do please try to understand that Varro comes from
              >France which has a long hard-won history of secularism, unlike the
              >U.S. Please try to understand our different cultural histories.
              >The early american colonies began with religious freedeom: There
              >were deists, Catholics, puritans, Jews in the various colonies...
              >
              >In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
              >achieved �galit�. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)
              >
              >Now as for the gods, I tend to take an atomist view, meaning I
              >believe we're all made of energy, humans, trees, gods etc...just as
              >there are myriads of humans, so there are myriads of gods.
              >
              >Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
              >Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
              >polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
              >zoroastrianism and all their gods.
              >
              >so there are gods, philosophy, and history. It's a fine
              >conversation, and we don't need to bandy words like 'bigot' 'racist'
              >or 'hate' around. I've experienced it and it's not here. We're
              >adults and like good Romans can have a robust discussion. True
              >Romans prized free speech.
              >bene vale in sapientiam deae Mentis
              >M. Hortensia Maior
              >
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58181 From: From Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Napoleon
              On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:49:46 -0400, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
              wrote:
              > Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen in "Spartacus",
              > or any other 'sword and sandals' movie I can understand. But rooting for
              > the first modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.

              Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline.

              Similar to Caesar in many ways, Napoleon differs from most "modern"
              dictators in that he was, actually and lawfully, elected to whatever power
              he held. Unlike those against whom he fought, all of which were royalty by
              birth.

              Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
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              Subject: To all in the Far East, 10/15/2008, 12:00 pm
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              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58183 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
              Maiori sen. Paulino Cens. s.d.

              Thanks to you Maior underlining a difference which is not always
              understood, as it should imho, on both sides of our common ocean.

              It is thus a bit odd, for Galli, to read in our fora (very honorable)
              people putting forward their belief or their cult, saying for
              ex. :"I'm X, and I think that" or "Though I'm Y, I consider that".

              In sweet Gallia, at least for people who "live" Rome, this is
              considered as... how could I say that... not really off topic but
              rather smthg "beside". Because, and I'm currently thinking now to
              some of Galli, our Fora are seen as public places where we should
              consider as granted what we share all (for ex. RR), and leave our
              additional beliefs, cults or religions 'at home'.
              Naturally, scholar discussions could evoke such matters, but we know
              well that such debates are not easy for some of us, particularly
              refrained by language difficulties.

              This is for instance why, personally as governor Galliae, I put much
              importance in answering questions or providing informations on RR and
              its relation with other cults, or reminding the central place of our
              RR in the state and in the republic, but do not enter the private
              sphere. The most important thing is that we share the main thing :
              the respect of our common values.

              Pauline, I think that you might have opened a hot discussion with
              Napoleon, for I know a few of us, fine Napoleonian amateurs, who
              share their love for Rome and Napoleonic passion ! ;-)

              On Spartacus and the legions, I have just re-watched Kubrick's movie,
              starring K. Douglas. And indeed, this is a strange feeling, a mixed
              one: when you see Spartacus mob-army looking to Crassus' legions
              lining up, you (I, at least!) feel at the same time in the military
              ranks and by the gladiators (who could have symbolized themselves
              some of our Roman values) side. Having Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis
              on your side sure helps in getting the sympathy! Ah, la magie du
              cinéma... ;-)

              Valete,


              P. Memmius Albucius




              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Salve Maior
              >
              > "In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
              > achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)"
              >
              > Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen
              in "Spartacus" , or
              > any other
              > "sword and sandals" movie I can understand. But rooting for the
              first
              > modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.
              >
              > Vale
              >
              > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > >From: "Maior" <rory12001@...>
              > >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC
              CONTRADDICTION!
              > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000
              > >
              > >Maior Albucio Varroni Marinoque spd;
              > >
              > >Everyone do please try to understand that Varro comes from
              > >France which has a long hard-won history of secularism, unlike the
              > >U.S. Please try to understand our different cultural histories.
              > >The early american colonies began with religious freedeom: There
              > >were deists, Catholics, puritans, Jews in the various colonies...
              > >
              > >In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
              > >achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)
              > >
              > >Now as for the gods, I tend to take an atomist view, meaning I
              > >believe we're all made of energy, humans, trees, gods etc...just as
              > >there are myriads of humans, so there are myriads of gods.
              > >
              > >Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
              > >Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
              > >polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
              > >zoroastrianism and all their gods.
              > >
              > >so there are gods, philosophy, and history. It's a fine
              > >conversation, and we don't need to bandy words
              like 'bigot' 'racist'
              > >or 'hate' around. I've experienced it and it's not here. We're
              > >adults and like good Romans can have a robust discussion. True
              > >Romans prized free speech.
              > >bene vale in sapientiam deae Mentis
              > >M. Hortensia Maior
              > >
              > >
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58184 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
              gouverneur
              je n'ai pas compris ce que tu veux dire dans les deux premiers paragraphes
               
              varro
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58185 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
              Varroni s.d.

              Je t'ai traduit les 3 premiers paragraphes (ouf!).
              Three first par. translated.


              >Thanks to you Maior underlining a difference which is not always
              >understood, as it should imho, on both sides of our common ocean.

              Merci à toi Maior de souligner la différence qui n'est pas toujours
              perçue comme elle le mériterait, à mon humble avis, des deux côtés de
              notre mer commune.

              >It is thus a bit odd, for Galli, to read in our fora (very honorable)
              >people putting forward their belief or their cult, saying for
              >ex. :"I'm X, and I think that" or "Though I'm Y, I consider that".

              C'est ainsi un peu bizarre, pour des Gaulois, de voir dans nos forums
              de (par ailleurs très honorables) concitoyens mettre en avant leurs
              croyances ou convictions religieuses personnelles, dans le cadre de
              phrases du type : "Je suis X (de telle ou telle croyance ou
              religion), et je pense cela", ou "Bien que je sois Y (de telle ou
              telle croyance ou religion), je considère cela" (etc.).

              >In sweet Gallia, at least for people who "live" Rome, this is
              >considered as... how could I say that... not really off topic but
              >rather smthg "beside". Because, and I'm currently thinking now to
              >some of Galli, our Fora are seen as public places where we should
              >consider as granted what we share all (for ex. RR), and leave our
              >additional beliefs, cults or religions 'at home'.
              >Naturally, scholar discussions could evoke such matters, but we know
              >well that such debates are not easy for some of us, particularly
              >refrained by language difficulties.

              Dans la doulce Gaule, au moins pour les personnes qui se vivent
              vraiment Romains, ceci est ressenti comme... comment dire... pas
              vraiment "hors sujet", mais "décalé". Parce que, et je pense
              notamment à tel ou tel de mes concitoyens, nos forums sont vus avant
              tout comme des espaces publics où nous devrions considérer comme un
              préalable le fait de tous le partager ainsi que nos valeurs communes
              (comme par ex. la RR), en laissant nos croyances, cultes ou religions
              personnelles additionnelles 'à la maison'.
              Naturellement, des discussions érudites pourraient évoquer de tels
              sujets, mais nous savons bien qu'elles sont moins facilement
              accessibles à ceux d'entre nous qui ont notamment des difficultés à
              s'exprimer en anglais.

              Vale Varro,


              Albucius
              leg. pp. Galliae


              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "philippe cardon"
              <philippe.cardon01@...> wrote:
              >
              > gouverneur
              > je n'ai pas compris ce que tu veux dire dans les deux premiers
              paragraphes
              >
              > varro
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58186 From: hikerbill40 Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
              Napoleon never referred to himself as the "French emperor" but as "Emperor of the French." His claim, that he found the crown of France in the gutter and put it on his head was a glory of monarchical justification. Hail Caesar!

              --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
              From: Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
              Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon and secularism
              To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 11:39 AM

              Varroni s.d.

              Je t'ai traduit les 3 premiers paragraphes (ouf!).
              Three first par. translated.

              >Thanks to you Maior underlining a difference which is not always
              >understood, as it should imho, on both sides of our common ocean.

              Merci à toi Maior de souligner la différence qui n'est pas toujours
              perçue comme elle le mériterait, à mon humble avis, des deux côtés de
              notre mer commune.

              >It is thus a bit odd, for Galli, to read in our fora (very honorable)
              >people putting forward their belief or their cult, saying for
              >ex. :"I'm X, and I think that" or "Though I'm Y, I consider that".

              C'est ainsi un peu bizarre, pour des Gaulois, de voir dans nos forums
              de (par ailleurs très honorables) concitoyens mettre en avant leurs
              croyances ou convictions religieuses personnelles, dans le cadre de
              phrases du type : "Je suis X (de telle ou telle croyance ou
              religion), et je pense cela", ou "Bien que je sois Y (de telle ou
              telle croyance ou religion), je considère cela" (etc.).

              >In sweet Gallia, at least for people who "live" Rome, this is
              >considered as... how could I say that... not really off topic but
              >rather smthg "beside". Because, and I'm currently thinking now to
              >some of Galli, our Fora are seen as public places where we should
              >consider as granted what we share all (for ex. RR), and leave our
              >additional beliefs, cults or religions 'at home'.
              >Naturally, scholar discussions could evoke such matters, but we know
              >well that such debates are not easy for some of us, particularly
              >refrained by language difficulties.

              Dans la doulce Gaule, au moins pour les personnes qui se vivent
              vraiment Romains, ceci est ressenti comme... comment dire... pas
              vraiment "hors sujet", mais "décalé". Parce que, et je pense
              notamment à tel ou tel de mes concitoyens, nos forums sont vus avant
              tout comme des espaces publics où nous devrions considérer comme un
              préalable le fait de tous le partager ainsi que nos valeurs communes
              (comme par ex. la RR), en laissant nos croyances, cultes ou religions
              personnelles additionnelles 'à la maison'.
              Naturellement, des discussions érudites pourraient évoquer de tels
              sujets, mais nous savons bien qu'elles sont moins facilement
              accessibles à ceux d'entre nous qui ont notamment des difficultés à
              s'exprimer en anglais.

              Vale Varro,

              Albucius
              leg. pp. Galliae

              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "philippe cardon"
              <philippe.cardon01@ ...> wrote:
              >
              > gouverneur
              > je n'ai pas compris ce que tu veux dire dans les deux premiers
              paragraphes
              >
              > varro
              >


              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58187 From: Marcus Valerius Traianus Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Announcing the Candidacy of Marcus Valerius Traianus for Diribitor

              Salvete Omnes!

               

              I Marcus Valerius Traianus, if it is not too late, would like to announce my candidacy for Diribitor.  For the last several years I have about coming forward, and finally decided it would be a good thing for me to finally begin to step up and serve our Res Publica. I can not think of a better position to begin my foray into our Government than as a Diribitor.

               

              Di vos incolumes custodiant!

               

              ----------------------------
              Marcus Valerius Traianus
              Proud Citizen of Nova Roma

              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58188 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
              merci pour la traduction mais je ne suis (suivre!) pas bien le fil de ta pensée même en français
               
              varro
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58189 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Equus October : first results : the race
              Albucius aed. omnibus s.d.

              Incredible, in terms of probabilities : over five bigae entered in
              the race around the Campus Martius (7 laps, like in every Circenses),
              ther were 4 Plebeians rigs and just one Patrician one.

              Guess what... Yes, the Patrician won!

              The winner is Amor, (Albata) D. Octavia Aventina's rig. The second is
              Russatus T. Arminius Genialis chariot, Asterica. They are the sole
              who managed to end the race! :-(

              The 3rd is (Venetus) Incitatus [C. Petronius Dexte, owner], but which
              has to give up in a deadly 5th lap. At least, Stolo auriga is fully
              safe. But the 4th and last (5th), Statius on Tribune Livia Plauta's
              Oreas (russatus also) and L. Postumia Crispa's Ferraria will keep the
              bed, in a Roman hospital for six months. They may be ready for
              Ceriales 2762. Ferraria's chariot is a past memories.

              I must tell you, Quirites, that I am not that rejoiced, for the last
              rig is Praesina one, the color of Rome... Bad omen...

              A longer report will be available soon.

              I will come to you back with the results of both parallel next
              events : the struggle for the head of Luxuria, Amor rig sacrified
              horse, between plebeian Subure neighborhood and patrician Via Sacra
              one ; at the same time, the athletics race from the Campus Martius to
              the Regia, between Boreas, entered by the Fabii Buteones for the
              Nobilitas, and Euryalus, C. Petronius Dexter's athleta running for
              the Plebs.

              Valete omnes,


              P. Memmius Albucius
              aed. cur.
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58190 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Napoleon and secularism
              Varroni s.d.

              lol! Je te récris dès que j'en ai le temps (c'est en ce moment la fin
              de l'Equus October !).

              Vale,


              Albucius

              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "philippe cardon"
              <philippe.cardon01@...> wrote:
              >
              > merci pour la traduction mais je ne suis (suivre!) pas bien le fil de
              ta pensée même en français
              >
              > varro
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58191 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Equus October : first results : the 2nd race, btw the CM and the Reg
              Albucius aed. omnibus s.d.

              Our Gods like to play with us, and not to unveil destiny too soon:
              the Patricians, who were smiling largely, have been a bit refreshed
              for Euryalus, 20 y.o. runnner born in Tarentum, has crossed the Regia
              threshold 11 seconds ahead of rival Boreas.

              Boreas has thus been obliged by our rules to give his part of the
              Luxuria horse's tail to Euryalus, who has then stepped forward into
              the Regia, where the Pontifex maximus was waiting him.

              He has given both parts of the reunified tail to our PM who has
              immediatly pressed them over the altar.

              Happily, both champions have run pretty fast, Euryalus arriving in
              2'17'' (current world record is 1'52''). So the Pontifex Maximus has
              no problem obtaining drops of blood falling on the altar.

              This is a good thing, for, after that the Green rig has arrived last
              in the Campus Martius race, a second bad sign for Rome would have
              been worrying.

              At this time, it is a draw: Patricians have won the Campus chariots
              race, and the Plebs has won the athletics race.

              But what happened around Luxuria horse's head? Who won it? The
              gladiators for Nobilitas or those for Plebs?

              I will tell it to you later.

              Valete omnes,


              P. Memmius Albucius


              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
              <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
              >
              > Albucius aed. omnibus s.d.
              >
              > Incredible, in terms of probabilities : over five bigae entered in
              > the race around the Campus Martius (7 laps, like in every
              Circenses),
              > ther were 4 Plebeians rigs and just one Patrician one.
              >
              > Guess what... Yes, the Patrician won!
              >
              > The winner is Amor, (Albata) D. Octavia Aventina's rig. The second
              is
              > Russatus T. Arminius Genialis chariot, Asterica. They are the sole
              > who managed to end the race! :-(
              >
              > The 3rd is (Venetus) Incitatus [C. Petronius Dexte, owner], but
              which
              > has to give up in a deadly 5th lap. At least, Stolo auriga is fully
              > safe. But the 4th and last (5th), Statius on Tribune Livia Plauta's
              > Oreas (russatus also) and L. Postumia Crispa's Ferraria will keep
              the
              > bed, in a Roman hospital for six months. They may be ready for
              > Ceriales 2762. Ferraria's chariot is a past memories.
              >
              > I must tell you, Quirites, that I am not that rejoiced, for the
              last
              > rig is Praesina one, the color of Rome... Bad omen...
              >
              > A longer report will be available soon.
              >
              > I will come to you back with the results of both parallel next
              > events : the struggle for the head of Luxuria, Amor rig sacrified
              > horse, between plebeian Subure neighborhood and patrician Via Sacra
              > one ; at the same time, the athletics race from the Campus Martius
              to
              > the Regia, between Boreas, entered by the Fabii Buteones for the
              > Nobilitas, and Euryalus, C. Petronius Dexter's athleta running for
              > the Plebs.
              >
              > Valete omnes,
              >
              >
              > P. Memmius Albucius
              > aed. cur.
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58192 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Napoleon
              Salve Titus Octavius Pius

              The Directory was the government of France that Napoleon replaced in the
              coup d�etat of November 9-10, 1799. He was a general in the service of this
              government when he did this.
              A coup d�etat is not an election. As far as I know Napoleon was appointed
              to every military rank
              he ever had and was never "elected" in an open and free election to
              anything. He may have held a
              plebiscite to ratify his assumption of power but it not the same thing.

              He also created a new "Imperial" royal family.

              Vale

              Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


              >From: From <from@...>
              >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
              >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:47:08 +0200
              >
              >
              >On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:49:46 -0400, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
              >wrote:
              > > Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen in "Spartacus",
              > > or any other 'sword and sandals' movie I can understand. But rooting
              >for
              > > the first modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.
              >
              >Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline.
              >
              >Similar to Caesar in many ways, Napoleon differs from most "modern"
              >dictators in that he was, actually and lawfully, elected to whatever power
              >he held. Unlike those against whom he fought, all of which were royalty by
              >birth.
              >
              >Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
              >
              >
              Salve Titus Octavius Pius

              The Directory was the government of France that Napoleon over through in
              the coup d�etat of November 9-10, 1799. He was a general in the service of
              this government when he over through it. A coup d�etat is not an election.

              He also created a new "Imperial" royal family.

              Vale

              Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


              >From: From <from@...>
              >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
              >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:47:08 +0200
              >
              >
              >On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:49:46 -0400, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
              >wrote:
              > > Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen in "Spartacus",
              > > or any other 'sword and sandals' movie I can understand. But rooting
              >for
              > > the first modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.
              >
              >Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline.
              >
              >Similar to Caesar in many ways, Napoleon differs from most "modern"
              >dictators in that he was, actually and lawfully, elected to whatever power
              >he held. Unlike those against whom he fought, all of which were royalty by
              >birth.
              >
              >Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
              >
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58193 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              Salvete omnes,

              With great respect to the Senatrix I humbly offer these thoughts to
              all. Asking that we understand someone in defense of their country,
              their political experience or words is tantamount to saying this
              person needs education in many areas. This can potentially be a
              disservice to the individual because it gives one an excuse to not
              temper their words and to ignore the lessons that should be learned
              in the responses. If one has the courage of their convictions to
              stand up and speak out they should also have the courage to take the
              consequences. Recently another passionate citizen commented on the
              over zealous attitude by some and no effort was made to go easy on
              him and he was not handled with the diplomacy new citizens should be
              handled. I will add that I had spoken with this person and he is a
              wonderful, funny and intelligent man. I could have come to his aid
              and asked people to understand but not only was it was a good lesson
              for him in diplomacy and thought presentation it would have been an
              insult to this very intelligent man, in addition to a disservice. I
              see this as a good thing for Citizen Varro, a wonderful learning
              opportunity in this international construct that is small mirror of
              the larger world we live in.
              In addition I was pleased to see Gaul's Governor, Senator P. Memmius
              Albucius, come forward and post to this discussion and clarify
              Gaul's position.

              Maior: ""we don't need to bandy words like 'bigot' 'racist'
              or 'hate' around""

              We Americans have a strong history of discrimination, bigotry and
              racism as late as the 1960 Black Americans, for Women, who did not
              get the vote until 1901, and who still are subject to misogyny also
              and immigrants from the late 1800's to the present regarding Latin
              Americans and I will include the obvious economic class distinctions.

              So when I saw the words that Citizen Varro wrote regarding """, i
              would admit only "pagan" people, even the Roman Gods were not they
              primary deities, but no atheists or christians or muslims for the
              jews i did the same exception than Caesar did, and for buddhists i
              could have accept them wih the same conditions than the jews"" it
              was time to let him see how this appeared to others.

              I did take into account the society in which he came from but at the
              same time, in order to coexist in Nova Roma with other citizens
              shining a mirror back is an act of education. In this case I remember
              that old expression, "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck
              then it must be a duck". This may not be so but it was how it
              appeared. And so I repeat the lesson Citizen Varro earned: I
              understand the passion of some of our citizens and it is good,
              however, disrespect, blatant discrimination, bigotry and harsh
              language with racist, yes racist, undertones may keep others from
              listening which is the opposite reaction desired in a discussion on
              this board where cooler heads will prevail. We all, as citizens, must
              remember that we are ultimately responsible for the consequence of
              our actions, or in this case our words. We must all be careful not to
              infringe on another's rights.

              As for France, Gallia, I have a familial connection and have also
              spent quite a lot of time there with, many personal friends including
              a long time relationship with a man in a suburb of Paris who is an
              Artist and also passionate on politics. So I am quite aware how
              passionate some French people can get on issues but tact and language
              are carefully applied because they want to be heard not turn off the
              people they are speaking to. Please bear with me as I would like to
              add here that many of our (the US) fairly new Russian immigrants easy
              fly into passionate dissertations regarding injustices as a
              reflection of the oppressive and harsh Russian society in which they
              were raised so this is not particular to one country. We have a
              marvelous pocket of Russian immigrants in my City, many fabulous
              artists, writers and scientists and they are striving to find
              equilibrium within the American society. A similar equilibrium should
              be strived for when working within Nova Roma regardless of one's
              country of origin. What an opportunity to raise one's horizons!

              If we truly want to go back to the history of Gauls and Romans than
              we must recognize that Caesar enslaved many Gauls and we do not want
              to incorporate slavery into the Nova Roma as much as we do not want
              to incorporate religious exclusion. Both are inherently wrong.


              Valé, et valéte


              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
              >
              > Maior Albucio Varroni Marinoque spd;
              >
              > Everyone do please try to understand that Varro comes from
              > France which has a long hard-won history of secularism, unlike the
              > U.S. Please try to understand our different cultural histories.
              > The early american colonies began with religious freedeom: There
              > were deists, Catholics, puritans, Jews in the various colonies...
              >
              > In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
              > achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)
              >
              > Now as for the gods, I tend to take an atomist view, meaning I
              > believe we're all made of energy, humans, trees, gods etc...just as
              > there are myriads of humans, so there are myriads of gods.
              >
              > Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
              > Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
              > polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
              > zoroastrianism and all their gods.
              >
              > so there are gods, philosophy, and history. It's a fine
              > conversation, and we don't need to bandy words like 'bigot' 'racist'
              > or 'hate' around. I've experienced it and it's not here. We're
              > adults and like good Romans can have a robust discussion. True
              > Romans prized free speech.
              > bene vale in sapientiam deae Mentis
              > M. Hortensia Maior
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58194 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Napoleon
              Maior Pio Paulino spd;
              in 1807 Napoleon liberated the Polish serfs and the Jews who
              were forced to live in Ghettos. Imagine if he'd conquered Russia and
              emanicpated the serfs permanently.

              I personally regard him as a liberator. My maternal family lived
              in Lodz Ghetto before they emigrated to the U.S in the 19th century.

              So yes, apart from the Code Napoleon, the incredible expedition to
              Egypt and the resulting flowering of culture, and other things we
              can talk about, he brought personal emanicpation.
              In the U.S. african-americans were emanicipated with full civil
              rights only in the 1960's.
              bene valete
              M. Hortensia Maior


              >
              > Salve Titus Octavius Pius
              >
              > The Directory was the government of France that Napoleon replaced
              in the
              > coup d'etat of November 9-10, 1799. He was a general in the
              service of this
              > government when he did this.
              > A coup d'etat is not an election. As far as I know Napoleon was
              appointed
              > to every military rank
              > he ever had and was never "elected" in an open and free election
              to
              > anything. He may have held a
              > plebiscite to ratify his assumption of power but it not the same
              thing.
              >
              > He also created a new "Imperial" royal family.
              >
              > Vale
              >
              > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
              >
              >
              > >From: From <from@...>
              > >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
              > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:47:08 +0200
              > >
              > >
              > >On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:49:46 -0400, "Stephen Gallagher"
              <spqr753@...>
              > >wrote:
              > > > Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen
              in "Spartacus",
              > > > or any other 'sword and sandals' movie I can understand. But
              rooting
              > >for
              > > > the first modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.
              > >
              > >Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline.
              > >
              > >Similar to Caesar in many ways, Napoleon differs from
              most "modern"
              > >dictators in that he was, actually and lawfully, elected to
              whatever power
              > >he held. Unlike those against whom he fought, all of which were
              royalty by
              > >birth.
              > >
              > >Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
              > >
              > >
              > Salve Titus Octavius Pius
              >
              > The Directory was the government of France that Napoleon over
              through in
              > the coup d'etat of November 9-10, 1799. He was a general in the
              service of
              > this government when he over through it. A coup d'etat is not an
              election.
              >
              > He also created a new "Imperial" royal family.
              >
              > Vale
              >
              > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
              >
              >
              > >From: From <from@...>
              > >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
              > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:47:08 +0200
              > >
              > >
              > >On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:49:46 -0400, "Stephen Gallagher"
              <spqr753@...>
              > >wrote:
              > > > Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen
              in "Spartacus",
              > > > or any other 'sword and sandals' movie I can understand. But
              rooting
              > >for
              > > > the first modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.
              > >
              > >Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline.
              > >
              > >Similar to Caesar in many ways, Napoleon differs from
              most "modern"
              > >dictators in that he was, actually and lawfully, elected to
              whatever power
              > >he held. Unlike those against whom he fought, all of which were
              royalty by
              > >birth.
              > >
              > >Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
              > >
              > >
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58195 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Polytheism & Monotheism
              Salve omnes,

              Our venerable Senatrix and Flaminica Carmentalis M. Hortensia Maior
              offered an interesting comment that actually outlines some
              fascinating information that deserves to be expounded on for the
              benefit of all interested in Religio Romana or polytheism in general.
              This astute comment was in response to the most recent "religious"
              thread:

              ""Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
              Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
              polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
              zoroastrianism and all their gods.""

              For the discernment of the honorable citizens of Nova Roma:
              Jung believed at one point in his career that the "God concept" was
              dead. Jung also rejected polytheism believing that the imago dei is
              not just a reflection of the unconscious and all of its archetypes
              (see "Transcendental function") but of a very specific archetype;
              the self. In this respect then, according to Jung, polytheism indeed
              has "tendencies" to monotheism, another reflection of self. In
              addition to quote Jung; "The concreteness of man's ultimate concern
              drives him towards polytheistic structures; the reaction of the
              absolute element against these drives him towards monotheistic
              structures; and the need for a balance between the concrete and the
              absolute drives him towards Trinitarian structures." Trinitarian
              structures are monotheistic, or Christian. I maintain that
              Christianity never left its polytheistic roots behind and it is a
              prime example of the Hermetic meta-magical concept of the Egregore:
              word/thought creates form or more aptly "thought form".
              As for Buddhism, particularly Tibetan Buddhism they do not
              have "gods' as other religions do, partially because they do not
              consider themselves a religion, but a philosophy. The Buddhist Monks
              have found the term "gods" easier for the English speaking people
              to begin to grasp what their assertion of what "god" is. Jung also
              did much study on this and I concur through my own extensive
              affiliation with Buddhism. To quote Jung: "The gods of Tibetan
              Buddhism belong to the sphere of illusionary separateness and mind-
              created projections, and yet they exist; but as far as we are
              concerned an illusion remains an illusion, and thus it is nothing at
              all." This is in concert with the Buddhist concept of illusion and
              deities: god = the archetype of self.
              As for Pythagoras, I hardly have time to go into his Divine Monad but
              in relation to the above the divine number three symbolizes
              perfection and completion (the origin of the Trinity ring any bells?)
              in which is found the beginning, the middle and the end. Plato in
              his "Timaus", speaking as Timaus, supports the trinity
              also "Wherefore also God in the beginning of creation made the body
              of the universe to consist of fire and earth. But two things cannot
              be rightly put together without a third; there must be some bond of
              union between them. And the fairest bond is that which makes the most
              complete fusion of itself and the things which it combines; and
              proportion is best adapted to effect such a union. For whenever in
              any three numbers, whether cube or square, there is a mean, which is
              to the last term what the first term is to it; and again, when the
              mean is to the first term as the last term is to the mean-then the
              mean becoming first and last, and the first and last both becoming
              means, they will all of them of necessity come to be the same, and
              having become the same with one another will be all one. If the
              universal frame had been created a surface only and having no depth,
              a single mean would have sufficed to bind together itself and the
              other terms; but now, as the world must be solid, and solid bodies
              are always compacted not by one mean but by two, God placed water and
              air in the mean between fire and earth, and made them to have the
              same proportion so far as was possible (as fire is to air so is air
              to water, and as air is to water so is water to earth); and thus he
              bound and put together a visible and tangible heaven." This dialogue
              was translated by the Republic's own Cicero, to whom I extend thanks
              very posthumously.*laughs* Moreover Plato's dialogue (360 BCE)
              demonstrates the relation of monotheism and polytheism. Look it up,
              it is an easy and fascinating read that not only incorporates the
              elements and it is influenced by Pythagorean thought. I will add that
              no true (there are many fakes) texts from Pythagoras survive today so
              another round of posthumous thanks for those such as Plato (and even
              Ovidus) who passed on his teachings. Interesting and fervent
              discussions on Pythagoras are also found in today's Mystery
              or "secret" Orders which are an extension of their ancient
              counterparts. I suggest a good discourse on Pythagoras which relates
              to Religio Romana, to read be found at this link:
              http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta16.htm

              Curate ut valeatis, omnes!
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58196 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Religion in Nova Roma
              Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus S.P.D.

                  Religion in Nova Roma is an interesting topic. Most of us come from Christian backgrounds or, if nothing else, from a Christian-leaning culture. Yet many of us (myself included) have become polytheists of one sort or another. What's interesting about that is that polytheism allows worship of Jesus Christ; to me, he could be another avatar of God. I see no problem with someone worshipping Jesus Christ. The problems appear when those who worship him become exclusivists.
                  Christianity and its precursor, Judaism, are inherently exclusionary. They do not recognize the worship of other gods (or even their existence, in some cases) as valid. This is in direct opposition to most polytheistic traditions (in context here, Religio Romana; others include Hinduism, Shinto, etc.) which will often accept the worship of any god or spirit as valid. This is, as I see it, the main issue with regards to Christianity in Nova Roma. Nova Roma was founded as a pagan Republic.
                  The ancient Romans were accepting of other religions. Even when they didn't agree with their practices (the importation of the cult of Magna Mater comes to mind), they allowed the worship and considered it valid but limited the activities and the participants. They saw no problem accepting gods from other cultures.
                  It is my opinion that Nova Roma should be as accepting. We should, as an organization, accept Christians, Jews, Muslims, and others as citizens. We should allow them to undertake those duties that call them, and for which they are qualified. That being said, we should not budge on the requirements of the magistrates to worship the gods. If a magistrate will not honor the gods (and I, personally, don't consider "proxy offerings" as valid, but that's another point), then they should not run for a magistracy. The "issue" isn't with the requirement that the magistrates pay homage to the Roman deities, but is the fact that the three religions mentioned above forbid their followers from doing so. If they offer, they go against their faith; if they don't, they can't serve in office. They must, individually, choose. Our choice as Nova Roma, though, should be to choose the gods of Rome. We must continue to be the continuation of Rome and that includes continuing the worship of the gods.
                  (Shameless plug: See our oppidum's wiki page for pictures of our ritual this past weekend where we dedicated an altar column and made offerings to Sol Indiges. We're going to make this a regular--possibly weekly--occurence.)

              Dii deaque vos ament!

              --
              Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
              Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
              Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
              http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com


              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58197 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Equus last chapter: who's got the head?
              Albucius aed. omnibus s.d.

              Here is the last chapter. To avoid having several seriously injured
              or dead, Patricians and Plebeians have accepted to place their
              destiny between the hands on two teams of gladiators. Just two
              opposed teams were scheduled initially, but the aedilitas has been
              drawn, towards the number of entries, to organize the following "two-
              storeys" contest.

              In the first heat, Plebs and Nobilitas will have their 1st team
              opposed. It has been agreed between both orders that each champion
              would fight, as much as possible, a champion who belongs to the same
              type of gladiator category (thrax vs thrax, etc.).

              Even if all the gladiators use, in this Equus October day, wooden
              weapons, having this kind of fights gives initially equal chances.

              In this first heat, each winner has been opposed to another 'enemy'
              champion, until (s-)he is the last one.

              Remaining alone, this champion has to pick up the horse's head, and
              try to run in direction of his neighborhood. By agreement between
              both neighborhood and orders, the crowd, and specially the most
              excited supporters, will not intervene.

              Those who will are the members of the 2nd "enemy" team. But, this
              team will be itself attacked, in the frame of the same rules, by the
              2nd team of the first heat winner, which will try to protect her/him,
              and open her/him the way to either Turris Mamilius (Subura), or the
              Regia (Via Sacra).

              At the end of this second heat, we will have a last gladiator. If (s-)
              he belongs to the same team that the 1st heat winner, they will join
              in joice to carry together the head into their neighborhood. If not,
              the 2nd heat winner will run to catch up the 1st heat winner before
              this one has succeeded hanging Luxuria horse's head on the targeted
              wall.

              nb: all the results below are the results of calculations made in the
              frame of current aedilician rules: all fights one according
              gladiatoria rules, and, on the question whether the 2nd heat winner
              has managed catching up the 1st one, according the athletics race
              rules, an average set of datas having been applied when not displayed
              by the owner of the champion.

              ==1st heat==

              We have used the word "round" to design the successive fight(s) that
              the qualified gladiators have been brought to fight:

              1st round:

              Gladiator : Dorothea
              Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
              Usual type: Thrax
              Order : Plebs
              Factio : R

              defeats

              Gladiator : Butio
              Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
              Usual type: Thrax
              Order : Nobilitas
              Factio : R



              Gladiator : Lucanus
              Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
              Usual type: Hopl.
              Order : Plebs
              Factio : V

              is defeated by

              Gladiator : Anastasios
              Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
              Usual type: Hopl.
              Order : Nobilitas
              Factio : A



              Gladiator : Arctos
              Owner : L. Livia Plauta
              Usual type: Thrax
              Order : Plebs
              Factio : R

              defeats

              Gladiator : Mareotis
              Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
              Usual type: Dimach.
              Order : Nobilitas
              Factio : A



              2nd round:

              Gladiator : Arctos
              Owner : L. Livia Plauta
              Usual type: Thrax
              Order : Plebs
              Factio : R

              is defeated by

              Gladiator : Anastasios
              Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
              Usual type: Hopl.
              Order : Nobilitas
              Factio : A
              3rd round:


              Gladiator : Dorothea
              Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
              Usual type: Thrax
              Order : Plebs
              Factio : R

              is defeated by

              Gladiator : Anastasios
              Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
              Usual type: Hopl.
              Order : Nobilitas
              Factio : A


              Anastasios is the winner of the first heat. He picks up Luxuria
              horse's head and begin running in direction of the Regia.
              But a hundred feet later, the second Plebs team is here, that, like
              in American football, the second Patrician team tries to neutralize.

              So occur the following fights between these 2nd teams members.


              ==2nd heat==

              1st round:

              Gladiator : Nemo
              Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
              Usual type: Thrax
              Order : Plebs
              Factio : R

              defeats

              Gladiator : Cunctator
              Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
              Usual type: Thrax
              Order : Nobilitas
              Factio : P


              Gladiator : Hierocles
              Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
              Usual type: Mirm.
              Order : Plebs
              Factio : V

              defeats

              Gladiator : Verruncundus
              Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
              Usual type: Sec.
              Order : Nobilitas
              Factio : P


              Gladiator : Ursos
              Owner : L. Livia Plauta
              Usual type: Ret..
              Order : Plebs
              Factio : R

              is defeated by

              Gladiator : Adlusor
              Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
              Usual type: Ret..
              Order : Nobilitas
              Factio : R


              2nd round:

              Gladiator : Hierocles
              Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
              Usual type: Mirm.
              Order : Plebs
              Factio : V

              defeats

              Gladiator : Adlusor
              Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
              Usual type: Ret..
              Order : Nobilitas
              Factio : R


              Gladiator : Nemo
              Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
              Usual type: Thrax
              Order : Plebs
              Factio : R

              is defeated by

              Gladiator : Anastasios
              Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
              Usual type: Hopl.
              Order : Nobilitas
              Factio : A


              ==Final fight==

              Censor Marinus' Anastasios has succeeded passing through the fights.
              He has taken some advance and has arrived near the Capitolium, a
              stadium before the Curia, when, unfortunately for the Egyptian
              warrior, C. Petronius Dexter's Hierocles, who is not obliged to carry
              the heavy Luxuria's head and is also younger than the Egyptian
              hoplomachus, catches him up.

              Anastasios turns and is ready to fight. On both sides of the street,
              the crowd is cheering the champions. There are a bit more Patricians
              here, for we are nearer the Via Sacra neighborhood, where stands the
              Regia, where Anastasios is supposed to hang the horse's head if he is
              the final winner.

              But...

              Gladiator : Hierocles
              Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
              Usual type: Mirm.
              Order : Plebs
              Factio : V

              defeats

              Gladiator : Anastasios
              Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
              Usual type: Hopl.
              Order : Nobilitas
              Factio : A

              Hierocles picks up at his turn Luxuria's head and, surrounded by very
              excited Plebeians, who are more and more when he enters Subura and
              steps up to Turrus Mamilius, he manages, one hour later, almost
              carried forward by the Suburans and all the Plebeian supporters, to
              hang the horse head on the Turris Mamilius wall.

              Hierocles is very happy, for he has been depressed, has said owner
              Gaul C. Petronius Dexter, after his quick defeat in last Ludi Romani
              Semifinals. This last month, the young Spartan, had even lost a big
              part of his confidence in himself.


              Valete omnes,


              P. Memmius Albucius
              aed. cur.
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58198 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Equus October : conclusion
              Aed. P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.

              In conclusion:

              1/ Plebs wins vs Nobilitas, but shortly:

              - Patricians have won the chariot race (Amor, Bebriaca char., owner D.
              Octavia Aventina, Gallia, driving for Albata and Jupiter) ;
              - Plebeians have won the horse's tail race (Euryalus, owner C.
              Petronius Dexter, Gallia, running for Veneta and Portunus and Janus -
              nb. Dexter is also Flamen Portunalis !)
              - Plebeians have won the head's fight (Hierocles, owner C. Petronius
              Dexter, Gallia, for Veneta and Portunus and Janus).

              2/ Worrying signs have appeared through bad results for Praesini
              (Green), our City symbolic color, specially the last position in Campus
              Martius race. These signs seem however being balanced by the good
              achievement of the other rituals (the horse sacrifice, the tail on the
              Regia altar, the fact that the winning neighborhood has not faced any
              difficulty hanging the horse head upon its wall).

              3/ Despite a hard beginning about its entries, Equus October has
              finally been a success. Naturally, we could have met more enthusiasm,
              but I have been rejoiced by the civic involvement of the citizens who
              have understood that their individual participation could bring much
              for keeping our tradition.
              I thus wish, among others, thanking specially Censor Marinus, Tribune
              Livia, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Russati leader, much available Brasilian
              Arminii (Genialis and Reccanellus) and all the Galli. Thanks also to
              Cos. Sabinus for the help on the ritual for Jupiter and Mars we did
              this morning, and to Censorius Marinus for, as Albati leader has made
              all what he could to mobilize his troops.

              4/ I have been personally honored, but also glad to live this day,
              whose "ludi" events have been interested for Fortuna and the tactics
              chosen by the owners have given balanced results, and exciting "events
              in the events", that we will give you a more detailed report in our web
              pages soon.

              5/ Final congratulations to:

              - the Plebs, and also special thanks for Tribune Aquila, who has,
              beside Livia Tribuna, well contributed to mobilize his order;

              - our rather fresh citizen, C. Petronius Dexter, who has won today two
              events, and the decisive one inside!

              - Galli, who has won, for different orders, all the events.


              The aedilitas curulis is happy to give now the relay to Aedilis Plebis
              Placidus and assistants, for Ludi Plebei, next month!


              Valete omnes,


              P. Memmius Albucius
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58199 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Napoleon
              Salve Pauline,


              Well, if there's one thing you could say to get me posting on the ML,
              as you know, defaming L'Empereur is one way to do it. I'm with Maior
              on this (Gods that pains me to say). To say the least, I root for
              Napoleon and La Grand Armee (or the L'Armee du Nord in Waterloo) in
              any movie of the period.

              As several people have noted, Napoleon was more in the vein of Caesar,
              not a modern dictator in the sense you refer to. Even as emperor he
              was viewed by many of the peoples of Europe as a liberator. Maior has
              mentioned the Poles. In the Polish national anthem Napoleon is
              mentioned even today.

              The coalition of forces against him, especially England, were not
              fighting him because they viewed him as a tyrant, they viewed him as a
              representative of the Revolution and as as threat to the traditional
              monarchical forces of Europe. England and the others were fighting to
              make Europe safe for kings--they weren't fighting for liberty.

              And don't forget, they attacked Napoleon's France, not the other way
              around. England broke the Peace of Amiens, convinced (paid) the
              Austrians and Russians to attack, then after they were trounced at
              Austerlitz, convinced (paid) Prussia to get in the act.

              That plebiscite you disparage when Napoleon became Emperor gave him
              more legitimacy than the Czar had, or Emperor Francis of Austria, and
              even George III never had his reign legitimized by a vote of the people.

              My friend Albucius is right, there are several of us here quite
              passionate about this subject--to say the least. ;-)


              Vale,

              Palladius

              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...> wrote:
              >
              > Salve Maior
              >
              > "In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
              > achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)"
              >
              > Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen in
              "Spartacus" , or
              > any other
              > "sword and sandals" movie I can understand. But rooting for the first
              > modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.
              >
              > Vale
              >
              > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > >From: "Maior" <rory12001@...>
              > >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000
              > >
              > >Maior Albucio Varroni Marinoque spd;
              > >
              > >Everyone do please try to understand that Varro comes from
              > >France which has a long hard-won history of secularism, unlike the
              > >U.S. Please try to understand our different cultural histories.
              > >The early american colonies began with religious freedeom: There
              > >were deists, Catholics, puritans, Jews in the various colonies...
              > >
              > >In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
              > >achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)
              > >
              > >Now as for the gods, I tend to take an atomist view, meaning I
              > >believe we're all made of energy, humans, trees, gods etc...just as
              > >there are myriads of humans, so there are myriads of gods.
              > >
              > >Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
              > >Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
              > >polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
              > >zoroastrianism and all their gods.
              > >
              > >so there are gods, philosophy, and history. It's a fine
              > >conversation, and we don't need to bandy words like 'bigot' 'racist'
              > >or 'hate' around. I've experienced it and it's not here. We're
              > >adults and like good Romans can have a robust discussion. True
              > >Romans prized free speech.
              > >bene vale in sapientiam deae Mentis
              > >M. Hortensia Maior
              > >
              > >
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58201 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: 10th NR Anniverarsy - Sacred Year of Concordia - Ritual
              Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, pontifex, sacerdos Concordiae, sacerdos Pannoniae,
              quaestor, legatus pro praetore: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis
              plebis, senatui populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam:


              Salvete, Quirites!


              This is my first public sacrifice since I was coopted as pontifex into the Collegium Pontificum and I dedicate this first public pontifical sacrifice ceremony to Concordia and to the Future and Growth of the Nova Roman Republic.

              You probably know our Nova Roma is 10 years old, and in order to honour this Tenth Anniversary I follow my vow and pray to Concordia constantly on every Kalends and Ides.

              This has been the ritual for the Ides of October, on the festivity of the Equus October.

              Please, citizens of Nova Roma, concentrate your prayers on the future of Nova Roma!

              Help us with your prayers to make more effective my sacrifice!

              PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!

              I especially ask our Magistrates and Senators: send me your prayers to
              Concordia and I will allocate them in the Virtual Temple of Concordia of the Nova Roman People:

              http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Aedes_Concordiae_Populi_Novi_Romani_%28Nova_Roma%29

              Visit the Virtual Temple of Concordia and leave a personal, public prayer!

              PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!

              Today's sacrifice has been done before my home altar. I have worshiped
              Concordia for the unity, strengthen and harmony of the New Roman People
              and I have given Her wine and incense. The ritual has been this:


              +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

              SACRIFICIUM CONCORDIAE KALENDIS OCTOBRIBUS ANNIVERSARII SACRI X NOVAE ROMAE CONDITAE



              Favete linguis!

              (Beginning of the sacrifice.)

              PRAEFATIO

              Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
              te hoc ture commovendo
              bonas preces precor,
              uti sies volens propitia
              Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
              mihi, domo, familiae!

              (Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

              Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
              uti te ture commovendo
              bonas preces precatus sum,
              eiusdem rei ergo
              macte vino inferio esto!

              (Libation of wine is made.)

              PRECATIO

              Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
              hisce Idibus Octobribus anni undecimi Novae Romae conditae,
              cum pontifex Populi Novi Romani primum sacra facio
              hoc primum meum sacrificium pontificale tibi dedicans
              te precor, veneror, quaesoque obtestorque:
              uti pacem concordiamque constantem
              societati Novae Romae tribuas;
              utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
              confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
              omnibusque discordiis liberes;
              utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
              atque hoc anno anniversarii decimi Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
              atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
              utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
              Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
              mihi, domo, familiae
              omnes in hoc anno undecimo Novae Romae eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
              utique sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
              Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
              magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
              tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
              Senatui Novo Romano,
              omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
              mihi, domo, familiae!

              SACRIFICIUM

              Sicut verba nuncupavi,
              quaeque ita faxis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
              harum rerum ergo macte
              hoc vino libando,
              hoc ture ommovendo
              esto fito volens propitia
              hoc anno anniversarii decimi Novae Romae conditae
              Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
              Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
              magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
              tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
              Senatui Novo Romano,
              omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
              mihi, domo, familiae!

              (Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)

              REDDITIO

              Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
              uti te ture commovendo
              et vino libando
              bonas preces precatus sum,
              earundem rerum ergo
              macte vino inferio esto!

              (Libation of wine is made)

              Ilicet!

              (End of the sacrifice.)

              PIACULUM

              Iane,
              Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
              Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva,
              Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
              si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet,
              hoc vino inferio
              veniam peto
              et vitium meum expio.

              (Libation of wine is made.)


              VALETE IN CONCORDIA!


              Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
              Q U A E S T O R
              P O N T I F E X
              SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
              ------------------------------------------
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              Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
              Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
              Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
              Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
              Scriba Aedilis Curulis P. Memmii Albucii
              Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
              Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
              -------------------------------------------
              Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
              Dominus Factionis Russatae
              Latinista, Classicus Philologus


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              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58202 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Polytheism & Monotheism
              Salve Aquila,
              please just call me 'Maior' I suggest you read Philip Kingsley's
              "Ancient Philosophy, Mystery and Magic" Cambridge University Press a
              very fascinating scholarly work -all about pythagoreanism.

              As for buddhism, in 2004, I trained for 2 summers as a Tendai
              priest, a 1,000 year old Japanese esoteric buddhist sect. I asked
              the 30 year old Japanese priest, if he saw Fudo Myo ( a god) as a
              real being and he replied 'yes, absolutely' he did. He saw him as
              coming out of the divine energy,. He invoked Fudo Myo, rather like a
              shaman & assured me he could give you riches, anything you want.

              As for everything else, we're Romans here, and Romans prized free
              speech. If anyone's super sensitive, there is New Romans. It's
              unRoman to behave otherwise & Nova Roma is all about romanitas.
              optime vale
              M.Hortensia Maior




              --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila"
              <dis_pensible@...> wrote:
              >
              > Salve omnes,
              >
              > Our venerable Senatrix and Flaminica Carmentalis M. Hortensia
              Maior
              > offered an interesting comment that actually outlines some
              > fascinating information that deserves to be expounded on for the
              > benefit of all interested in Religio Romana or polytheism in
              general.
              > This astute comment was in response to the most recent "religious"
              > thread:
              >
              > ""Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
              > Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
              > polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
              > zoroastrianism and all their gods.""
              >
              > For the discernment of the honorable citizens of Nova Roma:
              > Jung believed at one point in his career that the "God concept"
              was
              > dead. Jung also rejected polytheism believing that the imago dei
              is
              > not just a reflection of the unconscious and all of its archetypes
              > (see "Transcendental function") but of a very specific archetype;
              > the self. In this respect then, according to Jung, polytheism
              indeed
              > has "tendencies" to monotheism, another reflection of self. In
              > addition to quote Jung; "The concreteness of man's ultimate
              concern
              > drives him towards polytheistic structures; the reaction of the
              > absolute element against these drives him towards monotheistic
              > structures; and the need for a balance between the concrete and
              the
              > absolute drives him towards Trinitarian structures." Trinitarian
              > structures are monotheistic, or Christian. I maintain that
              > Christianity never left its polytheistic roots behind and it is a
              > prime example of the Hermetic meta-magical concept of the
              Egregore:
              > word/thought creates form or more aptly "thought form".
              > As for Buddhism, particularly Tibetan Buddhism they do not
              > have "gods' as other religions do, partially because they do not
              > consider themselves a religion, but a philosophy. The Buddhist
              Monks
              > have found the term "gods" easier for the English speaking people
              > to begin to grasp what their assertion of what "god" is. Jung also
              > did much study on this and I concur through my own extensive
              > affiliation with Buddhism. To quote Jung: "The gods of Tibetan
              > Buddhism belong to the sphere of illusionary separateness and mind-
              > created projections, and yet they exist; but as far as we are
              > concerned an illusion remains an illusion, and thus it is nothing
              at
              > all." This is in concert with the Buddhist concept of illusion and
              > deities: god = the archetype of self.
              > As for Pythagoras, I hardly have time to go into his Divine Monad
              but
              > in relation to the above the divine number three symbolizes
              > perfection and completion (the origin of the Trinity ring any
              bells?)
              > in which is found the beginning, the middle and the end. Plato in
              > his "Timaus", speaking as Timaus, supports the trinity
              > also "Wherefore also God in the beginning of creation made the
              body
              > of the universe to consist of fire and earth. But two things
              cannot
              > be rightly put together without a third; there must be some bond
              of
              > union between them. And the fairest bond is that which makes the
              most
              > complete fusion of itself and the things which it combines; and
              > proportion is best adapted to effect such a union. For whenever in
              > any three numbers, whether cube or square, there is a mean, which
              is
              > to the last term what the first term is to it; and again, when the
              > mean is to the first term as the last term is to the mean-then the
              > mean becoming first and last, and the first and last both becoming
              > means, they will all of them of necessity come to be the same, and
              > having become the same with one another will be all one. If the
              > universal frame had been created a surface only and having no
              depth,
              > a single mean would have sufficed to bind together itself and the
              > other terms; but now, as the world must be solid, and solid bodies
              > are always compacted not by one mean but by two, God placed water
              and
              > air in the mean between fire and earth, and made them to have the
              > same proportion so far as was possible (as fire is to air so is
              air
              > to water, and as air is to water so is water to earth); and thus
              he
              > bound and put together a visible and tangible heaven." This
              dialogue
              > was translated by the Republic's own Cicero, to whom I extend
              thanks
              > very posthumously.*laughs* Moreover Plato's dialogue (360 BCE)
              > demonstrates the relation of monotheism and polytheism. Look it
              up,
              > it is an easy and fascinating read that not only incorporates the
              > elements and it is influenced by Pythagorean thought. I will add
              that
              > no true (there are many fakes) texts from Pythagoras survive today
              so
              > another round of posthumous thanks for those such as Plato (and
              even
              > Ovidus) who passed on his teachings. Interesting and fervent
              > discussions on Pythagoras are also found in today's Mystery
              > or "secret" Orders which are an extension of their ancient
              > counterparts. I suggest a good discourse on Pythagoras which
              relates
              > to Religio Romana, to read be found at this link:
              > http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta16.htm
              >
              > Curate ut valeatis, omnes!
              >
              Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58203 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-15
              Subject: Re: Napoleon
              Salve Palladius

              Amice

              I have not defamed L'Empereur I stated an opinion that he was the first
              modern dictator.
              I believe history shows that he was. While he can be given credit for many
              positive things the fact
              remains that he was not a democratically elected head of state and that he
              took power through the barrel of a gun.

              I also never said that I disliked L'Empereur and I have in fact been a
              student of the Napoleonic age for many years. He is likeable in many ways
              whereas most of his successors (modern dictators) have not been.

              I believe that Lord Byron said it best in his Ode to Napoleon when he said

              �There was a day -- there was an hour,
              While earth was Gaul's -- Gaul thine --
              When that immeasurable power
              Unsated to resign
              Had been an act of purer fame
              Than gathers round Marengo's name,
              And gilded thy decline,
              Through the long twilight of all time,
              Despite some passing clouds of crime.

              But thou forsooth must be a king,
              And don the purple vest,
              As if that foolish robe could wring
              Remembrance from thy breast.
              Where is that faded garment? where
              The gewgaws thou wert fond to wear,
              The star, the string, the crest?
              Vain froward child of empire! say,
              Are all thy playthings snatched away?

              Where may the wearied eye repose
              When gazing on the Great;
              Where neither guilty glory glows,
              Nor despicable state?
              Yes --one--the first--the last--the best--
              The Cincinnatus of the West,
              Whom envy dared not hate,
              Bequeath'd the name of Washington,
              To make man blush there was but one! "


              Pax

              Tiberius Galerius Paulinus






              >From: "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@...>
              >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
              >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:40:14 -0000
              >
              >
              >Salve Pauline,
              >
              >
              >Well, if there's one thing you could say to get me posting on the ML,
              >as you know, defaming L'Empereur is one way to do it. I'm with Maior
              >on this (Gods that pains me to say). To say the least, I root for
              >Napoleon and La Grand Armee (or the L'Armee du Nord in Waterloo) in
              >any movie of the period.
              >
              >As several people have noted, Napoleon was more in the vein of Caesar,
              >not a modern dictator in the sense you refer to. Even as emperor he
              >was viewed by many of the peoples of Europe as a liberator. Maior has
              >mentioned the Poles. In the Polish national anthem Napoleon is
              >mentioned even today.
              >
              >The coalition of forces against him, especially England, were not
              >fighting him because they viewed him as a tyrant, they viewed him as a
              >representative of the Revolution and as as threat to the traditional
              >monarchical forces of Europe. England and the others were fighting to
              >make Europe safe for kings--they weren't fighting for liberty.
              >
              >And don't forget, they attacked Napoleon's France, not the other way
              >around. England broke the Peace of Amiens, convinced (paid) the
              >Austrians and Russians to attack, then after they were trounced at
              >Austerlitz, convinced (paid) Prussia to get in the act.
              >
              >That plebiscite you disparage when Napoleon became Emperor gave him
              >more legitimacy than the Czar had, or Emperor Francis of Austria, and
              >even George III never had his reign legitimized by a vote of the people.
              >
              >My friend Albucius is right, there are several of us here quite
              >passionate about this subject--to say the least. ;-)
              >
              >
              >Vale,
              >
              >Palladius
              >
              >--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...> wrote:
              > >
              > > Salve Maior
              > >
              > > "In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
              > > achieved �galit�. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)"
              > >
              > > Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen in
              >"Spartacus" , or
              > > any other
              > > "sword and sandals" movie I can understand. But rooting for the first
              > > modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.
              > >
              > > Vale
              > >
              > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > >From: "Maior" <rory12001@...>
              > > >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > > >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
              > > >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
              > > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000
              > > >
              > > >Maior Albucio Varroni Marinoque spd;
              > > >
              > > >Everyone do please try to understand that Varro comes from
              > > >France which has a long hard-won history of secularism, unlike the
              > > >U.S. Please try to understand our different cultural histories.
              > > >The early american colonies began with religious freedeom: There
              > > >were deists, Catholics, puritans, Jews in the various colonies...
              > > >
              > > >In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
              > > >achieved �galit�. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)
              > > >
              > > >Now as for the gods, I tend to take an atomist view, meaning I
              > > >believe we're all made of energy, humans, trees, gods etc...just as
              > > >there are myriads of humans, so there are myriads of gods.
              > > >
              > > >Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
              > > >Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
              > > >polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
              > > >zoroastrianism and all their gods.
              > > >
              > > >so there are gods, philosophy, and history. It's a fine
              > > >conversation, and we don't need to bandy words like 'bigot' 'racist'
              > > >or 'hate' around. I've experienced it and it's not here. We're
              > > >adults and like good Romans can have a robust discussion. True
              > > >Romans prized free speech.
              > > >bene vale in sapientiam deae Mentis
              > > >M. Hortensia Maior
              > > >
              > > >
              > >
              >
              >