A. Tullia Scholastica C. Juliae Agrippae S.P.D.
 

Salve et Salvete.
I admit I have had my share of disagreements with Scholastica in the past, but I cannot but say that she has been extremely patient and kind at AT, taking a lot of time to explain each error I made (and I'm currently making) while taking GL I.

    ATS:  Thank you very much!  You have made a lot of progress, as have some of the others. Usually the evidence is slower to appear in those who have initial difficulties.

Sometimes... it is only a matter of clearing up what each person involved is trying to convey.

    ATS:  Sí, señora.  


Unfortunately, in my profession I have seen even married couples describing the same event in such a way, that I had to ask them whether they were in the same planet (let alone the same room) when the aforesaid event happened.

    ATS:  LOL!  And as you no doubt know, eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.  


More so when there is no chance of a face to face meeting.

    ATS:  Indeed.


I think we must concentrate in whether each candidate is suited for the position, and has the required skills.

    ATS:  Seems like a good plan to me.  I am at a loss to explain why anyone would think that, for example, moral issues are involved with the selection of Roman names by prospective citizens, or why this hate campaign has arisen.  

 Otherwise we might be making choices out of personal likes or dislikes, instead of concentrating in the candidates' skills for the job, like the ones Scholastica has shown.

    ATS: Yes.  I think that was a compliment; if so, muchas gracias!  


Anyways, just in case, my full support to Severus and Complutensis for Consuls. ¡Adelante, amigos!!.
Optima vale.
Gaia Iulia Agrippa.

Vale, et valete.

----- Original Message -----
 
From:  Titus  Flavius Aquila <mailto:titus.aquila@...>  
 
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:30  PM
 
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Tullia  scholastica
 

 
 
Salve et salvete,
 
 
 
I fully agree !
 
 
 
Vale et valete
 
Titus Flavius Aquila
 
 

---

Von: Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...>
An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 19. November  2008, 21:58:18 Uhr
Betreff:  Re: [Nova-Roma] Tullia scholastica

 
 

Salve et salvete,BASTA et BASTA.At this point ya'all are just acting like a  bunch of school yard bullies trying to get her milk money.How soon we forget  the many contributions she has made to this res publica.Especially in teaching  and promoting our native Latin.Let's for once cut a little slack around here  and move on to the next subject of our restless ire,and try to remember to  think, Romanus summ.

Vale et valete,
Ap.Galerius  Aurelianus

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Marco La Franca <lafrancamarco@ yahoo.it <mailto:lafrancamarco%40yahoo.it> >  wrote:

> From: Marco La Franca <lafrancamarco@  yahoo.it <mailto:lafrancamarco%40yahoo.it> >
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Tullia scholastica
> To:  Nova-Roma@yahoogrou  ps.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 2:29 PM
> Avete  omnes
>
> I dunno much about the matter with Tullia scholastica,  and
> for what she have to apologie for.As well I don't know
> her  as you.
> But I know for sure that since I join NR she Is always
>  present,and she do a great job with her accademy and (for
> me)she is A  vital person for NR.
> As well as each one of you.
>
>  Valete
> M.Apuleius Maritimus
>
>
> Unisciti alla  community di Io fotografo e video, il
> nuovo corso di fotografia di  Gazzetta dello sport:
> http://www.. flickr..com/ groups/iofotogra  foevideo <http://www..flickr.com/groups/iofotografoevideo>


  

 

---

 A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

Aquila Omnibus S.P.D.

Well said and thank you from a citizen who has had quite enough of
this.

    ATS:  I agree completely.  

>Re: Marcus Agricola and Aula Scholastica... those contacts were most
>pleasant and helpful in all cases.  Both of these good people are
>citizens of the highest value to Nova Roma.  We can not easily
>afford to lose either of them.  

    ATS:  Some people want to get rid of me.  

Marcus Agricola has done a masterful
>job as Magister Aranearius.  We must not lose him.  Likewise, Aula
>Scholastica has served well in many official positions, but perhaps
>most especially in her capacity as a teacher of Latin.  Both our
>website and the knowledge of Latin are crucial at this stage of Nova
>Roma's development.

This is the truth and will only serve Nova Roma. I have had only
positive experiences with both Scholastica and Agricola as many
others have.

    ATS:  Thank you.  It’s amazing how people who have never met can come to such conclusions about one another.  


If we intend to realize the vision of Nova Roma then we should, and
Varro I borrow your words,"join together in praise of their
accomplishments and in acknowledgement of the importance of their
work" because "it is imperative in both cases that that work
continue."

>Now both Marcus Agricola and Aula Scholastica are adults.  If they
>have differences perhaps it is best that we all step away from the
>situation and let them work the problems out between themselves.  If
>they require help, they are well able to privately approach mutual
>friends to assist them.

As adults, esp. as Roman citizens, we should have the dignity to step
back and not join in the mob mentality that disgraced these boards in
the past few days.

    ATS:  Indeed.  More colloquially, you said it, sister.  

It is an insult to both Agricola and Scholastica
to not give them the space to work their differences out on their
own.

    ATS:  Frankly, I have had no differences with Agricola until he resurrected this issue and accused me of the one thing no classicist does.  

Those who delight in continuing to light these fires should note
that this does nothing for their public images either and memories
being as they are those instigators also may just as well be
remembered in the future for exaggerations, perpetrating false
information and above all causing interruptions.  

    ATS:  Exactly.  Those who come across as rabid pit bulls and/or convoys of tanks are not doing themselves any favors in the end.  There is a crowd which hates to see anyone accomplish anything, especially their personal enemies, and is bound and determined to prevent anything which might help Nova Roma if someone they don’t like might be the one who got a modicum of praise for doing some good.  By now you can probably figure out who some of these characters are.  


It is time, as citizen Varro offers, to promote unity and growth.

    ATS:  Yes.  

Donec amissum quod habes nescis,

    ATS:  Your Latin has improved greatly.  Verum’st, sed hi tale videre non possunt.  


Valé, et valéte.

Julia Aquila

Vale, et valete.

 
    

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:03 AM, M Martiánius Lupus <mmlupus@...> wrote:

 

We report the voter codes of the citizens that voted outside the time period allotted for their Class:

These elections have been absolutely shambolic. I have no way of knowing if this is an attemtp to rig them or just absolute sheer incompetence but this post in effect says to the first people to read it - Be quick, here's 14 extra votes for you.

It's now absolutely impossible for anyone to have any confidence whatsoever in the results of this election. Not only that but unless these codes are changed then anyone who makes a note of them has 14 extra votes in every forthcoming election.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

A. Tullia Scholastica T. Artoriae Marcellae quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

T. Artoria Marcella S.P.D.
 
First, I thank anyone who has voted, or was planning on voting, for me for Tribune of the Plebs.  You honor me greatly.  That said, I am withdrawing from the race.  And I shall be resigning my citisenship from Nova Roma as well.  

    ATS:  This is very sad.  I hope that you will reconsider, and that the legislation is still in place to allow a nundinum for reflection.  
 
In three years we've had little or no progress, that I can see, in revitalizing the Religio Romana.  In three years I've not seen an election wihout controversy.  This year saw two of our oldest cives driven out of our Republic, and few objected to the process.  

    ATS:  And few objected to other matters of great importance.  


Now, amidst the elections, old wounds between two of our cives are being revisited.  Why?  To what end?  

    ATS:  The usual.  Drive out someone who does some good; get rid of someone with a moral conscience and useful talents so that we look better.  Thwart any accomplishments by your enemies when they have the time and opportunity to act so that everything is snafu.  
 
My fervent hope is that Nova Roma rises about its current state and flourishes in the years to come.  

    ATS: So do I.  
 
Valete optime,
Artoria Marcella

Et tu!  Noli discedere!  

Vale, et valete.  
 
 
      
   Messages in this topic           <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/59477

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:03 AM, M Martiánius Lupus <mmlupus@hawaii. rr.com> wrote:

 

We report the voter codes of the citizens that voted outside the time period allotted for their Class:

These elections have been absolutely shambolic. I have no way of knowing if this is an attemtp to rig them or just absolute sheer incompetence but this post in effect says to the first people to read it - Be quick, here's 14 extra votes for you.

It's now absolutely impossible for anyone to have any confidence whatsoever in the results of this election. Not only that but unless these codes are changed then anyone who makes a note of them has 14 extra votes in every forthcoming election.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

-- 
"Quid fine laboramus," asked the soldier building the road to the border.

Salvete --

While I don't necessarily agree that the elections are being rigged on purpose, I do think that a call for legislation that addresses some of these holes in the system is in order. That, or a clear explanation from someone in the know as to how voter codes are confirmed and if they are indeed cross-checked against username/password combos while being used.

Of course, if there is legislation enacted that addresses the voting system's irregularities, we will need the IT expertise to carry it out, which is another issue altogether.

If someone has already called for similar legislation, consider this a second. And might I add, if Geocities or BBForums can provide polls for users that track whether somebody has already participated, the country of New Rome ought to be able to do the same. We are descended from the group who, after all, referred to the Mediterranean as their own private lake.

Vale et gratis,
- Q. OS



Kirsteen Wright wrote:

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:03 AM, M Martiánius Lupus <mmlupus@hawaii. rr.com> wrote:

 

We report the voter codes of the citizens that voted outside the time period allotted for their Class:

These elections have been absolutely shambolic. I have no way of knowing if this is an attemtp to rig them or just absolute sheer incompetence but this post in effect says to the first people to read it - Be quick, here's 14 extra votes for you.

It's now absolutely impossible for anyone to have any confidence whatsoever in the results of this election. Not only that but unless these codes are changed then anyone who makes a note of them has 14 extra votes in every forthcoming election.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

-- 
"Quid fine laboramus," asked the soldier building the road to the border.

-- 
"Quid fine laboramus," asked the soldier building the road to the border.

> "Vote early. Vote often." seems to be the phrase one could best use
> with the voting system. I just voted, and was surprised to find out
> that I could have submitted votes as many times as I wanted: the system
> does not track whether I've voted, at least not in a way that was
> visible to me.

Salve Sabine,

"Q. Ovidius Sabinus" <quintus.ovidius@ onegecko. com> writes:

> "Vote early. Vote often." seems to be the phrase one could best use
> with the voting system. I just voted, and was surprised to find out
> that I could have submitted votes as many times as I wanted: the system
> does not track whether I've voted, at least not in a way that was
> visible to me.

You can drive down the highway at 100 mph too. Does that mean you're
supposed to?

Nova Roma's cista is designed to accommodate people who use dial-up
connections in all corners of the world. Our laws stipulate that only
the first valid vote received from a given voter code is counted.
Subsequent votes do not count.

What you've been doing is making unnecessary work for our hard working
Diribitores, who have to cross-check every ballot that comes in to see
if it's valid. I'm sure they thank you from the bottoms of their
hearts. Maybe you should think a little more about the consequences
of your actions next time.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

-- 
"Quid fine laboramus," asked the soldier building the road to the border.

> The voting system has no mention that only the first vote counts; there
> is no indicator that my vote was received after the initial
> "confirmation" page; ergo, it appears to a user that a voter could
> submit more than one vote with no consequence. It's a flawed interface,
> whether or not the laws behind it are solid (which is not my intention
> to debate at this time). Fixing this flaw could also limit the stress
> of the Diribitores in terms of ensuring each person only voted once. An
> interface to a computer system should, again, alleviate the stress of
> all users on that system.
>
> I am more than willing to discuss the philosophy of feedback/response
> issues in human-computer interactions, if you'd like, but maybe it
> should be taken off-list. I could even do a task flow analysis of the
> whole thing and send it along as illustration, if that would help.

> Because either the Consul's didn't heed the warning from Octavius

> No wonder Octavius, Agricola and other webmasters start by pulling
> their hair out then quit.>>>

>
> Salve Sabine,
>
> "Q. Ovidius Sabinus" <quintus.ovidius@...> writes:
>

>
> [...] Our laws stipulate that only
> the first valid vote received from a given voter code is counted.
> Subsequent votes do not count.

>
> What you've been doing is making unnecessary work for our hard working
> Diribitores, who have to cross-check every ballot that comes in to see
> if it's valid. I'm sure they thank you from the bottoms of their
> hearts. Maybe you should think a little more about the consequences
> of your actions next time.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

> Quick everyone, let's take these codes and illegally vote with them!
>
> -Annia Minucia Marcella
>

>
> Ave
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Annia Minucia Marcella
> <annia@...> wrote:
> > Quick everyone, let's take these codes and illegally vote with them!
> >
> > -Annia Minucia Marcella
> >
>
> Actually, if I'm reading things right, to get to the Cista, one has to
> login to one's Album Civum page.
>
> So, unless one's password to that is known...
>
> vale - Venator
>

>
> Salve,
>
> I got to the cista without logging in.
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stefn Ullerius Venator

> <famila.ulleria.venii@> wrote:
> >
> > Ave
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Annia Minucia Marcella
> > <annia@> wrote:
> > > Quick everyone, let's take these codes and illegally vote with

> > >
> > > -Annia Minucia Marcella
> > >
> >
> > Actually, if I'm reading things right, to get to the Cista, one

> > login to one's Album Civum page.
> >
> > So, unless one's password to that is known...
> >
> > vale - Venator
> >
>

>
> ---Minucia Minuciae sal
>
> I think you have more time than I do...It did remind me that I have
> to update some info in the Album Civium....but tell me...
>
> did the voter code you used out of the 14 in question go through?
>
> Po
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > I got to the cista without logging in.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Annia Minucia Marcella
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stefn Ullerius Venator
> Piperbarbus"
> > <famila.ulleria.venii@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ave
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Annia Minucia Marcella
> > > <annia@> wrote:
> > > > Quick everyone, let's take these codes and illegally vote

> them!
> > > >
> > > > -Annia Minucia Marcella
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually, if I'm reading things right, to get to the Cista, one
> has to
> > > login to one's Album Civum page.
> > >
> > > So, unless one's password to that is known...
> > >
> > > vale - Venator
> > >
> >
>

> Salve,
>
> I got to the cista without logging in.
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
>

>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Chantal Gaudiano <aerdensrw@>

> >
> > P. Corva A. Minuciae Marcellae s. d.
> >
> > Hallelujah! Is this where the more mellow Nova Romans converse?
> Where do I go to take a look? :)
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> It's not a yahoo list. It's a group on Roman Space, join up! There's
> only 5 members though, so not very active(last I checked).
>
> http://romanspace.ning.com
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "iohannkn" <IohannKn@...> wrote:
>
> There are eight now, I believe.
>
> V.Claud.Ioh.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella"
> <annia@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Chantal Gaudiano <aerdensrw@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > P. Corva A. Minuciae Marcellae s. d.
> > >
> > > Hallelujah! Is this where the more mellow Nova Romans
converse?
> > Where do I go to take a look? :)
> > >
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > It's not a yahoo list. It's a group on Roman Space, join up!
There's
> > only 5 members though, so not very active(last I checked).
> >
> > http://romanspace.ning.com
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Annia Minucia Marcella
> >
>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Q. Valerius Poplicolawrote:
> I must say, both this edict and the subsequent reporting were the two
> stupidest things I've seen here done at Nova Roma since I've joined.

Both followed the Laws as current, I believe.

Believe me, there have been worse.

Vale - Venator

>
> ---Minucia Minuciae sal
>
> I think you have more time than I do...It did remind me that I have
> to update some info in the Album Civium....but tell me...
>
> did the voter code you used out of the 14 in question go through?
>
> Po
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Marcella" <annia@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > I got to the cista without logging in.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Annia Minucia Marcella
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stefn Ullerius Venator
> Piperbarbus"
> > <famila.ulleria.venii@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ave
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Annia Minucia Marcella
> > > <annia@> wrote:
> > > > Quick everyone, let's take these codes and illegally vote with
> them!
> > > >
> > > > -Annia Minucia Marcella
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually, if I'm reading things right, to get to the Cista, one
> has to
> > > login to one's Album Civum page.
> > >
> > > So, unless one's password to that is known...
> > >
> > > vale - Venator
> > >
> >
>

>
> Salve Sabine,
>
> You're right. The interface could be better. But we're limited by
> having unpaid volunteer webmasters operating a site that's still
> custom code in many places (the cista most especially). If you want
> to help them the best way to do so is to write directly to them.
> webmaster at novaroma dot org works quite well.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>
> "Q. Ovidius Sabinus" <quintus.ovidius@...> writes:

On 11/21/08, pompeia_minucia_tiberia <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...> wrote:

This is what the law says:


***Once *cast*, no vote may be altered, even with the correct voter
identification code. Should multiple votes be registered with the same
voter identification code, only the first one *recorded* shall be used
when tallying the vote. ***

Ok, one of those voter codes given out was mine. Yes I wholeheartedly apologise for getting mixed up and voting at the wrong time. that was wholly my own fault.   I have now been and recast my vote but, since only the first one recorded is valid., what assurance do I have that someone hasn't already used that code since it was publicly displayed. how do I know my vote will count at all.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

>
> Salve
>
> ran across this
>
> http://www.haubergs.com/scripts/romanclock.html
>
> very cool roman clock
>
> I am always looking out for things roman so that not all my post are
> in reply to the Fight of the Day here on the ML :-)
>
> vale
>
> Marcus Cornelius Felix
> Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
>

> Salvete amice!
>
> I've just seen the Domus Project site. Cannot find my name (M.Aurelius
> Celsus) in the gens Aurelie list. That's a pity. Couldn't you, folks,
> clarify my presence in the list of my gens, please.

A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Caelio Ahenobarbo S.P.D.
 

Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus A. Tulliae Scholasticae s.p.d.

>ATS:  Several of us, including Agricola and me, have invested
>a lot of time and talents to keep NR and/or its affiliated educational
>arm going.  
 
    The Academia Thules isn't affiliated with Nova Roma, is it?

    ATS:  I am not an expert on the details of the history of the AT or its affiliations, but know that it was founded by Roman citizens and believe that most of its governance is by Roman citizens.  Originally the Sodalitas Latinitas handled educational tasks within Nova Roma, teaching only Latin, so far as I am aware.  Astur’s message announcing the founding of the AT is on the Latinitas list.  

    The AT is affiliated with NR, so far as I know, but is independent.  I believe it has also tried to affiliate with the SVR, though apparently not successfully.   Several faculty members (though perhaps not all) are Roman citizens, the tresviri (main board/founders) are Roman citizens (Quintilianus, Saturninus, and Astur), and others are on the BoD or whatever.  A good many of the students, however, are NOT Roman citizens, and a fair number enter through another portal.  At present, however, all end up at the AT, but some enter via the AT, and some by another means.  

    For details on this, you would have to ask Quintilianus.  



I was under the understanding that those who run the AT are Novi Romani,

    ATS:  Yes, though some may not be, and some faculty are/were not.  Piscinus was on the faculty before he returned to NR.  


but that there is no affiliation between the AT and NR. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be, but...

    ATS:  The affiliation is at arm’s length, but I believe that it is there.  

Optime vale!

Et tu!

--
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com


 

 
 
      
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> >
> > The Academia Thules isn't affiliated with Nova Roma, is it?
> >
> >

>
> On 11/21/08, pompeia_minucia_tiberia <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > This is what the law says:
> >
> >
> > ***Once *cast*, no vote may be altered, even with the correct

> > identification code. Should multiple votes be registered with the

> > voter identification code, only the first one *recorded* shall be

> > when tallying the vote. ***
>
>
> Ok, one of those voter codes given out was mine. Yes I

> apologise for getting mixed up and voting at the wrong time. that

> my own fault. I have now been and recast my vote but, since only

> one recorded is valid., what assurance do I have that someone

> used that code since it was publicly displayed. how do I know my

> count at all.
>
> Flavia Lucilla Merula
>

>
> On 11/21/08, pompeia_minucia_tiberia <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > This is what the law says:
> >
> >
> > ***Once *cast*, no vote may be altered, even with the correct

> > identification code. Should multiple votes be registered with the

> > voter identification code, only the first one *recorded* shall be

> > when tallying the vote. ***
>
>
> Ok, one of those voter codes given out was mine. Yes I

> apologise for getting mixed up and voting at the wrong time. that

> my own fault. I have now been and recast my vote but, since only

> one recorded is valid., what assurance do I have that someone

> used that code since it was publicly displayed. how do I know my

> count at all.
>
> Flavia Lucilla Merula
>

>
> Salve Celse,
>
> M. Aurelius Celsus <nurjik_mukash@...> writes:
>
> > Salvete amice!
> >
> > I've just seen the Domus Project site. Cannot find my name

> > Celsus) in the gens Aurelie list. That's a pity. Couldn't you,

> > clarify my presence in the list of my gens, please.
>
> I just checked the census database, and you're in it. I don't

> the Domus Project has been updated in some time, but you can be

> you actually are in gens Aurelia.
>
> Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

> SOFIA, Bulgaria — Archaeologists have unearthed an elaborately decorated
>1,800-year-old chariot sheathed in bronze at an ancient Thracian tomb in
>southeastern Bulgaria, the head of the excavation said Friday. "The lavishly
>ornamented four-wheel chariot dates back to the end of the second century
>A.D.," Veselin Ignatov told The Associated Press in a telephone interview
>from the site, near the southeastern village of Karanovo.
>
>
>For the rest of the story:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/21/1800-year-old-bronze-char_n_145636.html
> OR
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081122/ap_on_re_eu/eu_bulgaria_ancient_chariot
>
> Vale,
> Vesta
>
>
>

>

>
> I understand that messages are being overlooked unintendedly-even if

>
> If the extention was ignored deliberatedly, I will take it as an

>
> Optime valete
> Titus Flavius Aquila
> Your humble Tribunus Plebis 
>

>
> Salve,
>
> Perhaps you should've listened to my advice then.
>
> Vale,
>
> Annia Minucia Marcella
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila
> <titus.aquila@> wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > I understand that messages are being overlooked unintendedly-even

> published on the NRMagistrates List, the CPT List or the ML -
> everybody runs into these problems from time to time. Although for

> this would be hard to believe, as I do expect from the Webmasters

> be alert especially during election times.But, if this would be
> confirmed by the responsible webmaster I would be willing to accept

> and will ask him kindly to re-open the cista .
> >
> > If the extention was ignored deliberatedly, I will take it as an
> affront against a Tribunus of the Plebeians and I expect that the
> Magistrate will consider measures accordingly.
> >
> > Optime valete
> > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > Your humble Tribunus Plebis 
> >
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
>
> L. Livia Plauta tribuna plebis omnibus S.P.D.
>
> My colleague Aquila didn't bother to consult with me before issuing
> his edict about extending the vote, or he would have known that the
> person who knows how to set up the cista is our colleague Callidus.
>
> Though I have informed him of this, he still keeps issuing orders on
> the main list and on other lists instead of writing to Callidus
> directly.
>
> Of course, this would have required some diplomacy on his part, given
> that Callidus is rightly annoyed by Aquila' habit of demanding things
> rather than requesting them.
>
> Well, Aquila can now experience that the efficiency of this way of
> proceeding is close to zero.
>
> The voting lasted long enough as per law requirement, so I consider
> the Comitia plebis Tributa elections concluded and valid.
>
> Though I didn't approve his extention edict, I didn't veto it, but
> it's not my responsibility if he's unable to have it respected.
>
> If Aquila wants to make himself ridiculous by taking legal action
> against the webmasters, I will stand back and enjoy the show.
>
> Optime valete,
> L. Livia Plauta
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia
> Marcella" <annia@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > Perhaps you should've listened to my advice then.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Annia Minucia Marcella
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila
> > <titus.aquila@> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > I understand that messages are being overlooked unintendedly-even
> if
> > published on the NRMagistrates List, the CPT List or the ML -
> > everybody runs into these problems from time to time. Although for
> me
> > this would be hard to believe, as I do expect from the Webmasters
> to
> > be alert especially during election times.But, if this would be
> > confirmed by the responsible webmaster I would be willing to accept
> it
> > and will ask him kindly to re-open the cista .
> > >
> > > If the extention was ignored deliberatedly, I will take it as an
> > affront against a Tribunus of the Plebeians and I expect that the
> > Magistrate will consider measures accordingly.
> > >
> > > Optime valete
> > > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > > Your humble Tribunus Plebis 
> > >
> >
>

>
> D. Scribonius Severus omnibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> Having been a citizen here for a few years now, I haven't had cause
> all that often to speak my mind on issues at hand, thus I must be a
> new face for many of you. However events of late require that I say
> something.
>
> I will address the broader issue in a moment, but first I would say
> the following regarding what's been raised by L. Livia Plauta: It
> should not be too much to ask, of our magistrates, that they speak to
> (and not 'at') persons affected by their edicts. This would include
> CCing emails to the persons you intend to carry out your edicts, and
> should be simple common sense.
>
> Second, to address the issue of this election and its running as a

>
> In situations where the law, no matter with what good intentions it
> was written, interferes with the ability to ensure an open,
> accountable, and legitimate election process, it is the law that must
> change.
>
> I see here a system of leges that was written to model closely the
> electoral processes of ancient Rome, and seems well-intentioned. But
> it neglects quite often to allow for the different era and state we
> find ourselves in.
>
> This is a web community, with affairs conducted online, over the
> Internet. Though we may wish to think it so, we are not in reality all
> casting calculi into a cista in the forum. We are using web-interfaces
> to file electronic votes, and there are issues and problems that come
> with that fact. Where the leges prevent us from solving these
> problems, they must be altered.
>
> To that end, here is what desperately needs to be changed regarding
> the electoral process.
>
> 1) Candidates should be grouped within the system according to their
> century, and only be permitted to vote as of when their century is
> scheduled to begin voting.
>
> 2) Candidates should only be allowed to vote once per election. This
> is a no-brainer. The system should lock the election for a user who
> has already voted.
>
> 3) Candidates should receive emails confirming their votes with the
> tracking information currently output by the system.
>
> 4) The ballots should be redesigned with the contingencies of an
> electronic ballot system in mind. Clear instructions, clear ways to
> vote Yes, No, or Abstain. And historical accuracy, if that be an
> excuse for keeping the status quo, be damned.
>
> I apologize if the truth of these statements or my tone in delivering
> them may have offend some, but quite simply this cannot be allowed to
> occur again. Each election for which these issues persist is an
> election in which we will lose more citizens, due to drama dogpiling
> when something goes wrong. I'm tired of seeing it happen.
>
> I suggest the senators and magistrates, and the webmaster, work
> together statim to ensure reforms along the lines of those above are
> enacted as soon as possible.
>
> Optime valete,
> D. Scribonius Severus
> Legatus Regio Novae Galliae,
> Scriba Pro Praetore, Canada Citerior
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@> wrote:
> >
> > L. Livia Plauta tribuna plebis omnibus S.P.D.
> >
> > My colleague Aquila didn't bother to consult with me before issuing
> > his edict about extending the vote, or he would have known that the
> > person who knows how to set up the cista is our colleague Callidus.
> >
> > Though I have informed him of this, he still keeps issuing orders on
> > the main list and on other lists instead of writing to Callidus
> > directly.
> >
> > Of course, this would have required some diplomacy on his part, given
> > that Callidus is rightly annoyed by Aquila' habit of demanding things
> > rather than requesting them.
> >
> > Well, Aquila can now experience that the efficiency of this way of
> > proceeding is close to zero.
> >
> > The voting lasted long enough as per law requirement, so I consider
> > the Comitia plebis Tributa elections concluded and valid.
> >
> > Though I didn't approve his extention edict, I didn't veto it, but
> > it's not my responsibility if he's unable to have it respected.
> >
> > If Aquila wants to make himself ridiculous by taking legal action
> > against the webmasters, I will stand back and enjoy the show.
> >
> > Optime valete,
> > L. Livia Plauta
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia
> > Marcella" <annia@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > Perhaps you should've listened to my advice then.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Annia Minucia Marcella
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Titus Flavius Aquila
> > > <titus.aquila@> wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I understand that messages are being overlooked unintendedly-even
> > if
> > > published on the NRMagistrates List, the CPT List or the ML -
> > > everybody runs into these problems from time to time. Although for
> > me
> > > this would be hard to believe, as I do expect from the Webmasters
> > to
> > > be alert especially during election times.But, if this would be
> > > confirmed by the responsible webmaster I would be willing to accept
> > it
> > > and will ask him kindly to re-open the cista .
> > > >
> > > > If the extention was ignored deliberatedly, I will take it as an
> > > affront against a Tribunus of the Plebeians and I expect that the
> > > Magistrate will consider measures accordingly.
> > > >
> > > > Optime valete
> > > > Titus Flavius Aquila
> > > > Your humble Tribunus Plebis 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> Having been a citizen here for a few years now, I haven't had cause
> all that often to speak my mind on issues at hand, thus I must be a
> new face for many of you. However events of late require that I say
> something.
>

>
> In situations where the law, no matter with what good intentions it
> was written, interferes with the ability to ensure an open,
> accountable, and legitimate election process, it is the law that

> change.
>

Aedilis Plebis Publius Constantinus Placidus omnibus civibus SD.

Here, for all of you, is the second batch of questions for the historical quiz "Ipse dixit, part II". The score for this batch is of course the same as for the first batch, posted yesterday.

Please remember that all answers are to be sent privately to me ( ugo.coppola@... ) – not posted on the main NR list.

I would also like to remind everyone that the quiz is, as the heading says, omnis civibus, i.e. aimed to all citizens in all Provinces, not just to the six people who replied up to now! So, come on, fellow citizens – you have a lot of time to join, as the quiz shall be over on midnight of November 30.

Here are the questions for the second batch:

Item #7: Romani eunt domus

a) What's the title of the (modern) work of fiction where the sentence originally appeared?

b) What's the collective name of the autors of the work?

c) What is the meaning given to the sentence (by itself grammatically uncorrect and thus meaningless) within the work?

Item #8: De lana caprina

a) Who wrote the sentence?

b) What's the literal translation of the sentence in English?

c) What's the actual meaning of the sentence?

Item #9: Verba volant, scripta manent

a) Who is the author of the sentence?

b) What's the literal translation of the sentence in English?

c) What's the actual meaning of the sentence?

Item #10: Ab imo pectore

a) Who wrote the sentence?

b) What's the literal translation of the sentence in English?

c) What's the actual meaning of the sentence?

Item #11: Manus manum lavat

a) Who wrote the sentence?

b) What's the literal translation of the sentence in English?

c) What's the actual meaning of the sentence?

Item #12: Summus ius, summa iniuria

a) Who wrote the sentence?

b) What's the literal translation of the sentence in English?

c) What's the actual meaning of the sentence?

Good luck to everyone!

Optime valete,

Publius Constantinus Placidus

> Da: vallenporter <magewuffa@...>
> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Very Cool Roman Clock ( useing Roman #'s!)
> A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Data: Venerdì 21 novembre 2008, 19:30
> Salve
>
> ran across this
>
> http://www.haubergs.com/scripts/romanclock.html
>
> very cool roman clock
>
> I am always looking out for things roman so that not all my
> post are
> in reply to the Fight of the Day here on the ML :-)
>
> vale
>
> Marcus Cornelius Felix
> Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
> Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis

> I was wondering if there were experts in the clothing/hair/makeup
> fields in this group?

>
> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Q. Valerio Callido salutem plurimam dicit
>
> Maximas gratias for all of your hard work. As a simple civis

>
> Optime vale!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Aedilis Oppidi, Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, America Austroccidentalis
> Accensus, cos. M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus et T. Iulius Sabinus
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: os390account <Velaki@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:01:19 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Loss of a Webmaster
>
>
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> My fellow citizens, after much consideration I believe the time has
> come for me to part ways with the administrative body of NR. I
> enjoyed being the webmaster of NovaRoma, but the communication

> on the part of some of the magistrates, their gross dictatorial
> behaviors regarding the performance of my technical duties, and the
> lectures on respect, along with openly impugning my character and
> abilities has left me little choice but to bid farewell to this

>
> My colleagues, Gracchus and Agricola, are excellent people, and

> the magistrate choose to treat them with respect, I'm sure they

> be able to support the website without my help, but as for me, a
> breaking point has been reached. It is a sad occasion when one is
> forced to leave under any circumstances, but more so when it is the
> result of a select few attempting to command from behind the

> and we, as citizens, are the sheep for their wolfish hunger.
>
> For more information, any of you may reach out to me / email me.
>
> Thank you all!
> Q. Valerius Callidus
>

Ex Officio Praetoris Provincia Hispania Novae Romae

Ex hoc, cives C. Cocceius Spinula Procurator Regionis Lusitaniae creo.

Nullum ius iurandum poscetur.

Hoc edictum ilico valet.

Datum sub manibus meas a.d. VII  Kal. Dec. MMDCCLXI A.V.C.

M.Moravio T.Iulio cos.

By this edict, I appoint citizen C. Cocceius Spinula Procurator Regionis Lusitaniae.

No oath shall be demanded.

This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under our hands this 25th day of November 2761 from the founding of Roma during the Consulship of M.Moravius and T. Iulius

Por este edicto, nombro al ciudadano C. Cocceius Spinula Procurator Regionis Lusitaniae.

No se requiere juramento.

Este edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente

Dado a 25 de Noviembre de 2761 desde la fundación de Roma en el Consulado de M.Moravio y T. Iulio

M. Curiatius Complutensis

Praetor

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "os390account" <Velaki@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> My fellow citizens, after much consideration I believe the time has
> come for me to part ways with the administrative body of NR. I
> enjoyed being the webmaster of NovaRoma, but the communication
failure
> on the part of some of the magistrates, their gross dictatorial
> behaviors regarding the performance of my technical duties, and the
> lectures on respect, along with openly impugning my character and
> abilities has left me little choice but to bid farewell to this
position.
>
> My colleagues, Gracchus and Agricola, are excellent people, and
should
> the magistrate choose to treat them with respect, I'm sure they will
> be able to support the website without my help, but as for me, a
> breaking point has been reached. It is a sad occasion when one is
> forced to leave under any circumstances, but more so when it is the
> result of a select few attempting to command from behind the scenes;
> and we, as citizens, are the sheep for their wolfish hunger.
>
> For more information, any of you may reach out to me / email me.
>
> Thank you all!
> Q. Valerius Callidus
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "fauxrari" <drivergirl@...> wrote:
>
> Salve!
>
> I will be a new citizen pending the conclusion of elections and I
> just wanted to express my grattitude at finding and being accepted
> into this group. I discovered Nova-Roma while researching the
proper
> way to drape a toga. I had just made myself a full-sized Republican
> style toga that I had been researching for some time, had spent
many
> hours shopping for fabric, dying fabric and sewing and had no idea
of
> what to do with it when it was all done. I'm only a 5'4" woman (I
do
> have gender-appropriate attire, but this was a childhood dream), so
> it took me a bit of flair to get the 'hang' of it and get it all
> around me, but now (thank you guys very much) I can put it on in a
> flash, complete with a sinus even, that holds my cell phone and car
> keys!
>
> I am very interested in the history of fashion and have taken many
> college level courses in that subject as well as construction,
> draping and fabric manipulation (dying, distressing, etc.). I love
> costuming and have worked on theatrical productions. I am also
> interested in makeup and I've been learning what I can about
> hairstyling.
>
> I was wondering if there were experts in the clothing/hair/makeup
> fields in this group? I didn't see that there was a specific group
> for this topic on the website (I'm still getting to know my way
> around), but I would very much like to learn more about it. In my
> year of scouring book stores, I have only two books on Roman
> clothing. (Maybe I'm not shopping at the right places?) I recently
> saw an interesting program that showed how a draper was able to
take
> the dimensions of one of King Tut's garments to figure out his size
> and how he would have actually looked wearing it. That really
revived
> my interest in Roman clothing and how I could use my skills to
> recreate ancient style, for surely it was more than rectangles and
> draping- just ask the 'Bikini Girl.'
>
> Gratias agere (I'm learning),
>
> Lucia Iunia Brutus
>

>
> Greetings
> I'm still doing research on the clothing. Maybe a new list on the
> subject would be a good idea. I do find that bookstores have limited
> info once you're past the basics.
> Try looking here but give your credit cards to someone else to hold
> for you, this site is very dangerous.
>
> http://www.oxbowbooks.com/home.cfm/Location/DBBC
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "fauxrari" <drivergirl@> wrote:
> >
> > Salve!
> >
> > I will be a new citizen pending the conclusion of elections and I
> > just wanted to express my grattitude at finding and being accepted
> > into this group. I discovered Nova-Roma while researching the
> proper
> > way to drape a toga. I had just made myself a full-sized Republican
> > style toga that I had been researching for some time, had spent
> many
> > hours shopping for fabric, dying fabric and sewing and had no idea
> of
> > what to do with it when it was all done. I'm only a 5'4" woman (I
> do
> > have gender-appropriate attire, but this was a childhood dream), so
> > it took me a bit of flair to get the 'hang' of it and get it all
> > around me, but now (thank you guys very much) I can put it on in a
> > flash, complete with a sinus even, that holds my cell phone and car
> > keys!
> >
> > I am very interested in the history of fashion and have taken many
> > college level courses in that subject as well as construction,
> > draping and fabric manipulation (dying, distressing, etc.). I love
> > costuming and have worked on theatrical productions. I am also
> > interested in makeup and I've been learning what I can about
> > hairstyling.
> >
> > I was wondering if there were experts in the clothing/hair/makeup
> > fields in this group? I didn't see that there was a specific group
> > for this topic on the website (I'm still getting to know my way
> > around), but I would very much like to learn more about it. In my
> > year of scouring book stores, I have only two books on Roman
> > clothing. (Maybe I'm not shopping at the right places?) I recently
> > saw an interesting program that showed how a draper was able to
> take
> > the dimensions of one of King Tut's garments to figure out his size
> > and how he would have actually looked wearing it. That really
> revived
> > my interest in Roman clothing and how I could use my skills to
> > recreate ancient style, for surely it was more than rectangles and
> > draping- just ask the 'Bikini Girl.'
> >
> > Gratias agere (I'm learning),
> >
> > Lucia Iunia Brutus
> >
>