A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus,praesertim lictoribus lictricibus, s.d.
 

Salvete omnes

Ego, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, lictor curiatus Novae Romae testificor C. Popillium Laenam

    ATS:  Please, lictores, correct this to Laenatem.  It’s in the third declension, and declined like Maecenas (Maecenas, Maecenatis, Maecenati, Maecenatem, Maecenate; Laenas, Laenatis, Laenati, Laenatem, Laenate).  


censorem, M. Curiatium Complutensem consulem maiorem, M. Iulium Severum consulem minorem, Cn. Equitium Marinum praetorem maiorem, P. Memmium Albucium praetorem minorem, et Cn. Iulium Caesarem aedilem curulem Novae Romae creari.  Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana felicissime officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.

    ATS:  I’m glad you put the names and the word curulis into the correct cases; some have not.  

 Valete.  
      
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Salve Scholastica,

"A. Tullia Scholastica" <fororom@...> writes:

>> ATS: Please, lictores, correct this to Laenatem. It¹s in the third
>> declension, and declined like Maecenas (Maecenas, Maecenatis, Maecenati,
>> Maecenatem, Maecenate; Laenas, Laenatis, Laenati, Laenatem, Laenate).

While I'm sure your Latin is correct, we are using the formula
provided by the Pontifex Maximus. Since this is essentially a
religious issue, it doesn't matter if the Latin is archaic or just
plain bad. Exact reproduction of the formula is essential.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

I, Paulla Corva Gaudialis, as a lictrix of Nova Roma, hereby
witness the appointments of Gaius Popillius Laenas as Censor, Marcus
Curiatius Complutensis as Consul maior, Marcus Iulius Severus as
Consul minor, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus as Praetor maior, Publius
Memmius Albucius as Praetor minor, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as Aedilis
curulis of Nova Roma. As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them
good fortune in their offices and in their work on behalf of the
Religio Romana.

* * *

Ego, Paulla Corva Gaudialis, lictrix curiata Novae Romae
testificor C. Popillium Laenam censorem, M. Curiatium Complutensem
consulem maiorem, M. Iulium Severum consulem minorem, Cn. Equitius
Marinus praetorem maiorem, P. Memmium Albucium praetorem minorem, et
Cn. Iulium Caesarem aedilem curulis Novae Romae creari. Lictor
(lictrix) Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana
felicissime officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.

Maior Scholasticae spd;
do not correct the lictores, lictrices announcements, the body of
the text is issued by the pontifex maximus and cannot be changed!
This is an important Roman practice that we follow.
M. Hortensia Maior
lictrix

> >
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> > Salvete omnes
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> > Ego, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, lictor curiatus Novae Romae

testificor C.

> > Popillium Laenam
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> > ATS: Please, lictores, correct this to Laenatem. It¹s in

the third

> > declension, and declined like Maecenas (Maecenas, Maecenatis,

Maecenati,

> > Maecenatem, Maecenate; Laenas, Laenatis, Laenati, Laenatem,

Laenate).

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> > censorem, M. Curiatium Complutensem consulem maiorem, M. Iulium

Severum

> > consulem minorem, Cn. Equitium Marinum praetorem maiorem, P.

Memmium Albucium

> > praetorem minorem, et Cn. Iulium Caesarem aedilem curulem Novae

Romae creari.

> > Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana

felicissime

> > officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.
> >
> > ATS: I¹m glad you put the names and the word curulis into

the correct

> > cases; some have not.
> >
> > Valete.
> >
> > Messages in this topic
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/60226;
>

Maior Marino sal;
I know for certain that M. Lucretius Agricola created the
Saturnalia entries. He also told me with dismay that they had been
deleted, I witnessed both events at the time; so Marinus there is no
confusion about the matter.

my friend Agricola made a big effort to remind and educate all cives
about Saturnalia and some coward removed his work.

As I see, no one has come forward to claim the deed, I'll also say
that person should not call him/herself a Roman.
M. Hortensia Maior

>

> sure. Possibly the person who placed it on the calendar in the

first

> place deleted it, or possibly somebody else did. > Vale,
>
> CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
>

Salvete,

I'm just so perturbed about this terrible deed,wondering who could have done this and what nefarious reasoning,would provoke such an act.I shall proceed no further with these thoughts.What is done,is done.What can we do to help restore them.Might we concentrate on that.Where to begin?

Salvete,
Ap.Galerious Aurelianus

--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:

> From: Maior <rory12001@...>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Will the coward who deleted the Saturnalia calendar posts please step forward?
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 12:51 PM
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Salvete Omnes,

Let's just get over it. What's done is done. Someone volunteer to put up some Saturnalia information for next year. I wouldn't mind some Mithra stuff as well. And we could also find a nicer historical quote that encompasses the spirit of the season for all members.

I think we did a good job of not fighting religiously this December(compared to previous years), let's keep on that track. May Concordia continue to bless us with harmony.

Wes thu hal!

Valete
- Annia Minucia Marcella

http://minucia.ciarin.com

Robert Levee wrote:

Salvete,

I'm just so perturbed about this terrible deed,wondering who could have done this and what nefarious reasoning,would provoke such an act.I shall proceed no further with these thoughts.What is done,is done.What can we do to help restore them.Might we concentrate on that.Where to begin?

Salvete,
Ap.Galerious Aurelianus

--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com> wrote:

> From: Maior <rory12001@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Will the coward who deleted the Saturnalia calendar posts please step forward?
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 12:51 PM
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> I know for certain that M. Lucretius Agricola created
> the
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> Saturnalia entries. He also told me with dismay that they
> had been
>
> deleted, I witnessed both events at the time; so Marinus
> there is no
>
> confusion about the matter.
>
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>
> my friend Agricola made a big effort to remind and educate
> all cives
>
> about Saturnalia and some coward removed his work.
>
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> As I see, no one has come forward to claim the deed,
> I'll also say
>
> that person should not call him/herself a Roman.
>
> M. Hortensia Maior
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> calendar in the
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> Vale,
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Plauta Maiori Marinoque S.P.D.

I assure both of you that the current Pontifex Maximus has nothing
against correct Latin grammar. I know this because I discussed this
matter with him both by email and in person. If he hasn't intervened,
it might be because he has a real life to take care of.

In my own lictrix attestation I had written "Laenatem".
I'm sure the gods are forgiving and excuse ignorance, but saying that
they'd PREFER the exact reproduction of a wrong formula seems a bit
far-fetched to me.

Optime valete,
Livia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> Maior Scholasticae spd;
> do not correct the lictores, lictrices announcements, the body
of
> the text is issued by the pontifex maximus and cannot be changed!
> This is an important Roman practice that we follow.
> M. Hortensia Maior
> lictrix
> > >
> > >
> > > Salvete omnes
> > >
> > > Ego, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, lictor curiatus Novae Romae
> testificor C.
> > > Popillium Laenam
> > >
> > > ATS: Please, lictores, correct this to Laenatem. It¹s in
> the third
> > > declension, and declined like Maecenas (Maecenas, Maecenatis,
> Maecenati,
> > > Maecenatem, Maecenate; Laenas, Laenatis, Laenati, Laenatem,
> Laenate).
> > >
> > >
> > > censorem, M. Curiatium Complutensem consulem maiorem, M. Iulium
> Severum
> > > consulem minorem, Cn. Equitium Marinum praetorem maiorem, P.
> Memmium Albucium
> > > praetorem minorem, et Cn. Iulium Caesarem aedilem curulem Novae
> Romae creari.
> > > Lictor Comitiorum Curiatorum eis opto ut pro religione Romana
> felicissime
> > > officiis muneribusque suis fungantur.
> > >
> > > ATS: I¹m glad you put the names and the word curulis into
> the correct
> > > cases; some have not.
> > >
> > > Valete.
> > >
> > > Messages in this topic
> > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/60226;
> >
>

Salvete,

IMO, the gods understand the meaning, no matter the grammar or
language. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure the emails are for the benefit
of us; the gods don't need an email to receive our prayers and witnessing.

We use Latin(along with English or other modern languages) out of
respect to the ancients. In Anglo-Saxon Heathenism(ASH), Old English
is often used along with modern English as well.

I'm sure any entity that would be considered a god is also an
polyglot(or panglot/omniglot?).

Valete,

Annia Minucia Marcella

http://minucia.ciarin.com

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
>
> Plauta Maiori Marinoque S.P.D.
>
> I assure both of you that the current Pontifex Maximus has nothing
> against correct Latin grammar. I know this because I discussed this
> matter with him both by email and in person. If he hasn't intervened,
> it might be because he has a real life to take care of.
>
> In my own lictrix attestation I had written "Laenatem".
> I'm sure the gods are forgiving and excuse ignorance, but saying that
> they'd PREFER the exact reproduction of a wrong formula seems a bit
> far-fetched to me.
>
> Optime valete,
> Livia
>

Salvete,

I am responding to my own post,to acknowledge the mistakes I made on it.Perhaps I was a little upset over the whole situation.Sorry.

Valete,
Ap.Galerius Aurelianus

--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...> wrote:

> From: Robert Levee <galerius_of_rome@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Will the coward who deleted the Saturnalia calendar posts please step forward?
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 10:37 AM
> Salvete,
>
> I'm just so perturbed about this terrible
> deed,wondering who could have done this and what nefarious
> reasoning,would provoke such an act.I shall proceed no
> further with these thoughts.What is done,is done.What can we
> do to help restore them.Might we concentrate on that.Where
> to begin?
>
> Salvete,
> Ap.Galerious Aurelianus
>
> --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Maior <rory12001@...>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Maior <rory12001@...>
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Will the coward who deleted
> the Saturnalia calendar posts please step forward?
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 12:51 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Maior Marino sal;
> >
> > I know for certain that M. Lucretius Agricola
> created
> > the
> >
> > Saturnalia entries. He also told me with dismay that
> they
> > had been
> >
> > deleted, I witnessed both events at the time; so
> Marinus
> > there is no
> >
> > confusion about the matter.
> >
> >
> >
> > my friend Agricola made a big effort to remind and
> educate
> > all cives
> >
> > about Saturnalia and some coward removed his work.
> >
> >
> >
> > As I see, no one has come forward to claim the deed,
> > I'll also say
> >
> > that person should not call him/herself a Roman.
> >
> > M. Hortensia Maior
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > > sure. Possibly the person who placed it on the
> > calendar in the
> >
> > first
> >
> > > place deleted it, or possibly somebody else did.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > >
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Salve Minucia,

>
> IMO, the gods understand the meaning, no matter the grammar or
> language. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure the emails are for the

benefit

> of us; the gods don't need an email to receive our prayers and

witnessing.

>

well, if the emails are for our own benefit they should be in correct
Latin. I don't see how incorrect Latin would benefit us.
But the argument given was that they are religious formulae, so they
are kind of statements made before the gods.

> I'm sure any entity that would be considered a god is also an
> polyglot(or panglot/omniglot?).
>

I'm polyglot too (though not panglot), but mistakes in any language
still annoy me and I try to avoid them as much as I can. Gods are
notoriously fussy about ceremonies and formalities. Why should they
be less so in regard to language?

Optime vale,
Livia

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C. Popillium Laenatem censorem,
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Cn. Equitius Marinus praetorem maiorem, P. Memmium Albucium praetorem minorem,
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Compitalia

Origin of the Compitalia

"After Tullius had surrounded the seven hills with one wall, he
divided the city into four regions, which he named after the hills,
calling the first the Palatine, the second the Suburan, the third the
Colline, and the fourth the Esquiline region; and by this means he
made the city contain four tribes, whereas it previously had
consisted of but three. And he ordered that the citizens inhabiting
each of the four regions should, like persons living in villages,
neither take up another abode nor be enrolled elsewhere; and the
levies of troops, the collection of taxes for military purposes, and
the other services which every citizen was bound to offer to the
commonwealth, he no longer based upon the three national tribes, as
aforetime, but upon the four local tribes established by himself. And
over each region he appointed commanders, like heads of tribes or
villages, whom he ordered to know what house each man lived in.
After this he commanded that there should be erected in every street
by the inhabitants of the neighborhood chapels to heroes (Lares
Compitales) whose statues stood in front of the houses, and he made a
law that sacrifices should be performed to them every year, each
family contributing a honey-cake. He directed also that the persons
attending and assisting those who performed the sacrifices at these
shrines on behalf of the neighborhood should not be free men, but
slaves, the ministry of servants being looked upon as pleasing to the
heroes. This festival the Romans still continued to celebrate even
in my day in the most solemn and sumptuous manner a few days after
the Saturnalia, calling it the Compitalia, after the streets; for
compiti, is their name for streets. And they still observe the
ancient custom in connection with those sacrifices, propitiating the
heroes by the ministry of their servants, and during these days
removing every badge of their servitude, in order that the slaves,
being softened by this instance of humanity, which has something
great and solemn about it, may make themselves more agreeable to
their masters and be less sensible of the severity of their
condition." ~ Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities 4.14


The Compitalia was not "feriae stativa" with a fixed date. The Urban
Praetor would designate a date for its celebration at some time
between Saturnalia (17 Dec.) and the Nones of January (5 Jan.).
Dionysius is not correct here in saying that slaves in particular
were put in charge of these rites. They certainly were not banned
from them either as at other festivals. In the countryside similar
rites were held, often conducted by the vilici of estates, who might
be slaves, freedmen, or unpropertied free-born. One feature of the
Compitalia had slaves put aside the emblems that designated their
masters, but did not include role reversal as occurred with
Saturnalia. Another custom of Compitalia, told to us by Festus, was
that on the eve of Compitalia woollen balls were hung up for each
slave in an household and wooden dolls for each free person.
Compitalia recognized slaves alongside free citizens as neighbors, in
one sense, but still maintained a distinction between these social
classes.


AUC 616 / 137 BCE: The War in Spain: Manicius and the sacred chickens

"When consul Gaius Hostilius Manicius wanted to sacrifice, the
chickens flew out of the coop, and when he boarded his ship to sail
to Hispania, a voice was heard that said "Stay, Manicius!" This was
a bad omen, as was shown by the events, for he was not only defeated
but also expelled from his camp, and when he despaired of saving his
army, he concluded an ignominious peace treaty, which the Senate
refused to ratify. Forty thousand Romans had been defeated by four
thousand Numantines." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 55.6-9

AUC 620 / 133 BCE: The War in Spain: Scipio Aemilianus takes command

"Scipio Africanus [Aemilianus] besieged Numantia and restored the
strictest discipline in an army that was corrupted by license and
luxury. He forbade all tools of pleasure, expelled two thousand
prostitutes from the camp, made the soldiers work every day, and
ordered them to carry thirty days of food and seven stakes. To a man
who carried it with difficulty, he said: "when you know how to make a
wall from a sword, you can stop carrying the wall"; and to one who
had difficulty with his shield, he said "although you are carrying a
shield that is larger than prescribed, I don't blame you, because you
know better how to manage a shield than to manage a sword". When a
soldier was seen out of ranks, he had him beaten with vines when he
was a Roman, or with rods if he was a foreigner. He sold all
animals, so that they might not relieve the soldiers from their
loads. He frequently fought successfully against enemy sallies.
When the Vaccaeans were besieged, they massacred their children and
wives and killed themselves." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 57.1-7

"Forced by starvation, the Numantines ran one another through and
massacred themselves, and Scipio Africanus [Aemilianus] sacked the
captured city, and celebrated a triumph in the fourteenth year after
the destruction of Carthage." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 59.1


The thought for today comes from the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius,
6.51:

"He who loves fame considers another man's activity to be his own
good; and he who loves pleasure, his own sensations; but he who has
understanding, considers his own acts to be his own good."

I, Helena Galeria Aureliana, as a Lictor of Nova Roma, hereby witness
the appointments of Gaius Popillius Laenas as Censor, Marcus Curiatius
Complutensis as Consul maior, Marcus Iulius Severus as Consul minor,
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus as Praetor maior, Publius Memmius Albucius as
Praetor minor, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as Aedilis curulis of Nova Roma.

As a member of the Comitia Curiata I wish them good fortune in their
offices and in their work on behalf of the Religio Romana.

Salve Marcus!

You have spoken well and I'm certain you have much to contribute to
Nova Roma. It is important to remember that while Ancient Rome was a
plurality of peoples- Nova Roma is not necessarily so. It is *not*
an easy road here though and it takes more than good intentions to
get by- some tenacity helps as well in the face of this sort of
thing:

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:

> I sugget you pick up a general book on Roman religion, ...

> which will help you understand and appreciate how Republican Roman
> culture and the religio are one.

The SPQR proper would disagree strongly with that point of view! Not
so much here. Though the more we actualize Roma here the more it
will become so, and the "Whale-kissing moon-maidens" (w/ apologies
to the Simpsons) will hold less sway over what is essentially a
patriarchical though pluralistic culture and logically, it's
resurgence.

Vale optime amice,

L. Fidelius Graecus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Mark Waldenberger
<ghosthunter01@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes!
> I am new to Nova Roma and not yet a citizen however I feel that
perhaps
> my point of view based upon what my e-mail box has been bombarded
with
> lately would be helpful. I joined Nova Roma because I thought that
it
> would be an interesting experiment and allow me to interact with
others
> who share a love of Rome and its history. I hoped to make contact
with
> Roman military reenactors specifically but I tried to keep and
open mind
> about everything. I have made some connections with interesting
people
> in the areas I mentioned and plan on keeping up with them and
pursuing
> more with them but I am rapidly being turned off by what I can
only
> categorize as religious in-fighting.
> Let's see if I can get this right. You have the die-hard Pagan
segment
> of the community who seems to me anyway to take offense to just
about
> anything and everything that sees things differently than they do.
As a
> person whose ancestors were animists and saw the wonder of the
divine
> creator in everything around us, how exactly does that work?
Aren't
> Pagans supposed to see the interconnections of all things and how
one
> works off the other and how the parts make up the whole? All I
have seen
> so far are some very vocal persons proclaiming themselves to be
Pagans
> who are too easily offended by thoughts and words that ought not
give
> them pause at all and certainly should not initiate the kind of
venom
> and back and forth that has been going on for far too long. Why am
I
> bringing this up? Who am I to say such things to members of this
> community? I am a prospective member whose e-mail is filled daily
with
> this nonsense and I am tired of it so take what I say here for
what it
> is worth to you because this is what people such as myself are
seeing
> and it really doesn't instill a lot of trust in membership being
> anything else than a battle of egos between one side and another.
> I consider myself to be a Christian albeit a non practicing one in
the
> sense that I do not attend any established church.so I will
preface my
> last few lines with that. I do not care if you are a Pagan, a
Buddhist,
> a Muslim, a Hindi, a Sikh, a Christian or any other religion as
long as
> you deal fairly with me and speak to me as a person. Come to me
with
> open hands and an open heart as equals and we will have the
foundation
> for understanding. Come to me with a chip on your shoulder and a
closed
> fist and we will soon have a fight. I believe that all religions
of our
> world have a piece of the puzzle, a part of the grand mystery that
> connects us all. The reason we have been unable to find answers to
the
> questions that man has asked since he first pondered his own
existence
> is because we are excellent at and more than willing to drive
wedges
> between us that keep us separated and divided. Think how much more
happy
> we would all be and the potential knowledge we could gain if we
would
> all just give up on maintaining what sets us apart and
concentrated on
> what brings us together.
> I am no man of the clergy, just a simple man and a student of
history.
> Man is the only creature who possesses such great capacity for
love and
> respect of his fellow men and women and yet has such a high
tolerance
> for evil and hatred at the same time. If the Pagans want to be
here
> because they enjoy celebrating the holidays of the ancient Roman
cults
> and religions then I wish them the most fulfilling holidays and
offering
> days that can be wished for. I bear them no ill will and I would
hope
> that they would respond in kind. Whether you see God or the Divine
> Creator, the grand architect or the well from which intelligent
design
> springs forth should not set us apart. We have enough to do that
> already. For myself, I choose to celebrate the perceived,
invented,
> contrived or accepted date of the birth of a child who brought
such
> great peace to a world that desperately needed it. Through him and
those
> who teach the lessons he gave to us, I am a better person. It does
not
> matter if he was the Messiah, a profit or just a man. His life
made a
> profound impact that is still talked about and related each year
at this
> time. I can only hope that something I do in my life will impact
people
> in a manner like he did and if I can relieve the suffering or pain
of
> one person, help people who differ in opinions to see a common
ground or
> just heal a wound between friends, then I will have done something
to
> put those teachings into practice and make the world a better
place for
> everyone.
> The beauty of that is that you need not profess to be a Pagan or a
> Christian or a Muslim or a Jew to do it, you just do it. Kindness
and
> understanding know no boundries of faith, they simply require that
you
> make an effort. I hope that through this posting, I am doing my
small
> part while advancing the Nova Roma community in a positive way.
>
>
> Di vos incolumes custodiant!
>
> pacis of Deus quod obduco totus intelligendo servo vestri pectus
> pectoris quod mens per fides in Sarcalogos Jesus. Amen.
>

Salve

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...>
wrote:

>
> Plauta Graeco sal.
>
> I'm not a specialist of the byzantine period, but I do know that
> bishops had secular powers in their dioceses at the time.
> As I said in my previous post, I'm not 100% sure that I didn't
> confuse St. John Chrisostom with some other saint of the time.

It does not require any more specialization than the use of the
google search engine or wikipedia. And this, in an apparent quest to
determine which "Christian Saint" is the killer of gentiles. I would
clarify that it is not a Christian practice to canonize murderers!

> However I do think that it was him

Incorrect, by any stretch of logic. Some of his sermons are claimed
to be anti-semetic- which would be a huge twist from a "killer of
gentiles" and it's fairly reasonable to posit that his sermons were
not specifically against Jews but Judaizers- prosteltyzers who
attempted to convert Christians into Jews.

> I surely didn't expect anyone to be so naive as to think that by
> saying he was personally responsible for the killings I meant that

he

> actually went around with a sword and single-handedly killed all
> those people. As a state functionary he just needed to give the

order.

I understood that with a broad stroke you attempted to ascribe some
taint of murder to him- but none exists.

> I find it weird that Christians react so defensively every time
> someone mentions one of the many bloody chapters of their

religion's

> history.
> The Spanish inquisition, the many massacres of heretics and pagans

in

> the past, don't mean that Christians today are bad people, nor

that

> they have anything to do with those crimes or condone them.

We are not bad people, but I assure you bad people of every
religious stripe have always existed. Hitler was a neopagan and I
would not associate with the likes of him and I am here because I
don't think him exempliary of any pagan. However, to condense 1700
years of human history into a single description is extremely simple-
minded in terms of history. What I react to is Roman history, of
which St. John Chrystostom (writer of the Liturgy by which I
worship) is part of. What happened in the middle ages in Western
Europe at the hands of madmen has nothing to do with my religion.

> In fact, I believe that most Christians are good people, because

most

> people are good.

Now there is an article of faith if I've ever heard one. :-) And out
of compassion, I won't dispute it.

> We Religio pratictioners know that Romans carried out quite a few
> massacres in history, during conquest, and sometimes for religious
> reasons, like when they exterminated the druids.

Or Christians? Lit as torches for Nero's amusement. I won't belabor
the point with a list of Roman nastiness that was often political.
Or anyone's nastiness for that matter.

> But mentioning these things doesn't put us into self-defense mode,
> nor do we feel the need to deny historical evidence. These facts

are

> routinely mentioned in all sorts of public debates, from here in

NR,

> to History Channel documentaries, and they never stir up any
> overreaction.

Because there are so few practicing Christians left here that would
have any reason to be offended. Luckily for the concordia aspirants,
I am one, and Roman as well by birth and religion.

> Optime vale,
> Livia

Optime vale,

Graecus

Salve Graece

> It does not require any more specialization than the use of the
> google search engine or wikipedia. And this, in an apparent quest

to

> determine which "Christian Saint" is the killer of gentiles. I

would

> clarify that it is not a Christian practice to canonize murderers!
>

I'm not very interested in that period, and I'm currently a guest at
my mother's place with a 12-year old computer and dial-up internet.
With this set-up, anything done on the internet takes five times as
long as normal, so I'm not going to waste more time on this thread.

On the other hand, if you have time to waste, a google search will
show you that, while it may be no longer the practice now, for many
centuries it has been common for the Church to canonize murderers.
If you want to waste less time you may follow the links from the
English section of the www.ysee.gr website.

> We are not bad people, but I assure you bad people of every
> religious stripe have always existed.

That's what I said before, and of course I agree with the second part
of the sentence too.

>Hitler was a neopagan

This is an urban legend, just like the one that he was atheist. The
only book he wrote about himself does not support either theory.

See, I've said it before:
"In fact, I believe that most Christians are good people, because
most people are good."

And you argued:
"Now there is an article of faith if I've ever heard one. :-) And out
of compassion, I won't dispute it."

For me it's a matter of experience, not faith. Of course if you hold
people up to impossible standards of holiness, you'll be disappointed
when they are just plain simple good, as normal people are, while
having to compromise with the exigencies of self-preservation.
I just expect people to be quite good, most of the time, not
perfectly good, and all of the time. And, guess what? I'm rarely
disappointed.

In fact, this is one of the main philosophical differences between
Pagans and Christians: we don't think humanity is bad from scratch
and needs to be "saved".
No "original sin", no guilt feelings to breed monsters on.

> Because there are so few practicing Christians left here that would
> have any reason to be offended. Luckily for the concordia

aspirants,

> I am one, and Roman as well by birth and religion.
>

Please, wake up! My point was that we Pagans are not offended and
don't feel the need of denying historical evidence every time the
bloody deeds of our pagan ancestors are mentioned, so Christians
should try not to overreact either, whenever one of the many sins of
the Church is mentioned.

Ah, and if you are Roman by birth, like me, we can surely continue
this discussion in Italian, though I confess I'd rather not continue
it at all.

Optime vale,
Livia

Salve Plautae Graecoque;
I'm not interested in that period either so I have nothing to add.
But an interesting discussion could be had over Ancient Rome's
culture and treatment of various culti.
Unless the state felt threatened as in the case of the
Bacchanalia, Rome was extremely tolerant. The state didn't care if
Mithraists prayed to Syria Dea or if Jews became polytheists or visa
versa. Your cultus was essentially a private matter, which I find
very civilized.
optime vale
M. Hortensia Maior

> >
> I'm not very interested in that period, and I'm currently a guest

at

> my mother's place with a 12-year old computer and dial-up internet.
> With this set-up, anything done on the internet takes five times as
> long as normal, so I'm not going to waste more time on this thread.
>
> On the other hand, if you have time to waste, a google search will
> show you that, while it may be no longer the practice now, for many
> centuries it has been common for the Church to canonize murderers.
> If you want to waste less time you may follow the links from the
> English section of the www.ysee.gr website.
>
>
> > We are not bad people, but I assure you bad people of every
> > religious stripe have always existed.
>
> That's what I said before, and of course I agree with the second

part

> of the sentence too.
>
> >Hitler was a neopagan
>
> This is an urban legend, just like the one that he was atheist. The
> only book he wrote about himself does not support either theory.
>
> See, I've said it before:
> "In fact, I believe that most Christians are good people, because
> most people are good."
>
> And you argued:
> "Now there is an article of faith if I've ever heard one. :-) And

out

> of compassion, I won't dispute it."
>
> For me it's a matter of experience, not faith. Of course if you

hold

> people up to impossible standards of holiness, you'll be

disappointed

> when they are just plain simple good, as normal people are, while
> having to compromise with the exigencies of self-preservation.
> I just expect people to be quite good, most of the time, not
> perfectly good, and all of the time. And, guess what? I'm rarely
> disappointed.
>
> In fact, this is one of the main philosophical differences between
> Pagans and Christians: we don't think humanity is bad from scratch
> and needs to be "saved".
> No "original sin", no guilt feelings to breed monsters on.
>
> > Because there are so few practicing Christians left here that

would

> > have any reason to be offended. Luckily for the concordia
> aspirants,
> > I am one, and Roman as well by birth and religion.
> >
> Please, wake up! My point was that we Pagans are not offended and
> don't feel the need of denying historical evidence every time the
> bloody deeds of our pagan ancestors are mentioned, so Christians
> should try not to overreact either, whenever one of the many sins

of

> the Church is mentioned.
>
> Ah, and if you are Roman by birth, like me, we can surely continue
> this discussion in Italian, though I confess I'd rather not

continue

> it at all.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Bonam habete Fortunam

Hodie est ante diem III Kalendas Ianuaras; haec dies comitialis est:

"O Jupiter Capitolinus, and Mars Gradivus, author and stay of the
Roman name, Vesta, guardian of the eternal fire, and all other
divinities who have exalted this great empire of Rome to the highest
point yet reached on earth! On you I call, and to you I pray in the
name of this people: guard, preserve, protect the present state of
things, the peace which we enjoy, the present emperor (Augustus), and
when he has filled his post of duty — and may it be the longest
granted to mortals — grant him successors until the latest time, but
successors whose shoulders may be as capable of sustaining bravely
the empire of the world as we have found his to be: foster the pious
plans of all good citizens and crush the impious designs of the
wicked." ~ Vellius Paterculus 2.131

AUC 714 / 39 BCE: Birth of Emperor Titus (Titus Flavius Vespasianus).

"Titus, of the same surname as his father, was the delight and
darling of the human race; such surpassing ability had he, by nature,
art, or good fortune, to win the affections of all men, and that,
too, which is no easy task, while he was emperor; for as a private
citizen, and even during his father's rule, he did not escape hatred,
much less public criticism. He was born on the third day before the
Kalends of January, in the year memorable for the death of Gaius, in
a mean house near the Septizonium and in a very small dark room
besides; for it still remains and is on exhibition." ~ Suetonius, De
Vita XII Caesarum, Life of Titus 1

"TITUS, who was also called Vespasian, a man remarkable for every
species of virtue, so that he was styled the favourite and delight of
mankind. He was extremely eloquent, warlike, and temperate; he
pleaded causes in Latin, and composed poems and tragedies in Greek.
At the siege of Jerusalem, while serving under his father, he killed
twelve of the besieged with wounds from as many arrows. During his
government at Rome, such was his lenity towards the citizens, that he
did not punish a single person; and even some that were convicted of
a conspiracy against himself he released, and treated them on the
same terms of intimacy as before. Such was his good-nature and
generosity, that he never refused any thing to any one, and being
blamed by his friends on this account, replied, that no one ought to
leave an emperor in discontent. Hence, having recollected once at
supper, that he had conferred no obligation on any one that day, he
exclaimed: 'O, my friends! I have lost this day!'" ~ Eutropius,
Historiae Romanae Breviarium 7.21


Our thought for today comes from the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius,
10.2

"Observe what your nature requires. So far as you are governed by
Nature only: then do it and accept it, if your nature, so far as you
are a living being, shall not be made worse by it. And next you must
observe what your nature requires so far as you are a living being.
And all this you may allow yourself, if your nature, so far as you
are a rational animal, shall not be made worse by it."

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Ave Plauta.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...>
wrote:

> > It does not require any more specialization than the use of the
> > google search engine or wikipedia. And this, in an apparent quest
> to
> > determine which "Christian Saint" is the killer of gentiles. I
> would
> > clarify that it is not a Christian practice to canonize murderers!
> >
> I'm not very interested in that period, and I'm currently a guest

at

> my mother's place with a 12-year old computer and dial-up internet.
> With this set-up, anything done on the internet takes five times as
> long as normal, so I'm not going to waste more time on this thread.

Well, that was your description to call it Byzantine, a term coined
by post-medieval French historians. It's only a term of convenience
but the Roman Imperial age ended in 1453, so it is Roman. It is also
considerably important in that an awareness of that period shows that
with the fall of the city of Rome, there was a secular vacuum taken
up by clerical authority. The political evils beyond then were done
by men in the Christian Church though this does not constitute
Christianity or particularly, "Saintliness." ... I won't bore you
with the techology that delivers this message however.

> On the other hand, if you have time to waste, a google search will
> show you that, while it may be no longer the practice now, for many
> centuries it has been common for the Church to canonize murderers.
> If you want to waste less time you may follow the links from the
> English section of the www.ysee.gr website.

Not that much time! The website you quote is overpuffed propaganda in
my opinion- and isn't historical scholarship by any measure. I
suspected that's where your views on Christianity may have developed
since it plays so loose with the facts of history. I would not be
surprised that there is a murderer to be found in the many thousands
of Saints canonized by every denomination of Christianity ancient and
modern but your point of view is abundantly clear to me. I wouldn't
drag the forum down with the request that you name anyone
specifically- this isn't the place for extended discussions of this
kind but as most would realize, I don't need to. I only meant to
clarify a gross historical error here.

> >Hitler was a neopagan
>
> This is an urban legend, just like the one that he was atheist. The
> only book he wrote about himself does not support either theory.

I'd hoped to say more on that, but of course not too much. The
description I used was not specific but from the documentation, he
supported a cult of personality, since he did institute a prayer to
himself, among other things. The urban legend was that he was
Christian- something easily disproven once Nazism had taken hold.

> See, I've said it before:
> "In fact, I believe that most Christians are good people, because
> most people are good."
>
> And you argued:
> "Now there is an article of faith if I've ever heard one. :-) And

out

> of compassion, I won't dispute it."
>
> For me it's a matter of experience, not faith. Of course if you

hold

> people up to impossible standards of holiness, you'll be

disappointed

> when they are just plain simple good, as normal people are, while
> having to compromise with the exigencies of self-preservation.
> I just expect people to be quite good, most of the time, not
> perfectly good, and all of the time. And, guess what? I'm rarely
> disappointed.

What I might dispute is that most people are good. However, I like
that people believe that they are- I am an ardent supporter of
hopefulness. That was all.

> In fact, this is one of the main philosophical differences between
> Pagans and Christians: we don't think humanity is bad from scratch
> and needs to be "saved".
> No "original sin", no guilt feelings to breed monsters on.

I don't think you understand Christianity- mostly because you do not
care to in my opinion. That is fine with me as is whether you
are "saved" or not. It's not a non-Christian view either.

> > Because there are so few practicing Christians left here that

would

> > have any reason to be offended. Luckily for the concordia
> aspirants,
> > I am one, and Roman as well by birth and religion.
> >
> Please, wake up! My point was that we Pagans are not offended and
> don't feel the need of denying historical evidence every time the
> bloody deeds of our pagan ancestors are mentioned, so Christians
> should try not to overreact either, whenever one of the many sins

of

> the Church is mentioned.

You are publishing a fiction in a public forum- with the saving grace
of "at least I think so"- you presented no historical evidence of any
kind at any point. I reply in correction because I am telling the
truth about a religious figure important to me. The only "sin" here
is historical ignorance- however you might justify it to yourself.
St. John Chrysostom was never a murdered of gentiles as you stated-
you were wrong. I leave any further reactions (or overreactions) to
you.

> Ah, and if you are Roman by birth, like me, we can surely continue
> this discussion in Italian, though I confess I'd rather not

continue

> it at all.

I am not Italian, nor born in the city of Rome. I am a Greek and an
American. But the history lesson on the Romaoi is long over-
especially at these prices. :) And for what? My point has been made.

Valete omnes,

L. Fidelius Graecus

Avete Colleagues and Colleagues to be;

I am currently the "Owner" of the working group for the Electoral
Magistrates of Nova Roma.

Please, email me at venator.nr.official@... with "Electoral
Magistrate - New" as the subject and I will enroll you in the working
group.

It has been the custom to add the Custodes as the Owners of the group
with the Diribitors as the members.

--
In amicitia et fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbatus
Senator et Custos et Lictor
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Patrician, Paterfamilias

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus simus.

Hodie est die pristini Kalendas Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est:

Prayer to Jupiter

Lead me, O Master of the lofty heavens,
My Father, whithersoever thou shalt wish
I shall not falter, but obey with speed.
And though I would not, I shall go, and suffer
In sin and sorrow what I might have done
In noble virtue. Aye, the willing soul
Fate leads, but the unwilling drags along.
~ L. Annaeus Seneca, Epistle 107

Address to Roma

"Listen, O Roma, most beautiful Queen of Your world, welcomed amid
the starry skies, listen, O Mother of humans, Mother of the Gods,
thanks to Your temples we are not far from Heaven. Your name we
chant, and shall, while the Fates allow, forever chant. None can be
safe if forgetful of You. Sooner shall guilty oblivion befall the sun
than the honor due You quit from my heart, for Your benefits extend
as far as the rays of the sun, where the circling Ocean's flood
bounds the world's shores. For You very Phoebus who holds together
all things does revolve, his steeds which arise each morning within
Your domains he sets once more to rest within Your domains. You have
not been stayed by the scorching sands of Africa, nor has the Great
Bear, armed with native cold, repulsed You. As far as living nature
has stretched towards the poles, so far has earth opened a path for
Your valor. For nations far apart You have made a single fatherland,
held under Your dominion's sway has meant profit even for those who
knew not justice before, and by offering to the vanquished a share in
Your own justice, You have transformed what once was a world into a
City." ~ Rutilius Claudius Namatianus, De Reditu suo 1.47-67


AUC 945 / 192 CE: Death of Commodus (Lucius Aelius Marcus Aurelius
Antoninus Commodus)

As we all know, the names of the months that we use today, whether in
French, Spanish, Italian, English, et cetera, derive from the names
used by the Romans. However what is not as well known is that it
might have been different had Commodus had his way. In AUC 943 (190
CE) Commodus ordered that the names of the months, beginning with
March of that year, should be changed to Amazonius, Invictus, Felix,
Pius, Lucius, Aelius, Aurelius, Commodus, Augustus, Herculeus,
Romanus, Exsuperatorius. That is, he ordered that unlike a Caesar or
a mere Augustus all of the months should be named after himself, as
he explained, each month bearing one of his titles. No wonder then
that his mistress, his chamberlain, and the commander of the
Praetorian Guard hired a wrestler by the fitting name of Narcissus to
strangle Commodus in his bath.


Our thought for today comes from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 11.11

"If things do not come to you, the pursuits and avoidances of which
disturb you, still in a manner you go to them. Let your judgment
about them be put to rest, and they will remain quiet, and you will
not be seen either pursuing or avoiding."

Ave M. Hortensia Maior
The event is called Terminalia and I am placing the link to the site
that has all the info.

http://legvi.tripod.com/terminalia/

It will be nice to have some representation from Nova Roma out there

M. Moravius Horatianus Pontifex Maximus: Consulibus, Tribunibus
Plebis, Senatoribus, Patribus Mátribusque Conscriptís, viris
clarissimis et castissimae mulieribus, Civibus Novae Romae,
Quiritibus, et omnibus: salutem plurimam dicit:

QUOD BONUM FAUSTVM FELIX FORTUNATUMQVE SIT POPULO NOVO ROMANO
QUIRITIBUS:

Lex Curiata de Imperio

Nos, lictores Comitiorum Curiatorum Novae Romae agnoscimus
accipimusque Comitiorum Centuriatorum suffragiis consules
praetoresque factos atque Comitiorum Populi Tributorum suffragiis
aediles curules factos. Qua ex lege de imperio imperium ut lege
Arminia Equitia de imperio decretum est his magistratibus conferimus:
M. Curiatio Complutensi consuli, M. Iulio Severo consuli, Cn. Equitio
Marino praetori, P. Memmio Albucio praetori, Cn. Iulio Caesari aedili
curuli.

We, the Lictors of the Comitia Curiata of Nova Roma, recognize and
accept the results of the elections in the Comitia Centuriata for
consules and praetores, and the election in the Comitia Populi
Tributa for the aedilis curulis. By this lex de imperio we confer
imperium as defined in the Lex Arminia Equitia de imperio upon these
magistrates:

Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, Consul maior
Marcus Iulius Severus, Consul minor
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, Praetor maior
Publius Memmius Albucius, Praetor minor
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Aedilis curulis


Attested by the Lictores and Lictrices of Nova Roma

Titus Arminius Genialis
Marcus Arminius Maior
Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
Paulla Corva Gaudialis
Caius Curius Saturninus
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
Helena Galeria Aureliana
Marca Hortensia Maior
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
Lucia Livia Plauta
Annia Minucia Marcella
Marcus Minucius Audens
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Lucius Salix Cicero
Quintus Servilius Priscus
Gaius Tullius Valerianus Germanicus
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbatus
Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa


Si Dis placet, quod bonum faustum felixque sit

Datum est die pristine Kalendas Ianuarias anno A. U. C. MMDCCLXI M.
Moravio T. Iulio cos

Cn. Lentulus pontifex amicis et Quiritibus sal.


Bonum felicem faustum fortunatum annum novum MMDCCLXII!


I wish all Nova Romans a very happy and propitious and blessed New Year, the 2762nd year of the City!

You will find your ritual to Father Ianus, and to other gods you want to invoke, in this message. It is written for every Nova Roman citizen: you can use this prayer at your lararium on the 1st of January and during the days before the Ides of January, for praying a happy, successful and propitious New Year of your family and Nova Roma.

This prayer here is a short and simple one, for ordinary citizens of Nova Roma. I wish as many of you as possible use this in your prayers tomorrow, and on the first days of January.

After each Latin section there is an English translation. Please feel free to correct publicly my English, and then we will find together solutions to have a religious and sacral Roman English text.

Roman prayers were generally rhythmical, composed as verse of the rhythm of thoughts, repetitions, alliterations, the number of words and accents.

This is how my prayers are composed, and I tried to make the English one so that it recall the Latin verses.


USING THE NEW YEAR PRAYER

To use this prayer, you might consult the following articles about rites on our website:

http://novaroma.org/nr/Guide_to_Sacrifice
http://novaroma.org/nr/Adoratio
http://novaroma.org/nr/Daily_Rituals_(Nova_Roma)

After the words for Ianus, there is "blank text" for other deities you choose to worship. Please fill the empty place with the name of the deity you want, and fix the word "propitius" (male) or "propitia" (female) according to the gender of the deity you invoke. It is STRONGLY recommended to invoke your patron deities and those deities you especially need in the New Year. Each of them must have a new invocation for each section of the entire prayer. I suggest the following gods and goddesses:

- Concordia
- Iuppiter Optimus Maximus (in vocative: Optime Maxime)
- Fortuna



YOUR TRANSLATED NEW YEAR RITUAL


(After your regular rites at your lararium, say:...)


PRAEFATIO - PREFACE TO THE PRAYER

"Iane pater, deus novi initii,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sis volens propitius
Novis Romanis, amicis meis,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

Father Ianus, God of the New Beginning,
by offering you this incense
I pray good prayers so
that you be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Romans, to my friends,
to me, to my household and to my family.

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

"__________(name of another deity in vocative),
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sis volens propitius/propitia
Novis Romanis, amicis meis,
mihi, domo, familiae!!"

____________(name of another deity),
by offering you this incense
I pray good prayers so
that you be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Romans, to my friends,
to me, to my household and to my family.

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

"Iane pater, deus novi initii,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!"

Father Ianus, God of the New Beginning,
as by offering incense
I have prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason
be thou blessed by this wine.

(Libation of wine is made.)

"__________(name of another deity in vocative),
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!"

____________(name of another deity),
as by offering incense
I have prayed good prayers,
for the very same reason
be thou blessed by this wine.

(Libation of wine is made.)

PRECATIO - THE PRAYER

"Iane pater, deus novi initii,
custos futuri et praeteriti temporis sanctissime,
his Kalendis Ianuariis anni novi nunc incepti
te precor, quaesoque:
uti laetitiam fortunamque,
omnes eventus bonos fautosque,
fortunatos felicissimosque,
pacem concordiamque
societati Novae Romae
familiaeque meae tribuas;
utique sis volens propitius
Novis Romanis, amicis meis,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

Father Ianus, God of the New Beginning,
Most Sacred Guardian of the future and past,
on this first day of the New Year, Kalends of January,
I pray and ask you so
that you give gladness and fortune,
a good and prosperous,
successful and most happy progress of events,
peace and concord
to the society of Nova Roma
and to my own family;
and that you be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Romans, to my friends,
to me, to my household and to my family.

SACRIFICIUM - THE SACRIFICE

"Cuius rei ergo macte
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitius
Novis Romanis, amicis meis,
mihi, domo, familiae!"

For this reason, thou blessed
by offering this wine,
by offering this incense
be benevolent and propitious
to the Nova Romans, to my friends,
to me, to my household and to my family.

(Libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)

PIACULUM - THE EXPIATION OF MISTAKES DURING THE RITUAL

"Iane pater, deus novi initii,
"__________(names of all other deities invoked in vocative),
Lares, Manes, Penates,
Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displiceat,
hoc vino inferio
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio."

Father Ianus, God of the New Beginning,
"__________(names of all other deities invoked),
Lares, Manes, Penates,
Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
All Gods Immortal, by whichever name:
if something in this ceremony was unpleasant to you,
by this wine
I do apogize
and expiate my mistake.

(Libation of wine is made.)

I wish my fellow citizens a very happy and blessed New Year, full of peace and gladness. May Father Ianus bless you all, together with all the gods and goddesses of the Roman people.


BONUM FELICEM FAUSTUM FORTUNATUM ANNUM NOVUM MMDCCLXII !!!


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
P O N T I F E X
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilis Curulis P. Memmii Albucii
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------------------
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, pontifex, sacerdos Concordiae, sacerdos Pannoniae,
quaestor, legatus pro praetore: consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis
plebis, senatui populoque Novo Romano, Quiritibus: salutem plurimam:


Salvete, Quirites!

May the Divine Harmony shine upon you all brightly!

THE SACRED YEAR OF CONCORDIA AND 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF NOVA ROMA IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED!

Thank you for everybody who celebrated this year and prayed for Nova Roma. Our first decade is FINISHED TODAY! Thank to the Senate and to our wonderful consuls, M. Moravius Piscinus and T. Iulius Sabinus and to every magistrate who celebrated or helped the celebrations of this year!

The Sacred Year of the Tenth Anniversary is closed, now!

I fulfilled my vow about this Sacred Anniversary Year of the Nova Roman Decennalia, as I promised on the last 12th December:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/53489

There were public and private sacrifices to Concordia on every Kalends and Ides of the Sacred Year of 10th Anniversary.

Besides the 24 regular Kalends and Ides ceremonies, there were splendid ceremonies on the two holidays of the Concordia Temples, and many, many public sacrifices throughout the whole year, in Pannnonia (Hungary), Dacia (Romania) and Bulgaria, among them the Herculanensia 10th Anniversary Holiday at the VI Conventus Novae Romae.

There was a great main celebration on the 1st March, Concordialia, the Foundation Day of Nova Roma that will remain a public holiday of Nova Roma from this year forever.

Now we have arrived to the last day of this year, so this is the last sacrifice and the closing ceremony of our Sacred Anniversary that had started on this 1st January as the Opening Ceremony of the Sacred Year:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/54503

The most important of these, however, and one that I want to remain as an eternal Nova Roman holiday, was the Concordialia on the 1st of March, the Foundation Day of Nova Roma, ordered by the Senate to be an official holiday of Nova Roma.


SODALITAS CONCORDIALIS

Now we have the Sodalitas Concordiae, founded on the 1st of March, that will have the duty to continue our efforts to please Dea Concordia and make her to save us from flame wars, hate, discord, and allow us to be friends and comrades fighting for the same cause. The Sodalitas Concordiae, after the sacred Anniversary Year, will continue this mission making an emphasis on Concordia as a patron deity of Nova Roma, as a virtuous standard of behaviour and as the only way that can give unity, strength and cooperative development for our beloved republic.

Any citizen of Nova Roma who wish to be involved into a group that celebrates civil discussion, peace, openness, inclusiveness, friendship and concord, can join the Sodalitas Concordiae here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Concordia/


OFFICIAL CLOSING CEREMONY OF THE SACRED YEAR

The end of Concordia's Sacred Year is here. Nova Roma has been 10 years old: the last thing that remains is to celebrate the closing of the Tenth Anniversary Sacred year of Concordia, now, on the last day of this year.

This was the year of Goddess Concordance.

Please, citizens of Nova Roma, concentrate now your prayers on the creative cooperation of the citizenry and successful development of Nova Roma!

Help me with your prayers to make more effective my sacrifice!

PLEASE SEND YOUR PRAYERS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!

I especially ask our Magistrates and Senators: send me your prayers to
Concordia and I will allocate them in the Virtual Temple of Concordia of the Nova Roman People:

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Aedes_Concordiae_Populi_Novi_Romani_%28Nova_Roma%29

Visit the Virtual Temple of Concordia and leave a personal, public prayer!



This sacrifice has been done before my home altar. I have worshiped
Concordia for the unity, peace, strengthen and harmony of the New Roman People and I have given Her 3 sacrificial cakes, wine and incense.
The ritual has been this:


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

SACRIFICIUM CONCORDIAE FINIENDI ANNIVERSARII SACRI X NOVAE ROMAE CONDITAE



Favete linguis!

(Beginning of the sacrifice.)

PRAEFATIO

Dea Concordia,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Dea caritatis et amicitiae et fraternitatis,
te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitia
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

Dea Concordia,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Dea caritatis et amicitiae et fraternitatis,
uti te ture commovendo
bonas preces precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo
macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made.)

PRECATIO

Dea Concordia,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Dea caritatis et amicitiae et fraternitatis,
spes et victoria nostra sempiterna atque aeterna,
hocce pridie Kalendas Ianuarias anniversarii decimi
annique undecimi Novae Romae conditae,
te precor, veneror, quaesoque obtestorque:
uti pacem concordiamque constantem
societati Novae Romae tribuas;
uti Christianos Novos Romanos et cultores deorum maiorum antiquorum
in pace amicitiaque et fraternitate coniungas,
utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
omnibusque discordiis liberes;
utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
atque hoc anno anniversarii decimi Novae Romae conditae convalescat;
atque pax et concordia, salus et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat,
utique precationum huius anni sacri tui nunc finiti acceptrix
omnes annos inde venturos
omnesque eventus qui erunt inde,
remque publicam populi Novi Romani Quiritium
benedicas, custodias, amplificas;
utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
mihi, domo, familiae
omnes in hoc anno undecimo Novae Romae eventus bonos faustosque esse siris;
utique sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi,
quaeque ita faxis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
harum rerum ergo macte
his tribus libis libandis,
hoc vino libando,
hoc ture ommovendo
esto fito volens propitia
hoc anno anniversarii decimi Novae Romae conditae
Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
tribunis Plebis Novae Romanae,
Senatui Novo Romano,
Christianis Novis Romanis et cultoribus deorum maiorum antiquorum,
omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
mihi, domo, familiae!

(Three libums are sacrificed, libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)

REDDITIO

Dea Concordia,
Concordia Novae Romae,
Concordia Senatus Populique Novi Romani,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Concordia civium Novorum Romanorum,
Concordia deorum et mortalium,
Dea pacis et salutis et gloriae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Dea caritatis et amicitiae et fraternitatis,
uti te ture commovendo
et vino libando
bonas preces precatus sum,
earundem rerum ergo
macte vino inferio esto!

(Libation of wine is made)

Ilicet!

(End of the sacrifice.)

PIACULUM

Iane,
Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva,
Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicuit,
hoc vino inferio
veniam peto
et vitium meum expio.

(Libation of wine is made.)


VALETE SEMPER IN CONCORDIA!

LONG LIVE NOVA ROMA!

VIVAT NOVA ROMA!

VIVAT NOVA ROMA ANNORUM X!

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
P O N T I F E X
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilis Curulis P. Memmii Albucii
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------------------
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus quaestor consularis, pontifex, Quiritibus s. p. d.


In the name of the consulate of Nova Roma, we, the entire citizenry of Nova Roma, give officially thank to those citizens of Nova Roma who are with us since the first year of our republic!

Thank you very much for all your services, you represent personally the 10 years of the New Roman nation and republic!

Thank to our oldest citizens!


They started our dream:...

1998-03-01 - Marcus Cassius Julianus
1998-03-01 - Numerius Cordius Paulus
1998-03-01 - Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
1998-03-01 - Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
1998-03-01 - Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
1998-03-01 - Gaius Marius Merullus
1998-03-01 - Marcus Octavius Gracchus
1998-03-01 - Flavius Vedius Germanicus
1998-03-01 - Irene Afrania Lentula
1998-04-01 - Merlinia Ambrosia Artori
1998-04-01 - Gallio Velius Marsallas
1998-04-05 - Lucina Iunia Cypria
1999-06-01 - Cyrene Lucretia Corva Apollinaris
1998-07-01 - Marcus Minucius Audens
1998-07-01 - Titus Labienus Fortunatus
1998-07-01 - Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
1998-07-23 - Appia Claudia Labieni
1998-08-01 - Quintus Fabius Maximus
1998-08-01 - Patricius Attacottus Vallavantinius
1998-08-01 - Marcus Martianius Gangalius
1998-08-01 - Cornelius Ulpius Livianus
1998-08-01 - Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
1998-09-01 - Lucius Fabius Metellus-
1998-10-08 - Marcus Antonius Gryllus Graecus
1998-10-08 - Magnus Hadrianus Ingmarius Cogitatus Thuleus

...and WE do continue!!!


We honour your 10 years in Nova Roma with the beautiful poem of our poet Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus, that was written specially to celebrate our tenth anniversary:

CARMEN DECENNALE
"Rome To New Rome"

by St. Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus


Rome
People
Of seven hills
Of river’s side and farmer’s field
Pastoral folk
Became
More


Men
Of clans
Did form their tribes
To secure land and folkways, too
Chose their leaders
Made laws
Thrived


Gods
Looked down
Upon this place
Gave Their notice and lent an ear
To voices raised
In praise
Clear


World
Became
Aware of Rome
Their wealth, their aims, their strength of arm
Some opposed them
Others
Not


Years
Did pass
And history
Saw rise of Rome and then a fall
When city slept
Paused for
Time


Dark
Was called
This dreaming time
As world wore on and learned again
To climb to light
Clearly
See


Fresh
Eyes looked
Upon the past
Felt in their hearts a call to build
Upon a base
Roman
Still


New
The thoughts
Set in motion
By stories old, traditions proud
Philosophies
Virtues
Too


Full
Ten years
Have passed by since
The work begun; build Rome anew
With high hopes and
Faithful
Words


In
This work
Are many hands
Widespread across this world of ours
All bound by one
Ideal
Grand

More
Than this
The People grew
By gens and class, they took their names
They gave their thoughts
And their
Skills


To
Rebuild
Rome as place to be
To live, to grow, to celebrate
To write, to sing
Holy
Words


Like
The old
Ageless city
New Rome’s forum did welcome all
To come and join
Speak their
Piece


Men
Women
Have come and gone
Some quietly, others quite loud
They all made mark
They all
Helped


For
All did
In their own way
Show Roman pride and spirit bold
Filled the Annals
City’s
Tales


Few
Have been
The fallow days
Unfilled by strife, both good and bad
Any effort
Will make
Such


Now
We pause
To look at this
Nova Roma, our city fair
She’s still quite young
Promise
Filled



THANK YOU!

LONG LIVE NOVA ROMA!

VIVAT NOVA ROMA ANNORUM X!



Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
Q U A E S T O R
P O N T I F E X
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
------------------------------------------
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum T. Iulii Sabini et M. Moravii Piscini
Scriba Praetorum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Aedilis Curulis P. Memmii Albucii
Scriba Rogatoris Cn. Equitii Marini
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
-------------------------------------------
Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Dominus Factionis Russatae
Latinista, Classicus Philologus

Salve Graece,
actually you presented no historical evidence either. I gave you my
reasons for not being able to do research on the theme now. The
burden of proof never lies on one side only.
Actually most of the Greeks I know (and Greek people in general are
in fact one of my most cogent arguments for saying that most people
are good) are much better than you at arguing.
At least, none I know ever came up with an unsupported "I'm telling
the truth" argument as "evidence".
They know better than that, because, as the saying goes, "Where there
are three Greeks, there are at least five opinions": arguing is a
national sport and they're even better at that than at basketball.
Maybe you need a long stay in the fatherland to refine your rethoric
a bit.

Anyway I'm not Greek, so I'm tired of arguing. Can we please let this
polemic end with the old year?

Xronia polla!

Livia

> You are publishing a fiction in a public forum- with the saving

grace

> of "at least I think so"- you presented no historical evidence of

any

> kind at any point. I reply in correction because I am telling the
> truth about a religious figure important to me. The only "sin" here
> is historical ignorance- however you might justify it to yourself.
> St. John Chrysostom was never a murdered of gentiles as you stated-
> you were wrong. I leave any further reactions (or overreactions) to
> you.
>
> > Ah, and if you are Roman by birth, like me, we can surely

continue

> > this discussion in Italian, though I confess I'd rather not
> continue
> > it at all.
>
> I am not Italian, nor born in the city of Rome. I am a Greek and an
> American. But the history lesson on the Romaoi is long over-
> especially at these prices. :) And for what? My point has been made.
>
> Valete omnes,
>
> L. Fidelius Graecus
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Cn. Lentulus quaestor consularis, pontifex, Quiritibus sal.


This is my poem and song written for Nova Roma during the VI Conventus Novae Romae. It was sung by Livia Plauta, Popillia Laenas and me at the closing dinner of the Conventus, and celebrates Nova Roma and the Roman religion, like a National Anthem for Nova Roma.

Saturninus recorded it for video.... ;)

This is my final gift for the closing of the Sacred Anniversary.

May some Latinist translate it in English, I have no time, I'm going to celebrate the New Year.


CARMEN NOVUS ROMANUS

Nova vóx audíta deórum,
Cordibus quae sentírí potest,
Pietáte sequámur majórum,
Quod volunt di religió est:

Nova Róma deós venerátur,
Quós colébat antíqua, hodié,
Noví ergó quí Rómání appellámur,
veterés superémus fidé!

Precibus quaesumus vós, Penátés,
Faveátis huíc populó;
Restitútáque Rómá ut árís
sacra vóbis fiant dénuó!

Nova Róma deós venerátur,
Quós colébat antíqua, hodié,
Noví ergó quí Rómání appellámur,
veterés superémus fidé!


HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cn. Lentulus quaestor consulibus amplissimis, M. Piscino et T. Sabino, summis viris et illsutrissimis:


THANK YOU!!!!!!

This was one of the greatest years of Nova Roma. All waht you

And you made it!

Thank you for your incredible efforts, works, dutifulness!

Long live Sabinus! Long live Piscinus!

Attachments :

ENGLISH:
I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd
Pais Alonso) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) swear to uphold
and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) swear to protect
and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Consul to the
best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

LATINE:
Ego, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), hac re ipsa
decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae
acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.
Ego, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), officio
Consulis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae
publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me
persecuturum esse IVRO.
Ego, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), Religioni
Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum
publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.
Ego, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), Consulis
officiis muneris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.
Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Consulis una cum iuribus, privilegiis,
muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

ESPAÑOL:
Yo, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), por la presente
juro solemnemente enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los
legítimos intereses del Senado y el Pueblo de Nova Roma.

Como magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd
Pais Alonso) , juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades
públicas, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.
Yo, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro mantener y
defender la Religión Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca
actuar de manera que pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del
Estado.
Yo, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro proteger y
defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.
Yo, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro además
cumplir con las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Consul,
poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.
Por mi honor de ciudadano de Nova Roma, en presencia de los Dioses y Diosas
del Pueblo Romano y por su voluntad y favor, acepto la posición de Consul y
todos los derechos, privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades que a ella
corresponden.

PORTUGUES

Eu, Gaius Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro
solenemente defender a honra de Nova Roma, e de agir sempre em nome dos
melhores interesses do povo e do Senado de Nova Roma.

Como magistrado de Nova Roma, eu, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd
Pais Alonso) juro honrar os Deuses e Deusas de Roma nas minhas acções
públicas, e praticar as Virtudes Romanas na minha vida pública e privada.

Eu, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro promover e
defender a Religio Romana como a religião do Estado de Nova Roma, mais juro
em como nunca agirei de forma a ameaçar o seu estatuto como a religião de
Estado.

Eu, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro proteger e
defender a constituição de Nova Roma.

Eu, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) mais juro
cumprir as obrigações e responsabilidades do cargo de Consul até ao limite
das minhas capacidades.

Em nome da minha honra como cidadão de Nova Roma, e na presença dos Deuses e
Deusas do povo Romano e através da sua vontade e favor, eu aceito o cargo de
Consul e todos os seus direitos, privilégios, obrigações e responsabilidades
inerentes ao mesmo.

GERMAN


Ich, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), schwöre
hiermit feierlich, Nova Roma in Ehren zu halten und stets im besten
Interesse von Volk und Senat von Nova Roma zu handeln.

Als Konsul schwöre ich, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais
Alonso), die Götter und Göttinnen Roms in meinen öffentlichen Handlungen zu
ehren und römische Tugenden im privaten Leben ebenso zu befolgen wie im
öffentlichen.

Ich, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), schwöre
hiermit feierlich, die Religio Romana als Staatsreligion von Nova Roma zu
ehren und zu verteidigen und niemals in einer Weise zu handeln, die ihren
Status als Staatsreligion gefährden könnte.

Ich, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), schwöre, die
Verfassung von Nova Roma zu schützen und zu verteidigen.

Ich, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), schwöre
ferner die Pflichten und den Verantwortungsberei ch des Amtes des Konsul
nach besten Kräften zu erfüllen.

Bei meiner Ehre als cives Nova Romanus und in Gegenwart der Götter und
Göttinnen von Rom und mit ihrer Gnade und in Gegenwart des römischen Volkes
nehme ich, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), das Amt
des Konsul an und alle Rechte, Privilegien, Verpflichtungen und
Verantwortlichkeite n die damit verbunden sind.

ITALIANO

Io, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), giuro
solennemente di sostenere l'onore di Nova Roma e di agire sempre
nell'interesse del popolo e del Senato di Nova Roma.

Io, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), nell'atto di
accettare la carica di Console, giuro di onorare gli Dei e le Dee di Roma
nelle mie attività pubbliche, e di perseguire le virtù romane nella mia
vita pubblica e privata.

Io, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), giuro di
sostenere e difendere la Religio Romana come Religione di Stato di Nova
Roma e giuro di non agire mai in alcun modo che possa essere di detrimento
alla sua condizione di Religione di Stato.

Io, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), giuro di
proteggere e difendere la Costituzione di Nova Roma.

Io, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), giuro altresì
di adempiere al meglio agli obblighi ed alle responsabilità della carica
di Console.

Sul mio onore come Cittadino di Nova Roma, ed alla presenza degli Dei e
delle Dee del popolo romano e per loro volere e favore, accetto la
posizione di Console e tutti i diritti, i privilegi, gli obblighi e le
responsabilità ad essa afferenti.


HUNGARIAN

Én, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), ezennel
ünnepélyesen esküszöm,hogy Nova Roma becsületét megvédelmezem, és mindenkor
a szenátus és Nova Roma népének érdekében cselekszem.

Én, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), elfogadván
hivatalomat esküszöm, hogy Róma isteneit és istennõit minden közéleti
tevékenységem során tisztelettel fogom illetni, és követni fogom a római
erényeket mind a magán, mind a közösségi életben.

Én, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), esküszöm, hogy
a Római Vallást óvni és védelmezni fogom, és nyílvánosan sohasem foglalok el
vele ellentétes álláspontot, hogy kárt ne szenvedjen.

Én, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), esküszöm
továbbá, hogy a Consuli hivatallal járó feladataimat a lehetõ legjobb
képességeim szerint látom el.

Én, nova római polgárjogomnál fogva a római nép istenei és istennõi elõtt és
azok akarata és tetszése szerint a Consuli hivatalt a velejáró összes
joggal, kiváltsággal, kötelezettséggel és feladattal együtt elfogadom.

FRENCH

Moi, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), jure
solennellement par la présente de soutenir l'honneur de Nova Roma en toutes
circonstances au mieux des intérêts du peuple et du Sénat de Nova Roma.

En tant que magistrat de Nova Roma, moi, Publius Minius (Christophe
Puissant),
jure d'honorer les Dieux et Déesses de Rome dans mes relations publiques et
de
poursuivre les Vertus Romaines dans ma vie publique et privée.

Moi, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), jure de
soutenir et défendre la Religio Romana comme la Religion d'Etat de Nova Roma
et jure de ne jamais agir d'une manière qui menace son statut de Religion
d'Etat.

Moi, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), jure de
protéger et de défendre la Constitution de Nova Roma.

Moi, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), jure de plus
de remplir au mieux de mes capacités les obligations et responsabilités de
la fonction de
Consul.

Sur mon honneur en tant que citoyen de Nova Roma, en présence des Dieux et
Déesses du peuple romain et par leur faveur et leur bon vouloir, j'accepte
formellement d'assurer la fonction de Consul et tous les droits, privilèges,
obligations et responsabilités qui s'y rattachent.


RUSSIAN


Я, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, нижеследующим торжественно клянусь, чтить
и охранять Новый Рим. Действовать всегда в интересах Народа и Сената Нового
Рима.
Как магистрат Нового Рима, я, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, клянусь
почитать Богов и Богинь Рима в своей общественной жизни и следовать Римским
Добродетелям в моей личной и общественной жизни.
Я, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, клянусь чтить и охранять Римскую Религию,
как государственную религию Нового Рима и клянусь никогда не совершать
действий, могущих поставить под угрозу государственный статус Римской
Религии в Новом Риме.
Я, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, клянусь чтить и охранять Конституцию
Нового Рима.
Я, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis, также клянусь изо всех сил и с сознанием
полной ответственности исполнять свои обязанности в должности Консула.
С честью гражданина Новго Рима, в присутствии Богов и Богинь Римского
народа, по их воле и благоволению, я занимаю должность Консула, со всеми ее
правами, привилегиями, обязанностями и ответственностью соответственно.


M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS

Attachments :

M. Curiatius Complutensis Consul: Patribus Mátribusque Conscriptís, Populo
Novo Romano, Quiritibus omnibusque: salutem plurimam dicit:


Annum novum bonum faustum felicem!


In accordance with the tradition begun by Consul Cn. Salvius Astur on the
Kalendae Ianuariae MMDCCLVII and continued in the following years by
Consules C. Popillius Laenas, K. Fabius Buteo Modianus, L. Arminius Faustus,
and M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus notice is hereby given that later today
I shall perform the annual Consular Sacrificial Ceremony offered to the Di
Immortales in the following manner.


SACRIFICIUM ANNUAE SACRAE



I. INITIUM


Praeco dicit:

"Hoc agite! Ite procul, sacer est locus, ite profani!"

Lictor dicit:

"Hostis vinctus, puer, virgo exesto!"


II. PRAEFATIO

The Consul washes his hands in preparation for the Praefatio:

"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

(May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses the
air.)

Praeco dicit:

"Adeste dique hominesque sacris. Procul hinc, procul ite nocentes si cui
corde nefas tacitum fessique senectus longa patris, si quis pulsatae
conscius umquam matris et inferna rigidum timet Aeacon urna: insontes
castosque voco."

(Come, be present, Gods and men, to these holy rites. Begone, you wicked
folk, begone far from here, all whose hearts harbor unspoken an unholy
desire, any who thinks their elderly relatives have lived too long, or you
who are conscious of ever having struck your own mother, fear the urn of
unbending Aeacus in the Underworld. I call only upon the innocent and the
chaste.)

Consul dicit:

"Pro Senatu Novo Romano, ego, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis Consul dico,
edico:"

(For the Senate and People of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Curiatius Complutensis ,
the Consul say and announce:)

"Iane pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

(Father Ianus, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers, so that
You may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.)

Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

(Father Mars, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers, so that
You may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.)

Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

(Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers, so
that You may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.)

Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Ianus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Mars pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Mars, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Quirinus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.



III. PRECATIO


Hands are washed in preparation for the Precatio:

"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

(May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses the
air.)

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti tibi in illeis libreis scriptum est, quarumque
rerum ergo, quodque melius siet populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, tibi hoc
sacrum fiat: te quaeso precorque, uti imperium maiestatemque populi Novi
Romani Quiritium auxis, utique
incolumitatem sempiternamque victoriam valetudinemque populo Novo Romano
Quiritibus des, faveasque populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Remque Publicam
Liberam populi Novi Romani Quiritium salvam serves, maioremque facias, uti
sis volens propitius populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Senatui Novo Romano,
sacerdotibus populi Novi Romani, nobis, domibus, familiis, et uti huius
sacrifici acceptor sies; harum
rerum ergo macte esto fito volens propitius populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
Senatui Novo Romano, sacerdotibus Novis Romanis, nobis, domibus, familiis."

(Jupiter Optimus Maximus, as it is prescribed for You in the (sacred) books
- and for this reason may good fortune attend the people of Nova Roma, the
Quirites - let sacrifice be made to You. I ask and I pray that You may
increase the imperium and majesty of the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites;
and that You may grant eternal safety, victory and health to the people of
Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that You may protect the people of Nova Roma,
the Quirites; and that You may keep safe and make greater the Free Republic
of the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites, and that You may be favorable and
propitious to the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites, to the Senate of Nova
Roma, to the priests and priestesses of the people of Nova Roma, to us, to
our homes, and to our households; and that You may accept this sacrifice.
For these reasons may You become strengthened and honored with this
sacrifice, may You become favorable and propitious to the people of Nova
Roma, the Quirites, to the Senate of Nova Roma, to the priests and
priestesses of the people of Nova Roma, to ourselves, to
our homes, and to our households.)

"Iuppiter, quo circa te, Capitoline, quem propter beneficia populus Romanus
Optimum, propter vim Maximum nominavit! Iuppiter, qui genus colis alisque
hominem, per quem vivimus vitalem aevom, quem penes spes vitae sunt hominum
omnium, da diem hunc sospitem quaeso meis rebus agundis!"

(O Jupiter Capitolinus, to You I pray, I entreat You, who the Roman people
have named Optimus after Your kindness and Maximus after Your great power. O
Jupiter, who does cherish and nurture the human race, through whom we live
and draw the breath of life, in whom rest the hopes and lives of all
humankind, come now to this place, bless it in
happiness, illuminated in Your divine radiance, venerated and made holy by
Your presence.)

"Pater noster, in tua, pater carissime, in tua sumus custodia. Iuppiter, te
hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces praecor, uti sis volens propitius nobis
liberisque nostris, domibus familiisque nostris."

(Our Father, in You, dearest Father, in Your hands do we place our
safekeeping. Jupiter, in offering to You this incense I pray good prayers
that You may favor us, our children, our homes and our households.)

"Iuppiter, te hoc libo obmovendo bonas preces precor, uti sis volens
propitius nobis liberisque nostris, domibus familiisque nostris, mactus hoc
ferto."

(Jupiter, in offering You this libum bread I pray good prayers in order
that, pleased with this offering of libum bread, You may be favorable to us
and our children, to our homes and our households.)

"Iovis pater, uti te libo obmovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Jupiter, for the same reasons given when offering to You libum bread
with good prayers, may You be warmed by this small portion of our wine.)

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, qui res publicas Novas Romanas nunc
custodis defendisque, sicut res publicas maiorum nostrorum Romanorum
custodivisti efendistique, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam
vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Iuppiter Best and Greatest, King of the Gods, who protects and defends the
public affairs of Nova Roma just as He protected and defended the public
affairs of our Roman fathers, to You it is proper for a cup of wine to be
given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may You be
honored by this feast offering.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Iuno, regina Deorum, quae materne nunc Senatum Populumque Novum Romanum
nutris, sicut Senatum Populumque Romanum in tempore maiorum nostrorum
nutrivisti, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi,
eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Iuno, queen of the Gods, who maternally nurtures the Senate and People of
Nova Roma just as She nurtured the Senate and People of Rome in the time of
our fathers, to You it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time
of beginning, for the sake of this thing may You be honored by this feast
offering.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Minerva, sapientia aeterna, quae recte res publicas Novas Romanas ducis,
sicut res publicas maiorum nostrorum Romanorum duxisti, tibi fieri oportet
in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape
pullucenda esto."

(Minerva, eternal wisdom, who rightly guides the public affairs of Nova Roma
just as She rightly guided the public affairs of our Roman fathers, to You
it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning, for
the sake of this thing may You be honored by this feast offering.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Salus, benefactrix Senatus Populique Romani et fideiussorix salutis
nostrae, quae Novam Romam conservas, sicut Romam antiquam conservavisti,
tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo
hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

(Salus, benefactor of the Roman Senate and People and guarantor of our
well-being, who preserves Nova Roma just as She preserved ancient Rome, to
You it is proper for a cup of wine to be given in this time of beginning,
for the sake of this thing may You be honored by this feast offering.)

Libation of wine is made.



IV. REDDITIO


Hands are washed in preparation for the redditio.

"Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

(May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses the
air.)

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, rex Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda esto,
macte vino inferio esto."

(Iuppiter Best and Greatest, king of the Gods, may You be honored by this
feast offering, may You be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

"Iuno, regina Deorum, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio
esto."

(Iuno, queen of the Gods, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You
be honored by the small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

"Minerva, sapientia aeterna, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino
inferio esto."

(Minerva, eternal wisdom, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You
be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

"Salus, benefactrix Novae Romae, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte
vino inferio esto."

(Salus, benefactrix of Nova Roma, may You be honored by this feast offering,
may You be honored by the small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made, and an offering of cake is made.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Quirinus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Mars pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Mars, by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were prayed
well, for the sake of this be honored by this by this small portion of
wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Iane pater, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

(Father Ianus, as by offering to You the incense virtuous prayers were well
prayed, for the sake of this be honored by this small portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Dea Vesta, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto."

(Goddess Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honored by this small
portion of wine.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Vesta, perpetuorum custos ignium, vos publica voce obtestor atque precor:
custodi serva protege hanc Rem Publicam liberam, hunc populum, hos consules,
pacem concordiamque constantem Rei Publicae nostrae tribue."

(Vesta, perpetual guardian of fire, to You the public voice calls and prays:
may You guard, preserve, and protect this Free Republic, this People, these
consuls; may You grant peace and steadfast concord for our Republic.)

"Nil amplius vos hodie posco, superi, satis est."

(No more, Gods on High, do I ask of You today; it is enough.)

"Ilicet. Di deaeque omnes, superi atque inferi, vos semper ament et
felicitam volunt."

(Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you and wish
you happiness in all that is good.)

"Vadite in pace Deorum!"

(Go now in the peace of the Gods.)

And those observing the rite respond:

"Di immortales faciant, tam felix quam pium."

(May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious.)



V. PIACULUM


[I concluded with a piaculum to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno, Miverva, and
Salus in the event I might have done anything during the ceremony that might
be displeasing to the Immortals.]

"Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva, Salus, Di Immortales, si quidquam
vobis in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium
meum expio."

(Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, Iuno, Minerva, and Salus, Immortal Gods, if
anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this by this small
portion of wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.)

Libation of wine is made.

"Di Immortales Romae civibus Novis Romanis et praesentibus et futuris
faveant!"

(May the Immortal Gods of Rome bless the citizens and future Citizens of
Nova Roma.)


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