>
> What a horrible travesty. I am truly ashamed of Nova Roma. To think
> that by threatening a lawsuit with absolutely no merit whatsoever

> can just get anything they wanted from this pitiful organization.
>
> Want $500? Threaten to sue.
>
> Want a position on the board? Threaten to sue.
>
> I resign all of my positions. I resign citizenship. I won't be

> back unless this organization grows a spine and actually defends
> itself against assholes like sulla and cassius.
>
> Goodbye.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gallagher <spqr753@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > EDICTVM CENSORIVM DE ADLEGENDIS SENATORIBVS
> >
> >
> >
> > Ex Officio
> >
> >
> >
> > Censores Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas salutem
> plurimam quiritibus dicunt.
> >
> >
> >
> > According to Paragraph IV. A. 1. d. of the Constitution of Nova

> and Lex Popillia Senatoria, the censores have the powers of
> maintaining the Album Senatorium.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gaius Equitius Cato resigned his citizenship and all his offices
> including his seat
> >
> > in the Nova Roman Senate. Gaius Equitius Cato has rescinded his
> resignation of Citizenship and resumes his status as a Citizen of

> Roma.
> >
> >
> >
> > By this edict Gaius Equitius Cato is returned to the Album
> Senatorium with no brake in his time of his service.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix is returned to the Album Senatorium
> with no brake in his time of service. He is a Senator of Nova Roma

> a member of the Board of Directors of Nova Roma, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > This edict takes effect on pr. Kal. Mar. M. Curiatio M. Iulio cos.
> MMDCCLXII A.V.C.
> >
> > At 0700 CET
> >
> >
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Gaius Popillius Laenas Censores, Novae

> >
>

>
> Quintus Livius Drusus,
>  
> Good luck for who are pushing ahead with this temple. And the

>  
> Greetings.

> I'm disgusted with the actions of the senate concerning Sulla.
>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:26 PM, gaiuspopilliuslaenas wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> The Censors took the action that we felt was in the best interests of
> our Republic and our Corporation to resolve a situation with the least
> risk to same.
>
> We did this after extensive consultation with the Consuls, Praetors and
> individual Senators who expressed concerns, and questions, and/or
> opinions.
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Popillius Laenas
> Censor
>

I believe the decision to reinstate Cato and Sulla is a proper one.

Both men have contributed to the building of Nova Roma and both were
treated shabbily in my opinion.

=====================================
In amicitia et fide
Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator
Civis circa Quintilis MMDCCLI a.u.c.

Religio Septentrionalis - Poeta
http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/
http://www.catamount-grange-hearth.org/
--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

> I'm a probationary citizen. Consider this - what do you think is the
> likely impression I am to form from this sort of exchange?

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus wrote:
> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus P. Ullerio Stephano Venatori s.p.d.
>
>>Both men have contributed to the building of Nova Roma and both were
>>treated shabbily in my opinion.
>
>     Amice, could you expand a little on your opinion? Cato resigned, right?
> How is that shabby treatment? I would love to hear what you think.
>
> Optime vale!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>

I shall do so on Sunday, as tomorrow is taken up with time being spent
with my wife in honor of our 31 years being together, and to try and
answer tonight would give short shrift to your valid question.

The idea of "shabby treatment" is my impression from my sometimes
faulty recall, though my memory astounds folks sometimes.

I will review the archives of this message list for the threads
dealing with both men, and let you (et alia) know from whence comes my
opinion.

in amicitia - Venator

> So, what laws are in-effect with regards to resigning and
> re-attaining citizenship? What about this? The wiki shows it to be
> in effect.
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Minucia_Moravia_de_civitate_eiuranda_(Nova_Roma)

> Do we have a Nova Roman legal expert around? Praetores? Anyone?

> Is the a single place to go to see all "in force" laws and the like
> (that is up to date) without spending hours on the wiki and the old
> tabularium pages?

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:

Salve Ahenobarbe,

Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> writes:

> So, what laws are in-effect with regards to resigning and
> re-attaining citizenship? What about this? The wiki shows it to be
> in effect.
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Lex_Minucia_Moravia_de_civitate_eiuranda_(Nova_Roma)

Yes, that law is in effect. I'll even be so bold as to anticipate
your next question and say that Cato never resigned because he never
sent a letter of resignation to the censors. It doesn't matter what
he said or didn't say anywhere else.

> Do we have a Nova Roman legal expert around? Praetores? Anyone?

I'm a praetor, and while I wouldn't call myself an expert on Nova
Roman law, I have spent a lot of time reading it. I've also written
some of it.

> Is the a single place to go to see all "in force" laws and the like
> (that is up to date) without spending hours on the wiki and the old
> tabularium pages?

Yes. http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Codex_Juris_Novae_Romae

Vale,

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

On 2/27/09, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus <cn.caelius@...> wrote:

 As you can see, your decision---done in the throes of emotion, as you said---has already harmed the Republic.

I, for one, totally disagree that this has harmed the republic - for the very simple reason that he DID return. Had Cato not returned then, I believe, our Republic would have been much impoverished.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

>
> I resign. From everything.
>
> Guess why.
>

> If anyone desires to resign in the future what address should they send
> their resignation?

> If the main list is sufficient for the passage of edicts then why is it not
> sufficient for resignations?

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:

Because the law says it isn't. The law requires direct notification

of the censors, and there's no way to be sure a censor will definitely
see any message posted to the main list.

CN-EQVIT-MARINVS

>
> Cn. Caelius Ahenobarbus Cn. Equitio Marino s.p.d
>
> > I'll even be so bold as to anticipate your next question
> >and say that Cato never resigned because he never
> >sent a letter of resignation to the censors. It doesn't matter

> >he said or didn't say anywhere else.
>
> I beg to differ.
>
>
> According to the Senate Handbook, the Constitution overrules

>
> "II.A.4. Citizenship may be involuntarily revoked by those means

> shall be established by law, or may be voluntarily relinquished by
> notification of the censors or by public statement before three or

> witnesses."
>
> There are more that 3 people on this mailing list which saw his

>
> "I hereby resign my citizenship, my senatorial seat, my legature,

> any and all positions I
> hold as scribe.
>
> I apologize to my fellow patres and matres conscripti and to the
> current sole Curule Aedile.
>
> I instruct the office of the censors to destroy all information
> regarding me contained in any
> medium whatsoever immediately."
>
> So, not only does this satisfy the constitutional requirement,

>
> "Submission to the Censors of an
> intention to resign citizenship should be made in writing with the
> intention clearly stated, and may be transmitted in writing via any
> available means."
>
> He mentioned the censores. It was in writing. That is a means.

>
> Am I missing something?
>
> >I'm a praetor, and while I wouldn't call myself an expert on Nova
> >Roman law, I have spent a lot of time reading it. I've also

> >some of it.
>
> Indeed you are. That is why I asked. And the Codex is not up-to-

>
> Optime vale!
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>

> According to the Senate Handbook, the Constitution overrules
> everything---leges, edicta, etc. (
> http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Senate_Handbook_(Nova_Roma)#Rank_of_Senate_actions_within_our_constitutional_framework
> ).

> If that is the case, the Constituion states:
>
> "II.A.4. Citizenship may be involuntarily revoked by those means that
> shall be established by law, or may be voluntarily relinquished by
> notification of the censors or by public statement before three or more
> witnesses."
>
> There are more that 3 people on this mailing list which saw his
> post on 16 February:

>> I'm a praetor, and while I wouldn't call myself an expert on Nova
>> Roman law, I have spent a lot of time reading it. I've also written
>> some of it.
>
> Indeed you are. That is why I asked. And the Codex is not
> up-to-date. Is that something that the praetores are trying to fix?

> As an organization, we could definitely use a current and
> continually-updated list of all items in effect.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus wrote:
> Caelius Ullerio s.p.d.
>
>     By Sunday, the 72-hour window for intercessio will have passed. Any
> information that you can give me now would be appreciated.
>
> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
>

I shall try to cut a day off, if I can find what I need tonight.

Ave - Venator

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Marcus Valerius Traianus <marcusvaleriustraianus@...> wrote:

Salvete,

 

As someone who has been a citizen for a long time now, I also believe that nothing wrong has been done, and I know the work that both people have done for our Republic.  It is not mine to judge if they have been treated fairly, but in my opinion I think the right decision was made.

 

----------------------------
Marcus Valerius Traianus
Diribitor & Proud Citizen of Nova Roma

> I'm a probationary citizen. Consider this - what do you think is the

> Cato omnibus in foro SPD
>
> Salvete!
>
> Here's a prayer written for the Respublica in honor of the festival
> of the Equirria:
>
> "Mars Pater, te precor uti fortitudine et peritia horum equitum
> Equirriae Senatus Populusque Norvorum Romanorum Quiritum iniciantur et
> sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum
> Quiritum. Mars Pater, qui currui temporis equos citos suos iungit ut
> mensem Martii adduucat, tibi fieri oportet culignam vini dapi, eius
> rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto."
>
> (Father Mars, I pray you that the Senate and People of the Nova
> Romans, the Quirites, may be inspired by the courage and skill of
> these horsemen of the Equirria and that you may be propitious to the
> Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites. Father Mars, who
> hitches his swift horses to the chariot of time to bring on the month
> of March, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given, for the
> sake of this thing therefore may you be honoured by this feast
> offering.) - L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur (NR)
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>

> I believe laws are being broken.

>
> > I'm a probationary citizen. Consider this - what do you think is the
> likely impression I am to form from this sort of exchange?
>
> If you are a normal adult, seeking conversation, companionship and
> sharing your thoughts on ancient Rome with other sane adults...you will
> probaby be running like hell to get away.
>
> Now I have done it...I made a solemn vow and promise to myself to
> never, ever post on this insane list again...and I've broken my own
> sacred vow.
>
> One of these days...maybe...there will be a wave of wisdom and common
> sense swoop down upon this forum and instill the concepts of the public
> and private virtues of ancient Rome on our citizens.
>
> Citizens who do not live and breathe the Religio Romana will be able to
> post their thoughts and comments like the zealots.
>
> Respect (such a horrid word to some of you) will be a word that is
> understood by all, not just a slang term like crap and puke.
>
> Citizens who have been a member of the Respublica for less than a year
> will, by virtue of some miracle, learn to shut up more and listen more,
> instead of throwing the whole orgnization into an uproar every little
> chance they can.
>
> The cry=baby whiners will leave...for good...and be replaced by
> courteous adults.
>
> There seems to be the notion "probably buried somewhere in the Nova
> Roma Constitution or maybe in the secret sealed discussions of the
> Senate or some other venue of intrigue that states:
>
> IF YOU REALLY WISH TO BE RECOGNIZED AS A TRUE ROMAN, THEN YOU MUST
> UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES ACT LIKE A COMPLETE GODDAMNED ASS!
>
> My apologies to the Christians, but this is the Forum and I am speaking
> my peace.
>
> I have never resigned my citizenship, but think about it everytime one
> of these stupid arguments starts. Ahenobarbus, I think we should be
> more like the ancient Romans and have the Tribunes throw you off the
> Tarpein Rock.
>
> Instead of inciting a riot, maybe, you should try talking and going
> through the appropriate, civilized procedures. And when you do, and
> don't get the answer you desired, then RUN FOR OFFICE OF PRAETOR.
>
> Personally, I don't foresee ever running for anything in this
> organization. I had a major injury last year, almost lost my job
> because of it, have suffered some horrible economic distresses, to
> include loss of family members...and you know what?
>
> Shortly after my hiatus, my email inbox began to fill with hate mate
> because I had "abandoned my position and obviously did not care for the
> Respublica anymore and since I did not I should probably do everyone a
> favor and go ahead and resign my citizenship because of it."
>
> WELL, for all of those lovely, wonderful citizens who sent me such
> gracious mail...Thanks!
>
> And, you can all go straight to hell.
>
> Give 'em Hell, Cato...Give 'em Hell! I'd help you but, I'll be in the
> provincia...where I'll stay and enjoy life. We don't have such crap
> down here in the lovely South.
>
> Valete optime,
>
> L-VITELLIUS-TRIARIUS
>
> P.S. Don't bother...I'm no longer here.
>
> P.P.S. Someone...whoever is handling the Wiki now, should probably go
> the the mailing list page and add the following wiki format to the page:
>
>
>
>
> ==Nova Roma Mailing List (Forum Unromanum)==
>
> <big>
> <div align="center">
> DO NOT JOIN THIS LIST FOR YOUR OWN SANITY
>
> There are many other wonderful sodalitates in Nova Roma, where you can
> actually enjoy yourself in collaboration with others who love the via
> Romana and can act with civility and respect towards one another ~ This
> is not one of them.
>
> Click Here:
>
> '''[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma (link removed for
> reputation's sake)]]'''
>
> </div>
> </big>
>

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:02 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus <cn_corn_lent@...> wrote:

And we need another list, where internal political debates are continued. What do you think, conules and praetores? What do you think, Quirites?

>We need VERY strict moderation, in a list that is our public face
>online.

>A huge public e-mail list is likely to be a place of
> ignorance and boredom, but there's no real reason it should be
> otherwise.(..)

>As long as the 'main list' exists and is regarded as the place to go
>for everything, it inhibits the growth of those small and
>spontaneous conversations (..)

>(..)I proposed in the past that we should have two separate main
>list, one for citizens alone where political discussions and
>internal debates are going and free speech is celebrated, and
>another where discussions about all things Roman are held (..)

>
> Cn. Lentulus consulibus et praetoribus et Quiritibus s. p.
>
>
> It's simply enough. After almost 6 years of citizenship it's enough

>
> I indeed see development of civility and social respect, but it's

>
> I proposed in the past that we should have two separate main list,

>
> I think the New Roman list has to be our new "open to all" main

>
> We really, seriously need a better PR policy.
>
> It's the time to move on that direction.
>
> We need a very strictly moderated friendly discussion forum, and

>
> Simply, what's going here is not for the eyes of the public and

>
> I dare to say, a *normal* adult (and here "normal" is not

>
> A normal, quiet and busy adult with husband or wife, having

>
> One of our most prestigious citizen, an idol of Romanitas and

>
> I know I would have to ask his permission to quote from his private

>
> We also miss him and some words from Cordus would bring us some

>
> When he sais he is afraid the 'main list' will probably always be a

> un-Roman behaviour he also continues:
>
> "This is
> another of the major conclusions I have come to lately.  The 'main
> list' is not, as I used to say and hope that it was, equivalent to

> forum Rómánum.  In the forum ordinary people had ordinary

> in groups of two, three, or four, while magistrates and senior
> statesmen addressed large crowds from the rostra.  The 'main list'

> place where anyone, even a non-citizen, even someone who has no
> understanding of the Roman
> way of life, even someone who has done
> nothing at all in service of the community, can force his views upon
> the attention of hundreds of people day after day after day.  It is
> even more inimical to productive statecraft than the Athenian

> for even that body was not in constant session twenty-four hours a

> and even there a person with no knowledge and no understanding would
> hesitate to speak.  Only magistrates and those who they invite onto

> rostra should be able to make speeches to the people as a whole. 

> way for ordinary citizens to influence public policy is by voting

> by speaking privately to those with more influence than themselves. 
> Nor is the 'main list' a very helpful medium for informing citizens
> about mórés Rómání because, as you've said, anyone can say whatever

> likes, and an uninformed citizen has no way to tell which speaker is
> right and which is wrong.  The majórés did not go to the forum to
> discuss and
> learn about literature or philosophy or the nature of
> the gods.  A huge public e-mail list is likely to be a place of
> ignorance and boredom, but there's no real reason it should be
> otherwise.  The place for well-informed and interesting speech and
> conversation is the school, the lecture-hall, the dinner-party, the
> shady grove in the grounds of the country estate.  As long as

> list' exists and is regarded as the place to go for everything, it
> inhibits the growth of those small and spontaneous conversations

> should be going on all the time in all sorts of places."
>
>
> A very interesting and valid opinion, isn't it?
>
> In one word: something has to be done. We need VERY strict

>
> And we need another list, where internal political debates are

>
> What do you think, conules and praetores?
>
> What do you think, Quirites?
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti

> http://mail.yahoo.it
>

> It's simply enough. After almost 6 years of citizenship it's enough

>
> Cn. Lentulus consulibus et praetoribus et Quiritibus s. p.
>
>
> It's simply enough. After almost 6 years of citizenship it's

>
> I indeed see development of civility and social respect, but it's

>
> I proposed in the past that we should have two separate main list,

>
> I think the New Roman list has to be our new "open to all" main

>
> We really, seriously need a better PR policy.
>
> It's the time to move on that direction.
>
> We need a very strictly moderated friendly discussion forum, and

>
> Simply, what's going here is not for the eyes of the public and

>
> I dare to say, a *normal* adult (and here "normal" is not

>
> A normal, quiet and busy adult with husband or wife, having

>
> One of our most prestigious citizen, an idol of Romanitas and

>
> I know I would have to ask his permission to quote from his

>
> We also miss him and some words from Cordus would bring us some

>
> When he sais he is afraid the 'main list' will probably always be

> un-Roman behaviour he also continues:
>
> "This is
> another of the major conclusions I have come to lately.  The 'main
> list' is not, as I used to say and hope that it was, equivalent to

> forum Rómánum.  In the forum ordinary people had ordinary

> in groups of two, three, or four, while magistrates and senior
> statesmen addressed large crowds from the rostra.  The 'main list'

> place where anyone, even a non-citizen, even someone who has no
> understanding of the Roman
> way of life, even someone who has done
> nothing at all in service of the community, can force his views

> the attention of hundreds of people day after day after day.  It is
> even more inimical to productive statecraft than the Athenian

> for even that body was not in constant session twenty-four hours a

> and even there a person with no knowledge and no understanding

> hesitate to speak.  Only magistrates and those who they invite

> rostra should be able to make speeches to the people as a whole. 

> way for ordinary citizens to influence public policy is by voting

> by speaking privately to those with more influence than

> Nor is the 'main list' a very helpful medium for informing citizens
> about mórés Rómání because, as you've said, anyone can say

> likes, and an uninformed citizen has no way to tell which speaker

> right and which is wrong.  The majórés did not go to the forum to
> discuss and
> learn about literature or philosophy or the nature of
> the gods.  A huge public e-mail list is likely to be a place of
> ignorance and boredom, but there's no real reason it should be
> otherwise.  The place for well-informed and interesting speech and
> conversation is the school, the lecture-hall, the dinner-party, the
> shady grove in the grounds of the country estate.  As long as

> list' exists and is regarded as the place to go for everything, it
> inhibits the growth of those small and spontaneous conversations

> should be going on all the time in all sorts of places."
>
>
> A very interesting and valid opinion, isn't it?
>
> In one word: something has to be done. We need VERY strict

>
> And we need another list, where internal political debates are

>
> What do you think, conules and praetores?
>
> What do you think, Quirites?
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti

> http://mail.yahoo.it
>

>
> Salve Segestamili!
>
>
> What's your name?
>
>
> >>> Debate is healthy ...that certain persons cannot agree is

>
> fact Roman History was no different that what we see at NR. <<<
>
>
> I totally agree to this. But we aren't talking about healthy

>
> Do you know that Nova Roma stagnates for 6 years in number of its

>
>
>
>
> >>> Those who want to be -Romans- want to speak freely.<<<
>
>
> Sorry, but it is simply not true. In no way. Freedom of speech is

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti

> http://mail.yahoo.it
>

>We need VERY strict moderation, in a

>online.

On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 08:23 -0700, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar wrote:


Perhaps a better name for the second group would be "Cloaca Maxima."

:-)

Best,
Rich...

> Cn. Iulius Caesar sal.
>
> I am not sure we actually need to do anything other than maybe
> occasionally reiterate what other lists are available. Some are
> official and some are not. Here, for new and newer citizens, are two
> examples of the two extremes, with the Main List, in my
> opinion, falling in-between the two in terms of the risk factor for
> posters and readers.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Newroman/
> The New Roman list is a moderated and "safe" environment for new
> citizens wanting to ask all the multitude of questions that all of us
> asked at first, or wanted to ask. "G" rated. Suitable for all,
> informative and positive in nature.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackAlley/
> The infamous Back Alley. Unofficial, not moderated, and not the place
> for anyone of a delicate disposition. As its name implies, a place of
> rough and fearsome language at times, brutal honesty and vitriol. If
> you thought that the Main List was a place of flame wars, well here on
> the Main List togas may get occasionally singed, but on the Back Alley
> posters risk getting all their clothes incinerated to the point they
> flee the place with their under garments falling off in ashes. A
> definite 18+ environment.
>
> I too have wondered occasionally whether a dedicated list for law and
> politics maybe the way to go, with the down side being that debates
> could be raging which citizens should know about so that they can have
> the choice whether to post and how to vote. Locking this stuff away in
> another list will limit the exposure of people to what some no doubt
> see as childish, insulting, de-motivating and pointless debates.
> Others however, including at least one newer citizen publically on the
> New Roman list, have I know felt that from even the most bitter and
> cut throat of debates on the Main List, they have gleaned a
> perspective of Nova Roma and the issues at hand which was helpful and
> informative.
>
> This is a community, and that implies all the stresses and strains of
> a community. It is not an academic community, but a social, cultural
> and political one. In any case even debates in academia can be
> vitriolic and savage. Staging set piece debates, carefully controlled
> and sanitized through the medium of strict moderation may produce
> something more akin to the uplifting, and frequently fictional, tales
> of Titus Livius but I feel it won't reveal us as we are. Citizens
> wanting to vote for a candidate have here on the Main List an
> opportunity to see how they perform, largely unfettered. They can
> judge reactions, styles and knowledge. They can see how they handle
> themselves "under fire". There are many benefits to the Main List as
> it stands.
>
> A few years ago we tried a hiatus from posting on law and politics on
> the Main List. The result? Posts slumped, discussions were few and far
> between and there was no flowering of a cultural renaissance here. It
> had the quiet of a graveyard. The Main List isn't the demon child that
> it is portrayed as sometimes. Yes, of course it descends into rock
> throwing contests here sometimes, for that is the nature of the beast,
> but there are times when it is vital that citizens know what is going
> on, so they can make value decisions during election times, or choose
> to voice opinions.
>
> Having vital discussions buried away on a list many people might shy
> away from joining would ensure that only a few of us were fully
> informed. Is this a good thing? We should tread carefully here.
>
> Optime valete.
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> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
> Aedilis Curulis
> Senator
> Legatus pro praetore Canada Ulterioris
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>
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> From: Publius Memmius Albucius
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:10 AM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: It's Enough
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> Lentulo s.d.
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> >We need VERY strict moderation, in a list that is our public face
> >online.
>
> A very strict moderation is not possible at this time, for meaning
> either unjustified praetorian powers, or placing in moderation most
> of our regular contributors, included most of our magistrates and
> senators. ;-)
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>

L. Julia Aquila  Cn. Cornelio Lentulo S.P.D.

Thank you for this eloquent and beautifully composed (and I am certain exquisitely executed) Equirria Ritual.

You are, as always, shined upon by the gods and a true example to aspire to.

I have saved this to either use in my own devotion or as an example for my own compositions, so again I thank you esteemed Pontifex.

Bene valéas atque di vos incolumes custodiant!

Julia Aquila

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Memmius Albucius <albucius_aoe@...> wrote:
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> P. Memmius Albucius pr. Pontifici Lentulo s.d.
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> Thanks for this beautiful Equirria's ceremony!
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> Equirria is an important day in our Roman calendar, and deserves such dedicated ritual.
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> Vale bene Lentule,
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> Albucius pr.
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> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com; novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com; ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com
> From: cn_corn_lent@...
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:37:51 +0000
> Subject: [NovaRoma-Announce] EQUIRRIA RITUAL TO MARS
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> Cn. Lentulus pontifex consulibus, praetoribus, senatui populoque Novo Romano s. p. d.
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> Salvete Quirites et Commilitones!
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> Today is Equirria, and Mars Pater is celebrated. Currently there is no Flamen Martialis, so traditionally his duty is undertaken by one of pontifices. As pontifex, I have conducted the Equirria Sacrificial Ceremony today, before my home altar.
>
> We honour all soldiers and retired soldiers among us, who do serve and served in any of the world's armed forces, and we ask Father Mars, the Father of the Roman people, that he bless them and their families and their lives.
>
> We honour all Nova Roman legionary reenactors among us, who continue the symbolic traditions of the Roman Army as a honour guard and as a demonstrative and educational military, and we ask Father Mars to support them and to give them success in their efforts.
>
> About the ceremony I conducted.
>
> Since the Roman religion is very conservative and once a ceremony is established it should have to kept in the same form using the same words and choreography, I tried to keep as much part of the previous Equirria ceremonies as it was possible, for example, the words taken from Ovid's Fasti, yet some modifications had to be made. Some sentences were in bad Latin, and some very very superfluous and not in agreement with some formal requirements.
>
> On the other hand, I extended the previous ceremony with many new parts in line with Roman ritualistic traditions.
>
> Celebrate Father Mars.
>
> Please, forget all the disgusting and insignificant current scandals about L. Cornelius Sulla and his vendetta, and rejoyce with Father Mars, God of War and Agriculture, who is both peaceful and terrible in the same divine person. Pray to him and ask him to support Nova Roma, to expell the harmful and strengthen the prosperous.
>
> Nova Roma will celebrates its Eleventh Birthday on 1st March: Nova Roma was born in the first day of the month of Father Mars, so Nova Roma is under the protection of Mars, we can placate him with our offerings and prayers, and finally we will triumph!
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> EQUIRRIA RITUAL TO MARS FOR THE QUIRITIAN PEOPLE OF NOVA ROMA
>
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> 1) PRAEFATIO
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> "Mars Pater,
> te hoc ture commovendo
> bonas preces precor,
> uti sies volens propitius
> Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> consulibus, praetoribus, praesidibus provinciarum,
> omnibus militibus veris et propriis
> atque omnibus militibus legionum reconstructivarum,
> collegio pontificum,
> mihi, domo, familiae!"
>
> [Father Mars, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers so that you may be benevolent and propitious to the Quiritian Senate and People of Nova Roma,to the consuls, praetors and provincial governors,to every real soldier serving in armies,as well as to every soldier in the reenactor legions,to the college of the pontiffs,to me, to my household and to my family.]
>
> - I placed incense in the focus of the altar.
>
> "Mars Pater,
> uti te ture commovendo
> bonas preces bene precatus sum,
> eiusdem rei ergo
> macte vino inferio esto"
>
> [Father Mars, as by offering to you the incense I have well prayed good prayers,for the very same reason be thou blessed by this sacrificial wine.]
> - I poured a libation on the altar.
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> 2) SACRIFICIUM I
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> "Mars pater,
> quod tibi fieri oportet culignam vini dapi,
> eius rei ergo macte
> hac illace dape pullucenda esto!"
>
> [Father Mars,to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given, for the sake of this thing therefore may you be blessed by this feast offering].
>
> - I poured a libation on the altar and added laurel for Mars.
>
>
> 3) PRECATIO
>
> "Mars Pater,
> qui currui temporis equos citos iungis
> ut mensem Martium adducas,
> te precor, venerorque,
> quaeso, obtestorque,
> uti fortitudinem constantiamque,
> vim ac virtutem gravitatemque,
> imperium magnum maiestatemque,
> auctoritatem severitatemque,
> victoriam valetudinemque
> populo Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> Reique Publicae Populi Novi Romani Quiritium
> semper tribuas;
> utique milites Novos Romanos veros et proprios custodias;
> militesque legionum reconstructivarum ipsasque legiones adiuves;
> utique sies volens propitius
> Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> consulibus, praetoribus, praesidibus provinciarum,
> omnibus militibus veris et propriis
> atque omnibus militibus legionum reconstructivarum,
> legatis, tribunis, centurionibus,
> collegio pontificum,
> mihi, domo, familiae!"
> [Father Mars, who hitch your swift horses to the chariot of time to bring on the month of March,I ask and revere you,I pray and beseech youso that you may grantfortitude and constancy,strength, virtue and gravity,great power and majesty, initiative and seriousness, victory and safetyto the Quiritian people of Nova Roma,to the Republic of the Quiritian people of Nova Roma;so that you may take care of every soldier in Nova Roma serving in armies;and may support every soldier in the reenactor legions and their legions;so that you may be benevolent and propitious to the Quiritian Senate and People of Nova Roma,to the consuls, praetors and provincial governors,to every real soldier serving in armies,as well as to every soldier in the reenactor legions,to the legates, tribunes and centurions,to the college of the pontiffs,to me, to my household and to my family.]
>
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> 4) SACRIFICIUM II
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> "Quarum rerum ergo macte
> hoc libo libando,
> hoc vino libando,
> huc thure obmovendo
> esto fito volens propitius
> Senatui Populoque Novo Romano Quiritibus,
> consulibus, praetoribus, praesidibus provinciarum,
> omnibus militibus veris et propriis
> atque omnibus militibus legionum reconstructivarum,
> legatis, tribunis, centurionibus,
> collegio pontificum,
> mihi, domo, familiae!"
> [For all these reasons, thou blessedby offering this libum,by offering this wine,by offering this incensebe benevolent and propitiousto the Quiritian Senate and People of Nova Roma,to the consuls, praetors and provincial governors,to every real soldier serving in armies,as well as to every soldier in the reenactor legions,to the legates, tribunes and centurions,to the college of the pontiffs,to me, to my household and to my family.]- Libum, wine and incense were sacrificed.
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> 5) REDDITIO
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> "Mars Pater,
> qui in campo tuo certamen Equirriae semper prospicis,
> macte istace dape pollucenda esto,
> macte vino inferio esto"
> [Father Mars, who always observe from afar the race of the Equirria on your own field, may you be blessed by this feast offering, may you be blessed by the sacrificial wine.]"
> - I offered Mars Pater laurel, cakes and wine on the altar.
>
> "Illicet!"
> [It is permitted to go.]
>
> - End of the ceremony.
>
> 6) PIACULUM
>
> "Iane,
> Mars Pater,
> Iuppiter Optime Maxmime, Iuno, Minerva,
> Concordia,
> Omnes Di Immortales quocumque nomine:
> si quidquam vonis in hac caerimonia displicuit,
> hoc ture veniam peto
> et vitium meum expio."
> [Ianus,Father Mars, Iuppiter, The Best and Greatest, Iuno, Minerva,Concordia,All Gods Immortal by whathever name I may call you:if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this incense and wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]
> - I offered incense on the altar and poured a libation on the altar.
>
> MARS NOS PROTEGE!
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> MARS NOS CONSERVA!!
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> MARS NOS GLORIFICA!!!
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> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus,
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Rich <wielgosz@...> wrote:

 Perhaps a better name for the second group would be "Cloaca Maxima."

 :-)

<VBG> Why not indeed. After all it was essential for the health of Rome.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus wrote:
> Salve Segestamili!
>
> What's your name?
>

Perhaps a few useful additions to the requirements for joining the
Nova Roma list would be what I have for the large Religio
Septentrionalis list I "own."

All subscritions must be approved by the moderators (been here so
long, I do not know if that is the case). If approved, there is no
moderation, until earned. This trust has not been badly abused; only
3 bannings since December 2001 and very few formally put into
moderation status.

We will NOT enroll anyone who has an anonymous profile for the email
address that they wish to subscribe under.

UNLESS, they are willing to send an introductory letter to the
moderation team for the list: who are you, are you Heathen, state or
country of residence, any Heathen affiliations, how did you come
across the list...questions to help us determine whether or not the
person requesting a subscription has a chance of belonging.

On our front page we note that no one is due a place on the list, it
must be earned with every post.

Several (out of hundreds) have been "dumped" and quite a few others
just slipped out the side door.

It's like a self-pruning bush, to which the gardener needs only take a
very occasional snip of the clippers.

Perhaps the Praetors can look at the subscribers who are not Citizens
or Probationary Citizens and contact each A Nonius Mus Peregrinus for
further information.

If one is bold enough to "speak up here," one should be courteous
enough to let the other list members know who they are.

=====================================
In amicitia et fide - Publius Ullerius Stephanus Venator

alias Steven P Robinson, a resident of Winnebago County, Illinois

> In one word: something has to be done. We need VERY strict
> moderation, in a list that is our public face online.
>
> And we need another list, where internal political debates are continued.
>
> What do you think, conules and praetores?

> All subscritions must be approved by the moderators (been here so
> long, I do not know if that is the case).

> If approved, there is no
> moderation, until earned. This trust has not been badly abused; only
> 3 bannings since December 2001 and very few formally put into
> moderation status.

> We will NOT enroll anyone who has an anonymous profile for the email
> address that they wish to subscribe under.

> On our front page we note that no one is due a place on the list, it
> must be earned with every post.

> Several (out of hundreds) have been "dumped" and quite a few others
> just slipped out the side door.

>
> Caelius Ullerio s.p.d.
>
>
> By Sunday, the 72-hour window for intercessio will have passed.

>

> --
> Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
> http://becomingnewthroughtheold.blogspot.com
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>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> <cn.caelius@> wrote:
> >
> > Caelius Ullerio s.p.d.
> >
> >
> > By Sunday, the 72-hour window for intercessio will have

> Any information that you can give me now would be appreciated.
> >
>
> Nr was not following the "by laws of the corp NR inc"
> so to sue to get the Corp to following it's own rules is something

> can do.
> if you want more info on this go sign up on the BA list ( none -
> officul list) lots more info on this and others things about who

> NR why things happen etc..
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> > Gnaeus Caelius Ahenobarbus
> > Lictor Curiatus, Accensus Consulum, et Scriba Aedilis Curulis
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