Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Jan 1-10, 2009

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60282 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Censor - Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60283 From: L. Salix Cicero (Neil) Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60284 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60285 From: philippe cardon Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60286 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Oath for Praetor office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60287 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: KALENDAE IANUARIAE: Strenia, Aesculapis, Vediovus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60288 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Censor - Oath of Office Titus Flavius Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60289 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Quaestor- Oath of Office Titus Flavius Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60290 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Quaestor- Oath of Office Titus Flavius Aquila
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60291 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office of Rogator Genialis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60292 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Quaestrix- oath of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60293 From: Complutensis Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: LIBATIO VICTORIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60294 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60295 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Oath of office as Praetor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60296 From: Complutensis Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: EDICTUM CONSULAREM CURIATI-IULII I DE CREATIONE ACCENSORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60297 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Iusiurandum quaestoris C. Petronii Dextri.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60298 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: IANUS SACRIFICE FOR THE NEW YEAR - Kalends of January, 2752 AUC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60299 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Edictum Lentuli XII. about the Millennial Jubilee Years of the 2000t
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60300 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60301 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: OPENING RITUAL: Millennial Jubilee Years of the 2000th Anniversary o
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60302 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60303 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Quaestor Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60304 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Re: Oath of Office Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60305 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - information
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60306 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60307 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: Happy New Year!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60308 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: Kalendis Ianuariis Iunoni Libatio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60309 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: Re: Custodes et Diribitors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60310 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Custodes et Diribitors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60311 From: gaia.triaria Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: hello
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60312 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: a. d. IIII Nonas Ianuarias: Dies ater; potens tribunicia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60313 From: Complutensis Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: Re: hello
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60314 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: Roman Comic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60315 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: C•ARM•RECCANELLVS - Quaestor Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60316 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60317 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: Re: hello
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60318 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: About English Accents [discussion redirected from Comitia Curiata]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60319 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: R: AW: [Nova-Roma] Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60320 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60321 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60322 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60323 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: Horkoi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60324 From: annia@ciarin.com Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: Re: Horkoi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60325 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-02
Subject: Re: Horkoi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60326 From: annia@ciarin.com Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Re: Horkoi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60327 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Horkoi (Gallice et Germanice)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60328 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Re: Horkoi (Gallice et Germanice)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60329 From: Complutensis Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: EDICTUM CONSULARE CURIATI-IULI II DE ASSIGNATIONE QUAESTORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60330 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Lord Apollo, 1/3/2009, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60331 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: A group dedicated to new or prospective citizens, 1/3/2009, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60332 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: a. d. III Nonas Ianuarias: Pax Augusti
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60333 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60334 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Roman lamp with gynecological examine - line drawing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60335 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Fw: [SenatusRomanus] The Voting Period has ended
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60336 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60337 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60338 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60339 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60340 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60341 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: LUDI 2761 all cat. FINAL RESULTS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60342 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Re: Horkoi (Gallice et Germanice)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60343 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Edictum de scribarum creatione
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60344 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-03
Subject: Re: LUDI 2761 all cat. FINAL RESULTS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60345 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Comparative Height through Time (was: Mass graves of Himera)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60346 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60347 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: About togas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60348 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: About togas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60349 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60350 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: School days, school days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60351 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60352 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Height - Body volume - mass versus surface area; was Re: Mass graves
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60353 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60354 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Pridie Nonas Ianuarias: Compitalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60355 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: David Meadows Explorator 11.37
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60356 From: philippe cardon Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: David Meadows Explorator 11.37
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60357 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60358 From: Sebastian José Molina Palacios Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60359 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: About togas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60360 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60361 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: HOW EXCESSIVE GOVERNMENT KILLED ANCIENT ROME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60362 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Scribes' Edict: Italian translation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60363 From: Complutensis Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: EDICTO CENDORIO DE NOMBRAMIENTO DE ASISTENTES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60364 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: HOW EXCESSIVE GOVERNMENT KILLED ANCIENT ROME
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60365 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: About togas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60366 From: Chantal Gaudiano Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: About togas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60367 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60368 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: VIVAT RUSSATA! [was: LUDI 2761 all cat. FINAL RESULTS]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60369 From: Appius Galerius Aurelianus Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: Scribes' Edict: Italian translation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60370 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60371 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-01-04
Subject: Temple of Vica Pota
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60372 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: Re: About togas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60373 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60374 From: C.ARM.RECCANELLVS Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: Re: EDICTUM CONSULARE CURIATI-IULI II DE ASSIGNATIONE QUAESTORUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60375 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: NONAE IANUARIAE: Vicae Potae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60376 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: Your citizen photo, 1/5/2009, 12:00 pm
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60377 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: AW: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: About togas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60378 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: Sacrum Vitae Potae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60379 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60380 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: Proserpina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60381 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60382 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60383 From: fauxrari Date: 2009-01-05
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: About togas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60384 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-01-06
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60385 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-06
Subject: a. d. VIII Eidus Ianuarias: Pyrrhos
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60386 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2009-01-06
Subject: Édito censorial de nomeação de escribas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60387 From: twilson6356 Date: 2009-01-06
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60388 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2009-01-06
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60389 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-06
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Happy New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60390 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-06
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60391 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-06
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60392 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2009-01-06
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60393 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-06
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60394 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-01-06
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60395 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60396 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60397 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBARVM (LATINE)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60398 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: a. d. VII Eidus Ianuarias: feriale Cumanum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60399 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60400 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60401 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Caesar and Punctuation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60402 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60403 From: mike orley Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60404 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60405 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SENATORIBVS ADLEGENDIS 2762 I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60406 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60407 From: mike orley Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60408 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60409 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM IV: Album Senatorium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60410 From: mike orley Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60411 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SENATORIBVS ADLEGENDIS 2762 I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60412 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Visit the Temple of Mercurius!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60413 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SENATORIBVS ADLEGENDIS 2762 I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60414 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60415 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60416 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Oaths of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60417 From: Libero Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Revival of gladiatorial tuornaments in Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60418 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60419 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60420 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60421 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60422 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60423 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60424 From: Jim Date: 2009-01-07
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60425 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-08
Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Ianuarias: Ara Iustitae Augustae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60426 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2009-01-08
Subject: Re: Oaths of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60427 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-08
Subject: Pax Nova Romana 2009
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60428 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-08
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60429 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-08
Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60430 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-08
Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60431 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: a. d. V Eidus Ianuarias: AGONIUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60432 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60433 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: Job offer - scribe position
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60434 From: Gaius Marcius Crispus Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: That's why I like Monty Python so much
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60435 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: Re: Job offer - scribe position
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60436 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: Re: Job offer - scribe position
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60437 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: Re: Job offer - scribe position
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60438 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: Re: Job offer - scribe position
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60439 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: Nova Roman Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60440 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: Simple Roman calendar by e-mail, 1/10/2009, 12:00 am
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60441 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60442 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60443 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: NR FLag Color
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60444 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-01-09
Subject: Re: NR FLag Color
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60445 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: Re: NR FLag Color
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60446 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: Obituary: Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60447 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: a. d. IIII Eidus Ianuarias: "Alea iacta est"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60448 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: Re: Obituary: Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60449 From: Jim Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: Re: Obituary: Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60450 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] NR FLag Color
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60451 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: Edictum Praetoribus 2762-01
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60452 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: Edictum Memmium PR 62-02 on the org. of the tasks inside the praet.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60453 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: Re: Obituary: Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60454 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60455 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60456 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: Roman Calendar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60457 From: nimrodconjuror Date: 2009-01-10
Subject: Re: Nova Roman Ring



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60282 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Censor - Oath of Office
It being near dawn in Rome and just ater midnight in the central USA:

Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best interests of the People and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith
Sterne) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
life.

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Censor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Given this first day of January 2009 (2762 a.u.c.) in the Consulship
of Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60283 From: L. Salix Cicero (Neil) Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office
I, Lucius Salix Cicero (Neil Egginton) do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Salix Cicero (Neil Egginton) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Lucius Salix Cicero (Neil Egginton) swear to uphold
and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Lucius Salix Cicero (Neil Egginton) swear to protect
and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Lucius Salix Cicero (Neil Egginton) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Custos to the
best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Custos and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

LATINE:
Ego, , hac re ipsa
decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae
acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.
Ego, Lucius Salix Cicero (Neil Egginton), officio
Custos Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae
publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me
persecuturum esse IVRO.
Ego, Lucius Salix Cicero (Neil Egginton), Religioni
Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum
publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.
Ego, Lucius Salix Cicero (Neil Egginton), Custos
officiis muneris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.
Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Custos una cum iuribus, privilegiis,
muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60284 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office - Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Cn. Iulius Caesar Quiritibus sal.

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell)
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell) swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile to
the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Curule Aedile and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


Ego, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae
me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum
esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell), officio aedilis curulis
Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae
publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque
vita me persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell), Religioni Romanae me fauturum
et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum
esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar (Nigel Kell), officiis muneris aedilis
curulis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus aedilis curulis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60285 From: philippe cardon Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: (no subject)
 
 
bonne année
happy new year
philippe
 
 
 
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60286 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Oath for Praetor office
Diis Populo Senatuque Novae Romae s.d.

Here is the oath of office, in the words required by lex Iunia de
iusiurando 19 Oct 52, modified by lex Cassia de iusiurando 04 Dec 54,
for the office of praetor, that the People elected me for.

I, Publius Memmius Albucius (Ch. Puissant), do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the People and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Publius Memmius Albucius, swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Publius Memmius Albucius, swear to uphold and defend the Religio
Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a
way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Publius Memmius Albucius, swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Publius Memmius Albucius, further swear to fulfill the obligations
and responsibilities of the office of praetor to the best of my
abilities.

On my honor as a citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman People and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of praetor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."

Valete optime Dii, Senatus Populeque.


P. Memmius Albucius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60287 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: KALENDAE IANUARIAE: Strenia, Aesculapis, Vediovus
M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Salvete vosque bona Strenia auctet ope.

Hodie est Kalendae Ianuariae; haec dies nefastus est: DIE QUINTI TE
KALO, IUNO COVELLA: natalis Vediovi; natalis Aesculapi; Streniae

"Janus, though You begin each fleeting year, and renew the long ages
wherever You appear, though vows and incense are piously first
offered to You, and the consuls begin each year by laying offerings
at Your feet." ~ Martialis 8.8.1-5

For Strenia today give gifts (strenae) to loved ones and burn twigs
of laurel as offerings upon altar.


"A prosperous day dawns: favour our thoughts and speech!
"Let auspicious words be said on this auspicious day."
~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.71-72


Auspicium Magistratum

"Omens attend upon beginnings." ~ Ovid, Fasti 1.178

The New Year began with the Auspici Magistratum, where the consuls
took the auspices for the coming year at the Auguralium on the Arx.
Moving past the Temple of Vediovis the consuls next offered
sacrifices to Jupiter at the Capitolium and made vows for the welfare
of the City before calling upon the Senate to formally seek its
advice.

After AUC 600 (153 BCE), when magistrates first began to take office
on 1 January rather than 1 March, certain traditions for the New Year
were transferred to this day as well. One was a procession that led
from the sacellum of Strenia at the head of the Via Sacra up to the
Arx where the consuls took their auspices. The consuls would have
begun preparing shortly after midnight, then gone to the Arx to await
sunrise for taking the first signs of day. Symmachus tells us that
the procession from Strenia's shrine was conducted just before
sunrise, and thus it may have conducted as an escort for the
inauguration of the consuls. In this procession sacred twigs from
Her grove were carried. The tradition was said to have gone back to
the days when Tatius was king with Romulus (Symmachus, epistle
10.35). The twigs could therefore have been the Sabine herb juniper,
which was used for purification rituals. Friends exchanged gifts,
called strenae, as a way of passing on wishes of prosperity and good
fortune for the New Year.


AUC 460 / 293 BCE: Arrival of Aesculapius

"Latona's grandson, revered Aesculapis, by whose mild herbal remedies
too briefly are the Fates beguiled." ~Martial 9.17

"The year had been a happy one in many ways, but this was hardly
adequate consolation for the one major disaster: the plague that
raged through town and countryside alike. The devastation it caused
was thought to be an evil omen, and thus the Sibylline Oracles were
consulted to find what limits or remedy the Gods proposed for it
ravages. The Books revealed that Aesculapius must be summoned from
Epidaurus to Rome; however because the consuls were busy engaged in a
war, nothing was done about it that year except that one day was set
aside for a supplicatio for the God." ~ Titus Livius 10.47.6

"When the people suffered from a plague, envoys were sent to bring a
statue of Aesculapius from Epidaurus to Rome. They brought with them
a snake that had joined them in the ship, and which no doubt was a
manifestation of the god; from the ship, it went to the island in the
Tiber, to the place where the temple of Aesculapius has been
erected." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 11.3


AUC 559 / 194 BCE: Insula Temple of Vediovis

L. Furius Purpureo vowed a temple for Vediovis during his victory
over the Carthaginians under Hamilcar and their Gallic allies at
Cremona in 200 BCE (Livy 31.21). The temple was then dedicated six
years later on the Insula in (Livy 34.53).


AUC 865 / 112 CE: Dedication of Trajan's Forum.


AUC 946 / 193 CE: Ascension of Publius Helvius Pertinax.

"After Commodus was slain, Laetus, the prefect of the guard, and
Eclectus, the chamberlain, came to Pertinax and reassured him, and
then led him to the camp. There he harangued the soldiers, promised
a donative, and said that the imperial power had been thrust upon him
by Laetus and Eclectus. It was pretended, moreover, that Commodus
had died a natural death, chiefly because the soldiers feared that
their loyalty was merely being tested. Finally, and at first by only
a few, Pertinax was hailed as emperor. He was made emperor on the day
before the Kalends of January, being then more than sixty years old.
During the night he came from the camp to the senate, but, when he
ordered the opening of the hall of the senate-house and the attendant
could not be found, he seated himself in the Temple of Concord. And
when Claudius Pompeianus, Marcus' son-in law, came to him and
bemoaned the death of Commodus, Pertinax urged him to take the
throne; Claudius, however, seeing that Pertinax was already invested
with the imperial power, refused. Without further delay, therefore,
all the magistrates, in company with the consul, came to the senate-
house, and Pertinax, who had come in by night, was saluted as
emperor." ~ Historia Augusta, Pertinax 4.5-11


Our thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 5.8.1:

"Just as we must understand when it is said, that Aesculapius
prescribed to this man horse-exercise, or bathing in cold water or
going without shoes; so we must understand it when it is said, that
the nature of the universe prescribed to this man disease or
mutilation or loss or anything else of the kind. For in the first
case Prescribed means something like this: he prescribed this for
this man as a thing adapted to procure health; and in the second case
it means: that which happens to every man is fixed in a manner for
him suitable to his destiny."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60288 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Censor - Oath of Office Titus Flavius Aquila
 

 

Salvete Quirites !

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), hac re ipsa
decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque
Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), officio Quaestor Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), Religioni
Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), officiis muneris
Quaestor me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Quaestor una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

Kalendis Ianuariis MMDCCLXII AUC M.Complutensis et M.Severus cos

 


I, Titus Flavius Aquila ( Thomas Vogel) do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I,Titus Flavius Aquila(Thomas Vogel)  swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel)  swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto. 

 
The 1st of January 2762 AUC / 2009 in the consulship of M.Complutensis and M.Severus 



Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), schwoere hiermit feierlich,
Nova Roma in Ehren zu halten und stets im besten Interesse von Volk
und Senat von Nova Roma zu handeln.

Als Quaestor schwoere ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas
Vogel), die Goetter und Goettinnen Roms in meinen oeffentlichen
Handlungen zu ehren und roemische Tugenden im privaten Leben ebenso zu befolgen wie im oeffentlichen.

Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) , schwoere hiermit
feierlich, die Religio Romana als Staatsreligion von Nova Roma zu
ehren und zu verteidigen und niemals in einer Weise zu handeln, die
ihren Status als Staatsreligion gefaehreden koennte.

Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) , schwoere, die Verfassung
von Nova Roma zu schuetzen und zu verteidigen.

Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) , schwoere ferner die
Pflichten und den Verantwortungsbereich des Amtes des Quaestor nach besten Kraeften zu erfuellen.

Bei meiner Ehre als cives Nova Romanus und in Gegenwart der Goetter
und Goettinnen von Rom und mit ihrer Gnade und in Gegenwart des
roemischen Volkes nehme ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) ,
das Amt des Quaestor an und alle Rechte, Privilegien,
Verpflichtungen und Verantwortlichkeiten die damit verbunden sind.

Am 1. Januar 2762 AUC / 2009 des Konsulatsjahres von M.Complutensis und M.Severus 



May Iuppiter Optimus Maximus and all eternal Roman Gods
preserve and protect Nova Roma and its people !

Pro Res Publica et Patria !

Valete optime
Titus Flavius Aquila
Quaestor

Concordia res parvae crescunt, discordia maximae dilabuntur
 

 

 

 

 

 

.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60290 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Quaestor- Oath of Office Titus Flavius Aquila
Correction in the Title Line, Quaestor - Oath of Office

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Salvete Quirites !

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), hac re ipsa
decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque
Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), officio Quaestor Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), Religioni
Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

Ego, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), officiis muneris
Quaestor me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Quaestor una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

Kalendis Ianuariis MMDCCLXII AUC M.Complutensis et M.Severus cos

 


I, Titus Flavius Aquila ( Thomas Vogel) do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I,Titus Flavius Aquila(Thomas Vogel)  swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel)  swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto. 

 
The 1st of January 2762 AUC / 2009 in the consulship of M.Complutensis and M.Severus 



Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel), schwoere hiermit feierlich,
Nova Roma in Ehren zu halten und stets im besten Interesse von Volk
und Senat von Nova Roma zu handeln.

Als Quaestor schwoere ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas
Vogel), die Goetter und Goettinnen Roms in meinen oeffentlichen
Handlungen zu ehren und roemische Tugenden im privaten Leben ebenso zu befolgen wie im oeffentlichen.

Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) , schwoere hiermit
feierlich, die Religio Romana als Staatsreligion von Nova Roma zu
ehren und zu verteidigen und niemals in einer Weise zu handeln, die
ihren Status als Staatsreligion gefaehreden koennte.

Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) , schwoere, die Verfassung
von Nova Roma zu schuetzen und zu verteidigen.

Ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) , schwoere ferner die
Pflichten und den Verantwortungsbereich des Amtes des Quaestor nach besten Kraeften zu erfuellen.

Bei meiner Ehre als cives Nova Romanus und in Gegenwart der Goetter
und Goettinnen von Rom und mit ihrer Gnade und in Gegenwart des
roemischen Volkes nehme ich, Titus Flavius Aquila (Thomas Vogel) ,
das Amt des Quaestor an und alle Rechte, Privilegien,
Verpflichtungen und Verantwortlichkeiten die damit verbunden sind.

Am 1. Januar 2762 AUC / 2009 des Konsulatsjahres von M.Complutensis und M.Severus 



May Iuppiter Optimus Maximus and all eternal Roman Gods
preserve and protect Nova Roma and its people !

Pro Res Publica et Patria !

Valete optime
Titus Flavius Aquila
Quaestor

Concordia res parvae crescunt, discordia maximae dilabuntur
 

 

 

 

 

 

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60291 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Oath of Office of Rogator Genialis
TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS NOVAE ROMAE CIVIBUS SPD
 
I, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade) do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade) swear to uphold
and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade) swear to protect
and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Rogator to the
best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Rogator and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

Ego, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), hac re ipsa
decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae
acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.
Ego, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), officio
Consulis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae
publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me
persecuturum esse IVRO.
Ego, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), Religioni
Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum
publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.
Ego, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), Rogatoris
officiis muneris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.
Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Rogatoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis,
muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
 
Eu, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), por meio deste solenemente juro guardar a honra de Nova Roma, e trabalhar sempre para os melhores interesses do Senado e povo de Nova Roma.
Como um magistrado de Nova Roma, Eu, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), juro honrar os Deuses e Deusas de Roma nas minhas atividades públicas, bem como almejar as virtudes públicas romanas na minha vida pública e privada.
Eu, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), juro sustentar e defender a Religio Romana como a Religião Estatal de Nova Roma e juro nunca agir de forma que vá ameaçar sua posição como religião oficial.
Eu, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), juro proteger e defender a constituição de Nova Roma.
Eu, Titus Arminius Genialis (Gabriel Nogueira Bastos Soledade), no mais juro cumprir as obrigações e responsabilidades do cargo de Rogator no melhor de minhas habilidades.
Pela minha honra como cidadão de Nova Roma, na presença dos Deuses e Deusas do Povo Romano, pelas suas mercês e favores, aceito a magistratura de Rogator bem como todos seus direitos, privilégios, obrigações e responsabilidades decorrentes de agora em diante.
 

TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
Lictor
Rogator
Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Brasiliae

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60292 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: Quaestrix- oath of office
I, L. Livia Plauta (Livia Cases) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, L. Livia Plauta swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, L. Livia Plauta swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, L. Livia Plauta swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, L. Livia Plauta (Livia Cases) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of quaestrix to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of quaestrix and all the
rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
thereto.

Ego, L. Livia Plauta, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensuram, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse
sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, L. Livia Plauta, officio quaestricis Novae Romae accepto, deos
deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et
virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.

Ego, L. Livia Plauta, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et
eam defensuram, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam
esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, L. Livia Plauta officiis muneris quaestricis me quam
optime functuram esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus quaestricis una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60293 From: Complutensis Date: 2009-01-01
Subject: LIBATIO VICTORIAE
Attachments :
    Annum novum faustum felicem

    "Victoria Divina, custos et domina rei secundae nostrae, perinde ac legiones
    patrum nostrorum duxisti ut tellurem antiquam in Romanitatem adducerent,
    duce nos ut etiam amplius beneficia Romanitatis vulgemus. Ut recte nos in
    deliberationibus nostris regas et in amplexum sacrum tuum hos conscriptos
    patresque Novae Romae comprehendas te oro. Ut cum Salute et Concordia
    certamina nostra sanes, in mente communi nos consocies, et re secunda
    victrici dignitatem huius Senatus augeas te oro

    [Holy Victory, guardian and lady of our success, even as you led the legions
    of the forefathers to bring Romanitas to the ancient world, lead us that we
    may spread the benefits of Romanitas yet further. I beseech you that you
    rightly guide us in our deliberations and take into your holy embrace these
    conscripts and fathers of Nova Roma. I beseech you that with Salus and
    Concordia you heal our conflicts, unite us in a common purpose, and with
    victorious success increase the dignitas of this Senate]."

    "Victoria Divina, te hoc vino inferio ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti
    sies volens propitia mihi et Senatui Novae Romae

    [Holy Victory, in offering humble wine to you I pray good prayers, so that
    you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate of Nova Roma]."

    I pour a libation to Victoria.

    Victoria Divina, te hoc vino inferio ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
    volens propitia nobis, Senatui populi Novae Romae, Quiritibus.

    Holy Victory, in offering to You this small portion of wine I pray good
    prayers, in order that You may willingly be propitious to us the Senate of
    the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites.

    "Victoria Divina, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino
    inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio

    [Holy Victory, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this
    humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]"

    Ex hoc ego Senatum populi Novae Romae convoco

    I hereby declare the Senate of the Republic of Nova Roma convened.


    M*CVR*COMPLVTENSIS
    Consul
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60294 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-01-01
    Subject: Oath of Office Quaestor
    M. Valerius Potitus omnibus SPD.

    Salvete, omnes. This morning I took the oath of office as quaestor
    within the ritual below.

    May all the Gods and Goddesses of Rome favor us!


    1. The celebrant approaches the altar. He covers his head. He calls on
    the Genius Loci.

    I call upon the Genius Loci, the Lar of this place, that he or she
    will allow me to worship here. Lar of this place, mighty Numen, I
    offer you this wine (pours wine on the ground), asking your permission
    to use this place for my sacrifice.

    2. He calls on the Gods.

    Iane pater, te hoc turo [hoc vino] commovenda bonas preces precor, uti
    sies volens propitius nobis.

    Iove pater, te hoc turo [hoc vino] commovenda bonas preces precor, uti
    sies volens propitius nobis.

    As he names the Gods, he offers incense.

    I call upon the Gods of Rome, that they will favor me with their
    presence as I take my oath of office. In particular, I invoke the Lord
    and Lady of the strong foundations of the earth (touches the ground),
    guardians of oaths and guardians of the gens Valeria, Dis Pater and
    his most fair spouse Proserpina. Further, I invoke Vesta Mater,
    Mercurius, Mars, Venus, Minerva, Iuno Regina, and Iuppiter Optimus
    Maximus. Attend, all ye Gods and Goddesses of Rome. Receive this
    offering of wine (pours wine on the focus) and bless me with your
    presence.

    4. He calls on the Ancestors. As he names the ancestors, he offers
    incense.

    I call upon the honored and revered ancestors of the gens Valeria:

    Volusus Propater
    Publius Poplicola
    Marcus Potitus
    Manlius Maximus
    Lucius Potitus
    Lucius Potitus
    Gaius Potitus
    Lucius Potitus
    Publius Potitus
    Gaius Potitus
    Gaius Potitus vel Flaccus
    Lucius Potitus
    Marcus Potitus Maximus
    And all the ancestors.

    Favor me with your presence as I take my oath of office.

    Reading from Plutarch's Poplicola

    Publius Valerius Poplicola was honoured likewise for the law touching
    the treasury; for because it was necessary for the citizens to
    contribute out of their estates to the maintenance of wars, and he was
    unwilling himself to be concerned in the care of it, or to permit his
    friends or indeed to let the public money pass into any private house,
    he allotted the temple of Saturn for the treasury, in which to this
    day they deposit the tribute-money, and granted the people the liberty
    of choosing two young men as quaestors.

    Ancestors of the gens Valeria, I stand before you this day, and offer
    incense to your memories. Be pleased to receive my deeds and this
    quaestorship to your honor and the honor of the gens Valeria.

    4. He calls on Sol, the patron of the oppidum.

    Te Sol invoco, qui flammigeris mundum conplexus habenis volvis
    inexhausto redeuntia saecula motu, sparge diem meliore coma, crinemque
    repexi blandius elato surgant temone iugales efflantes roseum frenis
    spumantibus ignis.

    Alme Sol, curru nitido, diem qui promis et celas aliusque, et idem
    nasceris, lucidum caeli decus, lux inmensi publica mundi, pateant
    aures tuae precibus supplicantium.

    Sol pater, te hoc turo commovenda bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
    propitius nobis.

    5. Oath of Office

    i. Ego, Marcus Valerius Potitus, hac re ipsa decus Nouae Romae me
    defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Nouae Romae acturum esse
    sollemniter iuro.

    ii. Ego, Marcus Valerius Potitus, officio quaestoris Nouae Romae
    accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae uitae publicae temporibus
    culturum, et uirtutes Romanas publica priuataque uita me persecuturum
    esse iuro.

    iii. Ego, Marcus Valerius Potitus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et
    eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum
    esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

    iv. Ego, Marcus Valerius Potitus, officiis muneris quaestoris me quam
    optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

    v. Meo ciuis Nouae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani,
    et uoluntate fauoreque eorum, ego munus quaestoris una cum iuribus,
    priuilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.


    I, Stephen Moore, known as Marcus Valerius Potitus, do hereby solemnly
    swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
    interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

    As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Stephen Moore, known as Marcus
    Valerius Potitus, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my
    public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
    private life.

    I, Stephen Moore, known as Marcus Valerius Potitus, swear to uphold
    and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
    swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
    State Religion.

    I, Stephen Moore, known as Marcus Valerius Potitus, swear to protect
    and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

    I, Stephen Moore, known as Marcus Valerius Potitus, further swear to
    fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of quaestor
    to the best of my abilities.

    On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
    and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
    accept the position of quaestor and all the rights, privileges,
    obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

    6. Prayer to Ianus

    Iane pater, deus novi initii, custos futuri et praeteriti temporis
    sanctissime, his Kalendis Ianuariis anni novi nunc incepti te precor,
    quaesoque: uti laetitiam fortunamque, omnes eventus bonos fautosque,
    fortunatos felicissimosque, pacem concordiamque societati Novae Romae
    familiaeque meae tribuas; utique sis volens propitius Novis Romanis,
    amicis meis, mihi, domo, familiae!"

    7. Piaculum

    Iove Pater et omnes Numina, si quidquam vobis in hac aut ulla
    caerimonia displicet, hoc ture veniam peto et vitium meum expio.



    8. He closes by saying

    Sol Pater, I thank you for your presence here today. Watch over the
    Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, and over me and my family in this new year.

    Iove Pater, Iuno Regina, Minerva, and all the gods, I thank you for
    your presence here today. Watch over the Republic of Nova Roma, and
    over me and my family in this new year.

    Dis Pater et Proserpina, I thank you for your presence here today.
    Guard the gens Valeria, and me and my family in this new year.

    Ancestors of the gens Valeria, I thank you for your presence here
    today. Be pleased to receive my deeds and this quaestorship to your
    honor and the honor of the gens Valeria.

    Quod bonum, faustum, felixque sit.
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60295 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-01
    Subject: Oath of office as Praetor
    Gn. Equitius Marinus Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit:

    Ego, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
    defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse
    sollemniter IVRO.

    Ego, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, officio Praetoris Novae Romae accepto, deos
    deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et
    virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

    Ego, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam
    defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne
    quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

    Ego, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus officiis muneris Praetoris me quam optime
    functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

    Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
    voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Praetoris una cum iuribus,
    privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

    Datum sub manum mea, Kal. Ian. MMDCCLXII ab urbe condita
    Marco Curiato Complutensio Marco Iulio Severo Consulibus

    =============================================================

    I, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus (William C. Gawne) do hereby solemnly swear
    to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
    interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

    As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus (William C.
    Gawne) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
    dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

    I, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus (William C. Gawne) swear to uphold and defend
    the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
    act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

    I, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus (William C. Gawne) swear to protect and
    defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

    I, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus (William C. Gawne) further swear to fulfill
    the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor to the best
    of my abilities.

    On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
    and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
    accept the position of Censor and all the rights, privileges,
    obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

    Given under my hand this first day of January, 2762 a.u.c. in the
    Consulship of Marcus Curiatius Complutensius and Marcus Iulius Severus

    Gn. Equitius Marinus
    Praetor, Novae Romae
    Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60296 From: Complutensis Date: 2009-01-01
    Subject: EDICTUM CONSULAREM CURIATI-IULII I DE CREATIONE ACCENSORUM
    Attachments :
      Ex hoc:
      * K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
      * Cn. Equitius Marinus
      * Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
      * T. Iulius Sabinus
      * C. Iulius Adventor
      * C. Cocceius Spinula
      * K. Fabius Buteo Modianus
      * P. Constantinus Placidus
      * M. Lucretius Agricola
      * L. Iulia Aquila
      * M. Octavius Corvus
      accensae et accensi creantur.
      Nullum ius iurandum poscetur. Hoc edictum statim valet.
      Datum sub manu nostra Kal. Ian. M. Curiatio M. Iulio consulibus, in anno
      a.U.c MMDCCLXII.

      By this edict, we the consuls both appoint citizens:
      * K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
      * Cn. Equitius Marinus
      * Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
      * T. Iulius Sabinus
      * C. Iulius Adventor
      * C. Cocceius Spinula
      * K. Fabius Buteo Modianus
      * P. Constantinus Placidus
      * M. Lucretius Agricola
      * L. Iulia Aquila
      * M. Octavius Corvus
      as accensii of joint Consular Cohort together with all the obligations and
      privileges prescribed by the laws of Nova Roma.
      No oath shall be required. This edict takes effect immediately.
      Given under our hands this first day of January 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009) in the
      consulships of M. Curiatius and M. Iulius.

      Por este edicto, nosotros los consules, nombramos a los siguientes
      ciudadanos:
      * K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
      * Cn. Equitius Marinus
      * Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
      * T. Iulius Sabinus
      * C. Iulius Adventor
      * C. Cocceius Spinula
      * K. Fabius Buteo Modianus
      * P. Constantinus Placidus
      * M. Lucretius Agricola
      * L. Iulia Aquila
      * M. Octavius Corvus
      accensii de nuestra Cohorte Consular.
      No se requiere juramento. Este edicto será efectivo inmediatamente.
      Dado por nuestras manos en este primer dia de Enero de 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009)
      en el consulado de M. Curiatius and M. Iulius.

      Per questo editto, noi i consoli, nominiamo i seguenti cittadini:
      * K. Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
      * Cn. Equitius Marinus
      * Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
      * T. Iulius Sabinus
      * C. Iulius Adventor
      * C. Cocceius Spinula
      * K. Fabius Buteo Modianus
      * P. Constantinus Placidus
      * M. Lucretius Agricola
      * L. Iulia Aquila
      * M. Octavius Corvus
      accensii della nostra Cohorte Consolare.
      Non é riciesto giuramento. Questo editto sará efettivo inmediatamente.
      Dato il primo giorno di Gennaio 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009) nel consulato di M.
      Curiatius and M. Iulius.




      M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
      M·IVL·SEVERUS
      Consules Novae Romae
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60297 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-01-01
      Subject: Iusiurandum quaestoris C. Petronii Dextri.
      C. Petronius Dexter omnibus Quiritibus s.p.d.,

      "I, C. Petronius Dexter (Jean - François Arnoud), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

      As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, C. Petronius Dexter, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

      I, C. Petronius Dexter, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

      I, C. Petronius Dexter, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

      I, C. Petronius Dexter, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of quæstor to the best of my abilities.
      On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of quæstor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto."

      ---------------------------------------------

      "Ego, C. Petronius Dexter (Jean - François Arnoud) , hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

      Ego, C. Petronius Dexter officio quæstoris Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

      Ego, C. Petronius Dexter, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

      Ego, C. Petronius Dexter officiis muneris  quæstoris me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

      Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus quæstoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO".
       
      Kalendis Ianuariis, bis millesimo septingentesimo sexagesimo secundo (MMDCCLXII) anno Vrbis conditae,
      M.Curiatio. M. Iulio consulibus.

      Valete.

      C. Petronius Dexter Quæstor
      Flamen Portunalis
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60298 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-01
      Subject: IANUS SACRIFICE FOR THE NEW YEAR - Kalends of January, 2752 AUC
      Cn. Cornelius Lentulus pontifex consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis et omnibus Quiritibus s. p. d.


      + + + BONUM FAUSTUM FELICEM FORTUNATUM ANNUM NOVUM MMDCCLXII + + +


      Happy, prosperous, propitious and blessed New Year! The Kalends of Januray, the holiday of Father Ianus, is celebrated today. The celebration of the Beginning of the Beginnings. May Father Ianus bless you all.

      You will find a ritual to Father Ianus I as pontifex conducted before my home altar. In one of my previous messages you could find a shorter version, too, for every Nova Roman citizen: you can use that prayer at your lararium during the following days.

      FESTIVE RITUALS AND SACRIFICES

      I have send you two rituals, but here below you'll find one ritual. One of the two rituals is that I've conducted before my home altar as a pontifex; you, too, can use this one if you are another pontifex or flamen or higher magistrate. But I've created another, shorter and simpler one, for ordinary citizens of Nova Roma. I wish as many of you as possible use that in your regular daily lararium prayers in January. That other one was posted yesterday.


      SACRIFICE TO FATHER IANUS FOR THE KALENDS OF JANUARY, BEGINNING OF 2762 AUC, THE CONSULATE OF M. CURATIUS AND M. IULIUS


      Favete linguis!

      (Beginning of the sacrifice.)

      PRAEFATIO

      Iane pater, deus novi initii,
      te hoc ture commovendo
      bonas preces precor,
      uti sies volens propitius
      Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
      mihi, domo, familiae!

      (Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

      Iane pater, deus novi initii,
      uti te ture commovendo
      bonas preces precatus sum,
      eiusdem rei ergo
      macte vino inferio esto!

      (Libation of wine is made.)

      PRECATIO

      Iane pater, deus novi initii,
      custos futuri et praeteriti temporis sanctissime,
      his Kalendis Ianuariis anni novi nunc incepti
      te precor, veneror, detestorque quaesoque:
      uti laetitiam fortunamque,
      omnes eventus bonos fautosque,
      fortunatos felicissimosque,
      pacem concordiamque constantem
      societati Novae Romae tribuas;
      utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
      confirmes, augeas, adiuves,
      omnibusque inceptibus conatibusque Populi Novi Romani Quiritium faveas,
      utique sies volens propitius Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
      omnibus civibus, viris et mulieribus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
      mihi, domo, familiae!

      SACRIFICIUM

      Quarum rerum ergo macte
      hoc libo libando,
      hoc vino libando,
      hoc ture ommovendo
      esto fito volens propitius
      Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
      omnibus civibus, viris et mulierbus, pueris et puellabus Novis Romanis,
      mihi, domo, familiae!

      (Libum is sacrificed, libation is made and incense is sacrificed.)

      REDDITIO

      "Iane pater, deus novi initii,
      uti te ture commovendo
      et vino libando,
      et libo libando,
      bonas preces precatus sum,
      earundem rerum ergo
      macte vino inferio esto!

      (Libation of wine is made)

      Ilicet!

      (End of the sacrifice.)

      PIACULUM

      Iane,
      Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva,
      Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
      si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicuit,
      hoc vino inferio
      veniam peto
      et vitium meum expio.

      (Libation of wine is made.)


      + + + BONUM FAUSTUM FELICEM FORTUNATUM ANNUM NOVUM MMDCCLXII + + +


      Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
      P O N T I F E X
      SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
      ------------------------------------------
      Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
      Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
      Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
      Accensus Consulum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
      Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
      -------------------------------------------
      Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
      Dominus Factionis Russatae
      Latinista, Classicus Philologus
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60299 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-01
      Subject: Edictum Lentuli XII. about the Millennial Jubilee Years of the 2000t
      PREAMBLE
      The Roman province of Pannonia was established between 9 and 10 CE. In the year 9 CE, the legions of Imperator Caesar Augustus conquered Pannonia, so Pannonia Provincia now celebrates the 2000th anniversary of its foundation. As governor of the Nova Roman Provincia Pannonia, I declare the years 2762-2763 AUC (2009-2010) the MILLENNIAL JUBELEE YEARS OF THE 2000th ANNIVERSARY OF PANNONIA.

      - ANGOL VÁLTOZAT

      EDICTUM XII. LEGATI PRO PRAETORE PANNONIAE

      Edictum XII. Legati Pro Praetore Cn. Cornelii Lentuli de annis sacris millennaribus Pannoniae

      Edictum XI. of Legatus Pro Praetore Cn. Cornelius Lentulus about the Millennial Jubilee Years of the 2000th Anniversary of Pannonia:

      I. - I hereby officially declare the years 2762-2763 AUC (2009-2010) the MILLENNIAL JUBELEE YEARS OF THE 2000th ANNIVERSARY OF PANNONIA.

      II. - During these Jubilee Years celebration, promotion and study of the Roman province of Pannonia, its history, especially its founding is a high priority in the provincial activities.

      III. - The provincial priests shall perform rituals for the Nova Roman Provincia Pannonia on every Kalends.

      IV. - Additional rituals will be required according to the possibilities, including some big public celebrations.

      VI. - This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

      Given the 1st of January, anno MMDCCLXII. AUC.
      In the 2000th year of Pannonia.

      Datum est Kal. Ian. M. Curiatio Complutense et M. Iulio Sabino consulibus,
      anno MMDCCLXII. AUC.
      Anno 2000. Pannoniae.

      Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
      LEGATUS PRO PRAETORE
      PROVINCIAE PANNONIAE
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60300 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-01
      Subject: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!
      Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae consulibus, praetoribus, senatui populoque Novo Romano s. p. d.


      I have issued an edict about the Millennial Jubilee Years of the 2000th Anniversary of Pannonia.

      Pannonia is 2000 years old from now, and I would like to ask the new magistrates and the Senate of Nova Roma to support this endeavor during this year, and help us, Pannonians, to commemorate the 2000 years of the Roman Pannonia.

      Curate uti valeatis vos, et res publica valeat!

      Bonum, felicem, faustum, fortunatum annum 2762 AUC, ET ANNIVERSARIUM 2000 PANNONIAE PROVINCIAE!!!


      Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
      Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Provinciae
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60301 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-01
      Subject: OPENING RITUAL: Millennial Jubilee Years of the 2000th Anniversary o
      Cn. Lentulus, legatus pro praetore Pannoniae, pontifex, sacerdos Pannoniae Quiritibus Pannoniis et consulibus, praetoribus, tribunis plebis, senatuique et omnibus s. p. d.


      Pannonia has started its 2000th year today, and this has been the opening ceremony at my home. This has been the ritual for the New Year of the Nova Roman Pannonia, and for the 2000th year of Pannonia, for the future of our province:


      SACRIFICIVM KALENDARVM IANVARIARVM ANNI MMDCCLXII AVC ANNIVERSARII BIS MILLESIMI PANNONIAE PROVINCIAE CONDITAE


      +++ The Jubilee Year is opened! +++


      - INVOCATIO of all the gods:

      Iane,
      Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
      Dea Pannonia,
      Quirine, Venus, Vesta, Mercuri, Concordia, Fortuna!
      Penates, Lares,
      di Novensiles, dique Indigetes,
      omnes divi quocumque nomine,
      quorum est potestas nostrum hostiumque,
      dique Manes!

      - GRATVLATIO to all the gods:

      Vos quaeso precorque,
      uti vos praeteriti proxime anni Kalendis Ianuariis
      bonis precibus bene precatus sum,
      quibusque uti precibus satisfecistis:
      earundem rerum ergo propterque omnia in praeteritis MM annis
      Provinciae Pannoniae data beneficia
      macte hoc ture ommovendo,
      hoc vino libando,
      hoc libo libando
      estote fitote volentes propitii!

      # After these words incense, libum and wine were sacrificied. #

      - PRECATIO of all the gods:

      Quarum rerum ergo, quodque melius siet
      renascenti Populo Romano Quiritibus,
      mihi, domo, familiae
      hisce Kalendis Ianuuariis nunc incepto novo anno
      bis millesimi anniversarii Pannoniae Provinciae conditae:
      vobis sacrum fiat:

      Vos precor, veneror, veniam peto feroque,
      uti Res Nostra, Res Romae in Pannonia reficiundae,
      regignundi ac renascentis Populi Romani Quiritium,
      Reique Publicae Populi Romani Quiritium renaturae
      semper crescat, convalescat, continenter extendatur, augeatur;
      fiantque in Pannonia multo plures Novi Romani Quirites;
      motusque et consociatio ad Rem Romanam reficiundam in Pannonia instituatur;
      utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat;
      atque hoc anno anniversario bis millesimo Pannoniae Provinciae conditae convalescat;
      utique Provincia Pannonia, cuius legatus pro praetore sum, crescat,
      multosque cives habeat,
      atque hoc anno anniversario bis millesimo convalescat;
      utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
      Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
      mihi, domo, familiae
      omnes in hodie incepto novo anno eventus bonos faustosque esse siritis;
      utique sitis volentes propitii Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
      Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
      Provinciaeque Pannoniae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
      mihi, domo, familiae!

      - INVOCATIO & PRECATIO of the single gods:

      Iuppiter Optime Maxime,
      earundem rerum ergo te precor quaesoque,
      uti sies volens propitius Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
      Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
      Provinciaeque Pannoniae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
      mihi, domo, familiae!

      Quirine, Dea Pannonia, Dea Roma, Venus Genetrix, Mars,
      Penates, Lares, Manes maiorum nostrum,
      omnes di quocumque nomine, qui Romam et Pannoniam Romanam favetis favebatis,
      earundem rerum ergo vos precor quaesoque,
      uti fiant multo plures Pannonii Novi Romani Quirites;
      utique ex societate Novae Romae verus motus et consociatio in Pannonia fieri possit,
      ex qua Populus Romanus Quiritium
      Resque Publica Populi Romani Quiritium renascatur;
      utique Novae Romae Societas Pannonia in Hungaria magni momenti fiat
      hoc anno anniversario bis millesimo Pannoniae Provinciae conditae!

      Deae Iuno et Vesta,
      earundem rerum ergo vos precor quaesoque,
      uti domos familiasque in Pannonia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
      domum familiamque meam protegatis, curetis, custodiatis;
      utique domos familiasque Populi Novi Romani Quiritium,
      domum familiamque meam ab omnibus malis conservetis!

      - SACRIFICIUM COMMUNE

      Sicut verba nuncupavi, quae ita faxitis, uti ego me sentio dicere:
      harum rerum ergo macte
      his tribus libis libandis
      hoc vino lacte melleque mixto libando,
      hoc ture ommovendo
      estote fitote in hodie incepto novo anno
      anniversarii bis millesimi Pannoniae Provinciae
      volentes propitii renascenti Populo Romano Quiritibus,
      Pannoniae Provinciae,
      mihi, domo, familiae!

      # After these words three cakes, a glass of wine,
      and incense were sacrificied.#


      ILICET!
      ----------------------------------------------------

      +::F:E:L:I:C:I:T:E:R::I:N::MMDCCLXII::A:N:N:O::+


      VIVAT PANNONIA ANNORUM MM!!!


      Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
      P O N T I F E X
      SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
      ------------------------------------------
      Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
      Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
      Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
      Accensus Consulum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
      Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
      -------------------------------------------
      Magister Sodalitatis Latinitatis
      Dominus Factionis Russatae
      Latinista, Classicus Philologus
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60302 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-01
      Subject: Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!
      Memmius Pr. Leg. pp. Pannoniae s.d.

      You have my whole support, dear Lentule, you and your whole
      provincial team!

      Vale bene,


      P. Memmius Albucius
      praetor



      --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
      <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
      >
      > Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae consulibus,
      praetoribus, senatui populoque Novo Romano s. p. d.
      >
      >
      > I have issued an edict about the Millennial Jubilee Years of the
      2000th Anniversary of Pannonia.
      >
      > Pannonia is 2000 years old from now, and I would like to ask the
      new magistrates and the Senate of Nova Roma to support this endeavor
      during this year, and help us, Pannonians, to commemorate the 2000
      years of the Roman Pannonia.
      >
      > Curate uti valeatis vos, et res publica valeat!
      >
      > Bonum, felicem, faustum, fortunatum annum 2762 AUC, ET
      ANNIVERSARIUM 2000 PANNONIAE PROVINCIAE!!!
      >
      >
      > Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
      > Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Provinciae
      >
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60303 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-01
      Subject: Quaestor Oath of Office
      Ego, Quintus Valerius Poplicola (C. M. Weimer), hac re ipsa
      decus Nouae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque
      Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

      Ego, Quintus Valerius Poplicola (C. M. Weimer), officio Quaestor Nouae
      Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae uitae publicae
      temporibus culturum, et uirtutes Romanas publica priuataque uita me
      persecuturum esse iuro.

      Ego, Quintus Valerius Poplicola (C. M. Weimer), Religioni
      Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum
      publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

      Ego, Quintus Valerius Poplicola (C. M. Weimer), officiis muneris
      Quaestor me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

      Meo civis Nouae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
      uoluntate fauoreque eorum, ego munus Quaestor una cum iuribus,
      priuilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

      Hoc signaui Kalendis Ianuariis MMDCCLXII annis AUC M. Complutense et
      M. Seuero cos.

      I, Quintus Valerius Poplicola (C. M. Weimer), do hereby solemnly swear
      to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
      interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

      As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Valerius Poplicola (C. M.
      Weimer), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
      dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

      I, Quintus Valerius Poplicola (C. M. Weimer), swear to uphold and
      defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
      never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State
      Religion.

      I, Quintus Valerius Poplicola (C. M. Weimer), swear to protect and
      defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

      I, Quintus Valerius Poplicola (C. M. Weimer), further swear to fulfill
      the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the
      best of my abilities.

      On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
      Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
      do I, Quintus Valerius Poplicola (C. M. Weimer), accept the position
      of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
      responsibilities attendant thereto.

      I have submitted this on the Kalends of January 2762 years from the
      founding of the City with Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus
      Iulius Severus as consuls.
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60304 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-01
      Subject: Re: Oath of Office Quaestor
      Very well said, cousin Potitus! I too revere our great P. Poplicola!
      I'm hoping to have his wax imago made and placed in my domus. It's
      also good to see two Valerii as quaestors!

      Bonum dictu, frater Potite! Ego quoque nostrum P. Poplicolam ueneror.
      Expecto in mea domo imaginem fieri atque poneri. Et placet uidere duos
      quaestores Valeriorum!

      --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Moore" <astrobear@...> wrote:
      >
      > M. Valerius Potitus omnibus SPD.
      >
      > Salvete, omnes. This morning I took the oath of office as quaestor
      > within the ritual below.
      >
      > May all the Gods and Goddesses of Rome favor us!
      >
      >
      > 1. The celebrant approaches the altar. He covers his head. He calls on
      > the Genius Loci.
      >
      > I call upon the Genius Loci, the Lar of this place, that he or she
      > will allow me to worship here. Lar of this place, mighty Numen, I
      > offer you this wine (pours wine on the ground), asking your permission
      > to use this place for my sacrifice.
      >
      > 2. He calls on the Gods.
      >
      > Iane pater, te hoc turo [hoc vino] commovenda bonas preces precor, uti
      > sies volens propitius nobis.
      >
      > Iove pater, te hoc turo [hoc vino] commovenda bonas preces precor, uti
      > sies volens propitius nobis.
      >
      > As he names the Gods, he offers incense.
      >
      > I call upon the Gods of Rome, that they will favor me with their
      > presence as I take my oath of office. In particular, I invoke the Lord
      > and Lady of the strong foundations of the earth (touches the ground),
      > guardians of oaths and guardians of the gens Valeria, Dis Pater and
      > his most fair spouse Proserpina. Further, I invoke Vesta Mater,
      > Mercurius, Mars, Venus, Minerva, Iuno Regina, and Iuppiter Optimus
      > Maximus. Attend, all ye Gods and Goddesses of Rome. Receive this
      > offering of wine (pours wine on the focus) and bless me with your
      > presence.
      >
      > 4. He calls on the Ancestors. As he names the ancestors, he offers
      > incense.
      >
      > I call upon the honored and revered ancestors of the gens Valeria:
      >
      > Volusus Propater
      > Publius Poplicola
      > Marcus Potitus
      > Manlius Maximus
      > Lucius Potitus
      > Lucius Potitus
      > Gaius Potitus
      > Lucius Potitus
      > Publius Potitus
      > Gaius Potitus
      > Gaius Potitus vel Flaccus
      > Lucius Potitus
      > Marcus Potitus Maximus
      > And all the ancestors.
      >
      > Favor me with your presence as I take my oath of office.
      >
      > Reading from Plutarch's Poplicola
      >
      > Publius Valerius Poplicola was honoured likewise for the law touching
      > the treasury; for because it was necessary for the citizens to
      > contribute out of their estates to the maintenance of wars, and he was
      > unwilling himself to be concerned in the care of it, or to permit his
      > friends or indeed to let the public money pass into any private house,
      > he allotted the temple of Saturn for the treasury, in which to this
      > day they deposit the tribute-money, and granted the people the liberty
      > of choosing two young men as quaestors.
      >
      > Ancestors of the gens Valeria, I stand before you this day, and offer
      > incense to your memories. Be pleased to receive my deeds and this
      > quaestorship to your honor and the honor of the gens Valeria.
      >
      > 4. He calls on Sol, the patron of the oppidum.
      >
      > Te Sol invoco, qui flammigeris mundum conplexus habenis volvis
      > inexhausto redeuntia saecula motu, sparge diem meliore coma, crinemque
      > repexi blandius elato surgant temone iugales efflantes roseum frenis
      > spumantibus ignis.
      >
      > Alme Sol, curru nitido, diem qui promis et celas aliusque, et idem
      > nasceris, lucidum caeli decus, lux inmensi publica mundi, pateant
      > aures tuae precibus supplicantium.
      >
      > Sol pater, te hoc turo commovenda bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
      > propitius nobis.
      >
      > 5. Oath of Office
      >
      > i. Ego, Marcus Valerius Potitus, hac re ipsa decus Nouae Romae me
      > defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Nouae Romae acturum esse
      > sollemniter iuro.
      >
      > ii. Ego, Marcus Valerius Potitus, officio quaestoris Nouae Romae
      > accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae uitae publicae temporibus
      > culturum, et uirtutes Romanas publica priuataque uita me persecuturum
      > esse iuro.
      >
      > iii. Ego, Marcus Valerius Potitus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et
      > eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum
      > esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.
      >
      > iv. Ego, Marcus Valerius Potitus, officiis muneris quaestoris me quam
      > optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.
      >
      > v. Meo ciuis Nouae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani,
      > et uoluntate fauoreque eorum, ego munus quaestoris una cum iuribus,
      > priuilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
      >
      >
      > I, Stephen Moore, known as Marcus Valerius Potitus, do hereby solemnly
      > swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
      > interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
      >
      > As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Stephen Moore, known as Marcus
      > Valerius Potitus, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my
      > public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
      > private life.
      >
      > I, Stephen Moore, known as Marcus Valerius Potitus, swear to uphold
      > and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
      > swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
      > State Religion.
      >
      > I, Stephen Moore, known as Marcus Valerius Potitus, swear to protect
      > and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
      >
      > I, Stephen Moore, known as Marcus Valerius Potitus, further swear to
      > fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of quaestor
      > to the best of my abilities.
      >
      > On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
      > and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
      > accept the position of quaestor and all the rights, privileges,
      > obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
      >
      > 6. Prayer to Ianus
      >
      > Iane pater, deus novi initii, custos futuri et praeteriti temporis
      > sanctissime, his Kalendis Ianuariis anni novi nunc incepti te precor,
      > quaesoque: uti laetitiam fortunamque, omnes eventus bonos fautosque,
      > fortunatos felicissimosque, pacem concordiamque societati Novae Romae
      > familiaeque meae tribuas; utique sis volens propitius Novis Romanis,
      > amicis meis, mihi, domo, familiae!"
      >
      > 7. Piaculum
      >
      > Iove Pater et omnes Numina, si quidquam vobis in hac aut ulla
      > caerimonia displicet, hoc ture veniam peto et vitium meum expio.
      >
      >
      >
      > 8. He closes by saying
      >
      > Sol Pater, I thank you for your presence here today. Watch over the
      > Oppidum Fluminis Gilae, and over me and my family in this new year.
      >
      > Iove Pater, Iuno Regina, Minerva, and all the gods, I thank you for
      > your presence here today. Watch over the Republic of Nova Roma, and
      > over me and my family in this new year.
      >
      > Dis Pater et Proserpina, I thank you for your presence here today.
      > Guard the gens Valeria, and me and my family in this new year.
      >
      > Ancestors of the gens Valeria, I thank you for your presence here
      > today. Be pleased to receive my deeds and this quaestorship to your
      > honor and the honor of the gens Valeria.
      >
      > Quod bonum, faustum, felixque sit.
      >
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60305 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-01
      Subject: Oath of Office - information
      P. Memmius Albucius praetor omnibus magistratibus s.d.

      I have created a thematical legal page in our Tabularium at:

      http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Oath_of_office_%28Nova_Roma%29

      on the oath of office.

      In this frame, I draw your attention, if you have not done it
      already, to publish your oath at least in *two* public lists, i.e.
      another one, in addition of this Forum (ML).

      You will also see that the English version of our oath is the only
      legal one. Our Latin one, for your information, needs some fixing for
      it, inter alia, has... just forgotten the paragraph relative to the
      respect of our Constitution (!). I have recommanded our consules that
      we take the opportunity inserting a corrected version in Lex Iunia
      text, in order to give it an official character.


      Valete Magistratus,


      P. Memmius Albucius
      praetor
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60306 From: M•IVL•SEVERVS Date: 2009-01-01
      Subject: Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!
      Severus Cos. Lentulo Leg. pp. Pannoniae s.d.

      You also have my full support, amice.
      Let us rejoice with our Pannonian brothers and sisters!
       
      Vale, et valete optime

      M•IVL•SEVERVS
      CONSVL•NOVÆ•ROMÆ

      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60307 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: Happy New Year!!!!
      Priscus Omnibus sal,

      From the Curatores and the members of the Societas Via Romana, we wish
      the Citizens of Nova Roma a very Happy New Year!

      Optime Valete,

      Quintus Servilius Priscus, Curator
      Valerius Claudius Iohannes, Curator
      Marcus Lupinius Paulus, Curator
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60308 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: Kalendis Ianuariis Iunoni Libatio
      Q Caecilius Metellus Quiritibus salutem dicit.

      Saluete,

      Kalendae Ianuariae, ut kalendae omnes, Iunoni sacrae. Antiquitate Regina
      Sacrorum (uel Sacrificula) Iunoni apud Regiam polluxerit. Tempore nostro, cum
      sine Rege Reginaque Sacrorum simus, utriusque munera ad Collegium Pontificum
      feruntur. Hodie ergo Iunoni libationem polluxi, ut rem publicam custodiat.
      Nuntiare auspicia mala nulla uisa mihi lubet et in toto libatio sine uitio
      facta.

      Di nos custodiant!

      Quintus Caecilius Metellus
      Pontifex
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60309 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: Re: Custodes et Diribitors
      Avete;

      I am no longer the owner of the Suffragia list, I have turned over the
      keys to L Salix Cicero Custode, as he has given his oath of office.
      I trust that he will enlist the rest of you by invitation or by
      approving a request as soon as Oaths are given.

      To my Colleagues of the past year...I wish Nemo Custode had been more
      active, but I understand his absense ,-)

      The Diribitorial Council: Gaius Aemilius Crassus, Sextus Postumius
      Albus, Gaius Iulius Adventor, et Marcus Martianius Lupus...the
      election would have been a complete disaster, rather than just run
      slowly, without their honest, honorable and workmanlike efforts.

      To the People and Magistrates, in the coming year, we will have new
      elections, some soon, some unexpected and the general election at the
      end of the year.

      Please keep two things in mind. The Magistrates are all volunteers
      who have full lives in which they fit the duties and obligations they
      have assumed. Also remember how widespread they, who charged to work
      together may be, and have patience in light of legal time constraints.

      Thank you all once again for your support, I look forward to a year of
      just taking my ease on a bench in the Senate.

      =========================================
      In amicitia et fides -
      Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbatus
      Senator et Lictor
      Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
      Patrician, Paterfamilias

      Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

      Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

      http://www.myspace.com/venator_poetus
      http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
      http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
      http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
      --
      May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
      May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
      May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60310 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Custodes et Diribitors
      Lentulus Ullerio Venatori sal.:


      >>> To my Colleagues of the past year...I wish Nemo Custode had been more
      active, but I understand his absense ,-) <<<



      LOL!!! Thank you, you made me laugh, that was very good :)))

      Citizen Nemo is a very great and active person, he accepted not only custodeship last year, but he was aedilis curulis too, and so far he is functioning as both aedilis curulis and plebis.

      Consuls and Tribunes of the plesb, do not forget to replace Nemo as soon as possible ;)

      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60311 From: gaia.triaria Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: hello
      Salve,

      I'm new, i don't know, if i have to adressed to the censors or to whom,
      please if some could help me.

      thanks,

      Melissa
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60312 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: a. d. IIII Nonas Ianuarias: Dies ater; potens tribunicia
      Hodie est ante diem IIII Nonas Ianuarias; haec dies fastus aterque
      est:

      Dies ater

      "Dies POSTRIDUANI: These are the days following after all the
      Kalendae, Nonae and Idus of each month. They are, in general terms,
      dies fasti (F), but they are days of ill-omen for beginning private
      activities, business or journeys. Public worship is explicitly
      forbidden."

      "All religious ceremonies are private but without sacrifices. No one
      should invoke a God or Goddess by name while indoors, and no
      celestial God or Goddess should be invoked by name while outdoors. It
      is not fitting to offer sacrifice to the spirits of the dead on dies
      atri either, because in such ceremonies it is necessary to call upon
      Janus and Jove, whom it is not right to call upon on dies atri.
      Making journeys, starting new projects, or doing anything risky
      should be avoided."

      The explanation that was traditionally given for the dies atres was
      that sacrifices offered before battle on these days had always led to
      disasters.

      "Verrius Flaccus, in the fourth book of his work De Verborum
      Significatu writes that the days immediately following the Kalends,
      Nones, and Ides, which the vulgar ignorantly declare to be nefastus,
      are properly called and considered ill-omened for this reason: When
      the City, he says, had been recovered from the Senonian Gauls, Lucius
      Atilius stated in the Senate that Quintus Sulpicius, tribune of the
      soldiers, when on the eve of fighting against the Gauls at the Allia,
      offered sacrifice in anticipation of the battle on the day after the
      Ides; that the army of the Roman people was thereupon cut to pieces,
      and three days later the whole City, except the Capital, was taken.
      Also many other senators said that they remembered that whenever with
      a view to waging war a magistrate of the Roman people had sacrificed
      on the day after the Kalends, Nones, or Ides, in the very next battle
      of the war the State had suffered a disaster. Then the Senate
      referred the matter to the pontifices, that they might take what
      action they saw fit. The pontifices decreed that no sacrifice would
      properly be made on those days." ~ Gellius, Noctium Atticarum 5.17.1-2

      Plutarch offered a different reasoning, one based in Pythagorean
      numerology (Rom. Ques. 25). Although not directly related to Romn
      practice, he did express an idea held by Romans in a different
      way. "The odd numbers," he said, "are determinate, completing, and
      perfect." Or as Ovid put it, "odd numbers are pleasing to the Gods."
      In contrast "the even numbers are imperfect, incomplete, and
      indeterminate." In performing Roman ritual an altar would be wound
      with woolen fillets three times, or in multiples of three, to signify
      its purification. Offerings of ground grain were presented in three
      elongated piles; three cakes, or multiples of three, were offered;
      and in the consecration of a templum, a colonia, or a military camp
      the special sacrifice of the suotaurovilia offered a boar, a bull,
      and a ram, or a sow, a cow, and an ewe. Invocations were repeated
      towards three directions, just as at funeral rites when the deceased
      was called three times. In the Roman calendar nearly all festivals
      occur on odd numbered days, where the one example of a festival held
      for Mars may have special significance that it falls on an even
      numbered day. Odd numbers were connected with the Gods as being
      divine in origin, propitious and lucky. The Kalends, Nones, and Ides
      always fell on odd numbered days, and since these were considered the
      most propitious day of a month, it would seem to have naturally
      occurred to the Romans that the following days had to be less
      propitious, even ill-omened.


      AUC 730 / 23 BCE: Potens Tribunicia

      "When the Senate and the Roman people unanimously agreed that I
      should be elected overseer of laws and morals, without a colleague
      and with the fullest power, I refused to accept any power offered me
      which was contrary to the traditions of our ancestors. Those things
      which at that time the senate wished me to administer I carried out
      by virtue of my tribunician power." ~ Caesar Augustus, Res Gestae 1.6

      While the Senate had offered many honors and titles to Augustus, not
      all of which he accepted, the two most important were the
      title "imperator" and the "potens tribunicia." Emperors were
      called "imperator," according to Cassius Dio, "in token of their
      independent authority (53.17.4)." It was through his "potens
      tribunicia" that Augustus was able to exercise power over the entire
      state and civil administration. The combination of these and other
      privileges "secure the right to make levies, to collect funds,
      declare war, make peace, rule foreigners and citizens alike
      everywhere and always, — even to the extent of being able to put to
      death both knights and senators inside the pomerium, — and all the
      other privileges once granted to the consuls and other officials
      possessing independent authority; and by virtue of holding the
      censorship they investigate our lives and morals as well as take the
      census, enrolling some in the equestrian and senatorial classes and
      erasing the names of others from these classes, according to their
      will (ibid 53.17.5-7)." He was granted the potens tribunicia on 2
      January and they were renewed each year. It became the practice of
      extending the same powers to later emperors upon their ascension.
      Eventually it became customary to renew an emperor's potens
      tribunicia on 2 January each year in emulation of Augustus as the
      first emperor.


      For today's thought we turn to Epicurius, Vatican Sayings 1

      "A blessed and indestructible being has no trouble himself and brings
      no trouble upon any other being; so he is free from anger and
      partiality, for all such things imply weakness."
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60313 From: Complutensis Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: Re: hello

      Salve

       

      I have sent you a private  email about your citizenship.

       

      Vale bene

       

      M·CVR·COMPLVTENSIS
      Consul Novae Romae

      Senator
      Consul Hispaniae

      -----Mensaje original-----
      De: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de gaia.triaria
      Enviado el: viernes, 02 de enero de 2009 14:41
      Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
      Asunto: [Nova-Roma] hello

       

      Salve,

      I'm new, i don't know, if i have to adressed to the censors or to whom,
      please if some could help me.

      thanks,

      Melissa

      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60314 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: Roman Comic
      Salvete Omnes!

      http://spqrblues.com/

      Valete
      - Annia Minucia Marcella

      http://minucia.ciarin.com
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60315 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: C•ARM•RECCANELLVS - Quaestor Oath of Office
      Ego, Gaius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir Figueiredo Reccanello), hac
      re ipsa decus Nouae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo
      senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

      Ego, Gaius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir Figueiredo Reccanello),
      officio Quaestor Nouae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus
      meae uitae publicae temporibus culturum, et uirtutes Romanas publica
      priuataque uita me persecuturum esse iuro.

      Ego, Gaius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir Figueiredo Reccanello),
      Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra
      eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.

      Ego, Gaius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir Figueiredo Reccanello),
      officiis muneris Quaestor me quam optime functurum esse praeterea
      iuro.

      Meo civis Nouae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
      uoluntate fauoreque eorum, ego munus Quaestor una cum iuribus,
      priuilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

      Hoc signaui Postridie Kalendis Ianuariis MMDCCLXII annis AUC M.
      Complutense et M. Seuero cos.

      =========================

      I, Gaius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir Figueiredo Reccanello), do
      hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act
      always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova
      Roma.

      As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir
      Figueiredo Reccanello), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome
      in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public
      and private life.

      I, Gaius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir Figueiredo Reccanello), swear
      to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova
      Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status
      as the State Religion.

      I, Gaius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir Figueiredo Reccanello), swear
      to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

      I, Gaius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir Figueiredo Reccanello), further
      swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office
      of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.

      On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
      Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
      do I, Gaius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir Figueiredo Reccanello),
      accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges,
      obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

      I have submitted this on the Postridie Kalends of January 2762 years
      from the founding of the City with Marcus Curiatius Complutensis and
      Marcus Iulius Severus as consuls.

      Vale & Valete
      C•ARM•RECCANELLVS•MAIOR
      ======================
      QUAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
      "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60316 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pa
      T.Flavius Aquila Leg. pp. Pannoniae salutem plurimam dicit

      Congratulations to Pannonia and to its outstanding Legatus Pro Praetore Cn.Cornelius Lentulus , from the Provincia Germania !
      I hope for a very close cooperation between our provinces.

      Vale optime,

      Titus Flavius Aquila
      Quaestor
      Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania

       


      Von: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>
      An: Nova Roma ML <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
      Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 1. Januar 2009, 22:01:58 Uhr
      Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!

      Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae consulibus, praetoribus, senatui populoque Novo Romano s. p. d.

      I have issued an edict about the Millennial Jubilee Years of the 2000th Anniversary of Pannonia.

      Pannonia is 2000 years old from now, and I would like to ask the new magistrates and the Senate of Nova Roma to support this endeavor during this year, and help us, Pannonians, to commemorate the 2000 years of the Roman Pannonia.

      Curate uti valeatis vos, et res publica valeat!

      Bonum, felicem, faustum, fortunatum annum 2762 AUC, ET ANNIVERSARIUM 2000 PANNONIAE PROVINCIAE!! !

      Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
      Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Provinciae


      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60317 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: Re: hello
      Hello Melissa,

      You're welcome to ask me whatever you want about Nova Roma. Of course
      you can also ask our censors, but they're not the only people who can
      answer questions.

      You may wish to join the newroman mailing list, since it is designed
      to help new citizens getting started in Nova Roma.

      I hope that helps. Please let me know if there's anything more I can
      do for you.

      CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

      "gaia.triaria" <gaia.triaria@...> writes:

      > Salve,
      >
      > I'm new, i don't know, if i have to adressed to the censors or to whom,
      > please if some could help me.
      >
      > thanks,
      >
      > Melissa
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60318 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: About English Accents [discussion redirected from Comitia Curiata]
      Lentulus Gaudiali sal.


      >>>> I've found that my favorite British accent is whatever Margaret
      Thatcher uses. She sounds marvelous, and I know it's the way she normally speaks, wereas, with actors, I know their accents are quite often faked. <<<


      It is very interesting what you say. I went to the YouTube to search for a speech of Margaret Thatcher. And what I have found, a British parliament speech, was so exciting that I have spent 3 hours by reading articles about British politics, the procedures of the Parliament, the House of Commons and that of the Lords. This is the speech of Margaret Thatcher:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2f8nYMCO2I

      Recently a discussion about Roman culture was arisen. Well, this is something like Roman culture! British people is amazing: if you would like to find a political culture similar to that of the Romans, look at this YouTube video. This is like the Roman senate!

      There is an even better video, masterpiece of *senatorial* rhetoric, the amazing Roman feeling transpires from its each single moment:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpZhugomNJE&feature=related

      The last part of the speech of Tony Blaire is very impressive and effectual, I have found myself under the emotions he created repeating his words "weak, weak, weak!"

      If you want to understand the Roman mind and nature, learn about British people, Japanese people and Mediterranean nations of Romance languages, Italian, Spaniard, French and Portuguese people: the combination of them can show a similar character what Romans were like.



      --- Ven 2/1/09, Chantal Gaudiano <aerdensrw@...> ha scritto:
      Da: Chantal Gaudiano <aerdensrw@...>
      Oggetto: [NRComitiaCuriata] (unknown)
      A: NRComitiaCuriata@yahoogroups.com
      Data: Venerdì 2 gennaio 2009, 16:51

      My introduction to British English was the Cockney accent in 'My Fair Lady.'

      I have tried to maintain a kone (sp?) accent, but it is evident to people from the North (and to myself at times) that I come from Texas. I don't sound like the people on 'King of the Hill,' but it's still there. It's annoying to me, because I want to sound like the internal voice I hear when reading, which is unaccented American English. Sometimes I manage it, sometimes not.

      I've found that my favorite British accent is whatever Margaret Thatcher uses. She sounds marvelous, and I know it's the way she normally speaks, wereas, with actors, I know their accents are quite often faked.

      The biggest accent shock of my life was hearing Lucy Lawless' New Zealand accent after hearing her Xena accent. It was horrible. (g)


      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60319 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: R: AW: [Nova-Roma] Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice
      Lentulus Aquilae sal.

      Thank you, dear Quaestor! I hope you will be able to visit our province during the millennial celebrations!


      Vale quam optime, et feliciter anno novo!


      --- Ven 2/1/09, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> ha scritto:
      Da: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...>
      Oggetto: AW: [Nova-Roma] Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!
      A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: cn_corn_lent@...
      Data: Venerdì 2 gennaio 2009, 18:01

      T.Flavius Aquila Leg. pp. Pannoniae salutem plurimam dicit

      Congratulations to Pannonia and to its outstanding Legatus Pro Praetore Cn.Cornelius Lentulus , from the Provincia Germania !
      I hope for a very close cooperation between our provinces.

      Vale optime,

      Titus Flavius Aquila
      Quaestor
      Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania

       


      Von: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@ yahoo.it>
      An: Nova Roma ML <nova-roma@yahoogrou ps.com>
      Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 1. Januar 2009, 22:01:58 Uhr
      Betreff: [Nova-Roma] Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!

      Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae consulibus, praetoribus, senatui populoque Novo Romano s. p. d.

      I have issued an edict about the Millennial Jubilee Years of the 2000th Anniversary of Pannonia.

      Pannonia is 2000 years old from now, and I would like to ask the new magistrates and the Senate of Nova Roma to support this endeavor during this year, and help us, Pannonians, to commemorate the 2000 years of the Roman Pannonia.

      Curate uti valeatis vos, et res publica valeat!

      Bonum, felicem, faustum, fortunatum annum 2762 AUC, ET ANNIVERSARIUM 2000 PANNONIAE PROVINCIAE!! !

      Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
      Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Provinciae



      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60320 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!

      Cn. Lentulus leg. pr. pr. M. Iulio cos. sal.


      Thank you, Consul M. Severe! I will count on that, I have some agenda requesting some things from the senate and from the consuls. I will forward you the Pannonian 2000 Jubilee Projects, because it includes some major projects that involve official Nova Roman appearance.

      Cura, ut valeas!


      --- Ven 2/1/09, M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...> ha scritto:
      Da: M•IVL•SEVERVS <marcusiuliusseverus@...>
      Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!
      A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
      Data: Venerdì 2 gennaio 2009, 03:55

      Severus Cos. Lentulo Leg. pp. Pannoniae s.d.

      You also have my full support, amice.
      Let us rejoice with our Pannonian brothers and sisters!
       
      Vale, et valete optime

      M•IVL•SEVERVS
      CONSVL•NOVÆ•ROMÆ


      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60321 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice
      Lentulus P. Memmio praet. sal.

      Thank you, Memmi amplissime, praetor noster! I hope you can come to Pannonia this year and take part in our festivities.

      BTW You are the king of abbreviations! :)

      IMHO, however, some of them are "too" abbreviated: for example, if you make a research on abbreviations of "legatus pro praetore", you'll find that it was "leg. pr. pr." or "leg. pro pr.". Praetor was sometimes abbreviated as "prae.", sometimes "praet.", but "pr." is to most frequent. Consul is "cos.", censor is "ces.". Quaestor is 'q." or "quae.", "quaes."

      Romans loved to spare with money given to the marbel engravers ;)


      --- Gio 1/1/09, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> ha scritto:
      Da: Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
      Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice Pannonia!
      A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
      Data: Giovedì 1 gennaio 2009, 23:22

      Memmius Pr. Leg. pp. Pannoniae s.d.

      You have my whole support, dear Lentule, you and your whole
      provincial team!

      Vale bene,

      P. Memmius Albucius
      praetor

      --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
      <cn_corn_lent@ ...> wrote:
      >
      > Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae consulibus,
      praetoribus, senatui populoque Novo Romano s. p. d.
      >
      >
      > I have issued an edict about the Millennial Jubilee Years of the
      2000th Anniversary of Pannonia.
      >
      > Pannonia is 2000 years old from now, and I would like to ask the
      new magistrates and the Senate of Nova Roma to support this endeavor
      during this year, and help us, Pannonians, to commemorate the 2000
      years of the Roman Pannonia.
      >
      > Curate uti valeatis vos, et res publica valeat!
      >
      > Bonum, felicem, faustum, fortunatum annum 2762 AUC, ET
      ANNIVERSARIUM 2000 PANNONIAE PROVINCIAE!! !
      >
      >
      > Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
      > Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Provinciae
      >


      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60322 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and rejoice
      Lent. s.d.

      Y r ryt.

      V.o.,

      PMA

      (lol) ;-)


      --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
      <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
      >
      > Lentulus P. Memmio praet. sal.
      >
      > Thank you, Memmi amplissime, praetor noster! I hope you can come to
      Pannonia this year and take part in our festivities.
      >
      > BTW You are the king of abbreviations! :)
      >
      > IMHO, however, some of them are "too" abbreviated: for example, if
      you make a research on abbreviations of "legatus pro praetore",
      you'll find that it was "leg. pr. pr." or "leg. pro pr.". Praetor was
      sometimes abbreviated as "prae.", sometimes "praet.", but "pr." is to
      most frequent. Consul is "cos.", censor is "ces.". Quaestor is 'q."
      or "quae.", "quaes."
      >
      > Romans loved to spare with money given to the marbel engravers ;)
      >
      >
      > --- Gio 1/1/09, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> ha
      scritto:
      > Da: Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...>
      > Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Pannonia is 2000 years old! Celebrate and
      rejoice Pannonia!
      > A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
      > Data: Giovedì 1 gennaio 2009, 23:22
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Memmius Pr. Leg. pp. Pannoniae s.d.
      >
      >
      >
      > You have my whole support, dear Lentule, you and your whole
      >
      > provincial team!
      >
      >
      >
      > Vale bene,
      >
      >
      >
      > P. Memmius Albucius
      >
      > praetor
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
      >
      > <cn_corn_lent@ ...> wrote:
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Cn. Lentulus legatus pro praetore Pannoniae consulibus,
      >
      > praetoribus, senatui populoque Novo Romano s. p. d.
      >
      > >
      >
      > >
      >
      > > I have issued an edict about the Millennial Jubilee Years of the
      >
      > 2000th Anniversary of Pannonia.
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Pannonia is 2000 years old from now, and I would like to ask the
      >
      > new magistrates and the Senate of Nova Roma to support this
      endeavor
      >
      > during this year, and help us, Pannonians, to commemorate the 2000
      >
      > years of the Roman Pannonia.
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Curate uti valeatis vos, et res publica valeat!
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Bonum, felicem, faustum, fortunatum annum 2762 AUC, ET
      >
      > ANNIVERSARIUM 2000 PANNONIAE PROVINCIAE!! !
      >
      > >
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
      >
      > > Legatus pro praetore Pannoniae Provinciae
      >
      > >
      >
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60323 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: Horkoi
      Horkoi Quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

          Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensuram, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter iuro.

          Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, officio rogatricis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturam et virtutes Romanas publicá privataque vita me persecuturam esse iuro.  

          Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam defensuram, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat iuro.  

          Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, officiis muneris rogatricis me quam optime functuram esse praeterea iuro.  

          Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus rogatricis una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.  


      =======

      Valete,

      A. Tullia Scholastica
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60324 From: annia@ciarin.com Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: Re: Horkoi
      Anyone have a translation?

      -Annia Minucia Marcella

      > Quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
      >
      > Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
      > defensuram,
      > et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter iuro.
      >
      > Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, officio rogatricis Novae Romae accepto,
      > deos
      > deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturam et
      > virtutes
      > Romanas publicá privataque vita me persecuturam esse iuro.
      >
      > Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam
      > defensuram, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne
      > quid
      > detrimenti capiat iuro.
      >
      > Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, officiis muneris rogatricis me quam optime
      > functuram esse praeterea iuro.
      >
      > Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
      > voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus rogatricis una cum iuribus,
      > privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
      >
      >
      > =======
      >
      > Valete,
      >
      > A. Tullia Scholastica
      >
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60325 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-02
      Subject: Re: Horkoi
      Salve Annia Minucia Marcella
       
      It is the Latin version of the magistrates oath.
      Her English version will post soon.
       
      Vale
       
      Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
       


       


      To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
      From: annia@...
      Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:30:12 -0600
      Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Horkoi


      Anyone have a translation?

      -Annia Minucia Marcella

      > Quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
      >
      > Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
      > defensuram,
      > et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse sollemniter iuro.
      >
      > Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, officio rogatricis Novae Romae accepto,
      > deos
      > deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturam et
      > virtutes
      > Romanas publicá privataque vita me persecuturam esse iuro.
      >
      > Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam
      > defensuram, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne
      > quid
      > detrimenti capiat iuro.
      >
      > Ego, A. Tullia Scholastica, officiis muneris rogatricis me quam optime
      > functuram esse praeterea iuro.
      >
      > Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
      > voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus rogatricis una cum iuribus,
      > privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.
      >
      >
      > =======
      >
      > Valete,
      >
      > A. Tullia Scholastica
      >


      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60326 From: annia@ciarin.com Date: 2009-01-03
      Subject: Re: Horkoi
      >
      > Salve Annia Minucia Marcella
      >
      > It is the Latin version of the magistrates oath.


      ORLY? I had no idea that she had posted an oath in latin! Thanks for
      telling me!

      > Her English version will post soon.
      >

      As evidenced by the previous post. Thank you Captain Obvious.

      -Annia Minucia Marcella
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60327 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-03
      Subject: Horkoi (Gallice et Germanice)
      Horkoi (Gallice et Germanice) Quiritibus bonae voluntatis, praesertim Gallice Germaniceve loquentibus, S.P.D. A. Tullia Scholastica

          
        Le serment des magistrats en français
       
          
      Moi, A. Tullia Scholastica, jure solennellement par la présente de soutenir l'honneur de Nova Roma en toutes circonstances au mieux des intérêts du peuple et du Sénat de Nova Roma.

          En tant que magistrat de Nova Roma, moi, A. Tullia Scholastica, jure d'honorer les Dieux et Déesses de Rome dans mes relations publiques et de poursuivre les Vertus Romaines dans ma vie publique et privée.

          Moi, A. Tullia Scholastica, jure de soutenir et défendre la Religio Romana comme la Religion d'État de Nova Roma et jure de ne jamais agir d'une manière qui menace son statut de Religion d'État.

          Moi, A. Tullia Scholastica, jure de protéger et de défendre la Constitution de Nova Roma.

          Moi, A. Tullia Scholastica, jure de plus de remplir au mieux de mes capacités les obligations et responsabilités de la fonction de rogatrice.

          Sur mon honneur en tant que citoyenne de Nova Roma, en présence des Dieux et Déesses du peuple romain et par leur faveur et leur bon vouloir, j'accepte formellement d'assurer la fonction de rogatrice et tous les droits, privilèges, obligations et responsabilités qui s'y rattachent.

       


          Der Eid der Beamten auf Deutsch

        
       Ich, A. Tullia Scholastica, schwöre hiermit feierlich, Nova Roma in Ehren zu halten und stets im besten Interesse von Volk und Senat von Nova Roma zu handeln.

          Als Rogatrix schwöre ich, A. Tullia Scholastica, die Götter und Göttinnen Roms in meinen öffentlichen Handlungen zu ehren und römische Tugenden im privaten Leben ebenso zu befolgen wie im öffentlichen.

          Ich, A. Tullia Scholastica, schwöre hiermit feierlich, die Religio Romana als Staatsreligion von Nova Roma zu  ehren und zu verteidigen und niemals in einer Weise zu handeln, die ihren Status als Staatsreligion gefährden könnte.

          Ich, A. Tullia Scholastica, schwöre die Verfassung von Nova Roma zu schützen und zu verteidigen.

          Ich, A. Tullia Scholastica, schwöre ferner die Pflichten und den Verantwortungsbereich des Amtes der Rogatrix nach besten Kräften zu erfüllen.

          Bei meiner Ehre als civis Nova Romana und in Gegenwart der Götter und Göttinnen von Rom und mit ihrer Gnade und in Gegenwart des römischen Volkes nehme ich, A. Tullia Scholastica, das Amt der Rogatrix an und alle Rechte, Privilegien, Verpflichtungen und Verantwortlichkeiten die damit verbunden sind.


        
       
      Valéte/À revoir/auf Wiedersehen
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60328 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-01-03
      Subject: Re: Horkoi (Gallice et Germanice)
      C. Petronius A. Scholasticae s.p.d.,

      Votre traduction en français est parfaite. Pas une faute ni une
      maladresse. Bravo.

      Your French translation is perfect, without mistaking nor infelicities
      of style. Well done !

      <À revoir> Au revoir.

      Optime vale.

      C. Petronius Dexter
      Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60329 From: Complutensis Date: 2009-01-03
      Subject: EDICTUM CONSULARE CURIATI-IULI II DE ASSIGNATIONE QUAESTORUM
      Attachments :
        Quaestors assignment for 2762 AVC

        Lucia Livia Plaura is assigned to Consul M. Curiatius Complutensis
        Tiberius Cornelius Scipio is assigned to Consul M. Iulius Severus
        Gaius Petronius Dexter is assigned to Praetor Cn. Equitius Marinus
        Marcus Valerius Potitus is assigned to Praetor P. Memmius Albucius
        Quintus Valerius Poplicola is assigned to Aedile Curule Cn. Iulius Caesar
        Titus Flavius Aquila is assigned to the Aedile Curule actually vacant, in
        the meantime he will work with the Aedile Cn. Iulius Caesar
        Gaius Arminius Reccanellus is assigned to the Aedile Plebis Q. Caecilius
        Metellus Pius Postumianus
        Lucius Gratius Nerva is assigned to the Aedile Plebis actually vacant, in
        the meantime he will work with the Aedile Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius
        Postumianus


        Given under our hands this third day of January 2762 a.u.c. (AD 2009 ) in
        the consulship of M. Curiatio and M. Iulio


        M*CVR*COMPLVTENSIS
        M*IVL*SEVERVS
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60330 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: Lord Apollo, 1/3/2009, 12:00 pm
        Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
         
        Title:   Lord Apollo
         
        Date:   Saturday January 3, 2009
        Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
        Repeats:   This event repeats every month on the first Saturday.
        Notes:   Apollo is worshiped by many, including Romans. His most famous temple, the now-ruined Temple of Delphi, is once each week, at dawn on Sunday, the geographic axis of "Kyklos Apollon". At that time-Delphi dawn-we may perform the brief, potent ritual delineated in the group site. We may perform some other gesture, perhaps as simple as a nod of acknowledgment, a quick libation poured from a cup. But for this one moment, as the Sun first shines upon the ancient columns, we are together. Even though we are few, and scattered across the world, we are in that one moment *together*, a great Kyklos in the light of Apollon.

        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KyklosApollon/ Hint: If you set your membership to "Special Notices", you will get only the group reminders with the correct sunrise time at Delphi each week.



        "Hestia, you who tend the holy house of the lord Apollo, the Far-shooter at goodly Pytho, with soft oil dripping ever from your locks, come now into this house, come, having one mind with Zeus the all-wise -- draw near, and withal bestow grace upon my song." (Homeric Hymns - XXIV)

        "We ask the blessing of ancient Hecate, faithful and awesome, daughter of the Titans Coeus and gold-crowned Phoebe. 'Great honor comes full easily to him whose prayers the goddess receives favorably'" (Hesiod, Theogony - VII)

        "Lord Apollo, How, then, shall I sing of you... who in all ways are a worthy theme of song?" (Homeric Hymn: to Delian Apollo)
         
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        Date:   Saturday January 3, 2009
        Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
        Repeats:   This event repeats every month.
        Notes:   NewRoman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newroman/ is a group where new and prospective citizens can meet and ask questions of some experienced citizens in a safe, moderated and low-traffic environment.
         
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60332 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: a. d. III Nonas Ianuarias: Pax Augusti
        M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
        plurimam dicit: Vos quod fexitis, Deos omnes fortunare velim.

        Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est:
        sacrum Paci Augusti.

        "Since vows are fulfilled and undertaken both for the welfare of our
        lord Marcus Aurelius Severus Alexander Augustus and for the security
        of the Empire of the Roman People, to Jupiter Optimus Maximus an ox,
        to Juno Regina a cow, to Minerva a cow, to Jupiter Victor an ox, to
        Juno Sospita a cow, ... to Mars Pater a bull, to Mars Victor a bull,
        to Victoria a cow." ~ Fasti Durarum, III Nones Ian.


        "Let Pax tend our fields. Bright Pax, first to lead the cow under
        the yoke to plow the fields, Pax, who nourished the vine and stored
        the juice of grapes so that pure wine might flow for the sone from
        the father's jar. In peace shall shine the hoe and the ploughshare,
        but decay masters the sad arms of the harsh soldier in the
        darkness. Pax, Goddess of Peace, O come to us, nourishing Pax,
        holding in Your hand the wheat stalk with its tassels, and let pour
        forth a harvest of fruit from the shining bosom of Your robe!" ~ A.
        Tibullus I.10.45-50, 67-68

        "By the authority of the Senate, a part of the Praetors and Tribuni
        Plebis, with Consul Quintus Lucretius and the leading men, was sent
        to meet me in Campania, which honor had been decreed for no one but
        me until that time. When I returned to Rome from Spain and Gaul,
        having successfully accomplished matters in those provinces, when
        Tiberius Nero and Publius Quintilius were Consuls (13 B.C.E.), the
        senate voted to consecrate the Ara Pacis Augusti in the Campus
        Martius for my return, on which it ordered the magistrates and
        priests and Vestal virgins to offer annual sacrifices." ~ Caesar
        Augustus, Res Gestae Divi Augusti 12

        Vowed in 13 BCE, the Ara Pacis Augusti was dedicated on 30 January 9
        BCE. The date of the vow, 3 January, which followed the day on which
        an emperor received his potens tribunicia, became the date on which
        special vows were made to the Gods on behalf of the emperor's
        health. One example is seen above in the military calendar from Dura
        Europa, from 223-227 CE during the reign of Alexander Severus.
        Another example is found among the Acta Fratrum Arvalum.

        "Jupiter Optimus Maximus, if You will grant Emperor Caesar Domitianus
        Augustus Germanicus, son of the divine Vespasian, pontifex maximus,
        having powers of the tribune of the people, censor in perpetuity,
        father of his country, and Dimitia Augusta, his wife, and Julia
        Augusta, for those whom I have named and also for all those others
        whom I have not named who live in their households on the third day
        before the Nones of January, and after them the people of Rome, the
        Quirites, and also for the Republic of the people of Rome, the
        Quirites, and if from this day You will preserve their health from
        peril, whereby they remain as they are today, or indeed their lot is
        improved by good results, on behalf of those for whom I speak, (the
        Arvales Fratres), if You will preserve them as they are in their
        present state now, or improved upon for the better, then, as You will
        have made this so, in the name of the college of the Fratres Arvales
        I vow to You an ox with horns gilt in gold."

        In addition to Jupiter Optimus Maximus, the Fratres Arvales
        sacrificed to Juno Regina, Minerva, and to Salus Publica on this
        occasion to benefit the health of Domitianus and the imperial
        family. For Hadrian the Fratres Arvales again sacrificed to Jupiter
        Optimus Maximus, Juno Regina, Minerva, and to Salus Publica, and
        added sacrifices as well for Jupiter Victor, Mars Pater, Mars Victor
        and Victoria, as in the fasti Durarum, and continued further with
        sacrifices to Fortuna Redux, Neptunus, Vesta, and Hercules. This was
        the sole function of the Fratres Arvales, to benefit the health and
        welfare of the emperor. They never performed an ambularia or in any
        other way blessed agricultural fields. Their Acta shows that they
        were never consistent in their rituals from year, or even in what
        deities they invoked. Not even the Dea Dia appears in every year of
        their records. But no matter how many or how few Fratres were
        present at Rome, on 3 January they always sacrificed to the Gods that
        They might safeguard the emperor, and thereby the Empire.


        AUC 647 / 106 BCE: Birth of M. Tullius Cicero at Arpinum.

        "It is said that Cicero was born, without travail or pain on the part
        of his mother, on the third day of the new Calends,2 the day on which
        at the present time the magistrates offer sacrifices and prayers for
        the health of the emperor. It would seem also that a phantom appeared
        to his nurse and foretold that her charge would be a great blessing
        to all the Romans. 2 And although these presages were thought to be
        mere dreams and idle fancies, he soon showed them to be true
        prophecy; for when he was of an age for taking lessons, his natural
        talent shone out clear and he won name and fame among the boys, so
        that their fathers used to visit the schools in order to see Cicero
        with their own eyes and observe the quickness and intelligence in his
        studies for which he was extolled, though the ruder ones among them
        were angry at their sons when they saw them walking with Cicero
        placed in their midst as a mark of honour." ~ Plutarch, Life of
        Cicero 2.1-2


        Our thought for today is from Seneca, Epistle 39:

        "Words should be scattered like seed; no matter how small the seed
        may be, if it has once found favourablc ground, it unfolds its
        strength and from an insignificant thing spreads to its greatest
        growth. Reason grows in the same way; it is not large to the outward
        view, but increases as it does its work. Few words are spoken; but
        if the mind has truly caught them, they come into their strength and
        spring up. Yes, precepts and seeds have the same quality; they
        produce much, and yet they are slight things. Only, as I said, let a
        favourable mind receive and assimilate them. Then of itself the mind
        also will produce bounteously in its turn, giving back more than it
        has received."
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60333 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: Mass graves of Himera
        Salvete bene omnes

        Now that I have left office as Consul I am taking time once again to
        catch up on my reading. I came across this story, perhaps a little
        old, on discoveries made last September of Greek mass graves of infants
        and soldiers at Himera, Sicily.

        http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/12/081217-himera-mass-
        grave.html

        Valete

        M. Moravius Horatianus
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60334 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: Roman lamp with gynecological examine - line drawing
        Salvete etiam

        Perhaps you heard of this one, too, about the discovery of a Roman
        lamp that depicts a gynecological exam. It was reported last month
        in the Latin American Herald Tribune. I first read about the story
        at the Discover website. Here's the link to the original (English
        version) story.

        http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=323496&CategoryId=13003

        But no photos were given then. Here's a photo of a line-drawing of
        the lamp.

        http://www.flickr.com/photos/terraeantiqvae/574042464/

        And a blog on the discovery, in Spanish.

        terraeantiqvae.blogia.com/2007/062001-aparece-en-leon-la-unica
        [lucerna-del-mundo-con-una-escena-ginecologica.php

        Valete optime
        M. Moravius
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60335 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: Fw: [SenatusRomanus] The Voting Period has ended


        --- On Tue, 12/30/08, marcushoratius <MHoratius@...> wrote:
        From: marcushoratius <MHoratius@...>
        Subject: [SenatusRomanus] The Voting Period has ended
        To: SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com
        Received: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 4:31 PM

        M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Consul: T. Iulio Sabino Consuli
        collegae, Praetoribus, Tribunibus Plebis, Senatoribus Patribus
        Mátribusque Conscriptís: salutem plurimam dicit:

        The voting period has now ended. My preliminary count has all Agenda
        Items passing by strong margins. Everyone may review the results
        below.

        I wish to thank all the members of the Senate and all the magistrates
        of this year for your patience and your participation. Where we have
        had some disagreements this year, I have always found opposing
        comments to be constructive. Both Consules have sought to
        incorporate differeing views to build towards concensus and to avoid
        division as much as possible. Reviewing the voting results of every
        session of the Senate this year, I think that we, the Senate, have
        been very successful in working together. This has meant that some
        issues were not addressed this year, but that only tells me that we
        need to investigate the issues more deeply. Likewise it has meant
        that we have not been able to fully address some issues. In passing
        the measures proposed in this session, and reading some of the
        comments made, I think it shows that there is still room for
        improvement. But, to my mind, the most important accomplishment this
        year has been how the members of the Senate have worked together on
        common goals. For this I extend my thanks and my congratulations to
        all here.

        Annum novum bonum faustum felicem!

        ____________ _

        Results of the December 2008 Meeting of the Board of Directors of
        Nova Roma, Inc.

        Members voting in the December session of the Board of Directors,
        Nova Roma, Inc.

        John J. Reali, Co-President
        Adrian Zavoianu, Co-President
        David Ll. Pais Alonso, Co-Vice President
        Luis Gutiérrez Esparza, Co-Vice President
        David O. Kling, Co-Secretary
        Timothy P. Gallagher, Co-Secretay
        Deandrea Boyle, Co-Treaserer
        Nancy M. Balding, Co-Treaserer
        Christophe Puissant, Director
        Mikko Sillanpää, Director
        Arthur F. McGrath, Director
        William C. Gawne, Director
        J. Keith Sterne, Director
        Steven Patrick Robinson, Director
        Ryan Merullo, Director
        Nigel Kell, Director
        Michael J. Kelly, Director
        Marcos Boehme, Director
        Matthias Stappert, Director
        Milko Anselmi, Director
        Christer Edling, Director

        With Twenty-one of thirty-two current Board Members voting, a quorum
        has been met.

        ITEM I: Resolved: That the Board of Directors approves the Budget
        2761.

        With 18 approving, and three abstaining, the measure passes.

        JJR Yes
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: Abstineo. I was unable to access this document, so will not
        vote on it.
        ChP: UTI ROGAS / YES
        MS: Abstain
        AFM Yes
        - W. C. Gawne: Yes. It is not a budget I consider ideal, but it's one
        we can accept to move forward. I do ask future consuls to separate
        the Magna Mater Project from Nova Roma's finances. It should be able
        to thrive on its own from here on.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve.
        RJM Yes
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA Abstain
        CE: Yes.

        ITEM II: Resolved: That the Board of Directors approves the Budget
        2762a.

        With fifteen approving, one opposing, and five abstaining, the
        measure passes

        JJR Yes For whatever objections that I or any other member of the
        Board could raise about the details of the proposed Budget 2762a, I
        think that it does provide for our diverse interests. Importantly,
        too, has been the manner in which it has been developed.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –No. Nova Roma has already donated $1663.00
        dollars from the general fund to the MMP. By adding another $843.51
        we will have donated a total of $2506.51. This means Nova Roma, Inc.
        will have donated more than all of our citizens combined. We should
        not be doing this. We should withdraw the money($2506. 51) Nova Roma,
        Inc had given To the MMP and return it to the general fund. We should
        then write a check for the balance of the MMP fund and donate it
        directly to the Italian government for use toward the MMP. Then we
        should end all solicitation for this project and start on those that
        advance Nova Roma, like a Temple in Rome fund and the land fund. If I
        can vote for each individual item in the budget I vote as follows, if
        I can not I have to, in good conscience, vote NO. [TPG had voted yes
        on all other allocations, but voted `No' on the overall Budget
        proposed.]
        DB: YES
        NB: Assent, with reservations. As others have noted, the MMP should
        be disentangled from the rest of the budget, especially since it
        seems that the temple cannot ever be rebuilt. I support the concept
        of a reflection area and other related projects we have discussed in
        the past, but the actual rebuilding seems extremely unlikely at
        best.
        ChP: ABSTAIN, for three main reasons. First the abstention is a wish
        not casting an vote "antiquo", and to take thus in account the real
        work done on this budget ; second, I regret that we are not proposed
        to vote budget chapter by chapter, which will allow the senators to
        avoid excessively opposed positions ; last, I cannot but disapprove
        the fact that the reasonable aedilician proposals on Ludi prizes and
        Equites "grants" have not been taken in consideration for wrong "good
        reasons" and that, at the same time, our budget contains
        an "emergency fund" and a "general fund" which have currently no
        assignment ; in addition, I consider the Matching Fund tool not
        useful, and, instead, a possible source of complexity of our accounts.
        MS: Abstain
        AFM Yes I think the money included in this budget for the MMP should
        be the last of our own money we put into this project. We can find a
        better use of our resources in the future.
        W. C. Gawne: Yes. As above, especially with respect to the MMP.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve, with reservations. I still have grave doubts about so
        much of our monies (any monies) going towards the Magna Mater Project
        and should like to see this item revisited in the course of the new
        year. Especially as I am listed as a donor on their website, but can
        find no records at my end of having done so; I have had the same
        PayPal account since mid-2001. The other line items in the budget, I
        support.
        RJM Yes. I would add that at future review, it may make sense to
        consolidate the two expense items "outreach effort" and "sodalitas
        egressus"
        NK: Yes, although I hope we can revisit the allocation of funds to
        the MMP at the earliest opportunity next year in an amended budget.
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Abstain.
        MS: Yes
        MA Abstain
        CE: Abstain.

        ITEM III: Resolved: That the Board of Directors approves adoption of
        the negotiated resolution on Nova Roma, Inc. acquiring Ownership of
        the domain "NOVAROMA.ORG" from Wm. Bradford.

        With all twenty-one votes cast in favor, the measure passes.

        JJR Yes Our negotiated agreement has provided Nova Roma with a very
        good deal for the domain, at a cost we can afford, while granting Mr.
        Bradford what he sought in compensation. I am fully satisfied that
        all parties concerned benefit by this arrangement.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES, I approve of the manner and terms of this dispute
        settlement. It was the best possible outcome under the circumstances.
        NB: Assent. This seems to be a necessary step.
        ChP: UTI ROGAS / YES
        MS: Yes. This is really not the finest hour of our history, but this
        was most practical thing to do and therefore I support it
        AFM Yes. This is a good arrangement for all involved. My thanks to
        the senior consul for his work in getting this resolved.
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. Closure was needed on this mess and this solution works.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA Yes
        CE: Yes, with congratulations!

        ITEM IV.a: Resolved: That the Board of Directors approves the
        creation of the office of a CIO...

        With all twenty-one votes cast in favor, the measure passes.

        JJR Yes This is a much needed first step to address what has become a
        serious problem for us now and in the future.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: Assent.
        ChP: UTI ROGAS / YES, reminding that the CIO must have a limited
        number of people (s-)he is asked to refer, and cannot, beyond the
        first work of the IT Committee (see below), be placed under the
        responsibility of a group, a fortiori of an assembly. The best
        solution is placing the CIO under the vice-presidents/ consuls
        responsibility.
        MS: Yes. I hope this will mark as a beginning of an era of better
        management of all IT matters in NR.
        AFM YES, This will do for now but ideally, all our IT needs should be
        handled by someone outside the organization with no vested interest
        in Nova Roma.
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. Absolutely needed; to grow, we must have a professional
        infrastructure and the trained personnel to build/maintain it. Other
        organizations like ours to which I belong have also discovered this
        need and have CIOs.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA Yes, I agree
        CE: Yes, lets see if it will work. In the end it always comes down to
        the person that we choose and how we treat them.

        ITEM IV.b: Resolved: That the Board of Directors authorizes the co-
        presidents (Consuls) to form a Senate IT Committee limited to the
        Consuls, Praetors, the CIO, members of the Senate and other Nova Roma
        Citizens with knowledge and experience in the IT field. This
        committee shall work together with the CIO in addressing the needs of
        the organization, and shall coordinate with other magistrates and
        committees, such as the Senate Committee on Budget and Finance, in
        support of the CIO's efforts.

        With all twenty-one votes cast in favor, the measure passes.

        JJR Yes And this Resolution is an additional step to assist the CIO
        and the BoD on tailoring decisions on IT issues to fit our needs.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes.
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: Assent.
        ChP: UTI ROGAS / YES, specifying the fact that the organizational
        question (see above) needs to be solved, ideally before.
        MS: Yes. Again a step towards the right direction
        AFM Yes
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. Yes, yes, yes; I believe I proposed such during our
        discussions, and would be willing to participate, if my bona fides
        pass review by our potential CIO.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA Yes
        CE: Yes.

        ITEM V: Resolved: That the Board of Directors approves a one time
        reimbursement of provincia Dacia of $372 USD to cover a portion of
        the $801 USD in expenses incurred for hosting this year's VI
        Conventus Dacia that was not covered by attendees or provincial funds.

        With all twenty-one votes cast in favor, the measure passes.

        JJR Yes This matter was first brought up last year. It was brought up
        again last June, then sent to committee where no action was taken on
        it. The total expenses for Conventus VI exceeded $4,400 USD.
        Corporate business was discussed at the Conventus. It proved to be a
        very productive meeting for the corporation, and it is only right
        that the corporation pay a small portion towards the costs incurred
        by our provincial hosts.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: Assent. This is fully justified. This and the other conventús
        are important parts of our mission, and we should support them.
        ChP: UTI ROGAS / YES, for the item is in due conformity with the
        position of the Conventus and Events Committee's proposal.
        MS: Yes. Supporting our gatherings is an important thing.
        AFM Yes
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. Supporting such functions should be of primary
        importance, much more than archaeology.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA Yes, with my best congratulations as I knew it was a great event.
        CE: Yes.

        ITEM VI: Corp. Resolved: That the Board of Directors authorizes the
        permanent transfer to a new PayPal Business account, opened on 2
        April 2008, from the corporation' s current PayPal Premier account, as
        Nova Roma, Inc.'s primary account effective 1 January 2009.

        With twenty approving, and one abstention, the measure passes.

        JJR:Yes, This transfer to the Business Account will cut costs.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: Agree; I leave the financial details to those more knowledgeable
        in these respects.
        ChP: UTI ROGAS / YES
        MS: Yes.
        AFM Yes
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. Better all around for our purposes.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA Abstain.
        CE: Yes.

        ITEM VII: Corp. Resolved: That the Board of Directors approves the
        Corporate Fiscal Year for external reporting purposes shall last from
        1 January to 31 December, and that an internal State Fiscal Year for
        internal reporting purposes shall be established as lasting from 1
        November to 31 October.

        With nineteen approving, one opposing, and one abstaining, the
        measure passes.

        JJR Yes, This resolution will assist in developing a schedule for our
        budgeting process and assist the CFO in preparing required reports.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: Assent, for similar reasons.
        ChP: UTI ROGAS / YES
        MS: Abstain
        AFM Yes
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. I see the usefulness of this, as the elected
        Magistrates take office across the space of 3 months: Nov - Jan, they
        would all have the same financial information.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA No. I fear this could complicate things.
        CE: Yes.

        ITEM VIII: Corp. Resolved: That the Board of Directors approves that
        the Instructions on Retained/Returned portions of revenues shall
        include a statement that such requests may be made only once a year
        following the end of the internal State Fiscal Year that concludes 31
        October.

        With eighteen approving, one opposing, and two abstaining, the
        measure passes.

        JJR Yes This is another simple adjustment, a clarification on policy,
        that will save us a small amount on banking fees, but more
        importantly keeps financial record keeping simpler and again assists
        in developing our budgeting process to become more efficient.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: Assent.
        ChP: UTI ROGAS / YES
        MS: Abstain
        AFM Yes
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. This is tidier than having an open ended process.
        RJM Yes.
        NK Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA No.
        CE: Yes.

        ITEM IX: Corp. Resolved: That the Board of Directors adopts the
        Standard Payment Request Form proposed by the Senate Committee on
        Budget and Finance. Such requests are to be submitted to one of the
        curule magistrates for processing and not directly to a financial
        officer. Payments may not be made by any financial officer without
        prior authorization by one or more curule magistrates.

        Re: NOVA ROMA PAYMENT REQUEST FORM

        With eighteen approving, one opposing, and two abstaining, the
        measure passes.

        JJR Yes By adopting the proposed standardize form, requests for
        payments will first pass to an authorizing official(s) as a control
        method, and provide us with much needed internal record keeping.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: Assent.
        ChP: ANTIQUO / NO, with regrets. This good will intention needs to
        be worked enough, for, in the fact that it limits (line `Authorized
        By') the concerned authorizing powers to the "Consul, Senate, or B&F
        Committee", it forgets first that others magistrates have a similar
        legal power to commit the Republic funds, that the Senate is not to
        allow a specific expense, but to define a budget that the magistrate
        (s) are to manage, and last that the BF Senatorial Committee, as
        every senatorial committee, has no legal power.
        MS: Abstain
        AFM Yes
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. Standardized forms make for fewer loopholes.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA Abstain.
        CE: Yes.

        ITEM X: Corp. Resolved: That the Board of Directors approves the
        following policy on

        THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF SIGNATORY OFFICERS

        With nineteen approving, one opposing, and one abstaining, the
        measure passes.

        JJR Yes Circumstances this year, with a concern towards securing our
        finances, led the co-presidents and CFO to develop certain measures.
        Those measures evolved over the past several months. Of course, early
        this year we had the Board appoint signatories for our bank accounts.
        This resolution takes the next step in providing a policy on what the
        signatories have already been doing for us.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: Assent.
        ChP: ANTIQUO / NO, with regrets. Despite a will that seems very
        good, the proposal mixes what NR Inc. would need as a non profit
        making corporation, and what the Republic needs, aiming either
        the "Board" or the "Senate". In the Republic point of view, the
        identity of three mentioned officers are especially not evoked, nor
        their relations with the financial quaestor(s).
        MS: Abstain.
        AFM Yes
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. Chains of accountability provide a basis of trust in
        governance.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA Yes
        CE: Yes.

        ITEM XI: Resolved: That the Board of Directors approves the policy of
        limited licensing of content developed for its NRwiki website under
        the license developed for purposes of free documentation by the Free
        Software Foundation, the text of which can be found at
        http://www.gnu. org/copyleft/ fdl.html.

        With twenty approving, one abstaining, the measure passes.

        JJR Yes We need to adopt some policy on this issue as our website
        increasing becomes a source of information. The particular policy we
        propose adopting was developed by other, similar organizations that
        share educational information. The policy will have any website using
        information taken from ours linked back to the Nova Roma website.
        Adopting this policy should benefit us in many ways, not least of
        which could be to increase our commercial potential.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: Here I cannot comment as I got a 404 error when attempting to
        access this site. I abstain.
        ChP: UTI ROGAS / YES
        MS: Yes. This is a goos step forward.
        AFM Yes
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. This is good; I have some of my own material out and
        about under the copyright ideas presented by the Creative Commons
        organization.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA Yes
        CE: Yes.

        ITEM XII: Resolved: That the Board of Directors authorizes Laszlo
        Kovacs of Hungaria to use the material found at
        http://www.novaroma .org/nr/HU: Praenomen, under the terms of
        Wikipedia's license.

        With twenty approving, one abstaining, the measure passes.

        JJR Yes Information from our website is already being taken, without
        permission, and used by individuals as they upload it to Wikipedia.
        Mr. Laslo was nice enough to ask us. This could help us establish a
        better relationship with Wikipedia, insisting that they abide by
        their own licensing policy before using material produced by our
        members.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: As has happened all too often of late, this page showed up blank
        when I attempted to access it, and moreover did not respond to the
        page-flipping which sometimes produces the text previously written in
        invisible ink. Here again I must abstain. Note, too, that we
        perhaps mean Hungary, or Pannonia, not Hungaria.
        ChP: UTI ROGAS / YES
        MS: Yes
        AFM Yes
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. People who ask permission ought be lauded and gain our
        cooperation; like this.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MB: Yes.
        MA Yes
        CE: Yes.

        ITEM XIII: Resolved: That the Board of Directors authorizes the
        Consuls to enter Nova Roma, Inc. into the affiliate program with
        Art.com.

        With seventeen approving, two opposing, and two abstaining, the
        measure passes.

        JJR Yes The relationship with Art.com will be similar to what we
        have now with Amazon.com. It may afford us little, but we need extra
        sources of income. Like Amazon, too, we shall have to better promote
        our affiliate status with Art.com in order to maximize it revenue
        potential for us.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes Joining the affiliate program with Art.com
        cost us nothing. It has potential for a very good return to us from
        those who buy from Art.com from our site. It has many items that are
        Roman in nature and will not only help us raise money but will also
        enhance the look of our Website.

        Search results: Roman - 3,785 items

        http://www.art. com/asp/search_ doasp/_/posters. htm?
        ui=1E879234EC164002 83FBB5CC2A0974AB

        Search results: Rome - 3,250 items
        Ancient Greek - 376 items
        Search results: Carthage - 76 items

        DB: YES
        NB: While I have not seen enough information on this to fully
        satisfy me, I will assent, with qualifications. I have seen the
        catalog of this organization, and it does seem at least somewhat
        useful for our purposes.
        ChP: ANTIQUO / NO. Our Senate must stop acting in fields he has not
        or not fully the constitutional right to. Rather than adding new,
        even interesting, commercial links to our `portfolio', we should
        first reorganize our Equites/traders status, which will need a law in
        Com. Cent., and let the aedilies curules, whose normal competency it
        is, carry possible future proposals, in due respect of the interests
        of the cives that our laws decide to protect.
        MS: No. We should be very selective with this sort of cooperation in
        order not to loose our creditability as information provider.
        AFM Yes
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Abstain. I'm still trying to digest all the information about
        the affiliation process, but am not uneasy enough to cast an outright
        No vote.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA Abstain
        CE: Yes.

        ITEM XIV Resolved: That the Board of Directors approves the Nova Roma
        privacy policy provided at
        http://www.novaroma .org/nr/NovaRoma :Privacy_ policy

        With all twenty-one votes cast in favor, the measure passes.

        JJR Yes. Here again is an important issue that we should have
        addressed in the past. I thank those who helped to develop this
        policy for us.
        Adrian Zavoianu: Yes.
        DLPA Yes
        LGE: Yes.
        DOK: Yes.
        Timothy P. Gallagher –Yes
        DB: YES
        NB: Assent. I may not understand all of the technical jargon, but
        this does seem reasonable.
        ChP: UTI ROGAS / YES
        MS: Yes.
        AFM Yes
        W. C. Gawne: Yes.
        JKS Yes
        SPR: Approve. Having worked privacy issues as a professional
        communications security
        specialist at one time in my life, these are policies near and dear
        to my heart.
        RJM Yes.
        NK: Yes
        Michael Kelly: Yes.
        MB: Yes.
        MS: Yes
        MA Yes
        CE: Yes.

        ____________ _____

        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60336 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Salvete,
        what's incredible is that the people buried there were real giants
        (175 cm high)!

        Valete,
        Livia
        >
        > Salvete bene omnes
        >
        > Now that I have left office as Consul I am taking time once again
        to
        > catch up on my reading. I came across this story, perhaps a little
        > old, on discoveries made last September of Greek mass graves of
        infants
        > and soldiers at Himera, Sicily.
        >
        > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/12/081217-himera-mass-
        > grave.html
        >
        > Valete
        >
        > M. Moravius Horatianus
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60337 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Salve Plauta,

        Lucia Livia Plauta <cases@...> writes:

        > what's incredible is that the people buried there were real giants
        > (175 cm high)!

        I'm 180 cm tall, and I don't consider myself a giant. G. Iulius
        Caesar was a bit taller than I am, I understand.

        Vale,

        CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60338 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera

        Salvete omnes,

         

        Studies of nutrition and correlating heights indicate that at the time of the Republic average male heights were approx 169.2cm., about 5 ft 6.6 inches. There are many good studies regarding this but here is one that might be interesting: http://www.ata.boun.edu.tr/ehes/Istanbul%20Conference%20Papers-%20May%202005/Koepke_Baten_Istanbul.pdf

         

        I don't know whether I would call 175 cm. giants, but at a closer look at this study one will find that the closer to the Mediterranean the shorter the people. Still we must remember that in some literature it is said that soldiers in the Republic had to be at least 5'8" tall although it is questionable that they adhered to this.

         

        Marinus, it appears, would have been at considered tall based on the noted study. To me, at 157 cm, or 5'2" he would be considered tall. My 16 y/o, on the other hand, at 6'5" on his last check-up a year ago, might have very well been considered a giant; one of his hands swallows up both of mine. Caesar at least, being fair and tall, would have been considered quite an aesthetic catch.

         

        Around that period of the Himera find 480 BC, from recollection, the average male population was approx 167 cm which is about 5'5." I could not find a study on line to corroborate, so don't hold me to it. So given this statistic 175 cm is considered quite tall. Would be interesting to know the requirements for the Greek colonies' soldiers. Also Military Greeks at that time notoriously groomed their children for soldiering so I can only speculate that these children were fed well.

         

        Because of possible negative connotations having to do with race superiority and other derogatory aspects there are few studies to be found on the net, but they can be found in libraries.

         

        Another interesting find, with heights noted is:

        http://www.sanfernandohs.com/ourpages/auto/2006/11/6/1162849349609/Roman%20Descendants%20Found%20in%20Gansu.doc.

         

        Thank you Picinus and I look forward to more of these articles!

         

        Valete,

         

        Julia Aquila


        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
        >
        > Salve Plauta,
        >
        > Lucia Livia Plauta cases@... writes:
        >
        > > what's incredible is that the people buried there were real giants
        > > (175 cm high)!
        >
        > I'm 180 cm tall, and I don't consider myself a giant. G. Iulius
        > Caesar was a bit taller than I am, I understand.
        >
        > Vale,
        >
        > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
        >

        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60339 From: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBAE
        Ex Officio

        EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBAE

        Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas quiritibus
        salutem plurimam dicunt.

        Appointments to the Office of citizenship approval

        Titus Iulius Sabinus Senior Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL distribute
        applications among the scribae and processes applications in the
        following languages: Romanian and English.
        ( French and Italian)

        Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Senior Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL distribute
        applications among the scribae and processes applications in the
        following languages: Hungarian, English, and Italian. (Latin)

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL Q. Suetonius Paulinus processes applications
        in the Spanish and English language.

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL P. Constantinus Placidus processes
        applications in the Italian language.

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL T. Flavius Aquila processes applications in
        the German language

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus processes
        applications in the English language

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL Marcus Lucretius Agricola to edit the "Censor
        Protected Pages" on the NR Wiki site under the supervision of the
        Censor.

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL Gaius Horatius Aquilinus duties as assigned

        Advisor Gn. Equitius Marinus

        Rogator T. Arminius Genialis ( processes applications in the
        Portuguese language.)
        Rogator Aula Tullia Scholastica (processes applications English,
        French ( Latin))

        M. Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus are appointed
        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL to help with the transitions until 31 January
        2762. They have our sincere thanks for their willingness to do so and
        for their long service with Censors office.

        Appointments to the Office of the Census 2762 will be made at a later
        date.

        Datum sub manibus nostris a.d. III Non. Ian MMDCCLXII a.u.c.

        No oath shall be required. This edict takes effect immediately.
        Given under our hands this third day of January 2762 A.U.C. in the
        consulships of M. Curiatius and M. Iulius.


        Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
        Gaius Popillius Laenas
        Censores, Novae Romae
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60340 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        I myself am almost over 182 centimeters, and I know I look up
        (literally) to many people.

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Salve Plauta,
        >
        > Lucia Livia Plauta <cases@...> writes:
        >
        > > what's incredible is that the people buried there were real giants
        > > (175 cm high)!
        >
        > I'm 180 cm tall, and I don't consider myself a giant. G. Iulius
        > Caesar was a bit taller than I am, I understand.
        >
        > Vale,
        >
        > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60341 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: LUDI 2761 all cat. FINAL RESULTS
        Former aed. cur. 2761 Albucius omnibus s.d.


        I am glad to display here below the final results for the Ludi
        circenses and amphitheatrici given all along this very special year
        of Nova Roma 10th Birthday, 2761 auc.

        This final table has been built on 8 contests :
        - the 3 classical ones i.e. Ceriales and Plebeii for Plebs Games, and
        Romani for Curule.
        - 5 Decennales curule Games given exceptionally for this 10th
        Birthday: February Lupercalenses, March Conditorum, June Matutini,
        October Equus and December Ianuales.

        You may thus understand that my dear colleague aed. Plebis Publius
        Constantinus Placidus has accepted that the Plebs Games results be
        integrated, in the honor of our 10th Birthday, in a global table.

        This table contains, all along the year, 83 actors, from the
        gladiators of all specialties to the athletes and equites, through
        the animals or aurigae.

        There would be much to say about this intense Ludi year. I hope
        having time to come back on it later.

        A full 'All categories Album heroum (Album of the heroes) 2761 table'
        is to be built, from the 1st to the 83th.

        From the moment, here is the Top Ten. Do not hesitate asking me about
        the rank of your women and men, that honored us aediles entering Nova
        Roma 10th Birthday Games, if you do not find them in this Top Ten.

        Things were not played for the 1st and 2nd places until the Plebeii.
        At this time, Anthropophagus (D. Arminius Brutus owner) was ahead
        with just a small point), followed by Aoife Silurum (i.e. 'of the
        Silures') (G. Equitius Marinus). The Plebeii decided the win: Aoife
        ended 4th with 13 points, while Anthropophagus got 9 pts at the 8th
        rank. Aoife venit, vidit,... et vicit. She is our 10th Birthday
        Champion, and a beautiful one.

        At the 3rd place, Praesina leader C. Aurelia Falco Silvana with
        Spandex Vandalus on Velociraptor has been successful enough in the
        first half of the year to afford the luxury not entering the Ludi
        from September on. But the 3rd rank is kept shortly, before Gn.
        Equitius Marinus' Petronius Gnipho (chariot Vita Brevis) and Merddyn
        the Celt on Volcanus (Q. Servilius Priscus). Hon. Servilius has
        realized a great hit in the second semester, winning the Plebeii.

        Behind M. Martianus Lupus' Barinthus on Faolchú Dubh and Amara Aegeus
        (T. Arminius Genialis owner), we find the experienced Ambicatos and
        Sol Erumpens (alias Sunburst, again Q. Servilius Priscus) in 10, and
        between, two rookies: Stolo and his chariot Incitatus, owned by new
        citizen G. Petronius Dexter, and L. Fidelius Lusitanus, the owner
        himself driving, who has realized, in this Top Ten, the best second
        half of 2761.

        With no doubt, the great winner, among our citizenry, of these
        historical Ludi is Censorius Gn. Equitius Marinus.

        Fortuna, here, has given just the necessary help to reward one of our
        most ancient citizens, one of the not-so-many-of-us who will have
        soon completed their cursus honorum and - they are at this step very
        few left - one of those whose, beyond the divergences of opinion,
        both auctoritas and dignitas have never been contested.

        By his own efforts, holding Factio Albata nearly alone all along this
        year, current Praetor Marinus succeeded entering his two crews in
        the Top Ten, while, at the same time, he has chosen, by personal
        convictions, not entering the Munera and Venationes, so not scoring
        in these competitions. I am not sure such a feat could be realized
        again in our close future.

        Hon. Equitius has ruled his Ludus like his Roman career: with
        involvement, constance and regularity. His Ludi year is a kind of
        short handbook on "How to practice Roman virtues in the Ludi
        universe".

        Top Ten results:

        1.Aoife Silurum Gn. Equitius Marinus Albata 65 pts
        2.Anthropophagus D. Arminius Brutus Russata 62
        3.Spandex Vandalus C. Aurelia Falco Silvana Praes. 41
        4.Petronius Gnipho Gn. Equitius Marinus A 39
        5.Merddyn Q. Servilius Priscus P 38
        6.Barinthus M. Martianius Lupus V 33
        7.Amara aegeus T. Arminius Genialis R 32
        8.Stolo G. Petronius Dexter V 30
        9.L. Fidelius Lusitanus himself V 29
        10.Ambicatos Q. Servilius Priscus P 29


        For the Factiones Results, the Results table has not moved since last
        September. Factio Russata has routed the other ones: the Reds get
        nearly as many points than the second and third factions joined and
        have taken away 41 % of the available points! The Blues succeed
        keeping roughly their 40 points ahead of the Greens, third, and
        Albata, despite the exceptional results made by its leader Equitius,
        do not reach 200 points. At stake, in 2762, is the awakening of
        Albati, and a better mobilization among Praesini. If Veneta keeps its
        efforts, it should succeed in competing more closely with Cn.
        Cornelius Lentulus' Russata.

        1.Russata Cn. Cornelius Lentulus 520 pts
        2.Veneta M. Valeria Messallina 292
        3.Praesina G. Aurelia Falco Silvana 253
        4.Albata Gn. Equitius Marinus 196



        Valete Lusores and omnes,


        P. Memmius Albucius
        former aed. cur. anni decimi
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60342 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: Re: Horkoi (Gallice et Germanice)
        Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Horkoi (Gallice et Germanice)
        A. Tullia Scholastica C. Petronio Dextro quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
         

        C. Petronius A. Scholasticae s.p.d.,

        Votre traduction en français est parfaite. Pas une faute ni une
        maladresse. Bravo.

            ATS:  Merci, mais la traduction n’est pas la mienne; je l’avais volé, mais j’ai fait quelques corrections grammaticales.  Je suis une citoyenne, pas un citoyen, etc.   

        Your French translation is perfect, without mistaking nor infelicities
        of style. Well done !

        <À revoir> Au revoir.

            ATS: Merci; j’étais très fatiguée...

        Optime vale.

        C. Petronius Dexter

        Optime vale.  

         
              
           Messages in this topic           <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/60327
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60343 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: Edictum de scribarum creatione
        Edictum de scribarum creatione A. Tullia Scholastica rogatrix quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

            Ex hoc, Cn. Cornelium Lentulum C. Tullium Valerianum Germanicum scribas rogatricis ad Latinitatem uná cum muneribus privilegiis comitantibus creo.  Nullum jus jurandum poscetur.

            By this edict, I appoint Cn. Cornelius Lentulus and C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus rogatorial scribae for Latinity along with the duties and privileges which accompany this.  No oath shall be required.  

            Hoc edictum statim valet.

            This edict takes effect immediately.  

            Datum sub manu meá a.d. III Non. Jan. MMDCCLXII A.V.C.

            Given under my hand this third day of January 2009.

            A. Tullia Scholastica, rogatrix
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60344 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-03
        Subject: Re: LUDI 2761 all cat. FINAL RESULTS
        Salvete omnes,

        Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> writes:

        > [...] Aoife Silurum (i.e. 'of the
        > Silures') (G. Equitius Marinus). The Plebeii decided the win: Aoife
        > ended 4th with 13 points, while Anthropophagus got 9 pts at the 8th
        > rank. Aoife venit, vidit,... et vicit. She is our 10th Birthday
        > Champion, and a beautiful one.

        My thanks on her behalf. She says that all you people who remain
        baffled by her name should just call her Eva, it sounds almost like
        Aoife does when pronounced in proper Gaelic. She invites you all to
        join her for a drink at the Taverna, and looks forward to the next
        round of ludi circenses.

        Thanks also from Petronius Gnipho, who is very proud of his protege
        Aoife. He's still grateful every time he can climb into a chariot for
        a race.

        > With no doubt, the great winner, among our citizenry, of these
        > historical Ludi is Censorius Gn. Equitius Marinus.

        Thank you. All I do is enter my teams into the races. The rest of
        the work is done by the Aediles and their cohorts, and of course by my
        drivers and their teams.

        > Fortuna, here, has given just the necessary help to reward one of our
        > most ancient citizens,

        Ahem. I'm only 54.

        Still, thank you again. It was a good year. I hope this year will be
        even better.

        Valete,

        CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60345 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Comparative Height through Time (was: Mass graves of Himera)
        It is interesting how average height has changed over time. My dad made it
        to exactly where I am now at 173 cm (even though at 15 stones I still weigh
        less than he did), and I've always seen myself as comparatively short. My
        older brother, however, was in the neighborhood of 205 cm at his passing.
        Though I suspect my younger sister might come into the same ballpark as him,
        he's currently holding the family title on height. (Dad holds it in weight;
        and I picked up the title for brains!)

        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Q. Valerius Poplicola
        > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 15 37
        > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mass graves of Himera
        >
        > I myself am almost over 182 centimeters, and I know I look up
        > (literally) to many people.
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60346 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        C. Petronius Q. Valerio s.p.d.,

        > I myself am almost over 182 centimeters, and I know I look up
        > (literally) to many people.

        We have the same size, I also am 182 cms.

        I always was amazing by the fact that Anglo-saxons could go on the
        Moon, using very old measures as feet, inches... ;o)

        An English foot is not similar to a Latin foot, and a Latin foot was
        not similar to an Athenian foot... in the French kingdom, before the
        Republic creates the meter system, we had many "feet" according to
        the different regions, it was the chaos, but in the meter system,
        centimeter is a centimeter by all the word.

        Optime vale.

        C. Petronius Dexter
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60347 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: About togas
        Salvete
         
        Nova Roma has not a specific rule concerning toga wearing, has it? I mean... stripe widths, stripe colours, styles etc.
         
        I have found in our website little information about it, and it is a little different from other sources, such as Wikipedia (even though this may not be properly a good historic-scientific source) and others.
         
        I know there have already been previous discussions on this list, but I think this should be matter for perhaps a senatusconsultum or something-like-this for an official solution.
         
        Not only for togas but for the whole clothing: tunic, shoes, women clothing etc.
         
        What do you think? Do we have any clothing specialist here?
         
        TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
        Lictor Curiatus
        Rogator
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60348 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: About togas
        Salve Geniali,

        Titus Arminius Genialis <tagenialis@...> writes:

        > Salvete
        >
        > Nova Roma has not a specific rule concerning toga wearing, has it? I mean...
        > stripe widths, stripe colours, styles etc.

        There is no law. I think past practice has been to try to stay as
        closely as possible to the practices of Roma Antiqua during the late
        Republic.

        [...]
        > I know there have already been previous discussions on this list, but I
        > think this should be matter for perhaps a senatusconsultum or
        > something-like-this for an official solution.
        >
        > Not only for togas but for the whole clothing: tunic, shoes, women clothing
        > etc.
        >
        > What do you think?

        I do NOT think this calls for any sort of legal action, neither
        senatus consultum nor anything else. Except for the sumptuary laws,
        Rome never had laws regulating the wearing of clothing. It was all a
        matter of custom.

        > Do we have any clothing specialist here?

        Julilla Sempronia Magna has put a lot of effort into studying Roman
        garb. Several others of us have looked into the matter too. We once
        had a sodalitas for tailors, but it has gone quiet.

        Vale,

        CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60349 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mass graves of Himera
        A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
         

        Salvete omnes,
         
        Studies of nutrition and correlating heights indicate that at the time of the Republic average male heights were approx 169.2cm., about 5 ft 6.6 inches. There are many good studies regarding this but here is one that might be interesting: http://www.ata.boun.edu.tr/ehes/Istanbul%20Conference%20Papers-%20May%202005/Koepke_Baten_Istanbul.pdf
        <http://www.ata.boun.edu.tr/ehes/Istanbul%20Conference%20Papers-%20May%202005/Koepke_Baten_Istanbul.pdf>

        I don't know whether I would call 175 cm. giants, but at a closer look at this study one will find that the closer to the Mediterranean the shorter the people. Still we must remember that in some literature it is said that soldiers in the Republic had to be at least 5'8" tall although it is questionable that they adhered to this.

            ATS:  This is quite interesting.  I seem to recall reading somewhere that there is some sort of biological law which favors short, dark varieties near the equator and tall, light ones nearer the poles (not only humans; other living things as well).  Perhaps someone more scientifically oriented can come up with the exact statement.  However, I also recall reading about some charming chaps found in Greece, a couple of Neandertals (literally) who were six feet tall.  Especially given the reported relative volume of brains to muscles in this subspecies, they must have been an imposing and terrifying pair, a must to avoid.  
         
        Marinus, it appears, would have been at considered tall based on the noted study. To me, at 157 cm, or 5'2" he would be considered tall.

            ATS:  Yes, he’s pretty tall.  I think TGP is, too.  

        My 16 y/o, on the other hand, at 6'5" on his last check-up a year ago, might have very well been considered a giant; one of his hands swallows up both of mine.

            ATS:  Have you checked his DNA for anomalies?  ;-)

        Caesar at least, being fair and tall, would have been considered quite an aesthetic catch.
         
        Around that period of the Himera find 480 BC, from recollection, the average male population was approx 167 cm which is about 5'5." I could not find a study on line to corroborate, so don't hold me to it. So given this statistic 175 cm is considered quite tall.

            ATS:  I had heard about the same height range for most Roman males, say 5 feet 6 or so.

         Would be interesting to know the requirements for the Greek colonies' soldiers. Also Military Greeks at that time notoriously groomed their children for soldiering so I can only speculate that these children were fed well.

            ATS:  Probably, but that might not make them exceptionally tall, only taller and more robust than some others, notably those who were not as well-fed.  It would indeed be interesting to know what, if any, requirements there were.  Here one may joke that the army will accept any human who breathes, though I doubt they are that liberal.  
         
        Because of possible negative connotations having to do with race superiority and other derogatory aspects there are few studies to be found on the net, but they can be found in libraries.
         
        Another interesting find, with heights noted is:
        http://www.sanfernandohs.com/ourpages/auto/2006/11/6/1162849349609/Roman%20Descendants%20Found%20in%20Gansu.doc <http://www.sanfernandohs.com/ourpages/auto/2006/11/6/1162849349609/Roman%20Descendants%20Found%20in%20Gansu.doc> .
         
        Thank you Picinus and I look forward to more of these articles!

            ATS:  Yes, indeed.  Once in a while the ML rises above its normal self...  By the way, the one photograph identified as an infant looks to me more like a young child; the cerebral sutures are closed, and the deciduous dentition appears fairly complete.  Overall size seems too large for an infant as well.  
         
        Valete,
         
        Julia Aquila

        Vale, et valete.  

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
        >
        > Salve Plauta,
        >
        > Lucia Livia Plauta cases@... writes:
        >
        > > what's incredible is that the people buried there were real giants
        > > (175 cm high)!
        >
        > I'm 180 cm tall, and I don't consider myself a giant. G. Iulius
        > Caesar was a bit taller than I am, I understand.
        >
        > Vale,
        >
        > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
        >
         
              
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60350 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: School days, school days
        School days, school days A. Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis, praesertim discipulis optimis suís, S.P.D.

            As several of the students are aware, Latin classes will resume Monday, January 5th.  Since the server is still not operating at this writing despite an earlier promise that it or a replacement would be online by December 22d, it seems that we must conduct class via e-mail and/or Yahoo lists.  The latter appear to be more functional the last few days, though some messages are still coming in out of sequence.  Nonetheless, this would be easier than using e-mail, especially for the very large Sermo I class.  If the server is still out tomorrow, I shall notify the students by group mail, and try to make the best of a bad situation.  

        Valete.  
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60351 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Salvete
         
         
        This chart lists the average height for both males and females from around the world.
         
        The commander of the XX Legion here in Terra Maria, Matt Ant, has stated that the Roman
        trooper was about 5'5' tall.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height
        Average us male 176.85 cm (5' 9.6") us female 163.34 cm (5' 4.3")
         
        I am 183 cm tall or just over 6' 1/4 inches.
         
        Valete
         
        Paulinus






        To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        From: fororom@...
        Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 02:27:15 -0500
        Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mass graves of Himera



        A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
         

        Salvete omnes,
         
        Studies of nutrition and correlating heights indicate that at the time of the Republic average male heights were approx 169.2cm., about 5 ft 6.6 inches. There are many good studies regarding this but here is one that might be interesting: http://www.ata. boun.edu. tr/ehes/Istanbul %20Conference% 20Papers- %20May%202005/ Koepke_Baten_ Istanbul. pdf
        <http://www.ata. boun.edu. tr/ehes/Istanbul %20Conference% 20Papers- %20May%202005/ Koepke_Baten_ Istanbul. pdf>

        I don't know whether I would call 175 cm. giants, but at a closer look at this study one will find that the closer to the Mediterranean the shorter the people. Still we must remember that in some literature it is said that soldiers in the Republic had to be at least 5'8" tall although it is questionable that they adhered to this.

            ATS:  This is quite interesting.  I seem to recall reading somewhere that there is some sort of biological law which favors short, dark varieties near the equator and tall, light ones nearer the poles (not only humans; other living things as well).  Perhaps someone more scientifically oriented can come up with the exact statement.  However, I also recall reading about some charming chaps found in Greece, a couple of Neandertals (literally) who were six feet tall.  Especially given the reported relative volume of brains to muscles in this subspecies, they must have been an imposing and terrifying pair, a must to avoid.  
         
        Marinus, it appears, would have been at considered tall based on the noted study. To me, at 157 cm, or 5'2" he would be considered tall.

            ATS:  Yes, he’s pretty tall.  I think TGP is, too.  

        My 16 y/o, on the other hand, at 6'5" on his last check-up a year ago, might have very well been considered a giant; one of his hands swallows up both of mine.

            ATS:  Have you checked his DNA for anomalies?  ;-)

        Caesar at least, being fair and tall, would have been considered quite an aesthetic catch.
         
        Around that period of the Himera find 480 BC, from recollection, the average male population was approx 167 cm which is about 5'5." I could not find a study on line to corroborate, so don't hold me to it. So given this statistic 175 cm is considered quite tall.

            ATS:  I had heard about the same height range for most Roman males, say 5 feet 6 or so.

         Would be interesting to know the requirements for the Greek colonies' soldiers. Also Military Greeks at that time notoriously groomed their children for soldiering so I can only speculate that these children were fed well.

            ATS:  Probably, but that might not make them exceptionally tall, only taller and more robust than some others, notably those who were not as well-fed.  It would indeed be interesting to know what, if any, requirements there were.  Here one may joke that the army will accept any human who breathes, though I doubt they are that liberal.  
         
        Because of possible negative connotations having to do with race superiority and other derogatory aspects there are few studies to be found on the net, but they can be found in libraries.
         
        Another interesting find, with heights noted is:
        http://www.sanferna ndohs.com/ ourpages/ auto/2006/ 11/6/11628493496 09/Roman% 20Descendants% 20Found%20in% 20Gansu.doc <http://www.sanferna ndohs.com/ ourpages/ auto/2006/ 11/6/11628493496 09/Roman% 20Descendants% 20Found%20in% 20Gansu.doc> .
         
        Thank you Picinus and I look forward to more of these articles!

            ATS:  Yes, indeed.  Once in a while the ML rises above its normal self...  By the way, the one photograph identified as an infant looks to me more like a young child; the cerebral sutures are closed, and the deciduous dentition appears fairly complete.  Overall size seems too large for an infant as well.  
         
        Valete,
         
        Julia Aquila

        Vale, et valete.  

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
        >
        > Salve Plauta,
        >
        > Lucia Livia Plauta cases@... writes:
        >
        > > what's incredible is that the people buried there were real giants
        > > (175 cm high)!
        >
        > I'm 180 cm tall, and I don't consider myself a giant. G. Iulius
        > Caesar was a bit taller than I am, I understand.
        >
        > Vale,
        >
        > CN-EQVIT-MARINVS
        >
         
              
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60352 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Height - Body volume - mass versus surface area; was Re: Mass graves
        Avete omnes;

        Per the subject line.

        What we have is an environmental adaptation.

        Taller, heavier creatures have larger body volume versus surface area.

        In colder climes this enables the body's metabolism to more
        efficiently keep a healthy core temperature.

        In warmer climes; smaller body volume ratio versus surface area.

        One will also notice that creatures living further and further north
        (or south) in will also have smaller ears, this being part of the
        body's "radiator" system, as well as part of the sonic focusing
        mechanism.

        One need only look at the White Tailed Deer of North America; a specie
        which I have hunted for over 35 years.

        In northwest Florida (where Machinatrix and I were stationed a quarter
        century ago), a nice sized adult buck is around 135 - 150 pounds (60 -
        70 kg) on the hoof.

        In northern New England (my home area) this is around 250 - 300 pounds
        live weight (110 - 140 kg).

        Further north, one reads of White Tails in the 450 - 520 pound range
        (200 - 240 kg).

        Further south; 90 - 110 pounds (40 - 50 kg).

        Out of the 63 deer I have killed over the years, the largest was a
        buck taken on the grounds of an apple orchard in Vermont; he was 288
        pounds (130 kg). The smallest was in a friend's tree farm in Florida;
        he was 131 pounds (59 kg). These are live weight estimates based on
        chest girth and field dressed weight, using a chart supplied by the
        game warden.

        Both of these were mature males, the first estimated at 6 - 7 years of
        age, the second at 5 - 6; average lifespan in the wild is 4 - 8 years,
        whitetails in captivity have lived as long as 20.

        Same specie, different subspecies, which show adaptation to different
        environmental habitats.

        Adaptations will also come versus quality and abundance of food
        supplies, water, living space, sunlight...normally the adaptations
        affected by nutrition will be most readily seen over the fewest
        generations.

        mea sententia - Venator
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60353 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        M. Moravius C. Petronio

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
        <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
        >
        > I always was amazing by the fact that Anglo-saxons could go on the
        > Moon, using very old measures as feet, inches... ;o)
        >

        <G> Not all of us here in the US are Anglo-Saxons. I'm certainly
        not. A shool acquaintance of mine worked for NASA. His family came
        from Hungaria, and he stood maybe 157 cm. About the height of my
        mother. And I, who had to calculate it from inches, stand 178 cm
        today, but was once taller before falling out of helicoptors, having
        my head thumped a few times, or my disks collapsing from age. I of
        Italian descent tower over my Nordic surrogate mother who stands at
        142 cm.

        Personal height is a function of genes, diet, and life style. So is
        life expectancy. I found it interesting, when reviewing Latin
        funerary inscriptions, that most of those I found in the provinciae
        of Gallia, men and women, died in their twenties. While in north
        Africa there was one Roman colony where people were living beyond a
        hundred, and few died before reaching eighty. Of course in both
        cases, those found with grave markers would only represent a certain
        portion of the society and would not provide us with a true view of
        life expectancy in these regions; for the most part nor do they
        provide us with data on time periods.
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60354 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Pridie Nonas Ianuarias: Compitalia
        M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
        plurimam dicit: Satin si cui homini dei esse bene factum volunt,
        aliquo illud pacto optingit optatum piis? Di vos inculumes custodiant

        Hodie est ante die pristini Nonas Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis
        est: Compitalia

        "On the day before the Nones of January, according to Caesar's
        computation, the Dolphin rises in the morning." ~ C. Plinius
        Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.64

        "The fixed days are those of which I have already spoken; now I shall
        speak of those annual festivals for which there are not fixed days.
        The Compitalia is a day assigned to the Lares of the highways.
        Therefore where the highways meet (competent), sacrifice is then made
        at the crossroads (compita). This day is appointed each year." ~ M.
        Terrentius Varro, Lingua Latina 6.25

        The Compitala, not being a feriae stativa, was proclaimed each year
        by the Praetor. It fell between Saturnalia (17 Dec.) and the Nones of
        January (7 Jan.), but generally towards the end of this period. The
        formula for announcing this festival, usually proclaimed on 1 Jan. or
        shortly after, had the Praetor say:

        "On the ninth day the Roman people, the Quirites, will celebrate the
        Compitalia; when they shall have begun, legal business ceases." ~
        Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae 10.24.3

        In the countryside the compita were formed at the intersections of
        lanes that separate property lines. In parceling out land, the
        commissions established by the Gracchi would erect inscribed stones
        as boundary markers, and these may have served as a type of country
        altar. Mention by Florus and Apuleius of large, naturally occurring
        rocks on country estates on which libations are poured would indicate
        anthropic altars of Silvanus. Boundary markers and piles of stones
        were different, for, being erected by humans, they held numina of the
        genii of those who erected them. On a family farm, those piles of
        stones would therefore be thought to hold the numina of one's
        ancestors, and those of the ancestors of one's neighbors. Thus
        neighbors might meet there to celebrate Compitalia together, as Ovid
        described of Terminalia. However the Compitalia refers more to the
        intersection of public highways. A traveler along the Roman roads
        might pray to the Lares Viales for protection.

        "Lares Viales, I call upon you to kindly protect me." ~ T. Maccius
        Plautus, Mercator 865

        Coming upon an intersection, a traveler would often leave an offering
        for Mercurius that included a stone, much as one would place a stone
        or pebble at the family lararium each year on his or her birthday.
        After a while a pile of stones would built up into a type of altar on
        which offerings might be left. We know, for example, that at Feralia
        offering were placed at crossroads for those Lares that we generally
        call Lemures. There is really little or no difference between Lares
        Viales, Lares Compitiales, or the Lemures, they are all spirits of
        the dead who travel along the roadways. These can include spirits of
        animals as well as humans; it is really more a matter of how you
        think of them. Like the rustic altars, the compita of public
        highways held the numina of those who had past long ago and offered
        sacrifice at the altar. That is, the Lares Viales and Lares
        Compitales were fellow travelers in a sense. Just as merchants and
        pilgrams might travel together for added protection, they called upon
        their spiritual companions as well.

        As at other festivals for the Lares, proper offerings should include
        water for travelers to wash, milk as a libation, olive oil, honey,
        bread, red flowers, incense, and perhaps fruit and nuts. These
        offering are properly placed on pottery shards or broken vessels or
        otherwise on crudely woven platters of reeds, rather than on fine
        cups and dishes as you might use in offering to the celestial Gods or
        to your family Lares.

        "Is it not enough that when the Gods wish us well, our piety is
        rewarded?" ~ T. Maccius Plautus, Rudens 1193-5


        Today's thought is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 4.18:

        "How much trouble he avoids who does not look to see what his
        neighbour says or does or thinks, but only to what he does himself,
        that it may be just and pure; or as Agathon says, look not round at
        the depraved morals of others, but run straight along the line
        without deviating from it."
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60355 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: David Meadows Explorator 11.37
        Salvete Nova Romans
         
        FYI
         
        Valete
         
        Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
         

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        ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)
        ===============================================================
        Macedonian archaeologists are claiming to have discovered some
        4000 b.p. writing (I hae me doots):

        http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/4915/2/

        Brief item on the discovery of a 6th/5th century B.C. necropolis
        at Spoleto:

        http://www.terninrete.it/headlines/articolo_view.asp?ARTICOLO_ID=161723

        ... and a similarly-brief item on the results of this year's dig
        at Episkopi-Bamboula:

        http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/link.asp?twindow=Default&smenu=69&sdetail=7121&mad=No&wpage=&skeyword=&sidate=

        Some Punic tombs in Malta are getting in the way of private
        hospital construction:

        http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20081231/local/still-too-early-to-tell-fate-of-punic-tombs
        http://www.maltamediaonline.com/?p=3654

        ... as are some Roman burials getting in the way of office construction
        in Clerkenwell:

        http://www.thecnj.co.uk/islington/2009/010209/inews010209_14.html

        The 'Lord of Amiternum' has been restored:

        http://iltempo.ilsole24ore.com/abruzzo/2008/12/31/970469-ultimati_restauri_signore_amiternum.shtml

        The dig at Troy appears to have secured funding:

        http://www.sz-online.de/nachrichten/artikel.asp?id=2034395
        http://www.halternerzeitung.de/nachrichten/kultur/art617,444508
        http://de.news.yahoo.com/26/20081230/ten-forscher-knnen-ausgrabungen-in-troja-c134cff.html
        http://www.mz-web.de/artikel?id=1229759952968
        http://www.tagesspiegel.de/magazin/wissen/geschichte/Troja;art15504,2694693

        A feature on Vindolanda:

        http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24859839-5013309,00.html

        ClassCon in a piece on 2009 predictions:

        http://weekendamerica.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/01/03/cassandras/

        More coverage of that claimed link between drought and the
        fall of Rome:

        http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/12/29/roman-empire-cave.html

        That Villa delle Vignacce story is still bouncing around:

        http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Well+known+baths+awash+hidden+artifacts+rare+finds/1086776/story.html

        Review of Mary Beard, *Fires of Vesuvius*:

        http://www.tampabay.com/SearchForwardServlet.do?articleId=955342

        Recent reviews from BMCR:

        http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/recent.html

        Recent reviews from Scholia:

        http://www.classics.ukzn.ac.za/reviews/2008.htm

        Visit our blog:

        http://www.atrium-media.com/rogueclassicism

        Blegen Library News:

        http://blegen.blogspot.com/

        Mediterranean Archaeology:

        http://medarch.blogspot.com/
         
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60356 From: philippe cardon Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: David Meadows Explorator 11.37
        "The 4,000 year old signs written on the lid of the clay artifact"
         
        what signs? signs the archaelogists can read because otherwise how could they read the name of the Goddss vesta?
        so what signs? Greek alphabet? certianly not. is is no more than 3000 years old
        Linear B? it is older but not so much (3500 years old)
        Linear A? i have never read that Linear A was deciphered
        egyptian or babylonian signs?
        I know that some claim to have found in danubian aera proof of very old scriptures predating Sumer but nobody claim he can read them
         
        I ver y dubious
        anoher fake in the realm of the Greek-slavic war regarding macedonia?
         
        Varro
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Gallagher
        Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 3:43 PM
        Subject: [Nova-Roma] David Meadows Explorator 11.37

        Salvete Nova Romans
         
        FYI
         
        Valete
         
        Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
         

        explorator 11.37
        January 4, 2009
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        Thanks to Arthur Shippee, Dave Sowdon, Hernan Astudillo,
        John McMahon, Joseph Lauer, Bob Heuman, Rochelle Altman,
        Ross W. Sargent, Alfredo De La Fe, Ruben Post, and W. Richard
        Frahm for headses upses this week (as always hoping I have left
        no one out).
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        ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)
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        Macedonian archaeologists are claiming to have discovered some
        4000 b.p. writing (I hae me doots):

        http://macedoniaonl ine.eu/content/ view/4915/ 2/



        Brief item on the discovery of a 6th/5th century B.C. necropolis
        at Spoleto:

        http://www.terninre te.it/headlines/ articolo_ view.asp? ARTICOLO_ ID=161723

        ... and a similarly-brief item on the results of this year's dig
        at Episkopi-Bamboula:

        http://www.famagust a-gazette. com/link. asp?twindow= Default&smenu=69&sdetail=7121&mad=No&wpage=&skeyword=&sidate=

        Some Punic tombs in Malta are getting in the way of private
        hospital construction:

        http://www.timesofm alta.com/ articles/ view/20081231/ local/still- too-early- to-tell-fate- of-punic- tombs
        http://www.maltamed iaonline. com/?p=3654

        ... as are some Roman burials getting in the way of office construction
        in Clerkenwell:

        http://www.thecnj. co.uk/islington/ 2009/010209/ inews010209_ 14.html

        The 'Lord of Amiternum' has been restored:

        http://iltempo. ilsole24ore. com/abruzzo/ 2008/12/31/ 970469-ultimati_ restauri_ signore_amiternu m.shtml

        The dig at Troy appears to have secured funding:

        http://www.sz- online.de/ nachrichten/ artikel.asp? id=2034395
        http://www.halterne rzeitung. de/nachrichten/ kultur/art617, 444508
        http://de.news. yahoo.com/ 26/20081230/ ten-forscher- knnen-ausgrabung en-in-troja- c134cff.html
        http://www.mz- web.de/artikel? id=1229759952968
        http://www.tagesspi egel.de/magazin/ wissen/geschicht e/Troja;art15504 ,2694693

        A feature on Vindolanda:

        http://www.news. com.au/courierma il/story/ 0,23739,24859839 -5013309, 00.html

        ClassCon in a piece on 2009 predictions:

        http://weekendameri ca.publicradio. org/display/ web/2009/ 01/03/cassandras /

        More coverage of that claimed link between drought and the
        fall of Rome:

        http://dsc.discover y.com/news/ 2008/12/29/ roman-empire- cave.html

        That Villa delle Vignacce story is still bouncing around:

        http://www.ottawaci tizen.com/ Well+known+ baths+awash+ hidden+artifacts +rare+finds/ 1086776/story. html

        Review of Mary Beard, *Fires of Vesuvius*:

        http://www.tampabay .com/SearchForwa rdServlet. do?articleId= 955342

        Recent reviews from BMCR:

        http://ccat. sas.upenn. edu/bmcr/ recent.html

        Recent reviews from Scholia:

        http://www.classics .ukzn.ac. za/reviews/ 2008.htm

        Visit our blog:

        http://www.atrium- media.com/ rogueclassicism

        Blegen Library News:

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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60357 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
        I have never seen that show, but the video was fun to watch. Thanks for sharing.
        Maxima Valeria Messallia


        --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
        From: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...>
        Subject: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
        To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 1:39 PM

        What have the Romans ever done for us ?
         
         
        Optime valete
        Titus Flavius Aquila



        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60358 From: Sebastian José Molina Palacios Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
        I saw the film last week. Simply wonderful. And about this part of it talking about what Romans gave to us, what can I say? They told everything. Chapeau.

        --- El dom 4-ene-09, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@...> escribió:
        De: Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@...>
        Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
        A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        Fecha: domingo, 4 enero, 2009, 4:37 pm

        I have never seen that show, but the video was fun to watch. Thanks for sharing.
        Maxima Valeria Messallia


        --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de> wrote:
        From: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de>
        Subject: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
        To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
        Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 1:39 PM

        What have the Romans ever done for us ?
         
         
        Optime valete
        Titus Flavius Aquila






        ¡Todo sobre Amor y Sexo!
        La guía completa para tu vida en Mujer de Hoy:
        http://mujerdehoy.telemundo.yahoo.com/
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60359 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: About togas
        Salve Genialis !

        Contact both Cn. Cornelius Lentulus and T. Iulius Sabinus: last
        summer, we shot in Dacia a short movie on wearing a toga (I shot,
        Sabinus got clothed by Lentulus, TIS producer).

        Ask TIS where/how you could get the movie, if he does not mind.


        Vale!


        P. Memmius Albucius


        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Arminius Genialis"
        <tagenialis@...> wrote:
        >
        > Salvete
        >
        > Nova Roma has not a specific rule concerning toga wearing, has it?
        I mean...
        > stripe widths, stripe colours, styles etc.
        >
        > I have found in our website little information about it, and it is
        a little
        > different from other sources, such as Wikipedia (even though this
        may not be
        > properly a good historic-scientific source) and others.
        >
        > I know there have already been previous discussions on this list,
        but I
        > think this should be matter for perhaps a senatusconsultum or
        > something-like-this for an official solution.
        >
        > Not only for togas but for the whole clothing: tunic, shoes, women
        clothing
        > etc.
        >
        > What do you think? Do we have any clothing specialist here?
        >
        > TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
        > Lictor Curiatus
        > Rogator
        > Legatus Pro Praetore Brasiliae Provinciae
        > Interpres Lusitanicae Linguae
        > Scriba Censoris
        > tagenialis@...
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60360 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera

        Salvéte, amícae et amící!

         

             ATS:  This is quite interesting.  I seem to recall reading somewhere that there is some sort of biological law which favors short, dark varieties near the equator and tall, light ones nearer the poles (not only humans; other living things as well).  

         

        That would be interesting to look into but I seem to recall this also do I  venture to say that is an old study based on observation; much of this having to do with indigenous races such as aborigines.  While observation is very important the newer studies are taking in many other variables such as adaptation and nutritionÂ… also DNA is opening up a newer world and we are getting closer to DNA samples from ancient human remains that are reliable. Look it up if you ever get the time, very interesting. I remember when I was in grammar school (a very looong time ago) if anyone even mentioned the idea that Romans even went near some parts of the Orient they would be told that was impossible. DNA markers will reveal even more and affirm other evidence. Take the Romans in the Gansu province for example. Not proven btw, still a theory:

        http://www.archaeology.org/9905/newsbriefs/china.html

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1541421/Roman-descendants-found-in-China.html

         

              ATS: I also recall reading about some charming chaps found in Greece, a couple of Neandertals (literally) who were six feet tall.

         

        Yes. Alexander was reputed to be very tall and very fair.

         

             LJA: My 16 y/o, on the other hand, at 6'5"(195.58cm) on his last check-up a year ago, might have very well been considered a giant; one of his hands swallows up both of mine.
             ATS:  Have you checked his DNA for anomalies?  ;-)

         

        No but I check my refrigerator frequently and it is depletes quickly *laughs*, my bank account depletes accordingly, a bit quicker because I am clothing a giant.

        My mother was barely 5 feet tall but her brother, my uncle was 6'6", 198cm. The women on my maternal side were smaller and petite and but the men could be as short as 5' 8", 172.72cm, and then as tall as 6'6", 195.58 cm, but averaged about 6', 182.88. However my maternal great Grandmother was 5'6" 167.64, and great grandfather was 6'2" 187.96cm tall.  The women on my paternal side were taller averaging about 5'5" 165.10cm but the men were all on the tall side but all between 5' 11" 180.34cm to 6'2" 187.96cm, without much of a range. It appears Metullus' family is similar in stature to the maternal side of my family.

         

              LJA:Would be interesting to know the requirements for the Greek colonies' soldiers. Also Military Greeks at that time notoriously groomed their children for soldiering so I can only speculate that these children were fed well.
              ATS:  Probably, but that might not make them exceptionally tall, only taller and more robust than some others, notably those who were not as well-fed.  

            MHP: Personal height is a function of genes, diet, and life style. So is
        life expectancy.

         

        There have been some very reliable and excellent studies, even using humansJ, done on nutrition in the past 40 or so years and nutrition is very significant. It is the type of nutrition, vitamins, amount of protein and at what stage of growth are three very important factors. I think that most should know that many obese people are often lacking nutritionally. Of course genetics and health of the subject also play significant roles but studies on rats and dogs from birth show that a lack of good nutrition, even in the obese subjects will stunt growth significantly. For those interested look it up, these should be easily found online. Human subjects for obvious reasons cannot be researched thusly so much of the research is done often by hindsight and some histories may be questionable. Ah the joys of scientific research!

         

            LJA: Thank you Picinus and I look forward to more of these articles!
            ATS:  Yes, indeed.  Once in a while the ML rises above its normal self...

         

        Then let this be the norm of the ML! Concordia at her best!

        It is obvious this is Ven. Picinus' calling!

        Thanks be! If I had some more time I would reply to some of the other marvelous threads! Maybe later;)

         

            Paulinus: This chart lists the average height for both males and females from around the world.

         

        Thank you Paulinus for the chart, a very good reference.

         

            GPD: I always was amazing by the fact that Anglo-saxons could go on the
        Moon, using very old measures as feet, inches...

         

        And you have a way of making me laugh! I had a math teacher who used to joke that if we tried to impose the metric citizen on the US we would have a very tough first year. Now what threw me on this thread was Metullus' mention of "stone" for weight measurement.*laughs* It is evocative of its origin and my imagination formed a funny cartoon! Viva la difference!

         

            MHP: I found it interesting, when reviewing Latin
        funerary inscriptions, that most of those I found in the provinciae
        of Gallia, men and women, died in their twenties. While in north
        Africa there was one Roman colony where people were living beyond a
        hundred, and few died before reaching eighty

         

        Would truly like to read the information on these areas when and if you have the time to post them, I have a great interest in this. Thank you.

         

        Valé, et valéte!

         

        Julia Aquila


        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
        >
        > M. Moravius C. Petronio
        >
        > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
        > jfarnoud94@ wrote:
        > >
        > > I always was amazing by the fact that Anglo-saxons could go on the
        > > Moon, using very old measures as feet, inches... ;o)
        > >
        >
        > <G> Not all of us here in the US are Anglo-Saxons. I'm certainly
        > not. A shool acquaintance of mine worked for NASA. His family came
        > from Hungaria, and he stood maybe 157 cm. About the height of my
        > mother. And I, who had to calculate it from inches, stand 178 cm
        > today, but was once taller before falling out of helicoptors, having
        > my head thumped a few times, or my disks collapsing from age. I of
        > Italian descent tower over my Nordic surrogate mother who stands at
        > 142 cm.
        >
        > Personal height is a function of genes, diet, and life style. So is
        > life expectancy. I found it interesting, when reviewing Latin
        > funerary inscriptions, that most of those I found in the provinciae
        > of Gallia, men and women, died in their twenties. While in north
        > Africa there was one Roman colony where people were living beyond a
        > hundred, and few died before reaching eighty. Of course in both
        > cases, those found with grave markers would only represent a certain
        > portion of the society and would not provide us with a true view of
        > life expectancy in these regions; for the most part nor do they
        > provide us with data on time periods.
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60361 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: HOW EXCESSIVE GOVERNMENT KILLED ANCIENT ROME
        Avete Omnes;

        Interesting article at the Cato Institute site.

        http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cjv14n2-7.html

        =============================
        In amicitia et fides - Venator
        Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60362 From: Ugo Coppola Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Scribes' Edict: Italian translation
        Salvete omnes.
        Here's the Italian Translation of the Scribes Creation Edict given by
        the current Censors.


        EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBAE

        Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas quiritibus
        salutem plurimam dicunt.

        Nomine all'Ufficio approvazioni delle cittadinanze:

        Titus Iulius Sabinus Senior, Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL, distribuirà
        le domande tra gli scribi ed elaborerà le domande nelle seguenti
        lingue: Rumeno ed Inglese. (Francese ed Italiano)

        Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Senior, Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL, distribuirà le
        domande tra gli scribi ed elaborerà le domande nelle seguenti
        lingue: Ungherese, Inglese ed Italiano. (Latino)

        Lo Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL P. Constantinus Placidus elaborerà le
        domande in lingua italiana.

        Lo Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL T. Flavius Aquila elaborerà le domande in
        lingua tedesca.

        Lo Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus elaborerà
        le domande in lingua inglese.

        Lo Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL Marcus Lucretius Agricola è incaricato
        della modifica e manutenzione delle "Pagine Censoriali Protette" sulla
        Wiki di NR sotto supervisione da parte del Censore.

        Scriba Censoris: TGP-GPL Gaius Horatius Aquilinus

        Consulente: Gn. Equitius Marinus

        M. Curiatius Complutensis e Marcus Iulius Severus sono nominati
        Scribae Censoris TGP-GPL per effettuare le transizioni fino al 31
        gennaio 2762 AUC. Porgiamo loro i nostri più sinceri ringraziamenti
        per la disponibilità e per il lungo servizio nell'ufficio Censori.

        Le nomine all'Ufficio del Censo 2762 saranno fatte in date future.

        Datum sub manibus nostris a.d. III Non. Ian MMDCCLXII a.u.c.

        Non si richiede giuramento. Questo editto ha effetto immediatamente.
        Emanato per mano nostra il terzo giorno di Gennaio 2762 A.U.C. sotto
        il consolato di M. Curiatius e M. Iulius.

        Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
        Gaius Popillius Laenas
        Censores Novae Romae
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60363 From: Complutensis Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: EDICTO CENDORIO DE NOMBRAMIENTO DE ASISTENTES


        EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBAE

        Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas quiritibus salutem plurimam dicunt.

        Nombramientos en la oficina de aprobación de ciudadanías:


        Titus Iulius Sabinus Senior, Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL, distribuirá las solicitudes entre los scribae y procesará las solicitudes en los siguientes idiomas: Rumano e Ingles. (Francés e Italiano)

        Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Senior, Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL, distribuirá las solicitudes entre los scribae y procesará las solicitudes en los siguientes idiomas: Húngaro, Ingles e Italiano. (Latín)

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL P. Constantinus Placidus procesará las solicitudes en italiano.

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL T. Flavius Aquila procesará las solicitudes en alemán.

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus procesará las solicitudes en inglés

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL Marcus Lucretius Agricola se encargará de la modificación y mantenimiento de las “Paginas Censoriales Protegidas” en el Wiki de NR bajo la supervisión del Censor.

        Scriba Censoris: TGP-GPL Gaius Horatius Aquilinus

        Consultor: Gn. Equitius Marinus

        M. Curiatius Complutensis y Marcus Iulius Severus son nombrados Scribae Censoris TGP-GPL para realizar la transición hasta el 31 de Enero 2762 AUC. Les damos nuestra más sincera gratitud por su disponibilidad y largo servicio en la Oficina de los Censores.

        Los nombramientos para la Oficina del Censo 2762 serán realizados en fechas futuras.

        Datum sub manibus nostris a.d. III Non. Ian MMDCCLXII a.u.c.

        No se requiere juramento. Este edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente

        Dado por nuestra mano en el tercer día de Enero de 2762 A.U.C. durante el Consulado de M. Curiatius y M. Iulius.

        Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
        Gaius Popillius Laenas
        Censores Novae Romae

        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60364 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: HOW EXCESSIVE GOVERNMENT KILLED ANCIENT ROME
        Salve Collega !

        Imho, this is not excessive government in itself: the central imperial
        gvt used this mean to cope with a social and economic crisis, which,
        added to the size of the empire, the fact that the army had become a
        provincial one, the fact the emperors needs from the end of the 2nd
        to 'buy the army', the excessive expenses of the emperor and his court,
        the money to left the empire for its borders or Silk Road countries,
        etc.

        At a time when many people realize that more government would have
        probably limited the recent financial crisis, this article asks
        question, specially when it summarizes a paragraph in a "State
        socialism" title, describing in fact a feudal situation, like some
        countries currently know (Burma, for ex.).

        Thanks anyway for this interesting reading. :-)

        Vale Venator,


        P. Memmius Albucius



        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus"
        <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:
        >
        > Avete Omnes;
        >
        > Interesting article at the Cato Institute site.
        >
        > http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cjv14n2-7.html
        >
        > =============================
        > In amicitia et fides - Venator
        > Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60365 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: About togas
        Cn. Lentulus Arminio Geniali et P. Memmio pr. sal.

        Here is the link to our video, made during the Conventus:

        How to drape a Roman republican toga:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aFibgeJTVU


        --- Dom 4/1/09, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> ha scritto:

        Salve Genialis !

        Contact both Cn. Cornelius Lentulus and T. Iulius Sabinus: last
        summer, we shot in Dacia a short movie on wearing a toga (I shot,
        Sabinus got clothed by Lentulus, TIS producer).

        Ask TIS where/how you could get the movie, if he does not mind.

        Vale!

        P. Memmius Albucius

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Titus Arminius Genialis"
        <tagenialis@ ...> wrote:
        >
        > Salvete
        >
        > Nova Roma has not a specific rule concerning toga wearing, has it?
        I mean...
        > stripe widths, stripe colours, styles etc.
        >
        > I have found in our website little information about it, and it is
        a little
        > different from other sources, such as Wikipedia (even though this
        may not be
        > properly a good historic-scientific source) and others.
        >
        > I know there have already been previous discussions on this list,
        but I
        > think this should be matter for perhaps a senatusconsultum or
        > something-like- this for an official solution.
        >
        > Not only for togas but for the whole clothing: tunic, shoes, women
        clothing
        > etc.
        >
        > What do you think? Do we have any clothing specialist here?
        >
        > TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
        > Lictor Curiatus
        > Rogator
        > Legatus Pro Praetore Brasiliae Provinciae
        > Interpres Lusitanicae Linguae
        > Scriba Censoris
        > tagenialis@. ..
        >


        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60366 From: Chantal Gaudiano Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: About togas
        P. Corva T. Arminie Geniale s.p.d.

        I think there's such a thing as too much micro-management.

        In other words, the less excuse to induce people to write legislation, the better. (g) I don't see any need to legislate the width of stripe on one's toga. I'd say just look at people's NR portraits, and eyeball it from there.

        Traditionally, they were made of wool, but even that might be negotiable. I live in Houston, Texas, and there's no way I'd wear a wool toga, if I were a guy, during the summer heat. It's sweltering. I'd go for cotton. It wouldn't be period, but it would be a LOT more comfortable.

        Others' opinions on this might vary, however.
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60367 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
        Re: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s  so much !

         
        A. Tullia Scholastica Maximae Valeriae Messallinae T. Flavio Aquilae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

            I am taking a short break from writing a Latin midterm, due out tomorrow...and then must mass mail the lessons to the students in all other classes.  Grrrrrrr.....

        I have never seen that show, but the video was fun to watch. Thanks for sharing.

            This movie is absolutely hilarious, especially for anyone in the classics.  There is, however, one scene which might not be suitable for you, Maxima (male nudity, but nothing wild).  I enjoyed this clip, and took advantage of the link from it to the famous graffiti scene, in which a hapless Roman subject gets caught not only writing anti-Roman graffiti, but also mutilating the grammar of the Latin language.  The soldier who caught him corrects his grammar one word at a time, paradigms included, and makes him write the correct version one hundred times before dawn lest he suffer the loss of his virility.  I heartily recommend this section (called Romanes eunt domus) to anyone who knows Latin, especially my students...magistra timenda is waiting.  Better get that Latin correct...

            It’s been a long time since I saw this movie; I must make time to watch the recording I have of it...vielen Dank!  

        Maxima Valeria Messallina

            Valete.  


        --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...> wrote:
        From: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@...>
        Subject: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
        To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 1:39 PM

        What have the Romans ever done for us ?

        http://de.youtube. com/watch? v=IaE3EaQte78&feature=related <http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=IaE3EaQte78&amp;feature=related>

        Optime valete
        Titus Flavius Aquila



         
         
              
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60368 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: VIVAT RUSSATA! [was: LUDI 2761 all cat. FINAL RESULTS]
        HAIL RUSSATI! HAIL RUSSATI! HAIL RUSSATI!


        We won 2761!!!

        The aedilis reports:

        "Factio Russata has routed the other ones: the Reds get
        nearly as many points than the second and third factions joined and
        have taken away 41 % of the available points! (...) If Veneta keeps its
        efforts, it should succeed in competing more closely with Cn.
        Cornelius Lentulus' Russata.

        1.Russata Cn. Cornelius Lentulus 520 pts
        2.Veneta M. Valeria Messallina 292
        3.Praesina G. Aurelia Falco Silvana 253
        4.Albata Gn. Equitius Marinus 196"


        Thank you for your activities, fellow Reds! This was a great year! And congratulations to the individual winners, especially Cn. Marinus, D. Arminius and Aurelia Silvana:

        "Top Ten results:

        1.Aoife Silurum Gn. Equitius Marinus (Albata) 65 pts
        2.Anthropophagus D. Arminius Brutus (Russata) 62
        3.Spandex Vandalus C. Aurelia Falco Silvana (Praesina) 41
        4.Petronius Gnipho Gn. Equitius Marinus (Albata) 39
        5.Merddyn Q. Servilius Priscus (Praesina) 38
        6.Barinthus M. Martianius Lupus (Veneta) 33
        7.Amara aegeus T. Arminius Genialis (Russata) 32
        8.Stolo G. Petronius Dexter (Veneta) 30
        9.L. Fidelius Lusitanus himself (Veneta) 29
        10.Ambicatos Q. Servilius Priscus (Praesina)29"


        Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
        Dominus Factionis Russatae

        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60369 From: Appius Galerius Aurelianus Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: Scribes' Edict: Italian translation
        Salvete, quei onorati. Con tutto il rispetto dovuto. Posso fare determinate domande attualmente e sono queste domande che parlate di andare anche essere aperto affinchè la cittadinanza generale domandiate in? Se non è troppa da chiedere attualmente può io chiedere il basamento di TGP-GPL per? E posso fare ulteriori domande in avvenire? Omnes di Salvete, Ap.Galerius Aurelianus Tribuna dei Plebs


        --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Ugo Coppola <ugo.coppola@...> wrote:

        > From: Ugo Coppola <ugo.coppola@...>
        > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Scribes' Edict: Italian translation
        > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 12:05 PM
        > Salvete omnes.
        > Here's the Italian Translation of the Scribes Creation
        > Edict given by
        > the current Censors.
        >
        >
        > EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBAE
        >
        > Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas
        > quiritibus
        > salutem plurimam dicunt.
        >
        > Nomine all'Ufficio approvazioni delle cittadinanze:
        >
        > Titus Iulius Sabinus Senior, Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL,
        > distribuirà
        > le domande tra gli scribi ed elaborerà le domande nelle
        > seguenti
        > lingue: Rumeno ed Inglese. (Francese ed Italiano)
        >
        > Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Senior, Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL,
        > distribuirà le
        > domande tra gli scribi ed elaborerà le domande nelle
        > seguenti
        > lingue: Ungherese, Inglese ed Italiano. (Latino)
        >
        > Lo Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL P. Constantinus Placidus
        > elaborerà le
        > domande in lingua italiana.
        >
        > Lo Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL T. Flavius Aquila elaborerà le
        > domande in
        > lingua tedesca.
        >
        > Lo Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus
        > elaborerà
        > le domande in lingua inglese.
        >
        > Lo Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL Marcus Lucretius Agricola è
        > incaricato
        > della modifica e manutenzione delle "Pagine Censoriali
        > Protette" sulla
        > Wiki di NR sotto supervisione da parte del Censore.
        >
        > Scriba Censoris: TGP-GPL Gaius Horatius Aquilinus
        >
        > Consulente: Gn. Equitius Marinus
        >
        > M. Curiatius Complutensis e Marcus Iulius Severus sono
        > nominati
        > Scribae Censoris TGP-GPL per effettuare le transizioni fino
        > al 31
        > gennaio 2762 AUC. Porgiamo loro i nostri più sinceri
        > ringraziamenti
        > per la disponibilità e per il lungo servizio
        > nell'ufficio Censori.
        >
        > Le nomine all'Ufficio del Censo 2762 saranno fatte in
        > date future.
        >
        > Datum sub manibus nostris a.d. III Non. Ian MMDCCLXII
        > a.u.c.
        >
        > Non si richiede giuramento. Questo editto ha effetto
        > immediatamente.
        > Emanato per mano nostra il terzo giorno di Gennaio 2762
        > A.U.C. sotto
        > il consolato di M. Curiatius e M. Iulius.
        >
        > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
        > Gaius Popillius Laenas
        > Censores Novae Romae
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60370 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mass graves of Himera
        A. Tullia Scholastica L. Juliae Aquilae optimae suae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

            Mox cenatum ibo...then back to work.  
         

        Salvéte, amícae et amící!

            
        ATS:  This is quite interesting.  I seem to recall reading somewhere that there is some sort of biological law which favors short, dark varieties near the equator and tall, light ones nearer the poles (not only humans; other living things as well).  

        That would be interesting to look into but I seem to recall this also do I  venture to say that is an old study based on observation; much of this having to do with indigenous races such as aborigines.  

            ATS2:  Observation is the first stage.  This, however, dealt not only with humans, but with all living things.  Venator provided some interesting examples among the cervids.  Here, these pretty creatures have been spotted in the mall parking lot, if not the mall itself, but I am not about to estimate their height or weight.  I was driving by when I saw them...

        While observation is very important the newer studies are taking in many other variables such as adaptation and nutrition∑ also DNA is opening up a newer world and we are getting closer to DNA samples from ancient human remains that are reliable. Look it up if you ever get the time, very interesting.

            ATS2: Do you have a link?  Those here seem not to work.


        I remember when I was in grammar school (a very looong time ago) if anyone even mentioned the idea that Romans even went near some parts of the Orient they would be told that was impossible.

            ATS2:  And the female mummy with the long blonde hair found in China a few years ago might have received a similar reception.  Word had it, too, that there was no sech thing as continental drift.  It was an illusion that the west coast of Africa looked as if it had been joined to the east coast of south America...


         DNA markers will reveal even more and affirm other evidence. Take the Romans in the Gansu province for example. Not proven btw, still a theory:
        http://www.archaeology.org/9905/newsbriefs/china.html <http://www.archaeology.org/9905/newsbriefs/china.html>
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1541421/Roman-descendants-found-in-China.html <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1541421/Roman-descendants-found-in-China.html>

             
        ATS:
        I also recall reading about some charming chaps found in Greece, a couple of Neandertals (literally) who were six feet tall.

        Yes. Alexander was reputed to be very tall and very fair.

            ATS2:  And he was from farther north...and lived a lot later than genuine Neandertals.  Some books I have go into detail about the Dorian invasions and the coloring of the invaders, etc., but that may be based on wishful thinking or speculation.  

             
        LJA:
        My 16 y/o, on the other hand, at 6'5"(195.58cm) on his last check-up a year ago, might have very well been considered a giant; one of his hands swallows up both of mine.
            ATS:  Have you checked his DNA for anomalies?  ;-)
         
        No but I check my refrigerator frequently and it is depletes quickly *laughs*, my bank account depletes accordingly, a bit quicker because I am clothing a giant.

            ATS2:  You’re sure he doesn’t have an extra Y, or maybe Marfan syndrome (I believe that is the name)?   Adolescent boys are really black holes in disguise; they have hollow legs, and can consume any form of food in quantities one might consider impossible.  Your bank account is in serious danger.  

        My mother was barely 5 feet tall but her brother, my uncle was 6'6", 198cm. The women on my maternal side were smaller and petite and but the men could be as short as 5' 8",
        172.72cm, and then as tall as 6'6", 195.58 cm, but averaged about 6', 182.88. However my maternal great Grandmother was 5'6" 167.64, and great grandfather was 6'2" 187.96cm tall.  The women on my paternal side were taller averaging about 5'5" 165.10cm but the men were all on the tall side but all between 5' 11" 180.34cm to 6'2" 187.96cm, without much of a range. It appears Metullus' family is similar in stature to the maternal side of my family.
         
             LJA:Would be interesting to know the requirements for the Greek colonies' soldiers. Also Military Greeks at that time notoriously groomed their children for soldiering so I can only speculate that these children were fed well.
              ATS:  Probably, but that might not make them exceptionally tall, only taller and more robust than some others, notably those who were not as well-fed.  
            MHP:
        Personal height is a function of genes, diet, and life style. So is
        life expectancy.

            ATS2:  Yes, and I have seen some information on that, too, as well as cephalic index.  
         
        There have been some very reliable and excellent studies, even using humansJ, done on nutrition in the past 40 or so years and nutrition is very significant. It is the type of nutrition, vitamins, amount of protein and at what stage of growth are three very important factors.

            ATS2:  Yes.  I have read some on the pernicious effects of malnutrition below age two in particular, and that puberty will stop short, even reverse, if malnutrition occurs at that time of life.  

        I think that most should know that many obese people are often lacking nutritionally.

            ATS2:  That doesn’t surprise me.  


         Of course genetics and health of the subject also play significant roles but studies on rats and dogs from birth show that a lack of good nutrition, even in the obese subjects will stunt growth significantly. For those interested look it up, these should be easily found online. Human subjects for obvious reasons cannot be researched thusly so much of the research is done often by hindsight and some histories may be questionable. Ah the joys of scientific research!

            LJA: Thank you Picinus and I look forward to more of these articles!
            ATS:  Yes, indeed.  Once in a while the ML rises above its normal self...

        Then let this be the norm of the ML! Concordia at her best!


            ATS:  It would be nice if we could discuss intellectual matters here more often.  It might also bore the pests who act more like list trolls than anything else.  

        It is obvious this is Ven. Picinus' calling!
        Thanks be! If I had some more time I would reply to some of the other marvelous threads! Maybe later;)

            Paulinus: This chart lists the average height for both males and females from around the world.
         
        Thank you Paulinus for the chart, a very good reference.
         
           GPD: I always was amazing by the fact that Anglo-saxons could go on the
        Moon, using very old measures as feet, inches...
         
        And you have a way of making me laugh! I had a math teacher who used to joke that if we tried to impose the metric citizen on the US we would have a very tough first year.

            ATS2:  More than that.  A tough eternity, despite the fact that our northern neighbor has taken to the overlarge degrees of the metric system.  GPD should know that scientists use metric measurement much of the time...it’s when some use English measures and some use metric on the same project that problems develop.  


        Now what threw me on this thread was Metullus' mention of "stone" for weight measurement.*laughs* It is evocative of its origin and my imagination formed a funny cartoon! Viva la difference!

            ATS2:  I believe the term stone is used more in Britain than here (Metellus lives in the US).  I think it’s 20 pounds.  Lately he and certain others on the CP list have taken to using an odd variant of the double-distinction Latin spelling rather than the more normal triple distinction system or the quadruple one favored by Avitus and some other Latinists; they distinguish i and u, but not j and v, and do so in an odd fashion.  Seeing Ualete instead of Valete is a bit unsettling; u should be used only for minuscules in that system, and V for capitals.  
         
            
        MHP: I found it interesting, when reviewing Latin
        funerary inscriptions, that most of those I found in the provinciae
        of Gallia, men and women, died in their twenties. While in north
        Africa there was one Roman colony where people were living beyond a
        hundred, and few died before reaching eighty

            ATS2:  I don’t think this message (copied below) reached me.  This is indeed interesting.  In ancient Greece, many died young, before 35, but Sophokles was 98, and so was Isokrates...without benefit of anything resembling modern medicine.  I have heard that the reason why the American president must be at least 35 years old is because it was considered a fairly advanced age, graced with wisdom, and as such, it would not surprise me if I discovered that the reason why people in colonial America favored those powdered wigs was because few lived long enough to go gray, and the wisdom which comes with being around a while was respected, as well it should be.   Some of my ancestors lived into their mid-fifties...in the fifteenth century.  That must have been unusual then.  
         
        Would truly like to read the information on these areas when and if you have the time to post them, I have a great interest in this. Thank you.
         
        Valé, et valéte!
         
        Julia Aquila

        Valé, et valéte.  Off to work I go...


        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@...> wrote:
        >
        > M. Moravius C. Petronio
        >
        > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
        > jfarnoud94@ wrote:
        > >
        > > I always was amazing by the fact that Anglo-saxons could go on the
        > > Moon, using very old measures as feet, inches... ;o)
        > >
        >
        > <G> Not all of us here in the US are Anglo-Saxons. I'm certainly
        > not. A shool acquaintance of mine worked for NASA. His family came
        > from Hungaria, and he stood maybe 157 cm. About the height of my
        > mother. And I, who had to calculate it from inches, stand 178 cm
        > today, but was once taller before falling out of helicoptors, having
        > my head thumped a few times, or my disks collapsing from age. I of
        > Italian descent tower over my Nordic surrogate mother who stands at
        > 142 cm.
        >
        > Personal height is a function of genes, diet, and life style. So is
        > life expectancy. I found it interesting, when reviewing Latin
        > funerary inscriptions, that most of those I found in the provinciae
        > of Gallia, men and women, died in their twenties. While in north
        > Africa there was one Roman colony where people were living beyond a
        > hundred, and few died before reaching eighty. Of course in both
        > cases, those found with grave markers would only represent a certain
        > portion of the society and would not provide us with a true view of
        > life expectancy in these regions; for the most part nor do they
        > provide us with data on time periods.
        >
         
              
           Messages in this topic           <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/60333
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60371 From: Steve Moore Date: 2009-01-04
        Subject: Temple of Vica Pota
        M. Valerius Potitus omnibus SPD.

        The Nones of Ianuarius is the anniversary of the dedication of the
        temple of Vica Pota at the foot of the Velia, built (according to
        Livy, II.vii.5-12) on the site of the house of P. Valerius Poplicola.
        For more details, please see:

        http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Vica_Pota

        Valete.
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60372 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: Re: About togas
        Salvete
         
        I would recommend that everybody look over the Legionxx website.
        It is a very good  reference tool.
         
        http://www.larp.com/legioxx/civcloth.html
         
        Valete
         
        Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
        Censor


         


        To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        From: aerdensrw@...
        Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:51:06 -0800
        Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: About togas


        P. Corva T. Arminie Geniale s.p.d.

        I think there's such a thing as too much micro-management.

        In other words, the less excuse to induce people to write legislation, the better. (g) I don't see any need to legislate the width of stripe on one's toga. I'd say just look at people's NR portraits, and eyeball it from there.

        Traditionally, they were made of wool, but even that might be negotiable. I live in Houston, Texas, and there's no way I'd wear a wool toga, if I were a guy, during the summer heat. It's sweltering. I'd go for cotton. It wouldn't be period, but it would be a LOT more comfortable.

        Others' opinions on this might vary, however.


        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60373 From: Kirsteen Wright Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        On 1/5/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

            ATS2:  I believe the term stone is used more in Britain than here (Metellus lives in the US).  I think it's 20 pounds. 

        Yes, over here we record people's weight in stones and pounds but a stone is 14 pounds, not 20.

        Flavia Lucilla Merula


        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60374 From: C.ARM.RECCANELLVS Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: Re: EDICTUM CONSULARE CURIATI-IULI II DE ASSIGNATIONE QUAESTORUM
        >>> ----- Original Message -----
        >>> From: Complutensis
        >>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:20 AM
        >>> Subject: [Nova-Roma] EDICTUM CONSULARE CURIATI-IULI II DE ASSIGNATIONE
        >>> QUAESTORUM
        >>> Quaestors assignment for 2762 AVC
         
        >>> (...) Gaius Arminius Reccanellus is assigned to the Aedile Plebis Q.
        >>> Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus (...)
         
         
        Thank you, Consules.
         
        I'm here, Aedilis Plebis Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius Postumianus to help you in all ways!
         
        Vale & Valete
        C•ARM•RECCANELLVS•MAIOR
        ======================
        QVAESTOR•NOVAE•ROMAE
        "Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60375 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: NONAE IANUARIAE: Vicae Potae
        M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
        omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Vos quod fexitis, Deos omnes
        fortunare velim

        Hodie est Nonae Ianuariae; haec dies nefastus est: Vicae Potae

        "The rain pelting from black storm clouds will signal the nones, as
        Lyra rises." ~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.315-316

        AUC 246 / 507 BCE: The house of P. Valerius Poplicola

        Following the defeat of the Tarquinii, in which battle Iunius Brutus
        died, his colleague P. Valerius came under suspiscion of seeking to
        become king. He was at the time building a new house atop the
        Velia. But to show his fellow citizens that their suspicions of him
        were wrong, he moved his building site to the bottom of the hill.
        Sometime later, we don't know when, his property was converted to a
        sanctuary for Vica Pota (Livy 2.7). We don't really know anything of
        Vica Pota other than that the Romans came to identify Her as
        Victoria.


        AUC 459 / 294 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Victoria upon the
        Palatine Hill

        "(Consul L. Postumius) previous to his departure he dedicated the
        temple to Victory which he had, when curule aedile, built out of the
        proceeds of fines." ~ Titus Livius 10.33.9

        Greek legend said that Victoria was the daughter of Pallas, the son
        of Lycaon. When Minerva was born, Jupiter gave Her to Pallas to be
        raised. Thus Minerva and Victoria were raised together, as though
        sisters, and She later made Victoria a winged messenger of the Gods.
        Dionysius of Halicarnassus said, "Upon the summit of the (Palantine)
        hill (Evander) set apart the precinct of Victory and instituted
        sacrifices to Her also, lasting throughout the year, which the Romans
        performed even in my time. (1.32.5)." This would appear to have been
        on the northern side of the Palatine, near where the Clivus
        Victoriae , ascending the western side of the hill from the Velabrum
        (Festus 262), suddenly turns right. This older site, attributed to
        Evander, would have been a sanctuary of Vica Pota. Who exactly Vica
        Pota may have been, or what, had long been lost to the Romans by the
        time of Dionysius or Livius. It is not certain where Her locus may
        have been, but presumably a Temple of Victoria would have been built
        in a place already dedicated to Vica Pota.

        Sometime during the Samnite Wars interpretatio Romana idenfied Vica
        Pota with the Samnite Goddess Victoria. It may be significant that
        Livy mentions L. Postumius dedicating Her temple in conjunction with
        his departure to join his colleague M. Atilius Regulus after
        suffering a defeat be the Samnites near Sora.

        "The Samnites, relying on their movements being concealed, came on in
        the dim twilight - what light there was being obscured by the fog-and
        reached the outpost in front of the gate who were keeping a careless
        look-out, and who being thus attacked unawares had neither the
        strength nor the courage to offer any resistance. After disposing of
        the guard they entered the camp through the decuman gate and got
        possession of the quaestor's tent, the quaestor, L. Opimius Pansa,
        being killed. Then there was a general call to arms. The consul
        roused by the tumult ordered two of the allied cohorts, those from
        Luca and Suessa, which happened to be the nearest, to protect the
        headquarters' tent, and then he mustered the maniples in the via
        principalis. They got into line almost before they were in proper
        fighting trim, and they located the enemy by the direction of the
        shouting rather than by anything that they could see; as to his
        numbers they were quite unable to form any estimate. Doubtful as to
        their position they at first retreated, and thus allowed the enemy to
        advance as far as the middle of the camp. Seeing this the consul
        asked them whether they were going to be driven outside their
        rampart, and then try to recover their camp by assaulting it. Then
        they raised the battle-shout and steadily held their ground until
        they were able to take the offensive and force the enemy back, which
        they did persistently without giving him a moment's respite, until
        they had driven him outside the gate and past the rampart. Further
        than that they did not venture to go in pursuit, because the bad
        light made them fear the possibility of a surprise. Content with
        having cleared the enemy out of the camp they retired within the
        rampart, having killed about 300. On the Roman side, the outpost who
        were killed and those who fell round the quaestor's tent amounted to
        230. The partial success of this daring maneuver raised the spirits
        of the Samnites, and they not only prevented the Romans from
        advancing but they even kept the foraging parties out of their
        fields, who had consequently to fall back on the pacified district of
        Sora." ~ Titus Livius 10.32-33

        This was undoubtedly a set back for the Romans, forced as they were
        to retire from the frontier back to Sora. Much of Livy's account of
        the Samnite Wars is garbled legends that were handed down from
        different family histories. Those stories tried to put the best
        light on Rome, but it is clear that the Samnites had the best of the
        Romans much of the time. As with Veii, the Romans possibly sought to
        win over the Samnite Gods to their side. Since Victoria, or so it
        would seem, was the Goddess from whom the Samnites attributed their
        victories, the Romans would have sought Her aid as well, providing
        Her with a Roman cultus to win Her over to their side. Indeed, a
        battle such as Atilius experienced, with his camp nearly overrun, may
        have appeared to have had Victoria change sides in the middle of
        battle, and thereby have saved his army. L. Postimius, receiving the
        report from Atilius, may have offered Her a thanksgiving, and called
        upon Her at the beginning of his campaign to secure Her support, just
        as Camillus had called upon Juno Regina Veii in an earlier time.
        Livy would have us think that L. Postumius had first vowed a temple
        to Victoria years earlier, before his departure on a campaigm against
        the Samnites. So much of what Livy wrote about this period was
        contracted, and with events projected back into earlier times, that
        we cannot be certain on the actual course of events during the
        Samnite Wars.

        The only thing that can be said here is that Victoria was the first
        of the abstract deities introduced to Rome, and that She was first
        introduced from the Samnites. Her image as a winged Goddess arrived a
        little more than twenty years later (AUC 481 / 272 BCE) in the form
        of a statue of Athene taken from Tarentum after the departure of
        Pyrrhus. A coin was struck around the same time, possibly
        commemorating Rome's victory against Pyrrhus, with Roma depicted on
        one side and winged Victoria on the other. She is generally depicted
        as descending from the heavens to award the Wreath of Victory as a
        gift from the Gods and thus is She seen holding the wreath above the
        head of a victorious general, or over the helm of Roma.


        Our thought for today is from Epictetus' Enchiridion 34

        "If you are dazzled by the semblance of any promised pleasure; guard
        yourself against being bewildered by it; but let the affair wait your
        leisure, and procure yourself some delay. Then bring to your mind
        both points of time, – that in which you shall enjoy the pleasure,
        and that in which you will repent and reproach yourself, after you
        have enjoyed it, – and set before you, in opposition to these, how
        you will rejoice and applaud yourself, if you abstain. And even
        though it should appear to you a seasonable gratification, take heed
        that its enticements and allurements and seductions may not subdue
        you; but set in opposition to this, how much better it is to be
        conscious of having gained so great a victory."
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60376 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: Your citizen photo, 1/5/2009, 12:00 pm
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60377 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: AW: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: About togas
        Salvete ,
         
        thank you very much to all involved !
         
        Excellent, exactly what I am was looking for.
         
        Optime vale
        Titus Flavius Aquila


        Von: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...>
        An: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        Gesendet: Montag, den 5. Januar 2009, 00:39:30 Uhr
        Betreff: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: About togas

        Cn. Lentulus Arminio Geniali et P. Memmio pr. sal.

        Here is the link to our video, made during the Conventus:

        How to drape a Roman republican toga:

        http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=9aFibgeJTVU


        --- Dom 4/1/09, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@ hotmail..com> ha scritto:

        Salve Genialis !

        Contact both Cn. Cornelius Lentulus and T. Iulius Sabinus: last
        summer, we shot in Dacia a short movie on wearing a toga (I shot,
        Sabinus got clothed by Lentulus, TIS producer).

        Ask TIS where/how you could get the movie, if he does not mind.

        Vale!

        P. Memmius Albucius

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Titus Arminius Genialis"
        <tagenialis@ ...> wrote:
        >
        > Salvete
        >
        > Nova Roma has not a specific rule concerning toga wearing, has it?
        I mean...
        > stripe widths, stripe colours, styles etc.
        >
        > I have found in our website little information about it, and it is
        a little
        > different from other sources, such as Wikipedia (even though this
        may not be
        > properly a good historic-scientific source) and others.
        >
        > I know there have already been previous discussions on this list,
        but I
        > think this should be matter for perhaps a senatusconsultum or
        > something-like- this for an official solution..
        >
        > Not only for togas but for the whole clothing: tunic, shoes, women
        clothing
        > etc.
        >
        > What do you think? Do we have any clothing specialist here?
        >
        > TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
        > Lictor Curiatus
        > Rogator
        > Legatus Pro Praetore Brasiliae Provinciae
        > Interpres Lusitanicae Linguae
        > Scriba Censoris
        > tagenialis@. ..
        >



        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60378 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: Sacrum Vitae Potae
        M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Pontifex Maximus: Consulibus,
        Senatoribus Patribus Mátribusque Conscriptís, Populo Novo Romano,
        Quiritibus omnibusque: salutem plurimam dicit:

        SACRUM VICAE POTAE

        I. INITIUM

        Praeco dicit: "Hoc agite! Ite procul, sacer est locus, ite profani!"


        II. PRAEFATIO

        Washing his hands in preparation for the Praefatio the Praeses says:

        "Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

        (May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses
        the air.)

        Praeco dicit:

        "Adeste dique hominesque sacris. Procul hinc, procul ite nocentes:
        insontes castosque voco."

        (Come, be present, Gods and men, to these holy rites. Begone, you
        wicked folk, begone far from here. I call only upon the innocent and
        the chaste.)

        Praeses dicit:

        "Pro Senatu Novo Romano, ego, M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus
        Pontifex Maximus dico, edico:"

        (For the Senate and People of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Moravius Piscinus
        Horatianus, the Pontifex Maximus say and announce:)

        "Iane Iunoni, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
        volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

        (Janus Junonius, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers,
        so that You may be propitious to me, to the Senate and to the People
        of Nova Roma.)

        Bay leaves are placed in the focus of the altar.

        "Iane Iunoni, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
        eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

        (Janus Junonius, having offered to You this incense virtuous prayers
        were well prayed; for the sake of (these same reasons) be honored by
        this small portion of wine.)

        A libation of wine is poured.

        "Iuno Coellone, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
        volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novo Romano."

        (Juno Coellone, by offering this incense to You I pray good prayers,
        so that You may be propitious to me, to the Senate and to the People
        of Nova Roma.)

        Bay leaves are placed in the focus of the altar.

        "Iuno Coellone, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus
        sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

        (Juno Coellone, having offered to You this incense virtuous prayers
        were well prayed; for the sake of (these same reasons) be honored by
        this small portion of wine.)

        A libation of wine is poured.


        III. PRECATIO

        Hands are washed in preparation for the Precatio:

        "Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

        (May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses
        the air.)

        "Victoria Divina, custos et domina rei secundae nostrae, perinde ac
        legiones patrum nostrorum duxisti ut tellurem antiquam in Romanitatem
        adducerent, duce nos ut etiam amplius beneficia Romanitatis vulgemus.
        Ut recte nos in deliberationibus nostris regas et in amplexum sacrum
        tuum hos Quirites Novae Romae comprehendas te oro."

        (Holy Victory, guardian and lady of our success, even as You led the
        legions of our forefathers to bring Romanitas to the ancient world,
        lead us that we may spread the benefits of Romanitas yet further. I
        beseech You that You rightly guide us in our deliberations and take
        into Your holy embrace the Quirites of Nova Roma.)

        "Victoria Augusta, uti tibi in illeis libreis scriptum est, quarumque
        rerum ergo, quodque melius siet populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, tibi
        hoc sacrum fiat: te quaeso precorque, uti imperium maiestatemque
        populi Novi Romani Quiritium auxis, utique incolumitatem
        sempiternamque victoriam valetudinemque populo Novo Romano Quiritibus
        des, faveasque populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Remque Publicam Liberam
        populi Novi Romani Quiritium salvam serves, maioremque facias, uti
        sis volens propitius populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Senatui Novo
        Romano, sacerdotibus populi Novi Romani, nobis, domibus, familiis, et
        uti huius sacrifici acceptor sies; harum rerum ergo macte esto fito
        volens propitius populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Senatui Novo Romano,
        sacerdotibus Novis Romanis, nobis, domibus, familiis."

        (Victoria Augusta, as it is prescribed for You in the (sacred) books –
        and for this reason may good fortune attend the people of Nova Roma,
        the Quirites – let sacrifice be made to You. I ask and I pray that
        You may increase the imperium and majesty of the people of Nova Roma,
        the Quirites; and that You may grant eternal safety, victory and
        health to the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that You may
        protect the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites; and that You may
        keep safe and make greater the Free Republic of the people of Nova
        Roma, the Quirites, and that You may be favorable and propitious to
        the people of Nova Roma, the Quirites, to the Senate of Nova Roma, to
        the priests and priestesses of the people of Nova Roma, to us, to our
        homes, and to our households; and that You may accept this sacrifice.
        For these reasons may You become strengthened and honored with this
        sacrifice, may You become favorable and propitious to the people of
        Nova Roma, the Quirites, to the Senate of Nova Roma, to the priests
        and priestesses of the people of Nova Roma, to ourselves, to our
        homes, and to our households.)

        "Victoria Augusta, te hoc libo obmovendo bonas preces precor, uti sis
        volens propitius nobis liberisque nostris, domibus familiisque
        nostris, mactus hoc ferto."

        (Victoria Augusta, in offering You this libum bread I pray good
        prayers in order that, pleased with this offering of libum bread, You
        may be favorable to us and our children, to our homes and our
        households.)

        The Praeses offers cakes of libum.

        "Victoria Augusta, uti te libo obmovendo bonas preces bene precatus
        sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto."

        (Victoria Augusta, for the same reasons given when offering to You
        libum bread with good prayers, may You be warmed by this small
        portion of our wine.)

        The Praeses pours a libation of wine.

        "Do. Dico. Addico:"

        A1 F KAL Iano, Vediovi, Aesculapio, Strenae
        B 2 F dies ater
        C 3 C Pax, Jovi O. M. Iunoni Reginae, Minervae, Jovi Victori, Iunoni
        Sospitae, Marti Victori, Victoriae
        D 4 C Compitalia
        E 5 F NON VICAE POTAE / VICTORIAE (Iunone Coellone, Iano Iunoni,
        Fauno)
        F 6 F dies ater
        G7 C Iovi Sempiterno, Iovi O. M. Iunoni, Salo, Marti Pateri
        H 8 C Iustitia
        A 9 NP AGONALIA Iano
        B 10 EN
        C11 NP CARMENTALIA
        D 12 C Sementivae feriae
        E 13 NP EIDUS (feriae Jovi)
        F 14 EN dies ater
        G15 NP CARMENTAL
        H 16 C Concordia, Caesar Augustus
        A 17 C Felicitas, Ara Numinis Augusti (6 BCE)
        B18 C Iunoni
        C 19 C Sementivae feriae.
        D 20 C
        E 21 C Ludi Palatini,.divae Claudiae (daughter of Nero b. 63 CE)
        F 22 C
        G 3 C (Imperator Augustus Caesar 27 BCE)
        H 24 C (b. Hadrain 76 CE)
        A 25 C
        B 26 C
        C 27 C CASTORI et POLLUCI
        D28 C Victoriae Parthicae, dies imperii Traiani (198 CE)
        E 29 C
        F30 C Ara Pacis Augustae
        G31 C

        "Victoria Augusta, qui res publicas Novas Romanas nunc custodis
        defendisque, sicut res publicas maiorum nostrorum Romanorum
        custodivisti defendistique, tibi fieri oportet in hoc tempore initii
        culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."

        (Victoria Augusta, who protects and defends the public affairs of
        Nova Roma just as You protected and defended the public affairs of
        our Roman ancestors, to You it is proper for a cup of wine to be
        given in this time of beginning, for the sake of this thing may You
        be honored by this feast offering.)

        A libation of wine is poured.


        IV. REDDITIO

        Hands are washed in preparation for the redditio.

        "Haec aqua a corpore impuritates eluat, ut pluvial aera purgat!"

        (May this water cleanse my body of impurities, as the rain cleanses
        the air.)

        "Victoria Augusta, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino
        inferio esto."

        (Victoria Augusta, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You
        be honored by this small portion of wine.)

        A libation of wine is poured and an offering of cake is given.

        "Iuno Coellone, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio
        esto."

        (Juno Coellone, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You be
        honored by the small portion of wine.)

        A libation of wine is poured, and a cake offered.

        "Iane Iunoni, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio
        esto."

        (Janus Junonius, may You be honored by this feast offering, may You
        be honored by this small portion of wine.)

        A libation of wine is poured, and a cake offered.

        "Dea Vesta, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto."

        (Goddess Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honored by this small
        portion of wine.)

        A libation of wine is poured.

        "Vesta, perpetuorum custos ignium, vos publica voce obtestor atque
        precor: custodi serva protege hanc Rem Publicam liberam, hunc
        populum, hos consules, pacem concordiamque constantem Rei Publicae
        nostrae tribue."

        (Vesta, perpetual guardian of fire, to You the public voice calls and
        prays: may You guard, preserve, and protect this Free Republic, this
        People, these consuls; may You grant peace and steadfast concord for
        our Republic.)

        "Nil amplius vos hodie posco, superi, satis est."

        (No more, Gods on High, do I ask of You today; it is enough.)

        "Ilicet. Di deaeque omnes, superi atque inferi, vos semper ament et
        felicitam volunt."

        (Thus it is done. May all the Gods above and below always love you
        and wish you happiness in all that is good.)

        "Vadite in pace Deorum!"

        (Go now in the peace of the Gods.)

        And those observing the rite respond:

        "Di immortales faciant, tam felix quam pium."

        (May the immortal Gods make it so, as fortunate as it is pious.)



        V. PIACULUM

        [The Praeses concludes with a piaculum to Janus, Juno, and Victoria
        Augusta in the event that he might have done anything during the
        ceremony that might be displeasing to the Gods Immortal.]

        "Iane Iunoni, Iuno Coellone, Victoria Augusta, Di Immortales, si
        quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam
        peto et vitium meum expio."

        (Janus Junonius Juno Coellone, Victoria Augusta, Immortal Gods, if
        anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this by this
        small portion of wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.)

        A libation of wine is poured.

        "Di Immortales Romae civibus Novis Romanis et praesentibus et futuris
        faveant!"

        (May the Immortal Gods of Rome bless the citizens and future Citizens
        of Nova Roma.)
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60379 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: Happy New Year
        G. Equitius Cato omnes in foro SPD

        Salvete omnes!

        Happy New Year to all Nova Romans and my sincerest congratulations to
        our new magistrates! May (the) God(s) watch over each and every one
        of you as you fulfill your duties to the Respublica and her citizens.

        Valete bene,

        Cato
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60380 From: Gaius Equitius Cato Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: Proserpina
        OSD C. Equitius Cato

        Salvete omnes!

        "Plouton [Hades] fell in love with Kore [Persephone], and with Zeus'
        help secretly kidnapped her. Demeter roamed the earth over in search
        of her, by day and by night with torches. When she learned from the
        Hermionians that Plouton had kidnapped her, enraged at the gods she
        left the sky, and in the likeness of a woman made her way to Eleusis
        ...When Zeus commanded Plouton to send Kore back up, Plouton gave
        her a pomegranate seed to eat, as assurance that she would not
        remain long with her mother. With no foreknowledge of the outcome of
        her act, she consumed it. Askalaphos, the son of Akheron and
        Gorgyra, bore witness against her, in punishment for which Demeter
        pinned him down with a heavy rock in Hades' realm. But Persephone
        was obliged to spend a third of each year with Plouton, and the
        remainder of the year among the gods." - Apollodorus, The Library
        1.29

        "He [Hades] with Demeter's girl [Persephone] captive, through grassy
        plains, drawn in a four-yoked car with loosened reins, rapt over the
        deep, impelled by love, you flew till Eleusinia's city rose to view:
        there, in a wondrous cave obscure and deep, the sacred maid secure
        from search you keep, the cave of Atthis, whose wide gates display an
        entrance to the kingdoms void of day." - Orphic Hymn 18 to Plouton

        "Pluto asked from Iove that he give him in marriage Ceres' daughter
        and his own. Iove said that Ceres would not permit her daughter to
        live in gloomy Tartarus, but bade him seize her as she was gathering
        flowers on Mount Etna, which is in Sicily. While Proserpina was
        gathering flowers with Venus, Diana, and Minerva, Pluto came in his
        four-horse chariot, and seized her. Afterwards Ceres obtained from
        Iove permission for her to stay half of the year with her, and half
        with Pluto." - Hyginus, Fabulae 146

        In Greece, this day was held in honor of Kore, whom the Romans knew
        as Proserpina or Persephone. Her mother - for the Greeks Demeter,
        for the Romans Ceres - is the goddess of the harvest and of grains
        (hence the term "cereal"), and her father may or may not be Iuppiter
        himself. Upon hearing that her daughter had been kidnapped by Pluto
        (her uncle), she flew into a rage; since Pluto had ridden out of
        Mount Etna, Ceres pronounced a particular curse upon Sicily, and
        then began to roam across the earth, making all living things wither
        and die as she passed, and incidentally creating the first Mysteries
        at Eleusis.

        Iuppiter grew concerned about the fate of the earth and in order to
        save it called Ceres to him to try to mediate between his brother
        Pluto and her. She simply demanded that Iuppiter free her daughter -
        who may or may not have actually enjoyed being the Queen of the
        Underworld and was enthroned in Dis and later is seen playing the
        lyre to calm Cerberus long enough for Orpheus to drag Eurydice past
        him - or she would see that the earth withered for eternity, so
        Iuppiter sent Mercury to get Proserpina, but with the proviso that
        she must not have taken anything out of Pluto's realm with her.

        Of course, she had eaten a number of pomegranate seeds (either being
        fed by Pluto or having eaten them on her own) and so was ordered to
        spend a portion of each year in the Underworld with her husband - a
        portion during which her mother still punishes the earth with
        barrenness, and that's why we have winter.

        Valete!

        Cato
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60381 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: Re: Happy New Year
        SALVETE!

        Just returned from the winter holiday, I wish to all Novi Romani all
        the best in the New Year and great successes to our magistrates!

        Thank you, mi amice Cato, for your nice greetings. A friendly salute
        from Dacia!

        VALETE,
        IVL SABINVS

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Equitius Cato" <mlcinnyc@...>
        wrote:

        > Happy New Year to all Nova Romans and my sincerest congratulations to
        > our new magistrates! May (the) God(s) watch over each and every one
        > of you as you fulfill your duties to the Respublica and her citizens.
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60382 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mass graves of Himera
        A. Tullia Scholastica Flaviae Lucillae Merulae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
         



        On 1/5/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

            ATS2:  I believe the term stone is used more in Britain than here (Metellus lives in the US).  I think it's 20 pounds.  

        Yes, over here we record people's weight in stones and pounds but a stone is 14 pounds, not 20.

            ATS:  Thank you for the correction.  It would, however, make more sense if it were 15 or 20, but I guess sense is not wanted...

            Back to exam writing.  

        Flavia Lucilla Merula

        Vale, et valete.  


         
              
           Messages in this topic           <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/60333
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60383 From: fauxrari Date: 2009-01-05
        Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: About togas
        Thank you! That video was very informative.
        Vale,
        Antonia Auriga

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
        <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
        >
        > Cn. Lentulus Arminio Geniali et P. Memmio pr. sal.
        >
        > Here is the link to our video, made during the Conventus:
        >
        > How to drape a Roman republican toga:
        >
        > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aFibgeJTVU
        >
        >
        > --- Dom 4/1/09, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> ha
        scritto:
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Salve Genialis !
        >
        >
        >
        > Contact both Cn. Cornelius Lentulus and T. Iulius Sabinus: last
        >
        > summer, we shot in Dacia a short movie on wearing a toga (I shot,
        >
        > Sabinus got clothed by Lentulus, TIS producer).
        >
        >
        >
        > Ask TIS where/how you could get the movie, if he does not mind.
        >
        >
        >
        > Vale!
        >
        >
        >
        > P. Memmius Albucius
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Titus Arminius Genialis"
        >
        > <tagenialis@ ...> wrote:
        >
        > >
        >
        > > Salvete
        >
        > >
        >
        > > Nova Roma has not a specific rule concerning toga wearing, has
        it?
        >
        > I mean...
        >
        > > stripe widths, stripe colours, styles etc.
        >
        > >
        >
        > > I have found in our website little information about it, and it
        is
        >
        > a little
        >
        > > different from other sources, such as Wikipedia (even though this
        >
        > may not be
        >
        > > properly a good historic-scientific source) and others.
        >
        > >
        >
        > > I know there have already been previous discussions on this list,
        >
        > but I
        >
        > > think this should be matter for perhaps a senatusconsultum or
        >
        > > something-like- this for an official solution.
        >
        > >
        >
        > > Not only for togas but for the whole clothing: tunic, shoes,
        women
        >
        > clothing
        >
        > > etc.
        >
        > >
        >
        > > What do you think? Do we have any clothing specialist here?
        >
        > >
        >
        > > TITUS ARMINIUS GENIALIS
        >
        > > Lictor Curiatus
        >
        > > Rogator
        >
        > > Legatus Pro Praetore Brasiliae Provinciae
        >
        > > Interpres Lusitanicae Linguae
        >
        > > Scriba Censoris
        >
        > > tagenialis@ ..
        >
        > >
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60384 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-01-06
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Q Caecilius Metellus A Tulliae Scholasticae salutem.

        > ATS2: I believe the term stone is used more in
        > Britain than here (Metellus lives in the US). I think it�s
        > 20 pounds. Lately he and certain others on the CP list have
        > taken to using an odd variant of the double-distinction Latin
        > spelling rather than the more normal triple distinction
        > system or the quadruple one favored by Avitus and some other
        > Latinists; they distinguish i and u, but not j and v, and do
        > so in an odd fashion. Seeing Ualete instead of Valete is a
        > bit unsettling; u should be used only for minuscules in that
        > system, and V for capitals.

        I think the illogical nature of my current profession has brought me to
        apply as much logic to things as I can muster. In deciding to use the i/u
        system, rather than the i/u/v or the i/j//u/v system, it seemed sensible
        (even if non-conforming) to take an all-or-none position on it. Thus, since
        I've gone with the i/u system, I use all i's and all u's. Unconventional,
        yes, but equally logical, and (to my mind) far less confusing. (Though, if
        anyone wants something truly confusing, you're more than welcome to attend
        my monthly lectures on options and option strategies.) It also seems to me
        a bit easier with pronunciation. While we typically approximate the Latin
        'v' to the English 'w', it doesn't seem to me to be quite the case. But
        pronouncing that 'v' as a 'u' sounds a bit closer. Give it a try sometime,
        and tell me how you like (or don't like) it. It's a little difficult at
        first, but it grows on you.

        At any rate, I seem to have a general leaning toward things of my friends
        across the pond. Thus I more frequently write honour, favour, and colour
        than I do honor, favor, and color.

        Uale Optime,

        Quintus Caecilius Metellus
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60385 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-06
        Subject: a. d. VIII Eidus Ianuarias: Pyrrhos
        M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
        plurimam dicit: Di vos salvam et servatam volunt

        Hodie est ante diem VIII Eidus Ianuariae; haec dies fastus aterque
        est:

        Nocturnal rites for Kore (Proserpina) held.

        "The ritual performed at the pit hard by [at Argos] they say was
        instituted by Nikostratos, a native. Even at the present day they
        throw into the pit burning torches in honour of Kore who is daughter
        of Demeter." ~ Pausanias 2.22.3

        "Demeter, Goddess of abundance, Thou dost manifest Thyself both to
        the people of Sikelia and to the sons of Erekhtheus [the Athenians],
        but this among the dwellers in Hermione is judged a mighty feat: the
        bull of surpassing size from a herd, which not even ten men can
        master, this bull an aged woman, coming by herself, leads by the ear
        alone to this altar, and he follows as a child after its mother.
        Thine, even Thine, Demeter, is the power. Show us Thy favour and
        grant that every farm in Hermione may thrive exceedingly." ~ Aelian,
        On Animals 11.4


        AUC 473 / 280 BCE: "King Pyrrhus of the Epirotes came to Italy to
        support the Tarentines."

        "Consul [Publius] Valerius Lavinius unsuccessfully fought against
        Pyrrhus, especially because the soldiers were not used to the
        elephants and were terrified. After the battle, Pyrrhus inspected
        the bodies of the Romans that had fallen during the fight and noticed
        that they were all directed against their enemy. Pillaging the
        country, he proceeded to the city of Rome. The Senate sent Gaius
        Fabricius to Pyrrhus to negotiate the return of the prisoners-of-war.
        In vain, the king tried to persuade him to abandon his country. The
        prisoners were released without payment. Pyrrhus' deputy Cineas was
        sent to the Senate to organize the king's entrance into the city to
        negotiate a peace treaty. It was decided to discuss this matter with
        all senators, but Appius Claudius (who had not visited the
        deliberations for a long time because he suffered from an eye
        disease) came to the Senate and persuaded the senators with his
        speech not to give up."

        "Gnaeus Domitius, the first plebeian censor, celebrated the lustrum
        ceremony. 287,222 citizens were registered. For the second time,
        the Romans fought unsuccessfully against Pyrrhus (AUC 474 / 279 BCE)."

        "When consul Gaius Fabricius heard from someone who had fled from
        Pyrrhus, that he could poison the king, he sent him back to the king
        with a report of what he had done. Pyrrhus went to Sicily (AUC 475 /
        278 BCE)." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 12.6 – 14.1

        AUC 478 / 275 BCE: Pyrrhus returns to Italy

        "There were many portents, and the statue of the Capitoline Jupiter
        was struck down by lightning. Its head was found by the seers. When
        consul Curius Dentatus was recruiting an army, he sold the
        possessions of a man who had not appeared. He defeated Pyrrhus, who
        had returned, and expelled him from Italy. Censor Fabricius removed
        former consul Publius Cornelius Rufinus from the Senate because he
        owned more than ten pounds of silverware. The censors celebrated the
        ritual cleansing [lustratio] of the state after 271,224 citizens had
        been registered." ~ Titus Livius, Perioche 14.2-5

        AUC 481 / 272 BCE: Death of Pyrrhus at Argos

        "[The historic Makedonian general] Pyrrhos was wounded in the head
        [in an attack on the city of Argos]. It is said that his death was
        caused by a blow from a tile thrown by a woman. The Argives however
        declare that it was not a woman who killed him but Demeter in the
        likeness of a woman. This is what the Argives themselves relate about
        his end, and Lykeas, the guide for the neighborhood, has written a
        poem which confirms the story. They have a sanctuary of Demeter,
        built at the command of the oracle, on the spot where Pyrrhos died,
        and in it Pyrrhos is buried." ~ Pausanias 1.13.8

        "The bones of [the historical Makedonian general] Pyrrhos lie in the
        sanctuary of Demeter [in the city of Argos], beside which, as I have
        shown in my account of Attika, his death occurred. At the entrance to
        this sanctuary of Demeter you can see a bronze shield of Pyrrhos
        hanging dedicated over the door." ~ Pausanias 2.21.4


        Our thought for today is an Epicurian poem by Horace, titled "Carpe
        Diem":

        Ask not - we cannot know - for you, for me,
        What end the Gods have set, Leuconoë,
        Nor attempt the Babylonian reckonings.
        How much better to endure whatever comes,
        Whether additional winters Jupiter grants us
        Or whether this is our last, upon the barrier of the cliffs
        Which now wears out the Tuscan Sea!
        Be wise, strain the wine; and since life is brief,
        prune back far-reaching hopes!
        Even while we speak, envious time has passed:
        Sieze the day, putting as little trust as possible in tomorrow!
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60386 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2009-01-06
        Subject: Édito censorial de nomeação de escribas
        Ex Officio

        EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBAE

        Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas quiritibus
        salutem plurimam dicunt.

        Nomeações para o Escritório de aprovação de cidadanias

        Titus Iulius Sabinus Senior Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL distribuirá os pedidos
        de cidadania entre os escribas e processará os pedidos nas seguintes
        línguas: romeno e inglês (francês e italiano)

        Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Senior Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL distribuirá os pedidos
        de cidadania entre os escribas e processará os pedidos nas seguintes
        línguas: húngaro, inglês e italiano (latim).

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL Q. Suetonius Paulinus processará os pedidos em
        espanhol e inglês.

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL P. Constantinus Placidus processará os pedidos em
        italiano.

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL T. Flavius Aquila processará os pedidos em alemão.

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL C. Tullius Valerianus Germanicus processará os
        pedidos em inglês.

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL Marcus Lucretius Agricola editará as páginas do site
        wiki de Nova Roma que são administradas pelos censores, sob sua supervisão.

        Scriba Censoris TGP-GPL Gaius Horatius Aquilinus desempenhará tarefas a
        serem designadas.

        Consultor Gn. Equitius Marinus

        Rogator T. Arminius Genialis (processará pedidos em português)

        Rogator Aula Tullia Scholastica (processará pedidos em inglês e francês
        (latim))

        M. Curiatius Complutensis e Marcus Iulius Severus são nomeados Scriba
        Censoris TGP-GPL para ajudar na transição até 31 de janeiro de 1762. Eles
        têm o nosso sincero agradecimento por sua boa-vontade e seu longo serviço no
        escritório dos censores.

        Nomeações para o Escritório do Censo 2762 serão feitas em outra data.

        Datum sub manibus nostris a.d. III Non. Ian MMDCCLXII a.u.c.

        Não é exigido juramento para os nomeados. Este édito tem efeito
        imediatamente.
        Dado sob nossas mãos ao terceiro dia de janeiro de 2762 A.U.C. no consulado
        de M. Curiatus e M. Iulius.


        Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
        Gaius Popillius Laenas
        Censores, Novae Romae

        [Traduzido pelo Scriba Censoris T. Arminius Genialis. O documento com valor
        legal é o original em inglês.]
        [Translated by Scriba Censoris T. Arminius Genialis. The official version is
        the original document in English.]
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60387 From: twilson6356 Date: 2009-01-06
        Subject: Oath of Office
        C. Terentius Varro Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit:

        I, Gaius Terentius Varro (Terry Wilson) do hereby solemnly swear to
        uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
        interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

        As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Terentius Varro swear to honor
        the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
        the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

        I, Gaius Terentius Varro swear to uphold and defend the Religio
        Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a
        way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

        I, Gaius Terentius Varro swear to protect and defend the Constitution
        of Nova Roma.

        I, Gaius Terentius Varro further swear to fulfill the obligations and
        responsibilities of the office of Diribitor to the best of my
        abilities.

        On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
        Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
        do I accept the position of Diribitor and all the rights, privileges,
        obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

        Given under my hand a.d. VIII Id. Ianuarius, 2762 a.u.c. in the
        Consulship of Marcus Curiatius Complutensius and Marcus Iulius
        Severus.

        C. Terentius Varro
        Diribitor, Novae Romae
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60388 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2009-01-06
        Subject: Oath of Office
        Salvete Omnes!

        I, Annia Minucia Marcella(Anna Michelle Bucci) do hereby solemnly swear to
        uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
        interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

        As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Annia Minucia Marcella(Anna Michelle
        Bucci) swear to honor
        the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
        the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

        I, Annia Minucia Marcella(Anna Michelle Bucci) swear to uphold and
        defend the Religio
        Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a
        way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

        I, Annia Minucia Marcella(Anna Michelle Bucci) swear to protect and
        defend the Constitution
        of Nova Roma.

        I, Annia Minucia Marcella(Anna Michelle Bucci) further swear to fulfill
        the obligations and
        responsibilities of the office of Diribitor to the best of my
        abilities.

        On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
        Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
        do I accept the position of Diribitor and all the rights, privileges,
        obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

        Valete
        - Annia Minucia Marcella

        http://minucia.ciarin.com
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60389 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-06
        Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Happy New Year
        Lentulus pontifex C. Catoni sal.

        Happy New Year to the New Yorker! Blessed year to you, C. Cato.

        Vale!

        --- Lun 5/1/09, Gaius Equitius Cato <mlcinnyc@...> ha scritto:

        G. Equitius Cato omnes in foro SPD

        Salvete omnes!

        Happy New Year to all Nova Romans and my sincerest congratulations to
        our new magistrates! May (the) God(s) watch over each and every one
        of you as you fulfill your duties to the Respublica and her citizens.

        Valete bene,

        Cato


        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60390 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-06
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        L. Livia Plauta Q. Caecilio Metello S.P.D.

        What's your current profession, that its illogical nature brings you
        to seek logic elsewhere? (I knew your Album Civium photo reminded me
        of Tuvok!)
        Actually the u/i system in Latin is not particularly logical, but
        historical, as it reflects the earliest use by Latins themselves, who
        didn't distinguish in writing between the vowel 'U' and the semivowel
        'W', writing both as 'V' when in capital letters, and 'u' when in
        cursiva (the ancestor of our lower-case letters). Of course, if you
        want to be totally historical you should either use all capital
        letters or all lower-case. If you want to be totally logical, though,
        it would be better to use the system distinguishing vowels from
        semivowels, so u/v and i/j.

        Well, at least your use is better than Poplicola's, who took the
        pains of substituting all the v's with u's in his oath of office,
        then forgot to decline 'quaestor' in the genitive.

        Optime vale,
        Livia


        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
        <postumianus@...> wrote:
        >
        > Q Caecilius Metellus A Tulliae Scholasticae salutem.
        >
        > > ATS2: I believe the term stone is used more in
        > > Britain than here (Metellus lives in the US). I think it's
        > > 20 pounds. Lately he and certain others on the CP list have
        > > taken to using an odd variant of the double-distinction Latin
        > > spelling rather than the more normal triple distinction
        > > system or the quadruple one favored by Avitus and some other
        > > Latinists; they distinguish i and u, but not j and v, and do
        > > so in an odd fashion. Seeing Ualete instead of Valete is a
        > > bit unsettling; u should be used only for minuscules in that
        > > system, and V for capitals.
        >
        > I think the illogical nature of my current profession has brought
        me to
        > apply as much logic to things as I can muster. In deciding to use
        the i/u
        > system, rather than the i/u/v or the i/j//u/v system, it seemed
        sensible
        > (even if non-conforming) to take an all-or-none position on it.
        Thus, since
        > I've gone with the i/u system, I use all i's and all u's.
        Unconventional,
        > yes, but equally logical, and (to my mind) far less confusing.
        (Though, if
        > anyone wants something truly confusing, you're more than welcome to
        attend
        > my monthly lectures on options and option strategies.) It also
        seems to me
        > a bit easier with pronunciation. While we typically approximate
        the Latin
        > 'v' to the English 'w', it doesn't seem to me to be quite the
        case. But
        > pronouncing that 'v' as a 'u' sounds a bit closer. Give it a try
        sometime,
        > and tell me how you like (or don't like) it. It's a little
        difficult at
        > first, but it grows on you.
        >
        > At any rate, I seem to have a general leaning toward things of my
        friends
        > across the pond. Thus I more frequently write honour, favour, and
        colour
        > than I do honor, favor, and color.
        >
        > Uale Optime,
        >
        > Quintus Caecilius Metellus
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60391 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-06
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        L. Livia Plauta L. Iuliae Aquilae omnibusque sal.

        When I said the skeletons found at Himera were giants, I obviously
        meant they were such in relation to the time and place.

        I haven't read any statistic on the matter, but something Italian
        archaologists keep repeatin in every possible occasion is that the
        average height in Italy in Greek-Roman times was more or less the
        same as before the second World War, around 160 cms. Probably they
        mean the average of men and women, but still 167 seems a bit much.
        Aquila, are you sure it didn't refer to an average of all the Roman
        Empire, including Gauls, Germans, Dacians, etc? Because I'm not sure
        the average height in Italy or Greece ever was that much.

        And where do you get the idea that Caesar and Alexander were
        particularly tall?

        I don't remember reading any source on that, but the idea that seems
        to be widespread in Italy is that they were both actually shorter
        than average. I don't know if it's based on sources or it's just a
        popular inference, maybe based on Napoleon. To be sure, their
        portraits don't seem to depict particularly tall people.

        One thing I usually remind people when talking about this topic is
        that one shouldn't be fooled by the relative size of people compared
        to horses on mosaics and statues, because horses were also smaller
        than today.

        To Venator's observations about animals, I can add my own about cats,
        that totally confirm the theory. While in Greece and southern Italy
        stray cats are usually quite small, the stays in Budapest all seem
        quite huge (probably they need the size to survive those winters).
        For sure, my female cat I rescued from the courtyard is bigger than
        many italian tomcats, at around 8 kilos.



        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L Julia Aquila" <dis_pensible@...>
        wrote:
        >
        >
        > Salvéte, amícae et amící!
        >
        >
        >
        > ATS: This is quite interesting. I seem to recall reading
        > somewhere that there is some sort of biological law which favors
        short,
        > dark varieties near the equator and tall, light ones nearer the
        poles
        > (not only humans; other living things as well).
        >
        >
        >
        > That would be interesting to look into but I seem to recall this
        also do
        > I venture to say that is an old study based on observation; much of
        > this having to do with indigenous races such as aborigines. While
        > observation is very important the newer studies are taking in many
        other
        > variables such as adaptation and nutritionÂ… also DNA is opening up a
        > newer world and we are getting closer to DNA samples from ancient
        human
        > remains that are reliable. Look it up if you ever get the time, very
        > interesting. I remember when I was in grammar school (a very looong
        time
        > ago) if anyone even mentioned the idea that Romans even went near
        some
        > parts of the Orient they would be told that was impossible. DNA
        markers
        > will reveal even more and affirm other evidence. Take the Romans in
        the
        > Gansu province for example. Not proven btw, still a theory:
        >
        > http://www.archaeology.org/9905/newsbriefs/china.html
        > <http://www.archaeology.org/9905/newsbriefs/china.html>
        >
        > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1541421/Roman-descendants-
        foun\
        > d-in-China.html
        > <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1541421/Roman-
        descendants-fou\
        > nd-in-China.html>
        >
        >
        >
        > ATS: I also recall reading about some charming chaps found in
        > Greece, a couple of Neandertals (literally) who were six feet tall.
        >
        >
        >
        > Yes. Alexander was reputed to be very tall and very fair.
        >
        >
        >
        > LJA: My 16 y/o, on the other hand, at 6'5"(195.58cm) on his
        last
        > check-up a year ago, might have very well been considered a giant;
        one
        > of his hands swallows up both of mine.
        > ATS: Have you checked his DNA for anomalies? ;-)
        >
        >
        >
        > No but I check my refrigerator frequently and it is depletes quickly
        > *laughs*, my bank account depletes accordingly, a bit quicker
        because I
        > am clothing a giant.
        >
        > My mother was barely 5 feet tall but her brother, my uncle was
        > 6'6", 198cm. The women on my maternal side were smaller and
        > petite and but the men could be as short as 5' 8", 172.72cm, and
        > then as tall as 6'6", 195.58 cm, but averaged about 6',
        > 182.88. However my maternal great Grandmother was 5'6" 167.64,
        > and great grandfather was 6'2" 187.96cm tall. The women on my
        > paternal side were taller averaging about 5'5" 165.10cm but the
        > men were all on the tall side but all between 5' 11" 180.34cm to
        > 6'2" 187.96cm, without much of a range. It appears Metullus'
        > family is similar in stature to the maternal side of my family.
        >
        >
        >
        > LJA:Would be interesting to know the requirements for the
        Greek
        > colonies' soldiers. Also Military Greeks at that time notoriously
        > groomed their children for soldiering so I can only speculate that
        these
        > children were fed well.
        > ATS: Probably, but that might not make them exceptionally
        tall,
        > only taller and more robust than some others, notably those who
        were not
        > as well-fed.
        >
        > MHP: Personal height is a function of genes, diet, and life
        style.
        > So is
        > life expectancy.
        >
        >
        >
        > There have been some very reliable and excellent studies, even using
        > humansJ, done on nutrition in the past 40 or so years and nutrition
        is
        > very significant. It is the type of nutrition, vitamins, amount of
        > protein and at what stage of growth are three very important
        factors. I
        > think that most should know that many obese people are often lacking
        > nutritionally. Of course genetics and health of the subject also
        play
        > significant roles but studies on rats and dogs from birth show that
        a
        > lack of good nutrition, even in the obese subjects will stunt growth
        > significantly. For those interested look it up, these should be
        easily
        > found online. Human subjects for obvious reasons cannot be
        researched
        > thusly so much of the research is done often by hindsight and some
        > histories may be questionable. Ah the joys of scientific research!
        >
        >
        >
        > LJA: Thank you Picinus and I look forward to more of these
        articles!
        > ATS: Yes, indeed. Once in a while the ML rises above its
        normal
        > self...
        >
        >
        >
        > Then let this be the norm of the ML! Concordia at her best!
        >
        > It is obvious this is Ven. Picinus' calling!
        >
        > Thanks be! If I had some more time I would reply to some of the
        other
        > marvelous threads! Maybe later;)
        >
        >
        >
        > Paulinus: This chart lists the average height for both males
        and
        > females from around the world.
        >
        >
        >
        > Thank you Paulinus for the chart, a very good reference.
        >
        >
        >
        > GPD: I always was amazing by the fact that Anglo-saxons could
        go on
        > the
        > Moon, using very old measures as feet, inches...
        >
        >
        >
        > And you have a way of making me laugh! I had a math teacher who
        used to
        > joke that if we tried to impose the metric citizen on the US we
        would
        > have a very tough first year. Now what threw me on this thread was
        > Metullus' mention of "stone" for weight measurement.*laughs*
        > It is evocative of its origin and my imagination formed a funny
        cartoon!
        > Viva la difference!
        >
        >
        >
        > MHP: I found it interesting, when reviewing Latin
        > funerary inscriptions, that most of those I found in the provinciae
        > of Gallia, men and women, died in their twenties. While in north
        > Africa there was one Roman colony where people were living beyond a
        > hundred, and few died before reaching eighty
        >
        >
        >
        > Would truly like to read the information on these areas when and if
        you
        > have the time to post them, I have a great interest in this. Thank
        you.
        >
        >
        >
        > Valé, et valéte!
        >
        >
        >
        > Julia Aquila
        >
        > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <MHoratius@>
        > wrote:
        > >
        > > M. Moravius C. Petronio
        > >
        > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
        > > jfarnoud94@ wrote:
        > > >
        > > > I always was amazing by the fact that Anglo-saxons could go on
        the
        > > > Moon, using very old measures as feet, inches... ;o)
        > > >
        > >
        > > <G> Not all of us here in the US are Anglo-Saxons. I'm certainly
        > > not. A shool acquaintance of mine worked for NASA. His family came
        > > from Hungaria, and he stood maybe 157 cm. About the height of my
        > > mother. And I, who had to calculate it from inches, stand 178 cm
        > > today, but was once taller before falling out of helicoptors,
        having
        > > my head thumped a few times, or my disks collapsing from age. I of
        > > Italian descent tower over my Nordic surrogate mother who stands
        at
        > > 142 cm.
        > >
        > > Personal height is a function of genes, diet, and life style. So
        is
        > > life expectancy. I found it interesting, when reviewing Latin
        > > funerary inscriptions, that most of those I found in the
        provinciae
        > > of Gallia, men and women, died in their twenties. While in north
        > > Africa there was one Roman colony where people were living beyond
        a
        > > hundred, and few died before reaching eighty. Of course in both
        > > cases, those found with grave markers would only represent a
        certain
        > > portion of the society and would not provide us with a true view
        of
        > > life expectancy in these regions; for the most part nor do they
        > > provide us with data on time periods.
        > >
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60392 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2009-01-06
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Ave Plauta;

        On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Lucia Livia Plauta wrote:
        > L. Livia Plauta L. Iuliae Aquilae omnibusque sal.
        >
        > [excision]
        >
        > To Venator's observations about animals, I can add my own about cats,
        > that totally confirm the theory. While in Greece and southern Italy
        > stray cats are usually quite small, the strays in Budapest all seem
        > quite huge (probably they need the size to survive those winters).
        > For sure, my female cat I rescued from the courtyard is bigger than
        > many italian tomcats, at around 8 kilos.
        >

        6 of my girls have been in the 7 - 8 kilo range, the seventh was 3 - 3
        1/2 kilos.
        Annia Ulleria and I have had only females cats in the over quarter
        century of our marriage.

        My uncle Anthony had a male Maine Coon who was 16 1/2 kilos at his
        peak of vigor.

        In big cats, Sumatran tigers run 90 - 135 kilos, Siberians run 130 -
        380 kilos; dependent on sex (females are at the lower end of the
        range).

        Cats have been my lifelong companions.

        semper felis

        Venii
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60393 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-06
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        I didn't realize that you call typos "illogical". But they weren't my
        typos anyway. I inherited it from the tribune Aquila, who, I'm sure,
        borrowed it from someone else. It's quite simple to turn v's to u's -
        it's less simple to have to check other people's Latin for their own
        incompetency.

        What *is* illogical is assuming that what I did was illogical. But
        hey, I guess I shouldn't be too hard on you. Being Italian and all,
        you might not be aware of what the word logic means.

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
        >
        > L. Livia Plauta Q. Caecilio Metello S.P.D.
        >
        > What's your current profession, that its illogical nature brings you
        > to seek logic elsewhere? (I knew your Album Civium photo reminded me
        > of Tuvok!)
        > Actually the u/i system in Latin is not particularly logical, but
        > historical, as it reflects the earliest use by Latins themselves, who
        > didn't distinguish in writing between the vowel 'U' and the semivowel
        > 'W', writing both as 'V' when in capital letters, and 'u' when in
        > cursiva (the ancestor of our lower-case letters). Of course, if you
        > want to be totally historical you should either use all capital
        > letters or all lower-case. If you want to be totally logical, though,
        > it would be better to use the system distinguishing vowels from
        > semivowels, so u/v and i/j.
        >
        > Well, at least your use is better than Poplicola's, who took the
        > pains of substituting all the v's with u's in his oath of office,
        > then forgot to decline 'quaestor' in the genitive.
        >
        > Optime vale,
        > Livia
        >
        >
        > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
        > <postumianus@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Q Caecilius Metellus A Tulliae Scholasticae salutem.
        > >
        > > > ATS2: I believe the term stone is used more in
        > > > Britain than here (Metellus lives in the US). I think it's
        > > > 20 pounds. Lately he and certain others on the CP list have
        > > > taken to using an odd variant of the double-distinction Latin
        > > > spelling rather than the more normal triple distinction
        > > > system or the quadruple one favored by Avitus and some other
        > > > Latinists; they distinguish i and u, but not j and v, and do
        > > > so in an odd fashion. Seeing Ualete instead of Valete is a
        > > > bit unsettling; u should be used only for minuscules in that
        > > > system, and V for capitals.
        > >
        > > I think the illogical nature of my current profession has brought
        > me to
        > > apply as much logic to things as I can muster. In deciding to use
        > the i/u
        > > system, rather than the i/u/v or the i/j//u/v system, it seemed
        > sensible
        > > (even if non-conforming) to take an all-or-none position on it.
        > Thus, since
        > > I've gone with the i/u system, I use all i's and all u's.
        > Unconventional,
        > > yes, but equally logical, and (to my mind) far less confusing.
        > (Though, if
        > > anyone wants something truly confusing, you're more than welcome to
        > attend
        > > my monthly lectures on options and option strategies.) It also
        > seems to me
        > > a bit easier with pronunciation. While we typically approximate
        > the Latin
        > > 'v' to the English 'w', it doesn't seem to me to be quite the
        > case. But
        > > pronouncing that 'v' as a 'u' sounds a bit closer. Give it a try
        > sometime,
        > > and tell me how you like (or don't like) it. It's a little
        > difficult at
        > > first, but it grows on you.
        > >
        > > At any rate, I seem to have a general leaning toward things of my
        > friends
        > > across the pond. Thus I more frequently write honour, favour, and
        > colour
        > > than I do honor, favor, and color.
        > >
        > > Uale Optime,
        > >
        > > Quintus Caecilius Metellus
        > >
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60394 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-01-06
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Q Caecilius Metellus L Liuiae Plautae salutem dicit.

        Salue,

        About that picture in the Album Ciuium, I've been meaning to update it for
        quite some time. One of these days I'll get around to that. I'm rather
        honoured, though, that you'd put me at the rank of Lieutenant Commander.
        I'd prefer Captain myself, but beggars can't be choosers, now can we?

        As to my current profession, I'm a stock broker. I wish I could say it's
        what I saw myself doing at this age, but it's certainly not. I can't,
        however, complain about it. It hasn't been anything but kind to me so far,
        and it's building some backing for that time at which I'm finally able to
        return to the academic institution; I shan't say much of anything against
        it.

        I find it interesting that you mention the use either of all capital letters
        or all lower-case, as it is something to which I've given some thought.
        Were one to review the occasions on which I've written entirely in Latin,
        one would find that, as a general rule, I typically use lower-case letters.
        The exceptions to that are names, places, and their derivatives, as well as
        my greeting and ending. I had considered writing as Romans generally did
        (that is, in capital letters), but this could all too easily seem as though
        I'm simply yelling all the time, thus I came to terms with the use of
        lower-case lettering. The logic behind it is either to go one way or the
        other: either I use vowels and consonants, or all vowels, or all consonants.
        As it were, I can't accept the use of 'j' in Latin, so I'm left to using all
        vowels.

        As far as Poplicola's use of Latin is concerned, though, I have found myself
        in spots somewhat similar, whereby even in writing my own text, I thought
        through the necessary declension (or conjugation; both have happened) but
        failed to write the appropriate form. Sometimes the distance from head to
        hand suddenly gets longer in the span of a mere nanosecond.

        Optime Uale,

        Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60395 From: Gaius Petronius Dexter Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        C. Petronius L. Plautæ s.p.d,
         
        The "logical" way that I follow in my main Latin works :
         
        is to always use "u", "i", "V" and "I".
         
        So I write urbs and Vrbs, ualeo and Vale.
        I never use in those novels the letters "j" and "J".
         
        Optime Vale.
         
        C. Petronius Dexter.
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60396 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        That's what I use.

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
        <jfarnoud94@...> wrote:
        >
        > C. Petronius L. Plautæ s.p.d,
        >
        > The "logical" way that I follow in my main Latin works :
        > http://www.trigofacile.com/jardins/cucullus/creation/dexter.htm
        >
        > is to always use "u", "i", "V" and "I".
        >
        > So I write urbs and Vrbs, ualeo and Vale.
        > I never use in those novels the letters "j" and "J".
        >
        > Optime Vale.
        >
        > C. Petronius Dexter.
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60397 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBARVM (LATINE)
        EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE CREATIONE SCRIBARVM (LATINE)    Censores Ti. Galerius Paulinus C. Popillius Laenas quiritibus salutem plurimam dicunt.  

                Officinae Civium Approbandorum creationes:

                T. Iulius Sabinus Scriba Senior Censorum TGP-CPL petitiones inter scribas assignat et illas Romanice et Anglice scriptas curat.

                Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Scriba Senior Censorum TGP-CPL quoque petitiones inter scribas partitur et illas Hungarice, Anglice, et Italice (et Latine) curat.

                Scriba Censorum TGP-CPL Q. Suetonius Paulinus petitiones Hispanice et Anglice scriptas curat.

                Scriba Censorum TGP-CPL P. Constantinus Placidus petitiones Italice scriptas curat.  

                Scriba Censorum TGP-CPL T. Flavius Aquila petitiones Germanice (Theodisce) scriptas curat.

                Scriba Censorum TGP-CPL C. Tullius Valerianus petitiones Anglice scriptas curat.

                Scriba Censorum M. Lucretius Agricola “Paginas a Censoribus Tutatas” in situ Vicipaediae Novae Romae  censoribus praesidentibus edit recognovitque.  

                Scriba Censorum TGP-CPL C. Horatius Aquilinus munera descripta curat.

                Suasor consiliarius Cn. Equitius Marinus.

                Rogator T. Arminius Genialis petitiones Lusitanice scriptas curat.

                Rogatrix A. Tullia Scholastica petitiones Anglice, Franco-Gallice, et Latine scriptas curat.  

                M. Curiatius Complutensis M. Iulius Severusque scribae censorum TGP-CPL usque ad pridie Kal. Feb.  MMDCCLXII creantur ut tempore in quo omnia fluunt atque immutantur censoribus apparitoribusque auxilio sint, quibus ex animo pro voluntate huic faciendo et pro ministerio diuturno apud censorum officium gratiae nostrae sunt.  

                Officinae Censús MMDCCLXII apparitores postea creabimus.  

                Datum sub manibus nostris a.d. III Non. Ian. MMDCCLXII
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60398 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: a. d. VII Eidus Ianuarias: feriale Cumanum
        M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
        plurimam dicit: Bene vos Di faciant.

        Hodie est ante diem VII Eidus Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est:
        Feriale Cumanum.

        Dies Natalis: Today is the birthday of our Quaestor M. Valerius
        Potitius. Felices natalis, Marce Valeri! Di te servassint semper.

        AUC 710 / 43 BCE: The Feriale Cumanum celebrates the anniversary of
        when Octavius Augustus first assumed the imperium.

        "At the age of nineteen, on my own initiative and at my own expense,
        I raised an army by means of which I restored liberty to the
        republic, which p347had been oppressed by the tyranny of a faction.
        For which service the senate, with complimentary resolutions,
        enrolled me in its order, in the consulship of Gaius Pansa and Aulus
        Hirtius, giving me at the same time consular precedence in voting; it
        also gave me the imperium." ~ Caesar Augustus, Res Geste 1.2

        Octavian had turned nineteen on 23 Sept. 44 BCE. He raised his own
        private army by offering bounties to veterans of Julius Caesar, and
        later won over some of Anthony's men when the Senate agreed to pay
        them a bounty equal to what Octavian offered. On a motion by
        Cicero, the Senate approved his actions in November. By 2 Jan 43
        BCE, "The Senate gave Gaius [Octavian] Caesar, who as a private
        citizen had built an army, the powers of a propraetor and the
        ornamenta consularia, and promised that he would be made senator (T.
        Livius, Perioche 118.2)." Then on this date, 7 Jan. 43 BCE, he
        officially assumed the imperium of a proconsul. The Senate then sent
        him north to support the Consuls Hirtius and Pansa, which led to the
        Battle of Mutina in April. In memory of these events, at a later
        time, this date took on a new significance with regard to the
        imperium of an emperor and the bounty owed to the legions:

        "Because honorable discharge with enjoyment of privileges is given to
        men who have served their time or because salary is paid to the
        soldiers (on this date, sacrifices are made) to Jupiter Optimus
        Maximus an ox, to Juno a (white) cow, to Minerva a (white) cow, to
        Salus a (white) cow, to Mars Pater a bull." ~ Fasti Durarum, Dura
        Europa papyrus no. 117

        On this date, too, in some unknown year Tiberius Claudius Nero became
        a septemvir epulo. Tiberius came from a noble patrician family so it
        is a little strange that he should join this plebeian sacerdotal
        collegia. It was not unusual for an emperor, however, to be a member
        of all of the sacerdotal collegia. So does that suggest he was made
        an epulo after he ascended to the imperial throne? Not necessarily.


        Sundials

        The Gods confound the man who first found out
        How to distinguish hours! Confound him, too,
        Who in this place set up a sundial
        To cut and hack my days so wretchedly
        Into small portions! When I was a boy,
        My belly was my only sun-dial, one more sure,
        Truer, and more exact than any of them.
        This dial told me when 'twas proper time
        To go to dinner, when I had aught to eat;
        But nowadays, why even when I have,
        I can't fall to unless the sun gives leave.
        The town's so full of these confounded dials.
        ~ Aquilius (or Plautus), The Boeotian Woman Fr. V.21 Götz; in A.
        Gellius, Noctes Atticae 3.3.5

        "In the Twelve Tables, the rising and setting of the sun are the only
        things that are mentioned relative to time. Some years afterwards,
        the hour of midday was added, the summoner of the consuls proclaiming
        it aloud, as soon as, from the senate-house, he caught sight of the
        sun between the Rostra and the Græco stasis; he also proclaimed the
        last hour, when the sun had gone down from the Mænian column to the
        prison. This, however, could only be done in clear weather, but it
        was continued until the first Punic war. The first sun-dial is said
        to have been erected among the Romans twelve years before the war
        with Pyrrhus, by L. Papirius Cursor, at the temple of Quirinus, on
        which occasion he dedicated it in pursuance of a vow which had been
        made by his father. This is the account given by Fabius Vestalis; but
        he makes no mention of either the construction of the dial or the
        artist, nor does he inform us from what place it was brought, or in
        whose works he found this statement made.

        "M. Varro says that the first sun-dial, erected for the use of the
        public, was fixed upon a column near the Rostra, in the time of the
        first Punic war, by the consul M. Valerius Messala, and that it was
        brought from the capture of Catina, in Sicily: this being thirty
        years after the date assigned to the dial of Papirius, and the year
        of Rome 491 (262 BCE). The lines in this dial did not exactly agree
        with the hours; it served, however, as the regulator of the Roman
        time ninety-nine years, until Q. Marcius Philippus, who was censor
        with L. Paulus, placed one near it, which was more carefully
        arranged: an act which was most gratefully acknowledged, as one of
        the very best of his censorship. The hours, however, still remained a
        matter of uncertainty, whenever the weather happened to be cloudy,
        until the ensuing lustrum; at which time Scipio Nasica, the colleague
        of Lænas, by means of a clepsydra, was the first to divide the hours
        of the day and the night into equal parts: and this time-piece he
        placed under cover and dedicated, in the year of Rome 595 (158 BCE);
        for so long a period had the Romans remained without any exact
        division of the day." ~ C. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 7.60


        The thought of today is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 35:

        "Don't spoil what you have by desiring what you don't have; but
        remember that what you now have was once among the things only hoped
        for."
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60399 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Salve Poplicola,
        I didn't call your use of Latin illogical. Please read, before
        hitting that "reply" button.
        There were no typos in your oath, but a grammar mistake. I didn't
        bother reading other people's Latin oaths, but from someone who is
        graduating in Latin and Greek I expected good grammar.

        Optime vale,
        Livia

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola"
        <catullus.poeta@...> wrote:
        >
        > I didn't realize that you call typos "illogical". But they weren't
        my
        > typos anyway. I inherited it from the tribune Aquila, who, I'm sure,
        > borrowed it from someone else. It's quite simple to turn v's to u's
        -
        > it's less simple to have to check other people's Latin for their own
        > incompetency.
        >
        > What *is* illogical is assuming that what I did was illogical. But
        > hey, I guess I shouldn't be too hard on you. Being Italian and all,
        > you might not be aware of what the word logic means.
        >
        > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@>
        wrote:
        > >
        > > L. Livia Plauta Q. Caecilio Metello S.P.D.
        > >
        > > What's your current profession, that its illogical nature brings
        you
        > > to seek logic elsewhere? (I knew your Album Civium photo reminded
        me
        > > of Tuvok!)
        > > Actually the u/i system in Latin is not particularly logical, but
        > > historical, as it reflects the earliest use by Latins themselves,
        who
        > > didn't distinguish in writing between the vowel 'U' and the
        semivowel
        > > 'W', writing both as 'V' when in capital letters, and 'u' when in
        > > cursiva (the ancestor of our lower-case letters). Of course, if
        you
        > > want to be totally historical you should either use all capital
        > > letters or all lower-case. If you want to be totally logical,
        though,
        > > it would be better to use the system distinguishing vowels from
        > > semivowels, so u/v and i/j.
        > >
        > > Well, at least your use is better than Poplicola's, who took the
        > > pains of substituting all the v's with u's in his oath of office,
        > > then forgot to decline 'quaestor' in the genitive.
        > >
        > > Optime vale,
        > > Livia
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
        > > <postumianus@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Q Caecilius Metellus A Tulliae Scholasticae salutem.
        > > >
        > > > > ATS2: I believe the term stone is used more in
        > > > > Britain than here (Metellus lives in the US). I think it's
        > > > > 20 pounds. Lately he and certain others on the CP list have
        > > > > taken to using an odd variant of the double-distinction Latin
        > > > > spelling rather than the more normal triple distinction
        > > > > system or the quadruple one favored by Avitus and some other
        > > > > Latinists; they distinguish i and u, but not j and v, and do
        > > > > so in an odd fashion. Seeing Ualete instead of Valete is a
        > > > > bit unsettling; u should be used only for minuscules in that
        > > > > system, and V for capitals.
        > > >
        > > > I think the illogical nature of my current profession has
        brought
        > > me to
        > > > apply as much logic to things as I can muster. In deciding to
        use
        > > the i/u
        > > > system, rather than the i/u/v or the i/j//u/v system, it seemed
        > > sensible
        > > > (even if non-conforming) to take an all-or-none position on
        it.
        > > Thus, since
        > > > I've gone with the i/u system, I use all i's and all u's.
        > > Unconventional,
        > > > yes, but equally logical, and (to my mind) far less confusing.
        > > (Though, if
        > > > anyone wants something truly confusing, you're more than
        welcome to
        > > attend
        > > > my monthly lectures on options and option strategies.) It also
        > > seems to me
        > > > a bit easier with pronunciation. While we typically
        approximate
        > > the Latin
        > > > 'v' to the English 'w', it doesn't seem to me to be quite the
        > > case. But
        > > > pronouncing that 'v' as a 'u' sounds a bit closer. Give it a
        try
        > > sometime,
        > > > and tell me how you like (or don't like) it. It's a little
        > > difficult at
        > > > first, but it grows on you.
        > > >
        > > > At any rate, I seem to have a general leaning toward things of
        my
        > > friends
        > > > across the pond. Thus I more frequently write honour, favour,
        and
        > > colour
        > > > than I do honor, favor, and color.
        > > >
        > > > Uale Optime,
        > > >
        > > > Quintus Caecilius Metellus
        > > >
        > >
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60400 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera

        Aquila  Plautae  omnibusque sal.

         

        Good Morning!

         

        LLP:When I said the skeletons found at Himera were giants, I obviously
        meant they were such in relation to the time and place.

             LJA:Yes. I know what you meant it rhetorically :) This in part sparked the discussion about heights. Puts me in mind of David and Goliath; was Goliath really a giant? Josephus has him at 4 cubits and a span at 6'9", The Christian Bible at 6 cubits and a span over 9' tall and modern measurements, Guinness book of world records, taking in account of measurement discrepancies  in antiquity, puts him at 6'10."  Good discussion came from it!

         

        LLP:And where do you get the idea that Caesar and Alexander were
        particularly tall?

            LJA: I don't know for certain what height they were, nor does anyone.  Suetonious said Caesar "is said to have been tall, with fair skin, slender limbs, a face that was just a little too full, and very dark piercing eyes." Even so, like Alexander, no record of his actual height is known. Guesstimates range from 5'7" to 5'11" for Caesar. A Greek Art expert puts Alexander at about 5'7," I believe based on the Alexander Mosaic and other surviving art and sculpture of Alexander's time. A few centuries later Curtius and Arrian write what are considered biased and inaccurate Histories by critics such as Elizabeth Baynham and A.B Bosworth (Arrian "was no Thucydides"): both ancient authors reporting that Alexander was not of remarkable stature. I don't remember Plutarch saying anything about Alexander's height, but he does depict him somewhat as a glowing golden bigger than life god at times. This "greatness" has influenced the Art world throughout time and consequently the cinema where the Nordicism of Ancient Greece is promoted, true or not. This brings me back to ancient DNA, bio-anthropology and archeological studies. Here is an article on how Alexander is perceived by some:

        http://www.kavehfarrokh.com/articles/nordicism/the-alexander-movie-how-are-iranians-and-greeks-portrayed/

         

        LLP:I haven't read any statistic on the matter, but something Italian
        archaologists keep repeatin in every possible occasion is that the
        average height in Italy in Greek-Roman times was more or less the
        same as before the second World War, around 160 cms.

             LJA:Do you have a link or reference to corroborate this, even if it could be found offline? I truly would like to learn more. I can't find a link to a statement regarding a Princeton study indicated average male height in ancient Italy was 168cm. I imagine this is based on skeletal remains and other evidence such as clothing, tools, any ancient statistics etc. I do not know I could not find it.

        I do seem to remember something about humans heights have not increased much since around 1AD anyway. It would be interesting if someone knew of some resources that could be shared.

         

        LLP:Probably they
        mean the average of men and women, but still 167 seems a bit much

              LJA:Look at the graphs on the link posted on message # 60338 and for more graphs google: "Bones of Contention: The Political Economy of Height," as I alluded to before the misuse of this sort of information makes it difficult to find online. I would not trust some of the information on line that has no reference material. Here's another link:

         http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/wwl/koepke_baten_twomillennia.pdf

         

        One such site had Western European men gaining 17cm or just over 6.6 inches, from 100AD to 2000AD but no references sited so to me it is not validated. It seems like too much.

         

        Cúrá(te) ut valeá(ti)s optimé,

         

        Julia Aquila


        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
        >
        > L. Livia Plauta L. Iuliae Aquilae omnibusque sal.
        >
        > When I said the skeletons found at Himera were giants, I obviously
        > meant they were such in relation to the time and place.
        >
        > I haven't read any statistic on the matter, but something Italian
        > archaologists keep repeatin in every possible occasion is that the
        > average height in Italy in Greek-Roman times was more or less the
        > same as before the second World War, around 160 cms. Probably they
        > mean the average of men and women, but still 167 seems a bit much.
        > Aquila, are you sure it didn't refer to an average of all the Roman
        > Empire, including Gauls, Germans, Dacians, etc? Because I'm not sure
        > the average height in Italy or Greece ever was that much.
        >
        > And where do you get the idea that Caesar and Alexander were
        > particularly tall?
        >
        > I don't remember reading any source on that, but the idea that seems
        > to be widespread in Italy is that they were both actually shorter
        > than average. I don't know if it's based on sources or it's just a
        > popular inference, maybe based on Napoleon. To be sure, their
        > portraits don't seem to depict particularly tall people.
        >
        > One thing I usually remind people when talking about this topic is
        > that one shouldn't be fooled by the relative size of people compared
        > to horses on mosaics and statues, because horses were also smaller
        > than today.
        >
        > To Venator's observations about animals, I can add my own about cats,
        > that totally confirm the theory. While in Greece and southern Italy
        > stray cats are usually quite small, the stays in Budapest all seem
        > quite huge (probably they need the size to survive those winters).
        > For sure, my female cat I rescued from the courtyard is bigger than
        > many italian tomcats, at around 8 kilos.
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60401 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Caesar and Punctuation
        Salvete omnes,

        Collene McCullough writes in several of her books that C. Julius
        Caesar started the practice of denoting the beginning of words writen
        in Latin by placing a small dot over the first letter of a new word.
        Apparently ancient Latin was written without any punctuation or even
        spaces between words.

        I have been told by others that the Greeks invented punctuation
        several hundred years before Caesar.

        Does anybody know the truth, or (even better) a citation for
        McCullough's claims about Caesar?

        I am doing some research for a training class I am writing and would
        like to use some facts about Caesar in an example. However, I do not
        want to include anything that is inaccurate.

        Many thanks!

        Valete,

        C. Popillius Laenas
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60402 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        I didn't check. The oath was formulated before me already. I didn't
        think it was to be changed. I expected with all the Latinists around
        that it would have already been fixed, so why would I have expected to
        bother checking it?

        But I said this last email, did you not see?

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
        >
        > Salve Poplicola,
        > I didn't call your use of Latin illogical. Please read, before
        > hitting that "reply" button.
        > There were no typos in your oath, but a grammar mistake. I didn't
        > bother reading other people's Latin oaths, but from someone who is
        > graduating in Latin and Greek I expected good grammar.
        >
        > Optime vale,
        > Livia
        >
        > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola"
        > <catullus.poeta@> wrote:
        > >
        > > I didn't realize that you call typos "illogical". But they weren't
        > my
        > > typos anyway. I inherited it from the tribune Aquila, who, I'm sure,
        > > borrowed it from someone else. It's quite simple to turn v's to u's
        > -
        > > it's less simple to have to check other people's Latin for their own
        > > incompetency.
        > >
        > > What *is* illogical is assuming that what I did was illogical. But
        > > hey, I guess I shouldn't be too hard on you. Being Italian and all,
        > > you might not be aware of what the word logic means.
        > >
        > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@>
        > wrote:
        > > >
        > > > L. Livia Plauta Q. Caecilio Metello S.P.D.
        > > >
        > > > What's your current profession, that its illogical nature brings
        > you
        > > > to seek logic elsewhere? (I knew your Album Civium photo reminded
        > me
        > > > of Tuvok!)
        > > > Actually the u/i system in Latin is not particularly logical, but
        > > > historical, as it reflects the earliest use by Latins themselves,
        > who
        > > > didn't distinguish in writing between the vowel 'U' and the
        > semivowel
        > > > 'W', writing both as 'V' when in capital letters, and 'u' when in
        > > > cursiva (the ancestor of our lower-case letters). Of course, if
        > you
        > > > want to be totally historical you should either use all capital
        > > > letters or all lower-case. If you want to be totally logical,
        > though,
        > > > it would be better to use the system distinguishing vowels from
        > > > semivowels, so u/v and i/j.
        > > >
        > > > Well, at least your use is better than Poplicola's, who took the
        > > > pains of substituting all the v's with u's in his oath of office,
        > > > then forgot to decline 'quaestor' in the genitive.
        > > >
        > > > Optime vale,
        > > > Livia
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
        > > > <postumianus@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > Q Caecilius Metellus A Tulliae Scholasticae salutem.
        > > > >
        > > > > > ATS2: I believe the term stone is used more in
        > > > > > Britain than here (Metellus lives in the US). I think it's
        > > > > > 20 pounds. Lately he and certain others on the CP list have
        > > > > > taken to using an odd variant of the double-distinction Latin
        > > > > > spelling rather than the more normal triple distinction
        > > > > > system or the quadruple one favored by Avitus and some other
        > > > > > Latinists; they distinguish i and u, but not j and v, and do
        > > > > > so in an odd fashion. Seeing Ualete instead of Valete is a
        > > > > > bit unsettling; u should be used only for minuscules in that
        > > > > > system, and V for capitals.
        > > > >
        > > > > I think the illogical nature of my current profession has
        > brought
        > > > me to
        > > > > apply as much logic to things as I can muster. In deciding to
        > use
        > > > the i/u
        > > > > system, rather than the i/u/v or the i/j//u/v system, it seemed
        > > > sensible
        > > > > (even if non-conforming) to take an all-or-none position on
        > it.
        > > > Thus, since
        > > > > I've gone with the i/u system, I use all i's and all u's.
        > > > Unconventional,
        > > > > yes, but equally logical, and (to my mind) far less confusing.
        > > > (Though, if
        > > > > anyone wants something truly confusing, you're more than
        > welcome to
        > > > attend
        > > > > my monthly lectures on options and option strategies.) It also
        > > > seems to me
        > > > > a bit easier with pronunciation. While we typically
        > approximate
        > > > the Latin
        > > > > 'v' to the English 'w', it doesn't seem to me to be quite the
        > > > case. But
        > > > > pronouncing that 'v' as a 'u' sounds a bit closer. Give it a
        > try
        > > > sometime,
        > > > > and tell me how you like (or don't like) it. It's a little
        > > > difficult at
        > > > > first, but it grows on you.
        > > > >
        > > > > At any rate, I seem to have a general leaning toward things of
        > my
        > > > friends
        > > > > across the pond. Thus I more frequently write honour, favour,
        > and
        > > > colour
        > > > > than I do honor, favor, and color.
        > > > >
        > > > > Uale Optime,
        > > > >
        > > > > Quintus Caecilius Metellus
        > > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60403 From: mike orley Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
        Salvete Omnes:
         
        Probably the single best source I can offer is Tore' Jenwen's definitve work on Latin. I took the course Rudimenta Latina with A. Tullia Scholastica, this past year and Jensen deals withthe subject of Grammar and punctuation very authoritivley. I'm not at my desk right now, am at school, teaching  ,but if you wish, I can send the information to you, along with the ISBN number.
         
        Vale et bene
        D. Suetonius Lupus


        Michael P. Orley

        --- On Wed, 1/7/09, gaiuspopilliuslaenas <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:

        From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas <gaiuspopillius@...>
        Subject: [Nova-Roma] Caesar and Punctuation
        To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:41 PM

        Salvete omnes,

        Collene McCullough writes in several of her books that C. Julius
        Caesar started the practice of denoting the beginning of words writen
        in Latin by placing a small dot over the first letter of a new word. 
        Apparently ancient Latin was written without any punctuation or even
        spaces between words.

        I have been told by others that the Greeks invented punctuation
        several hundred years before Caesar.

        Does anybody know the truth, or (even better) a citation for
        McCullough's claims about Caesar?

        I am doing some research for a training class I am writing and would
        like to use some facts about Caesar in an example.  However, I do not
        want to include anything that is inaccurate.

        Many thanks!

        Valete,

        C. Popillius Laenas


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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60404 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM II
        Ex Officio
         
        Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas quiritibus salutem plurimam dicunt.
        EDICTVM CENSORIVM
         
        The Nota placed on Consular Quintus Fabius Maximus is removed and he is returned
        to the Album Senatorium and resumes his full status as a Senator.
         
        Datum sub manibus nostris a.d. VII Id. Ian. MMDCCLXII a.u.c.
        Given under our hands this the seventh day of January 2762 A.U.C.
         
        Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
        Gaius Popillius Laenas
        Censores, Novae Romae
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60405 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SENATORIBVS ADLEGENDIS 2762 I
        Ex Officio
         
        Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas quiritibus salutem plurimam dicunt.
         
        EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SENATORIBVS ADLEGENDIS
         
        I. According to Paragraph IV. A. 1. d. of the Constitution of Nova Roma, the censors have the powers of maintaining the Album Senatorium.
         
        II. The Edictum censoris de censu anni MMDCCLX established the maximum size of the Senate as thirty-eight (XXXVIII) senators until after the census of MMDCCLXII. The Lex Popillia Senatoria directs the censors to maintain the size of the Senate at this level, replacing senators who resign or are otherwise lost. The Senate currently has thirty-three (XXXIII) members.
         
        III. The Censors acknowledge the service and dedication to Nova Roma and the Senate of Consular Po. Minucia Strabo
        and Senatrix Iul. Seppronia Magna and wishes them well in their future endeavors. Consular Po. Minucia Strabo retains the right of ius sentential and may attend and vote in the Senate. We recommend that should either Consular Po. Minucia Strabo and Senatrix Iul. Seppronia Magna wish to do so, they should be returned to the Album Senatorium by future Censors.
         
        IV. We welcome the return Censorius Lucius Cornelius Sulla to Nova Roman and
        acknowledge his right to attend meetings of and to vote in the Senate.
         
        We also acknowledge that a significant amount of time has pasted in which issues and personalities have changed. We look forward to the active, constructive and positive contributions of Censorius Lucius Cornelius Sulla as he gets up to speed on the current issues facing Nova Roma. We  hope that Censorius Lucius Cornelius Sulla will take some time to reacquaint himself with Nova Roma and his colleagues in the Senate.
         
        V. Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa is appointed a Senator of Nova Roma and added to the Album Senatorium.
         
        VI. Censorius Lucius Cornelius Sulla , Censorius Marcus Octavius Gracchus and Consular Po. Minucia Strabo
        are expressly not passed over for sublection to the Senate. They retain the right of ius sententiae to attend and vote in the Senate. They are not, however members of the Board of directors of Nova Roma, Inc.
         
        Datum sub manibus nostris a.d. VII Id. Ian. MMDCCLXII a.u.c.
        Given under our hands this the seventh day of January 2762 A.U.C.
         
        Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
        Gaius Popillius Laenas
        Censores, Novae Romae
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60406 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
        Aquila omnibus S.P.D.

        I think I can help with that:
        A Natural History of Latin by Tore Janson
        ISBN 0-19-926309-4

        The extra material the Magistra handed out offers further explanation.
        Perhaps when she comes online she will graciously enlighten us all.

        Valete!

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, mike orley <clannadh@...> wrote:
        >
        > Salvete Omnes:
        >  
        > Probably the single best source I can offer is Tore' Jenwen's
        definitve work on Latin. I took the course Rudimenta Latina with A.
        Tullia Scholastica, this past year and Jensen deals withthe subject
        of Grammar and punctuation very authoritivley. I'm not at my desk
        right now, am at school, teaching  ,but if you wish, I can send the
        information to you, along with the ISBN number.
        >  
        > Vale et bene
        > D. Suetonius Lupus
        >
        >
        > Michael P. Orley
        >
        > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, gaiuspopilliuslaenas <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas <gaiuspopillius@...>
        > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Caesar and Punctuation
        > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:41 PM
        >
        >
        > Salvete omnes,
        >
        > Collene McCullough writes in several of her books that C. Julius
        > Caesar started the practice of denoting the beginning of words
        writen
        > in Latin by placing a small dot over the first letter of a new
        word. 
        > Apparently ancient Latin was written without any punctuation or
        even
        > spaces between words.
        >
        > I have been told by others that the Greeks invented punctuation
        > several hundred years before Caesar.
        >
        > Does anybody know the truth, or (even better) a citation for
        > McCullough's claims about Caesar?
        >
        > I am doing some research for a training class I am writing and
        would
        > like to use some facts about Caesar in an example.  However, I do
        not
        > want to include anything that is inaccurate.
        >
        > Many thanks!
        >
        > Valete,
        >
        > C. Popillius Laenas
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60407 From: mike orley Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
        D. Suetonius Lupus L. Juliae Aquilae S.P.D.
         
        Many thanks for supplying that information. Hope everyone can make use of it.
        Vale et Bene
        D. Suetonius Lupus

        Michael P. Orley

        --- On Wed, 1/7/09, L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...> wrote:

        From: L Julia Aquila <dis_pensible@...>
        Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Caesar and Punctuation
        To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 4:49 PM

        Aquila omnibus S.P.D.

        I think I can help with that:
        A Natural History of Latin by Tore Janson
        ISBN 0-19-926309-4

        The extra material the Magistra handed out offers further explanation.
        Perhaps when she comes online she will graciously enlighten us all.

        Valete!

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, mike orley <clannadh@...> wrote:
        >
        > Salvete Omnes:
        >  
        > Probably the single best source I can offer is Tore' Jenwen's
        definitve work on Latin. I took the course Rudimenta Latina with A.
        Tullia Scholastica, this past year and Jensen deals withthe subject
        of Grammar and punctuation very authoritivley. I'm not at my desk
        right now, am at school, teaching  ,but if you wish, I can send the
        information to you, along with the ISBN number.
        >  
        > Vale et bene
        > D. Suetonius Lupus
        >
        >
        > Michael P. Orley
        >
        > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, gaiuspopilliuslaenas <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas <gaiuspopillius@...>
        > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Caesar and Punctuation
        > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:41 PM
        >
        >
        > Salvete omnes,
        >
        > Collene McCullough writes in several of her books that C. Julius
        > Caesar started the practice of denoting the beginning of words
        writen
        > in Latin by placing a small dot over the first letter of a new
        word. 
        > Apparently ancient Latin was written without any punctuation or
        even
        > spaces between words.
        >
        > I have been told by others that the Greeks invented punctuation
        > several hundred years before Caesar.
        >
        > Does anybody know the truth, or (even better) a citation for
        > McCullough's claims about Caesar?
        >
        > I am doing some research for a training class I am writing and
        would
        > like to use some facts about Caesar in an example.  However, I do
        not
        > want to include anything that is inaccurate.
        >
        > Many thanks!
        >
        > Valete,
        >
        > C. Popillius Laenas
        >
        >
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        >



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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60408 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
        Laenas Lupo Aquilae SPD.

        Thank you both for the information. If anyone else has specifics
        regarding the claim about Caesar please let me know.

        Valete
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60409 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: EDICTVM CENSORIVM IV: Album Senatorium
        Ex Officio
         
        Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas quiritibus salutem plurimam dicunt.
         
        EDICTVM CENSORIVM IV

        The Following is the Album Senatorium as of the seventh day of January 2762.
        It is listed in order of Senatorial rank.

         
        Princeps senatus
        K Fabius Buteo Quintilianus senator censorius P. Thule
         
        Dictatorii
        Fl. Vedius Germanicus senator dictatorius P. Mediatlantica
         
        Censorius

        Cn. Equitius Marinus senator censorius P. Mediatlantica
        Dec. Iunnius Palladius Invictus senator censorius P. Nova Britannia
        C. Flavius Diocletianus senator censorius P. Germania
        C. Marius Merullus senator censorius P. Nova Britannia
        K. Fabius Buteo Modianus senator censorius P. Lacus Magni

         
        Consulares

        M. Minucius Audens senator consularis P. Nova Britannia
        M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus senator consularis P. Lacus Magni
        C. Popillius Laenas senator consularis P. America Austrorientalis
        Ti, Galerius Paulinus senator consularis P. Mediatlantica
        Q. Fabius Maximus senator consularis P. California
        T. Iulius Sabinus senator consularis P. Dacia
        Fr. Apulus Caesar senator consularis Italia

        Praetorii

         
        A. Tullia Scholastica senatrix praetoria P. Mediatlantica
        M. Iulius Severus senator praetorius P. Mexico
        M. Curiatius Complutensis senator praetorius P. Hispania
        C. Equitius Cato senator praetorius P. Mediatlantica
        M. Iulius Perusianus senator praetorius Italia
        M. Arminius Maior senator praetorius P. Brasilia
        T. Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus senator praetorius P. Thule

         
        Aedilicii

         
        P. Memmius Albucius senator aedilicius P. Gallia
        C. Curius Saturninus senator aedilicius P. Thule
        Em Curia Finnica senatrix aedilicia P. Thule

        Tribunicii
         
        Q. Suetonius Paulinus senator tribunicius P. Canada Occidentalis
        Fl. Galerius Aurelianus senator tribunicius P. America Austrorientalis
        M. Hortensia Maior senatrix tribunicia P. America Austrorientalis
        Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa senator tribunicius P. Canada Occidentalis

        Quaestorii


        Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus senator quaestorius P. Lacus Magni
        Cn. Iulius Caesar senator quaestorius P. Canada Ulterior
        Equestria Iunia Laeca senatrix quaestoria P. Nova Britannia
        Am. Moravia Aurelia senatrix quaestoria P. America Austroccidentalis

        Privati senatores

         
        Ap. Tullius Marcellus Cato senator P. Canada Orientalis
        M. Lucretius Agricola senator P. Asia Ulterior
        Anna Minucia Marcella senatrix P. Nova Britannia

        The current magistrates with the ius sententiae are:

         
        Consul M. Curiatius Complutensis senator praetorius P. Hispania
        Consul M. Iulius Severus senator praetorius P. Mexico
        Praetor Cn. Equitius Marinus senator censorius P. Mediatlantica
        Praetor P. Memmius Albucius senator aedilicius P. Gallia
        Censor Ti, Galerius Paulinus senator consularis P. Mediatlantica
        Censor C. Popillius Laenas senator consularis P. America Austrorientalis

        These former magistrates, with the ius sententiae, may attend and vote in the Senate

        but are not currently Senators nor members of the Board of Directors of Nova Roma, Inc.

        Censorius Lucius Cornelius Sulla
        Censorius Marcus Octavius Gracchus
        Consular Po Minucia Strabo

         
         
        Datum sub manibus nostris a.d. VII Id. Ian. MMDCCLXII a.u.c.
        Given under our hands this the seventh day of January 2762 A.U.C.

         
        Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
        Gaius Popillius Laenas
        Censores, Novae Romae

        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60410 From: mike orley Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
        Okay, now that you have both aroused my interst, I'm going home tonight, whip out my copy of Jensen and look up this topic !
         
        Valete

        Michael P. Orley

        --- On Wed, 1/7/09, gaiuspopilliuslaenas <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:

        From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas <gaiuspopillius@...>
        Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Caesar and Punctuation
        To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 5:32 PM

        Laenas Lupo Aquilae SPD.

        Thank you both for the information.  If anyone else has specifics
        regarding the claim about Caesar please let me know.

        Valete




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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60411 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SENATORIBVS ADLEGENDIS 2762 I
        SALVETE!

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

        > V. Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa is appointed a Senator of Nova Roma and
        added to the Album Senatorium.>>>

        Congratulations to Agrippa, a dedicated and fine Roman I was honored to
        meet last summer in my country. NR will benefit by his wisdom and good
        experience.

        VALETE,
        IVL SABINVS
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60412 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Visit the Temple of Mercurius!
        SALVETE!

        These days represents the New Year beginning. We enter in the New Year
        with new hopes, new plans and with the specific energy of that
        beginning.
        Both Mercurius sacerdotes, Cornelius Felix and I, wish to all novi
        romani a prosperous New Year. We pray to Mercurius for you, for
        successes in your lives, jobs, careers, studies, businesses and we wish
        you to accomplish with maximum results all what you planned for the
        current year. For those who are interested, the virtual Temple of
        Mercurius is at this address and there you can post your own prayers:
        http://www.dacia-novaroma.org/Temple-of-Mercurius.htm

        VALETE,
        IVL SABINVS
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60413 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SENATORIBVS ADLEGENDIS 2762 I
        Sen. Vipsanio Agrippae s.d.

        I add my voice to Consularis Sabinus.

        Welcome to the Senate, Agrippa !

        Vale !


        P. Memmius Albucius
        sen.


        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
        <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:
        >
        > SALVETE!
        >
        > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gallagher <spqr753@> wrote:
        >
        > > V. Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa is appointed a Senator of Nova Roma
        and
        > added to the Album Senatorium.>>>
        >
        > Congratulations to Agrippa, a dedicated and fine Roman I was
        honored to
        > meet last summer in my country. NR will benefit by his wisdom and
        good
        > experience.
        >
        > VALETE,
        > IVL SABINVS
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60414 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mass graves of Himera
        A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Valerio Poplicolae L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis, praesertim Latine loquentibus, S.P.D.
         

        I didn't check. The oath was formulated before me already. I didn't
        think it was to be changed. I expected with all the Latinists around
        that it would have already been fixed, so why would I have expected to
        bother checking it?

            ATS: The Latin version of the oath is grammatically correct, and has a nice rhythm to it as well.  It follows the style of the previous grammatically-incorrect Latin version, and was checked by a Latin-speaking consul and a pontifex who is quite proficient in Latin.  Yes, some of the quaestores (and probably others) did not check the end of the feminine version of the oath, where all of the magisterial titles are given in the genitive under the heading of translator’s notes, but that is their fault.  I would expect that anyone who knows Latin would know the correct form to use even without that assistance.  

            As for the spelling, we use the standard three-way distinction, which is apparently the official one in NR.  However, anyone who does so would be in deep trouble with Avitus; for him, one must use j or employ the ancient two-way distinction, but with V for the capital and u for the minuscule, not U for the capital.  In my Sermo classes, I follow Avitus’ practice, and use the j, which occasionally appears elsewhere.  My Grammatica classes use a text which follows the three-way distinction, so I do not use j there in order to avoid confusing the students.  

        <brief snip>

            Could we please refrain from unwarranted insults, such as one below?  Some indeed are deserved, but this one was not.  

        Valete.  



        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
        >
        > Salve Poplicola,
        > I didn't call your use of Latin illogical. Please read, before
        > hitting that "reply" button.
        > There were no typos in your oath, but a grammar mistake. I didn't
        > bother reading other people's Latin oaths, but from someone who is
        > graduating in Latin and Greek I expected good grammar.
        >
        > Optime vale,
        > Livia
        >
        > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "Q. Valerius Poplicola"
        > <catullus.poeta@> wrote:
        > >
        > > I didn't realize that you call typos "illogical". But they weren't
        > my
        > > typos anyway. I inherited it from the tribune Aquila, who, I'm sure,
        > > borrowed it from someone else. It's quite simple to turn v's to u's
        > -
        > > it's less simple to have to check other people's Latin for their own
        > > incompetency.
        > >
        > > What *is* illogical is assuming that what I did was illogical. But
        > > hey, I guess I shouldn't be too hard on you. Being Italian and all,
        > > you might not be aware of what the word logic means.
        > >
        > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@>
        > wrote:
        > > >
        > > > L. Livia Plauta Q. Caecilio Metello S.P.D.
        > > >
        > > > What's your current profession, that its illogical nature brings
        > you
        > > > to seek logic elsewhere? (I knew your Album Civium photo reminded
        > me
        > > > of Tuvok!)
        > > > Actually the u/i system in Latin is not particularly logical, but
        > > > historical, as it reflects the earliest use by Latins themselves,
        > who
        > > > didn't distinguish in writing between the vowel 'U' and the
        > semivowel
        > > > 'W', writing both as 'V' when in capital letters, and 'u' when in
        > > > cursiva (the ancestor of our lower-case letters). Of course, if
        > you
        > > > want to be totally historical you should either use all capital
        > > > letters or all lower-case. If you want to be totally logical,
        > though,
        > > > it would be better to use the system distinguishing vowels from
        > > > semivowels, so u/v and i/j.
        > > >
        > > > Well, at least your use is better than Poplicola's, who took the
        > > > pains of substituting all the v's with u's in his oath of office,
        > > > then forgot to decline 'quaestor' in the genitive.
        > > >
        > > > Optime vale,
        > > > Livia
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Nova-Roma%40yahoogroups.com> , "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
        > > > <postumianus@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > Q Caecilius Metellus A Tulliae Scholasticae salutem.
        > > > >
        > > > > >     ATS2:  I believe the term stone is used more in
        > > > > > Britain than here (Metellus lives in the US).  I think it's
        > > > > > 20 pounds.  Lately he and certain others on the CP list have
        > > > > > taken to using an odd variant of the double-distinction Latin
        > > > > > spelling rather than the more normal triple distinction
        > > > > > system or the quadruple one favored by Avitus and some other
        > > > > > Latinists; they distinguish i and u, but not j and v, and do
        > > > > > so in an odd fashion.  Seeing Ualete instead of Valete is a
        > > > > > bit unsettling; u should be used only for minuscules in that
        > > > > > system, and V for capitals.
        > > > >
        > > > > I think the illogical nature of my current profession has
        > brought
        > > > me to
        > > > > apply as much logic to things as I can muster.  In deciding to
        > use
        > > > the i/u
        > > > > system, rather than the i/u/v or the i/j//u/v system, it seemed
        > > > sensible
        > > > > (even if non-conforming) to take an all-or-none position on
        > it.  
        > > > Thus, since
        > > > > I've gone with the i/u system, I use all i's and all u's.  
        > > > Unconventional,
        > > > > yes, but equally logical, and (to my mind) far less confusing.  
        > > > (Though, if
        > > > > anyone wants something truly confusing, you're more than
        > welcome to
        > > > attend
        > > > > my monthly lectures on options and option strategies.)  It also
        > > > seems to me
        > > > > a bit easier with pronunciation.  While we typically
        > approximate
        > > > the Latin
        > > > > 'v' to the English 'w', it doesn't seem to me to be quite the
        > > > case.  But
        > > > > pronouncing that 'v' as a 'u' sounds a bit closer.  Give it a
        > try
        > > > sometime,
        > > > > and tell me how you like (or don't like) it.  It's a little
        > > > difficult at
        > > > > first, but it grows on you.
        > > > >
        > > > > At any rate, I seem to have a general leaning toward things of
        > my
        > > > friends
        > > > > across the pond.  Thus I more frequently write honour, favour,
        > and
        > > > colour
        > > > > than I do honor, favor, and color.
        > > > >
        > > > > Uale Optime,
        > > > >
        > > > > Quintus Caecilius Metellus
        > > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >

         
              
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60415 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus omnibus s.p.d.

            I love how this (and many other threads on Nova-Roma) degrade so quickly from something interesting to name-calling and rough words. I'm all for Latin and proper Latin grammar, but someone change the subject already!
            Maximas gratias vobis ago.
         
        --
        Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
        http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



        From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
        To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:51:32 PM
        Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mass graves of Himera

        A. Tullia Scholastica Q. Valerio Poplicolae L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis, praesertim Latine loquentibus, S.P.D.
         

        I didn't check. The oath was formulated before me already. I didn't
        think it was to be changed. I expected with all the Latinists around
        that it would have already been fixed, so why would I have expected to
        bother checking it?

            ATS: The Latin version of the oath is grammatically correct, and has a nice rhythm to it as well.  It follows the style of the previous grammatically- incorrect Latin version, and was checked by a Latin-speaking consul and a pontifex who is quite proficient in Latin.  Yes, some of the quaestores (and probably others) did not check the end of the feminine version of the oath, where all of the magisterial titles are given in the genitive under the heading of translator’s notes, but that is their fault.  I would expect that anyone who knows Latin would know the correct form to use even without that assistance.  

            As for the spelling, we use the standard three-way distinction, which is apparently the official one in NR.  However, anyone who does so would be in deep trouble with Avitus; for him, one must use j or employ the ancient two-way distinction, but with V for the capital and u for the minuscule, not U for the capital.  In my Sermo classes, I follow Avitus’ practice, and use the j, which occasionally appears elsewhere.  My Grammatica classes use a text which follows the three-way distinction, so I do not use j there in order to avoid confusing the students.  

        <brief snip>

            Could we please refrain from unwarranted insults, such as one below?  Some indeed are deserved, but this one was not.  

        Valete.  



        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova- Roma%40yahoogrou ps.com> , "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
        >
        > Salve Poplicola,
        > I didn't call your use of Latin illogical. Please read, before
        > hitting that "reply" button.
        > There were no typos in your oath, but a grammar mistake. I didn't
        > bother reading other people's Latin oaths, but from someone who is
        > graduating in Latin and Greek I expected good grammar.
        >
        > Optime vale,
        > Livia
        >
        > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova- Roma%40yahoogrou ps.com> , "Q. Valerius Poplicola"
        > <catullus.poeta@> wrote:
        > >
        > > I didn't realize that you call typos "illogical". But they weren't
        > my
        > > typos anyway. I inherited it from the tribune Aquila, who, I'm sure,
        > > borrowed it from someone else. It's quite simple to turn v's to u's
        > -
        > > it's less simple to have to check other people's Latin for their own
        > > incompetency.
        > >
        > > What *is* illogical is assuming that what I did was illogical. But
        > > hey, I guess I shouldn't be too hard on you. Being Italian and all,
        > > you might not be aware of what the word logic means.
        > >
        > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova- Roma%40yahoogrou ps.com> , "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@>
        > wrote:
        > > >
        > > > L. Livia Plauta Q. Caecilio Metello S.P.D.
        > > >
        > > > What's your current profession, that its illogical nature brings
        > you
        > > > to seek logic elsewhere? (I knew your Album Civium photo reminded
        > me
        > > > of Tuvok!)
        > > > Actually the u/i system in Latin is not particularly logical, but
        > > > historical, as it reflects the earliest use by Latins themselves,
        > who
        > > > didn't distinguish in writing between the vowel 'U' and the
        > semivowel
        > > > 'W', writing both as 'V' when in capital letters, and 'u' when in
        > > > cursiva (the ancestor of our lower-case letters). Of course, if
        > you
        > > > want to be totally historical you should either use all capital
        > > > letters or all lower-case. If you want to be totally logical,
        > though,
        > > > it would be better to use the system distinguishing vowels from
        > > > semivowels, so u/v and i/j.
        > > >
        > > > Well, at least your use is better than Poplicola's, who took the
        > > > pains of substituting all the v's with u's in his oath of office,
        > > > then forgot to decline 'quaestor' in the genitive.
        > > >
        > > > Optime vale,
        > > > Livia
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Nova- Roma%40yahoogrou ps.com> , "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
        > > > <postumianus@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > Q Caecilius Metellus A Tulliae Scholasticae salutem.
        > > > >
        > > > > >     ATS2:  I believe the term stone is used more in
        > > > > > Britain than here (Metellus lives in the US).  I think it's
        > > > > > 20 pounds.  Lately he and certain others on the CP list have
        > > > > > taken to using an odd variant of the double-distinction Latin
        > > > > > spelling rather than the more normal triple distinction
        > > > > > system or the quadruple one favored by Avitus and some other
        > > > > > Latinists; they distinguish i and u, but not j and v, and do
        > > > > > so in an odd fashion.  Seeing Ualete instead of Valete is a
        > > > > > bit unsettling; u should be used only for minuscules in that
        > > > > > system, and V for capitals.
        > > > >
        > > > > I think the illogical nature of my current profession has
        > brought
        > > > me to
        > > > > apply as much logic to things as I can muster.  In deciding to
        > use
        > > > the i/u
        > > > > system, rather than the i/u/v or the i/j//u/v system, it seemed
        > > > sensible
        > > > > (even if non-conforming) to take an all-or-none position on
        > it.  
        > > > Thus, since
        > > > > I've gone with the i/u system, I use all i's and all u's.  
        > > > Unconventional,
        > > > > yes, but equally logical, and (to my mind) far less confusing.  
        > > > (Though, if
        > > > > anyone wants something truly confusing, you're more than
        > welcome to
        > > > attend
        > > > > my monthly lectures on options and option strategies.)  It also
        > > > seems to me
        > > > > a bit easier with pronunciation.  While we typically
        > approximate
        > > > the Latin
        > > > > 'v' to the English 'w', it doesn't seem to me to be quite the
        > > > case.  But
        > > > > pronouncing that 'v' as a 'u' sounds a bit closer.  Give it a
        > try
        > > > sometime,
        > > > > and tell me how you like (or don't like) it.  It's a little
        > > > difficult at
        > > > > first, but it grows on you.
        > > > >
        > > > > At any rate, I seem to have a general leaning toward things of
        > my
        > > > friends
        > > > > across the pond.  Thus I more frequently write honour, favour,
        > and
        > > > colour
        > > > > than I do honor, favor, and color.
        > > > >
        > > > > Uale Optime,
        > > > >
        > > > > Quintus Caecilius Metellus
        > > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >

         
              
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60416 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Oaths of Office
        EX OFFICIO

        Gaius Popillius Laenas Censor Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,

        I ask any elected magistrates who have not published their oath of
        office to do so.

        The oath should be published on the Main List and on the Nova Roma
        Announce list.

        Gratias tibi ago.
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60417 From: Libero Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Revival of gladiatorial tuornaments in Rome

         

         

        Spectati omnes,

        I reply to this post today, VII IDVS IANVARIAS, because december the 23rd I left, and I came home today.

        Sorry if I bring you back to a thread which is already over.

        But I see Plauta writes things that are personally against me. So I love to reply in the Forum!



        Well, if you are in favour of Fascism,

        Usual lack of honesty. Sorry Plauta, I did NOT write a single word in favour of Fascism.

        But yes, in Italy some antifascists define FASCIST anyone opposing their views. I am not even opposing your views, I only mentioned historical facts.

        Nova Roma is not the place for
        you.
        Sugh people have been thrown out before, and they will be thrown
        out again if needed.

        That sounds a bit Fascist, doesn’t it?


        You think that most people here condone fascism because they are
        "roman",

        You dream Plauta. Your evident hate for Fascism make you read what it is not written. I did not write that people in NR condone Fascism.

        and this way you are proving mt previous point about fascism
        and Rome being STILL (even if less then before) linked in people's
        minds.

        >
        > It is important to prove that the Mtr works as a Fascist
        organization. This
        > is important: we don't care if single persons in Mtr like Fascism,
        That's
        > their own business.
        >
        > Does MTR work as a fascist organization? Let's see.
        >
        >
        I don't care if it works as a fascist organization. If it has
        fascists in it, I don't want to have anything to do with it.

        Well, Plauta, nobody wants you to be part of Mtr. We do not even care about your likes and dislikes. Your private life doesn’t concern NR very much, does it?



        >
        >
        > "Neofascists" is a general word, and let's not forget it, it is
        DEROGATORY.
        > A neofascist never calls himself a neofascist.

        Of course. And an idiot never calls himself an idiot. So what?

        Well, that sounds fascist increasingly more!




        >

        >
        > Nothing could be more far from MTR of a romantic philosophy.
        One of
        the
        > books they like the most, written by the Evola you mention, has
        this title:
        > "BEYOND ROMANTICISM" .
        >
        > They do like Julius Evola, no doubt.
        >

        This kind of current is usually called "romantic-anticapit alism",
        whether you like the name or not.

        This the way antifascist people speak. You are trying to pass put your political side as truth. It is not.



        > One of them is THE BEST EXPERT IN THE WORLD. Simple but clear.

        He obviously was not there at the forum visit and has not done enough
        to educate the others.

        >
        > Yes, their osculatio ends with a "roman" salute. The same salute
        Facists and
        > Nazis adopted. FROM Rome, and obviously not the opposite. Or are you
        > suggesting that the Romans didn't the "Roman salute"?
        >
        That's why their osculatio is wrong. Osculatio does NOT end with a
        salute.

        >
        > Again, too simple. Skinhead are a very peculiar, and small, and
        irrelevant
        > part of Italian Neofascism. Moreover: skinhead means without hair.
        Got short
        > hair? You are no skinhead: and in English is even clearer!!!

        That's why I pointed out that they were dressed like skinheads, but
        had hair.

        Ok, let’s put it clear: there were NO skinheads at that meeting.


        >

        > The older guys were wearing collars and ties,
        > and amiably chatting with each other about things fascists usually
        > chat about (the world going down the drain ... what a dreadful
        > situation ... there are no values anymore ... o tempora, o
        mores ...
        > let's do something to revive the greatness of Italian people, etc).
        >
        > This is typical of today's Italy, not of Fascists.

        Maybe typical of whiners like you.

        Offending instead of speaking: many would call it a fascist attitude.

        I




        > This is not honest: Fascist will harm you just because of their
        being
        > Facists! Livia, let me suggest to stop reading "
        ProductID="La Repubblica" w:st="on">La Repubblica ".
        >
        No, they will harm me because I'm not fascist. I read La Repubblica ,
        La Stampa , Il Corriere, when I'm in Italy. But I have other sources
        of information.

        You live in a dream made up by the papers you read. Reality, out there, is different.



        >
        > Political
        > opponents were "warned" by making them drink ricinus oil,
        >
        > INSTEAD OF BEING KILLED, you spend a couple of hours in the loo
        >
        > then beaten
        > up,
        >
        > true
        >
        > imprisoned,
        >
        > sometimes
        >
        >
        >
        > confined to small villages in the middle of nowhere,
        >
        > INSTEAD OF BEING KILLED, given that nowhere was anyway in
        w:st="on"> Italy , is
        better
        > than being killed as was the normal way of Italian Antifascists in
        that age.
        >
        >
        > or outright killed.
        > Then after they allied themselves with Germany, they had to follow
        > the policy of sending Jews, gays, Gypsies to concentration camps,
        >
        > Gays? In Italy? It never happened. Gypsies, in Italy, in the
        thirties?
        > Kidding, eh?
        >
        Quote from my previous post: "In Italy there is a tendency to
        undervalue the crimes of fascism". Quod erat demonstrandum.

        Dishonest, as usual. The “tendency” you speak of, is simply saying the truth about Italian history.

        You lie, Plauta: and if someone says openly that you do it, you say your lies are in this way demonstrated. Very dishonest.



        > rehabilitation. It is simply saying the truth.

        The gods save me from people who think they know the truth!

        I do not know the Truth. As Italian I know some historical facts that happened in Italy .



        >
        > But I am Italian: so I know that every single Italian had Fascists
        in his
        > family.
        >
        Now you are insulting people's ancestors. This is where the
        moderators should step in.

        Can a fact be an insult? Italian were Fascists, like it or not.



        >
        > I wonder if you are really Italian!
        >
        Yes, your kind would not consider me italian, because my ancestors on
        my father's side have only been there for 4 centuries, and they are
        Jews! Oh, anathema! My other ancestors are from Sardinia and Tuscany.

        You are dreaming, you live in a nightmare that…..doesn’t exist.

        Why should I not consider you Italian?

        No anathema was pronounced here by anybody but YOU.



        Gallus Solaris Alexander

        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60418 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation
        Re: [Nova-Roma] Caesar and Punctuation
        A. Tullia Scholastica C. Popillio Laenati D. Suetonio Lupo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
         

        Salvete omnes,

        Collene McCullough writes in several of her books that C. Julius
        Caesar started the practice of denoting the beginning of words writen
        in Latin by placing a small dot over the first letter of a new word.  
        Apparently ancient Latin was written without any punctuation or even
        spaces between words.

            ATS:  Indeed, in the inscriptions all words are often run together, but some place a centered dot (or, to be fancy, an ivy leaf or the like) in between words.  Greek is much the same, and the early Greek inscriptions are sometimes written in what is called boustrophedon, that is, one line is written right to left, and the next left to right, etc., as some modern printers do, though the printers do not write the letters in reverse as the inscribers did.   

        I have been told by others that the Greeks invented punctuation
        several hundred years before Caesar.

            ATS:  Classical Greek in its modern written form requires three accents, originally representing tones rather than stresses, as well as a subscript diacritic and a mark called a breathing at the beginning of words starting with a vowel.  These were added to ancient Greek when foreigners had to learn Greek as adults to communicate with their conquerors, inter alia.  If memory serves, this was around the third century BCE, when the tones became uniform stresses for a similar reason; according to some neurological research I read some years ago, adults and adolescents over 13 have varying degrees of difficulty learning the phonological system of a foreign language while at the same time becoming more proficient at learning the grammatical one of their own and any others.

            Note that in both classical and modern Greek, this mark ; (semicolon) signifies what ?  (question mark) does for us.  Modern Greek uses only one accent, and there seems to be no difference in pronunciation with either breathing, but in classical Greek, the rough breathing indicated the presence of an initial h-sound, while the smooth breathing indicated its absence.  

            Lupe, the file on Latin writing written by Avitus, and available onsite IF AND WHEN THE @#% AT SERVER IS EVER REPAIRED OR REPLACED, will give you far more information on these matters than Janson will.  Of course you should have downloaded this and printed it out before the dying gasps of the server were heard.  

        Does anybody know the truth, or (even better) a citation for
        McCullough's claims about Caesar?

            ATS:  I don’t, but possibly one of the Lives would have such information.  Marinus had mentioned something along these lines to me.  

        I am doing some research for a training class I am writing and would
        like to use some facts about Caesar in an example.  However, I do not
        want to include anything that is inaccurate.

            ATS:  Of course not.  

        Many thanks!

            ATS: Flocci est.  

        Valete,

        C. Popillius Laenas

        Valete.  

         
              
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60419 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        L. Livia Plauta Q. Caecilio Metello sal.


        >
        > About that picture in the Album Ciuium, I've been meaning to update
        it for
        > quite some time. One of these days I'll get around to that. I'm
        rather
        > honoured, though, that you'd put me at the rank of Lieutenant
        Commander.
        > I'd prefer Captain myself, but beggars can't be choosers, now can
        we?
        >
        Well, there's nothing wrong with the picture, just the background is
        a bit dark.
        It's just your penchant for logic that inspired me to compare you to
        Tuvok :-)

        > As to my current profession, I'm a stock broker.

        Well, since the stock market is massively influenced by people's
        irrational behaviours I can now see where the thirst for logic is
        coming from.
        You are probably still better off than if you were some starving
        academic (I know in America there might be some academics who do not
        starve, but it's hard for me to imagine, here in Europe).

        > As it were, I can't accept the use of 'j' in Latin, so I'm left to
        using all
        > vowels.
        >
        But the pronounciation distinguishes between vowels and semivowels.
        I like using 'j': my problem is just that I studied Latin with the
        italian system, that doesn't use it, and I don't have even one Latin
        text that uses it. However, I'm hoping to fix that, and other
        problems by taking the Sermo Latinus classes.
        Actually what I'd like best is writing in 'cursiva' on wax tablets
        (I'm totally serious: I made the bronze styli, just the guy who was
        going to make me the wax tablets didn't get around to it).

        > As far as Poplicola's use of Latin is concerned, though, I have
        found myself
        > in spots somewhat similar, whereby even in writing my own text, I
        thought
        > through the necessary declension (or conjugation; both have
        happened) but
        > failed to write the appropriate form. Sometimes the distance from
        head to
        > hand suddenly gets longer in the span of a mere nanosecond.
        >
        I'm sure that happens to me a lot when I'm not writing in my mother-
        tongue. Thankfully English has no declensions, but sometimes I find
        weird typos when re-reading what I wrote.

        Optime vale,
        Livia

        PS: One reason I will never use the 'u' system is that then I'd have
        to write 'Liuia', and that would feel just too wrong, after I've been
        'Livia' all my life.
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60420 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        L. Livia Plauta A, Tullia Scholasticae sal.




        > ATS: The Latin version of the oath is grammatically correct,
        and has a
        > nice rhythm to it as well. It follows the style of the previous
        > grammatically-incorrect Latin version, and was checked by a Latin-
        speaking
        > consul and a pontifex who is quite proficient in Latin. Yes, some
        of the
        > quaestores (and probably others) did not check the end of the
        feminine version
        > of the oath, where all of the magisterial titles are given in the
        genitive
        > under the heading of translator¹s notes, but that is their fault.
        I would
        > expect that anyone who knows Latin would know the correct form to
        use even
        > without that assistance.
        >
        LLP: So would I, but you seem to think that having this kind of
        expectations is an insult.
        Note that very probably a lot of magistrates didn't realize that the
        formula of the oath is to be found on the wiki, and just copied it
        from someone else's.

        ATS: (snipped)
        > Could we please refrain from unwarranted insults, such as one
        below? Some
        > indeed are deserved, but this one was not.
        >
        LLP: So expecting someone who is graduating in Latin to know Latin is
        an insult? What kind of glasses do you wear, that make you see
        insults everywhere?

        Optime vale,
        Livia
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60421 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Plauta Juliae Aquilae sal.


        >
        > LJA: I don't know for certain what height they were, nor does
        > anyone. Suetonious said Caesar "is said to have been tall, with
        > fair skin, slender limbs, a face that was just a little too full,
        and
        > very dark piercing eyes." Even so, like Alexander, no record of his
        > actual height is known. Guesstimates range from 5'7" to
        > 5'11" for Caesar. A Greek Art expert puts Alexander at about
        > 5'7," I believe based on the Alexander Mosaic and other
        > surviving art and sculpture of Alexander's time. A few centuries
        > later Curtius and Arrian write what are considered biased and
        inaccurate

        LLP:I read Curtius Rufus. Probably that's where I got the idea that
        Alexander was short. He might be no Thucydides, but makes for
        pleasant reading. His battle descriptions looked attendible to me,
        but then I'm no specialist.
        Please remember that the numbers you quote here mean nothing to me.
        The rest of the world no longer uses body parts to measure lenght.

        The "Alexander" film is a chapter best forgotten, since, like so many
        Hollywood films, it's not historically accurate at all.

        As far as I know the "nordic" theory (that Greeks were originally
        tall and blond, germanic-like tribes) was born in Germany, and had
        particular following in Nazi times.

        However, I've recently seen in a bookshop a book that just came out
        by an italian author, whose theory is that the homeric poems take
        place in the North Sea. I was going to dismiss it as the latest
        unscientific rambling, but then I saw that the preface is by a well-
        known italian graecist, so I leafed through and found that the theory
        is actually quite believable. The author analyzes the similarities
        between omeric poems and northern sagas, and also the descriptions of
        clothes and weather, and finds a lot of place names that are really
        close to homeric locations on the coast of Finland. He concludes that
        the Greek tribes lived in that area, then moved south when a mini-Ice
        age came. Considering that the surviving language closest to Greek is
        actually German, the theory might not be so wrong.

        However, by the time of Alexander these nordic greek tribes had been
        there for more than five centuries already, so it's safe to assume
        that they had blended in completely with the local dark and short
        people.


        > LLP:I haven't read any statistic on the matter, but something
        Italian
        > archaologists keep repeatin in every possible occasion is that the
        > average height in Italy in Greek-Roman times was more or less the
        > same as before the second World War, around 160 cms.
        >
        > LJA:Do you have a link or reference to corroborate this, even
        if it
        > could be found offline? I truly would like to learn more. I can't
        > find a link to a statement regarding a Princeton study indicated
        average
        > male height in ancient Italy was 168cm. I imagine this is based on
        > skeletal remains and other evidence such as clothing, tools, any
        ancient
        > statistics etc. I do not know I could not find it.
        >
        > I do seem to remember something about humans heights have not
        increased
        > much since around 1AD anyway. It would be interesting if someone
        knew of
        > some resources that could be shared.

        LLP2: No, I don't have any links. It's just something that gets
        repeated very often. The source that's always referred to is italian
        army recruitment statystics, indicative for men as long as military
        service was compulsory, that is until a few years ago.
        The general theory is that human heights didn't change much from
        antiquity (except maybe diminishing in the Middle Ages)to World War
        II. The real increase in Italy started in the sixties, possibly
        related to the increased consumption of meat. Anyway it's a fact
        that, since then, each generation is taller than the preceding one
        (see your son, or my cousins' children).

        When we were talking about this topic in December, Lentulus told me
        that his 18th century re-enactor friends have some original uniforms,
        but nowadays those will only fit children.

        > LJA:Look at the graphs on the link posted on message # 60338
        and
        > for more graphs google: "Bones of Contention: The Political Economy
        > of Height," as I alluded to before the misuse of this sort of
        > information makes it difficult to find online. I would not trust
        some of
        > the information on line that has no reference material. Here's
        > another link:
        >
        > http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/wwl/koepke_baten_twomillennia.pdf
        > <http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/wwl/koepke_baten_twomillennia.pdf>
        >
        LLP: Sorry, I can't open most pdf files on the current computer.
        Anyway I can imagine very well what sort of misuse this information
        lends itself to.

        >
        >
        > One such site had Western European men gaining 17cm or just over 6.6
        > inches, from 100AD to 2000AD but no references sited so to me it is
        not
        > validated. It seems like too much.

        LLP: No, it's probably true, but all the growth likely happened
        between 1960 and 2000.

        Optime vale,
        Livia
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60422 From: A. Tullia Scholastica Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mass graves of Himera
        A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
         

        L. Livia Plauta A, Tullia Scholasticae sal.

        >     ATS: The Latin version of the oath is grammatically correct,
        and has a
        > nice rhythm to it as well.  It follows the style of the previous
        > grammatically-incorrect Latin version, and was checked by a Latin-
        speaking
        > consul and a pontifex who is quite proficient in Latin.  Yes, some
        of the
        > quaestores (and probably others) did not check the end of the
        feminine version
        > of the oath, where all of the magisterial titles are given in the
        genitive
        > under the heading of translator’s notes, but that is their fault.  
        I would
        > expect that anyone who knows Latin would know the correct form to
        use even
        > without that assistance.
        >
        LLP: So would I, but you seem to think that having this kind of
        expectations is an insult.

            ATS2:  No, Plauta, I think that insulting you for being Italian (or whatever) is inappropriate, and that people should read what they post before so doing.  Those who do not know Latin in particular should read the entire oath, and find the correct forms of the titles at the end.  They are simple enough.  The oath was meant to be straightforward, with comparatively simple grammar and vocabulary, and is best in that format.  Poplicola should know the forms without that assistance, and so should some others, including you.  

        Note that very probably a lot of magistrates didn't realize that the
        formula of the oath is to be found on the wiki, and just copied it
        from someone else's.

            ATS2:  Yes, that is probably what happened...but anyone who knows Latin should realize that writing, say, quaestor, instead of quaestoris is wrong.  

        ATS: (snipped)
        >     Could we please refrain from unwarranted insults, such as one
        below?  Some
        > indeed are deserved, but this one was not.
        >
        LLP: So expecting someone who is graduating in Latin to know Latin is
        an insult?

            ATS2: No, Plauta.  Take a look at the post to which I was replying, and the ones copied below it.  You and everyone from Italy were insulted for your ethnicity and presumed inability to be logical as a result of that background.  I find that inappropriate.  As for Latin grammar, I do indeed expect that classicists, even undergraduates, know enough Latin to avoid such errors.  

        What kind of glasses do you wear, that make you see
        insults everywhere?

            ATS2:  I don’t see insults everywhere, but also don’t wear rose-colored glasses.  I see reality.  

        Optime vale,
        Livia

         Vale, et valete.  
              
           Messages in this topic           <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/60333
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60423 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        Salve Tullia.

        Livia Plauta before has indicated that she apparently cannot
        understand English well. I assumed that perhaps she didn't understand
        the word "logical" either.

        Has nothing to do with Italians. Has to do with Plauta.

        And once again, I copied from the Quaestor Aquila. I did not add
        Quaestor in there, I copied it directly from a current Quaestor who
        posted before me. How was I to know that he added Quaestor? Am I to
        check every little Latin word in a pre-approved oath? Moreover, I did
        not even know that the oaths were posted online - no one informed me.
        So I copied and pasted from Aquila.

        Sorry for committing such a horrid crime!

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Tullia Scholastica"
        <fororom@...> wrote:
        >
        > > A. Tullia Scholastica L. Liviae Plautae quiritibus, sociis,
        peregrinisque
        > > bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
        > >
        > >
        > > L. Livia Plauta A, Tullia Scholasticae sal.
        > >
        > >> > ATS: The Latin version of the oath is grammatically correct,
        > > and has a
        > >> > nice rhythm to it as well. It follows the style of the previous
        > >> > grammatically-incorrect Latin version, and was checked by a Latin-
        > > speaking
        > >> > consul and a pontifex who is quite proficient in Latin. Yes, some
        > > of the
        > >> > quaestores (and probably others) did not check the end of the
        > > feminine version
        > >> > of the oath, where all of the magisterial titles are given in the
        > > genitive
        > >> > under the heading of translator¹s notes, but that is their fault.
        > > I would
        > >> > expect that anyone who knows Latin would know the correct form to
        > > use even
        > >> > without that assistance.
        > >> >
        > > LLP: So would I, but you seem to think that having this kind of
        > > expectations is an insult.
        > >
        > > ATS2: No, Plauta, I think that insulting you for being
        Italian (or
        > > whatever) is inappropriate, and that people should read what they
        post before
        > > so doing. Those who do not know Latin in particular should read
        the entire
        > > oath, and find the correct forms of the titles at the end. They
        are simple
        > > enough. The oath was meant to be straightforward, with
        comparatively simple
        > > grammar and vocabulary, and is best in that format. Poplicola
        should know the
        > > forms without that assistance, and so should some others,
        including you.
        > >
        > > Note that very probably a lot of magistrates didn't realize that the
        > > formula of the oath is to be found on the wiki, and just copied it
        > > from someone else's.
        > >
        > > ATS2: Yes, that is probably what happened...but anyone who
        knows Latin
        > > should realize that writing, say, quaestor, instead of quaestoris
        is wrong.
        > >
        > > ATS: (snipped)
        > >> > Could we please refrain from unwarranted insults, such as one
        > > below? Some
        > >> > indeed are deserved, but this one was not.
        > >> >
        > > LLP: So expecting someone who is graduating in Latin to know Latin is
        > > an insult?
        > >
        > > ATS2: No, Plauta. Take a look at the post to which I was
        replying, and
        > > the ones copied below it. You and everyone from Italy were
        insulted for your
        > > ethnicity and presumed inability to be logical as a result of that
        background.
        > > I find that inappropriate. As for Latin grammar, I do indeed
        expect that
        > > classicists, even undergraduates, know enough Latin to avoid such
        errors.
        > >
        > > What kind of glasses do you wear, that make you see
        > > insults everywhere?
        > >
        > > ATS2: I don¹t see insults everywhere, but also don¹t wear
        rose-colored
        > > glasses. I see reality.
        > >
        > > Optime vale,
        > > Livia
        > >
        > > Vale, et valete.
        > >
        > > Messages in this topic
        > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/60333
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60424 From: Jim Date: 2009-01-07
        Subject: Oath of Office
        Salvete Omnes!

        I, Gaius Pompeius Marcellus( James Vincent Hooper) do hereby solemnly
        swear to
        uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
        interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

        As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Pompeius Marcellus( James
        Vincent
        Hooper) swear to honor
        the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
        the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

        I, Gaius Pompeius Marcellus(James Vincent Hooper) swear to uphold and
        defend the Religio
        Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
        any
        way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

        I, Gaius Pompeius Marcellus(James Vincent Hooper) swear to protect
        and
        defend the Constitution
        of Nova Roma.

        I, Gaius Pompeius Marcellus(James Vincent Hooper) further swear to
        fulfill
        the obligations and
        responsibilities of the office of Tribune of Plebs to the best of my
        abilities.

        On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
        Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
        do I accept the position of Tribune of Plebs and all the rights,
        privileges,
        obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

        Valete
        - Gaius Pompeius Marcellus

        http://warrior44_us@...
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60425 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-08
        Subject: a. d. VI Eidus Ianuarias: Ara Iustitae Augustae
        M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
        plurimam dicit: Di vos servent cum vester.

        Hodie est ante diem VI Eidus Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est:
        Iustitiae.

        "Upon the sixth day before the Ides of January the Dolphin sets in
        the evening, and Italy has as many days of continuous cold." ~ C.
        Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.64

        AUC 766 / 13 CE: Dedication of the Ara Iustitae Augustae.

        "If, Holy Iustitia, You are in Heaven above, I invoke Your divine
        presence as my witness." ~ L. Aennaeus Seneca, Medea 439-440


        AUC 707 / 46 BCE: The Battle of Ruspina (4 Jan.)

        "Caesar crossed the strait from Rhegium to Messana and went to
        Lilybaeum. Here, learning that Cato was guarding the enemy's
        magazines with a fleet and a part of the land forces at Utica, and
        that he had with him the 300 men who had for a long time constituted
        their council of war and were called the Senate, and that the
        commander, L. Scipio, and the flower of the army were at Adrumetum,
        he sailed against the latter. He arrived at a time when Scipio had
        gone away to meet Juba, and he drew up his forces for battle near
        Scipio's very camp in order to come to an engagement with the enemy
        at a time when their commander was absent. Labienus and Petreius,
        Scipio's lieutenants, attacked him, defeated him badly, and pursued
        him in a haughty and disdainful manner until Labienus's horse was
        wounded in the belly and threw him, and his attendants carried him
        off, and Petreius, thinking that he had made a thorough test of the
        army and that he could conquer whenever he liked, drew off his
        forces, saying to those around him, "Let us not deprive our general,
        Scipio, of the victory." In the rest of the battle it appeared to be
        a matter of Caesar's luck that the victorious enemy abandoned the
        field when they might have won; but it is said that in the flight
        Caesar dashed up to his whole line and turned it back and seizing one
        of those who p405carried the principal standards (the eagles) dragged
        him to the front. Finally, Petreius retired and Caesar was glad to do
        the same. Such was the result of Caesar's first battle in Africa." ~
        Appian, The Civil Wars 2.95

        Julius Caesar had boldly, some might say recklessly, sailed to Africa
        in winter with only one veteran legion, Legio V Alaude, and five
        legions of raw recruits. Along the way he lost most of his cavalry
        and what little supplies he had prepared to take with him. It was
        characteristic of Caesar in his earlier campaigns to rush his legions
        ahead with little thought to his logistics, and this time he was
        doubly harmed by the winter winds. He made his camp near Ruspina.
        With three legions of raw recruits he set off to forage the country.
        His former subordinate in Gallia, Titus Labienus, led an army of
        superior light Numidian cavalry. The year before a similar force had
        surrounded Caesar's general Curio and wiped out the Caesarian army.
        The Numidians employed mounted archers in hit and run tactics like
        those the Parthians had used to destroy Crassus at Carrhae only seven
        years early. Now Caesar found himself with few cavalry of his own,
        surround by a superior force, using unfamiliar tactics. The first
        problem he faced was trying to keep his own legions under control.
        Caesar formed his legions into a square. The Numidian cavalry
        circled round his formation, closing only to fire their arrows into
        the ranks of Caesar's formation. As the Numdians closed Caesar's raw
        recruits would break ranks to throw their javelins after the
        retreating the Numidian cavalryt. But then the exposed legionaries
        would be surrounded by more cavalry and cut down before they could be
        supported. Caesar's army was slowly being decimated by Labienus.
        Caesar next formed his legions into two lines facing in opposite
        directions, with his flanks guarded by his few remaining cavalry. He
        then advanced outward in both directions, pushing the Numidians back
        towards either side of the valley he was in. Then he turned to flee
        down the valley to a low hill. In a third phase of this running
        retreat, Labienus was reinforced by another Republican armyof
        Numidian cavalry and light infantry under Petreius. The Numidians
        again closed around Caesar as he made his stand on the hill. But
        when first Labienus and then Petreius were wounded, putting their
        armies into somewhat a confusion, Caesar beat a hasty retreat towards
        his camp. Actually there are two versions. Caesar posed it as an
        orderly retreat, repeated by the author of Bellum Africanum. Other
        commentators posed it as a route. Either way, Caesar reportedly lost
        a third of his force and posed it as a victory that his defeat had
        not been total as occurred to Crassus or Curio before him.


        The thought for today is from Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 7.38-44:

        It is not right to vex ourselves at things,
        For they care nought about it.

        To the immortal gods and us give joy.

        Life must be reaped like the ripe ears of corn:
        One man is born; another dies.

        If gods care not for me and for my children,
        There is a reason for it.

        For the good is with me, and the just.

        No joining others in their wailing, no violent emotion.
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60426 From: M. Lucretius Agricola Date: 2009-01-08
        Subject: Re: Oaths of Office
        I, M. Lucretius Agricola, W. Hogue do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
        the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
        people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

        As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, M. Lucretius Agricola, W. Hogue swear
        to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
        pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

        I, M. Lucretius Agricola, W. Hogue swear to uphold and defend the
        Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
        act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

        I, M. Lucretius Agricola, W. Hogue swear to protect and defend the
        Constitution of Nova Roma.

        I, M. Lucretius Agricola, W. Hogue further swear to fulfill the
        obligations and responsibilities of the office of Custos to the best
        of my abilities.

        On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
        and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
        accept the position of Custos and all the rights, privileges,
        obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
        <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
        >
        > EX OFFICIO
        >
        > Gaius Popillius Laenas Censor Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,
        >
        > I ask any elected magistrates who have not published their oath of
        > office to do so.
        >
        > The oath should be published on the Main List and on the Nova Roma
        > Announce list.
        >
        > Gratias tibi ago.
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60427 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-08
        Subject: Pax Nova Romana 2009

        Salvéte, amícae et amící,

         

        As intelligent people we should be able to converse without engaging in offensive and discourteous discourse. Or engaging in public persecution of one another based on what we do in a given situation or how we think something should be done. Confrontational speech of this nature disrupts the peace many of us are working hard towards. There are ways of correcting, or discussing, errors and most of us do not mind when corrected in our foreign language usage, source integrity, measurements or anything along those lines. However it does not need to be done in an insulting way. If you must insult, send your victim an email off list and try to refrain from a public persecution.

        For just a moment I really thought that we were going to have a discussion where we all were going to pool our knowledge and experiences then it all deconstructed.

        We all have to work together and most involved in this last event are those who have been appointed and/or elected to work together to move Nova Roma towards realization of her goals. Let's remember that we are the citizens who serve to guide and inspire and should behave accordingly.

        Please, let's demonstrate a little dignity and discipline.

        Gratiás vobis ago

         

        In amicitia,

         

        L. Julia Aquila

        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60428 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-08
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera

        Salvete omnes,

        I have learned a lot in this thread. In many ways far beyond the scope of the original topic.
        I enjoy the different Latin usages and different forms of measurements as much as the different languages. I find it an enjoyable challenge to translate words, measurements and even the different Latin usages. This is a great learning opportunity that prepares one for interaction with the international community; I certainly would not allow it to be a barrier to knowledge.

        Cúráte ut valeátis optimé!

         

        Julia Aquila


         

        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60429 From: L Julia Aquila Date: 2009-01-08
        Subject: Re: Caesar and Punctuation

        L. Julia Aquila C. Popillio Laenati S.P.D.

         

        Good morning,

        Just a thought but sometimes historic novels have references in the back, perhaps they are also in Colleen McCullough's? To add to that sometimes novelistsÂ…well they are novelists and facts are sometimes boring so perhaps this might not be a fact, but fancy. I have to side with the Magistra that regarding the probability that the Greeks invented punctuation way before Caesar. On the other hand why not try writing to Ms. McCullough if you hadn't already? You probably covered these bases already but just thought I would mention them.

        When you find out, please keep us updated!

         

        Cúrá ut valéas

         

        Julia Aquila


        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
        >
        > Salvete omnes,
        >
        > Collene McCullough writes in several of her books that C. Julius
        > Caesar started the practice of denoting the beginning of words writen
        > in Latin by placing a small dot over the first letter of a new word.
        > Apparently ancient Latin was written without any punctuation or even
        > spaces between words.
        >
        > I have been told by others that the Greeks invented punctuation
        > several hundred years before Caesar.
        >
        > Does anybody know the truth, or (even better) a citation for
        > McCullough's claims about Caesar?
        >
        > I am doing some research for a training class I am writing and would
        > like to use some facts about Caesar in an example. However, I do not
        > want to include anything that is inaccurate.
        >
        > Many thanks!
        >
        > Valete,
        >
        > C. Popillius Laenas
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60430 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-08
        Subject: Re: Mass graves of Himera
        L. Livia Plauta A. Tulliae Scholasticae sal.


        > > ATS2: No, Plauta, I think that insulting you for being
        Italian (or
        > > whatever) is inappropriate, and that people should read what they
        post before
        > > so doing.
        LLP: Oh, NOW I understand! I didn't see any insult, so I assumed you
        meant my correcting Poplicola, which he found insulting.
        You see, being Italian and all, I'm much rather inclined to laugh it
        off than take offence.

        Optime vale,
        Livia
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60431 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-09
        Subject: a. d. V Eidus Ianuarias: AGONIUM
        M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et
        omnibus salutem plurimam dicit: Dei vos annuant oro.

        Hodie est ante diem V Eidus Ianuarias; haec dies nefastus est: Agonium

        Priapus

        "May leafy shade shelter you, Priapus, and neither the hot sun nor
        snowy storms bring you harm." ~ Aulus Tibullus I.4.1

        Before going on to discuss the Agonium as today's sacrum of the State
        religion we should note that today also celebrates rites for Priapus
        as guardian of the family garden.


        Agonium

        "The dies Agonales on which the Rex sacrifices a ram in the Regia,
        were named from agon for this reason, because the minister sacrificii
        asks, 'Agone?' ('Shall I do my work'). Unless it is from the Greek,
        where 'agon' means 'leader,' from the fact that the sacrifice is
        performed by the leader of the State and that the leader of the flock
        is sacrificed." ~ M. Terrentius Varro, Lingua Latinae 6.12

        Festus derived the name of Agonium from 'agonia' as an older form
        than 'hostia' for the sacrificial victim. Then there was Agustinus
        who said that there was a god called Agonius. His explanation is
        thought to have been an invention, but it is possible that Janus may
        have been referred to by such a name at this sacrifice, introduced by
        the pontifices after the time of Varro and Ovid. In his usual
        manner, Ovid offers a few different ideas on this festival, all of
        which can be equally correct.

        "Janus must be propitiated on the Agonalia. The day may take its name
        from the girded priest at whose blow the god's sacrifice is felled:
        Always, before he stains the naked blade with hot blood, he asks if
        he should (agatne), and won't unless commanded.

        "Some believe that the day is called Agonalia because the sheep do
        not come to the altar but are driven (agantur). Others think the
        ancients called this festival Agnalia, `of the lambs', dropping a
        letter from its usual place. Or because the victim fears the knife
        mirrored in the water, the day might be so called from the creature's
        agony? It may also be that the day has a Greek name from the games
        (agones) that were held in former times. And in ancient speech agonia
        meant a sheep, and this last reason in my judgement is the truth.
        Though the meaning is uncertain, the Rex Sacrorum must appease the
        Gods with the mate of a woolly ewe. It's called the victim because a
        victorious hand fells it: and hostia, sacrifice, from conquered
        hostile foes.

        "Cornmeal and glittering grains of pure salt were once the means for
        men to placate the Gods. No foreign ship had yet brought liquid myrrh
        extracted from tree's bark, over the ocean waves: Euphrates had not
        sent incense, nor India balm, and the threads of yellow saffron were
        unknown. The altar was happy to fume with Sabine juniper, and the
        laurel burned with a loud crackling. He was rich, whoever could add
        violets to garlands woven from meadow flowers. The knife that bares
        the entrails of the stricken bull had no role to perform in the
        sacred rites." ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.317-348

        For the Agonium the Rex Sacrorum sacrificed a ram in the Regia,
        almost undoubtedly, to Janus. Janus is said to have been called
        Agnonius, through which the sacrifice took its name (Augustunus, Civ.
        Dei 4.11.16). These three important elements – Janus, the Rex
        Sacrorum, and the Regia – rather than antiquarian speculations and
        priestly invention, bring us to the very foundations of the religio
        Romana. At its core is the culti Deorum of the home and family.
        Janus is Guardian of the entrance to the home, as Vesta is Guardian
        of the Hearth, the inner sanctum of the home. In the Carmen Salii He
        is the "God of Gods," Deus Deorum, and He is duonus Cerus, the "Good
        Creator." "Janus, who was before all the Gods, to whom our parents
        first invoked in their prayers, from whom all things proceed (Festus
        s. v. Chaos)." He is variously called – Geminus (Twin), Patuleius
        (the Opener of the Years), Matutinus (the Beginning of the Day). He
        is the first to greet any visitor to the family home, and likewise He
        is the Gate Keeper through whom access is found to the other Gods
        (Ovid, Fasti 1.171-174). He is offered wine and cakes before all
        other deities (ibid. Cato, De Agricultura 134). His name comes first
        in the order of deities invoked in a devotio (Livy 8.9.6). Always
        is He recognized in this manner:

        "Sower of the years, Janus, beginning of the shining and most
        beautiful world, with You begins our prayers and public vows." ~
        Martial, Epigrammata 10.28.1-2

        We see then, too, that the special priest of Janus is the Rex
        Sacrorum. In the most ancient order of the priests in the Collegium
        Pontificum, the Rex Sacrorum stood first in dignity, followed
        respectively by the flamen Dialis, flamen Martialis, and flamen
        Quirinalis, and lastly by the Pontifex Maximus with two other
        pontifices (Festus 185). The Vestales Virgines then followed the
        Collegium Pontificum in processions of later times, and they in turn
        were followed by the other collegia, sodalitates, and finally the
        flamines minores (Lucan Pharsalia I.584-638). An interpretation of
        the priesthoods holds that the Rex Sacrorum, standing in for the
        traditional kings of Rome, represented the head of an extended family
        living in one of the great houses. The flamines maiores then
        represented his sons and the Vestales his daughters. Among the
        deities served by the flamines maiores – Jupiter, Mars, and Quirinus
        (Romulus) there is another familial relationship of father, son, and
        grandson. Janus, represented by His priest in this order, may then
        be seen as though He corresponds to the Lar familiaris, the
        originating patriarch of the household.

        Something to consider here is the matter of when a Rex Sacrorum was
        first introduced. Servius Tullius was not chosen king in the
        traditional manner. He did not take the title of king (Rex) but
        instead fashioned himself as Magister Populi. He was a tyrant in the
        same sense as his contemporaries Peisistratus of Athens and Lygdamis
        of Naxos, basing his political power in the urban artisans and
        tradesmen, and with small farmers and herdsmen of the countryside
        against the aristocratic families of large rural estates. The Rex
        Sacrorum may have then been introduced around 578 BCE to serve in the
        ritual roles of the traditional Rex. Another thought is that his
        office was introduced after 509 BCE with the establishment of the
        Republic.

        The final ingredient to the Agonium is then the Regia. A single
        surviving marker shows that the place had originally been set off as
        a templum. The earliest construction of the Regia consisted of a
        courtyard and to two chambers behind a portico with a space left
        between these. In the Regia were held the sacra of Ops Consive and
        that of Mars including the hasta Marti and the sacred shield send
        down by Jupiter to King Numa, along with the ancillae. The second
        phase of construction just expanded the courtyard to include both
        sacella more. In the mid-sixth century, one cella was removed and a
        great hall added on the northern side. It was in this period that
        the frieze plaques appeared bearing images of panthers, lions,
        minotaurs, and birds, disc acroteria, antefixes of gorgons and female
        heads, and possibly terracotta statuary as well. In its decoration in
        this period, under Servius Tullius, we see the influx of motifs from
        the eastern Mediterranean. Near the end of his reign, traditionally
        in 534 BCE, the Regia burnt down. Under Tarquinius Superbus the
        Regia was reoriented, the two cellas transferred from the western end
        to the eastern, with a vestibule between them. It is at this point
        that Janus Matutinus, the rising sun filling the cellas with light,
        could have been brought together with his other aspects as seen in
        later times. In its final phase at the end of the 6th century,
        supposedly with the expulsion of Tarquinius Superbus, the Regia was
        transformed. This was when it became a porticus house like those
        found elsewhere in Latium at this time in Ficana, Torrino, and most
        clearly at Satricum. It is rectangular, rather than irregular in
        form. It consisted of three chambers, fronted by a portico that
        opened onto a courtyard. This early type of urban great house began,
        with the final phase of the Regia construction, to be adopted as a
        style used for temples, just as the distinctly different atrium house
        was being introduced along the Via Sacra.

        From this very early period remain also only fragments of the Carmen
        Salii addressed to Janus:

        "Arise, O Consus, arise. All things, truly, I entrust to Patulcium
        the Opener. Now You are Janus the Gatekeeper, now Cerus the Good
        Creator, now Janus the God of Good Beginnings. Come, now most
        especially, You who are the better of these kings. Dance before the
        Father of the Gods, give thanks to the God of Gods." ~ Varro, Lingua
        Latinae 7.26; 7.27


        A thought for today, in honor of Janus, comes from Sextus, who was
        one of Seneca's teachers, Selected Sentences 4 through 6:

        "God is a light incapable of receiving its contrary, darkness. You
        have within yourself something similar to God, and therefore use
        yourself as the temple of God, on account of that which in you
        resembles God. Honor God above all things that He may rule over you."
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60432 From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Date: 2009-01-09
        Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
        Oh there is a movie? Didn't know that. I thought it was a tv show. Well I only saw the video clip Aquila posted.
         
        MVM 


        --- On Sun, 1/4/09, A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

        From: A. Tullia Scholastica <fororom@...>
        Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
        To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 5:00 PM


         
        A. Tullia Scholastica Maximae Valeriae Messallinae T. Flavio Aquilae quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

            I am taking a short break from writing a Latin midterm, due out tomorrow...and then must mass mail the lessons to the students in all other classes.  Grrrrrrr.... .

        I have never seen that show, but the video was fun to watch. Thanks for sharing.

            This movie is absolutely hilarious, especially for anyone in the classics.  There is, however, one scene which might not be suitable for you, Maxima (male nudity, but nothing wild).  I enjoyed this clip, and took advantage of the link from it to the famous graffiti scene, in which a hapless Roman subject gets caught not only writing anti-Roman graffiti, but also mutilating the grammar of the Latin language.  The soldier who caught him corrects his grammar one word at a time, paradigms included, and makes him write the correct version one hundred times before dawn lest he suffer the loss of his virility.  I heartily recommend this section (called Romanes eunt domus) to anyone who knows Latin, especially my students...magistra timenda is waiting.  Better get that Latin correct...

            ItÂ’s been a long time since I saw this movie; I must make time to watch the recording I have of it...vielen Dank!  

        Maxima Valeria Messallina

            Valete.  


        --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de> wrote:
        From: Titus Flavius Aquila <titus.aquila@ yahoo.de>
        Subject: [Nova-Roma] That´s why I like Monty Python´s so much !
        To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
        Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 1:39 PM

        What have the Romans ever done for us ?

        http://de.youtube. com/watch? v=IaE3EaQte78&feature=related <http://de.youtube. com/watch? v=IaE3EaQte78&amp;feature= related>

        Optime valete
        Titus Flavius Aquila



         
         
              
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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60433 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-01-09
        Subject: Job offer - scribe position
        Cn. Iulius Caesar Sex. Postumio Albo sal.

        I know you recently ended your term as Diribitor, but I, as one of the
        Curule Aediles, am going to try to tempt you to take a position as
        scribe in the office of the Curule Aediles :)

        The five main areas of responsibility, the Games, the Macellum, the
        Aedilician Fund, the Nth. American Conventus and the Magna Mater
        Project require a dynamic team and some sound planning. I am
        structuring it so the work won't fall on any individuals shoulders and
        the emphasis will be on coordinated team work.

        Therefore would you be willing to accept a position of scriba?

        Optime vale.
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60434 From: Gaius Marcius Crispus Date: 2009-01-09
        Subject: That's why I like Monty Python so much
        Salvete omnes

        M. Valeria Messalona scripsit:-

        Oh there is a movie? Didn't know that. I thought it was a tv show. Well I only saw the video clip Aquila posted.

        Monty Python was originally a British TV series called Monty Python's Flying Circus. These were a collection of short comic sketches presented as half-hour weekly shows.

        The Monty Python team were Oxford University graduates who started in the "Footlights" group of actors at the university.The main players were John Cleese, Graham Chapman, Terry Gilliam, Eric Idle, Terry Jones and Michael Palin.

        They have made several films, including Life of Brian, The Meaning of Life, and Monty Python and the Holy Grail, that are all worth watching. You should be able to get them from Amazon and other outlets.

        Life of Brian is one of my favourite films, and features Brian Cohen as a reluctant Messiah facing exasperated Romans trying to impose some sort of order on an absurd and hilarious Judea.

        John Cleese went on to make Fawlty Towers, a series of hilarious half-hour shows about a bizarre hotel owner and his various staff and guests, a unique brand of craziness. He has done other film work.

        Michael Palin has made a whole lot of travel films , presenting views of fascinating places around the world.

        Many phrases from their work have become much-quoted here in Britannia, including the song "Lets all look on the bright side of life" (as sung by the victims of the Crucifixion) from Life of Brian. It is often heard at times when life is particularly difficult, for example in the current economic downturn.

        Valete optime

        C Marcius Crispus








        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60435 From: Q. Valerius Poplicola Date: 2009-01-09
        Subject: Re: Job offer - scribe position
        You sent this to the ML! LOL boy do we ever make mistakes, eh?

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
        <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
        >
        > Cn. Iulius Caesar Sex. Postumio Albo sal.
        >
        > I know you recently ended your term as Diribitor, but I, as one of the
        > Curule Aediles, am going to try to tempt you to take a position as
        > scribe in the office of the Curule Aediles :)
        >
        > The five main areas of responsibility, the Games, the Macellum, the
        > Aedilician Fund, the Nth. American Conventus and the Magna Mater
        > Project require a dynamic team and some sound planning. I am
        > structuring it so the work won't fall on any individuals shoulders and
        > the emphasis will be on coordinated team work.
        >
        > Therefore would you be willing to accept a position of scriba?
        >
        > Optime vale.
        >
        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60436 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-01-09
        Subject: Re: Job offer - scribe position
        Salve amice.
         
        At least it wasn't a plan to arraign someone for trial <lol>
         
        Vale bene
        Caesar

        Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:02 PM
        Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Job offer - scribe position

        You sent this to the ML! LOL boy do we ever make mistakes, eh?

        --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
        <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
        >
        > Cn. Iulius
        Caesar Sex. Postumio Albo sal.
        >
        > I know you recently ended your
        term as Diribitor, but I, as one of the
        > Curule Aediles, am going to try
        to tempt you to take a position as
        > scribe in the office of the Curule
        Aediles :)
        >
        > The five main areas of responsibility, the Games,
        the Macellum, the
        > Aedilician Fund, the Nth. American Conventus and the
        Magna Mater
        > Project require a dynamic team and some sound planning. I
        am
        > structuring it so the work won't fall on any individuals shoulders
        and
        > the emphasis will be on coordinated team work.
        >
        >
        Therefore would you be willing to accept a position of scriba?
        >
        >
        Optime vale.
        >



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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60437 From: Bruno Cantermi Date: 2009-01-09
        Subject: Re: Job offer - scribe position
        Salve Caesar!
         
        I'm appointing myself to the offered position of scriba! I'm fluent in English, Portuguese and Spanish! I've been inactive for ages! that could be a Great Opportunity to save myself from the hole of inactivity I'm in! please! I'm needing!
         
        Vale,
         
        LVSITANVS.SPD.
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:24 PM
        Subject: [Nova-Roma] Job offer - scribe position

        Cn. Iulius Caesar Sex. Postumio Albo sal.

        I know you recently ended your term as Diribitor, but I, as one of the
        Curule Aediles, am going to try to tempt you to take a position as
        scribe in the office of the Curule Aediles :)

        The five main areas of responsibility, the Games, the Macellum, the
        Aedilician Fund, the Nth. American Conventus and the Magna Mater
        Project require a dynamic team and some sound planning. I am
        structuring it so the work won't fall on any individuals shoulders and
        the emphasis will be on coordinated team work.

        Therefore would you be willing to accept a position of scriba?

        Optime vale.



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        Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60438 From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Date: 2009-01-09
        Subject: Re: Job offer - scribe position
        Attachments :
          Salve Lusitane.
           
          Well we can't have you stuck in a hole can we? Smile emoticon I'll write to you directly!
           
          Vale bene
          Caesar

          Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:30 PM
          Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Job offer - scribe position

          Salve Caesar!
           
          I'm appointing myself to the offered position of scriba! I'm fluent in English, Portuguese and Spanish! I've been inactive for ages! that could be a Great Opportunity to save myself from the hole of inactivity I'm in! please! I'm needing!
           
          Vale,
           
          LVSITANVS.SPD.
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:24 PM
          Subject: [Nova-Roma] Job offer - scribe position

          Cn. Iulius Caesar Sex. Postumio Albo sal.

          I know you recently ended your term as Diribitor, but I, as one of the
          Curule Aediles, am going to try to tempt you to take a position as
          scribe in the office of the Curule Aediles :)

          The five main areas of responsibility, the Games, the Macellum, the
          Aedilician Fund, the Nth. American Conventus and the Magna Mater
          Project require a dynamic team and some sound planning. I am
          structuring it so the work won't fall on any individuals shoulders and
          the emphasis will be on coordinated team work.

          Therefore would you be willing to accept a position of scriba?

          Optime vale.



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          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60439 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-09
          Subject: Nova Roman Ring
          Salvete Nova Romans
           
          Just a reminder that you can buy a very nice ring to commemorate your citizenship and love
          of all things Roman.
           
          http://www.carrollcollection.com/SPQR_Ring.htm
           
          I wear mine everywhere!!!
           
          Valete
           
          Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

           
          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60440 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2009-01-09
          Subject: Simple Roman calendar by e-mail, 1/10/2009, 12:00 am
          Reminder from:   Nova-Roma Yahoo! Group
           
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          Time:   All Day
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          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60441 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2009-01-09
          Subject: Re: Nova Roman Ring
          Salve,

          It looks pretty awesome. Too bad I can't afford it.
          Vale
          - Annia Minucia Marcella
          
          http://minucia.ciarin.com


          Gallagher wrote:

          Salvete Nova Romans
           
          Just a reminder that you can buy a very nice ring to commemorate your citizenship and love
          of all things Roman.
           
          http://www.carrollc ollection. com/SPQR_ Ring.htm
           
          I wear mine everywhere!! !
           
          Valete
           
          Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

           

          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60442 From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Date: 2009-01-09
          Subject: (no subject)
          Q Caecilius Metellus Omnibus salutem dicit.

          Of course, our honoured Curule Aedile isn't the only one on the
          hunt for a good scribe or two. This aedile of the plebs is also
          looking for a few good plebeians to help keep things running.
          So if there happen to be any daring plebeians out there looking
          to help with the business of the Plebeian Aedileship, feel free
          to drop me a line (*privately*), and I'll put you to good use!
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          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60443 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-09
          Subject: NR FLag Color
          Salvete 
           
          Using a pantone color chart what is the exact color
          RED and GOLD of the Nova Roman flag.
           
          Valete
           
          Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
           
           
           

          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60444 From: Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2009-01-09
          Subject: Re: NR FLag Color
          Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus s.p.d.

              On the SVG file that is available on the website, the red is:

          CMYK 0, 100, 100, 29
          RGB 181, 0 , 0
          HTML #B50000
          Pantone "485 2X" is pretty close.

          The gold is:

          CMYK 0, 28, 85, 11
          RGB 227, 164, 35
          HTML #E3A423
          Pantone "124" is very close.
           
              I hope that helps. What are you making? :-)

          --
          Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
          http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com



          From: Gallagher <spqr753@...>
          To: Nova-Roma <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 9:32:25 PM
          Subject: [Nova-Roma] NR FLag Color

          Salvete 
           
          Using a pantone color chart what is the exact color
          RED and GOLD of the Nova Roman flag.
           
          Valete
           
          Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
           
           
           


          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60445 From: Gallagher Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: Re: NR FLag Color
          Salve Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
           
          Thanks. I needed this for the new Nova Roman flags.
           
          Vale
           
          Tiberius Galerius Paulinus




          To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
          From: cn.caelius@...
          Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:40:14 -0800
          Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] NR FLag Color


          Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus s.p.d.

              On the SVG file that is available on the website, the red is:

          CMYK 0, 100, 100, 29
          RGB 181, 0 , 0
          HTML #B50000
          Pantone "485 2X" is pretty close.

          The gold is:

          CMYK 0, 28, 85, 11
          RGB 227, 164, 35
          HTML #E3A423
          Pantone "124" is very close.
           
              I hope that helps. What are you making? :-)

          --
          Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
          http://becomingnewt hroughtheold. blogspot. com



          From: Gallagher <spqr753@msn. com>
          To: Nova-Roma <nova-roma@yahoogrou ps.com>
          Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 9:32:25 PM
          Subject: [Nova-Roma] NR FLag Color

          Salvete 
           
          Using a pantone color chart what is the exact color
          RED and GOLD of the Nova Roman flag.
           
          Valete
           
          Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
           
           
           




          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60446 From: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: Obituary: Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
          FROM THE CENSORIAL OFFICE

          Cn. Lentulus scriba censorius, pontifex, Quiritibus s. p. d.


          It is my sad duty to inform you, Quirites, that our fellow citizen

          Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia

          of Provincia Britannia, passed away. We offer our condolences to her friends and family. We keep her memory with us.


          Rest in peace!

          D. M.

          Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
          P O N T I F E X
          SCRIBA CENSORIUS
          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60447 From: marcushoratius Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: a. d. IIII Eidus Ianuarias: "Alea iacta est"
          M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
          plurimam dicit: Diis bene iuvantibus simus.

          Hodie est ante diem IIII Eidus Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est:

          "The following dawn marks the mid-point of winter, and what remains
          will equal what has gone." ~ P. Ovidius Naso, Fasti 1.459-460

          Prelude to Civil War

          "It was said, indeed, that one of Caesar's centurions who had come
          back to Rome and was standing near the senate-house, when he heard
          that the senate would not give Caesar a prolongation of his term of
          office, struck his hand upon his sword: "But this will give it." And
          Caesar's intrigues and preparations had this purpose. And yet the
          requests and demands which Curio made in behalf of Caesar seemed to
          be very popular in their character. For he demanded one of two
          things: either that Pompey also should be required to give up his
          soldiery, or else that Caesar's should not be taken away from him;
          for whether they became private persons on just and equal terms, or
          remained a match for each other with their present forces, they would
          make no disturbance; but he who weakened one of them doubled the
          power of which he stood in fear. To this Marcellus the consul replied
          by calling Caesar a robber, and urging that he be voted a public
          enemy unless he should lay down his arms.

          "But when Pompey began to levy recruits, some refused to obey the
          summons, and a few came together reluctantly and without zest, but
          the greater part cried out for a settlement of the controversy. For
          Antony, in defiance of the senate, had read before the people a
          letter of Caesar containing propositions which were attractive to the
          multitude. He asked, namely, that both Pompey and he should give up
          their provinces, disband their armies, put themselves in the hands of
          the people, and render an account of what they had done. 3 But
          Lentulus, who was by this time consul, would not call the senate
          together; Cicero, however, who was just returned from Cilicia, tried
          to effect a settlement of the dispute on these terms, namely, that
          Caesar should renounce Gaul and dismiss the rest of his forces, but
          should retain two legions and Illyricum, and wait for his second
          consulship. 4 And when Pompey was dissatisfied with this, the friends
          of Caesar conceded that he should dismiss one of the two legions; but
          since Lentulus still opposed, and Cato cried out that Pompey was
          blundering again in allowing himself to be deceived, the settlement
          came to naught." ~ Plutarch, Life of Pompeius Magnus %8.2-4; 59.2-4


          AUC 704 / 49 BCE: Alea iacta est, Caesar crosses the Rubicon

          "Being assured of the good will of the soldiers, he marched with that
          legion to Rimini, where he was met by the tribunes of the people, who
          had fled to him for protection He ordered the other legions to quit
          their winter quarters, and follow him with all expedition." ~ C.
          Iulius Caesar, De Bello Civilis 1.7

          "The long and short of it is that Caesar himself, once our friend,
          has sent the Senate a menacing and offensive dispatch, and is so
          insolent as to retain his army and province in spite of the Senate,
          and my old friend Curio is backing him up. Furthermore, our friend
          Antonius and Q. Cassius, having been expelled from the house, though
          without any violence, left town with Curio to join Caesar, directly
          the Senate had passed the decree (7 Jan.)ordering 'consuls, praetors,
          tribunes, and us proconsuls to see that the Republic received no
          damage.' Never has the state been in greater danger: never have
          disloyal citizens had a better prepared leader. On the whole,
          however, preparations are being pushed on with very great activity on
          our side also. This is being done by the influence and energy of our
          friend Pompey, who now, when it is too late, begins to fear Caesar."
          ~ M. Tullius Cicero, Epistulae F. 16.11, To Tiro 12 January 49 BCE

          "It was, by no means, a fair proposal, that Caesar should be obliged
          to quit Rimini and return to Gaul, while Pompey held provinces and
          legions that were none of his: that he should dismiss his army,
          whilst the other was levying troops: and, that only a general promise
          of going into Spain should be given, without fixing a day for his
          departure; by which evasion, was he to be found in Italy, even at the
          expiration of Caesar's consulship, he could not yet be charged with
          breach of faith. His forbearing too to appoint a time for a
          conference, and declining to approach nearer, gave little reason to
          hope for a peace. He therefore sent Antony to Arretium, with five
          cohorts; remained himself at Rimini, with two, where he resolved to
          levy troops; and seizing Pisaurum, Fanum, and Ancona, left a cohort
          in each for a garrison." ~ C. Iulius Caesar, De Bello Civili 1.10

          "[Caesar] himself spent the day in public, attending and watching the
          exercises of gladiators; but a little before evening he bathed and
          dressed and went into the banqueting hall. Here he held brief
          converse with those who had been invited to supper, and just as it
          was getting dark and went away, after addressing courteously most of
          his guests and bidding them await his return. To a few of his
          friends, however, he had previously given directions to follow him,
          not all by the same route, but some by one way and some by another.
          He himself got into one of the hired carriages, and drove at first
          another way, but presently turned towards Ariminium. When he came to
          the river Rubicon, which parts Gaul within the Alps from the rest of
          Italy, his thoughts began to work, now he was just entering upon the
          danger, and he wavered much in his mind when he considered the
          greatness of the enterprise into which he was throwing himself, and
          often changed his opinion one way and the other, without speaking a
          word. This was when his purposes fluctuated most; presently he also
          discussed the matter with his friends who were about him (of which
          number Asinius Pollio [the historian] was one), computing how many
          calamities his passing that river would bring upon mankind, and what
          a relation of it would be transmitted to posterity. At last, in a
          sort of passion, casting aside calculation, and abandoning himself to
          what might come, and using the proverb frequently in their mouths who
          enter upon dangerous and bold attempts, "The die is cast," with these
          words he took the river. Once over, he used all expedition possible,
          and before it was day reached Ariminium and took it." ~ Plutarch,
          Life of Caesar 32.4-9

          "And now word was brought that Caesar had seized Ariminum, a large
          city of Italy, and was marching directly upon Rome with all his
          forces. But this was false. For he was marching with no more than
          three hundred horsemen and five thousand men-at arms; the rest of his
          forces were beyond the Alps, and he did not wait for them, since he
          wished to fall upon his enemies suddenly, when they were in confusion
          and did not expect him, rather than to give them time and fight them
          after they were prepared. And so, when he was come to the river
          Rubicon, which was the boundary of the province allotted to him, he
          stood in silence and delayed to cross, reasoning with himself, of
          course, upon the magnitude of his adventure. Then, like one who casts
          himself from a precipice into a yawning abyss, he closed the eyes of
          reason and put a veil between them and his peril, and calling out in
          Greek to the bystanders these words only, 'Let the die be cast,' he
          set his army across." ~ Plutarch, Life of Pompeius Magnus 60.1-2


          Today's thought is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 45:

          "The study of nature does not create men who are fond of boasting and
          chattering or who show off the culture that impresses the many, but
          rather men who are strong and self-sufficient, and who take pride in
          their own personal qualities not in those that depend on external
          circumstances."
          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60448 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: Re: Obituary: Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
          Familiae Semproniae Gracchae s.d.


          All our thoughts, from Gallia, go to Sempronia Graccha's memory and
          to her family and relatives, especially in provincia Britannia.


          Valete,


          P. Memmius Albucius
          leg. pp. Galliae



          --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
          <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
          >
          > FROM THE CENSORIAL OFFICE
          >
          > Cn. Lentulus scriba censorius, pontifex, Quiritibus s. p. d.
          >
          >
          > It is my sad duty to inform you, Quirites, that our fellow citizen
          >
          > Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
          >
          > of Provincia Britannia, passed away. We offer our condolences to
          her friends and family. We keep her memory with us.
          >
          >
          > Rest in peace!
          >
          > D. M.
          >
          > Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
          > P O N T I F E X
          > SCRIBA CENSORIUS
          >
          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60449 From: Jim Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: Re: Obituary: Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
          --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cn. Cornelius Lentulus"
          <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
          >
          > FROM THE CENSORIAL OFFICE
          >
          > Cn. Lentulus scriba censorius, pontifex, Quiritibus s. p. d.
          >
          >
          > It is my sad duty to inform you, Quirites, that our fellow citizen
          >
          > Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
          >
          > of Provincia Britannia, passed away. We offer our condolences to
          her friends and family. We keep her memory with us.
          >
          >
          > Rest in peace!
          >
          > D. M.
          >
          > Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
          > P O N T I F E X
          > SCRIBA CENSORIUS
          >
          Salve,
          Our nation can never be so large that the loss of one citizen can
          pass without notice. May the Gods welcome her into their presense,
          and grant her peace.
          Vale,
          Gaius Pompeius Marcellus
          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60450 From: Titus Flavius Aquila Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: AW: [Nova-Roma] NR FLag Color
          Salve Paulinus,Censor
           
          if you would kindly let me know the different sizes you will offer and the referring LOGO. Will we have flags with NOVA ROMA
          and/or SPQR and in which colors ?
           
          These flags will be perfect in promoting our Republic Nova Roma worldwide at Roman events.I plan for my provincia Germania the
          first official participation in a big Roman event - Ludi Circenses in Raetia - in August 2762 A.U.C. , last year 10000 people came to watch the
          Ludi Circenses.
           
          I have already received several questions from citizens in my provincia about the possibility of buying flags.
           
          Last but not least, the selling of the flags will generate income for our res publica, which could be used for various projets, like the Land fund or the Temple for the Gods in Rome project.
           
          By the by, I always had thought that more promoting would do Nova Roma good, like selling T-Shirts with the Logo Nova Roma and SPQR, caps etc.
           
          After all we need to attract - and retain -more citizens and we need to grow.
            
          Optime vale
          Legatus Pro Praetore Provincia Germania
          Quaestor Nova Roma
          Scriba Censoris TGPetGPL
          Collegium sodalitas proDIIS A Temple for the Gods in Rome project
           

          Von: Gallagher <spqr753@...>
          An: Nova-Roma <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
          Gesendet: Samstag, den 10. Januar 2009, 06:06:22 Uhr
          Betreff: RE: [Nova-Roma] NR FLag Color

          Salve Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
           
          Thanks. I needed this for the new Nova Roman flags.
           
          Vale
           
          Tiberius Galerius Paulinus




          To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
          From: cn.caelius@yahoo. com
          Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:40:14 -0800
          Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] NR FLag Color


          Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus s.p.d.

              On the SVG file that is available on the website, the red is:

          CMYK 0, 100, 100, 29
          RGB 181, 0 , 0
          HTML #B50000
          Pantone "485 2X" is pretty close.

          The gold is:

          CMYK 0, 28, 85, 11
          RGB 227, 164, 35
          HTML #E3A423
          Pantone "124" is very close.
           
              I hope that helps. What are you making? :-)

          --
          Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
          http://becomingnewt hroughtheold. blogspot. com



          From: Gallagher <spqr753@msn. com>
          To: Nova-Roma <nova-roma@yahoogrou ps.com>
          Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 9:32:25 PM
          Subject: [Nova-Roma] NR FLag Color

          Salvete 
           
          Using a pantone color chart what is the exact color
          RED and GOLD of the Nova Roman flag.
           
          Valete
           
          Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
           
           
           





          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60451 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: Edictum Praetoribus 2762-01
          Edictum Praetoribus 2762-01

          In accordance with the authority granted us by the Constitution of
          Nova Roma, we hereby create a joint Praetorian Cohort for the year
          2762 a.u.c. This Praetorian Cohort shall consist of both Praetorian
          Quaestors and the Praetorian Scribes. The Praetorian Cohort shall
          carry out such actions as the Praetors may direct to accomplish the
          legally mandated duties of the Praetura.

          The Praetorian Quaestors are G. Petronius Dexter and M. Valerius Potitus.

          The initial group of Praetorian scribes includes A. Tullia Scholastica
          Praetoria, G. Fulvius Severus, G. Marcius Crispus, G. Terrentius
          Varro, and L. Iulia Aquila.

          Datum sub manibus nostris
          Pasadenae, Terra Maria, Mediatlanticae, et Cadomagi Galliae,
          a.d. IV Idus Ian. MMDCCLXII a.u.c. (10 Ian. 2009 c.c.)
          M. Curiatius Complutensis M. Iulius Severus coss.

          CN-EQVIT-MARINVS--PUB-MEMM-ALBUCIVS
          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60452 From: Publius Memmius Albucius Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: Edictum Memmium PR 62-02 on the org. of the tasks inside the praet.
          P. MEMMIUS ALBUCIUS praetor edict nb PR 62-02 concerning the
          organization of the tasks inside the praetorian cohors for 2762
          a.u.c. (de ordine operarum in cohorte praetoriana pro MMDCCLXII
          a.u.c.)


          I, Publius Memmius Albucius, praetor, by the authority vested by the
          constitution, the laws and
          the Senate of Nova Roma, and in view of the existing rules ;

          In view of the edictum PR 62-01 that my collega Gn. Equitius Marinus
          and I have jointly issued this day on the constitution of a joint
          praetorian team for 2762 auc ;

          edict :


          Article 1

          The quaestor assigned to Praetor Memmius and the scribes who are, by
          the present edict, appointed by him are placed, as long as he does
          not denounce the joint edictum above-mentioned, at the disposal of
          the praetorian joint team.


          Article 2

          The officers evoked in the article 1 are the following ones :

          Quaestor M. Valerius Potitus

          Scribe A. Tullia Scholastica praetoria

          Scribe Gaius Marcius Crispus

          Scribe Cn. Cornelius Lentulus.



          Article 3

          The officers mentioned in the article 2 are given the following tasks:

          Quaestor Marcus Valerius Potitus:

          - moderation of the fora placed under praetorian authority:
          coordination on the time zones UTC -12 to UTC -2 included and UTC
          +9:30 to UTC +14 included, in relation with the concerned officers
          assigned to or appointed by praetor Marinus ;

          coordination of the maintenance and development of the praetorian
          internet (wiki and other possible type) pages:

          if necessary, assistance to the praetors in the judicial fields,
          according rules to be defined later.


          Scribes:

          A. Tullia Scholastica praetoria: in relation with the concerned
          officers assigned to or appointed by praetor Marinus,

          coordination of the translation tasks concerning the praetorship
          field;

          translation in Latin of the praetorian acts and of other acts of the
          Tabularium, and translation watch.


          Non pro-magisterial scribes:

          Gaius Marcius Crispus:

          - moderation of the fora on the time zones UTC -1 to UTC +1;

          coordination of the moderation of the fora on the time zones UTC -1
          to UTC +9;

          coordination of the Ludi Apollinares.


          Cn. Cornelius Lentulus:

          moderation of the fora on the time zones UTC + 2 to UTC +9;

          translation in Latin of the praetorian acts and of other acts of the
          Tabularium

          praetorian web pages watch and development.


          Other tasks may be if necessary, assigned to the above quaestor and
          scribes.

          No other task will be made without previous authorization of praetor
          Memmius.



          Article 4

          In accordance with Nova Roma laws, the above mentioned citizens are,
          apart quaestor Valerius, appointed as scribes (scriba praetorius/-a)
          for 2762
          auc, with all the rights and obligations linked to such an office. As
          such, they are not required to pronounce any oath.

          From the publication of the present edict on, every non quaestor
          member of the Cohors is free to leave it at any time for any personal
          reason, or because of the team organization, because of the changes
          occurred in its working lines or methods, which would not fit anymore
          the conditions of the member's individual participation. A short
          information of such a decision, at worst the day before, is just
          asked by praetor Memmius.

          Article 5

          Praetors Memmius keeps, with his colleague Equitius, a direct
          relation with the other powers of Nova Roma.

          He remains therefore responsible towards the People and the Senate of
          his duties, whatever they are performed directly by them or by one of
          the praetorian scribes, acting in the frame of the present edictum.


          Article 6

          Every novaroman public officer and her/his departement must, as far
          as they are concerned, enforce the present edict, which will be
          published in the Tabularium Novae Romae and in Nova Roma relevant
          internet 'discussion' lists, as well as notified to every concerned
          member of the Cohors praetoriana.



          Issued in Cadomagus, Gallia, a.d. IV Idus Ian. MMDCCLXII a.u.c. (10th
          January 2009 c.c.) during the consulate of M. Curiatius Complutensis
          and M. Iulius Severus.



          PMA Praetor
          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60453 From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: Re: Obituary: Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
          Avete;

          On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 4:52 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus wrote:
          > FROM THE CENSORIAL OFFICE
          >
          > Cn. Lentulus scriba censorius, pontifex, Quiritibus s. p. d.
          >
          > It is my sad duty to inform you, Quirites, that our fellow citizen
          >
          > Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
          >
          > of Provincia Britannia, passed away. We offer our condolences to her friends
          > and family. We keep her memory with us.
          >

          Vale Placida; may you journey to That Which Is Holy and find peaceful rest!

          Venator
          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60454 From: Lucia Livia Plauta Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: Re: Nova Roman Ring
          --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...>
          wrote:
          >
          Salve Minucia,
          how much could you afford to pay for such a ring?

          I don't have anything like that for sale at the moment, but I have
          bronze and brass reproductions of original legionary signet rings,
          one with an eagle, and one with a pegasus. Unfortunately the photos
          are on my home computer 1100 kms away from where I am now, but I
          might be able to dig them out of my Gmail account if anyone's
          interested. The inside diametre is 2 cms for the pegasus, and 19 mm
          for the eagle one.
          I sell the brass reproductions for 10 euros, and the bronze ones for
          15.
          When I go back to Budapest in february I can have some made in
          silver, if anyone is interested. The rings are heavy, but the final
          sale price should still be well under 50 dollars.

          Optime vale,
          Livia

          > Salve,
          >
          > It looks pretty awesome. Too bad I can't afford it.
          >
          > Vale
          > - Annia Minucia Marcella
          >
          > http://minucia.ciarin.com
          >
          >
          >
          > Gallagher wrote:
          > >
          > > Salvete Nova Romans
          > >
          > > Just a reminder that you can buy a very nice ring to commemorate
          your
          > > citizenship and love
          > > of all things Roman.
          > >
          > > http://www.carrollcollection.com/SPQR_Ring.htm
          > > <http://www.carrollcollection.com/SPQR_Ring.htm>
          > >
          > > I wear mine everywhere!!!
          > >
          > > Valete
          > >
          > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60455 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: Re: Nova Roman Ring
          Salve,

          I'm out of work at the moment. But when I was working I probably could've afforded no more than $75. If I get this new job I'm hoping for, I'd be able to afford your rings no doubt.
          Vale
          - Annia Minucia Marcella
          
          http://minucia.ciarin.com


          Lucia Livia Plauta wrote:

          --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@...>
          wrote:
          >
          Salve Minucia,
          how much could you afford to pay for such a ring?

          I don't have anything like that for sale at the moment, but I have
          bronze and brass reproductions of original legionary signet rings,
          one with an eagle, and one with a pegasus. Unfortunately the photos
          are on my home computer 1100 kms away from where I am now, but I
          might be able to dig them out of my Gmail account if anyone's
          interested. The inside diametre is 2 cms for the pegasus, and 19 mm
          for the eagle one.
          I sell the brass reproductions for 10 euros, and the bronze ones for
          15.
          When I go back to Budapest in february I can have some made in
          silver, if anyone is interested. The rings are heavy, but the final
          sale price should still be well under 50 dollars.

          Optime vale,
          Livia

          > Salve,
          >
          > It looks pretty awesome. Too bad I can't afford it.
          >
          > Vale
          > - Annia Minucia Marcella
          >
          > http://minucia. ciarin.com
          >
          >
          >
          > Gallagher wrote:
          > >
          > > Salvete Nova Romans
          > >
          > > Just a reminder that you can buy a very nice ring to commemorate
          your
          > > citizenship and love
          > > of all things Roman.
          > >
          > > http://www.carrollc ollection. com/SPQR_ Ring.htm
          > > <http://www.carrollc ollection. com/SPQR_ Ring.htm>
          > >
          > > I wear mine everywhere!! !
          > >
          > > Valete
          > >
          > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >

          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60456 From: Annia Minucia Marcella Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: Roman Calendar
          Salvete Omnes!

          Is there a way to have our Roman Calendar for this year to be put in
          .ics format? It would definitely help me out a lot because manually
          inputting all the days would be quite time-consuming and tedious.

          --
          Valete
          - Annia Minucia Marcella

          http://minucia.ciarin.com
          Group: Nova-Roma Message: 60457 From: nimrodconjuror Date: 2009-01-10
          Subject: Re: Nova Roman Ring
          --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
          >
          > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@>
          > wrote:
          > >
          > Salve Minucia,
          > how much could you afford to pay for such a ring?
          >
          > I don't have anything like that for sale at the moment, but I have
          > bronze and brass reproductions of original legionary signet rings,
          > one with an eagle, and one with a pegasus. Unfortunately the photos
          > are on my home computer 1100 kms away from where I am now, but I
          > might be able to dig them out of my Gmail account if anyone's
          > interested. The inside diametre is 2 cms for the pegasus, and 19 mm
          > for the eagle one.
          > I sell the brass reproductions for 10 euros, and the bronze ones for
          > 15.
          > When I go back to Budapest in february I can have some made in
          > silver, if anyone is interested. The rings are heavy, but the final
          > sale price should still be well under 50 dollars.
          >
          > Optime vale,
          > Livia
          >
          > > Salve,
          > >
          > > It looks pretty awesome. Too bad I can't afford it.
          > >
          > > Vale
          > > - Annia Minucia Marcella
          > >
          > > http://minucia.ciarin.com
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Gallagher wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Salvete Nova Romans
          > > >
          > > > Just a reminder that you can buy a very nice ring to commemorate
          > your
          > > > citizenship and love
          > > > of all things Roman.
          > > >
          > > > http://www.carrollcollection.com/SPQR_Ring.htm
          > > > <http://www.carrollcollection.com/SPQR_Ring.htm>
          > > >
          > > > I wear mine everywhere!!!
          > > >
          > > > Valete
          > > >
          > > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > >
          >

          Salve Livae,

          How would one go about ordering one of the brass or bronze legionary
          signet rings you mention? Are they available for sale online, or are
          they custom made?

          Optime Vale

          Lucius Aquillius Albinus