--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:

>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@>
> wrote:
> >
> Salve Minucia,
> how much could you afford to pay for such a ring?
>
> I don't have anything like that for sale at the moment, but I have
> bronze and brass reproductions of original legionary signet rings,
> one with an eagle, and one with a pegasus. Unfortunately the photos
> are on my home computer 1100 kms away from where I am now, but I
> might be able to dig them out of my Gmail account if anyone's
> interested. The inside diametre is 2 cms for the pegasus, and 19 mm
> for the eagle one.
> I sell the brass reproductions for 10 euros, and the bronze ones for
> 15.
> When I go back to Budapest in february I can have some made in
> silver, if anyone is interested. The rings are heavy, but the final
> sale price should still be well under 50 dollars.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia
>
> > Salve,
> >
> > It looks pretty awesome. Too bad I can't afford it.
> >
> > Vale
> > - Annia Minucia Marcella
> >
> > http://minucia.ciarin.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Gallagher wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete Nova Romans
> > >
> > > Just a reminder that you can buy a very nice ring to commemorate
> your
> > > citizenship and love
> > > of all things Roman.
> > >
> > > http://www.carrollcollection.com/SPQR_Ring.htm
> > > <http://www.carrollcollection.com/SPQR_Ring.htm>
> > >
> > > I wear mine everywhere!!!
> > >
> > > Valete
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Salve Livae,

How would one go about ordering one of the brass or bronze legionary
signet rings you mention? Are they available for sale online, or are
they custom made?

Optime Vale

Lucius Aquillius Albinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Salvete Nova Romans
>
> Just a reminder that you can buy a very nice ring to commemorate

your citizenship and love

> of all things Roman.
>
> http://www.carrollcollection.com/SPQR_Ring.htm
>
> I wear mine everywhere!!!
>
> Valete
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>

I do the same with mine. It is a really beautiful ring and very well
made. If there is enough interest, why not see if there is the
possibility to get a discount on a bulk purchase? A buying group could
be set up.


MLA

Salve Plauta,
I would be very interested in your rings. Please contact me off line with any pictures you
have when you get the change.

Gratias

Vale

Barbatus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Livia Plauta" <cases@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Annia Minucia Marcella <annia@>
> wrote:
> >
> Salve Minucia,
> how much could you afford to pay for such a ring?
>
> I don't have anything like that for sale at the moment, but I have
> bronze and brass reproductions of original legionary signet rings,
> one with an eagle, and one with a pegasus. Unfortunately the photos
> are on my home computer 1100 kms away from where I am now, but I
> might be able to dig them out of my Gmail account if anyone's
> interested. The inside diametre is 2 cms for the pegasus, and 19 mm
> for the eagle one.
> I sell the brass reproductions for 10 euros, and the bronze ones for
> 15.
> When I go back to Budapest in february I can have some made in
> silver, if anyone is interested. The rings are heavy, but the final
> sale price should still be well under 50 dollars.
>
> Optime vale,
> Livia

Avete Omnes;

My wife Annia Uleria and I are considering a change of names to better
reflect proper Roman Usage.

I have been having private discussions with some folk of my
acquaintance about this.

Looking at the information gained, a name struck A Ulleria's fancy as
being more properly Roman, in light of the advice we've received:

Mania Annia Megas Machinatrix (Praenomen being the feminine of Manius,
Nomen being the feminine of Annius, Cognomen being the Romanized Greek
of her actual family name [Megas] and Machinatrix coming from her
education and experience as an engineer).

For myself, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator...preserving much of my
current name, with a proper Roman praenomen.

Piperbarbatus (Piperbarbus) going away because, frankly, my beard is
so much more salt than pepper these days ,-)

If we do decide to change, the request goes to the Censors?

=========================================
In amicitia et fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbatus
Senator et Lictor
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Patrician, Paterfamilias
Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://www.myspace.com/venator_poetus
http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

 A. Tullia Scholastica Stephano Ullerio Venatori quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.

Avete Omnes;

My wife Annia Uleria and I are considering a change of names to better
reflect proper Roman Usage.

    ATS:  I had gotten wind of something of this sort.  I congratulate you on your efforts in this direction.  

I have been having private discussions with some folk of my
acquaintance about this.

Looking at the information gained, a name struck A Ulleria's fancy as
being more properly Roman, in light of the advice we've received:

Mania Annia Megas Machinatrix (Praenomen being the feminine of Manius,
Nomen being the feminine of Annius, Cognomen being the Romanized Greek
of her actual family name [Megas] and Machinatrix coming from her
education and experience as an engineer).

    ATS:  We do try to stick with three rather than four names as a rule, but some have taken two cognomina/cognomen+ agnomen.  To my ears, this one does not have a good ring; Mania and Annia sound too sing-song for the Roman ear.  Even Mania and Annaea would likely strike the Roman ear better, for the medial vocalization was different.  

For myself, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator...preserving much of my
current name, with a proper Roman praenomen.

    ATS:  This sounds good to me, though typical practice would be to choose either Stephanus or Venator.  Almost certainly this can be accommodated as is, however.

Piperbarbatus (Piperbarbus) going away because, frankly, my beard is
so much more salt than pepper these days ,-)

    ATS:  And piper can also be red...though the Romans may not have known about those.  They may have known about white pepper, however.  You’re the expert on Roman dining...inasmuch as there is a Latin word for pepper, I assume they did know about at least one variety thereof.    

If we do decide to change, the request goes to the Censors?

    ATS:  Yes, and the rogatores can forward these, too.  I think all concerned parties are on this list.  

=========================================
In amicitia et fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbatus
Senator et Lictor
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Patrician, Paterfamilias
Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://www.myspace.com/venator_poetus
http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange


Vale, et valete.  

A. Tullia Scholastica Cn.  Cornelio Lentulo quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

FROM THE CENSORIAL OFFICE

Cn. Lentulus scriba censorius, pontifex, Quiritibus s. p. d.

It is my sad duty to inform you, Quirites, that our fellow citizen

Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia

of Provincia Britannia, passed away. We offer our condolences to her friends and family. We keep her memory with us.

Rest in peace!

D. M.

    ATS:  I was sorry to learn (a bit earlier) of Placidia’s passing, though it was not entirely unexpected from what I had known about her some time ago.  She was with me in the original run of Avitus’ Assimil class, later to be known as Sermo Latinus (combined), but left due to incompatibilities with our difficult instructor.  I had had some personal correspondence with her, and knew she was seriously ill.   One can hope to overcome even the worst nature can bring, but it was not to be.      

    My sincere condolences to her family and friends.  STTL, et requiescas in pace, Placidia, fautrix linguae Latinae.  

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
P O N T I F E X
SCRIBA CENSORIUS

 Vale, et valete.  
      
   Messages in this topic           <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/60446

C. Petronius A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.,

> > ATS: I was sorry to learn (a bit earlier) of Placidia¹s

passing, though

> > it was not entirely unexpected from what I had known about her

some time ago.

> > She was with me in the original run of Avitus¹ Assimil class,

later to be

> > known as Sermo Latinus (combined), but left due to

incompatibilities with our

> > difficult instructor. I had had some personal correspondence

with her, and

> > knew she was seriously ill. One can hope to overcome even the

worst nature

> > can bring, but it was not to be.

Perhaps my idea is not good, but because we have a civium album, I
wonder if we can have on our website a place for our civis which pass
into a current year, with our public prayers and the testimony as you
do above on Placidia?

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter

Lentulus Tulliae et Venatori sal. Venator: >>> My wife Annia Uleria and I are considering a change of names to better reflect proper Roman Usage<<< Tullia: >>> I had gotten wind of something of this sort.  I congratulate you on your efforts in this direction. <<< I, too, do congratulate! Venator and Machinatrix should be an example for all those who have "strange" names in Nova Roma! They are, however, fewer and fewer. They are among our oldest citizens, because since 5 years we have to clear onomastic policy that secures that newcomers take absolutely correct classic Roman names. This is both a way to honour our ancestors and a necessary element of taking Roman citizenship because in the ancient times a foreigner who wanted to get Roman citizenship was in the same time taking a Roman name. Tullia:  >>> We do try to stick with three rather than four names as a rule, but some have taken two cognomina/cognomen+ agnomen. <<< Yes, you are right, but older citizens with strange names who want to Romanize their name are an example from that rule. We want to let them feel most comfortable with their new name, so we try to keep the most part of their old name while rearranging it in a classical Roman form. Also, it was not too rare for noble Romans to have 4 or 5 names, or even more, right in the early and middle republican period. And a second cognomen is not definitely an agnomen. Tullia: >>> To my ears, this one does not have a good ring; Mania and Annia sound too sing-song for the Roman ear.  Even Mania and Annaea would likely strike the Roman ear better, for the medial vocalization was different. <<< It is up to Machinatrix to decide it whether she likes this ring or not, it's not our business. "Mania Annia" sounds not quite good to my ear, either, but it doesn't have to reflect to our preferences, but to that of the owner. I don't see really any problem in this name, however. Perhaps instead of Mania she will want another praenomen, but I like it as it is. Tullia:  >>> This sounds good to me, though typical practice would be to choose either Stephanus or Venator.  Almost certainly this can be accommodated as is, however. <<< I think it is a good practice to have the most possible elements of the old names being incorporated to the new name, so that we can keep the identity of the person. I encourage those who don't have the classical Roman name structure to follow the example this nice couple, wife Machinatrix and husband Venator. Curate, ut valeatis! LENTVLVS

Petronio s.d.

Excellent idea. I think that our Collegium Pontificum, like every
other Power or magistracy, can open pages in our web site.

Such a "dis manibus" page could be a part of them.

In this case, the CP could act in due collaboration with the
censorship.

Vale,


P. Memmius Albucius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
<jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

>
> C. Petronius A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.,
>
> > > ATS: I was sorry to learn (a bit earlier) of Placidia¹s
> passing, though
> > > it was not entirely unexpected from what I had known about her
> some time ago.
> > > She was with me in the original run of Avitus¹ Assimil class,
> later to be
> > > known as Sermo Latinus (combined), but left due to
> incompatibilities with our
> > > difficult instructor. I had had some personal correspondence
> with her, and
> > > knew she was seriously ill. One can hope to overcome even the
> worst nature
> > > can bring, but it was not to be.
>
> Perhaps my idea is not good, but because we have a civium album, I
> wonder if we can have on our website a place for our civis which

pass

> into a current year, with our public prayers and the testimony as

you

> do above on Placidia?
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

Lentulus Petronio et Memmio sal. There is a similar page: http://novaroma.org/nr/Category:Deceased_citizens --- Dom 11/1/09, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> ha scritto: Da: Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] Re: Obituary and web site A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Data: Domenica 11 gennaio 2009, 11:21 Petronio s.d. Excellent idea. I think that our Collegium Pontificum, like every other Power or magistracy, can open pages in our web site. Such a "dis manibus" page could be a part of them. In this case, the CP could act in due collaboration with the censorship. Vale, P. Memmius Albucius --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter" <jfarnoud94@ ...> wrote: > > C. Petronius A. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D., > > > > ATS: I was sorry to learn (a bit earlier) of Placidia¹s > passing, though > > > it was not entirely unexpected from what I had known about her > some time ago. > > > She was with me in the original run of Avitus¹ Assimil class, > later to be > > > known as Sermo Latinus (combined), but left due to > incompatibilities with our > > > difficult instructor. I had had some personal correspondence > with her, and > > > knew she was seriously ill. One can hope to overcome even the > worst nature > > > can bring, but it was not to be. > > Perhaps my idea is not good, but because we have a civium album, I > wonder if we can have on our website a place for our civis which pass > into a current year, with our public prayers and the testimony as you > do above on Placidia? > > Optime vale. > > C. Petronius Dexter >

C. Petronius

> My wife Annia Uleria and I are considering a change of names to

better

> reflect proper Roman Usage.

Yes it is a good thing. The Roman wife did not wear the gentilicium
name of her husband, except if they are cousins or of the same gens.

The woman always keeps the name of her father at the feminine
declension. Terentia was the wife of Tullius Cicero and their
daughter was named Tullia. When Tullia married Sempronius Piso, she
always was Tullia, and so when later she married Cornelius Dolabella.

> Looking at the information gained, a name struck A Ulleria's fancy

as

> being more properly Roman, in light of the advice we've received:
>
> Mania Annia Megas Machinatrix (Praenomen being the feminine of

Manius,

> Nomen being the feminine of Annius, Cognomen being the Romanized

Greek

> of her actual family name [Megas] and Machinatrix coming from her
> education and experience as an engineer).

Warning: Machinatrix seldom has this meaning in Latin. A machinatrix,
is rather an intriguing or scheming woman.


Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Flamen Portunalis
Quaestor praetorianus Cn. Equitii Marini.

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P O N T I F E X
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
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Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
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C. Petronius Cn. Lentulo suo s.p.d.,

> ENG.: I ask you to subscribe to this list to promote the Latinity

of Nova Roma, to demonstrate to the world that we are true Romans
using Latin and that the Latin language is NOT DEAD:<

Did you read the book of the German Wilfried Stroh :
Latein ist tot, es lebe Latein.

Translated in French by Sylvain Bluntz : Le latin est mort, vive le
latin! (This title is a parody of the sentence said at the dead of
French king to salute his successor:
Le roi est mort, vive le roi!)

In his book Stroh shows us that the Latin is dead since Cicero and
Vergil, and is always reborn through the generations, in saecula
saeculorum.

Of course, he makes the difference between the spoken Latin which
became all the roman languages changing with the times with the
eternal written Latin.

For example, the medieval French people had spoken a French language
that the modern French people can not understand, but the same
medieval French people had written in the same Latin that use modern
French Latin writers. So it is the evidence that the Latin is dead
but always living.

This book is odd and funny but very interesting.

As the German poet Josef Eberle said:
O quoties obitum linguae statuere Latinae!
Tot tamen exequiis salua superstes erat.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter

OSD C. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Hodiernus dies est ante diem III Eidus Ianuarius; haec dies nefastus
publicus est.

"Then stretching out her arm to the right bank,
She stamped three times, wildly, on the pine deck:
Evander barely held her back with his hand,
Barely stopped her leaping swiftly to land.
`Hail, you gods of the land we sought' she cried,
`And you the place that will give heaven new gods,
And you nymphs of the grove, and crowds of Naiads!
May the sight of you be a good omen for me and my son,
And happy be the foot that touches that shore!
Am I wrong, or will those hills raise mighty walls,
And from this earth all the earth receive its laws?
The whole world is one day promised to these hills:
Who could believe the place held such fate in store?
Soon Trojan ships will touch these shores,
And a woman, Lavinia, shall cause fresh war.
Pallas, dear grandson, why put on that fatal armour?
Put it on! No mean champion will avenge you.
Conquered Troy you will conquer, and rise from your fall,
Your very ruin overwhelms your enemy's houses.
Conquering flames consume Neptune's Ilium!
Will that prevent its ashes rising higher than the world?
Soon pious Aeneas will bring the sacred Penates, and his
Sacred father here: Vesta, receive the gods of Troy!" ...
But the felicitous prophetess, as she lived beloved of the gods,
Now a goddess herself, has this day of Janus' month as hers. - Ovid,
"Fasti" I: The Carmentalia

"Of this goddess little is said in historical times, when the
primitive Latin worship was obscured by a crowd of Grecian and
Oriental deities; but she must have held a leading place in early
times, for she had a special priest, the Flamen Carmentalis, and the
gate near which her altar stood just at the foot of the Capitoline,
between it and the river, was called Carmentalis. Plutarch says that
some supposed Carmenta to be one of the Fates who presided over the
birth of men. The Greek title of the goddess was Themis. Into her
chapel it was not permitted to carry any part of a dead animal, for
example, anything made of leather. It is related that the famous
Marcus Popillius, in the time of the Samnite wars, the first plebeian
who ever obtained the honor of a triumph, was flamen of Carmentis.
When one day he was performing a sacrifice, clad in the laena, or
priestly robe, a tumult arose in the city. Popillius then hastily left
the sacrifice, clad as he was, made his way to the assembly, and
calmed the tumult by his authority and eloquence. In memory of this,
from the loena or robe which he wore, the people gave him the name of
Laenas, which was borne by his descendants; for it was quite out of
order to address the people in any robe but the toga, the distinctive
costume of a Roman citizen." - William S. Walsh, "Curiosities of
Popular Customs And of Rites, Ceremonies, Observances, and
Miscellaneous Antiquities" (1925)

Today is the celebration of the Carmentalia, celebrated in honor of
the nymph Carmenta or Carmentis, the mother of Evander. Upon reaching
Latium with her son, she climbed atop a hill and began prophesying
and singing. This festival is celebrated annually on the 11th and the
15th of January, and no other particulars of it are recorded except
that Carmenta was invoked in it as "Postvorta" and "Antevorta",
epithets which had reference to her power of looking back into the
past and forward into the future. Her name comes from the
word "carmen" or "song"; she is said to have invented both the sacred
music of the Romans and the 15-letter alphabet.


"Quitting his couch, Tithonus' bride will witness
The high priest's rite of Arcadian Carmentis.
The same light received you too, Juturna, Turnus' sister,
There where the Aqua Virgo circles the Campus.
Where shall I find the cause and nature of these rites?
Who will steer my vessel in mid-ocean? - Ovid, "Fasti" I; 11 January

Today is also the celebration of the Iuturnalia, in honor of the
goddess Iuturna, in a festival celebrated on the anniversary of the
day on which her temple was erected in the Campus Martius (Field of
Mars, where soldiers trained, a place dedicated to the Roman god of
war, Mars) by Quintus Lutatius Catulus, a great-great-great uncle of
Julius Caesar.

Iuturna is the goddess of fountains, wells, and springs, and the
nymph of the fountain in Latium famous for its reputed healing
powers. She was a sister of Turnus and supported him against
Aeneas. Turnus had been seeking the hand of Lavinia, daughter of
Latinus, the king of the Latins. Iuno, who hated the Trojans,
prompted Turnus to foment war between the Latins and the Trojans, and
although Latinus wsn't happy about it, he allowed Turnus to go to
war. Iuppiter later turned Iuturna into a nymph and gave her a sacred
well in Lavinium in Latium, as well as another one near the temple to
Vesta in the Forum Romanum. The second well was called Lacus
Iuturnae, and was reputed to be the well at which the Dioscuri
refreshed their horses on the way to announce the victory at the
Battle of Lake Regillus (496 B.C.).

On a side note, Iuturna and Iuppiter had an affair that Iuppiter
wanted to keep under wraps from Iuno, for obvious reasons.
Unfortunately, one of Iuturna's closest companions was the nymph
Larunda, whose one great personal characteristic was her inability to
shut up. She inadvertantly gave away Iuppiter's secret, and in anger
he cut out her tongue and banished her to watch over the Avernus
River at the mouth of the Underworld. Mercury, charged with
escorting her there, fell in love with her and as a result of their
brief but fruitful adventure she gave birth to the two Lares, the
household gods.


Valete bene!

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Salvete Nova Romans
>
> Just a reminder that you can buy a very nice ring to commemorate
>your citizenship and love
> of all things Roman.

Salve Pauline,

I've seen them (you showed me yours in Maryland at the Napoleonic
reenactment in Maryland in October), they *are* nice looking rings but
even the sterling ones are pretty pricey and the gold, well...

Vale,

Palladius

>
> http://www.carrollcollection.com/SPQR_Ring.htm
>
> I wear mine everywhere!!!
>
> Valete
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus

To: NR-Main List

Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:09 AM

Subject: [Nova-Roma] Possible name change...thoughts

Avete Omnes;

My wife Annia Uleria and I are considering a change of names to better
reflect proper Roman Usage.

I have been having private discussions with some folk of my
acquaintance about this.

Looking at the information gained, a name struck A Ulleria's fancy as
being more properly Roman, in light of the advice we've received:

Mania Annia Megas Machinatrix (Praenomen being the feminine of Manius,
Nomen being the feminine of Annius, Cognomen being the Romanized Greek
of her actual family name [Megas] and Machinatrix coming from her
education and experience as an engineer).

For myself, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator...preservin g much of my
current name, with a proper Roman praenomen.

Piperbarbatus (Piperbarbus) going away because, frankly, my beard is
so much more salt than pepper these days ,-)

If we do decide to change, the request goes to the Censors?

============ ========= ========= ========= ==
In amicitia et fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbatus
Senator et Lictor
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Patrician, Paterfamilias
Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Sodalis_ Coq_et_Coq/

http://www.myspace. com/venator_ poetus
http://anheathenrea der.blogspot. com/
http://www.catamoun t-grange- hearth.org/
http://www.cafepres s.com/catamountg range
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

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Salve Palladius
 
This just goes to show how Nova Romans "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" *
 
Years ago when this ring was in the planning stages the jeweler agreed to give Nova Romans
a special price. We had to have a minimum number of orders before we could get the
price. We never came close to reaching it.
 
At that time the cost of the silver ring, like mine, cost HALF, of what it does today.
 
If we had a serious number interested in the ring today we might be able to get a reduced
price. Before we ask we would need to see how many would really want one.
 
Vale
 
Paulinus
 
* is was that the Palestinians??
 

---

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: bcatfd@...
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:19:22 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roman Ring

Ave Lusitanus;

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bruno Cantermi wrote:
> Salve Venator!
>
> When I entered college, I asked the censors to give me a Cognomen related to
> my academic achievement, but I wasn't given answer. I can you help me?
>
> Vale,
>
> LVSITANVS.SPD.
>

As I depend upon others for hammering out what Latin I use, I must
defer to those men and women on this list who rescue me.

I should hope that by asking me, you will receive their assistance,
and further this thread on good, Roman naming practices.

=========================================
In amicitia et fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbatus
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Senator et Lictor
Patrician et Paterfamilias

Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
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http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

Salve Scholastica;

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:29 AM, A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica Stephano Ullerio Venatori quiritibus bonae voluntatis
> S.P.D.
>
> ATS: I had gotten wind of something of this sort. I congratulate you
> on your efforts in this direction.
>

Venii: Thank you, I guess the Elderly Canine can mend his ways, at
least a little ,-)

>
> ATS: We do try to stick with three rather than four names as a rule,
> but some have taken two cognomina/cognomen+ agnomen. To my ears, this one
> does not have a good ring; Mania and Annia sound too sing-song for the Roman
> ear. Even Mania and Annaea would likely strike the Roman ear better, for
> the medial vocalization was different.
>

Venii: I spoke with my wife about this. She is her parents' first born
(and is of prime importance to me), so:

Prima Annia Megas Machinatrix

>> For myself, Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator...

>
> ATS: This sounds good to me, though typical practice would be to choose
> either Stephanus or Venator. Almost certainly this can be accommodated as
> is, however.
>

Venii: I have grown accustomed to having an overly long name 8-)

>
> ATS: And piper can also be red...though the Romans may not have known
> about those. They may have known about white pepper, however. You're the
> expert on Roman dining...inasmuch as there is a Latin word for pepper, I
> assume they did know about at least one variety thereof.

Venii: From my research, Piper Nigrum was well known and valued in
Ancient Times; white pepper and black pepper being two different
preparations of the same seed, as are green and red peppecorns.
Though, the green are much more a modern innovation.

>
>> If we do decide to change, the request goes to the Censors?
>
> ATS: Yes, and the rogatores can forward these, too. I think all
> concerned parties are on this list.
>

Ok, once my wife and I are satisfied, we shall make a formal
presentation of our request.

=========================================
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Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbatus pro tem ,-)
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Senator et et Lictor
Patrician et Paterfamilias

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May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

Ave Dexter;

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Gaius Petronius Dexter wrote:
> C. Petronius
>
> Yes it is a good thing. The Roman wife did not wear the gentilicium
> name of her husband, except if they are cousins or of the same gens.
>
> The woman always keeps the name of her father at the feminine
> declension. Terentia was the wife of Tullius Cicero and their
> daughter was named Tullia. When Tullia married Sempronius Piso, she
> always was Tullia, and so when later she married Cornelius Dolabella.

Venii: Thank you for adding to the conversation. This is one of the
points raised in my other conversation as well. The examples help to
clarify the point.

>
> Warning: Machinatrix seldom has this meaning in Latin. A machinatrix,
> is rather an intriguing or scheming woman.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Flamen Portunalis
> Quaestor praetorianus Cn. Equitii Marini.
>

Ah, I see, similar root to the word machinations?

I cracked open my English-Latin dictionary.

What would be the proper form of Faber to replace Machinatrix?
And, do I understand correctly that Faber is a proper term for an
engineer or artificer?

=================================
In amicitia et fide
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbatus (pro tem)
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Senator et Lictor
Patrician et Paterfamilias

Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://www.myspace.com/venator_poetus
http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

Lentulus Venatori Piperbarbo sal. >>> Ah, I see, similar root to the word machinations? <<< Yes, as you say. But "machinatrix" does mean "engeneer", too. What our Caligula (C. Petronius Dexter) said was that machinatrix has a bad connotation too, but not only. The first meaning of "machinatrix" is "a woman working with machines". >>> What would be the proper form of Faber to replace Machinatrix? <<< It is not encourage to change a name that works quite well. In my view there is no reason to replace "Machinatrix" that served well 9 years. She would loss her identity in a totally changed name. >>> And, do I understand correctly that Faber is a proper term for an engineer or artificer? <<< "Faber" is simply "smith". I don't recommend this name for her.

Saul et fortuna Lentulus;

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus wrote:
> Lentulus Tulliae et Venatori sal.
>
> I, too, do congratulate! Venator and Machinatrix should be an example for
> all those who have "strange" names in Nova Roma! They are, however, fewer
> and fewer. They are among our oldest citizens, because since 5 years we have
> to clear onomastic policy that secures that newcomers take absolutely
> correct classic Roman names. This is both a way to honour our ancestors and
> a necessary element of taking Roman citizenship because in the ancient times
> a foreigner who wanted to get Roman citizenship was in the same time taking
> a Roman name.
>

Venii: Thank you, too. We have always been a little different than
the neighbors ,-)
We are grateful for the advice we have received in both proper naming
usage and in methods to preserve some of the "foreignness" of our
names.

> Tullia: >>> We do try to stick with three rather than four names as a rule,
> but some have taken two cognomina/cognomen+ agnomen. <<<
>
>
> Yes, you are right, but older citizens with strange names who want to
> Romanize their name are an example from that rule. We want to let them feel
> most comfortable with their new name, so we try to keep the most part of
> their old name while rearranging it in a classical Roman form. Also, it was
> not too rare for noble Romans to have 4 or 5 names, or even more, right in
> the early and middle republican period. And a second cognomen is not
> definitely an agnomen.
>

Venii: Again, good information on the mechanism of proper naming, and
Roman tolerance for some innovation. Nobilitas of spirit is something
to which we should all strive; to become noble men, not necessarily
Noblemen.

>
> It is up to Machinatrix to decide it whether she likes this ring or not,
> it's not our business. "Mania Annia" sounds not quite good to my ear,
> either, but it doesn't have to reflect to our preferences, but to that of
> the owner. I don't see really any problem in this name, however. Perhaps
> instead of Mania she will want another praenomen, but I like it as it is.
>

Venii: My wife and I did discuss this and on further consideration it
did sound a bit like a chant instead of a name. She decided to use
Prima as her praenomen.

>
> I think it is a good practice to have the most possible elements of the old
> names being incorporated to the new name, so that we can keep the identity
> of the person.
>
> I encourage those who don't have the classical Roman name structure to
> follow the example this nice couple, wife Machinatrix and husband Venator.
>
> Curate, ut valeatis!
>
> LENTVLVS
>

Thank you again Lentulus and all who have been of assistance in this
small, but personally important, endeavor.

=========================================
In amicitia et fide
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbatus (pro tem)
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Senator et Lictor
Patrician et Paterfamilias

Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

http://www.myspace.com/venator_poetus
http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
http://www.cafepress.com/catamountgrange
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

Ave Lentulus;

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

> Lentulus Venatori Piperbarbo sal.
>
>>>> Ah, I see, similar root to the word machinations? <<<
>
> Yes, as you say. But "machinatrix" does mean "engeneer", too. What our
> Caligula (C. Petronius Dexter) said was that machinatrix has a bad
> connotation too, but not only. The first meaning of "machinatrix" is "a
> woman working with machines".
>
>>>> What would be the proper form of Faber to replace Machinatrix? <<<
>
> It is not encourage to change a name that works quite well. In my view there
> is no reason to replace "Machinatrix" that served well 9 years. She would
> loss her identity in a totally changed name.
>
>>>> And, do I understand correctly that Faber is a proper term for an
> engineer or artificer? <<<
>
> "Faber" is simply "smith". I don't recommend this name for her.
>

Thank you again, more to contemplate, but it looks like we are in the
final stage of this journey:

Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator is wed to Prima Annia Megas Machinatrix

A decision tomorrow, I think.

Valete - Venator

Salve, Piperbarbe! >>> Prima Annia Megas Machinatrix <<< Sorry to intervene again, but remember: a praenomen must be chosen from that list: http://novaroma.org/nr/Praenomen "Prima" is not on this list, because it can't be a praenomen, only cognomen. Annia has to choose from that list: http://novaroma.org/nr/Praenomen Thank you for your understanding. In amicitia et fide: Lentulus

Salve Lusitane,

Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@...> writes:

> Salve Venator!
>
> When I entered college, I asked the censors to give me a Cognomen
> related to my academic achievement, but I wasn't given answer. I can
> you help me?

No, he can't. But somebody in the censors office might be able to.

Examining your citizen record, I see that you asked for two names
before the one you now have. It appears from the records that you
understood why you couldn't have the names you requested. If you're
unable to remember then I recommend you contact the censors.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salvete, Lusitane et Cn. Marine! I remember Lusitanus indeed asked something about his cognomen change reflecting to his academic achievement but we answered him that it is not possible within the Roman onomastic system. Honestly, I can't remember on which forum this happened. In the Triage? In the censorial cohors? In this list? I don't know but I remember his question. Valete! Lentulus --- Dom 11/1/09, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> ha scritto: Da: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Possible name change...thoughts A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Data: Domenica 11 gennaio 2009, 18:18 Salve Lusitane, Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@ terra.com. br> writes: > Salve Venator! > > When I entered college, I asked the censors to give me a Cognomen > related to my academic achievement, but I wasn't given answer. I can > you help me? No, he can't. But somebody in the censors office might be able to. Examining your citizen record, I see that you asked for two names before the one you now have. It appears from the records that you understood why you couldn't have the names you requested. If you're unable to remember then I recommend you contact the censors. Vale, CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Lentulus Lusitano et Cn. Marino Censorio sal. I'm just answering to myself. I've made a little searching and I found that the question of Lusitanus was asked right here, in January, 2008, and in this main list of NR, in this message: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/54768 So he was right he asked. I doubt he asked it directly from the censors, though. Valete! Cn. Lentulus --- Dom 11/1/09, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> ha scritto: Da: Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Possible name change...thoughts A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Data: Domenica 11 gennaio 2009, 18:33 Salvete, Lusitane et Cn. Marine! I remember Lusitanus indeed asked something about his cognomen change reflecting to his academic achievement but we answered him that it is not possible within the Roman onomastic system. Honestly, I can't remember on which forum this happened. In the Triage? In the censorial cohors? In this list? I don't know but I remember his question. Valete! Lentulus --- Dom 11/1/09, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail. net> ha scritto: Da: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@cesmail. net> Oggetto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Possible name change...thoughts A: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com Data: Domenica 11 gennaio 2009, 18:18 Salve Lusitane, Bruno Cantermi <brunocantermi@ terra.com. br> writes: > Salve Venator! > > When I entered college, I asked the censors to give me a Cognomen > related to my academic achievement, but I wasn't given answer. I can > you help me? No, he can't. But somebody in the censors office might be able to. Examining your citizen record, I see that you asked for two names before the one you now have. It appears from the records that you understood why you couldn't have the names you requested. If you're unable to remember then I recommend you contact the censors. Vale, CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salve Lentule,

Thanks for finding this. It does clear up the questions.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS


"Cn. Cornelius Lentulus" <cn_corn_lent@...> writes:

> Lentulus Lusitano et Cn. Marino Censorio sal.
>
> I'm just answering to myself. I've made a little searching and I
> found that the question of Lusitanus was asked right here, in
> January, 2008, and in this main list of NR, in this message:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/54768
>
> So he was right he asked. I doubt he asked it directly from the
> censors, though.

Do you make a lighter version for women?

Cicurina

> >
> > Salvete Nova Romans
> >
> > Just a reminder that you can buy a very nice ring to commemorate
> your citizenship and love
> > of all things Roman.
> >
> > http://www.carrollcollection.com/SPQR_Ring.htm
> >
> > I wear mine everywhere!!!
> >
> > Valete
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
>
> I do the same with mine. It is a really beautiful ring and very well
> made. If there is enough interest, why not see if there is the
> possibility to get a discount on a bulk purchase? A buying group

could

> be set up.
>
>
> MLA
>

Cato Ti. Galerio Paulino omnibusque in foro SPD

Salve et Salvete.

Pauline, might it be a thought to look at offering a new ring? I know
that senators wore iron rings as a sign of office; maybe a ring could
be designed in a less precious metal for more general distribution?

Vale et valete,

Cato

Salvete omnes

Cato scripsit:-

Pauline, might it be a thought to look at offering a new ring? I know
that senators wore iron rings as a sign of office; maybe a ring could
be designed in a less precious metal for more general distribution?

I would like to add my vote for an iron ring, as I believe the troops also wore rings made of iron. And a cheaper metal might also produce a more affordable price.

I would certainly like a ring, and perhaps other items that could be sold to raise funds for our projects.
Vale et valete,

Crispus

Ave Lentulus;

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
<cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

> Salve, Piperbarbe!
>
>>>> Prima Annia Megas Machinatrix <<<
>
> Sorry to intervene again, but remember: a praenomen must be chosen from that
> list: http://novaroma.org/nr/Praenomen
>
> "Prima" is not on this list, because it can't be a praenomen, only cognomen.
> Annia has to choose from that list:
>
> Thank you for your understanding.
>
> In amicitia et fide:
>
> Lentulus
>

No worries!

Machinatrix and I are looking upon this as an exercise in learning,
which is why we have kept it a public conversation. It is also an
extension of the support she has given me over the years o be involved
with Nova Roma.

Ok, looking again at the lists of names and their proper places, with
clearer heads since we had a nice lunch:

Marca Annia Megas Machinatrix...fits nicely, as my wife is a veteran
like myself, which was the milieu for her engineering work.

gratias tibi ago - Venator (soon to lose the beard ,-)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Marcius Crispus"
<jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes
>
> Cato scripsit:-
>
> Pauline, might it be a thought to look at offering a new ring? I

know

> that senators wore iron rings as a sign of office; maybe a ring

could

> be designed in a less precious metal for more general distribution?
>
> I would like to add my vote for an iron ring, as I believe the

troops

> also wore rings made of iron. And a cheaper metal might also

produce a

> more affordable price.
>
> I would certainly like a ring, and perhaps other items that could

be

> sold to raise funds for our projects.
> Vale et valete,
>
> Crispus
>

yes, a nice Ring, like a class ring, made of bronze, perhaps? . But
i have purchased an SPQR ring on ebay, made in Italy of Gold and
silver, for only $70. A very Beautiful ring.

Cato Crispo omnibusque in foro SPD

Salve et salvete.

Just for general information:

"But at whatever time rings may have become customary at Rome, this
much is certain, that at first they were always of iron, that they
were destined for the same purpose as in Greece, namely, to be used as
seals, and that every free Roman had a right to use such a ring. This
iron ring was used down to the last period of the republic by such men
as loved the simplicity of the good old times." - William Smith, A
Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities, John Murray, London, (1875)

Vale et valete,

Cato

----- Original Message -----

From: Stefn Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Possible name change...thoughts

Ave Lusitanus;

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Bruno Cantermi wrote:
> Salve Venator!
>
> When I entered college, I asked the censors to give me a Cognomen related to
> my academic achievement, but I wasn't given answer. I can you help me?
>
> Vale,
>
> LVSITANVS.SPD.
>

As I depend upon others for hammering out what Latin I use, I must
defer to those men and women on this list who rescue me.

I should hope that by asking me, you will receive their assistance,
and further this thread on good, Roman naming practices.

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Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.
Senator et Lictor
Patrician et Paterfamilias

Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta

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Many thanks for that information.

You take me back over 50 years, to my favourite childhood book The Eagle of the Ninth by Rosemary Sutcliffe. I always remember my father reading to me the story, and I would wonder which of my favourite pieces he would choose for me.

I especially liked the one where Marcus saw the ring, his father's ring, lost when the Ninth was destroyed. If I may be allowed a quote.:-

"A ring swung on the end of the thong, sparkling faintly with green fire in the torch-light. It was a heavy signet ring, and on the flawed emerald which formed the bezel was engraved the dolphin badge of his own family. He held it for a long moment, held it very gently, as if it were a living thing, watching the torch-light play in the green heart of the stone"

Rings can be magical, and that one started my interest in Rome.

So, in addition to the information, I am also grateful to you for reminding me of that part of my childhood that has remained with me to this day.

Vale, et valete optime.

Crispus

Salvete omnes,

I know for sure that roman troops wore bronze rings, at least in the
imperial period. I have two of those legionary signet rings myself,
which I used as a base for my reproductions. Those were probably the
cheapest kind of signet rings, because they could be made with the
lost-wax method and required no carving.

I have never seen any roman iron rings. Iron doesn't survive as
easily as bronze, so if they existed, it's not likely many survived.
As far as I know Romans couldn't smelt iron, so any iron ring would
probably have been a plain one made by beating the iron, possibly
with filed decorations, certainly not anything with a pattern or
writing on it.

Nowadays all the cheaper metals that existed in roman times other
than iron (that is, bronze and brass) are almost as expensive as
silver.

Furthermore, the biggest part of the expense involved in producing a
ring is designing the prototype and making the moulds.
However, I doubt that the production cost of the ring that Paulinus
promoted is more than 25 dollars for the silver version, and that's
an excess estimate, assuming that those rings are as heavy as my
bronze ones, and that labour costs are 10 times as high in the U.S.
The rest of the price probably covers taxes, promotion, website
costs, etc.

Optime valete,
Livia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Marcius Crispus"
<jbshr1pwa@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes
>
> Cato scripsit:-
>
> Pauline, might it be a thought to look at offering a new ring? I

know

> that senators wore iron rings as a sign of office; maybe a ring

could

> be designed in a less precious metal for more general distribution?
>
> I would like to add my vote for an iron ring, as I believe the

troops

> also wore rings made of iron. And a cheaper metal might also

produce a

> more affordable price.
>
> I would certainly like a ring, and perhaps other items that could be
> sold to raise funds for our projects.
> Vale et valete,
>
> Crispus
>

Salve Cicurina
 
I believe they only come in one style.  I have very small hands for a man my size
and I do not find it overly heavy. If you would like you can always ask Mike
Carroll the designer.
 
Vale
 
Paulinus  

---

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: simchajacobs@...
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:13:20 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roman Ring

Salve Cato
 
Welcome back!
 
I have sent a note to Mike Carroll to see if it can be made out of other material.
 
Vale
 
Paulinus

---

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: mlcinnyc@...
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:43:21 +0000
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roman Ring

C. Petronius Cn. Lentulo suo s.p.d,

> Yes, as you say. But "machinatrix" does mean "engeneer", too. What

our Caligula

What my usenet nickname is coming in here?

> (C. Petronius Dexter)

It is my true name in NR, no need brackets. ;o)

>> said was that machinatrix has a bad connotation too, but not only.

The first meaning of "machinatrix" is "a woman working with machines".

Do you really think that women handled machines in theatres or engine-
siege in the battlefields? In all the Roman litterature we have one
example of machinatrix, it is in the drama Medea composed by Seneca.
And the word indeed comes from the verb machinari, not in its working
meaning (Medea was on stage not on stage machinery.) but in its moral
meaning. Medea was plotting the murder of her sons she had with Jason.

>>> It is not encourage to change a name that works quite well.<<<

He he he... Machinatrix works, indeed.

>>> In my view there is no reason to replace "Machinatrix" that

served well 9 years. She would loss her identity in a totally changed
name.<<<

Even if she wants to change her names?

Optime uale.

C. Petronius Dexter
Flamen Portunalis
Quaestor

Salvete
 
FYI
 
Valete
 
Paulinus

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Salvete
 
I know this is a auto message but could we make sure that the
current Praetors agree with this.
 
If they do could someone please attach our new Praetors names to it?
 
Valete
 
Paulinus
 

> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:48:18 +0000
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] File - EDICTUM DE SERMONE
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Lentulus Petronio suo sal. >>> What my usenet nickname is coming in here? <<< To promote your Latin writer name. You also said you like that name. >>> Do you really think that women handled machines in theatres or engine- siege in the battlefields? <<< No, but today they do. And we live today. Today it is possible. >>> And the word indeed comes from the verb machinari, not in its working meaning <<< The Oxford Latin Dictionary which is the ultimate authority in Classical Latin, gives the first meaning of "machinator" as "one who devises or constructs machines, an engineer". The second meaning is that bad: "a contriver of plots". The female variant of this word is machinatrix, so Annia can use it. It is just because of the patriarchic ancient circumstances that a woman could not be engeneer. >>> Even if she wants to change her names? <<< Nova Roma does not allow name changes in general. In Nova Roma one can change his name only if the name incorrect according to the classical Roman naming conventions or bad Latin. Machinatrix fits the requirements so it should not be changed, neither Annia. Marca Annia Megas Machinatrix is perect, a bit long, but never mind: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Cornelianus Scipio Nasica Serapio would not mind it either. ;-)

Salvete
 
I hope  "Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Cornelianus Scipio Nasica Serapio"
is not on any Nova Roma sports team as we could never get that name
on the jersey.
 
Valete
 
Paulinus 

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
From: cn_corn_lent@...
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:12:10 +0000
Subject: R: [Nova-Roma] Re: Possible name change...thoughts

Lentulus is a master namer. I remember my first choice which I had
used with other groups was mired in existing familial ties to other
citizens, so I had to start over. I am professional race car driver
so he suggested going with 'Auriga.' I like it so much, I am going to
see if I can get it as a vanity plate for one of my cars!
Vale,
L. Antonia Auriga

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stefn Ullerius Venator
Piperbarbus" <famila.ulleria.venii@...> wrote:

>
> Ave Lentulus;
>
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
> <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:
> > Salve, Piperbarbe!
> >
> >>>> Prima Annia Megas Machinatrix <<<
> >
> > Sorry to intervene again, but remember: a praenomen must be

chosen from that

> > list: http://novaroma.org/nr/Praenomen
> >
> > "Prima" is not on this list, because it can't be a praenomen,

only cognomen.

> > Annia has to choose from that list:
> >
> > Thank you for your understanding.
> >
> > In amicitia et fide:
> >
> > Lentulus
> >
>
> No worries!
>
> Machinatrix and I are looking upon this as an exercise in learning,
> which is why we have kept it a public conversation. It is also an
> extension of the support she has given me over the years o be

involved

> with Nova Roma.
>
> Ok, looking again at the lists of names and their proper places,

with

> clearer heads since we had a nice lunch:
>
> Marca Annia Megas Machinatrix...fits nicely, as my wife is a veteran
> like myself, which was the milieu for her engineering work.
>
> gratias tibi ago - Venator (soon to lose the beard ,-)
>

Cato praetores omnibusque in foro SPD

Salvete.

One note. In the edict as it is, it states:

"I. Language

Nova Roma's official business language is English, and its official ceremonial
language is Latin."

but then continues

"All official government documents must appear in English/Latin as well as
whatever vernacular languages are relevant."

The hash mark between "English" and "Latin" in the second section is grammatically
understood to mean "and/or". This conflicts with the statement that the official
government language is English, because it would allow an official government document
to appear in Latin alone ("or") and a vernacular language. Our current praetors might want
to clear that up before issuing the edict officially.

Valete,

Cato

I hate to nitpick, but shouldn't the date be the current date?  It has the current consuls, but not the current date on it, and the date is mentioned as "Given under our hands this 20th  day of January 2761 from the founding of Roma."  If I am mistaken, please ignore this message.  

M. Hortensia Maior C. Equitio Cantoni Quiritesque spd;
today is the Carmentalia, Carmentis can be read about in our wiki
here:http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Carmentis
I performed the Carmentalia ritual
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Carmentalia_%28Nova_Roma%29
as written by our Pontifex Maximus M. Moravius Piscinus this sunday
afternoon in the grove behind my house in Mons Capellae, Carolina
My offerings were honeyed milk, a cake made of figs and nuts,
incense and nuts.
I observed no bad signs and finished the ritual praying that dea
Carmentis favour the cives of Nova Roma with many children and those
in childbirth. I asked the gods to favour the magistrates and
citizens of Nova Roma.
The next Carmentalia ritual will be celebrated on Thursday.
May the gods favour Nova Roma forever!
bene vadete in pacem deorum
M. Hortensia Maior
Flaminica Carmentalis

>
> OSD C. Equitius Cato
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> Hodiernus dies est ante diem III Eidus Ianuarius; haec dies

nefastus

> publicus est.
>
> "Then stretching out her arm to the right bank,
> She stamped three times, wildly, on the pine deck:
> Evander barely held her back with his hand,
> Barely stopped her leaping swiftly to land.
> `Hail, you gods of the land we sought' she cried,
> `And you the place that will give heaven new gods,
> And you nymphs of the grove, and crowds of Naiads!
> May the sight of you be a good omen for me and my son,
> And happy be the foot that touches that shore!
> Am I wrong, or will those hills raise mighty walls,
> And from this earth all the earth receive its laws?
> The whole world is one day promised to these hills:
> Who could believe the place held such fate in store?
> Soon Trojan ships will touch these shores,
> And a woman, Lavinia, shall cause fresh war.
> Pallas, dear grandson, why put on that fatal armour?
> Put it on! No mean champion will avenge you.
> Conquered Troy you will conquer, and rise from your fall,
> Your very ruin overwhelms your enemy's houses.
> Conquering flames consume Neptune's Ilium!
> Will that prevent its ashes rising higher than the world?
> Soon pious Aeneas will bring the sacred Penates, and his
> Sacred father here: Vesta, receive the gods of Troy!" ...
> But the felicitous prophetess, as she lived beloved of the gods,
> Now a goddess herself, has this day of Janus' month as hers. - Ovid,
> "Fasti" I: The Carmentalia
>
> "Of this goddess little is said in historical times, when the
> primitive Latin worship was obscured by a crowd of Grecian and
> Oriental deities; but she must have held a leading place in early
> times, for she had a special priest, the Flamen Carmentalis, and the
> gate near which her altar stood just at the foot of the Capitoline,
> between it and the river, was called Carmentalis. Plutarch says that
> some supposed Carmenta to be one of the Fates who presided over the
> birth of men. The Greek title of the goddess was Themis. Into her
> chapel it was not permitted to carry any part of a dead animal, for
> example, anything made of leather. It is related that the famous
> Marcus Popillius, in the time of the Samnite wars, the first

plebeian

> who ever obtained the honor of a triumph, was flamen of Carmentis.
> When one day he was performing a sacrifice, clad in the laena, or
> priestly robe, a tumult arose in the city. Popillius then hastily

left

> the sacrifice, clad as he was, made his way to the assembly, and
> calmed the tumult by his authority and eloquence. In memory of this,
> from the loena or robe which he wore, the people gave him the name

of

> Laenas, which was borne by his descendants; for it was quite out of
> order to address the people in any robe but the toga, the

distinctive

> costume of a Roman citizen." - William S. Walsh, "Curiosities of
> Popular Customs And of Rites, Ceremonies, Observances, and
> Miscellaneous Antiquities" (1925)
>
> Today is the celebration of the Carmentalia, celebrated in honor of
> the nymph Carmenta or Carmentis, the mother of Evander. Upon

reaching

> Latium with her son, she climbed atop a hill and began prophesying
> and singing. This festival is celebrated annually on the 11th and

the

> 15th of January, and no other particulars of it are recorded except
> that Carmenta was invoked in it as "Postvorta" and "Antevorta",
> epithets which had reference to her power of looking back into the
> past and forward into the future. Her name comes from the
> word "carmen" or "song"; she is said to have invented both the

sacred

> music of the Romans and the 15-letter alphabet.
>
>
> "Quitting his couch, Tithonus' bride will witness
> The high priest's rite of Arcadian Carmentis.
> The same light received you too, Juturna, Turnus' sister,
> There where the Aqua Virgo circles the Campus.
> Where shall I find the cause and nature of these rites?
> Who will steer my vessel in mid-ocean? - Ovid, "Fasti" I; 11 January
>
> Today is also the celebration of the Iuturnalia, in honor of the
> goddess Iuturna, in a festival celebrated on the anniversary of the
> day on which her temple was erected in the Campus Martius (Field of
> Mars, where soldiers trained, a place dedicated to the Roman god of
> war, Mars) by Quintus Lutatius Catulus, a great-great-great uncle of
> Julius Caesar.
>
> Iuturna is the goddess of fountains, wells, and springs, and the
> nymph of the fountain in Latium famous for its reputed healing
> powers. She was a sister of Turnus and supported him against
> Aeneas. Turnus had been seeking the hand of Lavinia, daughter of
> Latinus, the king of the Latins. Iuno, who hated the Trojans,
> prompted Turnus to foment war between the Latins and the Trojans,

and

> although Latinus wsn't happy about it, he allowed Turnus to go to
> war. Iuppiter later turned Iuturna into a nymph and gave her a

sacred

> well in Lavinium in Latium, as well as another one near the temple

to

> Vesta in the Forum Romanum. The second well was called Lacus
> Iuturnae, and was reputed to be the well at which the Dioscuri
> refreshed their horses on the way to announce the victory at the
> Battle of Lake Regillus (496 B.C.).
>
> On a side note, Iuturna and Iuppiter had an affair that Iuppiter
> wanted to keep under wraps from Iuno, for obvious reasons.
> Unfortunately, one of Iuturna's closest companions was the nymph
> Larunda, whose one great personal characteristic was her inability

to

> shut up. She inadvertantly gave away Iuppiter's secret, and in

anger

> he cut out her tongue and banished her to watch over the Avernus
> River at the mouth of the Underworld. Mercury, charged with
> escorting her there, fell in love with her and as a result of their
> brief but fruitful adventure she gave birth to the two Lares, the
> household gods.
>
>
> Valete bene!
>
> Cato
>

A. Tullia Scholastica Cn. Cornelio Lentulo C. Petronio Dextro Stephano Ullerio Venatori quiritibus bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Lentulus Petronio suo sal.


>>> What my usenet nickname is coming in here? <<<


To promote your Latin writer name. You also said you like that name.


>>> Do you really think that women handled machines in theatres or engine-
siege in the battlefields? <<<


No, but today they do. And we live today. Today it is possible.


>>> And the word indeed comes from the verb machinari, not in its working
meaning <<<


The Oxford Latin Dictionary which is the ultimate authority in Classical Latin, gives the first meaning of "machinator" as "one who devises or constructs machines, an engineer". The second meaning is that bad: "a contriver of plots". The female variant of this word is machinatrix, so Annia can use it. It is just because of the patriarchic ancient circumstances that a woman could not be engeneer.

    ATS:  And the only meaning the OLD gives for the female version is female contriver...  The older Lewis and Short unabridged lists this as an inventress, citing the same passage.  L & S give the meaning machinist for the masculine as well as engineer.


>>> Even if she wants to change her names? <<<


Nova Roma does not allow name changes in general. In Nova Roma one can change his name only if the name incorrect according to the classical Roman naming conventions or bad Latin.

    ATS:  Yes, though we do allow the tirones to change their names.  Some discover that the cognomen is the most commonly used part of the name, and the most distinctive...but there are many, many with the cognomen Lupus, the cognomen Severus, the cognomen Caesar...and then they want to change.  


Machinatrix fits the requirements so it should not be changed, neither Annia.

Marca Annia Megas Machinatrix is perect, a bit long, but never mind: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Cornelianus Scipio Nasica Serapio would not mind it either. ;-)

    ATS:  I hope that all of these do not belong to one person, though I know the first four do...

 

 Valete.
 
      
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A. Tullia Scholastica C. Fulvio Severo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque bonae voluntatis S.P.D.
 

Salvete,

I hate to nitpick, but shouldn't the date be the current date?  It has the current consuls,

    ATS:  Edicta regarding behavior on the Main List are the responsibility of the praetores, not the consules.  This is the edictum published by then-praetores Complutensis and Severus.  I don’t know whether or not the current praetores, Marinus and Albucius, have agreed to this.  However, it is sent automatically, and has the date on which it was originally published.  There is a month or so during which magistrates may choose to retain the edicta of their predecessors.  It is early in the year; cohortes are just getting organized.  Please give everyone a chance.  



but not the current date on it, and the date is mentioned as "Given under our hands this 20th  day of January 2761 from the founding of Roma."  If I am mistaken, please ignore this message.  

    ATS:  The previous praetores sent this on the indicated date.  As consules, they do not establish standards for the ML, but may moderate it.  As I said, there is a lag period for (re)organization.  Please let people (including the praetores and their staffs) settle down and get a bit of experience.   

Valete,

C Fulvius Severus

Vale, et valete.  

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:48 PM,  <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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All official government documents must appear in English/Latin as well as whatever vernacular languages are relevant.



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II. Topics of discussion

Nova Roman business, community, governmental, religious, and other  state activities

The culture, religion, sociology, politics, history, archaeology, and philosophy of  Roma Antiqua, ancient Greece, the ancient Near East, and other  cultures with which the ancient Romans interacted.

Discussions may sometimes go into subjects beyond these topics, but such digressions should be brief and related to the listed topics. Messages of this kind must be clearly marked as "off topic".



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All on-list exchanges between users of the Nova-Roma mailing list will  follow these rules of civil discourse:

Show respect for others.

Recognize a person's right to advocate ideas that are different from your own.

Discuss policies and ideas without attacking people.

Use helpful, not hurtful language.

Write as you would like to be written to.

Restate ideas when asked.

Write in good faith.

Treat what others have to say as written in good faith.

Respectfully read and consider differing points of view.

When unsure, clarify what you think you have read.

Realize that what you wrote and what people understand you to have written may be different.

Recognize that people can agree to disagree.

Speak and write for yourself, not others.



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The following are forbidden:

Unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE or spam)

References or discussions to material of a sexual nature that are not strictly within  the context of a historical discussion, with citations given, unless the  material is a matter of common knowledge

Links to external websites or files which contain material that might  reasonably be deemed obscene or pornographic.



Insulting the religious beliefs of others, and the historical basis for those beliefs, is off limits.



This edict takes effect immediately.



Given under our hands this 20th  day of January 2761 from the founding of Roma



M. Curiatius Complutensis

M.Iulius Severus



Praetores Novae Romae


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>>>Marca Annia Megas Machinatrix is perfect, a bit long, but

never mind: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Cornelianus Scipio Nasica Serapio would not mind it either. ;-)<<<

 

Yes, I did not question the number of names but, perhaps because I am from NRGallia, the choice of Moderatrix recalls me Astérix or Vercingetorix. ;o)

 

Optime vale.

 

C. Petronius Dexter

Flamen Portunalis

Quaestor praetorianus

M. Moravius Piscinus Horatianus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Bene omnibus nobis

Hodie est die pristini Eidus Ianuarias; haec dies comitialis est:

Coriolanus, Veturina, and Volumnia

The first secession of the Romans, then, terminated as described. Now
many of the neighbouring tribes had taken advantage of the secession
to begin hostilities against them; but the Romans after their
reconciliation conducted vigorously and harmoniously the wars brought
by their enemies and conquered them all. It was at this time that in
the siege of Corioli they came within an ace of being driven from
their very camp; but a patrician, Gnaeus Marcius, showed his prowess
and repelled the assailants. For this he received various marks of
distinction and was given the title of Coriolanus from the people
which he had routed. For the time he was thus exalted, but not long
afterward he was anxious to be made praetor and failed, and therefore
became angry with the populace and evinced displeasure toward the
tribunes. Accordingly, the latter, whose office he was especially
eager to abolish, heaped up accusations against him, fixed upon him a
charge of aiming at tyranny, and exiled him from Rome. So, on being
expelled, he forthwith went over to the Volsci. ~ Cassius Dio 5.16
(Zonaris)

Leading an army of the Volsci and Latins against Rome, the Romans
were divided. The patricians determined to fight, while the plebeian
leaders questioned whether it was not better to give back land that
was wrongfully taken from the Volsci.

But the women, Volumnia, the wife of Coriolanus, and Veturina, his
mother, gathering a company of all the most distinguished matrons,
came to him in camp, bringing his children along with them. And while
the rest wept in silence, Veturina began: "We are not deserters, my
son, but in us the country has sent to you, if you should yield, your
mother and wife and children, but otherwise your spoil. And if even
now you still are angry, kill us first. Be reconciled and harbour no
longer your anger against your countrymen, your friends, your
temples, your tombs; do not take by storm your native place, in which
you were born, were reared, and became Coriolanus, bearer of this
great name. Send me not hence without result, unless you would behold
me dead by my own hand."

At the end of this speech she burst into tears, and tearing open her
clothing, bared her breasts, and touching her belly, exclaimed: "See,
my child, this brought you forth, these reared you up." When she had
thus spoken, his wife and children and the rest of the women joined
in the lament, so that he, too, was overcome with grief. Recovering
himself at length with difficulty, he embraced his mother, and
kissing her the whole, replied: "See, mother, I yield to you. Yours
is the victory, and to you let all the others ascribe this favour.
For I cannot endure even to see those men, who after receiving such
great benefits at my hands have treated me in such a way. Hence I
will never even enter the city. But do you keep your country instead
of me, since you have so wished it; and I will depart out of the way
of you all." With these words he withdrew. For, through fear of the
multitude and shame before his peers, in that he had ever undertaken
an expedition against them, he would not accept even the restoration
offered him, but retired among the Volsci, and there died, either as
the result of a plot or from old age. ~ Cassius Dio 5.18.7-12


Prohibitions on Sacerdotes Eating Beans

"It is not customary for the flamen Dialis to touch, or even to name,
a she-goat, raw flesh, ivy, or beans." ~ Aulus Gellius, Noctes
Atticae 10.15.12

"Why is the customary rule that those who are practicing holy living
must abstain from legumes? Did they, like the followers of
Pythagoras, religiously abstain from beans for the reasons which are
commonly offered, and from which vetch and chickpea suggest Lethe and
Erebus? Or is it rather because one must keep the body clean and
light for purposes of holy living and lustration?" ~ Plutarch,
Questiones Romanae 95

"In our ancient ceremonials, too, bean pottage (fabata) occupies its
place in the religious services of the Gods. Beans are mostly eaten
together with other food, but it is generally thought that they dull
the senses, and cause sleepless nights attended with dreams. Hence it
is that the bean has been condemned by Pythagoras; though, according
to some, the reason for this denunciation was the belief which he
entertained that the souls of the dead are enclosed in the bean: it
is for this reason, too, that beans are used in the funeral banquets
of the Parentalia. According to Varro, it is for a similar cause that
the Flamen abstains from eating beans: in addition to which, on the
blossom of the bean, there are certain letters of ill omen to be
found." ~ C. Plinius Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.12

Beans were associated with the dead. We see Ovid offering beans to
the Manes at Lemuria, and as Pliny has it above, the meal prepared
for the Manes at Parentalia, and at other times, included beans. In
preparation for ritual one altered his diet, eliminating "heavy"
foods like beans, for those, like fruit, that give one a lighter
feeling."


The thought for today comes from L Annaesus Seneca, On Why, though
there is Providence, some Misfortunes befall Good Men 2.6:

"Toward good men God has the mind of a father, he cherishes for them
a manly love, and he says, 'Let them be harassed by toil, by
suffering, by losses, in order that they may gather true strength.'"

A. Tullia Scholastica wrote:

> > Marca Annia Megas Machinatrix is perect, a bit long, but never mind:
> > Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Cornelianus Scipio Nasica Serapio
> > would not mind it either. ;-)
>
> ATS: I hope that all of these do not belong to one person, though I
> know the first four do...

Salve,

They do, or at least did. He was Consul of Rome 52 BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metellus_Scipio

Wikipedia doesn't list Cornelianus, but it does mention that he was
adopted from gens Cornelia by the first bearer of those first four.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

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Salvete!

"See, Hercules drives the Erythean cattle here:
Travelling a long track through the world:
And while he is entertained in the Tegean house,
The untended cattle wander the wide acres.
It was morning: woken from his sleep the Tyrinthian
Saw that two bulls were missing from the herd.
Seeking, he found no trace of the silently stolen beasts:
Fierce Cacus had dragged them backwards into his cave,
Cacus the infamous terror of the Aventine woods,
No slight evil to neighbours and travellers.
His aspect was grim, his body huge, with strength
To match: the monster's father was Mulciber.
He housed in a vast cavern with deep recesses,
So hidden the wild creatures could barely find it.
Over the entrance hung human arms and skulls,
And the ground bristled with whitened bones.
Jupiter's son was leaving, that part of his herd lost,
When the stolen cattle lowed loudly.
`I am recalled" he said, and following the sound,
As avenger, came through the woods to the evil cave,
Cacus had blocked the entrance with a piece of the hill:
Ten yoked oxen could scarcely have moved it.
Hercules leant with his shoulders, on which the world had rested,
And loosened that vast bulk with the pressure.
A crash that troubled the air followed its toppling,
And the ground subsided under the falling weight.
Cacus at first fought hand to hand, and waged war,
Ferociously, with logs and boulders.
When that failed, beaten, he tried his father's tricks
And vomited roaring flames from his mouth:
You'd think Typhoeus breathed at every blast,
And sudden flares were hurled from Etna's fires.
Hercules anticipated him, raised his triple-knotted club,
And swung it three, then four times, in his adversary's face.
Cacus fell, vomiting smoke mingled with blood,
And beat at the ground, in dying, with his chest.
The victor offered one of the bulls to you, Jupiter,
And invited Evander and his countrymen to the feast,
And himself set up an altar, called Maxima, the Mightiest,
Where that part of the city takes its name from an ox." - Ovid, Fasti I

"And the daughter of Ocean, Callirrhoe... bore a son who was the
strongest of all men, Geryones, whom mighty Heracles killed in
sea-girt Erythea for the sake of his shambling oxen." - Hesiod,
Theogony 980

"Answering him the mighty son of immortal Khrysaor and Kallirhoe [Geryon] said, `Do not
with talk of chilling death try to frighten my manly heart, nor (beg me) . . for if I am by
birth immortal and ageless, so that I shall share in life on Olympos, then it is better (to
endure) the reproaches . . and . . to watch my cattle being driven off far from my stalls;
but if, my friend, I must indeed reach hateful old age and spend my life amoing short-
lived mortals far from the blessed gods, then it is much nobler for me to suffer what is
fates than to avoid death and shower disgrace on my dear children and all my race
hereafter-I am Khrysaor's son. May this not be the wish of the blessed gods concerning
my cattle." - Stesichorus, Geryoneis Fragment S11

"It seems the man of those days made it their business to amass wealth of this kind, herds
of horses and cattle, if it is the case that . . . Eurystheus, in view of the reputation of the
Iberian cattle, ordered Herakles to drive off the herd of Geryones. Eryx too, who was
reigning in Sikelia (Sicily), plainly had so violent a desire for the cattle from Erytheia that
he wrestled with Herakles, staking his kingdom on the match against these cattle." - Pausanias, Description of Greece 4. 36. 3

On or about today the Romans celebrated one of the sidebars to the Twelve Labors of
Hercules. Hercules had been ordered to capture the cattle of Geryon, who lived in Erythea
on the westernmost edge of the ocean (Spain). Geryon was the son of Chrysaor, who was
himself born out of the body of the Medusa slain by Perseus, and Callihroe, the daughter
of the titans Tethys and Oceanus. Apparently he had wings, six arms, and six legs, but
still was no match for the hero. After killing Geryon, Hercules had to drag the herd across
Europe back to Greece.

Along the way, at Reghium a bull escaped, swam across the sea to Sicily, then on to the
nearest land. Since the local name for bull was "italus", the peninsula the bull escaped to
was named "Italy".

As Hercules was passing what would be the site of the City of Rome, he was robbed of
two of his cows by Cacus, a fire-breathing, human-eating monster living in a cave under
the Aventine Hill. Cacus, like Mercury before him, walked the two cows backwards into his
cave in an attempt to disguise his crime; it would have worked but as Hercules passed
near the cave the cows began to moo. Hercules killed Cacus (Vergil in Book VIII of the
Aenead says "et angit inhaerens elisos oculos et siccum sanguine guttur" (he squeezed his
head so hard his eyes popped out) and reclaimed his cows - and the site was later to
become the Forum Boarium, the cattle market of Rome.

Valete!

Cato

Lentulus C. Dextro suo sal. >>> You know that it is a Latin tradition, I do not know the English tradition, that masculine word of jobs are full of praise, but the same jobs at their feminine version are full of shame. Because, of course, the vulgar tradition knows only one job to the women, and I guess you understand me. <<< Yes, I fully understand you. It is entirely true for the ancient Roman times. But is it a tradition worthy to continue? I think today Latin words should mean some other things (in some cases) than they meant in the antiquity.   >>> All these masculine words are honest, the feminine version of all these words is morally degrading. So you can not, with Latin people, use the masculine version of a verb to explain its feminine version. <<< The verb "machinari" has no gender. It is not a "masculine version of a verb". From "machinari" one can equally form a noun "machinator" (male) and "machinatrix". (female). We also use "praetrix", "quaestrix", "senatrix". All these are our neologisms: I think that same aplies to "machinatrix".   >>> Of course, the honest Roman women did not work. But we can propose other words as Sollers, Ingeniosa... <<< Remember that keeping as much part of Annia's name as possible is also point to observe. If it is possible, a name taken as one's Roman name must remain for life. Changes can be justified if there is adoption, granted agnomen... or if the name is not correct Latin and does not follow any rule. In our case, Machinatrix is within the requirements. An additional note: Roman cognomina were usually insulting rather than complimentary. So having a cognomen with a *bad* connotation is exactly that kind of thing that we recommand. >>> Yes, I did not question the number of names but, perhaps because I am from NRGallia, the choice of Moderatrix recalls me Astérix or Vercingetorix. ;o) <<< I would say it is not even a choice. She has this name since almost 10 years, so it *is* her Roman name and since it is not bad Latin it should not be allowed to be changed. Her name since years was "Annia Ulleria Machinatrix". This was not good according to the classical onomastic rules. She had two nomina gentilicia, and one of them was her husband's name that may suggest incest. "Ulleria" deleted, reamains "Annia Machinatrix". She needs a praenomen: takes "Marca". As she was not obliged to change her name, she does this as a courtesy to our new rules, as a honorification of the ancients, so she is allowed to make additional minor changes in her name, such as adding "Megas" as her other cognomen because it is her macronational name: and we support and encourage taking macronational Latinized names as cognomen. This is the story of the case.

Lentulus Tulliae suae sal. >>>> "Marca Annia Megas Machinatrix is perect, a bit long, but never mind: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Cornelianus Scipio Nasica Serapio would not mind it either. ;-)"     ATS:  I hope that all of these do not belong to one person, though I know the first four do...<<< But yes. He was known briefly as Metellus Scipio. A man from the family of the Cornelii Scipiones Nasicae Serapiones, that was a sub-branch of the Scipiones Nasicae ehich was again a sub-branch of the Scipio family. He was later adopted into the Metelli Pii, so hence the lots of cognomina. Some reserved their all previous cognomina after adoption,some none. Yes, there were such a long names. PS.: I just received again notifications from your mailbox that you can't receive my private messages...

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as accensii of joint Consular Cohort together with all the obligations and
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