Salvete,   Well, we could have a separate list for minors only, say from ages 12 to 17. They would not be members, but they could get information from us about ancient Rome and all things roman. That way we fan the flame would out letting the fire consumed us, i.e., keep them interested until they are of age to join us and not be accused of "adopting" them or recruiting them. We simply allow them a place to come and ask their questions. We ask nothing of them. We do not inquire into their own private lives. That comes when they are of age and can join us should they want to. We certainly cannot ask them while they are underage. We just share information and nothing more.   Valete in pace Deorum,   Maxima Valeria Messallina Sacerdos Vestalis   --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote: From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 7:36 PM Salve Marine   A very sound position on your part. To do otherwise would certainly also run the risk of Nova Roma being labeled as somehow a whacked out child stealing cult in those parts of the salacious tittle-tattle media. Besides which a republican Roman would have looked very askance at the "state" taking this role upon itself. In respect of the parents of the minor, who could knows if parental permission had been truly granted for the minor to join Nova Roma? If it had been refused and for the parents then to find out that their offspring had defied them and joined Nova Roma and been accepted by us knowing they were a minor and parceled out to new "parents", well I could well imagine a dearth of negative publicity.   Vale bene Cn. Iulius Caesar. From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:23 PM To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis Salve Plauta, Lucia Livia Plauta <cases@freemail. hu> writes: > I think a solution might be not to reject outright underage > applicants, but to "put them up for adoption", and allow them to join > us, but only with an adult NR citizen as their guardian. This would expose Nova Roma to serious legal problems.  I'm not sure  how EU countries would view this, but I am sure that a number of

C. Petronius Valeriae Messalinae s.p.d.,
 

>>> Well, we could have a separate list for minors only, say from

ages 12 to 17. They would not be members, but they could get
information from us about ancient Rome and all things roman.

Minors can not access to the Yahoo main list to question us about
Roman life?

>>> That way we fan the flame would out letting the fire consumed us,

i.e., keep them interested until they are of age to join us and not
be accused of "adopting" them or recruiting them.

Some churches or "religions" are less upright if we look around us,
they for example do not doubt to mutilate little girls or little boys
(even if those mutilations are said traditional) and make them liable
to a real thought control. Some learn all in one book.

But I understand and I share the viewpoint to be cautious against the
accusation of recruiting children because it is easy to say something
devilish when children are in. So they will be not members of Nova
Roma but they will are able to read the main list, I presume.

Optime vale.
C. Petronius Dexter.

C. Petronius Dexter A. Tulliae Scholasticae rogatrici s.p.d.,

> By this edict, I appoint C. Petronius Dexter as scriba for

Latinity. No oath will be required.<

Thank you very much. It is a great honor to me to be involved in the
Latinity of Nova Roma, I will share my knowledges of Latin language
with everybody which wants.

Today some members of the Latin Circle of Paris and I, we meet a
journalist of France Inter in the café La Méthode rue Descartes, in
the quartier Latin near the Pantheon to discuss and debate about the
living Latin and also about the financial crises in Ancient Rome
(Romans did know the subprimes?). ;o)

I will try to have a word with him about Nova Roma.

Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Di vos salvas et servatas volunt.

Hodie est Kalendae Februariae; haec dies nefastus est: DIE QUINTI TE
KALO, IUNO COVELLA: dies natalis aedes Vestae in Foro; Iunoni
Sospitae Matri Regioni; natalis aedes Iovis Tonantis

"On the Kalends of February when Sirius begins to set, then arrives,
with hail, Auster, and Eurinus winds." ~ Columella, De Re Rutica 9.2.5


Juno Februa

The month of February is sacred to Juno Februa, whose temple was
located on the Esquiline Hill near the Temple of Juno Lucina. Februa
is a Goddess of purification, and much of the month is devoted to
purification rites in preparation for the coming of the New Year in
March. In the religio Romana purification has mainly to do with
fulfilling one's obligations to your ancestors. Thus we will see in
the month of Februarius a parentalia performed for ancestors, and the
Feralia that is conducted for other Manes, while festivals for
Terminus and Fornicalia, ancient rites, have much to do with the
ancerstral worship of Di parenti, and of course there are the very
special purification rites of Lupercalia and Quirinalia that are
thought by some to extend back to a period when Rome was still
divided among the Latins on the Palatine Hill and Sabines on the
Quirinal Hill.


Juno Sospita

"At the start of the month, they say, that Juno the Saviour (Sospita),
Neighbouring the Phrygian Mother, was honoured with new shrines.
If you ask where those temples, dedicated to the Goddess
On the Kalends, are now, they are fallen with the lapse of time."
~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.55-58


AUC 556 / 197 BCE: Defeat of the Gallic tribes and vow of a Temple
for Juno Sospita

"When they had raised the required force and completed all the
necessary business, both sacred and secular, both the consuls left
for Gaul. Cornelius took the direct road to the Insubres, who in
conjunction with the Cenomani were in arms; Q. Minucius bent his
course to the left side of Italy towards the Adriatic, and marching
his army to Genua began operations in the direction of Liguria. Two
fortified towns, Clastidium and Litubium, both belonging to the
Ligurians, and two of their communities, the Celeiates and the
Cerdiciates, surrendered. All the tribes on this side the Po were now
reduced except the Boii in Gaul and the Ilvates in Liguria. It was
stated that 15 fortified towns and 20,000 men surrendered.

"From there he led his legions into the country of the Boii, whose
army had not long before crossed the Po. They had heard that the
consuls intended to attack with their united legions, and in order
that they too might consolidate their strength by union they had
formed a junction with the Insubres and Cenomani. When a report
reached them that one of the consuls was firing the fields of the
Boii, a sharp difference of opinion arose; the Boii demanded that all
should render assistance to those who were hard pressed, the Insubres
declared that they would not leave their own country defenceless.
Their forces were accordingly divided; the Boii went off to protect
their country, the Insubres and Cenomani took up a position on the
bank of the Mincius. On the same river, two miles lower down,
Cornelius fixed his camp. From there he sent to make enquiries in
Brixia, their capital. and in their villages, and from what he learnt
he was quite satisfied that it was not with the sanction of their
elders that the younger men had taken up arms, nor had the national
council authorised any assistance being given to the revolted
Insubrians. On learning this he invited their chiefs to a conference
and tried to induce them to break with the Insubres and either return
home or go over to the Romans. He was unable to gain their consent to
the latter proposal, but they gave him assurances that they would
take no part in the fighting, unless occasion should arise, in which
case they would assist the Romans. The Insubres were kept in
ignorance of this compact, but they felt somewhat suspicious as to
the intentions of their allies, and in forming their line they did
not venture to entrust them with a position on either wing lest they
should abandon their ground through treachery and involve the whole
army in disaster. They were accordingly stationed in the rear as a
reserve. At the outset of the battle the consul vowed a temple to
Juno Sospita in case the enemy were routed that day, and the shouts
of the soldiers assured their commander that they would enable him to
fulfil his vow. Then they charged, and the Insubres did not stand
against the first shock. Some authors say that the Cenomani attacked
them from behind while the battle was going on and that the twofold
attack threw them into complete disorder, 35,000 men being killed and
5200 made prisoners, including the Carthaginian general Hamilcar, the
prime instigator of the war. 130 standards were taken and numerous
wagons. Those of the Gauls who had followed the Insubres in their
revolt surrendered to the Romans." ~ Titus Livius 32.29;30

AUC 663 /90 CE: Caecilia Metella and the Temple of Juno Sospita

During the time of the Marsian War, Caecilia Metella, daughter of
Quintus, dreamt that since the women of Rome had taken to using the
Temple of Juno Sospita as a public lavatory, and because a bitch had
whelped her pups at the foot of Her statue, the Goddess had abandoned
the temple, and also planned to leave Rome, prophesizing a series of
disasters, all of which came true. Caecilia asked Juno Sospita to
stay. She cleansed the temple and restored it, inviting the Goddess
to remain, and thereby saved Rome. ~ M. Tullius Cicero, De
Divinatione 1.99


Juno Sospita, the Savior, was the main deity of Lanuvium. She is
generally depicted armed with a shield and spear, Her long gown
covered by a goat skin that is drawn up so as its horns appear on Her
head. In 338 BCE Lanuvium was one of the Latin cities defeated by
Rome, but in surrendering its people were granted Roman citizenship
and their temples restored to them, meaning, too, that these became
Roman temples under authority of Roman pontifes (Livy 8.14). The
Temple of Juno Sospita at Lanuvium is mentioned in various instances
by Livy, drawing upon the Libri Pontifici, where the decemviri sacris
faciudis, on the advice of the Sibylline Oracles, recommended
sacrifices be offered to Her during the war with Hannibal (Livy
21.62; 22.1; 24.10; 29.14). After 197 BCE She was given a temple
residence in Rome itself, just as the junones of other Goddesses had
been brought to Rome from Veii, Carthage, and elsewhere, and Her
temple Lanuvium is not heard of again. Ovid says that a temple for
Her once stood near the Temple of Magna Mater, which was on the
Palatine, but that in his day no such temple for Juno, or else Diana,
stood there. There was, however, a Temple of Juno Sospita in the
Forum Holitorium. Perhaps he meant it was the temple of Magna Mater
adjoining Hers. Magna Mater who had a temple next to that of Juno
Sospita in the Forum Holitorium after She, ave tii oeribn, s her g
arrived, Kuvuus tells how Her barge become low in the water, eve
beached on embankment. Like the Vestal Virgins at Rome and Lavinium,
at Lanuvium Juno Seispita Mater Regina was served by maidens. Into
Her sacred grove at Lanuvium at several times in a year, the virgins
Junoni brought Her barley cakes while they remained blindfolded. If
these were accepted and eaten by serpents that lived in Her sacred
grove, it was interpreted as a sign of the maidens being virgins and
the land fertile, both signs of abundance for the coming year (J. G.
Frazer, Publii Ovidii Nasonis Fastorum Libri, 1929; Vol. 1, pp.296-
297).


AUC 40 / 713 BCE: Dedication of the Temple of Vesta in the Forum

On this day too the grove of Alernus is crowded,
Near where Tiber, from afar, meets the ocean waves.
At Numa's sanctuary, and the Thunderer's on the Capitol,
And on the summit of Jove's citadel, a sheep is sacrificed.
~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.67-70

Alernus was an ancient and obscure deity whose sacred grove was near
where the Tiber emptied into the sea. In his grove dwelt the nymph
Cranae, whom Ovid confused with Carna and Cardea (Ovid, Fasti 6.105-
106. Numa's sanctuary refers to the Temple of Vesta.

"Furthermore it is said that Numa built the Temple of Vesta, where
the perpetual fire was kept, of a circular form, not in imitation of
the shape of the earth, believing Vesta to be the earth, but of the
entire universe, at the centre of which the Pythagoreans place the
element of fire and call it Vesta and Monad. And they hold that the
earth is neither motionless nor situated in the centre of surrounding
space, but that it revolves in a circle about the central fire, not
being one of the most important, nor even one of the primary elements
of the universe. This is the conception, we are told, which Plato
also, in his old age, had of the earth, namely that it is established
in a secondary space, and that the central and sovereign space is
reserved for some other and nobler body." ~ Plutarch, Life of Numa
11.1-2

"[Numa] also chose virgin priestesses for Vesta. This priesthood
originated at Alba and was not therefor alien to the founder of
Rome. So that these priestesses should be able to devote their whole
time to temple service, he provided them with an income from public
funds; he conferred a special sanctity on them by ritual obligations,
including the keeping of their virginity." ~ Titus Livius 1.20.3

"At first, they say, Numa consecrated Gegania and Verania, followed
by Canuleia and Tarpeia. Later Servius added two more, making the
number six that has been maintained up to our present time.It was
ordained by the king that the sacred virgins should vow themselves to
chastity for thirty years; during the first decadethey are to learn
their duties, during the second to perform the duties they have
learned, and during the third to teach their duties to others. Then
the thirty years being now passed, any one who wishes has liberty to
marry and adopt a different mode of life, after laying down her
sacred office. We are told however that few have welcomed the
indulgence, and that those who did so were not happy, but were a prey
to repentance and dejection for the rest of their lives, thereby
inspiring the rest with religious fear, so that until old age and
death they remained steadfast in their virginity. Numa gave them
great honors, among which was the right to make a will during the
lifetime of their father and to deal with their other affairs without
the need for a guardian, like mothers of three children. When they
appear in public, the fasces are carried before them, and if they
accidentally meet a criminal on his way to execution, his life is
spared; but the virgin must make oath that the meeting was
involuntary and fortuitous, and not by design. He who passes under
the litter on which they are borne, is put to death." ~ Plutarch,
Life of Numa 10.1-4


"Thunderous Jupiter Tonans, I pray that finally You may spare me"
(Valerius Flaccus Argonautica 4.474-5).

Finally, then, Ovid refers to the Temple for Jupiter Tonans that was
dedicated on the Capitoline Hill by Augustus after he was narrowly
missed by a lightning bolt while campaigning in Hispania. On the
Capitoline Hill, too, Ovid says that a sheep was sacrificed,
referring to the Kalends of each month, but it is not a sacrifice to
Jupiter Tonans to which he refers.

On the Kalends of each month a sheep was sacrificed to Juno by a
Pontifex Minor at the Curia Calabra (Macrobius, Saturnalia 1.15.18).
Then the Pontifices announced the day on which the Nones would fall,
always eight days before the Ides. Thus it would either be called
out, "die quint te kalo, Iuno Covells" or else, "Septimi die te kalo,
Iuno Covella" to mark the Nones falling on the fifth or the seventh
day of the month (Varro, Linga Latina 6.27).


Our thought for today is from Epicurus, Vatican Sayings 71:

"Question each of your desires: 'What will happen to me if that which
this desire seeks is achieved, and what if it is not?"

Salve!

The Gods are greatest!

How I met with others romans and celebrate together?

I can perfom a roman rite...


Vale Bene!


Gaius Iullus Triarius

Dextro s.d.

>we meet a journalist of France Inter in the café La Méthode rue
>Descartes, (..)
> I will try to have a word with him about Nova Roma.

You have my endorsement as praetor Galliae. Have a good meeting and
please give me info back. :-)

Vale bene,


Albucius
pr. Gal.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
<jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

>
> C. Petronius Dexter A. Tulliae Scholasticae rogatrici s.p.d.,
>
> > By this edict, I appoint C. Petronius Dexter as scriba for
> Latinity. No oath will be required.<
>
> Thank you very much. It is a great honor to me to be involved in

the

> Latinity of Nova Roma, I will share my knowledges of Latin language
> with everybody which wants.
>
> Today some members of the Latin Circle of Paris and I, we meet a
> journalist of France Inter in the café La Méthode rue Descartes, in
> the quartier Latin near the Pantheon to discuss and debate about

the

> living Latin and also about the financial crises in Ancient Rome
> (Romans did know the subprimes?). ;o)
>
> I will try to have a word with him about Nova Roma.
>
> Optime vale.
>
> C. Petronius Dexter
>

Salve Triari!

Welcome to Nova Roma. We have many active citizens in Hispania. I
hope they'll get in contact with you soon.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS


rexantartida <rexantartida@...> writes:

> Salve!
>
> The Gods are greatest!
>
> How I met with others romans and celebrate together?
>
> I can perfom a roman rite...
>
>
> Vale Bene!
>
>
> Gaius Iullus Triarius

P. Aemilia Scaeva M. Valeriae Messalinae omnibusque in grege s.p.d.

Excuse me, this may be a (quite horrified) newbie question.

> We do not inquire into their own private lives. That comes when
> they are of age and can join us should they want to.

Oh, does Nova Roma do that? That makes me _seriously_ reconsider my
participation in here, since I do consider what's going on in my private life
to be entirely my business.

Valete omnes!

P. Aemilia Scaeva

Salve Scaevola,

Amelie Zapf <amy@...> writes:

> P. Aemilia Scaeva M. Valeriae Messalinae omnibusque in grege s.p.d.
>
> Excuse me, this may be a (quite horrified) newbie question.
>
>> We do not inquire into their own private lives. That comes when
>> they are of age and can join us should they want to.
>
> Oh, does Nova Roma do that?

No, we do not. We have quite explicit laws against it. While some
religious offices require some self-disclosure about personal
practices, there is absolutely no requirement for private citizens to
tell us anything at all about their private lives.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salvete, I'm going to jump on top of this newbie question and ask two of my own: What ramifications does joining Nova Roma have in "the real world," if any? Like things involving citizenship status and all that. Also, what are the consequences of not paying taxes, if any? This is being asked because of a lack of money, not to get out of it. Bene Valete, M. Sempronia Pulla --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote: From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 1:08 PM Salve Scaevola, Amelie Zapf <amy@ameliezapf. com> writes: > P. Aemilia Scaeva M. Valeriae Messalinae omnibusque in grege s.p.d. > > Excuse me, this may be a (quite horrified) newbie question. > >> We do not inquire into their own private lives. That comes when >> they are of age and can join us should they want to. > > Oh, does Nova Roma do that? No, we do not. We have quite explicit laws against it. While some religious offices require some self-disclosure about personal practices, there is absolutely no requirement for private citizens to tell us anything at all about their private lives. Vale, CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salve, Marca Sempronia Pulla.

Metrobius wrote:

> What ramifications does joining Nova Roma have in "the real world," if any? Like things involving citizenship status and all that.
>

Presently, no negative effects of Nova Roman citizenship are known. Of
course, it IS possible that we are being "registered" somewhere, but the
odds are most who do this sort of registering would file us under
"mostly harmless".

Practically, our citizenship is closer to membership in a club than
actual citizenship - we are working on making it mean more, but that's a
long-term goal.

> Also, what are the consequences of not paying taxes, if any? This is being asked because of a lack of money, not to get out of it.
>

Your votes will have less impact in the comitia, due to century and
tribe placement. You will become a "capiti censi", the term for the
"disenfranchised" class in Rome, which means you won't be able to run
for office.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

Salve Titus Octavius Pius! Thanks for answering my questions. :) Bene Vale, M. Sempronia Pulla --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Kristoffer From <from@...> wrote: From: Kristoffer From <from@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Newbie Questions To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 1:28 PM Salve, Marca Sempronia Pulla. Metrobius wrote: > What ramifications does joining Nova Roma have in "the real world," if any? Like things involving citizenship status and all that. > Presently, no negative effects of Nova Roman citizenship are known. Of course, it IS possible that we are being "registered" somewhere, but the odds are most who do this sort of registering would file us under "mostly harmless". Practically, our citizenship is closer to membership in a club than actual citizenship - we are working on making it mean more, but that's a long-term goal. > Also, what are the consequences of not paying taxes, if any? This is being asked because of a lack of money, not to get out of it. > Your votes will have less impact in the comitia, due to century and tribe placement. You will become a "capiti censi", the term for the "disenfranchised" class in Rome, which means you won't be able to run for office. Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

Salve Marine,

> No, we do not. We have quite explicit laws against it.

Fine then :-)

Vale bene,

Scaeva

Salvete Omnes,
If I might interject a thought that would seek to accomplish the ends
of educating the youth while including them in a way that does not
pose a problem for Nova Roma. Why not just start a "University"
section on the web where "students" can come, with parental
permission, to learn about ancient Rome. Completion of a course of
instruction would mean a certificate from Nova Roma that the teen
could then hold on to. In this way, you can include them, see that
they have the correct information and open their eyes to the
possibilities and responsibilities of being a citizen in Nova Roma
for when they have attained the correct age to seek membership on
their own.
This negates any "responsibility" of Nova Roma while allowing us to
fulfill an obligation to present facts rather than misconceptions and
wrong impressions. It accomplishes the mission, advances the aims of
Nova Roma while putting forth the real spirit and meaning of being a
Nova Roman citizen. This would also, I believe, do much to dispell
any misgivings parents might have because their children would
actually be learning something and doing it in a fun way without
having to worry about the snares and pitfalls that all kids encounter
today.
As teens become more interested in their studies, we could expand the
courses to include things such as Latin, manners and customs,
religion, etc. As time goes by and a student advances, they become
more interested and can then attend functions accompanied by parent
(s). This leaves the decision to the parents and the child on what to
attend or if to attend. Empowering people goes a long way towards
piquing interest and ensuring success.
As a broad field social studies major myself, if my children showed
an interest in history, I would do all that I could to support and
allow them to learn it, especially if there was an authorative source
for information that I knew could be trusted. It really could be a
win/win scenario that would accomplish all that everyone involved
hopes for.
Thank you for allowing me to once again come before and speak to you
my mind.

Di vos incolumes custodiant,
Marcus Claudius Farlanus

M. Valerius Potitus omnibus SPD.

I encourage everyone to follow the Roman practice of placing your name
at the beginning of your e-mails.

Please see "Latin for E-mails" on the Nova Roma website:
http://novaroma.org/nr/Latin_for_e-mail. Another helpful site is:
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/OM/CSC.html.

Placing your name at the beginning lets your readers know immediately
who the author of the e-mail is. This is helpful, because many people
(like myself) have something other than their Roman names in the
"From" line.

This is also a good opportunity to practice the dative case!

Valete.

M. Valerius Potitus
Quaestor
Aedilis Oppidi Fluminis Gilae

Salve Potite,

M. Valerius Potitus <astrobear@...> writes:

> M. Valerius Potitus omnibus SPD.
>
> I encourage everyone to follow the Roman practice of placing your name
> at the beginning of your e-mails.

There's an old saying about old dogs and new tricks. Some of us have
been using Salve and Vale in our letters for ten years, and aren't
likely to change any time soon.

> M. Valerius Potitus
> Quaestor
> Aedilis Oppidi Fluminis Gilae

Also, since you're so concerned with correctness, you might note that
Romans in antiquity didn't list titles after their names.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salve Pulla,

M. Sempronia Pulla <belovedmetrobius@...> writes:

> What ramifications does joining Nova Roma have in "the real world,"

I see Pius has already provided a very good answer. I'll just add
that I get asked about Nova Roma every year during security reviews.
We had one former magistrate and pontifex who had to leave NR because
his company's security office told him he wouldn't be able to continue
in his job if he remained in NR.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salve Farlane,

Marcus Claudius Farlanus <ghosthunter01@...> writes:

> Why not just start a "University"
> section on the web where "students" can come, with parental
> permission, to learn about ancient Rome.

We already have the Academia Thules. While it's officially not a part
of Nova Roma due to legal considerations, it has a lot of overlap with
Nova Roma including faculty and students who are mostly citizens of
NR. The Academia offers many courses dealing with Roma antiqua.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salve Marinus, Thanks for letting me know about that, especially because I may go back into the government sector. Shame that it affected someone's job. Bene Vale, M. Sempronia Pulla --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote: From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Newbie Questions Re: de Romanis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 3:46 PM Salve Pulla, M. Sempronia Pulla <belovedmetrobius@ yahoo.com> writes: > What ramifications does joining Nova Roma have in "the real world," I see Pius has already provided a very good answer. I'll just add that I get asked about Nova Roma every year during security reviews. We had one former magistrate and pontifex who had to leave NR because his company's security office told him he wouldn't be able to continue in his job if he remained in NR. Vale, CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

Salvete Omnes, Does anyone remember this one website where you could become a person from a given period in ancient history (name and all) and you maintained a relevant page and could join groups and things and even had an avatar? I completely forgot what it was called (Ancient Sites maybe?). I remember being a Roman was particularly popular. If anyone has the means for something like that, it could attract a lot of young people. Like a Nova Roma for minors. I can see problems with that with possible weirdos pretending to be kids and stuff but who knows. Bene Valete, M. Sempronia Pulla --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote: From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 3:49 PM Salve Farlane, Marcus Claudius Farlanus <ghosthunter01@ centurytel. net> writes: > Why not just start a "University" > section on the web where "students" can come, with parental > permission, to learn about ancient Rome. We already have the Academia Thules. While it's officially not a part of Nova Roma due to legal considerations, it has a lot of overlap with Nova Roma including faculty and students who are mostly citizens of NR. The Academia offers many courses dealing with Roma antiqua. Vale, CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

L. Livia Plauta omnibus S.P.D.

Oh, I didn't think my comments on extending citizenship to minors
would raise such a number of issues.

In Europe it's quite common for minors to be members of associations:
they just need a parent's signature. As a child I was member of WWF,
and a local association for the protection of birds. Of course, those
weren't religious associations, but as long as NR isn't a church,
there should be no problems.

Anyway Valeria Messalina's proposal seems sound to me. Actually one
of the arguments brought more often in moderating the main list is
that there are minors on it, so why not let minor applicants in too?
We could tell them: "No, you can't be a citizen yet, but you can join
our mailing lists, where 90% of our social life happens anyway, and
you're welcome, with your parents or with their permission, to join
us at any live provincial activity."

Petroni, the mutilations you talk about are probably an argument
little understood by our American citizens. Ritual mutilation of
little boys is very widespread in North America, and it seems to have
very little to do with religion. In fact, you can bet that most of
the men reading this list have been subjected to it as children.
Some peoples pierce their girl children's ears, and others, oh,
well .... , and neither has to do with religion.
Even the ritual mutilation of little girls has no real connection
with religion.

Oh, sorry: even mentioning this topic is so horrible that I guess
I'll do a sacrifice to Dea Salus, and pray her to preserve every
human being's bodily integrity.

Optime valete omnes,
Livia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
<jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

>
> C. Petronius Valeriae Messalinae s.p.d.,
>  
> >>> Well, we could have a separate list for minors only, say from
> ages 12 to 17. They would not be members, but they could get
> information from us about ancient Rome and all things roman.
>
> Minors can not access to the Yahoo main list to question us about
> Roman life?
>
> >>> That way we fan the flame would out letting the fire consumed

us,

> i.e., keep them interested until they are of age to join us and not
> be accused of "adopting" them or recruiting them.
>
> Some churches or "religions" are less upright if we look around us,
> they for example do not doubt to mutilate little girls or little

boys

> (even if those mutilations are said traditional) and make them

liable

> to a real thought control. Some learn all in one book.
>
> But I understand and I share the viewpoint to be cautious against

the

> accusation of recruiting children because it is easy to say

something

> devilish when children are in. So they will be not members of Nova
> Roma but they will are able to read the main list, I presume.
>
> Optime vale.
> C. Petronius Dexter.
>

Q Caecilius Metellus L Liuiae Plautae Omnibusque salutem dicit.

Just as much as you didn't suspect the issue of extending citizenship would
raise what it has, I didn't suspect my 'epistle' would raise such issues.

Indeed, in saying that we should welcome all Romans, I didn't necessarily intend
that they should become citizens. I'm not opposed to it, of course, but it
wasn't where I was heading with the comment. Similarly, in my mentioning that
we should educate others, I equally meant nothing of citizenship, though again,
I'm not opposed. I think Q Poplicola got the best of what I intended: Romans,
of whatever organisation they choose, are Romans nonetheless, and we should
treat them as such.

Di nos custodiant!

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus

http://hiereus.livejournal.com

Q Caecilius Metellus Romanis Peregrinisque salutem dicit.

Saluete, Fratres Sororesque.

This afternoon I offered to Juno a libation in place of the sacrifice she would
otherwise have received in Antiquity. I have the good fortune of being able to
report that I seem to be having less problems with my toga. Also, I am, I
daresay, elated to report that, though in past offerings I could only report no
ill omens observed, at least one positive sign was received at the conclusion of
this offering.

My usual custom, after the piaculum, is to step backwards away from the altar,
briefly kneel, then clean the area. As I lifted my foot to take the first step,
a cardinal (I'm inclined to believe it specifically a male Northern Cardinal
(cardinalis cardinalis)) passed by, from my left to my right, about 10-15 metres
ahead of me. As it happened, I was facing southwest, the bird then flying from
southeast to northwest. I'm no augur, of course, and the bird was no eagle, but
it's a sign nonetheless. At any rate, I suspect Juno was happy with her
libation today.

Di nos custodiant!

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Pontifex

Valerius Valeriae omnibusque SPD:

I'm in favor of this idea with the exception of it being a list. From
my own experience as a webmaster, youngsters these days respond far
better to forums (especially the classic PHP forums, PHPBB2, SMF,
vBulletin, etc...). An email list like this is actually quite antiquated.

bene ualete!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina
<violetphearsen@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete,
>  
> Well, we could have a separate list for minors only, say from ages

12 to 17. They would not be members, but they could get information
from us about ancient Rome and all things roman. That way we fan the
flame would out letting the fire consumed us, i.e., keep them
interested until they are of age to join us and not be accused of
"adopting" them or recruiting them. We simply allow them a place to
come and ask their questions. We ask nothing of them. We do not
inquire into their own private lives. That comes when they are of age
and can join us should they want to. We certainly cannot ask them
while they are underage. We just share information and nothing more.

>  
> Valete in pace Deorum,
>  
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
> Sacerdos Vestalis
>  
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 7:36 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salve Marine
>  
> A very sound position on your part. To do otherwise would certainly

also run the risk of Nova Roma being labeled as somehow a whacked out
child stealing cult in those parts of the salacious tittle-tattle
media. Besides which a republican Roman would have looked very askance
at the "state" taking this role upon itself. In respect of the parents
of the minor, who could knows if parental permission had been truly
granted for the minor to join Nova Roma? If it had been refused and
for the parents then to find out that their offspring had defied them
and joined Nova Roma and been accepted by us knowing they were a minor
and parceled out to new "parents", well I could well imagine a dearth
of negative publicity.

>  
> Vale bene
> Cn. Iulius Caesar.
>
>
>
>
> From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:23 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis
>
> Salve Plauta,
>
> Lucia Livia Plauta <cases@freemail. hu> writes:
>
> > I think a solution might be not to reject outright underage
> > applicants, but to "put them up for adoption", and allow them to join
> > us, but only with an adult NR citizen as their guardian.
>
> This would expose Nova Roma to serious legal problems.  I'm not sure 
> how EU countries would view this, but I am sure that a number of 
>

M. Hortensia G. Petronio P. Memmioque spd:
un cercle latin à Lutetia, je pousse des larmes d'angoisse et de
envie;-) Amusez-vous bien O Galles érudits.
bene valete
Maior

>
> Dextro s.d.
>
> >we meet a journalist of France Inter in the café La Méthode rue
> >Descartes, (..)
> > I will try to have a word with him about Nova Roma.
>
> You have my endorsement as praetor Galliae. Have a good meeting and
> please give me info back. :-)
>
> Vale bene,
>
>
> Albucius
> pr. Gal.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
> <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter A. Tulliae Scholasticae rogatrici s.p.d.,
> >
> > > By this edict, I appoint C. Petronius Dexter as scriba for
> > Latinity. No oath will be required.<
> >
> > Thank you very much. It is a great honor to me to be involved in
> the
> > Latinity of Nova Roma, I will share my knowledges of Latin

language

> > with everybody which wants.
> >
> > Today some members of the Latin Circle of Paris and I, we meet a
> > journalist of France Inter in the café La Méthode rue Descartes,

in

> > the quartier Latin near the Pantheon to discuss and debate about
> the
> > living Latin and also about the financial crises in Ancient Rome
> > (Romans did know the subprimes?). ;o)
> >
> > I will try to have a word with him about Nova Roma.
> >
> > Optime vale.
> >
> > C. Petronius Dexter
> >
>

Poplicola omnibus sal.

Can anyone explain this a little bit more in detail?

"A: Financial support for a publication and translation of a master's
or doctoral thesis on the "Mater Magna in the Roman Empire" with a
target date of auc 2764 (2011)"

Gratias vobis ago!

Ex officio consularis:

Tax payments for this year, 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), will be accepted until
30th April 2762 a.U.c at 23:59 Roman time.

The Tax Rate Table for 2762 can be found in the Nova Roma web at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII.

Each provincial governor is required to copy this edict to their
provincial lists (where applicable).

This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under my hand this 2nd day of February 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), in
the consulship of M. Curiatius and M. Iulius.

M. Curiatius Complutensis
Consul

Ex officio consularis:

El pago de los Impuestos para este año , 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), será aceptado hasta el 30 de Abril 2762 a.U.c a las 23:59 horas (hora de Roma).

La Tabla con los importes de los Impuestos para 2762 puede ser encontrada en la web de Nova Roma web en http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII.

Los gobernadores provinciales son requeridos para copiar y traducir este edicto en sus respectivas listas provinciales (si existen).

Este edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente.

Dado por mi mano en este 2º dia de Febrero de 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), en el Consulado de M. Curiatius y M.Iulius.


M. Curiatius Complutensis
Consul


Extracto de la tabla de Impuestos para los paises hispano y luso hablantes:

1

Argentina (AR)

Argentina

4,83

16,61 Argentine pesos (ARS)

5

Brazil (BR)

Brasilia

3,43

10,35 Reals (BRL)

8

Chile (CL)

-

5,13

3.106,46 Chilean pesos (CLP)

10	Colombia (CO)	-	3,00	6.844,61 Colombian pesos (COP)
11	Costa Rica (CR)	-	3,97	2.200,00 Costa Rican colones (CRC)

19

Guatemala (GT)

-

1,80

14,03 Quetzales (GTQ)

33

Mexico (MX)

Mexico

4,8

67,39 Mexican pesos (MXN)

38	Panama (PA)	-	3,97	3,97 Balboas (PAB)
39	Peru (PE)	-	3,83	9,01 Nuevo sol (PEN)

41	Portugal (PT)	Hispania	7,33	5,64 Euros (EUR)
42	Puerto Rico (PR)	-	6,23	6,23 US dollars

51

Spain (ES)

Hispania

11,37

8,74 Euros (EUR)

58

Uruguay (UY)

-

4,10

93,48 Uruguayan pesos (UYU)

67

Venezuela (VE)

-

4,67

10,04 Bolivares (VEB)

Ex officio consularis:

Il pagamento  delle Tasse di quest'anno , 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), sará acettato fino al 30 Aprile 2762 a.U.c alle 23:59 ore (ora di Roma).

La Tabella con le Tasse del  2762 si puó trovare nella web de Nova Roma web en http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII.

Si chiede ai governatori provinciali che copino e traducano questo editto nelle loro rispettive liste provinciali.

Questo editto é valido immediatamente.

Dato nel 2º giorno di Febbraio di 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), nel Consolato di M. Curiatius y M.Iulius.


M. Curiatius Complutensis

Consul


Estratto della tabella:

26

Italy (IT)

Italia

10,33

7,94 Euros (EUR)

Ex officio consularis:

Steuerzahlungen fuer das Jahr, 2762 a.U.c. (AD2009), werden bis zum
30.April 2762 a.U.c. , 23:59 Uhr roemischer Zeit akzeptiert.

Die Steuertabelle fuer 2762 a.U.c. kann hier eingesehen werden.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII

Jeder Provinz Gubernator hat dieses Edikt auf seiner Provinz
Webseite (wo zutreffend) zu veroeffentlichen.

Dieses Edikt tritt mit sofortiger Wirkung in Kraft.

Gegeben unter meiner Hand, den 2.Februar2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), im
Konsulat von M. Curiatius and M. Iulius.

M. Curiatius Complutensis
Consul

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum, Quiritibus et omnibus salutem
plurimam dicit: Di vos inculumes custodiant

Hodie est ante diem IIII Nonas Februarias; haec dies fastus aterque
est: sacra Junonis Februae

On this day, for Juno Februa of the door, Romans place roasted spelt
and salt on their doorsills, outside the door, along with offerings
of milk, honey, and water, perhaps a lighted lamp.


"These are the Principles of Law: to live honestly, to harm no one,
and to give each his due." ~ Gaius, De Institutiones Justiniani 1.2


AUC 696 / 57 BCE: Clodius impeaches Milo for employing gladiators

"On the 2nd of February Milo appeared for trial. Pompey came to
support him. Marcellus spoke on being called upon by me. We came off
with flying colours. The case was adjourned to the 7th." ~ M Tullius
Cicero, Epistulum ad Quintum 2.3

Clodius was running for the office of Aedilis. One of his opponents
was Marcellus, who helped defend Milo in this case. Clodius'
objective was really to lend some embarrassment to Cicero, Pompey,
and Milo, as the case he presented against Milo had little
merit.While he was able to rouse the crowds to his favor, he
apparently got the worst of it in the trial.

"After this Clodius attained the aedileship in the year of Philippus
and Marcellinus; for, being anxious to avoid the lawsuit, he had got
himself elected by a political combination. He immediately instituted
proceedings against Milo for providing himself with gladiators,
actually charging him with the very thing he was doing himself and
for which he was likely to be brought to trial. He did this, not in
the expectation of convicting Milo, inasmuch as the latter had many
strong champions, among them Cicero and Pompey, but in order that
under this pretext he might not only carry on a campaign against Milo
but also insult his backers. For example, the following was one of
his devices. He had instructed his clique that whenever he should ask
them in assemblies: 'Who was it that did or said so-and so?' they
should all cry out: 'Pompey!' Then on several occasions he would
suddenly ask about everything that could be taken amiss in Pompey,
either in the way of physical peculiarities or any other respect,
touching upon such topics individually, one at a time, as if he were
not speaking of him particularly. Thereupon, as usually happens in
such cases, some would start up and others would join in with them,
crying 'Pompey!' and there was much jeering. Now Pompey could not
control himself and keep quiet, nor would he stoop to a trick like
that of Clodius, and so he grew exceedingly angry, yet could not
stir; thus nominally Milo was the defendant, but in reality Pompey
was being convicted without even offering a defence. For Clodius, in
order to embarrass him the more, would not allow the lex curiata to
be introduced; and until that was enacted no other serious business
could be transacted in the state or any suit instituted.

"For a season, then, Milo served as an excuse for their taunts and
assassinations. But about this time some portents occurred: on the
Alban Mount a small temple of Juno, set on a kind of table facing the
east, was turned around toward the north; a blaze of light darted
from the south across to the north; a wolf entered the city; an
earthquake occurred; some of the citizens were killed by
thunderbolts; in the Latin territory a subterranean tumult was heard;
and the soothsayers, being anxious to find a remedy, said that some
divinity was angry with them because some temples or consecrated
sites were being used for residence. Then Clodius substituted Cicero
for Milo and not only attacked him vigorously in a speech because the
site of the house he had built upon was dedicated to Liberty, but
even went to it once, with the intention of razing it to the ground;
but he did not do so, as he was prevented by Milo. Cicero, however,
was as angry with him as if he had actually accomplished his purpose,
and kept making accusations. Finally, taking with him Milo and some
tribunes, he ascended the Capitol and took down the tablets set up by
Clodius to commemorate his exile. This time Clodius came up with his
brother Gaius, a praetor, and took them away from him, but later he
watched for a time when Clodius was out of town, and going up to the
Capitol again, took them and carried them home. After this
occurrence no quarter was shown on either side, but they abused and
slandered each other as much as they could, without refraining from
the basest means. The one declared that the tribuneship of Clodius
had been contrary to the laws and that therefore his official acts
were invalid, and the other that Cicero's exile had been justly
decreed and his return unlawfully voted." ~ Dio Cassius 39.18-21


Our thought for today comes from the Discourses of Epictetus 3.10.2:

Let sleep not come upon thy languid eyes
Before each daily action thou hast scann'd;
What's done amiss, what done, what left undone;
From first to last examine all, and then
Blame what is wrong, in what is right rejoice.

Salve!

Quería pedir libros o alguna pagina web, gracias de todos modos.
Que contenga todo, en original de la época romana.

Vale Bene.

Salve

en original y de esta epoca un poco dificil ;-)

En la web de Nova Roma (http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Main_Page) tienes el apartado Religio Romana (Cultus Deorum) donde puedes encontrar almenos una parte de la información que buscas y enlaces a libros.

Vale bene

COMPLVTENSIS

rexantartida escribió:

Salve!

Quería pedir libros o alguna pagina web, gracias de todos modos.
Que contenga todo, en original de la época romana.

Vale Bene.

Ex Officio
EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE SCRIBIS PROROGANDIS

Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas quiritibus
salutem plurimam dicunt.

Extension of Appointments to the Office of citizenship approval

M. Curiatius Complutensis and Marcus Iulius Severus have been a great
help to the office of the Censores dealing with new citizenship
applications.

As they are willing to continue with this service, their appointments
are hereby extended until they decide to step down or until December
31, 2009, whichever comes sooner.

They have the sincere thanks of the Censores for their willingness to
continue to serve.

The Censors also appoint Lucia Herennia Mento and Cocceius Spinula as
Scriba in the Office of citizenship approval.

No oaths are required.

Given under our hands this 2nd day of February 2762 A.U.C. in the
consulships of M. Curiatius and M. Iulius.


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Censores, Novae Romae

Tiberius Horatius Barbatus Quiritibus S.P.D.

New England Conference of Mithraic Studies

The subject event, while not a Nova Roma sponsored event, is one which is certainly of
consideration to those who are interested in the different religions and cults of ancient
Rome. It is a long-enduring event and was one of the first events offered in the Provincia
Nova Britannia. The worship of Mithra was a popular one with the officers and men of the
Legions, and it is believed in some quarters that this religion had a significant impact on
ancient Christianity, in regard to the different aspects of the religion and the way the
Religion was honored and celebrated.

This conference is held in New Haven, CT the 17th through 19th of April, and arranged by Sibylla Ambrosia Fulvia. Current plans call for a scholarly raid on the stacks of Yale
University Library followed by a Bull Feast and evening presentations on Mithraism in the
Imperium Romanum and on allied subjects of interest to students of history.

Convention sessions will be held at the New Haven Courtyard-by-Marriott, about four
blocks from Yale Library. The Courtyard has ample parking on site, a marvelous thing for
downtown in a university town.

I therefore urge any citizen or friend of Nova Roma, who may be interested in Mithraism,
ancient Roman Religions and cults, or just in an opportunity to meet others so interested
for discussions and a good time to consider this event.

For more information, or to register go to the web site:

http://www.mithracon.org/index.html

Gratias

Di vos incolumes custodiant

I notice the new tax rate is US$13.40 (Canada Citerior) but when I went to pay I noticed that it is at a different rate of US$12.73 (last year's?).  Not a huge difference, but may be substantial when considering all Nova Roma.  This occurred last year as well, and I can't recall exactly, but I think not much was made of it.  Should we just go ahead and pay the tax being listed?
 
D•ÆMILIVS•SEVERVS

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:36 AM, MCC <complutensis@...> wrote:

Ex officio consularis:

Tax payments for this year, 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), will be accepted until
30th April 2762 a.U.c at 23:59 Roman time.

The Tax Rate Table for 2762 can be found in the Nova Roma web at
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII.

Each provincial governor is required to copy this edict to their
provincial lists (where applicable).

This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under my hand this 2nd day of February 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), in
the consulship of M. Curiatius and M. Iulius.

M. Curiatius Complutensis
Consul

Maiori s.d.

What I consider what missed the "Galles", I prefer the
word "Gaulois"... ;-)

Vale bene,


Albucius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@...> wrote:
>
> M. Hortensia G. Petronio P. Memmioque spd:
> un cercle latin à Lutetia, je pousse des larmes d'angoisse et de
> envie;-) Amusez-vous bien O Galles érudits.
> bene valete
> Maior
>
> >
> > Dextro s.d.
> >
> > >we meet a journalist of France Inter in the café La Méthode rue
> > >Descartes, (..)
> > > I will try to have a word with him about Nova Roma.
> >
> > You have my endorsement as praetor Galliae. Have a good meeting
and
> > please give me info back. :-)
> >
> > Vale bene,
> >
> >
> > Albucius
> > pr. Gal.
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
> > <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter A. Tulliae Scholasticae rogatrici s.p.d.,
> > >
> > > > By this edict, I appoint C. Petronius Dexter as scriba for
> > > Latinity. No oath will be required.<
> > >
> > > Thank you very much. It is a great honor to me to be involved
in
> > the
> > > Latinity of Nova Roma, I will share my knowledges of Latin
> language
> > > with everybody which wants.
> > >
> > > Today some members of the Latin Circle of Paris and I, we meet
a
> > > journalist of France Inter in the café La Méthode rue
Descartes,
> in
> > > the quartier Latin near the Pantheon to discuss and debate
about
> > the
> > > living Latin and also about the financial crises in Ancient
Rome
> > > (Romans did know the subprimes?). ;o)
> > >
> > > I will try to have a word with him about Nova Roma.
> > >
> > > Optime vale.
> > >
> > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > >
> >
>

Maior Albucio spd;
lol, mon cher Albuci, I shall employ Gaulois for sure;-) in your
case is this possible?: optimus vir Caenus.
valeas
Maior

>
> Maiori s.d.
>
> What I consider what missed the "Galles", I prefer the
> word "Gaulois"... ;-)
>
> Vale bene,
>
>
> Albucius
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@> wrote:
> >
> > M. Hortensia G. Petronio P. Memmioque spd:
> > un cercle latin à Lutetia, je pousse des larmes d'angoisse et de
> > envie;-) Amusez-vous bien O Galles érudits.
> > bene valete
> > Maior
> >
> > >
> > > Dextro s.d.
> > >
> > > >we meet a journalist of France Inter in the café La Méthode

rue

> > > >Descartes, (..)
> > > > I will try to have a word with him about Nova Roma.
> > >
> > > You have my endorsement as praetor Galliae. Have a good meeting
> and
> > > please give me info back. :-)
> > >
> > > Vale bene,
> > >
> > >
> > > Albucius
> > > pr. Gal.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
> > > <jfarnoud94@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter A. Tulliae Scholasticae rogatrici s.p.d.,
> > > >
> > > > > By this edict, I appoint C. Petronius Dexter as scriba for
> > > > Latinity. No oath will be required.<
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much. It is a great honor to me to be involved
> in
> > > the
> > > > Latinity of Nova Roma, I will share my knowledges of Latin
> > language
> > > > with everybody which wants.
> > > >
> > > > Today some members of the Latin Circle of Paris and I, we

meet

> a
> > > > journalist of France Inter in the café La Méthode rue
> Descartes,
> > in
> > > > the quartier Latin near the Pantheon to discuss and debate
> about
> > > the
> > > > living Latin and also about the financial crises in Ancient
> Rome
> > > > (Romans did know the subprimes?). ;o)
> > > >
> > > > I will try to have a word with him about Nova Roma.
> > > >
> > > > Optime vale.
> > > >
> > > > C. Petronius Dexter
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I know. One has to thread very carefully where minors are concerned.   M. Valeria Messallina --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote: From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 9:32 PM Salve Messallina.   I have to say anything other than the current policy on minors makes me very uneasy. I see the merit in your proposal, but I am still left with the feeling that this is one policy best left as it is.   Vale bene Cn. Iulius Caesar From: Maxima Valeria Messallina Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:39 PM To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis Salvete,   Well, we could have a separate list for minors only, say from ages 12 to 17. They would not be members, but they could get information from us about ancient Rome and all things roman. That way we fan the flame would out letting the fire consumed us, i.e., keep them interested until they are of age to join us and not be accused of "adopting" them or recruiting them. We simply allow them a place to come and ask their questions. We ask nothing of them. We do not inquire into their own private lives. That comes when they are of age and can join us should they want to. We certainly cannot ask them while they are underage. We just share information and nothing more.   Valete in pace Deorum,   Maxima Valeria Messallina Sacerdos Vestalis   --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 7:36 PM Salve Marine   A very sound position on your part. To do otherwise would certainly also run the risk of Nova Roma being labeled as somehow a whacked out child stealing cult in those parts of the salacious tittle-tattle media. Besides which a republican Roman would have looked very askance at the "state" taking this role upon itself. In respect of the parents of the minor, who could knows if parental permission had been truly granted for the minor to join Nova Roma? If it had been refused and for the parents then to find out that their offspring had defied them and joined Nova Roma and been accepted by us knowing they were a minor and parceled out to new "parents", well I could well imagine a dearth of negative publicity.   Vale bene Cn. Iulius Caesar. From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:23 PM To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis Salve Plauta, Lucia Livia Plauta <cases@freemail. hu> writes: > I think a solution might be not to reject outright underage > applicants, but to "put them up for adoption", and allow them to join > us, but only with an adult NR citizen as their guardian. This would expose Nova Roma to serious legal problems.  I'm not sure  how EU countries would view this, but I am sure that a number of

I was told they could not.   M. Valeria Messallina --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Gaius Petronius Dexter <jfarnoud94@...> wrote: From: Gaius Petronius Dexter <jfarnoud94@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 9:58 PM C. Petronius Valeriae Messalinae s.p.d.,   >>> Well, we could have a separate list for minors only, say from ages 12 to 17. They would not be members, but they could get information from us about ancient Rome and all things roman. Minors can not access to the Yahoo main list to question us about Roman life? >>> That way we fan the flame would out letting the fire consumed us, i.e., keep them interested until they are of age to join us and not be accused of "adopting" them or recruiting them. Some churches or "religions" are less upright if we look around us, they for example do not doubt to mutilate little girls or little boys (even if those mutilations are said traditional) and make them liable to a real thought control. Some learn all in one book. But I understand and I share the viewpoint to be cautious against the accusation of recruiting children because it is easy to say something devilish when children are in. So they will be not members of Nova Roma but they will are able to read the main list, I presume. Optime vale. C. Petronius Dexter.

Ah, you read far too much into what I said. I meant to imply we cannot ask children about their homes, where they go to school, those sorts of things, lest we be accused of less than appropiate attention. Once they are adults, that is no longer an issue. No one is going to pry into your private life. No one is going to ask you a single question unless you want to enter one of the priesthoods. That is different. Now please calm down.   M. Valeria Messallina --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Amelie Zapf <amy@...> wrote: From: Amelie Zapf <amy@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 5:00 AM P. Aemilia Scaeva M. Valeriae Messalinae omnibusque in grege s.p.d. Excuse me, this may be a (quite horrified) newbie question. > We do not inquire into their own private lives. That comes when > they are of age and can join us should they want to. Oh, does Nova Roma do that? That makes me _seriously_ reconsider my participation in here, since I do consider what's going on in my private life to be entirely my business. Valete omnes! P. Aemilia Scaeva

Oh this sounds very promising.   M. Valeria Messallina --- On Sun, 2/1/09, mwaldenberger <ghosthunter01@...> wrote: From: mwaldenberger <ghosthunter01@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 6:04 AM Salvete Omnes, If I might interject a thought that would seek to accomplish the ends of educating the youth while including them in a way that does not pose a problem for Nova Roma. Why not just start a "University" section on the web where "students" can come, with parental permission, to learn about ancient Rome. Completion of a course of instruction would mean a certificate from Nova Roma that the teen could then hold on to. In this way, you can include them, see that they have the correct information and open their eyes to the possibilities and responsibilities of being a citizen in Nova Roma for when they have attained the correct age to seek membership on their own. This negates any "responsibility" of Nova Roma while allowing us to fulfill an obligation to present facts rather than misconceptions and wrong impressions. It accomplishes the mission, advances the aims of Nova Roma while putting forth the real spirit and meaning of being a Nova Roman citizen. This would also, I believe, do much to dispell any misgivings parents might have because their children would actually be learning something and doing it in a fun way without having to worry about the snares and pitfalls that all kids encounter today. As teens become more interested in their studies, we could expand the courses to include things such as Latin, manners and customs, religion, etc. As time goes by and a student advances, they become more interested and can then attend functions accompanied by parent (s). This leaves the decision to the parents and the child on what to attend or if to attend. Empowering people goes a long way towards piquing interest and ensuring success. As a broad field social studies major myself, if my children showed an interest in history, I would do all that I could to support and allow them to learn it, especially if there was an authorative source for information that I knew could be trusted. It really could be a win/win scenario that would accomplish all that everyone involved hopes for. Thank you for allowing me to once again come before and speak to you my mind. Di vos incolumes custodiant, Marcus Claudius Farlanus

Salve, Marinus   I once sent several emails to the Academia and never got a reply. I wanted to take classes but they were completely unresponsive. I finally gave up. I like the university idea and I think it should be part of Nova Roma so we can monitor it, because if parents have the same problems I had, no one is going to let their child take instruction there.   M. Valeria Messallina --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote: From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 7:49 AM Salve Farlane, Marcus Claudius Farlanus <ghosthunter01@ centurytel. net> writes: > Why not just start a "University" > section on the web where "students" can come, with parental > permission, to learn about ancient Rome. We already have the Academia Thules. While it's officially not a part of Nova Roma due to legal considerations, it has a lot of overlap with Nova Roma including faculty and students who are mostly citizens of NR. The Academia offers many courses dealing with Roma antiqua. Vale, CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

List, site, forums, university, whatever. Just as long as we have something for them.   M. Valeria Messallina --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...> wrote: From: Q. Valerius Poplicola <catullus.poeta@...> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 11:54 AM Valerius Valeriae omnibusque SPD: I'm in favor of this idea with the exception of it being a list. From my own experience as a webmaster, youngsters these days respond far better to forums (especially the classic PHP forums, PHPBB2, SMF, vBulletin, etc...). An email list like this is actually quite antiquated. bene ualete! --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina <violetphearsen@ ...> wrote: > > Salvete, >   > Well, we could have a separate list for minors only, say from ages 12 to 17. They would not be members, but they could get information from us about ancient Rome and all things roman. That way we fan the flame would out letting the fire consumed us, i.e., keep them interested until they are of age to join us and not be accused of "adopting" them or recruiting them. We simply allow them a place to come and ask their questions. We ask nothing of them. We do not inquire into their own private lives. That comes when they are of age and can join us should they want to. We certainly cannot ask them while they are underage. We just share information and nothing more. >   > Valete in pace Deorum, >   > Maxima Valeria Messallina > Sacerdos Vestalis >   > > > --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@ ...> wrote: > > > From: Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@ ...> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 7:36 PM > > > > > > > > Salve Marine >   > A very sound position on your part. To do otherwise would certainly also run the risk of Nova Roma being labeled as somehow a whacked out child stealing cult in those parts of the salacious tittle-tattle media. Besides which a republican Roman would have looked very askance at the "state" taking this role upon itself. In respect of the parents of the minor, who could knows if parental permission had been truly granted for the minor to join Nova Roma? If it had been refused and for the parents then to find out that their offspring had defied them and joined Nova Roma and been accepted by us knowing they were a minor and parceled out to new "parents", well I could well imagine a dearth of negative publicity. >   > Vale bene > Cn. Iulius Caesar. > > > > > From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:23 PM > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: de Romanis > > Salve Plauta, > > Lucia Livia Plauta <cases@freemail. hu> writes: > > > I think a solution might be not to reject outright underage > > applicants, but to "put them up for adoption", and allow them to join > > us, but only with an adult NR citizen as their guardian. > > This would expose Nova Roma to serious legal problems.  I'm not sure  > how EU countries would view this, but I am sure that a number of  >

Salve et salvete

the payments must be made in US Dollars (Canada Citerior = USD 13.40). The rate in other currencies is only for informative purposes.

Vale et valete

M. Curiatius Complutensis
Consul

D. Aemilus Severus escribió:

I notice the new tax rate is US$13.40 (Canada Citerior) but when I went to pay I noticed that it is at a different rate of US$12.73 (last year's?).  Not a huge difference, but may be substantial when considering all Nova Roma.  This occurred last year as well, and I can't recall exactly, but I think not much was made of it.  Should we just go ahead and pay the tax being listed?
 
D•ÆMILIVS•SEVERVS

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:36 AM, MCC <complutensis@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ex officio consularis:

Tax payments for this year, 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), will be accepted until
30th April 2762 a.U.c at 23:59 Roman time.

The Tax Rate Table for 2762 can be found in the Nova Roma web at
http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Tax_ rate_MMDCCLXII.

Each provincial governor is required to copy this edict to their
provincial lists (where applicable).

This edict takes effect immediately.

Given under my hand this 2nd day of February 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), in
the consulship of M. Curiatius and M. Iulius.

M. Curiatius Complutensis
Consul

It would be a big help to the Nova Roma article on Wikipedia if there
would be a published program guide, or even a mention on their web
site (if any) that might include a reference to Nova Roma. We are in
dire need of citations, especially to printed works, but a broadcast
schedule would be good too.

MLA



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Petronius Dexter"
<jfarnoud94@...> wrote:

>
> C. Petronius M. Hortensiae s.p.d.,
>
> Galles was the priests of Magna Mater and generally emasculated. I

am only a whole flamen of Portune with his whirlygigs (I found an old
and funny word to say family jewels, but as I do not know the level of
the English language I hope that I am fine and polite by using this
word). So, as P. Memmius I prefer the people name Gaulois. ;o)

>
> So, monday 1st February at 16h30 pm (GMT+1) 3 other members of the

Latin circle of Paris and I, we were interviewed by a student in
journalism of the journalistical school of Lille, our interview will
be broadcoasted on radio France Inter in these two weeks on an
afternoon. He will give us the day.

>
> We explain our love for the living Latin, for using as common and

usual language the Latin. If the chearman of the Circle, Daniel,
trully speaks an easy Latin, I am learning to speak and I often
hesitate because my practice is recent. By the way, the journalist
asked us if we had some experiences of using the living Latin language
and, of course, I said that I am a member of Nova Roma and I could
speak Latin with a Nova Roman citizen, more especially a Latin teacher
of Hungary with Spyke.

>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Irus et est subito qui modo Croesus erat.
>

C. Petronius Quiritibus s.p.d.,

> The Tax Rate Table for 2762 can be found in the Nova Roma web at
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII.

We can see that the yearly taxes level is from $ 0,73 in Nigeria to $
33,67 in Qatar.

So the recent proposal to classify citizens in classes by taxes is very
unfair. Because if we propose a taxe at $ 30 to be equestrian, a
Qatarian citizen is already equestrian and a Nigerian would have to
mortgage his house.

Valete.

C. Petronius Dexter

Lentulus Petronio suo sal. >>> We can see that the yearly taxes level is from $ 0,73 in Nigeria to $ 33,67 in Qatar. So the recent proposal to classify citizens in classes by taxes is very unfair. Because if we propose a taxe at $ 30 to be equestrian, a Qatarian citizen is already equestrian and a Nigerian would have to mortgage his house. <<< No, no, not at all. This is not what the proposal says. The equestrian would have to pay the double of the assiduus tax. It means two times tax that he would have to pay as a plain assiduus. (The ratio, however, is not fixed in the proposal, I said either duplex or triplex as a moderate suggestion.) So in this case the Qatarian should have to pay 67,34 $ for equestrian status, the Nigerian 1.46 $. But as I'm seeing the tax rates and these results, I'm coming nearer and nearer to the opinion of those who think that a minimum level of taxes should be fixed. I think the minimum tax rate should have to be no less 5 $ even in the poorest countries. (Perhaps a maximum level should equally be set up as 20 or 30 $...)

Lentulus Petronio suo optimo sal. >>> So, monday 1st February at 16h30 pm (GMT+1) 3 other members of the Latin circle of Paris and I, we were interviewed by a student in journalism of the journalistical school of Lille, our interview will be broadcoasted on radio France Inter in these two weeks on an afternoon. He will give us the day. <<< Congratulation to this! This is a really great event!   >>> We explain our love for the living Latin, for using as common and usual language the Latin. If the chearman of the Circle, Daniel, trully speaks an easy Latin, I am learning to speak and I often hesitate because my practice is recent. By the way, the journalist asked us if we had some experiences of using the living Latin language and, of course, I said that I am a member of Nova Roma and I could speak Latin with a Nova Roman citizen, more especially a Latin teacher of Hungary with Spyke. <<< That would be me? ;-) Vale! Lentulus

Cn. Lentulus pontifex Valeriae Mesalinae virgini Vestali maximae sal. >>> I once sent several emails to the Academia and never got a reply. I wanted to take classes but they were completely unresponsive. I finally gave up. I like the university idea and I think it should be part of Nova Roma so we can monitor it, because if parents have the same problems I had, no one is going to let their child take instruction there. <<< Very much agreed. Nova Roma needs its own university. The cooperation between Nova Roma and Academia Thules is more than wonderful and the members of the Academia did a fantastic job during these years, but they themselves claim that they aren't part of Nova Roma. It implicitly means that we still need a university that is part of Nova Roma. I'm all for this project, and in fact, last year I wanted to start something with teaching Latin in Nova Roma, I consulted with Avitus and some citizens. We would need some teachers for Latin, Roman religion, philosophy, history, law etc... This is the problem...

Ex officio consularis Hispaniae:

De acuerdo con el Edicto Consular se ha fijado el pago de las tasas
anuales para España y Portugal en 11,37 y 7,33 Dolares USA
respectivamente. Estas tasas pueden pagarse a partir de ahora y hasta el
día 30 de Abril.

La Tabla oficial con los importes de los Impuestos para 2762 puede ser
encontrada en la web de Nova Roma web en
http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII
<http://www.novaroma.org/nr/ES:Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII>

I- Pago directo a Nova Roma

Los pagos han de realizarse exclusivamente en Dolares USA y pueden
realizarse directamente mediante Paypal o Cheque Internacional de
acuerdo con las instrucciones que figuran en la pagina web arriba citada.

II- Pago a través del Gobernador Provincial

El Edicto Consular establece que para facilitar el pago en Euros y
evitar gastos de transferencia los gobernadores provinciales están
autorizados para recaudar dichas tasas y hacer un pago único al Tesoro
de Nova Roma.

Por ello los ciudadanos de la Provincia Hispania de Nova Roma que deseen
pagar sus impuestos a través del gobernador provincial podrán hacerlo
de acuerdo con la siguiente tabla:

*Los ciudadanos residentes en España deberán transferir o ingresar 9 Euros.

*Los ciudadanos residentes en Portugal deberán transferir o ingresar 7
Euros.

Ya que el pago a Nova Roma ha de realizarse única y exclusivamente en
Dolares USA, que los cambios indicados en la Tabla oficial son meramente
orientativos y debido a las fluctuaciones del cambio que experimenta
esta divisa, se ha establecido un redondeo destinado a cubrir posibles
fluctuaciones al alza del cambio de divisa y los gastos de transferencia
internacional.

III- Pago en la Regio Lusitaniae

Por este Edicto se autoriza expresamente al Praefectus Regionis
Lusitaniae Gaius Cocceius Spinula para que recaude los impuestos de la
Regio Lusitaniae y luego los transfiera al Tesoro Provincial. Los
ciudadanos de la Regio Lusitaniae deberán contactar con el Praefectus
Regionis para ultimar los detalles del pago.

IV- Forma de realizar el pago

Todos los ciudadanos que deseen pagar sus impuestos a través del Tesoro
Provincial deberán remitirme un correo privado para poder comunicarles
la forma y detalles de como ha de realizarse el pago.

Este edicto entra en vigor inmediatamente.

Dado por mi mano en este Tercer día de Febrero de 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009),
en el Consulado de M. Curiatius y M.Iulius.


M. Curiatius Complutensis

Cónsul

C Marcius Crispus Q. Valerius Poplicola omnibusque S.P.D.

- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Valerius Poplicola" wrote:

>
>> Can anyone explain this a little bit more in detail?
>
> "A: Financial support for a publication and translation of a master's
> or doctoral thesis on the "Mater Magna in the Roman Empire" with a
> target date of auc 2764 (2011)"
>

The idea, as I understand it, is to provide financial support for an academic study and published report about Magna Mater. MM is not widely known, even among academics, so the idea is that in addition to the other activities, we should support a scheme to increase awareness amongst academics.

Because this would be a learned thesis, and because Nova Roma sponsored it, NR would gain an amount of credence among the academics. This might encourage academics to look favourably upon NR, perhaps becoming members. And NR would gain acceptance among academics for other projects, so this could be a win- win situation.

Problem is I have no idea who these academics are or how we contact them, or what has already been done. Perhaps we could put a suitable invitation in an academic journal, asking for anyone interested to contact us.

If the thesis could also appear in one of the popular archaelogy magazines, with some mention of NR as the sponsors, this would again increase awareness of NR and encourage applications for membership.

But I don't know of any progress.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

 

Vale et valete optime

 

Crispus

 

 

Cn. Iulius Caesar aed. Quiritibus sal.

CURULE AEDILE EDICT 62-07: APPOINTMENT AND DISMISSAL OF SCRIBAE

I hereby appoint the following two citizens as scribes, to be assigned
to one or more of the five work groups within the Cohors Aedilicia. No
oath is required of them. Further appointments may follow.

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
Quintus Fabius Labeo

I hereby formally dismiss the following scribe:

Marcus Aelius Severus

This is due to his having had to relinquish his duties owning to an
unexpected new employmemnt opportunity that sadly severely limits his
access to the internet for the next two years. He has my gratitude for
his willingness to serve the res publica.

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Dum tempus habemus operemur bonum

Hodie est ante diem III Nonas Februarias; haec dies nefastus est.

"When half of Leo and all of Canis have set, then Corus, or
Septentrio, sometimes Favonius, begin to arrive." ~ Columella, De Re
Rustica 9.2.13

"During the latter days of this period, whenever the nature of the
weather will allow it, the ground should be turned up with the double
mattock, for planting the rose and the vine – sixty men to a iugerum.
Ditches, too, should be cleared out, or new ones made; and the time
of day-break may be usefully employed in sharpening iron tools,
fitting on handles, repairing such dolia wine vats as may have
been broken, and rubbing and cleaning their staves." ~ Plinius
Secundus, Historia Naturalis 18.64

Purification

"May they approach the Gods and Goddesses while pure and chaste,
bringing piety, and leaving riches behind. Whosoever should do
otherwise, will be avenged upon by the God Himself."

"That is, purity of mind, for everything is included by that. This
does not remove the requirement of bodily purityÂ…for in the former
case impurity is removed by the sprinkling of water or the passage of
a certain number of days, but a mental stain can neither be blotted
out by the passage of time nor washed away by any stream." ~ M.
Tullius Cicero, De Legibus 2.8.19; 2.10.24-25

February is a month of preparation and of purification. March begins
the new year. We are advised to use this month to prepare the tools
needed to work farms, to prepare the soil when we can, as Columella
and Pliny wrote above, and we are also advised to prepare our selves
for a new year spent in service to the Gods. As we progress through
this month we shall come upon different rites and festivals that are
tied into a theme of purification. Of first importance, though, is
purity of mind. Cicero, above, was speaking on his idealized state
and on the religion that he thought would best serve his Republic.
He openly acknowledged that in some ways he modeled his idealized
religion on the religio Romana, stripped down, though, from what he
considered politically dangerous. On this one point that
purification must begin with a purity of mind, he echoed what was
normally thought in the religions of the Mediterranean. A
contemporary of Cicero's, a young poet and playwright who died in the
year following Cicero's consulship, inspired such later poets as
Horace as well as elderly statesmen like Julius Caesar and Cicero.
Persius wrote:

"Rightly, what is proper and just to offer the Gods are holiness of
mind and purity of heart in the deepest recesses of our being." ~
Aules Persius Flaccus, Satura 2.73-75

A little more than a hundred years later we find Pliny the Younger
adding his comments. Today we know of him through his letters, one
in which he described the events of Vesuvius destroying Pompeii,
Herculaneum, and Stabia, and with the death of his uncle, Pliny the
Elder. In his own time, he made his name as a trial lawyer, along
with his friend Tacitus, in a famous case in North Africa, and later
went on to become a Consul and Proconsul in Asia under the emperor
Trajan. In his day it was typical to offer flowery praises. In one
that he wrote we find the sentiment:

"The Gods rejoice more in the innocence of worshippers than in
elaborate prayers; the man who enters their temples with a pure heart
is more agreeable to them than one who recites a carefully prepared
litany." ~ C. Plinius Caecilius Secundus, Panegyricus 3

These ideas on first attaining a pure and guiltless mind were not
solely the expressions of a literary elite. They were ideas that
were fostered by the temples. Every temple had its own lex templi
that described what rites were permitted within their boundaries.
These were written on walls and spoken aloud. Typical lex templi
included rules of conduct, ethics, and moral prohibitions. This was
true in the temple precincts of Rome and in other cities, in the
religio Romana and in the religions of the Greeks and that of
Egyptians. An example of these comes from a Greek temple at
Philadelphia, dated to the first century BCE, with rules denoting
what would make a person impure, rules that are probably familiar to
everyone in one form or another:


"To observe the purification and cleansing rites, and offer the
sacrifices in accordance with ancestral rites and as now practiced.
Those who enter this house [i.e., temple], both men and women, both
bound and free, are to take oath before all the gods that, conscious
of no guile toward man or woman, they will not administer an evil
drug to men, nor will they learn or practice wicked charms, nor give
any philter, or any abortive or contraceptive drug, nor commit
robbery or murder, either carrying it out themselves or advising
another or acting as witness, nor overlook complacently those who rob
[or withhold offerings] in this house; and if anyone shall do any of
these things or advise them, they will not consent or pass over it in
silence, but will bring it out into the open and see that the crime
is punished.

"A man is not to take another woman in addition to his own wife,
either a free woman or a slave who has a husband, nor is he to
corrupt either a child [boy] or virgin, nor is he to counsel another
to do so; but if he should witness anyone doing such, he must not
hide it or keep silent. Woman and man, whoever does any of the
things above written, let them not enter this house. For the gods who
dwell here are mighty and watch over these things and will not hold
back punishment from those who transgress their commandments. A free
woman is to be pure and is not to know bed or intercourse with any
man other than her own husband. If she does she shall not be pure,
but is defiled and full of corruption within her family and is
unworthy to worship this god for whom these rites were established,
or to offer sacrifices, or to . . . [about 12 lines missing] to
stumble upon or to see the mysteries observed above. If anyone does
any of these things with which the commandments here copied have to
do, terrible curses from the gods will come upon those who disregard
them. For God does not by any means will that these things should
come to pass, nor does he desire it, but to obey [i.e., God wants
obedience, not to punish].

"To those who obey the gods will be gracious and will always be
giving them everything good, such as the gods desire to give men they
love. But if any transgress, they will hate such persons and lay
upon them great penalties."


Our thought for day comes from the Vatican Sayings 5, by Epicurus:

"It is not possible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and
honorably and justly, and it is not possible to live wisely and
honorably and justly without living pleasantly. Whenever any one of
these is lacking, when, for instance, the man is not able to live
wisely, though he lives honorably and justly, it is impossible for
him to live a pleasant life."

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus Pontifex et flamen Cerialis S.P.D.

I would like to interrupt this debate to add my two asses (or obols).  The Dii Immortales, Dii Indigetes, Dii Infernii, et cetera are Italic Gods and have attributes and aspects that are different from the Greek Gods of Olympus.  Of course, as Roma extended its influence over the other cultures of Italia, there was some mixing of ideas.  My own cultus of Ceres was a Roman cultus but there were practices of the Greek ritus that were later attached to it as Roma spread into the south.

Neptunus was the God of hidden springs and irrigation but as time progressed, He became associated with Poseidon's spheres of the sea and horses.  There are altars to Neptunus near the Circus in Roma but I doubt it was for the purpose of irrigation.  Mars was originally a God of Agriculture, then of cavalry and, by the actions of Augustus, righteous warfare.  Mars was never equated with Ares who had only one temple in Greece and whose sphere of influence was all war & in whose train were Discord, Panic, Famine, and Oblivion.  The Greek Ares had more in common with the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse than with Mars Gravidus or Mars Ulthior.

Now Apollo and the Dioscuri are essentially Greek Gods although the former was introduced to Rome as Apollo Medicus rather than as Apollo Far-shooter.

The beauty of the Sacra et Religio is the syncretic nature of the Dii because They can be associated with many other gods according to their aspects and attributes.

Valete.


-----Original Message-----
From: phoenixfyre17 <phoenixfyre17@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:29 am
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Religio Hellenica?

I join my hand to Quintus Fabio and agree with him completely.

Fl. Galerius Aurelianus


-----Original Message-----
From: QFabiusMaxmi@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: SOCIAL REFORM AND TWO-TIER TAXATION SYSTEM

Salve,

M. Hortensia G. Petronio spd;
comme vous me faisez rire, cet mot, whirlygigs c'est charmant, badin,
et vous etes au meme temps savant et plien d'espieglerie [je deteste
cet dictionnaire nouvel; ou sont les mots d'antan? I used to know at
least 5 words for wit in French]

But this is really marvellous, the interview. Will it be broadcast
online please tell me Dexter, as I would love to listen to it.

Is this Daniel a classicist? What truly makes me happy is to see Latin
once again become the language of not the specialist but the vir
optimus urbanus around the world, In your case mixed with that
lightness, that witty playfulness that the French are so famous for.

As for our mutual friend in Pannonia, I spoke to him via google chat
and the sound was so pure, much better than skype. It's free, you just
need a google email account and you download the software. Write to me
if you need to know more.

Nova Roma and Latin, on French radio, it's great to see such dreams
coming true....
valeas mon cher gaulois, and forgive the lack of
accents, I'm writing via Linux and have not discovered where they've
hid them;-)

> Galles was the priests of Magna Mater and generally emasculated. I

am only a whole flamen of Portune with his whirlygigs (I found an old
and funny word to say family jewels, but as I do not know the level of
the English language I hope that I am fine and polite by using this
word). So, as P. Memmius I prefer the people name Gaulois. ;o)

>
> So, monday 1st February at 16h30 pm (GMT+1) 3 other members of the

Latin circle of Paris and I, we were interviewed by a student in
journalism of the journalistical school of Lille, our interview will
be broadcoasted on radio France Inter in these two weeks on an
afternoon. He will give us the day.

>
> We explain our love for the living Latin, for using as common and

usual language the Latin. If the chearman of the Circle, Daniel,
trully speaks an easy Latin, I am learning to speak and I often
hesitate because my practice is recent. By the way, the journalist
asked us if we had some experiences of using the living Latin language
and, of course, I said that I am a member of Nova Roma and I could
speak Latin with a Nova Roman citizen, more especially a Latin teacher
of Hungary with Spyke.

>
> C. Petronius Dexter
> Irus et est subito qui modo Croesus erat.
>

M. Moravius Piscinus cultoribus Deorum et omnibus salutem plurimam
dicit: Ab alio exspectes alteri quod feceris

Hodie est die pristine Nonas Februarias; haec dies nefastus est:

The Funeral of an Emperor

As a member of the Senate at the time, Dio Cassius participated in
the funeral of Pertinax that was presented by Septimus Severus. He
has left us this account of an emperor's funeral.

"Upon establishing himself in power he erected a shrine to Pertinax,
and commanded that his name should be mentioned at the close of all
prayers and all oaths; he also ordered that a golden image of
Pertinax should be carried into the Circus on a car drawn by
elephants, and that three gilded thrones should be borne into the
other amphitheatres in his honour. His funeral, in spite of the time
that had elapsed since his death, was carried out as follows. In the
Roman Forum a wooden platform was constructed hard by the marble
rostra, upon which was set a shrine, without walls, but surrounded by
columns, cunningly wrought of both ivory and gold. In it there was
placed a bier of the same materials, surrounded by heads of both land
and sea animals and adorned with coverlets of purple and gold. Upon
this rested an effigy of Pertinax in wax, laid out in triumphal garb;
and a comely youth was keeping the flies away from it with peacock
feathers, as though it were really a person sleeping. 4 While the
body lay in state, Severus as well as we senators and our wives
approached, wearing mourning; the women sat in the porticos, and we
men under the open sky. After this there moved past, first, images of
all the famous Romans of old, then choruses of boys and men, singing
a dirge-like hymn to Pertinax; there followed all the subject
nations, represented by bronze figures attired in native dress, and
the guilds of the City itself — those of the lictors, the scribes,
the heralds, and all the rest. Then came images of other men who had
been distinguished for some exploit or invention or manner of life.
Behind these were the cavalry and infantry in armour, the race-
horses, and all the funeral offerings that the emperor and we
senators and our wives, and the corporations of the City, had sent.
Following them came an altar gilded all over and adorned with ivory
and gems of India. When these had passed by, Severus mounted the
rostra and read a eulogy of Pertinax. We shouted our approval many
times in the course of his address, now praising and now lamenting
Pertinax, but our shouts were loudest when he concluded. Finally,
when the bier was about to be moved, we all lamented and wept
together. It was brought down from the platform by the high priests
and the magistrates, not only those who were actually in office at
the time by also those who had been elected for the ensuing year; and
they gave it to certain knights to carry. All the rest of us, now,
marched ahead of the bier, some beating our breasts and others
playing a dirge on the flute, but the emperor followed behind all the
rest; and in this order we arrived at the Campus Martius. There a
pyre had been built in the form of a tower having three stories and
adorned with ivory and gold as well as a number of statues, while on
its very summit was placed a gilded chariot that Pertinax had been
wont to drive. Inside this pyre the funeral offerings were cast and
the bier was placed in it, and then Severus and the relatives of
Pertinax kissed the effigy. The emperor then ascended a tribunal,
while we, the senate, except the magistrates, took our places on
wooden stands in order to view the ceremonies both safely and
conveniently. The magistrates and the equestrian order, arrayed in a
manner befitting their station, and likewise the cavalry and the
infantry, passed in and out around the pyre performing intricate
evolutions, both those of peace and those of war. Then at last the
consuls applied fire to the structure, and when this had been done,
an eagle flew aloft from it. Thus was Pertinax made immortal." ~ Dio
Cassius 75.4-5


AUC 964 / 211 CE: Death of Septimus Severus at York; ascension of
Caracalla and Geta. Caracella assumed the title of pontifex maximus
on this day.

"When this had been done, and the Caledonians had joined the revolt
of the Maeatae, he began preparing to make war upon them in person.
While he was thus engaged, his sickness carried him off on the fourth
of February, not without some help, they say, from Antoninus. At all
events, before Severus died, he is reported to have spoken thus to
his sons (I give his exact words without embellishment): 'Be
harmonious, enrich the soldiers, and scorn all other men.' After
this his body, arrayed in military garb, was placed upon a pyre, and
as a mark of honour the soldiers and his sons ran about it; and as
for the soldiers' gifts, those who had things at hand to offer as
gifts threw them upon it, and his sons applied the fire. Afterwards
his bones were put in an urn of purple stone, carried to Rome, and
deposited in the tomb of the Antonines. It is said that Severus sent
for the urn shortly before his death, and after feeling of it,
remarked: 'Thou shalt hold a man that the world could not hold.'" ~
Dio Cassius 77.15.2-4


Our thought for today is one that is common to many traditions. This
time it expressed byLaberius Decimus (107-43 BCE)

"As you behave towards others, expect that others will behave to
you."

When I click on the link, I see only a message stating that "There is
currently no text on this page."

Paulla Corva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, MCC <complutensis@...> wrote:
>
> Ex officio consularis:
>
> Tax payments for this year, 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), will be accepted
until
> 30th April 2762 a.U.c at 23:59 Roman time.
>
> The Tax Rate Table for 2762 can be found in the Nova Roma web at
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII.
>
> Each provincial governor is required to copy this edict to their
> provincial lists (where applicable).
>
> This edict takes effect immediately.
>
> Given under my hand this 2nd day of February 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009),
in
> the consulship of M. Curiatius and M. Iulius.
>
> M. Curiatius Complutensis
> Consul
>

P. Corva Fl. Galerio Aureliano Q. Fabio Maximo s.p.d.

*nods* As I said, I didn't expect anyone to agree with my views on
this subject. :)

My point, though, is that, when Rome was a town of approximately 1000
people, it would not have used a system of centuries and tribes for
voting (if it even had elections back then) because it would not have
needed that kind of system for so small a population.

During Julius Caesar's time, when the Republic had a far larger
population than 1000, the system of centuries and tribes enabled
voting to be efficient and orderly. With staggered voting, votes
could be counted slowly, according to century or tribe, instead of
overwhelming the Roman diribitores with a torrent of ballots all at
once.

Nova Roma's current citizenry numbers slightly over 1000 people. All
I am saying is, if we are dissatisfied with the way our NR elections
proceed, we can resolve that dissatisfaction by using a system that
is better suited to our smaller population.

Once NR's population reaches the point at which the ancient Romans
instituted tribes and centuries, then it would make perfect sense for
Nova Roma to use them. But, to me, it doesn't make sense right now.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
>
> I join my hand to Quintus Fabio and agree with him completely.
>
> Fl. Galerius Aurelianus
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: QFabiusMaxmi@...
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 3:10 pm
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: SOCIAL REFORM AND TWO-TIER TAXATION
SYSTEM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/25/2009 6:31:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
aerdensrw@... writes:
>
> Election reform: To be blunt, If we truly want to have efficient,
> effective elections, I believe we should dispense with using
> centuries and tribes for elections and adopt instead a simple
> majority wins system that is appropriate for the size of Nova Roma.
> The Romans had a large enough voter population to make centuries
and
> tribes work for their elections. Nova Roma does not. I doubt that
> many will agree with me, but hey, I'm for simplicity.
>
>
>
>
>
> ?
>
> You are correct.? I do not agree. No point in doing a Rome
reconstruction, if you do not follow the ancient Roman guidelines.
>
> ?
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/25/2009 6:31:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
aerdensrw@... writes:
>
> Election reform: To be blunt, If we truly want to have efficient,
> effective elections, I believe we should dispense with using
> centuries and tribes for elections and adopt instead a simple
> majority wins system that is appropriate for the size of Nova Roma.
> The Romans had a large enough voter population to make centuries
and
> tribes work for their elections. Nova Roma does not. I doubt that
> many will agree with me, but hey, I'm for simplicity.
>
>
>
>
>
> ?
>
> You are correct.? I do not agree. No point in doing a Rome
reconstruction, if you do not follow the ancient Roman guidelines.
>
> ?
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
> From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-
to-date with the latest news.
>

C. Petronius Cn. Lentulo suo s.p.d.,

> That would be me? ;-)

Yes that is you. And also I said some words about your good
pronuntiation of the Latin language, short and long vowels...

The journalist recorded an interview of 1h30, with no moment of
silence, because we four were very passionate and ablaze. But only 20
mns will be broadcast (thanks Maior for your tactful correcting) on the
radio.

I hope the passage about Nova Roma will be broadcast but many other
interesting things were said in that 1h30.

Optime vale.
C. Petronius Dexter

Caesar Corvae sal.

http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Tax_rate_MMDCCLXII

The previous link had a period at the end in error.

Optime vale.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@...> wrote:
>
> When I click on the link, I see only a message stating that "There is
> currently no text on this page."
>
> Paulla Corva

C. Petronius M. Hortensiae s.p.d.,

> comme vous me faisez rire, cet mot, whirlygigs c'est charmant,

badin,

> et vous etes au meme temps savant et plien d'espieglerie [je deteste
> cet dictionnaire nouvel; ou sont les mots d'antan? I used to know at
> least 5 words for wit in French]

Ouf! I was afraid to seem rude with these "whirlygigs", but this word
sound so funny that I liked to use it.

> Is this Daniel a classicist?

He is a young classic singer, son of a Sorbonne professor (La
Sorbonne is the older college of the university of Paris.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbonne

His father spoke with him in Latin, since Daniel was 6 years old. In
fact, he is a truly bilingual French-Latin.

The circle has a website:
http://www.circulus.fr

Our next meeting is on Sunday.


Optime vale.

C. Petronius Dexter

Salve --

Somehow the period (.) got caught in the link. Remove that and then try. The same thing happened to me.

Bona fortuna (gr?)
- Q. O. Sabinus


aerdensrw wrote:

When I click on the link, I see only a message stating that "There is
currently no text on this page."

Paulla Corva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, MCC <complutensis@ ...> wrote:
>
> Ex officio consularis:
>
> Tax payments for this year, 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), will be accepted
until
> 30th April 2762 a.U.c at 23:59 Roman time.
>
> The Tax Rate Table for 2762 can be found in the Nova Roma web at
> http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Tax_ rate_MMDCCLXII.
>
> Each provincial governor is required to copy this edict to their
> provincial lists (where applicable).
>
> This edict takes effect immediately.
>
> Given under my hand this 2nd day of February 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009),
in
> the consulship of M. Curiatius and M. Iulius.
>
> M. Curiatius Complutensis
> Consul
>

-- 
"Quid fine laboramus," asked the soldier building the road to the border.

The conversion to HTML of the message has included a final dot in the link, delete it

http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Tax_ rate_MMDCCLXII

Vale

MCC


aerdensrw escribió:

When I click on the link, I see only a message stating that "There is
currently no text on this page."

Paulla Corva

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogrou ps.com, MCC <complutensis@ ...> wrote:
>
> Ex officio consularis:
>
> Tax payments for this year, 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009), will be accepted
until
> 30th April 2762 a.U.c at 23:59 Roman time.
>
> The Tax Rate Table for 2762 can be found in the Nova Roma web at
> http://www.novaroma .org/nr/Tax_ rate_MMDCCLXII.
>
> Each provincial governor is required to copy this edict to their
> provincial lists (where applicable).
>
> This edict takes effect immediately.
>
> Given under my hand this 2nd day of February 2762 a.U.c (AD 2009),
in
> the consulship of M. Curiatius and M. Iulius.
>
> M. Curiatius Complutensis
> Consul
>

In a message dated 2/4/2009 8:25:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, aerdensrw@... writes:

My point, though, is that, when Rome was a town of approximately 1000
people, it would not have used a system of centuries and tribes for
voting (if it even had elections back then) because it would not have
needed that kind of system for so small a population.

 

Paulla Corva

If we go back to such a time, we only have gens or clans, acting in concert.  Dio of Halic. in "Antiquities" seems to indicate that voting was done by acclimation in each clan.  The Tribes, likely are the "modern" represenitive of these Clans.  The Centuries of course are the 100 men units of ten tent groups (files) ten ranks deep.  The early Roman moblizations are based on this.

 

If you are drawing the comparison of our 1000 with Dios' 1000, there is none.

They were all together, we are scattered around the world.  One man, one vote was not the Roman way, and as cumbersome as our procedure is, I'd rather keep it.

 

Q. Fabius Maximus

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M. Moravius Piscinus Quiritibus et omnibus salutem plurimam dicit:
Diis bene iuvantibus sumus.

Hodie est Nonae Februariae; haec dies nefastus est: Faunalia rustica
et Concordiae

"When the middle parts of Aquarius begin to rise, windy weather
begins." ~ Columella, De Re Rustica 9.2.14

AUC 535 / 218 BCE: L. Manilius, who vowed the temple earlier this
year while putting down a mutiny in Cisalpine Gaul, dedicated the
Temple of Concordia.


AUC 707 / 46 BCE: Following the victory of Caesar at Thapsus, M.
Porcius Cato Uticensis took his own life, a martyr for his Republican
ideals.

"The battle was long, severe, and doubtful in all parts of the field
until toward evening, when victory declared itself on the side of
Caesar, who went straight on and captured Scipio's camp and did not
desist, even in the night, from reaping the fruits of his victory
until he had made a clean sweep. The enemy scattered in small bodies
wherever they could. Scipio himself, abandoning everything to
Afranius, fled by sea with twelve open ships.

"When these facts became known at Utica some three days later, and as
Caesar was marching right against that place, a general flight began.
Cato did not detain anybody. He gave ships to all the nobility who
asked for them, but himself adhered firmly to his post. When the
inhabitants of Utica promised to intercede for him before doing so
for themselves, he answered with a smile that he did not need any
intercessors with Caesar, and that Caesar knew it very well. Then he
placed his seal on all the public property and gave the accounts of
each kind to the magistrates of Utica. Toward evening he bathed and
dined. He ate in a sitting posture,39 as had been his custom since
Pompey's p409death. He changed his habits in no respect. He partook
of the dinner, neither more nor less than usual. He conversed with
the others present concerning those who had sailed away and
inquiredwhether the wind was favourable and whether they would make
sufficient distance before Caesar should arrive the next morning. Nor
did he alter any of his habits when he retired to rest, except that
he embraced his son rather more affectionately than usual. As he did
not find his dirk in its accustomed place by his couch, he exclaimed
that he had been betrayed by his servants to the enemy. "What
weapon," he asked, "shall I use if I am attacked in the night?" When
they besought him to do no violence to himself but to go to sleep
without his dirk, he replied still more plausibly, "Could I not
strangle myself with my clothing if I wished to, or knock my brains
out against the wall, or throw myself headlong to the ground, or
destroy myself by holding my breath?" Much more he said to the same
purport until he persuaded them to bring back his dirk. When it had
been put in its place he called for Plato's treatise on the soul and
began to read.

"When Plato's dialogue had come to an end and when he thought that
those who were stationed at the doors were asleep, he stabbed himself
under the breast. His intestines protruded and the attendants heard a
groan and rushed in. Physicians replaced his intestines, which were
still uninjured, in his body, and after sewing up the wound tied a
bandage around it. When Cato came to himself he dissembled again.
Although he blamed himself for the insufficiency of the wound, he
expressed thanks p411to those who had saved him and said that he only
needed sleep. The attendants then retired, taking the dirk with them,
and closed the door, thinking that he had become quiet. Cato after
feigning sleep, tore off the bandage with his hands without making
any noise, opened the suture of the wound, enlarged it with his nails
like a wild beast, plunged his fingers into his stomach, and tore out
his entrails until he died, being then about fifty years of age. He
was considered the most steadfast of all men in upholding any opinion
that he had once espoused and in adhering to justice, rectitude, and
morality, not as a matter of custom merely, but rather from a high-
souled philosophy." ~ Appian, The Civil Wars, Excerpts 2.97-99


AUC 751 / 2 BCE: Augustus received the title Pater Patria:

"Sacred Father of the Fatherland, this title has been conferred on
you, (Augustus), by the Senate, by the people, and by we Equites.
Events had already granted it. Tardily you received your true title,
you had long been Father of the World." ~ Ovidius Naso, Fasti 2.127-
128

"In my thirtieth consulship the Senate, the equestrian order, and the
whole of the People of Rome titled me Pater Patriae. [Furthermore the
title was to be] inscribed in the vestibule of my house and in the
Curia Julia and in the Forum Augustum beneath the chariot which has
been put there in my honor by decree of the Senate." ~ Augustus, Res
Gestae 35.1


AUC 965 / 212 CE: Failure to bring Concord between Caracella and his
brother Geta

"As for his own brother, Antoninus (Caracella) had wished to slay
(Geta) even while his father (Septimus Severus) was yet alive, but
had been unable to do so at the time because of Severus, or later, on
the march, because of the legions; for the troops felt very kindly
toward the younger brother, especially as he resembled his father
very closely in appearance. But when Antoninus got back to Rome, he
made away with him also. The two pretended to love and commend each
other, but in all that they did they were diametrically opposed, and
anyone could see that omething terrible was bound to result from the
situation. This was foreseen even before they reached Rome. For when
the senate had voted that sacrifices should be offered on behalf of
their concord both to the other Gods and to Concord herself, and the
assistants had got ready the victim to be sacrificed to Concord and
the consul had arrived to superintend the sacrifice, neither he could
find them nor they him, but they spent nearly the entire night in
searching for one another, so that the sacrifice could not be
performed then. And on the next day two wolves went up on the
Capitol, but were chased away from there; one of them was found and
slain somewhere in the Forum and the other was killed later outside
the pomerium. This incident also had reference to the brothers." ~
Dio Cassius 78.1.3-6


Our thought for today is from Democritus, The Golden Sayings 28:

"It is good not only to refrain from doing an injury, but even from
the very wish."

Cn. Lentulus sacerdos Concordiae et pontifex Quiritibus sal.


This has been the sacrifice to Concordia on Her Temple's dedication day.

I offered milk and incense.


Favete linguis!

(beginning of the sacrifice.)

PRAEFATIO

Dea Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, te hoc ture commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, mihi, domo, familiae!

(Incense is placed in the focus of the altar.)

Dea Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, uti te ture commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte lacte esto!"

(Libation of milk is made.)

PRECATIO

Dea Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, hoc die templi Concordiae Augustae dedicationis te precor, veneror, quaeso, obtestor: uti pacem concordiamque constantem societati Novae Romae tribuas; utique Rem Publicam Populi Novi Romani Quiritium confirmes, augeas, adiuves, omnibusque discordiis liberes; utique Res Publica Populi Novi Romani Quiritium semper floreat, atque pax et concordia et gloria Novae Romae omni tempore crescat, utique Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, mihi, domo, familiae omnes eventus bonos faustosque esse siris; utique sies volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae, Senatui Novo Romano, mihi, domo, familiae!

SACRIFICIUM

Sicut verba nuncupavi, quaeque ita faxis, uti ego me sentio dicere: harum rerum ergo macte hoc lacte libando, hoc ture ommovendo esto fito volens propitia Populo Novo Romano Quiritibus, Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, magistratibus, consulibus, praetoribus Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, tribunis Plebei Novae Romanae, Senatui Novo Romano, mihi, domo, familiae!

(Libation of milk is made and incense is sacrificed.)

REDDITIO

Dea Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, uti te ture commovendo et lacte libando bonas preces bene precatus sum, earundem rerum ergo macte lacte esto!

(Libation of milk is made)

Ilicet!

(End of the sacrifice.)

PIACULUM

Iane, Dea Concordia Populi Novi Romani Quiritium, Concordia Novae Romae, Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva, Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine: si quidquam vobis in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio.

(Libation of wine is made.)


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
P O N T I F E X
SACERDOS CONCORDIAE
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Legatus Pro Praetore Provinciae Pannoniae
Sacerdos Provinciae Pannoniae
Interpres Linguae Hungaricae
Accensus Consulum M. Curiatii Complutensis et M. Iulii Severi
Scriba Praetoris P. Memmii Albucii
Scriba Censorum Ti. Galerii Paulini et C. Popillii Laenatis
Scriba Aedilis Curulis Cn. Iulii Caesaris
Scriba Rogatricis A. Tulliae Scholasticae
Scriba Interpretis Linguae Latinae A. Tulliae Scholasticae
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Greetings,

I have been considering joining Nova Roma for some time now, have been
observing this list for a while (more than a year, maybe two) and have
some questions:

1) I have noticed one or two references from people who are in both the
SCA, and Nova Roma. I once considered joining the SCA, but alas did
not. Is Nova Roma like the SCA in that there are local chapters and
occasional meetings? Although I have little interest in joining the
SCA, they do have a local Barony, and they do have local meetings.

2) When you talk of "Taxes" on this list, are you referring to a
membership fee for joining Nova Roma?

3) What are the benefits of membership? Is there anything other than
being a member of a community with fellow people who appreciate Roman
history and culture? Is there at the very least a membership
card? :-)

I'm sure more questions will come to me, but these are the obvious
ones.

Best Regards,
Rich...

P.S.
I already own a well made Toga.

Salve Rich,

Rich <wielgosz@...> asked:

> Is Nova Roma like the SCA in that there are local chapters and
> occasional meetings?

It varies quite a bit depending on where you are. We have places
where several Nova Romans live within driving distance of each other,
and there you'll find a pretty robust local community. In other
places we have lone people who are hundreds of miles from the next
nearest Nova Roman. In those places there isn't a whole lot of local
activity.

> When you talk of "Taxes" on this list, are you referring to a
> membership fee for joining Nova Roma?

Kind of. We're actually talking about a "premium membership fee."
Basic membership costs nothing, but if you want to participate in the
religio or the government, you need to be an assiduus, which is our
fancy latin name for a dues paying premium member.

> 3) What are the benefits of membership?

You get to participate in more stuff.

> Is there anything other than
> being a member of a community with fellow people who appreciate Roman
> history and culture?

Yes, there is. You also get to be a member of a community of people
who are dedicated to the resurgence of classical Roman virtues in the
modern world, and who are actively practicing the polytheistic
religion of the Romans. You don't have to be a polytheist yourself,
but you'll be joining a community of people who have created this
republic in order for it to be the state of our state religion.

> Is there at the very least a membership card? :-)

We can stick your name into a .pdf file of a fancy membership card and
send it to you, if you want one. You'll have to print it. As you may
have noticed, our taxes are very low. The way we keep them low is by
not spending tax revenues on things like postage.

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS