Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Oct 15-21, 2015

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58203 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58204 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58205 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58206 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58207 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58208 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58209 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58210 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Napoleonic reenactment this weekend
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58211 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58212 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 16, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58213 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58214 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58215 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Polytheism & Monotheism
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58216 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58217 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58218 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58219 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58220 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58221 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58222 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58223 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: a. d. XVII Kalendas Novembris: Marcelus contrasted to Flaminius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58224 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58225 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Equus October : conclusion PLEBEIANS !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58226 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58227 From: Ice Hunter Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Candidacy for Tribune of the Plebs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58228 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58229 From: galerius_of_rome Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Announcement as Candidate!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58230 From: Ass.Pomerium Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: a new category of munuments on Signa Romanorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58231 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58232 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: The Lex Popillia Senatoria
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58233 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58234 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58235 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58236 From: hikerbill40 Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58237 From: Marcus Valerius Traianus Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58238 From: R.H.M.C. Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58239 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58240 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58241 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: The Lex Popillia Senatoria
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58242 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58243 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58244 From: hikerbill40 Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58245 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Maximum number of Senators
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58246 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Maximum number of Senators
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58247 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 17, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58248 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Equus October : conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58249 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58250 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58251 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58252 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: a. d. XVI Kalendas Novembris: the Gracchi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58253 From: William J. Dowie Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58254 From: hikerbill40 Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58255 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58256 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58257 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58258 From: mike orley Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58259 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Maximum number of Senators
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58260 From: T. Scribonius Agrippa Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Maximum number of Senators
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58261 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Maximum number of Senators
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58262 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58263 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Women in Nova Roma (was Maximum number of Senators)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58264 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Poplicola's Candidacy for Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58265 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58266 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58267 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Candidate for Censor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58268 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58269 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Quintus Poplicola for Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58270 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58271 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58272 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Women in Nova Roma (was Maximum number of Senators)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58273 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Maximum number of Senators
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58274 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Women in Nova Roma (was Maximum number of Senators)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58275 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Equus October : conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58276 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58277 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Ludi Octbr - Mun. gladiatoria 1st day
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58278 From: geranioj@aol.com Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58279 From: libero Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58280 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58281 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Ludi Octbr - Mun. gladiatoria 1st day
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58282 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58283 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58284 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58285 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58286 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58287 From: C. Marius Lupus Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Artemis Basilia nata est
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58288 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58289 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58290 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58291 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58292 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58293 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58294 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58295 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58296 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58297 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58298 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58299 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58300 From: James V Hooper Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58301 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58302 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: de Aedilitate Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58303 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58304 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-17
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 18, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58305 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58306 From: Jim Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Announcing candidacy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58307 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: a. d. XV Kalendas Novembris: Feriae Janus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58308 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58309 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58310 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58311 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: de Aedilitate Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58313 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Trying to get rid of opponents with unhistorical arguments
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58314 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58315 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] de Aedilitate Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58316 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58317 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Announcing candidacy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58318 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: de Aedilitate Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58319 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58320 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Ludi Octbr - Mun. gladiatoria 2nd day - 2nd round
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58321 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: Ludi Octbr - Mun. glad. 2nd day - SemiFinals
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58322 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Ludi Octbr - Mun. glad. - Finals
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58323 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Agrippa for Tribune
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58324 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58325 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58326 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: de Aedilitate Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58327 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: Ludi Octbr - Mun. glad. - Finals
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58328 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58329 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Candidate for censura.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58330 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58331 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58332 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Fw: [Nova-Roma] theology
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58333 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Citizens, keep your e-mail information up to date!, 10/19/2008, 12:0
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58334 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Castra Romana Nov 14 -16 South Carolina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58335 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58336 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58337 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58338 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: Castra Romana Nov 14 -16 South Carolina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58339 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-18
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58340 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 19, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58341 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: Candidate for censura.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58342 From: Colin Brodd Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: De Candidaturis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58343 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58344 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: De Candidaturis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58345 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: a. d. XIIII Kalendas Novembris: ARMILUSTRIUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58346 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Elections: Titus Iulius Sabinus for Censor !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58347 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58348 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58349 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58350 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58351 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58352 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: Candidate for censura.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58353 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Ludi Octobris closed
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58354 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: Candidate for censura.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58355 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58356 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Re: Elections: Titus Iulius Sabinus for Censor !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58357 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: Sculptors and Architects?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58358 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: File - language.txt
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58359 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2008-10-19
Subject: File - EDICTUM DE SERMONE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58360 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 20, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58361 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: a. d. XIII Kalendas Novembris: Battle of Mylae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58362 From: Avv. Claudio Guzzo Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58363 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58364 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: The Comitia Curiata was convened on 10/03/08. Lictores, perform you
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58365 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: Re: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58366 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: Witnessing appointments of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58367 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: Re: File - language.txt
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58368 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: Re: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58369 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: Re: Candidate for censura.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58370 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: Re: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58371 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: Re: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58372 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: Re: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58373 From: Teleri Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: [NRComitiaCuriata] Witnessing appointments of the Collegium Pontific
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58374 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: Re: Witnessing appointments of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58375 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-10-20
Subject: Witnessing appointments of the Collegium Pontificum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58376 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-21
Subject: Re: M. Valerius Potitus dons the toga for Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58377 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-21
Subject: Today in Roma: Oct 21, 2008.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58378 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-21
Subject: Re: Women in Nova Roma (was Maximum number of Senators)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58379 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-21
Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58203 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Salve Palladius

Amice

I have not defamed L'Empereur I stated an opinion that he was the first
modern dictator.
I believe history shows that he was. While he can be given credit for many
positive things the fact
remains that he was not a democratically elected head of state and that he
took power through the barrel of a gun.

I also never said that I disliked L'Empereur and I have in fact been a
student of the Napoleonic age for many years. He is likeable in many ways
whereas most of his successors (modern dictators) have not been.

I believe that Lord Byron said it best in his Ode to Napoleon when he said

�There was a day -- there was an hour,
While earth was Gaul's -- Gaul thine --
When that immeasurable power
Unsated to resign
Had been an act of purer fame
Than gathers round Marengo's name,
And gilded thy decline,
Through the long twilight of all time,
Despite some passing clouds of crime.

But thou forsooth must be a king,
And don the purple vest,
As if that foolish robe could wring
Remembrance from thy breast.
Where is that faded garment? where
The gewgaws thou wert fond to wear,
The star, the string, the crest?
Vain froward child of empire! say,
Are all thy playthings snatched away?

Where may the wearied eye repose
When gazing on the Great;
Where neither guilty glory glows,
Nor despicable state?
Yes --one--the first--the last--the best--
The Cincinnatus of the West,
Whom envy dared not hate,
Bequeath'd the name of Washington,
To make man blush there was but one! "


Pax

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus






>From: "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:40:14 -0000
>
>
>Salve Pauline,
>
>
>Well, if there's one thing you could say to get me posting on the ML,
>as you know, defaming L'Empereur is one way to do it. I'm with Maior
>on this (Gods that pains me to say). To say the least, I root for
>Napoleon and La Grand Armee (or the L'Armee du Nord in Waterloo) in
>any movie of the period.
>
>As several people have noted, Napoleon was more in the vein of Caesar,
>not a modern dictator in the sense you refer to. Even as emperor he
>was viewed by many of the peoples of Europe as a liberator. Maior has
>mentioned the Poles. In the Polish national anthem Napoleon is
>mentioned even today.
>
>The coalition of forces against him, especially England, were not
>fighting him because they viewed him as a tyrant, they viewed him as a
>representative of the Revolution and as as threat to the traditional
>monarchical forces of Europe. England and the others were fighting to
>make Europe safe for kings--they weren't fighting for liberty.
>
>And don't forget, they attacked Napoleon's France, not the other way
>around. England broke the Peace of Amiens, convinced (paid) the
>Austrians and Russians to attack, then after they were trounced at
>Austerlitz, convinced (paid) Prussia to get in the act.
>
>That plebiscite you disparage when Napoleon became Emperor gave him
>more legitimacy than the Czar had, or Emperor Francis of Austria, and
>even George III never had his reign legitimized by a vote of the people.
>
>My friend Albucius is right, there are several of us here quite
>passionate about this subject--to say the least. ;-)
>
>
>Vale,
>
>Palladius
>
>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Maior
> >
> > "In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
> > achieved �galit�. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)"
> >
> > Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen in
>"Spartacus" , or
> > any other
> > "sword and sandals" movie I can understand. But rooting for the first
> > modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Maior" <rory12001@...>
> > >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
> > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000
> > >
> > >Maior Albucio Varroni Marinoque spd;
> > >
> > >Everyone do please try to understand that Varro comes from
> > >France which has a long hard-won history of secularism, unlike the
> > >U.S. Please try to understand our different cultural histories.
> > >The early american colonies began with religious freedeom: There
> > >were deists, Catholics, puritans, Jews in the various colonies...
> > >
> > >In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
> > >achieved �galit�. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)
> > >
> > >Now as for the gods, I tend to take an atomist view, meaning I
> > >believe we're all made of energy, humans, trees, gods etc...just as
> > >there are myriads of humans, so there are myriads of gods.
> > >
> > >Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
> > >Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
> > >polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
> > >zoroastrianism and all their gods.
> > >
> > >so there are gods, philosophy, and history. It's a fine
> > >conversation, and we don't need to bandy words like 'bigot' 'racist'
> > >or 'hate' around. I've experienced it and it's not here. We're
> > >adults and like good Romans can have a robust discussion. True
> > >Romans prized free speech.
> > >bene vale in sapientiam deae Mentis
> > >M. Hortensia Maior
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58204 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Voice Chat and Forums
Aulus Valerius Barbatus Omnibus S.P.D.

Has anyone setup a voice chat server for nova roma citizens. I know we are from all over the world and speak a number of languages so i guess i'm more specifically asking about one for english speaking citizens. If not i'm willing to setup one. It won't be able to hold hundreds of people or even one hundred but would be a start.

Also I noticed there is no official site with an actual forum. Has anyone setup a forum for nova roma citizens to use in addition to the yahoo groups?

--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58205 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus A. Valerio Barbato S.P.D.

    Welcome to Nova Roma!

    There used to be an IRC-based real-time chat on "Market Days" ("A" in the calendar; the the front page of the wiki for the current letter of the day), but that has gone the way of the dodo. I've tried to be on Skype during Market Days, but I don't always remember. That being said, I have spoken with a few people via Skype and it has been very rewarding. Maybe we can keep encouraging that.

    Optime vale!
 
--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58206 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Salve Pauline,

Sorry, my friend, perhaps defamed was too strong a word. I took
umbrage at the grief you gave Maior for rooting for Napoleon, saying
it was "beyond the pale," when the coalition he fought was as much, if
not more, responsible for those wars which bear his name: the
Napoleonic Wars. Remember, history is written by the victors and we in
the U.S. have been subject to two centuries of propaganda by one of
the victors (with whom we share a common language).

No, he was not a democratically elected head of state but the fact
remains neither was any other European head of state, so it's hard to
fault Napoleon for seizing control on 18 Brumaire. Frankly, France
was better off for his coup d'etat but the monarchs could not leave
things alone. Their actions and intrigues on his life in the years
after that *made* him emperor, when he probably would have happily
remained consul. Because of France's location and enemies on all
sides, he never had the chance to lay down power like Washington did.
You may say he would never have done it but we'll never know for certain.

Vive L'Empereur!

Vale,

Palladius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Palladius
>
> Amice
>
> I have not defamed L'Empereur I stated an opinion that he was the
first
> modern dictator.
> I believe history shows that he was. While he can be given credit
for many
> positive things the fact
> remains that he was not a democratically elected head of state and
that he
> took power through the barrel of a gun.
>
> I also never said that I disliked L'Empereur and I have in fact been a
> student of the Napoleonic age for many years. He is likeable in many
ways
> whereas most of his successors (modern dictators) have not been.
>
> I believe that Lord Byron said it best in his Ode to Napoleon when
he said
>
> "There was a day -- there was an hour,
> While earth was Gaul's -- Gaul thine --
> When that immeasurable power
> Unsated to resign
> Had been an act of purer fame
> Than gathers round Marengo's name,
> And gilded thy decline,
> Through the long twilight of all time,
> Despite some passing clouds of crime.
>
> But thou forsooth must be a king,
> And don the purple vest,
> As if that foolish robe could wring
> Remembrance from thy breast.
> Where is that faded garment? where
> The gewgaws thou wert fond to wear,
> The star, the string, the crest?
> Vain froward child of empire! say,
> Are all thy playthings snatched away?
>
> Where may the wearied eye repose
> When gazing on the Great;
> Where neither guilty glory glows,
> Nor despicable state?
> Yes --one--the first--the last--the best--
> The Cincinnatus of the West,
> Whom envy dared not hate,
> Bequeath'd the name of Washington,
> To make man blush there was but one! "
>
>
> Pax
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@...>
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
> >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:40:14 -0000
> >
> >
> >Salve Pauline,
> >
> >
> >Well, if there's one thing you could say to get me posting on the ML,
> >as you know, defaming L'Empereur is one way to do it. I'm with Maior
> >on this (Gods that pains me to say). To say the least, I root for
> >Napoleon and La Grand Armee (or the L'Armee du Nord in Waterloo) in
> >any movie of the period.
> >
> >As several people have noted, Napoleon was more in the vein of Caesar,
> >not a modern dictator in the sense you refer to. Even as emperor he
> >was viewed by many of the peoples of Europe as a liberator. Maior has
> >mentioned the Poles. In the Polish national anthem Napoleon is
> >mentioned even today.
> >
> >The coalition of forces against him, especially England, were not
> >fighting him because they viewed him as a tyrant, they viewed him as a
> >representative of the Revolution and as as threat to the traditional
> >monarchical forces of Europe. England and the others were fighting to
> >make Europe safe for kings--they weren't fighting for liberty.
> >
> >And don't forget, they attacked Napoleon's France, not the other way
> >around. England broke the Peace of Amiens, convinced (paid) the
> >Austrians and Russians to attack, then after they were trounced at
> >Austerlitz, convinced (paid) Prussia to get in the act.
> >
> >That plebiscite you disparage when Napoleon became Emperor gave him
> >more legitimacy than the Czar had, or Emperor Francis of Austria, and
> >even George III never had his reign legitimized by a vote of the
people.
> >
> >My friend Albucius is right, there are several of us here quite
> >passionate about this subject--to say the least. ;-)
> >
> >
> >Vale,
> >
> >Palladius
> >
> >--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Maior
> > >
> > > "In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
> > > achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)"
> > >
> > > Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen in
> >"Spartacus" , or
> > > any other
> > > "sword and sandals" movie I can understand. But rooting for the
first
> > > modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Maior" <rory12001@>
> > > >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC
CONTRADDICTION!
> > > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Maior Albucio Varroni Marinoque spd;
> > > >
> > > >Everyone do please try to understand that Varro comes from
> > > >France which has a long hard-won history of secularism, unlike the
> > > >U.S. Please try to understand our different cultural histories.
> > > >The early american colonies began with religious freedeom: There
> > > >were deists, Catholics, puritans, Jews in the various colonies...
> > > >
> > > >In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
> > > >achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)
> > > >
> > > >Now as for the gods, I tend to take an atomist view, meaning I
> > > >believe we're all made of energy, humans, trees, gods etc...just as
> > > >there are myriads of humans, so there are myriads of gods.
> > > >
> > > >Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
> > > >Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
> > > >polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
> > > >zoroastrianism and all their gods.
> > > >
> > > >so there are gods, philosophy, and history. It's a fine
> > > >conversation, and we don't need to bandy words like 'bigot'
'racist'
> > > >or 'hate' around. I've experienced it and it's not here. We're
> > > >adults and like good Romans can have a robust discussion. True
> > > >Romans prized free speech.
> > > >bene vale in sapientiam deae Mentis
> > > >M. Hortensia Maior
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58207 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Salve,

No voice chat that I know of. I have vent and skype though. Regarding the forums, they don't have one, and I've said a few times that it would be better to have a php forum than this horrible yahoo group. Nothing changes though. Even with my own province, I have implemented a php forum, yet most can't let go of the yahoo group, and only a few post in the forums. Feel free to join my forum and chat away if you like. http://novabritannia.org/forum

skype: ciarin

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
Aulus Valerius Barbatus Omnibus S.P.D.

Has anyone setup a voice chat server for nova roma citizens. I know we are from all over the world and speak a number of languages so i guess i'm more specifically asking about one for english speaking citizens. If not i'm willing to setup one. It won't be able to hold hundreds of people or even one hundred but would be a start.

Also I noticed there is no official site with an actual forum. Has anyone setup a forum for nova roma citizens to use in addition to the yahoo groups?

--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58208 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
A. Valerio Barbato Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Omnibusque

Well if we can make it known to everyone to use i can setup a teamspeak server that everyone can login to.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus A. Valerio Barbato S.P.D.

    Welcome to Nova Roma!

    There used to be an IRC-based real-time chat on "Market Days" ("A" in the calendar; the the front page of the wiki for the current letter of the day), but that has gone the way of the dodo. I've tried to be on Skype during Market Days, but I don't always remember. That being said, I have spoken with a few people via Skype and it has been very rewarding. Maybe we can keep encouraging that.

    Optime vale!
 
--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com





--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58209 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
A. Valerio Barbato Annia Minucia Marcella Omnibisque

Well we need to get a link to the fourm added to the wiki under the forum section they have there. Even if Nova Roma doesn't want to create there own php forum they could at least link to unofficial member forums. It looks like your site is is for your province. I was hoping to find a generic forum for everyone.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve,

No voice chat that I know of. I have vent and skype though. Regarding the forums, they don't have one, and I've said a few times that it would be better to have a php forum than this horrible yahoo group. Nothing changes though. Even with my own province, I have implemented a php forum, yet most can't let go of the yahoo group, and only a few post in the forums. Feel free to join my forum and chat away if you like. http://novabritannia.org/forum

skype: ciarin

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
Aulus Valerius Barbatus Omnibus S.P.D.

Has anyone setup a voice chat server for nova roma citizens. I know we are from all over the world and speak a number of languages so i guess i'm more specifically asking about one for english speaking citizens. If not i'm willing to setup one. It won't be able to hold hundreds of people or even one hundred but would be a start.

Also I noticed there is no official site with an actual forum. Has anyone setup a forum for nova roma citizens to use in addition to the yahoo groups?

--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58210 From: deciusiunius Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Napoleonic reenactment this weekend
Salvete cives,

For those of you in the Maryland/D.C. area, there will be a Napoleonic
reenactment sponsored by the Brigade Napoleon at Rosaryville State
Park in Maryland, Sat. from 11-5 and Sun. 11-3. I will be
participating as a member of the 3ème Régiment d'Infanterie de Ligne,
in case any Nova Romans want to stop by (I'm sure Paulinus and I will
be continuing our discussion there). Look for the French flags and the
3ème's Eagle. My nom de guerre in the unit is La Plume.

Valete,

Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58211 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Salve,

It's pretty hard to do anything around here with it getting the official blessing. I won't be against an unofficial forums though. If you want I could even set it up and run it. Just get me a domain name.
Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerio Barbato Annia Minucia Marcella Omnibisque

Well we need to get a link to the fourm added to the wiki under the forum section they have there. Even if Nova Roma doesn't want to create there own php forum they could at least link to unofficial member forums. It looks like your site is is for your province. I was hoping to find a generic forum for everyone.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@ciarin. com> wrote:

Salve,

No voice chat that I know of. I have vent and skype though. Regarding the forums, they don't have one, and I've said a few times that it would be better to have a php forum than this horrible yahoo group. Nothing changes though. Even with my own province, I have implemented a php forum, yet most can't let go of the yahoo group, and only a few post in the forums. Feel free to join my forum and chat away if you like. http://novabritanni a.org/forum

skype: ciarin

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritanni a.org
http://myspace. com/novabritanni a
http://ciarin. com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
Aulus Valerius Barbatus Omnibus S.P.D.

Has anyone setup a voice chat server for nova roma citizens. I know we are from all over the world and speak a number of languages so i guess i'm more specifically asking about one for english speaking citizens. If not i'm willing to setup one. It won't be able to hold hundreds of people or even one hundred but would be a start.

Also I noticed there is no official site with an actual forum. Has anyone setup a forum for nova roma citizens to use in addition to the yahoo groups?

--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58212 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 16, 2008.
C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,
 
Today in Rome :
 
(Julian day : 2 454 756).
 
A. d. XVII Kalendas Novembres
MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio
 
Day of the week : Iovis dies (Thursday).
 
Lunaris dies: XVIII .
Nundinal letter : A.
 
Mars and Venus are together in the Libra.
 
Hora ortus Solis : 07:24.
Hora occasus Solis : 18h25.
Temp. Min. : 12° C.
Temp. Max. : 17° C.
Wind on Rome : 6 Km/h.
Weather : More sun than clouds. Mild.
 
Horae diei :
 
I: 07:24 - 08:10 Solis hora.
II: 08:10 - 08:56 Veneris hora.
III: 08:56 - 09:42 Mercurii hora.
IV: 09:42 - 10:28 Lunae hora.
V: 10:28 - 11:14 Saturni hora.
VI: 11:14 - 12:00 Iovis hora.
VII: 12:00 - 13:04 Martis hora.
VIII: 13:04 - 14:08 Solis hora.
IX: 14:08 - 15:12 Veneris hora.
X: 15:12 - 16:16 Mercurii hora.
XI: 16:16 - 17:20 Lunae hora.
XII: 17:20 - 18:25 Saturni hora.
 
Horae noctis :
 
I: 18:25 - 19:21 Iovis hora.
II: 19:21 - 20:17 Martis hora.
III: 20:17 - 21:13 Solis hora.
IV: 21:13 - 22:09 Veneris hora.
V: 22:09 - 23:05 Mercurii hora.
VI: 23:05 - 00:00 Lunae hora.
VII: 00:00 - 01:14 Saturni hora.
VIII: 01:14 - 02:28 Iovis hora.
IX: 02:28 - 03:42 Martis hora.
X: 03:42 - 04:56 Solis hora.
XI: 04:56 - 06:10 Veneris hora.
XII: 06:10 - 07:25 Mercurii hora.
 
Faustus vobis hic dies sit.
 
Valete.
 
C. Petronius Dexter.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58213 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-15
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Salve Pauline et Palladi:
Catherine the Great of Russia was probably the first modern
dictator, as she seized power in a coup, and as merely the wife of
Tsar Peter III (she was born Sophia of Anhalt-Zerbst) had no right
whatsover to the throne. She had absolute power in Russia. And never
held a plebiscite.

As for Paulinus' statement to me: "rooting for the first modern
dictator is a little beyond the pale."

Actually I root for Napoleon because he ended the Pale. The Pale of
Settlement is the area that Jews were restricted to live in Western
Russia (which included Poland)
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsi/pale.htm

valete
Maior


>
> Salve Palladius
>
> Amice
>
> I have not defamed L'Empereur I stated an opinion that he was
the first
> modern dictator.
> I believe history shows that he was. While he can be given credit
for many
> positive things the fact
> remains that he was not a democratically elected head of state and
that he
> took power through the barrel of a gun.
>
> I also never said that I disliked L'Empereur and I have in fact
been a
> student of the Napoleonic age for many years. He is likeable in
many ways
> whereas most of his successors (modern dictators) have not been.
>
> I believe that Lord Byron said it best in his Ode to Napoleon when
he said
>
> "There was a day -- there was an hour,
> While earth was Gaul's -- Gaul thine --
> When that immeasurable power
> Unsated to resign
> Had been an act of purer fame
> Than gathers round Marengo's name,
> And gilded thy decline,
> Through the long twilight of all time,
> Despite some passing clouds of crime.
>
> But thou forsooth must be a king,
> And don the purple vest,
> As if that foolish robe could wring
> Remembrance from thy breast.
> Where is that faded garment? where
> The gewgaws thou wert fond to wear,
> The star, the string, the crest?
> Vain froward child of empire! say,
> Are all thy playthings snatched away?
>
> Where may the wearied eye repose
> When gazing on the Great;
> Where neither guilty glory glows,
> Nor despicable state?
> Yes --one--the first--the last--the best--
> The Cincinnatus of the West,
> Whom envy dared not hate,
> Bequeath'd the name of Washington,
> To make man blush there was but one! "
>
>
> Pax
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@...>
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
> >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:40:14 -0000
> >
> >
> >Salve Pauline,
> >
> >
> >Well, if there's one thing you could say to get me posting on the
ML,
> >as you know, defaming L'Empereur is one way to do it. I'm with
Maior
> >on this (Gods that pains me to say). To say the least, I root for
> >Napoleon and La Grand Armee (or the L'Armee du Nord in Waterloo)
in
> >any movie of the period.
> >
> >As several people have noted, Napoleon was more in the vein of
Caesar,
> >not a modern dictator in the sense you refer to. Even as emperor
he
> >was viewed by many of the peoples of Europe as a liberator. Maior
has
> >mentioned the Poles. In the Polish national anthem Napoleon is
> >mentioned even today.
> >
> >The coalition of forces against him, especially England, were not
> >fighting him because they viewed him as a tyrant, they viewed him
as a
> >representative of the Revolution and as as threat to the
traditional
> >monarchical forces of Europe. England and the others were
fighting to
> >make Europe safe for kings--they weren't fighting for liberty.
> >
> >And don't forget, they attacked Napoleon's France, not the other
way
> >around. England broke the Peace of Amiens, convinced (paid) the
> >Austrians and Russians to attack, then after they were trounced at
> >Austerlitz, convinced (paid) Prussia to get in the act.
> >
> >That plebiscite you disparage when Napoleon became Emperor gave
him
> >more legitimacy than the Czar had, or Emperor Francis of Austria,
and
> >even George III never had his reign legitimized by a vote of the
people.
> >
> >My friend Albucius is right, there are several of us here quite
> >passionate about this subject--to say the least. ;-)
> >
> >
> >Vale,
> >
> >Palladius
> >
> >--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Maior
> > >
> > > "In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
> > > achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)"
> > >
> > > Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen in
> >"Spartacus" , or
> > > any other
> > > "sword and sandals" movie I can understand. But rooting for
the first
> > > modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Maior" <rory12001@>
> > > >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC
CONTRADDICTION!
> > > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Maior Albucio Varroni Marinoque spd;
> > > >
> > > >Everyone do please try to understand that Varro comes from
> > > >France which has a long hard-won history of secularism,
unlike the
> > > >U.S. Please try to understand our different cultural
histories.
> > > >The early american colonies began with religious freedeom:
There
> > > >were deists, Catholics, puritans, Jews in the various
colonies...
> > > >
> > > >In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
> > > >achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)
> > > >
> > > >Now as for the gods, I tend to take an atomist view, meaning I
> > > >believe we're all made of energy, humans, trees, gods
etc...just as
> > > >there are myriads of humans, so there are myriads of gods.
> > > >
> > > >Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of
the
> > > >Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
> > > >polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
> > > >zoroastrianism and all their gods.
> > > >
> > > >so there are gods, philosophy, and history. It's a fine
> > > >conversation, and we don't need to bandy words
like 'bigot' 'racist'
> > > >or 'hate' around. I've experienced it and it's not here. We're
> > > >adults and like good Romans can have a robust discussion. True
> > > >Romans prized free speech.
> > > >bene vale in sapientiam deae Mentis
> > > >M. Hortensia Maior
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58214 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus S.P.D.

    I know there are some who intensely dislike the Yahoo groups (including me). Hopefully they will be replaced once Nova Roma has a larger IT team. I don't think that it can be done with only the few people currently involved. In this case, I don't believe that it is some sort of "obstruction from on high", but instead a simple lack of effort and availability of energy.

Optime valete!
 
--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58215 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Polytheism & Monotheism
Salve Maior!

Yes Kinglsey's book is also an interesting book, one of many, thank
you for posting the resource! An older book and a scholarly
compilation, not in the modern sense, is the Pythagorean Sourcebook
which is a good addition to one's library.

Very interesting also about your experience with Tendai, and the
shamanistic aspect s not at all surprising as much of Buddhism is
shamanistic. Buddhists have a very different concept of what god is
and its origins and it is unlike the mainstream Western concept. This
does not negate the reality or "realness" of a deity and is why
Western psychologists and philosophers have delved deeply into the
Buddhist concepts in search of that understanding. The World Buddhist
Sangha Council in 1966 made it is mission to enlighten the West
regarding the nature of their belief for which they have no single
word for believing that all various phenomena that exists derives
from one reality which has a common nature not located in time or
place but English speaking people relate better to the term god than
to samata. In the Nyingma tradition when the Khenpo Rinpoches relay
the oral teachings in English they use the word god, but moreover
they use the terms for the particular emanations. When asked if they
are real, they will say they are very real. But reality is not the
issue, the basic understanding is. Regardless god is still left up to
interpretation and is a very personal concept and it is everyone's
right to perceive, or not perceive, god or gods as they wish.
I do hope to have the opportunity to sit down with you and discuss
this at length, it should be very enjoyable.

I am in full agreement that Roman's prized free speech even if
history did not always record it as such for all. *laughs* Being
Roman, not just by citizenry but by also by ancestry, coupled with
the invitation of free speech I felt free to expound on your
statement for those who may not have the resources that you and I
have had the privilege of. I am also a great supporter of freedom of
beliefs and respect your right and anyone else's, to have their own
personal beliefs.

Optime vale

L. Julia Aquila



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Salve Aquila,
> please just call me 'Maior' I suggest you read Philip Kingsley's
> "Ancient Philosophy, Mystery and Magic" Cambridge University Press
a
> very fascinating scholarly work -all about pythagoreanism.
>
> As for buddhism, in 2004, I trained for 2 summers as a Tendai
> priest, a 1,000 year old Japanese esoteric buddhist sect. I asked
> the 30 year old Japanese priest, if he saw Fudo Myo ( a god) as a
> real being and he replied 'yes, absolutely' he did. He saw him as
> coming out of the divine energy,. He invoked Fudo Myo, rather like
a
> shaman & assured me he could give you riches, anything you want.
>
> As for everything else, we're Romans here, and Romans prized free
> speech. If anyone's super sensitive, there is New Romans. It's
> unRoman to behave otherwise & Nova Roma is all about romanitas.
> optime vale
> M.Hortensia Maior
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila"
> <dis_pensible@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve omnes,
> >
> > Our venerable Senatrix and Flaminica Carmentalis M. Hortensia
> Maior
> > offered an interesting comment that actually outlines some
> > fascinating information that deserves to be expounded on for the
> > benefit of all interested in Religio Romana or polytheism in
> general.
> > This astute comment was in response to the most
recent "religious"
> > thread:
> >
> > ""Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
> > Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
> > polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
> > zoroastrianism and all their gods.""
> >
> > For the discernment of the honorable citizens of Nova Roma:
> > Jung believed at one point in his career that the "God concept"
> was
> > dead. Jung also rejected polytheism believing that the imago dei
> is
> > not just a reflection of the unconscious and all of its
archetypes
> > (see "Transcendental function") but of a very specific archetype;
> > the self. In this respect then, according to Jung, polytheism
> indeed
> > has "tendencies" to monotheism, another reflection of self. In
> > addition to quote Jung; "The concreteness of man's ultimate
> concern
> > drives him towards polytheistic structures; the reaction of the
> > absolute element against these drives him towards monotheistic
> > structures; and the need for a balance between the concrete and
> the
> > absolute drives him towards Trinitarian structures." Trinitarian
> > structures are monotheistic, or Christian. I maintain that
> > Christianity never left its polytheistic roots behind and it is a
> > prime example of the Hermetic meta-magical concept of the
> Egregore:
> > word/thought creates form or more aptly "thought form".
> > As for Buddhism, particularly Tibetan Buddhism they do not
> > have "gods' as other religions do, partially because they do not
> > consider themselves a religion, but a philosophy. The Buddhist
> Monks
> > have found the term "gods" easier for the English speaking people
> > to begin to grasp what their assertion of what "god" is. Jung
also
> > did much study on this and I concur through my own extensive
> > affiliation with Buddhism. To quote Jung: "The gods of Tibetan
> > Buddhism belong to the sphere of illusionary separateness and
mind-
> > created projections, and yet they exist; but as far as we are
> > concerned an illusion remains an illusion, and thus it is nothing
> at
> > all." This is in concert with the Buddhist concept of illusion
and
> > deities: god = the archetype of self.
> > As for Pythagoras, I hardly have time to go into his Divine Monad
> but
> > in relation to the above the divine number three symbolizes
> > perfection and completion (the origin of the Trinity ring any
> bells?)
> > in which is found the beginning, the middle and the end. Plato in
> > his "Timaus", speaking as Timaus, supports the trinity
> > also "Wherefore also God in the beginning of creation made the
> body
> > of the universe to consist of fire and earth. But two things
> cannot
> > be rightly put together without a third; there must be some bond
> of
> > union between them. And the fairest bond is that which makes the
> most
> > complete fusion of itself and the things which it combines; and
> > proportion is best adapted to effect such a union. For whenever
in
> > any three numbers, whether cube or square, there is a mean, which
> is
> > to the last term what the first term is to it; and again, when
the
> > mean is to the first term as the last term is to the mean-then
the
> > mean becoming first and last, and the first and last both
becoming
> > means, they will all of them of necessity come to be the same,
and
> > having become the same with one another will be all one. If the
> > universal frame had been created a surface only and having no
> depth,
> > a single mean would have sufficed to bind together itself and the
> > other terms; but now, as the world must be solid, and solid
bodies
> > are always compacted not by one mean but by two, God placed water
> and
> > air in the mean between fire and earth, and made them to have the
> > same proportion so far as was possible (as fire is to air so is
> air
> > to water, and as air is to water so is water to earth); and thus
> he
> > bound and put together a visible and tangible heaven." This
> dialogue
> > was translated by the Republic's own Cicero, to whom I extend
> thanks
> > very posthumously.*laughs* Moreover Plato's dialogue (360 BCE)
> > demonstrates the relation of monotheism and polytheism. Look it
> up,
> > it is an easy and fascinating read that not only incorporates the
> > elements and it is influenced by Pythagorean thought. I will add
> that
> > no true (there are many fakes) texts from Pythagoras survive
today
> so
> > another round of posthumous thanks for those such as Plato (and
> even
> > Ovidus) who passed on his teachings. Interesting and fervent
> > discussions on Pythagoras are also found in today's Mystery
> > or "secret" Orders which are an extension of their ancient
> > counterparts. I suggest a good discourse on Pythagoras which
> relates
> > to Religio Romana, to read be found at this link:
> > http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta16.htm
> >
> > Curate ut valeatis, omnes!
> >
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58216 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Napoleon
Ave Palladi,

In fact Napoleon was emperor, but revolutionary emperor. His army was
the republican soldiers of the Revolution, all his generals and
marechals were former revolutionary officers... The ideas that this
army accross European monarchies were the Revolution's ideas:
Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité.

Before Napoleon was the general Bonaparte, a general of the Republic
with others friends/rivals like Marceau, Hoche,... all very youngs
generals of the Republic and fighting against the armies of the
European Monarchs and English money. Many of them died very young.

When Napoleon took the power as first consul and after as emperor,
the Republic was in the hands of corrupted politics. Robespierre, the
untouchable (Incorruptible), and his party was deleted
and "guillotined" in 1794.
Napoleon was also the heir of this party.

But he was very egotic and he made himself emperor. Nevertheless, he
and his army spread the Republican virtues accross the old and
monarchical Europe.

And, perhaps, if England has till a monarchy, it is because Napoleon
never could croos the Channel and invade Great-Britain.;o)

Vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58217 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
A. Valerio Barbato Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus S.P.D.

True but setting up the forum wouldn't take that much effort and I would even be willing to do most of that work. The thing that would take the most time is moderating it but with a few devoted people I'm sure it could we could do a good job at that.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus S.P.D.

    I know there are some who intensely dislike the Yahoo groups (including me). Hopefully they will be replaced once Nova Roma has a larger IT team. I don't think that it can be done with only the few people currently involved. In this case, I don't believe that it is some sort of "obstruction from on high", but instead a simple lack of effort and availability of energy.

Optime valete!

 
--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com






--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58218 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
A. Valerius Barbatus Annia Minucia Marcella S.P.D.

I was also thinking of setting one up myself. I really like the SMF forums and was thinking of installing there new version that is still in beta. It's close to release now. Domain name's are cheap i'm just not sure what to call it. How about we set one up together?

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve,

It's pretty hard to do anything around here with it getting the official blessing. I won't be against an unofficial forums though. If you want I could even set it up and run it. Just get me a domain name.


Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerio Barbato Annia Minucia Marcella Omnibisque

Well we need to get a link to the fourm added to the wiki under the forum section they have there. Even if Nova Roma doesn't want to create there own php forum they could at least link to unofficial member forums. It looks like your site is is for your province. I was hoping to find a generic forum for everyone.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve,

No voice chat that I know of. I have vent and skype though. Regarding the forums, they don't have one, and I've said a few times that it would be better to have a php forum than this horrible yahoo group. Nothing changes though. Even with my own province, I have implemented a php forum, yet most can't let go of the yahoo group, and only a few post in the forums. Feel free to join my forum and chat away if you like. http://novabritannia.org/forum

skype: ciarin

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
Aulus Valerius Barbatus Omnibus S.P.D.

Has anyone setup a voice chat server for nova roma citizens. I know we are from all over the world and speak a number of languages so i guess i'm more specifically asking about one for english speaking citizens. If not i'm willing to setup one. It won't be able to hold hundreds of people or even one hundred but would be a start.

Also I noticed there is no official site with an actual forum. Has anyone setup a forum for nova roma citizens to use in addition to the yahoo groups?

--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58219 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Salve,

I am not very techy but if there is something I can do to help please
let me know. Energy I have;)
Yahoo is sometimes hard to follow but I am getting used to it. I ave
a private family group on msn and I like the format much better and
it too is free, however there seems to be a disdain for anything msn
by tech people. *laughs* But...the threads are easy to follow and if
I am correct, 50 threads are displayed on the first page so chances
of a recent thread getting lost is low.
Just my two cents, and I know in today's market, that isn't much!

Vale!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
<cn.caelius@...> wrote:
>
> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus S.P.D.
>
> I know there are some who intensely dislike the Yahoo groups
(including me). Hopefully they will be replaced once Nova Roma has a
larger IT team. I don't think that it can be done with only the few
people currently involved. In this case, I don't believe that it is
some sort of "obstruction from on high", but instead a simple lack of
effort and availability of energy.
>
> Optime valete!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
> Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58220 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
M. Lucretius Agricola Omnnibus S.P.D.

Nova Roma citizens with relevant experience and expertise and who are
willing to make a long term volunteer commitment should contact me by
making a private reply to this message or by sending a message via the
contact page http://www.novaroma.org/bin/contact to "webmaster".

Let me know what your specific background or skill set is, and what
you are interested in doing.

optime valete in cura deorum



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Denzel Holmes" <eagled2@...> wrote:
>
> Aulus Valerius Barbatus Omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Has anyone setup a voice chat server for nova roma citizens. I know
we are
> from all over the world and speak a number of languages so i guess
i'm more
> specifically asking about one for english speaking citizens. If not i'm
> willing to setup one. It won't be able to hold hundreds of people or
even
> one hundred but would be a start.
>
> Also I noticed there is no official site with an actual forum. Has
anyone
> setup a forum for nova roma citizens to use in addition to the yahoo
groups?
>
> --
> Di te incolumem custodiant!
> (May the Gods keep you safe!)
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58221 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Salve,

Something like this? It's phpBB. I could also create a demo of SMF if you prefer.

http://ciarin.com/nrforums/
Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerius Barbatus Annia Minucia Marcella S.P.D.

I was also thinking of setting one up myself. I really like the SMF forums and was thinking of installing there new version that is still in beta. It's close to release now. Domain name's are cheap i'm just not sure what to call it. How about we set one up together?

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@ciarin. com> wrote:

Salve,

It's pretty hard to do anything around here with it getting the official blessing. I won't be against an unofficial forums though. If you want I could even set it up and run it. Just get me a domain name.


Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritanni a.org
http://myspace. com/novabritanni a
http://ciarin. com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerio Barbato Annia Minucia Marcella Omnibisque

Well we need to get a link to the fourm added to the wiki under the forum section they have there. Even if Nova Roma doesn't want to create there own php forum they could at least link to unofficial member forums. It looks like your site is is for your province. I was hoping to find a generic forum for everyone.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@ciarin. com> wrote:

Salve,

No voice chat that I know of. I have vent and skype though. Regarding the forums, they don't have one, and I've said a few times that it would be better to have a php forum than this horrible yahoo group. Nothing changes though. Even with my own province, I have implemented a php forum, yet most can't let go of the yahoo group, and only a few post in the forums. Feel free to join my forum and chat away if you like. http://novabritanni a.org/forum

skype: ciarin

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritanni a.org
http://myspace. com/novabritanni a
http://ciarin. com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
Aulus Valerius Barbatus Omnibus S.P.D.

Has anyone setup a voice chat server for nova roma citizens. I know we are from all over the world and speak a number of languages so i guess i'm more specifically asking about one for english speaking citizens. If not i'm willing to setup one. It won't be able to hold hundreds of people or even one hundred but would be a start.

Also I noticed there is no official site with an actual forum. Has anyone setup a forum for nova roma citizens to use in addition to the yahoo groups?

--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58222 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
A. Valerius Barbatus Annia Minucia Marcella S.P.D.

Ya that's what i'm referring to. No need for an smf demo i'm familiar with what it looks like as i've installed it on some of my own sites.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve,

Something like this? It's phpBB. I could also create a demo of SMF if you prefer.

http://ciarin.com/nrforums/

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerius Barbatus Annia Minucia Marcella S.P.D.

I was also thinking of setting one up myself. I really like the SMF forums and was thinking of installing there new version that is still in beta. It's close to release now. Domain name's are cheap i'm just not sure what to call it. How about we set one up together?

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve,

It's pretty hard to do anything around here with it getting the official blessing. I won't be against an unofficial forums though. If you want I could even set it up and run it. Just get me a domain name.


Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerio Barbato Annia Minucia Marcella Omnibisque

Well we need to get a link to the fourm added to the wiki under the forum section they have there. Even if Nova Roma doesn't want to create there own php forum they could at least link to unofficial member forums. It looks like your site is is for your province. I was hoping to find a generic forum for everyone.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve,

No voice chat that I know of. I have vent and skype though. Regarding the forums, they don't have one, and I've said a few times that it would be better to have a php forum than this horrible yahoo group. Nothing changes though. Even with my own province, I have implemented a php forum, yet most can't let go of the yahoo group, and only a few post in the forums. Feel free to join my forum and chat away if you like. http://novabritannia.org/forum

skype: ciarin

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
Aulus Valerius Barbatus Omnibus S.P.D.

Has anyone setup a voice chat server for nova roma citizens. I know we are from all over the world and speak a number of languages so i guess i'm more specifically asking about one for english speaking citizens. If not i'm willing to setup one. It won't be able to hold hundreds of people or even one hundred but would be a start.

Also I noticed there is no official site with an actual forum. Has anyone setup a forum for nova roma citizens to use in addition to the yahoo groups?

--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58223 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: a. d. XVII Kalendas Novembris: Marcelus contrasted to Flaminius
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos inculumes custodiant.

Hodie est ante diem XVII Kalendas Novembris; haec dies fastus aterque
est.

Rise of the Suculae at evening: When the skies are equally bright
through their whole expanseÂ… the ensuing autumn will be fine and cool
(Pliny Nat. Hist. 18.80


AUC 547 / 206 BCE

"No wonder therefore if the indulgence of the Gods has persisted,
ever watchful to augment and protect an imperial power by which even
minor items of religious significance are seen to be weighted with
such scrupulous care; for never should our civitas be thought to have
averted its eyes from the most meticulous practice of religious
observances. In which community, when M. Marcellus, who first took
Clastidium and then Syracusa, desired in his fifth Consulship to
consecrate a temple to Honor and Virtue in due discharge of vows
taken, he was obstructed by the Collegium of Pontifices on the ground
that a single sanctuary could not properly be dedicated to two
deities, arguing that if some prodigy were to occur therein, it would
be impossible to determine to which of the two an expiatory ceremony
should be performed and that it was not customary to sacrifice to two
deities at once, with certain exceptions. The pontifical admonition
resulted in Marcellus placing images of Honor and Virtue in two
different shrines. Thus neither the authority of so great a man
weighed with the Collegium Pontificum nor the additional expense with
Marcellus so as to interfere with due course and due observance
rendered in matters of religion." ~ Valerius Maximus 1.1.8

"Marcellus was detained by religious difficulties which one after
another presented themselves. In the war with the Gauls he had vowed
during the battle of Clastidium a temple to Honos and Virtus, but he
was prevented from dedicating it by the pontiffs. They said that one
shrine could not be lawfully dedicated to two deities, because in
case it were struck by lightning, or some other portent occurred in
it, there would be a difficulty about the expiation, since it could
not be known which deity was to be propitiated; one victim could not
be sacrificed to two deities except in the case of certain specified
deities. A second temple was hastily built to Virtus, but this was
not dedicated by Marcellus." ~ Livy 27.25.7-10


In contrast was the example of Flaminius who neglected his religious
responsibilities as consul.

AUC 536 / 217 BCE

"(C. Flaminius) left the City secretly as a private individual and so
reached his province. When this got abroad there was a fresh outburst
of indignation on the part of the incensed senate; they declared that
he was carrying on war not only with the senate but even with the
immortal gods. 'On the former occasion,' they said, 'when he was
elected consul against the auspices and we recalled him from the very
field of battle, he was disobedient to Gods and men. Now he is
conscious that he has despised them and has fled from the Capitol and
the customary recital of solemn vows. He refuses to approach the
temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus on the day of his entrance upon
office, to see and consult the Senate, to whom he is so odious and
whom he alone of all men detests, to proclaim the Latin festival and
offer sacrifice to Jupiter Latiaris on the Alban Mount, to proceed to
the Capitol and after duly taking the auspices recite the prescribed
vows, and from thence, vested in the paludamentum and escorted by
lictors, go in state to his province. He has stolen away furtively
without his insignia of office, without his lictors, just as though
he were some menial employed in the camp and had quitted his native
soil to go into exile. He thinks it, forsooth, more consonant with
the greatness of his office to enter upon it at Ariminum rather than
in Rome, and to put on his official dress in some wayside inn rather
than at his own hearth and in the presence of his own household
Gods.' It was unanimously decided that he should be recalled, brought
back if need be by force, and compelled to discharge, on the spot,
all the duties he owed to the Gods and men before he went to the army
and to his province. Q. Terentius and M. Antistius were delegated for
this task, but they had no more influence with him than the dispatch
of the Senate in his former consulship. A few days afterwards he
entered upon office, and whilst offering his sacrifice, the calf,
after it was struck, bounded away out of the hands of the sacrificing
priests and bespattered many of the bystanders with its blood.
Amongst those at a distance from the altar who did not know what the
commotion was about there was great excitement; most people regarded
it as a most alarming omen." (This led to the disaster at Lake
Trasimene.) ~ Livy 21.63


Surus: Hannibal's Elephant

"Cato, in his Annals, while he has passed over in silence the names
of the generals, has given that of an elephant called Surus, which
fought with the greatest valor in the Carthaginian army, and had lost
one of its tusks." ~ G. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 8.11

Hannibal first crossed the Alps with thirty-seven North African
elephants. They fought at his first engagement in Italy, at the
Battle of Trebbia. In the midst of that battle the weather turned
cold and rainy, and by the end of the battle it was also snowing.
This bode ill of things to come as all of his elephants save one died
in the harsh winter that followed. This one elephant, with only one
tusk, who was named Surus, was adopted by Hannibal as his command
animal. Surus was the only elephant at the Battle of Lake Trasimene
in the year after Hannibal arrived in Italy. He was to gain great
fame, as was his rider.

"Elephants, when tamed, are employed in war, and carry into the ranks
of the enemy towers filled with armed men; and on them, in a very
great measure, depends the ultimate result of the battles that are
fought in the East. They tread under foot whole companies, and crush
the men in their armor. The very least sound, however, of the
grunting of the hog terrifies them: when wounded and panic-stricken,
they invariably fall back, and become no less formidable for the
destruction which they deal to their own side, than to their
opponents. The African elephant is afraid of the Indian, and does not
dare so much as look at it, for the latter is of much greater bulk."
~ G. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 8.11

In the time of the war with Pyrrhus, when Rome was first introduced
to elephants, it was discovered, perhaps accidently, the elephants
dislike little, squealing animals running around them. The Romans
reportedly released some pigletsand noticed how the elephants reacted
by turning on their own lines of infantry. So next, according to
Dionysius of Halicarnassus, the Romans tarred the piglets in pitch
and set them on fire, no doubt to ensure their squealing a good
amount. Such innovations supposedly developed Roman anti-elephant
warfare further. Interesting here, too, is how Pliny, as do others,
compare the African elephants to those of India.

"Africa produces elephants, beyond the deserts of the Syrtes, and in
Mauritania; they are found also in the countries of the Æthiopians
and the Troglodytae as mentioned above. But it is India that produces
the largest, as well as the dragon, which is perpetually at war with
the elephant, and is itself of so enormous a size, as easily to
envelope the elephants with its folds, and encircle them in its
coils. The contest is equally fatal to both; the elephant,
vanquished, falls to the earth, and by its weight, crushes the dragon
which is entwined around it." ~ G. Plinius Secundus, Historia
Naturalis 8.11

We generally think of African elephants of the Sub Sahara with their
taller frames, longer tusks, and larger ears as being so much greater
than Indian elephants. But the North African elephants used by the
Carthaginians were a very different breed. What Hannibal rode upon
was more the size of a large bull, and really not much larger than a
horse. Surus was not a very impressive animal for his size, only for
his endurance.


Today's thought is from a letter by Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Epistle 95:

"Peace of mind is enjoyed only by those who have attained a fixed and
unchanging standard of judgment; the rest of mankind continually ebb
and flow in their decisions, floating in a condition where they
alternately reject things and seek them. And what is the reason for
this tossing to and fro? It is because nothing is clear to them,
because they make use of a most unsure criterion – rumor."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58224 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
Salve,

Thought of a domain name yet? How about novaromaforums.com or NRforums.com or something simple and straightforward like that?
Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerius Barbatus Annia Minucia Marcella S.P.D.

Ya that's what i'm referring to. No need for an smf demo i'm familiar with what it looks like as i've installed it on some of my own sites.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@ciarin. com> wrote:

Salve,

Something like this? It's phpBB. I could also create a demo of SMF if you prefer.

http://ciarin. com/nrforums/

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerius Barbatus Annia Minucia Marcella S.P.D.

I was also thinking of setting one up myself. I really like the SMF forums and was thinking of installing there new version that is still in beta. It's close to release now. Domain name's are cheap i'm just not sure what to call it. How about we set one up together?

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@ciarin. com> wrote:

Salve,

It's pretty hard to do anything around here with it getting the official blessing. I won't be against an unofficial forums though. If you want I could even set it up and run it. Just get me a domain name.


Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritanni a.org
http://myspace. com/novabritanni a
http://ciarin. com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerio Barbato Annia Minucia Marcella Omnibisque

Well we need to get a link to the fourm added to the wiki under the forum section they have there. Even if Nova Roma doesn't want to create there own php forum they could at least link to unofficial member forums. It looks like your site is is for your province. I was hoping to find a generic forum for everyone.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@ciarin. com> wrote:

Salve,

No voice chat that I know of. I have vent and skype though. Regarding the forums, they don't have one, and I've said a few times that it would be better to have a php forum than this horrible yahoo group. Nothing changes though. Even with my own province, I have implemented a php forum, yet most can't let go of the yahoo group, and only a few post in the forums. Feel free to join my forum and chat away if you like. http://novabritanni a.org/forum

skype: ciarin

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritanni a.org
http://myspace. com/novabritanni a
http://ciarin. com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
Aulus Valerius Barbatus Omnibus S.P.D.

Has anyone setup a voice chat server for nova roma citizens. I know we are from all over the world and speak a number of languages so i guess i'm more specifically asking about one for english speaking citizens. If not i'm willing to setup one. It won't be able to hold hundreds of people or even one hundred but would be a start.

Also I noticed there is no official site with an actual forum. Has anyone setup a forum for nova roma citizens to use in addition to the yahoo groups?

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 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



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 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



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 Di te incolumem custodiant!
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58225 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Equus October : conclusion PLEBEIANS !
Salvete Plebeian team !
Salvete Plebeians,
 
Iubilate with me ! Our excellent Plebeian team has won the ludi Equus October. Our team has proven the strength and endurance we Plebeians are known for.
 
Thank you Aedilis Curulis Albucius for organizing these powerful ludi Equus October.
 
Optime Valete
Titus Flavius Aquila
Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 15. Oktober 2008, 23:20:09 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Equus October : conclusion

Aed. P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.

In conclusion:

1/ Plebs wins vs Nobilitas, but shortly:

- Patricians have won the chariot race (Amor, Bebriaca char., owner D.
Octavia Aventina, Gallia, driving for Albata and Jupiter) ;
- Plebeians have won the horse's tail race (Euryalus, owner C.
Petronius Dexter, Gallia, running for Veneta and Portunus and Janus -
nb. Dexter is also Flamen Portunalis !)
- Plebeians have won the head's fight (Hierocles, owner C. Petronius
Dexter, Gallia, for Veneta and Portunus and Janus).

2/ Worrying signs have appeared through bad results for Praesini
(Green), our City symbolic color, specially the last position in Campus
Martius race. These signs seem however being balanced by the good
achievement of the other rituals (the horse sacrifice, the tail on the
Regia altar, the fact that the winning neighborhood has not faced any
difficulty hanging the horse head upon its wall).

3/ Despite a hard beginning about its entries, Equus October has
finally been a success. Naturally, we could have met more enthusiasm,
but I have been rejoiced by the civic involvement of the citizens who
have understood that their individual participation could bring much
for keeping our tradition.
I thus wish, among others, thanking specially Censor Marinus, Tribune
Livia, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Russati leader, much available Brasilian
Arminii (Genialis and Reccanellus) and all the Galli. Thanks also to
Cos. Sabinus for the help on the ritual for Jupiter and Mars we did
this morning, and to Censorius Marinus for, as Albati leader has made
all what he could to mobilize his troops.

4/ I have been personally honored, but also glad to live this day,
whose "ludi" events have been interested for Fortuna and the tactics
chosen by the owners have given balanced results, and exciting "events
in the events", that we will give you a more detailed report in our web
pages soon.

5/ Final congratulations to:

- the Plebs, and also special thanks for Tribune Aquila, who has,
beside Livia Tribuna, well contributed to mobilize his order;

- our rather fresh citizen, C. Petronius Dexter, who has won today two
events, and the decisive one inside!

- Galli, who has won, for different orders, all the events.

The aedilitas curulis is happy to give now the relay to Aedilis Plebis
Placidus and assistants, for Ludi Plebei, next month!

Valete omnes,

P. Memmius Albucius


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58226 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
Salve Palladius,
 
I support your statements to an great extent, but, concerning Germany and especially Prussia I have a different view.
 
The people in Germany at the beginning ,especially Liberals in the Rhineland ,did welcome the French revolution and Napoleon ,
especially the Code Napoleon.Even Beethoven devoted his 3rd sinfonia to Napoleon . He called it Sinfonia grande, intitolata Bonaparte.
The people of Germany were looking for „Freiheit, Gleichheit, Brüderlichkeit“ liberté, égalité, fraternité .
 
But soon the general appreciation for Napoleon changed, and stirred up the national feeling of all Germans to get united and free from foreingn supremacy, especially after Napoleon attacked Russia and force 10.000's of German Soldiers  to march with him into death and destruction.
Oh I forgot, Beethoven devoted 1804 the Sinfonia 3 to the grand duke Lobkowicz, he did destroyed the devotement for Napoleon in anger and
disappointment.
 
So much for the History.
 
I am myself torn apart between admiring Napoleon for his military strength, for following the Roman way (Consulate), for his pathbreaking Ideas and on the other hand I am with the Prussians and the German people fighting for their independence from sovereign supremacy .
 
Optime vale
Titus Flavius Aquila

----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: deciusiunius <bcatfd@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 15. Oktober 2008, 23:40:14 Uhr
Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon


Salve Pauline,

Well, if there's one thing you could say to get me posting on the ML,
as you know, defaming L'Empereur is one way to do it. I'm with Maior
on this (Gods that pains me to say). To say the least, I root for
Napoleon and La Grand Armee (or the L'Armee du Nord in Waterloo) in
any movie of the period.

As several people have noted, Napoleon was more in the vein of Caesar,
not a modern dictator in the sense you refer to. Even as emperor he
was viewed by many of the peoples of Europe as a liberator. Maior has
mentioned the Poles. In the Polish national anthem Napoleon is
mentioned even today.

The coalition of forces against him, especially England, were not
fighting him because they viewed him as a tyrant, they viewed him as a
representative of the Revolution and as as threat to the traditional
monarchical forces of Europe. England and the others were fighting to
make Europe safe for kings--they weren't fighting for liberty.

And don't forget, they attacked Napoleon's France, not the other way
around. England broke the Peace of Amiens, convinced (paid) the
Austrians and Russians to attack, then after they were trounced at
Austerlitz, convinced (paid) Prussia to get in the act.

That plebiscite you disparage when Napoleon became Emperor gave him
more legitimacy than the Czar had, or Emperor Francis of Austria, and
even George III never had his reign legitimized by a vote of the people.

My friend Albucius is right, there are several of us here quite
passionate about this subject--to say the least. ;-)

Vale,

Palladius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@... > wrote:
>
> Salve Maior
>
> "In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
> achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)"
>
> Rooting for the Roman Legions as they come on the screen in
"Spartacus" , or
> any other
> "sword and sandals" movie I can understand. But rooting for the first
> modern dictator is a little beyond the pale.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Maior" <rory12001@. ..>
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
> >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:12:14 -0000
> >
> >Maior Albucio Varroni Marinoque spd;
> >
> >Everyone do please try to understand that Varro comes from
> >France which has a long hard-won history of secularism, unlike the
> >U.S. Please try to understand our different cultural histories.
> >The early american colonies began with religious freedeom: There
> >were deists, Catholics, puritans, Jews in the various colonies...
> >
> >In France, it wasn't until the French Revolution that citizens
> >achieved égalité. And yes I root for Napoleon in the movies:)
> >
> >Now as for the gods, I tend to take an atomist view, meaning I
> >believe we're all made of energy, humans, trees, gods etc...just as
> >there are myriads of humans, so there are myriads of gods.
> >
> >Jung said polytheism has tendancies to monotheism; think of the
> >Pythagorean divine monad, and monotheism has tendancies to
> >polytheism: s buddhism and all its gods, and christianity,
> >zoroastrianism and all their gods.
> >
> >so there are gods, philosophy, and history. It's a fine
> >conversation, and we don't need to bandy words like 'bigot' 'racist'
> >or 'hate' around. I've experienced it and it's not here. We're
> >adults and like good Romans can have a robust discussion. True
> >Romans prized free speech.
> >bene vale in sapientiam deae Mentis
> >M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> >
>


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58227 From: Ice Hunter Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Candidacy for Tribune of the Plebs
T. Artoria Marcella S.P.D.
 
After a year off for reflection. and to resolve personal issues, I hope now to return to Nova Roma in an active fashion.  
 
I have been a citizen of Nova Roma since Sept. 15th, 2005 and was honored to serve as scriba to T. Iulius Sabinus, Curule Aedile, the following year.  I was especially honored to be elected Curule Aedile in 2007 (2760), alongside Iulia Cytheris.  I ask now that you allow me the additional honor of serving as a Tribune of the Plebs.
 
Vale optime,
Artoria Marcella
 
 
 
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58228 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
That could work. I prefer short names cause they are easier to type. How about just romaforums.com

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve,

Thought of a domain name yet? How about novaromaforums.com or NRforums.com or something simple and straightforward like that?


Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerius Barbatus Annia Minucia Marcella S.P.D.

Ya that's what i'm referring to. No need for an smf demo i'm familiar with what it looks like as i've installed it on some of my own sites.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve,

Something like this? It's phpBB. I could also create a demo of SMF if you prefer.

http://ciarin.com/nrforums/

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerius Barbatus Annia Minucia Marcella S.P.D.

I was also thinking of setting one up myself. I really like the SMF forums and was thinking of installing there new version that is still in beta. It's close to release now. Domain name's are cheap i'm just not sure what to call it. How about we set one up together?

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve,

It's pretty hard to do anything around here with it getting the official blessing. I won't be against an unofficial forums though. If you want I could even set it up and run it. Just get me a domain name.


Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
A. Valerio Barbato Annia Minucia Marcella Omnibisque

Well we need to get a link to the fourm added to the wiki under the forum section they have there. Even if Nova Roma doesn't want to create there own php forum they could at least link to unofficial member forums. It looks like your site is is for your province. I was hoping to find a generic forum for everyone.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:

Salve,

No voice chat that I know of. I have vent and skype though. Regarding the forums, they don't have one, and I've said a few times that it would be better to have a php forum than this horrible yahoo group. Nothing changes though. Even with my own province, I have implemented a php forum, yet most can't let go of the yahoo group, and only a few post in the forums. Feel free to join my forum and chat away if you like. http://novabritannia.org/forum

skype: ciarin

Vale
- Annia Minucia Marcella
Senator
Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
http://novabritannia.org
http://myspace.com/novabritannia
http://ciarin.com/governor


Denzel Holmes wrote:
Aulus Valerius Barbatus Omnibus S.P.D.

Has anyone setup a voice chat server for nova roma citizens. I know we are from all over the world and speak a number of languages so i guess i'm more specifically asking about one for english speaking citizens. If not i'm willing to setup one. It won't be able to hold hundreds of people or even one hundred but would be a start.

Also I noticed there is no official site with an actual forum. Has anyone setup a forum for nova roma citizens to use in addition to the yahoo groups?

--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)



--
 Di te incolumem custodiant!
(May the Gods keep you safe!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58229 From: galerius_of_rome Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: Announcement as Candidate!
Salve et Salvete,

Fellow plebians.I come before you today to ask your kind
consideration in allowing myself, to represent you as Tribunis
Plebis.I am not a politician per say.I have decided to run based on
the call put forth, for the need of Plebians to work for and
represent our Plebian Order, within the Respublica.It is for this
reason and a feeling of patriotism for Nova Roma that I have chosen
to do so.I have been a citizen of Noma Roma for 3 years.In that time
I had to take some time out, for there having been deaths and health
issues in my Familia.These matters have been taken care of with the
help of the Gods et Goddesses of Rome.I am a practitioner of the
Religio Romana and have no qualms in filling the requirements of the
State in it's relationship to the Religeo.I will act dilligently to
give the people the best representation that they rightfully deserve.
Therefore,I seek your support and ask you to join with me to work
towards a greater Nova Roma and the future development of our beloved
Respublica, for the benefit of all her citizens.

Ora et labora!
Optime Vale et Valete,
Appius Galerius Aurelianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58230 From: Ass.Pomerium Date: 2008-10-16
Subject: a new category of munuments on Signa Romanorum
Attachments :

     

    Associazione Pomerium

     

    A new and last category is now released in the website www.signaromanorum.org some monuments could not be included in the other lists and, when so important according to their extreme beauty or uniquity, then they shall be included here.

    (see also at http://www.signaromanorum.org/sr_lista_alt.htm for pictures).

    Commerative

    NUSRALT001 - La Turbie (c/o Aquae Sextiae), Tropy of the Alps

    NUSRALT002 - Roma, Ara Pacis

    Hydraulics

    NUSRALT003- Albano (Castra Albana), "Cisternone"

    NUSRALT004 - Bacoli (Baiae), Piscina Mirabilis

    NUSRALT005- Castel Gandolfo (Alba), emissary of Lake Albano

    NUSRALT006- Roma, Cloaca Maxima

    Port facilities

    NUSRALT007 - Dover (Portus Dubris), lighthouse

    NUSRALT008 - Fiumicino (Portus), Trajan's port 

    NUSRALT009 - Gelemis (Patara), lighthouse

    Road system

    NUSRALT010 - Furlo (Forulus), Vespasian's tunnel

    NUSRALT011 - Terracina (Tarracina), Pisco Montano's cut

    Special

    NUSRALT012 - Terracina (Tarracina), perspective gallery at Iovis Anxur sanctuary

    Undefined

    NUSRALT013 - Tivoli (Tibur), temple "della Tosse"

    As happened last times if you think a monument should go in this list, please let us know. Thanks

    SIGNA ROMANORVM - POMERIVM

    www.signaromanorum.org

    www.pomerium.org

    info@signaromanorum.org

     

     

     


     

    Per informazioni:
    Associazione Pomerium
    c/o Valenzano - Via E. Fieramosca, 178- 70100 Bari

    info@pomerium.org - amministrazione@pomerium.org - http://www.pomerium.org

     

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58231 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
    Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus S.P.D.

        Might I strongly suggest that, if you wish to be involved in the IT work needed to make Nova Roma better, you speak with Agricola about joining the IT team. We need people who will take the initiative as Valerius and Marcella have done. But the IT work is a large group project which impacts every aspect of Nova Roma and should therefore be a coordinated effort. Marcella was right when she said, "Things don't happen"; instead, people must MAKE things happen.
        There are plenty of people who despise Yahoo groups. Talk to Agricola. But also realize that we need to re-train the moderators and the users (thousands of them). Be patient; it will take time, but will probably be worth the effort.

    Optime valete!
     
    --
    Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
    Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
    Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
    http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58232 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: The Lex Popillia Senatoria
    Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,

    Since I was the Consul responsible for the Lex Popillia Senatoria, I
    thought it appropriate that I comment on Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    declining his sublection to the Senate, based on that lex.

    First let me say I esteem our Censors and believe they acted in good
    faith. Also, I have no wish to taint in any way the sublection of my
    good friend Gn. Iulius Caesar nor of Annia Minucia Marcella. I am
    very pleased to have both of them join the Senate. Also, while I
    respect and admire the decision of Gn. Lentulus, I am sad that he
    will not be joining us.

    With respect to the Lex Popillia Senatoria, one of its main goals was
    to align the revision of the Senate rolls with ancient practice to
    the extent possible based on our knowledge of those ancient practices.

    Based on my knowledge of those practices, it was the intent of the
    lex that the Senate rolls be realigned only after the conduct of the
    census. The responsibility for any ambiquity or fault in the lex
    rests squarly with me.

    Vale et valete.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58233 From: Denzel Holmes Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: Voice Chat and Forums
    A Valerius Barbatus Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus S.P.D.

    Thanks i've already talked with william R Houge but i've gotta pass the citizenship test first.

    On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:

    Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus S.P.D.

        Might I strongly suggest that, if you wish to be involved in the IT work needed to make Nova Roma better, you speak with Agricola about joining the IT team. We need people who will take the initiative as Valerius and Marcella have done. But the IT work is a large group project which impacts every aspect of Nova Roma and should therefore be a coordinated effort. Marcella was right when she said, "Things don't happen"; instead, people must MAKE things happen.
        There are plenty of people who despise Yahoo groups. Talk to Agricola. But also realize that we need to re-train the moderators and the users (thousands of them). Be patient; it will take time, but will probably be worth the effort.


    Optime valete!
     
    --
    Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
    Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
    Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
    http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com






    --
     Di te incolumem custodiant!
    (May the Gods keep you safe!)
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58234 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    Salvete omnes,
     
    Being a staunch admirer of Napoleon the Great since my childhood, I just want to repeat what Palladius adequately wrote:
     
    Vive l'Empereur!
     
    And as Maior says, Napoleon was a liberator, not a tyrant.
     
    Valete,

    M•IVL•SEVERVS

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58235 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    Ave Dexter, Palladi, Severe;
    I like this line of thinking. If Napoleon had sucessfully invaded
    Great Britain, think of the consequences:
    French cuisine!
    a republic: no monarchy
    secular state: no state religion
    a written constitution


    vale
    Maior, vrai amante de la Republique..


    >
    > And, perhaps, if England has till a monarchy, it is because Napoleon
    > never could croos the Channel and invade Great-Britain.;o)
    >
    > Vale.
    >
    > C. Petronius Dexter
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58236 From: hikerbill40 Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    The dilemma is academic and problematic: We view Napoleon through 20th century eyes; to the eyes of people of his age he was the most revolutionary person to burst upon the international scene in 500 years.
    To grasp the enormity of his impact, stand long over his tomb in Paris and think long, hard thoughts about democracy.


    --- On Thu, 10/16/08, M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:
    From: M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...>
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 2:12 PM

    Salvete omnes,
     
    Being a staunch admirer of Napoleon the Great since my childhood, I just want to repeat what Palladius adequately wrote:
     
    Vive l'Empereur!
     
    And as Maior says, Napoleon was a liberator, not a tyrant.
     
    Valete,

    M•IVL•SEVERVS


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58237 From: Marcus Valerius Traianus Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists

     

    Here is the link : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/3210339/Gladiator-tomb-discovered-by-archeologists.html

    Archeologists have unearthed the tomb of a Roman general thought to have inspired the character played by Russell Crowe in the film 'Gladiator'.

     

    By Nick Squires in Rome
    Last Updated: 4:20PM BST 16 Oct 2008

    Russell Crowe in the 2000 film Gladiator - Archeologists have unearthed the tomb of a Roman general thought to have inspired the character.
    Elements of the life of Marcus Nonius Macrinus were incorporated into the character of Maximus Decimus Meridius, played by Russell Crowe.

    The 1,800-year-old stone mausoleum on the banks of the River Tiber was hailed by experts as an "extraordinary discovery" and one of the most important Roman finds for decades.

    It was built to contain the remains of Marcus Nonius Macrinus, a proconsul and a favourite of Marcus Aurelius, who ruled as emperor from 161 AD to his death in 180 AD.

    Macrinus was born in Brescia, in northern Italy, and won victories leading Roman legions into battle.

    He became a confidant of Emperor Aurelius, being appointed a proconsul in Asia Minor and describing himself as "chosen out of the closest friends".

    Elements of his life were incorporated into Maximus Decimus Meridius, the fictional character for which Crowe won an Oscar in the 2000 film Gladiator, directed by Ridley Scott.

    In the award-winning film, Maximus is a battle-hardened general and a protégé of the emperor, just as Marcus Nonius Macrinus was.

    The intricately carved marble tomb, complete with a stone inscription identifying it as that of Macrinus, was found near the Via Flaminia, one of the arterial roads which led in and out of ancient Rome.

    The jumble of broken columns, friezes and stone blocks was discovered during the demolition of a warehouse, along with remarkably intact parts of the original Roman road.

    "It's been at least 20 or 30 years since a relic of this importance has come to light in Rome," said a senior archeologist, Daniela Rossi.

    Over the centuries parts of the tomb crumbled into the Tiber but enough has been recovered during months of painstaking excavation work that experts are discussing the possibility of reconstructing it as the focus of an archeological park.

    In the award-winning film, Emperor Marcus Aurelius, played by Richard Harris, is murdered by his ruthless son Commodus, who declares himself emperor and sets about destroying Maximus, ordering the murder of his wife and child.

    Slave traders take the shattered Maximus to North Africa, where he is sold to a gladiator school and trained as a fighter.

    Returning to Rome seeking revenge, he eventually kills Commodus in a bloody showdown in the Colosseum, which was famous for its gladiatorial contests.

    The film's scriptwriters also based the character of Maximus on Spartacus, who led a slave revolt against Rome in the 1st century BC, and Narcissus, a wrestler who brought Commodus' reign as emperor to an abrupt end by strangling him.

    Commodus is believed to have been the only Roman emperor to have taken part in gladiatorial contests.

    Last year archeologists in Rome found a mosaic which they believe depicts a favourite sparring partner of the emperor, named Montanus.

    The mosaic shows the gladiator holding a trident over a prone opponent who he has apparently defeated in hand-to-hand combat.

     

     
    ----------------------------
    Marcus Valerius Traianus
    Proud Citizen of Nova Roma

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58238 From: R.H.M.C. Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    Julien Sorel.

    2008/10/16 hikerbill40 <tantaluseros@...>

    The dilemma is academic and problematic: We view Napoleon through 20th century eyes; to the eyes of people of his age he was the most revolutionary person to burst upon the international scene in 500 years.
    To grasp the enormity of his impact, stand long over his tomb in Paris and think long, hard thoughts about democracy.


    --- On Thu, 10/16/08, M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:
    From: M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...>
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 2:12 PM

    Salvete omnes,
     
    Being a staunch admirer of Napoleon the Great since my childhood, I just want to repeat what Palladius adequately wrote:
     
    Vive l'Empereur!
     
    And as Maior says, Napoleon was a liberator, not a tyrant.
     
    Valete,

    M•IVL•SEVERVS



    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58239 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists

    Salvete omnes,

     

    I love Hollywood movies about Rome . . . sort of like I love influenza. But sometimes, you hold out foolish hope.

     

    Several years ago in a newsroom, someone from the entertainment department came in and announced that a movie would be made about Hannibal.

     

    “Yay! About time! Someone should have done that years ago,” quoth I. “As long as it’s true to the record and doesn’t paint Hannibal up as the good guy.”

     

    “Good guy? Record? Do you mean that cannibal from Wisconsin?”

     

    Cannibal?

     

    <Reporter shrugs at the utter nerdishness of his colleague> “Of course: Hannibal the cannibal. It’s a sequel to ‘Silence of the Lambs’.”

     

    <Crestfallen> “Aw, geez . . . I thought someone finally was going to get around to the Barcids and the Punic Wars.”

     

    Valete,

    ld

     

    (who still is more thrilled by the discovery, we hope, of the Lupercale)

     

     

     

     

     

     

     


    From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Valerius Traianus
    Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:56 PM
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists

     

     

    Here is the link : http://www.telegrap h.co.uk/news/ worldnews/ europe/italy/ 3210339/Gladiato r-tomb-discovere d-by-archeologis ts.html

    Archeologists have unearthed the tomb of a Roman general thought to have inspired the character played by Russell Crowe in the film 'Gladiator'.

     

    By Nick Squires in Rome
    Last Updated: 4:20PM BST 16 Oct 2008

     

    Elements of the life of Marcus Nonius Macrinus were incorporated into the character of Maximus Decimus Meridius, played by Russell Crowe.

    The 1,800-year-old stone mausoleum on the banks of the River Tiber was hailed by experts as an "extraordinary discovery" and one of the most important Roman finds for decades.

    It was built to contain the remains of Marcus Nonius Macrinus, a proconsul and a favourite of Marcus Aurelius, who ruled as emperor from 161 AD to his death in 180 AD.

    Macrinus was born in Brescia, in northern Italy, and won victories leading Roman legions into battle.

    He became a confidant of Emperor Aurelius, being appointed a proconsul in Asia Minor and describing himself as "chosen out of the closest friends".

    Elements of his life were incorporated into Maximus Decimus Meridius, the fictional character for which Crowe won an Oscar in the 2000 film Gladiator, directed by Ridley Scott.

    In the award-winning film, Maximus is a battle-hardened general and a protégé of the emperor, just as Marcus Nonius Macrinus was.

    The intricately carved marble tomb, complete with a stone inscription identifying it as that of Macrinus, was found near the Via Flaminia, one of the arterial roads which led in and out of ancient Rome.

    The jumble of broken columns, friezes and stone blocks was discovered during the demolition of a warehouse, along with remarkably intact parts of the original Roman road.

    "It's been at least 20 or 30 years since a relic of this importance has come to light in Rome," said a senior archeologist, Daniela Rossi.

    Over the centuries parts of the tomb crumbled into the Tiber but enough has been recovered during months of painstaking excavation work that experts are discussing the possibility of reconstructing it as the focus of an archeological park.

    In the award-winning film, Emperor Marcus Aurelius, played by Richard Harris, is murdered by his ruthless son Commodus, who declares himself emperor and sets about destroying Maximus, ordering the murder of his wife and child.

    Slave traders take the shattered Maximus to North Africa, where he is sold to a gladiator school and trained as a fighter.

    Returning to Rome seeking revenge, he eventually kills Commodus in a bloody showdown in the Colosseum, which was famous for its gladiatorial contests.

    The film's scriptwriters also based the character of Maximus on Spartacus, who led a slave revolt against Rome in the 1st century BC, and Narcissus, a wrestler who brought Commodus' reign as emperor to an abrupt end by strangling him.

    Commodus is believed to have been the only Roman emperor to have taken part in gladiatorial contests.

    Last year archeologists in Rome found a mosaic which they believe depicts a favourite sparring partner of the emperor, named Montanus.

    The mosaic shows the gladiator holding a trident over a prone opponent who he has apparently defeated in hand-to-hand combat.

     


     

    ------------ --------- -------
    Marcus Valerius Traianus
    Proud Citizen of Nova Roma

     

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58240 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    Salvete,

    Hmmm,think long and hard about democracy you say.I don't wish to misunderstand you, or be misunderstood.Is a Republic in the Roman scence of the word, the same as a Democracy,lets's say in the Greek sence of the word?

    Valete,
    Appius Galerius Aurelianus


    --- On Thu, 10/16/08, R.H.M.C. <calundu91@...> wrote:

    > From: R.H.M.C. <calundu91@...>
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 5:08 PM
    > Julien Sorel.
    >
    > 2008/10/16 hikerbill40 <tantaluseros@...>
    >
    > > The dilemma is academic and problematic: We view
    > Napoleon through
    > > 20th century eyes; to the eyes of people of his age he
    > was the most
    > > revolutionary person to burst upon the international
    > scene in 500 years.
    > > To grasp the enormity of his impact, stand long over
    > his tomb in Paris and
    > > think long, hard thoughts about democracy.
    > >
    > >
    > > --- On *Thu, 10/16/08, M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > <marcusiuliusseverus@...>*wrote:
    > >
    > > From: M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > <marcusiuliusseverus@...>
    > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
    > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 2:12 PM
    > >
    > > Salvete omnes,
    > >
    > > Being a staunch admirer of Napoleon the Great since my
    > childhood, I just
    > > want to repeat what Palladius adequately wrote:
    > >
    > > Vive l'Empereur!
    > >
    > > And as Maior says, Napoleon was a liberator, not a
    > tyrant.
    > >
    > > Valete,
    > >
    > > M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58241 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: The Lex Popillia Senatoria
    Q. Caecilius Metellus C. Popillio Laenati candidato salutem.

    Salve,

    Let me thank you, C. Laenas, first for the legislation for itself, and second,
    for bringing this breach of it to the forum. I can't disagree with what you
    mentioned at all; but there was another portion of that law that was overlooked
    as well, namely I.E., which states specifically, "After they have declared the
    maximum number of senatores (and not before), the censores shall revise the list
    of senatores.", however there was no declaration of what said maximum number is.

    I certainly think, though, that the greater breach is the one which you
    mentioned, and for my own part, I didn't read any ambiguity in the law. On a
    matter of post-construction constructive criticism, there is the minor hole open
    in the lex as written, in that it doesn't specify when after the census this
    should be done, or on how many occasions. I think the spirit of the lex is
    pretty well understood, but the letter does leave that seam un-stitched.


    Vale Optime,

    Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58242 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    Salvete;
    "l'homme est né libre; et partout il est dans les fers."

    Maior.



    Julien Sorel.
    > >
    > > 2008/10/16 hikerbill40 <tantaluseros@...>
    > >
    > > > The dilemma is academic and problematic: We view
    > > Napoleon through
    > > > 20th century eyes; to the eyes of people of his age he
    > > was the most
    > > > revolutionary person to burst upon the international
    > > scene in 500 years.
    > > > To grasp the enormity of his impact, stand long over
    > > his tomb in Paris and
    > > > think long, hard thoughts about democracy.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --- On *Thu, 10/16/08, M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > > <marcusiuliusseverus@...>*wrote:
    > > >
    > > > From: M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > > <marcusiuliusseverus@...>
    > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
    > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > > Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 2:12 PM
    > > >
    > > > Salvete omnes,
    > > >
    > > > Being a staunch admirer of Napoleon the Great since my
    > > childhood, I just
    > > > want to repeat what Palladius adequately wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Vive l'Empereur!
    > > >
    > > > And as Maior says, Napoleon was a liberator, not a
    > > tyrant.
    > > >
    > > > Valete,
    > > >
    > > > M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58243 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
    
    Salve Vesta!
     
    You say it's a contradiction, but several roman institutions were preserved by the christian church and exist until today, for instance, the roman law.
     
    Vale,
     
    LVC.FID.LVSITANVS.SPD.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:13 PM
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!


    SALVETE OMNES
     
    IF NOVA ROMA were only for Pagans(people who are open to accept all Gods with NO exception) I would certainly be more active and able to convincing many other friends to join!
    Monotheists and Politheists toghether is an intrinsic contraddiction! I believe such a contraddiction was the first and most important cause of the fall of our Civilization.
     
    VALETE OMNES
     
    LVCIVS Q. VESTA
     
     

    --- Lun 13/10/08, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail. net> ha scritto:
    Da: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail. net>
    Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] religio or not religio? romana or "pagana"?
    A: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    Data: Lunedì 13 ottobre 2008, 21:05

    Salve Varro,

    philippe cardon <philippe.cardon01@ orange.fr> writes:

    > if i were the founder of such thing "NR", i would admit only "pagan" people,

    Good thing for Nova Roma that you weren't one of the founders. It
    would be a very different, and perhaps much smaller, organization.

    I realize you probably don't mean to come across as a bigot, but
    you're coming across as a bigot.

    Vale,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS


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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58244 From: hikerbill40 Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    It is what the French -- and eventually the Napoleonic -- revolution unleashed that is to be pondered.The Emperor may have tweaked the desire for nationalist self-government (under monarchical restrictions) and conflict aside, readied Europe for the Industrial age and the benefits -- and terrors -- associated with popular government. He indeed was a colossus, and belongs in their Pantheon, along with Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne and Frederick Barbarossa.
     


    --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...> wrote:
    From: Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...>
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 6:08 PM

    Salvete,

    Hmmm,think long and hard about democracy you say.I don't wish to misunderstand you, or be misunderstood. Is a Republic in the Roman scence of the word, the same as a Democracy,lets' s say in the Greek sence of the word?

    Valete,
    Appius Galerius Aurelianus

    --- On Thu, 10/16/08, R.H.M.C. <calundu91@gmail. com> wrote:

    > From: R.H.M.C. <calundu91@gmail. com>
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 5:08 PM
    > Julien Sorel.
    >
    > 2008/10/16 hikerbill40 <tantaluseros@ yahoo.com>
    >
    > > The dilemma is academic and problematic: We view
    > Napoleon through
    > > 20th century eyes; to the eyes of people of his age he
    > was the most
    > > revolutionary person to burst upon the international
    > scene in 500 years.
    > > To grasp the enormity of his impact, stand long over
    > his tomb in Paris and
    > > think long, hard thoughts about democracy.
    > >
    > >
    > > --- On *Thu, 10/16/08, M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > <marcusiuliusseverus @...>*wrote:
    > >
    > > From: M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > <marcusiuliusseverus @...>
    > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
    > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > > Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 2:12 PM
    > >
    > > Salvete omnes,
    > >
    > > Being a staunch admirer of Napoleon the Great since my
    > childhood, I just
    > > want to repeat what Palladius adequately wrote:
    > >
    > > Vive l'Empereur!
    > >
    > > And as Maior says, Napoleon was a liberator, not a
    > tyrant.
    > >
    > > Valete,
    > >
    > > M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58245 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Maximum number of Senators
    Salve Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus who said in part

    �I can't disagree with what you mentioned at all; but there was another
    portion of that law that was over looked as well, namely I.E., which states
    specifically, "After they have declared the maximum number of senatores (and
    not before), the censores shall revise the list of senatores.", however
    there was no declaration of what said maximum number is.�

    I am sorry but your are mistaken. The maximum number of Senators was
    establish by the Edictum censoris de censu anni MMDCCLX, which can be found
    here.

    http://novaroma.org/nr/Edictum_censoris_de_censu_anni_MMDCCLX

    The maximum number of Senators is currently set at thirty-eight (38).
    Section B. of the Lex Popillia senatoria states:

    �This number shall be the maximum number of senatores until the number is
    revised by the censores after the following census�

    Vale

    Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
    Censor
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58246 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Re: Maximum number of Senators
    C. Petronius Ti. Galerio s.p.d.,

    > http://novaroma.org/nr/Edictum_censoris_de_censu_anni_MMDCCLX

    In which I read :

    "Citizens by Gender
    81% Male – 19% Female."

    Do have we to organize a "Rape of the Sabine women"?

    Vale.

    C. Petronius Dexter
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58247 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-16
    Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 17, 2008.
    C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,
     
    Today in Rome :
     
    (Julian day : 2 454 757).
     
    A. d. XVI Kalendas Novembres
    MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
    Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio.
     
    Day of the week : Veneris dies (Friday).
     
    Lunaris dies: XIX .
    Nundinal letter : B.
     
    Hora ortus Solis : 07:25.
    Hora occasus Solis : 18h24.
    Temp. Min. : 12° C.
    Temp. Max. : 18° C.
    Wind on Rome : 15 Km/h.
    Weather : More clouds than sun. Mild. Few showers.
     
    Horae diei :
     
    I: 07:25 - 08:11 Lunae hora.
    II: 08:11 - 08:57 Saturni hora.
    III: 08:57 -09:43 Iovis hora.
    IV: 09:43 - 10:28 Martis hora.
    V: 10:28 - 11:14 Solis hora.
    VI: 11:14 - 12:00 Veneris hora.
    VII: 12:00 - 13:04 Mercurii hora.
    VIII: 13:04 - 14:08 Lunae hora.
    IX: 14:08 - 15:12 Saturni hora.
    X: 15:12 - 16:16 Iovis hora.
    XI: 16:16 - 17:20 Martis hora.
    XII: 17:20 - 18:24 Solis hora.
     
    Horae noctis :
     
    I: 18:24 - 19:20 Veneris hora.
    II: 19:20 - 20:16 Mercurii hora.
    III: 20:16 - 21:12 Lunae hora.
    IV: 21:12 - 22:08 Saturni hora.
    V: 22:08 - 23:04 Iovis hora.
    VI: 23:04 - 00:00 Martis hora.
    VII: 00:00 - 01:15 Solis hora.
    VIII: 01:15 - 02:29 Veneris hora.
    IX: 02:29 - 03:43 Mercurii hora.
    X: 03:43 - 04:58 Lunae hora.
    XI: 04:58 - 06:12 Saturni hora.
    XII: 06:12 - 07:26 Iovis hora.
     
     
    Valete.
     
    C. Petronius Dexter.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58248 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Equus October : conclusion
    C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,
     
    Once again, my chariot Incitatus, Stolo being chariotter, had a bad race. He was third and did not can represent the plebeian flag and colours against the patricians. (The Gallic goddess Epona was forgotten in my prayers. I will pray her the next time.)
     
    I am proud of my young runner Euryalus and my mirmillo Hierocles, both winner with the tail and the head of the horse sacrified at the god Mars.
     
    Plebeians can be proud to have so well honoured the God Mars on this October Equus day.
    And now our plebeian Turris Mamilia has its ornament of Victory.
     
    Valete.
     
    C. Petronius Dexter.
     
     
     
    ----- Message d'origine ----- 
    De : Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
    À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Envoyé le : Mercredi, 15 Octobre 2008, 23h20mn 09s
    Objet : [Nova-Roma] Equus October : conclusion

    Aed. P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.

    In conclusion:

    1/ Plebs wins vs Nobilitas, but shortly:

    - Patricians have won the chariot race (Amor, Bebriaca char., owner D.
    Octavia Aventina, Gallia, driving for Albata and Jupiter) ;
    - Plebeians have won the horse's tail race (Euryalus, owner C.
    Petronius Dexter, Gallia, running for Veneta and Portunus and Janus -
    nb. Dexter is also Flamen Portunalis !)
    - Plebeians have won the head's fight (Hierocles, owner C. Petronius
    Dexter, Gallia, for Veneta and Portunus and Janus).

    2/ Worrying signs have appeared through bad results for Praesini
    (Green), our City symbolic color, specially the last position in Campus
    Martius race. These signs seem however being balanced by the good
    achievement of the other rituals (the horse sacrifice, the tail on the
    Regia altar, the fact that the winning neighborhood has not faced any
    difficulty hanging the horse head upon its wall).

    3/ Despite a hard beginning about its entries, Equus October has
    finally been a success. Naturally, we could have met more enthusiasm,
    but I have been rejoiced by the civic involvement of the citizens who
    have understood that their individual participation could bring much
    for keeping our tradition.
    I thus wish, among others, thanking specially Censor Marinus, Tribune
    Livia, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Russati leader, much available Brasilian
    Arminii (Genialis and Reccanellus) and all the Galli. Thanks also to
    Cos. Sabinus for the help on the ritual for Jupiter and Mars we did
    this morning, and to Censorius Marinus for, as Albati leader has made
    all what he could to mobilize his troops.

    4/ I have been personally honored, but also glad to live this day,
    whose "ludi" events have been interested for Fortuna and the tactics
    chosen by the owners have given balanced results, and exciting "events
    in the events", that we will give you a more detailed report in our web
    pages soon.

    5/ Final congratulations to:

    - the Plebs, and also special thanks for Tribune Aquila, who has,
    beside Livia Tribuna, well contributed to mobilize his order;

    - our rather fresh citizen, C. Petronius Dexter, who has won today two
    events, and the decisive one inside!

    - Galli, who has won, for different orders, all the events.


    The aedilitas curulis is happy to give now the relay to Aedilis Plebis
    Placidus and assistants, for Ludi Plebei, next month!


    Valete omnes,


    P. Memmius Albucius







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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58249 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    Salvete Quirites!

    I can't hold myself back as great admirer of the Napoleonic era. I have over 300 books about the era, most from the 1900th century. The Emperor is one of the most interesting subjects for study during the days that has been named after him. I find him to be as interesting as Caesar, even though he is not a Roman of Roman times. ;-)

    I am happy to see friends from every corner of Nova Roma among those who are interested in these times. So why not agreeing these friends with a:

    Vive l'Empereur!

    ************

    16 okt 2008 kl. 20.12 skrev M•IVL•SEVERVS:

    Salvete omnes,
     
    Being a staunch admirer of Napoleon the Great since my childhood, I just want to repeat what Palladius adequately wrote:
     
    Vive l'Empereur!
     
    And as Maior says, Napoleon was a liberator, not a tyrant.
     
    Valete,

    M•IVL•SEVERVS

    *****************
    Vale

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

    Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
    Civis Romanus sum
    ************************************************
    Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
    "I'll either find a way or make one"
    ************************************************
    Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
    Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
    ************************************************
    Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae 
    Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae 





    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58250 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists
    Salve,Marcus Valerius Traianus.

    Wow!This is sensational news.Thank you for posting and sharing this with all of us.

    Vale,
    Appius Galerius Aurelianus


    --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Marcus Valerius Traianus <marcusvaleriustraianus@...> wrote:

    > From: Marcus Valerius Traianus <marcusvaleriustraianus@...>
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 4:55 PM
    >  
    > Here is the link :
    > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/3210339/Gladiator-tomb-discovered-by-archeologists.html
    > Archeologists have unearthed the tomb of a Roman general
    > thought to have inspired the character played by Russell
    > Crowe in the film 'Gladiator'.
    >
    >
    > By Nick Squires in Rome
    > Last Updated: 4:20PM BST 16 Oct 2008
    >
    > Elements of the life of Marcus Nonius Macrinus were
    > incorporated into the character of Maximus Decimus Meridius,
    > played by Russell Crowe.
    > The 1,800-year-old stone mausoleum on the banks of the
    > River Tiber was hailed by experts as an "extraordinary
    > discovery" and one of the most important Roman finds
    > for decades.
    > It was built to contain the remains of Marcus Nonius
    > Macrinus, a proconsul and a favourite of Marcus Aurelius,
    > who ruled as emperor from 161 AD to his death in 180 AD.
    > Macrinus was born in Brescia, in northern Italy, and won
    > victories leading Roman legions into battle.
    > He became a confidant of Emperor Aurelius, being appointed
    > a proconsul in Asia Minor and describing himself as
    > "chosen out of the closest friends".
    > Elements of his life were incorporated into Maximus Decimus
    > Meridius, the fictional character for which Crowe won an
    > Oscar in the 2000 film Gladiator, directed by Ridley Scott.
    > In the award-winning film, Maximus is a battle-hardened
    > general and a protégé of the emperor, just as Marcus
    > Nonius Macrinus was.
    > The intricately carved marble tomb, complete with a stone
    > inscription identifying it as that of Macrinus, was found
    > near the Via Flaminia, one of the arterial roads which led
    > in and out of ancient Rome.
    > The jumble of broken columns, friezes and stone blocks was
    > discovered during the demolition of a warehouse, along with
    > remarkably intact parts of the original Roman road.
    > "It's been at least 20 or 30 years since a relic
    > of this importance has come to light in Rome," said a
    > senior archeologist, Daniela Rossi.
    > Over the centuries parts of the tomb crumbled into the
    > Tiber but enough has been recovered during months of
    > painstaking excavation work that experts are discussing the
    > possibility of reconstructing it as the focus of an
    > archeological park.
    > In the award-winning film, Emperor Marcus Aurelius, played
    > by Richard Harris, is murdered by his ruthless son Commodus,
    > who declares himself emperor and sets about destroying
    > Maximus, ordering the murder of his wife and child.
    > Slave traders take the shattered Maximus to North Africa,
    > where he is sold to a gladiator school and trained as a
    > fighter.
    > Returning to Rome seeking revenge, he eventually kills
    > Commodus in a bloody showdown in the Colosseum, which was
    > famous for its gladiatorial contests.
    > The film's scriptwriters also based the character of
    > Maximus on Spartacus, who led a slave revolt against Rome in
    > the 1st century BC, and Narcissus, a wrestler who brought
    > Commodus' reign as emperor to an abrupt end by
    > strangling him.
    > Commodus is believed to have been the only Roman emperor to
    > have taken part in gladiatorial contests.
    > Last year archeologists in Rome found a mosaic which they
    > believe depicts a favourite sparring partner of the emperor,
    > named Montanus.
    > The mosaic shows the gladiator holding a trident over a
    > prone opponent who he has apparently defeated in
    > hand-to-hand combat.
    >
    >  ----------------------------
    > Marcus Valerius Traianus
    > Proud Citizen of Nova Roma

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58251 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    Salvete omnes,

    I must agree.It is quite contagious as well.

    Vive l'Empereur!

    Valete optime,
    A.Galerio Aureliano


    --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Christer Edling <christer.edling@...> wrote:

    > From: Christer Edling <christer.edling@...>
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:26 AM
    > Salvete Quirites!
    >
    > I can't hold myself back as great admirer of the
    > Napoleonic era. I
    > have over 300 books about the era, most from the 1900th
    > century. The
    > Emperor is one of the most interesting subjects for study
    > during the
    > days that has been named after him. I find him to be as
    > interesting as
    > Caesar, even though he is not a Roman of Roman times. ;-)
    >
    > I am happy to see friends from every corner of Nova Roma
    > among those
    > who are interested in these times. So why not agreeing
    > these friends
    > with a:
    >
    > Vive l'Empereur!
    >
    > ************
    >
    > 16 okt 2008 kl. 20.12 skrev M•IVL•SEVERVS:
    >
    > Salvete omnes,
    >
    > Being a staunch admirer of Napoleon the Great since my
    > childhood, I
    > just want to repeat what Palladius adequately wrote:
    >
    > Vive l'Empereur!
    >
    > And as Maior says, Napoleon was a liberator, not a tyrant.
    >
    > Valete,
    >
    > M•IVL•SEVERVS
    >
    > *****************
    > Vale
    >
    > Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    >
    > Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
    > Civis Romanus sum
    > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
    > ************************************************
    > Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
    > "I'll either find a way or make one"
    > ************************************************
    > Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
    > Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
    > ************************************************
    > Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
    > Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58252 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: a. d. XVI Kalendas Novembris: the Gracchi
    M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem
    plurimam dicit: Deus salvere vos iubet

    Hodie est ante diem XVI Kalendas Novembris; haec dies comitialis est.

    The Sixth of Eight Seasons of Farming

    "In the sixth period, from the autumnal equinox (to the setting of
    the Pleiades), the authorities state that sowing should begin and
    continue up to the ninety-first day. ~ M. Terrentius Varro, De Re
    Rustica 1.34


    The Gracchi

    "Now the institution of parties and factions, with all their
    attendant evils, originated at Rome a few years before this as the
    result of peace and of an abundance of everything that mortals prize
    most highly. For before the destruction of Carthage the people and
    senate of Rome together governed the republic peacefully and with
    moderation. There was no strife among the citizens either for glory
    or for power; fear of the enemy preserved the good morals of the
    state. But when the minds of the people were relieved of that dread,
    wantonness and arrogance naturally arose, vices which are fostered by
    prosperity. Thus the peace for which they had longed in time of
    adversity, after they had gained it proved to be more cruel and
    bitter than adversity itself. For the nobles began to abuse their
    position and the people their liberty, and every man for himself
    robbed, pillaged, and plundered. Thus the community was split into
    two parties, and between these the state was torn to pieces.

    "But the nobles had the more powerful organization, while the
    strength of the commons was less effective because it was incompact
    and divided among many. Affairs at home and in the field were
    managed according to the will of a few men, in whose hands were the
    treasury, the provinces, public offices, glory and triumphs. The
    people were burdened with military service and poverty. The generals
    divided the spoils of war with a few friends. Meanwhile the parents
    or little children of the soldiers, if they had a powerful neighbor,
    were driven from their homes. Thus, by the side of power, greed
    arose, unlimited and unrestrained, violated and devastated
    everything, respected nothing, and held nothing sacred, until it
    finally brought about its own downfall. For as soon as nobles were
    found who preferred true glory to unjust power, the state began to be
    disturbed and civil dissension to arise like an upheaval of the
    earth.

    "For example, when Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus, whose forefathers had
    added greatly to the power of the republic in the Punic and other
    wars, began to assert the freedom of the commons and expose the
    crimes of the oligarchs, the nobility, who were guilty, were
    therefore panic stricken. They accordingly opposed the acts of the
    Gracchi, now through the allies and the Latin cities and again
    through the knights, whom the hope of an alliance with the senate had
    estranged from the commons. And first Tiberius, then a few years
    later Gaius, who had followed in his brother's footsteps, were slain
    with the sword, although one was a tribune and the other a
    commissioner for founding colonies; and with them fell Marcus Fulvius
    Flaccus. It must be admitted that the Gracchi were so eager for
    victory that they had not shown a sufficiently moderate spirit; but a
    good man would prefer to be defeated rather than to triumph over
    injustice by establishing a bad precedent.

    "The nobles then abused their victory to gratify their passions; they
    put many men out of the way by the sword or by banishment, and thus
    rendered themselves for the future rather dreaded than powerful. It
    is this spirit which has commonly ruined great nations, when one
    party desires to triumph over another by any and every means and to
    avenge itself on the vanquished with excessive cruelty." ~ C.
    Sallustius Crispus, Bellum Jugurthinum 41-42


    Our thought for today is from Stobaeus, Ethical Sentences 13:

    "Be sober, and remember to be disposed to believe; for these are the
    nerves of wisdom."
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58253 From: William J. Dowie Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    All I can say is:

    Moi aussi, j'aime beaucoup l'Empereur!


    On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 00:16 -0700, Robert Levee wrote:
    Salvete omnes,

    I must agree.It is quite contagious as well.

    Vive l'Empereur!

    Valete optime,
    A.Galerio Aureliano

    --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Christer Edling <christer.edling@telia.com> wrote:

    > From: Christer Edling <christer.edling@telia.com>
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:26 AM
    > Salvete Quirites!
    >
    > I can't hold myself back as great admirer of the
    > Napoleonic era. I
    > have over 300 books about the era, most from the 1900th
    > century. The
    > Emperor is one of the most interesting subjects for study
    > during the
    > days that has been named after him. I find him to be as
    > interesting as
    > Caesar, even though he is not a Roman of Roman times. ;-)
    >
    > I am happy to see friends from every corner of Nova Roma
    > among those
    > who are interested in these times. So why not agreeing
    > these friends
    > with a:
    >
    > Vive l'Empereur!
    >
    > ************
    >
    > 16 okt 2008 kl. 20.12 skrev M•IVL•SEVERVS:
    >
    > Salvete omnes,
    >
    > Being a staunch admirer of Napoleon the Great since my
    > childhood, I
    > just want to repeat what Palladius adequately wrote:
    >
    > Vive l'Empereur!
    >
    > And as Maior says, Napoleon was a liberator, not a tyrant.
    >
    > Valete,
    >
    > M•IVL•SEVERVS
    >
    > *****************
    > Vale
    >
    > Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    >
    > Princeps Senatus et Flamen Palatualis
    > Civis Romanus sum
    > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page
    > ************************************************
    > Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
    > "I'll either find a way or make one"
    > ************************************************
    > Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
    > Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
    > ************************************************
    > Mons Palatinus, Clivus Victoriae
    > Palatine Hill, Incline of Victoriae




    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58254 From: hikerbill40 Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists
    Well, there was, once upon a time, a movie made about the Carthaginian hero. But, well, the facts went begging. I believe it was "Jupiter's Darling" starring Howard Keel and Esther Williams....yes, lots of swimming and lots of singing and damn little history. But an enjoyable little film, nonetheless.


    --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Lyn Dowling <ldowling@...> wrote:
    From: Lyn Dowling <ldowling@...>
    Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 5:52 PM

    Salvete omnes,

     

    I love Hollywood movies about Rome . . . sort of like I love influenza. But sometimes, you hold out foolish hope.

     

    Several years ago in a newsroom, someone from the entertainment department came in and announced that a movie would be made about Hannibal.

     

    “Yay! About time! Someone should have done that years ago,” quoth I. “As long as it’s true to the record and doesn’t paint Hannibal up as the good guy.”

     

    “Good guy? Record? Do you mean that cannibal from Wisconsin?”

     

    “Cannibal?”

     

    <Reporter shrugs at the utter nerdishness of his colleague> “Of course: Hannibal the cannibal. It’s a sequel to ‘Silence of the Lambs’.”

     

    <Crestfallen> “Aw, geez . . . I thought someone finally was going to get around to the Barcids and the Punic Wars.”

     

    Valete,

    ld

     

    (who still is more thrilled by the discovery, we hope, of the Lupercale)

     

     

     

     

     

     

     


    From: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Nova- Roma@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Marcus Valerius Traianus
    Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:56 PM
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists

     

     

    Here is the link : http://www.telegrap h.co.uk/news/ worldnews/ europe/italy/ 3210339/Gladiato r-tomb-discovere d-by-archeologis ts.html

    Archeologists have unearthed the tomb of a Roman general thought to have inspired the character played by Russell Crowe in the film 'Gladiator'.

     

    By Nick Squires in Rome
    Last Updated: 4:20PM BST 16 Oct 2008

     

    Elements of the life of Marcus Nonius Macrinus were incorporated into the character of Maximus Decimus Meridius, played by Russell Crowe.

    The 1,800-year-old stone mausoleum on the banks of the River Tiber was hailed by experts as an "extraordinary discovery" and one of the most important Roman finds for decades.
    It was built to contain the remains of Marcus Nonius Macrinus, a proconsul and a favourite of Marcus Aurelius, who ruled as emperor from 161 AD to his death in 180 AD.
    Macrinus was born in Brescia, in northern Italy, and won victories leading Roman legions into battle.
    He became a confidant of Emperor Aurelius, being appointed a proconsul in Asia Minor and describing himself as "chosen out of the closest friends".
    Elements of his life were incorporated into Maximus Decimus Meridius, the fictional character for which Crowe won an Oscar in the 2000 film Gladiator, directed by Ridley Scott.
    In the award-winning film, Maximus is a battle-hardened general and a protégé of the emperor, just as Marcus Nonius Macrinus was.
    The intricately carved marble tomb, complete with a stone inscription identifying it as that of Macrinus, was found near the Via Flaminia, one of the arterial roads which led in and out of ancient Rome.
    The jumble of broken columns, friezes and stone blocks was discovered during the demolition of a warehouse, along with remarkably intact parts of the original Roman road.
    "It's been at least 20 or 30 years since a relic of this importance has come to light in Rome," said a senior archeologist, Daniela Rossi.
    Over the centuries parts of the tomb crumbled into the Tiber but enough has been recovered during months of painstaking excavation work that experts are discussing the possibility of reconstructing it as the focus of an archeological park.
    In the award-winning film, Emperor Marcus Aurelius, played by Richard Harris, is murdered by his ruthless son Commodus, who declares himself emperor and sets about destroying Maximus, ordering the murder of his wife and child.
    Slave traders take the shattered Maximus to North Africa, where he is sold to a gladiator school and trained as a fighter.
    Returning to Rome seeking revenge, he eventually kills Commodus in a bloody showdown in the Colosseum, which was famous for its gladiatorial contests.
    The film's scriptwriters also based the character of Maximus on Spartacus, who led a slave revolt against Rome in the 1st century BC, and Narcissus, a wrestler who brought Commodus' reign as emperor to an abrupt end by strangling him.
    Commodus is believed to have been the only Roman emperor to have taken part in gladiatorial contests.
    Last year archeologists in Rome found a mosaic which they believe depicts a favourite sparring partner of the emperor, named Montanus.
    The mosaic shows the gladiator holding a trident over a prone opponent who he has apparently defeated in hand-to-hand combat.

     


     

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58255 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    > A.Galerio Aureliano <galerius_of_rome@...> wrote:
    > Salvete omnes,
    > I must agree.It is quite contagious as well.
    > Vive l'Empereur!
    > Valete optime,
    > A.Galerio Aureliano

    Valete, amici!

    Here in Brazil we don't have some great historical caracters, like
    Napoleon. Brazil is a just a 508-years-old country (too young for the
    europeans). But, maybe for this, we love Napoleon (despite brazilians
    don't like monarchy, kings and stuff...).

    I think Napoleon was a great, perhaps the greater, caracter in his
    time! A person who, from zero, become a Emperor, taking the crown
    from Pope's hands and putting it by himself in his own head (I love
    this part of history).

    Vale & Valete
    C•ARM•RECCANELLVS•MAIOR
    ======================
    "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58256 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe

    From the Times:

     

    Richard Owen, in Rome

    Archeologists say that they have found the underground passage in which the Emperor Caligula was murdered by his own Praetorian Guard to put an end to his deranged reign of terror.

    Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (AD12–AD41), known by his nickname Caligula (Little Boots), was the third emperor of the Roman Empire after Augustus and Tiberius, and like them a member of the Julio-Claudian dynasty.

    His assassination was the result of a conspiracy by members of the Senate who hoped to restore the Roman Republic. However the Praetorian Guard declared Caligula’s uncle Claudius emperor instead, thus preserving the monarchy.

    Maria Antonietta Tomei, a Rome archeologist, said a cryptoportico or underground corridor discovered beneath the imperial palaces on the Palatine Hill matched exactly the description given by the Rome historian Suetonius, who says that the Emperor was stabbed to death after watching an entertainment. He left via the passageway, where the Praetorian Guard led by its commander, Cassius Chaerea, was lying in wait.

    Professor Tomei said she was “absolutely convinced” that the cryptportico was the one in which Caligula met his end. Although it bore builders’ stamps from the time of Claudius, it already existed at the time of Caligula, and had only been restructured by his uncle and successor.

    “It is clear that it was Claudius and not Nero, as commonly thought, who gave shape to the imperial palace complex on the Palatine Hill,” she said.

    According to Suetonius and the Jewish historian Josephus, Caligula’s assassins also stabbed to death his wife, Caesonia, and killed their infant daughter, Julia Drusilla, by smashing her head against a wall. Caligula’s body was burnt and the ashes interred at the Mausoleum of Augustus, which is still standing near the Tiber. Now a ruin, its tombs were ransacked during the Barbarian invasions of the fifth century.

    Unlike his father Germanicus, a widely admired and upright Roman general, Caligula became a byword for cruelty, excess, insanity and sexual perversion. His nickname derived from the fact that as a small boy he dressed up in a miniature uniform while accompanying his father on military campaigns.

    Some scholars maintain that Caligula murdered Tiberius to ensure the succession, or at least ordered his murder. On becoming emperor Caligula was at first hailed as the son of Germanicus, but his behaviour became increasingly psychopathic after he fell ill in AD37 and nearly died. He had all possible opponents, real and imagined — including members of his own family — banished or killed, and seized their properties.

    He also proclaimed himself a living god. According to Suetonius, Caligula had incestuous sex with with his sisters Agrippina, Drusilla and Julia Livilla. He also supposedly tried to confer the title of consul on his favourite horse, Incitatus, who had a stable of marble and a collar of precious stones, and had flakes of gold mixed into his oats. Some historians have suggested, however, that such stories were embellished or even invented by Caligula’s many enemies.

     

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58257 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Gladiator tomb discovered by archeologists
    C. Petronius omnibus spd,

    With some photographs here :

    Roll a little the page out:

    http://www.topix.com/science/archaeology

    Valete.

    C. Petronius Dexter
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58258 From: mike orley Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    Salvete Omnes:
     
    Glad to see such an interest in Napoleon and his times; as a military history student he has always fascinated me.
     
    For all folks interested, there is a fascinating book called "Ride with Me" by Charles Costain, that deals with the Peninsular Wars in Spain and also talks about Napoleon's secret Organization called " the society of the Violet", Napoleon was code named Papa Violette.
     
    Valete Omnes et bene

    Michael P. Orley

    --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Christer Edling <christer.edling@...> wrote:
    From: Christer Edling <christer.edling@...>
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Napoleon
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 7:26 AM

    Salvete Quirites!

    I can't hold myself back as great admirer of the Napoleonic era. I have over 300 books about the era, most from the 1900th century. The Emperor is one of the most interesting subjects for study during the days that has been named after him. I find him to be as interesting as Caesar, even though he is not a Roman of Roman times. ;-)

    I am happy to see friends from every corner of Nova Roma among those who are interested in these times. So why not agreeing these friends with a:

    Vive l'Empereur!

    ************

    16 okt 2008 kl. 20.12 skrev M•IVL•SEVERVS:

    Salvete omnes,
     
    Being a staunch admirer of Napoleon the Great since my childhood, I just want to repeat what Palladius adequately wrote:
     
    Vive l'Empereur!
     
    And as Maior says, Napoleon was a liberator, not a tyrant.
     
    Valete,

    M•IVL•SEVERVS

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58259 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Maximum number of Senators
    No we do not.  I wonder how many of the 81% male Nova Romans are married, yet their wife is not among the 19%.  How can Roman community be built when it is not felt at the most foundational level -- in the family.

    Valete:

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

    On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Gaius Petronius Dexter <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

    C. Petronius Ti. Galerio s.p.d.,

    In which I read :

    "Citizens by Gender
    81% Male – 19% Female."

    Do have we to organize a "Rape of the Sabine women"?

    Vale.

    C. Petronius Dexter

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58260 From: T. Scribonius Agrippa Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Maximum number of Senators
    I don't see "citisens by age" there. I think it could be an explanation.

    Hm... And it is of course hard to find a roman wife this days...

    Valete
    T. Scribonius Agrippa

    David Kling (Modianus) writes:
    > No we do not. I wonder how many of the 81% male Nova Romans are
    > married, yet their wife is not among the 19%. How can Roman community
    > be built when it is not felt at the most foundational level -- in the
    > family.
    >
    > Valete:
    >
    > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
    >
    > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Gaius Petronius Dexter
    > <jfarnoud94@... <mailto:jfarnoud94@...>> wrote:
    >
    > C. Petronius Ti. Galerio s.p.d.,
    >
    >
    >
    > > http://novaroma.org/nr/Edictum_censoris_de_censu_anni_MMDCCLX
    > <http://novaroma.org/nr/Edictum_censoris_de_censu_anni_MMDCCLX>
    >
    > In which I read :
    >
    > "Citizens by Gender
    > 81% Male – 19% Female."
    >
    > Do have we to organize a "Rape of the Sabine women"?
    >
    > Vale.
    >
    > C. Petronius Dexter
    >
    >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58261 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Maximum number of Senators
    Salve Dexter!

    P'th! Tsk tsk about the rape with a slap on the wrist, we are in the
    midst of elections let's put forth a little political correctness...
    but I know you meant no harm.

    Actually those are good odds. Approx. 4 males to each woman. I see no
    problem with that actually....

    I do however agree with Modianus, wives and daughters should count
    more. Not certain about how to do such because I have not given it
    much thought but the entire family should count in some way but
    Assidui and citizenship should still be earned through the normal
    channels; paid taxes, probationary period and citizenship exam. In
    ancient Rome women did not have the vote; their paterfamilias did as
    you probably well know. However women were influential and perhaps in
    some NR families they still are with regards to their partner's
    contribution to NR.

    Valé, et valéte

    Julia Aquila


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
    <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
    >
    > No we do not. I wonder how many of the 81% male Nova Romans are
    married,
    > yet their wife is not among the 19%. How can Roman community be
    built when
    > it is not felt at the most foundational level -- in the family.
    >
    > Valete:
    >
    > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
    >
    > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Gaius Petronius Dexter <
    > jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
    >
    > > C. Petronius Ti. Galerio s.p.d.,
    > >
    > >
    > > > http://novaroma.org/nr/Edictum_censoris_de_censu_anni_MMDCCLX
    > >
    > > In which I read :
    > >
    > > "Citizens by Gender
    > > 81% Male – 19% Female."
    > >
    > > Do have we to organize a "Rape of the Sabine women"?
    > >
    > > Vale.
    > >
    > > C. Petronius Dexter
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58262 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe
    Salve Lyn,

    This is a very good and informative post! I just wanted to say I have
    enjoyed the information you post and have learned a few details I may
    have missed. And yes I do double check as part of my eternally
    continuing education and I always try to give credit for
    disagreements between credible scholars.
    Thank you.

    Optime vale,

    Julia Aquila

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lyn Dowling" <ldowling@...> wrote:
    >
    > From the Times:
    >
    >
    >
    > Richard Owen, in Rome
    >
    > Archeologists say that they have found the underground passage in
    which the
    > Emperor Caligula was murdered by his own Praetorian Guard to put an
    end to
    > his deranged reign of terror.
    >
    > Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (AD12-AD41), known by his
    nickname
    > Caligula (Little Boots), was the third emperor of the Roman Empire
    after
    > Augustus and Tiberius, and like them a member of the Julio-Claudian
    dynasty.
    >
    >
    > His assassination was the result of a conspiracy by members of the
    Senate
    > who hoped to restore the Roman Republic. However the Praetorian
    Guard
    > declared Caligula's uncle Claudius emperor instead, thus preserving
    the
    > monarchy.
    >
    > Maria Antonietta Tomei, a Rome archeologist, said a cryptoportico or
    > underground corridor discovered beneath the imperial palaces on the
    Palatine
    > Hill matched exactly the description given by the Rome historian
    Suetonius,
    > who says that the Emperor was stabbed to death after watching an
    > entertainment. He left via the passageway, where the Praetorian
    Guard led by
    > its commander, Cassius Chaerea, was lying in wait.
    >
    > Professor Tomei said she was "absolutely convinced" that the
    cryptportico
    > was the one in which Caligula met his end. Although it bore
    builders' stamps
    > from the time of Claudius, it already existed at the time of
    Caligula, and
    > had only been restructured by his uncle and successor.
    >
    > "It is clear that it was Claudius and not Nero, as commonly
    thought, who
    > gave shape to the imperial palace complex on the Palatine Hill,"
    she said.
    >
    > According to Suetonius and the Jewish historian Josephus, Caligula's
    > assassins also stabbed to death his wife, Caesonia, and killed
    their infant
    > daughter, Julia Drusilla, by smashing her head against a wall.
    Caligula's
    > body was burnt and the ashes interred at the Mausoleum of Augustus,
    which is
    > still standing near the Tiber. Now a ruin, its tombs were ransacked
    during
    > the Barbarian invasions of the fifth century.
    >
    > Unlike his father Germanicus, a widely admired and upright Roman
    general,
    > Caligula became a byword for cruelty, excess, insanity and sexual
    > perversion. His nickname derived from the fact that as a small boy
    he
    > dressed up in a miniature uniform while accompanying his father on
    military
    > campaigns.
    >
    > Some scholars maintain that Caligula murdered Tiberius to ensure the
    > succession, or at least ordered his murder. On becoming emperor
    Caligula was
    > at first hailed as the son of Germanicus, but his behaviour became
    > increasingly psychopathic after he fell ill in AD37 and nearly
    died. He had
    > all possible opponents, real and imagined - including members of
    his own
    > family - banished or killed, and seized their properties.
    >
    > He also proclaimed himself a living god. According to Suetonius,
    Caligula
    > had incestuous sex with with his sisters Agrippina, Drusilla and
    Julia
    > Livilla. He also supposedly tried to confer the title of consul on
    his
    > favourite horse, Incitatus, who had a stable of marble and a collar
    of
    > precious stones, and had flakes of gold mixed into his oats. Some
    historians
    > have suggested, however, that such stories were embellished or even
    invented
    > by Caligula's many enemies.
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58263 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Women in Nova Roma (was Maximum number of Senators)
    L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> writes:

    > I do however agree with Modianus, wives and daughters should count
    > more.

    They count just as much as any other citizen. My wife and both my
    daughters are assidui citizens of Nova Roma. They all avoid the Yahoo
    e-mail lists like the plague and don't want to have anything to do
    with NR politics, but they're definitely engaged in local activities.

    From my years as censor, I'd estimate that new citizen applications
    run about 10:1 male to female. But of the women who do apply, I'd
    also estimate that a higher percentage of them actually stick around
    to complete their probationary citizenship and become full citizens.
    Many of them don't ever appear here in the main list because they've
    gotten the word from some place or other that this can be a nasty
    place. While that's largely an echo of past times, such reputations
    are very hard to get past and I can understand why people with limited
    time for online activity would choose to do something else.

    Vale,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58264 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Poplicola's Candidacy for Quaestor
    Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.

    Salvete, cives! This is Quintus Valerius Poplicola coming before the
    people and donning the toga candidata to run for the noble office of
    Quaestor. As many of you know, I am a recent citizen, but am already
    Flamen Falacer, archon of Sodalitas Graeciae, and have been observing
    and participating in the consular and aedilician cohorts. As a
    student, I've studied Latin and Roman culture as my major, and also
    Greek. I've been studying Roman law, religion, and finances, and
    latine loqui possum. I am eager and willing and useful to all the
    magistrates, whoever asks for my help as quaestor.

    I look forward to serving Nova Roma and her Gods!

    Di vos incolumes custodiant et semper ament. optime valete!
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58265 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Napoleon
    Severus Quintiliano omnibusque sal.
     
    Respected and dear friend, Princeps Senatus, although you're right, of course, when you say that Napoléon le Grand was not a Roman of Roman times, I am convinced that he was a true Roman of other times...
    Again: Vive l'Empereur!
     
    Valet, et valete optime,

    M•IVL•SEVERVS

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58266 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: De Candidaturae
    Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.

    Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking for this announcement,
    and tolerating my third post in a row, which might seem excessive.
    Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I do want to point out
    that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding office and
    are also running for a higher office for the next year. This is
    contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year should be
    placed in between offices. While I don't see that it is illegal for
    anyone to run without waiting a year, I would hope that the candidates
    would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait until next year before
    running.

    May the gods help them make the correct choice for the greater good of
    Nova Roma.

    optime valete!
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58267 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Candidate for Censor
    Q. Valerius Poplicola C. Popillio Laenati omnibus quiritbusque S. P. V. D.

    Ave, C. Popilli, et salvete omne! I would like to heartily support
    Gaius Popillius for censor! Having met Laenas in real life, I can
    attest to his integrity, his honesty, his piety, and his love for Rome
    both ancient and reborn. As a senator and consular, he is highly
    esteemed and trusted to make the best choices for Nova Roma.

    I urge all citizens to vote for Gaius Popillius, and no one will be
    disappointed, least of all Roma herself.

    Multas vobis gratias ago! optime valete!

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
    <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
    >
    > Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,
    >
    > I come before you once again in the virtual whitened toga of the
    > candidate to announce that I am standing for the position of Censor.
    >
    > I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for over seven years, since
    > February 2001. In that time, I have been honored to serve as:
    >
    > - Consular Quaestor (organizing our first year of tax
    > collection)
    > - Accensus to two Consuls
    > - Tribune of the Plebs
    > - Governor
    > - Praetor
    > - Consul, and
    > - Lictor.
    >
    > I have been in the Senate for over four years.
    >
    > My Album Civium page can be found here:
    >
    > http://www.novaroma.org/civitas/album?id=1781
    >
    > In my macronational life I am a business owner with over 30 years of
    > experience, a certified public accountant, a certified financial
    > planner, and a few other certified this and that's ;-). I am the
    > proud father of 2 teen daughters.
    >
    > So, I ask you for your support and your vote. I will be pleased to
    > answer any questions, either on the Main List or privately at:
    >
    > gaiuspopillius <at> gmail <dot> com.
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58268 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    So all those who don't wait a year are dishonorable?

    How many of Nova Roma's magistrates current and past have not waited a year?  Are all of us dishonorable?

    Mos Maiorum.  This is not the first time someone has used this to support their own agenda.  Are you referring to the mos maiorum from seventeen hundred years ago?  Or the mos maiorum established when Nova Roma was founded?  Current custom is much different.  Which is more valid?

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

    On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:

    Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.

    Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking for this announcement,
    and tolerating my third post in a row, which might seem excessive.
    Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I do want to point out
    that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding office and
    are also running for a higher office for the next year. This is
    contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year should be
    placed in between offices. While I don't see that it is illegal for
    anyone to run without waiting a year, I would hope that the candidates
    would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait until next year before
    running.

    May the gods help them make the correct choice for the greater good of
    Nova Roma.

    optime valete!




    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58269 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Quintus Poplicola for Quaestor
    C. Popillius Laneas Q. Valerio Poplicolae omnibus quiritbusque S.P.D.

    Thank you amice for your kind words.

    I also endorse your candidacy for Quaestor. I know you will do a fine
    job.

    Vale et valete.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58270 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    > So all those who don't wait a year are dishonorable?
    >
    > How many of Nova Roma's magistrates current and past have not waited a
    > year? Are all of us dishonorable?

    Salve, Modianus et omnes. Well, on my own side, not only I have committed the "horrible crime" of candidating myself as Censor before having been anything else but a scriba for you... (I've never been a Diribitor, a Rogator, a Quaestor or a Praetor, let alone a Consul, and I am not a senator)... but, worst of all, I announced my candidacy while I am STILL a Plebeian Aedile and I STILL have to set up and manage the Ludi Plebeii in November.

    I know I am undermining my own candidacy in saying this, but I can't do anything else about it except being fully honest and sincere, because that is my nature.

    Bene vale et valete,
    Placidus
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58271 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Salve:

    You will have my vote and my support in your candidacy.  I believe you would make a fine censor.  You have worked diligently and selflessly for Nova Roma.

    You do yourself NO dishonor.

    Vale;

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

    On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Ugo Coppola <ugo.coppola@...> wrote:

    > So all those who don't wait a year are dishonorable?
    >
    > How many of Nova Roma's magistrates current and past have not waited a
    > year? Are all of us dishonorable?

    Salve, Modianus et omnes. Well, on my own side, not only I have committed the "horrible crime" of candidating myself as Censor before having been anything else but a scriba for you... (I've never been a Diribitor, a Rogator, a Quaestor or a Praetor, let alone a Consul, and I am not a senator)... but, worst of all, I announced my candidacy while I am STILL a Plebeian Aedile and I STILL have to set up and manage the Ludi Plebeii in November.

    I know I am undermining my own candidacy in saying this, but I can't do anything else about it except being fully honest and sincere, because that is my nature.

    Bene vale et valete,
    Placidus



    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58272 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Women in Nova Roma (was Maximum number of Senators)
    Salve Marinus,

    Many of them don't ever appear here in the main list because they've
    > gotten the word from some place or other that this can be a nasty
    > place. While that's largely an echo of past times, such
    reputations
    > are very hard to get past and I can understand why people with
    limited
    > time for online activity would choose to do something else.

    Wholeheartedly agree!

    Vale,

    Aquila


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> writes:
    >
    > > I do however agree with Modianus, wives and daughters should count
    > > more.
    >
    > They count just as much as any other citizen. My wife and both my
    > daughters are assidui citizens of Nova Roma. They all avoid the
    Yahoo
    > e-mail lists like the plague and don't want to have anything to do
    > with NR politics, but they're definitely engaged in local
    activities.
    >
    > From my years as censor, I'd estimate that new citizen
    applications
    > run about 10:1 male to female. But of the women who do apply, I'd
    > also estimate that a higher percentage of them actually stick
    around
    > to complete their probationary citizenship and become full
    citizens.
    > Many of them don't ever appear here in the main list because
    they've
    > gotten the word from some place or other that this can be a nasty
    > place. While that's largely an echo of past times, such
    reputations
    > are very hard to get past and I can understand why people with
    limited
    > time for online activity would choose to do something else.
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58273 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Maximum number of Senators
    Salve,

    Hey! I'm still single, hehe.

    Vale
    - Annia Minucia Marcella
    Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
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    T. Scribonius Agrippa wrote:
    > I don't see "citisens by age" there. I think it could be an explanation.
    >
    > Hm... And it is of course hard to find a roman wife this days...
    >
    > Valete
    > T. Scribonius Agrippa
    >
    >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58274 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Women in Nova Roma (was Maximum number of Senators)
    Maior Aquilae sal;
    Dexter was being witty and historical. He doesn't have to apologize
    for anything, censor himself, nor should you even mention 'political
    correctness' This is Nova Roma, we admire and live the ancient Roman
    culture in our daily lives; that's our aim!
    I'm trying to explain that our culture here is different from what
    you are used to. To be fully Roman is to embrace free speech.

    As for 'NR needs more women', as my friend Cordus explained to me & I
    agree; we regard that like 'we need more citizens' why? Quality takes
    precedance over quantity.
    I want citizens who want to live their romanitas.
    and yes, I know and am encouraging 2 prospective female cives to
    join NR, who love Rome, classics etc on their own, not because their
    boyfriend/spouse is involved.
    optime vale
    M.Hortensia Maior

    >
    > P'th! Tsk tsk about the rape with a slap on the wrist, we are in the
    > midst of elections let's put forth a little political correctness...
    > but I know you meant no harm.
    >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58275 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Equus October : conclusion
    L. Livia Plauta C. Petronio Dextro s.p.d.

    Well, at least all our horses are alive, Petroni!
    I think we plebeians reaped all the benefits without the disadvantages.
    I'm glad to still have my horses, even if my gladiators didn't perform
    as well as yours.

    Vale,
    Livia


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
    <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
    >
    > C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,
    >
    > Once again, my chariot Incitatus, Stolo being chariotter, had a bad
    race. He was third and did not can represent the plebeian flag and
    colours against the patricians. (The Gallic goddess Epona was
    forgotten in my prayers. I will pray her the next time.)
    >
    > I am proud of my young runner Euryalus and my mirmillo Hierocles,
    both winner with the tail and the head of the horse sacrified at the
    god Mars.
    >
    > Plebeians can be proud to have so well honoured the God Mars on this
    October Equus day.
    > And now our plebeian Turris Mamilia has its ornament of Victory.
    >
    > Valete.
    >
    > C. Petronius Dexter.
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Message d'origine -----
    > De : Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
    > À : Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Envoyé le : Mercredi, 15 Octobre 2008, 23h20mn 09s
    > Objet : [Nova-Roma] Equus October : conclusion
    >
    > Aed. P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.
    >
    > In conclusion:
    >
    > 1/ Plebs wins vs Nobilitas, but shortly:
    >
    > - Patricians have won the chariot race (Amor, Bebriaca char., owner D.
    > Octavia Aventina, Gallia, driving for Albata and Jupiter) ;
    > - Plebeians have won the horse's tail race (Euryalus, owner C.
    > Petronius Dexter, Gallia, running for Veneta and Portunus and Janus -
    > nb. Dexter is also Flamen Portunalis !)
    > - Plebeians have won the head's fight (Hierocles, owner C. Petronius
    > Dexter, Gallia, for Veneta and Portunus and Janus).
    >
    > 2/ Worrying signs have appeared through bad results for Praesini
    > (Green), our City symbolic color, specially the last position in Campus
    > Martius race. These signs seem however being balanced by the good
    > achievement of the other rituals (the horse sacrifice, the tail on the
    > Regia altar, the fact that the winning neighborhood has not faced any
    > difficulty hanging the horse head upon its wall).
    >
    > 3/ Despite a hard beginning about its entries, Equus October has
    > finally been a success. Naturally, we could have met more enthusiasm,
    > but I have been rejoiced by the civic involvement of the citizens who
    > have understood that their individual participation could bring much
    > for keeping our tradition.
    > I thus wish, among others, thanking specially Censor Marinus, Tribune
    > Livia, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, Russati leader, much available Brasilian
    > Arminii (Genialis and Reccanellus) and all the Galli. Thanks also to
    > Cos. Sabinus for the help on the ritual for Jupiter and Mars we did
    > this morning, and to Censorius Marinus for, as Albati leader has made
    > all what he could to mobilize his troops.
    >
    > 4/ I have been personally honored, but also glad to live this day,
    > whose "ludi" events have been interested for Fortuna and the tactics
    > chosen by the owners have given balanced results, and exciting "events
    > in the events", that we will give you a more detailed report in our web
    > pages soon.
    >
    > 5/ Final congratulations to:
    >
    > - the Plebs, and also special thanks for Tribune Aquila, who has,
    > beside Livia Tribuna, well contributed to mobilize his order;
    >
    > - our rather fresh citizen, C. Petronius Dexter, who has won today two
    > events, and the decisive one inside!
    >
    > - Galli, who has won, for different orders, all the events.
    >
    >
    > The aedilitas curulis is happy to give now the relay to Aedilis Plebis
    > Placidus and assistants, for Ludi Plebei, next month!
    >
    >
    > Valete omnes,
    >
    >
    > P. Memmius Albucius
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    >
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    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58276 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Salve Poplicola,
    I agree with Modianus here. Mos Maiorum in Nova Roma seems not to
    involve waiting one year.
    Of course, the sad truth is also that if everybody waited one year we
    wouldn't have enough candidates.

    Vale,
    Livia


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola"
    <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
    >
    > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.
    >
    > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking for this announcement,
    > and tolerating my third post in a row, which might seem excessive.
    > Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I do want to point out
    > that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding office and
    > are also running for a higher office for the next year. This is
    > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year should be
    > placed in between offices. While I don't see that it is illegal for
    > anyone to run without waiting a year, I would hope that the candidates
    > would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait until next year before
    > running.
    >
    > May the gods help them make the correct choice for the greater good of
    > Nova Roma.
    >
    > optime valete!
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58277 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Ludi Octbr - Mun. gladiatoria 1st day
    Aedilis Memmius Albucius omn. s.d.

    Today has begun the last event in our Ludi Octobris : the munera
    gladiatoria.

    The gladiators entered are the ones their owners have entered for the
    fight around and for the head of the sacrified Equus October, two
    days ago, on Campus Martius.

    Unusually, we have thus a perfect equality between the Patrician and
    Plebeian entries.

    As we have the same 6 + 6 = 12 fighters, we have thus, in this first
    day, six 'proelia'. Here they are, knowing that these proelia have
    been organized first in order to offer the traditional oppositions,
    at best (ex. secutor-retiarius), then drawing lots when several
    gladiators belong to the same category (for instance we have 5 Thrax
    fighters entered).

    Tomorrow, the six winners will be opposed in a 3v3 table, and, in the
    second part of the afternoon, the three winners will fight each other
    to be clasified at position 1, 2, and 3. The following places will be
    given according the gladiator against whom the classified fighter
    would have lost (for ex, the 4th will be the last looser vs. the
    winner of the munera, the 5th vs. the 2nd, and so on).

    1st fight:

    Gladiator : Arctos
    Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R
    vs.
    Gladiator : Mareotis
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    Usual type: Dimach.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : A

    2nd fight:

    Gladiator : Hierocles
    Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    Usual type: Mirm.
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : V
    vs.
    Gladiator : Anastasios
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    Usual type: Hopl.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : A

    3 rd fight:

    Gladiator : Verruncundus
    Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    Usual type: Sec.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : P
    vs.
    Gladiator : Ursos
    Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    Usual type: Ret.
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R

    4 th fight:

    Gladiator : Lucanus
    Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    Usual type: Hopl.
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : V
    vs.
    Gladiator : Adlusor
    Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    Usual type: Ret.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : R

    5th fight:

    Gladiator : Dorothea
    Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R
    vs.
    Gladiator : Butio
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : R


    6th fight:

    Gladiator : Nemo
    Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R
    vs.
    Gladiator : Cunctator
    Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : P


    Results will come asap.


    Valete omnes,



    P. Memmius Albucius
    aed. cur.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58278 From: geranioj@aol.com Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe
    This is wonderful news!!  JC sites are rare!


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Lyn Dowling <ldowling@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 5:53 am
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe

    From the Times:
     
    Richard Owen, in Rome
    Archeologists say that they have found the underground passage in which the Emperor Caligula was murdered by his own Praetorian Guard to put an end to his deranged reign of terror.
    0A
    Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (AD12–AD41), known by his nickname Caligula (Little Boots), was the third emperor of the Roman Empire after Augustus and Tiberius, and like them a member of the Julio-Claudian dynasty.
    His assassination was the result of a conspiracy by members of the Senate who hoped to restore the Roman Republic. However the Praetorian Guard declared Caligula’s uncle Claudius emperor instead, thus preserving the monarchy.
    Maria Antonietta Tomei, a Rome archeologist, said a cryptoportico or underground corridor discovered beneath the imperial palaces on the Palatine Hill matched exactly the description given by the Rome historian Suetonius, who says that the Emperor was stabbed to death after watching an entertainment. He left via the passageway, where the Praetorian Guard led by its commander, Cassius Chaerea, was lying in wait.
    Professor Tomei said she was “absolutely convinced” that the cryptportico was the one in which Caligula met his end. Although it bore builders’ stamps from the time of Claudius, it already existed at the time of Caligula, and had only been restructured by his uncle and successor.
    “It is clear that it was Claudius and not Nero, as commonly thought, who gave shape to the imperial palace complex on the Palatine Hill,” she said.
    According to Suetonius and the Jewish historian Josephus, Caligula’s assassins also stabbed to death his wife, Caesonia, and killed their infant daughter, Julia Drusilla, by smashing her head against a wall. Caligula’s body was burnt and the ashes interred at the Mausoleum of Augustus, which is still standing near the Tiber. Now a ruin, its tombs were ransacked during the Barbarian invasions of the fifth century.
    Unlike his father Germanicus, a widely admired and upright Roman general, Caligula became a byword for cruelty, excess, insanity and sexual perversion. His nickname derived from the fact that as a small boy he dressed up in a miniature uniform while accompanying his father on military campaigns.
    Some scholars maintain that Caligula murdered Tiberius to ensure the succession, or at least ordered his murder. On becoming emperor Caligula was at first hailed as the son of Germanicus, but his behaviour became increasingly psychopathic after he fell ill in AD37 and nearly died. He had all possible opponents, real and imagined — including members of his own family — banished or killed, and seized their properties.
    He also proclaimed himself a living god. According to Suetonius, Caligula had incestuous sex with with his sisters Agrippina, Drusilla and Julia Livilla. He also supposedly tried to confer the title of consul on his favourite horse, Incitatus, who had a stable of marble and a collar of precious stones, and had flakes of gold mixed into his oats. Some historians have suggested, however, that such stories were embellished or even invented by Caligula’s many enemies.
     
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58279 From: libero Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

     

     

      Spectati Omnes,

     

    let me have a little word about the pagan/christian querelle.

     

    My point, the view of a conservative ITALIAN capite census, is that everybody, until now, didn’t stress the main point: the Religion of the Sate, the Roman State .

    The Religion of Rome, of Rome as a state, as a government, was the “pagan” one.

    Since the Religion of Rome as a state stopped being the pagan one, we indeed had Christian citizens. So why not having christian citizens today?

    But, and this is the point, if Nova Roma is somehow a State with a Government, what is the Religion of this government?

    If it is pagan, it’s a nonsense to be christians and citizens at the same time.

    If it’s not pagan, I don’t see the problem of being a christian citizen.

    Are we speaking about sacra privata or publica?

    This is the point, the only point.

     

    Gallus Solaris Alexander

     

    ITALIA

    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58280 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > Salve Poplicola,
    > I agree with Modianus here. Mos Maiorum in Nova Roma seems not to
    > involve waiting one year.
    > Of course, the sad truth is also that if everybody waited one year
    we
    > wouldn't have enough candidates.
    >
    > Vale,
    > Livia
    >

    Salvete omnes,

    I think both of the statements above are true. Early on there simply
    were not enough cives and the habit of consecutive magistracies was
    begun. I think most of us who have run the cursus have held
    consecutive offices.

    I don't think mi amice Poplicola was intenting to provoke however.

    Valete,

    C. Popillius Laenas
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58281 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Ludi Octbr - Mun. gladiatoria 1st day
    Aedile Albucius Lusoribus omn.que s.d.

    The Gladiators' fights have given the following results:


    1st fight:

    Gladiator : Mareotis
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    Usual type: Dimach.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : A

    defeats largely

    Gladiator : Arctos
    Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R



    2nd fight:

    Gladiator : Hierocles
    Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    Usual type: Mirm.
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : V

    defeats largely

    Gladiator : Anastasios
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    Usual type: Hopl.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : A

    3 rd fight:

    Gladiator : Verruncundus
    Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    Usual type: Sec.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : P

    defeats close

    Gladiator : Ursos
    Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    Usual type: Ret..
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R

    4 th fight:

    Gladiator : Adlusor
    Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    Usual type: Ret..
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : R

    defeats with no contest

    Gladiator : Lucanus
    Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    Usual type: Hopl.
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : V


    5th fight:

    Gladiator : Butio
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : R

    defeats at the last time

    Gladiator : Dorothea
    Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R



    6th fight:

    Gladiator : Nemo
    Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R

    defeats largely

    Gladiator : Cunctator
    Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : P


    Tomorrow, the following fights have been drawn by lots:

    This time, we see that the Patricians have an advantage: 4 gladiators
    vs. 2... :

    1st fight:

    Gladiator : Mareotis
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    Usual type: Dimach.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : A
    vs.
    Gladiator : Verruncundus
    Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    Usual type: Sec.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : P

    2nd fight:
    Gladiator : Hierocles
    Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    Usual type: Mirm.
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : V
    vs.
    Gladiator : Adlusor
    Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    Usual type: Ret..
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : R


    3 rd fight:

    Gladiator : Butio
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : R
    vs.
    Gladiator : Nemo
    Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R


    Valete lusores et omnes,



    P. Memmius Albucius
    aed. cur.


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
    <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
    >
    > Aedilis Memmius Albucius omn. s.d.
    >
    > Today has begun the last event in our Ludi Octobris : the munera
    > gladiatoria.
    >
    > The gladiators entered are the ones their owners have entered for
    the
    > fight around and for the head of the sacrified Equus October, two
    > days ago, on Campus Martius.
    >
    > Unusually, we have thus a perfect equality between the Patrician
    and
    > Plebeian entries.
    >
    > As we have the same 6 + 6 = 12 fighters, we have thus, in this
    first
    > day, six 'proelia'. Here they are, knowing that these proelia have
    > been organized first in order to offer the traditional oppositions,
    > at best (ex. secutor-retiarius), then drawing lots when several
    > gladiators belong to the same category (for instance we have 5
    Thrax
    > fighters entered).
    >
    > Tomorrow, the six winners will be opposed in a 3v3 table, and, in
    the
    > second part of the afternoon, the three winners will fight each
    other
    > to be clasified at position 1, 2, and 3. The following places will
    be
    > given according the gladiator against whom the classified fighter
    > would have lost (for ex, the 4th will be the last looser vs. the
    > winner of the munera, the 5th vs. the 2nd, and so on).
    >
    > 1st fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Arctos
    > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Mareotis
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > Usual type: Dimach.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : A
    >
    > 2nd fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Hierocles
    > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > Usual type: Mirm.
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : V
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Anastasios
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > Usual type: Hopl.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : A
    >
    > 3 rd fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Verruncundus
    > Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    > Usual type: Sec.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : P
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Ursos
    > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > Usual type: Ret.
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    >
    > 4 th fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Lucanus
    > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > Usual type: Hopl.
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : V
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Adlusor
    > Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    > Usual type: Ret.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : R
    >
    > 5th fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Dorothea
    > Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Butio
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : R
    >
    >
    > 6th fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Nemo
    > Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Cunctator
    > Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : P
    >
    >
    > Results will come asap.
    >
    >
    > Valete omnes,
    >
    >
    >
    > P. Memmius Albucius
    > aed. cur.
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58282 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.

        The question, "Which mos maiorum is more valid?" actually has many questions within it. What does "valid" mean? Does it mean we must follow it blindly? Or does it mean that it is a good idea that should be pursued when possible? To answer the question, "which?", I think I would answer, "Both."
        I believe it is a good idea for people to wait one year between magistracies. Yet, if we don't have enough candidates, it is probably better to fill offices than leave them empty. So, the main problem is a lack of candidates which can be traced to a small citizenry (or, in some cases, possibly too many offices). If we had more candidates, then people COULD take a year between offices. Only a subset of citizens are interested in helping to run Nova Roma; many just want to be involved in activities.

    Optime valete!
     
    --
    Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
    Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
    Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
    http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58283 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    What was he trying to provoke then?  He has made definitive statements of fact:

    "I do want to point out that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding office and are also running for a higher office for the next year. This is contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year should be placed in between offices."

    He claims, "This is contrary to the mos maiorum..."  To which mos maiorum does he refer?  What is his point?  To compel some people to step out of the elections, or to compel people to not vote for some candidates?

    His mos maiorum claim is simply rubbish!

    At one time the "Mos maiorum" stated only Patricians could take auspices.  That was changed, and so where countless other traditions held within the "mos maiorum."  Nova Roma is establishing its own traditions and appeals to the "mos maiorum" are simply fallacious attempts to promote one's own agenda.

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus


    On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, gaiuspopilliuslaenas <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...>
    wrote:


    >
    > Salve Poplicola,
    > I agree with Modianus here. Mos Maiorum in Nova Roma seems not to
    > involve waiting one year.
    > Of course, the sad truth is also that if everybody waited one year
    we
    > wouldn't have enough candidates.
    >
    > Vale,
    > Livia
    >

    Salvete omnes,

    I think both of the statements above are true. Early on there simply
    were not enough cives and the habit of consecutive magistracies was
    begun. I think most of us who have run the cursus have held
    consecutive offices.

    I don't think mi amice Poplicola was intenting to provoke however.

    Valete,

    C. Popillius Laenas



    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58284 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Thank you, Modiane, for putting words in my mouth. I never said
    dishonorable. You set up a false dichotomy. However, it would be more
    honorable to honor these traditions of our ancestors. If they don't,
    so be it, but why not wait a year and set exemplary examples?

    As far as I'm concerned, Nova Roma was created with the intent of
    reviving the custom of the ancients, excepting the illegal and
    unethical practices of afore. Is this not the mission still? Why are
    you lashing out, anyway?

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
    <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
    >
    > So all those who don't wait a year are dishonorable?
    >
    > How many of Nova Roma's magistrates current and past have not waited a
    > year? Are all of us dishonorable?
    >
    > Mos Maiorum. This is not the first time someone has used this to
    support
    > their own agenda. Are you referring to the mos maiorum from seventeen
    > hundred years ago? Or the mos maiorum established when Nova Roma was
    > founded? Current custom is much different. Which is more valid?
    >
    > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
    >
    > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <
    > catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
    >
    > > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.
    > >
    > > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking for this announcement,
    > > and tolerating my third post in a row, which might seem excessive.
    > > Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I do want to point out
    > > that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding office and
    > > are also running for a higher office for the next year. This is
    > > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year should be
    > > placed in between offices. While I don't see that it is illegal for
    > > anyone to run without waiting a year, I would hope that the candidates
    > > would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait until next year before
    > > running.
    > >
    > > May the gods help them make the correct choice for the greater good of
    > > Nova Roma.
    > >
    > > optime valete!
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58285 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Poplicola Plautae S. P. D.

    If it came down to no candidates at all, then of course the one year
    custom can be ignored. Custom is custom, not law, for a reason. I
    didn't suggest that we make it law. I suggested that we honor the
    ancient traditions. If we have no good censors running, then may the
    best man win, whether he has no experience or has just completed his
    consulship. However, that doesn't make it good for all occasions.

    bene vale!

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salve Poplicola,
    > I agree with Modianus here. Mos Maiorum in Nova Roma seems not to
    > involve waiting one year.
    > Of course, the sad truth is also that if everybody waited one year we
    > wouldn't have enough candidates.
    >
    > Vale,
    > Livia
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola"
    > <catullus.poeta@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.
    > >
    > > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking for this announcement,
    > > and tolerating my third post in a row, which might seem excessive.
    > > Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I do want to point out
    > > that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding office and
    > > are also running for a higher office for the next year. This is
    > > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year should be
    > > placed in between offices. While I don't see that it is illegal for
    > > anyone to run without waiting a year, I would hope that the candidates
    > > would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait until next year before
    > > running.
    > >
    > > May the gods help them make the correct choice for the greater good of
    > > Nova Roma.
    > >
    > > optime valete!
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58286 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Salve, iterum, Modiane.

    I'm not "provoking" anyone, if you mean provoke as in intending to
    stir up trouble. I'm also not saying "don't vote for this person",
    either. I would rather think that those involved should wait a year.
    Nova Roma won't end or be destroyed by doing so.

    To rebut your non-Roman claims, the mos maiorum statement is not
    "rubbish". But your fiery temper and lack of ability to articulate why
    you think it's a bad idea worries me about your motives.

    I have no agenda. The one year wait is for everyone, and not for a
    particular person. EVERYONE. And of course exceptional circumstances
    are always taken into account.

    Yes, once long ago the mos maiorum was prejudiced. It forbade women
    from running for office. It discriminated against the plebs in
    religious and political life. However, how does waiting a year,
    something which has secular benefits, discriminating against anything?
    It's a helpful suggestion, and I reckon that you're against it this
    year because you have political gain in it. If not, then why be
    against it?

    vale.


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
    <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
    >
    > What was he trying to provoke then? He has made definitive
    statements of
    > fact:
    >
    > "I do want to point out that we have certain magistrates who are
    currently
    > holding office and are also running for a higher office for the next
    year.
    > This is contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year
    should be
    > placed in between offices."
    >
    > He claims, "This is contrary to the mos maiorum..." To which mos
    maiorum
    > does he refer? What is his point? To compel some people to step
    out of the
    > elections, or to compel people to not vote for some candidates?
    >
    > His mos maiorum claim is simply rubbish!
    >
    > At one time the "Mos maiorum" stated only Patricians could take
    auspices.
    > That was changed, and so where countless other traditions held
    within the
    > "mos maiorum." Nova Roma is establishing its own traditions and
    appeals to
    > the "mos maiorum" are simply fallacious attempts to promote one's own
    > agenda.
    >
    > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
    >
    >
    > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, gaiuspopilliuslaenas <
    > gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
    >
    > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>,
    "Lucia
    > > Livia Plauta" <cases@>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > > Salve Poplicola,
    > > > I agree with Modianus here. Mos Maiorum in Nova Roma seems not to
    > > > involve waiting one year.
    > > > Of course, the sad truth is also that if everybody waited one year
    > > we
    > > > wouldn't have enough candidates.
    > > >
    > > > Vale,
    > > > Livia
    > > >
    > >
    > > Salvete omnes,
    > >
    > > I think both of the statements above are true. Early on there simply
    > > were not enough cives and the habit of consecutive magistracies was
    > > begun. I think most of us who have run the cursus have held
    > > consecutive offices.
    > >
    > > I don't think mi amice Poplicola was intenting to provoke however.
    > >
    > > Valete,
    > >
    > > C. Popillius Laenas
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58287 From: C. Marius Lupus Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Artemis Basilia nata est
    C.Marius Basilius omnibus civibus optimis suis S.P.D.

    Dear all,
    it is a week or more that I would like to answer to your nice emails.
    My daughter Artemis had to be operated urgently few days after the
    birth to her heart and we had to move to a different city in Germany
    for the operation. Everything was fine, the operation was perfect and
    it will be just a shocking memory for Artemis' parents. In few days
    the whole family should be back home.
    With my email available, I want to say really thank you to each one
    who wrote an email: even though I could only read and not write the
    email from the hospital, reading your kind message was a source of
    courage for us.
    Nova Roma has been a great community for us.
    Thank you.

    Valete omnes, optimi.

    C.Marius Basilius
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58288 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

    Salvete omnes and thank you very much, Gallus Solaris Alexander,

    >Since the Religion of Rome as a state stopped being the pagan one, we indeed had Christian citizens. So why not having christian citizens today?

    >But, and this is the point, if Nova Roma is somehow a State with a Government, what is the Religion of this government?

    >If it is pagan, it’s a nonsense to be christians and citizens at the same time.

    >If it’s not pagan, I don’t see the problem of being a christian citizen.

    >Are we speaking about sacra privata or publica?

    >This is the point, the only point.>

    And that, dear friends, is exactly why I have not (yet) applied for citizenship.

    I am not about to lie to you about being Roman Catholic or pretend to be something I am not because this is merely (in the eyes of some, perhaps) an online community. Rubbish! In this small corner of Florida, Nova Roma and all things Roman are taken far more seriously than that. Furthermore, you have shown yourselves to be honourable, intelligent people who deserve in turn the sort of honesty you lend to this forum. I would no more offend any Nova Roman by taking citizenship as a non-polytheist than deceive you about my private beliefs.

    As they relate to Rome and Nova Roma, those beliefs probably are more akin to those of a late-Republic Stoic than a medieval Catholic. I don’t believe in proselytizing. If Christians expect to convert people, it should be on the strength of their actions as human beings rather than on sermons or threats. Acta, non verba.

    You will find that some of us are not at all pleased with the role of our religious forefathers in destroying Roman culture, including the state religion. Ironic that, because Christianity probably wouldn’t have caught on as it did, had it not co-opted so many traditional Roman virtues and customs. Frankly, it irritates the living hell out of me when a site of cultural importance in Rome is obscured by some baroque nightmare, or can’t be properly explored because something Christian is in the way. I pray in Latin, not “Church Latin.”

    But I think Christians have grown up; we now understand what we have done and have taken steps to atone. Bracciolini was a secretary to four popes. When no one else wanted to keep our beautiful language, the church retained it, however badly pronounced. The Vatican Museums conserve Roman culture. Universities like Notre Dame stress the importance of Roman history as well as language (properly spoken).

    Will you get most Christians to coexist with, much less understand, pagani? Probably not. Too many Christians would prefer to talk rather than listen. But when millions of people in this world believe in nothing other than themselves and scorn all notion of deitas or divinitas, it cannot hurt to accommodate men and women of good will who believe in a stronger power or powers, even if they do not coincide precisely with our own.

    I am a journalist and could pen volumes about these issues, but it seems to me that you have an issue to be decided: Must a citizen of Nova Roman be a true believer in the gods of Rome?

    Either way, this Christian observer accepts your decision and will respect you eternally.

    Vivat Roma!

    ld

    PS – The vizsla’s name is Gaius. When he came into the house, my brother said, “Hi, guy” and it stuck. Besides, the dog is wonderful, and on the night he arrived, I was involved in a fine conversation with the deeply respected Gaius Petronius Dexter. I took it as an omen. J

     

     

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58289 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Severus Poplicolae omnibusque sal.
     
    Every Nova Roman citizen has the freedom of speech that is one of our most sacred principles.
    But we also want to show respect to our magistrates, and to be polite and civilized, above all.
    So, please restraint yourself whern addressing Censor K. Fabius Buteo Modianus. Let us know that you are a true Roman.
     
    Vale, et valete,

    M•IVL•SEVERVS
    PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58290 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe

    Salve, Julia, et gratias tibi ago.

     

    I am deeply honored by your comments. I scour the Net daily for such news and am delighted to share it.

     

    Vale,

    ld

     

     


    From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of L Julia Aquila
    Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:28 PM
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe

     

    Salve Lyn,

    This is a very good and informative post! I just wanted to say I have
    enjoyed the information you post and have learned a few details I may
    have missed. And yes I do double check as part of my eternally
    continuing education and I always try to give credit for
    disagreements between credible scholars.
    Thank you.

    Optime vale,

    Julia Aquila

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Lyn Dowling" <ldowling@.. .> wrote:

    >
    > From the Times:
    >
    >
    >
    > Richard Owen, in Rome
    >
    > Archeologists say that they have found the underground passage in
    which the
    > Emperor Caligula was murdered by his own Praetorian Guard to put an
    end to
    > his deranged reign of terror.
    >
    > Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (AD12-AD41), known by his
    nickname
    > Caligula (Little Boots), was the third emperor of the Roman Empire
    after
    > Augustus and Tiberius, and like them a member of the Julio-Claudian
    dynasty.
    >
    >
    > His assassination was the result of a conspiracy by members of the
    Senate
    > who hoped to restore the Roman Republic. However the Praetorian
    Guard
    > declared Caligula's uncle Claudius emperor instead, thus preserving
    the
    > monarchy.
    >
    > Maria Antonietta Tomei, a Rome archeologist, said a cryptoportico or
    > underground corridor discovered beneath the imperial palaces on the
    Palatine
    > Hill matched exactly the description given by the Rome historian
    Suetonius,
    > who says that the Emperor was stabbed to death after watching an
    > entertainment. He left via the passageway, where the Praetorian
    Guard led by
    > its commander, Cassius Chaerea, was lying in wait.
    >
    > Professor Tomei said she was "absolutely convinced" that the
    cryptportico
    > was the one in which Caligula met his end. Although it bore
    builders' stamps
    > from the time of Claudius, it already existed at the time of
    Caligula, and
    > had only been restructured by his uncle and successor.
    >
    > "It is clear that it was Claudius and not Nero, as commonly
    thought, who
    > gave shape to the imperial palace complex on the Palatine Hill,"
    she said.
    >
    > According to Suetonius and the Jewish historian Josephus, Caligula's
    > assassins also stabbed to death his wife, Caesonia, and killed
    their infant
    > daughter, Julia Drusilla, by smashing her head against a wall.
    Caligula's
    > body was burnt and the ashes interred at the Mausoleum of Augustus,
    which is
    > still standing near the Tiber. Now a ruin, its tombs were ransacked
    during
    > the Barbarian invasions of the fifth century.
    >
    > Unlike his father Germanicus, a widely admired and upright Roman
    general,
    > Caligula became a byword for cruelty, excess, insanity and sexual
    > perversion. His nickname derived from the fact that as a small boy
    he
    > dressed up in a miniature uniform while accompanying his father on
    military
    > campaigns.
    >
    > Some scholars maintain that Caligula murdered Tiberius to ensure the
    > succession, or at least ordered his murder. On becoming emperor
    Caligula was
    > at first hailed as the son of Germanicus, but his behaviour became
    > increasingly psychopathic after he fell ill in AD37 and nearly
    died. He had
    > all possible opponents, real and imagined - including members of
    his own
    > family - banished or killed, and seized their properties.
    >
    > He also proclaimed himself a living god. According to Suetonius,
    Caligula
    > had incestuous sex with with his sisters Agrippina, Drusilla and
    Julia
    > Livilla. He also supposedly tried to confer the title of consul on
    his
    > favourite horse, Incitatus, who had a stable of marble and a collar
    of
    > precious stones, and had flakes of gold mixed into his oats. Some
    historians
    > have suggested, however, that such stories were embellished or even
    invented
    > by Caligula's many enemies.
    >

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58291 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Salve,Q. Valerius Poplicoa,

    The way I have read your statement it does seem to indicate that you are saying, all magistrates currently holding office and running for another post this year, are not doing the honorable and Roman thing according to the mas maiorum.Then you call upon our Gods, to make them do right thing, and step down until next year.Seems pretty clear to me.

    Vale,
    Appius Galerius Aurelianus


    --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:

    > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...>
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] De Candidaturae
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:10 PM
    > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.
    >
    > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking for this
    > announcement,
    > and tolerating my third post in a row, which might seem
    > excessive.
    > Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I do want to
    > point out
    > that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding
    > office and
    > are also running for a higher office for the next year.
    > This is
    > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year
    > should be
    > placed in between offices. While I don't see that it is
    > illegal for
    > anyone to run without waiting a year, I would hope that the
    > candidates
    > would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait until next
    > year before
    > running.
    >
    > May the gods help them make the correct choice for the
    > greater good of
    > Nova Roma.
    >
    > optime valete!

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58292 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Well, if they're just power hungry and want to grab it up without
    regard to others, than that is indeed dishonorable. If they have
    legitimate reasons, such as lack of good candidates, then of course
    it's not dishonorable. The right choice isn't necessarily wait one
    year. But that's most honorable.

    Candidates will make the choices they make. I was addressing them, and
    not the censor, and not the electorate. The electorate will decide
    based on their own reasons. I just had pointed out to those candidates
    what would be more honorable.

    May the Gods protect us *all*.

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > Salve,Q. Valerius Poplicoa,
    >
    > The way I have read your statement it does seem to indicate that you
    are saying, all magistrates currently holding office and running for
    another post this year, are not doing the honorable and Roman thing
    according to the mas maiorum.Then you call upon our Gods, to make them
    do right thing, and step down until next year.Seems pretty clear to me.
    >
    > Vale,
    > Appius Galerius Aurelianus
    >
    >
    > --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
    >
    > > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...>
    > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] De Candidaturae
    > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:10 PM
    > > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.
    > >
    > > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking for this
    > > announcement,
    > > and tolerating my third post in a row, which might seem
    > > excessive.
    > > Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I do want to
    > > point out
    > > that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding
    > > office and
    > > are also running for a higher office for the next year.
    > > This is
    > > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year
    > > should be
    > > placed in between offices. While I don't see that it is
    > > illegal for
    > > anyone to run without waiting a year, I would hope that the
    > > candidates
    > > would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait until next
    > > year before
    > > running.
    > >
    > > May the gods help them make the correct choice for the
    > > greater good of
    > > Nova Roma.
    > >
    > > optime valete!
    >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58293 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Salve,

    It seems to me, that if you do not wish to involve the electorate, and only wish to confront the candidates you feel offended by,then perhaps you should contact those elected officials personally, with your accusations and not post them on the main Nova Roma list, for all to see. Where by right of free speech can, express themselves, and can take issue with what you are saying.

    Vale,
    In The Gods!

    A.Galerius Aurelianus


    --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:

    > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...>
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: De Candidaturae
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 7:36 PM
    > Well, if they're just power hungry and want to grab it
    > up without
    > regard to others, than that is indeed dishonorable. If they
    > have
    > legitimate reasons, such as lack of good candidates, then
    > of course
    > it's not dishonorable. The right choice isn't
    > necessarily wait one
    > year. But that's most honorable.
    >
    > Candidates will make the choices they make. I was
    > addressing them, and
    > not the censor, and not the electorate. The electorate will
    > decide
    > based on their own reasons. I just had pointed out to those
    > candidates
    > what would be more honorable.
    >
    > May the Gods protect us *all*.
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Levee
    > <galerius_of_rome@...>
    > wrote:
    > >
    > > Salve,Q. Valerius Poplicoa,
    > >
    > > The way I have read your statement it does seem to
    > indicate that you
    > are saying, all magistrates currently holding office and
    > running for
    > another post this year, are not doing the honorable and
    > Roman thing
    > according to the mas maiorum.Then you call upon our Gods,
    > to make them
    > do right thing, and step down until next year.Seems pretty
    > clear to me.
    > >
    > > Vale,
    > > Appius Galerius Aurelianus
    > >
    > >
    > > --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola
    > <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
    > >
    > > > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola
    > <catullus.poeta@...>
    > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] De Candidaturae
    > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:10 PM
    > > > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V.
    > D.
    > > >
    > > > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking
    > for this
    > > > announcement,
    > > > and tolerating my third post in a row, which
    > might seem
    > > > excessive.
    > > > Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I
    > do want to
    > > > point out
    > > > that we have certain magistrates who are
    > currently holding
    > > > office and
    > > > are also running for a higher office for the next
    > year.
    > > > This is
    > > > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that
    > a year
    > > > should be
    > > > placed in between offices. While I don't see
    > that it is
    > > > illegal for
    > > > anyone to run without waiting a year, I would
    > hope that the
    > > > candidates
    > > > would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait
    > until next
    > > > year before
    > > > running.
    > > >
    > > > May the gods help them make the correct choice
    > for the
    > > > greater good of
    > > > Nova Roma.
    > > >
    > > > optime valete!
    > >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58294 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Salvete Quirites:
    I was questrix this year and secretary to our consul Piscinus,
    believe me I was counting on taking this year off, but Modianus
    discussed this with me and there would be no one to put on proper
    Ludi to honour the gods. So I'm running for curule aedile for this
    reason.

    on another level, Poplicola who hasn't posted all summer is now
    active election time. Forgive me but don't criticize others if you
    haven't been here on the ML, over at the Religio list & working like
    most officials for the res publica.
    optime valete
    M. Hortensia Maior


    >
    > Salve,Q. Valerius Poplicoa,
    >
    > The way I have read your statement it does seem to indicate that
    you are saying, all magistrates currently holding office and running
    for another post this year, are not doing the honorable and Roman
    thing according to the mas maiorum.Then you call upon our Gods, to
    make them do right thing, and step down until next year.Seems pretty
    clear to me.
    >
    > Vale,
    > Appius Galerius Aurelianus
    >
    >
    > --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...>
    > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] De Candidaturae
    > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:10 PM
    > > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.
    > >
    > > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking for this
    > > announcement,
    > > and tolerating my third post in a row, which might seem
    > > excessive.
    > > Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I do want to
    > > point out
    > > that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding
    > > office and
    > > are also running for a higher office for the next year.
    > > This is
    > > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year
    > > should be
    > > placed in between offices. While I don't see that it is
    > > illegal for
    > > anyone to run without waiting a year, I would hope that the
    > > candidates
    > > would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait until next
    > > year before
    > > running.
    > >
    > > May the gods help them make the correct choice for the
    > > greater good of
    > > Nova Roma.
    > >
    > > optime valete!
    >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58295 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    I do not mind if anyone takes issue with what I say. I'll defend
    myself, and we can have a civil conversation about what should be
    right and what should be done.

    It doesn't help that the censor himself launches a baseless attack on
    a Flamen.

    As for the individual citizens themselves, if they continue on with
    their campaign, I'll assume they have good reason, and I'll look into
    it. I'll vote on conscious, which everyone should. If the electorate
    decides the candidates are qualified and are following custom, then
    they'll get elected. But in private, targeted candidates are less
    likely to respond kindly, and besides, I have no particular candidate
    in mind. Just a general thought for an election.

    Hopefully, no matter which they choose, they'll do what is *right*.

    Pax vobis qui violentiam in pace comminiscantur. Pax, and I mean it.
    Volo alios propter omnes ab aliis non salire.

    Di vos incolumes custodiant et semper ament.

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > Salve,
    >
    > It seems to me, that if you do not wish to involve the electorate,
    and only wish to confront the candidates you feel offended by,then
    perhaps you should contact those elected officials personally, with
    your accusations and not post them on the main Nova Roma list, for all
    to see. Where by right of free speech can, express themselves, and
    can take issue with what you are saying.
    >
    > Vale,
    > In The Gods!
    >
    > A.Galerius Aurelianus
    >
    >
    > --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
    >
    > > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...>
    > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: De Candidaturae
    > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 7:36 PM
    > > Well, if they're just power hungry and want to grab it
    > > up without
    > > regard to others, than that is indeed dishonorable. If they
    > > have
    > > legitimate reasons, such as lack of good candidates, then
    > > of course
    > > it's not dishonorable. The right choice isn't
    > > necessarily wait one
    > > year. But that's most honorable.
    > >
    > > Candidates will make the choices they make. I was
    > > addressing them, and
    > > not the censor, and not the electorate. The electorate will
    > > decide
    > > based on their own reasons. I just had pointed out to those
    > > candidates
    > > what would be more honorable.
    > >
    > > May the Gods protect us *all*.
    > >
    > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Levee
    > > <galerius_of_rome@>
    > > wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Salve,Q. Valerius Poplicoa,
    > > >
    > > > The way I have read your statement it does seem to
    > > indicate that you
    > > are saying, all magistrates currently holding office and
    > > running for
    > > another post this year, are not doing the honorable and
    > > Roman thing
    > > according to the mas maiorum.Then you call upon our Gods,
    > > to make them
    > > do right thing, and step down until next year.Seems pretty
    > > clear to me.
    > > >
    > > > Vale,
    > > > Appius Galerius Aurelianus
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola
    > > <catullus.poeta@> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola
    > > <catullus.poeta@>
    > > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] De Candidaturae
    > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > > > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:10 PM
    > > > > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V.
    > > D.
    > > > >
    > > > > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking
    > > for this
    > > > > announcement,
    > > > > and tolerating my third post in a row, which
    > > might seem
    > > > > excessive.
    > > > > Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I
    > > do want to
    > > > > point out
    > > > > that we have certain magistrates who are
    > > currently holding
    > > > > office and
    > > > > are also running for a higher office for the next
    > > year.
    > > > > This is
    > > > > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that
    > > a year
    > > > > should be
    > > > > placed in between offices. While I don't see
    > > that it is
    > > > > illegal for
    > > > > anyone to run without waiting a year, I would
    > > hope that the
    > > > > candidates
    > > > > would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait
    > > until next
    > > > > year before
    > > > > running.
    > > > >
    > > > > May the gods help them make the correct choice
    > > for the
    > > > > greater good of
    > > > > Nova Roma.
    > > > >
    > > > > optime valete!
    > > >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58296 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Hortensiae S. P. D.

    If you think that you should run because no one else can do what you
    do, FINE! By all means, the games are more important than taking a
    year off.

    And I haven't been MIA. I dropped out of the Main List because there's
    too much drama here. Censor Modianus jumps at everything I say,
    Christians and pagans constantly bicker, people try to rid Nova Roma
    of its senior members. And generally, there's a lot of unfriendliness
    here. I did however respond when my input was needed, or when I could
    contribute at other lists which are not Nova Roma. If people sent me
    an email, I replied. There was a short period over the summer when my
    computer crashed - has no one else been SOL because of their faulty
    computer? I then spent over 600$ to buy a new one, an investment I'm
    fully happy with. But that meant that I had to work more. I don't mind
    though.

    I've been working on many different projects for Nova Roma, including
    a more thorough reconstruction of the Flamen, and since you're newly a
    flamen yourself, you can see where I made academic points in the
    Collegium Pontificum, some of which were even ignored. Perhaps the
    priesthood can be rallied yet again. Perhaps you yourself can respond
    to some points on the flaminate.

    There's hope. Dum maneo, spero. I'm looking forward to see if this
    boasting of yours is real, so we can get some work done, or if like
    many other projects of Nova Roma (none named for safety of those
    projects, because, like I said, there's hope still), it will be drawn
    out and futile until it's pushed and prodded enough.

    So thank you for taking your time out to respond about my life of
    which you have no personal knowledge thereof, but please, your own
    advice is full of merit.

    bene vale.


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salvete Quirites:
    > I was questrix this year and secretary to our consul Piscinus,
    > believe me I was counting on taking this year off, but Modianus
    > discussed this with me and there would be no one to put on proper
    > Ludi to honour the gods. So I'm running for curule aedile for this
    > reason.
    >
    > on another level, Poplicola who hasn't posted all summer is now
    > active election time. Forgive me but don't criticize others if you
    > haven't been here on the ML, over at the Religio list & working like
    > most officials for the res publica.
    > optime valete
    > M. Hortensia Maior
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Salve,Q. Valerius Poplicoa,
    > >
    > > The way I have read your statement it does seem to indicate that
    > you are saying, all magistrates currently holding office and running
    > for another post this year, are not doing the honorable and Roman
    > thing according to the mas maiorum.Then you call upon our Gods, to
    > make them do right thing, and step down until next year.Seems pretty
    > clear to me.
    > >
    > > Vale,
    > > Appius Galerius Aurelianus
    > >
    > >
    > > --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@>
    > wrote:
    > >
    > > > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@>
    > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] De Candidaturae
    > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:10 PM
    > > > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.
    > > >
    > > > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking for this
    > > > announcement,
    > > > and tolerating my third post in a row, which might seem
    > > > excessive.
    > > > Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I do want to
    > > > point out
    > > > that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding
    > > > office and
    > > > are also running for a higher office for the next year.
    > > > This is
    > > > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year
    > > > should be
    > > > placed in between offices. While I don't see that it is
    > > > illegal for
    > > > anyone to run without waiting a year, I would hope that the
    > > > candidates
    > > > would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait until next
    > > > year before
    > > > running.
    > > >
    > > > May the gods help them make the correct choice for the
    > > > greater good of
    > > > Nova Roma.
    > > >
    > > > optime valete!
    > >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58297 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Baseless?  Hardly.

    You talk with a degree of authority, as if you are the custodian of what is honorable, and then offer a "prayer"  "May the gods help them make the correct choice for the greater good of Nova Roma."

    I am a senator of Nova Roma, a consular and a censor.  I know what it means to care about Nova Roma.  I do not need YOU speaking with a sense of authority to tell me what is honorable in Nova Roma or pray to the Gods that I may make a correct choice.  I respect the opinion of others, but I don't respect the arrogant assertions such as you have made.  ESPECIALLY when you veil it with "I beg your forgiveness in asking for this announcement, and tolerating my third post in a row..."  I would caution against feigning humility only to turn up the arrogance full throttle. 

    You mention that "It doesn't help that the censor himself launches a baseless attack on a Flamen.," yet you choose to attack my honor, and the honor of every current magistrate who is running for office this year.  I too am a flamen, and am also a pontifex and an augur -- a practice (ie., multiple priesthoods) against the Mos Maiorum of antiquity, but also held by MANY of our other pontifices.

    I'm running for Curule Aedile because I want to help Nova Roma.  No other reason.  If five assidui citizens come forward and state publically that I shouldn't run, but rather should wait a year then I will step out of the race with no question.  If people think its an ego boost to be a magistrate in Nova Roma then my answer is to run and get elected to office and you will realize that it is no ego or power trip to be a magistrate of Nova Roma.

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus 


    On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:


    It doesn't help that the censor himself launches a baseless attack on
    a Flamen.




    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58298 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano omnibusque s.p.d.
     
    >I'm running for Curule Aedile because I want to help Nova Roma.  No
    other reason.

        I have absolutely no reason whatsoever to doubt this. As a matter of fact, I believe that this is exactly your reason, and I salute you for it. Know that I personally support you, for whatever my support is worth.

    >If five assidui citizens come forward and state
    publically that I shouldn't run,
    >but rather should wait a year then I
    will step out of the race with no question.

        I will say that I believe the "one-year waiting period" is a good idea. I will also say that I am unsure that Nova Roma has a large enough populace to generate the necessary candidates needed to fill all the available positions. I also disagree with the idea of one person holding multiple magistracies and/or priesthoods at one time; I believe focusing brings more and better results. Hence: not enough people run for office, so if people delay or don't hold multiple offices, the Republic will lack even more officials. The real solution: increase the number of Novi Romani who are interested in our Republic's political affairs.
         All that being said, many of those who are running have excellent records which are publicly available for consideration (see the mailing list archives, for example); I am already doing so. Those people who believe that we should instigate a "one-year between offices" rule should step up to the plate and run for office so that we have enough people to fill our magistracies. Then maybe those who served last year could take a break and regain their strength to pursue an office next year. It's all a balance, a give-and-take.
     
    Optime valete!

    --
    Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
    Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
    Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58299 From: Robert Levee Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Salve,
    Thank you for clarification.I believe as you do that civil conversations without a doubt is the way things should be conducted at all times.If you feel by my asking any questions, or seeking clarity was an insult to you or an attack upon your honor, I do apologize.

    Vale,

    A,Galerius Aurelianus


    --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:

    > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...>
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: De Candidaturae
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 8:58 PM
    > I do not mind if anyone takes issue with what I say.
    > I'll defend
    > myself, and we can have a civil conversation about what
    > should be
    > right and what should be done.
    >
    > It doesn't help that the censor himself launches a
    > baseless attack on
    > a Flamen.
    >
    > As for the individual citizens themselves, if they continue
    > on with
    > their campaign, I'll assume they have good reason, and
    > I'll look into
    > it. I'll vote on conscious, which everyone should. If
    > the electorate
    > decides the candidates are qualified and are following
    > custom, then
    > they'll get elected. But in private, targeted
    > candidates are less
    > likely to respond kindly, and besides, I have no particular
    > candidate
    > in mind. Just a general thought for an election.
    >
    > Hopefully, no matter which they choose, they'll do what
    > is *right*.
    >
    > Pax vobis qui violentiam in pace comminiscantur. Pax, and I
    > mean it.
    > Volo alios propter omnes ab aliis non salire.
    >
    > Di vos incolumes custodiant et semper ament.
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Levee
    > <galerius_of_rome@...>
    > wrote:
    > >
    > > Salve,
    > >
    > > It seems to me, that if you do not wish to involve the
    > electorate,
    > and only wish to confront the candidates you feel offended
    > by,then
    > perhaps you should contact those elected officials
    > personally, with
    > your accusations and not post them on the main Nova Roma
    > list, for all
    > to see. Where by right of free speech can, express
    > themselves, and
    > can take issue with what you are saying.
    > >
    > > Vale,
    > > In The Gods!
    > >
    > > A.Galerius Aurelianus
    > >
    > >
    > > --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola
    > <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
    > >
    > > > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola
    > <catullus.poeta@...>
    > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: De Candidaturae
    > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 7:36 PM
    > > > Well, if they're just power hungry and want
    > to grab it
    > > > up without
    > > > regard to others, than that is indeed
    > dishonorable. If they
    > > > have
    > > > legitimate reasons, such as lack of good
    > candidates, then
    > > > of course
    > > > it's not dishonorable. The right choice
    > isn't
    > > > necessarily wait one
    > > > year. But that's most honorable.
    > > >
    > > > Candidates will make the choices they make. I was
    > > > addressing them, and
    > > > not the censor, and not the electorate. The
    > electorate will
    > > > decide
    > > > based on their own reasons. I just had pointed
    > out to those
    > > > candidates
    > > > what would be more honorable.
    > > >
    > > > May the Gods protect us *all*.
    > > >
    > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Robert Levee
    > > > <galerius_of_rome@>
    > > > wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > Salve,Q. Valerius Poplicoa,
    > > > >
    > > > > The way I have read your statement it does
    > seem to
    > > > indicate that you
    > > > are saying, all magistrates currently holding
    > office and
    > > > running for
    > > > another post this year, are not doing the
    > honorable and
    > > > Roman thing
    > > > according to the mas maiorum.Then you call upon
    > our Gods,
    > > > to make them
    > > > do right thing, and step down until next
    > year.Seems pretty
    > > > clear to me.
    > > > >
    > > > > Vale,
    > > > > Appius Galerius Aurelianus
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola
    > > > <catullus.poeta@> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola
    > > > <catullus.poeta@>
    > > > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] De Candidaturae
    > > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > > > > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:10 PM
    > > > > > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus
    > quiritibus S. P. V.
    > > > D.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in
    > asking
    > > > for this
    > > > > > announcement,
    > > > > > and tolerating my third post in a row,
    > which
    > > > might seem
    > > > > > excessive.
    > > > > > Holding nothing against any of the
    > candidates, I
    > > > do want to
    > > > > > point out
    > > > > > that we have certain magistrates who
    > are
    > > > currently holding
    > > > > > office and
    > > > > > are also running for a higher office
    > for the next
    > > > year.
    > > > > > This is
    > > > > > contrary to the mos maiorum, which
    > mandates that
    > > > a year
    > > > > > should be
    > > > > > placed in between offices. While I
    > don't see
    > > > that it is
    > > > > > illegal for
    > > > > > anyone to run without waiting a year, I
    > would
    > > > hope that the
    > > > > > candidates
    > > > > > would do the honorable and Roman thing
    > and wait
    > > > until next
    > > > > > year before
    > > > > > running.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > May the gods help them make the correct
    > choice
    > > > for the
    > > > > > greater good of
    > > > > > Nova Roma.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > optime valete!
    > > > >
    > > > >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58300 From: James V Hooper Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe
    Salve,
    Indeed, it is fun to kick the dead lion. Most of what we know of Caligula
    was indeed writen after his murder, by his enemies. Yes he had a close
    relationship wih Drusilla, but Drusilla was the only one of his family not
    trying to kill him. A spoiled brat... yes and after he lost Drusilla to
    feaver, I'm sure went off the well known deep end.
    My opinion....
    Vale,
    Gaius Pompeius Marcellus


    On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:53:34 -0400
    "Lyn Dowling" <ldowling@...> wrote:
    >>From the Times:
    >
    >
    >
    > Richard Owen, in Rome
    >
    > Archeologists say that they have found the underground passage in which the
    > Emperor Caligula was murdered by his own Praetorian Guard to put an end to
    > his deranged reign of terror.
    >
    > Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (AD12-AD41), known by his nickname
    > Caligula (Little Boots), was the third emperor of the Roman Empire after
    > Augustus and Tiberius, and like them a member of the Julio-Claudian dynasty.
    >
    >
    > His assassination was the result of a conspiracy by members of the Senate
    > who hoped to restore the Roman Republic. However the Praetorian Guard
    > declared Caligula's uncle Claudius emperor instead, thus preserving the
    > monarchy.
    >
    > Maria Antonietta Tomei, a Rome archeologist, said a cryptoportico or
    > underground corridor discovered beneath the imperial palaces on the Palatine
    > Hill matched exactly the description given by the Rome historian Suetonius,
    > who says that the Emperor was stabbed to death after watching an
    > entertainment. He left via the passageway, where the Praetorian Guard led by
    > its commander, Cassius Chaerea, was lying in wait.
    >
    > Professor Tomei said she was "absolutely convinced" that the cryptportico
    > was the one in which Caligula met his end. Although it bore builders' stamps
    > from the time of Claudius, it already existed at the time of Caligula, and
    > had only been restructured by his uncle and successor.
    >
    > "It is clear that it was Claudius and not Nero, as commonly thought, who
    > gave shape to the imperial palace complex on the Palatine Hill," she said.
    >
    > According to Suetonius and the Jewish historian Josephus, Caligula's
    > assassins also stabbed to death his wife, Caesonia, and killed their infant
    > daughter, Julia Drusilla, by smashing her head against a wall. Caligula's
    > body was burnt and the ashes interred at the Mausoleum of Augustus, which is
    > still standing near the Tiber. Now a ruin, its tombs were ransacked during
    > the Barbarian invasions of the fifth century.
    >
    > Unlike his father Germanicus, a widely admired and upright Roman general,
    > Caligula became a byword for cruelty, excess, insanity and sexual
    > perversion. His nickname derived from the fact that as a small boy he
    > dressed up in a miniature uniform while accompanying his father on military
    > campaigns.
    >
    > Some scholars maintain that Caligula murdered Tiberius to ensure the
    > succession, or at least ordered his murder. On becoming emperor Caligula was
    > at first hailed as the son of Germanicus, but his behaviour became
    > increasingly psychopathic after he fell ill in AD37 and nearly died. He had
    > all possible opponents, real and imagined - including members of his own
    > family - banished or killed, and seized their properties.
    >
    > He also proclaimed himself a living god. According to Suetonius, Caligula
    > had incestuous sex with with his sisters Agrippina, Drusilla and Julia
    > Livilla. He also supposedly tried to confer the title of consul on his
    > favourite horse, Incitatus, who had a stable of marble and a collar of
    > precious stones, and had flakes of gold mixed into his oats. Some historians
    > have suggested, however, that such stories were embellished or even invented
    > by Caligula's many enemies.
    >
    >
    >

    BB,
    Warrior
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58301 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Salve,

    In regards to running for office, I have a few reasons for not volunteering my candidacy. One is that I don't know how to do(or I'm not very good at) those jobs/positions. Another one is I like being involved at the provincial level and keeping my focus there. I think provincial rather than international as my priority because that is where I can physically interact and collaborate with my fellow provincial members to help make our province flourish and remain active. And three, I very much do not like politics.

    Now that I am senator, I believe I'm going to have to think more internationally. So on that part I will change, but I still do not feel comfortable trying to be elected to a position that I have no experience in or knowledge of.
    Vale
    - Annia Minucia Marcella
    Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
    http://novabritannia.org
    http://myspace.com/novabritannia
    http://ciarin.com/governor


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58302 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: de Aedilitate Plebis
    Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Tribunis plebis Populoque salutem.

    ut spero, ualeatis.

    de plebis aedilitate grauiter meditatus sum, quae in annis proximis neglecta.
    tempus mihi aptum uisum ad aedilitatem plebis petendam populoque ministrandam
    iterum. non a me iterum rei publicae licebit sine aedili plebis esse; his
    litteris aedilitatem plebis petere se nuntio.

    pro populo, pro deis.

    Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus


    [In English:]

    Quintus Caecilius Metellus sends greetings to the Tribunes of the Plebs and to
    the People.

    As I hope, may you be well.

    I have thought deeply about the Aedileship of the plebs, which in recent years
    has been neglected. It seems to me an appropriate time to sue for the
    Aedileship of the plebs and to again serve the People. I will not allow the
    Republic again to be without and aedile of the plebs; by this missive, I
    announce that I stand for the Aedileship of the plebs.

    For the People, and For the Gods.

    QCMPP
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58303 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe
    C. Petronius C. Pompeio s.p.d.,

    Gaius Caesar (Caligula) is a perpetual object of my studies and my
    deep interests since I was teenager. I am an expert of his life.
    Rather scholar than expert.;o)

    I have many portraits, coins of him and I sometimes translate in
    French the Vita Gaii by Suetonius on the French usegroup
    <http://fr.lettres.langues-anciennes.latin>
    where my nickname is... Caligula.

    I also wrote a romantic poem in the book of my friend Cristina
    Rodriguez who published "Les mémoires de Caligula" in 2000.

    A Gaius Caligula.

    A la fin fut le cri, puissant et vigoureux,
    De ta vie écourtée, en sa pleine jeunesse,
    Par les glaives tremblants d'assassins envieux,
    Qui couvrirent l'horreur de leur scélératesse
    Jusque dans les rouleaux des doctes papyrus,
    Pour qu'aux yeux des mortels, pour les siècles des siècles,
    Tu sois le Prince Fou, l'inconséquent Gaius,
    Démon fait empereur, pour les siècles des siècles.

    Grands dieux ! ton trouble est fort et tes tourments profonds
    Dans l'immense frayeur, où nu tu te morfonds,
    Quand l'ombre de la nuit sur les marbres de Rome
    Glisse son noir manteau mouillé de cinnamome.

    Bondissant de ton lit tu cours les corridors
    Hantés par la terreur de leurs nombreux remords
    Qui dépêchent tes pas vers la haute terrasse
    Du Palatin. Un cri ? : " Que justice se fasse ! ".

    Cri longtemps étouffé par la lourde épaisseur
    Des murailles d'airain d'historiens sans lueur,
    D'apprentis Suétone au jugement coupable
    De dépeindre un tyran en folie formidable,
    Pour qu'aux yeux des mortels, soit plus haï que craint
    Le fantasme insolent d'un pouvoir sans nul frein.

    Et frappé, tu gémis, Gaius, tes tempes saignent :
    " Ils peuvent me haïr du moment qu'ils me craignent ! "
    Te fait-on répéter dans leurs livres nombreux
    Où ton humour caustique est pris au sérieux.

    Mais, bienheureux Phénix, tu peux enfin renaître !
    S'écroulent les parois, s'entrouvre une fenêtre.
    Ton cri est accompli, Gaius, un cri d'enfant
    Plus qu'un rugissement : " Vivant ! Je suis vivant ! "

    "Alive, still alive !"

    Vale.

    C. Petronius Dexter
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58304 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-17
    Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 18, 2008.
    C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,
     
    Today in Rome :
     
    (Julian day : 2 454 758).
     
    A. d. XV Kalendas Novembres
    MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
    Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio
     
    Day of the week : Saturni dies (Saturday).
     
    Lunaris dies: XX .
    Nundinal letter : C.
     
    Hora ortus Solis : 07:26.
    Hora occasus Solis : 18h22.
    Temp. Min. : 12° C.
    Temp. Max. : 22° C.
    Humidity: 77%. 
    Wind on Rome : 11 Km/h.
    Weather : More clouds than sun. Mild. 

    Horae diei :
     
    I: 07:26 - 08:12 Martis hora.
    II: 08:12 - 08:58 Solis hora.
    III: 08:58 - 09:44 Veneris hora.
    IV: 09:44 - 10:29 Mercurii hora.
    V: 10:29 - 11:15 Lunae hora.
    VI: 11:15 - 12:00 Saturni hora.
    VII: 12:00 - 13:03 Iovis hora.
    VIII: 13:03 - 14:07 Martis hora.
    IX: 14:07 - 15:11 Solis hora.
    X: 15:11 - 16:14 Veneris hora.
    XI: 16:14 - 17:18 Mercurii hora.
    XII: 17:18 - 18:22 Lunae hora.
     
    Horae noctis :
     
    I: 18:22 - 19:19 Saturni hora.
    II: 19:19 - 20:15 Iovis hora.
    III: 20:15 - 21:11 Martis hora.
    IV: 21:11 - 22:08 Solis hora.
    V: 22:08 - 23:04 Veneris hora.
    VI: 23:04 - 00:00 Mercurii hora.
    VII: 00:00 - 01:15 Lunae hora.
    VIII: 01:15 - 02:29 Saturni hora.
    IX: 02:29 - 03:43 Iovis hora.
    X: 03:43 - 04:58 Martis hora.
    XI: 04:58 - 06:12 Solis hora.
    XII: 06:12 - 07:27 Veneris hora.
     
     
    Valete.
     
    C. Petronius Dexter.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58305 From: Sean Post Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Salvete,
     
    If I were allowed to run for office this year, I would. As a current diribitor it is not legal for me to do so. As my next step in the Cursus would be Rogator the following year, however, I'll be volunteering my services as scribe to next year's censors.
     
    Valete,
     
    Sex. Postumius Albus 

    On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...> wrote:
    Salve,

    In regards to running for office, I have a few reasons for not volunteering my candidacy. One is that I don't know how to do(or I'm not very good at) those jobs/positions. Another one is I like being involved at the provincial level and keeping my focus there. I think provincial rather than international as my priority because that is where I can physically interact and collaborate with my fellow provincial members to help make our province flourish and remain active. And three, I very much do not like politics.

    Now that I am senator, I believe I'm going to have to think more internationally. So on that part I will change, but I still do not feel comfortable trying to be elected to a position that I have no experience in or knowledge of.
    Vale
    - Annia Minucia Marcella
    Legata Pro Praetore Nova Britannia
    http://novabritannia.org
    http://myspace.com/novabritannia
    http://ciarin.com/governor



    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58306 From: Jim Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Announcing candidacy
    Salve Citizens,
    I am declaring myself a candidate for Tribune of Plebes.
    It is my sincere wish to speak for the rights of my fellow citizens and
    will be honored to serve as you direct. Not for personal glory, but for
    the glory of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma.
    Vale,
    Gaius Pompeius Marcellus
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58307 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: a. d. XV Kalendas Novembris: Feriae Janus
    M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
    plurimam dicit: Di vos servent cum vester.

    Hodie est ante diem XV Kalendas Novembris; haec dies comitialis est:
    Iano ad theathrum Marcelli.

    Janus in the Theater of Marcellus

    "Arise, O Consus, arise. All things, truly, I entrust to Patulcium
    the Opener. Now You are Janus the Gatekeeper, now Cerus the Good
    Creator, now Janus the God of Good Beginnings. Come, now most
    especially, You who are the better of these kings. Dance before the
    Father of the Gods, give thanks to the God of Gods." ~ From the
    Carmin Salii in Varro, 'Lingua Latinae' 7.26-27

    A festival is held today for Janus (fasti Amiternum, CIL 9, 4192).
    Considered in conjunction with tomorrow's Armilustrum, the invocation
    of Janus today ushers in the peaceful season of Autumn. As in the
    month of March, so also during the month of October have the Salii
    been dancing throughout the City. Their final performance came on the
    Anventine, where the sacred shields, called the ancillae, were then
    purified and stored away until the following year. In two of the
    three fragments of the Camen Salii (above) that remain today it is
    Janus who is invoked as the first God, and Jupiter as the Father of
    the Gods and the God of Gods. Also, Janus is called by two names
    related to agriculture, Consus and Cerus. Cerus is not otherwise
    found at Rome, but He is associated with Jupiter and Mars on the
    Tavole Iguvium, and all three with Ceres, which might explain
    something about tomorrow's festival. The harvest is in, the vintage
    for next year prepared, the army returned from its summer campaigning
    season, and finally are the fields reading for plowing over in
    preparation for next year. This is a season of peace and fittingly
    then a time when sacrifices are offered to Janus as the Guardian of
    the Peace.

    "Biformed Janus, source of years gliding by in silence, who alone
    among the immortal celestials sees his own back, come, attend our
    nobles as Your guests, those whose labors secure delightful pastimes
    for the earth, and peace on earth, peace on the seas. Attend and
    bless Your Senators and those of the people of Rome, the Quirites,
    and with a nod open Your gleaming gates onto peaceful precincts." ~
    Ovid Fasti1.65-70


    "Father Janus, to You I pray with good prayers, offering You this
    pile of cakes, so that You might willingly be favorable to me and my
    children, to my home and household.

    "Father Janus, for the same reasons given in the good prayers I
    prayed while offering You piled cakes, may You accept and be honor by
    this portion of wine I pour." ~ Cato De Agricultura 134


    Thanksgivings are also offered today for Spes and Juventus.


    AUC 786 / 33 CE: Deaths of Agrippina and Drusus

    "It was decreed (by the Senate) that on the seventeenth of October,
    the day on which both perished, through all future years, an offering
    should be consecrated to Jupiter." ~ Tacitus, Annales 6.25


    Silva Rerum

    Rhetoricians employed a body of stories to provide them with examples
    on any point they wished to make. This body of common 'just so'
    stories was called the Silva Rerum. One example perhaps is the story
    used as an example by Ovid where the sage Thrasis advised Pharaoh
    Busiris that in order to end a nine year drought he needed to
    sacrifice a foreigner, and thus Busiris sacrificed Thrasis (Ars
    Amatori 647-52). Another is the tale of Perillus, the inventor of
    Phalaris' brazen bull, who, unfortunately if not unjustly for him,
    was the first to be roasted in his own cruel device. "Memorable
    Doings and Sayings" by Valerius Maximus is such a work, a kind of
    silva rerum, with tales and legends from Rome and elsewhere. Here is
    one version of a story that he gives.

    "King Gyges, puffed up by the sovereignty of Lydia abounding in arms
    and wealth, came to Pythian Apollo to ask whether any mortal man was
    more fortunate than himself. From the hidden cavern of His sanctuary
    the God's voice was given forth putting Aglus of Psophis ahead of
    him. Aglaus was the poorest man in Arcadia, and already advanced in
    years he had never been outside the boundaries of his little farm,
    content with the produce of his small holding. Surely Apollo by the
    keen insight of His oracle embraced the ultimate of happy living in
    truth, not merely in outline. Accordingly He replied to the
    questioner insolently glorying in the brilliance of his fortune that
    He approved a hut smiling in security rather than a palace gloomy
    with cares and anxieties, a few clods free of fear rather than the
    richest lands of Lydia replete with apprehension, one or two yokes of
    oxen easy to tend rather than armies and weapons and cavalry
    burdensome with voracious expenses, a little storehouse of
    necessities to be craved overmuch by none rather than treasure
    chambers open to the plots and cupidities of all. So Gyges, taking a
    fancy to have the God's backing for his illusion, learned where
    solid, sterling good fortune was to be found." ~ Valerius Maximus
    7.1.2

    Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 9.10

    "Man, God, and the universe all produce fruit; each in its own due
    seasons. It matters not if common use has especially fixed these
    terms of `bearing fruit' to the vine and like things. Reason too
    produces its own fruit both universal and particular, and other
    things of the same nature grow from reason itself."
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58308 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    M. Lucretius Agricola Omnibus S.P.D.

    Recently, Senatrix Annia Minucia Marcella said "In regards to running
    for office, I have a few reasons for not volunteering my candidacy.
    One is that I don't know how to do(or I'm not very good at) those
    jobs/positions."


    This is a perfectly reasonable thing to say. I would like to address
    myself to this point because I suspect that there may be many who feel
    the same way. Maybe I can call this post "How to learn the ropes in
    Nova Roma".

    Come the New Year, incoming magistrates will be looking for scribae.
    If anyone does not know what a scriba is, just look here:
    http://novaroma.org/nr/Scriba_%28Nova_Roma%29

    Most offices are fairly well described now on our website, and the
    election page has summaries of those descriptions. Browse the election
    page (it is linked from our Main Page) for a quick overview of what
    everyone does.

    Some posts, such as diribitor, do not have year-round work. This is a
    good first-time position for someone who cannot commit to a daily or
    weekly obligation.

    Romans had a social network of patrons and clients. We don't have
    that, but it is still a good idea to keep one's eyes open to spot
    people who are in the know. They are the ones to go to for help and
    advice. Nobody wants to see people jump in and flail around. Help is
    there for the asking.

    optime valete in cura deorum Romanorum!
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58309 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Maior Valerio Poplicolae spd;
    do call me Maior, I go by my cognomen just as you wish to be
    called Poplicola.

    1. the ML has been very peaceble, actually you're the one who seems
    excitable, and a bit cross, writing in caps is considered yelling.

    2. Feel free to post at the Religio list, Piscinus, Modianus and I
    have been helping new cultores for years and this is a worthwhile
    endeavor.

    3. The flaminate, let's discuss it now: I'm happy to answer your
    questions here. I checked the CP list and see 5 posts from you since
    May and a vague question. If you'd checked the CP list you'd see
    that I've been researching the flaminica dialis, Imperial flaminate,
    with my sources shared and written these articles -still in
    progress, to share with all Nova Romans.

    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flaminica
    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flaminica_Dialis
    and look I've started a stub for you.
    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flamen_Dialis

    optime vale
    Maior
    ps: I've written these articles for the NRwiki, feel free to
    contribute, sharing our research and knowledge with all cultores and
    cives is our best gift.
    Lar
    Penates
    Manes
    Liber
    Magna Mater
    Cultus Apollonis
    Sol
    Fortuna
    Aedes Fortunae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium Primigeniae (Nova Roma)
    LarariumSaturnalia
    Reading list for the cultus deorum
    Religio Romana
    Roman laws
    Religion and law
    Mens
    Aedes Mentis (Nova Roma)
    Venus
    Egeria
    Camenae
    Nymphs
    Bona Dea
    Hercules
    Childbirth (Nova Roma)
    Children (Nova Roma)
    Epicurus, Epicureans
    Reading list for philosophy
    Flaminica
    Flaminica Dialis
    Sibylline Books stub





    >
    > Hortensiae S. P. D.
    >
    > If you think that you should run because no one else can do what
    you
    > do, FINE! By all means, the games are more important than taking a
    > year off.
    >
    > And I haven't been MIA. I dropped out of the Main List because
    there's
    > too much drama here. Censor Modianus jumps at everything I say,
    > Christians and pagans constantly bicker, people try to rid Nova
    Roma
    > of its senior members. And generally, there's a lot of
    unfriendliness
    > here. I did however respond when my input was needed, or when I
    could
    > contribute at other lists which are not Nova Roma. If people sent
    me
    > an email, I replied. There was a short period over the summer when
    my
    > computer crashed - has no one else been SOL because of their faulty
    > computer? I then spent over 600$ to buy a new one, an investment
    I'm
    > fully happy with. But that meant that I had to work more. I don't
    mind
    > though.
    >
    > I've been working on many different projects for Nova Roma,
    including
    > a more thorough reconstruction of the Flamen, and since you're
    newly a
    > flamen yourself, you can see where I made academic points in the
    > Collegium Pontificum, some of which were even ignored. Perhaps the
    > priesthood can be rallied yet again. Perhaps you yourself can
    respond
    > to some points on the flaminate.
    >
    > There's hope. Dum maneo, spero. I'm looking forward to see if this
    > boasting of yours is real, so we can get some work done, or if like
    > many other projects of Nova Roma (none named for safety of those
    > projects, because, like I said, there's hope still), it will be
    drawn
    > out and futile until it's pushed and prodded enough.
    >
    > So thank you for taking your time out to respond about my life of
    > which you have no personal knowledge thereof, but please, your own
    > advice is full of merit.
    >
    > bene vale.
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Salvete Quirites:
    > > I was questrix this year and secretary to our consul Piscinus,
    > > believe me I was counting on taking this year off, but Modianus
    > > discussed this with me and there would be no one to put on
    proper
    > > Ludi to honour the gods. So I'm running for curule aedile for
    this
    > > reason.
    > >
    > > on another level, Poplicola who hasn't posted all summer is now
    > > active election time. Forgive me but don't criticize others if
    you
    > > haven't been here on the ML, over at the Religio list & working
    like
    > > most officials for the res publica.
    > > optime valete
    > > M. Hortensia Maior
    > >
    > >
    > > >
    > > > Salve,Q. Valerius Poplicoa,
    > > >
    > > > The way I have read your statement it does seem to indicate
    that
    > > you are saying, all magistrates currently holding office and
    running
    > > for another post this year, are not doing the honorable and
    Roman
    > > thing according to the mas maiorum.Then you call upon our Gods,
    to
    > > make them do right thing, and step down until next year.Seems
    pretty
    > > clear to me.
    > > >
    > > > Vale,
    > > > Appius Galerius Aurelianus
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@>
    > > wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@>
    > > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] De Candidaturae
    > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > > > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:10 PM
    > > > > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.
    > > > >
    > > > > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking for this
    > > > > announcement,
    > > > > and tolerating my third post in a row, which might seem
    > > > > excessive.
    > > > > Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I do want to
    > > > > point out
    > > > > that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding
    > > > > office and
    > > > > are also running for a higher office for the next year.
    > > > > This is
    > > > > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year
    > > > > should be
    > > > > placed in between offices. While I don't see that it is
    > > > > illegal for
    > > > > anyone to run without waiting a year, I would hope that the
    > > > > candidates
    > > > > would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait until next
    > > > > year before
    > > > > running.
    > > > >
    > > > > May the gods help them make the correct choice for the
    > > > > greater good of
    > > > > Nova Roma.
    > > > >
    > > > > optime valete!
    > > >
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    around
    > > > http://mail.yahoo.com
    > > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58310 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    C. Petronius Maiori salutem plurimam,

    You wrote:
    > ps: I've written these articles for the NRwiki,
    [...]
    > Sibylline Books stub.

    To the Sibylline books, very important and, in my opinion more
    accurate that the "sortes Virgilianae", to search the thinkings of
    the gods, can I suggest to the Senate to create a
    committee/commission of experts on prophecies or prognostications (I
    want to say the Latin word divinatio) and also latinists and poets
    enough to write in hexameters dactylics (the verse of the Sibylline
    prophecies) and to reenact this so necessary books?

    We must to have our own Sibylline books, born again from the fire of
    the christian Stilicho. After their destruction during the civil war
    between Marius and Sulla, the Senate made other books. We can follow
    this precedent.

    And after the complete work, the augurs might know with tripudium or
    auspicia whether gods agree or not our new Sibylline books.

    Vale.

    C. Petronius Dexter
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58311 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: de Aedilitate Plebis
    C. Petronius Q. Metello s.p.d.,

    > his
    > litteris aedilitatem plebis petere se nuntio.

    Et ego tibi candidato aedilicio plebis suffragabor.

    > [In English:]
    > I
    > announce that I stand for the Aedileship of the plebs.

    And I will vote for your Aedileship of the plebs.

    Vale.

    C. Petronius Dexter
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58313 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Trying to get rid of opponents with unhistorical arguments
    Salve Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus et salvete Quirites!

    As we say in Sweden, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus, You "hit the nail exactly on its head", which means that You are right. Yes, taking a year off between offices would be the tradional way of doing things and yes holding many priesthoods should be avoided. But as you say we need to consider the amount of candidates both for the magistrates and priesthoods which always will be small as long as we don't start recruit more citizens and become even better in keeping the "old" ones.

    Still there is another consideration that some others in this discussion seem to want to avoid discussing. This also has to do with thenumber of citizens. It is the fact that  wouldn't be Roman at all to stand down and allow an opponent wining on "walk over" in an election. A real Roman/Nova Roman should, according to tradition, stand up for her/his opinions and candidate against his opponent, if no ally does so, otherwise she/he acts dishonorably. 

    It is easy to argue for the "one year rule" if You have never stood for offices or if one hasn't been elected for offices for years or if You have never candidated for any of the "political" offices. . So those who argue for the "one year rule", seem to argue to get rid of certain candiadates and have that way lost all credibility. Their arguments are just a political game, at least in my eyes, what ever they say.

    *********

    18 okt 2008 kl. 04.20 skrev Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus:

    Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus K. Fabio Buteoni Modiano omnibusque s.p.d.
     
    >I'm running for Curule Aedile because I want to help Nova Roma.  No other reason.

        I have absolutely no reason whatsoever to doubt this. As a matter of fact, I believe that this is exactly your reason, and I salute you for it. Know that I personally support you, for whatever my support is worth.

    >If five assidui citizens come forward and state publically that I shouldn't run,
    >but rather should wait a year then I will step out of the race with no question.

        I will say that I believe the "one-year waiting period" is a good idea. I will also say that I am unsure that Nova Roma has a large enough populace to generate the necessary candidates needed to fill all the available positions. I also disagree with the idea of one person holding multiple magistracies and/or priesthoods at one time; I believe focusing brings more and better results. Hence: not enough people run for office, so if people delay or don't hold multiple offices, the Republic will lack even more officials. The real solution: increase the number of Novi Romani who are interested in our Republic's political affairs.
         All that being said, many of those who are running have excellent records which are publicly available for consideration (see the mailing list archives, for example); I am already doing so. Those people who believe that we should instigate a "one-year between offices" rule should step up to the plate and run for office so that we have enough people to fill our magistracies. Then maybe those who served last year could take a break and regain their strength to pursue an office next year. It's all a balance, a give-and-take.
     
    Optime valete!

    --
    Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
    Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
    Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58314 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Salve, Maior. Actually, properly I love to hear rather Quintus
    Valerius. Older Republican. You know I love those traditions.

    I came back hoping that ML would be calmer. I make a post, accusing no
    one specific, and actually having no one in mind, neither your nor
    Modianus, neither of whom I knew were running for positions, and I get
    yelled at immediately by Modianus who dare accuses another citizen of
    starting mischief. Is it my fault he forsakes the traditions? Not at
    all. Am I targeting him? He has no reason to think so. I already said,
    and I'm tired of repeating for deaf ears, that if you all *don't* wait
    1 year, it's not the end of the world, and you're not necessarily
    going against the mos maiorum especially if there's good cause. I hope
    Modianus has good cause. Otherwise, I am unconcerned.

    I came back to the ML hoping it would be calmer. But it's not. Any
    little statement is construed as offensive. Citizens in Rome wouldn't
    be treated like this. No citizen in all of Roman history would have
    been shouted down by a censor of all people for citing the traditions
    of ancients.

    As for this list, I fear talking any more of my mind, lest I offend
    another censor, who calls upon the praetor to violate the free speech
    I am entitled to. You have my email, I believe, though I could be
    wrong, that I'm waiting for an email from you. But, still reeling from
    the crash, I don't have your email. Perhaps you can shoot me one.

    uale.

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
    >
    > Maior Valerio Poplicolae spd;
    > do call me Maior, I go by my cognomen just as you wish to be
    > called Poplicola.
    >
    > 1. the ML has been very peaceble, actually you're the one who seems
    > excitable, and a bit cross, writing in caps is considered yelling.
    >
    > 2. Feel free to post at the Religio list, Piscinus, Modianus and I
    > have been helping new cultores for years and this is a worthwhile
    > endeavor.
    >
    > 3. The flaminate, let's discuss it now: I'm happy to answer your
    > questions here. I checked the CP list and see 5 posts from you since
    > May and a vague question. If you'd checked the CP list you'd see
    > that I've been researching the flaminica dialis, Imperial flaminate,
    > with my sources shared and written these articles -still in
    > progress, to share with all Nova Romans.
    >
    > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flaminica
    > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flaminica_Dialis
    > and look I've started a stub for you.
    > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Flamen_Dialis
    >
    > optime vale
    > Maior
    > ps: I've written these articles for the NRwiki, feel free to
    > contribute, sharing our research and knowledge with all cultores and
    > cives is our best gift.
    > Lar
    > Penates
    > Manes
    > Liber
    > Magna Mater
    > Cultus Apollonis
    > Sol
    > Fortuna
    > Aedes Fortunae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium Primigeniae (Nova Roma)
    > LarariumSaturnalia
    > Reading list for the cultus deorum
    > Religio Romana
    > Roman laws
    > Religion and law
    > Mens
    > Aedes Mentis (Nova Roma)
    > Venus
    > Egeria
    > Camenae
    > Nymphs
    > Bona Dea
    > Hercules
    > Childbirth (Nova Roma)
    > Children (Nova Roma)
    > Epicurus, Epicureans
    > Reading list for philosophy
    > Flaminica
    > Flaminica Dialis
    > Sibylline Books stub
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Hortensiae S. P. D.
    > >
    > > If you think that you should run because no one else can do what
    > you
    > > do, FINE! By all means, the games are more important than taking a
    > > year off.
    > >
    > > And I haven't been MIA. I dropped out of the Main List because
    > there's
    > > too much drama here. Censor Modianus jumps at everything I say,
    > > Christians and pagans constantly bicker, people try to rid Nova
    > Roma
    > > of its senior members. And generally, there's a lot of
    > unfriendliness
    > > here. I did however respond when my input was needed, or when I
    > could
    > > contribute at other lists which are not Nova Roma. If people sent
    > me
    > > an email, I replied. There was a short period over the summer when
    > my
    > > computer crashed - has no one else been SOL because of their faulty
    > > computer? I then spent over 600$ to buy a new one, an investment
    > I'm
    > > fully happy with. But that meant that I had to work more. I don't
    > mind
    > > though.
    > >
    > > I've been working on many different projects for Nova Roma,
    > including
    > > a more thorough reconstruction of the Flamen, and since you're
    > newly a
    > > flamen yourself, you can see where I made academic points in the
    > > Collegium Pontificum, some of which were even ignored. Perhaps the
    > > priesthood can be rallied yet again. Perhaps you yourself can
    > respond
    > > to some points on the flaminate.
    > >
    > > There's hope. Dum maneo, spero. I'm looking forward to see if this
    > > boasting of yours is real, so we can get some work done, or if like
    > > many other projects of Nova Roma (none named for safety of those
    > > projects, because, like I said, there's hope still), it will be
    > drawn
    > > out and futile until it's pushed and prodded enough.
    > >
    > > So thank you for taking your time out to respond about my life of
    > > which you have no personal knowledge thereof, but please, your own
    > > advice is full of merit.
    > >
    > > bene vale.
    > >
    > >
    > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Salvete Quirites:
    > > > I was questrix this year and secretary to our consul Piscinus,
    > > > believe me I was counting on taking this year off, but Modianus
    > > > discussed this with me and there would be no one to put on
    > proper
    > > > Ludi to honour the gods. So I'm running for curule aedile for
    > this
    > > > reason.
    > > >
    > > > on another level, Poplicola who hasn't posted all summer is now
    > > > active election time. Forgive me but don't criticize others if
    > you
    > > > haven't been here on the ML, over at the Religio list & working
    > like
    > > > most officials for the res publica.
    > > > optime valete
    > > > M. Hortensia Maior
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Salve,Q. Valerius Poplicoa,
    > > > >
    > > > > The way I have read your statement it does seem to indicate
    > that
    > > > you are saying, all magistrates currently holding office and
    > running
    > > > for another post this year, are not doing the honorable and
    > Roman
    > > > thing according to the mas maiorum.Then you call upon our Gods,
    > to
    > > > make them do right thing, and step down until next year.Seems
    > pretty
    > > > clear to me.
    > > > >
    > > > > Vale,
    > > > > Appius Galerius Aurelianus
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@>
    > > > wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@>
    > > > > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] De Candidaturae
    > > > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > > > > > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:10 PM
    > > > > > Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibus quiritibus S. P. V. D.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Amici Romani, I beg your forgiveness in asking for this
    > > > > > announcement,
    > > > > > and tolerating my third post in a row, which might seem
    > > > > > excessive.
    > > > > > Holding nothing against any of the candidates, I do want to
    > > > > > point out
    > > > > > that we have certain magistrates who are currently holding
    > > > > > office and
    > > > > > are also running for a higher office for the next year.
    > > > > > This is
    > > > > > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year
    > > > > > should be
    > > > > > placed in between offices. While I don't see that it is
    > > > > > illegal for
    > > > > > anyone to run without waiting a year, I would hope that the
    > > > > > candidates
    > > > > > would do the honorable and Roman thing and wait until next
    > > > > > year before
    > > > > > running.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > May the gods help them make the correct choice for the
    > > > > > greater good of
    > > > > > Nova Roma.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > optime valete!
    > > > >
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    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58315 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] de Aedilitate Plebis
    Salve Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus
     
    I welcome your willigness to serve our Republic and the plebeians of Nova Roma as Aedilis Plebis !
     
    I have checked all necessary requirements and you fulfill all of them .
     
    You will be placed on the list of candidates.
     
    Vale optime
    Titus Flavius Aquila
    Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

    ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
    Von: Q. Caecilius Metellus <postumianus@...>
    An: ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com; Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    CC: cases@...; titus.aquila@...
    Gesendet: Samstag, den 18. Oktober 2008, 05:32:59 Uhr
    Betreff: [Nova-Roma] de Aedilitate Plebis

    Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Tribunis plebis Populoque salutem.

    ut spero, ualeatis.

    de plebis aedilitate grauiter meditatus sum, quae in annis proximis neglecta.
    tempus mihi aptum uisum ad aedilitatem plebis petendam populoque ministrandam
    iterum. non a me iterum rei publicae licebit sine aedili plebis esse; his
    litteris aedilitatem plebis petere se nuntio.

    pro populo, pro deis.

    Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus

    [In English:]

    Quintus Caecilius Metellus sends greetings to the Tribunes of the Plebs and to
    the People.

    As I hope, may you be well.

    I have thought deeply about the Aedileship of the plebs, which in recent years
    has been neglected. It seems to me an appropriate time to sue for the
    Aedileship of the plebs and to again serve the People. I will not allow the
    Republic again to be without and aedile of the plebs; by this missive, I
    announce that I stand for the Aedileship of the plebs.

    For the People, and For the Gods.

    QCMPP


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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58316 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Salve Modiane et salvete omnes

    >>I'm running for Curule Aedile because I want to help Nova Roma. No
    other reason.<<

    Laenas: I too believe this Modiane and you have my vote.

    >>get elected to office and you will realize that it is no ego or power
    trip to be a magistrate of Nova Roma.<<

    Laenas: Here is something else I can agree with :-) It may indeed be
    gratifying to be elected and know you have the respect of the voters,
    but the offices require a lot of hard work and ofentimes dealing with
    conflict. Anyone who runs for a reason other than to serve, is making
    a mistake.

    Vale et valete,

    C. Popillius Laenas
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58317 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Announcing candidacy
    Salve Gaius Pompeius Marcellus,
     
    thank you for your willigness to serve the Plebeians and our Republic.
     
    You would need to announce your candidacy in  the
     
    and before the Tribuni Plebis.
     
    This is necessary so that we can approve your candidacy.
     
    Optime vale
    Titus Flavius Aquila
    Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

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    An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Gesendet: Samstag, den 18. Oktober 2008, 05:55:21 Uhr
    Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Announcing candidacy

    Salve Citizens,
    I am declaring myself a candidate for Tribune of Plebes.
    It is my sincere wish to speak for the rights of my fellow citizens and
    will be honored to serve as you direct. Not for personal glory, but for
    the glory of the Senate and the People of Nova Roma.
    Vale,
    Gaius Pompeius Marcellus


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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58318 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: de Aedilitate Plebis
    C. Popillius Laenas Q. Caecilio Metello SPD.

    This is welcome news. You have my support and vote.

    Vale.

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
    <postumianus@...> wrote:
    >
    > Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Tribunis plebis Populoque salutem.
    >
    > ut spero, ualeatis.
    >
    > de plebis aedilitate grauiter meditatus sum, quae in annis proximis
    neglecta.
    > tempus mihi aptum uisum ad aedilitatem plebis petendam populoque
    ministrandam
    > iterum. non a me iterum rei publicae licebit sine aedili plebis
    esse; his
    > litteris aedilitatem plebis petere se nuntio.
    >
    > pro populo, pro deis.
    >
    > Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus
    >
    >
    > [In English:]
    >
    > Quintus Caecilius Metellus sends greetings to the Tribunes of the
    Plebs and to
    > the People.
    >
    > As I hope, may you be well.
    >
    > I have thought deeply about the Aedileship of the plebs, which in
    recent years
    > has been neglected. It seems to me an appropriate time to sue for
    the
    > Aedileship of the plebs and to again serve the People. I will not
    allow the
    > Republic again to be without and aedile of the plebs; by this
    missive, I
    > announce that I stand for the Aedileship of the plebs.
    >
    > For the People, and For the Gods.
    >
    > QCMPP
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58319 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Maior Dextro spd;
    I agree with you entirely. Re-creating the Sibylline Books is of
    prime importance. And your suggestion is rooted in Roman history. I
    forget if a member of the CP can address the Senate, Sabinus or
    Piscinus would know.
    bene dixit; recte dixit
    you have a care for the res publica amice
    M.Hortensia Maior
    >
    > To the Sibylline books, very important and, in my opinion more
    > accurate that the "sortes Virgilianae", to search the thinkings of
    > the gods, can I suggest to the Senate to create a
    > committee/commission of experts on prophecies or prognostications
    (I
    > want to say the Latin word divinatio) and also latinists and poets
    > enough to write in hexameters dactylics (the verse of the
    Sibylline
    > prophecies) and to reenact this so necessary books?
    >
    > We must to have our own Sibylline books, born again from the fire
    of
    > the christian Stilicho. After their destruction during the civil
    war
    > between Marius and Sulla, the Senate made other books. We can
    follow
    > this precedent.
    >
    > And after the complete work, the augurs might know with tripudium
    or
    > auspicia whether gods agree or not our new Sibylline books.
    >
    > Vale.
    >
    > C. Petronius Dexter
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58320 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Ludi Octbr - Mun. gladiatoria 2nd day - 2nd round
    P. Memmius Albucius aed. omn. s.d.

    Here are the results of the fights announced yesterday. These fights
    have taken place this afternoon in Campus Martius. The weather was
    warm, with a fresh wind with a few clouds, an ideal weather to fight.


    == The results ==

    1st fight:

    Gladiator : Mareotis
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    Usual type: Dimach.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : A

    defeats

    Gladiator : Arctos
    Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R



    2nd fight:

    Gladiator : Hierocles
    Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    Usual type: Mirm.
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : V

    defeats

    Gladiator : Anastasios
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    Usual type: Hopl.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : A


    3 rd fight:

    Gladiator : Verruncundus
    Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    Usual type: Sec.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : P

    defeats

    Gladiator : Ursos
    Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    Usual type: Ret.
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R


    4 th fight:

    Gladiator : Adlusor
    Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    Usual type: Ret.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : R

    defeats

    Gladiator : Lucanus
    Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    Usual type: Hopl.
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : V


    5th fight:

    Gladiator : Butio
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : R

    defeats

    Gladiator : Dorothea
    Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R


    6th fight:

    Gladiator : Nemo
    Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R

    defeats

    Gladiator : Cunctator
    Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : P


    == Coming ==

    The 3rd round: the 6 above qualified will fight 3 vs 3.

    The results will be published in this Forum soon.


    Valete omnes,


    Albucius aed.



    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
    <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
    >
    > Aedilis Memmius Albucius omn. s.d.
    >
    > Today has begun the last event in our Ludi Octobris : the munera
    > gladiatoria.
    >
    > The gladiators entered are the ones their owners have entered for
    the
    > fight around and for the head of the sacrified Equus October, two
    > days ago, on Campus Martius.
    >
    > Unusually, we have thus a perfect equality between the Patrician
    and
    > Plebeian entries.
    >
    > As we have the same 6 + 6 = 12 fighters, we have thus, in this
    first
    > day, six 'proelia'. Here they are, knowing that these proelia have
    > been organized first in order to offer the traditional oppositions,
    > at best (ex. secutor-retiarius), then drawing lots when several
    > gladiators belong to the same category (for instance we have 5
    Thrax
    > fighters entered).
    >
    > Tomorrow, the six winners will be opposed in a 3v3 table, and, in
    the
    > second part of the afternoon, the three winners will fight each
    other
    > to be clasified at position 1, 2, and 3. The following places will
    be
    > given according the gladiator against whom the classified fighter
    > would have lost (for ex, the 4th will be the last looser vs. the
    > winner of the munera, the 5th vs. the 2nd, and so on).
    >
    > 1st fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Arctos
    > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Mareotis
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > Usual type: Dimach.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : A
    >
    > 2nd fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Hierocles
    > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > Usual type: Mirm.
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : V
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Anastasios
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > Usual type: Hopl.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : A
    >
    > 3 rd fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Verruncundus
    > Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    > Usual type: Sec.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : P
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Ursos
    > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > Usual type: Ret.
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    >
    > 4 th fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Lucanus
    > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > Usual type: Hopl.
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : V
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Adlusor
    > Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    > Usual type: Ret.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : R
    >
    > 5th fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Dorothea
    > Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Butio
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : R
    >
    >
    > 6th fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Nemo
    > Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    > vs.
    > Gladiator : Cunctator
    > Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : P
    >
    >
    > Results will come asap.
    >
    >
    > Valete omnes,
    >
    >
    >
    > P. Memmius Albucius
    > aed. cur.
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58321 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: Ludi Octbr - Mun. glad. 2nd day - SemiFinals
    P. Memmius Albucius aed. omn. s.d.

    Here are the results of the 3rd round of fights announced yesterday.
    Though they oppose 3 gladiators to 3 other ones, they can be called,
    otherwise, semifinals.

    Unfortunately, you have, at least those among you who attended these
    three fights in Campus Martius hard with the three gladiators who
    lost. Perhaps you considered that they had not fought well enough.
    Anyway you have, through the divine alea, decided that all the three
    losers were to died. "They have lived", as would have said our
    Ancients.

    1st fight:

    Gladiator : Mareotis
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    Usual type: Dimach.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : A

    defeats (6+1= 7 vs 6)

    Gladiator : Verruncundus
    Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    Usual type: Sec.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : P DIES (dice 82)


    2nd fight:
    Gladiator : Hierocles
    Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    Usual type: Mirm.
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : V

    defeats (5+1= 6 vs 4)

    Gladiator : Adlusor
    Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    Usual type: Ret.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : R DIES (dice 88)


    3 rd fight:

    Gladiator : Butio
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : R DIES (dice 57)

    is defeated (0 vs 9) by :

    Gladiator : Nemo
    Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R


    So, the three following gladiators won their qualification for the
    finals in which the 3 fighters will fight each other (A-B, B-C, A-C):
    Mareotis, Hierocles, and Nemo.

    The results of the finals will be published soon.

    Valete omnes,


    P. Memmius Albucius
    aed. cur.


    ___________________________________________________________________

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
    <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
    >
    > P. Memmius Albucius aed. omn. s.d.
    >
    > Here are the results of the fights announced yesterday. These
    fights
    > have taken place this afternoon in Campus Martius. The weather was
    > warm, with a fresh wind with a few clouds, an ideal weather to
    fight.
    >
    >
    > == The results ==
    >
    > 1st fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Mareotis
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > Usual type: Dimach.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : A
    >
    > defeats
    >
    > Gladiator : Arctos
    > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    >
    >
    >
    > 2nd fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Hierocles
    > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > Usual type: Mirm.
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : V
    >
    > defeats
    >
    > Gladiator : Anastasios
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > Usual type: Hopl.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : A
    >
    >
    > 3 rd fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Verruncundus
    > Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    > Usual type: Sec.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : P
    >
    > defeats
    >
    > Gladiator : Ursos
    > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > Usual type: Ret.
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    >
    >
    > 4 th fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Adlusor
    > Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    > Usual type: Ret.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : R
    >
    > defeats
    >
    > Gladiator : Lucanus
    > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > Usual type: Hopl.
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : V
    >
    >
    > 5th fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Butio
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : R
    >
    > defeats
    >
    > Gladiator : Dorothea
    > Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    >
    >
    > 6th fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Nemo
    > Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    >
    > defeats
    >
    > Gladiator : Cunctator
    > Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : P
    >
    >
    > == Coming ==
    >
    > The 3rd round: the 6 above qualified will fight 3 vs 3.
    >
    > The results will be published in this Forum soon.
    >
    >
    > Valete omnes,
    >
    >
    > Albucius aed.
    >
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
    > <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Aedilis Memmius Albucius omn. s.d.
    > >
    > > Today has begun the last event in our Ludi Octobris : the munera
    > > gladiatoria.
    > >
    > > The gladiators entered are the ones their owners have entered for
    > the
    > > fight around and for the head of the sacrified Equus October, two
    > > days ago, on Campus Martius.
    > >
    > > Unusually, we have thus a perfect equality between the Patrician
    > and
    > > Plebeian entries.
    > >
    > > As we have the same 6 + 6 = 12 fighters, we have thus, in this
    > first
    > > day, six 'proelia'. Here they are, knowing that these proelia
    have
    > > been organized first in order to offer the traditional
    oppositions,
    > > at best (ex. secutor-retiarius), then drawing lots when several
    > > gladiators belong to the same category (for instance we have 5
    > Thrax
    > > fighters entered).
    > >
    > > Tomorrow, the six winners will be opposed in a 3v3 table, and, in
    > the
    > > second part of the afternoon, the three winners will fight each
    > other
    > > to be clasified at position 1, 2, and 3. The following places
    will
    > be
    > > given according the gladiator against whom the classified fighter
    > > would have lost (for ex, the 4th will be the last looser vs. the
    > > winner of the munera, the 5th vs. the 2nd, and so on).
    > >
    > > 1st fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Arctos
    > > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : R
    > > vs.
    > > Gladiator : Mareotis
    > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > > Usual type: Dimach.
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : A
    > >
    > > 2nd fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Hierocles
    > > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > > Usual type: Mirm.
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : V
    > > vs.
    > > Gladiator : Anastasios
    > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > > Usual type: Hopl.
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : A
    > >
    > > 3 rd fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Verruncundus
    > > Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    > > Usual type: Sec.
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : P
    > > vs.
    > > Gladiator : Ursos
    > > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > > Usual type: Ret.
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : R
    > >
    > > 4 th fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Lucanus
    > > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > > Usual type: Hopl.
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : V
    > > vs.
    > > Gladiator : Adlusor
    > > Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    > > Usual type: Ret.
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : R
    > >
    > > 5th fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Dorothea
    > > Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : R
    > > vs.
    > > Gladiator : Butio
    > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : R
    > >
    > >
    > > 6th fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Nemo
    > > Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : R
    > > vs.
    > > Gladiator : Cunctator
    > > Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : P
    > >
    > >
    > > Results will come asap.
    > >
    > >
    > > Valete omnes,
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > P. Memmius Albucius
    > > aed. cur.
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58322 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Ludi Octbr - Mun. glad. - Finals
    Aedilis Albucius omnibus s.d.

    Here are the Finals of our October gladiatoria.


    == The gladiators ==

    Gladiator : Mareotis
    Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    Usual type: Dimach.
    Order : Nobilitas
    Factio : A

    Gladiator : Hierocles
    Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    Usual type: Mirm.
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : V

    Gladiator : Nemo
    Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    Usual type: Thrax
    Order : Plebs
    Factio : R


    == The fights ==

    Mareotis vs Hierocles : M. winner ( 4+2 =6 vs 4 + 1=5)
    Hierocles vs Nemo : draw ( 6+1 =7 vs 7 + 0=7)
    Nemo vs Mareotis : N. winner ( 7+0 =7 vs 3 + 1=4)


    == The ordo ==
    pts
    Nemo 3
    Mareotis 2
    Hierocles 1


    == The Final October gladiatoria results ==

    1. Nemo
    2. Mareotis
    3. Hierocles
    4. Butio *dead*
    5. Verruncundus *dead*
    6. Adlusor *dead*
    7. Cunctator
    8. Arctos
    9. Anastasios
    10. Dorothea
    11. Ursos
    12. Lucanus


    == As a conclusion ==

    Thanks, once again to all of you, Quirites and owners, who decided to
    enter their men or woman (Dorothea was a bit alone, indeed) into this
    contest, and more thanks to those of you who may be a bit deceived by
    your gladiator. New contests and new fights will come, and the last
    ones will surely the first ones in them.

    Many congratulations to our C. Arminius Reccanellus for the victory
    won by Nemo! For his first participation in a 'normal' gladiatoria,
    C. Fabius Buteo Modianus' Mareotis has won a deserved second place,
    just before C. Petronius Dexter' Hierocles, who has missed victory in
    two very tight matches.


    Valete omnes,


    P. Memmius Albucius
    aed. cur.

    ___________________________________________________________

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
    <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
    >
    > P. Memmius Albucius aed. omn. s.d.
    >
    > Here are the results of the 3rd round of fights announced
    yesterday.
    > Though they oppose 3 gladiators to 3 other ones, they can be
    called,
    > otherwise, semifinals.
    >
    > Unfortunately, you have, at least those among you who attended
    these
    > three fights in Campus Martius hard with the three gladiators who
    > lost. Perhaps you considered that they had not fought well enough.
    > Anyway you have, through the divine alea, decided that all the
    three
    > losers were to died. "They have lived", as would have said our
    > Ancients.
    >
    > 1st fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Mareotis
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > Usual type: Dimach.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : A
    >
    > defeats (6+1= 7 vs 6)
    >
    > Gladiator : Verruncundus
    > Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    > Usual type: Sec.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : P DIES (dice 82)
    >
    >
    > 2nd fight:
    > Gladiator : Hierocles
    > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > Usual type: Mirm.
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : V
    >
    > defeats (5+1= 6 vs 4)
    >
    > Gladiator : Adlusor
    > Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    > Usual type: Ret.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : R DIES (dice 88)
    >
    >
    > 3 rd fight:
    >
    > Gladiator : Butio
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : R DIES (dice 57)
    >
    > is defeated (0 vs 9) by :
    >
    > Gladiator : Nemo
    > Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    >
    >
    > So, the three following gladiators won their qualification for the
    > finals in which the 3 fighters will fight each other (A-B, B-C, A-
    C):
    > Mareotis, Hierocles, and Nemo.
    >
    > The results of the finals will be published soon.
    >
    > Valete omnes,
    >
    >
    > P. Memmius Albucius
    > aed. cur.
    >
    >
    > ___________________________________________________________________
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
    > <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
    > >
    > > P. Memmius Albucius aed. omn. s.d.
    > >
    > > Here are the results of the fights announced yesterday. These
    > fights
    > > have taken place this afternoon in Campus Martius. The weather
    was
    > > warm, with a fresh wind with a few clouds, an ideal weather to
    > fight.
    > >
    > >
    > > == The results ==
    > >
    > > 1st fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Mareotis
    > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > > Usual type: Dimach.
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : A
    > >
    > > defeats
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Arctos
    > > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : R
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > 2nd fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Hierocles
    > > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > > Usual type: Mirm.
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : V
    > >
    > > defeats
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Anastasios
    > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > > Usual type: Hopl.
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : A
    > >
    > >
    > > 3 rd fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Verruncundus
    > > Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    > > Usual type: Sec.
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : P
    > >
    > > defeats
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Ursos
    > > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > > Usual type: Ret.
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : R
    > >
    > >
    > > 4 th fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Adlusor
    > > Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    > > Usual type: Ret.
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : R
    > >
    > > defeats
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Lucanus
    > > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > > Usual type: Hopl.
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : V
    > >
    > >
    > > 5th fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Butio
    > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : R
    > >
    > > defeats
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Dorothea
    > > Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : R
    > >
    > >
    > > 6th fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Nemo
    > > Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : R
    > >
    > > defeats
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Cunctator
    > > Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : P
    > >
    > >
    > > == Coming ==
    > >
    > > The 3rd round: the 6 above qualified will fight 3 vs 3.
    > >
    > > The results will be published in this Forum soon.
    > >
    > >
    > > Valete omnes,
    > >
    > >
    > > Albucius aed.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
    > > <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Aedilis Memmius Albucius omn. s.d.
    > > >
    > > > Today has begun the last event in our Ludi Octobris : the
    munera
    > > > gladiatoria.
    > > >
    > > > The gladiators entered are the ones their owners have entered
    for
    > > the
    > > > fight around and for the head of the sacrified Equus October,
    two
    > > > days ago, on Campus Martius.
    > > >
    > > > Unusually, we have thus a perfect equality between the
    Patrician
    > > and
    > > > Plebeian entries.
    > > >
    > > > As we have the same 6 + 6 = 12 fighters, we have thus, in this
    > > first
    > > > day, six 'proelia'. Here they are, knowing that these proelia
    > have
    > > > been organized first in order to offer the traditional
    > oppositions,
    > > > at best (ex. secutor-retiarius), then drawing lots when several
    > > > gladiators belong to the same category (for instance we have 5
    > > Thrax
    > > > fighters entered).
    > > >
    > > > Tomorrow, the six winners will be opposed in a 3v3 table, and,
    in
    > > the
    > > > second part of the afternoon, the three winners will fight each
    > > other
    > > > to be clasified at position 1, 2, and 3. The following places
    > will
    > > be
    > > > given according the gladiator against whom the classified
    fighter
    > > > would have lost (for ex, the 4th will be the last looser vs.
    the
    > > > winner of the munera, the 5th vs. the 2nd, and so on).
    > > >
    > > > 1st fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Arctos
    > > > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : R
    > > > vs.
    > > > Gladiator : Mareotis
    > > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > > > Usual type: Dimach.
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : A
    > > >
    > > > 2nd fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Hierocles
    > > > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > > > Usual type: Mirm.
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : V
    > > > vs.
    > > > Gladiator : Anastasios
    > > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > > > Usual type: Hopl.
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : A
    > > >
    > > > 3 rd fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Verruncundus
    > > > Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    > > > Usual type: Sec.
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : P
    > > > vs.
    > > > Gladiator : Ursos
    > > > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > > > Usual type: Ret.
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : R
    > > >
    > > > 4 th fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Lucanus
    > > > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > > > Usual type: Hopl.
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : V
    > > > vs.
    > > > Gladiator : Adlusor
    > > > Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    > > > Usual type: Ret.
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : R
    > > >
    > > > 5th fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Dorothea
    > > > Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : R
    > > > vs.
    > > > Gladiator : Butio
    > > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : R
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > 6th fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Nemo
    > > > Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : R
    > > > vs.
    > > > Gladiator : Cunctator
    > > > Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
    > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : P
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Results will come asap.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Valete omnes,
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > P. Memmius Albucius
    > > > aed. cur.
    > > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58323 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Agrippa for Tribune
    Salvete

    I would like to announce my candidacy for the office of Tribune of the Plebs. I have held the office previously, during the consulship of Modianus and Strabo. I have also been a quaestor, being assigned to curule aedile Iulius Scaurus. Currently, I am the distributor of the second series of coins and the owner of the Harpax webstore.

    I look forward to your support in the coming election.

    Thank you for your time,
    Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58324 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

    Salve, Varro!

     

    I hope I do not misunderstand the nature of your question, but my reply is that in my opinion, the best way to bring people into any faith group, Christian or otherwise, simply is to be a human being worth emulating.

     

    Otherwise, I will put my position as concisely as possible: I’m not here to cause controversy. I’m here to support people who love Rome as I do.

     

    Vale,

    ld

     


    From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of philippe cardon
    Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:37 AM
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

     

    DEAR lYNN

     

    you raise an interessant quesion, nut without solutions

    what is a "christian" action whose strenght micht conert people?

     

    I read Lyhther, calvin, Schleiermacher, Harnack, Troeltsch and barth and i can't determinate it

     

    If i turn myself to catholic ethics,i'm learnt that Stoics  and Aristoteles told the truth about ethics, what is fine, but how christians were they?

     

    anima humana naturalliter christiana est (Tertullianus) ? gratia non tollit sed pefecit natura (Thomas d'aquino)? that is the catholic teachig but is it the biblical one?

    so i read Overbeck and i learn that cgistendom is a mere concept without insights

    and that true because in fact christendom is the contrary of the teaching of Christ

    christendom exists because what jesus waited for and preached didn't come

    what is this secret? the Son of man is comming from the heaven to judge the earth and to put an end  to this world

    so all wordly things come in contradiction with God (the chirstian one) and inds an end in the gospell

     

    in this way how could you convert anyone t God by a wordly action even baptized "christain" what is anonsense?

     

    Varro

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58325 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
    Maior Varroni Lynneque spd;
    really joining Nova Roma means you wish to join in and
    acculturate to ancient Roman values and culture. If you find the
    works of Martial repugnant, are offended by apotropaic garden
    statues of Priapus or upset by robust free speech or cannot accept
    the premise that all cults are regarded as equal (except for the
    state cultus), then I'd say Nova Roma is not for you. If you are
    fine with it, do join us.
    optime valete
    M. Hortensia Maior



    >
    >
    >
    > I hope I do not misunderstand the nature of your question, but my
    reply is
    > that in my opinion, the best way to bring people into any faith
    group,
    > Christian or otherwise, simply is to be a human being worth
    emulating.
    >
    >
    >
    > Otherwise, I will put my position as concisely as possible: I'm
    not here to
    > cause controversy. I'm here to support people who love Rome as I
    do.
    >
    >
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > ld
    >
    >
    >
    > _____
    >
    > From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]
    On Behalf
    > Of philippe cardon
    > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:37 AM
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC
    CONTRADDICTION!
    >
    >
    >
    > DEAR lYNN
    >
    >
    >
    > you raise an interessant quesion, nut without solutions
    >
    > what is a "christian" action whose strenght micht conert people?
    >
    >
    >
    > I read Lyhther, calvin, Schleiermacher, Harnack, Troeltsch and
    barth and i
    > can't determinate it
    >
    >
    >
    > If i turn myself to catholic ethics,i'm learnt that Stoics and
    Aristoteles
    > told the truth about ethics, what is fine, but how christians were
    they?
    >
    >
    >
    > anima humana naturalliter christiana est (Tertullianus)? gratia
    non tollit
    > sed pefecit natura (Thomas d'aquino)? that is the catholic teachig
    but is it
    > the biblical one?
    >
    > so i read Overbeck and i learn that cgistendom is a mere concept
    without
    > insights
    >
    > and that true because in fact christendom is the contrary of the
    teaching of
    > Christ
    >
    > christendom exists because what jesus waited for and preached
    didn't come
    >
    > what is this secret? the Son of man is comming from the heaven to
    judge the
    > earth and to put an end to this world
    >
    > so all wordly things come in contradiction with God (the chirstian
    one) and
    > inds an end in the gospell
    >
    >
    >
    > in this way how could you convert anyone t God by a wordly action
    even
    > baptized "christain" what is anonsense?
    >
    >
    >
    > Varro
    >
    >
    >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58326 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: de Aedilitate Plebis
    Dis gratias! Habemus candidatum!

    L. Livia Plauta Q. Caecilio Metello s.p.d.

    Plurimas gratias tibi ago.




    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
    <postumianus@...> wrote:
    >
    > Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Tribunis plebis Populoque salutem.
    >
    > ut spero, ualeatis.
    >
    > de plebis aedilitate grauiter meditatus sum, quae in annis proximis
    neglecta.
    > tempus mihi aptum uisum ad aedilitatem plebis petendam populoque
    ministrandam
    > iterum. non a me iterum rei publicae licebit sine aedili plebis
    esse; his
    > litteris aedilitatem plebis petere se nuntio.
    >
    > pro populo, pro deis.
    >
    > Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus
    >
    >
    > [In English:]
    >
    > Quintus Caecilius Metellus sends greetings to the Tribunes of the
    Plebs and to
    > the People.
    >
    > As I hope, may you be well.
    >
    > I have thought deeply about the Aedileship of the plebs, which in
    recent years
    > has been neglected. It seems to me an appropriate time to sue for the
    > Aedileship of the plebs and to again serve the People. I will not
    allow the
    > Republic again to be without and aedile of the plebs; by this
    missive, I
    > announce that I stand for the Aedileship of the plebs.
    >
    > For the People, and For the Gods.
    >
    > QCMPP
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58327 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: Ludi Octbr - Mun. glad. - Finals
    Plauta Albucio sal.

    Well, at least my gladiators are still alive. But they'll need a lot
    more training!

    Vale,
    Livia

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
    <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
    >
    > Aedilis Albucius omnibus s.d.
    >
    > Here are the Finals of our October gladiatoria.
    >
    >
    > == The gladiators ==
    >
    > Gladiator : Mareotis
    > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > Usual type: Dimach.
    > Order : Nobilitas
    > Factio : A
    >
    > Gladiator : Hierocles
    > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > Usual type: Mirm.
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : V
    >
    > Gladiator : Nemo
    > Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    > Usual type: Thrax
    > Order : Plebs
    > Factio : R
    >
    >
    > == The fights ==
    >
    > Mareotis vs Hierocles : M. winner ( 4+2 =6 vs 4 + 1=5)
    > Hierocles vs Nemo : draw ( 6+1 =7 vs 7 + 0=7)
    > Nemo vs Mareotis : N. winner ( 7+0 =7 vs 3 + 1=4)
    >
    >
    > == The ordo ==
    > pts
    > Nemo 3
    > Mareotis 2
    > Hierocles 1
    >
    >
    > == The Final October gladiatoria results ==
    >
    > 1. Nemo
    > 2. Mareotis
    > 3. Hierocles
    > 4. Butio *dead*
    > 5. Verruncundus *dead*
    > 6. Adlusor *dead*
    > 7. Cunctator
    > 8. Arctos
    > 9. Anastasios
    > 10. Dorothea
    > 11. Ursos
    > 12. Lucanus
    >
    >
    > == As a conclusion ==
    >
    > Thanks, once again to all of you, Quirites and owners, who decided to
    > enter their men or woman (Dorothea was a bit alone, indeed) into this
    > contest, and more thanks to those of you who may be a bit deceived by
    > your gladiator. New contests and new fights will come, and the last
    > ones will surely the first ones in them.
    >
    > Many congratulations to our C. Arminius Reccanellus for the victory
    > won by Nemo! For his first participation in a 'normal' gladiatoria,
    > C. Fabius Buteo Modianus' Mareotis has won a deserved second place,
    > just before C. Petronius Dexter' Hierocles, who has missed victory in
    > two very tight matches.
    >
    >
    > Valete omnes,
    >
    >
    > P. Memmius Albucius
    > aed. cur.
    >
    > ___________________________________________________________
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
    > <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
    > >
    > > P. Memmius Albucius aed. omn. s.d.
    > >
    > > Here are the results of the 3rd round of fights announced
    > yesterday.
    > > Though they oppose 3 gladiators to 3 other ones, they can be
    > called,
    > > otherwise, semifinals.
    > >
    > > Unfortunately, you have, at least those among you who attended
    > these
    > > three fights in Campus Martius hard with the three gladiators who
    > > lost. Perhaps you considered that they had not fought well enough.
    > > Anyway you have, through the divine alea, decided that all the
    > three
    > > losers were to died. "They have lived", as would have said our
    > > Ancients.
    > >
    > > 1st fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Mareotis
    > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > > Usual type: Dimach.
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : A
    > >
    > > defeats (6+1= 7 vs 6)
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Verruncundus
    > > Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    > > Usual type: Sec.
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : P DIES (dice 82)
    > >
    > >
    > > 2nd fight:
    > > Gladiator : Hierocles
    > > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > > Usual type: Mirm.
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : V
    > >
    > > defeats (5+1= 6 vs 4)
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Adlusor
    > > Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    > > Usual type: Ret.
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : R DIES (dice 88)
    > >
    > >
    > > 3 rd fight:
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Butio
    > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > Factio : R DIES (dice 57)
    > >
    > > is defeated (0 vs 9) by :
    > >
    > > Gladiator : Nemo
    > > Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > Order : Plebs
    > > Factio : R
    > >
    > >
    > > So, the three following gladiators won their qualification for the
    > > finals in which the 3 fighters will fight each other (A-B, B-C, A-
    > C):
    > > Mareotis, Hierocles, and Nemo.
    > >
    > > The results of the finals will be published soon.
    > >
    > > Valete omnes,
    > >
    > >
    > > P. Memmius Albucius
    > > aed. cur.
    > >
    > >
    > > ___________________________________________________________________
    > >
    > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
    > > <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > P. Memmius Albucius aed. omn. s.d.
    > > >
    > > > Here are the results of the fights announced yesterday. These
    > > fights
    > > > have taken place this afternoon in Campus Martius. The weather
    > was
    > > > warm, with a fresh wind with a few clouds, an ideal weather to
    > > fight.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > == The results ==
    > > >
    > > > 1st fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Mareotis
    > > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > > > Usual type: Dimach.
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : A
    > > >
    > > > defeats
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Arctos
    > > > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : R
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > 2nd fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Hierocles
    > > > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > > > Usual type: Mirm.
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : V
    > > >
    > > > defeats
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Anastasios
    > > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > > > Usual type: Hopl.
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : A
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > 3 rd fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Verruncundus
    > > > Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    > > > Usual type: Sec.
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : P
    > > >
    > > > defeats
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Ursos
    > > > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > > > Usual type: Ret.
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : R
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > 4 th fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Adlusor
    > > > Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    > > > Usual type: Ret.
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : R
    > > >
    > > > defeats
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Lucanus
    > > > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > > > Usual type: Hopl.
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : V
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > 5th fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Butio
    > > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : R
    > > >
    > > > defeats
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Dorothea
    > > > Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : R
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > 6th fight:
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Nemo
    > > > Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > Factio : R
    > > >
    > > > defeats
    > > >
    > > > Gladiator : Cunctator
    > > > Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
    > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > Factio : P
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > == Coming ==
    > > >
    > > > The 3rd round: the 6 above qualified will fight 3 vs 3.
    > > >
    > > > The results will be published in this Forum soon.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Valete omnes,
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Albucius aed.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Publius Memmius Albucius"
    > > > <albucius_aoe@> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > Aedilis Memmius Albucius omn. s.d.
    > > > >
    > > > > Today has begun the last event in our Ludi Octobris : the
    > munera
    > > > > gladiatoria.
    > > > >
    > > > > The gladiators entered are the ones their owners have entered
    > for
    > > > the
    > > > > fight around and for the head of the sacrified Equus October,
    > two
    > > > > days ago, on Campus Martius.
    > > > >
    > > > > Unusually, we have thus a perfect equality between the
    > Patrician
    > > > and
    > > > > Plebeian entries.
    > > > >
    > > > > As we have the same 6 + 6 = 12 fighters, we have thus, in this
    > > > first
    > > > > day, six 'proelia'. Here they are, knowing that these proelia
    > > have
    > > > > been organized first in order to offer the traditional
    > > oppositions,
    > > > > at best (ex. secutor-retiarius), then drawing lots when several
    > > > > gladiators belong to the same category (for instance we have 5
    > > > Thrax
    > > > > fighters entered).
    > > > >
    > > > > Tomorrow, the six winners will be opposed in a 3v3 table, and,
    > in
    > > > the
    > > > > second part of the afternoon, the three winners will fight each
    > > > other
    > > > > to be clasified at position 1, 2, and 3. The following places
    > > will
    > > > be
    > > > > given according the gladiator against whom the classified
    > fighter
    > > > > would have lost (for ex, the 4th will be the last looser vs.
    > the
    > > > > winner of the munera, the 5th vs. the 2nd, and so on).
    > > > >
    > > > > 1st fight:
    > > > >
    > > > > Gladiator : Arctos
    > > > > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > > Factio : R
    > > > > vs.
    > > > > Gladiator : Mareotis
    > > > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > > > > Usual type: Dimach.
    > > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > > Factio : A
    > > > >
    > > > > 2nd fight:
    > > > >
    > > > > Gladiator : Hierocles
    > > > > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > > > > Usual type: Mirm.
    > > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > > Factio : V
    > > > > vs.
    > > > > Gladiator : Anastasios
    > > > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > > > > Usual type: Hopl.
    > > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > > Factio : A
    > > > >
    > > > > 3 rd fight:
    > > > >
    > > > > Gladiator : Verruncundus
    > > > > Owner : L. Fabius Metellus
    > > > > Usual type: Sec.
    > > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > > Factio : P
    > > > > vs.
    > > > > Gladiator : Ursos
    > > > > Owner : L. Livia Plauta
    > > > > Usual type: Ret.
    > > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > > Factio : R
    > > > >
    > > > > 4 th fight:
    > > > >
    > > > > Gladiator : Lucanus
    > > > > Owner : C. Petronius Dexter
    > > > > Usual type: Hopl.
    > > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > > Factio : V
    > > > > vs.
    > > > > Gladiator : Adlusor
    > > > > Owner : Q. Fabius Allectus
    > > > > Usual type: Ret.
    > > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > > Factio : R
    > > > >
    > > > > 5th fight:
    > > > >
    > > > > Gladiator : Dorothea
    > > > > Owner : Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
    > > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > > Factio : R
    > > > > vs.
    > > > > Gladiator : Butio
    > > > > Owner : C. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
    > > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > > Factio : R
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > 6th fight:
    > > > >
    > > > > Gladiator : Nemo
    > > > > Owner : C. Arminius Reccanellus
    > > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > > Order : Plebs
    > > > > Factio : R
    > > > > vs.
    > > > > Gladiator : Cunctator
    > > > > Owner : Q. Fabius Maximus
    > > > > Usual type: Thrax
    > > > > Order : Nobilitas
    > > > > Factio : P
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Results will come asap.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Valete omnes,
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > P. Memmius Albucius
    > > > > aed. cur.
    > > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58328 From: Lyn Dowling Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

    Salve,

     

    LOL!!

     

    Gratias tibi, M. Hortensia. I intend to apply, regardless. The problem has been the computer, not the organization.

     

    vale,

    ld

     

     

     

     

     


    From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maior
    Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 4:38 PM
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

     

    Maior Varroni Lynneque spd;
    really joining Nova Roma means you wish to join in and
    acculturate to ancient Roman values and culture. If you find the
    works of Martial repugnant, are offended by apotropaic garden
    statues of Priapus or upset by robust free speech or cannot accept
    the premise that all cults are regarded as equal (except for the
    state cultus), then I'd say Nova Roma is not for you. If you are
    fine with it, do join us.
    optime valete
    M. Hortensia Maior


    >
    >
    >
    > I hope I do not misunderstand the nature of your question, but my
    reply is
    > that in my opinion, the best way to bring people into any faith
    group,
    > Christian or otherwise, simply is to be a human being worth
    emulating.
    >
    >
    >
    > Otherwise, I will put my position as concisely as possible: I'm
    not here to
    > cause controversy. I'm here to support people who love Rome as I
    do.
    >
    >
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > ld
    >
    >
    >
    > _____
    >
    > From: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com]
    On Behalf
    > Of philippe cardon
    > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:37 AM
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
    > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC
    CONTRADDICTION!
    >
    >
    >
    > DEAR lYNN
    >
    >
    >
    > you raise an interessant quesion, nut without solutions
    >
    > what is a "christian" action whose strenght micht conert people?
    >
    >
    >
    > I read Lyhther, calvin, Schleiermacher, Harnack, Troeltsch and
    barth and i
    > can't determinate it
    >
    >
    >
    > If i turn myself to catholic ethics,i'm learnt that Stoics and
    Aristoteles
    > told the truth about ethics, what is fine, but how christians were
    they?
    >
    >
    >
    > anima humana naturalliter christiana est (Tertullianus) ? gratia
    non tollit
    > sed pefecit natura (Thomas d'aquino)? that is the catholic teachig
    but is it
    > the biblical one?
    >
    > so i read Overbeck and i learn that cgistendom is a mere concept
    without
    > insights
    >
    > and that true because in fact christendom is the contrary of the
    teaching of
    > Christ
    >
    > christendom exists because what jesus waited for and preached
    didn't come
    >
    > what is this secret? the Son of man is comming from the heaven to
    judge the
    > earth and to put an end to this world
    >
    > so all wordly things come in contradiction with God (the chirstian
    one) and
    > inds an end in the gospell
    >
    >
    >
    > in this way how could you convert anyone t God by a wordly action
    even
    > baptized "christain" what is anonsense?
    >
    >
    >
    > Varro
    >
    >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58329 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Candidate for censura.
    SALVETE!

    Today, 18th of October I celebrate four years in Nova Roma. Four
    years of great satisfactions contributing near all of you in various
    ways to our Roman community daily life improvement and development.
    During that time I served as scriba, accensus, quaestor, aedilis
    curulis, Magna Mater Project coordinator and governor of Dacia since
    2005.
    This year, of the 10th anniversary of Nova Roma, our Gods were
    propitious with me. I was honored to serve as consul near a good
    friend, Marcus Moravius Piscinus. We were able to meet together this
    summer in Dacia and because this was the first meeting in Nova Roma's
    history of both consuls but from two different continents, I consider
    that moment as a high expression of the international status Nova
    Roma received these days.

    My activities were directed more to the practical things, through
    them, trying to promote Nova Roma at each event I participated or I
    organized.
    I follow the Cultus Deorum Romanorum way and I am sacerdos and
    pontifex of Nova Roma with great respect to Religio Romana and both
    Sacra publica and privata.

    I believe in morality, in ethics and together with my wife, A. Arria
    Carina and my son, T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus we are an honorable
    roman family from Dacia.

    Receiving favorable auspices I come with respect in front of you to
    present my candidacy as censor and to put my time, energy and
    abilities in the our roman community best interests.

    If elected my first interest is to organize next year an exemplary
    census. I will pay attention to the public morality and I will
    fulfill my duties stipulated in the Constitution and laws of Nova
    Roma.

    Thank you.

    VALETE,
    T. Iulius Sabinus
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58330 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturis
    Q Caecilius Metellus salutem.

    ut spero, ualeatis.

    uoluntas mea summa, ut Nova Roma propior Roma Antiqua fiat, Latine nos loqui;
    ergo frequentius Latine conabor scribere, cum interpretatione Anglice.

    sententiam publicam dixit Q Ualerius Poplicola de candidaturis, candidatos
    manere annum unum optante, solum, inde in eum insultarum incursus a scriptis
    multis multorum uenit. sed sententiam eam, fortasse, iterum inspiciamus, ut
    Poplicolam non male comprehendamus. dixit Poplicola: "Holding nothing against
    any of the candidates, I do want to point out that we have certain magistrates
    who are currently holding office and are also running for a higher office for
    the next year." quae facta uera, certe, et facta non dissensa. dixit: "This is
    contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year should be placed in
    between offices." ex hac incepit complusatio, ut censeo. iam diu aliis
    sententia dicebatur; non primus Poplicola. sed dittauit Poplicola, et multis
    persecutus.

    fortasse uersus 'mos maiorum' molestiae crux. significantiae uersui duae sunt,
    ab aliis tenta prima, ab aliis secunda. mihi liceat significantias duas
    demonstrare. prima, a Poplicola dicta, de more antiqua refert. secunda autem
    ab adgressoribus dicta de more noua refert. secunda mihi uisa rupta, quia etsi
    nobis mos suus, sine maioribus. duplicitas conturbationem facit, ut dissentio
    publica facta.

    si mihi liceat, maxime petam significantiam secundam mutandam, ut dissentio
    publica non iterum faciatur. si 'maiorum' extrahitur ex significantia secunda,
    at surrogatur fortasse a uerbum alterum, dissentionem amputemus publicam
    pacemque restituemus. an suggestionem meam accipiatis an repudietis, hoc in
    foro pugnare delirum; opus est nobis se desistere ne se perdamus.

    ***

    It is my greatest wish that, so Nova Roma might move closer to Roma Antiqua, we
    speak in Latin. Thus more frequently I will try to write in Latin, with English
    translation.

    Q. Valerius Poplicola made a post about candidacies, wishing that candidates
    wait one year, and only this, whence came the verbal attack against him in a
    number of posts by a number of writers. But perhaps we should look again at his
    post, so not to misunderstand Poplicola. Poplicola says: "Holding nothing
    against any of the candidates, I do want to point out that we have certain
    magistrates who are currently holding office and are also running for a higher
    office for the next year." And this is a fact, surely, and an undisputed one.
    He says as well: "This is contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a
    year should be placed in between offices." From this begins the argument, in my
    opinion. For a while now others have stated the same sentiment; Poplicola is
    not the first. But Poplicola repeats it, and has been attacked by some for it.

    Perhaps the phrase 'mos maiorum' is the cause of the problem. The phrase has
    two meanings, the one held by some, the other held by others. So allow me to
    demonstrate the two meanings. The first, as used by Poplicola, refers to the
    mos of Antiquity. But the second, used by his aggressors, refers to the mos of
    the Present. It seems to me that the second use is inaccurate, because though
    we certainly have mos, we have no maiores. This ambiguity causes confusion, for
    which reason we have these public disagreements.

    If I may, I might strongly recommend a change to the second usage, so that this
    public argument might not be made again. If 'maiorum' is removed from the
    second meaning, and perhaps replaced with another word, we may cut off this
    argument and restore the peace. Whether you accept my suggestion or reject it,
    this fighting in the Forum is senseless; it is on us all to stop ourselves lest
    we ruin ourselves.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58331 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!
    no and yes Lynn
    my question is more acute than you think
    give me a proof that an action is "christian" is the biblical true meaning of the word!
    i have for years thought about this and i have an answerf or myself, which oblige me in the same time no more christian to be!
    it is something complicated i know, but I want to help in digging this, this exstential contradiction in which lives (obligatory) all people who claim to be christain
     
    that is not like maior seems to believe a question of "is a religion better than another", well we have all an answer for ourself to this question, or we believe they are all false,or all true, or all of the same value, somewhere  between 0 and 100 upon he scale of the worth
     
    that a "critical" question about christendom for christians, what makes something christian, is it even posible that something be this?
     
    the question have no importance for the RR
    what makes a sacrifies a true one, it is that the gods answers and gives what we ask for, giving them our sacrifice. 
    it would be ridiculous to ask: what makes an action a true pagan one?
    an action can be roman if it follows the mos maiorum and the roman virtues.  it can be geek if it follows the greek ethics and virtues etc
    but no action can be pagan  or "religiously roman" or "hellenic pagan" etc,
    it can violate a religious law but it is different (blasphemy, profanatio, etc) 
     
    for the pagans world, the thing is very simple, either the Gods agree the givings or not
    in fact we can "buy" the help of the gods and we must do that
    but for a christian such a speech is a blasphemy, God can't be bought.... so what makes an action "christian"?
     
    Thanks a lot
     
    Varro
     
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58332 From: philippe cardon Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Fw: [Nova-Roma] theology
     
     

    Dear Lynn
     
    you raise an interessant question,but without solutions
    what is a "christian" action whose strenght might convert people?
     
    I read Luther, calvin, Schleiermacher, Harnack, Troeltsch and barth and i can't solve it
     
    If i turn myself to catholic ethics,i'm learnt that Stoics  and Aristoteles told the truth about ethics, what is fine, but how christians were they?
     
    anima humana naturalliter christiana est (Tertullianus)? gratia non tollit sed pefecit natura (Thomas d'aquino)? that is the catholic teaching but is it the biblical one?
    so i read Overbeck and i learn that christendom is a mere concept without insights
    and that true because in fact christendom is the contrary of the teaching of Christ
    christendom exists because what jesus waited for and preached didn't come
    what is this secret? the Son of man is comming from the heaven to judge the earth and to put an end  to this world
    so all wordly things come in contradiction with God (the chirstian one) and find an end in the gospell
     
    in this way how could you convert anyone t God by a worldly action even baptized "christain" what is a not sense?
     
    Varro
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58334 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Castra Romana Nov 14 -16 South Carolina
    Maior Quiritibus spd;
    I'm going to be going to Castra Romana with a group of about 5, with
    some prospective cives and their friends. And I'll have a table to
    recruit for NR. So please do come & meet me, I love to meet with other
    cives. We'll be camping...I have a Dr. Ammondt CD singing Elvis songs
    in Latin too;-)
    optime valete
    M. Hortensia Maior
    Chapel Hill, NC

    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Marca_Hortensia_Maior_%28Nova_Roma%29

    http://legvi.tripod.com/castroromani/
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58335 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    You come on the main list and talk about honor and the mos maiorum.  You pray that the Gods will give the candidates who break the mos maiorum the compulsion to change their ways.  You implied dishonor and you are now shocked that you are called out on your actions? 

    Since you are so schooled in the mos maiorum how should I, as a nobilitas, react to a twenty something plebeian giving out lectures on honor?  How should I, as a pontifex, react to "May the gods help them make the correct choice for the greater good of Nova Roma."  Please school us with your vast knowledge on the mos maiorum!

    Also, why are you now playing the martyr?  You did not make a "little statement," but rather you posted about honor and tradition, and ended it with a "prayer" for your proscription of the greater good of Nova Roma.  This is not a little statement.  You cannot come on the main list and insinuate dishonor and wrong choices and then complain for being called out on it!

    The Roman people where very pragmatic, and they allowed for change.  The mos maiorum of Nova Roma doesn't have the proscription to stand down for a year.  If there comes a time when our republic will allow for it then I'm confident a law will be created to mandate a year in-between offices.  In Roman antiquity there were also tens of thousands of citizens and hundreds of senatores.  We have neither of these numbers.  We will adapt as we grow, but right now we are tiny in comparison.

    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus

    On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:

    Salve, Maior. Actually, properly I love to hear rather Quintus
    Valerius. Older Republican. You know I love those traditions.

    I came back hoping that ML would be calmer. I make a post, accusing no
    one specific, and actually having no one in mind, neither your nor
    Modianus, neither of whom I knew were running for positions, and I get
    yelled at immediately by Modianus who dare accuses another citizen of
    starting mischief. Is it my fault he forsakes the traditions? Not at
    all. Am I targeting him? He has no reason to think so. I already said,
    and I'm tired of repeating for deaf ears, that if you all *don't* wait
    1 year, it's not the end of the world, and you're not necessarily
    going against the mos maiorum especially if there's good cause. I hope
    Modianus has good cause. Otherwise, I am unconcerned.

    I came back to the ML hoping it would be calmer. But it's not. Any
    little statement is construed as offensive. Citizens in Rome wouldn't
    be treated like this. No citizen in all of Roman history would have
    been shouted down by a censor of all people for citing the traditions
    of ancients.

    As for this list, I fear talking any more of my mind, lest I offend
    another censor, who calls upon the praetor to violate the free speech
    I am entitled to. You have my email, I believe, though I could be
    wrong, that I'm waiting for an email from you. But, still reeling from
    the crash, I don't have your email. Perhaps you can shoot me one.




    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58336 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Q. Valerius C. Petronio Maiorique S. D.

    I too am in whole favor of recreating the books. However, it would be
    tragic to enscone false books into our canon, books unacceptable to
    the gods. Many pretend that theology isn't important, and many pretend
    that what was ancient isn't important. We cannot know exactly what the
    Sibylline books were composed of, but we can get close.

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
    <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
    >
    > C. Petronius Maiori salutem plurimam,
    >
    > You wrote:
    > > ps: I've written these articles for the NRwiki,
    > [...]
    > > Sibylline Books stub.
    >
    > To the Sibylline books, very important and, in my opinion more
    > accurate that the "sortes Virgilianae", to search the thinkings of
    > the gods, can I suggest to the Senate to create a
    > committee/commission of experts on prophecies or prognostications (I
    > want to say the Latin word divinatio) and also latinists and poets
    > enough to write in hexameters dactylics (the verse of the Sibylline
    > prophecies) and to reenact this so necessary books?
    >
    > We must to have our own Sibylline books, born again from the fire of
    > the christian Stilicho. After their destruction during the civil war
    > between Marius and Sulla, the Senate made other books. We can follow
    > this precedent.
    >
    > And after the complete work, the augurs might know with tripudium or
    > auspicia whether gods agree or not our new Sibylline books.
    >
    > Vale.
    >
    > C. Petronius Dexter
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58337 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturis
    Q. Valerius Q. Caecilio et aliisque S. P. D.

    Metello: Multas tibi gratias ago, mi amicissime. Verum est mores in
    Nova Roma eorum non esse maiorum Romae Antiquae. Vere neminem
    accusaui, neque ego uolo omnes manentes haud annum unum egredi. Bona
    uerba tamen dixisti et nunc pacem appellemus. Morem maiorum et mores
    Noua Romae habeamus.

    Modiane: Mala causa male dixisti. Te ipsum in animo non habui. Cur es
    aggressus? Rogo te, deosque de eo oro, bene dicas, ut nominis tui male
    non dixi. Animus violentiae non est Pontifici.

    bene ualete, amice et censor.

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
    <postumianus@...> wrote:
    >
    > Q Caecilius Metellus salutem.
    >
    > ut spero, ualeatis.
    >
    > uoluntas mea summa, ut Nova Roma propior Roma Antiqua fiat, Latine
    nos loqui;
    > ergo frequentius Latine conabor scribere, cum interpretatione Anglice.
    >
    > sententiam publicam dixit Q Ualerius Poplicola de candidaturis,
    candidatos
    > manere annum unum optante, solum, inde in eum insultarum incursus a
    scriptis
    > multis multorum uenit. sed sententiam eam, fortasse, iterum
    inspiciamus, ut
    > Poplicolam non male comprehendamus. dixit Poplicola: "Holding
    nothing against
    > any of the candidates, I do want to point out that we have certain
    magistrates
    > who are currently holding office and are also running for a higher
    office for
    > the next year." quae facta uera, certe, et facta non dissensa.
    dixit: "This is
    > contrary to the mos maiorum, which mandates that a year should be
    placed in
    > between offices." ex hac incepit complusatio, ut censeo. iam diu aliis
    > sententia dicebatur; non primus Poplicola. sed dittauit Poplicola,
    et multis
    > persecutus.
    >
    > fortasse uersus 'mos maiorum' molestiae crux. significantiae uersui
    duae sunt,
    > ab aliis tenta prima, ab aliis secunda. mihi liceat significantias duas
    > demonstrare. prima, a Poplicola dicta, de more antiqua refert.
    secunda autem
    > ab adgressoribus dicta de more noua refert. secunda mihi uisa
    rupta, quia etsi
    > nobis mos suus, sine maioribus. duplicitas conturbationem facit, ut
    dissentio
    > publica facta.
    >
    > si mihi liceat, maxime petam significantiam secundam mutandam, ut
    dissentio
    > publica non iterum faciatur. si 'maiorum' extrahitur ex
    significantia secunda,
    > at surrogatur fortasse a uerbum alterum, dissentionem amputemus
    publicam
    > pacemque restituemus. an suggestionem meam accipiatis an
    repudietis, hoc in
    > foro pugnare delirum; opus est nobis se desistere ne se perdamus.
    >
    > ***
    >
    > It is my greatest wish that, so Nova Roma might move closer to Roma
    Antiqua, we
    > speak in Latin. Thus more frequently I will try to write in Latin,
    with English
    > translation.
    >
    > Q. Valerius Poplicola made a post about candidacies, wishing that
    candidates
    > wait one year, and only this, whence came the verbal attack against
    him in a
    > number of posts by a number of writers. But perhaps we should look
    again at his
    > post, so not to misunderstand Poplicola. Poplicola says: "Holding
    nothing
    > against any of the candidates, I do want to point out that we have
    certain
    > magistrates who are currently holding office and are also running
    for a higher
    > office for the next year." And this is a fact, surely, and an
    undisputed one.
    > He says as well: "This is contrary to the mos maiorum, which
    mandates that a
    > year should be placed in between offices." From this begins the
    argument, in my
    > opinion. For a while now others have stated the same sentiment;
    Poplicola is
    > not the first. But Poplicola repeats it, and has been attacked by
    some for it.
    >
    > Perhaps the phrase 'mos maiorum' is the cause of the problem. The
    phrase has
    > two meanings, the one held by some, the other held by others. So
    allow me to
    > demonstrate the two meanings. The first, as used by Poplicola,
    refers to the
    > mos of Antiquity. But the second, used by his aggressors, refers to
    the mos of
    > the Present. It seems to me that the second use is inaccurate,
    because though
    > we certainly have mos, we have no maiores. This ambiguity causes
    confusion, for
    > which reason we have these public disagreements.
    >
    > If I may, I might strongly recommend a change to the second usage,
    so that this
    > public argument might not be made again. If 'maiorum' is removed
    from the
    > second meaning, and perhaps replaced with another word, we may cut
    off this
    > argument and restore the peace. Whether you accept my suggestion or
    reject it,
    > this fighting in the Forum is senseless; it is on us all to stop
    ourselves lest
    > we ruin ourselves.
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58338 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: Castra Romana Nov 14 -16 South Carolina
    Agricola Maiori sal.

    Thank you for going and showing the Nova Roma vexillum, as it were. It
    looks like it will be a great event.

    I noticed that there will be some interesting vendors there, including
    our friends LaWren's Nest among others. I wonder if any of them will
    be willing to take one or two of our sestertii in trade. As I
    understand it, it wouldn't be the first time. After all, the exchange
    rate is just 50 US cents per sestertius, and the way things are going
    financially, our currency might be the more stable one.

    Take a few photos if you can, especially of our citizens. This has
    been an excellent year for us in terms of real-life events and I want
    to make sure that the website reflects that in photos.

    optime vale!



    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
    >
    > Maior Quiritibus spd;
    > I'm going to be going to Castra Romana with a group of about 5, with
    > some prospective cives and their friends. And I'll have a table to
    > recruit for NR. So please do come & meet me, I love to meet with other
    > cives. We'll be camping...I have a Dr. Ammondt CD singing Elvis songs
    > in Latin too;-)
    > optime valete
    > M. Hortensia Maior
    > Chapel Hill, NC
    >
    > http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Marca_Hortensia_Maior_%28Nova_Roma%29
    >
    > http://legvi.tripod.com/castroromani/
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58339 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-18
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Since your words and tone are neither becoming of a pontifex nor a
    censor, I sent you word in private.

    uale.

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
    <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
    >
    > You come on the main list and talk about honor and the mos maiorum. You
    > pray that the Gods will give the candidates who break the mos
    maiorum the
    > compulsion to change their ways. You implied dishonor and you are now
    > shocked that you are called out on your actions?
    >
    > Since you are so schooled in the mos maiorum how should I, as a
    nobilitas,
    > react to a twenty something plebeian giving out lectures on honor? How
    > should I, as a pontifex, react to "May the gods help them make the
    correct
    > choice for the greater good of Nova Roma." Please school us with
    your vast
    > knowledge on the mos maiorum!
    >
    > Also, why are you now playing the martyr? You did not make a "little
    > statement," but rather you posted about honor and tradition, and
    ended it
    > with a "prayer" for your proscription of the greater good of Nova Roma.
    > This is not a little statement. You cannot come on the main list and
    > insinuate dishonor and wrong choices and then complain for being
    called out
    > on it!
    >
    > The Roman people where very pragmatic, and they allowed for change.
    The mos
    > maiorum of Nova Roma doesn't have the proscription to stand down for a
    > year. If there comes a time when our republic will allow for it
    then I'm
    > confident a law will be created to mandate a year in-between
    offices. In
    > Roman antiquity there were also tens of thousands of citizens and
    hundreds
    > of senatores. We have neither of these numbers. We will adapt as
    we grow,
    > but right now we are tiny in comparison.
    >
    > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
    >
    > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <
    > catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
    >
    > > Salve, Maior. Actually, properly I love to hear rather Quintus
    > > Valerius. Older Republican. You know I love those traditions.
    > >
    > > I came back hoping that ML would be calmer. I make a post, accusing no
    > > one specific, and actually having no one in mind, neither your nor
    > > Modianus, neither of whom I knew were running for positions, and I get
    > > yelled at immediately by Modianus who dare accuses another citizen of
    > > starting mischief. Is it my fault he forsakes the traditions? Not at
    > > all. Am I targeting him? He has no reason to think so. I already said,
    > > and I'm tired of repeating for deaf ears, that if you all *don't* wait
    > > 1 year, it's not the end of the world, and you're not necessarily
    > > going against the mos maiorum especially if there's good cause. I hope
    > > Modianus has good cause. Otherwise, I am unconcerned.
    > >
    > > I came back to the ML hoping it would be calmer. But it's not. Any
    > > little statement is construed as offensive. Citizens in Rome wouldn't
    > > be treated like this. No citizen in all of Roman history would have
    > > been shouted down by a censor of all people for citing the traditions
    > > of ancients.
    > >
    > > As for this list, I fear talking any more of my mind, lest I offend
    > > another censor, who calls upon the praetor to violate the free speech
    > > I am entitled to. You have my email, I believe, though I could be
    > > wrong, that I'm waiting for an email from you. But, still reeling from
    > > the crash, I don't have your email. Perhaps you can shoot me one.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58340 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 19, 2008.
    C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,
     
    Today in Rome :
     
    (Julian day : 2 454 759).
     
    A. d. XIV Kalendas Novembres
    MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
    Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio
     
    Day of the week : Solis dies (Sunday).
     
    Lunaris dies: XXI .
    Nundinal letter : D.
     
    Hora ortus Solis : 07:27.
    Hora occasus Solis : 18:21.
    Temp. Min. : 11° C.
    Temp. Max. : 23° C.
    Wind on Rome :  14Km/h.
    Weather : More sun than clouds.
     
    Horae diei :
     
    I: 07:27 - 08:12 Mercurii hora.
    II: 08:12 - 08:58 Lunae hora.
    III: 08:58 - 09:43 Saturni hora.
    IV: 09:43 - 10:29 Iovis hora.
    V: 10:29 - 11:14 Martis hora.
    VI: 11:14 - 12:00 Solis hora.
    VII: 12:00 - 13:03 Veneris hora.
    VIII: 13:05 - 14:07 Mercurii hora.
    IX: 14:07 - 15:10 Lunae hora.
    X: 15:10 - 16:14 Saturni hora.
    XI: 16:14 - 17:17 Iovis hora.
    XII: 17:27 - 18:21 Martis hora.
     
    Horae noctis :
     
    I: 18:21 - 19:17 Solis hora.
    II: 19:17 - 20:14 Veneris hora.
    III: 20:14 - 21:10 Mercurii hora.
    IV: 21:10 - 22:07 Lunae hora.
    V: 22:07 - 23:03 Saturni hora.
    VI: 23:03 - 00:00 Iovis hora.
    VII: 00:00 - 01:15 Martis hora.
    VIII: 01:15 - 02:30 Solis hora.
    IX: 02:30 - 03:44 Veneris hora.
    X: 03:44 - 04:59 Mercurii hora.
    XI: 04:59 - 06:14 Lunae hora.
    XII: 06:14 - 07:28 Saturni hora.
     
    Valete.
     
    C. Petronius Dexter.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58341 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: Candidate for censura.
    Salve Sabine,

    Nova Roma has been fortunate indeed to have you among us. You've been
    a fine consul, and I'm sure you'll be a fine censor. I'm pleased to
    support you in this endeavor.

    Vale,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

    Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> writes:

    > Receiving favorable auspices I come with respect in front of you to
    > present my candidacy as censor and to put my time, energy and
    > abilities in the our roman community best interests.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58342 From: Colin Brodd Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturis

    C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus S.P.D.
     
    Salvete, Quirites!
     
    Well, I'm glad that the Latin in the subject line of this thread has been corrected, anyway!
     
    I would like to add my voice to those who suggest we need to define the "mos maiorum" a little better. The Latin means "the custom of the ancestors" . . . meaning the way things were done by past generations, implying that custom with the weight of centuries behind it acquired nearly the force of law. 
     
    In this light, it seems slightly absurd to label anything from the last decade of Nova Roma as "mos maiorum" - the acts of Nova Romans in the last 10 years may be an important precedent, true, and will remain vital for interpreting the directions taken by our Republic, but cannot be considered the authority of past generations. Nova Roma's "mos maiorum" at this point consists in the customs of Roma Antiqua.
     
    Please note that I am not addressing the question of whether or not there should be a one year gap between holding office and running for office anew, I am merely suggesting that as a culture we need to have a distinction between "mos maiorum" (i.e. the way our ancestors - the ancient Romans - did things) and "they way we've been doing things for the last 10 years" (which has a very different authority to most of us).
     
    To address the point: I tend to side with the pragmatists who say that while it would be a nice ideal to have all our politicians take a year off before running for office anew, the practical reality is that there don't seem to be enough candidates in our tiny republic. Right now many offices are essentially uncontested (i.e. the number of positions open is equal to or greater than the number of candidates running). Some do not even have enough candidates yet to fill the offices. Until Nova Roma has enough citizens interested in an active political life to provide more candidates than open positions for all offices, can we even consider requiring our polticians to take a year off?
     
    I am running for office for the first time this year myself, hoping to take my first step on my Cursus Honorum after 8 years of citizenship in which macronational concerns did not permit me the time for such an active role in Nova Rome. I cannot say whether I would be seeking office again next year if I were to be elected this year - who can say what the gods may bring in another year? But I do know that I believe that Nova Roma needs more citizens who are interested in taking an active role in poltics. I want to be part of the solution. If anyone has serious concerns about the fact that offices may be concentrated in the hands of just a few citizens from year to year, let them come forward as candidates themselves, or support others who do so. A healthy republic requires this.
     
    Valete!

    Ad Templum Diis Immortalibus Romae Aedificandum!

    "Qua(e) patres difficillime
    adepti sunt nolite
    turpiter relinquere" -
    Monumentum Bradfordis, Tamaropoli, in civitate Massaciuseta
    (Bradford Monument, Plymouth, MA)

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58343 From: David Kling (Modianus) Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Since you are neither, nor have you been either, I assume you know this because you read it in a book?  This is, as I see it, the heart of the problem young Poplicola.  You issue injunctions and proclamations without reservation and expect others to follow your wisdom without reservation.  I'm sure in Roma antiqua your comments would be well received?  I'm sure the pontifices and censores of old would have taken your words and said (in Latin of course), "You're right Sport, I didn't think about that one.  How did we survive without you?"  I think not.
     
    To discuss this further serves us nothing.  You know my thoughts on your behavior.   By all means feel free to get the last word.
     
    Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
    On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:

    Since your words and tone are neither becoming of a pontifex nor a
    censor, I sent you word in private.



    uale.
    .


    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58344 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturis
    Cn. Lentulus quaestor C. Tullio rogatori candidato sal.


    I must state that I agree with every single word C. Tullius Valerianus has written. The "mos majorum", the most sacred word in the Latin language for a Roman, the unwritten constitution for a Roman republic, the spiritual guide to the Roman ethics, virtues, religion and to all things Roman, this 'mos majorum" that is similar importance though unwritten like the Bible for a Christian, so: this word means "the custom of the ancestors": the Romanity.

    We can speak about all we want in Nova Roma, but our "mos majorum" is the the history of the Roman people between 753 BCE and 395 AD, as it's described in our Constitution.

    Anything we do, should be in line with what the Romans did in those times. And if we can't do the same, we must try to do the most similar thing possible

    All that said, I want to say that my opinion is that waiting one year between two offices is NOT a question of Romanity, it is not something that is essential part of being Roman, it is not necessarily belonging to the "mos majorum".

    It is a question of legality: and since it's legal in NR, runnig for a magistracy without leaving out a year is acceptable for me.

    In the end of my letter, let me express my admiration for C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus, who takes his citizenship very seriously and speaks with wisdom and knowledge. His roman name was earlier not in line with Roman traditions and after long consiferations he agreed to change his name and to follow the Roman Way: this is mos majorum.

    You have my vote, C. Tulli!
     

    CN LENTVLVS
    pontifex, quaestor
    governor of Pannonia


    --- Dom 19/10/08, Colin Brodd <magisterbrodd@...> ha scritto:
    Da: Colin Brodd <magisterbrodd@...>
    Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: De Candidaturis
    A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Data: Domenica 19 ottobre 2008, 08:58


    C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus omnibus S.P.D.
     
    Salvete, Quirites!
     
    Well, I'm glad that the Latin in the subject line of this thread has been corrected, anyway!
     
    I would like to add my voice to those who suggest we need to define the "mos maiorum" a little better. The Latin means "the custom of the ancestors" . . . meaning the way things were done by past generations, implying that custom with the weight of centuries behind it acquired nearly the force of law. 
     
    In this light, it seems slightly absurd to label anything from the last decade of Nova Roma as "mos maiorum" - the acts of Nova Romans in the last 10 years may be an important precedent, true, and will remain vital for interpreting the directions taken by our Republic, but cannot be considered the authority of past generations. Nova Roma's "mos maiorum" at this point consists in the customs of Roma Antiqua.
     
    Please note that I am not addressing the question of whether or not there should be a one year gap between holding office and running for office anew, I am merely suggesting that as a culture we need to have a distinction between "mos maiorum" (i.e. the way our ancestors - the ancient Romans - did things) and "they way we've been doing things for the last 10 years" (which has a very different authority to most of us).
     
    To address the point: I tend to side with the pragmatists who say that while it would be a nice ideal to have all our politicians take a year off before running for office anew, the practical reality is that there don't seem to be enough candidates in our tiny republic. Right now many offices are essentially uncontested (i.e. the number of positions open is equal to or greater than the number of candidates running). Some do not even have enough candidates yet to fill the offices. Until Nova Roma has enough citizens interested in an active political life to provide more candidates than open positions for all offices, can we even consider requiring our polticians to take a year off?
     
    I am running for office for the first time this year myself, hoping to take my first step on my Cursus Honorum after 8 years of citizenship in which macronational concerns did not permit me the time for such an active role in Nova Rome. I cannot say whether I would be seeking office again next year if I were to be elected this year - who can say what the gods may bring in another year? But I do know that I believe that Nova Roma needs more citizens who are interested in taking an active role in poltics. I want to be part of the solution. If anyone has serious concerns about the fact that offices may be concentrated in the hands of just a few citizens from year to year, let them come forward as candidates themselves, or support others who do so. A healthy republic requires this.
     
    Valete!

    Ad Templum Diis Immortalibus Romae Aedificandum!

    "Qua(e) patres difficillime
    adepti sunt nolite
    turpiter relinquere" -
    Monumentum Bradfordis, Tamaropoli, in civitate Massaciuseta
    (Bradford Monument, Plymouth, MA)

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58345 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: a. d. XIIII Kalendas Novembris: ARMILUSTRIUM
    M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
    omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Mars consilia communicet nobiscum.

    Hodie est ante diem XIIII Kalendas Novembris; haec dies nefas
    piaculum est: Armilustrium

    "The Armilustrium, Purification of Arms, from the fact that the men
    with arms perform the ceremony of the Armilustrium, unless the place
    is rather named from the men; but as I said of them previously, this
    word comes from ludere, 'to play,' or from lustrum, 'purification,'
    that is, because armed men went around making sport (ludentes) with
    the sacred ancillae." ~ Varro Lingua Latinae 6.22

    "The Armilustrium was a festival among the Romans where men in armor
    performed sacred rites and made sacrifice to the songs of the pipes."
    ~ Festus 19

    At the sound of trumpets, sacrifices were made to Mars at the
    Armilustrum, located in the north-west corner of the Aventine Hill
    near the tomb of Titus Tatius (Plutarch, Life of Romulus 23.3; Festus
    p. 17, 28 ff).

    AUC 563 / 190 BCE: The Campaign against Antiochus delayed by the
    Armilustrium.

    "The Romans had expected this to be the occasion of a severe contest,
    and they were in high spirits when they found the way to Asia open to
    them. They remained in camp at the Hellespont for some time, as the
    holy days during which the Ancilia were borne in procession happened
    to fall during their march. These days enjoined special religious
    duties on Publius Scipio as one of the Salii, and kept him apart from
    the army, consequently their advance was delayed till he rejoined
    them." ~ Livy 37.33

    This passage from Livy is believed to refer to the Armilustrium of
    October. Publius Scipio Africanu departed for Asia in July. He was
    on the staff of his brother Lucius who held command in the campaign
    and who was to win the decisive Battle of Magnesia in December. As
    in March, throughout the beginning of October the Salii priests were
    actively performing their rites at various locations throughout the
    City. The month of October, like March, was dedicated to Mars, with
    its special festival on the Ides being the sacrifice of the October
    Horse to Mars. The date of the Armilustrium, on 19 October, has been
    recognized as a parallel to the Quinquatrus, or 'fifth day after the
    Ides,' on 19 March when the Salii and Tribuni Celerum met in the
    Comitium to purify the sacred ancillae at the beginning of the year.
    It has been suggested then that the Armilustrium of October was the
    last day on which the Salii performed their rites, cleansing,
    purifying, and storing away the arma and ancillae for the following
    year. Somewhat of a mystery is why the Armilustrium took place on the
    Aventine, near the Circus Maximus (Varro L. L. 5.153). There is no
    known altar of Mars that was near here. But that may be answered in
    what was observed about the Carmen Salii yesterday where Janus
    Jupiter and Mars are enjoined; recalling that Janus was related to
    Cerus and Consus, whose altar was in the Circus Maximus; and then
    noting, too, that all three were enjoined with Ceres on the Tavole
    Iguvium and that just as 19 April was the Cerealia, the nineteenth of
    each month celebrated Ceres on the Aventine.

    Some modern scholars have posed that thetime from the Quinquatrus of
    March to the Armilustrium of October represented a military season of
    campaigning. Such an interpretation cannot have been correct. The
    consules had various religious rites to perform, not least of which
    was attendance at the feriae Latinae in April. The time allotted
    between the initial assembly of the Comitia Centuriata, the
    preparation, equipping and then the actual enlistment of the army
    arrived in April or May. The flamen Portunalis anointed the arms of
    Quirinus on the Volcanalia of 23 August, which suggests a ritual
    purification of the army upon returning from a campaign. Also such a
    span of time from March through October would have overlapped the
    agricultural cycle at critical times of sowing and harvesting.
    Earlier modern scholars pointed instead to how the nature of the
    Salii dance, the words of the Carmen Saliorum and those of the Carmen
    Fratrum Arvalum all suggest purification rituals made in conjunction
    with agriculture rites. It would seem rather significant, too, that
    the Armilustrium occurs on the Aventine, outside the pomerium. That
    is, that the final annual rite of the Salii took whatever evils may
    have accumulated on the ancillae during the rites of purification
    inside the City and brought these outside to be dispersed.


    AUC 534 / 219 BCE Filial and religious spirit of L. Furius Bibaculus

    "As Praetor, at the direction of his father who was Magister
    Saliorum, the head of the college of Salii priests, he bore the
    sacred shields, preceded by his six lectors, even though by virtue of
    his office he was entitled to exemption from this duty. For our
    civitas has always held that all things must yield to religion, even
    in the case of persons in whom it wished the splendor of most exalted
    dignity to be displayed. Thus holders of imperium never hesitated to
    minister to holy things in the belief that theirs would be the
    governance of human affairs only if they performed good and faithful
    service to the power of the Gods." ~ Valerius Maximus 1.1.9


    AUC 551 / 202 BCE Battle of Zama

    After sixteen years of war, in what proved to be an exhaustive and
    fruitless campaign, Hannibal was recalled to Africa to face the Roman
    army under Publius Cornelius Scipio. Months passed as Hannibal
    prepared his army while Scipio besieged Utica, moved on to Tunis, and
    gathered allies in North Africa. A Carthaginian naval victory did
    not slow Scipio's advance. The final confrontation came on the plains
    near Zama.

    Hannibal's front line was composed of mercenaries from Gaul and
    Liguria together with light troops from Mauretania and the Baleric
    Islands. In his second line he placed his Carthaginian, African and
    Macedonian troops. To the rear was a third line composed of veterans
    from his campaign in Italy, who were mostly Bruttians. On his right
    were the Carthaginian cavalry while on the left Hannibal placed his
    Numidian cavalry under Syphax. To his front Hannibal had placed
    eighty war elephants.

    Scipio formed his Roman infantry into three lines with the hastati in
    front, the principes in the second line, and the veteran triarii in
    the third line. Their formation was unusual, however, in that they
    were formed into maniples rather than cohorts, with gaps left between
    each tactical unit to allow the enemy's elephants to pass. Covering
    these gaps were velites, mainly provided from Masinissa's light
    infantry. Masinissa led four thousand Numidian cavalry on Scipio's
    right, to face his rival Syphax. On Scipio's left was then the
    Italian cavalry under Quaestor Laelius. The Roman infantry was out
    numbered, but composed of volunteer veterans against a diverse and
    discordant enemy. Unusual for a Roman battle, Scipio had the
    advantage in cavalry both in numbers and experienced troopers, as
    well as in their commanders.

    At the first blast of the Roman trumpets, the Carthaginian elephants
    panicked. On the left they turned into their own lines, disrupting
    Hannibal's Numidian cavalry. Masinissa quickly disposed of Syphax and
    bared Hannibal's left. On the right, the panicked elephants charged
    into the waiting trap. The few that survived ran back into the
    Carthaginian line, and Laelius was also able to disperse the enemy
    cavalry before him. The disciplined Roman infantry pushed back the
    Gallic and Ligurian infantry. Hannibal's second line of Carthaginians
    neither supported nor relieved the front line, but instead held the
    mercenaries forward to be slaughtered in their stead. In contrast the
    triarii pushed their lines forward to break the Carthaginian lines.
    The Roman cavalry returned to the field after driving away the
    enemy's cavalry. Coordinated attacks then took Hannibal's third line
    in the rear. The Bruttians were more intent on escaping the fate of
    the Gauls and Ligurians, in the end leaving the Carthaginians to be
    engulfed. Hannibal escaped. His army is said to have lost over twenty
    thousand men, the Romans only around 1,500, but such figures are
    notoriously unreliable.

    Zama was not the final engagement of the war, but it was such a
    crushing defeat that Hannibal recommended that the Carthaginian
    Senate sue for peace. Rome imposed a heavy indemnity on Carthage, as
    well as took over Hispania. But Hannibal's management of his city's
    affairs proved no less capable than his ability as a general
    and he was able to pay off the debt with relative ease, which in its
    own way prepared for the Third Punic War.


    You may find Livy's account of the battle at Forum Romanum, Book
    30.33-35
    http://www.forumromanum.org/literature/liviusx.html


    Today's thought is from Sextus, Select Sentences 66 and 44:

    Think that you suffer a great punishment when you obtain the object
    of corporeal desire; for the attainment of such objects never
    satisfies desire. Every desire is insatiable, and therefore is always
    in want.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58346 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Elections: Titus Iulius Sabinus for Censor !
    Salvete Quirites,
     
    I Titus Flavius Aquila with all my heart welcome and support Titus Iulius Sabinus candidacy for censura.
     
    Titus Iulius Sabinus is a hardworking, devoted and knowledgable citizen , who has servered in several magistrate
    positions for our Republic of Nova Roma.
     
    I am absolutely confident that Titus Iulius Sabinus will be an excellent Censor.
     
    I call upon all my friends to vote for Titus Iulius Sabinus .
     
    Titus Iulius Sabinus for Censor !
     
    Titus Flavius Aquila

     

    Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma

    Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania

    Scriba Censoris KFBM

    Collegium sodalitas proDIIS

    Candidatus Quaestor



    ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
    Von: Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...>
    An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Gesendet: Samstag, den 18. Oktober 2008, 23:20:31 Uhr
    Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Candidate for censura.

    SALVETE!

    Today, 18th of October I celebrate four years in Nova Roma. Four
    years of great satisfactions contributing near all of you in various
    ways to our Roman community daily life improvement and development.
    During that time I served as scriba, accensus, quaestor, aedilis
    curulis, Magna Mater Project coordinator and governor of Dacia since
    2005.
    This year, of the 10th anniversary of Nova Roma, our Gods were
    propitious with me. I was honored to serve as consul near a good
    friend, Marcus Moravius Piscinus. We were able to meet together this
    summer in Dacia and because this was the first meeting in Nova Roma's
    history of both consuls but from two different continents, I consider
    that moment as a high expression of the international status Nova
    Roma received these days.

    My activities were directed more to the practical things, through
    them, trying to promote Nova Roma at each event I participated or I
    organized.
    I follow the Cultus Deorum Romanorum way and I am sacerdos and
    pontifex of Nova Roma with great respect to Religio Romana and both
    Sacra publica and privata.

    I believe in morality, in ethics and together with my wife, A. Arria
    Carina and my son, T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus we are an honorable
    roman family from Dacia.

    Receiving favorable auspices I come with respect in front of you to
    present my candidacy as censor and to put my time, energy and
    abilities in the our roman community best interests.

    If elected my first interest is to organize next year an exemplary
    census. I will pay attention to the public morality and I will
    fulfill my duties stipulated in the Constitution and laws of Nova
    Roma.

    Thank you.

    VALETE,
    T. Iulius Sabinus


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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58347 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    C. Petronius Q. Valerio salutem,

    > I too am in whole favor of recreating the books. However, it would be
    > tragic to enscone

    Enscone? Is it "to ensconce"? To install? I do not want be umpleasant,
    but I am not English speaker and I must to hold my dictionary beside me
    to understand what I read. And to enscone is not in my dictionary.

    > false books into our canon, books unacceptable to
    > the gods.

    Yes, you are right and I agree with you. The restoration of the
    Sibylline books must be a serious work not a "Da Vinci Code" story.

    > Many pretend that theology isn't important, and many pretend
    > that what was ancient isn't important. We cannot know exactly what the
    > Sibylline books were composed of, but we can get close.

    I am very sorry, but I did not understand the expression "but we can
    get close". The meaning is it "we can approach it"... or "We can have
    an idea of it"?

    Vale.

    C. Petronius Dexter.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58348 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Dextro s.d.

    J'ai aussi compris "to ensconCe" = nicher, coincer, insérer dans un
    endroit réduit.
    Sinon, to "enscone", ça doit vouloir dire "mettre dans un scone"..?
    (je plaisante)

    "To get close" = s'en rapprocher.


    Vale,


    P. Memmius Albucius


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
    <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
    >
    > C. Petronius Q. Valerio salutem,
    >
    > > I too am in whole favor of recreating the books. However, it
    would be
    > > tragic to enscone
    >
    > Enscone? Is it "to ensconce"? To install? I do not want be
    umpleasant,
    > but I am not English speaker and I must to hold my dictionary
    beside me
    > to understand what I read. And to enscone is not in my dictionary.

    > > Sibylline books were composed of, but we can get close.
    >
    > I am very sorry, but I did not understand the expression "but we
    can
    > get close". The meaning is it "we can approach it"... or "We can
    have
    > an idea of it"?
    >
    > Vale.
    >
    > C. Petronius Dexter.
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58349 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Maior Dextro Albucio s.d.
    ensconce? c'est mal émployé et les scones sont très lourds; donnez-
    moi une brioche (je taquine aussi)
    and 'it is possible to approach..' is better English usage as well.
    Maior,
    >
    > J'ai aussi compris "to ensconCe" = nicher, coincer, insérer dans
    un
    > endroit réduit.
    > Sinon, to "enscone", ça doit vouloir dire "mettre dans un
    scone"..?
    > (je plaisante)
    >
    > "To get close" = s'en rapprocher.
    >
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    >
    > P. Memmius Albucius
    >
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
    > <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
    > >
    > > C. Petronius Q. Valerio salutem,
    > >
    > > > I too am in whole favor of recreating the books. However, it
    > would be
    > > > tragic to enscone
    > >
    > > Enscone? Is it "to ensconce"? To install? I do not want be
    > umpleasant,
    > > but I am not English speaker and I must to hold my dictionary
    > beside me
    > > to understand what I read. And to enscone is not in my
    dictionary.
    >
    > > > Sibylline books were composed of, but we can get close.
    > >
    > > I am very sorry, but I did not understand the expression "but we
    > can
    > > get close". The meaning is it "we can approach it"... or "We can
    > have
    > > an idea of it"?
    > >
    > > Vale.
    > >
    > > C. Petronius Dexter.
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58350 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    I know it from the ancients themselves. There are more in these books,
    Modiane, than you have tried to live yourself. Keeping this up would
    embarrass the ancients, though I doubt you care about them at all.

    Without reservation? No, I had my reservations, nor do I expect anyone
    to follow it blindly. But you rambled off the first bit of ire which
    popped into your head. No reservations for your anger management issues.

    The last word? What, seriously going to bow out without raising one
    valid objection to what I've said? Pathetic. And a disgrace.

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "David Kling (Modianus)"
    <tau.athanasios@...> wrote:
    >
    > Since you are neither, nor have you been either, I assume you know this
    > because you read it in a book? This is, as I see it, the heart of the
    > problem young Poplicola. You issue injunctions and proclamations
    without
    > reservation and expect others to follow your wisdom without reservation.
    > I'm sure in Roma antiqua your comments would be well received? I'm
    sure the
    > pontifices and censores of old would have taken your words and said (in
    > Latin of course), "You're right Sport, I didn't think about that
    one. How
    > did we survive without you?" I think not.
    >
    > To discuss this further serves us nothing. You know my thoughts on your
    > behavior. By all means feel free to get the last word.
    >
    > Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus
    > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Q. Valerius Poplicola <
    > catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
    >
    > > Since your words and tone are neither becoming of a pontifex nor a
    > > censor, I sent you word in private.
    > >
    > > uale.
    > > .
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58351 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: De Candidaturae
    Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Q. Valerio Poplicolae omnibusque s.p.d.

    >Pathetic. And a disgrace.

        Exchanges like this one--which are WAY too common in Nova Roma--are pathetic. Instead of bitching, moaning, and insulting one another, why don't you both go do something productive and useful to the Republic? You're both priests; go do a ritual and post pictures of it on the wiki. Or if you want to type, go put up decent articles about Falacer and Pomona; the former article doesn't exist at all, and the latter is two simple sentences.
        The only reason I sent this to the list is because there have recently been exchanges such as this one which involved other people. Of course, taking a glance a the list history shows a multitude of such vitriolic vomitings. Maybe we would have a real, operating Republic and Religio if more people would work and offer instead of spending hours spewing gossip and insulting one another.
        I don't know these two people well; I know Modianus a hair better than not at all, and I've never been acquainted with Poplicola. I don't know what may exist between them from the past. And I don't care. It doesn't matter. What matters is "doing". See the pictures of the various rituals that have taken place throughout this year, including those to Concordia (nice goddess, her) if you need examples to follow.
     
    Optime valete.

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    Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
    Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
    Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58352 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: Candidate for censura.
    SALVE MARINE!
     
    Thank you for your kind words.
     
    As romanitas, in Nova Roma, we have fine examples to follow. I consider you one of the best.
     
    VALE BENE,
    IVL SABINVS 

    Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
    Salve Sabine,

    Nova Roma has been fortunate indeed to have you among us. You've been
    a fine consul, and I'm sure you'll be a fine censor. I'm pleased to
    support you in this endeavor.

    Vale,

    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

    Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@ yahoo.com> writes:

    > Receiving favorable auspices I come with respect in front of you to
    > present my candidacy as censor and to put my time, energy and
    > abilities in the our roman community best interests.



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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58353 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Ludi Octobris closed
    Aed. cur. P. Memmius Albucius omn. s.d.

    I have closed at sunset today the Ludi Octobris, in this Armilustrium
    day.

    The ceremony report will be available in a few days.

    Thanks again for all of you who entered them.


    Valete omnes, Quirites !


    P. Memmius Albucius
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58354 From: Christer Edling Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: Candidate for censura.
    Salvete Quirites et Salve Consul!

    I am happy to endorse You, Titus Iulius Sabinus Consul, in your
    candiday for the Censura!

    You are a real role-model as a Roman magistrate and I am sure that You
    will do a great job as a Censor as You have done in the other
    magistrates that You have held. I can't think of a better Censor and
    as it is a rather complicated task to be Censor I feel very confident
    that You will make a great job as a Censor. You can rely on me to use
    my knowledge as a Censorius and the Censor that built the Censorial
    Cohors to assist You with my advise, if You need such advise.

    Just a few words about Senator Gaius Popillius Laenas and his
    candidature. Senator Laenas is an honest and dedicated citizen and if
    I was to vote for two candidates I would vote for him too.

    Now that I have to choose, I will choose to vote for Titus Iulius
    Sabinus Consul for Censor!

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    18 okt 2008 kl. 23.20 skrev Titus Iulius Sabinus:

    SALVETE!

    Today, 18th of October I celebrate four years in Nova Roma. Four
    years of great satisfactions contributing near all of you in various
    ways to our Roman community daily life improvement and development.
    During that time I served as scriba, accensus, quaestor, aedilis
    curulis, Magna Mater Project coordinator and governor of Dacia since
    2005.
    This year, of the 10th anniversary of Nova Roma, our Gods were
    propitious with me. I was honored to serve as consul near a good
    friend, Marcus Moravius Piscinus. We were able to meet together this
    summer in Dacia and because this was the first meeting in Nova Roma's
    history of both consuls but from two different continents, I consider
    that moment as a high expression of the international status Nova
    Roma received these days.

    My activities were directed more to the practical things, through
    them, trying to promote Nova Roma at each event I participated or I
    organized.
    I follow the Cultus Deorum Romanorum way and I am sacerdos and
    pontifex of Nova Roma with great respect to Religio Romana and both
    Sacra publica and privata.

    I believe in morality, in ethics and together with my wife, A. Arria
    Carina and my son, T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus we are an honorable
    roman family from Dacia.

    Receiving favorable auspices I come with respect in front of you to
    present my candidacy as censor and to put my time, energy and
    abilities in the our roman community best interests.

    If elected my first interest is to organize next year an exemplary
    census. I will pay attention to the public morality and I will
    fulfill my duties stipulated in the Constitution and laws of Nova
    Roma.

    Thank you.

    VALETE,
    T. Iulius Sabinus



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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58355 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
    Salvete omnes,
     
    I made an announcement in the past days, offering my support to the candidacy of P. Constantinus Placidus for the Censorship. I thought that he was a good candidate, although he hasn't had any previous experience as a magistrate.
    Now, the situation is quite different. Since T. Iulius Sabinus Consul, an outstanding Nova Roman, a cives who is an example of Romanitas for us all, decided to announce his candidacy to the Censorship, I will support him and I invite all the citizens of Nova Roma to vote for Sabinus.
    I already offered my apologies and an explanation to Placidus, in a private message, but I want this to be also known in these public fora.
     
    Valete optime,

    M•IVL•SEVERVS
    PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58356 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Re: Elections: Titus Iulius Sabinus for Censor !
    SALVE ET SALVETE!
     
    Thank you for your nice words and support. I will try to do all of my best if elected.
     
    VALETE,
    IVL SABINVS

    Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
    Salvete Quirites,
     
    I Titus Flavius Aquila with all my heart welcome and support Titus Iulius Sabinus candidacy for censura.
     
    Titus Iulius Sabinus is a hardworking, devoted and knowledgable citizen , who has servered in several magistrate
    positions for our Republic of Nova Roma.
     
    I am absolutely confident that Titus Iulius Sabinus will be an excellent Censor.
     
    I call upon all my friends to vote for Titus Iulius Sabinus .
     
    Titus Iulius Sabinus for Censor !
     
    Titus Flavius Aquila
     
    Tribunus Plebis Nova Roma
    Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania
    Scriba Censoris KFBM
    Collegium sodalitas proDIIS
    Candidatus Quaestor


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    Gesendet: Samstag, den 18. Oktober 2008, 23:20:31 Uhr
    Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Candidate for censura.

    SALVETE!

    Today, 18th of October I celebrate four years in Nova Roma. Four
    years of great satisfactions contributing near all of you in various
    ways to our Roman community daily life improvement and development.
    During that time I served as scriba, accensus, quaestor, aedilis
    curulis, Magna Mater Project coordinator and governor of Dacia since
    2005.
    This year, of the 10th anniversary of Nova Roma, our Gods were
    propitious with me. I was honored to serve as consul near a good
    friend, Marcus Moravius Piscinus. We were able to meet together this
    summer in Dacia and because this was the first meeting in Nova Roma's
    history of both consuls but from two different continents, I consider
    that moment as a high expression of the international status Nova
    Roma received these days.

    My activities were directed more to the practical things, through
    them, trying to promote Nova Roma at each event I participated or I
    organized.
    I follow the Cultus Deorum Romanorum way and I am sacerdos and
    pontifex of Nova Roma with great respect to Religio Romana and both
    Sacra publica and privata.

    I believe in morality, in ethics and together with my wife, A. Arria
    Carina and my son, T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus we are an honorable
    roman family from Dacia.

    Receiving favorable auspices I come with respect in front of you to
    present my candidacy as censor and to put my time, energy and
    abilities in the our roman community best interests.

    If elected my first interest is to organize next year an exemplary
    census. I will pay attention to the public morality and I will
    fulfill my duties stipulated in the Constitution and laws of Nova
    Roma.

    Thank you.

    VALETE,
    T. Iulius Sabinus


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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58357 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-19
    Subject: Sculptors and Architects?
    Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.

    Are there any sculptors in Nova Roma? They could either be of the "chipping away at stone with chisels" or "making it out of malleable clay" types (sorry; I'm not an artist, so I don't if there are different terms for this). I would be interested in speaking with someone to make a handful of small statues for me and/or our oppidum. I don't have much to pay, so maybe a student would be interested in taking on such a project for a little money and the additions to their portfolio.
    Maximas gratias vobis ago.

    --
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    Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
    Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58360 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: Today in Rome: Oct 20, 2008.
    C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,
     
    Today in Rome :
     
    (Julian day : 2 454 760).
     
    A. d. XIII Kalendas Novembres
    MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
    Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio
     
    Day of the week : Lunae dies (Monday).
     
    Lunaris dies: XXII .
    Nundinal letter : E.
     
    Hora ortus Solis : 07:28.
    Hora occasus Solis : 18:19.
    Temp. Min. : 12° C.
    Temp. Max. : 23° C.
    Humidity: 75%
    Wind on Rome : 14 Km/h.
    Weather : More sun than clouds.
     
    Horae diei :
     
    I: 07:28 - 08:13 Iovis hora.
    II: 08:13 - 08:58 Martis hora.
    III: 08:58 - 09:44 Solis hora.
    IV: 09:44 - 10:29 Veneris hora.
    V: 10:29 - 11:14 Mercurii hora.
    VI: 11:14  - 12:00 Lunae hora.
    VII: 12:00- 13:03 Saturni hora.
    VIII: 13:03 - 14:06 Iovis hora.
    IX: 14:06 - 15:09 Martis hora.
    X: 15:09 - 16:12 Solis hora.
    XI: 16:12 - 17:15 Veneris hora.
    XII: 17:15 - 18:19 Mercurii hora.
     
    Horae noctis :
     
    I: 18:19 - 19:16 Lunae hora.
    II: 19:16 - 20:13 Saturni hora.
    III: 20:13 - 21:10 Iovis hora.
    IV: 21:10 - 22:07 Martis hora.
    V: 22:07 - 23:04 Solis hora.
    VI: 23:04 - 00:00 Veneris hora.
    VII: 00:00 - 01:15 Mercurii hora.
    VIII: 01:15 - 02:30 Lunae hora.
    IX: 02:30 -  03:45 Saturni hora.
    X: 03:45 - 05:00 Iovis hora.
    XI: 05:00 - 06:15 Martis hora.
    XII: 06:15 - 07:29 Solis hora.
     
    Hic dies vobis faustus sit.
     
    Valete.
     
    C. Petronius Dexter.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58361 From: marcushoratius Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: a. d. XIII Kalendas Novembris: Battle of Mylae
    M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
    omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Di vos servavissent semper

    Hodie est ante diem XIII Kalendas Novembris; haec dies comitialis est

    AUC 493 / 260 BCE: The Battle of Mylae and the Corvi

    In the early part of the First Punic War Consul Cn. Cornelius was
    given the task of building and training a navy for Rome of 150
    quinqueremes and triremes. This he did, and no sooner had he sailed
    to Sicily with the first 17 ships than he was misled to Lipari. He
    had gone there on the false rumor that the isle was prepared to
    surrender. He sailed into the harbor and was immediately trapped and
    captured, earning him the cognomen of Asina. The remainder of the
    Roman fleet was then placed under the command of the other Consul.

    "As for Gaius Duilius, no sooner had he learnt of the disaster which
    had befallen the commander of the naval forces than handing over his
    legions to the military tribunes he proceeded to the fleet. Learning
    that the enemy were ravaging the territory of Mylae, he sailed
    against them with his whole force. The Carthaginians on sighting him
    put to sea with a hundred and thirty sail, quite overjoyed and eager,
    as they despised the inexperienced Romans. They sailed straight on
    the enemy, not even thinking it worthwhile to maintain order in their
    line of attack, but acted instead just as if they were falling on a
    prey that was obviously theirs. They were commanded by Hannibal —
    the same who stole out of Agrigentum by night with his army — in the
    seven-banked galley that was formerly King Pyrrhus'. On approaching
    and seeing the ravens nodding aloft on the prow of each ship, the
    Carthaginians were at first nonplussed, being surprised at the
    construction of the engines. However, as they entirely gave the enemy
    up for lost, the front ships attacked daringly. But when the ships
    that came into collision were in every case held fast by the
    machines, and the Roman crews boarded by means of the ravens and
    attacked them hand to hand on deck, some of the Carthaginians were
    cut down and others surrendered from dismay at what was happening,
    the battle having become just like a fight on land. So the first
    thirty ships that engaged were taken with all their crews, including
    the commander's galley, Hannibal himself managing to escape beyond
    his hopes by a miracle in the jolly-boat. The rest of the
    Carthaginian force was bearing up as if to charge the enemy, but
    seeing, as they approached, the fate of the advanced ships they
    turned aside and avoided the blows of the engines. Trusting in their
    swiftness, they veered round the enemy in the hope of being able to
    strike him in safety either on the broadside or on the stern, but
    when the ravens swung round and plunged down in all directions and in
    all manner of ways so that those who approached them were of
    necessity grappled, they finally gave way and took to flight, terror-
    stricken by this novel experience and with the loss of fifty ships."
    ~ Polybius 1.23


    Three Romans

    A pious man, Caecilius Metellus was favored by the Gods in victory
    and later went on to serve the Gods still more. Another man disdained
    the Gods, fell in disgrace at his defeat, and was haughty even after
    he was dispelled from office. The third was but a freedman, but one
    who gained fame through his industry and skill.

    AUC 502 - 504 / 251 - 249 BCE

    "Caecilius Metellus fought successfully against the Carthaginians
    (commanded by Hasdrubal) and organized a spectacular triumph, in
    which 13 enemy leaders and 120 elephants were to be seen. Consul
    Claudius Pulcher fought without success against the Carthaginian navy
    after evil omens. He was recalled by the Senate, ordered to appoint a
    dictator, and chose Claudius Glicia, a man of the lowest kind." ~
    Livy Perioche 19.1-2

    "P. Claudius, an impulsive man, consulted the pullarius during the
    First Punic War. On his reporting that the chickens were not eating,
    which is a bad omen, Claudius said, 'Since they won't eat, let them
    drink,' and ordered them thrown into the sea. Soon afterwards he lost
    his fleet off the Aegates islands with great damage to the Republic
    and his own destruction." ~Valerius Maximus 1.4.3


    AUC 512 / 241 BCE

    "When the temple of Vesta was burning, Caecilius Metellus, the
    pontifex maximus, saved the holy objects from the fire." ~ Livy
    Perioche 19.14

    "Pontifex Maximus Caecilius Metellus was on his way to the Tusculum
    district when two ravens flew in his face as though to stop his
    progress and finally forced him to return home. The following night
    the Temple of Vesta caught fire. In the conflagration Metellus seized
    the Palladium in the midst of the flames and saved it in tact." ~
    Valerius Maximus 1.4.5


    "Gaius Furius Chresimus, a freed slave, obtained much greater returns
    from a smallish farm than did his neighbors derive from vast estates.
    As a result he was very unpopular, as if he had been spiriting away
    other people's crops by magic. He was indicted by the curule aedile,
    Spurius Albinus. Afraid that he would be found guilty when the tribes
    had to vote, he brought all of his agricultural implements –
    including his splendidly made iron tools, heavy mattocks and
    ponderous plows – into court. He also produced his farm laborers –
    strong men, and, according to Piso's description, well looked after
    and clothed – and, finally, his well-fed oxen. Then he said, 'These
    are my magic spells, Citizens, and I am not able to exhibit or summon
    as witness my midnight labors, early risings, my sweat and toil.'
    This ensured that he was acquitted by a unanimous vote. Indeed labor
    is essential to farming, and this is the reason behind our
    forefathers' saying that 'on the farm the best fertilizer is the
    owner's eye'." ~ Plinius Secundus H. N. 18.41-43


    Our thought for today comes from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 10.10:

    "A spider is proud when it has caught a fly, and another when he has
    caught a poor hare, and another when he has taken a little fish in a
    net, and another when he has taken wild boars, and another when he
    has taken bears, and another when he has taken Sarmatians. If thou
    examine their opinions are these not robbers?"
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58362 From: Avv. Claudio Guzzo Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] romana or "pagana"?INTRINSIC CONTRADDICTION!

    Salve.

    "libero" sa-mann@...   picusma  on Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:28 pm (PDT)

    wrote:
    (omissis)
    The Religion of Rome, of Rome as a state, as a government, was the "pagan" one.
    Since the Religion of Rome as a state stopped being the pagan one, we indeed had Christian citizens. So why not having christian citizens today?

    But, and this is the point, if Nova Roma is somehow a State with a Government, what is the Religion of this government?

    If it is pagan, it´s a nonsense to be christians and citizens at the same time.

    If it´s not pagan, I don´t see the problem of being a christian citizen.

    Are we speaking about sacra privata or publica?

    This is the point, the only point.

    Gallus Solaris Alexander
    ACC: These questions have had no answers... anyway, during the empire age sacra publica changed: Mithra, Christus and other religiones (cultus of the imperator, etc.) became very important and there were persecutions against ancient cultus. Nova Roma could get the roman (syncretic) spirit of pax deorum by (christian) roman religio now, that's why I think that NR pontifex should be the roman pope (Benedictus XVI).
    Vale
    Appius Claudius Priscus
    ITALIA (Neapolis)
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58363 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
    Valete, amici!

    I annouce my suport to the candidacy of T. Iulius Sabinus for
    Consulship, and invite all the citizens of Nova Roma (specialy from
    Provincia Brasilia) to vote for Sabinus.

    Vale & Valete
    C•ARM•RECCANELLVS•MAIOR
    ======================
    "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58364 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: The Comitia Curiata was convened on 10/03/08. Lictores, perform you
    Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Pontifex S.P.D.

    As Pontifex Maximus, I convened the Comitia Curiata on a.d. V Non.
    Oct. (being 10/03/08); this is one of the dies comitiales or days
    that the comitia can be convened. The function of the Lictores of
    the Comitia Curiata is to witness the proper election of pontifices,
    flamines, and sacerdotes.

    Lictores, perform your task and witness the election and appointment
    of:

    ITEM III: The Collegium Pontificum having met in order to elect a new
    Pontifex Maximus, the decision was to approve Pontifex M. Moravius
    Piscinus Horatianus. He shall take office beginning on AUC MMDCCLXI
    Kalendae Octobrae.

    The vote was one in favor of Q. Caecilius Metellus, three in favor of
    Fl. Galerius Aurelianus, and four in favor of M. Moravius Piscinus.

    ITEM V: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
    application of Sacerdos Mecurialis Titus Iulius Sabinus, the
    unanimous decision was to adlect the Consul as Pontifex.

    The vote was six in favor, none opposed.

    ITEM VI: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
    application of Sacerdos Concordiae Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus the
    decision was to adlect the Legatus pro Praetor Panonniae as Pontifex.

    The vote was five in favor, one opposed.


    ITEM VII: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
    application of Sacerdos Mentis Marca Hortensia Maior Fabiana, the
    decision was to approve her appointment as Flaminica Carmentalis.

    The vote was four in favor, two opposed.


    ITEM VIII: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
    application of Sacerdos Musae Octavianus Titinius, the decision was
    to approve his appointment as Flamen Furrinalis and as Sacerdos
    Dianae.

    The vote was four in favor, one opposed, and one to table.


    ITEM VIIII: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
    application of Gaius Petronius Dexter, the decision was to approve
    his appointment as Flamen Portunalis.

    The vote was four in favor, one opposed, and one abstention.


    ITEM X: The Collegium Pontificum, having met to consider the
    application of Legatus pro Praetor Sarmatiae Marcus Octavius Corvus,
    the decision was to approve his appointment as Sacerdos Iovis.

    The vote was five in favor, one opposed.


    --- In NRComitiaCuriata@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick D. Owen"
    <brotherpaganus@...> wrote:

    Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Pont Max S.P.D.

    After taking the auspices and finding no sign of disfavor from
    I.O.M., I convene the Comitia Curiata of Nova Roma for the purpose of
    recognizing the appointment of the ponitifics, flamines, and
    sacerdotes from the September voting session of the Collegium
    Pontificum.

    Done V Non. Oct. MMDCCLXI A.U.C. (being October 03, 2008 Gregorian)
    in
    the consulship of Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatiaus and Titus Iulius
    Sabinus
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58365 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: Re: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
    > C·ARM·RECCANELLVS wrote:
    > (...) suport the candidacy of T. Iulius Sabinus for Consulship(...)

    Oops!!!!!

    I annouce my suport to the candidacy of T. Iulius Sabinus for
    *Censorship*, and invite all the citizens of Nova Roma (specialy from
    Provincia Brasilia) to vote for Sabinus.

    Sorry, amici!

    Vale & Valete
    C•ARM•RECCANELLVS•MAIOR
    ======================
    "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58366 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: Witnessing appointments of the Collegium Pontificum
    I Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness
    the appointments of M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus as Pontifex
    Maximus; of Titus Iulius Sabinus as Pontifex; of Gnaeus Cornelius
    Lentulus as Pontifex, of Marca Hortensia Maior Fabiana as Flaminica
    Carmentalis; of Octavianus Titinius as Flamen Furrinalis and as
    Sacerdos Dianae; of Gaius Petronius Dexter as Flamen Portunalis; and
    of Marcus Octavius Corvus as Sacerdos Iovis; all religious offices of
    Nova Roma. As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune
    in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.


    CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58367 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: Re: File - language.txt
    Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Moderatoribus omnibusque s.p.d.

    Has this notice been translated into the other languages spoken by those in the Decuria Interpretum? Latin is especially notable by its absence.
    Maximas gratias vobis ago.

    --
    Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
    Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
    Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
    http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



    ----- Original Message ----
    From: "Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:07:49 PM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] File - language.txt


    Nova Roma's official business language is English, and its official ceremonial language is Latin. There are other non-official languages that must be considered as common use languages, due to the international nature of the Nova Roman community. To insure timely posting, write your posts in English, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Latin, Portuguese or Spanish.

    ---------------------------

    El idioma de trabajo de Nova Roma es el Inglés, y su lenguaje ceremonial es el Latín. Hay otros idiomas no oficiales que deben ser considerados de uso común, debido a la naturaleza internacional de la comunidad nova romana. Para asegurar que la publicación inmediata de los mensajes, escriba en Inglés, Francés, Alemán, Húngaro, Italiano, Latín, Portugués o Español.

    -----------------------------

    La lingua ufficiale a Nova Roma é l’Inglese e quella ceremoniale é il Latino. Ci sono altre lingue non ufficiali che devono essere considerate d’uso comune dovuto al carattere internazionale della comunitá nova romana. Per assicurarsi dell’immediata pubblicazione dei messaggi puó scrivere in Inglese, Francese, Tedesco, Ungherese, Italiano, Latino, Portoghese o Spagnolo.

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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58368 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: Re: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
    L. Livia Plauta omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.

    I have to make a similar announcement. I had endorsed Placidus, if not
    here, at least on the italian list.
    But now that T. Iulius Sabinus has candidated himself I can't help
    recommending him.
    I know Sabinus personally and have spent in more than two weeks with
    him this summer.
    So I can testify that, apart from being a very nice person, with a
    high sense of hospitality, he has a very efficient and practical mind,
    he is greatly committed to Nova Roma, and he really embodies all roman
    virtues.


    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL•SEVERVS
    <marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salvete omnes,
    > Â
    > I made an announcement in the past days, offering my support to the
    candidacy of P. Constantinus Placidus for the Censorship. I thought
    that he was a good candidate, although he hasn't had any previous
    experience as a magistrate.
    > Now, the situation is quite different. Since T. Iulius Sabinus
    Consul, an outstanding Nova Roman, a cives who is an example of
    Romanitas for us all, decided to announce his candidacy to the
    Censorship, I will support him and I invite all the citizens of Nova
    Roma to vote for Sabinus.
    > I already offered my apologies and an explanation to Placidus, in a
    private message, but I want this to be also known in these public fora.
    > Â
    > Valete optime,
    >
    > M•IVL•SEVERVS
    > PRÆTOR•NOVÆ•ROMÆ
    >
    > SENATOR
    > PRÆTOR•PROVINCIÆ•MEXICO
    >
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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58369 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: Re: Candidate for censura.
    SALVE ET SALVETE!

    Thank you very much for support and, if elected, for help, very
    necessary as time it come from someone with great experience as censor.
    I'm honored.

    VALETE,
    IVL SABINVS

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Christer Edling <christer.edling@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > Salvete Quirites et Salve Consul!
    >
    > I am happy to endorse You, Titus Iulius Sabinus Consul, in your
    > candiday for the Censura!
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58370 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: Re: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
    SALVE ET SALVETE!

    Thank you Marce Iulii for your fine appreciation and support.

    The same from my part for you and Complutensis!

    VALETE,
    IVL SABINVS

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M•IVL•SEVERVS
    <marcusiuliusseverus@...> wrote:

    Since T. Iulius Sabinus Consul, an outstanding Nova Roman, a cives who
    is an example of Romanitas for us all, decided to announce his
    candidacy to the Censorship, I will support him and I invite all the
    citizens of Nova Roma to vote for Sabinus.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58371 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: Re: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
    SALVE ET SALVETE!

    Thank you, Armini Reccanelle and through you I want to sent my best
    wishes to my Brasilian nova roman co-fellows!

    I use this opportunity to salute Brasilia as member of the Latin Union:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Union#Member_states

    VALETE,
    IVL SABINVS

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS
    <c.arminius.reccanellus@...> wrote:
    >
    > Valete, amici!
    >
    > I annouce my suport to the candidacy of T. Iulius Sabinus for
    > Consulship, and invite all the citizens of Nova Roma (specialy from
    > Provincia Brasilia) to vote for Sabinus.
    >
    > Vale & Valete
    > C•ARM•RECCANELLVS•MAIOR
    > ======================
    > "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58372 From: Maior Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: Re: SABINVS FOR CENSOR
    M. Hortensia Quiritibus spd;
    I had the great pleasure of speaking to Sabinus right after
    this summer's conventus. Not only has he been an active consul and
    sacerdos, accomplishing so much this year but he also is from Europe
    and represents Nova Romans everywhere. With Paulinus from North
    America, I think it important that Nova Roma represent all its cives.
    T. Iulius Sabinus will be a wonderful censor : he will do
    his best for all Nova Romans and the di immortales!
    bene vale in pacem deorum
    M. Hortensia Maior

    Senatrix
    Sacerdos Mentis
    producer "Vox Romana" podcast
    http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Vox_Romana
    >
    > SALVE ET SALVETE!
    >
    > Thank you, Armini Reccanelle and through you I want to sent my
    best
    > wishes to my Brasilian nova roman co-fellows!
    >
    > I use this opportunity to salute Brasilia as member of the Latin
    Union:
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Union#Member_states
    >
    > VALETE,
    > IVL SABINVS
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS
    > <c.arminius.reccanellus@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Valete, amici!
    > >
    > > I annouce my suport to the candidacy of T. Iulius Sabinus for
    > > Consulship, and invite all the citizens of Nova Roma (specialy
    from
    > > Provincia Brasilia) to vote for Sabinus.
    > >
    > > Vale & Valete
    > > C•ARM•RECCANELLVS•MAIOR
    > > ======================
    > > "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58373 From: Teleri Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: [NRComitiaCuriata] Witnessing appointments of the Collegium Pontific

    I , Helena Galeria Aureliana, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness
    the appointments of M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus as Pontifex
    Maximus
    ; of Titus Iulius Sabinus as Pontifex; of Gnaeus Cornelius
    Lentulus
    as Pontifex, of Marca Hortensia Maior Fabiana as Flaminica
    Carmentalis; of Octavianus Titinius as Flamen Furrinalis and as
    Sacerdos Dianae; of Gaius Petronius Dexter as Flamen Portunalis; and
    of Marcus Octavius Corvus as Sacerdos Iovis; all religious offices of
    Nova Roma. As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune
    in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

    Salve bene,

    Helena Galeria


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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58374 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: Re: Witnessing appointments of the Collegium Pontificum
    I, C. Popillius Laenas, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness
    the appointments of M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus as Pontifex
    Maximus; of Titus Iulius Sabinus as Pontifex; of Gnaeus Cornelius
    Lentulus as Pontifex, of Marca Hortensia Maior Fabiana as Flaminica
    Carmentalis; of Octavianus Titinius as Flamen Furrinalis and as
    Sacerdos Dianae; of Gaius Petronius Dexter as Flamen Portunalis; and
    of Marcus Octavius Corvus as Sacerdos Iovis; all religious offices of
    Nova Roma.

    C. Popillius Laenas
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58375 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2008-10-20
    Subject: Witnessing appointments of the Collegium Pontificum

    I , Quintus Servilius Priscus, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness
    the appointments of M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus as Pontifex
    Maximus
    ; of Titus Iulius Sabinus as Pontifex; of Gnaeus Cornelius
    Lentulus
    as Pontifex, of Marca Hortensia Maior Fabiana as Flaminica
    Carmentalis; of Octavianus Titinius as Flamen Furrinalis and as
    Sacerdos Dianae; of Gaius Petronius Dexter as Flamen Portunalis; and
    of Marcus Octavius Corvus as Sacerdos Iovis; all religious offices of
    Nova Roma. As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune
    in their offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

    Salve bene,
    Quintus Servilius Priscus
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58376 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2008-10-21
    Subject: Re: M. Valerius Potitus dons the toga for Quaestor
    Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.

        I know Marcus Valerius Potitus. We are both Aediles Oppidi of Fluminis Gilae. We have known each other a short time, but his dedication to the Republic and the Religio Romana is impressive (see photos on the Fluminis Gilae wiki page). He is an honorable and upright man, and a true Roman. His skill with accountancy would also be a benefit to the Republic. I hereby officially endorse Marcus Valerius Potitus for quaestor in 2762 a.u.c.

        Di vos ament!
     
    --
    Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
    Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
    Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
    http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



    From: Steve Moore <astrobear@...>
    To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 6:39:45 AM
    Subject: [Nova-Roma] M. Valerius Potitus dons the toga for Quaestor

    M. Valerius Potitus omnibus SPD.

    Salvete, omnes.

    For the good of our Res Publica, I don the toga for the office of
    Quaestor.

    I have been an assiduus citizen since May, 2760, and I am currently an
    Aedilis of Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, in the State of Arizona, USA. By
    profession, I am an accountant with a global firm.

    I will bring to the office of Quaestor both skill and passion.

    May we have a temple in Rome!

    Valete.

    Tuta erit vobis Velia.


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    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58377 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2008-10-21
    Subject: Today in Roma: Oct 21, 2008.
    C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,
     
    Today in Rome :
     
    (Julian day : 2 454 761).
     
    A. d. XII Kalendas Novembres
    MMDCCLXI anno Vrbis conditae.
    Coss. M. Moravio T. Iulio
     
    Day of the week : Martis dies (Tuesday).
     
    Lunaris dies: XXIII .
    Nundinal letter : F.
    Nundina (Market day).
     
    Hora ortus Solis : 07:29.
    Hora occasus Solis : 18:18.
    Temp. Min. : 12° C.
    Temp. Max. : 23° C.
    Wind on Rome : 14 Km/h.
    Weather : Morning :Mostly cloudly.Cool.
                       Afternoon: More sun than clouds. Mild.   
     
    Horae diei :
     
    I: 07:28 - 08:14 Veneris hora.
    II: 08:14 - 08:59 Mercurii hora.
    III: 08:59 - 09:44 Lunae hora.
    IV: 09:44 - 10:29 Saturni hora.
    V: 10:29 - 11:14 Iovis hora.
    VI: 11:14 - 12:00 Martis hora.
    VII: 12:00 - 13:03 Solis hora.
    VIII: 13:03 - 14:06 Veneris hora.
    IX: 14:06 - 15:09 Mercurii hora.
    X: 15:09 - 16:12 Lunae hora.
    XI: 16:12  - 17:15 Saturni hora.
    XII: 17:15 - 18:18 Iovis hora.
     
    Horae noctis :
     
    I: 18:18 - 19:15 Martis hora.
    II: 19:15 - 20:12 Solis hora.
    III: 20:12 - 21:09 Veneris hora.
    IV: 21:09 - 22:06 Mercurii hora.
    V: 22:06 - 23:03 Lunae hora.
    VI: 23:03 - 00:00 Saturni hora.
    VII: 00:00 - 01:15 Iovis hora.
    VIII: 01:15 - 02:30 Martis hora.
    IX: 02:30 - 03:45 Solis hora.
    X: 03:45 - 05:00 Veneris hora.
    XI: 05:00 - 06:15 Mercurii hora.
    XII: 06:15 - 07:31 Lunae hora.
     
    Valete.
     
    C. Petronius Dexter.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58378 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-21
    Subject: Re: Women in Nova Roma (was Maximum number of Senators)
    L. Julia Aquila Maiori sal

    Obviously Dexter was being witty and obviously you miscomprehended
    the wit that was returned. "Politically correct" has become a joke in
    these days and times, particularly in these last month just before
    the US presidential elections. A "slap on the wrist" has always been
    a joke; you are a lawyer so you should know this. Please do not
    misinterpret my words as anger as I present this reply with the
    utmost sang-froid. I do not respond in anger as has been
    demonstrated by you so I can foresee why you might perceive this as
    such. However in all fairness you are always reminding citizens they
    are guilty of impinging on "free speech" when you do not uphold the
    right of free speech yourself. As soon as someone utters something
    you do not like you sound a mantra about "free speech", what is Roman
    and what is un-Roman. A mantra that applies to only you and often
    silences people, creates obsequiousness, negates free speech and is
    very un-Roman. One only need look back through the posts, it appears
    as if you lie in wait and are always here watching and waiting to run
    someone else off. I will not say this is your objective but these are
    the observable actions you portray. I see this from no other
    dignified Magistrate.
    I am simply exercising the free speech you continually remind us of.
    *smile*
    Respectfully, you have a tendency to put assertions where there
    aren't any. You assume much. I never asked for an apology, none was
    asked for, nor even mentioned. I do fully recognize your agenda, it
    is very clear.
    I will continue to defend the free speech of others and defend them
    against the cruelty you have displayed on the boards. Again no anger,
    just truth offered with the greatest respect for Nova Roma citizens
    and in defense of those who have been silenced in fear. It is also
    offered with respect for you Maior because your betterment will only
    make Nova Roma a stronger entity.
    If you would like we can continue a dialogue in private email.

    Please do not misunderstand this as being unkind or with malice, I do
    not think that way or act with such emotions. Public figures serve
    themselves well when they listen to those they serve. A public figure
    who utilizes tact, kindness, compassion and diplomacy is a superior
    public leader. That is what is within the heart of true Roman; those
    are the actions of a true Roman.
    I come from a true Roman culture and free speech is part of it. From
    observation it appears that you do not do as you wish others to do.
    You have demonstrated the exact opposite and your actions are
    iniquitous and in contradiction with your words.
    I ask that you please do not put words in my posts that are not there
    or interpret them to your own means. I choose my words carefully so
    the meaning is within the definitions of the words herein posted and
    nothing is left up to emotional interpretation. It does not appear
    that you realize that many times when a citizen attempts free speech
    you are the first one to attack in a provocative way, please excuse
    the harshness of the word attack. But you do this. We all know about
    your education, I have enough confidence in mine that I do not have a
    need to announce it constantly in public to support my statements.
    You have no idea what culture I come from; yet again... you assume
    that you do.
    Further Maior, you speak out of context. It was a well respected and
    very honorable Senator who made mention of the other comments you
    noted. I have friends in Nova Roma, yes, a child, and my esteemed
    cousins; but no boyfriend or spouse here in Nova Roma.
    I am classically trained, highly experienced and highly educated. I
    was raised in the Roman tradition from birth, a defender of those who
    are treated unfairly and whose rights are compromised. In addition
    Roman blood of millennia runs in my veins, moreover my cognomen on my
    birth certificate is Aquila. I uphold Roman values/virtues but not
    the injustices from antiquity or in these modern times.

    Vale,

    L. Julia Aquila




    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
    >
    > Maior Aquilae sal;
    > Dexter was being witty and historical. He doesn't have to
    apologize
    > for anything, censor himself, nor should you even
    mention 'political
    > correctness' This is Nova Roma, we admire and live the ancient
    Roman
    > culture in our daily lives; that's our aim!
    > I'm trying to explain that our culture here is different from
    what
    > you are used to. To be fully Roman is to embrace free speech.
    >
    > As for 'NR needs more women', as my friend Cordus explained to me &
    I
    > agree; we regard that like 'we need more citizens' why? Quality
    takes
    > precedance over quantity.
    > I want citizens who want to live their romanitas.
    > and yes, I know and am encouraging 2 prospective female cives
    to
    > join NR, who love Rome, classics etc on their own, not because
    their
    > boyfriend/spouse is involved.
    > optime vale
    > M.Hortensia Maior
    >
    > >
    > >Salve Dexter!

    P'th! Tsk tsk about the rape with a slap on the wrist, we are in the
    midst of elections let's put forth a little political correctness...
    but I know you meant no harm.

    Actually those are good odds. Approx. 4 males to each woman. I see no
    problem with that actually....

    I do however agree with Modianus, wives and daughters should count
    more. Not certain about how to do such because I have not given it
    much thought but the entire family should count in some way but
    Assidui and citizenship should still be earned through the normal
    channels; paid taxes, probationary period and citizenship exam. In
    ancient Rome women did not have the vote; their paterfamilias did as
    you probably well know. However women were influential and perhaps in
    some NR families they still are with regards to their partner's
    contribution to NR.

    Valé, et valéte

    Julia Aquila

    > >
    >
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 58379 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2008-10-21
    Subject: Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder discovered, maybe
    Salve Lyn,

    You so are deserving of respect and it would be an honor to have you
    join as a citizen, I do hope you reconsider. You are a person of
    strength, fortitude and talent and we need citizens like you.
    I am delighted and honored that you continue to share such news with
    us! I look forward to more!

    Cura ut valeas

    Julia Aquila

    --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lyn Dowling" <ldowling@...> wrote:
    >
    > Salve, Julia, et gratias tibi ago.
    >
    >
    >
    > I am deeply honored by your comments. I scour the Net daily for
    such news
    > and am delighted to share it.
    >
    >
    >
    > Vale,
    >
    > ld
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > _____
    >
    > From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com]
    On Behalf
    > Of L Julia Aquila
    > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:28 PM
    > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Gaius' turn: Site of Caligula's murder
    discovered,
    > maybe
    >
    >
    >
    > Salve Lyn,
    >
    > This is a very good and informative post! I just wanted to say I
    have
    > enjoyed the information you post and have learned a few details I
    may
    > have missed. And yes I do double check as part of my eternally
    > continuing education and I always try to give credit for
    > disagreements between credible scholars.
    > Thank you.
    >
    > Optime vale,
    >
    > Julia Aquila
    >
    > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
    ps.com, "Lyn
    > Dowling" <ldowling@> wrote:
    > >
    > > From the Times:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Richard Owen, in Rome
    > >
    > > Archeologists say that they have found the underground passage in
    > which the
    > > Emperor Caligula was murdered by his own Praetorian Guard to put
    an
    > end to
    > > his deranged reign of terror.
    > >
    > > Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (AD12-AD41), known by his
    > nickname
    > > Caligula (Little Boots), was the third emperor of the Roman
    Empire
    > after
    > > Augustus and Tiberius, and like them a member of the Julio-
    Claudian
    > dynasty.
    > >
    > >
    > > His assassination was the result of a conspiracy by members of
    the
    > Senate
    > > who hoped to restore the Roman Republic. However the Praetorian
    > Guard
    > > declared Caligula's uncle Claudius emperor instead, thus
    preserving
    > the
    > > monarchy.
    > >
    > > Maria Antonietta Tomei, a Rome archeologist, said a cryptoportico
    or
    > > underground corridor discovered beneath the imperial palaces on
    the
    > Palatine
    > > Hill matched exactly the description given by the Rome historian
    > Suetonius,
    > > who says that the Emperor was stabbed to death after watching an
    > > entertainment. He left via the passageway, where the Praetorian
    > Guard led by
    > > its commander, Cassius Chaerea, was lying in wait.
    > >
    > > Professor Tomei said she was "absolutely convinced" that the
    > cryptportico
    > > was the one in which Caligula met his end. Although it bore
    > builders' stamps
    > > from the time of Claudius, it already existed at the time of
    > Caligula, and
    > > had only been restructured by his uncle and successor.
    > >
    > > "It is clear that it was Claudius and not Nero, as commonly
    > thought, who
    > > gave shape to the imperial palace complex on the Palatine Hill,"
    > she said.
    > >
    > > According to Suetonius and the Jewish historian Josephus,
    Caligula's
    > > assassins also stabbed to death his wife, Caesonia, and killed
    > their infant
    > > daughter, Julia Drusilla, by smashing her head against a wall.
    > Caligula's
    > > body was burnt and the ashes interred at the Mausoleum of
    Augustus,
    > which is
    > > still standing near the Tiber. Now a ruin, its tombs were
    ransacked
    > during
    > > the Barbarian invasions of the fifth century.
    > >
    > > Unlike his father Germanicus, a widely admired and upright Roman
    > general,
    > > Caligula became a byword for cruelty, excess, insanity and sexual
    > > perversion. His nickname derived from the fact that as a small
    boy
    > he
    > > dressed up in a miniature uniform while accompanying his father
    on
    > military
    > > campaigns.
    > >
    > > Some scholars maintain that Caligula murdered Tiberius to ensure
    the
    > > succession, or at least ordered his murder. On becoming emperor
    > Caligula was
    > > at first hailed as the son of Germanicus, but his behaviour became
    > > increasingly psychopathic after he fell ill in AD37 and nearly
    > died. He had
    > > all possible opponents, real and imagined - including members of
    > his own
    > > family - banished or killed, and seized their properties.
    > >
    > > He also proclaimed himself a living god. According to Suetonius,
    > Caligula
    > > had incestuous sex with with his sisters Agrippina, Drusilla and
    > Julia
    > > Livilla. He also supposedly tried to confer the title of consul
    on
    > his
    > > favourite horse, Incitatus, who had a stable of marble and a
    collar
    > of
    > > precious stones, and had flakes of gold mixed into his oats. Some
    > historians
    > > have suggested, however, that such stories were embellished or
    even
    > invented
    > > by Caligula's many enemies.
    > >
    >
    >
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